Queensland

Parliamentary Debates [Hansard]

Legislative Assembly

WEDNESDAY, 21 OCTOBER 1931

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Vaqrants, Etc., Offences Bill. [21 OCTOBER.] Qmstions. 1453

WEDNESDAY, 21 OCTOBER, 1931.

Mr. SPEAKER (Hon. C. Taylor, Windsor) took the chair at 2.30 p.m.

QUESTIONS. VALuE AKD TONNAGE OF CoPPER ORE FOR· WARDED FROM CLONCDRRY TO TOWNSVILLE AND CHILLAGOE. Mr. MULLAN (Flinden) asked the Secre­ tary for Mines- " 'Vhat was the value of copper ore forwarded from Cloncurry to (1) Towns­ ville. (2) Chillagoe, for years ended 30th J unc, 1928 to 1931, respectively?" The SECRETARY FOR MINES (Hon. E. A. Atherton, Chillaqoe) replied- " The information is being obtained." ::Ylr. MULLAN (Flinder-s) asked the Secre­ tary for Railways- " How many tons of copper ore were forwarded from Cloncurry to (1) Towns­ ville, (2) Chillagoe, for years ended 30th June, 1928 to 1931, respectively?" The SECRET.\RY FOR RAILWAYS (Hon. Godfrey Morgan, !lfurilla) replied­ " The information is being compiled."

REPORT IK RE LEAD POISONIKG AT MOUNT IsA. :1lr. :\clULLAN (Flinders) asked the Secre­ tary for Mines- " Has any report or information of any kind reached his department in reference to lead poisoning or plumbism at ::\Jaunt Isa? If so, will he state how many men have been affected by this disc~se since the cominenccment o£ opl-~rations there?" The SECRETARY FOR JVII="ES (Hon. E. A. Atherton, Chillagoe) replied- " The informatiop is being obtained."

SEATIXG AcconDIODATroc;r oc;r \VESTERN MAIL TRAIN. Mr. BRASSI!'\GTON (H-tlonnc) a···ked the Secretary for Railways- " In connection with \Vestern mail train, and the statement in thr ' \V astern Sentinel ' that the s. ating accommoda­ tion on the Cunnamulla-Charle·cille train Mr. Hynes.l 1454 Questions. [ASSElVIBLY.J Supply.

is inadequate, and that pafsengers have special services rendered-such allow­ to stand, will he ha ;·e this position ances not being a charg0 against rectified within the near future,., consolidated rcve,me. The SECRETARY FOR RAILWAYS Some of tho arrangr rnents are- emergency {Hon. Godfrpy :Ylorgan, Murna) replied- arrange1ncnts to 1ncot the en1ergent " The statement has l1ecn investigated, financial circurn~tances. The making of and a carriage has boun .~tntiouerl at the exha payment in th0 form of an Oharleville to bo attached to the \Yestern allowance rather than adding it to the mail train when necc sary, and this should principal salary makes the arrang·emcnt overcorne any po::sible risk of over­ an clastic one. and one which is oasil v crowding." terminated. ·when the time is appro­ priate, the qucction of merging, in some SrGGESTED APPOINT:IIENT OF O.P.S., RocK­ of the cases, the allowances into the HAMP'rON AS ASSISTANT POLH ~ l\'IAGISTRATE. principal ;:,alary ·will be considered. J\1any of the allm':ances \Yore approved Mr. DUNLOP (llockl arnpton) asked the y·ithout reference to the Public Son-ice Attorney-General- Con1n1issioncr." " Regarding the question of an assist­ ant police magistrate being appointed at such an important centre as Rockhan1p·· STATE ADVANCES HESERVE FUND, ton, and in cmmcction with which he has REAL PROPEHTY ACTS ASSUR­ received several requests, and seeing that ANCE FUND, AXD SAVINGS BANK the police magistrate at Rockhampton is required frequently to visit St. STOOK ACOOl!NT TRANSFER Lawrence, Y eppoon, Duaringa. ]\Iount APPROVAL BILL. Morgan, .Biloela, Theodore, \Vowan, and INITIATION. other Da wson V alley towns, cannot he appoint the clerk of pettY sessions at The TREASURER (Hon. \Y. H. Bcrncs, .1Vynnum,): I beg to rLovc- Rockhampton (1\lr. Scott) to act in such capacity during J\ir. Power's absence, '· Th·lt the House wilL at its nc>:-:t thus putting Rockhampton on the same sitting. resolve itself into. a Comn1ittee footing as , where, I understand, of the \Yhohl to consider of the desirable­ the chief clerk of potty sessions acts during ness of introducing a Bill to approve, the absence of the chief police magistrate ratify, validate, and confirm the tranefer, from Brisbane." during ihe fi:.!ancial :vr 1r ended on the thirtieth day of June, on0 thousand 11ine The SECRETARY FOR MINES (Hon. hundred and thirty-one, to the consoli­ E. A. Athc'rton (Chillayoe), for the dated r0,~onue of certain sun1s of n1orF~y ATTORNEY-GENERAL (Hon. N. F. out of the Rr"c ne Fund in the Stath .'\dvances Act of 1916,' and out gated, when it was found the suggested of the Assurance Fund c ·tabli3hed under appointment was not necessary." ' The Property Acts, 1861 to 1887.' to provide for the transfer ALLOWANCES PAID TO CERTAIN PuBLic Loan Fund Account of a cer- SEHVANTS. i -1in ~un1 of rnoney at in the SaYings Bank Stock (consti- Mr. DUNLOP (Rockharnplon) asked the tuted pursuant to ' Tb ~ Govcrnrnent I>rernier~ SaYings Bunk Stock ..:-\et", 1394 to 1897 J,l; "Regarding the exposure in ' Smith's and for other purposcR."' \Veeldy ' of Saturday last, 17th instant, Question put and passed. r, certain highly po,id public servants receiving extra allowances (also many others not included in this newspaper's SUPPLY. statement), ranging from £225, £100, £50, and other smaller amounts, will he RESUMPTION OF 00>DIITTEE-FIRST ALLOTTED make full investigation into the public DAY. service list issued by the Government, (Mr. Roberts, East Toowoomba, in the chair.) and say if these statements are true; EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE. and, if so, what action does he intend taking to remedy matters?" HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR. The PREMIER (Hon. A. E. Moore, The PREMIER (Hon. A. E. ::'lloore, A ubigny) replied-- .IJ.ubigny) [2.39]: I beg to move- " The newspaper list referred to is not " That £2,972 (balance of vote) be accurate. Some of the allowances granted for ' His ExcellencY th<3 included in the public service list, 1930, Gov-ernor.' " ~ the la test published, have since been This vote shoW'· a reduction of £301 as discontinued and others reduced, while compared YYith last year's vote. There is a some allowances mentioned in the public reduction of £76 under the Salaries Act, service lict have not been referred to in and a reduction of. £225 on "Contingen­ the newspaper article. In the main, the cies." All the officers excepting the aide-de· allowances may be deemed to be- camp are subject to a 15 per cent. reduction Allowances as full compensation for in salary. additional duties and responsibilities Mr. MULLAN (Flinders) [2.40]: The Pre­ arising out of the dual position held mier was somewhat brief in moving this and as full compensation for work on r0solution. He could have given the Com­ account thereof performed by the officer mittee wme valuable information. For in­ out of office hours; stance, I shall not be surprised if, before Allowances paid to officers by non­ Parliament meets again, a now Governor is governmental boards or bodies for appointed. The Premier might disclose the Supply. [21 OCTOBER.] Supply. 1455

:intentions of the GoYLTiln1cr1t in that re-­ \rill hccon1,3 intinitely dec­ gard. No doubt the Premier will adhere iors' displac,J the present ar ~he to the tradi twnal policy of the :\a tionali,t next eh,ctions. Party with regard to imported Governors. AnDther vie'>~r is that, if the appoinbnent Go·".-ERX:.\IENT l\llEMBERS: Htar, hear! is ma·de by the present Govemmc:1t. it wilt practicallv be on the eve of an election; Mr. 2'v1ULLAK: The policy of the Labour ~_,nd tho GoY£rnnu:-nt have no right to put Partv is definitely P..gajnst irnportod Uo~ this country to ~n additional expenditure vernOrs. There i ~ noth-ing personal in this of appro'-imately £40,000, knowing sery matter. \Ye haYc no objection to the present \vel! that they do not pos"·ess the confidence occupant of tlL office, who is' a fine type of the pc·ople. Thoro is no doubt that the -of Englis11 r·entlcm .n, r• ·.pc~tcd by all who Go\-ernnwnt, if they \Vcre put to the test know him. His Excdlcnc·r vill take a\Ya:· to-morro,·.-, would find themselves in a hope­ with him the best wi ll8s ·of all parties in le·ss minority in the country. this State. Our objection is to the policy of the present Governn1ent, "\vhich says, in There is le~.::: c»:cuse at the prc,;;ent tinle

not go on with the proposition of a fiye­ to become t-he "lext Lieutenant-Governor in year Parliament, which I know, seeing that Qnrc .1slcncl? If the great Commonwealth of all hon. members recognise that doom is Australia will not disappear-although the near them, would be tho most popular P1'e1nier sa.id it should disappear before thing that could bo introduced on that side. State Par!iQments did-- :',Jr. CosTE~LO: How would :·ou like it'? The Pnr>IIER: I di-d not say it should; I said that, 1£ there Y.'as •':· "ote on it:, it Mr. BEDFORD : I would not like the idea probably would. of sitting for another two years in Parlia­ n1ent' IYith thP hon. n1en1ber, as such a sug~ }lr. BEDFOil.D : The Pr•.·mier will be yery gestion is an insult to intelligence. lL~ wi::.e in forl ·a sting ·;'Otes. If ho foreLasts the votes for tho next election t:uly, it should One of the gre ctest protagonist.. of the gi \·c hjn1 :::uffic:icHt reason for quitting in11ne­ imported GoYernor is a parson named Rev. diatcly. N. S. Millar, who said it was "a question of such vital importance to Amtralia and the The PRE""IER: How did you forecast the Empire that representative men were under la't election? obligation to declcre their minds, else their :\Ir. BEDFORD: I foreca~t that we should silence Idight be mi,·interpreted as approval, con1e bad\:; and I was wrong. I did not or, 1vhat is \.VOrse, indifference." know that the people _,·ould su-ddenly go Herein Mr. Millar states only two real n1vd El!Ough to r12tqrn the prE.. ·"ent Gcn·crn­ matters-that he is a representative man ment. I do not beliem the community can and that ho lms a mind. He is merely a go mad twice in one generation; therefore, man using the pulpit to get for himself the there is sufficient reason for my believing publicity which his intrinsic importance does that we shall be returned to power at the not justify. next election; and, that being so, at the very ftrst opportunity we shall s0o that an Aus­ Apparently Sir Isaac Isaacs, according to tralian is selected as Governor of this StatE' many of thn objections raised against him, is a ''political hack, bound to party." That The PREMIER (Hon. A. E. Moore, has been stated about him, and the inference A.ubigny) [2.55): The hon. member for War­ was that such men as Edmnnd Barton, rego has seen fit to use this vote to cast Charles Cameron Kingston, Alfrod Deakin. unfair aspersions on former Australian John Forrest, and Mr. Justice Higginbot­ Governors. I do not know that there was ham, the great jurist, statesman, and fine anv justification for it. The hon. member citizen, were not fitted to be Governors­ also went out of his way to describe the General of Australia, but were fitted to be hon. member for Merthyr as a doctor mas­ labelled as " party hacks." If these men querading as a politician. One might with were compared with Lord Tennyson, Lord more truth sav that the hon. member for Northcote, Lord Denman, Lord Dt!dley, Lord W an·ego is a ·very small type of politician Stonehayen, and other figureheads, we would masquerading· as a statesman. (Government not gi,·o to them the appellation of "party laughter.) I am quite willing to admit hacks." that I believe in imported Governors. I ).Ir. W. Perry, Queensland registrar of the think it is a good thing. and I think that International Accountants' Corporation, has the Governors we have had in Queensland, a quaint reason for opposing the abolition of have been an asset of great \alue to the imported GoYernors. He said- State. I look upon the present occupant of the position as being of great value to. " The outstanding reason against such the State. a step was that it enabled Australians to lntcrt'ain a British gentleman; and a Mr. BEDFORD: There was misrepre~enta­ British gentlemar. was the finest speci­ tion about Sir Isaac Isaacs. mc·n of manhood the earth had yet pro· The PRE:YliER: I do not know about any duccd.'' n1isrepresentation. It is a weighty claim; but, admitting that, 11r. BEDFORD: There was. fo£ the sake of argurnent, Pascal, Voltaire, Plaro, Caesu, Charlemagne, Salaclin, Abra­ The PREMIER: I am not worrying about ham Lincoln, Michael .'\ngelo, Da Vinci, the position of Sir Isaac Isaacs. He was Pasteur. Jules \lerno, Curir, Lavoisier, appointed on the recommendation of the· Victor Hugo, Praxiteles. Tintoretto, V ela­ present Federal Government; and, if thev squez. Dante, George \Vashington, Edison, arc satisfied, it is all right. It is mv owr1 and ~vloses had not suffici• ut calibre to entitle pe1·sonal yiow tint a Governor from 'Great them to selection as the StJpreme head of the Britain is ,m asset and an advantage to the· Go,-0rnn1cnt in Australia, how do they corn­ SLte. I think ihe occupants of the position pare Xorthcote, Demnan. :"tonehaven, and have proved themselves to be such. Duclley. :md why should Australia pay :\1r. Hnms: What is wrong with having £10.0)0 a year to an imported Governor so all A u: tralian? that }Ir. Perry's association mav dine "The finc•Et :3JH-~cinlcn of rnanhood the ~arth has yet The PREivHER: It is not a question of producr:cl :'? Seeing, also, that it is no£ a what is wrong with an Australian. It is qu.'nentl of and do not regard it from the point of Yiew of ··mal!.class political advantage ot· :\Ir. rn),_ ORD: \Yh~- be fooljsh? as something from which they can make Mr. JHAHER: Mr. Jock Ga.rden is able capital-as, for example, has been done in to become an alderman of the Sydney City connectjon with the making of necessary C"oucJcil, and may evcni.ually attain to Cabinet €(~0ll0ffile.s. rank in a Labour Government in New South Mr. BEDFORD: You are talking about Wales. His party may eventually elevate heaven. him to the position of GO\·ernor of that The PREMIER : I am not. I say that State, :Mr. MacDonald, the Leader of the Govern· The ,appointment of local Governors is open n:ent in 9-re.at Britain, sank his party poli­ to grave abuses of that kind. I think the tical preJudrces, and thought only of the situatiDn is Yery well m·et to·day by the benefit to the country when the national appointment-not of what might be called emergency arose, th8reby showing h;mself to import•xl Governors-but by the appointment be a great statesman. (Opposition interjec­ of men who have proved themselves in the tions.) political a_1d financial world of Great Britain. I think we should take a wider outlook, The CHAIRMAN : Order ! I ask the Pre­ and realise that Australia is one big coun­ mier not to take notice of interjections but try in a great world; and that we are part to address himself to the question befor~ the Df a combination of free countries called Committee. the British Empire, or the British Common­ Th~ PREMIER: I desire . to say quite we,dth of Nations. It should he a fine thing defimtcly that no recommendation has been and a big thing for us all to have an inter· made for the appointment of a successor to change of the best and most brilliant men. the present Governor of Queensland wher" High!;- capable men have come to this his time expires. So far the occasion has not country as Governors; and they have been arisen; but, when it does, the question will able to give friendly and useful advice to be considered from the point of view of what the leade·cs of Govnnments in this cDuntry. i., best in the interests of Queensland, and the It is a nice thing to haYe an interchange Government will take the responsibility for of cct.pable men. any recommendation that is made. ::VIr. HANLOl\ : \\'here does the interchange con1e in? Mr. MAHER (IIosev:ood) [3.0]: I do not think it eo,n he seriously questioned that we Mr. ::VIAHER: There are m·any Australians have many ,._ry capable and very notable in the British House of Commons. Are they Australians well able to fill the position of to be debarred in England merely because Governor of the Sta.tc or of Governor­ they are Australians? Are we going to General. I have never heard any serious nse the cry here, "No outsider need apply"? criticism levelled against the appointment It we are going to take up that thoroughly of Sir Isaac Isa.ars as Governor-Gent_ral. wrong attitude; and, if we are going to say that a person who comes from Canada, Mr. BEDFORD : There was. En,)and, Ireland, or Scotland as a citizen Mr. MAHER: I have heard no criticism of the British Empire has no right to a of his c ·pacity. ·c\ignity, or of the ccbility phcc in the public life of this country, then that he brings to b,•u on the important )C:Jsi. we are on the high road to our downfall. tion of Govcrnor·General. The trouble is On the same line Df argument, the Opposi­ that, in the rather extraordinary atmosphere tion in this Pa.rliament would have to of Australian politics, the future may bring eliminate th

