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CoLUMNS Oral Answers to Questions-
·Starred Questions Nos. 1381 to 1387 1-31 Short Notice Question No. 19 31-39 Written Answers to Questions-
Starred Qu~ons Nos. 1388 to 1410 39-56 Unstarred Questions Nos. 7950 to 7967, 7969 to 8029, 8031 to 8037 and 8039 to 8104 56-173 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Reported arrest of an Indian Embassy Official at Djakarta Airport 173-77 Papers Laid on the Table 177-78 Estimates Committee Eighty-seventh Report 178-79 Public Accounts Committee-- ThirtY-sixth, fifty-third, sixty-first, sixty-seventh, seventy- fifth, seventy-sixth, seventy seventh, seventy-eighth, seventy- ninth, eightieth, eighty-first and eighty-second Reports 179-81 Committee on Public Undertakings-- ThirtY-second, thirty-fifth, forteith, forty-first, forty-fifth, forty-sixth and forty-ninth Reports 181-82 Finance Bill, 1969- Motion to consider 182-200, 206-18,220-31, 232-88,289-316 Shri Morarji Desai 184,21()'18 Shri C.C. Desai 22()'31 Shri Asoka Mehta 23243 Shri S.S. Kothari 243-51 Shri Mrityunjay Prasad 251-60 Shri Y ogendra Sharma 26().69 Shri Sheo Narain 269-77 Shri A. Sreedharan 277-82 Shri P.G. Sen 282·88 Shri Badrudduja 289-97 Shri Shivajirao S. Deshmukh 297·306 Shri Maharaj Singh Bharati 306-15 Shri Achal Singh 315-16 • Arrest and Conviction of Members- (Sarvashri lyotirmoy Basu, C.K. Charkfapani and P. Gopalan) 200-06, 219-20, 231-32, 288-289 ·The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. LOK SABHA DEBATES
2 LOK SABRA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE Tuesday, April 29, 1969/Vaisakha 9, [DR. SHRIMATI PHULRENU GUHA] : 1891 (Saka) (a) No, Sir. (b) No, Sir. (c) Does not arise. ---- (d) The following steps have been taken The Lok Subha me t at Elev.en of the Clock by Delhi Administration :
[MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] (I) In order to enable addicts to get lawful liquor from near by places the number of country liquor shops has been increased ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS to 3. There has been no change in the allot- ment of quota.
$ ~ ~ Q-f.mr;:ftfu' (2) Orders have been issued to keep m strict watch on localities which are notor- + ious for illicit distillation. *1381. "" mm ~ : (3) An Excise Police Squad under a ~ ~ Deputy Superintendent of Police has been organised to check distillation and im- ~ ro '"'" IJC" : port of illicit liquor in contravention of ~~~ Excise Rules.
~ nQ ~~~~ (4) In order to stop the smuggling of illicit liquor from border States of Delhi ~~ ~ Union Territory, the police and excise department staff keep strict vigil from time ~ w ~ ~ ~ etfi to time. ~ arrun: 'n. ~ If'II-f.mr ;ftfu fifmror ~~ "" mm iR : 3T&lieT ~ ~ 3IT'!
DR. (SHRIMATI) PHULRENU GUHA; aNT 'I'i<'\" <:TO 'liT ~ ~ fiI; 11' ~~ We know the 'difficulties of the Delhi Ad- ministration. They have reoently constituted ~ ~ ~ ~ !lOfT ··H I ;;;; '1ft ~ an administrative committee under the ~~ ~ ~ ~ presidentship of the Mayor to suggest arq;r ~ ~ <'IT W ~ "IFf l{ ~ measures to enforce different provisions. ~ ~ m>ft ~ ~ l1T7,1i g3fT fli' ~ ~~ ~~ -n ~ ~ ; 'fin m:
~ T<': 'fin ~ ~ ~ arm mil ~ ;f ~ fit; ~ -n ""'" fit; ~ ~ ~ am: ~ ~ ~ MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. When- ever the prohibition question comes up, ~ ij"Rff"l' if, ~ ~ amti ~ ~ it takes half an hour. ' ~ ;;IT ~ ~ ~ ~ SHRI MANUBHAI PATEL: When ~ ~ ~ arrfiIimf '¥ 31 SHRI GOVINDA MENON This is + a suggestion for action. *1382 . .n ~~ ~~~~ .n ~ ~ : 3f'IiT ~ ~ tTllT ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ .n ifrolfG1' : ~ t ;;m " 'IiJ1I'IfIiiT ~ ~ t m ~ SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: These ~ ~ hon. Members who have tabled this f1mftq'f am 'tiT question must have taken extraordinary trouble and pain to find out the existence *1383. ~ ~ 3I1mT ~ : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRl GOVINDA MENON : I am MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE glad to hear that and that is why in answer DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE to part (b) we have said that there is the [DR. (SHRIMATI) PHULRENU GUHA): Act against immoral traffic and that will (a) to (c) Yes, Sir. The Government had be used if there is immorality which will constituted a Committee of Experts to be covered by that Act. examine the question of "Kidnapping of Children for Purposes of Begging". The Committee has just submitted its Report SHRl K. LAKKAPPA : Sir, Mysore is which is under examination. a model State. It has a glorious reputation. As my hon. friend put it, it has got modesty ~~ ~ ~ and also good character. Certain sections of the people in our country, those who plead ~ ~ u am: ~ ~ ~ f'ilm- for high caste in society, want to malign ~ 'Ill' orgif ~ ~~ f'lfff if;! flfCTifT people of lower castes saying that they are creating devadasis and all that. They ~~ ~ ~ ~ have also selected Mysore to say that 'I{ '1ft ~ ~ ~ m if;f III 0!I"I'm: there is devadasi system in that State. I ~ ~ ~ ~ protest very strongly. Devadasi system does I ~ '"" ~ tIff1ft : ~~ ciT amif>'t '«'IT ~ fit; ~ ~ ~ am if l'i JJft ~ "I'mlf'f ~ : ~ A draft Bill called the Public Trusts Bill, ,fu- 1968 applicable to all public religious and 'iiI WI" rn ~ foro; 3fT'R 'Ii11.'f G("ii["Iff charitable trusts, incorporating therein the Sarr ~ I #!iii' '3"ij" 'Ii11.'f 'R arr.,- 1ft recommendations of the Commission has heen circulated to the State Governments aJlr.l" ~ ~ ~ ~ I ~ ;nff if>'\' and Union territory Administrations for (!l'f ;r.!" ~ ~ I ~ 'fiR'Gl" ~ ~ fit; comments in August, 1968. The Bill is ~~ ~ ~~~ likely to be finalised shortly in the light of the comments received from the State ~~~ I Governments, etc . .q 'lfTifiIT ~ ~ fit; '3"ij" 'Iil'"¥ '!iT JJft ~ mm: i'rtt Il;'Ii fu'!inrcr aJlr.l" li' ~ if>'\' ~ if>'\' ~ lfT ~ « ~ I JJft wm ~ ~ ~ am: ~ ~ ~ f.!; ~ ~~ ~ 3l'$T ~ ~ ~ -:nr f.rn ;ft trn ~ ~ I 'IT f'fi ~ '1fT '3"q'f>T ,!fi;c ~ ~ ;;rro: I ~ ~ '1ft fttfti '1ft f;;ra-;rr '1fT 1M" ~ ~ ~ ~ f.!; ~ '1ft fttfti rifiR;q ~ ~ ~ ~~ am:M't, ~ f.r;m f'tillT ;;rTlf1ll I 4' u ~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ atR ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ -n SIImf up. Therefore a decision can be taken SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK The finally only after the reactions of the State hon. Minister has just now said that the Governments are received and when decisions old Hindu Endowment Bill was withdrawn. are taken the Integration Council's re- commendations will also be kept in view. SHRI M. YUNUS SALEEM: Lapsed. 11ft "!"'" : an-OO ~ ~ mi1vli SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: .. and mr a new Bill is going to be introduced. I am: ~ mmrr ~ ~ am: ~ want to know whether the new Bill covers ~~ ~~~ ~ only the Hindu trusts or it covers the trusts and endowments of all the religions func- ~~ ~~ o ~ n I tioning in this country. This is a specific ~ n ~~ ~~ one. We claim to be a secular State. Therefore, if we have to make a law, it ml'fTR'fi" MR. SPEAKER : The allegation was SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI made a month or so ago. This is a serious Ha"e Government any approximate idea allegation. After all, Tirupati has got of what percentage of the national wealth a very beautiful Act. At one of the NDC lies buried in the vaults of these religious meetings, Pandit Nehru said that it should establishments, and how long it would take be taken as a model. He thought Tirupati to utilise this wealth for national purposes was in Madras because there is a feeling by way of raising resources for the various that everything good is only in Madras, plans ? and then I said it is in Andhra. The allega- tion is that the funds of the Tirupati Temple SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I require are misused by. one of the Directors some- notice as to what percentage of our national where in some company. It is a serious wealth is locked up in these institutions. allegation. The Hon. Minister may SHRI LOBO PRABHU: All religious find out. It mly be that this information endowment and trustfunds are from contri- was promised. But it should not take butions of the followers of each religion. three weeks to find out that. I am sure They are to be used for the followers of that before we adjourn, this information that religion. In these circumstances, will will be given as to whether there is any Government give an assurance that before truth in it. I am sure that there will be they introduce any law to apply to any no truth because one Director cannot religion, they would consult the followers take away all the money. Still I do not of that religion. This is not a matter for know and they must find out and give anybody else but for the followers of that the information. religion. If there are no complaints from any religion, I would like to know how SHRI GOVINDA MENON accept Government are justified in having laws for your suggestion. the control of the religious endowments of that religion. SHRI NATH PAl: It is not a sugges- tion, it is a directive. SHRI GOVINDA MENON : When Bill comes before the House, we can circulate it for eliciting public opinion. SHRI HEM BARUA: Pandit Jawahar- lal Nehru said that all organised religions SHRI NATH PAl : In reply to my are kill·joy. Dr. Radhakrishnan said colleague, Shri Hem Barua, the.hon. Minister that the world would have been a much said that temples should not be used for better place to live in had there been no intrigue. Has his attention been drawn religion. By 'religion', he meant organised to the fact that five very distinguished religion. Whatever it might be, in that leaders of his Party once met in a templo-I context, .may I know (a) why is it that do not know if they had the honour of secular India takes interest in religious having your presence there; this is a state- institutions; and ment made by the Resident Editor of The Statesman-and it was there that a (b) What steps have the Government of big-I do not say conspiracy because that India taken to see ·that the religious centres is a bad word-decision was taken as to are not converted into centres of espionage, who should be the next Prime Minister of political activity and penetration of foreign India? I would like to know whether in money? • the assurance he gave, this kind of activity is also included. SHRI GOVINDA MENON : This is a bit of philosophical thought on which I SHRI GOVINDA MENON.: I do am not in a position to give an answer, not consider a discussion as to who should but for the last past, as to what Government be the head of a party government to be would do to see that religious institutions a matter of intrigue. do not become the refugee of intrigues, spies etc., I do not know what exactly MR. SPEAKER : Jawaharlal Nehru can be doue, but I will look into it and tell was ,alive then. There was no question of him later. any sUllCCSSOr. 23 Oral Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Oral Answers 24 SHRI RANGA : Whatever was done THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE in a great and big place like Tirupati cannot MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI PAI- be put to the account of Lord Venketeswara. MAL GHOSH) : (a) No such incident Therefore, I do not think that has anything has taken place in Railway factories during to do with religion or with the deity or with the last three years. the worshippers. Would the Minister be (b) Does not arise. good enough to enlighten the House whether he is aware of the existence of what is known (c) Generally these installations are either as the Hindu Religious Endowments Act provided with boundary walls or are fenced which was the first of its kind to be passed off with a view to regulate 'entry and exit in the whole of India? It was passed by so that any person whose presence may be the Madras Legislative A..embly, several prejudi,cial to the safety of the installation times amended and now it obtains in and interest of the State can be checked Madras as well as Andhra States. Accord- by the Railway Protectionoforce personnel. ing to it, the management of all the temples Special Intelligence Branch of the Railways is being carried on in a very systematic as well as of the state Government keep manner, more systematically than many an eye on the activities of the anti social of these State enterprises. and subversive elements. IliI' ci_i.,i(iqoi ~ : ~~ SHRI GOVINDA MENON : I have studied the Hindu Religious Endowments Recently to enable certain trains to bye- ~ «N «N ~ ~ armit pass the congested New Delhi and Delhi Main stations two projects namely ~~~~ ~~~~ Ghaziabad-Tughlakbad Goods Avoiding ~ ~ ~ Lines (including Second Yamuna Bridge) lllCfTlmf 'f>T ~ 'f>T ~ sr SHRI PARIMAL GHOSH I have ~ lfR ~ ~ '11: lit ~ already stated that we have already taken up the programme for electrification between ~~~~~ ~ ~ Delhi and Ghaziabad. The electrification ~ ~ ~ mr ~ ij";f. - ~ fit; Rtf ~~ 1969 ~ ~ ("') atif ~ fit;" f Earmarked assistance will be given for ultimate stage of the Pochampad Project this Project from 1969. may please be given. DR. K. L. RAO : Sir, with regard to the SHRI M. N. REDDY: Sir, I have gone various queries which the hon. Member through the statement. The statement is has raised in his preliminary statement, rather vague and evasive. He has not which I wish to answer before answering his given any information regarding the cost questions, I would like to tell him that there of the project and the amount so far spent is no power generation sanctioned in the or any information regarding power genera- project. There is no power in the Pocham- tion. I have put a very specific question pad Project. Secondly, the cost of the in regard to power generation. As far project is Rs. 40 erores, not for 20 lakh acres as my information goes the estimated cost but only for 5.7 lakh aeres. It is not possi- of this project is Rs" 42 erores to irrigate ble for me to say that it is the cheapest an area of 22lakh acres. This is the cheapest project because the figures are not correct. and the best project that can be conceived The hon. Member said that the money spent comparatively speaking. The period for was very little and so on. I wish to draw the the completion of this project was indicated attention of the hon. Member to this fact as six years. Although it is now seven that according to statistical information years since the work was started, not even available Andhra Pradesh has spent the Rs. 10 crores have been spent on this. largest amount of money on irrigation among Not only that, Sir, as you are well aware all the States from 1956 onwards. The of this area, in Telengana area the percentage amount spent is about Rs. 210 erores out of of cultivable area irrigated by canal is ";hich the amount spent on Telengana is less than 4 per cent in the entire area of Rs. 70 crores. Therefore, it is not clear from those nine districts. The hon. Minister the figures that no sufficient money was when he was a member of the CWPC in spent or less has been spent on Telengana. 1958 himself observed that Pochampad So, no distinction or discrimination was project is a potential granary of India if shown with respect to this. I quite agree it is immediately taken up and executed. that if we are able to spend more money we Such a project was neglected and not even can bring more areas under irrigation. 20 per cent of the work has so far been When Pochampad project and Nagarjuna- done. You may also see, Sir, that the total sagar project are completed, Telengana utilisation of Godavari water due to projects would have a fairly large amount of area constructed, under construction and to be under irrigation. constructed in Maharashtra in the next ten years will be less than 250 TMC while Corning to the specific questions of the the yield at Pocbampad is about 600 TMC. hon. Member, the first is about allocations. Thus there is a surplus of 350 TMC avail- The hon. Member is a very prosperous and able for Pochampad today. Even then flourishing lawyer himself. He can argue only 66 TMC has been allowed by the $en before the Godavari Tribunal and get more Minister in 1963 as envisaged in his state- water for Teleganga and Andhra Pradesh. meni made on 23rd March, 1963 before this With regard to the steps, of course, we have House. I want to know, therefore, from a comprehensive plan, a very good plan for the hon. MiDister (a) whether it is not high the development of Godavari. The whole time for the Central Government to come question is before tbe Tribunal. We cannot to the rescue of the Telengana region and give any order about the allocation. Here- people at this cribl juncture by increasing after it will depend on what the tribunal will the allocation of wat:r and thereby providing be able to give. irrigation for the entire 22lakh acres as ori- ginally proposed; (b) whether any steps have SHRI M. N. REDDY: What about the been taken to prepare a comprehensive master plan ? .Master Plan for the entire Godavari Basin by a central authority in pursuance of the DR. K. L. RAO : There is a plan. Every assurance given by the late Shri Hafeez data is available for Godavari. In fact, Mohamed Ibraqjm to this House through his Godavari is one of the rivers which was statement on 23rd March, 1963; and, if so, thoroUghly investigated by the thea Nizam details of such a Master Plan bearing on the Government and later also by tbe Andhra 35 Oral Answers APRIL 29. 1969 Oral Answers 36 Pradesh Government. It is true that the of any other project. For example, Tunga- Pochampad project, if it is completed, would bhadra project serves some scarcity areas. irrigate 20 lakh acres of land. It is a very Still, that project has not been given more good project. But the further progress of funds because they wanted to concentrate on the project will depend upon the availability only one project. But I can inform the hon. of water for which I would suggest the hon. Member that Tekngana will get more bone- Member himself may argue the case bl:fore fits from Nagarjunasagar than from even the tribunal. Pochlilllpad project. From Nagarjunasagar they will get 100 TMC water and irrigation SHRI M. N. REDDY: In regard to the of 6.6 acres ofland as against 5.7 lills acres delay the hon. Minister has said that there of land. Also, Nagarjunasagar will cover were not enough funds to execute this project more difficult areas like Nalgonda. Of costing Rs. 42 crores and, therefore, only course, I do not want to enter into a contro- Rs. 10 crores were so far spent. Is it versy on that point. lBut I want to submit not a fact that the Central Government have that Andhra Pradesh has spent the largest so far given a loan of more than Rs. 143 amount of money spent by any State in the crores to a single project, including Rs. 63 whole country for irrigation projects during crores under PL 480? I am referring to the the last twelve years. I may also say that Nagarjunasagar project, which is no doubt they have treated all parts of the State fairly a very important project. I blame the well. Central Government for this discrimination. They have given so far Rs. 143 crores or In regard to the question of taking over this more to Nagarjunasagar. How could they project, the Central Government does not fail to give a few crores of rupees for this take over any project, specially when there project, which is so important and which are good engineers and the work is going on quite nicely. envisages to irrigate 22 lakhs acres of land in six districts out of 9 districts of TelengaDa, In tlie case of the Pochampad Project we the backwardness of which I need not des- have now earmarked Central assistance. cribe because everybody knows it now and From this year onwards quite a large number that has been the subject of discussion during of projects in the country, nearly 35 projects, the last one month? It cannot be the finan- are being given Central assistance separately. cial consideration because if the Central It means that the money given to a project Government want, they are able to give more cannot be diverted to any other project. than Rs.143 crores for Nagarjunasagar. Therefore, I would ask of the hon. Minister I can assure the hon. Member that this whether the Central Government even at this project will be completed in the Fourth Plan late stage, would give an assurance of and the benefits will start ftowing from 1970 financial assistance or loan in a big way to itself. complete this project within the next three years, or, in the alternative, take up this In regard to the North Canal, at the mo- project in the Central sector? Secondly, ment the sanctioned project is not there but how much area is proposed to be irrigated the Adilabad area has got certain special under the north canal in the district of Adila- claims because a large number of villages bad at the first stage? Because you say which have to be submerged by Pochampad that 5.7 lakhs acres would be irrigated in belong to Adilabad area; they are entitled 1st stage. How much of ~ in Adila bad to some consideration. I hope, the State district,would be covered by the north canal, Government will take ~ into considera- because in that area more than 50,000 acres tion and adjust the areas under the Project of land have already been developed and so as to give some amount of water to areas they are now wanting water? on the north side also. I can tell the hon. Member that we have got a sluice provided DR. K. L. RAO : What the Government in the dam for serving the north side areas of India usually do is to concentrate on one also. important project in each State on the basis of project reports. What happened earlier SHRI SHIVAJIRAO S .. DESHMUKH: in Andhra Pradesh was that great emphasis siDce the mighty Godavari draws water was given to Nagarjunasagar to the exclusion from the Satpura, the Vindhya and the 31 Oral Answers VAlSAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Oral Answers 38 Sahyadri ani! has got surplus water in it, SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : I am would the hon. Minister be pleased to tell us glad that the hon. Minister has said that as to what exactly is the offstream utilisation Central assistance will he given to this pro- of the Godavari particularly in regard to ject. May I know whether this Central Upper Wardha, Upper Penganga, Pench and assistance wiU be outside the State Plan? Dudhganga and in the light of this offstream Then, he has stated that about 35 projects in utilisation what exactly is meant by stage the country will receive such Central assis- one of the Pochampad Project in terms of tance. In view of the fact that scarcity water requirement and utilisation ? conditions are prevailing in the Rayala- seema area and the Tungabhadra High Level DR. K. L. RAO : Stage one means 66 Project is one of such schemes which TMC of water to serve 5.7 lakh acres of could ward off scarcity conditions, may I mixed crop. Wity regard to the other part know whether the Tungabhadra Project of the question about Penganga etc., I am along with Pochampad Project will be given afraid, I cannot give any information now. Central assistance and that Central assis- tance will be outside the Plan ? SHRI RANGA : The hon. Minister, iong hefore he became a minister, gave us the idea MR. SPEAKER: You can persuade him that the Pochampad Project, if developed, to do it separately, not now. would henefit large areas of that place and some of us took it up; but then that was long DR. K. L. RAO : May I answer ? after Nagarjunasagar Project had heen tho- , MR. SPEAKER : I know, you know ught of, sanctioned and taken up. Therefore, the answers for all the projects. But my Nagarjunasagar Project was not benefited at fear is that then everyone will start raising the expense of Pochampad Project, and there all other projects, and it will be difficult for me should he no such wrong impression. to stop that. I too am interested in Pocham- pad and Tungabhadra. Now, may I know, in the Fourth Five Year Plan allotments that have heen asked SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH: for by the Andhra Government and agreed am asking about Pochampad. I want to to by the Government of India, what provi-- know whether the Central assistance will sion has heen made by way of finances; be outside the Plan. Secondly, he said that secondly, in the light of what is happening in about 35 projects in the country will receive Telengana, would the Government of India Central assistance. Will Tungabhadra give a fresh look at this matlelr and give some High Level Canal be one of those projects? special priority to Pochampad Project in regard to finances and take over not the DR. K. L. RAO : Central assistance will management and the execution of Pocham- be given to Pochampad and to Tungabhadra pad Project-Andhra engineers are quite also. This is not outside tile Plan but within competent-but only the financial respon- the Plan. sibility of it ? In view of the faot that this Rs. 150 crores or Rs. 200 crores that has heen SHRI HEM BARUA : Is it not a fact that spent by Andhra Government was not made negligence of this sort of the Telengana area, as a gift by the Government of India, the as is evidenced by the Pochampad Project, Government of India cannot claim any credit is the root cause of the present Telengana for it except ~ they have advanced a loan agitation and if so, may I know what steps to the Andhra Government and the Andhra Government have taken to see that this is not Government today is loaded with the there ? Not only the Andhra Pradesh interest thereupon. Government, but I have an impression that the Central Government is also neglecting DR. K.L. RAO : The full amount requir- Telengana. In that context, may I know ed for the completion of Pochampad Project what steps Government have taken to offer is provided in the Fourth Plan. As I said, the financial assistance for this project, so that Government of India has earmarked the Telengana might not be neglected? assistance fo .. the particular project so that no Government can divert it for other pur- DR. K. L. RAO : I am very glad to say poses. that, in the field of irrigation, there has been 39 Wrill-ell Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Written Answers 40 no discrimination so far as Telengana is con- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL cerned. What I bave stated is a fact. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE Out of Rs. 210 crores spent by the State, one- AND COMPANY AFFAIARS (SHRI third which is the sbare to be spent in F. A. AHMED): (a) and (b). A letter Telengana, bad been spent in that area. intent is being issued for one scheme for There is no question of any discrimination. setting up a new Winery unit in Andhra Pradesh. No foreign collabora- I am afraid. the Government of India will tion is involved in this scheme. Apart from not be able to give any special assistance be- this, ~ more applications for grant of cause there are a lot of areas which are licences under the Industries (Development backward. and Regulation) Act, 1951, are under con- sideration-one each in Andhra Pradesh, SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH .: Last Maharashtra, and Punjab" year you had given for five projects. (c) and (d). Intention to go in foreign technical collaboration only has been MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Achal Singh. indicated by the applicants in respect of the Let me see what he wants to ask about schemes relating to Andhra Pradesh and Pochampad Project. Mahrashtra. But no details thereof have been furnished. ~ ~ ~ ;;n;:r;tT ~ ~ If PIlferage of RaH ....y Goods fit; ;;IT ;rQ- ~ ~ ~ qq'f .q m '1389. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL ;;it ;rQ- ~ i(;f ~ ~ ~ if.T rom- ' Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased ~~ al ~~~ ~ to statc: s ~ n ~~ ~ (a) whether Government have received complaints that members of the Railway if.Tfuiro;m- ? Protection Force are themselves instrumen- tal in causing pilferage of railway goods; MR. SPEAKER: Now we take up calI- (b) whether it is a fact that the creation of attention. Mr. Kameshwar Singh . the Railway Protection Eorce has not proved a success; and (c) whether it is also a fact that the Rail- way Protection Force is costing more than what has been saved because of the creation WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS of the Force? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS Winery Plants witb Foreign Collaboration (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) Some stray cases have been reported. '1388. DR. SUSHILA NAYAR : Will tbe (b) No, Sir. Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND (c) This is not a fact. The Railway Pro· COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: tection Force have rendered valuable servi:e in guarding Railway property and combating (a) whether there is any proposal under crime. During emergencies ~ have also consideration of Government to establish assisted the State Police in guarding vulnera- Winery/Grape Juice Plant in the country; ble installations, etc. Services rendered by (b) if so, the number and names of the the Railway Protection Force cannot be States where these plants will be located; evaluated in terms of money. (c) whether these industries will be set up Hinduslan Motors Limited with the collaboration of some foreign firms; "1390. SHRl BEDABRATA BARUA and Will the Minister of INDUiiTRlAL DE- (d) if so, the details of the scheme and VELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND financial implications thereof1 COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 41 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 42 (a) whether the Hindustan Motors ( II" ) ~ f.fqfu ~ fiI;cr:iT f.mft Limited have applied ,for expansion in order to produce a large number of cars; l!iIT 'I>'t am!" ~ ? (b) if so, whether this has been allowed; and ~ ~ 'Imi' ,iilir'iqf(1f Qt (c) the foreign exchange component in the (.n ",0 ~o ~ : ("') am: (11"). expansion cost? (b) whether it is a fact that the police Cemeat Plant in Madhya PradeIIh found a ItIqe number of liquor bottles in a 1393. SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: car which was driven by two sons of a candi- SHRI YASHWANT SINGH date; and KUSHWAH: (c) if so, the details of the case? t Will the Minister' of INDUSTRIAL, DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE THE MINISTER OF LAW AND SO- AND COMPANX AFFAIRS be pleased CIAL WI3LFARE (SHRI GOVINDA to state: MENON) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. (a) whether it is a fact that in the opinion (c) The case is under investigation. of experts, as per the. project and survey report, the site of Suwakhera (near Nee- AsIan Productivity Orpqllatioa much, Madhya Pradesh) is highly satisfac- tory having regard to the quality of raw °1395. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH material. and ether facilities and require- MAHIDA: ments for the establishment of a cement SHRI SITARAM KESRI : plant; SHRICHENGALRAYANAIDU: (b) if so, the reasons for not according SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: immediate sanction by Government for implementation of the project; and Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- VELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (c) the expenditure incurred on survey and AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to preparation of the project report and analysis state: of the raw materials ? (a) whether it is a fact ·that India bas THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL offered assistance to the Asian Productivity DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE Organisation to make it an effective forum AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. for mutual cooperation and industrial AHMED) : (a) According to Project report growth; the site of Suwakhera near Necmuch (b) if so, the nature of asilitance offered; (Madhya Pradesh) is not so satisfactory in and respect of techno-econoinical aspects Com- pared to another site where a plant is under (c) the reaction of Asian Productivity implementation now, namely Mandhar near Organisation thereto ? Raipur, Madhya Pradesh. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (b) It bas ~ decided that the -additional DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE capacity to be set up ill the public sector by AND COMPANY AFFAIRS fsHRI F. A. the Cement Corporation should henceforth AHMED): (a) Yes, Sir. This offer be only in the deficit areas; Madhya Pradesh was made in the ninth workshop Meeting the is not deficit in cement: of Heads of National Productivity Organisa- (c) Rs. 6.22lakhs. tions of the Member Countries of the Asian Productivity Organisation (APO) held in Ulle of Liquor in EIectIoa Campai&D India during January, 1969. .1394. SHRI MANlBHAI J. PATEL (b) The assistance offered by India is of Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL its expertise for rendering teclmo-mana- WELFARE be pleased to state: aerial services on short-term basis to the 45 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 46 member countries of the APO provided the B. R. Shenoy pointed out that Foreign and cost of international travel and per-diem Indian firms had taken active steps to pull allowance of such experts are borne by the out of Calculla and West Bengal by stages; APO or the concerned host member country. India has also offered to provide technical (b) if so, whether there is any substance in and managerial training facilities in the this statement of Prof. B. R. Shenoy; and country without incurring any foreign (c) the actual position in respect of capital currency liability. investment etc. in West Bengal ? (c) The Secretary-General of the APO THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL and the delegates from the member DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE countries, particularly from Japan, Iran, AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. Phillippines, Ceylon and Nepal evinoed AHMED): (a) and (b). Professor B. R. great keenness to ~ the services of Indian Shenoy is reported to have stated: "I under- experts from time to time. stand that certain reputable foreign and Indian firms have taken active steps to pull Invalid Votes During Mid-term Elections Ollt of Calcutta and West Bengal, by stages, one to Bombay and the others to New °1396. SHRI N. R. LASKAR : Will the Delhi". According to information available Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL WEL- during the years 1966, 1967 and 1968, 24 FARE be pleased to state: Indian companies shifted their registered offices from West Bengal to other States. (a) whether it is a fact that there had been During the same period, 14 companies shifted a large number of invalid votes in the mid- their registered offices from other States to term polls in West Bengal, Bihar, U. P. and West Bengal. Punjab; (b) if so, whether the main reasons of (c) The paid up capital of companies these invalid votes was the new system of at work in West Bengal has increased from voting introduoed by the Election Com- Rs. 546.4 crores in 1965-66 to Rs. 603.6 mission; and erores in 1968-69. 365 new companies with authorized capital of Rs. 58.7 crores were (c) if so, what steps are being taken to registered in 1965-66. In 1968-69. 200 corn- educate the people about this new system to panies with authorized capital of Rs. 10.9 avoid the n ~ n number of invalid erores were registered. votes ? THE MINISTER OF LAW AND ~ ~ mm.'t ~ ~ if;r SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI GOVINDA ~ ~ 11ft <'fit" if "{!'RT MENON): (a) No, Sir. The numb"r of invalid votes in the mid-term elections held * 1398. ~ ~ If< for promotion to the posts of Assistant Sta- ( iF ) 'flIT ~ fl ~ fiI; arflll<'l' 'IIroftlf tion Masters and Station Masters. :This is ~ ~ Jfwi'lf 3f1fiIT provided for on most of the Railways in m l!t'l the accepted channel of promotion and ~~~~~ accordingly the concerned staff are being 'f>T ;flfuf'lIT fW ~ considered for promotion. The category of. m Relieving Transportation Assistants exists ~ 'fIff ~ 'Iff fl ~ fit; ~ 'filf- on Eastern, South Eastern and Northern {l.'ifi' lffcrf.rf!:T ~ ~ Railways and the channel of promotion on ;nfui'f 'f>T those Railways provide for their considera- ~ ~ ~ i!iT f'lm "IT 3lT( tion for promotion to higher grade posts. ~ ~ am ~ ~ Q't (no '(1q ~ ~ *1401. ~ IM14it«"i .. ~ : (iF) ~ iIT ~~~~ Setting up of Industries *1402. ~ ~ smR : *1403. SHRI R. K. BIRLA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- ~ qo ,"0 ~ :: MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- ~~ PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 'flIT ~ ~ ~~ '!itW'lTm (a) whether it is a fact that Government fit;: are contemplating to set up industries in 51 Written ns~ s APRIL 29, 1969 Wrin"" ns~ s 52 to stop influx of population from rural (d) if so, whether it is propos,d to cans- 0.ueas to cities; and truct an overbridge as has been demanded by the-local people? (b) if so, the details thereof? TIIE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. ~ r.NTERNAL TRADE RAM SUBHAG SINGm : (a) Yes, Sir. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED) : (a) and (b). The Rural Industries (b) No, Sir. The gates do not remain Project Programme is one of the schemes closedoognally for more than seven minutes which aims at stopping the influx of popula- at a stretch. tion from rural areas to cities. This was sponsored as a Centrally Sponsored Scheme (c) No, Sir. during 1962 in 49 selected rural areas in 15 States and 4 Union Territories of Goa, (d) So far there is no Ifrm proposal from Himachal Pradesh, Tripura and Manipur. the State Government/Road Authority for Each of the areas comprises of 3-5 Commu- the construction of a rold over/under bridge nity Development Blocks and a population in replacement of the existing level cro3Sing of 3-5 lakhs. The planning and implemen- at Kulti. tation of the prOgnulune in the project areas is the responsibility of the State Governments and the Centre provides neces- sary financial assistance and technical gui- dance. ·1405. SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased The content of the programme comprise to state: mainly of promotional activities such as development of skill through traiDing (a) whether it is a fact that o n ~n in improved methods and techniques announced certain increase in the percentage of production, provision of common facility of promotional quota for Class I, Il and III services, assistance in marketing, guidance in employees working on the Indian Railways; techniall and technological matters, provision of extension services and loan assistance to (b) whether Government are ~ n in small industrial units for land, building, view the plight of Stenographers on the In- machinery and working capital. dian Railways; A number of other promotional measures (e) if so, haw far ~ Ste)lDgraphers have also been taken by the Government to are likely to be benefited as a result of increase encourage the establishment of small' scale in their promotional percentage of quota; industries in rural' and backward areas. and OYerbridge in Kultl Town In District Bunhran (d) if the ns ~ to part (b) abo/e be in .1404. SHRI DEVEN SEN : Will the the negative, the reasons therefor ? Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that the town of THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. KUJtl in district Burdwan is divided into two RAM SUBHAG SINGm : (a) to (d). ~ parts by the Railway lines that pass from increase in the percentage ofl-promotional Howrah to Delhi and from Delhi to quota for any class of Railway employees has Howrah; been made. Some Class I posts have, how- ever, been recently upgraded in consideration (b) whether it is a fact that because of of the increase in their work-load and res- absence of an overbridge, people from one ponsibilities. The question of providing side have to wait sometimes for even two some relief to Class III staff, including the hours; ~ o o stenographers, who have been at (c) whether -Government are aware that it the maximum of their pay scalesfpr some time often becomes difficult for pregnant women is undel" investigation. The examination will to come in time to hospitals; and be completed as soon as possible. , S3 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 54 Loading of Food Stuffs at Selected RaHway materials from the Centre in the last many Stations months; *1406. SHRI S. KUNDU Will the (b) if so, the reasons therefor; Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (c) whether this has created a serious crisis in the industry; and (a) whether Government propose to use large number of open wagons for loading (d) if so, the steps taken to ensure ade- and carrying foodstuffs on account of the quate supply of raw materials to the indus- Rabi crop; try? (b) whether it is a fact that the Railways THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL propose to load wheat from a few selected DEVELOPMENT INTERNAL TRADE stations only; and • AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI 'F. A. AHMED) : (a) to (d), There is an acute (c) whether it is a fact that the Railways shortage of B. p, sheets of 16-20G and thin- have failed to meet the traffic requirement ner than 200. This shortage is felt through- for moving foodstuffs from Orissa and out the country. The allocation of B. P. Andhra Pradesh to Kerala and other sheets made to West Bengal under the Small plaees in the Sputh? Scale Industries Quota for 1968-69 was as under: THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) No, Sir. 16-2OG 1776 M. Tons But in view of the heavy concentration of !binner than 20G 1602 M. Tons. foodgrain traffic immediately after harvest- ing and procurement and the commitments Efforts are being made to get more alloca- of Railways for loading other priority tion of these categories of sheets for the small traffic as well offered during the peak Rabi scale sector. season, use of some open wagons for move- ment of foodgrain traffic may be necessary. These wagons will be secured with tarpau- Report of Tarilf Commission on prices lins and escorted by Railway Security Staff of Automobiles when in block rakes. *1408. SHRI D. N. PATODIA : (b) Movement of foodgrains from surplus States to deficit States is arranged in aca>r- SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA: dance with the programmes settled in C0- Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- ordination Meetings among representatives, VELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND of Railways, Ministry of Food, Food Cor- COMPANY AFFAIRS be pielsed to state: poration of India and the State Governments concerned.' Booking points are also settled (a) whether it is a fact that as yet no deci- in such meetings. .ion could be taken by Government on the report of the Tariff Commission regarding (c) No, Sir. On the contrdry, movement prices of Automobiles; has often outstripped the unloading capacity causing detention to wagons. (b) if so, the reasons for delay; and (c) when a decision will be taken in this Supply of Raw t.hteriaI for EagiDeeriDg regard? IDdastry ill West BeagaI THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL '1407. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE Minister of· INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND AHMED): (a) Yes, Sir, COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) and (c), The examination of the Re- (a) whether Ihe engineering industry in port threw up a number of points on which the smaIl scale ktor in West Bengal had further discussions with the Tariff Com- not been getting the required supply of raw mission were considered necessary. These SS Written Answers APRil. 29, 1969 Written Answers S6 discussions are, at present, in progress. A AND HEAVY ENGINEERING be pleased decision on the report, it is hoped, will be to state: taken in a month or two. (a) whether his attention has heen drawn to the judgement delivered by the Additional Judicial Commissioner of Ranchi in a case Working Conditioos of the Labourers in wherein four persons have been punished for Bokaro Steel Plant various terms of imprisonment on account of their being involved in a conspiracy and ·1409. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : setting fire to the Foundry Forge Plant of SH,RI YOGENDRA SHARMA: Heavy 'Engineering Corporation, Ranchi, in September and December 1964; Will the Minister of STEEL AND HEAVY ENGINEERING be pleased to (b) if so, whether he has further caused state: investigations to be mve and whether he is satisfied that there are no such enemy agents (a) whether Hindustan Steel Works in ,the said Corporation or other public Construction Ltd. has employed a number undertakings under him; and of Sub-contractors and petty contractors fvr the construction of o ~ Steel Plant; (c) if not, whether any investigations are o o~ to be made to ensure that there are no such agents anywhere in the public under- (h) if so, the total number of such con- takings which may further cause any damage tractors; io the installations 1 (c) the terms of agreement betwee'n Hindustan Steel Works Construction Ltd. , THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND and such contractors in regard to the work- HEAVY ENGINEERING (SHRI C. M. ing conditions of the labourers; and POONACHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. (h) and (c). The judgement is now under (d) the steps taken by Hindustan Steel scrutiny, and action considered necessary Works Construction Ltd. to enforce the will be taken. No special investigation has terms of agreement by other contractors? been undertaken, but security arrangements do exist to protect the plant against possible 1llE MINISTER OF STEEL AND sabotage and consequent damage. HEAVY ENGINEERING (SHRI C. M. POONACHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. . Tractor Project at Loni, Uttar Pradesh (b) 12 Zonal contractors for the main Civil Engineering Zones, and 53 smaller contrac- 7950. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will tors/suppliers for works and materials. the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (c) Extracts for the agreement relating to MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- the working conditions of the labourers are PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: placed on the Table of the House. [Placed (a) the value and quantity of equipment in Library. See No. LT-943/69]. proposed to be imported for the Tractor Project at Loni in U tlar Pradesh; (d) Hindustan Steelworks Construction Ltd. has an Industrial Relations Section under (b) the details of collabor;(ion with Soviet a Senior Personnel Officer. who is on deputa- Russia; tion from the Labour Department of the (c) the size of the tyres necessary for the Govemment of Bihar, to enforce observance proposed Loni-produced tractors and whe- of the terms of the agreement. ther these odd-sized lyres will have to be purchased from Soviet Russia; Conspiracy In Heavy Engineering Corpora- tion, Rancbl (d) whether the fl.ve existing tractor manu- facturers protested against Government's .1410. SHRI BEN! SHANKER decision of starting the Loni' project; if so SHARMA: Will the Minister of STEEL the reasons for the protest; 57 Written Answers VAISAKHA9, 1891 Development of Tribal Areas (b) whether these posts were regularised by the Chief Personnel Officer and seniority 7952. SHRI D. V. SINGH: Will the lists published twice i.e. in 1963 and 1964 Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL WELFARE and the officers were informed accordingly; be pleased to state: (c) whether the Chief Personnel Officer, (a) whether in view of the growing Tribal South Eastern Railway in a letter dated the unrest in tbe different parts of the country, 3rd December, 1966, had unsettled the especially in Madhya Pradesh (more above position and asked the holders of the specially in Bastar), Government have above posts i.e. Enquiry-cum-Reservation drawn out any comprehensive programme clerks to appear at the interview in Calcutta for the development of the tribaIs and tribal for appointment to the said posts; areas, with a view to taking the tribals with the mainstream of the country's develop- (d) if so, whether ,this has been done to ment, for implementation under the Fourth har employment to some of those employees Five Year Plan ; already employed; (b) if so, the details of the schemes, area- (e) whether the said order of C. P. O. wise, with respect to each of the States of calling for the Enquiry-cum-Reservation Madhya Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, Andhra clerks to the fresh selection 1>:15 been rescin- Pradesh and Gujarat and the Union terri- ded; and tories of Tripura and Manipur, and financial outlay for each of them; (f) if not, the reason thereof? (c) whether the opinion of the Madhya Pradesh Government has been sought as THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. regards the adequacy of the schemes and RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) to (f). The financial allocations therefor; and information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. (d) if so, the reaction of the Madllya Pradesh Government to it ? Mis. Synthetie and Chemicals Ltd. and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Mis. Kilachaod Devichaod and Co. Ltd. MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE 7954. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will [DR. . (SHRIMATI) PHULRENU the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- GUHAl : (a) to (d). The development MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND schemes in the draft Fourth Five Year Plan COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: have been incorporated after due consulta- tions with State Governments, and in (a) whether the Company Law Board had the light of the Socio-economic conditions recommended in 1965-66 that changes be in- of the tribes, financial allocations and corporated in the Sole selling Agency Agree- details of schemes for the States will be ment between Mis. Synthetics and Chemi- decided after the Fourth Five Year Plan is cals Ltd. and Mis. Kilachand Devichand finalised. However, the major schemes for and Co. (Pvt) Ltd.; educational assistance and Tribal Develop- ment Blocks will be continUed during the (b) if so, the changes recommended and Fourth Plan period. reasons thereof; ,. (c) whether it is a fact that the recom- Posts of Enquiry-cum-R-.-vatlon Clerks mendations were ignored when the Agree- iD Kbonla Road Statlon ment 'was renewed on the 18th February, 1969; 7953. SHRI S. KUNDU : Will the Minis- ter of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (d) if so, the action taken in the matter; and (a) the number of posts of Enquiry-cum- Reservation clerks filled up by the Divisional (0) whether there is a o ~ by aU. S. firm Superintendent, Khurda Road Station, to take over Synthetics and Chemicals Ltd. South Eastern Railway, from 1951 to 1967; by cornering the majority of shares therein? 61 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (d) Should the agreement now proposed DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE be approved by the company at its General AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. Meeting, the matter will be considered by the AHMED): (a) and (b). The Company Law Board and action taken to the extent per- Board had suggested certain variations in the missible and found necessary. Agreement which are briefly as follows: (e) The Department has no information. (i) Sales proceeds were to be deposited with the principal Company within sixty days. Licence for AHoy Steel Project to Birias (ii) No commission should be paid in 7955. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will respect of sales made to those con- the Minister of STEEL AND HEAVY sumers borne on the register of the ENGINEERING be pleased to state: . D.G.T.o., whohavebeenrequired (a) whether it is a fact that the Birlas have by the Government to furnish proposed that their Alloy Steel Project in confirmation letters that they would Bihar should be converted into Birla Jute purchase iildigenous synthetic rub- Manufacturing Company ; and ber from the company to the extent allocated tei them by the Govern- (b) if so, whether Government are think- me!lt. ing of modifying the original licence given to the Birlas for an independent alloy steel (iii) Commission on export sales should plant? not exceed 2i % of the net selling price. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY , The", variations were suggested with a ENGINEERING (SHRI K. C. PANT) view to making it obligatory on the part of (a) Yes, Sir. Sole selling Agents to recover the sale pro- ceeds and make payment thereof within a (b) The request is under examination. specified time-limit;, to ensure that no sales commission was paid in respect of the sales Imp!ementation of Yardl CommIttee made to units borne on the register of Recommendations D.G.T.D. as no sale efforts were called for in ",.pect of such sale,; and· that a fixed 7956. SHRI SURAl BHAN : Will the percentage of commission was paid in Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL WEI,. respect of export sales. FARE be pleased to state: However, after considering the written (3) whether it is a fact that some recom- and oral representations of the company as mendations of the Yardi Committee were well as sole selling agents and taking into forwarded by the Government of India to the account the fact that allocations were by them State Governments/Administrations of the no longer being made and the company had UI)oion Territories for consideration and to find its own market and also that no higher necessary action; commission was fixed for chemicals, no fer- (b) if so, the date(s) on which the same mal orders varying the terms of sole-selling were forwarded to them; and agency agreement were issued' and they were allowed to dr.,., commission as per the terms (c) the names of the States indicating the of agreement during the period of agreement. recommendations accepted, implemented The company was, however, advised to keep and not accepted by them and the reasons the suggestions of the Company Law Board therefor? in mind while renewing the Sole Selling Agency Agreement in 1968. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE (c) From a perusal of the renewal agree- DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE ment; it would appear that the company has [DR. (SHRIMATI) PHULRENU GUHA]: not considend the suggestion of the Com- (3) Yes, Sir. pany Law Board. The company has there- fore been asked to clarify the matter. (b) 24th August, 1968. 63 Written A.nswers APRIL 29, 1969 Written A.nswers 64 (c) The recommendations forwarded are f.!'fu ('1\") 'flJT ~ m ~ a'1I1 ~ ~ '"" ("" (b) if so, the reasons therefor; ~~ : ('1\") ~ (tT). 1fmr ~ (c) whether Government are aware that ~ ~ ~ (6) generally the number of passengers travelling from Agra side to Delhi is much less than the ~ ~ ~ 3fl:ft;r w. crT. 27 total number of seats available in the third 1960 ~~ ~ class compartments whose destination is 11 ~ (finTl to check up whether there has been any Late Departure of Frontier Mail from change in the position. Deihl Station (d) and (e). The matter will be reviewed after the results of the assessment referred to 7960. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR in part (c) become available. SINGH : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (a) the number of times Frontier Mail Industrial De.elopment Schemes with from Delhi In. to Bombay Central started Foreign Collaboration late during January, 1969 and February, 1969 (separately) ; 7959. SHRI S. M. SOLANKI : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (b) the reasons for this late running of MENT, ~ TRADE AND such an important train from Delhi; COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to stale: (c) the actkn Government took against those who were responsible for this late run- (a) the number and names of industrial ning; and development schemes for which foreign colla- boration was secured during 1967 and 1968; (d) the action Government propose to take and to see that all trains leaving ~ Delhi are punctual ? (b) the names of foreign countries which collaborated and the extent of financial THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. investment made by each of the foreign R'AM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) 13 in collaborator? January and 3 in February. (b) Late starts to 4 Up Frontier Mail have THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL been occasioned mostly due to late arrival DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE from Amritsar caused by cases of alarm AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. chain pulling, control failures due to thefts AHMED): (a) The number of foreign of railway equipment, etc., resulting in dis- collaboration cases approved during the year location of its running schedule on the 1967 and 1968 was 183 and 132 respectively. saturated single line sections eoroute. Quarterly lists of foreign collaboration cases indicating inter alia the names of Indian (c) The staff found responsible for avoi- and foreign parties, the items of manufacture, dable detentions have been suitably taken up. whether a case involves foreign capital parti- cipation and other particulars are published (d) A special punctuality drive has been in the journal of industry and Trade, copies launched to improve the running of this of which are available in the Parliament train and the train 'left Delhi late on only Library. one day during March '69 and right time on all days during April '69 (upto 20th). (b) The names of the countries include U.K., U.S.A., West Germany, Japan, A close watch is maintained on the right France, Switzerland, Sweden; Italy, Holland, time departures of trains from Delhi/ Australia, Austria, Canada, East Germany, New Delhi stations and every feasible effort Bulgaria, Belgium Czechoslovakia, Den- is being made to eliminate late starts to mark, Greece, .,Hungary, Norway, New trains from these points. Zealand, U. S. S. R., Yugoslavia etc. Shuttle Train (rom Delbi to Faridabad The number of foreign collaboration cases approved during the years 1967 and 1968, 7961. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR which alsojnvolved foreign capital participa- SINGH: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS 'tion was 62 and 30 respectively. By and be pleased to state: large, only minority foreign capital partici- pation was allowed in these cases, except I (a) whether in spite of the rapid growth of case in 1967 atTd 3 cases in 1968 were where the Faridabad Industrial belt, there is no majority foreign capital participation was shuttle train available for industrial workers allowed. from Delhi, between 7 a. m. and 8. a. m. 67 Written Answers APRIL 29,1969 Written Answer! 68 for Faridabad/Ballabgarh side and vice-versa Halt dIarges for Spedal Coaclles from Faridabad side between 4.30 p. m. and 6.30 p.m.; 7963. SHRI S_ M. SOLANKI: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (b) whether Government are aware that a lot of industrial workers have to travel by (a) what was the halt charge for the special rehras and tongas upto Badarpur Tughlaka- coaches per hour upto the end of 1968 and bad and then catch buses for Delhi and "hat is the increased halt charge for the special coaches now; . Faridabad and thus suffer a lot of hardship; and (b) whether it is a fact that the increased halt charge is excessive as there is no in- (c) if so, whether Government propose to crease in railway ticket fare in the general start a shuttle service between the above budget of 1969; stations on the above timings? (c) whether Government will reconsider THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. to decrease the halt charge for the special RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) Yes. How- coaches; and ever 2 NDF shuttle leaving New Delhi at (d) if not, the reasons therefor? 06.00 and arriving Faridabad at 07.00 hours provides a morning service and 363 On. Mathura-Delhi passenger leaving Faridabad THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. at 17.27 and arriving New Delhi at 18.45 RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Uptil 31st hours and evening train fqr workers. December, 1968, detention charges for reserved carriages were Re. 1 per hour per (b) No. eight-wheeled carriage regardless of the class of carriage. From 1st January, 1969, (c) No. these charges have been revised to Rs. 15 per hour per eight-wheeled coach for tbe air- conditioned class and Rs. 5 per bour per RmmiDg of Shuttle Trains on Ne.. DeIbi- eight-wbeeled coacb for otber classes. Safdarjang Branch Line (b) to (d). The detention charges as in 7962_ SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR force upt031-12-1968 were fixed decades ago. SINGH: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS While the passenger fares were revised be pleased to state: from time to time, the detention charges were not. As tbe revision has been (a) the justification for running of three done after so many decades, the enbance- shuttle services on New Delhi-5afdaJjung ment apparently is excessive but intrinsically Branch line round 10 a.m. 12 noon and is not so since the revised rates have been 3 p.m. and vice-versa when there is hardly based on tbe present day costs. The revised an:( traffic available at these odd timings on rates being based on costs, there is no justi- those trains; and ficatinn for reducing them. (b) the total loss of revenue suffered by the Railways as a result of running of these shuttle trains on this Branch line, since the introduction of those shuttles there? 7964. SHRI HEM RAJ : Wiu the Minister THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) The running of these services on the New Delhi-Safdar- (a) whether any representation has been jung suburban line is operationally neces- received by Government for the construction sary for balancing of train rakes for peak of a goods siding at Kandrori Railway Sta- hour locals. tion on tbe Jullundur-Pathankot section of the Northern Railway;,and" (b) Figures of earnings and loss train wise are not maintained. (b) if so, the action taken thereon ? 69 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 70 THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. (2) System of App. II A examination RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) A proposal should be abolished by replacing it was received from the Chief Minister, Hima- with a simple suitability test. chal PJ;adesh in February, 1969. (3) Stagnation of clerks in lower grade (b) Tlie matter is under investigation. sbould be remedied. Acquisition of Bhakra Railway Line (c) All tbese demands bave been examined and it bas not been found possible to accede 7965. SHRI HEM RAJ : Will the Minister to tbe demands mentioned at (1) and (2). of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: Regarding demand (3), the question of pro- viding some relief to those wbo may have (a) the progress made for the acquisition reached the maximum of the grade Rs. of the Bhakra Railway line from Nangal to 11 ().-I80 is under consideration, along with Bhakra by the Bl'&kra Control Board; and similar measures in respect of otber categ()o (b) by what time the acquisition is likely ries of staff. to be completed? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. Quota of C. I. Sheets for Trlpnra RAM SUIVIAG SINGH) : (a) Presumably. the Hon'ble Member is referring to the ques- 7967. SHRI KIRIT BIKRAM DEB tion of taking over the Bhakra railway line BURMAN : Will the Minister of INDUs.. from Nanga] to Bhakra from the Bhakm TRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL Control Board by the Northern Railway. 'TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be The matter is under examination. pleased to state: (b) Does not arise. (a) whether it is a fact that most of the quota of C. I. Sheets allotted for Tripura is Demands of AU India Ungraded RaHway sold outside Tripura at prices mucb bigber Acconnts Staff Assoclatioo than the fixed price and as a result people in Tripum cannot get C. I. sheets at control- 7966. SHRI MOHAMAD ISMAIL : led or otherwise reasonable rate; and SHRI B. K. MODAK : (b) if so, the steps being taken to ensure SHRI GANESH GHOSH : that Tripum's C. I. sheets quotas do not find 'their way out of Tripura ? SHRI P. P. ESTHOSE: SHRI K. M. ABRAHAM: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DE- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : VELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be AHMED) : (a) and (b). Informaticn is being pleased to state. collected and will be laid on the Table of the (a) whether he received any memorandum House. from the All India Ungraded Railway Accounts Staff Association on the 7th ~~ ~ March,1969; mlif 'lfR: anRIf ~~~~~ (b) if so, tl!It main demands of tbeir em- ployees; and 7969• ..n ~ f1Rrl'if: (c) the steps taken by Government to ful- n~~ fil tbe demands? ..n ~ ~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. n ~ : RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. pm'li'f\'llpm: (b) The main demands are: . ~ ~ ~ ~ lI' ~~~~ ~~ ..". ~Q ~o ~~~ ('f>") ii'!T rn fiI; : ;;fT ~ I ('f>") 3I1W'ffl;;nfu'l:ff ~ 3T'!W'ffl (.) ~ ~ I arrfGl1 ;;ffiam' (IT) 'flIT ~ ~ ~ ~ rn 7972. DR, SUSffiLA NAYAR: Will ~ ~ ~ 'fi"T flf (b) if SO, the site selected for the same; and (7) Statement showing Central Assis- tance sanctioned to the State Go- (c) the financial implications thereof? vernment of Orissa for the Deve- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL lopment of Industrial Cooperatives. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRl F. A Change of MIUIIIed Level Crossings into AHMED) : (a) No, Sir. Over-Bridges in Greater Bombay (b) and (c). Do not arise. 7974. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased LoaDs to firms in Orissa to state: (a) the number of manned or autom1ti- 7973. SHRI CillNTAMANI 'PAN!-' cally operated level crossings within the GRAHl: Will the Minister of INDUS- Municipal limits of Greater Bombay; TRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INI'ERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be (b) whether the Railways have any scheme pleased to state the names of persons, firms to build over-bridges at all these level cross- and companies to whom loans for industrial ings in co-operation with the Municipal development have been sanctioned in Orissa Corporation of Greater Bombay; and during 1966-67, 1967-68 and 1968-69. (c) the likely expenditure that may have to be incurred to build these over-bridges? THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE • THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) There are 41 AHMED) : The following statements are manned level crossings of which 16 are provi- laid on the Table of the House. [Placed ded with lifting type barrier gates. in Library. See No. LT-945 169]. (b) There are proposals to construct 21 (1) Statement showing loans sanctioned road over/under bridges and 14 foot over- to individuals, firms and Companies bridges. Work on 3 Road overbridges is in for development of Industries in the progress. Work for construction of two foot Orissa State during the period from overbridges has also been sanctioned. The 1966-67 to 1968-69 by the State remaining proposals would be taken up on Government. a programmed basis depending upon the priorities to be given by the State Govern- (2) Statement showing Loans sanc- ment/Bombay . Municipal Corporation tioned to Cooperative Societies by and the requisite funds made available to the Addl. R. C. S. Orissa. meet road authority's share of the cost (3) Statement showing the list of indus- involVed. tries assisted by the Orissa State (c) It is too early to indicate at this stage, Financial Corporation during the as most of the proposals are still in their pre- year 1966-67; 1967-68 and 1968-69. liminary stages and plans have not yet been (4) Statement showing names of persons, finalised. firms and Companies to whom loans for industrial development have been sanctioild in Orissa during the last t\U'ee financial years by lFe, ICICI 7975. '" ~ mm: and lOBI. ~ (5) Statement showing the State Aid ~ ~~ Loan advanced from 1-4-65 to 31-3-69. ~ ~ Qt ~ iflT !i'IT 6) Statement showing loans sanctioned rn f.I; : by the.Salt Dept!. for development of Salt Works in Orissa during ~ ~ ~ ~ 1968-69. ~~ ~ ~ 'ffu:ir.r- 75 Written Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Written Answers 76 'fTaif ~ n ~~ ~ ~ am:: ~ ~ '!>roIl"11 if iAm1!1n ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ott 'Ilffi ott ~ ~ (V) ~~ ~ a1fT ~ c;;i\f.,qf('i ~ IIm'rr if m"{Q't ~ ~ : ('Ii") 7978. ~ ~ ~ ~ : 'flIT 0Cil1f, f.ro?c, om: am:: atm:'1" ~ if; ~ ~ 1l' ~~~~ o ~ '1ft (Iir) ~ 'Ii't ~~ '11 ~ ,! m 1i;ft ('C'!o ~ ~ ~ : 'fllT ~ 1im ~ ~ it>'T FIT ('ti) 343 ~~ •I rnfifi : (.-) af1ft ~ ornTofT ~ ~ ~ flti ('ti) 'fllT ~ n ~ f'li '{.,.f ~ 1ff;If m ~ rn mAT 'n: ~ ;m- ~ ,,;it ~ o U'f 'J1I'lf ~ 7979. 15ft' ~ 'IR ~ 'fllT ('ti) ~ I ~~ n (.-) ~ ('fl'). 'I1q ~~ ~ o mWof No estimate has yet been prepared of the value of the consultancy services likely to be ~~ ~ I ~~ ~ required for the Fourth Five Yeu Plan ConIUitlmcy Expenditure in Fourth Five Classification of Industrieo Year Plan 7982. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 7981. SHRIB.K.DAS CHOWDHURY: SHRI SITARAM KESRI : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND VELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Retention PrIce of Cement A. AHMED) : (a) to (c). The information is being collected and it will be laid on the 7986. DR. SUSHILA NAYAR : ' Table of the House. SHRI A. SREEDHARAN SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Electric Bulbs in EX)IrI!IS/MalI Traiu on North aDd North-East Frontier Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL Eastern Railways DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased 7988. SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD : to state : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased (a) whether the Prices, Production and to state : Export Committee of the Union Cabinet (a) whether it is a fact that most of the to go into the question of increasing cement Express/Mail Trains arC not fitted with retention prices has finalised its report; electric bulbs, while in the cases of passenger (b) if so, the conclusion arrived at; and trains, the condition is most deplorable on the North-Eastern and North-East Frontier (c) the decision of Government thereto? Railways; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (b) if so, the reasons therefor ;.and ~ INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS ~ "'" (WlO ~ ~ ~ ) : of Tamil Nadu, Mysore, Andaman and (if) ~ (if). ~ n ~ Nicobar Islands, Pondicherry, Laccadives, Chandigarh and Tripura in addition to ~~ ~~ lfriW-r'liT those mentioped in answer to the Unstarred ~ ~ 2-1-1969 .ifllflll ~ fiflffllcr ~ been reoeived from the Governments '1ft ~ ~ sr 1,910 34 25,426 12,10) , 39,470 (\g") am: (IT). ~ ~ n~ ~ ~~ ~ o o ~ ~ 'liT ~ ~ I If'" if f'lllT'rf ~ ~ if.T;;mit ~ I fifMl ~ imT 'I1fuf ;ftfu ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ am: ~ ~ 5NIf ~ ~ ~ .ro ~ 400-950 ~ foro; 1fflf '1ft ;ftfu ~ ~ fit; ~ ~ am: ~ ~ ~ ~ foro; 1fflf n ~ ~ 89 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 90 o ~~ ~ ~ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~ fit;: ~ 'iflFr ~ ~ f,,!!f1rn" ~ (if» 'NT ~ ~ ~ fit; 1Wf ~ f'l1!iffi" 'h'T ~ ~ f-;rif1f u;;'!J mom: ~ 11 if'lT ~ '!iT ~ ~ ~ fimIT 11 '1ft srfaf'ffa ~ ~ I ~ ~ 'f'T 'lTWof ~ ~ ~ ~ miff" 'f'T 3JTlfICf ifi"VIT ~ I ~~ ; u;;'!J ~ arrm: 'filf'llful 'h'T ~ (iii) 'NT ~ «'f ~ fit; lift ~ ~~~~ ififl"if qroft ~ 'f'T fimIT « ammr • f.tm:mIT ~ ~ 'f'T ammr ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f,;rq ~ f'caff 11ft ~ ~ ~~ ~ (if) ~ ~ ~ u 7995. ~ 110 ;{o ~ : 'NT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ m fit;: ~~ am: (if» ~~ ~ ~~ , ("f) ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~~~ ~ ~ 'f'T 'NT ~ rn 'f'T f.r.m: ~ am: ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ n ~ u ~ ~ ~~ ~~ (iii) m ~ ciT ~ ;p:rr 'fm1IT s o ~ o ~~ ~ ~ non-gazetted Railway employees which form the very basis of evaluating their per- ~ 11 ;nIT ~ 3fo!'IIl'T sm:" ~ ~ I (c) the reasons why such reparts are not communicated to the employees so that they may make good of their deficiencies ? m1f mit ~ ~ ~ • ~~~~~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. ~ ~ ~ ~ fmn RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) and (b). The instructions issued for filling the Confi- 7997. '-it" 0 ;{ 0 ~ 'fl:TT ~ dential Report forms and the forms pres- n~~ ~~ ~ cribed are designed to ensure correct, precise and objective evaluation of an employee's ~ work and capabilities. (if;) 'fl:TT ~ smr 11 ~ (c) Adverse remarks against an employee ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Duly Rosters of Station Masters ~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. (b) Total loss during 1968 was Rs. 31,287 RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) to (e). In- and during 1969 was of Rs. 8,979. formation is being collected and will be laid (c) Yes. On the night of 23/24th Feb- on the Table of the Sabha. ruary, 1969. (d) At about 04.50 hrs. of 24-2-1969 Wire theft cases in Sealdab division (Eastern Circuit-Breaker at Sonarpur Grid Sub- Railway) Station tripped. On segregation, UP line between Baruipur and Sonarpur found 8000. SHRI JYOTlRMOY BASU was faulty. At 05.20 hrs. staft' reached the Will the Minister of RAlLWAYS be pleased to state: site and reported theft of copper return feeder wire. (a) the total n~ of wire th.ft cases in each section in Sealdah Division of the (e) As a preventive measure against Eastern Railway during 1968 and first theft of wires, special camps have' been two months of 1969; introduced at different affected places as also night patrols have been·introduoed in (b) the total loss of revenue on this the affected areas. Joint raids by Police and account; Railway Protection Force were also organis- (c) whether. 60 metres of overhead wire ed. Copper wires have been replaced by were stolen between Baruipur and Sonarpur cheaper metal wires. stations about 17 km. from Sealdah on the 23rd February, 1969; Leave Reserves for S.Ms. and A.s.Ms. (d) if so, the details of tbat incident; 8001. SHRI;RAMAVATAR SHASTRI : and Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased (e) what steps, if any, have been taken to state: to prevent tbis growing menace ? (a) whether there is a provision to create THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. posts of Leave Reserves for Station Masters RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) Total num- and Assistant Station Masters in all grades ber of wire tbeft cases reported in Sealdab including higher grades vide Railway Division during 1968 and 1969 (Upto Board's letter No. E (ADJ) 48 LR-l dated February '69) were as follows:- the 14th August, 1951; (b) if so, whether this was implemented Name of Section No. of cases and if not, the reasons therefor; reported (c) whether action has been taken by 1968 1969 the Zonal Authorities on the Board's (Upto letter No. E(G) 67 LR1-11 dated the 25th Feb.) November, 1968 particularly in the cases of the Station Masters and Assistant Station Masters and if not, the reasons therefor; 1. Brace Bridge-Santoshpw: 24 2. Sealdah South Section 12 4 (d) whether there is any prooedure in the Office of the Railway Board to ensure 3. ~ n on 5 5 that the orders once issued by the RaiIway 4. Dum Dum In.-Dum Dum Board are correctly implemented within a Cantt. 4 2 reasonable time; and 5. Dum Dum In.-Baranagar 3 (e) if so, the details thereof and the 6. Kankurgachi-Ballygunge 1 reasons why the Board failed to ensure 7. Naihati-Ranaghat 3 proper implementation of the above orders ? 8. Naihati-Barrackpore THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. 9. Brace Bridl'e-Nangi 5 RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) In Board's letter of 14-8-51, the Railway Administra- 95 Written Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Writ/en Answers 96 tions were allowed to provide leave reserves ~ ~~ for Senior Station Masters and Assistant m Station Masters in certain intermediate ~ f.rfiJ ~~ u ~ ~ grades, depending on the pattern adopted ~ ~ by each Railway. ~ ~ ~ (b) Information received from Railways 8003. t=m'I : (b) whether it is also a fact that much of ~ ~ ~ the benefit of this demand is neutralised because of the competition among the Indian exporters themselves and the lack ~~~ ~ of co-ordinated manner for production of the goods, its designing, and pUblicity for such goods in the foreign countries; and 8004. ~ "'" t=m'I ~ : ~ .nil' ~ ~ ~ tw() : (IT) ~ 'IiTJf ;fft ~ WTfRl' (iii) ~ ~~ ~ 1509 ~ ~ am: ~ arwm m: 1fIfuI;l if; ~ "'14aij'M 1fIfuI;l cnf'if'I'i ~ 5I"'IIT< if; ~ 1l 101 ~ ~ ~ ~~ I ~ ~~ ~ ilf'4i\' flw 987 m ~ f.!;q ~ I lIif (lil) ~~ on~~ ifr< lfi'1( ~ If"( '4i\' ~ oqf;;m ~ if ~ ron ~ formation about the closure of re-rolling by the Election Commission and the grounds mills during the last six months; therefor; and (b) if so, the names of the mills which (d) whether any request has been made gave this intimation and the reasons for to waive this disqualification in favour their closure; and of Shri Mishra and what is the decision taken in this direction ? (c) the steps taken by Government to prevent the closure of these mills ? THElMINISTER OF LAW AND SOCIAL ~ (SHRI GOVINDA MENON) : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) Yes, Sir. MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY (b) Yes, Sir, in a few cases. ENGINEERING THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL ~ INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI r. A. SOl1. s ~ smR: ~ AHMED) : (a) Yes, Sir. 11I1mr, ~ IIII"fIfR i:r'n ~ (b) and (c). Dr. Kunwar Baldev Singh m mfi lfii: ~ rn fiI;: submitted a scheme on the manufacture of Indian medicines to the State Bank of ('Ii) if ~ ;tt ~ ~ COIIIIIleftlaI Clel"ks (c) No action was considered necessary as such representations are to be made 8017. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA in accordance with the Discipline and Appeal. SHRI CHANDRIKA PRASAD Rules to the appropriate autharity wh" will take necessary action in the matter. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to refer to the reply given to starred (d) This had not been worked out, as QlIC'tion No. 669 on the 19th March, 1968 such loss is inherent wherever the penalty and state: of withholding of increments is imposed. . (a) whether all the demands of the com- Platform for passengers bait betweea Rupsa mercial clerks have been examined. and Basta Stations (b) if so, result of examination of til! 8019. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the each demand; Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to (c) how many demands have been accePted state : by Government as well as those which have (a) whether the Chief Commerical Sup- IlOt been accepted; and erintendent, South-Eastern RailWay and the ( (b) if so, on what date the above letter THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL was sent; DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. (c) whether any reply was received, and AHMED) : (a) and (b). The 'Jelly' used in if so, on what date it was received and the medicinal capsules is an edible grade main points raised in the reply; gelatine which is not being currently manu- (d) whether any action has been taken factured in the country. No 'Jelly' is nor- on the basis of the reply; and mally used in the manufacture of ice- cream, (e) if not, the reasons therefor ? Small Car Project N ...... THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. at RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (c) whether the representatives of the Categorical Associations are also included in the Ioint Consultative Machinery; (d) if so, the names of the members; 8024. '1i ~~ ~ : 'flIT ~ and mrm, ~ ~ ~ m (e) if not, the reasons therefor ? ~~ ~ n : THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. ~ ~ ~ 1956 ~ RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) A list of staff side representatives from the Railway 3Rf1ffl ~ ~ lfl"if1Vr ~ Side on the National Council of the Joint ~ ~ ~ ¥ flrnr fufm; Consultative Machinery is laid on the Table ~~ of the House. [Pmced in Library See No. (crr;;) f<'lfm; C'In:) L.T.-950/69). 1lmf ~ ~~ (qtq) ~ ~~~ (b) to (e). According to the provisions of -q';;jl;;rtq the Joint Consultative Machinery Scheme, atmr ~ ~~ ~ representation on a Joint Council can be ~ ~ '3"6' 'IT 'flIT ~ had by el'Ql'loyees of any particular class lffcrffi fir 113 Written AIISwers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written AIISwers 114 ( in thousands) 1966-67 1967-68 Variation in 1967-68 over 1966-67 Passengers Originating (Numbers) Central Railway 467,715 470,337 2,622 Eastern Railway 321,171 323,685 2,514 Northern Railway • .. 219,854 236,395 16.541 North-Eastern Railway 131,150 135,976 4,826 Northeast Frontier Railway 46,753 47,394 641 Southern Railway. 