Tuesday, April 15, 1969 Fourth Series1R.40 Chaitra 25, 1891 (Saka)
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Nos. 40-TuesMY, April1S, 1969/Chaitra 25, 1891 (SAKA) Columns Oral Answers to Questions- *Starred Question Nos. \081 to 1085 1-29 Written Answers to Questrons - Starred Questions Nos. 1086 to 11 lit 29-50 Unstarred Qaestions Nos. 6365 to 6374.6376 to 6414, 6416. 6417.6419 to 6472, 6474 to 6486,6488 to 6490, 6492 to 6496, 6498 to 6504 and 6506 to 6540 ... 50-181
Re. Proccdur~ in the House 181-34 Papers Laid on the Table 184-85 Estimates Committee- Statement reo Replies to Recommendations 185 Public Accounts Committec- ' Forty-fifth Report 185 Committee on Public Undeltakings- Thirty·first Report 185 Motion reo su.,pension of.Rule 338 in respect of Constitution (Twenty-second Amendment) Bill 185 Shri Shri Chand Goyal ... 186-87 Shri Abdul Ghani Dar ••• 187-91 Constitution (Twenty-second Amendment) Bill 191-277 Motion to consider 191·233 Shri Y.B. Chavan 191-99 Shri Abdul Ghani Dar I 99-20! Shri Ranga 204·06 Shri H.N. Mukerjec 206-Q9 Shri Shri Chand Goyal .•• 209-12 Shri Krishna Kumar Chatterji 212-14 Shri Swell 215·17 Shri Nambiar 217-19 Shri Jaipal Singh 219·21 Shri S,M. Joshi 221·23 Shri Surendranath Dwivedy 223·25 Shri Kartik Oraon 225·27 Shri Prakash Vir Shastri ... 227-31 Shri B.K. Daschowdhury 231·33 Clauses 2 to 4 and 1 233·69 Motion to pass 262 Shri Y.B. Chavan 269-71 Shri Kanwar Lal Gupta 269 Shri S. M. Banerjee 271·12
*The sign + marked aoove tbe name of a member indicates that the (!nestion was actually asked on the floor of tbe House by that Member. (Ii) Columns Statement re. Price Policy for Rabi cereals for 1969·70 Marketing season 277 Shri Jagjiwan Ram 277 Demands for Grants 277·356 Department of Social Welfare 277·356 Shri Siddayya 278·82 Shri Ram Singh Ayarwal 282·89 Shrimati Rajni Devi 289·93 Shri K. Halder 293·97 Shri Basumatari 297·301 Shri K. Lakkappa 30l-07 Shri M.G, Uikey 312.21 Shri Mahant Digvijai Nath 323·26 Shri Sadhu Ram ' 326·31 Shri D.R. Parmar 331·35 Shri K. Narayana Rao 335·39 Shri Atam Das 339-40 Shri Kartik Oraon 341·46 Shri Shinkre 34648 Shri S. M. Solanki 348-51 Shri B. N. Kureel 351-54 LOK SABHA DEBATES
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LOKSABHA (b), No, Sir.
Tuesday, April 15, 1969/Chaltra 25, 1891 (c) Does oot arise. (SAKA) .n ~ smR : ~ ~ it (Iti), (lir) (If) 'lW11 ~ ~ ~ ~ The Lok Sabha met at Eleven 0/ .m: the Clock IIii[ ~ I ~ ~ ;;rr;:r;rr ~ I fit; ~ ~ 46. ~ ~ ~ [Mit. SPEAUIt In the Chair] cri • fiI;crit. "PIT Ifil ~ ~ ~ ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ~ ~ ~ f.t;!IT 'T!IT .m: ~ qor ijIti IFf II f61ml If!IT t ? IIIi ~ 1Wl.n DR. (SHRIMAT1) PHULRENU GUHA: I am sorry I cannot pve the percentage. + Bllt I can tell the House tbat the Schedllied *1081 • .n ~ SAm : Castes and Schedllled Tribes are given facili- ~~ ~ ties 00 the basis of caste and commllDity io view of the Directive Principles contained io ~~ article 46 of the Coostillltioo.
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~ ~~ 46 iF o;qm<: 'R ~ '1i'lCflf ~ depend upon the further question as to who belongs to the backward communities. WI" ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ? The different State Governments have SHRI GOVINDA MENON: With respect classified different communities as backward. to backward communities there is a provision On that matter lhere is a controversy, but so in the Fundamental Rights chapter under far as the Central Government is concerned, which the State Governments can c du~ all the facilities and amenities afforded certain communities as backward communi- by \lie Central Governmen' on ,the basis of ties. So far as the Central Government is caste dre extended only to the Schedule Castes concerned, only the p:>orer among them are a:ld Schedule Tribes. So far as tbe otbers given facilities and those facilities have been are concerned, it depends upon their econo- continued fcr the last several years. It is mic position, our proposal to .ee that, SO far as Central Government are concerned, the backward ~ 1{t ~ ~ communities cease to be backward in the -n!RiFf mit earliest possible time. ~ ;r@' ~ rr I if.r ~ ~ ~ f.!;w ~~~ f.!;;;r) ~~~ ~ -n '!)<;sj\' ftR: 19 qli ~ iTlf ~ ;a-;;'fiT ~ Of;T ~~~ if +1T WRT ~ or Of;) <,!TIJ ~ ~ ~ ~ 'HIT ~~ if ~ m'
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SHRI GOVINDA' MENON: We have ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ nothing to do with the article in the YojtJlItJ. fir; arr;ft It receives articles from members of the ~ ~ 'Ii) If''ltT ~ ffl public. Mr. Achutan has liven his views ~ if 'IT'll ~ I ~ Ififfu ~ about ccrtain matters in that article. The t dissentinl note is different. For some reason ~ ~ ~~ ~~ which is not undetstandable to me or to the ~ ~ r "ITm it; 'IT« m;r ~ t I department, the dissentinl note has not been ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ included or appended to the main report. We IIf11': i\ W m lOt a copy of the dissenting note and placed ~ 'ii "1m ~ ~ ~ r~ 'ilrR ~r ~ it on the Table. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ 'liT '{U m'I' ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~ t I 'liT ;rTc: Wi\" it; f.n!: i!T(f' (I) ~ rn ~ ~ mtI SHRI S. KUNDU: Sir, it is a pertinent attended to by the Central Official Language QUestion and you should ask the Minister to (Legis/ative) Commission. reply to it, SURI S.C. SAMANTA: What is the MR. SPEAKER: I am glad Swamiji said 'appropriate agency' in all the States? Is it something. It is accepted by all. It is not a uniform or there is difference in status? qllOSlion but very wise words by Swamiji. While in some States !be Official Language Now, next question. Commission is functioning in some other States other organisations are function- T,...... tion of Ellaetmenls ing. + SHRI M. YUNUS SALEEM: Different .1083. SHRI S.C. SAMANTA: agencies have been set up in different States SHRI YASHPAL SINGH: for translatina Central Acts into rqional languages and they arc functioning under the Will the Minister of LAW 'AND guidance of the Official Language Com- SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state: mission with the terminology approved by the Commission. That terminology bas got ~~~ ~ ~ ~ morn ~ ~ ~ I ~ "I1'fiIT ~ I ;;?.rr fit; ~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~~ 'liT ~ ~ flI;lIT ~ fit; '1t SHRI GOVINDA MENON: No ·1084. '" ~ fat ~ : lfIf1 offence is meant. They are aU national ~ "'" ~ ~ ~ ~ Offiii't 'Ifr languagn used in different regions. fj1fT ~ fit; : DR. RANEN SEN: Yes; that way ('11) ~ 1968 if ~ you should say and write. lfrofTlf r~ 'I1lfit imT ~ -mrlf 'In" ~ '1Ifur f.t>1!;;;rR ~~ f.!; 2 ~~ P ~ the Central Acts are translated into Hindi 1969 ~ ~ ~ qfot ~ ma- em if and regional languages, the clients will ~ ~ ;fif(f I!iT ~~ ~~ become more intelligent than the lawyers ~ ~ thus increasing the problem of unemploy- f.t;trr ;;rri't1rr, 'I1T ifJ ~ 'R ~ ~ ~ ~~ fit; m1T because the 2nd October is coming nearer. There is another thing also. As far as the ~ ~ ~~ ~ oo Chief Ministers of the States are concerned, I can understand about their consultation. THE" MINISTER OF LAW AND But about the Union Territories which arc SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI GOVINDA directly under the Central Government, what MENON): To the best of my information step is Government taking to introduce liquor is not served in official parties. As prohibition from the 2nd October. There to the second point Government have no is a mandate that no Congressman shall information. speak against prohibition. There is a re- port that the Chief Ministers arc now 'lft ~ ~ ~ ~ advocating for tempering it. So, I would ~ 'R ~ ~ r ~ ~~ ~ like to know what steps arc being taken against this policy. ~~ There are three specific questions, firstly, SHRI GOVINDA MENON: Let us about the progress made in connection go together o or~o with the consultation with the State Chief Ministers and, secondly, about the proposal 'lft ~ ~ ~ "lfU ~ of introducing prohibition from the 2nd October in Union Territories ...... r~ ~ ~ ~ ~ srf<:f q-«r 'f;) "IlT fcmrT for the Department of Social Welfare, what we have done is that we have prepared a mr.T ij; Of ~ ;;rrl!" ? ~ limit 'f;T ¥ note on prohibition for being circulated m'f ~ 'flll ~ it "IlT mr.T ~ 'f;T amongst the Chief Ministers. We can do ~ ~ lJ1;;rrr 0fTlJ: ~ '!>T ~ '!>T nothing further than to suggest these things to the Chief Ministers. Speaking again for fcr-;m: P the Department, if the Chief Ministers are departing from the Resolution passed in DR. SHRIMATI PHULRENU Goa, this Department can do nothing in GUHA: It is a suggestion for action. that matter. MR. SPEAKER: What is the foreign SHRI MANUBHAI PATEL: What exchange spent for imponing is the ques- about Union Territories which arc directy tion. That is not a suggestion for under you? action. SHRI GOVINDA MENON: About DR. SHRIMATI PHULRENU Union Territories also, many of them are GUHA: We do not have that figure. governed by Governments which are every- day becoming almost the same as these of the MR. SPEAKER: She wants notice. State Governments ...... SHRI MANUBHAI PATEL: It is SHRI MANUBHAI fATEL: It is clearly stated and a mandate has been given shirking the responsibility. by the Goa Resolution that Congress Governments in the States wiu introduce SHRI GOVINDA MENON: If, for prohibition from the 2nd October 10 as to example, the elected Government of Delhi complete within seven years the phased pro- Union Territory wants to impose prohibi- gramme and this phased. programme which tion, the Department of Social Welfare will is to Start from the 2nd" October will be give its greatest support to that decision. prepared in consultalion with the Chief Ministers. I would like to know what SHRI SWELL : Nobody in the country progress has been made in this direction aeriously believes that the Congress is" gainl 17 f),1II MsrurS 18 to implement this Resolution on Prohibi- the offer mlde by the Fin'Ulcc Minister, DO tion, and th: prohibition laws, as they are aid will be available. impleme!lkd now. have become a IOrt of humiliating farce. If one lOCI to any posh Reprdina the Vienna question, 1 do hotel, one is openly confronted with the not know anything. spectacle where a group of foreigners sit on a table, have the drinks and have the time SHRr S. M. BANERJEE : r would like of their IivCl, and a group of Indians on to ~ whether the attention of the hoa. another table are prohibited to drink and Minister has been drawn to the Press news they look on with envy and with a lense that 'just opposite the Spriagdales School of national humiliation. (Interruption) If in Delhi, near PUSB Road, where boys and you 10 to any hotel, you wiU find it out. I girls of 16 or 17 yean of aae are studyinc am all for prohibition. What I would like and near the Rabindra Rangsala, a wine to know from the Government is 'whether shop has been opened and a pukka shop they consider this kind of national I!umilia- is being constructed. Although the matter tion as a price that the nation has to pay was taken up with the Delhi Administration fer its prohibition fad. and the Chief Executive Couacillor assured that he would see that the shop is shifted, SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I do not I would Iiie to know from the bon. Minister think it is a humiliation not to drink. whether this question was brought to his notice and to the notice of his coUeacues, SHRI SWELL: The Minister is twist· the Home Minister and even that Prime ina my question. I am sayine that-maay Minister, by the PrinCipal of that Scbool, Indians would drink and you issue permits Mrs. Kumar, with a request that it should be shifted and if so, the reaction of the hoa. to them for drinkinc-tbese people are forced to a situation where they sit on Minister. I would also Uko to know whether he will 10 there personally and ._ another table under humiliatinc circum.. tances and look at the foreigners drinking the damap that is lOing to be done to the and bavine the time of their lives. students. MENON: 1 under. SHRI GOVINDA MENON: ldo SHRI GOVINDA stand that it is being shifted. not think so. SHRI M. L. SONDHI: It is beidl SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU: Is shifted to the wrong direction; it is beinl it a fact that the Finance Minister has brought near Rabindra Raagsala. (Interrup- oJrcred SO per cent aid if any State Govern- tions) ment introduces prohibition and is it also a fact that in order to eet this SO per cent SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I think, aid, the States which have already introduced that is not proper. prohibition have scrapped it to re-introduce it on the 2nd October in order to eet the benefit? "" liii.. iii(iQ" : ~ ~ ~ I!im iii( ~ ~~ or)il;R;rit if ~ omr IflrT t, ~ Another thine is that there is a rumour o ~~ ~ ~~ going oa here that a Minister went to VienIIa and he drank 80 much that he created ~~ ~ '{m ~ ~ r ~ I a scene there. Will the hoa. Minister explain who that Minister was? '" ~ .n : nt 1I''lI'1 ~ ~ ~ ~ m1fi ~ ~ r ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ I ~~ ~ ~ ~ f.t;!flIT 1I''lf1 $lf ~~ r IIiT f4ffiij' ~ r ~ ~ rr ~ fiI; f\;m 'flit it ~ ~ ~ P~ ~ m- if ~ ? ~ ~ rr ~ 1f11r.TT ~ 'flit it ~ "li1 1I''lf1 ~ iftJ t, it ~ ~ f.I; ~ ~ ~ >iTCfTiT ~ ... ~ ... ~ I MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Jaipal Singh. ~ it 'iITififT ~ i fiI; ~ ~ SHRI JAIPAL SINGH: Mr. Speaker. ~~ ~~ ~ iA:' ~ (Inl!trruptions) om: ~ ~ ~ ~ SHRI S. KUNDU rosl!. ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ m1'T ~ ;;rTlf? MR. SPEAKER: Don't get excited. IRT ~ ~ ~ f.I; JfmT ~ it 'llroT Drink question should not make us ~ ~ 30 ~ ~ ~ ~ f.I;m- excited. ~ ? ~ ~ ~~ m~~ m it ~ SHRI JAIPAL SINGH: Mr. Speaker, ~ ~ IRT ~ ~ Sir. I have been an incorrigible anti- prohibitionist. Under no circumstances will my Adivasis agree to this because the SHRI GOVINDA MENON: When I meaning of prohibition is misunderstooj. referred to the 'Department of Social Prohibition is not only in terms of bear, Welfare', I meant the Government of India. whisky, rum and gin. Rice bear a staple Even the Government of India, with respect diet for the Santhals. It is used for every- to a matter which falls entirely under the thing from birth, marriago, death and so on. State list, can only make a suggestion to a I want to know whether it is not a fact Chief Minister, and the offer made by the that anti-prohibitionists are much better Deputy Prime Minister hue has been national interroga'ioni The ChieC Ministers who are against reception, given by foreign Embassies drink prohibition arc of the opinion that the only freely? Has it come to his notice or not7 p )ssible way is by persuasion and not by If it has not, then he must be quite obvious legislation. What is the Government's of facts. reaction to that 7 SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I am SHRI GOVINDA MENON : The Chief not aware oC it. Minister who holds such opinion is free to hold such opinion. SHRI N. K. SOMANI: One thing cannot be denied that this c)untry of ours sulfen SHRI 1YOTIRMOY BASU : If the hon. from a chronic shortage of resources which Minister aware oC the fact that in Raj has made it imp:>ssible for this Government Bhavans lot of duty-Cree Coreign alcohol is and the various State Governments to pro- imported? If so, what is his reaction? vide the basic necessities of life to human Is he also aware of the Cact that a famous beings. In view oC this, may I know north Indian distillery, the Dyer M.aking whether the Government of India will r~ ~r gave Rs. 5 lakhs to the Congress appoint a commission to enquire into the election funds last time? e,timate of the annual loss in terms of revenue to the State, an:! the harmful SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I am not effects and the extent of operation of illicit awar.e eith:r of the facts or allegatiom made distillation and to have an educative pro- by the hon. Member. gramme in favour of moderation instead of the insensible policy of prohibition? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : What ar: you doing sitting there ? SHRI GOVINDA MENON: It is a SHRI SONAVANE: May I know if suggestion for action. the total prohibition is to be enforced in all the States and U ruon Territories whether SHRI BlSHWANATH ROY: May I the amount of loss in revenue on account know whether the attention of the Central of prohibitio:t will be made goo:! to the Government has been drawn to a decision States? Have the Governme:lt thought of the UP Gavernrnent to the effect that over it and drawn any plan about it! within seven years complete prohibition should be enforced in the eJtire State, and" SHRI GOVINDA MENON: These if so, in case the other State Governments are matters which have to be discussed with also do the same, may I know whether the the Chief Ministers. Government of India will come to the succour of those States whose revenues SHRI J. B. KRIPALANI : o~ the ho:t. would be lesse1ed thereby? Minister know that when our people go to foreign receptions, they freely drink and SHRI GOVINDA MENON: That sometimes they are found in such a condition question can be considered when it is that they have to be shifted Cram 'there? raise:!. When we give rcceptio:ls, we do not serve any liquor? Is that a desirable thing? Also, may I know if it is not time to scrap SHRI MOHAMMAD SHERIFF: May this ,prohibition programme Crom the I know whether it is a Cact that during tho Directive Principles of State Policy enshrined recent Pondicherry State Assembly elections. in our Constitution? It is better to be some of the Congress candidates were toddy- Crank in these matters than to shilly-shally. shop owners and iC so, how many such candidates were there ? SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I have come across many persons who hold the SHRI GOVINDA MENON: I cannot views propounded by Acharyaji. answer it. SHRI1. B. KRJPALANI : Does he know MR. SPEAKER: I think he has no that officials and others who attend the figures. 23 24 ~~ ~ ~ the ~r od betweeD relistratioD iD Employment Exchanses and ~ ~ ~ ~ w. CaUout. ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ "!If 5I'til1:.' (ii) Special projects for assistiDg law ~ ~ lI'lIfTm it lfV Sl'lfPr 1Ii't ~ r I t graduates in the completion of their ~~ ~ Bar Council ExamiDation and Junionhip; Q. If'A lft6o;r ~ ~ o;r (iii) Industrial-techDical training to ~ q'Q'iif 1I'I!iTU: ~~ lfnn ~ ~ ~ Sbeduled Caste students byestabili- shed private entrepreDeurs; and ~ ~ ~~ RI!iT1: ~ Q ~ ~ ~ (iv) RemodelliDg ot the Industrial and f;r" 5I'til1:. "'I'f it TechDical TraiDiDg Institutes to lay ~ ~ ~ ~~ 1Ii't;ftfu more stress on modem trades and I!iT fir r ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 'lfT'{l:ll if ~ f;ro;rq' fif;ln' t IfI' ~ ? ~ it fl UOl'iftA; ~ ~ it; ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~r r ~~~ ~ ~ ~ iii\' 'lTrie6' ~~ P t, it ~ ;mr IIiT ~ fiI;Irr ~ fit; ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ r~ I¢l' f ;;itfiI; §f';f1mff IIiT \'ITIf ~ if ;;IT ~ ~ ~ ~ fl f'imit if f1mm ~ t 'a'iJ srl{fu ~ aqfiRr t ~ ffi \rn1lT ~ I];r ~ lrl'= ~~ ~~ SURI GOVINDA MENON: Both work ~ ~ it ~ ~ ~ ~ ;r(Y IfTlIT of assignment of land to Harijans and the fixation of minimum wages to ..ricultural Ai1:: ~ ~ ~ I WR it iT ~ workers are done by the various Slate !fro;. ffi 'IT'f .qU «{I'II'OT -R I ~ r~ Governments in accordance with their own laws. If{ ,'IT fit; ~~ ~r ~ ~ ;;IT ~ f1f"rnr t ~ if ~ m;J1fTlf "lj ~ SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: Have they got the land? t ;;j't ~ ~ 'tiT \'ITIf \1OT ~ t I ~ alii ~ ~ ~ qg'..- MR. SPEAKER: The States are living 1fT ~r ~ ~ iT ~ ~~ ~ u It; the State Governments are going into it. ;a;'f1Iir He has no other information. ~r t ~ iT ~ ~ ~r t I ~ «lrTif ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Of'l"lf SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: They are not giving it. In my State there lrl'= They are nol giving the lease to such MR. SPEAKER: It is being dealt with landless persons. What is the hon. Mini .. by the State Governments. So. what is ter doing? What informalion does he the use of asking this Minister? have? ,,1 pill' 'IR ~ fit;«T 1ft' SHRI GOVIND MENON: If it is ~ r~ ~ brought to our notice we can address the ... ",r or@' f'ImIT I State Governments. ~ W'l\'S ~ it ~ rrororr ... ~ ~ t... ~ lff;;r;TT it ~ ~ a-'fT .n ~ ~ : ~ iF ~ apr ~~ fum SHRI GOVINDA MENON: We have DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE eneated the Untouchability Act under AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be p!eased to which the practice of untouchability is state: made penal. If there are still cases where (a) whether it is a fact that small-scale untouchability is practised, certainly, the industries have been put in difficulties due enforcement of the Act can put an end to to the shortage of several materiall such as that practice. pig iron, mild steel, molasse" B.P. and G.P. .rt rr" 'If"( 1Ii1J'I"IIf: ~ ;;jT m;;r sheets etc.; ~ r ifiT ~~ ~ ~ ~ t ~ <{T (b) if so, whether this is due to dift'erent ~ r~~~ ~~ ~ arranJICments of allocation of essential ~ fm ~ ~ ~ ~ materials between small and big units; ~ ~ t mIf 'ifTififr ~ I fit; !fql (c) the steps taken by Government to remove ~ difficulties; ~ r it ~ ~r *'fn( ifiTli· ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ (d) whether it is a fact that Govern- t .nfi!; lIT ment have decided to allot more funds to lfft ~ rn it; f AND, COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased Licensinl proceduc:e. have already been to atate: allowed. (a) whether Government have examin- ~~ ~~ ed the various suue&tions/reports obtained in reprd to difficulties and bardships *1088. ~ experienced by the foreip investors in India; ~ ~ 'Ii ~ tqro ~ : (b) if 10. whether any firm policy in 'Ii ~ 1!." W'A'S : this relard has been formulated by ~~~ Government 10 as to attract foreigD Investors in India; and IIlll ~ mrnr, atm. ~ (c) if so, the details thereof? ~ ~ lII11i 1I''lI't ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ : THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT,' INTERNAL TRADE (;r;) rn ~ " t fit; RarA d~ AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. ~ ~ ~ it ~ AHMED): (a) Yes, Sir. it; m II>"t \lJt;J rn IIiT wmr m-r 'IT ; (b) Yes, Sir. ~ (,,) IlfCf ~ tit ~ ~ it; OfTII' (c) The main complaint of foreiln investors has been recardinl procedural ~r t ~ ~ IIiT rn ~ fiflli<'fr delays in processine applications for foreip t ? collaboration and tbe uncertainly reprdinl terms wbich would be acceptable to ~ r ~~~ Government. Various steps have been recently taken to cut doW\l. the procedural ~ lII11i ~ (,,1 W$ m delays in the processinl of foreip colla- ~ : ~ ~ ('ll). ~ .....~ I boration applications. A Foreip Invest- ~ S3 1Ii1"ff0llif it; ;n1f, 19 ~ 1968 ment Board has been set up, which will be responsible for all matters relatine to r ~ ~ q1f, IIIdl AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to As regards machine tools supplied by state: private sector units, the information is not readily available. Also the private sector THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE ·1090. 111" ~ "TIt: AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. AHMED): 1965-66 3.0 15.3 7.0 19.4 1966-6.7· 5.1 18.3 IG.4 28.8 1967-68· 4.3 17.8 14.7 32.7 ~ Group, which had b:ea set up to help the ('I') ~ ~ ~ ~ fqf.:r- Govenuneat in the formulation of 4th and Sth Five Year Plans for iron and steel, have ~ ~ ~~ ~ r 'liT ~~ inler-tlllll recommended the expansion of if ro~ ;puft t ~ Ill: m .1091. SHRI D. R. PARMAR: Will the ~ MADHU L1MAYE: Will Minister of STEEL AND HEAVY ENGI- the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- NEERING be pleased to state: MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: whether it is a fact that the Bakaro {a> whether Govenunent's attention has Steel Plant is to be expanded so as to create been drawn to the discontent among tho a capacity of four million tonnes of pig shareholders over the illusory rowers given iron during the Fourth Five Year Plan; and to them under the Companies Act; (b) if so, the details thereof? (b> if so, whether Government intend to amend the Act with a view to giving repre- THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND sentation 10 minority groups, views and HEAVY ENGINEERING (SHRI C. M. increased voice for the shareholden in POONACHA): and (b). The SteeriDg JCllllral in the running of a company ; and 37 Written Answers CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Written AllllfleI's 38 (c) if so, the nature of the contemplat. ed changes? -1094. ~~~ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE '1'1 "'" SIIJm ~ : AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. ~~~ AHMED): (a) Some representations have ~ been received about giving representation to minority shareholders on the Board of ~~~ Directors of companies; IRT ~ fiI1mf. ~ III"PI"A: (a) and (c). Sections 397 and 398. read (11fT ~ ~ Jf'l't ~~ 'm: ~ with ,ection 402 of the Companies Act give ~ ~ 12 ~ 1968 ~ ~~ oertain powers to the Court to pr0tect minority interests and section 408 confers lIH ~ 31 ~ ~~ ~ it ~ similar power on the Government subject iffif.t '11"1 ~ ~ : to the fullilment of the stipulated conditions in each case. Section 265 of the Companies ('II") ~ rr mliPr 'liT ~ lI'mcf Act provides for prop:>rtional representation of the shareholders on the BJard of Directors ~ ~ IflIT qr 'Tn: 1f!1T lI'tOfitT mlim of . a public company or of a private iir wf.t f=r.m: ~~ Jfmrlf 'liT ~ Rit comany which is a subsidiary of a ~ public company on an optional basis. The question whether such proportional ('!I') lIR ~ ~ ~ it representation on the Board of Directors m could be made mandatory by suitable amend- flffl'Rl' it; If!1T ~ t; qh' ments to the law is under consideration. (IT) 1f!1T ~ mlfPr 'liT ~ I'J'it 'f'lf lI>'l' t:!;'II" lI'm nT qnr on:: W ~ ~ fiI!mI', ~ anm: _ -1093. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI. GRAHl: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL (11fT ~~ """ (en ~ "'" DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE ~ ('II") ~ (IT). ~ ~ 'liT AND COMPANY AFFAIRS' b. pleased ~ ~ ~~ to state: 1ff'if. 1968 it on:: lI''IlT ~ ~ ~ f!fill'T IflIT qr Rffit ~ DEVELOPMENT. INTBRNAL TRADB of 137 trains have been augmented as a AND COMPANY AFFAIRS he pleased regular measure. to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 1241 on the 19th November. In the current time table also which 1968 regarding the inspection of books of came into force from 1-4-69. a total of 47 Accounts of Company Law Board and trains Including suburban services have been state:- Introduced/extended Involving an additional daily trains kilometrage of 2497. (a) whether the Reaional Directors have taken action on the various companies; (b) The above measures have provided additional accommodetion to the pllageDgers (b) if so. the details thereof; and but over-crowding on certain Sections and trains countinocs. ~~ ~ (tr) Rf'qlf mu.n 1f1;: ~ iH1fu; ~ 1.8 ~ ~ ~ ~ tiIrit qit ? ~~ ~~ ~ r ~ a1IT U1mI ~ "'"' (111ft ~ ~ t, f.I; ssrl ~ rn:r fiI;it qit ~~ ~~~ rillR!T ~ 1963-64 if ~ lf1Im: t:- ~o {fo 'U9lf !fiT I. ~ 450,301 2. ~ r 800,860 3. qft"Ilfl' ~ 353,762 ('if) ~ (tr). ~ ~ lI\i" LOPMENl', INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to ~ state: \b) if so, the anticipated production AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. capacity of the plant; and AHMED): (a) and (b). The demand for scooters, Motor cycles, Thl"l!ll-Wheelers, (C) the existing capacity for production Mopeds etc. bas been estimated by the of sod hnn sulphate in the country? Planning Group on Machinery Industries as 2,00,000 Nos. per annum by 1973-74. The THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL demand for scooters alone has not been DEVELOPMENT. INTERNAL TRADE assessed separately. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (d) wbether it is a fact that Government (b) whether ~ bave made would grant some more sanctions to appli- any inquiries into this allegation; cants for estab\isbina new factories to aJJ- eviate the sbortsae? (c) if so, tbroUlh which machinery; and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (d) if not, the reasons tbcrefor7 45 Written .411111'erl CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SA.KA.) 46 THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND (b) whether Government have COJIIidered HEAVY ENGINEERING lSHRI C.M. this offer; and POONACHA): (a) No, Sir. (C) when the final decision is likely to (b) to (d). Do not arise. be taken? Grant for I'h7*aII7 Haadkapped ChIIdna THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL ill tile Jawaharlal Nein lllltltate DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. ·1103. SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: AHMED): (a) Ye., Sir. However. the offer Will tho Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL was for H. P. Gas Cylinders and not for WELFARE be pleased to state: L. P. G. C)linders. Ca) how much grant has been given to (b) and (c). It has been decided in prin- the Jawaharlal Nehru Institute for Physically ciple to set up a plant in the public sector Handicapped Children during the years for the manufacture of H. P. Gas Cylinders. 1967-68 and 1968-69; The fealibilitY-ClIIII-project report prepared by National Industrial Development Corpo- (b) whether it is a fact that the grant ration Ltd., New Delhi, on this project is fo tho Institute haa not been liven in time under consideration. The source of foreign durins tho Jalt two years; and technical assistance required for this project (c) if 50, the reasons therefor? will be decided only after a decision on the project report is taken, and negotiatfona THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE conducted with foreign manufacturers. It MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE is expected that a decision on tho project DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE report will be taken in the next few weeks. (DR. (SHRIMATI) PHULRENU GUHA): The question of establishment of a project (a) The Government of India gave a sum in the public sector for manufacture or seam- of approximately RI. 2,18,900 to the Insti- less tubes is still uDder consideration. tute in 1967-Q1 and RI. 2,34,000 in 1968-69. (b) and (c). Grants are usually reloased in time. There are some times delays ·1105. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Will which are due to incomplete information the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- furnished by the Institute. MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that the Mafatlal aroup ranked fifteenth IlD10IIg the top mono- ·1104. SHRI N. R. LASKAR: poly houses in the country according to the SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAlDU: IepOrt of the Monopolies Inquiry Commis- sion; SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: SHRI K. P. SINOH DEO; (b) whether at p_t the Mafatlal rank SHRI Y. A. PRASAD: third in the list of top industrial houses in SHRI NARENDRA KUMAR. the country; SALVE: (c) whether durinl the last three year. WiD tho Minister of INDUSTRIAL ending 1966-67, paid-up capital of this group DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE of companies increased by about RI. 19 AND COMPANY AFFAIRS he pleased to crores and total assell by RI. 80.8 crores; state: and (d) if 10, the manner and method of this (a) whether it is a fact that Hunpry growth and Government's reaction thereon? has offered technical aid to establish plants for the manufacture of 50amless steel tubes THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL and low pressure ps cylinders; DEVELOPMENT, INTERN'AL TRADE 47 APRIL IS. 1969 Written AlIIWers 48 AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRJ F. A. the Caterina Enquiry Committee appointed AHMED): (a) Yos Sir. Mafatlal Group was by Government last year; ranked fifteenth in tho list of 75 groups liven in tho report of the Monopolies In- (b) the main recommendations which are quiry Commission. being implemented by Government; and (b) Since only these 3 houses bave been (c) whether the Committee has suggested studied. it is not possible to say how Marat- to hand over certain catering establishments lal would rank were all the others also at ~r railway stations to private elUllDined in the same way. bodies? (c) According to the survey made by THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. - Shri B. Datta, the total paid-up capital and RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) The Railway assets of the Mafat\al Group of companies Catering and Passenpr Amenities Com- (after takina into account certain other mittee, appointed on 13-7-1967 submitted compaDies which came under the control of their Report on 17-2-1968. There was only the Group) increased by Rs. 19.0 crores and one report. Rs. SO.8 crores respectively by 1967. (b) A statement containiDg the summary (d) According to the said survey. the of conclusions and Recommendations regard- growth was financed mainly by increase of ing railway catering accepted so far by the RI. 19 crores in paid-up capital and increase Government for implementation is laid on of Rs. SO.S crores in short-term and long the Table of the Sabba. [Placed In LibrOl'Y. term loans. S •• No. LT-764/69.] ~ d r (c) No, Sir . • 1106. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- LOPMENT. INTERNAL TRADE AND Scoofao Project In Haryana COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: *1l08. SHRI RAM KlSHAN GUPTA: (b) to (d). Currently the Nepa Newsprint meets only about 20% of the country's *1109. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: requirements and the balance is met by SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: imports. The newspapers in Kerala consume only a fraction of the Nepa newsprint. It Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be was indicated to some representatives of news- pleased to state: papers as early as 1964 that the question of fixiDg an f. o. r. destination price Cor Nepa (a) Whether it is a fact that certain re- Newsprint can be considered only if all the search done by the Research, Desigos and principal consumers of Nepa Newsprint agree Standards Organisation at Lucknow and to the extra cost that this would involve and Simla has been proved ineffective in practice some acceptable formula is evolved by the by the Worksbop; and Newspaper Association. (b) if so, the details thereof 7 ~ ~ r THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. 6365 . .n lfmI' ~ .: om RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (c) whether GOvernmcDt are aware that WlII the Minister of INDUSTRIAL lack of uniform F. O. R. price Cor Nepa DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE Newsprint is a discrimination against NeWS- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to papers oC States like KeraJa that are situated state: far away from Nepa Nasar, and (a) tho names oC Indian parties who (d) if so, the steps Governmeul propose want to collaborate with Bulpria and to take to fix uniform F. O. R. price Cor Rumania for the manufacture of tractors and Nepa Newsprint? some salient features of tho schemes sub- mitted by them with the tarSOIa of manu- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL facture set by each; DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. (b) tho value oC capital aoods whIch will AHMED): (a> No, SIr. be rwqulred Cor the above schemes and the 51 APRIL IS, 1969 ~ A"..,.. 52 manner in which provision for this is heing (e) the names of other States which have made; submitted schemes for manufacture of tractors with salient details of these schemes; and (c) whether it is a fact that a proposal (f) the action taken by Government on which was submitted by the Punjab State the above schemes? Industrial Development Corporation to - manufacture tractors in collaboration with THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL Bulgaria has been needlessly held up by the DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE Central Government: AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. AHMED5 «a) and (b). The foUowing proposals for the manufacture of aaricultural (d) if not, muons why this proposal has tractors in COllaboration with Bulgaria anJ not ,been sanctioned yet; Rumania bave been received: Name of the party Make of Tractor and Requirements of Name of Foreip annual Capacity. Capital goods as colJaborators. liven in the proposal. I. Punjab State Industrial Bolpr 13 HP 12,000 RI. 3.44 emr:s. M,'S.' Agromachinen ~ Corporation Ltd., Nos. impext &; Techno- Chandigarh. export, Bulgaria. 2. MiS. Prem Agro En8ineer- U-650 &; 651 (65 Hp) Rs. 2.70 crores. M/ s. Industrial ing Corporation New 10,OOONos. Export of Delbi. Rumania 3. M:s. Mohanwi Private Ltd. UTeS 45!6S 10,000 Not indicated. Do New Delhi. Nos. " (c) and (d). No. Further examination (a) whether it is a fact that the CelllClllt of the proposal was deferred pending receipt Corporation of India has submitted project of the results of the tests of the tractor report. for the establishment of Cement model Ulldertaken at Ihe Tractor Training Plants at JqdaJpur, Neemuch and KaIDi and Testing Station, Budni (Mp). The in Madhya Pradesh; report of Budoi Station has recently heen received. The proposal is DOW heiDI pro- (b) what is the capacity and financial cessed further in tbe list of the text report. outlay proposed for each of the three projects; (e) No other State Government has sub- milled any scheme for Ihe manufactnre of qricultural tractors. (c) since when these project reporls had been under the colllideration of (0 Does not arise. GovenlJlleDt; and C-t P1Bts Ia MIIIIh7a PIIIdeIII (d) by what time a fiDa1 decision is expected to he taken about them? 6367. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: SHRI G. C. DIXIT: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. INTERNAL TRADE WiU the Miniator of INDUSTRIAL AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AHMED): (a) The Cement Corporation AND COMPANY AFFAIRS he pleaaed of India Ltd.. hu submitted Project Reports to state: for the atablishment of cement plants at 53 Written Answer. CHA1TRA 2$, 1891 (SAU) Written AlIIWer. 54 Jagdalpur and Neemuch in Madhya (b) The infonnation in this Rprd is as Pradesh. follows: . SI. No. Locatioll 0/ Pmject &tlmllted capital COllI (Rs. llllakhs) \. Jagdalpur 2,00,000 tonnes 537.5 portland cclJlCl!lt 2. Neemuch -do- 491.0 (c) 22nd June, 1967. (c) and Cd). A number oC prosrammes have been undertaken in the State Sector to Cd) The question of allowing the Cement help backward classes and tbe Sc:heduled Corporation to set up a few more cement Tribes in promoting Village and Cottage plants i8 under consideration. The final Industries. Generally these schemes are decision will depend on availability of worked through Training Institutes and funds for the purpose under the Fourth Production Centres and aim at giving Plan. financial assiatance and technical training to enable the beneficiaries to set up or improve their own trades or business. Industrial Training Institutes set up under the Backward Classes Sector have been 6368. SHR1 BABURAO PATEL: Will very popular in Madhya Pradesh. Develop- the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP. ment of sericulture has also been very MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND fruitM there as it has helped in providing COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: employment to Scheduled Tribes. Six oil mills and thirteen saw mills have been, (a) whether there is any proposal to set or are being, established by the State up a &ep8.I1lte Industrial Development Cor- Tribal Cooperative Development Corpora- poration to plan and work for. adivasis tion in six deft'erent districts. living in various parts of the country; (b) if so, tbe broad outlines of the proposal; 6369. SHRI D. V. SINGH: Will the (c) the particular steps Government Minister Cor LAW AND SOCIAL WEL- propose to take and when, w:ith rcprd to FARE be pleased to state: the tribals and adivasis oC Madhya Pradesh; and . (a) whothec any programme to the development oC scheduled tribes in Madhya (d) if not, the reasons therefor? Pradesh for 1969-70 or Cor implementation under the Fourth Five Year Plan has been THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL submitted by that State Governmeat; DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. (b) if so, the detalls and COlt tbereof; AHMED): (a) The Minlatry has DO proposal and for setting up a separate Industrial DevelopmCllt Corporation to plan and (c) Govemment's decision thereon? work Cor adivasla living in various parts oC the country. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE (b) Does DOt arise. DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE 55 Writtea A_rs APlUL 15. 1969 Written Answers 56 (DR. (SHRIMATI) PHULRENU GUHAl: (c) A close watch is being maintained 6372.• tHRI S. M. SOLANKI: Will the TnIu from Madnu to DeIbI DOt to Minister of STEEL AND HEAVY ENGI- be held ap NEERING be pleased to state: 6370. SHRI K.M. KOUSHIK: Will the 6371. SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK: Will SmalI Scale IacIIIIIriII .. GgJuat the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to ltate. 6373. SHRI S. M. SOLANKI: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (al whether GOvorDlllClllt arc aware that MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- the G. T. Express going from Delhi to PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Madras and Vice Versa is always late. (b) the average time takeo for allotment of scooter UDder the said quotas; aDd 6374. SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA: Will the MiDister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (c) the Dumber of appJicatioDs for MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- allotmeDt of scooters from the said two PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: quotas still pending with respective Depart- meDts aod the loogest period .iDee when (a) the Dumber of applicatioDs for iDdos- applicatioD UDder each quota is pending? trial Iice.nces n:ceived from Omssa duriDg the last three years; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (b) the Dumber of Uce.nces granted; aDd DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. (c) the positiOD of these applicatioDs at AHMED): (a> Yes. The maiD reasoD for presmt with details thereof? disparity is that the criteria adopted fD classifying the applicants aDd the rules THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL followed for makiDg allotments are differeoL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED): (a) 38 applicatiODS for industrial IfceDces were n:ceived from Orissa during the (b) The aveiage waiting time iD case of last 3 years, viz., 1966, 1967 aod 1968. applicaots for scooters from the Defence quota is about 5 years. wbereas it is about (b) 3 liceDces have heeD granted, besides 4 years in the case of appUcaots for aUot- ODe permissioD Jetter aod 3 letters of inleDt. meDt from the quota of the Department of IDdustrJal Development. (c) or the remaiDiDg 31 applicatioDs, 15 have heeD rejected; 4 appJicatiODS are for industries which have heeD exempted aDd (e) No. of applicatioDS for allotmeDt for which aD industrial JiCCDCe is DO looacr of scooters pending iD the MiDistry required to be obtaiDed; aod 12 applicatioDs of DefeDCC.-About 20,000 NOS. are stiD UDder CODSideratioD. The Dames of applicaots aod other details of applicatiODS OD which decisiODS Loqest period siDce wbCD appli- are yet to be taken are Dot Donnally catioDS are pending in Ministry of publicized. DefeDce.-23-12-1963 No of applicatioDS for allotmCDt of scooters pending iD the DepartmeDt of IDdustrial DevelopmeDt.-About 6376. SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: WiD the 42,000 Nos. Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: I..oqest period siDce wheD applica· (a> whether it is a fact that allotment of tiODS pendiog iD the Departmeot of a scooter from DefeDCe quota to DefcoI:c IDdustriaI Developmeot.-31-7-1965 59 r ~ ~r APRIL IS, 1969 Wrlttell An.rwers 60 (c) the steps proposed to be taken to make them equal to other stations? 6377. SHRI RAMANAND SHASTRI: TIlE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased RAM SUBHAG SINGH); (a) Yes. to state: (b) Sucb comparison cannot b. made (a) whether it is a ract that posts or as passenger and aoads facilities are not AssistaDt Inspector of Works filled up In provide8..,n the basis of sectional compari- Grade RI. 2OS-280(As) should be on the son but on the basis o~ traffic requirements basis of 75 per cent from direct recruit at each station. holdiDl diploma in civU eqiDeeriq and s2 per cent by promotions from lower (c) Doel not moe. sradea; Termlaal ... P.....- FIIdIItIes at (b) whetber it is also a fact that propor- ltanl JImCtIon (c..traI ad_y) tion of 7S per cent and 25 per cent is being maintained strictly' in respect of direct 6379. SHRI NITlRAJ SINGH CHAU- recruit and promotee; and DHARY: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (c) if 10, reasons why the above propor- tion is not being maintained in all the (a) tbe position of Itarsi 1unction on the divisions of the Northern Railway? Central RaIlway with regard to tbe number of passengers and tonnage of goods THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. handled there, in comparison to other RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) and (b). similar junctions in the COUDtry; . Under the extent instructions, 25% of \'8CanCics of AssistaDt Inspectors of Work in (b) whether the tenninal and passenger the scale RI. 20S-280 are to be filled by facilities now provided at ltars! are equal promotion of Works Ministries and the to junctions having similar tra1lic; remaining 75% by direct·' recruitment of diploma holders in Civil Eqinecring. In (c) if not, steps proposed to be taken view, however, of the need for economy and to improve them; the need to absorb the surplus stafl', recruitment on Railways is made only wben (d) whether tho Railways have consi- absolutely necessary and is restricted to the dered/are considering the rise in passenger barest minimum. and goods tra1lic as a result of Artillery Proof Firing Range being located ncar (c) Information is beiDl collected and ltarsi; and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. (e) if so, what otber terminal and passenger facilities are proposed to be p....-and Goods Fadlities 011 ~ provided at ltarsi? 011 ltanl-J..... SeetIon (CadraJ RaIhra7) THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) From the 6378. SHRI NITlRAJ SINGH CHAU- point of view of passenger and lOOt'S DHARY: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS traffic originating and terminating at ltarsi, be pleased to state: this junction does not rank very high, as tho average daily number of passengers (a) whether tbe passenger and goods . booked is 2AOO and averaie daily inward facilities provided on stations on ltarsi- goods traffic is 1840 quintals and average 1abaIpur section of tbe Central RaUways daily outward lOods traffic 1610 quintals. are adequate; . From this point of view Ilarsi docs not come up evCD to the level of a junction (b) whether they are equal to, less or like Ibansi. The real importance of !tarsi more than stations on 1hansi-Itarsi section is its being a focal point for movement of of the said RaIlway, and tbJauIh traflic 110m various directions. 61 CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) 62 (b) and (c). In providing tennina! and (a) whO is the competent authority and palllCDlllr facilities at difl"erent statiOllS the which is the rule under which the sanction needs of each individual ltation have to r ~ to in reply to part (c) of the above be taken into accOlDlt and a comparison Question was issued; with other stations is not the criterion adopted. The adequacy of tenninal and (b) whether FR IS of the Indian Rail- passenger facilities at a station is a matler way Establishment Code Volume II, restricts of review from time to time and in case of the power of an authority to reduce the llarsi certain additional facilities namely substantive status of an employee on !raDl- widening of the foot over-bridge and fer. excepting under eircmnstances specifically providing a cover over it, extending the given in that rule; Third Class waiting hall and providing additional urinals in the waiting hall and (e) whether the nid sanction is void on platforms, lengthening the goods shed ab initio in so far as these clerks are con- and extending the co ~ goods platfonn cerned; are already lDlder consideration. (d) whether some of these clerks bad (d) No advice has been received so far been fixed in the grade of U.D.C. with two from the Defence Department in regard to advance inCFelllents in that grade lDlder the Artll1ary Proof Firing Range being orders issued on 28-3-1961 as it was fOlDld located near llarsi. necessary for resularising their appointment; and (e) Does not arise in view of answer to (e) whether the matter would be re- part (d) above. examined de novo and orders issued to rqularise their absorption in the Board's ~ ~ if p qlqr lJ.f1f ofBce? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 6380. '" ~ ..mr: am ~ (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) A ~ III orm- 'I>'T iIi"T 1R1I" fiI; : copy of the relevant sanction dated 20-4-61 is laid on the Table of the House. (P.1II«d (IF) ftl.1T ~ ~ 11ft ~~ In U1Jrary. SH No. LT-767'69.] This will make the position clear. . ~ OI"IT-f '" ~ mr if ~ IR it 1ft 1ft, .. f'fl!iZ 'I>'T II!f'r ~ WI!" ~ (b) and (c). Rule 2011-R. II (F.R. fi!;m;if 'liT ~ 1FT ~ 1FT fcr;m: ~ ; I S) restricts the power of an authority to transfer a railway servant either substan. m tively or in an ofIiciating capacity to a lower post except under certain specific circwns- (I!r) '* or(l', m ~ ffi ~ t ? lances. Tbese persons had. however, been treated as on deputation from the RaIlways ~ ~ ("-D"(A !P1f ~ (IF) I.R.C.A. to the RaIlway Board and the oft" ~ I ~ 'l1: ~ ~ ~ provisions of that rule were not applicable. r ~ rnm-t r ~ ~ Therefore, the said sanction is not void. .. ~~~ ~ rr~ I (d) Yes Sir. As a result of a review, ho_. the orders dated 28-3-1961 were (I!r) ~ ~ :ao.rr I luperseded by the orders dated 20-4-1961. (e) This does not arise. ct.b Drafted to RaIhntT ...... 0IIlce Frma tile Zaaalltafhrll,. HaD ...... Fue 6381. SHRI KRISHNA KUMAR 6382. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Will CHATIERJI: Will the Minister of RAIL- the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to WAYS be pleased to refer to the reply state: given to Unstarred Question No. 4748 on the 17th December, 1968 and state; (a) whether Government are aware that the passenaer rare behvem stations Is not in 63 Written AlISlNrs APRIL 15, 1969 Wrltt." A_I 64 complcte multiple of 5 paise viz., fare of (b) whether similar is the case from MaiI{Express trains from Kanpur 10 Allahabad to Kanpur viz. no MailJExpres I Allahabad is Rs. 6-37 and tbat of ordinary train betweeD 5.00 hn. and 16.00 hrs. trains RI. 4.97 paise; except Kalka Mail with the above restric- tions; (b) whether Govemme.at are also aware Ihat Railways are incurriq huge loss on this (c) whether Govemrncnt are aware that account because pllSSllDgcrs are not Rturned there is a hDavy traffic between thelle two the fraction of 5 paise by the ticket book- stations and duo to the non-availability of ing clerks and such money goes to their Mail{Bxpress trains during day hours, a pockets; great inconvenience is caused to the public and they have to wait for hours in long (c) whether Government are also aware queues at bus stands; and ihat it results in corruption and also bad wrbal altercations between the booking clerks (d) if so, whether Gowrnment propose and passengers; and to start at least two new Mai1{Expreas trains during day hours or adjust the timings of (d) whether in view of the above fact, other trains in such a way that trains het_ Govemme.at would adjust the faR to the these two stations are available after every nearest multiple of 5 paise, thus causing no 3 hours? loss to passengers and al the same time increase railway revenue and removing the THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS possibilities of bad verbal altercations be- (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): ca) Yes. tween the passengers and Railway sta1I'I (b) Yes. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): Ca) passen- (c) and (d). The existing services on pr fares are at present rounded off to 5 the Kanpur-Allahabad section are considered raise. In the specific case cited, a pilgrim adequate for the present quantum and paltern tax of 12 paise is added to the rounded off of traffic and introduction of additional passeIISH fare. It is the addition of the trains between Kanpur and Allahabad is not pilgrim tax that results' in a total charge justified. Major adjustments in the timings which is not rounded off to 5 paise. or long distance trains I"IIIIIliq over the. section ate also not feasible, having regard (b) No. Instructions exist that the due to the variety of factors, •.,., convenience change must be returned to passengers. of through passengers, availability of plat- forms at terminals. availability or path, etc" (c) No complaints of this nature have on which these timiqs have been framed. come to notice. CeatnI SdIImeI lor the 0IaItnII:tIcIII of (d) The question that where pilsrim tax no- for SdIedaIed CulalIIIId is levied, it should be fixed in mUltiples of ScIIedaIed TrIIIei fa Ga)uat 5 paise will be examined. 6314. SHRI R.K. AMIN: SHRI n.R. PARMAR: Will the Minister of LAW AND 6383. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Will SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state: the Minister or RAILWAYS he pleased to state: (al the funds allotted to and utilised by the State of Gujarat under the Central Schemes . ca) whether it is a fact that theR is Maill for the construction of houses for Scheduled Express train from Kanpur to Allahabad Castes and Scheduled Tribes during the last stations het_ 6-15 hn. and 17-15 hrs. three years; except Kalka Mail. in' which theR is a restriction on the issue or tickets of minimum (b) whether P.W.R. scheme No. 219 480 Kms. for third class passengers and 320 under which lrant-in-aid and loans free of Kms. for second class passenlOrs; intorest _ being disbursed to the Sche - 65 Writtell Aruwers CHAITRA 15,1891 (SAKA) Wrlttell Aruwers 66 duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes is in ('if) m ~ m ~ 1968 ~ existeac:e; ~ fif;tr;iT ~ ~ 111: ~ ~ lff-;ft ; (e) if 10, the details thereof; and ~ Cd) if not, whether Government propose ('I") lITf.inif i!iT ~ cmrl ~ to introduce another scheme under which Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes will i!iT P.Wr if m ~~ ~ ~r ifi1 ~ be beDefited and financially helped in con- r r ~ ~~r structing their houses? ~ r~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE ~ ~ ~o ~ !1''' fir() : DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WEL- (iii) r r ~ ~ ~~ if 56 FARE (DR. (SHRIMATI) PHUL- ~ o ~ ~ 52 ~ ~ RENU GUHA): cal The funds allotted are:- ~ ~ li;;r ~ ~ qnft I (Rs. in lakhs) ('if) r~ ~~~ 1966-67 16.65 224 m- ol'F ~ 111: ~ ITtcfi 11.05 1967-68 ~ ~ ~~ 1968-69 28.55 ~ if<;r f.:r;rr I According to the infonnation availahle with us the following expenditure were ('I") ~ ~ ~ ~ r incurred :- ~ ~ ~ IIiT ~ IIirn!J m lift ;;f;;fR (Rs. in lakbs) ~ 11ft ~ ~ .m: ~~ 1966-67 9.27 ffi"U II>'\" .rrtt t ~~ m<'it ~ 1967-68 11.12 I!f1II" 111: ~o if WUift" ~ omit 1968-69 28.55 t I ~ ~ ~ 'Ift;m.-;r if ~ ...r.t ~ (b) to (dt The required details ba\"O f.rI:!: ~ ~ r snwr f.t;1rr ;;rr ~ t I been called for from the State Government and will be laid on the Table of the Sabba when received. 6386. sft ~ m ;ihft : ~ ~ ~ ~ sft ~ 1tA I 6385, sft .. SI"1Jm ~ : sft ,.. 1!." '"" : ~ r sft tm'I" ~ ~ : ~~~ sft ~ fir( : rr~~~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~ ro~ ~ ~ r ('F) l!lIT ~ i!iT ~ ~ ~ 'reT fiI;: f.f; f;;r;r ~ i!iT ~ ~ 6-40 ~ 0 t ('F) !flIT ~~ Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be ('Ii) lfl1T ~ ~ ~ ~ pleased to state: it;"mif ~ ~ ~ (a) whether it is a fact that some cultiv- ifim' 'liT ~ srfu ~ (bl if so, the progress made so far; and ~ • ftsfm tI1IT ~ c ~ (c) if not the reasons therefor? ,iii\f.. qf THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 6391. sit ~ ~~ W DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE ~ (NT 1mi ,iii\f.,qf('j ~ ~ ornf.t AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED): (a) Inspection of the books of '11" ~ ~ fro : . accounts of Gancsh Flour Mills Limited has been completed. ('fi) rn ~ m.r ~ m '1nrT ~ 'fi) ~ ~ (b) and (cl. In view of the reply at r~ ~ ~ (a) above, these questions do not arise. it gl:!; it; if"iff.t ij'VfT ~~ Frlf'f 'fi) ~ it; ~ crzm: m lj)nr ~ 'fiT 'iiTt 1Ir.r.rr ~ 'f>11J{ t j qh: 6390. 11ft ~ smv tII1'tT : ~ (lif) ~ aT ~ mm w ~~~ t ? If!II ~ ~ ~ ornf.t 'fiT "fIT ~ f.!;: ~c ~~ if mq' ~ (sit P'f 'itiI tr.w) : (iii') ('fi) ;p;rr ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ !!lh: (lif). ;;it ~ I f.!; mm flnwr it; ~~ mro ~ ~ fc.l\;r ~~ m;;ri=\'f ~ ~ IJ1t t ij'VfT ~ q-qorr ifil"If ~ d ifTij' 'R: r r~ ifi<: ~ ~ f'fi ~ it; ~ ~ il'ifTiftI'f f'-f'rnT ifi) ~ gl:!; lit[ q-q-it (lif) ;p;rr mar fcrqfll it; ,*,*UF f\;rQ; ~~ ~ i(iI'P\' mft ~ ~ Mfs. CCICIl* ADm ComPIIDY Ltd., Kaopur q;1j ~ ~ ~ ;r.r W t Rtrn 6393. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH 1mr ~~ f (b) Government have decided to take RaIlway Acddmts over the Cooper Allen and the North West Tannery Units of the British India Corpo- ration Ltd., Kaopur. These units will be 6392. DR. SUSHILA NAYAR: Will owned and managed by the Tannery and the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to Footwear Corporation of India Limited, a state: public sector undertaking. (a) whether it is a fact that Drivers of """" if ItiT'Iir "'" ~ :a'allf Northern Railways ~ submitted some susgeations regarding ~ to lessen 6394. "'" ~ flit ~ : the chances of Railway accideots iD the country; ~~ ~~~ (b) if so, the main recommeodations W ala'Iflflli ~ amR made thereiD; aod mrm, "'" ~ ~ ~ 'I'6'f.r I!it ~ (c) Gove,nment's reaction thereto? lR"'itf.li : ('11) W lI!l: Wi!' ~ fit; II1mlI' ~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (al to (c). Some 1if'lf1if it itr.i!tll' I!it drivers of the Northern Railway had made ~ fit; ~ r ffirftll' ~ if ~ 'UIflI' certaiD su"cstions like provision of facilities it ~ ~ mifz m... ~ fiI;it in ruooing rooms requirement of vacuum on engiDe" provision of road sips and \ifI11 ; m supply of uniforms. etc. Some of the (I..'r) ~ aT ~ ~ if ~ u~ o were already coven:d by the extent policy some were found to be im- it W ~ I!it t ? practicable whilp some others were iD the nature of complaints which were looked IIft1itfilll; mrm, ~ amR iDto. Some compJaiDts· were due to mis- ft'IT ~ ~ ("'" ~ conceptions in regard to which the m Northern Railway was to explaiD the ~ : ('11) !JIm1I' ~ ~ II'Rr ~ correct position to the Drivers c8ncemed. ~ '1'mlI' IIiT r ~ l£RI' ($11 t I 73 Written AfUlller8 CHAITRA 25. 1891 (SAKA) WrlIten AlUWer.• 74 (l!f) ~ r fi ~ ~ ~ 'l'>T cro.rr Office. The Coal Trade and Industry has also been asked to suggest any workable ~ ~ 'l'>T ~ ~ I 'li'TlnI' ;;prli\' if; alternative arrangement to replace the pro- «ffi<: if; f<"'I'mmrr ~ I sent system which will be given due consi- deration by the railways. Supply of Coal Wagons by Eastern Railway 6395. SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: Will Idle Capacity in Cable Industry . the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: 6396. SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- (a) whether it is a fact that the Eastern MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- Railway is insisting on requisition by Irading PANY AFFAIRS b: pleased to state: and industrial finns for coal wagons being sponsored by the West Bensal Government, (a) whether it is a fact that the cable despite Ihe fact lhat coal is not a controlled industry has idle caplcity and has requested commodity; Government for orders for telephone cables; (b) if so, the reasons for such insistance; (bJ if so, the reaction of Government and tbereto; and . (c) what steps Government propose to (c) whether Government propose to start lake to cut out rel-tape and simplify pro- a telephone cable factory in the public cedures and supply wagons to industry on sector instead of giving orders to the exist- direct requisition? ing cable industry? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) No, Sir. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE With decontrol of all non-coking coal, in- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. dents for its movement are being accepted AHMED): (aJ to (c). There have been freely by the Railways. In meeting these representations from the Power Cable manu- indents, however, preference is given to the facturers that they have idle capacity wbich demandS sponsored by the Central or State could be diverted for the manufacture of Government authorities or any other noti- Telecommunication cables. A committee fied agency over the other nOli-sponsored has been appointed to assess the capability demands. of the cable manufacturers to undertake the - manufacture of this item and submit detailed (b) Does not arise as there is no insis- recommendations. Final decision will be tence on sponsoring of any particular taken after receiving the repon of the demand. The system of sponsoring is how- Committee. ever being continued and sponsored demands are given preference to ensure that the essential minimum requirements of genuine Productioo of CfgareUes industries and other conSWDers SO sponsored do not suffer in the midst of l,ighly inflated 6397. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: and speculative demands placed on the Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- railways. LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c J the existing procedure is simpler than the one obtaining prior to de-control of (a) whether Cisarette production and coal. Consumers can now approach the consumption in the country has increased Joint Director, Transportation (Coal), Cal- tremendously; and cutta direct, who accepts pro..... mmes for movement under higher priorities on the (b) if so, whether Government have basis of recommendations received by him ebalked out any scheme to produce cigarettes directly from the various sponsoring autho- in the public sector due to the reason that rities, without the necessity of gctting the it is mostly controlled by the forelp in- sanctiOllS first from the Coal Controller's terests? 75 APRIL 15. 1969 Wrltt." AlfSWtlrs 76 THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (d) and (e). In a developing country the DEVELOPMENT. INTERNAL TRADE number of industrial estates set up may AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. become insufficient as compared to the AHMED): (a) the following statement indi- rising demand. At the present stage in cates the production of cigarettes in the India. however, the programme requires country during the last three years;- consolidations rather than expansion. This essential factor has been brought to the 1966 1967 1968 nntice nf the State Governments who have (in million pieces) been further advised to co,duct growth potentia! surveys before any estate is set up. 58,626 53,777 60,432 The indigenous consumption of cigarettes Capital Outlay on SmaD Sea1e IDdllllrles is approximately the same as its production. ID West Beaga1 (b) Government have DO proposal to 6399. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will establish the production of cigarettes in the the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- public sector. MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- PANY AFFAIRS be pleased tn state: IDdatrIaI EItates ID PubUc SedoI" ill (a) whether the outlay on small scalo FoarIII PIaa industries in the Fourth Five Year Plan for West Bengal has been reduced from Rs. 6398. SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: 15.76 crores to Rs. 3.34 crores; and Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND (b) if so, the reasons therefor? COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (a) whether is a fact that Government DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE have decided not to set up any Industrial AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. Estate during the Fourth Plan period in the AHMED,: (a) As the Fourth Five Year public sector; Plan bas not yet been finalised, the exact quantum of outlay for West Bengal is not (b) if so. the reasons therefor; known. (c) the number of Industrial Estates set (b) Does not arise. up EO far and the amount spent on the construction of these Estates; Supply of Waguas to Colllery-Owaen (d) whether the Industrial Estates deve- 6400. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will loped are sufficient to meet the requirements; the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to and state: (e) if not. the reasons for not setting up (a) whether colliery-owners have com- more Industrial Estates? plained that they are not getting as many wagons as they require to move out supplies THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL from the collieries; and DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. (b) if so, the exact position of wagon AHMED): (a) No. Sir. supply to collieries? (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Yes.. Some (c) 493 Industrial Estates have been complaints have been received from timo to 'sponsored 80 far. out of which 311 were time. completed upto 31st March, 1968, and the amount spent on them (including those under (b) In 1968-69 daily averaae coa1loading coastruction) is about Rs. 42 crores. from all fields was about 7,932 wagons 77 Writ/en Answers CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Writ/en Answers 78 against 7638 wagons in the previous year (b) and (c). The press report refers to i. e. about 294 wagans per day more. "KOLI tribe upland fisher folk", who are Correspondingly 2.352 million tonnes addi- traditionally water and Palanquin carriers. tional coal was lifted by the Railways in The Community referred to has not been 1968-69 over that in 1967-68. recognised either as a Scheduled Tribe or a Scheduled Caste. These figures indicate substantial increase in wagon availability for coal loading in (d) and (e). The practice of untouchabi- 1968-69 as compared with the previous year. lity has almost died out in the urban areas, Loading performance from all friends in though sporadic cases still oecur in the the months of September and October, 1968 rural areas. The problem has been tackled was the bighest ever achieved in any month by means of legislative measures, propaganda in the past and even this performance-was and welfare programmes for the social, further improved upon in January and educational and economic uplift of the February, 1969. Scheduled Castes. These measures are being expanded under the Fourth Plan. As wagon availability now is substanti- aUy more tban tbat in the past, complaint. Appeadix m-A Eumlnation about lack of wagons are not justified. 6402. SHRI TENNETI VISWANATHAM: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased Casteism in Mabarashtra Village to state: 6401. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will (a) whether it is a fact that Appendix the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL m-A Examination prescribed for Accounts WELFARE be pleased to state: Department was _held in the month of November, 1968; (c) if so, the details about tbe Koli (d) whether there was a demand for tribe; similar action from other centres and if so, action taken thereon ? Dation. While the staff who disrupted the Penonnel Welfare Iospectors examination are being suitably dealt with, it was decided to hold a re-examination at 6404. SHRI MOHAN SWARUP: Will the Delhi Centre alone since the innocent the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to majority of the candidates at this centre were state: denied a fair chance to complete the examination. (a) whether it is a fact that Personnel/ (d) Yes. The circumstances that Welfare Inspectors grades Rs. 150-22S and necessitated the re-examination in "Advanced 200-300 (revised to Rs. 210·320 and 250-380) Commercial Book-keeping" on 10-2-1969 were initially selection grades; were peculiar to the Delhi Centre and did not exist at other centres and there was, (b) whether it is also a fact that the grade therefore, no need for a re-examination at Rs. 200-300 (revised to Rs. 250-300) was other centres. declared as non-selection grade later on and the third and the last grade Rs. 260-380 C_1Jined Senior\ty List of A.s. Ms of Delbi (revised Rs. 335-415) which was a non-selec- tion grade declared as selection grade in and Ferozepur DIvisions was 1959/60; 6403. SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD: WUI the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased (e) if so, whether some Personnel/WeI. to state : fare Inspectors are deprived oC the seniority after passing two grades; and (a) whether it is a fact that the General Manager, Northern Railway, New Delhi has (d) the reasons assilDed thereto ? fai1ed to finalize the combined seniority list of ASMs Delbi and Ferozepur Divisions for THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. the last 10 years; if so, the reasons therefor; RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) and (b). Gene- ral orders were issued on 21-11-53 that all (b) Wbether the final seniority list circu- non-ga:zetted posts in grades of RI. 200-300 lated in April, 1968 is still wrons; if so, the (PS) and above should be treated as selection names of the staff responsible for the wrong posts. Certain specific categories which assignment of seniority; involved supervision and a degree of personal . responsibility in grade RI. 150-15S(ps) were (c) whether the list is in violation of the also to be included in the list of selection Recruitins Authority, G. M. N. W. Rly, posts with the prior approval of the Railway Lahore letter No. 847-E/48 dt. 27-11-43 and Board. Subsequently, the Posts of Welfare G. M. Delhi letter No. ~ (EIB) Inspectors in various grades were reclassified dt. 14-6-65; as under with effect from 1-4-57 : (d) whether the said list was circulated (i) Assistant Welfare many a time; if so, the year and date of each Inspectors -Selection. issue and action taken on the representation (Rs. 210-320(AS) in detail; (e) whether it is a fact that confirmation (ii) Welfare Inspectors -Non-selection. (Rs. 2SQ-380(AS) is held up due to non-finalization of the list since 1954; and (iii) Welfare Inspectors -8clection. (f) the action taken against the st8ft' (Rs. ~ responsible for not preparilll the list correctly, which resulted monetary loss to the sufferers ? A simiJar' classification was adopted for posts of Personnel Inspectors in different THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. scales of pay with effect from 1·1·1958. The RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) to (f). Infor- cadre of Personnel Inspectors and Welfare mation is being col1ected and wil1 be laid on Inspectors is combined on some Railways the Table of the Sabha. and separate on otbers. 81 Written A_rs CHAlTRA 25. 1891 (SAKA) Written A_rs 82 (c) and (d). No one loses his seniority A. T./S.B. Designed Coacbes in the grade In which he is working; only the basis of promotion to the next higher grade 6406. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will may change from selection to non-sclcction or the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to vice-versa. state: (a) wbcther it is a fact that there is an Disbursemmt of Grant to Harijans by acute shortage of AT/SB desi8lled coaching DelhI Administration vehicles on the Eastern and South-Eastem Railways due to a heavy number of such 64OS. SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGON: coaches being kept under repair in tbe work- Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL shops for lonl time; WELFARE be pleased to state : (b) whether such shortage of coaching (a) whether it is a fact that the Delbi vehicles is causing serious inconvenience in Administration has approached the Central train service; and Government for Rs. S lakhs for disbursing housing grants to Harijans; (c) if so, the steps proposed by the Railway Board for early manufacture of more (b) When the grant will be made available coaching vehicles ? to the Delhi Administration; and THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. (c) the criteria for the disbursement of RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) No. cash grant to Harijans ? (b) and (c). Do not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTR Y OF LAW AND IN TIlE DB- PARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE (DR. A.T./S.B. Designed Two-tier Sleeper SHRIMATI PHULRBNU GUHA): (a) -Coaches Yes. Sir. 6407. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will (b) A total provision of RI. 4.008 lakhs the Minister of RAILWAYS be plcascd to has been proposed in the Budget Estimates state : 1969-70 for the State Sector schemes for the Welfare of Backward Classcs fer the Union (a) whether it is a fact tbat In the Territory of Delhi. This includes a sum of Eastern, Northern and South Eastern Rail- Rs. two lakhs towards housing subsidies. ways, there is acute shortage of A.T./S.B. This budget provision can be drawn upon desi8ned 2-tier, 1st Qass and 2nd aass after the budget is passed. Sleepers and Guard's coach (TLR) for which trains are allowed to run without· A. T. (c) According to the procedure adopted designed TLRs endangering public safety; by the Delbi Administration, the principles and for selection of beneficiaries are : (b) if the answer to part (a) above be In (i) should be a member of a Sch. Caste. the aflirmative, tho steps proposed by tile Railway Board to provide Eastern, Nortbehi (ii) should be engaged in unclean occu- and South Eastern Railways with sufficient Pations like sweeping, scavenging, number of A. T. dcsi8lled TLRs, 2-tier, etc. GSCF and 1st Class coaches ? (iii) should reside in tbe rura1 areas of the TIlE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. Union Territory of Delhi. RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) By and large there is no shortage of anti-telescopic/ steel- (iv) should possess at least 60 Sq. Yard•• bodlcd coaches of these types for Mail/ of land. F.xpressfFast passenger trains. Tbcrc is, however, some shortage of anti-telescopic/ (v) should not be owninl a pucca house. steel-bodied TLRs for branch line passenacr 83 Written Answers APRIL U, 1969 84 trail'ls on the Northern and Eastern Railways, (g:) djijl'uf"lifi mcn 1m ~ but tbis is, bowever, not allowed to dec! fr.;if ~ ~ ~ safety or passengers by suitable manballinll. it; '!iT 'iI'I"U (t1IT ~ 1ft ~ I (b) Docs not arise. ~ ftti\' ~ 'P lIlT fm' ~ if ~ Q if m m mnon "'" """'" ~ 6408. '" ~ '"'" : W ~ ~ ~ ~ iI1t tm" ~~ Ai : 6409 • .n .mmmr '"'" : W ~ ~ ~ ;n=rf.t '!iT tm" rn fit; : ~ ~ ~~~ ~ ~ ij"f ~ am: ~~ ifIIT e: Ai ~ ir<'I" it om e: fit> fuit ~ m.ft ~ ~ ~ iti f<;rit ~ Q!f.r ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ '!iT ~ 1fttT '!iT;;rr mr SI'{1I" ~ iti fr.;ff it ~ am: ~ it ~~~ ~ e:; (1lI") om ~ ij"f e: Ai SI'{1I" ~ iti ' ( 1lI") W ~ ij"f e: Ai ~ 1IiT<'ir.ft fr.;if it ;fr.t ifTm ~ iti am:-m: \'Iifi"it it ~ ~ i!I1IT aplf ~ it ~ ~ ~ ;mvr ~ ~ ;rm 'lU ~ ~ ;ffi;;j; ~ iti it ~ ~ ~ e:; f.Tlnvr it; f<;rit 1j'RI" ~ l!iT «'ITZ ~ l!iT 1ft am;mr-r ~ t; (If) lift ~ al ~ em: it ~ l!iT ('If) fr.;if it iImlI"ifi" ~ m lIT W fifuh:T m l!iT flf;m: e:; ~~ iti em: ,it ~ 'In" ~ ('f) ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ l!iT fcr;m: e: am: ~ ~ it f.Rr;rr ~ ~ am: r ~~ ~ !Itt:a ltiVIT • t; am: (g:) l!lIT ~ fr.;ff it ~ ~ ~ (go) lift ~ al ~ i1ITu w ? am: ~ ~ f<;rit ;;rRt t ? e: ~ ~ ( WTo ~ tl1't ~ ) : ~ ~ (WTO ~ tl1't ~ ) : (ifi") ~ ~ ij"f ~ e: Ai ;rlft ~ ~ ~ iJifi" ~ m; i!Rt it m (Ill") ;;it ~ I r~~ r ~ am:m ~~~ (If) ~ (g:) r P ~ ~ I (Ill") am: (If).;;fl' ~ I ~~ ~ ~ P 1Iliffifi" ~ it; ij'j'1f-ij'j'1f .no iti..... arro+t" ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ W ~ wfil ~~ _aTit '!iT ~ m fit;: (ifi") W ~ ij"f t Ai ~ fuit ~ ~ ~ it; f<;rit ..-it "IfIfiI" it; 8S Written Answers CHAlTRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 f.I1rfur lII't ~ ~ ~ it; f.r;n'u- ~ .m ( ..-to ~ ~ fq ) : Ift;r t; ('Ii) ~~ (1if) ;pff ~ m it ~ f.ruilr ~ (1if) ~ (..-) nr.r ifi!'T ~ I q'lIT "'lIT t; Licences for S_II Steel Roiling Mills (If) ~~ aT \W r ~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY 6411. ~~ : ;pff ~ ENGlNBERING (SHRI K. C. PANT) : ~~~~~r (a) None, Sir.. There is a ban on the IicensinS of steel rollins mills under the Industries (Development and Regulation) Act, ('Ii) IIlIT ~ ~ ~ rr ~o 19S1. Besides, small steel rollins mills do ~o ~ ~~~ ~ not require a licence under tbis Act. ~ ) it ~ r r r it; "fdf.,fq4'l'IiT (b) Presumably, the reference is to the m ~ ~ mit; mit supply of billets for steel rollins and castinss - ~~ for major consumers. The main producers bave been asked to increase the production of ('lr) ~~ aT armnr;iT if>T ~ billets to the maximum extent. Tho export of billets is not beins allowed except in ifllT t; exceptional cases and for commitments pre- viously entered into. Arransements hove been ( If) ~ 'lU m it; flfit.. ;pff made for the supply of 100,000 tonnes ingots from Durgapur Steel Plant to Tata Iron and ~~~ Steel Company Limited to be rolled into billets. With regard to the supply of castinss ("1');pff m ~ ~ ~ to major industries, there bas been no com- ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ plaint of inadequacy. On the other band, fuiI" 'liT 'I1f the castinss industry hod been seriously affec- ~ ~ ~ ij ~ fllilIT;;nit ted last year due to lack of sufficient orders it; m it liT 'IT; from consumers. The position has now improved and the production has picked up. (&) ~ ~ at ~ 'Iior f.t;lrr ~~~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~ (..-) ~~ at ~ ifllT ro ~ ~~~~~r 87 Written An.wer. APRIL 15. 1969 Written A,/Swers 88 o ~ ~ ~ ~ ( ... ) 'Irof ~ ~ ~ I ~ ~ "iii ~ (tr) ;;IT. ~ I r~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ m- ~ 0!Ilu ~ iAt r~ ~ ;r.ft ~ ~ r ~ am: ~ SNlCff ~ ~ r ~d ~ r ~~~ . (if) ~~ m it ~ w srfu- r~ (I) ~~ m ~ ~ lIlT f.mrroJr IIiVn ; ~ "'" ( WTo '{11f ~ ~ ) : ( 2) ~ 'Ii'r mn;ff it f.r!;rdT ifiVfT ~ ~ ~ ( 'fi) lfilf rom ift\' f;;rW r ~~~~ ~ fit; ~ ~ lIlT lfilf iifT!fiI' fir.rr ~ I r ~ ~ o~ ~ arR (if). ~ ~ ~ (3) ~~ ~ \iIM ~ d'I1 tAA iii qy;ft 'fiT ~~ ifiVfT ;aT 22 ~ ott ~ '11: ~ I 6414 . ..n fio "'0 «en\' : W smi\- fiI1J m;m, am.m; anm ~ ~ awm: '11: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ;ft ii'fT ,m fit; : ..". ;rt ~ ~ fimrifi ~ rnr \ift;f 'fiT ;;no ~ ~ I ~ aft;f ~ f"" ~ ('fi)W ~ ammr ~ r ~ cr ilif<;rt.( ~~ iii ~ ~ uf1rfu;r ~ 1969-70 it ~ r tAAiIi qy;ft 'fiT ~ m ~ ~ m) ;ft SI1Iffr iii fofir ~~~~ r r u~~ ~~ ~ ~ 'Uflir ~ iii ~ ~ ~ ~ tAAiIi qy;ft iii f<;rt.( ~ r iii ~ '11: f.nh: (... ) ~~ at 'TrflIiT0!Ilu w t; ~~ (if) IRI' m fiffiT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ iii ~ ~ wN mt qy;ft 1fiT, ;aT ~ ;Rt iii qy;ft ~ ~ iRdT t. ~ ~ lIT ~ ifi(l' am: 6416. "" OIlti>I(\OU" ~ : ~~ ~~ r "" ",'I' ~ ~ : ~ t; am: ~~~ r r ;ft ~ f.!;: (11') ~ ~ at ~ 0!Ilu om t ? (111) o P ~~~ ~ m;m, am.m; anm ft'n iii ~ ~~ iii fofir ~ trif ~ ~ ~ ~ .. "l'ft ar('R): ~ r~ ~~~ ( 'fi) ;;ft, ;rt\' I ~~ 89 Written Answers CHAlTRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 90 (qr) ~~ o ~~ ~ (h) what was the exact nature of the recommendations made by Justice Shri afR ~ ~ 'In" ~ 'In" f.rom: t; Tarkunde and Justice Shri Bal in this case; (tT) ~~ mm om i!iRUI' ~ ? (c) whether the recommendations have ('EI') o ~ ~ ~~ been implemented; and 1ffi1II' ~ ~ it tr.it "I't Wr (d) if not, reasons therefor ? ~ ~~ m om w ~ THE MINISTBR OF RAILWAYS (DR. ~ 'In" f.r;m: II1\"t ~ m 'In" RAM SUBHAG SINGH) (a) and (h). With reference to petition filed by three employees t; afR of the Electric workshop, Matunga, their Lordships Tarakunde and Ball Ji of the ('I') ~ m,," om ~ High Court of Judicature, Bombay passed the following order on 27. 4. 67 ;- ~ ~ ( ~o ~ P' fiI1 ) : (iIj) ~ ~ it; 9 ~ "On Shri Y. B. Rege for the Respondents afR iIT'if agreeing to convey to the Respondents a ~ ~ ~ if ;r.A orr.r recommendation from the Court that the artfuiI; ffi;r ~ ~~ ~ if arfi;r!; petitionen in the circumstances of this ease, may be reinstated in service by treating the ~~~ ~ ~ ~ period between their dismissal and reinsta- ~~ r~ ~~~~ tement as a period of leave without pay but with such subsistence allowance as the ~~ I Respondents in their absolute discretion may wish to pay the Petitioners, Shri Praclhan (qr) ~ ~ for the Petitioners asked for leave to withdraw the petitions. The Petitions were allowed to ~~~ ~ be withdrawn. No order as to costs." (c) and (d). As per orders of the Court_ ~~ ('EI') the recommendations made by them were carefully considered by the competent raiiway ~ ~c r ~ ~ I authority who came to the conclusion that the Petitioners cannot be reinstated in service, ~~~ ~ as they had been found to have been guUty of serious misconducl. On their representation a reply was also sent to them that the Court', Re-Iostatemeut of Workmen In Eleetrfe Re- recommendation could not be IIl:cepted. pairing SlIop of Central Rallny 6417. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: WiU the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state; 6419 • .n ~ .-0 ~ 'IlfT ~ fiI1J fimw, ~ Iq1qR ft'I1 ~ (a) whether the Bombay Hiah Court ~~ ~ r had recommended the reinstatement of the workmen from the Electric Repairing Shop ('Ii) ~ 1968-69 if ~ ~ of the Central Railway at Matunga in m Bombay whose services had been terminated ~~~ in April, 1965 on account of the dispute ~ ~ ~ regarding punching of the attendance (qr} am1rifm if cards; mA :;ml ~ if <'nit iJl:t it; afR 91 Writtell Aruwll,. APRIL IS. 1969 Writ tell Aruwers 92 ~ ~ am'll" it ~ lIiTlf it; ft=I1!; (iii") w.r-w.r ~ 'R Q'RI' ~ mr.rr '!I'PIT ~ fililIT tflU ? ~ ~ ~ it ~ ~ ~ ~ 8!\'I'm ~ ~ ~ ~ rot ~ ? ~ fWm, arnrmr amR ~ ~~ .m (.n ~ at\'ft ~ (WTo ~ !"'" fq) : (111) ~ ~ ~ ~ : (111) ~ ~ • ~ ~ 1965-68 ;r.'t it it o o ~~ mtl" ~ ;r.'t ;;rr 'W t am: ~ ro~ ~ ~ ~ o ~ 'R ~ rr I q"1;f\" it; ft=I1!; ~ smm;r 3Im"If'Ii srif.'!I' iIiW t. ~ ~ 'tilt m f.Rr ~ ~ lIT ~ omff l!i't ~ fW ;;mrr I 6420 . .n fio "0 ~ : !!lIT ~ ~ am1r it ~ ;mi't am: ~ ;r.'t fW ~ atfitm; amR a'IT ~ ~~~~ ~~ IIi1Ii .m ~ ornr.t ;r.'t ii'l'T rn fll1 : ~~~ro ~ ~ mf 'I'6lI' ~ ~ ~ qfuro it flrort. (111) W 'I'6lI' ~ it lfIf m ~ ~ ~ ;r.'t ~ ~ foro: ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~~ am: ~ fWm, amm. amR \'I'I'T 6422 . .n fio '1(0 ~ W ~ ~~ (.n ~ at\'ft q- ~ ~ ~ ;tt ii'l'T rn fir; : 1R) : (111) am: ('if) . ~ ~ (111) ~~ ~ ;r.'t ;;rr 'W t am: ~ If'IT ~ ~ ~ ~ 'R ~ mr ;;rritm I ('II') ~ ~ mr.r 'R ~ (111) 'I'6lI' ~ it w.r fl!1il" ~ ~ ~ ~ iI'nlfT tflU 'IT; 'R lf1i 1965 am: 1968 it; ifI;f !fti\" ~ o:n;:fl- ~~ ~~r it; ~ ~ ~ lIiT f.r;m: ~ ~ ~ ~~ro ~ am: it ~ l!iT ciRf ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f.\"1Ovr flR-w.r m 'R ~~ am: rn II1T t; am: 93 Written Answers CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Written AlUwers 94 ( '1') w;ffi: if ~ iIft '!lIT smr- f.I;Irr t ? ~ ~ (Wlo ~ pr fill): ~~ (Wlo ~ pr fill): (If') ~ ~ ~ ifiT amJ'If II1'Ii m ;;ft ~ I ~~~~~~ ~~ (t r ~~ ('I') ~~ r r~~ ~ ~ mit it; ~ ~ ('I') ~ I "" ~ ~ if ~ om: ~ r ~ rr ~ arrcrf\Tl!; firt'mvr f.!;lu ;;rnrr t am: ;;r;r tl ~ ~ ;;rnrr t ~ ~ ~ ~ 6424. ~ mm:1IfIIT ~ ~~ ifiT f.mur 1887 if flf'ln' q'IIT lIlT I *iT ~ iRIf.t iIft Ii'IT m f.f; : ~ if 1940 if ~ ~ f.!;lu q'IIT I (If') '!lIT ~ ~ t f.f; 'ff mrr ~ (&) (;;r). ;;flo ~ I ~ am: ~ r ~ t"I" ~ ~ ~~~~~~ ott ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 'ff tllifl"4dl1l om!" ~ ~ ~ 8T'i'3t t am: m 11ft ~~ ~ ~~ ~~ I ~ 'I"'" ifiT i\iff am: ~ if ~ ~ ~ omrr t; ~ ~~~ ~ ~ r rr I (t 6423. '" ~ mm: '!lIT ~ ('I') '!lIT ~ ~ ~ ij"iflf ~ *iT ~ iRIf.t ott ~ m f.f; : 'f<'rit ~ ~ 'fi) 1ft ~ ~ t; ~ ~ ~ t f.f; ~ m ( " ) lffe: ~ (v) ;;ft, ~ I ~ ~ (WTo ~~~ : ('I\') ~ ~ r ~ i!iT ~ 'iroOr ~ ;;n;rr, m i!>'t ~ m;rr ~ (V) mq;r if f.,...,f<'lf 6425. ,,) ~ mm : m ~ (i) 15-12-67 'liT dIm1Ai at'i- ~~ r rnfil;: ~~ o ~~ ~ ('I\') m ~ ~ t f.I; amr.r ~ f.Rrorr ~ am: tmi'i dlitlf...... lil lfi'1t:;rrU", ~ ~ iii lIT ~ lIT 0\Ni dI'Ift'- ~ ~~~ o~o ~~ ~ 'ffl'iIT iti't m ~ ;J ~ ;J ~ 2 lilt srtir.l; ~ iii f.;rt( ~ 1969 ~ ~ 'IT; iti't fW ar.rtT ar.rtT ~ f.:mfur ~ it; ~ lR f.I;qr (V) ~ ~ m~ iII'\'u m t; ;;n;rr ~ am: lIT em i!>'t am1r iii '!fuR: ~ ~ if ~~ tfiI; ~ ~ ;;n;it ~ I m 'Ii'T f.:rui"rf f.I;qr t; am: ~ ili ~ lR (tr) ~ ~ m ~ m -rnvr P ~ ~ 'IiJ1f ~ qrir t? ~~ ~ I Sl l 1 :i -i ~ E -i 1 If'~ ~ 1- i-~1 ~ ~ ~ t· 'S -i ~_ I;; t .. ,- ~~ ~ ~ ~ : 1'- t·- .. ~ If: ~ ~ ~i ~i ~~ -i ~~ ~! ~.; ~ ~~ I;: ; ~i ~ ~i ~ l i 1 If: ! t ~~ j ~1 ~ ~1 i ~$ ~ii i ·Eh ~Eo... ~{ " L H:Il, , ~ u :1&tIP ~1 ~<1f: i ~~ i ~ i' ~ i' ~~ ;, ~ ~.If: ; r: _ If: l' 'i ~ ~I ~ If: t: ~- i £. -wi~ f,!<1f:~~ I ~ ~r ~~ ~ ~I i ~~ !'H~ r! ;Ihni ~ 'll I; ~~ !.;; == :.:.. 'IF ~ ~ 'i 1; ~ - . ~ J!!~ It: .- • ~W' ~~~ !;; f ~~ ~ !.!, 99 Written Answers APRIL IS, 1969 Writ/en Answers 100 ~ am: ~ 11RT, ~ am: ~ (b) if so, the nature of discussion held with him; and 11RT (t<:r 'l'tr, ~ In the Secretariat, there is no separate (d) yeS, Sir. cadre for Typists. There could, therefore, be DO proper comparison between the Clerks A·... iIability of funds would depend upon on the Railways and in the Secretariat. the resource position. Report of Committee on OIIldren Welfare Improvement of Conditions of ExIsting OdId Welfare Ceatres/lnstIl1Itlons 6429. SHRI D. C. SHARMA: SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN : 6430. SHRI D. C. SHARMA : SHRI RANJIT SINGH: SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN : SHRI BENI SHANKER SHARMA: SHRI RANJIT SINGH: SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : SHRI BENI SHANKER SHARMA : SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state: (a) whether the report of the Committee for the preparation of a programme for (a) whether the members of the Com- Children Welfare has since been considered mittee on Children Welfare visited any child by Government; welfare centre run locally either by the voluntary organisations or by the Delbi (b) if so, the action taken to implement Administration (e. g. Children Home in the its recommendations; Mapzine Road) B1id seen the State of alrain in those institutions; and (c) whether the report of the Committee has been circulated to aU the States and (b) whether there are any proposals to voluntary organisations for their comments improve the workina of tbe existing centres/ and for promotion of new horizons in the institutions before the new projects are taken field; and ,up? (d) whether it is a fact that the imple- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mentation of the various recommendations MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE will involve huge sums and if so, whether DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE sufficient funds will be made available for (DR. SHRIMATI PHULRENU GUHA) : their implementation ? (a) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE (b) Does not arise. DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE (DR. SHRIMATJ PHULRENU GUHA) : (a) ChaiI1lWl of Companies with Foreign Yes, Sir. Collaboration (b) The report of the Committee has 6431. SHRI DEVEN SEN: Will the been examined and referred to the State Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVEWPMENT, Governments/Union Territory Administrations INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY and the concerned Ministries of the Govern- AFFAIRS be pleased to refer to the reply ment of India for their consideration and given to Starred Question No. 245 on the views on the reco mmendations made therein. 3rd March, 1969 and state : (c) The report of the Committee has been (a) the number of Indian Companies circulated to all the State Governments/Union with their names, having foreign majority Territory Administrations. The report is capital participation and which have Chair- 103 Wrillen An8WN.r APRIL 15, 1969 WrittmAft8WN.r 104 men or Managing Directors from the group Lic:eaces for new lJreweries of foreign shareholders; and 6432. SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP. MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM. (b) the number of Indian Companies, PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: with their names, having foreign minority capital participation, which have Chairmen (a) the number of licences issued for or Managing Directors from the group of new breweries during the last silt months; foreign share-holders ? and .' (b) the names of States and the names of persons to whom the new licences for THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL breweries were issued? DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE & THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL COMPANY AFFAIRS, (SHRI F. A. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AHMED) : AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED) : (a) and (d). No industrial (a) and (b). The information is being licences have been issued for breweries, but collected and it wiUo be laid on the Table of letters of intent have been issued, as indicated the House. below :- Location (State) 1. MIs. Shaw Wallace and Co., Ltd., New Delhi. Maharashtra 2. MIs. Breweries India (P) Ltd., Peermade (KerBla) Kerala 3. Dr. D. Kumar and Shri M. M. Mahajan, New Delhi. Delhi 4. Shri N. K. Mahapatra, Tulsipur, Cuttack Orissa 5. Shri A. K. Ghosh, Ranchi Bihar 6. Shri M. K. Jajodia, New Delhi Andhra Pradesh 7. Shri Prahladrai Da1mia, Kanpur (U, P.) Rajasthan 8. Haryana State Indutittial Develepment Corporation Ltd., chandigarh. Haryana 9. Punjab State Industrial Development Corporation Ltd., Chandigarh Punjab Loss to Mining and Allied MaclIaery ject, while the private sector projects despite C«poration handicaps have been faring well; and 6433. SHRI D. N. PATODIA: Will the (d) steps taken to cut out the losses and Minister of STEEL AND DBAVY ENGI· make this public sector unit yield profits ? NEERING be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN mE (a) whether it is a fact that the Mining MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY and Allied Machinery Corporation has been ENGINEERING (SHRI K. C. PANT): (a) suffering losses since its inception; to (d). The full capacity of the Plant which went into productinn only as late as 1964-65 (b) whether as compared to the results is yet to be achieved and this is one of the of the public sector project, the private sector main reasons for the loss in its working which projects were able to show better reSults in has occurred. Such type of losses, however, securing better orders both at home and from is to be expected during the initial stages in foreign conntries ; capital.intensive heavy engineering projects of a specialised nature, because.jt takes some (c) if so, steps taken to have a thorough years before batch production of sophisticated assessment of tbe factors that are leading to machinery items can be started. Every effort continuous to the 45 crore public sector pro- is being made to ensure that tbe Plant is lOS Written Answers CHAITRA 2S, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 106 loaded to its fuD capacity and diversification (i) Out of the total number of scooters of production is also under consideration. No availables for sale to the public from the' comparison of results with those achieved in production in any quarter. 80% should be the private-sector is feasible as there is no allocated to the dealers in strict proportion comparable unit in the private sector for the to the number of orders pending with them manufacture of specialised mining and other as on 31. 12. 1968. allied equipment with the same problems like heavy capitalisation etc. which are faced (ii) The remaining 20% may be alIa- by the Mining and Allied Machinery catted to the dealers at the discretion of the Corporation. manufacturers to meet unexpected demands and to correct any imbaIances that may arise from time to time in different areas on DistributiOD of Scooters account of uneven rate of fresh bookings after 31. 12. 1968. 6434. SHRI D. N. PATODIA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- ~~ ~ q(f ;n;n MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND mr COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ~~ (a) whether it is a fact that the Consumer ~ ~ Council of India has appealed to the Central 111') f'i" "I;;( ~ : Government to curb malpractices in the sale of scooters and to streamline the distribution ~ ~ of scooters and ensure that persons who have I!'IIT fin" em IIit'If1'II1' 1Pft' registered their names over a long period of ~ ;tt Ii'lT rn f.f; : time should get their due tum instead of being overlooked ; (if;) ~ ~~ fit; iRf ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ r ~ it: (b) if so, whether it is also a fact that more than one lakh units of scooters are ~~~ ~~ now lying stocked and their distribution has ~ ~ ~ ~ been held up. I!1t attfifT it ron- ~ am: (c) if so, the steps proposed to be taken with regard to (a) adove and to streamline the ~ ~~ ~ w ~ procedure for allotment ? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 'liT ~ 'liT fif;m: ~ ? THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A, ~ ~~ ~ AHMED: (a) A communication has been if ~ 111') (!. 'ftW ~ : (if;) ;;it received from the Consumer Council of India suggesting the setting up of an effective ;rtll machinery to streamline the distn'bution of (iii") Q:iJ ~ ~ 1tf m;- scooters in the country. m; ~ 'liT '«IT ;;it attfifT ~ ~ it (b) No, Sir, f.mfur f.I;Q; ~ it, ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ rr (c) The suggestion of the Consumer Council of India has been considered and ~ ~ I ~ ;;n;rm:r am \mIili ;r@ ~ I in order to secure distribution of scooters ~ ~ through the various dealers in the country ( ) fi:r;ri;;pr ammr, w fi:r;ri;;pr on more equitable and uniform hasis, the f.rt\T it ~ ~ ~~ manufacturers have been instructed to distri- q<: ~ ~ fif;m: ~ ~ ~ '3'f bute the scooters to their dealers on the it following basis :- ~ ~ ~ ~~~ 107 Writt", AIISlWlrs APRIL 15, 1969 Writttm Answers 108 ~ r ~~ ~ iR lAmell Hoar for Railway Commercial Clerks ~ ~ ~ 6437. SHRI SURAl BHAN: Will the ~ ~ t ~ if ~~ f.:t;ri;;r;r Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: linT if ~ ~ ~ linT if t f.m- (a> whether there is no provision for ffi t ~ ~ ~ q.,ff if.T lunch-hour for Commercial Clerks during their Nl:IT;;n;rr I 8 hours duty; 10) if so, whether such a practice does affect the efficiency of Commercial Clerks; Service TermiaatiOD Orders OD RaIlways and 6436. SHRI SURAl BHAN: Will the (c) if the reply to parts (a) and (b) above Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: be in the affirmative. whether Government would consider the desirability of granting (a) whether rule 5 (2) of the Railway half-an-hour lunch to the Commercial Servants Discipline and Appeal Rules and Clerks? 1706 (R. I.) provide, without discrimination between temporary and permanent. that a THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. Railway servant shall be deemed to have been RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) There is no placed under suspension by an order of the provision in the Hours of Employment competent authority with effect from the date Regulations for aUowing lunch-break to any of his detention if he is detained in custody Railway Servant. for a period exceeding forty-eight hours; (b) No. (b) whether many temporary employees arrested on the 18th and 19th September. 1968 (e) Does not arise. and detained in custody for more than 48 hours have been removed from service against ~~~~ ~ the provision of the above Rules and others were placed only under sUspension; and ~~ (c) whether Government would consider 6438. "') ~ '""'" ~ iflIT ~ the desirability of withdrawing the termi- ¥i'JfI" Iii!: ~ (wro U1I' ~ mt): (iii) LeglsJatloa on ProIIibltloa ~ 6440. SHRI R. K. BIRLA: Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL WELFARE ~ am: ~ 1905 ~~ be pleased to state: whether it is a fact ~~ ~ ~~ r ~ that the Minister of Finance while addressing the Session of two-day National Convention on it; f.rQ: W' ~ rortmr rnr ~ Prohibition in Delhi on the 10th March 1969 fiI;lrr qlU 'IT I ~ ri"1ft1Ir it; qfurmr ar.r reiterated introduction of prohibition in the ~ ~ 1949 if iJlT ~ ~ country through legislation; ~ ~ ~ 1Im";r.rr f'ti q;: 1.08 (b) if so, whether the views of the Stete ~~ ~ ~~ u ~ Governments have been solicited in tbis ~ ~ it; f.rQ: arn-'Rr if ~ rilft1lr ~ connection; and ~ fiI;lrr 'IT I (c) the names of the Stete Govenments which have assured the Central Government ('f) ~ ~ mfI Upgrading of Posts in Medumlcal Workshop (b). Not yet, Sir. at Samastlpur (c). Does not arise. 6439. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to refer to the Stetement laid on the ,Table on the 21st February, 1969 in fulfilment of the assurance given in reply to Unsterred Ques- tion No. 5979 on the 27th August, 1968 and ~ ~ stete: 6441. ,,) '"": fiI1ir em ~ ~ If?it ~ ~ iI\'T FIT (a) whether the consideration of the ilim f.!; : matter of upgrading of posts in Mechanical Workshop at Samastipur bas since been ~ ~ ~ ~ completed; (iii) " f.!; ~~ ~ u ~ (b) if so, the result thereof; and it; .-r if 50 <'m!f m ~ ;it ~ it ~ (c) if o ~ the reasons for delay? ~ ~ ij;;:ftq- m:I!iR i\" ~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. m:I!iR ;it ~ m 'tiT ~ armr ~ RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a). No. ~ iflrr ~ rnr if ~ ~ (b) Does not arise. m 'tiT m:I!iR 'tiT SffiIR t ; am: (c) Financial implications are being ~ ~ ~ ~ worked out and a decision will be teken as ('f) m fuNijifi am: quickly as posibie. ~ (11 ;mit; ~ I!iR1If t ? 111 Writ/en Answers APRIL 15, 1969 Writ/en Answers 112 firi1T junction of National Highway No. 31. The North Eastern Railway had sent an estimate ~ representing the initial cost of shifting and ~ : upgrading of these level crossings to the State Government for acceptance. Subse- ~ ~ r~r quently at the instance of the state Government, the mailer was examined again ~ ~~ it; l1Tlf1IT It'T fifW f'Rl' f.fiit and they were advised in May 1968 that the ~~~ ~ ~ Initial c;pst of shifting and upgradation of ~ ~~or r ~~ the I_t crossing (B-C1ass level crossing was dropped by the State Government) would ~ in'U .50 ~~ "mlt'T have to be borne by the State Government r ~ fiI;lrr ~ I but as a special case the recurri1l8 charges would be borne by the railways. Accordingly, ~ ~ as desired by the State Government, North Eastern Railway had submitted an eastimate amounting to Rs, 42,205 I-representing the ('I') ~ ~ ~ ~~ initial cost of shifting and upgrading of the ~~~ ~ ~ rr~ I 'C' class level croSSi1l8 between Garhara and Tilrath stations, the Chief Engineer, (1J) ~~~ Public Works Department, Bihar, for accep- tance in September, 1968. State Government's Level Crossings On North Eastern Ralllways acceptance has not yet been received despite issue of several reminders. The Chief. 