capacity in the public and financial life of Great Britain, so that they may be of assist­ only in rnaintaining our but in helping to adYance of Australia. :211r. HY:'\RS (1'o1. "·villo) r3.6]: I desire to protc_,t agan1 t the rontiuuaJ1ce of the prac­ tice of rE-~Olnrnondin_:~ impv:.·tcJ Goycrnor· for this 8L·te. Not-. ithstanding the syco­ phantic platitudes of the hon. member for Rr-,(nvood to the contr~try, any citizen of this State should be able to aspire to the ofiico of Go,·crnor. Vie have heard a good deccl during. the present and two prF'vious sessions regard1ng the nec,_3sity for economy. IIerc is a direction in \\hi ·h the Governn1cnt can put that polic,- in operation. I cannot see l..u: trrt!ia 1vhero we are getting value for ou1~ cx:pendi­ \YUS a party t·.re by continuiiJg the cxic;ting system. The , pr i11u.:n· s.urpris.:-:d -'-·J Chief .J,;·. tice is the per,•'ll1 -,, ho should &et on l'o'-'ll_,_l to En,~.dand he bccJ.n1e Chair* in the capacity o[ Go. ornor. llEtn of the Consen-.ativc lJartv. Peoplo thought th- t lH·. had no politic ?t any kind; Mr. WARREN: \Vhv di.J.n't vour Go...-ern- and. so far a'.J h;s 0( cupanCJ cf b1· Govornor­ n1ent practico that? V V conccrned, h'< had no )Jolitic:5. Mr. HYNES: Certai·1 foolis.h nmarkR f'1n ri e to the oCcasion, >H>re made ly thitiun, scas t: s a n "tt or of busin ss, he is pLar~ng a YC'ry pt:o · e,._;tiJnate on ,_,he gcntkman "\Yho ~·o have been told of the advantages ccn1Ps frorn ovc•r:-;cr: ~; if he bas'--s on senti­ accruing to Queensland hom having imported it ll10'llt, thcu I say th·:> high~st poo.siblo scnt'i* Governors, but they .re more imaginary lJH:'nt i~ thP s.::ntluwnt that Australia can than 1· al. The present occupant of : l.1o \Yell lock aft- r her own ctffairs. tho office of Governor in this State is a very If a G OYerllor is the onl.v tbing fme hpe of English gentleman, but I coni~! mention a number of very fine tvpl'c. of 'slancl or Austr.. clia to the Queensland-born gentlemen who could fill the a very poor and ~rifli'~g hold. ?ffice as ,._ell and as capably. By appoint­ >d;at _binds Queonsl md and Ing a nat1Ye of Qncensland .as Governor it ErnpiTo l3 a n1uch Hrongcr woul_d mca,n, probably, electing some political rnuch nJl,r8 sinc::re ti . As a matter parhsan; but we all knov that the majority of fact. it is making the bond stronger ;<.nd of Govcrrors or Governors-General vvha· have surer by l ~ting th~ Emp~re cxpre~s its confi­ been apJ.ointcd to Australia. have'been noli­ l-:.co j_n, 'J.Es.truli: _... s by .appointin'!' thcrn to tin] partisans; in fact. mai1v of them Cave position of Governors in these States and bee11 political partv hacks. The hto holder (' _mnonwcc.lth. Tho,·c was no objection of t~e office of Governor-Gener.: I of Aus­ by tlw llnp ~rial auihoritic.~ \·:hen it tralia, Lord Stonehavon, is Le~der of the ::::uggc3tcd that Sir Is a :c I sa 'lcs houlcl Conservative Part:v in Britain and as b.: GO\"Cl'll01'· Goner-:1 of _i.ustl alia Thev such, is directing ~or that party' the p~liti­ gl:dly 1_11l)dc ~~18 -::q~po:intrnr d~,_ s_howjng a. ral campa1gn ~hat Js bcmg waged in Britain h v, lCtCl' aJ1':"t proper Lprn·ccrabon of the to-day. He 1s a man ,,-ho is, and alwavs tl·rtn the nr.rrow _Austrulian yjel-~', has been, a political partisan, and a mo"st v .s:ays that nobody is any gr,od ,vho is conscrvatn·e partisan at t~at. That is bv bcrn in _\_ustr dia or ·who con1es to Australia_ the way ; but, in the interec.ts of econom ,;·, The: acceptrrncc of Sir Isaac Isaacs ,y_it·h open at the present timo we should ach·ocate t!1o the splendid mescage which His appointment of the Chief Justice to act as the King sent him when he appointed GoYcrnor. T.hat could be done without the to those who objec+ to oxJ;rnditure of the large amount of money _\_ustralian GoYernors. wh1ch L' bemg expended on the office at the of ':si on which tho present time .. \Ye have an·i,·cJ at the stage nr•t hold to-day; and when Austraha ran produce men ·::ith s11 ffi. of that part; up in cicnt, initiatiYe, brains. and intelligence to ~at to the general act. ~~1 a::1y capacit: whatsoeyer. even in the no a·dvf~rtisemcnt to the )10SI!Ion o£ Governor. · for m to b0 de· cri bed as so liHlE~ confidence in ourselves 1·) 2\Ir. COOFEH (Brcm I quite n~t UJ1po~nt our own GoYernC!rs, -w1th -what hrs ber-n hon. nH~HJ. \Yno dF p1ay such crafty cunnll10' this side rcg::u~dir g- \YO require a 1nan from ove1-:-:_ It ha- been understood to l 2 to our adv .ntage. Such party has no ani1nositv not hold If it is onlv n Englishmr-n; bnt the soci<'ll then it i-.:: ~t iu Stittc t ould Y1·cll be to Surcl"': b~.·longing to thi~ ourseh·es all· not l'~'grrrd ..:\wc.:!ralinns as r surrlv there aro born 111 Austraha. Bccau::;o ,_ man is born D-ll':' or t-n-o n1e-nv f'apablc- of oubide Awtralia that does not make hin.t po~ition nf ~o,-ernor of this [1~Jr. Jfaher. [:ll OcTOBER.]

noi a ntntt,_r into the rn ,_r ·when Le at:tr>n1ptcd to land UYN';;ea l1e. c•. But. 1tkc any d. l'llt- < lt1 n, when Su· tent J'ohn Gooch·in got' into a job that required .lnp.Lrti8 !ity and fainL'."':-'i he l'O 0 to 1hc occasion and did it idea T11is i3 'Ul o] 1 subjeLi ;ur discE-.:-,iun. and tho ll<1.·-. c 11('\-~r in it I fro:11 the v .~s y1l t.::Jed to Prernier on peOllle "With 110 political 1natt'~1· hi Hftc1·nc· Hl. ~..\n· who not ,_:i) 1nuch credit to his nor rd the· hon. nt.lcnutu \Vill it reflect credit on the Go\·ernors :horn . n' :'?l~t1~~ V ~f the starcnwnt is ; ttcl>lpting to laud. The _whole idea. lmpc.nec~ CoYnrllOl' IS an ~dvantao·e of a c,en1ocracy lll'CSLl})poscs an Intencie and to the State. Tla~ hon. ~entlcma.n ga~c s.- me old rea- .m for having imported honest intere"~ in the go Ye .Tnnent of any couihl'Y b~, i1., citizens. I have- not a gret1t thctt vn.s pra<:~icall,y f;ivcn in the deal of respect for an; citizen of this country century for h·lieY ing in witchcraft, naL cl· he ausc U1e r ·ople believed whar. 01· of other rountry •.,ho does not take a keen in the good governrnent of \Va about iL. ·\nv a:iva.ntaO'e, social or cconomicJ ac._Tu:n.•r this fror11 his r__,untl'y; and. if he take;;: a kJ'Dn interest tO cou1~b;v H 'l'llOl' fr0n1 OYL'~-. tS is a nUtr :d to be in e- good governnlent of his country, he 1 cannot fail to havo h Jn and distinct political rnel'cly Lee 1 u~c people bel1eYc it. h ,yp had inl}_::'C>rtcd Governors in the opinions. -'-·~ n1an can be a keen political va -;t; a!ld the Tory frame of n1ind is that , n, 'tnd l1 a \T a kren and ~h·ong Lt ith lYe should nerer up-pt at-ything done in the t.I 1 C po·h er of a :'olitical partv or of a pr.st," r LJ ne> . ..::r try to irnprovo on it. If political programme bcin,; to the advant. ge 1 ':le ;dn.t.s put forward b,· tho Premier this of his count>~, without being a bip;ot. \Vhen ;cft,.. rnoon ar ', acccpt,Jd~that this practice the Pr_emicr labels a UL'hll_ of arly political nas exlG-1 :d ror all tu.rle) and therefore conYicbon as Le1ng a party l 1,rk or a political 1 \YC shoul( adhe1 J t . it--\YO should make no partisan. ancl consequently unfit for appoint­ pro;--T,__9;;:. There 1:-s r1.o n1'ore reasun for ment to a. position such ~1 , GoYc-rnor hr is Lclievinr~ tha~ an i1nporteJ. Governor is of precuppnsing that all the people ~f this any ouislanchng advantage to this countrv countr.v are political bigots. J\Iy expcriencG t~an tht re is £or 1 0lie'-·ing in gho:'ts o~~ of p oplc of all shulcs cf political com·ic­ >ntchcs. bon in ihi., coun~ry is that they are no more bigots in polit~cs than thr - are in religion. l\Jr. 1\. FORG.. \:'\ S' ITH (Jlar·hy) [3.22]: Yon ha Ye notlCC.!blc- e·. ample, of religious It 1.3 a n1atter f.or n ,2_;ret that the Prmnier b1gots, ancl yon haYc nobccablo exan1ples ha-s seen fit to en __ .or .:Se the nolicv vvhich of political bif:·v;:-.s: but they are verv raro has carried out wjth st~ch -~rninent in con1parisc,_1 vi+h the gre~1t bulk ~f the snc"'e.::s by the Corr:alon~'ealth in the apnoint­ population. It is absurd to suggest that the ~;lcr t of n~ir lBr J_(~ Isa,a.cs as Gov:-ernor citizens of this country, e,·en though they are U~nerh.L J...llA Pr ...!llUor \\"as wrong \V hen he keen political workers and associated with Stld that . tb l.t appoinbnrnt as not politica 1 parties, are so bigoted that they oppo.Bd, as It vas oppo.s-~d by fOlne people cannot perform a job that requires the same ·v.he> v; C'l''' so bli::.1ded o1: prejudiced in theil~­ qualifications as are required of the Speaker news that they were of little or no account. of this (;il1mbcr-th. T the·· hould be ]m, king gprerally, the good citizens of the partial, fair, and just. · u1lth heartily approved of that a~.po~ntn~mt' n.ud t.=.'g-,udc.t it as a fitting The stre1mons dutie. of th, Gov( rnor of culnllnat:o.n tv tl1 • Cd'eer of a great Aus­ this State are strictlv not his duti•·-; as trallaii c1hzen. Go\·crnor, but f1e tour~ing of the country in order to n1 kc hin1sel£ acquaint.._,d 1vith it The hon. lll'. nber for Burrun1 intcri -cted ib industrit~s, and \Yhat is going on in th~ -while tho hon. n1cn1ber for J.flinder; . "\vas country. Then in1mcdiately h(~ kno1Ys thesG SJK kinr..:·. " \Yby did the Labour Govern~ thing.· he leaves the countrv :nd leaves some­ nte~· ~- not do that?" I ro.".J more particu­ one else to start th' busin; oS all over again. l!'rlY to deal with that phase of the ques­ The present occupant of the position of tion. The Labour Party has at all times Governor has n€vcr spared hiJns:?lf in order ·"akcn the Yiew that tlL posit.ion of GoYernor­ to make himsdf thoroughly acquainted y: ith Gcnoral of the Commonwealth or Governor the country. He has made the job a very of+,a StHh sllcnld be filled by an Austl chan strenuous one for himself; but that is not Cl. '?en~o1u~ who hvc8 1n ..::-\ustraha and who his job as Go,·error. His job as Governor iL,s l;;ecn identificcd with the life of the io; a comparati,·cly !ig·ht one; he has to bo people here. Fr~c:uently r. hi le we were in po·,yer \', J made t110i"e repre entations to the imparti~l, fair, and reasonable. To suggest that S1r John Goodwin had no politics authoritie~ in I Jndon The n1ost_ recent before he came to this country is throwing occ·1sion ';hen _onuncndations \Yere 1nade b.. late GoYernmcnt was when a slnr on th~t g,_:ntlernan. Fro1n \vhat I knew of him, I beiieve that he had political the Secretary of State fo·· the convi,.tions b_cfore he carne to this c.)unt.ry, Yisited Austra"!ia. On that "occa­ of the day init!atf l a bocat:,( 3 ht 1n1presses n1c as being a verv intelligent and fine type of citizen. and no . question; and I, with man can be that "·ithout haYing som~ political pomted out that there was conYictions, or so1ne desl re to see the country in faYour of the prin- and governed in the interests . Australinn citizen being recog­ people as a \\·hole. It is a!! rubbish tlu3 ''"ay. \'.~ e pointed out that in to say that Sir John Goodwin was celocted a non-party Yote had been taken on the questjon on .1 t lca.st two oc<·1sions · :from some small body of people in Eno-land0 who had no politic-:.1 conyictions. If a n1an 2 'Jcl a h1.rgc n1njorit.y of n1e1nbers of Parlia'­ of that type were appoinhd GoYornor, the l11Cllt there had Yoted in f&vour of an .A.us­ people would be justified in throwing him tralian citif_en bein':j appointed as Governor. 1'vi1-. Smith.] 1460 Supply. [ASSElVIBLY.] Supply.

i\Ir. An1cry ~·u J, on behalf of his Govern~ The point raised bv the hon. member for n18nt, that he \Vas naturally prepared at all Ro~ewC!od begs ihe question, or puts up a case tin1t-s to consider t;eriou' ly any re(01nn1enda~ v hwh 1--. no.- analogous. :\lcrnbcrs of Parlia­ tion that mi::;ht be made be· an Australian ment are elected by the citizens of the State. GoYcrnment ·in that direction. He also Men born in Scotland, Ireland, or England pointed o ·t ,-ery clearly, and so did one of are not selected for Parliament because of his predocc,sors in office, that, if it could their countrv of origin, but bec

Parliarncat Acr. and under tLc a'..-'..t~1ority I:ut what I \Yant to pc int out is -of the ruling given b~· the late King Edv\~ard; Sir John Gr ,eh in, with hi~ high and the LicuL_nant-Govenwr hnd the neces­ medical and 1nilitary attainnH~IlLs, had sary powe"!' to authori:-:;~-. rho_ Budget ,,:·ithout se1·Ycd ti'e Ernpil'e in ..::\u.-;tralia as an ~\us­ the con,cnt of the· LcgJslatlve Cotmc1l pro­ tralian, ho ,,.otdd not haYe been eligible in vided it had been 11assed by the LcgislatiYe the rninds of DW'l~- people to occup:'-r the A~sombJv. Thi2 incident di')clofCS a ._ ery position he f:.O '' ortl1ily fills to-day. If 1ny intcrc· ~ i~g ph use of the qncstion respecting ll1rJllor." L. c- corrccth·. a n~C(·nt occu- ihe respective po\\·ers of the two Houses of pant of ) r )Sit inn of Go;'ClT,or o{ a State Parliament. whilst it also deals with the ques­ in Australia ', as bon1 in ~Tclbourne. If I tion of the ·authoritv of a Governor. \Ve are am not mi hken. his father was a doctor, not concerned about the birthplace of an but lf'ft AuJtra1ia \Vhrn thi::; rrcntlon1an \Yfl3 individual; but we are concerned with a so1UC'\\·h;'l0 bout eight year::~ of age: and principle which the Labour Partv regards as h1: l'~sidecl out. idc _.\ustl'£11ia, until his fundamental; and that is that Australian appoinbncnt as Gon:-rnor. citizens ':lhould be g-iven any appointn1ents of The PR '~!H~R: Ti1·1t 1;;;, our . prrscnt the character no• · under discu :sion. Gnvcrr:or, Sir Joh~l Cooc_l-.,_z in. D t_l[rnnct Jlarr;, t) [3.33]: Mr. STOPFORD: That is the point I th;q 8n· n;;:dJ is worthy rnakc. lf ~-\.u:::.tra1ia is to becon1c a nation, \u~ltali.Ln if h,, c~v s not and if "\YO are to becon1c ,._eH-contained in 1···./ie. tl~ ;o.n posit:on evcr-.-thirH~~ '"'=' rnu~t a:"pire, as eYery other to offet· be at t'iP com{trv clc s, to fill, if possible, every high _1,.u~tl'aiiun c,.p1.blc ( f filli · _{ o.'lict' 'offering \\·ith our O\Yll people. ~o Gl''::'J.111Pt!t.:' to-Cay gi-."G it. addr:_t·cd rnatt~?r ,··hr,thrr a 1nan i~ bo1·n in En:~;land, the in1 11c .~ -ior: that the rne1nbcr<:l cf the Scodand, or any part of the Empire, Labou1 P, n.: re cp~1r: ,pd to Uovcr· ors b~­ jf he is a dtiz~n of Australia and has {:aU3': the". arc llritish-l )fn; bt!t that is not played his part in the national destinies c )trect. ' \Y c c! im that any Australian of Auotralia, he should possess the same who ha.:> pia.;-cd n ~lLportant r1rt in the rights as the man who mmt learn of the ,ife of Australia in " poliric tl. medicccl. conditions of this countr:~· after he has b<'cn n:.ilitarY, or otlwr ·dir:_-cHon. ~houltl have an sent across to Australia after having occupied ~:-,lua l 1~igl1t '''>ith a per~on of equal ability some hirrh o"'-re in anothet· part of the nd with tile -~-tn1·" nttainnH'nts in otJ1cr p<'~ rh world. Am.tralians are filling high positions Df t 1 " En1pirc to t'tc highc~t po-:;ition that An:-.\ rnlia L1s to offer. ell over the world t')-day; aEd. because hon. Liembcrs on this sidP suggc2t that Ac:strahans To-day Sir I ~aac Is'aars occupies tlH' should as21ire to every position of-fering in high0~t po;ltion ti1at Auf'tr:1 Iia ha~ to offer. Australia to-dav, the question should not be HO is tl ll1fll1 of out.standin;l abillt ·. ~-nd rliscu88Pd rnerelv from a narrow political {)IlC ~,it~ a cat'C 1· th~t ":.li:._~ hJln the a,-1rnira­ point of view. t3.onw. da~~ tbe Yario.Ls parli~­ tion not onl·· of all Au~tra1inn~ Unt al--.o monts o£ Auctraha will meet and d1ecp·,s th1s o£ "-..-er-"· Briti~llC'r. L-•t. us assun1c fo1· a ouest.ion nurelv fron1 a non-party viev pojnt, mo;1cnt' that nt the ·. c e of fifteen vears Sir s~':l that Aush:aliane, no matter what their Isaa.c lioac~ j~aJ left- .. \ush'alia tO li1Tc in po1itical vit'VYR, n1.1.Y be B:b1c t~ give an sonH. other part of t!!c En1pire. Let us n.::. tb.· i-dw1e cf hi~ servicn tn ...::\ u~­ tr"·,Ji:c, -and. ·~ ,~ fitt~ng conelu:-'ion to hi_, mit for selection the names of men loiE~· caT, C'1'. i1 •xa3 proposed to offer hhn the whose carPers in A nstralia justify u~ in high and lJo Turecl position of Goverr;or­ ronferrino· on them in the evening of their Gcn..>ral of Atntealia. life as -~ reward for their services an bonour such as we have conferred on Sir \Ye iind Atutralians, or alleged Au3tralians. I· 1ac Isaa.cs, a native-born Australian, w~om ·saying the more fact that he is an Australian, we have been proud to reward fo_r s~rvJCes that he has devot~d· the gifts God has given rendered bv him to the land of h1s b1rth. him and hi" energy to the cause of Australia, ;hould be a bar to attaining the high posi­ Ttc1n rHif' ExccllPncv the GoYcrnor--Bal­ tion to which people might othcn·ise readily fl r:cp of \-otc) ag-reP·d tO. vote hi1n. That is an aspcc_:; of the question EXEC"CTIVE COUXC!L. ·whlch n1ake·~ rnr> a 1-irrn believer jn the aim The PRBMIER (Hon. A. E. Moorc, of -this part:-·--not nece8'arily that it should JiulJi(!nn) [3.401: I lwg to moye- be ' political gift. \Ye hm·e sce·1 men holding strong political Yiews ea.lled to the l: Th.:-''; ,~e6 be granted fol' 'Exrcnt·iyc judiciary and to other high positions. CouneJl Because thes. men had the bigness to attain This is £14 ], than the amount Yoted last !he· hi7hest position in their particnlaJ:> walk V(,_~r. 'T}lC ll1C'Sff'T1gf'r [rf'tS £2 less o;\'lng· to of life, we have seen them putting aside ~~crr0 of £702 on the Goodwin, commands the love, respect, and an1ount Yflte-d last year. thr~ amoun~ :pro­ :good will of every hon. member in this Yic10d for "' Hansard,' and othPr Pnnhng, Hon, A. E. Jloore.) lJt32 Supply. [ASSE:\IBLY.] SupplJ.

