LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

Eighth Series, Vol. XXVIII; No. 45 Wednesday, May 5, 1987 Vaisakha 15. J 909 (Saka}

Eighth Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)

( Yol. XXVIII eontain.r NoJ. 41 IO 50)

LO.K SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI Prlr� · R.6, 6.00 CONTENTS

[Eighth Senes, Vol. XXVIII, Eighth SeSSion, 198711909 (Saka)J No 45, Tuesday, May 5, 19871Valsakha 15, 1909 (Saka)

COLUMNS

Oral Answers to Questions

• Starred Questions Nos 900, 903, 906, 907 910, 911, 913 and 914 1-39

Wntten Answers to Questions

Starred Questions Nos 901,902, 904, 905, 908 909,912.915 and 917 to 919 39-47

Un starred Questions Nos 8946 to 9039, 9041 to 9123 and 9125 to 9158 47-290

Papers laid on the Table 295-301

Matters under Rule 377- 301-307

(I) Demand for alcohol-based Industnes In Azamgarh and Balha districts of Uttar Pradesh

Shn Raj Kumar Rat 302

(II) Demand for dams on fivers 'Naar' and 'Paar' for making available drinking water to people of Malegaon, Chadwad and Yevla tehslls of Nastk district In Maharashtra

Shn S S Shove 302

(III) Demand for halt of Gomtl Express at Tundla Junction and Stoppage of certain express/ superfast trains at Ftrozabad and Shlkohabad railway stations

Shn Ganga Ram 303

The Sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member (I) (ii)

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(iv) Demand for financial assistance of As. ten lakhs from the Prime Minister's Rehef Fund to persons affected by the fire In Khahlabad district of U.P. and also construction of houses for them under Indira Awas Yojana

Dr. Chandra Shekhar Tnpath. 304

(v) Demand for handing over excavated .dols to concerned religious communities, parttcularly Jain Idols excavated In Hansl (Haryana) and Damoh (Madhya Pradesh) to Jain community.

Shn Dal Chander Jain 305

(VI) Demand for connection National Highway No. 12 With National Highway No. 43 from Jabalpur to Ralpur vIa Mandla.

Shn M.L. Jhlkram 305

(VII) Demand for looking Into the activities of the Railway Employees Cooperative Group Housing Society, Deihl.

Shrt AJlt Kumar Saha 306

(viii) Demand for a centre for UPSC examinations at Gangtok In Slkklm

Shnmatl 0 K Bhandari 307

Governors (Emoluments, Allowances and Privileges) Amendment BIII- 307-346

Motion to conslder-

Shn V,rdhl Chander Jam 308

Shn C. Janga Reddy 310

Shn Sharad Olghe 315

Shn Dmesh Goswaml 320

Shn P. Namgyal 327

Shn BraJamohan Mohanty 328

Shrt Narayan Choubey 333 (iii)

COLUMNS

Shri Raj Kumar Rai 335

Shri S.- Buta Singh 337

Clauses 2 and 1 345

Motion to pass- 346

S. Buta Singh 346

Jute Packaging Materials (Compulsory Use in Packing Commodities Bill- ... 346-368

Motion to consider, as passed by Rajya Sabha

Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha 346

Shri P. Appalanarasimham 349

Shri Shanti Dhariwal 351

Shri Ram Bahadur Singh 353

Shri Manoj Pandey 357

Shri Indrajit Gupta 361

Discussion Re: Indo-U.S. Aelations- 368-412

Shri Saifuddin Chowdhary 368

Shri B.A. Bhagat 381

Shri B. B. Ramaiah 394

Shri G.S. Swell 398

Shri Syed Shahabuddin 409 LOK SABHA DEBATES

2 Lok Sabha dyeing and printing and various other industries are using firewood on a large scale due to non-availability of coal and Tuesday May 5, 1987/Vaisakha 15, gas or their high cost, and 1909 (Saka) (c) whether it is proposed to open coalyards in Jodhpur and other parts of Rajas- The Lok Sabha met at Eleven than to provide alternative source of of the Clock. energy, if so. the details thereof?

[MR SPEAKER in the Chair] [English]

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). A statement is [English] given below.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Jain. STATEMENT

SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: Ques- (a) to (c). The small scale industries in tion Number Nine Zero Zero. Balotara, Pali and Jodhpur In Western Rajas- than have been uSing ttrewood traditionally MR. SPEAKER: How come there is dou- on a large scale as the design of their furnaces ble zero? Only one zero is enough. Why has remained unmOdified. by and large, and multiply it? therefore they have not been able to use coal effectively. The matter regarding the promotion (\f the use of coal instead of firewood was [ Translation] taken up by Coal India Limited as far back as 1982. Coal India Limited have already opened Opening of coalyards in Rajasthan stockyards at Kota and Bharatpur and are having comfortable stocks of approximately. *900. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: 11,000 tonnes of coal to the needs of various Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to customers. The Government of Rajasthan state: have the.r own coal distribution arrangements ,n Jodhpur and otner places in the State. Coal 'ndla Limited have also offered (a) whether Union Government are the,r services to the State Government to aware of indiscriminate felling of trees strengthen their existing network of coal going on in border Thar desert areas of depots being operated by the Rajasthan Western Rajasthan due to inadequate Small Industries Corporation. Depending availability of coal and gas there; upon the requirement of the industries and other consumers, Coal India would be wi1ling (b) whether small scale industries in to supply COAl to more outlets for distribution Balotara, Pali and Jodhpur, engaged in of various types of coal to the consumers. 3 Oral Answers MAY 5,1987 Oral Answers 4

[Translation] ces are required to be modified, they should be compelled to do so. I, therefore, SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: Mr. want to know the action being taken to Speaker, Sir, it has been stated in the check indiscriminate ·lse of wood by these reply that arrangements have been made units in the desert areas? for having comfortable stocks of coal in Rajasthan. The question IS that the coal- SHAI VASANT SATHE: Thi~ is an impor- yards opened at Kota and Bharatpur by the tant question. The old furnaces in these Coal India Limited are 1000 miles away printing units can only make use of fire- from Jodhpur. Coal can be used in Bikaner wood. Until the furnaces are modified and diVision as well. It IS a desert area and indis- modernised, coal cannot be used in them. criminate felling of trees is gOing on there. The State Government's should provide May I know the reasons for not opentng a assistance to them for this purpose coalyard at Jodhpur to cater to the through banks. If the furnaces are modi- demand of the people there in spite of the fied, I am prepared to supply coal. I can fact that the Association of Small Scale supply as much coal as you require. So far Industries, which has already applied to as the felli ng of trees is concerned, we alt the Central Government for this purpose, feel like you that every possible effort is prepared to shoulder the responsioility should be made to prevent it. of opening a coalyard there? MA. SPEAKER· Who is sitting there SHAI VASANT SATHE: There are Small resembling Vyasji? Are you yourself there? Scale Industries ASSOCiations in the States (Interruptions) That is why, I had to find duly recognised by the State Govern- out. ments. If they have taken the responsibility of opening a stockyard, I am sure that they SHAI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS: This IS would be able to extend due co-operation. what he was also saying just now whether Prior to this we made efforts to open a the hon. Speaker would be able to recog- coalyard at Jodhpur keeping In view the nise me. I said that it would be good if. I problem being faced by the Association of was not recognised as otherwise my turn (he Small Industries, but the Rajasthan would come. Government informed us that no one was ready to come forward to lift coal and that MA. SPEAKER: I tried my best...... ( Inter- is why we could not open a coal yard there. ruptions) For this purpose, a Committee was appointed which submitted its report detailing therein as to what should be done. SHRI GIRDHAAI LAL VYAS: Mr. The hon. Member has stated that some Speaker, Sir, I want to know from the hon. Association of Small Scale Industries is Minister that.. ... ready to shoulder the responsibility of opening a coalyard there. It is good but MR. SPEAKER: Vyasji, Dandavateji there should be a guarantee to the effect wants to ask something. He wants a reply that the small consumers would also be to his question. able to get coal. [English] SHRI VIRDHI CHANDEA JAIN: The PAOF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Why are reply is satisfactory. The small scale indus- you topless today? tries in Balotara, Pali and Jodhpur which are engaged in dyeing and printing are (Interruptions) using firewood on a large scale. Unless the [Translation J design of their furnaces is modified, they will not be able to use coal. I want that they AN HON. MEMBER: He is not topless should make use of coal and if their fuma- but topiless'. 5 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MR. SPEAKER: He is after a cap, that is MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- some authority. LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): You people are in the habit of topI uchhalana SHRI V ASANT SATHE: It means a cap is (disgracing in public). required on your head, but it should not happen that...... SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS: Mr. Speaker, Sir, there are several industrial SHRI V. TULSIRAM: He has taken off his centres in Rajasthan, particularly in Bhil- cap to put it on your head. wara, where coal is badly needed. Secondly, the system of distribution of .... (Interruptions) ..... coal through the Small Scale Industries Corporation has plenty of defects. In this SHRI V. TULSIRAM: He wants to put it connection, I had requested you last time on your head for Rajasthan ...... also that the distribution system of coal is not proper; most of the coal is sold in the SHRI VASANT SATHE: Do not put it on black market due to which the small scale me. As han. Prof. Madhu Dandavate does units are not able to get it. They have to buy not wear a cap, so Vyasji has started emu- coal from the black-market. In view of this, lating him. Prof. Madhu Dandavateji can will the hOll. Minister arrange to open coal remain topless but not Vyasji. depots specially in BhiJwara for the industrial centres there to ensure proper and (Interruptions) smooth supply of coal to these centres there. MR. SPEAKER: Shri R.M. Bhove (Not present) SHRI VASANT SATHE: Vyasji, I have Shri Suman (Not present) already told you that we cannot do so and if we open such depots all around, it win Sh ri Prakash Chander (Not present) not be economical for us. I have told Virdhi Chanderji that if the small industries can [English] form an Association and send us an application for setting up such outlets, we will Purchase of Rigs from Foreign CompanIes consider it, provided it is recommended by by ONGC Rajasthan Government also, so that you may not be able to say tomorrow that they 903. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: are also selling coal in black-market and SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: making money and entangle us in such a difficult situation. In order to avoid such a Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND situation, the recommendation of the Raj- NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: asthan Government is essential. (a) whether orders for supply of thirteen SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS: Mr. oil rigs have bogged down: Speaker, Sir, the han. Minister has stated that the recommendation of the Rajasthan (b) if so, the reasons thereof; Government is essential. But if Rajasthan Government is not willing to grant permis- (c) the reasons for neglecting the Indian sion due to some or the other reason, then suppliers; and what will happen? (d) the steps taken or proposed to be MR. SPEAKER: Then you may taken by Government in this regard? recommend ...... THE MIN1STER OF STATE OF THE SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS: I will do it. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- 7 Oral Answers MAY 5,1987 Oral Answers 8

RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN know whether the Government have THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI examined their capability and, if so, what BRAHMA DUn): (a) to (d). No, Sir. The are the steps taken to encourage these ~nder has been kept in abeyance as cer- indigenous companies and joint ventures? tain proposals for providing better support to indigenous compaines and joint ven- SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Sir, for this par- tures are under Governmenes ticular tender, 14 Indian bidders were consideration. there. Of course, there is foreign collaboration with all of them. Should I read these 14 [ Trans/ation ] names?

SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: Mr. MR. SPEAKER:You lay it on the Table of Speaker, Sir, may I know from the hone the House. Minister the number of oil rigs being utilized by the Department, the number out of SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Seven foreign them taken on hire as well as owned by the bidders also gave their tenders. But we feel O.N.G.C. and the hire charges paid to that enough incentive is not available in the other countries during the last three years? oil field to the service companies. We are talking to the Finance Ministry about it. As SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Mr. Speaker, Sir, soon as the things are settled, we will open at present we have about 82 rigs on shore. them. Out of which 78 rigs are our own and 4 rigs have been hired. Out of the rigs off shore, 7 SHRI. D.N. REDDY: May I know from the are our own and 13 have been hired. As Hon'ble Minister if there have been any regards payment of hire-charges to other middlemen in this transaction? countries, I want a separate notice. ( Interruptions) SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: My second question is as to how many of SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: I have yet to these are jack-up rigs and whether it is meet a middleman. economical to have both kinds of rigs and how these are useful for the new drilling MR. SPEAKER: Shri Radhakanta Digal technology? - not present;

SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Mr. Speaker, Sir, Shri Manik Sanyal - absent; in my opinion it is desirable to have both kinds of rigs. We cannot afford to purchase Shrimati Geeta Mukherjee. all the rigs at a time because heavy amount of money is involved. When we go in for SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: The train is new rigs, we do keep in mind the new tech- moving very fast, Sir. • nologyalso. MR. SPEAKER: It is 'Rajdhani'. [English] I~ In the prtcea of truck ... SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Sir, the Hon'bte Minister has stated in his reply that *906. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: certain proposals for providing better sup- SHRI BALWANT SINGH port to indigenous companies and joint RAMOOWALlA: ventures are under consideration of the Government. I would like to know from the Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Hon1lle Minister which are the indigenous pleased to state: companies which have,submitted the tenders to supply oil rigs. I would also like to (a) whether there has been an unprece- 9 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 15.1909 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10

dEUlted rise in the prices of truck tyres in months. The details of the price rise in the market recently; respect of the tyre sizes l000x20/16PR Nylon and 9OOx20/16PR Nylon ar~ given in (b) if so, the details thereof; the enclosed Statement I and II. It would be seen therefrom that the price rise is (c) whether Government had held dis- much more in the case of tyres of l000x20 cussions with the representatives of tyre size. dealers, the All India Motor Transport Con- gress and the tyre manufacturers on this (c) and (d). Government have discussed problem; and the situation with the representatives of the Tyre Manufacturers, All India Motor Trans- (d) the outcome of the discussi(~>n? . port Congress and the All India Associa- tion of State Road Transport THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Undertakings. The Manufacturers' Associ- DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- ation has been asked to rush supplies of OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- tyres of these sizes to markets where the TRY (SHRI M. ARUNA CHALAM): (a) and prices are showing an upward trend. The (b). There has been an increase in the Government are keeping a close watch on market prices of truck tyres in recent the situation. 11 Oral Answers MAY 5, 1987 Oral Answers 12

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SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: In October 1983, but did this benefit go to the. reply to my question, the Government has consumers? made a statement wherein they have admitted that between July 1986 to April SHRI M« ARUNACHALAM: I have 1987, the price of popular brand tyre already stated that the BICP dId not study l000x20/16PR Nylon has gone up by As. the conversion cost during that period. We 850 per tyre. Sir, so far as my knowledge are expecting the second report of the goes, if you take the period October '84 to BICP about the price rise effected by the April '87, into consideration, the price rise manufacturers during 1985-86. is Rs. 2,000 per tyre. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: Sir ... Is it a fact that the Bureau of Industrial Costs & Prices in its report in 1983 found MA. SPEAKER: You want to ask a third that while the input cost of tyre of the same ql;lestion. Just like the tyre manufacturers type in the minimum range increased by are you going to monopolise this ques- As. 153 but the price per tyre increased by tion? All right. As. 362, conclusively proving that the manufacturers have a big profit margin? SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: In part (b) of my question. I had asked whether Is it also a fact that the Government In the Government met the manufacturers this situation reduced the excise duty on association as also the representatives of tyre by 10% in October 1983, benefit of the tyre dealers. What steps have they which was not passed on to the taken? If they met. what were the resu Its? consumers? The Government says that they have asked the manufacturers to rush supplIes SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Sir, we had of tires of this size to the market and the asked the opinion of the BICP. The BICP Government are watching the situation have given its opinion. There is a price rise very closely. The Public Accounts Com- in the tyre. But the BICP did not study the mittee in its 43rd Report on this subject conversion cost during this period and stated: only the impact of the increase in the PrI- ces and raw materials was studied "The Committee have expressed their concern that Government Sir, as far as Madam's question I~ con- finds itself helpless In the face of cerned, we too agree that prices have manufacturers' determination to increased. We have called the Manufactur- keep prices of tyres at levels ers' Association and prices of certain varie- acceptable to them" ties started declining in the month of May. If you want, I will give you the figures. I would like to know whether the Govern- ment have rematned as helpless as ever The price of MRF l000x20 tyre was As. after the report of the Public Acconts Com- 6350 on 24.4.1987 and it has come down to mittee and are only watching the situation, Rs. 6150 on 1.5.1987. Likewise, the price of or have they taken any effective steps in MAF 9OOx20 was Rs. 5000 on 24.4.1987 this direction. and it has come down to Rs. 4975 on 1.5.1987. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRt J. VENGAL RAO): I agree with the hon. SHAIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE. What Member that there is really a price rise In is the Minister labouring for? Is ne trYing to the case of tyres. There IS scarcity also In say that the increased input cost is com- the market specieUy of heavy truck tyres. mensurate with the increased prices of In March there was a sale of 60000 tyres tyres? What is has contention? You After discussions Nith the tyre manufactu: decreased the excise duty by ten per cent in rers they have agreed to put 77000 more' 17 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 15. 1909 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18 tyres in the market In the months of May issued licence to the Road Transport Cor- and June. They have also agreed to stop poration to manufacture tyres. the export for these two months to other countries. That IS why, we hope that the MR. SPEAKER: You make them under- prices will come down and there would be stand that they have to abide by the gen- no scarcity of tyres. eral principles.

SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMDDVVA- (Interruptions) LlA: The Goa factory and few other factories have been locked out dUring the last MR. SPEAKER: He is a very effective six months. Secondly, the MInister told us man. He will take action. just now that the export IS being SUS- pended for two months. As you know, the [Translation] country is earning a sum of Rs. 50 crores from the export of tyres Is it a fact that the SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI: Mr. Speaker, scarcity of tyres is because of the reason Sir, I 'IIant to ask a simple question from that the dealers are hoardi ng the tyres? Are the hon. Minister through you and it is you taking any action against the that.. ... hoarders? MR. SPEAKEA: Do you think, they were SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: Sir, this tyre- asking knotty questions. manufacturing industry is in the hands of a four or five big monopoly houses. They are SHRI BALKAVI t3AIRAGI: They do not dictating the terms. But now the Govern- put them in a proper form. My simple ques- ment has given licences to various States tion is that in the rural areas, the tyre- for manufacturing tyres. dealers are selling bus-tyres in the black market at a premium of As. BOO. Even In the meanwhile as the hon. member cycle-tyres are being sold at a premium of mentioned, in Goa the MRF Tyres Unit is Rs. 25 to As. 30. It is not that these are not closed and in Bombay the Modi Interna- available In the country and if these are not tional is closed because of labour trouble. available, it is for you to see. It is however, very difficult to get tractor, bus or trolley The non. member mentioned about tyres in the rural areas and as such may I exports also. They are exporting As. 50 know the time by which you will be able to crores worth of tyres. They will be defer- rectify this situation after holding talks with ring exports, to the extent possible for the tyre-dealers? these two months. From July onwards, they can again export because the position [English] will be imprOVing. SHRI J. VENGAL RAD: This question :s about truck tyres and not about tractor tyres. As i said, know how to tackle SHAt BALWANT SINGH AAMOOWA- we these persons. LlA: I asked about the hoarding. MR. SPEAKER: Yeah, you know it. They ( Interruptions) must understand. SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: I told him that SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: We have given these four big business houses are control- them one month'!'; time. If they will not ling the whole market. That is why, we have come round, we will tackle them property. already issued a licence to the Govern- ment of Punjab for the manufacture of tyres. And in Andhra Pradesh we have PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Is it a 19 Ora/ Answers MAY 5.1987 Oral Answers 20 fact that according to the MODVAT MR. SPEAKER: That shows how much Scheme that you have introduced, the we protect him! value added price will be on the final product and not on the intermediate products DR. V. VENKATESH: My question is not or raw materials? If so, will you, therefore, actually this Sir. The: original copy of the treat the entire truck as the final product question is here. I want to read it out. and the tyres only as the input and avoid value added price on the lyre and put it MR. SPEAKER: Is it a by-product? only on the final truck? DR. V. VENKATESH: "Whether the SHRI J. VENGAL. RAO: I hope, not Government's attention has been drawn to including the goods and the driver also. the news item appeared in the Business Standard, Calcutta, dated: 6th April, 1987 Perspective Plan for power generation under the caption, NLC perspective plan by Neyveli Ugnite Corporation under study by the Government and if so, the facts thereof and the reaction thereto 907. DR.V. VENKATESH: Will the and what further steps being contem- Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: plated to ensure that the Neyveli Lignite Corporation Ltd. or its management does (a) whether the Neyveti Lignite Corpora- not grow with any kind of vested tion has submitted to Government a pers- interests ?" pective plan to generate 7120 M.W. power by the turn of this century; This was my original question. But without giving any notice to me, the Ministry has framed a different question and I am (b) if so, the details thereof; and not prepared to put any supplementary. For his own convenience, he has done like (c) Government's reaction thereto? this. The other day in regard to the same firm. there were lot of things said .... THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI (Interruptions) VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b): Neyveli lignite Corporation has tentatively outlined c Dr. V. VENKATESH: You also plan for further power generation capacity observed ... adclitions in the coming years. This envisages an addition of about 5000 MW to the (Interruptions) capacity already existing and under execution. MR. SPEAKER: Look here, newspaper based questions are not done like this. It is (c) The taking up of new projects would done according to the Rules. be governed by availability of resources. (InterruptIons) DR. V. VENKATESH: Mr. Speaker Sir, I am extremely sorry and I am telling thIS in DR. V. VENKATESH: Why are they deep anguish. I feel, I am helpless in this doing like this? Perhaps there is a vested House. Again and again. I have to tell the interest In this, from the Ministry side! same thing. Last time also, the same type Therefore. I am asking if there is a fish in of question had appeared. You are not able that... to protect me... ( Interruptions) SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: If it were the same question, how can it be repeated DR. V. VENKATESH: That is why I agam? wanted to ask this question. Therefore, I do 21 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22 not want to ask any supplementary at all. 1 MR. SPEAKER: Don't get agitated, let wanted to know from the Government, us have a talk. We people are here to dis- whether they are going to blacklist that cuss things. particular firm or otherwise let him go in for a House Committee probe? That is all I SHRI VASANT SATHE: Are you inter- wanted to know. Otherwise, the common- ested In making only allegations? I am wil- man's money will be wasted like this and ling to place before him or any other hon. the corruption will increase. You have to Member who wants to know any facts protect me, otherwise, I am helpless. I am relating to thiS entire matter. He can also also answerable to my people. I am also bring the party which is giving them mate- answerable to the common man ... rial. I do not mind even meeting them.

(Interruptions) DR. V. VENKA TESH: I will bring the common man from South India. MR. SPEAKER: Are you gOing to put a question? Or what are you trying to do MR. SPEAKER: Doesn't matter. now? SHRI VASANT SATHE: As regards this ( InterruptIons) KFW, which ;s the financing agency from PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Instead Germany and which has been financing of House probe, they may have Judicial these projects of Mine No. II-stage 1,2 and Commission! 3-as I said, the condition of theit financing is that the tenderer should be from SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, let this pho- Germany. bia be over now. I am really very sorry for the questioner getting so agitated. He has been repeatedly asking questions on this "All right", we said, "Okay; fine." Two subject. I can assure you and you know parties came. We appointed a German fully well that we are not responsible for consultancy agency. We took their advice. framing the question. I have not and my On their advice, whatever they said we Ministry has not changed or altered any accepted. Now, one of the parties which is question at all and we do not want to avoid naturally dissatisfied because it did not get any question. the contract, has been constantly feeding and creating a propaganda, as if some- MR. SPEAKER: I may tell you, Sir, that thing wrong or fishy has happened. even 'f you try to do, we will not allow you! I can assure you as far as we are con- SHRI VASANT SATHE: So, Sir, it is clear cerned, we are not interested in any partic- that I cannot do anything. So, his allega- ular party at all. The hon. Member can tion that my Ministry has changed the come; I am willing to place all the files before him. But I tell him: "Don't get agi- question IS not only wrong, but absolutely tated, and don't allow your shoulders to be mis-directed. What he has been saying used by any people unnecessarily, to angrily was, neIther fish nor fowl. He has malign or to create bad blood." (Inter- been making foul allegations about some ruptions) vested interests. I told him last time to come to me. Any other Member can come MR. SPEAKER: There is no question ... to me. I offered him to discuss it with me ... Dr. Venkatesh, yOlJ promised me that you would put only one question. Now you are (Interruptions) violating it, you see. (Interruptions) DR. V. VENKATESH: There is no question of that.. .. PROF MADHU DANOAVATE: Don't (Interruptions) allow that aspersion to go on record. 23 Oral Answers MAY 5,1987 Oral Answers 24

MR. SPEAKER: Which one, Sir? DR. V.VENKATESH: The same Minister in the same Government has said that this PROF. MAOHU DANDAVATE: This firm has to be black-listed. He has said it on aspersion, regarding usmg shoulder the floor of this same House. He had certi- fied that that firm was a bad firm. And the MR. SPEAKER: It IS no aspersion. Look same Minister, in the same Government is here, Dr. Venkatesh. This question where saying now that this firm is a very good public finance or public interest comes tn, firm. What is this, Sir- thiS doublEr stand- you are as good a Member as _he IS, and he ard? He met me here on the floor of this is as good a Member as you are. So, both of House... you should be concerned for the welfare of the people. And you are going to have a MR. SPEAKER: You give anything concrete dialogue and then come out with which is substantiated. Then I will put it. something. So, no problem. (InterruptIons) DR. V VENKATESH: The same Minister SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I would like to of the same Government had said that. know whether these are a part of destabili- zation. (Interruptions) SHRI VASANT SATHE: I deny this allegation altogether. I would only say that the SHAI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN hon. Member should get assistance from SINGH: Psychiatrists feel that fishing is some senior Members like Mr. Jaipal very good for the nerves. I would recom- Reddy and Mr Madhu Dandavate ... mend that the questioner and the Minister ( Interruptions) take to fishing. It would be a healthy approach and a calmer Parliament. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We cannot convert black into white. [Translation] MR. SPEAKER: I will send him to Oal- Electronic YoUng Machines lake. 910. SHRI JAGANNATH SHAI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Send both of them. PATTNAIK [English] SHRI H.B. PATIL DR. V. VENKATESH: The hon. Member IS referring to fishing. (Interruptions) Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: MR. SPEAKER: I have other questions now. (a) whether Government have experi- mented on the use of electronic voting DR. V. VENKATESH: He is refernng to machines in some recent elections; fishing. Therefore, I say Last time also, the same firm has supplied some cranes... (b) if so, the assessment made out of this experiment; MR. SPEAKER: It might be so. Now put a question, if you like. (c) whether Government propose to procure some more machines for use in the DR. V VENKA TESH : Now the same Min- country; and ister in the same Government has come out with this... (d) if so, the details regarding the plan of Government in this regard? MR. SPEAKER: Don't believe these firms also. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- 25 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26

TRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H.R. rules which need to be amended. So the BHARDWAJ): (a) No, Sir. voting machine experiment which was going on was withdrawn. Now after the (b) Does not arise. present decision of the government to go in for voting machine in the election, we (c) No such decision has been taken so are thinking in terms of amending the rele- far. vant law. But as the hon. Member pointed out that this is a package of electoral (d) Does not arise. reforms proposals, these have to be discussed with the political parties and then a SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK: Sir, if I decision will be taken. am correct, we have experience of this electronic voting machine system in a by- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Let him election in Kerala in 1982. There was a do it before Haryana election. case in the Supreme Court also- A.C. Jose vs Seven Pilai, in Parur. The hon. MR. SPEAKER: Can it be done? Supreme Court's judgement was that the use of the electronic machine in elections SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK: What was ultra vires and iII~al, under the law. is the expenditure at present per parlia- Mostly, it was based on two considera- mentary constituency with the existing vot- tions: one, the constitutional powers and ing system and what will be the position of the Election Commission; and expenditure if we introduce this electronic two, the meaning of the word 'ballot' as machine? What will be the difference allowed by the 1951 Act. So, I think it is not between the two? Has any study been correct to say that we have no experience made about its merits and demerits also ? of this system. Keeping the Supreme Now we are thinking of introducing this Court's judgement in view, the Election machine. Before that, infrastructure and Commission has also recommended suita- proper training to the voters are also ble amendment of the laws; and the Law needed? So, regarding all those measures, Ministry itself, and the Political Affairs Com- I want to know whether any decision has mittee of the Central Government have been taken or not. agreed to Introduce this system as a part of the total electoral reform. So, keeping this SHAI H.R.BHARDWAJ: So far as elec- in view, I want to know from the hon. Minis- tion expenditure on per constituency is ter whether there is any effort to change or concerned, this is not with me. But there amend the laws, and to introduce this sys- will be a lot of saving per constituency if tem in the next General Elections. the voting machines are introduced; aod this experiment has been conveyed by the SHRI H. R. BHARDWAJ: If I may refer to Section Commission. The Election Com- the question of the hon. member, the ques- missioner has summed up 14 operational tion is whether voting machine was used in and administrative advantages in the use the recent election. By 1982, I don't think, of electronic voting machine; and this will by any stretch of imagination, can be lead to a saving of several crores of rupees. recent election, because we had recent All these informations are to the advantage election now in Kerala. However, voting of using of the voting machine. machine was used in 50 polling stations in May 1982 in Kerala and 10 polUng stations SHRI S, JAIPAL REDDY: As the hone in November 1983. Thereafter, as the hon. Minister knows full well, the electoral member pointed out, the Supftme Court reforms are a continuous process. I don't took a decision in 1984. The Supreme think that this particular tt:ing need to be Court case reported in 91 AC JOse, V/s confounded witn the whole range of Seven Pilai that since this voting was not in reforms. Both the government and the accordance with the conduct of election Section Commission have expressed 27 Oral Answerb MAY 5,1987 Oral Answers 28

themselves in favour of introduction of the SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY :'You have been electronic machine. Now what is needed in offering to discuss for the last two years, the light of the Supreme Court judgement but have not come so far. is a simple amendment which can be adopted in less than an hour in this House. SHAr H.R. BHARDWAJ: Okay. With Will the Minister assure the House as to the great respect to Mr. Jaipal Reddy, I am time frame within which this amendment prepared to discuss with him when we can will be brought forward? meet.

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Am I also to SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ: I very much meet him in his Chamber? agree. So far as voting machines are con- '" cerntKj, in principle, the government has AN HON. MEMBER: Go and meet him taken a decision to introduce them before in his chamber, the next election. So far as the provision of law is concerned, I beg to differ with the SHRI SOMNATH RA TH: In principle the hon. member. You wilt not find any provI- Government has d~cided to have sions in the existing rules when you are machines for counting and voting. And in operating a voting machine, what other countries it is being adopted. So, happens to a tendered vote? If you J

SHRI S.JAIPAL REDDY: When will you SHAI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: I am discuss it? here. Sir.

SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ: You are not in a mood to discuss. MR. SPEAKER: ChanQed your seat? 29 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Oral Answers 30

Telecommunication Facilities in Rural expenditure. Similarly, 50 lines or 100 lines Areas capacity exchange can be opened if the demand at a place IS tor 23 and 46 telephone *911. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: connections respectively and revenue is 60% Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS and 70% respectively of annual recurring expenditure. be pleased to state:

(b) The present policy has proved rational (a) the existing policy to provide tele- to a great extent for the development of rural communication facilities in the rural areas', communication in the country, as it is based on spatial distribution of the telecom facility (b) how far the present policy has proved without consideration of population in an rational for the development of rural Hexagon. It provides for uniform extension of communication; telecommunication facility all over the country. (c) whether in view of the experience gained, Government propose to bring (d) This policy has been reviewed from time about changes in the existing policy to to time and the latest revision has been car- make it more rational to achieve the objec- ried out in the month of April, 1987. According tive; and to which it has been decided as under: (d) if so, the details thereof? (i) All long distance public telephones shall work for a minimum of 8 hours. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (ii) For opening of 9, 25, 50 and 100 lines (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a), (b) eXChanges, the condition for minimum and (d). A Statement is given .below. revenue has been removed and now these exchanges can be opened on the basis of (c) Yes, Sir. minimum demand as indicated in para (a) (ii) above. STATEMENT SHRr ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: Mr. (a) (i) The Department of Tetecommunl- the cations normally prOVides telecommunica- Speaker, Sir, overall policy is very tion faCilities, wherever they are financially good and sounds rational. The hon. Mini- viable. This condition has been relaxed In ister has mentioned in' his statement that case of rural, backward, tribal and hilly areas. "the Department of Telecommunications For this purpose department has been contin- normally provides telecommunication uously liberalizing the policy of providing facilities, wherever they are financially via- public telephones on fully subsidized baSIS in ble. This condition has been relaxed in rural areas. Having covered Tehsil, Sub Tehsil case of rural, backward, tribal and hilly and Block headquarters it has oeen decided areas. For this purpose department has to provide a public telephone within 5 K.M. of been continuously liberalising the policy every village in next few years. For this pur- of providing public telephones on fully pose it is planned to provide a public tele- subsidized basis in rural areas." phone on fully subsidised basis, at one principal village In every mhablted geogra- phical area bounded by a hexagon of 5 km. sides. As far as my expenence is concemed, after being elected as an M.P., whenever I (ii) For private telephone connections, a have submitted a proposal for consi- small telephone exchange of 9 lines or 25 deration of opening of a in my lines can be opened at a place If there is a pea demand of 5 and 10 telephone connections constituency in the rural and tribal areas, I respectively and revenue is 35% and 40% always get a reply in the negative, saying respectively of anticipated annual recurring that the proposal is not remunerative, or 31 Oral Answer~ MAY 5,1987 Oral Answers 32 the proposal is not financially viable or the Seventh Five Year Plan. But we are giving proposal is not coming under the five consideration to the block level headquar- kilometre hexagon, this is the general ters, tehsil headquarters and revenue vil- reply. The policy is very good, I do not lages. The consideration of population is know whether all the other public. repre- also there. sentatives get such replies. For hilly and tribal areas the consideration of population is 2500 and for other MR. SPEAKER: Put the question. areas it is 5000. If the han. Member has got such an experience after the change of thiS SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: I want policy, I think, he can write to us again and to know in this connection whether there is we will be able to help him in certain areas. any information or not, as to how many proposals have been received since 1985 SHAI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: For throughout the country, received from the consideration of any proposal will the rural areas and proposals sent by public Department see the map sitting in the representatives and how many have been chamber and reject or accept the proposal rejected, whether your are monitoring the or will they go to the field and see whether rejected proposals, if not whether you have that particular place is viable, economical any proposal to monitor them. or remunerative or according to the norms of hexagon? MR. SPEAKER: Will you put the question? SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: This hexagon has been created after taking a SHRt ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: I also thorough study in the field. If there is any would like to know what is the criteria for suggestion that this limit of hexagon considering the proposals, whether you should be changed it is not realistic, we will only look at the map sitting in the are in a situation to change it. The hone department or whether the officers go to Member can write to us. I can also show the villages and the hilly areas and see for him the hexagon which has been decided themselves. for the State of Orissa. He is most welcome to see me. SHAI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: As I SHAI ASUTOSH LAW: At the outset, have stated in my answer, the policy has been changed only very recently. Pre- may I congratulate the Communication viously the consideration was profit earn- Minister for substantially improving the tel- ing factor. Now for tribal, rural and village ephone system in Calcutta? From our areas that particular revenue earning fac- experience we find that electronic system tor has been deleted and the necessity of is very good and by introducing electronic the area has been given the utmost priority. system in the telephones most of the telephone system is improving. What positive steps have been taken by the Department SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: About to introduce electronic system in rural the rural areas, I am asking, whether you areas because till now communication IS have subsidised or not. very bad and hardly we have any etectron- ics exchange in rural areas? Has the SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV: I am Government any positive plan to introduce telling you. The whole country has been electronic: exchanges in rural areas; if so divided into 50,280 hexagons; we have got when? 25,856 PeOs in the country, and our target in the Seventh Plan is 10,000. There will be SHRI SONTOSt-i MOHAN OEV: Most of a backlog of about 31,

has given licences to various firms to pro- SHRI BHAORESWAR TANTI: I have writ- duce smaller electronic exchanges. C- ten to him .... Oot as well as ITI are now at a situation where they have prototype production of electronic small exchanges for rural MR SPEAKER: You get in touch with areas. Once it is found viable, it will be him. Do not Interrupt. gradually given to rural areas, because our aim is to give electronic exchanges in rural SHRI SyeO SHAHABUDOIN: Mr. areas also. But at the moment, we are not Speaker, Sir, we are very familiar with the in a position to give electronic exchanges functioning and performance of the tele- to rural areas though for smaller towns we phone system in urban areas and we can have imported some electronics only imagine how bad it is or it can be in the exchanges and we are providing them rural areas. in my experience, the rural tel- there. ephones are mostly out of order for six months or months at a stretch. So, my simple question is that the maintenance facili- SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: The tele- ties being what they are, what is the communication system in the country is average period for which an average rural bad and it is worse in Assam. In my consti- line remains out of order? tuency, Kaliabor, and Gauhati if you go there you will find that the telephone is there but it does not work. I doubt whether SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV: Sir I am the telephone of the han. Minister who not supposed to believe the hon. Member. belongs to the state of Assam, is working in If one Single Member writes ten letters a Assam. For the last 20 years, there is no day and if he has any experience for about new post office opened In my consti- six months. I am sure, with this position he tuency. I have written a number of letters to will not leave me alone. Let him give any the hon. Minister. But always I got the stock particular instance and I will look into repjy that the matter is under considera- that. In the rural areas where continuous tion. Whenever we write to the Minister, he electricity failures are there, it may be that always says they will examine it orthe mat- certain particular exchanges may be out of ter is under consideration. order for certain period. Recently in U.P. we have installed one exchange but the MR SP~KER: Put the question. whole Village's electricity has been cut down because of too much of pilferage. SHRI BHADRESWAA TANTI: May So, we are not in a position to do anything. know from the hon. Minister who is also We have installed battery system there. So from Assam as to what steps he will take to such cases may be there. As regards the improve the communication system in failures, I think the amount of the bills the Assam and particularly in my constituency hon. Member is getting from the Depart- Kaliabor and Gauhat;? What steps have ment, itself proves that our department is been taken to open new post offices in my not working as bad as he is saying. Most of the Members can go through their bills and constituency in Kaliabor? from there they can see our performance.

SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: This is a Payment of Rent by Oil Companies for question about rural exchanges and not Sites Allotted In Chandigarh concerned with post offices. I will request the hon. Member to go through his mail. As *913. SHAI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: regards Assam I have written to all the Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND Members of Parliament. He should go NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: through his mait and write back to me if he has got any suggestion. (a) whether it is a fact that three major oil 35 Oral Answers MAY 5,1987 Oral Answers 36

companies have not been paying any rent years or ten years. After that period is over, for the past ten years for the sites allotted they are not at all vacating the land to the to them to sell petroleum products in the owner. I have already drawn the attention Union Territory of Chandigarh; and of the Minister by means of a written communication. Even when Shrimati Sushila (b) if so, the reasons therefor? Rohtagi was in charge of Petroloeum, I had drawn the attention of that Minister and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE she had replied satisfactorily. But I have MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND not received any communication from the NATURAL GAS AND MINISTER OF hon. Minister for the last two months. My STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE question is that if a private person enters (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) No, Sir. into an agreement with the Government, then automatically after the lapse of the (b) Does not arise to view of reply to (a) period of agreement, he has to vacate the above. premises. If he is not vacating, then automatically the Government is taking the law in their own hands and with the help of the SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: Sir, police, they are getting the premises may I know from the hon. Minister that the vacated. But none of the oil companies is sites in possession of the oil companies vacating the land even after the period is for the sale of petroleum products are on over. So, I would like to know whether the leasehold basis or on ownership basis, and Minister will come forward to advise the oil if on leasehold basis, how much amount companies to vacate the sites after the they have paid? lease period is over.

SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Sir, they are on leasehold basis. toe has got six, HPC has SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Sir, there are two got seven and BPC has got four. There was types of cases. When the vacant land is an arrangement for a certain amount of taken on lease, the oil companies make rent to be paid up to 1.1.1976 and then later certain investments over there and those on it was enhanced. investments go waste if the site is changed. As regards the houses and other types of SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: Sir, in property, they are protected sometimes by view of the reply given by the hon. Minister, the Rent Control Act. But we have advised may I know whether the Government them to examine each case on merits sym- would consider the desirability of having pathetically and when there is a genuine their own land for the sale of petroleum need, they should vacate it. products on a permanent basis?

SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Sir, it will Complllln" about Telephone Billing In depend on the cost of the land and the BIIngaIore investment required. But. of course, if it is available on reasonable terms, we will defi- *914. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYEA: Will the nitely consider it. We are talking to the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Chandigarh Administration about the rent pleased to state: and about other things. (a) the number of complaints received SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Sir, as far as about wrong or excess telephone billing in the oil companies are concerned, they are Bangalore during 1986; all quasi-govemment corporations and more 80, they are autonomous also. The oil (b) the number of ~ where It was companies are taking the vacant sites on pt'OWd to be wrong or excess billing lease agreement for a certain period-five established ; 37 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Oral Answers 38

(c) the reasons for excess or wrong bil- SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV: There ling; and is no excess billing. But the fact remains that in Bangalore itself about 4,22.639 bills (d) the action taken against those were sent to the subscribers. Out of those. responsible for excess or wrong billing? complaints have been received from 2793 subscribers and if you calculate the per- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE centage it works out to 0.66. This is the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS correct figure. If you want an all-India fig- (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV) : (a) The ure, I can give that. In 1985-86, about number of complaints received about 1,05,90,084 bills were computed and the wrong or excess billing in Bangalore dur- complaints received were 87,089. While I ing the year 1986 is 3033. appreciate that in certain cases, there might be some mistakes, we always give (b) and (c). There was no case of wrong benefit of doubt to the subscriber. You billing. However, in 429 cases of com- have referred to the suggestion given by plaints. benefit of doubt was given in Prof. Madhu Dandavate. From myexpe- favour of the subscribers and rebates were rience, after coming to this Ministry, I have allowed. seen that Members of Parliament are utilising their telephones and the bills are being (d) Does not arise as none was found sent to them. Most of them are complain- responsible. ing about the excess billing. The hone Speaker can only help by increasing the limit of your free calls. So far as we are concerned, both myself and my cabinet SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER: Sir, in Ban- Minister-since there is a demand of eve- galore. the telephone billing is compute- rybody we are looking into it and some rised. After its computerisation, the decisions will be taken very situation has become worse. To quote one soon .... ( Interruptions) instance, in my own case, for a particular month, I got a Bill for Rs. 30,000. I was PROF. MADHU DANOAVATE: To shocked to know the huge amount. Cer- increase the free calls, you are also tainly I did not know what to do. I con- increasing the rate: which we have to pay. tacted the authorities. They told me that it \Nhat is the use of it? (Interruptions) was not their mistake but it was the mistake of the computer. Then they came to know SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV; Sir, I, that the bill concerned was of a Parliament have personally monitored certain Member. Then they coolly withdrew that Numbers of some important Members and bill. That is not the only instance. Even I find that In their residences, almost every before that in another case, there was a minute, their telephone is busy. What you wrong billing. Excess billing is a regular are saying is-you will not claim it. I am feature. Even if it is locked, the meter will giVing you the service, but you will not show the reading. Many other Hon. claim it Memt)ers had also complained about this. Prof. Madhu Dandavate had also com- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, he is plained about it the other day. I would like tapping our telephones and our privacy is to know from the hone Minister whether the lost. Government will come out with a fool- proof method by which unnecessary tax- ing of the subscribers could be avoided at SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER: Will the hon. all cost. Top priority should be given to this Minister kindly see that there is manual matter. What steps are the Government check after the bills are computerised? The going to take to see that excess billing is bills, after received from computer, should completely eliminated? not be sent automatically to the subscrib- 39 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 40 era. There should be some manual check (a) the criteria adopted to allot Govern- also. So. should there not be physical veri- ment accommodation to the officers/em- fication before the bill is sent to the subs- ployees working in Posts and criber? Will the Government give Telecommunications Departments; and instructions to the Accounts Department to see that all the bills are also checked (b) whether certain percentage of quar- manually before they are sent to the subs- ters have been reserved for the persons cribers every time? belonging to Scheduled Castes and Sche- duled Tribes for allotment and if so, the . SHAI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: It is & procedure adopted in the allotment of good suggestion for consideration. houses to persons belonging to these categories? MR. SPEAKER: Question no. 915-Shri KUflwar Ram. Absent. Question No. 917- Shri Krishna Rao. Absent. Question No. THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 918-Shri Srikanta Datta Narasimharaja TIONS (SHRI ARJUN SINGH): (a) The Wadiyar. Absent. allotment of government accommodation to the indiVidual employees in each pay Question Hour is over. group in the departments of Posts and Tel- ecommunications is regulated with refer- WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ence to the priority date. which in the case of employees entitled for allotment of [English] accommodation in Types I to IV, IS the date identity cards to electors of contanuous service Le. the date of JOin- ing the Central Government and in respect *901. SHAt R.M. BHOVE: Will the Minis- of employees entitled to accommodation ter of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to in Type V and above, is the stage of pay state: entitling allotment of such type of accommodation. The applications for allotment (a) whether Government have taken of quarters are called for once a year and decision for issuing identity cards in favour waiting list prepared for each type of of electors for voting purposes; and 3ccommodation and allotment is made according to the turn of the employees, as (b) if so. the steps taken so far to imple- and when vacancies occur in the course of ment the decision? the year. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE SHRI (b) Yes, Sir. Reservations in the matter of H.R. BHARDWAJ: (a) and (b). A scheme allotment of Government accommoda- of issuing photo-identity cards to voters tions to the Scheduled CastesfTribes had been introduced by the Election Com- employees exists on percentage basis in mission. for elections in Sikkim. Nagaland respect of Types I to IV quarters. The and a few constituencies in the State of procedure followed in this regard is that Meghalaya. No decision has been taken so each year applications for allotment of far to extend the scheme further. quarters are called for from the eligible [Translation] staff and waiting lists prepared for each type of accommodation separately en AIotment of AccommOdation to respect of Scheduled Castes/Tribes candi- Employees of Posta and Telecommuni- dates. The actual allotment of quarter is cationS DepMments made in the course of the year in accordance with percentage of reservation so *902. SHAI R.P. SUMAN: Will the Mints- specified. The vacancies of staff quarters ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to under the reserve quota are shared by state; Scheduled Castes/Tribes employees on the 41 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 42 waiting list in the ratio of 2:1 out of 10% THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE reservation for Type I and Type II Quarters MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- and 5% for Type III and Type IV Quarters. LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) and (b). A representation was made to the Government regarding the poor quality of [English] foodgrains supplied to the tea garden workers. The matter was investigated and Profit eamad by Maruti Udyog Ltd. it was found that the foodgrains supplied conformed to the limits prescribed in the "904. SHRI RAOHAKANTA DIGAL: Prevention of Food Adultei ation Aules. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pieased to state: [Translation J

(a) whether the Maruti Udyog Limited Target of Production of Sugar in Sev- has been earning profit since 1983-84; and enth Plan

(b) if so, profit earned by Marut! Udyog *908. SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: Will Limited dunng the last three years, year- the MInister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- wise? U ES be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. (a) the target fixed for production of VENGAL RAO). (a) Yes, Sir. sugar dunng the Seventh Plan;

(b) Profit earned by Maruti Udyog Ltd. (b) whether thiS target Will be achieved. during each of the lastthreefinancial years under the new sugar policy; and is as under:- (c) If not, the steps being taken by Government to achieve this target? Year Profit (Rs. in crore) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1984-85 0.90 MINISTRY' OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- LIES (SHI-1I GHULAM NABI AZAD). (a) In 1985-86 3.00 the Seventh Plan document a production target of 102 lakh tonnes of sugar for 1986-87 7.05 (Provisional) 1989-90 IS envisaged.

(b) and (c). Vanous measures envisaged in the New Sugar Policy would help In the Supply of Wheat and Rice to Tea development of sugarcane cultivation as GardenWorkers - well as Increase sugar production. These measures should enable the achievement *905. SHRI MANIK SANYAL: Wilt the of the sugar production target. Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pteased to state: [English}

(a) whether Government have received Commemorative Stamp on Rural Poor any representation regarding quality pf rice and wheat being supplied by the Food *909. SHRI PARASRAM BHAADINAJ: Corporation of India for consumption by Will the Minister of COMMUNICA nONS tea garden workers; and be pleased to state:

(b) if so, the details thereof and the (a) whether Government brought out a action taken in the matter? commemorative stamp on rural poor for 43 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 44 dedicating his life for the cause of the inter-connectecJ grid operations, improv- country including eradication of commu- ing training facilities, and closer inter- nalism and untouchability; and action between R&D institutions and State Electricity Boards, etc. (b) if so, the details thereof? (b) Im·provements in the automation and THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- instrumentation of power plants is a con- TIONS (SHRI ARJUN SINGH): (a) and tinuing process and the recommendations (b). While no commemorative stamp on of the Symposium in this regard have been rural poor as such has been issued, the noted. Department of Posts, has however, since independence, commemorated a number [Translation) of iIIustratious personalities, who dedi- cated their entire lives for the upliftment of UtIlisation of Power Generation C8pacity the rural poor, including eradication of In Bihar communalism and untouchability, like Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, *915. SHRI KUNWAR RAM: Will the Indira Gandhi, Acharya Vinoba Bhave, Dr. Minister of ENERG Y be pleased to state: B.R. Ambedkar, E. V. Ramasami, Jay~pra kash Narayan, Kamraj, etc. Several (a) the extent to which power generation themes, which are relevant to the uplift- capacity of various power plants in Bihar ment of the rural poor have also been has been utilised during 1986-87; depicted on Indian postage stamps, like Charkha, Panchayati Raj, Centenary of the (b) whether this was less or more than Postcard, etc. The theme of the 6th Defini- the national average; tive Series of Indian Postage Stamps was' Agriculture and Rural Development. (c) the steps being taken for maximum utilisation of their capacity; international Sympoelum on Automation (d) whether Bihar State Electricity Board and Insbumentatlon for Power PI.,. will be able to mObilise adequate resources to increase power generation in Bihar; and *912. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHV: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (e) the losses suffered by the Bihar State Electricity Board in 1986-87? (a) the recommendations made by the International Symposium on Automation THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- and Instrumentation for Power Plants held ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHAI in Bangalore on 15 December, 1986; and VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b). DUring 1986-87 the Plant Load Factor of thermal (b) the action proposed to be taken stations in Bihar was 33.3% as compared thereon? with the all-India average 53.2"10. The capacity utilisation of hydro stations THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- mainly depends on their reservoir levels. ISTER OF STeEL AND MINES (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) The main recom- (c) and (d). The measures taken for max- mendations made at the Symposium relate imum utilisation of existing thermal capa- to introduction of computer based tech- city include implementation of a renovation niques in power stations. the need for and modernisation programme, early sta- strengthening transmission systems and bilisation of newly commissioned units. reducing T & 0 losses, strengthening of training of power station personnel. load despatch facilities, introduction of improved supply of coal. spare parts and modern load management techniques, implementation of modern techniques of 45 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 48 operation and maintenance of plant and Central Industrial Security Force equipment. Bihar State Electricity Board is personnel; making efforts to mobilise the resources necessary to increase power generation ir, (iii) Cancellation of licences of pri- the State. vate coal depots within a radius of 8 kms by the district authorities; (e) The commercial losses of Bihar State Electricity Board during 1986-87 are provi- (iv) Stricter regulation of supply of sionally estimated at about As. 147 crores. domestic coal to consumers;

(v) Departmentalisation of internal Scheme to develop Coal Resources transport of coal/coke from pitheads to railway sidings. *917. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have taken steps to develop coal resources in the Setting up of Power Project at Yel. country; hanka near Bangalore

(b) if so, whether any long term scheme *918. SHRI SRIKANTA DAnA NARA- has been drawn up; SIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (C) if so, the cost of the programme as projected; and (a) whether Union Government have finally cleared the proposal to set up a (d) the details of the steps taken by power project based on natural gas at YeIa- Government to check pilferage of coal? hanka near Bangalore;

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- (b) the basis on which decision has been ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI taken about the supply of equipment; and VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. Medium and long term plans have been (c) the expected time of the commence- drawn up for development of coal resour- ment of the project work? ces in the country. As per these projec- tions, annual coal production will increase THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- from the present level of 165.79 m. t. to 226 ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI m. tonnes, 325 m. tonnes and 417 m. VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b). Approval in tonnes by the end of Seventh, Eighth and principle has been accorded to Govern- Ninth Five Year Plan periods respectively. ment of Yelahanka's proposal to set up a An allocation of Rs. 6700.58 crores (includ- 120 M.W. gas turbine plant at Yelahanka ing Rs. 120 crores for R&D) has been based on liquid petroleum fuel, subject made in the approved Seventh Five Year inter alia to the conditions that the capital Plan. cost of the generating sets would be borne by the Karnataka ElectriCity Board, and if (d) Some of the steps taken to check the plant is permitted to be imported, inter- pilferage of coal are:- national competitive bidding procedure would be followed based on free foreign (i) Carrying out surprise checks; exchange.

(ii) Detection through flying squads (c) It ;s expected that the State Bectricity consisting of Police, watch and Board will commence work on the project ward staff of Coal companies and by December, t987. 47 Written Answers MAY S. 1987 Written Answers 48

Establishment of Central HoepItIII at earlier surveye~ by Central Warehousing Talcher Coaifielda Corporation and if so, the reasons thereof: and *919. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (d) the reasons for the public sector state: organisations preferring storage in private warehouses to warehouses of Central (a) whether Unton Government propose Warehousing Corporation/State Ware- to establish a hospital at ralcher Coal- housing Corporations? fields; and

(b) if so, the time by which It IS likely to be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE set up? MrNISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- and (b). The State Warehousing Corpora- ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHAI tions (SWCs) usually adopt the storage VASANT SATHE); (a) Yes, Sir. The hospI- rates as fixed by the Central Warehousing tal will be established at Talcher by the Corporation (CWC); these may not, how- South Eastern Coalfields Ltd., the Govern- ever, be always comparable. A comparison ment coal company operating In this area, With storage rates charged by private ware- and not by the Union Government. houses is not possible as reliable data are not available. (b) The State Government has yet not delivered the possession of land to the coat (c) The information is not available with company though the latter has depoSited cwe. full amount of compensation with the State Government. The company has planned to (d) KeepIng in view that over 80% of the commence the cIvil construction work of ewe's warehousing capacity is utilised by the hospital by February, 1988 provided the public sector and cooperative organi- the land has become available in the mean- sations, it cannot be said that the public time. Phase I of the hOSPital, consisting of sector organisations prefer to store their 100 beds, IS expected to commence func- wares In private warehouses. Information tioning from December, 1989. Phase II of on this aspect is not readily available about the hospital, consisting of another 150 SWCs. beds, should start functiOning from February/March, 1991. Import of Canallaed Items of Drugs Higher Storage Charges 01 Central Warehousing Corporation 8947 SHRI SIDHA LAL MURMU: Will the MInister of INDUSTRY be pleased to 8946. SHRI M. MAHALINGAM: Will the state: Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state: (a) the names of canahsed items of drugs for which his Ministry has recom- (a) whether storage charges of Central mended issue of no obiection letters dur- Warehousing Corporation are higher than ing the last two years till date; those of State Warehousing CorporatIon and private warehouses; (b) the quantity and value allowed for import under Open General Licence by the (b) If so, the reasons therefor, canalisenQ agency during the last two years, year-wise; 8!"ld (c) whether it IS a fact that private warehouses have come into existence In places (c) what was the price f,xed for these 49 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 50

items and what was the landed cost of 5. Streptomycin Calcium Chloride import allowed under no objection letters? Complex

THE MINIS TER OF S TATE IN THE 6. Aspirin DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY 7. Calcium Cyanamide OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANURA SINGH) (a) The canaltsed Items of drugs 1986-87 for which the MInistry has recommended Issue of NOCs dunng the last two years are 1. Vitamin A Water Miscible Powder as follows 2 Mendadione Sodium Bisulphate 1985-86 IP (Vlt K)

1. Diethylene Dlamlne 3. Calcium Cyanamide

2.- Vitamin A Acetate Pharma (0.5 MZU 19) (b) The quantity and value allowed for 3. Vitamin A Acetate Non-Pharma Import under OGL through canalising agency dUring the last two years was as 4. Vitamin A Alcohol follows.-

S. Items Qty. (MT) elF value No. (As. Lakhs) 1, 2 3 4

1985-86 1. ChloroqUine 70, DOO 181.97 Phosphate

2. 6-APA 134 305 1074.28

3. Dapsone 18 000 34.46

4. Vitamin A 18200 59.63

5. Methyl Dopa 15000 129.49

6. Streptomycin Sulphate

255.505 1479.75

1986-87

1. Chloroqume N,' Phosphate

Nil 2. 6-APA 29.000 71.03 3. Dapsone 51 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 52

1 2 3 4

4. Methyl Dopa Nil

5. Vitamin A 28.000 112.94

6. Streptomycin 12.000 42.38 Sulphate

69,000 226.35

(c) The Pooled pnces per Kg. fixed by imponea during the last two years 1985-86 Govt. for distribution of drug items and 1986-87 are as follows:-

S. Items Pooled prices No. per Kg.

1. 6-APA As. 1230/- t,II 4.3.86 As. 1778/- from 5.3.86

2. ChloroqUine As. 510/- till 4.3.86 Phosphate As. 544/- from 5.3.86

3. Vitamin A Palmitate (1.0. MIU/gm)

Pharma/Non- As. 716/- till 11.4.85 Phar0l8 As. 990.95 from 12.4.85

4. Vitamin A Palmitate (1.7 MIU/gm) Rs. 1267.80 till 11.4.85 Pharma/Non-pharma As. 1735.14 from 12.4.85

5. Vitamin A Acetate (0.5 MIU/gm) As. 365/- till 11.4.85 PharmalNon-pharma As. 648.93 from 12.4.85

6. Dapsone As. 280/- till date

7. Methyl Dopa As. 1835. 13 from 23.3.85 till 12. 1.86 Rs. 2148 from 13.1.86

8. Streptomycin RS.B47.43 till 16.4.86 Rs. 1147. from 17.4.86

The landed costs of Imports made under NCOs are not available as· imports were arranged by AUs a.rectly. 53 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 54

Use of Foreign Trade Mart 'Cross' for Discrimination by Indian atl Corporation Internal Sales Against Women

8948. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: 8949. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: SHRI ANANDA PATHAK: SHRI C. MADHAVA REDOI:

Will the MinIster of INDUSTRY be pleased Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND to state: NATURAL GAS be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Foreign Trade Mark (a) whether Indian Oil Corporation 'Cross' for pens is being used for interna- (IOC) discriminates against its women tional sales; employees In regard to medical reimbursement and travel concession for dependent (b) whether Government have approved parents; and the Registered Users Agreement of Mis Chandra Industries for the use of this trade (b) if so, the reasons therefor? mark; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) if not, what action Government pro- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- pose to take against the manufacturers; RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN and THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHAI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) There is no discrimi- (d) when do the Government propose to nation against women employees in IOC bring legislation against the use of foreign as regard medical reimbursement. How- trade marks for internal sales? ever, in respect of L Te, one DiVision of the Corporation has separate provisions.

