Submariners Association (Derbyshire)

Branch Newsletter Issue Number 133 NOVEMBER 2010

Freedom of the City of Derby to RN Submarine Service Granted 28 April 2002

LIST OF CONTENTS EDITORIAL

Page 1 CONTENT & EDITORIAL AB ST Tom Smith C/JX 542849 It was with sad regret that on Page 2 BRANCH DIARY 2010 6 October 2010 we heard of the death of Tom Smith aged 85. Page 3/4 UN PC PAGE HUMOUR Tom was a WWII submariner serving in Submarines from 1943-1946 in Oberon, P46 Page 5 SA & WELFARE NEWS and Unruffled. He had also served at Ganges, Pembroke (Chatham), Dolphin, Elfin Page 6 POPPY APPEAL & MICROWAVES and Cyclops in Blyth. Tom was admitted to the new Derby Royal DEFENCE CUTS, TRIDENT DELAY, Page 7 Hospital last week with a heart attack Holland V theft from wreck and I spoke to him at the hospital up until the day before he died. They had Page 8 CUCUMBERS & SENSE OF HUMOUR stabilised his heart and blood pressure, and he was in high spirits, Page DIESEL SUBMARINES 1948-1958 despite missing our Branch 30th 9/10 Part One of Six Anniversary Party. He advised me on the phone, they were keeping him in a while longer to try and sort a Page 11 I AIN‟T NO HERO (But I did my bit) previous balance and leg problem out. It was a terrible An Understatement By An „ilson Lad 4/4 shock to hear that he had passed away. Tom was an ardent supporter of branch activities, and will be sorely HMS/M VANGUARD VISIT DERBY Page 12 missed by all in the Derbyshire branch especially at Coffee Morning meetings, and luncheon clubs. Our branch deepest condolences go to his son Dave in West Hallam, and his Page HMS/M VANGUARD VISIT DERBY th two sisters in Portugal & Aussie & Vida. Resurgam. 13-14 30 Anniversary/Traf/NMA & Home The Funeral was held on Tuesday 19 October at Markeaton. Continued on Page 2 Page 15 TS KENYA PRESENTATION NIGHT HMS Tireless & Astute News IN REMEMBRANCE

SUBMARINES LOST IN NOVEMBER Page 16 BRANCH BITS AND BOBS SUBMARINE DATE SUBMARINE DATE

D5 03/11/14 M1 12/11/25 Page 17 BRANCH OCT MEET MINUTES D2 25/11/14 Swordfish 07/11/40

E20 06/11/15 Regulus 26/11/40 Page Nov Lunch Club The Punchbowl E30 22/11/16 X3 06/11/42 18-19 Christmas Lunch Application Form E37 30/11/16 Unbeaten 11/11/42 K1 18/11/17 Utmost 25/11/42 E36 19/11/17 Simoon 19/11/43 Guide Dog Puppy „Derby‟ Born 22 March 2009 G7 01/11/18 Stratagem 22/11/44

BIRTHDAY BOYS 2010 G11 22/11/18 POSITIVE THOUGHT LEST WE FORGET - RESURGAM FOR THE MONTH 04 Nov Ron Slater

04 Nov Stan Smart Remember, Derbyshire Branch 30th Anniversary & Traf Dinner 09 Nov Colin Watson Growing old is See report on pages 12-14, & 16; what a cracking weekend something you get to 12 Nov Jenny Williamson

do if you are lucky Terry Hall, Derbyshire Newsletter Editor Groucho Marx 16 Dec Roy Thurston 20 Dec John Arthur Hon Secretary, Submariners Assn (Derbyshire)

1 DERBYSHIRE BRANCH DIARY SA DERBYSHIRE LUNCHEON CLUB At the September Luncheon Club at the Newdigate in West Hallam we as normal had excellent food and service. We were very concerned that one couple didn‟t 2010 show and were unable to contact them either at home or on the mobile. However, all was well when we found out they were safe and well and were waiting for us to turn up at the October venue of The Park at Chaddesden a month early!!! Thus this month is The Park at Chaddesden and November is the popular Punch Bowl Carvery at West Hallam with superb view of the wonderful West Hallam WWI Machine Gunner War Memorial and the recent addition of the local WWI Mapperley Coal Mine War Memorial. Please phone Ron Slater and let him know if you intend to attend.

WRNS Derbyshire Coffee Morning, Derby

Can you help this fledgling branch in any way 2011 29 Oct and assist with coffee, door keeper etc? 15 January HMS/M Truculent Service, Chatham

Contact Nobby or John Sayers 21-23 January KI13 Memorial Weekend Faslane

12 March Ton Class Meeting Saturday I intend travelling to Portsmouth for this event over the weekend 11-14 March 2011. If anyone would like to share travelling cost with me, and have a weekend in Pompey the same weekend, please let me know.

19-21March SA National AGM Weekend Imperial SA Branch Meeting „Winter Routine Lunch Meet‟ 04 Nov Hotel, Blackpool Jubilee Club Chaddesden. 12:15 Start Joint Weekend of AGM & Full Members only

07 Nov SA Embankment Rem Service, London 6 August Dieso Boat Reunion Saturday

11 Nov Armistice Day (Thurs) Soldiers Corner Svc My car is already fully booked. Anyone else interested let me know whether you want to do a two night 12 Nov Schools Remembrance Svc, Chaddesden TBC stopover or three. If you want to fill your car or just book

and make your own way please let me know. 14 Nov Remembrance Sunday

24 Nov SA Luncheon Club. The Punchbowl West Hallam 16 September Submariners Association Mixed

Reunion Weekend at Adelphi Hotel Liverpool

AB ST Tom Smith C/JX 542849 Tom‟s „last patrol‟ was from Markeaton Crematorium where the cortege was met by seven Ex Association Standards, 14 Branch Members; which is over half our SA Branch Meeting „Winter Routine Lunch Meet‟ number, and many other ex Servicemen and friends 02 Dec Jubilee Club, Chaddesden 12:15 Start who had attended to salute a true Gentle - man and WWII submariner, friend or neighbour. The Standards Branch Christmas Lunch Oak & Acorn dipped in salute to a „shipmate‟, and thence all ex Application Forms sent on line and hard copies 08 Dec Service lined the entrance at least three deep whilst with this newsletter. Note closing date please. Tom was piped over the side to enter the chapel. The principle Standards,

