105 Culling .Mention [ 29 APRIL 1970 ] to a matter of 106 urgent public importance THE MINIS' El OF STATE IN THE on the Table of the House. The Minister often MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRl says that the information is laid on the Table VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : (a I No, Sir. of the House. ;. (b) Does no a ise. MR.

SHRI PITAMBER DAS : That information 12 NOON may be made available to us. EXPRESSION OF SENSE OF RELIEF AT PRESIDENTS ESCAPE FROM MR. CHAIRMAN : I will look into it. But ACCIDENT IN BHUTAN so far as my information goes it is put in the desk of the Member.

MR. CHAIE M \N : Hon. Members HON. MEMBERS : No, no. must have n id in this morning's papers about tke accident which oc MR. CHAIRMAN : I will look into it. I curred in Bhuun. On behalf of the will make a statement about it later on. House I exprc ss distress at this acci dent and I ala » express an immense sense of reliei on the providential escape of the 'resident and the King of Bhutan. express grief at the CALLING ATTENTION TO A MATTER death of Shri Pankaj Sharma, a member of the OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Pr sident's party, who was involved in thai accident. I hope I am expressing i he feelings of the House. GROWING ACTIVITIES IN WEST BENGAL HON. MEMBERS-: Yes, Yes. ____

RE SUPPLY )I STATEMENTS TO MEMBERS R ELATING TO QUES- TIONS SHRI PIT vMBER DAS (Uttar Pradesh) : Sir I have a small submis- nj to make ind it is this. The question was raisi i sometime back also that the information with regard to the questions that are laid on the Table of the House, f hey are made available to the Memb' rs also, then it would :very much fa ilitate matters because they would bi prepared wjth the sup-plementaries. Tie practice prevailing in most of th: states, and I know definitely aboi t Uttar Pradesh, is that all the answe 5 that are to be orally given in the 1 rouse, all of them in the Tfen form re placed on the Tables of every THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Men ber of the House. That is the usual ; "ai MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ticc there. Even if we do not ic:ept the very VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : Mr. same practice, we s lojld evolve some such Chairman, Government are feeling deeply •method. The statements particularly should be concerned over the recent incidents of violence male available to all the Members beforehand. and vandalism committed by extremist ele- ments in West Bengal, particularly in Calcutta. MR. CHAIRMAN: Which statement.? Only day before yesterday there was a serious Answ :rs to questions ? incident in the Cossipore area of Calcutta when SHRI PIT/ MBER DAS : Regarding some extremists attacked a police jeep with questions the information is often laid high explosive bombs resulting in the death of the second officer in charge 107 Calling Attention [ RAJYA SABHA ] to a matter of 108 urgent public importance

[Shri Vidya Charan Shukla.] of the post MR. CHAIRMAN : You ask for and serious injuries to three others. That clarification. Gandhian literature, portraits of Gandhiji, Rabindra Nath Tagore, Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose and other national leaders had been SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA (West Bengal) : made the targets of attack is deplorable. It is Calling attention is sought to be turned into a unfortunate that some misled students got general anti-Communist propaganda. involved in such incidents even within the premises of educational institutions. We have impressed upon the State Government the SHRI JAGDISH PRASAD dangerous possibilities of a combination of MATHUR : 1 am in possession of the House. . . ideologies of violence with possession of arms and explosives. A well-planned and SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE (West Bengal) systematic drive has been undertaken for the : He has taken Chair's permission. . . recovery of arms and explosives in unlawful possession. The Calcutta Police have SHRI JAGDISH PRASAD recovered between 16th March and 15th April MATHUR : No, he has not. He is in the habit 537 bombs, 44 crackers, 814 rounds of of standing up. ammunition, 1.1 kg. explosives, 1 rifle, 5 country made guns. Extensive action has also been initiated to apprehend and deal with the miscreants under law. 29 arrests have been made in connection with recoveries of unauthorised arms, explosives, etc., in Calcutta alone. 66 others suspected to be involved in acts of violence and vandalism have been arrested in Calcutta. The State Gov- ernment will keep the pressure for energetic action by all administrative agencies concerned, so that conditions may become normal as quickly as possible. The State Government have been assured all assistance which they may need for dealing with politically motivated violence and vandalism. SHRI KALYAN ROY (West Bengal) : Sir, on a point of order. How is it relevant? We are here only talking about Naxalite activities. SHRI NIREN GHOSH (West Ben How is it relevant ? gal) : Is he seeking clarification ? What is the clarification ?

SHRI JAGDISH PRASAD MATHUR : I am seeking clarification from the Home Minister. What is the information about this ? 109 Calling A Utntion [ 29 APRIL 1970 ] to a matter of 110 urgent public importance MR. CHAIRMAN : I am concerned with the conduct of the business in the House. The business must jo on.

[MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair] MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Mr. Chitta Basu. SHRI CHITTA BASU (West Bengal) : The activities of the extremists of late have increased in dimension . . . SHRI NIREN GHOSH : Sir, how do you proceed in this matter ? MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : According to the list and one Member from each party, because the list is very long. SHRI MULKA GOVINDA REDDY SHRI A. I CHATTERJEE; Sir, it should not 1 e converted into a Jana Sangh parlour. -, i

(Mysore) : In the first round one Member from each party should be called. 111 Calling Attention [ RAJYA SABHA ] to a matter of 112 urgent public importance MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : It is SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA: Sir, a the procedure that we have been following in large number of Members have given the the House. If the list is very long, then we call Calling Attention Notice. It serves the purpose one representative from each party from the of a little discussion or asking clarification list. And after that we give chance to the from all shades of opinion. Suppose a Calling members belonging to the other parties not in Attention Notice is given by ten Members of the list. my party alone—it is quite conceivable—does it: mean that unless the ten party Members SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : When wish, nobody else should be called ? Does it the list is long, first of all, the Member who mean that Mr. Mishra should not be asked to gives notice, he is called. Then one from each seek clarification simply because his name party. After that, you go to the others again. does not appear there or fhe name of any Member of his party is not there ? MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : That ' is what I say. One from each party according to the MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Definitely, list and then we go to the other list. he will also be given a chance or his party will be given a chance but only after exhausting SHRI ARJUN ARORA (Uttar Pradesh) : this list. Mr. Chitta Basu. On a point of order. How long is 'long', because there have been instances—in this case it is only 30 names—where a Calling Attention Notice was given by 80 Members? How long is 'long' ?

SHRI NIREN GHOSH : Only from the list or otherwise ?

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : First, from the list.