'Telcgr -"'~ru:;:;~ Stationer~-, c:tc., ·~ not bc.ing suffi­ if theY were not cient' la~~ Ye-ar. Tb _. an1ount proyid!d on .-.-oul d ·not matter. the E LintR~ics for this itcrn lt tpri:~,~" und ,,~ould QJJsuro the success vided for inu:cascd t·. aY(?llir.r of the scheme, he would willingly include certain members, £292; and raih-, ay passes tlw restm ation of the l'pper House as for n1ernber~, px-members. and relative-;, part of his scht:me." £144; while £1.729 mor~ is provided for " 'HPnsard' and oth£r Printjng, Pte.'' The Sirl..eo C1· n Yarions. s'aton1c,nts have been total addition t 1 Yote for " Contjngcncics" Dl'ade fro~n tinl8 io ti1ne in n.gard to this is £1,148. ge11cral policy. The nwjorits of the ne\vs­ papors in Quec'ilslend dealing with th_ ques~ ::\Ir. ''-'· FORUX:'\ SMITH (Jiack•ty) tion ha c condemned the proposals entirely. tlw [3.43]: I notice that .PtemiN confined They realise th; t ic v·ould be a umrpation hiHBCi£ entirely to an explanation of the of auth'lrily t 1Htt rmots with the people, and expc .dituro la,t year and the probable the people only. The Constitution, as it expenditure this year; but I think this would e'_ist ;•t prc5cnt, provides for a three~ycar be a fltting occ 1sinn for the hon. gentle:nan Parliament. The theory of parliamentary to give the Conunittce, a1H1 through the !;OYernmcnt is a system of delegated author­ Co1ntnittce the c JUntry, a statement of pol-icy ity. All power resl ultim.•tcly with the in reg 'l'll to the Le:.ri·:lative ),s,omb!y and to b Parliament generall--. It "-ill haYe heen people; and law is 'sed on the co"sent of noticed that tccont ly tho press h,n-e yory the people; consequent]:- any e .tension of the life of Parlian~cnt without authoritv or eagerly canvassed hvo propositions~one dealing >vith the extension of the life of without a. mandate from the people ,~-ould Parliament, the other dealing with the pro­ mean that th~ Parliament was usurping tho posed re,usritation of the Legislative CounciL authorit/ \vhich primarily belongs to the On 9th July last the "Daily Mail ., had a people them>',,]Ycs. In cttoc-t, they would b::co1ne usurpr:r\ special article dealing with this subject in these words-- The HO}!E SECRETARY: Parliament reduced ihe h•rm to thrC'e years. " STAY I:\ FrYE YEAR~.• " RESTORE UPPER HOLTSE. ::\lr. W. FORGA:\ S:'l1ITH: A reduction "Reconstruction Plan. in tbe 11e.::iod is aly,-a,ys opon io Parlian1·ent; ., Debate by Gon•rnment Party. hut the cxten,ion of tho life of Parliament " The extension of the life of Parlia­ ie a.n authmity that r< sts only with the pLople. For exa.mple, if I gaYc tho hon. ment bv two vears ~nd the restoration of the 'Lcgisla'tiye C'1Uilcil .are features n1e1nl}cr a power of attornc_y for a period of th:;_, e .\'ears and no longer, and he of a co.1 ~prehcnsi-n" schcn1o of r('-construc~ tion ill Queenslaud propounded by the attempted to exercise that power of attorney 1\Iinister for Labour and InduJtry (Mr. after that l1<'"iod had oxpirccl, he could be H. E. Sizer) at the meeting of th" de,llt Y.ith hy the law conrt,. GoYcrnnwnt Party ye-sterday. The Ho~.Ir SECHET.mY: The Constitntion ·' Soon after the meeting, whi~h lasted prc,·ioud provided fm· a fiYo-yc ~r .Parlia­ ton hourc. the Premier (Mr. A. E. :Ytoore) Incut, and it waB altcrDd ~__;y Parliament. ~;id all the --liscussions were indecisiTe. :1Ir. W. YOHG:\.X S'\'l'IH: I know that. pa1, of the time, it i .. Parliament can be di',,~oh-ed and go to the 1\ ts ab~orb('d bv a. ·discus~ pc0pie at any time; bnt tho Constitution plan o£ rcconsh~uction that proYides • maxiJ.,um period for ihe life of carry Queen··land through the Parliament; and attempt to extend the tlepre."sion to prosperity and stabili:- .' period lw'"ond chc appointed in the .; J-lr. Sizcr ...-:ai(_~ his H.::ht:.rne IH.LS tho prescut Constitutiou would be similar in c, "'plemcut of the plnn of financial purport and in ct:1jr;; to atte1npting to use r,'h bilitation C>Yo1Ycd at the Prc1niert:)' a po\n=:r of attorney after the period had Conier(lnco held in .:.Iclbonrne. mcpired. I >ay that :llly period of time that may he suggested for Parliament-either ·' OxLY Frxn.DrExT.\LS. an extension to five YCaJ:s or a reduced " It is understood that ::\Ir. Sizer period-should be ;;u bnc1ittcd to the people exnlaine{I m the party that he could themselves to obhin their authority. The gi,·e them only the fundamentals of the late Sir Robert l'hilp recognised that when [Hon . .A. E. Moore. _d .a.. ::Jill i11h) thi·~ . nccc:3:3ary a_._d cof'tly duplication; and if, on a four-Year oih _r hand, a Legislative Cou:1cil th\Yarts " t:~ai- the Lcg·idatiye Assen1bl~- and prevents the Parliament. Had ontutives of the people from ·.. ·ith and pas' d to the mandate thev have of t~le day, jt \YOE1d }HtYC a general election, oriJ v does to ratific·ction of the an but · an Y"Jnld haYc becorne ~ n1rrjor IS LC'- t ;~c:nt 1al election. In other ~~-ords, other becomes a the GoYPrnnlcnt of tho daY bl :1 been the principles cif representative cd. tlH }r policy· '''ould · ha•-,_, l>'l'll government. There could bo no sound argu- down b;· tho people also, a.nd the 111ent in favour of it from the point of view of iimc provided in tht 're·." Bill of those \vho believe in the principle of sElf­ no.._ ln1'-;e ~~cc·n [.:ivcn cft'cct to. coYcn~nlcnt; and no one \Yho is arguing in fayom· of it at the present time endeavours The point I an1 rnaking i~ that any Llf'1~1ber of Parlian1cnt who endeavonrs to usurp to put forv ard such a ple., on the basis of c1cn1ornl y. pov.rer without authority is doing a Yer~· danrerons thing indcd·-somet.hing that is Tlw ·-de J th;, t is. being put for\'> ard b;' i.'nn subversiv; of the principle of repr" •cnta• j(JUl' ·'"1li:·-ts who suppcrt the Go-.;.~ern- :-iTc governrnent, and which is likely to bring tlt:ntJ or 1vho prepn1·c the c:•.~e the n :IV'> Parlian1Lmt intn. conten1pt. A Pa.rlinn1ent uar l':-) foi· ~- ... e prrYoulcl be exercising C'onncll on the f5l'O'l·lCJ tba~ it gi n~s fullrT power without the authority of the people, to tlw d· -ir s of the people. 'l'hese and the public ,,·,uld be entitled to remove ~he GoYcrnn1cnt frankly and it by an3· means at their di,,puc J. It would that a Lcd·islatinJ Council be an invitation to do such a thinf!. Tbo orde1· to pn~YCl ~olnc future proposal is one that is very clcar:y elf alt c11Tying out thci1~ policy. with in a leading article whit h appearP.i in that have appeared in the the Toowoon1ba "Chronicle," \Yhich con­ and ·· Courier J' rncan anv­ detniH?d tbo proposal seYcr~ly~ and regarded ulL t1H·y nwan that. They sa", it a; a form of prostituted authority that i hr~t the peoplE' of thi.:: counf-rv' '\ onlcl rnent tho contempt of all decent ;1rc nut tJ be• truc-pd \Yith r' n-;_e~entatiYC ritizens. gcH'Cl'lt::.ncnt. TJu' adopcion of thE:~ir propc:.,al, •\·hilt· retaining the r--..dnblance of dcrnocracy, The other quc·stion v.hich IS bciPg can­ >mule! rcnclc" its exprP> ion impo'' ible by Y•·Ssed in tlw public mind at present is the nper-im11e "'ing on this Charnber another matt· .. of revi\ ing the Legislative Council. Cha1nbcr whic:~1 ,,-onlJ. preYcnt efice:t bring The Premier dealt with this in his policy giYc·. lc·;·islativelv to the popular will. That speech, am! he concluded b·. making the ;, a principle which is cntin 1y abwcd. The iollo1Ying very definite statement:- l)ropo~itiou cnnnot be ~·npportc.d fro1n tha " Ho\veyer, as this m:-.tter in-rolves a ]JOint of ·ie• · of any d,~n10cratiL ~entin1cnt chnnge in the c·onstitution, and as there Ol' pt·incipl<~ of representative b0':'0rnn1Pllt. ar ~ at lPae-t two alternati \'G proposals ::\Ir. BI-l\~\D: Tl1erc is n0thing n1uf"h Y.rong upon vvhich I should like considc d,tion 7 ith the British sy ,tem. bv the people, it is n1y intention in clue 'muse to submit the question to " refer­ ::\Jr. \\~. liORUA:\ i::>!\IIT.H: Does the hon. cndun1 for final decision." 1111 rn1,-r rcal~:..c the Legisl.fltiYe Council IYhic !1 1~ no·N adyoc:1tcd is not the In other 1vords, thP hon. gcnt]cnlan recog­ Briti~h sy~tem '! nised in that statement-and he recognised ~Ir. BRA:\D: The Brit~ .h sy 'tcm is bi­ it when replying 011 ono occa~ion to a ques­ canieral. tiOi1 asked by the hon. member for Hock­ hc'.mpton-that any amrndment of the Con­ '•Ir·. Vi~. FORGA"J SYJ:ITH: The bi­ stitution of a m~·tjor character such as is canwn l yste1n. a:.: it exists in Great Britain ~ontemplated should only be made by obtain­ ab present, provides definitely and clearly mg a mancL.te from the people. So far as for the dominance of the House of Cam­ the GoYcrnmcnt have obtained a mandato mono. The most that the House of Lords on this quE'stion, it is a 1nandate for a refer­ r m tlo under the Bl·itish Crmstitv.tion is' to endum on thE' cubject. In ot,he;o >Yore!~. the delay ordin:u-y lc;;jslation. It has no con­ mandate is not to restore the Logi,lativo trol at all O\-cr money Bills. r~Caxation, Council on the old or an:v basis, but a the control of expenditure, everything in­ m< nclato to submit the anostion to a refer­ ,-oh·ing finance\ ii' entirely ithin the domain endum of the neonle. The Premier and other of the House of Commons. If in any session hon. rncmbers-ha\-o suf.ig·ested tho.t the Leo-is­ oi Pa rlian10nt the :fiousc· of Lords refuses la.ti \··; Council was abolis,hed W'jthout :.-~eh to na~ a nlOl1L,.' Bill-and a nlouev Bill is' a mandate nothing could bo further Trh~t the S11cak'cr of the Co~nnlons' declares from the \Vhi!e it is truo that a to be a 1noncy Bill-it goes to the King referendnn1 was taken on the· question and for the Royn1 As~cnt straight a-·, a-..~. The the proposal \Yas turned do-.•·n b~~ a n1ajoritY pl~dge to "l·:hieh I refQrred on a }wcvious of the people, at two subsequecrt election's \'Ote as heYing been given by the late Kino· the Labour Partv obtained a deflnite n1andate Edwarcl wns to the effect that. in the ()Yer{t to aboJi,h the ~Lc,gisl tive Cmmoil bv Act 0f any· clar,h oceurring in the fnturc bct\veen of Parliamonf. Ever the L: hour ·Partv ·he IIousc of CornrnonJ and the J-Iouf:r; of h:.;; L0'- n a n<:. nT :-;tnod for' on.(.' Lords, he would at all times accept the advice Chan1h;>r in P~ulia1ncnt. and for l'Cpr('scnta­ of his resvor::s"'bln arl.Yi~cr~) the Govcrnn1Pnt ti,-e go>oernment carried out by the r·cpre­ of tlw clay. In other >Yards, he committ.;d sontatlvos of the people. No one who believe:; l.itnself and his succes;:;ors to asscntincr0 to in the principle of representatiYe govern­ those finance Bills jn nny ca~e '"hr-re the mco.It could support a nominee Chamber. A House of Loc·Yishes of the popular Chamber, is an un- kmcl is' not the proposal which is being 111r. Smith.] H61 Supp.ly. [ASSE::\IBLY.] Su:Jply.

can,. as~ed 1Lre to-day. If that "\Vc_,_·e the It YYili b·< s_cn that the average rate of proposit'ou. it ' ould ·merely proyide for . a interr·;;t we1s lov;er in Queensland than in co~tly duplication, and for an increase 111 the or':cr States.. and that the percentage the of P>_r1iament, be.cal.E2 the rt 11 jn-·rcJ e in t.he public debt \va:~ less in basis justifJcuion of Parlia1nent-apart Queensland on rt per capita b~~sis than in any fron1 occa~ior::.< such as the n1easure in 1rhich of the mainland States, with the exception the Treasurer is endeavouring to s'ocurc r .titi­ of \Yl'Iern Australia. ('ation by Parliarnent of son1ething thut he The Premier should give some inforrnation has already done- ~,re: to Le found in thP a.s 10 the Governrnent's intentions in con~ control of financ8 and t:txation. and .r:very­ nertion with this 1nattcr, which has been ihlng- involYc d in a lllOTIC'Y Bill. Tf that gi,-eE pro!ninO.!C'C in the lJublic pref-':i. It has pow~·r is _,onfin~d ,.) a Lr~islati.-e A>·• ... mbly, beee1 stared that his JlCLrty are divided ou the clcct·d1 'l'l'e•c!ltatiYco of the peq1k. tLcn tllc It is natural that that Jhonld the Lrgislativc Council bf mnes a costly ex­ b'' so. is stated that some members of his <.:rescrn{'e. :-nd of no value \YhatcYrr to a!lVOllC' rsponsible for tirne comes. their preparation exerci~cs more meticulous Mr. \V. FORGAN SMITH: It is freely ~ .. trc in the future. stated by officials of the hon. gentleman's The Premier endeavours to argue in the organisation, who are in a position to knovv, preiis that, had a Legislative Council been that it is the illtention of the Government in c:\istence in Queensland, the ra.te of to introduce a Bill of this character in the interest on our public debt would have been last few dE~ys of the present session of Par­ approximately ~ per cenL less than it is liament. That is when the Standing Orders at the pre;cnt tinw. """othing could be art' euspended; and it will probably be the furtlJPr fro:n the trutiJ. ·when the Labour cndeaYour of the Government to force the Govcrnmcut teak ofFice, tl1e average rate of Bill t,hrough in one day. intc>·est paid by Queensland was higher Mr. EDvYARDS: Then vou ,_·on't Jw Wl'· than tlw an·rage ra:c for all the States. prised \Yhen th,1t comes -;,bout 1 At the vresc•nt time the a.verage rate of interest pr ir~ Ly QnecL:sland is lo'.~rer than Mr. \Y. FORGAN SMITH: I would !lot all the Sta·: ··s. Thcee flgurcs show the aver­ be surprised at anything the Government age ntes of interest paid- would do. • J\.1r. MA HER : ;'\:'either were we surprised ! . , 30 June, at anything your Government did. 1013 1020 I, (per cent.)· (per cent.)· Mr. VI'. FORGAN SMITH: The proposal to re-establish the Upper House is one for which the Government have no mandate. I ~ s. d. ! £ s. d. TheY have a mandate to hold a referen­ Average ratr of interest for I u 13 0 4 18 11 all States combined duni on the re-establishment of the Upper Average rate paid by i 2 16 4 10 2 House, and any proposal to resuscitate a Queensland Lf'gislati.-e Council should not be entertained I by Parliament unless the authority of the So far from there being any increase in the people is first obtained. The Government average rate of interest following upon can do that either bv means of a referen­ the abolition of the Legislative Council dum. which the Pi·emier in his policy Quconsland·-the only State with a. uni­ speech said he would hold, or, if they desire cameral systern of government-has the to sa>·e thst expense, let them go to t.he lo1ve.st average rato of intere-st of any of country at the next election with this ques­ the States of the Commonwealth.. I have tion a.' a major issue. That is a fair and given the ftgures, and they show very clearly rcC>son.cblP c,ttitnde to take up: bat to that a case attempted to be made by the end ea Your to shackle the future of this Premier· on the ba.sis of interest rates cannot Parliament and superimpose another Cham­ in any way be sustained. ber on future Governments can only have one effect. and that is the subversion of the The PRD!IFR: Of course it can. \Yhat represC'ntativc character of the Parliament nonsenso [ Y\·hich exists at the present time. That n1r. \Y. FORGA::-J S::O;li'TH: The follow­ ynmld be contrary to sound policy and sound ing flg11r0s baYc a very in1portant l1earing parliamentarc practice. on dw euhject ;- Mr. BRASSL'\GTON (Balonne) [4.7]: The Premier made many promises in the election Perrentar,-e campaign of 1929, one of which was- increas·.. Percentag' increasn " J\'o restoration of the Upver House in aggregate per capita. hldcbtt:'dne > '· \vithout a referendum." I shall later road somo statements mado by hon. members of this Assembly in con­ Queensland .. 3.2"28 11'81 .. 41'4;, 23•39 nection with that proposal, but for the Victoria . . . . 42'98 2i'03 vresent I content myself with asking: " Who South Australia .. 65'40 44'12 desires the restoration of the Uppe;· House West Australia 27'61 5'40 in this State?" I think I can answer for th0 people g<>nerally by saying that the [i!fr. Smith. Supply. [:/ l OCTOBER.] Supply. 1465

