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tion, together with the fixing of a guaranteed price for wheat proposes to strike out, the Senator from Massachusetts moves sufficient to cover the cost of production plus a reasonable to insert: profit; to the Committee on Agriculture. No part of the mon(lys appropriated or made available by this act 3997. Also, petition of Ole Erhardt, of Harlow, N. Dak., and shall, unless the President shall otherwise direct, be used or expended 41 others, urging the revival of the United States Grain Corpora for the repair or reconditioning of any vessel owned or controlled by the Government if tbe expense of such repair or reconditioning is in tion, together with the fixing of a guaranteed price for wheat excess of $5,000 until a reasonable opportunity has been given to the sufficient to cover the cost of production plus a reasonable nearest available Government navy yard to estimate upon the cost profit; to the Committee on Agriculture. of such repai1· or reconditioning, if performed by such navy yard within the limit of time within which the work is to be done : Provi-ded, That 3998. Also, petition of G. P. Lee, of Reeder, N. Dak., and 36 this limitation shall only apply to vessels while in the harbors of the other , urging the revival of the United States Grain Corpora United States; and all expenditures in connection with such work are tion, together with the fixing of a guaranteed price for wheat to be considered in estimating the cost : And provided {urthet·, That the provisions of this clause shall take effect upon the passage of this sufficient to cover the cost of production plus a reasonable act. profit; to the Committee on Agriculture. 3990. Also, petition of Andrew Martinson, of l\IcGregor, N. l\Jr. OVER.l\L~. Is the ·aruen long line of men appeared there waiting to obtain employment. Mr. LODGE. M:t·. President, it is provided in the amendment Toward the end of the line, the places ahead having all be~ that all such expenses shall be computed. taken before they reached the place, there happened to be four I do not wis~ to detain the Senate. I hope that they will ex-service men. There were other ex-service men higher up in adopt the amendment which has been prepared by the Senator the line, hut the four of whom I now speak remained there all from Washington and which I have ubmitted in lieu of the '(]ay, until they fainted from exhaustion, and the opportunity for amendment heretofore o-ffered by me. employment by the State·was gone before they could ·be reached. Mr. OVERMAN. Mr. President, I should like to intern1pt I merely mention this to show the condition that exists. the Senator to ask him .a question. There is real suffering and genuine' lack of employment. I 1\Ir: LODGE. I yield. . should be less than human if I did not feel deeply the distress Mr. OVERMAN. In connection with the question of a navy • caused by conditions left by the w.ar for which no one is yard submitting an estimate it will take money to prepare and responsible. submit estimates and t.o do the work thereunder, will it not? These people see these great works belonging to the Govern Mr. LODGE. . Oh, yes; I thilik I know the point the Senator ment, including the greatest dock in the country, with a plant has in mind, that there would be great delays if the work were attached to it, lying there entirely idle. The navy yard has intrusted to a navy yard, but none if it were given to private very little work, an{!, of course, it is inevitable that the navy contractors. · yard force will be still further reduced. A great reduction has 1\fr. OVERMAN. Private contractors have already made just been made at the Washington Navy Yard, and, as Senators estimates. · have noticed from the items in the newspapers of yesterday and l\1r. LODGE. Yes; they have made estimates. to-day, the severity of the experience of these men is being taken Mr. OVERMAN. Ancll\:fr. Lasker says that if the navy yards up by their comrades in the labor organizations. were called upon for estimates delay would ensue. It is said that they have no better claim than anybody else; Mr. LODGE. I have not finished, and should like to proceed; but there are many of these men who went into the navy yard but I will yield to the Senator. as apprentices and have been there from 20 to 30 years. Al Mr. OVERMAN. I ask the Senator bow can a navy yard though I kifow very we'll that reductions must come, I think they make an estimate without Congress appropriating the money have a certain claim upon the Government if there is an oppor to enable them to do the work, which, in this instance, will tunity for Government work which must be 'done. take something over $8,000,000, as I understand? Representatives of these men in New England, together with Mr. LODGE. It bas been done over and O\er again. If the mayors from all the surrounding cities, have been down the Senator understood about navy yards, he would realize here to see me and other Senators from that section. One repre that such work has been carried .on repeatedly. sentative of the men at the yard, who was very manly and Mr. OVERMAN. I am asking the Senator for informa4 straightforward, said, "I recognize that inevitably the mechani tion-- cal forces of the yards must be reduced; I recognize the effect Mr. LODGE. I will give the Senator the information in of the treaties; I know naval work must decrease. We do not a moment. ask charity ; we know the Government can not support us Mr. OVERMAN. How can the navy yards do the repairing and give us work there if there is no work to be done ; but if and reconditioning work without an appropriation by Congress? there is Government work to be done, we should like a chance Mr. LODGE. In this instance no appropriation whatever to bid on it. We are aware; of .course, that private yards will will be required, for the money can be utilized which the Ship give bonds and guaranties." I may say, parenthetically, Mr. ping Board have received from the sale of ships. President, that I have had rather a protracted ~xperience in I did not mean to go into the question of bids. I was going naval matters, for I was a member of the House committee to say that those interested at the Charlestown Navy Yard do which authorized the first three ships of the new N,avy-the not expect to get the work unle s they can show that they can Massachusetts, the Indiana, and the Oregon-and I have yet to complete it at a lower cost. It bas been done again and hear of a successful effort to collect penalties from a contracting again. I have here a list of ships which have been built by firm. There may be such instances; I presume there are; but navy yards under their estimates. I cite the case of the none have been produced, although we hear much about the B1·idge, which was a United States ship, although riot a war guaranty furnished by private yards. The men of whom I speak ship. In 1914 the navy yard submitted an estimate and did stated to me, through their leaders, that they were willing to the work on that vessel for $37,842 less than their estimate. give and would gladly give a guaranty on t)leir <>wn wages, Mr. OVERMAN. I a-sked the question of the Senator be that they w.ould give bond individually, to insure that they cause I can not understand why the Secretary of the Navy would do the work in a given time and at a certain rate. The himseif, l\1r-. Denby, has written a letter-- wages in that yard are not to be reduced in the future, as Mr. 1\lr. LODGE. I am familiar with his letter; it bas been read Lasker estimates; they have been reduced already by the Gov here a number of times, and I ha\e read it, of course, myself. ernment 25 per cent. Those men, as I say, are willing to bond Mr. OVERMAN. Although the Senator bas read it, I wanted their own wages in order to secure some assurance of work to call his attention-- for 'themselves and support for their families. That is unbusi Mr. LODGE. I have bad my t-.ttention called to it over nesslike, no doubt, and that would be the condemnation that and over again. would come from the Shipping Board, but the suggestion was 1\Ir. OVERMAN. All Senators have not beard it, perhaps. well and honestly meant, and I confess that it appealed to me. I wish to understand about it. The Secretary says the navy Mr. KING. Mr. President, will the Senator permit an inter yards can not do the work, ahd, if they can not do it, what is ruption? the use of providing that they shall do it? I· l\Ir. LODGE. Yes. Mr. LODGE. It can be done by the navy yards, notwith.: Mr. KING. In preparing the estimate .of c<>st which they standing what the Secretary of the Navy may say. might be willing to submit, would there J:>e taken into account Mr. OVERMAN. The Secretary of the Nary seems to have as a factor the amount of capital, or any part of it, invested by a contrary view. the Government and the depreciation from the use of Govern Mr. LODGE. I lmow it can be done, because it has been ment tools and facilities? done. The reason for · the action of the Shipping Board, I am Mr. LODGE. Certainly the second item would be taken into afraid, is that when they allowed the navy yard to bid a year con ideration, but they. would not take into consideration the ago the bid of the navy yard was $8,938,000 for reconditioning interest on the capital invested in the navy yard, because the the Leviathan against the lowest outside bid of $10,740,000. United States is going to keep the navy yard in any event;. it The trouble is not that the navy yard will estimate too high, can not do anything else with it. but that it will estimate too low. Mr. KING. Will there be taken into account tho e factors That is the trouble. That is the trouble all of the time; and that would be properly chargeable to deterioration! let me say to the Senate that when they destroy all the navy l\1r. LODGE. Of course, the draft of the bid would be made yard :forces and plants in this country the United States will be by the experts who prepare the bids for all naval shlps which at the merc-y of contractors. We lla>e been all throt!gh that on are built. The men who work witb their hands are not going the armor-plate question. The navy yards and the Government to make the designs. plants have been worth to this Government all that they have l\ir. KING. The Senator can see that if a bid were submitted ever cost by keeping do-wn the bi shipyards an 'llten ;\Jr. La.·ker, on 1w gc 3c . . aiel, iu answer to a question I find no fault with it. The committee wanted to get the bill by Benator OvERMAN: through. The chairman of the committee, to whom I explained How do :rou know what it is going to co t, or uo you know? the matter, has been most considerate, as he always is, and: I :llr. L.~sn: En. Yes, sir; we do. The contract will be given Feb think I am warranted in saying that he has no objection to n1ary lG. the amendment offered by the Senator from Washington. 1'5enator OvERMAN. To the lowest bidder? Mr. LASKEn. To the lowest bidder; and it will cost, all tolcl, $8, Mr. WARREN. That is true. !!00,000: In addition to the hidden things which you can reduce to the Mr. OVERMAN. I understand that, but I feel some responsi minimum with the private bidder, the Navy does not guarantee and bility for striking out this amendment in the committee. I can not guarantee that their whole general estimate may not be wrong, They can give you no guaranty. moved to strike it out, and every member of the committee was in favor of it, because it was an attempt upon the part of these That is from the hearing ou this particular matter. If the gentlemen to require the repair of this ship. in the city of Bos contract is to be let on February 15, I do not know that we ton or at the Boston Navy Yard, and upon the evidence before 11e,ed to bother very much about what goes into this bil1, because the committee of Mr. Lasker, chairman of the Shipping Board, Yery likely it can not be approved by that time. who is denounced here by the Senator from l\Iassachusett. , and I desire to make a parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Presillent, in on the evidence of the Secretary of the Navy, who said it was regard to this matter. impractical to submit a bid for this work, we struck it, out. I The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator will state his inquiry. admit that the Senator from Massachusetts, as he said this l\lr. FLETCHER. The offer of the Senator from 1\Iassachu .morning, knows more than the Secretary of the Navy. We had . etts now is in the form of a substitute, as I understood him evidence before us, and we acted upon the evidence, and I want to say, but the question seems to arise in this manner. The Sen to read what Mr. Lasker,· who is an official of tile United States ate committee has reported an amendment to the bill, to wit, and who represents the President, said. that lines 20 to 25 on page 30, and lines 1 to 6 on page 31, be. Ought we to take his evidence or take the evitlence of the sh·icken from the bill. That is the committee amendment, Senator from l\lassachusetts or some mayor from the city and it seems to me the question comes :first on whether the Sen of Boston or some other one interested? Let us take what the ate will agree to that amendment. If the Senate does not agree Government officers say, the Secretary of the Navy himself, and to that amendment, then it would be in order for the Senator let us take the evidence of l\Ir. Lasker. If Mr. Lasker is a bad from Massachusetts to amend that provision in the bill, I pre- man, nevertheless lle represents the Government and we should ume, by the proposal he has made. But the first question is not tie hi hands; we do not want him put in a position for the whether the Senate will agree to the committee amendment. public to say he is an inefficient officer. If he is not the man for Mr. LODGE . .The committee amendment is a motion to strike the place, he shou}d be remo\ed. Let us see what he said : out and, of course, a motion to strike out and insert takes prece ::\Ir. LASKER. If the Congress should pass that provision, I would say dence. - that there is no living man who could follow that mandate of Congre~s. Mr. FLETCHER. The committee propose an amendment to That i: what he is talking about. strike out certain language. If there was a fine attached to it, eve~·y human being would have Mr. LODGE. I am aware of that. Does the Senator hold to quit the Shipping Board. Congress has ordered-or the House of Representatives has ordered-in that clause a practical impossibility. that that prevents perfecting the clause, or offering a substitute? This whole thing came about tbrough the de ire of a certain navy Does the Senator hold that we can not amend it because the yard- ommittee has reported in fa-vor of striking it out? At Boston- Mr. FLETCHER. It seems to me the question would be, .first, to get the reconditioning of the Le~;ia. tltan. Long before this is law the whether the 'senate will agree to the committee amendment Le-lJ'iatllan will be given to the lowE.'st bidder, as we have to give it, or.not. because we can not -spend a huge F:Um ju t to give it to one locality- Mr. LODGE. Then it is not open to amendment . . Where a Boston. motion is made to strike out, you have a right to perfect the The Secretary of the Navy wrote a letter explaining why such a clause proposed to be stricken out. I am doing that now. thing as this was impractical, anu i! I may read to you what he saitl, Mr. FLETCHER. What is the Senator's proposal? I think ·u will throw considerable light on this. ::\Jr. LODGE. To· substitute the amendment drafted by the That letter was read to the committee. The Secretary of the ~enator from Washington. Navy and all the navy yards had a · right to bid on this thing. :Mr. FLETCHER. For the committee amendment? "\Vby did they -not bid? The Senator from Massachusetts want ~Jr. LODGE. For the House language. them to bid now. Why did they not bid before? Private ship ~1·. FLETCHER. I leave it to the Chair whether that i yards were allowed to bid and did bid, but the navy ship yards proper. did not bid, and why? It was because the Secretary of the The VIOE PRESIDE~T. Tlle 'Chair will ·tate the parlia Navy wrote that it was impractical and impossible, and he could mentary ituation. The Senator from Massacllusetts [Mr. not do it. Yet the Senator from Massachusetts wants to adopt LoDGE] mo\ed to in. ert, in lieu of the language which i pro an amendment here wiping out' these low bids, where priYate posed to be stricken out by the committee amendment, the Ian bidders have spent some $35,000 in order to make the bids, where gauge of his amendment. .After that. bas been done, then the the amounts of the bids are known, and he wants to require flUestion will be on agreeiug to the committee amendment, and them now to put the matter in the hands of the President and I assume the Senator from Mas achusetts will then a.l'gue that to burden the President with this matter. If that were done, the committee amendment should not be agreed to, but should be politics would get into it and ihfl.uence would be used. In tead _ rejected, and leave his language intact. of permitting the Shipping Board to let the contract. to the ::\lr. OVERl\lAN. Mr. President, the history of this amend lowest bidder, it is desired to enact a law here to tie the hands ment is this: It was not repo·rted by any committee of the of the Shipping Board, as Mr. Lasker has said. Hou e of Representatives. The evidence sllows it was offered Mr. KING. Mr. President, may I ask the. ~enator a que;~ by a gentleman from Mas achusetts for the purpose of hav~ tion? ing the Leviathan repaired at the Boston Navy Yard. Mr. OVERMAN. Certainly. ~Ir. LODGE. Of course, that was the purpose. Mr. KING. Was there any evidence tending to show that ~lr. OVER1UA1~. That was the purpose, and I suppose that the bid which has been accepted was too high? is the purpose of the Senator from Massachusetts in moving to Mr. OVERMAN. Not at all. . trike out the Senate amendment this morning. Mr. KING. Or was unjust or unfair? ).Jr. LODGE. I made no motion to strike out. The motion Mr. OVERMAN. Not at all. of the committee v;ras to strike out the language, and I moved to 1\Ir. KING. Does the evidence show that it wa · a rea-·onable perfeet the text. bid? :\Ir. OVERl\I.A.N. When the committee of the Senate heard Mr. OVERMAN. It has not been accepted, but the amount the evidence, they struck it out. When it came to the Senate, of it is known, and, of course, I suppose by exerting certain the Senator from Massachusetts moved to disagree to the com influence they can get the navy yard to bid lower after they mittee amendment, but the next day, when he found a :fight was know the amount of the bid submitted by the private yards. to be made against his motion, he came in with a substitute, This bid is much lower than the estimated cost, the amount it nnd when he found that substitute was to be fought, he came was believed by the Shipping Board it would cost. with a. substitute which was proposed and was to be offered by 1\Ir. NORRIS. Mr. President, may I ask the Senator a ques the Senator from Washington, which he accepts, and he offers it. tion? l\fr. LODGE. Mr. President, I was tied hand and foot Mr. OVERMAN. Certainly. tluring the closing days of the Conference on the Limitation of Mr. NORRIS. Is the Government under any obligation to Armament; I coud not be here, and during that time, without accept the bid regardless of any le~slation here? one word to me, or one moment to be heard before the com Mr. OVERMAN. No. mittee, which I should have welcomed, this decision was taken. Mr. KORRIS. It can reject all bids if it sees fit? ·2430 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SEN ATE. FEBRU... \.RY 11, Mr. ·ovERMAN. The Government is under no more obliga in a Government navy yard is a laborer, and a Jn.l>oi'et' in n tion to accept the bid or any bid than the Senator would be if he private shipyard is a laborer ju!':t a. mucl1 a n lnborPr h1 asked for bids for the building of a house. a Goyernment navy yard. Mr. SWANSON. 