SHRI NIREN GHOSH : From the list, it will not cover all. SHRI CHITTA BASU : Sir, the activities of the extremists of late have increased in MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : After the dimension and in form. But these activities are list is finished, we shall see. not peculiar to West Bengal alone; they are to be witnessed in different parts of th© country. SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE: Those Therefore, the situation requires analysis in Members of a party which has been found to depth, not in a superficial manner. Sir, the he accomplices in the murder of Gandfoiji, agrarian unrest which has been the cumulative they should not be allowed to raise the result of the criminal failure of the Govern- question of burning his picture. ment in the matter of distributing land, fallow {(Interruptions). or forest land, to the poor peasants and the landless agricultural labourers, their failure in MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Order, the matter of guaranteeing the minimum, order, please. living wages to the agricultural workers and a host of other agricultural problems in the countryside, all these provide the necessary background for the extremist activities of this nature. Again, Sir, there is growing unemployment in the urban areas. And the frustrated youth who have got nothing purposeful or meaningful in life are generally gravitated towards the high-flown phrase of class liberation and take to the path of SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Sir, individual terrorism or depredation or extraneous matters should not be brought in. vandalism of the worst type as we have been witnessing. In this back- DR. BHAI MAHAVIR (Delhi) : Sir, he should not be nermitted to rise like this. 113 Calling A Utntion [ 29 APRIL 1970 ] to a matter of 114 urgent public importance SHRI MAHITOSH PURAKAYASTHA ground, may I mow from the Government whether i has so far taken into account this (Assam) : May I know from the hon'ble Minister whether it is a fact that the Naxalite vi< w of the problem and sought to meet the activities got a spurt during the United Front situation. regime in West Bengal ? Is it not a fact that MR. DEPU1 Y CHAIRMAN : You during that United Front^regime, different should now pui the question. training centres were' set up in different places of West Bengal where these were trained for these guerilla activities ? Is SHRI CHIT A BASU : I have put the it not a fact that a large number of students question. feu should also listen to what I leaving their studies in colleges and say. Universities joined these camps, largest contingents being drawn from the North MR. DEPU1 Y CHAIRMAN : Yes. Bengal University of Siliguri ? Is it not a fact that these activities of high treason were SHRI CHIT "A BASU : My question was connived at by the United Front regime and whetl a in this context the Government hiis because of this these Nexalites were able to analysed the phenomenon in dept i and, if establish contacts with China so much so that so, whether it has also tak ;n certain concrete in China Indian currency notes have been measures in ter ns of tackling the problem printed. from a pt lit cal angle rather than from the angle of merely law and order. Sir, thi natter SHRI KALYAN ROY : It is very strong cannot be solved merely fror I he angle of in Cachar. law and order because i lis kind of a diehard or bureaucratic or traditional approach SHRI MAHITOSH PURAKAYASTHA : towards a poli ic il phenomenon cannot meet These notes have been circulating in the i ittation ; rather it will spell disaster. different parts of Assam and Bengal. If these are facts, may I know from the hon. Minister MR. DEPU" Y CHAIRMAN : Why what steps the Government have taken to meet the situation politically as well as do you not ask a question ? administratively ? SHRI CHI T\ BASU: May I know from SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : tht Government whether they have takt 1 i Sir, it is a fact that certain training centres serious view of this matter and tal en certain were set up and these activities were socio-economic measures to fight politically organised. 1 have already said that we have this dangerous idee ory of violence in this analysed this matter and we are trying to country ? tackle it at various levels. We will have to see that the land problem is tackled SHRI VIDY \ CHARAN SHUKLA : expeditiously, properly and efficiently. We While there h vc been failures of the have to see that the problem of poverty, the Government h re and there, I hope the hon. serious problem of refugees and the Mem er is not trying to justify the extn nist problems of the Calcutta city are also tackled activities in the country on w at he has stated effectively and in such a manner that will here. We have aire? iy stated that this ques- give hope for a speedy solution of a long- tion of extr mist activities in the country has standing problem. These are many things n any facets. It is not a one-sided que;- ion. It which will have to be considered. But we has got many facets and it 1 as to be handled will have to consider it from the Taw and in that manner. *We have also stated in this order angle also. It is not that the law and House that w> co not regard it as a merely order angle is not there. We have to see that law ai d order question. It has to be de: It anybody who violates law, who breaches with on many fronts and in a ver effective law, who tries to disturb an orderly society is manner. I must inform tiie hon. Member that punished according to law. That is also our we Tiave analysed this problem in the effort. greatest depth and, therefore, we have devised our o,/n strategy and we are trying to SHRIMATI PURABI MUKHO- employ that strategy in West Bengal. PADHYAY (West Bengal) : Sir, on a point of order. . . 115 Calling Attention [ RAJYA SABHA ] to a matter of 116 urgent public importance SHRI MAHITOSH PURKA- these people are keeping contacts with the YASTHA : I asked about their link with Chinese Embassy, which in a way,, is China. 1 want a specific answer on that. dangerous to the security and integrity of this country, will the Government declare this SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : party illegal ? This has already been stated in this House. Through the extremists in Assam some links SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : This were established with them. party is already illegal. There is no question of legality of such people who indulge in SHRIMATI PURABI MUKHO- vandalism. There is no question, therefore, of PADHYAY : May 1 be allowed to speak on a declaring it illegal when their actions are point of order ? The point raised by Mr. illegal. As far as the question of effective Purkayastha was not properly replied by the action is concerned. . . Minister in charge. . . {Interruption) {Interruption) MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Order, SHRI NIREN GHOSH: What is the point order. of order ? SHRI NIRANJAN VARMA : Is this. SHRIMATI PURABI MUKHOPADHYAY party illegal ? ; : My point of order is this. The Minister is trying to confuse the issue. It is not a question SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA ; Let of ordinary vandalism. It is a question of rne 'finish my statement. treason. I want a reply from the Minister. SHRI R. T. PARTHASARATHY MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : There is no (Tamil Nadu) : He said it is an illegal party. point of order. Mr. Nawal Kishore. Under what authority is this party an illegal authority ? SHRI NAWAL KISHORE (Uttar Pradesh): Mr. Deputy Chairman. . . SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : Mr. Parthasarathy should have a little SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : Anybody patience; otherwise what I am saying will pass sitting 18 years on the Treasury Benches loses over his head. What I was saying was that this the mental sharpness. party is indulging in illegal activities. There is SHRI NAWAL KISHORE: Mr. Deputy no question of recognising any party as legal Chairman, may I know what preventive or illegal. If anybody or any group of persons measures the Government have taken to is indulging in illegal action their activities are secure the life and property of the citizens, the regarded as illegal and no legality, is involved cultural and educational institutions and to in them. Nobody regards them as a recognised stop the destruction of the portraits of party. Mahatma Gandhi and his literature ? Secondly, is the Government aware that there SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : On a point of is a general feeling among a large section in order, Sir. Bengal that the Governor has close contact with the C.P.(M) leaders and all his activities MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : There is no are directly or indirectly helping the cause of point of order. C.P.(M) ? If so, may I know if the Government is prepared to recall Mr. Dhawan SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : The point is ? Thirdly, in view of the fact that these this. A party has to be declared illegal under a activities of vandalism of the extremists in * particular statute. It is not a question of the Bengal are not only confined to that State but Home Minister's own, personal predilections are spreading to the other States, Gujarat, or personal opinion. A party does not become Maharashtra, Punjab, Assam and so on and legal or illegal because he thinks so. I do not also Andhra Pradesh, and also understand why the hon'ble Home Minister should' mislead the House on this question even by saying that because a party indulge in illegal activities, therefore, it should be regarded as illegal. A 117 Calling A -ention [ 29 APRIL 1970 ] to a matter of 118 urgent public importance party cannot be declared illegal unless there is a party to be illegal, then, anybody who an Act under which alone it can be declarei belongs to that party, attracts the law of the illegal. land ; anybody who supports that party, attracts the law of the land. But that is not so SHRI VIDYA 3HARAN SHUKLA : How with the CP(M-L), whatever the Minister may a party bee onies legal or illegal, the hon'bie like to say. 1 want to know from the Men ber, Mr. Chatterjee, should understan i it Minister—because it is he who raised this, not clearly. If he knows this, he w 11 understand 1—whether they want to take any legal action how this party be oines illegal. The point that to illegalise this party. The moment you make tr J hon'bie Member raised was regarding the it illegal, then, every person who is a member effective action that was 1-eing taken to of that party or who supports that party, at- counteract their activities in Calcutta. I must tracts the law of the land. Anyway, I am not say that we hav: instructed the police force going into that now because it is for you to and the police administration in West Bengal reply to that. Mr. Deputy Chairman, in my io mobilise all the resources to see th it these opinion, these are misguided revolutionaries. people who are indulging in acts of vandalism There might be some anti-social elements of various kinds th t have been described in which are taking advantage of the situation. my main st teuent, are checked. The About that there is no doubt in my mind. If you subverting activity that we see may be a read the writings of Mr. Mazumdar and others, product ar 1 reaction of strong police action you will be sure that they are misguided revo- hit is being taken against them. lutionaries because they are very restive to Another charg that was made by the hon'bie bring about social changes for which this Membe was regarding the Governor of We ;t Government is responsible. And the most important thing that I want to know from the Bengal. It is wrong to say that he I particularly amenable to C.P.(M), or the C.P.(M) people Minister is how they want to tackle this are more in torn h with him than members of problem, the tactics which the Naxalites are other p ililical parties. Unless they have got sp adopting in West Bengal, the guerrilla type ciric charges and specific instances wh ;h can activities, the tactics of hit and run. They are prove these charges, it is u ifortunate that such not like the conspiratory and insurrectionary charges are ma< 2 against a head of a State. It activities where you can catch ther suspects is tru that during the last few years these and try them politically. Here they adopt violent, extremist, activities have spre, d to the guerrilla tactics. Suddenly some ten persons various parts of the country. As I said earlier, appear from somewhere and start attacking the if we analyse it an I see what the factors are people. They destroy buildings or beat some behind such unrest, behind such extremist persons, whether it is the Vice-Chancellor or activities, we will see that wherever such 1 some-body else, and then immediately tctors are present, such activities tend U crop disappear by the time the police arrives so that the police cannot take any counter measures. up there. As I said earlier, we JM trying to deal with them not only ii a law and order manner, In view of all this, whatever we may do for as a law a d order question, but also as a meeting them politically or otherwise, we socio- -conomic question, and I believe that th should do it and there are no two opinions s vill have to be tackled on all fron i, the about it because these Naxalite activities are socio-economic front as well as he law and not confined only to West Bengal, but they are order front. spreading to other places also. I want to know from the Minister what specific steps they are SHRI BAN<;A BEHARY DAS (Orissa) : I taking in West Bengal to deal with this an astonished to know from the Mini te • that problem, these hit and run tactics of the the so-called CP(M-L) is no bgal. I think he Naxalites. Secondly, some of the Universities has made a mistaki and to justify that he has and colleges in West Bengal, particularly in been speak n;: like that. What I want to say is Calcutta, are becoming breeding grounds for that no party in is required to b •; the Nexalite activities, more particularly, on registered so that you will refuse or reject its the University Campuses. It has become a very registration. Any party whit fi is not declared serious problem in the University Campuses of illeg ii under any pa ticular law, is legjl Calcutta. 1 want to know from the Minister because by imp! cation once you declare what