(b) The reasons for discrepancy in the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE matter of LTC are historical ones. This DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- matter is already under discussion with the OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- recognised trade unions of the concerned TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM). (a) Yes, DiviSion in JOC with a view to bringing Sir. about uniformity.

(b) and (c). Under the Trade and Mer- Telephone Connections to Handicapped chandise Marks Act, trade marks could be used without registration. Under the For- 8950. SHRIMATI MADHUREE SINGH: eign Exchange Regulation Act, permission Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS of the Reserve Bank of India for use of be pleased to state: foreign trade marks on Internal sales ,s required If such use Involves direct or Indi- (a) the number of handicapped persons rect conSIderation. who had applied for telephone connections in Delhi; Mis. Chandra Industries have not fIled any application with the Registrar of Trade (b) how many of them have been given Marks, Bombay for regIstration as Regis- connections; and tered User in respect of the trade mark ·Cross'. (c) by what time the Jist is likely to be completed?

(d) The issue of regulating the use of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE foreign trade marks on Internal sales IS MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS engaging the attention of the Government. (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) to 55 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 58

(c). There IS no separate category for han- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dicapped person for applYing for tele- DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- phone connection Hence number of ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHAIMA n SUSHILA handicapped persons who had applied for ROHTAGI) (a) to (C) In the first meeting telephone connections cannot be of the Working Group on Industnal Coop- ascertained eration of the Indo-EEC JOint CommiSSion held on 25-26 March 1987 In New Deihl, It Inquiry by MRTP Commission into the was agreed that India and the European Growth of Monopolistic Tendencies of Community would cooperate an getting Newspapers energy audits done for small and medium industries The proposal envisages uSing 8951 SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN buses eqUipoed With measuring instru- SINHA W'" the MInister of INDUSTRY be ments to mOnitor energy usage In Indus- pleased to state tnal Units A detailed proposal IS, however, yet to be received (a) whether the MRTP Commission propose to enqUire IOto the recent growth of Alterations in National Industrial Policy monopolistiC tendencies In the Press, the multiplication of editions of the same 8953 SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- newspaper chainS and their Impact on the CHANDRAN growth of small and mP,(flum newspapers, KUMARI MAMA TA BANERJEE and Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state (b) If not, the reasons thereof? (a) whether Government propose to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE make any alternations In the National DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- Industrial Policy and OPMENT IN THE ,~INISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRI M ARUNACHALAM) (a) and (b) If so, the details thereof? (b). At present, there IS no such proposal before the MRTP Commission THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- Acquisition of Energy Buses from Euro- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- pean Economic Community TRY (SHAI M ARUNACHALAM) (a) The Industnal Policy Resolution, 1956 con- 8952 DR B L SHAILE~H Will the Min- tinues to prOVide the baSIC fral nework of Ister of ENERGY be pleased to state the Government s Industnal Polley

(a) whether It IS proposed to acquire (b) Does not anse Energy buses from the European Eco- nomic Community (EEL..) WhiCh would be losses on Account of Replacement of eqUipped WIth necessary Instruments to Equipments by State Electricity Boards undertake energy audIt and suggest conservation measures to Industrial Units 8954 DR A K PATEL Will the MInister both In the medium and small-scale of ENERG Y be pleased to state sectors, (a) the losses suffered by State Electri- (b) at so, the number of buses propo~ed cIty Boards on account of replacement of to be Imported and the capItal outlay worn-out, burnt or damaged transformers, Involved. and sWltch-geats and transmiSSion lines, State/Union Territory-wise, and (C) the manner tn which the buses INtll be deployed and where? (b) the percentage thiS expenditure 57 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15. 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 58

bears to the total annual expenditure on power generation? SINo Name of the company 8 Mis Roche Products THE MINISTER OF STA TE: IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- 9 MIs E Merck (India) Ltd ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMA TI SUSHILA ROHTAGI) (a) and (b) The information IS being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House STATEMENT-II

Companies manufacturing Bulk Drugs Mis Abbott Laboratones (I) Pvt Ltd

8955 SHRt AMARSINH RATHAWA 2 MIs Albert DaVid Ltd Will the MIOIster of INDUSTRY be pleased to state 3 Mis AlembIC Chemicals liVorks Co Ltd (a) the names of the multinational companies which are engaged In the manufac- 4 Mis Alta Laboratones ture of bulk drugs and Pvt Ltd

5 Mis ASlsh Capsules (P) Ltd (b) the names of the indigenous companies which are manufactUring bulk 6 Mis Amartara Industries drugs? Pvt Ltd

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 7 MIS AmrutanJan Ltd DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETROCHEMtCALS tN THE MtNISTRY 8 Mis Andhra Sugars Ltd OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R K JAICHANDRA 9 MIS Anglo-French Drug Co SINGH) (a) and (b) The names of FERA l Eastern) Ltd compaOles who are engaged In the manu- 10M s AnI' Starch Products facture of bulk drugs are given In the State- Lta ment I Similar details of Indian compantes, which are operating In the 11 "v1/S ASian Chemical Works organesed sector to the extent available, are given In the Statement-II 12 MIS ASSOCiated Capsules Pvt Ltd STATEMENT-I 13 Mis Atul Products Ltd

51 Name of the company 14 Mis Baropharm Chemicals No Ltd & ChemIcal Industnes M s Bayer (IndIa) Ltd 15 Mis Bengal Chemicals & 2 MIs Johnson & Johnson India Ltd pharmaceuticals ltd

3 MIs CyanamId IndIa Ltd 16 MIS Bengal Immuntty Ltd

4 Mis IGL Ltd 17 Mis Bhartla Agro Industries Foundation 5 Mis Pfizer Ltd 18 MIs Biochemical & SynthetiC 6 MIs Sandoz (I ndla) Ltd Products Ltd

7 MIS Wyeth LaboratOries Ltd 19 MIs Biological E Ltd 59 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written An.we,. 60

20. Mis. Boehringer-Knoll Ltd. 43. MIs. East India Pharmaceuti- cal Works Ltd. 21. Mis. Boots (India) Ltd. 44. MIs. Ely's Chemical Labs. 22. MIs. Burroughs WeUcome & Pvt. Ltd. Co. (I) Pvt. Ltd. 45. Mis. Euphenc Pharmaceutical 23. MIs. BEC Chemicals Pvt. Ltd. pvt. Ltd. 24. MIs. Bommldila Bros. Ltd. 46. MIs. Fairdeal Corporation Pvt. Ltd. 25. Mis. Chandra Pharmaceuticals 47. Mis. Gehkeps Pvt. Ltd. 26. Mis. Cafflnel Organic and Pharmaceuticals ltd. 48. Mis. GUjarat Synthetic Drugs Ltd. 27. MIs. Cadila Chemicals Pvt. Ltd. 49. Mis. Gharda Chemicals Pvt. Ltd. 28. MIs. Calcutta Chemicals Co. Ltd. 50 Mis. Geoffrey Manners & Company Ltd. 29. MIs. capsulation Services Pyt. ltd. 51. Mis. Glaxo Laboratories (India) Ltd. 30. Mis. Chemicals Industrial & Pharmaceutical Labs. Ltd. 52. MIs. German Remedies Ltd.

31. MIs. Chemo Pharma Lab. Ltd. 53. MIs. Haffkme Blo-Pharmaceutlcal Corporation Ltd. 32. Mis. Chowgule & Co. (Hindi) Pyt. Ltd. 54. MIs. Hamdard (vVakf) Labora- tones Pvt. Ltd. 33. Mis. CalCIUm India (Pvt.) Ltd. 55. Mis. Halchem Ltd. 34. MIs. Hindustan Ciba Geigy of India Ltd. 56. Mis. Hlco Products Ltd.

57. Mis Hnemath Chemicals 35. MIs. Cibatul Ltd. Ltd. 36. Mis. Curewell (India) Ltd. 58. Mis. H.I. Gandhi 37. Mis. Dabur (Or. S. K. Burman) 59. Mis. Hlndustan Antibiotics Pvt. Ltd. Ltd. 38. Mis. D.P. Patel (USA) Indl. 60. Mis. Hoechst India Ltd. Bureau (A GOYt. of (:Jujarat Organisation) 61. Mis. Hand Chemical Ltd. 39. Mis. Dey's Medical Stores (P) Ltd. 62. Mis. H.M.M. Ltd.

40. MIs. De-Se-Chem Ltd. 63. MIs. Hyderabad Chemicals at 41. MIs. Dentsh Chem lab. Pharmaceuticals Works Ltd. Pvt. Ltd. 64. Mis. Hyderabed Bottling 42. Mis. Duphar 'ntertran Ltd. Co. Pvt. Ltd. 61 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 82

65. MIs. Indian Drugs & Pharma- 86. MIs. Malladi Drugs & Phar- ceuticals Ltd, Synthetic maceuticals Ltd. Drugs Project 87. MIs. Mac-Gay Ravindra 66. MIs. Indian Drugs & Pharma- Labs. (I) Ltd. ceutlcals Antibiotics Project 88. MIs. Maharashtra Antiniotis 67. Mis. Indian Drugs & Pharma- and Pharmaceuticals ltd. ceutlcals Ltd. 89. Mis. Meghalaya Phytechemicals 68. Mis. Indian Health Institute Ltd. & Laboratory Ltd. SO. Mis. Mehta Pharmaceuticals 69. MIs. Indian Pharma Caps Pvt. Ltd. and Chemicals Pvt. Ltd. 91. MIs. Astra-IDL ltd. 70. Mis. Komwell Pvt Ltd 92. MIs. Miles India Ltd. 71. Mis Indo Pharma Pharma- ceuticals Works Pvt Ltd. 93. Mis. Munirabad Chemicals Co. Ltd. 72. Mis Jain Kahawala Che- micals (P) Ltd. 94. Mis MotrOnt Drugs (P) Ltd. 73. Mis. J.L. Monson, Son & Jones (I) Ltd. 95. Mis. Norurkar Laboratories 74. Mis. J L. Monson, Son & (P) Ltd. Jones (I) Ltd., Bombay. 96. MIs. Nila Products 75. Mis. Jayant Vitamins Ltd. 97. Mis. Now Drugs (India) Ltd. 76 Mis. JagatJlt Industries Ltd. 98. Mis. INFAR (I) Ltd.

77. Mis Jaycee Drugs & Pharma 99. Mis Oriental Pharmaceuticals (P) Ltd. Industnes Ltd.

78. Mis Korala State Drugs & Pharma- 100. MIs Parke Davis (I) Ltd. ceutlcals Ltd. 101. MIs. Parte Products (P) Ltd. 79. MIs. Kher Surgical & Allied Products (P) Ltd. 102. MIs. Pefco Foundary & Chemicals Ltd. eo. MIs. Kothan Plantation Industries Ltd. 103. MIs. Ptatewell Process and Chemicals ltd.

81. MIs. laboratones Vitor (I) 104. M/s. Punjab State Industrial Pvt. Ltd. Development Corporation Ltd.

82. MIs. Lyphin Chemicals lOS. Mis. P/rimidine Pharma Ltd.

83. Mis. Lavino Kapur (P) Ltd. 106. Mis. Ptlarmaceutical Capsules Laboratories. 84. Mis. Mac Laboratories (P) Ltd. 107. M/s. Orient Pharma Pvt. Ltd.

85. MIa. May & Baker (I' Ltd. 108. Mis. Pioneer Laboratories 63 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 64

109. M/s. Premier Drugs Co. Ltd. 131. M/s. Smith, Kline &. French (India) Ltd. 110. M/s. Ramaraju Surgical Cotton Mills Ltd. 132. M/s. Eskayef Ltd.

111. M/s. A.A. Sikaria 133. M/s. Shards Chemicals Pvt. Ltd. 112. M/s. Renbaxy Laboratories Ltd., Punjab. 134. M/s. Standard Organics Ltd.

113. MIs. Ranbaxy Laboratories 135. M/s. Standard Pharmaceutical Ltd , New Deihl. Ltd.

114. M/s. Rallis India Ltd 136. M/s. S.J. Goel, Bombay. (Bombay) Pharmaceuticals Division 137. 1'.,1/5. Standard Products Mfg. Co., Hyderabad. 115. M/s. Rallis India Ltd .. West Bengal. 138. M/s. Swastika Textile Mills Ltd. 116. Mis. Rallis India Ltd., Madras. 139. Mis. Sanghi Chemicals (Prop. Sanghi Motors 117. Mis. Raptakes Brett & Co. Bombay) Ltd. Pvt. Ltd., Bombay. 140. M/s. S.G. Chemicals & 118. Mis. Raptakes, Brett & Co. Pharmaceuticals Pvt. Ltd., Madras. 141. MIs. Suneeta Laboratories 119. Mis. Reckltt & Colman of (P) Ltd. India Ltd. 142. MIs. Suoil Synchem Ltd. 120. M/s. Richardson Hindustan Ltd. 143. M/s. Synbiotics Ltd.

121. MIs. Raola Chemicals Industnes 144. Mis. Tamil Nadu Dadha (India) Ltd. Pharmaceuticals Ltd.

122. M/s. Roussel Pharmaceuticals 145 MIs. Themis Pharmaceuticals (India) Ltd. 146. MIs Thereputlc Pharmaceutl- 123. M/s. Santhozyme Labs. cals Ltd.

124. M/s. Sarabhai Chemicals 147 MIs. Themis Chemicals Ltd .. Bombay. 125. Mis. SarabhaJ M. Chemicals 148 MIs. Themis Orgasyn Chemicals 126. Mis. Searle (India) Ltd. Ltd.

127. M/s. Sudha Drugs & Chemicals 149. MIs. Umchem Labs. Pvt. (India) Ltd. Ltd., Ghaziabad.

128. M/s. Shri Jai OrganiCS Ltd. 150. M/s. Unichem Labs. Pvt. Ltd., Bombay. 129. M/s. Shri Rajpal Singh Kochhar 151. M/s. Unil()ids Ltd.

130. MIs. Sonal Pharmaceuticals 152. M/s. Unique Chemicals Ltd. 85 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) . Written Answers 66

153. Mis. Uni-Sankyo Ltd. ApplIcations for Telephone Connections In Kanpur 154. Mis. Uni-UCB (I) Pvt. Ltd. 8957. 8HAI ATISH CHANDRA SINHA: 155. M/s. V.G. Upadhya Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: 156. M/s. Venkateswara Hatche- ries (P) Ltd. (a) whether a large number of applica- 157. M/s. Wander Ltd. tions for telephone connections under category "S8" have been pending with the 158. M/s. Warner Hindustan Ltd. Kanpur Telephone for a long time;

159. Mis. Zandu Pharmaceuticals (b) If so, the reasons thereof; Works Ltd. (c) the number of such applications 160. Govt. Opium & Alk Works, pending with the authorities as on 31 Ghazipur. March, 1987; and 161. Mis. Government Quinine Factory Cinchona (d) the steps proposed to hquidate the Department, Madras. list?

162. MIs. Government Quinine THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Factory, West Bengal. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) No, Sir. Take ov.. of Management of Paper Mills (b) Does not anse in view of reply to part (a) above. 8956. SHAI HAAIHAR SOREN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (c) NIL (a) whether Government have a pro- (d) Does not arise In view of reply to part posal to take over the management of (c) above. some paper mills; I.. tallation of MAX-II Exchanges in HiD (b) if so, which are the paper mills pro- Areas posed to be taken over; 8958. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- (c) the reasons why Government pro- SHAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- pose to take over the management of these TIONS be pleased to state: paper mills; and (a) whether it is proposed to install M~X (d) the steps taken 10 that direction? II exchanges at the TehsiI/Sub-div;s;onal headquarters In hili areas during the ~v THE MINISTER OF STATE IN enth Five Year Ptan penod; and THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF (b) If so, the names of the places in Him- INDUSTRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): achal Pradesh and other hill States which (a) There is no proposal at present to tak~ have been selected for thiS purpose during over any paper mill under the Industries the years 1987-88, 1988-89 and 1989-90? (Development & Regulation) Act. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) and (d). Do not arise. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 67 Written AnswefS • MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 88

(SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV); (a) No, ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to Sir. There is no such proposal of installing- state: MAX-II Exchanges in all Tehsil Sub- divisional Headquarters dUring the 7th (a) whether Gove. ,ment have taken any Five Year Plan. steps for the development of Chirayinkil telphone exchange in Kerala; and (b) Not applicable in view of (a) above. (b) if so, the details thereof? Introduction of Speed Poet Service THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 8959. SHRI S. PALAKONDRA YUDU: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) Yes, Sir. be pleased to state: (b) 90 line capacity exchange at Chi- (a) whether there is any proposal to rayinkil is planned to be upgraded to 200 introduce the Speed Post Service from Tir- line Capacity exchange during the 7th Five upati Visakhapatnam, Vijayawada and Year Plan. Rajahmundry to New Delhi: Publication of Particular. of the (b) if so, the details thereof: and Employee. In Annual Reporta of CompanIes (c) if not, the reasons therefor? 8961. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS to refer to the reply given to Unstarred (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) and Question No. 4423 on 2nd December, 1986 (b). There is no proposal to introduce regarding publication of particulars of the Speed Post Service from Tirupati, Vijaya- employees in Annual Reports of compan- wada and Rajahmundry to New Delhi. There ies and state: was a proposal to introduce Speed Post Service from Visakhapatnam, but the same (a) whether Government have any pr~ was not implemented because of opera- posal to forbid close printing of the stat~ tional problems. ment showing employees drawing annual salary of more than Rs. 36000/- in the (c) The reasons for non-introduction of Annual Aepons;and the Service from Visakhapatnam has been explained as above. Reasons for non- (b) if not. the reasons therefor? introduction of the Service from Tirupati, Vijayawada and Rajahmundry are as following; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- A principal requirement for the introduc- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- tion of this Service is the availability of air TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and services with suitable arrival/departure (b). There is no such proposal. timings vis-a-vis despatch and receipt of mail. The proposed service from Tirupati, [ Trans/ation] Vijayawada and Rajahmundry to New Delhi does not fuHiI thia'requirement. Party"''' candida... In eIecIIanI to West Bengal, KenIIa Md JaK Development 01 ChInIytnkII Telephal.. Aaem.,... ExcIwIge In KenIIII 8962. SHRI VIJOY KUMAR YAOAV: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be 8960: SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Minis- pleased to state: 89 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 70

(a) whether elections to Legislative by Govemment holding election in these Assemblies of West Bengal, Kerala and State!!; and Jammu and Kashmir were held in March, 1987; (f) the total security amount forfeited in each State, party-wise?

(b) if so, the party-wise number of candi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dates who contested elections in each MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI state as also the number of independent H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) Yes, Sir.. candidates among them; (b) and (c). A Statement containing the (c) the party-wise position of the win- requisite information is given below. ning candidates in each State; (d) to (f). The requisite information is (d) the details of the candidates in each being collected by the Election Commis- State who lose their security deposits; sion and will be laid on the Table of the House when made available by the (e) the State-wise expenditure incurred Commission. STATEMENT

General Elections to Legislative Assemblies 1987

Party-wise Number of Candidates who contested and Won the Elections

Name of Party J&K Kerala West Bengal

Contested Elected Contested Elected Contested Elected

2 3 4 5 6 7

1. INC 29 24 74 33 294 40

2. ICS (SCS) 2 14 6 4

3. JNP 11 12 7 30

4. BJP 28 2 105 85

5. lKD 10 2 lB

6. CPt 6 25 16 12 11

7. CPM 3 67 36 213 187

8. RSP 23 18

9. FBL 34 26

10. JKN 44 39

11. JPP 23

12. JKP 22 71 Written AnswfI."'S MAY 5,1987 Written Answe" 72

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

13. MUL 23 15 36 1

14. KEC 14 5

15. SUC 45 2

16. INO 332 8 896 19 731 9

TOTAL *510 *73 "'232 **138 1497 294 Poll was countermanded in 47-Bhadarwah (SC) assembly constituency and poll was postponed in 43-Leh and 44-Kargil assembly constituencies (Snowbound areas). The above figures are exclusive of the figures for these three constituencies.

Poll was countermanded in 9O-Kottayam and 130 Vamanapuram assemb!y constituencies. The figures mentioned above are exclusive of the figures of two constituencies where the poll was countermanded.

Note: The expansion of the abbreviations of the Names of Parties given in Column I abovtJ are attached. Names & Abbreviations of Political Parties 51. Name of Political Party AbbreViation No.

1. Indian National Congress INC 2. Indian Congress (Socialist Sarat Chandra Sanha) ICS (SCS) 3. Janata Party JNP 4. Bhartiya Janata Party BJP 5. Lok Oal LKD

6. Communist Party of India CPI 7. Communist Party of India (Marxist) CPM

8. Revolutionary Socialist Party RSP

9. All India Forward Bloc FBL

10. Jammu & Kashmir National Conference JKN

11. Jammu & Kashmir Panthers Party JPP

12. Jammu & Kashmir Peoples Conference JKP

13. Muslim League MUL

14. Ken"'Con~ KEC

15. Socialist Unity Centre of India SUC 16. Independents INO 73 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

[English] Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state:

Supply of Natural Ga. to Rice Mills in (a) the average demand and supply posi- Anethra Pradesh tion of electricity in the country from Janu- ary, 1985 to January, 1987 State/Union 8963. SHRI A.J.V.B. MAHESWARA territory-wise; and RAO: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: (b) the details of the steps taken to Improve the situation, State/Union (a) whether there is a proposal to supply territory-wise? natural gas to rice mills in East Godavari and West Godavari districts in Andhra Pra- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE desh;and DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHAIMATI SUSHILA (b) if so, the details thereof? ROHTAGI): (a). The required information is given in the Statement given below. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- (b) In order to improve the power avai- RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN lability, various steps have been taken THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHAI which include expediting commissioning BRAHMA DUTI): (a) No, Sir. of new capacity, better utilisation of existing capacity, implementing short gestation (b) Does not arise. projects, reducing transmission and distribution losses, implementation of energy Demand and Supply PosItIon of Electricity conservation and demand management measures and arranging transfer of energy 8964. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: Will the from surplus to deficit states. STATEMENT Power Supply Position from JanuarY,1985 to January, 1987 (All figures in (MU) net

Region/State System ReqUirement Availability Shortage Percentage

1 2 3 4 5

Northern Region

Chandigarh 795 758 37 4.7

Delhi 10789 10776 13 0.1

Haryana 11963 9417 2546 21.3

Himachal Pradesh 1720 1712 8 0.5

Jammu & Kashmir 3827 3234 593 15.5

Punjab incl. NFF 22532 20919 1613 7.2

Rajasthan 15718 14233 1485 1.4

Utta, Pradesh 38673 33384 5289 13.7

Total: 106017 94433 11584 10.0 75 Written AnswefB MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 78

1 2 3 4 5 Weat.rn Region

Gujarat 30863 30064 799 2.6

M.P. 24523 24508 15 0.1

Maharashtra incl. Goa 56160 54001 2159 3.8

Total: 111546 108573 2913 2.1

Southern Region

Andhra Pradesh 29242 29242

Kamataka 26483 20321 6162 23.3

Kerala 11090 10664 426 3.8

Tamil Nadu 31794 28674 3120 9.6

Total: 98609 88901 9708 9.8

Ea.fern Region

Bihar 9479 6776 2703 28.5

D.V.C. 14068 12110 1958 13.9

Orissa 12033 9451 2582 21.5

West Bengal 16164 14971 1193 7.4

Total: 51744 43308 8436 16.3

North East.rn Region

Total: 3789 3594 195 5.1

ALL-INDIA 371705 338809 32896 8.9

".... Md TIIICGmmunlcatlon Sentces In telecommunication and postal services in A8umMd,...... Assam and Nagaland;

8965. SHRI CHINGWANG KONYAK: (b) if so, the details thereof; and Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (c) the plans to improve postal and tele- (a) whether Government have taken any com services in Oibrugarh and Dimapur measures to improve the performance of during 1987-881 77 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Ana ...,.. 78

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Ministry of Finance, additional post MINISTRY OF COM~UNICATIONS offices may be opened in these areas. The (SHAI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) Yes, position in this respect is likely to be clear Sir. within the next 2 to 3 months.

(b) Telecom:

1. A Task Force under the charge of a General Manager has been set up. 8966. SHRI SYEO SHAHABUODIN: Will 2. Administrative Units have been orga- the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- nised, strengthened and upgraded in LIES be pleased to state: Assam and Nagaland. (a) the names of essential items of mass consumption which are being marketed 3. MonitOring of Telecom Services in through Public Distribution System; North East has been introduced.

(b) the of each marketed in 4. Priority allotment of equipment and quantity item the country in 1985-86 through PubliC Dis- induction of new technology have been tribution System outle1s; and done.

Postal: (c) the quantity of each item mameted in 1985-88 per capita? Speed service has been introduced trom Guwahati with effect from 15.11.1986. A THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Departmental mail motor service has been MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- introduced between Kohima and Dimapur LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) for speedy transmission of mail. The Central Govemment supplies seven essential commodities viz., wheat, rice, (c) Telecom: levy sugar, soft coke, controlled cloth, kerosene and imported edible oils to the Action Plan has been drawn to improve States/UTs for distribution through Public quality of service. Distribution System outtets. Besides, the States/UTs are tree to include in their Pub- lic Distribution System other commodities Postal: for which they make their own arrangements for procurema1t and distribution. An assessment is being carried out in Dibrugarh and Dimapur areas as well as (b) A Statement is given below. other areas in North Eastern Circle to ascertain the number of post offices justi- (c) Scale and criteria of distribution of fied as per the prescribed norms. Depend- these commodities are determined by ing upon the results of the survey and the StateslUTs and, therefore, differ from State! extent of approval that may be granted by UT to StatelUT. STATEMENT

Quantity lifted by the States/UTs/despatched Commodity by the Government during the year 1985-86

6105.2 thousands metriC tonnes 1. Rice 3648.4 -do- 2. Wheat 79 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 80

3. Kerosene 5634.3 -do-

4 Imported edible oils 538.7 -do-

5. Coal 16.77 Thousand tonnes

6. Controlled cloth:

(a) Cotton Cloth 262.530 Million sq. metres

(b) Polyester cotton ble 8.170 Million metres ed shirting

7. I Levy Sugar:

In addition to the commodities, during the year 1985-86, 3.13 lakh tonnes of levy sugar per month were allotted to various States/UTs for distribution under the PubliC Distribution System. An additional monthly levy quota of 50,~0 tonnes was allotted for festivals dUring the year 1985- 86 In the months of June, August, September, October, November 1985

Waiting list for Telephone Connections ister of ENERGY be pleased to state: from Chanakyapurt Telephone Exchange, Delhi (a) the number of thermal power plants 8967. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: cleared, State-wise by Union Government Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS during the last three years and the details be pleased to state: of the capacity generation, amount investment, plant-wise; (a) the number of people waiting for telephone connections from Chanakyapuri (b) whether all the plants are in public sector; and telephone exchange Delhi; and

(b)the time by which connections will be (C) the number of thermal and gas based given to them? power plants out of the plants referred to in part (a) above with coal and gas require- ·ment of each? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE number of people waiting for telephone DEPARTMENT ( )F POWER IN THE MIN- connections from Chanakyapuri Tele- ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHI LA phone Exchange as on 1.4.1987 is 6347 ROHTAGI): (a) to (c). The information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (b) There is no capacity in the Chana- kyapuri exchange to give more connections now. A new Digital EJectronic ISlue of lJcencea for Wholesale Dealer- Exchange of 20,000 lines is proposed to be ship In Sugar installed by 1990-91 and the connections would be given thereafter 8969. SHRI ZAINAL ABEDIN: Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state. a_ranee to Thermal Power Plants 8968. CH. RAM PRAKASH: Will the Min- (a) whether it ;s a fact that the order 81 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 82 imposing ban on issuing licence for whole- rations and construction of sale dealership in sugar under public Dis- godowns. tribution System has been withdrawn; 2. Assistance to States for purchase (b) if so, the details thereof; and of mobile vans.

(c) if not, the reasons theretor? 3. Assistance to States/UTs in the North-Eastern Region for supply THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR FOOD of iodised salt and levy sugar in AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI GHULAM smail packs. NABI AZAO): (a) to (c). The restriction on issue of new wholesale dealers lincence to During 1986-87, a sum of As. 125.32 trade in sugar, which was imposed in lakhs was sanctioned to various States August, 1985 in the wake of a spurt in sugar under these schemes. prices in the open market, as one of the steps to check speculative actiVities of the traders, has not yet been withdrawn. The At present seven essential commodities present sugar position, though better as viz., wheat, rice, sugar, imported edible compared to that prevailing in July, 1985, oils, kerosene, soft coke and controlled is still not comfortable enough to justify the cloth are procured and supplied to States withdrawal of the regulatory steps taken by by the Central Government for distribution the Government. Difficulties, if any, through the Public Distribution System. pointed out by the State Governments in Besides, the States/UTs are free to include smooth operation of the Public Distribu- in their public distribution system, other tion System on account of this restriction, commodities for which they will have to were satisfactorily resolved. make their own arrangements for its procurement and distribution, in order to make more commodities of mass con- AIsIstance to states for streng thenlng sumption available to the consumers and Public Distribution System to help in improving the economic viability of fair price shops. 8970. SHRIMATI N.P. JHANSI LAKSHMI: Witt the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state the financial and other assistance being given financial ...-..nee for development of to the States to strengthen the Public Dis- Consumer CoopendI... In Sllddm tribution System so as to bring more items of essential commodities under its fold? 8971. SHRIMATI O.K. BHANDARI: Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE LIES be pfeased to state: MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): The (a) whether it is a fact that Govemment Union Department of Civil Supplies is pro- provide financial assistance to different viding financial assistance to States to States for development of Consumer strengthen the public distribution system Cooperatives under Central Sector and under the following schemes: Centrally Sponsored Schem~;

1. Assistance to States/UTs in the (b) if so, the total amount eannarked for North-Eastem Region and the Sikk,m during 1986-87 for Centrally Sp0n- States/UTs of Himachal Pradesh, sored and Central Sector Schemes; and Jammu & Kashmir, Sikkim and Andaman & Nicobar Islands for (c) the total amount proposed to be ear- setting up Civil Supplies Corpo- marked during 1987-88 and 1988-89? 83 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 84

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE commodities viz., wheat, rice, sugar, MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- imported edible oi'. kerosene. soft coke LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) and controlled cloth to all States/UTs, Yes, Sir. Government of India provides including Delhi, for distribution to the con- financial assistance to the State Govern- sumers under the scneme of Public Distri- ment/U. T. Administrations under the Cen- bution System. trally Sponsored Schemes for development of consumer cooperatives in (c) and (d). Does not arise. urban and rural areas. Petrol Pumps In West DeIhl (b) The financial assistance under the Schemes is provided to the State Govern- 8973. DR. GOLAM YAZDANI: Will the ment/U.Ts on the basis of specific project Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL proposals received from them and accord- GAS be pleased to state: ingly no State-wise allocations are made. No proposals have been received from the (a) whether there is no petrol pump Government of Sikkim for financial assist- beyond Tilak Nagar on Najafgarh road in ance during 1986-87. West Delhi causing a lot of inconvenience to hundreds of motorists in Janakpuri, (c) The Government of India would con- Vikaspuri and Uttam Nagar; and sider the proposals from the Government of Sikkim for financial assistance to the (b) if so, the steps proposed to be taken consumer cooperatives under the Cen- to allot a petrol pump site in the up-coming trally Sponsored Scheme as and when district centre of Janakpuri to serve the such proposals are received. affected areas?

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Supply of essential commodities under MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- Public Distribution System RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 8972. SHRI NITYANANDA MISRA: Will BRAHMA DUTI): (a) and (b). Presently. the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- three petrol/diesel retail outlets at Najaf- LIES be pleased to state: garh, one at Janakpuri and one at Jail Road In the Union Territory of Delhi are (a) whether seven items of essential meeting the requirements of the motoring commodities are being distributed in Delhi public in the area. With a view to meeting under the Public Distribution System; the Increasing needs for the products, the oi I industry has proposals to establish a (b) whether equal number of items are petrol/diesel retail outlet each at Janakpuri being supplied in all States and Union terri- and Vikaspuri in Delhi. Further action is tories under the Public Distribution dependent upon suitable sites being allot- System; ted by the Delhi Development Authority.

(c) if not, the reasons therefor; and Pending ApplIcations tor LPG Connection (d) the steps being taken to introduce all and Gas Agencies in Kottayam District of the items in States/Union territories? Kerala

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 8974. SHAI SUAESH KURUP: Will the MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) GAS be pleased to state: and (b). Yes Sir. The Central Government ;s already supplying certain key essential (a) the number of applications pending 85 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 88

with Government for LPG connections an power station in Ranipet in North Aroot the Kottayam district of Kerala; District of Tamil Nadu;

(b) the number of gas agencies function- (b) whether the Tamil Nadu Government ing in the district; has proposed the setting up of the plant tnrough private sector; and (c) whether Government intend to sanction more gas agencies in the district; and (c) if so, action taken in this regard and if not, the reasons therefor? (d) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHILA RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN ROHTAGI): (a) No, Sir. THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI BRAHMA DUTI): (a) On March 1, 1987 (b) and (c). Do not arise. approximately 1,260 applications for release of LPG connections were pending Production capacity of Polyester FII. in Kottayam District. ment Yarn Manufacturing Units

(b) There are ten LPG distributorships 8976. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Will the functioning in the District. Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state:

(c) and (d). Yes, Sir, The oil industry has (a) whether it is a fact that during 1977- plans to open 6 more distributorships in 78 Government permitted polyester Fila- Kottayam District. The details are given as menty Yarn manufacturers to produce in under' excess of thei r licensed capacity, if it resulted out of shift from finer denier base LocatIon yarn to thicker demer yarn; 1. Changanacherry (b) If so," the licensed capacity of such 2. Kottayam units at that time and their actual produc- 3. Valkom tion durinp three years thereafter, and 4. Pampady 5. Erumeli (c) the present licensed capacity of 6. Puthupalty Polyester Filament Yarn manufacturing units and their actual production during Setting up of 1hennal Power Station in the last three Years? Ranipet, Tamil Nadu THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 8975. SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM: Will DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to PETROCHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY state: OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether the Tamil Nadu Government has sent a proposal to set up thermal (b) The Information is given below: 87 Written Answers MAY 5.1987 Written Answers 88

S. Name of the company Licensed Production (Approx) No. capacity toonesl 1978 1979 1980 annum

2 3 4 5 6

1. MIs Baroda Rayon Corporation Limited 576 690 650 580

2. MIs. Garwara Nylons Limited 576 470 410 600

3. MIs. J.K. Synthetics Ltd. 960 1,000 1,180 1,430 4. Mis. Modipon Limited 576 440 800 850

5. MIs. Nirlon Synthetic Fibres & Chemicals Limited 922 1,080 1,120 1,310

6. M/s. Shree Synthetics Limited 360 460 520 610

S. Name of the company Licensed Production (Approx) No. capacity tonnes/ 1984 1985 1986 annum

1 2 3 4 5 6

1. MIs. Garware Nylons Ltd 3.500 2,010 1,830 1,860

2. MIs. J.K. Synthetics Ltd. 6,960 2,490 5,670 7,700

7. MIs. Nirlon Synthetic Fibres & Chemicals Ltd. 2,655 2,450 2,850 4,380

4. MIs. Modipon Limited 1,723 3,460 3,650 3,220

5. MIs. Shree Synthetics Limited 2,056 1,900 3,630 3,460

6. M/s. Baroda Rayon Corpn. Limited 1.777 1,450 1,560 1,880

7. Mis. Petrofils Co-operative Limited 9,000 8,180 7,940 8,500

8. MIs. Century Enka ltd. 6,540 6,100 6,230 7,010

9. MIs. Orkay Silk Mills Limited 6,000 6,110 8,450 9.443 89 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 90

1 2 3 4 5 6

10. MIs. Reliance Industries Limited 25 ~25 20,040 23,760 30,000

11. Mis. Indian Organic Chemicals Limited 3,500

Consumption Md Req&airement of Elec- ,a} 36 Lok Adalats were held in the State tricity In Bihar of GUJarat from 1.1.86 to 5.4.87 and 410 Lok Adalats were neld in other States -and 8977. DA. G.S. RAJHANS: Will the Minis- Union TerritOries ter of ENERGY be pleased to state: (b) During the aforesaid period 5862 (a) the present consumption and cases were settled at the Lok Adalats in requirement of electricity in Bihar; and Gujarat and 356325 cases settled in Lok Adalats in other States including the Union (b) the total electricity generated in Territories. Bihar during 1986-87? Stopping of Production of MEG by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Inclan Petrochemicals Corporation DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- Umited and NatIonal Organic ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHAIMATI SUSHILA Chemical Inm-trtes Umlted ROHTAGI):(a) The energy requirement in Bihar during March, 1987 was 457 million 8979. SHAI H.N. NANJE GOWDA: units against which the availability was 34(}- SHAt S.M. GURADDI: million units. Will the Minister of INDl:JSTRY be (b) The total energy generated in Bihar pleased to state: during 1986-87 was 3680 million units. (a) whether both Indian Petrochemicals Lok Adelats In Gujarat Corporation Limited and National Organic Chemical Industries Limited have stopped 8978. SHAIMATI PATEL AAMABEN the production of MEG; AAMJIBHAI MAVANI: SHRI BANWARI LAL (b) if so. the reasons thereof; and PUROHIT: (c) action proposed to be taken in the Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE matter? be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the number of Lok-Adalats held dur- DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND ing 1st January, 1986 to 20th April, 1987 in PETROCHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY Gujarat and other State: and OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b). No Sir. Only Indian (b) the number of cases settled? Petrochemicals Corporation Limited Plant is under planned shut down for THE MtNISTER OF STATE IN THE around three weeks. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): According to the infor- (c) No action is considered necessary as mation furnished by the Committee for such shut downs for maintenance. etc. are Implementing Legal Aid Schemes; a normal feature. 91 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 92

Incident of Theft In .,.,..1 Court mills forwarded by the State Government will be examined in accordance with the 8980. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Will the guidelines announced by the Central Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased Government for licensing new sugar facto- to state: ries during the Seventh Five Year Plan. As per the policy announced recently, the (a) whether recently there was an inci- Cooperative Sector would be accorded dent of theft or cash and attached property first priority for granting licences followed in one of the Court buildings of Judicial by Public Sector.Applications from private Magistrate 1st class, in Panaj;; Individual entrepreneurs are accorded last priority. (b) if so, the details of cash and property stolen; and Use of English in State Leglalatuntl

(c) the action taken or proposed to be 8982. SHRI RAM DHAN: Will the Minis- taken in this regard? ter of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to s.tate: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHAI (a) whether many Legislatures of States H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) Yes, Sir. have not enacted laws for continuing use of English as required under Article 210 (2) (b) The value of the property and cash of the Constitution; and stolen is As. 11.045.57. (b) if so, the names of the Legislatures (c) A complaint had been lodged with which have not passed such a law so far? the Police and the case is being investigated. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHAI SettIng up of New Sugar MlIII H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) and (b). The information will be collected from the State 8981. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Minister Go"arnm~nts and the same will be laid on of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be the Table of the House. pleased to state: Supply of Foodgralns In Tribal ...... (a) whether there are any guidelines regarding issue of licences for setting up 8983. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: Will new sugar mills to those private individuals the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- who are already having sugar mills; LI ES be pleased to state:

(b) if so, the details thereof; and (a) the per capita supply of foodgrains in tribal areas through Public Distribution (c) whether new applications are to be System; preferred for setting up sugar mills? (b) whether it is sufficient to meet their THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE requirement; and MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) (c) if not, how the full requirement of the No. Sir. tribal people is proposed to be met?

(b) In view of the above, question does THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE not arise. MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- LIES (SHAI GHULAM NABI AZAO): (8) (c) Applications for setting up new sugar and (b). The Public Distribution System in 93 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 94

various States/Union Territories, including Contracts by Neyvell Ugn'" CoqxnIIan the tribal areas, is administered by the concerned State Governments/Union Territo- 8985. SHRI M. V. CHANDRASEK- ries. The scale of issues to the consumers HARA MURTHY: is also determined by them. SHRI V. SREENIVASA -PRASAD: (c) The supplies under the Public Distri- bution System are supplemental in Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased character. to lay a statement showing:

(a) whether the Neyveli Lignite Corpora- Setting up of special courts for Tax Eva- tion has not yet finalised the terms and con- sion cases In Stat.. ditions of contracts in a way to protect its own interests properly against the defec- 8984. SHRIMATI 8ASAVARAJES- tive supplies both from the domestic and WARI: foreign suppliers; SHRI H.N. NANJE GOWDA: (h) the number of contract concluded Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE with the various parties by the Neyveli lig- be pleased to state: nite Corporation for which the letters of Intent were issued in 1986 and 1987; (a) whether setting up of special courts for speedy trial of tax evasion cases in (c) the details of their terms and con- States has been recommended by the ditions; and Union Government; (d) the steps taken to check up the past (b) if so, whether any directive in this performances of the contractors? regard has been issued to the State Governments; THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI (c) the number of State Governments VASANT SA THE): (a) NLC has been stipu- that have accepted the proposal; and latIng ne~essary terms and conditions in contracts to protect its. interests ade- (d) the number of States that have so far quately against defective supplies from established such special courts? domestic and foreign suppliers.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The total number of detailed letters of MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI Intent issued in 1986 and 1987 for major H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) and (bl. The Law packages are as under:- Commission in their 47th Report recommended the establishment of Special 1986 - 17 (Seventeen) Courts for the effective and speedy prose- 1987 - 11 (Eleven). cution of ecomomic offences. Subse- quently, the State Governments were (c) The detailed letters of intent contain requested to earmark some existing courts clauses dealing with the percentage of or to set up additional courts for exclu- payments to be made at various stages for sively dealing with economic offences different porti~ns of the contract, delivery covered under the twelve specified Central periods, warranty periods, performance Acts including the Income Tax Act, 1961. tests etc.

(c) and (d). So. far, Special Courts have (d). NLC prescribes prequalification been set up in 10 States and one Union requirements in notices inviting tenders Territory. and calls for reference lists from.suppliers 95 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Writt,n Answ,rs 96 about the past supplies, such evaluation matic telephone system will be made avail- with plant visits wherever necessary in able in Haridwar and Deoband? association with consultants help the assessment of performance. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Loans for Construction of Kolaghat (SHAI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) No, Thennal Power Plant Units at Sir. Midnapore (West Bengal) (b) Does not arise in view of reply at (a) 8986. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA: Will above. the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (c) Automatic telephone exchange at Haridwar is planned to be commissioned (a) whether any efforts have been made during 1991-92. to secure loans for the construction of units IV, V and VI of Kolaghat Thermal Automatic telephone exchange is Power Plant at Midnapore, West Bengal; already existing at Deoband. and

(b) if so, the outcome thereof? Direct Telephonerrelex Unk between Baroda-HaloI_ Baroda-Ankaleswar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and Ahmedabad-Surendranagar DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHILA 8988. SHRI AANJITSINGH GAEKWAO: ROHTAGI): (a) and (b). The term lending Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS institutions, including the Industrial Devel- be pleasea to state: opment Bank of india, and a consortium of Banks led by the State Bank of India have (a) whether Government are aware that agreed, as a speical case, to provide a loan telephone facility available within the assistance of As. 232 crores to finance a radius of 40 to 80 K.M. from the main indus- part of the project cost of the Kolaghat trialised cities like Baroda and Ahmedabad Thermal Power Plant (Phase-II) being to the suburban industrial complexes is executed by the West Bengal Power Deve- inadequate and direct telephone/telex link lopment Corporation. between these centres is needed; and

(b) if so, the steps taken to provide direct [Translation] telephone/telex link between Baroda- Halol, Baroda-Ankaleswar and AutomaIIc Telephone Exchange System Ahmedabad-Surendranagar? In HaItdwar and Deoband

8987. SHRJ RAM SINGH: Will the Minis- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS state: (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) wf1ether the building is ready for shifting the Automatic Telephone (b) (i) 3 channel and 8 channel carrier Exchange in Rool1

(iii) 12 MHz coaxial system is provided (a) whether the Department of Teleco,!,- between Ahmedabad and Surendera- munlcatlons has exceeded its target In sev- nagar. eral areas including commissioning of new (iv) Telex facilities are available at Bar- lines and connections during 1986; oda, Ankleswar, Surenderanagar. The telex exchange at Terol serves Halol also. A (b) if so, the total target set and to what 20 line telex exchange at Halol is planned extent It was achieved; and for commissioning by 3(}-&1987. (c) the likely Improvements to be made (v) In addition, 2.6 MHz coaxial system is In 1987-88? planned between Baroda and Halol.

(iv) Ankleshwar is planned to be a Spur THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE route on Ahmedabad-Bombay optical MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS fibre link. (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) Yes. Sir. The Department has exceeded its Target for Commissioning of New Unes target in some of the areas including com- and Connections missioning of new Imes and in giving new connections during the financial year 8989. SHRI S.M. GURADDI: 1986-87. SHRI H.N. NANJE GOWDA: (b) and (c). The statement of aChieve- Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- ment in 1986-87 and target for 87-88 is TIONS be pleased to state: given in the Statement given below.

STATEMENT

1986-87 1987-88 Item Target Achieve- Percen- Target ment tage of target

2 3 4 5

DEVELOPMENT 1. Commissioning of new switching capacity (in lakh lines) 2.8 3.21 115 3.0

2. Provision of net OELs (in lakh Imes) 2.2 3.24 147 2.4

3. Long Distance Public Telephones 1120 ~558 139 1200

4. Provision of Telex connections 3000 4130 138 4500

5. No. of cities connected on 147 ISO 220 323 1852 123 1600 6. VFT Channels 1500 1215 105 1000 7. Carrier Channels 1160 145 145 80 8. Manual Trunk Boards 100 99 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 100

1 2 3 4 5

OPERATION

9. Fault Rate (No. of faults per 100 stations per month) 30 29 Improve- 27.5 ment of 3.3%

10. call completion Rate per STD calls (Test calls to free Telephones) 31.6 44.9 142 47.0

Tyres Production (b) if so, the reasons for frequent break- downs and steps taken to improve the 8990. SHRI'INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will the. communications between Leh and Delhi? Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (8) whether it is a fact that the indigenous MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS production of tyres is not enough to meet (SHAI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (8) No, the increasing demand; Sir.

(b) if so, what is the estimated demand, (b) Not applicable in view of (a) above. the production capacity in different manufacturing units and the actual production at the end of 1986; and Modernisation of Coal Mining Industry (c) if there is a shortfall in the production, the reasons therefor? 8992. SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state: DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (a) the measures taken during 1986-87 TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to to modernise the coal mining industry and (c). The present installed and approved the cost thereof; capacity of automotive tyres in the country is considered adequate to meet the (b) the increase in production acheived demand of indigenous requirement of thereby; and tyres till the end of VII Five Plan. The production of tyres in the year 1986 was (c) the details of modernisation schemes higher than that in 1985 despite the closure to be taken up during 1987-881 of two units from October 1986 onwards.

Communication System betv.Jeen DeIhl THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- MdLeh ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHAI VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b). The mea- 8991. SHAI P. NAMGYAL: Will the Minis- sures taken in 1986-87 to modernise the ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to mining activities, inter-alia, include state: improvement of production capacity by investment in reorganisation of existing (8 \ whether lately the satellite telephone mines, opening of new mines and augmen- link between Delhi and Leh has started tation of infrastructural facilities and sup- breaking down frequently; and port services. The capital expenditure on 101 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15. 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 102 these developmental activities during whether Latur and Nanded are to be 1986-87 is given below provided STD facility; and

(Rs. in crores) (b) if so, when? Coal India Ltd. 966.61 Singareni Collieries Company Ltd. 99.77 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Research & Development.. 5.00 SON.T9~H MOHAN DEV): (a) Yes, Sir. Total: 1071.38 (b) latur and Nanded are planned to be provided with STD facility during the 7th The estimated increase in production dur- plan period. ing 1986-87 over 1985-86 was 11.58 minion Setting up of FRllt Proceulng tonnes in Cil and SCCl mines. Units

8993. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRI- (b) if so, whether their productivity in PATHI: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be quantity has gone up during the last three pleased to state: years and if not, the reasons therefor?

(a) whether it is a fact that Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have given contract for manufacturing MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- shoes to a company of U.S.A.; LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAO): (a) The Department of Food in the Mi nistry of (b) if so, when the contract was given Food and Civil Supplies set up a fruit juice and the name of the "'ompany to which the bottling plant at Delhi to manufacture contract has been given; and fruit drinks. This plant was transferred to Modern Bakeries (India) Limited (subse- (c) the justification for giving contract quently renamed as Modern Food Indus- for manufacturing of shoes to a company tries (India) Limited) in April 1982. and of U.S.A.? was commissioned by the Company the same month. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The production figures of fruit DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- drinks man~factured by the plant during OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- the last three years are given below: TRY (SHAI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to (c). Information is being collected and will Year Production in be laid on the Table of the House. lakh crates-each [English] crate of 24 bottles of 200 ml. each) STD FacUlty at Latur Md Handed. MaharBlhtra 19~85 6.05 8994. SHRI ARVIND TULSHI RAM 1985-86 7.24 1986-87 6.75 KAMBLE: 'Nill the Minister of COMMUNI- ( Provisional) CATIONS be pleased to state: 103 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 104

The decline in production during 1986- less than the requirements and demand 87 was due mainly to frequent break- by the State; downs of the plant. (c) the steps proposed to be taken by Levy cement allotted to Government to incre.!se the quota of levy Andhr. Pradesh cement for Andhra Pradesh; and

8996. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the Min- (d) if so, the details thereof? ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the total quantity of levy cement allot- DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- ted to Andhra Pradesh during the last three OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- years, year-wise and actual quantity of T~Y (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) The cement lifted by the State Government, quantity of levy cement allotted to the year-wise dUring the period; State of Andhra Pradesh under State quota (excluding for Irrigation and Power) dur- (b) whether the allotment of levy ing last three years and actual lifting has cement to Andhra Pradesh has been far been as under:-

Year Qty. of Cement (In '000 tonnes) Allotted Lifted 0/0 age

1984 582 539 93

1985 621 635 102

1986 568 528 93 (Prov.)

(b) to (d). There is no system of ascer- the Oil Industry (Development) Act, 1974 taining the demand for levy cement from in each of the last three years; vanous States/Union Territories on regular basis. Neither do the State Govern- (b) how much of it has been diverted to ments/UT Administrations send their meet the deficit of the general budget; demand regularly. However, as and when and any request are received from the Statesl Union Territories for additional (c) the likely impact of the diversion of increased allotment of levy cement, same thiS amount on the three new grassroot are examined, keeping in view the overall refineries at Karnal, Mangalore and availability of levy cement and additional Assam? allocation to the extent possible, are provided. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NAT- Dlvenlon of ee.. under 011 Industry URAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE (Development) Act, 1974 IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI to General Budget BRAHMA DUn): (a) The amount of cess collected was: (Rs.lcrores) 8997. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- 1984-85 843.53 RAL GAS be pleased to state: 1985-86 872.92 1986-87 981.30 (a) the amount of cess collected under (provisional) 105 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15. 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 106

(b) In accordance with the provisions of cases were filed In courts in oiHerent section 16 of the Act. the entire proceeds of parts of the country under the old 151 Cer- the cess are required to be credited to the tification Marks Act. These cases have Consolidated Fund of India and the Cen- not so far been disposed of by the con- tral Government may, if Parliament by cerned courts. appropriation made by law in this behalf so provides, pay to the Oil Industry Develop- (c) Does not arise in view of reply given ment Fund such sums of money as it may to (b) above. think fit. In view of this, no diversion may be said to have taken place. Proposal to discourage production of non-essential medicines (c) Does not arise. 8999. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI: Will the Cases of misuse of Standard Marks Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: 8998. SHRI V. SREENIVASA PRASAD: (a) whether It IS a fact that the produc- Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL tion of non-essential and useless medi- SUPPLIES be pleased to state: cmes has gone up during the last few years; and (a) whether it is a fact that more powers have been given to the lSI Inspectors to (0) If so, the details thereof and steps deal firmly with the growing fraudulent proposed to be taken to discourage the use of standard marks; production of non-essentlal and useless drugs In the country? (b) if so. the details thereof and how many cases of fraudulent and misuse of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE standard marks have been reported DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND dUring the last six months; and PETROCHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHAN- (c) the action taken againt the persons DRA SINGrl): (a) and (b). The Drug Con- concerned? troller (it,jla) which is under the admintstl ·.tJve Control of the Health Min- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE istry, approves bulk drugs and formula- MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- tiCJns for use in the country after LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) consldermg varrous aspects. Permission Yes, Sir. for productIon IS given only in respect of such approved bulk drugs and formula- (b) The addItional powers to the tions. Under the recently announced mea- inspecting officers of the Bureau for deal- sures, It is envisaged that the new ing with improper use of Standard Mark formulations based on drugs already are detailed in Section 26 (1), (2) and (3) approved for use in the country would not of the Bureau of Indian Standards Act, be allowed to be manufactured unless 1986 and Rule 21 (e) and (1) of the Bureau their therapeutic efficacy and rationality of Indian Standards Rules. 1987. are adequately tested.

Additional powers gIVen have become Potential of Western OHshor. effective from 1st Apri I, 1987 with the 011 Relds establishment of the Bureau of Indian Standards under the Bureau of Indian 9000. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: Will Standards Act, 1986. No case has been the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- filed in the court after 1 April, 1987 for RAL GAS be pleased to state: fraudulent and misuse of Standard Mark. During the last six months, however, 3 (8) whether oil potential in West off- 107 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 108

shore has improved with the discovery of (a) whether it is proposed to implement several new oil fields including off-shore the scheme regarding ground radio relay Daman; link in Pithoragarh (U.P.); and

(b) if so, the details thereof and the (b) if so, by what time? qualitative and quantitative analysis thereof; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether any re-assessment of the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS oil producing fields for a more realistic (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) Yes, appreciation of the reservoir potential Sir. and behaviour over the years has been made; and (b) By March, 1988.

(d) if so, the outcome thereof? [English]

Consultation fees for technical services from Mia. Rhelnbr'a&m conaultlng of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE West Gennany MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN 9002. SHAI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased BRAHMA DUTT): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. to state: Since the beginning of the Seventh Plan, 011 has been discovered in 10 structures in (a) whether the Neyveli Lignite Corpo- offshore namely- ration (NLC) has agreed to pay consultation fees for the technical services 0-118 8-13 rendered by M/s. Rheinbraun Consulting 8-172 8-179 of West Germany; R-71 8-42 A-71 Panna East (b) if so, the details of charges to be g~ Daman Offshore paid for each project of NLC to the said consulting firm;

These discoveries are under delinea- (c) whether it is obligatory for the NLC tion and actual production potential and to keep the consulting firm and/or to quality will depend upon further delinea- adhere to their advice on the project in as tion drilling and testing. much as the assistance is mainly coming from KFW, a West Germany financial (a) and (d). Yes, Sir. The fields are institution; and behaving as per assessment and regular corrective measures are being followed in (d) if so, the details thereof? accordance with the best reservoir practices. THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI [Translation 1 VASANT SATHE): (a) Yes, Sir.

