Interview with Bob Fordyce - 29Th January 1990
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/ I INTERVIEW WITH BOB FORDYCE - 29TH JANUARY 1990 Bob Fordyce's Address: 39 East 72nd street New York, New York, 10020 Side A. A: (UNINTELLIGIBLE 016/018) is quite old but it's the most recent one I have. Q: What I'd like to do is take you through and just see, you just tell me what you remember of a flight on the Boeing 314. Where I would like to start, if you could cast your mind back, because you flew from Port Washington to Southampton on the 314.. A: Well, there were varied routes, but yes, that was one of them. Q: OK. The one I'm interested in is the one, the flight between Port Washington and Southampton. And where I'd like to start, - I'm more interested in the return flight on that route. So where I'd like to start, see if you can think of corning into land at Southampton. Let's try and start there. So you would have crossed the Atlantic, you would have landed in Ireland, refuelled at Foynes, taken off again. It would probably be a Sunday morning, you would take off again from Foynes and then you would corne down at Southampton. That's where my story starts with the plane corning down in Southampton. So that's where I'd like to start. Now first of all were you the engineer. A: No, they had a rather complicated crew set up here. Actually they had a double crew on those longish flights so they could get some rest. Q: So tell me everybody who would have been in the crew. A: Well, that's what I was looking for this morning•.. but anyway one of them would be the Captain, first officer, the Roger Fordyce - p2 so called second officer who was actually the navigator and that was a full time job because there was one navigator for the whole flight.. Q: OK, and one captain for the whole flight or two? A: One. There was a ... Q: The second officer was the navigator. A: Yeah, he was the full time navigator; actually normally it was a pilot, also the co-pilot who .. Q: But the first officer and the co-pilot pilot would be doubled. There would two of each? A: No. The captain and the first officer, one of each. The first officer would relieve the captain for rests. Q: The second officer? A: The second officer and the navigator, that was the specialised one, he was normally the pilot, co-pilot pilot. And there wasn't much navigating except across the ocean. There was a third officer who served as co-pilot pilot for either the captain or the first officer.. If there was a fourth officer, there may have been on some ... Q: The fourth officer would have been a co-pilot? A: Yeah. Actually everbody except the captain is a co-pilot so to speak...•. (UNINTELLIGIBLE 120/125) .... and there were two engineers. First engineer and second engineer.. Q: And they relieved one another? A: They relieved one another. It has changed since then in recent years ... (UNINTELLIGIBLE 131) Q: It's the set up in 1939 that I'm interested in. A: The rest were flight service.• Roger Fordyce - p3 Q: Sorry.. A: The rest of the crew were flight service. Both stewards and stewardesses I don't know whether they concern you or not, it's your book. Q: There were two stewards normally weren't there. No? A: At that time there were stewards. I don't think they yet had females. There were three to four. Q: Did they work shifts? They must have had shifts. They couldn't have worked twenty four hours could they? A: Yeah, they had shifts. But I don't exactly how they worked. Q: There would have been two of them on duty at anyone time? A: I would think so. Q: Let me show you, .• let's see if we've got a plan of the flight deck here ••• A: How did you happen to get interested in this? Q: Well, I was at the marine terminal at La Guardia in the summer and they had a little exhibition there showing it. And it just struck me that it would be good background for one of my stories. A: I was very much intrigued with your .. (UNINTELLIGIBLE 173) I thought it was wonderful. Quite a character you had in that girl. Q: This is the plan of the flight deck .. A: Yeah, well, here's the pilot and the co-pilot. The stairwell coming here; the navigator is here, the flight engineer is here and this is the .... Q: This is baggage .• A: Yes, that's probably••• yeah, sure. .. (UNINTELLIGIBLE 185/7) •• big open space and everything. Roger Fordyce - p4 Q: Really? Would there be bags in these.• A: No, it would be outside the wings. I think. Q: These are baggage. 4S and 4P are baggage compartments in thee wings. And these are baggage compartments that I understand are accessible from inside the plane•. A: Yes, that's right. But they were rarely used, at the least the flights I had. We used to use them, oddly enough, for dropping what we called drift bombs, which were either flares at night or a flask container about this big, full of powdered aluminium and you used to drop them through a whole about here. Then we'd follow them with a ... bottom of the glass was hinged onto the deck so we could see where the plane was drifting to the left or the right. It was helpful for dead reckoning. In other words dead reckoning was not very good. Flare direction finding was not very good. Q: Let me get this straight. So within these luggage compartments, there was a door to the exterior? A: Yeah. These ~uggage compartments were part of the wing. Q: And would that be on the deck, underneath you, this door? A: Yeah, it would be on the deck, about where you feet are. Q: So you could open it. This was when you were on the water ... A: No, it's when you are in the air. You see we didn't have the kind of navigational equipment we have now, by any means, so we were dependant on sun sights, star sights and dead reckoning. Well, this little gadget here, it was called a drift sight, drifting to the left and right, so you could measure the angle which presumably the wind was blowing you from the course you were steering. And with a (UNINTELLIGIBLE 249) ... you were drifting either left or right. As an aid to navigation. Your .. (UNITELLIGIBLE 252) .... would say ten degrees drift ... (UNINTELLIGIBLE 253) Roger Fordyce - p5 Q: Now how big is this door? A: Oh it's .. (UNINTELLIGIBLE 255) Q: About a foot square? A: Yeah. Q: About a foot square. There was .. - the navigator had an observation dome didn't he? A: Yes, he had, ... (UNINTELLIGIBLE 259) ..• it was about here. Maybe it was there. I don't remember. Q: Maybe in the middle of these compartments? A: It could have been there, Yes. Q: Was there anything, was there a wall or curtain separating these three berths at the back on the flight deck. Were there doors along here, or curtains? A: I don't think these berths were ever used, ever set up. We used to use the forward compartment down here for the crew rest. Q: The crew must have slept on these flights. A: Oh sure. Q: How long did you work on and off? Was it four hours on, fours off, eight hours on? A: No I think it was about two and two. Q: Two hours on and two hours off? A: Yeah. Well, you had two hours in the cockpit and you had two hours in the bunk down here. It was an optional r}rig. If you had a .... , it was just optional, partly they way that everbody felt. Q: No hard and fast rules? Roger Fordyce - p6 A: ~. Q: Now then what was your role? A: That one, I must have been third officer. Q: Third officer serves as co-pilot for the captain or the first officer. So you would have been a co-pilot. Now if you had been... what would you have been doing when the plane landed at Southampton? A: Well generally, normally it depended on how much experience everbody had. Normally it would have been the captain and the first officer. And either the captain was back for the landing or in Southampton where we didn't land very often, or the first officer ... (UNINTELLIGIBLE 304/8) .•. and the captain asked you sometimes to take over to the First Officer otherwise everbody's never going to learn. Q: Can you remember landing at Southampton? You must have landed at so many places. A: Well, Southampton we landed rarely, extremely rarely. I forget how many flights there were a week. Say two a week, three a week, something like that. By the time we came here next time .... (UNINTELLIGIBLE 317/8) ... more frequently we went to Foynes. So although I remember one or two landings in Southampton, Q: See, I think what happened was, originally the plane went from Foynes to Southampton. But then when war broke out they stopped at Foynes. A: Yes, that's right. If you hadn't brought it up, I wouldn't have thought of it. Q: Yes, I think that must be the explanation of why you didn't see to many landings at Southampton.