Winter Routine Meetings Submariners, RNA and Ganges lined The branch elected to hold the November to February up facing the coffin with Tom Smith BEM RNA as Standards Marshall, and meetings similar to last year. This entailed a meeting at me as Parade Marshall. The other 12:15hrs at the Jubilee Club on Morley Road at Standards stood down the side of the Chaddesden; Permission has now been granted and Chapel in a very smart line. The the branch is grateful to the Club for granting this service was undertaken by the Rev Simon White who privilege to hold our winter meetings. is the Stanley, as well as West Hallam Vicar where the family reside. The Naval Hymn was sung, and a very Maritime Club Portsmouth SA Ref 2075 poignant poem from Tom‟s granddaughter in Australia. 75-80 Queen St, Portsmouth, PO1 3HS At the Committal I piped the Still, and the principle Standards dipped until the carry on. We then departed Telephone: 023 92824231 the Chapel to the Royal Marine Band playing „A Life on the Ocean Wave and Standards were then lined up to bid family and mourners farewell. A collection was Please Note the Maritime Hotel (Ex Royal Fleet Club taken for SA to provide a fitting Memorial to Tom in his Devonport closed its doors for the last time early June memory, & the total collected and the form of this 2010 without notice. Unless you are a Scientologist it memorial (trophy) will be advised when known. We will not be accepting bookings again. thence went to the White Hart at West Hallam for a drink or two, and a superb buffet. 2 THE UN-PC PAGES ESSEX HURRICANE APPEAL A major hurricane (Hurricane Shazza) and earthquake THE LIFT measuring 5.8 on the Richter Scale hit Essex in the A fifteen year old Amish boy and his father were in a early hours of Sunday with its epicentre in Basildon. shopping mall. They were amazed by almost everything Victims were seen wandering around aimlessly, they saw, but especially by two shiny, silver walls that muttering "Faaackinell". The hurricane decimated the could move apart and then slide back together again. area causing approximately £30 worth of damage. The boy asked, 'What is this Father?' The father (never Several priceless collections of mementos from Majorca having seen a lift) responded, 'Son, I have never seen and the Costa Del Sol were damaged beyond repair. anything like this in my life, I don't know what it is.' Three areas of historic burnt out cars were disturbed. While the boy and his father were watching with Many locals were woken well before their giros arrived. amazement, a very fat old lady on a mobility scooter Essex FM reported that hundreds of residents were moved up to the moving walls and pressed a button. confused and bewildered and were still trying to come to The walls opened, and the lady drove in between them terms with the fact that something interesting had into a small room. The walls closed, and the boy and happened in Basildon. One resident, Tracy Sharon his father watched the small numbers above the walls Smith, a 15-year-old mother of 5 said, "It was such a light up sequentially. They continued to watch until it shock, my little Chardonnay-Mercedes came running reached the last number, and then the numbers began into my bedroom crying. My youngest two, Tyler- to light in the reverse order. Finally the walls opened up Morgan and Victoria-Storm slept through it all. I was still again and a gorgeous 24-year-old blonde stepped out. shaking when I was skinning up and watching Trisha The father, not taking his eyes off the young woman, the next morning." Apparently looting, muggings and said quietly to his son. 'Go get your Mother.' car crime were unaffected and carried on as normal. The British Red Cross has so far managed to ship 4,000 crates of Sunny Delight to the area to help the stricken YOU MAY NOT OF KNOWN THIS locals. Rescue workers are still searching through the A group of soldiers and sailors sitting around bragging rubble and have found large quantities of personal about their different services. One of the soldiers said: belongings, including benefit books, jewellery from You know though, that the Army invented sex? They all Elizabeth Duke at Argos and Bone China from pondered this statement, and then the Submariner Poundland. responded he replied: Yes, but the Royal Navy introduced it to women. How You Can Help? This appeal is to raise money for food and clothing parcels for those unfortunate enough to be caught up in this disaster. Clothing is most sought THE CHARITABLE ADMIRAL after - items most needed include: designer or Burberry One afternoon an Admiral was travelling in his Rolls baseball caps, tracksuit tops (his and hers, Shell suits Royce when he saw two men along the roadside eating (female), White sport socks, Rockport boots, any other grass. Disturbed, he ordered his driver to stop and he items usually sold in Primark. Food parcels may be got out to investigate. He asked one man, "Why are harder to come by but are needed all the same. you eating grass?" "We don't have any money for Required foodstuffs include: Microwave meals, Tins of food," the poor man replied. "We have to eat grass." baked beans, Ice cream, Cans of Colt 45 or Special "Well, then, you can come with me to my house and I'll Brew. 22p buys a biro for filling in the compensation feed you," the Admiral said. "But sir, I have a wife and forms, £2 buys chips, crisps and blue fizzy drinks for a two children with me. They are over there, under that family of 9, £5 buys a packet of fags and a lighter to tree." "Bring them along," the Admiral replied. Turning calm the nerves of those affected. to the other poor man he stated, "You come with us, **Breaking news** Rescue workers found a girl in the also." The second man, in a pitiful voice, then said, "But rubble smothered in raspberry alco-pop. "Where are sir, I also have a wife and six children with me!" "Bring you bleeding from?" they asked? "Romford" said the them all, as well," the Admiral answered. They all girl, "woss that gotta do wiv you?" entered the car, which was no easy task, even for a car as large as the Admirals Rolls. Once underway, one of the poor fellows turned to the lawyer and said, "Sir, you THE THREE SISTERS are too kind." "Thank you for taking all of us with you." Three sisters ages 92, 94 and 96 live in a house The Admiral replied, "Glad to do it. "You'll really love together. One night the 96 year old draws a bath. She my place. "My garden is several acres and the grass is puts her foot in and pauses. She yells to the other almost a foot high." sisters, "Was I getting in or out of the bath?" The 94 year old yells back, "I don't know. I'll come up and see." She starts up the stairs and pauses "Was I going up the LOGIC OF CHILDREN stairs or down?" The 92 year old is sitting at the kitchen Little Emily went home from school and told her mum table having tea listening to her sisters. She shakes her that the boys kept asking her to do cartwheels because head and says, "I‟m glad I am not that forgetful, touch she's very good at them. Mum said, "You should say wood” she said knocking on the wooden table. She "No". They only want to look at your knickers." Emily then yells, "I'll come up and help both of you as soon as said, "I know they do. That's why I hide them in my I see who's at the door." bag"! SIGNS on a Plumber's truck: „We repair what your AND MEN… husband fixed‟ and on another Plumber's truck: „Don't There are only two four letter words that are offensive to sleep with a drip. Call your plumber‟. And finally; On a men; 'don't' and 'stop', unless they are used together. Septic Tank Truck: Yesterday's Meals on Wheels 3 INDIAN ECONOMICS ANTICIPATION Indian Chief „Two Eagles‟ was asked by a white US An older, white-haired man walked into a jewellery store Government official, “You have observed the white one Friday evening with a beautiful young girl at his man of 90 years. You‟ve seen his wars and his side. He told the jeweller he was looking for a special technological advances. You‟ve seen his progress, ring for his new girlfriend. The jeweller looked through and the damage he‟s done to the environment.” The his stock and brought out a £5,000 ring. The old man Chief nodded in agreement. The official continued, said, „No, I‟d like to see something more special.‟ At considering all these events, in your opinion, where did that statement, the jeweller went to his special stock and the white man go wrong?” The Chief stared at the brought another ring over. „Here‟s a stunning ring at government official then replied. “When the white man only £40,000 the jeweller said. The young lady‟s eyes find land. Indians running it. No taxes, no debt, plenty sparkled and her whole body trembled with excitement. buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women did all the The old man seeing this said, „We‟ll take it.‟ The work. Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day jeweller asked how payment would be made and the old hunting and fishing; all night having sex.” Then the man stated, „by cheque. I know you need to make sure chief leaned back and smiled, “Only white man dumb my cheque is good, so I‟ll write it now and you can call enough to think he could improve system like that.” the bank Monday to verify the funds and I‟ll pick the ring

up Monday afternoon,‟ he said. Monday morning, the A LESSON IN GRAMMER jeweller phoned the old man. „There‟s no money in your An elderly couple, who were both widowed, had been account.‟ „I know,‟ said the old man, „But let me tell you about my weekend!‟ going out with each other for a long time. Urged on by their friends, they decided it was finally time to get married. Before the wedding, they went out to dinner SCOTCH WITH TWO DROPS OF WATER and had a long conversation regarding how their A lady goes to the bar on a cruise ship and orders a marriage might work. They discussed finances, living whiskey with two drops of water. As the barman gives arrangements and so on. Finally, the old gentleman her the drink she says, 'I'm on this cruise to celebrate decided it was time to broach the subject of their my 85th birthday and it's today. The barman says, physical relationship. 'How do you feel about sex?' he 'Well, since it's your birthday, I'll buy you a drink. As asked, rather tentatively. 'I would like it infrequently' the woman finishes her drink, the woman to her right she replied. The old gentleman sat quietly for a says, 'I would like to buy you a drink, too.' The old moment, adjusted his glasses, leaned over towards woman says, 'Thank you, I would like a whiskey with her and whispered - 'Is that one word or two?' two drops of water.' 'Coming up,' says the barman. As she finishes that drink, the man to her left says, 'I would like to buy you one, too.' The old woman says, FACTS OF LIFE IN THE COMPUTER AGE. 'Thank you. Barman, I want another whiskey with two A little boy goes to his father and asks 'Daddy, how drops of water.' 'Coming right up,' the barman says. was I born? The father answers, 'Well, son, I guess As he gives her the drink, he says, 'Ma'am, I'm dying of one day you will need to find out anyway! Your mum curiosity. Why the whiskey with only two drops of and I first got together in a chat room on Yahoo. Then water?' The old woman replies, 'Son, when you're my I set up a date via e-mail with your mum and we met at age, you've learned how to hold your spirits. Holding a cyber-cafe. We sneaked into a secluded room, and your water, however, is a whole different issue.' googled each other. There your mother agreed to a download from my hard drive. As soon as I was ready DEEPLY IN LOVE to upload, we discovered that neither one of us had used a firewall, and since it was too late to hit the Paddy is passing by Mick's hay shed one day when delete button, nine months later a little Pop-Up through a gap in the door he sees Mick doing a slow appeared that said: You got Male! and sensual striptease in front of an old red Massey Ferguson. Buttocks clenched, he performs a slow pirouette and gently slides off first the right welly, GETTING OLD followed by the left. He then hunches his shoulders 'OLD' IS WHEN; Your wife says, 'Let's go upstairs and forward and in a classic striptease move lets his make love,' and you answer, 'Pick one; I can't do both!' braces fall down from his shoulders to dangle by his OLD' IS WHEN; Your friends compliment you on your hips over his corduroy trousers. Grabbing both sides new alligator shoes and you're barefoot. of his checked shirt, he rips it apart to reveal his tea 'OLD' IS WHEN; A sexy babe or hunk catches your stained vest underneath and with a final flourish he eye and your „pacemaker‟ opens the garage door hurls his flat cap onto a pile of hay. "What the heck 'OLD' IS WHEN; Going braless pulls all the wrinkles are you doing Mick?" says Paddy. "Jeez Paddy, ye out of your face. frightened the living bejasus out of me", says an 'OLD' IS WHEN; You don't care where your spouse obviously embarrassed Mick, "but me and the missus goes, just as long as you don't have to go along. been having some trouble lately in the bedroom 'OLD' IS WHEN; You are cautioned to slow down by department, and the therapist suggested I do the doctor instead of by the police. something sexy to a tractor". 'OLD' IS WHEN; 'Getting lucky' means you find your car in the car park. MY GRANDSON 'OLD' IS WHEN; An 'all nighter' means not getting up My small grandson got lost at Tesco so he approached to go to the toilet. a uniformed security guard and said, "I've lost my AND 'OLD' IS WHEN; You are not sure these are granddad. "The guard asked, "What's he like?" The jokes? little tyke hesitated for a moment and then replied,

Pusser‟s Rum & anyone with a lumpy jumper. I'm so lazy I've got a smoke alarm with a snooze button 4 WELFARE NEWS GUIDE: PUBLIC SECTOR PENSION SCHEMES

The MOD Medal Office has moved. their new address 6 October 2010 Ministry of Defence is, MOD Medal Office, G36, Innsworth House, Imjin The scheme is the fifth largest in the UK's public sector Barracks, Gloucester, GL3 1HW Which employees does the scheme cover? All members of the armed forces. Support across the UK. How many sections are there? There are two main The SPVA Veterans Welfare Service has now pension schemes for members of the regular armed completed the roll-out of the five new Welfare Centres, forces. The first, known as AFPS 75, started in April providing advice and support across the UK. The 1975 and closed to new joiners on 6 April 2005. The contact details for each office are: new one, called Armed Forces Pension Scheme 2005 (or AFPS 05), was brought in for new joiners in April 05. Norcross (based near Blackpool) Tel 01253 333494 How many active deferred and retired members are Email [email protected] there? There are 198,000 active members, 406,000

