Volume I Friday No. 4 22nd May, 1964

PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES

DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

OFFICIAL REPORT

CONTENTS

ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) [Col. 473] EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 474] MOTION: Yang di-Pertuan Agong's Speech (Address of Thanks) [Col. 475]

DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN 1965 DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report

First Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat

Friday, 22nd May, 1964 The House met at half-past Nine o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S. „ the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Youth, Culture and Sports, Y.T.M. PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah). „ the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister of National and Rural Development and Minister of Lands and Mines, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). „ the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Johore Timor). the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' , J.P. (Melaka Tengah). the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungei Siput). the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). the Minister of Health, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah). the Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan). the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan). the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang). the Minister for Local Government and Housing, ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K. (Ulu ). the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K. (Sarawak). the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Klang). „ the Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat). the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara). 467 22 MAY 1964 468 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Lands and Mines, ENCHE' MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak). „ the Assistant Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh). „ the Assistant Minister of Youth, Culture and Sports, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Trengganu Tengah). „ the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Sepang). ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N. (Melaka Utara). ENCHE' ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N. (Melaka Selatan). „ WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL (Kuala Trengganu Utara). ENCHE' ABDUL RAHIM ISHAK (). WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU (Sarawak). TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah). ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P.J.K. (Krian Laut). ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis). ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN GUL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu). DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). Y,A.M. TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T. (Rawang). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH ( Hilir). ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara). CHE' AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak). ENCHE' ALI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan). O. K. K. DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K. (Sabah). DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J. (Muar Selatan). ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam). ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG (Sarawak). PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING (Sarawak). ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N. (Kluang Selatan). ENCHE' CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak). ENCHE' CHEN WING SUM (Damansara). ENCHE' CHIA CHIN SHIN (Sarawak). ENCHE' FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah). ENCHE' CHIA THYE POH (Singapore). ENCHE' CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta). ENCHE' C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar). ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak). DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID ( Bahru Timor). DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap). 469 22 MAY 1964 470

The Honourable ENCHE' S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K. (Sabah). „ DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah). ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah). „ ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N. (Penang Utara). DR GOH KENG SWEE (Singapore). ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N. (Kapar). ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD. YUNUS, A.M.N. (Kulim Utara). ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Baling). WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat). „ ENCHE' HO SEE BENG (Singapore). ENCHE' STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K. (Sabah). „ ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN (Raub). ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Parit). ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan). TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hutu). ENCHE' IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak). ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah). ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan). TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N. (Johor Tenggara). ENCHE' JEK YEUN THONG (Singapore). PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN (Sarawak). ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak). ENCHE' KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan). ENCHE' KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak). ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak). ENCHE' LEE KUAN YEW (Singapore). ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim). ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K. (Sabah). ENCHE' LING BENG SIEW (Sarawak). DR (Tanjong). ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat). DATO' LIM KIM SAN, D.U.T. (Singapore). ENCHE' LIM PEE HUNG (Alor Star). DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan). ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson). ENCHE' JOE MANJAJI (Sabah). „ DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, J.P., P.J.K. (Kuala Kangsar). ENCHE' MOHD. ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K. (Sabah). ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh). ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah). „ ENCHE' MOHD. DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut). „ ENCHE' MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL (Jelebu-Jempol). „ ENCHE' MOHAMED NOORDIN BIN MASTAN, A.M.N., PJ.K. (Seberang Selatan). 471 22 MAY 1964 472

The Honourable ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). „ ENCHE' MOHD. ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Sungei Patani). WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman). „ TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan). ENCHE' MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir). TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD. TAHIR (Sarawak). „ DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam). ENCHE' MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah). DATO' NIK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.M.J.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir). „ ENCHE' NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah). „ DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Telok Anson). ENCHE' (Sarawak). ENCHE' ONG PANG BOON (Singapore). TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak). ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara). ABANG OTHMAN BIN HAJI MOASILI (Sarawak). ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN WOK (Singapore). ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor). ENCHE' S. RAJARATNAM (Singapore). TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N. ( Barat). ENCHE' RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat). TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD. SAID, J.P. (Rembau-Tampin). RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR (Kuala Selangor). ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak). ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S. (Muar Pantai). ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak). ENCHE' SIOW LOONG HIN, P.J.K. (Seremban Barat). ENCHE' SNG GHIN JOO (Sarawak). DATU DONALD ALOYSIUS STEPHENS, P.D.K. (Sabah). „ ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN ALI (Dungun). PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah). ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara). ENCHE' TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim-Bandar Bharu). DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu). ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan). ENCHE' TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang). ENCHE' TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak). ENCHE' TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara). DR TOH CHIN CHYE (Singapore). „ ENCHE' TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar). 473 22 MAY 1964 474

The Honourable PENGHULU FRANCIS UMPAU ANAK EMPAM (Sarawak). ENCHE' YEH PAO TZE (Sabah). ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas). ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak). ENCHE' YONG NYUK LIN (Singapore). TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD. TAIB (Langat).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' MOHAMED (Kedah Tengah). the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development and Assistant Minister of Justice, ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak). TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S. (Segamat Utara). ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong). ENCHE' HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN (Jerai). DATO' KHOO SIAK CHIEW, P.D.K. (Sabah). ENCHE' KOW KEE SENG (Singapore). ENCHE' , K.M.N. (Segamat Selatan). ENCHE' LIM HUAN BOON (Singapore). ENCHE' PETER LO SU YIN (Sabah). „ ENCHE' MOHD. TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID (Kuala Langat). ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh). ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu). ENCHE' SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat). ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka). ENCHE' WEE TOON BOON (Singapore).

IN ATTENDANCE: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' , P.M.N.

PRAYERS Question put, and agreed to. Resolved, (Mr Speaker in the Chair) That at its rising this day the House shall adjourn sine die. ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) (Motion) The Minister of Transport (Dato' Haji Dato' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, Sir, with your permission, Sir, with your permission, I beg to I beg to move— That notwithstanding the provisions of move— Standing Order 12, this House shall not That at its rising this day the House shall adjourn today until 8.30 p.m. unless the adjourn sine die. business on the Order Paper for today has been completed. The Minister of Education (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Sir, Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: I beg to second the motion. Sir, I beg to second the motion. 475 22 MAY 1964 476

Question put, and agreed to. sa-malam ada lagi satu perkara yang Resolved, saya rasa harus saya sentoh sambil That notwithstanding the provisions of lalu pada pagi ini. Ahli Yang Berhor­ Standing Order 12, this House shall not mat bagi kawasan Pontian Selatan adjourn today until 8.30 p.m. unless the dalam uchapan-nya sa-malam telah business on the Order Paper for today has 2 been completed. juga menyebutkan tentang soal gerai bagi orang2 Melayu di-Geylang Serai. Saya tidak tahu sama ada Ahli Yang MOTION Berhormat itu jahil atau sengaja THE YANG DI-PERTUAN menjahilkan diri-nya tentang apa yang AGONG'S SPEECH sa-benar-nya telah berlaku dalam soal tersebut. Masaalah gerai2 orang Me­ Address of Thanks layu di-Geylang Serai sudah pun selesai Order read for resumption of debate dalam satu perundingan yang telah on Question, di-adakan oleh Dewan Perniagaan "That an humble Address be Melayu, Singapura, dengan Menteri presented to His Majesty the Yang Kesihatan Singapura. Satu keputusan di-Pertuan Agong as follows; memberi puas hati kapada Dewan Perniagaan Melayu mewakili penjual2 'Your Majesty, Melayu di-Geylang Serai telah pun We, the Speaker and Members di-chapai. Kalau saya tidak silap persetujuan tersebut telah pun di-siar- of the Dewan Ra'ayat Malaysia in 2 Parliament assembled, beg leave to kan di-dalam akhbar tidak lama offer Your Majesty our humble dahulu. thanks for the Gracious Speech Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita sekarang with which the First Session of telah melangkah masok ka-dalam the Second Parliament has been peringkat baharu, dahulu kita telah opened.'" berjuang mewujudkan Malaysia, Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhor- tetapi sejak 16hb September tahun mat, saya suka menerangkan, ia-itu yang lalu perjuangan kita untok daripada pagi ini sa-hingga pukul mewujudkan negara tersebut telah 12 tengah hari ini, saya akan mem- juga berhasil, tetapi perjuangan kita beri peluang kapada beberapa orang belum selesai lagi. Apa yang harus Ahli Yang Berhormat berchakap kita perjuangkan sekarang ada-lah membathkan Titah di-Raja. Saya sedar bagaimana kita harus mengekalkan negara Malaysia itu yang terdiri dan saya tahu, ia-itu ramai daripada 2 Ahli Yang Berhormat yang hendak daripada negara Sabah, Sarawak, mengambil peluang berchakap. Kerana Singapura dan Malaya daripada itu, saya merayu dan saya minta berpechah-belah dan runtoh. Ini-lah 2 soal-nya yang mesti kita menongkan sa-kali lagi kapada Ahli Yang Ber­ 2 hormat yang dapat peluang berchakap, sa-dalam -nya. Ada-kah kita mahu hendak-lah berchakap dengan sa- negara Malaysia sa-buah negara yang berapa pendek dan tidak-lah mengu- tegoh, bersatu, sa-bati dari mana langi lagi apa2 yang telah di-chakapkan sa-tiap kita menchurahkan ta'at setia oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain. yang tidak berbelah bahagi serta menganggap diri masing2 sa-bagai Mula'i dari pukul 4.30 petang ini ra'ayat Malaysia yang tulin? Atau sa-hingga pukul 8.30 malam, Yang mahu-kah kita negara Malaysia sa- Berhormat Menteri2 bagi pehak Kera- balek-nya? Tentu sa-kali kita tidak jaan akan memberi jawapan atas rela menghanchorkan kembali apa hujah2 yang telah di-datangkah di- yang telah kita perjuangkan ber- dalam Dewan ini. Sekarang per- matian2 itu, kechuali sa-tengah2 mereka bahathan atas Titah di-Raja di- saperti Ahli2 PAS, Socialist Front, sambong sa-mula. Barisan Socialist, SUPP yang berada di-kanan saya ini. Enche' Othman bin Wok (Singa­ pore): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, me- Sa-malam kita telah mendengar lima nyambong uchapan saya pada petang usul yang telah di-kemukakan oleh 477 22 MAY 1964 478 Ahli Yang Berhormat dari kawasan mendapati bagaimana jahil-nya sa- Batu, konon-nya untok menyelesaikan tengah negara2 Afro-Asia tentang confrontasi yang sedang di-lancharkan Malaya dan ranchangan Malaysia. oleh Indonesia terhadap negeri kita ini. Kerana itu-lah di'ayah falsu Indonesia, Jikalau kita semak baik2 usul2 itu, Communist China dan Russia yang nyata-lah sa-kira-nya usul2 itu kita menentang Malaysia telah di-telan terima, maka kedudokan kita bagi bulat2 oleh negara2 tersebut. Apabila menghadapi confrontasi Indonesia akan saya kembali ka-Kuala Lumpur, saya menjadi lemah. Ini-lah yang di-tunggu2 telah menemui Tunku Perdana Menteri oleh Sukarno dan Parti Komunis dan mengeshorkan kapada beliau Indonesia. Jikalau tentera2 Com­ supaya Malaya mengirimkan segera monwealth di-tarek balek dan peng- satu rombongan untok mengunjongi kalan yang ada di-sini di-tutup, saya negara2 Afrika dan menerangkan rasa tidak sampai 48 jam Sukarno ranchangan Malaysia, tetapi sa-hingga akan mengirim tentera2-nya ka-sini dan Malaysia sudah terbentok, baharu-lah Malaysia akan di-telan bulat2 oleh rombongan sa-umpama itu di-kirimkan Indonesia dengan tidak payah di- ka-Afrika dengan di-ketuai oleh Per­ mamah-nya lagi dan tenggelam ka- dana Menteri Singapura .... dalam perut Indonesia saperti batu. Mr Speaker: Berapa lama lagi Dari sekarang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, anggar-nya? tugas kita ia-lah untok mengiratkan perpaduan ra'ayat Malaysia yang ter- Enche' Othman bin Wok: Hendak di-katakan panjang, ta' panjang, Tuan diri dari berbilang bangsa. Ada-lah 2 menjadi tugas kita untok mengekal Yang di-Pertua, tetapi saya agak abadikan perpaduan ini. Dengan per­ dalam 10 minit lagi. paduan dan kekuatan ini-lah kita akan Mr Speaker: Saya tidak-lah hendak dapat menentang sa-barang penchero- menyekat kebebasan Yang Berhormat bohan dari luar dan pencherobohan berchakap, tetapi beri-lah peluang dari dalam negeri ini dari anasir2 dan 2 2 kapada Ahli yang lain supaya mereka pengkhianat -nya yang anti-national. juga dapat mengeluarkan fikiran-nya. Kita telah melihat sa-malam bagai- mana telah timbul perpechahan di- Enche' Othman bin Wok: Lima antara Socialist Front dengan Barisan minit lagi. Sosialis. Socialist Front telah pun Mr Speaker: Chuba sa-berapa menyatakan pendirian mereka terhadap pendek. confrontasi, tetapi Barisan Sosialis belum lagi, saya kira mereka maseh Enche' Othman bin Wok: Hasil dari menunggu arahan2 daripada "back penerangan2 yang telah di-buat oleh seat driver" mereka. rombongan tersebut, beberapa buah negeri, saperti Algeria, Nigeria, Ghana Dalam Uchapan Titah-nya Seri dan lain2-nya telah faham tetang Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan masaalah Malaysia dan telah berjanji Agong telah juga menyebutkan tentang akan menchari jalan untok membantu perkara Kerajaan Malaysia hendak Malaysia bagi menyelesaikan masaalah mendampingkan diri-nya dengan 2 confrontasi Indonesia. Jalan untok negara Afro-Asia. Ini memang-lah merapatkan serta mengiratkan per- satu dasar yang amat baik, walau pun hubongan kita dengan negara2 Afrika sudah terlambat. Sa-harus-nya perhu- 2 telah terbuka. Terpulang-lah kapada bongan irat dengan negara Afro-Asia Kerajaan untok mengekalkan-nya. sudah di-lakukan lama dahulu sa- belum Malaysia di-wujudkan agar salah Ada-lah menjadi harapan saya, faham tidak berlaku di-kalangan Kerajaan akan berusaha untok menam- negara2 Afro-Asia terhadap pem- bahkan lagi Kedutaan-nya di-negeri: bentokan Malaysia. Waktu saya meng- ini dan melengkapkan Kedutaan2 ter­ hadhiri Sidang Negara2 Setia-kawan sebut dengan orang2 yang berpenga- Afro-Asia yang telah di-langsongkan laman dan bijak, dan bukan dengan di-Moshi, Tanganyika, pada bulan ahli2 politik yang sudah tidak laku February tahun yang lalu, saya telah di-dalam negeri ini. 479 22 MAY 1964 480 Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, recent elections, but their baseless saya ingin menegaskan sa-kali lagi argument was totally rejected by the bahawa sa-bagai Parti Pembangkang people. yang ta'at setia dan rela berkurban Mr Speaker, Sir, the world knows untok kepentingan national dan ber- that the people of Sarawak have had sedia memberi tegoran2 yang membena 2 their self-determination. We in Sarawak dalam soal dalam negeri. Saya meng- do not want Soekarno to determine harapkan segala tegoran yang di- our fate; neither do we want the kemukakan oleh kami dalam Dewan Honourable Member for Batu to deter­ ini sa-moga-nya mendapat perhatian mine our fate for us. We have now dari pehak Kerajaan. chosen to become part and parcel of Enche' Ling Beng Siew (Sarawak): Malaysia and we shall defend Malay­ Mr Speaker, Sir, I fully support the sia's honour and integrity at any cost. motion by the Honourable Member (Applause): I cannot understand the for Port Dickson to thank His Majesty logic of the Honourable Member for the Yang di-Pertuan Agong for the Batu when he said his Party was Address delivered in this House. The prepared to defend Malaysia, yet he people in Sarawak, free from colonial liked President Soekarno, wanted rule, have good reasons to look British troops to withdraw from our forward to a happy and bright future defence positions. Has he not heard within Malaysia. They feel confident that Soekarno is determined to crush that their future will be happy and Malaysia with his 21 million volun­ bright, because the Alliance policy teers? Is he not aware that we are a takes into consideration the interests nation of only 10 million people? In and welfare of all our people, the face of aggression of such irrespective of the racial origins and magnitude, is it not logical that we irrespective of the State boundaries. must seek the help of our friends to The Alliance Government's policy, as defend our nation? Sarawak is bearing outlined in His Majesty's Address, the brunt of Soekarno's confrontation, shows foresight and determination, but anyone who cares to visit Sarawak justice and fairness. The recent victory will see that the people's determination of the Alliance in the elections has to fight the aggressor is very strong. proved conclusively that the vast The confrontation has in no way majority of our people are standing lowered our will and our determination firmly behind the Alliance Government. to play our full role in building a happy and prosperous Malaysia. Typical of the pro-Soekarno elements the Honourable Member for Batu In this respect, Mr Speaker, Sir, I yesterday again harped on the worn- am happy to note that generous out line that the people in Sarawak provisions have been made to speed were rushed into joining Malaysia up social and economic development without self-determination. Elections in in Sarawak. To narrow the gap Sarawak last year, based on the between the "haves" and "have-nots" universal adult suffrage, showed that the rural people in Sarawak must about 75 per cent of the voters voted receive maximum assistance from the for the pro-Malaysia candidates. The Government to improve their standard election was carried out in the proper of living. When the farmers and manner, with no complaint from the gardeners become prosperous so will Opposition. Among 24 districts the the town become prosperous. To anti-Malaysia party won in only five combat poverty and ignorance, to bring districts. All these can be verified by about progress generally, Education in facts and figures. They are also Sarawak must receive special attention confirmed by the Secretary-General of from the Government. Compared with the United Nations in his Malaysia Malaya, the standard of education in Report. Soekarno refused to publish Sarawak is very far behind. It is the United Nation's Report on Malay­ hoped that the primary school fees in sia. The Socialist Front also tried to Sarawak will soon be abolished and misrepresent the facts during the that post-primary education will soon 481 22 MAY 1964 482 be provided for all boys and girls. and safeguard us in accordance with Thank you. certain principles and undertaking given by him. I refer, Mr Speaker, Sir, Enche' Ong Kee Hui (Sarawak): to the nine cardinal principles of Mr Speaker, Sir, in the Royal Address Brooks rule, which Her Majesty's His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Government of the United Kingdom Agong stated that we in Malaysia are had pledged itself to uphold, when she living in critical times. Those of us took over the administration of who come from the Borneo States of Sarawak. When the Malaysia Plan Malaysia are in a position to appre­ was first announced, we were reminded ciate perhaps more than others what of the cession of Sarawak by the Rajah His Majesty's words imply, because in of Sarawak to the United Kingdom as the confrontation of Malaysia by a colony and of that unhappy episode Indonesia we in Borneo are at the in our history, which caused so much front line and bearing the brunt of the unhappiness and which cost the lives attack. of one colonial governor and four For us in the Borneo States the misguided young . It gives us position under normal circumstances little comfort today to know that our would be difficult enough, due to the fears are justified and we face even stress and strain which are inevitable greater troubles than during that in the transitional period and in the unhappy period of our history. division of powers between the States I mention this, Mr Speaker, Sir, so and the Central Government. To use that Honourable Members can under­ an analogy, Mr Speaker, Sir, for us the stand our fears and our misgivings, wooing and honeymoon are over, the and why it was that the people of marriage has been consummated, and Sarawak proved so difficult over the we have to adjust ourselves to the first formation of Malaysia. To return to few years of married life. This my analogy, Mr Speaker, Sir, now that adjustment is difficult enough for us in the marriage has taken place, we must Borneo who have entered, if I may not only be reconciled to the situation say so, a harem where there are eleven but, in the interest of all, try and make other wives more matured and more a success of it. sophisticated than ourselves. Further, This marriage can only succeed, if life becomes even more anxious and there is mutual understanding among worrying for us, when we have to live the members of this new family of with a frustrated, ardent and ruthless States. It is, therefore, a matter of neighbour living next door. Yesterday, regret to us in the SUPP that the in his speech the Honourable the Honourable the Prime Minister of Prime Minister of Singapore talked of Singapore had seen fit to pay us a few centrifugal and centripetal forces which compliments and tag a red label on will make or break Malaysia. I am the SUPP. We, in fact, expect a little putting it in more simple and non­ more sympathy from him than from, technical language that our people in shall we say, the Honourable Ministers the long houses can understand. opposite, for it was not so very long Like many others in the Borneo ago that a similar label was tied to the States, we in the SUPP had strong PAP. Who knows, Sir, that history reservations about the marriage. This may yet repeat itself, and the SUPP springs from a natural desire for may emerge from the political wilder­ freedom from any ties, although the ness as the PAP did and assume the security of a married life is obvious same degree of respectability that they and apparent to many; we are also now claim. conscious of the obligations and In his speech, the Honourable the responsibilities of a married life. We Prime Minister of Singapore referred are not unaware that the world today to the wind of change and to the is not a safe place for virgins or chasm that exists between the PAP unattached females, but we had a step­ and the other opposition parties. With father, who was supposed to look after due respect, may I suggest that changes 483 22 MAY 1964 484 constantly take place around us in alleged activities were mentioned. Many nature in an unstatic world. As move­ of these persons said to be our party ments on the earth's crust create these officials are not even members of the chasms, so can further movements and Party. We therefore, cannot but see in convulsions remove them. In any case, this a move by the Government to chasms can be bridged and should be intimidate our supporters and to bridged or filled up, if we wish to destroy SUPP, the only effective opposi­ build a road in Malaysia that will tion party in Sarawak. If we really sub­ bring us to the promised land, where scribe to the principles of parliamentary we can find happiness and prosperity democracy, we must deplore action for our people. To that end, it behoves such as this, and I would appeal to the us to find common ground and areas Government in the interest of national of agreement instead of finding faults unity to review this matter. Such and looking for differences. Whatever action must in the end undermine the the Honourable the Prime Minister of confidence of our people in our Singapore may say of us, we have on Government and alienate their feelings, numerous occasions proved ourselves when there is vital need to rally the to be a responsible opposition. We people to the defence of the nation had no hesitation whenever national threatened by aggression. interests were involved to set aside party interest. It is on record that I, The role that the SUPP is playing in as Chairman of SUPP, had when the the State is that of a loyal opposition, Brunei revolt took place made a public a watchdog of the people, keeping the appeal to our members to dissociate State Government up to the mark and themselves from the rebels, and we on the straight and narrow path, had no hesitation in suspending two ever-ready however to co-operate with branches at Kiah and Sibuti when the Government should the national some people of Brunei origin got interests demand it. involved in the revolt. Furthermore, in Here in the House our number is response to the appeal of the Govern­ small, but nevertheless we are here as ment, we called off a rally at Miri representatives of the people of which had taken our members several Sarawak to look after their interests months to prepare and which was and to contribute in discussion and put scheduled to take place at that time. forth the Sarawak view point in We have consistently adhered to the matters of national interest. In pur­ principles of achieving our political suance of this aim, I wish to refer to aims by constitutional means. the subject of education, which is a burning issue in Sarawak. Reference is In the confrontation by Indonesia we made in His Majesty's Address to the have unequivocably declared that we introduction of a comprehensive school will fight to maintain the territorial system. The introduction of an integrity of our country. All these are additional three years of post-primary on record and there is no gainsaying education in the peninsula states of it. Having made our stand clear on such Malaysia is a welcomed innovation. national issues and manifested our We in the SUPP have for years loyalty, we are therefore aggrieved by agitated for such a scheme under the the recent action of the Government colonial regime. Although in numbers in closing our party branch in Lundu our urban population is not large, and a sub-branch at Sampadi. For the nevertheless the spectacle of 70% of information of this House, this Branch our school population being let loose and sub-branch had in fact ceased to on the streets at the age of 12 or 13, function, and there was no creditable with no prospect of employment until evidence that in fact the Branch and they reach the age of 15 or 16, is a sub-branch had been used for sub­ matter of grave concern to us. Unfor­ versive and illegal activities. In the tunately, there is no indication as to Government statement on the closing whether this scheme is to be extended of the Branch and sub-branch, the to the Borneo States and, if so, when. names of certain persons and their Further, although we have both in our 485 22 MAY 1964 486