119 Calling Attention [RAJYA SABHA] to a matter 120 urgent public importance [Shri Banka Behary Das.] parties can be declared illegal, that is there for a specific purpose, for dealing with anti- steps he is taking along with the respective social elements, anti-social activities and university authorities to see that these other things, but that is another matter. But activities do not take place within the what I am explaining in this context is that Universities and colleges of Calcutta and this party was functioning illegally or that other places in West Bengal. we will not refer to it as a legal party as long as it is not registered with the Election SHRl VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : Sir, Commission as such. That is my point. the honourable Member wanted to know what we are doing regarding the guerrilla tactics of SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : On a point of the Naxalites, their hit and run tactics. We order. This is an absolutely misleading lie have devised methods to counteract these coming from the Government. A party may activities and the Calcutta Police are adopting not be contesting elections. The Constitution these methods. The second point was gives a guarantee for the formation of poli- regarding the students in the campuses. Here tical associations. So long as this is there, the basic question is of capturing the any party is a legal party irrespective of imagination and minds of the young and whether it contests elections or not, whether brilliant students. We have to devise ways and it goes to the Election Commission for an means of making the students who are election symbol or not. How is this studying in our educational institutions feel Government concerned with it ? Any five that by peaceful and non-violent methods, by members or six members can form a party... constitutional and legal methods, they can achieve or there is a possibility of their SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : I achieving what they wish to achieve. And if have only explained. . . such possibilities do not exist or if they seem to be nonexistent to this young and upcoming SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : This generation, then it will be very difficult by Communist (Marxist-Leninist) Party or negotiation or by preaching or by educating whatever it is called, is constitutionally a them to convince them that they should not go legal party and unless... astray into the hands of those who want to utilise students for extremist and violent acti- SHRI LOKANATHMISRA vities and for their own purposes. The third (Orissa) : You may raise this point in your point that the honourable Member raised was inner party meeting with the Congress. regarding the legality or the illegality of this party. What I wanted to say here was that as SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : My far as this matter is concerned, the parties friend Mr. Lokanath Misra, is very smart. which are regarded as validly functioning in My friend says that I may raise this in our the political field of our country are those inner party meeting, the Congress and me. which are recognised by the Election But there is no such inner party. I want to Commission of India and they are the parties raise it in front of my friend, Mr. Lokanath which we consider as the political parties Misra. operating in the country. I am not saying whether the CP(M-L) is a regularly SHRl VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : I am not quarrelling with those views. 1 constituted party or an irregularly constituted have only explained when I said that I had party. But it is not one of the parlies registered in mind this particular back-around of the with the Election Commission. In that context Election Commission and if this party is I said that it is not a regular party. .. registered with it, then we recognise it as such.. . MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Mr. Das said when an illegal organisation is there, SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : But it docs any member who is associated with it, will be not need your recognition. Whether you proceeded against under the law of the land. grant or refuse recognition to it does not matter. A party does not exist on the SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : Yes strength of "the Government of India's ; as the honourable Member knows, if there recognition. A political party wnich has is a law under which some even declared to subvert the Government of India is permitted to function. Why are assuming to /ourself things which you do not know? 121 Calling At m.ion [ 29 APRIL 1970 ] to a matter of 122 urgent public importance MR. DEPUn CHAIRMAN: AH SHRI LOKANATH MISRA :... the right. Mr. Moht; , country expected that law and order would be restored in West Bengal but in spite of SHRI LOKANATH MISRA: Sir, I want that, the Governor has not been able to to ask. restore law and order even though he is the sole representative of the Government of MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : No, no. India in West Bengal. He has also become a What about Mr. Mohta ? failure and more so when the photographs of persons like Gandhiji in whose name these SHRI M. K. MOHTA (Rajasthan) : Sir, I people live and encash and these people used want to give my chance to Mr. Lokanath to get elected till 1967 and still enjoy power. Misra. These miscreants are burning me phoiographs of Gandhiji and are humiliating MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : But him. What action has the representative in his name is also here in the list. Anyway, the garb of a Governor taken ? There have Mr. Misra. you can ask now. been certain allegations and I was the first also to allege in this House that Mr. Dhawan SHRI LOKANATH MISRA: Sir, ... could not be trusted in the position of a (Interruptior) ..Mr. Mavalnkar was raising Governor. He was the person whose name some question... was recommended by the Naxalites and the C.P.(M) as the only person acceptable. MR. DEPUT CHAIRMAN : No, no. You proceed with your question. AN HON. MEMBER : But you should ask . . . SHRI LOKA ->!ATH MISRA : Sir, the honourable Minister was referring to some (Interruptions) socio-et onomic deficiency in the country whic i may have giverr rise to these Naxalite SHRI LOKANATH MISRA : You activities ancTthat was the justification cannot set up a particular standard in respect ;;iven by the honourable Minister thai they of Mr. Lokanath Misra while you do not must be dealt with politically. Now, I do not observe it yourself, not even your Ministers. see how he can pol tic ally deal with any When I try to pinpoint certain things, elements which ire not political in nature. naturally when you hit me, I will hit you May I aik the honourable Minister whethei back. I never go beyond what I have to say he can deal with the Chambal Valley dacoits but I would have no interruption unanswered politically? and every interruption would be answered. SHRI BHUP! SU GUPTA : Sir, I object There are Chinese ballistic missiles in this to this. This is absolutely unnecessary. He ; country and made in this House also. I d\ ised me to settle this question in our inner would aslc the Minister whether he still feels party. Now I ask him to set le this matter that Mr. Dhawan would be the person who with the Birlas and the T.itas in his inner can restore law and order in spite of what party. has happened during the last week when there were burnings of the photographs of SHRI LOKANATH MISRA : All right. Mahafma Gandhi and others ? The Unlawful Sir, ma\ I know whether the honourable Min Activities Act is in force. The Minister gave iter would concede on this point that this House an assurance that whenever there verything can be dealt witke this particular Act and allow pol ic il field. They are anti-social. I v> in to the people of West Bengal to live in peace ? ask 2 or 3 questions nnd the liiister should clarify hi= own positio so far as his political SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : It is dealings with them are concerned. After the absolutely unimaginative to compare the end >f the obnoxious U.F. Government. .. Naxalites with the Chambal valley dacoits. Anybody would agree SHRI BHU 'ESH GUPTA : Is it proper to ask a euestion in this obnoxious manner ? 123 Calling Attention [ RAJYA SABHA ] to a matter of 124 urgent public importance [Shri Vidya Charan Shukla.] that apart information that the Bengal Administration from their extremism and violent has sent to us that they have seized some activities... literature and therefore I have given it. SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : They are in MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Not all, no comparison. The Naxalites are being but some. misled. SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : SHRI NIREN GHOSH : He is misleading ... they are also political beings and they the House. This literature cannot be seized are politically motivated. That is the under this. difference between the dacoits and these people. It is typical of the hon. Member's SHRI A. D. MANI () : Party. If they regard such matters only as May I ask, arising from this question, a law and order matter and a matter regarding whether it is not a fact that the Naxalite property or ceasing the property and running movement is not confined only to Bengal away with property, they shall never be able and it has started in Tamil Nadu also ? There to assess the seriousness of this question. is a cell working in Pennadam in North Aroct The question is much more serious District and even the Annamalai University than the question that the Chambal has been invaded by the Naxalite forces and valley dacoits are posing before us. that news has appeared in Delhi. May I know The second question he asked was about whether, in view of the fact that the law and the effective action of the Government of order situation is very uneasy in Bengal and Bengal and the role of the Governor. There the streets of Calcutta are deserted after 7 in is no doubt about the Government of the night, he would advise the Government Bengal and that of the Governor as far as of Bengal to promulgate in the name of the taking effective action is concerned. I President the P. D. Act which had the have already stated and I have received support of the Kerala Government which is some latest figures from the Government of headed by the friends of the Opposition ? Bengal regarding the action they have taken in Calcutta alone and here it states that SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Who the extremists that have been arrested in said this ? We are opposed to the P. Calcutta are 170; the bombs that have been D. Act. recovered 220, the grenade shell 101, tire- arms 11, rounds of ammunition 14 and a SHRI A. D. MANI : We do not want very large quantity of Maoist Calcutta to become the shambles of the literature. This has all been clone under Naxalites. The Naxalite movement has the operations that have been launched to spread to the rest of India. counteract the activities of the extremists in Calcutta. SHRI (Uttar ssh): Sir. . . Shri A. P. CHATTERJEE : On a point of order. The Home Minister said that certain SHRI A. D. MANI : Please sit down. I quantity of Maoist literature along with am asking a question. Nagaland wants the bombs have been recovered. Is it in order to PD. Act. I have a right to put a question. refer to Maoist literature in the same category May I ask him further.. . as revolvers, bombs, etc. particularly in view of the fact that Maoist literature has not been SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR : It proscribed at all? I want a ruling. Why is men like Mr. Mani who produce the should the Home Minister put Maoist Naxalite because of their.reactionary ideas. literature in line with revolvers and bombs particularly in view of the fact that that SHRI A. D. MANI : You sit down. I have literature has not been proscribed ? got a right to put my questions. You sit down. SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : This literature is seized under certain SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR : Control provisions of the Indian Penal Code or the this man. . . Criminal Procedure Code. This has been seized under the law that is operative here MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : and therefore this has been described like Order, order. that. This is the 125 Calling Attention [ 29 APRIL 1970 ] to a matter of 126 urgent public importance SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR: other Members also to ask questions or Otherwise I shal ttach him a lesson. clarifications, we shall not be able to do so because of the interruptions. (Interruptions) I MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : am speaking. Please sit down. Therefore I am Order, order. requesting hon. Members that during the Calling Attention hour at least there should SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR: Mr. not be any interruptions. Deputy Chairma I, I rise on a point of order. I SHRI A. P. CHATTERIEE : Under what want to know from you whether a Meirner in rule do you rule out interruptions during this House has got ths right to interrupt or not. Calling Attention discussion, Sir ? Interruption is a art of parliamentary procedure. But is any other Member authorised to sty, ''Sit down" ? Mr. Deputy MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Please sit Chairm; 1, through you I want to warn Mr. down. Mam that, if men like Mr. Mani behave in this fashion, I shall not allow VIr. Mani to speak SHRI A. D. MANI : I am putting it in a any time in this House. Mr. Deputy Chairman, most parliamentary way in which I can put the question. I m;;3e only. . . MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Order, (Interruptions) order, pi -ase. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Order SHRI CHAN 3RA SHEKHAR : Mr. please. Deputy Chairm n, let me say this. I assert my right of interruption as a Member of Pat SHRIMATI PURABI MUKHO- iament, and I seriously object that any PADHYAY : Under which rule, Sir, did you Member should say, "Sit down". I never do it just now give your ruling that no interruptions to any Member and I am not expecting it. I will be allowed during Calling Attention time assert again th t men like Mr. Mani are the ? breedr | ground of Naxalites. not the CPI(M) people or the CPI people. Thes reactionaries, SHRI NIREN GHOSH : No ruling these stooges of vest d interests are responsi- has been given. ble for all the e Naxalite activities. SHRIMATI PURABI MUKHO- MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : PADHYAY : But just now the Deputy Order, order. Chairman said . . . SHRI A. D MANI : One minute please, SHRI NIREN GHOSH : He has Sir, I must reply to the point of order. 1 c not given any ruling; he has made a request. >n:ede the right of interruption to a Member, and I also claim the right of i tcrruption to say, MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Order "Sit down". It is : (so an interruption. Now please. There is no point of order. interruptions c mot be only one-sided. (Interruptions) Order please. There is no question of any ruling. I have only appealed SHRI DAH ABHAI V. PATEL to hon. Members that they co-operate with me (Gujarat) : W ten a Member is provoked again to conduct the proceedings in accordance with and a ;ain, he can certainly say, "Sit down". the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business and in an orderly manner, and to MR. .DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: give the chance to a large number of Members to seek clarifications. Therefore, a Order please. lot of time should not be taken up by interruptions. I would lik to request hon. Members to use th.; proper language. They should addre s the Chair only and there should not be any SHRI A. D. MANI : Sir, in a most interruptions at least during Calling Attention parliamentary way I want to put this question discussion because, if there are interruptions, to the Minister. The Government of Nagaland it takes a lot of time, and if we want to has asked for the Preventive Detention Act. accommodate some (Interruptions) The situation in Calcutta is very bad. People are not able to come out after 7 o'clock in- the night. May I ask him at least to temporarily control 127 Calling Attention [ RAJYA SABHA ] to a matter of 128 urgent public importance [Shri A. D. Mani.] the situation ? I may MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : I have be putting forward an unpopular point of called one representative. .. (Interruptions) view. Why can't you enforce the Preventive Order please. Detention Act in West Bengal ? I mean, you may not like my view at all, but the SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : If it is Preventive Detention Act was on the Statute his contention that only those who have Book till the other day. I am asking, in view of the extraordinary situation prevailing in given the Calling Attention notice should be West Bengal, why can't the Government en- allowed to put questions and seek force the Preventive Detention Act by virtue clarifications, we shall give up our claim of the powers that the President has under here because our names are not there. On the Constitution ? other occasions also nobody else outside the list should be allowed. I am ready for that. SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : Sir, We will not ask questions on this provided in I have already stated that we have taken the Calling Attention notices, which we give, certain action to control the unsatisfactory nobody else will be allowed to ask questions law and order position in West Bengal. if he is outside the names printed in the There are various matters that have been Calling Attention notice. suggested by the administration in West Bengal including the enforcement of the P. D. Act there. All these matters are under MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : I have consideration by the Government but no called one Member from each Party. Now decision has been taken so far. there are other parties which have not been represented. So, after this I will again give MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Mr. Niren the chance to the representatives of all the Ghosh. political parties. SHRI NIREN GHOSH : Sir, I would like to know whether it is a fact... SHRI NIREN GHOSH : Sir, is it a fact that Naxalite activities were contained during the SHRI P. C. MITRA (Bihar) : Sir, twenty- 13-month period ot the United Front regime nine Members have appended their names to and it has become virulent just under the Con- this Calling Attention matter calling the gress regime ? Because President's rule is attention of the Minister to the growing another name for Congress Government rule ? Naxalite activities. Now they are the And is it a fact that it was contained because supporters of Naxalites and why should they there was political freedom ? Because the be allowed to put questions on this matter ? people were on the march and they were given (Interruptions) political freedom to wage people's I struggles, MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Order therefore they found no ground on which to please. Please sit down, Mr. Bhupesh Gupta. function violently. But, after the imposition of President's rule, is it a fact that, because the SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : It is people are being suppressed, because women very improper to say that a Member should are being criminally assaulted in the presence not ask questions because he thinks that of the police in Sripur Colliery—in the somebody is a supporter of NaT^iites. Well, presence of the police, I made that allegation— if he is a supporter of N.ixalites, he should and the people are being murdered also there be given more chance than anybody else. and because one fellow was murdered by the police and hung upon a tree and yet, for no fault of the people there, there are cases of arson in the presence of the police who are egging on the'anti-social emements, because of those things, and because of the talk of the restoration of benami lands—which had been seized by the kisans—back to the landowners, who hold these lands illegally so long, because under President's rule th* Birlas were helped by the police to take away papers, which should have been very much relevant in the course