Kidderminster (based Worcester) Tel 01562 825527 deferred members, and 399,000 pensioners or their Email SPVAVWSKidderminster@ mod.uk dependents receiving a pension. What are the principal benefits? AFPS 75 is non- Centurion (based in Gosport) Tel 02392 702232 contributory and the full pension can be taken at age 55. Email [email protected] The fund finances a compensation scheme for death and injury in service as well as a pension. It is a final- Imjin (based in Gloucester) Tel 01452 510825 salary scheme with the maximum pension, and tax-free Email [email protected] lump sum of three times annual pension, available after Glasgow Tel 0141 2242709 34 years as an officer and 37 years (other ranks). This Email [email protected] will give a pension worth 48.5% of what is called "representative pay" plus the lump sum. AFPS 05 is If you are supporting a veteran and need further advice, also non-contributory and can be taken at 55. After 35 it might be worth contacting our Welfare Service to see years of service the pension is worth 50% of final if we can help too. To locate your nearest Veterans pensionable pay. There is also a tax-free lump sum of Welfare Centre call our freephone helpline 0800 169 three times annual pension. The pension accrues at a 2277. rate of 1/70th each year, for up to 40 years. There is also an early pension scheme, known as the early departure payments (EDP) scheme, which pays a lower DEFENCE MEDAL level of pension and a lump sum. It applies to those Email to SA Membership Sec. with at least 18 years service who are aged 40 or over. Hi Tex, Just a note to let the Association know that the The pension fund also pays for the Armed Forces Lib/Dems have voted in favour of the National Defence Compensation Scheme, which makes lump sum Medal for all ex service personnel at their annual payments or continuing inflation proofed, tax-free, conference. Regards, Archie Watt payments for injury, illness or death caused by service.

What percentage of salary do the armed forces pay? HMS/M TRUCULENT MEMORIAL JAN 2011 The MoD pays the equivalent of 37% of officers' salaries The Branch has received a kind invitation from Derek and 21% of salaries for other ranks. Grant the Truculent Organiser and Branch Secretary on What are the funding costs of the scheme? Across behalf of the Medway Towns Branch of the SA, cordially all members, the contribution rate was 27.6% of salaries inviting our members to the forthcoming 61st Memorial in 2009-10, forecast to rise to 29.5% this year and 34% Service of HM Submarine Truculent to be held in the St in the following three years. George‟s Centre Chatham on Saturday 15 January Is the scheme funded or unfunded? Unfunded. It is 2011 at 10:45. The service will be conducted by their paid for out of general taxation, not an underlying Branch Chaplain, the Reverend David Corness RN. On investment fund. completion of the service, a buffet luncheon and the What is the value of the scheme assets, if any, and its liabilities? Members of the schemes do not make obligatory Tot will be provided by the branch, with an opportunity to meet a few ex-submariners and their any contributions from their pay. The liabilities were put families. Standards are invited. RSVP. at £121bn in the scheme's resource accounts for 2009- 2010. What is the average pension in payment? £8,693 as DERBY & DISTRICT EX SVC MEETING of 31 March 2010 including lump sum payments. The unadopted minutes were distributed to all on line Have there been any changes or reforms to the members on receipt. They have been discussed at the scheme in recent years? The introduction of the new October Branch Meeting so following the report in an AFPS 05 in 2005. earlier newsletter I have cancelled and filed. The only Are there any further changes in the pipeline? From bit of the minutes that was changed was the error in April 2011, pensions in payment will increase in line with reporting the Rolls Royce Battle of Britain window had the consumer prices index (CPI), not the retail prices been moved and this was a error. It is the Florence index (RPI).

Nightingale window that has been moved to St Peters Church from DRI and the RR Battle of Britain window is BUSINESS NEWS still in store somewhere at Rolls Royce. Japanese scientists have now created a digital camera with such a fast shutter speed that it's now possible to take a photograph of a woman with her Could it be that 'I do' is the longest sentence? mouth shut.

5 MICROWAVING WATER! MICROWAVING PLASTIC MEAL CONTAINERS

Have you heated a cup of water in your microwave to The question was posed in the Daily Mail in April 2009 make coffee or Tea? This can be a serious risk and of Why don‟t the black plastic dishes used for ready this article explains why. meals melt when microwaved? The answer supplied by Carol Hill-Wood of Loughborough, Leics was that A 26-year old man decided to have a cup of coffee. Microwaves are electro-magnetic waves with He took a cup of water and put it in the microwave to wavelengths ranging from 1mm to 30cm or frequencies heat it up (something that he had done numerous between 0.3Ghz and 300Ghz which, like light waves or times before). I am not sure how long he set the timer radio waves, occupy a part of the electromagnetic for, but he wanted to bring the water to a boil. When spectrum. They have several important practical the timer shut the oven off, he removed the cup from applications such as relaying long distance telephone the oven. As he looked into the cup, he noted that the signals. TV broadcasts and computer information water was not boiling, but suddenly the water in the across the Earth or to a satellite in space. Microwave cup 'blew up' into his face. The cup remained intact ovens contain a magnetron, which generates until he threw it out of his hand, but all the water had microwaves at the right frequency to interact with the flown out into his face due to the build-up of energy. molecules in food, heating it His whole face is blistered and he has 1st and 2nd directly. All wave energy degree burns to his face which may leave scarring. He alternates polarity from positive also may have lost partial sight in his left eye. While at to negative with each cycle of the hospital, the doctor who was attending to him the wave, and in microwaves stated that this is a fairly common occurrence and these polarity changes happen water (alone) should never be heated in a microwave millions of times a second. For oven. If water is heated in this manner, something a microwave to interact with a should be placed in the cup to diffuse the energy such substance the substance, too, must consist of polar as a wooden stir stick, tea bag, etc. (nothing metal). molecules, a good example being water. It‟s the polarity of water which gives it its live giving properties. General Electric's (GEC) Response: Thanks for When microwaves of the right frequency bombard contacting us, I will be happy to assist you. The e-mail food, they cause the polar molecules in the food to that you received is correct. Microwaved water and alternate at that frequency, millions of times a second. other liquids do not always bubble when they reach the This agitation at molecular level creates friction, which boiling point. They can actually get heats up the food. Most forms of glass, plastic or superheated and not bubble at all. paper consist of uncharged molecules which do not The superheated liquid will bubble up interact directly with the microwave so only the food is out of the cup when it is moved or heated. So now you know. when something like a spoon or tea bag is put into it. To prevent this from happening and causing injury, do not heat any NATIONAL LAUNCH OF 2010 POPPY APPEAL liquid for more than two minutes per cup. After 11 October 2010 Source: Royal British Legion heating, let the cup stand in the microwave for thirty What: The national launch of the 2010 Poppy Appeal. seconds! Before moving it or adding anything into it. Who: Chart topping pop sensations, The Saturdays and The Royal British Legion‟s extreme human flight Here is what our local science teacher had to say on display team at a concert and event for the families of the matter: 'Thanks for the microwave warning. I have 16 Air Assault Brigade. WHERE: The Physical seen this happen before. It is caused by a Training and Recreation Centre, Colchester Garrison. phenomenon known as super heating. It can occur When: 1030hrs Thursday 28th October 2010. anytime water is heated and will particularly occur if Why: The 2010 Poppy Appeal the vessel that the water is heated in is new, or when is about helping the „Afghan heating a small amount of water (less than half a cup). generation‟ of the Armed What happens is that the water heats faster than the Forces and their families – vapour bubbles can form. If the cup is very new then it today and for the rest of their is unlikely to have small surface scratches inside it that lives. The national launch of provide a place for the bubbles to form. As the the 2010 Royal British Legion bubbles cannot form and release some of the heat has Poppy Appeal, will take place built up, the liquid does not boil, and the liquid at 1030hrs on Thursday 28th continues to heat up well past its boiling point. What October 2010, with a then usually happens is that the liquid is bumped or spectacular private concert performed by chart jarred, which is just enough of a shock to cause the topping pop sensations, The Saturdays. The concert, bubbles to rapidly form and expel the hot liquid. The exclusively for the families of 16 Air Assault Brigade, rapid formation of bubbles is also why a carbonated currently on operations in Afghanistan, will feature video beverage spews when opened after having been messages from personnel stationed in Afghanistan for shaken.' the families of those watching. The launch will also feature a parachute display from the Legion‟s extreme I would also point out that microwaved hard boiled human flight team, „Jump4Heroes‟, who will land next to eggs can react in the same manner, and they can the site where the first new Personnel Recovery Centre explode and cause burns and injury even after they will be built. The Legion has committed £25 million to have been removed from the oven. Just be aware. the Personnel Recovery Centres. (Poppies will be on sale at the November meeting)