275,679 236,995 -38,684 South Central Railway 50,438 111,752 61,314 South Eastern Railway 104,385 107,137 2,752 Western Railway 5.74,365 587,679 13,314 Total GO\'ernrnent Railways 2,191,510 2,257,350 65,840 Tonnes Originating (Tonnes) Central Railway 21,850 16,550 -5,300 Eastern Railway 53,100 51,075 -2,025 Northern Railway 14,419 13,414 -1,005 North Eastern Railway 7,813 6,086 -1,727 Northeast Frontier Railway 5,439 5,714 275 Soutbcm Railway 16,376 13,478 -2,898 South Central Railway 5,859 11,412 5,55] South Eastern Railway 55,526 57,944 2,418 Western Railway 21,225 20,906 -319 Total Gcvernment Railways 201,607 196,579 -5,028 The Solth Central Railway was formed on 2-10-1966 by transferring certain sections from the Central and Southern Railways. The data shown &pins! South Central Railway fO( ~ is for the period October'66 to March '67. Figures in respect of tralIiI;: caaied on the sections of South Central Railway for the pe£iod ~ '66 are included in the respective portions of the undivided Central and Southern Railways. 115 Written Answers APRIL 29. 1969 Wrl'tten Answers 116 Statistics are not maintained of the quantum of parcels traffic carried by Railways. (b) and (d). Strength of Commercial Clerks as on 1st April of each year is given below. Information as on 1st December is not readily available. Railway Commercial Clerks as on 1st April Variation in 1967 over in 1968 over 1966 1967 1968 1966 1967 Central 5.128 . 5.223 4.967 +95 -256 Eastern .. 5.147 5.177 5.148 ,. +30 -29 Northern 5.627 5.666 5.694 +39 +28 North Eastern 2.013 2.110 2.115 +97 +5 Northeast Frontier 2.085 2.063 1.981 -22 -82 Southern 4,474 4.378 4.336 -96 -42 South Central 2.245 2.227 2.242 -18' +15 South Eastern 2.891 2.913 2.901 +22 -12 Western .. 5.472 5.539 5.530 +67 -9 TOTAL •• 35.082 35.296 34.914 +214 -382 (e) The increase in passenger traffic in ~~ ~ n 1967-68 as compared to 1966-67 is normal. The apparent drop over the Southern (if.) ~ 1969-70 if qft'f11 ~ Railway is explained by the fact that certain sections of this Railway alongwith certain if m ~ ~ ~ mAT ~ sections of Central Railway were transferred fif There has been increase on some Rail- ~ ~~ ways and decrease on some other Railways in the number of commercial clerks during (tf) ~ ~ ~ ~ these years; the variations have not. how- iIft;: • ever. been appreciable. These changes have been necessitated by fluctuations in (&) llf<:: ;:r{T, aT ~ if!fT ~ the quantum of work handled by the Rail- ways as also due to a review of staff require- ~ ments as a measure of economy. ~ Qi ( 'flo ~ ~ fiIt) : ~ ~~ ~ (if.) ~~ ~ lfiTmm ~ ~ ""(a: m-. 'IIfI I ~ , 8026 . .n ~ '"'" ~ : if!fT ~ ~ LT-951/169] I 117 Wrillen Answers VAISAKHA9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 118 (II) (i) ~ ~Q no~~~ :( ( (tJ") 'filer ~ ~ fcrf1m- ~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ (i) ~ m'f if>'t 6 ("I") ~ ~ ~~ ~ n ~ ~ ~ 'liT ~ ~ ~~ (tJ") I ~ QT ~ ~~~ : ("I') ~~~ (lI» am: ~~ ~ (a) ~~ ~~ ~ am: n ~ 'l': <:li" AIIsorptioo of 100 vision failed traosportation (c) whether any representation has been in eonunerciaI category stalf on S0uth- received from the unconfirmed staff for Eastern Railway their confirmation; 8031. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA (d) if so, Government's reaction thereto; and SHRI CHANDRIKA PRASAD enable them to take up manufacture THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS of any type of cable and wire including ACSR (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) Yes. conductors but excluding telephone 'cables. (b) A decision on this will be taken if the trials prove a success. Stabbing near Pipri Dih Station (North- (c) Approximate cost per set is likely to Eastern RaIlway) be about Rs. 3,500/-. 8034. SHRI VISHWA NATH PANDEY: . SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM : Teacb&s Training Centres for Physically Handicapped will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state : 8036. SHRI TULSIDAS DASAPPA SHRI ~ SHERIFF: (a) whether it is a fact that four persons were stabbed to death on the 3rd April, Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL 1969 near Pipri Dih Railway Station (North WELFARE be pleased to state: Eastern Railway) after they were thrown out from a running train; and (a) whether the Education Commission in its report submitted to Government has (b) if so, reaction of Government there- observed that the most neglecte.! side is the to ? institutions for training teachers for the various categories of the physically handi- THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR.' capped; and RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) Consequent upon communal disturbances in the Mau (b) if so, the steps Government propose to Junction Town, two dead bodies were found take to open more teachers training centres in Pipridih station yard on 24-69 just after and to improve the existing centres? departure of 73 Up passenger train. Sub- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sequently two more dead bodies were found between Mau Junction and Pipridih rail- MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE way stations. [DR. (SHRIMATI) PHULRENU GUHA]: (b) A case registered in this connection by (a) In its Report, the Education Commis- Government Railway Police, Mau Junction sion considered the existing facilities for the u/s 302 I.P.C. is under investigation of training of teachers of the physically bandi- Uttar Pradesh State C.LD. capped inadequate and recommended that greater emphasis should be laid on this Escorting by Government Railway Police aspect; armed parties started in all day and night (b) Three centres for the training of trains. Security measures have been further teachers of the blind are financed by the tightened up in the area. Government of India. 'rhe fourth centre is to commence functioning during the current Installation of Gadget In Railway financial year. A Board has been set up to Engines conduct common examinations. The country also has several centres for the train- 8035. SHRI TULSIDAS DASAPPA ing of teachers of the deaf. The training of SHRl V. NARASIMHA RAO teachers of the s ~ l:''l.I1dicapped is likely to receive greater attention in the IV Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be Plan. ple;lSCd to state: (a) whether a railway engineer has inven- ~ ~ -.;r A'Ifar ted a gadget which stops a running train if the driver goes to sleep; 8037. n~ ~ ~ o (b) if so, whether it is intended to instal ~~ ~ 0lfI'm:!m the gadget in all the engines; and ' ~ ;iift Iii:( ~ '!ir ~ ~ (c) the approximate cost of the gadget? fif;: 125 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 ~ ~ ~ ~ 'SffiI'T (111) ~~ ~ ~ (c) Yes Sir. ~~ ? (d) Till the end of March, 1969 the total quantity of Tor Steel produced by the two ~~ ~~ HSL plants was 3360 tonnes (2176 tonnes at Bhilai and 1184 tonnes at Durgapur). Cf'IT ~~ Q1 ~~ ~ ~ ~ Q ~ (e) The information regarding the quantity produced by private parties is not available. ~~~ ~ I ~~ , (f) HSL have not so far exported this kind (111) I of steel. Export of Tor-steel by private parti.s during January to March, 1969 bas Agreement between Hindustan Steel Ltd. been of the value of Rs. 8.12 Iakbs. and Tor-isteg Steel Corporation of Luxem- bourg 8039. SHRI D. N. DEB: Charges agaiust an Acrounts Clerk Grade-I in Di\'isicmal Acroaats 0fIice Northern SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO : Rai1way, New Delbi SHRI D. AMAT: Will the Minister of STEEL AND ~ SHRIBENISHANKER SHAR- HEAVY ENGINEERING be pleased to MA: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be state: pleased to refer to the reply given to Un- starred Question No. 8326 on the 23rd April, (a) whether the Hindustan Steel Limited 1968 and state: has signed any agreement with tbe Tor-Isleg Steel Corporation of Luxembourg for pro- (a) whether the said Accounts Clerk Grade- duction of Tifed for Steel; I of Divisional Accounts. Office, New Delhi, against wbom charges had been framed by (b) if so, tbe details of the agreement; the Special Police EstabJishment, New (c) wbether tbe same firm had already Delhi, has now been charge-sbeeted; agreement with some indigenous producers (b) if so, the position of the case; and in Calcutta, Delhi, Bombay and Madras for the production .Ilf the same type of steel; (c) .the time likely to he taken by Admin- (d) the total quantity of such steel pro- . istration to finalise the case? duced by the Hindustan Steel Ltd. till the 31st March,I969; THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. (e) the total produce of tbe Tor Steel RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : twmT tmr ... 1..... ~ ~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) and (b). There is no proposal to issue, ouring the period of 8041. '1i * ~ (b) whether these are proposed to be taken controlling share of A.E.I. (India) Ltd., over and if so, when ? without going through the legal prooeduro of merger. The Government has not THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. received any application under Section 372 RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) The Port of the Companies Act. Trust Railways are under the control of the concerned Port Trusts, au the workina of these railways is intimately connected with (c) Government is not aware ~ the shipping operations of which the Port G.E.C. has actually dismissed many em- Trusts are in charge. ployees against the order of the High Court of West Bengal . (b) There is no proposal at present to take over these Railways from the Port (d) The matter is being looked into. Trusts. • Absorptioo of Surplus StaIr of bIJ.... y Mmlorandum by Sharebolders of A,E.I. Electrification StaIr In odIer" Pnjeds (India) 8046. SHRI GANESH GHOSH: Win the 8045. SHRI S. KUNDU Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: SlffiI P. M. SAYEED: (a) whether it is a fact that Governmont SHRI VIRBHADRA SINGH propose to absorb the surplus staff of the Railway Electrification in other new Projects SHRI S. KANDAPPAN: in the same pay and grade; and SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: (b) if so, what steps have been taken to SHRI S. M. BANERJEE absorb such staff in new Projects like the Cir- DR. RANEN SEN : cular Railways ? Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. VELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) and (b). The COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleasad to state: lugestion made by the futimates Committee in their seventieth report k this regard is un- (a) whether Government have received a der consideration of the Government. memorandum signed by shareholders of A.E.I. (India ) Ltd., complaining about certain irregu1arities and illegalities commit- RefosaI of 'Leave Preparatory to Retirement' ted by G.E.c. (India) Ltd.; to General ~ of Rail". 8047. SHRI GANESH GHOSH: WiII the (b) whether G.E.C. (India) Ltd., has Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: acquired the controlling share of A.E.!. (India) without going through the legal (a) the names of the Goo ..al Mlnagors procedure of merg.r; who were refused LOll ve Preparatory to Re- (c) whether G.E.C. has dismissed many tirement during the last ten years in the In- employees against the order of the High dian Railways; Court of West Bengal; and (b) the names of Geoeral Managor. who were not refused Leave Preparatory tl) Re- (d) the steps 'Government are taking to tirement during the last teo years in tile enquire into the allegation contained in the Indian Railways; and above memorandum and to see that the Indian employees are BOt dismissed ? (c) the specific reasons in each case ? THE MINISTER OF INDl1STRlAL THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED): (a) Yes, Sir. 1. Sbri B. Arora 2. Shri R. B. Lal (b) The Goveroment is not aware whether G.E.C. (India) Ltd., actually acquired the 3. Sbri K. Ramachandrdll 131 APRIL 29, 1969 Writ/en Answers 132 4. Sbri M. K. Kaul THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) Only 277 5. Sbri B. Mathur B. such casual labourers were discharged follow- 6. Shri D. R. Khanna ing their participation in the strike. 7. Shri!>. N. Wadhwa (b) They are treated as "Railway servant," 8. Shri P. H. Sharma for the purpose of Indian Railways Act, 1890. 9. Shri S. S. Ramasubban (c) Yes, Sir. 10. Sbri H. D. Singh 11. Shri Y. P. Kulkarni (d) Instructions have been issued to the Railways that such of the .casual labourers 12. Shri Ratan Lall whose participation in the strike was limited 13. Shri P. S. Venkataraman to mere absence from Work on 19-9- 1968 may be taken back provided there are no 14. Shri K. K. Mukerji other aggravating factors against them and 15. Shri o. S. Murthy their r ..-employment wonld not involve any risk, damage sabotage etc. (b) 1. Sbri S. Chakravarti Violation of Rule Regarding Recruitment of 2. Shri D. V. Reddy Staff in RaHways 3. Shri P. N. Murti 8049. SHRI GANESH GHOSH: Will the 4. Shri D. N. Chopra Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: 5. Shri I. Hydari (a) whether there is any rule in Railways that only the permanent railway organisa- 6. Shri E. G. Kotiswan tions are empowered to recruit staff through Railway Service Commission; and (c) The case of each of the officers listed in replies to parts (a) and (b) was decided (b) whether there has been any violation according to merits. keeping in view the of such rule; if so, the reasons there for 1 public interest. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) There is no such rule. The reference in the Question is DismIBtl of CasoaI Workers ill RaHway presumably to Project as distinct from the Electrification Railways. According to the rules, direct recru- itment to Railway Services Class III whether 8048. SHRI GANESH GHOSH : Will in a Railway or in a Project should be made the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to through the agency of the Railway Service state: Commissions (the special Recruitment Com- mittee in the case of Northeast Frontier (a) whether it is a fact that a COIISiderable Railway) unless otherwise specially autho- number of casual workers in Railway Electrl- rised by the Railway Board. Special Jication have been dismissed in connection authorisations are permitted by the Railway with the 19th September, 1968 strike; Board, on certain occasions.ior making local recruitment in a Railway or in a Project de- (b) whether the casual workers in Rail- pending upon the attendant circurnstaBcCs. ways are treated as Central Government employees; (b) Doesnotariae. (c) whether the Ordinance promUlgated by the Central Government in connection with the strike of 19th September, 1968 is OpenIng of LIquor Shops in Delhi effective on casual staff of Railways; and 8050. SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA: (d) if not, what steps are being taken to Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL take them back to service 1 Welfare be pleased to state: 133 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 134 (a) Whether it is a fact that the surroUDd- (a) what is the extent of land alienation of ings are not taken into consideratiC'n while the tribal people in Chhotanagpur and San- opening liquor shops in Delhi resulting in thai Parganas of Bibar; opening of such shops by the side of schools and other such institutions; and (b) how much land bas been restored to tbe tribal people up·to-date under tbe Bibar (b) if so, the steps being taken by Govern- Scheduled Areas Regulation, 1969; and ment to avoid that situation ? (c) whether Government propose to pro- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE vide free legal aid to tribal people for filing MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE cases against illegal transfer of their land in DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE order to make the aforesai (Ii) ~ ~ I Stenos Attached to Senior Scale Officers ~ ~~ ~ ~~~ ~ ;f.t ~~ 'fit ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 8053. SHRI VIDY ADHAR BAJPAI : ~~ ~~~ I SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL ': Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: , Tribal People of Cbbota Nagpur and Sintbal pargana. of Biba. (b) whether it is also a fact that the Second avenue of promotion to the railway Steno- Pay Commission have laid down that the graphers as far a back as 13th October, 1966 scale cf the stenos should he according to the by means of their communication to the status of the officer and not the office in General Manager's of the Railway Adminis- which he is working; and tralions; and (c) if so, the reasons for not distinguish- (c) if so, how Government propose to ing the scale of pay of the Stenos attached to ameliorate the pay and service prospects of Sr. Scale, Jr. Admn., Inter Admn., Sr. Stenographers? Admn. and Divisional Superintendents as uch of the5e officers is distinctly different in THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. status, and how Government propose to alle- RAM SUBHAG SINGH) ; (a) No. viate the frustration ? (b) No. Thecomlnunicationwasonlyfor tbe purpose of obtaining some information THE MINIS'IER OF RAILWAYS (DR. on the matter. No further action was con- RAM SUBHAG SINGH) ; (a) Yes. sidered necessary. (b) and (c). The Pay Commission has laid (c) The question of giving some relief to down that the ~ of pay of Stenographers Class III Categories of staff ;.)cluding Steno- ~ u not he determined merely on the basis grapbers wbo have been on the maximum of the status of the offices, but should he of their scales for some time is under OOD- related to tbe duties and responsibilities wbich sideration and this is expected to he finalised will generally, though not in all cases, ,de- shortly. pend on the status of the officers to whom they are attached. The scale of pay of stenographers attached to officers helow the Production Targets of Hindustau Steel rank of Senior Scale is Rs. 130-300 and Limited those attached to Senior Scale Officers and above are in scale Rs. 210-425. One of the 8055. SHRI HIMATSINGKA ; Will the Stenographers attached to the General Minister of STEEL AND HEAVY EN- Manager is in the higher scale of Rs. 380-530. GINEERING he pleased to state; Stenographers attached to General Managers and Heads of Departments are in receipt of {a) whether Hindustan Steel Limited bas a special pay of Rs. 50/- P.M. and those revised its production and sale plans for the aItacbed to Divisional SuperiDteodents are year 1969-70; Jiyena special pay ofRs. 30/- P.M. Aspecial (b) ifsc, tbe productiOn targets and other pay of Rs. 30(- is also given to Sten0- salient features of tbe revised scbeme; graphers attacbed to a few other officers above the rank of senior scale, depending (c) how far the Company is likely to he a upon their nature of duties and responsibili- profitable venture in 1969-70; ties. (d) the targets of exports (item-wu..) fixed for products of the Company; and Stenographers in Railways (e) whether any amount of steel inllots is proposed to he exported; if so, how much 8054. SHRI VIDYADHAR BAJPAI; during 1969-70 and hov.!far it will be possi- SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL; ble to do so after meeting the internal require- ments of the industry ? Will the Minister of RAILWAYS he pleased to state; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY (a) wbether it is a-fact that a larae number ENGINEERING (SHRl K. C. PAN1); (a) of Stenos in scale Rs. 210-425 on the Rail- to (c); The Board of Directors of Hindustan ways have reached the maximum and are Steel Ltd., have finalised their production stagnating; and sale proaramtne for the year 1969-70. (b) whether it is also a fact tbat the Rail- The production programme envisaaes pr0- way Board thought it fit to broaden the duction of 1.1 million tonnes of pig iron for 137 Wrilten Answers VAISAKIiIA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written AllSWers 138 sale, 354 million tODDes of saleable steel, with the preparation of the Fourth Plan. the 45,000 tODDes of finished alloy steels and Working Group for Machine Tools submit- 4,00,000 tonnes of Calcium Ammonium ted its report to the Planning Group for Nitrate. This is asainst the production of Macbinery Industries in July, 1968. 1.1 million tonnes of pig iron for sale, 26 million tonnes of saleable steel, 24,000 tonnes (b) The Working Group has estimated the of finished alloy steels and 2,36,000 tonnes of annual demand for machine tools at Rs. 92 Calciwn Ammonium Nitrate in 1968-69. crores by 1973 ·74, inclusive of a provision On the basis of current costs and prices, this of Rs. 8 erores worth of macbine tools for hisber production is expected to help im- exports and recommended as production prove the working results of the Company target of Rs. 71 crores worth of machine considerably. tools per annum by that year. The Group has not recommended any additional new (d) Item-wise export targets for 1969-70 capacity to be created during the Fourth Plan will be fixed shortly.- period, but has indicated that the existing capacity would be increased in the private (e) The question as to whether some quan- sector from Rs. 23 crores to Rs. 28 erores per tity of steel ingots will be available for export annum by installation of balancing equipment after meeting domestic requirements is pre- and in tbe public sector from Rs. 38 erores sently under examination. to Rs. 48 erores, with the implementation of the projects already planned/ in progress. Report of Working Group OD MadIlae Tool (c) Apart from the estimates of demand, Industry targets of capacity, production and exports and estimates of investment and foreign 8056. SHRI IDMATSINGKA exchange requirements, the main recommen- SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH dations of the working Group, among others, relate to (i) aid for export, (ii) analysis of Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- requirements of machine tools with a view VELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND to assess feasibility of production, (iii) COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: strengthening of researcb facilities, and (iv) measures to reduce technological pp with the (a) whether the working group for help of foreign know-how. The main re- machine tool industry has submitted its commendations of the working Group and report; Government's reaction thereto are given in the statement laid on the Table of the (b) if so, the estima t.d demands of the House [Placed in Library. See No. LT-953/ country by the end of the Fourth Five-Year 69]. Plan in respect of heavy tools; targets of prociuction and the additional capacity to be created in this industry as assessed by the (d) Although the estimates made by the working group; working Group for machine tools were tell- tatively accepted for the purpose of the (c) the main recommendations of the Report of the Planning Group for Machin t:rJ working group and Government's reaction Industries, the Planning Gronp in tbcir ther:to; report, submitted to the Planning Commis- sion, have suggested that at as early a (d) how much of the additional capacity stage as possible, as soon as some of the m. in the industry .ould be granted in the pub- formation from the census of machine tools lic sector and how much in the private sector; and other sources become available, at k:ast and in a preliminary way, a further review may (e) the special measures being taken in be undertaken, and that the estimates and order to avoid any continued recession in the other suggestions made in the working Fourth Plan period ? Group Report for machine tools revised ill the light of sud> a review. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DE- VELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND The Draft Fourth Five Year Plan (1969- COMPANY 'AFFAIRS (SHR! F. A. 74) which was ~ placed on the Table AHMED) : (a) Yes, Sir; in co_lion Qi ~ Lok Sabba eJWisaaes a tarpt of Rs. 139 Written AnsMJers APRil. 29, 1969 Writ/en Answers 140 650 million as being the production estimates is more thltn one year old, the lists of items for machine tools in the year 1973-74. The for import are scrutinised again by the Draft Plan envisages manufacture of presses Directorate General of Technical Develop- by Messrs. Hindustan Machine Tools Ltd. ment from indigenous angle. While scru- in the public sector, for which provision of tinising the lists, not only items which are Rs. 300 lakhs has been made. Provision of on the banned list are disallowed but also Rs. 596 lakhs has also been made for the items which are in the manufacturing Ajmer Machine Tool Project which is under . programme of indigenous manufacturers. implementation in the public sector. In so According to the current Import Trade far as the engineering industries (wrnch also Control Policy, all requirements of machinery include machine tool industry) are concern- worth more than Rs. 7.5lakhs are first to be ed, the Draft Fourth five Year Plan further advertised in the Indian Trade Journal to envisages that an important task during the enable the indigenous manufacturers to Plan period wculd be to bring about progres- quote for them. .. sively fuller utilisation of capacity in the public and private sectors. It has been (iv) Government have undertaken a cen- apprehended that in several industries, the sus of machine tools installed in the country. capacity might not be adequately utilised. The census will provide information on the While every effort needs to be made to secure age of machine tools now in operation export orders, the Plan envisages that it will in different sectors of industry and the .be necessary to review the position from time general pattern of the maChine" tools installed to time to see to what extent adjustments can in the country. The information when be made in the Plan programmes for securing compiled, will enable the engineering units better utilisation of capacity, (e) (i) Concer- to assess their competitiveness viS-Q-vis ted efforts are being made by the industry, other similar units both in the country and with the encouragement and assistance of abroad. The data will also form the basis Government, to diversity the product range for making a rational estimate of the demand so that the types of machine tools which were for machine tools in the coming years. hitherto being imported could be manufac- (v) Exporters of machine tools are given tured v.ithin the country. upto 25 % cash subsidy and 20 % import replenishment. Deferred payment facilities (ii) A dialogue-cum-seminar was held in have also been provided to the machine ,August 1967 to enable the manufacturers to tool industry through the Industrial Develop- have an idea of likely requirements of ment Bank of India for machine tool pur- machine tools by project authorities and chases by customers. modify their production programmes accordingly. Project authorities both in The measures listed above under (i) public and private 'ectors and machine tool to (v) will help in the better utilisation of manufacturers took pal t in the discussions. indigenous capacity for manufacture of Initially, the requirerr.ents of machine tools machine tools during the Fourth Plan ,for the ~ s "ere estimated at Rs. 4045 period. crores of which Rs. 28· crores worth were to be imported. As a result of the dialogue, it RIIIIIIing or Trains without Brake Van was agreed by the project authorities and the 8057. Sl-IRI ISHAQ SAMBHALI :. Will 'manufacturers that about Rs. 17 crores the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to ." orth of rr.achine tools originally contempla- state: ted for import could be substituted by indi- I, wenous machinery. On this basis, the manu- (a) whether it is a fact that certain Rail- facturers have diversified their production ways are still running trains without Brake to m.eet the requirements of the projects. Van against General Rule 93(e) and 144(A); (b) the reasons for Dot manufacturing (iii) A rigid scrutiny is made on import more Brake Vans if the Railways are running applications from project authorities both short' of the same; and in public and private sectors to avoid import of machine tools which can be (e) whether the AlIlndia Guard. Council, aupplied by indigenous manufacturers. Be- Aaansol Division, have suhmitted a memo- fore issuing import licences or re-validating randum in this regard, if M., the action capital goods licences where the scrutiny taken thereon ? 141 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA)' Written Answers 142 THE MINISTER OF RAn.WAYS (DR. was done in this ca... Further while RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) According General Rule \44(a) prescribes showing to General Rule 93(c) it is permitted to run of side light, which can be done only with a train without a brakevan under special a brakevan attached, General Rule 144(b) instructions. relaxes this for colliery pilots. Thus there was no violation of any rules and nothing (b) the availability of brakevans is unlawful about running colliery pilots adequate. Brakevans are manufactured on without brakevans; a long standing practice a programmed basis. authorised under special instructions which (c) The memorandum was duly consider- the General Rules permit to be issued in' ed by the Railway Administration but no regard to the attachment of brakevans to action in this regard was considered neces- trains. sary in view of the answer to part (a) above. (c) A sum of Rs. 400 has been paid to the RUJIJIiog of Trains• without Brake Van widow of the deceased ex-gratia. A sum of Rs. 10,000 is also due under the Workmen's 8058. SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHALI : Will Compensation Act, and action has been the Minister of RAIL WAYS be pleased to initiated to verify and process the payment state: of this amount to the Commissioner under the Workmen's Compensation Act. (a) whether it is a fact that on the 25th March, 1969 Guard Shri R D. Prasad of Andal Headquarters of Asansol Division ~~ ~~ in the Eastern Railway, while travelling on Train Engine of 11 UP Chara Pilot, running 8059. en ~ ~ : ro .mn- without Brake Van, vide Divisional Superin- f'A; ~ ~ n ~~ tendent, Asansol Circular No. TGM/ 1164/64/8. Van dated the 31st JanUllJ)'. ~ il\it ~ ~ 1969, got fatal injuries on engine and subsequently died on the 26th March, (If>)ro WIlt ~ ~ if; 1969; ~ UOfifl'<:: 'liT;;qqro rn if; * (b) the reasons for running the train ~ "WI' ~ milT .q ~ without Brake Van against General Rule ~ 93(C) and 144(A) and tbe action taken mmr m ;orrifm; am: against the staff held responsible for issuing ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ such unlawful orders; and ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ (c) the compensation paid to the deceased ~ ~Q Guard's family ? m'f CI'iT . mry; if; .q CI'iT ro ~ ~ n THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. m ;orrifm ? RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) On 25-3-\969 Chara Coal Pilot worked by two el\llines- ~ ~ fiflll"Rf, ~ ~ one in front and the other in rear -after """ ~~ *-it ~ leaving Andal Station at 5.40 hours stopped (en at the Grand Trunk level crossing gate for ~ (If>) am: ~ milT signal at 5.45 hours. Due to the coupling 3fTIitq imT ~ f1r (a) tile sumter of applications for indu." Illcenthe te Cottage IndIIItries In U.P. trial licences n:ccived from Uttar Pradesh during the last three years; 8053. SHRIVISHWANATHPANDEY: Will !be Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE· (b) the JlUDIber of licences granted; ~ LOPMENT, INTERNAL TI'.ADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to (1:) the position of tbese applications at slate : present with details thereof ? (a) whether Uttar Pradesh Governmeut THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL have sent any schemes for giving incentive DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE to the cottage industries in the State during AND COMPANY AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF fNDUSTRIAL Punjab Government Irrigation Branch ill DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE 1950-51 at their own cost. There is DO AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. locomotive or wagon bebnging to the AHMED) : (a) and (b). The information is Railway lying idle there. being collected and it will be plaoed on the Table of the House in due course. The rolling stock referred to presumably refers to stock o~n by the Punjab GoverR- menl. Supply of Ambar Charkba to U.P. (b) and (c). Do not arise. 8064. SHRIVISHWA NATH PANDEY : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- Revision of Prices of Passenger CD'" LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased tostate : 8066. SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO : (a) the number• of Ambar Charkbas Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL supplied to Uttar Pradesh in the year DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE 1968-69; AND COMPANY AFFAIRS b. pleased to state : (b) the number, out of them, which were actua1Iy put to use during the said period; (a) whether the Automobile Manufac- aud turer's Association has expressed concern over his statement on the revision of prices (c) the quantity of yam made available of passenger cars; for tbis purpose during the aforesaid period? • (b) wbether the Industry has urged THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL Government to approve a price increase DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE based on the Tariff Commission's recommen- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. dations; and AHMED) : (a) to (c), The information is beiDa collected and it will be laid on the (c) the reaction of Government in thi. Table of the House in due course. regard ? THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE Locomotive and WagOJlS lying idle on AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. railway One from Makbu station to Canal AHMED) : (a) No representation has 90 far Colony iD Ferozepar DistrIct been received from the Automobile Manu- 8065. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO : facturers' Association in this regard. SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO (b) and (c). The three car ~nu u n SHRI N. K. SANGHI : have requested for increase in the prices of Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be their cars independently of the recommen· pleased to state : dations of the Tariff Commission. They have been informed that no increases can (a) whether it is a fact tbat on the 26,000 be allowed pending a decision on the Report ft. long railway line from Makhu railway of the Tariff Commission on fixation of fair station to the Canal Colony in Ferozepur selling prices of the cars. This decision, District, a locomotive and some wagons it is hoped, will be taken in a month or of the value ofoR •. 8 lakhs have been lying two. idle since 1955; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and (c) the steps proposed to be taken by 8067. SHRI V. NARASlMHA RAO Government in the matter? Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleaaed to state : RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) There is no such lino belonging to the Railway. (a) wbetbcr it is a fact !bat the liceIK:e A siamg was however, constructed by the for starting an industry in Tamil Nadu for 147 Written Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Written Al/8wers 148 which the 'Letter of Intent' had been (b) the amount due from the Company issued, was not sanctioned; by Government; and (b) whether the Tamil Nadu Industries (c) the steps taken by Government to Minister has complained as reportell in the recover the same ? press, that the Centre is treating the requests THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of the State Government for starting various MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY industries using its natural resources, un- ENGINEERING (SHRI K. C. PANT) : justly; and (a) Mis. Asiatic Oxygen and Acetylene Co. (c) the reaction of Central Government Ltd., Calcutta were blacklisted in July, 1966, thereto ? by the late Ministry of Iron and Steel and the blacklisting order was ~ o on 8th THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL March, 1968. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (b) No amount is du:' from the Company AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. to Government. AHMED): (a) Yes, Sir. Presumably, the reference is to the case of Mis. T.N.K. (c) Does not arise. Madras for the manufacture of Polyester Fibre, in which the letter of intent granted to this party was cancelled, as satisfactory LIcences to National Casting {Co., Naskar- progress was not made in respect of this para Jute Mills Co., Calcutta and Indian project. Rubber Regenerating Co. Ltd. Bombay (b) No formal communication has been BOn9. SHRI ARJUN SINGH BHADO- received in this Ministry from the Tamil RIA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL Nadu Industries Minister regarding this DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE case. However, a press report on this AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to subject has come to Government's notice. state: (c) Applications for grant of licences (a) when the National Casting Company, are considered on the merits of each case Calcutta, Naskarpara Jute Mills Co. Ltd., and licences are granted having regard to Calcutta, Indian Rubber Regenerating Co. the suitability of the schemes from the point Ltd., Bombay had applied for licences and of view of availability of raw materials, the time when these started functioning; suitability of location proposed, foreign (b) the terms and conditions which were exchange expenditure involved on import laid do",n for running these companies of plant "nd machinery and terms of foreign and tbe articles being produced by them; collaboration, if any, etc. No discrimination and is made in Ihe matter of grant of licences in respect of applications received from (c) the total production of the said different States, except that other things concerns since ,they were started ? being equal, preference is lIiven to applica- tion from industrially under-developed THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL areas. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE : AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED) : (a) to (c). The information is Blacklisting of Asiatic Oxygen and Acetylene being collected and will be laid o~ the Table Co. Ltd., Calcutta of the House. .. 8068. SHRI ARJUN SINGH BHADO LI_ to Asiatic Soap Co; Ltd., Calcutta, RIA : Will the Minister of STEEL AND Atlas and Union Jute Press Co. Ltd., Calcutta HEAVY ENGINEERING be pleased to and Jaipur Udyog Ltd. state : 8070. SHRI ARJUN SINGH BHADO- (a) ",hether Asiatic Oxygen IUJd Acety- RIA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL lene Co. Ltd., Calcutta, has been black- DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE listed by his Ministry or any other Govern· AND COMPANY AFFAIRS"be pleased ment Department since 1%6; to state : 149 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Written Answers ~ (a) the date on which the Asiatic Soap DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE Co. Ltd., Calcutta, Atlas and Union Jute AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased Press Co. Ltd., Calcutta and Jaipur Udyog to state: Ltd., had applied for licences and the time (a) the date on which the Asiatic Oxygen since when these companies started func- r and Acetylene Company Ltd., Calcutta tioning; and Bardahi Lubricants Corporation Ltd., (b) the terms and conditions which were Calcutta, applied for licences and wben laid down for their running and the articles the above companies started functioning ; being produced by them; and (b) the terms and conditions in regard (c) the total production of these companies to tbe setting up of the companies and tbe since they started functioning? nature of articles being produced by these companies; and THE MINIS'if;R OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (c) the total proju;tion s inc, th,ir in- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. ception ? AHMED) : (a) to (c). The information is being collected and will be laid on the Table THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL of the House. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. Licences to certain Firms AHMED) : (a) to (c). Tbe information is bein& collected and will be laid on tbe 8071. SHRI ARJUN SINGH BHADO- Table of tbe House. RIA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to Development of Small Scale Industries state: in West Bengal (a) the names of the articles for whose 8073. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL: Will manufacture Kamani Industrial Corporation the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOI'- Ltd., Bombay, Bengal Jute Mill Company MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND Ltd., Calcutta and Asiatic Glass Pactory, COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to Company Ltd., Calcutta, had applied for state: licences; (b) the date on which licences were (a) whether the Governm,nt of West granted and the dates on which the work Bengal has submitted any report to the was started; Central Government regarding tho develop- ment of small scale industries and setting (c) whether the said companies manu- up of industrial estates in that State during factured articles other than those for which 1968-69; licences had been granted; and (d) if so, the details tbereof 1 (b) if so, the main features of tbe scheme; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (c) whether Government have approved DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE that scbeme and if so, the details thereof; AND COMN.NY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. and AHMED) ~ (a) to (d). The information is being collected and will be laid on the (d) the extent to whicb employment Table of the House. opportunities would be increased as a result of that scheme? Lkences to Asiatic: Oxygen and Acetylene Company. Bardhal Lubrieaat. CorporatflMl THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL Ltd., Calcutta DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. 8072. SARI ARJUN SINGH BHADO- AHMED) : (a) to (c). The Annual Plan of RIA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL the State Government for 1968-69 bas been lSI Wrlt/e1l Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Written Answers 152 approved. The schemes included therein (b) the names' of the o ~n s to whom are given in the statement laid on the Table minimum and maximum amount of loans of the House. [Placed in Library. See were granted as also the amount there- No. LT-954/69]. of; (d) It is not possible to estimate with any (c) whether it is a fact that many units degree of exactness the additional employ- did not establish industrial units despite ment that will be created. getting loans and if so, the names thereof; and Scbolarsblps to SdIeduIed Cute aad (d) whether Governm!nt prop.)se to Scbeduled Tribe Students of West Bengal take action against them and if so, the nature thereof 1 8074. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL : Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL THE MINISTER ~ INDUSTRIAL WELFARE be pleased to state: DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (a) the number of students in West AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. Bengal who were granted Low-Income AHMED): (a) to (d). The inform3tion Group scholarships by the Central Govern- is being collected and will be laid on the ment during 1967-68; Table of the House in due course.. (b) the total amount thereof; (c) the income group of guardians of DeYelopment of Medium Scale Industries students who were granted such scholar- in West Bengal ships; and 8076. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL: WiD (d) income limit stressed by the West the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- Bengal Government MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state : MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE (a) whether Government of West Bengal (DR. SHRiMATl PHULRENU GUHA) : has submitted any scheme to tbe Central (a) and (b). The correct position is th3t Government regarding the development of post-matrie scholarships to Low-Income medium scale industries in that state Group students are granted by the State in 1968-69; Government, though the expenditure thereon (b) if so, the nature and the details is re-imbursed by the Government of India. thereof; A sum of Rs. I. 26 lakhs was expended on scholarships granted to 158 students. (c) the extent to which the produotion (c) and (d). The upper income limit capacity of each industry would be increased prescribed is Rs. 2,400/- per annum; below as a result of the implementation of the this limit, priority is given to those with scheme; the lowest income. (d) whether Central Government have approved that scheme and if so, with what Loans to West Bengal eoverJUDeDt for modifications; and Industrial Development • (e) the extent to which employment 8075. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL : Will opportunities are likely to increase thereby 1 the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL COMPANY AFfAIRS be pleased to DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE state: AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. (a) the amount of loans granted to West AHMED) : (a) to (e). The information Bengal Government for industrial develop- is being collected and it will be laid on the ment durins the last three years; Table of tbe House. ' 153 Written Answers VAiSAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 154 Industrial l>e'l'eIcJpment iB west BeagaI LiceKes to Sooraj MaD Nagar MuD, Calcutta, Bombay Gas Co. aud C 8077. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL : Will &: E Morton (India) Ltd., Calcutta the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND 8078. SHRI K. N. PANDEY : Will COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- state : LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to (a) the progress made in the industrial state : development of West Bengal during the last (a) the names of the articles for whose three years; an,d manufacture Sooraj Mull Nagar Mull, Calcutta; Bombay Gas Co., Bombay and (b) the action proposed to be taken in C & E Morton (India) Ltd., Calcutta had this regard durlhg the Fourth Five Year applied for licences; Plan ? (b) the dates on which the licences were granted and the dates on which the work THE MINISTER OF' INDUSTRIAL was started; DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND C 1966 1967 1968 8079. SHRI K. N. PANDEY Will to to to the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 1967 1968 1969 MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM· (actual) (actual) (antici- PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: pated) (a) when the Kamani Engineering Corpo- ration Ltd., Bombay; and Jai Shree Textiles Small Scale 44.09 39.08 28.14 Ltd., Calcutta; had applied for licences Industrial Estate 1.93 8.30 4."90 and the time when these started functioning; (b) the terms and conditions which were laid down for running these companies and (b) Industrial projects proposed to be the article. being produced by them ; and taken up in the Central sector during the Fourth Five Year Plan are indicated in (c) the total production of the said firms the book 'Fourth Five Year Plan (l96g-74)- since their inception ? Draft' brought out by the Planning Com- mission. A provision of Rs. 1147 lakbs THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL has been made in the Draft Fourth Plan DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE for large and medium industries in the AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. state secrer, and of Rs. 795 lakbs for village AHMED): (a> to (c). The information and small scale industries and for the develop- is being collected and will b. laid on the ment of industrial estates. Table of the House. ISS Written Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Written Answers 156 Directors ADd Shareholders of Companies Names of ten top shareholders of Mis. Jaipur Udyog Ltd. ; 8080. SHRI K. N. PANDEY : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 1. Mis. Bharat Nidhi Ltd. MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND 2. Mis. Rohtas Industries Ltd. COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to 3. Mis. Life Insurance Corporation state the names of the Directors of India. a10ngwith the names of twenty top share- holders of Jaipur Metals and Electrical. 4. MIs. Shree Rishabh Investment Ltd. Ltd., Jaipur, Kamani Engineering Corpora- S. MI/ Sahu Jain Limited. tion Ltd" Bombay; Asiatic Oxygen and 6. Allahabad Bank Nominees Ltd. Acetylene Co. Ltd.; Bengal Jute Mill Co. Ltd., Calcutta; and Shree Hanuman 7. The Union Bank of India Ltd. Jute Mills, Calcutta? 8. The Punjab NatioL.il Bank Ltd. 9. The Punjab National Bank Ltd. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 10. The Punjab National Bank Ltd. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. The remaining information is being col- AHMED) : The names of the Directors lected and it will be laid on the .Table of and the names of top twenty shareholders the House. of Mis. Jaipur Metals and Electrical Ltd. Jaipur are given in a statement laid on the Equipment for Durgapur Steel Plant Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-9S6/69]. The names of the 8082. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO Directors and the twenty top shareholders SHRI R. K. SINHA : of the remaining companies are being collected and they will be laid on the Table Will the Minister of STEEL AND of the House. HEAVY ENGINEERING be pleased to state: . Directors And Shareholders of Certain (a) whether an Indian delegation recently Companies visited United Kingdom to seek some ad- 8081. SHRI K. N. PANDEY : Will ditional equipment and aSsistance for the the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVEWP- Durgapur Steel Plant; MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to (b) if so, details thereof; and state the names of the Directors (c) the outcome of visit made by the along with the names of ten top shareholders Indian Team ? . of W. H. Harton and Co. Ltd., Calcutta; Naskarpara Jute Mills Co. Ltd., Calcutta ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Kamani Industrial Corporation Ltd., MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY Bombay; Jaipur Udyog Ltd., and Asiatic ENGINEERING (SHRI K. C. PANT) : Soap Company ? (a) to (cl. A team led by Secretary, Ministry of Steel & Heavy Engineering THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL recently visited the United Kingdom in DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE connection with discussions on the British AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. Steel Corporation's Report on the Durgapur AHMED) : Information about Jaipur Steel Plant. The purpose of discussions Udyog Limited is given below :- ';"as to negotiate the financial arrangements Names of Directors of Mis. Jaipur Udyog required for equipment, spares, etc. for Limited as on 28-2-1968 :- the major renovation programme which is currently under way, as also for British I. Shri Shanti Prasad Jain. technical personnel, mainly in an advisory 2. Shri Ramnath A. Podar. capacity in certain specialised spheres of work. A memorandum of understanding 3. Shri Chunnilal Jaipuria. has been signed providing for the required 4. Shri Chiranjilal Jhuojhlinwala. arrangements. This understanding is sub- 5. Shri Dinesh Kishore Saxena. ject to ratification by the two Governments Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 158 , 11drd Pay Commission For Rallwaymeo (b) and (c). Details regarding hire purchase terms to be offered to the allottees of sheds 8083. DR. RANEN SEN: in Badli Industrial Estates have not yet SHRI TULSIDAS DASAPPA been finalised by the ~ Administra- tion. SHRIN.R.DEOGHARE: SHRI R. K. SINHA: Junior Accountants in Orne.. of F.A. &. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be C.A.O. Western Railway, Bombay : pleased to state : 8085. SHRI P. P. ESTHOSE : (8) whether his attention has boen drawn to the speech made by Shri Vasavada SHRI K. M. ABRAHAM M. P., President, o/'Iational Federation of Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be Indian Railwaymen published in various pleased to state : newspapers on the 13th April, 1969 in which he has demanded the setting up of a Third (a) the names of the Junior Accountants Pay Commission for the Railway workers; on the priority register maintained in the and offlce of the F. A. & C.A.O., Western Railway, Bombay as on the 1st January, (b) if so: Government's reaction to this 1965 and registered thereafter for their demand? transfer to Delhi; THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. • (b) the names of the Junior ACCOuntants RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) A resolu- who have since been transferred to Delhi tion passed by the National Federation of stating whether the transfers have been Indian Railwaymen to this effect has come ordered in order of priority in the regis- to notice. ter; (b) The demand will be considered along (c) in case certain transfers have been done with the question of setting up of a Third out of order, the reasons therefor; and Pay Commission with referenoe to all Central (d) the steps taken by Government to Government employees and not for Railway rectify the injustice done to the other em- employees in isolation. ploy!:eS ? Badli Industrial Estate, Delhi THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) The names 8084. SHRI P. M. SAYEED : Will of Junior Accountants and the dates of the- Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- registeration are as under :- LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 1. Shri Des Raj Khatri 28-5-63 2. Shri Mohan Narain Singh 7-1-64 (a) whether it is fact that there is a scheme for the transfer of built-up factory- 3. Shri Hiranand 11-10-65 sheds in the existing Badli Industrial Estate 4. Shri P. N. Trehan 4-11-65 near Delhi to the allottees on hire purchase 5. Shri Yogendra Pal 10-2-66 basis; 6. Shri G. S. Gill 31-5-66 (b) if so, by what time these sheds will 7. Shri R. R. Dhavan 13-6-66 be transferred to allotlees on the above line and on what terms and conditions; and 8. Shri Harbans Singh 27-6-66 (c) the prioe of each shed and the period (b) to (d). Shri Yogeodra Pal and Shri under which the allottees will be required to Des Raj Khatri were transferred from clear off hire purchase instalments ? Baroda to Delhi Office in April, 1966 and November, 1967 respectively. Shri Yogend- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL ra Pal, tbough number 5 in tbe list was DEVELOPN'lENT, INTERNAL TRADE transferred first in preference to otbers on AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. humanitarian grounds as be is physically AHMED): (a) Yes, Sir. bandicapped being lame on right leg 159 WrUten Answers APRIL 29. 1969 Written AIIS_ 160 which is affected by polio. There was no THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. body to look after him at Baroda. He has RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) They arc his sister and brother-in-law at Delhi who already being registered for allotment of will look after him. quarters alon& with other staff. Other employees will normally be (b) They will be allotted when their turn transferred in order of their priority as and comes in the order of registration. wben vacancies occur in Delhi Office. (c) poes not arise. Increments to Employees or FOftign TnftIc Confirmations in T.A.O. Western Accounts Office, Western Railway, Delhi Raihray, Ajmer 8086. SHRI MOHAMMAD ISMAIL : 8088. SHRISATYA.f'lARAINSINGH: SHRI K. M. ABRAHAM : SHRI MOHAMMED ISMAIL: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be SHRI P. GOPALAN : pleased to state : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (a) whether it is a fact that certain pleased to state : emplo}ees in the Foreign Traffic Accounts (a) when the last confirmations. were made OfIice, Western Railway, Delhi were denied in the Traffic Accounts Office of the Western their due increments in the month of March, Railway, Ajmer; and 1969; (b) whether a copy of the relevant staff (b) if so, tlie reasons for denying the increments due; and office order will be laid on the Table 1 (c) the steps taken by Government to THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. fix up responsibility and to avoid such RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Co!lfirma- recurrences in future ? tions were last made in March, 1969. (b) Copy of the relevant 0fIie Order No. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) to (c). : TA/ADM/406 dated 29-3-1969 is laid on The information is being collected and will the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-957/69]. be laid on the Table of the Sabba. India's belp to African Countries In Allotment or Qarten to Stafl" of Foreign Setting up Small Seale llIIIIIstrIes TnftIc Accounts OffIce, Western RaIlway, Delhi. 8089. SHRI R. K. SINHA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 8087. SHRI UMANATH : MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND SHRI P. P. ESTHOSE : COMPANY. AFFAIRS be pleased to SHRI SATYA NARIAN SINGH; state : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (a) whether some African countries havo pleased to state : sought India's assistance in setting up small scale industrial estates .:md ancillary (a) whether it is possible to allot Railway industries; and quarters to the staff of the Foreign Traffic (b) if so, the details of India's participa- Accounts Office Western Railway, Delhi tion in this field ? durinj; their service under the prcsen t system; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (b) if so, the year in which the allotment DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE is likely to be made; and AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. AHMED): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) if not, the steps taken by Government to make arrangements for the allotment of (b) The Kenya Government sought quarters to the staff of the said oflice 1 Indian assistance in setting up industrial 161 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written ifn.rwers 162 estates in Nairobi. The KenYjl Government steel forgings to Canada and Steel Castings also requested India to persuade suitable to France. The initial reaction has been parties from India to go to Nairobi and encouraging and the matter is being pursu- start manufacture of items for which there ed. is scope. The UAR Government has also requested for Indian technical assistance Suppression of Immoral TraflIc to set up ancillary units for manufacture in Women and Girls Act, 1'1S6 of motor parts required by the Nasar Motor Car Company at Helwam near 8091. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA : Cairo. UAR has also sought assistance Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL for setting up an industrial estate at Man- WELFARE be pleased to state : sura. The services of a few experts has been asked for to set up ancillary industries, (a) whether the Suppres,ion of Immoral industrial estates and to conduct techno- Traffic in women and Girls Act, 1956 has economic surveys ·of some districts of achieved any success; U.A.R. (b) if not, the details thereof ; and (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? ~ o of Electric and Diesel Locomotives THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE 8090. SHRI R. K. SINHA : Will DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to [DR. (SHRIMATI) PHULRENU GUHA] : state: .(a) The Act has b;len substantially success· (a) whether the Locomotive Units at ful in its avowed purpose and by and largo Chittaranjan and Varanasi are producing in most places where traditional eommoreial electric and diesel locomotives and compo- vi?, existed, brothels have disappeared. nents for export; (b) and (c). Does not arise. (b) if so, the likely export in terms of foreign exchange during the year 1969-70; Scooter Plaat in Goa and 8092. SURI SHINKRE : Will the (c) the countries that have offered to Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- buy them? MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. state: RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) to (c). The entire manufacturing capacity for (a) whether Government have received Electric & Diesel Locomotives at Chittaran- applications from industrialists from Goa jan and Varanasi is at present earmarked to start scooter manufacturing plants, there for the Indian Railways. Attempts are and if so what are the production targets however being made to develop export mentioned by them; potential in these Production Units. (b) whether Government are finalizing any plan to start a scooter manufacturing An order for 5 steam loco boilers has plant in Goa in the public sector; and been secured by Chittaranjan LocomotiYe Works from ;he Burma Railways valued (c) whether Government would take about Rs. 4.14 lakhs. This order is urgent steps to approve the schemes present- likely to be executed in 1%9-70. Another ed by private parties to manufacture scooters order for steam loco components valued in Goa, in case Government do not propose at about Rs. 40,000/- has been received to have a scooter plant in public sector in by Chittaranjan Locomotive Works from tbe near future ? the Hedjaj Railway in Syria. The order is also likely to be executed in 1%9-70. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL ~ INTERNAL TRADE As rega.rds diesel and electric loco compo- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. nents, efforts have been made to export AHMED): (a) Among the large nulnber 163 Writ/en Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Writ/en Answers 164 of applications received from the entrepre- (b) the fin<\ings of officers who made neun from all over the country in 1965, these inspections in respect of each of these three applicants had, proposed to start companies and their recommendations if scooter manufacturing plants in Goa. any; and The capacity indicated by these parties were 18,000 30,000 and 50,000 Nos. per (c) the action taken so far and further annum respectively. These applications action proposed to be taken in respect of which were eXamined along with other each of these companies ? similar applications were not considered suitable for licensing, and were rejected in ~ MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL September, 1967. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. (b) There is, at present, no proposal under AHMED) : (a) A list of the companies the consideration of Government to start belonging toB. R. Group of concerns ins- a scooter manufacturing plant in Goa, pected under Section 2(>9(4) of the Com- either in the Public Sector, or in the private panies Act, 1956 is placed on the Table of sector. House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-958/ 169]. (c) Does not arise. (b) and (c). The findings of the Inspect- Halt station between Sakri aud PaudauI ing Officen are based on the exmioation stations (Northern R1y.) of the available books of o~n s of the the concerned companies. By way of 8093. SHRI SHIV A CHANDRA JHA : follow-up action on these reports, the Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased' following action has beon taken :- to state : (i) In the case of Laxmirattan Cotton (a) the progress made in the construction Mills an FIR was filed with the CBI. As of Ugna Halt between Sakri and Pandoul a result of investigation, CBI has since filed on the North Eastern Railway; prosecution against the directors of the Company and R. R. Gupta under Section (b) if so, the detaiis thereof; and 120B read with Section 409 of I.P.C. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (ii) Regional Director, Bombay has been adviaed to take steps for putting B.R. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. Cotton Mills Ltd., Bombay under compul- RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) and (b). sory winding up. Progress in the construction of the bait has heen held up. (iii) In the case of Engineering Works of India Private Ltd., a winding up petition (c) The earth-work for the halt was to has been presented to the Calcutta High be done by"Shramdan". The local popula- Court under Section 433/439 of the Compa- tion did not agree to complete the required nies Act, 1956. earth work by Shramdan and have requested the halt to be provided. at another site. (iv) The possibility of taking action for The provision of a train halt at the other winding up under Section 433/439 was site requested is under examination. under consideration in respect of Aggarwal and Company Private Ltd., Gupta & Sons Inapec:tioo of B.R. Group of Private Limited, Muzaffarpm Dealers Pri- COIK'emII vate Limited, Vishnu Company Private 8094, SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN Limited and Shyam Company Private Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- Limited. These companies have now pre- LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND sented an application before the Allahabad COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: High Court under Section 394 of the Companies Act for the amalgamation of all (a) the names of the companies belonging these five companies. to B. R. Group of concerns whose working has been inspected and the date of inspec- In the remaining cases, the ~ u s tion reports of the various companies; observed have either been reguJarised or 165 Written Answers VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 166 satisfactorily explained or arl! being looked Price rise ofpapel' products into. These are at various stages of examination. 8097. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- Bridge at Mandya Town in Mysore LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to 8095. SHRI S. M. KRISHNA : Will state: the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to (a) whether it is a fact that the paper state: industry has once again, within the space (a) whether Government have received of one year after decontrol in April, 1968, any representation from local authorities raised the selling prices of the products to construct a new bridge or under-bridge as a cartel; at Mandya Town Mysore State; iP (b) that the price rise, enforced since lst (b) if so, the action taken thereon; and April, 1969 ranges from Rs. 250 per tonne to Rs. 400 per tonne in addition to similar (c) whether Government propose to in- increase during May, 1968; clude this project in the current year's works programme ? (c) whether the industry has not consult- ed Government about this unilateral and THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. abrupt price increase; RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Yes. (d) whether the m.jor units have no (b) The President, Town Municipal Council, .plans for substantial expansion and there Mandya has been requested to obtain State ia likely to be a paper shortage soon; and Government's approval. (e) Government reaction thereto and (c) It is too early to indicate at this stage. the steps proposed to be taken to bring down such malpractices with a heavy band 1 Investigation in respect of Railway THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL Employees who took Part in Strike DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE September, 1968 in AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. 8096. SHRI S. M. KRISHNA: Will AHMED): (a) It has been reported the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased that most of the paper mills have raised to state: selling prices of certain varieties of paper with effect from the lst April, 1969. (a) whether it is a fact th;lt a large number of railway employees who were on strike (b) The recent price rise reportedly on the 19th September, 1968 have not been ranges from Rs. 9S to Rs. 180 per tonne. taken back; (c) Government were not consulted in the matter. (b) whether the invcstigatien in respoct of these employees and particularly in (d) It is understood that some major respect of employees of Northern Railway, units are contemplating expansion of their Delhi, Bikaner, Mora1.bad and Ferozpur existing capacities. Divisions has been co:n1'Iete1; ~ (e) The matter is under consideration of (c) if not, ~ n the enquiries are likely Government. to be completed ? Developmeat of an 8-HP Diesel Tractor THEMINISTEROF RAILWAYS (DR. 8098. SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH : RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) No. Sir. Most of the employees have been taken SHEI HIMATSINGKA : back to duty. Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL (b) and (c). Such an investigation has DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE been and is being continued, to be done, AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased in accordan"" with the orders issued by the to state: Government from time to time. (a) whether a private firm dealing in 167 Written Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Written Answers 168 machineries has developed an 8-HP aiesel Independence' one Broad Gauge Railway tractor without any foreign collaboration; Line to cater to the needs of that territory which is very rich in natural resources, (b) whether the proto-type of the tractor specially mineral ones; has been inspected and found fit for the (b) whether Government are aware of Indian conditions and the salient features a large scale campaign planned by the people of this tractor; of Goa and Konkan area of Maharashtra (c) the proposed capacity for tractor to press the demand for West Coast Railway; production of this type to be installed by and ' the firm and where the envisaged factory (c) whether Government are finalizing will be set up; and any plant to give priority to it and place it in the Fourth Five Year Plan? (d) Government's reaction to the proposal ,. for issuing a letter of Intent ? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) to (c). THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL Representations have been received for DEVELOPM£NT, INTERNAL TRADE a coastal Railway line from Bombay to AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. MangaIore through the Konkan region. AHMED): (a) Govemrnent have recently Due to paucity of funds it is '.1ot possible received a proposal from a New Delhi to consider the construction of such a rail firm for the maufacture of 8-HP Diesel link at present. tractor, without any foreign col1aboration or foreign exchange expenditure. It is Setting up of pig iron plaots in Goa also learnt that a firm in Meerut has also developed an 8-HP tractor without any 8100. SHRI SHINKRE: Will the foreign collaboration. They have, however, Minister of STEEL AND HEAVY ENGI- not yet submitted any scheme in this regard. NEERING be pleased to state ; (b) The prototype tractoss have not (a) whether Government have received been tested &t the Tractor Training and any application from the mine-owners Testing station, Budni. The tractor from ,Goa to start pig-iron manufcaturing proposed to be taken up for manufacture plants in that territory; by the New Delhi firm will be a four wheel riding type tractor fitted with a diesel engine (b) whether Govemlnent are aware of of 8.2 Brake Horse Power. huge scale extraction of iron ore and manga- nese ore carried on in Goa which can fulfil (c) The New Delhi firm proposes to the demands of any large-sized pig-iron manufacture 2,000 tractors per annum plant; and starting by the end of 1969 or early 1970. (c) whether Government propose to take They are making arrangements for mass necessary steps to approve these applications production of this tractor with a Calcutta from private sector or to finalize a scheme firm, at one of their already established to start a pig-rion plant in public sector ? factories. (d) The proposal will be considered after THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the prototype of the tractor is tested at the MlNISfRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY Tractor Training and Testing station, ENGINEERING (SHRI ~ C. PANT) : Budni and found suitable. (a) to (c). Messrs. V. M. SaIgaocar E. Innao, Ltd., Goa, have been granted a Letter of Intent for setting up a pig iron west Coast Railway plant of an annual capacity of 300,000 tonnes in Goa, based on iron ores avail- 8099. SHRI SHINKRE: Will the able there. The Letter of Intent was vaIid Minister of Railways be pleased to state : upto the 31st March, 1969. Government have not so far received any request from (a) whether Government are aware that the firm for extending the 1(aJidity of the people from the West Coast of India, from Letter of Intent held by them beyond the Colaba to Cochin, are demanding since 31st March, 1969. It is not proposed to 169 WrUten Ansll'/l" VAISAKHA9, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 170 • set up any pig iron plant in Goa in the Pilkington Glass Works Ltd., Calcutta public sector in the near future. No applied for a licence; application from the private sector is pend- ing for consideration at present. (b) the conditions on which this concern was to function and the items which are Mis. HiDdustan Pilkington Glass Works being produced by it; and lAd., Calcutta. . (c) the extent of production by this concern since its inception and how it is 8101. SHRI BASUMATARI : Will the distributed among the Glass manufactur- Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- ? MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND ers COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL • DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (a) whether Hindustan Pilkington Glass AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. Works Ltd., Calcutta had applied for an AHMED) : (a) Mis. Hindustan Pilkington import licence to import machinery for Glass Works Ltd., Calcutta who were safety glass during the year 1968-69; registered on 19-9-1952 under the Industries (Development and Regulation) Act, 1951 (b) if St\ whether the licence was granted; for the manufacture of sheet glass, applied (c) whether Government have received for grant of a licence for substantial ex- complaints that this company has imported pansion of their capacity on 3-1-59. They machinery under the false pretext and the , also applied for grant of a industrial licence machinery is lying in their godowns in for the manufacture of new articles viz., Calcutta; and wired, figured glass, cathedral and reeded glass on 16-9-1960. (d) whether Government propose to re- fer the matter to the Central Bureau of (b) The firm is licensed for the manu- Investigation? facture of the following items viz., Sheet Glass, Wired & Figured Glass, CathedcaI THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL and reeded galss, subject to the usual ~ INTERNAL TRADE conditions attached to industrial licences. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED): (a) Yes, Sir. One application (c) The figures of production since in· for import of glass drying, washing, cutting ception in respect of all the items are not machines was received which, according to readily available. They would be collected literature supplied was meant for precondi- and laid on the Table of the House. Since tioning of sheet glass for purpose of further- the distribution of the above mentioned items processing including toughening. is not controlled, no information about their distribution is available. (b) The application is under considera- tion of Government. (c) and (d). Government have received Mis. HiadusIan PilkiDgton Glass Workli lAd., Calcutta. a complaint that Mis Hindustan Pilkington Glass Works Ltd., Calcutta have imported machinery for jhe manufact ure of toughened 8103. SHRI mMATSINGKA Will glass. This complaint is being looked into. the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOp· MENT INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- Mis. HiodIl9tan PilkiDgton Glass Works PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Ltd., Calcutta (a) the nanaes of the commodities for the manufacturing of which Mis. Hindustan 8102. SHRI HIMATSINGKA: Will Pilkington Glass Works Ltd. Calcutta the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- had applied for licence; MENT INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to (b) the date on which the licence was state: issued to the Company and the date on (a) the dato on which Mis, Hindustall which it IWted funcliooina; 171 Written Answers APRIL 29, 1969 Written Answers 172 (c) whether this concern manufactured THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL any goeds other than those for which licence DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE ",as granted to it; and AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED) : (a) Guzdar Kalora Coal Mines (d) if so, the details thereof ? Limited :-Regarding Don.-filing of Balance Sheet as a,t 31-12-1965 and Annual Return THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL made upt030-6-1966 defaults continued even DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE after prosecutions under Section 162(1), AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. 168, 210(S) and 220(3) of the Companies AHMED): (a) and (b). Mis. Hindustan Act. Owing to non-compliance with the Pilkington Glass Works Ltd., Calcutta directions of the Court, further prosecution who were registered under the Industries under Section 614A(2) of the Act for the (Development & Regulation) Act, 1951 said documents was un~ on 21-8-1968 on 19-9-1952 for the manufacture of sheet and ended in convictions of the directors. glass had applied for effecting substantial As regards non-filing of Balance Sheet expansion of their capacity of sheet glass as at 31-12-1966 and Annual Return made and for manufacture of new articles viz., upto 30-6-1967, the prosecutions have been wired and figured glass, cathedral and reeded launched under Section 162(1). 168, glass and were granted licences accordingly 210(5) and 220(3) on 20-8-1968 n~ the cases on 13-7·1960 for expansion and on 10-2-1961 are pending in the Court. In respect of for manufacture of new articles. Ba1ance Sheet as at 31-12-1967 and Annual (c) and (d). The firm is reported to have Return made upto 30-6-1968 the necessary made arrangements for the manufacture' default notices were issued on 24-8-1968 and of safety glass, which is not an industry 6-9-1968 respectively and the cases are' requiring an industrial. licence. So far under process. as Governmeut are aware, the firm has not (b) The Calcutta Safe Deposit ComplUlY yet gone into production in this line. Ltd.-The company failed to file its Balance Sheet as at 31-3-1965 and in spite of prosecu- Action lakeD against Mis. Guzdar Coal tions launched under Soctions 210(5), 220 (3) Mines Limited and Messrs Calcutta of the Act, the default continued and further Safe Deposit Ltd. prosecution under Section 614A(2) was launched on 5-8-1967. The case was heard 8104. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : by the court and the accused directors were Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- discharged. In respect of the company's LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND Balance Sheet as at 31-3-1966. prosecutions COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to refer under Section 210(5) and 220(3) were to the replies given to Unstarred Ques- launched on 7-10-1967. In this case also tion 'No. 4337 on the 19th March, 1968 the accused were discharged. In respect and Starred Questio;' No. 699 on the of Balance Sheet as at 31-3-1967, and annual, 27th August, 1968 and state : return made upto 30-9-1967 necessary (a) what further action has been taken prosecutions under Section 162(1), 168, against Mis. Guzdar Coal Mines Ltd., for 210(5) and 220(3) were launched on 27-8-1968 offences under the Companies Act; and the cases are stiU pending. (b) what further progress has been made (c) Question of protecting their interest with the prosecution pending apinst does not arise as the hirers of.'lafe Deposit Mis. Calcutta Safe Deposit Ltd., for similar Lockers can always remove their valuables offences; as and when they like, even if the company goes into liquidation. (c) how it is proposed to safeguard the interests of the public who deposited their (d) Due regard has been taken of the valuables in the Safe Deposit Vault of the interest of the shareholders while presenting Company mentioned in para (b) above; the winding up petitioos against these two and companies. It is considered that on wind- ing up of these two companies, the interest (d) whether it is proposed to wind up the of the shareholders will not be! sacrificed above two companies thereby sacrificing the but to some extent it will be saved on the interests of the sbareholders conoemed. realisation of the assets of the company. 