COURT, MAY 31, 1938. 585 • -- and smothered. But what we are re- 1939, a sum not exceeding £7,597 for the pur- ferring to is unemployment relief work pose of defraying the following expenditures: from the 1st November to the 31st (a) Government Property Trustees (maintenance and repair of public Ma rch. buildings) £6,657 The resolution was carried. (to murray House, and Nos. 12 and 14, Buck's Road Houses, Douglas 360 (c) Castle Rushen 293 GOVERNMENT PROPERTY TRUS- (e) Peel Castle 287 TEES' EXPENSES. £7,597 Mr Quirk moved:— Agreed. 'that. the Treasurer of the be authorised to apply from the current revenue The Court adjourned to Wednesday. of this Isle. during the year ending 31st March, June 1st, at 11 a.m.

TYNWALD COURT.

Douglas, Wednesday, June 1st, 1938,

Present: The Governor (Vice-Admiral amounting in the aggregate to £25,533, as set forth in the said estimate, and do authorise the Hon. W. S. Leveson Gower, CB., the grant to the Harbour commissioners of a D.S.0.). In the Council: Deemsters sum not exceeding £23,161, to be applied along Farrant and Cowley, the Attorney- with moneys in the hands of the Commis- General, Messrs R. B. Quirk, J. R. Cor- sioners towards such maintenance, such sums rin, W. C. Southward, F. S. Dalgleish, C. to be provided as hereunder :— Gill, and R. C. Cain (Receiver-General), Prom current revenue— with Mr B. E. Sargeaunt, Government Amount received during the year ended 31st March, 1930, Secretary and Clerk to the Council. In from rents, bay fisheries, and the Keys: The Speaker (Mr J. D. Qual- boat licences £1,900 trough, J.P.), Messrs T. A. Quayle, Robt. For Victoria Pier Buildings 550 Kneen, J. Clinton, J. F. Crellin, T. H. For Douglas Harbour Swing Kneen, D. J. Teare, E. B. C. Farrant, A. Bridge 1,185 J. Cottier, W. K. Cowin, T. Callow, J. H. For maintenance of Queen's L. Cowin, T. Clucas, E. W. Fargher, Pier. Ramsey 1,303 Richard Kneen, W. A. Kelly, J. J. Mc- £4,935 Ard, Mrs Shimmin, Messrs W. H. Alcock, Prom the passenger duty and harbour dues, or either of them, levied or to S. Norris, A. E. Kitto, R. Q. Hampton, be levied at the several harbours to- A. j. Teare, and W. 'C. Cralne, with Mr wards the general maintenance of R. G. Johnson, Secretary and Clerk to harbours 18.226 Tynwald. £23,161 VOTE FOR HARBOUR He said: The amount shows a slight MAINTENANCE. decrease on last year—approximately £400. This is after taking into account The Receiver-General moved:— last year's original vote and the supple- That this Court, do approve the estimates mentary vote. There is an increase of submitted by the Harbour commissioners for the maintenance of the harbours of this Island approximately £400 at Douglas, but in- (including the Victoria Pier Buildings and cluded in these estimates is £1,300 for Swing Bridge, Douglas; and the Queen's Pier, the re-erection of the shelter on the Ramsey) for the year ending 31st March, 1939. north side of the Victoria Pier. The

Government Property Trustees' Expenses.—Vote for Harbour Maintenance. 586 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE I, 1938. work is now practically completed, and side, because that is where the south- that at the viaduct and the new pier is west wind blows right in, and if we have completed now. Both commenced on rain and a strong beat, the people shel- the 1st November last. The shelter on tering there will get wet through. the north side of the Victoria Pier, I may The Attorney-General: Can the Re- say, will be open to the public at the ceiver-General tell us the policy of the end of the present week. I hope mem- Harbour Board with regard to parking bers of the Court will do the Harbour cars during the winter? Commissioners the honour of paying these shelters a visit. ("Hear, hear.") Mr Kitto: Private cars go down to the At , there are repairs to the new Red Pier, to meet the boat coming old breakwater, and the pavement of the in, and they have to park outside the breakwater road; and there is dredging Steam Packet offices. Hired cars may to be done at Peel, Ramsey, and Port stop just outside the gates. Erin, The amount to be spent on the The Receiver-General: In answer to Victoria Pier buildings is about £100 the hon. member for South Douglas, it less, because very considerable improve- was thought that it would be unwise to ments have been made during the close the Victoria Pier shelter entirely, present year. Douglas Swing Bridge is because if there are queues, people will to cost a little less, £35; but the Queen's want to get in and out. It would lve Pier at Ramsey shows a £870 increase. very awkward if there were no openings I might explain to the Court that at the there. But when you remember that we north-west corner of the extension to now have shelter for 7,000 people, I that pier, considerable improvement will think that most of them will be able to have to be made, and it will take two or get down below where those openings three years, or perhaps four, to do it. are. The parking of cars on the Vic- It has got to be done in the summer; I toria Pier has never been permitted. want to make it clear to the Court that The Harbour Board haven't departed that work cannot be carried out during from any original policy of theirs. the winter. It has got to be encased in Mr J. H. L. Cowin: Then it is about concrete We have no big schemes at time it was permitted. the harbours this year, but we shall be able to employ 65 men, or two more The Receiver-General: This is not pub- than we had last year from the register. lic ground, and the Harbour Board are There are certain improvements at the not compelled, neither could they be ex- different harbours, but no big schemes pected, to find parking accommodation are in contemplation. for cars. In answer to the hon. mem- ber for North Douglas, Mr Kitto. we Mr Gill seconded. propose considering the question of Mr Norris: I should like to compli- parking on the King Edward Pier with ment the Harbour Board on the excel- regard to the taxicabs. We did make a lence of the work they have done at the regulation last year, which helped them two piers. I saw the work at the Red somewhat, and we can gain by experi- Pier as recently as this morning, and I ence as we go along. As for private greatly admired it. ("Hear, hear.") cars, we have nowhere to put them on the King Edward Pier. We cannot have Mr Alfred Teare: With regard to the private cars and hired cars together. I shelter on the north side of the Victoria think we have done as well as we pos- Pier, I would like to ask the Receiver- sibly ctuld, but the Court knows that General whether it is intended to have the Viaduct is a one-way thoroughfare. the shelter screened on the south. We You come in from Peveril Square, and know that the south-west wind carries go ent by the Steam Packet offices. I rain, and with the beat it comes right don't think we can adopt a better into the shelter. I wonder if any pro- system. vision could be made for storm protec- tion there? Mr Fargher: Would the Receiver- General consider removing the "one- The Receiver-General: Do you reier way traffic" signs on the south side of the to the Viaduct? Arcade? That road leads into the ar- Mr Alfred Teare: No, but to the shel- terial road out of Douglas, in the New ter on the Victoria Pier, on its inner Street area down Lord Street. At

Vote for Harbour Maintenance. tYNWALD COURT, JUNE I, 1938. 587 • present, trallic coming from the Pier has that if you put the limit at ten miles per to go along the north side of the pier, hour, people will do fifteen or twenty. and then cut across Peveril Square, (Laughter.) If they go at eight or ten where the Douglas Corporation has stops miles per hour, I can tell the Court that for buses for about four different des- there will be no prosecution. That was tinations. The traffic gets terribly con- the idea. (Laughter.) I have had some gested there. ,It would be a blessing to experience of motor cars, and I know the owners of cars if the south side of that five miles per hour is crawling. I he Arcade was made a two-way thor- But members will understand what I oughfare instead of one. The only rea- mean; that if they go at no more than .,..on why it is one-way is that the Road ten miles per hour—and I am certain Service buses park on the south side. that they are doing that already—no ac- Deemster Cowley: May I ask whether tion will be taken. it is intended to continue the present Mr J. IL L. Cowin: May I ask if any 5 m.p.h. speed limit? (Laughter.) further consideration has been given by The Receiver-General: In reply to the the Harbour Board to the question of hon. member for Middle, that problem covering in the whole extent of the Pier? came before us when the King Edward Your Excellency may be letting your Pier was opened. In consultation with mind go back to the day when we had the late Chief Constable, Col. Madoc, we the pleasure of welcoming you on the visited the place and saw the traffic. Victoria Pier. You will know that hun- What was happening was this: A boat dreds and thousands of people suffered was leaving the Victoria Pier, and inconvenience from the weather on that another the King Edward Pier. The occasion, and I think the Harbour Board traffic from the left-hand side of the should give serious consideration to the Arcade Buildings was coming up, and possibility of avoiding that. then cutting across the Viaduct or going The Receiver-General: 1 don't know right into the traffic from the Victoria whether I shall live to see the Victoria Pier. That traffic goes now, as the hon. Pier. covered or not. The only way in member will know, along the promenade which we could do it is by widening the and along Parade Street. It would be pier another sixteen feet. extremely dangerous to have any traffic, especially in the summer, coming up on Mr J. H. L. Cowin: It would be money the left-hand side of the Arcade, es- well worth sPending. pecially when the boats are coming in. The Receiver-General: One of the Mr Eargrier: Would thern Receiver- most important questions the Court can General tell us how often, of two boats. consider is the widening of the Victoria one is discharging at the King Edward Pier. I admit that it is a very big job, Pier and one at the Victoria Pier? When it is done, whether in my lifetime Throughout the summer, only the Hey- or not, there will be no difficulty in sham boat discharges at the King covering the pier. At present we could Edward Pier, and only carries a couple not cover the sides of it. of hundred people. The resolution was put and carried. The Receiver-General: If the hon. member will do the Harbour Board the VOTES FOR HARBOUR honour of looking at their annual re- IMPROVEMENTS, port, and seeing the number of passen- gers landed at the King Edward Pier The Receiver-General: I beg to move:— during the summer, he will take a differ- That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man he ent view. authorised to transfer to the general revenue from the passenger duty and harbour dues, Mr Fargher: That is only for one or either of them, levied or to be levied at the week-end. several harbours during the year ending 31st March, 1939, a sum not exceeding £5,250, for The Receiver-General: We are doing the purpose of enabling the Harbour Commis- the best we possibly can. With regard sioners to— to the question of His Honour Deemster (1) Repair the Alfred Pier, Port St Cowley, let me make the frank admis- Mary £750 sion that five miles per hour is a very (2) Reconstruct Peel Quay Road Bridge slow pace. But we had this in view, and Roadway 1,000