1\fr. President, the Government, as I under It was stated on the floor by the Senator from Wisconsin stand it, is really morally botmd and has morally accepted the [I\fr. LENROOT] that the way the situation now stand· the bid. Coun el has been directed to meet with counsel of the Le-,;iatha.n is costing the Go>ernment approximately '700,000 Shipping Board to prepare the contract. It is expected that a year. What are we going to do? Are we going to let tit the contract will be .signed on the 15th. I understand, and it navy yards bid on thi.~ work? How long will it take them to was generally understood, that the contractor kept his men and · bid on it? The Shipping Board ...,ay that they want the organization together for some time after the bids were sub Let:iatllan in shape by ~·Pr ing- , becn.u e they haYe already en mitted. It was generally understood they 'yere simply waiting gaged passenger. for it, and they will make tllou. anus antl for the contract to be signed, and for counsel on both sides perhap · million. of dollars on the operation of the Lev-iathan to prepare the contract for signature, and notice was given to through pas: enger and freight sen-ice. Do we want to dE:'Iuy wait until it was actually done, as I understand the situation. the matter? Mr. NORRIS. Still the Government i under no obligation As Mr. La ker saiu, we ougllt to do something to make him to accept any of the bids, and I do not suppose it would adver more efficient, but it eems to be the desire to tie his hand·. tise for bids under any other consideration than that it re ·erves The Senate can do that if it want · to. I am not in faYor of the right to reject any and all bids. It certainly would have tying his hand ~ . I am not in faYor of the Go>erument pend the right, it seem. to me, without being placed under any legal ing $700,000 a year for the care of the Lev-iatltan when we can or moral liability, to reject them all for whatever reason might haYe the ship repaired and let it go on its way carrying pas appear to the Government to be sufficient. sengers and earning money. How long will the naYy yard tak l\Ir. OVERMAN. Mr. Lasker further aid: to estimate what they will do the work for? There is a book All I know i~ that the Shipping Board is alw.nys criticizetl for being of a thousand pages which they will have to have their engi inefficient. · neers go over, and it will take them probably two or three We hear the Senator from Ma sachusetts criticizing the board month.·. That mean · $30,000 gone for the first month, $50,000 this morning. It may be so. If Mr. Lasker is inefficient, he gone for the . ·econcl month, and probably -o 000 gone for the ought to be turned out of office. third month, and we are getting nowhere. Mr. LODGE. I beg the Senator's pardon; he is miNquoting Do we want this hip reconditioned? Do we want it on the me. I did not say he was inefficient. sea? The ooner we do it the better. -ow that we haYe thi Mr. OVER~IAN. I inferred that from what the Senator said. priYate hipyard bid for the work, and a low bid, too, and as Mr. LODGE. Not at all. I said he was a Yery able man, a long a. we can have the work done at once, I say let us do it very rich man, and had had no experience with ships until six: in that way instead of adopting this amendment and having a. months ago, and therefore I ventured to make the ugge tion. navy yard undertake to recondition the Yes ·el with probably Mr. OVERMAN. Mr. ·Lasker continuen: very great delay and gt·eat loss involved. Everybody considers it as inefficient- l\fr. NORTII ' . 1\fr. President, Senators ar getting excited That is what everybody has said- al)d nervous oYer this proposition. I am OlTJ" to see it. People It has neither business standing nor official standing. If Congress are prejudice!l often when they clo not know it. Most of us puts this proviso in, it is just adding something more to increase the are liable to l>e biased, unconsciously often, and I haYe no doubt claimed inefficiency-to make it by law more inefficient than it could that these gren t statesmen here who at·e expounding this ques be inefficient actually. tion are uncon ciously influenced omewhat in the position · What was the committee to do in the face of all this te ti which they a.·. ume by the fact that they have navy yards in mony? The Senator from vVashington [Mr. JONES], chairman their State~. of the Committee on Commerce, was present. The motion to l\Ir. OVERl\1...1\..t~. I haYe no navy yard in my State. strike it out was unanimously carried. The Senator from Mr. NORRI . I said these great statesmen. [Laughter.] 1\fassachusett now comes on the floor of the Senate and moves Mr. OVERMAN. Ah, the Senator does not consider me in that we recede from or not agree with the committee action. that class. He says it is too drastic. 1 am glad he admits that. Mr. LODGE. Mr. Pre ·ident-- ::\fr. LODGE. Does the Senator say I pressed"' for the House The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. EDGE in the chair). Does Janguage? Never! the Senator from Nebraska yield to the Senator from 1\Ia ~a Mr. OVERMAN. I said the Senator moved that we disagree chusetts? with the Senate committee all!endment proposing to strike out 1\ir. NORRI . With pleasme. the language in the Hou e text, which would have the effect to Mr. LODGE. I think the Senator will admit, t!loogh I lay re. tore the House text. no claim to being a great tatesman, that at the very outset I Mr. LODGE. I did not so move. confessed the charge that I do represent a State where a navy Mr. OVERMAN. I so understood it. If the Senator ·ays he yard exi ts, and I haYe great sympathy for the men there diu not, I apologize. employed. l\11·. LODGE. I said I slwulcl move to eli agree. Mr. NORRIS. The other tatesman, the Senator from Vir Mr. OVERMAN. The Senator said that he had to leave at ginia [Mr. SwANSON], also admitted that he had a nary yard 1 o'clock, and 'voulcl move to disagree to the Senate committee in his State and a priYate yard as well. am nument, and the next morning he came in with a substi I find no fault with Senators if they are influenced either t ute. B:e "a · not satisfied with the substitute when he found consciously or unconsciously, but in submitting my testimony there was to be a fight made on it, and so he comes in now that may conflict with theirs it is proper for me as a witness really to acce~ a substitute prepared by the Senator from to show that I have no such bias or prejudice. We have no Wa:;;hington [Mr. Jo~Es], which leaves the matter in the hands navy yard in my State altl1ough we do have some of the best of the President. If the Senator from Washington, chairman locations in the world. Locations for dry docks, and so forth, of t he Committee on Commerce, is satisfied, I do not know could be supplied there clieaper than anywhere on the Atlantic that I ought to make any objection to it, except to say, that the or Pacific coasts or eYen the Gulf of Mexico. It might be diffi Pre.·ident ought not to have this burden put upon him. It cult to get the ships to them, but there would be no danger of ought to be left to the Shipping Board, especially when the Sec airplanes or bombs from the enemy. It would be too far in retary of the Navy, who is the head of the great Navy Depart land. When a ship was once constructed or reconditioned ment, say he can not make the estimates through the navy there it would be safe; it would not be where it could be torn yan1s a i proposed. to pieces either by an enemy or by the wan and to ing of the How is the S~cretary of the Navy going to make estimates sea. unless he i atisfied that Congress will appropriate the Mr. President, I feel, therefore, that those of us "·ho do not $8, un,ooo nece sru·y to enable them to do the work? Con have naYy yards in our States are better qualified on this que· gre s will ha Ye to make an appropriation to enable them to tion than tho e who do. To my mind it i a greater que tion do the work. Mr. Lasker can not pay out any money for than "·hether we shall help Boston or whether we shall help the "·ork until it i delivered, so Congress in the next naYal Norfolk, much as we love both of them. It is a question, in the appropriation bill will have to make provision for eight or first place, of economy in the repair of these ships. In the next ten million dollars to enable them to make the repairs, when place-a very important consideration, I think-it is a que tion we already have private shipyard estimating what it will cost that we s.hould maintain our navy yards to the extent that they and proposing to do the work for a certain sum which they can be maintained by giving them all to do that we can of say is quite low and on which they say they w1U lose some GoYernment work. $200,000. The reason why they made the low bid is becan e I 1Htve advocated for a great many years that the Government it i. · their desir to k4?ep their force and organization to of the United State· ought to build its own vessel . I have getller. A luhorer i ; a Jal>orer whereYei' he may be. -~ lahot·er nd>ocatecl for a great many yelll's, and often on the floor of the 1922. OO:NGRESSIO:NAL R.ECOR.D- SENATE. 2431 Senate vdten I was not supported by any of the Senators who pay fol', must be maintained, and that when we have some work llad navy yards in their States, that the Government of the to do there is where it should be done. I am glad that the Sen United States ought to do its own work, ought to make its ator from Massachusetts [Mr. LoDGE], and apparently all the own guns, ought to build its own ships of war, and ought to do other Senators on this side of the Ohamber, following him, have ev : con~ideration overhead, except the immediate oyerhead expense that extent, of course, with private individuals and privat - that applies to the particular repair work upon which the bid is plants. If the Government begins to make its motor Yehicles ubm!tted. They ought not to take into consideration the dete and construct its chairs and its machinery and its desks-! s..'1w rioration, which is going to take place in any event, whether desks mentioned-and its typewriters, and so on, the effect upon they do the work or not. In other words, if they are going to private enterprise might be Yery serious. I agree with the Sena submit a bid, they ought to consider only those things the ex tor that, as I understand the law now, pri\ate vessels may not pen e of which would be increased by the particular work for be constructed in Government yards. which the~ are bidding. 1\Ir. RA1~SDELL. 1\Ir. Pre ident, if the Senator will ~:iehl, I Mr. KING. I venture to suggest to the Senator, with his per think I can answer to some extent the question propounded by mission, in view of the fact that we have such a large number the Senator from North Carolina. of navy yards, many of which ought to have been abandoned The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator from . :!\e long ago, and certainly many of which ought to be abandoned braska further yield? ·now, if we are to keep all of these yards going by haying private 1.\fr. NORRIS. I yield to the Senator :fl·om Louisiana. work done in them, I think it is manifest that ·we are going to 1\fr. RANSDELL. It is my understanding, 1\lr. President and driYe all the private shipbuilding concerns out of business, be Senators, that the navy ya-rds have a right to do private work, cause the navy yards of the United States can practically con and certainly that they have a right to do work for other struct not only the war craft but they can construct and n•pair branche. of the Government, provided always that the work of a >ery large portion of the merchant ships that would be built the Navy is not interfered witll. in the United States. If that be done, if we are to project the 1\fr. KING. I think that i right. Government into private business, if we are to keep these yards Mr. RANSDELL. That is referred to in this letter of the in esse for the purpose of doing private business, then we can Secretary of the -Navy which has been mentioned a number of not hope for any private capital to engage in similar work, be times. I will quote just that brief paragraph from it. cause, with the Government behind the multitude of Government lUr. Sli\ll\IO:NS. Does the Senator mean that a navy yard yard , with all of the advantages that flow from the plan sug could contract with a priYate corporation to construct a ship of gested bY. the Senator, such a the capital not being considered commerce? _ and other factors which may be inyolved, private yard 'Yill Mr. RANSDELL. I do. I will say that several years ago not be able to compete. I wa · in the navy yard in New Orleans and I saw a great ship lHr. SIMMONS. Mr. President-- that Jwll sunk in the Mississippi River and had been at the l\1r. NORRIS. I will ask the Senator from North Oarolina bottom of the river for a number of years. It was brought up, . to allow me first to answer the Senator from Utah [l\lr. KING], and, at a cost, I think, of about four or five hundred thousand ·and then I will yield to him. dollars-several hundred thousand dollars, anyhow-it was b - Mr. SIMMONS. Very well. ing rebuilt in the navy ya1·d there. There was no Government Mr. NORRIS. I am not trying to do some of the things which work there at that time, and I am quite · sure I am right in tlle Senator from Utah has enumerated; I am not trying to stating that the Government navy yards have a rigllt to contract drive anybody out of business; I am not in favor of maintain for any kind of work, eYen to the construction of a ship from ing all the navy yards of the United States for the purpose of the very bottom up, provided there be no Government work to doing private repail~ and other work. I have not advocated interfere with it; and l\Ir. Denby, in substance, said that in this anything of that kind, and I do not now advocate anything of ·paragraph of his letter. I read from the letter. It has been tbat kind. I haYe no doubt that we have some navy yards referred to a number of times here. It is on page 38 of the which we could very well scrap, and which we ought to scrap; testimony: I have one in mind about which I know something; but I am Furthermore, the stipulated time tor the performance of work fo r not an expert on that question. Perhaps there may be a num other departments ot the Government must always be subject to th ber of others that ought to be scrapped, and 'vhen the time condition that urgent naval work shall take precedence, even if such precedence causes failure to perform the other Government departments' comes to scrap them we ought to scrap them, just as the recent work within the time stipulated. · international conference has scrapped battleships; but so long as we shall maintain-and I presume that there will be some 1\f1·. Sll\1MONS. That is for other Government departments. yards which we will maintain continually-so long as we have Mr. RANSDELL. Yes; I know. In thls instance he alludes to retain those which we feel it is necessary to retain, we to the fact that they are doing work for other departments of ougl1t to keep them equipped so that in case of emergency they the Government; but while I have not looked into it fully, I could be put to immediate use by the Government. Therefore, will state to the S~nator from North Carolina that I am quite in order to keep them in that condition, we ought, it seems to sure that is the rule. I know it was done in some instances in me. to do Government work in our navy yards. Now I yield the New Orleans Navy Yard. I am convinced from my knowl to the Senator from North Carolina. . edge of the situation that they can take private contracts,-with 1\lr. SIMMONS. 1\fr. President, I simply wish some informa- the consent, of course, of the Secretary of the Navy, provided . tion. I understood the Senator from Utah to make the point their work does not interfere with needed Government work . that the navy yards might monopolize not only all the Govern Mr. SIMMONS. Then the logic of that would be that when ment work but all of the private shipbuilding of the country. I the United States shall place in private hands the vessels it now do not understand that there is any authority-and I wish to owns and go out of the shipping business altogether, and when ask the Senator about that-for a Government-owned yard to we shall have reduced our Navy to a minimum, if we keep these · contract for the construction of private vessels. Government navy yards, with no work to do for the Govern 1\fr. NORRIS. Not that I know of. I do not know of any ment, we will simply be maintaining them as competitors such authority. against private shipyards in this country? Mr. SIJ.\i!MONS. I did not suppose there was. I had sup 1\lr. RANSDELL. It would seem to be that. posed that under the law that part of the business now was left Mr. NORRIS. Mr. President, the position I take on this entirely to private ship~ards. If I am mistaken about that, I proposition is that while the Government itself is fully equipped should like to know it, because I think that bas considerable to do some work, and we have the work that has to be done, it bearing on the question we are discussing. · is poor business to go out and get somebody else to do it. The l\ir. KING. Mr. President-- farmer who is running a ranch and has a little fotge or a tool 1\:ll'. NORRIS. I yield to the Senator. bon ··e, and breaks a handle to hls hoe or to his axe, and i · 1\fr. KING. What I intended to say was that if we maintain fully equipped to repair it, would be foolish if he should go ·all of these navy yards, and put them to the use conternpiated 2 or 3 miles away,·where there was a manufacturing establish and projected by a large number of individuals, it is clear to ment, and get their price on repairing his hoe ·or his axe or me that we are going to affect materially the business of priYate something of that kind that he was fully equipped to do. yards and the construction of vessels by private yards. The Government has the ships. It owns them ...We have paid The Senator probably saw in the morning paper that an for them out of the Treasury of the United States. They need effort is being made by some of the employees of the navy repairs. We have the yards with which to do it. We haYe all yard-and I am not criticizing them-to have the Government the tools. We have everything, all paid for at publ1c expense. con!'