129 Callitn Attention [ 29 APRIL 1970] to a matter of 130 urgent public importance of the inquiry tg; inst the Birlas by the they were politically contained and I make Commission of Inquiry, which under the bold to say that if again the U.F. regime is United Front regime they could not do, the Na installed the Naxalite activities would not alites have found a fertile g ound to operate ? spread because politically we can contain This 1 P.M. is nuinber one. And is it a fact— them. Politically we can mobilise opinion also want to know-that the Cong es* regime against them so that they cannot carry on their which is ruling Bengal n >w— you are now activities. So my question is whether the ruling Bengal—wants o introduce the P. D. Government will take all these things Act ? We hav« seen it in the papers. This Act into'consideration in determining its policy and which you could not get passed in Parii. ment see that all these repressive measures that have is to be brought in as a special Act of the been taken at present in Bengal for suppres- President so that y°u can mX omv suppress the sing the people are immediately withdrawn. Naxalites but ym can suppress many other SHRI VIDYA CHARAN JSHUKLA : It parties a! o. This is a specific question that I may not be clear to Niren Babu but it is clear im putting. to most of us, to all impartial observers, that conditions in West Bengal are much better Now is it als > a fact that our Rightist now than they were when his party was friends generally politically collude with the ruling. Naxalites in the trade unions, in the S.l s ind other things. Is it a fact or not'. SHRI NIREN GHOSH : Nobody would say that. Would you take a vote of the people Is it a fact or not also that in Andhra in West Bengal and find out the results ? Pradesh ihe so-called Naxalites have been Have you got the moral courage ? physically exterminated without even a trial 7 T e> were apprehended, brought to the police SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : The lock-up and shot dead without an\ trial. That hon. Member should listen to me peacefully also has it: own repercusj ons. This unlawful and quietly and not interrupt me because I did activity of the Ar Jhra Pradesh Government not interrupt him and I expect the same which is a C ingress Government— the ruling courtesy of having no interruption from him. party** Congress Government ; it is not Government of the Congress (O)—this totally So it is qute justified because Niren Babu unlawful activity, of the ?rahmananda Reddy cannot see these things in an im- • partial light Government has ts own repercussions and you but to all impartial observers it is very obvious have no Littered a word of condemnation. T iat that conditions in West Bengal have improved is why we have these repercussion elsewhere. and they continue to be improving. Naturally they are fine ng good ground to operate upon and to create trouble. But we do Sir, I cannot also say what is the not ar prove of their activities because re ol connection between the recent spurt in jtion cannot be brought about in this fashion. Naxalite activities there and the CPM going Had it been so we would lave supported them out of office. There may be a connection, no matter whatevc ?he consequences may be. there may not be a connection, but it is a fact But it c mnot bring about revolution; it only that after the UF Government went out of elr>s you to bring in repressive legislatio i and office there has been a spurt in the Naxalite thus create conditions so that the movements activities. How we should read this inter- of the people can be suppressed. That is why connection is a thing for politically-minded we politically < ppose them and we do not persons to interpret. We interpret it in a certain collude with them in the trade ffices of Now, as far as the question of Andhra Pradesh Deshbrat 'heration have been seized and and other matters are concerned, we have iwn ? During the U. F. regime replied to these things quite often in the House and I do not think there is any substance in those charges that have been. made. 131 Calling Attention [ RAJYA SABHA ] to a matter of 132 urgent public importance

