Friday, December 16, 1955 LOK SABHA DEBATES

(Part I—Quesdon* and Antwen)

VOLUME Vn, 1955

{2Jst November to 23rd December, 1955)

ELEVENTH SESSION, 1955

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LOK SABflA SECRETARIAT NEW CONTENTS Volumt VJI—Prom ittt Nootmbtr to ajrd Dumber, 195$. \

No, I— Mondayi 2ut Novmbery t^s S C o lu m n s Members Sworn. . * . . . i

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Starred Questions Nos. i to 3> 5 to 25, 28, 29, 31 and 32 • • *— 30 Written Answers to Questions— Storred Questions Nos. 4, 26, 27, 30, 33 to 45 * • • 90—36 UnstarreJ' Questions Nos. i to 24 . . • . 36— 46 Daily Digest 47— 50

No. 2— Tuesdayi 22nd November^ i^SS* Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 46 to 51, 53 to 63, 65 to 69, 71, 72, 74 ^ 75 5*— 3x Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 73> 76 to 83, 85 to 91 and 93 to 97 .• • 81—9 X Unstarred Questions Nos. 25 to 54 . . . . 9i— 104 Daily Digest . • . . . . . 105— 08

No. i — Wedfusday^ 23rd November, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions—

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No. 4^^hursdayy 24th November, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 148 to 161, 163, 164, 167 to 170, I72> 174* 176 to 183, 185, 187 and 1 8 9 ...... 157— 90 Written Answers to Questions— Surred Questions Nos. 165, I75> 184, 190, 192 and 193 . 190—92 Unstarred Questions Nos. 7110 81 and 83 to 90 . . . . 192— 902 Daily D i g e s t ...... 2 0 3 -^ (i) ' (ii)

No, $—Pridayy i$th Novmber, 1955, 0OLUMN8

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No. 6— Mondayy 2%th Novembmr, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 242 to 246, 251, 252^ 256, 258, 260, 262 to 264, 266, 269, 241, 247, 253, 257* 259, 261, 265, 267, 248, 255 and 2 4 9 ...... 265— 94 Short Notice Question No. i ...... 2 9 4 -^ Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 250, 254 and 268 . .... 299—300 Unstarred Questions Nos. 127 to 148 ...... 300— 10 DaUy D i g e s t ...... 311— 12 No. j^Wtdmsday, soth November, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions—

Starred Questions Nos. 270, 271, 273 to 276, 278, 284, 279* 282, 283, 285 to 295> 297 to 3 0 1 ...... • • . 3x3— 42

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No. ^’—Thursday, ist Deumber , 1955.

Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 313, 3i 5 to 3i 7» 3I9 > 320, 322 to 324. 327 to 330, 332 to 336, 338, 339 , 341 to 343i 345 to 347 »nd 349 to ...... Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 314. 3i 8 . 321, 325, 326, 331, 337> 340, 344, 348 and 354 to ...... 392—405 Unstarred Questions Nos. 171 to 173 and 175 to 216 . • • 405— 28 Daily D i g e s t ...... • • 429—32 No. 9 ^Fridayy 2nd Deeember, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 378 to 381, 383, 385, 387 to 389, 39 i, 392 , 394 to 399* 401, 403* 404, 406, 407> 409 to 415 • • • • 433—63 (iiO

C olumns Written Answers to Questions— Star/ed Questions Nos. 382, 384, 386, 390, 393 > 400, 402, 40S, 408, 416 to 426 and 123 ...... 464—*70 Unstarrqd Questions Nos. 217 to 237 ...... 470— 80 Daily Digest ...... 48X--84 No» 10— Saturdayy 3rd Decetnber, 1955.

Oral Answers to Questions-— . Starred Questions Nos. 427 to 429, 43h 433 to 436, 439. 443. 444» 446 to 451, 454* 455 and47 6 ...... 485— 513 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 430, 432, 437> 438, 440 to 442, 445* 452, 453, 456 to 475, 477 to 484, 171, 188 and 191 . . .513—29 Unstarr^d Questions Nos. 238 to2 6 3 ...... 529—40 Daily D i g e s t ...... 541—44 No. ii-^Mondayy $th December^ 1955.

Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 485, 488, 490 to 492, 494, 495, 497 to 501* 504 to 506, 512, 514 to 516, 518, 521, 522, 525, 530, 526 .545— 75 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 487, 489, 493 , 496, 502, 503, 507 to 511, 513, 519, 520, 524, 527, 528, 529, 531 to 537 . . . 575— 84 Unstarred Questions Nos. 264 to 307 . . . . . 584—606 Daily D i g e s t ...... 607— 10 No, ii-^Tuesday^ 6th December, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions—

Starred Questions Nos. 538 to 540, 544 to 546, 548, 549 , 55i> 553, 554, ^ 559 to 563, 565 to 568, 570 to 574* 577 to 583 and 547 - 611—43

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Starred Questions Nos. 584 to 587, 589 to 598, 600 to 604 and 606 665— 93 Short Notice Question No. 2...... ^93—94 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 588, 599, 605^ 607 to 630 and 302 . . 694— 706 Unstarred Questions Nos. 333 to 362...... 706—18 DaUy Digest ...... 7X9-22 (iv)

COLUMNI No. 14~-Thursdayy %th Diumber^ 1955. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 631, 632, 634, 635, 637, 639 to 641, 643 to 645, 647 to -649,651,653 to 659,661,663,664,681,666,668 and 669 .... 7^3— 54 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 633,636,638,642,646,650,652,660, 662, 665, 667, 670 to 680, 682 to 6 8 7 ...... 755— ^5 Unstarrcd Questions Nos. 363 to 3 9 7 ...... 765— 84 Daily D i g e s t ...... 785— 88 No, IS— Friday, 9th December, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions—

Starred Questions Nos. 688 to 690, 692, 694 to 697^ 699, 701, 703> 705 to 708, 711 to 7I3> 715 to 719, 698 and 702 ...... 789— 818 Written Answers to Questions— , Starred Questions Nos. 691, 693* 700, 704, 709^ 710 and 714 • • • • 818— 20 Unstarred Questions Nos. 398 to 4 2 0 ...... • • 820—30 Daily D i g e s t ...... 831— 32 No, l€— Mondc^, 12th December, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 721, 722> 725 to 732, 734, 738 to 740, 743 to 746, 748 to 750, 724, 735 «nd 7 2 3 ...... 833— 61 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 720, 733, 736, 737> 74i, 742 and 747 • • • • 861— 64 Unstarred Questions Nos. 42110440 ...... 864—74 Daily D i g e s t ...... 875— 76 No, 17— Tuesday, i^th December, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions—

Starred Questions Nos. 752 to 761, 764 to 773> 775> 779 j 780, 784 to 786, 788, 7 8 9 ...... 877—906 Short Notice Question No. 3 ...... 907— 08 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 75 Ij 762, 770-A, 774> 776, 777» 778, 781 to 783* 790 , 791 to 805 and 8 0 7 ...... 908—20 Unstarred Questions Nos. 44X to 4 8 9 ...... 920—40 Daily D i g e s t ...... 94*—^44 No, x8— Wednesday, x^th December, 1955* ^ Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 808, 809, 815 to 817, 820, 824, 825, 828 to 832, 834 to 836, 838, 814, 812, 823 and 827 ...... 945— 68 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 810, 811, 813, 818, 819, 821, 822, 826, 833 and 837 . 968— 72 Unstarred Questions Nos. 490 to 5 2 2 ...... 973 — 90 Daily D i g e s t ...... 99 I- 5K V Columns No, 19— Thursdayy isth Decembir, I955« Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 840, 844 to 848, 850, 853 to 856, 858, 859^ 86x, 862, 864, 865, 867, 871, 873, 874* 876, 878 to 8 8 0 - A ...... 995 — xoa4 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 839, 841 to 843, 849, 851, 852, 857, 860, 863,866,868 to 870, 872, 875, 877, 881 to 899 and 1 7 3 ...... 10*4— 34 Unstarred Questions Nos. 523 to 561 ...... 1035— 52 Daily D i g e s t ...... 1053—56 No, 20—Friday, iStkDecembft, I955. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 891, 893, 894, 896, 897, 899 to 905> 9H to 913, 9 i 5> 917. 919, 921 to 925 i 927 to 931, 933 . 935 to 940 . • • • 1057— 90 Short Notice Question No. 4 ...... 1090—92 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 890, 892, 895, 898, 906 to 910, 914,916, 918, 920, 926, 932, 934 ...... 1092— 99 Unstarred Questions Nos. 562 to 6 2 7 ...... XO99— 1136 Daily D i g e s t ...... 1 1 3 7 - ^ No, 21— Saturday, 17th December, 1955. , Oral Answers to Questions— . . Short N oticb Q uestions ^ Short Notice Question No. 5 ...... ZZ4Z—^44 Daily Digest ...... 1145—46 No. 22— Monday, 19th December, 1955• Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 944. 943, 945 to 948, 950, 95 i, 953 to 955 , 957 to 959, 961, 962, 964, 967, 969 to 971, 973, 975 ...... 1147— 76 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions kos. 94^ 942 , 949 , 952 , 95 ^, 960, 963, 965,966,968,972,974, 976, 977, 978 and 979 ...... 1x76— 83 Unstarred Questions Nos. 628 to 655 and 657 to 666 ...... 1x83— 1200 Daily D i g e s t ...... I20x— 04 No 2 1—Tuesday, 20th December, X955* Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 980 to 984, 986 to 988, 990 to 998, 1000, 1002 to loix . 1205— 35 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 985,989,999, looi, 1012 to 1044 . . . 1235— 52 Unstarred Questions Nos. 667 to 714 and 716 to 723 . . . . Z252—74 Daily Digest ...... X275— 78 No. 2^— Wednesday, 2lst December, X95 5- Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1045 to 1051,1055,1057,1059,1061 to 1067,1070 to 1072, 353, 1074, 1075, 1077, 1078, 1106, 1079 to 1 0 8 5 ...... 1279— 13x1 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1053,1054,1056,1058,1060, 1068,1069,1073,1076^ 1086 to 1105, H07 to 1119, 5 1 7 ...... 1311— Unstarred Questions Nos. 724 to 825, 825-A, 826 to 845, 845-A, 846 to 863 . 1328— 94 Daily D i g e s t ...... 1395— 1402 (vi) 0»LUMNS No, 25-^Thursdayi 22 nd December, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1120 to 1125, 1127 to 1136,1139 to 1151 . . I403~35 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1126, 1137, 1138, 1152 to 1162 . . . X435— Unstarred Questions Nos. 864 to 914, 916 to 934 and 934-A . . 1440--70 Daily D i g e s t ...... 1471—74

No. 26--Friday, 23rd Diumhtr, 1955. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1x63,1164, iz68, IX70> 1x72 to XX83, XX85 to XX90, 1x93 to X1 9 5 ...... I4M—*5®5 Short NancB Qubstions— Short Notice Questions Nos. 6 and 7 . . . . 1505—08 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. XX65 to XX67, XX69, XX7X, XX84, XX9 X, 1x92, 1x96 to X207 ...... 1508— 17 Unstarred Questions Nos. 935 to 995 > 995-A, 996 to xox2 and xox4 • * 15X7—54 DaUy D i g e s t ...... 1555—58 INDEX ...... I—*57 LOK SABHA DEBATES, ^ UtQU^ V» Part I-Qoesdons and A n s w e r ^ e o l a d ; 1057 1058 LOK SABHA Sl^ Abid Alii I do not think any organisation is recognised. In fact, there Fridayy i6th December, 1955 are only three factories and 1 ,3 ^ workers are there according to my iWhiuition. The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock Cattle and Crop Inturnnce [Air. Speaker in the Chair ] Schcm at ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS *893. Shri S. C. Samanut Will the Mi^Bter of Food and Agrfculture Labour Legiilation In Andaman* be pleased to state: (a) whether the Cattle and Crop *891. Sliri T. B. Vittal Raoi Will Insurance Schemes recommended by the Minister of L abour be pleased to this Minisiry have been considered by- state: tne Planning Commission; and (a) whether it is a fact that all Labour Lenslations obtaining in are not (b) if so, what has been the result ? enforced in the Andamans; and The DepuQr M ia^tar of Food and (b) if 80, the reasons therefor ? Agriculture (Shri M. V. KHshnappa): (a) and (b). Crop and Cattle Insurance The Deputy Minister of Labour schemes were considered by the Planning (Shri Abid AU): la) No. Commission but they were not approve (b) Does not arise. by them owing to the unwillingness of the State Governments concerned to share the Shri T. B. Vittal Raot May I know expenditure mainly on financial grounds whetner any official of the Ministry of and also due to certain operational diffi­ Labour visited these islands during the culties anticipated by the State Govern­ year and, if so, whether he has submitted ments. any report or made any recommendations ? S hri S. C Sam anta: May I know Shri Abid Alis No, Sir, I do not whether the State^ Governments were think any official of the Labour Ministry offered that a portion of the expenditure visited the Andamans during the last would be borne by the Centre ? year. But these Acts are administered by the staff of the Chief Commissioner in Shri M. V. Kriahnappai Yes, in the Andamans. - the first scheme we asked for their consent but none of them agreed. In the revised Shri T. B. Vittal Raox Do the Chief scheme we agreed to meet 50 per cent of Commissioner’s staff ever send any reports the expenditure that would be incurred regarding the implementation of the on the scheme. In spite of that they various Acts or violations of them just as have not agreed to the scheme. it is done here in the mainland by the various officials of the Ministry of Labour ? Shri S. C. Samanta; It is not a fact Shri Abid Alis So far I have not that in 1947 the hon. Food Minister gave received any particular report on this an assurance in Parliament that this ques­ subject, but there is no complaint also tion would be fairly dealt with and, if so, from the labour organisations in the what steps have Government taken in this Andamans, except one about the non­ regard ? implementation of the provision relating Shri M. V. Kriahnappa: It is only to the retrenchment clauses in the Indus­ on the assurance of the then Minister of trial Disputes Act. That complaint has Food and Agriculture, Dr. Rajendra Prasad, been referred back to the Chief Commis­ in 1947 that an officer by name Shri G. S. sioner and his report is awaited. Priolkar was appointed to go into the Shri T. B. Vittal Rent May I know question and submit a pilot scheme. He how many labour organisations there are submitted a pilot scheme in 1948. We which are recognised by the Chief Com­ sent that scheme to the various Govern­ missioner there? ments. 457LSD— I 1059 Oral Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Oral Answers io 6 o

S h i i S. C. Samanta: Is it not a fact that Mysore State is ready to implement («r) iTf^ TTRff the scheme if some aid is given to them ? ^ ^ w«TT mt snm^f Shrl M. V. KrUhnappa: As far as ^ ^hF sNr ^ ; *rtr I know, all the State Governments have shown their imwillingness in'this respect, but in the case of Mysore I require notice. ( ’t) it5 v i4 v^?nifTin' 9 rPT’Tr ?

Foodgraln Prlcci -?r»TT % »Tt mitted its report to Government; and I (b) if so, the main recommendations t thereof? *ft W : WT iTPlfnr The Deputy Minister of Food and % S T R ^ T J ^ JTTcr^rnft Agriculture (Shri M. V. Krithnappa): I ^W pTT^^iiim w Ti^vrfNHt- (a) No. T T W 5 7 as: ^ ^ $rf^ (b) Does not arise. *nft ?R> ^{{i i^hshr hi^h ^ 5^ fVT ^ ^ ^ JT-

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(»T) ^ TTsrf # ^ t I iftapn? w sfm : mvnfW W t I ^ ^ ^STRrT % ^ .1^ jfTOT ^ ’fPiT 5ft% ^ jftfer f, ^ ^ I s r ^ 5irfira- | : ^ 9 TH5’w n f ^ I Shri Chattopadhyava: 2Vlay I know ( I) m ^ ’ TW*' what the reasons are for not accepting these recommendations and whether any (Subadised) interim arrangement is likely to be made, ^ TT ^ I pending the receipt of the report of the Freight Structure Enquiry Committee? Shri Shahnawaz Khan: I would (^ ) !TT rrrHTwt ^ «fVT like to inform the hon. Member that already the . telescopic scales of freight operate 5 7 R 5rraT^ ^ ^ on railways for carrying coal. For the ftrSt 200 miles the rate is .3 pie per mile (Retting) ^’TT i pe maund, and for over 200 miles it is .1 pic. {\) 5TT?5T sfr# % ^ Pandit D. N. Tiwary: The hon. Par­ liamentary Secretary said that a telescopic (seed drill) ^ rate has been introduced. May I know whether tclescopic rate is the same thing (intercultural) snffspff % as pooled rate or is something different? f^nr

(^) fi(fir«r ^ fW t, ?*T% ifW w 3fr qnif I , ^ (ftingi and insea pests) ^ flHW sjT^fiT JTT 'iH 4>l WT^W ^ ( Biology) ^ I fi*iT I ^ Hi^Pl flw : ^ ^ w RtA firjfif fiw : A 'TPPTT !FT%P^^ ^n?PR 5T w r P p ^ n l ? npTT g f*i> ftnr ^pff If 1^5 tTT5T mJ TWmn w i: WTmcT ? r m f T Ir » f t t ifir 1 1 5TRnsr !fT H5T UK anr 5P»r «mft s!|lf f»T%»iT >PT t?^\s 5 ^ dHWli ^ »rf I ^rronr ^ U '* »w *nff jp f^ I I ^»TT «rk tv 5 ^ ?rr 5n ^ «i5t *rrn»?r ^ ^ 1 g # T r ^ PT «ftr t ’?® t I mwiaff WTwnr^ >rf I gtIT Shri L. N. M bhra: : I want to know ^ ^ ^ iftr ftnpr whether Government have fixed tarfl^ti for quality jute and, if so, what is th€ # ?rnFTw ^ I target and what is the time by which Government expect to attain those targets ? Shri A* P. jains In the Second Five Year Plan the main emphasis Will be laid on the improvement of quality. # ^ srn rr ftp ?rr5nwShri L. N. Mishrax May I know the requirement of quality jute. ’TT, 5Tt A ^T’HT j P f WT M r. Speaker: Order, order. f? R nrm v ^TTST f in «T>ft Shri N. B. Chowdhury: May I know i f t r v f W 9 HT«rsrriNf whether the question of a reasonable price M an incentive to increase production h«»

T he Parliimieiitary Secre$Mrj f Shri Veeraewamy: I want to know the Ae MlAister of lUUwayt Mid T rm port answer in English. (Shrl ShahnMrsB Kluui)x (a) 13. Shfi T. S« A. Chettiart Mi>y I know (b) 2. the answer to clause (b)? (c) Matriculation or iti equivalent. M r. Speakers A statement is laid on the Table. S hri D. C. Sluirm «: May I know National Saving Certiflcatee how this number compare® ^ th the number obtainable in other railway zone$? is *9oa. Shrlm ati Maydeo : Will the it not a fact that the number of paasei^r Minister ot Communications be pleas­ j^ides on the Northern Railway is a little ed to State: less than on other railways? (a) the investments made through National Savings and National Plan 8lu*l Shaknawsx Khaax I dp not Certificates during the half year beginning think so; but for a precise reply, I shall from January, 1955; and require notice. (b) the additional steps that are Shri D. C. Sharmat May I know being taken to increase such invest­ how many of these passenger guides are ments? ladies and how many i^re gisnUcmen ? The Deputy Minister of Communi­ cations (Shri KaJ Bahadur): (a) and „ Shti Shsluwwu Khaai They $t$ all males. (b). A statement is placed on the Table of the Lok Sabha. Appendix V, S hri D« C. S harm at Is itmot a fact Anncxure No. 45]* that ladies at railway stations need more Shrlmati Mavdeo: May I know assistance than gentlemen and^ if so, why what iavestmeats from these ate in certl* are lady passenger guides not appointed? fiates worth Rs. 100 or less and how niuch in Rs. 500 and above so that I may know Shri ShahaawajB Khmttt I think the how much money has come m m the hon. Member can depend on gentlemen lower income groups and villages and jod^^^iides who are there alwayi to help ho\( much from rich people ? Shri Raj Bahadur : I cannot give The Minister of Railwave and the break-up according to the value of T ran ep o n (^kri L. $haatH )i I am the certificates purchased beipause the aorry there has been tome mistake in the denominations in which they are sold are reply given. There are lady paitenger many ranging from Rs. ^ Rs. 10^ Rs. so^ guides. They are a few in number and Rs. 100, Rs. 500 up to Rs. 5C00 and for we do want to increase their number at National Plan Cerifi^tes from Rs. 5 to various stations. Rs. 10, Rs. Z5 upto Rs. 500. Shrimati Maydoe: May I know how much money has been spent by Govcn- ment for propaganda of these Katiooal Savings Certificates. S|)riIUi| M w 4iv: I do not hjje that infonnadoiii ft wul be fy«ilab|« ft# n# enrmfvT jiw ?rwr vc;y with the nnuu^ Miniitiy. V V fq r Shrlmati Maydeo: May I kno« what MWUBt was ^ Have Governmcnc ^ ^ ^ t ; any targets for 1956 for the scheme? (w) irft ff at gir

(b ) if 80, the date from which they ^ have been appointed? * The Deputy M lnltter of Communi-* f w *fhc ^ cations (Shri Ra) Bahadur) t (a) Yes, ^ ^ Sir. (b) 1-10-1955. S h rim atl 11a Palchoudhury i May I know on what terms and for what period ^ : viT has this: German Airline been appoin­ ^ I Pp qz^iT ted our agent for Air India International ? Shri Ral Bahadur : It is usual for t he »FIT •fit international Airlines to appoint corres­ ^ftWJTT ponding Airlines in other countries as their booking agents. In many cases, ^ IRRTT t »TT^ Air India International is the booking agent for other international airlines. It is on mutual and reciprocal terms that these agencies are given to one another. •ft i r t : ?it Shrimatl Ha Palchoudhury : M iR f t v t f q«Pi>T w wff May I know whether it is cheaper to have our own offices, in view of what the Prime I vfffv 5fr*rr Minister said that we should deal directly? 'IT « m r The AiUiilfter of Comsnunicatioiit (Shri Jag)ivan Ram): In our country t ' it may be possible to have our own offices but in other countries where we touch RAabilitatlon of the Handicapped only one or two points it is not feasible or cheaper to start our own agencies or *905. Sardar Hukam Singh : Will offices all our that Country If we appoint the Minister of H ealth be pleased to state: one internal airline of that country as our agent we get the advantage of the network (a) whether any U. N. Experts have of their branches throughout that country. been assigned to a demonstration project for the rehabilitation of the handicapped; Ghat .At Pataa and *904. Babu Ramnarayan Singh t (b) if so, the names of such expert* Will the Minister of R ailw ays be pleased and of the countries they come from? to state whether Government nave received any recommendations from the Bihar Go­ The M inister of Health ORafkumari vernment for the provision of pcrma- 1 (a) Yes. ment ghat at Patna in N.E. Railway? Amrit, Kaur) The Parliamentary Secratefy to the M lnltter ofRail ways and Transport (b) Names of experts Nationality (Shri Shahnmwaz Khan) : Yes, Sir. 1. Mr. Sidney Robbins Admini- U. S. A* nistrator Vocational Expert. w w T w n n n n j 2. Mile. Francoise Lamote, Belgium. ^ «Rrr X • Occupational Therapist. 3. Mr Robert McAdam, Pyhsi- Norwe­ -?ft gian. cal Therapist.

•FT rl^ ^ I jtj Sardar Hukam Singh : Are they re­ quired for any particular period for which me assignment is made or would they con-- tinue as long as they are needed ? R ajkum ari - Amrit* Kaur t These experts have been allotted in the first ins­ tance for one 3’car. This fs a training centre and we are hopinK t9 have our own mipiwni fit : *1^ iwiH. people trained under them'. Y« If ^jsiirr *r5rr «rr i gw a w r '- Sardar Hukam Singh 1 How many persons have been taken on for trailing by if^TT '(cHI !Ffhf % Hicfl - these experts for the present? Ora! Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Oral Answers

R:lIJkumari Amrit Kaur : That 'flIT will depend on the States' response and ~) atf.f~ ~ : r~ how many they arc willing to send. W iiffif CfiT '~mGj 1(1'1 ~ ~ ~ f.f; Shrimati Ita Palchoudhury : May m~ if \iIGf ~ ~ ~ ¥j,{1lf"lt11ctT I know if tne se experr s deal with mental hadicaps or just physical handicaps? ~ TlT R~ ~ tr liFT ~if Centre is purely for rhe orthopae d ically "a~dical'pcd. . ~ q<: f.f;"I'W~ ~ W ~? ~T~~~: ~~ .' ~ii~l ~TlT ~ ~ tr ~q ~ "'Wftr~it~~al~~ it; TlT rn ~ ~ ~;;rnft~lIT ~~~ fuTlT ~ ~ tr ;;nr l1iTlT ~ ~ tr;;nr +fi'lr;f ~ CfiT"{1If ~,~ qm 'iTo ~o f~ : w ~ ~ ~ i'f@ f1:R;r tffif; ~ ~~~~f.f;~~~ if ~.~ ~ ~ \;fT ~ ~ ¥IT ('tJ) TlT ~ ~ tr - ~o ~ ~rr ~: The ~ ~ "fTlfT q<: ~ f.f;rrrG!m reply to part (b) of the Question is nr-t clear. The question was whether it is t I also a fact that names are invited only from -- 1071 Oral Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Oral Answers 1072 the employment exchange of that adminis­ trative district where headquarters of a w m f f ir *Wt («ft t?o particular Railways district are located, ^ ): (if) ?t, JTft and the reply was: * T T f ^ ^ ^ § I ■

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W i*rrt ^ • 15 JRIT^ ^ fW GsoBavarum AerodroiiM ^ ftr : •#i*. Shrt B. S. Mi*riJiy « Will th« Minister of ' CommimlcatloM . . . .b« . (V) iRT %^^R>|!KW fwr to MAte: (^ whether any representation ha* b m v p s g R W W received for mak^g the Gaunavarum (Vi- }ayaw«dli) aerodC > m c4ar haltiogplaoe, for planes from and to Calcutta and Modraa; ( ^ ) 5!', ' 8 *1^ WT (b) if so, the action token in this regard; and m -. ^ (c) the arrangements made to run shuttle air aorrtce between Vijayawodai Madws« (*r) Art 8VIT K unt^ and Hyderabad? W HiphH fWl a(TST tflr Th« Depntr Mialater of ComoMfd<- trnOnm (««^ »Mt B|»lw4«r) i {(o) ¥os> ir f i w 4P V if pDani ^RIT t ? Sir. 1073 Oral Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Oral Answers 1074

Cb) and (c) . The traffic potential at Vijayawada does not justify its being in­ cluded as a ^eg^lar halting placc for planes from and to Calcutta and Madras, but the India Airlines Corporation are considering the question of operating a feeder service — Madras-Vijayawada-Hyderabad. Shri B. S. M urthy x Ma^ I know the •ft Tnr 15 V * % reasons for thinking that Vijayawada has not got the transport potentiality for pro­ ITTT ^ ^ 3PfT I viding such a connection like this ? M r. Speaker : I think he explained ift ifte ito ^ : WR that there is not sufficient traflSc. V tf ^T8T W TOT Shri B. S. M urthy i He did not say that. Shri Rmi Bahadur : I said that. •ftTOfHTfT: I Shri T. B . Vittal Rao : What is the approximate estimate made on which this PorbUia Colliery •conclusion was arrived at about the density obtaining at Bezwada ? ^ S hri P . C. Bopat Will the Mim^^i^ter of L abour be pleased to state: Shri Ra) Bahadur : It is estimated .that every halt of an air service costs ai (a) whethar Pori^lia cqiliery which much as Rs. 500 and we should have traftc was s^ ed 09 last year due to UA4er-groimd emanating for a place or a halt to such an fire, has been re-op^ed; ...... extent that the service pay* its way. (b) if so, whether it is fit for resumption T^epho f Conaectioai (Almora of mining operation j and P ittrk t) (c) whether the workers retrenched •915 « Shri B. D. Pande: WiU th have been or will >e re-employed ? Minister of Commuiiicationt be pleased . The Deputy Miuiater of Labaur to state: (S b ri Alild m i (a) No. (a) whether there is a proposal to (b) It is not yet fit for resumption and have telephone connections extended tQ Pithoragraph town in the Almora Pistrict; there is Uttle chance of resuming normal workat the Mine Cor anochcr 6 to 8 months. and (b) whether there are proposals to (c) According to the information avail- have telegraph lines extended to Kausani, kble, out of about 3200 workers employed •Garur, Bageiwar md Kaptkote in this kt the time of x^otureof the mine, about 1900 District ? have been absor>bed at odjer collieries owned by the Company and about 300 on the sur­ The D.eputy Miqiater o f C oqunanl- face in cotlnectioa with operations for ^ationa (Shri )t («) Yes. re-opening of thfc mine. About 750 (b) Telegraph Offices have l>een sanc­ persons who have gone^o their homes are tioned for Bageswar^ Kausani and Garur, expected to be absorbed the various •on the basis of guarantee fiiniiiihed by the mines of the Company when t;hcy return State Oovernmenti there it no proposal to work. About 250 workers may have for Kapkote. no prospect of re-employment under the company in the near future. They may be Shri B. D. Paades Do Qoftmment absorbed when the colliery is re-opened. know that these areas are on oia Tibetan border and that telephdne and telegraph S hri P. C . Boaet May I know, when facilities i^e a necessity >tt\ere ^ not a the mine was not ojpened Mow was it ascer­ luxury ? ' tained that in world take six months to ce- open it ? S h ri RflJ B ahadur s I think the hon. Member has nothing to desire now because ShriAhidAUt That if the opinioa these have been all sanctioned except for of the Chief tn i^ to r of Minaii. Kapkote. ShriT.8. VittalRaoi Whenthemines were orimnatly inapected $iter the fire period? the Chief Inspector said that the inines could be opened after six months. Now it U a$ain thig from now on it will tak^ n^onth^ Could I the re*. Plid p^iod. 1075 Answert 16 DECEMBER 1955 . Oral Answers 1076

S h r i Abid Alls So loDg as the fire con­ (b) if so, how many applications tinues and it is risky for the workers to go have been considered and with what into them, certainly they should not be ope­ results ? ned, whatever may be the period. He Hiay change his opinion from time to time The Parliamentary Secretary to according to the requirements of the the Minister of Railways and Transport existing situation. (Shri Shah nawas Khan): (a) Yes. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao; May I know (b) Two applications have so far been he reason for this fire ? What was the received, both of which are under considera­ ^:au8 e of fire? tion by the * ex~ojfficio Claims Commis­ sioner. Shri Abid Ali: Natural causes. Shri Sanganna: May I know the lives Recnaitmettt of Doctors in of how many victims have been insured M an ip u r tod will the compensation payable by the insurance companies be set off against the *919* Shri Riahang Kcithing t WiU compensation paid by the Railway Adminis* the Minister of H ealth be pleased to sUte: tration ? (a) the number of doctors recruited by the Government of Manipur during the Shri Shahnawaz Khan: We n r no mformation about their insurance years 1954-55 1955-56 so far; and policies. (b) the scale of pay paid to them ? The Minister of Health (lUJkumari Shri Sanganna May I know whether i (a) Two (Class III) in 1954­ the award given by the Clamis Commissioner Amrit Kaur) will be final or an appeal will lie against 55 and six in 1955-56 so far. that ? (b) Rs. 100-10-130 (EB) -6-190 (EB) Shri Shahnawas Khant It is final as — 10-250. far as the railways are concerned. If the claimant is not satisfied with the award o f Shri Rishang Keishing t May 1 theQaims Commissioner, he can go to the know the number of LMP's and MBBs* High Court. among the recruited doctors and how their pay scales compare with the existing Shri Sanganna: May I know whether sc^es of pay in the neighbouring States? the hon. Deputy Minister has made any Rajkumari Amrit Kaur 1 They com­ enquiries during his visit? pare favourably with the existing scales. The trouble is that a sufficient number Shri Shahnawaz Khan: The hon^ of local men with the requisite qualifications Deputy Minister is not here. are not available and unfortunately there is a poor response from outside. But recently we have improved the pay scales All-India Service of Medical College and we hope that we shall get a more favour­ Teachers able response. *922. Dr. Ram Subhag Singh( Will Shri Rishang Keishing e Is it not the Minister of H ealth be pleased to» a fact that the pay that is given to the doctor state: in Manipur is the lowest in the whole of India and if so, do the Government pro­ (a) whether it is a fact that Govern­ pose to take any action to give them a ment propose to create an AU-India Service of Medical Cbllege Teachers;, reasonable pay? and Ralkumari Amarit Kaur> I have abeady said that we have increased the scales of (b) if so, whether any plan has been pay for doctors in Manipur with a view prepared in this regard? ’ to getting men to apply for the posts. The Minister of Health (Ra)kumaH: Amrit Kaur): (a) and (b). The matter Railway Accldenta is under consideration in consultation with *921, Shri Sanganna: Will the the State Governments, Minister of R ailw ays be pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred Question Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: May I know No. 1100 on the 24th August, 1955 in whether there is any proposal to hare respect of Train accident regarding 141 recruitment to this service made through down Madras Puri passenger on 5th the Public Service Commission jiist like- August, 1955 and state: the IAS, etc. ? (a) whether any applications for Rafkumari Amrit Kaur: The whblt' compensation have since been received matter is under consideration but I believe from the dependants of the victims; that all these appointments do come Under' and the Public Semce Commission. 1077 Orat Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955

Madras Rangoon Steamer Service Telep'rone EXC3:ln;e at Purne

'"91.3. Shri C. R. Narasimhan: Will .• 924. Sari P. G. Sen: W'il1 the Minis - the Minister of Transport be pleased ter of Comm anicatlons be pleased' to state: to state:

