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A1132-C270-001-Jpeg.Pdf faJUtl&fp j y ^ V No. 4 ' Weekly Edition REPU^lC OF SOUTH AFRICA ^ HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY DEBATES (HAN S ARsQ) THIRD SESSION — THIRD PARLIAMENT 26th FEBRUARY to 1st MARCH, 1968 The sign * indicates that the speech was delivered in Afrikaans and then translated. Where both official languages are used in the same ministerial speech, t indicates the original and * the translated version. CONTENTS Stages of Bills taken without debate are not indicated below COL. NO. COL. NO. M onday, 26th February Births, Marriages and Deaths Registra­ tion Amendment Bill—Second Human Sciences Research Bill—Com­ Reading ............................................ 1220 mittee ............................................... 1119 Wine and Spirits Control Amendment Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Amend­ Bill—Second Reading ..................... 1229 ment Bill—Third Reading .............. 1120 Bantu Administration by Local Authori­ Indians Advanced Technical Education ties—Motion .................................... 1231 Bill—Committee ............................. 1123 South African Indian Council Bill—Sec­ W ednesday, 28th F ebruary ond Reading.................................... 1124 Report of Commission of Enquiry into Wine. Other Fermented Beverages and Improper Political Interference and Spirits Amendment Bill—Second Political Representation of the Reading............................................ 1156 Various Population Group s— Waterval River (Lydenburg) Bill—Sec­ Motion ............................................. 1265 ond Reading .................................... 1158 T hursday, 29th F ebruary Transkei Constitution Amendment Bill —Second Reading ........................... 1160 Inauguration of State President-Elect— Statement.......................................... 1327 T uesday, 27th F ebruary Report of Commission of Enquiry into Questions and replies .............................. 1168 Improper Political Interference and Political Representation of the Suid-Afrikaanse Akademie vir Weten- Various Population Group s— skap en Kuns Amendment Bill— Motion (Resumed Debate)............. 1330 Third Reading ................................ 1207 Universities Amendment Bill—Third F riday, 1st M arch Reading ............................................ 1209 Questions and replies.............................. 1391 Indians Advanced Technical Education Report of Commission of Enquiry into Bill—Third Reading........................ 1211 Improper Political Interference and South African Indian Council Bill— Political Representation of the Committee ....................................... 1213 Various Population Group s—- Transkei Constitution Amendment Bill Motion (Resumed Debate)............. 1417 —Committee .................................... 1214 Liaison Between the Legislature and Public Service Amendment Bill—Second Scientific Research Institutions— Reading ............................................ 1215 Motion ............................................. 1442 Marriage Amendment Bill—Second Co-ordination of Health Service— Reading ............................................ 1216 M otion.............................................. 1474 Obtainable from: THE GOVERNMENT PRINTER, Bouquet Street, C a p e t o w n , or Bosman Street, Pretoria. Price: 30c per copy, R7.00 per annum Overseas: 40c per copy, R8.75 per annum Post Free PRINCIPAL OFFICERS IN THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY SPEAKER: The Hon. H. J. K lopper, M.P. DEPUTY SPEAKER AND CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEES: M r. D. J. G. van den H eever, M.P. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEES (ACTING SPEAKER): M r. J. H. Visse, M.P. SECRETARY TO THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY: M r. R. J. M cFarlane. 1 I THE MINISTRY " * f CABINET MINISTERS Prime M inister and Minister of Police The Hon. B. J. VORSTER, M.P. M inister of T ransport............... The Hon. B. J. SCHOEMAN, M.P. M inister of N ational Education and of InformaIA-­ tion ................................................................ The Hon. Senator J. DE KLERK. M inister of the I nterior The Hon. P. M. K. LE ROUX, M.P. M inister of Community D evelopment, of Public \ Works and of Social Welfare and Pensions .. J The Hon. W. A. MAREE, M.P. Minister of F inance Dr. the Hon. N. DIEDERICHS, M.P. Minister of Health Dr. the Hon. A. HERTZOG, M.P. Minister of Agriculture and of W ater Affairs .. The Hon. D. C. H. UYS, M.P. Minister of Immigration and of Indian Affairs .. The Hon. Senator A. E. TROLLIP. Minister of D efence .. ' .. The Hon. P. W. BOTHA, M.P. Minister of F orestry, of Tourism and of Sport \ The Hon. F. W. WARING, M.P. and R ecreation i Minister of F oreign Affairs Dr. the Hon. H. MULLER, M.P. Minister of Economic Affairs The Hon. J. F. W. HAAK, M.P. Minister of