Mary #&%$an Obey
An Interview C~raduoteQby Wflla %lug Barn Photograph following: Dr. and Mrs. John Knox McLean and daughter Mary, early 1890Fs. All uses of this marmuscript are covered by nn agreement between the Regents of' the University of California ad Nary McLean Olney dated 13 December 1963. The manuscript is thereby made available for research purposes. All. litera.ry rignks in the mznuscript, including the right to publish, are reserved Lo the General Library of the University of California at Berkeley. No part of the manuscript nay be quoted for publication without the writtea permission of the University Librarian sf the University of California at Berkeley. BilBwy 0lne-j~was bozfi i~&Q,a.mdin 1873. She.w,aa *he &aughB,er 0:f.&, J0.k fi-@e%&a, pas't;~~ of the rj+s~.%Q~pgrqptj,oa . .Qbap~h. . . &..Qua& <,
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PAMf 5Y BACKQRBUBD Fathar - Y ow Worn Pohm MsLher - S~rahMktilck Hawley
Father's Pir$t , Pears as a P~sCor OAKLAaB, 2872-1.895 ?Erst Oongre~aCiowaLChwreb of QB~LPT~.~~ad barxswliaa~ BaiW &&fa gg@& %p@c%al,~V@I*$ Tf@;rf tin& fa Be?kraIsy, ,&8$Ol; Sumetr V~d,aati~ng,YoserraP be and Mt, Shasto BlTZg'ERESX TP 03' CALTFQEf2EJIA, 1891-1895 B~ildltn~s,Fa.$u2ty, PresiL~snts.and Classes $%u&en%sand %tu,deatLife- BABTXAS TRDXX %am: @auld we a%& out with e. brief desorlg8ion of whapa
Qlxbayr By father*s fa%Ete~was %!haaaoE9134 J&&em,~m1 he
Baumo mere did this miag of natkanalities take pZaas7
%doh6Brigh-k Buckham, Jalam &ox NaSea, a blogr~ph~. Smith Bro$hers, Oakland GalSiorPsjla, 1914, 122 pp , OZmsyt E juage ia th%s aotantrg. falibex wao tha yowge@%sf a F&l$ 09 fe~@
cLo.trMng was very p~ec$ouaad tm hand@& dawn fzam child to child, aadt by %he Lime it reaeheb my fathea %hem
wasn't s greaL ded 1si-k. %hem ww o seasCrs#s, a tail~~stw,who oame to Bhs house @Bay@&perhaps as Zang as munth 6t124 a1c~Lhesfor Lht8 snti~e
faorbl$. 8he wm2d sfay e8%the f~ltg~and Pa-bher Co fell abmt kke~siti%ingby %he @@a% open fixegla~e in the evening mihen she w&a r@@Lbg,making a pipe,
Tbep oooked ~JI aa spea firoglaoe -- I'm BOO sure what fuel they-ass&, bsn% a% my reZe %haii~ewas Ewer
s~pposea.bo go ou-b b'~>sazusethey ha& no- matches in Ohoee daxs, and It was gtai-&ea process to start a blaze with the sBed amd flint, 80 at migh.i; the eoa2s were cars- fully oovere& m& in the morniag tb;~were xaked apmL
ad Lhe k2naling then the faal were plx'c; 012 %Q make a hot fire for cooking. But mow mdE. then it woalcl go ouC dufiug the night and Father was the Laelfless boy who had to trudge on the frozen ground in winter about two
miles to a nelghb~ra farm to oarry c~alsback in a aoal OUeyt sen-k-kle, Ee u~ed.%a tie11 &boat %ha$. Bawntt What was Ring @aEeants oaaupaD;ton?
0222~tyo Hs was s fmer, B~wZYa2 th~ep~gle W~FBff3mb~8r Barn: And bad they been a g20np ~f fmlhte~~in Bea%ZmdP Olneyr X &oatt know4 Banee of tBen woaLd eeeB BQ have hh$$ an eduea%ien4
OHI of g~~&f~%hertlbroDher~ WBI a judge; mother ha& a very btsazBfftzJ Boma wash he hade built on one a$ the ~Lraam~ithat flowed t~oughWashington @st;laty, Rew Ysrk, ?he etBxea,m was aalledl th@ Ba%onMll,
Phis house was v%siblsfrcrn %he raa& andl had a very
beautiful bal'tilsQ~ad@IQPQBO %he fro&%of the garden, mb ths houhse was painted a %ov-elyaolar, so that it
waa very hmdscsrae. BB was Eew IRcLea, 1 $hW, but what kite did I dofit% know. Ee was an wole of my father. &other wa1e, who was refe~red"c oe "Hornorable John HeLsan," was: a Sawyer ad ha&. held soEete kind of poLit$sEil position. Be was always called btaage. Eo Interested himaelf im. my father's aaueratf on, and had
Father eome off the Sa;rrm adlive at a, ho%aL in Salem, Their let-bers were always gettifig mixed up, two John
NcLem a, you see, so Father pat the le%terE in and go% h%~1d&&1~BEXR@*
$mms Vaa his fa%kers ~XEJBP~P~~Bf~~r% OZneyr Well, he ~a&oeBa f&ly of all %how aPiildsew.
Btitmt Bid they feel %he pL&oh af pove~ty?
anomons Sireplsoe in ths "w&~t;erki-t;ohen," I; dongC
kflf, Bs have staor$, aZ1 these yewe;, E have %aka
ray. chfldssn slad suas of ray gr~ndcldldlres~there %a see
5%. I tMnk the last visit was abuu% 1928 when I had my daughter mdt one of my ~LecesBhe~+ec+-~
.s@Ko%ea There is z. photograph of the Dlc&em house in the biog~aphyaf doh Khox lkfreau~r
a&Iiver9 frt 8oohester, New Hctrk, whee he mm~ieda.
yamgs~Cbao-bher were both doa%srs in Re3w Yopk stafe in Bf fferent t~wns. Th@ ~dXbut~-%h@r~ad@~%brofher
&lea, just a, small. town. Of the ~is.tie@s,one VMI L %eaeher 202 a wh9le bat &ie& rathex em?ly, a~d%he
Bmt bid none of the children ~tayon the family P~PIIZ? Olaey: Ha, aene of them, They w4re all within re%& bwt 9m diffexw~t%owas,
the family. -- Blney: Bee, It seems to have been* I have some old books tha* bather brough* from the old home* They doaft
amo=t to mu&, but %hey evfd;en.t;Zy had booka in the
2hen when Father went to college, Co Union Gollege in SchenecCady [1855-1&5B], he had @o earn his way tlmaugh so that he sas eetually in residence only
about a year and a half out of the four $ems, adthe OUeyt ke~fof fb% %fa@he wa~tw~eMngan8 efudying, h-b he fih&lg zeeseaivt%dhis 811p2mw from Union GokLsg@. He, was a &mmmLtg of HIP. Wwl~fngW ~ ~ h%ex~ & of ~ Q ~ ~ Be;sks3ey, farad Hsfr, J,B, Iabheesney, who late2 waB p-sr%nai- pal of the high srahoo2, in Oakk@nd. Banmt Bld %he$@ @%her bays woatk m mashas your fs.khes did whP1e~%hey were in soZLegeP QUeyz 1 &sat% &aw. Why fafhar [email protected];c go 50 eollsget B5d. he have %azrsgeeia'l. proies~isa.b, mind?
(Smey: go*. I,aeag &f.s uncle J B i~@g$~%~~ & f@ do j,.t;, but I don't im~r. Wle he was going %hFoughcolLege he waad gee $a.ae$i&gposil$@as im @@&QQL- h~usesi.us gaxar~rwas largely fis paom b:am&w&M Gome heye the aMl&~awen$ ~oUo.1~Be as.&
a.e~grfba is;l very v&pi$ c@lossr !&a~g
wao gmati rivalry be.tiweem the farmerst wive@as $0 who fad $he teacher Beg*, P$@.pe-wa~ vm&e$y
$a the ..:pp&eof o.soMfig."&a$ he got in homes. He had %a eat, i% all e~e~jvEeeYeha lived* be.eause if he BZdn'f ampmisoas would be &awn and the bas%.ee~would ear, MWell, of course T canst cook as well as Nss, Some- body, It was quite dramatie. Fabher would eat; enornous
dinners adthen was supposed ta sit fox a while ad CO~- vwna For ths benefit sf %haia~ailg,mb ha would ge% arcr &2e@py%ha.%her would alatost fall aff hfsr @h&fP unfa the amo@~tsm@ whea he sa.114 ex;rtum Umss21 ad go nga&airab Beaatxfze he ha8 to do ama ~BadyLng, %ha%
Xo, S dorkqL remember %he% he 866. Was it eonsidered quite a change by his family'?
I doni% think so,
DFd he %el1 you a.ny%hingabout his studies at the s ernriamy? OZnay: NO, He nentfsned some of the profesaore there buB I donf% renember mything Eos said,
IloBh'flemn'e Pmilg were from Bnglmd ~8;.tlzsy same to herioa. about. sme time %he Re5ea.n~di@ti The Bawleye lived i~ differen* glac!ss a% firs%and u2timately ~1ettle8in the tom 02 8al~n1,mie %haywere
kL@ fa%has,used bct go to IJew York 8~eryyear, nad. %ha..% he carried. son.@veFy n5oa things, like clse-~~sgs~as
an&nj-ee %hfrsgs fox both men md RQE.~JIto wear. He seeme to h21Ve be@& quile prasperoaa, Theye wss a fmily in 9d~mnaaed Hw~sy,wd%.h w Pajs~Jmss Ramey. I &omattthink he was in %ha.% b~,-2ne~s.But mgr mo"cer*s mwkhes wanr a Harvey, anb
the couple butlt a veyy niee house in Salem, - Sala was a beautiful village ad the coufiry round- about was lovely. 1% ~eziadsone very strongly of places en mrad England, what the poet used to call "sweet cauntry," a~dSalem was onlr four miles from the tio %h~foathfL1~ of %Bq f.32~~61~~.Iauntetijebs wrM.oh wme
VWY ~~eri%a~Zn %he autumn the aoLaring ofi theee &isw
3m-b hill8 W%B very, very b~autifab~8alem i-k~eliwa#
and maples, ad the $~eaa*by the tine Z began t;b
visit $hare, wexg large ma shaded %he straets Beau%$* Etall.g, 2bere wore sidewalks rvhiah wepe compoead OF very largo sheets a$ slate% The~ewas a great deal of slate
kmge ens%.& fo.r WO peagl~$a wdlk abreacs* aa -u were laid fffL&t for %be si.dewalk and as&a a vssy goad me, sa Qhe place was wall paved.
Barn? Fhe houses meTe woo&= above the mwbls 83a25e Zsada* B5bm, 1s %ha% right?
)L%eyt Yee, BometPmes a facing cf mexbls: would be put arctmd
jus-t for looks, so that you bad you^ Bause s-tading on
a white marble table, so to speak. O';I,Eley: Thore was a es$ream Chat -t;bou& $he %@m, odled mibe ~ssek,m4 there was a goo& bed 02
%xoubPe in *ha bag$miq as $0 wh&t 8eZem ahm96
be adled. 1% waB actxzally known ots Ehitg G~ee& fax a shor-t +%me, but; fUaXlfr tho am# SaXesm wm ahsseai f&i@aaa.@&S;@ $.trB@ glea~~~~.of
pespxe. f$ wa@. a*t; pa&%, make a pond big enoq& ffex p1ew-e r~wba&a a aulapefi a very .*. ..
B1ml fn ai,&$lg of $o\~BP~02 +he ~~~&&+@? Qllssy; aeexe& wa@ r-g&4; %be. 'd@% %he bnai- fie:sg+meal ba% $% @met:&@agh $he ~@@%.d~fi@e
$rf,e%an %he e&ge 0% if gate^, i&~~.t;rfta;s -
h$a 8a;la a&there wag a ~$11t;hep@for g~t#&:- ing ebrn 9 s~zve& fhs whole oomLy, +he
ashole. region my~fay,and mother &barn was buL2% to give paver to thg ~Llk, %ma %here was a skist faolo~pa* Oee"'the ma %beye m&l ia&&jpfea of a s~gw2gByfrum BSme to time,
Ip grax%fa%herand. gx-andrno%her1~~O~XBB ~3t06d right on the bank ai &Z%e Creek. 3Ivery'aabgr hab their own wells, sa drlnkfng water rtsme from a well, Tlz kitehen was buflt ~ightover the well and %he only way Olneyr %o get water in%o%he house was to pumg it in tha
Baunr W hieh I euppose requireti primbg,
Oaeyt Oh, peg, Qhcra were no w@%cx+gigst8 %ha heuo@ 8%
all. All the wa-tsr tar$ ~mz%edupivPze&~~~~for Bafihs*
and paw& into portable %ubs big ~EQU& to ~$4;ikl, a!&@ houtw had very eraall catrm@-ehall. %ha skrab~weat righ* 8tntxighf (rp &sa4 of you as yon en-beapad the fxantj boor, mB a$ %he tag of the @%air@
yetx~sold. and wire visi8e~d.t;ke~eL wa$ in mortal terror
of %his clock wd it %oak great &ourage OM my par& to ga aps%raLrsalone. H would &ow &own fop the last t&ee @%@pa and alhg to %he bmaSa-ks, wait;ching the
dXock, md then wheb my ccrzzrage rase Mgh enough T'd make a dash pas* it into whichever ba&ooa I was aim- gag for, I bon't t$bk that aaybo4y in the family haw ab0~%1;Ua few?, bta%I've remenrmb~rPj8 it: all my Iife* Wien you erne in tho fr0ur-b duo^ on %he sfight aids was the perlor, whroh ha& a vemy nice fireplae-e in it, an8 on the Left side was the sitting room. That Olneyx was heated by a 14sge ~aalsrto~a; the eoaJ. was pawed. in ths-lop a;n& worked itis way ~LowLy&om untf l it was aahw at the bat to^. 1% hea%ed$11 th$+ @fde of the+ kou@e.
diad by thta time 1 never ~awhim -- was right
years old, and she was brewht up by m aunt a&d unale
whose nms aao Freemta. Hather Cold me that rite a#e
yews old her fzthas mmied agar&, adthat wss the g~m&mro%herax we used .t;o sr-Zsi%ima the house md whom
T &@w* Barn: Is that house st3.12 stmdiMgT
Olnsy: 1% was %he 1a.s-t the f sag in Balem. &d very well kept
UpI %0Qr Baum: Bas it z larger house thaez your fa%he~'s hoa~eeL home?
03neyr Yes; it ha6 a ~eoandfloor where %herewere f~urbed-
rooms, md a very large attic whem my grem8mother ueed
to store a. good marry of her clrLoices-i; gmdem plaits dvz- Olraeyz ing %$I@ wfmber, Bhe was a notable gardener and had a 9a~?g@gm&en filled wit;la flowers, Phsaa wa1 great ~LvaZsrybatweem her aarzd ~ofihorlady wba alsxo had ea.
1a~gepgm&ext# tibe3 oaa who got ha2 fw@hpease;
onLa %ha table firs$ in the ssason bad w@B tha* racel
Bo6h of Weae plaae~hzad ~egstabh~ZE~~BPZS~~P~QB*
la~geenottgh &Q fosd %he fmilio@~m.@~my gxrnd- mobher would Saduae an Ba~Lerlily lo bloom it was alwap ns%etdin %he u&llage, paperr 'PFS~ Hawlay f2&0 8 lily in BScaam in her pmlar ri~4avtr. 2ha%plaoe of @n+mdtme*swas redly very a'btraetive.
ft had 8 large sqnme lawn md in the oe&%ar of ihas what was lmom as the ~raundbed ," &evotsd oMefly $0 roses. &ery one of the role bushe6 was carefully laid over, bent over, in %he late auttm~ cmered wi%k a&es at2 bamde with sw%120n tap3 adthem they a13 o2ep-b all wia%ex 10ag. When spreng cane %hey were anew%he&ad Bied up aa trellises, zsad roses won3d blcrsr; very p~etoP~slle3.y. Baw: I% sounds like %herswas a, 10% of work to %Ms house.
Dfd you^ grmdrno%herha~ehelp?
O111ey: 022, yess she had gm8enass. She had two cows wtd a horse and buggy, agld Bhese were all in the back of the Olney: properby. She had a ~QB,60 she Uved very co&o.%ta- bly Indee8, @he bad some ntee fur'~ti%Weof the gsriod,
whm they didlXzft meet2 #ny fezw~4atad it oaner~alad;the
fng i~ tall ail& Izai;a, a&%ha6Mad aB thing, Yhe~e
wa8 quits 8 variety i~.9hci~eif~ecbamds. Baznm: DL6 yo-ar mati-her go fa sohool in the vfllage? Olaay: $he wen* +a aakrsol a% the Waehiagton Aeaderny, where she rnet Po%he~.8ha seesmo to have had a very happy sshocl%hsas& yowig Ladyhrp~cl,, She was s&Led *the p~stGise+tgirl %m Salem md seeas 60 hme ha4 a
good many beaux. %he met$ to Calk a good deal aboue going olei&%ng in the winter, ad dancing Coot 'they had paxties which she went to. Bhe seeras %a have been
very gay, Bmr 2herr were awe ysare whm she was at h~a8ler while your
f&%her wag . away af asll@g@t3
OU@$o. AJ.1 tibia aavrt opr. whSL@ he was away9 yes, B,~uEI: I %ake1% %hather religfon was not %ha.$ . . .%orb%&&a4x1 daw~e.~
Bm~fl! B$& $he have brofh@~@ sis%efa? OZneyz $he ha& two halfubz?others, GxmBiwLhar md his aeoand
wife ha& two IQKLB; Q~Iof %hen &iedwi%hauDat%y ehiL&em and the ~Lherhad two chikd~em,bath of whom still living, @a @o~rsspo~~donce a ye=, Barn: The half-brsbhe~snu& hav~bean qu&%sa bit yswger
the. sme.;r~time,so %.hatE w~u2&ma& them %ken,. &a$e~one ~f tbm moves 80 &ston g&d I: as@.& to dsi.t hb
his.wff,ei. of $be= tprt;a$ here liv&
p&~fit.@$02 q*+e a wh&xej,$0 we kept t;tp aur ~~q~ab%mee
in th&% W&y' Batzm: How long df d your father's parents live? 01~aye They died before I was born, and, my mo%harfe parefiLs dia,
too, sa that 1 never saw any of my real. grandpareate, The only one waa %hisstep-gran&rnother, ad besids~our hese an61 ~pentia whole win%wwith urs in O&band, !!!h%(~when we li~~don !i?Mx%e~nl')a 8trta&. 1% was pew notable; people came Lo see h@r btmaa@%she had s.r?o~~sd,the aontlneat a% the age of @ererventyl' fook her a week on %he Bra%& Barn: Porn mother nuat havs quite cXose %a her s-f;eg- mo%he~+ 8lney We=, @he was. 2hsy were naf at a311 d.%k@,Bu% %her
got afi ~e?p$well, Ny grayldmothe~IWEB~ $ past ls%ter mfComt an& she ussb to wLOe to nq zasther regaXeIy, every week, a14 tell her hho %he g;m?de~leakel
wLra QWI~ iia @&I. OB herr 8he W~I quits a papalw? figma ~n 8fab~;she hew meqb~dl-ymd pe~p11used -t;~ @@me ~eeher. She waa always shwt in during %he w e She ra%herfanoled bei~ga ~ensi-in~a3.5.d~so when wrin%ex! aaae aha @hut; hsrmlf up in %he lzcruee kamd
I Bawz Than your father aae back from aeminuy and claimad his yeas ma& %he& he waa o&lls$ %a the Oaagr6gafisna.l UBmch jLEa Espxingfi~ldl,Tlliw~f$;l Bwmt E haw & fib&%%he first ahxmeb he wexi% to was bra91?ha~ea,Coaneaticu&, ia 1861.