>trnct in those yards whatever the Government requires. We have the men there ready to clo the work; and now we are For instance, if it requires brooms or requires chandeliers or going to take the ships and turn them over to som~ private requires motor vehicles, or anything that enters into the re concern and let them do the work and let our own plants lie quirements of the Government, it is proposed that they be con idle. It is not good business; and I am glad to see that there strncted, wherever .Possible, in these yards. That would· mean are Senators --here who have formerly occupied other positioas, in time. that these yards and other governmental mechanica~ who believe. no\v that it is good busiue~s for the GoYet·nment plants would be occupied in· the construction of a multitude of to do its own .wod.::: things that the Government requires, coming into competition to · Mr. · wATSO~ of Georgia. Mt·. Pre~i The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator from Ne· extending over a long period of time, costly investigations, and bra. ka yield to the Senator from Georgia? they submitted bids. Moreover, it was stated that the work 1\Ir. ronRIS. I yield to the Senator. must be begun quickly and completeJI at a certain time, because . l\Ir. WATSON of Georgia. Would it be trealing the em· it was desired to put the ship into commission at an early date ployee · in the navy yards right to give the ~or~ to a private in order to get the trade of the coming year. company \Yh ere it naturally would fall Within the1r own With all those facts before tllem, these corporation mad.e tn·oyince? tllose bids. There is no ~ontention that the bids are not fair, ::ur. NORRIS. I uo not think so. I do not think it would be that they are not low, that they are not just, that any ad tren ting them right. . vantage is taken of the Government-nothing of that character. l\Ir. '\YATSO~ of Georgia. 1\lr. President, if the Senator Will After the bids are in it is found that the Newport News allow me further, I do not see any force in the argument made Shipbuilding Co. has made the lowest bid, and that it is fair here an hour ago that because one of the bidders for the con and rea onal>le, and the attorneys have been told to draw the tract had spent $37,000 in studying the specifications and mak contract. We then pass a law saying: "No; we reject that con ing his bid he should be awarded the contract, because at the tract, and we insist, now tllat the bids are known and all these time he undertook that examination and incurred that expense steps have been taken, that the matter· be referred to the Kavy lte did so knowing that his bid might be rejected. Department in order to let some of these navy yards, with all Mr. NORRIS. Why, of course. pf the advantages whicll tlley have, with the possibility of their l\Ir. WATSON of Georgia. So that was a risk that he took. being clo ed down temporarily, if not permanently, bid with all l\Ir. NORRIS. Of course it was. Unless the Government of that information before them." agreed in its invitations for bids to accept the lowest bid, or I merely suggest those facts, stated by tile Senator from something of that kind-and if it made that kind of an agree Virginia [1\!r. SwANSON], without drawing any conclusion · or ment the men who made it certainly have not good business making any comment, to see if the Senator may not find in ~en . _· e-I can not myself understand why the Government is them something that may distinguisll this case from ome of leo-ally, morally, or in any other way bound to accept any bid the cases that he had in mind. that i · made. It has the right to reject them all, and it passes Mr. NORRIS. l\fr. President, of cour e I have not any per- on the reasons that are sufficient to make a rejection. If some onal knowledge as to all the things that have happened· in body has gone to some expense in making a bid, which I presume regard to the Let'ia.than. Transactions may llave happened all of the bidders did, that is one of the risks of the business. between the Government and this bidding concern that I know l\Ir. KING andl\lr. WATSON of Georgia addressed the Chair. nothing about that morally bind tile Government; and if so, I The PRESIDING OF~FICER. Does tlle Senator from Ne do not want to relieve it from any such obligation. If I were lH·aska yield; and if so, to whom? the governmental official dealing witll the matter, and found 1\Ir. NORRIS. I yield fir t to the Senator from Utah. Then that to be true, I would accept that bid. I do not want the I will yield to the Senator from Georgia. Government. to do anything dishonorable under any circum l\lr. KING. Apropos of what the Senator has just stated and stance , 1\lr. President. .what the Senator from Georgia has stated, may I make· a sug .My contention is that, having advertised for bids and re gestion? The Senator from Georgia did not see any force in ceived them openly, having found out what was the lowest, the argument made some time ago witll respect to the pro unless tllere is something else invol>ed, we are under no obliga priety or fairness, after inviting bids and getting them and pub tion of any kind to accept any bids. We have a right to reject lishino- them, of then having somebody else, to wit, Government them all, and Congress, finding the thing in that condition, yards, with those bids before them, make other bids. I sug would, without any moral obliquity, pass a law which would re ge t to tile Senator from Georgia tllat in private matters that ject them all, in my judgment. I do not see anything wrong would be >ery unfair. If I were to ad>ertise for bids on. a about it. house and the Senator from Georgia and the Senator from Mr. JONES of Washington. The Senator suggested a mo Nellr.tska and others were to bid ·upon that ·house, and after I ment ago that be had objected to this substitute because it lim· bad all the bids I should publi h them and then go to some it~ it to the nearest available navy yard. other .person with whom I was connected and show him those l\lr. NORRIS. Yes. bids and ha>e him bid, it would be unfair. ~ow, the Govern Mr.. JOl'-.'ES of Washington. The Senator from Massachu· ment-- etts has no objection to striking out the words " nearest," and l\1r. NORRIS. l\Ir. President. I hope the Senator will pause changing the word "navy yard" to "navy yards"? there for just a moment. In this case, assuming now tllat all Mr. NORRIS-. That would be better. the elements involved are as the Senator has giwn them-and l\Ir. JONES of Washington. And that will meet the objec I tllink he has exaggerated them a little-they have invited bids, tion of the Senator from Virginia, I understand. opened the bids, found out what was the lowest, and the Sen Mr. NORRIS. It will meet my objection. ator says now that we are under some obligation to accept the l\f1·. JO~~S of Washington. I certainly have no objection, lowe t bid. and on behalf of the Senator from Massachusetts I ask that this Mr. KING. No; I have made no such statement. change be made in the substitute: Strike out the word "near· 1\lr. NORRIS. I take it, however, that tile Senator meant ·that. My theory is that when we ha>e opened the bids and est" before the word "available" and change "navy yard" to looked them over we see that we can do the work better our "navy yards," and then in the line just below change the word selw . We therefore reject all the bid , and say that we will "yard" to "yar_ds," so that it will read: do thi work ourselves. It is our property. We have the plant Until a reasonable opportunity has been given to the available Gov t'rnment navy yards to estimate upon the cost of such repair or recon here, and we say to the bidders that their bids are not suf ditioning if performed I.Jy such navy yards. ficiently low to induce us to leave our plants idle and discharge our men and turn this work over to them. I think that is the l\lr. NORRIS. I think that improves it very greatly. position we are in now. l\Ir. RAKSD'b;LL. 1\ir. President, I do not know that I can l\Ir. KING. Let me ask the Senator whE>ther this is not the add very much to this debate, if anything at all. The subject position: The Shipping Board is a private corporation in fue lias been pretty fully discussed. I think however, that in the . en e that it is a corporatiou, of course created to carry out Uiscu :::ion many of us' have overlooked some very important certain Government work. thing.· 'l>hieh should be considered. Mr. NORRIS. Oh, yes. I ask Senator.· to recall the speech made yesterday afternoon 1\fr. KING. We have put nearly fou1· billions of money into by the chairman of the Commerce Committee, the Senator from the shipping business. ·we ha>e created two corporations 'Vashington Ll\Ir ..JoNES], who appealed to the Senate to con the Shipping Board and the Emergency· Fleet Corporation sider the extreme difficulties under which tile Shipping Board and those corporations proceed as if they were private corpora labors. I . wa. ' rery much impresseu by what the Senator said. tion:, subject, of course, to such limitations as are imposed by .I am somewhat familiar with the legislation which led up to law. They advertise, as any corporation ,...-ould advertise, for tile formation of the Shipping ~oard in its present shape and tile construction of ships or for the reconditioning and repair with all of the legi law \Yas pa ~ed, and the present boanl ha not been :free from If the Leviathan were the only thing, I for one would not be riticism. bothered at all, because I am quite sm:e that the Chief E ecu :\Ir. President and Senaiors, I am one of those \Vho do not tive of this Nation will say to the Shipping Board, under the 1Jelie¥e in criticizing people about something- which I could not discretion given him in this provision, " Go ahead, gentlemen, do any better myself if I were in charge of it It is my, candid and do what you contemplated doing. You ha\'e acted m.~ely, opinion that the present board is doing the very best it can with as patriotic men. You haTe gotten all the bids you could. an extremely difficult situation, and deserves to be upheld and You have taken e\ery precaution which could be taken in to be helped by every patriotic American, and not to be abused regard to an important matter like this, and, . o far a. any :md cl.'iticized? · discretion is vested in me under the terms of this amemhnent, In the present case what do we find? This appTopriation bill I say now, your hands are free, act as you deem best, accept carries $50,000,000, not for reconditioning the Ler;iathan but the bid made or reject it." That is what Pre ident Harding for doing many things which it is necessary. for the Shipping will say to them, I am sure. Board to do, and it authorizes an expenditure of $55,000,000 It is not that, sirs, whieh bothers me. It is the general effect additional which the board expects to derive from the proceeds o£ the proposed interference with a great branch of our <~o\ of sales of ships. Another $50,000;000 is provided to settle ernment-the Shipping Board-handling such a difficult prob claims. These are general provisions, and reach out into many lem as it has to handle. It ought to be free. Its hands ought to things. Why do we wish to say to the board "You must do be un hackled. Instead of weighing them down, we ought to this and you must do that " in the handling of its bu iness? hold them up. Why not treat it as we would an OTdinary board of good busi :.ur. Pre ident and Senator , I per."onally ha-ve the utmo -t ·on ne s men if we expected results? The Ameican people are ex fidence in the Shipping Board as now constitutetl. I extlect P cting good things of this board, which is now handling a it to build up and start on a road of "Teat prosperity a mag great number of as ets, which have cost us o\er $3,000,000,000. nificent American merchant marine; and I sincerely hope, t-:ir. , We want it to make a uccess of the merchant marine of the that we will not trammel it by this piec of legislation. United States. We expect it to make a succe of thi mer 1\lr. PLETCHER. Mr. President, I am not quite ertain chant marine ; and yet in this little bill we tie its hands and whether the Senate has agreed to the amendments on page 3~. lm:f, "You can not do anything as an ordinary busines man Mr. WARREN. I will ay to the Senator that all amend would; you can not go to the yard where you can make the ments have been agreed to except in this and one otheT ctt.oe, b st bargain-th navy yard or the private yard or one of that relating to the salarie of the three Civil Service ~om your own yard , if you still have one--but you must go to the mis ioners. Otherwise, all amendments have been pa sed upon. na\y yard. You must SOnET BUYS SIX 3,15Q-TO:-; SHIPS FRO~! BRITISH. It has been obserYed by those familiar with governmental Soviet Russia has purchased in Great Britain in the last six month;::, activities that it is ea y to create commissions and govern a ccol'ding to a report based on Lloyd's records to the Department of mental agencies and increase the number of bureau an cooperate with it in it effort to ecure a reduction ·of ..military be rnade •looking to the continued operation of all naval plants and naYal armaments. ·when we-refused this coopmmtion there by the Government and under the control of tbe Govern ·were millions in our country who hoped that ·some steps would ment. be taken_ by our ~ation to make contribution to world peace. In my opinion, many of the ·yard should be sold or closed. The Washington conference, it was hoped, would ·relieve the A "few should be retained and kept in ·a high state of efficiency, people, by reason of its hoped-for beneficent results, of the which -would -mean that the most modern machinery should oppressive burdens whiCh armies .and navies impose 11pon theJTI. replace worn-out or antiquated appliances and that men of tbe For the current year we will spend five ,hundred millions for highest skill ·and .ability should be retained. To maintain a our Navy and nearly four hundred millions in the ·maintenance navy, which undoubtedly we will have for many years yet to .of our Army. This stupendous sum is too .great to be borne in come, will require several navy -yards, and they hould be of the ·hours of peace by this Republic, rich as it is. There can be the very highest type and manned by men of the highest skill 1no justification in the eyes of the world or in the eyes of pa and ahility. If the question of dealing with the Leviathan in triotic .Americans for the United -States spending this stupen the manner indicated by the Senator from Massachusetts would ·dous sum·in peace times. There is no reason why ·om·:nav.al pro -not be regarded ·a-s a precedent, if it could be considered as sui gram should not be .reduced for the coming year ·at least $250, generis, I should support it. However, if the amendment offered ·000,000. The cost of our .Army -should not exceed -$150,000,000. by the Senator from Massachusetts should be adopted, there -The prodigious amounts called for by the'War and Navy Depart ·should be added to jt a provision providing that in determining ments can not be defended. It is i:o be hoped that when the the costs for repairs and reconditioning the Levio.rthan there 1laval appropriation bill ·and the military appropriation bill ·for should be taken into account suCh factors as are usually con the fiscal year 1923 are finally passed they will have Telieved the sidered in estimating the costs of construction, and so forth. American 'People of onerous burd·ens which they are now bear If a bid i uhmitted by a private iirm or corporation not ·only ing. the cost of materials and .the .labor cost are taken into account Mr. President, there -will be 'tremendous pre . ure brought to but also the question of deterioration caused by the work to bear upon Congress to maintain all of the Government na-vy be done to the -plant, the question of insurance, amount of yards now in ·operation. It js well known that :a number of capital invested, and so ·forth. them are of no utility and could have been abolished years ago Mr. President, in my opinion there will be work for several with profit and advantage to the ·United ·States; but influences, years for the Boston Navy YaTil, -so that it is not as important lJOlitical and otherwise, operated 'to pre\ent the consummation as the Senator from Massaehl!setts thinks that the Leviathan of a plan which economy and the interest of the public impera be refitted and repah·ed at that -place. With the scrapping of tively demanded. some of our capital ships, the demand will be made that the 1 repeat that notwithstanding the ·\Vashi:ngton conference warcraft retained ·be kept up to the highest standard of effi seems .to indicate a. great reduction in the co t of na\al con- ciency. Some of our vessels are in ·need of repair; some of truction, there will be demands made for hundreds of millions ·our submarines are in a confused, if not helpleSs, state mechani for the Navy ·for the coming year and for the maintenanee of •cally. The yards which will be .kept will·have an abnndance of large naval plants and the employment of thou. ands of per 8ns work for an indefinite period, -so I do not -take the doleful view in naval construction ·or in extraneous work not essential to of the Boston yard that .is taken by my -distinguished friend. the Navy. There will .also be a determined effort ·to prevent a What is required is that Congress immediately determine upon constant ·and proper reduction in the naval per ·onnel, o that if a suitable naval program and then execute it. SuCh a program · eonomies are effectuated it ·will only be by the a ·sertion upon will, in 1my opini0n, call f01· ·some new ships of various type• and the part of Congress of 1t.s :undoubted }JOwer, tbacke I offer the following, to be inserted after the word " cost," so The PRESIDE~"'T pl'o t~tnpore. The question now is npon as to make the amendment read: agreeing to the committee amendment n~ amendet1. All expenditures in connection with such work are to be considered 1\lr. OVERMAN. I understand that is to strike out a ctau e in estimating the cost: Provided-, That in considering such expenditures in the House text and to insert. there shall be taken into account all legitimate and proper overhead Mr. LODGE. It has been perfected. expenses, all losses resulting from the use of such yards, including buildings, plants, and the machinery therein, the deterioration in value The PRESIDE~TT pro tempore. The amendment proposed by ot such plants, machinery, and yards by reason of the use thereof in the committee is to strike out a certain part of the House text. such work, the cost of insurance, and, generally, all factors that are The amendment as amended was agreed to. fairly to be considered and estimated in determining cost involved in such work of repairing or reconditioning of vessels.. MI·. LODGE subsequently sai€1 : Mr. President, I misunder~ l\Ir. LODGE. It seems to me the Senator has in there a great stood what was done, ·and I thought what was done was right deal of unnecessary language. Of course, the puTpose of the in regard to the ship amendment that was adopted. l\Iy amend amendment is to make it impracticable. I suppose that would ment was used to perfect the text which the committee proposecl include taking into account the original cost of the Boston yard to strike out. It was carried. Therefore it took the place of the House text, and I supposed, of course, that the committee 100 years ago. Mr. KING. No; _I am not asking for anything in relation to proposition was rej.ected, because otherwise it would have left my amendment out of the bill. capital. 1\Ir. LODGE. I think it would include that. At all e\ents, I Mr. OVE~:i\f.A.N. That is the question I asked at the time, and I was mformed that the House language was stricken out. am ready to have a \ote on it. 1\Ir. KING. In order that there may be no question, I will 1\lr. LODGE. I mis1mderstood it. add the words "excluding capital investment." l\fr. WARREN. The chairman of the committee undeTstood 1\'Ir. LODGE. That is not the way it is offered. that it was stricken out at the time the Senator rose and asked 1\Ir. KING. I will add "excluding capital investment." pe1·mission to consider it early. 