6 DELAY TRIDENT REPLACEMENT? The drastic cuts are being considered because the Thursday, September 16, 2010 Treasury has ordered the MoD budget to be slashed The £20bn replacement of the UK's Trident nuclear by 19%. Losing 12 frigates and destroyers is the price deterrent could be put off until after 2015, according to the Navy will have to pay to keep two new 60,000-ton reports. The BBC said ministers were considering aircraft carriers. The troop landing ships Albion and delaying the planned 2014 date in an effort to reduce Bulwark, which came into service only seven years short-term costs and head off a pre-general election ago, will also be sold off. The Navy currently has 24 political row. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said no destroyer/frigates, four Type 22 and 13 Type 23 decisions had yet been taken on the future of the frigates, five Type 42 and two Type 45 destroyers. At submarine-based missile system, which is currently the the time of the Falklands War in 1982 we boasted 53 subject of a value-for-money review. It has been frigates and 13 destroyers. formally excluded from the ongoing strategic defence and security review (SDSR) but the Treasury has made Cutting the fleet in half again would make ours smaller clear the under-pressure MoD budget will have to pay than those of historical foes France, Germany, Spain for it. An influential committee of MPs yesterday warned and Italy. Even skint Greece boasts more ships and that that decision would have very significant only Portugal, with a population a sixth of Britain's, has consequences for future defence spending. The the same number. Admirals have been put under coalition agreement between the Tories and Lib Dems massive new pressure by Army boss General Sir committed the government to renewing Trident, but David Richards winning the PM round to not sacking agreed that it should be scrutinised to ensure it offered 20,000 troops. In a move that left Defence Secretary value for money. The deal allows the Lib Dems, who Liam Fox fuming, David Cameron was persuaded that went into the general election opposing a like-for-like the Army cuts would risk victory in Afghanistan. There replacement of the missile system, to "continue to make are also growing concerns that the difficult defence the case for alternatives". review is being badly rushed to meet artificial Treasury deadlines. A source said: "The money men have An MoD spokesman said: "The government remains forgotten we're an island nation with 90 per cent of our committed to maintaining the UK's minimum and trade going by sea. And we have the additional tasks credible submarine-based nuclear deterrent, based on now of chasing pirates and counter-terrorism. The the Trident missile system. "Within the framework of the Navy has never been busier." And 80-year-old Anna strategic defence and security review, a review is Tribe, the great-great-great-granddaughter of Admiral ongoing to ensure that the renewal of the deterrent Horatio Nelson, said: "I think he would be horrified. provides value for money. "It will consider the "As a country we are terribly in debt and savings have programme timetable, numbers of submarines, missiles, to be made, but not all the money was spent on missile tubes and warheads, infrastructure and other sensible things. It is very sad." The RAF also faces support costs, and the industrial supply chain. Once the bitter cuts with Tornado and Harrier jets, Chinook and review has concluded, ministers will discuss and agree Puma choppers and the jobs of 6,500 airmen under the optimum balance of capability and cost." Labour threat. Our revelation comes as the row with leadership candidate Ed Balls said: "I believe the right Argentina over a hunt for oil in the Falklands is approach is to include the decision about the expected to be raised by the Argies in the UN in New replacement of Trident in the strategic defence review, York today. Deputy PM Nick Clegg will also signal to so that we can make an informed decision about how the UN that the age of big Cold War-style fleets and best to maintain the minimum nuclear deterrent that armies is over as we face "more fluid, less visible" Britain requires. "I think it's right that we seek to make threats. Last night a Downing Street spokesman said savings where possible, but this decision by the no final decisions had been taken on defence cuts coalition looks worryingly like a government putting off the difficult political choices because they are too weak and too divided to take them, rather that showing the THEFT FROM HOLLAND V. Press Assn 2010 leadership and strength to make tough choices in the Thieves have targeted a nationally-important long-term interests of our country." submarine wreck lying in the English Channel off East Sussex. Divers stole the torpedo tube hatch of the Holland 5, the only surviving example on the seabed of FLEET SHRUNK this class of submarine in the world. The theft was Friday, 24 September 24, 2010 The Sun Online discovered during a licensed dive by the Nautical Defence bosses have drawn up shock plans to shrink Archaeology Society in June and confirmed during a the Royal Navy's ship fleet by half, The Sun survey dive last month. Experts said a group of people newspaper has reported. In a cuts blueprint seen by would have been behind the theft but that the hatch the newspaper, the fleet will be slashed to just 12 carried very little monetary value. English Heritage frigates and destroyers. It will make our surface and Sussex Police appealed for help to catch the armada, once feared the world over, smaller than that perpetrators who are believed to have struck over the of every other major European nation except Portugal. past two years. Removing the hatch and accessing And 7,500 sailors will be laid off, more than a fifth of the site without a license is illegal under the Protection the Senior Service's manpower of 35,760. The plan of Wrecks Act 1973, police warned. The Holland class would leave the service which won Trafalgar, Jutland of submarine became obsolete in the early 20th and the Falklands unrecognisable. Last night the Century and in 1912 the Holland 5 was destined for closest living relative of the Navy's greatest hero, scrap. It was being towed to Sheerness in Kent when Admiral Lord Nelson, said the plan would have left him it foundered and sunk six miles off the coast, near "horrified". And a naval source said: "It won't just be a Eastbourne. One theory was that it took on water after disaster; we are heading for a national humiliation." the hatch that was stolen was left open. 7 ATTRIBUTES OF CUCUMBERS BRITS LOSE SENSE OF HUMOUR AT 52 1. Cucumbers contain most of the vitamins you need The age we all turn into Victor Meldrews every day, just one cucumber contains Vitamin B1, There's not much to laugh about once you reach 52, Vitamin B2, Vitamin B3, Vitamin B5, Vitamin B6, Folic as a new study finds this is the age we all start to lose Acid, Vitamin C, Calcium, Iron, Magnesium, our sense of humour. A poll of 2000 Brits found that Phosphorus, Potassium and Zinc. adults have less to laugh about as they age. On

2. Feeling tired in the afternoon, put down the average adults laugh out loud around four times a day, caffeinated and pick up a cucumber. Cucumbers are a researchers said, but by the time we reach 50 this falls good source of B Vitamins and Carbohydrates that can to just three times a day and a pathetic 2.5 times a day provide that quick pick-me-up that can last for hours. when 60. Dr Lesley Harbridge from the University of Glamorgan said: "The Lifetime of Laughter Scale 3. Tired of your bathroom mirror fogging up after a shows that there really is a law of diminishing returns shower? Try rubbing a cucumber slice along the mirror, when it comes to laughter. "We laugh twice as much it will eliminate the fog and provide a soothing, spa-like in our teens as we do in our fifties. And our findings fragrance. suggest that it's all downhill from 52." The study also

4. Are grubs and slugs ruining your planting beds? found that while an infant can laugh out loud as many Place a few slices in a small pie tin and your garden will as 300 times every day, by the time we reach our be free of pests all season long. The chemicals in the twenties, this figure has slumped to just four times a cucumber react with the aluminium to give off a scent day. Men were found to be more grumpier than undetectable to humans but drive garden pests crazy women. However, according to the findings, life gets a and make them flee the area. little happier when we are in our thirties as thirty something‟s manage, on average, to laugh around five 5. Want to avoid a hangover or terrible headache? Eat a time every day. Perhaps children help us find our few cucumber slices before going to bed and wake up sense of humour again. The survey, carried out for TV refreshed and headache free. Cucumbers contain channel Dave, also found the "Victor Meldrew enough sugar, B vitamins and electrolytes to replenish Syndrome" was firmly established by the time we hit essential nutrients the body lost, keeping everything in 50, as this is the age we are most likely to complain. equilibrium, avoiding both a hangover and headache!! Another finding hinted at what may contribute to our 6. Looking to fight off that afternoon or evening snacking grumpiness as we age; the survey revealed the binge? Cucumbers have been used for centuries and average Brit knows only two Jokes often used by European trappers, traders and explores Editor; Well whoever wrote the above article had for quick meals to thwart off starvation. obviously never visited the ‘Joke & Acorn’ where a certain member of the Derbyshire Branch certainly has 7. Have an important meeting or job interview and you above the average of two jokes in his repertoire and realize that you don't have enough time to polish your my experience with submariners is we certainly tend to shoes? Rub a freshly cut cucumber over the shoe, its laugh well above average as well!! Still I bet the chemicals will provide a quick and durable shine that professor or doctor is laughing well above average that not only looks great but also repels water. some plonkers, normally us the taxpayer, is paying for 8. Out of WD 40 and need to fix a squeaky hinge? Take them to investigate and write reports about this dribble a cucumber slice and rub it along the problematic hinge, that is no use to anyone. and voila, the squeak is gone! To prove the above point, one of our members had a 9. Stressed out and don't have time for massage, facial prolonged operation on his arm, which was filmed and or visit to the spa? Cut up an entire cucumber and place showed to him. He was gleefully telling a table full of it in a boiling pot of water, the chemicals and nutrients the butchery and intricate details of how a certain from the cucumber with react with the boiling water and muscle was really tough. Trying to be subtle as one be released in the steam, creating a soothing, relaxing does to a friend who has suffered a serious operation, I aroma that has been shown the reduce stress in new asked politely if it was as tough as the steak on the mothers and college students during final exams. meal I was trying to enjoy!! As quick as a flash he came 10. Just finish a business lunch and realize you don't back with „Sorry it was an armless story‟. However, have gum or mints? Take a slice of cucumber and press despite needing to wear a sling for at least two months it it to the roof of your mouth with your tongue for 30 has proved that the operation has not dimished his seconds to eliminate bad breath, the phytochemcials sense of humour. Get well soon Jim. will kill the bacteria in your mouth responsible for causing bad breath. OK, so we‟ve taken off all our clothes and got on top of each 11. Looking for a 'green' way to clean your sinks or stainless steel? Take a slice of cucumber and rub it on other. How long until we get the Orgasm? the surface you want to clean, not only will it remove years of tarnish and bring back the shine, but is won't leave streaks and won't harm you fingers or fingernails while you clean.

