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SIR – We congratulate George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, on his recent electoral success. As leaders of businesses and industry groups from the construction, retrofitting and property sectors, we can declare a remarkable consensus on the economic benefits of reducing carbon emissions from buildings.

Energy used in constructing and running homes and other buildings accounts for over a third of Britain’s total emissions. Yet our sector can offer cost-effective carbon reductions that are not only compatible with continuing reduction of the deficit, but also present a major opportunity for economic growth.

Making buildings energy-efficient stimulates economic activity, strengthens international competitiveness and creates thousands of jobs, mostly with small local businesses. It lowers

costs for businesses and householders, and reduces the burden More From T he Web on the NHS. More cost-effective than increasing generation, it

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We strongly welcome the commitments in the Conservative All Auctions In One Place manifesto to support the Climate Change Act and to push for a strong global climate deal in Paris later this year. But the Government will also need four long-term policies for our sector. First it should recognise energy efficiency as a national infrastructure priority and allocate infrastructure funds for a national retrofit programme.

Secondly, it should fulfil its commitment to make all new homes zero carbon from 2016 and all new non-domestic buildings so from 2019.

Thirdly, minimum energy efficiency standards for the private rented sector from 2018 should be effectively enforced.

Lastly, the Government should outline how it intends to meet the third and fourth “carbon budgets”, and introduce an ambitious fifth carbon budget which is in line with the recommendations from the Committee on Climate Change.

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midnight eye • a month ago Whether or not Humans are appreciably changing the climate, which in itself is doubtful, Britain is such a tiny part of the world that it doesn't matter what it does in terms of CO2 production. India and China are both forging ahead with their coal consumption. There are about 40 Indians and Chinese people for every British citizen, they are all energy poor and demanding more, much more. India is going to increase its coal consumption by at least 60% in the next five years and China, which already burns almost as much coal as the rest of the world combined continues to expand burns almost as much coal as the rest of the world combined continues to expand consumption at almost the same rate while shutting down some urban power stations to reduce particulate pollution. Not one of them could care less about the British government's feeble attempts at your expense to set an example to the rest of the world and it is time you asked very seriously why it is endangering your wellbeing, besmirching the country with forests of spinning things and impoverishing the economy like this in order to achieve statistically nothing in terms of global CO2 reduction. Of course I endorse energy efficiency in order to keep heating bills down, but that is not what this nonsense is about and by the way, the "problem" is carbon dioxide, not carbon, as it is lazily and repeatedly referred to here. • Share ›

T ellyGraf • 2 months ago "we can declare a remarkable consensus on the economic benefits of reducing carbon emissions from buildings"

Translation: we can declare a remarkable consensus on the economic benefits of green subsidies from the government. • Share ›

Alan Calcot t • 2 months ago It will be interesting to see if the new Tory Government actually listens to this well balanced open letter. I must state my vested interest here in running a consultancy that works in the sector, but then many of the signatories are from the sector in one way or another. CarbonPlan has been working with several energy suppliers under ECO and have helped deliver the majority of the 4,726 District Heating measures notified to date.

In relation to the long term policy goals suggested I am all in favour and this will indeed have a positive impact on stimulating economic activity and creating new jobs. However there is one which I would like to comment on in some detail.

First it should recognise energy efficiency as a national infrastructure priority and allocate infrastructure funds for a national retrofit programme.

I believe that, in the Energy Company Obligation, the UK already has a robust national retrofit programme albeit that this was weakened significantly by the changes which the energy sector lobbied for in late 2013. With some minor tweaks and a strong [re-] commitment to deliver volumes of External Wall Insulation for Hard to Treat walls, ECO could in fact deliver a significant step change in the see more

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richard j williams > Alan Calcott • 2 months ago Why is it that homes can get free loft and cavity wall insulation and, but older homes cannot get double glazing fitted at minimum cost? Why are developments going ahead with no CHP?. • Share ›

St rat ivarius • 2 months ago If carbon dioxide was a problem I'd agree with the above, but it isn't.

No warming for well over 18 years now and emissions continue to rise.

It's time to throw the failed hypothesis in the bin • Share ›

Pilko • 2 months ago Having taken an interest in the construction of a large housing development on the edge of our village by one of the large UK developers (not a signatory to today’s letter), it occurs to me that basic construction standards need to improve significantly before we make real headway in the energy efficiency stakes. The standard of construction is poor and although the finished houses – some costing up to £400k are clearly very marketable, they must leak like air like an old tin can. This will do nothing for energy consumption and heating bills for the next 80 years.

