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J. Herman Van Roijen Oral History Interview – JFK#1, 10/28/66 Administrative Information Creator: J. Herman Van Roijen Intervi J. Herman van Roijen Oral History Interview – JFK#1, 10/28/66 Administrative Information Creator: J. Herman van Roijen Interviewer: Joseph E. O’Connor Date of Interview: October 28, 1966 Place of Interview: London, England Length: 19 pages Biographical Note Ambassador to the United States from the Netherlands (1950-1964). In this interview, Van Roijen discusses relations between the U.S. and the Netherlands, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and John F. Kennedy’s administration, among other things. Access Open Usage Restrictions According to the deed of gift signed April 13, 1971, copyright of these materials has been assigned to the United States Government. Users of these materials are advised to determine the copyright status of any document from which they wish to publish. 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Transcript of Oral History Interview These electronic documents were created from transcripts available in the research room of the John F. Kennedy Library. The transcripts were scanned using optical character recognition and the resulting text files were proofread against the original transcripts. Some formatting changes were made. Page numbers are noted where they would have occurred at the bottoms of the pages of the original transcripts. If researchers have any concerns about accuracy, they are encouraged to visit the Library and consult the transcripts and the interview recordings. Suggested Citation J. Herman van Roijen, recorded interview by Joseph E. O’Connor, October 28, 1966, (page number), John F. Kennedy Library Oral History Program. GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS SERVICE Gift of Personal Statement By Jan Herman van Roijen to the John Fitzgerald Kennedy Library In accordance with Sec. 507 of the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act of 1949, as amended (44 U.S.C. 397) and regulations issued thereunder (41 CFR 101-10), I, Jan Herman van Roijen, hereinafter referred to as the donor, hereby give, donate, and convey to the United States of America for deposit in the John Fitzgerald Kennedy Library, and for administration therein by the authorities thereof, a tape and transcript of a personal statement approved by me and prepared for the purpose of deposit in the John Fitzgerald Kennedy Library. The gift of this material is made subject to the following terms and conditions: 1. Title to the material transferred hereunder, and all literary property rights, will pass to the United States as of the date of the delivery of this material into the physical custody of the Archivist of the United States. 2. It is the donor's wish to make the material donated to the United States of America by the terms of the instrument available for research in the National Archives of the United States. At the same time, it is his wish to guard against the possibility of its contents being used to embarrass, damage, injure, or harass anyone. Therefore, in pursuance of this objective, and in accordance with the provisions of 44 U.S.C. 2107 this material shall not, for a period of 10 year& be available for examination by anyone except persons who have received my express written authorization to examine it . 3 . A revision of this stipulation governing access to the material for research may be entered into between the donor and the Archivist of the United States, or his designee, if it appears desirable. I 4. The material donated to the United States pursuant to the foregoing shall be kept intact permanently in the John Fitzgerald Kennedy Library. Signed Date r States J. Herman van Roijen – JFK#1 Table of Contents Page Topic 1 Van Roijen’s first contact with John F. Kennedy [JFK] 2, 11 Van Roijen’s personal opinions on JFK as a leader 5, 8, 17 Relations between the United States and the Netherlands 7 Other United States government officials involved with relations between the U.S. and the Netherlands 9 Effects of conflict between the countries in respect to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] 10 Effects of conflict on Van Roijen’s relationship with JFK 13 Relations between Europe and the U.S. through NATO 14 Differences between the administrations of Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower and JFK Oral History Interview with J. HERMAN VAN ROI JEN October 28, 1966 London, England By Joseph E. O'Connor For the John F. Kennedy Library O'CONNOR: Mr. Ambassador, perhaps you could begin by telling us of your first contacts with John F. Kennedy:; VAN RIOJEN: My first contact with President Kennedy was when he was still a senator. I met him at a dinner, and then we invited him to come to dine with us. This was a very pleasant and informal con­ tact. But my real contacts with the President from which I could draw a conclusion as to his personality and character were, of course, later when he became President. I was in Washington as Ambassador for over thirteen years, and that period covered, of course, the whole of the Kennedy Admini­ stration. And during that time I was privileged to see the President on many occasions, not only occasions of receptions at the White House state dinners--as I was, toward the end of my stay in Washington, vice dean, I attended several state dinners given by the President--but also on occasions on which there was more close and intimate con­ tact such as on visits paid to the President by Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and on one occasion Princess Beatrix, our Crown Princess, came to Washington and the President received her and later gave a large luncheon in her honor on which both occasions I was able to have talks -2- with the President. And then there were also cases in which our Foreign Minister, Mr. [J.M.A.H.] Luns came to Washington and on several occasion saw the President in my presence. During those months and years I developed a very real and deep admiration for the President, his charm, his per­ sonality, but also the way in which he was able to stimulate and inspire his associates. I saw him at different times working with his associates. And, of course, I knew several of his close associates who again told me about how·: they worked with the President, how the President used to call them on the telephone at all hours of the day and night and ask them what they had been doing on a certain subject, whether they had seen a certain item in the paper and what they proposed to do about it. And also the way that they evidently knew that they were being led, felt inspired by it, and worked with great enthusiasm under that leadership. But I also admired him for the way in which he showed himself a leader of men, that he was recognized not only in his own country but also abroad as a great leader. As you know, he inspired youth. He himself when he became President was forty-three, mt so very young, but yet youth all over the world felt that in him they had their symbol, their leader. This was, among othe.r& very true in my own country where there generally was a tremendous admiration which almost went further, almost a veneration, for the President. There was one point, of course, on which I differed with the President. It was the one point on which I didn't quite understand his real motivation. And that was the difference of opinion between our government and the American government on the matter of New Guinea. As you may remember, the Western half of that island was under Dutch administration, and the Indonesians laid claim to that territory, to West New Guinea, that they called West IEian. We felt that the Indonesians had absolutely no right to the territory and that the population definitely didn't want to come under the sway of Indonesian domination; that, if West Irian at that moment was a Dutch colony, which it of course was, it only meant a change of colonial adminis­ tration; that if we gave it up, it meant that the Indonesians would take over, and they were hardly known as very able or lenient colonizers. We felt the Papuans, quite rightly, were dreading the day that the Indonesians might take over the -3- administration over their country. But I was struck by the fact that President Kennedy, when I spoke to him about New Guinea, seemed to have no understanding for our motives in wanting to keep the administration until such time as the inhabitants, the Papuans, could decide about their own future: whether they wished to be independent, whether they wanted to keep some link with the Netherlands, or whether, as the Indonesians claimed, they would quite willingly help the Indonesians take over the administration of their country and to help West Irian become part of Indonesia.
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