Australians at War Film Archive Thomas Smith
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Australians at War Film Archive Thomas Smith - Transcript of interview Date of interview: 25th March 2004 http://australiansatwarfilmarchive.unsw.edu.au/archive/1697 Tape 1 00:30 If you could start off by telling us a bit about where you were born and where you grew up? I was born in Glen Huon. I was born in a little cottage in the middle of an apple orchard. In those days there was no doctor in attendance, because 01:00 the nearest doctor would be four miles away. A midwife did all the deliveries in the district. My parents had come out from England in about 1920, and they were sponsored by this fruit grower, apple orchardist, by the name of Herb Browns. It was his little cottage 01:30 in the middle of the apple orchard. That’s where I was born. We were there, I suppose, twelve months, two years, before my father was settled onto a soldiers’ settlement orchard. In those days there was orchards all up the main roads, either side of the road was 02:00 just apple orchards. There was barely a bare space between all the orchards. You can imagine it was quite a sight in the spring with all the orchards out in flower. It was a wonderful sight, and smell. But then he went on this orchard. In those days, that was in 1922 02:30 when I was born, things were starting to get pretty bad, during the Depression. My early childhood, I got rheumatic fever, which I didn’t know about until well after the war years, they hadn’t told me about this. Of course, consequently, I had a lot trouble in the early years, school years. 03:00 But on the apple orchard, they persevered for quite some time during the Depression but it was pretty tough. Because they had to buy the sprays to spray the apples, and there was all the fertiliser to buy, and they couldn’t really make ends meet on it. I remember when I was about six or seven years old, 03:30 I was standing there with the mail, the mail used to be delivered from Huonville. The mail, he used to come around in a cart or a car or something, and delivered any bread or letters, he was the mailman. And I can remember them standing there with an awful look on their faces as they get a bill back for their apples instead of a cheque. So things were pretty tough. Although, even though it was tough, 04:00 our childhood was pretty good, considering the circumstances against the city boys. Because we grew our own vegetables, we had our own fruit, plenty of fruit, we had our own cows so we had plenty of milk and butter and cream. I can remember going to school sometimes. Most of the time Dad would milk the cow, but we’d have to 04:30 separate the milk. And I can remember getting half a cup of fresh milk and putting it under the cream spout and drinking that, it was quite nice. It probably wouldn’t have helped my cholesterol, but I haven’t been too worried about it. I’ve reached eighty two. Things have caught up a bit now. But in those days there was plenty of cream and cheese 05:00 and milk. So we had plenty to eat. We had no money, but we were healthy. We didn’t have empty tummies. The city boys were a lot worse off. I think this, in itself, helped me during the prisoner of war days, because I had that grounding as a child, the good food. I’m sure that did help me, because while others were 05:30 going down with different diseases, ulcers and that, I was getting over them. So it helped… So you think some of the country boys that grew up on a farm were… Sure. They had more initiative as well. I’m not running the city boys down, but in the country you learned to do things, you worked things out. If one thing doesn’t work, you think, “Well, how am I going to fix that?” And you go on and you use a bit of… 06:03 You're closer to nature and so forth, and you're able to work things out better. You look for ways and things to get out of difficulties. Which did help in later years. I think I survived where others wouldn’t have survived, because of my initial grounding. When I was a little kiddy, we didn’t have toys. I was very 06:30 interested in natural things, nature. I’d go out bush, there was plenty of bush about, and I would study the birds and the bees and the ants and insects and flowers. I just really studied them all, and you could tell when the weather was going to change, you didn’t need a barometer or anything. The swallows would be low…We lived near the Huon River, and when the atmosphere was heavy, and there was a change coming down, the swallows would be 07:00 low on the water, because that would drive the insects down, and when there was fine weather the insects would go up because the insects go up and they follow…There’s a lot of little things. The ants would build their nests up high, and you’d say, “Hello, there’s a change coming.” And all those sort of things, you studied them, because as I say there was nothing else to do. But in the summer we would spend a big part of our time swimming, in the Huon River. And 07:30 it was quite a big river. We taught ourselves to swim in a fashion. I know our mother told us in the early days, “You are not to go near that river until you learn to swim.” Little did she know that’s where we learned to swim. I didn’t know how we were going to learn to swim if we didn’t go in the water. But anyway, we got over that one all right and we learned to swim. We used to spend a lot of the time there, 08:01 in the summer days. The earliest we ever got into the river was in October, and believe me it was cold. Because that was right down south of Hobart. It was thirty miles away from Hobart, down south. And where we were, we could see into the south west wilderness, so it was pretty cold in the winter. 08:30 During the winter, our mother, she came from the old country and she was pretty strict that we had to be brought up the right way. We had to learn to make our own beds before we went to school. And in the winter months we had to learn how to sew and knit and mend socks. 09:02 This is what she taught us. She would buy these aprons with the flowers on them, and we’d have to cross-stitch and long stitch and make these aprons, different things like that, and also these mats. There was a lot of knitting down in those days, so there was a lot of waste wool. They would use this pattern on a plain carpet sort of thing, 09:33 and you’d use a long needle with the wool and push it through, and it would disengage and leave it to about that thick, and it would be cut after you were finished so you were left with a woollen mat about that thick, with roses and all sorts of different patterns on it. Which was quite nice, but it filled in the winter months, because you couldn’t get outside much because of the weather. 10:01 It was pretty cold and sometimes the snow was down. It was only in the fine weather, on a Sunday, that we used to have a bit of a cricket match between a lot of the local boys, they’d come down, and in the paddock we’d set up and have a game of cricket. We’d enjoy ourselves that way. Usually there was a bit Sunday roast on. It was our day out, sort of thing. 10:34 The nearest neighbours would be a kilometre away. You can imagine what it was like of a night. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard this saying of it being pitch black, well that originates I think from Tassie because it does get pitch black. You can’t see your hand in front of your face. We were quite isolated there. Of a night you could hear these 11:00 Tasmanian Devils in the distance, screaming and hollering. And also the native cats, with the spots on them. You’d hear them screaming a bit, too. And of course, it was an eerie of a night, too. There was no inside toilet. The outside toilet was way up in the orchard, and you can imagine what it was like going up there of a night. You didn’t hang around too long. 11:34 Not with that screeching going on out in the bush. And it was the days when the Tasmanian Tigers were still about. Not that they were in our vicinity. I don’t recall them being close to us there. But every year, we would have to go back in the hills, on Christmas holidays, school holidays, we would go back in the hills where mainly these fruit growers, they’d have these blocks of ground 12:02 on the sides of hills, and they’d face it east.