Council Negri and here in this House is not perpetuated, for nothing will sought clarification from the Honour­ undermine Malaysia more than a policy able the Minister of Education as to of racial discrimination. when free primary education, which In his speech yesterday the Honour­ the people of the peninsula States now able the Prime Minister of Singapore enjoy, is to be extended to Sarawak, sounded a warning on the pulls on the there is no indication in the Royal loyalties of the different communities Address that it will, in fact, be in Malaysia by the countries of their extended to Sarawak. It is a matter of racial origin. We are in entire agree­ regret to us that immediately after ment with his views, but he had Malaysia Day that free primary educa­ omitted the Dayaks and the other tion is not introduced to the Borneo indigenous races in the Borneo states, States, as its psychological impact on who must inevitably look across the our people will be tremendous. There Indonesian Borneo border, for nowhere are a large number of people in the else in Asia are to be found the same rural and interior areas who find it people. Our people in Sarawak have difficult financially to send their high expectations of Malaysia, and we children to school or keep them there, must not fail them. Now that Malaysia and Malaysia will therefore have a is an accomplished fact, I say in all real meaning to these people if they sincerity that we are here to make it were relieved of this anxiety. As it work. stands now, the introduction of three additional years of post-primary educa­ Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil (Kota tion will only have the unfortunate Bharu Hilir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, effect of widening the educational gap saya berdiri ini ia-lah kerana hendak between the peninsula States and the menyertai Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang Borneo States. Lastly, there are dis­ telah berchakap menyampaikan ucha- quieting rumours that the introduction pan junjong kaseh kapada Duli Yang of free primary education into Borneo Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda is held up by the Federal Government's Yang di-Pertuan Agong, kerana titah insistence on the Borneo States uchapan-nya kapada Ahli2 Yang Ber­ adopting the same curriculum that is hormat Dewan Negara dan Dewan now in use in the peninsula States. If Ra'ayat pada hari Thalatha yang this is true, such insistence is not in lepas. Saya kerana ingatkan pesanan, keeping with the Inter-Governmental Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan mengindah- Report and the agreement which kan pesanan itu tidak-lah berhajat formed the basis of Malaysia. We hendak berchakap panjang pada hari wish to seek clarification and assurance ini, hanya sa-lain daripada saya on the points which I have raised on menyertal menyokong mempersembah- the subject from the Honourable the kan uchapan junjong kaseh ada satu Minister of Education. dua perkara yang saya hendak sentohkan. Saya anggap kapada titah Reference has been made by some uchapan Seri Paduka Baginda itu speakers to the subject of the special pada pembukaan Dewan Parlimen rights of the Malays. I do not wish to yang kedua Malaysia ini ia-lah raise communal issues but would make sa-bagai satu titah yang sangat2 just one comment. We think that penting. Sebab pembukaan Dewan giving more openings and better Parlimen yang kedua Malaysia ini opportunities for the have-nots of sa-lepas sahaja daripada pilehan raya whatever race is right and proper, if yang lepas menunjokkan satu riwayat we wish to have a more equal society. baharu dalam pemerentahan Kerajaan Disquieting information has, however, Perikatan di-dalam negara Malaysia. been given us that here in the Ra'ayat Persekutuan sa-ramai2-nya peninsula States preferential treatment telah memileh memberi keperchayaan is given on racial grounds in promo­ sa-kali lagi kapada Kerajaan Perikatan. tion in the services. I stand open to Kerajaan Perikatan telah memerentah correction, Sir, but if this is true, it is Persekutuan dahulu sejak tahun 1955 my earnest hope that such a practice lepas daripada pilehan raya pertama, 487 22 MAY 1964 488 dan kehasilan pilehan raya yang lepas memerentah mentadbir negeri Kelan­ menunjokkan keperchayaan ra'ayat tan. Saya tidak kesal dan saya tidak yang ramai-nya kapada kebolehan dan rasa sakit hati, sebab ra'ayat sendiri kemampuan Kerajaan Perikatan meng- telah menjatohkan hukuman. Ra'ayat arahkan negara Malaysia ini menuju sendiri telah menggunakan kuasa-nya kapada kemajuan dan kema'amoran sendiri. Perlembagaan tuboh telah (Tepok), dan kebolehan Kerajaan mempertanggongkan jawab kapada Perikatan mempertahankan kedaulatan ra'ayat. Tetapi jikalau sa-kira-nya kita negara Malaysia ini serta memeliha- perhati daripada kehasilan angka yang rakan maruah negara yang berdaulat. terbit dari pilehan raya negeri saya Kita telah pileh sa-bagai chorak yang lepas maka di-situ saya boleh pemerentahan negeri ini ia-lah Kera­ kata, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, angin jaan demokrasi yang berparlimen. perubahan telah bermula bertiup Yaitu Kerajaan ra'ayat memerentah di-pantai timor nanti (Tepok). Jikalau melalui wakil2 ra'ayat. Baharu2 ini kita kita bandingkan pada tahun 1959 telah adakan pilehan raya, kalau tidak dahulu yang mana hanya 27% sahaja salah ingatan saya pilehan raya yang daripada ra'ayat Kelantan memileh ketiga di-dalam negara kita Semenan- parti Perikatan, pada kali yang lepas jong Tanah Melayu ini. Jikalau saya ini hampir 44% telah bersetuju renong balek kapada pilehan raya memileh parti Perikatan (Tepok). Maka yang lepas saya menyoal diri saya ini dengan terang nyata-lah bagaimana sendiri ada-kah kita telah membuat saya kata angin perubahan telah mula satu keputusan yang bijak memileh bertiup di-pantai timor. Ini menunjok­ chorak berkerajaan chara demokrasi kan sa-ramai2-nya bilangan orang berparlimen? Itu dia saya soal diri yang memileh Perikatan itu telah saya sendiri. Betapa-kah saya me- berupaya mengikiskan chuchi daripada matutkan menyoal diri saya sa-bagitu, fikiran dan keperchayaan mereka, Tuan Yang di-Pertua? Jawab-nya segala karat2 dan kekotoran rachun2 bagini. Jikalau-lah sa-kira-nya kerana yang telah masok ka-dalam menjadi sa-mata2 berazam berkehendakkan darah daging mereka sa-lama lima kuasa pemerentahan, kita telah lupa tahun yang lepas (Tepok). Sekarang dan memejamkan mata dengan segala bagi lima tahun yang akan datang, perbuatan yang terkeluar daripada Kerajaan Negeri akan di-tadbirkan adab sopan yang telah di-ikuti dan oleh Parti Islam sa-Tanah Melayu. di-amanahi oleh musharakat yang ber- Pehak Perikatan yang ada sembilan tanggong-jawab dan menggalakkan orang Ahli di-sana akan menjadi satu perbuatan2 yang menyalahi undang2, pehak Pembangkang yang akan boleh menggunakan perkataan tutor kata membena dan menolong Kerajaan yang kotor2 dan jikalau dengan jalan PAS dalam tadbiran-nya. itu-lah kita menuju hendak memegang- kan teraju kerajaan maka saya shak Saya telah bacha dan tatap dengan dalam hati saya sendiri, ada-kah kita halus-nya Titah Uchapan Duli Yang berkerajaan berchorak demokrasi ber­ Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda parlimen yang mematutkan dan me- dalam masa dua hari yang lepas. Bukan main lagi bangga-nya hati saya wajibkan mengadakan pilehan raya itu 2 satu chorak kerajaan yang kita melihat, tengok segala apa yang patut ikut di-negeri ini. Tetapi apabila di-susun yang akan menjadi rancha- ngan2, bagi tahun hadapan yang akan saya memikir panjang dan menim- 2 bangkan dengan halus-nya, walau pun membayangkan juga ranchangan bagi telah berlaku perkara2 yang sa-bagitu, pehak Kerajaan Pusat pada masa saya sedia perchaya lagi kapada pemerentahan mereka yang akan chorak2 pemerentahan demokrasi yang datang sa-lama lima tahun lagi. Tetapi berparlimen ini. saya soal diri saya, sa-banyak mana- kah ra'ayat Kelantan akan dapat menekmati daripada segala rancha­ Pada pilehan raya yang lepas ngan2 yang telah di-susun itu? menurut atoran demokrasi sa-ramai2 ra'ayat Kelantan telah memileh sa-kali Enche' Abdul Razak bin Haji lagi parti PAS memegang teraju Hussin (Lipis): Ya, itu soal-nya! 489 22 MAY 1964 490 Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Itu yang dapat merasai lazat nekmat daripada saya soal diri saya. Di-pehak saya, pertolongan yang boleh di-hulorkan saya masok dalam pilehan raya yang oleh Kerajaan Pusat. Itu-lah per- lepas menawarkan diri saya kapada mintaan dan seruan saya kapada ra'ayat Kelantan untok menyuarakan Kerajaan PAS Negeri Kelantan ... bagi pehak mereka, jikalau mereka Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad (Tanah berkehendakkan kapada saya. Sa-lama Merah): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, minta lima tahun yang lepas, ra'ayat Kelantan penjelasan. telah menderita, menanggong kerugian yang amat sangat, sebab ta' dapat Mr Speaker: {Kapada Dato' Nik merasai kelazatan daripada beberapa Ahmad Kamil) Dia minta penjelasan ranchangan yang telah di-susun oleh boleh? Di-benarkan dia minta pen­ Kerajaan Perikatan dahulu di-dalam jelasan? Negeri2 yang lain yang di-perentah Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Boleh, oleh Kerajaan Perikatan. Tetapi, pada Tuan Speaker. diri saya, apa pun Kerajaan me- Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Tuan merentah, sama ada Kerajaan Puteh, Yang di-Pertua, saya minta Ahli Yang atau Kerajaan Hitam, atau Kerajaan Berhormat dari Kota Bharu Hilir itu Kuning, pokok yang akhir-nya ia-lah menyebutkan, apa-kah benda yang yang kita kena layankan, dan bichara- Kerajaan PAS Negeri Kelantan tidak kan, ia-lah manusia, Tuan Yang terima, sekian. di-Pertua. Manusia, laki2 dan perem- puan, muda dan tua, besar dan kechil. Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Tuan Oleh itu, dalam masa yang singkat Yang di-Pertua, satu daripada-nya yang di-untokkan kapada saya ini, yang saya faham, ranchangan yang Kerajaan PAS dahulu tidak terima saya suka-lah bertanya jika sa-kira- sa-bagai satu pertolongan daripada nya pehak yang bertanggongan Kera­ Kerajaan Perikatan ia-lah Ranchangan jaan Perikatan boleh menyatakan di- Tanah yang di-buka dengan luas-nya Dewan ini, apa-kah akan menjadi di-Negeri2 lain di-mana Kerajaan policy pandangan Kerajaan Perikatan Perikatan memerentah pada peringkat kapada Negeri saya negeri Kelantan Negeri. Ra'ayat Kelantan telah lapar sa-lama lima tahun yang akan datang 2 2 dan dahaga kapada tanah . Ra'ayat ini? Apa-kah chadangan Kerajaan Kelantan ia-lah ra'ayat yang terdiri Perikatan hendak di-tujukan kapada 2 2 daripada orang yang miskin, Tuan pendudok dan ra'ayat negeri Kelan­ Yang di-Pertua, kerana tidak di-buka tan? Barangkali, saya boleh agak Ranchangan Tanah, telah banyak dari­ rasa-nya, jawapan daripada pehak pada mereka, beratus hingga beribu Kerajaan Perikatan, "bukan kami faham saya telah pergi ka-Trengganu, ta' mahu tolong Kelantan, sa-lama telah pergi ka-Pahang, meminta tanah lima tahun yang lepas, kami telah daripada Kerajaan2 dua buah Negeri menawarkan pertolongan, tetapi ma- itu. lang-nya Kerajaan Negeri yang di- bawah pemerentahan PAS dahulu tidak Itu satu daripada ranchangan, atau suka hendak bekerjasama, atau tidak pertolongan yang faham saya Kerajaan suka hendak menerima pertolongan", PAS di-negeri Kelantan dahulu tidak suka hendak menerima daripada Kera­ boleh jadi agak jawapan saya itu 2 betul. Jika sa-kira-nya betul-lah bagitu, jaan Perikatan, dan sa-besar itu-lah pertolongan yang saya fikir boleh saya mengambil peluang ini menyeru membawa faedah kapada ra'ayat kapada pehak Kerajaan PAS di-negeri Kelantan, ia-itu Ranchangan Pem- Kelantan, hendak-lah mereka ketepi- bukaan Tanah dengan sa-luas2-nya kan, jikalau boleh, buang-lah ka-laut 2 supaya boleh ra'ayat Kelantan dapat segala sentiment politik mereka dan hidup dengan sama sa-imbang, sa-taraf ingat-lah mereka kapada keadaan 2 2 2 dengan ra'ayat Melayu di-Negeri lain ra'ayat di-Kelantan. Bekerjasama-lah yang telah dapat nekmat sa-lama Kerajaan itu dengan Kerajaan Pusat, 2 empat lima tahun yang lepas, telah mudah an dapat-lah ra'ayat Kelantan merasa kelazatan nekmat daripada yang telah terkebelakang sa-lama ini pembukaan tanah di-Negeri2 lain. 491 22 MAY 1964 492 Eriche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Saya kerja, maka tertanggong-lah kapada mahu minta penjelasan. Kerajaan PAS Negeri Kelantan itu memikirkan panjang dan mengubah Mr Speaker: (Kapada Dato' Nik chorak2 kerjasama, atau chara2 yang Ahmad Kamil) Dia mahu minta pen­ mereka itu boleh bekerjasama. Jikalau jelasan, boleh benarkan. saya hendak bersharah di-sini, Tuan Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan chorak2 dan Yang di-Pertua, masaalah pembukaan chara bagaimana-kah Kerajaan PAS tanah dalam negeri Kelantan, itu kami di-Negeri Kelantan membuka tanah, punya policy sendiri. Sa-lama kami tentu-lah saya akan mengambil masa berkuasa dalam negeri Kelantan, maka yang panjang. Saya ini dengan kerana chara kami ada-lah hak kami untok Allah menyeru kapada Kerajaan PAS mengator policy di-dalam negeri meminta mereka bekerjasama untok Kelantan. demi kepentingan ra'ayat negeri Kelan­ tan. (Tepok). Saya minta mereka Mr Speaker: Itu bukan penjelasan, lupakan soal2 parti; itu sahaja. Parti itu penerangan. politik itu minta lupakan. Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Jadi, erti-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua . . . Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Tuan (Di-sampok). Yang di-Pertua, minta penerangan. Mr Speaker: Biar saya sahaja yang Dato' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Itu-lah memberikan hukuman, jangan ramai yang membawa permintaan saya, yang berchakap. dengan ikhlas, dengan kerana Allah, bukan saya hendak mengkaji parti Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: Di- politik mereka. Dengan jalan politik negeri Kelantan, kami telah mem­ PAS, ra'ayat telah memileh Parti buka . . . PAS memerentah negeri Kelantan. Mr Speaker: Sabar dahulu! Awak maka tertanggong-lah pada Parti PAS melihat, menengok supaya jangan-lah hendak minta penjelasan; yang awak 2 2 berchakap ini penerangan daripada orang ra'ayat di-negeri Kelantan itu pehak awak. Penjelasan ma'ana-nya tertinggal ka-belakang. Jikalau mereka tidak mampu membuat, atau men- awak hendak menjelaskan apa dia 2 benda itu. jalankan apa ranchangan, maka di-sini-lah saya berseru meminta Enche' Mustapha bin Ahmad: mereka bekerjasama dengan Kerajaan Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Pusat; itu sahaja permintaan saya. Kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tadi apa-kah kami dalam negeri Demikian-lah, terima kaseh banyak. Kelantan tidak membuka tanah? Apa- (Tepok). kah negeri kami dengan negeri2 yang Enche' Tan Toh Hong (Bukit lain itu lebeh banyak negeri2 lain Bintang): Mr Speaker, Honourable membuka tanah mengikut persen Members, on behalf of the people of negeri? Sekian, terima kaseh. Bukit Bintang and myself, may I Data' Nik Ahmad Kamil: Tuan express our appreciation to His Majesty Yang di-Pertua—Tuan Yang di-Pertua the Yang di-Pertuan Agong on the telah memberi pesanan pada pagi ini delivery of his Gracious Speech, a sa-hingga pukul 12 sahaja di-beri speech which is simplicity in style and peluang kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat comprehensive in its implications. beruchap. Sa-bagaimana saya katakan Mr Speaker, Sir, being here for the tadi, saya tidak hendak mengambil first time, I am most proud to be a masa yang panjang. Saya menyeru Member of this august House of kapada Kerajaan PAS di-negeri parliamentary sovereignty, eloquent of Kelantan, minta-lah bekerjasama, jika that true democracy which dignifies the sa-kira-nya chara2 mereka itu hendak individual human being of Malaysia. bekerjasama yang lepas, yang tidak At the same time, I am also most boleh membawa kedua2 pehak itu humbled by the enormous tasks ahead kapada segi yang boleh membuat of us in the five years to come, which 493 22 MAY 1964 494 we are duty bound to perform. Bearing everyone of us here holds a mandate in mind this heavy and responsible from the people, upholding a high duty of furthering the welfare of our position of trust that transcends all people, I am shocked and utterly qualifications. Therefore, Mr Speaker, dismayed by the quality of debates of Sir, I strongly deplore and protest such some of the leaders of Opposition insinuating vile attack from one parlia­ parties. mentarian to another parliamentarian. The leader of the Socialist Front and I hope we will hear no more of charged the Alliance as warmongers such attack. without giving any concrete, relevant Sir, I have sat patiently in this evidence in his hour-long speech. House for the last two days listening Rightly or wrongly, the leader of the to some of the speeches, and for that P.A.P. charged the Socialist Front as matter the opening speeches of some a communist open-front organisation. of the leaders of the Opposition; We have yet to hear proof from the namely the Honourable Prime Minister Honourable Member from Singapore. of Singapore, the Member for Ipoh, The leader of the P.P.P., the Honour­ the Member for Batu and the Member able Member for Ipoh, accused the for Pasir Puteh, and I have heard Alliance of cheating the Malays nothing but mainly a chattering verbal through rural development. Again, it warfare on party politics. is full-stop there. There is no proof; there is no further explanation. I have Whilst our land are being invaded never in my life, Mr Speaker, Sir, and our people killed, these political heard of such a sweeping, general and leaders, who have pledged to be false statement. I would like to rebut worthy of the high trust placed in this false statement by the Honourable them, engaged in a verbal mahjong of Member for Ipoh, who is, unfortu­ "I pong you and you pong me; and nately, not here this morning. The you are no good, I am better than you." Alliance has opened up 500,000 acres Similarly, while there is a very of land in its nine years rule and that likelihood of all our homes being has given hope, promise and financial ravaged by the fire of war and security to well over 40,000 families destruction, the Honourable Member who were mostly landless people for Ipoh spoke in all earnestness on before. Apart from making sweeping the problem of putting political poster statements, he even sank lower to on a rubber tree. launch an attack of implied smear Mr Speaker, Sir, I regret to say that against one of the Honourable although I am a "freshie", I would Members of this House. I am most like to lodge a vote of protest against perturbed, Mr Speaker, Sir, that in this these honourable seniors and seasoned House of high parliamentary ideals, politicians on the quality of debates. I he should challenge and ridicule the am sure they need not be reminded of personal qualifications of one of our the function of the Opposition, and Honourable Members as to his quali­ that is, to oppose intelligently and fication for holding public office. constructively. Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to Member for Ipoh claimed that he had touch on some aspects of the speech been associated with parliamentary by the Honourable the Prime Minister democracy since 1955; and rightly of Singapore. It was a good speech so—he has. But surely a politician of (Laughter), a speech rich in high so many years standing would know sounding phrases and slogans. He by now that the basic essence and strongly urged for the need to inculcate concept of parliamentary democracy is in our people a spirit of national the concept of elected representatives? identity and unity. But he conveniently The fact that we are all here in this forgot to mention that the Alliance House—including, I regret to say, the Government has urged all along that Honourable Member for Ipoh—is the to survive we must unite, and the best qualification of all. Each and people know this too, and the people 495 22 MAY 1964 496 have so spoken on the historic day of on a clear conception of the meaning April 25th. (Hear, hear). It is May and implications of these two terms. 22nd today and I regret to say that the Honourable Member from Singapore Confrontation issue—"Yes"; Malay­ is somewhat behind time. sia issue—"No". Malaysia is no more an issue at all, just as the Member Nevertheless, what we all here would from Sarawak had said just now. like to know is how the Honourable Malaysia is now a concrete political Member would like us to go about entity, established by the free wishes inculcating this sense of national and self-determination of a substantial identity and unity. We know what to majority of people living in the do, but we would like to hear the component States. details of his proposal. One of my The fact that the people freely colleagues asked me yesterday what aspiring to be Malaysians is beyond are centrifugal and centripetal forces question. It has been proved and (Laughter) and external pressure? independently ascertained by the What have they got to do with United Nations Secretary-General national identity and unity? I was working committees, by the referendum placed in a most awkward position, in Singapore, by the elections in because, perhaps, I am not a seasoned Sabah and Sarawak, in Singapore, and political thinker to be able to explain now in Malaya. Malaysia is a political it in simple human terms. So, all I reality, and I would like to urge the could say was what was meant was Socialist Front and the Barisan that we are like a tin of packed Sosialis not to talk any more on the sardines. When the lid is open and left Malaysia issue, because they cannot there, either the cat has come to eat undo Malaysia, as it has come about them or the sardines are still there, through the free wishes of the majority perhaps not as crowded as they were of the people. before. In all seriousness, the Honour­ able Member from Singapore, please, Confrontation issue—"Yes". It is let us have concrete, detailed and down the Indonesians who confront us; it is to earth proposals, if he has any! not us who confront Indonesia. They used their propaganda machines to In the second part of his speech, crush us, and they failed miserably. touching on the Indonesian problem, Now, they are using militant guerillas he said that the most important tasks to attack us in our territories. On the ahead of us is—and I quote—how to other hand, we have done no wrong to resolve confrontation without under­ the Indonesians. We want only to live mining the security and integrity of in peace, so that we can concentrate Malaysia. I am still waiting to hear on our energies and resources to continue how he would propose to go about it. to develop our economy and to give I shall appreciate it, if the Honourable our people a better standard of living. Member, could enlighten us with his Knowing that we want peace despe­ plans in concrete terms, in language rately. Soekarno and the Partai Ko- that everyone can understand and munis Indonesia want us now to attend know the meaning of, on how to a Summit Conference for negotiation, resolve this matter of confrontation. while their militant guerillas are still We all want to resolve it too. in our territory. We want peace— At any rate, I feel heartened, and I "Yes". But we will not negotiate for must congratulate him, when he peace when our sacred land is being referred to our relations with Indonesia occupied, because sovereignty cannot as the confrontation issue, whereas the be and is not negotiable, and never Honourable Members for Ipoh and will be negotiable so long as the for Batu referred to it as the Malaysia Alliance Government is in power. issue. There is a very important and (Applause). basic difference in these two terms, so In this concept of sovereignty and fundamentally different, that what we the Nation lies the fundamental are going to do ahead of us depends difference between the Alliance here 497 22 MAY 1964 498 on one side and the Opposition parties trate: if a herd of bulls—Indonesian of the P.M.I.P., the Barisan Sosialis bulls I mean—were to run amok and and the Socialist Front charge and kill the peaceful pedes­ trians, we do not call that a pedestrian Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point problem, we call it the problem of the of clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir. mad bulls. Mr Speaker: Just a minute. I will Sir, on this central issue of Indone­ ask him. (To Enche Tan Toh Hong) sian madness, we reject the five-point Do you give way? plan of the Socialist Front, as pro­ Enche' Tan Toh Hong: Yes. posed by the Honourable Member for Batu. We reject them on the ground Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Yesterday that these five points are based on a I said that we must have peace, but false assumption and premise; namely, peace with honour, peace that safe­ on a Malaysia issue that is never guards the integrity of our Nation. there now. We reject them, because Perhaps, the Honourable Member for the consequences would be disastrous Bukit Bintang did not have the to our homes, to our children, and to benefit of a transcript of my speech, our security. or maybe he did not hear me quite properly. What then are the courses left open to us, if the Indonesian aggressors Mr Speaker: (To Enche Tan Toh persist to occupy our soil? What are Hong) Please proceed. the possible courses? As far as I can Enche' Tan Toh Hong: I thank the see it, there are three possible courses, Honourable Member for Batu for the or some combination of these. They point of clarification. I said at the are: very beginning of my speech on this (1) Just as we are doing now in a subject that there is a lot of difference war of containment, we defend between the terms, "Malaysia issue" and fight them in our home and "Confrontation issue". That is ground. where our fundamental difference lies, (2) We carry on our defence further because our thinking is based on by trying to eliminate their different conceptions of the problems supply lines and their bases, involved. I must acknowledge that the which means leading eventually Honourable Member for Batu had said to a total war involvement bet­ that he wanted peace with honour and ween the two nations and, there­ integrity, and we accept that. fore, the whole of South-East Asia. Coming back to this, why do the Indonesians want to crush us? Why (3) This is a third and more peace­ do they do this? No one knows for ful course. We can go all out sure, except Soekarno and perhaps a to win world support and few others. It could be that in view of sympathy, so that a sufficient the impending collapse of their force of world opinion can be stagnating economy and of the internal generated to make the Indone­ power struggle among the various sians stop her aggressive designs groups in Indonesia, they are forced and withdraw her militant to create an external issue to divert guerillas from our land. the Indonesian ra'ayat's attention from There is a great deal to commend internal ills. It could very well be on the third course of action, for Soekarno's dream of a grand Indone­ through it we can obtain peace with sian Empire. But whatever the reasons honour and integrity. maybe, Mr Speaker, Sir, the present confrontation against us is a manifes­ Mr Speaker, Sir, if we feel that this tation of an Indonesian illness, or is the right course, then we have got disease, or madness. I would prefer to to embark on two phases of action. call the confrontation issue as "the One is that we have to convince Indonesian madness". Let me illus­ our American friends that their aids 499 22 MAY 1964 500 to Indonesia, if unchecked, can only today, raised the question why there lead to a total war in South-East should be a Ministry of National Asia involving America as well. What Development when formerly we had is needed to cure the problem of already the Ministry of Rural Develop­ Indonesian madness is not by inject­ ment and now we have the newly- ing more vitamins, namely, monetary created Ministry of Housing. I regret or military aids, but through applying to say that the Honourable Member the correct psychiatric treatment. for Ipoh was a little too hasty. Had he taken the trouble to read the The second phase of action is to Gracious Speech of His Majesty the inform clearly the problem of Indone­ Yang di-Pertuan Agong, I am sure sian madness, Indonesia's aggression, he would not have raised the quest­ to as many countries as possible, ion, especially with all his legal especially the Afro-Asian countries, qualifications. I was a bit intrigued whose views are still not defined and myself. It was not until the Honour­ whose conception of the Indonesian madness is still probably very vague. able Assistant Minister of Education It is most important that we should who pointed out to me the relevant win the open support of these count­ part of His Majesty's Speech that I ries, because in the event that we do realised how hasty the Honourable bring forth this issue to the United Member for Ipoh had been. His Nations, we must be sure of getting Majesty said, and I quote, "As the a majority support in whatever United reorganisation involved in the crea­ Nations Committee it is taken up. tion, combination or division of port­ folios is not yet complete, . . .". It That brings me to the point raised is as simple as that. by some Honourable Members about the Afro-Asian tour headed by the Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Honourable Mr Lee Kuan Yew. Sir, Sir, on a point of order—I thought no one can deny the value of this tour, you said just now that this afternoon but because the tour was so cursory in was reserved for the Ministers to nature—the tour was so lightning in reply. I was wondering whether the its speed, I think in Bahasa Kebang- Honourable Member was not speak­ saan it is called Petir {Laughter)—I ing out of place? maintain that hardly any permanent imprint is left behind in the countries Mr Speaker: Please proceed. that have been visited. To project the good image of Malaysia is not a task Enche' Tan Toh Hong: The for a day or two, one conference or two Ministers have not replied yet and 1 conferences, one cocktail or two cock­ am debating on the Speech by His tails. It is more than that, and I urge Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. our Honourable Minister of External But at any rate, the Member for Affairs to set up permanent direct Dato Kramat has not given me a representation in these countries, so chance to finish what I wanted to say, that our representatives can carry on because I too intend to request the this project as part of their routine Minister of National Development for day-to-day work, informing these coun­ clarification on this point of port­ tries of the issues involved. folios; because the people of Bukit Bintang, and not just the people of Mr Speaker, Sir, I have spoken very Ipoh, are also equally interested in long on external affairs and I have a this Ministry of National Develop­ great deal to say too on domestic pro­ ment. But having gone through the blems, but in view of your reminder Special Appendix very carefully, I do that Honourable Members should try see the need for a portfolio or a to restrict their speeches as far as central body to co-ordinate the possible today, I shall only touch on various economic activities under the one issue. Mr Speaker, Sir, the various Ministries, so that we can Honourable Member for Ipoh, who have a coherent body for central fortunately or unfortunately is not here planning and control. 501 22 MAY 1964 502

On page three of the Special Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari- Appendix, on the Economic Planning pada dalam Dewan ini di-luar Dewan Unit under the Prime Minister's ini juga dan dalam kempen pilehan Department, His Majesty says that raya baharu2 ini Yang Berhormat there is a need to co-ordinate the Perdana Menteri sendiri dalam satu work of the existing organisations rapat umum di-Padang Merdeka, Kota undertaking industrial promotion Bharu, telah mengeluarkan tudohan2 and/or financing such as the Econo­ ka-atas PAS atas soal azimat ini. mic Development Board in Singapore, Sa-patut-nya sa-bagai Perdana Menteri the Industrial Development Division sa-buah negara sa-belum membuat and so forth and that steps are now satu2 tudohan hendak-lah terlebeh being taken to establish an autono­ dahulu di-pereksa dan di-teliti supaya jangan orang berkata Perdana Menteri mous agency to be known as Federal 2 Industrial Development Authority, kita itu mengekor dengan tidak tahu which will co-ordinate industrial perkara yang sa-benar-nya. development policies and practices on a Malaysia-wide basis. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi saya, saya bersetuju azimat itu merbahaya Mr Speaker: How long you are kapada keamanan negara kita ini, dan going to take? saya mahu bertanya kapada pehak Kerajaan patut-kah tidak manusia Enche' Tan Toh Hong: Five minutes, yang bertanggong-jawab mengeluarkan Sir. azimat itu di-tangkap dan di-hukum? Mr Speaker: That is too long! Give Ini soal-nya yang di-minta Kerajaan a chance for other Members to menjawab. Saya bersetuju orang itu speak? patut di-hukum, dan Tuan Yang di- Pertua, bersama dengan ini saya Enche' Tan Toh Hong: Yes, Sir, I membawa azimat yang di-hebohkan will finish it now. In the Ministry of oleh orang2 Perikatan itu. Saya men- Commerce and Industry there is also chabar pehak Kerajaan supaya the problem of co-ordinating the menangkap orang yang mengeluarkan various pioneer status passed by the azimat itu. Saya tidak mahu memberi various States. There is a need for nama orang yang membuat azimat itu centralisation. I suppose one may dan ini saya akan serahkan kapada guess that this subject might come Menteri Keselamatan Dalam Negeri under the Ministry of National Deve­ supaya mengambil tindakan dan lopment. I do not know and I would menangkap orang yang mengeluarkan like formally to request for a clarifi­ azimat ini di-Batu Pahat oleh sa-orang cation from the Ministry of National kuat UMNO. Saya serahkan azimat Development and Rural Development. ini kapada Menteri Keselamatan Dalam Negeri dan saya chabar Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul Kerajaan Perikatan, kalau betul2 dia Ahmad Mianji (Pasir Mas Hulu): menjalankan keadilan dan demokrasi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai ang- tangkap orang yang mengeluarkan gota baharu dalam Dewan yang azimat itu dan hukumkan dia. Mulia pada kali pertama-nya saya di-beri peluang berchakap make per- (Azimat di-serahkan kapada Tuan kara yang awal yang saya hendak Yang di-Pertua). katakan ia-lah soal tudohan yang Enche' Tan Toh Hong (Bukit di-lemparkan oleh Kerajaan terhadap Bintang): Can I ask the Honourable PAS tentang soal azimat. Tuan Yang Member on what part . . . di-Pertua, walau pun sudah beberapa kali teman saya mengatakan dan Mr Speaker: What order is that? menapikan yang parti saya terlibat Enche' Tan Toh Hong: On a point dalam penyiaran pengeluaran azimat of clarification, Mr Speaker. itu, tetapi malang-nya PAS maseh di-tudoh bertanggong-jawab ber- Mr Speaker: It is better for you to kenaan dengan azimat itu. mention the Standing Order. 503 22 MAY 1964 504