majority do not de,ire the re>torat!on .of Council on the lines [Ugge3ted by the daily the lippor House. Those who desire Its press-and I understand the Pr~m.ier restoration ar' those in tha fortunate position adrnitted that thP. Government v>cre gn:1ng of representing vested interests. Those who con· ideration to that proposal-then the Go­ control vestod interests fear the return of Ycrnn1cnt will be putting the clock back one the Labour Party to power. They have hundred years so far r ·; QuLensland i3 con~ reac.)n to fear the succe, ~ of Labour. For cenwc1. \Vhcn the Legis!ntin~ Council was instance, take the pastoral con1panies and f',;:;tablishcd in Kew Sonth \Yale.<;!, it 'Y ,,s on big pastoralists w.llo have secured extensions tho basis that hYo-thirds of -the 1n.~n1Uers of leases for large areas. They know that hould bo elected bv the people. The r arlia­ a rctum of the L'Ubour Governm;'nt to pmver rr1cnt of ~~('\V South v.. ~alc in lf' .,i ra:. ~d >Yill mean that they must make a stand on the Australian Con'·titution . \et to provide for behalf of the peoy,le, and will be forced to the of :-;P>Y South \Yul ·s a1•d test the validity of concessions gTanted by \an Land. Tl1is ;.l_ct f Jn:;.i~::nted ~t the present Administration. Lc~i 3 lative C)uncil. with a membership of Let us go a step further. The controllers thi~ty-six, twelve to be noLlinat.Icl rrnd bYent0·­ of the City Electric Light Company know four to be elected bv the people of the State. that, in view of the heavy reductions in This me, st1re was 'repealed in 1855, and a \Yagcs. a Labour GoYernn::.errt would be in nominee Chamber ,. as established. The duty bound to secure a reduction of elec­ Queensland Government are considering a tricity charges. proposal under which only fift,cen members ?f There aro other sections who h:t ve a lot the proposed council will be elected, and m re .. pect of those members there is no definite to fe~r from the return of I.~bour at the next election. undoubtedly, as a result of statement as to whether eleetion will be on a. the suspension of various av,ardsJ a con~ full franchise or on a restricted property siderablc concession has been gained by those franchise. I feel certain that the majority interested. of hon. members opposite cannot countenance a propo•:~l which is so retrogressive. \Vhcn returnetl to power, the Labour Go­ vcrn!nellt, acting iu accordance 1Yith their I should like to comment on the dtitude policy of adhcrr>ncc to <-.rbitration, must of the Government to public senants in naturally remoYe the suspen~ion now operat­ connection with utterances concerning ing in c_,nnection >vith the awards to which I political qLwstion .. have referred. It is the vpc:ted interests Jnst recently the Government of this Stote which dcsin the rcc.toro.ti m of the l:ppcr penalif.?d t-;.vo State e!flpl~yees bec~·t~l;-:;c t~e:v I{ouse, and on th~:t :;.:ore \VC join issue with made statements publlcly 111 (.mncctJO~l with the Government and raise this important the Government's policy; hut a pubhc ser­ point: The hon. members who were sitting Yant of this Stat0. in the r"rson of the :in opiJo3ition prior to the la:::.t election~ present Agent-General, Sir Edward 2Y1acart­ ga,·e a promise that the Upper House would ncv. can < 1mn bo.ck to Queensland and, not be rcstor,,_~d \Yithout a referendum. L-.-nder whiht still in the 0mploy of the State. ca.n these circnn1sLtnces. ,v}Jere is the nece::;sity anpenr at the qonstitnlional Club and othe,­ to go back on that promio~ and contemplate :\ationalist bod1es and advocate the restora­ the restoration of the ·cpper House without tion of the LegislatiYc Council. giving the people a. voice in the mdt0r? The PnE:,ImR: He did not C'nmld refer to the leading bers of the Queensland public service were article· .. in the "Tclecrr>tph." The tr .. md of pe,".dised for criticising the Government. those articles. of 1vhich a numb'r have been publish0d, is. that the Government should Mr. BRAXD: Sir Echvard Yra.cartney is rEstore the Lec-islative Council without a Ag-lnt~General. refercndmn of tlw people. That ra1ses tho Mr. BRASSI:\i'GTON: In a sense he is point that the metropolitan press supported an c1nploven of the State. He is paid a hon. members opposite in the definite promise ,a] "rv bv tht; Govc,nmcnt of the State. The which they made that the Legislative Council point I raise is that apparently the~e would not be restored without the consent of is differential treatment in so far a" publw the people. \Vhy have the prc,s somersaulted servants .a.ro concerned. If a 1nan happens on this issue? If thf' press were con".istcnt. to be a supporter of the Labour Party and they >vould urge the Government to do the he exprce'CS rrn O]Jinion in f~vour of ~hat honourable thinc:·--consult the people as to party, he is penahsed; but, If a_ny fne!'d whether or not the Legislative Council should of the Government in the pubhc service be re-established in this State. expres,es an opinion, nothing is done about An1ong the various schen1cs \Yhich haYe it. been considcrcr! bv the Government on this As hon. nl'c'rlbers opposite previou,cly stated matter, one is tha't the proposed Lcgis!atiYe that the Legislative Council would not be Council shall consist of thirty-one men hers, re-established ,,-ithont the people havmg a fifteen to be elected and fifteon to be nomi­ Bay in the matter, I intend to read some of nated. with a president dra"·ing a sdary of the opinions expressed by hon .. mt;mbers £1,500 per annum. o;;r ,,itc in relation to the constitutiOn of :Ylr. BR\XD: The prc's statement \,·as that the Legislative c, ·mcil, principally as to the salary would be £1,000. the svstcm to bG nsed in the appointment or c]pc·tion of members of that council. Mr. i\Ir. BRASSIKGTON: I am not discussing l:.Iorgan, the present Secretary for R.aiht;ay~ the question of the salary that will be paid as reported on pa.ge 1730 of "Hansard 1 to tho president. I am cl iscussing the pro­ for 24th October, 1821, said- posed comtitutio!l of this Lcgislati,·e Council, the members of which. it was stated .. \"ould " \Ve rr:ust all come to the conclusion rec~ive an allowance of £150 DPr annum. If thrrt the nominee Chamber is a nseless the Government re-establish tho LegislatiYe Chamber." iflr. Bra>.~ington.] 14613 Supply. [ASSE:\IBLY.] Supply.

advocate a ccrto.in been Jai 1 down :\lr. Sneaker that ho is the judge-and ngr< ·" ·with that-as to adYoeated ten years IYhether the irrelc'>'tncics in a question shall ar2,·o "-a~· si1nilar to that of 1JC pennitr:'d to r~o inio the text or not; but, "'\ ictorir:.." if there is this by Mr. Speaker over I shonld like to remind the Secretary for the fonn in questions are couched, Railways that he should be consistent; and, it should :J!so in the control of ~Ir. if the Govcrnn1ent are not prepared to SpE: ~·l:ccr to •ec serious l~cplies arc given honour their clcdion promises ard give the to scrio11~· For instance, son1c ti1ne peopk a in ihis rnattcr by ''v·ay of refer- ago I for L.Lbour and endum, next thing the hon. gentle- Industr--:- this man ,hould do to see to it that the '· 1. As GoYernmont claim is that Lcgislatiw Cmmcil is elected by the people h:· s been accon1panicd of q,, ensland. As reported on pa5e 1731 of li\ ing-• uch argn­ of the sarne " Hansard," the hon. gentle­ d on the statement n1an said-- ic v.-age .of £3 14s. " There is no doubt. that the people wage as compar-.::d with Fi\Ye a mandate to abolish the Upper cost of comn1oc~ities' 1-Low-.o as a norninee bod \r and ere a tc an v, hj the price of the elective bodv." " b('lllg 8d. 1 t Augathella, The,. }Jr. Sizm·: the pre.cent Secretary for eff• dive tl e lo< al wae;c for Labour and Industrv, as reported on page of £1 10s. a \Yeek to 1733, sa.id- " families? '· In the n1:1in we aCL0pt the principle attempt at reclncing of the adult franchise in regard to the of bre aoorted b,- the L~ pp er I-Ion8L'.:) of the flom· price?" · The SpEoa'.er, l\Ir. Charles Tayior. The rcp1. I rc<:cived fr >m the Secretary had to c~y as reported on page 1734 fol' La bL nr ~tiHl Industry \Yas a stupid one- of " Hansar,·l " of that year- ·• 1. The price of broad is not fixccl at have indicated that we a.re nrc­ Augathclla, and nppan ntly the rc•sidcnts to accept tho adult franchise· for there arc satisfied that local prices a.re -Cppor :House. In :tnY first election Jcluptcd to loc 'l. conditions. ~pcech in 1918 I. stated from the plat­ "2. :\To. In nu1nr rous cas('~ local form t h.tt I was m favour of the reten­ prices for brc .id have been reviewed by tion of the Upper House." the Price Fixing Con1missjoner, with Then the peesent Tre~surer, the Hon. 'N. satisfactory results to the public." H. Bame~. us reported on page 1738, said- That is not anything like the reply whicl1 ." ThE) National. Party propose, and should have be(~n ,..;iYen to a serions ques'­ >nil bnng. m, legrdatwn to carry out a tion. I do not know whether it is the redurtwn m the number of members in departmental officers who have the answer­ Parliament; the Legislative Assembly ing of these questions to do, and they get a L be reduced to fifty members and the certain amount of cheap applause from the Lcgrc.latrve Council to be reduced to Ministerial head for being funny at the t.h1rty." expense of hon. members. I also asked a . Th~ following is the most important point question of the P1~emior in regard to the m the hon. gentleman's utterance:- caFe of a man named Hoy Ling, who has .. T1Jc adult franchise is to apply been appointed a Justice of the Peace, and, equally to the 'Cpper House as well a to since Labour went out of office, has replaced the Ifonsc of Assernblv." a white man as Government representative Un }lHgf: 1740, the bon. vlYlCITibcr for Eno:-~ on the Tara hospital committee. g-•:ra ::::aid-- The CEAIR::'>L\:\: Order: Th, hon . .. Dnring the elections \H' stated that 11l"Inbrt• (_,,nnot rai thet qL:stion o:.1 this. t~l-rc Lppce House should be an dectcd vote. Jle will haYe an opportunity~ lat-·r on Chatnber on an adult fr~Lnchis"_," o£ raising· it. I f-:h-_11. not -continue reading thc,,e "Xtl'-iC t~, :ur. BED:FOHD: On what vote" but , ml l content myself with saying that, 1f tnc !ncmbprs of the Government v oro The CILURMAN : The vote for the Chief smcere m_ their attitude in connection with Departme-nt. I caunot ullO\V 1h1s CJlH -:'tion sDnlc ye.- r·~. ago, the ..~ v:ill giYc iu ConunittPc on the action the J?Coplc an opportnnity to ha\~~c a ~-av j 11 of :\It·. Speaker. That is rr C[lll"_ion for the rclah~:l to the re-establishment of the Ul1]Wr Honeo ir:•c'lf. Hon::-t ) or: 1 !hey TVIll not sta11d up to ~=r. BEI)FOHD: .. \~I hayc no othrr chance !h~t JlJ'?mt~e~ then. thry can do the LC>:xt be ..... ~ Ll:ng, anrl H

restoration of the to conn11and a in Parliament ; ir n1if2·ht be a grv, s rnic-tako; of the fi'-c-yc.ar exten~,:on of or ~t .._ 1nlght net of the grc.t test ;\Ielbourne ·'Age " had this gc:'' if jt "ere a Labour QoyerlJncnt' the Queensland <1 prolong ltjon-which is, in any to extend the life case, J!l iu1pudent. usurpaticn-it we 1ld be to f! vo years is a. ,·,,r....rning "dupidity " and ",_ln act of craven fear,.; all St ·tes to bo alertly on if a Tory GoYe nrnent, it vTould naturally be attempt by an:: party in " an act of the greatest crmrage ." I do not .:J!1'- State· to use nre~~~nt ll'1,tional difti- kno\Y. nor do thJ Gov0rn.nc ·1t -vet knowy cul~~'-'·: as PXCU)C fOr ensconcing itself in - ·}u-._t they aro going to do. Ol1 the one nfEc~...' for an extcndt?d 1nust Le hand ,, ln·e-year· Par!ia•11cnt might portend r. 'isted. It a movement an 1Jppcr I--Iouse; and in .any Ct',S0 the Dl'O­ dange1·, ~tild one 1naking ,,uch po,al to rr-cs:1bli'h the 'Cpper House is appeal io parties in possesJion bttscd on such foolish arguments as that the sllghLe t. encoura~;-e1nent, Queensland woulYOrst of despotic kings ,;uilty of the grccec,t br< ach of faith n<:Yor attempted to do that'. ith , ~10 people. Unpardonable in auy ("l· u. this bt.•conlf'S unspeakably con- J\lr. G. P. P \Rl'\.JES (Trr ncick) [4.29]: Hon. mcmlwl c·lposlt · hay• been fighting 1Ulptiblo when the sole result' is to reap 1 fm· indiYidnals political parties sub- shadow.s. Time <'nou h for t 1cm to take the '~tantial~ benefits.') field Trbcn sonw pro~louncen1ent is made on qncdion<;;. At p,e,cnt tbey are only I rake the case of the special plcader of th~ Goyerntnent-tho ·Courier )'-,vhich, in try­ \' :0:0 DlUCh brrtrh OYCl' SOD1Cthing- that !>r v nen•r hapjv n. I suppose that really the ing to put the best complexion on this pro­ position, ·which is nothing but an in1n1oral idea in their :11inds is :o ti.ckle the e·u-·, of proposition, said-- thP pt ,-Jpl(~ ea rl;.r. and encourage tl_ '_;'i r pro­ ju.rli( t s Ir~ t nyrh:ng nHt_,- happen that is not .. . \n:· rgument ... would fail unless likely to happen. it led dircctlv to the conclusion that to allo;. the life of I'.arliamont to expire l\Ir. BcoFonn: Ha \'C 70U lle\·er di;;cuss'--d in your party? , \·;ould bring grave .flap~·(- t·o the State." it The general argument with 1ncn1bcr~· over 2\.Ir. G. P. BARNES: Give notice of the there ;, that, if it is allowed to expire, it quutioll. Hon. members opposite have will certainly brirg grJ. \Te danger to the sr .ucel,, referred to the Yote at all. Surely !\-1oore GoYernL1ent. The '' Courier" article the officer .. and others cmmocted with the pHJCC( :eO- librarv. the reporting staff, the refrcshment­ '• It is quite clear that a second !1i'O­ roorrlf!~ etr ., arc \vorthv of some recognition ! longarion ·would brincr th':: v,·hol·' country I wat~t to pay a tr.ibnte to the splendid about its 0ars. '' sc'rYice rendered bv all officers of the House, who a,ssist materi~ll· in providing that ser­ S 1J -- ould a first P'CteL.sion. Parlian10nt ·was Yir,· to mombNs of Parliauent ,,-hich enables f'ict ·cl for thrr'o Y"lrs; after that term them to perform th·Jir duties in a more expire:-:, the• .:"Joorc Party has no 1noro rig-ht I to hold office than any man outside Parlia­ efficient and effedive manne1·. think it is g-eneral!~- considered that the "Hansard" nlcnt' has to lL3urp it. The "Cuurior '' went c:t- ~taff render a ~ignal service and do justice to eYot"l member of Parliament. Often " \Yhat if, haYing prolonged the life of time' I 'am i(mazed at th,o wonderful success P.'lrlian-;.ent. thf- prc::.cnt Go' :rnn1 nt ac,hifcvcd bv them 1Yhen re consider the fear­ Pur,v ,,-ith defeat at tho polls two ful babble· that take; p],ce in this Chamber , ~'a r~ '? A prcce(~.cnt hi eh its at timf's. That the records are made so Y;ctorious su~cc:_sor rnight quick]:;; take faithfullv is ccrtainlv a wondor to evervone. of 1\'onld ha YC been sut. and I cannot irnagine allv service in the build­ present Opposition (asSttming it to be ing so well fitted up as the telephone ,-ictorious successor) might say that 1 exchange. One does not meet with the­ it 1\otdd follo-..v the le·~~d 2·in:n. ' sliahtc·'t clifficultv whatever in connection a rct n~·nition of the contract with th'-' wHh anv scrvic0~ rendered. "·het.her bv an for a thn -yPar Parlia1nent n1ight offic€'r of thd highest or the lowest rani{. ftl2 \"C dang0r to the Stat·~"; but an ::Vlr. I-LixLo,; t If the GoYernment were as of life for a laL r Gm-crnment efficient as the officers of the House, things a gren tor danger! The "Courier ') would be much better. went C' 1l to ay- '· In :;:r 1.1l0 r:ircurnstanco8 prolongation J\Tr. G. P. RAR:'.JES: The present Go­ ~-ni~tht l--- an act of craven fear on the vernment, tog·cther with the officers of the pa;:t of a pttrty for the time being able House, make for perfection in this building. JVIr. G. P. Barnes.] 1J(l8 8upply. (ASSE:'IfBLY.] Supply.

