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Wednesday Volume 529 15 June 2011 No. 170 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Wednesday 15 June 2011 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2011 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through The National Archives website at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/information-management/our-services/parliamentary-licence-information.htm Enquiries to The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU; e-mail: [email protected] 759 15 JUNE 2011 760 frustration for people who are trying to volunteer. I House of Commons agree with the reforms that will make that process simpler, more effective and more portable. Wednesday 15 June 2011 Industrial Action (Public Sector) The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock 2. Karl McCartney (Lincoln) (Con): What steps he is taking to prepare for potential industrial action in the PRAYERS public sector. [59569] [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] The Minister for the Cabinet Office and Paymaster General (Mr Francis Maude): We are committed to maximum engagement with the public sector unions to seek agreement on essential reforms, and especially Oral Answers to Questions to make public sector pensions sustainable and among the very best available, as Lord Hutton, Labour’s Work and Pensions Secretary has recommended. I am sorry CABINET OFFICE that a handful of unions are hellbent on pursuing disruptive industrial action while discussions are continuing. However, we have rigorous contingency plans in place The Minister for the Cabinet Office was asked— to minimise disruption in the event of industrial action. Volunteering Karl McCartney: I thank my right hon. Friend. Does he have a message for public sector workers who are 1. Duncan Hames (Chippenham) (LD): What plans contemplating strike action on 30 June? his Department has to help match young people with volunteering opportunities. [59568] Mr Maude: Yes, I do. I strongly recommend that they should not go in for industrial action. If schools close The Parliamentary Secretary, Cabinet Office (Mr Nick as a result of teachers going on strike, there will be Hurd): We are investing in the national citizen service, considerable disruption not only to children’s education which will be very powerful in connecting young people but to the lives of parents whose livelihoods depend with their own power to make a contribution to the on schools being open. While discussions are still going community. In addition, we will invest £40 million over on about how to keep public sector pensions among the the next two years to support volunteering infrastructure very best that there are, and at a time when taxpayers in and social action. the private sector have seen hits to their own pension schemes, I think people will be really fed up if industrial Duncan Hames: I thank the Minister. Grow, the action goes ahead. organisation behind Wiltshire’s volunteer centre in Chippenham, is keen to extend the range of support it Mr David Winnick (Walsall North) (Lab): Why should provides in matching young people with volunteering the Government be surprised that public sector workers, opportunities as part of Wiltshire council’s volunteer many of whom are pretty poorly paid, faced with an strategy and action plan. Will the new local infrastructure onslaught on their pensions and frozen pay have decided fund be able to support such initiatives, be they in to fight back? It would be surprising if they had not. Wiltshire or elsewhere? Mr Hurd: I was in Devizes constituency in Wiltshire Mr Maude: If the coalition Government had not on Friday, and I recognise that Wiltshire council represents inherited the biggest budget deficit in the developed best practice in many ways in supporting local voluntary world, we might not have to be taking these steps. I organisations and local infrastructure. I am delighted remind the hon. Gentleman that a civil servant on about the local infrastructure fund, because it will help median pay—about £23,000—who retires after a 40-year existing infrastructure assets become even more efficient career, which is not untypical, will have a pension that and effective in supporting front-line voluntary organisations would cost £500,000 to buy in the private sector. No one and encouraging local people to get involved. in the private sector now has access to such pensions. Mrs Jenny Chapman (Darlington) (Lab): We all support Mr Bernard Jenkin (Harwich and North Essex) (Con): efforts to encourage volunteering, but does the Minister May I commend my right hon. Friend for his determination share our concern that under proposals in the Protection to engage to the maximum with the public sector unions of Freedoms Bill on the vetting and barring scheme to try to avoid industrial action? He has made it clear, individuals who are barred from working with children however, that he does not rule out legislative changes. will be able to volunteer in schools, and without the May I plead with him, on behalf of the Public school’s knowledge? Administration Committee, that we make changes in an orderly fashion, and that perhaps he should publish a Mr Hurd: The Bill contains very important reforms Green Paper to consult on what changes should be to vetting and barring, and critically to the Criminal made, so that we can have a proper debate about them Records Bureau process, which many Members will rather than find ourselves propelled into legislative changes know from their constituencies is a source of considerable in an emergency? 761 Oral Answers15 JUNE 2011 Oral Answers 762 Mr Maude: I do not have responsibility for industrial Stuart Andrew (Pudsey) (Con): I spent 16 years in the relations law; that rests with my right hon. Friend the fundraising sector. Does the Minister agree that one Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills. giving barrier for many people is the abolition of cheques? We have made it clear that we do not rule out changes, and a number of proposals have been made from Mr Hurd: I know that causes a lot of debate and outside. We think that industrial relations law works anxiety in the sector. As my hon. Friend well knows, the reasonably well at the moment, but we keep it under matter is under review by the Government. It has been review. stated that cheques need to be replaced by some form of paper-based system. Jim McGovern (Dundee West) (Lab): Does the Minister agree that pensions should be regarded as deferred Roberta Blackman-Woods (City of Durham) (Lab): wages, and that therefore, as my hon. Friend the Member The House will note that the giving White Paper states for Walsall North (Mr Winnick) said, it should come as that the Government aim to support and manage no surprise that pension scheme members are seeking to opportunities for giving, but what will the Minister do protect their future income? to monitor what sums are given and to which organisations? Mr Maude: That is why we are engaging in discussions Does he intend to plug funding gaps, should they arise, with the TUC at its behest. The discussions continue, so that poor areas of the country are not disadvantaged? and there is much still to be sorted out. I remind the Indeed, if donations continue to fall, is it a sensible hon. Gentleman that Lord Hutton, Labour’s Work and strategy to rely on philanthropy to fill gaps in public Pensions Secretary, recommended the reforms to make funding? public sector pension schemes sustainable and affordable for the future. That is what we are determined to achieve. Mr Hurd: The Government see a substantial opportunity Any union or public servant contemplating strike action to encourage more giving, bearing in mind that 8% of is jumping the gun. There is a long way to go yet. the country do 47% of the giving. The hon. Lady asks about money for more deprived areas. Our “community Giving first and community organiser” programme, which is worth about £80 million, is exclusively targeted on the 3. Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) (Con): most deprived communities. The programme incentivises What steps he is taking to encourage increased levels of the local giving of time and money to support social giving. [59570] action projects led by those communities. The Parliamentary Secretary, Cabinet Office (Mr Nick National Citizen Service Hurd): The Government are anxious to encourage more giving. On 23 May, we published a White Paper that set out a range of ways in which we can help to make giving 4. Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con): What steps easier and more compelling, and offered better support he is taking to enable young people in (a) England and for charities, community groups and social enterprises. (b) Northamptonshire to participate in the national citizen service in the summer of 2011. [59572] Andrew Bridgen: Although people in the UK are very generous compared with Europeans, the rate of UK 6. James Morris (Halesowen and Rowley Regis) (Con): charitable giving remains only half that of the rate in What steps he is taking to enable young people to America. What further steps will the Minister take to participate in the national citizen service in the summer encourage us to give up to the level of our of 2011. [59574] American cousins? The Parliamentary Secretary, Cabinet Office (Mr Nick Mr Hurd: My hon. Friend is right—we are a generous Hurd): As my hon. Friend the Member for Kettering country—but giving has flatlined, despite substantial (Mr Hollobone) knows, we are offering more than interventions from previous Governments. We do not 10,000 places to 16-year-olds this summer, including accept that as being inevitable, and we want to help 135 in Northamptonshire.
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