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Tuesday, April 15, 1969 Fourth Series1R.40 Chaitra 25, 1891 (Saka) /2.6$%+$ '(%$7(6 Seventh Session Fourth/RN6DEKD /2.6$%+$6(&5(7$5,$7 New Delhi CONTENTS Nos. 40-TuesMY, April1S, 1969/Chaitra 25, 1891 (SAKA) Columns Oral Answers to Questions- *Starred Question Nos. \081 to 1085 1-29 Written Answers to Questrons - Starred Questions Nos. 1086 to 11 lit 29-50 Unstarred Qaestions Nos. 6365 to 6374.6376 to 6414, 6416. 6417.6419 to 6472, 6474 to 6486,6488 to 6490, 6492 to 6496, 6498 to 6504 and 6506 to 6540 ... 50-181 Re. Proccdur~ in the House 181-34 Papers Laid on the Table 184-85 Estimates Committee- Statement reo Replies to Recommendations 185 Public Accounts Committec- ' Forty-fifth Report 185 Committee on Public Undeltakings- Thirty·first Report 185 Motion reo su.,pension of.Rule 338 in respect of Constitution (Twenty-second Amendment) Bill 185 Shri Shri Chand Goyal ... 186-87 Shri Abdul Ghani Dar ••• 187-91 Constitution (Twenty-second Amendment) Bill 191-277 Motion to consider 191·233 Shri Y.B. Chavan 191-99 Shri Abdul Ghani Dar I 99-20! Shri Ranga 204·06 Shri H.N. Mukerjec 206-Q9 Shri Shri Chand Goyal .•• 209-12 Shri Krishna Kumar Chatterji 212-14 Shri Swell 215·17 Shri Nambiar 217-19 Shri Jaipal Singh 219·21 Shri S,M. Joshi 221·23 Shri Surendranath Dwivedy 223·25 Shri Kartik Oraon 225·27 Shri Prakash Vir Shastri ... 227-31 Shri B.K. Daschowdhury 231·33 Clauses 2 to 4 and 1 233·69 Motion to pass 262 Shri Y.B. Chavan 269-71 Shri Kanwar Lal Gupta 269 Shri S. M. Banerjee 271·12 *The sign + marked aoove tbe name of a member indicates that the (!nestion was actually asked on the floor of tbe House by that Member. (Ii) Columns Statement re. Price Policy for Rabi cereals for 1969·70 Marketing season 277 Shri Jagjiwan Ram 277 Demands for Grants 277·356 Department of Social Welfare 277·356 Shri Siddayya 278·82 Shri Ram Singh Ayarwal 282·89 Shrimati Rajni Devi 289·93 Shri K. Halder 293·97 Shri Basumatari 297·301 Shri K. Lakkappa 30l-07 Shri M.G, Uikey 312.21 Shri Mahant Digvijai Nath 323·26 Shri Sadhu Ram ' 326·31 Shri D.R. Parmar 331·35 Shri K. Narayana Rao 335·39 Shri Atam Das 339-40 Shri Kartik Oraon 341·46 Shri Shinkre 34648 Shri S. M. Solanki 348-51 Shri B. N. Kureel 351-54 LOK SABHA DEBATES 2 LOKSABHA (b), No, Sir. Tuesday, April 15, 1969/Chaltra 25, 1891 (c) Does oot arise. (SAKA) .n ~ smR : ~ ~ it (Iti), (lir) (If) 'lW11 ~ ~ ~ ~ The Lok Sabha met at Eleven 0/ .m: the Clock IIii[ ~ I ~ ~ ;;rr;:r;rr ~ I fit; ~ ~ 46. ~ ~ ~ [Mit. SPEAUIt In the Chair] cri • fiI;crit. "PIT Ifil ~ ~ ~ ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ~ ~ ~ f.t;!IT 'T!IT .m: ~ qor ijIti IFf II f61ml If!IT t ? IIIi ~ 1Wl.n DR. (SHRIMAT1) PHULRENU GUHA: I am sorry I cannot pve the percentage. + Bllt I can tell the House tbat the Schedllied *1081 • .n ~ SAm : Castes and Schedllled Tribes are given facili- ~~ ~ ties 00 the basis of caste and commllDity io view of the Directive Principles contained io ~~ article 46 of the Coostillltioo. r r ~ ~~ ~ .n ~ smR : ~ ~ ~ f.t; fiI;crit iRrR II>'t ~ ~ fit; : srfumr "PIT ~ ~ WlfTlf ~ ljUi ~ ~ (Iti) !flIT ~ ~ fit; ~ ifIf f.r;r f.t;lfT 'T!IT 1II1fq;J; W:rtmt' sr;rr;r _ ~ ~ ~~ ~ I ~~~~ ~ ~ 'fTlf. 