(a) whether the attention of Govern- (a) whether the arrangement for ment has been drawn to a report in the the opening of a Telephone Exchanges "Mail" dated the znd December, 1955 at Purnea has been completed; and that the steamer service between Madras and Rangoon has been interrupted and that (b) if not, the reasons for the delay? representations are being made for restora- tion of a satisfactory service between the The Deputy Minister of Com- two places; and munications (Shri RaJ Bahadur): (a) A Telephone Exchange at Purnea wall' (b) what consideration the matter is opened on 11-8-55 and its capacity ill going to be increased further. receiving? (b) Does not arise, The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Railways and Transport Shri P. G. Sen: Is it a fact that (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) and (b). according to the present arrangements, A statement is laid on the Table of the Lok no call can be made before 10 A. M. on Satur- Sabha.· [See Appendix V, Annexure No. days and Sundays? 46]. Shri RaJ Bahadur: It is a regular Shri C. R. Narasimhan: Are the exchange and the working hours may be Government aware that the absence of a fixed according to the needs. I am no regular service at certain fixed intervals quite sure about the hours during which between Madras and Rangoon is causing this particular exchange functions. great hardship and that the small boat Sona- vati now plying rolls and pitches far too much for passenger comfort? Air Strips in Kangra and Kulu Valleys Shri Shahnawaz Khan: We are fully aware of that and every endeavour is being *91.5' Shri Hem Raj: Will the Minis- made by the Ministry of Transport to pro- ter of Communications be Plcesed cure a suitable ship. . to refer to the reply given to Stnrrcd Question No. 1333 on the 22nd March Shri C. R. Narasimhan: I was asking 1955 and sta;e : about the necessity of fixed interval services. (a) whether the survey fr>T 'h, con- strucion of air-strips in rhe Kanan- ~nd Shri Shahnawaz Khan: Of course Kulu Valleys has been cornpleu-d ; and the necessity is there. We are trying to secure a suitable ship. (b) if not, when it is likely to be Shri C. R. Narasimhan: There completed? might be a service .once in a way. It is considered better by the passengers to have The Deputy Minister of Communi-. the dates known before hand. cations (Shri RaJ Bahadur): (a) On the basis of the survey so far under; ak('n Mr. Speaker: In reply to that he has only the site of Bhunrar in the Kulu ValJey' said there are not sufficient number of ships. appears suitable, and it is being made fit for a test landing by Heron aircraft. None Shri C. R. Narasimhan: Whatever of the sites surveyed in Kangra, Valley has ·1 they have, they can run at fixed intervals. been found suitable. However, further Are arrangements being made for that? search for possible sites continues. (b) Does not arise. Shri Shahnawaz Khan: The ship that was plying on this route--Sonavati- Shri Hem Raj; May r know hy what has been withdrawn for carrying out certain time the survey so far as Kangra Valley is surveys and repairs. That will be put concerned will be completed? into commission from February 1956. We hope that from that date there will be a regular service. Shrl Raf Bahadur: I have submitted that we had already made a preliminary Shri B. S. Murthy: May I know survey and the SHes that had been pointed whether the ship plying from Madras to out to us had not been found suitable for Rangoon has been diverted to other ports constructing an aerodrome. Whenever we in Malaya? get another site which may reasonably appear to be worthwhile, we shall consider Shri Shahnawaz Khaa: No, Sir. that. 1I 1079 Oral Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Oral Atuvttrs lo8o M iri X. B. V ittal R mm Under A e provi^ons of the Minea Afit » the Mines •mxT. Shrl T. B. VitUl R*o« Will Board there should be rcpreicjitstivies of the Hfinister of L abou r be pleased to the Workers* Association. May I know refer to the reply which central aasociation has sent its tion No. 241 on the 29th July, i 955 «nd representative to this Mines Board ? state; S h rl A bid Alit Tliis question pertains to the regulations. In ease the hon. (a) when the emergency regulations Member wants detailed information with under the Indian Mines Act, 195 ^ will regard to the composition of the Minet be promulgated: Board, certainly, I would require separate (b) when they will be enforced; and notice. (c) the steps taken for their imple­ Shri Baaappa: May I know whether the Government is aware of the defective mentation ? rules under the Mines Act which have The Deputy Mlnlater of Labour led to a lot of misunderstanding between (Shrl Abld All): (a) and (b). The ^ e r - the Government of Mysore and the mine gency Regulations called as Coal Mines owners and which has resulted in depriving (Temporary) Regulations I955 . have ^,en the Mysore Government of a large revenue promulgated and camc into force with effect in the matter of the manganese mines? from the sth Novemb(?r, i 955 - S hri A bid AUt Nothing of that kind has come to our notice. (c) Mines Inspectorate who res­ ponsible for the implem;ntation of the Shri T. B. Vittal Raot May I know provisions of the Indian Mijics Act, 1952* when the Minet Board was constituted ? and rules and regulations framc(i under look after th: im?lem?ntation 01 Shrl A bid Alit With regaid to Mines th'se R-jgulations also. Pjrosecutions will Board, I )>ave already atked for notice. be instituted, as ptr cases where violations of the regulations Farm Meefcanlaatioe (Traiainf) are observed. *fa8. Shri Jhulan Sinha: Will the Minister of F009I and Agriculture be S h rl T. 9 . V ittal Rap; pleased to stai^e whether Government emergency regulatiops. May I know havjc tent any persojipel for training when the regulations will be promula^wd at the Technical Meeting and Train­ as Contexnplatcd under the Min^s Act? ing Centre on £u7n mechanisation ai>d workshop problems under the auspices S h ri A bld A li: The question had of die F.A.O. at Amparai in Ceylon t^iii already been referred to the S t ^ Govern­ year? ments and the Mines Board. U lis wiH be coijsidercd by them and a reply m il bfi The Deputy Minlater of Fopd w d received from them in January and Feb­ Agriculture (Shri M. V. Kri^nappa)? ruary, 1956 respectively. Then tl^c uv^l Two Officers were deputed for training at nrocedure will be gone through. I t^ i* this centre. fn all it should take about a year more. Shrl Ihulan Sluhat May I know from whidi p- at the country these officers Shrl T. B. Vittal Rfot Tl^e ))oq. hailed and if there is any programme for Deputy Minister said thfit thc|e rc(nij|i- Such training in the country itself? tions were referred to a Mines Bovd. How many Mines Boards have been constituted ? S h ri MfV. KriahiMipjpai Yes. One of the Officers is from the Central Tractor Organi­ S h rl A bld A lli I may require notice sation . We selected one O fficer from Uttair to give the exact number. Pradesh and one from Hyderabad, tlie Officer was not released by S h rl T. B. V ltta! Rmot The hon. that Government as his services were Deputy Minister just now stated th^t the urgently required by the Sute and matter has been referred to the State Govern­ Officer from Hyderabad went with o^r ments. May I know^wljjcb a^e th# Officer. State Governments that H ye sent replies to far and which are the State G(^yem- Thefts and Dacoltlee Qn Railwajre ents that have not tent any reply ? Pandit D. N. TIwimt; Will Abld All: The repliet are asked the Mtnitttr of Railwim be pleased to the 15th of January, 19J6 refer to th^ infrrmatiop f^ishpd i^ rfglj to the Coal Mines Reguli^ns and to Unttarred Q^'<"stioi| 5j6 op tfie lotft ite Oovemments have'to tend repliei N o ^ b e r , 195 % and letc wftftlwfr th^^ . X$th February, 1955s with reMrd to it a proposal to extend the railway Kon^Coil Mines Regulations. lion police force on all trains? tdSi Oral Answers l(t DECfifyiBEft 1955 Oral Answers 1082 Th« Pttrilameatary Secretary to Tke Depots MIttleter of Food and the MUikter of Rail ways and Transport A^ciiltiife (Shrl M. V« Kriiluiappa)s ( S W S h d m n w a s ltkan)s No, Sir. ; N. Hwtry: May I know b) Promising areas in the States of whether it has come to the notice of the M a£iras, a Andhra, West Bengal, Punjab, Government that all the thefts and dacoities Uttar Pradesh^ Madhya Pradesh, Bhopal, are committed in those trains which hare BombayjJCutchi Saurashtra, Orissa. BilUr, no ? Assam, Travancore-Cochin, Rajastrum and PEPSU. Shti ShaliMWax Khant It is not so; all the thefts and dacoities that tike place are not confined exclusively to the trains which are not escorted by the Protec­ •ft finjfif ftm : w ^ tion Force. fPT TOTK WFff m P an d it D. N. Tiw ary: May I know 'sft ftr ^ ^ f what percentage of thefts and dacoities that are committed in railway trains take plape in the trains which are given Railway Protection Force and what percentage in the trains that have no Protection Force? •ft : Shrl Shahnawaa Khani In 1954-55 ^ ^ VCilft ^ I the number of thefts committed in trains which had Railway Protection Force was 446 and thefts com^tted in trains without any Protection Force was 3020. Pandit D. N. ll#aryi I could not hear the hon. Patliamentary Secretary. armr % I Did he say that the thefts committed in those trains which has the Railway Protec* tion Force was 4000? •ft f»W : WT Mr* Speakers N o; he said 400 and odd. ?HTT % Pp . Pandit D. N. Tiw ary: May I know ^ 'Tf?TT i , whether this disparity of 400 and 3000 is insignificant to the hon. Parliamentary Secretaiy and whether he is going to arrange something to protect the passengers of those trains in whi<^ so many dacoities ifto and thefts are committed? ir?!T Pbt: i ShriShahnawasKhan: The organisa­ tion known as the Railway Protection Police Mr. Speaker : Order, order. which escorts trains is purely a temporary organisation. It was introduced soon after Artificial Insemination Centres the war in certain States like Bihar, Bengal, (Punjab) Uttar Pradesh and Orissa. We hope, Sir, that as the conditions return to normal *931. Shri D. a Sharnaa: Will tne this Force will not be required any longer. Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state: Shri Chattopadhyaya: May I know if any investigation has been carried out in U) the number of Artificial Insemi­ connection with the theft of the belongings nation Centres opened so far in the Punjab of Shri Rajabhoj and Snrimati Parvati of State and their locations; the Rajya Sabha and if so what are the findings ? (b) the financial aid pven to the Punjab Government for these Centres Mr. Speaker t Order, order. That in 1954-55; is for the Police to enquire. (c) whether any arrangements have Tube-W eUs been made to open m3re centres there; (d) if so, their number and their *930. ShHBibhtitiMishra: Will the Minister of Food and |AgricuItiire be locations; pleased to state: (e) whether the Central Government (a) whether Government is investi- receive any reports from the Sute Govern­ mting promising areas where to base ment on the working of these centres; their future tube-well programmes; and and (f) if so, \i^cn the last report was (b) if so, the names of those places ? received? 108 3 Oral Answers 16 DECEMBER 1055 Oral Answers 1084 The Deputy IViinlster of Food and C ancer Agrioikure (Shri NL V. Krithaappa): (a) S ix t h e y are located as follows :— *’933 - Shrimati Ha Palchoudhury: Will the Minister of Health be pleased 1. Government Livestock Farm, Hissar. to refer to the reply given to Starred 2. Government Dairy Farm, Chandigarh^ Question No. 2693 on the 28th April, 3. Veterinary Hospital, Phillaur, I955jflnd state what steps have been taken to educate the rural population in regard to 4. Veterinary Hospital, Ludhiana^ symptoms and dangers of Cancer ? 5. Gaushala, Rewari, 6. Khalsa College, Amritsar, The Minister of Health (Rafkumarl Amrit Kaur) t The Central Health (b) Rs. 53,392 , Education Bureau was constituted only on the 2nd of September, 1955 and recruit­ (c) Arrangements for opening more ment of the gazetted staff has not yet been centres during the Second Plan period are done. Stc,ps to educate the rural population vunder consideration. in regard to symptoms, and dangers of (d) Will be decided by the State Govern­ cancer will be taken up when the Bureau ment in due course. gtarts functioning with its full complement of staff. (e) Yes. Shrimati Ila Palchoudhury : May (f) ist October, 1955. I know if the Govemriient will consider the question of showing documentary films to Shri D. C. Sharmat May I know give the rural population instructions by how much money the Government of India audio-visual methods? ii spending on the centres all over India and hoW much of it is going to the Punjab ? Rajkumari Amrit Kaur : Primarily the education of the rural p^mulation comes Shri M. V. Krishnappat In Punjab under the purview of the State Govern­ we have contributed Rs. 53,392 for 1954-55 ments. But when the Bureau starts function­ and a provision of Rs. 77,000 has been ing we shall try to produce films of variotis types and Cancer also will be one of the made for 1955-56. subjects. Shri D. C. Sharmas May 1 know what reasons are there that these centres Houses for Coal Mine Workers have not been opened in Hoshiarpur, *935. Babu Ramnarayan Singh: Kangra and Gurdaspur? Will the Minister of L ab o u r be pleased to state: Shri M. V. Krishnappa: These areas will be selected in the next Five (a) whether some houses construct­ Year Plan. The six farms that have been ed out of Coal Mines Labour Welfare selected are working very well and there is Funds are not being occupied by a proposal to take it to other important workers; and jjldces under the Se(»nd Five Year Plan. (b} if so, the number and cost of such houses and the steps that are being S hri D. €• S harm a: Is it not a fact taken to popularise them? that the Government of India have a plan under contemplation under which these The Deputy Minister of Labour centres are going to be opened in each ( Shri Abid Ali ) : (a) Yes. Tehsil? (b) About 700 houses costing approxi­ Shri M. V. Krishnappa; Ultimately, mately 30 lakhs constructed in a township I think, the proposal is to extend it to all at Bhuli have remained un-occupied so far. the community projects. ' In order to remedy this, employers and workers concerned have been contacted; feeder roads have been opened; transport- facilities arranged; rent concession grant­ ed and special welfare amenities have been provided.

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^ f «tV^ 'JwO? t I •ft : JTTyiHlr % Shri Ramchandra Reddi x May I ’jw 'travf, wf^- know the distance between the mine area v r d ^ II? JTf?rer>r srrar and these buildings and also whether all the amenities have been provided in these I ? ' quarters for enabling the labourers to occupy them? >po : s^irfsrePT Shri Abid All: All prossible ameni­ ties have been provided. The minimum 3rrarr t ? distance between the mine area and these quarters is two miles. w«m : ir? Jrfw^ Tfr ^ Shri T. B. Vittal Rao : May I know whether the scheme for the construc­ firrr ^rrar ^ tion of quarters for the coal-miners has been finalised, because the Minister said ^rrar ^ ? six months ago that a new scheme for the construction of houses for miners is under consideration ? •ft tn r Jrftren»r The Minister of Labour ( Shri iFK^^FT % f*Hf Khandubhai Desai ) t A new acheme w n ff 'IT fiPIT 3TRIT I I has already been placed before the Plan­ ning Commission and we are trying to make a provision for constructing houses •ft Vo iftp ; q? srftRfT in the next Five Year Plan under the new scheme. According to the new scheme, 'Tn>< ?rnf gJT snNrfriTf ^ houses will be built in a cluster of 20 to 30, near the sites after consulting the employers srrar t ? and employees in those particular mines. I think that will solve, to a certain extent, the housing problem in the mining area. « ftT W « lfl^ T : STftrSTT TT ^ ?fr5nm^?raTT?5TT^ I mWrRiffvt vfirfriif *Pi stftwnjr w r w f *rc fw fw sRiR vr sTfwyr

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C eatral Rice Research Institute (c) what were their acreages during the year 1954-55? * 937 * SliH Smngftima: Will the Min­ ister of Food and Agrisuftiire be The Deputy Minister of Food and pleased to refer to the reply given to Agriculture (Shrl M. V. Krlshnappa) t Starred Question No. 90 on the 26th (g) Though there has been a decline in July, 1955 in respect of the Central Rice ^ e acreages under Bajra and Maize, Research Institute, Cuttack and sute: it is not possible to state whether this was due only to fall in their prices. The (a) whether any of the recommenda­ decline in area under these crops has been tions made by the Committee appoint­ attributed by the State Governments ed to investigate into the adequacy or generally to unfavourable weather condi­ otherwise of the establishment and equip­ tions at the time of sowing and to late ment of the Central Rice Research Insti­ rains. tute have since been accepted and imple­ mented ; and (b) and (c). A statement is laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha. Appendix (b) if so what these recommendations V, annexure No. 47 ]. are and the action taken on them ? Dr. Ram Subhag Singh : May I Tke^nmpnty Mlniater of Food and know whether the final estimates forthcse Aniciiitwe ( Shri M. V. Kritbiiappa)t crops have been prepared this year ? W and (b). A copy of the Report of the ShHM.V. Krlshnappa: They have Expert Committee on Reorganisation of not yet been prepared. Agricultural Institutes has been placed in the Library of the Sabha. The recom­ S h ri H eda : May I know the fall in mendations of the Expert Committee have prices in these three crops in the course oeen generally accepted. The implement­ of the last one year? . ation is being taken in hand. S h rl M , V. Krlshnappa t In the last Slttl Sanganna: May I know whether one and a half years, the fall in these coarse it IS a fact that among the recommendations crops has been up to 35 per cent, taking or the Committee, there is a proposal to into account the prices prevailing two appomt one Administrative Officer and, years ago. If 80 , what are the qualifications that the Shrl Bansllal : May I know whether Administrative Officer has to possess ? any standard seeds have been provided for Rajasthan in respect of jowar, bazra and Shrl M . V. Krlsliamirpa t A copy maize ? Of the report of the Committee has been jwpt in the library of the Lok Sabha . S hri M. V. Krlshnappa i Rajasthan The recoipnendations have, in fact, been grows one of the best varieties of jowar aw pted tn toto. We have also to consult in India. the respective departments for making «ny adjustments in the staff and that is Dr. Ram Subhag Singh : The hon. Deputy Minister has just now said that X S o a Rajasthan is growing one of the best varie­ ties of jowar in India. May I know how „v,May I know far that statement is true, because, just now, Whether the Committee has recommended he has said that the State Governments any provision for the establishment of have intimated to the Government of institutions for the development of fruit India that the fall in acrease in these three industry ? . crops is largely due to bad weather, etc. Shri M. V. Krlshnappa : The S hrl M. V. Krlshnappa x The hon. report is placed in the library of the Lok Member, Shri Bansilal, asked the question Sabha. whether any good variety of iowar seeds Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member has been supplied to Rajasthan . My may refer to the report as to what^he recom­ reply was that Rajasthan grows one of the mendations are. * best varieties of jowar in the country. All India Industrial Tribunal (Col­ Cultivation of Jowar, Bajra and Ma^se liery Disputes) *938. Dr. Ram Subhag Singh : Will the Minister of Foodiand A gri- •9J9. Shrl T. B. Vlttal Rao : Will be pleased to state: the Mmister of L abour be pleased to culture state: (a) whether it is a fact that the decline in prices have aflfected the acre­ (a) whether the All-India Industrial ages of JifwaTi Bajra and Maize during Tribunal ^Colliery Disputes) have since the current year; given their award; i.b) if so, what are the estimated (b) if not, the stage at which the acreages of these crops during the current proceedings before the Tribunal stand; years and and 1089 Oral A im otn 16 DECEMBIR 1958 Oral Antw rn 1090

(c) when the Award is likely to be received by Government? The D«piity Minister of Labour <8hri AbidAfi)! (a) No. ftrPnr ^ v % ^ v

(b) Evidence has been completed and I lihmfrr ftrPnr the sta« for arguments was to nave been ii*pr reached on the 15th December, 1955. (c) By about the end of February 1956. IT ^ 1 1 Shfi T. B. Vittid Rag t May I I I know, in view of the fact that this tribunal was constituted nearly two years ago> what steps are being taken by the Govern­ ment to announce their decision on the award as soon as it is received? I put Short Notice QucttloM this question because thistribonal oovera A nd A nw en about 900 collieries and 3,25,000 workers. T h t Miniatsr of Labour (Shri Khan- dubhai Detai) : It is true that the tribunal was constituted about two years Sngar Cane Price in U.P. back. But unfortunately, for about a year, the tribunal could not function because of the strained relations between S. N. Q. No. 4th Shri Bishwn Nath the various members of the tribunal. The Roy s Will the Minister of Food and tribunal had to be reconstituted in Febru- Agriculture be pleased to state: *ry> 1955 * So, they have been able to do the work during the last nine months, (a) whether it is a fact that the price- and they have now completed the evidence rate of sugarcane has been reduced in some and the argiiments are being going on. We districts of Uttar Pradesh for the current hope that we will get the award very soon, season; and as soon as we get the award there will be no hesitation in gazetting it. (b) if so, whether Government have chani^ their policy regarding fixing of Shipping sugarcane price-rate; and

*940. Shri Bibhuti Mlahra t (c) the number of sugarcane growers Will the Minister -of Transport be who would be adversely affected by the pleased to refer to the refly given to reduction in the price-rate? Starred Question No. 1722 on the 14th September, 1955 and state whether Gov­ ernment envisage any scheme in the Second The Minlater of Food and Africa]* , Five Year Plan for giving aid to Indian tore ( Shri A. P. Iain ) t (a) A reduction shipping as subsidy? of -/2/- per maund in the minimum price has b e^ allowed for the current crushing The Parliamentary Secretary to season for cane supplied to factories from the Minister of Railways and Trans­ certain centres in the Dehra Dun and port C Shri Shahnawaz Khan ) s I Naini Tal districts of Tarai area in U.P presume the hon. Member wants to know subject to the condition that the cut is whether Government envisage a scheme restored if, and to the extent, warrant«l for giving direct subsidies to Indian by the aggregate recovery actually obtained shipping. If so, the position is that there from sucn cane. is no su^ scheme under consideration. As stated in repljr 10 question No. 172a ^ e (b) The general policy referred to Indian shipping companies are getting an remains unchanged. indirect financial subsidy in the shape of Government loans at concessional rates of (c, The number of sugarcane growers interest. affected is not knDwn, but the total quantity 0/ Sugarcane involved is estimate 3*3 finjfil ftw : ^ lakh tons. t w ^ ^ Shri Bishwa Nath Royt During the fsrfnr vfrthvt in# fiTfvr ^ last few years, the Government adopted 4 the policy of announcing the price-rate of sugarcane about a year before tl%e supply of sugarcane to the factories. May 1 ertwr gsrvt ^ know vh y the policy has been changed now at the time vvhsn the factories are )ust going to purchase the sugarcane ? 457 LSD (I) X09 I Orel Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Written Answers 1092

S hfi A. P. lain: It is true that the Shri ]hiin)hunwala! Was that for­ I price of sugatcane is announced mula »applied only for the year 1953-54 lore year in advance of the sale of or will it apply to the subsequent years the crop. But Government has also? What is that formula? ahvays the power if the ciicumstances demand to vary that price. In this parti­ Shri A. P. Jain: So far as the formula cular case, the U.P. Government after is concerned; it has been laid on the Table enquiry ceme to the conclusion that during of the House more than once. It is an the past two or three yeais the recovery of arithemetical formula and it is not possible srgar from the sugarcane purchased from me to repeat it. But that formula was these centres vias low and if the price of applicable last year. It is now being^ Rs. 1-7-0 was enforced, the mills might reviewed because there were some com­ not start working. We were anxious tnat plaints from the mills that certain allowance the interests of the growers should be had not been made and the cane grower safeguarded and we also wanted to avoid was also feeling that he has net been paid any possibility of mills not working. his due share. The formula is under Therefore, we thought that we should review and the same formula or the revised accept the recommendation of the U.P. formula will be applicable this year and Goverrment. also in future years.

Shri Blthfva Nath Roy: May I know Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: May I the factories conctined vhich purchase know whether this question of recovery sugarcane ficm those areas where the was taken into consideration at the time change of policy has been implemented? of deter mining the sugarcane prices and whether the recovery for these particular areas of U.P. has gone down this year Shri A. P. Jain: One of the sugar as compared to last year and also whether factories cf Gckul Nrgar has been shifted any test has been made aauall> on behalf from the Taiai aiea ard efforts were made of the Central Government to find out to set up a CO-operative factory and to whether it has gone down? ' V,irg in some private party to set up faaory in larai, but they failed. In fact, these Shri A. P. Jain: The price of sugar­ areas have been troubled spots and the cane is based on an average recovery of recovery of sugar has been low in these 9.6 per cent. In the case of DoiwaJa in the year 1951-52 the recovery was 8.47 per cent; in 1952-53 it was 8.51; in 1953-54 Shri C. D. Pandes May I know if It was 9.08 and in 1954*55 it was 8.0I,. Goverrimert is aware that there ate seyen So far as this year is concerned, it will be other mills row in the Uttar Pradesh whrch kn^^wn only after eometimc. We shall have got lesser recovery than the average send specialists from the technological and whether Government propose to Institute to visit the mills from time to 1 educe the price there also? time and find out what the actual recovery Shri A. P. JaJn: There is no such proposal; no such information has been Mr« Speaker: The House will now sent to us by the U. P. Government, proceed with the next item of business. Shri Sbivaiiaii)appa: In view of the Pandit D. N. Tifvary row— fact that the Indian sugar mills have made Mr. Speaker: I was watching from good profit durirg the years 1954 and 1955, the beginning, but the hon. Member may I knov what steps have been taken by the Government to secure better prices did not catch my eye. for the cane growers ? • Shri A. P. JaJni The hon. Member may be aware that there is a formula for sharing the excess profits. If any excess WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS: ‘ profits are due to the growers, the mills vrill have to pay them. AmenitJca to T. T. Et* Shri Bogaineti The prices have gone down and the growers who want to •890. S hri V. P. N ayar: Will the tell sugarcane to tht mills are required to Minister of Raihvaya be pleased to sell at very low pris.es. Will the Govem- state: inent take care to btt tliat sugarCane is purchased at a fixed piice ? (a) whether in the £x, M.S.M. Sec* tion of Indian Failways, there are any/ Shri A. P. We have fixed the facilities for the Travelling Ticket Exami* minimum price and no factorv will be ners to rest, when they have finished allowed to buy below tha price fixed duty; and 1093 Written Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Written Answers 1094

(b) whether it is a fact that even in (d) whether the locomotives manu­ important stations like Bitragunta the factured by the company are cent pet* Travelling Tickct Examiners have to cent indigenous? sleep on the platform for ^ant of rest The Parliamentary Secretary to rooms and box rooms? the M inister of Railways and T ransport The Parliamentary Secretary to (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Yes. the Minister of Railways and Trant- (b) and (c) Yes, it has been agieed ’t (Sfari Shahnawaz Khan): (a) that the delivery of the order for 100 r statement giving the ncccssaiy infor­ YG locomotives will commence in May> mation is laid on the Table of the House. ' 1958 and completed in March 1959. Appendix V, Annexure No. 48J. (d) No, Locomotives under manu­ (b) At Bitragunta the Travelling Ticket facture from 1-7-54 have 75% indi­ Examiners take rest in the Train Qerk’s genously manufacture components. Telcos OflSce. The provision of a Rest Room acceptance of the increased order fox is imder consideration. 100 ‘Y G ’ locomotives in 1958-59 is on the understanding that the supplies beyond Holidays for the T. Staff the first 50 will be on the basis of not ♦89a. Dr. Satyaixadl: Will the less than 50% indigenous production Minister of Communications be pleased wh'ch should raised to not less than to state: 60% if possible. (a) whether any compensation in the ^ape of allowance or otherwise is Mangalapuzha Bridge given to the operative stafl of the Posts and Telegraphs Departments in lieu of *906. Shri Matthen: Will the Miris- the curtailed holiday facilities; and ter of T ran sp o rt be pleased to state: (h) if so, the details thereof? (a) the progress made in the construc­ The Deputy Minister of Communi­ tion of the Mangalapuzha biicgt in Ira- cations (Shri Ra) Bahadur): (a) Only vancore-Cochiii ^la.e; postmen and packers are allowed a mone­ * (b) the causes of delay in st;irtirg the tary allowance. work; (b) Re. I/- only for duty on a Postal (c) whether it is a fact that the final holiday. site of the bridge was choscn by ihe Central Government agairst the reccm- Sugar (Control) Order, 1955 mendations of the State Chief Engineer; ^895- Shri Jhulan Sinha : Will (d) how the cost per R. Ft. of the the Minister of Food and Agriculture proposed Mangalapuzha bridge ccm- be pleased to state whether any steps pares with the usual cost per R. Ft. have been taken so far in pursuance of of a bowstring-girder-iype briCge of the Sugar (Control) Order, 1955 and the the National Highways standard speci­ Sugarcane (Control) Order> 1955 both issued fications; and under Essential Commodities Act 1955? (c) when this bridge is expected to The Deputy M'n'ster of Food and be completed ? Agriculture (Shri M. V. Krishnappa) : Th© Parliamentary Secretary to The Sugar (Control) Ordei 195$ and tne tho Minister of Railways ^ d Transport Sugarcane (Control) Order, 1955, are (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Tenders more or less a re-produaion of the corres­ for the construction of the bridge have ponding provisions in the SOgar and Our been invited. Control Order, 1950, and as such no special ftcps were called for in pursuance of the (b) Surveys and investigations of more pew Orders. than one site had to be made which took time. Telco (c) No. ♦898, Shri K. P, Sinha: Will the (d) The cost of a bridge depends not Minister of Railw ays be pleased to only upon the type of the girders but also •tate: upon a number of other factors such as depth of foundations, nature of subsiraie, (a) whether it is a fact that the Tatas length of cach span, etc. Thus, there can Engmwring and Locomotive Company be no fixed cost per fcx)t run of a bowstring U d., has proposed to increaie the capacity girder bridge. The design approved of their locomotive division to 100 comp­ for this bridge is itself of the bowstring lete locomotives per year by January, 1958; type and its estimated cost works out to (b) whether Government have con­ Rs. 2,163 per R. ft. which is consider­ sidered thdr proposal; ed reasonable for the site conditions. (c) if so, the decision taken in the (e) Within three years of commence­ msiter; and ment of the work. 1093 WrttteB Atmoen 1« DXCIICBER 1958 Written Aimotn 1096

odanffi Bridge AhmedabadAtaLlaa ^907* Shrl Mohmnft Raot Will the Ministsr of T ra n sp o rt be pleased to '»9 io. Shrl Tulsidaat WiU the Mini#- iUte: ter of Railways be pleased to state: (a) whether work on construction (a) whether the proposal for the of a bridge over the Gauumi branch doubUng of the railway line between of the 0 >i2vari river at Alamuru has Ahmedabad and Adu has been fully sUrted; and examined; and (b) if so, the amount allotted there­ (b) if so^ the findings thereof? for daring the current year? The Parliaaeatftry Secretary to The Parliamentary Secretary ta th e Vli alster of R ill ways and T ra a tp o rt the Minister of Rail ways and Transport (Sari Siihaawaz Khaa)x (a) No> Sir. (Shrl Slialiaawaz Khan)t (a) Yes> Sir. (b) Rs. I3>56,300. (b) The Section between Ahmedabad and Kalol is already being doubled and further doubling from Kalol to Mehsana is being considered for the Second Blectrlfleatloa of Ssaldah Divleloa Five Year Plan period. The necessity «9 oS. Shrl Sadhan Guptai WiU for any further doubling on the Ahmeda- the Minister of R ailw ays be pleased to bad-Abu Section does not exist. sute: Udaipur-Banewara Telephone Line (a) the timj by which the electrifica­ *914* S h rl B heekha B haii Wilj the tion of the Ssaldah Division of the Minister of Commuaicationa be pleased Biitsrn Riilway is expected to be comp­ to state: leted; and (a) whether it is a fact that the Posts (b) the order of electrification of each and Telegraphs Advisory Committee secUon of the Division and the time by for Rajasthan and Ajmer 2one recom­ w.iich t'i5 il5:trifiction of each is expected mended connecting Udaipur to Banswara to be completed? by piitcca telephone line; and ^ The Parliamentary Secretary to (b) if so, the action taken in this the VtlalsterofRillwaysandTranspon regard ? (S hrl Shahnawaz M a n ): (a) No final decision has yet been taken. The Deputy Minister of Communi­ (b) Does not arise. cations (Sliri Ra) Bahadur): (a) Yes. (b) The rehabilitation of Udaipur- Dungarpur section was completed on Railway Security Force 30th August *54. The project for the rehabilitation of Dangarpur-Banswara *909. Shrl Slnhasaa Singhs WiU section was sanctioned on 28th September, the Minister of R iilw ays be pleased to •55. The work is expected to b>e completed stats the fuictions of and the manner in the next financial year. of :>oriination between the G.R.P., R.P.P. and ths Watch and Ward Staff 03 JV cilbi Railway Security Force? ^Calcutta Port The Pirllarnentary Secretary to •916. Shri Tushar Chatterjeai WiU the \iUlsfeer of Rail ways and Transport the Minister of T ran sp o rt be pleased to ( S ir i S iihf&awaz Khan): While the state: Gjvernment Railway Police is intended for the .niiatenance of ‘Law & Order* in (a) whether it is a fact that recruit­ the Riilways, the Railway Protection ment in Calcutta Port Coffmissicr ers’ Police serves as a special Armed Branch Service is made only through the Pirploy- of the O jv :rnm:nt Riilway Police. The ment Exchange of Calcutta ard ihoi ap I li- Riilway Security Force, on the other cations from persons residirg outside ha'mdsis intended purely for the protection Calcutta are not entertained; of Ra^ilway prpperty as well as good consigned to the care of the Railways* (b) if 80, the reason therefor; and

Co*ordination between the three (c) whether any exception is made or^aiisations is maintained by their i n case of appUcaiions of sons of employees respective offi ers at different levels or «x-empioyees of the Calcutta Pon throagh personal contacts and meetings* Commissioners ? 1057 Written Antwers 16 DECXIffiER 10S5 Written Annom 1098 T he Parliamentary Secretary to tlie Minister of Railways and Transport Air India Intematkmali:: 9 ” (Shri Shahnawaz Khan)s (a) and (b). * 9 * 0.. Sardar Iqbal Singlit WUl* Recruitment through the agency of the Minister of Communlcatloiis b# Employment Exchanges is made only pleased to state: in respect of Class III and Class IV posts in the Calcutta Port Commissioners* ^ (a) whether the Air India Interna­ Services. For posts requiring qualifica- tional has its own offices in foreign coun­ 11 bove the matriculation standard or tries; special qualification or experience, candi­ (b) if 80, the names of the places dates registered with Exchanges outside of such offices; Calcutta are also recommended by the (c) whether the Air India Interna­ Calcutta Employment Exchange authori­ tional has given a^ndes to other com­ ties. panies for looking after its affairs in foreign countries; and (c) No^ Sir. (d) if so, the reasons thereof? The Deputy Minister of Communl* cations (Snri Ra) Bahadur): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) A statement is laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha [See Appendix V, Annexuxc qaH ^ Pp t No. 49]. (c) and (d). The Air India Interna­ (sp) ^ ^ 5 ^ fttK tional have appointed some general sales ^ ^ ^ ^ agents in foreign countries who are mostly International Air Transport Association Member Airlines having a large net work of offices with active sales represen­ fiRT ^ ^ % tation in the countries for which they have been appointed. This has been f m ^ TC ^ v f t ^ done with a view to tapping the &ales ^Ir ftfKpft f^ N ’ ^ 51^ ^ ' potential available in those coimtries. jf^n* ^ f Saurashtra Railway Corruption C ase ( ^ ) «RTT ^ *926. Shri K. K. Basui Will the Minister of Railw ays be pieased to refer v[j^ p rr ^ ^ to the reply given to Starred Question No. 533 on the 5th December, 1955 and state when the replies to the fmai *Show Cause’ notices served on the officers of 0X-Saurashtra Railways for misappro­ priation of Rs. 13 lakhs were received? (^ ) ^ ft ^ The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Railways and Transport (Shri Shahnawaz Khan)s Replies from the officers were received by the V TOT General Manager, Western Railways, on ifftnr w t ) : (^ ) 7-7-55, 22-8 -55* 25-8-55 30-8-55. Air India InterMtional qrfii’^iiTd fT3^ (Central Sec­ ♦93a. Shri V. P. Nayart Will the Minister of Communications be pleated retariat and Parliament House) to state: ^ % irrt t ?: i^ff f»r (a) whether foreign nationals have been employed as Air Hostesses or Ste­ ^ ? T t I wards in Air India International planes; and ( ^ ) ?r I (b) if so, for what leaacni? The Devttty Miaittar of Communi- («r) ^55^ ^ w # w rt catloaw (fiiri Raf Bahadur)i'(a) No TOft TOf ^ TOIT foxtigners aie em pl^d as Stewaros, but these aie scrcn Air Hostesses who are wrWV I fo f^ aatiooals. 1099 Written Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Written Answers 110 0

(b) Because of the special qualifica­ ( ^ ) WT tions required. It was neccssary to employ some mul i-lingual Hostesses on RTPEJT JTt3RT 3ft # # w r m the European services and some Japanese Hostesses for the India-Japan service. ? Bridge over VaBlsta *934. Shri Mohana Rao: Will the Minister of T ran sp o rt be pleased to : (t ) W f^ c o r, state: (a) whether the investigation about ?nTT construction of a bridge over the river Vasista has been completed; and q W w K, ffWT !(o] (b) ,if so, when the work will com- mencc ? PfT It The ParUamentary Secretary to wiw ^ ffvTT, ?^rpnT t «tt the Minister of Railways and Transport % ^ sirnmr, ^ ^ (Shri Sliahnawaz Khan): (a) No, Sir. w r w ftrerr, i (b) The bridge work is expected to be commenced in the latter part of 1956. Train Service Between Patna and D arbhanga gVTT 562. Sliri Shree Narayan Dast Will the Minister of R ailw ays be pleased to state: (a) whether any steps arc proposed («f ) ^ % WiR an cspttn train is expected to take about 5 t ? ' hours as against over 7 hours at present. fWT ^ w n - ffftw («ft smpnmi wt ) : (nr) m r n n j : (t) ?T»niT-- X. *TOW5ff ^

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(^ ) fTOT — i7>222 4>o8,36 (b) 27,338- 'rnfrqf^^^R^ i The above fiTures cover the period vs. 2f{t I from 1-1-1955 to 30-II-55)* sfft 5TT ’TJJJT qr JFTPTT Night Schools «ftr R nR f^ ^tftr ^ / Sardar Hukam Singh; ^ ^ 5ET5R t€, (.'x' v[ ^ *ft r ^rftrftr v srfirPrfw ^ 5 5 ’Tc f in N t ^ t v T -^vicn f I ^ f m v m ^ »fK ^ 'TC f*RT!T % ft« r , ^BFPT w ^n?r TT ®TTT '>rrar ^ ft» ^ Jarw «T ? % n^ ^ Pf!RT fWT HWI-* ifsf ^qw*v t ^TfHT- IfPw (*ft Hlfwrw Ht) : H KV-U % < R T ^ 5 ?r II05 Written Annotn 16 DECEMBER 1965 Written Anmoera n o 6

^ f i r ^ «i5t ^ suffered by the Railways due to such damages and the total amount spent ia ^ «rc ^ repairing them is as under.— ft*t «ftt YK tsnr vnr # ww »r^ i Loss suffered by Total amount Railwavs daring spent in Railway floods since repairing the itofhsr w ? 1 .7 .1 9 5 5 damges done ^Ke. «nTT f t lf OTTt : WT t n v w T t >ni w5tr«T *i>t Rs. Rs.

Central . . 6 2 9 73 v x if Pit; Eastern . . Nil North Eastern I 3>6o ,o o o 32,50000 (t ) sppftR ?rnc ^ Northern . 6 3 ,9 0 ,0 0 0 63.95.oca South Eastern. Nil. Nil g»ra>T «PT# # J rm rn f ^ farProTTsJr Southern . 1 3 6 7 5 * 12,675* w^sinrf ^ v i^ r N ^ fv r r I ; Western • 1 8,20 3»,200

T o t a l ( ^ ) m ^Tjjfr *T ^ ^nrnr #T*rr 7,4 3 ,8 4 8 97,58,848 ♦Excludes cost of repair and damages # 3rT

(»r) firr «ppTt?z t 570. Chaudhuri Muhammed Shaffeei Will chc Minister of Railways be pleased Jifir ^ R 5T f ^ ^ |f t ? to state. (a) whether it is a fact that the Travel­ w m r^o "ft® ^ ) : ling Ticket Examiners who were promoted in 1950 have been declared junior to those ( v ) ^PT TTSHif I? who have were promoted in I 953 » and ^ ^ ^TcTR’T *flr (b) if so, the reasons therefor? VT

(n)iprr aj^pR t Pp z?r vR fR $ (b) Prior to 1 Regrouping of Railways certain Ticket Collectors were promoted WR ^ ’3'TzfhT VT’T ftp*T ii'**Tl as Travelling Ticket Examiners not ac­ cording to seniority but in the exigencies ^ aHTTf v r a r f ^ g^rn? # » ? »T!t o f service. Onths finalisation of combined seniority lists it was found that certain ^hrr ^ I senior staff had been overlooked for pro­ motion and the position was, therefore, Damage by Floods thereafter regularised. f Chaudhuri Muhammed 569. i Shaffee t Frontier Mail Shrim ati 11a Palchoudhury< 571. Shri Dabhi : Will the Minister Will the Minister of R ailw ays be of Railways be pleased to state: pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that passengers (a) the total loss suffered by the Rail­ are not allowed to travel by the Frontier ways, zone-wise, during floods, since the Mail in III Class for a distance upto 800 1st July, 1955; and miles, and ; (b) if so, the reasons therefor? (b) the total amount to be spent in repairing the danuges done ? The Parliamentary Secretary to Tlia Parliamentary Sacretary to tha the Minister of Railways and Tians* Miaistar of Railways and Transport port (Shri Shahnswtt Khttn): W In (Shrl S h ah n aw aaK lian )! (a) and Cb). the case of the Frontier Mau Prssumibly the hon. Member it referring starting from Bombay, tickets are issued to the loss on account of damages caused only to Third Class Pastangers from su- 16 the Railway property. The total loss tions between Bombay Central and Baioda H07 Written Answers 16 DECEMBER 1935 Written Answers u o 8

for travsl to stations beyond D Ihi. In States thi CISC of Fron i'?r Mail from D :lhi to B. C. G. Vacd- B>miby, Third Cl\s8 Passansjers ffom naied. s:a i>ns b;rw2en D Ihi and Kotah only West Bengal are b3ok:d to Bombay. 710,603 Hyderabad 468,730 Ov 'r ■:h ^ N >r h ?rn Riilwiys Third Class Kashmir . 252,092 Passeng r? arc book^'d by Fron'if r Mail Madhya Bhrfira 64,717 b^twjen D lhi and Jullundur Ciiy when^ Mysore . 347,342 the tickets are held by hem for a distance PEPbU 13I5316 of not bs8 thin 200 mihs. Rajasthan 94,974 Saurasiitra 96,386 (b) T ’a^ ris ric ion has been imposed Travancore-Cochin 395,176 wi:h a view to av)iding overcrowding and Ajmer . 14,044 cons^q imt inconvenience to long distance Bhopal . 42,563 third class passengers. Coorg . 16,627 Delhi . 28,817 Himachal Pradesh 21,892 Ceatral Board of Transport Kutch . 16,597 Manipur . 22,606 572. Ch. Ra^Hubir Singh : Will the Vindhya Pradesh Minister of Tr^intport be pleased to state: 112,628 Tripura . . . 16,095 (a) whether it is a fact that the personnel of the Standing Committee of T otal 6,719,904 the Central Board of Transport is changed every year; C o m p la in ts (b) if so, what are the changes this year; and 574* Shri Krishnacharya Joshi t (c) how many meetings of this Com­ Will tne Minister of Railways be pleased mittee were held this year and where? to state: (a) the number of persons who have The Parliamentary Secretary to entered complaints in the complaint the Minister of Railways and Trans- books kept at stations on the Central port ( Shri Shahnafvaz Khan) t (a) Railway during - ; and No. o ,: Sir, 1954 55 (b) Does not arise. (b) the action taken on those com- plaints ? (c) Twelve. All the meetings were held at . The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Railways and Transport B.C.G. Vaccination (Shri Shahnawas Khan ) t (a) 57), Shri Kishnaoharira Joshit Will 3,557. the Minister of Health be pleased to state: (b) Suitable remedial action was taken^ (a) the total number of persons who which included provision of facilities, were vaccinated with B.C.G. during Z955 improvements in system of working and so far; and disciplinary action agair.st the stei) in cases in whi< h the complaints against them (b) their number State-wise? were materially substantiate. TheMinisterof Health(Rajknmari Amrit Kaur ) t (a) 6 >7 i 9,904 from Janu­ ary to October, I955 « (b) m . WT ^ StaUs B. C. O. Vacd- noted. ft w a m (?r) % Andhra . • 279,365 STTC % f'TT Assam . . 284 >24I Bihar . . 964^91 fw : Bombay . • 7I0>093 Madhya Pradesh 258^66 madras . . , («f) ^ ^ fUT smr Orissa . . ig g i Punjab . . 244*766 Uttar Pradesh . 4x7.292 PniTT pR T 3fT t ; 1109 Written Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Written Answers IIIO Third ClaM Sleeping Accommodatioii fr 3TH s r m | ? fTl- Pandit D. N, Tiwary i Will the Mtnister of Railw ays be pleased to refer 5TOT *wt % WIT to the reply ^iven to Starred Question No. 88 on the 23rd February, 1955 and flftiw («ft sn^vimef ) : (sp) state: 3r » I^ , (^^RTOt % «trt), (a) whether the 3rd Class sleeping accommodation is fully availed o f ; *rmTR, rHV,' >f1w- (b) in which sections this is largely 5T-?rH-^ , ’!ef^% 5r, vfesiT , availed ; and «iT ^ , (^m^T % >TnT ) I (c) the additional income derived (section-wise) in 1955 upto September, ( ^ ) 3R ^ ^ I from reservation of 3rd Class sleeping berths ? The Parliamaitary Secretary to the Minister o f Railways and Transport

fWTw ^fwT (q?To (b) The Sections where the sleeping {m) i« accommodation is largely availed of are^ «TRo) t «ft I Baroda . . 31,279 Kotah-Delhi . 33»270 ( ^ ) 5^35tT«irr^R«ir 34 UP Delhi-Kotah . . 21,750 Baroda-Bombay q?«iT ft? «pn^vfis^ Central . . 37>I3X 313 UP Katihar-Shahpore 'i f m 51^’ % v r w # ? Patoree - . 4,455 „ Gorapkhpur-Luck- ^ T^r *rr i ^ % wrtt ?ftT now . • 8,916 % ? n i^ « T ^ % ?!^t5r * i m ! T % f t w - 314 Dn. Ludcnow Jn.-Mun- derwa . . 11,391 If ? f t ^ 3|TT I4 ♦ijDn. Hotgi-Raichur- »PIT «JT I IT T ^f ^ Riyalcheruvu • 6,288 •14 UP Kondapuram-Wadi 5,586 5 ^ ^irnn' «ft f^re% v rvn w aoi U P .. Delhi-Phulera • 27.372 w »rr I 202 Dn. Aimer-Deltii • 26,649