6442. SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: Secretary of the Government of Bihar has Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased been requested to convey the State Govern- to state: ment's acceptance to the ~ to the North Eastern Railway Administration as (a) whether the Coal Board Road from early as possible to enable the Railway to the junction of National Highway No. 31 to take up and complete the work as expedi- Barauni Junction of the North-Eastern tiously as possible. Railway is incomplete and uDutilised due to the fact that two level crossi1l8 have not Construction of Railway Approach Roads been provided; by States (b) whether various Minister1 of the 6443. SHRI MANGALATHUMADAM : Bihar Government have approached the Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased Minister of Railways for the provision of to state: the said level crossi1l8S; (a) whethre there is any definite policy in the mailer of constructing Railway approach (c) whether it has been decided to roads by States, with the Central help, provide the above mentioned much needed where there are over-bridges and under- level crossings; bridges ; and (d) if so, when the same will be built; (b) the amount sanctioned or proposed and for this purpose for Kerala State in the Fourth Plan ? (e) if not the reasons therefor? THI! MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH) (a) and (b) . THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS . Under the extant rules, the cost of replace- (DR. RAM SUBHAG S:NGH) : (a) to (e). ment of level crossing originally provided A proposal was received from the Govern- at Railway's cost by road over/under bridge ment of Bihar for shifting of a 'B' class will be shared between the Railway and the level crossi1l8 between Barauni and Ti1rath Road authority. Broadly, 50% of the cost stations and another 'C' claSs level crossing of road over/under bridge for a 24 ft. wide between Garhara and nlrath to new locations roadway and its approaches (exc1uding cost on the proposed Coal Board Road from the of land) is home by the Railway and the 113 Writ/lin An.rwllrs CHAlTRA 25, 1891 (SAKA> WrittDl Answers 114 balance 50% as well as the COlt of acquisition Halt Statloa At Boldulra of any land requiRd for approaches is borne by the road authority. 6445. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased With a view to assist State Governments to state : in meeting their share of the cost of such works, a Railway Safety Works Fund has (a> whether the Railway Board has been created from the year 1966-67. It is received representation from the Bokhara estimated that this Fund is likely to get a Sangram Committee, Dhanpatganj in total contribution of Rs. 9.28 crores from Mushidabad district for the opening of a the Ministry of Railways during the quin- halt station at Bokhara ; quennium 1966-67 to 1970-71. The share of the Government of Kerala in this amount (b) if so, when the representation was comes to Rs. 17.18 lakhs approximately upto first received and action taken' thereon ; 1970-71. The exact amount likely to accrue to them during the subsequent years is not (c) whether it is a fact that several known at present. cilimll were arrested in Bokhara for making this demand ; ~ ~ ~ ~ (d) is so, the names of the persons f,mft t"'" arrested and the reasons for their arrest; ~ ~ q'{ W\' \OI'Itl1 and ~ ~ ~ (e) when the Railway authorities propose 6444.-n to set up the halt station at Bokhara ? ~ ~ iRIR l!iT ii'IT ~ fiI; : THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ~~~ ~ (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a> Yes. ~ ~ ;mft' ~ ~ ;r ;mf.t (b> The first representation from the ~~~ r~~ Bokhara Sangram Committee was received ;f\;f ~ ~ ~ ~~ in September, 1968. The request contained in the representation could not be conceded ~ o ~~~ am: because it was not feasible from the Engi- neering and Operating points of view and involved finanacial loss. Tho site of the ~ ~~~~ also it proposed halt is only 1.39 kilometres from ~~~ ~~ the adjoining station Morgram. ~ it ~ lfTlif q'{ WI' ~ ~ r firuf.t ij; l!'lIT ;mtII' t? (c) and (d). The following 8 persons were arrested under Section 128 of Indian Rail- way's Act for obstructing the train serYic:es : ~ ~ (wt o ~ ~ (1Ii) 81'1<: ~ ~ ~ 'lit 1. Shri Sambhu Nath Dutta. 2. Shri Mahdeb Chakraborty. ~ ~ ~ ~ lfTlif q'{ am: 3. Sbri Basubeb Chakraborty. ~ ~ ~ ~r ~ 4. Shri Pindu Dutta. ~ tfol' l!iT ~ am: ~ lfm- S. Shri Bablu Dutta. lffir it SKlfTfua- ,!fii 'lit m ~ ~ 6. Sbri Sitaram show. f.mfur ~ it; amm: q'{ fiI;l!T ;;rnrr 7. Sbri Rashid Sheikh. t I 8Nt ~ iI'O'RT ~ ~ r", ,"- 8. Shri Inash Ali Nonda!. ~ ql;;r;rr ~ ~ ~ if I!11T (e> In view of the reply to pari (b) above r ~ 1IiVIT ~ ~ I the question does not arise. liS Written AlUw"rs APRIL IS, 1969 Written AlUwers 116 Tamer MorrI_ .t: Co. Ltd. (d) Tbe Regional Director, Eastern Region and Registrar of Companies, West 6446. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : Will Bengal have, however been advised to keep the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- a close watch on the companies of tbis MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- Group. PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: RIght to seek dlyorce (al whether it is a fact that in 1964 the Income Tax Department attached 49 per cent ~ SHRI RANJIT SINGH: shares belonging to Shri Haridas Mundra • SHRI D. C. SHARMA: in MIl. Tumer Morrison & Company SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: Limited and the Department has not yet SHRI BENI SHANKER , been able to sell these shares to realise a SHARMA: part of the demands aaainst Shri Mundra; Will tbe Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL (b) whether it is also a fact that inspite WELFARE be pleased to state: of this attachment of 49 per cent shares Shri Mundra controls of the company: (a) whether an order under Section 488 Cr.P.e. lives legal rigbt to Hindu applicant (c) whether under his control the assets to live separately from the respondent with- of the company and its subsidiaries are out obtaining a decree for judicial separation depreciating ; and under tbe Hindu Marriage Act; (d) if so, the steps taken by Government (b) if so, whetber it is a fact that these to safeguard the assets of the company and parties cannot get their marriage dissolved by its subsidiaries ? a decree of divorce at no time on the around of this judicial separation; and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (cl wbetber Government have considered DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE their hardship and the desirability of granting AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. a right to seek divorce ? AHMED) : (a) No, Sir. 1t 1s not correct that 49% shares belonging to Haridas Mundra THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE in Tumer Morrison & Company Ltd., were MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE attacbed in 1964 by the Income Taxt Depart- DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE ment. The said shares were attached much (SHRI M. YUNUS SALEEM):' (a) Section earlier. The attached shares have not been 488 Cr. P. C. does not live any legal rigbt sold as yet because a title suit (No. 93 of to any person to live separately thongh the 1959) is pending before the Court of 9th section does not contemplate the grant of Subordinate Judge, Alipore, Calcutta. maintenance allowance to a wife even when she resides separately from her busband (b) According to the latest annual provided sbe can show just cause. returns filed by the company it cannot be said that the Turner Morrison & Co. Ltd. (b) and (c). Do not arise. is under the control of Haridas Mundra. Howe_ according to suit No 600 of 1961 Poor performance of Public Sector Industries Haridas Mundhra is the beneficial owner of the shares of TuJQer Morrison & Company 6448. SHRI D. C. SHARMA: Limited. - SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: SHRI BENI SHANKER (c) No, Sir. According to the figures SHARMA! available from the latest balance-seet filed, SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK ; it is seen that except for Shalimar Tar SHRI RANJIT SINGH: Products (1935) Ltd., which has suft"ered heavy losses during 1965-66 and 1966-67, tbe Will tbe Minister of STEEL AND assests of otber companies are either steady HEAVY ENGINEERING be pleased to or have increased. state : 117 Wrilll!n AfUwers CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 118 (a) whether it is a fact that Survey reports SHRI HAL RAJ MODHOK : of public sector undertakinas reveal that the SHRI RANJIT SINGH.: performance of most of these concerns is poor and that their finances are in bad shape; WiD the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (b) whether the Hindustan Steel Limited, AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to investment in which is the second largest in state: the country, which has modem equipment, trained personnel and plenty of support from Government, SliD remains a sick (a) wbether the installed capacity of the child; foundry industry bas already exceeded tbe estimated demand for 197()'71 by 100,000 (c) whether it is also a fact that with all tonnes and that another 100,000 tonnes these facilities, the Hindustan Steel Limited would be added by units set up under spends Rs. 2,400 as apinst Indian Iron's licences already issued and new foundries Rs. 925 to produce a ton of steel and its loss coming up at Bokaro, Rourkela and other has jumped from Rs. 19.8 crores in 1969-68 places; and to Rs. 37.5 crores in 1967-68; and (d) the steps Pf!lposed to be taken in the (b) if so, the steps proposed to be taken matter 7 in the matter ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL ENGINEERING (SHRI K. C. PANT): (a) DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE No generalisation is possible about the AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. performance of Public Enterprises. Certain AHMED): (a> and (b). The term 'foundry enterprises have done well, while others ~ industry' applirently refers to the steel not done so. Of the 67 enterprises castinas industry. It is estimated that the (excluding those under construction and Life requirments of steel castinas (including alloy Insurance Corporatioli of India), 39 had steel castings) would be 200,000 tonnes to earned profits during 1967·68. . 250,000 tonnes annually by 1973·74 for which an installed capacity of 250,000 to 310,000 (b) to (d). The basic limitations under which tonnes per annum would be required. Tbe- HSL is working have been explained in the. installed capacity i. expected to reacb 320,000 pamphlet entitled "Performance of Hindustan tonnes by that time and no additional Steel" placed on the Table of the House on facilities arc needed except for highly specia- 5th April, 1968. One of the limitations is the lised castings such as for heavy electrical high capital cost of the public: sector steel equipment. The installed capacity in the plants which is reflected in the higher gross organised sector of the i!1dustry is about 1.35 block of Hindustan Steel compared to that lakhs tonnes per annum. This does not of Indian Iron. include the captive capacity in steel plants etc. or the capacity in the small scale sector. The loss sustained by HSL was Rs. 229.39 The industry is now exempted from the million in 1966·67 and Rs. 401. 19 million licensing provisions of the Industries Act, in 1967-68. The various steps taken/bcing 1951 and it is not possible to state definitely taken by'government to bring about improve· as to the additional capacity that is likely to ment in the working of the public sector steel become available in the next 2·3 years. plants have been indicated in tbe pampblet referred to above. Owing to rccessionery trends particularly Installed capacity of Foundry Indostry in industries such as machine building etc. for which steel castings is a feeder industry 6449. SHRI D. C. SHARMA: there has been considerable underutilisation SHRI HAROA YAL DEVGUN : of the capacity installed, The position is, SHRI BENI SHANKER however, improving with increases in demand SHARMA : by user industries, 119 Written AnslVers APRIL 15, 1969 Wl'itten Answers 120 Attack on Tudor Station (a) whether a proposal to remove licensing . controls from basic consumer industries like 6450. SHRI D. C. SHARMA: sugar, cloth and cement is under SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: consideration ; SHRI BENI SHANKER SHARMA: SHRI RANm SINGH: (b) if so, the decision taken in the matter; and Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state : (cYlpe steps taken to implement the same? (a) whether about 300 students attacked THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL Tandur Station near Hyderabad on the 24th DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE February, 1969 and caused considerable AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. dama.ge to railway property; AHMED) : (a) to (c). The cement, Paper and vanaspati industries have already peen (b) if so, the details of the incident exempted from the licensing provisions of and the reasons thetefor; and the Industries (Development and Regulation) Act, 1951. There is no proposal for similar (c) whether any inquiry has been instituted exemption of the textile industry under into the matter ? consideration of Government. As regards sugar, Government do not propose to deli- cense this industry at this stage. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) and (b). Yes. About 300 to 400 students including a ~ r ~ ~~ few outsiders attacked Tandur Station on ~ ~ Vikarabad-wadi Section on 24.2.69 and caused damage to railway property. The students entered the Station yard and pelted ~~ ~~ stones at the cabin brealclng all window ~ ~ ~ ~ glass panes. A second batch moved tuward a:nm: the level crossing gate No. 12/a and damaged ll"ft ~ 'R!f.r '!it ~ rn fit; : gate and signal lamps. They also cut all the transmission wires of down advanced ~ ~~~ ~ starter signal and carried away the group telephone from the gate. The mob were ~ ~ ~ ~ r 'lit agitsting for a separate Telangana State. 1948 if ~ f'FlIT }J'lfPIT ; (c) A case has been registered by the (!iT) lfR ~ ~ ~~ District Police Tandur and is still under en investiption. ~ '!it mr ~ ~ am: '8"f ~ fit;(I;ft ~ ; DeJic:eosiog of Basic Consumer Industries ('l') ~ ~ ~ fiI> i3'Rf ~ it 6451. SHRI HARDA YAL DEVGUN: ar.r CI'F ~ 'lit ~ 'Iil: ~ ~ SHRI D. C. SHARMA: SHRI BENI SHANKER SHARMA: SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: ( tf) ~ i3'Rf ~ rnT ~ arAl:r- SHRI RANJIT SINGH: ~r ~ ~ ~ 'lit SfTt(f ~ ~ ; am: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to ~ ~ en ~ 'R: ~ ~ state: ~ ~~ 121 Wrltte" AlISwers CllAtmA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Writte" AIISWflts 122 ~ mmr, ~ anqR em ('lr) ~ err ~ ~ ~ iII'tu ~ 'Plft' ( 8fT ~ 8f\Iit o ~ ~~ r ~ ~ :(lti) ~ ssft1n;r I ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SITo ~ am: m f¥t flI;wft' ~ ~ ~ f.r;m 27-12-1948 iIi't ~ ifiT ~ eft I ~ am: ('lr) ~ ~ m-mn' ('I') ~~~ ~or ~ ij"IT 5 ornr ~ ifiT ~ 'l.;;ft' eft I err m ~ lffi'IIT ~ ? ('I') or ~ I ~ ~ f.t'" "'"'"' am: ~ ~ mnrr ~ (-.To ~ ~~ ~ 30-6-1967 (1"fi ifiT 8Filf1f if, (lti) ~ ('1'). ~ "lft;;y;n" ~ ~ iIi't m l!>U t ~ if 29,524.60 ~ ij"IT ~ arrm- ~ ij; m ~ ~ I W urn if 4209 m arrzr- .mif iIi't ~ f.l1rivr t r.ro: ~ ~ ij"IT 638 m IlJflf rr r ~ t ~ mfur ~ ~ ~ srmr-f.d';r!Ilff ~ it I 1956 ~ ~ ifiTarcrflf ifiT ~ ~ ~~ 'IT I ~~ ~ ortf ~ ~ ~ rr~ 1943 t ~ ~ ~ ~ fc:1rr IflTT 'IT I ~ ~ t ~ iflflf'li F.. "fdlil ..l firfu<;r ~ t ~ ~ ~ (b) tbe reaction of Government thereto; ~ ~ ~ mrWtqf and ~~~ (e) the number of passengers who tra\'elled from Ahmedabad to Ahu Road, and 6453. ~ f'fo ~ om fidtr from Abu Road to Marwar In. month·wise, .0 during the last three ~ ? "'" Pl. ~ ~ ~ iIiflit 1Jit ~ m fiI;: THE MINISI'ER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Yes. (If) om ~ ~ ~ f.I; man- ~ it ~~ ~~ ~ (b) The request has been examined and it transpires that the bulk of holiday traffic is ij; ft;rii ~ ur ;ITt ~ t if lft;;m between Ahmedabad and Abu Road. The ~ ~ ifiT ~ t f'Iit ~ ti few passengers travelling beyond Abu Road 123 Written A"swers APRIL IS, 1969 Writtell Answers 124 towards Marwar are adequately catered to by ~ ~~~ ~ tbe scheduled train services whose loads are suitably augmented to cater to the spurt in II1\" fiI;o;:f\" ~ it ~ am: "" 1969-70 traffic during summer months. There is DO . iii ~ f'Woft" r ro ~ ;tt iiIAW;tt justification for extending Ahmedabad-Abu Road holiday specials to and from Marwar trt t; In. ~ ;m lJi! ~ t fili trn" em ;tt (c) A statement is laid on the Table of the W'AT .~ , "" 1968-69 it ~ ~ iii House. [Placed ill Library. See No. LT- ~ ;tt oq;r-ufu iIilf ~ it ~ t; 771/69] ('1") ~ ~ m ;m iffiIIT ~ Overbead Bridges at FalDa and Rani Stations am: 64SS. THRI S. K. TAPURIAH: Will the (tf) ;m armm ;rnraff it; ~ Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: a"n" ~ fcmf'l1if ~ .mr l'ft ;;nift t (a) the programme of tbe Railways to ;piffit; "U'ilr ~ ~ ~ tro replace tbe level crossings Falna and Rani ~ II1\" ufu iIilf fifiit ~ iii iffiIIT ;m Stations in Rajasthan by overhead bridges; and ~ 'liT ai't"¥Ii ~ ~ ~ WRft ? (b) whether any requests have been ~ ~ am: ~ ~ fif1n'I' received in this reprd 1 ihli'11' "'" ( 'ITo ~ ~ ~ ) : ~ ~ ~~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Under tbe ~~~ ~~ extent rules, proposals for construction of rr ~ ~~~ ~ Road over/under bridges in replacement of ~~~ existing level crossings are Tequired to be sponsored by tbe State Government indies- ting the relevant priority and the year in 1966-67 346.55 <'m!f ~ which they would be able to provide funds 1967-68 235.78 <'m!f ~ towards Road Authority's share of the cost of the work. ( 16 <'m!f ~ 'liT ri mf1r.r) 1968-69 288.42 \mf ~ So far the Government of Rajasthan have not sponsored any proposal for the construc- 1969-70 iii foro: ~ iii mit tion of road overbridges in replacement of existing level crossings at Falna and Rani anft arm ~ ~ Ai"lIT 'flIT t I Stations. ~ 1968-69 IIit ufu mr.r "" ;tt (b) Yes. amrr 50 <'m!f ~ ~ 1ft' '"fm arfi1 Forest-btied Industries in Tripara tions for new lines required on strategic considerations emanate from the 6457. SHRI KIRIT BIKRAM DEB Ministry of Defence. They have not asked BURMAN: Will the Minister of INDUS- for the construction of any Railway line in TRIAL P ~ INTERNAL Tripura on stratqic considerations. How- TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be ever, a survey for extending the Railway line pleued to state: from Dharmaoqar to Aprtala will be taken up shortly "to assess the cost and- economic (a) whether the Tripura Government has viability. subqlitted auy programme for the setting up aud expaosion of forest-based industries in Fall In Rate of Production of Hea.,. Tripura under the Fourth Five Year PIau; Engineering Corporation (b) if 10, tho details and outlay of the 6459. SHRI D. N. PATODIA: Will the prolP'llmme; and Minister of STEEL AND HEAVY ENGI- NEERING be pleued to state: (c) whether the programme has been approved by the Planning Commission; if so, (a) whether it is a fact that the rate of with" what modifications, if auy ? production ai the heavy Engineering Corpo- ration has been far below the level achieved THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL durinl the last year; P ~ INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. (b) if so, the latest production of heavy AHMED): (a) The Tripura Government have "machine tools made so far and how it com- not submitted any definite proposal in their pares with the figures of production durinl draft Fourth Five Year PIau for setting up of the last year; forest-baaed industries in the territory. (c) whethllr the causes for the shortfall (b) aud (c). Do not arise. in the production of heavy machine tools have been investigated; and Extel\llon of RaIlway LInes in Tripara (d) if 10, the detail. thereof? 6458. SHRI KIRIT BIKRAM DEB BURM"N: Will the MinislerofRAILWAYS THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE be pleased to refer to his Statement made in MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY the House on the 5th March, 1969 assurinl ENGINEERING (SHRI K. C. PANT): expansion of rail-line in stratqic areas aud (a) to (d). The production duriDl 1967-68 .tate: and 1968-69 compare as under:- (a) whether Tripura, surrounded on three sides by East Pakistau, is considered as a 1ll6ll-6ll strategic area for purposes of extension of Heavy Machine rail·lines; Building Plant 14611 tonnes 23850 tonnes Foundry Forge (b) if DOt, whether any survey about the Plant 9003 tonnes 16687 tonnes strategic importance of the area is heiDI Heavy Machine conducted; if not, the reasons ~or and Tools Plant 15 Nos. 8 NOlI. (c) if the answer to part (a) above be in the affirmative, the details of the plans for In 1967-68, the machine tool. manu- expausion of rail-lines in that area and when factured in the HeaYJ' Machine Tools ~ these would be taken up for implementation ? were assembled mainly from imported knocked down components, whereas in THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. 1'68-69, there was considerable increase in RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) to (c). SIJIIIe8- components manufactured in tbe factory. 127 Wrlttm A"swrs APR.IL IS, 1969 Writtm Answers 128 About 61 tonnes of components were (b) whether the posts of the Commercial manufactured in the Plant durius January- Clerks are correctly operated according to March 1969. the prescribed yard-stick on all the Stations; Quality of Food served in the (c) whether Government have received Rajdbaai Express uy representation from the All India Railway Commercial Clerks Association regardinl shortage of staff according to the 6460. SHRI D. N. PATODlA: Will the preaI(Ipl Yard-stick; and Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (d) if so, tbe details thereof ·and action taken by Government? (a) whether the Ilajdhani Express is not r1IDIIina to its fuU capacity; THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAO SINGH): (a) to (d). The (b) if so, what is the occupancy rate for information is heinl coUected and will be each trip so far; laid on the table of the Sabha. (c) whether it is also a fact that the Leakage of Question Papers at Nortllern food served on the train is not of a good Railway Oak Grove ScbooI, Jbaripani quality; and 6462. SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS pleased to (d) if so, the steps taken to improve the be atate: quality of food ? (a) whether it is a fact that there was THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS a leakqe of question papers at the Northern (DR.. RAM SUBHAO SINGH): (a) The Railway Oak Grove School, Jharipani filling of this train is not yet to full capacity (Mussoorie); but has come up to about· 75%. (b) whether any enquiry was conducted and the culprits apprehended; and (b) A statement giving the information is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in (c) if not, reasons therefor? LIbrary. See No. LT-772/69] THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. (c) This is not a fact. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (d) The question does not arise. (b) and (c). The Criminal Investigation Department of the Uttar Pradesh Police are conductinl investigations into the matter. Commercial Clerks HlndallIm Cables Ltd. 6461. SHRI CHANDRIKA PRASAD: SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: 6463. SHRI K. N. PANDEY: Will the SHRI P. L. BARUPAL: Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be AFFAIRS be pleased to state the quantity pleased to refer to the reply given to manufactured by Hindustan Cables Ltd., Unstarred Question No. 2SSO on the 11 th durinB 1968 and the estimate Df quantity to be Much, 1969 and state : manufactured durinB the Fourth Plan period ? (a) the ways and means set up by THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL Government to check ttie proper imple- DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE mentations of the prescribed yardstick at AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI the Railway Stations; F. A. AHMED) : The production fiBUfCS 129 Written Answers CHAI1RA 25, 1891 (SAKA) WrittlllfAruwers 130 for tile year 1968 are as follows :- Quantity Value (in K. Ms.) • (Ri. in lakhs) Dry-Core Cables 3748·50 632·65 Co-uial Cables 803·25 207"81 Plastic wires &: Cables 3345·26 33·23 ~ ------The proposed productiO!: programme for the Fourth Five Year Plan period i5 as follows : ~ ~~ ITEM 4th PLAN Dry Core 83lakba CKM (approx.) Coaxial Cable 20,000 TKM (approx). Plastic Wires and Cables 3 to 5 lakhs CKM Copper coated Steel Wire 6SOO tons (appro,,). B. G. LIne from Guntakal to Mac:beria Tral:tor Plaat ia Aacllua Pradesb 6464. SHR! ESWARA REDDY: Will the 6465. SHRIESWARA REDDY: Will the - Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: Minister of INDUSTRIAL DBVBLOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADB AND COMPANY (a) whether the Railway Board has deci- AFFAIRS be pleased to state : ded to upgrade the Guntakal-Macherla line to broad gauge and to cannect Macherla to (a) whether the Andhra Pradesh Govern- Nagarjunasagar and then to Seconderabad; ment have submitted a proposal to set up a - tractor plant in the state in the private sector (b) whether surveys on these lines- have for the manufacture of the 18 to 25 H. P. started; tractors and 52 to 6S H. P. Tractors; (c) if SO, when the surveys are expected (b) if so, the main details thereof; to be completed; and (c) the foreign -exchanle content of the (d) whether the work on these lines would proposal; and be taken up during the Fourth Plan ? (d) the decision taken thereon ? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM stmHAO SINGH) : (a) to (d) : EDcineering and Traflic Surveys for the TUB MINISTER. OF INDUSTRIAL conversion of the Guntur-Macherla DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE section from M. G. to B. G. and for AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. the construction of a new B. G. line from AHMED) : (a) to (d): In April, 1968 a Nadikude (on the Guntur-Macherla section) proposal had been received from MIL Andhra to Secunderabad are in prosress and are Apo Industries Company for the establishment expected to be completed towards the end of a naw factory for the manufacture of agri- of this year. Further consideration to the cultural tractors in the ranae of 8 ILP.-20 proposal can be _given only after the surveys H.P. in collaboration with MIs. Prommash- are completed and the results thereof known. export of USSR. As the IICbome was incom- 131 Written AlISwrs APRIL IS, 1969 132 plete, some additional information was called from three other parties in the private sector for from them in May, 1968. This has not for the establishment of factories in Andhra been received so far and accordingly their Pradesh for the manufacture of Agricultural proposa I is being treated as having been tractors. All these proposals have been rec0- given up. mmended for acceptance by the Government of Andhra Pradesh. The details of these In addition, proposals have been received proposals are as under :------S. No. Name of the Proposed Make of Annual capacM, Foreign exchange Name of foreign party location tractor proposed per required for collaborator annum import of capital (Nos.) goods 2 3 4 5 6 7 1. MIs. Prem Agro. Hyderabad U 1650- 10,000 Not indicated M Is. Industrial Eogg. Corporation, 651 Export of Rumania New Delhi. 45165 HP 2. MIs. Indian Agro do ~ 10,000 Not indicated MIs. Trak to ren- Machines, Bombay Implement werk schoene beck carrier 20 HP ofGDR 3. Dr. R. Kamal of do 15-76 10,000 Rs. 1·40 MIs. Linde Guldner Hyderabad HP crores of West Germany. These proposals are under. ",?nsideration. Seleetion of Stenographers on Railways (b) if so, whether Goverament would consider their case also; and 6466. SHRl SHRl CHAND GOYAL: (c) if not, the reasoDS therefor and the SHRlOM PRAKASH TAYAGI: details of action proposed to be taken IIPiDSt SHRI RAM SWARUP the officiais disobeying the Board's instru- VIDYARTHI: ctions? SHRI NARAIN SWARUP SHARMA: KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) The additional chance was pven in consideration of the Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be fact that the test was held during the pleased to state : period when the concerned candidates were already employees with a full schedule of normal day to day work and may not (a) whether it is a fact tbat with a view have -always fhad the proper- climate for to mitigate hardship experienced by the preparation fresh candidates. Stenographers seleeted prior to 1966-67 as a as result of failure of Railway Service Commis- sion, Allahabad to respect the orders of the (b) The question as to the manner in Railway Board on recruitment of Stenogra- which some relief can be provided to them is phers, grant of Ollt: additiooal chance has under consideration. benefited only to those who are not out- standing and the case of the deserving candi- dates has not been pven due consideration; (c) Does not arise. Writ/en Answers CHAI1"RA 25, 1891 (SAKA) 134 Stenographers on Northern Railway (b) No. Number of Upper class passen- gers dealt with at this station does not justify 6467. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: construction of a waiting room. SHRI RAM SWARUP VIDYARTHI: (c) Does not arise. SHRI OM PRAKASH TVAGI : SHRI NARAIN SWARUP APJll'Gllch Roed to Railway Level CroasiDg SHARMA: Near Bhagwaopnr Station KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 6469. SHRI VALMIKI CHOUOHARY: pleased to state : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (a) the number of Stenographers on. the Northern Railway in each grade division- (a) wbether the approach road to the wise; Railway level crossing near Bbagwanpur Railway Station 00 the North Eastern Rail- (b) the number of Stenographers in the way continues to be a Kucha road despite scale of Rs. 130-300 who are exempted from pressing demand to make it a metalled the selection in srade Ra. 210-425 division- road; wise; (b) if so, the reason therefor; (c) whether Government propose to live officiating chances to such Stenographers in the scale Rs.210-425 till the selections to (c) whether the work is to be undertaken fill up vacancies are finalised; and in 1969-70; and (d) if not, the reasons therefor ? (d) if so, the provISion made therefor and if not, reasOns therefor? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) to (d). Infor- THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. mation is being collected and will be laid on RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) Yes. the Table of the Sabha. (b) To avoid any inconvenience to tbe Waiting Room at Mabnar Road Station road-'*IS, the road is maintained in aood condition by repairing it as and when found 6468. SHRIVALMIKI CHOUDHARY: necessary. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (c) and (d). The proposal for metallina tbe road has been finalised and tbe work is (ai whether there has been pressing to be taken up during 1969-70, for which public demand for construction of a waiting necessary funds also exist. room at the Mahnar Road Station on the North-Eastern Railway for many years; Goods HaadIlng Contracts at Stations (b) wltether there is sulliclent traffic on this station including high class passenprs 6470. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will to justify the construction of the waiting the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to room; and state: (c) if so, whether the said work is being (a) the number of Stations, Goods undertaken in 1969-70, if so, the provision Sheds, Transit Sheds and Loco Sheds on the made therefor and if not, reasons therefor? Railways where handlilll of Parcels, Quick Transit Servioe, Goods and Coal are handled THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. by (I) Private agencies or contractors RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) No. (2) Labour Cooperative Societies; 135 Written Answers APRIL 15, 1969' W,itten AtuWe'3 136 . (b) The steps taken to accelerate co-opera- (b) whether any action has been taken or live movement and encolJl'll8C Labour c0- proposed to be taken apinst the erring operatives to obtain handliDI contracta on otIic:ials: the Railways at reasonable and workable rates: and (c) if not, reasons tberefor: and (c) the number of handlina contracts (d) the steps being taken to honour the held by Co-operative Societies in (1) Calcutta assurances liven in the House by the State area of Eastern Railway and South Eastern Miai,!ter of Railways in this regard ? Railways: and (2) Raihlay Divisions of Sealdah, Howrah, Asansol, Adra and THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. Kharagpur Divisions? RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) to (d). Infor- mation is being collected and will tie laid on THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. the Table of the Sabha. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) (1) Priwte aplCies/contractors are doing handl- Deterioration of Qna1Ity of ing work at 904 locations on the GJuses of Can Railways 6472. SHRI ARJUN SINGH DHA- (2) Labour Co-operative Societies are DORIA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL doing handling work at 96 locations DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE on the Railways. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (b) Concessions are available to Labour Cooperative Societies in regard to payment (a) whether Government's attention has of earnest 11lODCY and security deposit. been drawn towards the deteriorating quality Instructions have also been issued recently to of fittings of doors and Glasses of cars: entrust handling work pertaining to goods and and parce1s and coal to such cooperatives wilbout call of tende... upto a monetary (b) if so, the action taken by Govern- limit of Rs. 1,20,000/-, the handling rates ment in the matter ? beiDI determined by a committee of officers. The Railways are also taking steps to organise THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL Labour Cooperatives at stations where handl- DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE ing work is at present done by contractors to AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. the atent possible. AHMED): (a) ~d (b). Government have been receiving complaints about defects in the (c) (1) One. quality of cars, including ill-fitting of doors and defective glasses. Following these (2) Seven. complaints, Government had set up a committee of aperts to make a thorough Stenographers for Senior Sca1e Olficers investigation into the causes of the deteriora- on tile Railways tion in the quality' of cars and suggest remedial measures. The recommendations of the committee have been brought to the 6471. SHRI VlDYA DHAR BAlPAI: notice of the manufacturers and statutory Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased directions have been issued to theut to state : in respect of the more important of these recommendations to ensure compliance. (a) whether it is a fact that even after issue of Railway Board's specific orders vide Regarding windacreens particularly, their letter of 19th April, 1965, on some complaints had been received that windscreens Railways, senior scale ollicets have either not fitted on indigenous cars had some deCocts been provided stenos in scale of Rs.210-425 like waviness and refraction, as they were or provided stenos in scale Rs. 130-300; made out of indi&enous sheet aJass. instead 137 Writtm AlUWltr" CHAITRA 2', 1891 of plate alaa. AccordiuaIY the manufactu- (a) whether it is a fact that Bikanel" rers of windscreen glass were Biven Division in the Northern Railway is larger in assistance for the import of plate glaa for area establishments and number of staIr in tbe manufacture of windscreens. It is under- comparison with 10dhpure Division ; stood that one of the three manufacturers of passenger cars in the country, have already (b) whether it is a fact that the number introduced plate glass quality windscreen on of Assistant Personnel Inspectors (adjudica- their cars. The remaining two are, however, tion) on Bikaner Division is ~ than that still using the sheet quality windscreens of 10dhpur Division; and fitted to their cars. The reasons Biven by tho manufacturers for not usina plate (c) if so, the reasons therefor and steps alasa quality windscreen is that the prices of beina taken to make good the deficiency ? such windscreens are higher than those made out of see! aIaa. They have, however, stated that tbe quality of the inmaenous THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS sbeet glass has improved to a great extent (DR. RAM SU!!HAG SINGH): (a> Yes. and the windscreens now fitted to their cars are being made out of superior quality (b) Yes. sheet glass. (c) The number of Assistant Personnel Enquiry into !be Working of !be Britlsb Inspectors {adjudication> on a particular :India Corporation Division is determined on the basis of quantum of work. The number of inspec- 6474. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: tors in Bikaner Division is considered to be Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- adequate. LOPMENT, INTERNAL· TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleaaed to state: Use Of Imported Crockery By Railway Oft"icers (b) and (c) • The investiaatina authority (b) Does not arise. is making satisfactory progress. Government hopes that the Repc}rt may be submitted (c) No. without undue delay. Time-Limit Cor Disposal of Elea.1ion A. P. Is. in Bluner Dh·ision PetitiC1115 6475. SHRI RAJ DEO SINGH: Will 6477. SHRI VALMIKI CHOUDHARY : the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL state: WELFARE be pleased to state : 139 Wrillen Answers APRIL 15, 1969 Written Answers 140 (a) whether there is no time limit on INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY the finalisation and disposal of Election AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Peti tion cases owing to wbich Elections arc (a) the industries proposed to be set up sometimes declared void after the persons in tbe Public Sector during the Fourth Five- concerned have served their full terms of membership of Legislatures ; Year Plan; and (b) the industries proposed to be set up (b) if so, whether Government propose to in Madhya Pradesh, Bihar and Uttar modify the law to put a reasonable time limit Pradst;. during the above period ? on disposal of such cases; and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (c) if not, the reasons therefor? DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. DEPUTY MINISTER IN tHE MINI- AHMED): (a) and (b). The Fourth Five- STRY OF LAW AND IN THE DEPART- Year Plan and the Public Sector Industries MENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI to be included in it still remain to be M. YUNUS SALEEM): (a) There is no finalised. It is not, therefore, possible to statutory time-limit for the disposal of election indicate at this stage the public Sector petitions. Section if6 (7) of the Representation Industries that are likely to be set up of the pepople Act, 1951 however, provides during the Plan in Madhya Pradesh, Bihar that the election petitions shall be tried and Uttar Pradesh. expeditiously as possible and that endeavour shall be made to conclude the trial within Production nf Watches in Hindustan six months from the date on which the Machine Tools, Bangalore election petition is presented to the High Court for trial. 6479. SHRI K. N. PANDY: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, (b) No, Sir. INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY (c) It i. neither desirable nor proper to AFEAIRS be pleased to state : set a statutory time limit for the disposal of the election petitions thereby fettering unne- (a) the number of watches produced cessarily the discretion of the High Courts. by Hindustan Machine Tools Ltd., Bangalore, The reasons for the delay in disposal may during the year 1968; and be various, like complicated nature of issues involved, voluminous records and examina- (b) the target for 1969 ? tion of innumerable witnesses and the Courts have therefore to go carefully and fully into THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL these' aspects to give fair trial to the DEvELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE petitions. Under the present law, appeals AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. lie as a matter of rigbt to tbe Supreme AHMED) : (a) Calendar Year 1968-288,504 Court both on questions of fact and of law numbers which account for some reasonable delay in the final disposal of elections petitions. The (b) The targets are drawn up according present arrangement of election petitions being to the financial years and not according to tried by the High Courts is working very calendar years, The targets for the years satisfactorily and the experience sbows that 1968-69 and 1969-70 are as follows: the election petitions are being more expeditiously disposed of than before. For 1968-69-3,00,000 numbers these reasons, the Government is not in 1969-7G-3,60,000 numbers favour of any statutory time-limit for disposal of petitions. New Rullway Lines In U. P. and Andhra Pradesh Public Sector Industries in States 6480. SHRI K. N. PANDEY: Will the 6478. SHRI K. N. PANDEY: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, state: 141 CHAlTRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Written A/UMIUs 142 (a) the number of new Railway lines (c> the reaction of Government thereto; which have been constructed in U. P. and and Andhra Pradesh durin, 1968-69 (to-date);- (d) the total loss of the Railway property (b) the new lines recommended by the due to this accident ? Goverments of U. P. and Andhra Pradesh for construction during the current financial THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS year; and (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a> Presumae- hly the reference is to the accident in which (c) the action taken by Government on the ensine and two bogies of train No. 83 Up tbose recommendations ? Upper India Express derailed While entering Kiul station on 23. 3. 1969. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a> Railway (b) The cause of the accident is under development is not envisaged on any state- investigation. wise or repon-wise concepts. but on overall development considerations in the National (c) Depending upon the findin, of the interest. However, it may be stated tbat the inquiry committee suitable action would be Bailadilla-Kottavalasa line falling partly in taken to prevent recurrence of such accidmts Andhra Pradesh and a separate B. G. line and action would also be taken IIPinst any between Renigunta and Tirupati in Andhra staff held responsible for causing the Pradesh were opened to traffic in 1968-69. accident. A B. G. line from Obra to Sincrauli falling partly in U. p. has been completed in (d) The cost of damage to railway property 1968-69. has been estimated at approximately Rs. 800/. (b) and (c). No specific recommendations FIrings IIf RaIlway PrOtection Force for construction of new lines have been made by the Governments of Andhra Pradesh and U. P. for the current year. However, as 6482. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: WiD suggested by the Andhra Pradesh Government the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to Engineering and Traffic Surveys for a new state: B. G. line from Secunderabad to Nadilcude and for the conversion of the Guntur- (a) the number of cases in which the _ Macherla Metre Gauge seetion into Broad Railway Protection Force opened fire during Gauge together witb updating the earlier the last one year; survey report for the Bhadrachalam Road- Kovvur rail link have been ordered and these (b) the number of persons killed as a are in progress: Surveys for a new rail link result thereof; between Rampur and Haldwani (in U. P.) have also been undertaken. (c) the amount of compensation paid, if any, to the families of the victims of the firin8;and Derailment of 39 Up Upper India Ex.press near Kiul (Eastern RaIl.... ) (d) the number of cases in which enqui- ries into the incident of firing were held and 648l.'SHRI VISHWA NATH PANDEY: firing was found unjustified ? Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) On 86 occasions (a) whether it is a fact that two third Railway Protection Force opened fire during class bogies of the 39 Up Upper India Express 1968. . were derailed on the 13th March, 1969 at a level crossing near Kiul station on the (b) 35. Danapur division of the Eastern Railway; (c) No compensation was paid. Firings (b) if so, the caUIes thereof; were resorted to during encounter with 143 WrUten AIUlVN. APRIL IS, 1969 Writ/ell Allswer. 144 aUDiaals in the cxerc:isc of riaht of private (b) if so, wbat new projects Government dcfcoce of life and property. have in view to accelerate the development of East Rajasthan, particularly with reprd to (d) M.. istcrial enquiries were held in linking Ihalawar (Western Railway) with a nine cases and firina was found justified in broad-gauge line; and all of them. However, in four other cases local Police as a result of preliminary enqui- (c) if not, reasons therefor? ries registered c:oanizable ofl'enczs apinst the Railway Protection Fon:e, which arc under .-ruE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. Police investiption. RAM' SUBHAG SINGH): (8) to (c). New lines cannot be taken up for construction ~ ~~~ just to develop backward areas. The cons- truction of new lines today is a very costly proposition and unless adequate return on ~~ ~ 6483 . the Railways' capital investment is ensured ri ~ ornr.t 't>'T 'Iro rn f.I; : the standing charps on such lines will affect the already di1llcult financial position of the ~ ~ ~ Railways and may ultimately prove to be a (lfi) ;m f.t; 'Ilroi'\1r it heavy drain on the general exchequer. Hence, ~ ~ ~ 'I<: ~ ;r.<: f.rlf1' for the present, only new lines which are ;;rnrr ~ likely to generate a large volume of traffic such as orcs and minerals and other goods can be considered for construction. On this ('ir) ~ ~~ ~ basis, the proposal for providing a broad fiI;a;ft ~ gauge rail connection to Ihalawar in East Rajasthan, or for constructing any other new railway line in this area may not merit ~ ;m 'Ii<: ~ m'lf Q:m priority for consideration during the Fourth ~ iii ~ ~ "I11TIfr ;m ~ am: Five-Year Plan and may have to await better times for consideration. (Yf) 1968-69 it ~ r ~ ~ om ~~ ~ ~ mAT 0fTlf r( ? 6485 . .n ~ ~ fiIf'T ~ ~ ...o ~~ ~ .ft'n ~ ~ ri 18 1fRi", 1969 iii (lfi) am: ('ir). ;;iT ~ I ~ r ~ ~ ~~~ o ~ ~ 139 ~ ~ ~ lIT ~ i3'lfi lil'lIT m it ~ ornr.t 't>'T 'Iro ~ f.I; : ;ffir ~ mf.m 'I<: "I11TIfr ;;rnrr ~ I (lfi) ~~~~ ~ ~ ;;fr ~ I lfiI'If 1R ~~ ~ am: (Yf) ~ 1968-69 iii ~ aNt ~ ('ir) ~ ~ it f.I;.r-f.I;.r ~ ~~~~~~~~ lfiT ~ flfilIT ~ ? Railway Projects in East Rajastban ~~~~~ 6484. SUR! BRURA] SINGH KOTAH: if ~ .m (.n !o ~ : (lfi) Will the Minister of RAIL WAYS be plcsscd ;;fr m'lf f.!f1il1ri' ~ . ~ N;;r ~ to state: ~ ~ ~~ ~ (a) whether Government have ..reed ~ ~ ~ f.t; ~ .m-,.iIr.iI'N ~ that in order to facilitate quick economic ~ ~ ~ ~ development of the backward areas, layinl mili of new railway lines is necessary; ~ 145 Written A.nswers CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SA.KA.l Wrillen A.nswers 146 ~ 'fin ~ """ f.rim: \ffi't' ~ it 'lroft it; ~ ~ it; ~ tJlIT Head Gear Telephoaes fa D. S. OIfice, New Delbi Railway Exchange ~ ~ rn ~~ ~ ~ 6486. SHRI YASHPAL SINGH: Will rn am: the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to ('if) }ff<{ ~ eft ~ 0!ITu 'fin state: t? (al whether the head·gear telephones of I. T. I. which have been standardized" by ~ ~ ("'0 ~ ~ : Government are provided to the Divisional ~ I ~ ~ ~ Superintendent's Office, New Delhi Rliilway (iF) 'l'tf '1ft, Exchange; r ~ ~ ~ (b) whether this type of head-gear is not ~ "iftU it; 1!1l'I<'if it ~ ~ durable because of "its weak material as a ~ lI" ~ ~ it; f.;r;r large number of I. T. I. head-gear telephones tor lfi1RIfuif have been broken within a short period, and II>T ~ 'I1'!rr ~ ~~~~ tpft ~ :- (c) if so, the reason for standardiZing this quality of head-gear phones ? 1968---443 THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Head Gear 1969 ~~ Telephones standardized and manufactured by I. T. I. are provided to the Railway (b) if so, the action Government pro- (b) Government have not agreed to the· pose to take against the R. P. F. men request of the cotton trade and have not involved in the theft cases ? permitted futures trading (hedge trading) in cotton during the current season. THE MINISTER OF RAlLWAYS(DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Yes. Marder of RaHway Clerk of KDdapur Near Kanauj (b) In proved cases of involvement in ~ SHRI D. N. PATODIA: Will the thefts, Railway Protection Force personnel arc MiDister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: prosecuted in courts. In other cases which are not sent up to courts for want fo evidence, (a) whether it is a fact that Railway they arc departmentally dealt with for major Clerk of Kudapur, near. Kanauj, was found penalties. murdered in a second class compartment of the Farrukhabad-Kanpur passenger train on Production iD the IDdustrial Estates the 24th March, 1969; (b) whether the circumstances leading to 6490. SHRI. NARENDRAKUMAR the murder have been probed into; SALVE: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (c) whether crime in trains has not AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to declined despite repeated critiCism; and state: (d) what was the role of the Railway Protection Force vis-a-vis the above case ? (a) whether there is any proposal under . Government's consideration to diversify the THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. production in Industrial Estates to make them RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a> Yes. The more productive; and name of the Railway station is Kudlapur. (b) if so, the details thereof? (b) A case has been registered by the Government Railway Police, Farrukhabad THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL and is under investigation •. DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. (c) and (d). Yes. Protection of life and AHMED): (a) No, Sir. property of passengers travelling in traiDs is a 'crime duty' devolving on State Police (b) Does not arise. including the Government Railway Police. Whereas the role of the Railway Protection Force is to provide protection and security CottOD Trade to railway property, necessary assistance is, however. rendered to State Police when asked . 