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Center for Pacific War Studies Fredericksburg, Texas an Interview

Center for Pacific War Studies Fredericksburg, Texas an Interview

THE NATIONAL MUSEUM OF THE PACIFIC WAR (ADMIRAL NIMITZ MUSEUM)

Center for Pacific War Studies

Fredericksburg, Texas

An Interview with.

Gilbert H. Clark Oroville, California December 22, 2005 Pearl Harbor Survivor USS Helena CL-SO Supported Guadalcanal Landing 08/0711942 With Juneau when sunk Assigned to USS Franklin CV-13 Ten Battle Stan on Helena Several on Franklin My name is Richard Misenhimer and today is December 22, 2005. I am interviewing Mr.

Gilbert H. Clark by telephone. His address is: 6307 Woodman Drive, Oroville, California

95906. His phone number is area code 530-589-2716. This interview is in support of the

National Museum of Pacific Wars, Center for Pacific War Studies, for the preservation of historical information related to World War II.

Mr. Misenhimer

Gilbert I want to thank you for taking time to do this interview today and I want to thank you for your service to our country during World War II.

Mr. Clark

I wasn't alone though.

Mr. Misenhimer

No there were about 16 million altogether; but all of you; I have the greatest respect for all of you that were there. Now the first thing I need to do is read to you this agreement with the Nimitz Museum.

"Agreement read." Is that okay with you?

Mr. Clark

Yes, that sounds good.

Mr. Misenhimer

My first question is what is your birth date?

Mr. Clark

July 15, 1923.

Mr. Misenhimer

Where were you born? Mr. Clark

Detroit, Michigan.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you have brothers and sisters?

Mr. Clark

I had one brother.

Mr. Misenhimer

Was he in World War Il?

Mr. Clark

No he wasn't able to get in, he had medical probJems.

Mr. Misenhimer

Where did you go to high school?

Mr. Clark

There in Chicago.

Mr. Misenhimer

You were born in Detroit?

Mr. Clark

Yes but then I was kicked around a little bit and went to San Diego and lived there for a while. My mother and father had separated and my mother took me back to Chicago and dumped me out of the car and said~ "Live with your dad" and then we went from there.

Mr. Misenhimer

So you went with your father then?

2 Mr. Clark

Yes. I was nine years old then.

Mr. Misenhimer

Then you went to high school in Chicago; when did you finish there?

Mr. Clark

Last part of 1940. I went into the CC's. The part of the CCts that I was in, we didn't plant any trees. They had us building reservoirs out in the desert up there in Idaho and in the

Forest Service they had a camp and we were in for fighting forest fires.

Mr. Misenhimer

Now that was the Civilian Conservation Corps they called it I believe.

Mr. Clark

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

Yes, as I mentioned last night in certain places they did plant trees.

Mr. Clark

Oh yes, they had projects for us. For a bunch of kids they sure kept us busy.

Mr. Misenhimer

When did you go into that?

Mr. Clark

Right after I got out of high school; it was July of 1940.

Mr. Misenhimer

How long were you in that?

3 Mr. Clark

Six months. Then I got out of that and then right into the Navy.

Mr. Misenhimer

What date did you join the Navy.

Mr. Clark

July the 23rd I think it was of 1941.

Mr. Misenhimer

How did you choose the Navy?

Mr. Clark

I got out of the CC's or was coming back from the CC's and the Anny recruiters were up and down the train all the time going from Idaho to Chicago. I don't know I just didn't care for it and I kind of leaned toward the Navy. Nobody else in my family was ever in it but it was just a preference I had.

Mr.Misenhimer

Where did you join, there in Chicago?

Mr. Clark

Yes. I went to Great Lakes Naval Training Station and went through it.

Mr. Misenhimer

Tell me about your boot camp there at Great Lakes.

Mr. Clark

It was like all the rest of the boot camps you know. When you first go in you went into what they called the detention area, where you didn't have any liberties or anything. Then after three weeks of that they put you into what they called the paradise area. You could

4 get off on weekends and stuff if you behaved yourself and didn't get into any trouble. It was a good training. My thoughts when I was riding the train in the CC's and all of this was going on I thought, "I'm going to get some place and get in and get trained before we get into the war." I was just sure we were going to get in it. Then I did and of course I was aboard and trained and knew what I was supposed to be doing.

Mr. Misenhimer

In your boot camp, your drilJ instructors, were they Marines or were they Navy?

Mr. Clark

They were Navy Chiefs. The Chief we had for our company commander, his name was

Duncan and he bad spent one full cruise in the China station. He was quite a guy.

Mr. Misenhimer

How strict were they on you?

Mr. Clark

Pretty strict; not like the Marines but we were close to it We adhered to all the rules and regulations. They get you trained that way so you start behaving and listening to them.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you have any kind of weapons training?

Mr. Clark

Ob yes. We had the old 30.06 Springfield rifle that was assigned to us while we were in boot camp. Then we did firing range twice I think it was. Then one time they took us to, well Lake Michigan was right there and they had a set up there and had a 5 inch gun there mounted on a platform type thing, floating, and we would fire that thing at a target.

5 Mr. Misenhimer

Did you have knot tying?

Mr. Clark

Oh yes. they went through al) that knot stuff; all the regular classroom stuff. They had swimming and diving down in the pool and picking up a rubber brick and bringing it to the top and stuff like that

Mr. Misenhimer

How long was that boot camp?

Mr. Clark

Three months.

Mr. Misenhimer

What was your pay when you first went in, do you recall?

Mr. CJark

$21 once a month.

Mr. Misenhimer

Big pay (laughing). Of course back in those days you bad all your room and board and everything else.

Mr. CJark

Oh yes we made out pretty good.

Mr. Misenhimer

But they had certain deductions I think from it didn' t they?

Mr. Clark

Yes. The Navy never did give; you had had to pay for your clothes.

6 Mr. Misenhimer

Oh did you, okay.

Mr. Clark

After we got sunk and lost all our clothes there, they did issue us a credit in clothing and we could go ahead and buy it and it was charged off.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you first went in, your initial issue, was that charged to you or did you have to pay for that?

Mr. Clark

No. lbat one wasn't but after that if you needed new shoes you paid for them, or socks or anything.

Mr. Misenhimer

When I was in the Anny it was the same thing. I think we got a small clothing allowance,

I'm not sure.

Mr. Clark

Later on, I think it was after the war started, we got a clothing allowance. It wasn't very much, but it did help.

Mr. Misenhimer

Anything else that you recall from your time in boot camp?

Mr. Clark

No. It was awful strict. You didn't do anything on your own. When I moved, well the company moved out of detention over into what they called paradise, there was a soda fountain in that area. Another fellow and I went to it to have an ice cream cone and the

7 Chief, our company commander seen us there and because we didn't get permission he told us to give our names to the company clerk when we got back. So we did and by God at 11 :30 they shook us out of our bunks and we had to make up our sea bags seagoing style and carry it from the Administration Building to the main gate for four hours.

(laughing) We behaved ourselves after that; we got permission for everything.

J'vfr. fviisenhimer

Yes, they were teaching you to follow orders. fvir. Clark

Yes that was the main thing. Of course, then you weren't picking it up, but a little Jater you picked it up. f\.1r. Misenhimer

Then when you finished boot camp, where did you go, or what happened?

Mr. Clark

I went to San Diego and I was assigned to the Helena and went up to Mare Island and got aboard her. fvir. Misenhimer

Did you have any special schooling along the way?

Mr. Clark

They sent me to an optical school at f\.1are Island because I was in the firecontrol gang and a rangefmder operator so they sent me to optical school

Mr. Misenhimer

Okay, back to when you were in boot camp, could you go home at any time?

8 Mr. Clark

No, not for three tn?nths. Not until you got into what they called the paradise area and then if everything went well you couJd get a weekend off once in a while. I think I only got to Chicago once.

Mr. Misenhimer

Yes, it's not that far, what 40 or 50 miles?

Mr. Clark

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Mr. Misenhimer

How did you travel to San Diego?

Mr. Clark

By train.

Mr. Misenhimer

How was that train trip?

Mr. CJark

This was before the war and we had pretty good trains. We had sleeping compartments and ate in a regular dining room car. I couldn't complain about that. We kind of traveled in first class. It wasn't like just getting in a boxcar and going; it was pretty decent.

Mr. Misenhimer

And the food was pretty good on the train, right?

Mr. Clark

Yes, they fed us good. Of coW"Se you know the Navy had that thing about Wednesday having beans and Saturday mornings for breakfast. The train tried it and the guy running

9 the show he raised helf and we didn't get any more beans. (laugh)

Mr. Misenhimer

When you got to San Diego what did you do there?