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(3) Modernise the Douglas fog signal one master, who had never been here and remove it to a IICIV position 700 (4) Reconstruct the Harbourmaster's before, said he would not have at- Office, build a dwelling-house, tempted to make the port but for the stores, etc., Port St. Mary 1.80 fog signal on the Victoria Pier. (Con- (5) Repair the Ramsey North Break- water tinuing): The Court will remember that 1.000 last year the Harbour .Board was per- £5,259 mitted to purchase certain property in the vicinity of the harbourmaster's As I pointed out last year, the Alfred office at Port St. Mary. That office is in Pier at Port St. Mary is in a very ex- a very bad state of repair, and really is posed position, and it is impossible to not worth repairing. We purchased carry out the work in the winter, It is property adjoining, with the object of being continued this year, in the summer. erecting a house for the harbourmaster. In fact, we intend to start The harbourmaster at Port St. Mary has very shortly. With regard to the Peel no house, strange to say, though he has quay road, from the new bridge, that one at Port Erin. It is the purpose of road is in a very bad state of repair, the Board to proceed with the erection and there are old stone bollards. a great of the new office, and the new house, distance from the edge of the quay, during the coming winter. I think the which take up a good deal of the road- Court will see that it is reasonable, way. We propose to put that work in especially where there is only one hand next winter. It will take more than one winter to do. As for the new harbourmaster, that he should be as near as possible to the harbour of which fog signal at Douglas, the work is now he has the control. With regard to the in, hand, and will be installed by about proposed expenditure on the Ramsey the end of this month. Hon. members north breakwater, the Court will remem- will know that the Douglas fog signals ber that when the big storm was on, have for several years been of very little very considerable damage was done to service indeed. The order was placed that breakwater. It is a very old many months ago, and we hope to have structure, and consists of wood filled it completed by the end of June or early in with stones. While we have done in July. certain repairs on it, we shall be obliged, Mr J. H. L. Cowin: Is this the signal if we are to keep it going at all, to which we know as "Wailing Wilfred"? spend a considerable sum of money upon (Laughter.) it. That also will be put in hand, and Mr Fargher: Will it do away with indeed is in hand now. "Wailing Wilfred"? The resolution was put and carried_ The Receiver-General; No, "Wailing - Wilfred" is on the Victoria Pier. Since the hon. member has mentioned it, I VOTE FOR HIGHWAYS. will say that if hon. members only knew Mr Southward; I beg to move:— how that fog signal was being appre- ciated, not only by passenger boats but That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be authorised to apply from the current revenue coasting boats, less would be said about of this isle, during the year eliding list March, it. A great deal has been said in the 1939, a HUI1) not exceeding £62,729 for the pur- Press which is not complimentary to the pose of defraying the expenditure to be in- Harbour Board for having installed it. curred By the Highway Board in connection But one night, six steamers arrived with the following services during fog and each master, without (a) Reconstruction of scheduled roads £42,000 (b) Bye-pass Road, Castletown 1,409 any attempt by anyone to influence him, (c) King Edward Road—Baldromma sent a letter to- the harbourmaster's orossing diversion scheme 500 office, complimenting the Board on the Quarry development and general installation of the signal. works 5,000 (c) Land drainage 5,347 Mr Fargher: We agree. (f) Quarter Bridge, Douglas—widen- The Receiver-General; I may say that ing of 6,732

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(0 Grant towards excess expenditure of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, on :road works 1937-38 1,750 1939, a sum not exceeding £10,901 for the pur. pose of defraying the expenditure to be in- £62,729 curred in connection with the following ser- Urania to be made from time to time on the vices :— certificate of the Surveyor-General as to the (a) Local Government Board £9,901 total cost of the work completed. (b) The Rousing (Rural Workers) Act, The work provided for in this resolution to 1929 1,000 be carried out only between let November, 1938, and list March, 1939, and all labour £/0.901 (other than the permanent staff required for supervision) to be engaged from the regieter of It is somewhat difficult for a member unemployed. to speak in this Court to-day without The first item is the annual grant ot feeling that he may be held up to £25,000, and the annual grant of £17,000 ridicule, after reading an article which in lieu of the remitted half of the vehicle appeared in yesterday's daily paper, tax. Then there is £1,400 for complet- which I think calls for some explana- ing the byepass road at Castletown. tion, and I think possibly some action King Edward Road, £500—that is for on the part of your Excellency. We taking away the corner on the Laxey have all been held up to ridicule, side of the crossing at Baldromma. your Excellency included, by a local Then there is £5,000 for quarry de- paper, and I don't think, to say the velopment, which is used altogether as least of it, that it is playing the game. For the first time, the Local Govern- a 100 per cent. grant for unemployment ment expenditure has got over the relief. The sum of £5,347 for land £10,000 mark. Through increased drainage is the ordinary item. The vote legislation, much more work is being of £6,732 for the widening of the thrust upon us year by year. The first Quarter Bridge, Douglas, is a new item; increase on last year's vote is £100 for and the remaining £1,750 is the grant bacteriological examinations. The Board towards the increased wages paid last have commenced a more intenive cam- year, which on the works financed by paign for the examination of milk and the Government grant amounted to other things, and naturally the expenses £1,750, but on the whole of the work are bound to go up. There is an increase done by the Board will probably be of £174 under the heading of "inciden- £2,500. I don't think the revemia re- tal expenses." That also is occasioned ceived by the Board will be exactly the by additional work. There is £200 same as is returned in the estimates of extra in connection with rat extermin- receipts and expenditure recently issued ation, which is necessary owing to the to members of the Legislature, which new Bill which the Legislature has just totals £40,110, It will probably be passed. Then we come to an increase something less, because in the first in- of £850 for expenses under the Water stance we are losing a certain amount Supply Acts. That is the money expen- of revenue from the dog licences, now ded by the Government under the that free licences are being given to clauses of the Water Supply Acts, the farmers, and there are some other whereby water supplies are provided on things as well. I might explain, if yuu certain terms for various localities. have that return in your hand—or if Last year the expenditure was £937, you would care to take the vote as made up as follows:—Douglas Corpor- it is- ation, Union Mills extension, £20 17s 4d; Douglas Corporation, Garwick exten- There were cries of "Agreed." sion, £463 lOs 7d; Malew Commis- Mr Southward resumed his seat, and sioners, Cross-Four-Ways extension, the resolution was put and carried. £117 Ss 9d; Michael Commissioners, Rhencufien extension, £13 lOs 3d; Michael Commissioners, Orrisdale ex- LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOARD tension, £47 13s; Michael Commission- EXPENSES. ers, B'shopscourt extension, E.9 15s Id; Mr Crellin: I beg to move:— Marown Commissioners, extension, That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be £213 115 4d; Colby-Arbory extension, authorised to apply from the current revenue £51 Os 9d. So you will see that the

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money is spread pretty well throughout ordinary that in spite of this decrease in the Island, and that the Act has been infectious disease, the deaths of adults, taken up widely by the various water the deaths among children under one authorities. The motor car running year, and the deaths from tuberculosis, expenses naturally go up on account of have all risen, and risen very consider- the increased work. There is an ably. The Court will also note that increase of £435 in the cost of treating owing to the sporadic outbreaks of patients at the Croak Ruagla sanator- typhoid which have occurred since 1884, ium. But that is offset by a saving of we asked His Excellency if he would £400 on the amount estimated to be kindly get an expert from the Ministry spent in sending patients on the main- of Health to investigate the matter for land, which this year is not necessary. us. He went very carefully into the There is a saving of £500 on the amount matter, even to the extent of considering allocated for rural houses. Rural the possibility of the disease being con- housing expenses are very difficult to tracted from shellfish, and the nature of estimate. Many houses have been put their beds in the ocean, and though he up, and many are still going up. Only came to the conclusion that the Board on Friday last the Board had an had dealt in the proper manner with application for a grant in respect of each case as it arose, he did make the four. Fortunately they didn't all want suggestion that there should be a the maximum grant of £100. This vote medical officer of health for the Island, may be spent this year, or it may be and that if the Island was divided into spent next year; it depends on when larger districts, to which sanitary officers the houses are completed, and the were appointed, it would be for the accounts put through. Apart from that Island's benefit. At present there are it is very interesting to note how the seventeen sanitary officers for a small Board's budgetting is practically accu- area like this Island, most of whom are rate. We have managed to come out quite unqualified. with Bs lid of a balance on the right Mr Alfred Teare: Some are paid lOs or side. (Laughter), The Board has had £.1 for the year. a very busy year; we have had many Mr Crellin: We cannot submit this big problems to solve, all of which, I gentleman's report to Tynwald, because am glad to say, are nearing solution. it is of an extremely confidential nature. We have had questions of the isolation Certain persons who may be carriers of hospital, fire-fighting, public abattoirs the disease have had their case dealt in the South, trunk sewers, Southern with, and it would not do to have these water schemes, and so on. As the Court matters brought before Tynwald and knows, these things take time. The broadcast. Tuberculosis is giving the local authority does not meet oftener Board a great deal of worry, and taking than once a month; their reply may miss up a lot of its time. The report of Dr. the next meeting of the Local Govern- Bradbury, our visiting tuberculosis ment Board, which means six weeks' officer, is contained in the Board's delay in answering the letter. However, annual report, and he deals with the as I said, we can see daylight. question very fully. He reports that on We have asked His Excellency to looking over the records for 1937, he have prepared a Bill dealing with the finds evidence of considerable progress isolation hospital, and the appointment in the tuberculosis scheme. "The sana- of a medical officer of health, which will torium continues to function satisfac- be submitted to Tynwald in due course. torily—so much so that it was found It is very satisfactory to the Board, and necessary to send only three patients to no doubt to the Island, to note the huge mainland sanatoria in 1937." Then he drop in the number of cases of infectious goes on to say that he finds it .a. little diseases last year. It was the lowest on difficult to understand why full use is record. But of course epidemics come not made of the institution. Only six- and go, and next year we may have, for teen patients were resident there at the instance, a great run of measles. But if end of 1937, although accommodation members will look at the pages in the was available for thirty. Board's report which contain charts, The Speaker: I think there are some they will probably consider it extra- more now.

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Mr Crellin: It is very difficult, in pre- Mr Norris: Will the mover tell us what senting these reports, to have to go back progress is being made with regard to to the end of December, which is the end derelict buildings, under an Act passed of the year which is under review. Dr. for the purpose? Bradbury suggests that people are afraid Mr Crellin: We have had much cor- to go to the sanatorium, because respondence with local authorities it is considered to be a place throughout the Island on this subject. where they go as a last resort. About three weeks ago we sent off another But figures show that it is other- reminder. I think many of the local wise, because, of the 47 deaths from authorities—I won't say most—have noti- tuberculosis last year, only eight took fied the owners of derelict buildings, and place in the sanatorium. He comments a good many have been demolished, or that out of those 47 deaths, only 23 were will, be demolished in the near future. It known to him or to the Board, showing is a thing that you have got to do very that even now a considerable number of gradually. Some people still hold that cases of tuberculosis are not notified. these buildings are not eyesores, and un- Mr Norris: Is notification compulsory? doubtedly some of them are not. We Mr Crellin: No, but the Board are con- have to get the worst removed first, and sidering it. One of the reasons why a then work on the job bit by bit. larger number of deaths from tuberculosis Mr Dalgleish: Before the resolution is is reported last year is that, in the past, put, I would like to ask the mover what the cause of death may have been, tuber- is intended to be done to meet the great culosis plus some other disease. That is increase in diseased cattle in the Island? to say, if a person dies from tuberculosis I think that is a very serious question. If and something else—complications"- you look at the report, you will find that we now notify it as tuberculosis. The 220 cattle—. Milk and Dairies Act has been well at- tended to. The Board has taken many The Governor: I don't think that arises more samples of milk, and many more on the present vote. cowhouses have been renovated. But The resolution was put and carried. there is one point on which I should like to dwell for a moment. We are working now, as members know, together with OLD AGE PENSIONS AND NATIONAL the Douglas Corporation. They take HEALTH INSURANCE VOTE. samples in the morning of milk coining The Attorney-General moved:— into the town. But the other day, our That tho Treasurer of the Isle of man be inspectors happened to be out at the same authorised to apply a sum not exceeding time as the Corporation inspectors, and ,L76,219 during the year ending 31st March, the Corporation inspectors were wroth 1939, to be provided as to two-thirds thereof that our inspectors should be doing this From the Income Tax Fund, and the remainder work on the same day as they. I feel From the current revenue of this Isle, for the purpose of defraying (a.) old age pensions and that we must work with them, but not the proportion of the benefits of National leave everything for them. This par- Health Insurance under the provisions of the ticular morning, we were out after a par- Old Age Pensions and National Health Insur- ticular case. We had heard rumours of ance Acte, and for the administration of such something going on, and our inspectors Acts (.£74,968), (b). the expenses to be incurred were acting the part of sleuth hounds. by the Treasurer in carrying out the duties (Laughter.) Imposed upon him by such Acts (£1,250). There are alFo votes following this Mr Norris: Did you manage it? dealing with widows' and orphans' con- Mr Crellin: Not yet. But it doesn't do tributory pensions and voluntary pen- for the Corporation to try and prevent us sions, which might be dealt with at the taking samples. The report deals with same time. They are dealt with in a many matters, but it is not necessary for eport of 33 pages, and unless members me to go right through it. I will en- want information on any particular deavour to answer any questions that may matter. I need not take up time referring be put by members of the Court, and I to them all, as I am entitled to assume now beg to move the resolution. that members have read the report. With