OZnaeys XIS; he^ wepe ma~~rSe&in 1661. During the wa PELr0her wenti $0 ffir@aiswlk-t;h &a% was cd5e& &he Qlmi,~~i%fika~ Bom5~siorm, U.1 $ha Red 'Gresrs work erne muob, la%er, but Ohe QkmFst;San-Gmiasionhelps&the soldlera in my way they could, lmy of %he soldism eouldatb even write m,d the members of the eomissto~would often t?tri$e letters home for the men, and %hey read the Bible Blnege to them md talksd $0 %h%mon raligioua matter@, and did any%Ungthey aould to m&s the life of the
soldiers a li%tleoasisr, Xatbss waa dw8y a few aan.f;hs, I donf* how how long, in %ha% wwoxk, Did. %ha*. ~thangethe &.f;na%fOD iri $ha vilfags where he wee miaist.erT 1 suppose many of %he boys v@&% Into %he &my,
0-ey.t fe~-&ia&ee&. Bau~t When did ha gee to Springfie3dT
Olneyt ~ In 1667; that would be &%er the WW.
Bawg E)Q yo- Wow wb-~'hewen% $0 ap&@ield? Olney; TiPat;her had. $he ogzCl~slnof. the pioneer; ha @t%t?%@d g~~.o&ehiagin ETew Hnglaal and Bh.en %.hepeg%a;ppaXed to him, ad,whe~ he ~seeivsd%~L.Bc&L he a@oepCs&
i$< pa,ther =& NoOher lived $ax five ye-8 in 8~rhg-
happy beoause he ha& a grodng ohmch wd he made esma
vegy nice f~~rlende,'bat;$pr%ngfi,eZQVJBB no.&, ;a ve,ry bea~tlfnlplace ar9gfnaLly md. it was bail% ia a par% of the aountry %ha-t;was Prigh3fulI.y nudril.y in %infer, Fhey used Lo -be31 about people befag eaugh-b in the zud a26 being smo-kharedl: to death, .md there was one nofable story about someone who waa making his wag
though the mud sad he xiaticed a hat 2>7ing om the am- OZnapr iwe, @o he aal2ed oa&, "Are yoa in Braut1&TR
right, bat pdty the pear am ~s;~sEfa~a~aa%b.me, . .
' l&amolnt a hause &%1& ghWs Bpri~gflela,
$pzl.gngfee,x&SO~Z;~f'.ga.a way as we&$ Q.E., 3
to d@k$ people ~y@@lfwhn 1 WB,~
e%udfr$~g8%Bg&aJPffa @4311eg&p.a ~mbezwepa lefwhe
p~.~be~&~y fgljhep md. naaey w~ysveqf j&ng
'&a meP S weat &10ag. ei3 agp5figfa&d, %o s$si%;,
3-: Is Brmingham. ;a bea&$f~h %ovai Itlee
Olneyt Yesd T@P$ l~~it~@%y+a1 l&k~-b Ha~?isa@hg@.&$Osasylj%%iyy momd J$aw4;on,,
Bammr- 1% nust have been h~:~d.tie leave @slmadPrmitagbam.
QUey: ir&b;Bay al,wa~@acg:oma~fla%ed&~FEJ:S?~~
Father thou&% the the~pfay $8- to do, 8~6she
was a.lway-s vary mrreafi in her a..t;-t;itvbde arid &fa good work in both the ohurohe'n, But she enjoyed Ca,,Lifor&i.a very mueh, She 3ilce& it ou-t; here, Bbe was af core a
%ew Yorker and ahe didnit feel at home as iimoh as she On: BaB in her girlhood (pephapa %ha%'@nagural), Inr.l; @he
wek~V@P$ happy he~bin galifomia ad en joy&, 1iv2~3;g
It wag owions Che way FaGher ome ts Qdifornfs, 6ge 09 the members of Mrs churoln wa~h%aresGcedibaanw oiaLLy in %he Baltimore & Ohio R&lro&, am8 for that
%he We~tap?pealad Oo la&=, So out of %hat tr5p offered Urn by the Spsimgfie3d f~isndha was indnosd %a come to Gdffornfa. Bamt When he erne be had no idea of looking f~xmother chuxoh? Olnsyt Bs, no, jusf a trjg. to %hemsa long a@ tiher lived. Vfe umd to vtait +hem 9ra. Be~keEsy, Hsw &%d. youp f~&tae2nest %hem? E donq%Wow how they me%. %hen were you box~l? In 1873.
So that waB just after year fmilp arrived in Oaklzmd? Olneyr !I?$@nexb yrsw.
Barns Wh&re d5d ~oxar:papenla %&@ ap r@~ib@ne@fri Qak.ladT
OZrroyl Them waa a honm %ha% sCsad nsd *o @hxi~ahwhese %hey wen* to ISVQ, af%~r@%ayifigw%%h %ha fdlagg$,
E dont%how W~B~~IP5% WBO Q=& by Dhb @II?uxB~ Q1 HOB! prs-bly If was. 2he Firis* ~sag~sgat5anal Bha~@hsC "cat %fme stsodl on %ha asmer 02 Ie~.t:h I wiALler$ her mQsa%[email protected]. Bhe beloaged to the famuas Fb.nsp ZaIJy -- he wag s pmaqh~~,'X guess, tn rOew B%gla~~ltd.tghe lb-cr-ad in a very mEt2L how@ and had a very larga gmdlan, ma I used ts pJa3~ave2 in %he garden fao, ocmewha4i. 1uC she was a liftla amefu3. of her flawexbsb~. And 1 had the oak t~es~om
OW place if80 pLb$ ;in4 Baum: fau aus%have baa a fairly large ymd a% yous awn
Olneyr Tea, It was %he chw~k2,ymQ5 it wasaft; very large, W.t; was mo fence be.bween it an& our heuses The h&b af %he bLoak that faced Broadway ha& sDarea art
SD, and all %he way up from BZret 3t~sefthere sere mixed, &ares md ho~e~,unt9h toward. Tenth Btreat, and then there wsxs all ~tsres. Our pm%of' Wa8hirngf;an B%sest also was abou€ %he begjmiirng of refail s%ores,
an& $hey rm np as fsa 88 J?~~r%f?~?:n.&h&reef i 1 can remember the infesior of %be Tenth 8fxseS
chmeh very well, becauee on raiuy days when I couldn't go out-of-doors Father wvuZd take me over to the chwch
and he ~wdT would m up and dam the aleleri: wc2 get
Strwt~$up 60 %x&rfeen%h,eo we ha4 %a elwp som~where other %&ain Lhe how@, We egenti Phoee n3.ght~awt
O&~Wld 3- %h€+X'@W$l?@ @Q ZI18;13Jf l'i@WCfQLE@FBjf, ~hndEIe?nr of %hsse hot~elshad bseame reafd@ntiaJ-, The p@opLa who owned an01 rnansge8 the Windsox Ha%aX were menbars of our oharah sa we wen% to %heirhstel an& spefiD two ax %,Mae ntgkts, which seemed ta me a rep$ advenWrou~ t;hfn~gto BQ. 9hene were vaoan% Zo%@aphm$y WQ~Lour new fat, sX%haughit was qui%@Ln the hea~t02 %OWE -- 0a1y a bboak Prom the Oity Hall an& f~arm*he fhebuoe, Ahvs the f&rehouae there waff a Lrrdane~zdsus ball %ha.% atmal
whenever: there wag a fi~ese that we dwayra go% $be benefit of %he dm. BiPfsaent nafghbsahoods fn
OsJCLand WBFI des%gna%edby s Q~x%B&~n?i~~~bs~ 0% a8;elakeo. Pive strokes and a gata~eand five s%aake@~a5awaul&
rna~zui.that it was in the fifth @Zeaband %ha$ would gi~e.us some idea as to where?!the firs was. Bamt Vas the only fire-fighting equf-pment rlgh% dowmtawnP
Olneyz Yes, 1% wzsnq% very fez to go tho86 days %O W$ Q)u@y8 pExrt# sf.%QW~.*
W@ 12v&6 a the old haua@, wi%B ;wi ad&ition
Baunt !I?$&.-new shuroh was builh in 1878, X $hink,ant3 %ha% am about the the rou moved grovr Bsuae too.
Bauunr You wem Ohere from 1878 %o 1895, TUB mew-b- that
ug %o that dine. Be you eme en be,^ what your fa-bhar pai&
for hie new 10% when he nave& %hs hauls&?
OZney: L getem $0 renembe~@5,QOCi a@%he grfaa af the lot.
1% was Oif%yby sne hm4red 2~28%~lCftt@ rtrvagh%in %he hssekrt of %owa now, B8.m~ Was i% s retsidsat%alwea then?
and vegetable gasdens and a stable f~rone or muape hol~eses, accorm8ing ta your mema. Tkfs was a. very pleasant house, earpla for a rather large fdly. The trees had Olnayz aheady grown up, %heyeeamad very. lar$e %a ma, ma my ohm a* that mrly period when 1.wm abotltt eight; gears old. w+a a nieaar of Ohia Nr. FlLaO, aed km u~31ea do allow as to gs over th~reto pl&y when
tree climbers, and them was one pins tree that had g~owuhqui.Ge large -- 18 seeemed %e usa a ~exy,vmy large Lr~a-- W %he brm~uhe8had growl%in ~aUha wsx that we oauld alimb ag near %he trunk ai tho tr@%
~Zmostto %he Lop, and then st% an a h~m~l-imd QOIS% from oae brash Bo anoChs~till we rsaehsd %hag~otwrd, Why wa d$&n'% &peak om aezeak~ 1 &@af%bow, bu% w@
PZWeP hW?% BW~~~V@I. ~beQBQ %t;s @lbbb1;L.p @El Cbs ~ssfaaf things %oo, and %&La BSSnf g2atm had a very femp%iwethe& in th@ ba,ok md we used -8s olbb up a&83.ide &am %ha shed roo% -- it ws@av$ very
h%& L- jump a%f 8% the bst%om. Bavm: %an donv% saad Ifke a ddg~iflsdIbL%l.ela4yo Olney: JToi We wezs %ombc+ys, !Phis friend lived e5gh.2; or
nine blocks from QW house, aELa she md I never Gouehed foot %a earth exeapt esossing the atree-bs; we ~Lwngs
walked the fences, an& tb8re were a31 kinds. Same were qui$e difficult to walk on, ofhers wsre nLceLy plam?ed 02 pieke%@.. Them WW.B am fa!@' %ha% WIB very aio@
89 wdlk on, . XQ wsa mount! a houpre %ha.% wasn pfc~mB@d in the nipiddle of the bloak and belonged to Mr. Peder
Sather A- %batrime aught to be %miliarto you,
B~urnr Tss -* ar 8&her 6a6s.
Qlnegr Ha3 had bu112% a ver~elaborate fanot? with & PWLL
delsis in i1 all %121 way a~oaad%h@ blio~k, 2he tcq
was quite wad& ~u $hat we eovZd almoof run 8,10~git, md we always rejtrieted when we got to %ha% pla~er
Sone af the other fe&@e&v$e;renc%quite 10 good.
I3u.t;: eve3pybody had ra, ffleaceg $h&ra were dl~o~il% no glaoes $hat wez@ nat pso&ec~bedby @onekind of f encte, md it m$gh$ be any k&n&%hatPhe omisr fanaiad,
always with gates %hatla.t;ched, Tho#@ femce~wepa %he
rosdaay far nos6 of the chfl&~efi'b@aauee&haywere! lala af Lflwn to walk aa, 1 r@@&~btwhsa eooFeu2 we were a$ a few af uur ~i-$ighbsrawho ~ow2&ame aa6 -4
kv82n u~ noo m-d than %ha% we augh*b not t[;rr weEk arz those picketa, %ha%we might fall and huxt ou~eelves. Va never paid any aleention, arid ae %was I ramember vsa never fell, tsi-ther. Bamo Kbat did you wear when you were daitzg a13 fbis clinzbi~rg? Olnayo Oh, meray no 1 f"w1$~I Perf ~h tlas .bhowt@tu Wb wcsm aldr"c say, X ai&t @peak6f dho a%ree%s ad gL8snake, because they're so different now. T doat%remember
lzhe paving on B~oadwayat all, but one OF t~oof %ha &troette;rnew sur hsaae wss;'e no$ f;avsdl. %hayware jw-ti 891th When they Beg= to pave they uoeG what wao
sdled ma,ea&m;it was nma4 afBolr R Npcl MOM&@who inven%ed it, and it wsa os~poesb~f small gkeaae of
g~mi-te,B snoa%hundtwswf:aoc wad mde 0% .the+ ~~ezest an8 then on %hatleva1 were d.umped %ha pSases ~f
grm9%e, 6;nB %hen they ur@xerc91leb hnBs Ghe awthu 1% really rnda a smso-bh ar~dgood streeG. The ~aLytrouble with Zf vas thaP in a heev rakfi~tomperhops a
Ii-ttle tr5ckls bP vqafsr WOULB ge% in ~&IPOW ~f those Zf%%las-t;cln.eo md gpiadt~allymra& away E. l&$OLe
beai;z md %$st vfould gat l~grand lager F& finally m8.k~qgike a bump. Ektra pi.eoes of stone ware of%@&
f;hro\~~ainto the boles, 'I;lw.,%. it ~qirzlen'8 a -ver.yl.aating
~El.~~~@,fit. .
Phe sidewalks were ~~1gth.ingthe house OXIMGP
wai~%ed.,and there was a smie-tg of aoadsla. sid.awolka two or three people abreast, bu% it was very easy on a rudnpday to slip off S-nBo the oraok be-tiween and
get pre-kly ma8by and. apt...i;to-recI A f evr sidewalks oapecially dowatswn fa tiha busfne~adis%rEo%,wem aom:pletelg covesad from ths aurb up to the propex4ig line, 'bv-t -&l,~alwas rev-er dowre in Bhe reaidlame dis-
"zPi@%a w Im E~,S1 ~EIGBI. Nay people put no nfde- we-&ke dovm autside their properlg, buti Isft km.~e
f5r:fl. F1mt of ~O.WEB had to B.e a4.l;end.ed $0 .qgi.t;-~r- often, ktIt several aP even the good houees.had thase em%h sidevf&d.ks. Rhsre %ksrewas no sidewalk, the
pat,h,a- oft= full ~f'puddles asd it was.@gar% fun
t;~sge bow .lew ;rou .could go wrfbhout %he w~texrwm%ng
ov'er the tspa of J~OG~mbbe~8
Barn$ That kir~d.of city ~tequirenamtewere there for e, house- hold.erts si.dew&k? Did the city mulze a house owner res20nsihle far his sidewalk? Obeys 411s cit:y task nc respon~ibility, agparently. 32
Bmt 3wb i%'cS$dforse the hsto@&alda~4% 016 %ha% --'f
perPeatLy deltgh%ad whaa people begm $a gu% dawa
Look apoaqd. hd $ha way %he sfbenaUs were OoVe.~ed made $he street diffavpent from mg%h&ngnow, beoarks~
instead. of having ca1zvaa awniags, whf cEr are ,piat too Y~W~~TOMS
these d~gsa2,wvay, they hilt out a wooden atruolure
tka%reachad from %he bu5ldik=itself nut Lo the &utter fu2 becr~ttmyou were nevar $he ho.C sun an& never the rain, asapt if you urosseed %he @IixeetL, Baw: Isre they we31 eaaugh bublti to keep out the atkin? 8hoy: Oh, yeB, they war@ heavy wodet2 a%tFofre,md f %hink they were sMngl%d,sa, aB X Bay, you eoald go ah@p- piag on a rainy Qara&no% get in%s%he wrt a% tall. Ba:tamo Bid they go %mm ~%s~sLa store in a eorn+&n%au~ aavwing'b Qms$a The wholes blodk would have t;'lzb~~WaAfig*The &tifexr en% stares buflf; %hen% %hat %beyme$ adt it ma&e om@ a~nt;inwmetwmr.
As X slm%@65.%O tello one af %hoChZags we
%he hamiass @bop, bit$at.t&~terestn.8 oay mah, bn%
$b,@r;.erne~e o$hsa wjn&~wgjaom W&Q& we Nc;h~-~en
things Pib~twer& 2kke C@ havei esspeoia11;g ia a 0@rf&i81 small ailvex md jewelry sLare. Per just laved %hat.% place because it had faselnating napkin rings of
vcwpious kimda. f remember one a&de of silver: the. blaego ring ww h@l&up by a l9%81@ ~%J,v@FehPek&n, md wo . thought %ha% was very shesf:, Wa would chooao th~sesilver thtngs partiortlarir. I don!% this
the jewelry fn%&reha.ffed.us 80 muchi
And %ha WB w~uldQ O 80~ iit boak~tofeand %ha~@'d be books op@n~dto aolor@dglehrsas, @on@ far ahildsgta, an& we d aloe% those, Ihe dry-gsetd~~
store^ were a IifibLe hi% beyond bl.ra.2 age8 we &fdaGt taka ao intepee% fn %he&. It mas %kc saaIls~
plauea wa Liked. Tlte~of ~QMZI~%he @Bar'$ -* v$e uaed to look at the 8i.ffa~m.t;Wnda 02 amd.iew ma czhooao what wat& have,
The finlay par% was %ha% ovlC o~ the ea&ge@of
%he ~5iaewg.lk~were racktit for ~ewsgap@xer-d jag% what the$'~a trying abeSish here in. JEAgrkeley sow. Among the dafbg nawspapssrs and some wecklf ss ww a periec-tly fasoba%S~;tgmngaa;fne eglled "Polh3ts BaaeLte
md 9% w&s Lklu~%p&ac$by vazy ~.T;EP$&piefares -d ldie~mB gentlaen wha were getting %he;moeZvesinto trouble one way ar anotkez?, mtxrdaring ewh other and various things. Ws would synafldon in front of thwa
rnokrt: where the ttPol%caGazettestt wero, arzd lnrg Lee,rned LQ ow aduaa*lon. aid %hayhaw BeparBaanl o%or@erin O&J*md, then? go, *hers; waaaB%&u;leh.a thing 8s a dspw.tcbnent ertoPe, The Piye% one %ha+ T reme~bermything about w&a the bsghmimg a% wha%is now %ha3&qm%t2ain 8tm FrmaLeao.
was oae thing a$%he mocaxy wag a%~fikce~, the
@hi~mdell$eeff ese ahcap *. 8s the ~2;azwoa.ere m&gm gj+~;ei
Were 8hezs offieea ahova. ths &ores? Offio:es above a@@.%;of the Only o&e sta~~yabove ,,:Ezswev~r, Tbeae were Dao~..sdory bukld- bgs, ~lometimeajust one B-kory. &B. BEPS~'of then had these heavy woodea amlnga.. Were these awnings peculiar to OakLaud? Iqo, they had %hem all over the ooumtry, I tihick. f seem to remember swing them when wa went traveling, though the ghoBogz?agha 1 gave %haLfbrmy, so $haJ%you am eee what? %bey we. ~amt YOU were talLiag about %ha neighborhood right arbusad. your kouse on Tbir%eenth SDreat, nszs the new o~sohe
fhi~@#don1% sswad Very a~oaded. Olnszyt there were o great many vaawt Is%@, mosB of %hem
wiLh oak %rsss on them, There were f%n~%.%eQ& trees %ha& we oEriL4ran enjoyed climbdng an the b1aak as& to as, between Bashing%an =b Bro&ww, Thir*f;eenth and
rest of %he 30% was enptyb exsep-h %or the a& %rees, so we wed to climb thea quite a Lot, Bu% %he block where we Lfvsd had mofher of .t;hebsa se&;E.d@~%Z;ialhotteLer which Z aentload bei~re-- %he %il-sonHouse, which was dire~flyogposiCe %he fire s%&%$an--tmd%here wa,8 a 3syenth Bay Mventisti oliti~& on the oomezp bewrnd urr, sa Qley and Thirteenth, The Me$ho&fs%ck~jispchwas on
Paurteeath and Clay, so them were quite a nmbar of ohu~chesthere, Baumz Was the Seventh Day Advsn-bist chwch a very large one3 Olneys Iio, it was qui%esmall. $amad X didnlt x$a.lize iQ was aaeh a subotasrlial seat %ha% $ax baakc
Qmsyr ney had rather lg pre%%ycshlarab, with, lastsm3 a9 a
psin%edsteeple, darns b- o xsxiall dona ~de@&above
th@ roof, 9 used GQ &f xe SP. The I&hodlat ahreh waa in @o%kz%.@e9yEe -- no& of %he ahurches asse, ZC use4 Ca aem@ righ% up
agafna9 azur bm-k ywd, a&@e would bear %ha esln.gQg at @'Ea.w@ha@@-t;5agsc
nsfg$bo~h.oo&of aL3 %has@ ohaohes., The Ffrs* Presby- C&~B&,: wM@hw&a a 1ay.g~ad Z&~wi&bin,g one, was om the of&e~s;jSda of Bp~adway,an.H'rtwab,ma. Fomtsanth.