Ground Radio Relay Unk Scheme (b) The details are given in the State- In Plthorag.'" (U.P.) ment given below.

9001. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the (c) and (d): Under the gUldelines of Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be K.F.W., the West German funding pleased to state: agency, which is giving financial assist- 109 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 110 ance for NLC's projects, it is obligatory ance during negotiations on contracts for NLC to engage an independent quali- and their drafting. The consultant would fied consulting engineer. The job of such further render advice on the planning of a consultant would include preparation of the project, al"d ensure quality of bid documents, evaluati9n of bids, assist- construction.

STATEMENT

S. No. Scope of consultancy for which contracts have been entered Into Amount (in OM)

1. Consultancy services for assistance in the preparation of detailed 386,600 project report, drawing up of specifications for equipment, etc. for Mine II Stage I.

2. Consultancy services during the Implementation of lignite mine II 2,665,588 stage I. plus Rs.3OO,OOO

3. Consultancy services for the review of detailed project report on 255,000 the lignite mine II stage II.

4. Consultancy assistance during the Implementation of lignite 3,530,754 mine II stage II. plus Rs.329,200

Supply of Kerosene to Welt Bengal The State's allocation for the past Win- ter Block was 50970 tonnes per month 9003. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will the and for the present Summer Block. it is Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- 50250 tonnes per month. The require- RAL GAS be pleased to state: ment of kerosene varies from season to season and it is higher in winter. An addi- (a) whether a proposal has been tional allocation of 2000 tonnes was given received from Government of West Ben- to West Bengal for March. 1987. gal for the supply of more quota of Kero- sene; and Use of Computer for exploration byONGC (b) if so, details thereof and action taken by Government thereon? 9004. SHRI P.M. SA YEED: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS be pleased to state:

(a) whether Oil and Natural Gas Com- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE mission has drawn up a plan to introduce MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- computers for 011 exploration during the RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN Seventh F,ve Year Plan; THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHAI BRAHMA DUTT):(a) and (b). Government (b) if so, the details of the plan indicat- of West Bengal had requested in Feb. 1987, ing the places where computers would be for retaining the State kerosene quota utilised; given for Winter Block (Nov. 1986 to Feb. 1987) in the Summer Block (March to June (c) whether the computers would be 1987) also. The State Govemment had also utilised only for exploration of oil pro&- requested for an additional quantity of peets or some other aspects would also 5000 tonnes for March 1987 to meet the be covered; and increased demand. 111 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 112

(d) the main benefits which are esti- by labour Cooperative Societies, who mated to accrue from the plan? have engaged about 100 persons for this work. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NAT- (b) As these persons are not engaged URAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE by BHEL, the question of their absorption IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI does not arise. BRAHMA DUTT) (a) (a) Yes, SIr [ Translation]

(b) ONGC has planned to deploy a Eannarking of collieries for Sandhav number of computers of different types at Thennal Power Station its various work centres for oil exploration during the Seventh Plan period. The com- 9006. SHAI DILEEP SINGH BHUAIA: puters will be used in the six Regions, Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased Headquarters, KDM Institute of Petro- to state: leum Exploration. Dehradun and Institute of Reservoir Studios, Ahmedabad. (a) whether Government propose to earmark some collieries for supply of coal (c) The computers would be mostly to the remaining two units of Bandhav used for processing of seismic and gravi- Thermal Power Station; ty/magnetic data, analysIs of geological data and log samples, and data base man- (b) If so, the names of the collieries; and agement system storage and other business applications (c) the time by which the final decision WIll be taken in thiS regard? (d) Installation of computers will Increase the Inhouse capability of process- THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND Ing seismiC data and faCIlitate the 011 and MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHAI gas exploratIon program me of ONGC. VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). The logical source of coal for Bandhav Thermal Power Station is Singrauli coalfield. No Contract labourers In BHEL specifiC colliery has been earmarked 50 far for Bandhav Thermal Power Station. 9005. DR. P. VALLAL PERUMAN: WIll the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to [English] state: Railing of Fundi through Power (a) whether it is a fact that in the public Bonds by N. T.P.C. sector undertakings like BHEL in Tiruchi, Ranipet, etc. thousand of contract labour- 9007. SHRI 0.8. PATIL: Will the Minis- ers are engaged for doing the sanitary ter of ENERGY be pleased to state: and sewerage work; and (a) whether the National Thermal (b) if so, whether Government have any Power Corporation issued power bonds proposal to absor~ them on permanent to raise funds to supplement finances baSIS after some time? for certain power proJects; and (b) if so, the power projects to be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE financed with the funds so raised? DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWAAY): (a) In BHEL DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- Tiruchi & Ranipet Plants, the sanitary ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI work is carried out on work contract basis SUSHILA ROHTAGI): (a) Yes, Sir. 113 W,inen Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Wrinen Answers 114

(b) The funds raised through the issue CHOWDHARY AKHTAR of power bonds win be utilised for the Gas HASAN: Based Combined Cycle Power Projects at Kawas (Gujarat), Anta (Rajasthan) and Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Auraiya

9008. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARJ. Will (c) whether the company has got suffi- the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to cient orders to keep the capacity fully uti- slate: lised during 1987-88; and

(8) whether recently Coal India Limited (d) if not, the measures taken to utilise has detected a group of firms situated at the capacity? Dhanbad_supplying safety items to different subsidiaries of Coal India Limited on THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE forged material test certificates of Central DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- Mining Research Station, Dhanbad; PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) to (d). On (b) if so, whether the case has been the baSIS of orders in hand. the average handed over to CBI for further investiga- capacity utilisation in Sharat Heavy Electri- tion and necessary action; and ca's Ltd., during the Seventh Five Year Plan period for thermal and hydro manu- (c) if not, the reasons thereof? facturing facilities is 59'Mt and 32% respec- tivety. Though the company has sufficient THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND orders for 1987-88. the order book position MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHAI for 1988-89 and beyond is not satisfactory. 'ASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). Yes Sir. Dur- Constraint of resources for the setting up ing recent checks. it was noticed by Cil of new power plants is the principal cause that a group of firms situated at Dhanbad of low capacity utilisation. Product diversi- had been indulging in malpractices in the fication and strengthening of services and supply of triangular chokes, steel props spares supply have been taken up by Bha- and other fabrications of steel to some of rat Heavy Bectricals Ltd., for improving Its subsidiaries. Vigilance divisions of the capacity utilisation. concerned subsidiaries are looking into ExpencIIure on R a D Prog...... these malpractices. Besides, an inquiry of BHEL committee has also been constituted by elL to look into the matter. A decision 9010. SHR~MATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: about handing over the case to eBI will Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be be taken on receipt of reports of internal pleased to state: inquiries already in progress.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mated of each of them; and DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (c) the number of new thermal projects TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) and (b). presently under examination with During 19~87, BHEL spent around Rs. 42 Government and the locations of the Crores (subject to Audit) on Research & projects? Development Programmes relating to Boi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lers/Coal areas, non-conventional energy DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- sources, Steam Turbines, Transmission ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI and Distribution Products/Systems, Indus- SUSHILA ROHTAGI): (a) and (b). 22 trial Controls and Electronic, Heat Exchan- Hydel projects and 18 Thermal projects gers, etc. were approved by the Planning Commis- Approval to new Power PI .... sion during the year 1986-87. The details are given in the Statement given below. 9011. SHRI MANIK REDDY: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (c) There are 14 thermal projects presently awaiting Government approval. (a) the number of new power projects. These are located in Punjab, Uttar Pra- hydel and thermal, approved in 1986-87; desh, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Orissa, Assam and Andaman (b) the locations and capital cost esti- & Nicobar Islands. STATEMENT List of Projects approved by Planning Commission during 1986-87

SI. Name of the Project Location Esti mated Remarks No. cost (As. crores)

1 2 3 4 5 Hydel 1. Khaw;va Small Hydel (1.1 MW) Mizoram 2.00 2. Tuirivang Mini Hydel (0.3 MW) Mizoram 0.82 3. Pahalgam HEP (3 x 1 MW) J & K 8.39 4. Srinagar HEP (4 x 50 MW) Uttar Prades 144.18 5. Gunho Micro Hydel (2 x 20 KW) Nagland 0.08 6. Dzuladi Micro Hydel (3 x 100 KW) Nagaland 0.69 7. Warna Dam HEP (2 x 8 MW) Maharashtra 15.10 8. Muvattupuzha Small HEP (1 x 6 MW) Kerala 7.80 9. Chimoni Dam Small Hydel (1 x 2.5MW) Kerala 3.14 10. Peppara Dam HEP (1 x 3 MW) Kerala 3.92 11. Mini/Micro Hydel Project in M.P. Madhya Pradesh Rudri (2 x 100 KW) 0.41 Korna (2 x 400 KW) 0.92 Barna (2 x 750 KW) 2.16 Mahan (2 x 200 KW) 0.72 12. Ranganadi HEP (6 x 135 MW) N.E.C. 322.32 13. Birsalpur Mini Hydel (1 x635 + 1x165 + 1 x 210 KW) Rajasthan 2.66 14. Etawa Micro Hyde! (1 x 500 KW) Rajasthan 1.09 15. Puyankutty HEP St.-I (2x 120 MW) Kerala 250.00 16. Limakhong Hydel St.-III (2xSOO KW) Manipur 1.85 17. Srisailam Left Bank Power House (9 x 110 MW) Andhra Pradesh 418.00 In principle 18. Koyna HEP St.-IV (6x125 MW) Maharashtra 277.12 19. Myanchu Mini Hydel (4 x 1 MW) Sikkim 7.42 20. Upper Rongnichu Mini Hydel (4M2 MW) Sikkim 14.53 21. Tago Hydro Electric Project (ax 1.5 MW), ~runachal Pradesh 5.29 22. Larji HEP (3 x 42 MW) Himachal Pradesh 168.85 117 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 118

2 3 4 5

Thermal 1. Gas Turbine at Maithon (3 x 30 MW) D.V.C. 44.57 2. North Madras TPS (3 x 210 MW) Tamil Nadu 547.79 3. Augmentation of D.G. Capacity at Karnorta Islands (3 x 300 WA) A & Nisland 0.82 4. Installation of 2 x 20 MW DG Sets in J & K J&K 22.13 5. Setting up of Mejia TPS (3x 210 MW) D.V.C. 566.00 6. Palana Lignite based TPS (2)(60 MW) Rajasthan 180.00 7. IP TPS (4 x 210 MW) Orissa 887.99 In principle 8. Gas based TPS at Rokhia (2 x5 MW) Tripura 12.30 9. Bakreshwar TPS (3 )( 210 MW) West Bengal 682.58 In principle 10. Augmentation of D.G. capacity at A&N Rungat Bay (3 )( 880 KW) Islands 4.35 11. Augmentation of D.G. capacity Lakshadweep 1.36 12. Installation of D.G. sets at Kolar Bidar, Jama Khandl and Indi (77.76MW) Karnataka 50.81 13. Gas based TPS at Baramura 3rd Unit (1 x 5 MW) Tnpura 5.26 14. Kahalgaon Super Thermal Project N.T.P.C. 1058.64 Stage - I (4 x 210 MW) Central Sector 15. Setting up of three gas based combined cycle power plants each at 1199.86 Kawas (4 x 100 GT + 2 )( 100 ST) N.T.P.C. (Gujarat) . Central Sector Auralya (4x100 GT+2x 100 ST) U.P. Anta (3 x 100 GT + 1 x 100 ST) Rajasthan 16. InstaUation of 8.8 MW Diesel Mlzoram 5.84 Generating capacity 17. Setting up of National Capital TPS N.T.P.C. 1063.57 Stage-I (4)(210 MW) 18. Installation of 1 x 120 MW Waste Maharashtra 62.56 Heat Recovery Plant at Uran

Setting up of Super Thennal Power (e) if no decision has been taken the Station In Maharashlra reasons therefor?

9012. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. BHO- THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND' SALE: Will the Minister of ENERGY be MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI pleased to state: VASANT SATHE): (a) to (e). The Maha- rashtra authorities had proposed the set- (a) whether a proposal has been ting up of a pit-head Thermal Power received by Government for setting up of Station in the Central Sector at Chan- a Super Thermal Power Station of 2000 to drapur. The National Thermal Power Cor- 3000 M. W. capacity in Maharashtra under poration are preparing a feasibility report Central Sector; for the proposed project envisaging installation of 1000 MW capacity in the (b) if so, the details thereof; first stage. The State authorities have agreed, in principle, to bear the capital (c) whether Maharashtra Government cost of only the water supply arrange- is prepared to bear the capital cost of ments for the proposed thermal station. Super Thermal Power Station; The proposal could be considered by Government only after its tech no- (d) if so, the decision taken by the economic viability has been established Union Government on the proposal; and by the Central Electricity Authority. 119 Written Answers MAY 5.1987 Written Answers 120

A.llmIIon tor SCIST tor IIIIotment of (d) to (f). No. Sir. Other things being AgencIes for PWochemIcIII Products equal, preference is, however. given by IPCl to SC/ST candidates in preference 9013. S.iRI SOMJIBHAI DAMOR: Will to other applicants for distributorship. the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state:

(a) the number of Petrochemical Cor- porations in the public sector in the coun- 9014. SHRI GANGA RAM: Will the try and their location: Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) the number of agencies for the petrochemical products under each Corpo- (a) whether it is a fact that the SC & ration and their location; ST Employees Association of Indian Pet- rochemicals Corporation ltd. (IPCl) Bar- (c) the yearty turn over of each agency; oda has submitted 14 grievances to the Chairman and Managing Director of the (d) whether there is any reservation for Corporation on 30 January, 1987; Scheduled castes and Scheduled Tribes in the allotment of such agencies, if so, (b) if so, the details thereof; and the percentage thereof, (c) the action taken thereon? (e) whether such reserved allotment has already been made; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (f) if not, the reasons thereof? PETROCHEMCIAlS IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI A.K. JAICHAN- ORA SINGH) :(8) and (b). Yes, Sir. The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SC/ST Committee of Indian Petrochemi- DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND cals Corporation Limited (IPCl) raised PETROCHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY certain issues like promotions, career OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHAN- development, nominations for SC/ST DRA SINGH): (a) There are two petro- employees for training. etc., problems chemical corporations in public sector in pertaining to sweepers like uniforms, the country viz. (i) Indian Petrochemicals change in deSignation, high post for Corporation Limited ('PCL). Baroda sweepers, etc., rotation of SC/ST (Gujarat) and (ii) Bongaigaon Refinery & members for Departmental Promotion Petrochemtca's Limited (BRPl) at Bon- Committee, and certain individual cases. gaigaon (Assam). (c) The issues raised by the Association (b) Whereas BRPL has yet to apPoint its are being examined by IPCL agents for marketing of its petrochemical products. IPeL has 61 distnbut ors/deal- Revl,lon of Wag .. of employ.. , of ers for marketing of its polymer products Shara. Heavy Electrlcala Ltd. viz. Low-Density Polyethylene, Polyprop- ylene. Polyvinyl Chloride and Po~ybuta 9015. SHRI A.C. SHANMUGAM: Will diene Rubber operating from 45 the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to centres/locations. state:

(c) The average gross turnover of a dis- (a) whether the wages of the workers of tributor/dealer of IPCl is As. 525 lakhs the Bharat Heavy Electricals ltd. have per annum. been revised throughout the country; and 121 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

(b) if not, the reasons for the delay? Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes/ candidates with a view to ensure filling up THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE .')f the q ~ota DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- In promotion examinations the qualify- TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARV)".(a) and (b). Ing standards have been relaxed in the The wages of BH EL workers revised with case!) of Scneduled Castes/Scheduled effect from 1.91982 and the wage agree- TrIbeS candidates. ment was valid for 4 years, The discussions with Joint Committee for further Shortage of Qualified Managerial revision of wages of workers have already Personnel in Public Sector started. 9017. SHRI NARSING SURYAWAN- filling up Reserved Vacancies in SHi Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Umited pleased t~ state:

9016. SHRI M ~ JHIKRAM: Will the (a) whether It .s a fact that most of the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be public sector units suffer from a chronic pleased to state shortage of qualified managerial personnel, and (a) whether in Group 'A' and 'B' Cadres in Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Ltd., (0) It so. the measures take" by Govern- Bombay and Delhi a large number of ment to thts regard? reserved vacancies have been dereserved in favour of general candidates; THE MINISTER OF 5TA TE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC, ENTER- D~O (b) if so, the reason for not giving PRISES IN THE Mi"~iSTRY OF INDUS- motions on ad-hoc bas.s to Scheduleo TRY (PROF K K. TEVJARY~ (a) No, Sir. Castes/Scheduled Trrbes

(c) the steps taken to ensure filling up of reserved vacancies in Group 'A' and '8 CM;,:''?ge in Administration and cadres by Scheduled Castes/Scheduled FunCfil..~ing of Telecommunication Tribes Officers? System

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 9018. SrlR' RAM BHAGAT PASWAN: MINISTRY OF GOMMUNICA TIONS WII! the Mlntster af COMtv\U"JICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV). (a) De- be pleased to state: reservation is not separately done fo~ Mahanagar Telepnone Nigam Ltd. Bom- ,a I Nhether Government propose to bay and Delhi as the recruitment is done !:Inng any ct"ange !r the aam.nistration on a common baSIS for the whoie country and funchomng of telecommunication tor Group 'A' and Group 'B' cadre5,. system 111 Inata 0'1 British pattern; and

(b) For ad-hoc promotions sertionty (b) If so, the details thereof? cum fitness IS the cnterion to be observed. There arE: no formal reserva- "THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tions or quota for ad-hoc promotIons. MINISTRY OF COMMUNiCATIONS \SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) No. Sir. (c) For Group 'A', wh,'e selecting, by promotion from Group 'B', the Zone of consideration is bigger in the case ot {b ~ Question does not arise. 123 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 124

EIectrtfIcation of Villages by Rural Setting up of Terephlhallc AcId Project electrification Corporation In Cuttack District of on-

9019. SHRI E. AYYAPPU REDDY: Will 9021. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state tne number of villages electrified by state: the Rural Electrification Corporation dur- Ing 1986 and also the pump sets ener- (a) whether Government of Orissa has gised under Rural Electrification requested for review of the decision taken Corporation Projects all over the by Union Government rejecting the appli- country? cation of MIs. Industrial Promotion and Investment Corporation Limited for issue THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of an industrial licence for setting up ter- DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- ephthalic acid plant in Cuttack district; ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI and SUSHILA ROHTAGI): During the (b) If so, reaction of Governm~nt calendar year 1986, 20,122 villages were thereto? electrified and 4,23,354 pumpsets ener- gised In the country under the schemes THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE financed by the Rural Electrification DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Corporation. PETROCHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHAN- ORA SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir.

Maintenance of P & T Quarters in Delhi (b) The representation from MIs. Indus- trial Promotion and Investment Corpora- 9020. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGA- tion Ltd. (IPICOL) against the rejection of LAM. WI" the Minister of COMMUNICA- thei r application for setting up a Tereph- TIONS be pleased to state: thalic Acid project was examined by the Government and was rejected on the (a) whether the maintenance of P & T grounds of capacity constraint. quarters in Delhi and all welfare activities for Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Limited Use of Chemical Gas .. CookIng Gas (Delhi), GMM Deihl and Postal (Delhi) employees and their families residing in 9022. SHRI H.B. PATIL: Will the Minis- P& T Colonies of Deihl have been stopped ter of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS since the formation of Mahanagar Tele- be pleased to state: phone Nigam Limited w.e.f. 1st April, 1986; and (a) whether any chemical gas different from liquifled petroleum gas is also being (b) 'f so, the reasons thereof? supplied and used as cooking gas;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details in this regard; and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV):(a) and (c) whether use of this chemical gas as (b). No, Sir. However, certain difficulties cooking gas is quite safe from accidents are being experienced in the mainte- as well as from the health pOint of view? nance of quarters in the Department of Posts follOWing the formation of Maha- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE nagar Telephone Nigam Limited Arran- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NAT- gements are being worked out to ensure URAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE smooth maintenance of quarters in the IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Postal Pool. BRAHMA DUTT ,: (a) to (cj. Some non- 125 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 126

Petroleum Companies in the private sec- Licence. should be scrutinised with a tor are marketing mini cylinders filled view to examining the scope of ancillari- with C 3/C 4 Hydrocarbon streams. The sation. Requirement of quality and price main source of supplies of this gas to of the products are to be settled between these mini cylinder marketeers are the mother and the ancillary units. reported to be as under: (b) The Interaction between research (1) Union Carbide India ltd. laboratories and industry is brought (UCll). about by the Oeptt. of Scientific and (2) Indian Petro-chemicals ltd. Bar- Industrial Research inter alia through the oda (IPCl). following sch'Jmes:- (3) Nocil, Bombay. (4) Gujarat Petro-chemicals ltd., (i) Recognition of In-house Ankleshwar. Research and Development (5) Some Petro-chemical plants units. using Naphtha as feedstock and having Naphtha Crackers. (ii) Import of know-how, design, consultancy etc. by recognised The capacity of the Mini-cylinders var- in-house R&D units. ies from 1/2 Kg. to 6 1/2 Kg. The licence for manufacture and filling of this type of gas is issued by the Chief Controller of (iii) Activities of National Research Explosives. Development Corporation of India including transfer and licensing of technology deve- Cooperation between Laboratories and loped by R&D institutions in the Industry to Accelerate Technological country, filling up technolgical upgradation in Industrial Sector gaps by promoting developmental projects in collaboration with 9023. SHRI R.M. SHOYE: Will the Min- industry, equity participation in ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: undertakings set-up for utilising NRDC technologies for the first (a) whether Government have issued time, encouragement of inven- any instructions to the large industrial tive talent and promoting hori- Houses in the country to help ancillaries zontal transfer of technology to bring about technological changes to from industry to industry etc. ensure that products manufactured by ancillaries compete in terms of quality (IV) Support to consultancy and price in domestic and international organisations. market; and SeHing up of Pubic Sector Units (b) if so, action taken by Government in Orissa for greater interaction between research laboratories and industry so as to acceler- 9024. SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK: ate the process of technological upgrada- Will th& Minister of INDUSTRY be tion in the industrial sector? pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN lHE {a} the total number of Central public DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL sector units in the State of Orissa in rela- DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF tion to its number in other parts of the INDUSTRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): country; (a) Instructions already exist to the effect that all applications for grant of Industrial (b) whether Government are consider- 127 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 128 ing a proposal to set up some more public menta for supplying cash toamall sector units in Orissa: and post offices have been greatly improved by revising the limits of (c) if so, the details thereof together cash which may be remitted with their location in the State, district- through various channels. Simi- wise? larly, the limits of cash that can be entrusted to the postmen for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE payment of Money Orders have DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- also been increased. PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) Out of (b) In the case of non-payment of 228 industraal and commercial enter- Money Orders, instructions exist prises of the Central Government as on to issue duplicate Orders expedi- 31.12.1986, 3 enterprises are having their tiously and make the payment to registered offices In the State of Orissa. the payees or the remitter as However, many enterprises have invest- desired by the remitter. ment in the State of Onssa though their registered offices are situated elsewhere. (c) Rules exist for proper identifica- The total investment of Central public tion of payees to avoid wrong enterprises in terms of gross block in the payments. Where wrong pay- State of Orissa amvunted to Rs. 4070.72 ments are established the crores as on 31.3.1986 against the total amount of the Money Order is investment of As. 56,695.~ crores in the paid to the payee or the remitter country as a whole. as per the wishes of the remitter.

(b) and (c). Decisions regarding loca- (d) Recently a drive has been tion of Central pubhc enterprises are ordered to tighten supervision by taken by the Government on broad visiting and inspecting officers to techno-economic consideration and it ensure prompt payment of cannot be predetermined on a State-wise Money Orders especially in rural basis. areas. Reports received after the drive show that the results have been satisfactory.

(e) There is a well established com- 9025. SHAI MULLAPPAllY RAMA- plaints organisation in the CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of COM- Department of Posts and fN8fY MUNICATIONS be pleased to state the complaint is immediately steps taken to minimise the defaults in acknowledged and pul'1lU8d at delivery of money orders and to give the level of Divisional Superin- expeditious relief to those aggrieved by tendent for its expeditious dispo- such defaults? sal. The analysis of the complaints as well as the pen- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dency is carried out at the highest MINISTRY OF ~OMMUNICATIONS levels to ensure that complaints (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEY): The fol- are quickly settled. These include lowing steps have been taken to minimise the complaints regarding Money the defaults in the payment of Money Orders. Orders and to give expeditious relief to Opening of ,_. Poet orne.., 1:1.1""'" thoee aggrieved by such faults: 0fIIcea Md r\IbIIc CIII 0fIcIe In (a) To minimise the delay in payment AWIII .... of Money Orders, the arrange- 9026. ~~RI \MARSINH RA THAWA: 129 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 130

Nill the Minister of COMMUNICA- ces, telegraph offices etc. during the year TIONS be pleased to state: 1987-88, if so, the details thereof?

(a) the number of new post offices, telegraph offices and public call offices THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE opened during the years 1985-86 and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 19~87 State-wise; (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) Postal: The information is furnished in (b) the number of new post offices, tele- Statement-I given below. graph offices and public call offices likely to be opened during the year 1987-88 Telecom: The number of telegraph offi- State-wise; and ces (Combined offices) and Long Distance Public Call offices opened during the years (c) whether any special attention IS 198~86 and 1986-87 are given below. The being given to the tribal areas or hilly areas Circle/State-wise information is given in in the matter of opening of new post offi- the Statement-III given below.

1985-86 1986-87 Telegraph offices (Combined offices) 1316 1046

Long Distance Public Call offices 1509 1558

(b) Postal: The information to the extent ces indicated in Annexure-II, as likely to be available is furnished in Annexure-II. The opened in 1987-88 as many as 65 are in number of post offices likely to be openea hilly and tribal areas. In the remaining Circles is being ascertained and will be laid on the Table of the House. In view of the ban on creation of Telecom: There are special relaxation posts, approval of the Ministry of Finance for providing Telecom facilities in the Tri- is also required, and therefore, the number bal/Adivasi and hilly areas. A Telecom of post offices actually opened may fall facility can be provided in a village with a short of the figures indicated in State- population of 2500 or more in tribal/hilly ment-II given below. areas as against a population of 5000 or more in normal rural areas. Telecom: 1200 Long Distance Public Call offices are likely to be opened during the year 1987-88. Out of them, those (ii) For considering the population of opened in post offices, will have telegraph 2500 in Tribal areas, population of all the faCility on phonocom basis. Circle/State- villages within 10 kms of the central village wise information is given in the State- can be taken into account in case of Tribal ment-III below. areas. There IS a plan to open about 100 LDPT in the tribal/hilly areas under the (c) Postal: Yes, Sir. Out of 222 post offi- above plan. STATEMENT-I Number of post offices opened during 1985-86 and 1986-87. Circles Post offices Post offices opened during opened during 1985-86 1986-87 2 3 4

1. Andhra Pradesh 131 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 132

1 2 3 4

2 Bihar

3 ~elhl 2

4 GUJarat

5 Jammu & Kashmir

6 Kerala

7 Karnataka

8 Madhya Pradestl 2 3

9 Maharasht,.ct 6

10 North East

11 \Iorth West 12 Orissa .. ~ Rajasthan

14 Tamil Nadu 3

15 Uttar Pradesh

16 West Bengal 1 Total 10 9

STATEMENT-II

Number of post offices likely to be opened dUring 1987-88

Name of the Circle Number of Post Offices Bihar 55

Kerala 31

Rajasthan 17

Maharashtra 4 Madhya Pradesh 113

Punjab 2

Himachal Pradesh

Andhra Pradesh

Total 222 133 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 134

STATEMENT -III

Telegraph ~ffices (Combined Offices) and Long Distance Public Call offices opened durmg 1985-86, 1986-87 and those likely to be opened during 1987-88

1985-86 1986-87 1987-88 Telegraph Long Telegraph Long Long Name of Circle offices. distance offices distance distance (C.O.) Public Call (C.O., Public Call Public Call offices offices offices 1. Andhra Pradesh 44 127 7 61 10

2. Bihar 245 245 2 107 145 3. Gujarat 11 56 74 74 45

4. Jammu &. Kashmir 35 22 7 25

5. Karnataka 81 49 271 113 45

6. Kerala 11 11 6 8

7. Madhya Pradesh 300 300 135 133 170

8. Maharashtra 92 109 70 304 130

9. North East (including 12 19 30 50 Assam, Tripura, Arunachal Pradesh Meghalaya Manipur, Mizoram)

10. North West (upto 86-87) 87 87 26 87 (Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh) 191 240 11. Rajasthan 45 142 56 114 70 12. Orissa 116 119 111 55 67 13. Tamil Nadu 84 77 230 75 14. Uttar Pradesh 117 117 230 3 32 80 15. West Bengal 36 29 50 16. Assam w.e.f. 87-88 30 17. Haryana w.e.f. 87-88 25 18. Himachal w.e.f 87-88 10 19. Punjab w.e.f. 87-88 1046 1558 1200 Total: 1316 1509 (a) the total power generated annually in Power Generation through Thennal Power the country and the power generated Protects) Hydro Electric Power Projects through thermal power projects, hydro- and Atomic Energy Projects electric power projects and Atomic Energy 9027. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: proJects; Will the MInister of ENERGY be pleased to (b) the target fixed for the Seventh Plan; state: 135 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 136

(c) the number and names of places power projects included in the Seventh where new thermal power projects and Rve Year Plan and the benefits expected hydro-electric power projects are likely to from them are given in the Statement given be commissioned during the Seventh Plan below. and the power likely to be generated in those projects; and (d). The Central Electricity Authority has undertaken a long-term planning study to (d) the estimated power generation by determine the capacity additions and the the enL of the century and the steps taken total outlay which would be required to to achieve the fixed target by commission- meet the country's power demand up t~ ing more thermal power projects and the year 2000 AD. A view will be taken by hydro-electric power projects an the Govt. when the conclusions of the study country? are available, depending upon the availability of resources. • THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI Various measures have been taken to VASANT SATHE): (a) During 1986-87, the avoid any shortfall in the induction of the total generation was 187568 million units targetted capacity which include regular comprising of 128802 million units ther- monitoring of the projects by the Central mal, 5022 million units nuclear and 53744 Electricity Authority, efforts to expedite million units hydro. supply of equipment and materials, visits to project sites by engineers of the Central (b) Gross generation of 275.5 billion Electricity Authority to resolve problems units in the utilities is estimated in the and organising review meetings of agen- country during the terminal year of the cies concerned to coordinate project Seventh Five Year Plan Le. 1989-90 com- implementation. The need to obviate time prising 193.9 billion units thermal, 73 BU and cost over runs in project implementa- hydro and 8.6 BU nuclear. tion is also being constantly emphasised (c) The thermal, hydro and nuclear on State Authorities. STATEMENT Power Generation Schemes to be Commissioned during VII Plan

St. No. Region/Name of Scheme Benefits-MW 1 2 3

NORTHERN REGION 6649

1. Western Yamuna Canal H.E. Scheme . (Haryana) 48

2. Dadupur H.E. Scheme (Haryana) 10

3. Panipat Thermal Station Stage-II (Haryana) 220

4. Panipat Thermal Station Stage-III (-do-) 210

5. Andhra H.E. Scheme (HimaChal 17 Pradesh)

6. Rongtong H.E. Scheme (-do-) 2

7. Bhabha H.E. Scheme (-do-) 120

8. Thirot H.E. Scheme (-do-) 4.5

9. Upper Sindh H.E. Scheme Stage-II (J &K) 70 137 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 138

2 3

10. Karnah H.E. Scheme (J & K) 2

11. Stakana H.E. Scheme (-do-) 1.4

12. Mukerian H.E. Scheme (Punjab) 182

13. U.B.D.C. H.E. Scheme Stage-II (-do-) 45

14. Daudhar Mini Hydel Scheme (-do-) 1.6

15. Dhariwal H.E. Scheme (-do-) 2.4

16. Thuhi H.E. Scheme (-do-) 0.8

17. Rohti H. E. Scheme (-do-) 0.8

18. Nidhimpur H.E. Scheme (-do-) 0.8

19. Ropar Thermal Station Stage-II (-do-) 420

20. Anandpur Sahib H.E. Scheme (-do-) 134

21. Kota Thermal Station Ext. (Rajasthan) 210

22. Ramgarh Gas Turbine Station (-do-) 3

23. Mahi H. E. Scheme (-do-) 140

24. Mangrol H.E. Scheme (-do-) 6

25. Charanwala H.E. Scheme (-do-) 2

26. 5uratgarh H.E. Scheme (-do-) 4

27. Anoopgarh Canal H.E. Scheme (-do-) 9

28. Pugal H. E. Scheme (-do-) 2.1

29. Jakhan H.E. Scheme (-do-) 9

30. Maneri Shah H.E. Scheme Stage-II (Uttar Pradesh) 304

31. Anpara 'A' Thermal Station (Uttar Pradesh) 630

32. Tanda Thermal Station Uttar Pradesh 440

33. Unchahar Thermal Station (Uttar Pradesh) 420

34. Salal H.E. Scheme (Central 345 Sector)

35. Chamera H.E. Scheme (Central 180 Sector) 36. Singrauli Super Thermal Station (Central 1000 Stage-I Phase-II Sector) 139 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 140

2 3

37. Rihand Super Thermal Station (Central 1000 Sector)

38. Narora Atomic Power Project (Central 470 Sector)

WESTERN REGION 6531. 5

39 Ukai left Bank Canal H.E. Screme (Gujarat) 5

40. Kadana Pumped Storage H.E. Scheme (Gujarat) 120

41. Wanakbori Thermal Station Extn. (Gujarat) 630

42. Sikka Thermal Station (Gujarat) 120

43. Gandhi Nagar Thermal Station Ext. (Gujarat) 210

44. Hasdeo H.E. Scheme (Madhya Pradesh) 120

45. Bargo H. E.Scheme (Madhya Pradesh) 90

46. Korba West Thermal Station Extn. (Madhya Pradesh) 210

47. Sanjay Gandhi (Binsinghpur) Thermal Extn. (Madhya Pradesh) 210

48. Bansagar H.E. Scheme (Madhya Pradesh) 210

49. Bhira Tail Race H.E. Scheme (Maharashtra) 80

SO. Tillari H.E. Scneme (Maharashtra) 60

51. Pawana H.E. Scheme (Maharashtra) 10

52. Bhandardara H.E.Scheme (Maharashtra) 10

53. Khadakwasala H.E.Scheme (Maharashtra) 16

54. Bhatsa H.E. Scheme (Maharashtra) 15

55. Chandrapur Thermal Station Extn. (Maharashtra) 420

56. Uran Gas Station Ext. (Maharashtra) 324

57. Khaparkheda Thermal Station Extn. (Maharashtra) 420

58. Parli Thermal Station Extn. (Maharashtra) 210

59. Ujjani Pumped Storage H.E.Scheme (Maharashtra) -,2

60. Uran Gas Turbine Station Unit NO.8 (-do-) 108

61. Vaitarna H.E. Scheme (Maharashtra) 1.5 141 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 142

1 2 3

62. Panch H.E. Scheme (M.P.) 160 (Maharashtra)

63. Korba Super Thermal Station Extn. (Central 500 Sector)

64. Korba Super Thermal Stn. Extn. (Centra! 1000 Sector)

65. Vindhyachal Super Thermal Sti;. (Central 1260 Sector)

SOUTHERN REGION 5452.75

66. 8alimela H.E. Scheme (Andhra Pradesh) 60

67. Nagarjunsagar H.E. Scheme Stage-II (Andhra Pradesh) 60

68. Srisailam H.E. Scheme Stage-II (Andhra Pradesh) 330

69. Penna Ahobilam H.E. Scheme ~'!".ndhra Pradesh) 20

70. Nagariunsagar LB Canal H.E. Scheme (Andhra oradesh) 60

71. Nagaqunsagar RS Canal H.E. Scheme (Andhra Pradesh) 30

72. Pochampad H.E. Scheme (Andh"a Pradesh) 27

210 73. Vijaywada Thermal Station Ext. (Andhra Pradesh) 1.5 74. Kaketiya Canal H. E. Scheme (An'!'··.. a Pradesh)

I 239 75. Varahi Canal H.E. Scheme :{arnataka)

1')<~ 76. Supa Dam H.E. Scheme ~ f\.;'; l'lataka!

'Kp..;nataka) 32 77. Ghataprabha H.E.Scheme

~Karnataka) 210 78. Raichur Thermal Station

(Karnataka) 9 79. Wallapur H.E. Sch~m~ (Karnataka) 0.75 80. Kallma ~i~enerkal H.E. Scheme (Karnataka) 1 81. Sirwar H.E. Scheme

~V~rnataka) 175.5 82. Madur Branch H :::. Scheme & other MiniiMicro (Kerata) 75 83. idamalaya" ii.E. Scheme (Kerala) 50 ~. Kakkad H. E. Scheme Stage-II (Kerala) 390 85. Iddukki H.E. Scheme (Kerala) 15 86. Kallada H.E. Scheme 143 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 144

1 2 3 .. 87. Servalar H.E. Scheme (Tamil Nadu) 20

Ga. Kadamparai H.E. Scheme (Tamil Nadu) 400

89. Kundah H.E. Scheme Stage-V (Tamil Nadu) 20

90. Lower Mettur H.E. Scheme (Tamil Nadu) 120

91. Vaigai Micro H.E. Scheme (Tamil Nadu) 6

92. Pykara Micro H.E. Scheme (Tamil Nadu) 2

93. Lower Bhavani H.E. Scheme (Tamil Nadu) 8

94. Mettur Thermal Station (Tamil Nadu) 420

95. Mettur Thermal Stn. Extn. (Tamil Nadu) 210

96 Tuticorin Thermal Station Ext. (Tamil Nadu) 210

97 Ramagundam Super Thermal Stn. Ext. (Central 1000 Sector)

98. Neyveli 2nd Mene Cut Thermal Stn. (-do-) 210

99. Neyveli 2nd Mine Cut Thermal Stn. Ext. (Central 210 Sector)

100. Kalpakkam Atomic Power Project Unit-2 (Central 235 Sector)

EASTERN REGION 3182.60

101. ·Patratu Thermal Station Unit-19 (Bihar) 110

102. North Koel H.E. Scheme (Bihar) 24

103. Sone Western Link Canal H.E. Scheme (Bihar) 6.6

104. Eastern Gandak Canal H.E. Scheme (Bihar) 15

10t Muzzaffarpur Thermal Station Unit-2 (Bihar) 110"

106. Tenughat Thermal Station (Bihar) 210

107. Sone Eastern Link Canal H.E. Scheme (Bihar) 3.3

108. Upper Kolab H.E. Scheme (Orissa) 240

109. Hirakund H.E. Scheme Stage-III (Orissa) 37.5

110. Rengali H.E. Scheme (Orissa) 100

111. Potteru H.E. Scheme (Orissa) 6 145 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 146

1 2 3

112. Rengali H.E. Scheme Ext. (Orissa) 100

113. Rongnichu H.E. Scheme Stage-II (Sikkim) 2.5

114. Rimbi H.E. Scheme (Sikkim) 1

115. Ramman H.E. Scheme (West Bengal} 50

116. Kolaghat Thermal Station (West Bengal) 420

117. Kolaghat Thermal Station Ext. (West Bengal) 210

118. D.P.L. Thermal Station Ext. (West Bengal) 210

119. Teesta Canal H.E. Station (West Bengal) 22.5

120. Richington H.E. Station Augmentation (West Bengal) 1

121. Fazi H.E. Scheme Augmentation (West Bengal) 1.2

122. Panchet Hill H.E. Project (DVC) 40

123. Bokaro 'B' Thermal Station (DVC) 210

124. Bokaro 'B' Thermal Station Extn. (DVC) 420

125. Gas Turbine lDVe) 90

126. Farakka Super Thermal Stn. Stage-I (Central 630 Sector)

127. Diesel Scheme in A & N Islands 12

NORTH EASTERN REGION 429.40

128. Lower Borpani H.E. Scheme (Assam) 100

129. Lakwa Gas Station Ext. (Assam) 15

130. Chandrapur Thermal Station Ext. (Assam) 30

131. Bongaigaon Thermal Station (Assam) 60

132. Lakwa Thermal Station Phase-II (Assam) 60

133. Dhansiri H.E. Scheme (Assam) 20

134. Lokechao H.E. Scheme (Manipur) 1

135. Kaithalmanbi HE Scheme (Manipur) 0.6

136. Laimakhong HE Scheme (Manipur) 1

137. Nangsungkhang H.E. Scheme (Manipur) 1.5 0.4 138. Gelnel Micro H.E. Scheme (Manipur) 147 Written Answers MAY 5.1987 Written Answers 148

1 2 3

139. Booning H.E. Scheme (Manipur) 1

140. Diesel Sets (Manipur) 2

141. Dikhu H.E. Scheme (Nagaland) 1

142. Maharani H.E. Scheme (Tripura) 1

143. Baramura Gas Thermal Station (Tripura) 10

144. New Gas Turbine (Tripura) 10

145. Tago HE Scheme (Arunachal Pradesh) 4.5

146. 50ssa H .E. Scheme (Arunachal Pradesh) 1.5

147. Snail Hydels (Arunachal Pradesh) 3.6

148. Kapili H.E. Scheme (NEe) 100

149. Small Hydel (Mizoram) 0.9

150. Small Diesels (Mizoram) 5

Total (Utilities) == 22245.25 MW

Residential Accommodation to Postal THE MlNlSTER OF STATE IN THE ...d Telecom. Employ_ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): Postal 9028. PROF. NARAlN CHAND PARA- (a) Yes, Sir. SHAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state: (b) The allocations made for the Postal (a) whether any special effort has been Circles during the period under reference made during the last three years to provide are given in the Statement given below. residential accommodation to the Postal & Telecommunication employees during the (c) and (d). The satisfaction level at pres- Seventh Five Year Plan; ent in the postal Circles varies from 3 to 9 if we take the entire staff into account. How- (b) if so, the allocations made for this ever, consequent on increase of HRA, the purpose in each of the Postal Circles and number of actual applicants has declined. also the Telecommunication Circles and districts for each year; By the end of the 7th Plan, the Depart- ment expects to add about 3000 quarters. (c) the satisfaction level at present in This will not substantially raise the satisfac- each of these administrative units as on tion level. date and the satisfaction level proposed to be attained by the end of the Seventh Plan; Telecom. Information is being collected and from various units and will be laid on the table of the House as soon as tne same is (d) the details therefor? available. 149 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 150

STATEMENT Allocation made towards provisIon of resIdential accommodatIon m Department of Posts

Name of the Circle 84-85 85-86 86-87 (Expenditure) (Allocation)

(In crores) 1. Andhra Pradesh 1.60 1.48 0.63

2 Bihar 0.72 1.13 0.44

3. DeIhl 0.58 0.08 0.01 4. GUJarat 187 1.39 1.31

5. J&K o 13 0.03 0.21 6. Karnataka 146 1.87 0.99

7 Kerala 0.54 0.84 0.58

8. Madhya Pradesh 0.79 0.40 0.10

9. Maharashtra 1.10 1.61 1.24

10. North Eastern 0.28 0.59 0.57 11. North Western 0.42 0.55 0.34 0.46 0.35 12 Orissa 0.25 1.95 1.06 13 Rajasthan 1 88

1.03 1.30 14. Tam.I-Nadu 065 0.72 15. Uttar Pradesh 1 50 1.86

0.62 0.55 16. West Bengal 0.39

Total 14.16 15.89 10.40

MuHI Access Radio Relay System (b) Following technologies have been for Expansion of Telecom. adopted:- Services in Rural Areas (i) Multi-Access Rural Radio Sys- 9029. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- tem (MARA) SHAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- (ii) Small capacity electronic TIONS be pleased to state: Exchanges.

(a) whether Government have adopted (iii) Single channel VHF. any new technologies like the Multi Access Radio Relay System for the expan- (iv) Small capacity UHF. sion of telecommunication services in the Main features are given in the Statement rural areas; and qiven below. (b) if so, the main features thereof? STATEMENT IMPORTANT FfA TURfS OF:- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) MARR System MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: (a) Yes, (i) MARR system uses reliable radio media for transmission. Sir. 151 Written Answers.. MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 152 (ii) This system has been introduced not required to be Circulated to the share- for proyjdjng Telecom facility in holders under the Indian Companies Act remote, tribal and hilly areas which and rules made thereunder ; are inaccessible and where the conventional method of open-wire lines (b) if so, the reason, therefor; IS either not practicable or techni- cally non-feasible on account of power parallelism. (c) whether he is aware that thousands and even lakhs of shareholders of big com- (iii) This system enables Long Distance panies do not attend the Annual General Public Telephones within a radius Meetings due to distance or other factors of 50 Kms. and the meetings are held mostly on the authority of proxies only; (iv) Communication provided on this system is more stable as it is not (d) whether the ordinary shareholder is affected by weather. thus deprived of the happenings at the Annual General Meetings in the absence (v) Number of calls generated by LDPTs being very small, a small of any minutes or brief record being circu- number of radio channels serve a lated to there; and large group of LDPTs (Long Dis- tance Public Telephones). (e) if so, whether while next amending the above Act, Government will consider (b) Small Capacity Electronic Exchange. the desirability of making it mandatory on the Board of Directors to circulate such (i) Airconditioning is not required. min utes to the shareholders and if not, the reasons therefor? (ii) Has remote monitoring facilities.

(iii) Can work in tropical conditions. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- (iv) Has improved reliability. OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to ('01) Has in-built metering facility. (e). Under the Companies Act, 1956, the minutes of the annual general meetings of (c) Single Channel VHF. a company are not required to be circulated to its members. However, in terms of Provides reliable Single Channel pOint to section 196 of the Act, members are point radio media to remote and inacessible entitled to inspect the minutes of the pro- places. ceedings of general meetings and are also (d) Small Capacity UHF. entitled to be furnished with a copy of the minutes on payment of prescribed Provides group of trunk junctions on relia- charges. Accordingly, no amendment of ble radio media for rural exchanges as com- law ;s considered necessary. pared to open-wire lines. Joint Ventu,... with U.K. Finns

9031. DR. S.L. SHAILESH: Will the Min- ~on of Minutes of Annual General ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Meetings of the Companies (a) whether a 14-member delegation 9030. DR. B.L. SHAILESH: Will the Min- from the U.K. firms visited India towards ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: the end of last month on a trade miSSion to assess the scope for technology transfer, (a) whether the minutes of the Annual including institutional management organ- General Meetings of the companies are isation and training opportunities; 153 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 154 (b) whether this delegation also dis- and (b). The Central Govemment monitors cussed project funding and the establish- the functioning of the Public Distribution ment of jOint ventures in India; and System in the country through receipt of weekly, monthly and quarterly data from (c) the outcome of the discussions the States/UTs. Besides, senior Central which Government had with this trade Government Officers also pay periodic delegation and the nature of various offers, field visits to States/UTs, for an on the spot if any, made by the delegation? study of the Public Distribution System.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) and (d). The Government of Statesl DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- Union Territories have _,. been asked to OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- undertake a detailed review of the existing TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to arrangements, identify the deficiencies (c). Yes, Sir, a delegation from the Engi- and draw up a plan of action for streamlin- neering Industries Association, U.K. ing and strengthening the Public Distribu- visited India in the last week of March and tion System specially in the rural, tribal and early April, 1987. The delegation had dis- inaccessible areas and implement it within cussions with a number of Indian Compan- a time bound programme. ies to assess the scope of technology transfer and joint ventures. There was no The Central Government has advised all inter-action or discussion at Government the States and Union Territories to set up a level. No report has been received on the proper monitoring system at the block, dis- deliberations the delegation had in India as trict and State Headquarters to ensure it was a private delegation. availability of uptodate information regarding the supply of essential commodities to Setting up for agencies for monitoring fair price shops. Public Distribution System by States

9032. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA NARA- Requirement of Crude met by ONGC SHIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Minis- and Imports ter of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state: 9033. SHAI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- (a) whether there is any Central monitor- RAL GAS be pleased to state: ing agency to ensure effective functioning of the distributional system in the country; (a) the percentage of crude and crude oil requirement met by the Oil and Natural (b) if not, whether such an agency is Gas Commission and percentage met by proposed to be set up by the Union imports during the last three years; Government; (b) the value of imports during this (c) whether State Governments have period; and been advised to set up such agencies to monitor the public distribution system; (c) the names of the countries and com- and panies giving assistance to the Commis- sIon in the production of crude oil, nature (d) what other steps have been taken to of assistance and since when assisting? ensure effective public distribution system? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) BRAHMA DUTT): (a) The information is as 155 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 156 follows:- places of the country, particularly 10 Orissa, if so, the reasons thereof and Year %age of total ,.ge of total requirement indigenous action taken to purchase the paddy at the of crude oil reqUirement approved fixed rates, met by crude met by ONGC imports (b) the procurement target of paddy in Orassa by Food Corporation of India and to 1984-85 62.9 30.5 what extent they were achieved; 1985-86 626 31.3 1986-87 594 35.0 (c) the number of Fel depots and pur- (Prov.) chase centres functioning in Onssa from November, 1986 till February, 1987, Part of requirement of crude oil is met by month-Wise and district-wise and the OIL. quantity procured; and

(b) As. 9367 crores (Provisional). (d) the action taken and proposed to be taken to counter distress sale of paddy and (c) No outside assistance is being nce in that state in future? taken by ONGC in the production of crude oil. However there is constant THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE interaction with International MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- companies on development of new LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAO): (a) technologies, processes and R&D and (d). DUring the 1986-87 kharif market- programmes particularly enhanced oil In9 season no report of distress sale of recovery techniques. paddy has so far been received from any State, including Orissa. Paddy purchase Distress Sale of Kharif Paddy in 0 ...... centres have been opened by the F.C.I. and the State Governments and their agen- 9034. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will cies to extend price support of farmers. the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- LIES be pleased to state (b) No target IS fixed as paddy is procured to extend pnce support to farmers. (a) whether there have been large scale distress sales of Khant Paddy In vanous (c) A Statement IS given below.

STATEMENT

District wi•• detail. of Centres Operated/Quantity procured from November 1986 to February 1987

Name of Name of F.S.D. Qty. purchued Name of Regu- Oty. purcha- Revenue Procurement (Fig. In MTI.) lated Market led (Fig. In District centre. procurement MTs.) centres

1 2 3 5

Koraput FSD Umerl Dabugaon 13.0

FSD Rayagada Nawrangpur

SWC Rayagada Gunupur 157 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

1 2 3 4 5

FSD Nawrang- pur

SWC Nawrangpur

Kalahandi FSD Kesinga Junagarh 4.6

SWC Khariar Road Dharamgarh

FSD Khariar Narla

Bolangir FSD Dungiripalli Dungiripalli 88.5

swe Titligarh Banka 70.5

swe Kantabanji Rampur 48.6

swe Bolangir Chudapah 5.8

Kantaban)",

Sambalpur FSD Jharsuguda Satlama 10.8

FSD Hirakud Gudubhaga 16.8

FSD BahJhari Attablra 1.4

ewe Sambalpur Barpah 5.1

swe Attabira Sehru Tlkra

FSD Attab.ra Balgarh

Balasore FSD Ranital Chandabali

FSD Rupsa

FS[;) Jaleswar

SWC Bhadrak

GanJam FSD Phulbam Parlekhemundi

ewe Berhampur

Total 265.1 159 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 160

ScM:Ity of Petroleum Products In 0 ..... (a) the number of applications from Ker- and West Bengal ala for issue of letters of intent/industrial licences recommended by the State 9035. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will Government which are pending with the Minister of PETROLEUM AND Union Government; and NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: (b) the reasons for delay in granting let- (a) whether some States, particularly ters of intent/industrial licences? Orissa and West Bengal are facing scarcity of petroleum products and diesel oil; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- (b) if so, whether Government have OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- received any complaint in this respect; and TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and (b). As on 29.4.1987, SIX Industrial Licence (c) if so, the details thereof and the rea- applications received under the provisions, of Industries (Development and sons for the shortage? Regulation) Act, 1950 for locating Indus- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tries in Kerala State were at various stages MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- of proceSSing. It is the constant endeavour RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN of the Government to dispose of all pend- THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ing Industrial Licence applications as BRAHMA DUTI): (a) to (c). No reports of expeditiously as possible. To ensure this, general scarcity of petroleum products in the procedures have been further the States of Orissa and West Bengal and streamlined. complaints relating thereto have been received in the recent past. Development of Kattakkada Telephone Exchange in Ke~a Earlier some shortages occurred in 9037. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Minis- Orissa due to rail transportation constraint ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to in replenishing supplies to depots in Bala- state: sore, Cuttack and Rourke'a in February, 1987; power faitures at Cuttack and Bala- (a) whether Government have taken any sore and load shedding at Rourkela in steps for the development of Kattakkada March, 1987. In West Bengal industrial telephone exchange in Kerala; and relations problem faced by IOC and IBP Co. and heavy rains in some areas in Sep- (b) if so, the details thereof? tember, 1986 and goods transporters strike in November, 1986, disrupted normal flow THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of supplies to some parts of the State. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV) : (a) Yes, Alternative measures were taken to meet Sir. the situation as far as possible, and the position normalised thereafter. (b) 90 line small capacity Exchange at Kattakkada is planned to be upgraded to a PendIng ApplIcatIons tram K.... for 200 line small capacity exchange during ..... of IeIterI of Intentllndualrtlll 7th Plan. 1eaI_ Air PoIutIon In Jtwta-Aanlpnl 9036. SHRI T. BASHEER: Coal Belt SHRI SURESH KURUP: 9038. SHAI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to pleased to state: state: 161 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 162

(a) whether air pollution in the Jharia - iii} In major Coal Handling Plants Raniganj coal belt bordering Bihar and and major dust generating acti- West Bengal has become a health hazard; vity centres, properly deSigned dust extraction and dust separa- (b) whether according to recent studies tion installations are proposed. conducted by the Dhanbad based Central This would control suspended Mining Research Station, pollutants in the particulate matter and improve air of the area far exceeded the permissible air quality. limits; and iv) Considerable air pollution is (c) if so, the remedial measures pro- caused by road transportation. posed to check pollution by collieries? Steps are on hand to improve the road network in Jharia Coalfield and thiS would contribute to THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- improve air quality. ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b). Increased V) CMPDI IS developing smokeless Industrial activity in Jharia and Raniganj coc¥ and commercial introduc- coalfields due to mining and other indus- tion of this type of coal would tries like thermal power stations, fertiliser minimise air pollution. plants. steel plants, refractory manufacturers, lead smelters and ancillary industries vi) The detailed environmental stu- are affecting air quality. Studies carried out dies proposed for Jharia and by Central Mining Research Station, Dhan- Ranlganj Coalfields would ena- bad in Jharia-Raniganj area have revealed ble the development of a holistic that 'dust fall' and 'suspended articulate control strategy. matter' are In excess of prescribed standards but gases like sulphur dioxide, nitrogen OXides and sulphatlon are well Within Misuse/Misappropriation of Telephone prescribed "mlts. Items and Equipment In Delhi

(c) Coal India Limited and its subSidiar- 9039. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the Minister Ies have taken the following measures.- of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state

I) Environmental Management (a) whether there have been instances Plans are Invariably prepared for of misuse/misappropriation I clandestine the new coal prOjects which take sale of telephone items and equipment in mto account the impact of coal Deihl: mining on the landscape, flora and vegetation, Wildlife and (b) if so, the details of these cases and fauna, on water quality, micro whether any Investigation has been held; meterologlcal parameters, hydro- logical regime and on noise (c) whether action has been taken levels. against officers found guilty; and

ii) Mechanised Soft Coke making (d) other steps taken by Government in Plant at Mugma, developed by this regard? Central Mine Planning & Design Institute has been successful and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE adoption of this technology MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS would permit minimising air (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) Yes, pollution; Sir. 163 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 164

(b) and (c). Two such instances have (b) if so, the number of such forest based come to notice durinQ the last one year. A industries which have been set up in differ- theft of 1~A Relay springs with platinum ent states during the last three years; contacts was detected in August, 1986 during testing the equipment. Investigations (c) whether Government have a prop- into this case were made but no responsi- osal to increase the number of forest- bility could be fixed. based industries in the Seventh Five Year Pian; In the other case, some old store-items like Arrestors & Heateoil strips and Test (d) if so, the number of such forest based Jacks were reported removed from Karol industries which are proposed to be set up Bagh Exchange unauthorisedly.lnvestiga- in the States of Karnataka and Orissa dur- tions into this case are in progress. Ing the Seventh Five Year Plan period; and

(d) The supervising officers have been (e) the details of their locations, esti- instructed to exercise stricter vigil over the mated costs and the expected time for staff, more so during slack hours. commercial production? Fo.... bII88d Inutries THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 9041. SHRI H.B. PATIL: DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and Will the Minister of I NDUSTRY be (b). Four paper/newsprint mills, which are pleased to state: based mainly on utilisation of forest raw materials, are in operation in the Central (a) whether Government have set up Public Sector in different states as indi- forest based industries in various states; cated below:

Name of the State No. of Mills Item of Manufacture

1. Assam 1 Writing and printing paper

2. Kerala 1 Newsprint

3. Madhya Pradesh 1 Newsprint

4. Nagaland 1 Writing. printing & Kraft paper

Out of the above, the paper mill located in (d) and (e). Ministry of Industry has no Assam commenced production in proposal to set up any forest-based indus- October, 1985, while the remaining mills try in the Central Public Sector during the are in operation for more than three years. Seventh Five Year Plan in the States of Karnataka and Orissa. (c) One more paper mill based mainly on utilisation of forest raw materials is being Complaints received by Election Com- set up in the Central Public Sector in the mission and Chief Electoral Officers In State of Assam, which is likely to be com- recent Assembly and bye-electionl missioned during the current financial year. 9042. DR. A.K. PATEL: 165 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 166

SHAI BALWANT SINGH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AAMOOWALlA: DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- SHAI TEJA SINGH DAADI: PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) to (d). Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE Decisions regarding location of Central be pleased to state: Public Enterprises are taken by the Government on broad techno-economic (a) the number and nature of complaints consideration and it cannot be predeter- received by the Election Commission and mined on a state-wise basis. by the Chief Electoral Officers in various States related to elections and bye- Shortfall In Industrial Output elections held in various States on March 23, 1987; 9044. DR. V. VENKA TESH: Will the Min- ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) the action taken thereon; and (a) whether there hE been shortfall in (c) the steps being formulated to elimi- output as against the target of the Sixth nate all such complaints in future? Five Year Plan in various industries, particularly in manufacturing industry: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI (b) if so, the reasons therefor; H.A. BHARDWAJ): (a) The details of the complaints are still under compilation by (c) what is the percentage overall average the Election Commission in consultation growth rate in the industrial sector for the with the Chief Electoral Officers of the Seventh Plan; and States concerned. (d) the steps Government have taken to (b) and (c). These will arise only after the achieve the target fixed for the Seventh complaints have been compiled and Plan? analysed.

