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National Energy Board L’Office National De L’Énergie JOINT REVIEW PANEL FOR THE ENBRIDGE NORTHERN GATEWAY PROJECT COMMISSION D’EXAMEN CONJOINT DU PROJET ENBRIDGE NORTHERN GATEWAY Hearing Order OH-4-2011 Ordonnance d’audience OH-4-2011 Northern Gateway Pipelines Inc. Enbridge Northern Gateway Project Application of 27 May 2010 Demande de Northern Gateway Pipelines Inc. du 27 mai 2010 relative au projet Enbridge Northern Gateway VOLUME 38 - REVISED - Hearing held at Audience tenue à Bella Bella Community School Bella Bella, British Columbia April 4, 2012 Le 4 avril 2012 International Reporting Inc. Ottawa, Ontario (613) 748-6043 © Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Canada 2012 © Sa Majesté du Chef du Canada 2012 as represented by the Minister of the Environment représentée par le Ministre de l’Environnement et and the National Energy Board l’Office national de l’énergie This publication is the recorded verbatim transcript Cette publication est un compte rendu textuel des and, as such, is taped and transcribed in either of the délibérations et, en tant que tel, est enregistrée et official languages, depending on the languages transcrite dans l’une ou l’autre des deux langues spoken by the participant at the public hearing. officielles, compte tenu de la langue utilisée par le participant à l’audience publique. Printed in Canada Imprimé au Canada HEARING /AUDIENCE OH-4-2011 IN THE MATTER OF an application filed by the Northern Gateway Pipelines Limited Partnership for a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity pursuant to section 52 of the National Energy Board Act, for authorization to construct and operate the Enbridge Northern Gateway Project. HEARING LOCATION/LIEU DE L'AUDIENCE Hearing held in Bella Bella (British Columbia), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 Audience tenue à Bella Bella (Colombie-Britannique), Mercredi, le 4 avril 2012 JOINT REVIEW PANEL/LA COMMISSION D’EXAMEN CONJOINT S. Leggett Chairperson/Présidente K. Bateman Member/Membre H. Matthews Member/Membre Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 ORAL PRESENTATIONS/REPRÉSENTATIONS ORALES Heiltsuk First Nation Evelyn Windsor Francis Brown Fred Reid Raija Reid Steve Carpenter Josh Vickers Michelle Brown Jordan Wilson Bella Bella Community School students - Jean Larsen - Aven Sehrader - Coren Humchitt - Jennifer Brown - Blake Carpenter - Kylie Gladstone - Courtney Reid Dr. Maki Ikemura Elroy White William Housty Gladstone Reconciliation Program - Reg Moody-Humchitt - William Gladstone, Sr. - Vanessa Gladstone Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 TABLE OF CONTENTS/TABLE DES MATIÈRES (i) Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe Opening remarks by the Chairperson 27433 Heiltsuk First Nation - Oral presentation by Evelyn Windsor 27444 - Oral presentation by Fred Reid 27544 - Oral presentation by Steve Carpenter 27618 - Oral presentation by Josh Vickers 27727 Preliminary matters 27762 - Oral presentation by Michelle Brown 27793 - Oral presentation by Jordan Wilson 27904 - Oral presentations by the Bella Bella Community School students 28037 - Oral presentation by Dr. Maki Ikemura 28202 - Oral presentation by Elroy White 28353 - Oral presentation by William Housty 28498 - Oral presentations by the Gladstone Reconciliation Program 28644 Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 LIST OF EXHIBITS/LISTE DES PIÈCES (i) No. Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 Heiltsuk First Nation - Oral presentations Ms. Evelyn Windsor --- Upon commencing at 8:56 a.m./L’audience débute à 8h56 --- (Opening Ceremonies) 27433. THE CHAIRPERSON: Before the singers disperse; thank you very much for opening our day with your energy and enthusiasm and your talent. 27434. Good morning everyone. 27435. Ms. Humchitt, I will turn it over to you to call the first witness. 27436. Thank you. 27437. MS. CARRIE HUMCHITT: Thank you, Madam Chair. 27438. It was with great honour and respect that I call upon Evelyn Windsor to approach. Evelyn has asked Fran Brown to assist her in her oral presentation and I believe she also wants one of her nieces to stand with her in support during her presentation. 27439. THE CHAIRPERSON: Good morning, Ms. Windsor. Thank you for being with us. And I hope you had a good birthday celebration last evening. 27440. I understand that maybe someone else is going to read your statement; is that correct. Are you going to make comments and then someone else is going to read your statement for you? 27441. MS. EVELYN WINDSOR: Yes. 27442. THE CHAIRPERSON: So, Ms. Hales, if we could get both people sworn at the same time that would be helpful. 