1\Ir. LODGE. It is almost impossible to pass on anything of 1\lr. OVERMAN. I remember that I called attention to that that sort, involving all that accounting, and I am sorry the fact, and asked what the parliamentary situation was. Senator feels it necessary to press it at this time. However, l\Ir. LODGE. The Senator did, and I misunderstood it. I ask now that by unanimous consent it may be corrected, and let the Senate vote on it. Mr. KING. If I may be permitted, I modify it so as to read: that the clear intention of the Senate may be carried out. And, generally, all factors that are fairly to be considered and esti I ask unanimous consent to reconsider the >ote by which the mated, excluding capital investment, in determining the co t involved- committee amendment was adopted, and to have the committee And so forth. amendment rejected, which will leave the Lodge amendment in Mr. LODGE. As far as I ha\~e any control I do not feel place. . willing to accept it, and' I hope it will not be ad-opted. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Senator from 1\Iassachu- ' 1\lr. KING. Just one word. It seems to me great adva-ntage setts asks unanimous consent that the >ote by which the com would be given to the yards, an undesirab1~ adYantage, an un mittee amendment, -as amended, was agreed to shall be re fair advantage, if they are to take into account merely the cost considered. Is there objection? The Chair hears none. The of the material and the cost of labor. This amendment which I question now is t1pon agreein·g to the -amendment of the com haYe suggested merely asks that there should be taken into mittee. [Putting the· question.] The "noes" ha>e it, and the account some of the engineei"ing factol's which are in\olYed in amendment is rejected. determinin'g th~ cost of construction. Properly, the capital 1\lr. LODGE. That, I undetstand, carries out the purpose of should be included, b'ut I have waived that, and there would the Senate. only be taken into account the overhead, insurance, deteriora The PRESIDENT pro tempore. 'l'he next amendment passed tion, damage, :md loss to the plant and the machinery by reason over is on page 5, line 19. of that particular work. It seems to me that with the great Mr. HARRISON. 1\Ir. President, we have not yet finished aP,vantage to be derived ftom paying no interest upon capital with the Shipping Board item, have we? it gives a tremendous advantage to the navy yards in biduing Mr. WARREN. Everything has been finished except one item, upon any of this work, and I submit the -amendment. so far as the committee amendments are concerned. The Sen 1\Ir. NORRIS. 1\Ir. President, it is a very unsatisfactory ator from Arkansas [Mr. CARAWAY] is now in the Chamber, thing t.o be compelled to pass upon amendments of this im and we have reached the matter which was passed over at his portance, which are moro or less technical in their nature, request, in regard to the salaries of the Commissioners of the when they are offered from the floor, when ther~ is a good deal Civil s ·enice Commission. of confusion on the floor, and I would not like to be bound even Mr. HARRISON. Have aU these provisions touching the by my own judgment thus obtained without a fair opportunity Shipping Board been adopted? of examination and consideration of the amendment. So much l\Ir. WARREN. Yes; except as to n{)tice of the Senator from in a general way. Utah [l\lr. KrNG] that he would move reconsideration as to one Mr. President, the object of this amendment, as I get it, is amendment. What we agreed ro do was to take up the com to make sure that the naYS yard will bid high enough to give mittee amendments first, and I wish to dispose of this com them a hint that they had better add all these things. In other mittee amendment, which I can to the n{)tice of the S:enator from words, it seems to me the effect of it will be to gi>e the priYate Arkansas. party an advantage in the bid; in other words, its tendency will l\1r. HARRISON. Touching the Civil Ser>ice Commission? be to increase the bid or the estimate of the Government. 1\Ir. WARREN. Yes. The only information I ha>e in regard to it is from hearing Mr. HARRISON. I thought perhaps while we were on the it read, and the Senator specifically uses in that amendment Shipping Board item we might go ahead and discuss it. the language that insurance theTe must be taken into consid· 1\lr. W ARR.lnN. It would be entil,ely in or{l,er for the Senatot· eration. to call that up whE-n we have disposed of the other. I do not know, but I have an idea that the Government carries 1\Ir. . CARAWAY. If the Senator f.rom Mississippi is ready to its own insurance. Why, then, should that be taken into con proceed, that is agreeable to me. . sideration 7 The danger of burning~ destruction, is V'ery little, if any, greater when a yard is in use than when it is not in use. Mr. WARREN. I can not agree to that under the unanimous co1:1sent we have alTeady entered into. 1\lr. CALDER. Much less. 1\Ir. NORRIS. I presume that is true; that when they are l\1r. HARRISON. I want to discuss· the amendment offered using the yards the danger of fire is less than when they are by the Senator from Arkansas, too. not in use. If they should not make a bid and should be idle Mr. CARAWAY. Thnt suits me. the danger of destruction by fire would be gTeater, and if there Mr. KING. A parliamentary inquiry. l\Iay I inquire whether is anything considered in regard to insurance it ought to be the amendment on lines 21 to 25, page 33, has been adopted? the other way instead of adding to the bid. Mr, WARREN. The Senate amendment in the form of a The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The question is upon agree substitute· for the House item is exactly what the House com ing to the amendment offered by the Senator from Utah [Mr. m~ttee had recommended and ado-pted, but failed to carry, and KING] to the amendment offered by the Senator from Massa so· it will go to conference. chusetts [1.\'[r. LoDGE]. 1.\ir. KING; I desire to moT"e to Tecousider, if \ce ha\e ad{)pted The amendment to the amendment was rej~cted. that. l\lay I inquire whether the pro\ision found on page 32, The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The question recur· upon a1;1thorizing the use of $55,000,000, has b-een adopted? the amendment proposed by the Senator from 1\Ia sachusetts · l\Ir. WARREN. Certainty. [1\lr. LODGE]. 1\Ir. KING. The Senator &-ays, "Certainly," so there can be On a di\ision, tlle amendment to the amendment was agreed no doubt about it. I shall mov-e to reconsider that in a moment to. when I get the floor. 2438 CONGR.ESSION_A_L .RECORD-_SENATE. li1EBRU.AR.Y 11, The PRESID:fi:::NT pro tempore. The Chair doe · not clearly l\Ir. HARRISON. So, a. I gather from tJ1e Senator's remarks, understand the amendment to which the Senator from Utah this is to take care of the ne,,-spaper me11 or anyone el e who refers. might travel with the President when he goes on one of his l\lr. KING. I refer to the amendment at the bottom of trips. page 33. l\1r. WARREN. Any entertainment of an official character, Mr. WARREN. The Senator remembers what the rule is, that and any part of that approprjation that might be left could a motion to reconsider mu t be made by some one who supported be used for official entertainment. the amendment, and I judge from the inquiry of the Senator 1\Ir. HARRISON. Do they intend to use any part of this that he did not support the amendment to which he refers. for any of the official functions here in Washington when they 1\Ir. KING. I was out of the· Chamber attending a committee are not on trips? meeting when this amendment 'vas agreed to. I did not sup -l\Ir. WARREN. I ' ":'ill say to the Senator that I lmow noth pose it would be taken up yesterday afternoon when that com ing of that. mittee meeting called me from the Chamber for a ·moment. l\fr. HARRISON. But under the pro1ision could they t.lo The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Senator fr<;>m Utah that? moves to reconsider the 1ote by which the amendment begin.ning Mr. 'VAllREN. -The Senator is a lawyer and I am not. on line 21 and ending on line ~5, page 33, was agreed to. Mr. HARRISON. As chairman of the committee the f'ena l\Ir. KING. I ask the consent of the Senator ha\ing charge tor has not inquired as to that, then, nor have the committee? of the bill that that 'VOte may be reconsidered. l\Ir. WARREN. The Senator must understand that I have to l\Ir. NORRIS. l\Ir. President, a parliamentary inquiry. figure from a layman's view rather than _a lawyer's view. It The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Senator will ·tate his 'vould seem to be a rather narrow construction that the Presi inquiry. dent, in entertaining those with whom be must come in con 1\fr. NORRIS. The inquiry is whether that amendment is tact in the line of business, should have to go down in his own to strike out and insert also, or is it just to insert? pocket and pay for it. It would l>e a narrow construction of The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amendment was to strike the law. I believe myself that it was the intention of the law, out and insert. The question is upon the motion of the Senator which was perhaps too narrow, to provide all expenses that from Utah to reconsider the vote. are incident to travel, which would carry with it, of course, _Mr. HARRISON. I want to discuss that motion, and, at the all official entertainment. same time, the Shipping Board appropriation, and also an item I do not desire to say that the Government is parsimonious that is carried on page 3, which I suppose was adopted on so far as matters of entertainment are concerned. On the yesterday or the day before. I am sorry I was unavoidably occasion of the Panama-Pacitrc Exposition in San Franci. co we absent from- the Chamber and out of the city and did not know gave $50,000 or more to the Navy to entertain friends of the when it was adopted. I call the attention of the chairman of Navy, and we gave, I think, $100,000 to the Army, which was the committee to the item on page 3, because I want to ask never used because it was coupled with the construction of a him some questions about it. It is as follows : building. But our Army and our Navy and our official. are Traveling expenses: For traveling and official entertainm<>nt expenses too often placed in the embarrassing situation where, no mat of the President of the United States, to be expended in his discretion ter who may come here from another country, they are un and accounted for on his certificate soleJy, $25,000. able, unless they have funds of their own, to entertain them. This item has been carried in prior bills for a long time, and All other countries, and I will not except any for I kno'" of it has never read just as it is incorporated here. Heretofore none, pronde straight entertainment funds. I noticed, and un this item has been carried-and if I misstate the facts I wish doubtedly the Senator did, because he is a great reader of the the chairman of the committee would call my attention to it daily press, an item the other day concerning representati\-es " for traveling expenses of the President of the United States, who might come from Canada and other places. I believe to be expended in his discretion, and accounted for on his Canada refused to entertain the idea of sending an ambassador certificate solely, $25,000." or minister to the United States because it would involve a mat Tbe committee suggested, and I believe there has already been ter of between $90,000 and $100,000. Of course, the salaries adopted by the Senate, the amendment to add the words " and would not be any large portion of that. The ambassador. who official entertainment." It may be that this question was dis are here from foreign countries are all provided with straight cussed when this provision was adopted, but I v;·ant to know, funds for entertainment purposes. if the Senator will tell me, why the words " and official enter I hope the Senator does not feel that the economies of thi::; tainment" are included in this provision, and whether or not Government requiTe us to do differently from all other coun there was any request for an additional $25,000 to this appro tries and that we can not at least have entertainment and travel priation. expenses for the President. Mr. HARRISON. The Senator is assuming that I am com Mr. WARREN. So far as a request is concemed, from -\vhom bating the proposition. I am trying to get some information would the Senator expect such a request? about it. This pro"Vision heretofore has been for "travelin"' Mr. HARRISON. The request naturally would come through expenses." A like amount has been provided, but here the the Budget Committee or the White House. words "and official entertainment" are inserted and a request Mr. WARREN. It did not come from there. made for $50,000. Mr. HARRISON. · Did it come from any other source? Mr. WARREN. There was no request of that nature. It 1\Ir. WAHREN. A request came, perhaps not exactly in tile 'vas considered in the committee, but the bill show for itself form of a request, but a suggestion from one or two Democratic that there is nothing of the kind. Senators. l\Ir. HARRISON. -Does the Senatoi· state there was no :such Originally when the Congre s increased the salary of the suggestion from any outside source? President and others there were no taxes and no traveling ex l\lr. WARREN. There was none. I suggested myself that pense involved; it was simply a straight $100,000 salary that it would only be an honorable and decent thino- to have orne was proposed. That wa. cut down to $75,000, and afterwards thing for the head of the Nation-not onJy for the Pre ~ icl e nt, by statute traveling expenses of $25,000 were allowed. I be but I would do the same for the heads of the Navy ancl the lieYed then, and I still believe, that we ought to cover the ex .AI·my who have to entertain foreigners from time to time as pense of travel. As the Senator knows, in old times when an they come here. That is the thought in mind. I am responsi official trip was made the railroads ftJrnisbed a full train free ble for it. to the President of the United States. He took with him mem Mr. HARRISON. That suggestion did not come officially bers of the press and per. ons engaged in official business of from any other source? the United State , and the railroad provided the dining cars Mr. W .A.RREN. It did not. If the Senator would like, I and all that was neces ary. might bring here from my office the story of some millions of Now, however, the situation, as fue Senator knows, is differ dollars that were expended by our last Presi :Mr. HARIUSON. Can that be the reason why the Senator lot of useless officers and to give them high salaries. Here is felt the sum here should be increased? an item: Mr. WARREN. It had nothing to do with this whatever. I For reconstructing greenhouses, Executive Mansion, $6,000. desire to say to the Senator if this costs a penny additional he A new item was adopted. The item was increased from might have cause for complaint from his standpoint, but it does $8,000 to $12,000 for fuel for greenhouses, and so fo1~th. So it not cost anything more than heretofore. would seem there is some " pageantry and extravagance " prac ~Ir. HARRISON. I am not complaining. I am trying to get ticed by others than those who are advertised in the campaign information. literature by the Republican committee in the last campaign. Mr. WARREN. I understand perfectly what the Senator But, bad as that may be, there are other provisions in the wants. He and I do not have any trouble. He is only trying bill-- to make some political capital out of it. 1\fr. WARREN rose. 1\fr. HARRISON. I believe it was the Senator who brought Mr. HARRISON. I yield to the Senator to explain. politics into it. I am only h·ying to get information which 1\Ir. WARREN. The Senator is alluding to items that have apparently I can not corkscrew even out of the chairman of the been carried every year, less or more, according .to the amount committee. May I ask the chairman of the committee if this of repairs necessary. As to the item for fuel, that is a matter, $25,000 additional was suggested by him to the committee be as the Senator knows, first, of great advance in expense in the cause tl1e words "and official entertainment" were inserted in price of coal, and, secondly, he knows that the plant propaga the provision? tions. are started there for the public gardens and the orna Mr. WARREN. That had nothing to do with it either. There mentation of the entire city. was a conversation in the subcommittee about the other matter. Mr. HARRISON. Is not coal a little lower than it was last The doings of the committee and the subcommittees are not year? always a matter of publicity in the Senate, but we do nothing Mr. WARREN. I have said coal is higher than in former in our committee that I am ashamed to disclose and nothing times, and, besides, we have been providing too little to last the about which I woulcl not like to have the Senator from 1\Iissis year around. sippi or any other Senator know in detail l\fr. HARRISON. I feel that way about the Senator. The Mr. HARRISON. Higher this year than it was last year? Senator talks about the dazzling splendor of the last adminis Mr. WARREN. Yes. Of course, it depends upon localities tration. and the kind of coal. · Mr. WARREJN. Have I found any fault with the last ad Mr. HARRISON. Both of the items carried increased appl'O ministra. tion? priations, as the Senator will recall, for coal from $8,000 to Mr. HARRISON. The Senator never finds fault with any $12,000, and the other a new item of $6,000 for reconstructing thing. greenhouses. 1\Ir. \VARREN. I was about as good an adherent of that 1\Ir. 