Paw t Were all the ministi srs friersdly? QZmze$: Oh, yes, They lzad amicable relations. Bau: Did your f &hex2 always remain Bongrogational? Be never
inclined, back fc, the P~esbyterlan'? lo. Be wae, a vary firm Congragationalist..
z ~bf3~pp0g~YOU a$tefid~dG~UFQIIBQTV~QW~sgulmay,
~sr. All the ohurahes in %hose day. had a morning '
s-sml.ee and. att evening ser-criee, and tha make tag of.the! two a?a&ienoe$was quite diff@~ent. I$ wae quite %he %hing for yowg m@a to invite Lhsir gi~la go wi%h them 60 ehurah on S~nBayev~ninga,as the mngrega-
in the mor~ing, Shere asme8 ta be me& who live&al~n&
OF who weye ;tn OMmd or^ buoins.ss, mad %hey would Dome
adapke& ts that type of audiemae; That was 'bm;t6? €k$ the Gemoms of $is Ius:cle.gsar, Dew Q$eb~l@e8, BEZFOWPS
I$ was a pspula~d&e. yes, it was. I don't; mew why the. eurs-bom was ekranged md ~hy%he evel%L&g aemi~ewas gi~cmup. Di6 they have a Smdar s~hoolmrwg@nen%Like %h&y ds nowadayoY Yes. We had in $he Ty,fslf$h Strest shur@ha Tery fmge Sunday aehool, 1% oame right; after the.aosafng service, and ws didntt geii hone till about two otoXook for our midday meal. elenascis@by Lherm@e1vesl;.thee high mhool beyo and even ooma a% %Be Univarrai.$y sW&@nOaused %o have a ~Lasta of the* own, Fherre wem eIa~ae3sfor s2d.er girl@.,. tao, Then %herewas a la~gegrimmy ~ohaolf2% wag in tho 'se.r;g mwly day^ refemed to as Ohls JtnfejrnB
a Bmday ~alto03orchesltra wMah was f&monlsall m~md thLs side sf the Bag mad wUeb played very we11 ilabead. There were b~y~md girla in 90 vha did 8st nae@sa&rilg belong fo ou~eongzsga.t;ion but oOhera were we2cme, ad
&$ finaflg had &oat Wrt-y m6abc;rsr fa %t, They gave a
a special pl~,tfomwac b3iZ-b ou% around tho papi%0@ aesoamo&~l%eBha archestma. That+ eeaear% was a%wa$a looked forward Do with great pXeras~~raby mwy people.
Barn; Bothimzg started 8% the churah txatil eloven ofclock in the morning? Oxn@gs No. Bmt And then it went &n&o the afternoon and %her@warp an
:. , evening rservkebe, Weple %h@~.ca.oCh@r m@@%ing~ in th& . . . .
Olnayr Oh, mang. The rromants slooi~.bias-- they had a society
mfssio9tafiss in eke waF of naking bed oomfca.t°Dar~ma elothing thaC ?as sen& otiexaeas, They looked af%a~
soma of the poor 92rt the ahurah. 9hay %ere qu5.t;e a.
She thaaght the ZeaBersbip otz@% to be shataeb. 8he 6Zd led about evsrflhing there wasr; shG was &Lwlilys.
shai~man!and presi&satg perhaps $0 bagin with, a.d then she wm1d sea %ha% aomb~&yelse $oak her glaoe,
vta~ld,go om b&,ng i~$e~estsdant& eerkbg bv.% &.@,
lilcad to have all the woman Eaks part BBB. hohd. raapoa- sihility in their societien, 8he as very mch ia%er-.
ested ir~.foreign mis~ioaa~yw9rk9 too, adB~S was chairman of v-ta~iousgroups of ath.er avomen ~l~owere 02myt o~gazieeQ.t;o look &$$ex niseioae in fore* fteZder,* I pea* many mtssaisnmiee wed %o gatm tbotqyh 6raJchinr!te
They wan18 have fhasia fkr2oughra home %X 8 ye=, 10 fhey watnld arrive fa lan Fs%an@bar@acurd they weFe oflien irtviOed do @Cop s while-. Fhey would ~esg& on their wa3ik. Sane of them were very in%erersting spsakerrsr and gave ue a very lively aaoount of the oo~#.ftm(ieewhere they were workAng asnd Bhe progretsrs of %he Islj~aions~As I told you, most of the hotela in Oakla& were fox
residents only, and &ha too i% 008% so~ethiagfor the
mfssf~ise$0 stop a hatel, so my02 them would spend one night or more, a~mettemesa week, at our house. Bamr 'PhaDtawh,v you needed Sow bedroom*
Olneyt Yea, We wed to double up, El waB ;hnteres%ingfor me because cat %he dinne~table asld during the day a great deal of i~o~tionwoP;LZd tnickle ou%, things they wePe
reminded of and CQII%F&EJ~M lrhat would soous to 8km in the way of liuing-a I use& bs be quite Pntexe~t;@cPLo hew then tu* One went I remrsmber: Phere wax6 some Q.ilber% Xslanders &own in the 8&a%h Psaitfier whet rem w~eoked; QbUeyr %heyawe %a eatsoeer ma a atom ewe ays an& .i[;'harrgwere blown way off .I;heSz oourae, Fhey we~iad2soovetreB by a rsmaW ndrsaliionmy mdl5lg rahig %heB&~ZW~..RR 16~, ~er7anall it wae, whiafe went; down thoagh all %hoe@
%cslkUds OWe a P%..~W?Z+f.edtmisE?io-gBTi8@ to s%€i.y
an8 live on these trmtous %@landas,and once & year it oaxriscl mail Oo then ma certa%nprsv3sianlgl This ship picked up these people; there was one woman and three or four menr The only way %hey aould gat baok to their
isbetnd (tbi~ship waa on its way to Japan) wag to go to Japan an8 them .tro 8an F~aots~o,because thexe was no eomnniaation between Japan md the seuthern islands, So these islanders were put into clothee ad ultbez.t;ely brought to Ban Frmcfs~o,and they were taken aowd from ehureh to ehuroh as e-bi-&s of Che misstonary work an %he isla~ridffi. Somebody took them to lmeh at the Palace Rotel, and they wouldn't taste their fooa until they had asked a blesstlng on it. %or eome seaaon or other, P~t;herand Mother had then to lunch a% our house one day with some of %he ehu~ahpeople. Ilf;was quite a large lmoh party %hey sat a% a, table by themselves. ('Ekere was ar. man who wen% rowd wrfkh
them evewhere 'besatnse %hey d%&~~8slpeak a word orf 03.nsyt they were Itn a misf@%exf@hawe. "Ehsy wesea very Be- ~s.lx%, Fhey finally were D&ea baak tio the Qil'tuer* Eelandas 1 fomd a book not loag ago CbaO hati an aaoawtt of %ha8 trip w%tha pietime of the native$, and I remsmberetl $hem all exctepd one, Can we go bwk to Sunday aahsoJ, a ainute? Thia is about the Chinese Sunday ~chool*We had a Lwge population of Ohinase Ln Oakland, and there was a bhfnese misa%on, and in our churoh Sunday afternoons about; five atclock the Ohbe~eeame Bo one of the mallef rooms end had their Sunday achool. That meat that all the Chinese who same to the ohurah passed along aorass
€he streef in single Pile, never twa by two --. real. Qhinese. They ware dressed in ChErmeere costume and they had queues with f;&slselowhich dangled down their backs
aB they walked, and Ohefr Ohinese shoes with the thick padded eolee and the loose pants and coat. They all woze American hats, T don't how why, all different aarts of herietm ha$s, We used to watch them. They'd be talking ae %hey wen%, jabbering dhinase, and wa.lkl.ag
slagle file, 80 that we eould hem Weir voioes oloar aarsss %he street, On OWneeo Hew Yew -- %heirmission was down 03neyt on Eighth $treat new B~oadwa.y, md we and many of the 4.bweh people used to go down on @hheseXew Yeax aomfng at %en o f~loek, they would have a
se~victe, This wag shply a renbd aatsx@ and they had an altar fixed up deaorated with candles and also with the large Ohineae ~rangswset on the altar, There was a Bible opened, and %he Chinese would sling a hymn to one of ow Lunesl but in Ohinwe, an8 Lla.en we would all sf-ng a Qmm in Englfah together, and then thsre8d be a prayex md a .srerg, very short lsesmon by some minister, %'henthe eedos was over they would Laos refreshments and they'd bring *om the back of the store tea in their little cups and dl kinds of breads and cakes and little cakes, and all kinds of dsiea fruit asla Chineae candy. Oh, a great variety. We would all 9art&e, of course, EZKI it was a11 good.
When we lefS we were away8 presented with 61 Ohineae paper nsph* filled with a few omdies and perhaps one littls sake, screwed up together, Whina New Year* wae quite an @vent. Baa8 I'm in%ereetec?in how ehe everyday life oP a i&ly wen* on 9n theear days. Bid your fa.trhec work at home?
Olnegz He had a Zib~my'ir,ulIQone6 Bhe house where he cUd a little of his waxk, bu% hi@ real working offi&e was in
%he ~hurchon Twelfth and Qlay. Ha &ad et very nice
study, and 'kheze he received people who wanted fo eome and $talk *o him about aL1 sort@of th-s, He wrote his semona md read. He had a library of bookes in the room an8 moat 09 hi^ work waar done there, Barn: Bid you all ea* breakfast foge*herg Olney: We all had brsakfast served a% a oertah hou~in %he duag room, Everybody oaQ down to breakfast together, and the maid cooked It and put it on %he table, We
had fruit and cereal ayrd eggs adbaoon and what-have-
Baumo Then your father would L~avesand go $0 hie stuBy? Olaey: Pea, Herd spend aerkin days there, and osrkain hame he wsta suppaead to be in hi0 study if pwple webmted to oone [email protected], Wberr Ere was m%%Saghis sssrmans there were odhsr homer when nobody was supposed to tJlr&6$1 Yea, we had s repha luu2okr and &innera+ x&gh%, %age- ehe~c?. Eve~bodydid.
Baarmt What did ~OI;XTmo%her do d&ng Ghe dayT Okyt Well, she averstaw the doings irl the houee, and there's always mending for a mother to do, a&she would write 1ett;ere -- she had a great many aorreaponden-ter in he2 fomner homes. She belonged to the vwions chwoh societies an4 other obi'ty societies in Oakland, md they had meetiulgs. Baumt Were these usually in the afternoon? Oheyt No, I think usually in the morning, Our life was very much the EsLfe of most women nowadays -- X should say -her lffe was, CEhere was visftina;, lmcb parbies, "rwing in to see Qhe neighboss," a g2ea-t deal mare of that than there is 2n these days, With all %he lack of appliances, people seemed %o have more leime fhan they do nowadage; They didn't expeet fo go so
Far; they might walk five or 8ix b2oak~Do spend sin hour with a frien8, but; 9% wa@ o#ly dnae in ar. long, long while that %hey would get as fas as E~aywwd, or even Berkeley. Baaw did yo= mobhex hapre hotx~ebldhelp7
Bbegr Xsasl. Everyone, eceem bs have hml help Ire %how8aysa.
Ihem were 80 many irmnig~tmtac-g into the eotm+r$ add aboults dl %hey eauld dlo was to cosk, Some of them
esoked sexy well etna gome of %ha os~kedvery poorly,
hti BYfoGhes~we~sfort;anaLtte, 2 had an Iriah arrzrse, %rah Hamon, who stayed wi%h aa umst;il I: aae about f9ve years old, and then ahe went to mother family in Oakland and I ueed to go and see he2 very often, As %he various ch;lld.rsn were barn into that other family 1 knew them as babies. The son of one of them ie quit;e prominenti in San Pranoisloo now. The he& of the house had been a sea oapkain and was
imz the lumber business, Tha% family werlsr very hospitable and very kind. Z used to rwz in %hebask door and up the back aCaira to the nursery, I v!&sn't any trouble
EZLY~OQ, Sarah, Chis nur@e of mine, was very devoted to me. Briany years later she marzied, very late ia life, and she and hex husband bough% a house here in Berkeley, I used 30 corns out when I waer fn college spend the night a& he^ borne, We kep%up our friertdlehip fax as long as sha lived. 3-8 Wha.1; we~eher dutSea when ah@wae takrfng ewe of ycrtr? Qlnegt Ball., #he did all fhe QMngra y@tihave to &a fa2 at amall ~Mld,and rshe wsehed my dlothcm, #Be wse veq pmtfcaulw azzdl ha4 he &xsersed far above my asa-tioxr, Z tW, fltlo.frher always boaght me the moarB lovely enib;~@fdterieefox my underweas and my @es~es, lotrely thfhgs, from lm Fxanciscto, and t3ara.h would see tba.t f was presentable when visftors came. 1 wag always pax%of ny father admotherrs life -- when they ha8 company I was always thsxe. Nagrbe not af the table, bat 1 alwaya made Lhe romde of the aompany md I knew my parantat friends qu9te well, and had many whom I really loved. h %boas days it was the cusCom If you
were on very goad tams with a lady %O oall he2 Auntie Jeness or Amtie &own, whter~erher name, md I pew
up with efex 86 many ~ ~ ~ s s . Bam: Not buC *auntie.It
03ney.a Yes, t' bun? Did menhave a sgeofal. %itle$ Loo? Oheyr Well, "unale. But I didn't know Cha men so well,
8f 00~1c?* kumr Haw mag semwts dlia you u~udl.1~bve? Obey4 Ones $yipa,y, who waa as geramal, srervmt* itb you ha& a Imge imntly or a lwge house ~rouwould hapa Bwa ox stvex thee maides. Tbtsa pe0p3.e who had large glaoae and owne4 their om harare8 M to have ooachmen and gar&eners. mey soonetiaea lived on tiha premises, but mmy of them awe from tiheis holaea every clay,
Baum 8 Was it fairly inexpensive Bo have hired help? ouey: Well, lather for yewe paid her one ssmant;, an Bngliahwoman, @25 a month, and she did all. the cookhg, a11 %he cleaning of the ea-t;ize house -- i% waenft a big house, but it ha8 four bedrooms -- arsd she insisted on clem~gthe windiaws every week, upstairs one week and downstdrs the next. Father used to plead with hex not to scmb so muah, but that was her duty and she did it. She cleaned all the silver, did everyShing in the house and vaited on the table -- that is, she brought things in. We passed things at the table usually. Baum : Did she live fhexet Olneyt Yes, she had a room. Barnr How m~ahtfme off did she have? Olney r 8ba had time to go to chureh on Sunday and Wednmday evening, I donq% %hrlnk she had much of any time regu- Sa.rly, X don't remermber about th%, QB~Y.: Mls netre on %he subject of domcetia plervm-bs,
1%ke ta, %he besauee I slhouLd say. . more aha% Qhilneaa
they playa& a, very hpos%~szLgmt; in Oalifornjta Xiie at %ha$ time 02 ooux~e,there were those who work@&in the minee and Ohosa who buile the railraade, but there were d.ao nwnbers who became house servmts, and a good Chinanan in your kitehen was juet the height of excel-
lenoa. ?hey were imahoble, Many of them went into tzouae serviea as youths and were tsatined by the olffer Chinese and lived with the same Smllies until they dled of old age, These wasn't an.ylhin; they weren't able to do3 if anything broke down in %he house the
Chinese were always able lo tinker wbth it aad make repairs, and a@ the family gxandehfldrea began to arrive they were as good as my nursemaid, They love ohildren -- Qhfneee do -- and I erne ember even dong in 1907 and )08 when we 1Sved in Berkeley, nexf door to us was a large family $ha% had an old Chinese servant, and in the afCsrnooms whelz he wasart busy he would go ouL in the gardten wt%h the gmmdehildren and atwry the littlestr one iaa MEIarms, and the other@ Olney: would all'run around hfs feet and he'd watch the. yo~stereplay. All the children adored this old Chinaman; he wm just like an old uncle or a grand- father, and that was the case in many, many families -- so much sro that some of the Ohinamen when they retired toclr. the family name of the family -wherethey had worked. Someone was reminding me of this not long ago, and said that two or'three Chinese here in Berkeley -- I've forgotten the names of the families -- were later known as Sing Jones, or whatever the name waa. Baum: Were the Chinese treated with respect by the employers? Olney: Oh, absolutely, and if you didn't look out you found yourself being ruled by the Chinaman, because they had ideas and traditions and carried out their ways of doing things, which vere almost always acceptable. They were very observant. Once taught a wag of doing something, they did it that way till the end of time; they were very hard to chaage. There was a legend that went round, I don't know whether it had any truth in it or not, about a lady who was teaching her Chinese cook to make a certain kind of cake that called for a dozen
eggs. She was opening the eggs, and wetll say the third one proved to be not very fresh so she threw it aside, OUeyr f;ts%er@he dieauo'~erca8. her 6Wnmm I&md3ng $ha$ titake aa3,waya Zbew away .&he %Mrdegg1
33mt YOU af8en red abou& with w&'c listreep@e%and erometime~ emelBy 4Yh5,nese were %rsa%ed,parkioularly by ~hildren' Q'lnsryt At one fhs there was glulte a zevalt ag&rsst Chinese werkmen beease they worked fop LQWCVXwagel. The houseboys iai&nqt, they got good Ugh wages, but the laborers .,, What did they call the sto%s in Sea Pranc~fecoled by Dennls Kewney? The sm4lot riota, 1 think, The laborers were atoned an& chased and maltreated ia cer$ain places, but that di&ntC last very long adthe houseboys lasted a long while, As
I say, it was in 1907 when this Chinman X speak of went out with the ohildren next door, am3 .there were st511 a good many of them left at that time. They all wanted 80 have their bonse buried in Uhina, and we came across a little mLaial; town up in the mountains one ewramer wd the very last of %he Qhiaese in that region were l&-vhgthem doing a lfttle mining
on their own. Act they Bied they were buried ri&% tihere in the little GhLnsse eetllenent an& their baase wexe left ia the growd a ~ertainrimbes of years aad then dug up m&mailed Lo Ohina, so %batthey could be Bawn~ Betting; baok to groat om Is~urseh~Sd,$l&d your maid do
%be glhsppZrrg as weE1 as the ~lbt~hgWI& QOIO~~~? (jbtayt No. lathex always did the ordering, 'mdl en hie morn* ing WUFathar would srometimas go down %a the food atores fcm Mothex adgive her orderl 618$ it would be delivered irr a wagon behiad a horeta, B-t Vas iB au~tomwyto tip the delivery bofl 1 xm lato that custon in New Yoxk -8 1 was surprieed, Olney r Oh, no I've neves heard of that-. One little chore I use4 to dot whe# lather needed ooffee I would be sen% Co Mr. f3hiri;rrdlelli1s store. Be ha8 ahoooLate &Leo, bu-b we didn't drink a greaQdeal of that, I would go to Mr. GMrardelZifo wd on one of &he eouratefs would stmd an iron coffee gr3.ndex, 1 suppose tlnres or Sour feet %all, wifh a pot in the ~eatexlof iL a8 a large wheel on one @%Be, f would tell Mr. Ohiraxdelli how muoh oaffee my mo-bher
wanted, and he would take OU% the of fee bems 1- he ha& differen4 kinds of ~oS%e@iIliCothe~a3way~bad, noaha arrd java mixed, whitrh wats eonsidesec? a nioe &rQtk -- shake them &lo 'bho %tftap of Che grinder. By hand he WOUL~turn *ha wheel and it would grin&the beme, . . @boys and %hagrovnd. Wffee would drop down 2n40 a reoeplaelo at the bot'f;omr When all the czoffee wara ground he am14
ge%imzLmlymath &0 hold @offe.t.e,and. I: would .ow
ha-the~;tohore of mine I dietfit%enjoy ao we11 i- t' t' be seat t.~the fish market to buy live crabs, There.
were grea* big eraba, which Elre so rare now, We paid ten cents apiece for %hem, and Mother always had two. The fieh-nan wouM wrap them together, two live craba, and put a Loap oa the string that; it was tied with for me to omry it, Often before I got home one of +hose crabs would bred the paper and wave his claw in %he air as I went daq, 1 dfdnlt en joy that very muah. And I grieve to say that when the orabpr weFe talcen into %he Ldtoben they were dropped into a very large srautdwn of boiling wa8er, dive, 'Phera had -1;o be a oover gut
on the cauldron, held down by a flatiron, $0 keep the ereaturs~lfxom breaking out, I Bent% haw how %kgme MlleB nowadays,
Batjzmt 1 "&hi& they do it Bhe ame way. You see them down at Pishematl'~Whmf. Bat I grnsss you don't buy them dive
MOW. OUeyt Oh, no, $u%BIEoIt;her warm%&& .t*h.au freak, Baumat Did yua ccet a lot st fish in Four fa~lly?
