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OFFICIAL RECORD of PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 14 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 1785 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 14 November 2012 The Council met at Eleven o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG DR THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE VINCENT FANG KANG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-HING, M.H. DR THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P. 1786 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE RONNY TONG KA-WAH, S.C. THE HONOURABLE CYD HO SAU-LAN THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LAM TAI-FAI, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KA-LAU THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-CHE THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALAN LEONG KAH-KIT, S.C. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KWOK-HUNG THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 1787 THE HONOURABLE WONG YUK-MAN THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE NG LEUNG-SING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN DR THE HONOURABLE KENNETH CHAN KA-LOK THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, J.P. 1788 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN DR THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. THE HONOURABLE TANG KA-PIU DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN MEMBER ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, S.B.S., J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 1789 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE TSANG TAK-SING, G.B.S., J.P. THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION AND SECRETARY FOR HOME AFFAIRS THE HONOURABLE JOHN TSANG CHUN-WAH, G.B.M., J.P. THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY THE HONOURABLE RIMSKY YUEN KWOK-KEUNG, S.C., J.P. THE SECRETARY FOR JUSTICE PROF THE HONOURABLE ANTHONY CHEUNG BING-LEUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT AND HOUSING THE HONOURABLE MATTHEW CHEUNG KIN-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR LABOUR AND WELFARE MS JULIA LEUNG FUNG-YEE, J.P. SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE TREASURY THE HONOURABLE GREGORY SO KAM-LEUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THE HONOURABLE RAYMOND TAM CHI-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS THE HONOURABLE LAI TUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., I.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY THE HONOURABLE EDDIE NG HAK-KIM, S.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION THE HONOURABLE PAUL TANG KWOK-WAI, J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE DR THE HONOURABLE KO WING-MAN, B.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR FOOD AND HEALTH 1790 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 THE HONOURABLE WONG KAM-SING, J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THE HONOURABLE PAUL CHAN MO-PO, M.H., J.P. SECRETARY FOR DEVELOPMENT CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, S.B.S., SECRETARY GENERAL MRS JUSTINA LAM CHENG BO-LING, DEPUTY SECRETARY GENERAL MISS FLORA TAI YIN-PING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MISS ODELIA LEUNG HING-YEE, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MRS PERCY MA, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 1791 PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Clerk, please ring the bell to summon Members to the Chamber. (The summoning bell was ringing) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr LEUNG Kwok-hung, please move aside the cardboard you put on the bench because I cannot see you when you are seated. MR LEUNG KWOK-HUNG (in Cantonese): Well, should I stand up so that you can see me? (Mr LEUNG Kwok-hung stood up) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): It is not your turn to speak now, please sit down. MR LEUNG KWOK-HUNG (in Cantonese): But I have stuck the cardboard here. PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Please sit down and move aside the cardboard. MR LEUNG KWOK-HUNG (in Cantonese): Is it alright for me to sit this way? (After the summoning bell had been rung, a number of Members entered the Chamber) 1792 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 TABLING OF PAPERS The following papers were laid on the table under Rule 21(2) of the Rules of Procedure: Subsidiary Legislation/Instruments L.N. No. Allowances to Jurors (Amendment) Order 2012 ............... 170/2012 Public Health and Municipal Services Ordinance (Cemeteries) (Amendment of Fifth Schedule) Order 2012 ............................................................. 171/2012 Other Papers No. 19 ─ Hong Kong Science and Technology Parks Corporation Annual Report 2011/12 Report of the Directors and Financial Statements 2011/12 No. 20 ─ Hong Kong Productivity Council Annual Report 2011-2012 No. 21 ─ Consumer Council Annual Report 2011-2012 No. 22 ─ Director of Social Welfare Incorporated Financial statements for the year ended 31 March 2012 No. 23 ─ Report of the Director of Audit on the Accounts of the Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region for the year ended 31 March 2012 No. 24 ─ Report No. 59 of the Director of Audit on the results of value for money audits ― October 2012 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 1793 No. 25 ─ Accounts of the Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region for the year ended 31 March 2012 Report No. 3/12-13 of the House Committee on Consideration of Subsidiary Legislation and Other Instruments ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Questions. First question. Retirement Protection Scheme 1. MR LEUNG KWOK-HUNG (in Cantonese): According to a survey report published by the "Alliance for Universal Pension" in September 2010, over 90% of the respondents urged the Government to expeditiously carry out comprehensive planning and public consultation on the establishment of a universal retirement protection system. On the other hand, the Secretary for Labour and Welfare has indicated earlier that a task force on social security and retirement protection under the soon-to-be re-established Poverty Commission will be set up and headed by the Chief Secretary for Administration to conduct in-depth studies on the issues concerned, and to examine proposals for enhancing the existing retirement protection system. In this connection, will the Government inform this Council: (a) how it will build consensus in the community regarding the implementation of a universal retirement protection system, and of the specific timetable for conducting public consultation; (b) when the aforesaid task force will be set up and of the roadmap of its work; and (c) regarding the enhancement of the existing retirement protection system, whether the authorities have considered implementing systems such as public trustee for Mandatory Provident Fund (MPF), public annuities and "MPF Full Portability", and considered such proposals as combining the Comprehensive Social Security 1794 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 14 November 2012 Assistance (CSSA) payments for the elderly and the Old Age Allowance, and made projections of the sustainability of these proposals; if they have, of the estimated expenditure of various proposals; if not, the reasons for that? SECRETARY FOR LABOUR AND WELFARE (in Cantonese): President, my reply to the question raised by Mr LEUNG Kwok-hung is as follows: (a) and (b) The retirement protection system in Hong Kong comprises mainly three pillars: the MPF system, voluntary private savings and the non-contributory social security system (comprising CSSA, Old Age Allowance (commonly known as the "fruit grant") and Disability Allowance at present). This model was adopted in the 1990s in the last century after lengthy discussion by different sectors of the community. The Central Policy Unit (CPU) is conducting studies on the sustainability of the existing three-pillar system, and had completed five relevant studies between 2007 and 2010. A summary of these studies was appended to the Administration's paper submitted to the meeting of the Subcommittee on Retirement Protection on 19 July 2011 in the previous term of the Legislative Council.
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