'fT1nl:: n: ~ <iT ;aoJiI\T r u~ r rr ~ f I rr~ THE MINISTER OF LAW AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI GOVINDA (lir) rn ~ I!iT ~ ~ MENON): It is a very indefinite queslion as srRf ~ t f,.; ~ IIiro!T ~ <=rnT to what percentage of backward commllllitios have be:o liberated from ~o o I do ~ ~ (t flf\'f ~ nol think it will be p:>ssibl. to answer a '111: question like that. (tJ") ~ m ~ m it ~~ .n ~ smR : 'flrT 1I''lI'T ~ it ..:l" rn lffirf'llilIT t.m: it w:r"n( m IIii[T f.t; i!l: ~~ ~ ifffi'IT m t, ~~ • ~ ~ r r ~ ~ ~ iIa.rT if!IT m t ? ~ ~ f.Jit ~~ IfiT !flIT 1fiTli'lT(t rn ~ 1I"'lI'r.rlT ~ c ~ iI\T '«IT IFf ~ t ? \'f'TT ~ f {Orf,.;;r ~ <rlfiflff ~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~ <r'Tl. \'I1IJl it ~ fiI;crit ~ ~ MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE DE- W'f'ETT1:( lI'Tqf ~ f ~ ~~ ~ ~ PARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE [DR. (SHRIMATI) PHULRENUGUHA]: (a> No. ~ ~ ~~~ ~~ Sir. ~ ~ ~ miff. f.Jit m!T\fT;r if 3 Oral ~ APRIL IS, 1969 Oral Answe,. 4 ~ ~~ 46 iF o;qm<: 'R ~ '1i'lCflf ~ depend upon the further question as to who belongs to the backward communities. WI" ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ? The different State Governments have SHRI GOVINDA MENON: With respect classified different communities as backward. to backward communities there is a provision On that matter lhere is a controversy, but so in the Fundamental Rights chapter under far as the Central Government is concerned, which the State Governments can c du~ all the facilities and amenities afforded certain communities as backward communi- by \lie Central Governmen' on ,the basis of ties. So far as the Central Government is caste dre extended only to the Schedule Castes concerned, only the p:>orer among them are a:ld Schedule Tribes. So far as tbe otbers given facilities and those facilities have been are concerned, it depends upon their econo- continued fcr the last several years. It is mic position, our proposal to .ee that, SO far as Central Government are concerned, the backward ~ 1{t ~ ~ communities cease to be backward in the -n!RiFf mit earliest possible time. ~ ;r@' ~ rr I if.r ~ ~ ~ f.!;w ~~~ f.!;;;r) ~~~ ~ -n '!)<;sj\' ftR: 19 qli ~ iTlf ~ ;a-;;'fiT ~ Of;T ~~~ if +1T WRT ~ or Of;) <,!TIJ ~ ~ ~ ~ 'HIT ~~ if ~ m'<rRT iF ~ iF r ~~ ~ 50 m?: ~~ r ~ ~ I if.r "IT !RiFf mit ~~ : W ~ ~ ~ f.!; llTtn ~ r r f.!;lf]' ~ ~ l!lI'Ri") ~~ f;;rn.,T 'WItu ;;nfCTlll Of;f WofTl{T t m "f'fTiif f1l'<'!;;T ~ I 50 orol?: ~ liT ~ ~~ r ~ if ;r@' flf"f ~ ~ "lfT ~ +1T ~ ~ ~~ r ] f.!; ~ if liT ~ f;riRT ~ ~ ~ m 50 ~ ~ f1l'''f 'frif ~ ~ ~ ~ t:: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~c ~ ~ CTmlOf; ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ if?d.