'VARREN. It is not a new item, as I think the Senator administration as was the Senator from Mississippi. will admit when he considers it. What does he say it pro'"ides Mr. HARRISON. That is why the Senator is occupying his for? place now in the Senate. Mr. HARRISON. Reconstruction of greenhouses, Executive Mr. WARREN. I went so far in the matter that a great Mansion. many of my friends in the Senate, one sitting not far from me Mr. WARREN. There are some twenty-odd of those green now, gave me very severe castigation because of it, and I de houses, and they last only a certain number of years, very few served it, I dare say. years, because of the constant wetting and heat and rotting 1\fr. HARRISON. I am not finding fault with the Senator. I away. The consequence is there is something going on every have agreed generally with the Senator, but the Senator should year as to some of them in the way of repairs or reconstruc not get riled at me because I am seeking information. tion. Mr. WARREN. I am not riled. I could not become riled Mr. HARRISON. There are other items except the new one at or with the genial Senator from Mississippi. The Senator put in by the committee. merely wishes to contribute something to literature, I take it. Mr. WARREN. There was one greenhouse which was to be Mr. HARRISON. Yes; in behalf of the taxpayers. The refitted or reconstructed, I believe, at $5,000. It was necessary Senator spoke about the expenditures in the last adminish·a to fix two of them, and we changed the item to make repairs.or tion by the President. I notice that in the last campaign a reconstruction of two greenhouses, and increased the amount speaker's series of pamphlets were issued and sent all over the for that reason. country to prejudice the minds of the people against the Presi Mr. HARRISON. That is a new item to which I was calling dent's trip to Paris, and they headed it : attention. Mr. WARREN. No; it is in place of an old item. Mr. Wilson at court-Royal pageantry and dazzling splendor. Mr. HARRISON. Here is another item, for ordinary care, That is the kind of literature that was distributed all over the repair, and refurnishing of the Executive Mansion, $50,000; country, and yet fault is found with me, because, forsooth, I for fuel for the Executive Mansion and greenhouses, $12,000, ask the chairman of the great Committee on Appropriations formerly $8,000. Then there is another item for care and main why, for the first time in the history of the G<>vernment, an tenance of greenhouses, Executive Mansion, $9,000. Then there appropriation of $25,000 is made, and an insertion is made of is another itePI for repair to greenhouses, Executive Mansion, the words "and official entertainments." The Senator becomes $3,000. Then there is another item for reconstructing green riled at me and finds fault with me. houses, Executive Mansion, $6,000. Then follows an item for Mr. WARREl~. I beg to say to the Senator that he must not improvement and maintenance of Executive Mansion grounds- state in the record that I am riled at that. within iron fence--$10,000, and so on down the line. I shall not l\fr. HARRISON. All right; I will withdraw that. He is not read all these large expenditures which are made to keep up riled. the greenhouses. I hope the appropriation is large enough to Mr. WARREN. I never could be that. I have too much sym- grow plenty of flowers, and that they will be beautiful ancl or pathy for the Senator. I hope that the Senator is not charg- namental. ing that the chairman of the Committee on Appropriations or Some days ago I read a very interesting article by l\Ir. Lasker, the committee itself was the editor or instigator of the pam- head of the Shipping Board-- phlet which has aroused the Senator. Mr. WARREN. Before the Senator proc-eeds, does he wish to l\1r. HARRISON. I think the Senator never would have strike out any of the items he has mentioned? allowed it to be distributed as a campaign document, especially Mr. HARRISON. Yes; I believe there is a motion now pend if he had ever thought that at this time, so early in the admin- ing, but later I shall so I?ove, and I hope I can get the aiel of istration, there would be a request for an approp1·iation for the Senator from Wyommg. 25,000 "for official entertainments" for the first time in the his- 1\Ir. WARREN. The Senator will not get the aid of the tory of the country. Senator from Wyoming. Mr. WARREN. But they have not asked $25,000 nor 25 cents Mr. HARRISON. I did not think I would; but I am going nor 1 cent additional. to move to reconsider the vote by which those items were Mr. HARRISON. The provision is for $25,000 "for h·aveling agreed to anyway. expenses" and "official entertainment." Mr. WARREN. And the Senator's motion will be defeated, Mr. WARREN. Very well. That is what the statute pro- and he will wish to have it defeated. vides as to the amount, and it is exactly the amount that has I Mr. HARRISON. No; the Senator can not put me in that been appropriated everY. year. Not a cent has been added to it. position, especially after I have argued so forcefully here to-day Mr. HARRISON. It seems that running through the whole against those items. I hope the Senator thinks it has been done bill is a spirit of extravagance and a desire to employ a whole forcibly. 2440 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. l\lr. W A.RRE.N. The Senator's argument will call for the Mr. WARREN. A part of it may be coYered by a deficiency rejection of his motion. bill, but it has not, perhap , been provided for as yet. How l\lr. HARRISON. :Now, Mr. President, I want to read from ever, the full amount has been estimated for, because tllJ $8,000 the Chronicle-- went only a part way through this year, and the remainder, of :Mr. SPENCER. 1Ir. Pre ident, will the Senator yield to course, will have to be provided. me for a moment? l\fr. HARRISON. The amount which was requested by the The PRESIDENT pr•o tempore. Does the Senator from Budget Bureau was $14,000, and the committee have provided l\!issis ippi yield to the Renator from Missouri? $12,000, so that the difference will come in as a defic.iency l\Ir. HARRISON. I glR.dly yield. some day. -- l\Ir. SPENCER. The fact of the case is that the item for the Mr. WARREN. We do not know. reconstruction of greenhouses is not a new item, but provides Mr. HARRISON. And the Senator will ask the Senate to precisely the same amount "Which was appropriated and spent make the appropriation. last year. It i called reconstruction, but it really is to replace Mr. WARREN. We hope it will not come in as a deficiency, certain portions of greenhouses which have deteriorated. Each and I hope the Senator has not changed his position, but will year it is neces ary to provide for a certain amount of so-called stand with us and join in the hope that we shall have to appro: reconstruction in order to keep the greenhouses in proper con priate less instead of more. dition. Last rear $6,000 was estimated and appropriated and 1\Ir. HARRISON. I hope it will be less, but we are not get spent. ting less. .As to the item for fuel, the Senator from Mississippi is quite When the Senator from Missouri [Mr. SPENCEr.] int~rrupteu right. Last year the amount of the appropriation was $8,000, me I started to read from the Chronicle. What I shall now read but it was not enough to pay for fuel, and it has not been so is from a speech which was deli•ered by Mr. Lasker on October for a number of years, and accordingly deficiency items have 5. Among other things be said : come in. This year the estimate was for $14,000, but the com We believe we have our losses checked and hope to require not more mittee thought they might get along with $12,000 without in than $5,000,000 a month for operations from now on until tbe encl of the Government's fiscal year, June 30 next. Five million dollar a cur-ring a deficiency. Just so much is required for fuel used at month is a huge sum, but small compared to keeping alive an organiza the White House as in theca e of the Senator's house or of my tion with $3,500,000,000 invested and operating and developing e sential hou e, and yet the Senator objects to appropriating enough to strategic trade routes, which must necessarily ·be run at a loss under the present trying conditions of world-carrying tr·ade. We can not but pay for fue 1. believe tbat if we can produce a constructive policy, the taxpayer, hard l\fr. HARRISON. The onJy ilifference I see between the Sen pressed though he is, will not only approve of the continued operation ator from l\Iissouri and the Senator from Wyoming touching at the present cost, but applaud same, in the comparison to tbe previous the appropriation for the greenhouses is that the Senator from loss entailed. 'Vyoming says that some of the items are new, and in one case, Yet notwithstanding that speech and the statement that the at lea t, there is an increased appropriation. Shipping Board would cost only $5,000,000 a month, and the 1\Ir. 'VARREN. No. subsequent statements which have been issued to the press ami. l\Ir. HARRISON. But the Senator from Missouri says that publi bed e•erywhere that the Shipping Board had effected a the appropriation for the last item is for the same amount as great saving to the taxpayers of the country, that great reforms la t year. and economies had been worked out, we find that in this bill· Mr. W .ARREN. I beg pardon. I did not say that there were practically $150,000,000 is being carried for the administration any new items. I said that as to this particular item we a_dded of the Shipping Board. The first item, of course, i to pay the an '' s " to the word "greenhouse," in order to make it plural, se•en commissioners $12,000 each and a secretary $5,000, mak but that we appropriated the arne amount as was- appropriated ing a total of $89,000. Then the next appropriation which i re-· last year and the arne amount as was asked for this year, which quested is $-350,000 ; the next is $20,000; and then we come to the was $1,000 more than the House had provided. That is . the emergency shipping fund. I quote from that item as follows: case, but it is by no means a new item. For administrative purposes, miscellaneous adjustments, losses due to the maintenance and operation of ships, !or the tie-up, reconditioning l\Ir. HARRISON. l\Ir. President, the bill shows upon its face and repair of ships, and for carrying out the provisions of the merchant that the House appropriated $8,000 under the item in lines 12 marine act, 1920, (a) the amount on hand July 1, 1!:122- and 13, "for fuel for the E:x:ecuti\e Mansion and greenhouses." 1 have no idea how much will be on hand in 1922, but they The committee have raised that to $12,000. have a tight to expend that during the coming fiscal year- l\11'. WARREN. Yes; but the estimate was for $14;000, and (b) $50,000,000: Pt·ovided, That no part of this sum shall be used for this appropriation is nothing new so far as that is concerned. the payment of claims other than those resulting from the current There is nothing new about it; it is not a new item. main+-enance and operation of vessels; (c) the amount received during l\Ir. HARRISON. It is for an increase, however. The other tbe fiscal year 1923 from the operation of ships- item to which I called the attention of the Senator was: No one knows how much that will be. I suppose the Shipping For reconstruct ing one greenhouse, Executive Mansion, $5,000. Board does not know. The committee has stricken that out and in its place has in- Mr. WARREN. Is the Senator alluding to the $55,000,000 item? serted: l\Ir. HARRISON. Yes; I am coming to that. For reconstructing greenhou es, Executive Mansion, $6,000. Mr. WARREN. I think I ought to say at this point for the That is an increase over the House bill. information of the Senator from Mississippi that a year ago l\Ir. WARREN. It is an increase over the bill as it came from that same or similar provision was placed in the bill. The offi the other House, but the language is not different; the language cials of the Shipping Board have collected everything they is exactly the same, except that the letter "s" "as added to could; but most of the amounts will be uncollected, although the word " greenhouse." The amount of the appropriation, during the year they may perhaps collect 5 per cent or 10 per boweyer, was changed from $5,000 to $6,000, "Which was the cent. It bas, however, seemed to the committee that we should amount estimated for this year and the same as allowed last make it a "spurring up" point to help them collect it in order year. to obtain the funds with which they wish to go on. We hope l\fr. HARRISO~. That i what I have stated. that the remainder will be collected to the utmost pos ible ex Mr. WARREN. The Senator from Mississippi, I fear, did not tent, and that whatever can not be collected immediately may quite study his lesson before he began to speak or he would not be put in the shape of secured indebtedness. In other words, separate them in just that way. we want to give the board responsibilities, rather than have the Mr. HARRISON: I always study my lesson. I said that matter go into the courts, so as to make the best settlement we the two item in the bill had been increased, one from $8,000 can and secure the money as soon as possible. •o· $12,000 and the other from $5,000 to $6,000. Now, the Sen Mr. HARRISON. Yes. The next item is: ator from 1\Iis. ouri says that the same amount was carried (d) Fifty-five million dollars from moneys collected from mortgages, last year in the original bill. I do not know whether the leases, accounts and bills receivable other than those arising from cur rent operations, and from moneys collected ft·om the sale of ships, Senator from Wyoming and the Senator from l\lissouri agree plants, material, securities, and other assets, pior to July 1, 1923, less as to that or not. such portion of said $55,000,000 which shall have been collected during l\1r. WARREN. The Senator from :Missouri is exactly right. the fiscal year 1922 under the provisions of an act entitled "An act making appropriations for sundry civil expenses of the Government for 1\Ir. HARRISON. Yes ; but a part of it was carried in a de the fiscal year ending June 30, 1922, and for other purposes," approved ficiency bill. March 4, 1921. 1\Ir. WA. .RREN. That is not different fr·om what I have Then there is another item as follows : stated. For the payment of claims, damage charges, and miscellaneous adjust Mr. HARRI ON. A part of the amount was carried in a de ments authorized under the provisions of the merchant marine act. ficiency bill. Is that not correct? 1920, $50,000,0()0. ' 1922. CONGRESSION.._\L REOOR.D-SENATE. 2441 So running through this bill are enormous amounts, whicll is pending, one that was offered by the distin.::,oouished- junior are contradictory to the prophecy made by Mr. Lasker, the head Senator from Arkansas [Mr. CARAWAY]. It also relates to an of the Shipping Board, and to the statements which he is con increase of salary. It looks as if this administration is bent stantly issuing to the public. on trying to find jobs for its adherents and increasing salaries, l\lr. FLETCHER. l\lr. President, before the Senator passes forgetful of the needs of the American people and unable to from that may I interrupt him? sol>e the great problems that are pressing upon Congress. We ~lr. HARRISON. Certainly. . wait here for days for some program to be given to us, for -l\lr. FLETCHER. On page 865 of the House hearings 1\Ir. some policy to be revealed. and none comes. We are hande1l Lasker reports the loss from operation to be $4,000,000 a month. by the Appropriations Com.mittee, though, day after day, bills Mr. HARRISON. Yes; $4,000,00.0 a month. How can we seeking to increase salaries, thereby adding to the burdens of expect the American people to believe the head of the Shipping taxation in this country. Board when he makes statements such as those to which my l\lr. WARREN. . Mr. President-- attention has been called, and then we find him here requesting The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Does the Senator from l\Iis and obtaining of Congress enormous sums of money to run and sissippi yield to the Senator from Wyoming? operate the Shipping Board? Mr. HARRISON. I do. But that is not the worst of the matter. No wonder that the Mr. 'VARREN. Perhaps the Senator will permit me to say farmer in the Middle West, who is to-day receiving 25 cents a that this is the-second large bill we have practically completed, bushel for his corn, no wonder that the farmer in the great except for a conference report, and that in the two together Northwest, who is to-day receiving a small amount per bushel no attempt has been made to raise a single salary, with the for his wheat and demanding that Congress guarantee a price exception of the point that is not yet settled in regard to to him for the next year, is discouraged when he realizes that the three Ci vii Service Commissioners, and $400 in the case of men employed in the Shipping Board under the last adminis one position that has been changed in its responsibilities; so tration who received $6,500 a year are now receiving $35,000 a that if tllose three go out, it simply leaves a matter of $400, year, and when they realize that men who in the last adminis where a man steps from one place to another, out of all this tration worked under the Shipping Board and who received total of approximately $700,000,000. $2,500 a year are now in some instances receiving $10,000 a year. Mr. HARRISON. I thank the Senator for indorsing what I We fought out here during the last Congress the question of said. 'l;'lle last bill carried that appropriation. imposing a limit to the number of men who might be employed Mr. 'VAHREN. Which one? by the Shipping Board at salaries above a certain amount a Mr. HARRISON. The appropriation of $7,500 to pay to a year, and a proviso was moved in connection with the appro person who received at one time only $1,800 during the last priation for employees of the Shipping Board limiting the salary administration. which could be paid, as I recall, to not .over $10,000 a year, with Mr. WARREN. The Senator is mistaken about that. It took the exception of one employee who might receive in excess of the place of the House provision, which carried $10,000. In that. Then we voted on the proposition of allowing not more other· words, we cut down the House provision from $10,000 than three to receive a greater salary than the sum I have to $7,500. named. I believe that that provision was finally adopted, if Mr. HARRISON. I say that the administration is bent on my memory serves me correctly. Yet in this bill, despite the increasing salaries, and the incident to which the Senator ·calls boasted economy of the present administration, the great reforms my attention proves it. There was a young man named Gilbert thathave been worked, and the savings made, we see the Shipping I think, working in the Treasury Department, who received Board requesting and obtaining from the Appropriations Com at one tin1e during the Wilson administration $1,800 or $2,000 mittee of the Senate a provision which gives them the right to a year ; and the Secretary of the ':Preasury now beseeches the employ fl,t least 11 men who may be paid over $11,000 a year. committees in the House and in the Senate to make an appro We fought it out once and the fact was revealed on this priation of $10,000 a year for this ·man. floor that an ex-Representative, who had not prosecuted a law Mr. WARREN. The Senator, of course, is indulging in an suit perhaps in 12 years, but perhaps because he had made some cient history. Republican speeches in the last campaign, was given a job to ~lr. HARRISON. It is history, anyway. write bills which might be presented to Congress touching the ::Ur. WARREN. I do not know the early history of the thou merchant marine of the country and was paid $10,000 a year. sands of men who have been employed by the Go\ernment, and At the same time the further fact was revealed that an ex I do not know to what man the Senator is alluding or what Senator, who was one of the close advisers at Marion during salary he formerly received, except that he was one of the As the last campaign and who is slated for tlle Supreme Bench sistant Secretaries of the Treasury under the past administra of the United States, was to receive $5,000 merely to advise· the tion, and I know that the lowest salary paid to an Assistant general counsel of the Shipping Board when his advice was Secretary of the Treasury is $5,000. sought. With condemnation still ringing in the ears of the 1\Ir. HARRISON. Yes. He is a very efficient gentleman; chairman of the Appropriations Committee, we find that com but I said that during the last administration, at one time, he mittee bringing into this body a new provision and saying that worked for $1,800 or $2,000 a year, and just before we went out the board shall be allowed to employ at least 11 men who are of power he was appointed to take Mr. Leffingwell's place I to receive over $11,000 a year. think, as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury. ' Oh, the Senate committee are more generous than the House 1\Ir. W AHREN. The Senator might say that he worked for were, because the House in the bill as passed by it only allowed $13 a month, as I did once, and I should not dispute it, ue six officers or employees of the Shipping Board to receive in cause I do not know; but I do know that the first we knew of excess of $11,000, but the Senate committee goes them five bet bim on this side of the Chamber was when he was Assistant ter and allows them to employ 11 to receive over $11,000 a year. Secretary of the Treasury, receiving $5,000 a year; and eveJ·y The Republican side must answer to the voters . this fall from one who has spoken of him on the floor here has spoken of him one end of the country to the other why they have increased as a very competent man. the salaries of men working under the Shipping Board who re 1\Ir. HARRISON. Why, be is a splendid young man. He is cei>ed $6,500 a year during the last administration to $35,000 a a Democrat; and I think you have the best excuse for increas year. You. will have to explain why you are paying these enor ing his salary that you have in the case of anyone, because he mous sums to attorneys for the Shipping Board. is the most competent man in the Treasury Department to nm It is pitiful to think of the low prices the farmers are re . that department, and I do not know how you would get along ceiving, the low wages that the laborers are getting, the mil without him. lions and millions that are hungry and without clothing Mr. W AHREN. Does the Senator know that he is a Dem throughout this country, and yet see Congress appropriate ocrat? these enormous sums increasing salaries for these high -offiCials. 