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Menteri Perusahaan Utama; dibaca kali yang dan Sarawak dan juga pindaan-pindaan yang pertama; al
Ccnirts or the Judl!es.� but through� le �1::! islative tion or citizenship on acquisition or exercise amendments. or foreign citizenship, dan begitu juga Article 25 pecahan I (a) dan (2) berkenaan dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak berniat deprivation juga. Ini berkaitan dengan hendak mcnghuraikan dan menerangkan ncgara-negara yang bukan di dalam (Dengan izin) Tuan Speaker, we have been thinking of the integration of Federal very concerned over the lack of Departments in those States with those in accountability of some Government- Peninsular Malaysia. Discussions and sponsored agencies which bas resulted in a negotiation had been going on over a number lack of proper control and supervision being of months, and all amendments which are exercised over the expenditure of certain included in the Bill have been the result of bodies. When the Government had a look at agreement achieved between the Central the situation, it decided that something Government and the Governments of the should be done as regards supervision and States of Sabab and Sarawak. control over expenditure. At the moment the Auditor-General has no power whatsoever to I may also add, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. that audit the accounts of these statutory bodies some of the amendments which have been and agencies and it is proposed that the suggested in the draft Bill require consultation auditing of these should be done by the with and approval of the Conference of Auditor-General as well. Rulers. All these have been done, and I am very glad to inform this House that all the As regards Article 111 (2)-this will be of proposals have been very carefully interest to State Governments-this is the considered by the State Governments and Article with regard to the restriction on through the State Governments by the borrowing by State Governments. The Conference of Rulers in so far as they affect intention of the amendment is to relax the the rights and jurisdiction of the Conference restrictive provision which is at the moment of Rulers. existent in the Constitution with regard to borrowing by State Governments which can There is another suggestion for amendment only : which is in Part XI, i.e. Special powers (i) borrow from a bank approved by the against subversion, and emergency powers. Federal Government; and This is with· regard to Article ISi (I) (b) with regard to restriction on preventive detention. (ii) borrow only for a period of not more than twelve months. There are also other provisions which p:cvi That is the present provision in the Constitu affect the interpretation of the J!Cneral 160 tion. Now, we feel that in view of the sion in Article of the Constitution. developments that going on in the various In addition to these, as a result of the States and in view of the financial require various amendments, certain Schedules will ments of those States being increased from have to be amended, i.e. the Eighth Schedule time to time, it is thought advisable to and the Ninth Schedule. As regards the reconsider this restrictive provision and to Ninth Schedule, there are four Lists there relax it somewhat so as to enable the States List I concerns the Federal List; List llA is to borrow not only from the banks but also supplement to the State List for the Borneo to borrow from other financial resources as a States, i.e. Sabah and Sarawak; and also List approved by the Central Government. This, III which is the Concurrent List. as I have said, is of interest and importance to the State Governments. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebagaimana yang There are other provisions which I will saya cakapkan tadi, saya tidak bertujuan only touch on lightly. These provisions affect hendak menghuraikan dengan panjang lebar Part IX of the Constitution, i.e., The Judiciary sebab-sebab dicadangkan pindaan-pindaan with regard to the constitution of the High sebagaimana yang terkandung dalam Rang Court, the number of Judges and how Judges Undang-undang ini. Saya akan mengikuti are to be appointed or their numbers are to perbahasan-perbahasan yang akan dijalankan ini. be increased, and so on. These are all selepas saya mengemukakan cadangan provided in Articles 122 to 128. dan tentulah Ahli-ahli Yang Berhorrnat akan membangkitkan beberapa perkara dan me 1be next Part is with regard to the Public minta penjelasan atau boleh jadi salab fabam Services. In this respect Honourable Members tujuan dan maksud sesuatu cadangan will be aware that over many months there pindaan yang diperbuat di dalam Rang have been discussions with the States of Undang-undang ini dan bila saya meng Sabab and Sarawak with a view to start gulungkan perbabasan ini kelak, saya akan 2037 12 JULAI 1976 2038 cuba memberi penjelasan seberapa yang Tuan Um Kit Siang: Tuan Yang di boleh alas perkara-perkara yang dibangkit Pertua, Dewan Rakyat sekarang adalah di kan oleh Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat sekelian. minta untuk meluluskan sekumpulan pindaan terhadap Perlembagaan Persekutuan, dan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon men kali ini adalah berjumlah 19 halaman cadangkan. sebagaimana yang tercatit dalam Rang Undang-undang (Pindaan) Perlembagaan Menteri Buruh dan Tenaga Rakyat (Datuk yang terdiri daripada 48 Clauses. Lee San Choon): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menyokong. Barangkali Perlembagaan Persekutuan Malaysia merupakan salah satu Per Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Dewan ditempoh lembagaan yang terbanyak sekali diadakan kan selama 15 minit. pindaan di dunia ini. Dari pengiraan secara kasar. sejak kemerdekaan pada 1957. Per Persidangan ditempohkan pada pukul 4.05 petang. lerubagaan Persekutuan ini telahpun dipinda lebih kurang 1.000 kali dan dalam Rang Persidangan disambung semula pada pukul llndang-undang ini ada lebih 60 tempat 4.35 petang. pindaan. P..::rlemhagaan Persekutuan ini merupakan (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan satu llndang-undang asas negara kita dan Mesyuarat) tidak seharusnya dianggap sebagai undang Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli-ahli Yang undang yang biasa dan dipinda dengan sesuka hati dan kehendak Kerajaan yang Berhormat, suatu Rang Undang-undang bernama Suatu Akta bagi meminda Per memerintah sungguhpun saya bersetuju lembagaan Persekutuan telah dikemukakan bahawa Pe rlembagaan ini satu current and untuk bacaan kali kedua telah disokong dan living document. sekarang ini terbuka untuk dibahas. Apa yang dibangkang dan yang tidak Menurut Jadual yang kita telah cadangkan. boleh dipersetujui ialah Rang Undang kita hendak tamatkan perbahasan dan men undang (Pindaan) Perlembagaan 1976 ini dapatkan keputusan di alas Rang llndang adalah diperuntukkan untuk meminda undang ini pada hari esok. Jadi. saya minta Bahagian II dari Perlerubagaan yang ter lah Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat jika ada maktub fundamental liberties yang sekarang cadangan hendak membuat apa-apa teguran dinikmati oleh semua rakyat Malaysia. Di atau ucapan minta tolong pendekkan. Saya antara pindaan-pindaan yang baharu di syorkan sebagai Ketua Pcmbangkang diberi bentangkan ada satu pindaan kepada Article masa lcbih kurang setengah jam dan Ahli 5 (4) di mana sekarang ada diperuntukkan ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain diberi lebih seorang yang ditahan dalam tempoh 24 jam kurang 20 minit. mesti dibav."a ke hadapan magistrate tetapi sekarang ada satu proviso dicadangkan : 4.36 pig. "Provided that this Clause shall not apply to the arrest or detention of any Tuan Lim Kit Siang (Kola Melaka): Tuan person under the existing law which makes Yan!! di-Pertua, oleh kerana naskah saheh no provision for the production of such dalain bahasa lnggeris dan juga istilah-istilah person before a magistrate. and all the LT ndang-undang. saya minta izin ..... provi�ions of this Clause shall be deemed to have been an integral part of this Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Yang Berhormat Article as from Merdeka Day." bolehlah campur-campurkan tetapi janganlah membuat ucapan dalam bahasa lnggeris Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebelum itu saya suka sahaja sebab naskah saheh dalam bahasa cita bahawa oleh kerana desakan public lnggeris bolehlah rujukkan kepada Rang opinion niat Kerajaan mula-mulanya untuk llndang-undang ini dalam bahasa Inggeris meminda Article 5 (3) telah ditarik balik dan dan jika sekiranya ada apa-apa perkataan tidak ada pindaan untuk mengenepikan hak teknikal yang payah hendak disebut dalam hak seseorang tahanan untuk Counsel dan Bahasa Kebangsaan boleh diizinkan Ahii "to be informed as soon as may be of the ahli Yang Berhormat menyebut dalam grounds of his arrest". Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahasa Inggeris. Silakan. tetapi pindaan kepada Article 5 (4) ini ialah 2039 12 JULAI 1976 2040 satu pindaan yang sangat serious yang akan Tuan Pengerusi, 20 tahun selepas Merdeta. menafikan hak-hak asasi orang-orang yang these "vague apprehensions about the berkenaan. Sebab itu kita mesti timbang future", to use the word of the Reid Commis· sion, discounted by the Commission have dengan mendalam atas perkara ini, Tuan come to pass, and fundamental rights which Yang di-Pertua. the people had enjoyed, even in the worst days cf the 1948-1961 Emergency, are being (Dengan izin) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, with removed despite the fact that it has been the amendment of this particular provision, guaranteed in the Constitution. it will remove with one stroke of the pen an essential safeguard and check against Is this an admission that the security arbitrary exercise of power by the Executive situation faced by Malaysia is or is likely to and in particular by the Police Force making be even more challenging, bleak and grim Malaysian citizens even more naked and than during the first 1948-1960 Emergency, helpless in the face of Police abuse of arrest as to justify such curtailment of fundamental and detention powers which are becoming rights, which were respected and honoured in more and more frequent. earlier emergencies? The increasingly serious security situation Go;..\�rnment leaders. in particular, the can be no justification for this Constitutional Honourable Deputy Prime Minister, have Amendment which derogates from Malay used as one of the recurrent themes the things sians their fundamental rights as enshrined in that Malaysians will Jose should the the Federal Constitution. We should not communists come to power in Malaysia, forget that the Federal Constitution was especially freedom and liberties of the drawn up and promulgated at a time when individual. the country was faced with an existing emergency in the form of a communist Now, these fundamental liberties of insurgency. Malaysians are themselves being tampered with by the Government. What then are the At that time, the Constitution defined and guaranteed certain fundamental individual fundamental liberties Malaysians will lose if rights because they were generally regarded the communists come to power in Malaysia, as essential conditions for a free and especially as the Government keeps to its democratic way of life and, even more past practice of whittling away by piecemeal importan� these fundamental individual legislation of such enshrined liberties. rights were the distinguishing marks which the Government asked the people, the The Government and Parliament must Malayans and subsequently the Malaysians, weigh seriously the question posed by the Bar to rally round and defend and to protect and Council when it stated its opposition to any distinguish it from the system of government modifications to Article 5, and I quote, Tuan which the communist wanted to establish. Yang di-Pertua : In fact, the Constitutional Commission in "One basic difference distinguishes those 1957 stated, and I quote: who are Joyal to this country from those "The rights which we recommend should who are bent on overthrowing it; and that be defined and guaranteed are all firmly is, the former have respect for the law. But established now throughout Malaya and it harsh and unjust laws cannot command may seem unnecessary to give them special respect willingly; and a law which treats protection in the Constitution. But we have persons who may have committed ordinary found in certain quarters vague apprehen crimes in the same way as it does sions about the future. We believe such communist terrorists cannot be a good apprehensions to be unfounded, but there law. What distinguishes our system of can be no objection to guaranteeing these government from that advocated by our rights subject to limited exceptions in adversaries is the fundamental rights conditions of emergency and we protected by the Constitution. Are these recommend that this should be done." not what we are fighting for?" 2041 12 JULAI 1976 2042 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, the purpose of This amendment in fact will give a further enshrining fundamental rights in the Consti spurt and stimulus to an irresponsible group tution is to ensure that the govcrnn1ent of police officers who often take the law into recognised by the Constitution is a govern· their own hands. Only on 24th May in Kuala ment of laws and not a government of men. Lumpur at about 10 a.m., a 19 years old odd job labourer. Arumugam s/ o A Venga da Even at present, notwithstanding the salam. l.C. 8254725 staying with his parents provi�ions of Article 5 of the Constitution. al Jalan Cheras Municipal Quarters, was there have been many cases of persons taken to J a Ian Chcras Police Station as a arrested under the Restricted Residence susnccted drug addict. He \\.'as assaulted by Enactment who have been detained fl1r a police officers in the police lock-up until he con-.i (2) the Government has consistently shown Let me quote from the Honourable little respect and a lot of contempt for Attorney General when winding up his the Rule of Law, disregarding speech on the 1971 Constitution (Amend Constitutional safeguards and provi ment) Bill in the Senate on March 9, 1971. sions operating as if in Malaysia there I quote in English : is a government of men rather than a "Mr President, Sir, allow me to explain governn1ent of la\\'S. Parliament should what I have said for the interest of all in not be asked to legalise past Govern this House who might be involved later on. ment illegalities and regularise past I hope such an incident will never occur in irregularities unless and until Parlia this House. For instance, the law which ment is informed of the catalogue of forbiJs the questioning of any of the the illegalities and the irregularities provisions in Section Ill, i.e. citizenship. that have been committed under each Although it may sound short and simple, head, and an oppo:-tunity to v.'