(’ t ) ^ 5^2irr .# X i m f W f ^ ^Sleeping cars on these trains were w^ff I T rovided from I-5-X955- n i l Written Answers. 16 DECSMBER 1955 Written Answers III*

Notb :— ^Thc reply is exclusive of partiulars Subjict Na of of sleeping acGOmmodation provided (ii>) Sewage Treatment and Trainees on 17 Dn./i8 UP Delhi-Madras Tri­ design constniction-opera- Weekly Janata Expresses and 69 UP/70 tion of Household Sewage Dn. Delhi-Howrah Janata Expresses. Plant .... I Particulars for these trains are under collection and will be placed on the (v) Sanitary Biology . . z Table of the Sabha. (c) Their services are utilised in the Water Coolers on North-Eastern spraality in Which they have received the R ailw ay training. fjS . Pandit D. N. Tiwary 1 Will the Minister of Railw ays be pleased to sute : Tobacco Cultivation (a) whether the water coolers on the 580. Shri D. C. Sharma t Will the North Eastern Railway installed between Minister of Food and Agriculture be Gorakhpur to Katihar often go out of pleased to state : order and are not immediately set righ t; and (a) the total area under tobacco cul- (b) whehter the number of water coolers tivaton during 1954-55 (State-wise) ; on the North-Eastern Railways is much and less than on other Railways ? (b) the steps that arc being taken The Parliamentary Secretary to the for the improvement of its quality Minister of Railways and Transport and the expansion of the tobacco mdus- (Shri Shahnawaz Khan) : (a) Seven try ? out of II water coolers installed went out of order on different occasions and for The Minister of Food and Agriculture different periods during the last summer (Shri A* P. Jain ): (a) A statement giving season and none of them could be repair­ the required information is attached. ed immediately. All possible arrangements t5 w Appendix V, Annexure No. 52]. were, however, made to bring them back into commission in quickest possible (b) Besides fundamental and applied time. researches on agronomy, physiology, technology etc. of tobacco, the followmg (b) While the number of water coolers steps are being taken by the Government installed on the Nor h Eastern Railway of India and the Indian Central Tobacco is less than those on Southern^ Western, Committee for the improvement of qua* Central and Northern Railways, it is more lity of tobacco and the expansion 01 to­ than those installed on Eastern and South bacco industry :— Eastern Railways. 1. The Government of India have in con­ Public Health Engineers junction with the Andhra Government started tv:e./. i-7-i? 55> a Tobacco Ex­ m , Shri Bibhuti Mishra s Will the tension Service Scheme in the Guntur Mimster of H ealth be pleased to sUte : Distria of the State for the improvement of the quality of cigarettee tobacco, (a) whehter the Public Health Enp- whiclmiainly enters the international neers sent to America for receiving train­ market. ing have come back : 2. The Central Tobacco Research (b) if so, the details of the training Institute, Rajahmundry, and other Re­ received by them ; and search Stations under the Indian Central (c) how are their services utilised ? Tobacco Committee are taking the following measures to improve the qua­ The Minister of Health (Raftumari lity of tobacco f Am rit K aur) t (a) Six out of the seven Public Health Engineers sent to America (i) Pure tobacco seeds and/or seedlings have returned to are distributed to farmers. (b) (ii) A Farmer's Week is held annually Subject No. of Visiting farmers are taken round Trainees tobacco fanns and the various 0} Public Health Engineer- aspects of tobacco production axe mg modem Tedmiques and explained to them* methods .... (iii) Practical demonstrations are ax^ (•0 Sanitary Chemistry ; Sani­ ranged in farmer’s fields. The tary Bacteriology : Industrial teseazch staff visiting villages Water SutoW & Water Trest- during the various staaes of tobacco i nent; H^ology and Hy­ pcoducdon idvise the farmers aboui] draulics of Water Suppy . moeved practioes of ------fHO Sanitary Engineering . 1 1 X3 WHtten Answert 16 DECXMBKR 1955 Written Answers xjT4

(br) Tcdinical advice on problems «ri- (v) Delhi ting during the vtrious phases of 30 standard acres. tobacco production is invariably (2) In the following States, ceiling dven to cultivators needing it, has been imposed on the area of land that aa both by correspondence or visits individual may hold by experts, wherever possible. (0 Punjab . 30 standard acrea (v) Leaflets in regional languages (upto 60 ordinaiy containing the improved practices acres). In the case of tobacco production based on of displaced per­ the results of researches at the sons 50 standard Research Stations aie distributed . acres (upto loo free to cultivators. ordinary acres). (vi) Literature published by the Com­ (&*) Jammu & Kash- 22 3/4 acres mittee on the improved practices mir. of tobacco production is distri* buted free to Community Project (M) Hyderabad 3 times to 4I times and National Extension Service the family hold­ areas whefe tobacco is an impor­ ing. (A family tant crop. heading varies from

(b) if not, the total number of Class farming and animal husbandry in States IV employees to whom K hadi uniforms whose per capita food consumption as have been supplied so far; and at present shows comparatively higher insufficiency; and (c) the total cost of these uniforms ? (b) what are the basis of assigning The Deputy Minister of Com* new development project s to the various mttnications (Shri Ra) Bahadur) : States in respect of animal husbandry, (a) No, as some stocks of Khadi 6iil\ miJk and milk products? were still be to consumed. . The Minister of Food and Agri­ (b) 44jO?6. culture (ShH A. P. Jain) 1 (a) Yes. (c) Rs. 8,84,593/2/9. (b) While assigning targets for the im­ Sugar Factoriea in PBPSU plementation of the Animal Husbandry and Dairy Projects in the States, the quan­ 589* S h ri D. C S h arm a: Will tity and the number of livestocks, the w Minister of Food and Agriculture present stage of development, local needs, be pleased to state: availability of technical personnel, the need for training additional personnel and the (a) the names of the places where facilities available for research schemes the sugar factories in PEPSU are loca­ In different States are taken into considera­ ted; tion.

(b) their total annual output; and Registration of Wagons (c) the average annual consump­ 59*. Shri A. N. Vidyalanlrarr tion of sugar in PEPSU? Will the Minister of R ailw ays be pleas­ ed to state: The Minister of Food and Agri­ culture (Shri A. P. Jain) t (a) (a) the number of wagons registered, There is only one factory at Phagwara the number of cancellation of registra­ (District Kapurthala) which is in pro­ tions and the number of wagons offered duction. Licences have however been by the Railway authorities to the public issued for establishing two more factories during the years i 938 -?9 > i948 -49 > at Dhuri and Hamira, both of which are 1949-50, i 95 i-52> i953 -54> and 1954 ­ under construction. 55> (b) 8,904 tons in 1954-55 season. (b) whether it is a fact that the ficti­ After the two factories imder construc­ tious registration of wagons goes on the^ tion go into production, the annual increasing for a number of years ; and output will be 25,000 tons. (c) About 23,000 tons. (c) if so, what measures have been taken to root out this evil? Slum Clearance io Delhi The Parliamentary Secretfry to the Minister of Railways and Trans­ 590. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will port ( Shri Shahnawsz Khan ) :( a) the Minister of H ealth be pleased to state: A statement is attached. [See Appendix (a) the amount spent for the clear­ V, Annexure No. 53]. ance of slums^in Delhi so far; and (b) Trends r»ry from Railway to K^i^way and from time to time as will be seen from (b) the estimated expenditure to be the figures given in the statement io Incurred on it during the First Five Year Plan? reply to part (a). (c) The following are the more im­ portant measures taken towards discourag­ The Minister of Health (RaJ- ing registration of spurious indents; Kumari Amrit Kaur)t (a) Rs. 86*50 lakhs. (i) Imposition of indent^ registration (b) Rs. 84,65 lakhs. fee of Rs. per M.G. wagon, and Rs. 35/­ per B.C. wagon* Dairy Farming (ii) Imposition of ceiling limits on the number of registrations per ...»*• S'i*! V. p . N * y « r I Will the consignor at any one time, Mtmster of Food and AKricultnr* be pleased to state: wherever considered ex­ pedient. (a) whether any ipecial emphaiit (iii) Enlisting the help of large Trade is proposed to be laid in the Second Five Interests and Associations, etc. Year Plan on programmes for research to discourage the tendency to developn^t in the matter of dairy register spurious indents. II 19 Written Arwtx>ert 16 DSCSMBSR 1955 Wfitten ATvnoeTff iiio (iv) Progressive lugmentation of T he the overall rail transport capacity by increasing yard and section the iTuiua««r oi Kauwaya and Trana- capacity, wagons and locomotivea port ( Shri Shah nawan Khan ) : and improvements in operation. (a) Year Nwnber o f' ^a; Year aco- dents

JMaattfacturaofWafoiu and Conchca 1944-45 • . . 4 6 1945-46 . . . 6o 1946-47 • . . . 593 . Shri Biahwa Nath Roy: Will 1 68 the Minister of Railwaya be pleased to 85 1948-45 • . . 88 1949-50 • . . 8x 1950-51 • . . (a) whether it is a fact that a concern 1951-52 • , , U in B'lreilly^ District (U.P.) has sought 1952 . . . i8 permission and facilities from Govern­ 1953 • . . , ment for manufacture of wagons 1954 • • . i l and coaches; and 1955 (upto Oct.) 13 (b) whether Government have taken (Figures from 1944-45 to 1951-52 '^ny action in this connection? are for the finandal years, as those for the calendar years are not available ). The Parliamentary Secretary to (b) Among the measures generally 'the Mlniater of Railwaya and Trana- taken are :— p o rt (Shri Shahnawaz Khan ) t (a) Yes*| Effective disciplinary action against (b) The Firm’s proposal is imder railway staff held responsible -examination by the Railway Equipment for accidents. Committee which has been set up by the 'Government to examine the development Systematic examination and inten­ of indigenous capacity for Railway ^ u ip - sive inspection of Permanent ment including Rolling Stock. Way and Rolling Stocky etc. Education of staff in the safety rules through periodicals, circular letters, etc. iff ^ Tightening up of supervision and control.

Frequent warnings to staff to remain vigilant and cautious and mak­ ^ ^ iRTR ^ WTT ^ ing them more safety minded.

Among the other important steps ^ ^ IFT# g f ? taken to minimise the incidence of accidents are the implementation of the recommendations of the Latham Com­ T w i !inT iW t V fwn mittee on derailments and also of the Reviewing Committee, which reviewed the Report of the Railway Accidents En­ quiry Committee, 1954.

«rnnft i Raids on Sutiona Sf€. Shri Raghunath Sin^h s Win Accldenta on Northern Railway the Minister of Railwaya be pleased to state the number of railway stations 595. Shri Kami Singhfl t Will the which have been looted or raided by Minister of Railwaya be pleased to state: armed gang or dacoits during the last six months? (a) the number of train accidents over the former Bikaner State Railway portion The Parliamentary Secretary to of the Northern Railway during the years the Minister of Railwaya and Trano* 1945 to 1955 year-wise; and port (Shri Shahnawai Khan) s Eleven during the six months. May ta (b) the steps taken to minimise them? October, 1955 * 1 121 Written Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 Written Answers 1122

Railway Accidents propose to undertake an agricultural en- (Wiry in 1956, which will coUect data 597* Shri Raghunath Singh s Will showing the changes that have taken place the Minister of Kallwaj^s be pleased to since the last enquiry in 1950-51. state: Laundering of Linen in Western (a) whether it is a fact that there were RaUway two accidents on the 4th November, 1955, one between Shahgath and Mala and the . S hri U* M. Trivodi s Will the other between Khudlaspur and Gur Mmister of R ailw ays be pleased to state: Sahaiganj railway stations on the North Eastern Railway; and (a) \^hether it is a fact that linen in use at ah points in Western Railway is (b) if so, the details thereof? sent out for washing to Bombay; The ParllanoMntary Secretary to (b) the quantity thereof in use in the the Minliter of Railways and Trans­ Officers* saloons; and port (Shri Shalmawaz Khan) x (a) and (b). Yes; two train accidents oc­ (c) the amount of freight charge in­ curred on 4th November I955 » vtM; curred in doing ? {i) at about 22*15 hours on 4-11-55 The Parliamentary Secretary to ile MB 16 Down Goods train was Uie Minister of Railways and leaving Shahgarh station for Mala on the Transport (Shri Shahnawax Khan) t Lucknow -Bareilly Section of the North W to (c). The linen in use on tne Eastern Railway, the engine of the train Western Railway in the Inspection Car­ failed between Home and Outer signals riages provided for Railway Officers is of the station, due to the breakage of the generally sent out for washing to the left leading side lod; and Headquarters stations of the respective carriages. In the case of distrias the (ii) at about 22-35 hours on 4-11-55 arrangements for washing the linen are while No. F .C 8 Down Goods train however made locally. was running between Khundaganj (and not Khudlaspur as stated in the Question) Consequently it is not a fact that and Gur Sanaiganj stations on the Fateh- linen in use at all points in Western Rail­ garh-Kanpur Section of the North-Eastern way is sent for washing to Bombay. How­ Railway, 10 wagons—-7th to i6thfrom ever, linen from Ajmer, used in Metre the engine— derailed and capsized and Gauge Inspeaion carriages and bed­ 17th wagon derailed by one rear wheel. rolls, is at present sent to Bombay for washing, but this praaice would as far as Contributory Health Service Scheme possible be discontinued in the future. 598. Shri Gidwani : Will the Minis­ The linen is sent to Bombay on railway ter of be pleased to state: account and booked on Free Services Way H ealth Bill and as such no amount is charged. (a) the total expenditure incurred on the Contributory Health Service Cultivable Land Scheme ‘ for Central Government em­ ployees in Delhi for the period from ist 6oi. Shri S. V. Ramaswamy ! Will April to 30th September, 1955 ; and the Minister of Food and Agriculture ^ be pleased to state what is the extent (b) the amount received in contri­ of land which can be brought under cul­ bution from the employees during that tivation in sparsely populated States like period? Madhya Pradesh, Orissa, Andhra, and The Minister of Health (Rajkitmarl Madhya Bharat and Assam ? Amrit Kaur) i (a) Rs. 12,89,574-6-8. The Minister of Food and Agri­ (b) Rs. 6.94 275- culture (Shri A. P. Jain) t A statement giving the required information is attached. [ Ste. Appendix V, Annexure Agricultural Labour No. 54]. 5^. Shri Mohana Rao s Will the Maritime Museum Minister of L abour be pleased to state whether Government have received any i 03. Shri M. D. Joshi: Will reports from States about the improve­ the Minister of T ransport be pleased ments of the condition of the agricultural to state : labourers as a result of the Five Year Plan and other developmental projects? (a) whether there is any maritime museum in India; The Deputy Minister of Labour (Shri A bid AH ) : No specific reports (b) if not, whether Govenuncnt pro­ on the subjea are available. Govemmenr pose to establish one:, and 457 L.S.D. (3) ' . 1123 Written Answers 16 DECEMBER 1956 Written Answers 1 124 (c) are the present arrangements Bombay Port for preservation and exhibition of valu-. able articles of maritime importance for the 605. Shri M. D. Joshii Will the benefit of nautical students and persons Minister of Transiport be pleased to interested in maritime matters? state: (a) the number of coimtry craft visiting The Parliamentary Secretary to Bombay harbour during every fair the Minister of Railways and Trantpcrt season; : (a) No. (Shri Shahnawaz Khan) (b) whether there is any dry-dock­ w tion regarding the number of sailing at the Nautical and Engineering College, vessels which visited the Bombay Harbour Bombay. has been collected only for one *«fttir season’*, Rampur-Haldwani Rail Lii^ vtz.i the period from September, 1954 to May, 1955. This shows that there 603. Slirl B. D. Paade: Will the were 24,227 visits by sailing vessels to Minister of R ailw ays be pleased to various Bunders in the Bombay Harbour state at what stage is the proposal for during that period. In addition there the construction of a Broad-gauge con- were also about n,8oo visits by small ^ction between Rampur and Haldwani? creek boats bringing sand. (b) and (c). There is no dry-dock The Parliamentary Secretary to available for repairs to sailing vessels in the Minister of Railways and Transport the Bombay Harbour but adequate facili­ (Shxi Shahnawaz Khan): A Traffic ties at several bunders including two Survey for a 38 mile long Broad Gauge/ slipways at Sassoon Dock and Mallet Metre Gauge Railway line between Ram- Bunder where sailing vessels can be beached '(pur and Lalkua has been sanctioned on and/or repairs to sailing vessels carried 14-9-55 and the Survey is in progress. out. Tiie question of extending the scope of the Survey from Rampur to Haldwani Delhi Road Transport Service instead of to Lalkua is being examined. 606. Shri Bheekha Bhai: Will the Minister of T ran sp o rt be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that on all fimctional occasions on Ramlila Grotmds in Delhi the normal bus services are sus­ ^ f t ? : pended for hours causing inconvenience to passengers; and (t ) wr t TR TTnf (b) if so, the remedies for the situation ? The Parliamentary Secretary to the IVtinister of Railways and Transport (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) and (b). When functions are held at Ramlila Grounds necessitating the closing of Circular I; Road to heavy vehicular traffic, the Delhi Transport Service buses are diverted to (w ) 5T, ^ the nearest convenient road on the instruc­ tions of the Delhi Traffic Police. On such occasions the Delhi Transport Services are diverted as follows:— Route No. Route on which the service is diverted The Parliamentary Secretary to From Odeon, via Chelmsford the Minister of Railways and Road-Desh Bandhu Gupta Transport (Shri Shahnawaz Xhan) : Road (Over Paharganj (a) and (b). Three labourers were killed Railway Bridge) to Ajmeri on 30th April, 1955, while engaged on the 12 J Gate. work of widening the road in mile 13 furlong 7 of the Udaipur— Rikhabdeb— 1 From Odeon via Rouse Avenue< Kherwara Seaion of National Highwty 1', I Mirdard Road to Delh No. 8. The accident was due to an imexpected landslide. II J 1 125 Written Answers 16 DECBMBER 1955 Written Answers 1126 New Delhi RaUway Station /Shri T. B. Vitul Rao: \Shri Mohana Rao: Will the Minister of R ailw ays be pleased to state: (a) the amount spent to the end of >rm 5?^ JTHsrt, u u v ' 30th September, 1955 for the construc­ tion of New Station; jnrrftRT *TTTpSr W ^'sIm Rs. 11,69,304- =f*TT ^TPJ’TT 5 t^ T T typ ^ITT’T (b) Early in 1956. v f t n ? «^*P fTO nw w f *jVr Railway Coach Factory w w r ^ 3n ^ ; 610. Shrimati Shivrafvati Nehru: Will the Minister of R ailw ays be pleased to («■) *rf? 5t, ?ft WT ^ fwpT state: ^ ftnrr^rart; tftr (a) whether it is a fact that the U.P. Government have submitted any scheme for the setting up of a Railway (»r) jft^rJTT «ifV fW ^«T wr Coach Factory in the State during the I , trfiT ^ 'IT 3PJ*TFI?T: ftRPTT SPT Second Five Year Plan period; and (b) if so, at what stage is the ftfrnranw ? proposal ? The Parliamentary Secretary to the (iVT iH t V tn rro fW Minister of Railways and Transport (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) No. A nnpnrw i.irt): ( v ) «ft, 5i| f i sug^stion to this effect has been however made by the U.P. Government. (w) em (n), W5t t (b) The sugwstion made by U.P. Government will be considered along I with other possible sites for the factory when the proposal for setting up another Dhanushkodi Pier Coach Building Unit (Metre Gauge) matures. rShri T. B. Vittel Rao: 6o8. Shri Gopala Raoi Employment Exchanges Will the Minister of T ra n sp o rt be 611. Shri B. S. Murthy: Will the pleased to refer to the reply given to Minister of L abour be pleased to state: Starred Question No. 939 on the 14th (a) the number oi persons registered March, 1955 and state: for employment in the Employment Ex­ (a) whether the Committee of Ex­ changes and the categories thereof during perts, appointed to go into the question 1954-55; of shiftmg the Dhanushkodi Pier to a safer place near Rameshwaram where (b) the number of persons to whom there would be no danger of erosion by jobs were provided, category-wise; sea, have submitted their report; (c) the rise or fall of unemployed and (b) whether Government have exa­ the employed diiring 1954-55 as per records mined the same; and of the Exchanges; and (d^ the number of those employed (c) if so, the nature of the decision in private firms through the Exchanges? arrived at? The Deputy Minister of Labour The Parliamentary Secretary to the (Shri Abid Ali): (a) A category-wise Minister of Railways and Transport analysis of the persons on the Live Register ^Shri Shahnawaz Khan)i (a) Not yet, as on 3I-3-i?55i is placed on the Table of the Lok Sabha [See Appendix V, Annexure (b) and (c). Do not arise. No. 55-1 1127 'Written Answers 16 DECEMBER 1055 Written Answers 1128

(b) and (c). Two statements arc laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha [Sw Appendix ( ^ ) >rorr i V, Annexure No. 55]. (d) 41,876 persons were placed in the M vate sector through Employment fexcAanges during 1954 -55* Information j WrFTTFI: WT in respect of perons placed in private firms is not available. Over-Bridge at Madras 61a. Shri B. S. Murthys Will the Minister of T ran sp o rt be pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred Ques­ tion No. 342 on the ist December, 1955 and state: (^) ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ (a) whether the Madras Govern­ ment have sent any proposal for cons­ tructing an over-bridge at the level crossing of the Beach Road leading to the Secretariat; F n w r 1?^ (tvuvwA wipf (b) the estimated cost of the over­ ifhc ) : (v) «flT (^). Mal­ bridge; and (c) the time that will be taken for aria Institute of India completing the project? ? ^ f I ^ ITT# % The Parliamentary Secretary to ^ 3tt t^ I I ^ the Minister of Railwajrs and Transport (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a). The ^ ^ i r r f ^ ^ Madras Government had sent a proposal ^<{m t I for constructing an under-bridge to replace the level crossing on the Light House Road, which appears to be the same as the one on the Beach Road, and the Govern­ TubeweUs ment of India have approved the grant of a loan of Rs. 20 laidis towards the 6x5. Shri Ka)rolkari Will the Minis­ the Road Authority’s share of the cost ter of Food and Agriculture be pleased of the work. to state: , (a) whether the Site Selection Com­ (b) Rs. 30 lakhs for the bridge proper mittee for the Exploratory Tube-wells and Rs. 20 lakhs for approach roads. have visited Madras State; and (c) It is not possible at present to give (b) if so, the sites selected for the any mdication of the time required for purpose ? completing the project. The Minister of Food and Agri­ culture (Sihri A. P. )ain)s (a) The Committee has not vet visited Madras, but it will do so before the commence­ ment of the actual boring operations in the State which are likely to start some­ time during 1956. THW ^ ^ 5^ Pfi : (b) Does not arise. A erodrom es ^ VTH ®F7tT 0 ^ ^ 6ii6, Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the Minister of Communications be pleased to state:

(^) ^ ?r, ^ «RTT (a) the names of aerodromes in India functioning as centres of wire­ less control on the movements of aero­ planes for oommercial civil aviation in TOT V WTT- India; m\): («f) (b) whether such aerodromes are furnished with up-to-date modem sdentilic ^ ^ I equipments and apparatus; 1 129 'Written Answers 16 DECEMBER 1955 WHtten Answers 1130

W if 80, the total investment made by Government on such air stations; Important of Sugar (d) whether any further improvements «I8. Sardar Iqbal Stagh: Will the Minister of Food and Agricultnr* be are proposed to be introduced ; an pleased to state: (e) if 80, at what cost and by what time? (a]) the countries from which sugar was unported during 1955 and the cost The Deputy Minister of Commuiii- thereof country-wise; and cations (Shri Ra) Bahadur): (a). I lay a statement on the Table of the Lok Sabha giving the requisite information (b) how this cost compares with the Appendix V, Annexure No. 56]. cost of the sugar produced in India ? (b) Some of the equipment is modem The AUnlster of Food and Agri­ and up-to-date and some is not quite culture (Shri A. P. Jain)< (a). TThe 80 up-to-date, but the service rendered is names of countries from which sugar was in accordance with the standards laid imported during 1955 and the cost down by the International Civil Aviation thereof, countrywise, are given below:— Organisation. The equipment which is not up-to-date is being gradually replaced with newer types. Name of country Average cost per long ton (c) Rs. 192 lakhs upto thei 31-3-1955. (C. & F. Indian (d) Yes, Sir. p ^ s) Cuba ^108.50 (e) At an additional cost of approxi- (equivalent to matelv Rs. 60 lakhs for 83 stations by £ 38/15/-) March 1956 and at a cost of approximately Great Britain £ 38 o o Rs. 400 lakhs for about one hundred Czechoslovakia 1 o stations by March 1961. £31 East Gennany £ 37 6 5 Railway Wagons France £ 37 o 0 617* S a rd a r Iqbal Singhi Will the (b) After allowing for the in ^ rt Minister of R ailw ays be pleased to duty of Rs. 13/- per cwt. (upto 28th Feb­ state: * ruary, 1955 it was Rs. II/- per cwt.) and clearance and port trust charges at the (a) the total number of wagons rate of -/4/- per maund, the average cost sent to East Pakistan and West Pakis­ of sugar imported during 1955 works out tan in the year I953> 1954 and 1955 W) far to Rs. 27/14/9 as against the average ex­ separately; factory price of Rs. 28/8/- per maund of indigenous sugar. (b) the total number of wagons re­ turned during this period; and Family Planning Centres (c) the steps taken by Government to recover others ? 6x9* Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the Minister of H ealth be pleased to state: The Minister of Railways and (a) the total number of Family Plan­ Transport (Shri L. B. Shastri): (a) ning Centres esta*blished in Punjab and and (b;. PEPSU. Year No. of wagons, No. of wagons sent to received from (b) the total expenditure incurred on these Centres during 1955 ; E. Pak W.Pak E.Pak W.Pak (c) the names of the places where these 1953 . 24,616 20,097 25,266 19,181 Centres are situated? 1954 • 23,520 20,228 23,005 20,597 The Minister'of Health (Rajkumari Amrit Kaur): (a) Punjab — 38. 1955 . 45.471 15,507 45,080 I5>454 PEPSU. — None. (upto Nov). (b) No expenditure was incurred on (c) All standard wagons of the Indian these Centres by the State Government. iind Pakistan Railways are freely interchang­ So far as the Central Government arc ed in traffic between the two countries. concerned, a grant-in-aid of Rs. 3,200 On 10-12-1955, this country had 262 was paid in 1955 by the Central Govern­ Broadeaugc and 237 Metregaugc Wagons ment to the Family Planning Association, of Pakistan Railways in excess of the Chand^arh towards the maintenance of Indian wagons in Pakistan. the Chandigarh Centre. Information 1 131 Written Anwoera 16 DECEMBER 1955 Written Answer* 1132

regarding the expenditure incurred on these Pott Offices etc. in Piin|eb end Centres by the Family Planning Associa­ PEPSU tion of lndia> the Red Cross Society and other Voluntary Organisations, who run 630. SftnUr Iqbal Singh: Will the these Centres is rot available. Minister of Communications be pleased to state: (c) Names of places where Family (a) the number of Post Offices and Planning Centres in the Punjab are locat- Telegraph Offices, Experimental Post »cd are given below:— Offices and Extra-Departmental Offices opened in the different Districts of the Lady Reading HDjpital F^jab and PfePSU since 1954; Simla. (b) the nimiber of such offices pro­ 2. Health Centre, Chhota SimU. p o se to be opened in the above Districts 3. Snowdown Hospital^ Simla. during the year 1955-56; and (c) the number of such offices closed 4- Mission Hospital, Ambala City. there during the above period ? 5. Mission Dispensary, Ambala Cantt. The D^uty Minister of Communi­ 6. Civil Hospiul, AmbJda. cations (Shri Ra) Bahadur): (a) to 7* Civil Hospital, Karnal. (c). The information is being collected and will be placed on the Table of the Lok S. Civil Hospital, Shahabad. Sabha shortly. 9. Civil Hospital, . Compensation for Air 10. Civil Hospital, . A ccidents 11. Female Hospital, Rewari. 12. Female Hospital, Bhiwani. 6ai. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the Minister of Communications be pleased 13. Civil Hospital, Hissar. to state the amount of compensation, if 14. Civil Hospital, Sirsa. any, paid for air accidents during 1954 and 1955 so far? . 15. Civil Hospital, Hansi. 16. Civil Hospital, Rohtak. The Deputy Minister of Communi­ cations (Sliri Rmi Bahadur): The 17. Civil Hospital, Sonepat. mounts of compensation paid during 18. Civil Hospital, Beri. 1954 1955 to the dependents of persons killed in accidents to aircraft of 19* Civil Hospital, Ludhiana. Indian Airlines and Air India International 20. Civil Lines Health Centre> Ludhiana. Corporations are as follows:— 21. Civil Hospital, Jullunbur. I.A.C. A.I.I. 22. Health Centre, Jullundur. 23. Female Hospital, Nakodar. Rs. Rs. 1954 27,500 Nil. 24. Q vil Hospital, Hoshiarpor. 1955 3,03,000 2,64,000 25. ] ^ . Maternity Hospital, Hewhiw- por. The amounts represent payments 26. Health Centre, Hoshi^pur. made to the dependents etc. of the Indian Airlines Corporation or Air India Inter­ 27. Katra K. S. Health Centre, Amritsar. national crew who were killed in air 28. Govt. Hospital for Women, Amrititr. accidents inclusive of the amounts for which the crew were insured. No compen­ 29. Chattarbhu) Hospital, Amritsar. sation has been paid during this period 30. Prina of Wales Municipal Hospital, in respect of any passenger killed in air Amntsar. accidents involving Indian Airlines Co- poration or Air India Interniitional air­ 31. Female Dispensary, £atala. craft. 32. Civil Hospital, Gurdaspur. Lighting and Fans in Railway 33* Civil Hospiul, Dharamaala. Coaches 34. Mission Hospital, Palampur. 6aa« Shri Rishang Kelshing t Will the Minister of Railw ays be pleased to 35. Civil Hospital, Abohar. state: 36. Q vil Hospital, Fazilka. (a) whether it is a fact that some of the third class coaches in the pas­ 37- Civil Hospital, Nangal. senger trains running between Katihar and Amingaon Stations are not provided 38, Colony Hospital, Nilokheri. with fans and lights; PEPSU.ily Planning Centre ousts in (b) if so, the number of such coaches: and II33 Writttn AmwevB 16 D1 Written An$wert I 134 (c) the steps taken to provide such Supply of Wagons coaches with lights and fans? 62s* Shri P. G. Sen: Will the M inis' The Parliamentary Secretary to the ter of RaUways be pleased to state: Minister of Railwm and Transport (Shrl Shahnawax Khan)i Ca) to (c). (a) the number of wagons supplied Lights—No. to the different jute centres during this »?ason ; and Fans— ^Yes. (b) what was rhe number of demand 22 out of 75 coaches of the nine rakes of wagons during November, 1955 running between these stations are not and the numbei supplied during the provided with fans. 20 out of these month r 22 are over-age coaches which are not being provided with fans. The remaining The Parliamentary Secretary to the 2 coaches will be fitted with fans when Minister of Railways and Transport they pass through shops for P.O.H. (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) and (b). A statement is laid on th? Tabic of the Timber in Andaman and Nicobar House. Appendix V, Annexure No. Islands 58]. 623. Shri S. C. Samanta: Will the Key VUlages and Artificial Insemination Minister of Food and Agriculture be '. Centres pleased lay on the Table of the House a statement shovping: 626. Shri Hem Raji WiU the Minis­ ter of Food and Agriculture be pleased (a) the amount of limber exploited to state : since 1947 year by year in the Anda­ man and Nicobar Islands by (a) Govern­ (a) the number of the Key Villages ment and (b) non-official agencies (se­ and artificial insemination centres pro­ parately); posed to be opened in the Western Hima­ layan regions; and (b) the manner of their utilisation; (c) \^hether there is any seasoning (b) the names of such centres opened plant either in Andaman Islands or in or porposed to be opened under the First the main land to treat those Andaman Five Year Plan period? timbers; and / The Minister of Food and Agtl- (d) the varieties of timbers available culture (Shri A. R Jain): (a) in the Islands? Key Villages The Minister of Food and Agri­ A.I. Centres culture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) to (d). A statement is attached [»Sm Appendix V, (b) (i) Names of the Artificial Inse­ Annexure No. 57J. mination Centres opened or proposed to be opened during the First Five Year Railway Catering Plan period. 624. Shri Sanganna: Will the Opemd Minister of Railw ays be pleased to state: Name of State Name of the Centres (a) whether Government are aware Himachal Pradesh . i. Solan. that there are no satisfactory catering 2. Kotgarh. airangements on Waltair-Raipur pas­ 3. fiilaspur. senger trains on the South Eastern Railway; 4. Ghumarwai. and (b) if so, ^^hat steps Government Puniab . . Chandigarh. propose to take to improve them ? The Parliamentary Secretary to the Uttar Pradesh 1. Haldwani. Minister of Railways and lifansport 2. Nagla. (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) While Proposed to be optned. no catering arrangements are provided on the trains running on the Waltair-Raipur Jammu and Kashmir i. Jammu. section, the Restaurants, Refreshment 2. Kashmir Rooms and Tea Stalls available at the diflerent statioQs of this Section, adequately I (ii) Names of Key Vi Hag*: centres meet the needs of the passengers. cannot be given as a Key VilliLge (b) As the existing catering arrange­ rs a compact area of one village ments at stations on this Seaion are con­ . or a group of contiguous Villages sidered adequate, no proposals to intro­ containing a total population of duce any catering service on these trains about 500 cows and/or R e­ are under consideration. buff aloes. 1135 W ritten Answeru 16 l^SCJEQKCBER 1955 Written Aniwers 1136

M in or Irrigation Schemes ment for inclusion in the Second Five (Ptm )ab) Year Plan have been received back after having been recast; and

Will the Minister 637. ShriHemRa}: (b) if so» their names location ? of Food and Agriculture be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 934 on the 20th April, 1955 The Minister of Food and Agri­ and state: ' culture (Shri A* P. Jain): (a) Not far. (a) whether the minor irrigation schemes proposed by the Punjab Govern­ (b) Docs not arise. II37 DAILY DIGEST [fridapylM 1955] Column C ou am ORAL ANSWERS TO Suhjut qy BSTIONS 1057-93 Vd. S.Q. Suhjtct 935 Houses for Coal Mine Workers . . . XO84-85 891 Labour Legislacioti 936 Training of Flying Per- , ^ Andamans.. . . 1057— 58 sonnel . . . 1085-^6 893 Cattle and Crop Insu­ 937 Central R ce Research rance Schemes • . 1058—59 Institute . . • 1087 894 Foodgrain Prices . . 1059 938 Cultivadon of Jowar> Bajra ^ and Maize . . . 1087—88 896 Telephone and Telegraph 939 All India Industrial Tri­ Systems . . . 1059—60 bunal (Colliery Dis­ 897 Pooled Rate for Coal Z060— 6z putes) • . . X088—89 899 Jute Production . . xo6i—64 940 Indian Shipping . • 1089—90 900 Passenger Guides on Nor­ SHORT NOTICE QUEST ION thern Railway . . 1064— 65 AND A N SV ^S 901 Janata Train . . . 1065— 66 S^N.Q. No. 90a National Savings Certi­ VJP. 1090-^2 ficates . . . 1066 4 Sugarcane Prices in 903 Air India International 1066—67 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO 904 GhatatPatna. . . 1067— 68 ^ QUESTIONS 1091— XX36 905 Rehabilitation of the Han­ No.' dicapped . . . 1068--69 890 Amenities to T.T.E.S. . X091—93 91X Recruitment on Railways X069— 71 892 Hqlid^forthe P. & T. 9 za Vivekanand Research Staff. XO93 Institute. . . . X07i--7a 895 Sugar (Control) Order, 913 Gaunavarum Aerodrome 107a— ^73 X955 • . • X093 9x5 Telephone Connections 898 TELCO . . X093—94 (Almora District) . 1073— 74 906 MangalapuzhaBridge X094 917 Porbilia Colliery . . 1074—75 907 Godavari Bridge ... 1095 919 Recruitment of Doctors in Manipur . . . 1075 908 Electrification of Sealdah Division . . . 1095 921 Railway accidents . . 1075— 76 909 Railway Security Force . Z095 922 All-India Service of Medi­ XO96 cal College Teachers . XO76 910 Ahmedabad-AbuLine . 9x4 Udaipur-Banswara Tele­ 923 Madras-Rangoon Steamer phoneLine . . XO96 Service . . . 1077 916 Calcutu Port . . X096— 97 924 Telephone Exchange at 918 Delhi RoadTranspon Pumea . . . 1078 Service . . . 1097 925 Air Strips in Kangra and 920 Air India International . X098 Kulu Valleys . . 1078 926 Saurashtra Railway Cor^ 927 Indian Mines Act . . 1079—80 ruption Case . . XO98 928 Fann Mechanisation (Trai­ 932 Air India International . 1098—99 ning) . . . 1080 Bridge over Vasista . 1099 ' 929 Thefcs and Dacoities on 934 Railways . . . 1080—81 U.S.Q. No. 930 Tube-wells . . . 1081— 8a 562 Train Service between 931 Artificial Insemination PatnaandDarbhanga . 1099 Centres (Punjab) . X082— 83 563 Medical Instioioons im 933 Cancer. . . . 1084 ChioB . . . 1099— xioo 457 L.SJ). (4) H39 ZZ40 PAIL Y D IG EST WRITTBN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS— Cdfiti.