Mr. Clark

We just got the transfer up to Mare Island up to the Helena.

Mr. Misenhimer

Okay, so you didn't stay there for any length of time?

Mr. Clark

No. Then it was called a destroyer base and then finally it went to a repair base and all that. No, it was just a short time. Of course I did wind up in the hospital for a while. I got rheumatic fever and went to San Diego Naval Hospital and then up to the Helena. I went aboard the Helena in July of 1941.

Mr. Misenhimer

When did you go into the Navy, July of 1940?

Mr. Clark

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

You said 1941 earlier but it was 1940?

Mr. Clark

No, it was February of 1941 .

Mr. Misenhimer

Oh, it February of 1941 that you went into the Navy.

10 Mr. Clark

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

Okay, you had mentioned July earlier but it was February.

Mr. Clark

July came up I think because of the CCC's.

Mr. Misenhimer

So you had to spend how long in the hospital there then?

Mr. Clark

Just a little over two months.

Mr. Misenhimer

So you were in San Diego that length of time before you went to Mare Island?

Mr. Clark

Yes. I went aboard ship, again that July seems to work on everything but that's when I went aboard the Helena there at Mare Island.

Mr. Misenhimer

July of 1941 on the Helena?

Mr. Clark

Yes. I left there right after I got out and she was in for an overhaul and stuff and we went right out to Hawaii.

Mr. Misenhimer

When did you go to the optical school?

11 Mr. Clark

Just as soon as I got up there. The optical school was right there at Mare Island.

Mr. Misenhimer

How long was it?

Mr. Clark

Maybe a month.

Mr. Misenhimer

So then you got on it in July and then about a month later you left for Hawaii then?

Mr. Clark

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you went to Hawaii were you with other or by yourself?

Mr. Clark

No, we were cruising along by ourselves.

Mr. Misenhimer

What was your position on the Helena?

Mr. Clark

When I first went aboard of course Seaman Second Class, I did all of the routine stuff from messenger watches and stuff like that but I was in the firecontrol gang. So I got to be a rangefinder operator in it. When I was standing messenger watches on the bridge you have to do at sea and port and I manned the range five they called it on the bridge to keep our positions if we were with our ships or if we were going into the harbor why the officer of the would say, "Range on such and such." So they would get the ship in

12 position to get in and out. And then if we did work with a task force or anything you had a position to hold and you would range on certain ships to make sure you didn't creep up on them or lag back.

:rvfr. Jvlisenhllner

Anything in particular happen on the trip over to Pearl Harbor?

Mr. Clark

No, just I was surprised how far it was with no land. Everybody was that way; but we had a good crew.

:rvfr. Misenhimer

About when did you arrive in Pearl Harbor?

Mr. Clark

Probably about the first of August. We were in Cruiser Division Nine when we got there with the Boise and the Honolulu and the St. Louis. The St. Louis was a sister ship to the

Helena and the Phoenix. But after the 71h there was no more Cruiser Division Nine; we were busted all up and went in different directions.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you first got to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii what did you do then?

Mr. Clark

Just wherever the ship took us. We were doing all kinds of training and stuff within our small task force. We did take one to Vladivostok, Russia. We made a trip there with a couple of ships that later we were convoying them but during that you were just with them to be sure they got there I guess.

13 Mr. Misenhimer

This was before Decembet' 7~

Mr. Clark

Oh yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

Would you all go out on various practice type things around the islands there?

Mr. Clark

Yes. They were always doing target practice. We would go down towards American

Samoa to do the 6 inch practice and stuff like that; but for antiaircraft and stuff like that we would be out around Hawaii.

Mr. Misenhimer

The Helena was a , right?

Mr. Clark

No, a light cruiser; fifteen 6 inch and eight 5 inch.

Mr. Misenhimer

What was the CL number?

Mr. Clark

CL-50.

Mr. Misenhimer

Anything else happen before December 7th?

Mr. Clark

No that was just our routine schedule of ins and outs. We would form up a task force and do a certain practice running around but nothing ofany problems or anything.

14 :rvtr. ?vf isenhiIDer

Did you have a chance to go into Honolulu?

Mr. Clark

Oh yes, we went in. AnytiIDe you had liberty that was the only place to go. We spent most of the time at the Pineapple Place that was kind of on the way from Pearl Harbor into Honolulu. Everything was free when you went there.

:rvtr. ?vfisenhiIDer

Honolulu was a pretty small town then wasn't it?

Mr. Clark

Yes it was and the streets were narrow and all that. I didn't care for it too much. We did go to Waikiki Beach because that wasn't too far away and it was a better beach. It had sand instead of the lava.

Mr. Misenhimer

Have you been back to Hawaii since the war?

Mr. Clark

No. I've been back through there; just before I got discharged I was in the hospital in

Hawaii up at Aiea Heights for about a month. One other time I was just passing through is all. I never went after I got out of the service. I had enough of it.

Mr. Misenhimer

I guess the next thing is December T1', is that right?

:rvtr. Clark

Yes.

15 Mr. Misenhimer

Ten me about that.

Mr. Clark

111 On the 7 , my battle station was on the computer in the forward fire control station. That was my regular battle station so I was going up to it and the officer in the director, sky forward, he knew I could operate that stereoscopic rangefinder and he hollered at me to get up there and get on the rangcfinder. That put me on the rangefinder for the rest of the war. (laugh) Then when radar came on I would do both because it was right there in the director with you. Sometimes I would be on the rangefinder in the turret. There at Pearl that was my first time. We did get credit for a couple aircraft not that I shot them down9 but I was rangjng on them anyway.

Mr. Misenhimer

So that was your first notice that the Japs had attacked or what?

Mr. Clark

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

You were heading for your battle station anyway before this?

Mr. Clark

Yes. Like I said my battle station was up in the superstructme in the forward fire control station. The old time computers they had in there took about six men to run them. I was on the side angle sight deflection side of the computer where you had to crank them in and stuff like that.

16 Mr. Misenhimer

When did you first find out that the Japanese were attacking?

Mr. Clark

I was standing at my locker getting dressed getting ready to go to Nanakuli Beach, I don't know if you've ever heard about that. It was a Navy recreational place. Every once in a while they would let a few of us go over there for three days. It was my tum and I was getting ready to go to Nanakuli Beach when they blew general quarters. That stopped all of that stuff.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you have any idea why they were blowing general quarters?

Mr. Clark

Yes. The Boatswain Mate got on and said, "The Japanese are now bombing Ford Island."

Everybody down below decks thought at first that it was just more drills they were pulling. Because they did pull an abandon ship drill one time when we were at sea, they said, "Abandon ship and provide." A whole bunch of us didn't know what they meant,

''provide". They hauled us off in those motor launches again and you had to jump over and get in the ocean and wait unti1 they got all of the crew they wanted off the ship. You floated around in your lifejacket until they came and picked you up. That was it and then they picked us up and took us back to the ship. Their training was pretty good and it worked out. Our gunnery crew on the Helena and the loaders and what have you, lots of times we fired long bombardment and different things, 1,000 rounds of that 6 inch in nine minutes. Our gunnery officer, as soon as that was done the night before, or whenever we got into it, he would have practice at the loading machines. We would go back out and

17 they would have to get on them and we would practice some more. The projectile on the

6 inch was about 135 pounds and the loader on that would come up the tube and he would get it in his arms and then he had to make a half turn and drop it in the breech.

Then to be able to fire 1,000 rounds of 6 inch out of fifteen guns in nine minutes; that's doing a good job.

Mr. Misenhimer

Man, that's really putting them through there. Where was the Helena anchored at?

Mr. Clark

She was at the machine shop docks, the 10-10 docks. I was ranging on the second wave and he was coming down and he dropped his bombs at his. I had him on the rangefinder and ranged it and I felt sure that we were going to be done for with him but they straddled us. One went into the water on the starboard side and the other one hit the dock but there were big transformers there for our dock power. It hit them and blew them all apart. Then later during the war we got some captured film and I saw from his guns, or however they took their pictures, him diving down on the Helena and you talk about being surprised when you it see from that angle, him dropping the bombs at us; it really shocked us seeing it. They were good pictures. Those Japs knew how to take pictures.

Mr. Misenhimer

Were these still pictures or moving pictures?

Mr. Clark

This was movies.

Mr. Misenhimer

Then when did your ship get hit there?