Enche' Tan Toh Hong: Sorry. I like Ahli Yang Berhormat itu masok to rise on a point of clarification. sekolah dewasa dahulu belajar. Mr Speaker: Dia minta penerangan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang (Kapada Enche' Tan Toh Hong) No, Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan telah he does not give way. beruchap dengan semangat dalam Dewan ini sa-malam. Ada orang Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul dalam dunia ini yang berbangga, Ahmad Mianji: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana kebodoh- Yang Berhormat dari Melaka Selatan an-nya saperti apa yang di-uchapkan- dan Yang Berhormat dari Hilir Perak nya sa-malam. Kalau tidak kerana harap mengambil perhatian di-atas Perikatan, Enche' Lee Kuan Yew tidak soal azimat ini. Negeri Kelantan juga berada dalam Dewan ini. Bukan-kah telah di-tudoh sa-bagai negeri Cowboy ini menunjokkan kesilapan politik-nya, dan kata-mengata. Sa-lain daripada maka orang lain boleh mendapat wakil2 PAS yang datang dari tempat dalam Dewan ini? Sekarang, Kelantan, ini ada dua lagi Ahli Yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa fasal Parti Berhormat yang mewakili Parti Peri­ Petir hendak di-marahkan, apa fasal katan, saya harap, barangkali mereka Socialist Front kita hendak marahkan, itu juga Cowboy. dan apa fasal P.P.P. kita hendak marahkan? Kalau tidak kerana ke- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pehak yang 2 menjaga keamanan pada masa yang bodohan politik Perikatan, mereka itu lalu telah mengeluarkan satu laporan, tidak akan berada dalam Dewan ini. kejadian2 jenayah yang berlaku dalam 2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, PAS dalam negeri dalam Tanah Melayu ini. perkara ini telah berkali2 mengingatkan Negeri yang pertama sa-kali banyak Perikatan 10 tahun dahulu, PAS telah berlaku jenayah ia-lah negeri Selangor, mengingatkan kapada Perikatan, kalau Negeri yang kedua ia-lah Pulau takut kena tikam, jangan beri senjata Pinang, Negeri yang ketiga ia-lah kapada orang. Sa-telah senjata kita Kedah, Negeri yang keempat ia-lah beri, senjata itu sekarang mahu makan Perak, Negeri yang kelima ia-lah perut kita, baharu-lah kita takut, Melaka, dan Negeri yang keenam baharu-lah kita mengingatkan orang baharu Kelantan. yang senjata hendak makan kita. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, walau bagai- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, timbul-nya mana pun dalam Negeri2 ini ada soalan sekarang, ada-kah kalau orang2 berlaku kejadian2 jenayah, tetapi saya yang memberi senjata itu kita hendak tidak salahkan, ada-kah patut kita salahkan, atau kalau orang yang menyalahkan Kerajaan PAS kerana hendak menikam kita itu yang hendak berlaku-nya jenayah2, ada-kah patut di-salahkan? Pada saya, Tuan Yang kita salahkan kapada Kerajaan Per­ di-Pertua, orang yang memberi senjata ikatan di-Selangor ini, kerana berlaku- itu ia-lah yang salah. Tuan Yang nya jenayah2 dan ada-kah patut kita di-Pertua, kalau tidak kerana Perika­ menyalahkan kapada Kerajaan Petir tan, Petir tidak berhak dudok dalam di-Singapura kerana berlaku-nya je­ Dewan ini kalau tidak kerana Perika­ nayah2? Yang patut kita salahkan tan, Ahli2 Petir tidak berhak me- ia-lah Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah ngembangkan pengaroh Petir dalam Melayu, kerana yang kita tahu yang Tanah Melayu ini dan kalau tidak menjaga soal jenayah2 ini ia-lah Kera­ kerana Perikatan, Petir tidak berhak jaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu. meletakkan chalun2-nya dalam negeri Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-patut-nya kita ini. Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, terutama Ahli Tuan Yang di-Pertua, wakil dari Yang Berhormat dari Melaka Selatan, Perikatan boleh-lah berchakap dengan sa-belum berchakap, fikir-lah dahulu semangat akan menghanchorkan Petir dan saya harap kapada Ketua Parti dalam tahun yang akan datang saperti Perikatan supaya memberi kursus yang di-uchapkan oleh Ahli Yang kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Berhormat dari Hilir Perak, tetapi apa Melaka Selatan, atau ada baik-nya yang menjadi kenyataan sekarang, 505 22 MAY 1964 506 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, siapa pun tidak Perikatan yang sudah memerentah dapat menapikan bahawa 42 orang negeri ini sa-lama 9 tahun dan negeri chalun Perikatan telah hilang, telah ini telah menchapai kemerdekaan sa- jatoh di-Singapura di-ancham oleh lama lebeh kurang 8 tahun, ada-kah Petir . . . dasar yang di-amalkan oleh penja- Enche' Hanafi bin Mohamed Yunus jahan itu maseh belum berubah, atau tidak di-benarkan di-ubah, atau Peri­ (Kulim Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, katan tidak mahu mengubah men- Peratoran Meshuarat 36 (1). Ini tidak jalankan-nya, atau yang di-lakukan, ada kena-mengena dengan Titah Ucha- atau di-siapkan oleh penjajah? Saya pan Duli Yang Maha Mulia ini. berkata tidak berubah dan dalam Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul banyak perkara yang Kerajaan hari ini Ahmad Mianji: Tuan Yang di-Per­ maseh banyak mengamalkan dasar tua, saya menjawab . . . penjajahan. Politik luar negeri maseh terikat dengan penjajah dan sudah Mr Speaker: Bila on a point of menjadi kebiasaan Kerajaan kita ini order, awak dudok dahulu—dudok dalam menjalankan dasar luar negeri- dahulu. (Kapada Enche' Hanafi) Sila nya, "Made in Great Britain"—lah terangkan. yang di-amalkan dan "Nombor 10 Enche' Hanafi bin Mohamed Yunus: Downing Street, London"—lah tempat Peratoran Meshuarat 36 (J). Ini tidak menjadi Kerajaan, tempat Kerajaan ada berkenaan langsong. Perikatan ini menerima wahi. Mr Speaker: (Kapada Enche' Hanafi) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Awak dudok dahulu. Dalam perkara Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan juga ini, dia boleh berchakap, sebab ini ada menyentoh soal bahasa. Kata-nya negara2 yang berdaulat, saperti Indo­ satu perkara yang besar dan luas. Ya, 2 jemput. nesia, Thailand, India, Arab dan lain lagi semua-nya mengamalkan bahasa Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul ibunda-nya masing2. Jadi, Ahli Yang Ahmad Mianji: Tuan Yang di-Per­ Berhormat itu akan menentang dasar tua, satu kenyataan yang tidak dapat menggunakan berbagai2 bahasa di- di-napikan, Petir telah pun meneng- amalkan dalam negeri ini. Saya tidak gelamkan kapal layar Perikatan ini tahu apa yang hendak di-tentang-nya, sa-banyak 42 orang chalun di-Singa­ kerana apa yang hendak di-tentang- pura dan dalam masa mereka di-Tanah nya itu sedang di-amalkan di-negeri Melayu ini, dalam masa 24 jam Petir ini. Dahulu sekolah2 bahasa lain telah mendaftarkan 9 orang chalun-nya daripada Melayu dan Inggeris tidak bagi kerusi Parlimen, dan sa-orang mendapat bantuan daripada kuasa daripada-nya sudah dapat menawan penjajah, tetapi sekarang di-beri sa-buah kerusi dalam Tanah Melayu bantuan berpuloh2 juta ringgit tiap2 ini. tahun. Dasar berbilang bahasa ini Tuan Yang di-Pertua, parti ini sudah di-amalkan dengan pesat-nya di-negeri bertapak. Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua ini dengan mendapat galakan daripada ta' usah-lah wakil dari Pontian Selatan Kerajaan dan segala bahasa asing itu marah kapada orang yang datang, di-akui sa-bagai sekolah jenis bahasa tetapi marah-lah kapada orang yang kebangsaan. memberi dia datang. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sudah menjadi tahu dari mana fikiran hendak kebiasaan bagi pehak Kerajaan dalam menentang ini timbul, ada-kah dari menjalankan kerja2-nya apabila tidak perut-nya, atau dari kepala-nya? berjaya, maka penjajah-lah yang di- Perkara yang akhir yang di-katakan salahkan, saperti yang di-uchapkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pon­ oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari tian Selatan itu ia-lah PAS tidak mahu Pontian Selatan sa-malam, kita mahu kapada jalan raya. Sa-panjang ingatan tahu. Penjajah itu di-salahkan, kerana saya, dalam uchapan rakan saya Ahli kemundoran orang2 Melayu dan kita Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh, mahu tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak sa-patah pun dia berkata tidak 507 22 MAY 1964 508 suka, tetapi ada di-katakan bahawa dapat berniaga. Ada-kah falsafah dalam menolong nasib orang2 Melayu, bakat yang di-chakapkan oleh Ahli Kerajaan hendak-lah mengadakan Yang Berhormat itu keluar sa-telah dasar yang lebeh concrete. Ini di-salah- di-adakan penyelidekan ilmiah, atau fahamkan, konon-nya PAS tidak mahu dengan angan2 Yang Berhormat itu kapada jalan raya. Tuan Yang di- sendiri? Kalau falsafah ini di-ikuti Pertua, timbul jalan di-atas tanah dan neschaya Yang Berhormat itu sendiri jalan yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan. tidak dapat dan tidak boleh dudok Saya mahu tahu dan saya mahu dalam Dewan ini, dia lebeh layak bertanya pada Kerajaan Perikatan. tinggal di-hutan2 menjadi petani. Tuan membuat Ranchangan Pembangunan Yang di-Pertua, orang Melayu hanya Luar Bandar dan jalan2 raya itu dari layak jadi petani dan peladang, kemu- mana-kah wang2 itu datang? Ada-kah dian timbul-lah berita koma dan titek. dari poket ra'ayat, atau pun wang2 itu Ini saya bersetuju, Tuan Yang datang daripada poket Menteri2 Per­ di-Pertua, kerana mengikut falsafah- ikatan? Dan ada satu perkara yang nya sendiri yang di-amalkan, mula2 menggelikan hati saya: di-sentoh-nya PAS, kemudian koma, kemudian Peri­ soal kalau tidak mahu berjalan katan, kemudian koma—saya tidak di-bawah, jalan-lah di-atas pokok tahu, Petir-kah, U.D.P.-kah, P.P.P.-kah kayu—ini monyet, Tuan Yang di- baharu-lah Yang Berhormat dari Hilir Pertua. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau- Perak itu akan stop? lah Yang Berhormat dari Pontian Selatan itu biasa ber jalan di-atas dahan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kapada Yang kayu, jangan-lah menyangka PAS pun Berhormat dari Melaka Selatan, dari buat bagitu. PAS telah di-chabar Pontian Selatan dan dari Hilir Perak, supaya menunjokkan ta'at setia kapada suka-lah saya ingatkan satu pepatah negeri ini. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak yang berbunyi: kalau-lah dengan per- usah-lah banyak kita chakap dalam chakapan kita itu akan menunjokkan chetek pengetahuan kita, lebeh baik soal ta'at setia, kerana pendirian PAS 2 sudah tentu di-ketahu'i oleh umum. kita dudok diam supaya dunia tidak Kita ta'at dan sayang kapada negeri tahu kita ini bodoh. ini kerana hanya-lah ini negeri kita. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekarang saya Tidak ada lain lagi. Kita tidak peduli suka membawa kapada demokrasi. dengan Sukarno atau Lee Kuan Yew Banyak sudah Yang Berhormat dari­ atau siapa sahaja yang hendak me- pada pehak Kerajaan mengatakan rampas negeri ini dari tangan kita— demokrasi telah berjalan dengan baik akan kita tentang. Darah dan nyawa di-tanah ayer kita ini. Demokrasi kita akan kita sedekahkan untok telah menunjokkan satu benda yang watan yang kita kasehi ini. Tidak usah baik, sebab itu-lah di-adakan pilehan pehak Perikatan menchabar PAS. raya. Ya! pilehan raya itu betul Sa-bagaimana bukti ta'at setia ini demokrasi, tetapi chara di-dalam Kerajaan Perikatan telah mengadakan pilehan raya itu tidak demokrasi. Kerahan Tenaga. Saya, Tuan Yang Di-Kelantan, umpama-nya. Saya mahu di-Pertua, sa-bagai Ketua Pemuda memberitahu kapada Dewan ini dan PAS Negeri Kelantan yang pertama kapada seluroh dunia supaya tahu sa-kali telah mendaftar daripada bagaimana Perikatan menjalankan 550,000 ra'ayat negeri Kelantan—saya- politik yang habis kotor dalam kempen lah orang yang nombor satu yang pilehan raya baharu2 ini. Rumah mendaftar menyahut panggilan negara. chalun PAS, Yang Berhormat dari Ini bukti-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua Pasir Puteh di-kepong oleh 1,000 (Tepok). orang Perikatan—(AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : Bohong)—Rumah Wan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mahu Mustapha yang bertanding dengan menyentoh apa yang di-uchapkan oleh Yang Berhormat dari Kota Baharu Yang Berhormat dari Hilir Perak ber- Hilir di-kepong oleh 1,000 orang kenaan dengan bakat orang Melayu. Perikatan—(SOME HONOURABLE MEM­ Mengikut kata-nya, bakat orang BERS: Bohong)--Pejabat PAS di- Melayu ini petani dan peladang, tidak kepong oleh Perikatan. Apabila kita 509 22 MAY 1964 510 minta pertolongan dan apabila kita bilang undi sa-belum di-bawa ka-situ talipon kapada polis minta bantuan, di-bawa ka-Pejabat Jajahan (District apa jawab pehak polis?—"Minta Office), pejabat ini di-kepong oleh Polis, ma'af, saya tidak chukup tenaga." chalun PAS tidak di-benarkan masok hanya chalun Perikatan sahaja di- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, banyak per- benarkan masok. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kara yang di-luar garis susila Polis sendiri memainkan peranan yang demokrasi di-amalkan. Dunia tidak penting memechahkan peti undi di- tahu bagaimana Perikatan ini meng- tengah2 jalan dan di-sil (seal) yang amalkan demokrasi itu. Dan saya lain. Tentang pilehan raya ini teringat- menjadi kewajipan bagi saya. saya lah saya pada cherita Hitler dengan mahu menerangkan kapada dunia: Gestapo-nya. Perikatan ini-lah Kera­ dengan chara haram dan kejam jaan Nazi dengan Polis dan tentera Kerajaan Perikatan ini di-tegakkan. Wataniah itu-lah Gestapo-nya dan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu perkara Chief Gestapo-nya berada dalam yang paling2 menyedehkan dan menya- Dewan ini sekarang. Tuan Yang kitkan hati ia-lah pegawai keamanan— di-Pertua, tentera Wataniah yang di- pegawai keamanan ia-itu Pegawai Polis bayar gaji dengan duit ra'ayat dalam negeri Kelantan, bukan jadi di-gunakan oleh Perikatan, Radio Pegawai Polis untok menjaga ra'ayat, Malaysia, baik yang di-pancharkan tetapi Pegawai Polis yang jadi tukang di-Kuala Lumpur atau di-Kota Bharu kempen Perikatan. Tuan Yang di- sudah menjadi alat Perikatan. Guru Pertua, di-Bachok umpama-nya, dan Sekolah Dewasa mengambil wang dari saya mahu memberi nama Pegawai ra'ayat, $4 sa-jam berkempen untok Polis itu kapada pehak Kerajaan ia-itu Perikatan. Sudah-lah yang lain2 itu sa-orang Inspector yang bernama tenaga gangster di-gunakan dengan Nizam, pernah orang PAS di-pukul, sa-luas2-nya mengugut ra'ayat, tidak apabila orang PAS pergi report kapada di-beri kebebasan untok mengundi balai polis orang PAS itu di-tambah dengan bebas, Perikatan beroleh ke- dengan pukul lagi—ini benda yang menangan dengan hasil kerja2 gangster, betul. Saya minta kapada pehak Kera­ dan hasil2 yang kotor ini-lah hendak jaan supaya menyiasat dalam soal ini. di-tonjol2kan oleh Perikatan kapada Ini berlaku dalam hari pilehan raya. dunia bahawa demokrasi telah sem- Anggota polis seluroh negeri Kelantan purna di-jalankan dalam Tanah Melayu telah mengugut ra'ayat dua hari ini. Tuan Yang di-Pertua . . . sa-belum pilehan raya, seluroh penyo- kong2 PAS di-panggil ka-rumah Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman pasong, di-tahan, di-pukul dengan (Seberang Tengah): Tuan Yang di- pistol, di-paksa supaya jangan bekerja Pertua, saya hendak minta pen- untok PAS supaya menyokong Peri­ jelasan . . . katan. Ini dia benda yang di-lakukan. Mr Speaker: (Kapada Enche' Abdul Di-kawasan saya sendiri, Tuan Yang Samad) Dia hendak minta penjelasan— di-Pertua, Pasir Mas Hulu, 30 orang hendak beri jalan? PAS di-panggil daripada 10 pagi Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul sa-hingga pukul 5 pagi besok baharu Ahmad Mianji: Tidak, Tuan Yang di- di-hantar balek dengan tidak di-beri Pertua. minum ayer, dengan tidak di-beri mengisap rokok dan tidak di-beri Mr Speaker: Dia tidak beri jalan makan, mereka di-ugut dan di-tampar (Kapada Enche' Ibrahim) Jemput supaya jangan menyokong saya. dudok. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada hari Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul mengundi kejadian ini berlaku, peti2 Ahmad Mianji: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, undi sudah pechah baharu di-bawa kita benchi kapada kominis, kerana ka-tempat pereksa. Mithal-nya, sa-lain dasar-nya tidak betul, tetapi apa yang daripada tempat saya, di-Kemaman, kita benchi itu berjalan dalam Tanah saya pernah tidor di-Kemaman, peti Melayu sekarang ini. Kita benchi undi yang hendak di-bawa ka-tempat kapada dictator, kita benchi kapada 511 22 MAY 1964 512 gangster, kita benchi kapada kejam, Kita mahu bagi tahu dan kita mahu dan kita benchi kapada segala2, tetapi ingatkan wakil Kota Bharu Hilir itu, apa yang kita benchi itu berjalan sa-belum PAS memerentah negeri di-tanah ayer kita hari ini. Kelantan daripada tahun 1959, Peri­ katan sudah pun memerentah tahun Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita ta' tahu, 1955 hingga tahun 1959, lima tahun yang kita tahu UMNO, MCA dan 2 pemerentahan Perikatan di-jalankan MIC ini-lah parti yang berada dalam di-Kelantan, apa fasal masa itu tidak Perikatan, tetapi kita tidak tahu 2 di-fikirkan untok memberi bantuan bila-kah Pejabat Pelajaran, Guru kapada ra'ayat Kelantan. Ra'ayat Kelas Dewasa, anggota polis dan Kelantan telah di-biarkan tidak men- wataniah, surat-khabar dan radio kita 2 dapat tanah, tidak mendapat sa-suatu tidak tahu pejabat itu bila masok tetapi apabila PAS memerentah negeri menjadi ahli Perikatan? Tuan Yang Kelantan pada tahun 1959. kita telah di-Pertua . . . membuat bakti, kita telah memberi Mr Speaker: Berapa lama lagi? jasa kapada ra'ayat sebab itu-lah Beri-lah peluang kapada orang lain. pada pilehan raya baharu2 ini, walau pun gestapo di-lakukan, walau pun Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul polis memainkan peranan penting, Ahmad Mianji: Sadikit lagi, Tuan tetapi ra'ayat telah sayangkan kapada Yang di-Pertua, dalam 10 minit lagi. PAS, dia tetap mengundi PAS. Mr Speaker: 10 minit itu panjang. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada satu perkara lagi yang di-uchapkan, yang Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul 2 Ahmad Mianji: Tidak sampai, 5 minit di-agong kan oleh Perikatan ini, ia-itu lagi. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, timbul-lah Perikatan semenjak memerentah se- masaalah yang di-uchapkan oleh wakil luroh Tanah Melayu ini telah memberi Kota Bharu Hilir yang meminta tanah sa-banyak 50,000 ekar kapada melupakan sentimen politik demi ra'ayat. Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kepentingan ra'ayat negeri Kelantan. saya hendak memberi tahu kapada Saya tidak tahu dan tidak pernah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahawa PAS dalam ingatan saya atau pun dalam sudah memerentah 5 tahun di-negeri Dewan ini, PAS pernah menolak Kelantan, 90,000 ekar tanah sudah bantuan yang di-beri oleh Kerajaan di-bahagikan kapada ra'ayat (Ketawa). Pusat. Apa yang saya ingat pernah Ini tidak dapat di-nafikan, ini satu Kerajaan PAS Kelantan minta bantuan benda yang tidak dapat saya bohong, daripada Kerajaan Pusat, tetapi Tuan Yang di-Pertua . . . malang-nya di-tolak permintaan kita Mr Speaker: Jangan di-kachau itu. Yang Berhormat itu berchakap. Satu daripada bukti-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jambatan negeri Kelantan Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul yang menyeberangi sungai Kelantan, Ahmad Mianji: Kalau benda ini bo­ pernah wakil Kerajaan Kelantan sen- hong, pehak Kerajaan ini boleh diri datang berjumpa dengan Menteri menyiasat sendiri. Tuan Yang di- Pembangunan Luar Bandar hendak Pertua, timbul pula masaalah dasar meminjam 5 juta ringgit untok menyu- luar negeri yang di-uchapkan oleh dahkan jambatan itu tetapi kerana wakil daripada Pontian Selatan kel- sentiment politik Perikatan ini, jam­ marin ia-itu satu perkara yang batan dan bantuan untok jambatan di-uchapkan oleh teman saya dari itu tidak di-beri, akhir-nya terpaksa- Pasir Puteh yang mengatakan Kerajaan lah demi keselamatan, demi kebaikan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dalam ra'ayat Kelantan kita terpaksa mem- merapatkan perhubongan dengan Afro- buat dengan duit kita sendiri. Asia ada lebeh baik satu chara yang baik di-lakukan saperti tarek balek Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada satu pengundian-nya ka-atas negara Israil. perkara yang menjadi kenyataan yang Saya perchaya ada Ahli Yang Berhor­ tidak dapat di-nafikan ia-itu pem- mat dalam Dewan ini daripada pehak bahagian tanah dalam negeri Kelantan. Kerajaan yang akan bersetuju dengan 513 22 MAY 1964 514 saya. Negara Israil ini di-dirikan atau Afro-Asia dengan Malaysia ini hendak- di-tubohkan atas darah, atas ayer mata lah Cabinet Persekutuan Tanah bangsa Arab dan di-atas darah umat Melayu atau Malaysia ini mengadakan Islam, negara Israil ini di-tegakkan. meshuarat-nya lebeh2 awal dan tolak Negara Israil di-dirikan tidak sa-chara balek dengan segera pengakuan ka-atas halal tetapi dengan chara haram, negara Israil ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan sa-chara di-sogok2 dan dengan terima kaseh. chara di-paksa. Wakil dari Pontian Selatan mengatakan Kerajaan Perse- Enche' Lim Kean Siew (Dato kutuan Tanah Melayu ini mengakui Kramat): Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish, by Kerajaan Israil. Ini ada-lah perkataan summary in fifteen minutes, to put the tidak betul dan saya menumpang malu record straight. Now, it would appear sa-orang yang mempunyai pengetahuan that the impression here is that as B.A. Honours ini tidak tahu apa yang Socialist Front has only two "coun­ di-lakukan oleh Kerajaan-nya sendiri. cillors" we are therefore of no signifi­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mula2 Kerajaan cance. The representative from Sabah Persekutuan Tanah Melayu menchapai has said we are facing liquidation. kemerdekaan, Kerajaan Israil telah The Prime Minister of Singapore pun di-undi dan dalam Dewan Ra'ayat talked of the winds of change. ini, PAS telah membawa satu usul Dr Tan Chee Khoon: 111-winds of yang meminta Dewan Ra'ayat atau change. pun Kerajaan Tanah Melayu ini menarek balek pengakuan-nya di-atas Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Yes, ill- negara Israil ini. Sa-panjang ingatan winds of change. In fact, what are the saya, tiga hari telah di-bahathkan figures? The Alliance polled 1,200,000 sa-masa ada lagi Allah yarham Enche' votes; the Socialist Front polled Zulkiflee Muhammad, perkara ini telah 330,000 votes; the Pan Malayan di-bahathkan panjang lebar tetapi Islamic Party polled 355,000 votes. malang-nya suara Perikatan ini ramai The P.M.I.P votes and the Socialist maka kalah-lah usul yang di-bawa oleh Front votes come up to 685,000 votes PAS itu. approximately. This means that, be­ tween the P.M.I.P. and the Socialist Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi merapat- Front alone, we polled more than 50 kan lagi perhubongan kita dengan per cent of the votes obtained by the negara2 Afro-Asia ini, saya sa-kali Alliance. Since we have opposed lagi meminta kapada pehak Kerajaan Malaysia, it therefore cannot be said dan saya perchaya ada wakil Kerajaan that it is an insignificant minority that di-sini yang menyokong chadangan ini has opposed Malaysia. supaya Kerajaan Perikatan atau Per­ Now, as for the Socialist Front sekutuan Tanah Melayu ini memikir- representation here—we have 330,000 kan sa-mula pengakuan-nya ka-atas votes—we are two. The Peoples' negara Israil ini. Saya minta dengan Action Party with twelve in Singapore sa-chara hormat-nya lupakan-lah senti­ and one from Malaya does not pool ment walau pun benda ini datang more than approximately 300,000 all daripada PAS tetapi mari-lah kita told. They represent less people than fikir apa-kah nasib bangsa Arab dan ourselves on the matter of votes in this nasib umat Islam di-negeri Arab yang House. I do not see why they should di-halau keluar dari negara Israil, boast all the time of their winds of negeri Palastin, oleh orang Israil ini change. mesti di-fikirkan. Terchonting-lah arang ka-muka negara2 Arab dengan Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Ill-winds of pengakuan Kerajaan Persekutuan change. Tanah Melayu ka-atas negara Israil Enche' Lim Kean Siew: If they do yang menjadi duri darah daging pada not stop making all that noisy wind umat Islam seluroh dunia ini, Tuan and let the matter drop, their doctors Yang di-Pertua. Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang may have to prescribe them another di-Pertua, saya meminta kesemua diet to quieten down the winds of dapat memperhubongkan negara2 change a little. 515 22 MAY 1964 516