U ^ .Q Suhjm Columns V.S.Q. Slilisct C olum ns ^ Nc. 564 Improvement at Dar- 596 lUidsonSiations . . Xiao bhangt and Lahcria 597 Railway accidoitt . . 112 1. Sarai Stadons . . xioo— 04 598 Contributory Health Ser­ 5« P. and T . Oonplaiiits Or^ vice Scheme .. . 1121 ganisatioii . . . 1x04 599 Acricultural Labour . 1121— 22 566 K^tSdiools . • 1x04 600 Laxmdering of Linen in WestemlUilway . Z122 567 RollingStock . . XX04—05 601 Cultivable Land . . ZX22 J 6 a \Compost Manure . . 1X05 569 Damage by Floods . . 1x05—06 602 Maritime Museum . . 1122— 23 570 Travelling Ticket E*ami- 663 Rampur-Haldwani Rail nen .... XX06 Link , . , 1123 i 7i FrpnrierMai!. . . XIO6-07 ^ 4 Accident on National High­ 572 Central Board of Timni- way . . . . 1223 port . . . . 1x07 605 Bombay Port . . 1124 ■ B.C.G. Vaccination. . X107— 08 573 606 Delhi Road Transport 574 Complaintl . . . 1108 Service . . . XI24 Hill Stations . . 1108— 09 575 607 Tourist Centre . . 576 il^uljway Accident . \ X109 i « 5 608 DhanushkodiPier . . 577 Third Class Sleeping Ac­ 1125 commodation . . 1110—^11 609 New Delhi Railway Station 1126 SVt* Waiter C o o to on North- 6ro Railway Coach Factory . 1126 Eastern Railway . XXXI 611 Employment Exchanges . 1126— 27 579 PiM>lic Health Engineers . IIXI— 12 612 Over-bridge a't Madras . 1127 580 Tobac^Ctdtivation . XXX2— X3 613 Sweepers . . . 1127— 28 581 Ceilings on Land Holdings H X 3-I4 614 Malaria Institute of India 1128 ^ 2 Disxnantled Railway Lines III4— 15 615 Tubewells . . . 1128 583 Delhi Suburban Railway 616 Aerodromes . . . 1128— 29 Service . . . III5 617 Railway Wagons . . 1129 584 S i^ r . ■ . . III5 618 Import of Sugar . . 1130 585 :Siihurban Railway Advi- 619 Family Planning Centies . 1130— 31 "' spry Coiimiittec . III5 620 Post Offices etc. in 586 CHhitaimi Ghat Railway Punjab and PEPSU . I132 Station . . . Ill6 621 Compensation for Air Ac­ 587 P. & T. BuUding Pro- cidents . . , 1 132 i -V ' ’ gramme . . . II16 622 Lighting and Fans in Rail­ 588 Khadi Uniforms . . XXX6— 17 way Coaches* . . 1132— 33 589 Sugar Factories in PEPSU i n 7 623 Timber in Andaman and 590 ^'uin Clearance in Delhi . I 1I7 Nicobar Islands . . 1133 D ^ Farming . . 1117— ig 591 624 Railway Catering 1133 ^ {U^stration of Wagons . H18— 29 5 625 Supply of Wagons . . 593 Manufacture of Wagons 1134 and Coaches . . . 1119 626 Key Villages and Artificial Itinsemination Centres 1134 594 Stopping of Trains . . 1119 595 Accidents on Northern 4 627 Minor Irrigation Schemes Railway . . . XI19— 20 (Punjab). . . . 1J35— 36 LOK SABHA DEBATES (Part II—Proceedings other than Questions and Answtts)

2837 2838 LOK SABHA India, without any amendment, the Constitution (Fifth Amend­ Friday, 10th December, 195^ ment) Bill, 1955, which was passed by the Lok Sabha at its sitting held on tiie 13th Decem­ ber, 1955.” The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock

[M r. Speaker in the Chair] PAPER LAID ON THE TABLE

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS S tatem en t re action bv Oovernmbnts ON f.L.O. Recommsnoatzon (See Part I) The Deputy Minister of Labonr (ShriA bidA U ): I beg to lay on the table a copy of the statement on .2-07 P.M. action taken or proposed to be taken by the Government of India on the MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA Reconmiendation adopted by the I. L. O. Conference at its Thirty- Secretary: Sir, I have to repot the seventh Session held in June, 19M. following two messages received from [See Appendix V, annexure No. 59] the Secretary of Rajya Sabha:

(1) “In accordance with the provisions of rule 125 of the Rules COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF of Procedure and Conduct of MEMBERS FROM srPTINOS OF Business in the Rajya Sabha, I THE HOUSE am directed to inform the Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha, at T welfth R eport its sitting held on the 14th De­ cember, 1956, agreed without any Shrl Altekmr (North Satara): I beg amendment to the Citizenship to present the Twelfth Report of the Bill, 1955, which was passed by Committee on Absence of Members the Lok Sabha at its sitting held from the sittings of the House. on the 6th December, 1955.” I also lay a list showing names of Members who were continuously (2) **In accordance with the absent from the sittings of the House provisions of rule 125 of the for 15 days or more during the Tenth Rules of Procedure and Conduct Session, 1955. of Business in the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to inform the Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha» at MOTION RE REPORT OF STATES its sitting held on the 15th De­ REORGANISATION COMMISSION cember, 1955 passed, in accor­ dance with the provisions of arti­ Mr. Spesken The House wfll now cle 868 of the Constitution of proceed with the further consideratioD 493 L.S.D--1, 2839 Motion re; 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 284c

[Mr. Speaker] of the following motion moved by others should have a chance rather Pandit Govind Ballabh Pant on the than ask the Chair to enforce a time 14th December, 1955: limit. I shall, if need be, enforce a time limit if the House wishes me to do so. But, it is better that the whole *‘That the Report of the States ground is cleared and some representa­ Reorganisation Commission be tive speeches are allowed a longer time taken into consideration.’’

I also said the other day as to how Mr. Gadgil. we should conduct the debate and the lines on which we should proceed. I Shrl Punnoose (Alleppey): May I had indicated some lines. Thereafter, make one submission? The speeches it is felt not only by me but also by that are being made have been very my colleagues on the panel of Chair­ instructive, but too long. The result men that it is better that the case for would be that many of us who want each province or each State is first to take part in the debate may not stated. It is not a regular hard and have the opportunity. I do not want fast rule. It is not possible to complete the lime \o be shv^rtened especially the case of each area. Let there be with regard to speakers like Mr. Gad­ some speeches and let us thus finish gil, but there must be a time-limit fix­ one round for all the areas in the ed. Secondly, this is a subject on which Union. I believe the hon. Member divergent views have to be put forth, comes from Travancore-Cochin. and many parties have been cut across. But certain parties which have not Shrl Punnooee: Yes. been cut across should not be penalised. There are many of us here who are not Members coming from the Punjab Mr. Speaker: I am keeping a watch or U. P. and we have got definite views on the thing. I may inform him,... for the good of the country also. There­ fore, this group should not be com­ pletely overlooked. For the whole of Shrl M. A. Ayyangar (Tirupati): yesterday, none of us were called. Three Members have spoken from Travancore-Cochin.

Mr. Speaker; The Business advisory Committee, in view of the considera­ Mr. Speaker: To be very accurate^ tions mentioned by the hon. Member, I am verifying. Two Members from Travancore-Cochin have spoken till has allotted a sufficiently long time of 54 hours. The hon. Member was not now. On the analysis that I have, two present in the House when I made from Bihar, one from Madras, one from two statements on two different occa­ Madhya Pradesh,—I am referring to sions and that is why he has raised the existing States and not the States these points. I did put a time-limit, or as recommended by the S.R.C.— suggested a time-limit of SO minutes; but, I had also stated that representa­ tive speakers will have to be given Pandit D. N. Tlwary (Saran South). more time. If I may say so, in those One from Bihar. areas where there is a keener contest, those areas will have to be given some Mr. Speaker: I am speaking from more time. I hope that by the time records and not from impression only. these 54 hours are finished, every one wiU get a chance. I also agree with His suggestion that every speaker who An Hon. Member: Nobody has sp(^ feis up snouid bear this in mind that tan from Madras. 2841 Motion re:' 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2S42

Mr. Speaker: That is also a wrong him that he will be thoroughly disap Btatcment. Hon. Members will bear pointed. with me and hear me. One from Madras, one from Madhya Pradesh... I appreciate what Pandit G. B. Pant has said in one of his best speeches Shri T. S. A. Chettlar (Tiruppur): If that I have ever heard that this ques­ I may point out... tion should be solved in a calm and in a dignified atmosphere. I have had the privilege of working with him for Mr. Speaker: Let him not interfere. nearly 3 years and the first lessons in Two from Andhra, two from Bombay, parliamentary life that I learnt were two from Hyderabad, two from Tra- at his feet. We were then only 45 in vancore-Cochin, one from West Bengal this House. But, we were a number to one from Mysore, two from the Pun­ be counted in a House of 145. He led jab have spoken. It is also the desire Us in battle and now he is leading us of the Chair to allow further speakers. in the consolidation process of our But. let us travel through the other country. I endorse his appeal for provinces and concentrate, as I said, on unity, for compromise and I feel grea^ the most contentious problems in the Jy obliged to him when he said that all S. R. C. Report. All people will, I endeavours would be made to arrivo hope get a chancfil. I may make here at a solution acceptable to aD con­ cerned. the position clear that I do wish to give a chance to the Centrally Adminis­ tered areas, particularly Tripura, Mani­ pur and other areas, as also to certain I also appreciate what my hon. Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes friend Shri S. K. Patil has said about where the problems are of a different compromise, co-operation, this, that character. But, it is not possible to and the other. I assure him that, be­ have all this within the short space ing a disciple of Mahatma Gandhi, to of a day or two. They have to wait; as much an extent as possible, I will not only to wait, but keep present also go to the farthest length to have an in the House so that whenever they acceptablo solution. But, there is a are called upon, they will be ready to limit. That limit is, nobody can com­ deliver their speeches or give their promise one’s self respect, no woman views. That is what I propose to da can compromise her chastity and no But, then, it is not possible to do it country its freedom. What I am immediately at the beginning or in afraid of is that what the Commission one or two days. Let them wait and has said about the Maharashtrian have patience. race has constituted an insult wliich, in the course of our history during the last 600 years, has never been parallel­ Shrl Gadgll (Poona Central): I ap­ ed. We know how to answer such an preciate the wishes of this hon. House insult. But, those methods are not valid today and are not relevant and expressed yesterday that I should immediately &>llow my esteemed are certainly not democratic, to the principles of which I and all of us are friend Shri S. K. Patil. I know that pledged. the Members of this House are very anxious to know fully and franftly the case for Samyukta Maharashtra and My hon. friend Shri S. K. Patil said that is the reason why they desired that this was not the time to consider me to speak. There may be a man the question of reorganisation of States here and there who perhaps may be and in the memorandum submitted on thinking that this will be a forum in behalf of the Bombay Provincial which two gladiators from Maharash­ Congress Committee, this is what one tra will exchange blows. I assure finds; 2843 Motion re; 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of a.RX,. 2844 [Shri Gadgil] **One must not be deceived by faculty of thinking independently the vociferous propaganda carried that the political leaders of the on by some of our political leaders present generation are unfit to con­ for immediate lin^guistic division sider the linguistic problem in an of the country. They have per­ impartial, unbiased and objective fected their propaganda machine manner.” and everything is being said and I do not know who that gentleman done in the name of poor ignorant is. One can easily imagine who he masses who know nothing about can possibly be. This is an insult to it, nor are concerned about it/’ my great leader Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru and his colleagues. If our What happened on the 18th of leadership has been known for any­ November, what happened on the 21st thing, it has been known for solving of Novemberv constitute an eloquent the most difficult problems in the testimony to the feelings of the Maha­ most amicable, peaceful and tactful rashtrian masses in Bombay. There manner. When our great leader is are people with whom it is a commer­ good enough to solve the problems of cial proposition to misrepresent matters. world politics, when our leaders are I am not dilating on this because I good enough to solve the problems of do not want to create any bitterness. planning and the future economic But, I would urge with all the humility affairs of this country, and when they at my command that the Government are good enough to rule this country, do institute an enquiry and And for it is said that they are not good ^emselves who flred, where the firing enough to solve the problem of re­ took place and how the whole thing organisation of States. was tactlessly handled. If the poor people are ignorant and are not interes­ The problem of reorganisation of ted In it, I am receiving dozens of States is as important as the problem letters, I am getting newspaper reports of achieving freedom. After all, re­ where meetings and meetings are held organisation of States is organisation of where it is stated that anything freedom. Freedom was won; and I am short of Samyukta Maharashtra with very glad to say that we have been the city of Bombay as capital will not very fortunate in having substantially be acceptable. And I am glad the same leadership to continue during to find in today’s papers that the process of consolidation. History the chairman of the Standing Com­ tells us that the leaders of revolution mittee of the Bombay Corporation has are its first victims. This happened in come out openly and has said that he France; this happened in many Euro­ stands for two States, one Gujerat and pean countries. But in our country, the the other Maharashtra with Bombay leadership that led us to freedom con­ city as its Capital. That is a very tinues to guide our destinies, and it is good thing that I have noticed while because of this that we can talk on a entering the House today. level and in an atmosphere which is full of friendliness, understanding, and If the people are nobody, is that o the spirit of give-and-take. democratic approach? What is this problem of reorganisa­ Baba Ramnarayan Singh (Hazari- tion of States? We adopted a Consti­ bagh West ): No. tution in which we said that the State will be federal. If the State is federal, Shrl Gadgll: Further, I find that one there must be some principles on of the persons who had been which the constituent States must be advocating cosmopolitan life in Bombay deUmited. If it is a question ias said as follows: of building only a godown. •Tliere is a strong view held by there is no difficulty; you can just have those who have still retained their four walls, a few doors and tne roof. 2845 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of 5 J tC 2846

But if it is a question of building a gone back. But the problem for us is good bungalow, then you must deter­ still there, namely how to bring what mine the size of the rooms, the size the Government does and what the of the doors, ventilators, this, that and Government plans to the meanest man, the other. It is because we have to the poorest cottage in the village. adopted a federal Constitution, that That is possible only when we properly we must lay down certain principles reorganise our States. on which we can delimit the States. There are people who think that In order to organise our freedom, there cannot be any other principle our ftrst attempt has been to have a substantially than that of language. Constitution. We had it, and we ac­ And that has been acpepted by us be­ cepted what was there because it is fore, in the course of the last thirty not possible to write in politics on a years. We know what sort of agitation clean slate. It is just like correcting the Bihari people carried on in 1911. the proof, you correct the proof and And they got the Bihar State. Then, while correcting you commit more mis­ the Orissa people got the Orissa State, takes. This process goes on. So, when and the Sind people got the Sind State. we adopted a Constitution, we accepted And eveto after Independence, 1|ie what was there, and said that a further Andhra State came into existence. The discussion of this will be undertaken entire trend of our politics has been later on. And before actually the Cons­ that there should be delimitation subs­ titution was adopted, two attempts were tantially on the basis of language. And made, one by the Dar Commission, and the other trend is that the smaller the other by the JVP Committee. But States should not exist; the trend is the JVP Report was never put before from the small to the big. These two the Constituent Assembly; it was never tendencies are there. put before the Congress. It was just considered. I cannot disclose an}rthing May, I here also quote the views of further, but it was not finally adopted Sardar Patel? In 1946, in the month by anybody. of May, a deputation of Kannada Now, the problem is this. How are people waited on him, and this is what we to delimit the States? And what he replied. He said that the first act are the principles we should follow? of free India would be to bring together In this, we have the guidance of history, all Kannada-speaking people under one and we have our own experience. Part State. Then, in Rajkot, when he in­ of it was detailed by Pandit G. B. augurated the Saurashtra State,—tin the Pant when he traced the history of bringing about of which 1 too had some this question. humble part—he said: *'One dream of Saurashtra is realised; the greater May I go a little earlier and say dream of Maha Gujarat will soon be that Mr. Elphinstone, the first Gover­ realised.” These are the assurances. nor of Bombay, was once camping These have been |tl\|e trends. They nearabout Poona? A director of the have entered into the political life of Kast India Company saw him, and our country. And if anybody at this when he saw on his table a number of moment says that we must reverse the Marathi books, he said ‘What non­ process, all I can say is that it is a sense is this'? Why have you encour­ mad man’s attempt. There are people aged translation of English books into who want to denotmce this as linguism. Marathi? His reply was historic. He Any virtue carried to its extreme can sail!- “Our aim is to see fhat the be denounced. Nobody has asked that meanest man in the land understands anyone who speaks this language what oui Government is.’’ Secondly, should go there or anyone who he said: rhese books constitute a speaks the other language should come highway back to England*’ . That tra. here. But by and large, this princi­ yeller has taken the highway and ple and the territorial integrity of the 2847 re: 16 DiSCEMBER. 1955 Report of S.R.RC. 2848 [Shri GadgU] sidered at that stage. But they did not do it, and, I am sorry to say, State or territory in which that langu­ that was a grievous mistake on their age is spoken must be maintained, be­ part. If they had decided the princi­ cause it is consistent with justice and ples, the prmciples on which the deli­ consistent with lair-play. In the mitation of States was to be achiev­ process of integration of States, in ed, this House would have had suffi­ which I too had some humble part to cient time to discuss the principles, play, we integrated the States keeping and the principles having been this as the principle; and we brought accepted, implementation would have into existence Madhya Bharat, Rajas­ followed. They have not done that. than, PEPSU and so on and so forth. What they have done is to present a When this process was going on, the final picture in which everything is Government of India decided not a on an ad hoc basis. moment too early, as has been well said by Pandit Govind Ballabh Pant, [Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair] that a Commission should be appoint­ If anybody could tell me that what ed to go into this question. Now, the they have said in this has not been fimction of the Commission should not departed from, although I am a poor be misunderstood. If I want to build man, I am prepared to give Rs. 5 by a house, I engage an architect, whether way of prize. Every prmciple, whe­ an individual or a firm. But his deci­ ther for delimiting the borders or sions are not binding on me, because constituting this State or that State he does not know exactly what con­ has been departed from and there veniences I want, and what sentiments have been ad hoc solutions. I say, I have to respect. Therefore, he has where you want to bring into exis­ to prepare only a plan taking into tence an enduring entity—this is not consideration as much as possible all a sort of current repair as they say these matters. But the final voice in P.W.D., but this is structural re­ very rightly depends upon the pair—there must be some philosophy people and their representatives in behind the structure of the State. Let the highest tribunal in this land, us have the first principles of that namely this Parliament. philosophy, let us have the broad picture of that philosophy before we Then the Commission was appoint­ agree to it. ed. I do not want to say anything about the personnel; they are all Now, as I said, the preliminary good people. But, with the best of report or interim report was not sub­ intentions, what they have produce mitted. What did they say about has created trouble in all the States language? The present position, except Uttar Pradesh. Commissions whatever be our views—the views of may come and Commissions may go, the advanced few like my hon. but Uttar Pradesh continues. I do friend, Shri S. K. Patil—is this: not envy; I admire. “It has to be remembered that linguistic and other group loyal­ An Hon. Member: Admire the soli­ ties have deep roots in the soil darity. and history of India. The cul­ Shri Gadgil: The point is that this ture—based regionalism, centring Commission was asked to present an round the idea of linguistic homo­ interim report. That is clear from geneity, represents to the average the Government resolution appointing Indian values Easily intelligible to it. If the Commission had done that, him. Indian nationalism, on the many of the troubles and tribulations other hand, has still to develop into a positive concept’*. would have been spared. If they had propounded in their interim report, That is the broad fact today. ‘Well, we want a bi-lingual State!' Having accepted that to be a broad that matter would have been con­ fact, they say also after two or three 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2850 2849 Motion re: Shn Gadgil: That I always do— the composite paragraphs, about when you are in the Chair. State idea: Two things they have said in tne *‘0n the other hand» such loyal­ Report. One is that the Punjabi ties as did develop within the language and the western Hindi are area were based on languages. practically the same. I am not a The same holds true about Bom­ linguist or philologist; so I do not bay and Madhya Pradesh. Mara­ want to say anything on it But this thi and Gujarati feeling grew up is what itiey have said. Secondly, side by side, practically to the ex­ the majority of Punjabi-speaking clusion of any particular loyalty people tnemselves are opposed to it. to the province or State of Bom­ Now, take the case of Bombay. So bay” . far as Bombay is concerned, their first plea is that we are continuing This is the position. And they the old State. 'I am surprised. Of ■ummarised that, having taken into the old State, Karnataka is gone, consideration everything, language is Kutch is brought, Marathwada is not the only principle on which it brought in—and tnen you tell us that should be done, but there are other it is the same State, having the same considerations, administrative, econo­ progressive administration, this, that mic, this, that and the other. I am and the other! We did not represent not concerned with what they have our grievances—may 1 point out with said, but with what they have done. great humility—in our memorandum. In all the 16 States, except three—to Not that we had no grievances. We which I shall come—language has have suffered in the course of the last been the only principle which has three years; the Gujaratis have not guided them in disintegrating and suffered. If they point out one single integrating. Whether it is a small administrative discrhninatory act taluk or whether it is a sub-division against the Congress Government or whether it is a district, whatever before 1952, I shall withdraw my they have done to take from one statement. But I do not want to m- State and give to another is done crease bitterness. I would only ask entirely with a view to bring about the House, if the Hk)us6 wants to know greater linguistic homogeneity. Now. how we have sulffered, to refer to the the three States, to which I referred, proceedings of the Bomt^ay Legisla­ are Punjab, Assam and Bombay. tive Assembly between 18th Novem­ While laying down the principle, they ber and 22nd November. We did not have been very careful to make some mention this because we are brothers, remarks so vague that anything that good brothers. Although there was no they wanted to do with respect to common loyalty, o>ir relations are ex­ Bombay State could be interpreted in cellent. So far as 1 personally am the context of that vagueness. Now, concerned, my best friends are in Kutch is brought, Maratjiwada is Gujarat. I was partly educated at any stretch of imagination, cannot be the Baroda College. I have nothing a uni-lingual State, because of its but love for them—I tell you this is geographic position and because of the my innermost feeling. political consequences following parti­ An Hon. Member: Bhai^ bhai. tion. It is impossible—it cannot be a uni-lingual State. Therefore, to say Shri Gadgil: We did not represent that they have made an exception in these because when two brothers are the case of Assam is not relevant for partitioning, what is' the good of one this purpose. Then take the case of brother telling the other, 'When your Punjab. I must talk with great res­ eldest daughter was married, you bought so many saris. Now, you traint so far as Punjab is concerned. have not purchased any’. Will you Mr. Depaty-Speaker: Even other­ kindly take all these things into con wise. sideration. No. Let us close the old 2851 M otion Tt: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S,R.C. 2852 [Shri Gadgil] Patil has changed his opinion he held chapter and open a new chapter. in 1946 when he was the chairman of 1 have always aaid^ we do not want the Reception Committee of the Sam- to be in this political partnership any yukta Maharashtra Sammelan held in longer; we will be very good neigh­ Blavatsky Lodge. Of course, he hits bours; our relations will improve every right to ckfeinge his opinion. He from every point of view. I have changed it. 1 do not quarrel about said that to them; I say that again it. today. Shrl S. K. Patil (Bombay City— South): I was one of the Speakers. So this continuation of the same State is not a fact. It is just like say­ Shri Gadgil: Whatever it is, the in­ ing: ‘It is the old coat.* when only the formation published in papers is that inside collar, which can be changed, he was the Chairman of the Recep­ is there; the rest is absolutely new. tion Committee. However, I am pre­ That is how the thinfe actually looks. pared to accept for the time b ^ g his Then they have put us together, hav­ explanation. That is not much in it. ing given a finding here, that there is The point is that the Commission no common loyalty as such grown. I changed their views. I do not refer to can speak also about the class B what forecasts were put in the various States, to go into the* financial aifalrs papers. They were not contradicted. of which, a committee was oppbinted, I may say how this formula came into and I was its Chairman. I went to existence. In the month of May a several places, to Saurashtra, to high Congress authority toured my Madhya Bharat, to PEPSU and Rajas­ province and tried to persuade me to than. It was only in Saurashtra that accept a State of this character and I found, with great pleasure, that I plainly told him that this would some sort of common loyalty was not be possible because things have growing, and I congratulated the moved and people were in no mood Chief Minister there. But elsewhere, and we wanted to solve the problem the loyalty was to Jodhpur or Indore not for the time being but finally. or Qwalior, to this, that and the other. Ours is the best principle as you will Therefore, knowing our own people have Maha Gujarat for which Munshi as we do, the politican has to deal has been trying. I am not even a with facts, and that man can work it member of the Samyukta Maharashtra out successfully who sees what is pos­ Parishad. When reorganisation is to sible, when and how. That is in a come it should be final and no interim •ense the definition of politics. That solutions should be there. I shall refer there was no state loyalty was their to what I said before the Dax finding. Knowing this, they have Commission. I stated that I do done us a wrong. Why? It is because not want samyukta Maharashtra they say their finding is that Bombay here and now; I do not want it cannot be a separate State; if it is a till the first elections are held; but it separate State, it will be a retrograde should iK>t be denied before the next State and if you give it any constitu­ election. This is exactly the tim#^ tional status and make it a different now so that the problem may be administrative unit, it will not be con­ finally solved. We wanted time to sistent with the general constitutional consolidate the 590 States which we pattern of our country. Therefore, integrated and brought into our bigger having come to that conclusion and polity. This progress of consolida­ having come to the conclusion that it tion must work and a due sense of is geographically in Maharashtra, they responsibility must grow. Then we did not have the courage in the end can have these delimitations. That to say that it should go to Maharash­ was my position. tra. I have good reasons to believe I trace what happend now. In June that they changed their views. Every­ a meeting was held at the place of body changes his view. Not that I the Chief Minister of Bombay attend­ dim niot change my view. Even Mr ed by the top-most Oujerati leaders aS53 Motion re; 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2854 and thereafter this bilingual thing People who do not know the work­ started—that this is going to come— ing of the Congress and other political to which there was no reference in parties in India in Maharashtra will any papers uptill then. You will find naturally say “what is wrong in it from the Report itself. They say it'*? 1 will tell you what is wrong. ‘we have rejected totally the claim The wrong is that in Maharashtra the of Maha Gujarat but we are assured political consciousness is very great. by the Gujarat Provincial Congress You go to any village. You will find Committee that important elements that they have knowledge of up to in Gujarat will accept this proposal. date things. When I toured during Did they ask the leaders of the Sam- the last elections, in one Dhangar yukta Maharashtra Parishad or the village a villager asked me “wh«t is President of the M.P.C.C. “What have this business of recall which is being you to say about this formula?" No. preached by the Socialist Partv»\ I Any way one finds lack of procedural said “look here, it is very simple. In propriety and correctitude if nothing the good old days when the Moghuls else. If they had told then how their were ruling an officer was appointed mind was working I would have given and he used to ride the horse with them the formula which we gave his face towards the tail of the horse. before the High Command and later Somebody asked him why he is sitting on which we adopted in our M.P.C.C. so and he replied that nobody knew meetmg of having all the Gujarati when the other order of dismissal people and all the Maharashtrian would come (hinting that there was people in one State with Bombay city no security. That is recall**. He as capital. I would have done this if understood it all right. The point is there had been an interim report. If we have a higher political conscious­ they had only said that they wanted ness and the result is in all the elec­ a bilingual State because multi-lingual tions—take the figures from 1921 up State develops a higher sort of to date—the proportion of non­ nationalism and if they had convinc­ Congressmen elected on other party ed me, I would have certainly accept­ tickets is considerable in relation to ed it. But that was not done. Now many other States except Travancore. this formula comes and this formula Take the present figures. Out of 152 is being sold to us by no other sales­ which are the Maharashtrian seats, man than Mr. Patil. He is much 114 are elected on Congress tickets more enthusiastic and much more and in Gujerat out of 98, 88 arc on clever than the S. R. Commission Congress tickets. Now supposing the itself. He is assertive, while commis­ Congress party is in the majority in sion is appologetic. During his forma­ the House, but in the Congress party tive years and subsequently he has itself the Maharashtrians will not be been living in the commercial and in the majority and this Constitutional cosmopolitan Bombay and, therefore, mechanism will be used, I do not say he is a good salesman. But having normally, but not unlikely, to our been by temperament and training detriment and we therefore, do not and also brought up in rural atmos­ want it in the light of our experience phere, I am a somewhat cautious and in the light of Commissions find­ buyer and if I distrust intellectual ing about loyalty. We only say that brilliance it is not that I have no res­ we will remain good neighbours. We pect for them but because of the fear do not want to be ejnemies. We will where my destiny ultimately will go still farther and Co-operate in lead me to if I accept it. Now let many things. But this is the position. me analyse the formula as it is. It Ap«irt from this, in the number of is said ^ a t ft will give us some ad­ members elected for Bombay Assem­ vantage. What is that advantage? bly from Maharashtra we have about It is that Maharashtrian area will be 8 non-Maharashtrians. I want to able to have tS to l i members more. know how many non-OuJeratls have 2855 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R,C. 2856

[Shri GadgH] that it is because other community been elected from the Gujerati area. people are there, just as I have found I will be surprised to know if there many a student complaining to me are any. There is no advantage. We that he has not been selected because do not want this partnership. Sup­ he is a Brahmin or that he is pose now I were to accept the inter­ not selected because he is a Maha­ pretation of my friend Mr. Patil, who rashtrian. I have asked them, says that your formula of having 'Have you ever considered that Vidarbha in the proposed bilingual there may ^e a possibly good expla­ state is no formula, because a bilingual nation for it?’ But Communalism will State is a balanced State. This is a increase. That will be the first result; new contribution to political science. I have no doubt about it. Communal­ What is this balanced State? How it ism of the bitterest type will be there. will function? If it is merely biling­ The Gujaratis, by and large, are ual and if bilinguism is Amrlt, let us traders, rich people and we have noth­ have the Vidarbha variety also. But if ing to lose except our poverty. Now, it is a balanced State that i 3 proposed you can just imagine the moral rela­ and that is what we suspected and I tionship that will exist between a am glad an authoritative interpreta­ community which is substantially tion of Commission’s mind has been rich, a fact admitted very graciously given by no less a personality than by the President of the Congress, ana Mr. Patil. It is because they wanted us, poor people. However high a a balanced State that they made character we may have, there will be Vidarbha a separate State although a few people who will be succumb­ bigger States have been merged ing to temptation and the whole thing like Madhya Bharat. Why was will be not a well-governed, well Vidarbha kept separate? It was administered State but a municipality done to ensure a balance in the in which people change sides accord­ proposed State of Bombay. That ing to self-interest. That is what will is the reason why Marathi speaking happen. (interruptions). Will the areas of Belgaum and Karwar were State be steady? In the reorganisa­ not included in the proposed State of tion of States what are we after? We Bombay. Give me what is mine. 1 want that there should be enduring will accept with good grace and peace and that the conditions for fur­ take from me what is not justly ther progress, economic, moral and mine I will part with it with blessing. social, of the community should be I assure you. Do lay down certain assured. But those conditions will principles. Do not say we cannot fast disappear. It is for these reasons break a district here and do break it that we oppose the S.R.C. formula. elsewhere. You have broken Talukas, We are appealed to in the name of the transferred Sub-Tahsils like Loharu. country again and again, we are asked You have taken villages as units in to take into consideration the unity, Andhra. Please for God’s sake this and that. If it is a special appeal observe some decency, some consis­ to us I must enter an humble pro­ tency and do not look upon consis­ test tency as entirely the virtue of fools. Tdke the history of 150 years. Anyway this will not go down the Immediately we lost our power we throats of hon. Members of this started public life. In Bombay, Bal House. Shastri, Jambekar and others led the How will this balanced State for­ intellectual movement before the mula work? Just consider that in University days. After University, the context of the circumstances the prince of graduates, namely Jus­ which we have inherited. If the tice Ranade—who looked like Pandit elections go against any parti­ Govind Ballabh Pant as I said in one cular group or any adminis­ of my books—Justice Telang—and trative act is unpalatable to it, they other people led the movement. Who will always lay it down to the factor were the founders if the Indian 2857 Motion re; 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2858 National Congress? The Maharattas. that it is not going to be a itable Who were the pioneers in violent State. This balanced State is a action? Chapekar, Kanare, Phadke dangerous State. It will be a and later on Bapat and Savarkar. state of unbalanced politics. This You may condemn them. In the re­ bilingual State is a dangerous orientation of the Congress policy State. You accept the principle of when the liberals sat tight over it, language everywhere but you are who was it that brought in new life? denying it to us. Why io it? Who propounded the new tenets and new philosophy. It was Lokamanya Under the new Working Committee Tilak. In the Home Rule Movement formula the suggestion is that all the he led and in the 1920 movement we Marathi-speaking areas from Madhya were behind none and ahead of many Bharat, Marathi areas of Hyderabad provinces. How are we? I will mere­ and main Maharashtra will be under ly quote the certificate given to us one State but Bombay city will be a by no less a person than Mahatma separate state. I appreciate what Gandhi that Maharashtra is the they have done. I also welcome their beehive of workers. We are specially assurance that they will persuade the told that we should work for the Vidarbha people to come. I go a umty, and safety and good of the little further and request please, country. We have done nothing else. reconsider that part of your resolu­ Given now Vinobaji is carrying the tion in which you have created Bom­ tlag of Gandhian philosophy and bay as a separate State. Throughout spreading his message from place to his one hour speech—out of which I place. To ask us to serve the nation was present for nearly 45 minutes— is to ask chandan to be fragrant. what Shri S. K. Patil said, as I could gather, was that he was I want to assure you that not for the city State but he wanted what we are fighting for is justice. this S.R.C. scheme and as regards the In all the 16 States you have accepted other he said if there had been no the linguistic principle. You may agitation, things would have been Say that you have not done that, but different. Why should the agitation, that is what you have done. What this and that affect you in coming to crime have we committed that you a right solution? May I in all humili­ have singled us out for a special ty say that what happened in Bombay treatment as if we are members of would not have happened if, in the a criminal tribe. If Bombay is includ­ words of Shri Narayan some sanyam ed in Maharashtra certain people had been shown? The Chief Minis­ would not like it. I want to know ter of Bombay—he is a friend of what for? Again and agam we made mine for the last 40 years, said: efforts to approach those who were against us through the good offices of Shri V. L. Metha, a Godly and God­ fearing man. He is for us; he con­ ftr5r«iR cedes our claim. Our claim is con­ It means, so long as Congress is ceded by Shri Narayan, son of Maha- alive Maharastrians will not get Bom­ devji Desai and he has written an bay. And Shri Patil followed said, excellent article in a recent issue of ‘For 5,000 years you will not get it\ Bhoomi Putra in whidh he has said, Shri S. S. More (Sholapur): Is he *Why are you after the money in going to live so long? Bombay? Gandhiji considered good­ Shri Gadgil: I wish him to live long will to be of much more value than enough. all the gold in the world. The roots of capitalism are lessened and The point is, I told one of my tomorrow they will dry. The friends who came here, and com­ poisonous tree will fall and a ll the plained this is what Shri Patil said. powdered face attraction will dis­ I said, 'Don’t get excited; the three appear. Whom are you supporting? zeros are absolutely useless and so We do not want it because we know far as 5 is concerned there is no 2859 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1965 Report of S.R,C. 2860

[S»iri Gadgil] Egypt and other places. Are they sanctity about It.* The formula of so much afraid of us? They have in­ the Working Committee is Bombay vestments in South Africa, Uganda City State and after 5 years you will and other places? Have they not in­ have it. May I ask them in all humi­ vested everywhere. They are 17 per lity just to visualise the picture of cent in Cochin Town but they are not Bombay during these 5 years? what asking for special treatment. Why forces will consolidate there? The first are they asking of us then? Do my thing that will happen; the first casual­ friend from Gujarat realise what an ty will be prohibition—prohibition will insult is implied in this? They may be completely wiped out for aught I not mean it, they may not be even know. I know the real public conscious of it, but the fact is and the opinion in Bombay of the middle consequence is that this has offended classes and other people. They will the entire Maharashtrian community. be the first to scrap our great experi­ Think for God’s sake, what is it and ment of prohibition. what they want. They are the tra­ ders for the whole of Maharashtra. An Hon. Member: Is it because of In every rural area that you go, the Gujaratis? trade and commerce is in the hands Shri Gadgil: There are other thmgs. of Marw;aris and Gujaratis in certain Some of the people are obviously for places, exclusively Marwaris in certain that. But, even now, under the places and exclusively Gujaratis in present arrangement, it you are medi­ certain places. My forefathers invited cally certified, we will give you. them to Poona and settled them in We have been told by the S.R.C. Gujru, Sarafa and other places. They that, Bombay is geographically in were nagarseths and were taken in Maharashtra and many other things. procession and even now our relations But certain interests will not like it. with them are excellent. The Guja­ Who are those interests? Again and ratis in Maharashtra and Poona have agam we tried to understand who been provided with Gujarati schoolr> they are; but, we failed. You ask uf and Poona has taken the lead in this to compromise. A request has been respect. I have something to do with made. I am quite willing. the Poona Municipality and so I know it. We made special provision • P.M. for Gujarati teaching. Till then the But they do not come and discuss, local people did not know what rhey know they have got something Gujarati language wa-s because they and if you throw the responsibility were so much assimilated with us. on us to come to a compromise that Shri Patil said something about will be the British method. This is the composition of the people, that not the method of my leader and> we are only 48 per cent. Take the therefore, he has said very clearly figures from 1881 and our majority that he will try to bring about an ac­ which was 54 per cent was brought ceptable solution. But if it is left to down gradually and now it is 48, in­ the parties, what will happen. Just cluding Konkini. Konkini Structu­ as it happened in the case of the rally is Marathi and there is no diffe­ Macdonald Award. The issue will be rence in it and Marathi, it is a dialect. taken away from the hands of the I want to m.der.'tand the positio leaders and organised parties, and the In , tht Kannada-speaking people will decide it in th'fe streets of persons are 24 per cent, and Tami’ Bombay, and that is just the thing speaking persons 31 per cent. Take that I wish to avoid. the case of Jamshedpur; the Bengali­ We are told that Bombay was built speaking population is 54.000 and tha by Gujaratis and therefore they have Hinjii speaking population 44,000 out a right. This is the extra-territorialit> of 158,000. In Hyderabad, the Urdu- which we heard in the case of China, speakinir population if 49 per cent » 86i Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2862

and the Tclugu-speaking population Bombay city is included in Maha­ is 40 per cent. And yet these towns rashtra state? May 1 quote from Shri and cities are all allowed to be in the Baruchua’s speech which he delivered states and not made separate states. ill the Bombay Legislative Assembly? The consideration of population of He says: “Geography of the Port of any particular city is irrelevant because Bombay will not change. Communi­ in the large area, it is just a pocket. cations will remain safe. Facilities Do you give self-government to Badr for trade and commerce money mar­ in Ahmedabad because it is predomi­ ket transport will be used by all nantly Maharashtrian? Will you give Communities. I refuse to believe that a the same privilege to certain areas of single minority group is going to wind Baroda where the Marathas are large its business because the city goes to in numbers? Is it local option? Take Maharashtra. There is no evidence to the city of Bombay and draw a cir­ show that city’s importance will cle with a radius of 75 miles and at dwindle.*’ When you say that the northern point of the circle, about some damage will result have 80 miles away, the Gujarat border you got any proof or are they steps in. Draw another circle of 250 only vague allegations, allegations miles radius and in that circle, the made in our absence? At least Gujaratis aie one-eighth and seven- for courtesy, the Members of the Com­ eighths are Maharashtrians. The mission should ask us, “Here are the nearest Andhra border is 32 miles accusations; what is your stand? what from Madras and yet it is put in Tamil is your written statement? do you Nad. Why do you apply one law to want to cross-examine?** Even the one person and apply another law to ordinary cannons of fairplay and ai*other person? justice have been disregarded. There- frre, the insult is all the more intense. We are told “You are only 48 per Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Madras . was cent.*’ But the argument seems to be wrongly put in there. that even if we were 70 per cent, Bombay will remain apart from Shri GadgU: I thought that some Maharashtra, because of the extrane­ such intervention would come but ous consideration that certain capital­ not from the Chair because the Chair ists want that to be so whatever be is to be impartial. But here it .comes the population of Maharashtrians. from the Chair. The House may have some idea, at Shri A. M. TtaomAa (Emakulam): least the Minister of Transport has Charity begins at home. ' some idea, as to how many people come to work in Bombay city every day. From Poona, there were 2,000 Shri Gadgll: The point is that if season ticket holders coming every Bombay City is made a separate State, day to Bombay, during war time. immediately the claim of Madras will People come from Virar, Agasi and ^row up, immediately the claim of Bhinder and from Karjat and Kalyan Calcutta will grow up. Why are you to Bombay; they are really citizens of going to let loose these forces? Are Bombay and most of them are Maha­ you going to yield to the capitalist! as rashtrians; they cannot recide there a preliminary for inaugurating the so­ because the great Bombay Corpora­ cialistic pattern of society? For whom tion and the greater Bombay Govern­ are you keeping Bombay as a separate ment have done nothing by way of state? The traders, they are every­ housing programme. You go in the where; the whole trade and commerce evening after dusk as I have done so and economy in Maharashtra is do­ often and you will see that on the minated by Gujaratis and Marwaris pavements people are sleeping, the and they have not asked for any slums are there and so on. The Jail protection there. What will happen if Manual of Bombay Government layf 2863 Motion re: 16 DECEM&BR 1955 Report of SJt.C. 2^6.