�igh the in actual fact there are three parts to it, magnitude and enorn1ity lif such i.e . Part One. attainment of citizenship : illegalities and irregularities. ln fact, Part Two, tern1ination of citizenship and retrospective legislation is so obnoxious Part Three, Extension. Section 111 contains that there should be a special Parlia 17 items and all are protected. This means mentary procedure requiring the all terms and conditions for obtaining Government to make a full and frank citizenship and for terminating one's disclosure of the illegal or irregular acts citizen�hip by the Government as enshrine the 65 for the amendment of one of entrenched This is also why Article of the Constitu. clauses or voting in support for such an tion provided .the safeguards for an amendment as both constitutes a questioning independent Clerk. Thus Article 65 provides of one of the entrenched, sensitive clauses. that the Clerk shall be appointed by His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong an If Part III of the Constitution on citizen d shall hold office until he attains the age of 60 ship can be amended as it is presently years or such other age as Parliament may by proposed, then it is also possible for the law provide, unless he sooner resigns his Government, or for any Member of Parlia office. The Clerk may be removed from ment by way of Private Member's :Sill, to office on the like grounds and in the like amend or propose amendment not only to manner as a judge of the Federal Court on Part III of the Constitution, but also to a representation made by the Speaker of the Article 152, Article 153 and Article 181 House. It is now proposed to bring in an explain both inside and outSide the Dewan amendment which will enable the appoint· Rakyat why such amendments are necessary. ment of a Clerk from amongst the members If this view is wrong, is contested, then it can of the public service for short periods, or in only mean tliat out of the four entrenched other words, on secondment, and to give subjects, Part III is less entrenched than the retrospective effect to this amendment to other three entrenched clauses, so that Part Merdeka Day. This amendment will destroy III of the Constitution on citizenship can be the whole principle of an autonomous further amended with regard to the terms of Parliamentary Service which is answerable acquisition and termination of citizenship only to Parliament and not to the Govern while the other entrenched subjects are ment of the day. The Government had many immune to any amendment. I hope the times violated Article 65 of the Constitution Honourable the Prime Minister will make a in appointing public service officers to the clear statement on this when he winds up the post of Clerk of the House on secondment, debate tomorrow. The question that must be and now Parliament is asked to regularise all answered is how do you amend any one of these past irregularities. The Clerk should be the entrenched clauses, without at the same appointed from the Parliamentary Service, or time, questioning the present entrenched if he is appointed from the public service, he provisions, and therefore contravening the should cut all ties with the public service and law which prohibits any questioning of any be the sole servant of the House. No clerk one of the entrenched issues. I am aware that who is the servant of two Masters, namely there is provision for the amendment of the Parliament and the Government to whom he entrenched clauses-two-thirds majority and is to return at the end of his secondment, can with the consent of the Conference of properly discharge his responsibilities as Rulers-but the question is how do you Parliament's principal executive. amend without questioning these entrenched issues and what is there to stop tomorrow or Clause 30 of the Bill seeking to amend day after somebody from lodging a complaint Article 135 will create not only insecurity of at the Police Station that an offence of tenure, but expose officers of the public sedition has been committed? service to unscrupulous yictimisation and .. McCarthyite-type" of per�ecutions. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I am opposed to Clause 17 of the Bill which seeks to amend Article 135 (2) of the Constitution provides Article 65 of the Constitution governing the that "No Member of such a service as appointment of the Clerks of Senate and aforesaid shall be dismissed or reduced in Dewan Rakyat. It is one of the fundamental rank without being given a reasonable pre-conditions of an independent Parliament, opportunity of being heard". The services which is not to be a subservient creature of referred to are spelled out in Article 132 of the government of the day but, on the the Co nstitution and the Government is now contrary, its master, that there should be an proposing to amend this Clause to enable the independent Clerk, whose appointment and dismissal or reduction in rank without giving tenure of office are not dependent on the the public servant a reasonable opportunity whims and fancies of the government of the of being heard, in four specified circum· day and subject to Government pressure. stances. What is most important is the fourth This is why the Parliamentary Service is a circumstances where a public servant will not completely autonomous and closed service. be given an opportunity to be heard for 2(;.,9 12 JULAI 1976 2050 dismissal and reduction in rank where he has may allow. This is a provisions to allow the had an order of detention, supervision, Advisory Board to take one or two years to restricted residence, banishment or deporta· consider a representation by a detainee. tion made against him under any law relating to the security of the Federation, The Advisory ,Board is generally regarded prevention of crime, preventive detention, as a show-piece without real meaningful restricted residence, banishment, immigration, powers or influence. It has not been known to or protection of women and girls of where effect the release of detainees who had been there has been imposed on such a member wrongfully detained. Even in the rare cases any form of restriction or supervision by where the Advisory Board recommended that bond under any of the above-mentioned there were no good grounds for the detention laws. of a person, as in the case of Datuk James Wong of SNAP, the release was eventually It is public knowledge, Tuan Yang di made, not on the recommendations of the Pertua, that many persons have been falsely Advisory Board which were at that time detained or placed under supervision or rejected, but based on political considerations restricted residence, and that the Police who of getting the SNAP into the Barisan caused such detention, supervision or Nasional. If the Advisory Board is to serve restricted residence do not have to give valid any useful purpose, then a detainee must have reasons as whatever reasons they give cannot a right to know what recommendations it has be challenged in a court of law. Tbs means made to the Yang di-Pertuan Agong after public servant can be dismissed without a consideration of his representation. good and proper cause, by means of serving upon him an order of detention, supervision Article 151 in puporting to provide or restricted residence. This makes not only restrictions on preventive detention by the a mockery of the Rule of Law but introduces constitution of an Advisory Board, has failed a most dangerous principle affecting questions completely to provide a proper check and of security and stability of tenure in the control on the abuses of powers of detention public service. without trial. I would call on the Government Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Clause 40 of the Bill to abolish all laws which permit detention amends Article 151 of the Constitution, without trial, so as to put an end to the gross Article 151 (2) provides that "where any law abuses of such detention powers by Police or ordinance made or promulgated provides officers. for preventive detention", namely Internal Security Act, Prevention of Crime Ordinance. Under the new amendments, the Governors "no citizen shall be detained under that law of Malacca and Penang will now be known or ordinance for a period exceeding three as Yang di-Pertua Negeri respectively. In months unless an advisory board (appointed this connection, I want to remind the by His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong) Government to honour the Merdeka under has considered any representations made by standing that in the case of Malacca, the high him and made recommendations thereon to posts of Malacca Chief Minister and the the Yang di-Pertuan Agong". This means Governor would be alternated between a that the Advisory Board must consider any Malaysian Chinese and a Malay. The former representations made by a detainee against Prime Minister AUahyarham Tun Razak when allegations for his detention and make moving the 1971 Constitution Amendment recommendations to the Yang di·Pertuan Bill spoke of the "careful and balanced Agong within three months' of detention. character of the Constitution which was so This is now amended to extend the time to painstakingly negotiated and agreed upon by allow the Advisory Board more leisurely the major races in Malaysia before we pace to consider representations, although attained independence". This understanding, fundamental rights to liberty are involved. both in letter and spirit, explicit and implicit, Under the proposed new Article 151 (1) (b) must be honoured. In Malacca, this under the Advisory Board is required to consider standing has not been observed. In fact. we representations not within three months of have at present the sorry spectacle in Malacca the detention but within three months of of the President of the Malacca Municipality receiving such representations, or within such who is also the M.C.A. Malacca President, longer period as the Yang di-Pertuan Agong Datuk Tan Cheng Swee, desperately clinging - 2051 12 JULAI 1976 2052 to his post of. Malacca Municipal Commis Tuan Yang di-Pertua, as a developing sioner although he has been abused, disgraced country we are well aware that the question and condemned by every UMNO branch. of fundamental liberties is very important. Thus it is that right at the beginning of our In conclusion, the D.A.P. cannot support Constitution, Part II of the Constitution deals the present batch of amendments because with Fundamental Liberties. This shows that they constitute : Mr Speaker, Sir. our founding fathers and the people who wrote the Constitution saw (1) Serious erosion of fundamental liberties the importance of fundamental liberties. of Malaysians. (2) Negates the Rule of Law by providing If the majority of our people regard our for unjustifiable retrospective legisla Federal Constitution as the cornerstone on tion. which rests the hopes and future of the country, then it would be true to say that they While we support some of the amendments, regard the fundamental liberties as are like Clauses 26 and 27 to increase the number enshrined in the Constitution as the bedrock of Federal judges and High Court judges to on which the hopes and aspirations of the deal with the backlog of cases, so that justice people not only of our generation but also is speeded up, as justice delayed is justice for generations yet unborn are reposited. denied, and for instance Clause 106 to give expanded powers to the Auditor-General to Mr Speaker, Sir, out of the holocaust Of. audit accounts of statutory boards and World War II was born the Universal agencies, we cannot accept the Bill because Declaration of Human Rights which have the other amendments involved even more been adopted by the United Nations. important principles on which the continued Malaysia is a member nation of the United survival of Malaysia as a democratic nation Nations and has ratified the Universal depends. Declaration of Human Rights and, as I have mentioned before. these are now enshrined in our Constitution. 