1\Ir. HARRISON. I am not exactly sure. Since he bas be~>n If you think that the people are not watching and looking and associated with you and a few others he may have changed. waiting, you are very much mistaken. They know that that Mr. WARREN. Was he ever a Democrat? pro>ision is in the bill. They know what you are trying to do Mr. HARRISON. I do not know about that. I do not want so when you come to vote on the motion made by the distin to do him an injustice. I hope he is. It may be if you find guished Senator from Utah [Mr. KING] to reconsider the pro out he was you would dispense with his services. I hope not. vision giving to the Shipping Board the right to name at least 1\lr. WARREN. I know nothing about it; but I will enter 11 officers and employees who shall receive over $11,000 a year, against that the statement that he has always been a Repub I hope that it will prevail. lican, and the people can take their choice. I do not know )lr. Now, :l\1r. President, I want to pass from the Shipping Board Gilbert's politics, nor does the Senator from Mississippi [Mr. for a moment and address myself to another amendment that HABRISON]. L...~II--15-! 2442 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. FEBRUARY 11, Mr. HARRISON. I can see now why you are insisting on Mr. NORRIS. Personally, I have never agreed with the ad paying him $10,000 a year, then. ministration in making that change. As I said, I am on record 1\Ir. WARREN. We did not insist upon paying him $10,000 against it myself, and protested against their makino- it. I a yeaT as it happened. The House insisted upon it. We did would have been glad to have the order of President Wilson im not. proved in any way it could have been impro\ed, but I did not Mr. HARRISON. Anyway, 1\fr. President, I have come now · want the· Post Office Department to take a step back\-va.rd and to discuss another provision in this bill. Here are the Civil put these post offices on the political pie counter. I ad\ocated Service Commissioners up here. They have been receiving that when there was a Democratic President, ancl I felt in $5,000 a year for a long time. In the years gone by they have honor bound to advocate the same when there was a Republican done some veiy efficient work, They have been very impartial, President. 1. think, myself, it is a step backward, although it and no power and no influence, however great, could swerve can be, I think, very truly said that under the prior adminis them in the discharge of their official duties. I do not know tration of President Wilson the Post Office Department \ery whether they can be influenced now. I hope they can not be. often did not car1·y out in good faith-and I think I could I have a very high respect for the Civil Service Commission. I prove it in a good many in.stances-the work of the Civil Sen notice, however, that this very generous Appropriations Com ice Commission. In a great many instances, many of which mittee proposes to increase the salaries of the commissioners came under my personal observation, they practically nullified fuom $5,000 to $6,000 a year. There are other increases made the ·orders of the Civil Service Commission and the real intent for the Civil Service Commission. For instance, the appropria of the law. But I did not consider that any reason why my tion for additional employees for th~ Civil Service Commission party should be guilty of an act probably worse than that. It is increased from $56,.780, .as recommended by the House, to ought to have improved on it, if improvement were possible, $100,000, as ·recommended by the ·Senate. The way they are and, as I think ought to be done, should have kept the po t now interpreting rertain orders issued by the President and by office of the country entirely out of partisan politics. the Postmaster General and executing the civil-service rules, I Mr. FLETCHER. Mr. President, I think the Senator from do not know that there is .any use in making any appropriation Nebraska is cOITect, that if we are going to have a Civil Sen·ice for the Civil Service Commission. 11here is where we really Commission at all, we should have it function a it i intended could effect a sa'Ving to the taxpayers of the country. to function. The way the thing operat~s now-and I look into the faces of MT. NORRIS. If the Senator will permit me to add to what Senators on the other side who agree with me; if they do not, I I have said, something which the remark of the Senator from wish they would rise :and speak-it is a farce the way postmas Florida reminds me, I concede that under the law the P1·esident ters are being named throughout the country. I pause for an has a right to make appointments of postmasteus. He has a. answer, but none come. We know that the civil-service rules right to resort to any method he pleases, and whatever methocl a-re n(lt followed. T.hey hold O'Ut great hopes to persons who he adopts, as far as I am concerned, as long as I am in official take the -examinations throughout the country that the one who life I will help him cart~ out in good faith. :r '\viii not interfe'I'e receives the highest rating will be .put on an eligible list of three, with it, because he has a tight to adopt it, though as a matter and one of them will be appointed, and so fO'rth. I do not know of 'POlicy I disagree with him entirely. But I think a political who it i s t hat wo.rks the thing around, whether it is the com party, no matter whose party it may be, which ·goe bef01:e the missioners themselves er some fellow in so·me part of the com people and sa;ys, "We are .going to take these offices or tho e mission up there, or w-hether the word goes down the line from offices, whatever they may be, out of politic and put them on the Postmaster General or his .First Assistant, or from the the merit basis," ought to keep them on the :merit basi in good President ; but you know and I know that they work it around faith; they ought to be sportsmen enough so that when tile to ·put some fellow in the office that "-the powers that be " de rules they themselves have laid down work against them, they sire to ha~ awointed; you know, too, that if a poor person, be ought to take their medicine, and if that kind of an ndmiois it a girl or a boy or a man or a woman, has not Republican in tra.tion of the law brings a postmaster into office of the ·opposite fluence no~·, he or she has no chance to .get a job under this party, we ought to be spoDtsmen enough to tand for it and civil-service system. defend it, or we ought to frankly say to the people, " We are Mr. NORRIS. 1\Ir. President, may I interrupt the Senator? going to put these offices on the political pie counter and .give The -PRESIDENT pro tempore. Does the Senator from Mis them out to deserving Democrats or deserving Republicans," as sissippi yield to the Senator from Nebraska? the case may be. Mr. HARRISON. Yes. Mr. FLETCHER. I think that is very true. We are told 1\Ir. NORRIS. r do not think the Senator wants to leave the that rthere will be examinations, and that the appointments will impression-at least, I Jlope he does not, -and if he does, I want be based on the grades made before and certified to by the to controvert it----'that the Civil Service ·Commission is to blame Civil Service Commission. I am not willing, how.ever, to let· for the condition of which the ·senator complains, and which I this pass with the clean 1bill of health given by the Senator from agree exists. Mississippi-, apparently, or the Senator from Nebraska, to thi .~ 1\fr . .HARRISON. I J.•eally do not think they are to blame. I Civil Service Commission. I have reason to believe, and I wnnt think it is due to the orders that are being issued from bigh to say it now v.ery briefly, that the Civil Service ·Commi ~ ion, authority. They naturally desire to sta:nd in with the "powers as it functions now, does not regard as at all controlling the that be." findings of the examiners and the agents whom they appoint to i\ir. NORRIS. ti think it is perfecly plain what is being done, make investigations with reference to these appointment and and nobody is C{)'I}Cea:Ung it, as far as I kno·w. I do not agree with reference to the applications; that they make their own that the oorder -cught to lla-ve been changed. I am on record rulings, and those rulings are plainly influenced by political agaiMt it myself, in a written communication to the Postmaster considerations. In other words, the Civil Service Oommis ion General11.± the time it was contemplated to change it. -The old as .it is now constituted is a great political machine, and they order ·that w.as issued b-y !president WilSO'n applying to post disregard the findings and the reports of their own people nnd offices abo-ve the fourth class, including the first, second, and establish grades and make certificates as to eligibility and as third class offices, pt·ovided that civil-service examinations to qualifications of their own volition and arbitrarily, and are should be held, .and that the Postmaster General should appoint evidently influenced by political considerations. the highest one on the list. President ;Harding changed that Mr. C.ARAW AY. If the Senator from Mississippi will allow order. He had a perfect legal right, of conrse, to change it. I me to interrupt a moment, I will just briefly state to the Sena think myself it was bad policy to change it, and that it ought tor from Nebraska that no Member· of the House or the Senate not to have been changed; but he changed it, and provided that of the Republican faith is ·elected in my State, and therefore the postmasters should be selected from tile three highest on the the chairman of the State central committee is the ·Official list certified by the Civil Service Commission. distributor of offices, although I understand he is advised by I understand that where .there are any post offices in a dis a committee of 16 men, 13 of whom drew the 13 best places trict represented by a Republican Member of :tiDe House of in the State to start in with ; but he passes upon everybody's Representatives, the practice is for the Jt.epublican Member of right to bold an office, even to that of a rural carrier. The Congress to make a selection from the three highest on the list fortunate -Ones are named in advance of taking the examina that is -recommended to the Post Office Department, tihey send tion. The faithful have ·been told who shall have the places it to the President, and the President sends it to the Senate. in order to -discourage anybody else from entering the exami Where there is not a Republican Member of the House of Rep nation as far as 'POSSible. At Glenwood, the one to whom resentatives, .I suppose it goes through some other ;party ma the 'Place has been given made a1·ound 60 per cent, 10 per cent chinery. I think I have stated the matter correctly. less · than the passing grade, as I understand, and after that Mr. HARRISON. The Senator .is correct ; I ·do not want to had been -certified, and it was shown 'he was not eligible to do the commission an injustice. Of course, they are following appointment, the distributor of offices came up here, went to orders from higher up. the Civil Service Commission, and they changed that grade 1922. OONGRESSION_._I\._L RECORD-SENATE. 2443 and ga\e the man 70.2 per cent, and now- his name is pending the President of the United States. There were probably hun before the Senate for confirmation. dreds of good deserving Republicans at Marion who desired to Mr. HARRISON. I thank the Senator for his information. be appointed postmaster. They ha 19~2 .. 2445 no.li -pro\.e it, but I k.uow it, ami eYery man tl1at reads this tat.e all his property ·before night, been--use the Postmaster General ment ·Or looked at the !]):lf>el'S ·will know it, an(l, of course, he has ab..,olutely ignored the provision o'f the ci\il serYioe law knows 'it. Again, I should be ''el'y much pleased far him to and the spirit ·of the law, which di·rected him to give ,tx-ser~~ lr. tired of you. He claimed to help ex-senice men who were disabled to obtain Mr. C• .t\RAWAY. Ye . compensation from the Government. l\Ir. NORRIS. Now, tlley are pretty tired of us, and God A poor boy, stripped of whatever ntality he ever had by his only knows where they can go and be satisfied. They have got services beyond the sea, and who is now drawing compensation to jump out of the frying pan into the fire, and they may -do for practically total disability, went to hi office and asked him it; but if they do that, for the reason that they put us in office, to write a letter to the War Risk Bureau to assist llim to secure it will not be Long before they will put us back, because they compensation. It was not a:t all an effective letter that was will get just as tired of you as they did before. written, but the man to whom I have Tefetred wanted the ex- l\lr. CARAWAY. No; they never can grow as wem·y of any oldier to pay him $25 for writing the letter. He Raid, "The body else as they are of this administration. Some things are G.o"t"ernment has no right to fix my fees; I ·know enough to fix possible. I am ·willing for the Republicans to ha"t"e the offices. my own charges; you b.a-ve got . to pay, and if you uo not Will Rogers said last night, " I had a conversation with the pay "-I am not using· his exact language, but I will put President, and said, ' l\Ir. President, this administration has it in the RECORD-" if you do not pay, then you are not a good made lots of mistakes.' The President said, 'Yes; I appointed citizen ; then you are dishonest; you must pay your honest most of them myself.'" [Laughter.] debts." He wrote a series of letters and abused him. After I am not critical about the character of men whom the Repub he had been paid $2.50 at one time and ·$5 at another for the lican Party selects for office :i:n my State, excepf I think they very nominal service which he had pm·fm'illed, he still wn nted should be decent, competent citizens ; and I presume most of $27.50, because, he said, he tdok some acknowledgments. Yet, them a:re; I am making no charge against them; I think they despite all these facts, the man who had vilified and almsed are. I do think, lwwe,er, that the Republican Party ought to live this poor, crippled soldier boy because lle would not submit to up to the spirit of the law which Congress has pas ed, and for hi extortion .has been rewarded by ·being selected as postmaster, which the President voted before he went out of the Senate, although nearly e"t"ery citizen who is a patron of the office had to give ex-service men the preference where they aTe on the igned petitions against his appointment. On 0ne rnral route eligible list. leading out of the town, where there may be possibly 85 fami We said to them when we asked them to go to war that what lies, I think, something more than 80 signed a petition prot~t ever good thing were to be given out when the war was over, ing against this appointment, but lle had evidently paid hi coi1- they should ha-ve them ; and the present Postmaster General tTibution and the office is his if the Senate will ratify what or has he yet gone into the movies? I do not remember. I have the Civil Serv-ice Commi. sion and the Postmaster General ha\e not ~een an interview from him recently, and I do not know ·e n fit to put 11p to the 'Se.nate. whether he has gone into the movies or is just going. 'Mr. NORRIS. Ur. PTesident, may I a k the Senator a Mr. NORRIS. I do not know, I am sure. question? Mr. CARAWAY. ·wen, I presume nobody knows. 1\Ir. CARAWAY. Ye ~ . l\Ir. NORRIS. Doe the Senator from Arkansas attend the Mr. NORRIS. As J understand, the Senator ha not yet, movies? at least, .shown that the Civil Service Commission is to blame ~Ir. CARAWAY. Not of the kind, I think, the Po~tma ·ter for the appointment of the man to whom he has Teferl'ed? General is going into. I have always gone to those- 1\Ir. CARAWAY. No; I can not ay the OiYiL Service Com ::.Ur. KORRIS. The Senator has probably seen his picture on mi sion i to blame. the screen? 1\Ir. ~ Tonnrs. But I understand the Senator is criticizing l\lr. GA.RAWAY. 1·0. I think there i. orne kind of a cen the Ci vii Service Oomrni sion for this rmrticular ca e? orship of the movies. ~Ir. CARAWAY. Possibl:r t1H~ Senator's suggestion is well The Postmaster General was quoted as saying that the taken. I rather think tllat I wn.nclered a hit far afield, although American employer who, when there were good places to be I am not certain but ilia t all of this inf~Tmation was in the given out, did not give them to the ex-senice man wa no longer hands of the Cinl Servi(·e f'ommissign when they cert ified au American. \Yell, I presume that applies as much to the Po"t .him as a perfectly proper }tllU eligible P"rson to be postma&i:er Office Department as it does to a man who run a factory. and there. However, foT fear that you a:ud I ma~' know what in if the Postmaster General were to be ju Mr. President, all that I haye saiu is drawn out in my oppo are paid Yery many times $35,000 a year. They are making ·ition to the increasing of the salaries of the Civil Service Com tremendous fees, and of course the lawyers for the Rhipping rnissioneJ.'S; and, as my understanding is that the amendment to Board are protecting the largest business in the worhl. Ther increase their salaries is to be withdrawn, I yield the floor. is no other business as large as this shipping busines ·, with l\lr. RANSDELL. 