[Shri Gadgil] judgment to be coloured and should down that 96 square feet is the mini­ have given us Bombay as it justly mum—you will appreciate this as we belongs to us. were kept many times in jail—but here it works out to less than 40 square feet. The Rent Enquiry Committee I am very sorry that the injustice has made a thorough enquiry and it done to us is not fully realised by says “the city has a sub-stratum of many of our friends and critics. original inhabitants, but it is largely What loss of Bombay means to us a city of immigrants. A portion has economically and socially, apart from made Bombay a place of its residence, prestige is not fully realised. A but to a large portion it is only a question is asked who built it? Mr. place of work to be left when it be­ Barucha, a Parsi M.L.A., said “every comes unsuitable**. And even those industrial city is built by all—not by who stay for some years go away be­ this community or that but if propor­ cause they are not of the population. tion has to be taken into considera­ The sub-stratum of the population to tion then the biggest proportion goes whom Bombay belongs is Maharash­ to the Maharashtra people who gave trian, and the greatest proof of that their labours.” is this. We have the latest budget of the Bombay Corporation, in which out of 4,860 primary teachers, 3,000 Shri M. S. Guropadaswamy (My­ are Marathi, that is 62 per cent:— sore): Not Parsis? People who are permanent residents have their children with them. They are the stable population. That is Shri GadgU: Yes, GujaraUs also. the test. Though I do not say that The capital that is invested in Bom­ it is the only test, this is a test which bay is not exclusively the capital of a you cannot ligthtly brush aside. few Gujaratis. There are share­ holders of concerns which are func­ Take the situation of Bombay. The tioning in Bombay, from all over the entire road system and the railway country. Very recently, America and system converge on Bombay. Britain opened two refineries of which The two main lines south-east the investment comes to about Rs. 110 and north are there; the crores. Have they asked for any two national highways, Bombay- safeguard? There is foreign capital Agra Road and Bombay-Bangalore to the extent of Rs. 800 crores. road, converge there and all our acti­ Have they asked for any safeguard? vities centre there. The people from You Gujaratis are controlling our ru­ Ratnagiri, Colaba and Thana depend ral economy; you are our sowcar; mainly on this city of Bombay; simi­ We have elected many of you larly people from Satara, Sholapur as Presidents of our Congress and Poona also depend on this city. Committees, mxmicipalities and If you ask any Marathi boy as to what everywhere we have treated you he will do, he will tell you **l will go fairly; we have never given their to Bombay’*. This is the natural as­ anything but just and affectionate piration of every Maharashtrian boy. treatment. And in utter disregard of That will show what place Bombay this, you insist on Bombay city being holds in the economic life of our peo­ made a separate State,—^just consider ple but you are taking it away. My what it means? In Rangoon the humble submission is this. The SRC capital of Burma Indians were in has come to the conclusion that Bom­ the majority and yet Indians did bay should not be a separate State not claim it as there own. If the and that it is part of Maharashtra city state logic were accepted aerious geographically. Just because certain political consequences will follow. people expressed certain vague fears, When the entire surrounding coimtry they should not have allowed their is speaking a particular language, a 2865 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of SM.C. 2866

pocket cannot be taken out; that must equality is the Congress programme be part of it. Bombay is our biggest also. Probably my friend here quoted city. The population of ^ m b ay is me as saying: “Mr. Gadgil wants to 28 lakhs. According to the 1951 Cen­ liquidate rich people.*’ I said: we want sus, thirteen and odd lakhs or nearly to liquidate rich people as a class and fourteen lakhs speak Marathi. There that is the programme of the Con­ is no other province whose biggest gress if I understand the Congress pro­ city is outside its territory. Take gramme and if it is sincerely prea­ Ahmedabad. The Gujarati population ched, it will be done but it has to be in Bombay city is five lakhs. The done in an orderly manner. If Bom­ population of Ahmedabad is much bay city becomes a State, it will be more. Shri Patil said that Northern- done much quicker than can be digest­ Indians are five lakhs in Bombay. ed. From that point of view, I would The Hindustani-speaking people are urge my capitalist friends to consider two lakhs. Another lakh and eighty this problem. Whether it is econo­ thousand say that their language is mic or social life or this that or the Urdu but all of them are not from other, everybody has played a part. Northern India. Shri Patil knows and Because there are 12 languages or four the Census Commission has also stat­ religions, should Bombay be a State ed that the Deccan Musalman—the by itself? I do not agree. Those Konkani Musalman—has given Urdu things are concomitants in every as his mother tongue. Also in the modern city whether it is Calcutta, Census Report, you will find people Jamshedpur or Bangalore or Itanpur with Marathi as their subsidiary lan­ If you concede Bombay today, you guage in the city are considerable. The will have to concede Kanpur and Cal­ number of Marathi speaking people cutta tomorrow. As regards Madras, is highest from every point of we have already some evidence of it. view—^from the point of view of peo­ ple who have written Marathi as their mother tongue, people who come to In the end I humbly want to put work there and the other general this proposition before this House. I considerations. All these lead to only do not consider that this House is not one conclusion and no other. Why fit enough to decide this question. If are you telling us that Bombay city this House does not decide, who will should be a separate State? decide? Some solution has been pointed out by Shri Asoka Mehta. Shri Patil claimed that he was the What kind of politics will operate originator of it but now obviously he there. Take the occupational posi­ wants to disown it. I and other lea­ tion. 54,000 are the employers and ders have put it before our great nearly eleven lakhs are the employees leader, the Prime Minister. We said —mostly proletariat, and white- to him “accept in principle that collar. What the white-collars feel Bombay city and Maharashtra should about this problem you know. You be one State'7 We then sign on a could have seen on the 21st, they had blank paper. You fill in any safe­ opened their chests and said *fire*, we guards you like, any adjustments you stand for Samyukta Maharashtra. In like. You are pressing for adjust­ the city of Bombay, the economic dis­ ment; you are pressing for safeguards parity is so pronounced. Here are for the brave Sikh community. If Malabar Hill residences and the slums they are good enough for 40 lakhs, of Matunga, side by side. People are they not good for these forty men will say: we have got Bombay now who constitute the Citizens Committee and we will liquidate this disparity of Bombay. Dr. John Mathai who much sooner; than can be good enough was my colleague and an eminent for the capitalists. Liquidation of in­ public man has warned us as to wnat 2867 Motion re; 16 DECEMBER 1966 Report of S.R.C. 2868

[Shri Gadgil] ment prevails. After all, reason is would happen if Bombay become a supreme, argument is powerful. If State. You are creating Bombay City you do not create that atmosphere and State in spite of the advice of the SRC, that faith in a democracy then there in spite of the advice of all people is the end of democracy. You can whose words count. There is certainly put down the throat of Mr. Ambekar, President of the INTUC Maharashtrians anything you like, who said “you make Bombay City a but it will not last long. For what I separate State, public life will be im­ know of my people and my race they possible; the life of public worker are best friends, but once they take v/ill not be safe." Great administra­ into their head that injustice is being tors who have grown grey in adminis­ done to them they will stake every­ tration, have advised so. If in spite thing but will never put up with it. of all this, you follow the course hin­ Do not drive our people to a mood of ted, it means you do not care for the that kind, I very humbly and respect­ people and that you care for the in­ fully request the hon. Home Minister terest of the few, who are the owners and his colleague, our beloved leader. of the property which they earned We have gone to the utmost limit and during the British regime. How it nobody can accuse us of being un­ was earned during the British regime reasonable. The hon. Members of this —let me not analyse it because the House will also consider our offer. beginning of life and property are al­ But, if at the end of 40 years of pub­ ways enclosed in darkness. lic life I am driven to a course which s not palatable tome. I will only end It is a straight question. Do you by saying, give me that blessing which want to usher in the socialist regime? Kunti gave ta Kama. On the morn­ Here is the demand for Samyukta ing of the Karna Parva’s beginning Maharashtra. I assure the Prime Minis­ day Kunti went to Karna and she ter that we shall see that Sam­ said: ‘‘Look" here; you are my son” . yukta Maharashtra becomes a socia­ Then Karna said: “Oh, you are my list State of his liking much sooner mother: you are telling me. Uptill than it can happen in any part of now you have forsaken me, disregard­ India and we are going out of our ed me. That does not matter. But, way to give safeguards althou^ it give me this blessing. I am not ask­ means some sort of an insult to us. ing for any big thing. Give me this But we want to be very practical. blessing that my life will not be mean We want to get over the immediate and my death will be noble.” ^ difficulty. I again repeat what I said JTT^ 5T ^ M ^ f t to Pantji ‘‘Make Bombay City and Maharashtra one State and whatever Shrl Debeswar Sarmah (Golaghat- safeguards or whatever arrangements Jorhat) rose, of any type are considered necessary will be accepted. Any legislation Mr. Deputy-Spflaker: Shri C. C which deals with Bombay city’s pro­ Shah—who will dispose of Bombay blems should be reserved for Central first. . consideration if the majority of the Shri C. C. Shmh (Gohilwad-Sorath): members from Bombay city is one. This great debate. (Interruption). The only condition we insist ia that it must be consistent with the inte­ M r. Depnty-Speaker: Order, order. grity of the State and with demo­ You will now hear from Gujarat cratic principles. These are the words State. used by the MPCC in its resolution. [S h ri B a r m a n in the Chair] I have taken considerable time of Shrl C. C. Shah; Mr. Chairman, this hon. House. But I want to appeal this great debate tmtil yesterday was to you: give me something to tell my running its calm and even course In people that reason succeeds and argu­ a dignified and smooth manner. 2869 K:>ttoi .*b 16 DECKMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 3&70 An Hon. Member: What happened lightly tamper with the conclusions today? arrived at by men who have dis­ passionately examined this subject, and unless we find an agreed alternat.ve, Shri C. C. Shab: The temper has or unless there are compelling reason^ iihanged today, but it would be my which make any of the recommenda­ tndeavour to place before you, Sir, tions of the Commission difficult or calmly and as objectively and in a impossible of implementation, we

provinces which the Congress Consti­ lion in which it would become neces­ tution had created in 1921 and those sary that the State of Bom*bay should are the provinces which should be be reorganised and redistributed, then created under the new reorganisation we demanded that the city of Bom­ il the Commission thought it neces­ bay should be a separate unit. I sary to redistribute or reorganise the shall explain the reasons why we State of Bombay. made that demand. But, before do­ ing so, I would like to say this:—I am sorry Shri Gadgil is not here—in So far as Saurashtra is concerned, the existing composite State of Bom- bav, the people of Maharashtra are m it made no claim and no demand. In a maiority. In the bilingual State, as respect of Saurashtra, the Govern­ suggested by the States Reorganisa­ ment memorandum said that the tion Commission, they will be in a Government of Saurashtra and he majority. A grievance has been made people of Saurashtra will agree to any that the entii’e Gujarati-speaking area decision which the Commission came has been brought into this bi-lingual to in the national interests. If the State and that the entire Marathi­ Commission decided that it was in the speaking are:) has not been brought national interests to merge Saurashtra into this State. But the position is in the composite State of Bombay, the this. The whole of Marathwada Government and the people of Sau­ which has a population of 47 lakhs rashtra would accept that position. If has been put into the bilingual State. the Commission decided that a separate As against that, the population of State of Gujarat was to be formed Saurashtra and Kutch is 47 lakhs. So, and then Saurashtra was to be merged while 47 lakhs are added from one in that separate State of Gujarat, side, another 47 lakhs are added from Saurasht’-a would accept it. If, for the other side. So, the majority any other reason, the Commission de­ which the people of Maharashtra have cided that Saurashtra should remain as a separate State, even then we said in the composite State of Bombay will # still continue to be so in the proposed that we shall accept it. We left it bilingual State of Bombay. In fact, entirely to the Commission to decide, it will now be somewhat greater in the national interests, what should majority. be the future of Saurashtra, having full faith that the Commission will come to a just and fair decision both Shri Gadgil presented charge-sheets in the interests of the people of Sau­ against many people. He was here rashtra and in the interests of the to present charge-sheet against the country as a whole. It is wrong to Commission; he presented a charge- suggest that Saurashtra made any sheet against the Government of Bom­ demand for a linguistic State and my bay; he presented a charge-sheet friend Shri Bhawanji, who is the against the Chief Minister of Bombay President of the District Congress and he had a grievance against every­ Committee of Kutch will also explain body who did not agree with him. to you that that was the same stand But that is a different matter. A that Kutch took. Neither Saurashtra State or an area or a group generally nor Kutch nor Gujarat asked for a asks for a separate State of its ofwn linguistic State. We feel that when when it suffers under a sense of griev­ We have worked in a composite State ance. Probably, it suffers under a for over a century and we have work­ sense of grievance when its develop­ ed arm in arm and we have worked ment has not takep place in the man­ with goodwill there is no reason why ner it should. It iMy suffer a sense we cannot continue to work together. of grievance when It has been dis­ We on our part at least find no rea- criminated against \n the services, wm to separate. But if others compel and therefore, not receiving a fair deal ^ to dhride, if oih m crti^a a situa- in a larg« Stol* or a composite 8t«t«. 2875 Moctoii n : 16 DECEMBER 1965 Report oj S.R.C. 287<5

[Shri C / C. Shah] They cannot dictate that “these are the terms on which we shall have a Can Maharashtra have any such separate State” . They can separate grievance? In iheir memorandum only on the terms which the Commis­ either before the Dar Commission or sion has recommended or which pre­ before the States Reorganisation Com­ vious Commissions have recommended, mission, not a word is said about any which have been known to be fair grievance of Maharashtra, either on and good. What were the principles developmental expenditure or on ser­ which we adopted in the redistribu­ vices or in any other manner. And tion of States? Take Andhra, for yet, Shri Gadgil was here to say that instance. The one principle we adopt­ the Maharashtrians have their gri­ ed was that in the case of Andhra, evance. But what are the facts? I only the undisputed areas, areas about will only give you what the facts are which there was no dispute or contro­ as given in B.P.C.C. memorandum. versy, would be given to them. We In Maharashtra, 10'225 lakhs of acres, said, Andhra must give up its claim are being irrigated. In Gujarat only for the Madras city, if a separate State 3*846 lakhs of acres have been was to be formed. They gav« up the brought under irrigation. In Konkan, claim. Now, the S.R.C. has recom­ it is 21,000 acres. In Karnataka mended a solution which in the opi­ It is 3*32 lakhF of acres. In nion of all, except probably friends terms of money, out of the capital from Maharashtra, is the best one. expenditure of Rs. 12 crores up to This is the best solution of this diffi­ 1946-47, Rs. 10*75 crores have been cult and delicate problem. It is the spent on major irrigation works in opinion of almost a large majority of Maharashtra. Arising out of the this House; it is the opinion of the Ramamurthi Committee’s recommen­ majority of the people of this country; dations, the Government of India have it is the opinion of the Government as given the Bombay Government loans the hon. Home Minister has stated; it to the tune of Rs. 6*8 crores for ex­ is the opinion of the B.P.C.C. as well penditure on minor and medium-­ as the G.P.C.C. And yet, my friends scale irrigation works in Maharashtra from Maharashtra do not want to ac­ compared to only Rs. 80 lakhs in Guja­ cept the solution which is considered rat. Road communications in Maha­ to be the best in the interests of all. rashtra are much better than in Gujarat Can they by rejecting it have the best or Karnataka. The majority of the dis­ out of the bargain? Can they by re­ tricts in Maharashtra are well-served jecting it get something to which they by road communications while the are not entitled? Take the Dar Com­ districts in Gujarat arc deficit to the mission ♦I'.e J.V.P. Committee or the extent of 75 to 95 per cent. S.R.C. Evtry Commission has un­ Aa Hon. Member; What about the animously and successively held that railways? whatever might be the redistribution of the States, Bombay city must retain Sbrl C. C. Shah: Now, take the its cosmopolitan and multi-lingual question of services. If you examine character. In national interests, Bom­ the services in the Bombay State, the bay city cannot be part of any uni- Maharashtrians are in a preponderant lingual area. That is the unanimous majority. But in spite of that, if they decision of both the Congress and want a separate State, none can pre­ every other Commission appointed to vent it. It is impossible to compel examine this problem dispassionately them to live together, if they do not and impartially. By rejecting the wish to. Mr. Gadgil said that they best solution and by pointing out what would not be partners; they could be may be the difficulties in the forma­ only good neighbours. If they do not tion of a City State for Bombay, would want to be partners and if they want they like us to agree to a thing to a separate State, they can have a sepa­ which they are not entitled? It will rate State, but not on their own terms. be putting a premium on unreasonable­ 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R,C. 2*77 Motion re: 2878

ness if we submit to such a demand. enterprise. It will be incongruous to Here is the S.R.C. recommendation make this multi-lingual, cosmopolitan which is considered to be the best city the capital of a unilingual pro­ solution. If they do not want to ac­ vince.*’ cept it, let them accept the solution That is the unanimous decision of which has been recommended by any the Dar Commission. other Commission. Even now, the un­ animous decision of the Working Com­ The J.V.P. Committee have said as mittee is this, Js it suggested that follows: every Commission has been unfair to Maharashtra? Is it suggested that “The question of the City of Bombay everyone has been unjust to Maharash­ has not only risen but has been fier­ tra? Is it suggested that men who cely debated. And yet, in our opinion, had nothing to do with this problem there can be little room for argument and who examined it in the national about this great city.” interests and nothing else, have been They say, there cannot even be any unjust to Maharashtra? Is it suggest­ argument about this. Th« case it io ed that consistently all of them have clear and complete that th*re canwt befen unjust? Will friends from Ma­ be argument about it. Who said It? harashtra pause to think why it is It was said by the President of the that every Commission and every Congress, the Prime Minister of India, Committee and even the Congress in men who have devoted their whole 1920 decided like this? That decision life to the cause of this nation. Are was taken by Shri N. C. Kelkar him­ we ^to believe that they were unjust self. Why was it so? to Maharashtra? Are we to believe that they did something which was Shri M. D. Josh! (Ratnagiri South): not in the national interests? The Kelkar’s decision was as regards the J.V.P. Committee went on to say: formation of the Congress Committee and not as regards the formation of •It is not only one of the great­ the State. est cities of India but is essential­ ly a cosmopolitan multi-lingual Shri G. H. Deshpande (Nasik Cen­ city; the nerve-centre of our trade tral): Has my friend read the Sam- and commerce, and our biggest yukta Maharashtra Committee’s re­ window to the outside world. It port? is quite impossible for us to en­ tertain any idea or any proposal Shri C. C. Shah: Interruptions will which might injure the many­ not provoke me; you can take it from sided life and activity of this great me. You can say whatever you want city, which has been built up by when your turn comes. the labour of all kinds of people Shri S. K. Patfl: That decision was and communities. We cannot con­ that the city of Bombay cannot be sider it as belonging to any one * included jn the Provincial Congress linguistic group and attach it to a Committee of Maharashtra. purely linguistic province. ^ n a t would undoubtedly mean its rapid Shri C. C. Shah: It will be necessary deterioration from its present com­ for me to place before the House the manding position.” reasons for this conclusion. Take for instance the Dar Commission. TTiis So, the S.R.C. came to the MMie is what they have said: conclusion. The S.R.C.’s conelualen was that Bombay cannot be made a “The best fortune that we can see p«nrt ^ f any uni-lingual area. Both for t'le city of Bombay is that it should the people of Maharashtra and the continue as it is today, the meeting- people of Gujarat, Saurashtra and place of all communities, their source Kutch and as a matter of fact, ^ of pride and affection and a conveni- people of the whole country are at­ centre for tb

[Shri C. C. Shah] bha, after 5 years, Gujarat can go out, are well-known. The best future of course leaving Bombay to Maha­ which can lie for this city is that it rashtra! Is there any doubt that they should remain the capital of a bi­ would have seen to it that Gujarat lingual State. Therefore, the S.B.C. goes out? Tha-t Is all that I ran say recommended it. In doing so, they about this. relied upon the traditions of tolerance, and the spirit of mutual understand­ A bi-lingual State is a State, as Shri ing and goodwill which had prevailed S. K. Patil rightly and correctly said, ir the city of Bombay amongst vari­ in which the two communities must ous communities. It expected that this be more or less evenly placed. Where recommendation which was the best one community hsis a crushing majo­ under the circumstances would be ac­ rity, the other community does not cepted in that spirit by the people of feel a sense of confidence that it can Gujarat, Saurashtra and Kutch and get justice or fairplay. The other also by the people of Maharashtra, community has no confidence that it because it would be in the wider can make itself effective in a State of national interests. When it raised that character. All that can happen that expectation, it did not reckon is that it will be a unilingual State to with the attitude of the people of which something else is attached to Maharashtra. They rejected it. Guja­ remain in an inferior position for rati people, in spite of their being a ever. That is not a bi-lingual State. minority—only 35 per ccnt. as against That cannot be accepted. I say, the more than 48* 5 per cent, of Maharash­ Commission very rightly suggested trians—accepted it. But the Maharash­ two States, one which was an exclu­ tra people rejected it. The offer they sively Maharashtrian State, one in make is a bi-lingual State with Vidar- which they had a preponderating ma­ bha and they say we are unreasonably jority. ' > rejecting their offer. For a minute consider this. Do they believe in a There is something more in this. bi-lingual State? Every word of Mr. How did this offer of a bi-lingual Gadgil’s speech was an impeachment State with Vidarbha come about? against a bi-lingual State. In every That is very interesting. One Maha­ word of his speech he meant to say, rashtra Minister of the Bombay State “we cannot live with any other com­ has t.irown very revealing light on munity; we want to live by ourselves. the manner in which this offer came We believe in linguism; we believe about. The Congress High Command only in a unilingual State.” Was this called the three deputations of Guja­ offer of a bilingual State with Vidar- rat, Bombay and Maharashtra here to bha made in a fair manner with the negotiate and try ite best to find an intention to work it? agreed solution. This hon. Minister Shri M. D. Joshi: Well. in a public interview to the Press teUa us that suddenly on the last day of Shri C. C. Shah: You can say so these interviews, the leader of the' certainly. But, the facts are obvious. delegation Shri Shankar Rao Deo pas­ It was made with a view to gain a sed to him a chit that we may offer crushing majority and nothing else. to the High Command as an alterna­ It was made only with a view to gain tive a bi-lingual State with Vidarbha. a crushing majority as Shri S. K. Patil ,Shri Chavan tells us that he was rightly observed. greatly shocked at this proposal. He Swami Rammiiand Tirtlia (Gul- considered it impraeUcable. He was berga): I humbly submit, that is un­ not prepared even to give this as fc fair. proposal because he thought that it cannot be made either bona fide or in Shri C. C. Shah: It may appear un­ a pracUcal spirit. Then, he was told. fair to you. What did they say? Having . if you do not accompany us to made this bi-lingual State with Vidar- this proposal,—it is a oublic intervif^ 2881 Motion re: le DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C, 2882

ghm i by Shri Chavan; I am not say­ though others may have a majority. ing anything s.ecret—our unity will Unconditionally they made the offer, be endangered and so keep up that whatever the Commission decides, we «mity. In the executive committee shall accept. There cannot be a more d the M.P.C.C., he told them openly, fair offer than that. I say—of course, this is not an offer which can be ac­ I don’t say that because it is my State ceptable to Gujarat or anybody, this —Saurashtra is the only State which, 1b not an offer that we, can make. He haying existed for 8 years as* an inde­ Tightly said so. That was not an offer pendent State has voluntarily agreed which may be accepted by anybody to merge itself with another State and with self-respect. As I said, that offer accepts any decision which the Com­ ■was not made in the spirit that that mission gives. To cast aspersions on should be worked. If it had been such people who have acted in such nade in that spirit and in other cir­ a straightforward and honest manner cumstances, things would have been is, I submit, not fair. different. That is a different matter. It is a fundamental principle of their The Gujarat Provincial Congress creed that they believe only in a Committee having considered the situ­ Jinguistic State. Why then this sudden ation and the resolution of the volte face? Why this sudden jump MP.C.C., passed a reiolution. They to a bi-lingual State with Vidarbha? said, having considered all that and If they believed in a moral principle having stated that for the reasons that they should have a redistribution mentioned therein that a bi-lingual of States only on a unilingual basis, State with Vidarbha is unacceptable, that moral principle is suddenly given ''This Committee was and is pre­ a go-by and that moral principle does pared to accept the recommenda­ not come in the way of suggestion a tion of the Commission as a per­ bi-lingual State in which they have a manent solution of this delicate majority of 66 per cent, and Gujarat .problem in the larger interests of has only 28 per cent. the country, if the Maharashtrian Shrl Syamnandan Sahaya (Muzaffar- leaders are willing to accept it In pur Central): Moral principle is ma­ its entirety in the spirit in which jority. the Commission has made it. JI the Maharashtrian leaders are not Shri C. C. Shah: Yes, moral princi­ willing to accept it, then, this ' ple is majority. Committee is of opinion that in Shri Syamnandan Sahaya: And a the interests of all concerned, tlie good one too. Bombay State should be divided into three States.’' Shrl C. C. Shah: Then they say, all the Gujarat speaking areas have been The Gujarat Provincial Congress brought in, why not all the Marathi­ Committee, even on 25-10-55, in spite speaking areas? The argument is of the hatred and bitterness which has very plausible, very catchy. But been spread by the protagonists of take Saurashtra and Kutch. They Samyukta Maharashtra, was prepare- are small petty States, B and C ed to accept a bi-lingual State as re­ States. By any standard they commended by the S.R.C. What was cannot exist and they have got the response? They rejected it. LI to be merged with another State. they rejected an offer which is consi­ If they have got to be merged, they dered to be best iii the national in­ cannot be taken to Rajputana or Ma­ terests, somebody has got to come to dhya Pradesh. If they have to be some conclusion. That decision has merged, they can be merged only in got to be taken. That decision was Bombay: nowhere else. Saurashtra taken by the Working Committee after and Kutch did not make any condi­ careful consideration, after all the tion. They said, we are even pre­ efforts to bring about an agreed solu­ pared to go to a bi-lingual State even tion failed, after all the negotlationa 2883 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2884 fShri C. C. Shah] is why the Congress has always s«iid failed, after everything that could that it cannot be a part dl any unilin- possibly be done to persuade the gual area. Will friends irom Maha­ friends from Maharashtra to iigree to rashtra ever pause to consider the M reasonable solution failed. The feelings of others? Men like the Working Committee has come to a Prime Minister, Pandit G. B. Pant, decision. That decision, as Shri S. K. and Maulana Abul Kalam Azad were Patil told us, was arrived at with the sitting there in the Congress Working consent of Shri Deogirikar and at his Committee. Was everyone of them reque^ because it was said that rather unfair to Maharashtra? Why is it than a bi-lingual State as suggested that they came to this decision? by the S.R.C., the three State formula 2 P.M. would be more acceptable to Maha­ rashtra. The Working Committee,—I All these arguments of territory,, do not want to take the time of the language etc. were advanced before House—resolution has said that be­ them; in fact, they have been advanced cause of the opinion expressed by the since 1®48, before the Dar Csmihission, M.P.C.C. and because of the attitude before the J.V.P. Committee, and also taken by the M.P.C.C., it has come to before the S.R.C. Everywhere, these this conclusion as the largest and arguments have been advanced, and greatest common measure of agree- they have been considered fully times thent between the parties and in the out of number, and yet this is the onljr national interests. Hiat decision, I conclusion that could be reached. say, is consistent with the stand that the Congress has taken since 1920. I want to submit one other matter. That decision is consistent with the When did this demand for Bombay unanimous conclusion of the Dar Com­ come up? It is an interesting story. mission, the J.V.P. report and the The demand, for Samyukta Mahara­ S.RC. report, because the S.R.C. re­ shtra is comparatively a recent one. port hever recommended that Bom­ Compared with the demand for bay can be part of a unilingual area. Karnataka, or Andhra or even Vidar- Therefore, I submit that that decision bha, it is a recent one. Only in 1946, is the right decision. The decision of at Belgaum, the Literary Parishad o f the Working Committee was an un­ Maharashtra said that for cultural animous decision. Even Shri Deogiri- and literary reasons, it was better if kar did not object, did not oppose it, all the Marathi-speaking people were though I am told that he did not vote brought together; the political leaders for it. Is it suggested, I ask once took this up and developed it. Of a^ain, that the entire Working Com­ course, now it is the most clamorous mittee was out to do injustice to Maha­ and the loudest demand. If it is a rashtra? Will friends from Mahara.sh- demand and they want it, we must tra ever pause to consider this? Of meet it. But then it should be met course, they have worked themselves on terms which are in the natiofial up in a frenzy; they have worked interest and not in the interest of any themselves up in a great fury. I know particular section. it. They are victims of their own slogans; and others are made victims Before the Dar Commission war of violence. I request them to pause appointed, this question of lingaistic and consider why it is that while they redistribution was being considered feel so strongly in one way, the whole in the Constituent Assembly. All the nation feels so strongly to the cont­ PCC chiefs, particularly those in the rary. U is not a question of Gujarat south, where the problem of linguistic alone. Leave aside Gujarat. It is a redistribution was most urgent, met national problem. Gujarat is vitally in a meeting under the presidentship mtereated in it, Bombay is an asset of Dr. Rajendra Prasad. I shall cead for the entire nation. That is why the minutes of that meeting, and it the Prime Minister says, and that wHl be interesting to you to listen to 2885 Motion re: 1(5 DECEMBER 1955 Report oj S.R,C. 2886 that. Now, who were all present at coming over to this area almost ini- that meeting? Shri Shankar Rao Deo, posible. It was because of the cotgial Shri Nijalingappa, Shri Keshav Rao trade that the connections of Gujarat^ Jedhe, and all others from the south, Saurashtra and Kutch with Bombay and also the president of the GPCC. have been there since times immemo­ The question arose as to what should rial. I say this not as an argument for be the redistribution of the States for any clahn by Gujarat, but I say it the purposes of our Constitution. And because it is a fact. they wanted to find an agreed solution. And what did they do? Those who are lawyer Members will find that all over the West, the “The following representatives Hindu law of succession applied is of provinces interested in the for- mitakshara. But in Gujarat, the law- itiation of linguistic provinces met of succession that is applied is Mayukh. At the residence of Dr. Rajendra This was so because the social customs Prasad, Congress President, on in Gujarat, Saurashtra and Kutch 24th February 1^8, at 9 p.m. Dr. were somewhat different from those Rajendra Prasad was good enough in the rest of the area where mitak­ to attend the meeting. The follow­ shara was applied. And what is the ing formula which was circulated branch of the law which applies to to the represen^tives was dis­ Bombay? It is not mitakshara but cussed.” Mayukh. In the whole of Maharash­ tra, on the other side of the ghats^ And what was the formula? It was mitakshara is applied but in Bombay,. that 5Torth Konkan, Gujarat, Saurashtra 'Aspiring provinces should and Kutch, it is Mayukh that is agree to start with the provincial applied. And why was the Mayukh boundaries as laid down by the law applied there? ^ Congress in 1920.” In a very learned historic judge­ At that time, Maharashtra did not ment given in 1879, at a time when .<^ay that Bombay should be a part there was no controversy whatsoever. of Maharashtra or Samyukta Maha­ Chief Justice Westropp of the Bombay rashtra. High Court----- Shrt H. G. VafehAav (Ambad): It Shri ft. G. Valshnav: It is a foreign was there already. So, where was the authority. n^6ssity to say that? Shri C. C. ^hali: Then came the Shri C. C. Shah: It is not a foreign t>ar Commission. For the first time, authority; it is a historical fact. before the Dar Commission, this claim Chief Justice Westropp said: Was made, namely Samyukta Mahara­ shtra with Bombay. Island of Bombay and As I have said already, this is a North Konkan including the island national problem. No doubt, Qujarat, of Karanj a formed part of the Saurashtra and Kutch are vitally Kingdom of Gujarat.” interested in its future. But, it is not Then, he proceeds to trace the entire a matter entirely between Gujarat historical connection between Guja­ and Mifhatashtra. And yet, I must rat and Bombay. Until the 16th cen­ ttll ytm why Gujarat is so greatly tury it was the rulers of Gujarat whc^ attached to Bombay. It is amazing to ruled over this area, and from the find that Bombay which was a neg­ rulers of Gujarat, it went to the Por­ lected island had coastal relations tuguese and from the Portuguese it with Gujarat, Saurashtra and Kutch went to the British. It has never been for centuries before it had any con­ part of any Maharatta rUl^. nection with Maharashtra, because between Bombay and Mahara^tra $hri M. i>. MU: May I know «rh» mtt thv impenetrable ghats Whieh made the kings of Gujarat were? 288 7 Motion re^ 16 DECKMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 288a

tiurl G. C. Shah: They were the And in conclusion, he states: JBultans of Gigarat. **that from the most ancient Chief Justice Westropp further came times the Konkan was looked upon to the conclusion that North Konkan as a unit by itself and is distingui­ and the Island of Karanja in which shed from Maharashtra by physi­ the property in dispute lay were a cal and topographical peculiari­ part of Gujarat for a long time and ties.” as such: . “We should scarcely expect to The whole of Bombay City is inha­ And a Hindu law of succession bited by people who are all immi­ prevailing at one side of Bombay grants, be they Mahashtrians, be Ibarbour different from that exist­ they Gujaratis, be they from any other ing in the Island of Bombay and part of India. It is a city of immi­ in Gujarat/’ grants, aa Dr. Gadgil himself, spokes­ It is not only that. Nearly five lakhs man of Maharashtra, has said. All of people from Gujarat, Saurashtra have an equal clakn upon the city of M d Kutch are in Bombay. There is Bombay. They have come; others not a single village or town in Gujarat, have come; the whole of India has Saurashtra and Kutch whose people come. The influx of Maharashtrian are not in Bombay. The prosperity population into this area of Bombay of Gujarat, Saurashtra and Kutch started only after the Bhor Ghat was depends upon the prosperity of constructed and the GIP Railway was Bombay. Further, it is the literary constructed. Right up to 1872, the and cultural centre for Gujarat. The Maharashtrian population in that area first newspaper in Gujarati was start­ was hardly 22 per cent, and then it ed in Bombay. The best Gujarati news­ began to increase. With the industrial papers. are published from Bombay, development of Bombay, labour from such as the Janmabhoomi and the the adjoining areas began to come in. Bombay Samachar. The head office They have come. They are welcome,

[Shri C. C. Shah] that if such linguistic provinces some apprehensions which were not are formed out of the present there, is, of course, no argument. Bombay province, the area of Every non-Maharashtrian element Greater Bombay will have to be has thi« ajiprehension. 1 will take the constituted as a separate unit.” SRC Report: That was the assurance given by “ During the course of our in­ the President of the Congress. Dr. quiry, a vast majority of persons Pattabhi Sitaramayya and by the who appeared before us and did Prime Minister and Deputy Prime not belong to either of the con­ Minister of India. tending language groups, express­ ed themselves strongly in favour Wr. CtMlMiafi: The hon. Member of phicinf Bombay City under a has already taken 30 minutes. There separate administration.” is no further need to read literature, because literature can be quoted both This is the view of people who had for and against. So I would request nothing to do with the contending hitn to round up his speech. groups, the large majority of them. Shri C. C. Shah: Yes. After this assurance by the highest body of the “We also noticed serious mis­ Congress, the industrial development givings in the minds of large of Bombay proceeded and that indus* sections of the inhabitants of trial development has been pheno* Bombay as well as persons out­ menal during the last 7 or 8 years. side about the future of the city Two refineries—the largest in Asia— if it formed part of a unilingual have been put up. But for this assu­ State.” rance, the. industrial development of And more than that. What did, the Bombay would have suffered. It is Prime Minister note, when he framed for this House to redeem that pledge the JVP Report? given by the hi-ghest body of the Congress. “There have been proposals for I will not take more of your time, a Greater Boitibay, but they have but I would only say this. What is apparently been hieild up because the future which they, the protago­ of the argumeht about the future nists of Samyukta Maharashtra, envi­ of Bombay that has been going sage for Bombay City if it becomes on for some time. These appre­ part of Maharashtra? hensions retarded the industrial developmeht of Bombay. We think Shri M. S. Gunipadaswamy: Good* in any event this scheme for neighbourliness. Greater Bombay should be given Mr. Chatrmail: Please do not inter* effect to. We understand that ropt. That will only take more time Owing to the arguments about for him to reply. linguistic provinces and the split­ ting up of Bombay province, Sfiti C. C. Shah: Dr. Gadgil, the there hag been considerable prhvcipal spokesman has this to say: apprehension in the minds of many people in Bombay.”— The main stages by which the problem of Bombay has to be solv­ Vot merely Gujaratis— ed appear to be as follows: — ■‘and it has suffered in conse­ (1) A ban on the establishment quence. We feel, therefore, that of new or expansion of old indus­ It mould be stated clearly and trial undertakings within a dis­ emphatically that Greater BomT)ay tance by road or rail of 50 miles wfll not b^om e just a part of ^ of the Fort area. (2) The pr^- purely linguistic province and patHtion of a plan 6f industrial 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report o] S.R.C. a«93 Motion re: 2894

vocation for Bombay and the whole of its hinterland. (3) A 55 per cent, of its total Import trade detailed programme which should and 40 per cent ot its total export indicate the stages by which the All that they want to go. transfer of population and indus­ try from greater Bombay and Shri S. S. More: How? The customs the movement of dispersal from and income-tax are Central subjects. the most congested areas of the Mr. Chairman: Order, order. Every­ Bombay city will take place.” body knows it. Only the hon. Member gives it in detail. So. not only they do not envisage any further development of Bombay, Shri S. S. More: He is making a wrong distortion. but they want the industry and the population of Bombay to be transfer­ Mr. Chairman: He is entitled to red to the hinterland which to them have his own views. is Maharashtra. Shri S. S. More: What is wrong in Shri C. C. Shah: My submission it it? It is decentralisation. this. 56 per cent, of people livinff in this area, to whom it is the homeland Shrl C. C. Shah: Of course, it is as to anybody else in this country, decentralisation. You can decentralise cannot be left to be ruled by a lingui­ the whole of Bombay. I don’t mind it. stic minority. The expansionist You can decentralise the whole of urges of aggressive linguism nuiy try Bombay and n*ot only a part of it. to annex the territories round about Shri Gadgrl further says, “The future it. But it is for us. sitting in this of Bombay State, is in the long run House, to decide whether such ex­ bound up almost exclusively with pansionist urge will be encourageo. Maharashtra.” It is not for Gujarat that I am speak­ 4 ing. Not at all. It is for the nation, An Hon. Member: That is right. it is for the country that I am speak­ ing. Shri C. C. Shah: Shri Gadgil pro­ ceeds: ‘This will reduce the industrial Now you will find that before the importance of Bombay for those Dar Conmiission and before the parts and also stop the flow of indus­ S. R. C. the entire non-MaharasHtrian trial labour from distant regions. element, the 56 per cent, of it in Bombay’s all-India importance for Bombay, have demanded that Bombay certain specialised agencies may should not W om o part of a unilingual remain; but it will exist chiefly as area. Those are the resolutions the port and the economit: centre of passed by the Karnatnka Provincial Maharashtra which is the role indica­ Congress Committee. The Karnataka ted by its geographical location.” Provincial Congress Committee has Thus, they want not only that the unanimously resolved that in the event industries of Bombay should be of the State of Bombay being redis­ disbursed but the national importance tributed, the Bombay city should of Bombay should be reduced and it become a .separate unit because Kar^ should remain, principally, as a port nataka has equally vital interest in for Maharashtra. the future of the city of Bombay. The Bombay Citizens Committee has Now, if that is the future; what is denx^ded it. The Sindhi Association the position of Bombay today? Bombay in Bombay has demanded it. The contributes 40 per cent, of the total Kerala As.sociation in Bombay has customs revenue of the whole of India. demanded it. The Uttar Bharatiya It is a national port and our gateway Association in Bombay has demanded to the world. Bombay contributes 31 it Everyone of them has demanded per cent, of the total income-tax of it. You will be surprised to know that the whole of India. Bombay handles there are five lakhs of people from 2895 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 289S