18 Mr. Clark

We took a torpedo in the forward engine and boiler rooms. Then the Oglala which was a mine layer was tied up abreast of us and the concussion from our taking that explosion, because she was an old wooden ship, kind of opened her up some and she started listing towards us. The tug boat came and pushed her astern of us so she wouldn't tangle up on our decks. The crew of the Oglala were a pretty good bunch. They came over to the

Helena for a few days there. They said they were the only ship that died of fright; it was from the concussion of that darned torpedo. They did a good job; I don't know how much

TNT they carried in them things but it sure blew a hole in us, the forward engine room, the boiler room and blew them all to heck.

Mr. Misenhimer

Is that where your friend McClelland was blown into the air?

Mr. Clark

Yes when we took that torpedo yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

Tell me that story again.

Mr. Clark

Well the messengers, and that's he and I were Second Class you know, and you would do three month's duty and we were doing court messenger watch at that time, take care of what all the Officer of the Deck, whoever he is, chasing around different things going on.

But at 8:00, when the colors go up, the duty of the messenger of the watch is to raise the

Union Jack on the bow and he was going up to raise the Union Jack when we took that torpedo and it threw him up and he came down. But that poor guy, can you imagine? All

19 day he couldn't get around. Finally some guy asked him why he was laying there and he

said, "I can't walk." He took him to the dock. You can get a hold of Charles and he'll tell l you about it. He had quite an experience. I Mr. Misenhimer You said that his leg was broken and his hip was broken?

Mr. Clark

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

That's where his brother was burned also? I Mr. Clark I Yes. In our living compartment, to go topside you had a companionway that ran down and it was kind of open, well everything was open on the ship then. But the hatchways l from the forward boiler room and engine room were all open and from that explosion I everybody that was in that companionway got burnt I mean when you get burned with a blast it just takes the bide right off of you. It took ears off and everything else. I was

surprised. I have a picture of James McClelland, that's the one that got burnt so bad, but

you would never know that he was like he was when I saw him last. But I don't know,

they had some good doctors and they did a good job on him.

Mr. Misenhimer

I'm looking at a map of Pearl Harbor and it shows the Oglala but it doesn't show the

Helena, but you were right next to the Oglala then, right?

Mr. Clark

Yes, we were tied up right at the dock at 10-10. Ten Dock it is called, or it was then.

20 Right ahead of us was a submarine tied up and ahead of that was into the dry dock where

the Pennsylvania and then the Cassin and then the Downes were there. We were right \ behind them.

\ Mr. Misenhimer And the California was just across the way from you?

Mr. Clark

Yes she was across the way and then of course the Pennsylvania was trying to get out and

she got hit bad and was almost ready to plug up the channel going out when the tug boats \ pushed her out of the way. l Mr. Misenhimer The Nevada also tried to get out and had to get pushed over. \ Mr. Clark I Yes. I Mr. Misenhimer Did you see many of the other ships get hit?

Mr. Clark

Yes, being up on that rangefinder, right up in the director you could see the whole Pearl

Harbor and we were not too far away from battleship row and the fires over there. And of

course Ford Island, we could see.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you see the Arizona when it exploded?

Mr. Clark

Yes. Like I say we were just across the street from them really. We were just a little bit

21 south of them. It was pretty close quarters in there. Then the sub base was right across

from battleship row. We were right there. Then the Shaw, it was a destroyer, it was in

floating dry dock off to the starboard side of us, not too far.

\ Mr. Misenhimer How many airplanes did you all shoot at that day? \ Mr. Clark

t Gee I don't know. We were just picking up targets of anything we could. When we first

started out we were firing some of the practice ones because they couldn't get to the \ regular projectiles, but the drill loading projectiles, they fired all them out and then finally

got opened up. The rules were when you got into a working area like the 10-10 dock, our

anchor windlass went out was why we were there, but all your ammunition and

magazines and everything is locked up and secured. It was just harder to get to them. We

\ didn't get to our regular projectiles and the time fused ones until we fired all the practice I stuff. Mr. Misenhimer

So you were at your battle station then the entire attack?

Mr. Clark

Yes; all that day and danm near all that night. They did bring sandwiches to us once in a

while.

Mr. 1'.1isenh.irner

How badly was the Helena damaged?

Mr. Clark

Real bad. They moved us into dry dock and then just welded plates over the hole. We lost

22 I think, I'm not sure about the amount killed but I think it was 54 and then of course the

ones that were burnt so bad. In nonnal conditions, afterwards everything is closed up and

locked tight on the ship and if you get hit it is kind of contained in a certain area, but the

\ ship was wide open; nothing was closed off. The explosion when it went through caught everybody in the passageway there; it was loaded. I saw the passage way was full and

I they were trying to get through so I went straight up through officer's country to the next

deck above us. Running messenger watches I knew that ship inside and out and I went up

through the escape hatch that way and up to the main deck and then up to the sky forward

to my battle station up there.

Mr. Misenhimer I I understand there were two attacks that day, is that right? Mr. Clark

\ Yes, the first attack came in right there about 8:00 and nobody was looking at watches or

anything, but we had a little lull. We were gathering up and getting things straightened up

and here they came again. The second one was mostly the dive bombers and sru.ff.

Mr. Misenhimer

I hear them talking about high level bombers there; but these were all single engine is that

right?

Mr. Clark

Everything I saw was a single engine. There were no bombers with twin engines or four

engine or anything. When they came in; have you ever been to Hawaii, to Pearl? Mr. IVlisenhirner

Yes.

23 I Mr. Clark You know to the north of you that big mountain up there is always covered with clouds,

\ they came in through that and down into Pearl.

Mr. Misenhimer

You didn't see them coming, right.

Mr. Clark

Yes. I watched that area and watched them come in and we set up a barrage up there for

them to run into I guess. They had a good crew on her. (The Og/ala.). They said she died

of fright (laugh). She was tied right abreast of our starboard side. When the I pushed her back because she was coming over on us, they pushed her back, that's when she finally coughed up and went the rest ofthe way down. \ Mr. Misenhimer

Did your ship sink?

Mr. Clark

We were sitting on the bottom.

Mr. Misenhimer

You were in pretty shallow water?

Mr. Clark

Yes, we were right there. Then after they got the metal welded to plug up the hole and

pumped out why we could get up enough and go into the dry dock and then they finished

up and jwtlced out what they could in the forward engine room and boiler room. But I'll

tell you the ride back home to the States, that was touch and go. Boy being out of balance

and losing those engines; you only had the two screws, four screws really but they wiped

24 out two. We were doing 30 degree rolls, 30 and 32 degree rolls and boy you couldn't even sit on deck because you would skid across it. They kept saying the 32 shouldn't roll over. We made it all the way in. Even though when we got back to Mare Island for repairs our whole engine and boiler room, a brand new one was sitting on the dock. Boy it didn't take no time, all they had to clean up the junk and garbage sitting in there you know and put the new stuff in.

Mr. Misenhimer

Back to December 7th, you said something last night about the tug boats.

Mr. Clark

Yes. You know it just bothers me because those guys are running around there and their officers did have .45's but that's about the only gun they had onboard, in our case they came in there and got the Og/ala and they were all over Pearl. Where the big fire was going on over at the Arizona, they were over there when they didn't have ships to move around, to push out of the way. They had their fire hoses going. Nobody ever gives them any credit like we didn't even have any there. It just kind of bothers me that they didn't even mention at least how well those handled things. If that Pennsylvania would've swung and closed off the harbor there, none of the ships would have been able to get out It just didn't seem fair to me that they didn't at least mention that they had them and they were working.

Mr. Misenhimer

That's right. I haven't heard much about them at all.

Mr. Clark

Yes.

25 Mr. Misenhimer ' You spent that day and that night at your battle station; then what happened the next day? \ Mr. Clark

\ We were just kind of cleaning up the ship and talcing care of the wounded You still stood your watches. I think we were four on, four off. But when you were off the four you were t doing the clean up and seeing that the wounded were taken care of. We had a mess of

\ them burnt, it was really bad. The Naval hospital at Pearl before the war was just a few cottages along the way when you came in. It wasn't much of a hospital; not like it is now

I at Aiea.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you help to pull any of the wounded out of the water or anything like that?

Mr. Clark

If they saw you not doing something, I don't know, I think it was the next day, we were

taking four or five of our burnt guys to the Relief, it was a hospital ship that was there.

When we were going over there we picked up maybe two or three bodies, something like

that. But then the Boatswain Mate, this was a 50 foot motor launch, when we were

scrambling around, kicked the grappling hook thing off and when we were trying to get

to the hospital ship something was pulling us away and it was one of those damn two

man subs. They got word to one of the little sub chasers there and they came and dropped

a depth bomb on it.

Mr. Misenhimer

So your grappling hook caught onto that sub?