Mr Speaker, Sir, further if it is true the Alliance promise the people during that the people have rejected the the elections that the national registra­ Socialist Front because we are against tion and the call-up will be for de­ Malaysia, then why did they reject the fensive purposes and that the troops P.A.P.? They were pro-Malaysia. They will not be sent out of Malaya? If that have been talking on how loyal they is true, then we are faced with the were and challenging us on our loyalty. second question. What acts of con­ How did they lose their votes and lose frontation are there concerning Malaya their deposits as well? that would make necessary the call for national registration and call-up? Dr Tan Chee Khoon: And how During the elections we read of some many? acts of piracy. Do they amount to Mr Speaker: Order, order. Do not threat of invasion? Acts of piracy disturb him. themselves have been going on for many, many years, and surely if the Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, Government thought that it was Sir, now again, what do we have in desirable that the fishermen should be spite of the election issue? As regards protected they should have bsen percentages, the Socialist Front in 1959 supplied with arms long ago—not with polled 12.9 per cent; this year we national registration. Besides, can the polled 16 per cent, although our Government guarantee that the troops representation in Parliament with to be registered will not be sent to regard to Members comes to 1.9 per Borneo or outside of Malaya? If the cent. The P.M.I.P. polled 17 per cent. Government can guarantee that, then The P.P.P., the U.D.P., the P.A.P. and the question of confrontation and the all the other parties together polled question of the need for national call- 9.5 per cent. up must be examined especially if acts Now, Mr Speaker, Sir. what was the of aggression against Malaysia are issue at the elections? According to his mainly acts of piracy. Gracious Speech, His Majesty did say that the dominant issue in the elections It is unfortunate that when it came was the question of confrontation by to national call-up, there has been no Indonesia. To support the King's debate in this House as to the urgency Speech you must accept that to be the or otherwise of a national call-up and truth. Confrontation by Indonesia is as to the kind and character of the certainly, though not entirely and national call-up that is desirable. I wholely, related to anti-Malaysia or remember during the elections the pro-Malaysia stand. It can be said that Honourable Member for Ipoh saying to a large extent the confusion caused that the Parliament should be recalled by confrontation brought about the to deal with the so-called national return to power of the Alliance. emergency and the question of national call-up. Mr Speaker, Sir, there is The Prime Minister of Singapore unfortunately no decision in Parliament stated last night quite correctly that the in this matter and no debate to clarify balance of forces outside of this House issues. was not so reassuring. It is true that outside of this House the prospects are Secondly, Mr Speaker, Sir, I think not so reassuring—even in Sarawak. that we have a right to condemn the There, according to our figures, the national call-up, we have a right to Alliance polled 29.2 per cent, and not criticise the national call-up without 70 per cent as alleged by the being considered disloyal. I cannot see Honourable Member from Sarawak. why the Opposition cannot express its views. The motion on the death of Mr Speaker, Sir, I agree with my Enche' Zulkiflee, a former Member of colleague from Batu when he says that Parliament, and the speeches made on if our country is attacked by aggressive that motion, clearly indicated that as foreign forces, we should defend it, and far as this House is concerned it is not, we would not be the last to do so. But as Mark Anthony said of Julius my question is this; did or did not Ceasar that "The evil that men do 517 22 MAY 1964 518 liveth after them, The good is oft is also as vociferous—I am sure he interred with their bones." It would be would gladly also go. more a matter of their supposed evils dying with them and their goodness SOME HONOURABLE MEMBERS : What extolled after their death as was in the about you? You follow! case of Enche' Zulkiflee. If it is true Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am pre­ that the P.M.I.P. was a party of pared to follow (Laughter) if they will treachery and their members were go first. But let them go instead of agents of Indonesia as was claimed by making that much noise. their opponents during the last elections, then why make such hypo­ Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Appoint them critical speech as in this House? If it Field-Marshals. is not true and they were not Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, disloyal, then they should never have Sir, I think that if the people do not been accused of disloyalty merely feel that they should die for Borneo, if because it is the duty of the Opposition the people feel in their conscience that to criticise the Government. Otherwise, they should not fight, then they should why have the Opposition at all? We have the right to refuse unless the might as well have no Opposition. situation is such and our nation's The Honourable the Prime Minister integrity is so threatened by foreign of Singapore said that they are loyal forces of oppression that we have no but that they are no subservient. I say alternative but to defend ourselves. that neither should the Opposition be Mr Speaker, Sir, as regards the sycophantic. Mr Speaker, Sir, whether question of the withdrawal of troops, Malaysia is right or wrong, the the Honourable Member for Batu Government has formed it. By Con­ made a proposal. Do you agree or do stitution, it exists. It would be wrong you not agree with it? If you do not if we do not, however, express our agree with it, then make some concrete doubts. Whether we are right or proposal. But what has the P.A.P. done whether we are wrong, is not for this for so many months? Has it made any House to judge. It is for history. If it constructive proposal for peace? No. is an artificial creation; if it is, as has Has it tried to talk peace? No. Has it been stated by an Honourable Member tried to suggest means for peace? No. from Sarawak an entry into a harem It has always been for war and not to the good of the people in the constantly says, "We will fight; we will harem and the people in Sarawak. meet threat with threat, arms with history will say so and we are prepared arms, war with war." But then in the to wait for history to say whether we end comes the pitiful cry from the are right or whether we are wrong. Prime Minister of Singapore which But surely we cannot be asked to this House has just heard saying, "We withdraw and say that now it is have ten thousand troops facing four formed, therefore it is good. We can hundred thousand from Indonesia. We still say, now it is formed it is still must have British troops to fight for bad; it is still bad for the people. Is it us. Please do not send them away." disloyal to say that? As to the question of national call-up and sending troops Mr Speaker, Sir, we all realise of to Borneo, remember that over course that before Malaysia we had 600,000 voters were anti-Malaysia. no trouble. And, in the Gracious Should you force them against their Speech His Majesty said: own conscience to go to Borneo? " .... I am most humbly and dutifully aware that My heart is overflowing with Should we not have a voluntary gratitude to Almighty God for the unity and service? Those people who want to go, happiness, the peace and prosperity He has like the Prime Minister of Singapore granted to our nation and people during this who is so fond of loyalty, should go on past momentous year.'* a voluntary basis (interruption) And as Sir, if it is true that we have peace, if for the other Member sitting behind it is true that we have prosperity, why the Prime Minister of Singapore—he have we this National Call-up? Why 519 22 MAY 1964 520 talk of confrontation? Why talk of the various separate races. (Laughter) Now, serious situation in Sarawak? Why talk what is a Malaysian identity? Does of the serious situation in Sabah? So, Malaysian identity refer to a fellow obviously, either His Majesty is badly who can speak Tamil, Malay, Singha­ advised or there is no confrontation lese and Chinese? and no problem regarding the security Enche' Devan Nair: Those who are in Borneo. for Malaysia are Malaysians! It has been also stated by His Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Apparently Majesty that our people have a there is a contradiction expressed here. "flourishing democracy". It is therefore One definition is different from the regrettable that the Honourable Prime other. The Honourable Member for Minister of Singapore should have Bungsar says, "Those who are for criticised the Alliance for its election Malaysia are Malaysians? That refers practices. But he forgot to mention to a national identity. Therefore, those that his Government gave the people of who are pro-Malaysia just raise your Singapore nine days for elections, he hands, and you will have a Malaysian forgot that it banned ten papers and identity. Of course, this is wrong. You unions, he forgot that it arrested cannot force culture you cannot artifi­ practically all the intellectuals in the cially create a national identity, you Opposition (Laughter) before the elec­ can create only the structure. Cultural tions were held. identity are personality matters depend­ Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Pontius ing upon cultural and traditional Pilate washing his hands! characteristics. You cannot by the wave of the wand from the Minister Mr Speaker: You have taken more of Culture create, for example, a than fifteen minutes now! Singapore culture because Singapore Enche' Lim Kean Stew: I started culture is Chinese-orientated and we at 11.30 and now it is twenty minutes all know that. Whereas the Malayan to twelve. culture in Kelantan is Malayan-Thai orientated. As for the people like the Mr Speaker: I will give you two Punans and the Muruts who still minutes. travel in jungles with blow-pipes? they Enche' Lim Kean Siew: Mr Speaker, have a different culture which is not Sir, the P.A.P. representatives have even Malay or Chinese. How are you always attempted to set themselves up going to create a national identity out as the great ideological interpreters of of all these people except to say a the situation in Malaysia and South political identity, and a political East Asia. They talk of a national identity is certainly quite different from identity, they talk of a national a national identity. culture, Singapore culture. And I re­ member the Minister of Information in Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to end up by Singapore talking of a Singapore reiterating that as far as we are con­ identity and culture before Malaysia cerned, we represent a sizeable majority was formed and now . . ... in this House. (Laughter). Enche' S. Rajaratnam (Singapore): AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: In this Sir, on a point of clarification, there is country! no such Minister as Minister of Enche' Lim Kean Siew: In this Information in Singapore! country. Six hundred over thousand Enche' Lim Kean Siew: I am sorry, voters out of two million, voted for Sir—Minister of Culture. (Laughter) those who are clearly opposed to The Minister of Culture spoke of the Malaysia. Are all these people disloyal? Singapore culture and now the Singa­ Are you going to put them in jail and pore Prime Minister talks of a have they no right to express opposi- Malaysian identity and talks of Malays, tion to Malaysia? Indians. Punans, Kalabits, Kadayans, We would be failing in our duty if Chinese, Sikhs, Punjabis and all our we do not say today that we do not 521 22 MAY 1964 522 think that confrontation is the real the character of this vital force. It is issue of the recent elections. The con­ not just a matter of will, determination frontation issue was a red herring; and and strength to carry out our purposes. we say that Malaysia has introduced There must also be a real identity, a into South East Asia an unholy moral calibre and also a virtue attached atmosphere of war. It has unsettled the to that vital force. But biologically it is peace of South East Asia and we must simple to reduce the importance of this seek all means to peace. I say, Mr vital force to the ability to adapt our­ Speaker, to allow Malaya to be pushed selves, and in the end it will be the into war by warmongers such as the survival of the fittest who will emerge Singapore Prime Minister, who came from the next five years. So, I shall begging to our Prime Minister to be have plenty of time in these next five saved by the creation of Malaysia, is years in this House to develop our wrong and such people should not be thesis. But today I merely wish to taken heed of. indicate that from the Gracious Speech Mr Speaker, Sir, I thank you very of His Majesty we already clearly find much for allowing me to speak, and confusion and uncertainty in the I hope at the next session that we will Government, because there are con­ not be hurried and that the Opposition tradictions quite clearly laid down in will have sufficient time to express their this Speech. views fully. The most important of all contra­ Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Mr dictions is the fact that our nation, and Speaker, Sir, I shall not take much this House today, is Malaysian and time, because all that I intend to do is we have to think as Malaysians. But to put in the first brush strokes of what we find in this Gracious Speech my Party through me intends to re­ reference to Education almost in present in this House. Hollywood style; "It gives me great Reference has already been made in pleasure to say that my Government the Gracious Speech by His Majesty, has met with unprecedented success in right at the beginning, that "We are its efforts to unify the various races of living in critical times . . .", which has our plural society through our national been developed in theme ably, bril­ educational policy . . ." Sir, even liantly, eloquently and effusively all though I would challenge this state­ through this House. I wish only to say ment, when applied only to the Federa­ that when you reduce the arguments tion of Malaya, I certainly say that it that we have so far heard in this has got no relevance and no meaning House, in respect of this debate, we in so far as Malaysia is concerned, have on tlhe one side reference to these because we have yet to establish a truly critical times and its definition in terms Malaysian national educational policy. of centrifugal and centripetal forces, I hope that whilst the Government has and on the other side by a promising given its intention that it will review young fish from Bukit Bintang the idea and introduce changes to its educa­ of its relationship to confrontation and tional policy, it will give this House Malaysia. Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to ample time and opportunity to debate add to this concept that has been and to create an educational policy, brought up in this debate one other which will really meet the needs of the concept: namely, that apart from the Malaysian nation. I am not quite so development of our national entity as naive as the Honourable Prime a result of the centrifugal and centri­ Minister of Singapore. The winds of petal forces of the Malaysian and the change may have started for him in confrontation problems, there is one 1961, but the winds of change, which other more important force, and that is have blown me from across the floor our own inherent vital force. Whether to this side of the House, started or not we survive, as in the words of much earlier; but I reiterate, however, the Prime Minister of Singapore, the words that were so eloquently whether this new nation, Malaysia, made by him yesterday: that if the survives or not, depends very much on Government benches do not change 523 22 MAY 1964 524 their ways, if they do not adapt their move with greater urgency to develop attitudes and their policies to meet the this new nation of ours, Malaysia, on demands, the greater demands and the a more uniform and on a more equit­ greater responsibilities, which Malaysia able basis. I refer to the part of in size alone and in extent alone, would the Gracious Speech regarding the make in a greater proportion than that development plans of Singapore, which existed in the old Federation of Sabah and Sarawak and of the pro­ Malaya, quite apart from the fact that posed integration of these plans into today we face confrontation, then the the first Malaysian Development Plans chances of our survival are "nil". in 1970. Sir, I urge the Government to However, I do say that we have hopes reconsider its views and try to inter- that, perhaps, through the new vitality, grate the development plans of these through the new energy that is created new States in Malaysia earlier than from the Opposition side, the Prime 1970. It is important for us to have an Minister of Singapore may in future economic uniformity in this country, if no longer maintain his Olympian we are to create the material viability heights and create a chasm across this which was referred to by the Honour­ side of the floor, but will come to able Prime Minister of Singapore. realise that the chasm lies really between us here and those opposite us; Sir, on a lesser note, in order that I and that he should not try to establish may bring up something local with a causeway in this House by building regard to my own constituency, I would it from material by digging deeper into like to say that confrontation has the chasm between the narrow passage­ brought real suffering and real distress way separating the right from the left to people living in the Tanjong area in the Opposition. But we shall bridge of Penang. Prior to the elections, the this floor that separates us by an M.C.A. component of the Alliance did expression from our side of the House try to ameliorate some of those which is more viable, more cogent and difficulties by giving $15 a month to more realistic than that which the those who were unemployed through Honourable Ministers shall in due confrontation. Sir, that aid is insuffi­ course expound to us. cient and I hope the Government will rapidly take up this issue and continue the aid so long as there is real reason Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to touch on to believe that the distress can be another matter, and that is again directly attributed to confrontation. touched on in His Majesty's Gracious Speech. Sir, prior to the formation of Sir, the other last point which I Malaysia, my Party urged the Alliance have to make is that when the time Government to go slow because we comes for us to talk over the proposed felt that the problems that were con­ East-West highway, we who live in fronting us with Malaysia were such Tanjong and in Penang, would wish that the Government would not be able that the development plans which have to handle them without creating endless been passed—the rural development trouble and bringing in new forces plans—will have a real meaning, that which they cannot meet. It is not for they should lead from somewhere to me here to claim that our predictions some place with some objective, and in 1962 were correct, because there is not just lead from nowhere to nowhere. no question about it that the present So, it is, from our point of view, circumstances prevailing in our nation necessary for the East-West highway, today are, to a large extent, due to the if it is to have any economic meaning manner and the haste, whereby Malay­ to our country, then to lead from the sia was implemented. We will not go hinterland of the eastern part of back to those arguments of the past. northern Malaya to the port of Penang. However, today now that Malaysia Thank you, Sir. has been established and in this very first session of this House, I wish, on Mr Speaker: The sitting is suspended the other hand now, to change our to 4.30 p.m. attitude and urge the Government to Sitting suspended at 12 noon. 525 22 MAY 1964 526

Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m. The pro-Indonesia and anti-Malaysia groups in this country have obviously (Mr Speaker in the Chair) drawn certain inevitable conclusions from the results of the last general THE YANG DI-PERTUAN elections. The most significant lesson, AGONG'S SPEECH Mr Speaker, Sir, is this—that when it comes to the question of national ADDRESS OF THANKS security and integrity against foreign Debate resumed. threats, the people as a whole have 2 proved to be overwhelmingly patriotic Mr Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat, in their outlook. The dominant con­ pada pagi tadi saya ada menyatakan 2 sideration in the minds of the electo­ kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat, ia-itu rate was the unity and survival of pada petang ini daripada pukul 4.30 Malaysia as an independent nation. hingga 8.30, saya beri peluang kapada 2 2 The other issues paled into insignifi­ Menteri menjawab atas hujah yang 2 cance in the minds of the people di-datangkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhor­ before this paramount issue of Malay­ mat. Tetapi oleh sebab saya dapati ada 2 sian integrity and survival. The results lagi Ahli Yang Berhormat yang patut 2 are there for all to see. berchakap, saya beri-lah lagi, kira di-dalam satu jam, peluang kapada The anti-Malaysia parties were Ahli2 Yang Berhormat. Dan saya convincingly routed, and it would take harap Ahli2 Yang Berhormat jangan- a long time for a party, like the lah berchakap lebeh daripada 10 Socialist Front, to recover, if at all, minit. from the popular discredit into which it has fallen. Indeed, Mr Speaker, Sir, Enche' C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar): so much were the people taken up with Mr Speaker, Sir, we may expect that this issue of confrontation, that even a if the press in Jakarta were to report number of political corpses have been any of the speeches that have been revivified and have astonishingly made in this House in the last few days, walked out of political mortuaries in the speeches which the Jakarta press which they would otherwise have would undoubtedly take up would be remained permanently immured. the speeches made in particular by the Honourable Member for Dato Kramat Marxist-Leninist theoreticians who and another speaker from the P.M.I.P. inspire the Socialist Front may take That, Mr Speaker, Sir, would be the some consolation in the pretence that kind of speech that would lend sus­ only one candidate from the democratic tenance and encouragement to the socialist camp has been returned to attitude taken by the Indonesian con- Parliament. But this, Sir, is poor con­ frontationists in their dispute with solation, when you consider that in Malaysia. mathematical terms "0 to 1": the Mr Speaker, Sir, the clear-cut stand increase in the number of democratic taken on Indonesian confrontation by socialist M.P.'s in this House from the Government will have the support "0" to "1", mathematicians would call of practically everybody in this House it "infinite progression," or at least the and of the nation at large. We are beginning of "infinite progression," living, as His Majesty's Gracious while the reduction of pro-Com­ Address puts it, in unquestionably munists in number in both Parliament critical times, and the confidence of the and State Assemblies represents an people has undoubtedly been enhanced utter rout. by the courage, intelligence and con­ Mr Speaker, Sir, there have been fidence of the Government's attitude indications in Singapore that above- towards confrontation. But speeches of ground pro-Communist operators in the the kind made by the Honourable Barisan Sosialis have learnt their Member for Dato Kramat are speeches lessons too well. They have realised which tend to undermine the will of that no headway whatsoever is the nation to resist foreign aggression possible for those who take an anti- at this time of very serious crisis. Malaysia stand. They have decided, 527 22 MAY 1964 528 some of them, to pedal a new, softer other single factor on the international and more subtle line. Pro-Communist scene. elements may now be expected to sport The Malaysian Goodwill Mission to even a qualified pro-Malaysia line in Africa has contributed a great deal an attempt to recover a portion at least towards a better and more sympathetic of the considerable ground they have understanding of Malaysia on the part lost in the last elections. In short, Sir, of African Governments. However, it we may be in the process of witnes­ is necessary to follow this up by sing the spectacle of people who turn regular contacts between the Govern­ patriotic for reasons of tactical ment of Malaysia and the Heads of opportunism. It must be our hope that the various African States. Quite apart the people will realise that patriotism from political missions, thought should is not something which can be turned be given to sending cultural missions, off and on like an electric switch. trade missions, and even trade union Loyalty to the nation, Sir, if it is to missions to the various African States. pass the test of sincerity, must be a steadily burning flame, which burns Sir, it is necessary to emphasise that brightest of all when the nation faces we must be careful from now on and the greatest peril. We have seen how judicious in our choice of ambassadors the Socialist Front and their Barisan and embassy personnel to foreign Sosialis allies in Singapore displayed a nations, and particularly the African complete absence of national loyalty nations. Malaysian Embassies abroad before these elections, but now they have to play a vital role and discharge are out, some of them, in an opportu­ vital responsibilities in the countries to nistic attempt to put on a show of which they are accredited. The Govern­ loyalty. They will continue, however, ment, Sir, will be making a great to tread the path of national treachery mistake if it were to continue to regard and betrayal, but in the misleading ambassadorial positions as sinecures garb of patriots. Such men will in the for washed-out politicians for whom long run prove far more dangerous there is no more use at home. From than outright sedition-mongers like Dr now on, the public has a right to Lee Siew Choh, who is no longer a expect greater care on the part of the member of his party. It can be said of Government in its choice of ambassa­ Dr Lee and company that they, at dors to other countries. least, do possess the virtue of personal May I suggest. Sir, with due respect honesty in their anti-Malaysia acts and to the Honourable the Minister of speeches. They do not hide their External Affairs, that in cultivating the sympathies for the enemies of Malay­ good opinion of African nations it is sia. It must be, therefore, the duty of vital to direct our embassies abroad to ill responsible Members of this House eschew any dogmatic rigidity in our to call on the people to intensify their approach to the different systems of vigilance against the more subtle government and varying ideological operations that we may expect from predilections of the Afro-Asian the internal enemies of Malaysia. countries concerned. Any narrow spirit of ideological exclusiveness on our part The Government again, Sir, can be will not help us to win friends in applauded for its intention, as expres­ Africa, and our major task there is to sed in His Majesty's Gracious Address, win friends and not to make enemies to associate Malaysia with the Afro- through any narrow spirit of ideologi­ Asian group of countries and at the cal exclusiveness. same time to pursue a policy of friend­ Next, Sir, His Majesty's Speech has ship with all friendly countries. Our dealt in a praiseworthy manner with international experience has shown the subject of confrontation and with that Afro-Asian misunderstanding the new and positive approach to the about Malaysia has given more Afro-Asian countries. But for the rest, encouragement to the intransigence of Sir, I must say that those who drafted Indonesian confrontationists than any the Address have done no more than 529 22 MAY 1964 530 offer a bloodless and altogether un­ the law to bring to book any employer inspiring collection of trite, timeworn who violates the democratic right of and anaemic platitudes and cliches. workers to join a trade union. Indeed, There is talk of a more dynamic there have been several instances in approach to labour questions, but the past when such violations of basic significantly no dynamic details have rights of association of workers have been offered. We are told that in the occurred. Mr Speaker, Sir, there are field of industrial development the still employers in this country like the Government is consistently maintaining Shaw Brothers who dislike the idea of its policy of free enterprise with the trade unions crossing their paths. Such minimum of restrictions and controls. employers would receive short shrift in This policy may or may not have paid Singapore if they attempted anything dividends—although we are assured by of the kind there. The law in Singa­ the Government that it has. But trade pore obliges employers to inhibit unionists will note that there is no predatory tendencies and to behave in corresponding policy for free trade accordance with the canons of civilised unions with the minimum of restric­ industrial relations. Sir, section 77 of tions and controls. Labour legislation the Industrial Relations Ordinance in is significantly lacking when it comes Singapore provides that any employer to the protection of workers against who dismisses an employee by reason the arbitrary actions of union-hating of the circumstance that the employee employers. Sir, most democratic is or proposes to become a member of countries enshrine in the law the right a legitimate trade union would be of workers to form or join trade unions committing an offence under the law, and provide penalities where this right and penalties are provided and such is directly or indirectly flouted by employers can be prosecuted in a court employers. Free and democratic trade of law. unionism becomes altogether impossi­ ble if this basic protection is not given Mr Speaker: I do not like to interrupt to the workers under the law. you, but you have taken more than 10 minutes which I said just now would The most recent example, Sir, of the be given to each member. victimisation of workers who exercised Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: May I their democratic right to join a trade just come to the end of the trade union of their own choosing was unions, Sir. I won't take very long. provided by the management of Shaw Brothers Limited. Some 30-odd This is the reason why employers employees were dismissed simply like the management of Shaw Brothers because they freely decided to join an behave in a rather different fashion in established union, the Cinema Workers Singapore but ride roughshod over Union. The management was apparent­ their employees in this country. I ly of the view that they should join an would recommend to the Minister of association controlled by the manage­ Labour, who is an enlightened man, ment. I understand, Sir, that through to introduce legislation in this country, the praiseworthy efforts of the Malay­ as part of the new promised dynamic sian Trades Union Congress and of the approach to labour problems, with a Minister of Labour, better counsels view to providing the workers with have prevailed with the management this protection which their counterparts of Shaw Brothers Limited and a settle­ in Singapore enjoy. In this connection, ment of the dispute has been achieved. I might call the attention of the But the point that I wish to make is Government to the following lofty this: that if the management of Shaw sentiments expressed in His Majesty's Brothers had decided not to budge Gracious Address. "Let us never from their original stand, the Ministry fail"—said His Majesty—"to remem­ of Labour could not have under the ber that what we are and what we do law ensured justice for the workers. must earn merit in the eyes of God Neither could the M.T.U.C. have done and recognition in the eyes of man." so, simply because there is nothing in Sir, failure to provide workers with 531 22 MAY 1964 532 basic legislative protection against we would witness the spectacle of violations of the fundamental right of people who, having the opportunity to association in a democratic trade union do something great and good, flunked of their own choosing will earn merit that opportunity in ignominy. It would neither in the eyes of God nor of man, mean that those who control the and we can be quite certain that the destinies of the nation prefer to travel management of Shaw Brothers and first class to hell, for that would be the managements like them have already destination of a country which does piled up a great deal of demerit in not hold up, as its supreme and heaven. It remains to be seen, Sir, conscious goal, the attainment of social whether their anti-union acts have and economic justice for all its citizens. obtained or will obtain recognition in the eyes of the Government. Let us hope, Sir, in conclusion, that those who hold the reigns of power Lastly, Sir, may I just touch on the today will decide not to travel first question of hospitals with your permis­ class to hell, but let us hope that they sion—it won't take too much time. decide for their good and for the good Mr Speaker: I will give you another of everybody else that the ticket to paradise—to a more just society—is a 2 minutes. third class ticket in the company of the Enche' C. V. Devan Nair: Mr ordinary people of this country and Speaker, Sir, this is pressing it too with the intention of achieving a better much, and I think I have to leave off life for the people of Malaysia. my observations on hospitals for I am much obliged, Mr Speaker, Sir. another occasion and I will end up. Sir, social and economic programmes The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun have been sketched by the Government Haji Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, only in the vaguest of outlines and I would like to reply to a number of this certainly is a matter for regret. points raised by the Honourable Here is a Government which has Members, particularly those of the received an overwhelming mandate Opposition, on His Majesty's Speech. from the people and it should have My colleagues, the other Ministers, taken the opportunity to come out with will reply on various points connected something more than merely a nebulous with their respective Ministries. outline of policy. One can only hope, First, Sir, 1 would like to reply to the Sir, that the usual failing of self- speech made by the Honourable satisfaction and smug complacency Member for Batu. Now, the Honour­ that is usually associated with success able Member, in the course of his long has not settled on the Government. speech, asked what are the qualifica­ That would be a tragedy not only for tions for Ministers, thereby casting the Government but for the country aspersions on members of this at large. Industrial and economic Government. The Honourable Member progress, Sir, are not ends in them­ should know that we here practise selves, but these goals must be sought parliamentary democracy and we have in order to implement the ideals of a Party Government. Our Government social justice, of a fairer distribution of and our Cabinet are collectively national wealth, of equality of op­ responsible to this House and collec­ portunity for all irrespective of race, tively responsible to the country. It is colour or creed, of the ending of the sole privilege of our Party and the exploitation of man by man and, in leader of our Party to choose from short, of a more just and equal society. among the leading members of our But the Government's statement on Party as Ministers of the Government. socio-economic policy is conspicuous The main qualifications, Sir, are for its poverty of vision and idealism. sincerity and devotion to duty which Are things to carry on just as before? we have shown to the country that we Are those in authority to look more in the Alliance for nine years have after themselves and less after the ideals served the people well. That is why the of social justice? That would mean that people voted us to power after nine 533 22 MAY 1964 534 years with such an overwhelming Sir, the Honourable Member for majority. (Applause). Batu put up a five-point plan for peace and this is what, he says, the Socialist Now, Sir, the Honourable Member stands for. Sir, his plan is completely for Batu, who has just joined this out of date. First, he called for an House, still sings the old tune so often immediate ceasefire. The ceasefire was sung by his colleagues previously in effected, as everyone in this country this House that Malaysia was estab­ knows, as a result of the good office of lished against the wishes of the Mr Robert Kennedy, the Attorney- people of Sabah, Sarawak and Singa­ General of the United States. President pore and that the Alliance Government Soekarno agreed to call halt to fighting, is responsible for this confrontation and we in turn agreed to stop fighting. and not Indonesia. He also blamed us But we regarded the ceasefire arrange­ for bringing this country, as he said, ments as unsatisfactory because Indo­ "to the brink of war". Now, Sir, it has nesia refused to withdraw their troops been many times stated in this House to their side of the border. We had two and fully explained not only to this meetings at Ministerial level in House but also to the country—and Bangkok to try to resolve this ceasefire this can be confirmed by the repre­ arrangement, but the meetings ended sentatives of the people of Sabah and in failure because Indonesia will not Sarawak and Singapore here in this agree to withdraw their troops from House—that Malaysia was established their side of the border. We, on our out of the free will of the people in part, cannot tolerate or condone the those territories. They had expressed presence of foreign troops in our by an overwhelming majority their territories. We have a right to exist as desire to achieve independence through an independent, sovereign, nation and Malaysia. As a result of that, we our integrity and sovereignty cannot agreed to establish Malaysia and to be a subject of negotiation. That is have them with us as partners in why, Sir, we have made our stand building a new and a bigger nation. clear that although we want peace and co-operation with our neighbours Now, Sir, on the subject of confron­ including Indonesia, we are not pre­ tation, everyone knows—or at least pared to sacrifice our honour and our everyone who has the loyalty of the integrity. We are prepared and are country at heart—that this confronta­ always willing to talk about peace and tion is caused by Soekarno, by to find ways and means of living in Indonesia, and yet the Honourable co-operation and in friendship with our Member for Batu blames the Alliance neighbours and with all countries. But Government for this confrontation. if we want to talk about peace, we must Sir, does he not know that there is now be able to talk as equals and aggression in our territories? Does he we cannot allow another country to not know that Indonesia has sent in talk with us from a position of strength their troops, regulars and irregulars, and dictate terms to us by having its into our territories? Does he not know troops in our territories. that the Indonesian troops have murdered our men, burned their houses Now, Sir, on the question of super­ and their villages? And yet, the vision of the ceasefire, it is wrong to Honourable Member for Batu blames say that the Secretary-General of the the Alliance Government for the United Nations refused to supervise present state of emergency with Indo­ the ceasefire arrangement. The three nesia. Now, Sir, what right has countries involved, the Philippines, Indonesia to send troops into some­ Indonesia and ourselves, agreed to ask body else's territories? Because of this, Thailand to supervise the ceasefire and the Socialist Front is furthering the Secretary-General of the United Soekarno's cause and is helping Nations agreed to take note of the Soekarno to achieve his intention and position. ambition of engulfing our country into On the question of withdrawal of all what he terms as "Greater Indonesia". foreign troops, both British and 535 22 MAY 1964 536