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regard to the number of pensions paid on Health Insurance scheme. Every case is September 31st last, 4,090 people in the investigated carefully, and special treat- Isle of Man—one in every twelve—were ment is given on the recommendation of drawing either an old age pension, a the doctors. At the present time we are blind pension, an incapacity pension, a paying out £342 per week in old age widow's pension, or an orphan's pension. contributory pensions, and £450 per What that means in the social life of the week in widows' and orphans' pensions. Island needs no imagination. This great It is easy to imagine what that means to social scheme, dealing with all these the Island, because practically all that matters, is working with the greatest money is spent in the various shops of possible smoothness, and no one has the Island. heard of a case or any prosecution in court. There has never been a dispute Mr Norris: I would like to second that. or complaint. In the last twenty years, Deemster Cowley: There is one small £1,500,000 has been paid out in pensions point I would like to bring to the notice and benefits. No doubt that has been of the Board. I do so, not in any spirit due to the work of Mr Stranks and his of criticism, because I have nothing but assistants, which the Board gratefully praise for the work which is being done. acknowledge. Applications are still There is this question upon which pos- coming in for the voluntary pensions sibly a little public discussion would ease scheme, and we hope that the Royal what is felt to be a difficulty. Under the Assent to the 13i11 will soon be an- provisions of the Act, the National Health nounced. Members will get some small Insurance Society may make annual sub- idea of the vastness of the scheme when scriptions to hospitals, and they have, they see that last year two-thirds of the under that provision, made a grant since insured persons in the Island, who num- their inception of £120 to Noble's Hos- ber 17,000, consulted doctors. Any roan pital, and £40 to the Ramsey Cottage or woman who is ill, and who comes Hospital. That is, of course, a very wel- under the scheme, without any hesitation come addition to the funds of the Hos- whatever can go to any doctor in the pital. But this difficulty has arisen. In Island to get the advice, skilled atten- considering the charge made to any per- tion, and medicine he or she requires. son who comes into the hospital, one has That is a great boon that many realise. always regard to their means, and they The services rendered by the doctors to are only asked to pay such sums as they insured persons, if paid for at the ordin- are able and willing to pay. Owing to ary fees, would cost £12,000. Actually the fact that subscriptions are made to the the amount paid the doctors in respect Hospital, nearly every insured person of panel patients amounts to £7,000. claims he is entitled to the Hospital treat- This is due to the medical pool which is ment free of charge. When it is suggested shared amongst them, so that for insur- he should make some small contribu- ance work the doctors are paid at the tion, he says, "I am a Health Insurance rate of seven-twelfths of the normal patient." Representations have been scale. The Island has reason to be grate- made by the Hospital to the Society, and ful to the medical profession for ad- figures have been produced showing the ministering this scheme with such great enormous cost to the Hospital of Health' satisfaction to the public. It is years Insurance patients. I suggest that, if since we have had any complaint, great members of the Old Age Pensions Board, or small, from any patient. If a patient in conjunction with the Society, could has a complaint, all he has to do is to convene a joint conference with the make it known. If a patient does not Society and those who represent the like to attend one doctor, he can go to hospitals, some arrangement could be another. There is further medical bene- come to to remove what is felt to be an fit by its extension, al a cost of £1,300 a unfair burden placed on the hospitals if year, to provide consultants' fees, sur- the circumstances. gical apparatus, bath chairs, artificial limbs, surgeons' fees for operations, Mr Alcock: I would like to raise a ques- specialists for ear, nose, throat, eye, tion on the interpretation of the Act. I and heart complaints, and orthopxdic was on the Board for four years, and I treatment. In this respect the Isle of believe I was put off because I was con- Man is far in advance of the English tinually getting these odd cases. I know

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of a case now where a man in the North, our Act, we are prevented from giving aged 30, married a woman of 50. He is more than a certain amount laid down by now 50 and she is 70. She applied for an the actuary. With regard to patients old age pension at 65, and was told she going to the Hospital and claiming that, could not get it. When she applied at 70, as insured persons, they are entitled to she was told she would get a pension on a all treatment free of charge, it is up to means test. As the man was getting the Hospital to tell them they are not en- employment at iL',2 5s 6d a week, titled to that. Everyone going to the Hos- that put her out o" court. The pital, if they can, pays 35s a week, and woman attains the age of 65, and if her if they can only pay lOs or 15s they husband is entitled to a pension, she also ought to do it. I know a lot of working should get a pension. When is a man class patients who do give what they can. "entitled" to a pension? I say he is The Attorney-General has said that no entitled to a pension at a certain age if other national health insurance schemes he fulfils all the requirements—stamp- are giving more benefits and advantages ing of cards, etc. And, further, I say than what members are .getting in the that he is "entitled' to a pension as soon Isle of Man. There are facilities for as he outs the first stamp on his card. specialists, and in compensation cases a It is a sign of a contract between him- person who has been insured can use the self and and the Pensions Board. One Society officials to prosecute his case—a would expect this Board to ascertain the thing which is not done in England. In age of the man and the wife immediateiy England, the Trade Union takes up the they entered insurance, and there and case, or the man himself. then refuse to take 5Ad a week from Mr Fargher: Or the approved society. the husband for a benefit his wife could Mr Craine: The approved society not obtain. This woman will have to doesn't take it up. They don't fight the live to the age of 85 before she can get man's case in England. So far as the Isle a pension, if the Pension Board's inter- of Man is concerned, the Society is a pretation of the Act is correct. splendid institution and is doing a tre- Mr Craine: The moral is to marry a mendous amount of good, which the in- younger woman. sured persons fully appreciate. Mr Alcock: You are not going to fine Mr Kitto: I should like to endorse what him because he did that. This man is the Deemster has said with regard to the paying lid per week for insurance. I contributions to the hospitals. There are suppose he should have declared the age anomalies with regard to Noble's Hos- of his wife, He should have been told pital. I understand the specialist's fee that the Society would not take 5icl a can be used for X-ray treatment. We week from him for his wife because she are paying medical practitioners for doing would not be getting it. I would like to X-ray work. A doctor takes the patient know what is the interpretation of this to the Hospital and he is paid for making Act. an examination, but, in a lot of these X-ray cases, it costs the Hospital a great Mr Craine: With regard to the remarks deal of money. All the apparatus has been of the learned Deemstur, on the help the supplied at the cost of the Hospital. National Health Insurance Society has f feel sure this Court does not want a given to the Hospital, I might say I am social service for which they are getting a member of the Hospital Committee as credit to be paid for by voluntary con- well as a director of the Society, and I tributions. I think the contributions can quite see that, if it is possible, the should be raised so that these anomalies Society ought to give more assistance to can be removed. Noble's Hospital. There is an idea abroad that the Society are unwilling to do this. The Attorney-General: We have re- Small though the contribution may be to moved a difficulty in regard to the in- the Hospital, it is larger than what is capacity pension. The Court will re- given by any approved society in the Em- member that under a special clause in pire. What we are giving as a grant is our Act we can grant pensions where more than any other approved society in persons are totally incapacitated. A England gives to their hospital. Under difficult case was that of a woman who

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was not engaged in remunerative em- practitioner gives, and does not fall ployment, who might spend her time within the treatment provided. Neither pottering around the house, for ex- in England nor in the Isle of Man is ample, boiling kettles, dusting rooms, that kind of service part of the scheme. etc., the ordinary work that a woman The Society have power to make grants does about a house. A woman may be to hospitals, and have a fixed limit. very ill with rheumatism and still do Rather reluctantly, they were allowed to that. We could not then say that she go higher than in England because our was totally incapacitated. We have Society was very solvent. altered that, and now that the fact that Mr Craine: The Act will have to be a woman is able to perform light house- altered. hold duties will not debar her from receiving a pension. With regard to the Deemster Cowley: The Act makes no point raised by the hon member for limit. It is the actuary. Ramsey, I might say we were heartily The Attorney-General We have tried glad to see him off the Board. to meet the situation out of our addi- (Laughter.) He is too soft-hearted to tional benefit fund. We pay the doctors a administer an Act of Tynwald. We can guinea for every X-ray examination, on only grant pensions and benefits on tne the understanding that they pass on half- terms laid down with the utmost care a-guinea to the Hospital. If the Court and arrived at by actuarial investiga- wants to help the Hospital—and I hope tion. The Board has not got to say, We you do, because we are very proud of think this is a hard case, although it the great service our hospital is render. does not come into this scheme." If it ing—you can do it if someone will ask does not come in, we have to say no. His Excellency to increase the special The hon. 'member is constitutionally in- medical vote. We now pay £1,300. If capable of doing that because of his any hon. member will put a declaratory good nature. In the case he has men- resolution on the agenda that we should tioned, the lady was above age and not now pay another £1,000 to apply to the within the Act. This is a contributory Hospital. it could be done in that way. scheme, and members have got to con- It cannot be done out of the funds of tribute a certain amount before they are the Society. entitled to benefit. If you are above a certain age, you can't come in. It is The vote was carried. unfortunate, but we have to carry out the Act. WAR PENSIONS. Mr Norris: She is now 70. ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES. The Attorney-General: Her husband's Deernster Farrant: I beg to move:— means are above the amount That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be laid down, and he is not qualified authorised to apply from the current revenue until he is 65. The Hospital of this Isle a sum not exceeding £470 for the has been a difficulty for some time. purpose a defraying, during the year ending 31st March, 1939, the administrative expenses There are two sets of funds, the Society's of the committee appointed by the Court under and the Board's. The Society is not a the Naval and Military War PC11910113 (Isle of scheme to cover every kind of illness Man) Act, 1915. and everything that befalls of that kind. Agreed. When a person who is a member is ill, there are two or three things that the Society does, Firstly, it provides MENTAL HOSPITAL BOARD monetary payments, which are now in- EXPENSES. creased; secondly, it renders ordinary Mr Craine: I beg to move:— medical service, the service that the That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be ordinary practitioner can render; and authorised to apply from the current revenue thlrdly, it provides medicine. That is of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, 1939, a sum not exceeding £2,250 for the pur- all the members pay for, and that is all pose of defraying the expenditure to be in- the Society is allowed to give. Hospital curred by the Mental Hospital Board in the treatment is not treatment the ordinary administration of the Mental Diseases Acts.