13. Using a pen and made a mistake? Take the outside I don‟t know. But now I of the cucumber and slowly use it to erase the pen understand why mother writing, also works great on crayons and markers that gets a headache all the the kids have used to decorate the walls!! time

Just do not take your specimen cucumbers into the Joke and Acorn at Oakwood!! 8 DIESEL SUBMARINES 1948 – 1958 PART ONE OF SIX 15 'A' class, 22 'T' class, 11 'S' class and 2 'U' class. The Diesel Submarines Of The Royal Navy Available To According to PoWV 1959, all were armed with Mk 8** Engage In A Major War In The Period 1948 to 1958. torpedoes of the type used in WW II with the option of Compiled by Peter D. Hulme with additional notes. mines, but according to FOSM correspondence of 1948, Acknowledgements for information and advice to John the electric Mk 11 torpedo was also to be carried in the Eade, Ian Buxton, George Malcomson (RN Submarine extended 'T' class. A Mk 20 (BIDDER) passive homing Museum) and Roger Fry. torpedo was in service in 1955 but does not appear to have Submarines are mentioned in this article that were lost been considered a successful weapon. Neither the Mk 11 war and peace - we will remember them and the Mk 20 are mentioned in the PoV 1959. The Mk 8** though apparently old in design was quite a sophisticated By the 1980's surveillance of NATO naval units by Soviet but reliable piece of machinery, but from today's point of submarines was taken for granted. Electronic spy ships view it was basically just an 'aim and fire' weapon. The passed happily through our fleet formations, whilst their running depth could be set before firing as could a gyro maritime aircraft buzzed over them without hindrance. But controlled angled course on leaving the tube. It was in the early 'fifties following hard on the heels of the Berlin propelled by a burner-cycle combustion engine fuelled by airlift and at a time of explosive growth of Soviet sea shale oil and compressed air, and could run for 5,000 yards power, sterner attitudes prevailed. I recall a confidential at 45.5 knots. 805 lb of Torpex explosive in the warhead. memorandum on the subject circulated to the Fleet at the Diameter 21". Weight 3,452 lbs. Overall Length 259 in. A time which reminded Escort Force Commanders that there large weapon to store and manhandle in the confines of were no prohibitions on firing depth charge patterns to test these submarines. They were indeed submersible torpedo them at any time. Exactly what similar orders had gone out boats! to the Red Navy remained a matter of conjecture, but no one fancied being the first to find out, as Gary Powers did on his U2 flight over Mother Russia. Books such as "Naval Weapons of World War Two" by John Campbell give a more detailed description of this Extract from SUBMARINER by Commander John Coote torpedo and figures for torpedo success, briefly 5421 Royal Navy (deceased), former C.O. of the Totem, torpedoes fired, 1040 certain hits. The Alliance book by foreword by Submarine Admiral I.J. Galantin US Navy Lambert and Hill has detailed drawings of the torpedo and (Rtd). Norman Friedman, US Naval author - "Office of the tube firing system but little text discussion. It would Naval Intelligence (US Navy) found the future bleak; by have been interesting to know if there were sufficient 1951 it expected 356 Soviet submarines. It later proved to torpedoes to fully load all the submarines and if there were be an over estimate. ONI in 1954 credited the Soviets with sufficient again to reload. Another useful logistical figure 345 operational units including 83 obsolete submersibles." would have been the crew strength in the period. But Preamble The data bases of British submarines while very these vital figures have proved difficult to obtain. It is useful can be confusing when trying to estimate the actual known from reliable anecdotes that early in the period fighting strength of the Submarine Service over any small designated groups of mainly 'S' class were held in particular period, in this case 1948-1958. This period, as it active reserve in different locations, with one crew looking will referred to throughout the list and commentary, was after each group. chosen because in 1958 the first new operational submarine since the war, Porpoise joined the fleet to be It has been suggested but not confirmed, that at the same followed by the rest of her class. Other major changes time, some 'T' class were held in the Dockyards. No were in the offing, not the least the first British nuclear attempt has been made at this stage, to take on the difficult submarine, but of more immediate influence, new sonar task of determining the disposition, year by year of each and torpedoes were finally to become a reality. 1948 was submarine. It is well known that submarines were chosen as the start of the 'period of interest' for historical committed to Australia and Canada for training for long reasons but there was also an important practical motive, periods, however they represented a relatively small most of the disposal and scrapping of WWII vessels was percentage of the total fleet and in principle could return to complete. Historically the 1948 Berlin Airlift symbolised the the UK if crisis circumstances arose. 'The Politics of British start of confrontation between the Western Powers and the Defence Policy 1945-1962' by William P Snyder (1964) will Soviet Union, the Cold War. NATO came into being the tell the reader nothing about diesel submarines but this next year and the submarine started to take its place as a American military author does provide a picture of the key player in the conduct of this trial of resolve between defence politics of the period and confirms that a Soviet East and West. However while the story from about 1960 attack in Europe was then considered very likely (Page 19). onward is well known as are the submarines involved, the The comment is made in the context of commitments to the active units that made up the submarine fleet of the Royal Korean War. Navy when the possibility of a 'Hot War' was very real, are not as well known and this list is intended to correct that The List With Commentary The intention is to identify with data and photographs. The Royal Naval Submarine each submarine and its condition as clearly as possible. Museum archives has documents that already define the Submarines still around in the period but not sensibly fleet but these are not readily available to me to use in a available for active service, are accounted for in separate publication for this web site. sections. ASDIC sets in Sections 1 to 4b were of the type Of great value have been the relevant pages of the official used in WWII. Refer to the extended 'T' notes Section 4d Particulars of War Vessels 1959 CB 04826 supplied to me for comment on the ASDIC and TCS. of the latter part of by Ian Buxton. These pages have provided a lot of the the period of interest. There is insufficient information detail about each vessel at the close of the period and available to offer comment on the radar sets. Norman confirms what submarines were still in active service. Friedman, 1981. Naval Radar. Naval Institute Press. ISBN Including submarines temporarily in the dockyard or 0870219677, may prove helpful to interested readers. reserve, in 1953 (the halfway point in the period) there PoWV 1959 refers to the official document - Particulars of were 50 apparently operational diesel electric submarines War Vessels 1959 CB 04826, relevant sub pages provided in the Royal Navy. by Ian Buxton.

9 The Submarines these dates give some idea as to when the Royal Navy Section 1: Two 'U' class submarines began snort experiments. The 'T' and 'S' submarine Section 2: The introduction of a snort system in the RN classes were fitted with 'fold down' combined exhaust and Section 3a: The 'S' class submarine induction masts mast as were the initial installations on the Section 3b: Eleven 'S' class modernised submarines 'A' class. This quickly changed on the 'A' class with the Section 3c: 4 'S' class submarines to France 1951/1952 exhaust fixed to the after standards and only the induction Section 3d: Six 'S' class submarines scrapped by 1950 mast folding down on to the after casing. Further detail in Section 3e: 4 S class streamlined un-armed ASW targets each section. Section 4a: 10 Grp III 'T' class Submarines. 1571 tons sm Section 4b: Accounting for 'T' class to early scrap/loan Section 3a: The 'S' Class Of Submarine Construction of Section 4c: 8 'T' class extended hull, fast battery subs this substantial fleet of (990 tons sm.) submarines was Section 4d: Five - Streamlined 'T' class submarines commenced with the laying down of the Sturgeon in 1931. Section 5: Sixteen 'A' class submarines However the submarines of interest in the period 1948- Section 6: The Porpoise class 1958 came from the surviving 40 that were part of Group III Section 7: Experimental and Trials submarines construction 1941 to 1945. There were 9 war losses from Section 8: The HTP Propulsion Programme of the RN this group. There are obvious features introduced in WWII Section 9: Personal observations, Streamlining/Guns but not fitted to all the GIII submarines. No doubt due to Appendix; Pennant numbers Dockyard opportunities etc. One was the Oerlikon gun For a broader historical view of the disposition of the fitted on a raised, railed 'Bandstand', aft of the conning Submarines of the Royal Navy at this time, the following tower, the example below shows the conning tower of two sources are suggested. Norman Friedman "The Post Splendid P228 (Lost in 1943) HMS Splendid shown with a War Naval Revolution, Chapter 8, Submarines" and Eric 'Bandstand' & Oerlikon gun. The platform is supported by a Grove "Vanguard to Trident 1945-1985. Chapter 6 - column mounted on the hull. (Photo: G Chalcraft) The Peroxide to Polaris". Thanks to John Eade and Ian Buxton following image shows who checked and where required, corrected the basic Sahib P212 without this submarine data using their sources. feature (lost in 1943). Another feature was the single external torpedo seen clearly on this image of Sahib but not on all the class. This was the only external tube fitted to the 'S' class. HMS Sahib note the absence of a 'Bandstand' & Oerlikon gun. Deck gun can be Section 1: Two 'U' Class Submarines seen as can the Two 'U' Class Submarines, 730 tons sm. Mike Critchley aft torpedo tube. 'British Warships Since 1945', has photographs of both of (Our President these submarines that played such an important role in survived the WWII. They are shown in 1957 flying the White Ensign. sinking of Sahib in Guns removed and a modern ASDIC domes. No pennant 1943 and was taken POW) number displayed. Apparently the last of the large fleet of 51 small 'U' submarines, all built by Vickers Armstrong HMS Scotsman showing the shielded platform fitted to during WWII. There were 22 war losses. In addition some S class (Photograph: R Fry) The GIII 'S' class were Armstrong Vickers built 22 very similar 'V' class. HMS fitted with a 3" and later a 4" gun. It was thought the latter Upstart shown here post war without a gun. Note modern would be more effective against small ships, particularly in ASDIC dome aft. (Photo: G Chalcraft) the Far East, (The Design and Construction of British Warships 1939-1945). The 3" mounts seem to have all These Submarines By Name And Number. been simple unshielded deck