Indonesian, from our territories, as I majority and we here never say that have said, we have asked Indonesia the elections were undemocratic in to withdraw their troops from our Singapore. We believe in democracy territories because they have no right and we always accept, or must be to be in our territories. British and prepared to accept, the verdict of the Commonwealth troops are in the people expressed in truly democratic Borneo territories merely for the ways. defence of our territories under our Defence Treaty with the United Now, Sir, I come to the allegation Kingdom. Before confrontation and made by the Honourable Member for before Indonesia started its aggression Batu that I was chummy with Enche' against us there were no British troops Ibrahim bin Yaacob on the visit that in the Borneo territories. Any country, we made to Indonesia in December, Sir, has the right to make Defence 1955, and he produced a photograph treaty with other countries and has the which was taken in Enche' Ibrahim's right to ask for assistance for the house with me and the former Minister defence of its independence and its of Agriculture and Co-operatives, integrity. Enche' Abdul Aziz. It is true that when we were in Jakarta in December, On the fourth point, the question of 1955, Enche' Ibrahim called on the the release of all political detainees and Tunku and myself and it is true that as to the restoration of normal demo­ Enche' Ibrahim did invite me to his cratic life, in this country, as everyone house and it is also true that we took knows, every reasonable man knows, this photograph in Enche' Ibrahim's despite confrontation, there is normal house. Sir, I knew Enche' Ibrahim for democratic life. Indeed we have a very a long time before the war; he comes liberal Government, the Alliance from my own State, Pahang. At that Government is a very liberal Govern­ time in December, 1955, the Alliance ment. We have given full freedom to was fighting for our independence and all our opponents to criticise us so Enche' Ibrahim before the war was long as they do so within the law. also fighting for independence and This Parliament, some time back, when we met in 1955, he said he was passed the Internal Security Act and keen to support our fight for indepen­ the principle of this Act was endorsed dence. We had no quarrel with him by a vast majority of the people in this at that time and as I said, I knew him country in the last Election. We well and I went to his house to see the passed this Act in order to save son of a distant relative of mine who democracy from people who want to died in Indonesia just after the war destroy democracy by making use of and this man was living with Enche' it. As the Prime Minister of Singapore Ibrahim. Now, Sir, when we were said yesterday, if we release all fighting for independence, obviously political detainees, then there will be we welcome support from anyone who no need for President Soekarno to was willing to support us to achieve carry out aggression and confrontation. freedom for our country. However, Sir, Our democracy and our way of life later when we achieved independence, will be destroyed by agents of the Enche' Ibrahim, if he was a true enemies from within our borders. nationalist, or have the true interest of Now, Sir, on the fifth point, the this country at heart, would have come question of holding direct simultaneous back to Malaya to help us consolidate elections in Sabah, Sarawak and Singa­ our freedom and to help us build our pore, elections had been held in these nation. In fact he was asked by our territories according to democratic Minister for Information and Broad­ practice, but just because the Alliance casting, who was then our Ambassador Government won by a great majority to Indonesia, to come back to Malaya, in Sabah and Sarawak, there is no but he refused to do so and instead he ground to say that the elections were took up Indonesian citizenship. Since undemocratic. In Singapore, Sir, the then, Sir, we know that he has been P.A.P. won the State elections by a big instigating some people in this country 537 22 MAY 1964 538 to overthrow this Government, a Majesty's Speech, we desire to live in legally constituted Government, by peace with all countries, particularly violence and by force. We also know with our neighbours; but it must be that he is working hand in hand with based on respect for our independence the communists to overthrow and over­ and honour and our integrity. run this country. Therefore, Sir, such Now, Sir, leaving international affairs a man, whatever his previous back­ aside, I would like now to talk about ground might have been, must be development. Now, a number of regarded as an enemy of the people Honourable Members queried the and as an enemy of our country change of the name of Ministry of because he is working against the Rural Development to Ministry of interest of our country. I will regard National and Rural Development. This such a man, whoever he may be, even was done, Sir, merely to show clearly if he is my own blood brother, as an that the Alliance Government's policy enemy of the State. There is no con­ has always been that while we give fusion at all in this matter, Sir. We priority to development in the rural have ample proof and evidence to areas, we are also carrying out show that Enche' Ibrahim is now development in the towns and urban working against the interest of this areas and that we intend to give country and is in support of some added impetus to urban development outside power. Therefore, Sir, if the in matters of housing and such other Honourable Member for Batu and his things. Our Development Plan, as I colleagues choose to associate them­ have always explained to this House selves with Enche' Ibrahim, then we on many occasions, is national in know where they stand. (Applause) character, national in intent and in Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point scope. We carry out development in of clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir. I accordance with priorities, because it is have not stated that we choose to our intention, first and foremost, to associate; neither did I impute any­ give all our people of all races, thing. I showed the photograph and wherever they live, the basic amenities stated that I was willing to let this of life and to raise their standard of House and the country to judge. I did living so that they can live as decent, not impute anything. civilised human beings. This is the first task and that is what we have been Tun Haji Abdul Razak: I only doing for the last five years. said, Sir, if they choose to associate The success of our Plan was amply themselves. Sir, there is also no need proved by the overwhelming support for us here to talk about visits by given to the Alliance Government in Ministers and Councillors of this the last elections by the people in the Government to Jakarta and their rural areas. Therefore, Sir, it is meetings with Soekarno. Before con­ completely untrue to say that rural frontation, we had no quarrel with development had not benefited the President Soekarno. In fact, we Malays or the non-Malays. Rural had no quarrel with anybody except development has benefited everybody those who want to destroy us, like the both in the rural areas as well as in communists. Indeed, we wanted to live urban areas, because prosperity in in peace and in friendship with urban areas must depend on the Soekarno and with Indonesia just as prosperity of the people in the rural we want to live in peace with all other areas, and the majority of our people countries. It is only because President live in rural areas. If the people in Soekarno and his colleagues decided to rural areas have a better standard of have this confrontation against us and living and a higher income, it means to attack our country that we oppose that there is more money in the them because they have done wrong country; and when there is more to us. money, there is increased demand for Now, Sir, our stand in international goods and this in turn means better affairs is clear. As stated in His business for the people in the urban 539 22 MAY 1964 540 areas. That is why we have never administrative machinery, so that our divided our people into rural and administration can face up to the great urban. We have always carried out our task of not only meeting the con­ development policy in accordance with frontation militarily but also carrying the needs of the people in all areas. So, out our economic development with a our National Rural Development sense of urgency and dedication. Programme has benefited everyone both in the rural and the urban areas It is easy for some people to talk and has benefited the country as a that there should be equal oppor­ whole. The massive support that the tunities for all. But before we could people gave the Alliance Government have equal opportunities or equalities in the last elections is ample proof of for all our people, the conditions in the success of our Rural Development the various areas in our country must Programme. (Applause) It is our inten­ be changed and must be brought up to tion to carry out rural development in a level in which it will be possible for the Borneo territories with the same all our people to have equal oppor­ sense of urgency, with the same tunities. In the past, under colonial dedication and devotion to duty as we rule, the rural people were neglected. have done here. We, in the Central There were no means of communica­ Government, are determined to assist tions. There were no social amenities. the State Governments of Sabah and There were very few schools. So, the Sarawak in whatever way possible to rural people had very limited oppor­ enable the development programme of tunities of life, in particular, oppor­ these two territories to be implemented tunities for education. Therefore, all successfully. We are determined to this must be changed so that, as I said, show to the people of Sabah and our people of all races, wherever they Sarawak, who have joined us of their may be, will be able to have the basic own freewill, that Malaysia benefits amenities of life and also opportunities them and that independence to Malay­ for higher and better standard of living. sia means better and higher standard We, in the Alliance Government, of living and more amenities of life. have for the last nine years been saying It is only by this way can we prevent that the future of our country depends them from being infiltrated by com­ on our ability to bring our people of munists or influenced by Indonesian all races together and to weld them propaganda. As I have said recently into one united nation. But in order to in my visit to Sarawak, it is necessary do this, it is necessary to eliminate for us to fight this confrontation by imbalances and inequalities, so that Indonesia in all fields—military as well every citizen in this country, whatever as economic and social fields. There­ his racial origin may be, can feel that fore, our Development Programme in he has a proper place in our country. the Borneo territories must be carried As is stated in His Majesty's Speech, out with the same sense of urgency this building of one nationhood is a and dedication as we have done here challenge to everyone of us, every and as we are facing the confrontation. citizen of Malaysia. In order to meet I do appeal to the leaders in these two this challenge, we must approach the territories and to the people there of problem in a practical and objective all races, the Dayaks, the Ibans, the way. We must take the conditions of Kadazans, the Malays and the Chinese our people of various races as they to give to the Central and State exist today and correct the imbalances Governments their full and whole­ without stressing on the differences. hearted co-operation. We have to come to understand, we have to reach agreement, on certain If Malaysia is to succeed, then we basic principles, on certain delicate must show to our people of all races issues, such as religion, language and that we can provide them with a better education. The Alliance Government way of life, higher standard of living has reached an understanding on all and better amenities. To do this, we these vitally inflammable and delicate must be able to gear our whole issues. Our policy on these issues has 541 22 MAY 1964 542 been accepted by the great majority of ranchangan2 kemajuan tanah, jikalau the people in this country and, Kerajaan negeri berkehendakkan ran­ therefore, I say it will be dangerous changan2 kemajuan tanah yang di- and detrimental to the interests of our jalankan, mustahak-lah Kerajaan country, if we are now to change our negeri menyerahkan kuasa kapada policy and our approach on these Kerajaan Pusat bagi menjayakan basic and fundamental issues. We ranchangan2 tanah itu, kalau tidak, should, bearing in mind the principles tentu-lah Kerajaan Pusat tidak sanggup that we have agreed on the basic hendak menjalankan ranchangan2 issues, move forward to try and help tanah itu. our people of various races, of various Dalam masa lima tahun yang telah racial origins, to obtain better oppor­ lalu Kerajaan negeri Kelantan enggan tunities and better amenities of life. membuat bagini, enggan menurut We must not endeavour to upset the atoran yang telah di-jalankan dengan plans that we have achieved on these negeri2 yang lain. Bagitu juga, Tuan fundamental issues, and that is why in Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan our approach on these issues we must ranchangan2 pembangunan luar ban­ always be careful and we must always dar yang lain, Kerajaan Pusat sedia endeavour to bring out common hendak memberi kerjasama dan men­ grounds, grounds on which our people jalankan ranchangan2 daripada negeri do agree and do think in the same way. Kelantan, asalkan Kerajaan Kelantan It is only by doing this that it is boleh menerima atoran dan peratoran possible for us to eliminate differences yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan Pusat yang in course of time. It is my view, Mr telah di-persetujui oleh Kerajaan2 Speaker, Sir, by carefully approaching negeri2 yang lain untok menjayakan this issue in a calculated way that we ranchangan2 kemajuan di-negeri Kelan­ can achieve real unity among our tan itu. Jadi, terpulang-lah kapada people and build a united nation in Kerajaan negeri Kelantan yang ada this country which, we always say on sekarang ini untok menunjokkan kerja- this side of the House, is the foundation sama-nya kapada Kerajaan Pusat of our peace and our prosperity of our jikalau berkehendakkan ranchangan2 young nation. kemajuan yang di-minta oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kota Bharu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada dua Hilir pada pagi tadi. Kerajaan Pusat perkara yang saya suka hendak jawab tidak-lah hendak membezakan di- Yang Berhormat kapada Yang per- mana2 tempat dan daerah sunggoh tama, Yang Berhormat dari Kota pun Kelantan itu di-kuasa oleh Bharu Hilir ada beri pandangan Kerajaan PAS. Akan tetapi sebab meminta Kerajaan Persekutuan atau saya sa-bagai Menteri yang ber- pun Kerajaan Pusat memberi kerja- tanggong-jawab dalam hal kemajuan sama kapada Kerajaan negeri Kelantan 2 ini ada-lah tertanggong kapada untok menjayakan ranchangan kema- 2 Dewan ini bagi menjalankan ran­ juan, ranchangan pembangunan luar 2 bandar dalam negeri Kelantan. Tuan changan dengan terator dan sempurna dan kalau dapat kejayaan yang penoh Yang di-Pertua, saya telah kerap kali 2 sebutkan dalam Dewan ini dahulu mustahak-lah ranchangan ini di- jalankan menurut atoran dan per­ bahawa Kerajaan Pusat sedia hendak 2 memberi kerjasama, sedia hendak atoran yang biasa di-perbuat di-negeri menjalankan ranchangan2 kemajuan yang lain. Kita tidak dapat hendak menjalankan atoran yang istimewa di-negeri Kelantan yang telah keting- 2 galan sa-lama lima tahun itu; akan kapada mana negeri. tetapi sa-hingga hari ini Kerajaan Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-lah Pusat tidak dapat kerjasama yang sa-kira-nya dasar-nya atas perkara ini sa-wajar-nya daripada Kerajaan negeri Kerajaan Pusat sedia-lah hendak itu. Mustahak-lah Kerajaan negeri menjalankan ranchangan2 kemajuan Kelantan menurut atoran dan per- 2 di-negeri Kelantan jika dapat kerja­ atoran yang di-perbuat oleh negeri sama daripada Kerajaan negeri. lain terutama sa-kali dalam hal (Tepok). 543 22 MAY 1964 544 The Minister of Labour (Enche' would care to read on from paragraph V. Manickavasagam): Mr Speaker, 259, they would find this explanation. Sir, I would first like to reply to the To summarise again, what the Honourable Member for Ipoh, who is Government has in mind by this unfortunately not in this House. He dynamic approach is to introduce wanted to know what we are trying further protective legislation for the to do regarding the questions of old workers of this country, such as, to age pensions, unemployment insurance, expand the scope of the various labour etc., as, according to him, these things laws, to bring within their fold are not mentioned in His Majesty's categories of workers at present not Gracious Speech. May I refer the covered, increased application of the Honourable Member to paragraph Wages Council Ordinance to provide 262 on page 44 of the Special Appen­ for statutory minimum remuneration dix to His Majesty's Gracious Speech. and conditions of employment where For the benefit of this House, I would workers are not effectively organised, like to mention that the social security and to provide greater safety, health schemes envisaged cover old age, and welfare measures through the unemployment, injury, maternity, introduction of a Factory Act, to medical-care and sickness With regard bring about organisational changes to unemployment insurance, this within the Ministry of Labour to question was studied by the Special cope with the changing demands being Committee set up by the Government made on it, and to introduce new and the Government has considered legislation to provide for better that a contributory unemployment social security measures, better insurance scheme should be further standards of housing and so on. examined as to its feasibility. Further, while on the one hand positive action is being taken to Sir, now I would refer to the points increase employment opportunities, raised by the Honourable Member for the national apprenticeship scheme Pontian Selatan. He suggested that will be expanded to provide greater the Trade Unions Ordinance should facilities for both normal apprentice­ be reviewed with a view to excluding ship and accelerated training for political influences from trade unions. adult workers. In the field of industrial As the House is aware, we have relations, further action will be taken been fortunate in Malaya, unlike to strengthen and improve employer/ happenings in Singapore, that the employee relationships and the pro­ Malayan Trades Union Congress has cedures under our system of industrial reaffirmed time and again their policy relations. The basic work for such an to steer clear of political affiliations. approach to labour questions has I need not stress too much on the already been done and I hope to wisdom of such a policy. As long as introduce most of the legislative the trade union movement itself firmly measures I have mentioned during the believes in and adheres to this policy, next session of Parliament. Through I can state confidently that any the strengthening of the procedures of attempt by political parties to use industrial relations and employer/ trade unions as tools for their employee relationships, I am hopeful political ends would not meet with that much of the friction that has success. taken place, and has been referred to Sir, now turning to the speech of by the Honourable Members for Batu the Honourable Member for Batu, and and Bungsar, will be removed. also with some reference to the Honourable Member who spoke just More specifically, my Ministry is now—the Honourable Member for now considering the possibility of Bungsar—they asked me to explain introducing certain measures to the dynamic approach to labour remove some of the difficulties that questions mentioned in the Special have apparently arisen over the Appendix to His Majesty's Speech. If question of recognition of trade unions the Honourable Members concerned and termination of employment. Sir, 545 22 MAY 1964 546 all matters concerning labour and long—I would like to deal seriatim labour legislation are normally dis­ with the points raised by those cussed at the National Joint Labour Honourable Members who have taken Advisory Council and I shall be part in this debate. guided by the advice of the employers The Honourable Member for Ipoh, and workers in that Council. who is not present here this evening, Sir, the Honourable Member for has, by implication, criticised the Batu also said that the Government Government for its selection of my only exhorts the workers to place Honourable friend, the Member for national interests first just before or Sepang, as the Assistant Minister of during the strikes. Nothing can be Education, principally, as far as I can farther from the truth. The voluntary gather, on the ground that he speaks system of industrial relations that we neither Malay nor English fluently. I have in this country assumes primarily think the Assistant Minister of Educa­ that both the employers and the tion's knowledge of Malay is better workers will conduct their mutual than it is perhaps realised by relationship in such a way that while the Honourable Member for Ipoh. their own interests are protected, the (Applause) We concede, however, that national interests or the public interests he does not speak English with an will not be prejudiced. I have not Oxford accent. This stricture, however, hesitated to stress this to both coming from the Honourable Member employers and workers. Proof of this for Ipoh sounds extremely strange. is available in the very speeches that For years he has been telling us that I and my colleague, the former he is the champion of the Chinese Minister of Labour, have made and language and culture in this country. in the records of the meetings we He has taken us to task because he have had and the long discussions says that we have not given sufficient that I have had with both workers' weight to the importance of the Chinese and employers' organisations. Thank language in our educational system, you, Sir. and yet when we appoint a product of Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, the very system whose cause he has saya suka hendak menerangkan appeared to espouse and champion sadikit, takut tersalah faham, ia-itu all these years, he says we should not sa-belum Menteri2 menjawab tadi, have done it. It may be that the saya memberi satu jam lagi kapada Honourable Member when making Ahli2 yang lain. these remarks, did not realise their implications. If so, it shows that his Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bungsar apparent espousal of the cause of telah mengambil masa lebeh kurang Chinese education in this country was sa-tengah jam lama-nya dan ada merely a sham. It shows that deep sa-tengah jam lagi di-beri peluang 2 down in his heart, he, in fact, has a kapada Ahli yang lain. pretty low opinion of the products of Saya memberi peluang kapada the Chinese schools. It is revealing, Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana however, to learn the truth, the real Menteri tadi berchakap dahulu kerana truth, and to learn of his real feelings dia minta kebenaran saya yang dia towards Chinese education. hendak berchakap daihulu, kerana ada pekerjaan yang mustahak. Bagitu juga The Honourable Member for Batu dengan Menteri Buroh yang baharu blames the alleged shortcomings of the medical and health services, particularly berchakap sa-kejap tadi; dia minta Government hospitals, on the Treasury. kebenaran hendak berchakap sadikit, He paints a lurid picture of grave kerana dia ada pekerjaan dia di-situ. shortages of essential facilities and Jadi, ada peluang lagi saya beri sa- 2 drugs, I must say that this is the first lama sa-tengah jam kapada Ahli yang time I have heard of these so-called lain. charges. I can assure him, however, that Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, though the Treasury does believe in Sir, if I may—I would not take very economy, it does believe that we should 547 22 MAY 1964 548 get full value for money spent, we have The Honourable Mr Lee Kuan Yew, never been guilty of starving essential in his remarks on taxation and on the services either of essential facilities or allocation of scarce resources as of essential equipment. That is simply between one service and another, has not true. exhorted us "to view the world not from the standpoint of the rubber Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Mr estate owner, or shareholders and stock­ Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarification. holders of companies, but to view it I believe the former Honourable Mem­ also' from the point of view of the ber for Seberang Selatan did bring out rubber tappers and the workers in the this question of shortage of drugs and companies that produce the rubber for materials in hospitals. But he was the stockholders and the shareholders". fobbed off by the then Minister of I have quoted his exact words. He is Health who said, "There is no such singing the familiar theme which he shortage." I challenge the present used to such deadly effect (on himself!) Minister of Health that, if he cares to during the recent election campaign. I walk with me to the various hospitals can appreciate that for political reasons in this country and if he cares to talk he must pose as a champion of the poor, with me and with the various people a champion of the toiling masses. To who work in the hospitals, they will me, however, it is rather strange that tell him that the surgeons have to look whenever this ardent nationalist finds for the cat guts in the theatre before that we cannot accept his point of view, they can operate. That is the truth. he runs to the British High Commis­ Enche Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, sioner in Kuala Lumpur for assistance Sir, I gave way to the Honourable against us, in the same way that a Member, though I need not do so under child runs to his mother for help when the Standing Orders, in order to give he is unable to fend for himself against him a chance to air his views further. his playmates. It is significant that Mr I have no' doubt that his colleague, the Lee has never made a single construc­ former Member for Seberang Selatan, tive suggestion as to how we should go did make those charges, but he and the about solving our admittedly difficult rest of the House are aware that the financial and economic problems. All charges of the Socialist Front are more he does is to mouth pious platitudes often based on fiction rather than on and vague generalisations. We also fact. However, I have no doubt that my want to improve the lot of the working Honourable colleague, the Minister of man, we also want to improve the lot Health, will reply and deal with him of the worker, we also want to narrow adequately. the gap between the "haves" and the "have-nots". All this we accept, and we Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like now to can also assure Mr. Lee that we are no deal with the strictures made by an less concerned than he about the need Honourable Member from Singapore. to level up instead of levelling down I am aware that under the Standing (as advocated by the Socialist Front), Orders we are not supposed to refer to so that those who toil, those who Honourable Members by name, but as sweat, will get a fair share of the fruits the position of Honourable Members in of their labour. No sensible person can Singapore is rather anomalous at the quarrel with this view, but the question moment, at least technically, I hope is "How", and Mr Lee has yet to en­ you will allow me to refer to Honour­ lighten us on how he himself would set able Members from Singapore by name. about this problem. He does not even Mr Speaker denotes assent. give general principles as guide lines for us to follow. All he does is to Enche' Tan Siew Sin: In any case, repeat parrot-like pious hopes which this particular Honourable Member can be stated with equal eloquence by cannot be referred to as the Honourable any intelligent schoolboy. Member for Singapore because he neither represents it technically nor in Datin Fatimah binti Haji Abdul fact. Majid (Johor Bahru Timor): Tuan 549 22 MAY 1964 550 Yang di-Pertua, saya mengambil ke- kerana, sa-belum kami keluar berkem- sempatan bangun di-sini menguchap- pen kami telah di-panggil berunding kan sa-tinggi2 tahniah di-atas Titah semua wakil2 parti yang bertanding Uchapan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri di-dalam pilehan raya itu oleh pehak Paduka Baginda bagi membuka Persi- yang berkuasa Polis juga pegawai2 yang dangan Dewan Ra'ayat Penggal Yang berkenaan dengan Pilehan Raya, demi- Pertama bagi Parlimen Malaysia yang kian juga dalam soal lain hingga mem- kedua, dan juga saya menyokong cha- buat pondok2 di-tepi jalan itu pun kami dangan daripada rakan kami supaya telah di-minta membuat dengan per- Titah Uchapan itu di-bahathkan. Dan setujuan bersama di-antara2 parti yang sa-panjang perbahathan yang telah saya bertanding. Kami daripada Parti Per­ dengar selama dua hari yang lalu ikatan tidak pernah mendapat keisti- hingga hari ini ramai di-antara Ahli2 mewaan dalam apa2 juga tugas pilehan Yang Berhormat telah berchakap ber- raya itu kerana semua parti2 telah di- kenaan dengan pilehan raya dan demo­ beri layanan yang sama dan sa-rupa. kerasi. Dari itu saya tidak-lah hendak Ada kala-nya kami berasa hampir2 mengulas hal itu dengan panjang lebar, hilang sabar, kerana memandangkan sa-kadarkan ada sadikit kemushkilan bahawa kami ada-lah daripada parti saya terhadap kechaman yang berat yang memerentah, tetapi kemarahan2 mengutok demokerasi yang datang-nya itu tiba2 hilang dengan sendiri-nya apa- daripada pehak2 Pembangkang di- bila kami teringat pada dasar2 demo­ dalam Majlis yang mulia ini, kerana kerasi yang di-amalkan oleh Kerajaan yang sa-benar-nya demokerasi di-negeri Perikatan, tetapi bagai pehak parti kita telah di-bela dengan baik serta lawan kami di-sana ia-itu Barisan hidup subor dan tegak di-atas dasar2 Socialis dan Parti PAS telah menggu- yang di-perjuangkan oleh Parti Per­ nakan demokerasi itu sewenang2 dan ikatan, bahkan bertambah gilang-gemi- dengan sa-suka hati mereka hingga lang chahaya-nya menyinari 'alam melanggar batasan dan peratoran yang Malaysia ini. Sebab pun saya katakan di-tetapkan oleh Undang2 Pilehan Raya, bagitu kerana hanya segelintar ra'ayat mereka telah mendahului daripada sahaja yang sengaja menjadikan demo- Kerajaan membuat chontoh2 kertas karesi itu alat perbahathan mereka undi atau pun ballot paper yang ber- untok mendatangkan berbagai2 tudohan warna puteh bagi Dewan Ra'ayat dan dan mereka-lah sa-benar2-nya telah me- warna kuning bagi Dewan Negeri serta nyonteng arang dan menghitamkan chukup lengkap dengan tanda simbol chorak demokerasi itu serta menyalah- parti2 yang bertanding, ia-itu Kapal gunakan demokerasi yang tulin itu Layar, Kepala Lembu dan Bulan Bin- untok kesempatan mereka mengeluar- tang, yang mana Barisan Socialis telah kan chachian yang mereka gunakan menunjokkan pangkah yang terang ka­ dengan sa-puas2 hati-nya terhadap pada pada simbol-nya, manakala Parti PAS Parti Perikatan hingga menyentoh soal pula telah menunjokkan pangkah yang peribadi pun mereka tidak kira asalkan terang kapada simbol-nya dan telah mereka boleh gunakan demokerasi di-beri kapada pengundi2 sa-belum hari menjadi alat untok mendapat keme- membuang undi. Ini ada-lah sa-baha- nangan. Tetapi shukor-lah kemenangan gian daripada bukti2 yang dapat saya Perikatan ada-lah menjadi jawapan katakan di-sini bahawa demokerasi yang tepat kapada sa-siapa juga yang telah di-jadikan alat oleh sa-tengah telah mempermainkan demokerasi bagi daripada parti2 lawan Perikatan di- faedah kepentingan mereka sendiri. Johor Baharu sana, dan sekarang saya pulangkan kapada Majlis yang mulia Terlanjor berchakap berkenaan de­ ini menimbangkan ada-kah benar2 ngan demokerasi ini saya juga mem- demokerasi tidak di-hormati oleh Kera­ bayangkan bagaimana demokerasi yang jaan yang menjalankan pemerentahan di-sanjong tinggi serta di-beri penghor- negeri ini. matan kapada ra'ayat yang menghor- mati-nya. Kami di-Johor Baharu telah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari­ menjalankan tugas2 pilehan raya ada- pada berchakap mengenai dengan pile­ lah betul2 menurut lunas2 demokerasi, han raya dan demokerasi di-antara 551 22 MAY 1964 552 Titah Uchapan Seri Paduka Baginda kan oleh ra'ayat yang telah memberi yang sangat menarek hati saya ia-lah mandat kapada Kerajaan Perikatan berkenaan dengan ranchangan Kera- meneruskan tugas membena ke- jaan hendak memberi peluang bekerja bahagiaan dan kema'amoran, juga kapada orang yang tidak ada peker- mempertahankan kemerdekaan dan jaan, kerana sa-bagaimana yang kita kedaulatan mereka ada-lah bersedia semua tahu bilangan-nya dari sa-tahun menyambut Titah Baginda, juga sen- ka-satahun ada-lah bertambah ramai, tiasa berdiri tegoh di-belakang Kera­ sedang mereka ini sa-bahagian besar- jaan di-samping bersedia memberi sa- nya tidak mempunyai kepandaian yang penoh2 sokongan hak dengan darah di-kehendaki oleh majikan. Oleh yang dan jiwa sa-kira-nya keadaan telah demikian mudah2an dengan ada-nya memaksa minta pengorbanan dari pandangan yang berat daripada pehak mereka. Kerajaan terhadap membaiki nasib mereka bererti-lah pembelaan sa-wajar- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam nya telah di-laksanakan demi kepen- Titah Uchapan Baginda juga mengenai tingan ra'ayat seluroh-nya, sebab kalau dengan pertahanan dan keselamatan dahulu-nya mereka telah putus harapan Kerajaan terus menjalankan tindakan untok hidup mempunyai pekerjaan, terhadap kominis mengancham sem- tetapi pada masa sekarang mereka padan negara kita. Kita harus-lah boleh-lah menaroh harapan chemerlang memberikan perhatian yang berat dengan ada-nya ranchangan2 Kerajaan kapada pehak pertahanan dan ke­ sa-bagaimana yang di-sebutkan di- selamatan, kerana di-dalam masa dalam Titah Baginda itu. Dan dengan aman apatah lagi dharurat tugas kerana itu juga sudah sa-patut-nya-lah mereka-lah yang paling penting untok bagi kita mengalu2kan Titah Seri mengawal ketenteraman negara, maka Paduka Baginda serta menguchapkan dengan tanggong-jawab mereka yang sa-tinggi2 terima kaseh kapada-nya, ke­ sa-bagitu berat sa-bagai alat negara rana sikap 'adil dan saksama Baginda yang nyawa-nya terletak di-hujong mengambil berat tentang kebahgiaan senjata, maka sa-bagai kita ada-lah perlu memberi timbangan bagai dan kesempurnaan hidup ra'ayat-nya. 2 Di-samping itu juga saya berharap ka­ kemudahan hidup mereka ia-itu pada pehak Kerajaan sa-moga dengan sa-lain daripada sara hidup-nya yang terlaksana-nya tugas Titah Baginda di- sa-suai, maka tempat tinggal-nya dalam bidang pelajaran dan latehan juga patut di-beri layanan yang sem- supaya ra'ayat terlibat dengan ke- purna. Di-sini saya tidak-lah bertu- 2 juan mengatakan Kerajaan tidak me- hendak Titah Baginda itu akan se- 2 gera merasai pembelaan yang se- ngadakan rumah atau barek yang baik untok mereka. Apa yang saya dia dan di-selenggarakan oleh Kera­ 2 jaan bagi faedah mereka sakalian. maksudkan ia-lah bilek atau pun barek yang ada itu sangat kechil dan tidak selesa atau pun tidak menchukupi Sa-lain daripada itu, saya suka juga besar-nya untok satu2 keluarga. Saya menarek perhatian tentang Titah suka memberi pandangan di-dalam Baginda mengenai anchaman yang di- perkara ini sa-moga mendapat per­ hadapi oleh negeri kita. Sa-sunggoh- hatian daripada Menteri Yang Berhor- nya di-dalam perkara ini saya atas mat. Sa-bagaimana yang saya tahu nama warga-negara Malaysia meng­ 2 2 kesulitan yang di-hadapi oleh ahli uchapkan sa-tinggi tahniah kapada polis biasa yang berjawatan rendah Kerajaan yang telah membuktikan tentang tempat tinggal mereka, kerana ketegasan yang penoh bertanggong- bilek2 yang di-untokkan bagi mereka jawab mempertahankan tanah ayer kita itu hanya-lah lebeh kurang 10 kaki sa-bagai sa-buah negara yang merdeka persegi sahaja, sedang kalau di-pukul dan berdaulat. Maka oleh kerana itu 2 2 rata pada tiap satu keluarga itu di-samping mengalu kan sa-tiap lang- mereka ada mempunyai bilangan anak kah yang di-ambil oleh Kerajaan ka-atas daripada 5 orang. menentang sa-barang anasir2 yang mengancham negara kita, saya juga Sa-kurang2-nya elok-lah kita memberi menyampaikan hasrat yang di-amanah- mereka itu bilek yang besar atau pun 553 22 MAY 1964 554 dua bilek bagi tiap2 sa-orang supaya kawasan tempat2 yang banyak pen- berpadanan dengan tenaga yang dudok2 yang terdiri daripada orang2 mereka churahkan berkawal siang atau Melayu. Di-sini saya bayangkan pun malam apabila mereka berada di- umpama di-dalam Singapura manakala rumah masing2 maka dapat-lah mereka kita masok di-Jalan Ubi, di-Jalan dudok dengan rehat tidak saperti Bayam, di-Jalan Tebu dan di-Jalan keadaan yang ada pada hari ini ia-itu Marekan ini, 80 peratus terdiri hanya dapat tidor di-satu tempat daripada orang2 Melayu. Tetapi ruangan tetamu sahaja. Jadi manakala sangat mendukachitakan, nasib pen- keluarga mereka yang lebeh daripada dudok2 di-sana daripada dahulu enam tujoh orang dan yang ada sampai hingga sekarang tidak dapat pembelaan 12 orang mereka macham ikan sadin satu pun. Manakala jalan2 raya maseh berlimpah2 dan bertindeh2. Ini sangat- lagi jalan2 merah dan berlubang2 lekok- lah patut di-pertimbangkan supaya lekek, manakala kereta berjalan di- ra'ayat di-berikan layanan kapada atas jalan raya ini macham berjalan mereka agak sesuai dengan perkhid- di-atas gelombang atau pun berumba matan sa-bagai perajurit tanah ayer dan sampah pula penoh bertimbun2 yang merdeka dan berdaulat. Tetapi di-tepi jalan dan parit penoh dengan apa yang saya saksikan pada hari ini ayer longkang danau yang berbau keadaan tempat tinggal mereka sangat- tidak bergerak ka-mana2. Manakala lah menyedehkan ia-itu umpama-nya hari hujan maka longkang2 yang ber­ saya mithalkan di-Johor Bahru sana, bau ini telah masok dekat rumah2 sa-tengah daripada sa-tengah-nya orang yang ada berdekatan di-situ. tinggal di-dalam barek yang terletak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kami pernah di-tengah bandar ia-itu di-antara Jalan 2 Campbell dengan Jalan Ah Fook. mendengar suara yang melaung untok Tetapi dukachita apabila hari hujan membawa angin perubahan kemajuan lebat maka kebanjiran-lah mereka dalam Malaysia. Saya rasa ta' usah-lah semua kerana ayer bah kira2 satu kaki mereka bersusah payah hendak mem­ tinggi-nya masok ka-dalam bilek2 bawa chadangan mengubah suasana masharakat negeri kita, ubahkan sa­ mereka yang sudah sedia sempit dengan 2 2 anak2 mereka juga penoh dengan haja-lah keadaan parit dan longkang barang2 rumah tangga. di-sepanjang jalan di-Kampong Melayu di-Singapura itu pun memadai sa- Mr Speaker: Nampak-nya panjang bagai tanggong-jawab-nya (Tepok). sangat—sudah lebeh 10 minit Kalau-lah untok menjamin kebersehan rengkaskan sahaja-lah. Kampong Melayu tidak dapat di- sempurnakan, bagaimana-kah chara- Datin Fatimah binti Haji Abdul nya Kerajaan Singapura boleh mem- Majid: Dengan kerana itu, saya ber- berikan jaminan mempertinggikan seru-lah kapada pehak Kerajaan supaya taraf hidup kalau-lah rumah2 pangsa melebehkan timbang rasa atas keadaan yang di-peruntokkan; saya tahu tidak mereka itu ketika membena bilek berapa kerat daripada orang Melayu baharu di-masa yang akan datang. yang mampu menyewa-nya dan sesuai Atau pun buat sementara waktu pada 2 untok di-dudoki-nya. Apa yang saya masa sekarang benarkan-lah ahli polis nampak akibat yang akan di-terima itu mendudoki dua bilek pada satu oleh orang Melayu di-sana ia-lah rumah supaya lega sadikit keadaan 2 kerana tidak sa-chara langsong mereka mereka itu tinggal pada satu keluarga. akan terusir daripada tempat asal-nya. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada uchapan Kalau dahulu mereka tinggal ber- saya yang akhir saya ada-lah tinggal kumpul di-satu tempat tidak berapa di-negeri Johor ia-itu Johor Bharu ada- lama lagi mereka akan bertempiaran lah berdekatan sangat dengan negeri berpechah belah membawa nasib Singapura. Jadi Singapura ada-lah mereka masing2. Oleh yang demikian menjadi satu perhatian kapada saya dengan perpechahan ini-lah kelak juga. Saya boleh memberi gambaran melemahkan suara orang Melayu di- yang terang sa-kali bagi membuktikan Singapura. Kerajaan Singapura boleh kata2 saya ini. Di-negeri Singapura ada menda'awa bahawa layanan2 istimewa 555 22 MAY 1964 556 telah di-berikan kapada orang Melayu mereka itu tidak mahu menyesali tetapi orang Melayu sendiri yang telah kemudian sila-lah bertindak dari menolak-nya. Ini memang satu alasan sekarang dan beri-lah pembelaan yang yang bijak tetapi kita ada-lah men- sa-wajar-nya kapada saudara2 kami jawab-nya untok melepaskan batok di- orang Melayu di-Singapura sana. tangga sahaja. Sekian-lah, terima kaseh. Saya tidak-lah hendak berchakap The Minister of Transport (Dato' demikian untok membangkitkan Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Mr semangat perkauman hanya meminta Speaker, Sir, I would like to reply to pembelaan kerana dengan Persekutuan the Honourable Member for Ipoh . . . Tanah Melayu tidak memberikan layanan berbedza2 kapada ra'ayat yang Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Tuan berbilang bangsa. Hanya di-Singapura Yang di-Pertua, boleh-kah saya ber­ sahaja orang2 Melayu menjadi mangsa chakap sadikit? angin perubahan untok kemajuan orang Dato' Haji Sardon: The time is lain tetapi kehanchoran dan kehapusan limited. hak orang Melayu di-sana. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kebetulan pula cherita di- Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Dua minit dalam akhbar Berita Harian semalam sahaja. 2 mengatakan, di-Singapura kira 600 Dato' Haji Sardon: I have not come orang Kampong Alexander yang mana to that point yet. 200 orang daripada-nya ia-lah orang Melayu telah di-perentahkan berpindah Mr Speaker: Order, order! daripada tanah tempat tinggal mereka. Dato' Haji Sardon: Sorry, Sir. Bagitu juga sadikit masa yang lalu saya juga terbacha di-dalam akhbar Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like first mengatakan lebeh seribu orang Melayu to reply to the Honourable Member pendudok2 Kampong Ambar juga telah for Ipoh, who unfortunately is not here. di-kenakan perentah pindah daripada He asked me to reply on a matter of tempat kediaman masing2. Dan orang2 policy as to the issue of licences giving ini khabar-nya telah di-suroh menchari preference to the Malays. Now, he kawasan lain pula untok di-jadikan mentioned in this House of the tempat kediaman-nya. Tuan Yang di- privilege given to the Malays by my Pertua, sa-sunggoh-nya kalau-lah benar Ministry in the issue of road transport cherita2 kejadian saperti ini, saya licences, in particular licences for taxi ingin tahu apa-kah langkah2 di-ambil cabs and hire cars. He expressed the oleh Menteri Kebajikan Masharakat hope that my Ministry would revise di-Singapura untok menolong orang the practice of establishing target Melayu yang menjadi mangsa per- figures, based upon population ratios. pindahan itu. Sebab saya perehaya As the Honourable Member may be orang ini bukan semua terdiri daripada aware—as he himself is a lawyer— kaum buroh sahaja bahkan juga di- Section 118 of the Road Transport antara-nya bangsa2 lain yang terdiri Ordinance, which is in line with Article daripada gulongan orang2 miskin. 153 of the Constitution, provides that Dengan kerana itu sama ada sudah preference should first be given to the atau pun belum tindakan di-ambil Malays for such licences until the kerana kebajikan mereka, saya merayu- number of such licences given to the lah kapada pehak yang berkuasa di- Malays is satisfactory. The decision as Singapura tolong-lah ambil perhatian to whether or not this position is yang berat terhadap nasib mereka satisfactory is based upon the ratio of khas-nya orang Melayu di-sana yang Malay to non-Malay population. I kita tahu pada masa sekarang suara- consider that this basis is fair and nya sayup2 ketinggalan jauh di- reasonable. Now, I would like to quote. 2 belakang ia-itu suara yang berirama According to the latest census, in the sedeh ia-itu menuntut pembelaan. whole of the Federation of Malaya, Dengan ini saya juga nasehatkan Malays come to about 49.8 per cent. kapada parti P.A.P. sa-kira-nya Up-to-date the Malay ratio has come 557 22 MAY 1964 558 up to 48.08 and in the number of hire Tuan Syed Ja'afar bin Hasan Albar: cars and taxi licences issued, out of He is one of them. 4,149 in all, the Malays up to now have been given only 1,995, or 48.08 per Dato' Haji Sardon: Now, he put in cent—not even half. Now, the Honour­ another reason. To say that because able Member for Ipoh is a bit con­ of the establishment of the targets we cerned with his State, because he is in have caused the number of illegal taxis Perak—unfortunately he is not here, to increase, is definitely incorrect. I but I think he will see the report; in suggest to my Honourable friend the Perak the Malay quota is only 39.7 per Member for Ipoh—and not for Batu— cent and that target has been achieved that the presence of illegal taxis is the and has been gazetted on the 4th of result of more tangible reasons—it is March, 1959. But he is always worried economic. In operating a diesel-engine that although the non-Malays can taxi a licencee would require to pay apply whenever there is any vacancy licence and insurance fees amounting for the issue of new permits for taxis, to something like $104 a month for a the ultimate result was that it was diesel-engine of between 16 to 20 H.P. given to a Malay. But we have to In the case of a private vehicle, an count on points and I did explain to illegal taxi owner pays only slightly him, not only once but many times in over $60 a month. There is already this House, that the points counted a difference of $44 a month. In addition will be that whoever applies, he must to this, the private vehicle is not subject state that he stays at the place where to restrictions on the maximum number the taxi is to be based—that is the of passengers it can carry. He is also first point. The second point is that he not subject to regular inspection by the must be able to drive the taxi. The Road Transport Department and does third point is, has he served in any of not therefore have to maintain his the forces for the defence of the vehicle to a required standard. This country? That is, whether he had been accordingly reduces his maintenance a member of the Services. And the costs. He is consequently able to fourth point is that, has he got the charge the public lower rates than money to purchase and not to deal in would be economical for licensed taxis an "Ali Baba" trick—name lending. to follow. But I would like to advise Many of the Malay applicants have members of the public not to travel in been ex-servicemen and we have all the "pirate" taxis or illegal taxis agreed that they should be given a because they are not insured and if chance to earn a livelihood after the they were to be injured travelling in Emergency ended in Malaya; therefore, that taxi, or broke their heads or broke the Malay applicants not because they their arms, they have no chance to get are Malays were considered and given any compensation. The Government on points. This is the grouse. But I has always taken action to check illegal would like to say to all the Honour­ taxi operators, but unfortunately this able Members of the Opposition who is not easy without the co-operation of want to wipe out the privileges of the the public. My Ministry will continue Malays, which is guaranteed in the to ensure that these illegal operators Constitution, get your party to win, are brought to book whenever sufficient get a two-thirds majority, then amend evidence is available. In Perak alone, the Constitution (Applause). we have seized eight vehicles in the first four months of this year, of which Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Tuan Yang five have been confiscated and the di-Pertua, saya suka hendak . . . balance of three are waiting for trial. I am sure that if my learned friend Dato' Haji Sardon: No, no, I am from Ipoh had been here, probably he not pointing at him—sorry (Laughter) would be more convinced to hear me but I am addressing the Members of speaking rather than reading from the the Opposition who are trying to get report or reading from the newspaper rid of the privileges of the Malays. reports. This is the whole trouble with 559 22 MAY 1964 560 the Opposition side. When they expect saya menchabar Aidit yang hendak us to reply, they never show up. hanchorkan Malaysia, dan chabaran itu saya telah terima jawapan, Sardon Now, I would like to reply to the mari datang di-Ibu Kota Jakarta di- Honourable Member for Batu, and Ibu Pejabat Kominis, ini menyatakan now I will speak in Malay. yang Aidit bachul, mahu saya pergi di-Headquarters mahu di-keriok ramai2, Kapada Yang Berhormat dari Batu mahu hentam saya satu orang, ini kerana dia mahir dalam bahasa Melayu tidak kena gaya, ini-lah chara-nya dan dia juga tidak bersetuju sa-orang kominis mahu berjuang. daripada Menteri Muda konon-nya berchakap dalam satu Majlis yang Kedua-nya ada Menteri nama anak- mana ia hadhir, orang semua chakap nya Soekarno, konon-nya sudah di- Melayu, Menteri Muda itu chakap tukar, dia tidak tahukan siapa Menteri Inggeris, kalau bagitu ia mahir itu? Maka, biar saya terangkan, bahasa Melayu dan biar-lah saya Menteri itu, ini dia Menteri-nya, chakap Melayu terus. Sa-belum ia Sardon (Tepok). Betul anak saya hendak bangun hendak minta ma'af nama-nya Mohamed Soekarno, nama bagitu bagini tunggu-lah dahulu dengar tidak menjadi soal pokok, daripada saya berchakap. Pehak pembangkang, dahulu nama anak saya yang No. 1 pertama sa-kali pehak Socialist Front, Mohamed Rizal, the hero of the selalu hentam keromo, erti-nya gasak Malay of the Philippines maka sahaja. Saya tidak ada di-sini, tetapi apabila sudah dapat tahu keadaan saya dapat tahu yang ia telah mengata- konfrantasi, saya tidak mahu nama kan The Minister of Transport, anak saya menjadi soal pokok Menteri Pengangkutan Dato' Sardon di-Tanah Melayu, dan saya menjadi chabar sama President Soekarno. Saya bapa Soekarno tidak boleh control tidak pernah chabar President Soe­ sama Soekarno, maka saya pun karno, saya berasa malu, President mengambil keputusan tukar nama anak Soekarno umor-nya sudah 63 tahun saya, tukar senang sahaja, potong sekarang, saya sa-bagai Ketua Pemuda Soekarno, Mohamed sahaja nama UMNO Malaya tidak patut menchabar engkau. (Ketawa). Habis kesah, itu orang yang tua sa-macham itu. Sa- betul. Alhamdulillah, kita minta kurang2-nya pun saya hormati umor- kapada Allah pada malam tadi kita nya, tetapi sa-benar-nya ini tudohan dengar President Soekarno sudah yang tidak betul, kalau tidak perchaya setuju mahu tarek balek ashkar2-nya, nanti barangkali Yang Berhormat itu dan kita harap lima point yang Ahli kalau tidak betul ia sa-bagai sa-orang Yang Berhormat dari Batu itu minta gentleman dan sa-bagai sa-orang yang tidak payah-lah di-chadangkan, sudah betul2 faham dan barangkali akan kami chuba lama sudah, baharu ini berehakap, dan saya akan benarkan Soekarno setuju, kita harap nanti ia ia berehakap. Yang sa-benar-nya yang setuju berunding, boleh damai perkara saya chabar ia-lah Aidit, Ketua Partai ini kalau Indonesia mahu damai, tetapi Kominis Indonesia yang menjadikan kalau Indonesia dia mahu hanchorkan kita huruhara, yang menjadikan ini Malaysia bagaimana juga Kepala Parti konfrantasi itu yang kita semua Socialist Front atau Kepala Lembu sekarang ini menghadapi segala per- mahu hanchorkan Malaysia, sila sa- siapan, segala pengorbanan meng­ belum kami hanchor, biar kami hadapi siapa juga yang hendak mempertahankan negara kami, biar melanggar negara kita, kita akan hanchor jadi debu, ini ikrar kami leborkan-nya (Ketawa). Kita bukan pemuda2 Malaysia, tetapi kalau mahu meleborkan dia, tetapi mahu pemuda Socialist Front atau pun mempertahankan tanah ayer, kemer- pemuda2 Barisan Sosialis tidak berani dekaan dan kehormatan negara dan tidak mahu mempertahankan kita (Tepok). Maka saya harap Yang Malaysia, lagi baik mereka tidak ada Berhormat wakil dari Batu akan dalam Malaysia ini, kerana mahu membetulkan yang saya tidak ada tidak mahu mereka akan remok dan menchabar President Soekarno. Tetapi hanchor (Tepok), tetapi kami sanggup 561 22 MAY 1964 562 untok mempertahankan tanah ayer confrontasi ini. Ini ada-lah tidak betul; kami, chukup-lah buat panduan. Oh! saya belum habis lagi. belum habis, ada lagi satu. Saya kalau ta' jawab, sangat malu, kerana apa, Maphilindo juga di-sebutkan. Per­ nama orang yang tidak ada di-dalam dana Menteri Singapura dan juga Rumah yang berhormat ini di-sebut. Menteri Pengangkutan, Sardon Jubir, juga menyokong Maphilindo. Saya suka Di-dalam bulan June, rombongan terangkan kapada Yang Berhormat kaum wanita dari Malaya telah pergi wakil dari Batu, sa-bagai sa-orang nationalist, dan saya perchaya beliau ka-Indonesia. Rombongan itu di-ketuai 2 oleh Yang Berhormat Senator Aishah kalau sa-benar -nya sa-orang natio­ Ghani, kemudian-nya pula Datin nalist, tentu bersetuju dengan saya dan Saadiah, itu ta' apa-lah, tetapi dia kata semua orang yang ada dalam Rumah isteri Menteri Pengangkutan pula di- yang berhormat ini yang kita punya dasar, atau policy Kerajaan Perikatan, tambah-nya lagi, yang ketiga Yang 2 2 Berhormat Che' Som. Konon-nya Yang mahu berbaik dengan jiran semua sa- Berhormat Che' sa- kali yang ada di-dalam lengkongan bagai Ketua Rombongan itu mengata- Tenggara Asia ini, Malay Archipelago. kan, kami hendak minta chari panduan Orang Philipina ada sa-banyak daripada kaum2 ibu di-Indonesia. Ini 30,000,000; orang Indonesia ada sa- menunjokkan kita semua sa-kali banyak 100,000,000; orang Malaysia 2 ada sa-banyak 10,000,000. Ada-kah simpati, atau kita menyokong kaum 2 ibu di-Indonesia, bahkan tidak. Tim- kita di-suroh bergadoh tetapi oleh kerana Maphilindo ini di-bangkang balan Perdana Menteri, sa-sudah 2 kembali dari Manila dan telah be- oleh komunis sejak dari mula sa- runding dengan Menteri Luar Indone­ kali apabila keluar chadangan sia, Dr Subandrio, dan isteri Dr Maphilindo ini, maka Socialist Front Subandrio kenal baik dengan Tuan juga membangkang Maphilindo. Maka Abdul Razak, Timbalan Perdana apabila Aidit, Ketua Parti Komunis Menteri, dan meminta supaya tiga Indonesia, sampai di-Hong Kong, orang kaum ibu dari Tanah Melayu ini lepas ia meminta tolong ka-Moscow, di-hantar supaya dapat perhubongan minta tolong ka-Peking, ia bilang baik, kerana pada waktu itu mahu hanchorkan Malaysia. Ia balek ka- di-adakan jalan perdamaian, tetapi Jakarta, ia minta President Sukarno dengan apa helah-nya juga, berkata malang-nya terganggu sa-kerat jalan, 2 tetapi sekarang kita mahu perhubongan hanchorkan Malaysia, sampai baharu balek. Maka uchapan Che' Aishah ini, dua malam dahulu, saya men- Ghani, sa-bagai Ketua Rombongan dengar di-radio mengatakan hanchor­ kan Malaysia. Kita dengar juga itu bukan ia mahu mengikut, atau 2 ia tidak lebeh maju daripada Kaum kempen belum berapa bulan lagi, Ibu Indonesia, tetapi ini ada-lah adat belum berapa minggu lagi, saya pergi resam orang Melayu—saya minta ka-Kluang, Parti Socialist Front, Parti wakil Batu itu faham—sabagai adat Kepala Lembu, apa ia kata: "Han­ resam orang Melayu, apabila kita chorkan Malaysia". Saya kata: "Kalau pergi ka-rumah atau negeri orang, kita hendak hanchorkan Malaysia, han­ merendahkan diri. Maka dengan chorkan aku sa-orang dahulu, hanchor­ sebab itu, dia kata, kami suka kan umat yang 10 juta dalam Malaysia juga hendak menengok, hendakkan ini, baharu-lah hanchorkan Malaysia panduan apa yang baik untok kami ini". Kalau hanchor Malaysia ini, boleh buat oleh2an, boleh di-jalankan ada-kah mereka—parti yang menyeru di-Tanah Melayu, tidak mengikut hanchorkan Malaysia itu tidak dengan buta tuli. Maka ini semua hanchor? Ini-lah yang menyebabkan kata pehak parti pembangkang sangat2- Allah subhanahu wata'ala juga tahu, 2 ra'ayat menjadi hakim—2,700,700 lah hendak menghambat hati orang 2 Indonesia, sangat-lah kita ini lemah, orang pengundi , wakil ra'ayat dari­ sangat-lah kita ini mahu tundok pada Parti Socialist Front yang kapada Indonesia, sebab itu Kerajaan dahulu-nya ada tujoh orang, sekarang Perikatan juga yang menyebabkan tinggal chuma dua orang; sa-orang 563 22 MAY 1964 564 wakil ra'ayat yang lama ia-itu dari the people to my Ministry. Mr Speaker, Pulau Pinang Dato Keramat, dan sa- Sir, as you are aware, the M.C.A. has orang wakil yang baharu dari been accused by the Opposition in kawasan Batu, Kuala Lumpur. this House, outside this House and also Maka saya berharap Yang Berhor- at election rallies. The Opposition has mat wakil dari Batu jangan-lah menjadi accused that the M.C.A. is selling macham batu, kaku, biar-lah tersenyum Chinese culture and also is trying to sadikit kerana apa, saya pun sudah kill, destroy, Chinese culture in this kena tutoh juga. Maka kalau sudah country. Sir, today I am a member of kena tutoh sama2 kita berchakap dalam the M.C.A. and also an elected Member soal politik, maka sama2-lah kita to this House for a second term from terima dengan baik, kerana ini dalam my constituency. However, when I am perbahathan, dan saya berharap Yang appointed as an Assistant Minister, Berhormat wakil dari Batu sa-kira-nya there is something which the Opposi­ silap yang saya tidak menchabar tion has to say particularly about my President Sukarno, kerana saya malu, qualifications. Sir, the Member for Ipoh President Sukarno berumor 63 tahun, was campaigning that this party is to saya baharu 48 tahun, saya Ketua protect, and to preserve, the Chinese Pemuda, ta' patut chabar macham itu. culture in this country. I myself have Maka saya minta-lah kapada Tuan been educated in Chinese and have Yang di-Pertua, ini-lah sahaja, dan saya spent twelve years in a Chinese school. uchapkan banyak terima kaseh. Maka But today, when I have been appointed kalau sekarang ini, barangkali wakil as Assistant Minister of Education, the dari Batu tadi terdiri2 hendak ber­ Opposition is not happy about it. chakap, saya boleh dudok, kerana dia Mr Speaker, Sir, I admit that I do minta peluang hendak berchakap. Saya not have an academic degree or even harap Yang Berhormat wakil Batu a University degree, but I have what is boleh berchakap apabila saya dudok. most needed in holding the post of Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Tuan Assistant Minister of Education, Yang di-Pertua, saya suka hendak because I am a man of the people. I memberi uchapan di-atas uchapan know and I understand the people's Menteri Pengangkutan. Saya hendak problems and their cultural needs, and minta ma'af kapada Menteri itu dan I shall dedicate my service to meet such kapada Rumah yang berhormat ini, problems and needs. Today, in spite oleh kerana sa-malam saya ada ber- of the criticisms from the Opposition— kata yang Menteri itu ada meminta they have alleged that the M.C.A. is lawan dengan Sukarno. Sa-betul-nya, quite useless—we have on this side of Menteri itu ada meminta lawan dengan the House more elected M.C.A. Mem­ Enche' Aidit. Demikian itu, saya sa- bers of Parliament as compared with kali lagi minta ma'af kapada Menteri the number in the year 1959. We have itu, dan juga minta ma'af kapada 27 elected M.C.A. M.Ps out of 34 Rumah yang berhormat ini. candidates, who stood in the last election (Applause), returned and The Assistant Minister of Educa­ supported by the Chinese. That shows tion (Enche' Lee Siok Yew): Mr that the Opposition's accusation is not Speaker, Sir, I think this is the right true. time for me to say a few words here in order to show the test of the Member Mr Speaker, Sir, I am very proud to for Ipoh and the Member for Batu be appointed to this high post of who spoke day before yesterday and Assistant Minister. I shall try to do my yesterday about my appointment as the very best, and with all my ability to Assistant Minister of Education. discharge my duty, in order to assist my Honourable Minister to implement Mr Speaker, Sir, I have been the Alliance Education policy. appointed as Assistant Minister of Education because the leader of the Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like Alliance has confidence in me that I to take this opportunity also to say a should be able to represent the views of few words in Bahasa Kebangsaan. 