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This vote is to meet the estimates for Manx Cottage at Golane, Jurby, next year. Last year the vote was 21,850, to remove the chiollagh with and this year it has been increased to lintel stone and basement, which £2,250, owing chiefly to a rise in we are re-erecting in the lower overhead charges. There has been hall of the Museum, so that we will a rise all round in the cost of have a restored cottage from the North of material, chiefly coal and light, and we the Island in the Museum, and another have also had to meet the new sinking one from the South at Cregneish. fund charges on the additional building. This year our charges with respect to The vote was carried. interest and sinking fund have been £615. The vote was agreed to. PUBLICITY GRANT. The Speaker: I Move:— MUSEUM AND ANCIENT That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be MONUMENTS TRUSTEES EXPENSES. authorised to apply from the current revenue of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, Deemster Farrant: I move: 1939, a sum not exceeding £10,000 as a grant That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be to the Publicity Board for the purpose of ad- authorised to apply from the current revenue vertising the island. of this Isle a sum not exceeding 42,508 for the purpose of defraying, during the year ending The vote is the same as it has been for 31st March, 1939, the expenses of the muHeam several years. I regret to say that the and Ancient Monuments Trustees, rise in the cost of advertising and print- This is the annual vote, and this year we ing has handicapped the Board to some are asking for a slight increase to meet extent; but we have tried to cover all the various improvements which have the ground effectively. The Court will been carried out. This year the new wing be aware that we have received an extra has been completed and an ornithologist grant of £2,500 for a stand at the Glas- engaged to classify the exhibits, gow Exhibition, and from the man in and we have also had the advice charge and from people who have visited of various experts on the subject. One the exhibition I have every confidence part of the new wing is devoted to folk that the stand will prove of great assist- culture, and I am told that it equals any ance, and more than compensate for the similar collection in any part of the United little economies in other directions which Kingdom. In this section we are re- may have been caused by the rise in constructing an old farm cottage of the costs. Our relations with all the great 18th century, so far as we now can re- carrying companies on which the Isle of construct it. It has also been found Man so largely depends have been main- necessary to call in further assistance, and tained on a very friendly basis. We are one young man has shown great promise. on the very best terms with the railway He has already published one book on companies. I think I can never remem- bird life, and he has a considerable repu- ber a time when there was a better spirit tation as an ornithologist. We now have of co-operation between the Publicity a staff of seven people, and we are there- Board and the Isle of Man Steam Packet fore compelled to ask for more money. Company. This year we have joined to- Last year the vote was £2,250, and this gether in a new venture in an advertis- year we are asking you for a vote of ing van which is now going round the C2,500 to meet the increased salaries clue country and visiting Lancashire, York- to the increased staff. The scale was fixed shire, and the Midlands, by which we last year, and these with the opening of hope to get into touch with all sorts and the new gallery and other things have conditions of people. The van is pro- compelled us to ask for £2,500, instead vided by the Steam Packet Company, of the £2,250 last year. and the Board are assisting to a certain The Attorney-General: I second that. I extent by the provision of literature, and would like to remind members that Harry some of the cost of financing the venture. Kelly's cottage at Cregneish has now I hope, Your Excellency, that the coming been restored and is to be opened on season will be as good as ever, and that Saturday next by one of the daughters hope is based on the number of inquiries of the late T. E. Brown. We have also we have had from the mainland. The been permitted by the owner of an old inquiries for literature this year have so

Museum and Ancient Monuments Trustees' Expenses.—Publicity Grant. 596 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 1, 1938. far been larger than ever before. We vice we have to pay. Regular com- hope to put before Your Excellency in munication is maintained with every the near future—the Court will hear 'plane. I think it is so very important about it later—a new publicity plan; but that we should keep this service free since the Court has so very generously from danger. (Hear, hear.) This is an voted £2,500 for the Exhibition proposal, exact apportionment as already agreed we have not brought the matter for- upon. ward. I hope that when the time comes, The motion was carried. Your Excellency will favour that pro- posal. As far as I can judge, the work of the Board is carried out smoothly and AUTOMATIC TRAFFIC SIGNALS. very well, and the members of the local authorities are giving very valuable time The Attorney-General moved:— and assistance in the work of the Board. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Mau be authorised to apply from the current revenue Mr Norris seconded, and the vote was of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, carried. 1939, a suns not exceeding £1,500 for the pur- pose of providing 75 per cent, of the capital cost arid annual maintenance of automatic WIRELESS SERVICE AT RONALDS- traffic lights erected or to be erected at cross. Ings on such scheduled roads as may be re- WAY AIRPORT commended by road authorities and approved The Attorney-General moved:— by the Lieutenant-Governor, That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be He said: This resolution follows upon authorised to apply from the current revenue representations that have been made of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, 1939, a sum not exceeding £2,508 for defraying urging that more traffic signals should the 's proportion of the be erected. As the cost falls upon the cost of wireless service at Ronaldsway Airport. local authorities and the representatives He said: This is our annual contribu- of Government, it has been agreed that tion towards the cost of the very valu- we pay '75 per cent. of the cost. able wireless station which is operated Mr Crellin: Is it confined to local in connection with Ronaldsway Aero- authorities? drome. The Attorney-General: I should have The Speaker: Is the Attorney-General said road authorities. correct in saying this is an annual con- Agreed. tribution? It seems an enormous sum. The Attorney-General: The cost is WATER SUPPLY ACTS, 1929-34.— very heavy, and there is a large staff. ENGINEER FOR SOUTHERN SCHEME There are three men on duty, working all the time. Deemster Cowley moved:— That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Mr Alcock: I think we only agreed to authorised to stun, from the current revenue £500 in the first instance. of this Isle, during the year ending list March, The Attorney-General: This is exactly 7.939, a sum not exceeding £800 to meet the cost of salary (£650 per annum) and other ex- in accordance with the arrangement. penses of a water engineer appointed bY the Ronaldsway has become the second Local Government Board for the purpose of busiest airport in the kingdom, and is preparing plans, specifications and estimate of now next to Croydon. I happened to be the cost of a reservoir for the South of the down there last year on August Bank Holiday. when 'planes were. coming in He said: This is a financial vote fol- in foggy weather. I went into the con- lowing upon a resolution of this Court trol office, and there I found the officer authorising the engagement by the Local had 10 'planes in contact with him. He Government Board of the water en- numbered them off, kept some of them gineer who is at present dealing with so many miles off, and brought each one the Southern water system. The work into the zone for landing. Every one oi is in progress. A preliminary report has them landed safely out of that fog with- been received, and it is being considered out difficulty or danger. For that ser- and reported upon by the Public Works

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Commission. As your Excellency stated birthday recognition of the services of in your Budget speech, it is hoped that the hon. member Mr Alcock. early progress will be made. • Mr Craine: I think great credit should Mr MeArd: As a member of the be given to the hon. member for Ramsey, Rus hen Water Board, I would like to say because he has been hammering at this that while we appreciate the fact of this for so long. The irony of it is this. work being started, we do want to point Though Ramsey has asked for this for out the urgency of it. We have been in the past nine years, I think it is rather a precarious position in the South of the unfair to the hon. member to find that Island for a number of years. We have his work has been for nothing, and that other obligations to the Howe and Glen instead of relieving the rates of 6d, the Chass, where it is necessary a water Commissioners had taken advantage of supply should be immediately given. this and put the rates up 4d.. We do hope that this work, if possible, Agreed. will be started during the coming winter. In the South we fully expected that would be so. In dealing with un- PUBLICITY BOARD GRANT FOR employment schemes, we refrained from STAND AT EMPIRE EXHIBITION. embarking on large schemes this winter The Speaker moved:— in the expectation that this work would 'that the Treasurer a the Isle of Man be be carried on. If you go back into the authorised to apply from the current revenue history of this scheme, you will find that of this Isle, during the year ending list March, Mr Greenfield pointed out the serious- 1939, a sum not exceeding 41,300, being the ness of the position we were in. In 1935 balance of the vote of 42,500 passed by Tyn- wald on the 15th February, 1938, to enable the it was stated that the first impounding Isle of Man Publicity Board to advertise the reservoir should be finished by 1939. I attractions of the isle of Man at the Empire do want to stress the urgency for start- Exhibition in Glasgow during May to October, ing this work, and although there is no 1938. vote on this matter, I hope the Court He said: This is the unexpended por- will consider starting it this coming tion of a grant of £2,500 for the cost of winter. the stand at the Glasgow Exhibition. Agreed. Agreed.

GRANT FOR SWING BRIDGE, RAMSEY. NORTHERN WATER SUPPLY SCHEME.—SECOND INSTAL- Deemster Cowley moved:— MENT. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Mr Southward moved:— authorised to apply from the current revenue of this Isle, during the year ending list March, That in pursuance of the resolution of T3-n- 1939, a sum not exceeding 4650, being the first weld of 16th April, 1937, the Treasurer of the of nine annual contributions to be made to the Isle of Man be authorised to apply from the Ramsey Town Commmissioners towards the current revenue of this Isle a sum not exceed- capital cost and maintenance charges of the ing 829,000 to enable the Northern Water Ramsey Swing Bridge. Board to proceed with the second instalment of the scheme for a public water supply to the He said: This is the first financial vote northern parishes of the Island. in respect of and following upon the The work to begin on the let November, 1958, resolution of Tynwald adopting the re- and all labour, other than key men, to be em- port of the Public Works Commission ployed thereon to be engaged from the register dealing with the Ramsey Swing Bridge. of unemployed. All contracts for work entered into by the When the matter came before the Court, Northern water Board to be approved by the it was then fully explained, and it will Local Government Board, who shall certify to hardly be the wish of the Court that I the Government Treasurer payments to be should go into the facts which led the made in respect of such contracts. Commission to recommend this assist- He said; This is provision of money ance for Ramsey. It is rather a pity to carry on the Northern scheme that this resolution was not passed as a for the year. Of this £29,000, £8,000

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has already been expended. The con- LOCH PROMENADE CONTRIBUTION. tractors have had to have a certain The Attorney-General moved:— amount of money. The intention of the Thai the Treasurer of the isle of Man be Board is to run or lay an 8-in, pipe authorised to apply train the current revenue from Sulby Bridge Station, to which the 01 this Ism, during the year ending 31st March, pipe has already been carried, and from 1159, a sum not exceeding .£4,953 lOr the pur• there to Kirk Bride Hill. it is proposed lose of defraying the eiglith annual zontribe. to place there a small balancing reser- idol, to the Douglas Corporation in respect of the cost of widening the Loch Promenade, voir in order to supply Bride village. imuglas, in terms of the resolutions of Tyn- On the route there will be tappings to wald of 16th October, 1931. and 19th March, supply the various villages. There will 1535. also be a line to supply the proposed Agreed. aerodrome at Jurby. I don't know what will happen if the aerodrome requires water before the 1st November. The PORT sT. MARY DEVELOPMENT probability is the Board will have to SCHEME. take steps to lay pipes in order to pro- The Attorney-General moved:— vide it. Our information was they were That, the Treasurer of the isle of Man he going to start in October. However, if authorised to apply, by way of grant, from the that doesn't occur the Board will con- current revenue of this Isle, during the year tinue with their scheme. There are only ending 31st March, 1939, a sum not exceeding £1001, being 75 per cent. of the expenditure to 30 men required. It is quite a lot of be incurred by the _Port St, Mary Commis- money, but a great deal of it is required sioners in the erection of a sea wall around for the provision of materials. Eight- -Toe Point," Port St. Mary. inch pipes have to be laid, and conse- Payments to be made from time to time by quently the cost of pipes will be ever so the Treasurer on the certificate of the Chief much more than the cost of 3M. or 4in. Engineer to the lkile of Man Harbour Corn- aussiouers as to the value of the work com- pipes. The cost of an 8in, pipe is 15/6 pleted. a yard, whereas it is 3/2 for a 3in. pipe. Thu work to be carried out only between let Mr Alcock: It is rumoured that the November, 1938. and 31st March, 1939, and all temporary pipe-line to the new aero- labour (ether than the permanent staff re- quired for supervision) to be engaged from the drome site will be laid on the surface of register of unemployed. the ground. I do not know whether it is true or not, but while there are very He said: This is the fourth portion of considerable numbers of unemployed a scheme which the Port St. Mary Com- men in Ramsey and the North, I am missioners have for a seawall round The wondering whether it would not be pos- Point. sible to start the scheme right away and Agreed. put the line underground. The vote was carried. PROVISION OF PLAYING FIELDS AT BELLE VUE, DOUGLAS. DERBYHAVEN DRAINAGE SCHEME The Attorney-General moved:— —RE-VOTE OF GRANT. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Mr Crellin moved:— ltualorilled to apply from the current revenue That. the Treasurer of the Isle of man be of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, authorised to apply from the current revenue 1939, a sum not exceeding £6,080 as a grant to of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, the Douglas Corporation to defray 50 per 1939, a sum not exceeding £1,080, being the un- r:ent. of the e4enditure by the Corporation in expended balance of the vote of £5,558 passed the laying out of the Belle Vue Estate as by Tynwald on the 26th May, 1937, for the pur- plUyiug fields for children and adults. pose of enabling the Malew Parish Commis- be work to be carried out only between let sioners to instal a sewage disposal plant in November, 1938, and 31st March, 1939, and all the Derbyhaven Drainage District. labour (other than the permanent staff re- quired for supervision) to be engaged from the He said: There was some hold-up register of unemployed. owing to the difficulty of getting pipes at one time and owing to the nature of He said: This does not include the the soil, and water getting into the Large new scheme which has been dis- foundations. However, all that has cussed for stands and so on. This is been overcome. simply an extension of the filling up. Agreed. Agreed.