1\lr. President, just a word. As a mem the amount of capital inYested in it, and it is a competitive ber of the Civil Sen-ice Committee of the Senate, in the business against all the world, and they haYe to haYe suit!:! absence of the chairman, I wish to say that I am sure that brought in all sorts of place ~ and under all sorts of condition . in the very near fuhue that committee wlll make a pains It is nece$ary to haw, for instance, a vice president in charge taking examination of the matter referred to by the Senator of the traffic. It is necessary to have another in charge of from Arkansas [1\Ir. CARAWAY] and by some other Senators, operation._, another in charge of commerce, :mel so forth, unu and .I feel sure that ·"''e will do as near what is right and just so forth. And I will ay that the Shipping Board did not take in the matter as can be done. ad-vantage of the authority to employ six: at $35,000. They dill Just one other word in regard to the increase in salaries for not have six: at $35,000. They had only two at $35,000 and the Civil SerYice Commission proposed in the bill. I have not one at $25,000 and, I think, one or two at $12,000, as I remem read the testimony and am not able to speak very fully in ber now. We felt that we had better put it back as the House regard to it; but I kn.ow, :Mr. President and Senators, that committee had it, and when it goes to conference both matters after very careful inYestigation the Civll Service Committee will be there, :mel then we can see whether they were right or ha · reported to the Senate a blll to reclassify all the employees whether, just in the storm of passing the bill at the last mo of the Government, and under the terms of that bill the Civil ment with perhap · 15 or 20 1\lembers present, those Member. Service Commission is giYen charge of that reclassification. were right. That \Tas our object in putting in thi amendment. It is charged with Yery onerous, important, and difficult duties. l\1r. JO~"'ES of ·washington. ?lit·. President, will the Senator I nm not here to defend the present personnel of the com yield to me for just a moment? ·mission or to say anything in the world about that. If they l\lr. KING. Yes; I shall be glad to yield. have done wrong, I am sure they will be held accountable for l\lr. JO~E • of ·washington. I have not had an opportunity it. I know nothing about tlwt; but I am here to say that in to look up the matter fully, but, as I understand, before the my humble opinion we would make a great mi .Mr. JONES of New :Mexico. :11r. President-- busine ~ s I would not let my interests rest in the hands of three The PRESIDE~'""T pro tempore. Does the Senator from Utah or four or five thousand dollar men, if I could get men at yjeld to the Senator from yew 1\Ie:x:ico? higher alaries. I would not take a man who would offer to 1\Ir. KING. I do. do it for $5,000 Ot' $6,000 a year, becau e I would feel pretty 1\Ir. JONES of New .Mexico. I should like to ask the Senator well sati ·fied that he was not competent to protect my interests from Washington, while he is detailing the action of the House and the inte1·ests of the GoTernment. subcommittee on this subject, if he is willing to state what the I~ w~. are going to tie the hands of the Shipping Board by action of the Senate subcommittee was on this subject? saymg You can not keep these men whom you have and \Yho Mr. JO:NES of Washington. I was not on the Senate subcom ha\e charge of these cases; we are going to make you get rid mittee, and I do not remember. I think the Senate subcom of these men and take some other men or else make these men mittee did not report in favor of that. I think that was the work for eight or ten or ele\en tbou;and dollars a year " we ca e. I have no objection to the Senator reporting what the Sen might just as well throw up our hands, so far as establishing a ate subcommittee did, because he was a member of the Senate merchant marine, or so far a protecting the interests of tills subcommittee and I was not. ~overnment against the claims that ha\'e been made against it, l\Ir. JONES of New Mexico. I suppose it ought to appear in 1s concerned. the RECo"Bn at this time or some other time that the Senate sub . It probably isnot an argument at all, but I want to say that committee agreed with the action of the House that there if I were on the Shipping Board and Congress were to take should be a limitation upon these salaries of not exceeding sueh action as that with me, I would quit the next day and let $25,000. Congre .... nm it. We can not expect these men to go on month Mr. Jo... rns of Washington. Oh, yes; the subcommittee after month and year after year and bear the criticisms they agreed to the action of the House; but I want to appeal to the have to. bear ~fi:d which they are bearing, doing the work they Senator from Utah, who knows the proceedings in the House ar~ domg, to1ling day and night, and worrying ovel' these and how things are done there, and how apt amendments of this tl:nng , honestly trying to protect the rights and interests of character are to get in a bill upon the floor of the Rouse, and the Go\ernment of the United State~, and when they come to how carefully the subcommittees go into these matters, and the Congress and tell what they feel they need to take care of the weight that should be attached to the recommendations of the ~usine . of the Go\'ernment, ha\e Congress deliberately say, subcommittees. I ha\e my opinion about it. It may be dif You do not know what you are talking about. You do not ferent from that of the Senator from Utah; but I want to say know what you need. We know better what yon ought to haTe that the action of the subcommittee of the House, based as it than you do, and we do not propose to give you the assistance was upon hearing the testimony given by the representatives of and the aid and the help which you think you ought to ba,e." the Shipping Board, and carefully considering all that testi They would be justified in saying, •• w·e will have to gi\'e up." mony, is entitled to far greater weight upon a matter of this A~ a matter of fact, if we do not do what these men reasonably importance than the action of the House itself. think we ought. to do to uphold their hand and help them, and :Mr. KING. The Senator can not contend that it was entitled they make a failure, they can Yery well say that Con(J'ress was to far greater weight than the action of the subcommittee of the to blame for the failure, and that the board were not."' I would Senate. like to ee them put in such a position that, when an accountinc:r Mr. JONES of Washington. I am not questioning the action is made, if there is a failure, we can Jay the cause of the failur: · uf the subcommittee of the Senate; but it is true, and the Sen at their doors. ator from New Mexico will bear me out in the statement, that . that subcommittee did not give to the matter the extended con 1\lr. JONES of New Mexico. )lr. President-- sideration that the House committee did in this whole Shipping The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Does the Senator from L'tab Board proposition. The House committee took testimony for yield to the Senator from ~ew ::llexico? weeks, four or five hundred pages in length, and while it may Mr. KING. I yield. be that the subcommittee of the Senate arrived at a fairer and 1\lr. JOJ\TES of New Mexico. I do not care to. discu~s this a juster conclusion th..w the House, yet my judgment is that matter at pre ent, but I think I ought to ay, in connection with there is not a Senator here who, if be had in his charge a. busi- the remarks of the Senator from Washington, that the testi . ness of a hundredth part of the value and the intricacy of this mony which was taken by the House ubcomrnittee was all Shipping Board business, would hesitate for one moment on a before the subcommittee of the enate when · it was consider- question of an eleven-thousand~dollar or a fifteen-thousand-dol ing this question. , lar salary for one, two, or half a dozen men,-or more than that. l\1r. K.ING. :Mr. President, everybO-dy concedes the impor :Mr. KING. I would like to say to the Senator that I have tance of the work assigned the Shipping Board. Few persons made inquiries, and it 1s my opinion that if Judge Payne had are satisfied with its record; most persons believe that 1·ecord is remained with the Srupping Board six months longer he would -very bad. T.bere are many who belie\e that no matter what have settled all of the claims thus far handled and settled by reforms may be wrought the work of the board will pro\e dis the new regime and most of those not yet disposed of; and· it is appointing ancl its attempt to operate a merchant fleet will con also my opinion that his adjustments and settlements would tinue to be a frightful expense and a colossal failure. Billions have been of greater advantage to the Government than those ha\e been lost and hundreds of millions more will be swallowed effected by the new legal department. up in this monumental failure. Of course, the present board The Srupping Board was in a chaotic condition when Judge are not chargeable with the defaults of their predecessors. They Payne was called to its aid. He was making great changes inherited a situation which called for men of courage and abil·· and working great reforms when he ~vas named to succeed ity, and those now in control are entitled to fair treatment and Secretary Lane in the Interior Department. The new adminis a reasonable opportunity to demonstrate what they can do. tration has received millions of money from appropriations and Congre. s and the country have been patient with the new now asks. $150,000,000 more. administration of the Shipping Board. There has been a sin ::\-Ir. JO::L\TES of w·ashington. The Senator can get into no con cere desire to see some improvement and to discuss evidence troYer. y with me over what Judge Payne might have done or that the huge investment of three and a half billions of dollars lvould have done or anything of the kind. Nevertheless I have will not be entirely lost. It was thought that there would be my own opinion a to what the results would have been, and I an end to the demands for appropriations to keep alive this believe the GoTernment of the United States would have been inert and clum y object, kno·wn as the Government-owned mer out millions and million. of dollars which it is going to save by chant marine and Emergency Fleet Corporation. But we are pruper action now. doomed to disappointment. l\Iillions follow millions-the huge I think I know what I am talking about, because I have been creature seems unappeasable. Its appetite for food from the in close touch with the Shipping Board organization during the taxpayers of the country is insatiable. This bill carries directly la t three or four years. I know something about how these and indirectly $150,000,000. And, of cour e, there is no assur matters have been . ettled, and .I know something about what ance that further appropriations will not be made. IndeC(l. I the Go\'ernment has lost by reason of action which has been believe that e-very Senator expects that the . Treasury will be taken in the past; but it is in the past, and it is gone, and I am called upon to meet further demands from the Shipping Boara. not going to spend any time upon it. What I want Congress There are fewer ships controlled by the Shipping Board en to do is to look in the face the condUions which confront us. gaged in ocean traffic than there were one year ago. The new The record show - the \ery large number of suits which are administration has tied more ships to the docks and evolved a pending, involving hundreds of millions of dollars of claims costly and extensive organization. The Senator from Wa. h Hgainst the GoveTnment, which must be defended by attorneys. ington yesterday spoke with enthusiasm of its "achievements." It may be that they can be properly defended by attorneys get I am interested to find out what they are. There may be impor ting $3,000 or $4,000. It may be that fi\e or six: such attorneys tant gains secured by the new regime. I hope so. I am anxious can look after thi ' business. I want to say that if I had this to percei\'e them. The country will be glad to obtain their 2448 CONGRESSIONAL . RECORD-SENATE. FEBRUARY 11,- benefits. The gains and achievements are so important to the anyway, Mr. President. I move to amend the Senate amend country that we must appropriate directly more than $100,- ment as I ha>e suggested. 000DOO at a time when the couutry is burdened with debt and ~he PRESIDENT pro tempore. The motion i not in order the people are groaning beneath the heavy Federal and State untll there is a reconsideration of the vote by which the amend tux exactions, and, in addition, grant the board the authority ment was agreed to. to u ·e $55,000,000, which is _due from >arious Go>ernments, in Mr. KING. I took it for granted that it was ahYays tlte cluding the United States, and corporations. rule where Senators were called out on official business as I In other words, $155,000,000 more must be poured into the ~vas, attending another committee meeting, aml an amen~lmen.t cavern which has drawn approximately three and a half billions IS passed, to reconsider the vote pro forma . from the people. However, I desire to do no injustice to any Mr. WARREN. I understood from what the Senator stated of those now connected with the administration of the Ship that ~e did not vote for the amendment. r thought he asked ping Board or the Emergency Fleet Corporation. I feel certain unanimous consent that the vote be reconsidered, and I sup that there are men of the highest character connected with posed he had received it. I appeal to the Chair to know these organizations, and that they are endeavoring to bi'ing to w~ether the Senator asked unanimous consent. a uccessful conclusion the enterprise in which they are en :rhe PRESIDEN'I pro tempore. The Senator from Utah witll gaged. draws his motion to reconsider, and asks unanimous consent But I doubt the wisdom of some of their policies, and ..·ee dif that the vote by which the committee amendment was agreed ficulties, if not defeat, in their pathway. to shall be reconsidered. I there objection? The Chair hear Knowing that the people will n{)t be willing to have the pres none, and the vote is reconsidered. ent unsatisfactory condition continued, a propaganda is being Mr. KING. I move to amend the committee amemlment bv wag-ed to secure the passage of an act to gi"\'e subsidies to adding at the close thereof tile following words: · American ships. It is felt by some, doubtless, that subsidies But no compensation or salary shall exceed $25,000. to priyately owned ships . will be less objectionable than a con Mr. WARREN. ·I shall ask for a division. That i a pri,-ilege tinuation of a policy which locks ships in the harbors and Yotes always accorded. _ tens of millions from the Treasury annually to meet the ex)_)enses The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Secretary will state the of keeping up ah expensive organization. amendment proposed by the Senator from Utah. Mr. President, I have carefully read all of the te. timony. The ASSISTANT .SECRl!.""TABY. On page 33, line 25, to add at the taken by the various committees of the House and Senate ~nd of the committee amendment, the part to be inserted, the relating to the Emergency Fleet Corporation and the Shipping rollowing words : Board:_testimony covering hundreds, if not thousands of pages, But no compen ation ot· salary shall exceed $2u,OOO. anll extending over a period of more than foul' years-and I can not help but feel that no activity of the United States has Mr. JONES of New 1\fexico. On_that I ask for tlle yeas and eYer been so wasteful and extravagant as that which relates to nays. the construction and operation of the ships controlled by the Mr. WARREN. I hope the Senator does not want tlle con Shipping Board. . sideration of the bill to go oYer for another day. During the past week I have r.ead the testimony taken by the 1\fr. JO~~S of ~ew Mexico. I feel rather keenly about thi::; . House Appropriations Committee, consisting of several hundred amendment . pages, and I can not reach any other conclusion than that there Mr. WARRE.N. If the Senator wants to force the bill over to is now extravagance in the Shipping Board. It is too finely another day, of course he has that right. organized; there are, in my opinion, needless employee ·and l\Ir. JO~"'ES of New Mexico. I am very anxious to accommo many persons who are receiving compensation greatly in ex date the distinguished Senator from Wyoming. ce.-~ of what is fair and reasonable. Mr. WARREN. I want to say to the Senator that it is hardly I might say in passing that an examination of tllis volume a per ·onal accommodation to me. We must have an end of these "·hieh I have before me, beginning with the statement of l\fr. measures in order to keep up with the work befo1·e our com- Lasker. at page 798, and concluding on page 1175, shows that mittee. · there is such an arrangement of the testimony, of the data, and The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Senator from New Mex the figures that it is very difficult- to ascertain with any degree ico demands the yeas and nays on the amendment offered by the of certainty just what the board has done and is doing and what Senator from Utah. the <:o.·ts of operation are. Mr. JONES of New 1\le:x:ico. I do not know that I shall insi. t If it were not so late, I should call attention to the vast upon the demand. I ask for a division. number of organizations, assistants, heads of unnumbered de The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Senator from New Mex partments or divisions of employees, officials, big and little, ico demands a division. great and small, but always numerous, the large amounts which l\lr. WARREN. I understand the question to oe on the they receive, the enormous expenditures made, for the purpose amendment offered by the Senator from Utah to the committ e of impre sing upon _the Senate, if I could, how insincere oi·, at amendment? lea. -t, how inaccurate are the claims of economy in connection The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Yote is about to be taken with the present administration of the Shipping Board and how on the amendment proposed by the Senator from Utah to the hollow and worthless are the protestations that the administra committee amendment. tion in power is devoted to economy and reform. 1\Ir. KING. Which would pre>ent the payment of more than 1\Ir. President, I shall say no more upon this particular item. $25~000 to any one person as compensation. I . ball not call for a quorum, because most of the Senators have On a division, the amendment to the amendment was rejected. gvue home owing to the lateness of the hour, although I shall The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The question is now npou ask for a vote. Before the >ote is taken I should like to be agreeing to the committee amendment. a<1vi. ·ed by the Senator having the bill in charge whether he Mr. KING. l\lr. President., I move· to strike out, in line ~!. . will accept as an amendment to the committee amendment the page 33, the word " thirteen " and insert in lieu thereof the wor with a silly effort by the distinguished junior Senator from 1\Ir. 