565 22 MAY 1964 566 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, suara2 di- Memuji orang pengundi di-hari pilehan dalam Dewan ini dan uchapan2 raya, tetapi saya suka minta kapada daripada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat di- Yang Berhormat ahli itu boleh-kah Dewan ini berkenaan Pilehan Raya 25 mulai hari ini dan tiap2 bulan mem­ haribulan April yang lalu, saya sa- bawa peti ubat itu jumpa orang yang bagai chalun daripada Parti Perikatan sokong dia di-kawasan-nya itu? Kalau bertanding kawasan saya—kawasan boleh saya mengaku dia Yang Ber­ tua saya di-Sepang—satu kawasan hormat itu ada-lah sa-orang yang baik yang Parti Lembu kuat dan satu dan betul mahu tolong orang miskin, kawasan yang 95% pengundi itu orang tetapi kalau tidak Yang Berhormat buroh, orang penureh getah, orang itu sudah menipu pengundi sahaja menanam sayor2an dan pekerjaan lain2. (Tepok). Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-lah Dan juga dapat sokongan penoh uchapan daripada saya dan saya daripada Barisan Sosialis di-Singapura uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Tuan mengambil 100 orang pemuda dan Yang di-Pertua. pemudi pendudok di-kawasan saya melawan dan tentang saya, tetapi hari Dr Lim Chong En: Mr Speaker, ini ra'ayat sudah terang dan fahamkan Sir, on a point of order. I did not apa-kah kerja2 dia buat dan apa-kah interrupt the Honourable Assistant uchapan daripada Parti Lembu itu. Minister because it is not the practice Parti itu kalau tidak silap saya for us to interrupt the Government Perdana Menteri Singapura ada ber- benches, but I would like to make a uchap parti itu parti communist front. point of clarification. He started by Ahli2 Yang Berhormat di-Dewan ini replying to the Honourable Member jangan lupa apa-kah sebab Parti for Ipoh and the Honourable Member Lembu itu dan Parti Tandok itu jadi for Batu and then he referred to the tandok patah? (Tepok). Soal itu fact that the Opposition—which menjawab-nya bagi saya senang. Ahli2 included us—did not approve of his Yang Berhormat jangan lupa, tahun appointment. Sir, on a point of 1945 Parti Kominis Malaya ada clarification, I would say that on our memerentah Persekutuan Tanah Me- side here, we have reserved our layu sa-lama 14 hari. Saya tahu sebab judgment. We wish to see what will saya datang dari kawasan kominis transpire before we pass judgment. yang kuat, Kajang. Bila kominis We have not asked about his qualifi­ perentah Malaya 14 hari di-Malaya cations. We shall judge him according ini, kami menampak bendera merah to his deeds in the next five years. 2 di-pasang di-tiap pekan dan kampong. The Minister of Health (Enche' Hari ini kami tengok Parti Lembu itu Bahaman bin Samsudin): Tuan Yang ekor pun merah, kepala pun merah, di-Pertua, saya bangun untok men- kaki pun merah (Ketawd). Tetapi jawab uchapan2 Ahli2 Yang Berhormat Pilehan Raya 25 haribulan April yang mengenai Kementerian Kesihatan. lalu di-kawasan Batu, di-kawasan saya dan di-kawasan Damansara Parti Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh Lembu itu yang kuat, Ahli2 Yang meminta supaya layanan perubatan Berhormat nampak-lah di-pasang ben­ di-bahagian out-patient di-beri per- dera merah juga. Jadi. saya tidak chuma kapada orang ramai. Tuan tahu-lah. Apa-kah maksud pasang Yang di-Pertua, bayaran bagi rawatan bendera merah itu kalau itu tidak di-bahagian out-patient memang telah kominis? Ahli2 Yang Berhormat berjalan kuat-kuasa-nya di-dalam tiap2 jawab-lah di-dalam Dewan ini atau negeri semenjak beberapa tahun yang di-luar Dewan ini. lampau. Saperti di-nyatakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh itu Saya pun faham juga Yang Ber­ Pegawai Perubatan mempunyai kuasa hormat dari Batu itu di-dalam hari membebaskan sa-saorang yang di- pilehan raya melawat kawasan dia fikirkan-nya tidak mampu membayar sendiri dari sa-rumah ka-sarumah daripada bayaran yang di-tetapkan itu, membawa peti ubat untok menolong sama ada sa-bahagian daripada-nya orang sakit sa-bagai sa-orang doktor. atau kesemua-nya sa-kali. 567 22 MAY 1964 568 Kementerian ini sedar tentang The Honourable Member for Ipoh— masaalah dan kerumitan yang telah he is not here today—referred to timbul berkenaan-nya, dan pada masa complaints of ill-treatment or non- ini perkara ini ada-lah di-dalam treatment of patients in hospitals and siasatan dan satu Jawatan-kuasa akan also complaints about blood transfu­ di-lantek bagi-nya, supaya bayaran sion where relatives of patients are yang di-kenakan ada-lah sama di- threatened to provide blood. Mr serata negeri2 di-Malaya, dan supaya Speaker, Sir, the Ministry of Health hanya mereka2 yang mampu mem- welcomes justifiable and constructive bayar di-kenakan bayaran. complaints against improper treatment and service in the hospitals and health Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Temerloh service as a whole. My Ministry juga meminta Kerajaan mengadakan invariably causes investigations to be peratoran atau undang2 bagi mengawal made into such complaints and makes harga ubat2 yang di-beri oleh doktor2 every endeavour to ensure against a private; dan meminta di-adakan repetition. Disciplinary action against undang2 supaya ubat2 di-peroleh dari- the officers concerned is taken where pada "chemists" dan bukan-nya di-jual merited. My Ministry has under oleh doktor2 itu terus. review the machinery to deal with such complaints to ensure effective and Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada masa ini 2 expeditious attention. In fact, I have in dan mengikut kelaziman di-negeri mind the appointment of a special lain, ada-lah menjadi keberatan bagi officer to deal with such complaints Kerajaan mengadakan peratoran atau and take immediate action. In some undang2 mengawal bayaran ubat2 atau 2 hospitals the supply of blood in the rawatan yang di-beri oleh doktor blood bank is inadequate to meet the private sebab menyentoh kebebasan need for blood. Basic to the solution of sa-saorang itu bertindak. Kerajaan 2 the problem is the willingness of the ada-lah berikhtiar bersunggoh untok general public to come forward to memperluas dan memperelok perkhid- donate their blood to our blood banks matan perubatan, dengan tujuan supaya and thereby maintain an adequate and kemudahan2 perubatan dapat dengan 2 steady supply. I earnestly appeal to senang-nya kapada tiap pendudok members of the public to do so. At the yang memerlukan-nya. Dengan demi- same time my Ministry is giving kian kelak tidak-lah lagi berapa constant attention to the re-organisation mustahak bagi sa-saorang pergi kapada and running of the various blood banks doktor private untok menerima ra­ in our hospitals. watan. The Honourable Member for Batu Peratoran di-United Kingdom tidak touched on the newspaper report that boleh kita ikut pada masa ini kerana Hospital Assistants will be made kita kurang serba serbi-nya. Di-seluroh Assistant Medical Officers. I am afraid Malaya kita ada lebeh kurang 60 this is a case of inaccurate reporting pharmacists sahaja. Ranchangan untok by the Press. The statement I made memperbanyakkan latehan pharmacists refers to the creation of posts of ada di-dalam timbangan Kerajaan. Hospital Assistants who would dis­ Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Tumpat charge the functions and duties of dan Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Melaka Assistants to Medical Officers, or Selatan meminta kerajaan mengadakan Medical Assistants, and not Assistant sa-orang doktor di-kawasan2-nya. Tuan Medical Officers. Yang di-Pertua, saya suka menyatakan The Honourable Member also re­ bahawa Kementerian Kesihatan ada- ferred to the cholera outbreak in lah menjalankan sa-genap ikhtiar Malacca. I would like to inform him untok menambahkan bilangan doktor2. that the Committee of Enquiry Permintaan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat itu appointed by the Cabinet to report on telah di-ambil ingatan untok di- the outbreak of cholera in 1963 had penohkan apabila sahaja keadaan made its investigations and had sub­ mengizinkan. mitted its report and recommendations, 569 22 MAY 1964 570 which were presented to Parliament on Member, I shall personally investigate 10th January, 1964. The points raised into this matter, and I hope he will by the Honourable Member for Batu give his co-operation. have been fully dealt with in the said I shall be meeting representatives of report, and I do not consider further the Malayan Medical Association soon comments are necessary. in order to discuss with them problems The Honourable Member also re­ relating to my Ministry. ferred to the shortage of doctors and the delay in appointing applicants. I Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya uchapkan terima kaseh di-atas tegoran2 yang would like to state here that every 2 effort is being made to solve the membena daripada Ahli Yang Ber- hormat. Kementerian saya menyambut problem of shortage of doctors. Apart 2 2 from the arrangements made some baik chadangan dan tegoran daripada time back to recruit doctors from the sa-siapa jua pun. Philippines, on a Government to Saya baharu sahaja menjadi Menteri Government basis, every encourage­ Kesihatan. Saya sedar ada-nya banyak ment is and has been given to masaalah2 saperti kekurangan doktor2, individual applications especially from hospital2, ubatan2, kelinik2 dan sa- India, Pakistan, Ceylon and Burma. bagai-nya. Saya mengaku chuba me- Twenty doctors from these countries nyelesaikan masaalah2 ini dengan have been recruited into the service sa-berapa dapat dan chepat-nya. since July, 1963. Over one hundred Sementara itu, saya nasihatkan: and fifty applications are under action. simpan-lah diri dalam kesihatan sa- It is found, however, that many of the bilang masa, supaya masaalah2 saya applicants, due to lack of proper sebutkan tadi beransor berkurangan. housemen training, are not registrable Terima kaseh. under our Ordinances. The Minister of Commerce and With regard to the appointment of Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Mr doctors, delays do at times occur in Speaker, Sir, I wish to reply to certain cases where insufficient information is points raised by the leader of the Pan- submitted by the applicants since their Malayan Islamic Party, the Honour­ applications and experiences are basic able Member for Pasir Puteh. In his to the determination of their registra­ speech, he said: tion, appointment and salary. In clear "Kami (that is the P.M.I.P.) pun perchaya cut cases appointments are made within bahawa Negara2 yang baharu munchul yang one week after the receipt of applica­ baharu Merdeka tidak dapat berdiri dengan tions. tegap dan kukoh, kalau sa-kira-nya tidak mendapat pinjaman daripada luar Negeri The Honourable Member also re­ bagi membangunkan Negara itu sendiri." ferred to the question of subsidy for the Lady Templer Hospital. Mr Sir, I fully agree that a country like Speaker, Sir, this question is under ours, a newly independent country, consideration by the Government and must find foreign loans to assist us in I am personally looking into this our economic development. All deve­ matter. loping countries are short of capital and since the formation of the United The Honourable Member also en­ Nations there has been several bodies quired with regard to the new General trying to solve this situation of how to Hospital, Kuala Lumpur. I would find sufficient capital to lend or to give like to inform this House that the these underdeveloped countries to help architects for the new General Hospital them develop economically. As a result have been appointed and the detailed of these explorations, several advanced drawings are being done. It is expected countries have given grants and loans that construction would commence in and even the United Nations has sug­ 1965. gested the possibilities of compensa­ With regard to shortage of drugs tory financing. Be that as it may, these and other things in the hospitals, moves were still not up to the expecta­ as complained by the Honourable tions of the underdeveloped countries 571 22 MAY 1964 572 and as a result of these demands by the by the lending country when the underdeveloped countries, the United borrower is unable to honour its debts. Nations is now holding a conference This form of economic subversion is on Trade and Development in Geneva not new and I am sure the Honourable for the last two months. Member for Pasir Puteh, who is no new-comer to this House, is fully alive Sir, the World Bank and the to the existence of such practice in developed countries will consider loans, other parts of the world. but all lenders must ensure that the country that borrows the money will be It is for this reason that the Alliance able to return the capital plus interest. Government, fully realising that we We in Malaya have borrowed from the must have foreign capital to assist us in World Bank for the building of hydro­ our economic development, is encour­ electric dams; we have also borrowed aging foreign private enterprise to invest from foreign countries to build our in joint ventures with local capital in piers. But all these lenders must first our industrial development programme. satisfy themselves that we are credit We have succeeded in attracting four­ worthy, that we are able to repay teen or more different countries to these loans and that our Government invest in Malaysia. This will ensure will guarantee the repayment of these that no single foreign country will loans. Foreign loans will only therefore dominate the economy of our country. be given to the extent of the credit Through joint venture, not all the pro­ worthiness of a country. Beyond that fits will leave the country. Through point loans will become risky and joint venture we are building up capital foreign countries will not be prepared growth and it is wrong for the Honour­ to lend us any more. able Member for Pasir Puteh to say that in this way the citizens of our In the economic development of our country will only be the unskilled country the Alliance Government is labourers of these factories. prepared to use external loans in the setting up of certain industries or infra­ There is no denying that all newly structure to industries, which will assist independent countries are far, far in the industrial development pro­ behind the developed countries in gramme of this country where private wealth, in technical know-how and in enterprise is not prepared to step in. the standard of living. Advanced coun­ The best example I can give you, Sir, tries have industrialised a century or is the building of the hydro-electric more ago, but we are only just begin­ dams where international loans have ning to industrialise. Without capital, been borrowed by the statutory body, without technical know-how, how can the Central Electricity Board, through we compete with these advanced a Government guarantee. countries? We have to compete to survive. This is the problem The Honourable Member for Pasir facing all newly independent countries. Puteh has suggested that we should International bodies like the United finance all our industrial projects by Nations, the World Bank, the General foreign loans and in this way we can Agreement for Trade and Tariff and change the structure of our economy. others are prepared to talk and talk and Sir, this will be very true if a country talk, but so far we have not been able is able to get so much foreign loans to produce any effective legislation that to finance every factory that it builds. can compel the advanced countries to Secondly, when a country does over- ensure that the developing countries borrow, not only will the economic get a fair share of the world's benefits. structure of the country be changed, There is no effective legislation to pre­ so will its political structure, because vent the standard of living of the we do know that as much as a person advanced countries from steadily rising. who is in the clutches of a moneylender Neither is there any legislation that can finds life miserable and intolerable, make the standard of living of deve­ so will a developing nation find itself loping countries rise. All that is left for economically and politically controlled us in the underdeveloped countries is 573 22 MAY 1964 574 for each of us to strive for economic to promote greater Malay participation expansion, to strive for the raising of in commerce and industry. living standards through our own efforts and with whatever assistance we can To assist the Malays to find capital, receive from outside. the Government through RIDA has given out about $25 million in loans. Sir, I do not intend to expound on The Sharikat Kewangan Malaya Raya whether a free or controlled economy is an additional source of capital but is the better. All I propose to say is like all loans they must be repaid. that the Alliance Government stands There must be some form of security for free enterprise and we believe that although quite a number of RIDA the fastest, surest and most beneficial loans are given unsecured. method for the nation to industrialise is through joint venture. In this To assist the Malays to gain technical way we not only get the capital know-how, RIDA has been providing needed for expansion, but we will courses for Malay businessmen. My gradually gain the technical know-how Ministry is now running courses for that we lack. Because of the profit Malay contractors. The Ministry of incentive, the factories set up by these Labour is running apprenticeship joint ventures have to succeed. Foreign schemes. The Government has given capital invested in our country cannot more scholarships to the Malays. afford to see that their capital will not To assist the Malays to involve be returned. What is more important, themselves in certain businesses like through joint venture we shall jump the transport business, the Government from the bullock-cart to the jet. has reserved quotas for them. Because foreign entrepreneurs have invested their capital here and because These are the handicaps given to the of the profit incentive, they must com­ Malays in commerce and industry. pete with the advanced countries for markets. Through the judicious use of One is almost tempted to compare tariffs, we can ensure fair competition. the economic position of the Malay Through competition we can achieve community and the non-Malay com­ and ensure high standards in the goods munity with that of the underdeveloped that are produced in this country. and developed countries in the world. Through free enterprise and joint ven­ As much as we believe that free enter­ ture in industrialisation, the Alliance prise and joint-venture is the best and Government believes that we shall surest way to succeed in the indus­ succeed in changing our agricultural trialisation of our nation, we believe economy into a mixed economy. that joint-ventures of Malay and non- Through this avenue we hope to be in Malay capital will be the surest way a better position to compete with the of producing capital growth and techni­ advanced countries and at the same cal know-how for the Malays in com­ time to be able to raise the standard of merce and industry. living of all our peoples. In furtherance of this aim, it is the The Honourable Member for Pasir policy of the Government to reserve a Puteh next complained about the back­ portion of the capital of pioneer com­ panies to Malays so that the Malays wardness of the Malays in commerce will then have a stake in the industrial and industry. He inferred that the development of the country. The Malay Government was doing nothing to individuals may not have the neces­ narrow the economic gap between the sary capital, but collectively, through Malays and the non-Malays. This is the Sharikat Pemodalan Kebangsaan, absolutely wrong. The Alliance Govern­ the Malay community can meet the ment is fully aware that the Malay capital commitments. community as a whole has lagged be­ hind the other races in commerce and To ensure that the Malays can industry. For this reason special pro­ acquire technical know-how, a portion visions have been provided in the of jobs in these factories are reserved Constitution to empower Government for them so that they can participate in 575 22 MAY 1964 576 the technical training programmes The Assistant Minister of Justice offered by these factories. (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Ya'kub): I am glad that the Honourable Mem­ Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Mem­ ber for Pasir Puteh in his speech ber for Ipoh, who is not here this quoted what the Prime Minister was evening, has stated in this House that, reported to have said, viz: as regards mining land in Perak, inves­ tigations in respect of the alleged "Kami sudah menjadi bangsa yang merdeka corruption have started but that the dan berdaulat, sudah-lah sampai masa-nya bagi orang2 Melayu dalam Negeri ini menukar Attorney-General has directed or ins­ sikap daripada sikap merayu2 meminta per- tructed that no name should be men­ tolongan kapada sikap perchaya kapada diri tioned because "big shots" are involved. sendiri dan bekejar merebut kapada Sir, I am informed by the Attorney- kemajuan. Kalau gulongan2 lain daripada warga negara negeri ini dapat maju dalam General that he has given no such lapangan ekonomi, maka kenapa daripada instruction or direction to the Police or gulongan orang2 Melayu sendiri tidak dapat to any other person. He has further maju dalam lapangan ekonomi?". assured me, and I am satisfied, that in Sir, I do hope that the Malays will the performance of his duties he has heed this call for self-confidence, this always adhered to a very strict policy call to strive to succeed. or principle of impartiality uninfluenced by race, position, wealth or political The Malay community as a whole affiliations. may be economically backward, but one must not overlook the fact that The same Honourable Member also there are also hundreds of thousands requested the Government to consider of non-Malay individuals who are as improving the schemes of service of poor as, or perhaps even poorer than, judicial officers. As regards judges, I some of the Malays. An economic sys­ would like to remind this House as to tem where a small section or a small what was said by the Honourable group are rich and the greater section Deputy Prime Minister in August last are poor cannot, in this present world, year when the Judges' Remuneration be tolerated. You have heard the Bill was debated in this House. He said Minister of Finance to say that it is the as follows: "Now, Sir, in view of the different rates of Alliance Government's policy to strive salaries and allowances payable to these to narrow the gap between the "haves" Judges in the different parts of Malaysia, it and the "have-nots". But the Govern­ will be necessary to review the rates of ment alone cannot assure the economic remuneration at an early date after Malaysia progress of the individual "if", in the and the Government proposes to do this." words of the Prime Minister, "there Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government is is no desire to change, but there must looking into this matter and at the be the need for the individual to have same time opportunity will be taken to self-confidence and the need to strive consider the schemes of service of other to succeed." judicial and also legal officers. Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, The Honourable Member for Ipoh Sir, on a point of clarification. also spoke on the topic of the revision of the laws: he said he hoped that the Mr Speaker: Do you give way? Committee which is doing the revision Dr Lim Swee Aun: I have finished, would also consider amendment to the Sir! laws, such as powers which are vested Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, in the various judicial officers and also Sir, in deference to the Honourable in the Attorney-General. Sir, law revi­ Minister, I did not interrupt him during sion is governed by the Revised Edition his speech and I let him finish his of the Laws Ordinance, 1959, and the speech before I would ask for elucida­ powers of revision are vested not in tion on a matter which he raised during a committee in the sense that we have his speech. five, six or seven persons sitting as Law Revision Commissioners, but in a Mr Speaker: He has finished his Commissioner appointed under the speech already! Ordinance by the Yang di-Pertuan 577 22 MAY 1964 578 Agong. There is, therefore, no com­ Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like mittee of law revision. to reply to a few points raised by the The Commissioner's powers, which Honourable Member for Batu, who are wide and extensive, are described took great pains to describe himself as in section 5 of the said Ordinance. They someone who is not a political virgin. include the making of such adaptations I think, Sir, the Honourable Member or amendments in any law as may is entitled to receive a better honour appear to be necessary or proper as a than that he himself has claimed. I consequence of any change in the cons­ think the epithet "political old maid" titution of the Federation or any part is more precise to describe the deep thereof or any part of the Common­ frustration of those in the Socialist wealth. However, the powers conferred Front, for when I heard him speak by section 5 are subject to the provi­ yesterday he reminded me, Sir, of the sions of section 7, sub-section (1) of the many frustrated old maids in England. same Ordinance. This says: "The powers conferred on the Commis­ The Honourable Member for Batu sioner by section 5 shall not be taken to has described five Alliance candidates imply any power in him to make any who are sitting here—Enche' Ling Beng alteration or amendment in the substance of any law." Siew, who is not there, Wan Abdul Rahman, Haji Su'ut and a few others The reason for this, Mr Speaker, Sir, and myself—as discredited politicians needs no elaborate explanation; only simply because we were defeated in Parliament has the authority to make the Local Council elections in Sarawak and amend laws. As the Revised Edi­ last year. That description, Sir, coming tion of the Laws stands at present, the as it did from a Member of the Kepala Commissioner has no power to make Lembu Party, is no surprise to us at alteration or amendment in the sub­ all. He also alleged in his speech that stance of the laws. Amendments to the the Straits Times "was moved to protest powers vested in judicial officers and over my appointment as Assistant in the Attorney-General may or may Minister of Justice". I do not remember not be amendments in the substance of having read any such protest at all, the laws. If the amendments are in the Mr Speaker, Sir. But be that as it may, substance of the laws, then the only my five colleagues from Sarawak and thing that the Commissioner can do is I were first elected to this House in to follow the procedure laid down in October last year by the Council Negri sub-section (2) of section 7 of the said in Sarawak. When Parliament was dis­ Ordinance. This says: solved, Council Negeri had to re-elect "In every case in which any such alterations Members to this House again and a or amendments are in the opinion of the Commissioner desirable in any law he shall meeting was held in April this year and draft an order setting forth such alterations all the six were re-elected. This proves, or amendments, and such order shall, subject Sir, that at least—because Sarawak still to the sanction of the Yang di-Pertuan follows the "tier" system of elections— Agong, be submitted for the approval of the majority of the elected people of each House of Parliament, to be signified by resolution; and upon such approval being Sarawak who sit in the Council Negri obtained the Commissioner shall thereupon in Sarawak have confidence in us. Of be authorised to make the alterations or course it is understandable that this amendments specified in such order." does not please the Socialist Front and Before I conclude on this subject, Mr its blood brother the S.U.P.P., whose Speaker, Sir, since the Honourable Members are not present here this Member for Ipoh mentioned in his evening; they might have just left Kuala speech that the present Attorney- Lumpur and returned to Sibu and General is a political figure, I would Kuching. But this time it is very signifi­ like to tell this House that the Attorney- cant that the S.U.P.P., the younger General, the present one, is not a brother of the Socialist Front, has political appointee. I do not know what chosen to ask the Socialist Front to the Honourable Member was trying to speak in this House about many things tell this House when he said that the concerning Sarawak. Sir, if we were Attorney-General is a political figure. discredited politicians simply because 579 22 MAY 1964 580 we were defeated in Local Council elected 11 members from the Third elections in Sarawak, then the comrade Division to the Council Negri in of the Honourable Member, the non- Sarawak. Therefore, there is no reason political virgin, or whatever he likes to why the Sarawak Alliance, knowing call himself—I refer to the Honourable that it was in a very strong position, Member for Dato Kramat—is in a should resort to buying over Enche' worse position, because, was he not Jumat. defeated in Local Council elections in In fact, Sir, what did happen was Penang? And not only that, was he not that although Enche' Jumat stood as an defeated in Ayer Itam by our Alliance independent candidate in the local candidate, the Honourable Enche' Khor council election, he, right from the Sin Kheng on 25th April this year? beginning, supported Malaysia. He sup­ Yet we find him speak here—he was ported the Alliance, but because of elected in a Parliamentary consti­ some disagreement over the question of tuency—but we have not said that he the choice of candidates, he chose to is a discredited politician, because we stand as an independent candidate. are not so naive as the Honourable Therefore, until right to the very last Member for Batu to suggest that. We minute, there is no question of his know the clear distinctions between going over to the S.U.P.P., as the Local Council elections, State Council Honourable Member for Batu implied elections and elections to this Honour­ when he said that the Alliance feared able House. The laws in Sarawak do that he might do so and bought him not say that in order to be elected to over. this House one must win in a Local Council election. The Honourable Member for Dato Kramat said this morning that the The same Honourable Member also Sarawak Alliance secured only about dealt with elections in Sarawak. He 49 per cent of the votes and that the quoted figures in an attempt—I think S.U.P.P. gained about 25 per cent. He he failed miserably yesterday, very was, if I am correct, speaking on the much to his annoyance—to mislead this question of Malaysia. But, Sir, the House into believing that had Enche' Honourable Member for Dato Kramat Jumat, a member of the Binatang has deliberately omitted to mention in District Council, not been bought this House the votes gained by the over—that was the expression used by pro-Malaysia PANAS, which now sends him—by the Sarawak Alliance, then two representatives to this House, and the S.U.P.P. would have controlled also the pro-Malaysia independent can­ Sarawak or, at least, the Third Division, didate. I would not like to waste the which sends 11 members to Council time of this House and would merely Negri in Sarawak. refer him to pages 53, 54, 55, 56 and Sir, the total number of seats in the 57 of the United Nations Malaysia Third Division Divisional Advisory Mission Report on this question. Council is 27. Of these 10 belong to Finally, Sir, allow me to entertain the Sarawak United Peoples' Party this House a little bit with a Socialist and 17 to the Sarawak Alliance. Front's song sung by many Socialist Now, even if Enche' Jumat had Front supporters in Selangor, especially supported the S.U.P.P., the S.U.P.P. Kuala Langat, to woo voters. This song would thereby have gained control of reads something like this: only the Binatang District Council, and "Pok amai2, belalang kupu2, because the Binatang District Council Keluar beramai2, undi Kepala sends only three representatives to the Lembu" Third Divisional Advisory Council, the Sarawak Alliance would still have con­ To this on the 25th April the people trolled the Third Division, because of Malaya replied to the Socialist 27 minus 13 gives the Alliance 14 and Front: the S.U.P.P. 13—and the Sarawak "Pok amai2, belalang kupu2, Alliance would still win. In other words, Keluar beramai2, tanam Kepala the Sarawak Alliance would still have Lembu! (Applause). 581 22 MAY 1964 582 Thank you. question, he said that the electoral rolls were opened in September and October, The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, 1963, and that it was opened for Sir, I do not propose to take very much inspection too during December, 1963 of the time of the House, as after all and January, 1964. This was the time there is not very much time left. But when all political parties, according to one thing which I would like to say is him, should have taken the trouble to that the time allowed for debate on the see and check for themselves whether King's Speech has been short. It is the names of the voters were on the obvious to all that this House with the registers or not—and according to him increased number of Honourable Mem­ the inspection of registers was extended bers will require more time in order to beyond this month for the benefit of debate the King's Speech. This is an the voters themselves. Now, having had experience and we hope to do better this inspection open to all, and people next time. did not take advantage of this, it is, Many of the points raised in the according to the Chairman of the House by the many Honourable Mem­ Election Commission, not the Commis­ bers have been dealt with by my sion's fault that the names of voters colleagues, but there are points which had not been entered on the registers. I feel that it is my duty to reply to, and these are points in respect of Then, again, as far as the elections matters in my own portfolio. They are were concerned, according to the Chair­ matters affecting the elections and man of the Election Commission, they Malaysia, with emphasis on the Indo­ went off smoothly and in accordance nesian confrontation. with democratic practice. For myself, I would say that it was not just one With regard to elections, allegations party alone which had suffered, be­ have been made, and I feel that cause of this error or irregularity, but Honourable Members will, perhaps, every party that took part in the excuse me if I do not mention them elections had suffered and it is we by name when replying. This is because ourselves who are to be blamed. It is I have to be brief in my reply, but I wrong to suggest, as the Honourable think Honourable Members can identify Member has insinuated, I think, that from my reply that my reply refers to the Alliance has won the elections the points raised by them. According purely through the shortcomings in the to one Honourable Member, there were election machinery. Some of the parties thousands of eligible voters turned which had lost the elections have taken away from voting. This appeared to be their defeat rather very badly, and this quite true, but the fault, according to is the case with the Honourable the report I received from the Election Member who has brought this matter Commission, is not due to the Election up. He also suggested that the Alliance Commission, or any irregularity in had intimidated the people into voting elections, but rather due to our own for us. According to him, if they voted fault in that we had not checked the for us, their sons would be exempted registers earlier, and that we had from the call-up for national service, neglected to warn the voters to inspect but on the other hand, if they voted the registers to see whether their names for the Opposition, they would be had been entered or not. I, myself, had occasion to tell my own Party off for called-up—this is utter nonsense, and I this neglect of duty. But now that the may say that it is unparliamentary elections had been held, there is nothing language to use. Nevertheless, I think much that we can do except to learn it is wrong for him to suggest anything from experience that next time one of like that, because you will remember the things we have got to do is to that the election result itself rests on inspect the registers. the fact that if the Alliance were returned to power, the call-up would According to the reply I received be effective and the people would be from the Chairman of the Election called upon to defend their country. Commission, to whom I addressed my That is the issue on which these 583 22 MAY 1964 584 elections were fought. It was obvious the Chairman, instructions were issued to all that if they voted for the by the State Supervisor of Elections to Alliance, they would have to stand returning officers to re-check the up and defend this country. It deletions already made in the rolls in was the Opposition, on the other the offices of the Supervisor of Elec­ hand, who went round and said that if tions. If, therefore, there are specific they won the people would not be cases where these deletions had not called upon for national service. In been made which gave non-electors fact, the Socialist Front had issued eligibility to vote, then the matters can cartoons and other pamphlets showing be brought in the election petition. the Honourable Prime Minister of According to the Election Commission, Singapore and myself feeding the some allowances should be given for young men as cannon fodders and some slight errors which might have various other things, which suggests in occurred in making this deletion, as the itself that if you vote for the Alliance Election Commission had to prepare you will, in fact, be called upon to all the electoral rolls for the country in fight for this country. There is no a very great hurry. mistake in that. The people's answer On point two—this suggests that is that we are ready to fight and polling agents were refused permission defend this country with our lives. The to seal ballot boxes at polling stations whole truth is that the Honourable and that they were refused permission Member for Ipoh and his brother and to accompany ballot boxes to the the Party, which they run, have counting houses—it is doubtful, ac­ suffered the worst defeat probably in cording to the Chairman of the their lives, and I don't think they have Election Commission, whether it is been able to get over it. Instead of really true that any polling agent had crying inside their own room, they been refused permission to seal ballot have gone out to utter all sorts of boxes at polling stations. The Election nonsense against the Party that won. Commission has issued very clear Sir, another matter which I would instructions that before the poll like to point out to the Honourable commences the ballot boxes should be Member is the question of Ministers, shown empty to any polling agents as which he raised. Before I come to that, attend and should then be closed, I would like to answer the specific locked and sealed by the presiding points which he raised in connection officer and any polling agents as attend with the elections to which answers may also fix their seal. This is on point have been given by the Election two. Commission. The other point which he raised I For instance, he said in his speech don't think I need mention here. But that some clerks by an oversight had according to him, two boxes had been not struck off some of the names from taken by different routes. According to the white list of the electoral roll. the Election Commission this is subject There are three lists: (a) the white to enquiry. Perhaps the election agent list, (b) the yellow list and (c) the might have taken a different route in green list. Under the existing law, the order to pick up someone, but that electoral rolls are certified in these should not affect the voting or the three lists. List (a) that is the white list, number of vote there. being the merged electoral roll of the previous years; List (ft), the yellow list, There is another point, I remember, being the list of new electors; List (c) which he raised and that is to the being the list of persons who have effect that in some boxes there were died or are no longer qualified and more ballot papers than are the voters their names appearing in List (a) themselves. This is due to the fact that will have been deleted in the offices of some of the ignorant voters had put the Supervisor of Elections before the in the votes which they intended to rolls are supplied to presiding officers. cast for the State into the wrong These are the three lists. According to boxes—into the Federal boxes. All 585 22 MAY 1964 586 these and other points which he raised are the qualifications of the Assistant are being attended to. Then as he has Minister. To that I say that it is none suggested, he is taking an election of his business. (Applause). The right petition to court—that will be dealt to appoint a Minister or an Assistant with by the right authority when it Minister is my privilege as the Leader comes to court. of my Party. For that matter, whether Regarding another matter—he sug­ a person is a gardener or he is not gested that there has been corrupt qualified academically to hold that practices at elections—I do not know appointment, it is my business to see what form they took, in what shape to it. If he will look into the past they appeared. If there is clear evidence history of the rise to power of the of any corrupt practices, it is for the Soviet, he will find that the first Honourable Member to take this Cabinet they had, or some executive matter up in court. He knows the power which they held, were held by procedure and we expect him to bring people who were not, as he would have it up. But he is well aware that there it, academically qualified. I can is a case pending in Penang where a say that the Honourable Assistant member of a certain party had offered Minister whom we have appointed as $5 to a voter to vote for that party. the Assistant Minister of Education is That matter is in court and I do not well qualified to hold that job need to dwell any further on this (Applause) and I can say that we pick matter. In fact, where there have been a person because of his spirit, his corrupt practices and attention is dedication and his loyalty to the brought to it, action will be taken as country and to the Party. It is my soon as we can. It is no use for the business to see that he does his work, Honourable Member to just come here and if he does not do the work it is and make charges. If he knew the fact, my business also to see that he does, it was his duty to make a report, so and not the Honourable Member for that action could have been taken as Ipoh. quickly as possible. In fact, if there The Honourable Member for Batu has been any irregularity or error in also talked about confrontation by the elections, it is the party which put Indonesia and, I think, he suggested— up the largest number of candidates whether he said it or not I was not which would suffer the most—and that quite clear but I only received a is our own Party. The Honourable note—that we are responsible for this Member is aware that we have got no confrontation and that, in fact, the idea control over the Election Commission of merger with the States of Sabah, Supervisors or all those connected with Sarawak and Singapore is to serve the the elections, because the Election British interests. Well, I need not do Commission is an independent Com­ anything more than to suggest to the mission and nobody, in fact, is allowed Honourable Member to refer to the to check, correct, or to pass any vote Solidarity Committee Report, the of censure on the Election Commission. Report of the Codbold Commission I, as the Minister responsible for the and, lastly, the Report of the United portfolio, am only responsible for their Nations Secretary-General. From there payment but not for their supervision, he will see and satisfy himself that and I have no control whatsoever over Malaysia was formed absolutely in their work. Therefore, as I have said, accordance with the desire and the every party, every candidate, has wishes of the people of Singapore, suffered and suffered alike, but if there Sabah and Borneo, and where a country is anything we can do to put it right, or a State indicated that it did not let us all contribute our share towards wish to join us, we left it out as we had it. done in the case of Brunei. We have Now, I come to the question not forced anybody against their own of qualifications of the Assistant will to join us. Ministers, which the same Honourable The situation at this moment is that Member spoke on. He has asked what confrontation has broken out and we 587 22 MAY 1964 588 are prepared to meet it as best as we It was the communists again, I must could. I would like to inform this say, who objected to our alliance with House that as far as Soekarno and Britain, under which Agreement, myself are concerned, we have no Britain has got to establish bases in quarrel. Wherever we have met so far, Singapore, in Malacca and in one or we have met on terms of friendship. two other places within Malaysia and As far as Indonesian people are that in itself has been set up in order concerned, we have had no quarrel to stop the communists from making either. The only quarrel that we have any attack on this territory of ours. has been with the communists. It is They have found to their dismay that clear to all that the cause of the con­ it will be difficult to overrun this frontation, if you like to go into it very country with the British and our allies exhaustively, is that there is one evil here—and, therefore, they, in actual force behind it—that is the com­ fact objected to the setting up of these munists; and I must say that they have bases in this country. cause to complain. They have cause to Now, as it has been pointed to the be annoyed with us, because we are Honourable Member—I think he one of the very few countries which realises it himself as well as we do— met their uprising, broke it and that if the British were to close down crushed it. Naturally, they feel the the bases and they were to move out, pain very badly and could not forget before we knew where we are, we it, because they have raised their ugly wake up in the morning to find heads in other countries and they have ourselves being surrounded by Soe- been allowed to survive—more than karno's men; and I can tell the survive, they have been allowed to Honourable Member that if Soekarno flourish—but in our case they have not does take control of this country and been able to do so, and they have felt run this country, we will find ourselves it very badly. However, unfortunately, worse than we found ourselves in I am sorry to say, they have penetrated during the Japanese time. After all, the some of the parties here and have Japanese at least had done so much used some of our politicians to air for their country, had been able to feed their views and to speak their minds their people and had been able to put and sing their song. This is the song their people on the footing of European we have heard sung time and time countries in the way of industrialisation again. Again, they were annoyed with and other things. But the Indonesians me, perhaps, because when I was in have been able to give their people India, I was one of the first to oppose nothing at all: they have been giving the communist aggression in India— them empty words and empty stomach and that I think has been a trouble all these years that they have run their right from the start of the quarrel with country. And God help us if people Indonesia. like Soekarno and his hordes were to come to our country and run our Further, I think, it was also the country—I hope God will never allow communists, who suggested that by it, and I am sure the Honourable forming Malaysia we are forming a Member will not like it. barricade against communist infiltra­ tion into areas of the States of Sabah On the question of Maphilindo, as and Borneo. It is not Indonesia in suggested by him, it was formed to serve the Alliance Party's purpose, it actual fact, because there is no question was done, I think, as a ruse to give of trying to encircle, as suggested by Indonesia dominance over this country. Soekarno, one hundred million by ten The last thing which we would like million people. But what we have done, to see, as I said just now, is Indonesia I admit, is that by freeing these people running this country and to suggest in these States we have stopped the that we by forming Maphilindo wanted communists from making any inroad Indonesia here is not quite correct. into these States, which they had in Our present stand with regard to their minds of taking control. Indonesia's confrontation is a clear 589 22 MAY 1964 590 indication of our feeling—we meant for the Summit Talk—without with­ to fight it out with them if that needs drawal there can be no Summit Talk. be. I can inform this House that Mr Then the other matter, I think, is Lopez had just seen me and had a the question of the release of political meeting with the Members of the detainees. I would not like to say any­ Cabinet just now; and he has conveyed thing on that, because my colleague our terms to President Soekarno. I am will reply on that, but one thing I do happy to say that most of the terms say is that if these people are released, have been accepted (Applause) except then we will get trouble galore in this one or two which, in effect, means country. that we might not have war with Indonesia for the next couple of days. The Honourable Member for Ipoh (Laughter) However, it is my hope that brought up again the question of equal when we meet, and if we do meet, rights for all. I do not know what he that the Honourable President will do means. Perhaps, he understands it all he can to honour the terms of better than I do, but this is a matter agreement. In the past he had not seen which he has brought up from time to fit to do it, and I hope God has time. What this Government has been changed his mind and has given him trying to do and what my colleagues a change of heart. With that I hope have been trying to do have been to we will manage to see peace not for strike a balance between the "haves" a couple of days, as I said just now, and the "have-nots"; and as it is clear but perhaps for a couple of months or to all that the Malay people are the a couple of years. That will give us "have-nots", I do not think anybody a breathing space to carry on with our will begrudge our effort to help the rural development in this country. Malay people by carrying out rural development—and in carrying out There is one other thing which, I rural development, it is not only the think, I must mention, although I have Malay people but others who live in hardly time to go into all these, the rural areas equally benefit from it. because my colleagues have to reply Then, there is another matter which to the points raised by Honourable he has harped on from time to time— Members. In respect of Thailand, he multi-lingualism. There is not a person said it is not quite a happy choice, here, I say who cannot speak Malay according to a report I have received in this country, unless it is through here, to appoint Thailand as the sheer ignorance on their part, or country to supervise the withdrawal of through sheer disloyalty to this country. army from our country. I personally Everyone, as we know, speaks Malay feel that the appointment of our and it is easy for us to use Malay as neighbour Thailand strikes a happy the national language in this country, medium, because they have been close and that is accepted by all, and I neighbours of ours: they have always think it does not take anybody long to associated themselves with peace in learn the language, because we know this region of Asia and have shown a that all have some sort of knowledge real sincere desire to see a settlement of it. of this trouble between Indonesia and ourselves. Therefore, it is right that we Another matter raised by him and should bring them into the picture, which has been brought to my attention and it is one of the suggestions made is about certain corruption in certain to President Soekarno that when we land scheme in Perak. I can assure him do have a meeting wherever it may that I will see that an inquiry is be—President Soekarno, of course, instituted, and it will be Government's prefers Tokyo for some reason of his duty to find out the real cause of it, which I can't tell you (Laughter)— or the truth of it. Thailand will also be present at this Further, there is another question meeting as a party, who will verify raised, I think, by somebody about the withdrawal, in order to satisfy the voluntary service. According to one parties concerned that we are ready Honourable Member, he said that we 591 22 MAY 1964 592 should not compel anybody to serve kita berkawan dan bersahabat dengan this country but to ask them to give Israel, kerana bagaimana beliau telah voluntary service for the defence of sebutkan di-dalam uchapan-nya masa this country. As I said, if you study ada permainan di-Indonesia, Israel the effect of this cartoon, which I telah di-tolak keluar, bagitu juga kita mentioned just now, it is obviously pun tolak Israel keluar, bahkan kita clear to you that the Socialist Front yang mula2 tolak Israel keluar itu. and those Parties linked up with the Barangkali Yang Berhormat itu tidak Socialist Front, had never intended to sedar bahawa di-dalam segala ke- serve this country, because in that susahan yang telah berbangkit di- cartoon is depicted the Honourable negeri Islam, Kerajaan kita-lah yang Prime Minister of Singapore and my­ memberi pertolongan yang besar, baik self as driving the people forward, berkenaan dengan refugee di-Palestine with chains tied to their back, tied atau pun berkenaan dengan hal to the cannons, with whip in hand, kesusahan yang berbangkit dan yang lashing at them to go forward, with menimpa kapada negeri Islam di- me and sword and the flag of the Afrika dan lain2, kita-lah yang Alliance pushing them. It is obvious memberi bantuan dan derma yang from that cartoon that if we ask them besar. Tujuan kita tidak hendak to give voluntary service, this country berseteru dengan rakan kita yang Is­ will just be dominated by Indonesia lam bahkan sa-bagai sa-ugama, maka at no time, because there is not going tertanggong-lah kapada kita berbaik2 to be any fighting at all. dan berapat2 dengan saudara kita yang sa-ugama. Jadi, berkenaan Then, somebody else talked of dengan tudohan-nya yang mengatakan marriage—I think a Member from kita buat baik dengan Israel itu sama Sarawak. He said that this Malaysia sa-kali tidak berasas. is just a marriage, that it is a harem and all that sort of rubbish. In actual Bagitu-lah juga bagaimana yang fact, we are members of one family. di-tudoh oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat It is not a question of marriage, it is itu tentang ranchangan melawat sambil a question of being members of one belajar, konon-nya, semua pergi makan family. Perhaps, he referred to angin; bukan makan angin sahaja, marriage because he has in mind that makan angin memang keluar negeri as a marriage can be broken up, so naik kereta orang kata makan angin. can Malaysia be broken up. But I Makan angin perkataan Melayu, ma'- think the people of Borneo and ana-nya luas. Tetapi tujuan kita Sarawak know better, and they can hendak memberi orang kita keluar answer for themselves. negeri belajar, jadi sambil makan I think there is no more that I need angin sambil belajar. Dengan pela- reply except, perhaps, to the Honour­ jaran yang mereka dapat kerana able Member for Pasir Puteh. melawat negeri lain dapat-lah buka akal dan fikiran-nya. Jadi dengan Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir kerana kita berperasaan orang2 Parti Puteh telah menudoh bahawa kita PAS hendak sangat buka akal dan telah mengitirafkan Israel, kita ber- fikiran, kita tidak tutup kapada orang2 kawan dan bersahabat baik dengan PAS, bahkan saya selalu kata bawa Israel. Barangkali Yang Berhormat itu orang2 PAS keluar negeri sa-berapa salah faham-kah atau ada tujuan yang yang boleh, jadi mereka selalu di-bawa lain, saya tidak tahu-lah, tetapi bagi keluar (Tepok). Tetapi apa yang menjawab soal yang telah di-keluar- menyusahkan Parti PAS ia-lah banyak kan itu, saya suka sebutkan di-sini yang sudah keluar negeri itu sudah kita mengitirafkan Israel sa-bagaimana pun masok UMNO (Ketawa) (Tepok). kita itirafkan negeri? kominis yang Apabila mereka balek semua jadi tidak bersahabat dengan kita dan orang UMNO. Apa dia boleh buat. negeri2 itu ada jadi ahli dalam United Kalau hendak beri orang PAS pergi Nations. Jadi bukan-lah berma'ana sama dengan orang PAS tidak kena- bahawa dengan mengitirafkan Israel lah, kita kena-lah champor sa-bagai 593 22 MAY 1964 594