Derbyhaven Drainage Scheme—Re-vote of Grant.—Locli Promenade Contribution. —Port St. Mary Development Scheme.—Provision of Playing Fields at Belle Vue, Douglas.

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COSY CORNER IMPROVEMENT AT exceeding 50 per cent. of the estimated coat. RAMSEY. Resolved further that the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be authorised to apply from the The Attorney-General moved:— cucreiat revenue of this Isle, during the year That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be eliding 31st March, 1939, a sum not exceeding authorised to apply from the current revenue £300 to defray 50 per cent, of the cost incurred of this isle, during the year ending 31st March, by the Village Commissioners in the 1939, a sum not, exceeding £714, being 75 per period let November, 1937-31st March, 1938, cent, of the expenditure to be incurred by the and to be incurred in the period 1st November, Ramsey Town Commissioners in carrying out 1938, to 31st March, 1939. a scheme for the improvement of the Cosy Payments to be made from time to time on Corner, Ramsey. the certificate of the Surveyor-General as to Payments to be made from time to time by the value of the work completed, and the men the Treasurer on the certificate of the to be employed in the period let November, Surveyor-General as to the value of the work 1938-31st March, 1939, to be engaged from the completed. register of unemployed. The work to be carried out only between 181 He said: Originally the proposals of November, 1938, and 31st March, 1949, and all the Onchan Village Commissioners were labour (other than the permanent staff re- quired for supervision) to be engaged from the very small, and in the opinion of the register of unemployed. Public Works Commission were inade- quate. With the assistance and advice He said: So far as we are concerned, of the Corporation's gardener, the Com- it is mainly an improvement of the missioners embarked upon an excellent promenade of Ramsey and a public road lay-out of the glen which will be a credit on the same basis as others. to the community, and absorb four or Agreed. five men each winter. Mr Crellin: I beg to second and would PORT ERIN—ATHOL PARK like to point out that these fifty-fifty DEVELOPMENT SCHEME grants being passed like this makes the The Attorney-General moved:— subsequent inquiries before the Local That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Government Board rather futile, when authorised to apply from the current revenue they come to us for permission to bor- of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, row money for the remainder of the 1939, a sum not exceeding £507, being 50 per scheme. Possibly it would be arranged cent, ef the expenditure to be incurred by the Port. Erin Commissioners in carrying out a for the Government 50 per cent. scheme for the development of At Park, grant resolution and the resolution of Port Erin. the Local Government Board dealing Payments to be made from time to time by with the borrowing to come on the the Treasurer on the certificate of the agenda together. We cannot very well 8urveyor-Gcneral as to the value of the work completed. turn the application down; we should The work to be carried out only between let want very strong grounds for doing that. November, 1938, and 31st March, 1939, and all Agreed. labour (other than the permanent staff required for supervision) to be engaged from the re- gister of unemployed. STRENGTHENING OF PEEL PROMENADE WALL. He said: This is a scheme of opening The Attorney-General moved— up the glen at Athol Park and putting That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be proper paths through it. authorised to apply from the current revenue of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, Agreed. 1939, a sum not exceeding £228, being the balance of the vote of £825 passed by Tynwald ONCHAN VILLAGE COMMISSIONERS on the 12th October, 1937, towards the cost of —DEVELOPMENT OF PORT JACK. strengthening the Peel promenade wall. Deemster Cowley moved:— Agreed. Whereas the Onchan Tillage Commissioners submitted a scheme for the development of KING WILLIAM'S COLLEGE— Port Jack Glen, Onchan, at an estimated cost REPORT OF COMMITTEE OF of £1,000 spread over a period of three winters, TYNWALD ADOPTED. which scheme has been approved by the Public Werke Commission. Deemster Cowley moved:— Resolved that Tynwald approves such That the report, dated 3rd May, 1938, of the scheme being financed by way of grants not committee appointed by Tynwald to inquire

Cosy Corner Improvements at Ramsey —Port Erin—Athol Park Development Scheme.—Onchan Village Commissioners—Development of Port jack.—Strengthen- ing of Peel Promenade Wall.—King William's College—Report of Committee of Tynwald Adopted. duo TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 1, l938. into and report on the memorandum of the the previous debate, and I desire to re- tru6tees of King Williant's. College be adopted. peat it now, that at any rate for some He said: If this report is adopted, the years to come, it is impossible to impose next two resolutions, I take it, will auto- any greater burden of expenditure on matically follow. I propose, therefore, the trustees unless Tynwald is prepared to make such remarks as 1 have to make upon this resolution. The Court will to assist. The actual position is this, remember that at the sitting of Tynwald that this Court granted a sum of £2,500 in February last the hon. member tor a year towards tne provisions of scholar- Ayre raised the question of the salaries ships, and to meet me loss then incurred, paid to teachers at King Williams' col- a loss which, before tne Court came to lege, and following upon that the com- the assistance of the College, amounted mittee went very carefully into the in one year to between 4..:.2,11U0 and matter. We attended at King William's £3,U00. but as a result of Me generous College and interviewed officials of the assistance given, the College has just College, and also interviewed in private been able to pay its way. That is to any of the masters who desired to ex- say, that in the first year, with this press their views on the matter. We Ez,500, they showed a loss of something went very carefully and fully into the like and in the second year they had matter, which had already been ven- to give £250 towards the sinking fund in tilated in this Court,. and after a very respect of endowments which they were careful examination of the figures and allowed to use many years ago. line basic salaries and allowances paid to the figures for tne year ended 31st March, masters of the College, we came to the I i)38, are not yet published, but we were definite conclusion set out in the report afforded access to them, and they show that while the younger masters had been that this year there was a loss of only appointed at the Burnham scale, there £5, and that is after discharging £250 to was no doubt that some of the older sinking fund, and also after wiping off masters were not receiving the salaries a considerable amount of the cost of to which they would have been entitled equipment out of revenue. The com- under the Burnham scale. And as stated mittee feel very strongly that the Court in the report, we do want to say at should give this assistance to enable once that the older men particularly had these salaries to be paid, which in a full the interests of the College so much at year would cost £855; and we also feel heart that they acted very reasonably that the present grant should be in- and very generously in not pressing their creased to the round figure of £3,500. undoubted claims for an increase of The grant of £2,500 was made to end in salary. We have very carefully con- the next two years. The committee re- sidered every case put before us, with viewed the position regarding scholar- the figures showing the present salaries ships, but extensive negotiations would and the increase proposed by the trus- be required to create a comprehensive tees. it will not be the wish of the scheme to put before the Court, It has Court that I should individualise in any been impossible to do that; but some- case, but merely show that the proposed thing substantial may be done in the increase would involve a figure in a full next few months in view of the desira- year of about £885, and for the re- bility of more scholarships, and increas- mainder of the current year, the sum ing the funds available for that purpose, of 2600.' We are satisfied that those are and the committee therefore suggest that reasonable salaries, and that the masters for this year the grant of £2,500 should who would thereby_ receive an increase be increased to £3,500. At the same are entitled to it, and that they are men time, also, we considered the question of who, in many cases, have been serving the building programme of the College, for a number of years at salaries less and members have before them the than they might have been entitled to figures arrived at as the result of a very expect. Therefore, the committee were careful examination, showing the unanimously of the opinion that these position with regard to the building increases should be made. But it must scheme upon which the College em- be realised that that cannot be done un- barked, with the approval of the Court, less Tynwald is prepared to meet the some two or three years ago. When the bill. It was indicated in the course of matter last came before Tynwald, the

King William's College—Report of Committee of Tynwald Adopted. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 1, 1938. 601 estimated total cost required for build- hon. members have shown that they ap- ing up to that time, including the School preciate what has been done by the House, was £36,255. Towards that, Tyn- College in attracting residents and pro- viding an opportunity for Manx boys to wald agreed to give a fifty-fifty grant, have a first-class public school education. the balance to be raised by subscriptions There are at present at College 133 from the old boys and friends of the boarders and 53 day boys. When this College. Since that, members of the work is completed, there will be accom- Court have had an opportunity of visit- modation for 190 boarders; and when ing the College and seeing the work the School House is completed, for 200. which has been done, and I think that College at one time had 309 boarders, any member of the Court who was there At present there are 75 English boys and must have been impressed by the excel- 58 Manx boys who are boarders. The lence of the work carried out, and the remission of fees to Manx boys at King importance of seeing it well and properly William's College amounted to £1,315 in finished. The cost of that work has 1937, and in 1938 to £1,560. Many of actually passed £42,000, and the com- the scholarships are held by Manx boys, mittee have made a very careful ex- and I believe there is a happier spirit of amination of the details and figures, co-operation between the Education showing how that cost has been arrived Authority schools and the College. at. In the case of altering an old build- I do ask the Court to believe ing, unexpected difficulties arise in the that the committee have given the mat- course of reconstruction, and the build- ter very careful consideration, have ing of Block E and Block H involved an examined the proposals of the trustees, unexpected expenditure of over £3,300. and the figures placed before them, and We were satisfied, on careful examina- we ask the Court to adopt the report, tion of the figures, that these were items with the further assistance outlined in it. which could not have been anticipated in the estimating. The balance needed to Mr Norris: I should like, as a member complete the work is 2.5,835, and an ad- of the committee, to second the resolu- ditional £3,720 (making £9,500) is re- tion so well put by His Honour, and I quired in order to complete the altera- wilt supplement what he has had to say tions to the School House. The commit- in connection with this by saying that on tee very carefully considered the attitude the last occasion the matter was brought which they should recommend to the before the Court, it was embodied in he Court with regard to this extra cost of report that the last appropriation was £9,500. We would, of course, willingly the full extent of expenditure which this recommend the fifty-fifty plan, but we Court would be asked to approve. To- felt, after going into the matter very day. however, we come back with a fully, that we could not ask the old boys unanimous report asking the Court, in and friends of the College to make fur- regard to this reconstruction, to vote for ther sacrifices as they have done in the another sum of £9,500, which is 100 per past. They have raised, and I think cent. of the essential reconstruction largely due to the enthusiasm of Mr work. The position is really this—that Harold Hughes-Games, and due to the the College has raised £19,000 for this generosity and loyalty of the old boys of fifty-fifty plan, and the committee felt the College, the sum of £18,000, and we that the time had really come in the felt very strongly that this Court, having interests of the College and the Island put their hand to the plough, would be when we were unable to ask them to anxious to carry out the work at the contribute again. These people have earliest possible opportunity, and so been exhausted. They have done the complete the reconstruction of the Col- thing willingly, but they have been lege in its proposed improved form. We exhausted. One gentleman in par- ask that Tynwald be asked to vote the ticular has taken this work on whole of the 49,500, spread over two alone, and he himself, more than any years, and by Your Excellency's kindness member of the Court knows, has done we were enabled to have on the agenda more than any other person in the to-day a resolution for the first £4,500. Island. How much, we don't know. He I don't want to go over the ground which will not tell us. This work was impera- has been gone over so often. I think tive, arid the money ought to be found.