SeHing up of New Public Sector THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Industries DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- 9043. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and SHRt DtLEEP SINGH BHUAIA: (b). A few industries have shown shortfall in achieving their Sixth Five Year Plan Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be targets. This has been mainly due to raw- pleased to state: material, infrastructural and demand con- straints as alSQ labour unrest in certain (a) the proposals under Government's cases. consideration for setting up new public sector industries in the country, State- wise; (c) and (d). The Seventh Plan aims at an overall annual average growth rate of over (b) whether Government propose to set 8 per cent in the industry sector. In accor- up a few of them in Rajasthan and Madhya dance with the strategies for the Seventh Pradesh; Plan, Government is taking various steps towards restructuring of industry, efficient (c) if so, the details thereof; and use of capital, improvement of infrastructural faCilities and modernisation & upgra- (d) if not, the reasons therefor? dation of technology. 167 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 168

Increase In Salaries of Public Sector LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) Executives and (b). No. Sir. Monthly levy sugar quotas are not allotted on the basis of demand/re- 9045. SHRI NITYANANDA MISRA: quest received from State Governments/ SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: Union Territories but on certain uniform norms. The monthly levy sugar quota of Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Madhya Pradesh has been increased from pleased to state: 23,276 tonnes to 25,031 tonnes per month from February, 1987. The pattern of alloca- (a) whether Government have increased tion to the Public Distribution System the pay, DA and other allowances of public within the State is decided by the State sector executives; Governments themselves with reference te local requirements such as urban area, (b) if so, to what extent such increase rural areas, tribal areas and circumstances, has been made and from which date; and on the basis of norms fixed by them.

9047. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE WARI: Will the Minister of FOOD AND DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state: PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (a) the quantity of wheat and nce pro- TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) to (c) cured in 1986-87 as against the targets There is no increase in the dearness allo- fixed; wance and other allowances of the public sector executives. However, ad hoc relief (b) the targets fixed for 1987-88; and has been sanctioned for chief Executives, Functional Directors, Executives and (c) the efforts being made to achieve the Supervisors not governed by wage settle- targets? ment in public sector undertakings following the industrial DA pattern. The ad hoc THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE relief ranges from Rs. 1500/- to Rs. 2500/- DEPARTMENT OF FOOD AND CIVIL in respect of Chief Executives and Func- SUPPLIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD). tional Directors and from Rs. 120/- to Rs. (a) to (c). No targets are fixed, as wheat 1200/- in respect of others. and paddy are procured under price sup- AdcItIonaI Quota of Sugar for Madhya port and rice is procured under levy on Pradesh millers and dealers. The procurement during the 1986-87 Rabi (April-March) and 9046. SHRI PARASRAM BHARADWAJ : Kharif (October-September) marketing Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL seasons was 10.53 million tonnes of wheat SUPPLIES be pleased to state: and 8.65 million tonnes of rice (as on 30.4.87). (a) whether Madhya Pradesh Govern- ment has requested for additional quota of Inter-State DIsput_ Regarding at.'Ing 0' sugar to meet the needs of people living in Power among Rajaathan, Punjab and rural and tribal areas; and Himachal Pradeah

(b) if so, the details thereof and decision 9048. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN taken in the matter? Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to refer to the reply given to Un starred Ques- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion No. 7912 on 17 April, 1984 regarding MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- Inter-State disputes regarding share of 169 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

power among Rajasthan, Punjab and Him- tion during the Seventh Plan period, mter- achal Pradesh and State: alia, include:-

(a) the inter-State disputes relating to Renovation and modernisation the share of Rajasthan with Punjab and programme at 34 thermal sta- Himachal Pradesh regarding hydel pro- tions in the country. jects VIZ., Nathpa-Jhakri, Kol, Anandpur Sahib, Thein, Mukenan, Shahpur, Kandi, Assistance to State Electricity uaDC Stage-II and Chamera, Boards on matters such as training of power sector personnel. (b) whether Union Government will take due care to safeguard the interests of Raj- Supply of requisite quality and asthan; and quantity of coal.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The thermal power generation pro- DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- jected for the terminal year of Seventh Plan ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHI LA is 193.9 billion units which is an increase of ROHTAGI): (a) The State Governments of 95.1 billion units over the actual thermal Rajasthan, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, generation In the terminal year of the Sixth J&K and Punjab have submitted memo- Plan. randa regarding their claims in respect of benefits from the Anandpur Sahib, Thein Use of New Technology tor Renewable Dam, Mukenan, Shahpur Kandi and Energy Sources USDC Stage II Hydro-electric Projects. 9050. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: (b) and (c). In respect of central projects Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to and JOint ventures the shanng of power Will state' be tn conformity with the Central formula. (a) whether the Department of Non- Conventional Energy Sources (ONES) has Thennal Power Generation prepared a perspective plan for renewable energy sources; 9049. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (b) whether a number of technologies in state: the field of renewable energy have become mature and useable in recent years; (a) whether any steps have been taken by Government to increase thermal power (c) if so, the steps proposed to be taken generation during the Seventh Plan; in the coming years to make use of these new technologies; and (b) if so, the thermal power generation projected for the Seventh Plan; and (d) the details of the plan allocations for the renewable energy sources during the (c) the steps taken to achieve the target years 1985-86, 1986-87 and 1987-88? projected for the Seventh Plan? THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI VASA NT SATHE): (a) Yes, Sir. VASANT SATHE): (a) and (c). The steps taken to increase thermal power genera- (b) Yes, Sir. 171 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 172

(c) It is proposed to increase the wide- during the last three oil years is as follows: spread utilisation of technologies. systems and devices which are mature and usable on a mass scale such as biogas plants. Oil Year Quantity improved smokeless chulhas, solar ther- (Nov-Oct) (in lakh tonnes) mal energy applications. wind power, bio- mass power, solar photovoltaics for small 1984-85 t3.68 power uses especially in remote areas 1985-86 11.79 etc: to intenSify research and development 1986-87 4.64 in these as well as other areas to bring (Upto March, 1987) newer technologies to the stage of commercial viability: to install increasing capacity of power and heat production Gap between Demand and Supply of sources and systems based on renewable Coal sources of energy particularly in the rural areas and to increasingly energise the vil- 9052. SHAI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK: lages using combinations of locally availa- Will the Minister of ENEAGY be pleased to ble renewable sources of energy. The pace state: of this expansion will depend on the financial allocations made for this area. (a) whether there is a wide gap between the demand and supply of various types of (d) The plan allocations for non- coal in the country; conventional energy sources for the years 1985-86 to 1987-88 are as follows: (b) if so, to what extent; and

1985-86 As. 119.35 crores (c) the details of demand and supply of 1986-87 Rs. 125.00 crores coal dunng 1986-87, State-wise? 1987-88 Rs. 100.00 crores THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- Import and AllOCation of Imported ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHAI Edible Oils VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). Overall demand of coal In the country ;s assessed 9051. DA. V. VENKA TESH: Will the Min- by the Planning Commission for the core ister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be sector namely Power houses, Railways, pleased to state: Steel Plants, Cement Plants and Fertilizer Plants. The demand of other different sec- (a) the quantity of imported edible oils tor consumers IS assessed by the con- allocated to the States during January, cerned sponsoring authorities. The 1987; and sponsoring authOrities are not Statewise but industrywise i.e. DGTD., Indian Sugar (b) the quantity of edible oils imported Mills Association, Ind.an Cotton Mills Fed- during the last three years? eration for Textile Mills etc., and hence only sectorwise demand assessments are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE made and sponsored. MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- LIES (SHAI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) As regards Coal demand of Steel sector The quantity of imported edible oils allo- during 1~87, except for Prime Coking cated to States/UTs under Public Distribu- Coal, there was no difficulty in meeting full tion System during January, 1987, was demand of Steel Plants. Shortfall of prime 41050 MTs. coking coal.s beillg met by imports. In the case of other sectors, the percentage of (b) The quantity of edible oils imported demand satisfaction has also been very 173 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 174 high as revealed from the table given ration are published by the Indian Invest.. below: ment Centre as a supplement to their monthly news magazine. Copies of this publication are sent to Parliament Library Sector Percentage of demand regularly. satisfaction (b) Statistical Information regarding (i) Power 95.4~ state-wise break-up of foreign collaboration approvals is not maintained in Secre- (ii) Railways 89.7% tariat for Industrial Approvals.

(iii) Cement 90.8% Headqu.... of Public SecIDr lInIt.

(iv; Fertiliser 85.6% 9054. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (v) BRK/Captive Power Plants/Others 92.4% (a) the names of Holding Companies of the Public Sector Units. which have their headquarters in Deihl; and Sectorwise Coal demand is assessed at the beginning of the year based on (b) the names of Holding Companies anticipated growth, commissioning of whose headquarters have been shifted new units etc. Since it is only derived from Delhi? demand, it is usuaUya little higher than the actual coal requirement. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- There have been occasional cases of PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDU~ shortfall in certain areas due to various TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY):

(a) the industry-wise break-up of foreign 3. Minerals & I\,4etals Trading Cor- collaboration proposals approved during poration of India Ltd. 1983; and 4. Indian Oil Corporation Ltd. (b) the State-wise break-up of these foreign collaboration proposals? 5. Indian Airlines.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 6. National Textile Corporation Ltd. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- 7. State Tradang Corporation of TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : (a) India Ltd. Government has approved 673 foreign collaboration proposals in the year 1983. 8. Steel Authority of India Ltd. Details of all foreign collabOrations, showing the names of 'ndian and foreign finns, No Holding company has shifted out item of manufacture and nature of collabo- from Delhi recently. 175 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 176

UtlHsation of techniques of Improving nitrogen infusion, introduction of new coal resources methods of mining like hydraulic mining, wide stall mining, blasting gallery method, 9055. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will the mechanised bord and pillar method of Mtnister of ENERG Y be pleased to state: mining employing load haul dumpers and side discharge loaders alongwith chain (a) the details of utilisation of the tech- conveyors etc. are some of the schemes mques for Improving coal resources, the undertaken under the S & T plan for coal rational and effiCient exploitation, benefi- conservation. ciation, transportation found out by the Central Fuel Research Institute, Dhanbad, (c) A detailed project report is under Central Mining Research Station, Dhan- preparation for setting up a demonstration bad and the Regional Research Labora- facility for slurry transportation of coal tory, Bhubaneswar etc ; under Indian conditions. The economics of such transportation vis-a-vis conven- (b) the details of the schemes under- tional methods will be known only after the taken for the conservation of coal under demonstration project is commissioned. the science and technology plan; and

(C) how far the technology of the slurry Flacal Incentives under Energy transportation of coal and other materials Conl8l'Yation Programme has red uced the cost of production of coal? 9056. SHRI K.V. SHANKARA GOWDA: THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- SHRI H.N. NANJE GOWDA: ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) Work done by Cen- Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased tral Mining Research Station, Dhanbad in to state the nature of the fIscal incentIves proposed to be given under energy con- developing models for predicting strata servation programme? behaviour has led to development of mining methods for working thick split and part developed seams, wide stall method THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of mining under built up structures, nar- DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- row panel mining, cross slicing applicable ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHILA to Steep seams etc. Subsidence investiga- ROHTAGI): A survey IS in progress to tions done by CMRS have been found use- assess the effectiveness of the existing fiS- ful in extraction of substantial quantities of cal incentives and the need for enlarging coal below surface structures. the scope thereof to encourage industries to adopt energy conservation measures. The work of Central Fuel Research Insti- The fiscal incentives already in operation tute, in coal utilisation has led to conserva- mainly include the concession of 100 per tion of prime coking coal in the steel cent depreciation allowance on certain plants. Oil agglomeration for benefication energy saving devices under the provi- of coal developed by CFRI has been suc- sions of the Income Tax Rules and certain cessfully translated Into a pilot plant. Customs Duty/Excise Duty concessions in respect of fuel efficient vehicles. Work done by Regional Research laboratory, Bhubaneswar in tt)e areas of coal Perfonnance of Oil Companies beneficiation and transportation may also be found useful commercially. 9057. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL (b) Control of underground mine fires by GAS be pleased to state: 177 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 178

(a) whether Government have been (C) whether such campaign has been monitoring performance of oil launched in the rural areas of Karnataka; companies; and

(b) if so, the names of the oil companies (d) IT so, how many districts of Karnataka which are paying dividends regularly ~ have been covered under this campaign?

(c) whether any all company is running THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE under loss; MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) (d) if so, the reasons therefor, and Yes, Sir

(e) the steos taken to improve the perfor- (b) The programmt: •las been launched mance of such companies? in all the States through 17 Central teams.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) Yes, SIr. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN (d) Ten districts. THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRt Sellng up of Coal Dlvt.Ion In 0 ... BRAHMA DUTT): (a) Yes, Sir. 9059. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: (b) Oil & Natural Gas Commission, Oil SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: India Ltd., Indian Oil Corporation Ltd., Hm- dustan Petroleum Corporation Ltd., Bha- \\'111 the Minister of ENERGY be pleased rat Petroleum Corporation Ltd., Madras to state: Refineries Ltd., Cochm Refineries Ltd. (except for 1985-86); Lubrizol India Ltd., (a) tne details of the quantity of coal pro- Engineers India Ltd., IBP Company Ltd., duced in Orissa during the last three years; Balmer Lawrie & COlTloany Ltd. (b) the details of the schemes and pro- (c) to (e). Biecco LaWrie Ltd. ha5. been grammes to be implemented to increase running under loss for various reasons viz. coal production in the State during the low capacity utilisation, obsolesence of Seventh Plan; products, old equipments and plant. reces- sion in motors' market and unsatisfactory (c) whether Government propose to industrial relations. Plans for the rehabilita- establish Coal Division in Orissa; and tion of a company have since been arawn up by the company under advice from the (d) if so, the details thereof? Ministry and they are under examination. THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- 'SIIVe G.... n ea ....lgn' In KeI'lNlbllal ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) Coal production in 9058. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA NARA- the State of Orissa in the last three years is SIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Minister as tollows:- of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be (Figures in million tonnes) pleased to state:

19~85 5.44 (a) whether his Ministry has launched 'Save Grain Campaign' in the country; 1985-86 6.04 (b) if so, the states where such Centrally 1986-87 7.08 (Prov.) sponsored campaign has been launched so far: 179 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 180

(b) Besides increasing the production in debated upon on a national scale. A study the existing mines and starting production has been commissioned by the Board to in the sanctioned mines, -new projects prepare a draft legislation on the subject. namely Samleswari O/C. Ananta O/C. Lak- The Board ~as also emphasised the need hanpur OIC, Nandira, Lingaraj and for a separate organisation to promote Kalinga. We are also being planned to energy conservation in the country. boost the level of coal production in the state of Orissa. As a result the production (c) The question of having an energy is expected to reach a level of 12.85 million conservation law is still in its nascency. The tonnes by 191&W which is the terminal suggestion of having a separate organisa- year of the 7th Plan. tion for energy conservation is under examination. (c) No Sir. (d) Since both the recommendations (d) Does not arise. are yet to be examined, it is not possible to comment on the effect of the same at this CnNIIIon of • separate Organisation for stage. energy conaervatlon Vlndhyachal Protect 9060. SHRI M.V. CHANDRASEKHARA 9061. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: MURTHY: SHRI H.N. NANJE GOWDA: SHRI BRAJA MOHAN MOHANTY: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased DR. G.S. RAJ HANS: to state:

Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased (a) whether Indo:-Soviet Working Group to state: on power which concluded its meeting on 3rd April. 1987 had discussed measures to whether the Advisory Board on speed up the construction of Vindhyachal Energy has recommended enactment of a project so that the first two units of 210 MW law and creation of a separate organisa- each are commissioned during 1987-88; tion for energy conservation in the country: (b) if so; the detailed project report in regard to the Kahalgaon project; (b) the important recommendations of the ABE; (c) whether any agreement in this regard is likely to be signed in near future; (c) whether the recommendations of the and ABE have since been accepted by Govern- ment; and (d) if so, the likely salient features thereof? (d) to what extent the recommendations THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of the ABE will play a catalytiC role in DEPARTMENT OF peWER IN THE MIN- energy conservation? ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHTAGI):

(a) whether proposal put forward by the (e) whether private sector will be given consortium of industrial units in Tamil preference in the development of the Nadu to execute a 210 MW thermal power telecommunications? project in Tuticorin has been considered by Government; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (b) if so, whether Union Government (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) Pri- have not so far cleared the project; and vate sector has been permitted to manufacture terminal equipment like Telephone (C) if so, the reasuns thereof? instruments, PABXs, Teleprinters, Key- phones, Video display units, Teletext THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE equipment etc. for use in the Telecom Net- DEPARTMENT OF POINER IN THE MIN- work. In addition, private sector also ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI manufactures local cables required for SUSHILA ROHTAGI): (a) to (c). The the telecommunication network. Government of Tamil Nadu had proposed the setting up of Extension Stage-II (b) Out of the approved outlay of As. (2x210 MW) at the Tuticorin Thermal 4010 crores for the 7th Plan period, the Power Station through a joint-sector com- total need of equipment for telecommuni- pany formed with the participation of a cation services is of the order of As. 3,000 consortium of private industrialist. The crores. observations of the Central Electricity Authority were conveyed to the State (c) Around 92 private parties have been authorities in September, 1986 for submit- licensed to manufacture terminal equip- ting a detailed proposal, which is awaited. ment for the Department of Telecommuni- cations. In addition 5 private parties have Prtvate Sector In the Development of been ISSUed licence or letter of intent for Telecommunication Network manufacture of cables for telecom network. 9063. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: SHRI S.M. GURADDI: (d) Over 90% of the requirements of the Department of Telecommunications are Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- met by public sector. TIONS be pleased to state: l e) The policy of the Govt. in this regard (a) whether Government have offered has been brought out in the statement 183 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 184

made in the Parliament by the then Dy. the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Minister for Electronics on 23rd March, pleased to state: 1984. (a) whether Goverl"ment have prepared InCI'88M In PrIces of PoIy.tar Filament a scheme this year to issue commemora- Yam Md Poly_tar Fibre tive postal stamps in the name of famous freedonl fighters and other prominent 9064. DR. S.L. SHAILESH: Will the Min- persons; ster of I NDUSTRY be pleased to state:

(b) if so, the details thereof and if not, (a) whether the Polyester Filament Yam the reasons therefor; and Polyester Fibre units have pushed up prices for the third time in four months of the current year; (c) whether there has been a demand for the last many years to issue a commemor- (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and ative postal stamp in the name of great martyr Chandra Shekhar Azad and for (c) the steps Government propose to which an assurance was also given by take to check this increase in prices and Government; and prevent the monopoly manufacturing units from making huge profits? (d) If so, the action taken in this regard?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND rHE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PETROCHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA (SHAI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) Yes, SINGH): (a) and (b). The prices of Polyes- Sar. ter Filament Yarn and Polyester Staple Fibre fluctuate from time to time. In the recent months, there has been an increase (b) Details are placed in the Statement in prices, particularly of Polyester Filament given below. Yarn. (c) and (d). There has been a proposal There is no price control on these for Issue of a commemorative postage products. stamp in the name of great martyr Chan- (c) SICP has initiated a cost price study dra Shekhar Azad and the Philatelic Advi- of Polyester Filament Yarn and Polyester sory Committee, which functions in the Staple Fibre. Depending upon the findings Department to adVise the Government of SICP, suitable measures will be taken regarding Issue of commemorative/speat the appropnate time, If considered Cial stamps and other related matters, has necessary. already recommended to bring out a com- memoratIve stamp on thiS personality [Translation] under the series "India's Struggle for Free- dom". However, decision regarding the Issue of Commemorative Postal Stamps date of release has yet to be taken. ThiS in the name of Freedom Fighters matter Will therefore, be p~aced before the Philatelic Advisory Committee for consI- 9065. SHAI VIJOY KUMAR YADAV: Will deration, at its next meeting. 185 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 186

STATEMENT List of Freedom Fighters arrd prom/rent persons on vYtllch stamps have been IssuedJpropOS9d to be issued durmg nlS year (1987) ------S. No Name of personality Date of Issue

1. HakIm Aj'lla! Khan 13-12-87

Lala Hardayal 2. 18-3-87

3. M N Roy 21-3-87

4. Tnpuranenl Ramaswamy Chowdary 25-4-87

5. Shree Shree Ma Anandarnayee 1-5-87

6 Chwatrasal

7 Guru Ghasl {Jas

8 Hlrday Nath Kunzru

9 J Knshnamurtl

10 K N Kat,u

11. Madan Lal L)hmgra

12 Rabmdra Nath Tagore

13 S. Satyarnurthy

14 St Harchand Smgh Longowal

15 Thakur Anukulchandra

[English] drugs and formulations are fixed as per the provisions of DPeQ, 1979 which operate Prices of Sulk Drugs as cellmg prices. However, the market prices fluctuate due to vanat,on in availability 9066. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI: Will the and aemand of IndiVidual products. Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state:

(b) The prices ot following drugs have (a) whether It IS a fact that pnces of bulk reportedly fallen dUring the past six drugs, and their formulations have come months. down significantly; and 1. Analgan (b) .f so, the details thereof and the extent of reduction? 2. AmpICillin

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3. Ethambutol DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS IN THE MINISTFlY 4. Ibuprofen OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Prices of price controlled bulk 5. Amoxycilhn 187 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 188

Use of LPG by Taxi Drivers (e) the number of samples tested in the country so far in the last three years and 9067. SHRI C. MADHAV REDOI: Will the number out of them found substand- the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- ard and the number of dealers punished? RAL GAS be pleased to refer to reply given to Unstarred Question No. 882 on 3 ~rch, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 1987 regarding modification of automo- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- bile engines to run on natural gas and RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN state: THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) Only Indian Oil Cor- (a) whether it is a fact that a few years poration has mobile laboratories and its back the taxi drivers in Delhi and else- proposal for a prototype mobile laboratory where had started using LPG cylinders in was approved by IOC Management in place of petrol; and April, 1984. Apart from this, another four nobile laboratories were approved by IOC (b) whether the use of LPG in place 0\ Management in Feb., 1986. petrol was banned instantly and if so, the reasons for the ban? (b) No specific time frame for the prototype laboratory was laid down. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NA TU- (c) The total expenditure incurred (both RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN non-recurring & recurring) so far is As. 27 THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHAI lakhs. Apart from a non-recurring addi- BRAHMA DUTT): (a) No, Sir. tional expenditure of Rs. 9 lakhs, a recurring expenditure of As. 2 lakhs will be (b) Does not arise in view of (a) above. incurred per laboratory per annum.

(d) The Mobile laboratory in Western Indian 011 CorporatIon MobIle Region became operational from May, L.abonItortes 1985. The mobile laboratories in the North- ern and North-Eastern Regions became 9068. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI : Will the operational in April, 1987. Those of the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL Eastern and Southern Regions will GAS be pleased to refer to the reply given become operational in the current month. to Starred Question No. 9 on 24 February, 1987 regarding IOC mobile laboratories (e) A total of 2431 samples were tested for petroleum products and state: by the mobile laboratory in Western Region during the period from May, 1985 (a) when the proposal for mobile labora- to March, 1987. Out of these, 23 samples tories was first approved by Indian Oil Cor- were found substandard. Action in line poration and other public sector with the provisions contained in the Mar- petroleum companies; keting Discipline Guidelines was taken against the dealers whose samples were (b) what was the time-frame of the found off-specifications. In other regions, approved project and whether this have no mobile laboratory was in operation dur- been adhered to; ing this period.

(c) the total expenditure incurred so far and how much more is to be incurred both Production of 01 and Natural Gas In recurring and non-recurring; Gujarat

(d) when these laboratories are 9069. SHRI RANJIT SINGH GAEK- expected to become fully operational; and WAD: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 189 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 190

AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: ural gas at Gandhar off Cambay? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) the total production of oil and natural MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- gas in Gujarat during 1985 and 1986 and RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN royalty on the produce given by Oil and THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHAt Natural Gas Commission to Gujarat State BRAHMA DUTT): (a) The production of fpr these two years; and crude oil and natural gas by ONGC during 1985-86 and 1986-87 from Gujarat are as (b) the estimated potential of oil and nat- follows:

1985-86 1986-87

Crude oil (MMT) 4.319 4.561

Natural gas (MMmJ) 919 934

The royalty paid by ONGC to the GUJarat State Government for 1985-86 IS as follows: (In Rs/lakhs)

Year Crude 011 & Natural Total Condensate Gas

1985-86 8189.75 213.11 8402.86

1986-87 8603.98 162.54 8766.52 (provIsional)

(b) The Gandhar field is still under ment of International telex service not only delineation. in Gujarat but in other parts of India is a continuous activity. Improvement In International Talex 58r vices In Gujarat (b) No Sir.

9070. SHRI RANJIT SINGH GAEK- (c) Does not arise in view of (b). WAD: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state: Telephone System In Tamil NIIdu (a) whether Government propose· to improve international telex services in Gujarat; 9071. SHAI P.A.S. VENKATESAN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (b) whether Government have received pleased to state the improvements pro- any representation in this regard from posed to be made in the telephone system Chambers of Commerce or Federation of in Tamil Nadu? Mills and Industries from Gujarat; and

(c) if so, the details thereof and Govern- THE MINJSTER OF STATE IN THE ment's reaction in the matter? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): Steps pro- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE posed to improve the telecom. services in MINISTAY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAI Tamil Nadu are given in the Statement SONTOSH MOHAN DE",: <8> Improve- given below. 191 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 192

STATEMENT (b) if so, the reasons thereof? Steps taken to improve the te/ecom THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE services in Tamil Nadu MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRt SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) and For maintaining good customers (b). As a general procedure, the work load relations, field units have been and financial position of post offices are directed to hold ·'Know Thy Ser- periodically revieWed. Post Offices which vice" meets with different cross are found to have insufficient work or to be sections of the customers in incurring losses beyond the prescribed Tamil Nadu to discuss and red- limits may not be continued unless the ress their grievances across the concerned Head of Circle decides to retain table. any such office for special reasons. This position holds good for post offices in 2. For staff coming in contact with South Arcot district also but there is no public, suitable courses have decision at present to discontinue any post been designed. Training Centres office in that district. have started conducting these courses. Setting up of Industries in South Arcot district of Tamil Nadu by Central Public 3. A scheme has been launched to Sector Undertakings identify fault prone telephones for early rehabilitation and 9073. SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN: Will improvement of their services. the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: 4. A programme has been undertaken to clean, dress up and lock (a) the number of letters of intenVindus- all distribution pOints in the tele- trial licences issued dUring 1984-85 to phone Network. 1985-86 to Central Public Sector Under- takings for setting up industries in South 5. A system of daily monitoring the Arcot district of Tamil Nadu along with the interruptions in STD network for items proposed to be manufactured by taking quick remedial action for them: early restoration, has been introduced . (b) whether the units have gone ahead with the production as per the capacity for 6. Detailed action plan has also which letters of intenVindustrial licences been drawn up under "Mission were issued to them; and better Communication" tor over all improvement of the Tele- (c) if not, the reasons therefor? phone serviceS. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- Closing of Post Offtcesln SouIn OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- Arcot Dlstrtct In Tamil Nadu TRY (SHAI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to (c). Under the provisions of the Industries 9072. SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN: Will (Development & Regulation) Act, a letter of the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be intent was granted on 6.5.85 to MIs. pleased to state: Neyveli Lignite Corporation Limited, a Central Public Sector Undertaking. for (a) whether tnere is any proposal to close effecting substantial expansion in their Post Offices in South Arcot district, Tamil existing lignite mining unit located at Teh- Nadu;and sil Vi rdhachalam , District South Arcot in 193 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 194 the State of Tamil Nadu. This letter of (c) if not, the action proposed to be intent has since been converted into an taken against the firm? industrial licence on 25.11. 85. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Model Post Offices In Tamil Nadu DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- 9074. SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN: Will TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : (a) Yes, the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Sir. . pleased to state: (b) and (c). Under the Foreign Exchange (a) whether there are any Model Post Regulation Act, permission of the Reserve Offices in Tamil Nadu; Bank of India for use of foreign trade marks on Internal sales is required if such (b) if so, the details thereof; and use involves direct or indirect consideration. The party has stated that there is no (c) whether there is any proposal to direct or indirect consideration in the use sanction more Model Post Offices in Tamil of trade mark "English Leather" in this case Nadu? and that, therefore, the provision of Sec- tion 28(1) (c) of the FERA is not attracted. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Under the Trade and Merchandise (SHAJ SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) The Marks Act, trade marks could be used with- attempt has been to ensure that there is a out registration. In this case. there has reasonable level of efficiency at all post been no application from the parties for offices. No particular post office has been registration as registered user of the trade designated as a 'Model' post office. mark "Engiish Leather".

(b) Does not arise in view of reply to part Oil Selection Soara (a) above. 9076. SHRI ARVIND TULSHI RAM (c) No post office is separately sancti- KAMBLE: Will the Minister of PETRO- oned as a Model post office. For special LEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to reasons, a Head of Circle may re-organize state: an existing post office as a "Model' office. In so far as Tamil Nadu Circle is concerned (a) the date of expiry of the existing Oil the position is as stated in (a) above. Selection Board and when the new Board is likely to be reconstituted; Foreign Brand Name "English Leather" (b) whether the new Board will be recon- 9075. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: stituted on the old lines; SHRI ANANOA PATHAK: (c) if not, what will be the new pattern; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be and pleased to state: (d) the number of pending applications (a) whether it is a fact that Mis. Advani for decision by the Oil Selection Board? Oerlikon, Bangalore have introduced the toileteries and cosmetic items under the foreign Brand Name "English Leather"; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- (b) if so, whether the firm has obtained RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN permission for use of the foreign trade THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI BRAHMA DUn): (a) The term of the four name for internal sales; and 195 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 196

Oil Selection Boards ended in June, 1986. Issue of Identity Cards to Electors in While Oil Selection Board (South) has Andhra Pradesh been reconstituted in March, 1987, the other three Boards are likely to be reconsti- 9078. DR. A.K. PATEL: tuted shortly. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY:

(b) Yes, Sir. Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: (c) Does not arise in view of reply to (b) above. (a) whether his attention has been drawn to a report In the 'Indian Express' dated (d) As on 31.3.87, a total of 1015 cases January 2, 1987 that Andhra Pradesh for selection of LPG distributors, Retail Government had decided to issue identity Outlet (Petrol/Diesel) & SKO-LDO dealers cards with photos to all electors in Telani were pending with these OSBs. to eliminate impersonation in elections;

Telephone Advisory Committee for Bom- (b) whether there is a similar proposal to bay Mahanagar Telephone Nigam begin with in border areas in the eastern and western regions f¥J77. SHRI ARVIND TULSHI RAM KAMBLE: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- (c) If so, the details thereof and if not, the CATIONS be pleased to state: reasons thereof and

(a) whether the term of the Telephone (d) in which areas in the country similar AdviSOry Committee for Bombay Maha- measures have been taken? nagar Telephone Nigam expired in December, 1986; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI (b) if so, when the new advisory commit- H.R. BHARDWAJ) : (a) The Election Com- tee will be constituted; mIssion has no information in this regard. The press report presumably refers to elec- (c) what will be the total number tions to the local bodies in Andhra Pradesh Members in the new committee; and in respect of which the Commission has no jurisdiction. (d) what will be the number of non- official members on this committee? (b) and (C). On the basis of the experience gathered on the introductIon of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE identity cards in Sikkim and some other MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS North-Eastern States, the Election Com- (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) The mission is in favour of a system where iden- term of the last Telephone Advisory Com- tity cards will be used not merely for the mittee for Bombay expired in October, purpose of elections but for other multi- 1986. purpose uses also. The Election Commis- sion is making some experiments on a (b) The new Telephone Advisory Com- limited scale in some areas and it proposes mittee for Bombay has already been to send its views to the Government in due reconstituted on 26.2. 1987. course.

(c) 40 Members only. (d) The scheme of photo-identity cards has so far been introduced in Sikkim, (d) None of the 40 Members is from the Nagaland and a few constituencies of Department of Telecommunication. Meghalaya. 197 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 198

cases of irregularities/malpractices in with the follow up action, if any? N.C.C.F. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 9079. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will the MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) be pleased to state: and (b). A Statement is given below.

(a) whether a number of cases of Irregu- (c) National Cooperative Consumers larities and malpractices In the National Federation of India Ltd. has instituted Cooperative Consumers Federation of departmental enquiries against 17 of its India Ltd. (NCCF) have been referred to employees. The actual position regarding C.B.1. for investigation; the extent of their involvement in the alleged Irregularities would be ascertained (b) if so, their details; only after the completion of the enquiries.

(c) the details of cases which are under (d) The final report from the C.B.I. in the departmental enqUiry; and case of irregularities in the purchase of and supply of pulses by NCCF to Food Corpo- (d) the cases in which reports have been ration of India, has been received which is received and the findings thereof along .. under consideration.

STATEMENT

List of cases and malpractices In the NCCF referred to the C.B.I. .for investigations

S.No. Particulars of the case

"1. Irregularities with regard to the purchase and supply of pulses to Fel

2. 633 bales of controlled cloth despatched by the NCCF- lost In transit

3. Unspeclfted quantity of controlled cloth despatched to a society at Khllchlpur (MP) was diverted to Farrukhabad (U.P. for reprocessing.

4. SeriOUS allegations, Includmg misuse of controlled cloth, Janata cloth etc., against Chief Marketing AdViser, NCCF

5. Irregularities In the supply of non-controlled cloth by the NCCF Branch, Calcutta, to Adarsh Bazar Cooperative Society, Patna.

6. Serious Irregularities and corruption charges against 3 Regional Managers of the NCCF.

7. MisapprOpriation of 1576 bales of controlled cloth meant for Slkklln

8. SeriOUS irregularities In the disposal of 35,000 empty gunntes by one Dy. Manager and two ASSistant Managers of the NCCF.

9. Alleged Irregularities In the Import and disposal of 3000 metric tonnes of dry dates.

" The report received from the C.B.1. IS under examination 199 WriNen Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 200

Rural Integrated Digital Network in complaints against some State Govern- Andhra Pradesh ment regarding the implementation of Central Scheme for supply of wheat and 9080. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the Min- rice to the tribal population at subsidised ister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased rates; to state: (b) if so, the details thereof; and (a) the names of the districts in Andhra Pradesh that will be brought under the (c) the action taken by Government in Rural Integrated Digital NetViork by the the matter? Department of Telecommunications during 1987-88; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- (b) the number and names of the remain- LIES (SHAI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) ing districts where this facilitty is expected Yes, Sir. Some complaints have been to be completed by the end of the Seventh received. Plan? (b) and (c). These complaints mainly THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE relate to diversion of specially subsidized MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS foodgrains to unauthorized channels. The (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) State Governments have been addressed There is no proposal to implement the in the matter and asked to exercise strict Rural Integrated Digital Network in Andhra vigilance to eliminate the malpractices. Pradesh during 1987-88.

Import of Drugs (b) Khammam is the secondary area of Andhra Pradesh which has been planned for implementation under the Rural Inte- 9082. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI: grated Digital Network in the 7th Five Year SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: Plan. It will be implemented in two phases subject to availability of equipment; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (i) Installation of small capacity Dig- ital Electronic Exchanges In the (a) whether import of drugs is going up first phasejand every year; (ii) Installation of Radio equipment (b) if so, the comparative figures of in the second phase. import for the last three years and foreign However, small capacity digital elec- exchange spent on it; and tronic exchanges are installed at Armoor, Kothagudem, Ramachandrapuram. (c) the main reasons tor increase in imports and the steps being taken to restrict them? Complaints regarclng implementation of Central Scheme for supply of Wheat and Rice to Tribal Population at subsidised THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE rates DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY 9081. SHAI HARIHAR SOREN: Will the 0F INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES SINGH): (8) Yes, Sir. be pleased to state:

(a) whether his Ministry has received (b) Total imports of drugs and pharma- 201 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 202 ceuticals during the last three financial DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- years are as follows: OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) No clerk on the regular establishment of the Khadi and Village Industries Commission (Rs. in crores in terms who has worked continuously from 1st of c.i.f.) January, 1986 to 28th February, 1987 has been removed from service. 163.34 1983-84 (b) Does not arise. 215.62 1984-85 [Eng/Ish) 267.40 1985-86 Action Plan for Public Sector Chemicals and Petrochemicals Units .

(c) The imports of various bulk drugs 9084. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: and intermediates is regulated under the Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased provisions of Import and Export Policy. to state: The imports are allowed only in those cases where indigenous production is not (a) whether the public sector units func- adequate and cost effective domestic pro- tioning under the department of ChE:mi- duction have not been established or there cals and Petro-chemicals were asked to is only single producer and same is no~ prepare action plan, defining the targets able to meet the demand. Import Policy is and schedules for achieving their objec- reviewed from time to time to incorporate tives of reasearch and development and suitable changes. While the need to pro- technology absorption, duce indigenously as many bulk drugs and (b) if so, the steps taken by the con- intermediates 15 obvious, It is to be accepted that no country can be self- cerned public sector undertakings in that suffiCient in all drugs and intermediates. dl rectlon; and Imports are necessary to supplement (c) the details thereof? domestic production. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [ Trans/ation] DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY Confirmation of derks working in KVle OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA 9083. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI: Will the SINGH). (a) Yes, Sir. Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to (b) and (c). The public Sector Undertak- state: Ings are expected to take appropriate steps (a) the number of clerks who have for fulfilment of the targets in accordance worked in Khadi and Village Industries with the completion schedule laid down in Commission continuously from 1st Janu- the proposed Action Plan. ary 1986 to 28th February, 1987 but they have been removed from service without 'Urja Villages' in West Bengal any reason; and 9085. SHRI ATISH CHANDRA SINHA: (b) the reasons for not confirming such WIll the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to employees as have completed six months state: continuous service? (a) the number of villages so far adopted THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 203 Written Answers MAY 5.1987 Written Answers 204 in West Bengal as 'Urja Villages'; (b) Does not arise in view of (a) above.

(b) the sources of non-conventional energy utilised there; ConatructIon of Poll OffIce Building at Bhlklaen (AImora, U.P.) (c) whether there is any proposal to increase the coverage in the Seventh Five 9087. SHAI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Year Plan in West Bengal; and Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (d) if so, to what extent and in which districts? (a) whether Post Office building at Bhiki- asen (Almora, Uttar Pradesh) is proposed THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- to be constructed during this year; and ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) Urjagram projects (b) if so, by what time? have so far been taken up in seven villages in West Bengal. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (b) A combination of various non- (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) No, conventional energy devices and systems Sir. such as solar photovoltaic based streetlights, pumps and community television, (b) In view of reply to (a) above, the ques- and water pumping windmills are being tion of indicating the time-framme tor cons- installed in these villages. truction of departmental building does not arise. (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. Energy surveys have been initiated in a number of villages OpenIng of Small Telephone Exchllngel in the State. Based on these surveys In AlmonI and PIthonIg8rh (U.P.) further urjagram projects are envisaged. Initially, it is proposed to take up one such 9088. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the project in every Parliamentary consti- Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be tuency in the State. pleased to state:

[Translation] (a) whether there is a proposal to open some new small telephone exchanges in Unldng of Almara with Deihl by S.T.D. Pithoragarh and Almara districts in Uttar Pradesh during 1987-88; and 9086. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (b) if so, the names of the places and pleased to state: the time by which these exchanges will be opened? (a) whether there is a proposal to link Almora city in Uttar Pradesh with Delhi by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE S.T.D.; and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (8) and (b) if so, by what time? (b). Yes, Sir. During 1987-88 two new exchanges at Jainti and Jalali are planned THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to be opened in Almora District. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) Almara is Opening of Branch Post 0ffIcH In already linked with Delhi on STD with Almor. aM PIthonIgarh (U.P.) effect from 21.3.86 through Trunk Auto- matic Exchange, Bareilly. 9089. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the 205 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 206

Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI pleased to state: BRAHMA OUTT): (a) Yes, Sir.

(a) whether there is a proposal to open (b) Promotion to the post of General some new branch Post Offices in Almora Manager is made by selection based on and Pithoragarh districts in Uttar Pradesh merit and overall performance and not on during 1987-88; and mere seniority or some awards given for good performance in a particular (b) if so, the places where these are aSSignment. proposed to be opened? (c) 65 Deputy General Managers were THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE considered for appointment to the post of MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS General Managers against available (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) and vacancies. A selection committee with all (b). There is a proposal to open a branch Members of the Commission adjudged post office at village Bunga Khyalli in each of them in a quantified manner by Pithoragarh district. In so far as Almora awarding marks for qualifications, expe- district is concerned, at present there are rience and overall performance before no proposals which fulfil the prescribed selecting 20 of them for appointment as norms. General Managers.

[English] (d) Does not arise.

Promotion of OHicers In ONGC Introduction of S.T.D. Services 9090. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 9091. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: SHAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state: (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas Commission, Dehra Dun has issued (a) whether any programme for the orders for promotion to the post of General introduction of STO between (i) district Managers for about 20 officers in the 1987 headquarters and the State capitals (ii) dis- out of the list of successful officers for pro- trict headquarters and the Union Capital and (iii) block, tehsil &sub-divisional head- motion to the posts; quarters with the district headquarters and (b) whether a large number of other the State headquarters has been finalised senior officers. who were entitled for such for implementation in the Seveth Ptan; promotion due to success in interviews (b) if so, brief outline of the programme and awards given In their respective disci- for Seventh Plan and its break up for each plines, have been left out in the aforesaid year of the ptan;and orders of promotion; (c) if not. the priorities for the introduc- (c) if so. the facts thereof; and tion of STD facility as also for the linking of all places having community of interest on (d) what action is now being contem- administrative and other grounds? plated to restore and instil a sense of confidence in the minds of all affected persons THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE by causing their promotion immediately? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b). (i) Introduction of sro between Dis- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM ANO NAru- trict Headquarters and the respective state RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN 207 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 208

capitals is a plan priority. It is being pro- tion for providing STD: vided by installation of automatic exchanges of appropriate type, installation 1. connection of state capitals to of reliable transmission medium including Delhi. multiplexing equipment, installation of new Trunk Automatic Exchanges, expand- 2. connection of District Headquar- ing the existing Trunk Automatic ters to their respective State Exchanges and installation of connecting capitals. equipment at local exchanges. The break up for each year of the plan regarding 3. Connection of District Headquar- introduction of SrD between District ters within 300 Kms. of Delhi' and Headquarters and the respective state capi- 200 Kms. of Bombay, Calcutta tals is given in the Statement given below. and Madras to the respective met- ropolitan centres.

(ii) Introduction of STO between District 4. the stations having telephone Headquarters and Union Capital Delhi is exchanges of capacity of 1000 lines and above. being done progressively through the Trunk Automatic Exchange network. In addition to above, the stations having appropriate type of auto exchanges which (iii) Introduction of STD between block, are conveniently linked by existing stable tahsil and sub-divisional headquarters transmission media are also considered with the district headquarters and the state for STO facility if found feasible. headquarters is not a plan priority. Inter-dialling amongst stations having community of interest is provided on the (c) In view of limited availability of basis of traffic justification if found resources, following priorities are in opera- feasible. STATEMENT

Sreak up 01 Programme for the Introduction 01 S TD between Distlct Headquarters and the Respective State Capitals for each year of the 7th Plan, State-wise

81. Name of Total Total Dlatt. No. of Plan for the No. State No. of HQrs linked Dlstt. Hqrs. remaining period Distt. with their Imked WIth of 7th plan HQrs. State/Capi- theIr respectIve State Capitals tals in the durmg beginning of

7th I Plan (as on '.4.85) 85/86 86/87 87/88 88/89 89/9(' 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

1. Andhra Pradesh 23 20 01 02

2. Arunachal Pradesh 10 00 00 00 00 03 07

3. Assam 18 01 02 01 02 02 10

4. Bihar 39 11 02 02 02 08 14

5. Gujarat 19 10 00 02 00 01 06 210 209 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

03 12 06 03 00 00 00 6. Haryana 05 12 02 00 01 04 00 7. Himachal Pradesh 01 08 14 05 00 00 00 8. J&K 03 20 13 02 02 00 00 9. Karnataka 01 14 11 01 00 01 00 10. Kerala 09 14 45 11 01 03 07 11. Madhya Pradesh 02 04 06 30 15 01 02 12. Maharashtra 00 00 07 08 00 01 00 13. Manipur 00 01 01 05 01 02 00 14. Meghalaya 00 01 00 01 03 01 00 15. Mizoram 00 00 06 07 01 00 00 16. Nagaland 05 00 05 13 01 02 00 17. Orissa 03 01 01 12 07 00 00 18. Punjab 02 04 01 14 27 06 00 19. Rajasthan 00 00 00 03 04 01 00 20. Sikkim 03 01 00 01 19 14 00 21. Tamil Nadu 00 01 01 00 03 00 01 22. Tripura 10 02 06 18 57 19 02 23. Uttar Pradesh 02 00 00 04 17 11 00 24. West Bengal

Union Territories 01 00 00 01 02 00 00 1. Andamman Nicobar 01 01 2. Chandlgarh 01 01 3. Delhi 01 00 00 00 01 00 4. Cedar Nagar Haveli 01 01 5. Goa 211 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 212

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

8. 01 00 00 00 01

7. Pondtcherry 02 01 00 00 00 00 01

Note: Provision of STD for some of the District Headquarters may spill over to the 8th plan due to limited availability of SWitching and Transmission eC1'lipment. Scheme for Refund of Rent reduced to 15 days with effect from 1.3.87. Telephones for the Period they Remain Dead The above scheme is applicable to the 9092. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- entire country. SHAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state: (c) .The required information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of (a) whether Government have intro- the House. duced a scheme for the refund of rent for the telephones for the period when they (d) Does not arise in view of reply to part remain dead; (b) above.

(b) if so, the details of the scheme alongwith the date and the places at which it has been introduced; Setting up of Postal Division. in Kerala

(c) the latest progress made in this 9093. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- regard and the number of telephone sub- CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of COM- scribers to whom the rent has been MUNICATIONS be pleased to state: refunded alongwith the amount and period in each case; and (a) the number of Postal Divisions ir Kerala Postal Circle; (d) whether the scheme is likely to be extended to other areas, if so, the details (b) whether every district in Kerala has a thereof? Postal Division:

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the districts in Kerala that do not have MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS a Postal Division; and (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV) : (a) Yes, Sir. (d) whether more Postal Divisions are tc be set up in Kerala to cover all districts? (b) According to the scheme grant of rebate in rental for a telephone line would be admissible if the service thereof THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE remained interrupted for a period of 30 MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION~ days or more. The free calls allowed in the (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) 23. billing cycle for the telephone would be proportionately reduced for the period for (b) 13 out of 14 districts have one 01 which rebate is granted. more Postal Divisions.

The above scheme was introduced with (c) Wynad District, which is served partl~ effect from 31.10.85. The minimum period by the Galicut Postal Division and partl~ prescribed for the grant of rebate has been by the Tellicherry Postal Division. 213 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15. 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 214'

(d) No, as setting up of a separate Postal in addition to cooperative societies Division for Wynad District is not justified amongst others. on the basis of workload. [Translation]

Setting up Consumers Sell in Goa Explorations tor coal around Mand Kachhar area in Madhya Pradesh 9094. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- 9095. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA: LI ES be pleased to state: Will the Mimster of ENERGY be pleased to state: (a) whether the Government of the Union territory of Goa, Daman & Diu have (a) whether exploration work to find out set up any consumer cell; the availability of coal in the area around Mand Kachhar in Madhya Pradesh has (b) if so, details of this cell; been completed; and

(c) the number of fair price shops in the (b) if so, the results thereof? territory; THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- (d) the names and number of commodi- ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHAI ties distributed by these fair price shops; VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b). Geological Survey of India is conducting exploration (e) whether the Government's policy work in the Mand-Raigarh coalfield area. with respect to opening of new fair price So far, exploration for coal has been com- shops has been changed In the recent pleted in Dharamjaygarh-Khagraon- past; and Sithara, Kurumkela-Amgaon and Chaal sectors and is in progress in Gare-Pelma (f) if so, what is the new policy? sector.

The coal seems in the Mand-Raigarh THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE coal fled are generally of inferior quality. A MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- total of 2224.38 million tonnes of coal com- LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) prising of 124.27 million tonnes of proved No, Sir. and 2100.11 million tonnes of indicated categories have been estimated in Dha- (b) Does not arise. ramjaygarh Khargaon-Sithara, Kurumkela-· Amgaon and Chaal sectors. An additional (c) The Government of Goa, Daman and reserve of 4044 million lonnes has been Diu has reported that there were 526 fair inferred in Gare-Pelma and Fatehpur- price shops in the territory as 31.3.1987. Taraimar areas on the basis of mapping.

(d) The Government of Goa, Daman and Licensing of Roller Flour Mills Diu has reported that 5 commodities, viz., rice, wheat, levy sugar, palmolein and con- 9096. SHRIMATI O.K. BHANDARI: Will trolled cloth are bemg distributed through the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- U ES be pleased to state: fair price shops. (a) whether it is a fact that Government (e) Yes, Sir. have recently relaxed the existing rules for licensmg of Roller Flour Mills; (f) The Government of Goa, Daman and Diu has reported that preference is now (b) if so, the details thereof and the rea- being given to educated unemployed indi- sons for relaxing the existing norms; viduals for the opening of fair price shops 215 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 216

(c) whether these revised norms apply to (b) if so, the details thereof; all Rollers Flour Mills located in each State and Union Territory; and (c) the reasons therefor; and

(d) if so, the States Union Territories (d) the actual expenditure during 19~ proposed to be covered under such 87? relaxations? THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). The alloca- LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) to tion in the Central Budget for 1987-88 in (d). Keeping in view the present easy avail- respect of Non-Conventional Energy ability of wheat in the country, the Wheat Sources is As. 100.00 croes as against the roller flour milling industry was exempted outlay including supplementary grants for in July, 1986, from the provisions of the Rs. 125.00 crores for the year 1986-87. The Industrial (Development and Regulation) allocation for this year wa? indicated to be Act, 1951 subject to the following on account of overall budgetary conditions:- conSiderations.

(1) The undertaking may not be (d) The actual plan expenditure during located:- 19~87 was Rs. 124.5 crores.

(a) Within the standard urban area Wortd Bank Assistance for National limit as determined in the Census Capital Region Power Projects of India. 1981 of a city having a population of more than one mil- 9098. SHAI YASHWANTRAO GADAKH lion; or PATIL: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (b) Within the municipal limits of a city with a population of more (a) whether the National Thermal Power than five lakhs as determined in Corporation propose to take up the the said census. National Capital Region Power Projects; (2) The industrial undertaking does not (b) if so, the details thereof and the pro- fall within the purview of MRTP Act or gress so far made; FERA. Roller flour mills without restriction on capacity could now be established any- (c) the total investment required for the where in the country except at the loca- project; tions falling under the conditions mentioned above. (d) whether the NT PC has approach or propose to approach the World Bank for assistance; and AIocationstorNon-C~ention. Energy Sources (e) if so, the outcome thereof?

9097. SHRI YASHWANTRAO GADAKH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PATIL: Will the Minister of ENERGY be DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- pleased to state: ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHTAGI): (a) to (c). The National Ther- (a) whether the budgetary allocations mal Power Corporation is setting up the for the non-conventional sources of energy first stage of the National Capital Thermal have been reduced for the current year; Power Project (840 MW) at a site near 217 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 218

Dadri in District Ghaziabad of Uttar Pra- manufacture In the Rae Bareli desh at an estimated cost of Rs. 1063.57 Unit. crores. Acquisition of land for the project is in progress and works of temporary con- (il) Mls. CIT ALCATEL. France-for structions and Infrastructure facilities are setting up indigenous manufac- also under way. turing capacity of digital electronic switching equipment of (d) and (e). The project has been posed local type and digital trunk auto- to the World Bank for partial financing and matic switching equipment at its negotiations in this regard are expected to Mankapur and Pal ghat Units take place shortly. respectively.

(IIi) FACE Standard, Italy, for manu- Modernisation of Telecommunication facture of telephone instruments System of modern design at its Banga- lore and Nalni Units. 9099. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (2) Hlndustan Teleprinters Limited has pleased to state: entered Into collaboration with M/s. SAGEM of France for setting up indigen- (a) the details of the collaboration agree- ous manufacturing capacity of electronic ments presently operative between India telepnnters. and other countnes In the field of telecommunications: and In addition, the Department of Telecom- mUnications has entered into collabora- (b) the steps taken for modernisation of tion WIth: the telecommunication system in the country? (I) Mis. KRONE of West Germany for manufacture of cable termi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE nating box at Telecommunica- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS tion Factory, Calcutta. (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) There are two Public Sector Undertakings (II) Mis. CIT ALCA TEL of France for under the Department of Telecommunica- Research & Development assist- tions engaged in manufacturing activities ance and for the supply of elec- viz. Indian Telephone Industries Limited tronic digItal telephone and Hindustan Teleprinters Limited. Both exchanges and performance of these Undertakings have entered into col- related services. laboration for setting up indigenous manufacturing capacity of telecommunication (III) Mis. SOFRECOM (a subsidiary equipment with a number of foreign firms. of French PTI) for technical Some of the major collaborations are indi- cooperation in operation and cated below. maintenance etc. of electronic switching equipment and supply (1) Indian Telephone Industries Limited of miscellaneous equipment. has entered into collaboration wlth:- In addition, the Government have licen- (j) MIs. BELL Telephone Manufac- sedlissued Letters of Intents to the various turing Company, Belgium. for Public Sector/State Sector/Private Sector manufacture of crossbar switch- for the manufacture of a variety of telecom- ing equipment of "Indian Cross- munication equipments who have entered bar ProJect" design. The into certain collaborations with foreign equipment is presently under companies. 219 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 220

(b) Various schemes have been under- mills and gobar gas plants; and taken to modernise the telecommunication net work which include installation of (d) the target set therefor in the Seventh digital electronic exchanges, use of optical Plan? fibre~ microwave and coaxial digital system ducting for underground cables, use of microwave systems for local junctions and THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- computerisation of directory inquiry ser- ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHAI vice etc. VASANT SATHE): (a) The State Govern- ments of Gujarat, Haryana, Himachal Pra- ...1aI1ation of EIectronIclCroasbllr desh, Maharashtra, Orissa, Punjab, Telephone Exc1w9 at Karim Nagar, Tamil Nadu and Uttar Pradesh exceeded Warrangal, Anethr. Pradesh their respective targets in installation of family type biogas plants during both 9100. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: Will the 1984-85 and 1985-86. Besides, the State Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Governments ot Bihar, Jammu & Kashmir, pleased to state: Mizoram and West Bengal and the Union Territories of Andaman & Nicobar, Chan- (a) whether there ;s any proposal to digarh, Dadra & Nagar Haveli and Goa, instal an electronic exchange or crossbar Daman & Diu either achieved or exceeded exchange at Karim Nagar, Warangal, their respective targets in setting up of blo- Andhra Pradesh: and gas plants during 1985-86.