26 I Mr. Clark Yes. Things were pretty hectic there. l Mr. Misenhimer I This was the second day, December 8th? Mr. Clark

I Yes. On the Helena we carried two SOC airplanes for observations. We sent them out to

check and see where the Japs were. I mean we didn'~ but whoever was controlling

everything. But when they came back in everybody was trying to shoot them down. But

they made it.

Mr. Misenhimer

I understand on the night of December 7dt that several planes from the carriers came in

and were shot down?

Mr. Clark

I don't know who started that but they were clear in San Diego, the Saratoga and the

Lexington.

Mr. Misenhimer

One of them was on the way to Midway and one was on the way to Wake.

Mr. Clark

But they hadn't left San Diego yet. Like I say being a firecontrolman up there I had

beautiful views of everything everyday. We didn't get to secure everything. It was either

stand at general quarters or condition two, 4 hours on, 4 hours off at our battle stations.

Mr. Misenhimer

When did the carriers come back into Pearl Harbor then?

27 Mr. Clark

The Lexington was about three days later. I'm sure that if we had our own planes coming in from someplace they would have notified us. But anything that flew, like our little

SOC's, you shot at them. The Anny had set up guns around Pearl too. They were helping out firing too.

Mr. Misenhimer

When did you all finally leave Pearl Harbor to come back to the States?

Mr. Clark

I couldn't tell you. It was probably better than a month because it took quite a while for them to get the ship closed up and welded up the place on the side and the junk from the boiler room.

Mr. Misenhimer

So probably after the first of the year then?

Mr. Clark

Oh yes. But it was a surprise. We thought when we got to Mare Island it was going to be something; but right at the dry dock. When we got to Mare Island the first thing we did was go into dry dock and everything was sitting on the dock. We went in there and they had everything ready.

Mr. Misenhimer

During that month then you just basically stood watches on your ship is that right?

Mr. Clark

Yes.

28 I Mr. Misenhimer Did you get liberty at all to go into town or anything>

I Mr. Clark I No. There was no liberty at all off the ship that I recall. Because of everything there was even in Honolulu they had a few problems in there. We had plenty to take care of

ourselves you know.

Mr. Misenhimer

Anything else that you recall from that attac~ or that month you were there?

Mr. Clark

No, I think everything was covered pretty much on the 7lh. It was just afterwards you

know, you've got to clean up everything and get going you know. We had to get our ship

in shape just to even come home. (tape side ended)

Mr. Misenhimer

Okay you said that when they opened the compartments up the bodies were still there and

the stink was bad, so what did they put down?

Mr. Clark

What they called a sulfur blanket to absorb the smell. Then we couldn't eat aboard ship

because of the bad fumes and stuff. They had a ferryboat, I can't remember the name of

it, but it was from San Francisco, and in fact we slept on that for a while when they were

getting everything cleaned up and shipshape again. Then the heating was off for a good

two weeks on this little ferryboat. We like to have frozen to death on that ferryboat.

Because it was all wide open.

29 Mr. Misenhimer

About how long were you there at Mare Island then?

Mr. Clark

Maybe two months. They were working around the clock on it; three shifts were going all the time. That's why they took us off because they were using chipping hammers and with everything else going on you couldn't sleep anyway. They got that ferryboat there and put us aboard it.

Mr.Misenhimer

Anything else you recall from your time there at Mare Island?

Mr. Clark

No. It was just that everybody was working there, there was nobody goofing around there or anything; it was strictly business. One time I drew the watch on the back of the ship while it was in dry dock. Nobody was supposed to cross the back of the ship there. It was at night and one of the yard workmen did, and if I would have been a jumpy guy, I would have probably shot him, but anyway, it scared the hell out of me. He said, "I want to get through here." Because everything was supposed to be secured here. They had workmen, that as far as I was concerned, they really turned to and work.

Mr. Misenhimer

Then when you left there where did you go?

Mr. Clark

Noumea, New Caledonia. We stopped at Pearl to refuel again and then went to Noumea. I have to back off on that. Espiritu Santo was close to Guadalcanal and that was kind of our port we would go into to refuel and take on supplies and ammunition. It wasn't too far

30 from there to Guadalcanal.

Mr. Misenhimer

So did you go to Noumea or did you go to Espiritu Santo?

Mr. Clark

Espiritu Santo. Noumea in November sometime. November 13th and 14th we had a battle with the Japs. After that they did let us go down to Noumea and really get some supplies and some food and stuff.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you left Mare Islan~ you went down to the New Hebrides to Espiritu Santo?

Mr. Clark

Yes. That was kind of our in and out port all the time. When we would get a call, when the Japs were coming down to Guadalcanal, we would slip up there to meet them.

Mr. Misenhimer

How long did it take you to go from Mare Island down to Espiritu Santo?

Mr. Clark

Well we stopped at Pearl again, but we were only in there maybe a day, a day and a half.

Then about five days, maybe six days and we got down into that part of the world. Then we knew we were in dangerous waters and we were standing condition two watches, you know four on, four off.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you went down there, were you by yourself or were you with some other ships?

Mr. Clark

No, we were all alone. There weren't many ships around at the first part of that war. In

31 I I fact one time, after one battle, that November battle, the Helena and two destroyers were the only ones runnins around there. They really kept us busy. That was the one that the

San Francisco got shot up so bad. This was her and then the Juneau that was sunk. There

' was one thing that I could not believe. When the sub attack started they said a torpedo

wake was on our port side. I was in sky aft on watch. We had been watching the

I signalman on the ship and they had got hit a few times and needed some medical I assistance and stuff. We were watching him and he was standing on what I would call Mount Three and doing the wig wag signaling of what they could send over and stuff and

the torpedo hit that ship and everybody in the director, even our control officer couldn't

believe it, when that smoke cleared from that explosion of that ship, there was nothing

there. Our Skipper was senior officer afloat then because the San Francisco lost their

Captain and the Admiral and everything else and he did, which everybody thought was

right, be made a tum to put our stem towards the sub attack. That ship just disappeared; it

was hard to believe.

Mr. Misenhimer

What ship was that?

Mr. Clark

The Juneau. It really makes you think a little bit then. A ship like the Juneau, they had

everything; depth charges, torpedoes and 5 inch gWls and everything else; they were just

armed to the teeth. The torpedo that hit her just went across our stem, just missed us by

300 or 400 feet and hit the Juneau. Even the control officer, he said, "Keep on it, keep on

it." We were looking for survivors after the explosion. I thought maybe that signalman

would make it being he was standing on top of that moWlt. It was about the same

32 elevation as their bridge. Bu_t boy, we couldn't see nothing. That was really hard to believe.

Mr. Misenhimer

I understand there were some survivors but the commander of yotir task force wouldn't let you stop to pick them up. Is that right?

Mr. Clark

The San Francisco was really out of commission and then we had the Helena and two destroyers. The destroyers didn't have any sounding gear for the subs at all, or sonar.

That was about the only ships. When we came out of that three day battle down there north of Guadalcanal we had lost three or four of the heavy cruisers because it was quite a battle. That battle I was in turret four on the range finder there and we took a hit on the face plate of the turret. Boy you talk about ringing your bell. But it didn't penetrate because it was six inches of class A armor on that turret. But if it had been on the backside it would probably have hit me right in the butt.

Mr. Misenhimer

You must have gotten down to Espiritu Santo somewhere like April?

Mr. Clarie

I couldn't say for sure. We would be in and out of there. We would just go in to get fuel and get supplies or if there were some repairs to be made. We didn't get to dilly-dally when we would go in. We were in and out. Sometimes we would meet other ships other places. In the first Invasion of Guadalcanal we covered the landing on it but then we went back down to get some more ammunition and then the heavy cruisers finally showed up but they didn't last too long.

33 Mr. Misenhimer

Tell me about going up for the Guadalcanal Invasion.

Mr. Clark

We just did the bombarding like we were told to. Our gunnery officer aboard the Helena, of course you were always in contact with them with your headphones on, when I would range on the target area I would always crank in about a 100 feet more because every once in a while you would fire one that wouldn't quite travel like it should, so I would crank in a little extra. One time I cranked in some extra and they hit a magazine dump or something. You talk about explosions over there. For a while there we did have a lot of problems; if we were firing 2,000 yards we may get 1,500, but that got straightened out.

The thing that surprised me most, of course this was after I got on the Franklin, those proximity fuses they came out with for the 5 inch, instead if they happened to set the timing on the 5 inch it would go off at a certain elevation, the proximity fuse would go off on the vibration of the plane shooting. That really made a difference.

Mr. l\.1isenhimer

Were you up there for August 7, 1942 when they made the initial invasion on

Guadalcanal?

Mr. Clark

Yes, we covered the bombardment I don't know, maybe two or three days at different places where they would have us, not only the Helena but the group that we were with.