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It is still only 60 per cent. from this first part might be carried. I should Court, and 40 per cent. from outside. like to ask the learned Deemster ques- In connection with the secondary tions over one or two little things, and schools of this Island, on the agenda there are just one or two observations for to-day's Court, 100 per cent. is I should like to make on the report. In to be given. It might be that the report it is mentioned that fees for we should now do this on a national private tuition amounted in one case to basis. I support it on that basis. Every a.:3116, and in another to £88. I only wish to point out that that is a little Manx boy will have an opportunity of ambiguous. That money is paid by the going through that College and going to parents of boys, and not by me College a university. We feel that in providing as part of the masters' remuneration, these scholarships, we are asking the and I would like to know lithe learned Court to approve the providing of a Deemster can tell me what year that Complete ladder from the elementary £116 is in respect of. Does it refer to schools of the Island. Any bright boy recent years or some time past? In the will have the opportunity that a scholar- report it does not actually say that the ship presents in going to the College., trustees are adopting the Burnham and then going to the universities. scale, and 1 would like to have an as- King William's College is on its mettle. surance from the learned Deemster that His Honour has mentioned certain no master will be paid under the Burn- figures, figures for boarders and figures ham scale. It says "to a figure approx- for day boys, and I think these figures imating to that scale." 1 should like an impressed the Court as fairly sub- assurance that no man will be paid stantial and satisfactory figures. They under the Burnham scale. Otherwise I are growing, and it is very important am quite satisfied, and hope the Court that they should grow. Another thing will adopt this. I wish to emphasise is the great im- Deemster Cowley: Private tuition fees portance of the secondary schools co- are not paid by the College at all, but by operating. I know they are co-operat- parents of backward boys for giving ex- ing. and bright boys from the secondary tra tuition after school hours in a mas- school go forward to King William's ter's own time. There are varying College. At any rate, I have great opinions in public schools as to whether pleasure in seconding this resolution. it is a good practice or not. Some people and I feel that I am doing so for the claim that they should be able to bring Manx people, and I think the Court will on backward boys without the necessity support us right to the end in this oC extra tuition. On the other hand matter some parents like to give boys extra tuition. In the last financial year these Mr Crellin: I would just like to point fees varied. They amounted to £2 in out to the hon. member, on this ques- the case of one man, and £34, £116, £88, tion of Manx and English boys, that one £18, £15, £16, £15, and £5, in the case of the greatest benefits to Manx boys in of others, and five masters received going to the College is that they are nothing at all. In regard to the other mixing with English boys. question as to the scale, it is suggested by the trustees and approved by the Mr E. B. C. Farrant: I cannot tell you committee, that provision be made in what great pleasure it gives me to sup- every case for a salary higher than the port the recommendations contained in Burnham scale, not very much higher, this report, because it is after two years' but slightly higher. agitation that I see my efforts going to The resolution was carried. bear fruit, although the committee rather exceeded their terms of reference, KING WILLIAM'S COLLEGE—GRANT and I am very glad they did. I do hope TOWARDS COST OF NEW BUILD- that the Court will vote this morning INGS AND ALTERATIONS TO for the extension of the building. Even EXISTING BUILDINGS. if I had not agreed with that, I should Deemster Cowley moved:— have felt that I could be persuaded into That the Treasurer of the lele of Man be supporting the scheme in order that the authorised to apply from the current revenue

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nf this Isle, during the year ending 31st March, structural works proposed and the method and 1939, a RUM not exceeding £4,500 for the pur- time of carrying oul, such work. pose of defraying the cost of a building scheme And whereas in respect of WO reconstruction prepared by the trustees of King William's of Bay View Road, Port Erin, the Port Erin 1...0liege mid approved by the committee of Commissioners decided to make a contribution Tynwald in their report dated .3rd May, 1966 of £232, being approximately 20 per cent, of the cost (L1,242) to private frontagers, on con- Agreed. dition that such work was executed in the period let November, 1937--31st March, 1938. KING WILLIAM'S COLLEGE—GRANT Resolved that the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be authorised to apply from the current FOR SCHOLARSHIPS AND LOSS ON revenue of this Isle, during the year ending MAINTENANCE. 31st March, 1939, a sum not exceeding £116, Deemster Cowley moved:— being SO per cent, of the Port Erin Commis- sioners' contribution towards the cost of the That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be reconstruction of Bay View Road, Port Erin, authorised to apply from the Lurrent revenue in the period let November. 1937-31st March, of this Isle, during the year ending 31st March. 1938. 1939, a sum not exceeding £3,500 for the pur- poses of (a) providing scholarships to King He said: This involves a new princi- William's College, (b) providing scholarships or ple, which I think the Court has agreed exhibitions from King William's College to the universities, and (c) making good any loss in- to, that, in the case of unadopted roads, curred by the trustees in the maintenance of under the amending Act of 1936, the King William's College. in accordance with a Local Government Board have to con- scheme to be prepared by the committee of sider the contribution which the local Tynwald and approved by the Lieutenant- authorities themselves make. They Governor. seem now to work on the basis of 20 Agreed. per cent. In the case of Port Erin, I think it Involves the local authority in RECONSTRUCTION OF UNADOPTED the payment of the sum of 6.;:232. Your ROADS IN RAMSEY. Excellency has agreed, with the approval of Tynwald, to meet the Commissioners The Attorney-General moved:— by going half-and-half in that. Whereas by section 2 of the Local Govern- ment Act, 1936. the Commissioners of any dis- Agreed. trict may make contributions towards the cost of making up unadopted roads in their dis- REORGANISATION OF SCHOOLS— trict. having regard to the nature of the structural works proposed and the method and GRANT OF £13.472. time of carrying out such work. The Attorney-General moved:— And whereas in respect of the reconstruction of Queen's Pier and Seamount Roads. That in pursuance of the resolution of Tyn- the Ram- wald of the 2nd March, 1937, the sey Town Commissioners decided to make a Treasurer of contribution of £110, being 20 per the Isle of Man be authorised to apply from cent., of the the hinds standing to the credit of the Isle of east {4544) to private frontagers, on condition Man Accumulated Fund a sum not that such work was executed in the period 1st exceeding November, 1937-31st March, 1938. £13,472, in addition to the sum of £20,000 voted .by Tynwald on the 26th May, 1937, to enable Resolved that the Treasurer of the Isle of the Isle of Man Education Authority to pro- Man be authorised to apply from the current ceed with the scheme for the re-organisation revenue of this Isle, during the year ending of elementary schools in the Isle of Man, by 31st March, 1939, a sum not exceeding £55, the provision of two additional schools in Dou- being 60 per cent. of the Ramsey Town Com- glas, one additional school in and by ntissioncrs' contribution towards the cost of Ramsey, extensions to the existing school in Peel, all the reconstruction of Queen's Pier and Sea. of which are estimated to cost £80,000. mount Roads in the period 1st November, 1937----31st March, 1938. Payments to be made by the Treasurer cu certificates issued by the Council a Education. Agreed. He said: This amount becomes due RECONSTRUCTION OF UNADOPTED and payable. This is necessary to carry ROADS IN PORT ERIN. out the resolution which has been car- ried providing for a new school at Balla- The Attorney-General moved:— kermeen. Whereas by section 2 of the Local Govern' merit Act, 1936, the Commissioners of any dis- Mr Alcock: E am afraid this is the trict may make contributions towards the cost only information that we will get about of making up unadopted roads in their dis- these four schools, and I just want to trict, haying- regard to the nature of the say that in the Tynwald Court to be

King William's College—Grant for Sclioh rslaips and Loss on Maintenance.—Re- construction of Unadopted Roads in Rarnsev,—Recons-truction of Unadopted Roads in Port Erin.—Reorganisation of Schools—Grant of £13,472. 604 TYNWALD COURT, j UNE 1, 1938. held on or about 5th July I shall ask VOTE FOR WIDENING THE NORTH for particulars of the expenditure on PROMENADE, DOUGLAS. each of those four schools under the The Attorney-General: I beg to move : headings of cost of erection, cost of site, Whereas the Douglas Corporation have eub- architects' fees and other questions of milted a scheme for the widening of the Dou- that kind. I do not think it is quite fair glas North Promenade from a point near the to the Court to move a resolution like foot of Summer Rill and extending about 460 this without members getting complete yards in length to a point near the steps knowledge of the items of expenditure leading to the shore opposite the Derby Castle Hotel, and providing a maximum extra under the various heads, and I give width of 45 feet to the roadway at the most notice that I will ask for particulars of dangerous point and a footpath for pedestrian these items. traffic of approximately 25 feet over the whole The Attorney-General: I am sorry, length. And whereas the scheme further provides, at but it is quite impossible to give them. the upper or northern end of the widening, for The tender for the Ballakermeen School the division of the widening into an upper and will not be in then. We can give you lower promenade which will allow for the con- the estimates. struction, at some future time, of a low level promenade in the direction of Onchan Head Mr Alcock: I will be satisfied with and Port Jack. that. And vihereas the scheme is estimated to cost The resolution was carried. 265,000, spread over three winters, the first winter's work costing approximately 219,000, the second 223,000, and the third 423,000. Resolved, that Tynwald approves the said NEW POLICE STATION AT ONCHAN. scheme. ttesoived further, that 75 per cent, of the C061. Mr Quirk moved :- ol the scheme by defrayed out of moneys to be that this Court hereby approves of the Gov- erevaled by Tynwald, and that the Treasurer ernment Property Trustees purchasing a par- or tile Isle of man be authorised to apply dur- cel of land containing approximately 500 ing the yea, cralide bleb March, 1939, from the square yards and situated on Central Avenue, fonds standing to the credit of the Isle of Man (Theban, from Mr J. T. Skillicorn for the sum Accumulated_ Fund, a sum not exceeding of £126, for the purpose of erecting there on a 5.14,250 to enable the Douglas Corporation to police station and quarters for officers. proceed with the erst section of the scheme. Agreed. The work to be carried out only between the 1st November, 1938, and 31st March, 1939, and Mr Quirk also moved:— all labour (other than the permanent stair That the Treasurer of the Isle 4 Man be required for supervision) to be engaged from authorised to apply from the funds standing the register of unemployed. to the credit of the Isle of Mail Accumulated Fund a sum not exceeding 22,500 to enable the This is a new form of- expenditure, Government Property Trustees to erect a police though the subject has been discussed station ill the village of Onchan. by the Court on one or two occasions. Agreed. Members will realisethe need of widen- ing the part of the Douglas promenade near Derby Castle. It is a very narrow AGRICULTURAL CREDITS ACTS bottleneck, and now that we have opened EXPENSES. the road through to Groudle, it has been The Attorney-General: I beg to move : impossible to make full use of it, because That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be its approach is so dangerous, and in the authorised to apply from the funds standing very place where it is narrowest the to the credit of the isle of Man Accumulated trams load up. The Corporation have Fund a. sum not exceeding 21,000 for the pur- been considering schemes of widening poses of the Agricultural Credit Acts, 1924-32; for some time, and the ultimate Con- such SIMI to be in addition to the sum of 2500 voted by Tynwald on the 5th April. 1938. clusion is the present scheme, at an estimated cost of k:65,000. His Excel- That is a sum to cover any loans which lency has agreed, and the Corporation may be granted under the Agricultural have accepted the offer, that the Insular Credits Acts. This Act is applied mostly ievenue shall provide 75 per cent. of the for the erection of Dutch barns and cost out of the Accumulated Fund. This greenhouses. year's charge upon the fund is Agreed, ,E.14,250. I think the concern of the