(b) if so, when? The States of Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa and Tamil Nadu have per- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE formed well in installation of windmills dur- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS ing the periods 1984-85 and 1985-86. (SHAI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV) : (a) Yes, Sir. It is planned to instal an electronic exchange at Warangal-Hanumkonda (b) The number of family type biogas and a crossbar exchange at Karim Nagar plants (go bar gas plants) installed in differ- in Andhra Pradesh. ent States, including the plants installed by Khadi and Village Industries Commission (b) Both the exchanges are planned to during 1984-85 and 1985-86 is given in the be commissioned during the early period Statement given below. of 8th Five Year Plan. (c) For promotion of setting up family SatIng up of Gober Gal Planta and type biogas plants, the Government has WInd Mills taken a number of steps, such as provision of Central subsidy, organisation of training 9101. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: courses for village masons and techni- Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to cians in the construction and maintenance state: of biogas plants, Users' training courses, turn-key job fee WIth two years' free main- (a) the States that performed well in the tenance warranty period, cash incentives installation of gobar gas plants and wind to promoters, repair and maintenance mills in 1984-85 and 1985-86; scheme, establishment of Regional B;ogas Training and Development Centres, etc. (b) the number of gobar gas plants Wind-mills are provided to users, including installed State-wise in the above two years~ private beneficiaries if they meet the cost for storage tanks and associated civil work. (c) the efforts made by Government to encourage the schemes of setting up wind (d) A target of setting up 5.5lakh famity 221 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 222 type biogas plants was envisaged within A target of 5000 wind mills has also been the given financial outlay for the Seventh envisaged for the Seventh Five-Year Plan Five-Year Plan period. period.

STATEMENT

National Project for Biogas Development-Achievements for the period 1984-85 and 1985-86

Number of biogas SI. State/UT Plants setup No. 1984-85 1985-86 Total

2 3· 4 5

1. Andhra Pradesh 18525 19120 37645

2. Assam 681 457 1138

3. Bihar 5634 9744 15378

4. Gujarat 9451 13563 23014

5. Haryana 2986 2266 5252

6. Himachal Pradesh 2510 2650 5160

7. Jammu & Kashmir 44 155 199

8. Karnataka 9113 8361 17474

9. Kerala 4236 3937 8173

10073 10. Madhya Pradesh 4405 5668

112890 11. Maharashtra 52546 60344 8343 12. Orissa 2914 5429

1807 3750 13. Punjab 1943

5398 13476 14. Rajasthan 8078 4 4 15. Sikkim 19514 37854 16. Tamil Nadu 18340 28096 55794 17. Uttar Pradesh 27698 3268 6275 18. West Bengal 3007

135 80 215 19. Delhi 223 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 224

2 3 4 5

20. Goa, Daman & Diu 189 156 345

21. Mizoram 1 115 116

22. Pondicherry 95 65 160

23. Others 70 29 99

GRAND TOTAL 172601 190222 362823

Mllnuf8Clunt of new ModeIa of can by in the next three years on the telecommuni- Mandl Udyog Ltd. cations in Delhi and Bombay; and

9102. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: (b) how the investment is proposed to be Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased financed? to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether some models are proposed MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS to be manufactured by Maruti Udyog (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): Umited; (Rs. in crores) (b) if so, the details thereof; (a) 1987-88 260 (c) the estimated cost involved in the pro- 1988-89 330 ject; and 198~~ 354

(d) when these new models are (b) The investment will be financed from expected to be manufactured? internal resources and by issue of Tele- phone Bonds, if necessary. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- Public Sector Induatrtal Protects Estab- PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- lished In Bihar TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) to (c). Maruti lJdyog Limited have submitted a 9104. SHRI SYEO SHAHABUOOIN: Will proposal to Government for manufactur- the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to ing a three-box car with 1000ccengine, in state: addition to their existing models, with an estimated investment of As. 72.14 crores. (a) the number of new public sector industrial projects established in Bihar dur- (d) The proposal is under consideration. ing the last three years or under establishment; InvAII •..,. by ...... ' T.II.,.... NIpm Umlted (b) whether any industrial projects proposed or recommended by Government of 9103. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: Bihar or any agency thereof are pending Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS with Union Government as on 30.9.86; be pleased to state: and (c) if so, the bri~f particulars thereof? (a) the amount proposed to be spent by the Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Limited THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 225 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 226

DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- (c) if so, the total number of blocks in PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- each State which are without telephone or TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) to (c). without telegraph facility or without both Information is being collected and will be as on 31 December; and laid on the Table of the House. (d) the number of such blocks to be Expansion of Telecommunication FacilI- brought anto the telephone or telegraph ties In Rural Areas map by the end of 1987?

9105. SHAI SYED SHAHABUOOIN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state: MINISTER OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) 1200 (a) the target fixed for the expansion of Long Distance Public Telephones are tar- telecommunication facilities in the rural getted to be opened during the year 1987- areas both in terms of minimum service 88. and the time-frame; (b) Yes, Sir. (b) whether Government propose to link every block in the country with telephone (c) and (d). The information is given in and telegraph facility; the Statement given below. 227 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 228

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Time taken In Appointment of Judges (c) the criteria for determining whether an encumbent or a nominee is from out- 9106. SHRI SYEO SHAHABUOOIN: Will side or otherwise? the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHAI (a) whether in a number of cases names H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) As on 1-5-1987, the of persons recommended by the Constitu- High Courts of Andhra Pradesh, Gujarat, tional functionaries for appointment as Himachal Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala, High Court Judges have been subjected to Madhya Pradesh, Madras, Orissa, Patna, further enquiry by various authorities Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan and Sikkim before final approval; are having Chief Justices from outside States. (b) the average time gap between the receipt of a duly recommended proposal (b) The matter regarding transfer of by Government and its final approval; and Chief Justices of Calcutta and Jammu and Kashmir High Courts is engaging the (c) the steps proposed for reducing the attention of the Government. The Chief time gap? Justice of the Delhi High Court is not due for transfer in terms of the tansfer policy as THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE he is to retire shortly. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) Before making (c) As a general proposition, a Judge initial appointment of a person, the Govt. who prior to his elevation was JlJdicial obtains information to verify his character, Officer or practising Advocate in a High reputation, antecedents,etc. with a view to Court, would be considered to belonging assessing his suitability from all angles. to that High Court. However there may be individual cases where this criteria may not (b) and (c). the position varies from case apply. to case. It is difficult to work out the average in this regard as consultation with the con- AdvIce to drug firms to aubmH output stitutional authorities may have to be done Performance at any stage of proceSSing of a proposal.

9108. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA NARA- Government is making all possible SIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Minister efforts to ensure that vacancies of Judges of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: are filled in as expeditiously as possible. (a) whether Government have advised PoatIng of Chief Ja.tIceI 0ut8Ide their various drug firms to submit their output Home State performance and production plans; 9107. SHRI SYEO SHAHABUOOIN: Will (b) if so, how many drug firms have fur- the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be nished the information; and pleased to state: (c) the details thereof? (8) the names of the High Courts whose Chaif Justices are from outside the State or the region of their jurisdiction; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (b) whether there is any proposal te PETROCHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY transfer the remaining Chief Justices to OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA the High Courts outside their Home State; SINGH): (a) to (c). Drug manufacturing and units in the organised sector have been 233 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 234 asked through Drug Industry ASSocIatIons (e) whether approval to proposals for to furnish their production programmes to thermal power projects in Maharashtra has this Department, within 3 months wIth a been given; view to reach the revIsed ratIo parameters within a period of 3 years. The relevant (f) if so, the details thereof; and Information is yet awaited. (g) if not, the reasons therefor and the time by which the approval will be 1l1ennal Power StatIon In Maharashtra granted?

9109. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. BHOSALE· Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state: DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATJ SUSHILA (a) whether proposals for setting up ROHTAGI): (a) to (g). Details of the prop- thermal power projects in Maharashtra osals received by the Central ElectriCity have been submitted to Government; Authority for setting up of thermal power projects and the present status thereof are (b) if so, the details thereof; . contained in the Statement given below.

(c) whether 12th Annual Power Survey As per the 12th Annual Power Survey. has been conducted in Maharashtra; the energy reqUirement in Maharashtra, at the end of Seventh Plan, is estimated at (d) if so, the estimated demand and avail- 37011 million units; as against this, the ability of power in the State at the end of energy availability is likely to be 37367 mil- Seventh Plan; lion units.

STATEMENT

SI. Name of the T.P.P. Estimated cost Present Status No. & Capacity, (Rs.1n Crores)

2 3 4

1. Uran Waste Heat-I (120 MW) 62.56 Approved

Techno-economically approved by 2. Uran Waste Heat-II & III 122.4 (240 MW) CEA. Awaiting investment approved and commitment of gas.

'In principle' approval was conveyed Western Maharashtra (BSEB 470.73 3. to the State Govt. MSEB Limited) (500 MW) in 6/86 subject to certain conditions like coal linkage, Environment clearance. MRTP clearance etc. 235 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 236

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4. Khaperkheda Extn. (420 MW) 371.9 These schemes are under examination 5. Parli 'C' Units 6&7 (420 MW) 460.8 in the Central Bectricity Autho- 6. Chandrapur Unit 7 (500 MW) 434.1 rity in consultation with 7. Ujjaini (1000 MW) 241.9 various appraising agencies 8. Bhusawal'B' (Hatur) (2000 MW) 874.0 and can be considered for approval after all necessary inputs including financial resources, have been tied up and requisite clearances, such as from environmental angle, have become available.

9. Dabhol 8t. I (420 MW) 190.7 Coal availability and its St. II (630 MW) 260.3 transportation not ponfirmed. Returned on 2.6.82 to the State authorities.

10. Uran G.T. St. III (864 MW) 337.0 Gas availability could not be confirmed and the scheme was returned on 10 1.1986 to the State authorities .

..... of LIcence to CooperatIve OIls Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: limited, Ged8g (Kamataka) (a) the expenditure incurred for the com- 9110. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: Will the pletion of Second Thermal Unit at Neyveli; Minister of FOOD AND CIVil SUPPLIES be pleased to state: (b) the likely time of completion Third Thermal Unit; and (a) whether the Cooperative Oils Umited, Gadag (Karnataka) has applied (c) the funds allotted for the purpose? for an industrial licence for setting up a fifty THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- ton capacity vanaspati unit; ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). The Second (b) if so, the decision taken thereon; and Thermal Power Station stage I of Neyveli Lignite Corporation consists of three units (c) the reasons for delay? of 210 MW each. Two units have since been commissioned. The last unit is THE MINISTER OF STAT: IN THE expected to be commissioned by March MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- 1988. Against the revised cost estimates of LIES (SHAI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) Rs. 483.42 crores approved by the Govern- Yes, Sir. ment for the project as a whole, the expenditure incurred so far is Rs. 448.06 crores (b) and (c). The application has prima- (provisional) . facie been rejected. Escalation In Coat of H.B.J. Pipeline Completion of Second Thermal Unit at Protect Neyvell 9112. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- 9111. SHRI A.C. SHANMUGAM: Will the RAL GAS be pleased to state: 237 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 238

(a) whether it is a fact that the actual in principal has been accorded to Bombay cost of the Hazira-Bijapur-Jagdishpur Gas Suburban 8ectric Supply Limited, Bom bay, Pipeline is liIeky to escalate by more than to set up a power station with a capacity of As. 100 crores over the contractual prices; 500 MW; and (b) whether the company has to raise (b) if so, the reasons for the escalation in funds for the project direct from the market cost of construction? or funds from the public financial institutions would be available to finance this pro- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ject; and MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE iN (c) the details thereof? THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) and (b). At present THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- there has been no increase in the sanctio- ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI ned cost of the HBJ Project, which IS Rs. VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). The proposal 1700.17 crores. Changes in the project of MIs. Bombay Suburban Electric Supply rupee costs would depend on the fluctua- Limited to set up a 500 MW generating tion in Yen, Franc and Dollar vis-a-vis the station at Bassein, near Bombay, has been Rupee. approved by the Government 'in principle' subject to the conditions that the resour- filing up of Vacanciel of Junior EngI- ces for establishing the project are raised neers In Mahan~ Telephone Nigam directly from the market and all legal and Umlted other requirements for Implementing the project are duly complied with. 9113. SHRI M. L. JHI KRAM: Will the Min- ister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: Rural Electrtftcatlon

(a) whether Mahanagar Telephone 9115. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Nigam Ltd. Delhi has de-reserved the Will the MInister of ENERGY be pleased reserved Scheduled Castes/Scheduled to state: Tribes vacancies of Junior Engineers in 1986; and (a) the names of States which nave achieved cent per cent rural electrification (b) if so, the action taken to remedy the and names of the States which failed to situation? electrify even fifty per cent of the villages;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the reasons for the imbalance; and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) No, (c) the steps proposed to achieve the Sir. target of rural electrification within a time (b) Not applicable in view of (a) above. bound programme?

Setting up of Power Station by Bombay THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE' Suburban Electric Supply UmHed, DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- Bombay ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHTAGI): (a) Haryana, Kerala, Punjab 9114. SHRI M.V. CHANDRASEKHARA and Tamil Nadu have achieved cent per MURTHY: Will the Minister of ENERGY be cent village electrification. Manipur, Megh- pleased to state: alaya, Tripura and Arunachal Pradesh have not achieved 50~ of village (a) the conditions under which sanction electrification. 239 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 240

(b) The slow progress of village electrifi- Fixation of PIiceI of Drugs cation in some States is due to shortage of power, difficult terrain in hilly and tribal 9117. DR. B.L. SHAILESH: Will the Min- areas, poor load growth, short supply of ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: construction materials, inadequate sub- transmission system, etc. (a) whether the Supreme Court has recently ruled that the fixation of the prices (c) The States which had less than 65% of drugs was a legislative activity and not a village electrification as on 31.3.1985 have quasi-judicial one, thereby not subject to been covered under Revised Minimum judicial review and lifted the six-year stay Needs Programme during the Seventh on the implementation of the notifications Ptan. Under this Pr-ogramme, funds are fixing the prices of bulk drugs and allocated on liberal terms to supplement formulations; the efforts of the States so as to bring them to the desired level of electrification. Peri- odical review meetings are being held with (b) if so, what steps Government now the State Governments/State Electricity propose to take to Implement the notified Boards/Rural Electrification Corporation pnces of the drugs; to jncrease the pace of electrificatiqn and effectively coordinate the activities of the (c) the particulars of the drugs whose State Electricity Boards with other develop- prices are subject of review applications mental agencies of the States. filed with Government; and

(d) the steps taken by Government to Impact of Lok Adal.. on Judicial System ensure the availability of some of the essential drugs at the notified prices pending 9116. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: disposal of tha review applications? Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (a) whether any indepth study has been PETRO-CHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY undertaken by Government to assess the OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA impact of the experiment of Lok Adalats SINGH): Yes, Sir. Supreme Court has deli- on the judicial system of the country; vered its judgement in the case of M/s. Cyanamid India Ltd Only. (b) if so, the details of such study; and (b) to (d). The judgement is under active (c) if not, by when such a study is likely examination. Necessary action to fix the to be made? prices of concerned bulk drugs and formulations is being taken in the light of the judgement. Various steps have been taken THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to ensure availablility of essential drugs. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) to (c). The Commit- tee for Implementing Legal Aid Schemes (CILAS) monitors the functioning of the Lok Adalats. According to the information furnished by CILAS, the Lok Adalats have helped in reducing the arrears and giving 9118. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: Will the speedy and inexpensive justice. The ques- Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: tion of giving statutory status to Lok Ada- lats is under consideration of the (a) whether there is a proposal under Government. consideration of Government to increase 241 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 242 the equity participation of Suzuki Motors (b) the details of the capital invested in Limited, the Japanese collaborators of each of these industries during the last Maruti Udyog Limited, from the eXisting 26 three years; and per cent to 40 per cent; and (c) the number of persons provided with (b) if so, the reasons therefor and deci- employment in these industries during the sion of Government thereon? last three yeare?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI M. TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) No, Sir. ARUNACHALAM): (a) Khadi and Village Industries Commission is not manufactur- (b) Does not arise. ing cloth directly. Khadi programme under KVIC is being implemented by the State [ Translation] KVI Boards. registered institutions, and cooperative societies. Quantity of Khadi Manufacture of Qoth by KYle cloth (cotton, muslin, woollen and silk) produced by the implementing agencies 9119. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: on direct list of KVIC and State KVI Boards Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased (state-wise) during the last three years to state: 1983-84, 1984-85 and 1985-86 ;s given in the Statement given below. (a) the quantity of cloth, in metres manufactured by Khadi and Village Industries (b) Details of funds disbursed for imple- Commission and also by all the Khadi and mentation of Khadi programme in the Village Industries Boards in various States, country during the last 3 years are given separately, during the last three years; below.

Funds disbursed for Khadi programme

Year Grant Loan Total (Rs. in crores)

1983-84 24.57 17.85 43.43

1984-85 24.83 26.45 51.28

1985-86 36.99 29.90 68.89

(c) Number of persons provided employ- three years are as under: ment under Khadi Sector during the last 243 Written Answers MAY 5.1987 Written Answers 244

Employment under Khadi

Year Cotton Muslin Woollen Silk Total

(in lakh persons)

1983-84 10.53 0.31 2.13 0.62 13.59

1984-85 9.91 0.28 2.20 0.86 13.05

1985-86 10.20 2.32 0.66 0.86 13.47 245 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKAl Written Answers 246

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[English] has been paid in 2157 cases and the remaining 913 cases are being processed. Refund of Postal ute lnaurance Money UIe of Foreign Trade names In ConIU- 9120. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: mer Items Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state' 9121. SHRI MANIK SANYAL: Will the Minister of INOUSTRY be pleased to state: (a) whether Postal Life Insurance (PLI) refuses 10 refund money paid under its var- (a) whether it is a fact that no foreign ious schemes or to reactivate the lapsed collaboration IS allowed In the manufacture policies; of consumer goods;

(b) if so, the reasons thereof; (b) if so, whether Government propose to forbid the use of foreign brand names in (c) the number of policies under various consumer items as has been done in the schemes of PLI which lapsed during the case of televisions; and last 10 years; (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (d) how many people applied for refund of the premia paid by them; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- (e) how many were actually reimbursed OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- the premia money with details? TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) The proposals for foreign collaboration are considered on merits. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (b) and (c). As a general policy, while (SHRt SONTOSH MOHAN OeV): (a) and approving foreign collaboration approvals, (b). No, Sir. PLI does not refuse to refund foreign trade marks are not ordinarily money or reactivate the lapsed policies. If allowed for use on products for internal the Insurants pay up all arrear premimums, sales. A standard condition to this effect is policies are revived. whose policies are incorporated in all foreign collaboration less than three years duration, arrear ore- approval letters. mium is collected and policies revived, if more than three years, if so, desired by Non supply of Wet Daa to NCCF Insurant, amount IS repaid as surrender value, or policies are paid up after maturity 9122. SHAI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will the Min- period. In case no application is received ister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be for taking surrender value, the policy IS pleased to state: automatically kept alive, if it is not less than As. 100/- (8) whether it is a fact that National C0- operative Consumers' Federation of India (c) No. of poliCies lapsed dunng the last Ltd. (NCCF) entered into an agreement 10 years were approximately 70,000 for the with MIs. Oriental Food Stuff Co., Madras entire country, most of which have been in 1983 for supply of Wet Dates; either surrendered or paid up. (b) whether the party failed to supply the (d) Upto January, 1987 there were 3070 goods; cases in hand for refund of the premium (c) whether there was a panel/arbitration paid by the policy holders. clause to be invoked in the event of non- supply of goods to NCCF by the party; (8) Premium as admissible under Rule 259 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 260

(d) if so, action taken against the party; tricts, which could be helped so far? and

(e) the action contemplated against the THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- officers responsible for the lapse? ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) As a result of inten- THE MINISTER OF STATE INTHE MIN- sive R&D activities and demonstration pro- ISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES grammes taken up throughout the country (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) and (b). including rural areas in the area of solar Yes, Sir. energy, a number of technologies have been developed and their technical feasi- (c) to (e). National Co-operative Consu- bility for vanous applications, Including mers' Federation has reported that accord- generation of electricity, has been estab- ing to the agreement the supplier was to lished. For supplementing the cooking give a bank guarantee for Rs. 3.20 lakhs energy, solar cookers have been intro- and in case of any dispute, the matter was duced and are being popularised by the to be referred to an arbitrator. The party Government under subsidized schemes. provided a cheque for As. 3.20 lakhs in lieu Similarly under solar thermal extension of the bank guarantee. When the party ulti- programme, solar water heating systems mately failed to supply the dates, the desalination systemsl etc. are being NCCF presented the cheque which installed throughout the country. Solar bounced. NCCF thereafter referred the photovoltaic systems have been deve- case to the arbitrator as per the directions loped and are being increasingly deployed of the High Court for a decision of its claim for electrifying remote villages and other for Rs. 15 lakhs because of the non-supply small power needs in rural areas. of dates and for Rs. 37,385 towards bank charges. NCCF has terminated the services of the Chief Manager (Imports and (b) to (d). No specific targets have been Exports) who was held responsible for the fixed in respect of all Solar energy pro- cheque having bounced. grammes for the State of Orissa. However, from 1985-86 to March, 1987 under the Plans to make Solar Energy available In Solar Thermal Extension programme of Ru.... Ar... the Department of Non-Conventional Energy Sources. 12 solar heating systems, 9123. SHRI NITYANANDA MISRA: Will one solar timber kiln, 2 solar desalination the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to systems, one solar air heating/crop state: drying system with an outlay of Rs. 13.60 lakhs have been Implemented and (a) the plans being pursued by Govern- under solar photovoltalc programme, ment at present to make available solar implementation through Orissa Renewa- energy to rural areas at a very cheap rate ble Energy Development Agency, Orissa since these areas are not being served by State Electricity Board is being taken up petroleum companies for supply of cook- and streetlighting systems in 49 viUages of ing gas; nine districts (Phulbani, Koraput, Mayurb- hanj, Sundergarh, Keonjar, Dhenkamal, (b) the targets fixed for Orissa during Bhubaneswar, Balasore and Puri) have 1~86and 1986-87 and the.current target already been installed in the State of for 1987-88; Orissa. Also six community streetlighting systems have been installed in these vil- (c) the type of facilities that are being lages. In addition, 25 KW capacity photo- made avai;able; and voltaic installation. 24 water pumping systems and 100 photovoltaic streetlights (d) the villages under each of the 13 dis- have been sanctioned. 261 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 262

Poet 0fIIcea with Savings Bank Faclltlea In extent of the approval granted by the Min- 0 ..... istry of Finance, in view of the current ban on creation of posts. 9125. SHRI NITYANANOA MISRA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: Telephone Exchanges In Jaunpur Dls- trict, un. Pradesh (a) the number of villages in Orissa with more than 3000 population which have not 9126. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: been provided with a full-fledged post Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS office where savings bank and other facili- be pleased to state: ties are available; (a) the number of telephone exchanges, (b) if so, by what time this facility will be with locations, opened in Jaunpur district, made available at such post offices; and Uttar Pradesh during the lastthree years as also the details of the existing ones; (c) the plan drawn up in this regard? (b) whether modern equipments have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been Installed in all these exchanges and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS they are working properly; (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) Wherever rural post offices have been set (c) whether telephone exchanges in up in Orissa Circle they have been pro- Jaunpur generally remain out of order; ~ided with adequate postal facilities includ- and ing savings bank facilities. Savings Certificate work is conducted in only a few (d) If so, whether new equipments will be authorised branch offices but applications Installed there and if not, the reasons for purchase of Savings Certificates therefor? together with the cash therefor is accepted at all branch offices. This position holds THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE good in respect of rural post offices to be MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS opened in future also. There are, in all, (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV) : (a) Tele- 698B post offices in Orissa. Information as phone exchanges opened in Jaunpur dis- to whether there are any villages in the trict dUring the last three years are Rampur Circle with a population of more than 3000 25L, Patti Narenderpur 25L, Blbiganj 25L, which do not have a post office is being Muft'ganJ 25L and Khetasaral 25L. The ascertained and will be laid on the Table of jetalls, of eXisting exchanges as on the House. 31.3.1987 IS given In the Statement given below (b) and (c). Su rveys have been conducted or being conducted In all Circles to (b) Yes, Sir, except at Shahganj which is assess the Justification for additional post a manual exchange. The exchanges are offices in rural areas with reference to the working satisfactorily. prescribed norms. Information in respect of Orissa is being collected and will be laid (c) and (0) No, Sir, the telephone on the Table of the House. The plan is that exchanges are working satisfactorily and out of the just,fied proposals. post offices therefore. there IS no proposal to replace are to be opened dunng 1987-88 to the them 263 Written Answers MAY 5.1987 Written Answers 264

STATEMENT

List of Telephone Exchanges in Jaunpur District as on 31.3.87

51. Name of Telephone Capacity Type No. Exchange in lines

1. Badlapur 25 lines MAX-III (Automatic)

2. Bibiganj 25 lines

3. Gaurabad-Shahpur 50 tines

4. Jaunpur 800 lines MAX-II (Automatic)

5. Lalapur 25 lines MAX-III (Automatic)

6. Khetasarai 50 lines "

7. Kerakat 25 lines

8. Mariahoo 50 lines

9. Machha\isahar 25 lines ..

10. Muftiganj 25 lines

11. 25 lines Nauperwa "

12. Patti Narrendrapur 25 lines

13. Rajabazar 25 lines

14. Rampur 25 lines

15. Khutahan 25 lines

16. Mungra Badshahpur 50 lines MAX-III

17. 5hahganj 200 lines Manual

OpenIng of Telephone Exchanges In some telephone exchanges in the country Ortua during 1986-87;

9127. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will the (b) if so, the number of new telephone Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be exchanges set up in Orissa during that pleased to state: period;

(a) whether Government have set up (c) whether Government have a prop- 265 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 266 osal to set up some more telephone avoid any shortfall In the ,"cuetlon of the exchanges in Orissa in 1987-88; and targetted capacity which include regular monitoring of the projects by the Central (d) if so, the details thereof? Electricity Authority, efforts to expedite supply of equipment and materials, visi. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to project sites by engineers of the Central MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS ElectriCity AuthOrity to resolve problems (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OeV) : (a) Yes, and organiSing review meetings of agen- Sir. cies concerned to coordinate project implementation. The need to obviate time (b) 33. and cost over runs in project implementation is also being constantly emphasised (c) Yes, Sir. on State Authorities.

(d) It has been planned to open in Orissa VisIt 01 Neyvell lignite CorporatIon Ltd. 25 new small exchanges of 25 lines capa- Team to West Gemw1y city, subject to demand. 9129. DR. V. VENKATES~: Will the Min- GrowIh of Installed Pow.. Generation ister of ENERGY be pleased to refer to the C8pac1ty reply given to the Starred Question No. 380 on 24th March 1987 regarding visit of a 9128. SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK: team of Neyveli Lignite Corporation Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to Umited to West Germany and s~ lte: state: (a) what was the trend of discussion of (a) whether the performance regarding the team with MIs Rheinbraun Consulting growth of installed power generation of West Germany on the question of safety capacity has been satisfactory as per check programmes for opencast mining; target fixed by Government during the second year of the Seventh Five Year Plan (b) whether the consultant was also period; associated on technical matters of the two bucket wheel excavators earlier supplied (b) if so, to what extent it has been higher to NLC by the WMI Cranes Limited and than the target fixed for the first year of MIs MAN of West Germany; the Seventh Plan; and (c) whether the consultant had also sub- (c) if not, the steps taken to reach the mitted the report on the cause of accident targets fixed according to Plan, year- of said bucket wheel excavators; wise? (d) if so, the entire details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MINIS. TER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI (e) the steps being taken to ensure that VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b). During the advice of the Rheinbraun Consulting of 1986-87, the second year of the Seventh West Germany is implemented? Five Year Plan. power generation capacity aggregating to 2624.5 MW was added THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- against a target of 3396.5 MW. Ouring ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 1985-86, the first year of the Seventh Plan VASANT SATHE): (a) The discussions of period. total power generation capacity of Chairman-cum-Managing Director, 4223 MW had been added against a target Neyveli Lignite Corporation with Mis of 4459.5 MW. Rheinbraun Consulting on the question of safety check programmes covered mainte- (c) Various measures have been taken to nance practices, inspections etc. Follow- 267 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 268 ing the discussions, a seminar was held in curement of bulk of the equipment from Neyveli on 28-29th April 1987 on these the country which is offering financial topics. assistance. When internal resources are utilized equipment is procured indigen- (b) Yes, Sir. ously except in the case of equipment which is not being manufactured within (c) to (e). MIs. Rheinbraun Consulting the country. was not called upon to submit any report on the accident that occurred to the Central Industrial projects In Andhra Bucket Wheel Excavator of second Mine- Pradesh Stage I in October 1984. 9131. SHRt V. TULSIRAM: Wilt the Min- Pending Power ProjectIln Aneth,. ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to refer to Pradesh the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 3335 on 25 November, 1986 regarding 9130. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the Min- Central Industrial Projects in Andhra Pra- desh and state: ister of ENERGY be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. (a) whether necessary information has 11970n 11 November. 1986 about pending since been collected; and power projects in Andhra Pradesh and state: (b) if so, the details thereof and if not. when it is expected to be laid on the Table (a) the time by which a final decision to of the House? avail the external fInancial aid for power projects is expected to be taken; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- (b) whether a final decision about the PRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- availing of external financial aid for effec- TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) and (b). tive utilisation of indigenous capacity has Based on the information received so far, also been taken; there are no Central Industrial Projects in Andhra Pradesh for which Central (c) if so, detaits thereof; and approval has already been given but the work has not commenced. However, infor- (d) if not, the time by which a decision is mation from a few Ministries and Depart- expected to be taken? ments is still awaited and the assurance will be fulfilled immediately after the same THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MINIS- ts receiVed. TER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a), (c) and (d): exter- Demand for controlled cloth In SIkIdm nal assistance for Power Projects takes the form of assistance from International 9132. SHRIMATI O.K. BHANDARI: Will FinanciaJ Institutions such as the World the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- Bank and bilateral assistance. This assist- LIES be pleased to state: ance is avaited of on a case basis every year. Hence it is a continuing process. (a) the demand for controlled cloth for distribution to economically weaker sec- (b) Equipment against international tions and villages through public distribu- institutional finance is procured on the tion system in Sikkim during 1985 and baIia of global tenders and experience 1986; ahow8 that indigenous industry succeeds In procuring substantial orders. Bilateral (b) whether thl demand was met fully assistance envisaQes, bv and large. pro- dUring these years, 269 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 270

(c) if not, the reasons therefor; and (b) if so, the reaction of Government thereto? (d) the demand for the year 1987 and how much out of it is likely to be met? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The Government of West Bengal has inti... MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- mated that it is not a tact that in most towns LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD) : (a) to and sub-divisions of West Bengal, fair (d). The yearly State quota of controlled price shops do not supply sugar and kero- cloth for distribution through the Public sene. Sugar is supplied through 19849 fair Distribution System is fixed by the Textile price shops and kerosene oil through Commissioner, Government of India keep- 29820 retail fair price shops in the State. ing in view the production target of controlled cloth for each year During 1984-85, (b) Does not arise. 1985-86 and 1986-87, the yearly quota and releases of controlled cloth to Sikkim were TIe up I.T.I. with Foreign CoIlaboratora as follows: for Manufacture of Telephone Instruments

Quota Releases 9134. SHRI YASHWANTRAO GADAKH PATIL Will the MinIster of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state. 1984-85 52 bales 987 bale., (a) whether a proposal for tIe up of the 1985-86 48 bales 600 balE:s Illdian Telephone Industries (I.T.I) with foreign collaborators tor the manufacture 1986-87 29~ bales 34'/ bales of telephonE: Instrument IS under consideration of t"~, Department of Electronics; and

Excess releases during 1984-85 and (b) If so. the details thereof? 1985-86 were made at the request of the State agency. According to the State Govt. THE MINIST fA OF STATE IN THE during these two years out of the total MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS releases of 1587 bales of controlled cloth, (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) No, only 11 bales reached the State. Since this Sir. was a case of diversion of controlled cloth, GO\ft. of India has referred the matter to (b) Does not arise. CSI for investigation which is under progress. Setting up of Coal Based Thermal Power Plant In Kahalgaon, Bihar

9135. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN: 9133. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will the Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES state: be pleased to state; (a) the progress made regarding coal (a) whether Government are aware that based thermal power p'ant proposed to be in most of the towns and sub-diviSlons of set up in Kahalgaon of Bihar; West Bengal fair price shops do not supply (b) whether Government propose to set sugar and kerosene oil; and 271 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 272 up a power station in Begusarai district to be opened in the rural areas during the also; and current year?

(c) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a) No DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- new post offices were opened in Samas- ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHILA tipur, Muzaffarpur and Darbhanga Dis- ROHTAGI): (a) Infrastructural develop- tricts during the last two years. ment and site levelling work has been taken up at the Kahalgaon Super Thermal (b) 16 Licensed Postal Agents are work- Power Project being set up in Bihar by the ing in Bihar Circle. The number of regular National Thermal Power Corporation. post offices in rural areas of Bihar is 10,262. Tenders for piling and foundation have been floated and ccnstruction of quarters (c) 55 groups of villages have been iden- and allied facilities in the temporary town- tified in Bihar Circle for purposes of open- ship is in progress. The Detailed Project ing of post offices. However, as there is a Report has been finalised and the Supply ban on creation of posts, the actual Contract is under finalisation. number of post offices that may be opened in Bihar during 1987-88 will depend on the (b) No such proposal is awaiting appro- extent of approval granted by the Ministry val of the Central Government. of Finance.

9137. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN: OpenIng of Poat 0ffICIA In BIhar Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: 9136. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS (a) whether there has been a shortfall in be pleased to state: the production of coal in the country during the last three years; and (a) the number of new post offices opened in Samastipur. Muzaffarpur and (b) if so, the measures taken to improve Darbhanga districts during the last two the same? years; Tt.iE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- (b) the number of contracted post offi- ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHAI ces working in Bihar and the number of VASANT SATHE): (a) Target and actual post offices in rural areas regularised ; and production of coal in the country during the year 1984-85 to 1~87 are as (c) the number of post offices proposed under:-

(In million tonnes)

1984-85 1985-86 1986-87

Target 152.00 154.50 266.80

Actual Production 147.41 154.24 165.79 (Prov.) 273 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 274

Thus, except in the year 1984-85, the (b) if so, the measures being taken to get target of Coal production in the country this unauthorised occupation vacated? 'has been nearly achieved. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Various steps have been taken to MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS increase production which include close (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) No, monitoring of performance of coal com- Sir. There is no encroachment over the panies, ensuring better utilisation of men land purchased by Telecom. Department and machinery, improvement in manage- in Rajgrih, Nalanda District. ment and infrastructural facilities, viz. adequate power supply, etc., and expeditious (b) The question does not arise. completion of projects and better indus.. trial relations. Shortage of Telephone Ope.... ora In Uttar Pradesh [Translation] 9140. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRI- Converalon of Haw.. Telephone PATHI: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- Exchange TIONS be pleased to state:

9138. SHAI KUNWAA AAM: Will the (a) whether communication services are Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be not functioning properly in Uttar Pradesh pleased to state: due to shortage of telephone operators; and (a) the reasons for delay in converting Nawada (Bihar) telephone exchange into (b) if so, whether Government propose an automatic exchange; and to take any steps to remove thiS shortage?

(b) whether this work is likely to be com- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleted during the current year? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) No, Sir. There is no serious shortage of Tele- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE phone Operators in Uttar Pradesh. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a) and (b) In view of the reply at (a) above ques- (b). There is no delay in conversion of tion does not arise. Nawada Telephone Exchange into an automatic Exchange. A 400 line automatic Electronic Exchange is planned during [English) 1987-88. ActIon on Banerjee Commltt.. •• Report SetUng up of AutomatIc Telephone by B.C.C.L Exchllnge at AIIjglih In Nalenda DIatrtct 9141. SHRI E. AYVAPPU REDDY: Will 9139. SHAI KUNWAA RAM: Will the the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be state: pleased to state: (a) whether the Banerjee Committee (a) whether the land purchased by which went into the working of Bharat Department of Telecommunications at Coking Coal Ltd. has made any recommendation regarding overage workers and Rajgrih, Nalanda district to set up auto- the distortions in the work force; matic Telephone Exchange has been occupied unauthorisedly by anti-social (b) If so, the details thereof, and elements; and 275 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 276

(c) the action taken by the Bharat Cok- Government has cleared the project for ing Coal Umited on the recommendations implementation. contained in the Banerjee Committee's Report? Ex~ In Olinda LImIted

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- 9143. PROF. PARAG CHALIHA: Will the ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). In its report, GAS be pleased to state: the Banerjee Committee which went into the working of Bharat Coking Coal Limited (a) the total number of executives in Oil has, inter-alia, observed that there is an India Limited at present; and element of over population and under utilisation of manpower. The Committee has (b) the number out of them who are from also made certain recommendations for the North-Eastem Region ? improving upon the manpower situation in the company. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE" MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- The report of the Committee is under RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN examination in consultation with Coal THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI India Umited. BRAHMA DUTT): (a) 1061.

Report 01 Wortdng Group an Teh.. o.n (b) 527.

9142. SHRI H.M. PATEL: Will the Minis- ter of ENERGY be pleased to state: 9144. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Will (a) whether the working group on Tehri the minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Dam has submitted its final report; state:

(b) if so, the details thereof (8) whether Government have sponsored any scheme on Margin Money (c) whether Government have pro- Assistance to sick small scale industrial ~edthereport;and units in the country;

(d) if so, the action taken on the report? (b) if so, the details of the scheme;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the number of small scale industrial DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- units which are faCing sickness in each ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHAIMATI SUSHILA State; ROHTAGI): (a) and (b). A Committee of Experts studied the environmental, reha- (d) the details of assistance given to each bilitational, geoIogical/geo-morphoiogicai State under the scheme during the year and seismic aspects of the TehA project 1986-87; and and has concluded that adequate data and studies have been made to arrive at a safe (e) the number of sick industrial units and economic engineering structure and which received the assistance in each adequate technicat expertise is available to State during the said period? deal with the design and construction of the project. The safety aspect of the dam THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has also been looked into. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (c) and (d). After considering the report TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM):

(b). The Central Govemment had initiated banks at the end of December. 1985 is a Margin Money Scheme for revival of sick given below. units in the small scale sector. Under this scheme. loans were advanced on a match- ing basis to State Governments. The maxi- (d) and (e). As the scheme 10 Its prest!" t mum quantum of assistance was restricted form was not found to be effectiw.. it is to As. 20.000 per unit. under review in consultation with the State Governments. Only a token provision was (c) The State--wise information relating made in the Central Budget 1986-87 and to the total number of sick small scale units no assistance was released to the State in the portfolio of scheduled commercial Governments.

STATEMENT

Statewise data relating to sick SSI units as at the end of December 1985 (Amount in eror. of Rs)

81. Name of the State I No. of Amount No. Union Territory Units Outstanding

4 1 2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh 8694 62.82

2. Assam 5683 7.80

3. Bihar 8570 48.95

75.03 4. Gujarat 4045

25.21 5. Haryana 1500

413 3.24 6. Himachal Pradesh

1382 6.28 7. Jammu & Kashmir

5705 77.61 8. Karnataka

2378 45.97 9. Kerala 7843 31.37 10. Madhya Pradesh 8567 187.32 11. Maharashtra 6894 0.41 12. Manipur 141 0.10 13. Meghalaya 7 0.02 14. Nagaland 279 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 280

1 2 3 4

15. Orissa 5299 29.49

16. Punjab 1345 21.69

17. Rajasthan 5964 29.22

18. Tamil Nadu 15171 107.71

19. Tripura 245 0.79

20. Uttar Pradesh 12036 81.69

21. West Bengal 18620 142.52

22. Andaman & Nicobar

23. Arunachal Pradesh 11 Negligible

24. Chandigarh 171 5.73

25. Dadra & Nagar Haveli 3 0.06

26. Delhi 2271 67.4

27. Goa, Daman & Diu 808 8.85

28. Mizoram 2 0.01

29. Pondicherry 240 3.31

Total 117783 1070.67

Source : Reserve Bank of India Award of Gas Based Power Project by (c) the manner in which the deal is being NatIonal ThennaI Power CorporatIon processed?

9145. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI state: VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c). A final decision in regard to the evaluation of offers (a) whether his Ministry has raised and the award of contracts for the three objections to the recommendations of the Combined Cycle gas based power pro- Board of the National Thermal Power Cor- jects has not yet been taken. The offers poration to award the 560 MW gas-based received are being considered based on power projects to Alsthom Atlantic. the the normal procedures and the World French power equipment manufacturing Bank's procurement guidelines. company; Alternallve of LPG (b) if so, what is the basis of objection raised; and 9146. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: Will the 281 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 282

Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL land IS payable to the land owners apart GAS be pleased to state: from damages to crops etc. GAIL have informed that the assessment relating to (a) whether a private sector unit in Uttar crop damages, if any, is being made by the Pradesh has come out with an alternative Competent Authority and the quantum of to liquified petroleum gas (LPG); and compensation is currently being determined. It is GAIL's intention to make the (b) if so, the details thereof? payment of compensation for ROU along with the compengation for the crop THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE damages. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN Huge loss suffered by ONGC THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT) (a) and (b) A claim about MIs. Hilton Precision Umited being 9148. SHRI P.M. SA YEED: able to procure a non-petroleum product SHRI BALWANT SINGH called Liquified Product of Callulose RAMOOWALLlA: (LPG) to replace LPG has been reported in the press; the firm has reportedly Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND approached the District Industries Office, NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: Jalaun for industrial sheds at Kalpi (U.P.). This product appears to be an ethanol mix- (a) whether his attention has been drawn ture which can be obtained through fer- to a report of the Comptroller and Auditor mentation of carbohydrates which are General as reported in the Financial contained in various agricultural products. Express dated 10 March, 1987 according to which Oil and Natural Gas Commission Compensation to fanners for the ... of suffered a loss of Rs. 251akhs due to avoid- .Md and destruction of crops during able printing error; laying of HBJ PlpeUne (b) if so. the details of the case: 9147. SHRI YASHWANTRAO GADAKH PATIL: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM (c) the excess foreign exchange AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: involved; and

(a) whether it is a fact that the farmers in (d) the action taken against persons Gujarat have not been paid any compensa- respot'lSible? tion for the use of their land and destruction of crops on account of HBJ Pipeline THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE project; and MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN (b) if so, the facts thereof and Govern- THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHAI ment's reaction thereto? BRAHMA DUTT): (a) Yes, Sir.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- (b) to (d). The bid package based on the RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN report of the Soil Consultant indicated a THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI water depth of 78.3 metres for sa Platform BRAHMA DUlT): (a) and (b). Right of User location. However, based on a precon- for 30 metre wide corridor of land along the struction survey the water depth was reas- HBJ route has been secured under the Pet- sessed as 72.3 metres. This variation in roleum and Minerals Pipelines Act 1962, water depth led to ONGC incurring an after the issue of necessary statutory notifi- additional expenditure of about Rs. 25.74 cations. As per the Act 10% of the cost of lakhs for re-engineering works. In case this 283 Written Answers MAY 5.1987 Written Answers 284 re-engineenng work was not undertaken. [Eng/ish) it would have cost ONGC about two million dollars on account of higher structural PIacurwnent of Foodg...... under PItce steel tonnage etc. ONGC is being asked to SlippOrt Scheme In ...... look into this. 9150. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. BHOSALE: Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL [Trans/ation] SUPPLIES be pleased to state:

AcconunodaIon for SC/ST Employ••• (a) whether procurement of foodgrains at Poe.. Md Tal.communIc8IIans under price support scheme has been o.p.rtmenta extended during 1986-87;

(b) if so, the quantity of jowar, bajra and 9149. SHRI R.P. SUMAN: Will the Minis- paddy purchased under the scheme from ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to 21st October 1986 to 15th March 1987 in state: each district of Maharashtra and the target fixed for the same;

(a) the number of quarters. type-wise. (c) the quantity of foodgralns procured available in each State for allotment to under price support scheme in Maharash- employees of Posts and Tetecommunica- tra during the last three years, year-wise: tions Departments and the details in and regard to their allotment; and (d) the issue price of rice and wheat to consumers in Maharashtra under tT.D.P. (b) the State-wise number of cities areas? selected for allotment of accommodation and the number and percentage of quar- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ters allotted to employees belonging to MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPP- Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes In LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) each category and whether quota in this Yes, Sir. rasped reserved for class I, II. III and IV employees has been completed fully and if (b) During the 1986-87 kharif marketing not. the reasons therefor? season. 54 tonnes of paddy and 7733 tonnas of jowar have been procured under the price support scheme upto 15-3-87. No THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE bajra has been procured. No targets are MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS fixed as the grains are procured to extend (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): (a> and price support to farmers. District-wise fig- (b). Information IS being collected and ures are not available with the Central will be laid on the Table of the House. Government. (c):- ('000 tannes) Coarsegrains

Marketing Paddy Jowar Bajra Total season 0.1 8.1 0.4 8.5

1984-85 1.1 115.0 0.2 175.2

1985-86 1.7 88.5 88.5 285 Wrinen Answers VAISAKHA 15, '1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 286 . (d) Rice (common) and wheat are being Import LlcetICll to Soft DItnk ISSUed to the consumers in ITDP areas in Manufllclu,... ~harashtra at As. 185/- and As. 155/-per qUintal. respectively. 9152. SHRI ANANDA PATHAK: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state:

Dereservation of Post of Medical Officers (a). whether natural essential oils, Gum in DESU ~rablc and Cola Nut extract are being Imported by the soft drink industry; 9151. SHRI NANDLAL CHOUDHARY: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (b) if so, the approximate value of state: imports of these items during 1985-86;

(a) whether Delhi Electric Supply Under- (C) whether these items are also taking have sought the advice of Govern- imported by the flavour and perfume ment to dereserve the post of Senior industry; and Medical Officers reserved for SC/ST in that undertaking; (d) if so, the value of imports by them during the same period? (b) whether the Delhi Electric Supply Undertaking have already promoted some THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE officers belonglng to general category in DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- other grades by relaxln9 the period of regu- LOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- lar qualifying service when they had not TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to completed the prescribed pertod of regular (d). Some natural essential oils and some service; and raw materials like vegetable extracts are imported by the soft drink concentrate (c) if so, the reason why the cases of manufacturers/flavour and perfume manu- officers belonging to the category of facturers under OGL. While the industry- SC/ST are not being considered on the wise or item-wise import statistics is not same basis? available, the country's import of lemon oil, food colo~rs, food dyes, mixtures of odo- riferous substances and natural edible gums, etc. by all the user industries was of THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MIN- the order of Rs. 1053.67 lakhs in 1984-85. ISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI Similar data beyond 1984-85 are not VASANT SATHE): (a) In one case, DESU available. has referred the matter regarding dereservation of the vacancy to the Government. l.o8IlUtfered by NCCF on NIIgpur DIll M• .nd Paper UnH at HIntIhna (b) and (c). According to Delhi Electric Supply Undertaking, the general category 9153. SHRI PIUS TIRAKY: Will the Min- officers in other grades in some cases were ister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be promoted by relaxing the period of regular pleased to state: qualifying service as no other eligible officer was available for consideration. In (8) whether it is a fact that National the case of promotion to the post of Senior Cooperative Consumers' Federation of medical officer, general category officers India Limited suffered Joss in 1983-84 and semor to the Scheduled Castes category of 1984-85 on Nagpur Dal Mill and Paper Unit officer and fulfilling the requirement of in Hinghna; prescribed period of regular qualifying service are available for consideration of (b) if so, the loss suffered and the rea- promotion. sons for the same; and 287 Written Answers MAY 5,1987 Written Answers 288

(c) whether any responsibility has been U.. of Low-Sulphur-Hlgh-Slock Fuel In fixed for the losses suffered? Power GenendIon In Tamil Nadu

9155. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVil SUpp- LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): (a) to (a) whether a private sector unit in Met- (c). NCCF has reported that during 1983- tur, Tamil Nadu, has successfully used the 84 and 1984-85 it had suffered a loss of Rs. Low-Sulphur-High-Stock (lSHS) fuel in 25.44 lakhs in the Dal Mill at Nagpur and power generation; the Paper Unit at Hinghna. It has also been reported by the NCCF that according to (b) whether Government of Tamil Nadu the finding of its internal Audit Party, the have urged the Union Government to per- loss of the Dal Mill was due to a dowpward mit the use of this liquid fuel for running trend in the price of Dal in April-June, 1985 power plants in the coal-starved Tamil and the loss in the Hinghna Paper Unit was Nadu; and due to an increased burden of interest cost arising out of holding up of stocks of paper (c) if so, the action taken thereon? for a longer period because of the labour strike in the Unit. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHILA MRTP ttot..es In Joint Sector ROHTAGI): (a) A private sector unit in Tamil Nadu is using low Sulphur Heavy 9154. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the Minister Stock (LSHS), in a combined cycle gas of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: turbine unit for power generation.

(a) the names of the MRTP Houses in the (b) and (c). The State Electricity Board Joint Sector and the increase in their are already using lSHS for stabilisation assets during the last three years; in thermal power stations at Mettur, Ennore and Tuticorin. The proposal for (b) the contribution of MRTP hOLJses in installing a 120 MW gas turbine at Basin the promotion of industries through Joint Bridge, envisaging use of lSHS, awaits Sector; and confirmed availability of fuel.

(c) whether Joint Sector Enterprises are Supply of Keraeene to 0 ..... counted as Public Sector Enterprises by the Bureau of Public Enterprises? 9156. SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NAUTRAl GAS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL (a) whether Government are consider- DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF ing any proposal to augment the supply of INDUSTRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): kerosene to rural areas and drought prone (a) and (b). The Information is being col- areas of Orissa; and lected and, to the extent available, will be laid on the Table of the House. (b) if so, the details thereof?

(c) Only such enterprises in which the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE shareholding by or on behalf of the Central MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- Government is not less than 51% are RAL GAS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN regarded as central public sector THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI enterprises. BRAHMA DUTT): (a) and (b). Allocation of 289 Written Answers VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 290 kerosene oil to Orissa and other States/ by Foundation for Organisational Union Territories for the current Research (FORE); Summer Block comprising the months of March to June, 1987, has been made at the (b) if so, the findings of the study; and growth rate of 7% over the allocation made for the same block of last year. Besides, (c) Government's reaction thereon? additional adhoc allocation is also given to meet specific situations like drought, THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR PUB- flood, shortage of LPG/soft coke, etc. on LIC ENTERPRISES IN THE MINISTRY OF specific requests. INDUSTRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): (a) and (b). The Foundation for Organisa- The total allocation made to Orissa for tional Research (FORE), a privatety run this Summer Block is 40640 tonnes as training-cum-research institute, have against 38740 tonnes given for the same reportedly carried out a study on their own Block last year. No request from Onssa on attitudinal training;n public enterprises. Govt. for additional allocation of kerosene The recommendations of the study have for any drought prone areas is pending not, however, been forwarded to the with this Ministry. Government.

CIoIure of Handtool Industry of Haryana (c) Does not arise. in view of above.

9157. SHRI H.N. NANJE GOWDA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to 12.00 hrs. state: [English] (a) whether five major units of handtool industry in Haryana have stopped their SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (PanaJI) Slf, production; It is a good sign that regarding the Presi- dent's Secretariat the CBI has started an (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and inquiry. But we would like to know whether the Government documents are very safe (C) the remedial steps taken by there, and after the Judgement of the Government? Supreme Court whether any measures have been taken. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- ( Interruptions) OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to MR SPEAKER: Nothing dOing. I have (c). No major unit in the organi~,od sector, given my Ruling, and that stands. mimufactunng handtools and located In Haryana, has reported discontinuance of production. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Sir, you may just assure us that the Government docu- Study on Attltuclnal Training In Public ments are saf~ there ... Enterplt_ by FORE MR SPEAKER: Government has to take 9158. SHRI NARSING SURYAVANSI: action, I cannot do anything. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: We want to (a) whether Government's attention has know whether any measures have been been drawn to the finding of a study on taken after the Judgement of the Supreme "Attitudinal Training in Public Enterprises" Court. 291 MAY 5,1987 292

MR SPEAKER: Nothing doing. Mr Naik, I MR.SPEAKER: Let them do it, I don't told you that day. It is so simple. When I say mind. I have never barred anybody. Have I, a thing, I say a thing, that is all. Sir? I am not at fault at all.

(Interruptions) (Interruptions)

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mehbub- SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I have a sug- nagar): Sir, we learn from the press that Mr. gestion to make. Ghani Khan Choudhury has resigned. We do not know the reason, we have not been MR SPEAKER: No, Mr. Jaipal Reddy. told, Sir. [Translation]

There are other Members also in the [Translation] House.

MR .. SPEAKER: Jaipalji, you know the [English] rules. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: The PAC [English] Report should be discussed.

You know the processes. you know the [Translation] Minister c.an make a statement. I cannot force him. So simple it is. MR. SPEAKER: I had told you yesterday, I have said .nothing new today. ( Interruptions) [English] SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): Sir, three Ministers have resigned without giv- Who is barring you from discussion? ing any reasons to ~he Parliament. [Translation] MR .. SPEAKER: What can I do about it? You do it. SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: What are we to do? [English]

MR.SPEAKER: What can I do? Tell me. SHAI SHAAAD DIGHE (Bombay North Central): Sir, 10,000 textile workers of NTC SHRt INDRAJIT GUPTA: That is why mills in Bombay are being denied jobs. speculation starts. [Translation] MRSPEAKER: You tell me, Sir, what can I do about it? MR SPEAKER: You give it in writing under Rule 377. SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: Three Cabinet Ministers have resigned without giving any [Eng/ish] reasons to the Parliament. SHRI SHARAD DEGHE : They are on MR SPEAKER: Guptaji, you tell me what dharna. can I do. He has the option, he can make a statement. But t can't force anybody. [Translation]

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I think you MR. SPEAKER: Give it to me in writing want to discourage speculatIon. Is It not? under Rule 377. 293 VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) 294

[English] very serious affair, why should they be dismissed if they suggest a method to detect... You use Rule 377 as a medium. MR.SPEAKER: Not allowed. [Translation] (Interruptions)** SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOOWA- UA (Sangrur): Mr. Speaker Sir, my point is MR SPEAKER: I dO"not know whether that it rained very heavily 5 days ago in this IS the case. Punjab and Haryana, there were thunder- storms... (Interruptions) **

MR SPEAKER: It is all right, you give it MR. SPEAKER: No, there is no question. to me in writing. ( Interruptions) SHAI BAlWANT SINGH RAMOOWA- LlA: I have given a notice... MR. SPEAKER: Do you think that this attracts the motion which you have MA. SPEAKER: You give the notice brought to me? under Rule 377. MADHU DANDAVATE: only SHAI BALWANT SINGH RAMOOWA- PROF. I say, let them clarify. LlA: I have given it, but the Government has not provided any relief or financial help. MR. SPEAKER: No question of clarification.

MR. SPEAKER. I have understood, I (Interruptions) Will do It You give It to me Ir. wntlng under Rule 377 MR, SPEAKER: Nothing is needed. No problem. [English 1

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE [ Translation] (Rajapur): Sir, a very serious news has appeared in the press today that one lAS Yes, what is it? officer who tried to suggest a method to detect ... SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: Mr. Speaker, Sir, lakhs of people are being dis- MR. SPEAKER: No, nothing, Professor. possessed of their land holdmgs ...

[Translation] MRSPEAKER: You give it in writing, this cannot happen. You see, you are again repeating it. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: My sub- (Interruptions) mission is that in the Parliament.. .. MR. SPEAKER: You give it in writing [English] under Rule 377. I do not know what it is. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: I have PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: It is a talked to him.