5.03 pig. Mr Speaker. Sir. all men are born free and Dr Tan Chee J\.hoon (Kepong): Tuan fundamental and basic human rights are Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untuk meng regarded as essential conditions for a free and ambil bahagian dalam Rang Undang-undang democratic wav of life. Just now the Member yang dikemukakan oleh Yang Amat Ber for Kota Mela.ka made a quotation from the hormat Perdana Menteri dan di samping itu. Reid Commission. The Reid Commission Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon izin reiterated time and again the importance of bercakap dalam bahasa lnggeris juga. fundamental liberties, but nevertheless, saw the point of making restrictive laws to protect Tuan Yang di-Patua: Ya, boleh. the safety of the country and had made provision in Article 149 to cope with any emergencies. Dr Tan Chee Khoon: (Deni:an izin) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, the founding fathers of our Tuan Yang di-Pertua. it is very sad for me Constitution took great care and spent a to say in this House that first Malaya and great deal of time in drawing up our later Malaysia has known very little freedom Constitution. Suruhanjaya Reid yang since World War IL Thus during the First anggotanya terdiri dari jurists yang termahir. Emergency we had the Emergency Regula dan terkenal daripada berbagai negara dalam tions which sanctioned arbitrary detention Commonwealth. They saw to it that the where those detained were denied the writ of checks and balances. as between the habeas corpus and Malaya looked like a vast Executive, as represented by the Cabinet and concentration camp. Then when the the Civil Service, the Legislative, as Emergency was deemed to be over, Mr represented by Parliament. and the Judiciary Speaker, Sir, and the threat of communism are carefully balanced. Mr Speaker. Sir, was deemed to be over. we had the ISA. i.e. under the Constitutional amendment. the Internal Security Act, when all the unfortunately, as I shall presently show this loopholes in the Emergency Regulations were delicate balance is now being upset. plugged up and new screws were applied to 2053 12 JULAI 1976 2054 curb fundamental liberties. Since then the institutional violence in order to crush Government bas passed one repressive dissent and deprive the people of their legislation after another and this greatly freedom creates an explosive situation for restricted fundamental liberties. The Govern any State." ment bas even gone to the extent of gazetting the Essential (Security Cases) Regulations The Conference also calls upon the without the need of coming to this House for peoples and upon the governments in our approval. For tunately, because of protests region to prepare the way towards the made by the Bar Council and by Members creation of a truly just and humane society of the Opposition and by others as well, it by : bad given us permission to debate the "Working for the ratification of the Essential (Security cases) Regulations. Mr United Nations International Covenants Speaker, Sir, thus we can see that the lights on Human Rights and, wherever these of democracy in this country are being Covenants are ratified, to ensure the dimmed one after another and slowly but implementation of their provisions in the surely we are degenerating into a police state life of each country and the introduction without our knowing it. Indeed many inside of the necessary legislation for the and outside this country have stated that we protection of human rights." are already a police state without our knowing it. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, malangnya kita tiada ratify ketiga-tiga United Nations' Mr Speaker, Sir, in this House time and International Covenants on Human Rights. again I have stated that we became a fr ee country since 1957, and that we are a nascent I shall now, Mr Speaker, Sir, refer to the democracy. As such, I have stated before in amendments that are being brought by the this House, and I re iterate it again today, Mr Government again today. Speaker, Sir, that it behoves all of us whether the Government or the Opposition to nurture Clauses (3) and (4) of Article 5 of our and nourish this tender plant known as Constitution reads : democracy so that in the fullness of time it "(3) Where a person is arrested be shall be will take deep roots and bloom forth and informed as soon as may be of the grounds withstand the bulleting to which it is sure to of his arrest and shall be allowed to consult be subjected. and be defended by a legal practitioner of Mr Speaker, Sir, unfortunately the Barisan his choice." Nasional Government has been making "(4) Where a person is arrested and not greater and greater inroads into human released he shall without unreasonable rights and has sought to institutionalise them delay, and in any case within twenty-four through their passage in this House and thus hours (excluding the time of any necessary mask their repression with a cloak of legal journey) be produced before a magistrate propriety and respectability. But I must warn and shall not be further detained in the Government that this will not fool anyone custody without the magistrate's and I must urge the Government to think authority." before it is too late. Mr Speaker. Sir, recently I attended the In Article 5 of the Constitution, these two first Pacific Regional Co nference on Human rights are denied to the enemy aJiens. But Rights organised by the Amnesty Inter now Clause 4 of the Co nstitutional amend national held at Tozanso, Japan. And, with ment that is before us now seeks to extend your permission, Mr Speaker, Sir, I shall this denial to citizens. This, Mr Speaker, Sir, quote a short excerpt from the Declaration will make a mockery of the fundaniental that was drawn up : human rights that are enshrined in our Constitution, and I shall touch a little later "The Conference maintains that the use on the amendment proposed in Clause 4. of such repressive measures for the curtail ment of basic human rights creates a Mr Speaker. Sir. to put it in layman's situation in which the use of violence by language, this amendment seeks to withdraw the oppressed becomes inevitable and from citizens their basic rights to be believes that the consistent resort to represented by a counsel of their choice, to 20SS 12 1ULAI 1976 20S6 know the reason of their arrest and to who arc in the Opposition will understand production before a magistrate within what this new amendment is. However, I am twenty-four hours of their arresL assured by a few friends of mine in the Barisan Nasional that it means that virtually This is a terrible piece of legislation Clauses (3) and (4) of Article S remain unworthy of any nation and worthy civilised intact, and to that extent, Mr Speaker, Sir, I of an authoritarian regime which represses its think not only I but the whofe country is people and where all fundamental liberties reassured. are denied to the people. Why does the Government seek this vast Mr Speaker, Sir, one of our fundamental power when under the legislation that is in liberties is the freedom to practise one's the Statute Book it has all the powers that it faith. I charge the Government with making needs to crush any threat of communist a serious inroad into the freedom of religion insurgency ? by amending Clause (2) of Article 12 with the new Clause (2). Let me quote the original Mr Speaker, Sir, arbitrary detention with Clause (2) of Article 12. It reads, and I out trial in a court of law is bad enough. But quote : Clause 4 of the amendments which proposes "Every religious group has the right to to withdraw fundamental rights from persoas establish and maintain institutions for the arrested, detained or placed under restricted residence in order to prevent them not only education of children and provide therein from being represented by counsel of their instruction in its own religion . . ..." choice but also from knowing the reasons ot their arrest, must surely take the cake. Under When one compares this with the new the Emergency Regulations of 1948-1960, Clause (2) of Article 12 contained in Oau5' and the Internal Security Act after that, as 6 of these amendments, it will be seen that I have always stated, the detainee was the words, "and provide therein instruction" lighting an unseen accuser. But at least he have been omitted. I sincerely hope that this was being represented by counsel and he is an inadvertent omission. If it is deliberately knew the reasons for his detention. done, then it is a serious infringement of the freedom of religion. I hope that the Prime But under this proposed amendment, our Minister will clarify t!Ms when he comes to benevolent (sic) Barisan Nasional Govern wind up the debate with regard to Clause 6 ment has denied the detainee his rights to of the amendments, which is not so simple counsel and the reasons of his detention. In as it looks or purports. the name of God, what is the Government up to? This is what I mean when I say that the But if it is a deliberate omission and the Government has institutionalised terror and Prime Minister refuses to restore the words repression. In all solemnity, I urge the I have referred, i.e. "and provide therein Government to withdraw this amendment instruction". then I wish to ask the Prime before it alienates the whole population of Minister if he is aware that failure to provide this country. instruction in one's faith may well turn one's children into atheists and communists? Is Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government, I that the intention of the Prime Minister? Or am glad. has seen it fit to withdraw-I hope is it the intention of the Prime Minister that that is the meaning of it-this amendment Islam only should flourish in this country and and table another amendment as a tail-end that the other great religions in this country to Clause (4) of Article 5. As I read it, and i.e. Christianity. Buddhism, Hinduism, here I stand corrected, this means that Confucianism: etc-should all wither away Clause (3) of Article 5 remains as it is and in this country through lack of instruction� it merely amends a little bit of Clause (41. This is a very serious matter and I hope the although, frankly, I do not know. I hav� Prime Minister will clarify this omission. read the amendment that is tabled today several times and I must admit that it has not Mr Speaker. Sir, Clauses 26 and 27 provide sunk in, and I hope that the Prime Minister, for the alteration in the number of 1udges of when he comes to the Committee Stage, will the Federal Court and the High Court by the explain in great detail, in layman's language, Yang di-Pertuan Agong instead of by so that those of us on this side of the House Parliament. 2057 12 JULAI 1976 2058 I maintain that this is a serious breach of impact of these amendments and the Bar the delicate balance between the Executive, Council up to today, I am told, has not been the Judiciary and the Legislative Branches of given a copy of this Bill for it to study. the Government that now exists between them. These checks and balances have been Mr Speaker, Sir, these amendments are the carefully worked out and have worked well largest batch of Constitutional amendments in the past. What, then, is the necessity for that haw been brought to this House. These this change'! amendments touch on many aspects of human endeavour in this country. While I We are a Constitutional Monarchy, Mr agree with some of them, many of them I do Speaker, Sir, and it follows that the Yang not agree. Many of them, I do confess di-Pertuan Agong must follow the advice of although I can understand them, I do not the Prime Minister of the day. Hence if the know the imp-dct of them, and the reason is Prime Minister wishes to pack the Federal very simple, Mr Speaker, Sir. These amend Court or the High Court all that he needs to ments have been given to, I think, Members do is to mention this to the Yang di-Pertuan of Parliament since the 5th of July, if I am Agong and the latter will have to comply. not mistaken, which means that those of us And Parliament will have lost one of its who are in this country since the 5th of July cherished rights. But why is the Government had to try and study these amendments, in so powe r-hungry that it must interfere with addition to taking part in the various debates judicial appointments as well? in this House, and in additon to taking part in the various cocktails that were abundant Mr Speaker, Sir, I cannot too greatly in this Capital City, with the result that many emphasise that in this country the last hope of us had very little time left. I myself must of the citizens of this country, despite all the confess that I had only time to read these rep ressive laws that the Government may amendments on last Friday and Saturday provide, is the Judiciary and if the Govern nights and thinking about it on Sunday. ment now seeks to take away from Parlia ment the right to increase the number of Tuan (limbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Judges and give this right virtually to itself, Yang Berhormat ada dua minit lagi ! then I say this is a great breach in the delicate balance that rests between the three Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Yes. Mr Spe1ker, branches of the Government. namely, the Sir, hence the Government shoud gi\c us Executive, the Judiciary and the Legislature. � adequate time. Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government says that Now. one thing that I oppose also is the it respects the Rule of Law and that thes� retrospective powers that have been given in changes are necessary for it to light militant four of these amendments. This retrospective communism. But does the Government effect to any legislation is very bad and I do realise that by institutionalising repression 1t urge the Government to use such powers very has brought the law into disrepute and sparingly. disrespect and makes it very much easier for those who want to subvert the Constitution Unde·r Article 149 of the Constitution, the to do so? Government has the power to pass any Does the Government realise too that in legislation to contain any atte111pt to subvert many respects the cure is worse than the the country. Thus, it has passed the Internal disease. Security Act and other Emergency Regula tions so that it has got all the powers that is Mr Speaker, Sir, any amendment to our necessary for it to deal with any emergency Constitution is a very serious matter. I have, situation. But why then is it so power in the past, maintained that adequate time hungry that it is now power-drunk? should be given to all the people of this country to study any Constitutional amem.1- Let me remind the Government that all ment. In particular, the Government should power corrupts and absolute power corrupts give an opportunity to the Bar Council to absolutely. Let it not be said that the country study the amendments and to offer its views has not been warned. Mr Speaker_ Sir, in on them. I regret to say that enough time has conclusion, I wish to move that this Bill, not been given to the people to study the because of the shortness of time that bas been 2059 12 JULAI 1976 allowed to the country and to those of us in Suruhanjaya Perlcmbagaan sebapi con this House to study it. be referred to a Select stitutional guarantees. Ini ialah satu perlcan Committee. yang diiktiraf, diakui oleh seluruh dunia bebas masyarakat antarabangsa. Apabila Tuan (llmbalao) Y1111g di-Pertua: Ahli Suruhanjaya Perlembagaan ini diadabn. Yang Berhormat dari Permatang Pauh. timbul satu perkara sehingga perkara ini tidak akan dimasukkan di dalam Perlem Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir, I bagaan kerana hak ini telah diakui. Tetapi have moved that this Bill be referred to a walau bagaimanapun, olch sebab ada Select Committee. keraguan, maka perkara ini dijadikan satu daripada Article dalam Perlcmbagaan. TWiii (llmblllllll) Ylllll dl-Pertna: You have got to give notice for moving such a Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin sekali motion. (Kepada Tuan Ariffin bin Haji sekala berucap dalam bahasa Inggeris. Daud) Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Permatang Pauh ! Tuan (Tun balan) Yq dl-Pertua: Diizin kan. jika perlu. 5.25 pig. Tuan Arlllln bin Hajl Daucl: Tuan Arlllln bin Haji DalMI (Pmnatana Saya ingin membaca di sini apa yang disebutkan oleb Pauh): Tuan Yang di-Pcrtua, saya juga ingin Suruhanjaya Perlembagaan iaitu : mengambil bahagian dalam perbahasan Rang Undang-undang Perlembagaan Pe rsekutuan (Dengan izin) These rights How from the (Pindaan) yang telah dibawa oleh Yang recommendations of the Constitutional Amat Bcrhormat Perdana Menteri. Commission which observe that the rights "arc all firmly established in Malaya and Saya menyokong Article I, Clause 2 di it ma seem unnecessary to give them dalam pindaan ini kerana dengan adanya speciar protection in the Constitution, but maka pindaan ini sekarang tidaklah dapat we have found in certain quarters vague satu negeri luar dalam negara Malaysia iaitu apprehensions about the future. We believe a foreign country in Malaysia kerana dengan such apprehensions to be unfounded, but dipindanya Undang-undang ini maka Sabah there can be no objection to guaranteeing dan Sarawak juga termasuk atau tertakluk these rights subject to limited exceptions in kcpada Perlembagaan ini, dan ini ialah satu conditions of emergency, and we perkara yang baik. recommend that this should be done. Lagi satu perkara yang saya ingin mcnarik perhatian ialah berkaitan dengan Clause 8 The guarantee afforded by the Constitu dalmn pindaan ini iaitu pindaan kcpada tion is the supremacy of the law and the Article 25. Ini juga satu pindaan yang baik, power and duty of the Court to enforce kcrana sebclum ini bcrkaitan dengan ke these rights and to annul any attempt to rakyatan negcri-negcri Komenwcl dan subvert any of them, whether by legislative Republic of Ireland tidak termasuk dalam or administrative actions or otherwise." foreign country. J adi dengan adanya pindaan ini maka negara-negara ini sekarang ialah Ini ialah pendapat Surumnjaya Perlcm bagaan ketika mengubalkan Pcrlembagaan dianggap sebagai foreign country iaitu negara ini. J adi ketika ini saya sendiri tidak: fabam yang di luar daripada negara Malaysia. Se mengapakah kita hendak mcminda Article lain daripada itu, ada bcberapa perkara yang ini, mungkin keadaan keselamatan dalam saya ingin mengambil perhatian dan sebelum negara kita begitu mendesak, tetapi walau itu saya ingin memberitahu di Dewan yang bagaimanapun cuma dua-tiga hari yang lalu mulia ini apa-apa pendapat atau teguran sahaja Ketua Polis Negara bcrkata : masaalah yang saya kemukakan ini tidak lain dan tidak keselamatan dalam mcmcrangi kominis bukan ialah demi kedaulatan Undang bukan perkara baru, kita telah memerangi undang dan keagongan Perlcmbagaan. kominis sejak tahun 1948-1961 dan Per Satu perlcara yang saya tcrtarik hati ialah lembagaan ini juga digubalkan dalam ketika Article 5, percnggan 2 dalam Pcrlembagaan itu juga. ltulah yang saya hairan, mcngapa Malaysia mengenai fundamental liberties pindaan diperlukan, kerana dalam Pcr ataupun apa yang disebutkan dalam lembagaan ini juga telah disebutkan di 2061 12 JUI.Al 1976 2062 perenggan 11 iaitu mulai Article 149 di mana serta mempertabankan undang-undang. Ini Perlembagaan telah memberi kuasa yang lah ilcrar saya yang saya buat dalam Dewan luas; iaitu : yang mulia ini. Perenggan 11. Bahawasanya kalau ke Selain dari itu berkaitan dengan Article adaan suasana begitu buruk maka lJndang 125 berhubung dengan kuasa-kuasa yang undang bQleh dibuat tanpa pindaan akan diberi kepada Hakim Mahkamah Per Undang-undang Perlembagaan. sekutuan. Pada masa sekarang kuasa-kuasa Misalnya, keadaan yang ada sekarang iaitu yang diberi kepada Hakim Mahkamah Per lJndang-undang Internal Security Act, ini sekutuan ialah terdapat dalam Court of telah memberi kuasa yang banyak tanpa Judicature Act dan satu daripada original meminda undang-undang. jurisdictionny ialah berkaitan dengan perkara-perkara yang terlibat dalam Article Berkaitan dengan perenggan (3) yang akan 128 Perlembagaan. J adi dia tak ada kuasa dipinda di mana : yang terdapat kepada hakim-hakim Mah (3) "Where a person is arrested he shall be kamah Tinggi. Saya tertarik kepada kejadian informed as soon as may be of the baru-baru ini di mana semua Ahli Yang grounds of his arrest and shall be Berhormat saya fikir telah mengetahui allowed to consult and be defended by tentang perbicaraan Yang Berhormat Datuk a legal practitioner of his choice." Harun. Perbicaraan itu dijalankan oleh seorang Hakim Mahkamah Persekutuan. Inilah hak yang termaktub dalam 4 Perlembagaan. Perenggan pula : Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Perkara (4) "Where a person is arrested and not itu masih dalam rayuan. released he shall without any unreason able delay, and in any case within Tuan Ariffin bin Haji Daud: Tuan Yang twenty-four hours (excluding the time di-Pertua, inilah yang menjadi hairan. Jadi of any necessary journey) be produced mungkin satu daripada alasan-alasan rayuan before a magistrate and shall not be yang dibuat oleh yang kena tuduh ialah further detained in custody without the perkara itu iaitu Hakim Mahkamah Per magistrate's authority." sekutuan tak ada kuasa mendengar perkara perkara di Mahkamah Tinggi. Jadi apabila Berkaitan dengan lJndang-undang yang kita luluskan lJndang-undang ini dan lulus ada sekarang, misalnya Seksyen 117 Criminal pula retrospective, rayuan yang dibuat oleh Procedure Code telah memberi kuasa kepada yang kena tuduh itu sudah mansuh-tak ada Majistret untuk mcnge]uarkan perintah makna lagi, tctapi kalau dipinda dibcri kuasa tahanan sehingga 14 hari dan 14 hari lagi kepada Hakim Mahkamah Persekutuan dan mungkin jadi 28 hari. Ini telah ada dalam dikuatkuasakan ketika Rang Undang-undang Undang-undang yang ada sekarang. mungkin ini diluluskan, ini tak akan tin1bul satu akan diperkatakan bahawa susah hendak kecurigaan kepada masyarakat, tetapi apa mendapat perintah daripada majistret itu. bila kita luluskan Undang-undang ini with Tetapi sepanjang yang saya tahu semenjak effect retrospectively. Ini akan menin1bulkan tahun 1958 lagi di mana ketika itu saya •atu kecurigaan. adakah undang-undang Per menjadi seorang pegawai Polis. tak pernah lembagaan yang dipinda ini kerana kes permohonan untuk menahan orang-orang Datu k Harun. Mungkin tidak. Mungkin Ahli yang dituduh ditolak oleh majistret dan pada ahli Yang Berhormat mengatakan tidak, tahun 1972 juga di mana saya menjadi tetapi masyarakat bagaimana" Satu ke scorang pegawai dalam Jabatan Kchakiman, eurigaan akan timbul bahawa kelalaian tak pernah satu ketika di mana saya sendiri jabatan yang berkenaan boleh diatasi dcngan menolak permohonan untuk menahan orang meminda undang-undang Perlembagaan. yang dituduh, kecuali syaratnya tak eukup, Satu perkara lagi ialah mengenai Article tetapi kalau syaratnya tak cukup. itu bukan 135 lah silap undang-undang, itu silap jentera dalam Clause 30, muka 8 dalam bahasa pentadbiran. Itulah perkara-perkara yang lnggeris berkaitan dengan pcmccatan merunsingkan kami, terutama sekali saya pegawai-pegawai iaitu : sebagai Ahli Parlimen apabila saya berikrar "!35 (!) No member of any of the services mengangkat Sumpah tempoh hari, satu dari mentioned in paragraphs (b) to (g) of pada syaratnya ialah memelihara, melindungi Oause (!) of Article 132 shall be dismissed 2063 12 JULAI 1976 2064 or reduced in rank by an authority wajar, kerana apakah salahnya, apakah rusi subordinate to that which, at the time of nya membed peluang kepada l'°Pwaf itu the dismissal or reduction, has power to untuk membela dirinya sekali lagi. appoint a member of that service of equal rank." Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tak mahu ber cakap panjang lagi dalarn hal ini, cuma saya ialah Mungicin ini timbul kerana kejadian minta dan merayu supaya perkara ini di kejadian yang telah berlaku di mana Ketua timbangkan, kerana kalau kita tengok dalam ketua fabatan yang tidak ada kuasa, they pindaan kepada Article 5 disebutkan iaitu : have no power to dismiss the officer but did so, resulting in the courts of this country "or any person who is arrested or detained overruling such decisions and incurring or placed under restricted residence under expenses in the form of arrears. any law relating to the security of the Fed eration, preventive detention, restricted Dan kalau Ke:ua-ketua Jabatan tak tahu residence, immigration or banishment. and setakat mana hak dia, ini kita boleh betulkan all the provisions of this Clause shall be tanpa mominda Perlembagaan. deemed to have been an integral part of this Article as from Merdeka Day." Satu perkara lagi saya rasa patut di kemukakan dalam Dewan yang mulia ini Dalam Undang-undang Imigeresen sahaja 2 : ialah selepas daripada para berrnacam-macam kesalahan ada di dalam "135 (2) No member of such a service as Undang-undang itu, ada yang keci l sehingga aforesaid shall be dismissed or reduced in memberi keterangan yang tidak betul pun rank without being given a reasonable menjadi satu kesalahan. Adakah orang ini opportunity of being heard." akan ditarik juga haknya apabila pindaan ini dibuat? Banyak perkara-perkara, kesalahan lni adalah amalan yang dibuat di mana-mana kesalahan yang disebut di dalam Undang negara bebas dan dalarn bahasa Latin disebut undang Imigeresen yang kecil-kecil tetapi audi alteram partem iaitu kalau kita kata apabila pindaan ini dibuat orang ini juga dalam bahasa lnggeris "let him be heard". haknya akan ditarik. Jadi dengan pindaan ini dikatakan : "Provided that this Clause shall not J adi inilah saya minta dengan tulus ikhlas apply to the following cases- demi kedaulatan Undang-undang, demi halua (a) where a member of such a service is keagongan Perlembagaan, difikirlcan halus dan ditimbangkan. dismissed or reduced in rank on the ground of conduct in respect of which a criminal charge has been 5.43 pig. proved against him;" Tuan Chin Hon Nglan (Rengam): Tuan Jadi apabila a criminal charge has been Yang di-Pertua, saya juga menyokong proved against him, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pindaan yang dikemukakan sebentar tadi where in mitigating circumstances, in oleh Yang Amat Berhorrnat Perdana Menteri extenuating circumstances, the courts do kita dan saya minta di sini dalam ucapan allow him to be released on bond withou t a saya, saya kadang-kadang akan juga berucap conviction being recorded. Ini ialah di bawah dalam bahasa lnggeris. Seksyen I 73A Criminal Procedure Code. Sungguhpun dia telah melakukan kesalahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pindaan yang di sungguhpun keterangan telah ada, sungguh kemukakan pada petang ini adalah satu pun mahkamah telah dapati dia bersalah, pindaan yang sangat penting. Tadi saya telah tetapi oleh sebab-sebab yang tertentu mah mendengar Ahli-ahli Yang Berhorrnat ter kamah tak catitkan kesalahannya itu, and to utamanya Ahli-ahli Yang Berhorrnat dari all intents and purposes, there is no record of parti-parti Pembangkang yang