Matters ,,ould be infinitelv worse if the n•ry serions i111l-JOl'tancc to Queensland~ Dpposition were in power. • J', ( ~ blislPnC'nt of tl:e -Cppcr llou~e, I am sure that the order of the parlia­ ho-\ve~.-cr. Js n1'or0 than a :o;harlo,v. b£'cause the men~ary hbrC~ry is pleasing to m·ost of us; l'rr~nicL' ha_, s+· ted dr-fln1tei:- in the nre~s but It is recognised that the book accommo­ frorn time to time that lL b_•lit_ \-os h~ tile ~ution is inadequate for the demand. The pi inciplc. tl bra nan has proved a ' orthy SL'.:CCChOl l\11·. Ci. P. B.ur:..;{~s: So do I. t~ the late Mr. Murray. I inquired from l\lr. BI'~ lJCE: the hon. l}'_L'Llber 113 him . to-day concerning the accommodation rrhcn 1·eqmrcd for books. I do not know whether ',vrong in stating his question is a shadow hon .. m(!mbers realise that adjacent to the if the Prcrnier has his wav, it 1vilf Legislative Council Chamber is a room full fac:~. a.ncl not a shado\Y. ~ \l'i,T e are of books, and that over at the stables-now 1vith ~t shado-,v, but vYith a nunter the garage-there is another room full of cble importance to the people. bo. ks and papers of ono kind and another. =..:::c;_ 1br•rs of tLc Goven:.n1u1t Party frn­ T.hat really led me to inauire as to tho ' ncntly refer to unemployment in Vif.toria. lnnnbt:r of volumes for whi~h there was no \Yhat has produced that positioll in Vic­ accommodation in the establishment and toria:' The Victorian l~ppPr 1-iou~? snp­ I flnd that accoinn1odation is requir~d for port'd a Bill p'e ed by the Le;:islatiYe '"? fewer than 8, 737 books. Piles and piles A"scmbly h~;ving for its object the employ­ of newspapers have been gathering for r-nont of uncln·plo;-rd \Vorke,·s at the ba"'ic many years. Possibly many of them should r:-.to of \VRgcs: b1tt, when ihe . 0s.~ary be burned-I ~1o not ~now; ·however, a great Ewney Bill vcas pa,s""'rl by the Legislative number are still reqmred for many purposes. s- ·Iubl:- to enable this basic 'va.ge to be ,~y·hen un ho:a. n1cm 1;er desires to sP1rch the p<"ruier ha:;; ddi­ liament are exceDent all round; but the hon. member h; ' o·,,erlooked the man with ni!eh· stated that he believes in the re­ establishment of the Legislative Council the hoe. The gardener is oYenYorked. and should be considered by the hon. gentleman does not [',('t .nf'C( ,- LLrv mater-ials to ket)p th~__~ when he charges tl·e Labour Government gardens in 1 he and condition in ti:c ordc~~ with using the Legislative Council to mis­ 'Yhich they should be n1aintained. On leftd the people, because. after all, that is lookjng around, ;,.r1ybody 1vith an an1ateur the only use th,It a Legislative Council has ~ LegislatiYe Council. Ulr. G, P. Barncs. Supply. [21 OCTOBER.] Supply. 1469

The PRE:'vllER (Hon. A. E. Moorc, The PRE::VIIER: I am refuting the argu­ Aubigny) [4.43]: It has been rather amusjng ment of hon. members opposite that the to listen to hon. members oppos1te referrmg Legislative Council is of no value. I con­ to rumours which have appeared in the tend that it is a protection to the community ne,Yspapers, and endeavouring to thrash these against wild and extravagant legislation questions out when they know f~ll well that being huniodly placed on the statute-book. all -orts of matters are ra1sed m all party ::VIr. PEASE: What did the Legislative m0etings, but, because these matters are dis­ Conncil do in Qm · nsland ? cussed, it does not necessarily follow that The PRE::VHER: It helped Queensland they will develop into legislative proposals. enormously. The statements made by hon. members OPJcosito as to the uselessness of an Upper The Loader of the Opposition stated that House are totally incorrect. Jlilr. Lang knows the rate of interest is higher in Queensland perfectlv well that the Legislative Council to-clay than in

Interest Cost to Term. Return to State including Investor. Redemption. ------I ... £ 8 • d. £ 8. d. New South Walr' j6thl\Iar., 1924 i 10 5 4 8 19~5-5 11 2 . (£12,000,000) 'i 1055~5 5 10 Qneen,,:r,r:d ; 24 Apr., 192-1 ' 09 10 0 5i per cent. , 5 years 5 12 4 1929-6 1 10 . (£12,703,7J4) . I New Ze._-.land 8 )fay, 192± 05 0 0 \ 41 per c:ent. 20 year" 19H-5 0 10 i (£10,000,000) New South \Yales i 28 May, 1924 .1001 0 0 : 5 per cent. i 11 to 31 years 5 2 0 193:1-5 4 11 (£10,000,000) ! 1955-5 2 (j, I

Queensland had to pay nearly £1 per c0nt. Lal.·mr Party abolished the Legislative Coun­ more r~-.u1 l'\C'\v Sonth "\Vales and :\few Zea­ cil, we had one loan of £25,000,000 matur­ land had to pay, showing· \Yhat effect tho in•r. an1 it had to be converted at a much abolitio::1 of . the Legislative Council lnd. high0r rate of interest', and Qneensland had K atur ll~· that would be the result. to ~uffe::r. Mr. w. FoRG\X s~IITH: You hav< to take :'dr. \Y. FoRGA~ SmTH: \Ve do not pay ·"lY the n• r:od of the loan. You can quote any high;_r r?,te of jnt<:•rc"t no1v. nun1 bcr of N r\v South \Vales ea _,,s -vvhcre The PHEi\fiER: \Ve have not been able they paid a higher rde of interest. to float any loans; so nobody kno\\ s what The PREMIER: Before the Legislative \\ ~ would have to pay. At the present tihlO Council in QuePnsland was nholishe·d, the the whole interesr in Australia is guaranteed rate of interest Queensland had to pay was h,,~ the Commom1'ealth Government; but for no high·.r th •. n tha.t paid by the other t:ltates. the loan the ho'l. r-cntleman's Government Ge:Jeralb, it was a little lower: lmt, after floated after the abolition of the Legislative th~ COll!-!<'il was r 1:::-olic ht~d, ,~,TC' had to r_Jay c~mnc;l ,we had to pay a higher rate than nearly £1 per cent. more. any of t!lO ether States paid. ~VIr. \Y. Fot\"'AX Sr:.JT1I: \Ye pay a lo1Yer i\Ir. \Y. FoRG

of the people as to w hethcr the . proposal po~alJ kno\\ ing perfectly \V ell that it v J.:'J should be put into operation or not. gomg to be thrown out, if they had 11r. \V. FoRGAN SMITH: Suppose a Legis­ sincere on the qul-·_d ion, they 1.vonld lative Council had held up your financial gone to the countrv an l te,Jcd the ma·, 1neasures? but the~" \YC're not "sincere. The PRE:'\IIER : No L gislative Council I'.Ir. \Y. FoR:::::.L s~nTH: Do would hold up such financial measures, any i.-: proper t·_) use a of more than the Senate held up the Financial to advi;;:e you on n1attcrs? Emergency Bill. The PRE~IIER: I an1 prepare to 11r. MuLL '.N: \Yhat protection is given by anyone '.Yho has sufficient intelligence to an Upper House? advice. l\Ir. "'·". FoB~;\::; sj_~ITH: To use thelll a3 Tho PREMIEH: An Upper House will politiccl ,>gents. give tren1endow' pro~ccti~n1, . and _enable people to see what legis'btwn IS coming on The PRK\1IER: Xot as politic l ~nd have It tl ·llo··ghly d1scm .cJ. T!1e hon. at al]. I ron::icle'-· iho Go;ernrncnt an• rne1nbcr kuows th ·_t ha;·dly us a.grPc lied in gr·lting :dl iLc advicP the:· can v, ith the princir le of a Upper pco11lo \rL > ·l'O d to giYc· ii:. Hous:o. ::H'r. V\r. F0EG.\:'\ J)o;l"t Ylll ::,( the l\~r. HAXLOX: You had the same type of dangc:.' of 1nak-i1 .)r c f ·the m~n in the Up)"'>' House then, and they did sity political not give you any protection. rfhe PRE!\liER: lia did not nn~ fonvarct The 0 HAIR:\1AX: Order! I would draw any po:itical opinion as a poLtic~I ug:.:'nt: but the ,•ttontion of hon. m<·mbcrs to the con­ I 2 .ked hir:n, a::; rna11 \1 ho versPd in tinual jnterie<·tionti ''7 hich ure taking place, constitutional to give• opinion as to the advi of a second cc-:peci~lly \~+1·: n t~c Prmnicr _is . speaJ;.:in&', and ::Ja,- whc·Lhc-r it 'wonld bf' .:-tn nnJ I atn not grnng to IJC 1~ll1lt 1t. 1 a'". to the .:)tat':; and he vYas ju;-;tiA ·d hen. nH'nlbe ... s t-J c_as'e interjecting. a statcn1cnt on ib:- 1nath:r. TL·_,rc i,;; no Tbe Pl--tEivli_l___,H: I have no intention of jr.-tion to his opinion l oing p1 i11t( d in the n1akir:.g any deLni'' statemGnt as to vvhat pu1Jlic l_,~·P.qs or any~vYh:re d<:. lt i;:,' only an the Gm ern'ment intend to do. \Yhen the a.cadmr~jc f'Xpression of ovinion b\T tl llllivcr- G-ovennncnt intend to bring a Bill into this sitJ professor. ho l'ro1n his krlCn\ 1~ of }-j ou,c, '··'C will do so, and take the full the hisiorv of ar:d of lH1 1 1s rcoponsibility for it. I have always thought in diffcre;1t.. of tho vvorLJ. "\-a.~ 1n it o:,sential that there should be a second a pc- ltion to us l.'\~hethe1· an l-Io :-·e Chamber; and l remember when .. Ir. ;,vould be a prot .--ction. Then~ nothing J.IcCorrnack 8pE tking· on thi::; ~-ide o£ v.~ 11ng v,-ith g~"tting rrch ice fror:o snch a ±he Hou e at time the abolitio:. of th· Lc·gidatiYc Council ', under di~c:!:-:.;::;ion I'ro\·.ided '- public that he there should be ,, sort o£ ;--'' it 1' 'l ll re-vising bPcans0 he concidcrc-d it r· g-n!.1tio:1 '.Yas ne there sloould be one. 1 : hink it n., 'e mry bnt the sort of revising Chamber propoc;od that time v. as not ono Tbc -PRE\IIER: 1\ot nt. all, t\Dt n'i going to of nny valne at all, a. nu1n of that :•1as3, tvho is a at Lenusc it ' to he appointE>d by the Go- th" uui versity. i ', tJ cx:Jre, an Yurnn1E'nt happened to be in po1ver. o:)inion exactly in v.,a~- .ns the h10·,' in all parts of the world .Agent.-Gcncr ,l is C~ 1P<~tcnt :) ex1,rc ..;:-: hi3 cpinion. ~ wl.•3n gusts of populer l 'S­ -,nd ]cgi.'ilatiou is put on ihe .:\1r. V.. FoRGIX S}Jl~E · You to bv a Govrr-:u:ner;t ' itlH ut the {'('ll"'lrc P ..._ .::>f 'Ss'or \\Tithc1·bv b ! ltlfe ga Vl· ~ tirnc to cm id er the cffec;: of a lccLn·e on I{arl :\Inrx." ::n irreparable injury. IIon. The PREMIER: It is quite possible, bnt oppo,ite ha Ye only to look :et ,. h

T'REl\I1J'R: .~.-;n. ...:1. Le;~i6lative a. 111 --Hlate for 111 its platforn1. , Lolvf'r I-Io ~;e fron1 do only delay the Lo· er ·when thn .:ubmitted to the .;:ee ·whnt the result then· ~nitely Yoted in favour of the like!' to be. o± th. Lcgi~JatiYe CouHci1, because :Yf' t v rious 'injury- C1ey re:cognisccl it would be an adYnntage 5hall not t,) rccain 't. I frank! admit that it is a if there aro difficult for the l'ar:':c me1joriry of the reversals of policy Y' .Jplc LO what it means in the matter given the people of stability in inYestmcnt, and what it 1neans sr· y.,}u t the posl­ 1 the people in the matt.r of keP:oing it must In .ke for insta- t indrr;trics ~;oing. It is diflicult for them to rcclico that th·. re should b< a ;Joriod of :Jr. Bncc-c V7:fnt did ou ~~y in your dclav before extrenco lep-islation is p"ssecl by 01<_,-.tion sph t'."O y :u~ ago'? 'Gov· rmncnt. Personally, I be lien> that a lative CJnncil is an essential factor The PRE:'.iiEH : I cannot remember all in good govcr1uncnt) irrc:;;pecti,-e of IYhatover i :w t I 1::tid lonp- aG·~o; but it is not a p. rty is in power. question of I ~ J.id then, but a ques- tion of what one thinks after having been 2\Li--. BRcC!c: To defend Yestcd interests. in a rl·spon·-iLle position and eoing thl effects The PREMIEit: No. No one can deny of r0~sible alteration;:. TJnd~r certain cir­ that the Parliaments of Australia are elected 'mmstancc-;, ono 1.·ould be a fool if he did c:1 the most democratic franchise there is not chaP_·e his n2incL in the -,., orld. .:\obody can say that any part ~Jr. BRcCE: Then the puLJlic < ~nnot reh- ou of a Le~·islature is created merelv to defend anv statement 1 l'aclf~ b-y a mer-1bcr during an vc:.,tcd i'nterest:;. · elcvction cn,rnpaign? . ;'.lr. :,luLL \.X: Do you belieYe that you The PPE~\liER.: I think that has been could haYe got along better during the past proYod in the b·-t eiThtecn years. The late two ; cars with a LegislatiYe Council? Governn1cnt '''e11t to the country ti1ne after The f'RElHIER: It might have been a tinlG and 1nado all of prom_ises; a~~d, bit of a nuisance; but I am q1•ite satisfied y,'hcn tho.je pr 1nises all that it would be in the intorcots and ''~' eJ.~.f to · qlv>,tion that ) the advantag~; of Quc?nsland. I am :n1ust 1- , on rncd <~S to ccrhin of that. not only from reports I have what i-- the brYeek aherwarcls for their opinions, and discoYcred that two had not bothered to :\Ir. 8TOPFOHD: 'l'hen why does e:cry Bill orJen the Biil·, and that another had picked introduced by your Government .give 'nde out t"·o parts of the Bill which did not powers the Governor in Council? Eve1·y r,ntter to anybody, and skipped over those GoYerr1n1c-nt introduces takes a parts that did mathr. 8D10Unt of po-..vcr fron1 Parli~tnent -s it in the Governor in Counc1l. :0\lr. STOPFORD: Those arc the men vou propose to make Legislative Councillors." The PRElVIIER: A Legislative Council ~Ir. KIRWAX: They are the men with ight render that unnecessary. It ts abso­ 111 con1n1ercial training and financial experi­ lutelv e"enLal in the interests of the. State, ence. in the interests of Australia, and 111 the intcrc ··ts 0 £ the people a• a whole-rot a The PRK\liER : Although these men did section of the people-that there should J;>c ne;t bother to make themsc!Yes acquainted sonH~ l0gislative rhrf'k. Thi:9 is necc' ;ary tn with the provisions of that Bill, immediately t!Jt inter0• 's o. the pro·.penty and the pro­ it >Yas brought down in this House they gn s of the State, hut merely as a ;hce!c rmhccl in deputation to me, and said that, Afh'r alL goyccntncnt IS a system of~ c ... u:~~ks. if so1ne of jts provisions \Vere passed, they The British Constitution and the Constitu­ ·,•~oul d bo rumed. tions applicOU going to restore the­ office. They introduced a Bill making it e pper Houee, or are you not? ner 2seary that people with oil engines for The PREMIER: I look upon an Upper ordinary pumping purposes &hould engage House as a protection for the State. To· men with certificates to work those engines. ]n·ove that, I have only to refer to w.hat When the Bill was introduced, I took several has happened in other States where the pro­ copies to people in this city who I thought tection afforded by the Legislative Council: (Ho'l'l. A. E. Moore. OcronER.] Supply, 147~

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Mr. KntWAN: You ha.ve ha,d Company established without a say quite candidly that Council. twenty men elected on a non-party PRE1HER : Ever since that company the different industries established it has been ptessing fo: each having his own establishment of the Legislative Council, would do more good than it finds it more and more difficult seventy-two of trs. I do not say that to get the necessary capital to contintw any ill feeling. It is my conscientious developmental work. The Premier knows that the people are tired of the present system. The Go­ Mr. BEDFORD: There is something insolent Party meets and discusses mea­ in people who have not votes in the country the other side argues the matter trying to influence the affa.irs of State. day and night, and how many amendments The PREMIER : There is nothing insolent an: aieeepted? Therefore I am a,gainst in people who have invested £3,000,000, and party politics. However, when the Premier want to jnvest more, endeavouring to that he is going to re-establish stability to enable additional capital to Upper House or institute a five-year secured for th<' development of further it will be time enough to dis- positions. That is only wisdom. qnestions. If the Premier in his policy speech that he Mr. DUNLOP (Rockhampton) recommend a five-year Parlia­ Bdore dealing with the principal quitG candidly that I shall which has brought me to my feet-namely, to believe three years is quite amendment-! desire to make a few any Government to retain on a matter which has been to the people. I believe afternoon. There has should sit talk on the proposed allow the the Legislative Council; its pro- remarked on House unnecessary; people are given want legislation on a referendum a Committee from not be far Legislative Chamber the at

matter. The Premier and his have the re-establishment an Upper and the hon. has stated the Go­ the press Upper House were salaries 1931-4 X JJh. Dun!op.] HH Supply. [ASSE:.VIBL Y.] Supply.