•• Not recorded. 295 Papers Laid MAY 5,1987 Papers Laid 296

MR SPEAKER: It is alright. 116th to 118th Reports of Law Commission [English] THE MINISTER C'F STATE IN THE You are welcome, Sir. I can't do it. You give MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHAI me a notice under Rule 377 and I will allow H.R. BHARDWAJ): I beg to lay on the it. Table-

[Translation J (1) A copy of the One Hundred Six- teenth Report (Hindi and Engli~h SHRI SYEO SHAHABUDDIN: It is ..... versions) of the Law Commission Assam Accord. on _Formation of an All-India Judi- cial Service. [Placed in Library (Interruptions) See No. LT-4329/87]

MA SPEAKER: I cannot do anything in (2) A copy of One Hundred Seven- this regard. teenth Report (Hindi and English versions) of the Law Commission (Interruptions) on Training of Judicial Officers. [Placed in Library. See No. L T- [English] 4330/87]

Nothing allowed. (3) A copy of One Hundred Eight- eenth Report (Hindi and English [Translation] versions) of the Law Commission on Method of Appointments to SHAI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: It should Subordinate Courts/Subordinate be enquired Into. Judiciary. [Placed in Library. See No. LT -4331/87] MR SPEAKER: Look Sir, I have told you that you have the means: you can depend on them. Why put your burden on my Notification amenclng Notification No. shoulders? 132-Ca.t0m8 dated 2-7-1980 Under Customs Act 12.03 hI'S. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

[English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANAR- Nollflcatlon under Euen.... DHANA POOJARY): I beg to lay on the Act CommodIties Table a copy of Notification No. G.S.R. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 421 (E) (Hindi and English versions) pub- MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUpp- lished in Gazette of India dated the 28th LIES (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAO): I beg April,1987 together with an explanatory to lay on the Table a copy of the Solvent- memorandum making certain amend- Extracted Oil, De-oiled Meal and Edible ments to Notification No. 132-Customs Rour (Control) Amendment Order, 1986 dated the 2nd July, 1980 so as to add four (Hindi and English versions) published in more products of Nepalese origin to the list Notification No. G.S.R. 378(E) in Gazette of items which qualify for preferential entry of India dated the 9th April, 1987 under into India in terms of Indo-Nepal Treaty of sub-section (6) of section 3 of the Essential Trade, 1978 under section 159 of the Cus- Commodities Act, 1955. [Placed in Library. toms Act, 1962. [Placed in Library. See No. See No. L T-4328/87] L T -4332/87] 297 Papers Laid VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Papers Laid 298

Reviews on and Annual Reports of Cement (ii) Annual Report of the Braith- Corporation of India, Ltd., New Oelhi for waite and Company Limited, cal- 1984-85, and 1985-86 and of Braithwaite cutta, for the year 1985-86 along and Co. Ltd., Celcutta for 1985-86 and with Audited Accounts and the Statements re:delay In 18ylng these papers comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [Placed in Library" See No. LT- DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC ENTER- 4335/87] PRI3ES IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (PROF. K.K. TEWARY): I begtolayon (2) Three statements (Hindi and the Table-- English versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the pap- (1) A copy each of the following papers mentioned at (1) above. ers (Hindi and English versions) (Placed In Library. See No. LT- under sub-section (1) of section 4333 to 4335/86] 619A of the Companies A("t, 1956:- Notlftcationa under Induabtee (a) (i) A statement regarding (Development and Regulation) Act, Review by the Government on E8Ienlal Commodities Act, CoInpMy the working of the Cement Cor- Secretaries Act, and under Charter8d poration of India Limited, New Accountants Act Delhi, for the year 1984--85. THE MINISTEH OF STATE IN THE (ii) Annual Report of the Cement DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- Corporation of India Limited, OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- New Delhi, for the year 1984-85 TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): I beg to along with Audited Accounts and lay on the Table- the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon. (1) f\ copy each ofthefollowing Noti- [Placed in Library. See No. L T- fications (Hindi and English ver- 4333/87] SIons) under sub-section (2) of section 18A/18AA of the Indus- (b) (i) A statement regarding tries (Development and Regula- Review by the Government on tion) Act, 1951:- the working of the Cement Cor- poration of India Limited, New (i) S.O. 266(E) published in Delhi, for the year 1985-86. Gazette of India dated the 30th March, 1987 regarding extension (ii) Annual Report of the Cement of penod of take over of manage- Corporation of India Limited, ment of Messrs Apollo Zipper New Delhi, for the year 1985-86 Company Private Limited, Cal- along with Audited Accounts and cutta, beyond five years. the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon. (ii) S.O. 267(E) published in (Placed in Library. See No. L T- Gazette of India dated the 30th March, 1987 regarding extension 4334/87] of period of take over of manage- (c) (i) Review by the Government ment of Messrs Indian Health on the working of the Braithwaite Institute and Laboratory Limited, and Company Limited, Calcutta Calcutta, beyond five years. for the year 1985-86. 299 Papers Laid MAY 5,1987 Papers Laid 300

(iii) S.O. 268(E) published in Notification No. 710(2)(M)(1) in Gazette of India dated the 30th Gazette of India dated the 9th March, 1987 regarding extension March, 1987 under sub-section of period of take over of manage- (4) of section 39 of the Company ment of Messrs India Belting and Secretaries Act, 1980. [Placed in Cotton Mills Limited, Serampore, Library. See No. L T -4338/87] West Bengal, beyond five years. (4) A copy each of the following Noti- (iv) S.D. 269(E) published in fications (Hindi and English ver- Gazette of India dated the 30th Sions) under section 30B of March, 1987 regarding extension the Chartered Accountants of period of take over of manage- Act, 1949:- ment of Messrs Alok Udyog (i) Notification No. 1- Vanaspati and Plywood Limited, CA(131 )/82 published in Gazette beyond five years. of India dated the 17th May, 1986 making certain amendments to (v) S.D. 270(E) published in the Chart~red Accountants Regu- Gazette of India dated the 30th lations. 1964. [Placed In Library. March, 1987 regarding extension See No. L T-4339/87) of period of take over of management of Gluconate Limited, Cal- (ii) Notification No. 1- cutta, beyond five years. CA(148)/85 published in Gazette of India dated the 17th May, 1986 (vi) S.O. 271 (E) published in making certaIn amendments to Gazette of India dated the 30th the Chartered Accountants Regu- March. 1987 regarding extension lations. 1964. [Placed In LIbrary. of penod of take over of manage- See No. LT-4340/87] ment of Messrs Lily Biscuit Com- pany (Private) Limited, and Lily Barley Mills (Pnvate, Limited, (iii) Notification No. 1- CA(7)/152/86 published in Calcutta. beyond five years. Gazette of India dated the 8th [Placed in Library. See No. L T- November, 1986 making certain 4336/87] amendments to the Chartered Accountants Regulations, 1964. (2) A copy of the Electrical Applian- [Placed in Library. See No. L T- ces (Quality Control) Order, 1987 4341/87] (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. G.S.R. Nottflcation Under Essential Commodi- 375(E) in Gazette of India dated ties Act the 8th April, 1987 under sub- secflon (6) ot section 3 of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Essential Commodities Act, 1955. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND [Placed in Library. See No. L T- PETRO-CHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY 4337/87] OF INDUSTRY (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): I beg to lay on the Tabtea copy of (3) A copy of the Company Secretar- the Drugs (Prices Control) Second ies (Admendment) Regulations, Amendment Order, 1986 (Hindi and Eng· 1987 (Hindi and English versions) lish versions) published in Notification No. published in Notification No. S.D. 864(E) in Gazette of India dated the 710(2)(M)(1) in Gazette of India 25th November, 1986 under SUb-section dated the 23rd February. 1987 (6) of section 3 0' the Essential Commodi- together with a corrigendum to ties Act, 1955. [Placed in library. See No. the English version published in L T -4342/87] 301 Matters Under Rule, 3n VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Matters under Rule, 377 302

Annual Report of and Review on Damodar [Translation] Valley Corporation Calcutta for 1985-86. etc., and Budget Estimates of Damodar (I) Demand tor alcohol-bued Indul- Valley Corporation for 1987-88 tries in Azamgarh and Ballia districts of Uttar Pradesh

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI (Ghosi): Sir, DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN- Azamgarh and Ballia' are the most back- ISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRIMATI SUSHILA ward and neglected districts of eastern ROHTAGI): I beg to lay on the Table- Uttar Pradesh. Lakhs of unemployed youths are facing acute unemployment. These districts are the most backward dis- (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report tricts as far as industry IS concerned. Sev- (Hindi and English versions) of eral sugar mills are functioning in the Damodar Valley Corporation. Azamgarh and Ballia and its adjoining dis- Calcutta, for the year 1985-86 tricts Gorakhpur, Deoria, Basti, Gonda, along with Audited Accounts Jaunpur etc. The molasses being pro- under sub-section (5) of section I duced in these mills is not being utilised 45 of the Damodar Valley Corpo- properly and is going waste. We can set up ration Act, 1948. alcohol based units there which will help in reducing the import of chemicals and save (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi foreign exchange, Moreover, thousands of and English versions) by the persons in eastern Uttar Pradesh will get Government on the working of employment opportunities. the Damodar Valley Corporation, Calcutta, for the year 1985-86. Therefore, I would request the Govern- (2) A statement (Hindi and English, ment to set up an alcohol based industry versions) showing reasons for in Azamgarh or in Ballia district of Uttar delay in laying the papers menti- Pradesh so that the local unemployed oned at (a) above. [Placed in youths may get employment. Library. See No. L T -4343/87] (ii) Demand for dams on rivera 'Naar' and 'Paar' for making available drtnklng water to peo- (3) A copy of the Budget ES~imatesl (Hindi and English versions) of ple of Malagaon, Chadwad and the Damodar Valley Corporation Yavla tehslls of Naslk district In for the year 1987-88 under sub- Maharashtra section (3) of section 44 of the SHRI S. S. SHOVE (Malegaon): Sir. Damodar Valley Corporation Act, Nandgaon, Malegaon and Chadwad teh- 1948. [Placea in Library. See No. sils of Nasik district of Maharashtra are LT-4344/87] in the grip of severe drought. Although there are a number of dams there but water 12.05 hI'S. is not discharged as required. As a result, the people of the above tehsils are not getting sufficient drinking water. MA TTERS UNDER RULE 3n There are two Westward flowing rivers, 'Paar' and 'Naar' which ultimately join the [English] Arabian sea. There are no dams over them MR SPEAKER: The house will take up to ensurA the availability of water. big dams should be constructeo at their Origin Matters unoer Rule 377. 303 Matters Under Rule. 3n MAY 5.1987 Matters Under Rule, 377 304

[Shn s.s. Bhoye] this train at Tundla is a must in public interest. At Firozabad also, the Magadha and they be diverted eastwards so as to Express halts while passing one way only. ensure regular water supply to Malegaon, It should have a halt both ways. It is unfor- Nandgaon, Chadwad and Yavla tehsils. tunate that the halt of Assam mail and Neelachal Express have also been with- 12.06 h .... drawn. This has caused discontentment among the people. The Railway Ministry [MR DEPUTY SPEAt{ER In the Chair] should not take such one sided action as agitates the mind of the people. They must A number of peoples' representatives restore the halt of Neelachal and Assam and orgamsatlons have made an effort In mail and provide a halt of Magadh Express this direction and they are still continuing on both sides. Similarly, super fast trains their efforts. Besides, the Maharashtra Government has also surveyed this should also halt at Shlkohabad Junction for a few minutes during the day time. The scheme But In spite of the persisting Railway Ministry is requested to take these demand from the people, the Government matters seriously and remove the gnevan- has not taken action in this respect. If the ces of the people Government takes speCial Interest in this scheme. It Will solve the problem of dnnk- (Iv) Demand for ftnancial __tance ing water of this drought affected area and of Rs. ten lakhs from the Prime ensure development of agriculture. Minister's Relief fund to persons affected by fire In Khaillabad dis- Therefore, I would : equest the Govern- trict of U.P. and for construction ment of IndIa to send a survey team for of houses for them under indira conducting a survey to divert the waters of Awas Yojn. the 'Paar' and 'Naar' rivers eastward and also provide funds therefor. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI (III) Demand for halt of Gomtl (Khahlabad) Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, dur- Ex~ at Tundla Junction and ing summer, incidents of fire take place in Stoppage of certain express/ different parts of the country and the State superfast trains at Firozabad and Governments provide assistance to the Shlkohabad railway stations affected persons at their level A devastatlnO fire broke out in Mehdawal and Hainsar SHRI GANGA RAM (Flrozabad)· Mr. Bazar Development Block in district Basti Deputy Speaker Sir, the Tundla and Shl- in U.P. It has stunned the people of the kohabad railway junctions of Agra district whole State. As many as 128 houses were and the Firozabad railway station have burnt to ashes in Machhli village alone. their own importance. There is imperative Crops, houses and property have been need to have a halt of the Gomti Express at reduced to ashes. At least three cattle Tundla Junctions. We have come to know heads and a woman were burnt to death. that a halt for this train has been provided One shudders to think of the sight of the at Etawah railway station while Tundla devastated village. The people there have junction is more important than this rail- no houses to live In and nothmg to eat. The way station, because not only the trains U.P. Government has tried to gIve relief to bound for Agra and Firozabad pass the affected people but It IS negligIble In through this junction but the trains for view of the magnitude of the loss. The peo- Delhi, Allahabad, Calcutta and Lucknow ple are now facing acute problem of bread also pass through this junction and stop and shelter which are essential for life. there. A lot of inconvenience is being experienced by the people an the absence of a Therefore. I would request the han. halt at Tundla of the Gomtl Express which Prime Minister to prOVide special assist- runs during day time. Therefore. a halt of ance of As. 10 Idkhs from the Prime Manis- 305 Matters Under Rule, 377 VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) Matters Under Rule, 377 306 ter's Relief Fund to give relief to these uty Speaker, Sir, the national highway No. people in the hours of crisis and get special 12 which connects Jaipur with Jabalpur fund sanctioned under Indira Awas VOJna should be extended upto Mandla and for providing them houses so that their linked with national highway No. 43. This problem of shelter and bread IS solved will benefit Mandla, Kabrdha, etc. which are predominently tribal districts. Mandla (v) Demand for handing over exca- district of Madhya Pradesh is a backward vated idols to concerned reli- district and has 61 percent Adivasi papula-. gious communities, particularly tion. But there is no national highway there the jain idols excavated in Hansi as a result of which developmental works (Haryana) and Damoh (Madhya are not progressing and means of com- Pradesh) to Jain Community munications have not improved. It is necessary to have effective means of road SHRI DAL CHANDER JAIN (Damoh): commUnicatIon for the progress of the dis- Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the idols found by trict. Therefore, the Minister of Surface the Archaeological Department during the Transport should extend national highway excavation operatson or In the fields or No. 12 beyond Jabalpur and Unk it with houses should be handed over to the con- National Highway No. 43 at Raipur via cerned religious communities for worship Mandla. This Will provide a complete road and security. If these idols are not handed link between Rajasthan and Madhya Pra- over to them, it will hurt their religious sen- desh and the linking of National Highway timents and create discontentment among No. 12 and National Highway No. 43 will them. The idols which are not worshipped also provide a road link between Andhra in any community can be retained in the Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh and museum by the Archaeological depart- Rajasthan. ment for proper maintenance. For example, some idols of Jain Tirthankar were found during excavation in Hansi in (English] Haryana which have been placed in the Office of District Magistrate. The Jain com- (vii) Demand for looking Into the munity have made a number of requests activities of the Railway for handing them over to the community Employees CooperatIve Group but no satisfactory reply IS bemg gIven HousIng SocIety, DeIhl to them. SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA (Vishnupur): I would request through this House that Sir, I would like to say a f~w words about the idols should be handed over to the Jain the plight of some railway employees- community so that they may worship them most of them have retired or are going to and maintain them properly. retire from the Railways. They had registered themselves With the so-catted Railway Similarly. the Jain idols found during Employees' Co-operative Group Housing excavation at Bandakpore In Damoh dis- Society Ltd. which was registered in 1972 trict (Madhya Pradesh) may be handed with the fond hope of getting housing over to the Jain community for worship accommodation so that they could spend and security so as to avoid any discontent- their retired life under some shelter peace- ment among that community. fully. But to their dismay, till now they have not got their flats. The DDA had allotted 2 (vi) DemMd for connecting national acre land to·the Society in 1975 and later Highway No. 12 with National re-allotted one acre in June, 1978 at Pitam- Highway No. 43 from Jabalpur to pura, Sharda Niketan, Delhi-34 for con- Ralpur via Mandla struction of 50 units. But only part construction has been completed so far SHAI M.L. JHIKRAM (Mandla): Mr. Dep- according to my information. ~7 Governors (Emolu., Allow. MAY 5,1987 & Prlv.) Amdt. Bill 308

[Shri Ajit Kumar Saha) 4th May, 1987. namely:- Normally the construction of such a project should have been completed within 2 "That the Bill to amend the Gov- years from the date of allotment of land by em91'S (Emoluments, Allowances DDA. Despite this, .no action has been and Privileges) Act. 1982. be taken in the matter. No audit has report- taken ;nto consideration." edly taken place into the accounts of this Society since June. 1984. Thus the inno- Shri Virdhi Chandar Jain. Please be cent members who had invested their life- brief, Sir. time savings in expectation of flats are Suffering for no fault of theirs. (Trans/ation] I. therefore. urge upon the Government SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN to look into the matter and instruct the (Barmar): Yes Sir, I will be brief. Mr. Dep- Registrar of SocietieslDDA to get the flats uty Speaker, Sir, I was speaking on the completed within a minimum period to avoid any further harassment to the Governors (Emoluments, Allowances and retired/retiring employees and others. Privileges), Amendment Bill. I am of the view that the office of the Govemor is (vii) Demand tor a centre for U.P.S.C. essential in a democratic set up. I fully e.amlnetloM 81 Genglok In agree With the views of Shri Venkata Rat- nam. The Governor should be an impartial, SIddm honest and highly learned person. It is the SHRIMATI O.K. BHANDARI (Sikkim): responsibility of the Central Government The Union Public Service Commission has to keep these qualificatiOns in mind while examination centres in most of the State making appointment of Govemor in the Capitals. This is a boon to candidates States because when a State is placed residing in those States. So far. Sikkim is under President rule the Governor has to not covered by this facility. Our boys and assume the responsibility of looking after gir1s have to go all the way to Calcutta or to the administration of the State. If he is not other places far off from the State to sit in competent, he would not be able to run the UPSC examinations. This entails great fin- administration of the State properly. So, it ancial hardships apart from the difficulty is necessary that the Govemor should be in finding suitable accommodation during impartial, honest and a highly leamed per- the examination period. THis is a great dis- son. Any politician who has been expelled advantage to them. This is also the main from a political party or who has no place reason why our boys and girls cannot think in the politics should not be appointed as a of appearing in UPSC examinations. It is. Governor. The Governor also performs the therefore, requested that the Government duties of a Chancellor of Universities of his would kindly look into it and recommend State. Due to this, he has a great responsi- to the UPSC for its examination centre at bility to look after the education in the Gangtok, the State Capital. State. Unless he is a highly leamed person, he cannot discharge his functions as a 12.15 .... Chancellor. In our State, learned persons like Sampoornanandji were appointed as GOVERNORS (EMOLUMENTS. ALLO- Governor which had a salutary effect on WANCES AND PRIVILEGES) AMEND- the State. The Governors who are not com- MENT BILL-contd. petent, Interfere In the affairs of the Unl- WM'Sity. This lowers the dignity of the office [Eng/ish) of the Governor. With this in view, if there is need to amend the Constitution for provid- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now we take ing these qualifications, it should be done up further consideration of the following Besides, there should be some guidelines motion moved by Shri Buta Singh, on the to ensure that the office of the Governor is 309 Governors (Emolu., Allow. VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 310

not misused. Guidelines can also be pro- With these words I support the Bill. vided for by amending the Constitution, or they can be incorporated in the rules (Translation] beCause sometimes such responsibility comes on them that they are not able to SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Hanam- discharge them properly. In such a situa- konda): Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, the office tion. the position of Governors becomes of Govemor is being given considerable very odd and they become the subject of importance. But we often come across the aiticism. Therefore, it is necessary that criticism that it is being misused in non- they should be men of integrity and such Congress run states. guidelines should be laid down as would give them little chance to misuse that * institution.

There is a lot of pomp and show in the [English] Governors House. Ours is a poor country and we can not afford pomp and show in MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Janga any way. The Governor's Houses should Reddy, do not make this kind of statement not be allowed to have greater pomp and That will not go on record. I will ~xpunge it show than the Chief Ministers' Houses. I I cannot allow it. That is something sub- have seen in most of the cases that huge stantial. I cannot allow this kind of expenditure is incurred on maintaining statement. these houses which has made a mockery of our democratic State. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: I am nottelling I welcome the decision of enhancement any substantial thing. of salary of a Governor from Rs. 5500 to As. 11,000 beCause the salary of Governor MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You are not must befitting his status. The salary of a making a general statement. You are say- judge has been raised to As. 11,000, so the ing about a particular person. I cannot salary of a Governor should also be raised allow this. likewise. I support the Bill presented in this respect. [Translation] In the Union Territocy we have the office of It. Governor. He is an administrator SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: \NIlat I mean there and has wide powers. Now a time has to say IS that...... U come that the Lt. Governors should not be given such a wide powers because they [English] do not give due recognition to the advice of MR. OEPUTY SPEAKER: I cannot allow Ministers and Chief Ministers. The Lt. Gov- it. ernor should have powers similar to the powers of the Governor. [Translation 1

I wanted him to avail of this opportunity SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: I am not to say that we have raised the salary of speaking, Sir, You do not listen at all. ~ou Judges, Speakers and the MInisters but we do not know Hindi. I do not know English. have nOt raised the salaries of Members of Partiament. Their salaries should also be [English] raised and more facilities should be given MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Don't say that to than so that they are able to discharge somebody is saying that. .. .( InterruPtions J their functions smoothly.

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[Translation) ing. He has said. There should be some system for holding enquiry against the per- SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: You do not sons making such criticism ... understand Hindi, I do not understand (Interruptions) English. I do not understand Tamil and you do not understand Telugu. Hence, the SHAI RAM PYARE PANIKA (Roberts- difficulty. ganj): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have a pOint of order (Interruptions). I am quoting [English) the rules.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You speak in [English] Telugu, I can understand. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: He is quoting [Translation] the rules.

SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: You may [Translation] please just listen to the translation carefully What I mean to say IS that office of SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: Personal Governor ... "* conduct of Governors cannot be discussed in this House. [English] [English] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: 'Nhat is this? A new thing you are finding Governor is MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Already I have Governor. For that understanding, I can told this. understand your Hindi. (Interruptions) SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: He should be asked not to speak. [Translation] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have told that ** SHRt C. JANGA REDDY. there IS no pomt In ralsmg this

[English) ( Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No, No. I just [Tr ans/ation] cannot allow it. SHAI C. JANGA REDDY: 'Mlat I mean [ Translation) to say is that reports appear in the press about Governors' conduct. There is the SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: W"iat am I Government of Congress Party at th, Cen- saying? tre and there are Governments of opposition parties in some States. Due to this, lEnglish] some controversies arise. So, I want that Governors should be appointed from a MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are mak- panel of names to be submitted by Chief ing a personal criticism of a Governor. Ministers. Do you propose to amend the (Interruptions) constitution accordingly? Presently, Gov- ernors are appointed on behalt of the Cen- ( Translation 1 tral Government on decision of the Cabinet. I suggest that in the States having SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: I am not say- Governments of the Opposition parties, •• Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 313 Governors (Emolu .. Anow. VAISAKHA 15. 1909 (SAKA) & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 314

the appointment of Governors be made been borrowed from abroad. Therefore, it out of the panel of names to be called for does not need to be attached with so much from concerned Chief Ministers. (Interrup- lUXUry or so much space. tions). You know what • • did there. It should not be repeated. (Interruptions). You have seen the consequences also. The Governor addresses the Legislative (Interruptions)·· I am saying that you may Assembly once or twice and a vote of please leave the name of **. The conse- thank is adopted. Where did this vote of quences of the deeds of the former Governo thanks come from? I say there is no need of of Andhra Pradesh are before you and you vote of thanks. He has to address the know the debacle your party faced in elec- Assembly for only an hour on behalf of the tion there. Therefore. I say that if you want Government and his speech is prepared by to topple any Government. a decision to the cabinet. He reads out the policy of the that effect should be taken. not in the Chief Minister like a stereo. He says "'My Government buildings or at the residence Government" Whereas neither the Govern- of the Governor, but in the Assembly. and ment belongs to him nor the opinion is his. if possible, while electing the Chief Minis- He only reads out the decision of the Chief ter, the Governor should also be invited to Minister or programmes chalked out by the House a day earlier and then a decision the cabinet. If the speech goes against the about the Chief Minister be taken. Now-a- Government policy, then he says that the days the office of the President is being Goverrment put words in his mouth. Do debated. Did any leader of the Congress you have any guidelines in this regard? If come forward and say that Shri Rajiv he does not have any power, then what is Gandhi has lost majority? Zail saheb said the need of the Governor? He has to func- that he is satisfied that they have the major- tion at the instance of the Government and ity. If a party gains majority, the President to report the policies of the Government to says, Well, you have got majority and you the Legislative Assembly. If you do not form the Government and accept the post translate your legislation into action, then of the Prime Minister. This will create prob- you must tjl~lj.-e some changes in it You lems. The same is the case with the office must think .::Jt some separate set of rules in of Governor. This power should be done this regal"G :n respect of the States which away with. Otherwise. it will create a major have the Governments of opposition par- problem. Some changes should be made ties. If it is not possible to bring about in the constitution. We are raising the changes in the constitutions, it will be in the salary of the Governor and the Governor interest of the democracy to hold informal has no work to do. He is only a show piece. talks with the Chief Ministers in the matter His movement is made known by sound- of appointment of Governors. The analogy ing siren. At that time, one can feel whether is that you cannot make direct intervention it is a democratic Government or a British in the programmes of the State Govern- Government. The siren is sounded upto ment. You cannot change the programmes the distance of one to two miles that Gover- Without the consent of the Chief Minister. I nor Saheb is coming, give way to him. The shall conclude after citing an example. entire traffic comes to a halt. This indicates that Governor Saheb is coming or Chief [English] Minister ;s coming. I want to say that the Governor should be treated like an ordi- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I call Mr. narily man. The Raj Bhawans have been Sharad Dighe. The time is over. Nothing oonstructed on the land covering 5 acres. will go on record ... (Interruptions)'" Not Guest House have been constructed. allowed. The time is over. It won' go on Some changes must be made in the pre- record. Already you have taken five-six vailing system. The office of Governor has minutes. I cannot allow you. You can give

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[Mr. Deputy Speaker) Governor was merely a constitutional dic- tator and he was an autocrat presiding the example in writing to the Minister and over the provincial despotism but af1er he wall. study it...... (In farrup tions) ** I won't Independence his role is completely differ- allow. Nothing will go on I'8CQrd ...... ent and it is very difficult to agree that the institution is not necessary at all. In the (Interruptions) ** federal set-up of this Constitution when we have got States and Centre some constitu- SHRI SHARAD DIGHE (Bombay North tional head is necessary. I do not imagine a Central): Mr. Deputy Speaker.Sir, I rise to situation where there is no constitutional support this Governors (Emoluments, head at all when the Minist~ itself is Allowances and Privileges) Amendment responsible to the elected Assembly or to Bill moved by the Home Minister. Shri Buta the elected Parliament. Therefore, there Singh Ii. may be several situations where decisions have to be taken regarding the summoning Really speaking it is a simple Bill which of the Assembly, giving oath to the Chief seeks to raise the salary of Governors from Minister and several other constitutional Rs. 5500 p.m. to As. 11000 p.m. The salary duties have to be performed. Apart from of As. 5500 was being paid since Independ- that I would say that the Constitution of ence which is now sought to be raised after India has made it abundantly clear by giv- several years to As. 11000. Therefore, from ing certain special responsibilities to the this point of view I should say that this Governors. For example in hilly areas it is amendment was overdue and. therefore, the special responsibility of the Govemor this has not at all been anyway brought a to look to this. There are many provisions day earlier. now made under Article 371 and several other Sections following thereafter to be Now the discussion has started on this taken care of. For example, the share of simple Bill. This Bill which should haW! royalty between the State Govemments been passed within few minutes the dis- and District Councils has to be decided by cussion has gone on all the possible sub- him. Apart from that the Governor is called jects of this Bill. The opening speaker, Mr. upon to decide the leader of which party Venkata Ratnam raised the fundamental has to be sworn in" as Chief Minister of that issue whether there is any necessity of this State and there are several other provi- institution at all and whether it is serving sions in the Constitution which require the any purpose. He went to the I)xtent of say- institution of Governor. ing that this institution is useless and not necessary at all. Now I may also say at this stage that our Now some of the hone Members have Constitution mainly visualises a strong tried to bring the question of Presidenrs Centre. We may also appreciate that when powers under the guise of this and some the Constitution was framed, the country Members also took the opportunity to ven- was passing through very difficult days. tilating grievances about the salaries of There was partition of the country and sev- UPS also. I submit that this Bill has a very eral things were being done. Therefore. the narrow scope but as the opening speaker leaders of this country decided that there from the Opposition has raised a funda- should be a strong Centre. From this point mental issue whether this institution \s of view, the Constitution was framed. necessary and whether it should be continued or not I would like to express my views on that subject also. So. there is nothing 'tVrong even if in the Before Independence this institution of Constitution it has been provided that Cen- •• Not recorded 317 Governors (Emolu., Allow. VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 318 tre should have some say or some sort of a call the Ministry and said: You must act supervision over the work that is being and stop all this. So, it is not that Governors done in the States themselves. Therefore, have never functioned, it is merely a decor- some of the duties are given to the Gover- ative post or it is merely ~ by the ruling nor. For example. he has got a duty to see party for their interests. That is not so. If we that the States' administration is run go into all these provisions. social respon- according to the constitutional provisions. sibilities of the Governor and several p0w- If it is not run, he can make a report to the ers of the Governor, then it win be found Pres~dent and acting upon that report, that it is absolutely necessary as far as this Presidents rule can be imposed. It is not institution is concerned. always that he serves the purpose of only the ruling party. Many a time, it is in the interest of the country that if the constitu- The role of the Governor was also ably tional provisions are not properly followed described by Alladi Krishnaswami Ayyar. and a constitutional Government is not He said: functioning in the States, then Centre has to intervene through· the President and "Such a person is likely to act as a from the report of the Governor himself. friend and mediator of the Cabinet and help in the smooth Therefore, from this point of view, in working of the Government in the order to maintain the unity and the strong early stages. The central fact to Centre of this country, it is necessary to be remembered is that the Gover- have all these powers. For example, now as nor is to be a constitutional head, far as the ordinances are promulgated, the a sagacious counsellor and advi- Governor has to promulgate the ordi- sor to the Ministry, one who can nance. But under certain circumstances it throw oil over troubled waters. H has also been provided that he can with- hold that assent and he may also consider He has got this responsibility also and the promulgation of the ordinance. many times Governors have performed that responsibility ably, otherwise the inter- Then as far as the Bills are concerned, est of this country also would have come to sometimes it is found that even Bills are troub'e. Sr 'me guidelines have also been passed beyond the powers of the Assem- mentioned by the experts of Constitution bly and in that circumstance also the Gov- how he has to use the powers which are ernor should act and has to act and is discretionary. When he does not act according to the advice of the Ministry. expected to act and with-hold his assent as there are so many things that have been far as that Bill is concerned. Now there are laid down. It is suggested that the Gover- instances where some States have passed nor should exercise the functions of even Bills which were against the interests reserving a Bill for Presidential considera- of the country itself and the Governor had tion if the Bill is patently unconstitutional to stop that. If the institution of Governor and then if it is palpably against the larger was not there. the whole interest of the interests of the country from the pOints of country would have suffered. Therefore, view of its unity and integrity and the from this point of view, I would say that it is necessity of maintaining the federal princi- absolutely necessary to have this ple, and clashes head on With the general institution. policy of the Union, or if it is in direct 0ppo- sition to the directive principles of State There are instances where the State policy or if the Bill passed by the State is of Governments had connived with the local grave national importance. agitationists and the law and order situation had completely deteriorated. People These things are not merely theoretical. were very much afraid. The Governor had For all these years we have seen, and intervened and told the Chief Minister to 319 Governors (Emolu., Allow. MAY 5,1987 & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 320

[Shn Sharad Dighe] uphC)ld these things and perform these functions in the interest of fhe country. instances have taken place, where Gover- These are my submissions. nor had to act.

It is true that for performing these func- SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI (Guwahati) : tions, it is necessary to appoint persons Sir. the scope of the Bill is very limited. So who are able enough to perform all these fa r as the scope of the Bill is concerned, it duties and these functions. Therefore, I is 4ith regard to raising the salary of the take this opportunity of urging upon the Govemor from Rs. 5500 to Rs. 11000 per Government that while appointing Gover- month and I will not grudge for this amount nors, they must consider certain aspects. being given to the Governors. But I feel These are really political appointments. that a time has come, when instead of an You cannot merely find out retired bureau- adhoc increase of the salaries of President, crats or retired army officers and ex-ser- Vice PreSident, Ministers, Speaker, Deputy vicemen and appoint them. It is not merely Speaker, Members of Parliament and oth- a function or a duty of the bureaucrats. It is ers, there should be some principle to a political function. The Governor has to guide the increase or decrease of salaries. see, assess the politics of the State when May be that it should be linked up with he makes his report, he has to und~rstand price index. Instead of every time the the politics of that State. It is not merely Home Minister coming with a Bill to raise administrative. Therefore. I will urge upon the salaries of Members of Parliament, the Government to review their policy and which creates a wrong impact. or the salar- not merely appoint discarded politicians or ies of the Governor, there should be some retired Government servants, or ex- principle that the salaries are increased servicemen but just as you appoint good with a particular increase in the price index politicians as Ministers, you must also and so on and so forth. appoint good politicians, good persons as Governors. It is not wrong if you appoint your own persons, because when the But coming to the broader issue, on other party was in power, they also which a number of members expressed appointed their own men as Governors. their views. one extreme view has been There is nothing wrong. the party in power that the post of the Governor should be must appoint their own people of confi- abolished. Well, I do not think, at this junc- dence, who can keep the relationship ture I will like to enter into a debate on that between the Centre and the State properly because that is a very broad question. But and who can function properly and who the hon. member who preceded me said can see that the whole federal relationship that the Governor should be a friend and a is going on proper lines. mediator; and secondly he said that the duty of the Governor is to see that the If we have got some examples of bad State's administration is run according to Governors who have acted badly, this does the Constitution. A federal set up if it is to not mean that the institution is bad. You succeed, is dependent upon the trust and might have appointed bad persons who confidence between the Centre and the did not understand their duty and they did State. If the Centre feels that the Centre not perform their duties properly. The insti- alone is the repository of constitutional vir- tution is good; it is necessary under the ture and that-there should be an agent of Constitution. it is necessary in the interest the Centre at the State and that the States of our country, but the only thing that the are always to be doubted that the State executive should do is that they should may not be run-though it is elected by the appoint able persons, able politicians. per- people themselves-according to the Con- sons of their own choice, of their own constitution, then I b 31ieve that the very exist- fidence, persons who would be able to ence of our federal set up is jeopardised. 321 Governors (Emolu., Allow. VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) & Priv.) Amdt. 8ill 322

After all, if the State Government can run tional aberration. I say this because, after amuck, if the States can violate the consti- all, as we know, the Governors power has tution, by the same logic what guarantee is been misused in the past. If 8 Governor is there that the Central Governn,ent will to act as a friend and a mediator, he could govern according to Constitution? Is it not act provided he has good relationship with a fact that there have been aberrations of the Council of Ministers and with the constitutional provisions in this country Legislature. You are not supposed to put and the people have voted parties out of somebody to act as an intelligence officer power, because of the aberrations? there, so far as the functioning of the State is concerned.

Now, if a State or the Centre:s governed So far as the appointment of the Gover- not in accordance with the Constitution, nor is concerned, a number of suggestions no individual, no President or no Governor have been made. The Governor is to act can protect this country. The protection basically---except where there are such will be from the people themselves. And functions laid down in the Constitution therefore to feel that if a State is not run according to which he can exercise his according to the Constitution by pn discretion-with t~e aid and on the advice elected Government, the final arbiter is the of the CounCil of Ministers. How can you President or the Governor is not correct expect the Governor to act to the aid and according to my view. The arbiter should advice of the Council of Ministers if he be the people only. Because if we give this does not possess some sort of equation power to the Governor, then on the same with the State Government. Therefore; the analogy this power can be arrogated by minimum that I will urge upon the Home the President of the country, and one can Minister is that in the matters of appoint- argue that the Central Government is nol ment of a Governor, not only the consulta- run in accordance with the Constitution, tion but the concurrence of the State is the President can dismiss the Prime Minis- imperative because if you put a Governor ter on the ground that the Government at on the' head of a Chief Minister or the the Centre is not run according to the Con- Council of Ministers without their concur- stitution. My definite view is that tne Presi- rence, then friction is bound to occur. And dent has no power under the Constitution in a democracy, where the Governor's role to dismiss an elected Government at the ;s a very limited one, if it starts with friction Centre. and with a sense of misunderstanding, then the system cannot function properly. We have seen for example what had hap- After all, there are two safety valves. The pened in Andhra Pradesh. I do not want to first safety valve is this House. So long as say anything about it. We have also seen the Prime Minister or the Council of Minis- what has happened in Jammu and Kash- ters with the Prime Minister at the helm will mir. I have not brought the book entitled have the confidence of the House, he will 'My Dismissal' by Shri Farooq Abdullah. continue to be the Prime Minister. Suppos- He had made strong allegations against ing that the Parliament does not exercise the Governor. Subsequent facts have its power in accordance with the Constitu- shown both in Andhra Pradesh and in tion, the other safety valve is the people Jammu and Kashmir that the decisions of themselves. People will throw out that the Governors to dismiss the Governments Government which they feel is violating were entirefy wrong. the provisions of the Constitution. And I believe that the same principle should apply in the case of States also. These.two The people have voted against them and safety valves, i.e. the safety valve of leg.sla- the other fu ndamental question that' want ture and the safety valve of people, should to raise is that the Governor's is an office only act as guarantee against constitu- which is not accountable unCier the Consti- 323 Governors (Emolu., Allow. MAY 5,1987 & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 324

[Shri Dinesh Goswami) regarding the allegation that some Gover- nor's House was used for..... tution. If the President acts against the Constitution, we can impeach him under (Interruptions) Article 61 of the Constitution. If the Prime Minister does not behave properly, we can SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: I would say bring a No Confidence Motion against some Governor's. him. But against the Governor, there is no provision for impeachment. There is no MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. That can- provision for No Confidence Motion. There not go on record. I have already given a is no provision of accountability against ruling in Mr. Janga Reddy's speech and I the Governor. There is no provision what- cannot give a different ruling here. soevet in the Constitution that the Gover- nor can be made accountable either in the SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: It is about State Legislature or in the Parliament. This the abuse of power ... position, is totally un-acceptable that all other personalities in this country and all MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: But generally other public heads of this country are you can say that. accountable but not the Governor. Even if the Chief Justice or the Judges of the SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: I will say that Supreme Court act wrongly, there may be the abuse of the power of the Governor proceedings against them. But so far as can be discussed. An individual Governor the Governor is concerned, there are no may not be discussed. I will submit that the proceedings. If hjs function or perfor- Governor's powers have been abused in mance is totally against the Constitution this country in favour of the ruling Party at nobody but the Prime Minister can take the centre. some decision against him with the result that the Governor will only keep the Prime MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That he has Minister happy. already told.

We have seen, for example ** SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY (Puri): Sir, I have a point of order. We cannot discuss it. I would therefore suggest and submit that if the Chief Justice MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: \Nhat is your of the Supreme Court can be a subject- point of order? matter of discussion in an exceptional case, if the judges of the Supreme Court SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: can be a subject- matter of the discussion According to Rules 41 and 352, the restric- in an excepti9nal case, if the President and tion is about the Governor and the Presi- the Vice-President can be a subject-matter dent, who are continuing in office. So far of discussion in an exceptional case in a as ex-Governors and ex-Presidents are Parliament and if the Prime Minister and concerned, that can be freely discussed. the Chief Ministers are accountable in the That is my point. You may over-rule it or Parliament and in the Legislatures, why is you may uphold it. not the Governor made accountable? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. He cannot Therefore, I would urge upon the.... discuss a particular person. Simply that cannot be taken up. On a Substantive (Interruptions) Motion, we dan discuss it. But generally ...

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Goswami, (Interruptions)

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SHAI DINESH GOSWAMI: I am saying High Court will interpret, and will interfere generally. I am not particularly referring to if Parliament so acts, or exercIses a power any State. I do not want to enter into any which it does not possess. Therefore, if a controversy on this that a particular Gover- State exercises a power which is violative nor in this country has abused his powers of the Constitution, which either List ~I or and has acted as a hand-maiden of the Ust III does not confer upon the States, centre. There are cases. I will not refer to then the Governor should not arbiter. The any a particular case. Mr Kaushal has been court will ultimately decide whether that the Governor in Bihar. Well, I don't think, power is available to the State or not. But we can have any reason to complain the fact remains that a number of Bills against him. Therefore, it will depend upon which are for the good of the people, a the individuals. I am entirely in agreement number of legislations which are for the with some of the Members-from both benefit of the people, have been withheld; sides of this House-that there should be assent has not been given by the President specific guidelines for the purpose and in for years together. So, even on the ques- matters of the appointment of the Gover- tion of giving assent or not gi"ing it by the nor. It is not that the rejected people President, some guidelines, some discus- should be dumped. It is not that the per- sions are necessary today. sons who have been rejected by the people 13.00 hIS. should be dumped in this State that the , am only concerned that this Bill does Govemor should be a pliable person and not give me scope to discuss in depth, in the Government should act as an intelli- detail the functions and powers of the Gov- gence officer of the Centre, particularly, in ernor, the mode of appointment of the the Opposition run States to help Central Governor, the functions and powers of the Government to over-throw elected President to give assent or not to give Govemment. assent, the functions and the power of the Governor to refer to the President the Bills which should come up to him for assent. Therefore, I submit that a time has come Therefore, , feel that at least a thorough to examine the whole issue in the context discussion on these institutions is neces- of the present controversy which has sary today, particularly in the context of ansen in this country, even regarding the the controversy which has come to light. power of the President and Governors. Even the Prime Minister is on record as This is number one. Secondly, what is their saying that there are institutions which are relat',onship vis-a-vis the elected trying to subvert the Constitution. One Governments-both at the Centre and in cannot Ignore such a statement coming the States? And the Home Minister should from the Prime Minister. It becomes bear in mind that if we make a particular important. principle applicable, that is a Governor has MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: The time is the power to over-throw a popu'ar'~ over. elected Government or that the popular Government can run the State, not in SHAI DINESH GOSWAMI: When the accordance with the Constitution but via - Prime Minister feels threatened, and also lalive of the Constitution, then the same feels that an office may be misused, I analogy or the same argument may be believe the whole thing shpuld be dis- applicable to the Centre also. A reference cussed; and I have said it because it is the has be8n made regarding Bills. A Bill may feeling of all the sections of this House that be passed by the Parliament, which may the entire powers and functions of Gover- infringe the rights of the States. nors should be discussed. I hope some opportunities will be available to us, w~n we will be able to discuss it in depth and In What is the remedy? The remedy is in the court of law. The Supreme Court or the detail. 327 Governors (Emolu., Allow. MAY 5,1987 & Priv.} Amdt. Bill 328

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We adjourn arguing for the sake of- other persons and now for lunch, and will reassemble at 2 defending others, enjoy, hardly any facili- p.m. ties. But who is going to defend our case ?

13.02 hrs. AN HON. MEMBER: There is no scope.

The Lok Sabha adjourned for lunch till MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER There are two Fourteen of the Clock. Ministers sitting here.

SHRI P. "NAMGYAL: On paper the Members of Parliament enjoy many facili- The Lok Sabha re-assembled after ties like facilities for railway travel, tele- Lunch at five minutes past Fourteen of the phone, air journey, concessional rates of Clock house rent, electricity and water supply, etc. And, perhaps in most cases these faci - [M~ DEPUTY SPEAKE:R In the Chalf] lities are being availed of by many hon Members. But in some cases like those GOVERNORS (EMOLUMENTS, ALLO- coming from some areas where there is no WANCES AND PRiVilEGES) AMEND- railway line, or where there are no air servi- MENT BILL~ontd. ces, or no telephone facilities, these facilities are of no use to such Members. SHRI P. NAMGYAL (Ladakh): I rise to Therefore, the Government should con- support the Governors (Emoluments, Allo- sider, in the near future, increasing the wances and Privileges) Amendment Bill, emoluments and other facilities 01 1987 in which it has been sought to Members of Parliament., so that they are in increase the emoluments payable to the a position to fulfil their public commit- Governors from Rs. 5,500 to Rs. 11,000 per ments and obligations effectively and effi- mensem. ciently. There is a need for drastic changes in the rules pertaining to the Salaries and Sir, the Governors' salary has not been Allowances of members of Parliament. As I revised since 1950, although the salaries of had mentioned earlier, Governmen1 the Ministers of the Central Government should consider making changes in the and the Presiding Officers of the two rules and about providing facilities where Houses of Parliament were enhanced in there are no rail or telephone or other 1985. Since 1950 the prices of essential transport facilities and the Governmen1 commodities and other items of cost of should consider such cases on merits for living have increased manifold. In view of providing at least some other facilities in this, the present increase In the emolu- lieu of rail, air, telephone and other facili- ments of the Governors is very much justi- ties which are not available to suct; fied. So, I wholeheartedly support this Bill. Members. Sir, the Hon'ble Home Minister should convey our feelings to the Minister Sir, the irony of fate is that the Members of Parliamentary Affairs so that necessary of Parliament who have to pass the Budget amendment is brought in the near future, of the Central Government and support With these few words, I support the Bill the increa~ in emoluments of almost all moved by the Hon'ble Home Minister cases like the salaries of the Ministers, the Thank you very much. Presiding Officers, Governors and all other Government employees, are never taken SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANT't care of. No one ever realises the financial (Puri): Sir, while we are debating abou1 problems and the difficulties being faced the emoluments otthe Governor, by the b) by Members of Parliament. "the question arises what is the authorit) and what is the function of the Governor ir The Members of Parliament who are relation to the Council of Ministers. Sir, 329 Governors (Emolu., Allow. VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) & Priv.) Amdt. 8i/l 330 would say the matter is settled. In the year he should command a majority in 1974, the Supreme Court had decided it. It the House.. is not a matter to be debated. You know, under Article 141 the decision in regard to He may be the Prime Minister or the Chief the law interpreted by the Supreme Court Minister, but the paramount consideration is the law of the land. Unless this is super- is that he should command a majority in seded, no other interpretation is permIssi- the House. And: ble. And I doubt whether the amendment of the Constitution, in this regard is per- I·Cb) the dismissal of a Govern- missible or not. Because of the limitations ment which has lost its majority in imposed by Keshavananda Bharati case, the House but refuses to Quit the basic structu re of the Constitution can- office .. " not be changed. This is the circumstance when the Gover- Now, ! am quoting the Judgement in the nor or the President can dismiss the Coun- case of Sam~her Singh Vs. State of Punjab. cil of Ministers, Le. when they lost the which will eloquently decide the law abc'_ t majority in the House and are unwilling to the relationship of the Council of Mml&ters quit Office. And: and the President as well as the Council of Ministers and the Governor. "( c) the dissolution of the House where an appeal to the country is In Para 153- Page 2230 necessitous, although in this area the Head of State should avoid "We declare the law of this getting involved in politics and branch of our Constitution to be must be advised by his Prime that the President and the Gover- Minister (Chief Minister) who will nor, custodians of all executive eventually take the responsibility and other powers under various for the step ... it Articies. shall, by virtue of these provisions, exercise their formal In regard to the dissolution of the House constitutional powers only upon also, he mL:st be advised by the Council of and in accordance with the Ministe~ or the Prime Minister. Sir, this advice of their Ministers save in a has been decided and this is the trend of few well-known exceptional the deciSion since 1955. Article 74 was not situations... " amended at that time. It was amended only in the year 19n. This was subsequently VVhat are the exceptional situations? In strengthened by the amendment of the Article 100, when the Election Commis- Article 74 where the word "shall" was sion advises, the President will act on the incorporated. adOise of the Election Commission. So, these are different. So far as the President In 1977 'shall' was included in article 74. and the Governor are concerned, they When Janata Party was in office, it also have no personal business in any other accepted this position. It changed some of sphere. Here, I will quote the observations the provisions of the Constitution through made by Sri Krishna Iyer, one of the distin- 44th Amendment of the Constitution but guished jurists o~ the country: not this one. So this is the national consensus. So the President or the Govemor is "Without being dogmatic or bound by the advice of the Council of exhaustive, these situations Ministers. relate to (a) the choice of Prime Minister (Chief Minister), res- So far as controversy between the Gov- tricted though this choice is by ernor or the President and the Chief Minis- the paramount consideration that ter or the prime Minister is concerned, it is 331 Governors (Emolu., Allow. MAY 5,1987 & Pr;v.) Amdt. Bill 332

(Shri Brajamohan Mohantyl reflected in the Constitution and the Presi- dent happens to be only a constitutional head having no more powers than the Brit- not new. As a matter of fact. in 1979 one ish King or Queen. So. he does not acquire President had gone for a national broad- any extra power from articles 74 and 78. cast. A copy of the speech was sent to the Under article 74 the President is bound by Prime Minister for information. After see- the advice of the Council of Ministers. ing that. the Prime Minister reacted. I am Under article 78 the Prime Minister has the quoting how the Prime Minister of that duty to supply information which the Presi- time reacted. That was on 21.1.79. dent will require. But my submission is that Article 78 is subject to Article 74 because "I think, it has been the conven- the oath of secracy is taken by other Minis- tion for the President to send to ters and not by the President. The Presi- the Prime Minister the draft of dent does not take the oath of secrecy. He speech before it is finalised. I all) is not bound not to disclose any secret wondering whether you now information or any classified infonnation wish to change the convention which is being transmitted to him. which was followed by your (Interruptions) predecessors, even by you last year since it is also in accord with the constitutional position. tt MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Don't drag on the subject. Don't go on to the President. This quotation is from Morarji Papers, You restrict it to Governors subject. page 25. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: That It is not that there have been no differen- related to the President and the Governor. ces between the President and the Prime That decision I have quoted. Minister. Some Presidents wanted to have the freedom to choose their own entour- Now, I will come to another thing. you age to go to foreign countries but not know that in 1950-51 there was a contro- necessarily guided by the Prime Minister. versy and then the Prime Minister also You know also that some Presidents have referred the matter to the Attorney General gone and commented against the Govern- and he had given his opinion and that opi- ment of the day. That is also not accord- nion made the position very clear and the ing to the British convention. My matter was subsequently settled judiCially. submission is that so far as these aberra- That issue is not open now. Nobody can tions in the constitution are concerned, open it. Unless you amend the Constitu- they should be erased. In UK unless it is tion or unless you pass the law, that permitted by the Leader of the House even Supreme Court decision is not vaild. So, the opposition leaders cannot meet the naturally that cannot be opened. Crown. There was an episode during those days when Gladstone was the Prime Minis- Another thing that I will like to point out ter and OisraJi was the leader of the opposi- is that in the year 1977, when nine State tion. From that time a convention Assemblies were dissolved, the then Presi- developed that the leader of the opposition dent did not give his assent immediately cannot meet the Crown unless it is okeyed and delayed it for one day. Then there was by the Leader of the House. a demonstration in front of Rashtrapati Bhavan and the slogan was 'Naatak bandh Since 1950 an argument is going on that Karo' (stop this drama). U\t\mate\~. the since the President is elected. he has some President came round and he sent it for more powers than the British King or reconsideration ",nd then ultimately gave Queen which is an hereditary office. But "'is assent. So, this is the position and this my submission is that it is very much is the tradition. In that back ground my 333 Governors (Emolu., Allow. VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 334

submission ;s that the matter cannot be SHRI rvARA YAN CHOU8£Y: Nothing. I opened and should not be opened. Simply say that he was sent to see that CommUnists never come to power. Even So. that is the spirit of the Constitution then t,le Communist Party came Into and you know that the spirit of the Consti- power In 1957 tution is reflected in the convention. SHRI BIPIN PAL DAS What was wrong SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Mldna- In that? Why do you Impute motIVes? pore) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir. I am neither a jurist nor a lawyer; I speak from SHRI NARA VAN CHOU BEY Because my commonsense. there was a motive, I put It. It was at that time RaJaJI stated "Communism IS my MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That is more enemy No 1" He said that important, Sir, That will be more effective SHRI BIPIN PAL DAS Yes, he said so. SHAI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: To my What IS wrong In that? mind, the post of Governor is mostly a decorative post and less substantive. If It IS SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY Now, the substantive, it is mainly substantive for the Government never says that Communism Central Government to deal with the State IS ItS enemy No 1 Do they dare speak so? Governments. For the State Government Sir, In 1957, the first Communist MInistry ruled dy whatever party, it IS, In the main, was sworn In Kerala and how thiS Govern- decorative. He goes to some functions, ment was brought down is known to every- gives a good speech, adVises the young body. Acutally we did not lose our men, advises everybody, but when a cnsls majority on the floor of the Assembly Even comes, from the very begmnmg he then It was brought down through the behaves really In a manner which is not agency of the Governor In 1967 as well as liked by the people of the State but is liked In 1969. the same thing was done In West by the Central Government. As Sh n Bengal From 1971 to 1977, dunng that Sharad Dighe has said, he puts 011 over penod, what was the role of the Governors troubled waters. I have seen many times In West BfYlgal? As Mr Sharad Dhlge has that he puts petrol when the flames are said, the Governor's duty IS to put 011 over burning. the troubled water About hundred boys were being killed In the streets of Calcutta Sir, you are from Madras. From the very and an other parts of West Bengal The beginning you are from Madras. In 1952 Governor was a Silent spectator. Since the etections, Madras comprised of Tamil Chief MInister at that time belonged to the Nadu, Andhra and a portion of Kerala. The same party, that IS, the ruling party at the Communist Party was a very strong party Centre, hiS adVice was meticulously fol- in that state and was at the pOint of coming lowed by the Governor SIr, you know what to power. The Central Government at that has happened In Andhra Pradesh and you time sent a famous man, a great man, a know what has happened In Jammu & glorious man, Shri Rajagopalachari, to act Kashmir. So, naturally the examples that I as the Governor of that state so that the have stated are the realities, not what IS Communists could not come to power. being stated by the lawyers and the jurists. That is on record. The first Communist What IS the use of keeping these decora- government aected was \n Kerma and they t,ve posts? got the maiOri~ only by two members ... (Interruptions ). "Kintvaya Kriyate Dhwanna, ya Na Soo\a Na Dughdwa." SHRI BIPIN PAL DAS (Tezpur): What was wrong in Rajagopalachari becoming PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE the GOvernor? (Rajapur): 'Nhy don't you translate it? 335 Governors (Emolu., Allow. MAY 5,1987 & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 336

SHRt NARA VAN CHOUBEV: t think he being raised from As. 51 500 to Rs. 11,000. knows it definitely. Now, Sir, you are Ttlere is nothing special in it. The entire increasing their pay from Rs. 5500 to Rs. House should unanimously adopt the 11000. I have nothing to say anything on measure. The incidence of dearness allo- this. You do that. But really the post should wance of all' cat~gories has been not be there. Even if you are compelled to increased. This measure was over due. keep the post. you may do so but you may Salaries of Judges of the Supreme Court come to a consensus by consulting the and High Courts have been increased. Chief Minister 01 the State concerned. Salaries of other civil servants have also .... 0 body should be appointed as Governor been increased. There is not a single cate- against the will of the State Chief Minister. gory whose salary has not beer. increased. There should be a panel of names. The The way prices have risen, it is but justified Centre and the State should select the that the salaries also increase. Some of our names and keep the flames in the panel. colleagues have by implication brought in Out of that panel, Governor should be the debate on the controversy over the selected. Nothing should be done against Prime Mlnister-President relations. Sir, the will of the State, as has been done you have already given your ruling that thl~ recently in Andhra Pradesh. Sir. in Andhra issue cannot be discussed here. One of our Pradesh the T ~gu Desam party was in colleagues has pl~aded for abolition of the majority on the floor of the Assembly. They institution of Governor. Sir, the framers of even came to Delhi all the way from Hyde- our constitution framed it with great imagi- rabad to prove their majority. Their trains nation. They had visual ised that demo- were delayed planfully and they were cratic India will have State Governments harassed. But even then the Governor was and ,State Assemb'~es and in order to not satisfIed. These are the examples of the supervise tne;r work and to report to the reality of life, What is being stated by our Central Government on thel( working, lawyers and the jurists and the legal lumi- there shall be some institution. So, In the naries in this matter does not conform to present state of affairs, the institution of the real ity of today. Hence I demand and I Governor is imperative. Nobody can deny request the Government to think why not this. And a debate as to what mistakes were abolish the post of Governor once for all. If committed by a Governor has no meaning. YO\J can't do that, why does a system not If any Governor committed mistake, he be evolved so that the Governors are was punished and history is witness, pub- appointed in consultation with the State lic opinion went against him, the Govern- Governments. ment went against him and the high-ups did not spare him. But this does not mean [Translation) tliat this office should be abolished. The enti~e House will unanimously agree that SHAI AAJ KUMAR RAI (Ghosi): Mr. the people are supreme in a democracy Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am very grateful to and they are the measurement of any view you for giving me an opportunity to speak point, any sentiment and the people's on the Governors (Emoluments, Allowan- representative represents pU.blic senti- ces and Privileges) Amend ment Bill. ments. Therefore, I WOUld, through you like to exhort all newspapers and people Sir, everybody in this country and every not to indulge in wild rumours that the hon: Member of this House support the President is about to dismiss the Prime view that if you want to get work from a Minister. These types of rumours are harm- person, if you want to keep him away from ful. There is no legal or constitutional pro-

worldly allorements1 if you want to make vision in this respect. It is only to waste the him capable and competent, he must get time of the newspapers and killing the time that much of emoluments and facilities as of newspaper readers without any reason. would enable him to discharge his duties It has no propriety. I would like to submit honestly. The salary of the Governor is one more thing. As I have said earlier, there 337 Governors (Emolu., Allow. VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 338

should be some facilities for carrying out the hone Members have expressed their the work properly. I take up the case of views 'on the Sill which IS before thiS Members of Parliament. I do not say that august House today I am very grateful to their emoluments be increased. But so far them. as facilities are concerned, these should It is a very simple proposition that the be increased. There should be no ceiling of salary of the Governors, who are rendenng telephone fac~ties and facilities of water very valuable service in our States, be and electricity. Can we not provide them Increased. In fact. it is not a salary. It isonly electricity, fans or the facility of making giving something in lieu of the services calls over telephone to establish links with rendered by them. All hone Members have our nwn people? The facilities available to expressed their views on the Bill. Only the Members of Parliament must be three han. Members have spoken on thiS enhanced. Similarly, the facilities available subject. The rest have present their own to our colleagues in the State Assemblies political views.The object of this Bill is to and Councils are also negligible. They enhance the allowances of Governors. But cannot undertake a journey comfortably some han. Members dId not touch upon because they do not have any facility of the subject and raised big side issues. Shn vehicle. The hone Minister of Home Affairs Choubey also delivered a fulJ pOlitical IS a man of the masses, he hails from the speech. It appeared as if the treatment grass-root. We have in this country 5-tier being extended to the poor Governor is Government system-Parliament, State like making efforts to cut the feathers of a Assemblies, Zilla Parishads, Blocks and bird while it is coming to a pond to dnnk Gram Panchayats-to strengthen our water. democratic set up. I would like to submit to the hone Minister of Home Affairs that in It is true that we should see that the insti- order to run the democracy properly in this tution of Governor in our country is utilised country, and keeping in view their work. properly and that the important role att- their time, some emoluments and facilities ached to it under the constitution is played must be provided to all the heads of these efficiently. During the last 37 years, fortu- five tiers agencies-Block Premukhs in the nately. several great men of this country blocks, Members in the Zilla Parishads and have graced this offIce. They have served Chairmen of the Zilla Parishads, Members the country well and we have evolved a of State Assemblies and Councils, and very good system under their statesman- Members of Parliament so as to enable ship. We can say proudly that the office of them to serve the people more efficiently. the Governor has played an extremely Some emoluments and facilities should be good role under our constitution. made available to them. If you do not give them any salary and other facilities. you force them to indulge in dishonesty. cor- I would not like to single out any State ruption and many sorts of such things. because it would not be consistent. I can They must not live in wants and fall prey to also counter the argument of Shri Chou- people's ill-will. They should not be bey by citing an example. But I would defi- allowed to be purchased by unscrupulous nitely like to say that some of our learned elements. Therefore, it is necessary to give colleagues and legal experts like Shri them some facility to be able to discharge Dinesh Goswami have made references in their duties efficiently and honestly. This their discussion to some states and named will encourage hone~t y in the country and a some Governors which does not con- the democracy will proceed further in the form to the rules of this House. But even right direction. then' would say that the issues are under the consideration of the Sarkaria Commis- Sir, with these words I conclude. sion and all States, organisations and polit- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S ical parties have the opportunity to present SUTA SINGH). Mr Deputy Speaker. SIr, theit own view points before the Com mis- 339 Governors (Emolu., Allow. MAY 5,1987 & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 340

[5. Buta Singh] charges. otherwise all these things will appear in the press and the concerned sion. The Central Government and all Governors will also not be able to reply. State Governments have submitted their Therefore, I must refute. It is also against views before the Commission. All the polit- the rules. Therefore, If you think it proper, ical parties, whether in this House or out- you should go through the proceedings s~det have the opportunity to submit their and expunge the names. view points before the Commission. In the centre-State relations the office of the Gov- [Eng/ish] ernor has a very Important role to play and under the provisions of the Constitution, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have already the Central Government and State instructed that those things would not go Government have to serve the people of on record. the country with mutual cooperation. All these issues are before the Commission [ Translation] and it is considering them very seriously. Fortunately, the Commission is composed SHAI SYEO MASUDAL HOSSAIN (Mur- of experts and learned persons of the shidabad): Y-ou are replying to a thing country. Eminent retired persons working which is not on record. people, great leaders of all political parties, lawyers, people engaged in social services SHAI RAJ KUMAR' RAI: But it will have appeared before theCommission. All appear in the press and nobody will be able the issues raised here should be placed to refute it. before the Commission It would be an injustice with the Sarkaria Commission if S. BUTA SINGH: It is my duty to reply to today t we express such views in the House the points raised by some hon. Members. as in any way can influence the conclu- (Interruptions) sions of the Commission. Let this subject be open till Sarkaria Commission submits I would like to say that while looking at its report to the House. It would be injus- the role played by the Governors in the tice to the Commission if we express our history of last 37 years of independence, views in a manner which can influence our Government, our Congress Party have their thinking and efficiency. never treated non-congress ruled States differently. This has never been our atti- The allegations levelled by some of the tUde. Shri Goswami very angrily said that hon. Members even by naming some of the we are not treating the present t>tate States and Governors are unfortunate. I Government well and our attitude has categorically refute all these allegations. It been unsympathetic. was not the occasion to do so and if you want to highlight them. then there are SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI (Guwahati): I rules under which any hon. Member can did not say it in anger. bring a substantive motion which can be discussed in the House and some decision S. BUTA SINGH: Assam has been espe- taken. cially mentioned in the discussion. I would like to remind him that the present Govern- [English] ment of Assam is getting full cooperation from the Central Government. Differences MR. OEPUTY SPEAKER: That would of opinion can be there which is possible not go on record. even among the real brothers. If there are any differences over the service of the peo- [Translation] ple, that should not be considered as enmity. We may have our own way to pro- S. BUTA SINGH: I must refute those vide better service to the people and you 341 Governors (Emolu., Allow. VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) & Priv.) Amdt. 8ill 342 may have your way but it does not mean S. BUTA SINGH: Shri Choubey should that either we are wrong or you are wrong, not worry. The ideology, the manifesto of we both can be right. There can be some his party and that of the Congress Party adjustment. We can find out some com- have equally been reflected in the pream- mon way by exchange of views. ble of our Constitution. It has been written very clearly that all the institutions, be it the [English] Parliament, office of the President, office of the Governor or any other office, are SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: I want to meant for serving the country. I would like make it clear that I have not made any to read the objective of all these institu- comments regarding the state of affairs. tions under our Constitution.