173 Arrest of Indian VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Embassy Official at 174 Djakarta (C.A.) • Without winding up, the entire assets of SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH : As the company are likely to be eroded and soon as we came to know of this incident, eaten up to the complete detriment of the or rather as soon as our Ambassador at sharebolders. Djakarta came to know of this incident, - be took up the matter with the Foreign· Office in Djkarta and brought to the notice of the authorities there that this ~ arrest and detention was against tbe Vienna Convention. And as soon as this was told CALLING ATIENTION TO A MATTER to them, they co-operated and ultimately OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE released him. The question of apology does not arise. REPORlED ARREST .P AN INDIAN EMBASSY OFFICIAL AT DJAKARTA AIRPORT s ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ s ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ 'Pif ? ~ ~ ~~~~~ ~~ m'!iT ~ ~~ ~ f .at ~~ ~ ~ The charges were levelled verbally by the ~ ~~~ local Police at the time when they detained ~~ ~ ~~ biro and arrested him. The charges was theft. They said that he had stolen a ~ ~~~~ suit case from somebody else. But later ~ ~ am: 'flIT anm- I!:[l'? ~ on these charges were not substantiated and we him heard nothina allout it, officially ~ flt;wf ~ '!i1: ~ fW am: 2f.rn or informally. The moment we pro!osted ~ ~ ~ ~~ and we interceded, he was released. 177 Papers Laid VAISAKHA 9, IS91 (SAKA) E. C. Report 178 MR. SPEAKER What• about the (2) A copy of Hindi version of Notifica- contents of the box tion No. G.S.R. 416 publishe,d in Gazette of India dated the 22nd February, 1969, SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH : UDder sub-section (3) of section 637 of the The box was never opened. The box was Companies Act, 1956. [Placed in Library. not seen by anybody. It was not produced See. No. LT-939/69.] before us and we do not know what the box contained. Charges were levelled REVIEW AND ANNUAl. REpORT OF ASHOKA against him but they were not pursued HOTELS AND JANPATH HOTELS afterwards. As regards receivins or wel- LIMITED. coming guests, it is perfectly normal for any Indian oflicial serving abroad, if any THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND relations go there. In this case, the relations CIVIL AVIA nON (DR. KARAN SINGH): turned up the nexT day by another Hight. I beg to lay on the Table a copy each of /' the following papers under·sub-section (I) --;/ of sectiOD 619A of the Companies Act, 12.25 brs. 1956 :- PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE (1) (i) Review by the Government on the Working of the Ashoka Hotels Limited, HEAVY ELECTRICALS (INDIA) LTD., AND New Delhi, for the year 1967-68. HINDUSTAN PHOTO FILMS MANUFACTURING COMPANY LIMITED-REVIEW AND (ii) Annual Report of the Ashoka Hotels, ANNUAL REPORT , Limited, New Delhi for the year 1967-68 along with the Audited Accounts and the TIlE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE comments of the Comptroller and Auditor MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS General thereon. (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : On (2) (i) Review by the Government on the behalf of Shri F. A. Ahmed, working of the Janpath Hotels Limited, New Delhi, for the year 1967-68. I beg to lay on the Table :- (ii) Annual Report of the Janpath Hotels (I) A copy each of the following papers Limited, New Delhi, for the year 1967-68 under sub-section (I) of section 619A of along with the Audited Accquots and the the Companies Act, 1956 :- comments of the Comptroller and Auditor GeDeral theron. [Placed in Ubrary. See (i) (a) Review by the Government on the No. LT-940/69.] working of the Hcavy Electricals (India) Limited. Bhopal, for the year 1967-68. PERFORMANC. BUDGETS SELECTED ORGAN)' SATIONS-1969-70 VOLUME II (b) Annual Report of the Heavy Electri· cals (India) Limited, Bhopal, for the year THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 1967-68 aiong with the Audited Accounts MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI and the comments of the Comptroller and JAGANNATH PAHADIA: On behalf Auditor General thereon. [Placed in of Shri P. C. Sethi, Library. See No. LT-937/69.] I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the (ii) (a) ~ by the Government on the 'Performanoe BudgEts of Selected Orgnisa' working of the Hindustan Photo Films tions-I969-70 Volume II' (Hindi and Manufacturing Company Limited, for the English versions). [Placed in Library. year 1967-68. See No. LT-941/69.] (b) Annual Report of the Hindustan Photo Films Manufacturing Company ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Limited, for the year 1967-68 along with EIoIITY-SEYENTH REPDRT the Audited Accounts and the comments , of the Comptroller and Auditor General SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH thereon. [Pla«d In Library. See No. (Nandyal): I beg to present the Eighty- LT-938j69.] seventh Report of the Estimates Committee 179 P. A. C. Reports APRIL 29, 1969 P. A. C. Reports 180 , IShri P. Venkatasnbbaiahl (6) Seventy-sixth Repdrt on action taken on the Ministry of Foreign Trade and Supply by Government on the recommenda- -Import of Wool, Nylon, Woollen Yam tions of the Public Accounts Com- and other Woollen Products for the Woollen mittee contained in their Seventeenth Textile Industry and its a location to various and Twenty-ninth Reports relating units since OctobC:r, 1962. . to Revenue Receipts-Incometax and General. (7) ~n s n Report on action taken by Government on the recom- PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE mendations of the Public Accounts Committee contained in their nnRTY-SlXTH. FIITY-TlURD, SIX'IY-FlRST, Twenty-fourth Report relating to SIXTY-SEVENTH AND SEVENTY FIFTH TO EIGHTY Revenue Receillts-Customs and SECOND REPORTS Unions Excise. SHRI DATTATRAYA KUNTE (8) n ~ Report on action (Kolaba) : I beg to present the following taken by Government on the recom- Reports of the Public Accounts Committee : mendations of the Public Accounts (I) Thirty-sixth Report on action taken Committee contained in U!eir Forty- by Government on the recommen- second and Sixty-second Reports· dations of the Public Accounts Com- (Third Lok Sabha) relating to Chil- mittee contained in thier Second, dren's Film Society. Third and Seventh Reports relating • (9) Seventy-ninth Report on action to Revenue Receipts. taken by Government on the recom- (2) Fifty-third Report on action taken by mendations of the Public Accounts Government on the reccmmenda- Committee contained in their tions of the Public Accounts Com- Twenty-sixth Report on Appropria- mittee contained in their Fifty-first tion Accounts (Civil), 1965-66 and Report (Third Lok Sabha) and Audit Report (Civil), 1967 relating Nineteenth Report-Defence Ser- to the Ministries of Finance, Indus- vices. trial Development, Company Affairs (Department of Industrial (3) Sixty-first Report on action taken by Development) and Steel, Mines and Government on the recommendations Metals (Department of Iron and of the Public Accounts Committee Steel and Mines and Metals). contained in their Sixty-first Report (Third Lok Sabha) and Faur.eenth (10) Eightieth Report on action taken by Report relating to the Ministry of Government ontho recommenda. Education. tions of the Public Accoupts Committee contained in their (4) Sixty-seventh Report on action taken n ~ Report on action by Government on the recommenda- taken on their First Report regard- tions of the Public Accounts Com- ing Purchase of Road Rollers. mittee contained in their Sixtieth Report (Third Lok Sabha) relating (11) Eighty-first Rel'ort o~ action taken to Excess Payment and Avoidable by Government on the recommenda· Expenditure. tions of the Public Accounts Com- (5) Seventy-fifth Report on action taken mittee contained in their Fourth by Government on the recommenda- Report on action taken on the Sixty· tions of the Public Accounts Com- fourth Report (Third Lok Sabha) mittee contained in their Fifty-ninth regarding Purchase of Defective Report (Third Lok Sabha) relating Tyres. to Ministries of Education, Food, Agriculture, Community Develop- (12) Eighty-second Report on aztion taken ment and Cooperation, Industry and by Government on the recommenda· Department of Social Welfare, tions of the Public ACCQIIIlts Com- 181 p.U.c. Reports VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Finance Bill, 1969 182 mittee contained in their• Twenty- dations contained in their Thirty- seventh Report on Appropriation first Report (Third Lak Sabhal Accounts (Civil), 1965-66, Audit on Alloy Steel Project and Coal Report (Civil), 1967 and Audit Washeries Project of Hindustan Report (Commercial), 1967, relating Steel Limited. to the Ministries ofInformation and Broadcasting; Works, Housing & (6) Forty-sixth Report on Indian Drugs Supply (Department of Works and Pbarmaceuticals Limited. Housing) and Food, Agriculture, (7) Forty-ninth Report on industrial Community Development & C0- Finance Corporation of India. operation (Departments of Agricul- ture and Foo:!). .... -- 12_27 hn. REPORTS OF PUBLIC UNDER- TAKINGS COMMITTEE FINANCE lULL, 1969 THIRTY·SECOND, THIRTY-FIFTH, FORTIETH, FORlY-FIRST, FORTY-FIFTH, FORTy-SIXTH AND THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER F!>RTY-N1NTH REPORTS AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI MORARJI DESAI) : Sir, I move' : SHRI G. S. DHILLON (Taran Taran): I beg to present the following Reports of "That the Bill to give effect to the finan- the Committee on Public Undertaking;: cial proposals of the Central Government (I) Thirty-second Report on action for the financial year 1969-70, be taken taken by Government On the re::om- into consideration". mendations contained in their Ninth 12.27! hn. Report on Central Warehousing Corporation. [Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER in the Chair.] (2) Thirty-fifth Report on action taken by Government on the recommenda- SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA (Cuttack): On tions relating to the Hindustan a point of order. First of all, the question Shipyard Ltd., the Fertilizer Cor"". arises which Bill we are to take into can- ration of India Ltd., and Hindu,tan .ideration. There are two of them, one Steel Ltd., contained in the Seventh presented to us on the Budget Day, Finance Report of the Public Accounts Bill 1969, which was introduced on 28th Committee (Third Lok Sahha) 011 February 1969, whicb was circulated first, and Audit Report (Civil), 1962-Cbap- . the second B,II which was later circulated. ters VIII and IX. We do not know of any procedure by which amendmentll can be effected by simply circu- (3) Fortieth RepJrt on action talcen by lating another copy of the Bill with the Government on tbe recomm.nda- amendments incorporated therein. If the tions relating to Public Undertakings, two Bills bad been identical, there contained in tbe :rwenty-tbird would be no doubt tbat we could consider RepJrt of the ~ Ac.:ounts. eithertbe oue or the other. But herein the Commit:e (Third Lok Sabba) on one line numbers are not given, wbile in the Audit Report (Comm:rcial), 1963. other they are given. Similarly, otber (4) Forty-first Report on action taken by amendments ~ been effected. A cursory glance will itself sbow that some cbanges Government on the recommenda- have been effected in the meantime either in tions contained in their Sixth Report the office of the Finance Ministry or (Third Lolc Sabba) on Fertilizer some where else. On a cursory glance, I bave Corporation of India Limited. detected two, may be there may be more. (5) Fortrifth Report on action takeJI It takes some time to compare the two word by Government on the rOCO;nJDn- for word. ·!>toved with the recommendation of the President. 183 FiIIonce Bill, 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 Finance Bill,l969 184 • [Shri Srinibas Misra] ~~ ~ ~~~ The Finance Bill has to be interpreted by ~ I 3f1T<: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >ilI'm the tax officers and by the courts. We can- not play with it like-this. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ I will draw your attention to p. 42 of the ~ ~ ~ ~ Bill circulated for the second time, line 14- amfu' Jfi f.!; arm • Act, 1947 (18 of 1947) but excluding alcoho- Ifliff.f; ~ ~ mr 'R: CIIm: ~ lic drinks'. In the original Bill, the version doubt is removed, I have got two more fim ~ ~ < 1j iflif 0fTU0f ~ ~ ? points of order. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The original n~~ ~ ~~ Bill is before the House. That is all. ~ ~ ~~ ~~ SHRI D. N. PATODIA (Jalore) : ~ 4I1Q ~ ~ awl' 'liT SII1iI' ms...rr How can that be? The amendments are moved in accordance with the new Bill. ~ ~ I 3Tl'f om II'R ~ f.!;;;r.r ~ 'R: ~~ ~~~ Q SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): You wi\l remember, Mr. Deputy S,peakcr, 'IIi{ IR amlq-;ao)'IIT '" I 'fi ~ om 'i that when the bud&et speech Was delivered 3Tl'f it 'fi 4I1Q om ~ ron I ~ ~ in this HouliC originally, a particular para ~~ u~~ was added reprding the Wealth Tax on i8S Fillance Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Filf(Ulce Bill, 1969 186 agricultural properties. It was not there SOME HON. MEMBERS rose- before. He got a slip from the official ben- AN HON. MEMBER: No Convenience. ches and we objected then and there because the script did not contain the note. At the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Sir, we are time of the introouction of the Finance Bill dealing' with the most important piece of also it was pointed out so ably by Mr. legislation in this House. Various conces- Limaye. At that time we were told that sions are heing given. Our rights cannot at the introduction stage this should not be be treated like this. Even a comma or a full- brought. We were in doubt whether it was stop cannot be changed. How can it be within the legislative competence of this for convenience? Then I can move ano- House. Some technical objoctions were ther amendment for my own convenience ! raised. We kept silent. But at the con- sideration stage, this Bill is quite different SHRI NATH PAl : Sir, the explanation from the one ~ was originally intro- advanced by the Finance Minister was to the duced as Finance Bill of I %9. Supposing effect that so far as he is concerned, the Bill the Finance Bill of 1%9 has to be amended. which he introduced "is the Bill". This is the Who is to amend it? Can the Finance Bill. Then, he added something, that the Ministry do it? It can be amended only other Bill which we are in possession of has by this House after an amendment is moved been distributed by the Lok Sabha Secre- or acceptedoby this House. At the initial tariat. It is rather an extraordinary situa- stage a mistake was committed under the tion. Are we to infer that the Lok Sabha very nose of the hon. Speaker; it was not Secretariat is distributing unauthorised, un- objected to at that time. But anyhoW, authenticated documents. Please apply we kept mum. But now we find that there are fOur mind to it. Now, even in regard to two Bills before the House: is one meant for the authenticated Bills, it is not the Finance the Rajya Sabha and the other for the Lok Ministry which is distributing; every Sabha? What is this ? I cannot under- document is distributed by the Secretariat of stand. Therefore, my contention is that this the Lok Sabha. We have now two Bills. Bill should be certified by the Finance Mini- I therefore point out the lacuna in his state· ster as the original Finance Bill. Otherwise, ment. He stands by the first Bill. We are the other Bill will become redundant. That having this difficulty, and you cannot brush has to be decided. I would urge upon you it aside by saying there is only one Bill. to uphold the dignity of the House and Every document, you try to remember, is proceed. I want your guidance. invariably distributed only by the Secretariat of the Lok Sabha. We do not receive any o ~ documents at all. We have, therefore, '" m.... m ~ aNt two documents now. We want to know fcm#in ~~ ~ which is the correct document. If he says ~ ~ fif;l:rr ~ n~~ that the first one is the document, who is responsible for the second document which ~~~~~ 'fiT varies with the first document? I am not ~ ~~~ '>«ii ~~ expecting him to give an answer. I request ~ ~ ~ n ~ ~ you to enlighten us. ~ ~~ iJ ~ , 7 'fl. ~ ~ ~ ~ I ~~ ~ MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The original Bill was intr&tuced here. That i s all. MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: May .I point There is no question of its being amended or out to Mr. Natll Pai that only at one place it being called "as amended". There is no some explanatory note was added: "18 of 'such question. We are dealing with the Bill 1947." And the lines are marked here, for as it was introduced here. facility, because when we have a debate on the amendments, it will be easy when it is SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Why two Bills properly lined. Beyond that, if there is no then? change .... , MR. DepUTY SPEAKER : Perhaps for SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: There is a the convenience of Members. change. 187 Finance Bill, 1969 APRIL 29. 1969 Finance Bill, 1969 188 SHRI SRINffiAS MISRA: We do not SHRI MORARJI DESAI: Sir, I object know. Somebody should say it is correct. to the word' 'trickery' used by the hon. Member. I have made no charge on the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : This is cor- Lok Sabha Secretariat. I have only said rect. I will say further that if there is any that this was not circulated by me; this was difference, we will be guided by the original Circulated by the Lok Sabha Secretariat. It Bill that was introduced. That is all. was not at my instance that this was done. I think the hon. Member is used to doing SHRI NATH PAl : Sir, you did not ans- tricks and therefore he is saying this. wer my question. Why do we have two Bills? SHRI H.N. MUKERJEE : Sir, I can take SHRI MORARJI DESAI: The two Bills ~ n s as well as give blows. The words are the same in substance. 'trickery' that I used relates to the Finance Minister saying that he is certifying some- AN HON. MEMBER: What did he thing to be an exact copy "of something else in say? view of a discrepancy having already been MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : He is certi- pointed out. If that is a definition of truth- fying that both are the same. fulness he is welcome to it. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta SHRI MORARJI DESAI : J know how North East) : It is amazing. trickly you are. SHRI NATH PAl : If both are the same, SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: You have a then why have two documents ? Don't o~ face to show to the country. see the inconsistency in what you are saying? If both are identical, why have two documents ? SHRI MORARJI DESAI: My face much better than yours. (Inlerrruplion). SHRI MORARJI DESAI : If is for the convenience of the Members that the Lok- SHRI NA TH PAl : That only ladies can Sabha Secretariat did this. If you object to decide. that, in future it will not be done. (Tnlerrup- lion). It is done by the Lok Sabha Secre- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, order. tariat for the convenience of Members. This is not fair. It has been said that except for that small explanatory two words there is SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: Is it open no change in substance and the Finance to anybody, whether it is the Secretariat of Minister has assured the House that there is the Lok Sabha 'or any of us, for our con- no change. If there is any change any- veniecne to make changes in an official docu- where we will be guided by the original Bill ment, howmever formal those changes might that was introduced. This was done for be? If it is a formal change, we convenience, that is my presumption. are proceeding in a formal manner. We Therefore, on this point I do not think Shri are laying down the law of the land relating Nath Pai or Shri Mukerjee should waste to taxation and we are going to put in some more time over it. more syllables and some more letters only because it is for some body's convenience ! SHRI NATH PAl: Sir, how can you say Mr. Nath Pai pinpointed the matter very that I am waSting the time. I have never clearly. been guilty of that chars<- in this House (Interruption). / In so far as the Lok Sabha Secretariat is concerned, it has been accused, so to speak; MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: On this basis by the Finance Minister; it has got to clear let us proceed. itself. Formally speaking, it is purely technical matter. You have got to take a stand which is in keeping with this matter, SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Sir, on what and the Finance Minister cannot perform a basis should I proceed? I have both the kind of trickery by saying "I certify this to Bills with me. Tell me which Bill is my be an exact copy" which it is not. guide or Bible to me? 189 FinJJllce Bill, 1%9 VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) FinJJllce Bill, 1969 190 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have Clause 28 deals with regulatory duties of already said we are guided ~ the original customs. It reads like tbis: Bill as it was introduced. Therefore, there "With a view to regulating or bringing is no question of any misunderstanding or greater economy in imports, there shall be any thought of confusion. If somebody levied and collected, with effect from such wants to refer to it for the sake of conveni- date, and at such rate, as may be specified ence-the second Bill-then I will allow in this behalf by the Central Government him to refer to it. That is all. by notification in the Official Gazette .. " SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA: Sir, shall we The Central Government is being given take it that the Finance Ministry will move power to fix the rate and fix the date for amendments if there is any discrepancy collection of regulatory taxes. No mention between this and the other including this "18 of this clause 28 has been made in the Memo- of 1947" ? randum . MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER• : The hon. Clause 32 deals with regulatory duties of Member should not indulge n~ us me excise. It reads : for using the word-dribbling on this "With a view to regulating or bringing point. It should not take place at this point. greater economy in consumption, there It is meant for understanding of the House. shall be levied and collected, with effect Therefore, it there is any substance in any from such date, and at sucb rate as may point of order I am prepared to listen ~o it. be specified in tbis behalf by the Central If there is any amendment the House WIll be Government by notification in tbe Official guided by tbe Bill that was introduced on tbe • Gazette, on all or any of tbe goods men- first day wben it was introduced. When we tioned in tbe First Scbedule to the Central start amendments we will refer to the text Excises Act as amended by this Act or as introduced in the original Bill. So far any subsequent Central Act, a regulatory as your first point of order is concerned that duty of excise whicb shall not exceed 15 is over. percent. Of the value of tbe goods as SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA: Are we to determined in accordance with the pro-. take tbat "18 of 1947" is not in tbe Bill ? visions of section 4 of tbe Central Excises Act;" MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am referring MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Clause 28 I to tbe Bill as it was introduced. If it is not' understand, but I do not see any delegation there, it is not there. - of power in clause 32. SHRI SRINIBASMISRA: Sir, my second SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA : A maximum point of order is this. Please refer to. rule :0 of 15 per cent has been fixed but still power of the Rules of Procedure. It reads hke this: is delegated. Therefore a Memorandum "A Bill involving proposals for the dele- under rule 70 must accompany the Bill. gation of legislative power shall further be Please read tbe Memorandum. It says : accompanied by a memorandum explain- "Suh-clause (a) of clause 26 seeks to re- ing sucb proposals and drawing atten- place sub-section (2) of section 2A of the tion to their scope and stating also Indian Tariff Act, 1934, by a new sub- wbether tbey are of norDJll1 or of excep- section so as to enable tbe Central Gove- tional cbaracter." rnment to make rules for tbe purpose of • determining the additional duty leviable Here, in tbis Bill, there are three clauses that on an imported article, such duty being delegate power of taxation to the Govern- on account of the excise duty leviable on ment. They are clauses 26, 28 and 32- raw materials, components or ingredients used in tbe production or manufacture of MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Have you - a like article in India. seen the Memorandum regarding -delegated legislation? Clause 26 is mentioned there. Tbe aforesaid matter in respect of wbich rules will be made is a malt.r of procedure SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA: Wbere are tbe and details and il is hardly practicable to other o~ and 321 provide for tbese in tbe Bill itself." 191 Fi1lll1lCe Bill, 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 Firtllllu Bill, 1969 192 MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Here no rate up to date. He bas always been doina it. has been mentioned and therefore there is These are tbings wbicb arc technical. Yct, I de1ep.tion of power. Mention of it has cannot say that tbey must be overlooked. been made in the Memorandum. But, in this particular matter, what has been mentioned here is clause 26, wbere no rate is SHRI SRINmAS MISRA: There is a prescribed and, therefore, it is really delega- difference between these two cases of dele- ted. I n all otber duties like tbis, tbe gation of pOwer. There is regulated delep- maximum is prescribed and within that the tion and unregulated delegation. In clauses government always varies. That bas been 28 and 32, the maximum is fixed in clause tbe ,rJCIice tbrougbout. Therefore, tbis is 32 and it is not so in clause 28. There is not . delegated in that sense tbe maximum delegation of power to regulate. In both 28 beyond that government could not go is and 32 there is deleption of power to regu- prescribed. This has been tbe established late tax. So Rule 70 applies. Why should practice in tbe House and that is why it has they not come with a Memorandum in been done. If in future ;, is wanted that this respect of these clauses. also must be mentioned, certainly we can do so. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: His contention is that you have fixed a certain maximum MR. DEPUTY SPEAKBR : What about and by implication there is delegation of clause 32 ? power. What What was the other point of SHRI MORARJI DBSAI : Tbere is no order? difference between clause 32 and clause 28. SHRI NATH PAl : Sir, no second point SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY : of order can be raised before this is disposed Sir, do you allf" witb this vieil' ? of. That is the specific rule. So, we want your rulina on this. Otherwise, there will be con- • MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKBR : By implica- fusion. So, let there be one at a time. til)ll tbere is some d31egation of pOW3r in clauses 28 and 32. Tbat I bave admitted. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have gone But he bas said thlt it is of a tecbnical through clauses 28 and 32. By implication, nature; because form3rJy wben we used to there is some de1cgation of power. have a regular duty the maximum and mini- mum would be mentioned and witb tbat cer- SHRI SURENDRANATH DWiVEDY : tain powers were delegated which were not (Kendrapara) : Clause 28 is very clear. mentioned, because it was of a technical nature_ Tbat is the explanation given l1y the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Clause 32 is Minister of Finance. not so clear to me. So, I would request the Government to correct the memorandum. We can proceed further on that basis. SHRI DATrATRAYA KUNrE (Kola- ba): Formerly it was not the practice of this SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY : House, is no valid reply. Tho bon. Sir, you must remember tbat this is a Finan- Finance Minister just noil' referred to tbe cial Bill; not a normal discussion. I do not Practice obtainins in this House. Espocially think you can permit them to proceed with- when we are dea1ing witb a Finance Bill. out a memorandum. we havo to be very punctilious and careful about tbe 1anguaae we use in th. Bill itself. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: As Shri Tbe bon. Finance Minister'bas, in a way, Srinibas Misra bas pointed out, there is a coacedod that the mnimulD has beon laid certain nicety. I have ..- throusb the dowII but latitude bas b_ left with the clauses. In c\ause 28 there is, by implica- aovemment to operate within th= ~ u tion. some deleplion. I would like tbe that is exactly what is caUed d:leption. In Finance Minister to explain this. clause 26 be admits that tho-delcptioD is ua· limited. But, in this particular cas," even in SHRI MORARJI DESAI : I certainly clause 32, th: deleption is up to the mui- give lIfeat cred it to the hon. Member for bis mum limit. But as lonl as tbe BiU does not analysis. It is good because that keeps us specify what the House wants i: to do and it 193 Fl1IflIIce Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Finance Bill, 1969 I 94 is left to the discretion, well, that • is delega- SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA : Now comes tion and there can be no other interpretation. the most important and salient objection to Coming to past practices. if we find that the Bill and that is to clause 24 whicb seeks the past practice is not proper, then it is our to redefine "asset" in order to include agri- duty to correct ourselves bacause we have cultural land under "Wealth-tax". erred in the past. Firstly, the scheme of our Constitution is MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Already the that agricultural land, its value and its Finance Minister has said that we were income, are all State subjects and n"t Central following a certain practice in this house subjects. Entry 82 of List I of Sa ,enth for a number of years. I see the conten- Schedule says: - tion of Shri Kunte that even if we were "Taxes on income other than agricul- following a particular t!.rocedure and prac- tural income. n tice, when it is queSlioned, it becomes very relevant. There is no doubt about it. That is a Union su bject. -Therefore this memorandum needs a little amendment and that will be done. Entry 86 says: SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY : "Taxes on the capital value of the assets, We cannot proc&d without the amendment. exclusive of agricultural Ian d, of indivi- duals and companies; taxes on the capi- SHRI MORARJI DESAI: I accept that tal of companies." it can ...... (Interruption). ~ 86 says that the capital value of SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY : assets excluding agricultural land is a Uition Let it be circulated today and we will take it subject. up tomorrow. In his Budget speech the Finance Minister SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: There are so stated clearly that he had taken the opinio:t many cases when the Bill was not proceeded of the Attorney General that agricultural with further. The past rulings in the matter land could be brought within the term were that. Where the Speaker ruled or upheld "asset" so far as wealth-tax is concerned. the objection raised by any hon. Member, the It is surprising. I do not know how usual practice in this House has been that the this strange opinion the Attorney General Bill is either withdrawn or is not discussed gave, with due respect to him. It is neces- the same day or the next day ijnless a parti- sary that the Attorney General be summ"aed cular memorandum was attached to it. Tbe before this House to give his opinion as to President's recommendation was not there how he supports such an opinion. Clearly in the case of many Bills.-One of them was the Constitution is against it. Entry 86 raised by Shri Misra and ultimately the SNa- clearly excludes the capital value of assets so ker said, "I uphold this objection", and the far as agricultural land is concerned. Bill was sent back or thrown in their face for amendment. I would request you to uphold They may say that it will come under tbe the dignity of this House. Nothing is gollig residua! entry. Coming to the State List, to be lost within two or three hours.• List II, entries 46 to 49 say :- MR. DEPUTY-SiEAKER : I do not "Taxes on agricultural income. Duties see the point that it needs reintroduction. in respect of succession to agricultural Amendment of the memorandum regarding land. Estate duty in respect of agricul- delegation of powers will be introduced. tural land. Taxes on lands and build- That will be done. ings." SHRI RANGA (Srikakulam) : Let the If it is a tax on lands and building', it is (';overnment take advantage of it and here in the State List and is clearly excluded circulate tbe amendment. from the Union List. So, how caD this Parliament impose a tax on agricultural land ~ MR. : Tbat will b. so far as wealth-tax is concerned ? circulated after tbe Lunch Hour. 195 Finance Bill 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 Finance Bill, 1969 196 13 brs. ~ ~ ;;ft ~ ~ ~ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER. This point ;a;f i!iT ~ ~ ~ ret!: ~ f.re was perhaps anticipated and, therefore, the ~~ ~~ ~ ~ Finance Minister has placed before the mr if if'i!C ~ 'l'IfI'IVr House the opinion of the Attorney-General am!" P 1l'- on this point. Once we have before us the ~ m-ifc 3lT'fi ~~ ~ opinion given by the' higbest law offico:r ~~~ n ~ ~ ~o ~ of the Government, I do not think tbat thiS can be raised. or course, you are rree to ~ if 'liT ~ am: ~ if 'liT ~ I move a motion that the Attorney-General be ~~ 'l'IfI'IVr ~ ~ summoned. (llIterruptions). ~ ~ 'fi"T 3IT'f;f ~ ~ am: lPl" SOME HON. MEMBERS rose: ~ ~~ ffi" ~ arifm ~ ~ ~ ~ m if'i!C 'l'IfI'IVr 'liT 't- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He wants to ~ ~ ~ f.re if I ~ f.re if oppose it. ~~~~~ SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY : ~ ;f ~ i!iTe f'lil\T ~ ~ ~ 3R'J1'icr ~ You must dispose of this point first. m"hr f.re ~~ ~~ ~ ~ arifm ~~ ~ -n Q ~ : ~~ 3IT'f 'f'l ~~ 'liT ~ ~ if tJ<'Rft ~ ~ If!fT IffiT ~ ~~ ~ ~ f.re ~ 'l<: 'fl I 3l'1"1:;a;f ott imI" i!iT m;ffl ~ f.f; ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ mm ~ ~ ~ it If!fT 'fl I ~ ~ ~ ret!: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I 3IT'f ~ ~ .,.,re~ R ~ Fceq ---"'=- ~ ~ 29 ~ 'Ii[ ~ ~ ~ ~ 'liTf'li<:'IiT ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~ ~ ~~ ~ 0IT0'!T 'm:aT ~ I ~ ~ ~~ l\"T1f<'IT ~ l!ir i!iT I 3IT'f ~ <.m ~ ~~ ~~ ml ~ ~~ I ~ ~~~o ~ posals of taxation would be applic.ble. In ~~ I ~~~~ cases where genuine agriculturists develop ~ I ci'tl\'"itfar.!" ~~ ~ 'flit farms for agricultural activities, they would ~ ~ ? ~~ ~ ~ ~ be excluded. Sir, that will amount to dis- am: crimination under the Constitution. On rn 'liT ~ ana [Shri Natll Pail connection wi,h property which was taken over. ]:hen the Minister said, 'I have absolutelytothe Constitutional and procedu- consulted the law officer'. We put a ral irregularity. Having said that, may spocific question to him as to who was that I request you not to brush aside our request law officer. There are so many hlw officers- on the ground that he must have consulted yesterday we heard a statement from the the Attorney General on this point. We Deputy Minister of Law who is also a law are the people who need to be satisfied and officer. We wanted to hear the opinion it is our right which you are called upon of tile" Attorney General on the point. to uphold. I hope you will do the need- Then a Committee was appointed and the ful. opinion of the Attorney General was shown to the Committee. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Sir, I would only confine myself to the specific point Here a motion has ~ o requesting raised by Sbri Misbra. My friend Sbri Government to ask the Attorney General Nath Pai has already said that when com- to appear before us, and I have seconded pulsory deposit scheme was introduced in. it. this House, objection was raised on the ground whether it was reasonable restriction SHRI MORARJl DESAI : If the House or not. It has to be defined not by the wants to hear the Attorney General, I have Finance Minister and therefore the Attorney no objection. He will come ~n address General was summoned. He made some it when the clause comes up for discussion. observations and we were allowed to put questions, though we were not fully salis-. SHRI NATH PAl: That was very good' fied. Still we did it. Now the Finance of him. Minister said that the Attorney General has been consulted. We want two things .... SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Another point remains. You have not given your ruling AN HON. MEMBER: From the Govern- on the point of order raised by Shri Madhu ment? Limaye. He asked what are we discussing? This is not a Finance Bill. Can we discuss SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : From the Ramayan without Sita? We want your Government or the Alec, I do not know. ruling on the point. This particular question has created a furore within the Ruling Party. Some MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The House said that it is for the States to legislate on will now adjourn for lunch till 2.15 P.M. this particular point. when I shall give my considered opinion. 1 would only say that in this case either 13.12 brs. the written opinion of the Attorney General should be laid on the Table and circulated- The Lok SaMa adjourned for Lunch till that will be something--or' he should be quarter past Fourteen of the clock. asked to come to the House and explain it. SHRI NATH PAl : At the earliest The Lok SaMa re·assembled after Lunch possible moment. at sixteen minut" past Fourteen of the Clock. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: There was [MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKBR ~ the Chair.] another inStance. Yau were a member of the House then, but not the Deputy RE. : ARREST OF MEMBERS Speaker. . SHRI UMANATH (Pudukkottai) SHRI NATH PAl: But you were a very A grave contempt of the House has been distinguished member of the Opposition. committed. If Members of Parliament SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : That was in arrested while proceeding to attend the connection with the I..and Acquisition. session of the House, it is a grave contempt Bill piloted by Shri S. K. Pati!o There was of the House. Shri Gopalan, Shri Chakra- a Supreme Court decision and thi s was in pani and Shri Jyotirmoy Basu were arrested 201 Arrest and Conviction VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) 0/ Members 202 this morning at 11.30 houB near Windsor detained these three Members of Parliament· circle while they were proceeding to this and prevented them from Yoting ? House and taken into custody by the police. They were proceeding to this House by SHRI E. K. NAYANAR (Palghat) : the Raisina Road·and in the corner where They have to come and vote in the elections it meets the Windsor circle all the three to the Committees. were taken into custody. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : So far as the three Members of Parliament are Secondly, a batch of about 56 persons, concerned, I shall find out from the Minis- unemployed youth who belong to the ter and ask them to place the facts before Socialist Youth Federation had come all the House. Secondly, so far as the intima- the way from Kerala to represent to this tion part is concerned, I do not know, and House because this is the sovereign body. I will have to find out from them whether They had also ~n rounded up by the they have received any intimation or not. police and they are thus prevented from About those who have come from Kerala, being able to make representation to this well-educated and all that, I am helpless House. This question must be taken up because that does not fall within my province.- seriously and the hon. Minister concerned You have brought it to the notice of the should make a statement. You must direct Government and the Government will take the Govenfment to release immediately all note of it. the three hon. Members who were arrested and they must permit them to attend the SHRI E. K. NAYANAR : Those three House. This should also be taken up as .MPs should vote before 4-30 p.m. a matter of contempt of this ·House. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall ask the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs to SHRI . S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) look into it. What else can I do ? May I draw your attention to rule 229 ? "When a member is arrested on a criminal SHRI UMANATH : It is not merely charge or for criminal offence or is a question of a statement from the Minister. scntenoed to imprisonment by a court or It is a question of three Members who are is detained under an executive order, the in Delhi and who were coming to attend committing judge, l11118istrate or executive the session this morning. They are being authority as the case may be, shall imliledia- continuously prevented from attending tely initimate such fact to the Speaker the session. My question is, whether indicating the reasons for the arrest." they are in custody and if so, they must be immediately permitted to attend the session. In this case, have they done anything They must be enabled to attend the session. When Mr. Biswas who was a Member If you call for the statement of the Minister, of this House was detained in West Bengal that will not help us. Those Members should not b, pr.vc:atd fro:n cO.1ling this House took exception to it and even here; they must be enabled to be present referred the mailer to the Privileges Commi- in this House, and apart from the elections ttee and the magistrate or whoever it was ·which are taking place and in which they had to apologise to the House. Naturally, should be enabled to vote, they must be we have forgiven that. Now in this parti- allowed to participate in the proceedings cular ·case, these men who h....., come from of this House today. That question cannot are UIIfII1ployed youth; some of Kerala be solved by a statement by Government them are engineers, doctors, and so on. and immediately they must b. enabled to They wanted really to present a petition attend the session. to this House. I would request you to consider this matter. Have you received MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have to any intimation about it, and if you have ascertain the facts. Otherwise, how can not received any intimation as yet,-it I give a ruling ? I will have to get the facts Iuis happened in Delhi-it is a shame on from the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs the Members of Parliament. Today, there who is here. He will place the facta before is Yoting takiJIgplace to the three Committees the House. If _thins has happened of Parliament. Should we take it that which constitutes a contempt of the House, the Confress Government has deliberately we sbalI tak.e note of it. ' 203 Arrest and conviction APRIL 29, 1969 of Members SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR (Peermade) : What about the three Members of Parlia- Sir, the point raised by Shri Indrajit Gupta ment ? If they are not enabled to come is a wider one.-Is this not the House of out by 4.30, they will not be in a position the People? The people are coming here to exercise their votes in these very important to represent a vital and urgent matter and elections to the three Committees of Parlia- there is this Government, this satanic ment. The voting time ends at 4.30 p.m. Government, which is suppressing the people. They must be released before that time. The Members of Parliament are arrested. Otherwise, it is a breach of privilege. What is going to happen? It is not only a qucistjon of three MPs. Large numbers of People are coming from other places SHRl SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY and they are arrested. What is happening (Kendrapara): The matter is really urgent in this country ? if, as has been stated by Mr. Umanath, they were arrested while they were proceed- SHRI H. N. MUKflRJEE (Calcutta ing towards the House. If there was any North East) : How does the House reconcile cause of action in between that is a different itself to the fact that in the morning thing altogether. But if they were arrested three Members of this House are arrested while they were proceeding to the House, and no intimation is given, Ministers do not then I think immediately some steps have seem to know anything and we alone are to be taken to see that they at least come keen that they must come to thIs House ? to participate in the proceedings of the This House on principle should be keen House; and the other proceedings in respect that the information should have been of them may be carried on in due course. made available. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You know MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Could you there is no immunity from arrest if they tell me what time this happened ? have committed any breach of the law. For breach of the law, there is no immunity. AN. HON. MEMBER : At 11 O'Clock. (Interruption) It may be outside the precincts of the House. Order, order. I am replying MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Under the to the point made by Shri Dwivedy. If rules they should have given intimation. they were arrested within the precincts That I can say very well. If in this city of the House then certainly no policemen three Members of Parliament were arrested, could enter and arrest any Member. There for whatever reason, intimation should is ~un but outside, the House, in have been given to us immediately. There case they have committed an offence, is is no doubt about it. I am going to find there any immunity 1 I am not clear on out if there is any intimation. that point. I do not think they enjoy that immunity from arrest. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI As far as the question of intimation is MORARJI DESAI) : May I say that the concerned, so far I can say that no intimation Home Minister, Shri Chavan, is out ,of has come. The Minister is taking note of station 1 The Minister of State for Home it and he will take necessary steps.-That Affairs, Shri Shukla, is just now replying is a in the Rajya Sp.bha to a Calling Attention notice. We have asked him to come here as soon as he is free so ~ he can say SHRl UMANATH : Immediately, within something about it. I myself do not know 10 to 15 minutes. anything about it. SURI INDRAJIT GUPTA : How long MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : When the are we going to pay for the sins committed Minister of State for Home Affairs is here, by the Sadhus three years ago 1 These We will take it up ...... (Interrup- people who have come-are they never tions). going to be allowed to go on the streets 1 They are bei"g arrested. (In- SHRI S. KUNDU so ~ : Sir, the terruption). proceedings of the House .should stand 20S Arrest and conviction 0/ Members VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Finance 206 Bill, 1969 adjourned until it is taken up. The Minister SOme Members of Parliament have been can be called here even by telephone. arrested ? Have you got any information from some magistrate ? (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We can take any action against the authorities as SHRI K. ANIRUDHAN (Chirya-kil) : they have not acted properly. But we will Sir, you should not allow them to behave not adjourn the process for that. That is as if they are in Faridabad. They should not possible. remember that they are now in Parliament. ~ 11'! ~ ~ : ~ SHR! SHEO NARAIN : Sir, have you got any information from any magistrate ~ ~ l{ ~ 3TT'f 1f'« m 4' 'lit about these arrests ? ~~ ~ I II 3TT'f ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ jR l{ I 3TT'f ~ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: When this matter was raised, I made it very clear ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ that if they were arrested outside the precincts If>m ~ am: ~ ~ fit;Irr ;;mIT then no immunity is involved. I will ~ llT 3l1T<: ~ ~ ~ ;;it ~ ascertain the facts from the Minister con- cerned. As the Deputy Prime Minister ~ 'Ii'l'¥ ~ ~ ~ 3l1T<: ~ fit;Irr has said, he is in the other House and ;;mIT ~ ~ ~ ~ f.t; ~ u would be here soon. ~ 1JTlrel' ~ amrr I ~ iflIT 3TT'f ~ ~ m;ffi f.t; 3l1T<: "J"f ~ ~ 3I'l"m1 am:;;n{ ;f; aRf'icr ~ fifillT ~ fifi" 14'30 hrs, ~ ~~ ~ ~ f;m; FINANCE BILL, 1969--Contd. ~ Qn ~~~~ ~ mf.t; ~ [Shri Ranga] it should not he discussed here at all; it should not be passed at all. Therefore There is a third list where whatever has - I would like to invoke the Chair's inherent not been mentioned specifically either in authority 10 ~ this part of it to be the State List or in the Central List may outside the authority of this House and, later· on come to be included in the therefore, the Fio1IlCC Bill excluding this Central List. But Government had part alone should be allowed to be discussed an evil genius in the Finance Ministry in this House and voted upon. So far as the and also in the Cabinet and somehow or wealth-tax on agricultural land, is concerned, other their eyes became green when the I _t the Chair to rule that it is beyond so-called Green Revolution began to show t he powers. of this House and this Govern- somewhere on the horizon and, therefore, ment. they wanted somehow or other to bring the peasants and agriculturists within the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This point, mischier of Ihe Central system of taxation. I thought, was dispOSfd of in the morning, So, they have included it here. because, a point was raised here regarding the competence of this House taxing agri- I would like to assure the House and cultural wealth. The Finance Minister warn my friend that whatever may be the . has acceded to the request and he is going, advice that he has received-and he thinks I presume, to ...... that the House would be given by the Attorney General-if by any chance you SHRI RANGA : I am not bothered about would not sustain our point of order and that. (Interruption) That do,s not justify he would not listen to the warnings given this House going into it. by so many Members from different ~ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: After listen- including his own party, and insists upon ing to the Attorney-General, in case as you getting this thing included in their taxation have suggested .. (interruption) This will be system, I for one speaking for the kisans when that clause will come before the would try my best to collect money-beg, House and not at this stage; that is not the borrow and raise subscriptions everywhere,C.. practice. When that clause comes before and go to the Supreme Court and I feel this House, the Attorney-General is going confident that it would come to be quashed. to address. Even after that address, if the But, at the same time, the Chair has Chair is not convinced about it, then the a special duty. It has got to look at these Chair can exercise some judicial discretion things not from the legal point of view but in this matter, as you have said, but not at also from the commonsense point of view this stage. But you mllst bear in mind one and then see, as we see it, whethe< really thing. We have followed a certain practice. this can be construed to be coming within If it is per se sO'11cth'ng beyond the com- the purview of this Parliament and the petence, thon cortahly tho Chair exercises Centre by any stretch of ordinary imagina- its authority, but if it is somothing beyond tion, Dot a trickster's imagination or of an the competence of the Chair in the sense expert who would indulge in legal quibbles. that ultimately the issu, ne.ds to be deter- That responsibility is on the Chair. mined by the Supremo Court, then it will go to the Supreme Court. At this stage, It is not as if I am asking the Chair to I do not think that I am called upon to say use this authority in an extraordinary something o~ this claus •. manner. Vilthall!hai Patel h!ld. uaed it once. Several times later on· your ~ 'l1 ~ foI'ri: ~ ~ ~ ~ son, the Speakers here, had uaed their in- ~ ~ ~ ~~ fluence and authority whenever they found that. what was being suggested and proposed ~ m HprT'l>'T ~ m ccmtz" aft'T mu 'liT the purview of this House and, therefore, o ~ I 209 Finance Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9.1891 (SAKAl Finance Bill, 1969 210 ~ 219 ~ : • ~ ~ 't [Morarji Desai] MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You have referred to the' Constitution also. It is from the purview of this measure and very clear that the financial proposals con- I will be moving necessary amendments tained in the speech should reHect in the to the Finance Bill at the appropriate Finance Bill that is placed before the House. time." All the proposals in the speech are reHected here, broadly. There is an inherent power I had, therefore, at that time also contemp- of amendment to the Government at the lated only an amendment, not change imme- last n~ also. The question now have diately. If I added to the written speech, cropped ~ because a certain statement I was entitled to do so. There is no provi- or addendum was circulated later on. While sion in the Constitution or the Rules of making the speech also he read it. In Procedure or anywhere else that the speech that also this is contained. That he has should be always a written one. It is done pointed out...... in order that the Members of the House have some convenience and they are able SHRI MADHU LIMA YE : Is it adden- to follow it. If I do not distribute it to- dum or amendment ? morrow, nobody can raise any objection to it and nobody can say that I have not MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Addendum. distributed it. I can change it to the last moment and I can say whatever I want to SHRI MADHU LIMAYE: Ifit'lsadden- speak except that it must be consistent with dum in the speech, how can it be amend- what I put forward. This is what I have ment in the Bill ? done. I have said that only in order to see that the Hon. Members do not get an MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have idea different from the intention. I specified understood these niceties, but even then, this, and that is a1l I did in that. If that looking at the Bill as it is, does it constitute slip came, it was in order to see that the such a lapse on the part of Government ...• words are not used loosely and any such thing may not happen. Even otherwise, SHRI MADHU LIMA YE : Very serious. I was going to say that. Even before that, I said that it was going to be done. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No. Till the last moment, the Finance Minister is entitled to change it. Therefore, there n~~ ~ ~ ~ is no question of Rule 219 being vitiated or that vitiating the Finance Bill' or the ~ -q ~ #!;;r ~ R<'l' -q finance proposals. Therefore, I do not ~ ~ I agree with my hon. friend when he says that these are not proper finance proposals MR. ~ ; Does it or Finance Bill within the meaning of that constitute such a lapse that would invalidate Rule. I cannot agree with it. this Bill and I should ask Governmen t to reintroduce it? I do not think his SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Are you contention is borne out by facts. satisfied ? SHRI MADHU LIMA YE : Give some MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am giving logical reasons. my ruling because I have heard both sides. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER.: He agrees n ~ ~ ~ ~ with me that all the major proposals con- tained in the speech are reHected in the Bill ~ arq;f '!WrIT -q CI'IOO ~ ~ ~ tit except this one, but even there, the Finance ~~ -q im ~ ~ ~ #!;;rim Minister has ,stated that he would be moving ~ ~ ~~ ~ u ~ the necessary amendments to the Finance Bill at the appropriate time. The time to ~ ~ move amendments is when we take up c\ause-by-dause consideration. Therefore, n Q ~ ~~~ it is not of such an importance, as would ~ n~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ invalidate the Bill. Finance Bill, 1969 VAISAKIiA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Findnce Bili, 1969 214 SHRI MADHU LIMAYE It is very The valuable suggestions I have received important. both from hon. memhers and others, have been of considerable assistance to me in MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : He may formulating these amendments, and I should consider it so. But I do not. like to lake this opportunity of expressing my gratitude to all those who have offered '" "'! ~ : ffi't ~ if,..n w comments on the proposals. I have also had the benefit of consultation with my ~~ ~~ colleagues in the Cabinet. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Therefore, let us proceed now. In the sphere of direct taxes, the Bill contains proposals for the simplification and SHRI RANDHIR SINGH (Rohtak) : rationalisation of the scheme for payment On a point of order 'i"ich is entirely different. of advance tax. It has, however,. been lbat is about pumping sets and tube-wells. represented that certain classes of companies Kindly see the law about this. I would closing their accounts on 31 December refer to sec. 3 of the Tenancy Act where the would suffer hardship if required to pay definition of 'land' is given. Are pumping the last instalment of advance tax by 15 sets and tube-wells covered in that definition Docember. The hardship arises in cases of the word. 'land' ? I want your ruling. in which the bulk of the sale proceeds is realised a few months after the close of SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA : Which the aocounting year in view of the proposal Tenancy Act ? that taxpayers will be under an obligation tll estimate current income and pay advance SHRI RANDHIR SINGH Punjab tax thereon, where such tax exceeds the Tenancy Act. advance tax demanded by more than one· third of the latter. I therefore propose MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : If he has to make a provision enabling the Central any objection to the imposts on those items, Board of Direct Taxes to allow the last whether in terms of the Constitution or by instalment of advance tax to be paid on way of a point of order, he can raise 15 March instead of on 15 Docember by it at the appropriate stage. classes of assessees to be notified in the official gazette. SHRI RANDHIR SINGH : This might help Government also. I shall now refer to the proposal in the SHRI MORARJI DESAI: I am dropping Bill for including in the net wealth of the levy on pumping sets. He need not individuals and Hindu undivided families, raise it. the value of agricultural land and subjecting it to wealth·tax at the current rates. Hon. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : He has got Members will recall that in the Budget his. point now. Speech I had stated that Government would consider as to how genuine agriculturists SHRI MORARJI DESAI : I have already could be exempted from the scope of this moved the Motion for consideration. levy. The common concept of a genuine • agriculturist is that of a farmer of moderate The importqt features of the proposals means whose main occupation is agri. in the Bill were indicated by me in my culture and who works on the land. Various budget speech and the details of the specific alternative formulations for exempting provisions have been explained fully in the genuine agriculturists from the scope of explanatory memorandum circulated to the levy have been considered and the hon. members with the budget papers. I constitutional validity of these examined shall not, therefore, take up the time of the carefully. It is considered that the most House by going over this ground again, appropriate way of exempting genuine but shall confine myself mainly to explaining agriculturists from the scop. ofthe levy the changes I propose to make in the pro- would be to provide a separate exemption visions of the Bill. in respect of agricultural land. 215 Finance Bill, 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 FilUlnce Bill, 1969 216 [Shri Morarji Desai] I turn now to excise duties. There has been considerable criticism of the levy on Accordingly, I propose to provide an ex- fertilisers and power driven pumps. My emption separately for agricultural land Cabinet colleagues and I have given the upto the value of Rs. I. 5 lakhs in each case. -most careful consideration to the various This would be in addition to the existing points that have been made in this regard general exemption from wealth tax on the in this House and outside. We have tirst Rs. one lalch of net wealth in the case come to the conclusion that the proposal of individuals and Rs. 2 lakhs in the case to levj ~ s duty on power driven pumps of Hindu undivided families. This would should be dropped, particularly with a view mean that a farmer who owns agricultural to giving relief to small farmers who may land worth Rs. 2.5 lalchs and does not have have to instal these pumps to secure the any non-agricultural investment or. property, water needed to raise agricultural output. will be outside the scope of the levy. In The estimated revenue rf Rs. 2 crores from the case of a Hindu undivided family in the excise duty on this article will not similar circumstances, no wealth tax will accrue. be payable unless the net wealth exceeds Rs. 2.5 lills. At present, a person We are· of the view, however, that the who owns a residential house in an levy on fertilisers should remain at the rate urban area with a population exceeding of 10 per cent envisaged in· the budget 10,000 persons is excempt from wealth tax proposals. There is no ground for thd on the value of such house upto a maxi- apprehension that it would inhibit the use mum of Rs. one lakh. In the case of such of fertilisers, in view of the rapid increase persons, my proposal is that the exemption in consumption in recent years and the for agricultural land will be reduced to the remunerative prices of agricultural produce. extent that exemption is given for the urban residential house. In other words, There has been some criticism of the an individual dwelling in a city and having levy on prepared and preserved foods, a residential house worth Rs. one lakh or particularly from the cottage and small more will be eligible for exemption in respect scale sectors of the industry manufacturing of his agricultural land only to the extent pickles, chutneys and certain other fruit of Rs. 50,000. However, where the value and vegetable products. of his urban residential house is less than Rs. one lakh, say, Rs. 60,000, he will be It has already been decided to give some eligible for exemption in respect of his relief by excluding all nuts, most of the agricultural land to the extent of Rs. I vegetable products and a number of fruit lalchs less the value of the urban residen- products from the purview of the levy and tial house, i.e. Rs. 90,000 in this example. also exempting all dutiable fruit products cleared by any manufacturer up to a value of Rs. 50,000 annually. This would The Bill proposes to step up the scale wholly exempt the cottage sector and also of penalties leviable for defaults in furnish- give adequate relief to the small and to an ing returns of wealth and production of extent even to the large sectors of the accounts and documents specifically called for industry. It is also propo.ed to give some by a notice, by relating these to the quantum further relief r" products like 'murabbas' oftheasSessedwealthinstead of to the wealth taking into account the ~ that sugar tax payable as at present. It has been bought in the free market is used in their represented that the revised scale of penalties production. These concessions would may cause hardship in cases where the mean a revenue loss of Rs. 90lakhs. assessed wealth exceeds the initial exemp- tion of Rs. one lakh in the case of indi- Representations have ~n received from viduals and Rs. 2 lakhs in the case of joint the cotton mill industry as well as the decen- Hindu families by a small margin. I, tralised sector of the cotton textile industry therefore, propose to provide that the base that the ad valorem duty imposed on certain for calculating the penalty for such a de- varieties of cotton fabrics will increase fault will be the assessed \ICaIth as reduced the burden on some of the cheajio:r varieties by the amount of initial exemption. of fabrics which are consumed mostly 217 PillllMe Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Finance Bill, 1969 218 by the poorer sections. It is· accordingly lative incidence of the basic and special proposed to reduce the duty on cotton excise duty is 23.76 per cent as against fabrics falling under the new sub-item the budget proposal of 25.2 per cent. 1(1) of item 19 of the Central Excise Tariff This would result in a reduction in the from 15 po< cent to 7-1/2 per cent in respect duty of Rs. 1.86 per tonne at the current of all varieties except cotton blankets whose level of prices. value does not exceed Rs. 2.50 per sq. metre and in the case of cotton blankets if the The overall effect of the various changes value does not exceed Rs. 4 per sq. metre. that I have proposed with regard to excise duties will be a reduction in revenue of Rs. Further, after carefully considering the 5.09 crores. large number of representations that I have received from the mills of South India, In the field of postal tariff, I propose I propose also to .oouce the excise duty to reduce the postage rate for a single on Cotton yarn in count groups 22-29 NF copy of a registered newspaper weighing 14-22 NF and less than 14 NF by eight up to 60 grams from five paise to the rate paise, five paise and three paise per kilogram of two paise in force before 15th May, respectively. The powerloom sector of 1968. I am proposing this change, which the cotton textile industry has also been is estimated to result in a loss of Rs. 32.81 representing"that the levy of ad valorem lakhs in a full year, in deference to the duty on certain varieties of cotton textiles wishes expressed by several hon. Members. is unduly burdensome. Considering some In order to help balance the budget of P.&T., disadvantages that the powerloom sector I ~ o os to raise the fee for registration suffers vis-a-vis the cotton mill industry of postal articles from the present rate of especially in the matter of having to pay 70 paise to 75 paise; even so, the charge excise duty on yarn consumed in the making would be less than the cost of more thau of powerloom fabrics, it is proposed to reduce Re. I per article. Both these changes will the duty in respect of all varieties falling be introduced by a notification and no under sub-item 1(1) of item 19 of the Central amendment of the Indian Post Office Act Excise Tariff when manufactured in the or of the Finance Bill is involved. powerloom sector to two-thirds of the rate applicable to similar fabrics manu- factured by the mill sector. A revenue Sir, I move. of nearly Rs. 1.90 crores in a year will have to be foregone on account of these additional MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Motion concessions given to the cotton textile moved : industry. "that the Bill to give effect to the financial The small manufacturers of rayon filament proposals of the Central Government for yarn have represented against the reduction the financial year 1969-70, b. taken into in their margin of preference in the levy consideration. " of excise duty over large producers. Con- sidering that most of the small units are We have 15 hours :' 10 hours for general financially weak and have to face adverse discussion, four hours for the next stage competition from the large ~o u s it is and one hour for the final stage. proposed to enlarge the concession in such a way that the margin of reduction in the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : One how duty preference over the large producers should be given extra. is only 2S per cent of the pre-budget level, as against the 50 per cent reduction origi- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We do not nally proposed. This concession would consider the extra tim. at this stage. I account for a revenue drop of Rs. 29 lakhs. take it that you agree that it should be 10, four and one respectively. General dis- In the case of cement, the rate proposed cussion, 10 hours and c1ause-by-clause in the Finance Bill is somewhat higher consideration, fourlJ hours. than was originally intended and, therefore, a reduction is being given so thai the cumu- 219 Arrest and Conviction 0/ Members APRIL 29, 1969 Finance Bill, 1969 220 IS.80hn. is it possible. to release them on bond or RE. ARREST OF MEMBERS-(Contd.) something so that they could come and vote? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : VlDY A CHARAN SHUKLA) : Sir, at Violation of section 144 Cr. P.C. is a crimi- your direction, I have collected whatever nal offence and no privilege is involved. information was available at short notice. They,are produced before the magistrate I have been informed that three Members and it III left to the Magistrate to decide it. of Parliament have been arrested While We have to abide by whatever decision the leading a demonstration of the Youth magistrate gives. Federation of Kerala. They tried to enter the area where section 144 of the Criminal . SHRI S. M. ~ (Kanpur) : Procedure Code is in force. When the Sir, I want to raise a point under rule 229. magistrate on duty told them to disperse or not to enter the area where section 144 is in force, they did not agree to disperse; SHRI S. KUNDU (Balasore) : The they tried to enter the area. While trying Minister said that there was some scuffle to enter that area these three Members of and a watch fell down. But Ijow did the Parliament have been arrested. scuffle start? Our information is that some of them were injured. It seems that they I am also told that there was some scuffle were prepared to court arrest but the police while this attempt was being made to enter' pushed them and some of the M.Ps. feU the area and in that scuffle a watch belong- down and got injuries. ing to one of the MPs fell down to the ground. Subsequently, it was recovered SHRI E. K. NAYANAR (palghat) : and returned to him. They are being The Minister gave information about two produced before the Magistrate in the M.Ps. What about the third one ? Parliament Street court and they will be proceeded against under the law. The MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have given intimation under the rules has been sent full latitude to raise the issue and the by the authorities to the Speaker. Minister has given a statem.nt on what happened, what the actual facts are. Re- AN HON. MEMBER : What are their garding rule 229, that information has names ? already come or would be coming in course of time. That point does not arise now .... SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA (interruptions). No I do not want to have any further discussion on thi •. One is Shri P. Gopalan and another is Shri Jyotirmoy Basu. I am not sure about the name of the third M.P. This is the IS.04hn. information which I have got. I have confinned that the magistrate has sent FINANCE BILL 1969-Contd. the official information to the Speaker. It might have already reached the Speaker's SHRI C. C. DESAI (Sabarkantha) office or it would be reaching them now. Mr. u ~ Sir I have listened carefully to the speeches of"the Finance MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : One more Minister on the Budget and the FiDance point was raised. It is true that they have Bill. He seemed tp be purring like a cat no immunity if they have broken the law. which has got a rotten fish and has safely But they are supposed to vote today for gone home to enjoy it. He seems to be election to financial committees. over-joyed at the performance of the govern- ment which he represents, little realising that SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH (PaIi) : They the same Government and the same party have voted already. which has the honour of forming the govern- ment, is concentrating vide attack! on him MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am not and ~ his policies, as we have wit- prepared to take your word for that. Now, nessed not ooly during the last few days 221 Finance, Bill, 1969 VAlSAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) Finance Bill, 1969 222 but also during the last feW months. And Gandhiji would tum in his grave if he yet he seems to think that he has brought were to find that his disciples or his "hew the Indian economy to a state of health ! or the gentlemen who wear the cap I1lUlI:d after him only within 20 years of his passilljJ The Finance Minister thinks that he is away are proposing measures which amount on the point of take-off or leap-forward to confiscation, to dishonouring of pledllCS in the Indian economy. But being'a vege- given, such as I mentioned a minute ago, tarian he does not know, or at least pretends namely, the abolition of privy purses. not to know, that the fish is as rotten as the Indian economy and that the ftesb round SHRI S. KANDAPPAN (Meltur) the bones is as little as round the half- They are not abolishing it. starved and half-naked Indian citizen who has been' the helpless victim of 20 years of SHRI C. C. DESAI : I hope, not. I Congress misrule and Congress corrup- do not thihk this House will allow them to tion. abolish privy purses as they want to do it or as they say in order to please certain elements in their own party of whom we 15.06 lin. are all aware. [SHRI V/",lIDEVAN NAIR in .the Chair.) They talk of nationalisation of banking, of insurance, of transport, of distribution- The Finance Bill is nothing but the fiscal of everything; in fact, the nationalisation policy of Government in legislative clothing. of the entire life of the country. This The fiscal policy of the Government has • was not the sort of socialism that Gandhiji to be judged in its relation to the impaCt had thought of or what you find in the of the fiscal policy ·on the Indian economy. books written on socialism by Gandhiji We have a\l accepted that the goal of the at that time which is the socialism that we Indian economy is socialism and I say want, that is, free distribution, free economy on behalf of the Swatantra Party and development and growth of the Indian that we are second to none in the acceptanCe economy in onIcr that all people, rich of that goal. But there is a vast difference and poor, may partake in its beneficial in the socialism that is preached or practised results. by the Congress Party and the Socialism in which we believe and which we consider You will find that the present Government is the true Gandhian style socialism. has failed the people, the country and our national life. In this sentence I will almost What the Congress Party believes in i. repeat the words· which were mentioned socialism which is borderiug on Cummu- the other day by one of the Finance Minister's nism. They believe in confoscation, in own p:rsonal an:! staunch critics. I shall exploitation, in the denial of the pledged show presently how the Indian economy word or in the dish:>nouring of the has failed miserably during the last 20 pledged word as in th: case of ab.Jlition )ears. The Finance Minister apparentlt of privy purses and in the confiscation of wishes to pat himself on the hack by starlin, property without payment of adequate off with a statement : and just or fair compensatjfn. "The year that is now drawing II> a close has been a good year for the On the other• hand, we, who believe in Indian economy." Gandhian socialism, want that the rich rhould become less rich; the poor should It is obvious that he has neither read IlIJ1' become less poor; the pp between the rich fully understood the import of the economic and the poor should be bridled as carly as survey which was published and which possible; that there should be free economy, was made available to the members of the free agriculture and more production, better House. According to the statements in distribution, better transport and better this Survey, the per capita income of India facilities '4hich are all symbols of. an is even today ino 1969 about ten per cent improved and sound economy of a welfare leis tban wbat it was four years ago. state. Altbou8h the total amount of foodgraiJis Finance Bill. 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 Finance Bill. 1969 [ Shri C. C. Desai ] why even now, in spite of the pressure is six millions more than what it was in from the back-benchers of the Congress 1964-65, the rise in population has more Party, Government does. not seem to be than offset this marginal increase. The keen on hringing forward that legislation of production of rice has not yet reached the han on donations by companies to political 1964-65 level. The production of pulses parties. is less. The Finance Minister may derive what satisfaction he can from the fact He will have no difficulty in finding that, that the production of cOarse cereals has 20 ye3I8 of his plans, far from bringing the gone up by more than three million tonnes. millenium he was fondly hoping for, have The production of commercial croPs has brought nothing but· greater poverty not yet reached the 1964-65 level and the and misery and greater social injustice than per capita availability of foodgrains is still ever before. less than what it was in 1964-65. In what And what has been the ~ n s way is this a good year about which the performance of the Government during Finance Minister spoke in his budget these years? In 1966-67, in which, accord- speech? All that one can say is that the ing to the figures available, the recession year was not as bad as 1965-66 or 1966-67. was at its worst, the Government of India But we are yet far away from what we performed the remarkable feat of comrolling were even four years ago. their developmental expenditure but The Finance Minister seems to find a raised their non-developmental expendi- great satisfaction in the fact that the general ture by as much as 18 per cent. If this price level is somewhat lower than what is not extravagance, I would like to know it was last year. But he forgets that only what extravagance is. during the last three or four months the price level has gone up by five per cent. The internal public debt of Government But taking the period as a whole you will went up three times between 1961 and 1968. find that during the three months of 1968, But it is in the field of external debt that prices did not continue to rise at the same the figures are really staggering. From break-neck speed at which they had been an amount of nearly 1,000 crores of assets rising during the previous five years. The which we inherited in 1947 from the out- public cannot forget and has to realise going British, today we have a debt of 6,000 every day of its life that according to Govern- crores. In other words, during this span ment of India's own figures prices have gone of 22 years, we have spent about Rs. 7,000 up by more than 60 per cent in the last crores and all this has been done in the five years and that during the great Plans of name of planning, welfare society, etc. 20 years and of Control Licence and Permit the results of which are well known to Raj, the prices have gone up more than everyone. What percentage of increase two and a half times. this means, I will leave it to the Finance Minister and his officers to calculate. The Now I come to the question of disparity servicing of foreign debts will alone require between the rich and the poor. The osten- an annual outlay of about Rs. 400 crores tatious way of living is still there. Every- which is a substantial percentage of our body says, and I do not think that it has export earnings. It will take away much been questioned, that the gap between the of our export earniMS which will be required rich and the poor is widening everyday. to pay for servicing our essential import Monopolies are also growing. It may requirements. . bring in a legislation to restrict monopolies. but the real trouble is that the Congress The Deputy Prime Minister is going people themselves are sympathetic, are from capital to capital begging foreign favourably inclined towards hig industrial Governments for rescheduling of debts houses for reasons which I need not mention, and we know what effect this begging bowl for reasons which are obvious. And this has created in various countries of the was made evident during the last six months world. They consider India is bankrupt when they had to collect large sums of and India is not worth giving any further money for election purposes, !'or the mid- loans. They doubt the credit of, India term elections in West Bengal, U.P., Bihar which at times even repudiates honourable and Punjab. And that is the main ~ obligations. 