IShri C. C. Shah] country. If anything happens either North India in Bombay, principally in Bihar or Bengal ur Assam or any in labour population. What do other part of this country, Bombay Maharashtrian friends want? They will give in millions to help them. say that labour from outside should What happens in Bombay today will not come to Bombay. Bombay is the happen in the whole of India tomor­ largest employment centre. Bombay is row. I say that city, which is our the place where every man can earn pride, should not be tossed in the his living. They do not want that any­ vortex of Maharashtra politics. Three one should come to Bombay from different units—Marathawada, Maha­ outside Maharashtra. My submission, rashtra and Vidarbha for the first time therefore, is that this territorial argu­ are coming together. We do not know ment smacks of homeland, and parti­ what it is elsewhere. That may be tion, In our Constitution we have will be. Shri Kaka Saheb Gadgil deliberately provided that the adjust­ told us that there is very great political ment of areas, boundaries etc. is the consciousness in Maharashtra. Because sole concern of the Parliament and of that political consciousness pro­ no group of people has a right to say bably he finds that loyalty to the that a particular territory belongs Congress is less in Maharashtra than exclusively to any linguist group, no what the shape of Maharastrian politics matter who are the people living in so. that area whether they are 56 per rent, or not, that these 2-3 million An Hon. Member: It is not like that. people are strangers, that they are immigrants who can stay on Shri C. C. Shah: That is what Is sufferance. We have to resist the implied. I hope it is not. To men aggressive linguism which always like Kaka Saheb Gadgil, Bombay is finds a place in every nook and corner. only a waiting room. To us it is the 1 do not want in any manner to say flower of Indian culture. I, therefore, that the people of Gujarat make any ^ humbly beg to submit that the decision claim to Bombay. We are greatly wliich has been taken by every com­ attached to Bombay as much as any mittee and commission is the only other community, because five lakhs right and correct decision. I would of our people are there. We believe appeal to my friends from Maharash­ firmly that Bombay should not be tra; I have lived in Bombay all my a part of any unilingual area. We want life and I have been brought up in it to remain as it is, a cosmopolitan Bombay. I have been in Bombay for and multilingual city of this great all the 55 years of my life and I know* country. what Bombay is. The protagonists Finally I would like to say this. of Samyukte Maharashtra—most of Bombay, as the Home Minister with them—have not lived in Bombay and that felicity of expression, for which they do not know what Bombay is. he is so unrivalled, told us is the Shri Patil has got a right to say what cradle of our nationalism. It was the Bombay is because he has lived all his birthplace of the Indian National life in Bombay. The Bombay Pradesh Congress. Come to Bombay and see Congress Committee has got a right the spirit of freedom which it breathes to say what Bombay is; the legislators and the sense of equality wiiich elected from the Bombay city have a it feels; the spirit of tolerance which right to say what Bombay is. you will find in Bombay, you will find Shri V. G. Deahpaade (Guna): Does nowhere else in any other city in it not belong to the whole nation; India. It is the same with the national does it belong only to the Congress? outlook in Bombay. Bombay has given a lead in national struggle. Sardar A. S. Saiga! (Bilaspur): Try Bomblay has given a lead in every to understand it. . movement. Bombay has been a friend Shri C. C. Shah: Therefore, I would in adversity to the whole of this appeal to my friends from Maharash­ 2897 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 289B tra to accept with good grace what want to listen they may go out o£ the the nation has decided, what the House. They may not like Hindi and country has decided ever smce 1920. they may like me to speak in English. We wish them well; may their State I know English but I would rather of Maharashtra prosper and progress speak in Hindi than in English, be­ well. But, let them not create bitter­ cause that is the ziational language. ness and insist on a demand which demand is untenable and unreasonable. m ^ ^ f ^ ^ hrtviR-vnS inwhug iritr srfRvn « ?r«r #

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Shri Debeswar Sarmah: May I •nni r*nn ir« m u Kieft make a submission? If the debate is sw n 79" Jn^ ^ *f>t 'ar>HT regulated, 1 would submit that it f , 5T»ft r*TOT >ft ^wim ft may be reifulated in an understand­ able way. The hon. Speaker was ?rrm f i pleased to make certain observations in the matter of the regulation of the debate. Then the hon. Depiity-Speakei ?rr r # »f wr^fr s; fsnr?} made some suggestions. When I stood ^ ^*(i/i »j^dl up to catch the eye of the Deputy- Speaker, he said, ‘Let Bombay be ari*? fTT ijTR ?prf r? «^''«I, fmished first’. After hon. Member, ?; ks55 3RW ari^ ?n«r im rof sbt Shri Shah, spoke in respect of Bom* bay, U.P. has been called. I know that aih mrshr rjn^ ^ f?n? I have to catch the eye of the Chair; v h n -T< % ^ ^ ?rf>T- but I also have a right to participate TtTOT 3Tvf7^ '.Statutory Standing Cr.nunittces) in the debate, subject to my ability to catch the eye of the Chair. But, to ^ ii/ 31^ ^CTTT an*r?^ vrffv ^ catch the eye of the Chair only to be fcff^;y. «rh^ ? 5^ turned down is a procedure which is not understandable. VT w»n ^twsT arujjf f aift ■apiTif Ti^ntf, ^ 5tt4 at^ri!r? Mr. Chairman: Order, order. I do d 'iV* 1W ^ f?B '«*irii T*?*^ not accept the last part of»the obser­ tsvmr ?n ^ \ ^ vation of the hon. Member to be a right one. After all, only one Member ^rwFvr *f a im w T n t? can catch the eye of the Chair, not ^r? wtr'^R ^ HirhrT ^iie^ 4^ arratv two at a time, not to speak of too fWt nrffT? many. So many hon. Members are eager to speak and the Chair has got jf WR f ^ *nnr^ ' to exercise its own discretion. It can­ arm^nrm q? not be dictated to by each and every hon. Member of this House. The hon. ^ 3TFrfV 5=T^ fhft ^rfVi3 I Member has just pointed out thal the Deputy-Speaker had stated that Bombay State would be taken first ^i)\i\ri!(\ wrr JTHT^ «imf ^ and the other States after, that. U.P. ^?nr^ ^ ^ ^funnrs^ ve^ was allowed to intervene because of the fact that that particular Member ^ ^ TW ^ 3riV?5 ^ wanted to go away and requested the ^ ^ ^mrr ^ yn r^f Deputy-Speaker to be allowed only five minutes. That was a very perti­ i f ITrR f ^ ^ I nent and reasonable request and she ^F^M?T; ^nrnR* ^ «5Tf^ ^ was allowed to intervene between the iTwiift # iftf ^ ^ snff h;?rt speakers of Samyukta Maharashtra and Bombay. That view of the Tt. ’OX' ^ eirfWrf srr Deputy-Speaker is being followed an^^RPT ^ # I *9^ ^TFT even now with the exception which I have just mentioned, and there has;, # ? w # ^ 3nrf ^ therefore, been no deviation from tr^B WTT^ F ^ ?TyW ^ ^ what he expressed. ^ ?RiM it i ^rs^r arnrt^r Shfl Debeswar Sarmah: What about ^ ?T?wf ^ irf 3nr^ F r ^ ^ ^ Assam? From that State no one has 2901 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S,R,C. 2902

been allowed to make any submission. Then we have Vishalandhra, where Where do those Members stand? one section does not want to join another section. In Travancore, one Mr. Chairman: I shall forward that section wants to go away from i*n- demand to the Deputy-Speaker. other section. These are all the cate­ gories into which I have put tlieri. [Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair] Next I will come to border disputes, Shri Debeswar Sarmah: May I Bengal and Bihar, Assam and Bengal, make a submission? Assam independently, Orissa, etc. Then the Class C States and after Shri R. S. Diwan (Osmanabad): He that the minorities will come. Then has already made his submission. again the turn will come. Now I call Shri Debeswar Sarmah: But I have Shri Khedkar, and next I am going a right to make my submission to the to call Shri Chettiar. Deputy-Speaker. Shri Debeswar Sarmah: But yes­ Mr. Depaty-Speaker: I imderstand terday you allowed Shri Chatterjee to it. The hon. Member wants to have a speak about Assam. chance for Assam. But hon. Members Mr. Depnty-Speaker: Shri Chattir- will bear with me that there must be jee was called upon as a leader of a some scheme and that I am proceed­ group and incidentally ___ ing with it now. We have heard frcm Shri Gadgil about Maharashtra, from Shri Debeswar Sarmah: May I Shri Patil about Bombay City, from know what group that is? Shri Shah about Gujarat, and now I fhall dispose of Vidarbha. Yesterday Mr. Deputy-Speaker: If I give up we heard from somebody about a even the power of deciding whether different Punjab and also an opposi­ I ought to call X, Y or Z as a repre­ tion to it from Shri Tek Chand. If sentative of a group. I need not sit mere is one more from Punlab, I here. I have got that right. Does the would like to give a chance to that hon. Member thhik that he is the Member. head of a group as much as Shri Chatterjee is, to whatever party he Bhrl Debeswar Sarmah: What may belong? Shri Chatterjee incident­ about Shri Chatterjee? How was he ally brought in the question of border given a chance? disputes in his speech. Immediately shall I rush into the border and say Mr. Deputy-Speaker. Assam has “When there is a main project of not got so much of trouble as others river, it should not go into a canal? have. Next I want to come to Madhya My hon. friend, Shri Sarmah, was Pradesh which has swallowed up four himself a Speaker of an Assembly and big territories, Madhya Bharat, I am sure he would have pulled up a Madhya Pradesh, Bhopal and Vindhya number of members. I am not compe­ Pradesh; they must be heard. Seth tent to pull him up; he is a big man Govind Das spoke for Jubbulpore in the dispute about the capital—Bhopal Shri M. S. Gompadaswamy: You or Jubbulpore. Hon. Members must are dealing with Bombay now; we read the whole report to know the have got certain disputes with Bom­ points of dispute and where they arc. bay on behalf of Karnataka. Of course. U.P. and Rajasthan are practically untouched. I have no Mr. Depaty-Speaker: Karnataka quarrel with U.P., but all that U.P. has disputes all round. Shri M. 8. Gmnpadaswaaiy: It Let me also continue in position.” would be better if you give a chance Therefore, it is not as great a pro­ to our group----- blem as Bombay or Punjab or Madhya Bharat or even Karnataka, which Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I called 8hrl has rolled into one several areas. Nijalingappa yesterday. 493 L.S.D—3. 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2903 Motion re: 2 9 0 4

Shrl M. S. Gnnipadaswamy: What TO IW ^rfWT i f TOT ^ f * • ibout our group? ?TRT ift f f 4 wi^fsrftr- Mr. Depaty-Speaker: Am I to ii)d^hr ^ iit^h ^ra" ^ i ■fW divide Karnataka into P.S.P. group and other groups? I will call each ^ ^ qmr group. The first person that was 3fT3 hrof ^ ITRT called was the leader of the P.S.P. an3 hr^rt" ^ iTRT 3 r?m -^ group. I am really surprised when the hon. Member says “If the leader ^ ^ 5RvTT ^ irt iT^RTSg of my group is called, why should I gW ^ JT frr also not be called?” i w W I qiro 3fT?0 ;5fto v flR R 5^ 3TT5 ^ URT ^ ^ «Fmr WrTerpJ ^ 5RTIT ^ *lf»T *rwr ^ ^ ^ ^ f \ (T^o ^ ?Efto fr A f ^ »o 'i 3T^ W r ^ ^T*TT i f : 3W»T ^ it I ^ ^ “The size of this surplus in future fr«ITT WHT HWT f ^ HTWr }* aroi irffo arno ?fto ^ (T^ w JpRT ^nfiT ^ *f irt VO ?tw TPT^ i*! ^ r n w W «e. ^ arnrr^ it 1 w^rarat # fi!»n gir^ ^ # i 3jt *Twr ^ ^ T? wnmw ^Tfn* ^ ^ ift I fTFn ^ 5T^, ?rtv?r ^ fTtrai?^ aih ^ «Bnrhr M srt? TO/hr 5^ ^ ^ f «T5 HW ^ yrvRW t ^ HPT I ^ fl^RT ^ ^ «o w a

|W) ^ »rqT aff« ^ 'H'lni Rirn's ^ f??hTt «f? Jn??r ^ ^ # 1 ?rt *rjnr«? ^ 5irf?r^ # ^ ^ 3JT ^mt»n I ^5T «7 ifnum f v T5?i^ 5^ ^ yrxrw jiht wm 1 e fiR T T ^ a n ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ I >j^ wii Tih ^ ^ if’Tt '^15 ni aiRT *T5T7n5 *f snhms^nff#, 3inr IT^ WRTT *ft ^ ^ i— The position will, of course, be ^ 1 ?fP ^ am? ^ f'ren^ 1513 ntn ^ different if Greater Bombay forms r ^ ^ v t f w ^ t ^ part of Maharashtra. 3tif?rais ^ 5nm ^ I «nsr fr «T»f ^ arrfiRi^ 5nr? f ^ HPTT^? ^ iiTW ^ ^ * f irf f W 5 t it n ^ trff msm ^ 1 # ^ ^ if ^ I ^’HT »reT fts

«T^ atf} fRT arsfk «*»r ^ P?r?ft Land and tenancy laws in this are* will have to be modelled on those of ^ I ^

^ 0 ifto ^ ^THT kro* ^ ^6 ^ anft fi?f anw q^ JTRTW arr^ ^ ^ ^ ^inr ^ ^ ^ Wl «TFf 'R ^ ^ «iT ^ 5ir inipn ^ 3TRP ^ A r w A hrFSTT # ^ : AnnnA ^ «o f?ir ^ A New State of Maharashtra comprising the Marathi speaking W ^3TT t ^ ^ ^ ^ areas of the Bombay State ex­ ^ f^arr it \ ^ ^ ^ cluding Greater Bombay, and the i n ^ jf »r«r hittt ^ f Muruthwada district of Hydera­ bad and the Marathi-speaking ?rf ^ 2^ ^ tr^ ^ arwrr f i areas of Madhya Pradesh be 3TTW ^ ^ JT^ ^ TTRT formed. 1 arw fd 3TTtnd ^ ^ ^ »T«r PPS^ ^ w^A VRHT 5^ I f^TT^ ^ ^ 7^ ^ VT arf? qi ar?Fr ar^ ^ 5W ^ ^ P^T^ ^ TW5 ^ I f H ^fWl, \ d ^ f'aldl ^ ^TFT^ ^ TTRTTT V [^ ^ ^ wm ^ ^ msr TPsV HTfsn ^ qro* «n I ?}^FT viW TTv.-?r ‘‘Vidarbha, that is the Marathi­ jp^fT ^ ^ ?5prf5r arr^ ^P 51ft speaking area of the present T?p r fr ^ acwp q? Madhya Pradesh, should be invit­ ^ v ^ w art*? w^nm ^r*rr f ed to join the new Maharashtra State and the wishes of the people irf f«T> ^ ^ ^ TTO there should be ascertained.” f \ ?rf ^ ^ ^ ^ r? 3 p. M. fPT ^ ^ iW HKH) ^ «T5f fR) f ’Tikr 3TFI) «nhrf ^ if I ^ 3TTT W 5m^ ii ^ t wprwfT ^ f »ii ^ ^ srmit ^ m»^}’ Pn; ir«r ^ irere ^ ^^* ^ ^ ^ VT*^ w^Tpi ii r^l 3(f*? vn^wiVi ^ *S iTO «fR ^ i^rrf I ^ *Tnr *ft ^ ^ ift ?rW^ ^ f^EOT ^ anrf?i^ ^ w i^ fap Hnft iTTTsft ^Frm tr^ ^ tr^ iT^RPS ^ ^ ^ ^ P^fT^ PF?r jf ^rrfr^ f^Rr ^ri* ^ ^ ipTo ^fhro vft ^ *T^T7TS5 «FT ^TPT W I ^ it H i PwP^ »f iW ^ ^ i|h^ ^ WTT^^ 3TTT 3TTS p3TFlf* VT JTT^f^fT fjfj tT"P ®ter FT TTRT f s ^ if ^ ^ ^ P^ ^ P«nW* ifd tr^ ^ ^f?q; ^ ?(/f*yr ^ 7^ «P? PT^ ^ T^gRT^ft P^MPrf ^ ^ ipr Ffhr ^ it* «fH?f ^ 1 ^ Pt^ aift OT ^kfT^ Pvnrnf ^TW fft ^TTv ^ ^ ^5^ »nrr ^ ^M'jf ^ jft TTfv ^ Pt^ P^rr I ^ r«i HWiJl TTF^ r*f4i «nr; \ ^ ^ IJgPHpH^^^ 3TO^ ^ ar®(5T frarnf^nyihpr ^ ^rtrS I ^fwrrr ^ yrr 5il ^RTTT ^ 63^1 tprfq- Psmrm ^ ^rrtt ^ ^ 1 f Ff^irsf irf v fii% ^riVn 4 V^^TT ^ Pv ^^5 P^rff fiT^ ^ ^fT^ it ^ ^ ^Piftr fsf^nrm P^npf JiP?r vsTpf *!)T ?p^>Fr f', ^r^rvT wi'^iTT fv m it \ ainr «ni P^iTEft PwPff jrtP^t ^ ^ f H w^v[ wtv I w ^Tif W * iri?A wit 2909 Motion re: 16 DECEaHBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2910

!fNr fW W 71^ f I recommendations of this Report and they had occasion to express their arnr ^ nfi W r f opinions. As far as Madras is (con­ ^iw sx 'I w 5 ^ q5T JTRT H, rfr»H Shrl T. S. A. Chettlan...(3) rest of the recommendations relating to Mad­ rm ^ IT^ ?iT«r <»n^ nrr^ ^H pr ras to s. ay, and now I come to the am? ife r^, fHW r>n^ ^ fourth and the most important one. WV 711^ ^ ^ I ;^rr5TT ^ ^ The Members who are here are not only Members representing the States ^ Vf7i?*rf*r q;!^5hfti from which they come but tney repre­ Shrl T. S. A. Chettlar: Mr. Deputy- sent the whole of India. So, they have Speaker, before I start my speech I advisedly said that safeguards to would like to say one word about minorities should be provided as laid something which came from your down in the Constitution. Whatever mouth... may be the division that we m«^ke there is no division which can be made Mulla Abdullabhai (Chanda): Sir, the by which all the people belonging to previous speaker has spoken against a paticular language can oe brought Vidarbha and so I would like to speak. together. It is found in borders and Mr. Deputy.Speaker: Afterwards. even in places other than borders that there are people belonging to other Shri T. S. A. Chettiar: When Shri languages and the majority may belong Gadgil was making his speech. Sir. to a different language. So, if you are you interprosed that it was by a mis­ to preserve the unity of this roimtry, take that Madras was given to Tamil and our hard earned freedom, we must Nad. I know that you speak Tamil and have the safeguards provided. 1 am therefore you would not have meant it seriously, but I would only like to one of those who believe that to every man in India belongs India. We are say that people in position and power free to settle wherever we like; we should be rather careful before they are free to set up any trade we like; make such remarks. Such remarks do pain some people bnd are the cause o^ we »re free to do any work we !ike: some misunderstanding. we can claim every part of this great country as our own and serve it unto Mr. Deputy-Speaker: That is not the end of our life. Therefore, it is the subject matter of this Report. very necessary that thece safeguards which have t>een mentioned m this Shri T. S. A. Chettlar: Whatever 3‘ou Report should be implemented. There say becomes a subject matter of this di^ssion. may be still further safeguards which may occur to us at the time of amend­ Now, I would like to tell this House ing the Constitution, and they aU that the members of the Madras State should be stressed. The feeling fhtX met a few days back to discuss the we belong to this or that fcgkm It Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2912

[Shri T. S. A. Chettiar] prepared to exclude certain por­ tions of these taluqs from being bound to be there. After all we have included in Madras. But linguii* feelings of States, Districts and so on tic principle should not be con­ and we must have the feeling of lan­ sidered *the sole criterion parti­ guage also. Beyond all that we must cularly in areas where the majo­ also have the feeling that we belong rity of a language group is to a great country to which all the onl> marginal’. Moreover thfst languages belong and to which all the two taluqs form 12 per cent, of the States belong. whole area of Travancore-Cochin and being thinly populated, may In the recommendation about Mad­ be utilised for relieving the con­ ras there has been only one matter gestion, in other areas of Travan- about which there is quarrel and that core-Cochin, which is a very thick­ is the matter of Devikulam and Peer- ly populated State.” mede. This question has been a mat­ ter of quarrel between the people of Now, let us consider the points Travancore-Cochin State ^nd the which have been raised by the authors people representing Madras State. of this Report. Let me flrst come This case has been put very clearly to the population problem. I am ab­ in this 'Analytical Summary and solutely unable to understand how Comments* which has been issued by these figures of population have been the Lok Sabha Secretariat. In a very given. Now, I am going to read from few lines they have put this case very speech which has been compiled with effectively. It says: proper reference to statistics and cen­ **In the Devikulam and Peermede sus figures. I am reading frcm the taluqs, the Tamil-speaking popula­ speech of the Minister for Education tion is 72 and 44 per cent, respec­ and Finance who piloted the motion tively, out of which 46 and 30 per on the Report of the SRC in the Mad­ cent, are a floating corps of labour­ ras Assembly. This conclusively ers’ [migrant from adjacent Tamil proves that what has been said in the districts] leaving thus only 26 and Report with regard to population 14 per cent, as the non-floating figures is wrong and is not based on Tamil-speaking population.** facts. The actual figures are given in this speech. There it is said: I do not know wherefrom the authors of the Report have got that statistics. “There are, however, sufficient I will have occasion to examine them indications to show clearly that this in a moment, but before doing so let has been all along a predominant­ me raise the other points which Ihey ly Tamil area.” have mentioned in their Report ;is to why Devikulam and Peermede should The following figures taken from the continue to be in Travancore-Cochin Census Reports for 1931, 1941 and State. It goes on to say: 1951 are relevant in this connection. The Malayalee population of Deviku­ *'It is contended on the othei lam in 1931 was only 3,894 while the hand that the Tamil population in Tamilian population there was 51,730. this area might *have been orginal- Ir> 1941, the Tamilian population be­ ly migrant' and that it now cons­ came 53,394 while the Malayalee popu­ titutes a majority. Devikulam and lation becakne 8,282. In 1951 census, Peermede taluqs are hilly areas the Tamilian population is 62,130 and with several natural advantages, the Malayalee population has become and being the sources of forests 16,050. In Peermede, the Tamilian and some rivers vital to the population in 1931, 1941 and 1951 is. economy of Travancore-Cochin, 24,776, 31,911 and 42,570 respectively, the State cannot be deprived of whereas the Malayalee population this area and even the other claim­ for the corresponding census prriod is ants recognise this fact and are 19,284, '31,784 and 50,440. I do not 2913 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2914

want to add to what the Minster there ha5 said. He further went on to say: the Tamilian workers came from Mad­ ura and Tirunelveli districts of the **l will take up the figures for the Madras State? Devikulam taluk first. I do not Shri T. S. A. Chettiar: I speak from think the Malayalee population could have increased from 3.894 the Census Reports and the Census in 1931 to 8,282 in 1911, however Reports speak their own tale. I do not fertile certain sections of the popu­ want to say anything more about it. lation may be.” Now, I come to the question of water This increase in population cannot resources. An argument has been ad­ be merely due to natural causes. He vanced that these two taluks contain further says: some of the water resources of the peo­ ple of Travancore-Cochin. Is it new **Again, the strength of the Ma­ that in this great country, the water layalee population has nearly resources may be in one place and the doubled in 1951 to what it was irrigation projects which are fed on in 1941. Therefore, there has been those waters may be in another place? an inflli ration of Malayalee popu- In fact, what Malabar and Travancore- tion into an area which has been Cochin need is dewatering. It is no Tamilian throughout” . argument that because they have got those water resources, those areas must I know that efforts have been made be added on to that State. from time to time by Shri Pattom The third reason that has been ad­ Thanu Pillai and his successors to see vanced for the retention of these two that people from Malabar and other taluks in the Travancore-Cochin State areas migrate there and settle there, is this: it is a new economic theory! but unfortunately those people could It is said that if these two taluks are not settle there and went btick, with taken away, the income of the the result that the population what Travancore-Cochin State will be less. it is today. Here, I quote from the Report of th# Commission where they say: Let me quote further: “ ...... whenever new States “Whether the Tamilian popula­ have been created or when accom­ tion whose strength has been stead­ modation is needed for any other ily increasing on the Malayalee po­ reason, to grant ways «nd means pulation whose strength has been advances to the States which may suddenly jumping up is the floating require them in order to help them population is the question that wiD to tide over their difficulties.” have to be considered. All these have been ignored completely and Again, they have said: the Commission say that it has “Pending a comprehensive re­ been represented before them that view, we would suggest that most of the Tamilian population grants-in-aid on revenue or capital was floating population". accounts as well as long-term I say that this representation is a loans should be available to the new States as nearly as may be gross misrepresentation of facts. on the existing basis.” Shri Piumoose: Does the hon. Mem­ So, for economic reasons, if they ber know that this was an area which want such an assistance, it is for the was kept away from the intrusion of Government of India to come to their the peasantry for the development of assistance. We will all certainly be plantations and that therefore there here to fight for them to get that was no chance of the Malayalee popu­ assistance. But that is no reason to lation getting into those areas and that say that Peermede and Devikulam can 2915 Motion re; 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.R.C. 2916

[Shri T. S. A. Chettiar] we can read, through which we can and should go to the Travancore- write and carry on the administration. Cochln State. The Commission have But there is one other aspect which I also said that the wishes of the peo­ would like to place before you. A ple must be ascertained in such cases. national language, when it grows in The wishes of the people have already its natural formation, helps the nation, been ascertained in these cases. Dur­ but when a national language is ing the last general election, what forced upon the people and is happened? A candidate belonging to speeded up to an extent that it cannot the Travancore-Cochin State Congress be followed by the people, then it was set up in those taluks, and even may create certain feelings which go the President of the Tamilnad Con against nationalism. English, during gress went there to do propaganda for the past 150 years, has had a growth, that person. But the Travancore an easy growth. It might have had a Tamilnad Congress set up two candi­ slow growth and it is true that it dates and they not only won with a paved the way for the unity of India thumping majority but—-if my infor­ in a large measure. We were able mation is correct—^the other candi­ to understand each other, we were dates lost their deposits also. So, the able to converse with each other and wishes of the people have been ascer­ convey our ideas to each other and tained. There is nothing more to be were able to fight with the British done and it has been completely prov­ Government because English was ed. known to us and it made us under­ Now, I do not want to attach any stand each other thoughout the motives to the States Reorganisation country. We could therefore imder- Commission, but this much I must stand each other and make conmion say: they were not in possession of programmes for each other. But that correct facts when they made this really took 150 years. Now, we are recommendation. emphasising on a national language. Our Prime Minister has also said that I come now to the next question. all the languages of India are our Arguments wer^ put forward after national languages. Now, there are the speech of Shri C. C. Shah ended attempts made to give an additional that those Members living in. Bombay emphasis to the official language,-— only should speak about Bombay. I more than it can grow. In South have got a right to touch upon other India, for example, the present genera­ aspects of the States Reorganisa­ tion cannot learn Hindi as they have tion Commission’s report though learnt English today. If we say that not belonging to Bombay. As a in the course of the next five or ten Member of this Parliament, I have years, everybody muat learn Hindi or that right and in this Parlia­ at least a large number 01 younger ment 1 hope every Member has a people must learn Hindi, it is bound to right to touch on all aspects of this create a sense of frustration, and that Report irrespective of the party or in its course is bound to create an community to which he may belong. element of disunity in the country. Now, I would like to touch upon one So, I would like to say this: let us important aspect of the Report. The not hurry up in the matter of Hindi. SRC Report has laid proper emphasis Let us by all means make it an upon the primacy of India, that is, we official language, but you can never must make arrangements for the con­ force a language on a people. Wi» tinuous flow of feeling that we are all know the result of elections in East Indians first. In this matter, language Bengal. What happened? The great plays a very important role. Religion reverse of the Muslim League in East und language, if not used properly, Bengal was mainly due to the fact that may prove to be the dividing line bet­ they failed to recognise the Bengali ween State and State. We want a na­ language. Of course, today we have tional language undoubtedly through not committed such a mistake. But which we can converse, through which if we try to force the pace of Hindi, 2917 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1P5S Report of S.R.C, 2918 h may create a dividing line between Hindi, he will be able to understand us rather than uniting influence. I a few words. That will be the official would like to recall to you what a language The official language of prominent politician in Madras said India will certainly contain elements cl when it was announced that Hindi has culture from all the languages. That been made the official language of process, Sir, cannot be hurried up. I India and that the correspondence bet­ shall make this request to the men in ween the Centre and the States will power. Please let us accept the objec­ be in Hindi. He said that unemploy­ tive; but, let us not hurry up. Let us ment for the northerners—the Hindi­ accept that Hindi will be the official speaking people—has been solved. He language; but let us have the courage said so because.all the official records and the strength to give time for it to and correspondence will have to be grow. I think it will take at least a translated into English and so they generation for the people in my part will send people from the north to of the country to catch up with the the southern States to carry out the people who are in the Hindi-speaking translation work. That will mean un­ areas. Unity must come from both employment to a large number of sides. Even for shaking hands, two people in South India because of their hands are necessary. Similarly, real replacement by the Hindi-speaking unity will come only if a large num­ people. That is not the idea which ber of people in the North learn some we would like to give to our people. of our South Indian languages. Our The Hindi which is being contemplat­ President Dr. Rajendra Prasad when ed in article 351 of the Constitution is he addressed the Kasnbar festival in not the Hindi which is spoken today. Madras made one excellent sugges­ The Hindi spoken today is the regional tion. He said that it was necessary language. Article 351 says: to make a provision in North Indian schools and colleges for the study of 'It shall be the duty of the a South Indian language. Union to promote the spread of Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. Mem­ the Hindi language, to develop it ber’s time is up. I will give him five 80 that it may serve as a medium more minutes. of expression for all the elements Shri T. S. A. Chettiar: All other of the composite culture of India speakers have been given more than and the secure its enrichment by one hour. I want at least 15 minutes assimilating without Interfering more. Precedents are there. with its genius, the forms, style and expressions used in Hindustani Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. Mem­ and in the other languages of India ber may kindly resume his seat. He specified in the Eighth Schedule, has spoken at length so far as the and by drawing wherever neces­ particular items of difference between sary or desirable, for its voca­ Madras and Travancore-Cochin are bulary, primarily on Sanskrit concerned. He has also spoken on the and secondarily on other langu­ general matters. He has taken half an ages.” hour. Shri T. S. A. Chettiar: You will be , Today Hindi continues to be a regional language. It may become the Invidious if you cut short my time, when you have given more than one national language in many years; it hour to other speafkers. I am spetJc- must assimilate from the other lan­ guages in twenty or thirty years; but ing on very important matters. today it does not have that assimila­ Mr. Depnty-Speaker: The hon Mem­ tion which is necessary. I would like ber can go on; let us see. that a large number of Tamil, Telugu and Kannada words come into the Shri T. 8. A. ChettUr: In all the Hindi language. I would like that South Indian States, Mysore, Tiavan- the Hindi spoken here should be such core-Cochin, Madras and Andhra, that even If a man does not know we have made the study of Hindi 2919 Motion re: 16 DECEMBER 1955 Report of S.K .C 2 9 2 0

[Shri T. S. A. Chettiar] Shri T. S. A. Chettiar: It has been compulsory in the secondary schools. said that to have a large state is eco­ But not even in one State provision nomical but it is said in page 247 of has been made tor the study of any the S.R.C. Report that there are seve­ South Indian language in schools and ral States in India where the percent­ colleges in North India. I say that un­ age of expenditure on administrative ity can come only by one approach services is less than in the U.P. The from two people and not from one. percentage is 24.6 in U.P. whereas it Study of any language cannot be en­ is 13.1 in Mysore, and 11.4 in Travan- forced simply because it is necessary core-Cochin. Another reason has to get a job in the Government To in­ been given: spire people it must come out of affec­ ‘The test of economical and effi­ tion. North India must make up its cient administration is obviously mind to study ’ some South Indian whether a State is or has been in language. Mere speeches or declara­ a position to increase the expen­ tions in this House or elsewhere that diture on nation-building services. we also want South Indian culture to It does not appear that the Uttar grow will not do. Our respect for Pradesh can claim any particular South Indian culture must be shown by advantage or achievements in this the way in which we make a provision matter...... The per capita expen­ for the study of South Indian lan­ diture on social services in Uttar guages in the North Indian schools Pradesh in 1950-51 was Rs. 2*4 and colleges. These are the ways in against Rs. 3*1 for Assam, Rr. 3*3 which unity of India can be brought for Madras ...... ” about. I come to another ^important mat­ Before I conclude, I would like to ter, namely, literacy. This is what Mr. refer to a few other matters contained Panikkar has said: iA the recommendations of the SJI.C. “Further, I find no evidence to Report about States other than justify the claim that the Uttar Madras. I come to Andhra. They are Pradesh Government because of a good and frank people and surely the size of the State has been a they deserve better. I accept there particularly efficient one. Uttar will not be two States—Telengana and Pradesh has the lowest literacy of Andhra—but there will be only one all the Part A States in India in­ Visalandhra. It will be to the credit cluding Orissa...... ” of all the Andhras. Coming to U.P. this is a matter to which much atten­ The percentage of literacy in UP. tion has not been paid. It is such a is only 10.8 as against 21.8 in Madras huge State and the S.R.C. has not etc. For all these reasons, I say in touched it at all. I do not see why. the interests of the people of that Mr. K. M. Panikkar has put in a note State such a huge set-up is not con­ of dissent and I say that all the ducive to efficiency. I would like to reasons given by Mr. Panikkar must state that the views expressed by Mr. be accepted by this House. They say Panikkar must be accepteid in this that there are 52 districts in U.P. One matter. of the Central Ministers told me that I have only one more point to make. some Ministers of U.P. do not know Bombay is a city of national import­ even the names of all the districts. It ance; it is not merely of capital im­ is just like the case of a man having portance. There are other capitals of too many children whose names he other States which are important only does not know. because they are capitals. But Bom­ An Hon. Member: Grand-children bay and Calcutta are of national im­ also. portance. Therefore, Bombay is cer­ tainly entitled to a very careful consi­ Mr. Depnty-Speaker: The hon. deration of this House. Some people Member seems to know the names of have said, **I have a right to speak all the school children there! about Bombay, because I have lived M otion re: 16 DECEMBER 1055 Report of S.R.C. a 2921 292