Incidentally, why doesn’t the government make the Building Regulations more prescriptive and insist that developers install e.g. solar electric panels, better heating and lighting controls and perhaps rainwater storage for toilet flushing and the like, increased insulation and construction that is less permeable to air from new? Retrofit to existing property is great but installation in new build is always more economical. Perhaps the developers could take a slightly lower profit margin rather than looking to the government for susidies? 3 • Share ›

Eddy • 2 months ago Something the building industry could consider, although joined up thinking between the heating controls and heating equipment industry would be needed, is a centralised outside temperature monitor for an area. This could transmit the prevailing outside temperature by radio signal, similar to radio-controlled clocks, to the heating control system to improve weather compensated control. It needn't be a continuous signal.

This would eliminate the problem of buildings which don't have a suitable (usually north facing) aspect for a wired outside sensor.

P.S. And don't forget the 'boost' feature when the heating switches on. • Share ›

johnfrancis > Eddy • 2 months ago How about simple 'liaison' and less of the juvenile new-liebour 'joined up thinking' management-speak. • Share ›

Eddy > johnfrancis • 2 months ago As long as the meaning's understood, that's surely all that matters?

How about a question mark on your question? • Share ›

Hironimous Nost ril > Eddy • 2 months ago There is no point, because indoor thermostats automatically compensate anyway. • Share ›

Eddy > Hironimous Nostril • 2 months ago I'm no expert on domestic boilers but would have thought that a compensated flow temperature would reduce room temperature overshoot when the room stat switches off, reduce unnecessary heat loss from uninsulated pipework and increase the efficiency of condensing boilers through a reduction in return temperature. • Share ›

Hironimous Nost ril > Eddy • 2 months ago How would it do any of those things? • Share ›

Eddy > Hironimous Nostril • 2 months ago Assuming the boiler has pump overrun, residual heat within it and the heating pipework can raise the room temperature when the thermostat switches off - a bit like a kettle continuing to boil when it's switched off. Admittedly, this won't be too much of a problem but the overshoot will be more at maximum boiler temperature than at a reduced boiler temperature.

Uninsulated or poorly insulated heating pipework in a 'dead' area, such as a roof space or below floor level, radiates heat. The higher the heating flow temperature, the more the heat loss from this radiation, even when the boiler has switched off.

Condensing boilers are able to recover more heat from their flue gases when their return temperature is low than when it's high, making them more efficient at lower flow/return temperatures. • Share ›

Hironimous Nost ril > Eddy • 2 months ago I don't see how knowing what the climate is like outside can be used to control the climate inside or affect anything you've said above. It can't, and doesn't need to anyway. Modern electronic thermostats control the temperature Modern electronic thermostats control the temperature precisely enough, far more precisely than the old rotary bi- metallic type. • Share ›

Eddy > Hironimous Nostril • 2 months ago As you say, electronic thermostats are more accurate than bi-metallic ones but they only control the temperature at their location, nothing more.

My experience is with non-domestic heating systems, where outside temperature compensation has been standard for decades and is now part of the building regulations.

My main experience with domestic central heating is to keep temperatures as low as possible and wear plenty of warm clothes, so I'm not the best person to make the case for domestic compensators.

The following links may shed more light on the subject...

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St igenace • 2 months ago "[The Government] should fulfil its commitment to make all new homes zero carbon from 2016 and all new non-domestic buildings so from 2019."

Why does the government need to get involved? If the virtues of zero-carbon building are so obvious to all in the building industry and the economic benefits are plain for all to see, private businesses will be falling over one another to construct buildings to this financially lucrative standard. The 1848 California Gold Rush prospectors didn't need government support to incentivise them. 2 • Share ›

Eddy > Stigenace • 2 months ago Unfortunately, Stigenace, energy conservation doesn't sell and savings in ongoing running costs are usually eclipsed by costs in the here and now. 2 • Share ›

Fallick_Alec • 2 months ago They seem to forget the CCA costs us £85billion a year - no doubt a lot of it going to these self interested people 5 • Share › oldgit 13 • 2 months ago "Secondly, it should fulfil its commitment to make all new homes zero carbon from 2016 and all new non-domestic buildings so from 2019."

Would anyone care to explain what that means? • Share ›

St igenace > oldgit13 • 2 months ago I've found this definition of zero-carbon buildings. It comes from the ZCB's website in Hong Kong.