22S Financt ilill, 1969 VAlSAKHA 9, 1891 (SA/U) FifllJllce BiB, 1969 .226 A seasoned politician thal my friend is, go on approving fancy salaries and per- the Finance Minister has not referred to quisites when each case of plid dire=tors the wonderful achievements of the public comes, as it has to, bofore the Company sector. I do not have to go into it becaIIS& Law Board. I know from personal ex- be must have heard of the achievements perience that the Board practically sanctions of the public sector from his own Party anything proposed by the companies. president only the other day. It is admitted The higbest salary sanctioned in the case that in relation to the capital employed, of a private sector company is Ro. 2,80,000 gross profit declined from 4.3 per cent per year. I hope he will apply to the to 3.6 per cent. The over-burdened tax- private sector-and I am saying this in paYers of this country who have contribu- spite of the fact that I helong to the private ted to these foolish adventures of Govern- sector myself-the same principles as regards ment, will no doubt hope and pray that remuneration which Government apply such measures _ Government may take and enforce in the public sector. and not merely talk about as usual, will lead to some improvement in their working. The Finance Minister has stated that I happened to be working on the Committee there will be an additional expenditure of on Public Undertakings for the last two Ro. 49 crores. on account of increases in years and I have been a sorrowful spectator salaries and dearness allowances. This of wastefut extravagances due to bad increase has become inevitable because planning from beginning to the end and of the alarming increase in the price level_ mismanagement of personnel.-I have no The usual explanation is : unkindness of quarrel with public sector as such. I my- the weather -gods. Weather is a changing self ·happened to be the first Chairman phenomenon; it is never continuously ever of a public sector company in this favourable or unfavourable. To lay the country. Therefore, I have no quarrel blame on the weather-gods is to throw dust with the public sector. Where private in the eyes of the listeners, but that is not capital is not forthcoming, the country the excuse that people would accept. cannot wait for development. Public sector is, therefore, essential in such cases. In this budget, the Finance Minister has But we must always ensure that the public coolly and withoui much explallation in- sector is managed in a manner which will creased non-plan civil expenditure by more give an adequate return. These explana- than Rs. 142 crores. This is a very large tions such as long gestation period, rendering and stiff dose of deficit financing which a social services, etc. are all meaningless. well-known economist has described as The first and foremost duty of aoy public 'Nasik PresS financing'. sector project is to give a minimum dividend of 10 per cent. Otherwise, if it was a private sector project, it will have gone Who is responsible for the phenomenal bankrupt in no time. Public sector must growth of personnel, manpower, in the be managed in the same way in regard to Central Government ? From some 18 cost, profitability, etc. as the private sector' lakhs in 1956, it has risen to 27 lakhs in projects. But they were established without 1968. All the multi-storeyed buildings proper examination either of capital cost or we see around to house this manpower, of capacity of production W of the cost which seem to be coming up by the dozen, of production. Forms of management are even then hardly sufficient to house and personnel ·continue to change with them. the changing whims of every Minister and this was particularly noticeable in the case There is, of course, increase in defence of the Steel Minister whose election later expenditure and that is inevitable. This on happened to be set aside. The desire has been brought about, I would say with to restrict salaries in public sector under- a sense of responsibility, by lack of diplo- takings is obviously at variance with the macy or incompetent diplomacy on the attitude of Government in regard to the part of successive Governments and Foreign private sector. In the public sector, they Ministers. If othir countries do not have fix the ~ salaries at Rs. 3,000 or Rs. to face the same problem, why should it 4,000 but in the private sector they coolly be necessary for us to face it? But o ~us '1:1.7 FillQlla! Bill, 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 FilUlJlCe Bill, 1969 '1:1.8 [Shri C. C. Desai J deliberated ana made those recommenda- tions ? But that is exactly tbe procedure; of the inaptitude of the Foreign Ministers for this I find fault not with anybody in the and the wrongness of the foreign policy Finance Ministry but with the Finance of Government, we have to bear a heavy Minister himself. dose of defence expenditure. I think the kindness of the weather-gods will not I must give ooe instance of extravagance be able to save us from continuing inflation to show that no attention is paid toeeonomy unless Government contain their reckless ~ because it is typical. There is an spending and take steps to prevent wastage officer of the Indian Civil Service, the senior- of money on account of incompetence or most officer of the Indian Foreign Service inefficiency in management. wbo is .drawing a salary of Rs. 4,000 per month. For the last eight months he has If it is inevitable from the defence and not been given any work! If he has done any- security needs of our country or the thing wrong, have an impartial enquiry and development of our national life, for or proceed against him and remove him from creating opportunities for better and more service. I find fault with the Government gainful employment for our landless labour that 'while no action is taken against him, and for the educated unemployed, the people ncr can be taken against him, he is simply of this country will, no doubt, be fully pre- kept in service and given a siiIary of Rs. pared to bear the burden gladly and cheer- 4,000 per month but without work. This fully, but Government have not proved Government, a prisoner of indecisionJ that they have practised the utmost econollll' has not been able to find a suitable assign in expenditure. . ment for that officer. I wrote over this matter to the Finance Minister and I am On the one hand, under the guardianship sure he knows that the fac!s stated by me of the high priest of ext, avaganza, the are absolutely correct. He raised the Finance Ministry gees on sanctioning bogey of economy, little realising that the expenditure, but their conscience is roused men who have suggested additional taxation suddenly and they think of economy when and whose hands are, further stained witb a demand comes from MPs for a revision the bloo India needs more prosperity in agriculture Sir, I have done. I do not propose to and not less. This is,not the time to levy take more time of the House because I any taxes on agriculture. It may be in know that ~ n s criticisms or sugges-- course of time that you might find it necessary tions that will be made will fall on deaf and possible to think of taxation in some ears of my friend. Over the years, a form or oth"l in the field of agriculture, large nwnber of tommittees, Working but certainly not now, so long as this country Groups, etc., have been appointed to advise is importing foodgrains fonhe maintenance on the form of administration. Their of its people. reports got buried and a few of them are 231 Re. Arrest of Members APRIl, 29, 1969 Finance Bill, 1969 232 [ Shri C. C. Desai 1 the message was received at 1·30 p. m. cccasionally dug out to defend some inde- May I know why during all the discussions fensible action of the Government totally which went on her" the Deputy·Speaker, irrelevant to the issue examined. who was in the Chair, was not fnformed about the receipt of the message ? When Lastly, with their hearts intent 'only on we asked him he sa id that no message keeping themselves in office at any cost, has been received, when in fact it has beyn received one hour earlier. with their eyes on the potential for money , in the guise of party funds, whether it is a case of jute, sugar, cotton, cement or MR. CHAIRMAN: The Deputy·Speaker any other commodity, with their mind im- did not make a categorical statement that prisoned in the control, licence, permit it was not received. ... system and with their attention directed to the serious and growing dissensions in SHRI INDRAJIT dUPTA : It was the their own party, they are totally incompetent job of the Secretariat to inform him about to do their jobs. There is no hope for the receipt of that message. this country unless the men at the steering MR. CHAIRMAN : It was received in wheel are replaced by those more competent the Speaker' s office and the Deputy·Speaker to do the job. To this end, shall be our was sitting in the Chair. He'did not say endeavour and the endeavour of all deme>- that it was not received. He only said cratic forces on this side of the House, to hat he did not know at that time that strive ceaselessly. With these words, 'we it was received. The fact is that it was oppose the Finance Bill lock, stock add received in the office at 1·30 p.m. barrel. 15.36 bro. 15.38 bro. RE. ARREST OF MEMBER-Con/d. FINANCE BILL, 1969-Con/d. MR. CHAIRMAN : Before I call Shri SHRI ASOKA MEHTA (Bhandara): Asoka Mehta, I would like to read out the Mr. Chairman, Sir, I have listened to what mesSage from the Sub-Divisional Magis- Shri C. C. Desai had to say, very carefully. trate, Parliament Street, New Delhi regarding I thought he made nine main points in the the arrest of some Members. This message course of his observations. About two of was received at 1.30 p.m. It reads them I have notbing to say-his criticism of "Dear Mr. Speaker, the Income-tax Department and his plea for higher salaries for Members of Parliament. I have the honour to inform you that About two other points which he made, I have found it my duty in the exercise his criticism of the functioning of the public of my powers under section 65 of the sector and the need for greater efficiency Criminal Procedure Code to direct in them, as well as his criticism about that Sarvashri Jyotirmoy Basu, C. K. increase in non·developmental adminis- Chakrapani and P. Gopalan, Members trative expenditure, I have no desire to of the Lok Sabha, be arrested for rebut what he said, though I would not their defiance of the prohibitory agree with thf way he phrased his criticism. orders promulgated under section About the five other points that he has 144 Cr. P.C. in the area of Parlia- made, I would very brieflY like to say that ment Street including Raisina Road', either he made them purely for party political Rafi Marg etc. Sarvashri Jyotirrnoy reason or, in spite of some changed pers- Basu, C. K. Chakrapani and P. Gopalan, pective in which he tried. to put forward M.Ps. were accordingly arrested under the point of view of the Swatantra Party, section 188 I.P.C. at 12.IOp.m. on 29-4-69 he has hot bothered to understand the and are being produced before Shri A. C. facts. Kher, Judicial Magistrate, for remand." In 1968 if agricultural production war SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : not the same as it was in ~ in rice, or This matter was raised in this House after this or that, one must realise that on the the recess at 2-15 p.m. It is said that whole there has been a marked change in 233 Finance Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9, 1891 (SAKA) F7nance Bill, 1969 234 our agriculture. In 1968 we are reaping developing various other facilities even those the first fruits of the new strategy. While who are increasing agricultural production in 1964 it was a windfall, a windfall that will be able to reap the benefit of it ? exceptional climatic conditions gave to us, in 1968 from depending upon windfalls Likewise, if the impulse for increased we are moving forward towards garnering agricultural production has to spread, the gains based on modern methods and surely those who are benefiting today modem technology, I think there is a distinct have a responsibility to share a part of the change. This has happened in wheat load that is needed to carry this agricultural and this has happened in maize. That it revolution throughout the rest of rural has not occurred in rice is a matter that India. needs our attention. I have no doubt that in the next year or so even in rice, Therefore, I find that the points that be with tbe research.!! that have been made, has made are not such on which I should . we shall be able to show results. spend more . time. I would, therefore, like to devote my time to some things which Likewise, he is very critical about the I had wantOd to say earlier. increase in our debts, the increase in our rupee debts and in our external debts. I had hoped that we would have in the May I o ~ out that he must also see as course of our Budget discussions an opportu· to what has been the increase in our assets nity to discuss our oil, fertiliser and chemical and tbat without these assets would the policies. Unfortunately, that particular cbaracter of our economy have be encbang· Ministry's Demands never came up for ed? If we want to mobilise resources for tbe discussion. I am really disturbed at the purpose of development and if all that way our oil, fertiliser and chemical policies mobilisation cannot be done-and should and our industrial policies are being carried not be done-through increased taxes, on. If our economy develops and picks is it not necessary to raise loans so that up and there are signs that it is picking resources are diverted from current consum· up and it should be our effort to unleash ption to savings and investments ? Are the dynamism to the fullest extent-there these elementary things to be taught to Sbri is not the slightest doubt that we will have C. C. De sai and bis friends ? serious balance of payments difficulties because of the way we are pursuing our Then he talked about increased defence oil and fertiliser policies. expenditure. We all regret tbe increased defence expenditure, mostly brought about As far as oil is concerned, I think, the by the assault tbat China committed on Oil and Natural Gas Commission has ill our frontier. He suggests tbat it was the the last two or three years shown a great result of a very poor foreign policy that our deal of improvement and efficiency in its Government has pursued. I would like functioning. I think, the Oil and Natural to know whether the United States Govern- Gas Commission is in a position in the ment and the Government of tbe Soviet next couple of years to produce. 1 milliOll Union have also been following very poor tonnes of additional crude every year and foreign policies, because they also seem thereby save about Rs. 10 crores every to be ruling under the assal4lts of Chinese year of foreign exchange. But in order expansionism. _ that it is enabled to do it, it must be given the necessary tools and the necessary Then he has talked about the agricultural facilities. Certain finances are needed; levies. Well, he himself pointed out 'the rupee finance is needed, some free foreign various difficulties that are coming up in exchange is needed and some equipment the wake of agricultural developments. is needed which the ONGC cannot obtain If agricultural production has to be expanded from the Soviet Union or from other East and tbe benefits of agricultural production European countries. are to be realised even for tbe producers themselves, a great amount of develop- I find that there is a great deal of reluctance ment of tile infra-structure itself becomes in conceding to· these requirements of necessary. Is it possible that without the ONGC, with the result that the ONGC roads, without communications, without will not be able even to realise the produc- 235 Finance Bill, 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 [ Shri Ashok Mehta 1 knowledge, tne Burmah Shell bas an in- vestment of Rs. 100 crores and the Euo tion that it is poised to achieve. If any bas an investment of Rs. 75 crores to RI. further rapid exploration and development 85 crores. Is it being suggested that t.beiie of oil has to be made by the ONGC, then companies have a grip on the Government it needs to be given the tools for it; it needs of India or the Government of India's to be given the equipment that it needs. Policies are being influenced or being That also is being denied to it. shaped or being determined by them orIpdia's political life, in any way, is being Secondly, as far as Oil India is concerned, hampered by the companies? If they are Oil India's record bas been very good. hampering it, why are we allowing them to We have 50 per cent Government share continue ? in it. The whole manajlement, to the best of my knowledge, has been completely Indianised. I would like to know why Again, in a big ou~ like India, for we should not permit Oil India to do the purposes of having the needed techno- exploration in some larger areas in the logy and having the resources needed to country. No organisation can survive if attempt the initial break-through so that it is not allowed to grow. A good organised later on in the coming five years, we may organisation like that of Oil India run by be able to develop off-shore "il with our very able and brilliant Indian technicians own resources; if we once cut down our Ilhould be given an opportunity to explore import bill for petroleum products, we will other areas in the country and develop the be saving enough foreign exchange or we production of oil. But the really plenti- will not be spending additional foreign ful resources that are available to the country exchange and that we can divert for the are probably off-shore. I would welcome purpose of developing costly submarine very much the efforts made by ourselves to oil exploration. devclop these resources if it was possible fa: us. Unfortunately, as yet, do not We must realise that in the world of have the neoessary technology; we do not energy today there is a growing shift from have the necessary skill. But the technology old and tradi tional sources to the new and skiD can be learnt by hiring the people sources of oil. The world over, more and IlOIlCCI1led. Still the real question is that more oil is being used for the purpose of the exploration, development and production producing energy. India must develop of off-shore oil, even in one limited field, oil resources very fast. Because of our would require a foreign exchange outlay difficulties of foreign exchange, somewhere fA Bl)ything between 80 to 100 million dollars. some kind of a decision has to be taken. I would like to know from the Deputy We are told that these decisions must Prime Minister whether he is in a position take time; we are told that they involve to provide 80 to 100 million dollars. If such far-reaching implications and complica- that cannot be provided, there is no hope tions that even 18 months is not long enough fA off-shore development programme being to come to a decision. May I ask the IIOdertaken by ourselves. Some way bas Deputy Prime Minister this? I have known to be found wheteby this off-shore develop- him very intimately for 35 years; I have ment is taken up. Otherwise we will have known him to pc a man of quick decisions. expanding imports of oil products and, I have ~ the character of Hamlet u our economy picks up, I do not know in literature; I fiod it very d'i.1icult to admire how the Finance Minister, now and in the character of Hamlet in administra- later years, himself as well as his successon, tionl will be able to fiod the foreign exchanse DCCded. It is argued that if we have aIly- thing to do with any foreign oil company, Let us look at fertilisers. One million we are likely to get into the clutches of oil toones of fertiliser capacity is already there imperialism. I do not understand this on the ground; one million toones of addi- argument. tional capacity is under implementation. we need at least 3 million toqpes more of First, in India, today- there are foreign nitrogenous fertiliser capacity before tbe oil compmics. To the best d my Fourth Plan is over. How do we propose 237 Finmrce Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9. 1891 (SAKAl FinIlIIce Bill, 1969 238 to achieve that ? I have h!d something as far as fertiliser industry is concerned, to do with the fertiliser industry. I know a time bound programme. All those who the enormous difficulties in getting foreign talk about agriculturists, all those who are exchaDge etc. for setting up plants. I anxious that India should b. free from do not blame the Deputy Prime Minister. famine, from hunger, from dependence Where can he produce foreign exchange. for food on foreign countries, know very What win happen ? Whether it is in the well that fertilisers should be produced in private sector or in the public sector, the adequate quantities. We want more irri- time taken is five years, six years, seven gation undoubtedly, but there is enough years, before a project can be completed. irrigated area in the country which can Again, I do not blame him. It is not be fully utilised provided fertilisers can b. within his power to find all the resources made available in adequate u~n s needed. If we do not produce fertiliser quicIdy in Ihis ~ either we must The same is the case with regard to deny fertiliser to agriculturists or we must pesticides. No decisions are taken. There be prepared to increase our import bill. is only hesitation, vacillation and indecision. Staggering as it is, it is something like Is that the way in which we are going 280 million dollars of fertiliser even today. to tackle a critical area of our life and The Deputy Prime Minister can correct activities ? me if I arfl wrong. How much are we going to spend ? Fertiliser is a critical As far as the chemical industry is concern- agent of our economic development. I ed, let us realise that the Soviet Union, want to know, are we flexible about ends under Mr. Khrushchev, discovered that and rigid about means or are we flexible l't had neglected the chemical industry. about means and inflexible about ends ? It was said that 50s and the early 60s were I believe, the agriculturists in India want the chemical age. But we, even now, fertiliser at any cost. If the Government when more advanced countries are moving can give them fertiliser by quicIdy develop.. towards space technology and computer ing the public sector undertakings and under- technology, have not been able to do very taIdng the whole responsibility themselves, much in chemical technology and in electro- the agriculturists will be happy. There nics. In chemical industry again, while will be no quarrel about it. I am happy that the Deputy Prime Minister and his colleagues have been able to sanc- lS.SO l1l1I. tion the public sector projects in the petro- [SHIU R. D. BHANDARE in the Chair] chemical complex that is being set up in Gujarat, the rest of it remains hazy and If they can do it through co-operatives, blurred. And I can assure you that, when through Mr. Gurupadaswamy's agency, they the public sector projects come up perhaps will be happier still. But, surely, they Mr. C. C. Desai will bear testimony to what want to know whether fertiliser will be I say-there are going to be no customers available or not. This Government is for them. A project which would have responsible to see that in 1972 when the given us a return of 30 per cent per year reins are handed over to the successcr is going to remain unprofitable for the very Government, the position a bout fertiliser simple reason that the downstream units i. such that there is no DFsion for any are not beiug permitted to come up. All questioner cavil. I demand from the kinds of hesitation and vacillation are going Deputy ~ n s is responsible on. for the economic policy of the country- to tell us what is being done about fertilisers 7 Then, what is happening in regard to I went through the Ministry's Report very polyester plant 7 Even if you want to carefully, and excepting for the production follow what is being done· in the Soviet of two million tonnes of fertiliser, there Union, in the Soviet Union today a single are hardly any concrete, any specific, unit of polyester plant has a capacity of projects. I have heard of many a project 24,000 tonnes. The world over, the mini- for a long time. I know of many things mum size today is 18,000 toooes, if jou on the drawing board, but I want to know are to compete in the export market. we what concrete decisions have been taken, must have units of equal size. We, on the what steps are being taken. We WlUIt, other hand, are trying to fragment them 239 Finance Bill. 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 Finance Bill, 1969 240 [ Shri Asoka Mehta I I will give you one instance. Take the steel industry. Our young friend. Raja into small units, scattered in different parts Pant, told us what is the investment in of the country. Four units are to be terms of fixed capital for producing one set up today. There are 17 or 18 States tonne of steel. I asked him to make some and each one is clamouring and the Govern- further inquiries for me' and we find today ment of India are not able to decide where that whatever investment is there, it is to set up these small "toy factories!" 2 to times the investment in Japan The result is this. In the advanced world 2! and oilier comparable countries in the world. today it is the comparatively poor people. Why is it so? I am not talking of cost of who use synthetic yarn fabrics and the production. I am talking of im'estment rich wear cotton and silk fal1rics, but in needed to produce one tonne of steel. India. thanks to our strange economy, Japan produced in 1956 million it is the poorer people who have to use 6! tonnes of steel which .He are producing cotton and the rich are supposed to use today or are going to produce. In 12 synthetic yarn. That is because of our years their produclion jumped to 65 million deliberately ignoring the implications of tonnes.. The same thing is going to happen chemical technology. Here the process In IndIa. Our steel production is bound technology changes very rapidly. In chemi- to go up whether Shri C. C. Desai likes cal industry the "generation" is eight 01' it or not. I am surprised at [ Shri Asoka Mehta ] savings and' investment. The indirect But every possible occasion, we have taxes, which were increased to a large doubts and hesitations. In our pursuit extent, adversely affected production and of perfectionism, we even give up what we exports and increaged the cost structure in have got, what can be achieved imperfectly. the economy to such an extent that exports May I say : For God's sake, release this became difficult; the country was faced country, let it move forward, do not pursue with a balance of payment, crisis and deva- perfectionism to avidity. Socialism comes u ~ was forced on this country. Mr. when things move forward. When they Mellfa- himself was responsible for that and grow, when they develop out of chapping it was in tum responsible for his eclipse and changing, the socialist ideal is realised. also. At the end of the Third Plan what The socialist ideal is not like Minerva is the position ? The economy is in bad risiJ.g fully armed from the brow of Zeus. shape. There is wide spread frustration Socialism is the end product of a whole on account of privation ijue to high prices, process of growth and change. Let that back breaking taxes and none·too propitious process be accelerated. investment climates. It was a novel thesis of Mr. Asoka Mehta that in a developing May I, therefore, ask of the Deputy economy we have to learn to live with Prime Minister this ? I have known him; rising prices. That is the basic features I have respected him. But I am surprised which has been responsible for ihe inflatio- that he has adjusted himself to the kind of nary tendencies in this country. The real style that has developed in the Government. value of the rupee has declined Are we to expect that this is the style tha. to about 12 paise of the pre-war he adopts and approves 1 If he does nol, rupee and if the Fourth Plan is put one is entitled to know from him what he is into effect, it would probably result in going to do to see that the style is changed. another bout of deficit financing and addi- tiobal taxation which would lead to the SHRI S. S. KOTHARI (Mandsaur) : value of the rupee going down further, Mr. Asoka Mehta, having been critical perhaps to about eight paise. The Planning of Mr. C. C. Desai, and the Deputy Prime Commission has received a legacy from Minister, has opened the gates for his own him which it is finding it difficult to shake criticism and I hope he will not mind it. I off. In its formulation of the Fourth am glad that wisdom has at last dawned on Plan, the Planning Commission appears Mr. Asoka Mehta and he has realised that to be determined to practise 'growthman- there is a limit to taxation and increased ship' without regard to the availability reliance should be placed on borrowing of resources. They have coneei ved of a (interruption:) when he was Minister he was need based plan, which may be good responsible for the 10 % surcharge on perso- politics but is bad economics. We need nal income tax and corporation tax. Three a sou ~ piln. In the cuntext years ago, when Mr. Sachin Chaudhury of resource" the Fourth Plan placed before was the Finance Minister, like Sikhandi Parliament appears not only to be over from behind the scenes, he directed him and ambitious but also an exercise in planned the surcharge was imposed. I asked fiscal recklessness. The validity of the bim the oIher day in the Central Hall as to assumptions underlying the estimation of why this sureharge, which had resulted in resources at ~ 10,839 crores is also ques- diminishing returns, had been imposed. tionable. The projections appear to be o~ He said that if he had it in his power, he the triumpb of hope experience. would impose it again and again. Thank Lilcc Mr. Micowber the planners seem to live in the hope that something would God, he realises bis mistake now. evc;otually tum up•. That W!lS done durins the period of the Third Plan produced by What happened to the Third Plan? It Mr. Asoka Mehta and his colleagues, tbat failed despite heavy taxation. They is still being repeated again in tbe case of the ~ able to obtain Rs. 2,982 crores as Fourth Plan. against Rs. 1,710 crores which was stated in the original scheme of I1nancing. Perhaps that was the only target that was so well When we come to the reso_ part of exceeded. It adversely affected production, it, tbe balance from current revcuues haw Fi1lllllU BtU. 1969 VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) FilU11lCe Bill, 1969 246 been taken atRs. 2455 crorcs. In the gramme of borrowing would be good, Third Plan there was actully a minllS balance but to tax agricultural income heavily in the of Rs. 419 crores. The three annual plan very first year of the Fourth Five Year logether have resources of about Rs. 362 Plan does not augur well for the future erores. Where are Rs. 2,500 erores to of these Plans. come from ? The fact emerges that there is an over-estimation of Rs. 1,500 erores Now, coming to the Planning Commis- with regard to resource on this one item sion, it has failed to take cognizance of the alone. With regard to surplus of public distinct features emerging from past ex- enterprises, there again they have assumed perience of overambitious planning and at least Rs. 300 erores of excess resources. as I said, the conditions are set for another I have no time to go into (Ietails now. bout of large wasteful outlays, deficit Rs. 1,500 erores plus Rs. 300 erorcs make financing and inflationary spiralling of Rs. 1,800 erores .• The additional resource prices. I would like to sound to the Finance mobilisation is estimated at R •. 2,700 erores Minister a very serious note of warning by the Planning Commission to cover the that if the fourth Five Year Plan is persued Shortfall admitted by it, and Rs. 850 erores in the manner in which it has been conceived is the target for deficit financing. So, the and presented to this House, I am definite total comes to about Rs. 5,350 erores. With a it is going to lead to innation and it would shortfall of a gap of more than Rs. 5,000 be difficult to control it. We are talking crores, the Finance Minister would have about price stability, but alrea<\y the whol ... year after year to face a big gap in resources sale price index has touched 212 to 213 this Sir. Plan is going to prove like tile old points. It is steadily creeping up. If this man on the back of Sinbad the Sailor ~s tbe position already, I wonder what is and the Finance Minister would become going to happen as the Plan progrCMeS and a prisoner of the Plan. He would have as more and more taxes are imposed and no alternative but to raise resources on a a large volume of deficit financing takes very big scale. place. As I have said time and again, excise When you come to resources, there arc duties, enter into the cost of commodities. only two things that remain: taxation and They lead to rigidity in the cost structure deficit financing. With regard to taxation, and higher cost of commodities, thus may I submit that every effort has been making it difficult for exports to be main- made this time to tax agricultural income. tained or to be increased. The Government have already run into difficulties. I do not know what would With regard to the allocation of outlays be the ultimate fate of the wealth·tax on in the fourth Five ~ Phn, I should like agriculture, but coming to the tax on ferti- to say a few words. It appears that in lisers and pumps, I am glad that the Finance allocating the plan target or outlay botweon Minister has withdrawn the duty on pumps the public sector and the private sector, the duty on fertilisers is still there. We ideological considerations have prevailed. have learnt in "chool days that the Indian In my opinion, it is necessary that in view a&r"iculturist is born in debt, lives in debt of the tremendous gap in resources, the and dies in debt. At lonllast, the agri- outlay in the public sector should be reduced culturist has experienced a glimmer of by about Rs. 2,500 crores and about Rs. hope, a ray of liwht, but the Finance Minister 1 900 crorcs should be added to tbe outlay has imposed on him a duty which would in the private sector. Why I haft taken reduce his prosperity to an extent and also Rs. 1,900 crores and a reduction of Rs. give a setback to tile agricultural revolution 2,500 crores is because the capital output in this country. That is something to ratio in the private sector is less .. capi- which the Finance Minister must direct taI-output ratio in the pubb!: sector. his atlention. No doubt, incomes have That is a fact, and it is because of more gravitated to agriculture, but they must efficient we of resources and better imple- be mobilised through small savings schemes, JMntation of the projects. Therefore,' as life insuI'l\Pce must be carried deep into I said, if we cut JU. 2,500 crcres from the the rural areas, and there must be mobilisa- public _or and increase the private tion by issue of rural debentures. A pro- ~o outlay by Rs. 1,900 cron:s, the target 247 F_ Bill, 1969 APRn. 29, 1969 Fifllll/ce Bal, 1969 248 [Shri S. S. Kothari] reach the Jevels which would match the considerable amount of outlays made of growth will be maintained and a balance and money pumped into the economy. would be imparted to the fourth Five In my opinion, the whole Plan is a blueprint Year Plan ... The Jan Sangh at their party for inflation and devaluation. meeting at Bombay recently passed a resolution that every person must be pro- vided with work. That was a very impor- I now come to very important point tant resolution because, despite the various and tl!Jt is a big lacuna exists in the Fourth plans that have been made by this govern- pIaD .. This Plan should' have provided ment unemployment has been on the for "indicators of alert". Their function increase. At the beginning of the Third is to detect in advance areas of potential Plan, unemployment was about 7 millon disequilibrium in the country and enable people. That figure has risen to short-term interventionuto operate more 12 miJIion at the end of the Third selectively and effectively. Even in France, Plan. If 'this is the rate at which unem- where indicative planning is adopted, they ployment is rising, I ask what is the use have provided for certain indicators of of planning. If this problem has to be alert in the Fifth Plan (1966-70). Here I solved, medium and s ~ industries would suggest certain indicators of alert. which have great employment potential, Firstly, an increase of 10 points in any should be encouraged. The Japanese model one year in the wholesale price index; of industries, which are power-driven, ,secondly, an increase in unemployment should be considered.' If it is applied here figures by half a miJIion in any year, thirdly, in this country, Ithink we could make some' fall in exports or rise in imports by Rs. progress. 25 crores in any half year; fourthly, a decline in the index of industrial production by No doubt, public sector industries and five points in any quarter over the previous big industries are also necessary. With quarter or the corresponding quarter in regard to big and giant industries, I would the previous yeIir; fifthly, a similar indicator submit that it is necessary that swadeshi of alert for agricultural production and, technology, or our own technology, finaJly, a decline in national iincome by 1.5 should be employed to· the maximum per cent in aily year. These indicators are extent. That is very important. No doubt, intended t9' warn the planners and the we need foreign sophisticated technology, government in time as to what but only in these industries were our own corrective action is needed. Therefore, domestic technology is not sufficiently I would submit that in the Fourth Plan developed. Attempt should be, made at these indicators of alert must be provided. seif-relianc::c. But here again we find that the reliance of this Plan on foreign aid is more than that of the Third Plan. Budget Now I come to the Finance Bill itself. receipts corresponding to external assistance The Deputy Prime Minister has been good are taken at Rs. 2,514 crores as against enough to announce certain concessions. Rs. 2,423 crores during the Third Plan But I would like to make some remarks period. While legitimate doubts arise as on this. With regard to advance payment, to the availability of this quantum of foreign he has realised that 15th December for assistance, the talk of self-reliance and the last instak.ent payable would create dispensing with foreign aid appears to be a difficilities for industries ... and assessees. hollow slogan, full of sound and fury but The legitimate right of the assessees should signifying nothing. be restored. Why complicate matters further by providing that the Central Board There are certain other assumptions shall issue directives with regard to the in the Plan which are also not correct. ciass of industries which would be allowed A return of 15 per cent on capital investment to pay the finaJ instalment in March. The in public sector undertakings and 11 per privilege should be universally available. cent on electricity COJK:eI1IS has been I would, therefore, request him to reconsider provided for, which apJlellfS to be patently this matter aad provide directly that the impossible according to present indications. fourth instaJment payablo before 15th March Besides, industriaJ production would not shall be there fOf all iIssessee$. 249' FilWJlCl! Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9. 