I;$ was suppaeredl to baa very BlgeaBiblsi We usrtzalLly
OUF Sunday meals were a Uttle differen* froom the rest of the week. ly Fa-bher wo.11I.d lawe hia break- fast early and go for a walk, and thea go to his study and finish polishing up hies somoa, lather and 1: would have our breakfaet a little late^, armti %hen a* eleven ofalock lother and E would go over to the prinaipal church service. Oftea after the service was over visitors would eome and speak La my father, in%xoduc~g themselves, or aometSmee old frPende f~oa*he Z&eP were out here, or somo%imea $here were relatdves of people in the East whoa Father had known, or d~~itiagmS#iatex@ from other efates. lo tzsutilly on flmcPa$ we had ~orrtpany
to ltttz~h. We had &inner in the mjddle of the day on Sundaysl. Ehough was always prepared for o few mafore- men gueets, md ~rabaoup was one of the favoriBe
disheaj Bevllsd orab W~Bano+he;~. 2ather would have a very simple suppep about five or eix oVeloak arrd go aver to %he efudy to get ready for the evening service, $amo I'm mioue about ahem ysu bough* youzt food. What was the mesat mewrkeO Z%k& Obey: Wellt the meat market looked ex-bre~ordbmilylike %be meat; markets of up to a.icisw yearn ago,, Bay, Fhe am$ was hung in,greaDslabs; a whole raide of beef, for instmae, whole lmbe up and dowzl %he length of the s-bore, and when you waLetd a gieoe of meat the butcher would take one of them big gfeoas down and chop it to yam order. 0% oourse now evesythinggs paohged, so thatgsdifferen*, bmo Vere mea% md vegetables md fruit;@ and the dry gro- aerier3 all in the sane stora? Olneyz no, usually %hey were a11 sapmate, in %bee differeat stores. Yhe groceries were strictly groce~ies,mad the produoe was displayed the way It is now, in boxes, oae kind of fruit by itself, just the way it is today. Bamnt Was -tihere a variety of fruits and vegetables avdlable~ Ol.ney: Yes. bother source of vege-bable foad was %he 'Ivage- table Ohinm~an,~who was eetablished ihatih"bioa. That neat that one individual Chinaam vould decide that he would sell vegetables a4he would go to $he wholesala marke.t;s and buy fruit and vet.getablesp ad on b2ne-p &td.ajr~he muldby fish aad erabe also. 9h5e col- leet5.0anaa 'pu%in CRO Large basksf s, perhapa Chree feet deep an61 abov% fbes %a& aoxoae, Zhey had ino3Edst them one or .&wo $rays h~whioh Oh$ Piah would be @egxega$etd from the' ~egetableta,azad %ha eer%t;aia epectia2 kinds of frulDe tha* smsh saaify ware in tihe tap tray, ?Ehw %hem baskets wsre hung at etther end of a long flexible pole, -4 the CMnaan pat tMs pole! acroas his shouXder with one basket &eaB of Urn and the other behind, and he would jogerof through the stpeets, just the way they do iri Qhina. Phis %PO* gave a little spring.t.othe weight of tho baskets and made them easter %o cwy, The men would trot t;omig andl oome Lo your back door always and give the most peculiar QP~in Chinese, and yon wouLd go and see what the boy had and pay him on the spot, PhaC was etiquette; rou paid spot cash, %hosevegetable Ghiamert wepe quite institu.t;ion. Some of them were rather Jolly, but mo~tof them were dead serious. They %ex@earning theer B&ly bread, I30 nonsmsse, lSanxmt Would you axsudly bug yaw vegetables froat tlaZe~vsge- *able Qhfnmmor would you go to *he $Bore?
to haw ctompn.y ehe av~uld.mad more thm he aould .@myand she'd gb down t.o $he.pro8uae @tore, 1 was wanclerlng, were the OUnsw vegetable men well %reateb by theix sus9omers? Oh, yes, 1 don1% think they had asy trouble, They werent%to~mentsdby small boys or .,,P Oh, no, that sort 09 thing ova& sternly repree~oedby pments. !They got along all right, You mentioned paying the vegetable ahinaman on the spot -- did you usnally charge youx groce~leeother- ~fise? Yes, Mo-bher did. Fhis was in the meat and dry goods and produce -- Yes, The coffee we dways paid for, eand the Chinaman, and srome%imeswe had people who 19ve.d In the country who would bring ia fresh eggs whom Mother would patron-
ize. 'Ethey would come in once a week, $0 %he door, and of courge they arere alw8y~paia in cash. But Mother hr;td aharge aeooun%~in a11 the ~to~s$. Would you buy olothwg and fhings Ifke that in h,kIand, or would you go fe Szm Fhasieao? @&tiryt Well, in Bhe very etwy dayer we wen%Do [email protected], &rtd 6bO ma m, Wq heLdl C@ w&k &+QIB OIW h0~18)Q~P %!hlr6ee~%h Btrset &awn %o besrenllrh Ifread, where the
$he mea who wen% over to 40 b~einerssin Stan HtTanoSscso ueed to $ake those trains am3 they ran dmt~ wha* was odled the Mole, buil* ouQ into the Bay, adthere %heychanged tea the ferry b~a~t;, That waa alwaye ifiteresling, the trip aaxoss the Bay, and a lot of us just Che other day were talking about how we missed %hetrips oa the fez?$ boat. They were so pleasant. There'd bet a new foreign shin coming in or sorrrrething else wouLd be interestSsFg in the Bay, and on uns of %he ferxies there was a deligh%fulaandy man. He had only one leg and walked
with a peg leg and a @me, and aroma his neck he had
slung a t~ay filled witb ~andy, Yhe~erimer W~Bin alS ths world molasses amdy as good as Ms. It was sonsidered healthful, Qoo, so whenever Fa%hersap Hothex and I wecn.1: fo Sari Prranoieao we alwayes oame hame wi9h some melaaees easldy. We looked forward %d that, Bm: Xfve sea pioturee of the a14 farm buhl&Lng in Bmo Pre~leisao. Olneyt Ye@, %heFerny IMltlLIng wars bui1B sf woad mil waer a long, l@w buih&ing tiha%ran Bone &fa*ranoa aerseai %he food @f Mmke$ S$reet4 8aa;Lng the lay lay the doaks siae by side: wkexe a15 %he ferr$@@sonvarge4 from A.l.ameda, Oakland, lausalito, eto, Ehe P~ET~Bu3.98- ing h61a a low, ~sundtower whioh had a clock on eaah of the four ~ides. It was not diet5ngui~hedas a gieae of arohitecture by any means, btt"ct was useful,
The wafking FOO~Bwere ju8-t Large ad apsm, with wooden benches built in; people fratreling, families, would often have brought their lunabe~with then and would sit on those beashes an8 eat their lunches and throw the refuse underneath. 1 eme ember one evening about the time I was in the University, some friends ai owe were to be married in 8an Franeisc~, It was quite a b~autim
weddirq -- he who wgt8 80 be my husband es$ortsd hi@ s%s.t;orand myself aver to the eveYtfrzg wedding. @sing
home after $ha webdbg we had 410 waf % qtui%ea while for the next ferryboat so we went illto the big wdtkng room and sat an the wootien bsashes, ad aaxose t2.m roan from us were %he remains af aomebodyte 1meh md there ~Uertwem ~($:ve~etllarge ra%emjaying iQ Pwy, vew slwsr-hl We ma% %berg [email protected] 'kktosrre ra%n and heptad Bht tihers wars enough f~o490 keep Dbm busy vmti3. om fem~tb~aliaams dn,
$0 1 wgs ra9hex gla aha *he a38 ferry
burllding WBEI tor& dawn and new one ereteted, Bamr Were Che &%s~esbetter 5.n Ban k.zmofeoo than in Oakle~aB1 OLneyr Oh, fw better. Fhey hEtd some very bem"cfu1 bhihga
in 8~~2FP~CISCO.There was 8 large Prenah colorxy over there almost from the start and mnay of $hose French people ... IYel.1, the White Eou~lse~the Bify of Pmis, %he Zaos House -- no, 0'OQMQF and loffat were
Irish. That WRS ~bara,~terf~*ieof 8agl P~~Q~sGo;the Irish and the hrsnah alwaye gost; alaag very well together, ad.tihe Irferh ~eemedto have eome of the na~uuralaxtistfo endowment of *he $Te~lclZ, YOU don't think of that as a rule, but there were several exaellen* dry goods stores tha%were owneb a318 rw by Irish people, as well ae by the %renchr 3a.rzraq 8'0~28~rowbuy bobrf @a or ~~otaldyou buy ready-made clothing? 62nay~ Wall, l%otheswasnt%nruoh of a sewer, ad althoagh we did
have ssmstresees who QElme to %he house to make some a grea%deal of laakLag over in %ha% day), illo$her had o.t;her things to &a La the ohmob work m& i~he
waaf.tr muol;r of' a ~merangpqayl 80 ahe txraually had
t12e house, 2hetre were lots adlotr~l 02 dxe8ermakera. You bought yo= maCerf al. arzd trimmifig and a33 the afindingaN at the dry goads storee, ad there was very little that ww ready-made, There ware ehil- drenla elokhes %hatwere, but hardly angr womesrz's
clothes. An4 the areme way with hats, %ere were
They had some hat^ ready-made but not a great many. You choere your &ape and your trimtng and deaibe8 how it ~honLd,be put on. Bawnt Were %here pae-bsrer available to make dresses? Oheryr Oh, yest, Platmr As part of your hou~~eholdequipment , you mantione& that you h&dl an urnlike fil-bsx far the w~t;er.
OZszey: Yea, The supply 0% wa-tex fox a good par% ~f O&lmzd erne Pron Sake Ckabolt, whieh is etbll h Stm Tremaro)
EUIB f% waa just arr open reservoir with not much of a, nneyr @la*Pe say hare been a natzarPr3. lake Qs bagin wf%hc Z: baaq%how, me3 roadrer wals ownuddg, aegeaidLLy
in the wbber, aw8, %here was no fine filtex 8% fhs re~emolr,eo mat houoe~ pox9able filtera, whlah were b&g, %all tsma@a%Betvafirhssl, redly -- sont&nerta: -- tmd inside %he Zil%er watf bl ~~~toe Far veq fine gravel to be pactked, You poured Lhe mfiltered water iri-bo the eecnfar of the %op of this oon%a&nerand it trk~kledBorn drop by drop %haugh the gravel, leaving the mu4 end other impurilies behinti add~~ltpping in%o a 8esae3. at %he bo%%om, PhaB was %he w&er we drat&. We wed urmfilte~edwater fox ba%hAngand far ow clothes, and it used to try ow EngLiah maid's eon1 to Weto do her washing in the muddy water besause it ofDen stained the sl~I&es. %'heyBS&n't gome out nice white. BuC i2i was un8ar~toodif
Everybody's was the same, Baumo WaU, how you waoh %he elothee?
(3rhega We laad two big wooden tuba, stationary, and mere WIW a boiler irs the kf.fiohan $hat held water haatred by %he kitchen s-bove, so thera was always some exbra Sire wmhed i3a thts 'wooden tubsi.WUC~had fauce.f;#, "hot" an8 uoold,M which came from the boile~and from the regulm water pipe srysten that rau through the house, Wg ha& a bathroom up@*a*sr Baumt Was the hot; water piped to the upstairef OUeyr Yes, I% wa~piped a11 through the 'hotaaee Bamt Did you have bleaehea to uae on fhe olothes? Olneyt I Bon9t remember, I Wow they had bluing in those
days, because 1 used to go andl play with a little girl who lived in one of the rioher homes in the richer part of Qakland. would go spend the dar w6th hex, and we ueea to gat in%othe launary and steal little rouna balls of bluing, which aame %n small boxes, and we would t&e them ou%doorsaa8 draw hopscotoh lines with %be bluing on their wooden airefiewalk, Baumt So it same in a solid form? Olneyo Yes. 1% wae bportecl from France* You can hagissa how mad %he lam8ress used 'to be when she found her @ueyt b3ufag wasl gone beoatme the @hSL.ckerghadl wad it up tom, hopsso+eh, E8 wae olse of 6ur! Fwvsrite g~~~ere. f~mt Row were yetit punished when you wwe ar, bad girl? Olaeyt X was spmkt~d,at5 T: waet deprived sf aerta3-a thfws, axid Z wa8 reprimimdedb(, hmc Was this Lef* for 307.~2father lib do when he came home? Olneyt No, Bother did moaf af it. %y father spanked me once, beoause I did not do eomething f waas supposed t~ do,
dom $0 breakfasf the visikor said, k@sodmoxnfng, Xary,* but T didn't reply, and my raolhes said, nBay, 'Good morning,' Mary." If@ reply. Little by little the bottle was on, and T wsuld no8 say good naming. BBy father frlzally took me snC into %he parlor arid talk& &o me and said %ha% it was only pollOe .&o say
good, morning $0 a $ueat, melt he took me baok bu$ 1 wt>ulbalt eay good moxning. Well, finally he peed me, And I went back and said, It@os&morning, * He never had to tell me Lwias, as long as he lived, arb% to do a2 what not %o do, His word was law, an8 always sheerfully obeyed, That one uonQei~tehowedl wha wtm brssrs $a;cxmt' Were you that quick 8e obey yow? mo.bhez, o'lp wasr that
8Weyr f: .Bt%Bn"b care BO mhfor Mo$hsxrrj. ~pamkra or ~epri- mlsi 8he had a Bard;er tine dth me, letmat You said yom no-bhep did a ofl visriblpyrg,. wsalling,* f believe %her$cballal it, Qaa ~rouCell. me more about the fomndities. of edlixg? OLnsyt %sy the iastitutiqw of making aalL8 is worth speaking
of, because it ha8 mles of its own thaQwere soman, BBy mother, fox instarme, made a great may odls on the pmiss~ners-- not only the sisk, but newaomers an8 people w2ao had entertaiheti her md my fat he^ a% dinner or at some sooial oscasion -- and a call waar the way of aoJmow1edging the invits;t;ion, she used to "hire a haekw -- put that in quotatiolz marks, be- sauare %hatwas the phase. There were several larrge ltvery stiablea fa Oakland where horaela aadt various kinds of vehioles were kept for hire, a8d Mother aL- ways used to engage a eeup6. The drlver eat outside
lrzi fzont and tihers was one seat in %he ene1Qisedem- riage. It wm really a developme&-bof the sedw ahair. Nother w~ta3.d often take me 6dling wit& her, S'd stay out in %he:@j.aup&and play on the sridewalk, or if wd1.bake ras along when she mad6 eral18,band hez vitsrigu 2ng aards had between every %wo agl;r&er a 1102;l.e she&
%ha,% sheet of %issue paper csha would writs my nme and 5% would be handedi in as my am&, Bawr Xtve red that sometimes when you went sallfag you 8idnS$see tihe person buf just left yam card. Q-eyt That was ia more formal comnraitfes. 1% waenft done to any extent in OWarrd, or out here in Berkeley. If you made a eall, you went; in yeurself, It wasn't like Washing-bon where most of the visiting was done
by OW~, Baame If your mother went in to make a call, haw long was it prepcar to sew? Olneryt Oh, half an hour. Hot more, be~auereHother would nake many- calla. 1 well remember thaB when I: was first nmberl I reseive8 hoote of ca3.18, and I had
a day tat hems as mmy l&die~did, They would ~~OQ@G ene day in the week am4 on the am&sdown in $he leQ%ha$eoraar weuld be the day -- Friday or 'fus~day Olneyo ox wha.f;evarday they chase -- when the$ were supposed to afay at home in the afternoon ao when their friead~ oamet Lo see them they would find them in. I remember wMn I wa8 returning my oalle after my wedding that one afternoon I made nineteen, aalla, I had to hire a hack too that day, and some of the people were not at home and I made rather brief calla.