membuat his previous convictions. Adakah ini ber beberapa tuduhan iaitu pindaan ini adalah makna bahawa pegawai yang berkaitan itu satu pindaan yang barangkali akan meng tak dibenarkan mendengar, membela dirinya hapuskan demokrasi di negara kita ini dan sebelum dia dibuang kerja ataupun diturun saya di sini menafikan tuduhan itu, kerana kan pangkat Pada fikiran saya. secara ikhlas, kita dalam negara ini sampai masa sekarang saya ingat ini satu perkara yang tidak berapa pun sentiasa menikmati hak-hak demokratik 2065 12 JULAI 1976 2066 dan juga menikmati privileges yang warga contains all the laws, under which if any negara-warganegara di negara lain barang person is alleged to have committed an kali tidak dapat menikmati seperti kita. offence, he can be arrested or detained, but the Pe nal Code does not provide for that Di sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak person who is detained or arrested to be memberi sedikit-sebanyak komen alas beber produced before a Magistrate within twenty apa pindaan. Yang Pertama, pindaan atas four hours. Now, in such a case if that is the Perkara 5 kepada Perlembagaan kita. Tuan meaning of this new proviso, then I would Yang di-Pertua, sebenarnya beberapa hari say that it sounds rather ridiculous, because yang laJu kita telah menerima pindaan all the provisions in the PenaJ Code or under pindaan atas Perlembagaan ini tetapi pada the Road Traffic Ordinance or under the hari ini saya baru dapat satu pindaan atas Customs Act do not provide expressly for pindaan kepada Pe rlembagaan. Oleh sebab the production of a detained or arrested itu kita tidak dapat peluang untuk mengkaji person before a magistrate within twenty lebih dalam atas pindaan yang terakhir ini, four hours. lf that is so, as I said, then it tetapi di sini saya hendak memberi kon1en would mean that all those persons arrested sedikit-sebanyak atas perkara ini. under the existing laws which do not provide (Dengan izin) Mr Speaker, Sir. Article 5. for the production of the arrested or detained sub-clause (4) is proposed to be amended person, from now on if we pass this BiH. are a"d with your permission, I will read the going to be deprived of their right and you sub-clause (4) with the amending new can imagine there will be thousands and provision, viz: thousands of people who are going to be "(4) Where a person is arrested and not deprived of this fundamental right. So, I released he shall without unreasonable could only think that this is not the intention delay, and in any case within twenty-four of Parliament today. Parliament does not hours (excluding the time r>f any have that intention by the introduction of this unnecessary journey) be produced before clause to exclude all persons arrested or a magistrate and shall not be further detafoed to be brought before the court. I detained in custody without the think the intention of Parliament is that in magistrate's authority provided"--this is the case of those people who are alleged to the new amendment, Mr Speaker. Sir have committed very serious offences and "that this Clause shall not apply to the who are arrested or detained, they need not arrest or detention of any person under the be produced before the court within twenty existing law which make no provision for four hours and that they may be produced the production of such a person before after a certain length of time. This is how I a magistrate, and all the provisions of this look at this matter. i.e. the intention of Clause shall be deemed to have been an Parliament today, whether we are passing integral part of this Article as from this particular amendment to exclude all the Merdeka Day." persons arrested and detained, so that they could be excluded from being brought before Mr Speaker, Sir, what I wish to seek a the court within twenty-four hours. clarification is in regard to the interpretation of this proviso. What I can jmagine is this : Perhaps another way at least of inter that any person who is arrested or detained preting this particular proviso, i.e. "provided under any existing law which makes no this Clause shall not apply to the arrest or provision for his production before the detention of any person under the existing niagistrate within twenty�four hours. in a case law wh.ich ...." instead of "which makes like this, it would mean that under any law no provision for the production of'', it could which does not provide expressly-in other be interpreted as "which makes no express words, the law is silent on the matter in that provision for the non�production of a it does not say expressly that you must particular person who is detained or produce the detained or arrested person arrested". Perhaps that is the intention. If before the magistrate within twenty-four that is so. then I would say I will agree with hours. it. Interpretation is very important because Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may draw your when we have passed this Amendment or any attention, practically under aJJ the law in the law, the body that is responsible for country, for example, our Penal Code which interpreting this law, i.e. the Judges, the 12 JUlAI 1976 2068 s.siom Court President, the Magistrate&, are taking place very lut in the world--men they will be looking for the intention of. have gone to the moon and come back. Parliament. Tberdore, the words that we use Therefore, I suggest that it is time for us now today are of. extreme importance; if they are to set up a special Royal Commission to not clear, then the Judges, the Sessions Court examine all the provisions of the Constitut President and the Magistrates will read all tion and especially to review matters kinds of. intention in the interpretation of tlBs contained in the Constitution under the provision. heading of "Federal, State and Concurrent Lists" because itis those Lists that contain Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga merojok matters that very often give rise to disagree· kepada perkara yang lain iaitu perkara (2) ments between the State and Central Govern· iaitu Amendment of Article I. Di bawah ments and I trunk all possible areas which pindaan ini, "the States of Fed tion shall can give rise to such conllict ought to be be Johore, Kedah. Kelantan, Melaka, Negri minimised as much as possible. Sembilan, Pahang, Penang, Perak, Perlis. Sabah, Sarawak, Selangor and Trengganu." 5.56 pig. lllis, to my mind, Tuan Yang di·Pertua, Tuan Haji Suhaimi bin Datuk Hajl places every State equal to one another within Kamaruddin (Sepang): Tuan Yang di· the Federation of Malaysia and from this, I Pertua, oleh kerana naskah sahehnya dalam hope it is a forerunner of better things to bahasa Inggeris, saya minta izin di sana sini come especially in the efforts of unifying our menyelitkan ucapan saya di dalam bahasa country of so many States and especially lnggeris. with regard to Sabah and Sarawak where many laws which are applicable here are not (Dengan izin) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, one applicable there. We hope that this places all of the prominent features of the Constitu· States at par with one another and that one tional changes that are being brought to this day, all the laws would be applicable Honourable Dewan is the lack of throughout the whole nation covering all the Explanatory Statement. States. At the present moment, there are still Kita kurang mendapat tahu apakah sebab· quite a number of laws which do not apply sebab yang begitu mendesak yang memerlu to Sabah or Sarawak. kan sesuatu pindaan yang telah dicadangkan. Jika kita kaji di bawah bab Explanatory Besides these, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, in Statement tidaklah kita mendapat gambaran conclusion, I wish to point out that naturally yang saheh. yang terang apakah sebab-sebab· the Constitution is a very, very special nya, apakah reasonnya yang mendorong document and that the less amendments be satu-satu daripada pindaan yang dicadang· made to the Constitution, the better it is. But kan ini. Dan pada pendapat saya, Tuan we must not forget as Yang Amat Berhormat Yang di-Pertua, pindaan sesuatu Perlem· Perdana Menteri has stated, these are bagaan itu adalah sesuatu perkara yang amat changing times and not only changing times, serious dan tentulah kita menierlukan sebab· things are changing very fast and therefore a sebab disokong dengan natijah-natijah yang document, even a special document like the se•uatu Constitution will have to change in order to boleh meyakinkan bahawa pindaan itu perlu untuk diluluskan di Dewan yang suit changing times. Therefore, let us not be mulia ini. unduly worried about any amendments introduced to amend the Constitution Saya mernberi satu contoh, Tuan Yang di· because we must trust our leaders who bring Pertua, berkenaan dengan Fasal 12SA. Fasal in amendments to the Constitution because 28 mengatakan : the Constitution has not lived up to our "Perlembagaan adalah dengan ini di· expectations. That is the only way we can pinda dengan memasukkan selepas sahaja look at any amendments. Perkara 125 suatu Perkara baru 12SA seperti berikut : so Finally, because times have changed Walaupun apa jua yang terkandung fast-in fact although we have been indepen dalam Perlembag;ian ini, adalah dengan dent only for 20 years, I would say that ini ditetapb.n bahawa- during these 20 years, not only changes have {a) Ketua Hakim Negara Mlhkamab taken place very fast in our country, changes Persekutuan dan seseorang hakim 2069 12 JUI.AI 1976 2070 Mahkamah Persekutuan boleh (b) such original or consultative jurisdic menjalankan semua atau mana· tion as is specified in Articles 128 mana daripada kuasa-kuasa hakim and 130." Mahkamah Tinggi; dan Dan kita rujuk kepada Article 128 dan di (b) x x x x x x sini kita boleh dapati bahawa Article 128 menyatakan bahawa : (2) Peruntukan-peruntukan Perkara uu hendaklah disifatkan sebagai telah menjadi "The Federal Court shall, to the sebahagian integral Perlembagaan ini mulai exclusion of any other court, have dari Hari Malaysia." jurisdiction to determine : (a) any question whether a law made by Dan sekiranya kita pergi kc muka 20 di Parliament or by the Legislature of dalam Rang Undang-undang ini, paragraph a State is invalid on the ground that 29 menyatakan di sini di atas sebab-sebab it makes provision with respect to a Undang-undang ini dipinda. Di bawah matter with respect to which Parlia Huraian menyatakan : ment or, as the case may be, the "29. Fasal 28 Rang Undang-undang ini Legislature of the State has no bertujuan untuk memasukkan suatu power to make laws; and perkara Barn l 25A bagi membolehkan (b) disputes on any other question Ketua Hakim Negara dan hakim-hakim between States or between the Mahkamah Persekutuan menjalankan Federation and any State." semua atau mana-mana daripada kuasa· kuasa seseorang Hakim sesuatu Mahkamah Keadaan itu dicerminkan pula oleh the Tinggi ...... Courts of Judicature Act yang menyatakan di bawah Seksyen 45. The Courts of Judicature dan seterus menyatakan : Act, (Act No. 7 of 1964) save as hereinafter Perkara baru ini akan disifatkan sebagai in this Act provided : telah menjadi sebahagian integral Per "The Federal Court, for the purposes of lembagaan mulai dari Hari Malaysia." its jurisdiction under sub-articles (I) and (2) of Article 120 of the Constitution. Pada pendapat saya, Tuan Yang di- hereinafter called the original jurisdiction, Pertua, Undang-undang pada hari ini shall have the same jurisdiction and may menyatakan bahawa seseorang Hakim exercise the same powers as are held and Mahkamah Pe rsekutuan (Federal Judge) may be exercised by any High Court." tidak ada kuasa duduk mendengar kes itu untuk dibicarakan di Mahkamah Tinggi. Itu Dengan Undang-undang yang saya telah pendapat saya berkenaan undang-undang baca dan huraikan tadi, Tuan Yang di dan saya akan menjelaskan pendapat saya Pertua, nyatalah bahawa Mahkamah Pcr itu. sekutuan tidak boleh dan tidak ada mem punyai kuasa untuk mendengar kes-kes yang Berkenaan dengan kuasa-kuasa Hakim boleh didengar oleh Mahkamah Tinggi Mahkamah Persekutuan ada terkandung di melainkan berkenaan dengan Perlembagaan dalam Bahagian 9 Perlembagaan (The (Constitution). Kalau ada kes-kes Perlem Judiciary) dan di sini ada menyebutkan, saya bagaan ataupun disputes on any other bacakan dalam bahasa Inggeris : question between States or between Federa "The following jurisdiction shall be tion and any State, maka bolehlah vested in a coun which shall be known as Mahkamah Persekutuan duduk sebagai the Federal Court and shall have its Mahkamah Tinggi dengan menggunakan principal Registry in Kuala Lumpur, that kuatkuasanya sebagai kuasa yang asli atau is to say : pun dalam bahasa Inggerisnya "original jurisdiction." (a) exclusive jurisdiction to determine appeals from decisions of the High Tetapi ada pula setengah-setengah pihak Court or a judge thereof, except yang menyatakan itu Mahkamah, tetapi decisions of a High Court given by Hakim lain. Ya, benar Mahkarnah Perse the Registrar or other official of the kutuan tidak ada kuasa untuk mendengar court and appealable under Federal kes-kes Mahkamah Tinggi melainkan yang law to a judge of the court; and dikeeualikan seperti terkandung di dalam 207 1 12 JULAI 1976 2072 .i:'erlembagaan, yakni membuat perbezaan mendengar dan mempunyai kuasa Mah antara Mahkamah dengan Hakim itu sendiri. kamab Tinggi adalah merupakan declaratory, Di sini pun saya rasa Hakim Mahkamah tidak. Saya sekali-kali menafikan bahawa iuga tidak ada kuasa. Article 125A ini adalah declaratory iaitu mengesahkan apa yang memang