1891 (SAKA) FiIWJlCl! Bill, 1969 With regard to wealth-tax: when he had suggest a very simple remedy. Just as in increased the penalties last year, I for one the case of priority industries, you deduct said that I would· not criticize them; my 8 per cent from the corporate taxes, so only plea was that he penalise the tax- also in the case of e3rned incomes, give a evader but integrate those penalties with tax-free deduction of 8 per cent. Let a reasonable tax structure so that moro tbat be a benefit to the man who works and more people may revert to payment for bis income. That would assist in of taxes honestly and are brought to the production, savings and investment. righteous path. But this year I am too critical of the new wealth·tax penalties I should also like to point out that the for non-filing of return. Just because process of simplification and rationalisation a person fails, to file a return, to of taxes that had been initiated according provide for .a maximum penalty of 100 to the Bhoothalingam Report, has now per cent of his _lth is, in my oplOlon, been almost abandoned. I sball give two not at all justified. After all, we are living instances. One is witb regard to corporate in a democracy and the penalties and the taxes. Tbe sur-tax on company profits measures must be reasonable, equitable and is a tax on efficiency. It embodied tbe justifiable. principle of progression in corporate taxes. J would submit that progression in taxes The unk'ndest cut in the Budget, is the witb regard to tbe corporate sector leads to imposition on the middle class. The middle inefliciency and poor utilisation of resources. class has hardly recovered from the burden It penalises efficiency. In my opinion, as imposed by inflation which had occurred Sbri Bhootbalingam had also reeommended and was of a severe type and taxes have • tbis tax should have been taken off. If been· increased on incomes between Rs. you see statistics, you will find that out of 10,000 and Rs. 20,000. On registered firms 150 countries in the world at least 144 also, the tax has been increased between countri,es have corporate tax rates which Rs. 10,000 and Rs. 25,000. In my opinion, are below 50 per cent. In our country they should have provided for some relief tbey go up to about 66.25 per cent. That with respect to the middle class and on direct has to be taken into account if production, personal earned incomes. I would describe savings and investment are to be stimulated the personal income taxes as surgery without and if tbe capital market is to improve. anaesthetics. Instead of being used as an instrument MR. CHAIRMAN : Are you the only of growtb and economic recovery, the speaker from your party ? Budget has become an annual exercise in mobilisation of augmented revenues SHRI S. S. KOTHARI : No, there are and in the process the tax load on the two. consumer goes on increasing year after year irrespective of the taxable capacity. In- MR. CHAIRMAN You have already dustries are indiscriminately selected for taken 15 minutes. additional levies till tbey reach a critical point and tben some relief is given. I SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: I will take would point to the cotton mill industry another five minutes. • and say that this is an instance in point where excise duties and taxes bave been Besides, ~ that Indirect taxes on increased to such an extent that many of sugar and petrol have been increased. These the textile mills are on the sick list and some taxes also result in imposing a heavy bur- of them have closed down. NoYj some den on the middle class. Besides, taxes on relief is given. But why carry taxes to cigarettes, electric fans, domestic electrical such a stage that it leads to the industry appliances all squeeze family budgets and being on the brink of disaster ? hurt the middle class and the intellectuals. I would strongly urge the Finance Minjster A sophisticated tax structure like ours not to whittle down the development rebate. cannot alford to have the same rate of tax It is a powerftJ.l, positive, incentive for for earned and unearned incomes. I would industrial capital formation. 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He struck an adamant posture and it took him more than lfl'li ~ ~ ~ i!t 3Tl'l \l't ~ ~ a month to realise that the excess duty ~ ~ ~ on power driven pumps was uncalled for. 1 ·am citing this as an example that through "1m ~ ~ ~ [ Shri A. Sreedharan 1 story which is 'ronlined to one department the tax and then distribute it to the States." alone. Take, for example, the story of Whatever is legitimately due to the States our public sector undertakings. We have must remain in the hands of the States. invested about Rs. 3,500 crores_ in the The State Governments are not here knock- public sector. If we could realise at least ing at the doors of the Central Govern- five per cent return from the public sector ment for doles as beggars. These two undertakings, the levy on fertilizers could· predominating factors are a very disturb- be witbdrawn. But, then, why bave these ing feature of this Finance Bill. pub!r<;. sector undertakings gone down tbe drain? It is because of wasteful expendi- ture. I support public sector undertakings What has happened in this country and I stand by them. But wbat has been during the last 20 years has resulted in a done during the last so many years to serious culmination of the economic policies, eradicate wasteful expen..oii!ure in public where the small entrepreneurs are hit. sector undertakings ? On a number of Every attempt is made to block their growth. occasions, on the floor of this House tbe Take, for example, the compound levy· acts of omission and commission in tbe on the powerlooms. In Mysore State, public sector undertakings are brought to I am told that this duty is going to hit the the notice of this government. small powerloom entrepreneurs, the small man who is already driven to the wall by Because tbere is no proper man-power the big industrialists. No doubt the mobilisation in tbis country, some of tbe Deputy Prime Minister has made some most brilliant doctors, engineers and techni- concessions but those concessions do not cians do not serve tbis country and tbey even touch the fringe of the problem. We are going abroad in searcb of service. are living in stirring times. When the About 800 doctors and engineers from tbis country is passing through a critical period, country have gone to other countriO!' we are spending enormous amounts on our because no attempt is being made to put defence. I am proud of it; I would un- our economy in proper shape. Tbis lack hesitatingly say that every pie spent on of man-power mobilisation, tbis lack of defence is usefully spent, but there are imaginative approacb to public sector under- certain considerations which we have to takings has brought our public sector bear in mind. We are called upon to pay undertakings to a stage of near collapse. so heavily for defence now. There were times when countries became independent, and no attempt was made to bring the back- I know that there are forces in this coantry ward countries of Africa and Asia together, which want to run down our public sector to create a front against the enemies who undertakings. We have come to such are threatening us across the frontier. a pass because of our projected ono~ Defence was neglected. There was no policy of half-heartedne... India is fadng defence preparedness on our frontiers, a contradiction today. Where does this and nobody ever thought in terms of government stand, I would like to ask. defending the frontiers of this country. There are no half-way methods in socialism. Due to that negligence, today we are called If you want to implement socialism, you upon to pay very heavily for defending have to go tbe whole bog for it. You the frontiers of this country. Similarly, cannot build a s~ s society if you are in External Affairs also no new innovation allowing the growth of mo,\"poly in this has been made. India: which began as country. . a powerful country in Asia, today we are being assailed in almost every country So, the final question that coofronts tbe because we never took a brave posture. Finance Minister is tbis. What is tbe In the matter of external affairs there have approach of this Government to tbese been complaints that our external affairs problems? Are you prepared to nationalise units in other countries, our Foreign Lega- the basic industries of tbis country? Are tions"are not functioning properly. you prepared to nationalise tbe extraction of mineral wealtb of this country? Are There is no mobilisation of man-power you prepared to nationalise the top 'banking to run tbese institutions. This is not a industry in this country? 281 Finonce Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Finonce Bill, 1969 282 know the big on ~ on that is tion. In modern countries other methods taking place in the Congress itself. A are being used, report was presented to the Faridabad session of the Congress and the Congress But here is a government which believes could n~ adopt that report. That report in 18th century economics, which believes was not prepared by anybody from the that taxation is the only means to fill tbe opposition; that report was submitted coffers of government. I would like to by somebody who was the colleague of ask why the Government has not thought the Finance Minister. Why was that of other innovations. Such innovations report not adopted? Because, the Congress have got to be taken into consideration is still not decided and definite on this because India is one of the most highly basic policy question. The laws of economics taxed countries in the world. If you are inexorable and the laws of ec0- go on taxing the poor peasants any more, nomics would I¥'t wait for anybody. So, the economic structure of this country while speaking on the Finance Bill, I will break. could like to point out to the Deputy Prime Minister this. Here is a challenge before you. So, new methods have got to be adopted. If you are really a patriotic person, if you The public undertakings have got to be think that this country should be taken put on a sound footing. Where we do forward, .if you think that this country not have enough wealth and capital, we should be given a new dimension, the only will have to find resources in manpower. way out is to present a socialist budget, We have tremendous wealth in manpower for which new innovations have got to be and a scheme for manpower utilisation found out in the methods of taxation. • should be initiated. I come from a State where our resources All these should be linked together so are very poor, thanks to the attitude adopt- that a new break-through can be brought ed by the Central Government. Many about and new methods can be evolved. of the industries which were to be located These methods have not been evolved in my State have been taken away. The. by this Government; so, I oppose the Precision Instruments Factory at Pudusseri Finance Bill. and the Phyto-Chemlca1s at Neriamao- galam have been shifted to other parts of IliI' q;o lito ~ (Fm) : ~ the country. Our resources are scare and our density of population on land is ~ .rn ~ i'tft ~ fcra ~ ~ very high. Still, the Finance Minister of ~ 'l\'t ~ orif ¥it;m;r ~ Kerala did not hesitate to arise resources ~ i'f1IT ~ for the State by resorting to novel mc;thods. *fr f [lIft'lio mo Wr] 3f1ft ~ ~ ~ am: ~ ~ ~ o ~ ~ fit;w.iT't>"t 3fT'l'rn 't>"t ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ '1ft ~ arnl Rif. 'Ii'tm ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~ m ~ ~ iff IiRf ~ ~~ m "IT'1T ~ m..r "Ii' ~ t-lin: .,.-@ ~ .,.-@ flrem ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Wfim fit; ~ 1ft ~ ~ ,.". ~ ~ I apR ~ 0l'I'ift <'fir 1ft ;rcr ~ ami ~ if'ifTiIT ~ ~ ciT ~ 'I>'T ~~ ~~ ~~ ~ I ~ arm ~ ~ ~ n ~ n ~ ~ I 3fJR ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ I ~ 3l'N ~ ~ 'I><: ifiTIf 'Iii: I ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~~ ~ I llfil;it iftf6lf1f amfi ~ ~ ~~~ '11if lIT im: if;T ifI+r ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ iP1 ~ ar:r-f m- ~ ~~ ~~ ~ tto 311<:0 mo ;f '1ft ~ ~ f.f; ~ fir;w.ff if; ~ ~ ~ ~ 'lj« if; ~ ~ ~ n ~~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ar:r-f 3f1IWU 'liT q-;mr ~ if; ~o ci'ro if;o 311<:0 ci'ro ~ ~ 1754 hni, ~ ~ I II '1ft If@ ~ ~ ARREST AND CONVICTION ~ ~ 11' atir:ir ~ ~ OF MEMBERS mifC ~ I ~ iP1 m ~ f.f; 90,95 MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We have troTc ~ atir:ir ~ ~ ~ I ~ received the following communication from 289 Fi_ Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Finonce' Bill, 1969 290 Shri A. C. KheI", 1st Clast Magistrate, concession being granted to them. It is New Delhi :- very unfortunate also that our country is one of the highest taxed countries of the "I have the honour to infonn you world. Where the poor people are taxed, that'Sarvashri Jyotirmoy Basu, C. K. and concessions after concessions are Chakrapani and P. Gopalan, Members granted to the rich. The Finance Minister of Lok Sabha, were tried at the has imposed an additional excise duty Parliament Street courts before of Rs. 127 crores on the poor. Our on a charge of defying the prohi- me national indebtedness has increased beyond bitory orders promulgated under sec- all proportions. After partition, at the tion 144 Cr. P. C, in the area of time of Independence we had a foreign Parliament Street including Raisina exchange to the tune of Rs. 1,700 crores. Road. Rafi Marg, etc. But we have wiped them off completely On 29th APlil, 1969, after a trial, and our debts have mOUDted up to Rs. I found them guilty of offence UDder 5,666 crores and odds at the present moment. section 188 I.P.C. and 'sentenced The position, therefore, is very disappointing. them to undergo simple Imprison- While people of a few families indulge ment for ten days each. At present in all fashionable dissipations, midnight they are lodged at Central Jail, Tihar." orgies, wild revels and mild sensations of the ball-room, millions of poor people live in hovels and amidst squalid miseries •.. 17.55 brs. • -n ~ ~ FINANCE BILL 1969-'-ConJd. ~~ ~ ~~ SHRI BADRUDDUJA (Murshida- bad): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The bell proposals in the Finance Bill presented by is being rung. the Hon. Deputy Prime Minister, do not 17.55 brs. raise hopes in the minds of millions of the poor. It is really very unfortunate that [ Ma. SPEAKER in lhe Chair ] during the 22 years of Congress steward- ship of the COUDtry, the poor have grown 18 brs. all the poorer and the rich, all the richer. Nearly 80 per cent of our wealth is concen- MR. SPEAKER: Now there i. quorum. trated in the hands of 75 families and as He may continue. a reSult of this there is not only no economic' improvement, but there is crisis after crisis SHRI BADRUDDUJA' If Japan and in the country. These few families West Germany, smashed to smithereens, have enjoyed, all the amenities, all the pulverised in the second world war, could comforts, all the advantages. Even now have an unprecedented economic recovery they get tax-free loans when millions of during the last 24 years, I do not see any poor people in the country-side are knocking reason why India, with all the resources, about the streets for a morsel of food. a\l the talent and materials, at her disposal, 34.6 per cent of the people IW'C now living with the goodwill of various nations of in abject povertto and misery. They can the world, East and West, with the huge spend only Rs. 1;/- per month in the rural assets at her disposal, could not improve areas and Rs. 24/- in the urban areas. the economic condition to that extent There are also millions of people in the where the poor people of tliis country could COUDtry-side who have not the purchasing have benefited. But that is the unfortunate power to purchase even essential commodi- position in which we stand at the present ties. The inflationary policies pursued moment. by this Administration have caused the prices to soar higher and higher to 'Under the Constitution, the Centre haS" a level which is far beyond the purchasing got all the financial powers concentrated power of millions of people in the country. in its hands. Nitural\y the States are As I said, only a few people have greatly being starved. The Stntes cannot tax benefited as a result of concession after wealth and income. They can tax only 291 Finance Bill, 1969 APRll. 29, 1969 Finance Bill, 1969 [Shri Badrudduja] development 'of all the regions of the ccuntry, it is necessary that there should be no commodities. Even in the list of commodity conllict between the Centre and the States. taxes they have sale taxes only the central excise duty lies in the hands of the Centre. The objective should be the delegation Naturally the States have got to come to of some financial powers to the States. the Centre for help, and assistance. Otherwise, they will have to come to the Cjmtle, for assistance and help in times of Unfortunately, however, after the last emergency and difficulty. general elections, relations between the Centre and some of the non-Congress Take the case of agriculture. For agri- States have been strained further and cultural improvement, we are thinking in further. I do not see any reason why, after terms of family piannill',. I am not con- general elections of 1967, the Centre took servative enough to shut my eyes to family into its head to set up several parallel planning when there is a population ex- police and security forces of the Central plosion. But in this scientific age when Government, like the Border Security people are scaling the sky, the Moon and Force, the Central Reserve Police Force Venus, when man is out to conquer the and the Industrial Security Force. energies and forces in the ph,.ical world and these energies are sought to be utilised, We saw how, during the last countrywide organised, disciplined, arrayed and pressed strike of the Central Government employees, in the service of man, for his edification the Central Reserve Police was deployeO and development, I do not see any reason in Keraia without consultation with the why we should have this fantastic nonsense Kerala Government. I know the Centre of family planning. Hundreds of crores has got the power, and nobody can question of rupees that have been -spent on family the right of the Centre to deploy its police planning might have been gainfully utilise4 force to protect its installations and pro- for irrigation facilities which would have perties, but courtesy demands that it should ushered in, long before the so-ca1led green be done in consultations with the State revolution, food self-sufficiency in the Government concerned. Our federal struc· country. I had a talk with an agro-econo- ture is like an organism. An organism mist in West Bengal. He said : 'we do not must live, grow develop and expand think about the technical know-how, we and the organs (States) should contribute to do not care for better seeds or better fer- the growth and evolution of the organism, tilisers ; We want only irrigation; give the organism in its turn conditioning the us irrigation {acilities and we shall give growth and development nf the organs. you three crops ; we shall give you jute ; In fairness, the Central Government should we shall give you rice and rabi crop as well not ignore the fact that the States are a India would have become self-sufficient part and parcel of the organism. long before the green revolution which is talked about so glibly today. But even Sir, we have here a man of the wisdom now what is the position ? Due to bumper and sagacity of the Finance Minister. crops thanks to the bounties of nature, we He is the last of the Romans who had have had so~ sort of improvement in close association ~ Mahatma Gandhi. the wheat position-on account of better Therefore, he inspires confidence. seeds having been used.' .lut in regard Whatever might be my political to rice, even now it is less than what it was differences with him, whatever might in 1964-65. There should, therefore, be be his approach to political problems, no complacency in this regard. We belong I cannot but have my admiration for his to the inofussil areas ; I represent a mofussil sagacity and wisdom. I would therefore, constituency; I have been there only recently. look to him for some sort of guidance in Our agriculturists, who costitute 75-80 tbis matter so that Centre-States relations percent of the population have no employ- might improve considerably. In the in- ment for five months in the year. When terest of India's securit,-, in the interest uneducated employment stares us in the of India's safety, in the interest of India's face, what is the position of the educated ? intepity, in the interest of the balanced Our graduates, B.As and B.Scs. M.AB, 293 Finance Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Fi/llll/Ce Bill, 1969 294 and M.Sc. B.a.ms. and M.Co1ns., brilliant will lead to a balanced development of all the engineers. -when they compare their lot regions. There are developed and undevelop- with the lot of the Ministers, pitchforked ed regiOllS; there are strategic regions and in the higbest positions of trust in the ad- regions which are not so strategic. But ministration of the country, what is the unfortunately, in spite of all tall talk reaction? Reaction is of rebellion which about reduction of regional disparities bursts into 1Iarnes all along the line. The and imbalances, the reality is that even educational authorities should try to dia- now the bulk of investment, production, gnose and remedy the disease. They industrial employment and disbursement must have some remedy for this deep sense of resources remain concentrated in a few of frustration due to insufficiency of employ- selected industrially advanced regions. ment opportunities which stare our you- ths in the face after their having spent a lot of time and ~ When I see law- lessness. I am inclined to ask the education But it does not mean that all the so- authorities to tap it at the root, go to the ealled industrialised regions are getting equal root of the case. Our educated young- treatment from the Central Government. man and women want some employment. On the Contrary, 'in the matter of disburse- They are the future hope of our country ment of financial resources and the they will shape the destinies of the nation; issue of industrial licences, the western they will control the growth of our economy; region, particularly, Maharashtra, is they will contribute magnificently to art, getting the most favoured treatment. architeCture, music, painting, philosophy TIle Central Government is showing this and the polity of Hindustan; they will stepmotherly attitude towards another shape and reshape, mould and rernould, State, West BcngaI. West Bengal is one of integrate and reintegrate the fissiparous the foremost regions of i"dustry, parti- tendencies and forces towards political, cularly heavy industry. The shares of social and economic reconstruction. We West Bengal in the total Income-Tax must give them opportunities. We have and Central excise duty collections of the failed them most miserably. But in Russia Government of India are 30.33 and 25 authorities have not failed. We talk per cent respectively. Of the total income- of family planning. Here I wish to. refer tax collection of Rs. 338 crores in 1968-69, to what Mao Tse-tung says. I do not West Bengal contributed not less than belong to that school of thought; I am not Rs. 112 crores. Similarly, of the total a communist and do not subscribe to their Central excise duty collection of Rs. 1,320.45 philosophy. Mao Tse-tung observes that crores, she contributed as much as Rs. every man and woman born is an asset. 330 crores. He says he does not believe in n ..cIear power. If necessary he would hurl against a nuclear power a million people and that West Bengal jute is one of the largest will be enough. I believe in the potency, foreign exchange earners, earning as much in the creative power, in the dynamism, as Rs. 122.6 crores in 1967-68. The Central in the vitality of youth that ,throbs with GoVernment realised Rs. 31 crores as jute emotion and pulsates with new hopes export duty in 1968-69. This, in brief, is and aspirations for a ~ greater the place of West Bengal in India's ec0- and happier India in which all nomic set-up. But since 1949-50 West classes and com&unities would be ad.. Bengal has been gradually, but steadily quately represented each one contributing losing her position to Maharashtra. according to his own light and convictions to the political, social, cultural and economic reconstruction of the common motherland. The following facts will prove this : Corning to my own State of West Bengal, in 1949-50, in respect of per capita income, I would invi te the attention of the hon. West Bengal occupied the first highest place. Finance Minister to one point. The main amoog the States of India, and Maharashtra ohpve of our fiscal policy should he to the fourth highest place. BIlt in 1964-65, "tilise the financial resources in a way that Maharashtra came to occupy the second 29S Finance Bill, 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 Finance Bill, 1969 296 [ Shri Badrudduja 1 people had' been burnt to death, the people of Britain would have provoked a first- highest place, but West Bengal went class crisis, would have demanded the heads down and occupied the fifth highest of those at the helm of affairs 0.1 a charger, place. and razed the Government to the dust. But this barbarous state of things in only This is the position. I do not know the possible in our administration' where reasons for it. West Bengal is going down. wapton loot, this barbarous state of things, Is it because we lack talent. Is it because loot 'and massacre of innocents has been we lack imagination? Is it because we allowed to go on unchecked, undeterred, lack the material and moral resources ? unthwarted Sir, in this administration, I Is it because we are not capable of building have not much faith. But I have faith in up the State of West Bengal? We want the noble souls of the Congress. There your sympathy; the sympathy of the Central are noble souls ' inG the Congress who Government, the co-operation of Central sympathise with us. In the hour of our Government; little more sympathy, a little greatest need, they have stood by us and more consideration, a little more helpful taken up the cause of the u~ s the attitude to improve the relations between unfortunate Scheduled Castes and Schedul- the States and the Centre. ed Tribes in the most humane, statesman like and generous fashion. 'We appreciate the sympathy, the generosity. the nobility, Coming to the report of the Home the magnanimity of noble souls, like Shri the following. The Ministry, we find Jayaprakash Narayan, Syri Nabah Kishore significant aspect is that the Central 'ex- Chowdhari and others who have so coura- penditure under the head "Police" has geously espoused our cause, Here I am been stepped up from Rs. 18,76 crores reminded of the words of Mahatma Gandhi, in 1961-62 to Rs. 31.83 crores in 1965-66, who declared in the Nagpur Session of the to Rs. 61.27 crores in 1967-68 and to Rs. Congress: "I am a man of peace. I 71.91 crores in 1968-69. And yet, we believe in peace. But I do not want that find to our dismay allover the country peace which is in a piece of stone or in a that our Scheduled Caste and Scheduled grave. But I want that brand of peace Tribe brethren are being burnt to death. which is imbedded in the human breast The helots of Greece, the Plebeians of and exposed to the arrows of the whole Rome, foilght and attained positions, world and protected from all harm by but these poor untouchables, groaning the might of the Almighty God. I also under the iron heels of caste domination, believe in the dispensation of God, as are being denied even the elemental human revealed in the Quoran. rights; they are being burnt to death. "Qui lnna Salati Nosoki Mohyaa 0 Mamati. Sir, during the last 22 years, there have been more than 1,000 riots allover the Lillahi Rabbie Alaamin ..... " country. Muslims have been butchered and massacred in cold blood in thousands My prayer, my fasting, my life, my death, and hundreds of thousands in the riots all my sufferings and miseries, my trials and over the country. Their properties have ordeals, my misfortunes and vicissitudes been devastated on a colossal scale. Their of life are all for the Lorg of the worlds. mosques have' been profaned and defiled. During 1966, the number of riots that We are grateful to the DMK Party of occurred was 136. In 1967, the number Tamilnadu and to the great Communist went up to 209, and during 1968, it went up Party of India; they have stood by Ui iD to 331. Any administration, the Home the hour of our greatest need. In 1964, Ministry,-would be ashamed of this 1965 and 1967 they took up cudgels on our performance. If there had been just half behalf when we had no quarter, no shelter, a dozen such deaths in England, due to no recogni tion, no appreciation, no encou- the inefficiency, the complacency of the ragemen t, no facilities and no opportunities administration, if there had been devastation and we were being pursued to the l1itter of properties on such colossal scale, if the end.' They took up our cause so heroically 297 Finance Bill, 1969 VAISAKHA 9,1891 (SAKA) Finance Bill, 1969 298 and that is why we lined ull with the DMK Bill before the House, even though the Bill Party in Tamilnadu and the Communist may, broadly speaking, answer to these Party in Kerala and West Bengal in throwing requirements, I think it can hardly be out ~ Congress administration. described as a distinct improvement over the series of Finance Bills which this House Sir, I would appeal to all progressive- had the privilege to consider. minded friends one all sides; Muslims, Christians and people belonging to all We . belong to a fraternity who have systems of religion, people representing accepted democracy and socialism as its various shades of political opinion in this objectives.' If we look at the provisions country, various Schools of political thought of this Bill from this angle, whether it to rise to the occasion, maintain the tradi- enhances the interests of socialism, there tions of India which are very great, very is hardly anything to commend for thought noble, very hill, very inspiring, very en- that this is helping the process of nationalisa- couraging, very much consistent with ordered ·tion, the process of public ownership of progress of human society. essential means of production. There was a proposal that import and export trade of Sir, those who struggle, suffer and bleed the country should be nationalised. for the cause of righteousness, truth and justice &0 earth, never die, they never SHRI MORARJI DESAI: Progressively perish; they live a newer life, a fresher taken up; not nationalised. life, a nobler life, a higher life, a sublimer life in ~ life of communities and the SHRI SHIVAII RAO S. DESHMUKH : nation. They serve as a sheet-anchor in • I am sorry. If it is to he judged from this the lives of millions of Hindus, Muslims, angle whether it is to be progressively Christians, Buddhists and Sikhs. We nationalised, we have to satisfy ourselves have got to forge ahead to an ever-widening as to what progress we have made in the horizon of thought and action. Midnight natiOnaJisation of export-import trade. gloom and darkness threads the horizon; clouds are gathering fast over our heads, threatening to burst upon our shoulders Very little economies, almost insigni- any moment. But have faith in God and ficant countries, in the interest of their confidence in your mission. Then and economy have nationalised both the export then alone we can create a new India which and the import trades and their economies will be full of hopes and possibilities of have been benefited. But our present opera growth for all sections of the people in the tion of the export-import trade only goes to country. benefit that class of society which. indulges in overinvoicing and underinvoicing, with the .result that the economy loses not only SHRI SHIV AJI RAO S. DESHMUKH (Parbhani): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am millions and billions of rupees but also very thankful to your goodself for giving its self-respect. me an opportunity to advance my views on the Finance Bill before the House. The The economy is the breeding ground for Finance Bill in any country is an event corruption and it unnecessarily gives in wherein the people of.he country judge the bands of those whose job it is to issue whether tll& government is carrying the what are described as import licences the economy forward or it can be held responsi- power to decide the fate of many moneyed ble for, what may be called, putting a people. The moneyed !,!,ople in this country spanner in the wheel. The Finance Bill specialise in this; they knoW when to strike of a welfare State is looked upon by ordinary and how to obtain what they have to obtain. citizens of the land to· see whether that Bill going to further the interests of social In this light I am sorry to say this Finance welfare, whether that Bill is going to remove Bill has not helped the economy either the existing inequalities, if any, and whether to progressively nationalise the import- that Bill is going to help the economy to export trade or to implement even the . growfmd prosper. And if any of tbese limited propbsal that the export· trade touch-stones is applied to the present being left as it is the import trade should 299 FillJJllce Bill, 1969 APRIL 29, 1969 Finaltce BiJI, 1969 300 , [Shri Shivaji Rao S. Deshmukh] per cent ad valorem duty on power-driven be nationalised at a stretch. If that had pumps. been done, the economy would have pro- spered if not by getting proper prices for We toy with the idea that the Green the goods which we import at least by stopp- Revolution has created a class of rich ing underinvoicing and overinvoicing. peasants and poor peasants. I beg of you to consider that in a country where land This racket of underinvoicing and over- reforms have been enforced, where there invoicing has to be broken at whatever is ceiliDa on land holdings, where there is cost that would be necessary to be paid. no ceiling on urban hQlding, how can we It is most unfortunate that even the moneyed talk of the ~ on of a richer class of people in this country think that import people in the villages? If there are richer licences should better be auctioned than classes of people, I must say that the so- routed through dubious means where certain called richer classes are the poorest compar- bonds are formed and certain big business ed to the urban property holders. houses flourish at tlie exercise of discretion of petty officials who either do not under- We have nothing to offer for monopolies; stand the economics of the country or we have no means by which we can curb who are interested in furthering the econo- monopolies. We do not have any policies mic inten:sts of the moneyed class. undue profits can be stopped from going into coffers where already money has In this background this Bill has nothing accumulated to a dangerous proportion. to offer. In the background that India We have nothing to offer to poor villagers is an agricultural country, 80 per cent of who grow only 10 per cent more than what India lives in villages, poverty in India we did in the last series of droughts. We is concentrated in villages and the majority come and tell them that this is a Green of people whose income is less than even Revolution. It is better if only we do away one rupee are living in villages in the with this idea of a so-called revolution country, this Finance Bill has nothing to because revolutions have not been wrought offer. by idle policies; revolutions do not come up merely by accepting or praying to God We talk of the Green Revolution. or performing Satyanarayan Puja. Revolu- Whether it is. a green revolution or a red tions have to be wrought by the people revolution or it is a revolution, it is certain themselves and the people of the country that it has not reached the common people have to be helped in order to bring about and the villages of India. The Green revolutions. We have no claims to say Revolution has arisen in the minds of air- that we have either helped the process of conditioned thinking, of drawing-room revolution or we have even thought that socialists and of those who administer farmers will use modern means of produc- policies and want to toy with the' idea tion. When we speak of researches in that because of their policies production agriculture, when we speak of our scientists on the agricultural front has increased. being the sole force behind agricultural If at all production on the agricultural development, we forget that the cultivators front has increased, it has not increased in India have started their march on increas- by what we do here and by what we decide ing production or, the basis of researches here but it has inaused only .because of conducted not in India but in the distant the act of God and the sweat which an Mexico. It is a matter of history that in average cultivator has put in. Cultivators Mexico certain seeds and cattle were taken in India literally by the sweat of their centuries ago on the ground that the Mexican brow and, if I may say so, by shedding climate and the Indian climate have much their blood in the form of sweat, grow more to compare and have much similarity. and more. In that act neither this Govern- It is an irony of fate that the Mexican ec0- ment nor this House has anything to contri- nomy is supposed to thrive on the basis bute; on the contrary, we come out with of seeds and cattle imporUld from India the proposal that there should be 10 per and, after centuries, India is supposed to cent ad valorem dut), on 'ertiliser or 20 import seeds and cattle from Mexico in 301 ~ 1969 VAISAKHA 9.1891 (SAKA) Fu.Ilf1ce Bill, 1969 302 order to help the poor agricuttural economy fertiliser dearer for the Indian farmers'and in India. If at all IDdian cultivators have to we come out to· say that we have provid- be congratulated, they ha\ll: to be congratula- ed fertiliser to tbe farmers. ted for bringing, by their own efforts, seeds and research from tbe distant Mexico. Agriculture in India contributes to the In fact, our scientists bave started working extent of 50 per cent of our net earning in with indigenous strains and wbereby the foreign exchange. Do we contribute 50 per producticlll will increase. cent of our foreign exchange for developing fertiliser industry, for developing pesticides We say that a ricb class of agriculturists industry, for importing agricultural machin- has developed. But we forget that it is ery, on the basis of which alone agriculture common experience no economy of the can thrive ? We forget that intensive agriculture is the only key not only to world has ever prigressed unless it has got, wbat is called, surplus from agriculture. the progress of economy but for tbe solu- tion of unemployment which is roost pre- Agriculture is not like an industry. If I put a plant manufacturing cigarettes valent in the rural-side. We have not witb a capacity of 1,000 cigarettes an hour, devised any means by whicb unemployment tbe moment the plant goes into production, in the village can be gauged. We have no I get 1,000 cigarettes an hour. But if I information at our disposal by which we cultivate a bigha of land and I expect one can that landless labourers in India are quintal of cotton from that, I may put being gainfully employed. Yet we talk of in all efforts at my command, I may literally increasing unemployment. When we talk do whatever is humanly possible, and yet ,of unemployment, we talk unemployment at tbe end of tbe season, I may not get a as registered in employment exchange grain of cotton. So, in an economy where registers. We have nothing to say about it is mostly dependent on mother nature, the volume of unemployment tbat is pre- valent in the countryside. in an economy where neither the Govern- ment nor the Parliament can claim to have helped in the process, to say .that a This unemployment problem can be green revolution has started and that the solved by simple means which do not policies emanating from the Centre are require any foreign eJ IShri Shivaji Rao S. Desbmukh] supply, we ate not only neglecting every- thing that has to go to the villagers, but exchange, if Indian agriculture contributes even for the urban population we have done to the growth of 50 per cent of our gross almost nothing. Whatever we have been national product, it is reasonable to expect doing is only distributing salaries and dear- that a minimum of 50 percent of the total ness allowances to government employees. Plan expenditure should be diverted to Every time we are talking of nummum agriculture. As long as we are not going wages for government employees. ,I am to do that, no cultivator in the countlY is not oPpese equality of income is in' this country. whatever we are collecting from agricullllral A man in the village has to starve or has sector, we are not giving them back. How to live on an income of less than one rupee can we expect agriculture to develop in a day wbere as a man living in the city India? I will urge the Finance Minister talks of need-based mimimum wage which to do a great service to Indian agricuJture goes to provide adequate shelter which by removing the so-called' duty on fertiliser goes to provide education for his children, and if he fails to do it, we would have no which goes to provide the minimum health reply to those who insist on this House which provides him protected water supply, refusing to vote for this BiD. etc. We must compare' at every stage as to what we are doing for rural people. 18.34 hn. 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