I had many calls on my day at home, and f: served tea and eometimes there would be quite a roomful of people, Baumr Was it customary to serve refreshment3 when a anller
Olney: Nothing but tea, I remember when Bhe insti-bufion of afternoon teas, as they are practiced even now, appeared in Oak- land. Some friends had been in the East visiLing and they had oome across these elaborate afternoon teas, so when they oame baok to Oakland they had some after- noon teas. The hostess usually wore a special Hnd sf dress on those oocasions which waar ualled a "tea gown," usually a corcpromise between a robe am3 -- not an even- ing dress but a nice dress, usually made of silk, long and rather loosely draped, It was nat a street dreea i.n any sense of fke word* Bmmt Pow d3.4 ybw mothe2 gedi %he haformation to %heLivery egDable when $he wan%sd Pa Wea hatrk?' OJneyr Ostudly Pa-ther would walk dom 80 tihe4 e$&bl&ad tell
I !f!hfnger were wi%hiaeaBg maak and people avwe socuar- I lamed to wal.Une;, and Patther always took a. walk raoma- time dztrfng the day, preferably in the rnsrnilkg, just for Urs healthc On %ha% walk he would oftien do errmcls for lother, Of course as soon as telephones were put I in, around 1900 or a Litele before, the stablea 1 had telephones. I Barn: Was there my sor%of meesenger service-before the f elephone~? Olney: Well, there were telegrams, Bamr I wasr thinhing ~f momd %be uity. Olneyt go, You went. We had stree'ijctars,: you bow, md %hey were interesting too, The little ewe wexs &ramby one ox two horses, aooording 4x1 tihe Lerzgfh af the lua and accmrding ts mhet;hor there were any hills to be gone over, They Xookea very wucb like a bu~, The sea-be ran parallel aLaw the sides -- just one laxag took yeur rx%a%eL,wU~bwas always %he 9m?ei, mdt 4ropgae8 it in a gl~taa;rbox hung on %he gar%i%ianbe- %ween %he dr2ver anef -tihe gaasengepe, ad the driver could see and hew when your niakel fell into the
box, If you had $0 haye change you rappea an the glase ~9thyour quarter ox tt~lf&olla-and he would reach in through a little window and give you aharzge, Barn: So he was enoased away. Olneyo He was outside, on sort of a front plat3om, Baumt bYas it eocially aeoegtable to ride on the streetcam? Olaey: Oh, absolutely. All through my college life we wead to 8moes more on %he streetcar than m& did in hired ct=riages ox in eazziages proveded by the parsn%sof eomebody who was going to the pmtyr When it rained Oakland w8a a pretty nu&dy plaoe, Poxtwia-fiely i%'s partly built on sad, with adobe and. other Mnds of mud* On the floc~ai the ~Lrsetasm would be spread a bed of straw about afoot thick, so $hat when you came in vith mu& all over your fee'&
you aauld rub i'k izff orm the straw ad sot get it t;l over you skirts* X reffielliber the SW Pablo Avenue @ms
pwtioulasly. They ran, way aut of Cow a long Bti~Cmae, miadls of %he street on 9%~tracks, Bamt 1% murs-b have bean terrkh2.e oa your &hoes. OLney: Well, uve wore rubbers, of ecmme. Some ohildsen had rubber boo%s just as %hey do toclay, Ba:2amr You've tola about the eustom of calling, Were %here any other cusBorns that vrepe somewhat different from what we do today? OLrreyt Yes, I think 8he auetoma 09 weadinge might be inter- esting. In some respectto they differed Prom present- dey euafoms. It aepended on the finanefal standing of tlze family how elaborah a weading might be, but %he n~iaestoaoe were always in the evening. They might be in the home, whieh would be vepy elaborately decorated with flowers, or they might be in *he ahmoh that the
fmily attended; md i~cl%ha+ case %he ~rhurchwas dacora%edmost elaborately, &most like Easter Sunday, with so ~raanyflowers md so mah beeoration, 'The bridal prooe~slionmarcltn~din to the playing of the organ and after the ceremony all would adjourn to the briBeya hone ZOP refxe~kaJjla~?%@-- more or 1618s elaborate gmsyr moording to %her soaiety aliandiag of %he fmilg, .b the paator's lit%legirl. f use& to be iabludetd in %he invbla%iona I always ha8 a "beet dresse %hat1 wore to suoh oocasforsa, I always had a very good timeo
Sometimes f didn't how my aMldren there ** Boned tfmea, in fa&, 1 was the only ohild grcaeat a.nd I woul& get a seat fa tho our.er somewh.sre and wahh the -eats oongra.tru1sting %he bride am%$rsorn, ju~t aa Phey do noaradays, I wae inlsrested in Dho dareseas that the ladies wore and I had my favorikes in @Loth@s. Solne 1 I.iked some Z didn'tc One ourioua ouotom was cemectad with *ha wedding presents, As even to&ay, th.ere ww a room set npmt as a rule, where the preaenta were displaysd, ht nof ohly were the giftril ii5splnye8., but; %he c%t~,dsof the givers
were dieplayed, attaahed ti0 %he gifts, k54 there vae a good deal of comgaring be-been ahat the Jonesea had given md vha.%the Smiths Sad ¥, arid *Nagbe the B~owriwmight have given a little mom if they'd tried,w I've aI.way~5%hou&t tha.%was the queerest, moat OUL- lmdish @or% of thing to Bo. Bamt It lad to a conipe%itisa, Obey: It rdight, yss. Baumt !i!h@a1 Buppsee %heyourig 00upjce went; m89 on a hcmey-
meon c Olneyt Yes, ma rice waa tlmcbw~&te~%he1 Jw$ as f%la ~owaday~, !there was always ares+ iateretrt in %Be brP&ets gefng-away @oaC;wrre aefher 14 was as@ and whe*hex
%hey W~E@g~bga Baumt DZB people ever hire a hall for ~eoeplionrs,or was it dway~in their heme? Olney: As far as I was oaaoerned it was aZweby61 in the home. Of course ooarpazatkvel$ few psapLe had camiages of their own and so the livery stables ware very busy on the evenings of a big wetiding, &d it wm %he, oustom fax the briaets father -- OF i% migM have been the bridegroom's father, but at my ~ats,one of %hem -- to hire a haek ma 0eawd it to take my father fo the weddbg, avld Mother and I, of oouree, wouZ4 go dong wjtk him. Bamr ThLa ww whem your fa%hexsPfiaS&bed, Olneyt Pee, So %hatadded Bo %he event -- fba exeiOemefil of riding 5.n the haak. . fBpktlnt Die61 ;tioa have many weddings %ELyour ahmala?
Obey1 Yeac %beewere 8 good may. Oh, reg, a& then tmotkae~?kind ef weidding, wMah w&% very difJe~ent,was baaed on %her fa@%9haB
in Ohoae day0 5% waa no* nesetla~~to ge% d;t liaeners three days ahead of time, and oa#pl@@who had no
&owxi to fhe oou~thouseon lower Bxea&way awr& get a [email protected]~temd then @om@ to any mini~ter.at hi& home and ask 80 be narrted. As long as %hey had the proper Iioenss it was pesfeetly proper Do mamy %hem, Uao oauples would come over from San Franci~aoto O&land to be marrie8, X sappoge it made sort; of a wedding
tsipt $0 come and go, !&e livery &able haek~WOUXB sfmd momd a pZaoe ldhe the oour$house waiting Eo be hire&, as %hay s%ood around the Zwal train-stations and placea lLke %ha%. Che aouple would go to one of %hes hack (%rftrer#arnd ask lab if he lnzeos of a rnSa&st;e~~Xy faBhsr had been in QaUaLnB @o ~QB$an& was eo well &owa $ha% the hetok &river@w~uldo%%enBz%ng%hem
tO h~a@r The law required fhf %hare be %a witnesses Lo QUreya %hemrziagee, lee my rna.Q.her&1?14 1 wou.Xd offiof aDs as witaessrers to %hemw@&didgrar, EZome of %haaauplee
were qnf 8e appealing y6U f a18 tha* %herewar a
gdtl~ul,mafisaetisn which ma likdy %Q laat, and id
wasr et pleareare Oo bve them in the houaes m~cleeactrt .t;hsa on thefr way. Sfow aud then $here wass a couple
%ha$ wet8 #oak roo prorni~hgr Ornee in a while the
groan would haw% ha& %acl many Urtnks a~rdnr fathee wouldl refuse to mamy then beaawe he felt %hatthe man might not reaizte 3us-b what he was doing and might have be- hooked into %h@ marriage, md it wouldn't be rsuitable for him to perfom the oersmony. When the OePemQny was finished md they were ready Po say g~odbye,the groom muLB ~f%ensay to my $@,%her,
*How muah is itYu blad. pather wouLd say* "'llhese its !LO set feeen Then they would diseI.de how much %hey would give; aaywharo 9x~m$2 up to $10 waa the u~ue~lfee. On~erhi a while, T; ranember, the groom woruld say, "Oh, isn't fihere"rel1, thank ym, goodbyel" && off
theyf&$0.
Folther UB@& to givb fhe fasts@ 80 loOher fax aEway# went b%s Bhe setv9q~bank. l%~l;btm&Iweiys kepf hers d~ra f3md fpoa whfieh arhe bough9 t;~s%h@z'a dWSa+mas andl bfstMay prrecseatrs. %he fe56 9% watsntt taking h2s money %a 'buy hfm a pretsrant but7 that; %he money sort of came fron %he akie8, you see, and bslolzged to her. Was %here ever any px~bL~mof min%a%sxs who wan%ed %he bua2uless pay-ing %he haok drive~eCo rseomend Lhem? Oh, no, Never any oonpe%ition? 30, oms waa a simple comt;y. There waanl% much crime and people lioed kaw*ab%ding live^ mostly, and were deeent. Did your ia%hesr,feel %% waa Ma respon@itk39Pftyto ia'sea+Pga%era ooupler before head mwxy them?' Ple w@uld ask qussOion@. S@me%%marstOhbag wem ra.fshe~eemahing. EQ wantex3 CQ know if et%herB$
%kernhadl been married before a- %ha% bidnft make mu&h differens@but he wan$@& to be as awe ti%@ Be asuld Bamr Z would like $0 lmow abcrtz-t the soh001 sgefsm in OtiQdLt~~d the sch001~1you abt@~ded*Didl YOU go 80 k2ndergtwten? Obey: Yes, %he kindergar%an f wen%to was one: 09 %he very firs* in this part of the sountry, It was e~tablished by a Bemm woman, a Iisa Na~rwsBsl, who had bmm trained in @emmyby the man who i.nve~ltt&kIChder- gmDens [BrieBri@hPxoebel]. Borne way or &her she made her way ts OakLand md opened a pay kindergwben. Nay of my Ibfslong frienda wexe in that sabool. 4'11. $all y~u~ome%&ingamusing, 41% *he Dime $ha$ T went to Bhe khrmdezgmtat we wexe &illliving way down on %t~nl;hand Eashingfon, w.14 2Ehs oun of one of ow rnis~tonmieslto Japan wanted t@ go to the
Oakilarzd high ecnhsol amd $0 go East Ia%er fe oollegee, OL#ey r eo Father and Mother invited him to uome and live with us while he went to high school, In payment he was fa be the hudy boy mound the plaoe, I remember his sweeping the garden paths. Poor boy, one of his chorea was *to take me to kdndergartsn every morning! I would be taken earlyv before he had to tart for high sahool, and I was quite little and he had to hold me by the hand, How he must have hated dragging this young one to kindergarten wery morning6 Well, he did go East to oollege and graduated and became a miasionary to Japau, arid he was one of -the very famous Guliok family who were so prominent in missionary life in Japan for yeare and years, for two or three generations, His name was Sidney Gulf ck. He has lots of .descendants mattered around; some of them live right here in Berkeley, Baum: Was that the thing; to do, to send your child to kindergarten? Olney: Yes, A great many people were very glad of the school, We learned to do all sorts of things with our fingers, the way llttle children do in aohool now, and we drew 8'2aeyo pfrlnzree at14 we. lemne&aengta and we, Bad lft$ler dmbrw.,
aa4 Chm once a Few dn %he 1~ringtIsl.ewe had -+L
I &on'$ remembe~what they ~zLLl.64ii$* btPO iB WB~a%
the b10ae of ~a~ho028M wBJ3 a 'PPBZ.$ abple play, andl ax1 the pvpile WQWLZB. $&e par* i~ 8om~~apatiityor
ather and sfng kAn&wgli~~.t;ensrong8 and (510 It;het~liCtle
da065~01 Baumt How old were the children in %ha Lind~garGenS &Ueyo Well, $hey were about five yarns old, 1 ~heuldoar, about the agerj that Irfrnderga~lenchildren are? now, Bawno I read a'bsuC the Suaaay eahool at the Pirst Oongre- ga-tional Church flatmding a f~eekhdel?g&t?%en,-- %he Oakland Free UadexgrarTten Ro, 2, Do ~QUsernembex %hat? That was establisheb in 1889 by E)r. Icrbem and Nellie Bmnwd. I-ti wadown on 1)18wke%Street. Olney: Oh, yes, Ptd forgot8em d.1 &born%%ha-b, Well, kinder- gartens were o~mpajla%iveLynew3 they origina%sd5& Germany and Bhey gradually aps~att, 2he one I wen% to was no6 free, but Were were free onse two. 3 remaaber new that they Bid est&bl%&this f~eekfndsrgm8sn %a pxevenS *he litfla ~kdldrertget%ingb%omfaaB%ei, md also to tmoh %hem %hiraga,shLjlefly to do with their hmds, 03ne7~ 1% wm vwy I$W~SBBC$~S~UI.-- %Ma N$BB)Bw~&uc%who waa
md Phe Bllarke%Itree9 churoh was the hseeond Ocrrrgjlcega- bawas Arid %hie pew oul of ths k5ndexgm%exl? Olneyr 11 grew out of the Udergaten, The people found iQ
ra%h@rbar& to get far $0 Sunday e@hool and church; it; was a06 a wealthy neighborhood. lil~urnr 1 ga%hwedthis wag a chmitab2e faa"civtty of' the church,
OUeyr It waH to begin wit&, bu* af%exwmde%he new ahmob
- ~Coodon 9%~om fee*. Barn: Wao if metommy for ohuroheo to do %BaO I&L& OS work'?
Qlmeyr Well, it wets, dane B@H@w~~%.
B~twna f $MI& %he PxesbJr&.ezimahuroh al~orm a k5nder- gmten, Obey r I &omc%P~m@rnb@~abovf %ha%, hZi 1 remember %hissyoung
teacher and P ramember 'prjsitia3$ the U~t1ergmtbaa. There were vaxdoupl other k%adergw?%en@e~fablished
latex -a not s pap% of the BQ~OQ~sya'beeni a% dl. Bhers was one sfill fnrthar toward the Bay thm Mmke$ B%reet, . ~Uayc aa& *hat waer er&eablfshe&,by a Dmisrh laaft, &aura Q&ieB.e~rae&,,who arm@%a, B~flarniato b,e wfif;h, her brother rbo had migra%edhere. Fhr brother died no% lung &%er ahe ome but she d~oids6to ~tay. Bhs madle her living iw one way an8 mat her^ Bhe aaw the poverty arad maared-for quality bf that neighborhood md esta'bliahed a little kindergarten of her am.
Baun t For poor chil&enP OZneyr Yes, If *hey ha& ns money they di&n4t have, to bring
arty, but 99 they could afford ten cenbo 03: twenty- five sents, OP? anflhing By the mon%h, +hey woa1cI bring it. She had to be helps8 oo there was a bbmb OZ direators to raise f~sde. &ate2 iL was inoorpora4xx¶ bto the schocrl system when they began %o usare kinder- gwtens in the syeten. Phera were eeve~alhindergartene following the ea%ablfshnen-bof Xiss ChristezliaenCswhjteh Cook %he pattarn isom her, and bn clifferen-b parts of' Oakland *here weye %baaor four, We had an assooia%ionof ~nd@rge3;rCelas,andl we used to nee% togeDhs~ad -talk tabo~tour ~omsapxablems a16 how to me& than, aad 0J;netgt eomethes wa gave ealt&~nmenB~all together awd Cha &viBed $he proeeeas,. Zt wae quite a. fa~o~fds
. . aha;Piliy in Oaklad in my emXy mesz+ied life,
Baumf . %ha4;'e2eraentary saalzool aid you go Co after kinder- gax%en7
Qlneyt I dihCtgo to sahool till I was eight, 1 wea-t; to Snell Besliamy* 1% was a very popular school at %ha6 time, Oakland was oalled "$he Athens of the Paaifisn 'beoause it had so many eohools, all, private
exoept the high school and the grade schools, which formed the school aystem, Them were many sohools, -a;ll ppatty good, and pupils aamg to them from all over California; %here wwe many boarding scthools beoauae ekildren did oome from other petrCs of Che diatia, Bmr Thfs Fs a% %he elemenlay aohoal level. Olneyt It went up $hrough the Ugh sohool, but it began wi%h Ohe primary grade, IoLhsr seemed Co think iD would be beLter for ms not ,go go lo ~choolmbil I was eZgh%, but ehe taught Be to read, Ve went Bhrough the first grade ~eader$ogeLher. Bemr Weye you a. siokly ebila? Oh, n@, ah@ ~o&BAiho'l~ghtdx;trtsa~?sr waer *era ew1p
asrid eh1.24ran ~&aalr 2% Wta~$%di a~ ides OP her emCthW~all,
I g&hm %haretamet4"4 my IQ~~~@QZP;P1~boo1Law%
6k.t; ma&@ go 8tk;aCc No, E @aughtmp eaoa enoughc X uead to be atpas at 8naEZ Seaainmy a gaoBt deal aaywet$ beeauass 1 knew dl %he artdl %ha p~incsfpaldidn*t Been Lo obgea8 OQ ay viaiCUg %hen. Sa 1 ueed ta p3.a.. ovar %here qurdte a goad dsd, 3heeis aw.hgrs woxb vaqr high, md %Be older girls learned to dta quit@ daa(ing th*nga an
Lhwe high S W ~ BSam@%imes~ we lit85e gSzttZs were bzsugh* %n$oiQ,wmstimaa a&, Bub, oh1 $hegt8 mhg cso tha* the rope8 wauld go oat t;mo~.b hbrfzauktal5y -- %erriff@, dl. %he gfxls E hew @1l.mbeB Fen@@~a21 tr~mand ran raw@. 1 oould bsatr dl %hagP~1smd faJl %ha b~yeexa@p% onat, he aftewtarb~grew Lo be
B$X fee% t;bee. Be bad long lag8 andl ,eool& always be&% me in a race, banti *he 04hara f crs~LLdiB~~atir
8neI.l IStzm9mary wsra run by *larees ~&rs~~x~and ttl bruther wh6 we^& &&era a4 hEed corm8 oul $a daliform9a 02neyt arobo%. Eash one had hie3 b~ he2 p& %Q pla$ iur mc n-g abet ~rahool,mQI, *ha .t;he~acweze otther %e~ib~herer mp3oy&, E mot arqy it wpaa a very god rs~laooS. X @Lared9n iD mBE1 the eeaoadl yesf! of Ugh eeh601, md
stma Z w~tt3%e&%s g~ to college Sathex felt I would gat be%%6xprepara%fonf@r college U %be public bA($h sohool, so I wan* %!a$he O&1a(11 high school fax $he 3aa% two yetsz;rsa. Then X wen* 4a %ha Univera~tiiy. Batma 2: read $ha% %he ~e&ts~a?;g was bfornsi%ly 8Xfilia%ed wIW fha H&FB% GO~Z$;~B~EC%~OP~~~,~wQPL~ Olneyt IT@% al tall, 1% was xdgEa-ti next; boo2 %a the ehuroh,
andl %he princtigaln brougBO Ithair bow?&ere$0 oar chu~ckr,
ehiafly beo8ue;e iD was 80 donverz%en%.Fhers wwe ather sahools &ha% did the ewe and %heya1 sak up In the gallesy in groups, Them was 6nsll Seminary an6 Mios Pitsl8'$ Seh~ol,wM@h@a@mothex goode ,sah001fox ~IFZB, a&there were $he Eopk~sBealemy bays ad %he MSlL-bwy A~aBmyboy@mc! %he Sasketd Sohoe1 fop boy^, They
came ia group$ out fsoi;, anti srone, of them w~kerda good
dZer BbEP001~d Were BB faQU% fS !P~@'2l%~&$ll%kG'kjeg$f, ELM%hayvo~tz g~~tsr&~$&~ar Bawt Wa@ .I;h~rea Quaker ohwah im, *he town? Olneyr f donf* bow. Batlmc 80 !&ell 8an1b@3? didn't D'eeolr any at' &utstksz -- OUtsyr. ~IS,, nor Fhsy offerre&%heoou;clse mat all otb~
p~ematSO~QQLEI Q~IWO~~, Banal E BeXieveb %ha% 1% was a IirIgGhemeg who wm ppdas%p&, ~f %he &d&m& s@h@C%%? ~lnctyt Ye#, . Re wm one ef Fa%heA~ahern~%eeat Union QoZZ@et., and he war aur ef3~@elSendgriaefpalc Xa was %here%ox yemrer ad year&, Zallitmo 6oaIdt you Oel2 a 1ZftBle big about %he high erehsol? Olneyt Well, Qhe 8a3tlatld htgh ec~haolboama, alsng in $he erfgh-bfes, pra'bably %he beat Ugh, arethosl in %he ata%e, an4 pupbla csme %hemfroa Sjrszatkeirn Qaliforwia, gmtieularly beoatzse SoxtPhern ~ ~ d was~ ee%fle&f 6 ~ ~ ~ Zstrea than Narbhem 0dSf~~nPaad %heir ~4~ho0layB- tern wasn 'ti eats bar ~IevelspsQ, 30, rtt~cl~pof our h%gh echo01 pupils in ~aldLmdhatdl home in Bou&hsmGal%- fomfta btn* ~am.ehers to sd~ooJ,adbomded here mdl *her@while they weape gePng tbou& high ashooL
I BUeyt Yei w 1% was str~, ezsell&~%rsahgol, Then 9% gel Qlney'l @o bfg Ghat iS ww dsdded *he Baehniaal Is%&
a&oa9 wee eer%&bIishedsta4 there were dii$fe~wB~WQB s@h~slarUi differan%pwt;a of OaklmQ1a@the gopU.&Ib%onirleres$s& bamr fn the Ugh sahoo3 8%d you have 8b stme ay@+tpm Bh't they have now of g~bgfram olasirrmom to ela~rs-
~9)or19ad B&bq m&ybs foua ar f9.tra ~Paesare@&ahday'?