SHRI NIREN GHOSH : Would you appoint a. SHRI NIREN GHOSH : I will give you. parliamentary committee to find out whether the SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : I know when allegations are true or not ? you are in the Chair you wiH give me. Now, Sir, these are absolutely irrelevant utterances SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : Whal about Dr. to malign the Naxalites, We do not belong to a Verghese who was shot dead in Kerala without party which calls Naxalites in this way trial ? as bandits, CIA men and all that after having taught them Chinese politics. SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA :. The (Interruptions) We are not a bunch of main question is... cowards. {Interruptions) SHRI NIREN GHOSH : You are... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Do you want SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Sir, he to listen to the reply of the hon. Minister or do is again getting up like a Jack in the you want to be | heard only by the hon. box. Let him interrupt; I will sit Minister? | Everybody is rising and asking down and then I will reply. questions in the middle of the reply ? What is SHRI NIREN GHOSH : I am ready. this ? SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE: The Achuta SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : I am ready to Menon Ministry has killed a Naxalite without sit down. a trial. SHRI NIREN GHOSH : I am never afraid of a renegade. You are a renegade. SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA . The main question is whether orderly development SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Get up and and orderly conduct of business will be say. allowed in this country or not. That is the main question which we have to consider SHRI NIREN GHOSH : You are a and in this context I would say that the renegade. activities of the Naxalites and the SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Sir, 1 want to extremist elements are not only highly know whether some decorum shall be condem-nable but they are absolutely maintained. I am prepared to sit down the anti-people. I think* everybody in the • moment Mr. Niren Ghosh gets up and let him country and every section of this House will say whatever he likes. After that I shall answer condemn these activities. and he has to sit down. It cannot be one way ; SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : I hope my it should be a two-way traffic. hon. friend, my very good friend, Mir Niren Now, these are absolutely irrelevant Ghosh, will not interrupt me when I utterances. did not interrupt him. First of all I was distressed to hear my friend, Mr. Niren SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : Why Ghosh—at least twice he referred to it—talk did you kill Dr. Verghese ? of containment of Naxalites. Naxalites have been contained under the UF SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Again another Ministry— that is what he said—I believe by Jack in the box. (Interruptions) The point is if the Home Ministry which was under his you start this kind of thing there will be no party. So we are back again to the Dulles debate, no discussion. Sir, I concede them the doctrine of containment. Perhaps he did right to interpret, they can say anything they not mean it but we have got into the wrong like. habit of adopting even the American SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : I am language. only asking a humble question. Why did SHRI NIREN GHOSH : There was no. . you kill Dr. Verghese ? . SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : You s the SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Now he question but I find in Parliarr that ability comes up with his interruptions. If I start you have lost. First all, let us forget the answering all your interruptions then I will theory of CP ment because these are the day have to have the whole session. Would you give it ?