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Tellers: Cooper Maher ResolVf·d in the negative. Mr. W. J:i'ORGAN SMITH (Mackay) : When dealing with the 1924 conversion the Prernier quoted from "Hansa.rd," merely used a figure which he himself used when he in opposition. I quote Auditor-General's matter- recently made conversion of the payment there on new issue of scrip 1st July, 1929, Queensland Go­ in part, at any July, 1926, on

per cent.) per c-ent. "The

Tell hovv to cook a three- prlrnus stove. inter­ the track. me~b-ers' Supply. [21 OcTOBER.] Supply; 1475 some other company, might dictate that ments by bon. members on this side or on Chinese labour should be allowed to work the Opposition side of the House that created the mines, similarly to the action of the that difficulty, hut well-organised mining companies in South Afiica after the ganda through financial papers for Boer war. Surely we have not got to that definite purpose of forcing the Mount Isa state of affairs when are to have our Company into the combine. W"hen it came to domestic affairs by people in Lon- a question of securing additional capital to ,don? The whole is most dangerous bring Mount Isa to a producing stage, the and extraordinary. Government asked to guarantee the The : There is nothing dangerous issue, and we so. about Mr. W. FORGAN SMITH: Was any of the guarantee called up? Mr. W. FORGAN SMITH : The point the Mount Isa Company may be interested in is The PREMIER: No; but the fact that the the attitude of the present Government. We Government gave the guarantee enabled the know that the present Government had to company to secure the necessary capital. ,guarantee one of their debenture issues, Mr. W. FORGAN SMITH: Supposing that because of the propag'anda speeches made by company or any other company preferred hon. members sitting on the Government side. Indian labour, what then? Those hon. members, who were new to office The PREMIER: That does not come' into at the time, and, not realising that they it. As hon. members know, other concessions would be published in London, made the have been granted to different mining syndi­ statement that the Mount Isa railway would cates, but these have not come to fruition not have been constructed but for the fact for two or three reasons. One reason is that certain people were interested in it, given in the report of the Agent-General, In other words, that the whole proposition who states that, owing to the difficult finan­ was not in itself sound. As a result of that cial situation, investing capital is not avail­ propaganda, the Government had to come to able at the present time. I have had it the rescue of that company when it endeav­ put up to me, not by the Mount Isa Com­ oured to raise fresh capital in London, and pany alone, but by all sorts of investors, made a gesture of good faith by guarantee­ that there is a lack of confidence in the ing the debenture issue of the company. legislation of the country. That was tantamount to saying that the Go­ Mr. W. FORGAN SMITH: The representative vernment recognised that the investment was of the Anglo-American Company which such that the people could legitimately put invested in the Mount Isa pro;:>osition first their monev in it. There is no doubt that informed me, as Acting Premier of the day, any difficulty the company had in floating that the company was quite satisfied with its new debenture issue was due to speeches the industrial laws of Queensland, and was made by Government members. prepared to operate under them. The PREMIER : 'fhat is absolutely wrong. The PREMIER : That may be so. Mr. W. FORGAN SMITH: As a matter Mr. HYNES: Are they afraid of democratio of fact, the company went to the Common­ government? wealth Government about it. It is well The PREMIER: No; they are anxious known what took place in London as a result. to get government which is not swayed-­ If the Premier was an investor residing in London, and he was shown a statement Mr. STOPFORD: What are you afraid of? emanating from Government supporters m The PREMIER : The hon. member knows Queensland to the effect that the proposition that there were members of the Labour was a political one and not stable industrially, Party in the Upper House who did not he would be very a verse to investing hi~ approve of every measure that was sent money in it. Doubt was cast on the sound­ up by the Legislative Assembly, and w,ho ness of the company's undertaking by the voted against these measures because on stateme,nts of hon. members opposite.- going into the questions carefully 'thBy recognised that they were not in the best The PRJ

get away from Mr. 1476 Supply. [ASSEMBLY.] Supply.

gentleman talks by these figures. It will be noticed in the to investment. figures I have quoted-- im"'"h'''" as well as types The CHAIRMAN : going careful investor to allow the hon. has trust funds in·~PE:trrt'!lntt of money in Mr. COOPER: reply overseas trustees ought to pro- to the argument' The decent proof of the stability Premier stated been States of the Commonwealth. obliged-- to give a comparative table which the Committee to see where The CHAIRMAN: Order If the hon .. member continues in that I shall ask stood as a field for the invest- him to resume his seat. I definitely ment trust funds in 1915 and in 1930. how the disc11ssion arose, I am not going· The PREMIER : Are they Government bonds? to allow a full discussion rhe loan quos­ Mr. COOPER: Yes. tion or on Mount lsa on vote. are guaranteed by Mr. COOPER: I twtmty-five minutes in which to speak, surely- I can take up· a paltry three minutes of that time on this Mr. COOPER: There is another type of question ! I am merely making a passing investor who looks not so much for stability reference to it. I think I am entitled-- as for the possibility of exploitation. '!-'he greatest check raised upon the exploiter The CHAIRMAN : Order ! I cannot allow is the regulation of hours of labour, condi­ the hon. member to continue. tions of labour, and the fixation of wages. As wages roughly amount to 50 per cent. Mr. COOPER: l intend to discuss it, Mr. of the cost of production, there is a type of Roberts, until you ask me to resume my investor who seeks investments . where he seat. Jf you ask me to resume my seat, I can manipulate wages and make the greatest shall do so; but, qntil you do ask me to profit. resume my seat, I am going to discuss this Tbe PREMIER : Mount Isa has still an question. award The CHAIRMAN : Order ! I a;k the hon. member to resume his seat. Mr. COOPER : I am not questioning Mount Isa. As a matter of fact, Mr. Mr. CooPER: Absolutely scandalous. Urquhart stated on more than one ocea- The CHAIRMAN : Order ! I understand SIOll-- the hon. membeJ: to refer to my action as The CHAIRMAN : Order ! I am inclined " scandalous." I ask the hon. member to to think this debate is developing too widely. withdraw the word. I have allowed the Premier to refer to the Mr. COOPER : Which word '? Mount Isa Company, and have permitted a certain amount of latitude to the Leader The CHAIRMAN: The word " scandal- of the Opposition in reply, but I do not ous.'' intend to allow any general debate on the Mr. CoOPER : I used two words. I said. question of the Mount Isa Company or on "absolutely scandalous." I withdraw the· any questions relating to mining or indus­ two. trial labour conditions. The CHAIRMAN: Order l ask the hon. gd back to the member to withdraw the I asked him Jo speak on. I to withdraw. Commonwealth Mr. CoOPER: I withdraw the word " scan­ 764, gives the ".dalous." by the various at the end of Mr. STOPFORD (Mount M organ) [5.48]: Party came The Premier made out a very bad case as. average rate to why he broke the definite promises hEl' States was- made to the people before the last election. He then promised the people that, if the £ 8. d. Labour Government were removed from 3 16 2 power, the stability and prosperity that then 3 15 2 existed-not in regard t'o the few people he 3 14 0 represented-would be intensified, and all 3 14 0 the difficulties that followed in the train of 3 12 7 the then Government would disappear-not 3 12 5 as a result of the restoration of a second Chamber, but of a change of Government. In answer to questions as to his intention to restore in some manner a Chamber that was abolished the hon. gentle- man has reason for the restoration the fact that,. in spite of many promises, since the Government assumed control oi the Treasury benches this hidden capital-this timid capi­ hon. tal-that was so afraid of the Labour Govern- before ment and which was march across the· border, has not been to march. Mr. COOPER: I am pointing out that the I wonder who has coHectly reported the argument of the Premier that the reason r·osition to-day-th.:~ Pren1ier or the Trea­ for the establishment of a Legislative Coun­ surer? In the Fin~ncial Statement the Trea­ cil in Queensland is the lack of st·ability is s'urer told us that capital is leaving New not a good argument; and I am proving it South vVales, where there is an Upper House, f.Mr. Cooper. Supply. [21 OCTOBER.] H77

system, a very often pass proper debate, an Government's inten­ before we are a<>ked and Legislative Esti­ has been two and a-half years in and in a few months sha.ll go into recess; and, if his own partv made up their minds, we should knm';, be a and not be asked in the closing hours of would it session to deal in ha.sty with thn t there very a mcst important of Con- the affairs of this c'hambc·;· stitution, which hon. men1ber3 arol in his opinion, corrl­ is specially designed to prcvOJ:t chcck on the elected lation. people. He told us took a Bill of great imporbnco opposite made them, some had not opened promieos to the wme had said it was all right; House is to be and some picked on one or two unessential evidence that of the Bill to condemn it. If it is on the Government are afraid to face the tri­ of that kind that we are asked to lmnnl that should try thorn, and the same res'tore a check on the will of the direct tribunal that sont ns into opposition. representatives of the people, then I say I believe that we have exploded the Pre­ ·that the hon. gentleman has made out a bad mier's contention that a second Chamber ·()a se. is necessary to restore prosperity and to The only new capital that I have been attract new capital. It has been stated able to find has been invested in Queens­ by the Premier, the Treasurer, Cabinet land . for a nuruber of vears is in "\V hat. la Ministers, members of the Government, and ·knovvn as the Mount lSa Co211pany, tvhich the press that Queensland is the -most pros­ was brought in long before there 1.vas any perous State in Australia to-day. If that -thought of thr; re~torat;on of the be the position after fourteen years of House. I am not going to Labour rule, the greater part of the time of argument that the Chairmnn ru:ed .against; hut if the Treasurer is then under the unicameral system, and after two years of control by the present Government <,VC have occupied our time in efl'ect to extraordinary .concessions nlvth1cal under a similar system, then why is Queens­ -<'ompanies that really existed. ()pposi- land the most prosperous State in Aus­ tion members stated on several ocw- tralia? If the Premier's contention is cor­ sion& when the for Mines has beccn rect, then we should expect to find Queens­ fathering involving the ex- land the worst State in Australia. Queens­ penditU1'e in this State land is the only State with a unicameral that not of capital was system of If the Premier's available for developmental purposes, but contention correct, then the States of that those mythical companies were merelv New South Wales, Victoria, and South Aus­ being given concessions to hawk .about. Vie tralia, controlled by Labour Governments haYe to-day an adn1is~ion from the Premier with Mr. Lang, Mr. Hogan, and Mr. Hill that they have been unable in any one · charge, should abun- in~tanco to give effect the objects thev for the benefit of they_ had in view. unfortunate pa1:t ~aid a bicameral system ; IS that, 1f we giYe avvay a concession for n advanced by the Premier, xn~mber of months or years, we lock up cer­ tam resources of the State. How could an be in a sound financial position. Upper House, established to operate as a one hand, we are told that the bi- check on hasty legislation, prevent-not the cameral system is to provide finan- giving of the option-but the investment cial stability; oh hand, we are of fnndg elsewhere rather than in taking told the same people and by the press up the ? If it is a· good proposition, the~t wit,h its unicameral system, then it be readily exercised by people 1s rnost solvent and the n1ost m·osne,rous who are prepared to invest in the State. State in the Commonwealth, Jlt. H78 Supply. [ASSEMBLY.] Supply.

Queensland be the first State to turn bring capital to the State has been dis­ the corner prosperity. proved, because Queensland could not bfr :Mr. G. P. BARNES : Due to primary pro- the most solvent and prosperous of States in duction. the country if the . bicameral system is a means to prosperity, because Queensland Mr. STOPFORD: Would a second Cham­ stands alone in the whole group of Aus­ ber increase primary production? Would tralian States as having adopted the uni­ it increase the price of wool? Would it cameral system. rehabilitate the mining industry? Would it stabilise one industry? If a second Cham­ The Premier, in that personal statement ber has a stabilising effect, then why has which he ma_de before the last election, said Great Britain, with its second Chamber­ that inst-ituting a Legislative Council the House of Lords-departed from the he submit the proposal to the people. gold standard? If a second Chamber can Tha,t was a, definite pronouncement by him perform all those acts of magic ascribed to as leader of his party. it by the Government, then why are the I would draw attention to the famous second Chambers not doing these things in memorial that was sent to Sir Matthew those countries of the world where they Nathan, the then Governor of Queensland, exist? Whv is it that in the Commonwealth before the Bill abolishing the Legislative of AustraGa, whose financial ,position is Council was given assent to. It was signed worse than that of the individual States, by Sir Robert PhiJp, Mr. P. J. Leahy, Mr. the Senate has not given that sense of Brentnall, and others asking that the Royal security which is so desired to bring about assent be deferred L].ntil a referendum of the the prosperity foreshadowed by the Pre­ people had been sought, These gentlemen mier? That hen. gentleman cannot have also asked that the question of the legality the argument both vmys. He must accept of the. Government's action be submitted to the logic one way or the other. the Privy CounciL In no way did those The only logical argument that can be gentlemen seek to thwart the will of the adduced for the existence of an Upper House people. No matter what the Government is that it would be a check on. hasty legis­ may argue concerning the majority of over lation. I can recall what a wonderful cham­ 62,000 votes which were recorded against the ber of review our old Legislative Council abolition of the Upper House, the fact was. ·when the ~~ erkers' Compensation Bill, remains that the Labour Government were· giving a monopoly of the workers' compen­ returned on three occasions after that refer­ sation business, was passed through this endum. Further, the Labour Government Chamber, it forwarded to the Upper had always in the forefront of their plat­ House, where supporters of the present form the abolition of the Legislative Council. Government were advised by Mr. Walsh, one Although the present Government may argue of our leading solicitors, as well as by a that they have been forced through economic number of barristers, who were sitting in circumstances t<;> break definite promises the lobby of that Ghamber all the time the which they gave to the people at the last Bill was before the Council. Quite a number elections, there is one promise which they of members of the Upper House sitting in are in no way forced to break-namely, that, opposition to the then Government left their before they re-establish the Legislative Coun­ seats while the Bill was under discussion cil, they will appeal to the same tribuna! and conferred with those gentlemen. The that elected them to be the Government of amendments moved by the Opposition were the country. If hen. members opposite drafted by those legal gentlemen in the lobbv, believe that an Upper House is necessary to brought into the C.hamber, and, being moved secure the capital which the Government said as amendments to the Bill. were passed would be available as soon as they were by their brutal majority. The Opposition returned to office, then they should submit to had an abROlute majority in the Upper Cham­ the people the question whether the people ber. They had the advice of all the leading desire to assist them in re-establishing an legal fraternity of this State to enable Upper House. The Premier referred to cer­ them so to mutilate the Bill that the State tain mining companies, which I cannot men­ monopoly with respect to workers' compensa­ tion now without finding myself in conflict tion business would not be permitted. What with the Chair; but any intelligent observer was the result? An ordinary layman, Mr. of affairs knows that the only force behind John Fihelly, was in charge of the Bill in the request for the restoration of the Legis­ this Chamber, and, when it returned with lative Council is the force exerted. by the all the amendments from the Unper House, large TCiry newspapers of this State. Mr. Fihelly, to the amusement of everybody, moved that the amendments inserted by the Mr. HANLON (lthaca) [7.12]: The speech Council be accepted. He had quickly dis­ made by the Premier on this vote is most cerned that the Legislative Council, in their unsatisfactory, not only to hon, members on review of the Bill, .assisted by the legal this side of the Chamber, but to the public fraternity, and their desire to ·destroy the of Queensland. To-day the people of Queens­ monopoly in workers' compensation had land a re very much concerned about the pos­ omitted one clause which still retained 'to the sible fate of this Parliament, the possibility Government that monopoly. The amend­ of an alteration of its Constitution, and the ments were agreed to by the Legislative possibility of the prolongation of the life of Assembly, and the Bill, as amended bv the the present Parliament. Wfl had hoped that, Council, was returned to that body a second when the Premier spoke this afternoon, he time. To-day we have a State Insurance would give the people of Queensland some Office which is the envy of the whole of definite information as to the policy of the Australia, It is something that the present Government. We know-and I think no one Government, who are opposed bitterly to knows better than the Premier himself-how State enterprises, have not deemed it advis­ deeply the people resented the proposition able to interfere with. Therefore, the value which was made last year to prolong the life of the second Chamber as a House of review of Parliament for· an A.dditional two years has never been proved. The value of t,his by legislative enactment. The outcry was so Chamber as an instrument which would unmistakable that the Ga\'emment dropped [Mr. Stop ford. ------

Supply. [21 OocroBER.] Supply. 1479

The: 111 the pr0ss F.

The Pm~:\l!ER: I do not.

You are on a fishing C'\jiecli- tion. HANLO::\f: The are on a fishing got a bite. totally dif­ The PREMIER: They did not get a bite am that the the City Hall. Bill was not thoroughly hon. members who had understood what would be, they would of the amend­ measure. That Premier; however, in to the people. The their obj ootion to the House at numerous elections. On two occasions since the Upper House was abolished the Premier went to the country Mr. Hanlon.] Supply. Supply.

[Mr. Hanlon. [;;I OCTOBER.] Supply. 1481

of The CHAIRMAN : Order ! did it immediately

The CHAIRMAN : Order : 1!82 Supply. [ASSE11IBLY.] Supply.

member for- says, do not cook on a gas jet. :\1r. DUl\LOP: Yoq are uncookable.

The CHAIRMAN: Order 1

The CHAIRMA:t';: Ord0r !

CHAIRMAN : Order ! DuKLOP: This is disgraceful. The CHAIRi\IIAN: Order! Mr. HYNES: What I said is correct. ~L'=""""u·""' : Order! I appeal to Townsville to continue w1nRthin like parliamentary

Mr. Roherts--

('Yer BEDFORD: Blackfellows don't cook came to the on a gas jet. Premier the history Hynes. Supply. [21 Supply. 1483

io be travelling at country. don't want to bother

The CHAIRMAN : Order !

are a buffoon. The hon. member is just

wm the hon,

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be

AYES, :\Jr. Dunlop \Vicnholt NOES, 54. ;'/(r.