Obey t RQ. The tee~oharasame %o un * @ehtul a room, ea0k
aJaas ha8 81 room1 mdl +~IBma%henmtA@pj~ teaahr wcptald
aoms and give ua OW feflaw~, fhg &$tin %aaehglix
would @cane in, an8 Lhe hie'kory teaehesz. We had $0 ga Co %he aheWstry ma4 ghysfd~Csaaheer bsaause Be had fa ham Ma 1abaraDarieo for sxpsrhe~ti~to &ow
%a %he elass, go he ha& his own oorner sf Lhe bull&fng
t&I Wts W@U~I~Qhim, Ee had et BIIOP~II~floor PVgth (ale* va-t;eB chairs so that we ~oaldsee the axperimen%aon the oo~#'beri Baurns ?ha% mew$ all the studentnsl hEGd $13 Lake gre.Ety lnruoh tha sme clas~es, Olnoy, Well, thffzs wre fhsea aousaast Ifterazy, sai%n3iflo,
an& 1 gueaB alaejrsicetl. wasl tihe other on@. The alawi- cal oouree hecat &%tin and Greek, %he ItLerwy ha4 1Prmeh am3 Oexmm, and 1 think both e~wrneahad tihe @mehjirsterry. Perhaps %he ctlaseiedl. had nore Greek an& Roman M~tary-- GreekJ:ad Z gradua%ead fro^ Bhe l%t@rmye~~hoal~ Did B~F, l~Che@lri@ytewB eny of the eomese'?
No; he W~ZB6be abnrlaioB2a%orr FB$aQ aid boy8 adgfrb do fax fun fn high arehoolt
Dkd they have parctim &IS %hayBo now? Yes, we had lots of aehaol dmaes andl different elasoehf used to go on pianicrw. Then we went Lo saoh
othex's houses, We ha4 pmfien at our e,wh houaeo.
We'd play gmew, If the house waw large @noughwe'll dmcse. Did boys a18 ~ST~Imix mush? Oh, yes, ghe high eshoal had a temia oawt mB they
uarsd $0 play tennis ko&e.t;her, Oh, ,ye@, they were very Sxisndly. Once a. year %her@'&be a big senior dame and %ha$ was in a public3 hall. down8own whioh %hey sented Zo vaictue organizw,Qbonsa, s%n8 wa uared to have ouz big dan~down thgeze,
Bawt Kaw did the shdien$ff lewxt .bo Bm@tb? .Olzreyr Ab~r~ta21 0% the= had been Ca desncrlsg orcshaol* and
lentnmr Was id custornmy for %he cshildren %a go %o dmafng srolzo+If OBeya Yea, There wene dmeing esahaols -- of @oarsas9hs boy& h(818ad $0 go, bw.% they matst h&vegone beroaus@ all the bey8 sreemes8 t@ haw Bow to dmoe. f rm~mbar teaoUng one or %wa bays a@r%a%nsfepe, We tangh% each ather, BBUZ What df4 you ds for rrrus%a?
0bey~ Oh3 ve hait a pimo fop %he small danaes. They had a piano a% Che dancing sshaols, I @usas we ju~thad pf Baumt L don't remember when dc%rolaecams inti8 use, Olneyr Phat was long after my day, When Bed X see my firsf victrola? f don't know, TQ ga bmk to Sne3.1 8aminary, %haSnelL ~ohooL cornencement wae always hex& in ovs oXlvarch ~uditorium beaause the sshaol waa ao Large txt~dp0gtIla~th1.t; peeple uoed to go -to Lhat aomen@@~~n~ja~tfar the pleasme of 1%. The girls were alway~8reese8 %o kill, o$ QourBe, an& ha4 %hads f$rs$ ~@&lgramup everr3.w dretaaea on, wt%hlong glove$. OZZqV TO wad the aursBoat for esah gfitl who wa~
~~ueDing$0 read 6uz asreay thB ehe hstB wr%.O.be# herself, nigh%h%a It*erary e~~b$@@%~u@ualAy ox ~~ome9kt.iageha had l@ami@dfn sr%&oelam3 had
%urae4 inOo EL^ ehassy. They warre shsr% tmd never more
that3 %A&$ or t@& girl$ gx&uare.fsed a% 8 %%me, ao that fB warnt%$as bar&, A$ %be end of each eeaay %he uehere would Gome stmmdng clown Ohe aisles atimryirg flewere fox %he girl, ad they w~uldofBen be "semi;
pie~ear,~I remember a. butterfly w611 %he very favor- ite piece, and tihe wing^ were alb se$ ou% in differ- en% kinds sf flowers, Then there were large sprsyB,
and all sort;^^ of sef; pieeeril 0- wire l~amear,yau me, They were eef dom ia front of them1 who had just read her piece md %he girls aL3, aa% in, w, row up on $he pulpit, %en when $he next oMe had retad her
eosag ahaid bye! her iLowers put; in frond O$ her, I It; was a pea* soaaar%sn.
Baum~ Did Dh@ fa~1Li.faa pro~PBe3 flowwe? Qhsyt PamPlSlera md f~iad~a,yesre Qhe high soh~olhad i$s eomes3l@@mswfin our ahuroh, Ooo, 1% was $he largast aud5%oriwin Q&hd Olneyr a% the th~e. 3hey did no* have flower^, B~~~ally
sac gfit.1 aM one bay wotklta rebad eeeayB, I water @harm$a aed era army -- %here wergh Lwa of uurar %WQ beg"@Oha* night, Itv@%~28WbQ@llwhat Ghe s.bher $UJ.wro.tre, &bou.tt M-b Z% wsa rsome.2ib.i~~~ lh.t;resrazy, b~%%X Beek off: in% hagia,atSorm, Iy eseay was en%f%led "In %he Blue Distance, * a&1 e~'8Be11 pu wht f% wa@ &%out but it wa$ @anel
thing $ SnaagLned seeing6 X was zeedlfng our a~mancwentwith a alag@rna-beof mias long, long gears afDerwar@a and f was giggling Qver the title of my essay, an& Ohia man ~aZd,W819, rota nee&'$
bltxsh, baaauae n~r oz?a%Sonn-I the easays af Ghe boys were aallsd oratiaae aad were ndelfverednw%%hou%
being mad -- nwae salled '!he Najea'ky of 8flsnoe. 'H Ihe~we had musia, %herewere one ox two beaLantd gugble alrno~Seve~yclaw, We had a. girl i~ our lce2ass who bad a very letrely voSae
she smg a e~3-edu~Lngthe ex@xaioos, Qhe dstt of Pre~id8nQI%esftrrs;l, O3neyt 'Itels, an4 thexi there as% a raplie& sf flu Iffr~e~al pr@as&sion sf F~eafdata% @mf%eld And PresidenG GrmB p&$a a vietit ta Qekland and the scho~1ehil&en wepe pxs~en*in fill foros, X trh- Preaident Grant am@fixsCc dfdntt he? [Pre~iBent1869-18771 1 should say i% was '77, some- where along in there, when he came 80 Oaklmd, ad the blaaahers were ee% along BourDeen-bh 8%reatba- tween Washington wd Clay. Tha sshoolchildren were asked Ca bring flowers to %bowat hin. Then dud
before he was %f;o appear a man dtaahed isl amd ran up and down the lines and made svaxybody Fvho had made bouquets; Isoslen them, Ey mother had spent; a grea% seal of Oime rn&cng a bouquet wi%ha paper aoAltitr
~5~ it, and ahe was quite indignant, but the idea was tiha%if a bouquet shonld hit the B~esiden-bin the faoe i% mi&% inwe him bt38&1yr
13-t They weratt woxriad about anyone %bowing s bomb olr: -I Oln~syt Oh, no, nrexcy no. So ill~m~~~~uieredlBo ws all %hmw oat flowcra intg the open btwouehe that ha rode ia famr Thema had bees so many ~lband~12~&win$ Pfea5den%
G~mf'a awini~tra%i~n,of O~~~BSSE~YLO~ttl offioe; wae there ia@ling agdna%himy Obsyr I hmentt the 2ainLes-b idee, 13s waa popular and a
hero, I don't haw what brough% hbl out here a% dl1 j I: just remenbea $hat %he children were pa* on these blemhers md threw flowers 2ndd his &ar~i~ge* Baumo E don't krmov what a barouche is,
Olmey: 1%'~a French word, The driver sat up high 01%a seat aireutlz behiizl the hsrae+s, an& then %herewasr a Loa, swfngug omrLag6. 18 had n feldfng 3og whieh turned down BO tha* whoever was seated in I%was in plab sight, 9heret were a good many of %hoee owned by pr5vsl.te cliti~ene,ad. ladigs uae8 %o go for %her* afternoon d~i~esmd on their rourndrj of a&Lltng in them, Ihey were camman in -khoae, days, ad swap 1xrae8 In pub.lio pracessioaa. 'Itonfvs aeen pie%wssaf Chm, Ifa@we, &aunt Yea, @lm$pr Esesiden$ Bqea laas: aut arid mraa* batre ralmy%&woundC the bay ze@on erafsoemkl dm, X tMalr* 3bsl'ce ware a
Er, ecrt4 HXB. J@n,aBIrtmam$ wh~amed 8 plme new whwxe the en%~etnoe%@ @c~W&Rview QmaraBem ins now. lip ww nests! %hacad of Pde8nrumQ Avtsnueb. Pheg hetl sr veyy 1eveSy Boater wd eU1Bren had home on the
erme g~opert;y, *hey over@VESWhdrl~lpi%abZa81Mdl ;tnvslCed P~slsr%de~%lQEtyee -to Zanah+ My f&hex lklerdl mofher were ixmldsd and Z wara .a little playmabe af
OMI 09 ehe~grUoh%1dmneo T WGLB enai~dea,~QQ. Fhe 1moh waet in Phe Bzwt'tia awn horn, and %he& %he pests wen* rnwd in the large3 gautdlea -- it wae acreage, really -- mil P~@~idal?Bayas kis6;read all the little girls* md he3 Itjiramd me. $a Bhae'a m$
61&8 $0 @brjpV %haj!l~?@l%gh%witrhea% dP&c$&a&a WBF~~Bdmebadp arabdl gome qusek.tiora an& $hey aa%&, Vz@e54antBarfield ha been awast~a2nsded.~ AM +here jas% 4 hush aver the who59 eairels. X did&'$ kmw wh&% %he WGX~meat,
60 2 remember a4keeI ny nt~lilzatrwha'k %kt Wa8, 2t wae the f5.r~tthe EIQ head war4.
Ln B"I8t~hingtonof ooom@%here WQI $i pu'bllo f'me~giL,tad Ba.rfiel$'rs boar was omried through %he s%xee%rison %ap of wW% %hey oaLle4 a ura%dalqrae~-, a s&mac%we on a pea% t3?uokt you'd 6d-1i%, hilC up high 3.n atagw, adbhe oa~ka%wag 2d8 at the $age
Th%s mole thing wa& d~ape8in bl&.ekaloth a& QZ?@38,
Well, a1 over Bhas somf ~JT~MEEO Q&~&~QQB 818 ZWPrO* buaeQ, so fax aa .cr~i@tW%ow&@were ahh $0 do ss, wdl there was a f'un$~bjiLpm~ee@Iofz*bough af~@@tra$a ha&eds, J auppase, of vi31ages eiaee all aver %he
Wn%ted B%a%es;l.Pmoea~ims%hoa& $he e%t;9erat~8% the tine aP the funsraL, We maw OW@ fien Ghe wSnd@w of a ho2e2 sa 9hs EOU%~;we were$ imvi*eQ $0 go %O witae&s it, %by hEba BOE~I~TI%he p~ob%@~bb~~tandl p~kfrloBi~ Blneyt Yas. %y fea6har water ea B@publierm,
~suaat 1 woe wondering about sn%e&e~imsn~~whsa gou we~a
,. %n O&kIwd. We~e%her@$trhea%whlyou went to? 03.~~3~-tThere were, %he ninetxels Z remeabsr going %o when 3: wars quite young and I wm ve2y mu~heatez9ained
by %h@m, Phen 9on 9hmb tad hi@ aompw aslare unaer in a while and gave gwfomcretsr. Bavtmt How %allwaB %om !EbmBO Obey; I eari't remember, [fwo feet high, d.x%erenpomt~ds]
The troupe were ve~ysmdl, Phey uard %Q sr%ngmEl do daa~ee,and %hey8& ihCate Lhe minatrelsb lie91 joke8 and do fumy dh$~&is:@,PBey'dt uauudly have some
a- $he shale proear QBtosn they had se lit$le ow- ~iage%herwed to ride in; tFheytd asme on %he stage
Ohegt Oht did iQ! 1% was rtg't* next! door $0 ow house on %he gsixkkssge of uerfng Ithe wa%mffoa MUT gamleri fauaet, whi~hwas rigM on Phe feme beOwb@n om garden and Qhe
vacant lot, $0 f % was texF adnvenien8 for %hem. They used to ooae adfill +her$r buoke%@adgive %h~m2- md% dr5rdm, aad also waeh &one of %heisdogs, %hay put ap a beaoh an& %hey wrrebf~hedthe dog1 and 8hea hooe& them offl an13 they'd ~tifup in a raw o~ $he benah in
%ey gave us csn~pLiaafiBarybi@kcs?~sto aaee a% .the g@rfamanaasl. P~6aow upsB&&rlsl wiadlcrw we could see Bbough a exaek bs4meen the roaF md the of&esof the ten%a* ni&44 ws eou2dl see the ha~sebsakdde~a as %hey vent xeswndl adroun4 Bhe lug, Baxmr Were thezs timy rnub3eumar in 069362~4a* %hat;$he? Obey6 ma, trbsse natant%[email protected] Uke that, $am$ Bid you go QU% $e zte~s9awanDeain your iermiZiyT Obelgt There weren't my re@%aw&nt~~Fhere west$ W Sa . . . .
~~nejr.:wr'a aayr ~s our im~~o,%here.Hothe2 amp snjeyyoa going dm the P43&aao Ba&eX snt having oystebei, %at:
WIPI when %bhotel waar WtXP a~mnda ebw=b ad .tihe hozffeaaa81 earria&@@usr.4 %adsfve 3En %o fflsctllwge, the paaeswere. f. arm. ~slaetiBert%a%well.
Baumt Xoa haaenrt eai@ et ~0x4rja'kr~utBe~%b1&43ryet, You oame %o BezkeZsy often to v%ed% w2%hfrom grmsrentsc? Qlnsyt Iy f"fsw.t;reaoL'lrect$~rkof BezkeLe$ ww abou0 2879,
anz& t;h%tine %he E)I& FXR~Bl3tnd Zne;rtitati@nvee being bnlLC on WamIrig Ste~ee2;. By %he Wag, %hat street fa naed for Warring: Wilkimsoa, who was the supe~infem&en&a% the Deaf and Blin& TPrs%ifta%fori
Peather a% Union O~Llageh B?sw Ysrk, cso %heywere old ffiaaa* B-r J)id you know &@on Rf0h~B@bn4E~who rntxczied Qba wra amca QUO ad@pen%fhe nJl&O wi*h %heW%lkdaeones* Zhwe waa ao $rsuzspe&$tfion batweurn Oakla$ @.a4
Bexlcelery $flt;w bf8 ~'~iatbk,mu4 @o if yo%%%anre out Bo BUer you s%.t;hezrlaad fB repaad the night or yuu
ha8 a sort ofopen bwgy that he used duFiag the day fop hira Wsine@h;l,adhe dmve a spa, Well, he was hare adthere all around this aids of %he Bay behind dowa e-o OakLtaerd, five ailes away, to gsO us and bring us olsB f;a dWer, i% W~LBtoo muoh for %he borestfa 4% t&e tas bone agdn asd then restwa to Berbleyf fti
b1~.3.ll$fngimrweran*$ very lea? aloag -- the foandaitfaars B3xieyt Wea g~e&Cnoim, tito %bat wa 4311 g~.ittap ~QO~IBL
ourt of' -the dndow. !by ~9%eriiewdeti or& *he irrerlfnrs
f~@mWmhg Bf$owb mQ1rasl2.ced all %heway down $0 !J!ele@aph Avenue, le12, %ha% arearar %ha% theset were na hoat$ers betwaeaf~Warring adSfelegraph, so +ha%they had a o3ew pa%hbs roll in. !Tha%'a my fire* rscso;l- leo.L;%aaof' BsrkaaLey. Wan my isf;her had mother friend -- Z dkbk the oXoees$ $xien4 he ever ha3 -- Fdwmd B(zwlmd $111, %he poet,% We u~sdto visit Rr, and Mrs. EeAZ1; they
lfved on wh8I 59 a01 Bpmee S;tE%edS $he ~ot~fh~rnend af it, LO wae then odXe1 Mshnell PSaae an8 it was a ahart, dead-end strest, Hay of the atrests fn Berkeley have the naes of Pesw $nt~118a%u~~,
and Burshell waB orme of %ha, Xr, a~n4&ae Elill I~vB~
in & very gLee~-csw%an@-&~~y home Prrfth 61 very pretty gardm mound A$, an& in Ch@ bsok weca open p&~tur$,
*WillZaa BelmonL Bmker, Bdw~d,$bal~dS9l.1, Bf s ELte md Worker, Boughtorn 19ffIfrz Qsmpmy, BoeCon adI,BV Yox~~ 3.9150
Bath these booka are svailtalsle in lkumroft ELibs?~, UniverKLty of GaJiiomSa, a% Berkeley+ @megtf. gtaang laid., and %hey kept; a 0~w.8 2he ~QWwas a great gsft I am rfamsmber ha2 stding br the gab bartjwea $he ga;r?den mdt %hep-1~~afiwb~$ad Nx, and #FB. Sf11 pa-btbng ha fia1Hng to her, A11 of uus ga8tecl the OOW* %he Sills ha4 a Ghinerae ema ant, and he loved to n&e hot buns for bxeaWasC. E%$her%haywelzsnft
very good 02 elfa@3h0 BllZar gob tiPed 00 %helm, W8 they di8att dwa srhqe OhLnman'a ~ou%%neor %ell
him no% %to m&o any more, tire tihay wed to throw %hem one by ens into Cht~ open fi~epllbeaeiu $he dining room mid b m %hen up, @o$he Ghitzwart didn't &mw $ha%
they di&nlP-. Like Ms bunts.
the Univ@rsity. Xe wsa profeescrr of Lath. 2bey
were $ram Sew &agla#c%, We waod $0 via26 %hem and apeha tiha nigh* e~c~asiondSy.The$ bad plramte8 euaalypltuss treee a2.Z wow& Z;faeZE home an& on 8he hill behiad %hen,and %he w&& u~e8t%a rattrLes *he leaves, naeb, to a.y dbrsrpleasure, 5; nw@rZikad %he
scA photograph of %he hmtse is Sn Bhe Sill biography an page 307* hswe in Ot&&and re are@t@ ,go down b.%Be 8ixbsen$h
Biireslt statton md bake a load. train fhsb rm fo . ,
Berkeley. !i?ha%too stogpsa 8%sir o*olock, ProZe~sor E;alJ.agg would met& u~ with his horse $ad. buggy a% the
a9atian md drive! UB $0 his howe on karIms31, F'Laese.
