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NATIONAL ENERGY BOARD OFFICE NATIONAL DE L'énergie Hearing NATIONAL ENERGY BOARD OFFICE NATIONAL DE L’ÉNERGIE Hearing MH-3-2007 Audience MH-3-2007 EMERA BRUNSWICK PIPELINE COMPANY LTD. Detailed Route Hearing for Brunswick Pipeline Project Certificate GC-110 Audience visant le tracé détaillé du projet de gazoduc Brunswick - Certificat GC-110 VOLUME 3 Hearing held at L’audience tenue à Fort Howe Hotel & Convention Centre 10 Portland Street Saint John, New Brunswick January 30, 2008 le 30 janvier 2008 International Reporting Inc. Ottawa, Ontario (613) 748-6043 © Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Canada 2008 © Sa Majesté du Chef du Canada 2008 as represented by the National Energy Board représentée par l’Office national de l’énergie This publication is the recorded verbatim transcript Cette publication est un compte rendu textuel des and, as such, is taped and transcribed in either of the délibérations et, en tant que tel, est enregistrée et official languages, depending on the languages transcrite dans l’une ou l’autre des deux langues spoken by the participant at the public hearing. officielles, compte tenu de la langue utilisée par le participant à l’audience publique. Printed in Canada Imprimé au Canada HEARING /AUDIENCE MH-3-2007 IN THE MATTER OF the Detailed Route Hearing for Emera Brunswick Pipeline Company Ltd. (Brunswick Pipeline) Brunswick Pipeline Project Certificate GC-110 Pursuant to Section 35 of the National Energy Board Act HEARING LOCATION/LIEU DE L'AUDIENCE Hearing held at Saint John (New Brunswick), Wednesday, January 30, 2008 Audience tenue à Saint-Jean (Nouveau-Brunswick), Mercredi, le 30 janvier 2008 BOARD PANEL/COMITÉ D'AUDIENCE DE L'OFFICE K. Bateman Chairman/Président S. Crowfoot Member/Membre D. Hamilton Member/Membre Transcript Order MH-3-2007 APPEARANCES/COMPARUTIONS Company Emera Brunswick Pipeline Company Ltd. - Mr. N. Gretener - Mr. P. Zed Landowners Galbraith Construction Ltd. - Mr. S. Horgan Intervenors Mr. Wallace Nason and Ms. Heather Richard - Mr. W. Nason New Brunswick Southern Railway Company Limited - Ms. L. Gallivan Saint John and Maine Railway Co. - Ms. L. Gallivan Mr. Clayton Edward Poley and Ms. Deborah Marie Poley - Mr. C.E. Poley Mr. William Thompson - Mr. W. Thompson Mr. Samuel Wilkes and Ms. Vicki Wilkes - Mr. S. Wilkes - Ms. V. Wilkes National Energy Board/Office national de l’énergie - Ms. M. Fowke - Ms. J. Saunders Transcript Order MH-3-2007 ERRATA Monday, January 28, 2008 - Volume 1: Paragraph No.: Should read: Paragraphs 138 to 145 - to be ignored Duplicate of Paragraphs 130 to 137 191: …this mapping, the north aerial, … …this mapping, the north arrow, … 192: …which is the to the south. …which is to the south. 195: …that are regularly shaped… …that are irregularly shaped… 226: So we’ve chosen to -- our pipeline… So we’ve chosen to route our pipeline… 825: …the route Bay lay up to the edge… …the route may lay up to the edge… 1129: …at approximate chain of 2,500 where… …at approximately 25 + 500 where… 1138: …more east of 25-500 and then… …more west of 25 + 500 and then… 1210: …approximately 24 plus 400, the desire… …approximately 25 plus 400, the desire… 1287: The fact that the soil meeting here is… The fact that the soil medium here is… 1515: …rock face to float water over… …rock face to flow water over… 1520: …no salmons were caught, no trout… …no salmonids were caught, no trout… 1547: …would require a -- had authorization… …would require a HADD authorization… Transcript Order MH-3-2007 ERRATA Monday, January 28, 2008 - Volume 1: Paragraph No.: Will read: 1130: …to go under the train bridge and that… …to go under the railway and that… Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - Volume 2: Paragraph No.: Should read: 1623: …my name is Stewart Alexander Ramsay. …my name is Stuart Alexander Ramsay. 1720: …the tow of the slope… …the toe of the slope… 1726: …following the tow of the slope… …following the toe of the slope… 1732: …to the side, to the tow, it would… …to the side, to the toe, it would… 1746: …this was the 1975 Nelsonville plan… …this was the 1975 Nelson Vale plan… 1748: …this is a 1975 Nelsonville subdivision… …this is a 1975 Nelson Vale subdivision… 1766: …for the Galbraith track… …for the Galbraith tract… 1772: …across the tracks in this direction. …across the tracts in this direction. 