S. BUTA SI NGH : While speaking on the "We the people of India having institution of the Governor, you said that it solemnly resolved to constitute has turned into political affair and then India into a Sovereign Socialist today also you said that the present Secular Democratic Republic Government is not treated well. and to secure to all its citizens; justice, social, economic and political, liberty of thought, expres- SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: I have not sion, belief, faith and worship; said so. equality of status and' of opportunity:' S. BUTA SINGH: That is why I want to go on record that we do not have that thing It is our objective, whether we are a politi- in mind. cal party, whether we are sitting in Lok Sabha or in Rajya Sabha or in State Assem- ( Interruptions) bly or we are holding the office of Gover- nor; our objective is the same. If this S. BUTA SINGH: I am only assuring objective is being fulfilled and people are you ..... being served, then all these institutions are useful and if we are not fulfilling it, then ( Interruptions) who-so-ever may be in power that would not be useful for the people and would be SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: I want to an impediment to the development of the make it clear to you that I have not made people of the country. We will have to any comments regarding the present state remove this impediment. Only with this of affairs, the present situation. objective the Constitutional set up can be protected. This is the reason that all the [Translation] Governors we have had so far had this aim before them. The institution of Governor S. BUTA SINGH: We have to take aU has been discussed and it has been admit- States whether it be Karnataka, Tamil- ted that in real sense, the Governors are nadu, Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal, Ker- our friends, guides. Many big leaders of ala, Tripura, Assam, Punjab or Mizoram our country say that Centre is a mith. They which have non-congress Governments $flY that it has no territorial jurisdiction. It along with us and they are all integral part appears to me that they are ignorant like of our country. After all, the existence of frogs of a well who think that the well is the Centre depends on the cooperation of all entire world and there is nothing outside the States. We can serve the country uni- the well. These frogs must know that there tedlyand not separately (Interruptions) is a vast world outside the well also. India is a great country and Government of India is SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Some an elected Government which cannot be a times, you spoil things. mith. It is a reality and it is elected by the 343 Governors (Emolu., Allow. MAY 5,1987 & Priv.) Amdt. Bill 344

[Shri Buta Singh] Andhra Pradesh as a result of which the institution of Governor became controver- people to serve them. We have cordial rela- sial. In this incident, Shri Ratnam who was tions with the States. In Planning Commis- Speaker of the Assembly had to lose his sion, National Development Councilor in post. Such incidents can take place any other national forum we keep only one because ours is still a developing demo- thing in mind that we have to serve the cracy and we will gain experience from people of entire country, whether it is the such incidents. Our people, particularly eastern region, western, northern or south- rural people are so intelligent and capable ern region. Our Constitution has been that they take right deciSion which sur- framed to serve all the countrymen and the prises even the educated and the elite class institutions of President, Governor, Prime of people. Actually the poor people, the Minister, Chief Minister or the Parliament villagers know very well as to what is good have been established with this aim in for the country, and that is why they take view. right decision and we all have to bow our heads before their decision. The people of Many hon. Members have given their this country are great. They have seen how suggestions and the question of salary of the democracy has strengthened its roots the Members of Parliament 'was also in our country during last 37 years of inde- raised. Shrimati Sheilaji listened to their pendence. The people have also witnessed views very carefully and has said that she a political incident in which 100 years old has noted thei r suggestions. We shall Congress Party was voted out of power for endeavour to translate your suggestions at a short period and other people of different the next available opportunity. ideologies were brought in power. Now the opposition is blaming that we do not allow I once again would like to appeal to the smooth functioni"g of State Governments, leaders of opposition parties that it is not a but in fact is, when they came to power question of anyone particular individual they dismissed one dozen State Govern- but it is the question of an institution. Whe- ments. They might have thought that the never we discuss any institution we may policies they were going to adopt would have different views on it but if we lose our not be implemented if the State Govern- faith in this institution, the people will lose ment were allowed to continue. This was faith in the Constitution and that will, in ·their view point but our party always con- turn weaken our democratic strength. siders the decision of the people supreme. People have faith on our federal system. We respect the decision of the people Therefore, whenever we discuss these because they always take right decision institutions, we must not be guided by our and we respect their verdict. Our leader political views, especially personal views. Late Shrimati Indira Gandhi respected the You may not like the face of a particular verdict of the people and with their verdict individual but we have not to see his face she again came to this House. People but the service he has done to countrymen. elected her to this House but those who today claim to be the champion of democracy did not allow her to sit in the House. A question was also raised that State But the people again brought Shrimati Governments are not consulted at the time lndira Gandhi and her party to power and ot appointment of new Governors. There is the latter served the country. In this regard, not even a Single instance when there was I would say only this. It is an institutk>n and disagreement between the Central the House is discussing the allowances Government and the State Government on and maintenance of Governors. It is neces- this point. All the appointments made, of sary under the Constitution. That is why we which I know, have been successful and have to come before the House for this the incumbants have done good work. purpose. I do not agree with the sugges- Unfortunately, one incident took place in tion of Shn Goswami that the allowances 345 Governors (Emolu., Allow. VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) J. P. M. (Camp. Use 346 & Priv.) Amdt. Bill in Pack. Comm.) Bill of the Governors should be linked with Title were added to the Bi/l. prace index. After all. these are big institutions. They have their own status and peo- S. BUTA SINGH: I beg to move: ple have faith in them. So If we want the people to continue to have that faith, we "That the Bill be passed." will have to act according to our Constitu- tion. Our Constitution provides that the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question salaries and other facilities given to the is. President, Vice-President, Governor, Speaker, Deputy Speaker and Members of "That the Bill be passed." the Parliament will be decided by the House. Therefore, salary of the Governor The motIon was adopted. cannot be linked With price index and can- 14.57 hIS. not be increased with the increase of price index. Hence, I cannot agree With the sug- JUTE PACKAGING MATERIALS (COM- gestion of han. Member. I think whatever is PULSORY USE IN PACKING COM- provided in the Constitution by our great MODITIES) BILL leaders has been done after careful consideration and it will be in the interest of all [EnglIsh] of us to follow them. Then only will we be able to preserve and enhance the dignity of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE our country and strengthen our democracy. MINISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): I beg to move: * With these words, I would appeal to the all han. Members to pass this Bill "That the Bill to prov,de for the unammously. compulsory use of Jute packag- [English] ,ng material in the supply and dis- M R. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question tribution of certain commodities 's: in the Interests of production of raw Jute and jute packaging mate- "That the Bill to amend the Gover- "Ial, and of persons engaged in nors (Emoluments, Allowances the production thereof, and for and Privileges) Act, 1982, be matters connected therewith, as taken Into consideration." passed by Aajya Sabha, be taken Into consideration." The motion was adopted. Sir, the House is aware that Jute industry IS one of the most important traditional MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now we take ,ndustries for·the economic well-being of up clause by clause consideration of the the Eastern parts of our country. The raw Bill. Jute farming sector supports four million agricultural families in the States of West The question IS: Bengal, Assam, Bihar, Orissa, Tripura, Meghalaya, U.P., and Andhra Pradesh. "That Clause 2 stand part of the The Industrial sector prOVides livelihood to Bill." around 2.Slakh workers. The industry also earns around As. 300 crores in foreign The motIon was adopted. exchange every year. Hence from the Industry, trade, employment and socio- Clause 2 was added to the Bill. economic angles jute sector has got to be protected and looked after in our scheme Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the of things. • Moved With the recommendatIon of the President. 347 J. P. M. (Comp. Use MAY 5,1987 in Pack. Comm.) Bill 348

[Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha1 At this stage I would only like to state that the decision to provide protection to Government have recognised the socio- jute industry in the torm of this legislation economic significance of this industry and has been taken after an appreciation of the that is why the Prime Minister after hIS VIsit situation prevailing in the jute sector on the to Calcutta in September, 1986 had one hand and the needs and requirements announced a package of measures for revi- of the end users of the economy on the talising this industry. We have set up a other. Jute Modernisation Fund of Rs. 150 crores and the scheme is being implemented by the All India Financial Institutions with While we seek to provide the much effect from the 1st November, 1986. A needed help to the jute industry, we are not number of machinery items which are not in favour of providing 100% usage of jute indigenously available have also been per- packaging material. It is precisely for this mitted to be imported on duty free basis to reason we have made this an enabling legis- give a thrust to the modernisation lation providing for sufficient scope and programme. power to the Central Government to decide from time to time the percentage A special Development Fund of Rs. 100 levels of goods and commodities to be crores has been set up for implementing a prescribed for packmg in jute material. number of schemes covering raw jute agri- There is an all important provision in this cultural sector, strengthening the infra- legislation for the setting up of a Standing structure of Jute Corporation of India and Advisory Committee. The guidelines to be its State level Cooperative Procurement followed by this Committee constitute suf- Agencies, product diversification and R&D ficient safeguards to ensure that not only activities and schemes for the benefit of the jute interests are protected but the industrial workers. other packaging sectors are also given their legitimate role to play in the economy In close conjunction with the implemen- of the country. tation of these schemes Government have also considered it necessary to provide With these words, I would now com- long term protection to jute industry and mend this Bill for consideration by the the present legislative measure has been Hon'ble Members of this House. undertaken to fulfil that purpose. This support for jute industry has been worked out 15.02 hIS. after a lot of deliberation and after going into various aspects of the problem. [SHAI SHAAAD DIGHE in the Chair1

It should be mentioned in this connec- MR. CHAIRMAN: Motion moved. tion that out of a total production of 13.5 lakh metric tonnes of jute goods more than "That the Bill to provide for the 80% constitute production of jute packag- compulsory use of jute packag· ing materials in various forms. Today the ing material in the supply and dis fact is that this large segment of the indus- tribution of certain commodities try is faced with near extinction because of in the interests of production of adverse competition from the synthetic raw jute and jute packaging mate- sector. Government cannot afford to rial, and of persons engaged in ignore this development which would have the production thereof, and for far reaching consequences on the socio- matters connected therewith as economic well-being of millions of people passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken involved in this sector. into cons.deration." 349 J. P. M. (Comp. Use VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) in Pack. Comm.) Bill 350

[Translation] New methods have been found out to manufacture carpets and matties etc. from *SHRI P. APPALANAt;tASIMHAM (Ana- jute. Already such new methods are being kappali): Mr. Chairman, Sir, jute is being adopted in Andhra Pradesh. The items like grown in many States in the country. But it matties. and carpets have a very good is unfortunate to note that the jute industry market, both domestic and foreign. By has not received adequate attention either encouraging the diversification. we cannot by the Central or State Govts. The jute only safeguard the interests of jute grow- growers in the country are in a helpless ers but also increase our exports. Hence, situation on account of this continued neg- the Government should take steps in this ligence. Not only the jute growers. every regard. The jute growers will get remuner- one who is connected with jute industry is ative prices. The mill owners would get in a helpless situation. Earlier. jute goods more profits and even the common people like gunny bags which are manufactured would also benefit by getting more pr~ out of jute, were being exported to foreign ducts of domestic use at cheaper rates. countries. Jute industry and jute goods Hence, time should not be wasted any enjoyed a prominent position in our eco- further in diversifying the products make nomy. Gunny bags were being used exten- out of jute. Needl~ to add. we will get sively as a packing material for cement. valuable foreign exchange as well. sugar and various other products. Gunny bags were a must for stoting and packing Sir, the use of gURny bags as packing agricultural and industrial products. But material should be encouraged. The today, polythene and plastic bags have gunny bags are far better than poIythene replaced gunny bags as packing material. material. The quality of the material will be As a result, the demand for jute growers fully protected if it is packed in a gunny are incurring huge loss for want of market bag. It will not be affected by weather. The for their produce. The jute growers in West gunnies are cheapest and best packing Bengal and Andhra Pradesh are in a pitia- material. Eartier, in addition to meeting our ble condition today. Even the factories domestic requirements, we used to export which manufacture gunny bags are on the gunny bags to foreign countries. Now, the verge of closure. In fact. many of them export of this item has come to naught due have already pulled down their shutters. to the n69ligence of the GoYl. The situation There is no market for gunny bags. There today is that the exports of jute goods have is no market both internal or external for stopped. Domestic consumption has the jute produds. The whole of jute indus- come down. The factories have been try is on the brink of collapse. The produc- closed down affecting the mill owners as tion of jute in the country was around 72 to well as workers. Jute growers are incurring 78 m. tonnes. Because of the uncertain loss year after year. situation prevailing in the jute industry. the production has fallen steeply in the recent The Govt. must try to avert the fast dete- days. Hence the Govemment must atonce riorating situation. It should provide initiate measures to not only keep the pr~ enough encouragement to the grower. duction level but also increase it by ade- Factories should be asked not to lower quately protecting and encouraging the their production. Govt. machInery should jute growers. Immediate attention should be geared to revive the dwindling jute be paid to the problems of jute growers. industry. The GoYl. must also help In find- inA markets for the jute goods. If all these Sir. diversification of products of jute is steps are taken, I have no doubt that once the need of the hour. In addition to tradi- again jute industry will enjoy Its pre- tional items like gunnies efforts should be eminent position in our economy. Encou- made to produce matties and carpets etc. raging exports of jute items is of vital

• The speech was originally delivered in Telugu. 351 J. P. M. (Comp. Use MAY 5,1987 in Pack. Comm.) Bill 352

[Shri P. Appalanarasimham] Government had to bring forward some kind of legislation so that the workers in rmportance. More and more foreign the jute industry, the economy of the coun- markets have to be found out for our jute try and the export of the jute materia' are goods. I hope and trust that the Govt. not adversely affected. As the Bill has would take steps in this regard soon. I also been brought forward for this purpose, I hope that this Bill will receive support from welcome it. all sections of this august House. In States like West Bengal and Assam Thanking you for inviting me to initiate several jute mills have been closed discussion on the Bill, I conclude my due to wide use of synthetics in packing. speech. Lakhs of workers have been retrenched and the export has fallen .. After all, it is the SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL (Kota): Mr. duty of the Government to check this Chairman, Sir, I rise to support the Jute trend. It is a good thing that this important Packaging Materials (Compulsory use in step has been taken in the interest of the Packing Commodities) Bill, 1987. In my workers and industry and in the interest of view, this Bill is a right step towar~s the the economy of the country. This will help development of Jute Industry and has stepping up the production of jute and been brought forward keeping in view the enhancing the national income. Now those long term fiscal needs of Jute Industry. At districts will not be neglected by the present, the use of synthetic materials in Government where jute is grown in large place of jute materials in the packaging is quantity. These steps will improve the pro- increasing. This has led the Government to duction of jute. But one thing that is to be bring forward this Bill so as to check the kept in mind is that the items which used use of synthetic materials in the packaging to be manufactured with jute materials ear- where jute materials was used. Therefore, I lier should continue to be manufactured support it. This Bill will benefit the jute with jute materials in future as well. industry a lot. The Central Government has acquired wide powers under this Bill. The Bill provides for initial stringent pun- Now the Central Government will decide ishment to those companies which violate about matters relating to jute packaging.lt the provisions of Act. This is a welcome is a right step. This Bill provides for the step. You should see that those companies constitution of a permanent advisory com- do not resort to wrong practices in future. mittee which wih decide and guide about Only then will you be able to implement traditional use of jute material as also this Act vigorously and stringently. In my about is diversification. This will protect the view, the Government have taken a right interest of jute industry. This will ensure step to sustain the jute industry and has better role not only for jute sector but also safeguarded the interests of the workers. for other sectors of packaging in the eco- Manufacture of traditional items with jute nomy of the country. should continue in future also. Only then will we be able to help the jute industry. The use of synthetic material in place of jute materi~1 in packaging is increasing The need of the hour is that some day by day and this is adversely affecting Research and Development programme the jute industry. The jute industry will not should be launched in the jute industry. If be able to stand competition with synthetic you want to revolutionise and save this materials because packaging with synthetic industry you must introduce research and materials is considered better and it is light development in this sector. I think research in weight and also costs less. It is for this in textile or other departments is not so reason that the customer shows prefer- necessary as it is ira this sector. ence to synthetic packing materials. To check this adverse effect on jute sector. the Besides, a bag made of synthetic is 353 J. P. M. (Comp. Use VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) In Pack. Camm.) Bill 354 cheaper, durable and light. YOU must shed for some time. But again due to some develop a jute packing bag cheaper and reasons like non-payment of remunerative more durable than the synthetic bag and prices, non-payment of wages to the easily acceptable in the market. You workers proportionate to rising prices, not should see if cloth of good quality can be taking up research work and non- made with jute. I would like to reauest the modernisation of jute industry, the jute hone Minister to speed up the research and industry has again run into difficulty. development programme and see that the Therefore, the hone Minister should have Jute industry is able to fall competition in presented the bill in the light of thes6 the market against the synthetic without points suggesting such measures the the help of the Govemment and the implementation of which would save industrialists. industry from these difficulties and again flourish. But with regard to other difficul- It is a good thing to have penal provi- ties it has merely been mentioned that vari- sions against false statements. But a doubt ous measures have been taken from time arises in regard to the power of granting to time. This Bill has been presented to exemption. I am afraid, it can be misused enable the jute industry to withstand the because whenever we want to favour or . cut-throat competition in the market. But save someone we can save one by using on going through the bill it appears that this clause. I am fully confident that this this Bill will not be able to fulfil these objec- department and this industry will progress tives. This bill provides for Standing Advi- under the guidance of the han. Minister. sory Committees but it does not mention Whatever departments have been allotted who wilt be the member of the Committee to the hone Minister he discharged his and what will be their qualifications and responsibility very well and I hope that in whether it will include the representatives future also we will do the same. I conclude of farmers and workers. Therefore, I would my speech with the request that care like that a provision be made in it to include should be taken to see that this clause is the representatives of farmers and workers is not misused. However, I welcome this in the Committee. The reason is that with- Bill. The bill was greatly needed to save the out their cooperation the jute industry can- jute industry from extinction. not make progress.

At present, the jute industry faces stiff SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH (Cha- competition from the synthetic. Instead of pra). Sir, the Government has itself admit- jute bags, synthetic bags are used in pack- ted the fact that the base of the rural aging various items. For example, the pack- economcy of north-eastern India is jute aging of fertilisers is done in the synthetic industry. As may as 40 lakh agricultural bags whereas earlier such packagings families and 2.50 lakh workers are used to be done in the jute bags. You have engaged in this industry. But it is surpriSing not spectfied anywhere in the bill that such that the industry has remained in crisis in and such items will be packaged in the jute spite of this conception of the Government bals. This you should have specifically and" even after we achieved independence. melltioned il:) the bill to make it obligatory The first crisis it faced was when the parti- for the ,..IIIe. The bill provides for a fine of tion of the country took place. The area Rs. 5,0001- for violation of the provisions of where jute was cultivated primarily went to the Act. In my view this is a meagre East Pakistan now Bangladesh. To save amount. The big industrialists invariably the jute industry from the crisis, the then will violate these provisions because the Prime Minister 'ate Pandit Jawaharlal cement or sugar factory is not run by an Nehru made an appeal to the jute growing ordinary persons but by big capitalists for farmers in the country. The farmers whom a sum of Rs. 5,000/- is nothing responded to the appeal and worked hard Therefore, I would like that the amoot of to start jute cultivation. The industry flouri- fine should be enhanced. 355 J. P. M. (Comp. Use MAY 5.1987 in Pack. Camm.) Bill 356

[Shri Ram Bahadur Singh] has been no modernisation of RVSM which was nationalised in 1980, which has In the end. I would like to request that 3.000 permanent workers and 1400 tem- measures which I have suggested should ~rary workers. I have come to know that be taken to save the jute industry from the you propose to bring about mini moderni- difficulty it is facing. Whatever rules or Act sation of RVSM. It means that only the you frame. you must see whether the present looms which are functioning wilt farmers and workers are benefited from it be modernised. As a result. there will .be or not. If you do not see to it. the Act will retrenchment of workers. I would like that remain on paper only and will never be put if you want to modernise RVSM then the on practice. I have my own experience in entire RVSM should be modernised. there this regard. Jute is cultivated on large scale as many as 500 looms are lying closed and In Saharsa, Madhepura. Katihar, Purnea these should be revitalised. If the mill is and north Bhagalpur in North Bihar. fully modernised, the services of the tem- There, due to climatic compulsions. the ~rary workers will invariably be regula- farmers cannot grow other cash crops. The rised and more workers will have to be N.J.C. which you have constituted. pro- recruited. cures jute from the farmers at minimal rates. The N.J.C. goes to the market to buy jute from the farmers only when the farmers Similarly, the R&D aspect also needs have resorted to distress sale. The N.J.C. attention. Ropes, bags, 'tat' and durries, does not purchase jute from the farmer etc., are made from jute. If you want to unless the Block Development Officer develop this industry, you will have to gives certificate to the farmer to the effect make provision for research. Although a that he is a genuine farmer. When the provision for research is there but it is not farmer wants to sell his whole jute, the in the requisite scale. You will have to carry H.J.C. says that they have no money. In out research as to whether any new items this way various alibies are made with the can be manufactured with jute. Can cloth result that the farmers has to resort to dis- and carpet be made of jute? If the research tress sale. Same is true of the modernisa- sheds light on some new thing, it will defi- tion of jute industry. The Government nitely stear this industry out of the crisis it provides money in the name of modernisa- is facing in the market in the face of tough tion but does not make arrangements to competition. monitor as to whether that money is spent on modernisation or the recipients of that money spend it on setting up a new indus- In Kishanganj area of the Purnea district, try. I am afraid. if you do not keep track of about which I have made a mention, the the amount which you provide, the recip- farmers cultivate jute. It is their compulsion Ients of that amount will invariably misuse and they cannot grow other cash crops. it. They will set up new units. This is about The Government has been giving assu- the private sector. But if this happens in rance to the farmers during the last ten public sector how can we complain years that a mill will be established in their against the private sector? The Govern- area to make use of their jute. Ten years ment has constituted a National Jute Manu- have elapsed. Peopl~ still entertain hopes facturing Corporation. It has 6 mills. 5 mills that the Government will fulfil its commit- in Calcutta and 1 in Bihar Le. RVSM. The ment. Therefore, I would like to urge that Government had released Rs. 18 crore for keeping in view the interest of farmers of modernising these six mills two years back the area. their compulsion of growing jute but the Corporation officials meted out and Government's assurance to them. a step motherly treatment to the RVSM and jute mill must be set up there. did not give it a single pie. The entire sum of As. 28 crore has been spent on those five Lastly. I would like to submit that the mills situated in calcutta. As a result. there objects of this bill are not likely to be totally 357 J. P. M. (Camp. Use VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) in Pack. Comm.) Bill 358 fulfilled. However. you have made an sioning the closed jute mills. A sum of As. effort, 8 mini-effort. With these words I 28 crores was provided for this purpose conclude. but unfortunately, Bihar has not got its share. We do not know where that money SHRI MANOJ PANDEY (Bettiah): Mr. has gone. The most important thing is that Chairman. Sir, I SUpoQrt the Jute packa- you have to r&-establish the farmers who ging materials (Compulsory use in Packing are engaged in jute production and on Commodities) Bill 1987 which has been whom the Jute Industry depends. We presented in the House. expect a lot from you in this regard.

Shri Ram Bahadur Singh has discussed the problems of jute industry in detail. I Hon. Prime Minister visited Bihar last associate myself with the sentiments year. He had himself made a reference to expressed by him. Sir, 8S you know, jute is this issue. In West Bengal also he assured grown on a large scale in West Bengal, the growers in the course of his speeches. Bihar and some part of Orissa. About 40 This aroused considerable awareness lakh of our farmer brethern in Bihar solely among the farmers and as a result the jute depend on jute cultivation for their liveli- industry has taken a positive move in a hood. They have been engaged in the jute positive direction. We all welcome it. At the industry for the last 100 years and their same time we want that special attention economic condition has deteriorated dur- be paid to farmers who are connected with ing the last 15-20 years. I visited the jute Jute Industry. producing areas of Bihar and tried to col- lect detailed information from the farmers. I would like to draw your special atten- I was told that the jute growers are trying tion towards the J.C.I. I myself visited the gradually to give up this profession. It is a J.C.I. Centres in Purnea district and stu- big irony. We have seen the discontent died them I stayed there for two days. among the farmers due to closure of jute There ~ a place named Kasaila adjacent to based industries during last 10-15 years Purnea. I visited two such centres there and their economic condition has deterio- and found a number of irregularities. The rated. The inputs required for the cultiva- farmers were waiting for as much as eight tion of jute do not allow the jute growers to days with carts loaded with jute but there produce any other cash crop. I have stu- was no critical form the J.C.I. to accept the died the jute crop pattern. especially in tra- jute load when we talked to the officials ditional areas like Saharsa, Purnia, Katihar, they said that they could accept only the Madhepura and Bhagalpur and some parts quantity they have been asked to pur- of Champaran. The farmer finds himself chase. We had no answer to this. We helpless under this traditional crop patt- enquired from them as to what quota of ern. Therefore, through you. I would like to jute they could purchase. They told us that submit to the hon. Minister to pay special they could purchase only the quality that attention towards the jute growing farmers has been prescribed but that specified of these areas. I have observed some dis- quality is not available there. I would like to crepancies in regard to setting up jute say that a farmer does not see quality. It is a industry. The jute mills have been lying traditional farming and it is done in a par- closed since long in Bihar and the Govern- ticular way. The crop takes two month's ment of Bihar has taken up the matter with time to be ready. Thereafter, it requires two Central Government time and again. The more months to cure the jute in water. The farmers have been given assurance that farmer then takes it out and dries it up. It new industries will be set up there and the gives such a bad smell that we cannot old mills will be revitalised. It is my submis- stand it. After so much hard labour that he sion to the hon. Minister that he must fulfil loads it on his cart and takes it to centres of that assurance. You have undertaken a the J.C.I. He has to wait there for weeks. If modernisation programme for recommis- this will be his condition, it is natural that 359 J. P. M. (Comp. use MAY 5,1987 in Pack. Comm.) Sill 360

[Shri Manoj Pandey) and call a meeting of file Chief Ministers of these three States. Thereafter you may let he will find himself alienated from people us know as to what quantity of jute will be like you and me. pruchased by the J.C.t in these States and what quantity will have to be pruchased bv I am not prepared to admit that the J.C.I. us. It we can determine the quantity. we has in any way done justice to the farmers. can go to farmers and tell them not to pro- It has done great injustice and we our- duce more than that quantity so that they selves are witnesses. You must ensure that may produce other profitable crops. farmer's interest in protected and you have said this thing time and again in this august Mr. Chairman, the objectives of this Bill House. The Agriculture Minister of Bihar are very good. I express my thanks to the had come here and he had several rounds han. Minister and the hone Prime Minister of talks with the Union Agriculture Minis- for bringing this Bill. The Bill provides for ter. A proposal has also received from the the formation of State Advisory Commit- Govemment of Bihar that you should con- tees. But it does not say anything about vene a meeting of the Chief Ministers of their composition. We must be told about Bihar, West Bengal and Orissa. You must this. It concerns farmers, labourers and ask them how much quantity of jute they mill owners in the Private and Public Sec- can purchase and what quantity of jute you tors. Therefore. all these three should be will purchase. You must make it clear represented in these committees so that whether J.C.I. will purchase jute direct this industry may forge ahead. from the farmer or through State Govern- ments. We will produce only that much jute. If we produce more than the quanity The Bill also provides for stringent you lay down, we will give excess quantity action against the people violating the pro- to the Governments of Bihar, West Bengal visions of this Bill. It is a welcome step. and Orissa. But J.C.I. must be directed to About packaging materials, we find that purchase quota allotted to it. most of the people are using synthetic material these days. Perhaps it costs less. I would like to request you to chalk out a The cost of synthetic material is a little programme in consultation with Govern- more as against the minimum support ments of West Bengal, Bihar and Orissa. I price fixed for jute. Jute involves higher also want to point out that the J.C.I. has proceSSing cost or labour cost. But in purchased jute from middlemen also. order to save this industry. we will have to There are various grades of jute having hear this. different prices based on quality. You have fixed a minimum support price. But mid- I welcome the prOVISion for seeking dleman purchases jute from farmers at a information and acquisition of powers to very cheap rate and stocks in his godowns seize the materials. But at the same time. I and the J.C.I. makes purchases from mid- expect that the officers. who are responsi- dlemen and complete its quota. Sir, it is ble for implementation will exercise the such a short-circuit that several officers~ authority in right cases and respect the local politicians are involved in this racket. spirit of this Bill. I have seen small farmers This aspect must be taken care of. I say this who bring their produce for sale come in repeatedly because without farmers coop- the purview of seizure. Even the small eration you cannot run jute industry. If the retailers come within the purview of this producer of jut is not looked after pro- seizure. The misuse of the spirit of this perly, if a proper assessment of his conai- proviSion and wrong seizures lead to dis- tion is not made in an right perspective, contentment among these people. This you may set up any number of industries, has to be taken care of. I support this bill they will be of no use. It is my submission and express my thanks to you for giving me that you may consider this thing seriously time to speak. 361 J. P. M. (Comp. Use VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) in Pack. Comm.) Bill 362

[English] lured the less will be the demand of the raw jute which is required for the manufacture SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat). of jute 'ackings. Therefore, the farmers will This Bill has a limited scope. To that extent be affected and there will be further pres- I support this Bill. Since it is a long overdue sure on them to self their raw jute at lower measure I do not know how far it is gOing prices. The workers will be affected, at to be effective because of the delay which least that part of the working force in the has taken place. jute mills which is employed on the manufacture of sackings~ither sacking cloth The Government of India is keeping or sack sewing. Therefore, we have been quiet about one aspect of this question. pleading from that point of view. But I have And that is, who is responsible for haVing no doubt in my mind that the jute mill created this particular crisis i.e. the danger owners, IJMA, have also been pressurising which the industry is facing from synthetic the Government for its own business rea- bags? Who has, for the last three or four sons because they do not want to lose this years, been encouraging the import ot part of their market to these new manufac- these PVC granules and encouraginq a turers of synthetic bags. I have no illusion number of small manufacturers to set up in my mind that it is becal,;3e of our plead- uhits to manufacture these HOPE bags. It ings or our representations which have is not suddenly something has dropped eventually led to the bringing of this Bill. from the sky. For the last three or four This is the outcome of the pressure of the years the representations are being made IJMA. I know that very well. However, repeatedly to the Government to ban or at sometimes, even from peculia' quarters least rigorously control this import and use the end result may be indirectly or partly of these synthetic materials, because ulti- what we are also wanting though I do not ma&ely it would lead to the extinction of a knpw what is going to happen to the syn-' considerable part of the jute industry. I am thetic industry which has been alJowed to not against modern technolgoy if this is grow in the last three or four years being encouraged in the name of modern That is not my responsibility. That Mr. technology, provided it is suitable to our Mirdha has got to decide. Now he is talking conditions and ci rcumstances of our coun- about taking a balanced view. We cannot try. I am not enamoured of technologies allow a monopoly of jute, in the manufac- which are being employed in USA or ture of sacking or packaging materials. We Japan or somewhere else because we do must have an equitable sort of ratio not live in USA or Japan but we live in a between jute and the synthetic thing. He country called India which has got certain has to say all this now because they have specific features. And one of the features is allowed the synthetiC industry to grow. It is that already we have a huge volume of they who have allowed some 500 units unemployment which .. is rising everyday. I approximately to come into existence and do not approve of a technology which will most of them are small-scale units, but lead to further reduction of jobs unless you altogether they are also employing about can show that the introduction of this par- one lakh of workers now. I would like to ticular technology is something which is know from him how much capital has been going to benefit the country very much by given to them, invested by the financial greater productivity or lower cost of some- institutions in this industry. Could these thing. This is a case of importing certain things have been done unless the G0vern- types of granules which are used in order ment of India was backing the whole to manufacture these synthetic bags. Now, move? Of course, Government of India is

we are not the only ones who have been very shrewd in these matterst I knowt pleading with the Government. We have because the main purchaser nowadays of been pleading from the point of view more these jute bags is the Government itself. of the farmers and the workers because the The Directorate General of Supplies and more these synthetic bags are manufac- Disposals is the biggest single purchaser 363 J. P. M. (Comp. Use MAY 5,1987 in Pack. Comm.) Bill 364

[Shri Indrajit Gupta) cloth, hessian cloth, jute bags or any other packaging materials. So, this first item in of jute bags from the industry. Previously this jute should be explained. I am very there used to be export and aM that, but much interested to know what is meant by now there is no export. There is hardly any jute. Jute is the basic raw material from export of jute bags worth talking about which all these things are made. If there nowadays. The entire consumption is in has been a slight drafting mistake here, I the home market and out of that home am sure. Mr. Mirdha will be honest enough market, the lion's share is that which is to see that is corrected because it does not purchased by the DGS&D on behalf of the mean anything. It is meaningless. What is Government and the various Ministries the meaning of jute? Anyway_ So, what I and Departments. So, it may be that there was saying was that it is the Government was a motive behind this, that is to say, to itself which is responsible for having allow this synthetic industry to develop so created this crisis in the first place. They that it will create some conditions of com- could easily have prevented the growth of petition, forcing thereby the jute mills this synthetic industry. But I cannot believe owners to either reduce their prices of that they allowed it to develop without hav- bags or to improve their quality or some- ing any motives of their own behind it. And thing. Now, after three or four years have I would like to know whether during the passed, this Bill has been brought which last three years, the selling prices of these only aims, as far as I can make out, at sacking, sacking bags, jute bags, what is giving the Government certain powers of called B-Twills and other varieties of sack- acting through an advisory committee to Ing have stabilised or come down. At what fix some kind of a ratio between the two prices the OG S&O buy these large amount industries - the original jute industry and of sacks from the mills? There was a time the new synthetic industry - as to what when the Government had fixed the selling proportion of essential commodities are to prices and said that they would only buy be packaged by whom. Of courses, I have them provided the prices were not putting my doubts about the way this Bill will be up beyond certain ceilings. Of course, the implemented because all these things IJMA, the jute owners were very much about monitoring, inspection, giving against such a ceiling. What is the pOSition exemptions, threatening penalties and all now? Is it a fact that these synthetic bags that do not generally work very efficiently are selling cheaper than jute bags? I do not in our system. We know that. Also I see know. I would like this information be here that in section 2 sub-clause (c), under given to this House. I would also like to the definition of 'jute packaging material', know whether it is a fact that these syn- almost every item is included, except. of thetic bags are actually not necessarily course, carpet backing because carpet more durab!e than the bags made out of backing is not used for packaging. Every- jute or are they more durable? To what thing else is included-jute, jute yam, jute extent the commodities like sugar, ferti- twine, jute sacking cloth, hessian cloth, liser or cement-what percentage of these jute bags or any other packaging mate- commodites-are at present being packed rials. I do not know what is meant by jute. in these HTP bags, synthetic bags? It is \Nhat is jute? If you exclude all the other understood that only 20 to 25% of these items and are left with jute, does it mean commodities are at present being pack- raw jute? Raw jute is not used for packag- aged in these synthetic bags and 800/0 or ing. Raw jute is the stuff the farmers grow more is still being packaged in jute bags in the fields. So, I do not know what is and therefore their claim is that there is no meant by jute because everything else is need for such a legislation at all because specified-jute yar. jute twine and all that. according to them the jute industry is not Many of the mills in Andhra manufacture facing any threat ~t all from their synthet- only jute yam and twine. They do not ics. We do not think so. We think that syn- manufacture any cloth at all-jute sacking thetic bags are making inroads into the 365 J. P. M. (Comp. Use VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) in Pack. Camm.) Bill 36&

market and I know from our point of view thiS AdviSOry Committee will be absolutely because we are in the trade unions. we lop-sided and it will have a very prejudiced can't know all the inside situation of this kind of point of view. Unless the jute grow- trade. But I know that workers who are Ing farme~ and the jute mills workers' employed in making sacking and sewing representatives are included in this Com- sacking bags, all gradually being mittee, because the items on which the retrenched and dismissed from the mills Advisory Committee is to give its recom- and those mills are closed down because mendations are listed here, in Section 4, the mill managements say that they have which speaks specifically of the protection no market left for their bags because of the of interests of persons engaged in the jute entry of these synthetic items. So, what is industry and in the production of raw jute, the position, I do not know. Only for ·this that means, the workers and the farmers. reason, that here is an industry which is So, if the protection of their interests is also working for so many years and Mr. Mirdha a very relevant matter of concern for this said so many people's livelihood depends AdviSOry Committee, then those people on It In five or six States. About 45 lakh who are best acquainted with the condi- families depend on it as far as farmers are tions of the farmers and workers should be concerned and about 2-1/2 lakh workers represented on this AdviSOry Committee depend on it for their livelihood. It is earn- also, and without that this Advisory Com- ing Rs. 300 crores as foreign exchange mittee will be a farce as far as I can make every year. Earlier it used to earn more. So, out. there is no reason why suddenly one should try to upset the whole balance of Then there are other things, I don't want things by bringing synthetic fibres. syn- to go into the fines and all that. The fine thetiC materials for these bags. Anyway, which is stipulated here for penalty of the damage has been done and now the somebody who, in contravention of this Government will be faced with a dual prob- Bill or this Act, packs any commodity lem because though I hold no brief for the or class of commodities in any rr3teri~ synthetic manufacturing people. But they other than jute. he will be punishable by a will now start shouting that their industries fine, whose amount will be equal to doubte will be closed down and one lakh of people the cost 0·- the jute package material which are employed there, some of them will be should have been used. 'Double the cost of cnucked out and they will lose their jobs. the jute package materials which should Mr. Mirdha is wanting to strike out a bal- have been used' - I think this is hardly a ance that there is even-handed justice so deterrent penalty of any sort high, and this handed out. What is the compoSition of the should definitely be stiffened if you really AdviSOry Committee about which we do want this legislation to have any teeth in it. not get much iodication here? Other Member, of course, have spoken about it. It I also want to add a word or two in the says that the AdviSOry Committee must end. consist of persons having necessary expertise to give advice in this matter. So. I have no doubt '_:'at on this Advisory Com- SHRI AMAL DATTA: Ten times. mittee there will be representatives of both the industries, obviously the jute industry SHAI tNDRAJIT GUPTA: Ten times it and the mill owners will be represented. can be, but you see, whatewr it is they The synthetic industry managements will have given the power of exemption also be represented. The Ministries of the and , should like to add my voice, although Government of India who are connected it may not strictly come within the frame- with this whote business will be repre- work of this particular Bill, to what so many sented. But what about the farmers and other Members have said about the mat- other workers? Other Members here have funcitioning of the Jute Corporation of also pleaded and I am also pleading that India. Sir. nothing has been done all these 367 J. P. M. (Comp. Use MAY 5,1987 Discussion re: Indo- 368 in Pack. Comm.) Bill U. S. Re/ation$ [Shri Indrajit Gupta] being fleeced by the middlemen, by the agents of the mill owners and all that, has years to protect the interests of the jute totally failed in its job. Shall I continue growers and therefore, the acreage under tomorrow? I will take two or three minutes jute cultivation also, instead of increasing, more. I can finish now also. is going down because the minimum prices, economic prices, which the farmer MR. CHAIRMAN: The choice is yours. should get have never been given to him except in one or two years when it was not due to government's fixation of any price, SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: If you want me but due to certain speculative factors in the to continue tomorrow, I do not mind. market which led to higher prices being available in the market out of all proportion MR. CHAIRMAN: Now, this discussion to the so-called minimum support price, will be continued tomorrow. You can con- but generally over the years one 'will find tinue tomorrow. that this so-called minimum support price fixed by the Agricultural Prices Commis- sion has not ratio or relation whatsoever to the actual increased cost of production of the farmer himself. This is done only to keep the prices low and in order to benefit 16.00 hrs. the jute mill owners and every time the jute crop is ready, it is the Jute mill owners who DISCUSSION RE: INOD-U.S. RELATIONS hold off from the market and create an impression that they are not interested in [English] buying so that the prices tumble furthe, down and since there is no way of holding MR. CHAIRMAN: Next item IS, Discus- on to the jute - our farmers are small pe0- sion under Rule 193. Shri Saifuddin ple, they are not big farmers with big hold- Chowdhary. ings and all that, with big resources, they are never able to hold on to their raw jute SHRI SAIFUODIN CHOWDHARY stocks - they have to sell them imme- (Katwa): Sir, what immediately prompted diately. Otherwise they have nothing to eat me to raise this discussion on Indo-US the next day. This is their condition. Some relations is the U.S. Government decision of them have even entered into private con- to supply AWACS planes to Pakistan tracts with the middlemen before the crop against the security interests of our coun- is ripened, in advance, that they will sell at try and of the region. such and such prices as soon as the jute is ready. The cooperative movement in the Now, Sir, I have a book with me entitled, eastern part of the country is hopelessly "National Security and Strategy of the Uni- weak, I am sorry to say it, but it is a fact. ted States". It was prepared at the end of There is no cooperative SOCiety to protect 1986 by the White House. It says that for the interests of the jute farmers. In ~uch a the first time, the United States has estab- condition this minimum support price has lished substantially improved relations been of no help whatsoever to the farmers with both India and Pakistan. Now, this and the JCI has been asked to buy, to step picture given by their own Government into the market and buy only if the market document is quite contradictory to what is price goes below the minimum support the situation prevailing today. I do not price. As the minimum support price is know how they made this evaluation. hopelessly inadequate, the JCI, I am whether it was on the basis of evaluation of afraid, which was supposed to act as a a particular person or of the whole coun- decisive factor in maintaining the prices of try's population, its feelings. The Govern- raw jute and protecting the farmers from ment has to clarify on that. 369 Discussion ra: Indo- VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) U.S. Relations 370

16.01 hrs. that Mr. Robert H. Pelletrean, U.S. Junior Assistant Deputy Secretary of Defence for Near and South Asian Affairs said while [SHRI SOMNATH RATH in the chair] giving testimony to the Congress Commit- tee: that US sees no threat from Soviet You all know that over the years, U.S. Union to Pakistan. This is very important has been pouring sophisticated arms like and striking. F-16, Harpoon Missiles, tanks etc. to Pakis- tan and we have expressed our concern about this time and again. But this decision to supply AWACS to Pakistan surpasses As I have mentioned it has been point- all the combined effects of the weapons edly directed against India and again it has that they have supplied to Pakistan so far. regional dimension and global dimension. The AWACS introduces a dangerous new We know Saud, Arbia is also having element in this situation. Coupled with this, AWACS and some Gulf countries are also we have the report of Pakistan's capability trying to get AWACS and if we take the of producing an atom bomb or they have formation of CENTCOM Eiasing Pakistan got an atom bomb. That has been stated by in 1983 and the placement of 31akh of army the President of Pakistan, Zia-ul-Haq and for this purpose, which is really directed to also the nuclear scientist, Mr. Abdul Qadir achieve the domination of Asia, and it is Khan. Now, they are doing this with the only in that process, the US policy is to active Indulgence by U.S.A. Recently we subvert the poliCIes of our country, that is, have heard the U.S.A. have waived the policy of peace and non-alignment. Symington Amendment to enable Pakis- They never minced words to tell it several tan to get supply from U.S.A. military aid or times. We have the reference of the history otherwise and their acquiring atom bomb of US arms supply to Pakistan and its sub- would not stand In the way of getting that sequent fall out. Selig S Harrison (Senior aid. Associate, Caruegic Endowment of Inter- national Peace) while giving testiRlony to a Now, these two developments have the sub-committee of US House's Foreign most dangerous potential of hatting upthe Affairs Committee said: cold war that IS already existing in the region. We all know it and we have "The ill-advised programme of expressed over and over again that supply American military aid to Pakistan of AWACS is pOintedly aimed at India. Any from 1954 to 1965 produced dis- plea that it is to be directed against Afghan- astrous results. It was American istan is untenable. Given the operational military hardware that embol- character of the plane, it is not at all suita- dened Pakistan to initiate tragic ble for use over the rlegged mountaineous chain of events resulting in the terrain in Pakistan-Afghan bordar. But it Indo-pak conflict of 1965." has the unique ability to monitorr and direct air power against India without its This policy tQ p~essurise India, USA took being vulnerable to opposite attack. This is up very seriously when in the Asian Rela- precisely for this reason, as a part of its tions Conference at Delhi on March 23 to policy of global domination, that AWACS April 2. 1947 with some countries of Indian is brought and not any defensive purpose, Ocean region, Shri Jawaharlal Nehru said: as suggested by Pakistan that it fears attack from Afghanistan. This has been "For too long have we of Asia refuted by the President of Pakistan, Mr. been petitioners in Western Zia-ul-Haq himself and by the American Courts and Chancelleries. That leaders also. We also know that there is the story must now belong to the Soviet withdrawal of its troops from Afgha- past. We propose to stand on our nistan which is in force. And It IS for all this legs and cooperate with all others 371 Discuaion re: Indo- MAY 5,1987 U.s. Relations 372

[Shri Saifuddin Chowdhary] initial doubts when India took a firm position against US Bombing of Korea and who are prepared to cooperate demanded peaceful settlement US Senate with us. We do not intend to be Foreign Affairs Committee, postponed dis- plaything of others." cussion of Aid to India. They postponed discussion of Aid to India. There are seve- It is this new awakening not only in India ral instances and I believe some reference but all over Asia that really alarmed USA to that will be helpful to refresh our and they understood that their policy of memory. During 1953, Pakistan's going to domination is going to be opposed by get U.S. Military Aid came in the Agenda. India and those countries who are trying to In December 9, 1953, Pandit Jawaharlal stand on their feet and conspiring against Nehru wrote a letter to the Pakistani Prime this particular policy. Minister saying: "it will thwart negotiations on Kastvnir". Later, in Parliament, he said: Every one know when on October 22, "when military aid comes in, the whole 1947, Pakistan invaded India they had the country becomes a military base". He said. tacit support of not only Britain but there referring to India; "if India takes U.S. mili- was US involvement also. One of the Com- tary aid, then it will have to merge with the manders of invading army was Russel K. American Bloc". Now, what is happening Haight of the OSS, the fore-runner of CIA. with Pakistan is precisely this; what Nehru Since then Kashmir has remained a favour- forecast before. ite issue with USA to disturb India. What all USA proposed about Kashmir? About the U.S. Base in Pakistan, that is now a known knowledge to everybody. (aJ establishment of international When the decision to give them AWACS Administration in Kashmir; came, the OppOSition Leaders in Pakistan said - about AWACS with U.S. Army-men (b) a plebicite under supervision of a U.S. Personnel who will operate it-"'the UN Administrator. whole country is going to be a base of USA and in a very big way, they are going to be. (c) setting up of independent Kash- They also said AWACS with the U.S. per- mir with US Guarantee. sonnel that they are going to get as lease, is in actual meaning Pakistan's sky to U.S.A. Anyway, in this background, when Mr. That is what they felt and they said. In 1954, Jawaharlal Nehru visited USA in October, when U.S. decided to give military aid to 1949 to seek US investment in India, what Pakistan, Mr. Eisenhower wrote"a letter to the US leaders told him, what they wanted Jawaharlal Nehru saying: "1t India wants from India and that is precisely clear. They U.S. military aid, then we are ready to give wanted that kashmir be given to them for it". They are ready to give us and consider the purpose of establishing military base sympathetically. Now, we can see their there and then only they will think of giving designs. They wanted to have their busi- us aid and speaking at Columbia Univer- ness going by using one against the other. sity in the presence of Eisenhower, who That is what they tried to do. Now it is good was President of the University at that time, for us that we had got that kind of states- Mr. Nehru said: man in the hel'" of affairs, Pandit Jawahar- Ial Nehru who rejected it and in Parliament "The very process of marshalling he indignantly said and referred to the the world into two hostile camps Assistant Secretary of State Mr. Robertson precipitates the conflict it is who said: "U.S. must dominate Asia for sought to avoid." indefinite period". Condemning this, Pan- dit Jawahartal Nehru demanded the remo- If we try to have a cursory look of the val of U.S. personnel from the U.N. Forces history, we _, during the Korean War, in Kashmir. 373 Discussion fa: Indo- VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) u.s. Relations 374

Non-reminiscent pf today's Congress ing out our steel projects. At that time we (I), the then Congress, after its Session in know what Mr. Dulles said; he said: Kalyani, West Bengal, issued a circular to all PeCs. suggesting to organise mass meetings and it said like: "The United "Non-alignment is immoral and short- States has offered military aid to Pakistan sighted." We cannot forget that. This mil- despite protests raised by India and other itary alliance named SEA TO discussed countries. Practically. the cold-war has Kashmir between 6th and 8th March in come to our doors". When cold-war was Karachi. Then we can also refer to what being converted to hot water, to what it happened, what role the USA took when was called "at our doors". what the cwe we had a crisis or where evaluation of one's Resolution of 18 April 1987. has said? Why friendship could be done. During the Goa has it not mentioned the name of the liberations, they opposed us in the UNO U.S.A.? Do you require to go to West Ben- and they wanted us to take back our army. gal to get an idea about it? I have no objec- Every time we are seeing that their real tion. You can very well go. But then one motive is to get India toe their line. There is thing I would like to mention is that they no genuine friendship at all; nothing. are the enemres-I mean the Government of USA and not the people. There are many During the unfortunate conflict with good people there. There is no doubt China. The United States tried to exploit about it. We must try to cultivate them. But the situation. For the first time, military then, what is the reason for the failure in supply to India began, but again they did mentioning them? Are they not identifia- not come with any genuine intention. We ble? You have to tell that fact precisely to were fighting a communist country. The us. USA should have been very happy because their aim is to contain commu- Here. mention should be made of our nism. But again they did not come with efforts to settle that Indo-China question, anything that was without any strings..... at that time, Before the Geneva Confer- They tried to exploit that situation to ence was convened in July. 1954 in expand their influence in this country. How Colombo five countries-India. Ceylon. their perception differed from ours. we all Burma. Indonesia and Thailand-met and know. They put their main personnel to urget ceasefire. China's recognition. and monitor what aid they gave us. And how the French witndrawal. The U.S. did not much of it was effective and all that. I do like it. When this message went to the par- not know; whether it was a real military. ticipants of the Geneva Conference, they aid. I do not know. But they tried to use our were influenced by U.S. But then, what air-fields. Some kind of an air umbrella happened? Then, what Eisenhower had they umbrella they wanted to put up. Then been doing? When the Geneva Agreement some kind of information mainpulation was being signed. all that he did was what they wanted to do oy setting up a VOA, he proposed the collective security in Centre in Calcutta. All that, we know. South East Asia and invited all the partici- pating countries in the Colombo Confer- After the Indo-Pakistan war in 1965. the ence to come to an alliance like the military United States supposedly stopped supply pact and again it as Pandit Jawaharlal of arms to both. But here again we see their Nehru and then the Government of India double standards. They allowed Iran to that rejected it. Some countries. including supply straight fighters, sabers, to PakIS- Pakistan. Philippines and Thailand joined tan. Later on, they themselves resumed to form the SEA TO. 'Mlat was the reaction supply to Pakistan. of U.S.A. of our refusal to partiCipate in that, to become a part of that alliance? The We all know, and we cannot forget, what International Bank of Reconstruction and they did in 1971 during Bangladesh libera- Development stopped helping India carry- tion. They sent their Seventh Fleet. Who 375 Discussion re: Indo- MAY 5,1987 U.S. Relations 376

1971 they proposed certain things. Later [Shri Saifuddin Chowdhary] they set up a Commission; they proposed then came to stand by our side? The an International Conference. Soviet Un ion, we all know. I do not have to advocate for them. That is our time-tested But it is not being held due to US aid. relationship. Colombo was decided as the Venue, but they are also backing out. I do not have to Then we all know the situation in Punjab say, I believe Mr. Natwar Singh will say in and the U.S. role in it, how they are encou- the House. Even before UNO took this kind raging the terrorists, how they are giving of stand, I believe in 1964 USSR proposed them shelter in their country. We all know that Indian Ocean should be made a 'De- about the Hardgriev's Report and all that nuclearised Zone'. Then we have to tell the on the assassination of Shrimati Indira total picture to our people. I am not an Gandhi. advocate of anybody, But the point is we are advocates of our own country. And We know how in Sri Lanka they have what is the interest of our country we have entered, how Mossad, the Israeli intelli- to keep it in mind. Now, what we should gence, is operating there, and how they are do? Much we understand, much can be responsible to keep alive the ethnic con- said on what we have to do. Minimum we flict there, how they are thwarting all can do is to take a firm stand not that all efforts to bring about a settlement there. time diplomatic and fluid. Take a firm We all know this. stand. Now we have sought their aid. I do not know, Sir. 50 million dollars to 35 mil- Also in our own country, about certain lion dollars, that IS, they have cut as pun- things like Brahmaputra Project, I am not ishment measure. You tell them going to refer now. But the question comes (Interruptions) We told them we don't of the Indian Ocean, the Diego Garcia require your aid. What is that? As a punish- question. In the Indian Ocean which is very ment action they have said. Mr. Natwar much related to our security concern, what Singh you sit here. Don't go to New York. has been the role of the USA? We know You call their Ambassador here. (Interrup- how they have created their base in Diego tions) Anywhere you can go from here Garcia and what are the feelings of the except to New York, to Washington. Why littoral States. What are we trying to do do you go there, I do not know? Can't you there? In this context, I can quote Capt. call them to your office? (Interruptions). Alfred Mahan, the U.S. naval thinker: he You went there to buy hard time to India, it said about the Indian Ocean: seems to me.