Street, and to get to his house -- %bore were stree%s laid on% but they were not paved, nor we~e%hers gutters -- i* was shorter just to drive across the open vacsat Late %o ge3 tto Cheir houere, ad -khatcs%he way
we used to ga r The siat;etr ~tndhe2 hzsbmd and fat&ly, Oh@ Heta&Lis, lived right nexb BQQX Bo the EeXloggs, and s~moof their denoendants me s%911 ltviaag in %an Franoiso~, &awn; Bere aZ1 them houses desrBrayosd in Che Berkaley f$ze? Oheyr I: t&ln,k they weae, though I'm not mires abou* %ha%, One fe&u;lre of BerkePey maid &ifeswsw %he 1an%s~mvhiqh @va?yfaailg ow@d be?loaue@there were no @%metIightiss and when YOU were imri%e&oa% CQ &inneryou @meErame &Dm? dwk mQtthem was no way . . BtBayt of 'stloklng to the sLdrwslks sclllescr :yo% had ar lantern,.
ao ererPg astrple rho arrived osnried iba a lantsra and deposited it on the.porels by Eho fxoo% door, Pad when *hey want home @ach ~electtedhiw om and light;ed if;and wan* off inlo %he BLwk~~ests. B$tlmr Ware %hemke~o~enet1,mCem~S Obeyr Bither %hat, or ~andles~.I %Mnkmeet of them were
k~XW16~ete Bast It; nus%have been Biffiou1.t; ta go ouP at nigh*. Olneyr It waa i# a way, an& 5f it, was raining it was vexy
dS,ffimL%becase Lhe;ds were'so fQW siB,ewd.ke. Even when I was in oollega, ug to 1895, Wf&t Way lz& o
sidsva2k unly as far a@ Vm251e: 3tre~tMI& beyon& %ha%
2% waa jus% twrth, Some of us st~dendsuseti %-Q IliiBe! to t&e walk@wonnB Berkelory up fm the Exill8, and ws uaedl %o go up Dwight Payo md aiBa~a rain if waul& be sg mude&y md sL$ppery that we would hmd3.y be able Lo use
the tree% 8%all. Barn? We~e%he26 my%rete~ wo~mdl%hen, DH me the Berkeley trees a Pet$er iulCrodas$%oaT Olneyr 2here ware oaks, and ps~lsbad plmf ed dl2ferent P;%nda 09 Craev ad sndL groves of eucstlyptu~besauee Ola@yt it so fsat r hills were fei~L~rnnptg snd bar., bu$ Qherewere .~hTabrm,wild shF\lb~tba%grew &areaa8 them, in the acgqwlza eqst~fatlly~9!here awe bay
~fi.8been plw%s&.Y'- %he (~freet~had~~.t. been paved
berg TB was thmou-y bare, me fir& pcsdp1.e who erne out here *a live baugbd a6reag1 m8 h8d small r&a@hes,
oaIle4 them, md grew grrslh, m~a-trly,whiob they
sol&, mil$hey. had orcth~xaa,~A plraoe Lllke $;hits region
was planted with pine, fir arid a great vwi@ty09 trees, ao fha% some af %kmme still standing on
$am! Row oP%en did YOU 00ne out CO Berk~L@y?
03Jleyt kt frregular tiaesg T dont6 Mow, whenever we were
Bamr X wan&esed if your %&hert@ ~seP8t2life ww mom oemtazted
Obey$ f waulbnfC say $hat, but he had %hess014, dew fri-8s Olrnsyt wbwme grcsfeiaaoxa in %he VnLversf-by an8 he haw fhe~
T~T$~~11,10 %h~ew~BAsore Xl~ithIgt&an, $oU'~ axp@d-bt redly, back asld fartls, bedween Od~2wldm& Werkd.sy, Bawt I ~houlcl6kMk this WQUZ~ha~okeoomct the intelLs~.tuak center beseatxes nf the VriEvat~eity. Obey8 It &&a.
Baumt TOW.mentfofie&that you were on a trig to Yow)emi%swhen you heard about Garffeldcrs asssaaina%ioni Obey: Tee. Every yew we usred t?o go away S%rZ;o %he raoatains, b@cause a21 th~oughthe yew my father am sonder~ad wLBh people am% aeetings Ln aameetion with UBahu~eb,
work, adhe was also btexeatetl In wha% WEN called the wQharitles atnd Qosxeationsflof %he &ate af GaSi- Saxaia, one of %he firs$ atlemptie~to prmfde for poor
md ~ilkakad~x~%JUXL BPZ;~B@I~BQ$' QdJ.f~~Ekfl*$0 Be usedl %o 19ks to gst away -to very cl.uZe4~pla@$ti~ma for Oakland prsspf~~-a enbaa$ $W~FTB;Pe$! w aXB~@~.trh~,4 %hi& -- &o tcr 'lform564, A wan atlad Erie w%fe olrwa @waged mC %hay%oak a huge wagori and horrsaa md took up dl thee s~@pLiee,%he acrgking arBsve ail &LL the Qa%e ad e~ery-khhgwe wexe go%= %a tlesefl 2# aettdng
up a @amp#&?ad the$ went tap &ead a$ uls adwhen we mr&veU thez+%%hawBQ~€?emrip ww ~atup en a circle rigbZ on %Be lwoe8 River* ?be ray we go% -khe~?er *a go over 80 Ban &moiareo ad take the nigh%baa% StoeWon -- i.f;
WeLp; d.l-fi$h,% OrLp $0 8d~aHoI2,
$am t Dit3 the Boat bwe ~laerpfng eo,a@omaoo8&8~0np1? Bbeyt Oh, yea. 1% wa~a s.t;e~n-wBecsLerwhifth wan% up *he @Usby# %he way,. and. we slept a% ooayaifde, btele r- am a l%&%Xe tabota* three yeam olds~%him X. Bhec waa the yoaager dmgh9cu: ai 4bia ieaa called&hhe ektardlaa 09 Dhe Vpllcy, Eta a=@ rsa ~ot&kii~@@dm& he 'a ~lbe
least one book &boa+ Tosemi%o aad .abaut: the moun0eine.x $?his U%%Stegb5. m61 X ware together# she wm going bacak %n%e+he valley 40 apetzd the 1mer wiOla her ' fathex adt mcraerr The~ha4 Qo @endBe2 out af %he vaJ.ley go to BQPLOQ~ '10e6auge them wepen" @my sshoolai irs the! valley. !Phi@wae rm.msrzr vsitc&ian, eo
ah@was gshg haak to hea Ir;~wts, The vay .-ex% asmfng in %he ccmg @he appeared
would like, to have her bring me ts @pen&Dhe day
%heir horme, mdt my =other Ps-ti me go, f WBLB bacll@%edup ondm the horsre behind her, and we wea% do= to her
home, Mr, BatoMng~pre~en%ednB with ~WQhomes aad mprf not go Gbe Irrdiean smp. gh@xswate 8 large omp of EnClfane dam a% the lower en4 $0 the va12ey n.e~B~fastl feil TP&.h, andl we 9nrs8rt81t; gs dawn %hare
mtl #eve2 dJde BWt iae ahply WT~ofi thobe hozrseo. Wo'd ,gellop wound, and if we got DWeB we'd adop and ge4 off ad$ie the homes %a s ma%ree@ !!!he floor of %he valley is s%~@wnwiLh hvge baul8le~blrwhioB have xa11sd 4own Orom the eUSSra in age8 paat;, and iffwe saw ew %avbting bstU&erwe d amage to aarambSs up magbe wer4 juaB it $here look aoun8, ox naybe we'd gS&y houksekereping. !?here tsew alw~ys plen-ky off osnea %o p$ok #g $92 doll@* 8ometirne~%Ira.
etx-ksrneZy we= known, md she, had met ubs when we ware in %lacs a2;agecaaob gobig 80- 'the pads hlt~gibe valey. She ha4 oame up par$ way On hh~r~~ebaok g1~~teBhe2 gfsCsr, Ht waa the grief of hap 19fe %hatshe wac not QUert barn ti$ am, and she! dresee8 . asr amah $ n~t3and
ale4 mxmferkr tm far a~ eke c6uIdb @Be (a3wfek~~
r&ds a&rS%b~a& aha WQFQ big b0494111 tiiELkgti tap to
her luieee, &adl &at wore kt amatlg Bal: and @ape, $he met ua an $he gmlel the c-tage bivees knew her and
stapped rQh% awqy when he maw he??, andl tsEfet aaUe8 5.n%6
3: ~la.risea her now a6 plain as day* Bbe %oak off hex
hat ma wwed S% %O PO, and her sage sereaxned out in the wind and aha was jv~tLEfktjr a pdefure ao she sfaed there esayfag goodt~by~. I xenembez new %ha% Z# our r%Bwaaround the valley we of$en net B~E,ae9 1 have3 an idea %hattheir
rnodhm ha& %oldhex to juaf 802% 02 ktee~gan eye oa ua, We didnq%haw %haB,but P bfagine %h& she was in- stmatt;gB, Sheqd ge+k off md ai-t with ur~:anEt 4ialk1 buti ~ameDime~ebf8 ju& gme %he 4zLr.w QZ Bay g0 on,
Bhe, +o no, ortag s rno%twet:e~~s9snmil li-b isr very hE.8
fox me $0 &kcasp%CBe at&~rrten%whioh X aupgoee %a %;arvre that ah@ die& when eohe was only rzine4em yews @I&, OfJTeyt She die8 %he fall &fez we wexe %herein khes Wlsf~, Two OE three people have 0em @fee in9ereartetti in her life6 #he had, w f say, tried do be aa ~annisha@ ~heoould, ami &a ha been quit@ pssficient in swear- isng, 8Bte cag9sd wh@t erhe he& f~omthe #%ablea ssd tao OM, Shs aaae to %tan Bxmcfslers flop @oms puxpose -- =~be ~hewsla a~%out to school. ox ~eomet;M.ng -- md it wsla the time of $he Noady and SWey e~mge3iatiu
nestingrad She W&EI ooIzverted, ao she slamgad her way
of life fn reepeati %o wearing and ao o~,and srks was ve~ymch in.frerssdlited in the lit;-lile obpal whiah ha& been Wilt; in ew3y tines in.%he vdEey+ Whenever my
an vlefting aler$ym@nfor s~rvioaea@ there wa@no appoiW8ed m$n$@%er %hersa% %ha&f ime. She u~edfo get &he ahagcl ~eaily, ShetB @weepi.% out and QZI~ ft an& pu6 fhs hpnbooko mows an the bea~hes-- %hey ha4 benekiesr in~tm&of pew$ axid thexi on Siand&~b;rahe
ins, JE%qsbeen nove;d iroa where i$ war@ 6a mot;k@r
~i%uatic)a~,OR ~wrz8a.ytbere WBS no mfxth on hs~fhteq QZsnayf he wm aa a6lemn am ~hsooUQ Be, and when ahe waa rhgiitg the bell it was wfth xeligiorrar devotion, Batma Bow 81Ld you gblsr zZBe, ~ibeeddleaa a&frf&e49 62negt tFre rode asO~ide,X think, Batnmo VL%h ~Mcts,thou@,
b2neyi Oh, ye^, our little ohor%dcirts, Vta rode h ~ur
ses,lrLar cloBhee. WA~Rwe went off Y* when I werat off wieh %he grown people of %he amp, as we Bid very ob:%w, on Long trail rides, f remember ridiag aide- oaddls park of $he tbe an& mas% 09 tht~ladies 83.4, But they didnl.tt have my sgeoial riding ~lothes. Of eouucae, on *hose trail rid@@%he hoxaes netvex went
of9 zt wdk beoause the trailer were good tan8 e-tsetp and,
a@we~en*tthere %O g&3,0p, we! asere there %s be trm@por%el. Bamt 3t3iow were Ching~jrd2ed woune %he omup, like ~oQU; and getting smppLi@sT Olney; Well, the Iri$cha wa8 wde~a3l oak %xe$ and there waa
a big pieas of caa%~eL@1%~&6@hedbWe2 Ftr They had && oookirmg range, a light iro~ateve, abl we could hy provi~ioas5~ fhs v%llage* Borne Bhingo we ba~gh*
beflare wte left hoaet, an& Lheg were taken up in the wagon. Olne$s 12hinger Zlke egga aw8 m%lk ant% the ueud g~aserlwtwe oo~ldbuy art %he sBoxe, Pmmt llow far wa@ Qh*PO^ yoax am? Obey$ 1% w&rro about a d3.e 8#d a hali, %we m%le~maybe. Barno BAQ all %he ftimL2iee aook Bege%hez?? OUeryb Oh, t;h$s Sa4y Z~omB&xkele;ft656 dl1 the ~ookhg, %Re nam and WUBha8 Elxi~~inap aheradl of timet and she &iB ~31,the aoolldng. %henwe hat4 a y o foXlow,~ X gtmt~sr marbe e h%@hs;lehaoX boy, who wen$ with uts from OakIartB to kwp %he eanp olem an& Lay the bonfire and do %he ehoresa ~ounbthe amp. He went with us ~crrmelinteson theoe Wfpa. 1 remember going ap to Clouds* B~3.t;one tbe on hareebaack, dB that time there was a smaX1 hotel right &.ti the too* of O1ou&gr Eelert kapP by a %r. and We. 8now. I %he& they were &glish ps~pleb, %he$ ha8 quite a nee@ U$KLe hotel up %her@ where you dould spantl two
62 %be& ka$gh%rsraa8 1 rmhjrnber being up there. The buililing is gone now, f*m t~ld;Z haverikt%litbeen up %here
grIAt?ec
Btwas What bLd ysuz father like %o &Q when he wa@ t~hereT
OUeyt HB wa8 fond sf ftsh&ng hmtSng and. vary of @Uerf aeenezy W $reeBr Offen we wen% other pe-arle: ta other plasae, ampug, and he wW4 $n$oy $afng ou* w ~ ~ g th~~ugh%haw&de, an8 ff he Potmd s pet;lr8iala~ly
beau.tciQzx1tree er 81 lovely patoh of ~FPilBflowe~s02 a view, ~omethingspeoid, heUdoone baok to @amp and f;h&fir@% turn afrer IzerWaajt %he next day het& %&B everybody he oould persuaQe to ga baok to %hieplace eo- &ha% we ooulil all, en.Jayi%.We all gu8-b wdked along laoking~aomsffrmea we'd talk, ao~e%beawe wouSdnoL, Fa%hesenJoged sitthg adlook511g withouQ talking very much, Bamr Did he ever bring up booka and grspms sermons?
OLYLey-r go. Be wasl away on vaaat$an, adho left everything
Baumr Did be like 80 oonverw -- did he try fo seXec% people the he e~pecridlywm.tted to talk to? OZnsy6 T~B,aongenislJ, pixi its , Bamt How long would you @tarup %hex%?? Qbegr a* weeks, He alwws ha4 a traea-bion 02 six weeks, Barn; Yes, yautb nssd ahwseks to ge% up t21e~emdl get e@tup. alrir.g# WallI H&Ol Stasbs aarB qu1Qe a p~$~~Lt1vebrwi~n a% ghat %firas, aa4 I denv%la%~oabw %he@@ wia~lhatmla had been e~ti~BIiah@&2: %kinkpvebob2y i%wait-@ on a@~orn% of $he 1tagt3 ~ta%$~na.Z&ege warn no rdlraad asnneaf- iag ParOlmB ad $an. ~;arztr%;rtaoaat %M4i%$me. 2he .$isat tifie we wen* t;o Ht. &asW the ra9,3roa&~tspped at Re4&&igran& when it ems dmfrom 2as;ldSad -- %@If, Itanot mme %bat:91% hbtQ y1B be~Wf%dm
f~0lTl~oF%~ZUI&, bu'ti 1 kt&6W %h4~@W&S 1 0 rjdr~%eh~ in $here %hat;war;l oo~ereB,by %he ertagsssr* 'EBasre were %hapea3 rstagect7a.~h@@aram by
sf% ~CIXFBBB+Sonehow 02 ;*Oehe~ny $&%%her aJlway~wqled 9$ ~o that hs had eke sea* Besi&e%he&fiver, He B%dn*t like ts ride fnskQe, 4% ww %a@ %Q sea everyt&ing there was 60 be ~een. Be woulB, aften gef pe~@fss&on $0 have na @St ap %her@-- %he ta@&aQ w11 wide szre~ugh$OF me to ai.3 %hemQsa *e and&I rmmbasr cape- czi&2y wheri 1 wara mix ye@;~eaaid we wemat * 8h@taaant& we had Co @thyall &% on6 a%aS&on, ma Lhan
we 8sran.t: on fa aao4iher phaea where vlre wase @in&8@ slay, *a#%pave4 $hey $he @a;)r~tlof %he i%armm%ti~.Ever, %he 8uab wae eertaknly sir inahe~Biec9p wauPd hide $he maker* %here wexe oame loose stone@,bn% them wexe dlso end@of rook %ha%belonged on the efde of the hfllq the clrfver couldn't ~eeOhm, and evexy now and %hen $he frant wheela of the $Cage wouI& strike a rook, Just like a ehig go* aground in a 08emn, mdl LC wmfd jug%briw eoexy'botlp right up firBm&ing, Ihs people $n the osaoh woailcl get bwrtped esl4 ehecil? header aonld strike $he roof, XI was quite a thing %o ids vsrr fwin thoaa o&agee, and sll*rnAght trip made every-body pretty weary before they got to %he end. %hey @hangedhomes quibe of+%en,Be@~unethey were?-go%ng upbill all %he the* When %hey ae~eapproach- i~g8 @%age ~bt&&~~tthe O~E~T~F voula let QUB +tihemost Ohm know %ha% %he sPwe was ~adng, whan we amSve8 heye aeae %be 63ix fmeh fi26r~l@sd9wQbg r&gh%by %he 029eyt tcsad, jw+ in 6he twWe a$! a @ye %he h~stlerra wou14 cgetrstslr OUT hoxaae andl put in the new %em IU& en wet@ go.. Bmmt 5t nust bva been m expen&iv@operatiaa, with d.1 thorn ~O~BBO* ~~ngyt1611, Z donf%bow, The Wdle Fwgs lkpreao man always wen* aloag with his treasure box, money box, an& aha of tlbs perils a9 the Lzfg was h%gh,wa;$men, The Wells 1Fmgo box wars puf rLn a hidden plaoe, what Bhey calle8 the boo%, and the agent ma% up in a epea%al seat mez.dle for him slrs the roof of %her coateh with his rffle aaralsre kia knees, mid if a highwayramt st;oppe& them he waa fa 4imge~of being shot, Aha, %he agenC wa~in 4atager of befng @hot by -tihe hlghwatpm and tha% hat! kaappen@d B~WPO But yon never had any evea-ber like %hatwhat you were in th@ obaoh? Obeyo go, %hehoraea oaoe in a while wowld man away, e1Bhez gee fzbght@ne8or o~n~ry,mdl I ~emeaiberenoe ou~ etage was late in osmiag and whea it did arrive! the &rivwhad his heat3 aU. tied up, becaaes ha ha8 been Obey; %Warn~fftihe &ea% had Leazzded an bed, bat he wasl able t6 4rI.Wr A% %be firer* etagee statfan he wm aeUweB, sf oom~iie; they go& mo$kte~Qxbtr?erI Erub %hegQ8had qui.%ea serfoaa time becam@@ %he'ca&ch had Z0fP Bhe ro& and plunged boat#, ForZ;lznia%eXyi$ tippet3 over, but there were people killed oa Che tzip ever$&aw $&errc 1% WWB'%%to safer Batamt Where wa~~ldyou e-bar? Olneg-t A% these ll%%lehotsle. %herewas one aaUaB Sissonla, I suppooe.we sL&y~&thexe quite a@ auah as az3y& Hx, adRrsb Sfssan had come from somewhere ~yrastaxted a lllttle hoQsl .En csnjmc%2oawith %herstags sLtztQ0~1. IPza,&'s am. the plateau where the town of It. Ohaata i~ aaw. %en %barewaa anubher glaee &rt&exdawn Bhe 8acrmen$o R~BQP 8. few @lea oallsd Uppar Boas 8prSngs9 and we we8 Oo s%ay there, %ha%was quZte a Large hotex, and butlt ~svaf cely$ it ha.& porahsa all. the way momd Bhe building where we oowbl-d sf%, ri&f on %be a%werotxt, so %ha% wkten %he etee am@ Zlla we baa $0 raa4 36 ehut ow bedroom windowsr to keep %he b7xs-t out;. Bmr Xi ym went Cb a lLttl.4 Lm lLke B~ESOII~S,wouM yea Baa$ .Bar there %ha whole six week. ox wo\tl(l yo* trapel a=? Obey* Father liked to amcs ma-, ad we% stay about inre preeka i& a pl&oe. %hem were .kws or thse OB~Q~Fglaeees where w@ usad to stap, and alwayo kept by e aowpls* mlddle~agedgeople, md taoaetbss they had childman and sometiass they diilntf ?he Bissons had war so many ~!hiZ&sn~an8 the oldek one&hexpea. me oldea* d~ughterwait& on the tabla helped her nother wok and wae quits asefil, and the boys &so hnb their osalx- pstions* %UQ~they had to hal~, 811 %h5a time aroma these little hoCela were hay fZcl8s stad orchnrtls an& paswea mid ritl the things *ha% hme Lo bs &&kenawe of in the com%rg, The people 1.v110 owned the plaoe were preBtg busy all through the swmer, mA of dourse in the rvinBer %heywere snowed in, Barn, Vaa that hm for ,van, ox wa% if; too qnfet? Oheyr we ahlldre,~ha wonderful. thtaa, just wonderfutl -- paddlizag in the strews an4 glayPng unBes~the trees, Ws seza busy f~omaornfng +ill.night;. Then when they aere bringing In ths hay me'd go out in the fielcls &a& ~f 6e in 0x1 Lop of the load, That was fun. T r~uamber in %he 8isson kmily the youngeat boy rraa rafher arndJ., md be waa fond of pet$, Be appewed fa *he gmLor one evanbng -- people ueed Ba 85% asourma %hepwxZs~and LzZk, somelines theytb ~fngan4 aame~%;3tme@ssaabo8ytd Qaeyt a eQ@ry or teZl &bout ad~#&w?