6492. SHRI NARENDRAKUMAR for in dealing with law and 'order situations SALVE: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL on the Railways. Close co-operation is also DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE maintained with the State Police at all times AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to for control of crime and their attention is state: promptly drawn to any serious crime that occurs, and to any increase in criminal (a) whether the Cotton Trade has reques- activities in a particular area, or train, for ted Government to permit future business in taking remedial measures. Cotton; and ~~ ~ (b) if so, the action Government have taken in this reprd ? ~~ ~ ~ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 6494. 11ft 8\"0 i\In: '!!U ~ DEVELOPMENT, IN'I'ERNAL TRADE ~ r ~ ~ ~ AND COMPANY AFFAIRS ('Ii) ~ ~ "t f.!; ~ lf11ftm ~ ~ af.«r ~ ~ f,,"", \ill ~ 1fCI'if,;rt ~ it; r~ it tffrn ~ r ~~~~ UU Rt1: ~ it; ~ '1ft ~ 'R ~ mr srfmter fA" 'liT af.«r ~ fiI;1:rr \ill ~ ? 0I'IITif ~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~ arR (tT). ~ ~ m (tT) ~ ~ "1ft f.!; ~ ~ "t 6lfT lfnmnm 'fiT iJV ( 'Ii) ~ ;:rqr ~ aJl'l!l;r it; o~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ r r 0fi'lI' ~ IRfIIm: ~ ~ iIiT 'liTMl!!" ~ r ~ 'fiT mrm, ~~ ~ ~ iIC!f.t iIiT ii'IT m f.!; : ~ ~ aJl'l!l;r it; ~ ~ ~ ('Ii) i!ln ~ " t f.f; ~ ;:rqr ~ 'fiT flrn ;ftfu it; arrtm: 'R iI11f- ~ aJl'l!l;r 3T'm ~ 'liT fir.m: filitmr f.I;lrr \ifm t; arR r ~ ~ it ~ ~~ (tT) ~ lfi[ "t f.f; ar.r ~ 'liT ~ 'it ~ it; fori!: ~ ~ 'liT ~ ~ ~ at ~ ~ 'flIT t, iI11f ~ ~ 'liT t f-;r;R;r mft' ~ am ~ 'R f.I;cr;ft;r;:rofu ~ iIiT ~~~~ r~ mf'li ~ ~ ;;nlrtft ; 151 Written Answer8 APRIL lS. 1969 Written Answer8 152 ~ (!if) mr 8IT1IT<: ~ ~ ~ f.mrf; (lIi) IfllT ~ ~ ~ m ~ iii ~ it ~ firn iffiIT it df' Additional Platform as Kalyan Station on the (II) ~ am:/apm ~ Central Railway f.rln;ff am: 6502. SHRI BASWANT: Will the (III) fcrn ~ ~ firn ~ ~ Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: - ~ ~ iii ~ "lf11"l>"f iii (a) whether it is a fact that Government ~ iii ar.rm dfNf ~ ~ :aq'- have drawn up a schemo to construct an ~ ~ ~ ~ additional platform for the suburban passen- iii iIiTIf-'f<'lTlll gers at Kalyan, Bombay on the Central it df'i'Il'f am: 1ITli"m iii 8IT1IT<: ~ ~ Railway; - . ft:Rr fifiit ~ ~ I (b) the cost involved there in and when its construction would be started and on ~ 1I'r.r it ~ iii ~ R- wicb side of the present platform the pro- ~ ~ "1ft mfir.r t I posed platform would be constructed; (c) whether it is also a fact that a home ~~~ ~ 'lim t ..r.t- platform is very essential there; and ~ -.it Iir.m (d) the details of any other change likely to be brought about there 7 950L lifT I!Q' ~ ~ IfllT ~~ ~ ~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) and (b). The ~~ I1"'JiT ~ ~ 'lit li'IT scheme is still under conaideration and baa mf.!;: not been finalised. ISS Written Answers APRIL IS, 1969 Wrilltflf Answers 156 (e) Yes. ~ ~ (WTo ~ P~ (d) Does not arise in view of reply to (iii) IR ..". ~ iIiT ~ ~ parts (a) and (b) above. ~ ~~ ~~ Extension of Loop Line on Lonavla-Poona it, ~ ~ '1ft ~ t, lIT6llIT6' ..". Line (Ceatral Railway) ~~~~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ 6503. SHRI BASWANT: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to O!ftt't,w it; ~ ~ arh: 'iIOf mifi state: ~ -it ~ ~ ;;it ~ 'fit ~ iI\ire' it; mil' ~ f.til!T iIm t I (a) the number of o ~ on Lonavla- m ;ro Poona line in Bombay region on the Central Railway, where loop line is proposed to be ~ ~ ef'Jf' it ~ mit; extended; ~ 12-ifiI<: ~ t<; ~ lit;;r;rr n: ~~ rr~ (b) whether i't is proposed to run some additional passenger trains and suburban trains on the aforesaid line; and Payment of Dirideads by South India Viscose Company Tamilnadu (c) if not, whether any other long-term plan has been drawn up to cope up with increasing traffic on that line and if so, the 6506. SHRI UMANATH: details thereof? SHRI K. RAMANI: SHRI P. RAMAMURTHI: SHRI NAMBIAR: THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) The loop lines at all the stations on Lonavla-Poona section Will tbC Minister of INDUSTRIAL are being extended. DEVELOPMENT, l'NTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to (b) No. This is not feasible at present. state: (c) Various proposals for coping with the (a) whether the South India Viscose traffic on this section are under examination. Company in Tamilnadu has paid any dividend to its shareholders for the years ~ if w.m IfRtI1rItr ~ ~ 1964 to 1967; (b) if so, the quantum of dividend paid 6504. ~ ~~~ each year; iRrf.r ..". il'IT ~ fiF : (c) whether the company has paid divi- (iii) 'fin ~ ~ if ~ am: dend for some years though it had incurred losses; and ~~ ~~~~ it; ~ 'RI' "" lfIit ~ ~ ~ (d) if so, the manner in which the Ift- am: ~~ m~ Olft'u 'fin t; amount was adjusted? am: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE ~ ~ ~ iFf ~ ~ 1964 49,00,000/- (c) whether it is a fact that over-crowding 1965 49,00,000/- still persists; and 1966 49,00,000/- 1967 29,40,0001- (d) if so, the steps Government. propose to take in the matter ? No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. Does Not arise. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a). Nos. 83Dn./ 84Up Agra Fort-Gangapur City passengers Introduction of New Passanger Tralu were extended to' run to and from Kota CI!l the Western RaHway w.e.f. 1-10-67. 6507. SHRI BRD RAJ SINGH: KOTAH: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased The, frequency of biweekly New Delhi- to state: - Bombay Central AC Expresses was increased to thrice a week from 11-2-67 and 2IDn./26Up (a) the number of new passenger trains Paschim Expresses introduced on the remain- introduced in the last three ye&rs covering ing 4 days in the week with effect from the sections between Agra, Nagda-Ratlam 11-7-68. and Agra-Kota-Bina lines on the Western Railway; (b) Tbe accommodation available by 83Dn./84Up Passengers and 2SDn./26Up (b) the names of the trains with full AC/Paschim Expresses in various classes is passenger state carrying capacity; UUDder: 83Dn./84Up 2SDn./26Up 2SDn./26Up Passengers AC Expresses Paschim Expresses (3 days a week) (4 days a week) I class A. C. C. 18 14 Fint class 18 24 96 Second class 20 Third class 551 160 475 A. ~ Chair Car 219 ------ (c) No. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE (d) Does not arise. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED) : (a) The Kota unit of Instrumen- tation Limited started commercial production Instrumentation Ltd. Kota, in September, 1968 but not to its full instaUed capacity. 6508. SHRI BRU RAJ SINGH: KOTAH: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- (b) The products being taken up for LOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND manufacture at the Kota unit are as COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: follows : (a) whether the Instrumentation Ltd., (i) A variety of thermocouples and Kota bas started regular commercial produc- thermometers. tion to its full installed capacity; and (ii) Magneto (iv) Multi·point electronic recording (al whether R/R No. 165206 dated the instruments 14th July, 1965 covering tank wagon No. sas5 containing mineral was loaded and (v) Fcrrodynamic primary and secoodary despatched on ale of Indian Oil Corporation instruments. ex.Siliguri to Got (U.P.) North Eastern Railway; (vi) Electronic regulaton. (b) if so, what kind of mineral and the (viil Panels and desks. quantity thereof the wagon contained; As the plant has started commercial (c) in case it was not delivered at Got, production of the above products only in . where and to whom delivered; . September 1968, it is too early to assess the likely savings in foreign exchange consequent (d) on what date the goods were to indigenous production. delivered; Production of IDStramentatloa LImited, (c) if not, the steps ~~ r ro o~ (b) The tank wagon was said to contain to take to meet tbe demand ? 18629 Iitres of Inferior kerosene oil. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (c) and (d). It was delivered on 31st DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE July, 1965 to Barauni Refinery at Barauni. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED) : (a) The assessed demand for the (e) Yes. The Branch Manager, Indian products of Instrumentation Limited, Kota is Oil Corporation, New Delhi lodged on N. E. of the order of Rs." crorers per IlDIlUDl Railway on 10-12·1965 a claim for campensa· towards the end of the Fourth Five Year tion for Rs. 6487.1Op for non·delivery of the Plan. ' consignment. On 18th March 1966 he was asked by the Railway to furnish original (b) and (c). If full production is achieved, Railway Receipt but same was not received. the existing capacity in both the public and On 13th April 1966 claimant was advised by the private sectors is adequate to meet the the Railway that the consignment was demand except for some types of highly received at Garbara under wrong entry and ipecialised and sophisticated types of instru· was made over to Barauni Refinery. On ments which are peculiar to certain indus- 16th December 1968 Superintendent, Indian tries. Oil Corporation, Gorakhpur sent a letter encloiing copies of four letteJ:s addressed by Loading and Despatch of Tank Wagon the Branch Manager, Indian Oil Corporation. es. Siligurl to Got (N. E. Rty.) New Delhi to the North·Eastern Railway, which were not traceable as having been 6510. SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI: received by, the Claims Office of that Railway. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased A fresh enquiry is being instituted by the to state: Railway to finalise the matter. 161 Written Answers CHAITRA 25, 18111 (SAKA) Written Answers 162 (0 No other cases of this nature arc received for industries in West Henpl. A pending between Indian Oil Corporation and number of these applications are still under North·Eastern and Northeast Frontier consideration and normally the details of Railways. applications on which decisions are yet to be taken are not publicised. Raid On Firms in DelIIi and Agra (b) and (c) : Details of all licences issued and revoked including names of 6511. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL: Will applicants, location of the undertakings and the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP· the items to be manufactured arc regularly MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM· published in the weekly "Bulletin of Indus- PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to refer to the trial Licences, Import Licences alld Export reply given to Unstarred Question No. 4303 Licences," the Weekly "Indian Trade Journal" on the 25th March, 1969 regarding raid on and the Monthly "Journal of Industry &: 'firms in Delhi and Agra and state : Trade." Copies of these publications are supplied to the Parliament Library. (a) the names of the finns who were raided at Delhi and Agra; and Applications for Settiag up of New Industries in West Bengal (b) the action taken against each firm for violation of Government Rules ? 6513. SHRI JUGAL, MONDAL : wU\ the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP· MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COM· mE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to refer to DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE the reply given to Unstarred Question No. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. 4369 on the 25th March, 1969 regarding AHMED) : (a) and (b). A statement 'is laid applications for setting up of new Industries on the Table of the House. [l'lace41n library. in West Bengal and state : See No. LT-773 !611.] (a) the names of the applicants \lith full Licences for Industries in West BeagaI particulars from whom applications were received; and 6512. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP· (b) the names of the applicants who MENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND were given licences and the action taken ~ COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to refer to the case of the remaining thirteen appli· the reply given to Unstarred Question No. cants ? 4285 on the 25th March, 1969 and state : THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (a) the names of the applicants who DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE applied for the grant of Industrial licences in AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. West Bengal during the last three years; AHMED) : (a) and (b). The names and parti· culars of 7 applications (out of 15) on which a (b) the names of the applicants who decision has been taken, indicating the decis- were issued Industrial licences and the ion taken in each case, arc given in the location of each factory and items to be statement laid on the Table of the House. manufactured; and ' [l'lacetUn Library. See. No. LT-774/69] (c) the particulars of those whose licences The remaining 8 applications arc still under have been revoked or surrendered during the consideration. Details of those applications above period ? on which final decisions arc yet to be taken are not normally publicized. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE Licence to Kamani Metal and AUoys Ltd., AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. Bcnallay AHMED) :(a) During the last three years, 342 applications for grant of industrial licences 6514. SHRI ARIUN SINGH under the Industries (D&R) Act, 1951 were BHADORIA : Will the Minister of 165 Written Answers CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 166 P..lT lfio ~: CfifT ~T R~ +t'ft (l:2r) ~'fi fqcn:ur ~-qc:~ ~ w 65)9. P..lT ~ tfRCf: 'ftl"f ~t{ f~ 'fll"T ~ I ~IIT mt am: ~roa- ~ Sf~ \3cQI<'l:Cf>1~cnfl;f1fi ~a-T (~ Gof) f~ ~~ ~~ IO ~ 5NlI IO m-~ 5NlI IO ~~ 5NlI Gof ~T~ f , s:roa- ~ ~~ 1,000 2,500 1, 016 1,600 1,000 1,800 2,000 1.000 fCf?li ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ (a) whether it is a fact that Government have abandoned the proposal for setting up a ~ ~ ~ ~ iKrr, Steel Casting Plant at wardha; and ~ r r~ r it ~ amrnr rn ('f) IlR ~ lI11f ~ ~ ~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) Yes, ~ ~ ~ oT f.lit a'd(<::lf4t SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH the Colleges in which these students were SHASTRI: studying; SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACHWAI: (c) The number of cases where guardians SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: furnished incorrect certificates in respect of their income and the nature of action taken Will the Minister of RAILWAYS against them; , be pleased to state: (d) the total number of complaints (a) whether it is a fact that some received since January, 1968 to date from students set fire to the Assistant Station the people as well as the Members of Parlia- Master's Room in Jamia Osmania Station ment for making enquiries in regard to on the Seconderabad Kaehiguda metre ,gauge income and the results of the action taken station on the 28th March, 1969; thereon; and (b) if so, whether Government have '(e) the allocation'made for scholarships enquired into the incident; for the Colleses and Polytechnic Colleses in Delhi durin$ 1968-69? (c) if so, result thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE (d) loss suffered by Government? DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE (DR. SHRIMATI PHULRENU GUHA): (a), THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS and (e). The details are being collected from the (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a). Yes. Union Territory Administration and will be laid on the Table of the House when received. (b) and (c), A case has been resistered by the Police and its investigation has since been (b) Attention is invited to the answer taken over by the Crime Branch of the given to Lok Sabha Unstarred Question C.I.D. State Government bas also ordered No. 3508 on 18-3-1969 wherein the highest a Magisterial enquiry which is pending and lowest income levels of the guardians completion. have been indicated. The time and labour involved in collecting the other details would not be commensurate with the purpose of- (d) Rs. 2,782/- approximately. the Hon'ble Member has in view. If details of specific suspicious cases are fur- Allocation to Delhi Polytedmlcs of nished, a special investigation could be Scholarship to Scheduled Caste/ undertaken. Scheduled Tribe Students (c) and (d). Attention is invited to the 6524. SHRI NIHAL SINGH: Will assurance fulfilled'in reply to the Lok Sabha the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL Unstarred Question No. 13 dated the 11th WELFARE be pleased to refer to the reply November, 1968. given to Unstafred Question No. 9430 on the 3rd May, 1968 and state: No specific complaint in regard to the income of any particular candidates parent / (a) the ratio and rates accOrding to guardian was received. which the allocation nf Rs. 5,60,000 for 1967-68 was distributed among 813 students Experts from Foreign Countries and the balance thereof; 652'. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM: (b) the income of the guardians of these Will the Minister of STEEL AND HEAVY 813 students and their profession separately, ENGINEERING be pleased to refer to the the number of the members of their families reply given to Started Question No. 32 on dependent on each of them and the names of the 12th November 1968 and state: 171 Writ/en Answers APRIL IS, 1969 Written Answers 172 (a) whether it is a fact that the majo- (d) if so, whether Government propose rity of experts who come from foreign to investigate the footing and stability of the countries are only ordinary technicians and said firm by the C. B. I. and to take action they are not better experts than Indians; against the officers involved ? (b) whether it is also a fact that THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL Government do not go into the details of DEVEWPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE the experiencc-cum-cfficiency of the experts AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. before they are allowed to come; and AHMm}): (a) The firm MIs. Indian Inter- nationai Corporation, Bazar Sita Ram, is sitnated within the Licensing Iurisdiction of (c) if the experts do not prove their the Ioint Chief Controller of Imports and worth, whether Government have made Exports, Central Licensing Area, New Delhi . . provisions in the existing contract to send Neither this Office nor the C. G. Division at them back earlier? the Head Quarters of Chief Controi!ler of Imports and Exports have received any appli- mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cation from this party for o~ of Electric MINISTRY OF STEEL AND HEAVY Saw Machines during 1967-68 and 1968-69. ENGINEERING (SHRI K. C. PANT): (a) No, Sir. (b) to (d). Do not arise. (b) No, Sir. Decree Against South-Central Railwav (c) An expert's period of deputation can be cUrtailed in case his services are not considered ~ r or the specific work for 6527. SHRI S. A. AGADI: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS pleased to state: which he has been deputed has been comp- be leted or the level of expertise is found to be below expectations. UDloadiDg of Wagoos at New DeIhl Of course, demurrage and wharfage Statloo charges were also levied. 6528. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: SHRI A. SREEDHARAN : Will the minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state : 6529. eft ~o ~o ;;im\' : om ~ (a) whether it is a fact that the working ~ ~~ at the New Delhi Railway Station and at Tughlakabad Railway Yard has been disrupted (iF) om ~ 'FT !;lfA ~ iJit because of the merchants not unloading ~~ ~ iJlO' ~~ hundreds of wagons for several days ; 'liT aiR fu;rm t fiF ~ ~ it ~~ m- (c) the steps taken by the Railways to (l!J') ~ ~ it ~ iJit om settle the dispute ? ~~ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. (if) om ~ if ;;r;RJT 'liT ~ 1Ji1r RAM SUBHAG SINGH) : (a) It is true that in the month of March, 1969, -there was an il; ~ it ~ ~~ 'FUlIT t: am: abnormal hold-up of wagons at Tughlakabad awaiting unloading, because removals 'did ~ ~ cit ~ om ~ not keep pace with unloading, but the work at this station was not allowed to be disrupted f.morrt ? by restricting of traffic to JUghlakabad. The position is already normal and the restriction ~ ~ (-.to ~ !ltIT ~ : has been removed. (iF) ~ ~ I So far as New Delhi is concerned, there (l!J') ~ ~ ~ ~ m- il; was no unusual hold-up of wagons. am: oif;lr ~ ~ "1m' il; ~ ~ ~~ r r - (b) So far as the Railway have been able f'flrr iJlO' t I :;{fiI; ~ m "1m' 'I<: t to ascertain, there was a glut in the coal ~ ~ ~~ ~ market at Delhi and there were disputes betwccn the consignors and the consignees rr~ r femr;ft ~ I ~ 'liT ;ffl1rri; ;:f\'ftf as regards quality of coal, price, etc. This If&: fit; ~ otml 'FT f.nrivr resulted in coal unloaded not being removed t am: m from railway premises and consequentially ;r fiI;l:rr ~ I ~ crr.=rr r ~ oif;lr ~ laded wagons getting held up. . <'1m' il; f.nrivr it; ~ lffir11mr ~ afrf;ror ~ I (c) The Railway naturally could not t undertake 'to settle the disputes between the consignors and the consignees. r~ &1i\' ~ IIIit ~ Q ~ ..-r.n The Divisional authorities held meetings with merchants to persuade them to remove 6530. eft ~o ~o ;;im\' : om ~ the goods. Notices were served on the ~ ~~ : consignccs under Section S6 of the Indian Railways Act caling upon them to remove (iF) om ij"(lffi 'FT flRn: ~ ~ the goods. Some wagons loaded with coal ~ ~ were diverted to Delhi Safdarjang and (iffill' iJit ulit "1m' lfil unloaded there. ~ it;;r "1m' it ;ro;A 'FT t, 175 Writtell A.",we,s APRIL IS, 1969 W,;lIell A.",we,s 176 ( ~ IflIT \ffl n it; f.r;n'fulif, 0lfT' (a) when the Industrial Jewels, Bombay, (c) The Khadi & Village Industries Com- Jaipur Metals and E1ectricals and Birla Cotton mission proposes to take into account the spinning and Weaving Mills Ltd., Delhi had selling capacity as well as the need for provi- applied for licences and .the time when these started functioning;' ding employment in deciding upon the quan- tum of production .. (b) the terms and conditions wbich were laid down for running these companies and More passenger amenities during Fourth Plan the articles being produced by them; and 6533. SHRI SHIV A CHANDRA JHA: (c) the total production of the said con- cerns since they.were started ? Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (a) what specific amenities for the DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE passengers are going to be introduced in the AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. Railways during the Fourth Plan Period, with AHMED) : details thereof; and (a) to (c). the information is being (b) if not, the reasons therefor? collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) No Fall in production of Khadi new types of passenger amenities are planded to be introduced in the Fourth Plan 6532. SHRI TULSIDAS DASAPPA : Will Period. HOWC\"er, there will be removal the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- of deficiencies in the existing type of 8JIIC!Ii- MENT INTERNAL TRADE AND COM- ties, where they misht be existing, to the PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : extent possible with in available resources. 177 Writ/en Answers CHAJTRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 178 Details of specific items to be provided are (a) whether Government have finalised worked out on an annual basis and not for a their policy about The Khadi and Village whole Plan period. Industries for the Fourth plan period ; (b) Till the position about the existing (b) if so, the details thereof; and type of amenities is consolidated it is not prudent to venture on new types. c~ if not, the reasons therefor? Benami Shareholders THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE 6534. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA : AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL F. A. AHMED): (a) while it continues to DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE . be the aim of the Government to promote AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to the development of Khadi and Village Indus- state: tries with a view to effecting sizeable improvement in the rural economy, the details (a) whether it is a fact that there are of the all ocations for Khadi and Village benami shareholders and banamidars; Industries for the Fourth Plan have been finalised. (b) if so, the total number of benami shareholdings and benamidars at present in (b) Does not arise. the country; (c) The matter is under consideration. (e) who are these benami shareholders; and Export of Steel and Heavy Engineering Goods to U.S.A. (d) whether Government have received any complaint about them and if so, the action taken against them so far? 6536. SHRI SHIV A CHANDRA JHA: will the Minister of STEEL AND HEAVY THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL ENGINEERING be pleased to state: DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F.A. AHMED) (a) whether it is a fact that India exports (a) Though there is a general feeling that steel and heavy engineering goods to the there are benami shareholders and benami- United States ; dars, there is no authentic information regar- ding the extent and identity of such benami (b) if so, the total quantity exported to shareholders and benamidars. Under the the U.S.A. in 1968 and the foreign exchange provisions of the Companies Act, 1956, no earned therefrom; and return need be filed, indicating the shares held benami and as such no details regarding (c) if not, the reasons therefor? such benami holdings are available. THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND (b) and (c). Do not arise. HEAVY ENGINEERING (SHRI C.M. POONACHA): (a) Yes. (d) No specific complaint in this regard has come to our notice in the recent past (b) As stated in reply to Unstaned warranting action under section 249 of the Question No. 1080 by Shri Hukant Chand Companies Act. Kachwai on 25th February, J969, 1168.44 tonnes of steel valued at Rs. 664,404 (f. o. b) Khadi and Village Industries in Fourth Plan were exported to USA during the period from 1st January, J967 to JOth November, 1968. 6535. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA : It is understood that the export of all engi- Will the Minister .of INDUSTRIAL neering products to USA during 1967-68 DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE amounted in value to Rs. 2.54 erares. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to Separate statistics of the export of heavy state: engineering products only are not available. 179 Wrillen Answers APRIL 15, 1969 Writt." Answers 180 (c) Does not arise. Pradesh during the Fourth Plan period. A Survey for a new line from Rampur to Capital Panilluaent for Violation of Haldwani (in U. P.) has been undertaken and Untoudlability Law further consideration to this proposal will be given after the survey is completed. 6537. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA: Will the Minister of LAW AND SOCIAL Pilferage of material from Hindustan Steel WELFARE be pleased to state: Ltd. (a) whether it is a fact that Government 6539. SHRIMATI ILA PALCHO- are plannill8 to indroduce capital punishment UDHURI: Will the Minister of STEEL AND for the violation of the untouchability law in HEAVY ENGINEERING be pleased to the country; state: (b) if so, when; and (a) whether any complaint addressed to the Central Bureau of Investigation, Ministry (c) if not, the reasons therefor? of Home Affairs, Government of India regarding pilferage of material worth Rs. 45 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE crores from Hindustan Steel Ltd.-Durgapur MINISTRY OF LAW AND IN THE DE- Projoct, by several Parties named therein bas PARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE. (DR. been received in his Ministry; SHRIMAll PHULRENUGUHA): (a)No, Sir. (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto; (b) Does not arise. and (c) Government does not consider such (c) the steps taken, if any, in connection a step necessary. Modern thought favours therewith? abolition of capital punishment even for the most hinous offences. THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND HEAVY ENGINEERING (SHRI C. M. POONACHA): (a). Yes, Sir; a copy of the New Railway Lilies in U. P. anonymous complaint addressed to the Cen- tral Bureau of Investigation was received in 6538. SHRI VISHWA NATH PANDEY: this Ministry. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (b) and (c). It is understood from the Central Bureau of Investigation that this (a) whether it is a fact that Government being an anonymous complaint containill8 have no programme for laying any new Rail- Chlll'JlCS of a general nature, no action is way Lines in Uttar Pradesh State during the feasible on their part. As far as the Dur- Fourth Five Year Plan; ppur Steel Plant authorities are conecerned, apart from the normal security measures (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and instituted for prcventill8 the unauthorised removal or pilferage of material from the (c) if the answer to part (a) above be in premises of the Steel Plant, any specific in5- the negative, the details of the new Railway tance of malpractice on the part of the lines ? staff of the Steel Plant or other public servant is always enquired into, and if such THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. specific instances are brought to notice here- RAM SUBHAG SINGH): (a) to (c). Railway after, they will be certainly looked into with development is not envisaged on any state- a view to appropriate actioR being taken. wise or region-wise concepts, but on overall development c:oosiderations in the National ~ if ~~ ~ ~ an;n interest. As the proposals of new lines to be c:oostructed during the Fourth Plan have not ~ yet been finalised, it is too early to say which, 6540 .• (q1Ifl : if any, new lines will be constructed in Uttar ~~ 181 Re. Procedure CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) ill the House 182 ~~~ something. The Question Hour is over now. As soon as the Question Hour is l1<1T ~ ~ ~ ~ ;tr 'rIT m over, what happens is that people just get fi!;: up and mention anything they like. They have called it the zero hour. I am trying ~ ~ ~~ ~ to see that there is no zero hour at all in this Parliament; there cannot be any zero ~ ~~ ~ ro hour because we have framed the rules 'R: 1¢-t ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ \'R ~ ~ ~ ~~ iF ~ ~ ~ 'liT ~ 'Im:Uf ~ ;tr ~ ~ ;tr ~ E\Ci'ITtI;' am: ~ iF my MR. SPEAKER: Writing does not ~~~ ~ ~ mean that the Member has a right to get up and spesk, because every Member can send ~ ~~~~ I ~~~ a slip or paper and then get up and say iF ~ ii" wm <'If.t iF foro: ~ ~ something. Is that proper? Writing does not mean permission. I am not interested ~ fi!;zrr ;;rr ~ ~ I wwr in shutting out anybody; if that is the desire 12 brs. of the House or of hon. Members, Jet them have it, so that everybody can get up and RE: PROCEDURE IN THE HOUSE shout, and then I cannot help it. Every day it is becoming a headache for me; some SOME HON. MEMBERS rose- Members get up and say something and then I tell them 'No, no, I would not allow', MR. SPEAKER: Before anybody gets and I shout and they shout; my goodness, up to say something, I want myself to say I do not know where we are going. 183 Re. Procedure in the House APRIL 15, 1969 Papers Laid 184 SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Supposing we So far as today is concerned, I have not want to say something under the rules ? yet permitted anybody. Therefore; let us put this into practice today itself; for the MR. SPEAKER: I know that. The first time today, let us see that nobody raises rule clearly says that it is with the permission anything without permission. Since I have of the Speaker. If anybody can show me not officially given permission to anyone, no any rule where the permission of the Speaker one need get up to say anything now. is not required, I am prepared to allow. . SHRI KARTIK ORAON (Lohardaga): SHRI S. M. BANARJEE: Rule 340 does May I just say only one thing? not say that. MR. SPEAKER : Just now I have said MR. SPEAKER: When I am saying that I have not permitted anybody. The something, Shri S. M. Banerjee gets up and Opposition Members have not got up to interrupts. say anything, but I find that a Congress member is getting up. The Congress Party AN HON. MEMBER: Shri S. M. does not help me; that is my difficulty. Banerjee always gets up and interrupts. MR. SPEAKER: Let not Shri S. M. Banerjee get that credit for himself that he 12.03 hours always gets up and interrupts. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE I was saying that let liS make this position clear once and for all. Every day ~ AND LICENSING OF I am feeling a little unhappy about it. After INDUSTRIAL UNDERTAKINGS (AMFND- all, senior colleagues and leaders of panics MENT) RULES and others must help me. If they want to change the rule SO as to provide that the THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL ~ Speaker's consent is necessary, all right, DEVELOPMENT, INTERNAL TRADE let them do so.· .... AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A. AHMED): I beg to lay on the Table- SHRI NAMBlAR (Tiruchirapalli): We can raise matters which are of great impor- (I) A copy of the Registration and Licen- tance to this vast country ...... sing of Industrial Undertakings (Amendment) Rules, 1968, published in Notification No. MR. SPEAKER: If Hon. Members G. S. R. 2187 in Gazette of India dated the want to raise such things, let them change 21st December, 1968, under sub-section (4) of the rule; we shall keep apart half an hour section 30 of the Industries (Development and every day when Hon. Members can have Regulation) Act, 1951. that time for themselves, and Speaker's permission would not be necessary; let us (2) A statement showing reasons for delay see who will succeed; only he who is loudest in laying the above Notification. will succeed, and I shall keep quiet. But if hon. Members want the rules to be [Placed in Library, See No. LT-757f69] followed, the mere fact that they have written to me is not enough. The Speaker PAPERS UNDER COMPANIES ACT must call a Member and ask him to say and then only he can get up and say what THE MINISTER OF· STATE IN THE he wants. When the leaders of groups MINISTRY OF PETRO-CHEMICALS AND write to me, generally I have permitted MINES AND METALS (SHRI JAGANATH them; it is not as though_I shall not permit RAO): [ beg to lay on the Table a copy each anyone at al\; I have permitted the leaders of the following papers (Hindi and English of groups. But what is happening is versions) under sub-section (I) of section 619A becoming a painful thing for me every day. of the Companies Act, 1956:- 185 Suspension of CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Rule JJ8 186 (l) Review by the Government on the "That Rule 338 of the Rules of Proce- working of the National Coal Development dure and Conduct of Business in Lok Corporation Limited, Ranchi, for the year Sabha in its application to the motion 1967-68. for taking into consideration of the Constitution (Twenty-second Amend- (2) Annual Report of the National Coal ment) Bill, 1969, be suspended". Development Corporation Limited, Ranchi. foc the year 1967-68 along with the Audited MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved : Accounts and the Comments of the Comp- ''That Rule 338 of the Rules of Proce- troller and Auditor General thereon. dure and Conduct of Business in Lok [Placed in Library. See No. LT-7S8/691 Sabha in its application to the motion for taking into consideration of the Constitution (Twenty-second Amend- ESTIMATES COMMITTEE ment) Bill, 1969, be suspended". STATEMENT RE: REPLIES TO RECOM- Ilft ~ ,,)q ( ~ ) : r~ MENDATIONS ~ SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH .... ·(Nandyal): I beg to lay on the Table a State MR. SPEAKER: I thought he had spoken ment showing final replies to recommendations on that. included in Chapter V of the Sixty-third Shri Vajpayee had proposed some amen- Report of the Estimates Committee which dment. were not furnished by Government in time for inclusion in the Report. Ilft ~ ,,)mr: ~~ '!f't\' an;:;r lfiI: fq'flT ~ ~ if ~ ~ PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE ~ ~~ ~ ~ FORTY-FIFTH REPORT m1R' arm wfont il ~ I f.rl:nr 338 ~ ;r;mrr SHRI M. R. MASANI (Rajkot): I beg t m to present the Forty-fifth Report of the Public ;m ~ f't\' fom f'flflT ~ ~~~ ~ Accounts Committee on action taken by ~~ ~~ [..ft ...~ aflm;r] \!:iff ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ wrcr ~ ~ t flI; ~ aqRm t I fit; 1!;'F ~ iIR 1!;'F 'U'ilf m ~ q1f SHRI S. 'M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): I qfScf ~ ~ lJlf!f if I ~ ~ if ~ want to oppose him. iI"IT I ~ ~ ~ gt I ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ar<'ftT ~ mro r o~r r I' ;,,;-:~ . ~ .;n7''""'71("';71 ~ r r ~ J.-?,i't" r ~ rf. irr ffJ(P) 061 arr ~ (nlYs) 1681 'sz VlI.LIVlD 10 uo!&uadsns 681 i91 Constitution (22nd Arndt.) Bill APRIL IS, 1969 Constitution (22nd Amdt.) Bill 192 With your permission. Mr. Speaker, ~ ~ ~~ shall just repeat what I said before. ~ r ~ ~ T-'f"'.,.G..",J.O SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY (Cooch· Behar): On a point of order. The whole ""-'i L?l:! ~u ~ Li Cot Bill brought before us gives us the idea for c: having a new State or one more State under ~ ~ ~ ~ c ~ r r our Constitution. Though it has been worded most guardedly-it says 'an autonomous ~ .LcJrf"J)JJ./(:J1·0 State' tor all intents and purposes it creates a new State. My· point of order arises ~ ~ ~ under rule 376 (I):. Under article 2 of our Constitution, Parliament may by law admit r~ ~ ~~ rc .I.IJ into the Union or establish, new States on ~ ~ such terms and conditions as it thinks fit. cl,v.:? Under article 3, PJlrliament may by law form a new State by separation of territories ~~ from any State or by uniting two or more MR. SPEAKER: This is a motion under States or parts of States or by uniting any rule 388 for· the suspension of rule 338. territory to a part of any State. There is The hon. Member speaks of U. P., Andhra a provision which says: and other places. One should not speak on the merits of the Bill now. The question is: "Provided that no Bill for the purpose shall be introduced in either House "That Rule 338 of the Rules of of Parliament except on the recommen· Procedure and Conduct of Business in dalion of the President and unless, Lok Sabha in its application to the where the proposal contained in the motion for taking into consideration Bill affects the area. boundaries or of the Constitution (Twenty.second name of any of the States, the Bill has Amendment) Bill, 1969 be suspended." been referred by the President to the Legislature of that State for expressing its views thereon withi" such period as The motion ...as a:Jopted may be specified in the reference or within such further period as the 1l.1l hn. President may anow and the period so specified or anowed has expired." CONSTITUTION (TWENTY·SECOND AMENDMENT) BILL We are having a new State by the name of 'autonomous State'. MR. SPEAKER: The House will now take up the Constitution Amendment Bill MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of for which two hours had been allotted. order; you can speak on this later on, not I propose to put the motion for considera· now. tion to vote at about 3 P.M. and thereafter the clauses and the motion for passing SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: I am between 3'and 4 P.M. I say this so that the finishing in one minute. House may know the time and they may all be here. To have a new State, it requires the recommendation of the President. Not THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS only that. The recommendation of the (SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN): I move:* State legislature is also necessary. In this case, we find in the Bill that the recommen- "That the Bill further to amend the dation of the President has been obtained Constitution of India, be taken into under article 117 (I) and (3) but no such ----consideration.·' recommendation has been obtained under "Moved with the recommendation of the President. 193 Constitution (22nd Amdt.) CHAITRA 25. 1891 (SAKAI Constitution (22nd Arndt.) 194 Bill Bill article 3. The recommendation of the certain subjects like law and order, etc. President is necessary under that article. There will be certainly only some financial arrangements which will have to be made I have other points of order also. because even at present certain financial grants are made from the Central Govern- MR. SPEAKER: In the guise of making ment to the Assam State for the purposes points of order, to make speeches like this of tribal areas as well. So, this i. the . is most unfair. You are going into the general scheme of things. merits of the Bill and the reorganisation matters. You have a right, of course, to oppose the Bill, but please do not call it as Some Members did make mention of a point of order. Will you kindly sit down certain things. When this question was now? Shri Chavan. discussed at the level of the Joint Com- mittee; many objections were raised. There SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: Sir, we know the were two or three alternative solutions which history of this Bill. The problem of the were suggested. One oC them was to give tribal areas of Assam has a long history. full Statehood to that area. As I said, we Before Independence, they were scheduled and do not want to have a large number oC excluded areas. After that, they became smaller States. The hon. Member Shri part of the Assam State. Later on, the dem- Abdul Ghani Dar, when he raised certain and for certain recognition of their political objections to the Bill, said that we are personality was made. There were many trying to have a large number of small States. discussions at many stages between the leaders It is precisely Cor that reason of not having and the Government of India. At one a large number of small States that we stage, the principle was conceded that within decided to have an autonomous State within the framework of the Assam State, they will Assam. be given full autonomy for the political expre- ssion of their problems. This question was The other suggestion that was made considered many times at the committee was to treat 'every autonomous district as a level, and the last Commission which went Union territory. This suggestion came into the problem was the Pataskar Com- particularly Crom the hon. Members Crom mIssIon. That report came about three or the Jan Sangh. They thought that it is much four years ago, and it was found that there better to have every autonomous district as was no general agreement about the recom- a Union territory. mendations of the Pataskar Commission's report. Therefore, further negotiations and discussions were held and for two or three SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI years this tortuoUs process of talks and discus- (Bhopal): Who said? sions went on. As a result of many discussions, ultimately the statement was SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: They wanted made last year in September. This Bill is to have every autonomous district treated based on the general consensus that was as a Union territory. (Interruption) Their arrived at as a result of those discussions. main point was this. I know that their thinking attach as more importance to the The general feature of the whole scheme security aspect of the problem. I would is tbat the integrity of the Assam State will like to tell them that we also attach equal be maiJltained, but, at the same time, the importance to the problem of security. autonomous State will be created within the And they thought that by creating the Union framework of the Assam State which will territories, the Central supervision wi.11 have a personality of its own in the sense always be there. That was their approach. that it will have certain legislati .... functions But I find that this will deCeat the very and certain executive functions. In order to objective that we are trying to achieve. assert their legislative functions. there will be a because when we say that these people legislature of their own, and to exercise their must have some political forum where they executive powers there will be a Council of can express themselves-a legislative Corum- Ministers. There will be certain subjects and exercise their executive power, having a transferred from the State list, barring Union territory does not meet that problem. 195 Constitution (22nd Amdt.) Bill APRIL IS, 1969 Constitution (22nd Amdt.) Bill 196 '[Shri Y. B. Chavan] The other amendments are some what Having a large number of Union Terri- technical amendments. Somebody has said tories will ultimately defeat the very purpose that any furtber amendments in the scheme from even the security point of view. of things should be passed merely by a scheme Therefore, the two alternatives were not majority. I remember at least one member alternatives as such. Therefore, the Joint has put in a contradictory amendment saying that it should be passed by a simple majority Committee, by a majority vote, supported the original Bill that was plaoed before them. and at the same time, it should be treated That very Bill is now before the House for as a .. constitutional amendment. This is a its consideration and I would recommend ...... contndliction in terms. SHRI RANGA (Srikakulam) : Kindly SHRI NAMBIAR (Tiruchirapally) : say something about the amendments. Certain members want that the two-tbirds majority should not be required. SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN : The main amendment has come from Mr. Madhu SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: We have pro- Limaye that we should have a provision vided for two tbirds majority for a simple here to have similar autonomous States in amendment of the law where distribution of other States alSO'. Firstly, this will be an legislative and executive functions are con- advice of despair to apply the same princi- cerned. For that, it will require two-thirds ples to a\l the areas. On merits, this is a majority of members prescot. The require- very dangerous suggestion, because we cannot ments of article 368 are quite different. accept the principle to have such type of That article also requires a majority of the States in every State. It is giving an invita- total membership of the House. Here we tion to start trouble in other States. If at are saying, two-thirds of the members present all Parliament in its own wisdom decides to and voting in tbe House is enough. It is do it, this is not the article where we can do made a little more difficult than a simple it. That has to be considered separately. majority, because the most important factor That is a technical argument. is that the whole scheme is based on the I would like to make the Government's distribution of legislative and executive position very clear. It is . not our intention functions and we do not want that to be to start this process of having autonomous treated light-heartedly. I am sure that if States within States everywhere. That will Parliament in course of time decides to be the beginning of disintegration of the amend the Act, it will have to be done for country. The tribal problem of Assam has all practical purposes on the basis of a its own special features. Even today they certain consensus arrived at between the are autonomous districts and a special parties COl)CCmed. I do not think Parlia- treatment is given to them. Assam's is ment will undertake the responsibility to absolutely a separate case by itself and it disturb the agreement reached there. This cannot be compared with any other State. provision of amendment by two-thirds majority is a safe guarantee for not making The second amendment is about partly light-hearted changes. nominated and partly elected legislature. This provision is an enabling provision. SHRI HEM BARUA (Mangaldai) : Have Whether we should have nomination, what you not violated article 368 which stipulates should be the method of nomination, etc. two-thirds majority of tbe members are matters which can be considered at the present and voting and a majority of the stage of the consideration of the Reorgani- total membership of the House ? sation Bill as such. The constitutional amendment certainly provides for the possi- SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN : Not at all. bility of having a certain nominated element if the minorities in that part of the State The bon. member raised this point last feel that they should have representation. time also. He also moved an amendment I think it is much better even for the people last time. The provision tbat is made here who want an autonomous State to give this is not something that we have made for the assurance to tbe minorities through such a lint time. I would like the hon. Member provision. to read article 239A. Article 239A was 197 Constitution (22nd Anuit.) CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Constitution (22nd Anuit.) 