133 Calling Alt thon [29 APRIL 1970 ] toamatnrof 134 urgent public importance SHRI NIREN GHOSH : I am speak for one hour in the form of a question. asking... You know it very well. Having regard to this, is it not proper for the Government to lay MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Niren emphasis on the political aspect of the matter Ghosh, do 'o 1 want that we should conduct and seek a solution in such a manner, that thr business of the House in an orderly these fine people, many of them are excellent manner? We have spent 70 mil ules, I think, people, are restored to the normal way of a and only seven person1 could ask clarifica- militant mass movement, rather than what tions. This is not the way to conduct the they are doing now ? That is no. 1, Secondly, business of th. House. I have appealed to is it not a fact that in the name of dealing hon. Members that at least on Calling with the Naxalites the Government of Andhra Attention motions there should be no Pradesh, the Government of Punjab, the interruptions and I would like again tc Government of Orissa ... request hon. Members thai they sho lid not interrupt. SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : Kerala. SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : No. SHRI BHUPE: H GUPTA: Now, i much Also, the Government of Bengal are has been sad by my friend, Mr. Misra. It is indulging in wholesale arrests, persecution most unfortunate that they have been compar- and cold-blooded murder. In Punjab a cold- d to bandits. They are left-minded people blooded murder has taken place. People are guided by excellent sentiments. . arrested in the name of being Naxalites, shot in police custody, their bodies thrown in the DR. BHAI MA HAVIR : Excellent ? streets or villages and then it is announced You are a plead that they have been killed in an encounter. In Andhra Pradesh you know it very well under MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Do the Brahma-nanda Ministry what the not interrupt ple;r Government police force are doing in the DR. BHAI MA HAVIR : I am only Srikaku-lam area where people who are not asking him if he s pleading for all of them. even connected with the Naxalites in any way, have been shot dead after having been SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : 'Excellent' I arrested. Then an announcement has been repeat. 1 hey are guided by fine sentiments. made that they have been killed in an encounter. Something is happening in Orissa. SHRI P. C. MITRA : They have got Does this not run counter to the declaration of sympathy for the Naxalites. the Government lhat they would seek a political solution of the problem and must try SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : People have for it ? Is the Government aware that in the not been rol'bing and committing dacoities. Rupar district, a member belonging to my One si ould be proud of them. Now, unf party, who was also the President of the rtunately they are utterly misguidci and District Kisan Sabha, was arrested, secretly everybody knows that some of their murdered by the police, and then we were activities, certainly the burn lg of the portraits told and people were told that he had been of Mahatma Gandhi and the burning of killed in an encounter with the police and so books and certaii other things, individual on ? terrorism, we do not support. Now, Sir, we h >pe that some day they will come t ide to the DR. BHAI MAHAVIR : May I ask one correct path. small information ? Will Mr. Bhupesh Gupta be able to oblige the House by giving us a list MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : What is of the people who are connected with the your question ? Naxalites, so that we would know who are SHRI BHUPISH GUPTA: The not connected with the Naxalites? question comes b the way... SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Now, I have MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : It should to answer him. My friend wants me to act as come automatically. an agent. I can give you a list of people who have been killed and who are not Naxalites. SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Shall I stait with a question ? Now, I can