Untiring P59. Completed 1943 Vickers Armstrong, guns, again as shown on Sahib Loaned to Greece as Xifias 1945. Returned to Royal Navy but the 4" gun appears to have 1952. Expended as A/S target off Start Point 25 July 1957. had a platform mount and shield as seen in Sea Devil in the post Upstart P65. Completed 1943 Vickers Armstrong. war photograph above and a Became Greek Amfitrite 1945. Returned to RN 1952. grainy but clear close-up of the Expended as A/S target off Isle of Wight 19 July 1957. gun and conning tower of the Scotsman P243, 1946 on the right. HMS Sea Devil in Section 2: Introduction Of A Snort System In The RN 1949. Note she still has the 'Bandstand' but no snort. No The first successful snort system in the Royal Navy is pennant number is displayed. Post-war many of the 'S' reported as being fitted in Truant N68. class were transferred to other navies or scrapped and it is The topic is introduced at this point to history of the survivors that went on to serve in the critical give some idea how soon after the 1948-1958 period before new submarines came into war a snort system was available for service that is of interest. To be continued fitting in all RN submarines. She was a relatively old Group 1 'T' class. This article will be serialised over the coming months and Completed 1939 Vickers Armstrong. includes many submarines served on by Derbyshire Members. I am at present preparing it in a newsletter format and cannot Decommissioned 1945. Wrecked off at the present time say how many parts it will be but obviously Cherbourg en route to scrapping, our more senior members are getting their boats mentioned December 1946. HMS Truant a group one T class first!! It is appreciated the article is available on the web but it completed in 1939. Seen here with snort mast raised. The is also acknowledged that most members who served on ‘S’ additional pipe to starboard indicates this was an Boats in the 1940’s and early 1950’s do not have access to a experimental setup. Decommissioned in 1945 and lost computer. Feedback is always welcome, so let me know what under tow to the scrap yard in 1946, you think with pleasure 10

FINAL PART “I‟M NO HERO BUT I DID MY BIT” An Understatement By An „ilson Lad FOUR of FOUR MY STORY OF THE WAR YEARS 1939-1945 by Joseph Simons, Driver REME

1946. In 1946 demob and back to the UK, back to Civvy Street, it went on age and length of service. (I was group 47, demobbed September 1947) we had a hut where at night we could go play cards, dominoes or have a chat. If someone getting demobbed we put a bit of a party on for them and Bill Dabbs a London bus driver aged about forty, known no other life for over five years being with and working with the lads and with his mates, and what with the weak beer they served in the hut, he had tears running down his face with emotion due to leaving men he had only known for five years and the fact he was going back into civvy life where you are on your own.

Early summer I got a fourteen day leave, and went up to the leave centre and got on the train with all the others going on leave. Wooden seats and it took twenty four hours to get to Calais because the train kept breaking down. The Royal Engineers had put a single railway track across the River Rhine and the train went dead slow over this wooden bridge and looking out of the window you could only see the river. We got to Calais and we crossed the channel on a fishing trawler to Folkstone. I enjoyed that leave with the girl I had met, but soon it was all over and back to our workshop camp. Later that year through units were breaking up due to demobilisation and our own workshop was one, the fitters and mechanics took all the trucks Bad and went to another workshop to make it up to strength. All the Oyenhasen drivers went to Bad Oyenhasen, a spar town. Once a week we went to the baths, a German civilian filled the wooden bath worn smooth by years of use and put a thermometer in the water to see if it was the right temperature. A bath in a wooden bath is far superior.

A posting came for me and I went to Dusseldorf to this little unit which controlled all the factories in the Ruhr. It consisted of a Captain, WO1, Sergeant, Corporal and me with two civilian clerks. My job was to go to a factory to see what they had produced and take it to another factory that needed it. I went all around the Ruhr past the Krupps bombed out factory at Essen, Solingen, Dortmund, Wuppertao, one job I had to pick up about seven plate glass shop window size and take it to Achen about thirty miles away. I thought the state of the roads it will be broken, but it was all in one piece not broke when I got it to Achen.

I was billeted in the centre Dusseldorf in a big building it must have been offices because it had many rooms, it was opposite Steal House, the headquarters of the steel industry of the Ruhr. It was where we had our meals; our office was about a mile away. The Captain and the Sergeant where German Jews and must have got out of Germany before the war had started. The Captain disappeared at the weekend with German friends in the big houses or castle and went on the shooting parties in the forests. He had got all mounted animal heads on the walls of his office. The Sergeant as soon as you saw him he was a Jew. They both had cars whether bought or commandeered and when the sergeant went out he must have scared the Germans to bits for what they did to the Jews. The Corporal he was a real spiv selling things for a profit what the Germans could not get, cigarettes was the currency; you could buy anything with cigarettes.

The winter of 1946-47 it was cold and we went skating on the lake in the park. I enjoyed my job going to different factories that had started up taking and delivering things in my three ton truck and then that day when group 47 came up and it was on the train to Cuxhaven (North Germany) a night crossing on a troop ship to Hull, and train to barracks at York to collect everything from a civvy suit, pay that was due, rail ticket to Derby, bus warrant to Ilkeston and I was back in civvy street. I am pleased I did and I would not sell my memories of those four years of army life; not for a million pounds.

Joseph Simons, Driver REME April 1943 to September 1947 Army Number 14424767

Editor: It was a pleasure to undertake putting his story into book form for Joe‟s Grandchildren which includes many more photographs he took on his exploits than can be shown here. Many of these photo‟s are personal to him, but I am immensely pleased that he allowed me permission to produce some extra books and they have been placed in the Local History Section of Ilkeston Library and also in the Erewash Museum so the exploits of a local Ilkeston (ilson is the local slang) man have been recorded for the future. I hope you have enjoyed the story; I certainly felt very privileged that he shared his experiences 11 VANGUARD VISIT TO DERBY 30 Sept – 3 Oct Every crew member visiting received one and they It was absolutely wonderful to have a group of twenty bore the crests of Vanguard, SA Derbyshire, SM1 Submariners visit Derby for an extended weekend and with special permission from Rolls Royce; their with hopefully not too busy a programme, though it crest. These were proudly above the wording was running tight on occasions. The crew arrived in „Freedom of the City of Derby granted to HM Derby spaced over six or so hours and booked in the Submarine Service with the White Ensign in the European Hotel which was very accommodating, and middle. The WEO of Vanguard, Lt Cdr Chris Bland geared up, and everyone agreed it was very good. thence presented the Mayor with a Vanguard Crest. We had an early evening briefing on the programme Getting on for 11:20 we started the ball rolling with and all sailors received a welcome to Derby pack with the raffle draw and this was followed by the Mayor loads of paper advising what had been arranged and opening the envelopes to declare the Blackout free entry tickets and other information. A recce of winners. I might add the Derby Night Life was organised and it was abundantly winning boats and targets were clear at breakfast at 8am that some lively night life impartially picked by someone had been found!! who knows absolutely nothing about the RN and the fact our Chair won the bottle of Pusser‟s with Courageous which he served on in 1982 was purely a coincidence! Still the good news is the Skimmer prize of 1ltr of Lambs was donated back to the branch and will be redrawn either at the visit of Ambush or Christmas so you can have another opportunity of winning a large bottle of rum. We then drew the Submariners unique free Coffee Morning Ticket entry raffle prize of a bottle of whiskey and then finally we auctioned the two Coffee Morning Friday dawn, the weather was an remaining prizes from the straw health and fitness absolute killer with rain as bad as any Singapore draw. The fitness watch worth £70 went for £30 and monsoon. Ritchie, the Vanguard coxswain and I the magnetic bracelet for £10 further enhancing our arrived early at the Council House to open up and to funds. Jenny‟s tombola was a successful sell out. unload my car, which was full to the gunnels with kit in the pouring rain. Our door team of Jim Hunt and Despite the low turn out of people we did John Hadfield had already arrived to man up the exceptionally well, and it is sad that with the closure doors and with them were John‟s wife Maureen, and of the Council House for two years renovation we will her sister Francis who immediately proceeded to set not be able to hold this event in its present location or up the coffee percolator and coffee boat. Maureen form elsewhere at present. I feel it has been an and Francis were soon joined by Joyce who looked immense privilege we have enjoyed courtesy of the after the victuals and peculator, ably assisted by Mayor and the City Council over a number of years. Peter Johnson, and Jean Slater – definitely an „A‟ It has not been a right, but a perk, and I believe all ex team. The next hour was a flurry of activity setting up Service Associations should be grateful at the the various stalls with everyone helping each other. generosity over the years and accept through no John & Rita Sayers did the main raffle, Jenny ones fault the council can no longer afford to provide Williamson the tombola, Michelle Tyler and Julie accommodation now; not the least because they have Winstanley did the Submariners and Skimmer not got any spare accommodation during the renovation of the present Council House! blackouts with Ron Slater and Ken Holtham doing the health and fitness straw draw as well as the Mug On conclusion of the Coffee Morning, members Sales stall; so all helpers really dug out. The squared away the room whilst the Vanguard crew Vanguard crew‟s input was tremendous, helping us enjoyed a very good presentation undertaken by the throughout the morning and as someone observed Mayor and John, the Mayors Chauffer in the Council they were very fit and active!! I might add a lady Chamber. The history of the unique Chain of Office, made this comment – or was she? Incidentally, if I which is priceless, City have missed mentioning anyone please accept my Sword, Orb and Rod, were all apologies, but it was a rather hectic, though explained to an interested successful morning. The severe weather had a major audience. As Ricki Rotimi impact on the ex service trade and of course the fact one of Vanguards Chefs the bus stops outside the Council House have now undertook the demonstrations been moved to the new bus station did not help with the Sword and other either. We would especially like to thank those ladies artefacts it was noticed that and gentleman who booked a day of work for this the Mayor kept the Chain of event and despite the weather turned out; especially Office firmly in his grasp! Ricki got quite excited that one young lady who came into Derby for the event by whilst kneeling he got Knighted with the sword but train and it‟s a long walk with weather like that! Many looked a bit glum when it was declared that his hands make light work, so everyone‟s efforts were Knighthood was invalid as it needed the Monarchs appreciated. The Mayor of Derby joined us at 10:45 approval. On leaving the Council House we and our Chair Steve Tyler welcomed him and discovered the rain was as bad as it had been early presented him with one of the special commissioned in the morning thus wet on the outside we proceeded mugs to commemorate the Vanguard visit. to the pub to get wet on the inside too. 12 We collected our vehicles and made our way to the On time everyone was summoned to take their places Oak & Acorn for an arranged buffet. Once the crew for Dinner and at 7pm the Sea Cadets from TS Kenya had been fed and watered (though there was not piped the top table into Dinner. The Diners slow much water drunk) the branch members were invited hand clapped the top table in and I undertook Master to dine. The worries on the change of management of Ceremonies with a very short safety brief. Thence three days previously were unfounded and everyone the Senior Officer present, Cdr Jerry Hall RN Rtd was was pleased with the choice of venue. The Rolls called upon to read out the response to the Loyal Royce Representative, Tony; kindly joined us for a Greetings sent to HM Queen Elizabeth II on the short time and he acted as escort for a special tour to occasion of our 30th Anniversary. Jerry proudly read Rolls Royce on Raynesway for all the crew members, the message to all relayed from the Queen wishing us on which I understand was a very useful and a successful evening. Thence followed the Welcome interesting visit to Vanguard‟s crew. I used the time by our President, Mr Ken Holtham and grace by our after this to offload a lot of gear at my home, as my Vice Chair, Mr John Sayers. It was thence time to dig car was so full it could not carry passengers! I then in for the first course which was a choice of Soup, set off for the Spot to complete setting up the room Pate or Melon. The main course was a Carvery, but with the Raffle, final place settings due to changes, what a carvery? We had the choice of Beef, Pork & checking wine orders etc. I normally set up a big A Turkey and all vegetarians and special diets were Board with laminated welcome posters but with the well looked after. The choice of vegetables was the Spot having all the mod cons I was requested to largest anyone had seen with the only complaint supply A4 instead of twice the size A3. I was most being the plates were not big enough! I consider as I impressed with the displays in lights as we entered. I was full there was ample, but I agree it was produced two posters, one welcoming the Vanguard impossible to get everything on!! There were one or on their visit to Derby and one advertising the Branch two deep breaths before the puddings which was the and its 30th Anniversary. To see them up in lights Sweet Trolley of cream gateaux‟s, Cheese board or was far superior to the laminated posters. I know it‟s ice cream followed by coffee which with cream and a just another toy, but wow! What a toy. mint biscuit rounded off a super meal. We then eased springs for a break of fifteen minutes before Friday night rush hour is a nightmare and I got the speeches. caught up in the car parking on the new Laura Croft way trying to get back to the European Hotel and in the end landed up with only having 30 minutes to get showered, dressed in best bib and tucker and to get to the Spot to welcome everyone. How we did it I do not really know. And it was still chucking it down with rain! In fact it was just like Faslane.