- ~<i J! 1c1l0 ul:1r ~ ~ ~U"Ar ~ ~ ~ ~ -: V1 ~~o~ ~ ~ r ~ ~ ~ I 7-"1fJ Ir I". A;:'" .L I.i' -0' [. ~ t} I..JI-" ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ c ·1 -:. • SHRI GOVINDA MENON: It is true d ~~ ~ ~~ that so far as the Scheduled Castes are con- cerned, their representation in the service is ~ ~ £ VI 7-''''' ~J-! not as much as their percentage in the popu- lation. But year by year, this gap between ~ L ~~ ~ their representation in the services and their t:::-;!:.Jt: 'J+ percentage of population is being reduced ~ ; .' ~~ very quickly. ~u ~ ~ r~ P [. PJf ~~c ~ ~ ~ Of;T ~ ~ m 'lmcrqli it SHRI GOVINDA MENON: The ques- tion as to what percentage of the people f;;rn;tT ~ ~ ~ m ~ ~ Slfumr be!ong to the backward communities wiU ~ ~ ~r if; m ~ ? s Oral Answers CHAITltA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6 SHRI GOVINDA MENON: The per- ~ r~ ~ R.;A r ~~ M lfit ~ centage oC backward communities will depend ~ ~ ~ ~ upon the definition of backward communities. ;;IT "li1 fCf1Jf(f m- srfm;r Without notice, I am not in a po,iticn to ~~~~~~ ~~ r~ collect the information from the various f'li ....~ ~~ ifiT;;r) ~ r States and give the percentage. m- t ~ 1J1'f iF 'll") ;r;fT' 'tln: if, ;;it fit; ~ 'l' UI'f ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ m ~ r~r uo ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ iF ~~~ ~~ r~ 'fiT f"{qll fuft .dOl" if ~ ~ ~ ~~ I It mffi" ~ ~ 'l<: ~~ <ilf ~ 'Imf ~ lj'lf1 $if ~ ;;rr;r;rr ~ fit; ~ ~~r ~ ~ qq;jik ",r ~ I WI<: ~ ~ ~ f,prfu m- ~ ~ o ~ srmmT Wfn: ~ ~u 'fU ~ ..".;;miT or f.ti1fT lfllT? 'iff ~ tr<;f ~ ~ ~ ,,1 ~ fort!; o ~r u iIm!1: m<IT ~ I ~ 'l<: f<nrf(f m- ~ ~ fuit ffiCr ~rorr If:rr ~ ....1 ~ ifiT, >;I) ~ Statement Made by Chairman of Committee on UntoacbablUty iFfiro;f iF ~~~ ~ ~~ <mr ~ fort!; srll"Tlf fif.lfT If·:rf ~ I 1'Il'I'lTif ,,1 q.;r;r ~ *1082. SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA: Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL ~o r ~ ~~ r~~ WELFARE be pleased to state: ~ ....1 ~ r iF) ~ ~ ~ iF f<;rit 1 OTTllf ~ 0 ~ c ~~ ",1 ~ r 111 (a) whether his attention has been drawn to the statement made by the Chairman ~~ ~r ~ ~ t I ~ r ~ ~ 'l<: of the Committee on Untouchability appear- 11',,1 ~ ~~ ~ ~ ifflorTt!;' f'li ing in the Times of India on the 31st ~ r ~ ~ o ~ December, 1968; rrle fffi! srmmT gllll I (b) whether Government have addressed the State Governments of Madhya Pradesh, THE MINISTER OF LAW AND Gujarat and Madras with rrgard to the SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI GOVINDA practising of untouchabili'y in those S'ates; MENON): The article in the YojanQ is not the and dissenting note by Mr. Aehutan. The dissen- ting note is something separate. It was handed (c) if so, with what results? over to the Chairman of the Committee. He thought that it should not be included. We THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have included it in the conn:cted papers. MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE DE- PARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE Regarding pressurisation, that is denied. [DR. (SHRIMATI) PHULRENU GUHA1: About the payment of Rs. I lakh, that is (a) Such a report has appeared in the Times also denied. of India. '" IQI' ~ Pi : ~~ r m- ;r;r (b) and (cl. The State Governments con- ~ ijiJ; ~ t ~ ~o ~~ ~ cerned have been addressed in regard to the allegations maCe in the report. The Govern- ~ r iF fut!: ~ lfll"r 'fT I ~ 1Ji1Jit ments Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat have iF ~ro ~ ~ r fuli iF ~~ ~ m- if>'t denied the allegations, while a reply flom the ~ ~ fif;<rr H1f;r.