135 Calling Attention [RAJYA SABHA] to a matter of 136 urgent public importance SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : Will Mr. that the Marxist demanded that the-Preventive Bhupesh Gupta pardon me ? In 1962 his party Detention Act should b? continued ? went to the Home Ministry saying that these people were connected with the Chinese and SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE: It is wrong. they were not connected with the Chinese and we were arrested on their information. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : You continue. SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : This is a cowardly, petty, malicious lie by members of such parties as the Marxist Communist Party. SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : Double-talk is You have seen them over these years. V/hen the banner of the CPM today. Now, Sir, I the Marxist Communist Party were cowering should like to know why the Central under fear we were pleading with Mr. Chavan. Government is planning mass attacks on the leftist movement in the name of suppressing Bhupesh Gupta along with his party stood up the Naxalites. 1 would like to have a clear in defence of them for getting their' release assurance that under no circumstances the and everybody knows it. Now, anybody can Preventive Detention Act shall be enforced in see. I have letters with me from Mr. West Bengal to deal with the Naxalites or Narnboodiri-pad, Mr. Gopalan and Mr. anybody else. I should also like to know why Ranadive and I am prepared to lay them on the Government is arresting on a mass scale the Table of the House. That shows to what students and others in the name of dealing moral degradation. . . with the Naxalites. If any offence is committed by anybody, the law of the land provides for SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : You prosecution according to the provisions of the said that we were connected with the Chinese Indian Penal Code and the Criminal Procedure and you were not and thereafter our men were Code. What right has the Government got to arrested. Is it not a fact ? go to schools and colleges and the houses of people to arrest people on suspicion even just SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : It is a blatant because they feel that some people have to be cowardly lie, which is capable of being uttered arrested ? Therefore, I see in it a part of the by only a party which has lost all sentiments conspiracy to unleash an offensive in West or sense of norms. In that case, is it not a fact Bengal first against the Naxalites and under that the Minister had answered a question in cover of dealing with the Naxalites against the the House that Mr. Jyoti Basu's Home entire left and democratic movement. I warn Ministry was cooperating with the CIB in the Government again that if such a move is dealing with the Naxalites ? It is on record. I adopted under the guise of dealing with the say let him deny it. (Interruption). The Naxalites, it will be met with resistance. proceedings of the House over the last thirteen Should it come to that, if the Naxalites do not months would show that Mr. Chavan was very resort to individual terrorism and other things, happy with the co-operation he was receiving we shall certainly combine with all political from Mr. Jyoti Basu's Ministry in persecuting parties, including the Naxalites, to resist this and hunting the Naxalites in the Bengal kind of atrocious attacks on the democratic border, Bihar border and other places. Now, rights and liberties and in defence of our rights that is on record. Let him not talk much about and liberties. I would like, therefore, to find this thing. The only thing is it shows what out the facts in West Bengal as they are and stuff the Marxists are made of. not create an artificial horror picture. We are MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : This is not a sorry for some of the things tha*t are happen- debate, but a calling attention notice. ing there, but all the political parties in West Bengal are appealing to the Naxalites and SHRI KALYAN ROY : Even today Mr. exhorting them, so that they do not take to this Jyoti Basu is being protected bv the CRP. method of individual terrorism and so on. I hope the Government will not spoil the situa- SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : You have tion by introducing the element of ruthless, heard me. Mr. Chavan said it and it is on indiscriminate repression, which can only record. Is it not a fact aggravate the problem 137 Calling Attention [ 29 APRIL 1970 ] to a matter of 138 urgent public importance which is facing us As far as other questions SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : May are cono med, they have to be gone into. I complete my answer ? SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : As I THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION stated earlier we do lay the greatest emphasis (SHRI S. N. MISHRA) : This is about West < n the political solution of the problen Bengal. Therefore, we are acling politically a so as far as this particular matter i concerned. But this SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA : This is does not mea i :hat when we try to tackle this about West Bengal, true, but having killed prol em in a political manner we should not in Andhra Pradesh. . . take action under the law if tin re are any violations or violent activites. Therefore, we SHRI S. N. MISHRA : We must have have been forced not only to arrest people, but some chance. You must have some pity on us. also in several parts of the country, as some lor. Members have stated, there has been SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : confrontation between the armec Naxalites About the P. D. Act I have already clarified and the armed police and certain people that no decision has been taken by the have been killed. It is wrong to say that there Government so far on the plea of the West has been d liberate killing of people like that. Bengal administration that the P. D, Act should be enforced in West Bengal. We have SHRI BHUPES rt GUPTA : Mr. Shukla. received that request but no decision so far be fair. ' Ir Rajeshwar Rao, General Secretary has been taken on that. i f the party, went to Srikakulam, drew up a memorandum and placed before j Mir SHRI S. N. MISHRA : I would not like to Ministry. propound any theory or to deliver any dissertation as is now becoming the practice SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : I with regard to calling attention motions. We know all that. know the charges that have will have to put it on the right track; that is been ma le. my submission to you in the first instance.

SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA: Deliberately. Although this Government did recommend You have no right to kill people. You can one of the highest awards to a person like Shri irosecute them, you hang them if you like, but Ritwik Ghatak who abused Mahatma Gandhi you have no right to kill them deliberately. in the worst terms possible, although this There was the Put jab case also... Government did not think it fit to mention Gandhiji's Centenary but did mention the MR. DEPUTY ( H AIRMAN : Please sit Census Centenary in the President's Address, I down. still think that this Government is wedded to the name of Mahatma Gandhi if not to his FHRl BHUPE SH GUPTA : A principles or ideology. Therefore, I am to that memorandum has been submitted to your extent not very surprised that many of these Government. things are happening with a certain amount of impunity. But the question I want to ask is this SHRI A. P. CHATTERJEE : Mr. Bhaskar : many a time we have heard that this is not Rao has 1 ceo shot dead. only a law and order question, may be we agree with it, that one has to go into the entire SHRI VIDYA C H ARAN SHUKLA : I gamut of the problems, all aspects of the have already cli -ified the position that there problems, and so on; but has the Government has been no deliberate killing, but if there are got a whole complex of measures which it c< if ontations between armed gangs and the wants to adopt in order to deal with the armed police some killing is boi id to happen. situation in West Bengal? Has it got any This cannot be avoided. measure of economic rehabilitation in West Bengal ? Has it got any measure for the SHRT BHUPESH GUPTA : I know that. solution of the economic problems of Calcutta In an encounter some people get killed. I am 1 which is now a human jungle, where guerilla ot denying that. In Andhra Pradesh w hat did warfares are bound to take place ? you do ? 139 Calling Attention [ RAJYA SABHA ] to a matter of 140 urgent public importance [Shri Vidya Charan Shukla] time the Government will be able to deal with this effectively ? Because ;tever we have come Calcutta is, indeed a human jungle, and I want to know is only a trickle of what is behind the to know whether the Government has got any scene, behind the purdah. Many of us have got scheme to deal with the economic problems of information that not a few bombs and so on Calcutta, and I want to know the entire but there are thousands of tonnes of material spectrum of measures—social, political and for bombs which have been piled up created economic. Otherwise it would sound hollow. there. They are in the hideout. On all these We cannot be taken in by that kind of points I would like to have a specific answer, statement from the Government that this is not an evasive reply. I have raised certain a problem which goes far beyond the specific points on which I would like to have a law and order situation. 1 want to know specific reply. whether the Government does propose to come before the House with the entire SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : spectrum of measures that it wants to adopt. As stated in reply to an earlier question, we (Interruption) I am asking for the whole set of have drawn up a programme to deal with measures to deal with the economic problems certain economic matters in West Bengal. For of West Bengal. This arises from all the instance, regarding the problem of land, statements that have been made with a certain redistribution of land to the landless in West air of Superiority as if the Government have Bengal, we are giving it the highest priority, got a more comprehensive view of the whole and we have set up not only a particular Cell thing. Many a time such a statement has here to deal with this problem but also a been made—I am therefore, constrained to special organisation has been set up in the make this remark—without giving any details administration of West Bengal to handle this of the programme. matter. This is one specific thing which we wish to do. The second thing I want to ask is whether the Governor did send regular reports about I also mentioned about the problem of the potential of destruction being built up by Calcutta. With the aid of the Planning certain political elements in West Bengal. Commission certain schemes are being drawn That is question number two, and it is indeed, up for speedy tackling of problems of a vital point—whether the Governor did send Calcutta. As the hon. Leader of the Opposition such regular reports. knows, the problems of Calcutta are not new. They have been developing over many many decades, and I do not think anybody can The third thing is, sometime back arrogate to himself the claim that it could be the hon. Home Minister was pleased to solved within a specified time-limit. But even say in the other House that there have if we are able to make a good beginning been training camps for guerilla war towards a solution of these problems, that fare and so on. When for the first would be quite satisfactory as far as we are time did the Government come to know concerned. about this and how much time do they propose to take in order to unearth these training camps and to deal with SHRI S. N\ MlSHRA : What steps in them ? If there are training camps for guerilla relation to these problems ? warfare, that is a matter of grave concern for the whole country, and (he Government is on SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : record as having said that there are such I am talking of the developmental problems training camps. and other problems that face the biggest city of our country. These are problems that have to be tackled. We have started the process of Lastly, considering the magnitude of the solution of these problems. Regarding other problem what is the time horizon within economic matters and things which are which (he Government thinks it will be able to causing distress in West Bengal, we are also deal with the problem effectively ? If they trying to tackle them with specific tasks that have got any idea about the magnitude of the have been put before the administration. task involved, what is the time they propose to take so that we can take some comfort from this that within a particular 141 Papenlaid [29 APRIL 1970 ] on the Table 142

The hon. M< Tiber again asked about the we do not even know how long we are going Governor's reports. The Governor does not to rule West Bengal under the President's rule. send eports about every matter, like that; nit it The Assembly of West Bengal is in existence. comes on important matters. We do receive Any time it is possible to form a popular reports from the Government as such. Government' and the rule of the Central Government will no longer be there. So, we SHRI S. N. MISHRA : He is the agent of cannot say anything about how long we are the < entre. What is the Governor doin : ? going to take. What is he meant for? (Some hon. Members stood up.) SHRl VIDY K CHARAN SHUKLA : I am saying t! it we do receive reports MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : No more. from the Governor as well as from We have taken one and a half hours. the State Gov mment. There is some difference b the reports which the SHRI MULKA GOVINDA Centre receive- f'om the Governor and the REDDY : Adjourn the House. reports wl cl. the Centre receives from the Stat Government as such. So, I am sayii g that on MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : We have many matters we keep on receiving the report taken one and a half hours and it is more than of the State Governn Bnt and on some matter enough for a Calling Attention Motion. we do receive Che report of the Governor Normally, we take only one hour. Here we also. have taken one and a half hours.

SHRI S. N. MISHRA : On this matter, did you r ceive it or not ? That was my specif.: question.

SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : I do not have specific information at present with re whether on this parti cular point an report has been receiv ed from him. i SHRI MULKA GOVINDA About the raining camps, I have already REDDY : I think we can close this and, if indicated in reply to an earlier question that necessary, a short-duration discussion may be vhen we came to know of them, we ried to allowed on this matter. liquidate these training camp: MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : You SHRI S. N. MISHRA : When ? are right.

SHRI Vim A CHARAN SHUKLA : I do not knov the exact date. But we came to knov of them during the LUiited Front egime. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE SHRI S. N MISHRA : Oh ! I see. ANNUAL REPORT AND ACCOUNTS V (1968-69) OF THE NATIONAL SHRI VID A CHARAN SHUKLA : RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT Then, we hav * laken action to contain them CORPORATION OF INDIA, NEW and we are trying to see that these camps c ) DELHI, AND RELATED PAPERS lot remain operative. MR. DEP JTY CHAIRMAN : We THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have taken m»re than one and a half hours on MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH this. SERVICES (SHRI BHAKT DARSHAN) : Sir, I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : Sir, I Fifteenth Annual Report and Accounts (in forgot to mention one thing. The Leader of English and Hindi) of the National Research the Opposition asked about the time bori :on, Development Corporation of India, New within what time we expected to . omplete Delhi, for the year 1968-69, together with the this task. Sir, Auditor's Report on the Accounts and the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor