The Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project Information Series JOHN P. HARROD Inter
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The Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project Information Series JOHN P. HARROD Interviewed by: Charles Stuart Kennedy Initial interview date: March 1, 1999 Copyright 2000 ADST TABLE OF CONTENTS Background Born and raised in hicago, Illinois Grinnell ollege; olgate University; Moscow State University; Georgetown University USIA summer program - Soviet and Eastern European affairs Peace orps Mc arthy campaign Entered Foreign Service - 19,9 - as a Foreign Service inspection officer A100 course .ietnam /ar environment /ashington, D ; USIS 19,9 Moscow e0hi1it - 2Education in the USIA3 Moscow, USSR - USIS 19,9-1970 USIA E0hi1its Program Russian language Security pro1lems Eastern European travel Soviet 2command system3 Pu1lic reaction Sectorial 6Soviet7 differences Provocateurs Relations with em1assy U.S.-Soviet relations 9a1ul, Afghanistan - Information Officer/Trainee 1970-1971 ultural center U.S.-Afghan relations Soviets Environment AID program 1 Afghan fair participation USIA impact ommunists Peace orps Universities English teaching program Am1assador Neumann Afghan relations with neigh1ors Role of women Islam Foreign Service Institute - Polish Language Training 1971-1972 Poznan, Poland - Information/ ultural Affairs Officer 1972-1974 Environment Trade fairs Polish-American ongress Philatelic e0hi1ition Ful1right e0change Security ontacts atholic hurch Balanchine 6New York ity Ballet7 visit Moscow, USSR - USIA - Assistant ultural AttachA/Press AttachA 1975-197C E0hi1its U.S.-Soviet relations Baku .isitors Security American student guards Reporting Aliyev, President of Azer1aijan Amerika Magazine Soviet media Ansel Adams e0hi1it Human rights Am1assador Malcolm Toon Secretary of State .ance visit and proposal President arter Am1assador Toon on television American transmissions interference Soviet bully tactics Privacy Act Press stories U.S. media 2 Em1assy fire .iews on Soviet Union Moscow versus the provinces Soviet nationalism /ashington, D - USIA - Soviet Union Desk Officer 197C-1979 Soviet e0hi1it E0change program Berkeley Springs, /est .irginia - USIA - Mid- areer training 1979 /ashington, D - USIA - Near East Area Officer 1979-19C1 Soviets invade Afghanistan U.S. Teheran em1assy taken Dealing with hostage families Hostages released Afghanistan reporting Mujahideen Hodding arter A1ortive rescue mission /ashington, D - .oice of America 6.OA7 - Policy Director 19C1-19C2 Reagan administration Taiwan issue 2Human Events3 magazine harlie /ick Pro1lems 2/orldnet3 television .OA programming /ashington, D 6 apitol Hill7 - ongressional Fellowship 19C2-19C3 ongressman Eim Leach ongressman Eeff Bingaman Program content and duties ongressional staff ontras issue E0ecutive Branch contacts /ashington, D - USIA - Ful1right Program - Europe 19C3-19C4 Bilateral agreements Eastern Europe programs ourses of study in U.S. /est German talks ReaganFs Ireland visit /arsaw, Poland - USIA - Pu1lic Affairs Officer/ ounselor 19C4-19C7 3 Political situation General Earuzelski Polish contacts Solidarity faction ommunists Dissidents USIA banned International .isitor Program Television reception . R tapes U.S. 2 ulture /eek3 Security PNGs hanges since 1974 Gor1achev influence 2Intellectuals3 .iews of U.S. Pu1lic attitude towards U.S. 2Polonia3 hargA Eohn Davis Human Rights Award atholic hurch President Reagan Popieluszko murder Media Ted 9ennedy visit Relations with communist countries .ice President George Bush visit Leadership contacts .irulent nationalism Multiparty system Helsinki Accords Border issues Brussels, Belgium - USIA - Pu1lic Affairs Officer 19C7-1992 TDY - /arsaw for Bush visit - 19C7 French language program - 19C7 NATO Protocol Duties and functions Reference center Media .isitors INF Treaty ontacts 9ing Baudouin 4 Gulf /ar Operation 2Provide omfort3 Memorial Day ceremonies Eisenhower memorial Lu0em1ourg U.S. am1assadors to Lu0em1ourg NATO Secretary General Manfred /oerner Am1assador Mike Glitman Am1assador Bruce Gel1 /ashington, D - USIA - /estern Europe and anada - Deputy Director 1992-199, Administration cuts Refocus for USIA omments on USIA directors Political am1assadors Retirement - omments and O1servations INTERVIEW Q: Today is the first of March, 1999. This is an interview with John P. Harrod. This is being done on behalf of the Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training, and I*m Charles Stuart Kennedy. Well, you go by Jac,- HARROD: I go by Eack. Q: .et*s start. Can you tell me where and when you were born and something about your family- HARROD: I was born Euly 13, 1945, in hicago, Illinois. My father was a lifelong - that is to say, 40 years - e0ecutive with the U.S. Steel orporation, and my mother was a housewife. I grew up in hicago, went to high school there. Q: Did you have brothers, sisters- HARROD: One sister, three years younger than myself. And I left hicago 1asically when I finished high school and went off to college. Q: Well, let*s tal, a little bit about the early years. Where in Chicago did you live- HARROD: The very southwest corner of the city, a neigh1orhood called Morgan Park. /e lived in two different houses while I was growing up, but basically it was in the same neigh1orhood. 