Friday Evening was a combination celebrations rolled into one. We were celebrating our Branch 30 th Anniversary and had brought forward our branch Trafalgar Dinner night as well. We were also celebrating the 50th year of RN British Submarines and of course we welcomed the twenty crew of Vanguard to the only City in the United Kingdom that has granted the Freedom of the City to HM Submarine Service which Cdr Jerry Hall, Lt Cdr Chris Bland, Terry Hall, proudly hangs on the Michelle Tyler, Desna & Ian Tyson stairwell of the Submarine Squadron The immortal Toast and a fine speech on Nelson was Offices in Faslane. The delivered by Lt Cdr Chris Bland the WEO as Senior room had been superbly Officer of Vanguard who bravely stepped into the decorated on a Red, position of Cdr Stuart Capes the Commanding Officer White and Blue theme by of Vanguard Port who was unable to attend due to the Spot and this was operational reasons. Chris was followed by the Loyal complimented by Toast to HM the Queen. This very different and balloon‟s. The branch enjoyable toast was undertaken by Mr Ian Tyson MIM had added our own who is not only a personal friend of mine but was the personal touch with place ex Ceremonial Officer for the Submariners Assn and mats, individual seating was a leading light in the London SA before its markers with a reminder closure. Ian treated us to a unique history lesson on of what people had the Battle of Trafalgar and his instruction on taking ordered and table markers and of course a unique one‟s tot involved everyone, and the experience was programme to celebrate the occasion. When items enjoyed by all. It was, as promised in our Loyal such as these are taken as souvenirs I always Greetings letter to HM, toasted with gusto and from consider it a compliment and I had nothing to clear up the heart. Ian‟s speech and toast was summed up by at the end of the evening! Everyone assembled in our Chairman, Steve Tyler who when he arose to the middle room for early drinks and socialise with toast the Submarine Service and the Submariner John & Rita Sayers making everyone exceptionally stated “How do I follow that?” Follow it he did, with a welcome selling them Raffle Tickets!! roaring toast to the senior part of the Senior Service.

13 The presentations were extended slightly with two Saturday 2 December 2010 planned, and one unplanned. The branch made a Talk about see-saw weather. Thursday had been fine presentation of a SA Derbyshire Plaque to the Senior for the arrival, and it was quite hot sat in the foyer of Officer and thence a framed picture of a cartoon that the hotel waiting to meet and greet the crew to Derby. had been in the National Press which had been Friday was a total washout weather wise, and the rain suitably and artistically enhanced in colour by my that bad I would liken it to a monsoon. Saturday daughter. This was presented to Vanguard‟s however dawned bright and sunny and stayed like Coxswain, John Richie Richardson and small A5 that until the early evening. However, our plan was a copies distributed in a sealed envelope to each table visit to the National Memorial Arboretum at Alrewas so all could view the cartoon. The Senior Officer where the Vanguard crew would lay a wreath at the thence presented the branch with a superb framed Submariners Memorial. Though booked into the NMA picture of the it was not until about two weeks before that I was Vanguard Crest advised of the Annual Bike to the Wall and was told with brass plaques they already had 23,000 bikes booked in! I spoke to engraved to the Coxswain and we decided it was worth a go and commemorate the we are all very glad we did. Only one of the twenty visit to Derby. had visited the NMA before so it was a particularly This splendid gift poignant visit. We convoyed down in three vehicles will be hung in our parking up in a field designated as the Park & Ride room at TS Kenya Car Park with a free bus service to and from the for both ourselves NMA. The rain the previous day saw the river and the cadets to swollen that runs through the site and it was a little enjoy. A damp to say the least. The buses ran regularly and presentation of a we arrived and our first duty was to replace the very bouquet of flowers tatty and dirty White Ensign on the Naval Review was made by ET section. We then went down to the submariner‟s Chris Whale to memorial where we carried out a short poignant Elena Holtham the service including the laying of Vanguards Wreath. wife of our Branch The various parts of the service were shared out President who was amongst crew members with me having the honour of celebrating her 85th birthday. I would also like to piping the silence. I had produced souvenir quality extend our branch‟s best wishes to Chris on his service sheets for each crew member, and included a forthcoming course he is just embarking on at HMS brief history of the NMA site. I particularly liked the Sultan; we wish you the best of luck. In keeping with comment about „Its good to see it was the conception the branch tradition we thence provided a decorated of a Commander Royal Navy who made it happen‟ Rose Stem for all of the ladies attending and and that is something we can all be very proud of. requested the crew members undertake the presentations - which were carried out admirably in Unfortunately I had left my camera in the car but we true Naval Tradition. Our enjoyed the spectacle of the bikers in their youngest guest was a thousands. The respect and salutes to the service lovely young lady called members were a joy to behold. The bikers raise a lot Amy, who had joined us of money and the sights of them coming up the main due to a late cancellation. A38 dual carriageway with lights blazing was a She had joined us at our magnificent sight. The car parks and main coffee morning and spent thoroughfares were chocker block with bikes of all some time with our WWII shapes and sizes including some modified with rear veterans discussing their experience for her „A‟ ends of VW Beetles, Indian rickshaws and Harleys by Levels and the branch has been able to help with the hundreds. Whatever the bike they had all come books from our library and I have provided her with to pay their respects to our Armed Forces and were a books/leaflets from various projects I have credit to their respective chapters, clubs or Legion undertaken with my RBL hat on so not only was the bikers or as individuals. BZ to all those who RN covered, but also the RAF with the bomber participated on the „Ride To The Wall‟. memorial and Joe Simons excellent story of his service from Normandy just after D-Day and into We returned to Derby in the afternoon and arranged Germany. You may be able to spot her in the picture to meet up down in the City at the Assembly Rooms above. where Shep Woolley was performing and the promoters had kindly offered greatly reduced tickets The evening was thence concluded by a wonderful for the Vanguard Crew. After the concert I was performance by Shep Woolley who I consider it a treated to a Chinese; all you can eat on Babbington great privilege that he Lane. With not frequenting Derby very often and commented to me how much he certainly not at night; it was an unknown venue to me had enjoyed his observations of but was most enjoyable. I sincerely thank Coxn our special evening. As per Richie Richardson and CPO Nick Alton for excellent normal Shep gave a superb company. My first ever visit to Walkabouts was an performance and it was much eye opener and a half, and it was only the excellent enjoyed by all and we thank him company that made the run so enjoyable. Sunday for such a brilliant and entertaining programme as the was going home day and the Vanguards split off by Golden Carriages arrived for our guests. car, train to all points of the compass! 14 HMS TIRELESS IN MULTINATIONAL EXERCISE TS KENYA PRESENTATION NIGHT Naval assets from the UK, France, Australia and the US Friday 15 October 2010 have completed a major international anti-submarine What an absolutely awful evening weather wise, warfare exercise in the Gulf of Oman. This is a regular which fortunately did not prevent a decent size exercise directed by the United Kingdom Maritime audience for this Annual prestigious event which was Component Command (UKMCC) based in Bahrain. It is a credit of organisation and planning. The Cadets designed to enhance anti-submarine warfare capability both Sailors and Royal Marines were as usual in warm water environments and promote excellently turned out and disciplined. The Chief interoperability between ships and aircraft from a variety guests were the High Sheriff of Derbyshire and the of nations. The centrepiece of the 'cat and mouse style' Mayor of Derby who both presented the various exercise was Trafalgar trophies to the Cadets. As I helped with the raffle I Class submarine HMS can say with authority that all the prime guests and Tireless playing the role of Senior Committee were exceptionally generous with the 'mouse', while the donations and the total of just under £90 was raised. duties of the 'cat' were Whoever organised the prizes did a Herculean effort shared between the Australian frigate HMAS Melbourne with Black & Decker Sets, Footbath, bottles and really and the French frigate FS Dupleix. Meanwhile Merlin exceptionally good prizes. helicopters from 820 Naval Air Squadron and US P-3 Orion maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft acted We submariners were thinner on the ground than in as 'eyes in the sky'. HMS Tireless and HMAS the past with myself, Ken, and Peter and Joyce, but Melbourne also exchanged key personnel during the with more than half the branch either on holiday, exercise in order to share skills and experience. A P7R, or sick parade this was to be expected. There UKMCC spokesperson said: "The number of navies was also three RMA & Tom Smith BEM RNA. Jerry building and operating Hall was wearing many hats including President of submarines continues to grow. It the TS Kenya Management Committee and President is therefore important that the of the RNA, for whom he presented a Bosun‟s Pipe to Royal Navy retains its position at the best cadet. Jerry is of course a Submariner the forefront of anti-submarine member, and thanked all four Naval Associations in warfare, a skill easy to lose but Derby for their unstinting support of the unit.