What Is a Zero Carbon Building

A zero carbon building is a building with zero net energy consumption or zero net carbon emissions on an annual basis. In recent years, low/zero carbon buildings have attracted much attention in many countries because they are considered as an important strategy to achieve energy conservation and reduce greenhouse gases emissions. Some examples of the other existing zero carbon buildings in the world include:

Self-sufficient solar house, Freiburg, Germany

Plus Energy House, Ministry of Federal Ministry for Transport, Building and Town Planning, Germany Planning, Germany

Beddington Zero Energy Development, London

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oldgit 13 > Stigenace • 2 months ago Thanks Stig, illuminating. I wonder how they measure the "embodied carbon of its construction process and major structural materials" and how long it takes to recover them? Do you suppose it includes the fuel used by lorries delivering bricks and timber or the CO2 exhaled by the brickies? 1 • Share ›

egriff5514 > oldgit13 • 2 months ago You may find it interesting to look up 'Passivehaus' - this is a standard of building which basically means you don't need any form of heating/cooling, due to impressive insulation standards... quite common in Germany and Austria • Share ›

keefee > oldgit13 • 2 months ago CO2 is a plant food. 1 • Share ›

egriff5514 > keefee • 2 months ago ..and the driver of climate change. 1 • Share ›

keefee > egriff5514 • 2 months ago Sorry egriff5514 but it is not Atmospheric CO2 has doubled or tripled in my lifetime without any noticeable climate change. • Share ›

St igenace • 2 months ago "It lowers costs for businesses and householders, and reduces the burden on the NHS."

How is the burden on the NHS reduced? Are the people who live in energy efficient homes more likely to suddenly drop dead of untreated, unexpected illnesses and less likely to live for many months or years with chronic conditions which are expensive to treat? • Share ›

Eddy > Stigenace • 2 months ago ...or heat stroke? 1 • Share ›

Eddy • 2 months ago I agree with the aims of the building industry, having given energy conservation a low priority in the past and hope it soon becomes mandatory to install independent time and temperature control on both floors of two storey buildings. 1 • Share ›

St eveMWalker > Eddy • 2 months ago Part of the problem is the regulatory system. I have upgraded our central heating to have independent time/temperature control for every room and for the hot water. I have done this myself (as a Control & Instrumentation Engineer, I am more than capable of this), but according to the law, I should have informed my local Building Control office and paid them for the privilege of having them inspect a system which they are not even qualified to understand! Similarly my parents should have paid for an inspection when they split their system into three zones (formerly upstairs, downstairs and hot-water were controlled by a single time and thermostat). • Share ›

t im5165 > SteveMWalker • 2 months ago just tell them that it is a temporary installation. • Share ›

Eddy > SteveMWalker 2 months ago Eddy > SteveMWalker • 2 months ago I never knew about the inspections.

I had the upstairs and downstairs heating circuits split many years ago at the place I lived and the hot water cylinder replaced with an 'on demand' water heater. I'm sure it saved me a lot on fuel bills.

When I had the compulsory Energy Efficiency survey done prior to leaving, the inspector gave me a tick for my (removable) low energy bulbs but ignored my heating zone control.

Although the heating pipework in older properties doesn't always lend itself to being split and a fixed head heating pump can cause problems when a circuit shuts down, its so easy to do in new builds.

I hope I'm wrong but it wouldn't surprise me if many new homes don't have it. • Share ›

Geoffrey Woollard • 2 months ago "Graham Cash, Chief Executive, BAM Construct UK"

I wouldn't take any notice of anyone from BAM. They built the Cambridge Guided Busway. Say no more. • Share ›

Engineer_Andy > Geoffrey Woollard • 2 months ago Just because the project went badly, then why should any comment/opinion from anyone from that company - he may not have had anything to do with the project, which, in my opinion, wasn't managed well from a council perspective. know a bit more than you as I worked (and not for BAM or any connected firm) on the project on the 'stations' services and attended several meetings.

Your argument appears to state that anyone who makes a mistake should never be trusted ever again...are you whiter than white?

Their argument that we should be trying to make reasonable efforts to make ALL our housing stock as energy efficient as possible is a sound one - so many homes and commercial buildings built before the late 90s (especially those built before the 1970s) waste so much energy (heat) through poorly insulated (if at all) and sealed (air gaps) external walls and old single-glazed windows that they consume sometimes 4x or more energy to heat them than a modern building.

If measures were taken to remedy this (and that were government-backed by tax breaks), including replacement of inefficient, unreliable 30yo+ boilers and controls, then our gas and electricity supplies would go a hell of a lot further and see more

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Geoffrey Woollard > Engineer_Andy • 2 months ago "... are you whiter than white?"