198 Bill Bill added for the purpose of Himachal Pradesh, able to finish it today. Therefore, I would Manipur etc. There also the wording is : appeal to hon. Members to be brief. "239A (2) Any such law as is referred to SURI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: Sir, in clause (1) shall not be deemed to I have anotber point of order. be an amendment of this Consti- tution for the purposes of article MR. SPEAKER : I will bear your point 368 not withstanding that it c0n- of order but you may not get any time to tains any provision whieh amends speak. or has the effect of amending this Constitution." SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: Sir, if you are satisfied that tbe Financial Memo- We are taking the same phraseology for randum is all rigbt I will sit down. I will the purpose of this amending Bill because simply refer you to one line in tbe Financial it is likely to be incidentally a consequential Memorandum. It has been stated tbere : amendment of the Constitution and it is not necessary for that purpose to treat that "It is not possible to estimate tbe precise amendment as an amendment of the Consti- quantum of the grants whieh will have tution and make the entire functioning of to be given to tbe autonomous State as the law rather difficult. Therefore, this is this would depend on tbe areas wbicb not for the first time that we have made a will ultimately form part of tbe auto- provision like this in the Constitution and nomous State and the schemes of the fear that we are violating article 368 is development that may be approved from not tenable. time to time." MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved : But what do we find in Rule 69 ? It is stated there : "That the Bill further to amend the Constitution of India, be taken into "A Bill involving expenditure shall be consideration." accompanied by a financial memorandum whicb shall invite particular attention Is Shri Dar moving his amendment? to the clauses involving expenditure and sball also give an estimate of the recur- He wants the Bill to be circulated for ring and non-recurring expenditure opinion. involved in case the Bill is passed Tnto law." ' SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR (Gurgaon): Sir, I beg to move : Here in tbe Financial Memorandum it is said that it is not possible to give any esti- "That the Bill be circulated for the mate. That is what has been stated in the purpose of eleciting opinion thereon by Financial Memorandum by the hon. Minister the 30th June, 1969." in charge of the Bill. If you are satisfied, Sir, that the Financial Memorandum is all MR. SPEAKER: Now both the motions right, then I will sit down. are before the House. A number of parties hav,e already sent in their chits indicating the SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: As a matter of name of the Member who wants to speak. fact, this is a rather very strange argument Some individual Members have also given that the hon. Member has made. We have their chits. At this rate it would not be said there are two types of grants given by possible to put this to vote by 3'00 P. M. I the Government of India to Assam State. would request bon. Members to be very One is to cover up the revenue deficit of the brief and conclude their remarks in tbree to Seheduled Area which amount incidentally is five minutes. Let us keep up the time limit Rs. 40 lakhs. That amount is certain. What so that we will not go into the time allotted is going to be the size of the area is stm for tbe Demands for Grants relating to tbe uncertain at the present mnment. We. have Ministry of Social Welfare. Three full bours given scope for Mikir Hills and North Cachar are left for those Demands and we will be to make their choice. If you see the state- 199 Constimtion (22nd Amdt.) Bill APRIL IS, 1969 Constitution (22nd Amdt.) Bill 200 [Shri Y. B. Chavanl ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ C::T fur;r.r ment made on 11th September you will find 'Iiirfurt ~ I ~ ~ fur;r.r 'Iiirfurt the details of the whole scheme. If the entire area i. included in the scheme then the ~ ~ ~~~ sum i. Rs. 40 lakhs and if only a portion of ~ 'IT, fu;n!f ~ fm ~ l!iT ~ the area comes under the scheme then the amount will have to be proportion of Rs. 40 ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~ lakhs. The second &rant is for bringing the ..-.rT ~ ~ ~ r ~ ~ m:r ~ level of administration and development of r ~ ~ it ~ it; ;m: ~ that area to the level obtaining in Assam. What that amount can be for development ili<:MI ~ ~~ ~ purposes cannot be estimated. Therefore, r ~ r ~~ c I ~ ~ what the principle is, has been indicated. ~ ~ m"lft ~ SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: May it ~ ffif'li ~ fiflr.r ;r ~ I W ~ I submit, Sir ...... ~ ~~ ~ MR. SPEAKER.: No, please. We have heard you and you have also heard the ~ ~ ~ fiif<'l" ~ ~ Minister's reply. ~ ~ 'I1T.r'Ii 'fl: ~ t.rr ~ ffif'li ~ it; 'f'imI" ~ ~ ~ r SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: Is there any rule under which the Bill can be ;;it W ~ it; l'ITf0f'li t, artA"r "Ulf ~ f'li considered by this august House starting in ~ fiR ~ it ~ ~ ~ ~ a vacuum? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ;w);ff it m: ~ MR. SPEAKER: Shri Dar may speak ~ ffif'li f< .. .., r", ,,"11, ~ f<;r1q- for three or four minutes on his motion for ~ W ~ it ;r ti;or n- lIT ~ circulation. ;w);ff it m:r ~ ~ ~ ~ it ~ ~~ tt ~ 'liilfZlrt ;ocrm ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ar;;f ~ I tt lI10 ~ ~ ~ 'tif, ~ l!iT 'AU ~ ~ garr ~ ~ ;iT 1f'ff it; iI1h: ~ it; ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 0I1RfT ~ ~ ~ m-tm<:r ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ rr ~ ~ r~ ~~ ~~ it; ~ ~ ~ ~ l"Jit, ~ am: SHRI RANGA : Speaker, Sir, I rise to mind and try to see in their negotiations with support this motion for consideration. We the leaders of Assam as a whole and do . are in favour of this Bill. We supported it something in order to satisfy their needs, on the last occasion also. We want it to their demands and their feelings. be passed as soon as possible and I hope it will be ~ today by this House. In addition to that we have given notice of a number of amendments, not with a view We appreciate the scheme also that has to making it difficult for the Government to been propounded in regard to this matter. get thit )egislation passed but, on the other I need not go into it in any detail because hand, 'to give an opportunity to the Govern- the Home Minister has already explained ment to give some consideration to this what it is like. It is to help those people, particular thought also that we have placed so .the people of the Hill areas, to devolop prominently in the shape of these amend- their political personality and alSo to decide ments before this House and the Govern- what kind of social economy they would ment. like to have and also how, whatever funds would be available, the funds available should be made uSC;, of in order that their Goveromet have said through th, Home areas and their people could be developed. Minister that they are not interested in As I have said on the earlier occasion we increasing the number of States. I cannot would like, in actual practice, the Govern- agree wilh him. These things have g)t to be ment of India and also the lerders of Assam (!ecided in accordance with the changing to take the necessary steps in conformity conditions of our cOlIDtry. We need not with the Constitution to help their Rani send out a kind of an invitation for demands Guidalu and her people to come into this for more and more States but, at the same particular c ~ in and around it, in an time, we should not also make it too difficult; honourable manner so that we a/l over we should not continue to make too difficult India will have the satisfaction that one of for ourselves in Parliament, for the Govern- the great freedom fighters could be brought ment and for the people also if and when in an honourable fashion. they find it necessary to increase the numher of States in certain areas. Secondly, there are the people of Cachar. They have been asking for some kind of an If w. do DOt have separate States and autonomy. I do not find any provision in increase their number, what is the next ~ this for that. I do not know what the thing that one can do? It is to move in the Government of India would like to do in direction in which this particular Bill indi- order to satisfy their leBitimate demands. cates, that is, to have an u~o o ou State They have had a very raw deal in the recent wilhin a parlicular Sta'e which is already past. there so that it ou~d b, possible for cer- tain sections of the people, if they feel so SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHUR Y : They strongly about it and if th')' are able to con- are not sympathetic to them. vince the Goveroment of India as 'well as Parliament to live to them an autonomou, SHRI RANGA : It is about them that State, to have it. I am saying. We have got some am,ndm,nts here in They have strong feelings. They came to the name of Shri Narayana Reddy, Shri us also and we were hoping that something Ma ihu Limaye and other people in regard would be done in the course of this particular to Andhra. I have already said quite effort that Parliament would be making to a number of things about this demand of the pass this legislation. I find that there is not people of Telanpna for a separate State. much scope for them to have any kind of a Government is not willing to give it. But. separate development of thier own social, there is a bunt/h loins on today or tomorrow economic and political personality. I would and there is a tremendous lot of feelins. like the Government of India to keep their Thousands of them are in jail-I cannot say, case and need also very prominently in their wrongly nor can I say, rishtly because that 205 Constitution CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SA.KA.) Constitution 206 (22nd A.mdt.) Bill (22nd Anull.) Bill has lOt to be l!ecided by courts. But that friend from Jana Sangb. Similarly, indicates the strength of the feeling of those I may mention that there. was people. the States Reorganisation Commission and they wanted a separate State for Telangana. MR. SPEAKER: May I point out that But then, in their own wisdom, the Par- thoae amendments which do not pertain to liament as well as the then Government, they Assam are all out of order and are not like- did not accept my advice and, tbenfore. ly to be moved. Any 8!11enciment which is tbey did nnt have a separate State. Yet, it not for Assam rc-organisation will be out of is an old, a longstanding, demand of those order. people and the feeling of those people. For a time, they have been quiescent. They SHRI RANGA: 11lat is why I have ta- were willing to give a trial, so was ken this occasion instead of taking the time I, and a trial was given. But, unfor- of the House on a later occasion. tunately, it proved to be a disappointment. Therefore, tbey are now very much agitated. . MR. SPEAKER: But I have to Sly whe- I would like the Government 10 give the ther they are in order or out of order. not most careful consideration to the feelings of the Minister. thoac people, to the disappointment of many SHRI RANGA: I am trying to be as brief people who'have come to feel it, and also to as possible and place the case before the the suggestion that we are making. I hope House and Government for their consideratioa they would come out with some considered now as well as in future. But. anyhow. the view in regard to this matter without allow- point is there; therefore, would it not ~ wise ing any sense of prestige or sense of frustra- for Parliament and also for them to make an tion to co'our their judgment. approach in this direction and give Parlia- Sir, I do not wish to say anything more. ment as well Government the power to as I hope I voice the feelings of all sections in make it possible at a later stage. if and when this House that when this Autonomous State they deem it wiac and necessary, for other comes to be established in Assam, for the areas, specially like Telangana, to come to bene5t of Assam Hill people, it would do have an Autonomous State, a sub-State, or good. it would give satisfaction, not only 10 an autonomous status. I would like them the people of Hill ancas but also to the to give some consideration. This is very people of the wbolo of Assam and, through much less than what they are asking for. th,m, to all of us. True, it is very much more than what the Government is prepared to give. But Par- MR. SPEAKER: May I ag.in appeal to liament has also got to come into it. It has th' hon. Memben to be very brief? Shri come into it in regard to the con'lCllsus over Hiren Mukerjee. the Bill. It is best, I think, under the pre- sent circumstances, to try to take time by SHRr H.N. Mukerjee (Calcutta North the forelock. If you do not want to state, in East): Mr. Speaker, Sir, as we indicated so many words, Telangana Autonomous State, las! tirbe, we are in favour of this Bill an1 you give yourself the power-commit t" it- we shall assist in the ~ of this legisla- by saying, in any other area or in any other tion. State, so that later on, if and when, the time is ripe, when you think the timo is rip., you Earlier, at one stage of the pro:=jings, may come to concede that kind of a status. som. of us w:re in favour of a full-fledged Hill State but then w' had to take into Why do I mention it? I think, I men- consideration the psychology generally tioned it the other day, and I would like to prevalent in the Assam valley and now, as mention it, as briefly as possible. My han. the conCCQsus has been worked out, it is friend said this is nothing new, that this has beller that we have a compromise which is been there in the Constitution itself, those represented in this Bill. But I would have which are autonomous Districts, and, there- liked the Home Minister to have taken a fore, it is in further progress of their status more imaginative line when he ruled out, a that they have brought this Bill and that is little while ago. any i1ea of similar solutions why he tried to give an answer to our elsewhere in the States. r would not 80 207 Constltutioll APRIL, IS 1969 COlUtltutlon 208 (2211(/ Amdt.) Bill (22nd Amdt.) Bill [Sbri H. N, Mukerjee] If my friends there-possibly, tbey have into details. But in West Bengal, as far as no recollection of the days before Indepen- the Gorkba-speaking areas arc concerned, dence-have any idea of the major mistakes the State Congress had agreed once with the which tbe national leadership made befolC United Front in asking for some .art of an Independence, they would remember that it autonomous right in regard to the Gorkba- was because we stressed the idea c-f Indian speaking areas of Darjccling District. Very unity in an almost artificial manner that probably, a remedy, similar to wbat has been ultimately we had to pay the price of parti. applied in Assam, may be necessary in parts tiCID. I remember distinctly in 1928 or 1929 of West Bengal or in other States also even when I was a college student, how the late though th e case of Assam, I can see, is Shri Vijayaraghavachariar used to say, never sut generise and it bas a cortain unique rise but in the name of India and of All· India. He said so echoing Tagorc who said character. the same thing in regard to Italy. Arc we enthused by that idea? We wanted the 12.45 lin. unity of India. J remember, at the time [Mll. DEPUTY-SPEAKEll in the Chair] of the CaIcutta CongICss WhelC the Prime Thcre are certain lacunae in the Bill Minister's father·in·law Pandit Motilal even now. I am not happy with the provi- Nehru, presided.,. non rcgarding the two-tbird majority which AN HON, MEMBER: Grandfather, could easily have been changed in favour of the idea of simple majority. And 1 am not SHRI R.N. MUKERJEE:I am very sorry. at all sure about the position of Cacbar. .,.where the Prime Minister's grand· Probably, geograpbically speaking, Cachar father, Pandit Motital Nehru, presided, there will be isolated and probably at a latcr was also an all-party confelCnce where the stage some other kind of solution may have Muslim demand for the residual power of to be thought of so that the people of tho Constitution to be in the Centre was not Cachar are not provoked into further agita- conceded, where the Muslim demand for tion. I am glad, my friend, Prof. Ranga, one-third representation at the Centre was also has referred to this matter. not conceded, where the Muslim demand I wish also to say'tbat there is: (Interrup· for a majority of them in Bengal and Punjab tion). was not conceded-all in the name of the unity of India. We did not make the slightest I havc been watching a protracted concession to the idea that this country was dialogue between the Prime Ministcr a diverse country. A unified country can and the Home Minister. This is a only come into the picture if the fact of measure in regard to whicb the Government diversity is recognised along with the fact has pretended to value tbe cooperation of of unity. That, we never recognised, and tbe Opposition. And Parliament is a place at the time of the transfer of power, we had where certain rights are important, certain to agree to the tremendous cost of the forms are essential, not because in substance partition of this country. Have not we they amount to very mucb in every case I learnt a Jesson from it? If the United am not claiming that I am saying something States of America can ha\e 50 States-and so fundamental that the Prime Minister they have a population very much lesser than should listen-but there are certain forms -ours what is the point of principle involv· and patterns of behaviour which should tc ed in stricking to the notion that we observed. I am sorry that this digression shall have so many States and no more? had to take place. I am not asking for an immediate change- I do not know why Government, includ· over of the CDtilC situaticn, but I am asking ing many people in this House, fight shy for a change in the temperament of the of the idea whenever the idea is propounded leadership, 1 am asking them to understand that we might, in order to cement the unity of the psychology of people in different areas, this country in diversity, have to reconsider I am asking them to cultivate some imagi· the wbole question of the de·limitation of native element of political leadership, I am States and also in regard to the delimitation of asking them not merely to be bur.-:aucratic power between the States and the CentlC, -processed who sit at the table and deal 209 COlUtltlllloll CHAITRA 25. 1891 (SAKA) COIUtltlllioll 210 (22ird Amdt.) But (11tu1 Amdt.) Bill with the dead wood in the desk and pass constitutional COJIfIicts and COJIfIicts with orders merely becall5C the Secretary has our other legislation. Sir, the People's asked them to do so. 1 want them to take Represantation Act accepts only single real hold of the leadership of tho country membership and if this BUI is passed, it and have an imaginative line ~ and will introduce an element of double member- . wherever it is needed. It is no gcod saying ship of State legislatUIIIS. Those who will "We are all for the unity of the cowtry be members of the autonomous Hill Stales and you fellows, are very perverse and you of Assam will simultaneous1y be members are against the unity of the country. There- oC the Assam State Assembly and tbis will fore, do not make trouble whether it be in introduce an element of double memberships. Assam or in Telangana." I do not want There is also a likelihood of a conftict trouble. If we could be trouble-free, I arising with the District Councils which personally would b. very happy. But this have been given certain indepeudent ~ world is full of troubles. Our country is and certain autonomous powers. Moreover, ancient country. We have inherited a this will not solve Ihe problem for all times tremendous past which is always dangerous to. come and this will not be the end of to be an heir with a legacy of SOOO years. the problem. - From the Press I gather that Here in this country we are dealing with even tho All Peoples Democratic Party the kind of society which we want to build has decidod to stap a Dhama before and Oovemmen t are behaving like p"'ty- the State Raj Bbavan bocauae they are not fogging bureaucrats who may function on satisfied with the present arrangement and account of the tactical success of the politi- they are clamouring for a full-fledged State cal exercL'O they carry on behind scenes. for the Hill areas. Even the All Peoples Tbey do not have the courage-political Hill Leaders have not accepted on the whole leadership of the cowtry has not the they have accepted it partially and as an courage to go before the people and talk experiment. So this is not going to solve about fundamentals. That is why ~ the problem for all times and anothor talk about national integration in a maDDer ob.kction is that this does noe include even which is so utterly artificial. I did not all tbe Hill areas. It has only a few dis- want to say all this. But I was provoked tricts of Ihe Hill areas which are heine by tbe kind of dialoaue which was going on included in this autonomous States and the ... (/lIterrllJ1t1ollS.) It mull be very lmpor- rest of the important Hili districts like tant, perhaps in relation to power outside. Mizo and others are goine to be kept out I am not concenied with such thing•. of the whole scheme. So, it is not going Personally speaking, in Parliament I want to provide a solution even for the enlire certain things to be discussed properly, bill areas of Assam. with dignity, effectively, and then put across This Bill, if passed, is certainly likely to the people. That is why I want the 10 open up the ftood gates of similar Home Minister and the leaders of tbe cleman4s: maybe, from Vidarbba maybe from country to think about things in the Iarpr the Kumaon Hills of Uttar Pradesh, maybe, context of our country. Otherwise' this from Telengana. We are already facing a de- country will go down tbe drain of which mand in Kerala for an independent Muslim there i. every possibility and there i. every majority district of Mallapuram. If this symptom ~ Bill is passed, it is only going to strengthen raising SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL (Chandi- the divisive forces whi:h are their pch): I rise to oppose the motion on ualy heads today. II is certainly going to w- several basic issues. Mr. Deputy Speaker- do the noble work of Sardar Patel which in Sir, our Constitution contemplates and those days was likened to that of ~ Bis- mark ,who in those days given the title of conceives only of states and the frame work was of our constitution is more untitary than Abraham Lincoin and Muzini on account of his unitinl over 500 States of India. We are federal. But this is for tbe first time that certainly going to reverse tbat process, We we are going to introduce throuah this Bill are going to undo tbe Doble work which a conception of a State within a State in our constitution and I say Sir, this will be Sardar Patel had done. entiJely against the SPirit of the Constitution. To sol\" the problam of the entire Then, Sir, this i. also likaly to raise certain eastern reaion of India it is our suaestion ~ CoMtillllitm APRIL. 15. 1969 CorutUllliDn 212 (2211d AIIIIlt.) Bill (2211d .4mdl.) Bill [Shri Chand Goyal] those people, to salisy tbcir _timenta and that a commission may be appointed. to tell them about maintaining the unity and Whether it pertains to the problems of integrity of the country and to convince NEFA or Tripura or Manipur, or other them again that their economic problems, small areas like Mizoland let us try to fuld their problems of backwardness and their a permanent solution. problems relating to education and certain otber difficulties which may be faced by The entire area of Assam is a strategic them would be sympathetically solved, That area. That area confronts us with not only would be the best solution and the present economic problems, but also with defence so!ution is no solution at all. This will problems. open up the ftood gates in the entire country On behalf of the Jan Sansh. a sngestion for similar demands and this is also going to was made that a Commission consisting of weaken the unity and the integrily of the defence exports, administrators, Members country. of Parliament and those who are experts on economic and in Industrial This is all that I wanted to say at this matters may be appointed on the Commission moment. so that with the help of the report of that SHRI KlUSHNA KUMAR CHATTER· Commission, we can find a permanent JI (Howrah): Mr. Deputy.Speaker. Sir, tbe solution not only for the entire hill areas of Hill areas of Assam are the Garo Hills ... Assam, but for the entire Eastern region. That region as present is creating serious MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER: The hon. defence problems for the country. Member may continuo his speech after Tberefore, are we going to take up this lunch. principlo of democracY to ~ street and to every home and to every small area? 13 lin. There are other biaer areas. For instance. there is CbotanasPur which is biaer in 77Ie Lok SobIuJ adjourned lor IUllch till area than the area· covered by the Auto- FDurteen 01 the Clock. nomous Hill-State of Assam. That is biuer in area and also in respect of populatil!lJl n. Lok Sabha-ossNllbled aft., l.wIdt compared to the Assam autonomous Hill· at Two MIIIIIIU Past Fourt•• 11 01 the CI«:Ic. State. If we create such Sub-States, is it not likely to open UP the possibility of more [Ma.. DEPuTy·SPEAKER In lhe chair] ~ d cropping up for the autonomy of those areas like Cbotanagpur, because the CONSTITUTION (TWENTY SECOND conditions are similar? There is economic AMENDMENT) BILL-Colltd. backwardness. There are serious problems tbore also. We have got to find a permanent MIl. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Shri Krishna solution. Kumar Chatterji may now resume hi. speech. I would request all Membe,s to confine their Sir, the Assam problem will not. be remarks to five minutes each. because we solved by appeasing to the sentiments of have to conclude the consideration stage at certain sections of the people. Are we 3 p.m. going to carry this principle of democracy to every home and to every street? SHRI KRISHNA KUMAR CHATTER· JI: I was just mentioning that the hill areas Sir, so long as the people of an area of Assam are the Garo Hills. the United are represented in a biuer State and in the Khasi and Jaintia Hills., the United Mikir Parliament of the country. there is absolutely and North Cachar Hills and the Mizo HilIs. no necessity that in order to appease the SCIItiments of certain sections of peoplo. we The purpose of the Constitution Amend. accept the principle of smallet States. ment Bill is to authorise Parliament to enact a law by which we can create an au· Now, the duty of lead Hilll, the United Khasi and Jaintia Hills at difficulties will arise as to the rules undIIr the first stage and opportuni ty will be given which these of6cers will come for discipli- to the United Mikir and North Cachar Hills nary purposes. to join tbat autonomous State at a later stage. The Mizo Hills in completely left I feel that the claim of Darjeelin. also out of the picture: will have to be conceded, and the claims of Chota-Nagpur and also the Santhal· .J would like to mention in this connee- Parganas regions where also the tribal tion tbat as soon as the United Mikir and pJpulation is large, will have to be conced- North Caehar Hills cboose to join this ed because they also bave been clamour- autonomous State, it would create problem. ing for this kind of separate State. for the district cf Cacbar. The !!emands of the Cachar people at that stago cannot be Therefore, while we fully subscrib. to neglected if justice has to be done, because the present amending Bill and we are behind they will be completely isolated, and unless the Government to see tbat the law is the demands of the Cacbar people are consi- enacted to create this autonomous State, dered by the Central Government with I would appeal ~o Government to give more sympathy, problems will be created there. and more powers to them so tbat the hill Therefore, I am mentioning this. I cann'lt tribes people may be satisfied. blame Shri Ranp or Shri H.N. Mukerjee for baving placed before lhis House and MR. DEPUTY-SPBAKER: Now, Shri also pressed the claims of other regions for Swell. similar treatment. Naturally, when we open up the way for the creation of such kinds of SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): States, the demands will come from different On a point of submission. Just now, I regions which feel tbat they are not properly bave received a Caleutta paper in which treated for a similar treatment. I find that the national professors Shri Regional and economic imbalances are Satyendranath Bose and Dr. R. C. there, and because of this, the demands are Majumdar have issued a press statement .... sometimes found to be justified also. But it must be admitted that this Bill goes MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Samar against the very spirit of our Consittution Guha may resume his seat. There is no because it has never envisaged a State occasion now to interrupt the debate. within a Stale. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: It is a very Even then, I must congratulate the important statement. It bas happened.... Primo Minister and the Home Minister for their bold and imaginative leadership in MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hOD. conceding the just demands of the Member may resume his seat. Nothinl hill people. The hill people were that he says will go no record. Now, Shri amartinl under a sense of injustice Swell. Bnd they were demanding some kind SHRI SAMAR GUHA: •• of status. Even then, I am afraid that the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: would status that has been gi ven to them may not again rep:at that nJthing is being recorded. satisfy them in the future. For example, law and order has been left out from Iheir SHRI SAMAR GUHA: •• porvi< w. So, at a later stage, the demand MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: would for law and order also b.ing given to them again plead with the han. Member to resume will arise at some later stage, and other his seat. I am not permitting anything to problems will then arise. Under the 1968 go on record. (/ntllrrllptlDlf8)·· policy declaration by Government, aU the all-India services including the hiBher SHRI SURENDRA NATH DWIVEDY services of the State are joined, but a laWler (Kendrapara): As you have stated, inter- category of people will be given to these ruptions have not been recorded. But areas, and consequently, administrative what the bon. Member wants is that tho •• Not recorded. 215 COMtitutiDn APRIL, IS. 1969 Con.thutlon 216 (22nd Amdt.) Bill (22nd Amdt.) Bill [Sbri Surcndra Natb Dwivedy] perhaps legitimate stroq feelinp tbat he Prime Minister shoulci make a statement has, to take another and more proper on that incident. That is what he wants. occasion when theEe tbin£s cao be taken up. Sir, tbe subject-matter tbat has been inear- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Tbere is pcrated in tbis Bill has bceo discussed on mme prccedure laid ~ If he had more tbao one occasion in tbis House and writtfll to me that there was some emerscncy maoy I do not waot to repeat the arguments about it to which the attention of the House flat of my colleagues who have supported must be drawn, I would have considered this Bill have put forward. All that it. But if en the spur of the momrnt, he I want to say today is to thmk you gets uP. I cannot pennit it. Now. Shri and to thank the Members of this Swell. House botb in the Government and in the Opposition for having made this occasion SHRIMATI ILA PALCHOUDHURI: possible. We know that under !be rules (Krishnagar): 011 a point of order•... (lnter- a motion that ollce has been disposed of ,,,,tiD,,.) COIIDot be taken up again during the same session. But the vast majority in this SHRI SAMAR GUHA: •• House, practically all the parties, have risen MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing that above party affiliations and party prediloc- is being said will go cn record. tions aod have taken this up as a national SHRI DHIRESWAR KALITA: question aod have brought to bear a national (Gauhati): •• view on the question. I wish to take this opportunity of expressing the grateful SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU lDiamond Harbour): •• tbanks of the people of the hill areas to this unique gesture of gcodwiIl, trust and SHRI MOHAMMAD ISMAIL (Barrack confidence wbicb tbis House has made to- pore): •• . wards the people in tbe bill areas the people SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI in Assam and in the whole or ~ r (Patna).·· India. SHRII. M. BlSWAS (Bakaura): •• SHRl SAMAR GUHA: •• Sir, the passing of a Constitution Amend- SHRI SHIV CHANDRA: Jha (Madhu- ment Bill, albeit with a consemus that is bani): •• seldom reached-and it is doubtful if it will be reached again in the future-is IIOt a world MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Nothing shaking occasion by itself. But I look wiU 10 on record. May I request tbe bon. upon this occasio:t as one more instaoce of MembeI1l to fight their battles outside? It is the healtb and of the strength of the Indian really unfortunate that proceedings are democracy. We did a similar thing in 1962 disturbed" like this. when the Chinese committed aggression against our country; we did it in I96S when Sbri Swell. Pakistan committed aggression on us and we are doing it again today in a much smalIer SHRI SWELL (Autonomous Dis- measure. This is something that will go tricti): We are a great and a growing down in the history of this House and the nation. Every day, every hour, something history of tbis nation and perhaps it would or other is happening in ihis country, but be ao occasion that we shall recall in the r "iielieve that we shaU be able to overcome future. aU these challeogo and tbat we are passing only through a period of transitien. I am I have no doubt in my mind that we are sorry that the smooth CUrIent of the debate passing through a difficult aod transitional has been somewhat disturbed by the rift of period of the nation and more and more certain developments in West Bengal. But problems will be coming up. Wbenever we I would request my hon. friend, Shri are sorely tried we shall always look back Samar Goha, despite tbe very strooa feelings. to this occasion when despite our differences •• Not recorded. 217 C_tltutlon CHAITRA 25,1891 (SAKA) Constitution 218 (22nd Amdt.) BIU (22nd Amdt.) Bill we were able to close our ranks and come change or rather an amendment to the 10 a decision Ihat is in Ihe best interests of I.gislation which this Parliament is going to Ihe Dation. pass by a simple majorily? It is not reason- able at all. It looks hidlcrous, it looks I shall conclude by saying that we in the absurd also. hill areas shall not easily forget this occasiOD Now, according to the provisions of this and in reciprocity I shall say this to the Constitution (Twenty-socond Amendment) Dation from this forum that we shall strive Bill, this Parliament is empowered to create with the support of the whole nation to what is known as an autonomous State and make that little corner of Ihe country a that can be created and provisions for it can patch of beauty and grace and a shining be passed by a simple majority. That, the outpost of India. Parliament can do. But if Parliament so desires subsequently to amend certain clauses SHRJ NAMBIAR (Tiruchirappalli): We or th: Bill, then there must be a two-thirds have already supported the spirit of the majority. If he straightaway puts it now, Bill but we are unable to agree to the Bill at the inllial stages, two-thirds majority is is such because of the grounds mentioned not necessary. How does it look like? in my dissenting note to the report of the Docs it appeal to reason? It does not appeal joint Committee. We do not agree to what to reason. But the only answer the Home is known as a sub-State or the concept of an Minister could give was this: even this autonomous State which is new to the morning he said that we should not make ConstitutiOD of India. If you go through these changes every now and then. Who the whole ConstitutiOD you will nol find the are this "we"? Is it not Parliament? If words 'autonomous State' anywhere. They this Parliament can create this so-called are introducing it today as a new term. autonomous State by legislation, why Dot If it is an autonomous State, it is autOD- the same Parliament give the powers to omous. But according to the provisions of amend it when it wants by a simple majo- the Bill it is not autonomous at all; it is rity? There is a contradiction and there is something like a sub-State, a State wilhin unreasonableness In this. a State wilh no powers whatsoever. I may be permitted to say that it is an exasgeratcd We have goodwill for both the hills &lld panchayat board or district board. May the plains. My party stands for friendship be a little more, because whatever little and equanimity for both the parts of Asaam. money that the Centre gi_, they can the hill people and the plains people. We apportion it and spend it. But this body, do not want ODe part to be dominated by this autonomous State, is to act within the the other. We do not want ODe p!lrt to framework of the constitution of the Assam feel that they are neglected at the cost of State legislature, and the legislature has got themselves. We do not want that. My its own powers. I would say that it is party stands for the full development of proper only if the Hill States of Assam are Assam as a powerful unit of this great created and have eqDal status. What is the Mother India. And this strengthening can diftic:ulty? 1 tried my best to understand be done only by the voluntary will of the It, and I tried to hear from the Home people. The people who live in this con- Minister In the 10lnt Committee as well. tinent must feel that freedom gives them But he could not give any other reason ex- lOmething useful and somothing which they cept this, that there was something like a deserve. Then only they will feci that they consensus 8Dd he asked why we should must do everything for tha country. break it and said let it be there. If that is Therefore, I reel that there should not so, then there must be also 8D OccasiOD be any rivalry nor competition between the for further chanaes. If at all another two parts sf Assam. But every right should conSCDsus comes in, there must be 8D be given to the hill people and everythiq occasion to change it. But he doea not want should be done to meet their aspiratiollS, that to happen. Therefore he . bars the and they must be allolWd to develop them- dour Cor further ch8Dges. Therein comes selves without any let or hin4rancc from the tw o-thirds majority provision. Why anybody, not the least from the plains IhoaId fhere be a two-thlrds majority for a people. 119 C""""utloll APlUL, 2S, 1969 ColUlilllllDII (22nd ,4';'dt.) Bill (22114 .4mdt.) Bill [Shri Nambiar] ~ I ~ '!;wfr crm 'R !ifill' ;r«'fl' Therefore, I submit that this Bill does ~ (I'iI ~ ~ i!il ~ ~ not go far enQlllh. That is my objection. 'il'1& is safe. Wilh all the weaknesses in this Bill ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I live my blessings to it for the future of amr Prof. Swell to swell. f.r?r ;;rr I would think the Home Minister is area. In Garo HiUs, the Tribal populadon sincere in what he has said, namely, that we is 75.16 per cent of which 37.8 per cent are do not want furlh.r division of this country. Christians. In the United Khasi and Let him stick 10 this position. If any laintia Hill., 78.53 per cent are Tribals and rearrangement or a review is necessary-there 50.6 per cent are Christian,. In NlI8aland are other things about which I am not going 93.09 per cent are TribaIs and 55.67 per to speak JUR now-let us review the position cent are Christians. We have r~ d siven from a national point of view whether and Napland; there is no question about it but how much and in what respect some adjust- we cannot stop Mizoland because out of ment is necessary. 86.67 per cent Tribals 97 per cent are Christians. The Telangana problem, as I say, is a different problem because neg Iected· areas I want to tell the House that it is not and backward regions are there even in the Destiny which determines as to whether backward States and they pose very great tomorrow's Christiandorn will be happier, problems before us which have thlCBtened or perhaps more prosperous-but it is the the very unity not only of the country but will of the peOple that determines it. They of the State itself. So that problem requires have taken this strength. This strenBth has special consideration and I think it will be been liven by the missionaries there. The better, since Telangana has given us the missionaries have compelled the Government warning, that this Parliament devotes some to come to this conclusion. time to think about the wbole question of neglected and backward regions in this AN HON. MEMBER: The cat has country. come out of the bag. SHRI KARTIK ORAON: In this con- Therefore, whatever amendments are nection. I will also try to draw your atten- there, I would appeal, let us at least all tion and I do not think that there is any- support the Bill that is before us because I thins wrong in it. I never say that, because think this will give an assur8nc:e-again and they have got what they wanted. But we again I repeat that this will give an assu- must also keep in mind that there has been rance-to the Hill people of this country that for quite some time a demand for the separate the whole nation thinks about them and is State of Jbarkhand. one with them in seeing that they develop at pat with other citizens of this country. Mr. laipal Singh is the erstwhile leader of the lharkhand Party. I can tell this HOII9O SHRI KARTIK ORAON (Lobardaga): that the tribes of that area reprded Mr. Mr. Deputy-Speaker, ( am grateful to you laipal Singh no less than as Mahatma Gandhi particularly for &iving me the time to was regarded by Indians in this country. speak, no matter what the amount is, That was the position. But we couJcl not because I have been mo.t unfortunate let it because in that part only 10 per cent otherwise. are Christians and the rest are tribals for whom the Government never cared. That I support the Bill and, at the same time, is the point. That area Is now a hub of I would like to congratulate the Home industrial complexes and many projects have Minister and the Prime Minister for their already come up or are coming up in that commendable efforts in having come to area. The tribal lands have been taken over such a good conclusion after so much of its by the Government for the projects. They and buts. As a matter of fact, this had have not been properly rehabilitated and been agitating the minds of the people of employed. They are today refupes in their that areal for a long tilDO- own borne. They have all been robbed of Let us try to undel'ltand what the facts their lands by the advanced Gommunities bebind this agitation are and wherein lies and they havo become landless. Even in its strength. I would like to let this House the blocks, riPt from the chaprasl to the know what is the force behind this. I think, B.D.Os, they are all fIvm outside, no tn"bal, the credit for this should also go to the nothing of the kind from that area. Even foreign Cbristlan misaions operatiDa in that the foRst &WIlds in the ·1harkhand area an 227 CtHUtitUlIDn APRlL, ", 1969 CDlUtitUliDla 228 (22nd .4rrrdt.) BtU (22nd .4mdt.) Bill {Sbri Kartik Oraon1 f"fit lilT ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ from outside. Therefore, from every ~~ r rr ~ ~r~ fi!;m economic cODSideration, this is a fit and economically viable case Cor getting a separate fi{"lf'fi ~ qrfur ~ it i!ilf Ifl"IlTw "lit State of JharkhaDd. ~ ~ t I ~~ 1:1&: ~ fit; mn- I would be very happy and wished if Mr. ~ 'fiT $fh «WJ<: 'fir q-rit Gf1pif ~r ~ Jalpal SiDgh had heeD firm aDd true to the ;r(I't I cause aDd the tribes. I would like to draw $f\;'m the attcation of tho House to the stalemeDt ~ ~~ it, ~ ;m: srm: which he made OD 16th August, 1947, whca ~~ ~ ~ ~ it ~ for.;1t :re<: smr, he was a member of the Excluded aDd ~ ~ r ~~ <:i;;Jf q-rn ~ I ¢ Partially Excluded Areas (Other thaD Assam) Sub-Committee, of the CODstitlleDt Assembly ~ ~ it ~ ~ ~ or r~ u ~ ~ of IDdla. This is what he says on p.9, ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ m ~ ~ line 25: wmif 'iI"<'f ~ ~ ;;!tij't ~ it ~ ~ "CreatioD or' a separate proviDco is a fwr1 or~ ~ ~c r~ ~ t I matter outside the scope of our iDqulry aDd n 1:1&: ;flit r~ ~ ~ ~r ~ ~ we do not fiDd that this is, iD fact, Deeeasary for the satisfactory admiDistratioD of the <:r'ilf ~ WC!1TCf fr.lfr lilT ~ ~ i'tu ~ tribals ... ~ srm: l!iT t fit; ~ ~ sr'fiJ<: ~ But for this, Dobody would have hoeD ~ ~ ~ o't ~ 1:1&: ~r able to stop the creation of a separate State ~r ~ it ~ Slim 'fiT ~ I!Rro merR f I 1l:'Ii CfT ammr "lINT ij; flinn'Ii ~ ~ ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ srll"fflT \1rr rn ij; ~ fcrm 'fT, ~ anf'f'li t fi!; >.fr ~ r ~ ~ $l"lf(f'f'T 'liT ~ ~~ ~ • um it fi!; ~ ij; ~~ i1iT IWfT ""' ~ 'fiT ~ r~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ 'tiT fi!;lTT I ~ ~ ~ it fqn ~ ~ ~ r~ ~ ~ ~ $l"U1f if ;;IT "Illlff ~ ~ ~ ~ fi!; WRT ~ l f.l;ul Slim lfiT ~ u ~ ~~ a I ~ Oil' ~ ~ ~~ I ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ 'tiT ~ t, ~ q11iN ~ iii' ~ ~ ~~~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~~ tl 1j"Iii\1fi arr.rn,' 'fit-.nt ~ 'tiT fif1m!r ~ ~ if ~ ~ Tt ~ rr '!fit I 231 CtIIIItltulitm APRIL IS, 1969 CtIIII/lt"tlon 232 (22nd Amdt.) Bill (22nd Amdt.) Bill [llTl" ll"'lim ~ This is the whole historY of op:ratlon ~ ~ r~ m;rrer it ~ arffi ~ as to wby this Bill has come up. J find' that this august House has almost agreed to ClI'IRr 'liT llil" ~ q-r;;!" ~ ~ it; mvr give a green signal to this Bill, despite th: ~~ flN people were forced to register themselves the .ame time, it would be wrong to allow UDder Alsamese speaking people. A large imagination to run riot. Wherever there ,ection of the BensaIi speaking people in is demand for .eparate State, if we are Assam fecI very inllCCUre and appressed as going to concede it without proper consi- it bas ~ seen in the past allO. deration of the prob!em, I think. tbat wIH ts lin. be undoing of this country. So, Sir, I erquest tbe hon. Home Minis- The hon. Member Shri Prakash Vir ster to consider all these legal demands of Shastri ji asked for an assurance from' me Ihe people of Cacbar. Thank you. that in future no such State would be created. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Y.B. CHAVANj: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I As a spokesman of this OO\'emment, I am grateful to tbe bon. Members who bave can broadly indicate the approach in this participated in this Debate who have mostly matter. But wbo, in a democratic set-up welcomed this Bill and supported it very can give assurances for all times to come? heartily, except the Members of the Ian It is very difficult for anybody to give assu- Sangb party. I think, they also have a rance, because, Sir, history does not take desire to support the Bill, but they have dictates from either Oovernmen ts or leaders made .ome commitment, and they cannot of political parties. It has its own logic. get out of it ..... rInttlt'ruption) It is very difficult for me to give any assurance. It will be wrong to AN HON. MEMBER: No. give any assurance. But I can only indicate SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: Why I, say what our approach is in this particular 10 is because I know they also want com- matter. plete peace in thaI part of the COUDtry. Some hon. Members made reference to They allO want that area to be contented Te\cngana. I think it is very wnmg to politically, economically and otherwisc and draw up parallels in this lituation. this step which we have taken allO aims at the same objective. (11II_uplioll.) It is SHRI S. M. BANER1EE: Why don't having the same objective. Well, I do not you make a ltatement on the Telengana want to emphasisc the dift'erences. I am bandh1 trying to emphasisc tbe unity of approacb, SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: We are con- al far as I can. sidering the question of Assam and the I would just briefly refer to lOme of the question of Telengana is a separate thing. points raised in tbe course of the D.bate, It Is a separate question and it has got a because they do not require any .elaborate dift'erent connotation. It bas a dift'erent answer. angle. We have got to consider the Telen- gaDa problem in the Telengana ·way. We My hon. friend Professor Ranga wel- have got to consider the Assam problem in comed the Bill. He made a mention about the Assam the problem of Cachar. In that sense, Sir, way. This is the only way in many States have got many areas where the which we can consider them. problems of development are there. And, The hon. Member, Shri S. M. 10shi they will bave to be looked into. I am sure, welcomed this Bill and he has given the tbe prpblem of Cachar also will be looked Bupport of his party. I am very glad that after by the Oovernment of Assam. Shri Dwivedy also has decided to support this BUI. Tbe hon. Member Shri Hiren Mukherjee, while supporting the Bill suagested tbat the SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: leaders of tbis country abould always have I am lupporting it from the very beginning. sen.e of imagination and try to think in When the Bill was referred to the Select first terms of llS many States as ncccsaary if Committee also I was the to spesk in possible. IUpport. Sir, I quite agree that one baa got to be SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: I am grateful realistic in this matter and look to the feel- to the bon. Member for this support in tbis iugs of the .people in this.malter. But, at particular matter. I had some misgivinga 235 CtlMtltUlion APRIL, IS, 1969 CtnUtltUlItm 236 (2211d Amdt.) Inll (221td Amdt.) Blli because last time the hon. Member, Shri These are some of the points mentioned Hem Barua opposed it. by the hon. Memben on which I thOUght SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: j should give clarification. I hope the hon. He had artain reservations only. He did Members would support the Bill. not oppose it. MR. SPEAKER: I will now put Shri SHRI Y. B. CHAVAN: am very Abdul Ghani Dar's Motion for Circulation glad or this support. There is only one to the,. vote of the House. point more for me to deal with. ThE question is: The last ~ r said that Cachar is "That the Bill be circulated for the pur- geographically completely separated. That pose of eliciting opinion tMnon by the i. a misconception. When we are carving 30th June, 1969" out autonomous States, that does not mean The motlDlI was lIegallved. that we are administratively creating different units here. MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put the Motion for consideration to the vote of the As rar as the non-transferred subjects House. Let the lobbies be cleared. are concemed, She writ of the Assam The lobbies have been cleared. Government wiII run in the area of the The question is: autonomous State. Even from that point of view, the contiguity of the tenitory of the "That the Bill further to amend the State, as far as Assam is concemed, certainly Constitution of India b. taken into connects Cachar with the State of Assam. consideration. " There i. no doubt about this matter The !.ok SaMa divided: ~ o AYES [15.10 In. Abraham, Shri K. M. Bhagat, Shri B. R. Damani, Shri S. R. Achal Singh, Sbri Bhagavati, Smi Das, Shri N. T. Agadi, Shri S. A. Bhakt Darshan, Shri Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Ahirwar, Sbri Nathu Ram Bhargava, Shri B. N. Dass, Shri C. Ala, Shri Ahmad Bharti, Shri Maharaj Singh Deb, Shri D. N. Ahmad, Dr. I. Bhola Nath, Shri Deo, Shri R. R. Singh Ahmed, Shri F. A. Birla, Shri R. K. Peoghare, Shri N. R. Ahmed, Shri J. Birua, Shri Kolai Desai, Shri Dinkar Amat, Shri D. Bist, Shri J. B. S. Desai, Sbri Morarji Amin, Shri R. K. ~ Shri J. M. Deshmukh, Shri B. D. Aairudhan, Shri K. Bohra, Shri Onkarlal D:shmukh, Shri K. G. Anjanappa, Shri B. Brahm Prakash, Shri Deshmukh, Shri Shivajirao S. Ankineedu, Shri Burman, Shri Kirit Bikram Devinder Singh, Shrl Arumugam, Shri R. S. Dev Dhillon, Shri G. S. Asghar Husain, Shri Buta Singh, Shri Dhrangadbra, Shri Sriraj Awadesh Chandra Singh. Chakrapani, Shri C. K. Meghrajji Shri Chanda, Shri AnU K. Dhuleshwar Meena, Shri Azad,Shri BhagwatJha Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsna Dir.csh Singh, Shri Babunath Singh, Shri Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri Dixit, Shri G. C. Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar Chandrika Prasad, Shri Dwive:ii, Shri Nageshwar Banerjee, Shri S. M. Chatterjee, Shri N. C. Dwivedy, Shri Surendranath Barrow, Shri Chatterjee, Shri Krishna Ering, Shri D. Barua, Shri Bedabrata Kumar Esthose, Shri P. P. Barua, Shri R. Chaturvedi, Shri R. L. Fernandes, Shri George Barupal, Shri P. L. Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Gajraj Singh Rao, Shri Basu, Shri lyotirmoy Singh Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Basumatari, Shri Chavan, Shri D. R. Ganesh, Shri K. R. llaswant, Shri Chavan, Shri Y. B. Ganga Devi, Shrimati Beara, Shri S. (:. Chaudhary, Shri Valmlki Gautam, Sbri C. D. Bhapban Das, Shri DaIbir Sinsb, Sbri Gavit, Shri Tukaram 237 Conllitlllitm CHAITRA 25. 1891 (SAKA) COMtItIIIiD" 238 (22nd AmtIt; BiIt) (22nd Amt1t. Bill) Ghosh, Shri Bimalkanti Kripalaoi, Shrimati Sucheta Mutbusami, Shri C. ~o Shri Ganem Kri.hoa, Shri M. R. Naghnoor, Sbri M. N. Ghosh, Shri P. K. Krishoan, Shri G. Y. Nahata. Sbri Amri! Gbosh, Shri Parimal Kundu, Shri S. Naidu. Shri Chengalraya Girraj Saran Singh, Shri Kureel, Shri B. N. Naik, Shri G. C. Gopalan, Shri P. Kushok Bakula, Shri Naik, Sbri R. V. Govind Das, Dr. Lakshmikaothamma, Nambiar, Shri Gowd. Shri Gandiliogana Shrimali Nanda, Sbri Gowda, Shri M. H. Lalit Sen, Shri Nath Pai, Shri Gowder. Shri Nanja Laskar, Shri N. R. Nayar, Dr. Su.bila Guha, Shri Samar Laxmi Bai, Shrimati Nibal Singh. Shri Gupta, Shri Indrajit Lobo Prabhu, Shri Oraoo, Shri Karlik Gupta, Shri Lakhan Lal Lutfal Haque, Shri Padmavati Devi, Shrimati Gupta, Shri Ram Kishan Madhukar. Shri K. M. Pahadia, Sbri Jagannath Hajamawis, Shri Mahadeva Prasad, Dr. Palchoudhari, Shrimati lia Haldar, Shri K. Mahajao, Shri Vikram Paodey, Shri K. N. Hanumantbaiya, Shri Chand Pandey, Shri Vishwa Nath Hari Krishna, Shri Maharaj Siogh, Shri Panigrahi, Shri Chintamani Hazarika. Shri J. N. Mabida, Shri Narcodra SiogJi Pant, Shri K. C. Heerji Bhai. Sbri Mahishi, Dr. Sarojioi Paokai Haokip, Shri Hem Raj. Shri Maiti, Sbri S. N. Parmar, Sbri Bhaljibhai Himatsiogka, Shri Mehta, Shri P. M. Parmar, Shri D. R. Iqbal Singh, Shri Majhi, Shri M. Partap Singh, Shri Jadhav. Shri Tulshidas Malhotra, Shri Jnder J. Partbasaratby, Shri Jadbav, Shri V. N. Mandai, Dr. P. Paswan, Sbri Kedar Jagsaiab, Shri K. Mandai, Shri Yamuoa Prasad Patel, Shri J. H. Jagjiwao Ram, Shri Mane, Shri Shaokarrao Patel, Sbri Manibbai J. Jaipal Siogb, Sbri Manoharan, Seri Patel, Sbri Manubbai Jamir, Shri S. C. Maraudi, Sbri Patel, Sbri N. N. Jamna Lal, Shri Masani, Shri M.R. Patil, Sbri AnantraD J anardhanao, Shri C. Masuriya Din, Shri Patll, Shri C. A. Jba, Shri Sbiva Chandra Mehta, Shri Asoka Patil, Shri Deorao Joshi, Shri S. M. Mehta, Shri P.M. Patil, Sbri N. R. Kahaocole, Shri Z. M. Melkate, Dr, PaUl, Shri S. B. Kalita, Shri Dhireswar MeDOn, Shri Govinda Patil, Shri S. D. Kamble, Shri Menon: Shri Vishwaoatha Patil, Shri T. A. Kaineshwar Siogh, Shri Minimata AgarD Dass Ouru, Poonacha, Shri C. M. Kainala Kumari, Kumari Sbrimati Pradhani, Sbri K. Kapoor, Shri Lakhan Lal MiIza, Shri Bakar Ali Pramanik, Sbri J. N. Karan Siogh, Dr. Mishra, Shri Bibhuti Prasad, Shri Y. A. Karoi Singh, Dr. Mishra, Shri G.S. Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Shafli Kasture, Shri A. S. Misra, Shri Janshour Radbabai, Shrimati B. Katham, Shri B. N. Modak, Shri B.K. Ragbu Ramaiah, Shr Kavade, Shri B. R. Mody, Shri Piloo Raj Dec Singh, Shri Kedaria, Shri C. M. Mobamed linam, Shri J. Rajasekbarao, Shri Kesri, Shri Sitaram Mohammad Ismail, Shri Rajni Devi, Shrimati Khadilkar, Shri Mohammad Yusur, Shri Raju, Sbri D. B. Khan, Shri H. Ajmal Mobsin, Sbri Raju, Dr. D. S. Khan, Shri Gbayoor Ali Mobinder Kaur, Shrimati Ram, Shri T. Kbao, Shri Latafat Ali Molabu Prasad, Shri Ram Dhan, Shri Khan. Shri M. A. Mandai, Shri Jugal Ram Dhani Das, Sbri Kbao, Shri Zulfiquar Ali Mrityunjay Prasad, Sbri Ram Sewak, Shri Chaudhary KbaoDa, Shri P. K. Mukerjee, Shri H. N. Ram Subhag Singh, Dr. Kinder Lal, Shti Mukerjee, Sbrimati Sharda Ram Swarup, Shri *isku, Shri A. K. Mukne, Shri Yesbwantrao Kotoki, Shri Liladhar Mulla, Shri A. N. Ramamoortby, Sbri S. P. Koushik, Shti K. M. Murthy, Sbri B. S. Ramamurti, Shri P. Kripalaoi, Sbri 1. B. Murtl, Shri M. S. Ramshelchar Prasad Siqh Shri 239 Ctm.tllutltm APRIL, 15, 1869 Cmutlllllltm 240 (22nd Amdt: Bill) (22l1li Amdt. Bill) RaIla, Shri M. B. Sarma, Shri A. T. Singh, Shri D. V. Randbir SiDah, Shri Satya Narain SiDah, Shri Sinha. Shri Mudrika Rane, Shri Savltri Shyam, Shrimati Sinha, Shri R. K. Ransa, Shri Sayeed, Shri P. M. Sinha, Shri Satya Narayan RaDjit Siqh, Shri Sayecd Ali, Shri Sinha, Shrirnati Tarkesbwari Rao, Shri Japnath Sen, Shri Deven . Snatak, Shri Nar nco Rao, Dr. K. L. Sen. Shri Dwaipayan Solanki, Shri S. M. Rao, Shri K. Narayana Sen, Shri P. G. Somani. Shri N. K. Rao, Shri Muthyal Sen, Dr. Ranen Sonar, Dr. A. G. Rao, Shri I. Ramapalhi Sequeira, Shri Sonavane, Sbri Rao, Shri Rameshwar Sethi, Shri P. C. Sudarsanam, Shri M. Rao, Shri Thirumala Selhuraman, Shri N. Sunder Lal, Shri Rao, Dr. V. K. R. V. Shah, Shrimati Iayaben Supakar, Shri Sradbakar Raut, Shri Boola Shah, Shri Manabcndra Surendra Pal SinCh, Shri Ray, Shri Rabi Shah, Shrl Shantilal Sursingh, Shri Reddi, Shri G. S. Shah, Shri Virendrakumar Swaran Singh, Shri Reddy, Shri Ganga Sharnbhu Nath, Shri Swell, Shri Reddy, Shri M. 'N. Shankaranand, Shri B. Tapuriah, Shri S. K. Reddy, Shri P. Antoay Sharma, Shri Madborarn Tarodekar. Shri V. B. Reddy, Shri R. D. Sharma, Shri Naval Kishore Tiwary, Shri D. N. Reddy, Shrimati Sudha V. Sharma, Shri Yogendra Tiwary, Shri K. N. Re<'dy, Sbri Surendar Shashi Bhushan. Shri Tripathi, Shri K. D. Rohatgl, Shrirnati Susbila Shasti. Shri Biswanarayan Tula Ram, Shri RoY, Shri Vishwanalh Shastri, Shri Ramavtar Uikey, Shri M. G. Roy, Sbrirnatl Urna Shastri, Shri Ramanand Ulaka. Shri Ramachandra Saboo, Shri Shri Gopal Shastri, Shri Shcopujan Veerappa, Shri Ramachandra Sadbu Ram. Shri Shoo Narain, Shri Venkatasubhaiah, Shrl P. Saha, Dr. S. K. Sher SiDah, Shri Venkatswamy, Shri G. Saipl, Sbri A. S. Sheth, Shri T. M. Verma, Shri Balgovind Saleem, Shri M. Yunus .• Sbinde, Shri Annasahib Verma, Shri Prom Chand Salw, Shri Nanmdra Kumar Shinlcre, Shri Virbhadra Singh, Shri Samanla, Shri S. C. Shiv Chandrika Prasad. Shri Viswambharan, Shri P. Sarnbasivam, Shri Shh'appa, Shri N. Viswanatham, Sbri Tenneti Saqhi, Shri N. K. Shukla, Shri S. N. Xavier, Shri S. Sanji Rupji, Shri Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan Yadab, Sbri N. P. Sankata Prasad, Dr. Siddaya, Shri Yadav, Shrl Chandra Ieet Sant Dux SiDah, Shri Siddbesbv,;ar Prasad, Shri Vadav, Shri Jageshwar Sapre, Shrimati Tara Singh, Shri D. N. NOI!'S Ayarwal, Shri Ram Singh Jena, Shri D. D. Sharma. Shri Ram Avtar Bcrwa, Shli Onkar Lal Joshi, Shri Jagannath Rao Sharma, Shri ~ Datt Bramhanandji, Shri Kaehwai, Sbri Hukam Shastri, Shri Prakash Vir Brij Bhushan Lal, Shri Chand Sbastri, ShftShiv Kumar Brij Raj Singh Kotah, Shri Kothari, Shri S. S. Sondhi, Chauhan, Shri Bharat Singh Kushwah, Shri Y. S. Shri M. L. Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. Nayar, Sbrimati Shakuntala Suraj Bhan. Shri Digvijai Nath. Shri Mahant Onkar Singh, Sbrl Tyagi, Shri O. P. Goyal, Shri Shri Chand Ranjit Singh, Shri Vidyarthi. R. S. Gupta, Shri Kanwar Lal Sharda Nand, Shri ·Vyas. Shri Ramesh Iai Sinsh. Shri Sharma, Shri Narain Swarup Chandra 241 ColIStllution CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) COMtItUlIo1l 242 (22l1li Amdl.) BIll (22tttJ Amdt.) Bin MR.. SPEAKER.: The result- of the SHRI ABDUL GHANI: I bel to move: divisioD is: Ayes: 365; Noes : 30 Paac t, line 14,- 0IIII1 "or·' (7) The motion is carried by a majority of tho total membership of the House and by a PalO 1,- majority of not less than two-thirds of the tJmil IiDes IS to 17_ (8) memben present and voting. Paae 2,- -.II lines 1 to 17. (9) 71N mollo1l war adopted. SHR1 SHIV CHANDRA IRA: I beg to am. 2 (/1Iurllo1l "f1leM' article 244·,4) movc:- Page 2, line 22,- MR.. SPEAKER: We wiU DOW prOceed ,,,, "not less than two-thirds." with the clausc-byoClause consideration. _IIIlrw "simple majority. " (\2) There arc amendments to Clause 2. Shri Page 2,- Umaye is not here. Even then his amend- _It. lines 23 to 26. (14) ments are DOt in order. Shri Oar is moving SHRI ~ BARUA : (Manpdai) I beg his amendment No, 3. Shri Shiva Chandra to move:-. Jba is moviDg his amendments Nos. 4 and 6; Shrj Oar Is moving his amendments Nos. Page 2,- 7, 8 and 9; Nos. 10 and 11 are Shri Llmaye's after line 7, insert :- amendments and they are out of order. Provided that the Legislatnre of the Amendments Number 12 is that of Shri Shiva Chandra Jha which he is moving. autonomous State, shall have powers to 1JI&ke Shri Shiva Chandra Jha is also moving his laws for the whole or any part thereof, whether to the exclusion of the Legislature of amendment No. 14. Amendment Numben 19, 20 and 21 are those of Shrl M. Narayana the Stata of ~ or otherwise on the mbjects to be specified." (22) Reddy and Shri Limaye and the)' are out of order. Amendment Nos. 22 and 23 are Page 2, line 22,- those of Shri Hem Barua which he is moving. far "DOt less than two-thirds of the members present and voting" SARI ABDUL GHANI OAR: I beg to subslllUle: move :- "a majority of the total membership of Page I, line 9,- that House and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the members of that Honse present and voting." (23) _II "(whether wholly or in part)" (3) MR. SPEAKER: All the amendments which have been moved are in order. SHRI SHIV CHANDRA JHA: (Madhu- bani) I beg to move: Now one or two of you can say a few words. Mr. Jha, do you want to say anything? Page'l, lines 9 and 10,- '" m .r WI : ~ ~ 'fu omit "or ~ (4) ~~ r ~ ~~ fir; ~ f ~ following Memben also recorded their votes for: AYES: Sarvasbri K. Kanuaj, J. K. Choudhury, K. Suryanarayana, P. R. Thakur, V. Narasimha RIO, and Ramesh Chandra Vyu. 243 COll8tltutlDn APRIL, IS. 1969 Constitution. 244 (22nd Amdt.) Bill (22nd Amdr.) Bill [ ...... 1 ffl ~ ;;rT ~ ;;rT ~ ~ o6IIiT ~ P IIiT t ~ ~ ~ ;;rr.r , ;;r;r a-q ~ it mq- ;;r;r. ~ a-q Il1: ~ 't>)i ~ ~ f' ft ~ ~ 'ir'faT !fiT ~ ;;rr ~ t tit IR ~ m ~ ~ rr ~r I fit;. WI<: mq- ~ ipf ;r;ra''lI' ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~ ~~ m ~~~ ~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~ ~ it i1"f qm t fit; ~ ~ i11fir;l€W ~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ Ifli'i ~ t qR ~ if.!' :aom? ~~~ ~~ ~ m ~~~~~ ~ ~ ~ limf1 ~~ ~ ~ fW ~~ r '(IPifT \iITlI' , ~~~~ ~ ~~~~~~~ rr ~~ ~~ ~ ~ mlf ~ rr r ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ if ~~ r ~ r ~ ~~~ ~ Minister said could not convince me and he could not say much on this also. Under ~ ~ ~~ «mor· article 368 there should be not only two- 1m ~ ~ t fiI; IIrT'I" ~ ~ lIil tbird ml\.iority of the Members present and .nI1!e ~ i I voting but there should also be a majority of the total membership of the House. MR. SPEARER: Now, Shri Hem Barua. But here the ml\.iority of the total member- SHRI S. S. KOTHARI· (Mondsaur): On ship of the House has b:en omitted alto- a point of order. Under rule 338 ... gether. I want that to be maintained, because when we have all aflirmed our MR. SPEAKER: I have called Shri loyalty to the Constitution it should b. in ·Hem Barua. I shall call the bon. Member letter and in spirit. If that i. accepted, afterwords. then the provision that the law shall not be SHRI HEM BARUA: I am opposed to deemed to be an amendment of the Consti- this Bill on technical grounds. tution should be omitted,· because that does not fit into the picture. I have sugested certain amendments in I would also sll8llest that the phrase order to make this Bill a perfect one. My 'for the constitution and proper functionina first amendment reads thus : of such committee' in the proposed article Page 2, after line 7, insert : 371B of the Constitution should be omitted "Provided that the ICIlislature of the besause that deprives the State Assembly autonomous State shall have powers to make of its right to debate. laws for the whole or any part thereof, In article 368 It has been stipulated in whether to the c u~ o of the legislature the later part that DOl only the majority of of tbe State of Assam or otherwise on the the Houses of Parliament but the majority subjects to be sprcified." of the State Assemblies should by resolution adopt this Bill or any Bill whatsoever. But I have suggested that these subjects should here we find tliat there is no such provision be specified: The Asoka Mehta formula and even the Assam Assembly has been "'- was the best because that had formulated passed in this Bill. Therefore, I sugest that the subject on wbich legislation could be those words should be omitted. undertaken and on which the autonomous hill districts could lCllislate. Tho Asoka In order to make this Bill a ~r c one, Mehta formnla was specific about it. The I have sll8lested these amendments, and I Asoka Mehta committee's recommendations hope and trust that the Home Minister who were rejected, because the APHLC people is a democrat would accept some of these refused to attend its meetings, and, therefore, amendments. they were not examiuecl on their best value. '" ~ '11ft m : r ~~ Under this Bill, in the autonomous hill 1ft ;;it ~ ;fo 3, 6, 7, 8 1Irn: 9 ~ districts, they want to introduce triarchy and ~ ~r ... 'fO ~ <'T'!i'l' it ~ ~ not dyarchy. The Sixth Schedule will remain, and then there will also be an ~ autonomous State within the Assam State. ~ ~~ ~ !!'!>ill' ~ "IT, This would mean triarchy and triarchy ~ ~ ~Pr ~ r~ means anarchy. This will create administra- orr lIT ..... I' tive and 'also IIDOlraphical difficulties. ;;f m it't ~ ri f.t;Itr r~ 11ft It was precisely to avoid these di1liculties a.-&'T1r iF e-rll ~ ~ ~ ~ or ror iFlfi?;lrt that the Asoka Mehta formula had recom- I ;;ror ~ ~r r ~ mended that out of 55 subjects, SO should if'ff m it 11ft be given to the autonomous hill districts. iF ~ ~ ~ r fIT ~ ~.. ~ I have SUllested a proviso to the effect that ~ ~ ..r ~ lIf\" ~ ~ fIT 6iT the subjects should be specified. ~ ~ lIf\" 1fII1Ift it IIrT iR ~ I had raised in tbe momilla the point about violation of article 368 of the Consti-' it 'f.l ~ ct ~ ~~ ~ r ~ fiR ~ ~ fQt ...~ lIT ~ lIT ~ ror m ~ ~~ ~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ iI'n'IT t m- ~ fit; ~ ~ ~ ;:m i r ~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~~ r~ ~ ~ ~ .re, ~ morm 1fa" if ~ IIi'\'t ft1fa" ;r;) ~ ~ ~ I q;JW ~ cmrr iIt\' t IfIffllI; ~ m~ ~ ~ ~ ~ '" ~ '!it ~ J iI'n f.rlIT ~ r ~ ~ if' ), • .11. , ~ m ~ r ~ ~ ~ ~ RlIT roii ~ ~ ~ (t ;r m- I .... ~~ ~ r ~ ~~ ~~~ . jL)", ~ JiAJ tl l.f L{v: .n "IJ'I q;ft m: 1966 it 133 ~~ ~ ~ ~ 1967 it 209 ~ ~ ~ m 1968 it 331 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ L ?U'-:J ~ ~ ~ ~ Tfty t I m\iI" ~ IfiT ~ ~ t . L!( ~ L" ~ ~ ~ rr~~ ~ ~ ~ _ -V";"--' -'-'-{'-",-'M"V ~~ if' crm.rrq; I ~ ~ ~ fiI;;rt c ~u:J4-.l(., ~ r~ ~ ~ ~ 8) ,/ ,/ ~ • !oJ 711,,' •• ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ /...... 1..1"""'" ,-,-,It.( ~~ t.P-" ~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ If'' fiR" ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ fiI; ~ Iflif mm- (mrlflif ~ ~ m ~ P ~ ~ ~ ~ c ~ ~ fiI; qa; "";;rrif ~ I ~ IIiT ~ ~ ...:IJl ~ ~ t fiI; m;;r m ~ iIt\'"t I ~ ... ~ ~~ ~ cI'~ v1.J-' ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ (:)/ u~ ~~ ~ '11").: lIT m ~ 'liT $m;r lF1 ~ 'liT iA; 'IiVIT ~~~ lIT ~ ~ ~ i 1:)/c.r.:fl ..)} ~ u~ L...( v... .J ~ ~ ;;n;rr ~~ I ...1 ~~ it \jfCf,. ron ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ., :1- ~ ~ ~ or~ //If..J,.?' ~ ~ 'liTm r ~r ~~ 'if<'! ~r ~ I ~ ~ "I ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ rr ~ t i fiI; mr ~1- ~,:,.. • ~ r: m m- 'I'it-il"it ~ i ;r " I ~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 4:1/ ~~~~ ~ ~ r 'It ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~r ~~~ ~~~ ..fI ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ Ir' "'"V.I"" c ~ 249 C_tltlllltnl CHAITRA 2S, 1891 (SAU) Constltutltm 250 (22114 Amdt.) SUI (22114 ..4mdt.) Bill ~ ~~ ~ I. d ~ ~ L.J, c ~ ::f1J(f/y·Q V::'" I. ~r ~ r. ~ rr 4.I.""".,IJI,Lf ;{.J, if/2..Lif. t.JJJcf.t u ~.{1/.-0 ~ ~ -= ~ ~c ~ d ~~ u P ~ P ltJ ~~~ o J j, ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ( - 7-'(J/ ~~ fieR·vi'; ;, ~ r SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: I am sure_ would all like some constitutional proprie- 1.{1 ~ c ~~ ~ ~ ties to be observed in this House with regard 10' the passqe oC this Bill. When this Bill '-':.iLJJ. ~ ~ was last considered, clause 2 had been deci- ded upon by the House. Under rule 338, "A motion shall not raise a question ....J/,f<./l2!- ~~J''- '-!J L{ ~ substantially identical with one on which the House has given a decision in the ;{J( ,-;L./l"A,()/J,){L/u/. same session." ~ ~~ I would ,appeal to )OU, thereCore, to 0L.'r£;fJ0 consider that the motion under rule 388 c) ;'/' ,.,/ which has been brought forward by the ~ c ~ Home Minister only deals with the question of its appIicstion to the motion Cor conside- P ~~/v.l./,;{£ ~ ratioD oC the Bill. But while we are tryina to pass the clause, that rule 338 would ,.:)/,J'J ~~ ~ r ~ apin have to be suspended. So, the Home- Minister should spin come forward with a motioo before tbe House. I think he will ~~ u~~~ have to live notic and come forward with BUCh a motion tomorrow before the House, ~ ~ c o r and if the House give s him permission then clause 2 can be taken up by the House for If Ir t;(u: J!J,./J'. -0 v:fL J) &:- coasideration. That is my submission. MR. SPEAKER: PennissiPII was Iakea ~},-,NjP( £e)'vINJi Cor the wbole Constitution Am.ndment Bill. . When I called Shri Kothari, he lOt up ia I:r. ~ ~ ~~~ Cull, not a part of Shri Kothari. ~ ~ ~ u~ SHRI S. S. KOTHRI: In that way, the first resdinl should have been enouah; there is no used for a second and third £L ~ (.;0;{tJ I#(':")./..!t{;- readin&. ~ MR. SPEAKER: I have liven my rulin&. ~ I:! (.·0 ";::"LlJrf-":t Pennission was taken Cor the whole Bill, not ~ -':1 ~ ~~ a part of it. I shall now put all the amendments to clause 2 topther to the vote of the ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ r bouse. 251 COtUlllllllolI APRIL, IS, 1969 COlUtitutlo1l 252 (22mJ Amdt.) Bill (22M Amdt.) Bill The Amelldmellt8 Nos. j 4 6 10 9 12 14 22 The question is : IJIId 23 were put alld lIegatlved MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put clause "That clause 2 sland part or the' Bill". 2 10 the vote of the House. Let the lobbies be cleared-Lobbies, have been clear.:d. The Lok Sabho Iit.lded : DI .... No. !I] AYES [15. 30 IIoan Abraham, Shri K.M. Chatlerji, Shri Krishna Gowd, Shri Gadilingana Achal Singh, Shri Kumar Gowda, Shri M.H. Agadi, Shri S.A. ChatUrvedi, Shri R.L. Gowder, Shri NlUija Ahirwar, Shri Natbu Ram Chaudhary, Shri Niirtaj Guha, Shri Samar Ala, Shri Ahmad Singh Gupta, Shri lDdrajit Ahmad, Dr. I. Chavan, Shri D.R. Gupta. Shri Lakhan Lal Ahmed, Shri F.A. ChavaD, Sbri Y.B. Gupta, Shri Ram Kishan Ahmed, Shri J. Choudhary, Sbri Valmiki Hajcmawis, Sh ri Amat, Shri D. Choudhary, Shri J.K. Haldar, Shri. K. Amin, Sbri R.K. DaIbir Singh, Shri Hanumanthaiya, Shri Anirudhan, Shri K. Damani, Shri S.R. Hari Krishna, Shri Anjanappa, Shri B. Danae, Shri S.A. Hazarika, Shri J.N. AnkiDeedu, Sbri Das, Shri N.T. Hecrji Bhai, Sbri Amm\lllBm, Shri R.S. Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Hem Raj, Shri Asahar Husain, Sbri Dass, Shri C. Himatsiqka, Shri· Azad, Shri Bhapat Jha Dev, Shri D.N. Iqbal Singh, Shei Babunath Sinah, Shri Debbarma, Shri Bikram Jadhav, Shri Tulshidas Beuerjee, Shri S.M. Kishore Jadhav, Shri V.N Barrow, Sbri Deo, Shri R.R. Sinlh Jaggaiah, Shri K. Barna, Shri Bedabrata DeOlhare, Shri N.R. Jagjiwan Ram, Shri Barn, Shri R. DesaI, Shri C. C. Jamir, Shri S.C. Barupal, Shri P.L. Desai, Sbri Morarji Jamna Lal, Shri Basu, Shri Jyotirmoy Deshmukh, Shri B.D. Janardhahan, Shrl C. Basuuatari, Shri Dedunukh,SbriK.G. Joshi, Shri S.M. Baswant, Sbri Deshmukh, Shri Shivajirao S. Kahandole, Shri Z.M. Besra, Shri S.C. DhiUou, Shri G.S. Kalila, Shri Dhireswar Bhaaaban DBs, Shri u r~ r Kamaraj, Shri K. Bhagat, Shri B.R. Dinesh Singh, Shri Kamble, Shri Bhagavti, Shri Dixit, Shri G.C. Kamcsbwar Sinsh. Sbri Bhakt Darshan, Sbri Dwivedi, Shei Naaeshwar Kamala Kumari, Komari Bhanu Prakash Singh, Shri Dwivedy, Shri Surcndranlllh Kapoor. Shel Lakhan Lal Bhargava, Shri B.N. Erinl. Shri D Karan Siosh. Dr. Bharti, Shri Maharaj Singh Bsthose, Shri P.P. Karni Singh Dr. Bhola Nath, Shri Fernandea. Shri Georae Kasture, Sbri A.S. Binia, Sbri KoJai Gajraj Singh Rao. Sbri Katham, Shri B.N. Bill, Shri J.B.S. Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Kavade, Sbri B.R Biswas, Shri I.M. Ganeah, Sbri K.R. Kcdaria, Shri C.M. Brahm Prakash, Shri Ganga Devi, Sheimali Kesri, Shri Sltararn Burman, Sbri Kirit Bikram Gautam, Shri C.D. Khadilkar, Sbri Deb Gavit, Shri Tukaram Khan, Sbri H. Ajmal Buta Singh, Shri Ghosh, Shri Bimalkanti Khan, Shri Ghayoor Ali Chakrapani, Shri C.K, Ghosh. Shrl Ganesh Khan, Sbri Latdat Ali Chanda, Shei Anil K. Ghosh, Sbri P.K. Khan, Shri M.A. Chanda, Shrimatt Jyotma Ghosh, Shri Parimal Khan, Shri Zu\fiquar Ali Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shrij Girraj Saran Singh, Sbri Khanna, Shri P.K. Cbandrika Prasad, Shri Gopalan, Shri P. KiDder LaJ, Shri Chatterjee. Shri N.C. GoviDd Das, Dr. Kisku, Shri A.L 253 Cons(lIll11on CHAITRA 25, 1891 (8.4£4) COlUtltllliDn 254 (22nd Nndt.) BIll (22nd AmdI.) BIU Koloki, Shri Liladbar Murti, Shri M.S. Rana, Shri M.B. Kousbik, Shri K.M. Muthusami, Shri C. Randhir SiDch, Shri Krip31ani, Shri J.B. Naghnoor, Shri M.N. Rane, Shri Kripalani, Shrimati Sucheta Nanhta, Shri Amrit Ranga, Shri Krishna, Shri M.R. Naidu, Shri Cbcngalraya Rao, Shri laganath Krishna, Shri O.Y. Naik, Shri O.C. Rao, Dr. K.L. KUDdu, Shri S. Naik, Shri R.V. Rao, Shri K. Naray8.na Ku_I, Shri B.N. Nambiar, Shri Rao, Shri Muthyal Kushok Bakula, Shri Nanda, Shri Rao, Shri J. Ramapathi Lakshmikanthamma, Shrimati Nath Pai, Shri Rao, Sbri Rameshwar Lalit Sen, Shri Nayar, Dr. Sushila Rao, Shri Thirumala Laskar, Shri N.R. Nihal Singh, Shri Rao, Dr. V.K.R.V Laxmi Bai, Shrimati Oraon, Shri Kartik Rao, Sbri V. Narasimba Lobo Prabhu, Shri Padmavati Devi, Shrimati Raut, Shri Bhola Lutfal Haque, Shri Pahadia, Shrl Jqannatb Ray, Shri Rabi Madhukar, Shri K.M. Palchoudhuri, Shrimati Reddy, Shri O.S. Mahadeva Prasad, Dr. Pandey, Shri K.N. Reddy, Shri Eswara Mahajan, Shri Vikram Chand Pandey, Shri Vishwa Nath Reddy, Shri Oanga Maharaj Singh, Shri Panigrahi, Shri ChintamaDi Reddy, Shri M.N. Mahida, Shri Narcndra Singh Pant, Shri K.C. Reddy, Shri P. Antony Mahishi, Dr. Sarojioi Paokai Haokip, Shri Reddy, Shri R.D. Majhi, Shri M. Parmar, Shri Bhaljibhai Reddy, Shri N. Sanjiva Malhotra, Shri Ioder J. Parmar, Shri D.R. Reddy, Shrimati Sudha V. Mandai, Dr. P. Partap Singh, Shri Reddy, Shri Surendar Mandai, Shri Yamuna Prasad Parthasarathy, Shri Robalgi Shrimati Sushila Mane, Shri Shankarrao Paswan, Shri Kedar Roy, Shri Bishwanath Manoharan, Shri Patel, Shri J.H. Roy, Shrimati Uma Maraudi, Shri Patel, Shri Manibbai J. Saboo, Shri Sbri Oopal Massni, Shri M.R. Patel, Shri Manubhai Sadhu Ram, Shri Masuriya Din 8hri Patel, Shri N.N. Saba, Dr. S.K. Mehta, Shri Asoka Patil, Shri Anantrao Saigal, Shri A.S. Mehta, Shri P.M. PatU, Shri Deorao Saleem, Shri M. Yunus Mclkote, Dr. PatU, Shri N.R. Salve, Shri Narcndra Kummar MeJIOII, Shri Oovinda Pati!, Shri S.B. Samanta, Shri S.C. . - MCIIOII, shii Vishwanatba Pati!, Shri S.D. Sambasivam, Shri MiDimata, Apm Dass Ouru PatU Shri T.A. Sanghi, Sbri N.K. Shrimati Poonacha, Shri C.M. Sanji Rupji, Shri Miaa, 8hri Dakar Ali Pradhani, Shri K. Sankata Prasad, Dr. Mishra, Shri Bibhuti Pramanik, Shri 1.N; Sant Dux Smah, Shri Mishra, Shri O.S. Prasad, Shri Y.A. Saprc Shrimali Tara Mishra, Shri Janeshwar Qureshi, Shrl Mohd. Sham Sarma, Shri A.T. Modak, Shri B.K. Radhabai, Shrimali B. Satya Nalllin Singh, Shri Mody, Shrl PiIoo Raghu Ramaiab, 8hri Savitri Shyam, Shrimali Mohamed Imam, Shri J. Raj Deo Singh, Shri Sa)'elld, SOO P.M. Mohammed Ismali, Shri Rajasekharan, Shri Sayyad Ali, Shri Mohammed Yusuf, Shri Raju, Shri D.B. Sen, Shri A.K. Mohain, Shri Raju, Dr. D.S. Sc:o, SOO Deven Mohihdcr Kaur, Shrimati Ram, Shri T. Sen, Shri Dwaipayan Molabu Prasad, Shri Ram Dhan, Shri Sen, Shri P.O. Mondal, Shri Jup! Ram Dhani Du, Shri Sen. Dr. RaDen Mrityunjay Prasad, Shri Ram Sewak .. Shri Ch_hary Sequeira. Sbri Mukerjee, Shrl H.N. Ram Subhag Singh, Dr. Sethi, Shri P. C. MukeJjcc, Shrimati Sharda Ram Swamp, Shri Sethuraman, Shri N. MukDc, Shri 'Yeshwantrao Ramamoorthy, Shri S.P. Shah. Shrimati Jayaben MuIla, Shri A.N. Ramamurti, Shri P. Shah Shri Manabendra Murthy Shri B.S. Ramshekhar Prasad Sfqh, Shri Shah, Shri ShantUal 2S5 CtNuIllllliIm APJUL IS, 1969 COIUIIIlItItm 256 (22l1li Amdl.) Bill (221f1l Nndt.) Bill Shah, Shri Virendr'akwnar Sinah, ShriD.N. Thakur, Shri P.R. Shambhu Nath, Shri Sinah, Sbri D.V. Tiwary, Shri D.N. Shankaranand, Shri B. Sinha, Sbri Mldrika Tiwary, Shri K.N. Sharma, Shri Madhorarn Sinha, Sbri, R.K. Tripathi, Shri K.D. Sharma, Shri Naval Kishore Sinha, Shri Satya Narayan Tula Ram, Shri Sharma, Shri Yopadra Sinha, Sbrimati Tarkeshwarl Uikey, Shri M.O. Shashi Bhushan, Shri btak, Shri Nar nco U1aka, Shri Ramachandra Shastri, Shri Biswanarayan Solankl, Shri S.M•. Veerappa 8hri Ramac:huldra ShastrI. Shri Ramavatar Somani, Shri N.K. . Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. Shastri, Shri RamlllWld Sonar, Dr. A.O. Venkatswamy, Shri G. Shastsi, Shri Shcopujan SoDa vane, Shri Verma, Shri Bal&ovind Sheo Narain, Shri Sudarsanam, Shri M. Verma, Shri PIem chand Sher SiDah, Shri Sunder LaI, Shri Virbhadra Sinah, Shri Shinde, Shri ADuasahib Supakar, Shri Sradhakar Viawambharaa. 8hri P. Shinkrc, Shri Surcndra Pal SiDah, Shri Vitwanatham, Shri TenDeti Shiv Chandika Prasad, Shri Sursinah, Shri Vyas, Shri Ramesh Chandra Shivappa, Shri N. Suryanarayan, Shri K. Xavier, Shri S. Shukla, Shri S.N. Swaran Sinah, Shri Yadab, Shri N.P. Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan 8well,Shri Yadav, Shri Chandm Jee! Siddayya, Shri Tapuriah, Sbri SOX. Yadav, Shri Jaaeshwrr Siddheswar Prasad, Shri Tarodekar, Shri V.B. NOES Ayarwal, Shri Ram Sinlh Gupta, Shri Kanwar Lal Ranjit Sinah, Shri IIerwa, Shri Onkar Lal Jai Singh, Shri Shuda Nand, 8hri Bramhanandji, Shri lane, Shri D.D. Sharma, Shri N. Narain SwarUp Brij Bbushan Lal, Shri lha, Shri Shiva Cbandra Sharma, Shri Ram A Vlar Brij Raj Sinah-KDtah, Shri loshi, Shri Jaaannath Rao Sharma, Shri Yajna Dati Chauhan, Shri Bharat Sinah Kachwai, Shri Hukam Chand Shastri, Shri Prakash Vir Dar, Shri Abdul Ghani " Kothari, Shri S.S. Shastri, Sbri SIIlv KIDDar Daschowdhury, Shri B.K. Kuahwah, Shrl Y.S. Sandhi, Shri M.L. DevIIlD, Shri HardayaJ Nayar, Shrimati Shakuntala Suraj Bhan, Shri Digvijai Nath, Shri MabaDt Onkar Siqh, Shri Tyagi, Shri O.P. Goyal, Shri 8hri Chand *Patn, 8hri C.A. Vidyarthi, Shrl R.S. MR. SPEAKER.: The result* of !be '" ~ aT : ~ If\'rT\W it ~ division is : yes 364; Noes 33. ~ The motiou is carried by a majority of the total mcmber6hip of the House and by Paae 2, lines 44 and 45, a majority of not .. than two-thirds or !be memben present and votina. 0 ..11 "to that of !be admiDiltration ef the rest of !be State of Auam.... (15) . The nwtion WQ.I' adopted. ~ ~~~ Claw. 2' WQ.f odded ttl the BYI 'tftcit a.- 3. (Amadmeni t1/ tll'llc:I. 275) ~ nm .n ~ m ftrI!; q: ~ t fit; WoIT (t cim mt MR. SPEAKER.: We JO to clause 3 now, Mr. Shiva 0IaIIdra Jha has an iiIT1:t ij"'61F.t'Fc!i IR t f'&ra;rr ~ it; amendment. ftrl:t I ~ q 'Iiit ~ ~ t fit; *WroDJ1y "otcd for NOES. * The following Members also recorded their vots:- AYES: Samuhri. Oubrlal BohIa, Avadsh Chandra Sinah, Devinder IYD&h, T. M. Sheth: Vidya Dhar BtVpai. Dlnkar Deaai, C. A. PatiiaDd Shrimaii Rajni DeYi NOES: Sbri S. D. SoIllUllDClarlD. 257 CtIIIItltllllon CHAITRA 25. 1891 (SAKA) CtNutl",,1on 258 (22nd Admt.) Bill (22nd AdmI.) BUI ~ IIiI' ~ .jQT ~ ~ a;.'IJT n Qlf ~ 'IN. '" if."{ 1ft it srvm;r if fiRr "IT lJif.tIT ~ I IR ofQT m liT um ~ ~ ~~ ~ a;.:;n fifilfJ" "IT ~ t qn: '"llm ofQT ~ ~~ rr~ ~ ~ mr ... ~ aT r~ ~ liT ~ fifo ~ I ~ ~ rr~~ I "to that of tbe administration of the rest of the State of Assam." "for !be purpose of raising !be level ~ r ~~ ~ ~ rr~ of adminislratloD of that State to that '1fr ~ ~ ~ ~ mil" r~ 3m- of tbe admiDistration of the rest of !be qn: State of Assam." ~ ~ u ~ ~ MR. SPEAKER: I shall DOW pat &mOD- ~~~ if.r.rr ~ dmeDt No. 15 to the vote of the I'-. mlf mfirn if."{ ~ t.1 ~ ~ Anwndment No. IS pili and nqallntI. mcmr ~ ~~ t fifo ;it ~ f,;riI'f if.T;rt ~ ~~ ~ ~ q!]'1f ~ ~ .n m... ar: ~ if.{r t IFfl ~~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ r ~~ ~ r ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ r~ ~~r MR. SPEAKER: I shall DOW put claUle 3 to tbe vote of the House. if.) ;r ~ I it ~ R· f.I; qrq ~ ~ ~ The questiOD is: "That clause 3 staDd part of the Bill." "to that of the admlaistratiOD of tho rest ot !be State A.am." 0ItIIIaa No. 10] AYES [15.37 In. Abnham, Shri K. M. Bajpai Shri Vidya Dbar Birua, Shri Kolai Achal SiDgh, Shri BaDerjee, Shri S. M. Bist, Shri 1. B. S. Agadi, Shri S. A. Banow, Shri Biswas, 8hri 1. M. Ahirwior, Shri Nathu Ram Barua, Shri Bedabrata Bohra, Shri Ookarlal Aga, Shri Ahmad Barus, Shri R. Brahm Prakash, Shri Ahmad, Dr. I. Barupal, Shri P. L. Burman, Shri Kiri! Bikrllm Ahmed, 8hri F. A. Basu, Shri lyotinnoy Deb Ahmed, Shri 1. Basumatari, Shri Buta Singh, Shri Amat, Shri D. Baswant. Shri Chakrapaoi, Shri C. It. AmiD, Shri R.K. Besra, Shri S. C. Chanda, Shri ADiJ It. AmiD, Shri Ramclaaadra 1. Bhagabao Das, Shri Chanda, Sbrimati lJOlIDB Anirudha, Shri It. Bhagat, Shri B. R. Chandra Shethar SlDah, ADjaDapp, Shri B. Bhayavati, Shri Shri AakiDeodu, Shri Bhakt DarsIwI. Shrl Chandrika Prasad, Shri Arumugam, Shri R. S. Bhanu. Prakash 8iD1h. Shri Chatterjel, Shri N. C. Awadllsh Chandra SiDIb, Shri Bbargava, Shri B. N. CbatterjeD, Shri Krlslma Azad, Shri Bbagwat 1ha Bhartl, Shri Maharaj SiDgh Kumar BabllD8th SiD&h, Shri BhoJa Nath. Shri ChuurwdJ, Shri R. L. 2 S9 COMtItIItiorr APRIL IS, 1969 ConstitutlOll 260 , (22nd .4mdt,) Bill (22nd .4mdt.) Bill Chaudhary, Shri NitiJaj Hazarika, Shri 1. N. Mabida, Shri Narendra Singh Heerji Bhai, Shri SiDah Chavan, Shri D R. Hem Raj, Shri . Mahisbi, Dr. Sarojini Chavan. Shri Y. B. Himatsiqka, Shri Majhi, Shri M. Choudhary, Shri Valmiki Iqbal SiDah, Shri Malhotra, Shri Inderj J. Qaudhury, Shri J. K. Jadhav, Shri Tulshidas Mandai, Dr. P. Dalbir Siqh, Shri Jadhav, Shri V. N. Mandai, Shri Yamuna Damaui, Shri S. R. Jagaiab, Shri K. Prasad Danae, Shri S. A. Jaajiwan Ram, Sbri Mane, Shri Sbankarrao Das, Shri N. T. Jalpal Singh, Shri Manoharan, Shri Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Jamir, Shri S. C. Marandi, shii Dasa, Shri C. Jamana Lal, Sbri Masani, Shri M. R. Deb, Shri D. N. JanardbanBD, Shri C. Masuriya Din, Shri DCo, Shri K. P, Singh Joshi, Shri S. M. Mehta, Shri Asoka nco, Shri R. R. Singh Kahandole, Shri Z. M. Mehta, Shri P. M. Deogbarc, Shrl N. R. Kalita, Shri Dhireswar Melkote, Dr. Desai, SJui C. C. Kamaraj, Shri K. Menon, Shri Govinda Desai, Shri Dinkar Kamble, Shri Menon, Shri Vishwanatba Desai. Shri Morarji Kamesbwar Sinsh, Shri Minimata Agam Dass Guru Desbmukh, Shri B. D. XamaIa Kumari, Kumari Shrimati Desbmukb, Shri K. G. Kapoor, Shri Lakban Lal Mirza, Shri Bakar Ali De,hmukh, Shri Shivajirao S. Karan SiDah, Dr. Misbra, Shri Bibhuti Dcvinder Singh, Shri Karni Sinsh, Dr. Mistra, Shri G. S. Dhillon, Shri G. S. Kasture, Shri A. S. Misra, Shri Janeshwar DhrBDgashra, Shri Sriraj . Katham, Shri B. N. Modak, Shri B. K. Megbraiii Kedaria, Shri C. M, Mody, Sbrl Pilloo Dhuleshwar Meena, Shri Kesri, Shri Sitaram ·Mobamad Immam. Shrl J. Dinesh Singh, Shri Kbadi1kar, Shri Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Dixit, Shri G. C. Khan, Shri H. Ajmal Mohan Swarup. Sbri Dwh-edi, Shri Nagoshwar Khans Shri Gbayoor Ali Mobsin, Shri Dwivedy, Shri Surenderaaath Khan, Shri Latafat Ali Mobincler Kaur, Sbrimati Erins, Shri D. Khan, Shri M. A. Molobu Prasad, Sbrl Esthose, Shri P.P. Khan, Shri Zulfiquar Ali Mondal, Sbri Jupl Fernandes, Shri George Khanna, Shri P. K. MrilyUnjay Prasad, Shri Gajraj Singh Rao, Shri Kinder Lal, Shri Mukerjee, Shri H. N. Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Kisku, Shri A. K. Mukerjee, Shrimati Sharda Guah, Shri K. R. Katoki, Shri Uladhar Mukne, Shri Yesbwantrao Ganga Devi Shrimati Kaushik, Shri K. M. Mulla, Sbri A. N. Gautam, Shri C. D. Kripalani, Shri J. B. Murthy. Shri B. S. Gavit.Shri Tukaram Kripalani, Shrimati Sucbeta Murti, Shri M. S. Ghosh, Shri Bimalkanti Krishna, Shri M. R. Mutbusami, Shri C. Ghosh, Shri Ganesh Krishnan, Shri G.Y. Naalmoor, Shri M. N. Ghosh, Shri P. K. Kundu, Shri S. Nahata, Shri Amrit Ghosh, Sbrl Parimal Kureel, Shri B.N. Naidu, Sbri ChengalJaYII Girraj Saran Singh, Shri Kushok Bakula, Shri Naik, Shri O. C. Gopalan, Shri P. Lakkappa, Shri K. Naik, Shri R. V. Govind Das, Dr. Lakahmikanthamma, Nambiar, Shri Gowd, Shri Gadiliqana Sbrimati Nanda, Sbri Gowda, Shri M. H. Lalit Sen, shri Nath, Pai Sbri Gowder, Shri Nanja Laskar, Shri N. R. Nayar Dr. Sushilla Guha, Shri Samar Laxmi Bai, Sbrimati i Nibal Sinsh, Sbd Gupta, Shri Indrajit Lobo Prabhu, Shri Oraon, Shri Karlik Gupta, Shri Lakhan Lal Lutfal Haquo, Shri Paclmavati Devi, Shrimati Gupta, Shri Ram Kisban Madbukar, Sbri K. M. Pahadi8, Shri Jqannath Hajarnawis, Shri Mabadeva Prasad, Dr. Palcbondburi, Shrimati Da Haldar, Shri K. Mahajan, Shri Vikram Chand Pandey, Shri K. N. Hari Kisbana, Shri Mabaraj Singh, Shri Pancley, Shri Visbwa Nath 26 I CtJlUtllUlion CHAITRA 25, 1891 (S.4KA) CDn.lltUllon 262 (2211d AmI.) Bill (22nd AmI.) Bill Panigrahi, Shri Chintamani Rao, Shri V. Narasimba Shastri, Shri Shoopujan Pant, Shri K. C. Raut, Shri Bbala Shoo Narain, Shri Paokai Haokip, Shri Ray, Shri Rabi Sher Singh, Shri Parmar, Shri Bhaljibhai Reddi, Shri G. S. 'Sheth, Shri T. M. Parmar, Shri D. R. Reddy, Shri Eswara Shinde, Shri AmJasahi b Partap Si!l8h, Shri Reddy, Shri Ganga Shinkre, Shri Parthasarathy, Shei Reddy, Shri M. N. Shiv Chandika Prasad, Shri Paowan, Shri Kedar Reddy, Shri P. Antony Shivappa, Shri N. Patel, Shei J. H. Reddy, Shei R. D. Shukla, Shri S. N. Patel, Shri Maoibhai J. Reddy, Shri N. Sanjiva Shukla. Shri Vldya Charan Patel, Shri Manubhai Reddy, Sheimati Sudba V. Siddayya, Shri Patel, Shri N' N. Reddy, Shri Surendar Siddheshwar Prasad, Shri Patil, Shri Anantrao RobalBi,. Shrimati Sushila Singh, Shri D. N. Patil, She; C. A. Roy, Shri Bishwaoalh Singh, Shri D. V. Patil, Shri Deorao Roy, Shrimali Uma Soiha Shri Mudrika PatiJ, Shri N. R. Saboo, Sbri Shri Gopal Sinha, Shri R. K. Patil, Shr; S. B. Sadhu Ram, Shri Sinha, Shri Satya Narayan Patil, Shri T. A. Saba, Dr. S. K. Sinha, Shrimatl Tarkeshwati Poooacba, Shri C. M. Saigal, Shri A. S. Sutak, Shri Nar Dca Pradbani, Shri K. Saleem, Shri M. Yuous Solanki, Shri S. M. Pramaoik, Shri J. N. Salve, Shri Narendra Kumar Somani. Shri N. K. Prasad. Shri Y. A. Samanta, Shri S. C. Sonar, Dr. A. G. Qureshi, Shri Mohd Shafti Sambasivam, Shri Sonavane, Shr; Radbabai, Sbrimati B. Sanghi, Shri N. K. Sudarsanam, Shri M. Raghu Ramaiah, Shri Sauji Rupji, Shri SUDder LaJ, Shri Raj Dco Singh, Shri Sankala Prasad, Dr. Sopakar, Shri Sradhakar Rajasekharan, Shei Sant Bux Sinsh, Shri Surendra Pal Singh, Shri Rajoi Devi, Shrimati Sapre, Shrimati Tara . Sursinsh. Shri Raju, Shri D. B. Sarma. Shri A. T.. Suryanarayana, Sbri K. Raju, Dr. D. S. Satya Narain Siogh, Shri Swarao Singh, Shri Ram, Shri T. Sayeed, Shri P. M. Swell, Shri Ram Dbao, Shri Sayyad Ali, Shri Tapuriah, Shri S. K. Ram Dhaoi Du, Shri Sen, Shri A. K. Tarodekar, Shri V. B. Ram Sewak, Shri Cboudhary Sen, Shri Deveo Thakur, Shri P. R. Ram Subbag Sing, Dr. Sen, Shri Dwaipayan Tiwary, Shri D. N. Ram Swarup, Shri Sen, Shri P. G. Tiwary, Shri K. N. Ramamoorthy, Shri S. P. Sen, Dr. Rauen Tripatbi. Shri K. D. Ramamurly, Shri P. Sequeira, Shri Tula Ram, Shri Ramshckhar Prasad SiDJh Sethi, Shri P. C. Uikey, Shri M. G. Shri Sethuraman, Shri N. Ulaka, Shri Ramac:bandra Rana, Shri M. B. Shah, Shrimati layabeo Veerappa, Shri Ramachandra Randbir Singh, Shri Shah, Shri Manabeodra Veokatasubbaiah. Shri P. Rane, Shri Shah, Sbri Shantilal 'Veokatswamy, Shri G. Ranga, Shri Shah, Shri Vireodrakumar Verma, Shri BaIaoviod Raujit Sing, Shri Shambhu Nath, Sbri Verma, Shri Prom Chand Rao, Shri Jagaoalh Shankaraoand, Shri B. Virbhadra Singh, Shri Rao, Dr. K. L. Sharma,Shri Madboram Viswambharan. Shri P. Rao, Shri K. Narayana Sharma, Shri Naval Kishore Viswanatbam, Shri T_ti Rao, Shri Malhyal Sharma, Shri Yopodra Vyas, Shei Ramesh Cbandra Rao, Sbri I. Ramapatbi Shashi Bhusbao, Sbri Xavier, Shri S. Rao,ShriRaDHmhwar Shastri, Shri Biswanarayan Yadav, Shri N. P. Rao, Sbri Thirumala Shastri, Shri Ramavatar Yadav. Shri Chandra leel Rao, Dr. V. K. R. V. Shastri, Shri RamlUllllld Yadav, Shri Jaseshwar Cf/IufIt.".. o ~ 264 263 C01lllffllllDn APRIL IS, 1969 (22l1li AnrtIt.) Bill (22l1li AM.) BIU NOES Ayarwal. Shri Ram SiDgh Jai Sinah, Shri Sharda Nand, Sbri Bcrwa, Shri ODkar Lal Jena, Shri D. D. Sharma, Shri Naraiu Swarup BramhaDlllldji Shri Jha, Shri Shiva Chandra Sharma, SIui Ram Avtar Brij Bhusban Lal, Shri Joshi, Shrl JapmIIlth Rao Sharma. Shri YajDa Datt Brij Raj Sin&h-Kotab, Shri Kachwai, Shri Hubm Chand Shastri, Sbri Prakash Vir Chauhan, Shri Bharat Sin8\1 Kothari, Shri S. S. Shastri, Shri Shiv Kumar Daschowdhwy, Shri B. K. Kushwab, Shri Y. S. SODdhi, Shri M. L. Devgon, Shri Harda,u Goyal, Sbri Shri Chand Nayar, Shqmati Shakuutala SUraj BhBD, Shri Guba, Shri Samar 0Dkar SiD&h, Shri Tyagi, Shri O. P. Gupta, Shri Kanwar LaI Ral\jit SiDgh, Shri Vid)artbi, Shri R. S. *MR. SPEAKER: The result of the Pap 3, liDos 10 and 11, __'1 division is: . "and for the modifications to be made AYES: 372 iD the rules of procedwe of that Assembly" (28) NOES: 30 MR. SPEAKER: I shan put the amend- The motion is carried by a majority of ment to the vote of the House. the Iotal membership oC the House and by AmeltdtMnt No. 21 _ pili Il1IlI a majorily DOt less thaD two-thirds oC the or nqatlnd. Members prcscDt and votina. MR. SPEAKER: I sbaIJ DOW put n. MollDII WII6 adopled clause 4 10 the vote of the House. The ques- CIIIuse 3 was added 101M Bill tiOD is: C1a_ 4: (Ituerlkm 01 nrtII arllcle 311 11) "That clause 4 stand part oC the Bill." SHRI HEM BARUA: Sir, I mow: 0RiII0D No. 11] AD'S [15A1 .... Abraham, Shri K.M. ~d ShrlBbarwatJba Bharti, Shri Mabaraj Slqh Achal Singh. Shri Babuuath Singh, Sbri Bhola Nath, Shri AIadi, Shri S.A. Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar Birua, Shri Kolai Ahhwar, Shri Nathu Ram Banerjee, Sbrl S.M. Bist, Sbri J .B.S. Ap, Shri Ahmad Barrow, Shri BilWBS, Shri J.M. Ahmad Dr. I. Barua, Shri Bcdabrata Dohra, Shri 0DkarIaI Ahmed, Shri F.A. Barua, Sbri R. Brahm Prakash, Shrl Ahmed, Shri J. Darupal, Shri P.L. Burman, Sbri Kirit Bikram Amat, Shri D. Basu, Shri Jyotirmoy Deb AmiD, Shri R.IC. Basomatar!, Shrl Buta Sinah, Shri Amin, Shri Ramcbaadra ,; Baswant, Shri Chakrapani, Shri C.K; ADirudhan, Shri K. Besra, Sbri S.C. ChaDda, Shri Anil K. ADjanappa, Shri B. Bhapban Das, Shri Chanda, Shrimatl JyotlDa . ADkiDeedu, Shri Bh ...t, Shri B.R. Chandra Shothar Siqh, Shri Arumugam, Shrl R.S. Bbagavati, Shri Chandrika Pnsad, Sbri Asghar Husain, Shri Bhakt Darshan, Shri Chatterjee, Shri N.C. Awadesh Chandra Singh, Bhanu PrakaIh Singh, Shri Chatterjee, Shri Krishna Shri Bharpva, Shri B.N. Kumar * The followlll8 Members alao rec:mded their VO\ell for AYES: Sarvashri Aqhar Husain .HaDumaDthaiya, Mohammad 1IID8iJ, and Shrimad 8avitrl Shyam. 265 CDIOIitIIIItm CHAITRA 2S. 1891 (SAKA) C01IItltUl/D" 266 (2211d Amdt.) Bill (22"d Amdt.) Bill Chaturvedi, Sbrl R.L, Hazarika Sbri J .N. Mabajan, Shri Vikram Chaudhary, Sbrl NJtiraj Heerji Bhai, Sbri Chand Slogh Hem Raj, Shri Maharaj Singh, Shri ChaYaa, Shri D.R. Himatsinglta, Sbri Mahida, Shri Narendra Sinah Cbavaa, Shrl Y.B. Iqbal SiOlh, Sbri Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini Choucllwy, Sbri Valmikf laclhay, Sbri Tulshidas Majhi, Shri M. Choudhury, Shri J.K. Jadhay, Shri V.N. Malhotra, Shri Inder J. Dalbir Singh, SbrI Jagaiah, Shri K. MandaI, Dr. P. Damaai, Shri S.R. Jagjiwan Ram, Sbri MandaI, Sbri Yamuna Prasad Daa.. , Shri S.A. Jaipal Siop, Shri Mane, Shrl Shankarrao Du, Shri N.T. lamir. Shri S.C. Manoharan, Shri Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas JamDa La!, Shri Marandi, Shri Dasa, Shri C. Jaoardhanan, Shri C. Masaoi, Shri M.R. Deo, Shri R.R. Singh Jha, Sbri Shiva Chandra Masuriya Din, Shri ,Deoghare, Shrl N.Il. Joshi, Sbrl S.M. Mehta, Sbri Asoka Desai, Shri C.C. Kahaodole, Shri Z.M. Mehta, Sbri P.M. Desai, Shri DiDkar Kalita, Shri Dbireawar M.lkote, Dr. Desai, Shrl Morarji Kamaraj, Shri K. Menon, Shri Goyinda Deshmukh, Shri B.D. Kamble, Shri Menon, Shri Vi.h_tha Deshmukh, Shri K.G. Kameshwar Siogh. Sbri , Minimata, Aama Dass Guru Dcshmukh, Shri Shlvajlrao S. Kamala Kumari, Kumari Shrimali Devinder Singh, Shri Kapoor, Shri Lakhan La! Mirza, Shri Dakar Ali Dhillon, Shri G.s. Karan SiOIh, Dr. Mishra, Sbri Bibhuli DhraDgadhra, Shri Sriraj Karoi Singb, Dr. Mishra, Shri G.s. Moghrajji Kasture, Shrl A.S. Misra, Shri Janeshwar Dhuledhwar Mecaa, Shri Katham, Shri &N. Modak, Shri B.K. DiDesb SinBh, Shri KaYade, Shri B.R. Mody, Shri Pilco Dixit, Shri G.C. Kedaria, Shrl CoM. Mohamed Imam, Shri Dwivodi, Shri Nagabwar Kesri, Shri Sitaram ,Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Dwivedy, Shri SurendraDath KhadUkar. Shri Mohsin, Shri EriDI, Shri D. Khan, Sbri H. Ajmal MohiDder Kaur, Shrimati Esthose, Shri P.P. Khan, Shri Ghayoor Ali Molabu Prasad, Shri FcrDandes, Sbri George Khan. Shri Lalafat Ali Mondal, Shri Jugal Gajraj Sin.h Rao, Shri Khan, Shri M.A. Mukerjee, Shri H.N. Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Khan, Shri Zulfiquar Ali Mukerjee, Shrimati Sharda Ganesh, Sbri LIt. Khanna, Shri P.K. Mukoe, Shri YeshwantnlO Ganga nevi, Shrimati Kinder La!, Sbri MuIla, Shri A.N. Gautam, Shri c.n. Kisku, Shri A.K. Murthy, Shrj B.S. Gavit, Sbri Tukaram Kotoki, Shri Liladhar Murti, Shri M.S. Ghosh, Shri BimalkaDti Koushik, Sbri K.M. Muthusami, Shri C. Ghosh, Shri Gancsh Kripalani, Shri J.B. Naghooor, Shri M.N. Ghosh, Sbri P.K. Kripalani, Shrimati Such.ta Nahata, Shri Amrit Ghosh, Shri Parimal Krishna, Shri M.R. Naidu, Shri Chengalraya ,Qirraj Saran SinBb, Shri Krishnan, Sbri G.Y. Naik, Sbri G.C. GopalaD, Shri P. Kondu, Sbri S. Naik, Shri R. V. GoviDd Du, Dr. Kureel, Sbri B.N. Nambiar, Shri Gowel, sIiri GadiliDlaDa Kushok Bakula, Sbri Nanda, Shri Gowda, Sbri M.H. Lakkappa, Shri K. Nath Pai, Shri Gowder, Shri Nanja Laksbmikaathamma, Nayar, Dr. Sushila Guha, Shri Samar Shrimati Nihal Singh, Shri Gupta, Sbri Indrajil Lalit Sen, Shri Onloo, Shri Karlik Gupta, Shri Lakhan Lal Laskar, Shri N.R. Padmavati Devi, Sbrimati Gupta, Sbrl Ram-Kishan Laxmi Bai, Shrimali , Pahadia, Shri JagaDllath Hajamawis, Shri Lobo Prabbu, Sbrl Palchoudhuri, Shrimati lIa Haldar, Shri K. Lutfal Haque, Shri Pandey, Shri K.N. HanumaDthaiya, Shri Madhukar, Shri K.M. Pandey, Shri Vishwa Natb Hart KrIshna, Shri Mahadcva Prasad, Dr. Panigrahi, Shri Cbintamani 267 COMtltutfoll APRIL 15, 1969 C01I8tItutitm 268 (22nd Amdt.) Bill (22nd Amdt.) Bill Pant, Sbri K.C. Raut, Shri Bhola Shea Narain, Sbri Paokai Haokip, Sbri Ray, Shri Rabi Sber Singh, Shri Parmar, Sbri Bbaljibbai Reddi, Shri G.s. Shetb, Sbri T.M. Parmar, Sbri D.R. Reddy, Shri Eswara Shinde, Shrl Annasahib Partap Singb, Sbri Reddy, Shri Ganga Shinkre, 8hri Partbasaratby, Sbrl Reddy, Shri M.N. Shiv Chandika Prasad, Shri Paswan, Shri Kedar Reddy, Shri P. Antony Shivappa, Shri N. Patel, Sbri J.H. Reddy, Sbri R.n. Shukla, 8hri S.N. Patel, Sbri Manibbai J. Reddy, Shrimali Sudha V. Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan Patel, Sbri Manubhai Reddy. Shri Surendar' Siddayya, Shri Patel, SOO N.N. Rohatai, Shrimatl SushUa Sidheshwar Prasad, Sbri Patil, Sbri Anantrao Roy. Shri Bishwanath Siugh, Shri D.N. PaUl, Shri C.A. Roy, Shrimatl Uma Singh, Sbri D.V. Patil, Sbri Deorao Saboo, Sbri Shri Gopal Sinha. Shrl Mudrika Patil, Sbri N.R. Sadhu Ram, Shri Sinha, Sbrl R.K. Patil, Shri S.B. Saba, Dr. S.K. Sinha, Sbri Satya Narayan Patil, Shri S.D. Saigal, Shri A:S. Sinba, Sbrimati Tarkeshwari Patil, Shri T.A. Saleem, Shri M. Yunus Snatak, Shri Nar Deo Poonacha, Shrl C.M. Salve, Shri Narendra Kumar Solanki, Shri S.M. Pradhani, Shri K. Samauta, Shri S.C. Somani, Shri N.K. Pramanik, Shri J.N. Sambasivam, Sbri Sonar, Dr. A.G .. Prasad, Sbri Y.A. Sangbi. Shri N.K. Sonavane, Shri Qureshi, Sbri Mobd. Sbafli Sanji Rupji, Sbri Sudarsanam, Sbri M. RadhabaJ, Sbrimati B. Saubta Prasad, Dr. Sunder Lal, Shri Ragbu Ramaiab, Shri Sant Bux Singb, Shri u ~ Shri Sradbakar Raj Dco Singb, Shri Sapre, Sbrimati Tara Surendra Pal Singb, Shri Kajaaekharan, Shri Sarma, Sbri A.T. Sursingb. Sbri Rajni Devi, 8hrimati Satya Narain Singh, Shri Suryanarayana, Shri K. Raju, Shrl D.B. Savitri Sbyam, Shrimati Swaran Silllb, Shri Raju, Dr. D.S. Sayeed Ali, Sbri P.M. Swell, Sbrl Ram, Shri T. Sayyad Ali, 8hri Tapurlah, Shri S.L Ram Dhan, Shri Sen, Sbri A.K. Tarodekar, Shri v.B. Ram Dbani, Das Shri Sen, Shri Deven Thakur, Sbri P.R. Kam Sewak, Shri Choudbury Sen, Shri ~ 'riwary, Shri D.N. Ram Subhag Sinah, Dr. Sen, Shri P.G. Tiwary,Sbri K.N. Ram Bwarup, Sbri Sen, Dr. Rantn Tripatbi, Sbrl K.D. Ramamoortby, Sbri SOP. Sequeira, Shri Tu1a Ram, Shri Ramamurti, Shri P. Sethi, Sbri P.C. Uikey, Sbri M. G. Ramshekhar Prasad Sinah, Setburaman, Sbri N. Ulaka, Sbri Ramachandra Shri Shah, Sbrimati Jayaben Veerappa, Sbri Ramachandra Rana, Shri M.B. Shab, Sbri Manabend,a Veukatasubbaiah, Shri P. Randhir Singh, Shri Shah, Shri Shantilal Vcnkatswamy, Shri G. Kane, Shri Sbah, Shri Virendrakumar Verma, Shri Balgovind Ranp, Shri Shambhu Nath, Shri Verma, Sbri Prem Chand Ran, Sbri Jaganath Shankaranand, Sbri B. Virbbadra Singh, Sbri Ran, Dr. K.L. Sharma, Shri Madhoram Viswambharan, Shri P. Ran, Sbri K. Narayana Sbarma, Shrl Naval KishoTC. Viswanatban, Sbri Tennell Rao, Shri Mutbyal Sbarm, Shri YOICDdra Vyas, Shri Ramesh Chandra Ran, Shri J. Ramapathi ShasbiBhushan, Sbri Xavier, Shri S. Ran, Shri Rameshwar Sbastrl, Shri Biswanarayan Ran, Shri Thirumala Shastri, Shri Kamavatar Yadab, Shri N.P. Ran, Dr. V.K.R.V. Shastri, Sbri Ramanand Yadav, Shri Chandra Jeet Rao, Shri V. Narasimba Shastri, Shri Sheopujan Yadav, Shri Jaleshwar 269 COIIItlt1lliDn CHAITRA 25. 1891 (SAKAl COIIIIltutioll 270 (22nd Amdt.) Bill (11nd Amdt.) Bill NOES Ayarwal, Shri Ram SiDgh Jai Singh, Shri Sharma. Shri Narain Swarup Berwa, Shri ODkar Lal Jena, Shri D.D. Sharma,Shri Ram Avmr Brambanandji, Sbri Joshi, Shri Jag8DDath Rao Sharma, Shri VajDa Datt Brij Bhushan Lal, Shri Kachwai, Shri Hukam Shastri, Shri Prakash Vir Brij Raj Sin.b-Kotah, Shri Chaad Shastri, Shri Raghuvir Chauhan, Shri Bbarat Singh Kothari, Shri S.S. Singh Dar, Sbri Abdul Ghani Kushwah, Shri Y.S. Shastri. Shri Shiv Kwnar Dascbowdhury, Sbri B.K. Nayar, Shrimati ShakUDtala Sondhi, Shri M.L. Devaw. Shri Hardayal Oakar Singh, Shri Suraj Bhan. Sbri Goyal, Sbri Shri Cband Ranjit Singh, Shri Tyagi, Shri O.P. Gupta, Sbri Kanwm; Lal Sharda Nand, Shri Vidyarthi. Shri R.S. MR. SPEAKER: The result· of the ~ ~ ~ r ~ ~ I tt ~ division is: ~ ~~~ ~ AYES: 374 ~ f.r.r Itl"t' ~~ fir.r ~ t I ~ ~ f.r.r ~ mr rn if ~ or(\' t I NOES: 31 ~ iitf ~ ~ Ai' Nor mr ~ tt \i!F'RIT The motion is carried by a majority of t I "flI;;r ~ ;tt ~ itt ~ the total membership of the House and by a qf • The following Members also recorded their votes for AYES: Sarvashri Mohammad Ismail, D. N. Deband Mahclldra Majhi. 