27443. Thank you. EVELYN WINDSOR: Affirmed FRANCIS BROWN: Affirmed --- ORAL PRESENTATION BY/REPRÉSENTATION ORALE PAR MS. EVELYN WINDSOR: Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 Heiltsuk First Nation - Oral presentations Ms. Evelyn Windsor 27444. MS. FRANCIS BROWN (on behalf of Evelyn Windsor): As was stated, I’ll be reading on behalf of Nuaqawa, my aunt, Evelyn Windsor. 27445. (Speaking in native language), honoured guests, (speaking in native language), Chiefs, ladies of high standing, people, beloved children, honoured guests, thank you for being here. 27446. (Speaking in native language). My name is Nuaqawa, Evelyn Windsor. I come from the house of Wa’akas of the Oweekeno. I was born in Rivers Inlet. My father’s name is Simon Wa’akas and my mother’s name is Lila Hailamas. I was taken away to residential school at the age of five to the age of 12 years. 27447. I married into the Heiltsuk tribe. My husband, Marshall Windsor, and three of our children and one grandson have predeceased me. I still have two of my children residing here, along with four grandchildren. 27448. I have been living amongst the Heiltsuk for 66 years. 27449. MS. EVELYN WINDSOR: When I was five years old, I was taken away from my parents, my grandparents, and all my family. 27450. I spent from five years old to seven years old then I finally began to go to classroom schooling. The first years I was there I wandered around; there was nowhere to go, nothing to do but just hang around in the basement of the school, in the playgrounds, I couldn’t go out there. 27451. It was a very different experience for me, from having come from a beautiful home that my grandparents were always there for me when my parents were working. My parents were always there when they weren’t working. 27452. They taught me many things. They included me in everything, everything that they did. When they worked on fish for the coming winter, I was there and my hands were right in it and they never told me: “Go away. Go play somewhere else.” They just let me go right ahead and they said: “You’re helping. Bring me something. Go get me this stick that goes across the fish.” and that was their way of including me in everything they do. 27453. They were so -- I think that they were the greatest teachers. And then, to get hauled away into a place where I had no love, no hugs, no … I couldn’t even speak English. Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 Heiltsuk First Nation - Oral presentations Ms. Evelyn Windsor 27454. I was lucky, though, that I was able to go home in the summertime and speak my language to my parents and my grandparents because they could not speak English and this is how I kept my language. 27455. My grandparents were always there to teach me about who I was. They told the community that if you see me out playing, make sure you take care of me and they said: “Take care of her. Teach her that there are -- anything is wrong, you tell her, explain it to her.” This is how I grew up with the community right behind my parents, teaching me. They looked after me. 27456. It’s so different compared to today. We allow our children to go out and we hope that the community is there to help. 27457. So this is one of the things that happened to me. My mother died when I was about 12 years old and I don’t know how my father got me out of the school. I’ve been through -- I’ve had people tell me: “You should go and take that -- tell them about your schooling because they’re going to close down pretty soon, they’re not going to -- they’re not going to do any more about the people that have been abused in schools. 27458. I left all those locked in my head. I can’t even remember and I don’t want to remember. I saw one -- one of the girls that -- ladies that live here, after she had been through this explaining about what happened to her, she lost her mind. She wasn’t the same person any more. 27459. It’s scary and I don’t want to talk about it or try to remember anything about those days in that school. I want to have a good mind. I want to be myself. I don’t want to lose everything. 27460. So this is something that I told them: “Just file this away. I don’t want to be bothered with it because, if everything comes back at me then I don’t think I’ll be the same person anymore.” 27461. So those are the things that happened in school. There was so much loneliness. Some of us never got to go home and some of us were able to go home. So when I went home in the summertime, it was so great. My parents talked to me some more about life. 27462. I remember when my father was dying, he said: “What’s going to happen Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 Heiltsuk First Nation - Oral presentations Ms. Evelyn Windsor to me when I die?” I couldn’t figure out what is he asking.
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