ada pada l\1emang benar sebelum daripada tahun kuasa Federal urt,Co tidak. Article 125A ini 1951 ada suatu fasal dalam Perlembagaan bukan declaratory. Article 125A tidak menge iaitu Fasal 125 pecahan (IO) yang menyata sahkan Undang-undang yang memang sudah kan : ada yang menyatakan bahawa Mahkamah Persekutuan boleh dan mempunyai kuasa "A judge of the Higb Court who is Hakim Mahkamah Tinggi, tidak. Keadaan appointed to be a judge of the Federal yang sebenarnya ialah mengikut Undang Court shaU cease to be a judge of the said undang pada hari ini sepertimana yang telah High Court." dihuraikan bahawa tidak ada kuasa sesc orang Hakim Mahkamah Persekutuan men Tetapi pecahan itu telahpun dimansuhkan dengar sebagai Hakim Mahkamah Tinggi kes di dalam suatu Act, Akta (A) 31 pada tahun jenayah. Maka dengan sebab demikian, 1971 tetapi dengan segala hormatnya saya timbullah persoalan mengapa pindaan ini menyatakan bahawa pemansuhan Clause perlu? What is the purpose? Lebih-lebih lagi 125 (JO) itu tidak memberi kuasa kepada Article 125 ini adalah retrospective iaitu dia Hakim Mahkamah Persek:utu an duduk bagi pergi ke belakang. Bermakna kalau sekiranya mendengar sebagai Hakim Mahkamah ada sekarang seorang Hakim Mahkamah Tinggi. Dan kalau kita kaji cara-cara Federal, katalah, there is a Federal Court perlantikan Mahkamah Persekutuan, cara Judge, membicarakan satu kes jenayah di cara melantik Hakim-hakim Persekutuan dan Mahkamah Tinggi, dan pada Undang cara-cara melantik Hakim-hakim Mahkamah undang sebelum daripada pindaan Perlem Tinggi jelas, nyata dan terang kita dapati bagaan ini perbicaraan itu adalah tidak sah bahawa Hakim Mahkamah Persekutuan (null and void). Tetapi kalau sekiranya Per hanya mempunyai kuasa terkandung seperti lembagaan ini lulus oleh kerana ayat dalam mana saya telah nyatakan tadi, mereka ada Fasal 28 (2) menyatakan : lah Hakim Mahkamah Persekutuan boleh "The provisions of this Article shall be mendengar appeal dan sebagainya tetapi mereka hanya boleh dan mempunyai kuasa deemed to be an integral part of the mendengar sebagai Hakim Mahkamah Constitution as from Malaysia Day." Tinggi di dalam kes Perlembagaan. J adi, Bermakna tindakan Mahkamah Penekutuan bermakna sekiranya seseorang Hakim Perse tadi ataupun Hakim Federal tadi mendengar kutuan itu duduk di Mahkamah Tinggi untuk kes Mahkamah Tinggi di dalam kes jenayah membicarakan sesuatu kes jenayah umpama tadi adalah sah, disahkan oleh pindaan ini. nya, maka perbicaraan itu adalah tidak sah, Bermakna apa yang tidak sah sebelum dari s void, maka the trial is null, the trial i pada Perlembagaan ini akan sah oleh pindaan terpaksalah perbicaraan itu diadakan sekali ini. Joi saya rasa adalah suatu pindaan yang Iagi oleb kerana kes itu adalah null and void. unjust, kerana restrospective legislation Dan saya menyatakan sekali lagi sekiranya selalunya adalah memberi rigbts bukannya ada pada hari ini secrang Hakim Mahkamah mengambil rights. Kalau kita kaji sejarah Persekutuan (Federal Court) mendengar dan restrospective legislation adalah menolong membicarakan kes Mahkamah Tinggi dan rakyat bukannya mengambil hak rakyat atau duduk sebagai Hakim Mahkamah Tinggi, pun mengesahkan apa yang tidak sah. maka kesnya itu kalau bukan kes Perlem bagaan iaitu kes jenayah, maka perbicaraan Sekiranya Article 125 ini diluluskan oleh itu null and void-tidak sah. Itulah keadaan Dewan Rakyat ini, bermakna bahawa apa Undang-undang pada hari ini pada pendapat juga kes-kes yang dibicarakan oleh seorang saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Hakim Federal di Mahkamah Tinggi, maka tindakan itu yang pada hari ini null and void Jadi, tidaklah boleh dikatakan bahawa menjadi sah, menjadi baik, menjadi good Article l25A yang hendak dimasukkan dalam law. Maka timbullah persoalan yang saya Perlembagaan ini yang memberi kuasa nyatakan tadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa kepada Hakim Mahkamah Persekutuan untuk sebabnya perlu dipinda. What are the reasons 2073 12 JULAI 1976 2074 that prompted the amendment of Article boleh. Peraturan Dewan Rakyat ini me 125A to the present Constitution. Apakah nasihatkan kita bahawa sesuatu perkara yang sebabnya? What arc the reasons, dan tidak sub judice tidak boleh dibincangkan dan ada dinyatakan di sini dan tidak ada kita Article 125A ini, maaf saya menyatakan dengar di mana-mana pihak pun apa sebab dengan segala hormatnya, adalah sub judice nya perlu pindaan l25A. Ini bukan kerana ia menyentuh suatu perkara yang declaratory. Ini adalah meminda undang akan diputuskan oleh Mahkamah Federal undang yang ada sekarang. Oleh kerana tidak tidak berapa lama lagi. ada Huraian yang terang dan jelas maka timbullah berbagai-bagai spekulasi, lebih Dengan segala penuh ikhlas dan kcj ujuran, lebih lagi dengan keadaan negara kita Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I appeal that Clause sekarang ini menghadapi banyak musuh. (2) of Arfcle 125A be deleted at the Musuh negara di kiri, kanan, di semua aspek Committee Stage. Saya harap pihak Kerajaan dan angle ada musuh. Maka pindaan akan mengambil inisiatif untuk memotong pindaan semacam ini boleh digunakan oleh kan retrospective effect of the clause supaya musuh untuk mengelirukan fikiran rakyat mengclakkan segala kekeliruan yang boleh seolah-olah Kerajaan ada bad intention, ada timbul daripada itu. mempunyai satu muslihat. Yang sebenarnya tidak ada, Kerajaan tidak ada muslihat yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Article 125A (b) jahat (bad intention), tetapi oleh kerana mcnyatakan : Huraiannya tidak terang, tidak nyata, maka "A Judge of the High Court in Malaya timbul spekulasi, maka timbullah anasir may exercise all or any of the powers of a anasir subvcrsif cuba mempengaruhi pen� Judge of the High Court in Borneo". dapat-pendapat rakyat dan nyatakan bahawa tujuan New Article 125A ini ialah ada Bermakna sekarang Judge ataupun Hakim muslihat. kerana ada satu kes yang kita Mahkamah Tinggi di Malaya boleh ditukar semua tahu di mana seorang Hakim Federal kan untuk menjadi Hakim di Borneo, mendengar kes jcnayah di Mahkamah Tinggi. sekarang tidak boleh. Sekarang seorang Sudah tentu rakyat menyatakan inilah sebab Hakim Mahkamah Tinggi di Malaya tidak nya, sungguhpun kita di sini tahu bahawa itu boleh kita tukarkan untuk menjadi Hakim bukan sebabnya New Article 125A ini di Mahkamah Tinggi di Sarawak ataupun di masukkan tetapi oleh kerana sense of timing Sabah kerana mereka ada Court yang ini tidak betul. Dengan sebab itu. saya !erasing, tetapi dengan pindaan ini mem mcrayu supaya kalaupun hendak mclaksana bolehkan Hakim Mahkamah Tinggi di kan. insertion of this New Article !25A Malaya untuk duduk sebagai Hakim Mah jangan jangan hendak adakan retrospective. kamah Tinggi di Sabah dan Sarawak. Timbul kita laksanakan cffectnya itu kebelakang. lagi soalan mengapa ini perlu. Oleh kcrana biarlah perlaksanaannya mulai pada tarikh kurang H uraian, kurang penjelasan, timbul ianya digazette ataupun tarikh yang tertentu. lagi spekulasi. Mungkin ada pihak mcnyata jangan ada retrospective. kan ini satu threat kepada Judges di Malaya, Bila ada kuasa retrospective seperti yang kalau kita tidak scbelah Kerajaan akan di transferkan ke Sarawak dan Sabah, katanya terkandung di dalam bentuk yang ada sekarang maka timbullah sepertimana telah boleh digunakan. Ada pihak-pihak golongan saya katakan tadi iaitu spekulasi (specula golongan yang subversif, yang anti-nasional akan mcnggunakan ini menyatakan bahawa tion). Ini akan mendatangkan akibat yang ini subtle threat. satu ugutan yang subtle dari paling buruk kepada negara kita dipermain segi pihak Kerajaan kepada Hakim-hakim kan dispekulasikan, dieksploitasikan oleh yang selalu memberi judgment yang anti· musuh-musuh negara pada hari ini. Malah Kerajaan. Kalau dia berasa tidak sedap saya nyatakan dari segi pendapat saya, saya judgementnya ditukarkan dia jadi Hakim, minta maaf menyatakan di sini bahawa New mungkin di pendalaman atau ke mana-mana Article 125A ini ialah sub judice dan oleh di Sarawak, bukanlah saya hendak memper kecilkan Sarawak atau Sabah-tidak. Sabah kcrnna ia u ice- out of order Article suh j d dan Sarawak bagus, negerinya baik tetapi ini dibincangkan sekarang, kerana kita mem adalah satu kenyataan bahawa orang-orang bincangkan satu ha! yang akan dibicarakan di sini takut juga, susah hati, bimbang juga di Mahkamah Federal, bermakna kita tidak hendak berkhidmat di sana. Jadi mungkin 207S 12 JULAI 1976 2076 abn digunakan oleh pihak-pihak yang tcr llCICOOUlg itu boJeh diproducc lehih daripada tentu yang tidak bertanggungjawab mcnyata 24 hours, undang-undans itu null and void kan bahawa pindaan (b) ini adalah satu kcrana mcl•ngpr Perlcmbagaan. tetapi subtle threat-Uj!Utan yang halus mcnakut dengan adanya proviso yang baru ini maa mcnakutkan Hllim-baltim di Mahkamah benarkan undang-undang Yans semacam itu Tinggi Malaya yang tidak bersimpati dan yang menyatakan bahawa tidak perlu dibawa tidak memberi hukuman-hukuman Gudg (produce) orang yang ditangkap itu kc ment) selaras dan sejajar dengan kebendak Mahkamah. Ini adalah satu perkara yans dan keperluan Kerajaan ataupun Ke akan menyusahkan rakyat kerana apabila mcnterian Undang-undang. orang telah ditahan, apabila produce di Mahkamah sekurang-kurangnya warisnya, Tuan (Tun balan) Yang di-Pertua: Yang kakaknya, adiknya, saudara-maranya Berhormat ada dua minit sahaja Iagi untuk (relations) tahu yang dia ada. dia hidup bercakap. lagi- a matter as the making of changes to the expressed their opirtion on it, but I think that Constitution of a country because the it will be better if the Clause specified the Constitution of a country has been drawn up various Acts or Ordinances because the after very deliberate considerations given to wording is so made that it is capable of a existing Common Law Institutions that were very wide interpretation. Tuan Yang di in this country prior to Merdeka and after Pertua, the Clause says : having due regard to the multi-racial "Provided that this Clause shall not composition of the peoples in this country. apply to the arrest or detention of any Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri person under the existing law which makes said just now that some of us in taking part no provision for the production of such in this debate here will refer to the American person before a Magistrate, and all the Constitution which is now 200 years old but provisions of this Clause shall be deemed there are not many changes in it. But I also to have been an integral part of this Article agree with Yang Amat )Jerhormat Perdana as from Merdeka Day." Menteri that where the circumstances demand Now, even section 28 of the Crim inal it, especially s.ince the rapid industrialisation Procedure Code says : and development of a country, if we need to "An Officer making an arrest without a change the Constitution, we must do so, but warrant shall, without unnecessary delay subject to every Member of this House seeing and subject to the provisions herein as to to it that our fundamental rights and liberties bail or previous release, take or send the as guaranteed under the Constitution are not person arrested before a Magistrate's encroached upon. We must see to it that Court." when we change the Constitution that what we do is to make it workable. I believe that That is provided under the Criminal Pro England which is supposed lo be the cedure Code and it further states : Motherland of Democracy does not have a "No Police Officer shall detain in written Constitution, although we know that custody a person arrested without a they have had the Magna Carta in the 12th warrant for a longer period titan under all Century. But all along the English Constitu the circumstances of the case is reasonable. tion was based on the English Common Law Such delay shall not in the absence or after decisions by the Judges in the High Courts the expiration of special Order of the and in their House of Lords and in certain Magistrate under Section 117 exceed 24 Conventions which have the force of law in hours exclusive of the time necessary for England. Now, why is it that England which the journey from the place of arrest to the is acknowledged to be the "Motherland of Magis.trate's Court." Democracy" does not have a Constitution? Because the English feel that when the time Tuan Yang di-Pertua. this is almost the demands it they can always change the same as Clause (4) of Article 5 of the Constitut.ion without having to undergo the Constitution and the proviso I believe is necessity of having a two-thirds majority in meant to exclude certain persons who are Parliament. arrested, most probably persons arrested under the Preventive Detention Act which Now, that is one reason why the English was passed recently under Article 149 of the who are very very astute in practising Constitution, or the Restricted Residence political democracy do not have a WTitten Ordinance which was passed before the Constitution and that is, I think, all the more Second World War under the British or even reason that we can accept changes to the certain Criminal Law (Prevention of Crime) Constitution provided the changes so made Act. do not encroach upon our fundmental rights. Now, all these. I am sure, even before now, Now, our fundamental rights have been in the majority of cases in my experience-as stated to be certain rights to the liberty of the i Member of this Honourable House, I have person and Iha t is in Part II of the !tad people coming to see me-they found Constitution-Clauses 5 to 8 and it is here that persons detained were unheard of for that we find that there is now an amendment more than one week or even IO days. This is which was tabled this morrting and two of .i very serious provision because of the my Honourable friends have already inconvenience and worry caused to the 2079 12 JUI.AI 1976 2080 families of the persons who are detained. of Judges. To have an independent Judiciary They do not know whether he is detained for the Judges must be properly paid We realiac a criminal or a subversive offence or for any that the rem uneration of Judges is linked and other offence. If he is not brought to the tied up with the other services ofthe Govern Court, then the right of the person to know ment resulting in that no increases are that he is being detained may be lost because possible without disturbing the salary his family will not be able to know in which structures of the other services. But the other part of the Police Station he is detained services have the benefit in recent times of either in the Special Branch or in the the Suffian Commission and the Ibrahim Ali ordinary Criminal Section and they will have Commission to look into their salary to make a lot of enquiries to be able to find structures. There is also the question of a out. I think this is a very serious matter and reasonable pension for the Judge upon I think it should specify there the type of retirement and since a judge retires upon offences where· they need not be produced attaining the age of 65 years there is all the before a Magistrate. more reason why a reasonable pension in keeping with his status should be provided We are aware, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, that for a Judge when he retires. 