"Whoever controls the Indian THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ocean dominates Asia. The MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Ocean is the key to the seven (SHAI K. NATWAA SINGH): Bush and Seas. In the Twenty-first Century, Weinberger were here. the destiny of the world will be

decided on its waters. II SHAI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHAAY: That is another danger. Now, it seems that that is coming true. Who is responsible for that? Whether the Now you must know that Brazil refused destiny of the world will be decided or not, I to take US aid when it was given with some do not know, but the destiny of the USA condition. We should go to them not at any will be decided, it seems to me. This por- humiliating condition, with begging bowl, tion, 6,500 kms long and 6,000 kms broad, "give aid, aid." AIDS are coming in our around which one-third of the humanity country. (Interruptions) lives- we are trying to have it as a Zone of Peace. The UNO acted in that regard. In I said about the Congress Party. 377 Discussion fe: Indo- VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) U.S. Relations 378

SHAI INDAAJIT GUPTA: Don't think which was led today by Mr. Weinberger's about other AIDS. deputy, the Assistant Secretary for I nterna- tional Security Affairs was briefed about SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHAAY: I India's security concern and its research have a new meaning of AIDS for the Con- and developemnt plans by the Chief of the gress (I). 'Acute Intelligence Dificiency Army Staff, Gen. Sundarji and the Scien- Syndrome of the Congress Party. Now tific Adviser to the Defence Minister. What again, you went there. Mr. Tiwari is about was the brtef you know! You want to get to go there. What for is he going? To crack super computers and they are getting his head on the stones of the White House. super knowledge from India. What for he is gOln9, we do not know. And (Interruptions) now you have announced this just the other day. Michael Armacos-I believe you Then you are gOing to get engine for have a copy of his speech-he said that no LCA and that too by destroYI ng our own country has a right to veto the US policy initiative for seven years and certain other regarding Pakistan. What for we are sectors. This IS a very senSitive area. Are going? we to be dependant on them for.certain things very Important for us? Are they reli- Then about super computers. Well, you able? I am not gomg to plead to you from want XMP-24, I believe. Aree they going to where you should get super-computers. If give you? For how long super computers you require you search all over the world are going and superb things are happen- and get it but there should not be any con- ing in this country. Will they give us? You dition to sign this and sign that. are going to purchase it or not. If they say we don't give, you say 'thanks'. If they say Now a word about ald. In 1983 the Cari- give you, you say 'thanks'. What is this lob- trucci CommiSSion said the U.S. assist- bying and bargaining, I do not know? It is ance programmes made an indispensable very humiliating for the people of this contribution to achieVing foreign policy country. objectiVes. That IS also not Without strings. We know what dependance on the U.S. Now the penchant of modernisation and means on any matter. We have the expe- 21st century and all that science and tech- rience of Latin American countries and nology has influenced our minds, I believe. many other countries. How they ruined This is good. We should be self-reliant on themselves when they depended on U.S. that. But, do you know what their leading aid and on that food programme and other. thinkers have said. How do they view It thwarts the independence of that particu- supply of science and technology to the lar country who takes it. They enter in the other countries. They view it as instrument name of Economic Aid and like that. They of their foreign policy. Again, it is not with- allure the leaders. In 1977 the U.S. news out any strings. Your Resolution has said and world report said that between 1961- about destabilisation. I do not know 76 CIA carried 900 major secret operations whether Government have come out with to over-throw or influence the Govern- anything concrete. What you have said is ment. So understand whom you are deal- about destabiltsation. Well, who is doing ing with. You know in our love to get it? Who is behind that? You have not said technology 0 scome aid whom we will be but I ha va said it before. Now, you invited bringing in our country. We have to be very Weinberger and took him to certain pro- careful when we deal with them. They are jects of our defence to Bangalore. And imperialists. That particular word is there where is the report? in your ewc resolution. They are not gen- tlemen to be dealt with on a gentleman's basis. Here is a report in the Times of India dated October 15. The U.S. delegation Now. Sir. maybe that we should not take 379 Discussion ra: Indo- MAY 5,1987 U.s. Relations 380

(Shri Saifuddin Chowdhary] expressed in many ways. They are eupheric about it. But you should not. the aid. You may refuse it. That is my suggestion. But then you should not allow You should understand that one of ten of them to go scot free also. All their wealth is all the U.S. workers is in manufacturing also due to the plunder they made of the industry and are involved in export trade. third world countries and poor countries. So exports to other countries are also a There are certain multi-lateral agencies. necessity for them. It is not that they are You take on U.S. there on those platforms obliging anybody. So there should be combining with other counrtries and respectable equal terms. It is not like a extract more dollars from them through poor beggar we should feel ourselves that and from there arranged aid without really elated that somebody is going tc any condition. You should do it. There give us something. should be a fight. You know how in latin America they are fighting the indebted- Now in this connection while I demand ness and how they are trying to get that the whole lot of conspiracy that is together. They are saying your wealth IS done by USA against the interests of our my wealth. country needs to be exposed and we have no inhibition in telling that to our people Now, Sir, even in these multi-lateral but then the Government has to come for- agencies the conditionality that is posed ward clearly. The Congress Party has to by the USA is not to the benefit of the come forward clearly. It is not that for a developing countries at all. In March 1979 particular period for your convenience you the U.S. magazine 'Time' noted that the say destabilisation. Destabillsation is for a developing countries were becoming prof- prticular policy and not for a particular per- itable clients. For every dollar U.S. contrib- son. It is a question of the people of the uted to International Monetary country. How we view the world situation Organisation giving aid to developi~g that is very important. countries the latter paid two dollars In goods and services. For every dollar paid Here I have this Mid-Day edition of May to World Bank the U.S. reGeived 9.S dollars 3, 1987. There are two news items here. in return in the form of contracts, current One is about 'Israeli connection of PM's expenses, interest payments and all that. It guards. We sent some security people via is not that they are obliging anybody, .by Singapore to Israel to get training and in giving aid. Actua"y they are reaping the lieu of that we brought Uzi guns for prime benefit and through rhis conditioned aid Mi-nister's security personnel. Whose the independence of a particular country is security you are keeping, I do not know! being thwarted. Their policies are being You have seen how Massad is doing havoc subverted. So we should try for a fair rela- in Sri Lanka. You have to give answer to tion in the international affairs. I do_ not this. The second news item is about the know how the North-South dialogue will U.S. aid to Pakistan affecting our thinking lead but as suggested by Mr. Bipin ~al Oas in a wrong way. Prime Minister may review the other day the South-South coopera- stand on NPT. What is that? It means that tion is very important for us. We should some people in USA think that if you sign bring together all these poor countries. NPT then you may be given aid. Whether we are to sign it or not that is a separate Now, Sir, even in our papers and they matter. You can come to the Parliament have also reported that there is substantial and we can debate that but the point is that improvement in our relationship. They are there should not be anything secretive. happy with what we are doing, namely, Nothing should La secretive and in no inviting mUlti-nationals, liberalising the point we should be entrapped by them. It import policy and so on and so forth. They will be a sign of our weakness. NPT you are very happy. Their happiness Is like to sign we can discuss. That is another 381 Discussion fa: Indo- VAISAKHA 15. 1909 (SAKA) U.S. Relations 382

thing. But if you think by sigmng it they will capacity, they had the nuclear know-how, be less hostile to you that is wrong. We do they had the nuclear bombs. The Soviet not require a good friend like this mad Union had not yet come out and it was a' Government of Reagan. very dangerous situation. There are secret reports that the American militarists-the We don't like that. And there may be military industrial complex-rules Amer- other different clause that you should sign ica. I will come to that point. I want to mutually inspection treaty with Pakistan. emphasise time and time again that it is That is another way of NPT. We should not that force within the American system that fall in that trap. had torpedoed all peaceful relations that developed in the post-war world. They had also torpedoed the blooming relationship Now, what I require from this Govern- between'lndia and United States. They had ment is that they should come very harshly even planned. at that time, the secret against this Government of USA which is report that when they had the monopoly of acting hostile against India, which is trying nuclear bombs, as many as 20 cities in the to subvert our non-aligned policy, peace Soviet Union were all targeted to be policy. You should also take a lead. We are attacked. It was a dangerous situation at going to give yOU all support to mobilise that moment. the mass opinion in this regard. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru had seen this At the end, I appeal to the Government great historical perception. Whatever be that we should be unanimous on this. We the monopoly of power in one hand. the can adopt a resolution from this House world cannot be ruled by domination of condemning all the acts of hostility perpet- tnat brute force. He gave the slogan that uated by USA against our country. With whatever be the different social system. these words, I thank you. political system-he gave the slogan in America, in the United Nations-that India SHRI B.R. BHAGAT (Arrah): Mr. Chair- is free to join any military bloc. India is man, Sir, I begin my remark& by paying a non-aligned and will follow a peaceful pol- tribute to the Hon'ble Member who icy in the international affairs. The inde- initiated the debate for setting a very wide pendent policy of the world in international trend on this important matter. Sir, once relations can only be governed by peaceful more the Indo-American relations have coexistence. That was the slogan India gone to pieces and once more the underly- gave and what was the response? He had ing reasons behind it are the same. The an excellent rapport with President Eisen- Hon'ble Member gave certain historical hower. a man of peace, a good man, a anceotes. He quoted our great leader Pt. great man. But what happened? His Secre- Jawaharlal Nehru on this basic question. tary of State said: Non-alignment is But I would like to remind the Hon'ble immoral. He followed a policy of brinkman- House that the basic reason for the failure ship and all that-you know. the military of the Indo-American relations is that the bloc. Again, in the United States. it is the _ United States of America because of its military industrial complex that dominates. global ambitions and certain global obsessions failed to come to terms with one of Then, I come to a few years later during the mightly force in history, that is, Indian the time when the Indo-US relations fl0- nationalism. Indian independence, that wered as beautifully as it could in the situa- force of nationalism that came out. In the tion. That was during the liberal period of 50's when Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru first visited President Kennedy and when Galbrith was the United States of America. he gave the the Ambasfador here. I will quote Galbrith. slogan despite different social systems, he came only a few months back and , political systems in this present-day world. think. Natwar Singh had a good chat with At that time, only America had the nudear him. they are good friends. , will quote him 383 Discussion (e: Indo- MAY 5,1987 U.S. Relations 384

[Shri B.R. Bhagat] fact that President Eisenhower gave a written assurance that these arms would not what he said on this and why the Indo-US be used against India. But these arms were relations had not developed in the manner used against India in the 1965 war, so as it ShOUld have. At that time, Soviet Union much so that we produced a Patton tank was nowhere in the picture; the Indo- that was used against us. We captured that Soviet relationship, the economic relation- tank and it was displayed in Delhi and the ship was not there. From India the request American Ambassador protested. Just was that the Americans, the USA would imagine! But today the situation is a little build the steel plants. President Kennedy worse. Our friend, Natwar Singh has and Galbrith were favourably inclined and drawn a blank there. He has not been given it was the time when India's first industrial an assurance. he asked: For whom are policy was out and it was said that the steel these very sophisticated arms being given and other basic and co-industries would to Pakistan? These Harpoon missiles, be in the public sector. President Kennedy naval boats. Are they to be used in Afghan- was inclined, and Galbrith was working istan? They are all naval for the navy. hard so that with the Indo-USA coopera- Where is the navy? Where is the sea in tion, the steel plant is built. But Germans Afghanistan? Now, F-16, the latest air later on came and built the Rourkela Steel warning systems, AWACS, avionics and Plant, but not the Americans. This was others. Where will they be used? In the because President Kennedy proposed and mountainous regions? On the Afghanis- the military industrial complex, the power tan border or will they be covering the 300 in the United State systems opposed and, km range of the Punjab plains, Rajasthan therefore, it was vetoed by them once plams. the military formations In India? again.

But, this time the Situation is so danger- After that it just started the beginning of ous and grave that they have given up the the Indo-Soviet cooperation which has pretence. Whatever may be the reason, developed from strength to strength and they kept mum. So, no assurance on this. flowered and today it has become one of Then again the situation has arisen like the best model in the world how the rela- this. The latest initiative from the Indian tions between two countries, two States side was taken by our Prime Minister who should be in the international arena. visited the United States of America in June, 1985. His talks with President Rea- Then, later on in the 60s you have again gan and other leaders was described by seen the promise given by President Eisen- the American Press as a milestone in the hower. On the arms sales to Pakistan we relationship between India and United expressed our concern as my colleague States and the reason being that a hopeful Mr Natwar Singh, the Minister of State, atmosphere was created. It was said that a expressed India's concern in Washington considerable progress has been made in now. We did it three decades ago. We said our bilateral trade, industrial collaboration, that Pakistan's propensity, inclination is technology including high technology basically anti-Indian and that the arms transfer, cultural contacts, etc. Hopefully were going to be used against us. Presi- we are entering into an era of a happy dent Eisenhower gave a written assurance phase of Indo-American relations. But, our that these arms wlould not be used against experience says that our relation with India. Even then, the great Krishna Menon, America has been of deep valleys of dis- the Defence Minister at that time said that quiet and distrust. There has been a small he did not believe it. He made a statement piece of optimism also. At the present and he said that he was yet to see a gun moment the relationship, as I have said, which was pointed only in one direction. has gone in pieces, as it was never before, That was his famous statement. But it is a because there cl.)mes the question of per- 385 Discussion '8: Indo- VAISAKHA 15. 1909 (SAKA) u.s. Relations 386 ception, or ambition or even of obsession tioned how in the economic field; how in to contain in the beginning. Examples the other fields, this neo-colonialism is were given of the faulty historic perception spreading. I would not like to go into this of American power in the world today. now. But, I said. they were defeated every- After the Second World War. one basic where, because they were on the wrong obsession was that they want to contain side of history. They have the wrong per- communism. But, the fact of the matter is ception. It began with Korea. They wanted that, I would like to quote at this stage what them to maintain the status quo with the Prof. Galbrith said in Jaipur while speaking Japanese colonialism, i.e. which the Japa- on the subject a few weeks before. He said nese left there, during the occupation of IIlf Indo-American relation is to be Korea. That was their perception. But they improved and is to be normalised. then the met with defeat. That was the first defeat. Americans must dispel the feeling of suspi- There, India played their role. India was the cion in India that U.S. masters were replac- only acceptable country. Such was the ing the British masters." Actually, this is the moral stature of India. During this conflict, core of the problem. It is the tragedy of it was the Indian Military miSSion which history that America. which was the first went there to maintain the ceasefire. They nation to get out of the British colonialism went there to prevent the ceasefire opera- in 1876. became in the post World War the tions. Here, you can see the Indian history, pursuer of the colonialism of the worst their perception and all that. You can also kind. Thanks to the ideas. inspirations ~ the American response. But they given by Gandhiji, who said. "When India thought India, with its legacy of non- will become free it will work for the free- violence, pursuing a most civilised action, dom of every man in the world, "thanks to involving all its masses and particularly Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru who took this during Indian independence, never in his- mission and worked for the freedom of the tory of mankind, so many millions of pe0- countries in Asia, Africa and Latin Amer- ple participated for the freedom. By means ica, that struggle is still going on because of non-violence, they said, we will sacrifice India's aspiration or perception is that till everything, but we must be free. That was the last vestige of colonialism disappear the message of the Indian independence from this earth it will not rest content. It is a and it came into conflict in the Second matter of treat pride for all of us, for ~very World War and that has resulted in the Indian that in the Harare Summit our Prime formation of most powerful, peaceful Minister, Shri Rajiv Gandhi played a deter- movement-peaceful independent mined role to strengthen the unity of the movement, -i.e. Non-Aligned Movement, people, to create the wherewithals the today. Over 100 countries, today, are its material resources, the Africa Fund and to members. They do not have the military mobilise it so that the struggle against power. Power in the present sense means, South Africa and Namibia is contmued they have a moral power. They are pre- despite the fact that the Americans and pared to sacrifice everything for their inde- others totally opposed it. Basically what pendence and for a world in which they they fear most, as I said, is the Indian can fight neo-colonialism. imperialism, nationalism; its freedom, independence, subjucation of any form-politica', ec0- their struggle for decolonisation, liberation nomic, social and even informational and of mankind and the unfortunate tragedy of cultural. Today, these powers dominate history that the Americans follow. They #01- even the cultural life, i.e. the media and all low the policy of preserving not only the these thing. I need not go into all these pre-war status quo, but forging new instru- things. The subjugation is so total today ments of neo-colonialism. neo- that India under the leadership of Jawahar- imperialism and all that. It is a very wide lal Nehru and others have posed today as subject. the biggest and powerful movement in history. That is the answer; The Americans Hon. Member. Mr. Chowdhary. has men- were trying to dominate the world both 387 Discussion ra: Indo- MAY 5.1987 u.s. Relations 388

[Shri B.R. Bhagat] Today, if I may say so, the pressure is the militarily and industrially. That is why. , strongest. Never was such a great pressure make a distinction, whenever it comes to exercised upon us, to give up our path. to the political masters-the President or compromise, to kowhow, to bend under even the Congress-they are subverted by pressure as today. \ ve have given the this military-industrial group. They call the answer: we will never be pressurized. We tune finally. If something happens tomor- will never give up the path which we have row Natwar Singh will go out, and Shri collectively chosen for us. N D. Tiwari will go and see that the thing The Congress Working Committe~ has which has happened and if they don't like passed a resolution, that the de- it, then, they pool their strength and then stabilisation process is on. You accept it in everything comes down. That is the situa- respect of external de-stabilisation, Mr tion there, and we are not worried at all. It Chowdhary; but you do not accept it in has been seen that there is a move to cut respect of the internal one. A very sea- the aid which is coming to India. It is now soned politician, parliamentarian and coming down every year. From 50 million leader like Mr Indrajit Gupta also says: dollars, it has come down to 35 million 'Internally, we do not accept; externally, dollars. Whether they do like thiS or not, we accept.' You are Communists. You we are· not at all concerned with ,t We know the basic nexus between internal do not even' bother. whether they give it or and external things. Can external de- not. So. why give tnem this importance, stabilizatIon exist without internal de- Mr Chowdhary? We ask them. if you want stabilisation? to give us aid, give. otherwise, don't give. India tod~ - 'lOW thanks to the collective SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: We efforts of our people of thiS country- never deny that. But don't do certain things stands on its-own legs. In teh Seventh Plan, that will encuorage both -internal desta- we have only 6 per cent marginal resour- bil~ation, and the external one. We want a ces and the other 94 percent IS our's. There good Government. That IS all. may be greater success stories in a democratic set up in a situation like this and SHRI B.R. BHAGAT: We are very clear in particularly in the parliamentary form, otAr understanding about our foreign pol- where we have got support of the entire ICY Md about foreign forces. Letthere be a House regarding tne type of social and basic understanding on this. Then there economic order that we are bUilding, we will be no difficulty in following whatever have the consensus of the whole House in instruments that we forge. My point about regard to this. the internal de-stabilisation is this. There are, you know, people; there are, of The real crux is that they want to pres- course, forces which are linked with those surize us, that we give up our independent external forces of destabilisation. action, independent policy. They want to pressurize us. Sometimes they screw this SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: You way-through economic aid, as~;stance sever relation with communalists. and various other things. But there is the will of the people, it is the combined will of SHRI B R BHAGA T: There are forces. our people: the path in foreign policy that They were there earlier; they are there we have taken, the path of Jawaharlal now. This attempt is an off-and-on Nehru and the Indian National Congess, attempt. supported by all others-the entire Parlia- Another point is that there is a nexus. We ment and the entire spectrum of political cannot make a distinction between ... parties. We will never give up, whatever may be the pressur~ . (Interruptions) •• Not recorded 389 Discussion r8: Indo- VAISAKHA 15.1909 (SAKA) U.S. Relations 390

MR. CHAIRMAN: Order please; please IS no doubt about It. But it IS not a big take your seat, Mr Ram Singh Yadav. That economic power. Therefore, the basis will not go on record. No running commen- behind the STI programme, the Star Wars tary; it will not go on record. programme is that it will cost-accordmg to their own estimRte-2 trillon dollars. It is a SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: Having said that very big burden on them. The American there is a nexus between the internal for- SCientists said that if the American Govern- ces of destabilisation and the external ment spent 2 trillon dollars, it will be a very ones, the POlOt I make in this: As students heavy burden on the American people and of post-War external developments, you that they had to give up all the good things, must have seen that the powers that are soc1al security, etc. for the poor people and working, never cease to operate It is off- the common people; and they will not be and-on-sometimes on. and sometimes able to achieve their objective. This is what off. the Amencan SCientIsts saId. this was the opinion of the other people there. But the SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: (Midna philosophy benmd thIS IS that they will Por) rose. force the Soviet Union to spend the same amount for military competition with the MR. CHAIRMAN: Please allow Mr. Bha- ' result that the Soviet Unton will break. gat to speak. You can speak later. oecause the}, are not economic power. Then what will happen IS that all the 27 SHRI B. R.BHAGA T. We are a powerful parties, the congress, aU the programme country. But there are instances every- for modernssatlon. doubling the income by where. You see what is happening around the end Of the century, prOViding a house you. What has happened in Grenada. a to every Soviet citizen, improving the qual- small country of Just 300,000 people? Ity of life of the Soviet citizens, all these There, a regime changes, peacefully--: not things Will be nullified. Tnen the help that by violence When a new regime comes, it they are givlOg for mintalning independ- poses- according to the President of the ence of the countries everywhere In the United States himself - a threat to Ameri- world, they will not be able to do it. There- can security. And here, the American fore. for thiS reason, STlls a must. Is it not a marines move. Or, look at Nicaragua manapulation? Is It not a destabillsation of India, luckily, IS not a small country. India the worst kind? Therefore, when you go is a big country. and the people are b.gger. Into the question of destabllisation, you and are prepared to make any sacrifice for should not look for any concrete action. their freedom, and for their freedom of IndIa IS being destabllised all the time action. It is Indian nationalism-any sacri- because India has been following an Inde- fice they will make Therefore, you cannot pendent policy and it is a thorn in their treat India like this. But in an incipient Nay. nest; it is a thorn in the next of the entire and in many other ways they operate. They American imperialist thinking. India not operate. only has been following an Independent policy. but India has got the guts to stand Therefore, let us be clear about it: If they up rig!":t. Mrs. Indira Gandhi said, stand up can, they will do it. I will give you another right and faa: any threat, even the worst example. These forces of Imperialism, I.e. kand of threat that came in the Bay of Ben- domination by force- economic force or gal in the Seventh Nuclear Fleet. At that military force - operate all the time. Can time, Indira Gandhi was not alone. She was you think of a more powerlul country than Durga. The entire House was behind her. Soviet Union? Don't they seek to manipu- The entire country was behind her. Such late it? What do they say? was the might. They got this taste. This 17JIO hn was the taste of the power of non-violence, They started information campaign that power of the people that they will die, 800 the Soviet Union is a military power. There million people will die. This was the mes- 391 Discussion re: Indo- MAY 5,1987 U.s. Relations 392

[Shri B.R. Bhagat] Israel is known to possess some. These are all stories emanating in American papers. I sage of India's independence which is reflected in our Gandhian philosophy. in have no other source of information. They say, Israel may be having fifty to one our international relations at the time of hundred nue,ear bombs, South Africa is Jawaharlal Nehru. We said, we will die but having. and the Pakistan's nuclear facility we wilt never surrender. This is the power is there. Not only they are having double of the Indian nationalism. But they got that standards, but the policy, the support they taste. They had been defeated, defeated have given to them, the Amaric,ns they and defeated everywhere. They got the bit- have failed to persuade P.lstan- that ter taste in Vietnam. They continued the comes to this completely- they have war and they were defeated and totally failed to persuade Pakistan, or to prevent defeated, but they did not learn the lesson. Pakistan from going nuclear, and develop the nuclear faCility. But they say, why not Now, tney have come into our region. you do it, come to an agreement on NPT. The situation is very serious. They have Then Pakistan and India both should not come now on our path. Now the emphasis have any nuclear capability. All mysterious is on this region; it has started with a base things! Slanderous! Insulting the country! in Diego Garcia. Then it was upgraded; Our position on NPT is known. It is not a then it become a nuclear base, nuclear bilateral issue between India and Pakistan. submarine base; and they went around for It is a moral issue. It is a basic moral ques- nuclear facilities. In the meanwhile, a reso- tion, it is discriminatory, NPT. That is why lution was passed by the United Nations we have not accepted it, it has nothing to declaring the Indian zone as a zone of do with Pakistan having the bomb or not peace. This was sabotaged. having a nuclear bomb. But the fact is that they have again given them aid. President Today Indian Ocean is the most milita- Carter because of the fear of opposition, rised zone. dangerously militarised zone he stopped aid to Pakistan and then in having all kinds of missiles. all varieties of 1982 when President Reagan came he has most sophisticated weapons, all kinds of started. He gave his first ever waiver of nuclear submarines and all that; then other Symington Amendment that any country facilities are also there. This was the move- which is preparing for nuclear capability ment for Pakistan. because there is no will not be given. They got these five years. democracy. We have always loved for the Now again, knowing all this material that is people of Pakistan because they are the there, they have given Pakistan. They same so far as the basic interest of the know that Pakistan is- if not the bomb- people of Pakistan and India is concerned. having it in the basement, or a turn or But, unfortunately, in Pakistan, there is.a screw-driver away from the bomb, or they military regime. And military regime they are just at the threshola of the bomb, the saw this. Then the Afghan situation and declaration of their nuclear SCientist, Dr. the presence of Soviet troops. the nexus Khan that they have a bomb made to their developed between the U.S. and Pakistan own journalists. All these are but even then and now if I may say so thanks to this news, they have waived the amendment. This is a they are defeated allover. Now they are deception that they are practising. concentrating in the Indian Ocean and in the Gulf with one of the American strategies. it seem, to me to make Pakistan as But our answer is that it has cast a heavy their main ally here and then in the Middle burden on us. The process as has been East Israel and in the A(rican area you have pointed out in the House itsetf, we have South Africa. this is the nexus and then been seeing the increasing military links Diego Garcia base. And you see the scena- between U.S.A. and China. We have also rio, and all are nuclear powers.. South seen reports of trilateral U.S.-Ohma- Africa is known to possess nuclear bombs, PaJdstan military cooperation and an 393 Discussion '8: Indo- VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) U.S. Relations 394

American Company Burman was asked to which are still going on in this world. do a feasibility study of upgrading the Chi- nese origin F-7 aircraft with U.S. techno- togy for Pakistan. We have this SHRI B.B. RAMAIAH (Eluru) : Mr. Chair- information. We have news of the sophisti- man, Sir, the two speakers have covered cated weapons and the $4.02 billion aid the Indo-American relations and exhaus- which has been sanctioned now and w,lI tively explained how it is passing through be operating from October this year of different stages. In only want to add a few which $1.8 billion is the direct mlli~ary points. it also requires a balance of think- component. ing. We had ups and downs with them. When we realty needed food, the PL-480 So, you can imagine the threat reception had helped us and it had really given a and therefore when this is the situation this strong support at that time. In 1962 when is the scenario. When I started saying that we had war with China, as Mr. Bhagat also the I ndo-American relations have gone to mentioned, Kennedy had given an air pieces. it 's an understatement. We are fac- umbrella for India, protection umbrella. ing a great tnreat In our region, all due to The relations have changed slowly and the disquieting developments which I t,ave their policies have also changed. I also enumerated. The Hon'ble Minister will give agree with the previous speakers that morA information in his reply since he has today's position is entirely different. It all more ,nformation 3t his disposal. All these varies from people to people. We feel they series of disquieting developments in the are friendly with us. We feet we have very recent past have emanated due to the good relations with them. When it comes faulty and wrong actions of the United to the policies of the Government, there States of America, which I call it their glo- are lot of variations at different stages. Dur- bal obseSSions. This has resulted in mar- ing Nixon's time, things have deteriorated ring ·the progress whenever we try to I should not mention whether It was a Democratic or a Republican, in whose improve relations with them. We must have period it has happened or how it has hap- friendly relations with every one. When we pened, whether it is the U.S. Presidenfs say, peaceful co-existence despite differ- matn policy or the people are connected ent social systems, when we work for with mair· supporters and advisers during peace and non-alignment, we have to that penod. Again, what is happening develop co-retations with every one. The today IS entirely different. During the time United States of America is a strong of Carter, there was a light change for bet- mighty power. We have trade relations ter in our relations with the United States at with them. We have economic relations various levels. As Mr. Bhagat has menti- with them. They are our trading partners. It oned, we have good relations in some of is in our interest to develop friendly rela- the aspects and we have had some bad tions with them. But whenever we have experiences. They have given science and tried to do it, we could not succeed. For technology. They have trade relationt;. example, the initiative taken by the Prime They have helped us in developmentary Minister, Shri Rajiv Gandhi, in June 1985 aspects in particular. have all gone waste because of the wrong policies and wrong perceptions in this region. The House has already been alerted by the Defence Minister and For- But still they also have lot of problems eign Minister. Here is another occasion. with us. For example, they earlier promised We will have to safeguard our national nuclear fuel for our Tarapur Plant, but later interest and keep the alliance of forces for on, they went back. And we really had lot of peace and progress in the world because problems on that score. This sort of things that is ultimately the bulwark with which are happening and we are facing various we will finally defeat the forces of domina- problems. As I mentioned earlier. during tion or imperialism or neo-colonial ism , our war with Pakistan on the Bangladesh 395 Discussion fa: Indo- MAY 5,1987 u.s. Relations 396

[Shri B.B. Ramaiah} different ways, in international field, with big powers and through our non-aligned issue, things had deteriorated to such a policy we can i ntluence and soften these level that it became the worst part of our things, that will be very good for the man- relations with them. In spite of that, even at kind. As Mr. Bhagat has put it, today the that time when you look at people to pe0- defence expenditure in the world is ple relations, they were not that bad. But I exceeding thousands billion dollars and if do not know why at the govermental level only 10 per cent of this can be reduced and their policies are different. They seem to be used for the help of the needy nations, always supporting democracies in the there would be tremendous amount of world. But unfortunately, their policies are improvement in the civilisation of the not like that. Look at what happened in world. That would help so many people Iran, what happened in the case of Phllhp- and create lot of opportunities for the rest pines and of Pakistan? In case of other of the developing countrtes. This aspect places their policies are totally different. we will have to consider and see how we Today, what is happening in Pakistan? can use our influence, our non-aligned They should have really supported the policy and how to soften these big powers largest and biggest democracy namely. in various fields. It is easy to get stress and India in various fields. But unfortunately, strains with anybody. But if It is possible to their policies are varying from time to time compromise without sacrificing our self- and from factor to factor. respect, on our external relationship, we should take advantage of that. Of course, I know that our Government is trying its best SHRt C. MADHAV REDOI (Adilabad): in this fietd wherever It is possible. But in They have more faith in military spite of that, things are happening in government. Slightly different ways. Every one of us is really dismayed the way assistance is SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWOHARY: Mil- being given by USA to Pakistan. As Mr. ttary democracy! Bhagat has put it, they say it is for the Afghanistan affair. Nobody else in the world can believe it because it really does SHRI B.B. RAMAIAH: Whatever you not serve the purpose for which they are may call it. doing it.

We should try various optIOns. We should see how we utilise the advantages In spite of our best efforts, our relations of various developed nations, their help to with the United States have not improved .. us just like the fact that an atom bomb can Our Government must have put in all destroy the world but also it can help peo- efforts to convince the United States that ple In different ways. A cobra can .kill with I. 7 billion dollar military aid to Pakistan Its poison, but cobra's poison is life saving should be softened or reduced-to the maxi- also. It depends how our policies come to mum extent. But unfortunately, I do not play Its role) how we utilise their capabili- know what exactly has heppened because ties and whether we can make use of them things seem to be not in favour of us. For properly. example, even on super computer system that we are trying to bargain with them. It is really surprising that the United when our hon. Prime Minister was there in States refused to allow anybody else to the USA in 1985. At that time, he was make trade with China, but today they almost trying to persuade them to get the have the best relations with them. And super computer technology to us. It took what is happening in Pakistan-China-US so long. But even now, nothing seems to link, in their own relationship? What I feel be on the way. We are where we were. I is that if we are able to do IOmething in really do not know where exactly the prob- 397 Discussion re: Indo- VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) u.s. Relations 398 lem comes, whether the terms and dicta- Commonwealth Countries. I do not know tions are very heavy. Of course, we will whether this whole system can be able to never sacrifice the country's self-respect If use it. I do not know what is going to be their terms and conditions are reasonable, and how best we can utilise It to the best only then can we accept them not Interests of our country. Just as any other otherwise. country will look for their own people and for thei r own respect, whether it would be As they were saying, the Alrforce Warn- helpful to us. In what way we can do it, ing Contract System which this U.S. wants whether the possibilities are there. It is up to lease out to Pakistan is a very dangerous to us how our poliCy can be changed to system. I do not know how they are able to benefit our country and not to create any come into this sorts of attitude to Pakistan. other problems. t! IS up to us t'low best we Probably they would like to ha e a base tn can try to do it this continent Whoever accepts it on their terms, they will try to do it. But they must One more thing is that the United States also look into the neighbouring countrtes always says that they are the largest demo- as to what is the amount of danger it is cracy, that there are no distmctions or gOing to create and also the pollution that colour barriers. But when it comes to it is going to create which will cause us South Africa, they are clearly coming out anything. If a country like United States, with their own policies. In their own coun- with all the knowledge and experience, is try they say there are no distinctions or trying to go in for a syst~m that is going te colour barriers and all these things and create lot of problems .n a particular conti- that they want to support democracy, but nent, it is not good for them, not for any- in South Africa they are not able to give body else But whatever it IS. we have to their support on the same terms. So many prepare ourselves to face the consequen- times the issue has come up in the United ces. In whatever directiol" it will go, Nations and people have been supporting whoever is trying to help us. whether the it. In view of all these things. I only request help that we \NiII get IS gOing to be reatly of that our reiations with United States or the same nature or of some other nature, with any big nation requires a little careful- by what methods we do It, is a part of our ness and thought-provoking requirement responsibil ity. to see th&. we maintain our dignity and. at the same time, respect our people and help I have mentioned earlier and also our our nation. By whatever method we do it, it friends have said about the small problem is up to us. I thank you very much for giving of 50 million assistance. I do not know why me the opportunity. they want to make a cut. Maybe they want to show that they have disrespect or they want to give a signal of their dis- SHRI G.G. SWELL (Shillong) : Mr. Chair- satisfaction, but it is a very insignificant man, I thought a debate of this type should type of thing and I know definitely that our afford us an opportunity for a hard-headed country will never sacrifice our respect and appraisal of our relations with the United dignity in small things like this-of course, States of America, one of the super powers not even in big things. Unfortunately, the of the world whose presence around us is stress and strain seems to be slowly felt by us, and we are worried about it. This increasing and not softening. But there are debate should afford us an opportunity for ways and means how we should be able to a hard-headed appraisal of our diplomacy soften the whole system by the big nations, and foreign relations as a whole. I must say the big powers. We have developed a tre- that I was greatly enlightened by the mendous amount of force in the inter- speech of my colleague Shri B. R. Shagat, national fields and the largest number of one of the best speeches he has made, in countries are in line with us-the Non- which he has made a review of the gamut Aligned Countries' force; and even the of retations between our country and the 399 Discussion re: Indo- MAY 5,1987 U.S. Relations 400

[Shri G.G. Swell] America. But I won't subscribe to his con- clusion that all that America has done in United States and has stressed the deve- our immediate neighbourhood. especially lopments to where the relations ae today, in Pakistan. and we know what they are unhappy relations-I won't say adversarial dOing there, is pointed towards India. relations. But, at the same time. I am also grateful to my friend who has spoken just America has a global perception. It has a now. ~trategic perception. It has, as my friend Mr. Shagat says, an obsession. The 17.25 hI'S. obsession is the fear of Communism. the fear of the Soviet Union and its occupation is to contain the Soviet Union. We have to [MR DEPUTY- SPEAKER In the Chair] go back a little historically. There was a time when Afghanistan, which is so much He has given us the picture of another today a centre of all the trouble involving kind of relation that we had with the United the Soviet Russia, was an out-post for the States of America, good relation which is Americans. They had their electronic lis- an indication that there is hope of doing tening devices, they had a base there and it better, of having a better relation with the was from Afghanistan and Peshawar, that United States of America, but not at the an American U-2 spy-planes went to the cost of our good relations with our good skies of the Soviet Union and was shot and tried friends like the Soviet Union. But down. That was Afghanistan. I would also say this that it is nice to hear and we totally endorse what Mr. Bhagat SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Peshawar has said that when it comes to it. we as a is in Pakistan. nation will stand as one man. face any danger and make any sacrifice. But just SHRI G.G. SWELL: Pakistan or Afghan- moralisation and moral posturings are not istan, they had a strong presence even in going to cut very much ice. It is very much Afghanistan. The United States and the necessary for us also to adopt certain mea- Soviet Union were struggling for an advan- SlJres to do certain things. to convey to the tageous poSition in Afghanistan and Afgh- American Government and the American amstan afforded a very good base for the people and to the wortd as a whole that we United States to set up their electronic lis- are serious about it. tening devices and to spy on the developments in the Soviet Union. Now, that Afghanistan has gone, it is Pakistan today. We attach very great importance to our It is part of a geo-strategic conception of relations with the United States of Ame- the United States of America, it is part of rica. The fact that we have just held there the Central Command of the United States the India Festival running for a long period of America in this part of the worlq in which was an indication that we like America and Pakistan today is a frontline State, a most the American people to understand us. to important link in the entire chain. We have understand the history, the background, to understand this. It is not necessarily that the perception of India. And I think the the U.S.A. has India in its mind. I am sure India Festival has served a good purpose. the U.S.A. has nothing to fear from India. We have been able to reach a very large But they would like India also, if they can. cross section of the American people to fall in line and to provide another link in including the intellectuals. I would agree the chain of their Central Command but with a number of things that the mover of India, because of her strength, because of the motion Shri Chowdhary has said about her people, because of her policies and the events and developments which were everything else, \~ould not agree to this unfortunate, which have created the feel- kind of thing. would not submit to this kind ing of fear, if not distrust between us and of armtwrsting. That is why there is this 401 Discussion re: Indo- VAISAKHA 15,1909 (SAKA) U.S. Relations 402 kind of feeling in the American Administra- may collapse once again for America. This tion towards India. is a point which has to be pointed out again and again to the people of America, if not to the present Administration, the Reagan It has to' be reached to the American Administration which is a lame-duck people that their conception is faulty, their administration but to the people of Ame- conception is flawed. There was a time rica who Will elect their American Con- when Iran was the most important State for gress, the Congressmen. the Senators of the U.S.A. in South Asia, in West Asia, dur- America: that this conception is faulty: ing the times of the Shah when a huge you have had this experience and this can amount of sophisticated weapons was happen again. I do not know, if my friend, supplied to the Shah and Iran was looked Mr. Natwar Singh during his visit to the upon by the United States of America as United States this time had an opportunity the policeman for West Asia, a policeman to talk to some of the top decIsion-makers In of this part of Asia. But all those things America, the Vice-President, the Secretary have crumbled like a house of cards. The of State, the Secretary of Defence, the United States of America failed to perceive Security Adviser, all the top people in the the movements of the people in Iran and Administration-whether he had the occa- Iran, which at one time was the best friend, sion to discuss this with them in this way- the most trusted friend of the United States that all the eggs that you are putting in the of America became its worst enemy. The basket in Pakistan may collapse and all same thing is happening in Pakistan today. your eggs will break and explode in your It is very unfortunate that this has not per- face, the same manner in which the situa- colated into the minds of the American tion in Iran had exploded in the past I do Administration, I am not quite sure not know whether it has been done. If that whether the people of America are has not been done... Immune to thiS kind of thing, they do not understand that an absolutist and authorl- SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY tanan regime cannot be relied upon. The (Puri): Why do you compare with Iran? regime that goes against the aspirations of the people is the regime that can collapse SHRI G.G. SWELL: I am giving the his- any time. There was a time when the posi- torical event that what has happened in tion of the Shah appeared seemingly unas- Iran can also happen in Pakistan. This is sailable, but it collapsed. Today the same what I am saying. And this is what has to be thing is happening in Pakistan. There is a pointed out to th& people of America. I am Military rule there, there is no democracy, sure that if we can do this, well, there are a the people of Pakistan are embittered large number of people in AmElrica who against their own Government and every- will listen to us. It is most unfortunate that thing that is boing done by the Govem- the two countries-India and America- ment of Pakistan is over their heads the two democracies, the two countries in without the consent and the approval of which the will of the people is SCMnign, the people of Pakistan. It is quite likely that the two countries which has in-built mech- under internal compulsions, under intemal anism for peaceful transition of power- upheavals, the regime in Pakistan may be which is a very rare thing in the world-the over-thrown because you cannot keep the two peoples who have inherited all the people down by force of ann. You do not legacy of Abrahm Uncon and Mahatma use the nuclear bomb which Pakistan Gandhi, should not be able to understand tOOay IS supposed to possess against your each other. own people. When you destroy your own country, you destroy your own people. I would not, therefore, join the rank of There is something else which you cannot those condemning America for its own control. A situation like that may as well sake much agitated as I am, much as con- develop in Pakistan and the whole thing scious as I am of the danger to our country 403 Discussion re: Indo- MAY 5,1987 u.s. Relations 404

[Shri G.G. Swell] the technical capability of AWACS planes. They may not be that useful and effective today-definitely there IS, the greatest over the mountainous terrain of Afghanis- danger to India today from Pakistan. Ame- tan. But they will be most effective and rica no doubt today is indulging in what I most lethal in relation to India. These are would say, a blatant untruth. When the head the high flying radar platforms. From there, of the nuclear installations in Pakistan him- one can see 400 KM away as the crow flies self had admitted almost in so many words and see everything in relation to India. One that Pakistan today has the bomb, here the can see from the Pakistani sky beyond President of America, the Vice-President Bombay. All our airfield would bean open of America, the Secretary of State of Ame- book before them. All our planes would be rica say, "No, Pakistan does not have the there, would be seen clearly and the move- bomb". Do they mean to say that the world ment of our planes can be seen and can be is so naive that it will buy that kind of watched and direction and command can thing-when their own top scientists who be given to the Pakistani Airforce to take know something about nuclear teChnO- action, even before we are aware, even logy have said again and again that Pakis- before we make a move or do anything. tan is only two screw-driver turns away This is the pOSition. I would like to repeat from the Bomb? They might already that I am not very clear about the techno- behaving the bomb. In spite of all that, if logy of AWACS aircraft. The other day they say, they do not have the bomb and the Minister of Defence Mr. Pant has said therefore, they would proceed with the that the AWACS are not only the surveil- waiver of the Symington Amendment in lance aircraft but they are also a weapon order to give Pakistan another 4.2 billion system. If Mr. Natwar Singh can enlighten dollars, a large chunk of which will be for us about it I will be very happy. What is a military aid, it is very clear that they have weapon system? I am told that these something else in their mind, than just any AWACS aircraft are also equipped with dEwi- kind of feeling for Pakistan and anybody ces for Shooting out laser beams and these else. On top of that, now it is clear, there is laser beams can mobilise an enemy air- a clear possibility, that Pakistan will also craft hundreds of kilometres away. What have the AWACS aircraft and if the reports have we, in a situation like that? What can are correct and I believe they are correct we do? Will you just say that the people of because it is more practical, they will have India will stand as one man and then die. It these AWACS aircraft, not on purchase, is not going to help. This is a hard and real not on sale which, in any case will have to and cruel world in which only a language be paid out of the money that America of strength speaks· and, therefore, while I would be giving to Pakistan, which is a am happy to hear Mr. Bhagst making a long-drawn out proCess, but they will have review of all that is happening, I will agree these planes on lease which means that with much that he said the question today the AWACS planes can be in position in is, what do we do to convey the credibility Pakistan within a matter of weeks or of India to the United States and to the rest months, if necessary, which means that of the world. This is my question. the Pakistani pilots are not going to operate these planes, which means that Ameri- Another. dimension of AWACS IS thIS. can pilots will operate these planes, that American servicemen will be operating in Pakistan will have on its soil all the installa- Pakistan against Afghanistan. That is the tions, engineering installation, In order to ostensible reason. In Afghanistan, you operate these planes. which means that, have the Soviet troops. What happens . for all practical purposes, PakIstan WIll be the American pilots kill Soviet soldien teasing out its skies to the United States. Afghanistan? Would it not bring a Su, That is the position in which they are Power confrontation here, right at our d(. today. We have mentioned about this fact a step? That is not the position that we can number of times. , am not Quite clear about accept and the world can accept. This is 405 Discussion ra: Indo- VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) U.S. Relations 406

what I would like to convey. We have to down tne Tamil agitation, the Tamil strug- take a hard-headed appraisal of this situa- gle in Sri Lanka. We know that the Israeli tion. What do we do to stop it? One way of Intelligence outfit, the MOSSAD, has been doing it is to talk the Americans away from operating there for quite some time. We that. But if they are not bent to listen to us, know that the Anti-terrorist Organisation as it seems they are not, they have their of Britain, the Special Air Service, has been own perception, then something-else operating there. There are reports that which we can do to convey to them is that American Advisers are giving intelligence we will resort to certain action which will assistance and advice to the Sri Lankan make the situation here serious for every· Government and the Armed Forces. Sri body What is that thing that we are going to Lanka is a good base. Sri Lanka would be do? I do not know whether we have any- another good link in the chain of the Cen- thing that will meet the AWACS. I cannot tral Command of the United States of foresee. I do no~ know if even the Soviet America. Perhaps, it will be a better base Union has anything technologically equi- even than Pakistan. In Sri Lanka, they have valent to the AWACS that we can get from the natural 'bay, the natural Port Trincoma- them. I do not know abOut it. But then, in lee, one of the best ports in the world which the case of Soviet Union, they may not the British had left behind, as a legacy, with have AWACS but they have nu'ctear mis- over a hundred of huge fu~f tanks. I am told siles and nuclear bombs. that easily more than 10,000 million tonnes of fuel can be stored in Trincomalee any Mr. Bhagat was talking about the SOl time. We do not know what is going to and about America spending two trillion happen but we are in this situation, we are dollars in order to put the fortresses in in a difficult Situation, we are in a situation space to shoot down any kind of missiles which we have not faced any time before. that rises up from the Soviet soil. The We are unable to face this situation with Soviets. have gone on record that they our present means. What do we do about have an easy way, simple and inexpensive it? We may say that we have the Soviets as way of destroying these fortresses. I will our friends. Of course, they are our friends. not go into the technical details. Therefore, Of course, they have stood by us many although the Soviets may not have the times. Of course, we can count on their AWACS, they have other means to counter help. Only the other day we have received them. I know that the United States of a few squadrons of Mig-29. which are America is employing the AWACS over the superior J technologically, as they said, to NATO countries and the NATO dividing the F-16s. Yes. we have them. But then is it line in Europe. They have AWACS in Sau- enough for us just to say that we have a di Arabia. But that does not give them an friend as against them? Is it an argument advantage. But in tbe case of India, we to assume that America is our enemy? Or, have nothing to meet that. Therefore, they should we talk them out of this notion? I are in a position to twist our arms. think. we have adopted that policy. The very fact that we have held the Festival of India in America should be a clear indica- I would like to draw your attention, Mr. tion to the Americans that we want to be Deputy Speaker, that the danger to us is understood and we want them to under- not only from the Pakistan but the danger stand that we are the most reliable friend to us is also coming from the South from for democracy. If their obsession is against Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka has virtually given up Communism. because Communism is 'ttkldia as a mediator. The statements made totalitarian, if their obsession is for dem0- .~ the Sri Lankan Govemment are anti- cracy, the best way to safeguard demo- 1dian, shrill and militant The President of cracy, the American democracy, -iii lanka has gone on record to say that he democracy in the WOrld, is the goodwill . would take the assistance even from a and friendship of India. We can put to them devil himself in order to destroy, to put not to do things that will make India feel 407 Discussion re: Indo- MAY 5,1987 U.S. Relations 408

[Shri G.G. Sw other way. Why is Ohina respectea todav.1 Why does the Soviet Union want to~, like a besieged country, and a country that terms with China today? It is because. '" a ;s besieged will do any desperate thing conflict, although China may not be the Will the American people like the 800 mil- winner. China may be defeated in a strug- lion people of Indian feel a besieged pe0- gle with the Soviet Union, yet, China is in a ple who are prepared to die? Is this going position to inflict, to do, an almost unac- to serve the interests of America? This is ceptable damage to the Soviet Union. This the question that we must discuss with the is the language that speaks. Therefore. American people and the American there is no other way at this time but for Administration. I do not know whether Mr. India to go nuclear, for India to have the Natwar Singh has spoken in that vein and bomb, not to use the bomb but to say that, in that language... if it comes to that, we can fight and we can also inflict damage. The Americans will understand that kind of a language. We SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH: Yes, but have to do these things, Mr. Deputy- gently. Speaker, Sir. This is all that I have got to submit as far as our relations with the Uni- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: In his r~ply he ted States are concerned. will tell }'Cu.

SHRI G.G. SWELL: You had gone there. With regard to the Soviet Union, I would All right. But another thing which I do not say that in them we have a friend, but there understand is this. While we must be is nothing like altruism, there is nothing friendly with the Americans, we must also like philanthrophy, in the world. The Sqviet speak with our back straight and our chest Union, like ourselves, like the United out. Mr. Natwar Singh had just been there. States of America, will be compelled to act I do not understand the logic of Mr. Tiwari, according to their own compulSions and his senior, going there again. For what? where compulsions of their national inter- You had been there and you have drawn a est ceme in conflict with friendship with blank. Because we are in danger, every- India. of course, the compulSions of the bo~y sho~ld _go there to pay court to the national interests of the Soviet Union will Americans, to plead with them-I do not prevail. Why is the Soviet Union today so think that that is the way in which we can willing to reach a approachment with win anybody's respect. I am not going to China? It is also trying to come to a5 say that Mr. Tiwari should not go. But I understanding even with Pakistan. An" would like that this thing be thought over Pakistan is trying to come to an unde~ again. whether it 'is necessary for the standing with Soviet Union. It is nQt senior Minister also to go there imme- because Pakistan ;s very strong but with diately, in the wake of, on the heels of, the the help of United States of America Pakis,- visit of the Minister of State where, from all tan can do many things. There is will, thert reports, he has drawn a blank. It is. there- is reason. reports, he has drawn a brank. His, therefore, necessary for us to do And I am surprised the other day to read something .more here, and I do not see that the President of Pakistan suddenly what else is to be done. There is only one from 8 meeting went over to the residence thing that I CaR say, that we must teU the of Soviet Ambassador. I think many of you world that we ,are serious about it, that we have read that newspaper report. He wen are not going to tolerate that situation and to the residence of the Soviet Ambassado. if it comes to that. we are prepared to right in Islamabad for a Confabulation . It was and destroy and, if necessary. to be des- ~ astonishing and an indication of II new troyed. There is only one thing, and that is, hard word of diplomacy. We have got to that we should go nuclear. There i8 no take all these into account. There will be E 409 Discussion re: Indo- VAISAKHA 15, 1909 (SAKA) U.S. Relations 410 time when Soviet Union may not be able to getting along with United States had 't lip us. We have to stand on our own feet become synonymous with our much 'and the only option is open to us now is to neralded march to the 21st century. The go nuclear and to talk in terms of peace. rocket that was going to carry us to the 21st century was going to be fUlled by SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN (Kishan- American culture and American goods, if ganj): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, it is rather the rocket itself was not to be manufac- difficult to speak at the fag end of the day tured in United States. The Prime Minis- on an empty stomach. ter's visit was the great event of 1985. The Festival of India was held, the Wall Street MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You have so Journal at that time was Singing pacans to many ideas in your mind. That is not the new hero on the horizon. empty. We even employed a professional public relation firm to sell India to the American SHRt SyeD SHAHABUDDIN: I am people. We adopted an open door policy rather intrigued, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. I towards multi-nationals. We signed a read this moming this Annual Report of memorandum of understanding-do you the Ministry of External Affairs for the year recall that 1--00 Defence procurement 1986-87 which.was debated just about 10 You gave them a list. You signed another days ago. And I notice the prosaic but memorandum of understanding on high encouraging references to Indo-US Rela- technology transfer which included this tions, how they progressed during the last package of super computers. year. And the fact that we are debating again the very important facet of our for- Not very long ago we had an agreement eign policy in our international relations on the utilisation of PL 480 funds on mutu- just 10 days later speaks for ftseIf. ally agreed collaboration in the field of Obviously, something has happened, science and technology and what not. something has clicked. Now the first point I What has happened to them? I am rather wish to make, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, is that surprised. Is it not a proof of inadequate a foreign policy in order to be effective management of our diplomatic relations 1 must have continuity. I am sure Mr. Natwar Are you trying to cover up your inadequa- "Singh would accept that. And a diplomatic cies and deficiencies of today with the posture in order to be credible must have a idiom and phraseology of yester year 1egree of balance. It is amazing to me to invoking all that has happened from 1947 and that there are these very sharp turns, onwards? 'ery wide oscillations, very radical .;witches, almost a change of phase from Mr. Deputy Speaker. there is one axiom euphoria to hysteria. discontinuity. a tre- in international relations. There are no llendous discontinuity. And almost a habi- good guys and no bad guys; there are no .:ual blowing hot and cold from instant to angels and no devils; there are no perman- instant. This is not diplomacy. This is con- ent friends or pennanent enemies. Interna- fession of failure. This indicates confusion tional relation is not static, it is dynamic. and immaturity on the part of those who Our wortd view may be fossilised, may be are today handling our intemational rela- static; but a man of vision like Pandit tions. Did they note 10 days ago what was Jawaharlal Nehru in the late 50s-I tgoing to happen? Didn't have the slightest remember in one of his letters to the Chief

f fldication of 'what was on the horizon 1 Ministers then-said that he did not accept fherefore, I am rather surprised by this. I the vision of the wood of permanent polari- think either our past perception was wrong sation between the two systems. He said, or our present posture is ill-conceived. You in effect the two "ill come closer to each have to make your choice Mr. Natwar other. Because, then) cannot be a Commu- , 9ngh. There was a time not long ago when nist philosophy, there cannot be a Com- 411 /)iscussion re: Indo- MAY 5,1987 U.S. Relations 412

[Shn Syed Shahabuddln1 tinue tomorrow. The House stands adjourned to reassemble at 11 a.m. tomorrow. munist physics and a Capitalist chemistry. Science and technology and the new for- 18.00 hrs ces of modernisation will inevitably bring them together and today we see that hap- The Lok Sabha then adjourned till pening before our very eyes. Eleven of the Clock on Wednesday, May 6, 1987/Vaisakha 16, 1909 (Saka). MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You can con-

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