difficult to regain. The presence of The presentations took the normal format of the a large number of coalition navies in this region badges and promotions for the Cadets followed by provides the ideal opportunity to train together." the awards. The „Tommy Appleby‟ Memorial Shield Commodore Tim Fraser, UK Maritime Component was won by Cadet Ginette Doherty. This Shield was Commander, said: "The large proportion of the Royal presented to the Unit by Doris in memory of Tommy Navy's work in this region is of an operational nature, who was a submariner member. The array of awards such as conducting anti-piracy patrols and is impressive, and the presentations were undertaken strengthening relations with regional allies. However, it in rotation by the High Sheriff and the Mayor. After is important that we also run regular exercises such as the presentations the High Sheriff and the Mayor this in order to maintain and further develop our skills were presented with bouquets. The High Sheriff is a across the full range of capabilities." The UKMCC nice lady, but the Mayor had to accept on behalf of controls all Royal Navy warships, aircraft and personnel his wife who had been whisked away only moments in the Middle East maritime theatre, which totals over before for another function; I thought he took the thirteen hundred personnel and more than a dozen presentation of flowers in good spirit. The Mayor and vessels. These include frigates undertaking maritime High Sheriff both made speeches praising the work of security operations and anti-piracy patrols, mine the Cadets, Staff and supporters of the Unit. countermeasures vessels developing warm water mine hunting techniques, and landing ships supporting the Those who follow the progress of the Cadets through training and development of the fledgling Iraqi Navy and the newsletter or otherwise will be aware that the the protection of key Iraqi oil platforms. project to get the Cadets on the water is nearing fruition, with the money required for a boat and a HMS ASTUTE IN COMMISSION safety boat raised, and both boats are in the process The UK's most powerful attack submarine, HMS Astute, of being built. An internal competition at TS Kenya has been welcomed into the Royal Navy in a had been undertaken to name the two boats and commissioning ceremony overseen by the boat's unfortunately the Commanding Officer; Capt SCC patron, the Duchess of Cornwall as well as Doug Clarke Andy Fuller RMR would not divulge the ones he our Derbyshire Member, who was kindly taken up to advised were outrageous suggestions? However, the Faslane by his son and daughter for the prestigious decision had been to name the budding Fleet after ex event. HMS Astute, which has officially become 'Her Royal Navy vessels, with one to be a submarine, and Majesty's Ship' today; 29 August 2010. She is almost one to be a target, skimmer, surface vessel!! The fifty per cent bigger than any attack submarine in the decision made was for HMS Sovereign for the safety Royal Navy's current fleet. As the base port of all the boat, and HMS Malaya for the pulling boat. Royal Navy's submarines from 2016, Faslane will be Sovereign was Derby‟s adopted boat for over thirty home to the whole Astute Class, including Ambush, years and always ably supported the Sea Cadet unit Artful and Audacious which are already under in Derby. Malaya was the name of the Unit until a construction. Astute was built by BAE Systems at few years ago, when the name was changed to TS Barrow-in-Furness, with hundreds of suppliers around Kenya to reflect the long Ship Affiliation of HMS the country contributing component parts, including Kenya, which was Derby‟s adopted ship before Rolls-Royce, Derby (nuclear plant) Sovereign with links to warship week in WWII. 15 FEEDBACK 30th ANNIVERSARY WEEKEND NATIONAL CONFERENCE 2011 I have received much positive feedback and only one If any members have any proposals for Conference complaint of the 30th Anniversary & Trafalgar Dinner. 2011 you are reminded that the branch must submit The complaint was from Jim Hunt who stated the them by 31 December 2010 thus they need to be carvery plates were not big enough! End of presented at the next two meetings if your proposal is complaint. Many branch members as well as guests to be discussed and submitted. have taken the time to say how much they enjoyed the event, and in summary the following letter from HMS Vanguard by Louis Gardner the Operations BRANCH AGM TS KENYA Officer, who I know definitely, enjoyed his run ashore The Branch AGM will take place at 7pm on in Derby! Wednesday 3 March 2011 when we revert from our Winter Routine of lunch time meetings at the Jubilee Dear Terry, May I take this opportunity to thank the Club at 12:15. Items for the Agenda should be Derbyshire Branch of the Submariners Association for submitted by the January meeting with any inviting the Ship‟s Company of HMS Vanguard to nominations for any office. participate in what was a hugely enjoyable visit. Your organisation of such a varied programme, including the visit to Rolls Royce, was particularly well BRANCH SUBSCRIPTIONS 2011 received. Further thanks must go to Branch Subscriptions were not discussed at our AGM all who ensured such a successful in March thus by default they will remain the same at Trafalgar Night Dinner. Excellent £10 per person with £5 National fee making a total of hosting was provided by all of your £15 Annual Subscription. This becomes due to the members, which was enjoyed and 31 December 2010 for the following year and it is appreciated by our sailors and requested that to enable the year end figures to be officers. It was a delight to toast both completed by 31 January 2011 that they are Nelson and your branch‟s 30th submitted to the Treasurer as soon into the new year, anniversary on the same occasion. Special thanks or anytime before. Those who will be effecting an must go to you for your Herculean efforts in ensuring electronic bank transfer to the branch accounts as our time in Derby ran so smoothly. Everything from per the memo posted out to all members are the welcome packs and presentation mugs to your requested to ensure that your reference clearly states organisation of the service at the National Arboretum your surname and the word „subs‟. Those who wish was greatly appreciated. Much fun was had by all to continue to have a hard copy of In Depth are during the visit and we look forward to the opportunity requested to make a further donation of £5 to to reciprocate your invitation in the future. cover the copies for 2011.

Well done all branch members; I know many of you had an exceptionally busy Friday and also appreciate for many it was an expensive day with taxi‟s, hotels Ron& Jean Slater and distances involved. However, your company was enjoyed by the Vanguard‟s Ship Company, and the fact we had so many turn up to help at the Coffee Morning made the task so much easier, especially for me. It was a wonderful change to have the work load shared as it was by the branch „A‟ team – That‟s all of you who were able to turn up and help. BZ to all, and for the first time I can remember it was a stress free Trafalgar Dinner, with nearly everything going smoothly thanks to the excellent organisation at the 4 November 2010 Spot. Now for next year, has anyone any ideas ???

Best Wishes from all the SA NATIONAL RAFFLE Derbyshire Branch I have received the list of prize winners from the ex National Treasurer and can confirm that unfortunately there are no Derbyshire Member Winners. Thanks to all Newsletter Online If you need to refer to a back issue in the branch who participated as the branch got one (three copies only) please refer to: third of the takings. www.submarinersassociation.co.uk/html/derbynews.html

Views and comments of this newsletter do not always NATIONAL DIARIES reflect the official policy, or decisions of neither the Derby Branch nor, the Submariners Association I asked Steve Tyler that if there were any SA diaries available at Nottingham to get Ten; these have all been Terry Hall, Newsletter Editor sold. We hoped for an opportunity to pick up at the Submariners Association Embankment Parade in London avoiding costly P&P. Derbyshire Branch However, due to problems and cost of accommodation 69 Station Road in London; we will now unfortunately not be parading STANLEY VILLAGE our Standard but will be attending the Derby Festival of Derbyshire, DE7 6FB Remembrance at Derby Cathedral on the same weekend. Any further orders to the Treasurer please.

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