'There is, I the security situation in this country is such believe, certain countries in Europe where a that steps to enforce security in the nation Judge's pension is the same as his fomer should be taken by Government but we hope salary. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I now refer that this kind of amendment will be the last to ...... because we must not fall into the easy way out of amending the Constitution just to meet Tuan (Tunbalan) Yang dl-Patua: Yang a given situation because if we go on like Berhorrnat, masa tidak ada lagi. Masa sudah this everything that is guaranteed in the cukup. Constitution will gradually be eroded by piecemeal legislation. USUL Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I will now refer to amendments regarding Judges. We PENANGGUHAN MESYUARAT welcome the amendment to Article 122 and 122A of the Constitution enabling the Yang Menter! Perhubungan (fan Sri V Malllcb di·Pertuan Agong to increase the number of vuagam): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon Judges of the High Court and to appoint a mencadangkan bahawa Majlis ini ditangguh person qualified to be a Judge of the High kan sekarang. Court as a Judicial Commissioner for the despatch of business of the High Court in Tan Sri Datuk Hajl Abdul Kadlr bin Malaya. Although the power to vary the Ynsof: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon number of Judges in the High Court is now menyokong. taken away from this House and is now vested in Duii Yang Maha Mulia Yang di· UCAPAN PENANGGUHAN Pertuan Agong, we are satisfied that, in the interest of the country, Duli Yang Maha Air Bali Di Pekaa Kepoas Mulia Yang di-Pertuan Agong will use the power judicially and appoint only a 6.32 pig. sufficient number of Judges to cope with the increased volume of litigation that is now Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Kepoag): Tuan Yang before the High Courts in Malaya. di-Pertua, saya bangun untuk membangkit· kan masaalah air bah yang berlaku di Kepong. The existing Judges that we have now in Sebelum penghujung tahun 1975, Tuan Yllllf the Federal Court and in the High Courts have coped remarkably well with the di-Pertua, jarang ada air bah di Kepong increased volume of litigation and their tetapi semenjak penghujung tahun 1975 telah patience inspite of the heavy load of work is tiga kali air bah tiba di Kepong dan air bah appreciated. itu bukan kena di kampung Kepong sahaja, tetapi di sekelilingnya juga dan air bah In this connection, I would like to bring to the notice of Yang Amat Berhorrnat bukan masuk di pekan sahaja tetapi masuk Perdana Menteri the matter of remuneration di sekeliling sekolah dan rumah di sana dan 208 1 12 JULAI 1976 2082 akibahnya terlampau serious kepada pen kepada Ketua Pengarah dan pegawai duduk-penduduk di sana. Penduduk-pen pegawainya di J abatan Parit dan Taliair alas duduk di sana telah merayu saya supaya kerjasama mereka. Sa ya berharap, Tuan menyiasat pekara ini dan mengadukan Yang di-Pertua, Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan kepada pihak yang berkuasa. Saya telah siasat perkara ini dan telah diketahui bahawa dan Wilayah Persekutuan boleh mengambil air bah berlaku di Kepong oleh sebab langkah atau bertindak untuk menghapuska.n kemajuan perumahan di Desa Jaya mahupun atau mengurangkan air bah yang berlaku di di Ehsan Sein. Bhd. di mana pokok-pokok di Kepong. Tidak berapa lama lagi. Tuan Yang tapak rumah di sana telah ditebang dan oleh di-Pertua, musim hujan akan berlaku di itu apabila hujan turun tidak ada halangan tanahair kita dan diharaplah langkah kepada air hujan yang turun di sana dan air langkah yang akan diambil bukan sahaja itu terus masuk ke Sungai Keroh d_an oleh sebab Sungai Keroh ialah sebatang sungai oleh Jabatan Parit dan Taliair tetapi oleh yang kecil maka timbullah air bah di sana. Menteri yang berkenaan boleh mengurangkan air bah yang berlaku di Kepong. Selain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, hujan yang turun di sana menimbulkan masa alah silt yang memasuki Sungai Keroh dan 6.39 pig. oleh itu juga timbul air bah di Kepong. Setiausaha Parlimen Kementerian Ke rajaan Tempatan dan Wilayah Penekutuan Malangnya, penduduk-penduduk di sana (Dr Ling Liong Sik): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pun ada membuang sampan ke Sungai Keroh saya hendak mengucapkan terima kasih dan oleh itu juga ada menimbulkan masaalah kepada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kepong air bah di Kepong. Oleh itu, Tuan Yang di di atas pandangan-pandangannya berkenaan Pertua seperti yang disebutkan oleh saya tadi dengan air bah di Pekan Kepong. Ada dua ada 3 kali semenjak Disember. 1975 air bah sebab yang mengakibatkan berlakunya banjir berlaku di Kepong. Saya telah berhubung di Daerah Kepong seperti berikut. Yang dengan Ketua Pengarah, Jabatan Parit dan pertama, oleh kerana disebabkan kerja-kerja pembangunan yang sedang dijalankan oleh Taliair dan juga dengan Jabatan Pemaritan beberapa pemaju perumahan swasta yang di Bandaraya dan suruh mereka menyiasat mana terletak di luar sempadan Wilayah perkara ini dan mengambil tindakan yang Persekutuan. Anak sungai yang sedia ada sewajarnya. telah bertambah cetek oleh kerana bertambah tebalnya tanah dasar sungai itu akibat kerja Dengan izin, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. saya kerja pembangunan tadi. Oleh yang ingin membaca sedikit surat yang saya terima demikian, tiap-tiap selepas hujan lebat air daripada pihak Ketua Pengarah Jabatan Parit sungai itu akan melimpah ke tebing-tebing dan Taliair : dan membanjiri kawasan-kawa.san yang ber "Setelah siasatan dijalankan didapati hampiran yang mana kebanyakannya adalah banjir berlaku di pekan Kepong berikutan tanah rendah. Seperti yang berlaku kepada dengan aktiviti-aktiviti pembangunan Sekolah Rendah J enis Kebangsaan (China) perumahan di Ulu Sungai Keroh di sebelah Kepong (2) yang kadang-kala tenggelam utara. Aktiviti-aktiviti tersebut telah sebanyak q kaki. mengakibatkan tambahan enapan (silt) di sungai dan air yang berlari (run off) dari Disebabkan parit-parit di sekeliling Daerah pada kawasan tersebut berikut hujan lebat. Kepong itu adalah dalam keadaan tidak Untuk mengatasi masaalah ini Jabatan ini berapa baik khususnya di sekitar Sekolah telah bertindak supaya mendesak mereka Rendah Jenis Kebangsaan (China) Kepong yang membangunkan kawasan itu meng (2) itu. ambil langkah-langkah untuk menahan enapan (silt retention) serta tambahan air Pihak Dewan Bandaraya telahpun men yang berlari dari kawasan itu." cadangbn peruntukan sebanyak $45,000 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin meng untuk membaiki parit-parit di Daerah ambil kesempatan pada masa sekarang untuk Kepong yang termasuk di dalam Wilayah mengucapkan setinggi-tinggi terima kasih Persekutuan. Waiau bagaimanapun, segala 2083 12 JUI.Al 1976 ketja-kcrja pembaikan parit itu tidak akan Usu! dikemuka bagi diputusku, daa menyclesaikan m•sa•lah benjir, kcrana dasar disetujukan. Sungai Keroh itu hendalclah diperdalami 1agi Tuan (Timbalan) Yang dan urusan pembaikan Sungai Keroh itu ada dl-Patua: Dewan lah di bawah tanggungjawab Jabatan Parit ditangguhkan sekarang sehingga pukul 2.30 3hb dan Taliair. Saya diberitahu bahawa J abatan petang hari esok, Selasa, l J ulai, 1976. Parit dan Taliair adalah menyedari tentang Dewan ditangguhlcan pada pukul 6.45 masaalab ini petang. 2131 13 JULAI 1976 213Z kalwmya menpngpp pengpnas-pengganu merta dan adakab tindakan ini mcmberi kominis satu ancaman yang SaIDa kesan terhadap bubungan baik di antara mereka sebap.i dan akan terus ber kedua negara. kerjasamabadapi di dalaln usaha sd::arang memberantas ancaman itu. Tan Sri H11jl !'tf11Mmmad Glmllll bin Sllafie: Pasukan Polis Hutan ldta berada di Bctong dengan persetujuan pibalc Thailand AKTA KIUDMAT UNDANGAN dan di bawab perintab pihak berkuasa Thai untuk membantu kekuatan ke 28. Tnan Ngan Siong Hing minta Menteri sclamatan Thai. Pasukan Polispasukan Hutan juga Undang-undang menimbangkan samada memberi bantuan logistik, termasuk makanan beliau akan mengkaji untuk meminda Aleta dan ration dalam melancarkan gerakan Khidmat Undangan, untuk memindabkan menentang musuh bersama. Apabila Kera· beliau sebagai ketua terus Majlis Peguam jaan Thai mengumumkan babawa Pasukan Malaysia Barat. Polis Hutan kita hendaldab ditarik keluar dan memberi tabu babawa Kerajaannya telab diambilnya M.. tteri Undang-and•ng (Tan Sri Datuk terikat dengan keputusan yang Hajl Abdul Kadlr bin Ymoll): Nampaknya mengikut tuntutan yang dibuat oleh pen· Ahli Yang Berhormat, mengikut soalan duduk Bctong, Kerajaan ldta tdab meng beliau, tidak membantab terhadap sistem hormati kehendak Kcrajaan Thai. Tindakan dalamana Peguam Negara adalah Ketua ini tidak menjejaskan hubungan baik di terus Majlis Peguam Malaysia Baral, tetapi antara kedua negara. Malaban ldta saling adalab membantab Menteri yang berkenaan berkcrjasama untuk menjamin supaya ke atas sifat dirinya sebagai ketua terus. Oleh adaan ini tidak diambil kesempatan oleh itu tidaldab, yang demikian memerlukan ajen-ajen kominis yang berusaha hendak pindaan kepada Undang-undang. Abli-ahli meretakkan hubungan tersebut. Jawatankuasa Majlis Peguam yang telab menggubal Rang Undang-undang berasa lebih wajar bagi Peguam Negara menjadi Ketua Terus Majlis untuk mem RANG UNDANG-UNDANG bolehbn Peguam NegaraPeguam mcmpengerusikan DIBA WA KE DALAM Mcsywuat Agung Tahunan Majlis Peguam. MESYUARAT RANG UNDANG-UNDANG YA YASAN RAZAK PEGAWAI IMIGERESEN DI SEMPADAN TI.JN Rang Undang-undang bemama Suatu Akta 2,9. Wan Snla!man bin Haji Wan Ibrahim untuk menubuhkan Yayasan Tun Razak minta Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri dan mcrnbuat peruntukan bagi pengurusan menyatakan adakah Kerajaan bercadang Yayasan tersebut dan bagi perkara-perkara akan mempersenjatai pegawai Imigeresen lain yang bersampinpn tlengannya; yang bcrtugas di sempadan. Jika ya, bilakab ke dalam Mesyuarat oleh Menteri Kewangdibawaan; rancangan akan dimulakan. dibaca kali yang pertama; akan dibacakan kali yang kedua pada Mesywuat kali ini. Menteri HaJ Ebwal Dalam Negeri (fan Sri Haji Muhammad Gbazali bin Shafie): sama sepeni soalan Yang BcrhormatSoalan ini dari Parit adalab dan telab dijawab pada 5hb Julai, 1976 lalu. RANG UNDANG-UNDANG RANG UNDANG-UNDANG PERLEM BAGAAN (PINDAAN) PASUKAN POLIS HUTAN DI BETONG lla 30. � LU:man bin Abdul Kadir minta Aturan Urusan Mesyuarat dibacahn bagi Menteri Hai Ehwal Dalam Negeri menyata menyambung semula Perbahasan yang di· kan sebab-scbab Pasukan Polis Hutan ldta tangguhkan atas "Bahawa Rang yang di Thailand di• Undang-undang lnimasaalah, dibacahn bli yang mint& ditempatkankcluar dari negaraBelong, itu dcngan serta kedua sekarang." (12hb Julai, 1976). 13 JULAI 1976 2134 2133 Toan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli-ahli Yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Bagaimana bunyi Berhormat, hari ini kita sambung perbabasan nya? S.O. 1 (2) berbuoyi : "In Committee atau perdebatan berkenaan dengan bacaan a seconder 3shall not be required." kali kedua Rang Undang-undang Perlem bagaan (Pindaan). Dijemput Ahli Yang Ber Tuan Haji Subaimi bin Datuk Haji bormat yang bendak berca.kap. Kamaruddio: Boleh saya bacakan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua? Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Payang. Tuan Haji Sohaiml bin Datuk Hejl Tuan Yang di-Pertoa: Boleh. Cuba baca Kamaruddin (Sepang): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Standing Order itu. on a point of order. Saya suka menarik perhatian Tuan Yang di-Pertua kepada Tuan Haji Subaimi bin Datuk Haji 31 (2) . Kamaruddin: 36 (2) Peraturan Mesyuarat . . . Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menyatakan bahawa: Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Peraturan bilangan "36 (2) Tidak boleh disebutkan apa-apa berapa? perkara yang sedang dalarn timbangan Tuan Haji Subaimi bin Datuk Haji mahkarnah sekira-sekira pada timbangan Pengerusi harus merosakkan kepentingan Kamaruddin: 31 Pecahan (2) dibaca dengan kepentingan pihak yang berbicara Peraturan 36 Pecahan itu." (II) .... Kemudian 36 (II) menyatakan babawa : Tuan Yang di-Pertua: 31 Pecahan (2). "36 Jika pada timbangan Tuan Yang Tuan Haji Suhaimi bin Datuk Haji di-Pertua(II) bahawa apa-apa usu! atau Kamaruddin: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya pindaan atau perbabathan yang akan di merujuk kepada Artikel 125 Perlembagaan jalankan lagi di atas usu! atau pindaan dan saya berpendapat bahawa Artikel 125 itu tujuannya melanggar Peraturan ini, adalab melanggar peraturan itu oleh kerana maka Tuan Yang di-Pertua berkuasa boleh Artikel 125 adalah iaitu Artikel menolak usu! atau pindaan itu ikut mana 125 ini adalah berkaitansub judice dengan satu kes. yang dikehendaki ..... " Ada kaitannya yang mana seorang Hakim Mahkamah Persekutuan (Federal Court) ia Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Tadi saya tengok itu Justice Raja Tan Sri Azlan Shah telab Standing Order 31 (2) disebutkan : mendengar satu kes sebagai Hakim Mab kamah Tinggi dalam membicarakan Datuk "31 (2) Dalam Persidangan Jawatankuasa, Harun dan oleh kerana Artikel 125 ini ada tidak dikehendaki penyokong." kaitan dengan kes itu. maka saya berpen Betulkah Standing Order itu Yang Ber dapat Artikel 125 ini adalah sub dan hormat? haruslah tidak dibincangkan. iudice Tuan Haji Suhaimi bin Datuk Haji Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Yang Berhormat 31 (2)? Kamaruddin: Maafkan saya, 36 (2) dan 36 merujuk kepada Standing Order (11). Tuan Haji Suhaimi bin Datuk Haji Kamaruddin: 31 Pecahan (2) dibaca dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua: 36 (2)- 36 (11). S.O. Pecahan "36 (2) Tidak boleh disebutkan apa-apa perkara yang sedang dalam timbangan Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Bagaimana bunyi mahkamah sekira-sekira pada timbangan nya? Pengerusi harus merosakkan kepentingan Tuan Haji Suhaimi bin Datuk Haji kepentingan pihak yang berbicara itu." Kamaruddin: 36 (2) menyatakan bahawa ... Betullah Standing Order itu, jikalau sesiapa sebutkan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua boleh larang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Standing Order 31 itu makna Standing Order itu. J ikalau se Pecahan (2) betulkah itu? siapa Ahli Yang Berbormat sebut, Tuan Yang di-Pertua boleb larang-jangan di Tuan Haji Suhaimi bin Datuk Haji sebut, kerana perkara ini sedang daJarn per Kamaruddio: Ya. timbangan mahkamab-bolehlab, itu selcsai 2135 13 JULAI 1976 :Zl36 malrnanya. Selain daripada itu, apa yang Yang di-Pertuan Agong bendaklab dite disebutkan oleb Yang Berhormat mengeoai mukakan kepada Baginda. Ini munskin akan Undang-undang Tubuh tadi? melambatkan pengurusan routine di tiap tiap State. Tuan Haji Subaimi bin Datuk Haji Kamaruddin: Article I 25A adalab sub Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sungguh ber 6 dalam iaitu yang memberi Iruasa Mabkamab Persejudice sukacita babawa clause Rang kutuan, memberi kuasa-kuasa kepada Hakim Undang-undang ini dikemukakan oleh Kera tabniab Mabkamab Tinggi dan Article I 25A adalab jaan Pusat dan saya memberi ucapan sub yang setinggi-tingginya. judice. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu peristiwa telab Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Jikalau sekiranya berlaku di Negeri Sarawak beberapa tabun mana-mana Ahli Yang Berhormat tidak yang dahulu yang sempst saya cephlmn sebut satu-satu kes dengan tepatnya: kes iaitu beberapa orang anak-anak Y.ang ber itu apa, bilangannya berapa dan siapa di ugama lain telab dipaksa mengikut SCIO· pihaknya, itu tidak menjadi tegaban kepada babyang, mengikut adat-adat sesuatu upma Article 125A. yang tertentu di sebuab sekolab, dan ramai ibu bapa telah datang berjumpa dengan saya Tuan Haji Suhaimi bin Datuk Haji memberitahu tentang perkara ini. lbu bapa Kamaruddin: Saya serahkan kepada Tuan itu merayu kepada Ketua sekolab itu dan Yang di-Pertua. mereka telab diberitabu babawa ini adalah sekolah banya untuk satu Yang cll-Pertua: kasih. ataupun satu madzbab (ugama ip>l onpn TWUI Terima Ahli Kristian) dan Yang Berbormat dari Payang. tiap-tiap penuntut yang belajar di sekolab itu mestilab mengikut discipline dan aturan 3.45 pig. aturan di sekolab tersebut dengan tidak memandangkan kepada Perlembagaan kita. Datuk Patingi Haji Abdul-Rahman bin Jadi dengan adanya peruntukkan ini dan Ya'kub (Payang): Tuan Yang di-Pertua. peruntukkan-peruntukkan Iain dalam Per saya menyokong Rang Undang-undang Per lembagaan Persekutuan maka saya barap lembagaan (Pindaan) 1976, dan saya banya perkara yang seperti ini tidak berlaku lagi untuk memberi sedikit pandangan di atas di dalam negara kita, iaitu tiap-tiap murid satu dua clauses Rang Undang-undang ini. yang mempunyai ugama haruslab diberi ke bebasan untuk mengilrut upacara yang di· Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Oause 3 dalam benarkan oleh ugama itu sendiri dan tidak Rang Undang-undang ini, jika diluluskan dipaksa mengikut mana-mana upacara ugama oleh Dewan ini nanti, akan melantik Duli lain dan yang bertentangan dengan ugama Yang Maba Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda yang dianutinya sendiri. Yang di-Pertuan Agong sebagai Ketua Ugama di Negeri-negeri Melaka, Pulau Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa lcita telab Pinang, Sabab dan Sarawak. Saya men merdeka selama 19 tabun, saya scdar babawa cadangkan supaya Kerajaan Pusat memberi Jabatan Peguam Negara begitu sibok dengan pertimbangan mengadakan satu lagi per tugas-tugas, pegawai-pegawainya tidak cukup, untukkan di dalam fasal yang sama di bawab sehingga Attorney-General sendiri pun tidak perkara yang sama iaitu Fasal 3 dan Perkara bertambab beratnya dari masa menjalan· 3 dalam Perlembagaan Perselrutuan, supaya kan tugas babkan nampak semakin kurus membolehkan Duli Yang Maba Mulia Seri dari sehari ke sehari kerana kerja begitu Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong banyak. Dalam Rang Undang-undang ini untuk melantik seorang yang boleh menjalan istilab-istilah berlainan digunakan. Saya kan tugas setiap hari mengenai perkara yang fabam tentang sebab-sebabnya. Misalnya routine daripada negeri-negeri yang ber dalam Oause 28 masih lagi kita gunakan kenaan itu. Kalau saya tidak silap pen· istilab Mahkamah Tinggi di Borneo sedang talcrifan mengilrut peruntukan yang di kan dalam Oause yang lain, miaalnya Oause 43 cadangkan sekarang, tidak dibolehkan. kita mencadangkan begini : Maka ini bererti tiap-tiapini masaalab yang "43. Perlembagaan adalab dengan ini di berkaitan yang mengbendaki persetujuan pinda dengan menggantikan perkataan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda perkataan "Negeri' Borneo" di mana-maoa 2137 13 JULAI 1976 2138 jua ianya terdapat dalam Perlembagaan di Miri dalam bulan September, 1975. Maka dengan perkataan-perkataan "Negeri-negeri saya merasa agak terper jat sedikit bila � _ I Sabah dan Sarawak." saya melihat Clause 48 mt mengecuahkan Sarawak. Sabah saya tak tahu samada setu1u Tujuannya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ialah atau tidak kerana saya tidak mewakili Sabah, semata-mata supaya janganlah timbul suatu dengan cadangan tersebut Malangnya ketika perasaan di mana rakyat Malaysia di Rang Undang-undang ini mungkin dibincang Semenanjung ini mempunyai perasaan yang kan dalam Mesyuarat Majlis Raja-raja yang tersendiri daripada rakyat Malaysia yang lalu tadi. saya sendiri telah tidak dapat hadir duduk di Sabah dan Sarawak. Itulah sebab kerana kematian Almarhumah Datuk Ajibah nya Sabah dan Sarawak telah bersetuju Abo!. Jadi, saya barn nampak Rang Undang kepada pindaan yang sekarang masuk di 2 undang ini semalam. Saya haraplah semoga dalam Clause di dalarn Rang Undang Kerajaan Pusat akan memberi pertirnbangan undang ini. Saya harap Jabatan Peguam supaya menyamakan keadaan ini dengan Negara akan terns bernsaha untuk menyama seberapa cepat mungkin. Dari sehari ke se kan is tilah-istilah yang digunakan di dalam hari semakin banyak bangunan berbelas undang-undang kita supaya di satu tingkat atau berpuluh tingkat dibangunkan di negara nanti tidaklah dalam satu Oause kita meng Sabah dan Sarawak. Oleh yang demikian, guakan Borneo yang termasuk sebagai istilah Penguasa Tempatan (Local Authorities) tidak umum, provinsi di Indonesia, tetapi bagi berkemampuan untuk mengeluarkan perbe istilah ini kita sedar hanya termasuk Sabah lanjaan yang besar bagi menjaga perkhid dan Sarawak sahaja. matan pasukan bomba dan juga dari sehari ke sehari perkhidmatan ini merupakan satu Selain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkhidmatan yang penting dan perlu di ingin saya nyatakan bahawa sungguhpun selenggarakan oleh pakar-pakar berkenaan. boleh kita sokong dan saya terima mengenai Jadi, jika seperti yang ada di masa dahulu penggunaan Kepala Utama Negara atau dan sekarang tiap-tiap kawasan Local Kepala Negeri, tetapi ingin saya nyatakan Authority ataupun Local Council itu men bahawa di Negeri Sarawak perkataan jaga perkhidmatan bombanya sendiri, maka "Kepala" kita gunakan kepada seorang yang ini tidak akan memberi pertolongan besar teratas sekali kurang manis, agak kasar kepada kawasan-kawasan yang berkenaan. bunyinya. Jadi kita lebih suka menggunakan Jadi perlulah perkara ini di ambit alih oleh perkataan "Ketua Negeri" ataupun "Ketua Kerajaan Pusat. Memang biasanya Kerajaan Utama Negara". Bagaimanapun, ini ter Negeri enggan menyerahkan kuasa itu kepada serahlah kepada pihak pakar untuk meng Kerajaan Pusat, tetapi ini �tu perkara yang gunakan mana satu perkataan yang lebih telah dipersetujui lebih danpada dua tahun sesuai dilikirkan oleh mereka. dahulu. Ada negeri-negeri di Semenanjung ini meminta Kerajaan Pusat supaya mem Akhimya, saya ingin menyetuh kcpada hayar compensation kerana mengambil-alih 48 Clause dalam Rang Undang-undang ini. perkhidmatan itu. Bagi negeri Sarawak ktta Saya merasa dukacita sedikit kerana tidak tidak minta satu sen pun compensation, sempat pindaan dibuat kepada Clause ini. tetapi malangnya oleh kerana dalam Jabatan Sebenamya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berkenaan ada sedikit communication gap, adalah salah seorang yang telah menyarankan Sarawak telah dikeluarkan dari Rang ataupun mencadangkan supaya di scluruh Undang-undang ini. Saya merayulah kepada negeri Malaysia ini diadakan satu Public Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri Disaster Department yang akan mengurnskan supaya memberi pertimbangan untuk me perkara-perkara seperti yang terkandung 48 mindahkan peruntukan ini pada masa akan dalam Clause seperti Fire Brigade, traffic datang supaya dapatlah kita merasa nikmat accident dan kemalangan-kemalangan dalam daripada perkhidmatan ini seperti juga yang sungai dan di taut. Sebenamya lebih daripada akan dirasai oleh negeri-negeri lain di dua tahun dabulu dalam satu mesyuarat Malaysia ini. dengan Allahyarham Tun Haji Abdul Razak, saya telah bersetuju dan Kerajaan Pusat juga Selain dari itu, ada sedikit lagi, saya baru telah bersetuju supaya Perkhidmatan Bomba terbaca ucapan Ahli Yang Berhormat dari dan Pasukan Bomba di Sarawak juga di Sepang. Saya berterirna kasih kepada Ahli ambit oleh Kerajaan Pusat. Persetujuan ini Yang Berhormat itu bila beliau mengatakan telah sekali lagi diulangkan dalam mesyuarat Sabah dan Sarawak bagus-Alhamdulillab. 2139 13 JULAI 1976 2140 Tetapi Ahli Yang Berhormat itu meneruskan teruskan ucapan. saya harap dengan izin, ucapannya begini : "Adalah satu kenyataaa Tuan Yang di·Pertua. dapat saya men1111una· bahawa orang-orang di sioi takut juga, susah kan sedikit-sedikit bah&38 lnggcris. hati, bimbang juga bendak bcrkhidmat di Tuan (Thnbalan) Yang dl-Pertaa: Bolehl sana". Saya rasa selakat yang saya ketahui bukan di negeri Sarawak orang takut hendak Tu Sri Abdul Aziz bin Yeop: Tuan Y&1111 ke sana, orang suka hendak ke sana. Kita di-J>ertua, menurut apa yang disebut oleh sentiasa membuka pintu menerima dengan Yang Amat Berbormat Perdana Menteri baiknya pertolongan yang boleh diberi oleh semasa mengemukakan Rang UndanJ· saudara-saudara kita daripada Semenanjung Ahli undang ini semalam dalam Majlis yang 111ulia ini. Hatta, Yang Berhonnat sendiri ini segala butir-butir dan implikasi pindaan kalau beliau hendak kahwin di Ulu Belaga yang disyorkan telahpun dikaji dan diteliti pun. saya boleh carikan orang Kayan beri dia. secara halus dan mendalam selama lebih kepada kurang dua tahun. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini ada!ah satu akuan yang telah diberi dengan T- (11mbllllm).. Y dl-Pertu: Sedia berterus-terang daripada sumber Y80I kan rumah panjang dahulu I memang tahu dan faham bahawa pcrlem bagaan dan isi kandungan perlembagaan Datuk Patinai Haji Abdul-Rahman bin sesebuah negara adalah sacred dan adalah Ya'kub: Vacancy banyak, Tuan Yang di menjadi tunjang untuk menjamin kesela· Pertua. matan, ketenteraman dao kebahagian negara ini. O!eh itu. Tuan Yang di·Pertua, saya Saya juga sukacita sungguhpun perkara ini harap akuan yang telah diberi itu hendaklah telah diselesaikan oloh Tuan Yang di-Pertua ditenma dengan baik dan tidak semata-mata tadi, saya berasa agak hairan bahawa Yang dipennain-mainkan dan diejek�jekkan Berhonnat itu menyentuh Article l 25A dengan memberi gambaran yang bertujuan sebagai sub judice. Nampak saya perkara itu lebih-lebih lagi untuk melibatkan keyakinan tidal: ada kena-mengena dengan m•saalah dan kepercayaan ralryat terhada p pucuk kes yang dibicarakan sekarang ini. 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