satu bangsa Malaysia, bukan sa-bagai Sarawak saya tahu. Tetapi kalau tuan PAS. Siapa kenal PAS luar daripada mahu bilang bagitu yang susah-lah Tanah Melayu? (Ketawa). Jadi kalau barang yang sudah lama di-katakan; ada orang PAS memasokkan nama- tuan berchakap panjang lebar dua tiga nya kita tolak, tolong-lah beritahu jam kata orang Melayu, omong2 kapada saya; Insha Allah saya akan kosong sahaja (Tepok). betulkan. Kita tidak ada tujuan Tetapi saya fikir tuan banyak kerja, hendak menolak orang PAS, orang Socialist Front atau sa-siapa pun saya tahu tuan sa-orang doktor tetapi daripada bersama2 berjalan makan saya tidak tahu doktor—sekolah tidak angin dan sambil belajar. Maka tahu, tetapi kalau doktor ubat jangan- sa-takat itu-lah sahaja saya sebutkan lah tuan buat dua kerja, bagus-lah (Tepok). tuan buat satu kerja sahaja sebab tuan boleh menyelamatkan manusia di- Temenggong Jugah Anak Barieng dunia ini. Kalau tuan sa-orang doktor (Minister for Sarawak Affairs): Tuan ubat patut jangan masok politik. Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak men- Barangkali tuan salah dengar, orang jawab di-atas perchakapan sahabat beli Iban, atau orang mahu beli ubat- saya sa-malam. Saya patut menjawab kah ini tidak terang. Bagi doktor saya sebab saya ada-lah Chairman Alliance fikir bagus-lah tolong orang Sarawak, Party. Kata sahabat saya dari Batu, saya tahu di-Sarawak tidak ada banyak Alliance Sarawak membeli undi orang doktor. Kalau orang Indonesia tembak Iban. Saya mahu bertanya, Tuan Yang orang Sarawak, bagi-lah ubat kapada di-Pertua, jam berapa Alliance mem­ mereka. Saya fikir saudara saya ini beli Iban di-Sungai Binatang, berapa banyak yang menyokong Soekarno— haribulan, berapa ringgit $3.00, $30,000 tidak ada yang menyokong Malaysia. atau $3,000. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa- Tetapi lain kali jangan-lah berchakap lama meeting yang dahulu, saya tengok bagitu sahabat (Ketawa). Kalau betul dia beli chuba-lah beritahu kapada saudara itu tidak ada di-sini barang- 2 kali sudah 7 bulan, apa fasal seka- Jugah, apa hal pun Alliance Sarawak rang baharu perkara itu timbul. Patut- saya tahu. Jangan-lah kawan ikut parti nya tuan jangan lambat memberitahu S.U.P.P.—kaki tangan S.U.P.P. mereka kalau ada party Alliance membeli Iban. ini banyak komunis, jangan champor Tetapi barangkali S.U.P.P. membeli dengan komunis. Saya bersetuju benar Iban betul. Saya fikir tidak dengan kata Perdana Menteri kita, susah Alliance membeli Iban sebab kalau menyokong komunis tidak pun saya pun Iban. Yang paling kuat parti dia masok komunis dia maseh ber- dalam Sarawak parti Pusaka Anak fikiran komunis. Saya fikir ta' usah saya berchakap panjang kerana banyak Sarawak. Sa-saorang yang menjalan- 2 kan parti tidak ada duit sendiri dengan kawan saya hendak berchakap tetapi tulang urat sendiri berchakap dengan saya hendak memuaskan hati tuan. kawan2 orang Iban tetapi saya fikir Tuan baharu kelmarin saya tengok tuan salah faham, siapa bilang Stephen tetapi dahulu tidak ada. Kalau dapat Yong atau Ong Kee Hui atau Khoo jawab-lah perkara itu di-hadapan saya Peng Loong, beri-lah jawapan ini supaya tahu. Jangan-lah kata saya ada supaya saya tahu. Kalau betul terang membeli Iban. Saya telah terangkan tuan dengar atau lihat atau tuan sen­ tadi Jumat ia-lah Iban kalau dia mahu diri ada pergi ka-Binatang atau pergi mengikut komunis tidak ada lain jalan. ka-Sibu berjumpa dengan Jumat, saya Tuan punya chakap macham tong mahu tanya tuan apa macham badan tidak ada ayer—tong kosong, terima Jumat, besar chuba-lah beri kapada kaseh (Tepok). saya tetapi barangkali tuan tidak nam- The Minister of Home Affairs and pak Jumat hanya nama sahaja. Saya Justice (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' patut menerangkan siapa beritahu ka­ Haji Abdul Rahman): Mr Speaker, pada tuan parti S.U.P.P. ia-lah kawan Sir, the election is over, a new House Kepala Lembu. Kalau dia parti is convened, and a new Speaker has S.U.P.P., beritahu saya supaya saya been elected. If ever any Member of tahu. Sebab saya Chairman Alliance the House should complain that the 595 22 MAY 1964 596