P. ],1'rs. Longman H. l\ir. lVlacgroarty :Jiaxwell Moo re Morgan 1\fullan Nimmo O'Keefe Peaee Peterson Plunkctt Pollock Sizer Smith Stopford Tedman Tozer Walker, H. F. Warren Wellington Wilson Winstanley

Resolved in the negative. Iten1 (Legis]atlve Assembly) agreed to~ lion. A. E. "~foore.] 118 Supply. [ASSEJVIBLY.] Suppiy.

men1bers? 1Ioxo-oR1iELE IviE:_I-fBEBS: Ht

The ATTOR:<:EY-GE:-;F.RAL: He did good work. Mr. he did very nnfn,,·tnm e ment. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: Qh, no' Mr. MULLAN: As the Government did their worst up this matter. Mr. KENNY: Even you don't think that.

I have given an idea

wvage.

[Hon. ~4. E. flloore. Supply. [21 OCTOBER.) Supply. 1485

" Sunday Pictorial

oF GoLD LANDS

ENGINEER SEOl:RES RECORD COXCl~SSI0:0;. Search Romance. Dorado'

That is so. The facts Hoy Ling was appointed "'"~dministration, he on the recommendation the Railways. " From the QuoenBland Government The SECRETARY FOR RAILWAYS: That is not Mr. Macdonald has received a conces­ ~o. He was only nominated by me. sion of 10 square miles of territory enclosing discoveries which rank high BEDFORD: Very well, nominated in the mining industry. He is the first by hon. gentlem'an. man in the annals of Commonwealth The facts reg11rding Hay Ling are that mining to be awarded, as an individual, he \V aB agsociated \\ ith a Cnc;toms official in ~uch a concesBion~ Melbourne, he then being Chinese interpre­ h,r, in the acceptance of bribes for the pur­ "URGE TO PROSPECT. pose of introducing prohibited Chinese im­ " To a reporter yesterday Mr. Mac­ migrants to the Commonwealth. The others donald declared that his old mining got six months' irnprisonment, but Hoy instinct stirred within him again some Ling, I am informed, got off as he had six months ago, when statesmen, bankers,

That is a lie:

In p1a1n English, they cannot get the monC'y-- iGtcrs in tho nHttter. " that the tjme far substan- tial rewlts may follow the efforts of the past yenr.n I

Government to prospectus of Renown Rubber he should '~ Son1e ore at least have looked out son1e such thing ;::pecimens ha~ Mr. Bedford.] !486 S~tpply. [ASSEMBLY.] Supply.

tion in a paper like the "Financial News,'' of London-

No date. They used the figures of forty years ago-- " 'The Under Secretary reported·-' At the Percy ing of 2,100 ounces of pieces of stone--600 having yielded 330 a claim 150 feet doubt, the "QuEENSLAND GovERNMENT GoLD AND Mr:>ERAL CONCESSION IN FAVOUR OF THE COMMONWEALTH MINES PRELIMINARY SYNDICATE, LIMITED, LEASES, APPROXIMATELY 109 SQUARE MILES. PARTICULARS OF THE CONCESSIONS. " The Queensland Government, alive to the fact that insufficient areas of ground, exacting labour aondi tio;ns,, restrictive mining regulations, and the consequent withholding of capital, had prematurely say- stopped mining enterprise in Queensland, expedition by the and further recognising the vital neces­ now arrived at sity for increased gold production, made to locate the what may be aptly termed a British came the fugitive Empire gesture in granting to an English quartz discovered in the syndicate-on generous terms-definite ' claim. This expedition is protective and prospecting rights over leadership of Mr. Berry, who an area of 70,0()0 acres in the goldfield was recently att·ached to the Queensland districts indicated, for ten years; with Government service as chief diamond­ -exemption from labour and rental cove­ drill borer. nants o£ the Mining Act." read all this to show that these are now being used for the very purpose we said they would be used-for the purpose, not of mining in Queensland, but of mining in the pockets of some rich British investors, if there are some people sufficiently foolish to be taken in by this. The advertisement continues- an instance, the Government land 10s. per acre (70, 000 acres) Then it goes on to say- payment of £35,000 a year; " Up to the end of 1928 the official been waived together with returns were- reJrmos1on of labour covenant . valued at over £8,000,000 ster­ already been taken under adverse of, production from the ceded £148,583,143 ,, Supply, [21 OCTOBER.] 1487

a chal'tered corupany \vithout having son1e~ ,, nPn I ace: em th n an Arc0nt-Gcneral be­ Lody rca·dy to pro1upt it-th• u-..use follcns­ (' us0 I think he acts generally as an ~gent ing the effect. The ''Courier 'J is all l~~ady on behalf of QuLenslanJ, and is doing a grout to giYe the propo~it 'on its blessing. 'tatiL.~- deal 111 OlE rntere,ts. 1 .an1 sure that his " In the early days of Australian settk­ ~ii~le is ,full~- occup-ied iu giYing valuable lncnt, espcciall:v~ i1 ~ cw Soui h \~/ales and 1nfonnahon to )ll::i ' ho lPJOll hirn Tafnlania, p-d' ,:::le corr1panics played u and I think the is' th~ beHecfit' very valuable pu_rt." 1Io {~ouJd assist us ~;T2atlv .-.··cttipo· i-nt~ That i, not true--:lwy Jid not play a valu­ touch \vith our Din·c:to_r 0£ ·- LinEr anJ. able par+. The Auci t :J have all tho neces­ ~11attr:>r~ in Cc engag·e sary equipmellt, propo~ed in that report for In bus~ness In ..l:i.llg1and. IL lus l'C]JO"t lw this chctrtcred compan~ for the North, which s&ys wrth regard to the stl0,[H indust rv- ha•· Jleo to run its 0" n police forn and local T :'J n , vie.v ,of t!w declared policy of iiluthority, consider:'d that it· had the sole H1s }La]e:,t s Govcrnnlcnt 111 l-;reat rights to rnonopol=~ of 1nining coal in New Britain, it was anticipated in sonlt~ quar­ South \Yales, ,md it took something lib> ter.) that in _the I1nperial l3nd __,;Pt of thirty yrJ.rs uf litigation to pro ;o that it ha:l 1930 some actwn '" ould be taken \;hi eH not. I, is an extraordinary thing that the woul_d hM'e the efl'cet of reducing or climate of Australia is no better for private ehmmatmg· the tn·eft rential duties mining company development than it is for granted to Empire sugar-producers.'' private raib.ay companies. 'l'he Van Die­ The abolition of those duties woulJ ha Ye been men's Land CJmpa~>y. th<:> Australian Agri­ ruust ~crious, but fortunately the Labour (;-o­ cultural Company. the M;dland Railway ' crnment at home decided to defor doirw Company oi vVestu·n .\ustralia, anJ the Emu anything for twelve monthc. Sir Edward Bay Company of Taunania all roa li eel that. says. iH his· 1'8port that, in accordanc, with I trust that in this case thf• visit of the I he mstructwns of the Chief Secretarv and Agent~General is not in any way connected the w1shes of tlw Queensland Suo·ar .Board with the proponl that a chartered company he and hi~ oflieiaJ S>__·vre~ary, IV1r_ }~. 1-I. Pike: should be formed to take over a ver:y valu­ acc:o!.npanred a deputatJon tf1 tho Chancellqr able area in Queensland. ~f the Exchequm·, when Jl.lr. Avery. the late The PRDIIER: "'e kne•·• nothing about it. Secretary of State for th.:: Don1inions. pru­ Mr. BEDFORD: I accept that statement. .:'lf'nted t~e c_ase for retaining the prof•:.r• enco for .En1p1re-_grown sugar, \.vhich h0-s b2en The Agent-General •hould be asked why greater care is not taken in order to preycnt t h~ Jn_eans of the producer.:, horo receiving the name of Queensland being used as it has betw<"H £700.LJO and £800,C'O more forth 'll' been, both by l\1acdonald and this Common­ s~gar than othur\vis·e they \vould have got. \\ e lJa •·o been forced to export about 40 per wc~lth Preliminary Mines Syndicate. 'l'he cent. of our ~ugar, and, if t~1e lr.i pcrial Uo­ statement-a stat. me'lt made in the worst wild-cat terms-that 2,100 ounces of gold ' ernrncnt to?k frorn us the prefet:_.n~ial tariff we no.,, Cll]Oy-l think about £4 7s. per coming out of a small claim-·and which they ton-lt would be almost impossible for us state is the sensation of ths v~·u-without to export ~ygar. V\'e should be ·r,,teful to any year being gi vc 1-it might have hap­ 15 the 'i.g:Ent-Uoneral for the keen interest he pened the year before last or last year. tak<'s m I he mdustry. This is a case in which the Agent-General in London c·1uld be of real service to the Mr. KrRWAx: Didn't Mr. Pritcbard go State. I tru,t that the Premier will see that home about that? something is done to prevent these wild Mr. CLAYTON: I think ho died before statements being made, v hich can only detract from the general value of Queensland the nego~1atwns took place. In regard to canned pmeapples, the report says- as an arc-t of serious and solid industry. " It is satisfactory to note that Queens­ Mr. CLAYTO:'\ (!.-ill•· lJ •y) [8.25j: I would land canner] pineapples are once more on 1ikc to Ltk~~ tJ1u oprJOrtunity of f:,, ,7 ing a fc1: the . London market, but it is doubtful '· orcl~ in coLne-·tiu 1 \Yith thl~ V( , ;.nd to whether the piesent prices fm this com­ 1_·. fer to the A~~- I:t-GcllL'ral. PollovYiu~ thP modity will prove remunerative to the hon. rnen1ber fo/ \"\.,._.,rrC'g·), I .nl 8urc t\e producers.'' ...1\f!._!nt-l;cn ''·al ·will do r vcry~.hing- pos:o'iblc to There is a great outlet over there for our i.2fute an: statem£~nt t~tat 1nay do an injury canned pineapples. \Ve have au enormous to this Stat...:. Sir l£c~wa,rd lvlv'al'LlCV ha:; been a tren:IC'ldous a--.-et to Que~asland, aHd area in Queensland under this crop. If an export trade of that kind is not developed, ''"e are to be con.'~Tatulated on }nving such a rqHc.-r-nt.atiYc nt honH', ·.·ith the a-ssistance the pos1bon of the growers will be very of }lr. Pike. ] do ot with rho:~o •·enous mdecd. JI.Ir. Ranger recently visited 1vho r:ontcnil thal- '' c- do ·with·)ut the Canada, a11d was succes:;;ful in r;;e~uring orders Ar nt·C<•leralship in and that Aus· for Queensland ctnnod pineapples. At the tralia could \\·ork. It present tune '"'e have about 100 000 cases 1.::; c that v.·c our own of canned pineapples in oxce.-:s 'of home Agent-General, boc~Lll:-· 1n·i1nary- require_mcnt", and we should fester an export prodnf'ing trade m the. mtercst.s of the primary pro· ;nnount of ducers. It 1s pleaslllg to know that the by haYing a rnan ~ cpre:::;etrting ns Trca;,urcr has made arraugen1ents \.vith the such ::.n intimate knmdedge of the Stat@, and Commonwealth Bank to the extent of who is also a good business man. Sir Edward £10,0CO to assist pineapple gl'Owcrs to market was a member of this ..o\'·.omblv for manv the1r product. I regret to say that the years, and has intimate knowledge of 01ir ~an •na mdustry has failed to some cxt•.'nt mining laws and our land tenures. He has 111 my_ electorate, and that the people in the imparted valuable information to intending Gymp1c d1 h·rct haYe boon compelled to turn inve"tors, and men who have approached thGn attenhon to the cultivation of pine­ him with a view to taking up land here. ~ppl~s. It IS necessary that an export trade He could, perhaps, be better termed a 111 pmeapplcr should be established; and the Jlir. Clayton.] 1488 Supp!y. [ASSEl\IBL Y.] SupplJ.

Agf:~~t-Goncral should use every endeavour of t_us tirub0J: po::-:sible to rn-ocure orders overseas in tho has' not been used

inLe1·csts of this irnp::n~tant industry. ro C) ny so1nc tin1e. Negotiation& In d1 a ling with the timber industry the conciuctN] by tlv Agcrr:_-Genoral on bchal± ,Agent-General states- of t '1c Fore~ try Dcpartrnent uro gradually lea Jing to the r:dnbli- ~nncnt of a trado " ln my last report I dealt with the in Lontlo:n \\-hich vvill do an enorn1ous n.n1onnt ;;c-cts of establishing a regular n1arket of good to '-hi Qucen•·land turpentine -for C~uC!.nsland timbers, and in th • tirnLwr has not used to a gr~>at e""';ten~ year there has been an increased in this Sta, e up to thn prrscnt. The :Forestry a11d interest sho"·n in regard to Department has adopted a method of treat­ products. A comiderable ing this tin1bpr \Yhich makes it n1ore suit~ ·urc of ascistance has been afforded able fu1.· the n1arkct than 'vas the case this ofH"c to those who are endcasour­ in the p "'t. This method of treatment to sell the tirnbcrs on this market, Jn·eycnt the tir11ber from shrinking. If a its influence has been judiciously 22~inch plruJ~._ is rut from a turpentine log, ex:Lrtcd in cvcrv direction v.,-h-rre the it ~s often found, after having been kiln~ claims of our timbers could be suitably dried, to be reduced by something like 1 adYanccd." inch. The treatment to which this timber is being subjected by Mr. Swain (chairman \Ye now haYc a wonderful opportunity to of Provisional Forestry Board) and his offi­ deYclop an export trade with England in cials' has Rrrcsted this R:n·inkagc, and will telegraph polcJ. piles for wharf construc­ make it a splendid buil"!ing timber. The­ tion, and similar mate1·ial. The Agent­ f1oor of the ne\v forestrv sho;,vrooms in Georgo GeileraJ fuTther say~- street is laid with this' timber. and I believe­ " It is jntcr."sting to record that after that it wi!J be used extensively in the new some protracted negotiations, in which State In~u1·ance Building. this office was closely concerned, the The TK11PORAR Y CHAIRMAN : Orcicr r British pc-tal authorities have been per­ J "'"''ould ask the hon. n1C'1nbcr to ('Jr:.finc· suaded to gin• a trial to ironbark tele­ his l't.>lnark'3 to tho report of the Agent­ graph poles. A trial consignment of one GeneraL nnd noi__ tlT·nch on the funetiOE'' hundred of these poles is about to be of other clt~partinent~. landed in London. This, I believe, will be the first. shipment ~f Queensland poles :\lr. Ciu-\YTOX: I an1 cndcJ..vouring to, to enter th1s country. >how that th-e Agcnt-Gcneul i taking tcp; to ~cc.:nrc orders for th'-'32 t}Inbcrs. I ul-.o 1t is gratifying to kno_w that. the Agent­ dc~1rc to conve · the information that the>n General has interested h1mself m the estab­ arc cxcellc:It t.i!nb~"T~, and \ve shuuld en­ lishment of an export trade of thi& kind. f·o:.-trngc the ilgc·nt-Gcnf'raJ to find a n1arket Vve hvve a superabundance of ironbark poles, fo1· tJ1c·m. T,.c Tirjtish Government nc·e { and we should end ea vonr as far as possible ~ier-1 --rs for t 1 ~eir raih7ays; and I bcli- v~· to develop a trade in this timber. If we can tlJat in th0 n (1r future v.re shall s·-u~r ~ do so, the State will be materially assisted. ir. Y < I have son1e flgur·: t l--.-r,,!1&;"an, all raih\·ay fn-.i .ht on slo'Cfl!H''. s~:o· matured tln:lwr i1:tc1Hlf'd frT 0\~er--,eas co:1trart'3 could b ~ gro On Fra'0r Islaed PliminatocL I trust the Agent-General Yill "" l.~ve d fc•ct of tallm:- giYe e~,-cr\~ cor-:idcration to tho fo;;:ttnrtn1cnt. Tt

1h0 nx, l'(j r._) rafl':;;; of i11ten'::t id ~)\T the nuious Sfates at the end of J unc,, 1922, were- £ s. d. Ta mania 4 15 3 So:_lth Australia 4 14 2 4 13 3 \Ya](, 4 12 2 mo't 4 6 6 a tL-~..sc \\T cst:_n _.:\_u tr:1lia 4 6 0 1 ine \-rhich v. ould sho,,· that the credit of the man to drv.1.rt h·o1n c imp1·on'd that Queensland was tutba.Jll . I Ill 110t SC'COncl lJUSition aS l'F _{ards the rate to the pl'<''ent nald, being next to Tas1nania, Ar·ent-C' c" ·' in lS15 it ,,-a.s in the worst position. d1c -...vc;r~...:: 1\lr. BLACKLEC: VY!,at did :you pay for ~\grnt~--Gencral \;·dl clone. Tho ruain job of lo :1 llJOll(·y fron1 A1nc-rica? lLfLl ls to keep th~: ntHrH.~ of the :\Ir. COOPER: I am taking all the loan H, n1nst ·do eycrything t~:at it ]~ mo,;~:,· of t~JG State, and that inclndes the for hirn to do to SL'C that the State in lt'J loan HlOnPy obtained in America. wny traduced, that ii. good name is kq;• up. and that the truth about the State Is The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order ! made known to thG people who count. It I think the ho11. member is going a little is apparent also that. people seeking for too much into detail. invc tments would naturally seek m£orma­ ::\lr. COOPER: These figures are not tion as to the position of the State fr?m touched by the Treasurer in any way what­ the Agent-General on the spot. I thmk eYer. Thev do not come under the Trea­ we have the best indication of the way in surer's esti'mates, but they are connected which the work of the Agent-General has "·ith the Agent-General in his conduct of been done by the manner in which matters the affairs of this State in London. I affecting Qt;censland's most vital question pay him a compliment for having improved -Queertsland's public debt overseas-have the position. which shows his close attention been handled. The interests of the State to dutv. We must also take into considera­ could not be allowed (o flag, nor could the t-ion that the officers of the Agent-General good nam·e of the State be allowed to be haYe a big part to play. Probably the lraduce·1, without the effects being reflected permanent of!icials are more in touch with in our financial position overseas. People the financial position than the Agent-General who invest money in loans. issued by this himself. Naturally, when speaking of the State naturally make inqurries as to the Ag,ent-General, I include those ':'fficient stability of the State, its prospects, and oflicers of his who do the work so particularly resources. There is no place in England well. It shows that interest in Queensland where that information is l;etter obtain­ is growing, and that the work in the office able than from the office of the Agent· of the Agent-General has not gone to the General. One ca.n gather from the figures bad in any way whatever. which have been supplied to us for a period of fifteen or sixteen years as to the work I shall quoto figures to round off my argu· which has been done by the Agents-General ment. to ,.. how the ayerage rate of mterest in thi3 regard. paid by the ,-ar·ious States in June, 1929, to indicate the general progress made m the Taking as my guide the " Official Year advnnrenH!nt of -tffairs in Queensland, and Book," No. 9, the average interest rates as evidence that the officers have kept up to paid by the various States at the end cf th0ir work and kept Queensland to the front. June, 1915, were- They have impressed the financial instit~­ £ s. d. tions with the fact that Queensland securi­ Queensland 3 16 2 ties are sotL··cl, and that Queensland stands i,I a very good position; and that there may Tasmania 3 15 2 be a great amol[nt of confidence imposed in South Australia 3 14 0 Ouc·cnsLnd because of the general att;tude :.lew South Wales 3 14 0 o£ t 1 e State in regard to these mattct'3. The ·western Australia 3 12 7 for 1929, as set out in the " Ollicia.l ·victoria 3 12 5 ._r Book," are- £ s. d. It will be seen from that table that Queens· Sou:-h L\u·3tralia 5 0 11 land paid the higlLJst average interest of New South \Vales 5 0 1 any State in the Commonwealth. That being '\~ic 1 oria 4 19 0 cc, it stands to reason that Queensland's \:V estol'n ~1\.ustralia 4 16 7 ~ccurities were regarded as not so good as Tas.;:ilania 4 16 2 the ,.?curitics of the other States, tho best Qnccusland 4 16 2 securities being generally indicated by the Tho ,c figures show a :~bwnd _ dyance in Lte o£ interest. Securities in which there Qut _;->_siund. js son-::o risk have to pay higher rates of interest. vYe know that in connection with The TE)IPORARY CHATRMAX: Order! private concerns. They have to pay 8 per The hon. merr1boe knows that he is out of cent., 9 per cent., or 10 per cent. if the or.der in rhe remarks he i.:-: no\v n1aking. security is not good; but, if you give a Mr. COOPER: I am •peaking of the hank or a financial institution a first-class Ag-ent-General's office, Mr. Fry, ancl, if you security you can get money at 6 per cent., ca'il show !118 any C'thBr 1 ote under V'hich 5~ per cent., or even 5 per cent. Let us tbis mettcr C'll be di,·.c,.ssed, I shall be look at the position a few years later. delighted to postpone my 1cmarks until tha·t According to the "Year Book," No. 16, vote is reached. llut r have searched the 1931-4 y Mr. Cooper.] 1490 Supply. [~iSSK\IBLY.] Supply.