'V ARREN. And they will collect perhaps less tllis year, Missouri I shall make one more effort. so there is really only $50,000,000 appropriated for the Shipping Let rue say that under the present law a number of officials Board, other than the amount invol\ed in the claims. of the Shipping Board are obtaining $35,000 salaries. Those Mr. KING. I am not quite sure of all the deductions to be who have \Oted against the amendments which I have sug- drawn from the statement of the Senator. I call attention to gested apvrove of that course. There is no limitation. The the testimony of l\fr. Montgomery, the expert for the Shipping Shipping Board could pay $50,000 if they desired to do so, but Board, ::md it is practically the same testimony as that given in their desire for economy and in the plentitude of their by 1\Ir. Lasker. It is found on page 142 of the hearings before merC;\' for the poor taxpayers of the United States they have the Ho~e Committee on Appropriations, Sixty-:;;eventh Con- . restricted it to $35,000. - gress, first session. We find there at the time this testimony I :::hall make one more effort which my friend will denominate was given, or at least on June 20, 1921, a statement of estimated as silly. I moYe to add at the close of line . 25, page 33, the quick assets consisting of cash on hand $36,143,83~; notes aml following: accounts, foreign Governments, $31,400,000; United States GoY- But no compensation or salary shall exceed :po,ooo, anu that ernment departments, $15,300,000; United States relief organi- amount shall not be paid to exceed three persons. zation, $900,000; vessel purchasers, $143,700,000; individuals, The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The question i · on the · firms, and corpora.tions, $96,?00,000! inYestments and loans, 1 a~endi:nent proposed by the Senator from Utah to the com- ~~b·ggg:ggg.; materials, supplies, shil •. tores, and o forth, m1ttee amendment. ~ . . The amendment to the amendment was rejected. So that on June 30 of last year there were qmck. assets m • 1\Ir. KING. 1\fr. President, I desire to congratulate the people th~ J:~nds of ~Ir. Lasker, ~r of the board, ag~e.gatmg $?00, of tlJe United States upon haYing here such faithful guardians 44v,8n;. That 1 ~ a fund which has been :.;ua~e avml~ble for t~~ who protect the interests of the people and the oppressed tax- purpo~e 0 ~ meetmg the expenses of the Shippmg Boaid. That IS payers. made available ~~ the extent of the cp.sh on hand, plus $55,- Tbe PRESIDENT pro tempore. The question is on agreeing 00~· 000 : In a?dttlon to that fund we are now asked to appro- to the committee amendment, which will be stated. priate 111 cash $100,000,000; and- The llEADI ~a CLERK. On page 33, after line 20, insert the For expenses of the United States Shipping Board EmNgency Fleet f . Corporation during the fiscal year ending .June 30, 1923, for adminis- 0 11 owmg: trative purposes, miscellaneou~ adjustments, losses due to the main- ~ot more than 13 officers or employees, including 7 attorne)·s, of. terrance and operation of ships, for the tie-up, reconditioning and re thc United states Shipping Board or tbe united States Shipping Board pair ot ships, and for carrying out the provisions of the merchant Emer~ency Fleet Corporation shall be paid an annual salat·y or com- marine act, 1920, (a) the amount on hand .July 1, 1922; (b) pen.·ation in exce!"s of $11,000. $50,000,000. The amendment was agreed to. The amount on hand July 1, 1922, I presume would be $36,- ?\Ir. HARRISON. 1\Ir. President, of course we cUd not ask for 000,000, plus the $50,000,000 cash which we are now called upon a yea-and-nay vote on that question, but it pains us to the to appropriate. Then follows the $55,000,000 to which my wry core to think that of all the distinguished Republicans motion is directed. who are present on the other side only one, the junior Senator Then on page 3~ for tbe payment of claims, damage charges, from Nebraska [Mr. NoRRIS], Yoted with the solid phalanx: on and miscellaneous adjustments, authorized under the provisions this .·ide of the aisle to help the taxpayers of the country and of the merchant marine act, 1920, _we as asked to appropriate to repudiate these extr~vagant expenditures of money, $50,000,000 more. So that, as I stated at the outset, the bill The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The question now is on the carries appropriations amolmting to $155,000,000, plus. amendment passed oYer on page !3, line 19, which will be What has become of these assets, these quick and liquid stated. assets? It may be responded that they have not been collected. l\Ir. KING. I would like to challenge attention to the item 1Ve were told by Mr. Montgomery and Mr;. Lasker, when they which we have been considering, namely, the Shipping Board testified last year, that there was a Yast amount of materb.l; f]Jn<.l. I can recur to it after disposing of the item just sug- ~upplies, ships' stores, and so forth, on hand which would be ge ted by the Chair, if it is preferred by the chuirnran of the available for sale and that the proceed· deri\ed therefrom, as committee. I wanted to moYe and shall move to strike out I recall the testimony-, could be utilized in paying some of the all of item (d) on page 32. claims against the Government. These materials were estimated Mr. WARREN. Has the Senator obtained leave to reconsider to be \vorth $90,000,000. the Yote by which that amendment was agreed to? What has become of that $90,000,000? What bas become of the l\Ir. KING. I ask unanimous consent, in view of the fact $36,000,000 of cash on hand, plus the larger appropriation car that this item was previously disposed of, to reconsider the vote ried in the former deficiency appropriation bill, the amount of by which the amendment in line 2, page 32, was agreed to. which I have just forgotten? What has become of the sum due The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Is there objection? The from foreign Governments amounting to $31,400,000? What has Chair hears none, and the vote by which that amendment was become of the $15,300,000 due from various departments of the agreed to is reconsidered. GoYernment of the United States to the Shipping Board? Have 1\fr. KING. I now moYe to strike out the item (d), found on those amounts been collec.ted? page 3~, which provides- What has been collected from the purchasers who were owing anu (d) $55,000,000 from moneys collected from mortgages, leases, to the Government $143,700,000? What has become of the accounts and bills receivable other than those arising from current $96,000,000 due to the Shipping Board from individuals, firms, operations, and from moneys collected from the sale of ships, plants, t' ? F' h d d '11 d material, securitie!!t and other assets, prior to .July· 1, 1923, less such and corpora wns r\e un re m1 ion ollars were there as portion of said $5o,ooo,ooo which shall have been collected during the quick, liquid, available assets. ·What disposition has been made fiscal yeat• 1922 under the provisions of nn act entitled "An act making of them? appropriations for sundry civil expenses of the Government tor the fiscal year ending .June 30, 1922, and for ot.her purpo es," npproved Mr. President, we are asked to make this eno1·mous appro· March 4, 1921. priation in the face of the testimony which was gi\en at -the The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair is of the opinion former hearing which indicated, as I recall, that the demands that the amendment is not in order. The que tion is on agree- to be made upon the GoYernment for future appropriations ing to the committee amenclment. would be very much less than those which are sought by the 1\Ir. KING. I stated the matter conversel3·. vending bill. I do not propose to be hurried in the presentation of this 1 can not understand the attitude of Senators allowing -these matter very briefly. This item gives to the Shipping Board enormous appropriations to go through without due considera $55,000,000. On the preceding page we appropriate $100,000,000, tion. We are asked to appropriate, and we do appropriate so that, if I read the bill correctly-and if my interpretation without discussion, $155,000,000 for this agency which has is \Yrong, I hope I shall be corrected by the chairman of the already consumed money out of the Treasury to the amount of committee-we are called upon to appropriate and do appro- more. than $3,350,000,000 or $3,400,000,000. I should like some priate $155,000,000 to the Shipping Board for the coming year. explanation, aside from the necessity of making the appropria- Mr. WARREN'. Fifty million dollars of that amount is for tion, why "~ should be willing to make an appropriation of the settlement of adjusted claims. There is only $50,000,000 this character, leaving it to the individuals in charge of the outside of the $55,000,000, and that $55,000,000, or collections board to which the appropriation is made to utilize it as they thereon, is provided for in the law of l:lst year. They have see fit. If these -vast sums are due, they should be collected. collected only a small amount. and turned into the Treasury, and then Congress should make l\fr. KING. They ha>e collecteti between five and six million appropriations, so that it would h."'TTOW jn ~ t exactly what it is dollars. I called upon to appropriate. 2450 COJ: GRESSIO T---~L 1\.ECORDL_SENA'IE.. FEBRUARY 11" As I ha-ve indicated, it apparentl;y ~ eems to i}e the purpo e of lll:r. 'VARREN. l\Ir. Pre. ident, there . ·eem to be two angle the committee to treat the . -oo,ooo,ooo of available assets. as to the situation now. One is a misunder tanding with the en a ;fund which may be used by the Shipping Board without mak ator from Arkansas, for whonr I ha\e great re pect. I would ing due retur.n.g to Congress or, at any rate, cover•ing any of dislike very mucf1 to . eem to offend any of the proprieties. the e fund· into the T.reasury of tlre United States. It seems: Fm·thermore, another Senat<>r propose that he will have to call to me that it is unwise to give such authority to any agency of for a quorum, which he know · a nd 'Ye all know will take a very the Government, no matter how competent or efficient or honest long time. that agency may be. l\fr. KING. A. number of enator~ left llere witll the under If . 55,000,000 i. due the Government- and that and a great . tanding, which has been expre · ed and it will. be only fair to ueal more is due--it ought to be collected and turned into the them that they be recalled if that understanding is not ad Treasury of the United State . Then if\ve ha\e got to make hered to. appropriation. for tllis great organization, whose demands seem Mr. 'VABREN, Let the amendment go out. If tllere j one to be insatiable, we ought to make the appropriations deliber attribute that I want to e tablish here beyonu others, it is at ely from the Treasury of the United States, with full knowl fairnes on.. my part in the conduct of the appropriation bills edge of the burdens and the liabilities and, of course, of the which. happen to be in my charge. While I believe that the 11urpo es for which the money is to be usedA Civil Service Connnis.sioners should have the amount proposed I ask the Senate, 1\Ir. Pre iclent, to reject this amendment, by the amendment, and even $7,500, as estimated:-not· the in which gives to the Shipping Board the authority to use 55,- ~ d.i>iduaLc:; particularly, but" the offices, and while they are occu 000,000 without any super ·sory power from any agency of the pying the offices-at the same time we seem to bema position Government a · well as the , 100,000,000 which we are aslred to where we will have to pass it over. and make the increases • nppropriate by the blil. when we come to the efficiency rating measure, which wil~ I The PRESHHNG OFFICER. The question is on agref>ing to presume, comprehend all salaries up to those of Cabinet officers. the amendment of the committee. So I will permit the amendment to be rejected, and shall hope The amendment was agreed to. to reach it in another way at a later date. Mr. HARRISON. Mr. President, I ask Ulianimous consent to The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The question is on agreeing reconsider the vote by which the amendment was adopted on to· the amendment reported by the committee. pa He also pr ;;euteu a memorial of the executive committee of Department of AgricultUl'e to anuthf'r drpartment, which WNe the National A. ociation of Ice Cream Manufacturers, of ~ew referred to the Committee on Agriculture anll ForestrJ·. Ha\en, Conn., remon trating against the enactment of the so called soldiers' bonu. bill, which was referred to the Committee .1!: 'ROLLED BTLLS AKD .JOl T RrrSOl.l.~TlO:-\, PI:E F.!XTED. on Finance. - Mr. SUTHERLAND, from the 'omruittee on Enrolled Bllls, He also presented petitions of GOO employees of the Bridge reported that on February 10, 1922, they pre ·enteu to the Presi port Brass Co. and 339 employees of the Wallace-Barnes Co., of dent of the United Stares nrolled bills and joint re olutions Bristol, both in the State of Connecticut, praying for inclusion of the follo"ing title. : ·of the American valuation plan in the pending tariff bill o as S. 1831. An act to amend . ection 237 oi' the Judicial Code; to maintain the American standard of living for workers, 'vhich . 2124. An act to relinqui h, relea e, remise, ancl quitclaim were referred to the Committee on Finance. all right, title, :u:J.d. interest of the United States of America in He also. p1·esented a telegram in the nature of a petition from nnd to all the lands contained within sections 17 and 20, town R. S. Baldwin,· committeeman, State Dairymen·. League, of ship 3 south, range 1 west, St. Stepllens meridian, Alabama; · Hartfo1·d, Conn., praying for the enactment of tlte so-called S. 2468. An act proYiding for the sale and disposal of public .Volstead-Capper bill for cooperative marketing of farm products lands within the area J1eretofore surveyed as Tenderfoot Lake, as it passed the House of Re:presentati ves which was orderetl to State of Wi-sconsin; lie on the table. S. 2802. An act to amend an act entitled "An act for the He also presented the petition of A. W. Honywill, jr., A.meri retirement of employees in tile cla · ified ciYil senice, and for can Society of Mechanical Engineers, of Hartford, Conn., pray other purposes,·• approYed May 22, 1920; ing for the enactment of the so-callec1 Lampert Patent Office S. 2994. An act to reviTe and reenact the act entitled "An act bill, which was ordered to lie on the table. to authorize tile Gulf Ports Termina.l Railway Co., a corporation Mr. LADD presented .a resolution adopted !Jy the - rorth na existing under the laws of the State of Flolida, to construct a kota Farm Bureau Federation, of Fargo, N. Dak., faYoring an bridge o'fer and aero ;~ the headwaters of 1\Iobile Bay and uch appropriation of $15,000 for investigation of the manufacture ·navigable channels as are between the east side of the bay and of flax straw into pn.per and pulp, which wa referred to the Blakely Island, in Baldwin antl Mobile Counties, Ala.," approved Committee on Agriculture and Forestry. October G, 1917; He also presented a resolution adopted at a meeting of the S. J. Res. 99. Joint resolution providing a site upon public Sauter Federnl Land Loan Association, at Brocket, .X. Dak., grounds in t.he city of ·washington, D. C., for the erection of a . tatue of Dante; and faYoring the enactment ()f l~oislation reviving the GoYernruent Grain Corporation so as to stabilize price on certain farm S. J. Rc8. 1.40 ..Joint resolution relatiYe to payment of tuition products, which was referred to the Committe-e on Agriculture for Indian <:l1i1drcn enrolled in Montana . 'tate public · hools. and Forestry. nELA W 1\.RE RIVER BRIDGE. He a1 o presented the petitions of N. 0. Peter 'on auu 14 :.\Ir. C.A.LDI~R I a.sk unanimous consent to report back faYor others of Turtle Lake, .A.. L. Loudenback anrl 1D otl1ers of ably from the Committee on Commerce House bill 9931, extend Amidon and vicinity, P. F. ·wolf and 189 other· of Hague and ing' the time for completing' the construction of a bridge over the vicinity, Jack Hendrick and 12 other of S~u~h. Heart, B . .J. Delaware River and to submit a report (No. 491) thereon. The Kramme and 38 others of Honeyford and Vlctmty, and P. J. passage of this bill is very urgently desired by the Senators Hutton and 34 others of Reeder, all in the State of ~orth Da from Penn ylvania. It is the regular routine permission with kota, praying for the ena~tment of 1egisl~~on r~vi.'>·ing the regard to the construction of bridges, and I ask unanimon. con Government Grain Corporation, so as to tabilize pnce · on cer ., ent for its present consideration. tain farm products, which were referred to the Committee on The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The. enator from New ~ork Agricultur~ and Forestry. asks unanimous consent for the pre ent consideration of the Mr. LODGE presented a resoluton adopted by the executive bill. Is there objection? committee of the Ma sachusetts Fed~ration of Churches, at There being no objection, the Senate, as in Committee of the Boston, Mass., fa\oring prompt ratification J~y !he ~enate of the Whole, proceeded to consider the bill, which was Tead, a. fol treaties neuotiated by the Conference on Lumtatlon of Arma lows: ment, which was referred to ommitt£'e on Foreign Rela- th~ Rc it enacted, etc ..• That the time for completing the construction of tions. . the bridge authorized by act of Congress approved August 24, 1912, to He also presented a re olution adopted !Jy lhe city couuc1l of be built by the Pennsylvania Railroad Co. a.n!l the Pennsylvania & New Lynn, Mass., fa\·oring the ena~tm<.>nt of l~gi lation .for the ark Railroad Co. across the Delaware River near the city of Trenton, N . .r., which ha het·etofore been extended. by Congress to August 24, deportation of all aliens who clarmed x rnptwn from tue draft 19!L, is hereliy extended for a further penod of three years from the on the "Touud that they were aliens and who rendered no mili last-named date. tary se~vice to their own countrief:, wbicll was referr~d to the Sr:c. 2. That the right to alter, amend, ~r repeal tbi act i hereby ";ommittee on Immigration. expressly reserved. 3Ir. CAPPER presented a resolution adopted by Di tision -"o. The bill wa · reported. to the Senate without amendment, or 214 International Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineer , of dered to a third. rcaclino·, read the third time, and pa. ed. Ch~nute, Kan ., faToring the passage of Senate bil! 2901, pro BILLS INTI:ODUCED. vidino- for re toration of the excess-profits tax, which was re Bills were introduced, read the first time, and, by unanit'nou:s ferred to the Committee on Finance. consent, the second time, and referred as follow ·: · He also pre ented a resolution adopted by Division No. 422, By l\Ir. BALL: International Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers, of Good A bill ( S. 3138) to provide for the appointment of commis land, Kans., favoring the passage of Senate bill 290~, provi~ing sioners of the Public Utilities Commission of the District of for restoration of the excess-profits tax, and protesting agamst Columbia, and for other purposes ; and the enactment of the so-called Yolk bill, pro'fiding for the im A bill ( S. 3139) to license insurance broker , agent , ancl po ·ition of a general sale tax, which wa referred to the Com solicitors in the Di::;trict of Columbia., and for other purpo.-e ; mittee on Finance. to the Committee on the District of Columbia. H also preseuteti a resolution adopted by Baxter Post, No. By Mr. McN..tillY: 123 Gl'an