Speaker is biased towards the Govern­ on the Government side, are trying our ment, the decision today will prove level best and in fact we are now otherwise for the half an hour reserved reviewing the methods of fighting this for the Government has been given to corruption. others. Sir, the Honourable Member, who Sir, when we began this House, we spoke for the S.U.P.P. bitterly com­ thought at least that we would start plained and deplored the Government's with a clean slate. I, at least, had action in closing down a branch and hoped that issues which were discussed sub-branch of the Sarawak United at great length—sometimes with great Peoples' Party on the ground that these heat in the last Parliament—and also S.U.P.P. branches were being used for had formed part of the platform of the subversive activities. He claimed this various political parties in the elec­ action to be a move to intimidate the tions, would not have been brought supporters of the S.U.P.P. as well as back to this new House. But human to destroy the Party. He saw no cred­ nature is such, Sir, that some people, ible evidence whatsover to justify the whilst professing to know the practice closing of these two branches. He of parliamentary democracy, chose to appealed to the Government to review bring these old issues back to this the matter in order not to undermine House. the people's confidence in the Govern­ ment and to alienate ill-feelings in this The Honourable Member for Ipoh's vital hour. Sir, he made a plea, but favourite theme in the last House had he never substantiated his plea by always been the accusation that Mem­ facts. Now, I am going to reply to him bers of the Alliance Government had by producing facts to this House. I been corrupt, and that during the time would like to read, although this is the Government was in power, corrup­ marked secret, but I think there should tion, as he would like to put, was rife be no secret to this House, I would in the country. In this present House, like to acquaint this House on incidents he has again made the same allegation. that occured in Lundu in Sarawak, I have no doubt that the Honourable which led to the closure of this Member for Ipoh had used this issue S.U.P.P. Branch. of corruption very extensively during the elections in Perak, because he con­ Sir, during the months January to fided to me that it was his utmost March, 1964, two platoons of Indo­ desire that his Party should form the nesian border terrorists attempted to Government of Perak. Now, Sir, if establish bases in the Lundu area from corruption had been as rife as he had which they intended to terrorise the alleged, surely the electorate in Perak local population, and into which it was would not have returned, once again, intended that other Indonesian border the Alliance into power? We, on the terrorists units would move prior to Government side, Sir, do admit that attacks on the security forces in the there is corruption. For that matter, I area, which would then be liberated. would like the Honourable Member for This plan was thwarted by security Ipoh to point out to me which country forces action in which lives were lost can boast that there is no corruption on both sides and during which it at all. But having admitted that there became evident, both from captured is corruption, we categorically deny documents and from statements re­ that corruption is rife in the country, corded from persons arrested, that the and that it has seeped to the various Lundu Branch of the S.U.P.P., under levels of society in this country. In the the direction of its secretary, Lau Kah Gracious Speech, or at least in the Heong, had been responsible for the Appendix to the Gracious Speech, it provision of food and materials to the is mentioned, it is admitted, that there Indonesian border terrorists. Lau had is corruption in the country, but it has received prior notice of the arrival of not grown. It has remained static, and the Indonesian border terrorist units statistics from the Anti-corruption and had used the organisation of the Agency has proved this fact and we, Lundu S.U.P.P. Branch to prepare 597 22 MAY 1964 598 assistance for them. On March 29, statements of these captured S.U.P.P. 1964, an armed and uniformed Indo­ saboteurs. Sir, on the strength of all nesian border terrorist was shot and this, can we accept the allegation of killed by security forces in the Lundu the Honourable Member from the area. He was identified as Zaiton bin S.U.P.P. that the Government in arrest­ Ahmad, an Indonesian, formerly ing these traitors on the ground that resident in Lundu, who had been we are trying to intimidate the S.U.P.P. elected vice-chairman of the Lundu as a political body? Sir, we, and I Branch of S.U.P.P. on its registration personally, strongly believe in demo­ in November, 1960 and who at the cracy. In fact, I have gone so far as time of his death still held that office, to offer my advice to the Socialist although he had not lived in Lundu Front in the last House. I said that I since 1962. would like the Socialist Front to be a real Opposition Party in the House Now, Sir, I would like to read the and for that reason I offered my help. names of the S.U.P.P. members who I said, "Help me to clean your Party were arrested. The member, who spoke of all these communists and these on behalf of the S.U.P.P., said that it traitors". Now, my advice was taken was a false accusation to say that as a threat. The result of the last members arrested were members of the election has shown what a pity it was S.U.P.P. Sir, I would like to make it that the Socialist Front had neglected clear to the House that there were a to accept my advice. large number of people arrested and that not all who were arrested were Sir, it may not be too late for the S.U.P.P. members; but these are the S.U.P.P. to accept my advice and I names of the S.U.P.P. members who extend again my advice, "Co-operate had been arrested in connection with with the Government and we will make this Lundu incident, and I would like you into a real democratic political to read to the House the admission party. But if you, the members of the of these members when they were S.U.P.P. should choose to associate interrogated by the Police. with the enemies of the country, then 1. Nain anak Kassim, member of S.U.P.P. you must expect no mercy from this He admitted to have supplied food to Government." (Applause). Indonesian border terrorists on two occasions. He stated that on 28th January, 1964, he met Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, on a point the branch secretary, Lau Kah Heong in of clarification. Lundu. Lau said that a party of Indonesian volunteers would be arriving at Temaga on Dato' Dr Ismail: Sir, I have at the or about 29th January. Lau gave Nain $30 and instructed him to purchase food for them. outset of my speech said that you On 29th January and 31st January he gave have been generous to allocate the food to three Indonesian border terrorists he time of Ministers to other Members. met at Temaga. The food had been purchased So, I am not trying to be recalcitrant, from the shop of one Onn Pak Chai. selfish, but I have only less than 2. Onn Pak Chai, another prisoner, shop­ twenty minutes to reply to the keeper and member of S.U.P.P., Lundu, admitted that he had twice supplied food to observations of the Honourable Mem­ the Indonesian border terrorists in early bers. So, if the Honourable Members February, 1964. will forgive me, I will continue with 3. Chai Mee Too, member of S.U.P.P., my reply. Lundu, admitted having supplied food to Indonesian border terrorists on 22nd Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam February, 1964. On 23rd February he gave masa perbahathan berlaku di-dalam a large tin of biscuits and some rice to Parlimen ini, saya ada-lah banyak the Indonesian border terrorists, and on these masa dudok dalam bilek saya dalam occasions another member of the S.U.P.P., Ee Thye Chin, was present and also handed Rumah Parlimen ini, dan saya men- over biscuits and rice. On 24th April, 1964, dengar perbahathan yang berlaku in the Kuching High Court he was convicted ia-lah dengan saloran broadcast, Jadi of consorting with Indonesian border terrorists bila saya dengar satu suara yang and sentenced to 21 months imprisonment. melaong2 dalam Dewan ini, dan saya I will not take the time of the House dengar pula dia mengatakan ia-itu by reading all the admissions or Gestapo Chief ada dalam Rumah ini, 599 22 MAY 1964 600 saya pun terperanjat, sebab apa, bila kapada polis, polis tidak membuat apa2 hari kita membuka Parlimen ini, tindakan. Polis berkata, report sa- Tuan Speaker sendiri telah menengok macham ini tidak ada di-buat. Saya ia-itu sa-orang telah berdiri di-depan perchaya juga penapian daripada polis Speaker yang bukan Ahli meshuarat ini, kerana saya kenal Wan Mustapha ini. Jadi, saya pun panggil Inspector ini sa-orang lawyer, tentu-lah dia tanya dengan dia, sementara menunggu mahir dalam hal ehwal law, dan Inspector itu datang, saya dapati jikalau dia betul2 mendapati yang rupa-nya ia-itu ia-lah uchapan daripada perkara ini benar2 berlaku, tentu-lah Ahli dari Pasir Mas Hulu. Nyaris2 dia sa-bagai sa-orang lawyer tahu saya fikir katakan orang yang gila mengambil apa2 chara supaya meng- isim telah masok dalam Rumah ini. atasii perkara yang tersebut itu. 2 (Ketawa). Rupa -nya Ahli yang baharu. Satu lagi kata dia bila peti2 undi ini (Ketawa). di-bawa dengan escort oleh polis Jadi, Ahli yang baharu ini, Ahli kapada tempat menghitong-nya, ahli2 dari Pasir Mas Hulu ini ada membuat P.M.I.P. tidak di-beri bersama2 mem- banyak2 tudohan. Kita tahu-lah, ma'- bawa peti2 undi itu. Ini sa-bagimana alum-lah Ahli yang baharu ini yang di-katakan oleh Yang Teramat memang-lah orang baharu, kadang2 Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri itu, hendak menunjokkan kemegahan dia, perkara ini boleh jadi, jadi, atau ta' kechergasan dia, kepandaian dia ber- jadi, tetapi sa-bagai election agents, itu uchap, kadang2 membuat tudohan2 ada-lah kewajipan2 dia yang telah yang melampau2, tetapi bagi saya terchatit dalam Undang2 Pilehan sa-bagai Menteri Keselamatan Dalam Raya, jikalau dia di-tegah daripada Negeri, jikalau saya tidak jawab membuat kerja2 yang di-tentukan tudohan ini, tentu-lah saya tidak kapada dia, tentu-lah dia boleh meng­ menyampurnakan kewajipan saya. ambil tindakan. Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, kata dia Kemudian dia berkata ia-itu mula2 yang pertama ia-itu di-dalam pilehan dia menapikan yang PAS ini ada raya di-Bachok, Kelantan sana, sa- mengechap azimat, dan dia berkata orang Inspector yang bernama di-Batu Pahat orang UMNO ada Inspector Nizam Mohamed telah berat membuat azimat. Jadi, dia menchabar sa-belah dalam menjalankan kewajipan supaya saya menangkap ahli UMNO dia dan dia sentiasa menangkap yang membuat azimat itu. Saya ia-lah ahli2 daripada PAS dan bila orang sa-bagaimana yang saya tahu ia-itu ini dalam tahanan, orang ini telah tidak ada salah hendak membuat di-pukul dan telah di-gertak supaya azimat, dan saya pun bila membuat dia mengundi kapada Perikatan. uchapan di-Pasir Mas sana, tempat Polis berkata, keadaan sa-macham itu Yang Berhormat itu bertanding, saya tidak berlaku. Jadi, kalau keadaan memberitahu orang ramai bahawa sa-macham itu berlaku, mengikut perkara itu tidak ada salah untok undang2 negeri ini, tidak sa-orang pun membuat azimat, tetapi apa yang boleh mengugut sa-saorang itu pergi salah-nya ia-lah menggunakan azimat mengundi sa-bagai sa-orang pengundi. itu supaya memaksa orang2 mengundi Jikalau Ahli dari Pasir Mas Hulu itu, kapada Parti PAS, itu yang salah; jikalau barangkali dahulu dia belum membuat azimat tidak salah. Jadi, ta' menjadi Ahli meshuarat Parlimen ini payah-lah saya menangkap ahli2 dari­ kurang sadikit tahu undangan, jadi pada UMNO itu, nanti saya pula sekarang telah menjadi Yang Berhor­ mendapat kesusahan daripada parti mat, tentu tahu undangan, bawa-lah saya sendiri, oleh sebab dengan aduan ini kapada tempat yang hasutan tuan. (Ketawa). berkenaan. Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh Satu lagi kata dia dalam masa telah menudoh yang dalam pilehan pilehan raya di-Kota Bahru, rumah raya yang telah lalu ia-itu anggota2 Wan Mustapha telah di-lengkongi oleh polis telah memaksa pengundi2 supaya 1,000 orang daripada ahli2 penyokong mengundi kapada Parti Perikatan Perikatan dan bila di-buat report walau pun dia tidak berchakap Parti 601 22 MAY 1964 602 Perikatan, ma'ana-nya Parti Perikatan- because they have been adequately lah. Ini satu tudohan yang berat yang dealt with by the Prime Minister of di-datangkan kapada anggota polis Singapore—and I thank him. I would yang di-beri kuasa supaya menjaga only like to answer one of the con­ yang Undang2 Pilehan Raya itu tidak ditions wherein he has said that all di-salahgunakan oleh sa-siapa pun. detainees should be released. Jadi tudohan sa-macham itu satu tempelak kapada Polis, dan parti bagi Now, Sir, these so-called political Ahli Yang Berhormat itu patut-lah detainees were detained under the mengeluarkan butir2 berkenaan dengan Internal Security Act, 1960, and the tudohan-nya itu. Saya boleh menyiasat corresponding laws in the other dan kalau ada anggota2 polis mem- States of Malaysia. These persons are buat yang sa-macham itu patut considered to be prejudicial to the di-hukum kapada-nya, tetapi kalau security of the country, if allowed to membuat tudohan yang umum sa- remain at large. Most of these macham ini menjadi satu fitnah detainees' representations had been kapada Polis yang pada masa ini considered by the Advisory Board nama-nya sangat-lah harum, bukan constituted under the law. The Board sahaja di-Malaysia bahkan di-seluroh has made recommendation for their dunia (Tepok). continued detention. Regular reviews of their cases have also been made Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir by the same Board, and their con­ Puteh juga telah menudoh yang tinued detention has been recommen­ Kerajaan telah menangkap ahli2 ded. Sir, many of these so-called daripada parti2 Pembangkang sa- political detainees are self-confessed belum pilehan raya oleh sebab dengan subvertors and Indonesian border keperluan politik. Tuan Yang di- terrorists. Is the Honourable Member Pertua, beberapa kali saya telah for Batu seriously suggesting that we memberitahu kapada Ahli2 Yang should allow these people to be at Berhormat dalam Dewan yang lama large? How does he reconcile that to dahulu dan sekarang saya ulang his professed loyalty to the country, sa-kali lagi ingatan saya ia-itu kita when he wants these very people, menangkap ahli2 dalam satu2 per- who are traitors to the country, to tubohan poliitik itu bukan-nya sa- be allowed to be at large? (Interrup­ bagai sikap-nya ahli politik bahkan tion) We are in Parliament and I would dia ia-lah telah melanggar undang2 like to remind the Honourable Mem­ negeri. Kalau mithal-nya dalam Parti ber for Batu that, first and foremost, PAS banyak gangster tentu-lah we have Standing Rules and Orders, banyak orang PAS di-tangkap (Tepok). under which there is provision where Kalau banyak to' guru dalam Parti any Member can, if he likes, choose PAS yang menyalahgunakan ugama to interrupt any other Member who dan akan menjadi huru-hara kapada is speaking. I think it is just as well negeri, tentu-lah to' guru bukan to remind a "new boy" to this House, sa-bagai sifat-nya Parti PAS di- Sir, that in parliamentary democracy tangkap. Jadi, kalau banyak ahli2 we must abide by the rules. We must Parti PAS di-tangkap itu menunjok- follow them—I was on the point of kan ada keburokan sadikit dalam going to say "not follow". I think Parti PAS. Patut-lah di-betulkan even in the people's democracy, they dalam negeri yang demokrasi ini. have rules there, but the punishment, Now, Sir, the Honourable Member I can assure the Honourable Member, for Batu, in his two-hour long speech, is more severe than the punishment made many observations, and I would meted out by this House. like only to reply to the point in Sekarang saya sampai kapada regard to the conditions which, he jawapan Yang Berhormat dari Johor said, we should accept in order to Barat have peace with Indonesia. Now, Sir, I would not like to touch on all the Mr Speaker: Saya suka mengingat- various aspects of the conditions, kan masa hanya ada 5 minit lagi. 603 22 MAY 1964 604 Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji suka menolong kita. Itu-lah sahaja, Abdul Rahman: I will try to be as terima kaseh. (Tepok). quick as possible, Mr Speaker, in order to meet with your wishes Mr Speaker: Dua minit sahaja, although I am the injured party. Now, kalau tidak lebeh baik saya tutup Sir, berkenaan dengan tegoran Ahli Majlis ini. Yang Berhormat dari Johor Barat Question put, and agreed to. atas berkenaan dengan Inspector- General of Police ia-itu kata-nya Resolved, patut-lah tempat jawatan itu di- That an humble Address be presented to penohi oleh sa-orang ra'ayat negeri His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong as ink Saya suka-lah menyatakan follows: kapada Yang Berhormat itu ia-itu "Your Majesty, ahli expatriate ini hanya-lah bekerja We, the Speaker and Members of the Dewan Ra'ayat Malaysia in Parliament sa-hingga tahun yang akhir ia-lah assembled, beg leave to offer Your Majesty 1965 dan dia berkhidmat di-sini our humble thanks for the Gracious Speech ia-lah dengan permintaan saya sendiri with which the First Session of the Second kerana masa-nya dia bersara telah Parliament has been opened." sampai. Pada masa penubohan Malaysia dengan ada-nya kekurangan Mr Speaker: The House shall anggota2 polis dan memikirkan adjourn sine die. keamalan yang ada pada diri-nya dia Adjourned at 8.30 p.m.