The Boise was with us and the St. Louis part time. The St. Louis they would send her off by herself a lot of times. But no they could cover all of it. When the Japs would come, at night they would kind of come down the slot, we called it, delivering more troops.

34 Having radar meant we could catch them and raise heck with them that way. That radar really helped. I understood that we were the first ship to be equipped with it. In our main battery director,-in.·. it there was a receiver right there. You operated at night time with radar and then pretty soon we got receivers and antiaircraft directors and everything. But

I was always told that the rangefinder operator could check back and forth with it. If you couldn't see, you could go on that and check the radar. We had to all be checked out. The

FBI went to Chicago to check me out to see that I could be trusted with that radar when they first put it aboard ship. The Franklin was something else. After being on a light cruiser and everything kind of balanced out and then you get aboard an and it's kind of one sided with the island and everything on one side; it was hard to get used to. The ship's company, I don't know about all of the carriers, but the ship's company on the Franklin were second cJass citizens. The Airdales and I don't begrudge them a thing. Those guys in those airplanes and stuff they earned their extra pay and their extra treatment and stuff but I just didn't like all of your ship's company and that kind of stuff. But we had to keep that ship there so they could come back to it. Those guys flying those airplanes on carriers and off of carriers, that was something else. There was one thing that still sticks with me. When we bad airplanes coming back and especially if they had crews like our dive bombers and the torpedo bombers you know, we had pilots come and make an excellent landing on the ship, catch the tail hook and the guy would run out there underneath the tail hook and motion the pilot to move ahead and he would be dead.

They had come in and this wasn't just one time. Tiris happened three or four times. The pilot would make it on that ship; a good landing and get his crew off and when they would go to get him out he would be dead. Another thing, when the airplanes would

35 come back they would have to make a fly by if they had damage and they would tell them, "You can make a parachute jump or a water landing." Because we had four destroyers that skirted us on the Franlclin at all times for these accidents. I never seen any of them make a parachute jump; they all took water landings and they were good at it. I don't know bow they trained them but they would come in; I saw one guy in a fighter plane and when he hit the water and then of course, right when he slid his hatch back, he would pull a handle and pull out the life raft. He got in that life right and never got wet; be didn't even get his feet wet. It was something else I thought. They would give them a choice, fly in or bail out but I never did see one bail out.

Mr. Misenhimer

Back on the Helena, you were talking about the battle in November of 1942, tell me about that.

Mr. Clark

That was just north of Guadalcanal.

Mr. Misenhimer

The Battle of Savo Island was it?

Mr. Clark

Yes. I think they called it the Savo Island Battle. We chased each other there for about three days. Most of the time when we would get into battles, maybe one time we had a daylight battle, but most of the times because of the radar we would try to get to them at night. One battle, I forget the date of it, it was when the Boise got shot up so bad. We were in a night battle and she turned on her search lights and man I guess just about every gun the Japs had opened up and the Boise did get hit bad that time. She had to come back

36 to the States to get fixed up. Thank God that we never had that. The searchlights, the arcs

would be on and ready if you had to use them, then all you had to do was open shutters

but we never did; we just relied on that radar. We had the search radar that would sweep

around and we had the rangefinder radar. So when they got within a certain range we

would pick them up. Of course they tried different things but once you got to operating

that radar you could figure out what was a friendly ship and what was a Jap.

Mr. Misenhimer

On that November battle, the Battle of Savo Island, was your ship hit there at all?

Mr. Clark

Yes. We took about 13 hits and one was right on the faceplate of the turret island. Then

we had to go down to Sidney, Australia and they welded us up and put us back together

and gave us a bottom job. That was one thing we knew we were going to have was a I bottom job to get the moss off and stuff. Here in the States all hands got in old clothes and scraped that bottom and painted it. In Australia when your ship went in their I shipyard, the crews there took care of it; you didn't touch your ship. It was all up to their I guys working; which tickled us to death. I Mr. Misenhimer I think in that battle you were tallcing about we lost two Admirals there. We lost Callahan

I and Scott is that right? I Mr. Clark Right. One was the Captain of the San Francisco and the other one was the Admiral. I Because on the San Francisco; they just damned near blew the bridge off of her. She took

a lot of hits. In fact I've got a San Francisco ship's paper that was printed thanking the \

37 Helena for standing by and covering; that was real nice.

Mr. Misenhimer

I think we lost the Atlanta there at that battle didn't we?

Mr. Clark

Yes. Then there were two others, the Chicago (heavy cruisers). Every time, I don't know

what it was but when we met the Japs they outgunned us. One time, even us cruisers, the

only thing, 6 inch against their battleships. Like again I say we would catch them at night.

Then we had our fighting lights. But one night we got in a battle with those Japs and they \ had the same fighting lights that we did for that night, like a yellow, yellow green. But on I our radar if they had their IFF on you would get an extra spike in there to know that it was :friendly. I Mr. Misenhimer

What other battles were you all in there in the Guadalcanal I Solomon Islands?

Mr. Clark

We had so damn many. We got credited with ten all total all up and down that slot there.

Of course then you have your daylight raids from airplanes every once in a while. We

had ten gun fighting battles. That one in November was the worst. We survived it okay.

The Helena, we were just busy people on that Helena.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you got down to Sydney did you get liberty to go into town there?

Mr. Clark

Yes. We were there ten days and we got to go ashore five days. We hit it lucky. We got

in and we anchored in the Sydney Harbor and about noon or a little after they told us we

38 had to move. So we pulled up anchor and moved away and here the Queen Mary came in

and brought the troops back from North Africa. They had been over there about four

years. But you know. those guys when we came back, they let us come back and tie up

abreast of the Queen Mary; I felt like I was in a canoe. I would be up in the director too

and I still couldn't see their main deck. You could see the deck but you weren't level with

it. Those guys that came back from over there, they had spent some tough times there in

North Africa. As soon as they would find out that you were off of a fighting ship like the I Helena and others that were in there they were real friends, but if you were off of a repair ship they called it the Didee Dee, the Dobbins; they didn't have much use for them guys. l It was something else. I figured, "Well I guess we got treated the same way when we got sunk." I didn't think they treated us too good. Even those Australians, they had this camp

at their horse track I think it was called out there in Sydney and that's where they would

put them out there and lived for a while. Then they sent them up to New Guinea. When

we got sunk on the Helena I was surprised at the treatment. From Espiritu when they

finally got us there it was one of those ships that carried the copra and we called it the

banana barge. It made about 5 or 6 knots and took us down to Espiritu Santo and the

compound there and the Japanese prisoners of war were having a better time than we

were. They were right next to us. But that got straightened out and then they shipped us

home on that ship; of course we were heading in the right direction then. It would do 6 to

8 knots maybe if it was feeling good, but two meals a day and no fresh water showers and

all that kind of stuff, but at least it was heading east.

Mr. Misenhimer

Tell me about when the Helena got sunk; tell me about that battle.

39 Mr. Clark

That was in Kula Gulf, July 7. There again July shows up. It was the 61h or 7th, it was right at midnight. We went in there. The first thing we had to do was a bombardment. A bunch of Army, the 132nd Infantry I think, got tied up on the beach and couldn't get off the beach, they got some bum infonnation or something. We bombarded so they could pull off the beach. The Japs were coming in that evening with other ships so that's when we met them. We had got two destroyers. The Helena was credited with two but then there was a cruiser there and a destroyer slipped around the side of her and launched three torpedoes. The first torpedo took the bow off and turret one and then the next two torpedoes hit us right amidships and that was it for the Helena. But that bow floated and being the turret was on it, the number one on the point of the bow, it floated for about three days. Tokyo Rose knew the next day and boy we heard she was advertising that they finally got the Helena.

Mr. Misenhimer

Were you at your battle station when that happened?

Mr. Clark

Yes. I was in turret two at that time. They rotated you arowid every quarter so you wouldn't get too familiar. When they took off the bow with that first torpedo we lost a lot of people in the lower part of the turret. But right in the turret itself, probably half of us got out of it. The funny thing about it, every time you went into the turret or out of the turret it was always fore and aft, it was pointed that way you know. Well when we got hit and we came out of there it was trained around to the port side and you thought you were running to get over the side, because they had already passed the word to abandon ship,

40 we ran right off the end where they blew off the bow. But it worked out okay. I guess that' s why they move you around so you don't get too familiar. It was touch and go there for a while.

Mr. Misenhimer

Right off the end of the bow; did you have your life jacket on?

