WSIRN Episode 193: Rolling the Dice on Your Next Read Hosted by Anne Bogel, with Guest Keren Form
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WSIRN Episode 193: Rolling the dice on your next read Hosted by Anne Bogel, with guest Keren Form [00:00:00] KEREN: I spent a long time as a kid thinking the name "Penelope" was "Peena-lope" so, yeah. [BOTH LAUGH] [CHEERFUL INTRO MUSIC] ANNE: Hey, readers. I’m Anne Bogel, and this is What Should I Read Next? Episode 193. Welcome to the show that’s dedicated to answering the question that plagues every reader: What should I read next? We don’t get bossy on this show: What we WILL do here is give you the information you need to choose your next read. Every week we’ll talk all things books and reading and do a little literary matchmaking with one guest. Readers, before we get into today’s guest and the books she’s looking for, I have an answer to a question I’ve been hearing a lot in the past year. In fact, one time I heard it was right here on What Should I Read Next in episode 175 with Michelle Wilson. That episode is called “your library called and they want their books back.” But I’ve also heard it in blog comments and even in real life. Readers are looking for books about women who aren’t in their 20s and 30s. But they don’t want quirky old ladies or magical grandmothers. Michelle and plenty of other readers want older protagonists who are real and relatable, whose fictional lives are similar to their own. Michelle and I discussed promising titles, of course, but since this topic keeps coming up I also wrote a blog post dedicated to stories that put older female protagonists front and center. You can find this list on my blog, Modern Mrs Darcy, in a post called 20 Books Featuring Seasoned Female Protagonists. You can find it via Google or simply visit modernmrsdarcy.com/seasoned to read all about it and load up to your TBR. Today’s guest is Keren Form, self-professed mega nerd who loves everything from Lord of the Rings, and board games, and epic science fiction. We’re having a great discussion today about what it really means to be a nerd, and how her wholehearted enthusiasm has sent her on many life-enriching adventures. Even if you hear “science fiction” or “fantasy” and think “nope, not for me,” I think you’ll find something to love in this episode — my recommendations could just as easily be recommendations of a history lover, or a crime drama fanatic, or a romance-loving YA fan. Listeners, you should know that there is a brief mention of death by suicide in this episode. If that will be upsetting or triggering for you, please take care of yourself and skip ahead about [3 minutes] in the audio when I begin my 2nd book recommendation for Keren. Let’s get to it. Keren, welcome to the show. [00:02:23] KEREN: Oh, thank you so much for having me. I am super excited. ANNE: We were so excited to get your submission for our form at whatshouldireadnextpodcast.com/guest. And our producer, Brenna, was the first one who saw it and she said, Anne, I'm really excited about this one. I think you'd have a great conversation with Keren, but I have no idea how to summarize her reading life succinctly for you. So I thought you'd get a quick out of that. KEREN: [LAUGHS] It is kinda weird, I guess. But I had a really good nerdy conversation with Brenna on the phone, so that was super fun. ANNE: Well, tell us a little bit about yourself. KEREN: I am a hosiery designer, so I design socks and slippers. I live in New York City, in Queens with my husband and my cat. I'm a self-professed nerd of all sorts. I love sci-fi and fantasy. I play board games. I used to run a nerd bar trivia for almost ten years until writing 40 questions a month got to be too much and we had to stop. [ANNE LAUGHS] That's me in a nutshell. ANNE: Keren, how does one become a hosiery designer? And does this have anything to do with the sock explosion that has happened in all the stores I like to patronize these days? KEREN: Well, I became a hosiery designer through a really circuitous route. I actually went to school and majored in psychology. And it just so happened that my first job, I got through a relative as an office assistant in a lingerie design company, where I sorta learned the backend of fashion production. And then kinda fudged my way into a design job doing kids' pajamas and men's boxer shorts and learned how to do graphic design on the computer and have just designed multiple categories of apparel for years, and now I'm on hosiery for the past, like, I don't know, since 2004? Not the usual route of going to fashion school. [LAUGHS] And then getting a job. [00:04:17] ANNE: What would I be surprised to know about your industry? KEREN: The fashion industry is not glamorous like everybody sorta makes it out to be. It's not a bad job. I actually really love what I do, but you watch all these high fashion things where everybody's all, oh, I want to be a fashion designer and make my own line and do everything I want. But it's a lot of hard work. There's a lot of backend design work. There's working with all the people in the middle, with buyers and your sales people and even just people above you on the chain having their opinions thrown in the mix. And you're making designs for a particular customer; you're not necessarily designing for yourself, so understanding other people and other people's shopping needs and likes and trends patterns is super-duper important. It's not all high-end fun. ANNE: Are you a fashion designer by day and nerd by night? Or is there more seamlessness ... Oh, how do you like that sewing pun? [KEREN LAUGHS] To what you do? KEREN: For years actually up until this present job, I was actually mostly a licensed designer, so I would work with licensed products. And I've designed for Marvel and DC and Harry Potter. ANNE: How did you feel when those projects came through? KEREN: It's super fun. The only issue that is whenever you're in an office and everybody knows you're the nerd, everybody's like well, go ask Keren if this is okay. No, maybe we should have Keren do it because [ANNE LAUGHS] you know, she really knows Star Wars much better than everybody else. Which is all good and well, but my taste as a fan isn't necessarily the taste of, you know, Joe Smith in the middle of the country. We're two very different people. ANNE: Now, Keren, you told us there's actually a version of What Should I Read Next that we could play with you, but you would be the expert here, and that is What Board Game Should I Play Next. KEREN: [LAUGHS] Yeah. ANNE: Tell me a little bit about that interest and how that began, and I have to tell you that what I have in mind is we went to Scotland last winter with friends who love board games, and they had ordered board games just for the trip. Will and I got to play all of these new ones, and I just, you don't know what you don't know, and I didn't know there were board game groups and board game stores and board game nights and board game message boards and tell us a little bit about that world and your place in it. [00:06:22] KEREN: I enjoyed board games as a kid, but you know, sorta the board games we all played. Monopoly, Scrabble, etc. And then I sorta fell off for years and being a nerd, I knew there was a board game thing happening, but just really wasn't paying attention and then when my husband moved into my apartment before we were married, he brought with him his 20 board games and we just sorta started playing with the two of us and then with other friends and I got super into them because board games are a lot of fun. We now own around 300 board games, which is- ANNE: Oh, my gosh. KEREN: It's ridiculous. And no, I don't have enough time to play all of them. [BOTH LAUGH] When I hear readers on your podcast all the time and I know you do too, oh, you’re like, oh, I travel and I go to a bookstore wherever we're traveling. We do the same thing for board game stores. Especially traveling overseas, we are Euro-gamers, which it's a particular type of game. I believe they originally started in Germany and they tend to be more like, social, less confrontational games with themes like building castles or making dresses or going on a trip in Iriomote, Japan and buying souvenirs. So whenever I actually have to go to Europe for work or when we travel ourselves, we just search for board game stores where sometimes you can play them and sometimes you can buy them and it's fantastic. ANNE: Are these difficult to find or are they abundant if you are actually looking for them? KEREN: Nowadays they're more abundant here, even I believe Target carries a lot of the more popular ones like Settlers of Catan or Ticket to Ride, and it's much easier now with the Internet.