1928: …indicate that west side of States,… …indicate that West Side Estates,… Transcript Order MH-3-2007 ERRATA Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - Volume 2: Paragraph No.: Should read: 2854: …crosses along the railway. …crosses along the right-of-way. 3328: There’s -- there’s the flower (ph) mowing There’s -- there’s the flail mowing which is used… which is used… Transcript Order MH-3-2007 TABLE OF CONTENTS/TABLE DES MATIÈRES Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION BY MR. MELVIN HANNAN AND MS. BEATRICE LATOUR Opening remarks by the Chairman 3431 Preliminary matters brought forward by Ms. M. Fowke 3435 Emera Brunswick Pipeline Company Ltd. Panel: Mr. C. Blair Mr. P. Seheult Mr. R. Mayer Mr. R. MacDonald - Examination by Mr. N. Gretener 3455 - Examination by Ms. M. Fowke 3487 Final argument by Mr. N. Gretener 3525 Transcript Order MH-3-2007 TABLE OF CONTENTS/TABLE DES MATIÈRES Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION BY GALBRAITH CONSTRUCTION LTD. AND GALBRAITH EQUIPMENT LTD.: (Continued/Suite) Opening remarks by the Chairman 3535 New Brunswick Southern Railway Company Limited and Saint John and Maine Railway Co. Mr. J. Murphy - Examination by Ms. L. Gallivan 3547 - Examination by Mr. S. Horgan 3569 - Examination by Ms. M. Fowke 3737 Mr. Wallace Nason and Ms. Heather Richard: Mr. W. Nason - Opening statement by Mr. W. Nason 3820 - Examination by Ms. M. Fowke 3840 Mr. William Thompson: - Opening statement by Mr. W. Thompson 3907 - Examination by Ms. M. Fowke 3931 Mr. Samuel Wilkes and Ms. Vicki Wilkes: Mr. S. Wilkes - Opening statement by Mr. S. Wilkes 3966 - Examination by Ms. M. Fowke 3996 Procedural matter brought forward by the Chairman 4010 Procedural matter brought forward by Ms. J. Saunders 4029 Closing remarks by the Chairman 4034 Transcript Order MH-3-2007 LIST OF EXHIBITS/LISTE DES PIÈCES No. Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe D-1-5 East Point Inc. - Notice of Withdrawal from MH-3-2007 proceeding 3440 A-29 NEB - Information request to Emera Brunswick Pipeline Company Ltd. (re Mr. Tuddenham) 4032 Transcript Order MH-3-2007 UNDERTAKINGS/ENGAGEMENTS No. Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe U-3 For Mr. Murphy to find out if the request by Brunswick Pipeline to New Brunswick Southern Railway Company Ltd. or Saint John and Maine Railway for their consent to allow a pipeline on New Brunswick Southern Railway Company Ltd. property was a written or verbal request and the date of the request 3581 U-4 For Mr. Murphy to find out if there was a written request by Brunswick Pipeline for consent from New Brunswick Southern Railway Company Ltd. or Saint John and Maine Railway to allow a pipeline on property PID number 415687, the date and form of any such written request, and whether there were any verbal requests of the same nature either before or after the written request 3581 U-5 For Mr. Murphy to provide the general plan of installation for the culvert, including any detailed or specific information, if available 3610 U-6 For Mr. Murphy to determine if there is an excavation permit for the NB Southern property adjacent to the Galbraith Equipment Co. Ltd. property 3625 U-7 For Mr. Murphy to provide the exact date of discussions between JD Irving and Brunswick Pipeline regarding approximately 40 properties involved in the corridor and right-of-ways 3659 U-8 For Mr. Murphy to indicate whether the person referred to as being in charge of the file was aware that other landowners could apply for variances to the court order 3678 Transcript Order MH-3-2007 Preliminary matters Ms. M. Fowke --- Upon commencing at 8:43 a.m./L’audience débute à 8h43 3431. THE CHAIRMAN: Good morning. Thank you everyone for coming this morning. 3432. The witnesses intended for the examination and questioning this morning are not here and, as such, we will deal quickly with a preliminary matter. 3433. I will remind the witness panel that you’re under oath and you’ll be subjected to a few very short questions from the Board. R. MAYER: Resumed P. SEHEULT: Resumed C. BLAIR: Resumed B. MacDONALD: Resumed 3434. THE CHAIRMAN: Please proceed. 3435. MS. FOWKE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 3436. I have one preliminary matter and that is I received a fax yesterday from counsel for East Point Inc., Mr. Robert Creamer, advising that his client is withdrawing the proceedings as the outstanding issues with Brunswick Pipeline have been satisfactorily resolved. 3437. And so I’ll enter -- I printed that fax and I’ll have it entered on the record. 3438. And I’d just like to, for the record, indicate that Mr. Creamer sent a nice comment about Mr. Zed and Mr. Gretener saying that it was nice to deal with such high-calibre and professional counsel and they facilitated communication between experts so as to allow an appropriate resolution of the matter. 3439. So it’s nice to see that and I thought they were sort of like the Travelocity garden gnomes, just assisting everywhere they could. So it was nice to see. --- (Laughter/Rires) 3440. THE REGULATORY OFFICER: That will be Exhibit D-1-5. --- EXHIBIT NO./PIÈCE No. D-1-5: East Point Inc. - Notice of Withdrawal from MH-3-2007 proceeding Transcript Order MH-3-2007 Emera Brunswick Pipeline Company Ltd.
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