Mr. Clark

Oh yes; you carried that thing all the time. Those kapok life jackets were wonderful. Our sail.maker aboard the Helena had put straps on them and instead ofeverything hanging up under your arms, he put straps on the bottom of the jacket and on the front, and you tied them on the front and held that life jacket down. You could actually sit in it, kind of; and that really made a difference because you were in the water for quite a few hours there.

Mr. Misenhimer

How did you get picked up there then?

Mr. Clark

Some of us got picked up by destroyers and then 150 of us got, I can't remember the name of the island there, but anyway, they never did tell any of us about the Coast Watch.

That's what kind of picked us up. They came out, those natives, and the Coast Watch

Chief was out of New Zealand. They got us ashore and then hid us out for about ten days.

Mr. Misenhimer

So you were in that group, were you?

Mr. Clark

Yes. Another time on the Helena we had a group of those~ I guess you would call them

Navy soldiers. They were trained by the French and they talked French. We had about 30

41 aboard that we were taking up north for a raid on an island that had a radio on it Those guys were real gentlemen but boy did they love that American white bread. They kept those bakers busy all the time trying to keep bread on the table for them. Those little

Frenchmen, those natives were head and shoulders taller than those Frenchmen, but boy those Frenchmen would bark orders at them and those guys would jump. They all had shoes but they were tied around their necks and they went barefooted. That was a good group. We dropped them off and a submarine picked them up after the raid. We didn't have to hang around.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did they have the big fuzzy hair?

Mr. Clark

No. I don't know exactly what island they came from. One of the parts was French; but none of them had the bushy hair. In fact I bad a sheath knife, when I took off my clothes I kept that belt and that knife just in case, but this one native would kind of watch for me and stuff. He had his eye on that knife and finally one day I gave it to him. Man he was tickled to death. Then I found out that if they killed a Jap and brought the uniform in they would get so much money, $5 or something like that. He made sure I bad little extra things. If he found a tree that had ripe papaya on it he would bring me one. He gave me goodies.

Mr. Misenhimer

What are some other things that happened on the Helena?

Mr. Clark

I don't know we were just kept so damn busy all the time. When they would send us back

42 into Espiritu Santo to refuel and resupply, we would only be in for a day or two and then we were out either patrolling or watching for those barges coming down with Japanese troops. Then the Flying Chiefs that flew those PBY's, they would kind of watch for them and if they saw some of them that looked like they were getting ready to come do'Ml they would let somebody know and then they would let us know and we would try to meet them and stop them, or turn them back, or sink them, or whatever.

Mr. Misenhimer

After the Helena was sunk and you were on that island with that Coast Watchers; you said you were on there about ten days?

Mr. Clark

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

How well did they take care of you there?

Mr. Clark

The best they could; it was alright They moved us a lot. What surprised me, two of the guys had a canoe and went paddling off they said they were going to go to Guadalcanal to report that we were on the island and how many there were. When they made arrangements to get us off the island, they came there at night and the ship that they used was from World War I, the Dent, it was a destroyer and the Detroit was the other one. All they had were their Higgins boats and one 3 inch gun on the bow. Those boats when they got us onboard and on account of the air coverage, they wanted to get down south far enough to get air coverage from our O'Ml forces. I was standing on the stem and I could hardly look over that wake; I asked one of the Chiefs coming up out of the boiler, "How

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t fast are we going?" He said, "44 knots." Can you imagine? And in a World War I boat? Of course they were stripped and had four or six Higgins boats is all. They would take

Marines around for raids on different little islands and pick them. But to have that kind of

speed from a World War I ship.

Mr. Misenhimer

That's really going, right.

Mr. Clark

Yes. Our best was 32 but most of the time it would hanging under 30.

Mr. Misenhimer

How many of you all were on that island?

Mr. Clark

150.

Mr. Misenhimer

How did they feed you all?

Mr. Clark

Just what we could scrounge. One time they came, and I don't know what kind of meat it

was, but it was cooked. It was in like a barley sack and you would get a handful of that

But most of the time it was limes and papaya and things like that. You know it's

surprising but when you are in that condition, food doesn't seem to bother you too much.

You do get hungry but it doesn't gnaw at you. They did have a couple of streams of fresh

water and that was our water. So many times and I've heard over the years at different

times how they wasted guys lives, our experience at least in every place I worked, the

Navy and the Army did everything they could to pick up their survivors. Look at the rest

44 of those guys that were picked up by those two destroyers that night. The Japs knew we

were around; they were hunting us. They got us off and got us down to where they could

get some air coverage. Look at President Bush, he got picked up by a submarine on

Chichi Jima. When I was on the Fran/clin and every place we went had destroyers and I

didn't know it but those destroyers, and we had four because were a big aircraft carrier,

their orders were that they were to take a torpedo if it was coming at us. They would be ~ right astern of us or ahead of us and if a plane went off the flight deck or they couldn't I make it back to the flight deck they would go pick up the pilot. To take and stop dead in the water to pick somebody up when there were submarines out there is kind of scary. I I think the guys that ran the thing did everything just right, as far as I was concerned I anyway. There may have been exceptions at some places and of course you can't satisfy everybody. I Mr. Misenhimer After you were picked up there, you went back to Guadalcanal?

Mr. Clark

No, they took us down to Noumea, New Caledonia; I know we were a week or two. They

had us in this one compound and then Admiral Halsey found out and the guy running the

area he was going to put us to work as stevedores in Nomnea and our Captain finally got

out of the hospital and they moved us back into the general rest camp, they called it. You

slept in tents and they had cots there but there was no military at all. If you wanted to eat

you just went to the mess hall and ate at any time of the day. Then finally they found this

little dashing wave and put us aboard it and sent us to San Diego. We all already had our

orders. Right in my orders, I was carrying around my orders; I was to go to Newport

45 News and go aboard and be assigned to a light cruiser by order of W. F. Halsey, Admiral of the Pacific Forces. When I got there I went aboard the new Houston. Boy you talk about, I don't know, I didn't fit on that ship at all the way it was laid out and all, so they transferred me over to the Franklin. I should have kept my mouth shut (laughing). We had tough duty on the Franklin.

Mr. Misenhimer

When did you go aboard the Franklin?

Mr. Clark

They put her in commission there at Newport News, in fact I got a chunk of the, you know the old Navy stuff where you become a plank owner? Well when they decommissioned her and scrapped her ou~ I got a hunk ofthe flight deck. They shipped it to me here. We saw a lot of duty down to the Philippines, up to Okinawa and Iwo Jima and Haha Jima. Our planes would go and attack and stuff. We would get under air attack a lot of times, and then we did get wiped out by a kamikaze. We went back to the States but we were too badly damaged and they took her to New York and scrapped her out.

Mr. Misenhimer

Was it hit once or twice by kamikazes?

Mr. Clark

Twice.

Mr. Misenhimer

Once in the Philippines I think wasn't it?

Mr. Clark

Yes.

46 Mr. Misenhimer

And you were aboard then were you?

Mr. Clark

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

I What was your position on the Franklin? ~ Mr. Clark l I was a Firecontrolman Third Class. I qualified as a rangefinder operator and radar. Mr. Misenhimer I What type of gun were you on there? Mr. Clark

I was in the director. They had me on the 20mm's. I had a group of them. But when they

found out that I was a range:finder operator they moved me back up to the main director.

Mr. Misenhimer

What were the largest guns on the Franklin?

Mr. Clark

5 inch. We had four 5 inch mounts and then a 5 inch on the stem and over on the bow.

Then of course 20's and 40's wherever they could find a place to stack them.

Mr. Misenhimer

These were mainly antiaircraft, right?

Mr. Clark

Yes, it was all antiaircraft.

47 Mr. Misenhimer

Tell about when they got hit down in the Philippines with a kamikaze. How did that happen?

Mr. Clark

Our skipper wanted to put our fighter group up for air coverage and he was told by the people running the show down there that we would get air coverage out of Clark Field in the Philippines. Our pilots told him that Clark Field couldn't land or take off because it was too muddy because it had been raining. Anyway he did launch four fighter aircraft and the Enterprise put up four fighters and I think the San Jacinto or the Belleau Woods put up a couple; they were smaller aircraft carriers. That's all we bad up and when the

Japs came out they bad nobody to fight them off. Then when people just dive at you and come in. I was on the rangefinder on one of them and we were hitting the~ I could see parts of that airplane flying off, but he came right on in.

Mr. Misenhimer

Where did they hit on the Franklin?

Mr. Clark

It hit on the stern. Then ofcourse there was a mix-up there, in the aviation gas, there were still two bottle in there, you could open up and kill the fire. They had vents you bad to open up first and the guy got excited I guess and just opened the C02 and that burst the seams of the thing and it went wild from there. It burned for about three days.

Mr. Misenhimer

Were there quite a few casualties from that hit?

48 Mr. Clark

Yes, 900.

Mr. Misenhimer

Was that in the Philippines or was that the one in Okinawa?

Mr. Clark

I was thinking Okinawa; yes at Okinawa was where the big one was. In the Philippines there were some. That's one thing that bothers me to this day is our burials at sea. God, I just can't stand that. It seems to me like when we put them in that sack and tip them over the side, we were abandoning them (tape side ended)

Mr. Misenhimer

Okay, you said that when we put them over that you could see the white sacks all the way back to the horizon.

Mr. Clerk

Oh yes. Besides, you put in a 5 inch projectile at their feet to try to sink them down, but until all that air gets out. But to me personally it was just like you were abandoning your buddy.

Mr. Misenhimer

After you were hit there in the Philippines where did you go to then?

Mr. Clark

Up to Ulithi and then they sent her back to Pearl and then back to Bremerton,

Washington. They fixed her up and we went back out in a just a short time.

Mr. Misenhimer

And you stayed on the ship the whole time?

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Yes, until there at Okinawa and I went haywire there. They put me on an airplane and

flew me to the Pearl Harbor hospital. They called it battle fatigue. I guess, the way they

explained it to me, I took all their tests they wanted to do, and it made sense to me, that it

was just too much time in the Pacific.

I Mr. Misenhimer l Tell me about when the plane hit there in Okinawa, how did that happen? I Mr. Clark He came diving in and he hit towards the stem. There again, you've got planes loaded

and ready to go and then like the Franklin our torpedo bombers and dive bombers would

be in the hangar deck usually. The fighters would be on the flight deck ready to go and

then the dive bombers, but the torpedo bombers would always be in the tail end They're

all loaded and ready to go and you would upset them when you catch them on fire.

Mr. Misenhimer

How many kamikazes hit you at Okinawa, one?

Mr. Clark

Just one. That's all it takes. I don't know what their explosive charge is they carry. I've

got souvenirs here fro~ I think it is the one in the Philippines. When we cleaned up after

him I got some stuff that he was carrying.

Mr. Misenhimer

What is it you have?

Mr. Clark

Some of their money, I don't know what they call it, but it was like a $2 bill. He wasn't

50 in too bad of shape. With those kinds of things, all hands have to clean up to do it I guess thafs the way it should be. Like I say, that burial at sea, I just don't know. It just seems like you are putting your buddies out there and you run off and leave them. But that's the way it went. I think they said if you were within three days of land someplace, of where you were going, you could hold them. Some of them on the Helena were put in the meat locker down there until we got to the base.

Mr. Misenhimer

I understand the Franklin was probably one of the most damaged ships that survived, is that right?

Mr. Clark

That's what we understand too. When they brought it back after Okinawa, they brought it back to Bremerton and Bremerton didn't want to do it there so they shipped her to New

York and then they decided to scrap her out

Mr. Misenhimer

Yes because the war got over about then or something.

Mr. Clark

Yes, it was pretty much over.

Mr. Misenhimer

But you didn't come back with her, is that right?

Mr. Clark

No I went to the hospital. They flew me to Pearl and then a hospital ship from Pearl to

Bremerton, Washington.

51 Mr. Misenhimer

Then did you get back on the Franklin?

Mr. Clark

No. After the hospital up there I went to limited duty in San Diego in the optical shop down there.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you shoot at many planes in the Philippines or Okinawa either one?

Mr. Clark

Yes. At Okinawa that one just kind of snuck in. But down in the Philippines, they were calling it a turkey shoot, but I don't know who they meant was the turkey, us or them?

But there were a lot of planes down there. By that time in the war they didn't have near the pilots that they bad in the first part; they weren't trained too good. That business of committing suicide for somebody, I never did like the sound of that.

Mr. Misenhimer

So you left the ship after the kamikaze attacked in Okinawa then, right?

Mr. Clark

Yes. We went to Ulithi and then they flew me to Pearl.

Mr. Misenhimer

Do you know Robert Blanchard? He was on the Franklin.

Mr. Clark

I don't remember. Do you remember what division?

Mr. Misenhimer

No, but he was the one that the Chaplain gave the final rites to, but he lived.

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I Mr. Clark Oh. Well we had so many. I remember one thing that kind of bothered me. Our weather

people, we used to work real close with them when they would be launching their

balloons. We would track them and give them the elevations that they went to and how

fast they were rising. After one, I guess it was down at the Philippines, I left the director

and went down to where the weather people were and opened up and there were three of

them on the bench up there and I hollered at them, "Get up and get to work." Hell, they

were all three dead. They had suffocated in there because of the fires and stuff.

Mr. Misenhimer

Tilis was after which one?

Mr. Clark

Tilis was down at the Philippines. When you work together and you kind of kid with

them when you are tracking their balloons and joke, but you are doing the business you

are supposed to be doing, but you just have to get along with people. I yelled at them two

or three times to get up off that bench and get to work. All gone.

Mr. Misenhimer

Not very pleasant.

Mr. Clark

No.

Mr. Misenhimer

What were some other things that happened?

Mr. Clark

It's been so long now and I tried to wipe a lot of that out. It's still kind of hard for me to

53 talk about some of it.

Mr. Misenhimer

Sure. Let me ask you some questions. Did you ever hear Tokyo Rose?

Mr. Clark

Oh boy, yes. One thing that is kind of comical, at the time when it happened it wasn't.

The night that we got sunk on the Helena and were in the water there, and the oil was 6 to

8 inches deep on the water, this one guy, we called him "Nails" but his name was

Leonard. He was coming around and he was looking for Commander Fryberger.

Commander Fryberger was our navigator. Finally someone asked, "What are you looking for him for?" He said, ''I've got a chance to go to the States and no navigator." Here you are with just a life jacket on in all that oil and water and joking; you know how we

Americans are. He went through Pearl Harbor. He lives up in northern Michigan.

Mr. Misenhimer

You said you heard Tokyo Rose, what did you think of her?

Mr. Clark

In the early part of the war down there every time she would come o~ a lot of the time they put her on the ship's radio; but she had us sunk. Stuff she would say and we knew better. Hell here we were floating around and shooting at her ships. She called us the

Gray Ghost for awhile because we would tum up at night mostly. We didn't believe her mostly, not at all. She knew where we were most of the time. I guess the submarines were reporting or something like that, what part of the world we were operating in down there.

Because none of the news media could put out anything; thank God for that. If the news media did then like they are doing now we would have never got that war done. I can't

54 believe these people.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you ever see any USO shows?

:Mr. Clark

One time on the Franklin we had Eddie Peabody come aboard and that was the only one I ever saw. After I got married I found out he was a second cousin to my wife's side of the family.

Mr. IVlisenhimer

Now he had a band is that right?

Mr. Clark

Yes, he played the banjo. That was the only one I ever saw. One time down at Espiritu, we didn't get to see him, but there was some band down there and he made the Anny guys mad and they took him and his band and threw him in the ocean. I've forgotten what happened when that went on, but that was the only one that I ever heard of that got in trouble. I can't remember who it was but anyway, something was done or said that upset them. That Tokyo Rose, that was one, now, I'm not positive, but I understand through the

VFW or one of them, that she wound up in Chicago and was drawing social security.

Mr. Misenhimer

She was pardoned, that's right. She was convicted after the war and later on she was pardoned. Did you have any experience with the Red Cross?

Mr. Clark

Don't talk to me about them people.

55 Mr. Misenhimer

What happened?

Mr. Clark

I had personal experience. When we were sunk on the Helena and then they got us down there to Espiritu we were in our skivvies. The Red Cross came around; the Navy had already put out letters to our homes telling them that we were missing in action, so they wanted to send a radiogram home so that we could notify them right away that we were okay and everything. They wanted 85 cents and you wrote down your name and the address you were sending it to and then you picked out a number, like I am well and everything is fine or something like that. We didn't have a dime and they wanted us to pay. The Army guys on the island there took up a collection and they paid for it but then the VFW came around and gave us these little ditty bags that had envelopes and writing stuff in them so that men could write home. They got those v-mail before they ever got the radiogram. That I know personally. Then on the hospital ship from Hawaii to Seattle I went to buy some cigarettes. When you are at sea they sell them to you for a nickel a pack. Well they were a dime a pack on this hospital ship. That was alright and I paid that but when the tax stamp went across it sai~ "Donated by General Motors." Yet they were collecting for them. There were a couple of other things but these two I knew; I never give to them. . In fact I almost got in trouble on the Franklin when I got aboard it when the Red Cross Officer noticed I hadn't put any money in and I kept my voice down, he was going to put me on report and I said, "Okay. We can bring this out and let everybody know. This is personal experience, not hearsay." He didn't turn me in. Then on the

Franklin they said when you bear "The Bear Goes Over the Mountain" that's abandon

56 ship; that's just for the air group. Then there was another group that went to another part and then the engineering was the last group. I told my division officer, "Look when they say Abandon Ship I'm leaving you." He said, "Oh no, you don't do it that way." I said,

"I've already done it that way. When everybody left we were going together." In fact when they had those hurricanes down south, near Jack Surles, he was the one that gave you my name?