5 Q: What was Morgan Par, li,e- HARROD: It was supposed to be as su1ur1an as I suppose you could have in the city itself. It was, as I recall, the only Repu1lican ward in the ity of hicago, and Morgan Park High School, where I went, was considered to be one of the best pu1lic high schools in the city. Q: /rade school- HARROD: Oh, grade school in that same neigh1orhood, something called lissold Grammar School. Q: nd what sort of study, particularly in elementary school- Any areas that you were particularly interested in or teachers you remember- HARROD: Not too much. It was a general elementary education. I skipped a couple of semesters. I was a year younger than most of my classmates by the time I went into high school, but nothing in particular. It was more high school before I really start to remem1er a whole lot of individual teachers. Q: Well, let*s tal, about high school. 0our high school again was1 HARROD: Morgan Park High School. Q: Morgan Par,. HARROD: /hich I know has its own we1site now. Q: 2h, my goodness. What about at there- Did you have any particular areas you were concentrating on 1 sports, entertainment, music, boo,s, courses- HARROD: /ell, there are pro1a1ly three things that I started doing in high school which kept with me over the years. One was an interest in history. Another was an interest in writing. I was working on the school newspaper and the year1ook, and there was a sports angle to that. I was not much of an athlete myself, 1ut I did work on the sports page of the newspaper and the year1ook. And the third thing was I went into high school studying Latin. I studied two years of Latin and signed up for a third year of Latin, which they couldnFt offer because they didnFt have enough students signed up so they called me into the principalFs office at the beginning of my junior year and said, 2You canFt take third year Latin. /hat are you going to takeH3 This was in the post- Sputnik era, and I thought it sounded e0otic that they had started to offer Russian, so I said, 2/hy donFt I take Russian.3 IFm thinking it was a lark at the time, and in fact it was one of those inadvertent career decisions, so it was an interest in history, an interest in writing and communications, and Russian language, pro1a1ly, that got me going. Q: ny boo,s 1 fiction, non1fiction 1 that sort of stic, out in your mind- 6 HARROD: I remem1er at that stage of my life reading every book that 9enneth Ro1erts ever wrote, from Northwest Passage to all the Arundel series. Q: The Arundel series and Oliver /iswell and all that. HARROD: Yes, and I remem1er Benedict Arnold featuring prominently in several of those books. Q: 0es, as being more a hero than not. HARROD: ThatFs right, one of the best generals we had, till we lost him. But that was kind of my interest, part of an interest in history. I do remem1er those books rather vividly. Q: I do too. That Oliver /iswell, for e4ample, I thin, for me was something I always referred bac, to as being there was another side to things li,e the Revolution, 2liver Wiswell being a Royalist, and reali6ing that history was not one1sided. While you were ta,ing Russian and loo,ing at history, was your family pointing you towards anything, or were they1 HARROD: No, my family was basically pointing me toward a college education but not telling me what to do with that college education. My father was a metallurgist and had his degree in metallurgy, and I donFt think he ever really envisaged me going into that field. So it was more just an assumption that I was on a sort of a college track program from grade school on. I mentioned I skipped two semesters in grade school, and I was in a sort of an accelerated track, and then in high school it was a college prep kind of an honors program. So it was always assumed IFd go to college, but it was never clear what I would be doing with the rest of my life. Q: What about college- Where were you thin,ing about- HARROD: I wanted to go to a small li1eral arts school, and just a1out every place I looked at, East oast and Midwest, fit that category. I think Princeton University was pro1a1ly the largest place I looked at, but it was never a serious contender. I was looking at places like Amherst and Bowdoin in the East, /illiams ollege, and then in the Midwest, Grinnell, 9no0, arleton, olorado ollege. Q: Where did you go- HARROD: I ended up going to Grinnell ollege in Iowa for two years, and then that career track that sort of began in high school got a hold of me, and at the end of my sophomore year at Grinnell 6which is an e0cellent institution, and I still keep in touch with it, a good loyal alumnus7, they were una1le to offer Russian area studies as a major 1ecause the fellow who headed the department left suddenly at the end of my sophomore year.