Estin1aL.:~, t..nd can find no other YL-tr under \Yith ~\Ir. E. Fryer have provcJ that the which this r tatter mYhich is beeau::>o thoso E:::tin1utcs the-,c to rTop. '11 here arc now Th "fheoJo settler on the range growing or 1., ? J1 ~m of £800 is information was obtained regarding the alloc .tcd unci er the vote for the purpose of snitability of the land, and the consensus of defraying the expensPs of that commission. opinion among-st people who have inve·,ti­ I realise that some good will come of the gated thn position ; , that certain portions report v hich has been presented by the com­ arc cminentlv 'llitable for tobacco cultiva~ mission. tion; con,CCjl;ently it is the bounden duty of An 0rPO.'· ITIO" J\lE~fBER: The " anti-Swain the Government to render what assistance £on1mission ?" they c ,n in order to make it available. Mr. HYNES: I know that the commis­ There is tho population of a little over sion has been referred to as the " anti-S\Yain 30,000 in 'l'ownsvill ', and of this number commission." A great deal of information 5.000 'would be smokoro. That moctns that has been gl< ~ned as a result of its investi­ the value of the tobacco consumed by the gations. On page 19 it says- people of Townsvillc alone would amount " In the interests o£ the new industry to £30,000 per annum; but, if they are not 1·:c think it ad vi, dJ!e that tobacco culture allowed to participate in this new industry, should not be confined to one or two then !hey are being called upon to suwidise loc .~Jitir·3, bnt that it sho:.1ld be extended an industrv to the extent of £30,000 per to n1any placcc; whP'~e h ;gh-grade tobacco annu1n "\YitLbout any compensr.,ting benefit~. C l 11 be grO\YH." The Royal Commission on the Development the Chamber of Commer<:- J, of Xorth Quoenslnnd stated in its report 1nany public-:--'-Jiritcd rncm, h t\ c that this wa-; ono of the irrll)Ortant m·atters gone to Ho sn1all expense in cstablishinO' placed before ii '-hen evideLcc was sub­ experimental blocks to demonstrate that th~ mitted. The Chamber of Commerce

Bene_ Range area is suitable for tobacco emlcn,vourecl to have the service" of ar.Tr~0 and ihero is no question that they cultural instructor,_ made available for sn,,:cc;:;dod. In the J uno issue of " Oun1- prO' pectivc in the locality. I have C .mpbell's Nlonthl:· :Magazine," I he 1·c some ihe correspondence that has reference to the suitability of the pa~· cd br~hVP811 the Departn1ent o£ \gri­ cuHure "-Hld the Charnber of Con1111erce at " Expcrin1cnts rnade bv the To\vn:::ville TnwnsYille regarding this matter, and it is Chamber of Commerce. in conjunction well that I should read it. I received this Coope1·. Suppb;. [21 OCTOBER.) 1491 communication frcm the TmYnsYille Chamber '' I am to ..cJay in :·oceipt of your formal of Commerce- acknowledgment of my letter dated the " rrO\VllSYillo Chatlbcr of Con1lllCrce," 9th imta.nt, advisinb th •.t the mattc1· is "rrownsyille. 18th Scph rnber, 1931. receiYin~~ considera1ion. ::\iy Chan1ber appreciatcG your reply, but they aro P. JJvnes. .. -..I. 1nost enF'hatic on the nrgcncy of definite " Parl1<~n1crlt Bri >bane. action being taken without delay. Tho "Dear Sir~ year is rapidly passing anJ one month's "'l'ol.Jac o dclaJ' in ··+ving z;on•ideration to the suh­ A j cct m a: easily mean the loss of a SP tr

).fr. I-IY~ES: I run no\v dealing with l}lent should i_ ~ dirrcr·,•d t·J i:ho othCI' page 19 of the report of the Commission, district,,. wherein it is said that tobacco~gTO\Ying s11otdd I have pointed out rhc Cha1 1lwr c,f not be confined to a particular locality_. but Co1nrncn in To\\ u· should bo undertaken all over Queensland. tion to the t ran:;.fc_' of I a1n taking exception to what appears to the Toy·nsvilio di:,tricr. m0 to be favouritism shown to certain dis­ had to supcrYisc trict,. of ~orth Q•.tecndand. I will be can­ in Town;;:;,~ilJc and did_. and uention that I refer to f>Iareeba. Giru ancl Bovven. Other districts in Que:' 111any do yo~t \Yant? Mr. KENNY: That is not true. That land Mr. HYi\TES: There three instructors was owned by the Atherton Estates. iu the I\ orth. and there uul~~ one for the krgl' loc.· Ct.: to vvll!ch I an1 referring. 1Hr. ~h. HYNES : One of the beneficiaries of 1-iainilton, who has a pPr:::m.~Ll knowlcdcc of the Athcrton Estates was also a member of thn l'lquircrnt-1H:-< of the d~:,trict, haa been this Commission. The hon. member should -:<011t 1o 11arccba. not forg·et that. 'With rpfcroncc to the o. •ening up of the The s' CRETARY FOR PuB;,rc INSTRL'CTION : Dot3\.Vood country. the Con11ni;.<;;.ion \Vas a~keJ \Vhat are you insinuating? to assist in having a suitable road con­ Mr. HYNES: The chamber of commerce, ~trucv~d to Hui·-,;cy Range. hut it s·tid that ·c-hose members are by no means labour sup­ jt CJu1d not recOnnncnc_l · t;:c propo"'_.-d on porters. refer to what thev think is the aceount of the expcnsf', i·L Leing c, tinHlted favouritism shown to other parts of Queens­ tl:"•ion Townsvill ·. 'rhich is entitled to the same cmne to a conclusio~n hastily? coe~idcration as other parts o£ Queensland arc re ·civing in the development of the ~llr. IIYXES: I take it thnt t!w Con1mis­ tobacro-gro~", ing indu:::try. It is incurnbent ~ion did not consider the 1nattcr long enough. upon th<· Gm-crnmeJ t to have as much land The evidence placed before the Commission as poseiblc put under tobacco cultivation, in Ta~.vnsYille l11lH·t have convj:nced the ffi(~U1~ notwith:... tanding the warning ·which has been Lers that it was desirable and that it would i'5ucd bv the Commission as to the bad b·c profitr.b!,-, for the Go•:ernment to go on pffects th'at a boom may bring about. Vi'e with that road. ~here is any amount of must rr meml. ''r that over £3,000,000 worth 1abonr ayailabl0 !L Tovvnsvi:' ~ 'to builJ of to1,;-:.cco IS imnorb•d into Anstralia the road. It would be rcproductiYe. and .1nnua1l:v, and it is l~_)cal to a~,.3nn1e that if the GoYcTnDlPnt would justified in having the othm· Stutcs sc:nt operations on a largo it constructed. EC de, they "-ill eventually ~et the manufac­ huing businc~s to the detriment of Queens­ The SECRETARY FOR RAILWAYS land. I do not thillk that Quf ens land to-day (Hon. Godfrcy 1Iorgan, J1h.rilla) [9.15]: I H to the r ·_,_1ount of would not have cpcken on this vote but for to:~;c,,- ~o t] ' is capable of produc- the statement of the hon. member for ·war­ Ing t_''--onon•ir:tlh 1n order to satisfv 1\.u".­ rego that I had nmniaated l\t1r. Hoyling foe tl2.llaa requirernenrs. For. that re~son. I the con11nission of the peace. So far as I urge tho ·GoYernn1ent to give every assist­ know, Illr. Hoyling is a very highly reopect­ ance and encouragement to the settlement able man. He lws been in the Tara district of tobacco-grovv·crs on Cro\vn land. for a long number of years, gnd he and his family • 'lke a very keen interc "t in all mat~ :;\1r. KENNY: Is not that what the Govern­ n1ent are doing? ters appertaining to the district. I nomi­ nated that gentlctnan for an .. , ppointment as Mr. HYNES: I am stressing the fact a. justice of the peac,o many years ago when th.__t in 1ny G\\'11 dirtrict the GoYernn1ent the Labour Party w> in power. I do not are not doing; that. The hon. n1cmbcr \'/111) remember just how I was influenced to make int ·.rjQcts should rrn1cn1bcr that there aru the nomination, but it is more than likely othN districts in Oueensland besides' that rhe request came from one of the public ::\1nn~r:la, an cl t~l ~ ~ tte!tt!on of the Govern- bodies in Tara. As everyone knows, the [Mr. Ilynes. Supp.'y, [21 0CTODER.j Supply.

police 1nake full inquiries -when they rccci n~ approYed by this GoYcrnnwnt and those a nomina lion. and the Labour Government interested sent overseas to secure capitaL of the day ppointed him a justice of the The Prm:.\UER: They are still going on. peace . He is in every way a decent indi­ vidual, and one would not know that he is JHr. JCEl'f~·JY: As the Prmnier s=ty.s, they a Chinaman. His namo is Hoyling, but it are still going on. I very n1uch regretted is spelt· in one word. He is cultured in every to hear the hou. member read the article way; and the bet that he takes part in all which he quoted. public gatherings in the district is an indica­ 11r. BB:DFORD: It \'.as the advcrticemcnt of tion that he is in every way qualified, and the com;Jany. I do not know why he should be attacked by =lr. KEN:'i"Y: I think greater care should the hon. member. If he did commit an be sho\vn in advcrtiscrncnts of such a nature, offeLce, as alleged by the hon. member, I because they arc liable to do a r.rrcat arr1ount understand thct he was not tried for that of h.1rlll to ~uccnsland. I agree with the offence. hon. Inernbcr for \Varrcgo in that. 11r. B.:-,DFORD: n:~.~ 'YD·l tried, and his 'Iho ..::-\.gcn-L-Gcneral'.s vote is one I am friends got six 111011t ~1s. pleL1s-:d to support, because ev-eryone in (;uccnsland realises the great amount of good The SECRETARY FOR RAILWAYS: work that the Agfnt-General can do for us vYhy did he get off? in England. I am not of the opinion of a Mr. BEDFOHD: Because he ;vent to the w ..• r. number of people that one man appointed by the Comrnonwealth Government should be The SECRET:\RY FOR RAIL\VAYS: I the sole representative in Lo:odon for the shall make inquiries into the matter. Evi­ Commonwealth and the whole of the States_ dently he went to the war and fought for I maintain that, as Queensland possesses such Australia. I do net know what good pur­ [re:tt assets which we ;nmt to have developed, pose can be served by this attack on him. it is necc'>nrv that we should have our own :\fr. BEDFORD: l asked a quution, and Agent-Gen~r;l to handle our affairs m w ,. given an impudent reply. England. The PREMIER : There was nothing impudent The hon. member for \V arrego referred to about it. lhe ::\onh Quec'n,Jaud Dc,-dopment Com­ mrsswn and the recommendation the com­ Mr. BEDFORD: There was. The reply was mission made for the granting of a charter that he wa.s appointed during the time of the for the development of J'\orth Queensland. Labour Government. at which nobodv He pointed out that other· companies were laughed more than the hon. gentleman. · being floated in England at the present time_ The SECRETARY FOR RAILWAYS: If Personally 1: disagree with the hon. member a pergon is guilty of an offence and suffers when he sa vs that a charter should not be punishment, that should be the end of it; granted to ,;ny company for the development and after that he should be treated as an of North Queensland. For a number of years ·ordinary individual. No good purpose can nothing has been done to develop that por­ be served by bringing the matter up in Par­ tion of the J'\orth which has been referred liament, and it may place a stigma on his to bv the commission. I am of opinion that family. He has sons and daughters, and I the 'Agent-General in England is a great cannot see that any good purpose can be asset to this State in developing that portion served. Simply because the Premier did not of the State. answer the question in the way the hon. I would· suggest-and I do not think it member for Warrcgo desired, he is making is beyond the hounds of possibility-that the an attack on an inoffensive individual. Government themseh-es should formulate a Mr. BEDFORD: I have had experieace of scheme for the development of North Queens­ you. land, and allow ~he Agent-General to state that a charter wrll be granted to any com­ The SECRETARY FOR RAILWAYS: It pany that would be prepared to develop that does not matter as far as I am concerned. area on definite lines laid down by the If it is an attack on me, I know how to Government. handle it, and will handle it successfullv. Instead of attacking me, the hon. memb~r :vir. BEDFCRD: A chartered company with is attacking a person who cannot defend him­ lts Ohn local authority ruid its own police. self. If the hon. member makes an attack }lr. I{E:,~:--;_,-: The 11rivilcr:e'" that ~uch on me. I will give him a little more than he a company cn.ioycd would be a matter ~or wants. I know his history. He \vill be the thP GoY(~rt.mellt. The su;gestion of the most sorry man in this Chamber. I will let Connnisf'ion i~ a good one, and. if th Go~ the people know what he really is. Yt:rnn1cnt- did fon11ulate n ::;chcino, tht_-y Mr. BEDFORD: Yott are only funking_ could control t'w polic<' and other acr,i,citi•, lo ,,,hich the hon. member has rcferrrrl. It The SECRETARY FOR RAILWAYS: I v-rould be- pc,sible to get a JS'O ._l sound 8rl:enl'J­ only make those remarks bcca use I do not \:vhich then· \YOuld b~ no clwncc of p:uple think it ;,-as fair for the hon. member to havd.;ing round ah!·oad. The .\gcnc:v-Gencr d attack a gentleman who is not here to defend in London i.o.: Yerv bt:'nPficia! to the SL1te himself. r_nd to pcJpL-~ in t:ngl~ncl \'rho baY rnoroy f.Ir. BEDFORD: Therefore nobody should be to put into tl1c dP"clor)n1cntal work rccfnll­ 1 criticised here at all unless he is a member Jn udcd l the C'orr:;nis:-:lon. and the svg·~es­ of Parliament. tion is ,,~t'll vv._~rthy of con~ideration .. 1\Ir. POLLOCJ\ : ~~Yh)' the .Agent-Gc'n· ral? Mr. KENNY (Cook) [9.20]: There are a couple of points I would like to refer to, ::\Ir. KE::\'\Y: T' t C 1 ho ''d and the first one is a matter referred to bv really a-:t us n ('~-~;~ll;;~_,l~ial .fctr;~~.'~.!l~r f~r t.he hon. member for \Van-ego. In dealing Qur~cn· hnd. with the Agent-General's vote, he dealt with ?.1r. HYXES: \-Yhv :::.houlcl lF' be traveli:ng different mining propositions that were out to (~uccrt:-land ~: Mt-. Kenny.] 149± Questions. [ASSEl\'IBL Y.]

:Yir. KE:\:\"Y: Hon. mcmbc13 who profess concern for the workers of Queensland and sav they do not ''i'h to keep them working all the· time oug;l!t not to object rf ncan like tho Ag('nt-t;dH:ral ~;ots to take a holidr1 \' fm: er otbcr rea::s·on . I am sure h8 h•1 ,;; CJut his dutiPs in EngL.ncl n::ry ( ffieicntly, .and orrangen1ents have been nH'c1c to conLln:-tc that efficient work during Ls nb,cn< '· At 9.25 p.m., The TE?dPi : Under the provisiGns agreed to bT" the Ho tu··~ on .J nl v. I 3h all IEnv lea vc tfw clwir, and nHtke 111.· 7 rvr-port to the :House. The 1-Iou~\ l'CS1llllb1. The TE--;),'\P. · ·pori ] pro- gress. Rcsu1npiion of Ccnn1ltt Dtade all 01·llcr of the D<' fr t l-LJOlTO'... Tlw Hou-c r:djoLunl\_l ::t 9.26 p.rn.