L abour and of Coloured Affairs The Hon. M. VILJOEN, M.P. Minister of Bantu A dministration and D evelop­ ment and of Bantu Education The Hon. M. C. BOTHA, M.P. M inister of Justice and of Prisons The Hon. P. C. PELSER, M.P. M inister of Mines and of P lanning Dr. the Hon. C. DE WET, M.P. Minister of Posts and Telegraphs .. The Hon. M. C. G. J. VAN RENSBUR M.P. DEPUTY MINISTERS ê D eputy M inister for South W est A frica A ffairs and of T r a n s p o r t ...................................................... The Hon. J. G. H. VAN DER WATH, M.i . D eputy Minister of Agriculture The Hon. H. E. MARTINS, M.P. D eputy M inister of Bantu Administration and Education The Hon. B. COETZEE, M.P. D eputy Minister of Bantu D evelopment The Hon. A. H. VOSLOO, M.P. D eputy Minister of Police, of F inance and of E co­ nomic Af f a ir s .................................................................. The Hon. S. L. MULLER, M.P. D eputy Minister of Water Affairs .. The Hon. S. P. BOTHA, M.P. 1117 ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1118 own affairs and their own communities. This created for those people. However, one will is being done for the entire community and always find such a group of people whom one not only for a few select ones or individuals simply cannot settle within a community. One in that community. We are going to afford the will find that everywhere. And to hold up the entire community that opportunity, and that few squatters there are—and they are often is why I think it will eventually be a better colourful personalities—as proof to the effect basis. And then the hon. member also made that municipalities are not capable of housing a great fuss here about the removal of the those people, is really very far-fetched. Bantu from the Western Cape. *Mr. G. S. EDEN: Particularly the rural *Mr. G. S. EDEN: The municipalities are areas. complaining themselves. *The MINISTER: The hon. member says *The MINISTER: But look, the municipali­ particularly the rural areas. With great ver­ ties are complaining because there is an un­ bosity he wanted to know who would take controlled influx of Coloureds from the rural those people’s place and, where residential areas to the townships. areas had been developed for them, who would live in them and what would become of them. It should be borne in mind that this *Mr. G. S. EDEN: I am talking about the process is a slow one which will take place rural areas only. over a period of many years. It will only be possible to realize this when the Coloured com­ *The MINISTER: That influx from the rural munity itself has shown such an increase in areas to the towns is a serious problem. As far numbers that it will be able to take over the as the Coloureds are concerned, it is a prob­ work, and when the industries and the white lem about which we cannot do much. We have public will at the same time be in a position to in fact taken a step in that direction, namely manage with the aid of more modem methods by making it possible, through the agency of and less labour. All those things are being in­ the Department of Agriculture with its agri­ troduced systematically, and to that extent the cultural credit schemes, for farmers to house withdrawal of the Bantu is gradual, because their servants on their farms by means of aid one has also to make provision in the places they are granted by the State. In that way they are being sent to. That is why this is not housing is being improved in the rural areas something which will happen overnight. Where as well. At the moment the scheme is still new housing is being provided for the Bantu being worked out. but it will be put into in Bantu residential areas, in the rural areas operation. I honestly think that it is not neces­ as well, it is the policy to do so in such a way sary for me to go into the finer details any that when they are eventually moved there, it further. To summarize I may just say that the will be possible to use those residential areas entire matter of the financial ability of local for the Coloureds. Some adjustment and the authorities, has been investigated. The report repair of houses may perhaps be necessary. will soon be available and members will have It is foreseen that this may eventually happen. access to it. Secondly, not one of the examples Therefore I do not think that the hon. mem­ that were quoted by hon. members is substan­ ber needs to be concerned about the fact that tial enough to justify a special inquiry. In re­ this will eventually place an unnecessary bur­ spect of all of them the necessary provision den on the municipalities. And then the hon. has already been made and the State, with the member tried to point out that the local extensive aid it is granting to municipalities authorities were financially not in a position and local authorities, has made it possible for to carry out this task. As proof for that he
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