district may have a different language. in Bombay.” I have not lived in In such places, the villages may be Bombay for any length of time, but as considered as the unit and the demar­ a Member of this House who is inter­ cation made accordingly. ested in this country, I have a right, to speak on Bombay. Mr. Gadgil made Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The House a very good speech, but at the end the will now take up other business. Be­ idea I had was, “Don’t make Bombay fore I proceed to that, I would like to a separate State; if you do it we will correct an impression that has gone make such a row as will make round by my statement when Shri life impossible for you. You will see Gadgil was speaking here. Shri Gad­ what happens to the Gujaratis and gil was referring and giving points as Marwadis in the various parts of to why Bombay ought not to be kept Saurashtra,” and so on. This is not as a separate State. When the sugges­ the way to support the claim that tion was made, he referred to Madras Bombay should be given to Maha­ City. I only wanted to say just by rashtra. I do not know how many of way of interruption. It is not as if it you know that out of the 30 lakhs of forms part of the S. R. C. report and people in the Bombay city, 4i lakhs no contention was raised. There is are South Indians. So, Bombay is not no fear at all that it will go back or a place which can be one linguistic that it will be divided. There Is no unit alone. such question. I just intervened to Shri Punnooae: What about Madras? say, some people might say that the There are plenty of Andhras, Malay- case of Madras is not clear. That is alees there. \ all. Not that I wanted to create any trouble. It is only a private inter­ Shri T. S. A. Chettiar: I include yoiL ruption just for the purpose of remov­ It is the popular expression Madrassi, ing the tension that was going on. which includes all South Indians. Nothing more. No hon. Members I think that if they are not able to from Madras need be under the im­ agree to the solution recommended by pression that I am creating something this Commission, the solution of the that was not there. Therefore, that Working Committee that Bombay kind of argument on the remark that should become a separate State may I made casually to remove the tension be accepted. There are good grounds in the House need not be taken for that proposal and I would like to seriously and then set into a add my voice in its support I do not fear that there is a possibility of such want to take more of the time of the a decision. House. I would like only to add this. In matters like this we can never Shii Achntliaii (Crangannur): We come to a conclusion which is satis­ did not take it like that. factory to every one. In any conclu­ sion, there will be some people who Shri Kamath (Hoshangabad): Your will accept and some will reject it. By remark was in jest and not in earn­ and large, we will have to determine est. what is in the best interests of the country and what are the best wishes Shri Raghavaohari (Penukozxia;; of the people. In doing so, we are in May I make a submission, Sir? I duty bound to give all safeguards, as would only invite your recollection to I said in the beginning, to all minori> the definite statement that you made ties wherever they may be, about when you participated in the debate their safe existence so that they may on the Andhra Bill that Madras must not be harassed. District is not the not be a part of Tamil Nad. unit that I would like to be taken. There may be areas, there may be villages with a large population Shri Kamath; As a Member; not ai speaking a certain language and the Chairman. 2923 Committee on 16 DECEMBER 1955 Private Members' 2924 Bills and Resolutions COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEM­ important work, the Business Advi­ BERS! BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS sory Committee has suggested and it nas been accepted that it should be Forty- second Report discussed in the next session. The Sbri Altekar (North Satara): I beg whole question will be discussed at to move: mat time. Whether the Preventive *That this House agrees with Detention Act should be there, whe- the Forty-second Report of the uitjr It should be abrogated, whether Committee on Private Members' mere should be any change made in Bills and Resolutions presented It. all these matters will come in that to the House on the 15th Decem­ discussion. That would be the pro­ ber. 1955.” per time to consider these things.If any suggestions have to be made, it This is in connection with not al­ any sort of amendment is to be sug­ lowing leave for the introduction of a gested, mat would be done later at Bill which Shri K. K. Basu wants to mat time. In the opinion of the introduce in this House. He wants by this Bill to amend the Constitution Committee, it would be premature to BO far as article 22 is concerned, allow introduction of this Amend­ thereby restricting it only to enemies ment Bill at this time. It should be and agents of enemies. The result taken into consideration in the dis­ will be the ordinary law of Preven­ cussion on the Preventive Detention Act next time. tive Detention will be dropped. Qf course, under item 9 in List I of the There is another amendment that Seventh Schedule, it is stated: he wants to make in the Constitution. -Preventive detention___ etc.” He wants that article 37 of the Con­ stitution should be made justiciable. According to his amendment, he That is to say, he wants that the wants to omit clauses (4), (5), (6) directive prmciples of the Constitu­ and (7) of article 22. It will so tion should be made justiciable. The happen that if a person is detained directive principles have been laid by the orders of the executive on the down for purposes of policy, for the ground that he is the agent of the State to keep them in view in the enemy, he will not be able to get the administration of the country. Ins­ proieciion of these clauses (4), (5), tead of those principles being matters (6) and (7). He is entitled to get of policy, he wants that they should the grounds for the detention. He be executory, capable of being exe­ cannot be detained beyond a period cuted in practice. In this connection, of 3 months. In these cases, if I would like to draw the attention of clauses (4) to (7) are dropped, no this House to article 45 which says grounds will be given and there will that compulsory primary education be no period for his detention. Merely should be introduced within 10 years. the suspicion that he is an agent will If, on account of financial or other be sufficient for the Government to difficulties, it is not possible for the detain him for any length of time, State to introduce compulsory pri­ without assigning any reason and mary education in 10 years, somebody without giving him any right to chal­ may go to the court and the court will lenge the decision. That is rather a pass an order that it shall be made great hindrance placed in the way of compulsory irrespective of the fact an ordinary citizen. His liberties wili whether a State can do it or not^ be curtailed even to a greater extent on account of its financial position. and greater mischief will be caused. Find out ways, increase the taxes or On that ground also, we do r.o^ do whatever you like: that would be want the Bill to be introduced. the order. Policies, instead of being Another point is this. The discus­ laid down by the legislatures, will be sion on the Preventive Detection Act laid down by the courts. With res­ was to have taken place in this ses­ pect to matters of policy, what should sion. Owing to pressure of other be done and what should not be done. 2925 Committee on 16 DECEMBER 1955 Private Members" 2926 Bills and Resolutions power should be in the hands of the Bills and Resolutions presented legislature and not in the hands of to the House on the 15th Decem­ the courts. By this amendment, if ber, 1955.” it is made justiciable, it will go into Shri N. B. Cliowdharj (Ghatal): I the hands of the court. beg to move: Take, for instance, article 51. It That at the end of the motion the says: following be added: 'The State shall, endeavour to '‘Subject to the modification that (a) promote intomational peace the Report be referred back to and security; the said Committee with instruc­ (b) maintain just and honourable tions to reconsider its recommen­ relations between nations; dation in respect of the Constitu­ (c) foster respect for international tion (Amendment) Bill by Shri law and treaty obligations in the Kamal Kumar Basu.” dealings of organised people with one While moving my amendment, I another; and want to submit that in para 4 of the (d) encourage settlement of inter­ Forty-second Report, the Committee national disputes by arbitration,** have stated that they have examined Shri K. K. Basu's Bill in the light of These are matters which are the principles laid down by them in managed by the Central Govern­ paragraph 6 of their First Report; ment in the department of External and in the light of that examination, Affairs. If a certain individual citi­ they have recommended that Shri zen thinks that it is not done pro­ K. K. Basu’s Bill should not be allow­ perly, he can go to court if this is ed to be introduced. Now, what do, made justiciable. If the court comes we find in para 6 of the First Report? to the conclusion that this policy is The fourth principle that has been not correct or it should be something mentioned in para 6 is as follows: else, the international policies will be decided by a court of law. The ‘‘Whenever a private Member’s question is whether these matters Bill raises issues of far-reaching should be decided by this sovereign importance and public interest, Parliament or by the courts. These the Bill might be allowed to be the points which have been suggested introduced so that public opinion in this amending Bill. The Committee is ascertained and gauged to have felt that it is not desirable that enable the House to consider the such a Bill should be introduced, and matter further." they have therefore suggested that the In accordance with this principle, amending Bill which Shri K. K. Basu we are entitled to bring forward a Wants to introduce should not be Bill of this nature. allowed to be introduced. The Preventive Detention Act has There is one other point in regard raised^ a lot of controversy all over to the classification of certain Bills. the country, and therefore it Is very The Committee have recommended necessary that we have to review the that the Sri Kashi Vishwanath position. It is certainly a matter of Mandir Bill be transferred from cate­ public importance. gory *B* to category *A\ Under these circumstances, I would There are certam other provlslonii suggest that the Report that has been m the amending Bill relating to the presented to the House should be Directive Principles in the Constitu­ tion. On an earlier occasion, Shri agreed to. K, C. Sodhia wanted to bring for­ Mr. Depnty-Speaker: Motion mov­ ward a Bill for tlie enforcement of ed: certain Directive Principles of the *That this House agrees with Constitution. Then also, permisslao the Forty-second Report of the was refused. I beg to submit that aH Committee on Private Members* these Directive Principles are there a927 Committee on 16 DECEMBER 1955 Private Mtmben" 2928 Bills and Resolutions [Shri N. B. Chowdhury] here also involved the question of for the rapid development of our finance because he wanted a second country. They are there to remind Pay Commission to be appointed; the the administration constantly that they hon. Finance Minister replied to that, should take the responsibility of im^ and there was so much of trouble plementing them as early as possible. about it. But that resolution was allowed to be moved and discussed. So, we feel that the provisions of the amending Bill are not of such a Under these circumstances, we think nature as would prove inconsistent that it is a severe restriction on the with the principles which have been rights of a private Member if he is enunciated in paragraj^ 6 of the First not allowed to bring forward Bills of Report. We find also in paragraph 6: this nature. Up till now, no private “ (2) Some time should elapse Member has been allowed to bring before a proper assessment of the forward a Constitution Amendment working of the Constitution and Bill. . a its general effect is made so that any amendments that may be Considering the importance of the necessary are suggested as a re­ provisions contained in Shri K. K. sult/of sufficient experience,” Basu’s Bill, we feel that the introduc­ tion of that Bill should not be disal­ Now, we find that several amend­ lowed. At least, the Bill should be ments to the Constitution have been allowed to be introduced and discus­ brought forward by Government in sed on merits, so that the House will the course of the last few years. And be in a position to analyse the provi­ during the course of this one year sions of the Bill in a detailed manner, -itself we have come across some and then give its opinion on merits. amendments to the Constitution. That shows that there is need for amend­ Mr. Depatj-Speaker: Amendment ing the Constitution in several res­ moved: | pects. That is the reason why Gov­ ernment themselves have tried to That at the end of the motion the bring forward certain amending Bills. following be added: When it is clear that there is a need to amend the Constitution, if a pri­ “Subject to the modification vate Member seeks permission to in­ that the Report be referred back troduce a Bill for amending the to the said Committee with ins­ Constitution, he should not be refus­ tructions to reconsider its recom­ ed permission. mendation in respect of the Con­ While considering private Members’ stitution (Amendment) Bill by Bills and resolutions in this House, Shri Kamal Kumar Basu.” we have come across certain resolu­ tions and Bills which have been Shri Sad!han Gupta (Calcutta South­ found to be constitutionally untenable East): I would like to add to what and not valid in the course of discus­ my hon. friend Shri N. B. Chowdhury sion. has said. Shri Altekar has given two As regards the merits of the Bill to or three grounds on which this Bill which my hon. friend Shri Altekar is not to be allowed to be introduc­ has made a reference, we would like ed. The first ground is that it does to urge that it is a Bill which should away with all the safegixards which be considered by this House. The wbuld be available to citizens detain­ question of finance has been raised. In ed on grounds of collaboration with the case of Shri K. C. Sodhia*s Bill enemies or enemy aliens. I submit also, the question of finance in order that that is no ground for refusing to implement certain Directive Prin­ leave to introduce the Bill at alL We ciples was raised. But I would like can keep easily the safeguards by to state that the resolution of Shri deleting one particular sub-clause of D. C. Sharma which we considered the Bill. The clause which seeks to amend article 22 has two sub-claus­ Take, for instance, article 39. Under es. One sub-clause seeks to amend that article, we find that citizens clause 3 of that article, while the have a right to su\ adequate means of other sub-clause seeks to omit clauses livelihood. That is a very good right 4 to 7 of that article. We can easily if we could enforce it. We could Introduce an amendment, while con­ urge it before industrial tribunals; the sidering the Bill, to delete sub-clause industrial tribunals can grant living (ii). Then, both the purposes would wages. Similarly, there is a direction be served. Clause 3 of article 22 against concentration of wealth, and would be amended, and at the same industrial tribunals in fixing wages t ^ e clauses 4 to 7 would remain and can take account of that. Similarly, would serve as a safeguard for those there is a direction about equal pay for equal work. That also can be who are detained for having had taken into account by wage-flxing connections with the enemy. authorities. Therefore, there are many rights which can conceivably The second ground which my hon. be enforced by courts of law, and if friend has urged is that the Preven­ there are any rights which are not tive Detention Act is going to be re­ enforceable, they can be excluded. viewed. But what would be the re­ Therefore, whatever the merits of the sult of the review? It cannot be an Bill are, they are not to be considered amendment of article 22. At best, at this stage. If there is an impor­ the result of the review can be that tant matter raised, concerning which the Act itself may be repealed; but there is some public opinion—and the provision in the Constitution there is no doubt that public opinion would remain. Therefore, what we is very strong for the abolition of the want to do by this Bill is to repeal preventive detention clause—it should that provision in the Constitution be considered by us and the necessary whi(5h appears to give a blanket power amendment should be effected. 10 Government for preventive deten­ Therefore, under paragraph 0 (4) of tion, and restrict it to certain cate­ the P^rst Report, this Bill should be gories only. In other respects, the allowed to be introduced and the procedure laid down in article 22 (1) House should be allowed to ascertain and 22 (2) would be followed. and gauge public opinion on these important matters. For this Regarding the amendment to arti­ purpose, I support the amendment cle 37, it is said that the provisions of moved by Shri N. B. Chowdhury and Part TV of the Constitution cannot be I would recommend that this particu­ made justiciable. My answer is also lar Report should be referred back to the same. If all the provisions cannot the Committee with a view to enable be made justiciable, then let us intro­ it to reconsider its decision regarding duce amendments by which we could the refusal to allow leave to intro­ exclude those provisions which are duce this particular Bill. not justiciable from the scope of this amendment, and at the same time 8hrl Kamath (Hoshangabad): The see that the other provisions can con­ House is well aware that article 22 ceivably be made justiciable. There of the Constitution confers on every are countries where the right to work Indian citizen the fundamental right is enforceable, where the right to of being detained without trial. But education is enforceable, and bo on. as may hon. friend, 3hri Altekar re­ Similarly, we can have rights which ferred, and as the Committee has sug­ are enforceable and rights which arc gested in its report, this article which not enforceable. And we could ex­ confers the right of detention without clude from the scope of this amend­ trial also guarantees certain.... ment those rights which are not en­ An Hon. Member: It is a funda­ forceable. mental right? 2931 Committee on 16 DECEMBER 1955 Private Members* 293 2 Bills and Resolutions Mr. Deputy-Speaker: He is putting mittee had recommended, I believe, it in a humorous way. only 3 hours or 5 hours for the dis­ posal of that business. Within that short space of time, I do not think that Shri Kamath:....other minor funda­ the entire Act will be reviewed along mental rights which are referred to in with its working, the policy of Gov­ para 7 of this report. ernment with regard to preventive detention and the fundamental right of detention without trial. Therefore, The argument advanced by my hon. the ground advanced in para 8 of the friend, Shri Altekar, is plausible, that report is a wholly untenable and a because it is a badly drafted Bill, it fundamentally vicious, ground. It Is should not be introduced in this wholly objectionable to suggest that House. The House very well knows because something is going to happen that even important official Bills like in the House, something may come the Representation of the People up later on, at a later stage, the Bill (Amendment) Bills—there were two of a private Member should be block­ Bills—^were introduced and then with­ ed. I think it violates the rights 01 drawn—the Minister in charge is for­ Members on this side of the House— tunately here—and then reintroduced as also private Members on that side— in the House. So I do not see any rea­ of introducing Bills of a vital nature son why a Private Member on this or any other nature. I would there­ side of the House should not be given fore suggest, without prejudice to tM the same fundamental right of the acceptance of the amendment of Shn Treasury Benches of introducing Bills N. B. Chaudhury's, that the Bill may and then withdrawing them and then be allowed to be introduced; tne reintroducing them at a later date. Let Member may be asked to withdraw it there be a convention. I sought to in­ for the time being and he may be troduce a Bill in the last Parliament given the right to re-introduce it at to repeal section 309 of the IPC. My the next session, following the'ijright hon. friend, Shri Tyagi, opposed in­ precedent of the Treasury Benches op­ troduction. I do not recall precisely posite. whether you were in the Chair then or Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava was in the Chair. It was very wisely ruled The Minister of Legal Affairs (Shri by the Chair that Bills should not be Pataskar): The position with respect opposed at the introduction stage, even to this Report is this. As we are all private Members* Bills. They can be aware, there is a Committee appointed proceeded with at a leisurely pace, as which has to look into all the Private always happens, and so my Bill was Members’ Bills. That Committee, after introduced. But it could not get any a good deal of consideration, reported chance for further progress. Leave that that this particular Bill of which alone. I seriously suggest to the House notice to introduce was given by the that my friend, Shri K. K. Basu’s Bill hon. Member, should not be allowed may be allowed to be introduced. I to be introduced. would request him—he is not here, but other colleagues are here—through As regards the point made by my my colleagues to withdraw it, as Min­ he referred to the fact that there isters have often done, and then rein­ will just try and hear me— troduce it next session casting it in a more correct form. Shri Kamath: You have my eyes and Shri Altekar referred to the discus­ ears. sion on the Preventive Detention Act which had been put down for this ses­ SBiri Pataskar: -----1 do not know sion but has now been postponed to how he referred to the fact that there the next session. If T remember was already a Bill to amend the Re­ aright, the Business Advisory Com­ presentation of the People Act which 2933 Committee on 16 DECEMBER 1955 Private Members^ 2934 Bills and Resolutions was introduced and subsequently withdrawn. If he had known the 4 P.M. history of that Bill, probably he was not here then—I think he would not The other point is with respect to have made that charge. article 37. I think my hon. friend Shri Kamath was a member of the Consti­ tuent Assembly and he knows that the Shri Kamath: I came later. Directive Principles in their very na­ ture are different from those which are Fundamental Rights. I think he Shri Pataskar: Anyway, that is not had a very great deal to do with this material for the purpose of the dis­ division between Fundamental Rights cussion. But I would request him to and the Directive Principles. I thmJt look into the proceedings as to why the Directive Principles can never, in and under what circumstances that their very nature, be made justiciable: Bill had to be withdrawn, and not re­ because, after all it is only policy. If peat the charge that this Government once we declare policy-making justi­ are recklessly introducing some Bill ciable we would try to relegate all and then withdrawing it. However, authority of this Supreme Parliament that is a little beside the point. to courts of law I think it is different from the basis of the Constitution and it is highly against the interests of So far as this Bill is concerned, what this House. Considering the time at Government will have to say in detail, the disposal for Private Members* they will have the right to say at the Bills, I would only say—I do not ex­ time the question of introduction press an opinion—that so far as this comes. But indirectly it has come ai Report of the Committee is concerned, an earlier stage, in order to save the they have carefully gone into it and I time of the House. As hon. Members think it is correct—whatever the feel­ are aware, there is a limited tiim ings of hon. Members might be—and which has been given to private Mem­ it deserves to be adopted by the bers in order that they may have a House. chance of putting through some Bilb. Consistent with the principles which Shri Altekar: What I have only to this Committee has been following add in this connection is that the Com­ with respect to the proper use of the mittee has to think, before allov/ing time so allowed, I believe this Com­ the introduction of any Bill for amend­ mittee recommended that this Bill ing the Constitution, whether It is should not be allowed to be introduc­ urgent and whether it should be so ed. So far as Private Members’ Bills introduced in the House. I have al­ are concerned, it is much better that ready made it clear that in view of they do not raise such controversial the fact that the Preventive Detention and fundamental issues with respect to Act itself has to be discussed in this amendment of the Constitution. Not House, there will be an opportunity that they have no right to do so—that for didussing all these things. Shri is different. For instance, so far as the Kamath said that there are only about latter portion of this Bill is concerned, 4 or 5 hours allotted for that Bill. But, I would like to submit that the sub­ he fails to see that the maximum time ject-matter is now covered by the that may be allotted^ to a Private provisions of a Bill which this House Member's Bill is only 4 hours. In these has passed. This time we could not dw- circumstances..... cuss that Act on account of several other matters. But that will be con­ sidered in due time. Therefore, I think it would now be premature to Shri Kamafh: I am refering to th^ take up or introduce any Bill on that discussion of the Preventive Deten­ subject at this stage. ' tion Amending Bill. 493 L.S.D-4. 2935 Committee on 16 DECEMBER 1955 Private Members' 2936 Bills and Resolutions Shri Altekar: Yes; I know. For the lowed for the other Bill, that purpose of the discussion of the Pre­ may not be given for this Bill. If it ventive Detention (An>endment) Bill, is found necessary the time for that the Business Advisory Committee has may be extended. The matter is com­ come to the conclusion that it can be ing up during the next session. That done within that time. But, if that was what weighed with the Commit­ comes to the conclusion that the whole tee strongly. The matter will be dis­ matter could not be discussed withir cussed then and afterwards the House that particular time, it can extend the may reverse the whole policy regard­ time. It has decided that it should be ing preventive detention. postponed for the next session. So, the more fundamental question of amend­ ing the Constitution in that respect The Bill consists of three portions. was thought too premature. That is The first portion wants to do away what I wanted to submit and that has with preventive detention under the been made quite clear. Constitution in respect of those per­ sons other than agents of a foreign Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The amend- power or enemy or institution. With ment is: respect to others, the object of the That the Forty-second Report 0/ amendment is to take away the powers the Committee on Private Mem­ imder the Constitution altogether. bers’ Bills and Resolutions be re­ Though there is an entry in the ferred back to the said Commit­ Seventh Schedule vesting the Union tee with instructions to reconsider with the power of passing a Bill for its recommendation in respect of preventive detention, that will be res­ the Constitution (Amendment) tricted only to that category. Bill by Shri Kamal Kumar Basu. The recommendation itself is: The next portion is that it wants “The Committee was of the opi­ to do away with preventive detention nion that as the working of the on the ground that circumstances no Preventive Detention Act would longer exist for that and that when­ be reviewed during the next .•ses­ ever there are circumstances the Pre­ sion when it will come up for dis­ ventive Detention Bill can be intro­ cussion before the House, there duced and passed. Now, there is an was no urgency for this Bill which essential difference. The object, as was was premature.” stated in the Statement of Objects and Reasons is to do away with preven­ Shri Kamath: The recommendition tive detention or to reduce the opera­ is on the last page. tion of the Preventive Detention Act on account of the changed circum­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Yes, I know stances. For that an amendment of that. The recommendation is that the the Constitution is not necessary. It Bill need not be allowed to be intro­ can easily be done by suggesting to duced. The amendment is to refer it Government to keep it no longer on back to the same Committee for con­ the statute-book and to repeal it. But sideration after the statements that there is a fundamental difference be­ have been made now. tween this and the argument that there ought to be no longer any right Shri Pataskar: So far as Go\ orjincm vested under the Constitution to pass are concerned, we have no objection to any preventive detention law apply­ refer it back to the Committee. ing to persons other than those men­ tioned by him, that is, agents of a Mr. Depaty-Speaker: The main point foreign power or enemy or institution is this. The object of the Committee The Statement of Objects and Reasons is not to throw out any Bill merely was that on account of the changed because it is an amendment of the circumstances, it is not necessary. This Constitution. If only five hours are al­ ?lso weighed with the Committee 2937 Members' 16 DECEMBER 1955 Child Marriage Res 2938 Bills and traint (Amendment) Bill A detailed discussion will take place dation in respect of the Constitu­ as to what are the changed circum­ tion (Amendment) Bill by Shri stances. If the House comes to the Kamal Kumar Basu.’* conclusion that the Act is no lonijer necessary it may be repealed. But The motion was adopted. this wants to go further and say that Mr. Deputy-Spaaker: The question there should be no provision in the is: Constitution at all Empowering the Parliament to pass any such law. *That this House agrees with the Forty-second Report of the So far as the third portion wa:^ Committee on Private Members’ concerned, it was felt that there were Bills and Resolutions presented to a number*of items of a general cha­ the House on the 15th December, racter there. It was felt that they may 1955, subject to the modification not be enforceable in a court of law. that the Report be referred back For these reasons, the Committee con­ to the said Committee with in­ sidered that this may stand over. Ac­ structions to reconsider its re­ tually, instead of saying that it may commendation in respect of the stand over for the present, they said Constitution (Amendment) Bill that this need not be introduced. Now, by Shri Kamal Kumar Basu.’* the hon. Minister for Legal Affairs also agree that this may go back to The motion was adopted, the Committee to be reconsidered, by Mr. Deput-Speaker: I will take up which time the House will have an now the Bills to be introduced. Dr. opportunity to discuss another motion. N. B. Khare is not here. Shri Raghu- All these matters will be taken into nath Singh is also not here. Then Shri consideration by the Committee before Syed Kazmi. it sends its revised recommendation to the House. ARBITRATION (AMENDBCBNT) Now, I will put the amendment. Is BILL the hon. Member wilhng to accept the amendment? (A m e n d m e n t of S e c t io n s 2 and 89 Shri Altekar: I am not prepared to ETC). accept the amendment tabled, when the discussion takes place, at that Shri (Sultanpur Distt.— time, we may consider all these aug- North cum Faizabad Distt.—fik)utli r.eations. West): I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. Min­ Arbitration Act, 1940. ister is willing. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question Shri Pataskar: At this stage the is: matter is Entirely between the House and the Committee. As Government “That leave be granted to in­ we come on the scene only when the troduce a Bill further to amend question comes. As Membters of the the Arbitration Act, 1940.** House we also have some rights; but, The motion was adopted. we say we do not mind if it goes back to the Committee. Shri Kmsmi: I introduce the BIU Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question is: CHILD MARRIAGE RESTRAINT That at the end of the motion the (AMENDMENT) BILL following be added:

' Subject to the modification that (I nsertion or n e w section 2A) the Report be referred back to the said Committee with instruc­ Sliri S. V. L. Narasimham (Guntur): tions to reconsider its ^ecommen- I beg to move for leave to introduce: 2939 Insurance 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 2940 [Shri S. V. L. Narasimham] a Bill further to amend the Child WORKMEN’S COMPENSATION Marriage Restraint Act» 1929. (AMENDMENT) BILL

n s e r t io n o f n e w se c t io n 3A) Mr. Depnty-Speaker: The question (I Mr, Deputy-Speaker: We shaH now is: proceed with the further consideration “That leave be granted to intro­ of the motion moved by Shrimati duce a Bill further to amend the Renu Chakravartty on the 2nd Decem­ Child Marriage Restraint Act, ber, 1955: 1929/’ ‘That the Bill further to amend The motion was adopted, the Workmen’s Compensation Act, Shrl S. V. L. Narasimham: I intro* 1923, be taken into considera­ duce the Bill. tion.” The time allotted for this is 2i hours, HINDU MARRIAGE (AMENDMENT) the time already taken is one hour BILL twenty-two minutes and so the balance left is one hour eight (Amendment or section 28) minutes. Shri Abid Ali may conti­ Shri S. V. L. Narasimham (Guntur): nue his speech. I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Hindu Shri T. B. Vittal Rao (Khammain): Marriage Act, 1955. Before you call upon the hon. Deputy Minister, let me say this. Shrimati Mr. Depatj-Speaker: The question Renu Chakravartty had to go away is: and she has written a letter to the Speaker authorising me to reply to the ‘That leave be granted to in­ debate. If you permit me, I will reply troduce a Bill further to amend to the debate. the Hindu Marriage A ct 1955.” Mr. Depaty-Speaker: I will look The motion was adopted. into the rules. Let the Deputy Minister meanwhile continue his speech. Shri S. V. L. Narasimham: I intro­ duce the Bill. ( ft wrft) : OTPsiTW

INSURANCE (AMENDMENT) BILL «rr (I n se r t io n o f n e w se c t io n 44A) 5TR # ^ | h Shrl S. V. L. Narasimham (Guntur): I beg to move for leave to introduce *TT a Bill further to amend the Insurance Act, 1938.

Mr. Depaty-Speaker: The question MfcO ^ ^3^ n r Tripartite discussions t" I VTW ‘That leave be granted to in­ troduce a Bill further to amend the Insurance Act, 1938.” f I ^ The motion was adopted. if | [ t JPTT t I ^ *r«n: sf jt? qi Shri S. V. L. Narasimham: I intro­ duce the Bill. % firsT «rnr % irre sf ? 294^ Workmen^s 16 DECEMBKK 1955 (ATnendtnent) S ill ^943* Compensation

^ Pp 35T5FT such proposals, they should be sent to the employees’ organisations also 5 ^ HKK % ^ and their comments should be sougnt. # ...... Shri N. Sreekantan Nair: But there Shri N. Sreekantan Nalr (Quilon must be a time-limit for everything, cum Mavellikkara): May I matt a Shri Abid Ali: They go on asking submission? All Members who parti­ for extension of the time-limit and cipated in the debate on this Bill we have to agree to that. spoke in English and we do not un­ derstand the reply of the hon. Minis­ Shri T. B. Vittal Bao: May I know ter in Hindi. Will he kindly speak in which central trade union organisa­ English so that we may understand it. tion has not replied to the question­ naire issued regarding the Work­ Shri Abid All: I have no objection. men’s Compensation Act? On that day, the hon. lady Member, Shri Kamath: Of hand he cannot say; while speaking on the Bill, said that he should have notice. Government formulated the amend­ ments and circulated them to the Shri Abid Ali: If the hon. Member organisations concerned after she in­ IS anxious to know whether his orga­ troduced the Bill, which, I was sub­ nisation has submitted the comments, mitting, is not correct. This amend­ then my reply is in the af&rmative. ing Bill came very recently, whereas Shri N. Sreekantan Nair: Abuut we have been on this subject since your organisation ----- March 1953. Our draft proposals were sent to the workers* and employers’ Shri Abid All: Sometimes A.I.T.U.C. organisations and also to State Gov­ aoes not very much care for these ernments. Their opinions were re­ enquiries. About the accidents, one ceived and thereafter in November non. Member stated that they were 1954, this matter was considered in on the increase. From our reports, the Labour Ministers’ Conference, and so far as fatal accidents were con­ since then the process of drafting the cerned, the figure was *13 in 1939, it amending Bill is going on. went up to * 15 in 1943 and again went down to *9 in 1947, and in the last Shri N. Sreeluuitan Nair: For one report that we have for 1953, it was year. : 10. So, from • 13 in 1939 it has come to *10 in 1953. In the mines also, the Shri Abid Ali: Since March 1953, and accidents are on the decrease. Our still I am afraid it may not be pos^^i- statisUcs show that in 1952, the num­ ble for us to introduce the proposed ber of accidents was 361 as against amending Bill in Parliament within 286 in 1954. a few months. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: The rate per Shri L. N. Mishra (Darbhanga cum 1,000 employees has increased, that Bhagalpur): It will be in the next was what I stated. Parliament. Shri Abid Ali: The figures which I Shri Abid All: It may not be possible first gave are in respect of 1,000 in the next session; it may be possible workers. So far as other accidents to introduce it in the August ;!!»essioii. are concerned, they are slightly on Sometimes, the central organisations me mcrease. But the reason is that of the workers also have not been the mspection is better and the able to submit their comments on the workers are more alert. Formerly proposals which we have sent to them. many accidents went unreported, but It is not fair to accuse us so f^r as the now the reporting is better. About delay is concerned. In this House rehabilitation, much work has been we hear hon. Members always ae- done. We have a programme under manding that whenever we have any the Coal-mine Welfare Scheme for the •943 Workmen*s 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 29^4 Compensation [Shri Abid All] rehabilitation of the employees who Shri N. Sreekantan Nair: If the lose their limbs or otherwise become proposed amending Bill is much more unfit for work, and we hope that it liberal than the provisions of this Bill, will be doing much service to the why not accept it now so that when workers. it comes. It will not be in conflict with this. Why should you oppose it now? So far as this particular amendment You feel that it is going to be so is concerned, I may submit that it will liberal: so, why not accept this for not be possible for me to accept iv the present? because, Hon. Members are themselves aware, as I have been explaining here Shri Abia Ali: The amending Bill also, that a large number of amend­ which we are proposing will be more ments have already been proposed by exhaustive; there will be sixty us. The Act, which is under discus­ amendments amending more than sion, has about 35 sections and four twenty clauses and the four schedul- >chedules, out of which we are going f'ii. Therefore, it would not be proper to amend about 22 sections and all to accept this amendment now. the foiir schedules. More than sixty amendments are proposed by us in With regard to occupational diseas­ tnat amending Bill. The points which es also, amendments are to be are mentioned in the Bill under dis- brought forward. We have appointed caussion will also be generally coverd a committee of experts because it is In a more liberal way in favour of necessary to add a few more items to the workers. that schedule. We are expecting the report of the experts.

I appreciate that there has been Therefore, I suggest to the hon. considerable delay in the payment of Mover of this Bill—she is not present compensation to the workers and 1 here and I do not know what is the also appreciate the hardship caused position—or, if there is somebody to the workers due to this. In the authorised by her for this purpose, amending Bill we not only have pro­ that authorised person to withdraw vided interest for the delayed pay­ this Bill. I shall be thankful if this ment, but also compensation, for wil­ Bill is withdrawn. If it is not possi­ ful delay will be payable to the ble for him to withdraw it then I workers in such cases. So, it would would request the House to reject not be possible to accept this amend­ this Bill in view of the explanation ment. that I have given and also the assu­ rance that the Government would bj Shri Thlmmaiah (Kolar-Reserved- introducing a comprehensive amending Sch. Castes): There is no quorum. Bill. It has already been circulated Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The bell is and the hon. Members opposite who being rung. are connected with the trade unions might very well be aware of it. Now there is quorum. SOiri T. B. Vittal Rao: I have been [Shri Barman in the Chair] authorised to reply.

Hhrl Abid Ali; I was saying that Mr. Chairman: Under the rules we propose to bring an amending Bill that are proposed, hon. Member can with regard to ihi? period of seven certainly reply. But that rule has not days, it will also be considerably re­ yet been approved by the House. In duced and the workers who will be the circumstances, he has got no right. out of job for more than the stipulat­ Shri Puimoose (Alleppey): Is it ed period will be entitled to compen­ not in your discretion? Do the rules sation for the whole period. prohibit him from speaking? 2945 Registration 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 2946

Mr. Chairman : Speaking is quite Shri S. C. Samanta: Sir, I am thank, another matter and replying is a ful to the hon. Minister for givinf different matter. me this suggestion and I am ready to accept it. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: Then 1 will speak. Mr. Chairman: That means clause Shri AbJd Ali: He has already 3 of the Bill is omitted and the rest spoken. of the Bill stands. Mr. Chairman: 1 will put the mo- Shri Pataskar: Also, in clause 2 lion. The question is: the words “hereinafter referred to aa the principal Act” may be omitted “That the Bill further to because that is not necessary. amend the Workmen’s Compensa­ tion Act, 1923 be taken into consi­ Mr. Chairman: That is a matter of deration.” small amendment and that will be considered later on. The motion was negatived Shri Ramachandra Reddi (Nellore); Sir, I have to oppose the Bill. INDIAN REGISTRATION (AMEND­ MENT) BILL Shri Pataskar: Let him make the motion first. (A m e n d m e n t o f S ec tio n 2 e t c .) Mr. Cliairman: So, let the motion Shri S. C. Samanta (Tamluk): Be­ be moved first. The Bill with th« fore I formally move my motion be­ amendment as suggested by the hon. fore? this House, I would request you Minister may be moved for considera­ to allow me to give an introduction tion. about the Bill. This Bill was intro­ duced by me in 1948 in another form. Shri S. C. Samanta: I beg to move: You know the fate of such non-offl- cial Bills; it only came up this year. “That the Bill further to amend But as some legal difficulties were the Indian Registration Act, 1908 found out by the hon. Minister here, be taken into consideration.” 1 withdrew the Bill and I have brought it here in a new form. In the last session the hon. Minister The Minister of I.egai Affairs (Shri gave me an assurance that he will eli­ Pataskar): May I make one submis­ cit opinion from different States and I sion. This Bill has been put on the thought, if that is not done then I agenda in the form of a motion for should have my Bill moved for elicit­ circulation. You are aware that the ing public opinion. I am glad to same Bill was introduced some time know that the Government has al­ back and it was discussed. Then, I ready elicited opinion from different also on behalf of the Government said States and that the Government Is not that probably Government would at all against this Bill. That is why not have any objection with respect I am moving this motion for taking to the amendment proposed in clause the Bill into consideration except the 2 of this Bill. So, if the hon. Mem- last portion of the Bill as has been t>er is prepared to make a motion that a iked by the hon. Minister. the Bill be taken into consideration I think that would be better. I will Sir, I do not like to take much time accept it. But clause 3 may b*: delet­ of the House on this because last time ed. Clause 2 will serve the purpose I have already put my views on the for which this Bill is being brought. Bill. There is no denying the fact that the caste system which originated to Mr. Chairman: The first point is make the society prosperous have whether the hon. Member accepts the come to such a pass that everybody suggestion of the hon. Minister? iTi India spoke against it. It is not 2947 Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 2948

[Shri S. C. Samanta] that caste system is bad, but it was Mr. Chairman: The effect, so far manipulated in such a way that as I understand, is that the name of Swami Vivekananda and Mahatma the caste shall not be mentioned. Gandhi who are the greatmen of the Please go through it and if you have day spoke vehemently about this got anything to say you can do so. sin. They went so far as to say that unless we free ourselves of this sin Shri Ramachandra Reddi: Sir, I there is no great future for India. So, wish to say a few words on this BilL all of us here and outside know the I very much appreciate the senti­ bad effects and we want to make ments expressed by the hon. Mem­ amends for it. My only question is ber, Shri S. C. Samanta, but with this. In the Registration Act there regard to the actual administrative is a mention that unless the docu­ difficulties it has to be pointed out, to ment for registration contains the Shri Samanta especially, that in cer­ name of the caste of the individual tain parts of this country unless the concerned then that should not be name of the caste is also noted in the registered in India. Can this remain? document it is not possible to discern It cannot. So, this is a very simple between two persons having the same proposition. We have to go far and name in the same village and, pro­ far. We are trying to redeem our­ bably, having the same occupation selves of the vices we have commit­ also. ted—the untouchability. We are pro­ Shri L. N. Mishra (Darbhanga- gressing and why should there be cum-Bhagalpur): The father’s any mention in any record of the name will be there. Government of this sinful act? It should go at once; it should go. Shri Ramachandra Reddi: Might be, but a father might have Therefore, my proposition is a two sons bearing the same name—I simple one which will not face any am not joking, I am seriously saying opposition from any quarters. I am that. So, it is always safe to retain glad the Government is also willing the existing provision in the Act. to accept it. So, I put my proposition Shri L. N. Mishra: No. before the House and I request my friends that in no time they should Shri Ramachandra Reddi: Until we accept it and pass it. are in a position fo completely dis­ solve the caste system and abrogate Shri D. C. Sharma (Hoshiarpur): it by means of law it would not be What is the advice that you give? advisable that this innovation should Mr. Chairman: Motion moved: be thought of at this stage. Though the Government might think that it **That the Bill further to amend is all easy to do, in our part of the the Indian Registration Act, 1908, country—Southern India—^this will be taken into consideration.*’ lead to several practical difficulties and administrative difficulties too. Clause 3 of the Bill as it stands has This will also be taken advantage of been proposed to be omitted. by the officers if they are corrupt; naturally, a good deal has to be spent Dr. Suresh Chandra (Aurangabad): to see that the registration is made. NVhat is the time allotted to this BiU, Sir? Therefore, in these circumstances I Mr. Chairman: U hours. think that unless the matter is clear­ ed up in a different manner alto­ Shri Ramachandra Reddi: If clause gether it is not advisable that at this 3 is omitted then what is the effect stage this law should be enacted on of this Bill? the floor of this House. 2949 Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 2950

Shri N. B. Chowdhury (Ghatal): want to move forward and which are Mr. Chairman, I give my whole­ not in consonance with the spirit of hearted support to the Bill moved for the articles of the Constitution. consideration by the hon. Member It has been urged that the mere Shri S. C. Samanta and I oppose the mention of the caste may not harm contention of Shri Ramachandra anybody and may not mean Reddi. The Bill is very simple al­ any insult, but then what is the though very significant; because necessity of retaining it? If the sur­ here, all that it seeks to do is to re­ names of the people are mentioned move the necessity of menting the and their addresses, etc., are given, name of a particular caste or sub­ then there is no difficulty at all in caste so far as the names of persons identifying the persons in the case of contained in documents for registra­ any difficulty arising out of the ab­ tion are concerned. What was the sence of the mention of caste. necessity of having this mention of the names of castes? Shri Rama- The provision regarding the men­ Chandra Reddi said that without the tion of caste in documents, etc., has mention of the caste or sub caste, ic come into the law simply because may not b e very easy to find out the those people who had a dominating persbn or identify the person. But I voice in society in earlier days always do not think that it is a valid reasoii. liked to have the names of their There can be no difficulty for anybody castes mentioned. They took pride in who wants to identify a person. It has being called as the sons of Brahmins, already been said how the caste the sons of Kayasthas and so on, and system is eating into the very vitals of that they belonged to Brahmin fami­ our society and what harm it has lies or Kayastha families and so forth. caused to the society through so many centuries. So, this vestige of such Caste came to be mentioned because ignominies should be removed as early of that sentiment. It is an unjustifiable af possible. The Bill is a simple one. sentiment. Because of that sense of All t hat we want to do is simply to false vanity, these things found their do away with the mentioning of the place in law. So, it is high time that caste and sub-caste in the names. Yet, we did away with all such things, and in a way it is a very significant one. wherever this stigma attaches to any There will no longer be the necessity law or anything that we are doing, for mentioning the name of a caste we must give it the go-by. So, I to which a particular people or a appreciate the attitude of the hon. particular person belongs. The State­ Minister who has agreed to accept ment of Objects and Reasons says; the Bill. With these few words, I give my wholehearted support to this “While India is a secular State Bill. recording of castes and sub-castes of parties mentioned in a deed Shri Dabhi (Kaira North): Before for registration in Slates is ano­ I make some observations on this Bill, malous. This Bill is intended to I would like to know the exact effect remove that anomaly” . of the proposed amendment that has been put forward. You will see that, So, the Bill has not come a day as suggested by the hon. Minister of sooner. It should have come much Legal Affairs and accepted by my earlier, just after the attainment of friend Shri S. C. Samanta, clause 8 Independence. Then they might have of the Bill, as it exist? in this amend­ reviewed their laws. But only recent­ ing Bill, would be dropped ly we find that they hftve set up a Mr. Chairman: It will have to be Law Commission, and that has come negatived by the House. after eight years. In our laws, there are so many things which are out-of­ Shri Dabhi: Yes; so, my point is date and which are not in conson­ that the Bill will lose its effect Evea ances witlithe newspirit in which we if it is passed, the whole effect of ^951 Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 1965 {Amendment) Bill 2932

[Shri Dabhi] Bill would be lost. Now, if any profession and several other details. mar. goes to the Sub-Registrar aiul So. there will be no difficulty in does not give his caste, then his identity. His purpose is also served^ because this Bill would not prevent document would not be registered. anybody from giving his caste-name But now, if this Bill is passed, the and having it recorded in the docu­ only effect would be that a person ments. would not be required to give his caste if he does not want to give it. I am lor removing the mention of But if he does want to give his caste, caste from any Government record. then the Registrar is not bound to For that purpose I brought in a BilL reject that document. If the man Shri N. B. Chowdhury waxed elo­ says that he belongs to a particular quent over this Bill. But unfortu­ caste and that his caste may be men­ nately, on that occasion, he and his tioned in the document, I think the party opposed my Bill. Sub Registrar would not have the Shri N. B. Chowdhury: That was power to refuse registration of that for a different purpose. document. I think mv hon. friend perhaps is jubilant over what has Shri Dabhi: Anyhow, I cannot been accepted by the Government bu» oppose this Bill. But to my mind» it the effect is practically not of much does not serve the purpose much. importance. We want to do away 4. 50 P.M. with caste from our society. We have adopted the ideal of a socialistic pat­ tern of society, and there must not be any place for any caste or sub­ caste. Our Prime Minister and all ^ % tfiSTTT TfSTfjqsT our political leaders consider casteism % ^ as one of the evils which should be uprooted. 5 I ^3^ ^ ^ I Shri Pataskar: This Bill may not !iT3r lifr ^ ^ arrfiT-qtcr % ^ be accepted by the House. 5 t Shri Dabhi: It may or may not be. We do not want our castes to be j WaRfr, mentioned, but the effect of this Bill 3ft, is not what has been desired by the 5THT Wif? % SnTrJff ^ Member. That was my point. p t j"T f , xnfnfr ^ w?«nT I would here give one instance. The ^ ^ t I Bombay High Court has gone further in this matter. It has issued a cir­ «ft 5T*ft ^ nfr nft t ftr flTvrftvnnrmr rtf- cannot oppose this Bill. Of course, it does a little towards the removal of ^ «rr 5TFT >T5PT ^ i ?aste. wnr ^ I ^rfr’T Mv hon. friend Shri Ramachandra fwft % 5TTT HTVrft vnnff it Reddi was afraid about identification w smr itt of the persons. I do not know what difWculty there w ill be in regard to tjv ^ vrtmf ?t^ ^ identity We give the person’s address, ^ WFT ^ ?t?ft I 29^3 ^T^dian Registration 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 29s

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«STT % irrpoff ^ ^ 3rTTS»n, urT^nrv^rlr rft ^ sp^ «?T ftf 4' >ft ^ ? % PPH ^ ^l!RT ?TRT t I HHIMi , ( %f%5T JJB (TW ’IT^ If 5T? ?r5T t ftf anR in?if ^ Ttt ^ ?njf ^ I «PT T ^n5t ^ 5T55f % ^rr» 4' f«T5T ^ jnr?!T ^ ^ I ^ ??mrr ^>T?ri | i IT5 'S5?i| ^ iffV9T Shrl D. C. Sharma: I congratulate t)*i»

ft irrftr % Resolutions is woeful, if not tragic. But, Mr. Samanta brought this Bill STHT 1 ^ in t I FT ^ « T t % under some auspicious star, so that 3^ '»iiln-'^lf? *T ^i*i^-fl«iH7T ^ it has been partly accepted by our VTTVTT *ft 4 ITiTT *fR *1^ Government. I congratulate him for that. “fPT j I ^ TTnrfTT ^ Shri S. C. Samanta: My hon. friend t^rf point to Bills which have been there 4 sft%

fallen to the lot of my friend, Mr. ships .which were given only on the Samanta, to pull at least one of its basis of caste. Now, in some Univer- heads out. Rities they have decreed that the stu­ dent should not mention his caste. I 4:50 P.M. may tell you, and I think you know I also know that it will not be pos­ it already—some of these castes have sible for this monster to grow two come to have a particular bad odour. heads when one has been pulled out. Shri N. Sreekantan Nair (Quilon We have pulled this head out once for rum Mavelikkara): May I interrupt all. Casteism has been opposed by for just a minute for seeking some many reformers, by Swami Viveka- Information? I would like to know nanda, Swami Dayanand, Mahatma the implications of this Bill. Gandhi and by Guru Govind Singh. Guru Govind Singh enjoined on his An Hon. Member: It is too late followers not to mention their caste now. anywhere. I can tell you that some of my Sikh friends have followed that Shri N. Sreekantan Nair: For ex­ principle very loyally and faithfully. ample, is it that ‘Dewan Chand Shar­ Here is my hon. friend Sardar Teja ma' should not be written or ‘Dewan Singh. He does not like to call him­ Chand^ Sharma, Caste Hindu, brah­ self by any caste to which he may min' should not be written? belong. He calls himself Sardar Mr. Chairman: The word ‘brahmin* Akarpuri. Akarpur is the name of shall not be written. his village. That is how he distin­ guishes himself from others. In the Shri N. Sreekantan Nair: Shri D. Rajya Sabha, there is a Member cal­ C. Sharma was making a mistake that led Sardar Udham Singh. He calls the name should not be there. At himself Nagoke. Many people may least in this Bill what is mentioned not know what is meant by Nagoke. is. only D. C. Sharma, Hindu, ‘brah­ That is the name of his village. Our min’—the word *brahmin* should not friends the Sikhs have got over this be there. Hindu can be there. difficulty in this way. I think they have done well. At least they have Shri D. C. Sliarma: I was saying tried to give the go-by to this cas­ that in the voters* list, they omit teism. I may tell my hon. friend ‘Sharma*. They have only put down Shri Ramachandra Reddi that we are Dewan Chand. Still, it is possible to not doing anything sensational or ex­ identify who that Dewan Chand it traordinary by doing so. What hap­ pens in the voters' list? I do not If you read section 2(1), definition, know what is the practice in other you will find that the persons who States. But, I know,^ in my State, my framed this section, had some kind of name is not given as Dewan Chand not a high notion about us: It says: Sharma. My name is Dewan Chand. The caste is not mentioned. Still, “ ‘addition* means the place of people are able to know who this residence, and the profession, Dewan Chand is. I think this may trade, rank and title (if any) of be the practice elsewhere also. If a person described, and, in the the caste is omitted from these re- case of an Indian, his caste (if rords,^ I think there will not be any any) and his father’s name, or difficulty. where he is usually described as the son of his mother, then his Again, I may tell you that in some mother’s name.’* Universities they have laid down that the caste of the student should not be If he were a non-Indian, he can be mentioned. Formerly, there used to known by the place of residence, by be a definite place for mentioning the his profession, etc. In the case of an caste. There were so many scholar­ Indian, caste has to be given. This 2959 Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 1955 {Amendment) Bill 296J

[Shri' D. C. Sharma] was a stigma, if I can describe it as own caste. Of course, the hostel was such, attached to us. I am glad that to be known after the name of the this is being done away with. Of caste. They also said that they would course, father’s name must be given; admit into the hostel students from where usually a person is described other castes also. But, the University as the son of his mother, his mother’s put down its foot on it and said; No; name should be given. All these we want hostels for the studentf of things are there. Caste was particu­ all castes; we won’t like to have a larly mentioned in the case of India. hostel which is describea -s a hostel That means, an Indian and his caste for such and such a caste. I do not are indissoluble. This is a thing want to give the name of the caste against which we must raise our which was intended in the case of that voice. hostel. We are on the march. The lessons of history are not lost upon I was saying that it is good that us. The lessons of the great reformers we do not mention our caste. It is are not lost upon us. Thfe lessons of good. Why? Because, I do not want our Constitution to which Shri S. C. to mention the names of the castes— Samanta has referred in the State­ some of the castes have come to ac­ ment of Objects and Reasons aivj not quire a kind of bad odour. That bad lost upon us. It is a small measure, odour may not exist so far as per­ no doubt. I may say that the ap­ sons belonging to that caste are con­ proach of Shri S. C. Samanta is fa^ cerned. But, when these persons are bian. But, fabian socialism in Eng­ mentioned with reference to other land achieved something. In this persons of other castes, they do not matter also we may achieve some­ give them the respect that they de­ thing. Therefore, this is a very good serve. For instance, it may be said Bill. I do not understand why,—I that the person belongs to such and think the hon. I^Iinister of Legal such caste and therefore, he need not Affairs will kindly enlighten us on be taken seriously, or his word need this point—he wants clause 3 to be not be trusted. I think this is omitted. Clause 3 only elaborates to be found not only in my State but the point which is mentioned in clause may be found all over India. I do 2. If it remains, it will be more not want to go into this question at effective. I would therefore appeal length. to him......

Pandit K. C. Sharma: (Meerut Shri N. Sreekantan Nair: He Distt.—South): It is found all over reading paper. He cannot, I lr*.ink, the country. expand like this.

Shri D. C. Sharma: 1 am glad to Shri Pataskar: 1 am finding out hear thir. from Pandit K. C. Sharma. some reference. I am listening to This thing should be done away with. him also.

I may tell you that there used to Shri D. C. Sharma: I am used to be hostels for students of this caste lecturing to persons who have turned and students of that caste and so on. deaf ears to what I say. But they We are building up a University at are mostly in this House. That is Chandigarh. The University is going the fate of these Private Members* to have a big campus. The Punjab Bills. We lecture to persons who University will have its home in do not have the ears to hear what Chandigarh. A caste organisation we say. wrote to the Vice-Chancellor saying that it wanted some land to be set apart for them so that they could Dr. Suresh Chandra (Aurangabad): build a hostel for the students of their No reflections should be cast. 2961 Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 2962 Shrl D. C. Sharma: I would make even ages. We are all well aware of an appeal to the hon. Minister that ht tho evil effects of this caste system. should again consider whether it will We know also that many of the in­ not serve our purpose better if clause terpreters of our shastras, while in­ 3 of Shri S. C. Samanta’s Bill is retair- terpreting them have tried to defend ed. I think that would make the Bill the caste system. But those of us who more effective. have had the privilege of studying With these words, I commend this the shastras knov/ very well that the Bill to the House. I know this Bill caste system in this country was not is going to have favourable winds meant for propagating the idee of and a smooth sailing. I hope there­ caste or community which is practis­ fore it will get to the harbour as early ed. According to our shastras a per­ as possible. Most of the Private son was considered to belong to a Members’ Bills are wrecked on the particular caste only on account of way, and they are not heard of any his profession or virtues and not on more. But I hope this Bill will be account of his birth. But unfortu­ passed, and it will be a Bill which nately that is not the position today; will reform Hindu society to some if a person is born in a certain fami­ extent. ly, he is considered to belong to a particular caste, irrespective of whe­ Shrl Pataskar: On a point of in ther he practises those virtues or not, formation. When the hon. Member which are ennuciated in our shastras. Shri D. C. Sharma was speaking, it Is true that I was trying to look up for some item in the newspaper. It One hon. Member—I think it is not that I wanted to turn a deaf Shri Dabhi—has said that we should ear to what the hon. Member was make an offence under clause 8 a saying. Yesterday, I remember to penal one. I personally do no^ feel nave read somewhere a reference by that this is a matter where w« can Mr. D’Cunha of Portugal to this mat­ resort to penal measures. This can ter, wherein he had a jibe at us on be brought about only through social account of the caste system prevail­ reforms. ing in our country. I just wanted to ascertain that for the purposes of this We have seen that the caste system Bill. Otherwise, I was intently lis­ is very deepseated in our country. In tening to my hon. friend. spite of the reformers and others, we still continue to practise the caste Shri D. C. Sharma: When I refer- system not only in our social beha­ rea to deaf ears, I did not refer to viour but also in political behaviour. the hon. Minister, but I referred to That is a very unfortunate thing. I deaf ears in general. therefore feel that merely by passing this legislation we cannot remove the The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Education (Dr. M. M. idea of caste from the minds of peo­ ple. We can do so only through so­ Das): I thought he was referring to cial reforms. his career as a professor. Dr. Suresh Chandra: I rise to sup­ In the present Bill, we are seek­ port the Bill which has been brought ing to omit mention of caste names forward by my hon. friend Shri S. in deeds for registration. Likewise, C. Samanta. The principle of the Bill I would like Government to bring in is very laudable, and I have no doubt some legislation by which the refe­ that all Members of this House will rence to caste will be omitted from support it. our passports and also from our Gov­ As has been pointed out already by ernment records. That would be a the previous speakers, caste has been good beginning towards the removaJ a curse in this country. The evil in­ of caste to some extent. We talk so tentions of caste have been emphasis­ much about classless society, casteless ed in this country for centuries and society and so on. Nowadays, it ha^ 2963 Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 19S5 (Amendment) Bill 2964

[Dr. Suresh Chandra] become a sort of fashion to talk like Mr. Chairman: That is outside the that. We also talk of the socialistic scope of this Bill. Let us confine our­ pattern of society. If we are to have selves to the Bill that we are discus­ a casteless and classless society, and sing now. Already, we have spent a socialistic pattern of society, it is more than an hour on this Bill. essential that we should try to remove Dr, Suresh Chandra: The principle easte-ism from our country. Our of the Bill is, as has been pointed out Prime Minister has repeatedly stated by the Mover himself that caste-ism that caste-ism has to be removed in should be removed from our country. the set-up of a socialist society. That is why I wanted to go into the whole thing. I have not been able to follow the objection raised by my hon. friend I have nothing against this Bill, and Shri Ramachandra Reddl, namely therefore I support this Bill that if caste is abolished, there may be certain difficulties in South India with Shri Raghavaiah (Ongole): May I regard to administration, and there seek a clarification? With regard to might also be corruption. I feel that the definition of ‘caste* in the original the hon. Minister should go into the A.ct, may I know whether the term matter carefully and see that such means something that is synonymous difficulties are not created. with religion? For example, suppose it is stated: “Raghavaiah, Caste- I would not like to say anything Hindu** and “Raghavaiah, Caste- further, but I would only emphasise Hindu Brahmin”. What is the exact that Government should bring for­ definition? ward another legislation by which we could do away with reference to Mr. Cliairman: He will explain it. caste in passports and in Government Shri Pataskar: I will try briefly to records. ^ has been pointed out by explain this measiu*e which, of course, my hon. friend Shri D. C. Sharma, in is very simple, to my mind. But at the voters’ lists and also in the imi- the same time, it clearly indicates the versities, the caste name need not be trend in which we ought to progress wi’itten, because the persons concern­ In conformity with our ideal ed can be recognised. Shri Sinhasan Singh (Gorakhpur The position is that under the Distt.—South): If a Harijan has to Indian Registration Act, as it was file his nomination paper, he has to originally framed, there was a defini­ declare that he is a Harijan candidate tion of the word ‘addition*. It was: belonging to the Scheduled Castes. “ ‘addition* means the place of Dr. Suresh Chandra: But the idea residence, and the profession, is that they should not have to men­ trade, rank and title (if ary) of tion. Even without any reference to a person described, and in the it, he can be identified, and we can rase of an Indian, his caste (if find out whether he is a Harijan and any) and his father’s name, or if so to which Caste he belongs. where he is usually described as the son of his mother, then his Shri Sinhasan Singh: The Constitu­ mother’s name:” tion itself provides it. This probably is due to the fact that Dr. Suresh Chandra: In some of our in those days all the Indians, citizens imiversities and other places, we of this country when the foreigners have started caste hostels. There are came and were in charge of the admi­ gowda hostels, reddi hostels, Brahndn nistration, were supposed by them to hostels and so on. I personally feel belong to some caste or other, and that it is not proper to have such caste therefore, for the piui)ose of identifi­ hostels. cation, they laid down that in every 2965 Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 19S5 (Amendmtnt) Bill 3966

document, the caste should be men­ on account of the present imbrogli® tioned. Naturally, that provision has regarding Goa. He said that if Goa still continued so far as the descrip­ goes to India, then it will only be­ tion to be given to a person in the come caste-ridden. I only want to document is concerned. As I men­ take this opportunity to state that tioned on the last occasion, some State there are many castes also among Governments—and I am very glad to the Catholic Christians in Goa. Of say that U.P. is one of them, in con­ course, what we want to do in this formity with the principles of our country is to obliterate all traces of Constitution and our policy,—have by the caste system, as far as we can br circular or some such device tried to the process of evolution...... say that in all documents it is not necessary to mention the caste. The Shrl N. Rachlah (Mysore-Reserved- result is that it was open to the Sub­ Sch. Castes): On a point of informa­ Registrar, if this definition of the tion. The Hon. Minister said that word *addition* is allowed to stand as even among Christians, there art it is, to reject a decument because it castes. Does the hon. Minister mean does not comply with the require­ that there must be caste system and ments under the different provisions. it should be recognised by Govern­ That was discussed last time and even ment? then I fugfetted that Government would be prepared to consider the question that in the year, 1055 it does Shri Pataiskar: I am sorry the hon. not look well that on our SUtute- Member has not been able to follow book there should be a provision by me. I am one of those who believe which in every document which >i that the caste system has been a cause brought forward for registration, the of trouble in our country throughout. ci^te must be mentioned, because that It was not only confined to a parti­ amounts to recognition of caste. We cular group, but it has taken such are all agreed that casteism has been deep root that it has continued even one of the banes of our society and after the change of religion. That was we have been trying by all possible the only point. I did not want to means to see that this distinction dis­ justify it. Last time when it was dis­ appears. It was from that point of cussed here, I said that it was a con­ view, as we found in the past, that current subject; we might take some­ marriage laws were liberalised. This time to consider it, An assurance was caste was not only common to Hindus, given and the hon. Member had with­ because there the word is *natlve*, drawn the Bill. Now, I feel it is time that means, all people. I can say that we remove this rule from our that even in places like Goa, so many Statute-book which makes the men­ people had become Catholic Chris­ tion of caste compulsory. It should tians. I remember about 20 years not be necessary to mention the cast«» back that they themselves, in spite of I know, as the hon. Member, Shn the fact that they had become Chris­ Ramachandra Reddi, pointed out that tians, used to observe the caste system what happens in villages is that in in this form, because I knew a gentle­ many cases people are still living as man called Saldana; he used to say if divided in castes and therefore, the ‘Religion-Catholic Christian*, XSaste- caste name is, in many cases, con­ Brahmin*. That is what I remember founded with the su m ^ e . A person to have heard. So it does not pertain may be called ‘Ramakrishna Mohar*. only to Hindus. We know that this As a matter of fact, *Mohar’ is a caste. caste system had taken deep root and But he does call himself at the pre­ it was probably on account of «this sent moment like that. The point is that this was used. I referred to this that we do not want to prevent :jiy- incident because only two days back, body from calling himself by any there was a statement by D* Cunha of name, but on the Statute-book there Portugal which he made, of course, should not be provision by which 493 L.S.D--5. Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 29^8

[Shri Pataskar] mention of caste is made compulsory. why I say it would not be in the in* That is what is tried to be omitted. terest of the general public that we should provide further that in case Minister, it may be practised actually, in a document caste is mentioned, it Minister, it may be practised actually, should be rejected. If we do that, to the detriment of so many people. that will cause hardship to many Then why not continue it? persons. That is the reason why I do not accept it. 8hrl Pataskar: I deny that. I do not know what I said to suggest that I hope that in course of time, by people should observe caste. I never said that. As a matter of fact, what I the removal of this provision about compulsory mention of caste in all said was that the provision in the Act now about cdmpulsory mention of documents, no document writers caste in documents should be removed. will insert it. At the present mo­ ment, the position is that they have Slui N. Rachlah: Though there is a to mention it; otherwise, the docu­ provision .in the Constitution that ment is liable to be rejected by the there should be no discrimination, Sub-Registrar because it does not still we find in hotels, hostels and so comply with a certain formality. on, there are caste distinctions and Therefore, the first is necessary but name-plates. the second is to penalise. As my friend, Shri Dabhi also said, 1 do not Slui PatMkar: We have passed Uie think it necessary. What we object Untouchability Offences Bill for that to is that a man should be made com­ purpose. All that offence has been pulsorily to mention caste in any do­ made cognisable now. That point, I cument. think, need not agitate us now, at any rate, so far as this Bill is concerned. My point is that so far as this parti* I am sure that though the BilMs nUlBf Act \$ concerned, it is Incong* a small one it will go a long way in ruous that there should be a provi­ giving an indication of our mind that sion that a man must compulsorily we are firmly resolved to see that mention his caste in documents, and casteism finds no place in our social it should be removed. That is why system and it is from that point of we accept that amendment. view that I am prepared to accept it. It may be passed without any further Then there is a further clause, clausa delay. 3, which says: *lf any decimnent duly present­ As regards the question posed by ed for registration mentions the some people, I would say that it is caste of the persons described wrong to suppose that Government therein, the registering officer does not want that any Private Mem­ shall refuse to register the docu­ ber's Bill should be passed at all. ment, unless the person executing There was a Bill introduced by Shri the document removes therefrom Kazmi in 1954 which was passed. all references to caste mentioned Whenever it is possible. Government therein” . is prepared to accept a Bill whether it comes from a Private Member or Now, I do not accept this. In vil­ from Government. The difficulty in lages, as we know, suppose there is a the case of Private Members is thif. confusion between a caste and a sur­ So far as the Government is con­ name, If an ignorant or illiterate cerned, they have got the machinery man'has used it, it should" not be open at their disposal and they can think to the Registrar to throw it away out bigger problems. At the same ^ simply because he interprets that time, we welcome as much any efforts cast^ has been mentioned. That is made by any private Member to in- 2g6g Indian Registration 16 DECXMBEK 1955 (Amendmtnt) B ill 2970 kroduce legislation which is in the in­ Mr. Chairman: Amendment moved: terests of society. Government is al­ In clause 2, omit “ (hereinafter ways willing to accept it. It is in that referred to as the principal Act)**. spirit that I accept this clause 2—this Bill with deletion of clause 3 and Shri Sinhasan Singh: Before yo** with suitable modifications in clause 2. put it to the vote of the House___ I think this Bill should be passed by the House today. It will go a long Mr. Chairman: I am not putting it way in improving the statute in a par­ to the vote. I am placing before the ticular manner from the point of view House the amendment of the hon. of public interest. Minister.

Shii Raghavachari (Penukonda); I Shri Sinhasan Singh: The amend­ want to ask some questions. ment proposed in clause 2 is that the Mr. Chairman: There is the third words *his caste (if any) and’ shall be omitted, from the original section 3 reading. This section reads; Shrl Raghavachari: The hon. Min­ ister spoke about clause 3. I want to “ 'Addition means the place say that my attitude is the same as of residence, and the profession, the hon. Minister but I want to point trade, rank and title (if any) of out some additional difficulty in the a person described, and in the way of accepting clause 3. * case of an Indian his caste (if any) and his father** name ---- ** Mr. Chairman: That is being omit­ ted. By this clause we are only remov­ 8hri Raghavachari: Then/ I have ing *the caste (}f any)* «and we arc no objection. I only wanted to point maintaining *in the case of an Indian*. out this. It is stated that: What I want to point out is that when this Registration Act was passed there . ‘*If any document duly present­ was a difference between Indians and ed for registration mentions the non-Indians. We are all Indians now caste of the persons described and the Indian Citizenship Bill has therein,----- been passed. So, why have this dis­ it must be refused. tinction so far as the Registration Act 18 concerned? We should remove the Mr. Chairman: That is being whole thing after the word ‘described’, removed. that is, *and in the case of an Indian Shri Ragliavachari: Then, I have his caste (if any) and’. The very idea no objection. of distinction should have no place in Mr. Chairman: The question is: the Act. So, I wanted to suggest to '*That the Bill further to amend the hon. Minister that the other words the Indian Registration Act, 1908, after 'described’ should also be omit­ pe taken into consideration." ted. If we accept this suggestion, the whole thing will be clear. It will The motion was adopted. read—'means the place of residence* Claiue 2— (Amendment of Section 2, and the profession, trade, rank and Act XVI o1 1908). title’ etc. The whole feeling of Indian Shri Pataskar: The words within and non-Indian should go away. brackets “ (hereinafter referred to as the principal Act)** are unnecessary in Shrl Pataskar: So far as this Bill clause 2. So I will move an amend­ is concerned, it may refer to Indians ment to delete those words. and non-Indians because there ma> be a document which may be execut­ I beg to move: ed in favour of a person who is a non- In clause 2, omit ‘^hereinafter fndian. Therefore, we need not crefle referred to as the principal Act)**. more complications here. 2971 Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 2972

Shii Slnhamn Bingh: There is Mr. Chairman: Nobody has object- another thing. In the case of a non- ed to that. Indian why should there not be the father’s name? Why make this dis­ Shri Raghavacharl: We should tinction in the case of an Indian? address all our arguments to the Member in charge of this Bill and not 8hrl Pataskar; The hon. Member is to the hon. Minister. oiAy trying theoretically to suggest something. At any rate, I am not Dr. Soresh Chandra: But he is aware as to how non-Indians describe helping the Member. themselves. But, I am, not worried about it. I wanted to say that so far Shri Raghavacharl: So far as the as an Indian is concerned, his father's suggestion made by my hon. friend name and in the case where it is des­ that the phrase **in the case of an cribed as the son of sT) and so—tlie Indian” should be omitted is ccm- mother—the mother’s name should be cemed, it will certainly make a better there because there are places where piece of legislation in the interests of they are so described. In the case of the country’s honour. Otherwise it foreigners, the place of residence, pro­ looks as if there is something of a fession, rank and trade etc. would be difference between an Indian and a enough for our purposes. I thought non-Indian in this respect. If the this is a small matter and we need phrase **in the case of an Indian” is not recast the whole thing. taken away along with the other phrase, it will certainly add and will 8hrl Raghavaiah: My hon. friend, not take away any effect from the who spoke before me, said that three Bill that the gentleman in charge of lines may Jje removed, trade, profes­ it has proposed. Therefore, I would sion etc. I agree with the deletion of make a request to the gentleman in these three lines but I would add that charge of the Bill that the omission of the father's name should also be the phrase “in the case of an Indian” included after the words, 'profession, will make better reading and also trade, rank and title (if any)*. Why make it a very good piece of legisla­ should we make a distinction between tion. It will be really very desirable an Indian and a non-Indian? Why that we remove the difference between ahould we say that the father’s name the requirements of an Indian and should be there in the case of an those of a non-Indian. I request Shri Indian and not so in the case of a non- Samanta to agree to drdp that portion Indian? Take the case of two persons also. having the same trade, profession etc. and the same name. A the son of B Shri Mnlchand Dube (Farrukhabad and A the son of C. If there is not Distt-North); I agree with my hon. the father’s name there will be con­ friend who has just spoken. The fusion. In order to avoid such a kind section was enacted in 1887 and since of confusion, I do not understand why then many of the Indians who called the addition of the father’s name themselves educated and had received along with the other three terms be English education have begun to add not made in the previous line. This a surname after their names; in fact, distinction between Indian and no»- the son of Shri Pataskar will be Indian should go. . Pataskar just as the son of Edward is also Edward. There is not much Mr. Chairman: The point about difference and there Is no point why Indian and non-Indian has been ex- the father's name should be added in plamed already. Does he want that the case of an Indian and the father*s the father’s name should be there? name should be omitted in the case of a non-Indian. My submission » bnri RaghayaialK It should ba that it you remove me xatners naiiM even from the description of *Indian’^ 2973 Indian RegUtration 16 DECEMBER 1956 (Amendment) Bill 2974 it will not cause much difference CUnse 3— (Insertion of new aeetion because there are a large number of 19A, Act XVI of 1908). people who have added a surname after their name and their sons are Mr. Chairman: The question is: also called after the same name. “That clause 3 stand part of the Mr. Chairman: Is it your proposi­ Bill.” tion that the father’s name should be omitted? The motion was negatived. Mr. Mulchand Dube: Yes. Mr. Chairman: So, clause 3 is omit* Mr. Chairman: Nobody has sug­ ted from the BUI. gested that. The only thing propoMd is that in addition to the words in The question is: the parenthesis the words “in the case of an Indian*’ should also be *That clause 1, the Enacting omitted because there should be no Formula and the^Title stand part invidious distinction between an pf the Bill.” Indian and a non-Indian. The hon. Minister, I understand, has not given The motion was adopted. much thought to that point. Clause 1, the Enacting Formula ana Shri Pataskar: There is no question the Title were added to the Bill of any invidious distinction. We are proud of being Indians, and there is Shri S. C. Samanta: I beg to move: nothing invidious about it. *That the Bill, as amended, be In the next place, if the object of passed.** the Bill is to remove the anomaly, I accept it. But if you go on amending Mr. Chairman: Motion moved: the whole section for the purpose of proper wording or whether the ‘That the Bill as amended be father’s name is not necessary at all, passed.” I think that would be really going out of the way. I do not know what com­ Shri N. B. Chowdhury: Let me say plications will be created in the Act; a few words on the Bill. I have I have not examined the position. already indicated my support to it. Mr. Chairman: Anyhow, he has It has been described by Shri Sharma accepted this Bill for consideration that the caste system is a hydra today in view of certain elimination headed monster, that it has spread iu that has been proposed. Let us take tentacles in all walks of life, in it as it is, and especially as there is no administration, services, etc., that it such amendment before me which is has corrupted our social life and is a acceptable to the Government, let me hinderance to our progress. So every- ^ put clause 2, with the omission of the thing to which this stigma attaches words in the parenthesis “hereinafter should be given the go-by. Now I referred to as the principal Act” . would like to make only one observa­ tion. It is very good that we have The question is: removed the provision to mention the “In clause 2, omit “ (hereinafter name of caste. At the same time, referred to as the principal Act)” . when we have heard so much about The motion was adopted. untouchability and the removal at any slur that is still conlinuing on Mr. Chairman: The question is: certain classes of people, we must on 'That clause 2, as amended, this occasion strongly emphasise the stand part of the Bill.** fact that merely a measure of this The motion was adopted. type will not carry us far, and if we Clause 2, as amended, was added to really want to abolish untouchability the Bill altogether---- 1975 Registration 16 DECEMBER 1955 (Amendment) Bill 2976

Mr Chalmuui: You are just repeat­ have taken actually here. How many ing what you have already said on hon. Members, how many Hindus, if the Bill. they do not mistake me, are practising it in their daily lives. (Interruptions.) Shrl N. B. Chowdhury: I only want My friend Shri Raghavaiah said some­ to add that Government should see thing. He is a communist but he that other measures are also brought belongs to a superior class. He comes forward for the proper rehabilitation to the platform and says that he is a of those people who are still suffering communist. He is a caste Hindu. If in the hands of those who have a ne comes to my constituency, I know dominating voice in the society, and he cannot get even one vote. only in that way we can build up a society where there will be rapid pro­ Mr. Chairman: Personal references gress, and nobody would have any should be avoided. grievance of soc^l injustices. Shri N. Rachiah: He referred to Shri N. Rachiah: I do not know me. whether the hon. Minister has accept­ Shri Ragliavaiah: I never referrtd ed that casteis mshould go, but 1 cer­ to him. tainly welcome the principle of the Bill. What I was arguing with the Mr. Cliainiuui: Nobody referred to Minister was that we have got in our him individually. It ffhould be the society not only four castes but many practice of this House not to reier xo castes. In our daily life, a brahmin any other Member disparagingly. He practises as a brahmin and feels for ought to maintain that. A general a brahmin and similarly a sudra feels statement is another thing. for a sudra. The Shastras say that there are four castes, but there are Shri N. Racliiah: I think you i>er- many more castes in actuality. Unless haps did not hear it; he referred to we try to remove such feelings and me. That is why I gave a reply. such writings, casteism will not be removed. Simply because we pass In every town and village, there are this will and remove this word here. hotels and places of public resort It will not remove casteism. Even where it is written ‘For Brahmins now the hon. Minister, Shri Pataskar, only*; ‘For Ldngayats only*. *for cer­ was saying that he was proud of tain others only*, etc. . Such boards being an Indian. I am more proud of should be removed. We are already being an Indian. Still what is it that in the ninth year of our Independence we are practising? There are four and Gk>vernment has not taken any castes—there is the advanced caste steps in this direction. I think that like the Brahmins and the two other the hon. Minister will take immediate castes. Finally, there is the Shudra action to see that such boards and caste. According to the removal ot exhibitions and demonstrations are casteism, either all should become removed in the best interests of the Brahmins or Shudras. That is the country. There must be honest efforts interpretation. When that feeling is on the part of everybody to remove not there, if we simply remove this this morally and psychologically also. by way of legislation in the documents That is what I want. I support this or in the statute-book, I do not think Bill. it is something much useful. Every man, if he belongs to this or that Shri Pataskar: This is a Bill which caste, high or low, small or big, rich Is very important in one way. I am or poor, should make a determination: very glad that our friend. Shri •’I shall be impartial and honest and Samanta, hak been able to remove I shall not discriminate.**, then it is from the statute-book something something. That is the oath that we which was certainly very wrong. 2977 Indian Registration 16 DECEMBER 19d5 Motor Vehicles 297^ (Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill As regards my friend. Shri Rachiah. I can very well realise the feelings of Shri S. C. Samaata: I am/thankful those who, on account of this caste to the House and the Government; system, had been subjected to intole­ they have been kind enough to accept rable positions for centuries past. 1 this important amendment and I hope think we must bear a little with our in future Government will bring a friends like Shri Rachiah. I am not comprehensive Bill so that this blot at all angry with him. I can only will be removed from the country. assure him that so far as the Gk)vem' We as Members will also try to ment is concerned, they are doing remove this from the society. their best. If anybody takes a view Mr. Chairman: The question is: of the things for the last few years, they have been trying to do their ‘That the Bill, as amended, be utmost to remove this blot on our passed.** system. It has been the cause of inter­ The motion was adopted. minable disputes and factions. In fact I would go to the length of say­ ing that it was probably on accoimi MOTOR VEHICLES (AMENDMENT) of this tendency that we came to lose BILL our independence. Apart from that (SUBSTTTUTION OF SECTION 66 KTC.) Government have abolished it in the Constitution. The other day we passed Shri T. B. Vittal Rao (Khammam); the Untouchability (Offences) Bill. It I beg to m ove:, is not only with respect to imtouch- “That the Bill further to amend ables. Even among the others, there the Motor Vehicles Act, 1939, be are castes and sub-castes. What are taken into consideration.” the remedies? We have to carry pub­ lic opinion with us. You cannot have By this Bill I seek to provide some a legislative enforcement in every statutory provisions for regulating house. If he dispassionately looks at the service conditions of the workers it, what is the Hindu marriage law? in transport industry. It says that the marriage between any two Hindus, to* whichever caste they Shri Sinhasan Singh (Gorakhpur may belong, is valid. A few years Distt. South): I think Government has back, all these marriages were regard­ already introduced a Bill about this. ed as invalid. We are trying our Shri T. B. Vittal Eao: That relates level best with all the machinery at to a different section. This Bill is for our disposal that this slur on our regulating the service conditions of society vanishes. the transport workers. Sir, while I move this Bill I hav« As I said, the only significant part got the full support of Shri Ra]a Ram of this Bill is that it is a pointer to Shastri who is the President of tne the way in which we are proceeding All India Motor Workers* Union. and the way in which we want public 6 P.M. opinion to be educated. Apart from Mr. Chairman: Order, order. It is its effect on the documents, the dis­ six o’clock. The hon. Member may cussion that has taken place in this continue his speech next time. There House with re'spect to this small Bill, will be no Question rfour tomorrow will give an indication to the public and the debate begins at ^even in general the way in which all of us o'clock. are unitedly proceeding to remove this drawback. That is the significance The Lok Sabha then adjourned till of a measure like this and ‘I am very Eleven of the Clock on Saturday, ih9 glad that my friend, Shri Samanta, 11th December, 1955. has brought forward this BilL •979 DAILY DIGEST »9*0

\priday, i6th D§c$mb§r 1955] Columns. MESSAGES FROM RAJYA to the said Committee with SABHA instructions to reconsider Secretary reported the following 2837— 38 its recommendation in messages from Rajya Sabha: respect of the Constitution (1) That at its sitting held on (Amendment) Bill by Shri the 14th December, Kamal Kumar Basu. . 1955 Rajya Sabha had PRIVATE MEMBERS* BILLS agreed without any INTRODUCED 2938— 39 amendment to the Citi­ (0 Arbitration (Amend­ zenship Bill, passed ment) Bill by Shri by Lok Sabha on the Kazmi. . . . 3938 6th December, 1955. (fi) Child Marriage Res­ (w) That at its sitting held traint (Amendment) on the 15 th December, Bill by Shri S. V. L. 1955 Rajya Sabha had Narasimham. 3938— 39 agreed without any amendment to the Cons­ (ill) Hindu Marriage titution *(Fifth Amend­ (^endm ent) Bill by ment) Bill, passed by Shri S.V.L. Narasim­ Lok Sabha on the 13th ham; and 2939 December, 1955. • (iv) Insurance (Amendment) PAPER LAID ON THE TABLE 2838 BUI by Shri S.V.L. A copy of statement on action Narasimham . . 2939 taken or proposed to be taken PRIVATE MEMBER’S BILL by Government of India on N E G A T IV E D 2940—45 the recommendation adopted Workmen’s Compensation by the I.L.O. Conference (Amendment) Bill by Shri- at its Thirty-Seventh Session mati Renu Ghakravartty was held in June, 1954. further considered. Motion COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE to consider was negatived . OF MEMBERS FROM SIT­ PRIVATE MEMBER’S BILL TINGS OF THE HOUSE. 2838 PASSED 2945~~*78 Twelfth Report was presented. Motion to consider the Indian M O TIO N RE, REPO RT OF Registration (Amendment) STATES REORGANISA­ Bill was moved by Shri S.C. TION COMMISSION 2838—2922 Samanu. The motidh was Discussion on motion to con­ discussed and adopted. sider the Report of the States Clause 2 was adopted as Reoi^anisation Commission amended. Oause 3 was continued. The discussion was omitted. The Bill was notconduded. . . . passed as amended . . COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE PRIVATE MEMBER’S BILL MEMBERS' BILLS AND UNDER CONSIDERATION 2978 RESOLUTIONS 2923— 38 . Motion to consider the Motor Vehicles (Amendment Bill Forty-second report was adop­ was moved by Shri T. B. ted subject to the modifica­ Vittal Rao and his speech was tion that it be referred back not concluded . . .

♦The Short Title of the Constitution (Eighth Amendment) BiB, 1955 was changed by the Speaker under Rule 130 of the Rules of Procedure to read as “ the Constitution (Fifth Amendment) Bill, 1955 before iu transmission to Rajya Sabha.