271 CtnutItuIItm APRIL 15. 1969 CO,.""""'" 272 (22nd hwII.) BUI (22nt1 btdt.) BUI ill er.r t, ~ 1frif $I'R ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ !Il'R ~ ~ 'fU m;r IfiW '6IIT-f ~ fit; ~ 1ft' iii(\' ~ 1ft ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~~ c ~ if ifTHTl: ~ it>' m- 1ft' ;;r;N'f ~ ~ fit; ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ iR: W t I ifwA ~ ~ lfiT ;m:r "f'fTlf (I'ir mq' ~ ~ ill fir!IJl i $I1f'l\;r ~~ fit; n-i- it>'a;.n: m, ~ ~ ~ ~ Ifi1f Q ~ ~ firo'f or ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ fitOwr iR:Jt cIT ~ ~ if tteT ~ fif; ~ rr~ ~ if'mm ~~ ~ ~ IIA ~ qopJ' ~ ill 'lmI"f ~ ~ t ~ ~ ~ lfiTt '6IIT-f ~ ~ t ~ ~ r I ~~~ u ~ if;f W cIT ~ ~ f.r<;r ~ ~~ srom: it>' ~ f.r<;r ~ MR.. SPEAKER; The question is: ~ t ~ ~ ill m'f 1M 1frif ~ ~ "That the Dill be passed." 7'M Lok Sabha Divided: .,....No.12] AYES [15.!O ..... Abraham. Sbri K. M. Bhanu Prakash SIqh, Shri Dea, Shri K. P. Siqh Acbal Siqb, Shri Bhargava, Shri B. N •. Deo, ShrI R. R. Singh Apdi. Sbrl S. A. Bharti, ShrI Maharaj Singh Deoshare. Shri N. R. Ahfrwar. Sllrl Natbu Ram BhoIa Nath, ShrI Desai, Shri C. C. Aaa. Shri Ahmad Birna, Shri Kolai Desai, Shri Morarji Ahmad, Dr. I. Bist, Shri 1. B. S. Desmukh, ShrI B. D. Ahmed. Sbri F. A. BiIwas, Shri 1. M. Desbmukh, Shri K. G. Ahmed. Sbri 1. Bohra, Shri OnkartaI Desmukh; Shri Shlvjirao S. Ama!, Shri D. Brahm Prakash, Shri Devinder Singh, Shri AmiD, Shri R. K. Borman. Shrl Kirit Bilcram Dhillon, Shrl G·. S. Amin. Shri Ramchaudra J. Deb Dhrangadhra, Shri Sriraj AnirudhaD, Shri K. Buta SiDah, Shri Meghrajji Anjanappa. ShrI B. Chakrapani, Shri C. K. DhuJeshwar Meena, Sbrl Ankinccdu.Shri Chanda, Shri Ani! K. Dinesh SinSh, Shrl Arumuaam. Sbri R. S. Chanda, Shr Imati 1yotsna Dixit, Shri G. C. Asghar Husain. Shri Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar. . Awadesh Chandra Singh. Sbri Chandrlka Prasad, Shrl Dwivedy, Shri Surendranatb Azad. Shri Bhaswat Jha Chatterjee Shri N. C. Ering, Shri D. Babunath Singh. Sbri Chatterji, Shri Krislma Esthose, Sbri P. P. Bajpai. Shri Vidya Dhar Kumar Feraandes, Shri George Banerjee. Shrl S. M. Chaturvedi, Shri R. L. GajJaj Singh Rao, Shrl Barrow. Shri Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh Gandhi, Shrimatl lDdIra Barna. Shri Bedabrata Chavan, Shrl D. R. Ganash, Shri K. R. Barna. Shri R. Chavan, Shri Y. B. Ganga DevI, Shrlmati Barupal. Shri P. L. ChoudhaJ)', Shri Valmiki Gautam, Shri C. D. Basu, Shri Jyotinnoy Choudhury, Shri 1. K. Gavit, Shri Tukaram Baumatari. Shri Dalbir Singh. Shrl Ghosh, Shri Dimalkanti JlaRmt. Shri Damani, Shrl S. R. Ghosh, Sbri Ganesh Besra, Shri S. C. Dange, Shri S. A. Ghosh, Shri P. K. Bhapban Das. Shri Das, Shri N. T. Ghosh, Shri Parimal Bbapt. Sltri B. R. Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Girraj Saran Singh, Shri Bhagavati, Shri Dass, Shri C. qopalan, ·Shri p .. Bhakt Darshan, Shrl Deb, Shri D. N. Govind Das, Dr. 273 Constitution CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKAl Constitution 274 (22nd AmdI.) Bill (22nd Amdt.) Bill Gowd, Shri Gadilingana Lakshmikanthamma. Shrimati Nayar, Dr. Sushila Gowda, Shri M. H. Lalit Sen, Shri Nihal Singh, Shri Gowder, Shri Nanja Laskar, Shri N. R. Oraon, Shri Kartik Guha, Shri Samar Laxmi Bai, Shrimati Padmavati Devi, Shrimati Gupta, Shri Indrajit Lobo Prabhu, Shri Pahadia, Shri Jaganoath Gupta, Shri Lakan Lal Lutfal Haque, Shri Palchoudhuri, Shrimati Iia Gupta, Shri Ram Kishan Madhukar, Shri K. M. Pandey, Shri K. N. Hajarnawis, Shri Mahadeva Prasad, Dr. Pandey, Shri Vishwa Nath Haldar, Shri K. Mahajao, Shri Vikram Chand Paoigrahi, Shri Chintamani Hanumanthaiya, Shri Maharaj Singh, Shri Pant, Shri K. C. Hari Krishna, Shri Mahida, Shri Narendra Singh Paokai Haokip, Shri Hazarika, Shri J. N. Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini Parmar, Shri Bhaljibhai Heerji Bhai, Shri Majhi, Shri M. Parmar, Shri D. R. Hem Raj, Shri Malhotra, Shri Inder J. Partap Singh, Shri Himatsingka, Shri MandaI, Dr. P. Parthasarathy, Shri Iqbal Singh, Shri MandaI, Shri Yamuna Prasad Paswao, Shri Kedar Jadhav, Shri Tulshidas Mane, Shri Shankarrao Patel, Shri J. H. Jadhav, Shri V. N. Manoharan, Shri Patel, Shri Manibhai J. Jaggaiah, Shri K. Marandi, Shri Patel, Shri Manubhai Jagjiwan Ram, Shri Masani, Shri M. R. Patel, Shri N. N. Jaipal Singh, Shri Masuriya Din, Shri Patil, Shri Anantrao Jamir, Shri S. C. Mehta, Shri Asoka Pati!, Shri C. A. Jamna Lal, Shri Mehta, Shri P. M. Patil, Shri Deorao Janardhanan, Shri C. Melkote, Dr. Patil, Shri N. R. Jha, Shri Shiva Chandra Menon, Shri Govinda Pati!, Shri S. B. Joshi, Shri S. M. Menon, Shri Vishwanatha Poonacha, Shri C. M. Kahandole, Shri Z. M. Minimata, Agam Dass Guru Pradhani, Shri K. Kalita, Shri Dhireswar Shrimati Pramanik, Shri J. N. Kamaraj, Shri K. Mirza, Shri Bakar Ali Prasad, Shri Y. A. Kamble, Shri Mishra, Shri Bibhuti Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Shafti Kameshwar Singh, Shri Mishra, Shri G. S. Radhabai Shrimati B. Kamla Kumari, Shrimati Misra, Shri Janeshwar Raghu Ramaiah. Shri Karan Singh, Dr. Modak, Shri B. K. Raj Deo Singh, Shri Kami Singh, Dr. Mody, Shri Piloo Rajasekharan, Shri Kasture, Shri A. S. Mohammed Imam, Shri J. Rajoi Devi Shrimati Katham, Shri B. N. Mohammad Ismail, Shri Raju, Shri D.B. Kavade, Shri B. R. Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Raju, Dr. D. S. Kedaria, Shri C. M. Mohsin, Shri Ram, Shri T. Kesri, Shri Sitaram Mohinder Kaur, Shrimati Ram Dhan, Shri Khan, Shri H. Ajmal Molahu Prasad, Shri Ram Dhaoi Das, Shri Khan, Shri Ohayoor Ali Mondal, Shri Jugal Ram Sewak. Shri Chowdhary Khan, Shri Latafat Ali Mrityunjay Prasad, Shri Ram Subhag Singh, Dr. Khan, Shri M. A. Mukerjee, Shri H. N. Ram Swarup, Shri Khan, Shri Zulfiquar Ali Mukerjee, Shrimati Sharda Ramamoorthi, Shri S.P. Khanna, Shri P. K. Mukne, Sbri Yesbwantrao Ramamurthi Shri. P. KiDder Lal, Shri Mulla, Sbri A. N. Ramshekhar Prasad Singh. Shr Kisku, Shri A. K. Murthy, Shrl B. S. Rana, Shri M.B. Kaloki, Shri Li!adhar Murti, Shri M. S. Randhir Singh. Shri Koushik, Shri K. M. Muthusami, Shri C. Rane, Shri Kripalani, Shri J. B. Naghnoor, Shri M. N. Ranaa,Shri Kripalani, Shrimati Sucheta Nahata, Shri Amrit Rao, Shri Jaganath Krishna, Shri M. R. Naidu, Shri ChengaJraya Rao, Dr. K. L. Krishnan, Shri G. Y. Naik, Shri O. C. Rao, Shri Muthyal Kuodu, Shri S. Naik, Shri R. V. Rao, Shri J. Ramapathi Kureel, Shri B. N. Nambiar, Shri R&D, Shri Rameshwar Kushok Bakula. Shri Nanda, Shri R&D, Sbri Thirumala Lakkappa, Shri K. Nath Pai, Shri Rao, Dr. V. K. R. V. 275 COIIJtitulion (2211(/ Amdt.) Bill APRIL IS, 1969 Constitution (2211(/ AmtIt.) Bill 276 Rao, Shri V. Narasimha Sen, Shri P. G. Sinha, Shrimati Tarkeshwari Raut, Shri Bhola Sen, Dr. Ranen Snatak, Shri Nar De. Ray, Shri Rabi Sequeira. Shri Solanki, Shri S. M. Reddi, Shri G. S. Sethi, Shri P. C. Somani, Sbri N. K. Reddy, Shri Eswara Sethuraman, Shri N. Sonar, Dr. A. O. Reddy, Shri Gaup Shah, Shrimati Jayaben Sonavane, Shri Reddy, Shri P. Antony Shah, Shri Manabendra Sudarsanam, Shri M. Reddy, Shri B. D. Shah, Shri Shantilal Sunder Lal, Shri Reddy, Shrimati Sudhu V. Shah, Shri Virendrakumar Supakar, Shri Sradhakar Reddy, Shri Surendar Shambhu Nath, Sliri Surendra Pal Singh, Shri Rohatgi, Shrimati SUshila Shankaranand, Shri B. Sursingh, Shri Roy, Shri Bishwanath Sharma, Shri Madhoram Suryanarayana, Shri K. Roy, Shrimati UIU Sharma, Shri Naval Kishore Swaran Singh, Shri Saboo, Shri Shri Gopal Sharma, Shri Yogendra SWell, Shri Sadhu Ram, Shri Shashi Bhushan, Sbri Tapuriah. Shri S. K. Saha, Dr. S. K. • Shastri, Shri Biswanarayan Tarodekar, Shri V. B. Saha, Dr. S. K. Shastri, Shri Ramavatar Thakur, Shri P. R. Saigal, Shri A. S. Shastri, Sbri Ramanand Tiwary, Shri D. N. Saleem, Shri M. Yunus Shastri, Shri Sheopujan Tiwary, Shri K. N. Salve, Shri Narendra Kumar Shea Narain, Sbri Tula Ram, Shri Samanta, Shri S. c. Sher Singb, Shri Uikey, Shri M. G. Sambasivam, Shri Sheth, Shri T. M. U1aka, Shri Ramachandra Sanghi, Shri N. K. Shinde. Shri Annasahib Veerappa, Shri Ramachandra Sanji Rupji, Shri Shinkre, Shri Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. Sankata Prasad, Dr. Shiv cbandika Prasad, Shri Verma, Shri Balgovind Sant Bux Singh, Shri Shivappa, Shri N. Verma, Shri Prem chand Sapre, Shrimati Tara Shukla, Shri S. N. Virbhadra Singh, Shri Sarma, Shri A. T. Shukla, Shri Vidya charan Viswambharan, Shri P. Satya Narain Singh, Shri Siddaya, Shri Viswanatham. Shri Tenneti Savitri Shyam, Shrimati Siddheshar Prasad, Sbri Vyas, Shri Ramesh chandra Sayeed, Shri P. M. Singh, Shri D. N. Xavier, Shri S. Sayyrd AU, Shri Singh, Shri D. V. Sen, Shri A. K. Sinha, Shri Mudrika Yadab, Shri N. P. Sen, Shri Deven Sinha, Shri R. K. Yadav, Shri chandra Jeet Sen, Shri Dwaipayan Sinha, Shri Satya Narayan Yadav, Shri Jageshwar NOES Ayarwal, Shri Ram Singh Gupta, Shri Ranwar Lal Sharma; Shri Yajna Dati J Singh, Shri Berwa. Shri Onkar Lal ai Shastri, Shri Prakash Vir Bramhanandji, Shri Jena, Shri D. D. Brij Bhushan Lal, Shri Joshi. Shri Jagannath Rao Shastri, Shri Raghuvir Singh Brij Raj Singh.Kotah, Shri Kachwai, Shri Hukam chand Shastri, Shri Shiv Kumar chauhan, Shri Bharat Singh Kothari, Shri S. S. Sondhi, Shri M. L. Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. Onkar Singh, Shri Suraj Bhan. Shri Devgun, Shri Hardayal Sharda Nand, Shri Tyagi, Shri O. P. Digvijai Nath, Shri Mahant Sharma, Shri Narain Swarup Goyal, Shri Shri chand Shanna. Shri Ram Avtar Vidyarthi, Shri R. S, MR. SPEAKER : The result· of the division is : Ayes : 369 N_ : 21 *The following Members also recorded their votes AYES: Sarvashri S. D. Patl, K. Narayana Rao, G. Venkataswamy, T. A. Patl, and Kiruttinan. NOES: Sarvashri Abdul Ghani Dar, Ranjit Singh and Shrimati Shakuntala Nayar. 277 D. G. (Deptt. CHAITRA 25. 1891 (SAU) Social Welfare) 278 The motion is carried by a majority of take up further discussion and voting of the the total membership of the House and by Demands for Grants under the control of the a majority of not less than two thirds of Department of Social Welfare. Shri the members present and voting. Siddayya will continue his speech. SHRI SIDDAYYA (Chamaraja Nagar) : Sir, yesterday I was making a ~ reference to the statement of Sankaracharya of Puri wherein he has stated that untouch- 15.SO hr.. ability is one of the basic and fundamental tenets of Hinduism and no law can prevent STATEMENT REPRICE POLICY FOR the Hindus from practising untouchability. RABI CEREALS FOR 1969-70 MARKETING He is not alone in making that statement. SEASON The Sankaracharyya of Jyotir Mutt and Karpatraji of Banaras who is said to be the chief priest for selecting Sankaracharyya THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND AGRI- have endorsed this view. Therefore, it is CULTURE (SHRI JAGnwAN RAM) : The not proper to attack only those who have Government, after considering the recommen- given their statements openly. My own dations of the Agricultural Prices Com- feeling is' that there are hundreds and mission, the views expressed in this House and thousands of people who sincerely believe by the Chief Ministers in a Conference held this but who are not prepared to come out on the 3rd April, 1969, have taken the follo- with a statement. Therefore, it is a very wing decisions on price policy for rabi serious matter. cereals for the 1969-70 marketing season :- Government should take that statement (1) The procurement/purchase price of as a challenge not only to the harijans of all varieties of wheat other tban indigenous India but to the entire country. It has red wheat will be Rs. 76/-per quintal. The caused irreparable damage to the cause of Government will purchase at this price all removal of untouchability and put the dock quantities of wheat of fair average quality back. It is crystal clear that this Swamiji offered for sale. The procurement price for has committed offence under the Untoucha- indigenous red varieties will be fixed by the bility Offences Act. But so far no action State Governments in consultation with the seems to have been taken either by the Government of India, as was done last year. State Government or the Central GoverQ- (2) .;the ;,sue pdF' pf .11 yarictjc;s of ment. Only today morning, while answering wheat wiU be Rs. 78/.. per Qnintal wjth dfr&h a question, the Minister of Social Welfare, mmi the 1st May, 1969 or thereabout§.... Shri Govinda Menon, expressed the view ~ that it is a stray statement and it may not (3) The existing Northern Wheat Zone be taken seriously. If this is tbe attitude will be enlarged and will now include the of the Minister who is in charge of the wel- States of Jammu & Kashmir, Punjab, fare of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Tribes, I do not know how this community Pradesh, Rajasthan, West Bengal (excluding can come up. This has resulted in frustra- the statutorily rationed area of Calcutta) and tion among the Scheduled Castes. At the the Union territories of Himachal Pradesh, same time, it has opened tbe eyes of the Delhi • and Cbandigarh. The necessary people which is a good thing. orders enlarging the zone will issue shortly, !F=:::: 15.55 Jus. 15.52 m. [MR. DEPUTY-SPBAKER in the Chair] DEMANDS FOR GRANTS Contd- Why do Hindus observe untouchability ? It is a very important question. It is not DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL WELFARE Contd- because they are inhuman or wicked. They observe untouchability because MR. SPEAKER : The House will DOW they are deeply religious. Therefore tbe 279 D. G. (IHptt. APRIL IS, 1969 Social Welfare) 280 [Shri Siddaya] suffer the same kind of untouchability as we important point for consideration is not the are suffering. people who observe caste but the religion which teaches them untouchability. Therefore, Therefore it is a matter for the whole yesterday also I was making the point, country to be considered. I have studied a unless the root cause of untouchability, which lot on this particular subject and my own is the caste system, is abolished, there is no view is I have become peSSimistic, that way of abolishing untouchability in this untouchability can never be removed, that is country. the reason why many of our kith and kin have embraced otber religions, particularly Some people make a distinction between Christianity and Islam. Chalurvarnya and the cast system. I see no difference between these two. Therefore AN HON. MEMBEIt : Buddbism also. whoever holds the opinion that Chaturvarnya is a principle to be followed, I think, SHItI SmDAYY A : Buddhism also. deserves to be equally condemned as a person Some of them have done that. who holds that untouchability is one of the tenets of Hinduism. Therefore I feel very strongly tbat the only way to get rid of untouchability is to You must have seen the reaction of the go out of the Hindu religion. I will tell you, politicians to the statement of the Puri the Harijans of this country have determined Shankaracharya about untouchability. The to do it-no self-respecting Harijan will ever entire House---I think, all the Members- tolerate himself to be called a Hindu ...... joined in condemning the statement of Puri (Interruption) Shankaracharya. Similarly, in the Orissa Legislative Assembly and in some other Assemblies also it has been criticized. But ~ """ ~~ (1!I'Rf1f) : the people do not take the politicians seri- ;;QY£lffi ~ ~ ffl't lIlT ~ ously specially in regard to religion in this country. They are guided mainly by the ~ ~~~ I religious heads and the- religious teachers particularly in regard to religious matters. SHIt} SONA VANE (Pandhrpur) : In Therefore we should not take tbe condemna- spite of the unanimous opinion here, the tion of this statement of the Shankaracharya Government does not think of prosecuting by the politicians seriously. him. Why are they cowardly? The only point that is to be considered today is whether untouchability can be ""aiN ,,111m ~ ~ abolisbed at all. If it is to be abolished, ~~ im ~ amIi ~ tbe caste system should go and if tbe caste system is to go. I think, Hindu religion will ~ I It'U sr!'f;rr ~ t fit; llft ~ if'fflT have to go. It comes to that. ~ ~ mft ~ 'I1i' '!il ~ ~ ~ .rr.t 1IiT arf1forn ~ ~ ~ mft We have been suffering this .humiliation of untouchability for the last thousands of ~ '!il ~ t I it '1ft ~~ ~ it years. People who are not suffering from ~ ~ '!1l' ~ ~ am: 1Il'lft it, specially of the highest caste, the Brah- ~~ mins, who are getting all the facilities and ...... are having the highest possible status in this land, will be very happy over it but all 16 boars. others-Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, Sudras and Antyajas-are the people who had been SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tamkur) He suffering all these years. is also a Hindu. AN HON. MEMBER : Women also. '" aiN nm {qltf, : flli ~ ~ SHItI SlDDAYYA: Women may not ~ r~ am:itw ~ '!il 281 D. G. (Deptt. CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Social WIllIan) 282 mfiM 'lit iii<: ~ ~ I ~ ~ 11; ~ country-they are not realising that-that unless the ChaJurvarlUl is abolished, there is ~~ 'liT ~ ~ amlq- m no salvation for them. How is it then, Sir, r ~~ ~ I that this system is prevalent all these thou- sands of years ? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We must understand one thing. The hon. Member MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Now, the since yesterday is voicing his own conception. hon. Member must conclude. It is not a question of religion. The social structure of the Hindu society is such that SHRI SIDDAYYA : I am concluding unless you destroy the caste system, no now. Sir, how is that the social reformation progress is possible. That is his main has not taken place in this country? You contention. know this is a hierarchial system consisting of higher castes with many rights and privileges, 1!If1 ~ Ul( .mit ('I1ltrr.r) : lower castes having few privileges. Particularly, ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ! for the scheduled castes, there is no place at mlfi it al\. The non-Brahmins, Vaishyas and Sudras are consider" superior to the harijans. That 1t1Ii ~ ~ : ~ WiT am: WfiP1'T is why they are to-day happy. They are ~~~~ taking the lead in spreading the ChaJurvaT1l4 even though we are living in this modern ~ Ul( .mit: ~ ~ world and there are so many changes taking place. In spite of that they are sticking up ~ to this religion, They have their vested interests in the religion and that is the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Don't dis- reason why they are sticking on to that. And trurb now. Let the hon. Member conclude that is the reason why I say that the harijans now. in this country will never tolerate such things. Maybe, there are some people who SHRI SIDDAYY A : Now I would like are under the control of some of the higher to make a distinction between the Hindu castes. And the scbeduled castes who are philosophy and the social system. On Hindu under their control may not immediately philosopby as sucb I have nothing to join the nther faith. Only those people who quarrel but on the Hindu social system, can want self-respect first, decide to embrace the- anybody tolerate? And can any man with a other faiths. That is bound to happen. sense of self-respect in him tolerate that When that happens the Hindu will have to system ? The Hindu religion as contained in thank himself and his religion. the Vedas according to Dr. Ambedkar which I am quoting is as follows :- ~ U'I' ~ ~ ~ "The Hindu Religion, as contained in atmvW:r ~ ~ ~ ~ the Vedas and the Smritis, is nothing firlu1r l!it ~ on: ~ ~ ~ ;r;t but a mass of sacrificial, societal, amif ~ ~ ~ro if ~ ~ political and sanitary rules and regula- am: tions, all mixed up. What is called 'liT "EIl1'f arAifl'ffl" f.I;trr ~ I ~ it ~ Retigion by the Hindus is nothing but rr ~ ~~~ ~ a multitude of commands and prohi- bitions. Religion, in the sense of ~ or ~ ~ ~ ~ spiritual principles, truly universal, q1f it mtI'f ~ ~ ~ am: anfffim applicable to al\ races, to all countries, ~ I ~ ~ ~ to all times, is not to be found in them, arm- t it fcm:rnr and if it is, it does not form the ~ ~ ~~~ ~ governing part of a Hindu's life." rr~ mm it ~ orgcr tt lifm" ~ I ~ ~ ~ ttee's report is now before the Gover- "It is noteworthy that Shri Sundaram nment. The author of this article, a as Member-Secretary, did not accompany member of the Committee, who submi- the Committee in its tour. Thereafter, tted a dissenting note, discussed the Sbri K. Madurai, who was already reason for holding a different view." working as a Research Officer for the committee was asked to function as Secretary in addition to his work as a ~ srm: ~ 'Ii! l!iiIiT ;;IT vIT, m Research Officer. Thus, at no stage the ~ .. ~ ~ ~ f!J;llT 'lIT, f!;ot;" f.rutl:r Committee was provided with a full- time Secretary in spite of our repeated flf;lrr 'lIT fit; ~ ~ ~ "liT it requests. flf;lrr ~ ~ ~ ~~ mifutr ;ftc ~ amm: !R: ~ IT<'J(f ~ ~ ~ ~ 1Im'JiI' ~ t fit; lfCr.fitc it ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~ l!iiIiT ~ ~ ~ f<:lrT I ~~ ~ ~~~~~~ ~ ~~~ fit; ~ ~ BUR- ~ ~ ~ ;r.n;rr ~ it am: ~ e:rrfirlll ~ ttm ..".. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ fort!; ~ c ~ ~ vIT, ~ <'IR'I' m 'In" ~ ~ ~ I ~ ornur t fit; 20 crill ~ m ~ fffifR:lf ;ftc m ;n1I" ..".. ~ ~ m- ~ ~ ..".. ~ r r ~ fttiIt;;IT ~ ~ ~~ ~ vIT, 'Ii! ar;f;ft1m ~ ~ vIT aT IRT ornur ~ flr; ~ l!iiIiT ~ ~ ~ 'In" ~ fffif- ~~ ~~~ Wr ;ftc ~ r ~ ~ ~ ~ I ~ ~ ~ 1I'Ait err... ~ GIfflRr ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ r ~ ~~ t flr; ~~ ~~ r ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ am: fim1;;r """ ~ I ~ ~ ~ fit; q-mrfifllim' ;;IT ~ r ~~ if lIT ~ ~ ~ '«IT <'I1TTlrT ~ I am 6"Ii ~ fttiIt ~~~~ flr; ;n1I" ,.;'t aT ~ fl:r<;fT ~ ~ fmr !R: "liT ~ ",€I' ~ 1iITfu", crur ..".. ~ ~ ~ ;;miT ~ ~~~ ~ ~ I ~ '«IT \OPT ;;rnrr trot;" 1Il ~ t, _ ~~~~ t ~ ~ 1Il ~ ~ 3fR 1Il W t I ~ arrm!R: ~ t flr; ~ it l!iiIiT;;IT ~ vIT, m ~ ~ flf;lrr;;rnrr ~ I ~~ ~ ;;IT 00 it, ~ ~ ~ flf;lrr ~ ~ iJ;W ~ ~~ flr; ;;nftr ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~ ~ r "I"'TfiiT iI"<:" f!J;llT ;;rro; I ~ srm: ~~ ~~~ fim' ~ arrW "In the end, however, we very much ~ R1fFr it flr; '""' ~ ~ ;n1I" ~ regret to place on record that, even t though the Committee was set up by tlIl ~ ~ ~ 'I>"m m- ~ t I the Department of Social Welfare, there ... ~ ... I was practically very little co-operation from that Department as already pointed ~~~ ~ ~ ~ out earlier. The indifferent and non- flr; cooperative attitude of that Department at'1 ..... f'lf"'ai ~ ;;IT if'1TlIT gorr ~ m gradually developed into a state of 50 ~o ~ lIT 1 ~ """ ~ rr ~ lflrT active hostility even. Initially Shri S. K. Kaut, then an Assistant Commissioner ~ ~~~~ ~ for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled ~~~ I ~ 10m ~ ft;rlr, Tribes posted at Jaipur, was appointed ~ amoRf ~ 6"Ii 'lit ~ ~ ~ ~ to work as part-time Secretary to the Committee." ~~~~~ ~ fort!; 287 D. G. (Deptt. APRIL IS. 1969 Social Welfare) 288 ~~ ~~~ I ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~ f.I; ~ I ~ ~ ~ f.r.rf1:;m fiI;l:rr ~ qf.:rnik ~ ~ ;;n;ft ~ I ~ I aylft ~ ~ it ~ atN'lilf<4'i ~ 111¥ ~ f.I; fU ~ I lIit ~ ~ f.r.rf1:;m fiI;l:rr ~ ~ rr ~ ~ ~ ~ mf ~ ann ~ it; fu.:r ~ I ~ ~ .~ ~ "I"tm 1Iil mit i!i&f ~ I tit ft ~ ~ ~ 'Ii'( foro ;arm ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ it; ~ ~ ij;) ~ ~ 13 ~ r it; ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ I ft tit ~ ~ lIit, ~ !10m: ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ omr ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ r qi't omr ~ t I ~ ~ ~ wmr.r mwr irTU ~ ~o r~ ~ ~ ij;) ft ~ ~ ~ ~~ it; ft;ro; tllm: ~ ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ r ~~~~ ~ srm ~ ~ ~ it i!i&f t- '1i"(Tif ~ f.I; ~ r fCl"'f'lm ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "Him I call Mahatma whose heart &T I it 'liT f.rovr hleeds for the poor; otherwise he is a &Tat t ~ ~~ iI1t ~ mOl" it; ~ 'Dboorth' man." mr ~urr t ~ ~ a f.I; arflf ;pIf ~ r ~ f;r;r;t.'t arflf 500 ~ society, the tribals. Then alone will the dream of Gandhiji be realised. Then alone ~ ~ ~ f.ft1: ~ 'Ii{ mr will socialism become a living reality. It ~ ~~~~ rr~ is in this larger frame-work that we have ~~~ amr ~ mt to view the problem of the tribals. fiI; ;rU;r ~ ~~ ~ The tribals' unrest in some parts of the ~ ~ at1ih: "11m ;ft ffi' ~ country is a violent reminder of the conti- t nuance of economic inbalance and hardship f.r-aT ~ t 'Iliff.!; ~ 'lTlJ ~ arm; faced by nearly seven per cent of the popula- m ~ t ~ ~ ;rU;r anmrm tion and the need for its emotional integration. The tribal belt stretching from Raigarh to ~ ~ ~ r ~ ~ ~ fiI; 1ft€!' am: Bastar in Madhya Pradesh is caught in a new m Iff'(UlliH;:q\R ;;IT ~ an- .;;rniT awakening. On the one side lie the Chhota- Nagpur areas of Bihar where an uneasy calm ~ ~ ~ ~ mit ~ I mlJ'f rnr it r< appears to prevail at the present time. The ~ ~ rr t ~~ other side is Srikakulam and agency areas of ~ ~ t I ~ ~~ +ri1r Andbra Pradesh which also are not at all calm. iIi«IT ~ f.I; ~ ;pIf ~ ;pIf 500 ~ ~ ;pIf arflf mr ~ q"( ~ tfr.t,.;r ~ The tribals on the whole are peace-loving 3im" ~ ~ ~ ~ r~~ and they do not like any encroachment from am: outsiders in their way of life. ~ ~ ~ m f.ft1: m 'ITlJ ~ m'Zrm ~ ~ ~ They would feel much happier if they are ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ left all alone and allowed to do whatever tft they feel like. The unrest only comes when ~ ~ ~ ~ they are provoked. r r~~ ~~ ~ For example, we all know how badly ~~~~ ~ I they have been exploited aU these years due to their ignorance and illiteracy. I think if we SHRIMATI RAJNI DEVI (Raigarh): could approach them with sympathy and Sir, I thank you for giving me this opportu- with a healing touch, half the battle would be nity to speak. This is my first speech and I won. Instead of that, we do things for them- have, therefore, naturally, turned to a subject which they do not like. This makes them about which I have first-hand knowledge, more resistant towards the amuent society namely, the condition of tribal people.in our and the government. We go about doing things country. in a manner that makes our work more difficult and yields little benefit to them. Some other Members have spoken on What we should do is to try to provide them this subject and they have spoken with the facilities according to their own needs and advantage of much more and longer experience judging by their own priorities. Instead, we than I can claim. But, I feel with them for go by our self-drawn programmes and the lot of the tribals intensely and I rise to c ~ This, by and large, has created give expression to this feeling, however much discontent among them. inadequately. The second and the most important reason The problem of the tribals is not just a for the tribal unrest is due to their being problem of making some doles-the problem exploited at the hands of various agencies, is to carry the glow of freedom to miUions of government servants and sahukars. A tribal citizens of India who have been left behind by nature is honest to the core for which in the march of history. The noble concept he has all along been paying a heavy price. of equality which is one of the comer-stones I will tell you about the honesty-shop opened of our Constitution has to be realised in Abbll,jmand area of Bastar. Tbe shop in the lines of the weakest links of our contains their daily needs such as kanki, 291 D. G. (Deptt. APRIL IS, 1969 Social Wei/are) 292 [SlUimati Rajvj Devil how they should live and think. Such petty kurki, salt, onions and chillies. This shop is officials, simultaneously, must be given some unattended by anyone. People go there to preferential treatment by way of extra-allowa- purchase their needs and make voluntary nees and the like. payment for them. What is surprising, rather heartening, is that the shop is running at a Then, another point which I wUl like to profit, simply because no one has perhaps mention is ahout the tribals living outside the thought of cheating. Can you imagine a scheduled areas. These tribals, unfortunately shop of this type in civilised areas? When do IIOt. get all the privileges and advantages we asked the local tribals if they wanted granted to their fellow-brothers in the sche- any other items to be put in the shop, they duled areas. This has also gone a loog way promptly said yes: ghunghroo and cloth. in causiog discontentment among them. It is but natural for tribals of non-scheduled areas And now, they themselves say that there to feel aggrieved ahout. The Government, should be a shop keeper. Their apprehension in fact ahould have coordinated policies and is that if o~ od did not pay proper programmes for all the tribals irrespective of price for the stuff purchased, it will be a slur whether they live in scheduled areas or not. on them and their conscience will prick. I wonder how many of us think and act like- One of the most disheartening features wise. And we call ourselves modem and of tribal welfare in this country has been more literate. I wish a lot of more people complete lack of coordination between the will follow the example of my tribals, whereby Centre and the State administrations on one there would not be so much of misery all hand, the state administrations and local ad- around us. ministrations on other. This has obviously led to sufferings of the tribals. For instance So Sir, what I want to say is this. That the grants given to the State o r ~ people who are so honest and truthful; think have remained unutilised. Is it not for the the same way for others. They have trusted the Centre to question the State Governments sahukars who in turn have deceived and for the lapses upto the lowest level ? cheated them. It is a sort of loot. So, DOW they have started ~ o suspicious ahout everything and everyone. It is, thete- Yet, another point I want to stress is fore, due to such exploitation that the tribals that tribals are themselves eager to take to react sharply and resort to violence. There the changing pattern of life. This can be is no denyiog that the Government does illustrated by the simple fact that more and mean to improve the lot of tribals, but what more schools and dispensaries are fut com- is wanting is that all Government policies iog up in various tribal areas of the country. and programmes are not executed by the While speaking of schools, one cannot also petty officials efficiently. The forest guards overlook the aspect of employment potential. and patwaris, for example, are the people to Several official reports have brought out the come in daily contact with the tribals But fact that despite the education, large number these people are themselves liviog' under of tribal hoys and girls face the perpetual difficult conditions; so the temptation on problem of unemployment. This is a sad their part to pass a bit of their burden on the commentary on the state of affairs and one helpless tribals should not surprise us. But, can only wish that this is promptly checked at the same time, it cannot be allowed to or else the education will prove to be a continue indefinitely. waste. So, Sir, I would like to make a suges- It will also hinder further propagation of tion; anyone who is sent to the tribal areas education among tribals. to work among them should have the heart and mind and aptitude for such work and Lastly, I have a personal request to make should also have thorough knowledge of to the Prime Minister. It is well over 20 conditions there. Besides, they ahould also years that the tribal people are anxiously be able to freely mix with them and not make awaiting to see one of their representatives the tribals feel that some high and mighty as a full-liedgod Cabinet Minister. I dare person has come to order them ahout aa to say that the Prime Minister is no doubt 293 D. G. (Ihptl. CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Social Welfare) 294 aware of this, but I am merely conveyins the executive powers will remain with the anxiety of the tribaIs. Company. Although the State Government will be required to bear the liabilities Before I conclude, I want to emphasise of the State branch, it will have no power that the Centre evolves some machinery or to examine the budget of the State branch aseney to ensure that money earmarked for and scrutinise its expenditure. Thus the tribal Welfare is properly utilised and in full rights of the State Government over social at that. If this did not happen, I am welfare activities will be curtailed. The State afraid, most of the money and material will Board will thus function in an advisory capacity never reach the people it is meant for. which and not in a directive capacity as at present. has been the case so far. I will, at the same When this Government is declaring that the time, also ufF the Government not to make Centre will bestow more powers to the States tall promises, atleast in respect of innocent in practice just the opposite is being done. tribals and try to do things in a straight- forward manner. This will only embitter the relationa bet- ween Centre and States which should be Thank you once again for sivins me this avoided in the interest of the public. chance to participate in the discussion. I whole-heartedly support the demands of On the other hand, more than S,OOo grants pertaioins to the department. employees of the Central Welfare Board who have been working for more than IS years SHRf K. HALDER (Mathurapur): The wiD forfeit the rights enjoyed by the emp- reprot of the Department of Social Welfare loyees as government servants. places before us a picture that the Govern- ment is spendins gradually more and more So it is necessary that the Central money for the upliftment of backward classes. Government should declare forthwith the But actually the amount is very measre in employees of the Board as permanent comparison to the vast mass of scheduled government servants with all the rights and caste and scheduled tribe people who are still privileges applicable to them like pension, unfed, unclad and uneducated. gratuity etc. Last year there was serious resentment There is no wonder if one fine morning amons all sections of the members in this we see that this Government is turned into a House against the Government for utter limited company under the chairmanship of negligence of backward classes. As a result, the Birlas and the Ministers as directors. the Government tasted the first defeat on an amendment moved by me durins the discus- This year is being observed as the cen- sion on the Report of the Commissioner for tenary of Gandhiji who had tried his best for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes after the uplift of Harijans. 20 years. To satisfy the members and stabi- lise the Government, one or two ministers The Government now and then swears were included in the Ministry. But the condi- in his name and promises to fulfill his wishes. tion of those people is still the same, if not But after 22 years of independence the social worse. evil like untouchability still prevails throughout India, at some places in a very The Planning Commission constituted a crude form. Even in the birth place of panel on the welfare of backward classes to Gandhiji at Porbander Harijans are not per- advise on policies and programmes for the mitted to drink water from public taps. Fourth Plan. Accordingly, the Central Social Welfare Board of the Government of The Constitution has given some safe- India decided to turn itself to a limited com- guards for the backward classes. But these pany. The UF Government of West Bonsai violated by the Government on some pretext is totally opposed to the idea of social wel- or the other. They are not gettins their due fare work beins carried on under a limited share in education, service or other amenities company, ~ r charitable or not. By this, which are meant for them. Regardina over- the State Board will be an advisory body. The seas scholarships, higher posts in Government 29S D. G. (Depit. APRIL IS, 1969 Social Welfare) 296 , [Shri K. Halder] the Madhya Pradesh Government that 1/3 enterprises, officers incharge generally declare of the total forest land which would be under that suitable candidates are not available from cultivation would be distributed to the land- the backward classes. Thus the really deser- less local Adivasi people. But nobody can ving candidates are deprived of the beni6t by say how much of the 80,000 acres of land so the Government. far acquired were given to them. During the last two years the local people have been The Government has failed to implement launching mass movements for land and the policy of distribution of land to the neady 600 Adivasis were arrested. peasants. As a result the scheduled castes and scheduled tribe people who are mostly At this stage Government promised to peasants are not getting land. On the other distribute 30,000 acres to them, but with no hand share croppers and small cultivators are effect. On the other hand 6,000 acres were evicted. These people are tortured, their given to refugees. This agitates the Adivasis houses with their inmates burnt, women folks very much, These people are living here in molested. This has become frequent happen- a very wretched condition due to utter ning in our country. Superstition and evil poverty. There is no irrigation facility: even customs of primitive nature still prevail. drinking water is not easily available. As a result there is permanent famine in this area, The Social Welfare Minister of the pre- though mineral resources are in plenty. vious United Front Ministry of West Bengal complained that during the preceding 20 years Taking advantage of the exploitations of not a single scheduled caste of schedule tribe the local people by the Government and was taken in the Department. others, some interested persons are organising The Scheduled caste and Schedule Tribe Chattisgarh sena like the Shiv Sena in people are generally given the posts of divi- Bombay. There is already a voice raised for sion m and IV clerks. They are deprived separate Chattisgarh. of the post of Div. I and II on some pretext not to speak of higher post in Government When the Government is talking of service. Those low pa,i(l clerks who are integration, they are practically helping disin- employed are not given housing facilities. As tegration of the country. So, it is the boun- a result they are compelled to spend major den duty of the Government to fulfil the portion of their pay as house rent. legitimate demands of the people wbo are on the verge of extinction. The Social welfare department totally neglected the tribal people particularly in The association of Kaparia community in backward Stales. In this connection I may Bihar submitted a memorandum to the Cbief mention Chattisgarh of Madhya Pradesh Minister of Bihar in the year 1965 demanding where many mechanised mines and factories to declare the community as Harijans. In were stablished within 10 years. But the spite of the necesary enquiries made, nothing Adivasi people are deprived of the benifit of has been done up till now. employment in those factories. In Bastor district Bailadila is the bigest iron ore mine The refugee families of East Pakistan who in Asia which earns 1,20,000 dollars per day are mostly cultivators belonging to the as foreign exchange by exporting iron ore to Scheduled Castes were rehabilitated to the Japan. The tribal people who constitute remote comers of UP, Andhra Pradesh, more than 70% of the population are not Rajasthan, etc. They are practically living getting 2 % of jobs there. The trained I.T.I. upon the mercies of the local officers. In Adivasi people who were enrolled in the December last, a large number of reufugees Employment EKchange were not employed from Hyderabad came to Delhi to place their within a year in this mine. grievances. They are ,pven barren lands there, with very little rainfall in the year. In regard to land, the local people are That place is practically unfit for rehabilita- tboroughly neglected. At the time of con- tion. The children of Dineshpur colony of struction of Dandallaranya project there was Naini Tal have no facility to learn Bengali, an understanding between the Centre and their mother-tongue. Those peole will have 297 D. G. (Deptt. CHAITllA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Social Wellare) 298 to be given those facilities at least so that they achieved independence, many questions arose can settle there and live just like human as to how to develop the Scheduled Castes beings ought to live. and Scheduled Tribes. During the British regime, the advanced communities took Lastly, I personally know the present advantage of the benefits of modem life from Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and the British rule, but the scheduled Castes Scheduled Tribes, who is totally opposed to and Scheduled Tribes have been neglected, the very idea of reservation for the backward downtrodden and kept under darkness for classes. But I cannot understand why he centuries. The leaders of the country, under holds the post which is against his philosophy. the stewardship of the Father of the Nation, In the interests of the backward classes, he thought some special provisions had to be should quit the post or the Government must made and thus, these special provisions have relieve him of this lucrative post. Otherwise, been incorporated in the Constitution, with I am constrained to say that the Governmept the idea that the Constitution had to be res- have an evil motive behind it. pected and honoured by all the nation. But what have we seen? Whenever we speak There has been a hot discussion about about the scheduId castes and tribes, even Jagatguru Shankaracharya of Puri and Guru the officers in charge laugh at us. If a Golwalkar. But I am not going into the finger of a man is broken, how can he be a intricacies of those discussions. Only, I feel strong man? 'Similarly, unless the whole there are so many laws under which we can country is developed to the same level, this punish the people who make wrong utterings, country cannot be strong. Therefore, these those who make such speeches, whatever provisions have been incorporated. But the they may be and whoever they may be and Constitution is not honoured and respected. whatever their social position. Who is For more than 20 years, I have been in the superior or not is not the question. In this Assembly and in Parliament and I know the context, I wish to mention only one thing. attitude of the so-called advanced sections of When Swami Vivekananda went to America the people. and came back to our country an d established some ashrams for the distresse [Sbri BasumataJ'ij The education imparted to us is quite under duress. They feel that they have not different from the education imparted to been given their due share and responsibility them. My suggestion to the hon. Minister for the development of the country. They have is that instead of wasting money in al1 tbe developmental activities at one time they not been given a chance to develop the country. They are aU the time exploited and should concentrate their efforts on education. education is imparted correctly everything trampled under the feet of the so-caUed If else will foUow. I have been fighting with advanced sections of the people. I do not like to use the expression "caste Hindus". tile Government of Assam for this. I have been fighting here also for the last fifteen Yesterday the lady member said, "I do years. But tbey are not doing it. I had the not believe only the scheduled castes and privilege of discussing with tbe Planning tribes can develop the scheduled castes and Commission also once. I put forward my tribes. The caste Hindus also can develop sugestion to them to spend money from gene- them." We do not oppose it. But hearts ral sectors for their all round Development. are hearts. I have been seeing the hearts of They say that it is not acceptable to tbem. those leaders who have only lip sympathy Tbey only showed me what they had done and not the heart. Unless the heart is for the Scbeduled Castes and Scheduled changed this Constitution is useless and Tribes, how much money they had spent on hopeless and it is there only in name. Scbeduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. Whenever I speak in the committees and But nobody looks into the question as to commissions, I feel sometime a little delicate how the money has been utilised. This is not because tbey may not appreuate our feelings, the money spent in schadeled castes and but rather they will laugb at us, because scheduled tribes to bring them up, to develop neither the hon. minister nor the Prime them to the same level as caste Hindus. If Minister nor the officiaJs can remove the you set apart money like this and think that feeling of hatred towards scheduled castes you have done everything for Scbeduled and tribes. I feel this is a cry in the wilder- Castes and Scheduled Tribes you cannot ness. bring them to the level of caste Hindus in hundred years. The scheduled castes and tribes were downtrodden in British" times. Now a new My suggestion is, do not take up aU situation has been created by the Govern· these developmental activities like horticul- ment since independence by starting industries ture, sericulture and so on. Instead of and other projects in tribal areas. wasting your money on these activities in the While constructing these dams and some name of developing the Scheduled Castes and of tbe multi-purpose projects Tribal people Scheduled Tribes, that money should be in large numbers have been ousted from spent on giving them better education. If their homes. When the Minister is asked that is done, I would like to tell the hon. to give us the number of Tribal people Minister that he would be worshipped by ousted from their homes and the percentage the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. of those people to whom tbey have given land, I wrote to the Prime Minister that our people the Minister asks for notice. Wby should not were feeling frustrated because they were be ask for notice ? That only shows the not given any chance to share responsibility approach of the Government. The apparoch in the Cabinet. The hon. lady Member is not the approach to develop these people who preceded me said that when the sugges- in a missionary zeal. tion was put to the Prime Minister she simply laughed. I sbowed the letter that Sbri Swell, a man of better understanding Pandit Nehru wrote to me where he had in the Question Hour referred to the these said that when the time comes according to Scheduled Tribes. I had the privilege to him the Tribal people must have a sbare in discuss this question. These Scheduled the Administration. Tribes in the Hill areas of Assam are all Christians. I do not want to hide any Sir, tbe time wiJI come. If it docs not facts. The question is, they have been come soon we will have to face the same given better education, a better standard of situation in every Tribal area as in some education witb a better standard of teachers. of the other areas now. It is not tbat the 301 D. G. (Deptt. CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) SociDl Welfare) 302 Tribal people are weak and inefficient. They us but it is the mutlS in this country that are more turbulent and more powerful are ruling us. Those mutlS have created a than the people of the Hill areas of Assam. society of the higher caste, higher class and Still the Tribal areas with plains are not higher community and the downtrodden are recognised. 1 warn you, if you do not languishing in this country. This is the take steps in time a time will come when situation which the misrule of Congress for you will have to face the same situation. twenty years has brought about. What about services ? They say they The hon. Members who participated in have given sufficient position in the services this debate have bitterly criticised the also. See percentages 2.21 for Scheduled Sankarachrya. Why criticise only Sankra- Castes in Class I and 0.65 for Scheduled charyya? It is not he alone who is creating Tribes in Qass I. In Class n the percenta- hatred or advocating untouchability in this ges are only 2.95 for Scheduled Castes and country. There are several Swamijis, including 0.38 for Scheduled Tribes. Golwalkar, who are advocating this. Recently Shri laiprakash Narayan made a statement ... This is the development or result despite the reservation in the services. What is SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA (Delhi the position in the field of education ? For Sadar): Sir, on a point of order. the Whole of India it has risen from the percentage of 5 during the British times to SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Why not they 24 now while for the tribals and scheduled tolerate us for some time? We have suff- castes it has gone up only from 8 to 10. ered humiliation in this country for so This is the education you have given. The long. caste Hindus are not able to appreciate the problems of educated tribals. Because they MR. CHAIRMAN: What is the point come from poor families, they do not know of order? how to speak or bebave properly. They also suffer from inferiority complex. So, r~ ~~ the down-trodden socially disabled are not ~~ ~~ ~ able to compete with the others for class 1 iIJT'!i arri"I: fiI; aniT or class 2 posts or for the lAS examination. 1fT;;.ft'Ir ~ ~~ ~ fill They should be excused. ~..... tl it; m if llil" .i'\"'CI"""( ~ If('f Therefore, if you are sincere in this matter, if you want all the communities in '4t ~ ~ ~ 1m ~ ~ ~ the country to develop, if you want ~ ~ r r ~ ~~ the country to progress as a ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ whole, then you have to allow these people to come up to the level of the other ~ rn: ~ "'&T ~ fiI; it ~.. ~c i!lT people by giving them all facilities. If you ~~~~ ~~~ are not going to do it, what is the use of talking here? It will result in nothing. f'" a!1R: ~ m¢ '1ft f.;r..;u ~ ~ m Therefore, my appeal to the Government is ~.. f.,ll '1ft I!mr i)l"(;n" ~ I ~ this: do justice to these people and be it r r~ ~ ~ ~ ~ sincere in implementing or executing what at1'r-lit you pro",ise. Do not laugh at their demands; ~ ~~ try to fulfil them as much as possible and as early as possible. "Asked whether he would use the RSS to end untouchability, Mr. Golwalkar SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tumkur): Mr, said many so-called untouchables were Chairman, at the outset I would like to say full-time RSS workers and participating that I have heard speeches made by hon. in the community dinners held from Members on both sides of the House. Now time to time. 'I do not believe in I have no hesitation in saying that the untouchability and have been working mutts and monasteries are ruling our country. with the help of the entire organisation It is not a democratic set-up that is ruling to end it,' he added." 303 D. G. (Deptt. APRIL IS, 1969 Social Welfare) 304 r ~~ the non-Brahmins to Vedic forms of worship, of the study of the Vedas by ~ ~ ~ m: ~ tfIR;r- the non-Brahmins !" fu;or ~ ~~~ ~ ~ This is how they have developed society ~~~ and I blame this Government for that. 17 bn. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Very recently, I want to know whether this Government Jaya Prakasb Narayan, the Socialist leader of would jnvestigate the position of swamijis in this country and a respectable man, has made this coUlltry. There are several swamijis who a statement that the RSS and the RSS Chief, hold a high position in this society; they Golwalkar, are creating hatred in this country. claim themselves to belong to a superior class and they are above God. The Congress can- MR. CHAIRMAN: He has explained not solve the problem of untouchability. The it. Congress President, Shri Nijalingappa, witb one State Minister of this country is going to SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Why did the attend a function on the 2nd of next month RSS and Shri Golwalkar and the Jana Sangh which is to be held by one Bhantanala Siva Members here not repudiate the statement Yogi. This swamiji is indulging in treacher- made by Shri Jaya Prakash Narayana very ous activities in Mysore State. He is creating recently? caste hatred in society and is having all sorts We have got the constitutional guarantees of nefarious activities including the manu- under articles 332 to 340 but the consti- facture of fake notes. This swamiji wants tutional guarantees have so far been respected to say that he is even above Basavanna and to oppress and suppress these classes. Basveswara. Basveswara did not create a More than ten crores of Scheduled Castes society which advocated untouchability in and Scheduled Tribes and millions this country. But this swamiji goes even of people of the backward commu- above him. Shri Nijalingappa wants to go nities, even after 22 yean of independence, and preside over a function organised by are still striving for their rights. Where is him. I am giving this instance to show how equality of opportunity? . Where are people the Congress Government cannot wipe off free from the stigma of colour, caste and untouchability in this country. This swamiji's creed ? What is the classless society that they name is One lakh ninetysix thousand Gana- have created in this country ? lingapuja Bhantanala Siva Yogi. Here 1 would like to quote an important 17·05 bn. paragraph where it has been mentioned :- [MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER in the Chair.] "Then came the major and bitter attack on the Hindu reactionaries. The Con- There is one Singheri Math in my State ference declared that the Manusmrlti and that Math is also a fabrication of all which directed molted lead to be poured these things. There are agents of Shri into the ears of such Shudras as would Shankaracharya and they are advocating the hear or read the Vedas, and which dec- same theory. So many political parties draw ried the Shudras, stunted their growth inspiration. If any political party in this impaired their self-respect, and perpetu: country draws any inspiration from Swamijis ated their social, economic, religious and these Maths, I say, it should be banoed and political slavery, be publicly burnt." in this country. Any such political party has (lnlerruption) no right to exist in the country. If I had Further, been the Minister, or the Prime Minister, I would have smashed these Maths in Mysore "Yet no Brahmin loses his high and and also in the rest of the country. What undefiled prestige in the society even if has the Congress Government been doing? he runs cloth-shops, medical pharmacies, It is doing nothing for the removal of un- dairies, hotels, perfumery and cutlery touchability. So many untouchables in the shops. Even Tilak, who had sponsored country have been suffering on account of a textile mill, never upheld the right of this stigma. There is no social refonn in D. G. (Deptt. CHAITllA 25,1891 (SAKA) Social Wei/are) 306 this country; there is no educatioDal system -that is called 'Nadirshabi', 'Nadirshahi' in the country; there are no IIOCiaI school in in Delhi which is very near to Parliament. the country. We have been spendilll Rs. 345 We have got sovereign Parliament here. What crores in the Fourth Plan. Where does the is the solution that we have made to wipe money go? It does not go into the hands of out untoucbability in this country 1. I ask any Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tn"bes that. men. The people who are creatilll a class society are eatilll away all the money in the Again, I would like to quote another country. thing ... I would like to quote one instance. It MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please try has been reported in the newspapers-every- to conclude DOW. one will bow his head in shame-which, says, "Village where Harijans are still untouch- SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: This is a very ables." important point. I quote: MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You have already exceeded your time-limit. Please "Bent with age, Bhagwanti, a 6O-year- conclude in two minutes. old Delhi woman, yesterday stood before the village panchayat as an accused. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: I am concluding. Her offence ? She had walked over We have created such a society. The village fields against the wishes of her Harijans, the Scheduled Castes, tbe Scheduled high-c:aste neighbours ...... Tribes all tbese people, have beeo kept by what is the punishment 1- the Coogress Government only to vote for CoIllfeSS. Even at the time of election ...... She was convicted and fined RI. campaign, they· says, :'Vote for Congress". 1.25. Her husband paid the fine. This What bas the Coogress Government done was the first time in the 400-year-old for these Harijans? I would like to brilll a history of Wazidpur Thakuran village naked incident which has happened recently that a woman had been brought before in my bon. friend, Mr. R, K. Birla's the bar of the panchayat. And this constituency-a famous industrialist; he knows happened only 13 miles away from tbe fact-which says: Parliament which has banished untouch- ability and declared it a criminal "A Harijan lady named Santodevi, aged offence." 23 years, was raped lDy one Chowdbari Nihal Singh on 19-3-69 in Bbadra Tebsil Further, I would like to quote: of Gaoganagar District in ~ ... " "Bhagwanti was not alone in the dock. Out of sbame and hatred, she aloog with With her were two other Harijan women. her child jumped into the well and were They had also been charged with the drowned. That the lady and the child same "offence" and given the same committed suicide is a shame. Even today punishment. The decision of the the culprits are moving freely and those paochayat was not unanimous ...... " culprits are ••• Then, the report says : SOME HON. MEMBERS: Shame, shame I "A few days ago the panchayat had announced it by the beat of drum that SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Is it correct to no Harijan could walk over the fields, say that untouchability io this country has including the common land. The Hari- been wiped off? I would like to suggest jans were' also forbidden to go to the this, if the hOD. Mioister, Shri Govioda Menon, fields to ease themselves ...... " and his Mioistry are not thick·skinned. •• Expunged as ordered by the Chair vide Col ...310 307 D. G. (Depll. APRIL IS, 1969 Social Welfare) 308 [Shri K. Lakkappa] SHRI R. K. BlRLA (JhuDjhunu): On Let the GOVCl'lllDCllt of India institute an a point of clarification. inquiry to find out the assets and liabilities of the mutts in this country, how many mutts arc encouraging caste system and hatred in '" ftt1I' ~ (4ffiIT) ~ this country ... ~ ~ ~ ;;rr ~ ~ I ~ ~~~ ~ SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO (Bobbili): f· I rise on a point of order. My hon. friend, •• Mr. Lakkappa, has given a particular incident ~ ... of a very shocking character. In that context, he has also informed the House that the SHRI R. K. BIRLA: The incident, unfortunate lady had committed suicide. In which Mr. Lakkappa has just now narrated. that contcxt he also mentioned that the has taken place in Bhadra tehsil of Ganga. culprits were ••, There is DO machinery for nagar district of Rajasthan. The name of him to know who that particular person was. that lady, Santodcvi, is correct. She com- He should DOt bring in •• and connect with mitted suicide by jumping into the well it a gruesome incident. I object to this. with her three year old daughter on account of shame and hatred. The name of the SHRI RANDHIR SINGH (Rohtak): gentleman who did something wrong, which Those remarks should he cxpunged. I cannot express, was Mr. Nihal Singh Chaudhury. Whether he •• I have no SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: When the information. But, in this connection, I Congress Government is still ruling the would certainly like to say that, a few country .. .(/nterruptions) months back, in Chana Basti in Bhadra, SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: This gentle- one Mr. Hans Raj, an M. L. A. of that district from Congress side, did try to do man should he taught a lesson. (Interrup- tion) something wrong to the Harijan people ... MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: So far as SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO : That is that shocking incident that you mentioned different. (Interruptions). is concerned, there is no objection; you have brought the case before this House and it is SHRI R. K. BlRLA : I must explain the really a case which the Govcmmcnt should whole position ... look into. SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: He must SHRI BUTA SINGH (Rupar): That tell the name. I insist on that. Otherwise, should DOt he allowed to go on record. he must withdraw his remarks or the remarks must he expunged. It is a question MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER.: So far as of prestige. the case referred to is concerned you have given the information. I will request Mr. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Lakkappa, Lakkappa ... you referred that the alleged offenders were such and such people and that they were moving about. Unless you arc prepared to eft W11 '{11f ~ ZIl ;m substantiate your .charge by submitting ~~~ ~ names otherwise, it would not he proper for you to say like that. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What you SHRI RANDHlR SINGH : No question have said, that should go. of proper or improper. He must disclose the name. I want to know who was that SHRI RANDHlR SINGH: This is a pCISOn • very serious matter. (Interruptions). •• Expunged as ordered by the Chair, .ide Col ... 309 D. G. (Depll. CHAlTRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) SociDI Welfare) 310 MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Lakkappa, ~ rr ~~ 'fiT ~ this is a general charge made for committing such an offence. Will you please with- ~~~ ~ ~ Q;m draw it 1 ~ t ciT ~ ~ I1T'!il' 1Irii I ... ~ ... SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: He is ••, I said. AN HON MEMBER: Has Mr. Lakkappa MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: How do you withdrawn it, Sir? know? Nabody knows that. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Both of SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : I will pass on them are going to withdraw. If I allow the information to you. Will the hon. Minister such absolutely unwarranted expressions concede an inquiry 1 (Interruptiom) without any proof on the floor of the HoullC. I do not think we are keeping the dignity of MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That is a the House. Will you withdraw or I will different matter-your demand for an inquiry. expunge it. Are you withdrawing or not 1 It is very legitimate. The information given by the representative of that Constituency SHRI K.. LAKKAPPA : One minute says some man was there. You cannot Sir. ~ ome how I used the word·· Is it make a general charge like this. unparliamentary 1 "" m ~ ~ ~ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is not a inft ~ I ~~ iflIT 1f MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : If is dis- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let us end covered in an inquiry and is sustained, you it here. Mr. Lakkappa, your speech is are perfectly right in saying 'Institute an over. inquiry'. • He has given the name. But when you said that he is such and such, that has not been proved. You will have to SHRI K. LAKKAPPA-rose. withdraw it. No further argument. (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I was pre- pared to give full latitude. Even now, if you apologise I will allow you two minutes "" Uo !}'o ~ : ~ 'Rr.r to conclude your speech. You will have to ~ ~~~ ~~ apologise to this House . •• Expunged as ordered by the Chair, vide Col 310 311 D. G. (lhptt APRIL 1.5, 1969 Social Welfare) 312 SHRI LAKKAPPA-rose already said I will expunge. I asked him to apologise. What else can I do ? MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : I am not prepared to listeD to you. Please resume ~~ ~ ;r(t your seat. (Interruptioll) No arauments. ~ I ~ l!im ~ Do you want to apologise? Are you pre- f« SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : I have got the SHIll• S. M. SOLANKI (Gandhinallllr): information on the phone. I got the infor· He has insulted a sucheduled caste lady. mation that he is •• If he is not. •• I am The second things is this : he wants to , not worried. But anyhow ... demoralise •• For these two reasons, he must withdraw his words. Otberwise be MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Without must apologise. any substance, without any evidence, you cannot say. Mr. Uikely. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : I will expunse it. That is all. Mr. Uikely. ~ !MR ( MR. DEPUTY·SPEAXER : That infor· ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ mation you can find out from Distribution -n : !lim-..n- Branch. r ~~ ~ ~ ~ r~ ~~~~ I SHRI SHEO NARAIN: Go to the Ubrary. MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Do under- stand the meaning of the language tbat I have -n ~ flrm: fWtit ~ used? I have already condemned. I have ~ ~ ~ If{ at'R said that any such utterance without any .mr.r ..n- substance in it, witbout any evidence, should ~~ ~ ~ ~ mr ~~ not go. I have already said so. Now, Mr. ~~ ~ ~ ~ "I'\1r Uikey. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ "1ft ~ I ~ ~ ... ~~ ~ ~ orr ~ ~~~ ~ ~~~ ~ 'RaT ~ f.I; 15 ~ ~ ~ ..n- ~ lIiT ~ ~ rn it foro: ~ gaIT itm ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ am: m ;ftmr it dllf""'lfM'i;tt ~ ~ r~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ifiT <'1m ~ ~ f.omt 3;'R: ~ l!i''(: I ~~ ~~~ I f MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : I have d ~ it ~ it m;r ~ ~ •• Expunscd as ordered by tbe Chair, vld. CoI ... 3JO m D.G. (IHptt. CHAITRA 25. 1891 (SAKA) Social Welfare) 314 if I ~ r ~ ~ ~ mfT "lit ~ ,.". 'i1fI;:r ~ f.f;m ~~ am:;fum ~~ it ~ mr it IIR ~ mr ~ ~ ;;it('I' fim;ftl ~ ~ r ~ ~ oft, aT ~ \iJ"IiR ~ ';n1f ~ ~ I ~~~ ~~~~ ~ 'IiT'{UI' ~ ~ ,.". ;;nft;r €\;;ft" ~ ~ lIiTlIif it ~ ~ I lilT ~ it. ~ u 'lit ;;rr ~ ~ I ~ 5-6 ~ anftcmiT ~ it 'IiOI', ~ ~ ~ WI' ~ armiT ~ iffiT W ~ flI; ~ iI", ~ ~ ifOiI' ~ rrit I ~ ~ 'R ~ ~ ~ \iJ"IiR, ~ WI' ~ ~ ml i ;mIT 1R:"4t f;r;m" ~ ~ lrt, ~ n. I ~ ~ CIIli<:: ij(AT ~ fit; ~ ~ ~ : ~ ~ ~ c~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ arr MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Let us see; let us proceed now. ~~ ~ ~ lIi'tt i;ffif 'Itt ~ ~ I ~ q"(.r ~ ffi SURI KIRUTrINAN : Please extend ~~ ~ ~~~~ ~ the time and also Jive our party some time. mam: w ~ ~ I ~ q"(.r ~~ ~~ ~ it mit MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER; Let us see. lIiT ~ r~ t at arT'f ~ lIi't 'Pif ~ ~~ ~ ~ lIiT ~~ ~ ~ '" "'" 'Pif ;orty t I arm- at ~ ~ ~ RlfT ~ r ~ ~ ~ wrn ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~~ I ~ ~ it \'I1Tm I i!lfr ~ ~ "1ft arflflm ~ ~ f.l; ~ ~~ r ~ ~ rt ~ ~ ;;r;mr ~ ~ ? !flIT CIfI'Il'iIiT ~ ;rnr anror ;;nftrlrt, ~ ~ amt ~ I ~ ;orty ~ ? ~ ~ q"(.r CIfI'Il'iIiT ~~~~ r r ~ ~ t ar11: wr-ft "1ft ~ ~ ~ if;f ;orty ~ I ~ ~ ;;rffir ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ f.l; ~ lIi'tt ~ iii ~ ~ ~ or@' 'R ~ ~ I ~~ SURI SONAVANE: Let him condemn ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ the Shankaracharya's statement first before ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ he speaks. ~~c ~~ ~ ~ '" ~ ~ "'" : it ~ ~ r r r~~ ;orty I ~ '" W11 ~ ~ or@' ~~ ~ lfUi" ;;;riIi am- fq;m t I ~~ am- ~ ~ ~ ~ mro 'lit ~ ~ I ~ fit; ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 1I'if ~ lr If,,,", ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 'IfIf'ir;!; 1l1'im it; r ~ ~ ~ ~~ SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : What has he ~ m- ~ I ~~ r ~r it; om: it tfWR said against me 1 I want to know. You must protect our rights. if{\' I ~ W:rfu ~~ ~ I it w om: it ~ ~ ~ t f.I; ~ r ~~ ~ (fiIi' ~~ ~ ~ ~ anf'fifO W:rfu 'I': fir;m: ~ ~ r r ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~ it _ ~its Ii ~ ~i !it!Hu h:l!&;!iit ~~ ~~ 'i i ~'! ~ f t ~E ~Ii; ~ Lr I; 'If: ~~ _ g ~~~ 'Ii lii, 'Ii ;. ~!! f ~l ~~i: 1:1 ~ ~ d ~di otfiC,1i ~r;,i-- ~fiffi:' ~It Ii ~~ 'Ii Ii ~ ~i ~~ ~i i ~~- t ~~ l; ~ ~ 'Ii : j I Ii: ~~ 1 ~t !! i I t i 1,~ j ~ ~~~ ~ r~ ~ ~ ~ r ~ a I; i ~1.0/: ~ ~tI6' :; i : 'If: ~~ i,; i ~~~ ~ i ~~~ ~ ~;g ~~ i ~i 'W~ ~ ~~ tI6' ~1 ~f i ~1i ~1.0/ ar ~'If: 'II«:;.... It til> ~i 1r ,&;~ fr ~f ~~ i ~ I 'If:: ~ ~~~ r- ~~iii I 'If: ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~B'- L .. ~ ~~~.. fbt..1 ~ ~h ~ ~i - r t I; .. - i % ~~ cg ~ i ~! I; ~~ ~ ~ 1; ar ';' ~~ ~~ til> ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~t\;T t ~ ~~ ! ~.. ~ ! 'It; : ~ 'Ii<; ~ ~ ~ ~ ~i IP' - 1< ~~ ~ ! ~ I J:~ ~ ! - Ii i' _ ~~~ ~~~ ~.. ~~ ~~r .. ~ P ~li;;HtI ~1q 11:! ~tl!;wl'l ~ B:ii ~ ~ ~ : ~JE W ~ ~~,I~ ~ i t ~ ~i ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ar i ~tfr ~: ,: ~~ r~ tIf ~~ ! :;, ~rf ~ ~ - ~~ ar i W~~ ~~ ; i, ~~ t t ~It ~j ~~ 1- ~'E, t ~1;= ~til> r ~Y;~ t 1 U J!' 1J >I:J!' - ~~ ~~ ~ ~~l i" ~~t'i t.: ~.J ":~ : .. 'Ii~ _"r[ -Iit ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~~ :: Ir - ~~ tfr i 1ir; ~~ ~ ~ J! ~ It t ~ ~ ~ 'It;,JE ~I;: ~16: do: 16:~ ~ - ~ t ~~ :Ii J! ~ ~'16: ~ ~ t ~ :! ar & ~i ~~~ ~ ~ ~~ t J! ~~ i ~J. ~~ ~ i t ~~ j 'Jie'til> ~::! ~ ~ ~h ~rh ~ ~it ;i!h ~i;'f h!! ~ 1 ~~tit t ~ ~! i j It ] ~~I ~~ ~ ~~} ~ tfr ~ ,I~ ~~ y; ~ t :; If; ~ 331 D. G. (Deptt. APRIL IS. 1969 SociJJl Welfare) 332 ~~~ under Untouchability Act. I am afraid whe- ther the Police Department has any knowledge it an;;mft arR ~ iIR ~ ~ iIfl' ~ of this Act. That is why they are not filing ~ t. ~ ~ fimm: .rn; ~ it any case or. otherwise. they do DOt care to file any case though untouchability is being ~ ~~ ro ~ ~~ observed in every affair. Even in Ahmedabad ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f.m ~ I city. the capital of Gujarat. untouchability is ~ ~~ ~ ~ being observed. No Harijan is being admit- ted to lmY department of the textile mills 'Ilf cmn t ft 18.05 hn. Recently. Shankaracharya of Puri made a statement and supported untouchability. He [SHRI GADILINGANA GOwn in the also said that dharma should not be guided Chair.] by rules of laws. Thereafter, the statements from other responsible persons are also being But what I feel is that the discussion is issued in his support, thereby poisoning the confined to speeches. ~ getting the atmosphere of the country. But I am sure demands passed by the strength of majority. tbe commonsense of the Hindu masses would no one has a sincere feeling to consider what not allow them to be influenced by such was spoken or criticised by the hon. Mem- statements. On behalf of my party, I would bers. This is the main cause for not having like to say that we dissociate ourselves from better progress for the uplift of Scheduled such statements. I want to know whether Castes and Scheduled Tribes and for tbe giving such a statement in support eradication of untouchability. of untouchability and thereby guiding the people on a wrong and unconsti- The Department deals with two main tutional way is DOt an offence under our sections. One section is for the welfare and Constitution and Untouchability Act and, if uplift of backward classes and the other sec:- so, what steps Government has taken or is tion is for general social work. For the going to take against Shankaracharya and present. I wil1 confine to the welfare of back- others who have supported him. I suggest ward classes and untouchability. The main that the Government should immediately object of this Department is the eradication pursue legal and administrative proceedings of untouchability which is the most distressing seeking that untouchability is not observed element in our country. This blot on our with impunity by any section of the society. civilised life should be quickly removed. When Shankaracharya made the statement, Untouchability. though a cognizable offence some police officers were in that meeting and. under the Untouchability Act. 19S5. is yet in when he supported untouchability, it become practice in rural areas in acute form. Will a cognizable offence. It was the duty of the Minister give the number of cases filed the police officers to arrest Shankaracharya by the Police Department under this offence ? at the same time, but the police oflicers In my Gujarat State. Prohibition Act is there. did not do their duties. Has the Govern- The Police Department files the offences under ment taken any action against those police this Act while no one cares to file any case oflicers ? 333 D. G. (1Rp1t. CHAlTRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Social Welfare) 334 At present, we are celebrating the Cen- Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe persons tenary of Mahatma Gandbi's birth. Durinll in government services. Government is aIIO this period Govemmeot should be more active aware of this fact, but no proper attention and prompt in tbe eradication of untouchabi- and strict actions are being taken. lity so as to fulfil Mabatma Gandbi's utmost desire. Last year, the then hon. Minister, Shri Asoka Mehta, in reply to the debate on I wisb "' bring to the notice of this hon. Social Welfare Department, agreed about the House that the Orissa Assembly, Jed by the unfair situation in regard to employment and Swatantra Party, has passed a Resolution promotions and he assured the House that unanimously condemning the statement made the situation would be improved. Y ct, by Shankaracharya. nothing has happened. In promotions the Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe emp- Harijans have no land for agricultural loyees are not being given the chances. Their operations. They are agricultural labourers cofidential reports are being spoiled; if any without land. For the social as well as eco- Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Tribe employee nomic uplift of Scheduled Caste and Scheduled raises his head for the purpose of justice, his Tribe persons, land should be allotted to them care is spoiled and departmental proceedings so that they may stand on their own feet. are started against him. I will give one Tbere are rules for the allocation of lands to example. What is happening in the Oil and landless Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Natural Gas Commission in Gujarat State is Tribe persons, but theY are not properly this. No reservations are being maintained implemented, especially in Panchayati Raj. in any category, though qualified candidates The lands which are not agriculturable and are available. which are under the direct possession of some- one only are allotted to Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe persons. Moreover, when J raised this question on the floor of the any person from Scheduled Caste or Scheduled House and ill reply to my question it was Tribe requests for wasteland to be allotted to stated that in the Oil and Natural Gas him, the Gram Panchayat, by a resolution, Commission out of 436 Class· employees transfers such lands to gauchar. It is regrct- only 2 are Scheduled Caste employees. In ted that Government can do nothing in regard Class II out of 74 employees, there is no to such unsocial and unlawful activities. scheduled caste or scheduled tribe employees. There should be a commission for obtaining In Koyali Refinery out of 161 C\ass I emplo- surplus lands from landlords and by trans- yees there is no one from the ScheduIea ferring the agricultural land from forest and Caste or Scheduled Tribe. Even Class III puchar and for proper distribution of posts are not properly filled up. Only upto the same to Scheduled Caste and Scheduled 8 % are at present filled up in the Oil and Tribe pcfSOns. Natural Gas commission whereas in the Koyali Refinery out of 1099 C\ass III posts The housing problem of Scheduled Caste only 2 posts are filled up. So far as the and Scheduled Tribe persons is very acute. Koyali refinery is concerned, Government's They live in very unhygienic conditions. policy with regard to appointment of Schedul- Proper help should be· provided to them in ed Castes and Scheduled Tribes candidates the form of loans free of interest and subsi- is to be followed in keeping with the require- dies for construction of dwelling houses. ments of the unit. On the basis of lIIlfficiency The P: W. R. scheme No. 219, wbich is not they are avoiding scheduled castes and in existence at present, should be reintro- scheduled tribes candidates. At present duced. though tbe qualified persons are available, yet we are not getting chances. Now I would Now I come to the point of employment also cite one other instance. and promotions for Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe persons in government ser- One senior officer eltpressed his grievances vices. From the report of the Commissioner to his departmental ofIicer and requested for for Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribes, we proper justice but instead of looking into will realise how far the Government is lagging the facts for the redressaJ of his Irievaoces, behind in fulfilling the reserved quota for a departmentar enquiry is imposed. I fear 335 D.G. (Depll. APRIL IS, 1969 Social Wei/are) 336 [Shri D. R. Parmar] ment. They are the backward classes. There his career will be spoiled. These instances are certain safeguards provided under the show bow the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Constitution. Under the scheme provided Tribes candidates are being harressed. 1 have under the constitution they have been come to know that the Railway Board has broadly divided into three classes. They issued a circular for living a proper and are the weaker sections. They are the sympathetic consideration to the Scheduled scheduled castes, the scheduled tribes and Caste and Scheduled Tribes employees for thirdly other backward classes. They are the promotion. Yet, however, no response has socially backward classes. been liven to this order by the railway officers. AN HON. MEMBER: Women also. 1 have also come to 1coow that the hoo. SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO : Women Home Minister has issued instructions vide are not backward clasaes: they are dignified O. M. No. 1/12/67 Est (C) dated 11th July, classes privileged classes, but not backward 1968 that the posts for the member of classes. Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribe emp- loyees should be reserved for promotions from So far as the other part, about scheduled Class m to Class II including selection castes and tribes are concerned, I will come grades. Even then no proper attention is being to it a little latter. That point was touched given by the departmental officers on this upon by several hon. friends. I fully circular in filling up the post by promotions. endorse them. The hon. Law Minister is here. I think he can understand the legal SHR] SONAVANE (Pandharpur): These problems that are involved in this context. circulars are not meant for implementation. There is the distintion of social equality SHRI RANGA (Srikakulam): Only to from economic equality and there is distinc- be ignored. tion also from social equality to political equality. In our country caste system is SHR] D. R. PARMAR: I have a copy predominant. Certain sections have been of this order also. downtrodden. They are socia\ly over-looked; there are social injustices. There are certain SHRI RANGA : It is not being imple- classes like this who have become down- mented. What is to be done? trodden. In this context of the social SHRI D. R. PARMAR : Laatly 1 will fabric of our country social justice should come to the Central Social Welfare Board. have a distinct meaning. I have to emphasise Out of the total grant of this Ministry 55% this fact because this particular aspect has is being a\lotted to the Central Social Welfare not been receiving the attention of the Board. The allocation of 45% is seen in Government as we\l as the people. the Demands but what about 55%. The Central Social Welfare Board should submit Article 15 of the Constitution provides its lUXOunts to the Parliament. This Board for reservations. In spite of the equality was established in 1953. At that time it was clause, certain reservations can be given by a fu\ly Government body. Uptill now it the State in the case of the socially and was a semi-Governmeot body. But what ecooomica\ly backward people. Under 1 heard i. that from 1-4-69 it is registered Article 16, a comprehensive word 'backward under the Companies Act and hence it is class' is used. There is also Article 46 now a private body. Under the circumsta- which states that the State shall take special nces can the Department advance grant-in-aid care. This is a very standard form. They to such private organisation ? say that the State shall take· 'special care' for the benefit of the weaker sections of Thank you, Sir. society. That means, the scheduled tribes and castes and other backward classes. SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO (Bobbli): 1 would confine myself to a class of persons Here two schemes are provided. So Car who are callously oqlected by the Govern- as the scheduled castes and tribes concerned, 337 D.G.Depll. CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) SocfoJ Wellare 338 a specific machinery is provided. When earlier period also. When we got the Inde- we come to backward classes Art. 340 pro- pendence, the Britishers had also classified vides that the President shall appoint a and declared other backward classes list backward classes Commission to enquire along with the Scheduled Castes and Schedu- into the condition of the economically and led Tribes. They arrived at certain conclu- socially backward classes to find out how the sions after touring various places and after situation can be remedied. The Kaka assessing the social and educational condi- Kalelkar Committee was appointed and they tions of the people. Now, instructions have have submitted a report. What is their been issued : "oon't bother about social and report? They have stated, in respect of the educational backwardness and the economic criteria to determine whether a particular criterion has to be taken into consideration." class is a socially and economically backward All of a sudden the family has become the class, the predominant element is the caste unit of reference. A family having an of the peresons. Now, in the Hindu income of Rs. 1,500 per annum may be con- hierarchy certain sections are considered sidered as· socially and educationally back- very low. In spite of this, the Chairman ward. I hope the hon. Minister will under- has made certain remarks and given a stand if I say that this is a fraud on the lengthy preface. I have never seen such a Constitution when the privileges provided lengthy preface anywhere. In his individual in the Constitution for a certain section of capacity he has made .certain recommenda- the society are diverted to those for whom tions. He has made the observation that they are not envisaged. When you bring the economic criteria should be there. We in the criterion of economic backwardness, have been fighting this caste system for a if you say that poor people are to be assist- long time. But surreptitiously this ed, then I have no objection, but not at economic criterion is being accepted by the the cost of those for whom you have specially Government. made constitutional proVISIonS. Many States have virtually scrapped the backward The President is required to place before classes list as they have started taking into the House a certain Memorandum. What account the criterion of economic backward- is stated in that Memorandum? They have ness. Economic backwardness is quite different not accepted the recommendations of the from social and educational backwardness. If committee. It is true no doubt that there you take the example of two families, one are classes and classes who require help but family socially backward though it may be so many castes and so many communities above the economic limit and tbe other- are there. This is what the Memorandum whicb is covered by this economic criterion says. All this takes away the effect of the but socially advanced, what is to be done 'quality clause'. The approach is not in these cases? In Article IS of the Constitu- good. tion, it has been deliberately mentioned that special provisions must be made for the What they have said is : "we will enquire advancement of any socially and education- into the problem again." Meanwhile, they ally backward classes of citizens. I would have also suggested to the State Governments like hoo. Minister to answer this point. to see that this existing list should be pr0- tected and they may also appoint ad hoc Another difficulty has been created by the Committees. Instructions have further been Courts also. The Courts have caused con- issued to, the State Governments requesting fusion in this context. With due deference them to render every possible assistance and to the judgment of the Supreme Court, I to give all reasonable facilities to the people would say that the Chitralekha decision and who come within the category of backward the Balaji decision require re-consideration. classes in accordance with their existing I urged their Lordships to re-consider their lists and also to such others who in their judgments, but I could not succeed. I addres- opinion deserve to be considered as socially sed a Division Bench consisting of two Judges and educationally backward under the which had no power to revise the judgment. existing circumstances. This line they have accepted in the initial stages. In the presidential memorandum, instruc- tions have been issued to follow the existing Here, we have to go back to a little lists. Is it correct to issue instructions to 339 D.G. Depll. APRIL IS, 1969 Sociol Welfare 340 [Shri K. Narayana Rao] ~~ c ~~ ~ the State Governments that economic criterion I ~~ r ~~~ should be observed in this reprd? When t an upper esste man tells a lower caste man ~ "11ft ,it IR1IT ~ ~ thai he need Dol bring in the essie considera- \iITfu it; ~ ;;rf.r mr ~ ~ ~ ~ fit; tion, it is not that the lower esste man is so much enamoured of his esste. He is ~ ~ r~ ~ ~ already looked down by the higher caste man ~~ r ~~ ~oro~ ~ and the higher caste people are the people ~ ~ ~ 'lit ~ ~ who perpetuate the caste system. Articles am: Ifroti IS and 16 are the operative clauses which ~ ~ r ~ r rr ~ zm, ~ talk about equality. If the provisions of the ~ aiR ~ ifTo'f ~ f.rimrr Constitution are to be implemented in an ~ ~ ~ equal society, with social and educational iflIT, .m 'liT am: 6IfIif inequalities, natura\ly inequalities will be ~ r rr ~ ~~ ~ perpetuated. If we bring in the economic ~ fit; ~ ~ ir.f ~~ criterion also, then the existing inequalities ~ ~~ r~~~~ rise to support the demands of the Ministry of Social Welfare because l feel that any ar;;gr t I ~ arq;ft ~ if ~ m if amount that can be given is far short when r~~ ~ 'WfTvit m compared to the magnitude of the task. A lot of things can be said about social welfare, I ~ ~ ~~ ~ 'liT 3fCI1fTif I]it it Harijans, Scheduled Castes and Tribes and ~ ~~~~~ ~~ others. But I must say that after 22 years ifT'm 'irir ani\" I ~ ~ ~~ ~ I of Independence the whole of this country m should hang down its head in shame that ins- lI& aT o'A; t f'l\" ~ ~ 'I1fim an- I]it tead of identifying themselves as Indians in ~ lI& trz;rr artffl am if f.I;o;ft ~ this country, they are trying to create more and more castes, Scheduled Castes and Tribes. r~ ~ o r~ t? The Scheduled Castes are fighting for their ~ W'IiT 'liT ~ f.!;Irr ~ t ? social rights. I belong to a Scheduled Tribe ~ ~ ~ ~ and I have been fighting desperately for the last so many years and I have not been able ~ ~ ~~ ~ lI& ~ to get the moral or legal justification. I feel ~ ~~ very strongly about it. I am reminded of the words of Dt. Martin Luther King, the Civil Rights leader, who said, "If a man has not ~~~ ~ found out something that he has to die for, r.ro: it ;m ~ am!" ~ 'fiT amrm his life is not worth living." ~ f.t;it 20 mr ~ arm. ~ I]it I it I am one of those unfortunate creatures ~ ~~ ~ ~ who feels very strongly about some of theae '1\"1 fu1i t ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ things. The Scheduled Casts and Tribes if ~ fif'im: f.!;Irr ~ have been denied their fundamental rights rom: t am w and there is rio justification advanced by the if ~ ~ ~ il>'T ~ am lff<:lI& Government so far. ~~ f..... I<'lciifi r~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ The time at my disposal is very short and I do not want to elaborate things. I crave liR+f ~ ~ 1f1 I ~ 1JiIi ~ t m'f the indulgence of the Chairman and appeal to ~~~ f.I;\1;:r ~~ the hon. Members of this august House to bear with me. Article IS of the Constitution ~ Of ~ I!I'l'\'it w ~ ~ lIlT lIfir- says: if1f ~ arm ~ ;;rni't t am ~ lI& ~ ~ \1;:r II': ~ Of ~ ~ fu1i ~ ''The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only-Mark the ~~~ ~~ word-uonly" there-u ...of religion, ~ ~ 'fiT w lft;;r;rr t am: race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of ~~~~~~~~ them." ~~ ~ I. ~ rr r~ ~ ~~~ ~ ~ rr~ ~~ 18.40 brs. ~~ ~ ~~ Now, tbe word "only" means that discri- ~ ~ ~ u u t am m mination can be made on grounds otber than these, that is on economic grounds. This is ~~ ~~ the reason why and how we have got an ex- ~~~~ ~ ~ ception made in the case of Scheduled Castes. ~ fuq:;yfuff II': 'IiR;r ~ &l'Wll Article 341 authorises the President or the Governor as the case may be to specify the f.!;Irr ;;rrlf I castes, races, etc., which shall be deemed to be Scheduled Castes. And after para 2 of SHRI KARTIK ORAON (Lohardap): I this Article is added : 343 D.G. Deptl. APRIL 15,1969 Social Welfare 344 [Shri Kartik Oraon] there can be no argument. This has been "NotwithstandiDi anything contained supported by many facts also. The Lokur in para 2, no person who professes a religion Commission has published a report; it is a different from Hindu or Sikh religion shall be Government publication. They have stated deemed to be a member of the Scheduled at page 20, para 39 of the report, as Castes." follows: Why such a provIsIon has been made? "For about a century, foreign relilious Because the intention, the spirit and the letter missions have been active in these areas of the Constitution was, and is, to protect the artd from the British days the tribes Scheduled Castes from the more aggressive, have been enjoying distinctive treatment. vocal, educationally and socially and politi- The literacy rates are very high-44 per . cally advanced commuDities. That is the cent in the case of Mizo (Losei); tribal purpose and that is the reason why an areas of Assam have been excluded from exception has been made, and a Presidential the operation of the normal laws, order called the Constitution (Scheduled Caste) including those relating to taxation. order, 1950 has been brought and incorporated Vast amounts have been invested for along with the special provision for the economic development. The averqe scheduled castes. economic level of a tribe of these areas is aenerally estimated to be much higher My point is that so far as the Scheduled than that in comparable area elsewhere Castes are concerned, I hope they have been in the country. Politically, these tribes reasonably protected by the provisions of the are fully conscious." Constitution. But I am sorry to have to say (Interruption) that the Government has never found it expedient to bring out a similar provision in Please pity my position because I am the case of Scheduled Tribes though the cases the last person to be given the chance to are very much similar. As a result of this, speak. As a result of all this, I personally we find that such a provision is conspicuously feel that it is idle to talk of the blessings of absent in the case of the Scheduled Tribes. the constitution unless there is equal protec- tion of the spirit and the letter of the I would now like to draw the attention Constitution. Why this double standard? of the House to article 46 of the Constitution That is my question. As a result of this, which says: what is happening today ? ''The State shall promote with special 18.45 hn. care the educational and economic interests of the weakar sections of the Tribes who have been converted to people and, in particular, of the Christianity and who form only 5.53 per Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled ceot of the tribal population are grabbing Tribes, and shall protect them from 90 per ceot of everything that is coming in social injustice and all forms of exploita- the name of tribes. Out of 4500 post-matrie tion." scholarships during 1967-68 in Bihar, only 400 have gone to the tribes and the rest 41,00 When we say that the weaker sections have gone to the Christans. 90 per cent of of the people shoud be protected, we really the Government jobs are taken by Christians. mean the educationally and economically All the District Welfare Officer are Chris- weaker sections. In the case of Scheduled tians. The same pattern prevails in other Tribes, shose who have been converted are parts of India where Christians dominate. so much educationally and socially advanced In Assam, they are 24 per cent. In Bihar, and politically so such conscious that they they are only 10 per ceot. can perhaps rank higher than the Hindus and Muslims and if this is the standard of Coming to the all India figures, in the backwardness, I think there is no community lAS and IPS, I am sure Christians are in this country which is at all to be called grabbing not less than 75 per ceot, but their backward. Every community is backward population is only 5.S3 per ceot. In 1966, in that case, because it is a fact about which four scheduled tribes were recruited to the 345 D.G. Depll. CHAITRA 25, 1891 (SAKA) Social Wel/a,e 346 Ind ian Forest Service aDd all of them were relision shall be deemed to he a Christians. From 1954 to 1968, 44 overseas member of a scheduled tribe." scholarships have been awarded and 26 of them have gone to Christians-13 in Assam,12 Tbe time is ripe for having such a provi- in Bihar and one in Nagaland. That means, sion in the Constitution and I earnestly request S9.1 per Cent of the scholarships have aone to him to take necessary steps immediately. Cb ristians and their population is only 4 per cent. Let the House not misunderstand me. I am only asking for a fair deal for '" ~ (!ffi;rlr) : ~ ;;ft, ~ the tribes. lIR amiT ~ ~ ~ ~ ;;IT m it 'EIit I ~ ~ ~ ~ There are many other forms of exploit- q;-;r 'lfiffir gt aT 'lit ation. In West Bengal, from the consti- ;;r;:m it ~ W!I" m f.rt;m 'IT I ~ ~ tuency reserved for scheduled tribes, one ~ ii; omr 8I111T 8IR ~ \'f1TAT Anglo-Indian contested and be was elected. m In Bihar, one Indian Christian contested ~ fiI;lrr fit; ~ 00 ii, ~ 00 it I from the reserved seat and he was elected. ~ r ~ ~ it vftl What is more astonishing is, that an erstwhile leader of the Jharkand party, who claims ~ 1II'R ~ '!iT 'l1JT flI; ~ ;;IT to champion the cause of tribals, allowed ~ ~~~ I!llt;m ~ ~ this seat to be contested by a Christian who had no tribal origin. I waut to know what aT """ \'Iltff it ~ fit; ill 00 Ifitr ~ the Home Ministry have done ahout these ~ I ~ m ~ fit; ;m 00 ~ ~ aT thinlS. They have not done anything. ~ eft<:tl flI; ij;'fj V1aIT I ~ ~ They have done only post-oflice work. That is what I find whenever I put starred aDd ~ ~ .wr 1II'R 'llrof it ~ ~ fit> unstarred questions in this House ahout ~oo~~ ~ aT ~~ scheduled tribes. ~~ ~ ~~ am: ~ There are many tribals who are training ~ ;;r;mT I 1JIi; 00 ii; m it ~ ~ to become brothers and sisters for missionary ~ ~ it ~ $ ~ itt work in Ranchi. Concurrently they are ii; ~ ~ ~ ~ admitted as students in the colleges and 00 \'Iltff it 00 they are getting tribal scholarships from ~ ~ 'f'mT ;;mrr ~ lIl: "1ft ~ Government. They simply sign and tbe ~ U1J1;r it ~ it IllfI m ~ ~ money goes to the mission. This is the way in which Government is misusing the m fit; 'lilt ii; ~ ~ ~ 'lmIl money meant for the furtherance of the ~~ ~ 00 WI" r~ I cause of scheduled tribes. When Harijan ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Christians do not get scholarships as tr omr f.t;o;ft' scheduled castes, they become scheduled ~ ~ fimft ~ ~ it ~ tribes. t I ~ ;;mrr t fit; ill 200 .wr ~ m- 300-400 ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Finally, I have a request to make to the .wr Law Minister whose speeches aDd arguments m 1JIi; lIl: ~ ~ t flI; ~ I have beard with rept attention. I have ~ 1iR: ~ ~ 0iflIiT cro~~ ~ ~ ~ I seen tbe dynamism with which be has been ~~~~~ ~~ ~ able to carry the House with him. I request him to bring forward a constitutional amend- ~ r afr<:-m ~ ~ ~~ ment or a Presidential order, seekine to add ~~ ~~ ~ ~ the following provision to article 341 : ~~ ~~ ~ ~ I ~ "Notwithstanding anything contained in ;n;rIIT ~ ~ fit> ~ ~ ii; omr para (2), no one who professes a relision ~ lft;;m ~ fit; lft;;m ~ ~ different from a tribal relision and who lIi1f m has been converted to any other ii; ~~ ~ ~ u ~~ 347 D.G. Deptt. APRIL IS, 1969 Social Wei/are 348 ['>ft fm] ..rr 'U'fiT ;;mr am: ~ ~ ~ 200 m ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ IfIIiTIIT ;;rnrr ~ 'IliRIIT ~ if ~ am: ~ ~ ~ 1Il ~ ~ it;rtf, ~ ~ ~ if 19 m ~ ~ ~ flm ;;mr I ~ ~~~~ ~ SHRI SONAVANB : May I request the hon. Member, Sir, to live us' some infor- ~o 1:(1'0 ~ ~ : mation about the untouchables in Goa. The ~ ~~ it ~ qlffl' ;rtf hon. Member comes from Goa and we would like to bear from him something about the "!'!IT I ~ ~ ~ it ilT'fiI> ~ untouchables there. ~ ~ ~ I ~ ~ 'fiT ~ ~ 'fiW ~ f'fi 1Il ~ q; ~ m\'I" ~ ~ f;;rit moR:- qtf ~ ~ It': w;W arrit am: m ~ fuq- iii ;;IT f.rznr ;f.t it --lfTifT 25 ~ 0 ~~ I ~~ it am: ~ 'liT f'f'1., rr~o ~o mm] ~ r~ ~~~ ~ "fdMNe( ~ ~!8 :; ~~ ~ t ~~ i .:1;= ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ;', ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ m,:: ~i I Z 'Ii ~ ~d! ~ ~ ! f' 'jW'If: ~ i ~~ t ~~ :i ~~ ~ ~ t l Ii ~: ~ ~"" ~ ~'If: r-- ~~ t ~li Z t ~ t~ lJ8: a;- ~a;- Z ~ ~1;= ~ ~: ~ ~f f ~ fII' f i ~Z ~~ 1; _: i i ~~~ t ~! ~ &r i i ~ 'f ~~~ ~ .; ~~ 1 -i ~~ f ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~f ~~ ~~ i!! ~~ ~~ ~ ~~~ 'Ii; i' ~'Ii; rr1 i ~t,li ~ i ~ i ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~ ~ t=i',f!; ~~ f Ii: t cJic-'Ii; tIfo d!~ ~~ ~ i ~~ ~ct:" ~IV; ~~ tW ~ 'E; i tIfo It 'Ii ~! f ~ ~~i ! Z ~;:':; ~ ~1 ~l ~~ ~~ ~~ 'r ~ - ~! ~~~ ~ ! 'f ~~ ~tW ~ ~ 1ri ~'Ii ~ ~ i ~rr 'f -i ~! ~g, Z ~t ihOIt tIfo ~ r f -i W ~~~ u~ ;1 ~~ ~~ ~ ~ru ~ ~~ h t ~~ r~~~~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~hi>' ~~ ~~- d1! \:- ~~~ihOI ~~ ~a;- IW t Ii * . ~ rri~ i ~rr ! f:Hh~ ~ ~~ r ~J1<"i-r ~ U ~ ~ r~~ ~d ~~ ~ ~ ~~r ~~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~rr~ ~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~ ~t ~~ ~ ~! i ! ~~ ~1 ~~ ! ~'f .; ~'Ii; l' t i ~~ ~~ ~ ~Eli tIfo i Ii l 356 3SS D.G. Dept/. APRIL IS, 1969 Social Welfare lift ~ (omrlfir): mlT'ffu ~~ There is no quorum. The· House stands adjourned till 11 A.M. tomorrow. ~ ~ if{\' t I 19.13 brs. The Lok Sobha the" adjourned till Eln." MR. CHAIRMAN: The bell is beinl 01 the Clock on Wednesday, April 16, 1969/ l'1IlII'" Chai/ra 26, 1891 (Saka). Printed at : Navin Press, Delhi-6.