I am white, EA, but not whiter than white! 1 • Share ›

peddyt heviking > Geoffrey Woollard • 2 months ago That was the wight answer, Geoffrey. 2 • Share ›

t im5165 > peddytheviking • 2 months ago Peddy, Wight! Great place for a short holiday, and there used to be a semi-retired Professor of dentistry in residence in the 1990s. Think that he has moved on, but he was quite distinguished. • Share ›

peddyt heviking > tim5165 • 2 months ago Hi Tim

In my carefree swashbuckling days I used to crew on a friend's yacht, which he kept in Poole Harbour. On a Friday evening or early Saturday morning we would sail over to evening or early Saturday morning we would sail over to Yarmouth, depending on wind & tide & return on the Sunday after a late breakfast .No newspapers, no mobile phones, no girlfriends - the perfect break for 2 over-worked professionals. InJune/July if we sailed on the Saturday, we would spin for mackerel on the way over & grill them for lunch as soon as we tied up Happy days (in the late 70s). • Share ›

St op Overseas "Aid" > peddytheviking • 2 months ago Good morning Pedders. On top form this morning I see. My 7yo daughter had her first filling today. She has two adult teeth (bottom front and not filled this morning). We've previously thought she cleans her teeth well. How would you advise us of how to instruct her and check on her teeth cleaning? • Share ›

peddyt heviking > Stop Overseas "Aid" • 2 months ago Hi Stoppers

Children are great copiers. We got my 2 sons enthusiastic about brushing their teeth by having 'family' brushing sessions, whereby my wife & I would take turns in brushing our teeth with the nippers. Make sure that she has a brush which is small enough (!) - too many children have to struggle with adult-sized brushes. Sorry if I'm preaching to the converted, but I don't know what to leave out. She should have a children's toothpaste with fluoride & mild in taste - too many adult paste are harsh in taste. You can get disclosing tablets from the chemist (possibly from the supermarket or they may even be cheaper at the dental practice, if they sell oral hygiene aids). She should chew ½ a tablet, then rinse with water thoroughly. Any gunk on her teeth will be stained a bright colour, usually red, so she can see where to target her cleaning. After she has become proficient, you can use ½ tablet now & then after

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Geoffrey Woollard > peddytheviking • 2 months ago Isle remember that, peddy! 1 • Share ›

JohnSc • 2 months ago Why is this letter necessary? Building companies should just get on and build more efficient houses. 2 • Share › anneallan • 2 months ago Thank goodness this letter was quarantined from the rest. 4 • Share › keefee • 2 months ago A collection of liars, fools and lunatics. 1 • Share ›

Engineer_Andy > keefee • 2 months ago ...and what factual basis do you use for this 'astute comment'? 1 • Share ›

keefee > Engineer_Andy • 2 months ago Well Andy,

Liars:-

"and allocate infrastructure funds" Can't you see right through them? They are after your money. Also see points in "Fools" and "Lunatics"

Fools:- Fools:-

"the economic benefits of reducing carbon emissions from buildings." Do you really believe that "buildings" emit much carbon?

Lunatics:-

"zero carbon"

"the third and fourth carbon budgets, and introduce an ambitious fifth carbon budget" What is a carbon budget?

"Committee on Climate Change" Do you need an explanation? • Share ›

Engineer_Andy > keefee • 2 months ago They might use some 'trendy terms', but their argument for reducing our usage and dependence on fossil fuels is sound.

BTW - the term 'carbon emissions' is frequently used so that the layman can understand a common term for all emissions of the by- products of burning fossil fuels to heat your homes and offices, and provide electricity, some of which are emitted in the property (gas boilers and hobs), others at the power station (electrical generation). It can get very confusing if 'experts' listed every form of fossil fuel or refrigerant gas that contributes to damaging the ozone layer, contributes towards global warming and ill health (e.g. particulates from diesel engines, but also from soot from coal burning, etc), so they use an 'equivalent' amount of kilos of CO2 instead.

Explanation of other terms: Carbon neutral - producing electricity through solar PV panels on your roof to offset that used by you when the panels aren't working during low light/night-time. This would include, if you have see more

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Bent hos > Engineer_Andy • 2 months ago Because they support the CCA. • Share ›

Engineer_Andy > Benthos • 2 months ago A very flawed but necessary law. I agree it needs a LOT of changes (or even scrapping and starting afresh - too much dogma and not enough common sense and REAL science/engineering facts), but JUST scrapping it and carrying on burning coal and gas and doing very little to improve the thermal/electrical efficiency of new and especially existing buildings is just not the solution.

The signatories need to go further in saying so to the politicians now that they have the chance - its difficult for them as they've often had to rely for so long under the Blair/Brown Labour governments and during the recession (especially those in Construction/Building Services who were hit worst of any industry in the UK) for work. • Share ›

Bent hos > Engineer_Andy • 2 months ago Thats if you believe CO2 is a problem of course. • Share ›

Grumpy_Old_Fool • 2 months ago This petition must be the outright and unchallenged winner of today's Mandy Rice Davies award. 6 • Share ›

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