Mr. 1\-fisenbimer

Yes.

Mr. Clark

I talked to him about the Red Cross just recently when there were doctors; he works with the Sheriff's department, there was a group of doctors that put a btmch of stuff together and came down and were going to help out with the injured and the Red Cross ran them back home. I don't know what the deal was. Then the wages that the President of the Red

Cross gets, that's ridiculous.

Mr. Misenhimer

Big money.

Mr. Clark

Oh boy. I'm sorry, but that's the way I am about the Red Cross. I just can't do it.

Mr. Misenhimer

What day was it that the Franlclin got hit? Do you remember what date?

Mr. Clark

No, that's too many years back.

57 Mr. Misenhimer

Was it in April some time?

Mr. Clark

That may have been, some time close in there. I won't swear to it.

Mr. Misenhimer

The reason I was asking is because on April 12, 1945 President Roosevelt died, did you all hear about that?

Mr. Clark

No.

Mr. Misenhimer

That may have been after you were hit, I don't know.

Mr. Clark

I don't recall it I'm sure there was an announcement.

Mr. Misenhimer

Where were you when Japan surrendered on August 15, 1945?

Mr. Clark

In San Diego

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you all have any kind of a celebration?

Mr. Clark

No. 'That was another thing. When we came back off that island from being sunk and came into San Diego on that old freighter, it was just like we were a bunch of trash coming aboard except Captain McCandless at the destroyer base when they finally got us

58 there. But we were just like a bunch of hobos coming off of that ship. Captain

McCandless had us in a group there and said, "The only orders I've got for you people is rest and recreation." We said something about going ashore and something was said, "All we've got is what we've got on." Some of us looked like part soldier, part Marine and part with the borrowed clothes we had. He said, "You've lived in them this long.''

They made an identification tag for us with a big red "S" on it for survivor. The Shore

Patrol wasn't supposed to bother us. He was an excellent Captain I thought.

Mr. Misenhimer

You mentioned souvenirs, what other souvenirs did you get?

Mr. Clark

Including that stuff I got from that Jap, I guess it was just the money part. There was something else and I gave it to somebody a few years back.

Mr. Misenhimer

What all ribbons and medals did you get?

Mr. Clark

I got a hat full of them up there. The Helena, according to one of the letters; after I got out of the service here came a Lieutenant and two Shore Patrol up to the house and I thought, "Uh-oh, what the hell happened now?" It was a commendation that the Helena received. It was one of the first Navy ships that ever got a Naval Commendation. There were two more that they told me that I was entitled to but you've got to go buy them and that's the Philippine Liberation Ribbon and the Philippine Presidential Citation. But you've got to go buy them some place and I've never been around to a place that's got them. The Navy issues, I don't know how many.

59 Mr. Misenhimer

How many total battle stars did you get?

Mr. Clark

I guess, ten we had. The funny thing is nowadays, then in World War II things had to be happening pretty hot and heavy before you got a battle rating. If you were wider a slight air attack you never reported that or it wasn't recorded for your record. But now, I don't know, on the Helena I have over ten actual, firing back and forth, and then on the

Franklin we had, most of those were air stuff. Jack reminded me of this, I was running across the flight deck when the Japs where s1rafmg the ship at the time and he thought they were going to get me, but I made it to the island. I don't know; you just took things as they came and tried to live through it.

Mr. Misenhimer

When were you finally discharged then?

Mr. Clark

I was in the Naval Hospital in San Diego. I would have to look that up.

Mr. Misenhimer

Was it in 1945 or 1946?

Mr. Clark

I think it was in the latter part of 1945. It was all over. I was in the hospital in San Diego.

They tried me out on limited duty but I was just too nervous and shook up. They treated me for quite a while. Another thing that the Red Cross did to me was after I was recommended for disability then the Red Cross said "no". I couldn't figure out how they got into it. I don't talk too much to people about the Red Cross, but if they really pump

60 me and want to know then I'll tell them my personal experience. Not what I've heard but what happened to me and I'm sure to others. There is a fellow really interested in World

War Il. He is up in Montana He has a heating and air business. He's a real good kid.

Mr. Misenhimer

Here's another question. When you got home did you have any trouble adjusting to civilian life?

Mr. Clark

Really I did kind of. One thing that bothered me quite a bit was driving. I was doing some

30 to 35 mph driving for a while and stuff like that Then certain things. Of course I learned there were going to be people doing stuff that I didn't particularly like. When you are a veteran and have been in combat and know what it is when your life is on the line, it is different than being a veteran and living in a USO type place. These buddies of mine that are still in contact and are doing real good and have got their halfway health. There's one up in northern Michigan and Charles McClleland and Jack Surles. We stay in not real close contact but different things at different times. The one up there in northern

Michigan every December 7111 he will call me early in the morning and he'll say, "Boy I was out firing my shotgun this morning." That's the one that was hunting for our navigator Commander Fryberger. He is something else.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you use your GI Bill when you got home?

Mr. Clark

No I didn't. I forget what it was when I first got home. I tried it but there were too many strings attached to it Just like right now the wife and I both can hardly get around; the

61 wife is worse than I am. We put in to get one of those motorized scooters and the doctor, we talked to him about it first, and he said, "You' re well qualified but boy then when they turned it over to Medicare they've just got so many things. If you can do this then you can't have one, so we went ahead and bought our own. At least we can do that.

Mr. Misenhimer

Anything else that you can think offrom your time in World War II?

Mr. Clark

No. There's lots of stuff that runs through your head but it's just, I don't know, like one of the officers that was there in the control, in sky aft when the Juneau got hit and it blew up like that. He did make the comment, "You know we're all out here and just cannon fodder." But you know just different things, so much. There were some guys that got so damned scared. When we were in the water, it was midnight, there were guys that you would talk to, like the one guy come to me and said to me, ..I'm going below" and he slipped out of his life jacket and never splashed around or anything. But there were several guys that went that way; just gave up. I just couldn't believe it. Other guys we were talking about it and other guys had the same experience. That damn oil and stuff it makes you sick, and we were blaming it on the guys getting so sick in that oil and stuff.

But there were guys that just took their life jackets off and sank down. l\fr• .rvt:isenhiiner

Have you had any reunions?

Mr. Clark

The Helena has reunions. It's now called the Helena Organization because there is a CA-

75, which is a heavy cruiser. But the CL-50 started years ago and we went to several.

62 They've had some up in Montana and down in San Diego. But the Frank/in now has one on the East Coast and I guess they make more money than I do because they meet on cruises and different stuff. The places that they meet at are $250 a night. Then like I say the Franklin is mostly East Coast stuff. All those which we called them Airedales aboard the Franklin, they earned everything they got; damned if I would have put up with that.

That talcing off and landing on that aircraft carrier, man. I only made one trip with them on a little calibration thing and that taught me. I guess those fellows got used to it. We did see quite a few crashes as they came aboard, especially since the landing itself was a crash. Just bang, you hit the deck and I've seen them jerk the back of the tail off and all that assembly and then come into Mount Four there just down below us. Then some of the planes taking off if they didn't get a good take off they would drop down there below the flight deck and you just waited to see if there was a splash and pretty soon, be was just barely touching the water and getting out of the way. Everything they got; they earned.

Mr. Misenhimer

That's right. I have a great respect for those people.

Mr. Clark

I do too. We would walk by their ready rooms and they were all air conditioned. After they would have a flight and come back, they got two beers; when you walked by one of those ready rooms with the air conditioning, right in front of the guy would be two beers about like a bar. I never did, none of my buddies ever talked against what they got. They earned everything they got

63 I I Mr. Misenhimer Gil, anything else you can think of!

Mr. Clark

No. Probably after I hang up I'll think of four or five different things. I think we've pretty

well covered it.

Mr. Misenhimer

I appreciate your time today and again I appreciate your service to our country.

Mr. Clark

Thank you very much.

(end ofinterview)

Transcribed by: Oral History by:

Les le W. Dial Richard Misenhimer

Beeville, Texas P.O. Box 3453

March 17, 2006 Alice, Texas 78333

Home: (361) 664-4071

Cell: (361) 701-5848

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