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Court, When the matter was first men- Lonan Parish Commissioners and the Laxey Village Commissioners provides for the Pay- tioned, was the possible effect of this ment of a connecting fee of an annual sum of widening upon the foreshore, That, of 10d in the £ on the rateable value for the time course, is a very vital matter for Dou- being in force on the corporeal real estate in glas. An expert from the Admiralty has the special district for the time being and been called in. and has satisfied himself, from time to time connected to the Laxey Vil- and satisfied Your Excellency, that there lage Cormnisaioners' solvers. And whereas the rateable value of the will be no damaging effect upon the mecial district is £366 Ils. shore, Actually the space which will be And whereas a rate of Is 2d in the being taken in is upon rocks, and will not be the balance of the rate of 2s above referred to detrimental to the remainder of the 711 the said special district, produces £22 lOs shore. The balance of the vote will be id, providing as to interest and sinking fund paid during the next three or four years. for a period of 30 years for a sum of £390, leaving the sum of £4,310 to be provided by Mr Norris seconded, and the resolution Tynwald. was carried. Resolved. therefore, that the Treasurer of tile Isle of Man be authorised to apply from the funds standing to the credit of the Isle of DRAINAGE OF THE PINFOLD Man Accumulated Fund a sum not exceeding DISTRICT, LONAN. Z,4,310 for the pnrpose of enabling the Lonan Parish Commissioners to carry out the work Mr Crellin: I beg to move:— in connection with the sewage disposal scheme Whereas on the 8th day of June, 1923, Tyn- [or the special district upon the said Commis- wald by resolution declared sioners completing their arrangements for "That in the opinion of this Court it is de- carrying out the said scheme and borrowing sirable hi the interest of public health in the the said sum of £390. isle of Man that insular villages should be This is a scheme for drainng a part provided with efficient and modern sewers and sewage disposal plants, and in order to en- of what is known as the Pinfold area of courage local authorities to form special Lonan into the Laxey sewers. The drainage districts, and provide sewerage works Local Government Board have given a therefor, it is desirable and necessary to pro- very considerable amount of time and vide Government financial assistance, and that attention to this particular scheme, be- the amount of such financial assistance for each district be the balance remaining of the cause it is a very expensive one for the total costs of any drainage scheme promoted Government. Vie worked out three by any parish authority, and approved by the schemes, one of which was to cost Local Government Board, after deducting from C3,700, and enabled the sewerage to go such total cost the amount which such parish into the old six-inch sewer down through local authority could borrow and provide for Old Laxey. We condemned this scheme. as to interest. end sinking fund for a period of 30 years by the levying of a rate of 22 in the after going thoroughly into it, because pound on all rateable property in the' special we felt it was unsatisfactory to put this district." sewerage into this small six-inch drain, And whereas the Pinfold Drainage District on account of certain developments in was constituted a special drainage district by building which were likely to arise, and order of the Local Government Board dated the 30th day of July. 1937. which order was also on account of stoppages which woroved by Tynwald on the 12th day of might occur in old drains. The next October, 1937. scheme was to instal plant to pump the And whereas the Local Government Board, sewerage into the Garwick scheme. That after holding public inquiries in the special was turned down owing to its great cost. district. Is of the opinion that the sanitary The third was this proposal to lay a arrangements and drainage therein are in a nine-inch sewer which costs £4.700. The .rery unsatisfactory condition. And whereas the Commissioners of the Board felt that as there are forty houses Parish of Lonan have in pursuance of section in this neighbourhood, which as the 58 of the Local Government Consolidation Act, Court will know is hilly, it is much 1916, prepared a scheme for the sewering of better, even at considerable cost to the the special district to connect up with the Government, to put in a proper sewer. sewers of the Laxey Village Commissionere, and the Laxey Village Commissioners have in and have the district drained in a terms of mirth section agreed to such eon. scientific manner. The cost is naturally ection. higher, because a 10d rate goes to the And whereas the €stirnated cost of the Laxey Village Commissioners for con- scheme is £4,700. necting this section. But against that And whereas the agreement between the we do away with any outfall works.

Drainage of the Pinfold District, Lonan,

606 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 1, 1938. which as far as possible ought to be The Attorney-General: That is all we avoided. There was also a proposal to have to control. bring this district into the area of the Laxey Village Commissioners. After Mr Alfred Tease: In the Northern long discussion, we felt that that was Water Board's regulations which we perhaps not a desirable thing to do. So passed a short time ago, a clause was after much negotiation and many letters introduced, which the Douglas Corpora- passing for a long period, we wrote to tion also have in their water regulations, Your Excellency asking leave to submit making it imperative that a person this resolution to Tynwald asking for doing water plumbing of certain types 4,700. Of course the district to be shall be properly qualified. It strikes sewered will be expected to pay a 2s rate, me that something of this nature is very which will be capitalised for a certain imperative in connection with the number of years, and a loan raised by electric wiring of houses. We don't the Lonan Commissinoers. know who does the work; there is no Mr W. K. Cowin seconded, and the registration. I think some inquiry resolution was carried. should be made as to who is to do the work. The employer will be known, but we don't know the person whom he INCOME TAX ADMINISTRATION engages, whether he is capable or not, CHARGES. and the public is running a very serious The Attorney-General moved:— risk. That the Treasurer of the Isle of Man be Mr Corrin: So far as the Electricity authorised to apply from the Income Tar Board are concerned, we should welcome Fund, during the year ending 5th April, 1939, a stun not exceeding 23,865 to defray the cost of a scheme of that sort, if a workable one the administration of the Income Tax Acts, as can be devised. We have made an fol lows :— effort to control contractors, so far k:m Assessor's Branch 22,934 posstle. But we find that the Electricity Treasurer's Branch 9,31 undertaking has to suffer a great deal of 23,865 criticism, and sometimes financial loss, Agreed. on account of the faulty workmanship of contractors, and if some method coma be discovered of making sure that the ELECTRICITY SUPPLY work which these contractors do is of REGULATIONS. the proper standard, it would be of great The Attorney-General: I beg to move:— benefit to the • undertakings in this That the Electricity Supply Regulations, Island. 1938, made by the Lieutenant-Governor on the 20th day of May, 1938. under the provisions of Mr Crellin: Would the chairman of the Douglas Corporation Electric Light and the Electricity Board undertake to go Power Acts, 1921 and 1939, and the Isle of Man into the matter, and prepare regulations Electric Light and Power Acts, 1932 and 1935, for to be submitted to the Court? It is most essential, especially with electricity, that (a) securing the safety of the public; and (13) ensuring a proper and sufficient supply of work should be done properly. electrical energy, The Speaker: That is surely a matter he and the same are hereby approved. for the Government. They are on the lines of the present Eng- The resolution was carried. lish regulations, and the two bodies con- cerned, the Douglas Corporation and the Electricity Board, have approved of ALIENS EMPLOYMENT them. REGULATIONS. Mr Alfred Teare: I can see no pro- The Attorney-General: I beg to move:— vision in these regulations which safe- That the rules entitled the "Aliens Restric- guards property owners against inulty tion (Employment) Rules, 1938," made by His Excellency the Lieutenant-Governor on the workmanship or the use of faulty wires. 29th May, 1938, under section 3 of the Aliens The whole of the regulations seem to Restriction Amendment Act, 1930, be and the deal with Suppl'es of domestic energy. same are hereby approved. - - . --- Income Tax Administration Changcs.—Electricity Supply Regulations.—Aliens Employment Regulations. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 1, 1938. 607

They tighten up the present regulations, MAUGHOLD COMMISSIONERS.— and give us more control of aliens em- AUDITORS' SURCHARGE ployed here. Under present conditions, REMITTED. I think members will regard that as Mr W. K. Cowin moved:— essential. That the following sums, surcharged by the Mr Alcock: Would you mind telling us Public Auditors in the accounts of the Mang- hold Parish Commissioners for the year ended if, when aliens visit this Island, they 31st Ararat, 1937, be allowed :— have to have a passport? fa) The stun of 5s, being the cost of ad- vertising a public meeting in connection The Attorney-General: They have to with the village green; and have a . passport entering England. (b) the sum of 10s, being cost of advertising a public meeting in connection with the Mr Alcock: You remember that there erection of a sundial. was a prosecution some time ago, con- Agreed. cerning certain girls who were said to have been found working in a house near Ramsey. I could not understand OLD AGE PENSIONS AT 65.— how they could possibly have got in. SUGGESTED INCREASE. Have they to register before coming to Mr Alfred Teare: I beg to move:— the Island? That Tynwald is of opinion that the time is opportune to increase the old age pension pay- The Governor: I am informed that able at 65 years of age in such a manner as they did register. would provide a joint pension for man and wife of at least 30s per week, conditional on The Attorney-General. These regula- his retirement from insurable employment; tions only deal with the employment of and that a committee of Tynwald he appointed aliens Those visiting the Island must to inquire into and report on the financial aspect of the question, have a passport before they come to England, and therefore before they come Some time ago I raised this question in to the Isle of Man. They are allowed to Tynwald, and in the interim nothing has stay temporarily, without work, but on happened to make me change my mind. registration. If they are employed, they On the contrary, I think the facts have have to give particulars on the return convinced me that the necessity is made to the Aliens Officer, for trans- greater to-day than it was then, of try- mission to Government Office. If they ing, if possible, to get people out of in- are not employed, there is a limit of si›. dustry at 65, to give an opportunity for months on their stay. younger men to enter employment. A commission has been sitting, with Deem- The resolution was carried. ster Cowley as its chairman, to deal with questions arising from our system of dealing with unemployment, and the MILK MARKETING SCHEME effects, whether good or bad, which that AMENDMENT. system has produced. And the mem- Mr Kelly: I beg to move:— bers of the commission were struck That the order entitled "The Milk Marketing by the evidence given of the large num- Scheme, 1934, Amendment Order, 1938," made ber of men left unprovided with work. by the Board of Agriculture on the 2,2nd April, Many of them me young able-bodied 1938, under the provisions of the Agricultural men, some of whom are married, and Marketing Act, 1934, be and the same is hereby approved. some single. but the fact remains that while they are kicking their heels in This is with regard to the internal idleness, elderly men are carrying on management of the Agricultural Market- working, and while the present pension ing Society, providing for the collection of lOs per week is a blessing to many of a census of cattle, and the allocation people, yet to a man who is responsible of the levies for the costs which a, for a household, it is too small to necessary for carrying on the work of induce him to give up his work. The the Board. figures issued lately by the Pensions and Agreed. Insurance Board are rather interesting.

Milk Marketing Scheme Amendment.--Maughold Commissioners—Auditor's Sur- charge Remitted.—Old Age Pensions at 65—Suggested Increase.

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They show that the number of pen- I know, by conversation with these sioners over 70 years old was 1,153, and selfsame craftsmen, that many would of contributory pensioners 1,013. In willingly retire altogether from their 1931, the first year of the insurance industry. They feel, having worked pensions, there were 388. That would from the age of thirteen, many of them, be both male 'and female. Insurance that they have given an ample life of pensioners, those between 65 and 70, service to the community when they now amount to 689, and F.04 of them, have reached the age of 65. Having 92 whom are women, are still at work. done that, if provision was made for The report tells us nal 404 work for them so tha, they could retire, I don't at least twenty weeks in the year, some say in affluence, but in some modest of them longer. Now that is interesting. degree of comfort, they would willingly because we learn on the other hand that do so. Many of them, perhaps, have some of our younger generation find a something due to them from various difficulty in getting eight weeks' work societies, a few shillings per week, and out of twenty-six, apart from the public if even the amount which I suggest in works schemes. The d'fficulty is going this resolution were given, it would be to be greater, if the suggestions of the an inducement to them to retire, and to Public Works Commission with regard my mind it would be no great hardship to the unemployment relief system are upon the Government to provide that put into effect, Would it not be better money. It is not a matter of finding that men 65 years old should be given 30s per week, because a great part of their pensions, and induced to retire that money is already provided with the frern industry, instead of the Govern- pensions as they are to-day—lOs for ment spending as it does at present, the insured worker and lOs for his wife. large sums of money in unemployment if he should be fortunate enough to have relief to younger men who should be at his wife alive. Without elaborating the work? I am not going into any great question—perhaps I shall reply later on length on this subject, but I think the if there should be any opposition—I Court will know that the tendency is, content myself with moving the reso- as the years go by, for elderly men to lution. feel the rigours of employment more Mr Quayle: I have great pleasure in than they do now. The Public Works seconding. Commission had evi lenge of ex-soldiers and ex-naval men who, after the rigours Mr Crellin: Before the resolution is of four years of warfare, are to-day put, I would like to ask the hon. mem- feeling its effect. There are men ber .if it is in the same form as his receiving no pensions, whose health resolution on a previous occasion. That has been unde..mined cl...iring those four made the retirement compulsory; this years of hardship, and as they grow is optional. The man can either stay alder, they feel it more difficult to carry at work, or retire and take his 30s per on. But carry on they must, in order week. to live. When this matter was brought Mr Alfred Teare: No, that will be before the Court on the last crcasion. conditional on his retirement. the strongest argument advanced Mr Crellin: He can take one or the against it was that we should be de- other, which is a much better suggestion pleting the labour market. of many of than the last. its skilled employees. I admit that many of our older men are some of our Mr Alfred Teare: He would get the best craftsmen. But as the years go extra pension conditional on his retire- by, these men are gradually dying out. ment from employment. and unless we do something on the lines The Attorney-General: He must retire I indicated yesterday, training the if he gets the pension, but you cannot younger generation in the arts of crafts- compel him to retire if he doesn't take manship, craftsmanship will die away it. He would be allowed to carry on if altogether. But these men are gradu- he likes. Do you mean that these men ally dwindling down, the old-time must be made to go at 65 and take their craftsmen whom we so much admire. pension?

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Mr Alfred Teare: My idea is that man from starting a boarding house there should be compulsory retirement. business, or a market garden, on his Mr Crellin: This would be much own account? easier. Mr Alfred Teare: That would be at Deemster Cowley: And that is not the man's own risk. the hon. member's resolution. Mr Kelly: Is not the best. answer to Mr Crellin: I do think it should be the remarks of the hon. member for left to the option of the man, because Ramsey the fact that he himself was there are many men who would feel 75 years old yesterday? (Laughter). sick at having to retire at 65, and there The Attorney-General: There is no are many persons employing men who compulsory retiring age for members would like to keep them after the age of the Legislature. (Laughter). of 65. At any rate, the increased pen- sion should be optional. Mr Corrin: This resolution raises very Mr Alfred Teare: He would not get intricate questions, which should be the 30s if he didn't retire. taken into consideration by a commit- tee. There is not only the question of Mr Crellin: But he might be willing the financing of it, but ways and means to go on working, and forfeit his thirty of making it most effective. Deemster Cowley: Don't you think Deemster Cowley: I take it that under the proper party to deal with it is the this proposal, a man could remain at Old Age Pensions and National Health work, and still draw his pension of Insurance Board? I suggest that the ten shillings or twenty shillings. But subject matter of the resolution be if he wants thirty shillings, then he referred to Tynwald's representatives must retire. on the Pensions and Insurance Board, Mr Alcock: There is another very to consider and report. important aspect to this question. I Mr Southward seconded. think the idea a really good one. It Mr Alfred Teare: How long should we may happen that a man reaching the age have to wait for the report? of 05 can draw a pension of lOs per week, but it will be three or, four or The Attorney-General: You are on five years before his wife is also 65. that Board yourself, and can hasten This provides that if the man reaches things. 65, a pension will be provided both for Mr Alfred Teare: No, I am not. himself and his wife, not exceeding 30s Mr Norris: Then I move the committee per week. That is a great advantage. which has been suggested, with the If there are about 400 persons, which addition of the hon. member for South I think is all there would be—because Douglas. a man might say, ''I would rather work"—that would cost the Island Deemster Cowley: I accept that. £10,000 per year, which, as we have Mr Crellin: Does the Pensions Board heard this week, represents a penny on know exactly what it is to report upon ',he income tax. If you are going to do —compulsory retirement or voluntary? anything for the younger men, you The Attorney-General: The trouble must make some provision whereby the about this resolution that it binds Tyn- men at the top of the scale will retire wald to an expression of opinion. I from insurable work. There could be understand that the amendment is that no doubt that they had done so, because the members of the Pensions Board who no man can be employed unless his are members of Tynwald, together with card is stamped, and the cards would Mr Teare, be asked to go into the whole be sent in to the office four times, or question and report. whatever it may be, every year, and the matter would be under observation. Deemster Cowley: My reason for The man could go into business for suggesting the amendment is that the Pensions Board are obviously the best himself, of course, if he liked. people from the financial point of view, Mr Quirk: This would not debar a and also from their experience of the

Old Age Pensions at 65—Suggested Increase. 610 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 1, 1938. general effect. I have a great deal of He said: I ask that the Court approve sympathy with the resolution, but I of the resolution, the pension to take don't want to commit myself to saying effect from, the 1st July, 1938. I may that I approve even of the principle, at say that Mr Cubbin has been a long time the moment. If this Board could get at in the service of the Board. For the the facts and figures, the Court would be past two years—perhaps three—his in a much better position to deal with salary has been £525 a year, and before the matter. I ask that as much as pos- that it was £500. He has been regis- sible should be done to expedite the tered under the Superannuation of other matter to which the hon. member Officers of Boards scheme as a non- has alluded, the findings of the Appren- contributory member. His pension ticeship Commission, so that we shall be under that scheme for non-contributory able to provide skilled men for our members, taking his full time years of trades from the other end of the scale. service as 18, is one-twentieth of the Mr Norris: Is the question of elderly salary at the time of retirement, so he is ex-servicemen to be considered? under that entitled to £77 3s. In the 1927 Act, the Highway Board were given Deemster Cowley: It is being con- power to augment pensions payable to sidered now. servants of the Board, and we propose Mr Hampton: Are we in a position that the amount be made up to £200 a to get from the men themselves their year, the difference being paid out of views on this question? I think there the Highway Board funds. If we took are quite a number of them who would his pension on his 18 years' full time be averse to this. service and his 14 part-time, the amount Mr W. K. Cowin: We make the laws he would be entitled to under the super- annuation scale would be £106, and if in this Legislature, and if we make this we take the 18 and 14 years together, law, they will have to abide by it. the pension would be E134 15s, so that The amendment that the subject in making the pension £200, I think we matter of the resolution be referred to are doing the right thing. the committee already enumerated was Mr Craine: I do not think that the put and carried. Highway Board are over-generous to their secretary, when we consider the HIGHWAY BOARD—SECRETARY'S work he has done for this Board for the PENSION. past 32 years, 14 years part-time and 18 Mr Southward moved:— years full-time. I remember that when Mr Callow was secretary he employed Mr Whereas Mr Robert Henry Cubbin, the present secretary to the Highway Board, Cubbin, and he did the work of this having attained the retiring age, in ac- Board for 15 years, so that as a matter cordance with the provisions of the Super- of fact he has worked 47 years for the annuation (Officers of Boards) Scheme, 1935, Board—if you take the time he was em- ceases to lioid his office on the 30th Tune, 1938. ployed by Mr Callow. You must all And whereas the said secretary has served agree that £200 pension for a man draw- in. such capacity for over 32 years (of which period 14 years were part-time service). ing a salary of E550 is not enough. Even And whereas under section 14 of the High- a policeman in retirement is entitled to way Act, 1927, the Board may, with the ap- a pension of £200. Here we have a man proval of Tynwald, grant to any person who is with 47 years' service, and if a pension or has been a servant of such Board such scheme had been in operation when he pension or superannuation allowance as such joined the Board and he rose to a posi- Board may deem proper. tion drawing £525. he would have been And whereas the Highway Board have by resolution dated the 17th day of May, 1938, entitled to considerably more than £200. resolved that Mr Robert Henry Cubbin, secre- The Douglas Corporation deal much tary to the Board, be granted a pension of more generously with their servants who MOO per annum, with effect as from the 1st have been earning as much as Mr Cub- ,Tuly, 1938, to be provided as to (a) by such an- bin. I would like to move that the nual allowance as may be awarded him under the Superannuation (Officers of Boards) Scheme, matter be referred back to the Highway and (N the balance of such pension from the Board for further consideration, because Highway Fund. in my opinion the amount is much too Resolved, that the aforesaid resolution of the small for a man receiving a salary of Highway Board be and the same is hereby £525. I move that the Highway Board approved. be asked to reconsider the matter.

Highway Board—Secretary's Pension.

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Mr Clucas: I second that. I think it the name of the hon. membel or only fair that a man who has done the Middle, Mr Cowin. work and spent the time on the Highway Board that Mr Cubbin has is entitled to The motion was in the following to a much better pension that is recom- terms;— mended, and I have great pleasure in That Tynwald respectfully suggests to His Excellency the Lieutenant-Governor that His seconding that it be referred back. Excellency should refer to the Public, Works Mr Cottier: This is not an isolated Commission. for their consideration, the case. I have a case in mind of an em- scheme prepared by the Commissioners of the ployer of the Board who is due to retire, village district of Onchan for the equipping of the village district of Onchan with a storm- who is going to have a much less pension water drainage system as a development and ordered. unemployment scheme. Mr Kelly : What is the maximum In the absence of Mr Cowin from the salary of the new man? Court, Mr Clucas moved the motion. Mr Southward: £450. The Speaker: I don't think that there The Attorney-General: This is a very is any wish to do an injustice to the controversial matter, and I beg to move retiring secretary of the Highway it be adjourned. Board, and I do not think it is quite cor- The Governor: If Tynwald passes this rect or fair to the Highway Board to resolution, I shall, of course, have suggest that any injustice is being done. pleasure in referring the scheme to After all, he has only had 18 years. which the resolution relates to the Public Mr Craine: He had also 14 years as Works Commission; but I wish to state part-time secretary. that I can hold out no hope of Govewn- The Speaker: Well, if one takes the ment financial assistance being forth- full 32 years as full time service, and coming for work of this nature. computed the pension at one-eightieth of It was agreed that the motion be his retiring salary—a basis adopted often adjourned. —at 22 years at one-eightieth, he would be entitled to £222. It is obvious that the Board have pretty nearly given him CONGRATULATIONS TO THE a full-time pension for the 32 years. In GOVERNOR. justice to the Highway Board, the hon. The Speaker: Before the Court retires, member must admit that. I would like to offer Your Excellency our The amendment was then put and lost congratulations on the great success without a division. with which you have piloted your first The motion was agreed to. Budget safely through the Court. (Hear, hear.) ONCHAN STORM WATER DRAINAGE SCHEME. The Governor: Thank you very much indeed. The Governor: The only remaining item on the agenda is one standing in The Court rose.

7011r0-111MK HOUSE OF KEYS. Douglas, Wednesday, June 1, 1938.

The House met at the conclusion of adjourned to June 14th. May I press the sitting of Tynwald held the same upon hon. members who may have amendments to the Road Traffic Bill or day. the Lotteries Bill to let the Scretary The Speaker: The House will stand have them in writing as soon as possible.

Onchan Storm Water Drainage Scheme.—Convatulations to the Governor.