@&Ihe'd hdd tiat$ as %o*h -- atid he ha4 a fi%.e wMoh h leB &awn QR I&@ flosx muoh. %o %ha , eono9szlmatti6no$ ' +he JLwliars. Aa he ptoked upaha x&% en4 waa tendliag it, one of 4he lad$elj add, Vhme 4.0 you keap MmTe And %he lift3.a bag. cad, Wh, I keep him in the Elmar produaed a good deal uf OO~@%&I~?XI~~~OE~.. Baurrnt Wee %h,eseplaces ulaualJy qaiQe tomfartable %s a%ay a%, or were $be-$-0 OUeyt No, *hey wemaz'.tt aomfar%ahlsbut we put up wfdh %hem, Mtmy of tha, tllpatairs where %he be8rboms were, hdt no real walls, Chere were just wha% we u~edto od3. ~10th-md-paper parti.tFfoa@. 9here1d be ~ls%h8%red@hed -- aremetimes it dPbl%even go up %a $he oeil3q -- mid, %hen 5% waB uerudly papered to give itj stabilt%y ad take away fhe txanerpwenog of if, You could hear from one ad,of %he ugstai~sto %he ofih~x. %a% %batwtw part Olneyt Well, them wsrs ooae fcmgSsrs Of aowm Del lonts ww omeyt BuSL* ;ta $he eat3:Zg e2ghDierart %ha% W~BRVexg tias %porn %he be@*, Bn& there were tih her pbaes bharlr wmre aar(e gsrceDen%$oa$an8 ai&B h mLL%eiP Peel ;pe- ~QZ?'~. isy fa%kezdk&n'%11ke ga wharxer there ww s czrowd. Ha wanfie8 8~ gas* atway, ad theas rsao.&etglaoles, espeojct$lly wound M8* 81h$etaI het sndayed vary maoh, He luvwi %he mounC&&s stnB Be endeyerdl 03i1~biag. He wan% UP 8hsta %beetime@, T tkhk, an8 when we wen%Bo Bwiteerlm4 in la%er years ha @limb@Hont Blaua. Whe~evaxthere was a mowxBais he aant;ed to alfmb i$. Bmmr Bid your ~oLhtsrlike $hat; sort of mOFs rugget3 VBQar %Awn? Olneyt Well, she puL up wltrB-kh 5%. She wsan't able *a waZk very much. She &odd ri%etihe hoxsersr on the %r&La, brrO I$wae pretty ha% ~n her. h'ti @he?stnjo$@&out-of- daors very &taahb though %hewaejnlt a veq rugged person. Bamol You Ezaa m@n%iontad#orneWng ab0u.O EigUslnd Bgr-~ in all432 L&e. Ohe$z !?ha% was OM bP tihe mere oomfartabh srwboi-the-m%lb ~~asarB~.We nevess: went .t;~p3aaea like Chat **I too many people. FoOhe~wo'c11d ~lwdyage% a&dlquaQX3..t;edwSGh Qbegrr a4.L %hemen argan& Qhastw 5189Ze glaaee wheae we oaesd to go* &jt w~~sldgad ac~quain$s4with mgbardy e~erybaay~bvtB he wsar no# 4 rrsleror%eratr all* Ee wandeQ to get away fztarn Bhettr enjoye4 ~~LLkbg to tha nen who %oakuarce! of %he? rat;age hs~aes;any- boar who ~aae&on& he Xil!zearb ta talk 80. Ba;uma Be 3ua% needed 8 eomplete %hangel Olne$f Tea, of IU~QWU~~W~W2d 8Q&6 ad0I3Lrm&'k$ ad people Bmmr were! eftaden%a% the Uk&verxsfCgsf balifornta frw 1891 *Q Sb99* Oeald TOII %ell ua ~~~d&hgabouD %he Univerdliy am3 s8and@n%life a8 tha% tine? Olneyr Well, I was gain$ to begin with my veery first! memory of %he Untveraiey eampusr. Therti was wha I wasr quits a erndi3. chil& atld my father had ~~6flme far a walk 2n the Berkeley hikla. He lid %hat every now am8 then. !!he Baaon &ibrarrS which her168ntly been tarn down, was just bsWg builf a9 %ha% tiane tmd if waB open, in use, 'but %he ladaaaping htxlntt beem &onewa8 evex-y%Ugwas very rough, asjr we omr down off the bill^ we 4me $0 %he sL&e QP %hebdl4kng where soace s%epswent; ug iata %he library, and I sarr untder my 1% waa ao ~outghmde nawd '2km-b was 93sLeyr m 9ty- day Et l!&lxLw buil811ag ]nu bea adtBcsQ -1 80$ EL&! nmng, mghesrlrkg -w ~9i~u~~aI. h9Z&2ng4 They we543 &oQt;et¶~FQUU~slatha2 ahae tage-thar, ad3h~)re wae no aB%aap%at ~0&dwe%.g8~OF g&he buf the paahrs weve e19,rnpIy worrz bg is& going %he aho.&erer%,way f~anan@ buiking to anothw, an- patveil, a4%n rdmy we&l%herr%hey were ~uifeskfppe~yd now tan& %ha a ooeB weuld sit down hart? ail her [email protected] be ~cacltfasraaia Ohneyt as, none wha$e.v"ez,cnnd %here wem vazy few Lreeer where the bufl&Ln&et@cec !Ehe&e w~rrebcsslu0if:ul osik .tizests down %ow&@ the 2owe~part of the @q'1xsLdam a~ fa eta whe3e Oflor& ltrrs~ttis now. Same of Qha have d$e& au% of OX& LaEger lEhese sat4 can% vevy baau%$~ ful one $hat was rimed POP J&X~;PIBIQF 60e 662Qofi.@e, kngwa aa the hd,3on.b;eOak, bab %ha% died msnsrly years ago. them yaa were i~1,mh~o3, QB~%he smpussT 0Uefrt I think marbe it wa~g a litCle after I: grada&$e4 .EUt Ball, DoarnraB&x& there waer rat gJX1se gpasSm,. a& ups$etfrs there wee an atllditoxium mad one the she had fmow mus%aiah~some an Bunday etfltaraoone by adwe ha& the w:osl4*@,grea21 813.ngrn~mcl ~aloiebei Bamt Wa8 %Us the! oLB Bemot 6ymanaeium which bwnes4Y Blneys Pee, %ha% waa ereetcsd eoon aftex I left ctcsllsge, 'but %hen ehe caused that canapetit%sathat eatled in tEra [the Ben82:d plan], mB trhey followed %ha% s good many yormrs. Bow of conrete they've pu-t in ero many other hild5ngs here ~tnd%hers tb.1; it's hwd $0 Ti&& Bha plan, exoept the main +xis, the great bxoad walk which Bl;sLcs$o Tee, We ursed to be fnvi%s&,f Lkink my husbma was %haattorney dsr the boar4 of regeZltia about %ha* tact an& that mead& h5n an ma.ffiakaZ regen*. Hi4 h.& EQ vote butt he at%eade&neetinge md wag ineluded in a31 the e~cZaZhbinga %hatwen* on, 431s aifiafa soaial Vnive~lsltyCh5~1gs. Baumt Dfta you nea%Mrs. Hears%? OXneyt Yeas, we knew her qplte well* She arras also ineereeted in the Ymng Women's Cbistfan baociation Ban FxanaZsoo, md she used to aame to the meetings sf the national YWCA com%titee~whfoh both of as vsre on. She invited us out to her plaoe over the hills new Pleasaneon. She ha8 a heaut;ifvtl hone out %here, just filled with bt~andxi.fulthings. 1 went out there aev'eral tfmesr to spend the Bay, Wd when we were in- v%te&out t~ dinner we were usually invited %o eped the nigh%. live forgotten how mag people she could aacommada%e, BuQ all %ha% waB aftex my aCatBenC days, Let me me, X opoke of the five building8 %hem were on %heuam.purtli Bamm @ynumsimwae &lrao there, but %hatweas down low, near whe~eimt;issr now* Xsrtlz Hall was the bu21ding where $he majorit$ 0% the s.trude~12;o Glneyt had their sla~~esr%he Bcuth Hall wag e eo&entiiic baildf.ug an% it had one geodas&ee& mdit~riuawith rat~admatali a Leo-e FQQB, Z"msfeerecrr doe I;sdon%cs used to glve us geology anit ~010gyhir'b~$8there. Bamr I've heard he was a mmelous leo%urer. OLnsyr Oh,. he was. He gave 'theme aomeresi year after yea, ad, he wae very fond of a joke and Be had developed many jokes whioh he gave yew af-ter ye= at ear-bstSrz points in the leaturee. Often you'd hear ozle abzdent say to mother, fiWell, don't you cut tomorrow, beaause Pr~fetEiooxam's joke on suoh arid rjfueh a t;bing ic come ing gffen He weald tell these joke@ and than he would stand ~YLBjug* awe up an8 down without making; a sound, and of wmse the whole alarsre jusrt haw-hawed, He waa alwaye known ~keProfessox Jue, UBbrother wa~ the phyrsioiwt, a.nd he was eaUed Professor John, but Well, Nar%hb11 had in it one large leotuge roola given there, ehfsfly by Prsiessox Thoma@Baean; other popular cowsee %ha% had vmy large attendance QZaeyt warn @iverafa. th& reom, Bamc ~QWrnmy geeple osnrir8ibu.fie8 "large at.ttendimeesw . . %hen9 Obeyt Bell, 1 mppoae it waul&hald ab.0~8 hundred, . aome- fMag Pike the%. Host% of Berth Ball wa~taka up br smallex elassroonts, It waa twa B%OI?~~EJhight md there wars a basement, so there wa.s a petat deaZ of going tap and dsm stairs betmeen clasaee, Ta the baseram%wasl what am known as UThe Coop," the ooapera%ive, and that waef the bookstore, They had swpplieer ;tikg perici1s bllla paper. We gat %heoff3oial paper fa^ our exm.5riafion~ Che~gr And then there wars %he ZarZieat room, md tha% waa a large room thsf ran from one aide of %hebasement to the ~l;laer,and 3.t waB for the use of %hewornem. studsnt~~, If you wmte8 to ga there %o ~%uElyox if you had brotl$h$ yons Iw0h dCh you it was a place where you COU'J~tee refuge, and there were couches where you oauld lie 8swi if you wm-bed to, and. comfortable ~hafrs,Wkd lookers wMoh you cuuld sent for a very amdl fee @ad keep fm boob that you did~a'Bww.E to emxfr back and fw%h 0Uer;gr erolesfr &erg, or aupsrfZuotze overahobss oz 6satsr 02 aayl?h%ngyou wanted %Q. $0 the 28t&ie@*r06m ww guf%ea gsl'bizerhg p2aeca for $he esads snB, very meh u~ea" ;Cn the! rczert of EForth Ball there were mall elw~roms,andl aa there was no general heating eysteszn 3.~~OQBone 0f thwe ~msllel~~~ram~there wasr a fireplace wieh a ~attLeof cod left by %he janitor, md %he profeo~o~wffen bad to Ifght hi@ awu fire when he wrtveii in the aoming. I remenber one profesaor ad Tiatin fxam EJew Englm4 who brought hi.8 family out here arid took a haus;@in Berkeley. I ~rrivedearly one moralfig far @lase,i-b w&s the fixst hour, asd it was pawing ~ut~of~doarsmid tza4 been pouring for several &ayer, and %Us poor professor wars standing 8% the window looking out into the rain in 81 1goih3t a5sconsoJate attitude. I waa the fix%% one to a~ri~e,and I eeeted him, n@oeB morning,N ad ha satb, tlDosa it; alwaysr do He told me that* in hi# houee *he chimney ha6 leaked so Ghat %he had poured d~mma put out the fire, md water had epsead 8x1 over the fll&or ad they'd ha& a Ce~riblenj-ghti OLney* moppw up. Bo oartalnly was 4trsouraged rlth %he .Olarneyt Ye$; %he li'lsrmy now etandl~where it was. E waa wondering absn%elrtlssseand how thegoompared . . Bet,$ . . to 60tlayfa Univsraity olaeees. Did the courses rutn a semeeter ar a [email protected]?7 Olmzeyr Borne were a oernestex ad Bone. were a yea., a.ooordling to %he subjects. We had wflnala,u &r~d FBCOX~B were kept pretty well, a?m, of our raeitalions, Gl~,sse~ were mall ernoagh, mdt. . %he prof eeeor &.A hi6 lit-tile book with our names ia it;, a8 azter ws had ~scltea hefd a!@e s. nystia nark in the book, adhalf of om gxa&es were judged by that FBCO~~and half bg our final examinations. Baws How often d.4d you taka exmimationart Olney: We dlidnl E have my mid8erns. I don't remember \nthether we had what they odled a test now and then or not. Baami Did noat of your olaases hava recS%a%Sama? took tbati wae chiefly lecc%u~es~although WB were called upon about onee a fern %a reciCe, BzaB 'chs pro- OUeyt ieaaor bi(l mcpsb aP tlur work h DhaO clma. !@helasfhod $lepmd.eL on %he aub$eat, and of ~awsePxafeaa~rJoet'ff ~esi$cad. I3-t !&ey di&ntf Iswe %@ad&lgeeefPone Chen, dong with s laelme eile~o? Olneyt Ho. Prof@asapJoe xeliea emtimlg on the find examin- ation~POP grades, tars T say he conducted no recita- %ions, Barno MB you have asdgned zrea-grs? OUey: Year We were upp posed to read a ae2Cs;tn mou~t. %he oktasses met -- I: won," say how rafketn they met, eieher, Latin alms met every day, I Witzk, Bamt Did you take wytw ;from Profee~sorGayley7 in ~omaing,tam3 took mo.trhsx a Sbakespeme. 2hotse were &eli&t~lal, We had ta wx2ts papera; as wxoee gapers for ahoat a3.1 tihe ssurses. Paxhaps a Lie% of topies would be po#tsd md we'd ehoo~mwhaB aubje~%we'a like %o write on. !&my had %Q be a @e&alnlength, Phey were Barn; Wta $hat lib~paryadisqu6tfcb' for raur rsse-eh sm ~acth paparsf Olneyt Pelare There wara aJwt?tpa a xetsem$& asation in th~ 5ibx~y$02 every eoXtJBer There wasr ak La%irj. professor who wa~noti a& all popular, a f-e 3jati.n scholtm but difffeulf %o apprsecsh stla& not au% out far a teacher, really. Be waa a aaholarc Ha would plaae boake In the reesrved seetion aazd in %he Gaurae of the class he would say, "%here is suah-and-such a hook en %he reserved sesti~n.~Well, %he book stayed them, for all of us. 53211 if Prof essa~Leon Richardson said, YEhere is a book h Bhe reecerwd sseti~n,~%horseof us who diB not haye elasares imnedfately following hisl would fgr~tand g$% the! book. He always made OUT elasasr-er ex- %;z~enelyia%exes%Pngsand made, xm warnad to kn~wmore. He was a barn f@&@herabaalu2ieJly et born teoahcm, Bawltlrr He wa$ a vrav young man %hen, Qlneyt very frPmdly, He waz~teie80 k~@rwdl hie pupile ptmw 1@~ialQ-,a82 b@ made a grasfide of ealliag at the%r hom~&ti 181t~& OP~CM~SP~ZYy%mr Re beeme a V~FY gcloa fr5enB 80 & 10% of uts. le uasd '60 @one ofterri ta my houae, arid saev@x%.lothss hourirers, some of %hemin Sm Fr&Q10i10d9840 that Be xealXy made friends and the result was that her was invite& to all our claers per- fomaoea, and ha &way$ tf;~the dlmoerer, Be was made an moffieia.2. Bomrary member af our elass. We always oansidared him a c~as~ma-be,always. Baumt We have casz Pn$emiew with beon aiahdhsion and he %ella of hia early tsaehing sln Latin. Bib you %akeLatin from any oLher imsj%ruotora'? OZnsyo !.there ware %wo others a$ lesiaf who tanghe Latin and Greek, Bamt They muat have had ~i [email protected];mfiP3.elasdeal language depmtmspzB the!&, OZaeyr Yes, The slLassic~were very mueb s2rtadbsd then. Barn: MB aoat stabsnts Oaks Lakin ox @~soj)&? Olsley~ 80, I o~oul&~tsay rso, ?hey had $0 +&e gome Lmgaaga, There waa a vs~yg~cl& bapwtman&, and a fienob you take any olalgsrss %ramh;IsnT OJ.negr 30 Eke al&'-b f@s& afOsr he became preridlean*; 1 had born hila all ay life but I never hsd any Baurat I'd red tha%Be wag a very gais$ am, Olz~eys Yes, veFy shy advery qnieD, uaaaeming, Be sua& his wife weper New Englader~s,very h~tSe~e8rtiagpea- ple, Freeiden% gerllagg was a Ler~Lfi&pmetep, I remember a cs~npanywould be wi%h him, a18 i~ the qu%s%tes*Way -- YOU @@ntldh~dly h43~ hi8 OQ~Q~-- he'd ge% aff: ~omsawful pan abauf mything uncles the em, wd alaaya ~i%hta parfe~~tfily IQ~BR~~ fme, a~d set everybody off $n.t;ct pmt,xysma df bughte~~,He wa@ rdsLZy 1009 of f&n, B~bnm; X %h?T.Mk: it wa81 dwbg 8he yeam y&uwwee at ~ehael thsf they we~eCalLkAng abrstrb ahwging btiti~a*T~u far the r%oro~fCyor for books or various 8oaiet.iee $ha% we all bdongesd Do, adny tabhex ulsedt ts terar n&l&lyi way^ I though%%Mawa@ a freq ina%$%uti~n,~ Wezle thy holding E9f;enlei0~alpr~@e@ .to YOU &OW? Ha% that X bow ofe Z d6n9.tknow, Whi2.t~ we're on the swbJea8 OF the Up~fver~ity andl PresSdat Isllogg, did yoan? father have any oonta@L with any of the s8k~rUnSverabty presaidents? Well, I aylsalf. have seen ever$ preai8eLz.t; of Phe Universkty excerpt the firsat I don't remember him, for I thSn6 he died before T was barn, bu.E: I: am Pem~111;befall the rest. Soma 0% them we knew very sell FnBeed. Did you know John Iteeisrmte'? Yes. WaonV%brant tlas Firs*? Yes# hs was $he f&s9 real an@. There were 6w0 sot- ing preoi&en%~,W911ey and John LeOonCel adthen Henry IJuraElC was fhe Sdrsf red one. Chat' a what I thought. I rmambax Praaideat QiZmetn ooairag; %f;o our hol;arae to gee my father adJ opened the door when %he doorbell ~angaxid he sn%@r@d,Rte warat wsmtng what mmy genX2mer1 wore in W~eeday@, a vegy 101uain0u~bape p. and I r~me~be~the crfr with whioh he &mgtha% cape sf5 when he ome inti6 fhe front; haU ant3 hung iD on %haWLrack. %t.Gsssksr have dSaappemeQ1,bat; evmg hall., no ma'c*sx haw rsmal3, Izd o b.2xaek whem pceople hung their soa%e and hats, wifh a 3it%le mijcxsr in %he niddl~. %herew~SWeTr Retide We knew h5wt vtxq well, He later had a boy@' raaboal. down a% l3eUon.t: on the Petnlrmsu1a;t bt wae a very famourjr aehool an8 ws used to go down there advisit, too, And then dab Le00nt~tbaeame president again. That I Cvsforgo-bten, bu2; T: remenber tseebg hh, He wamct a partioular friend of the family? Bot as much a@ ~omeof the others. Edwrsrrd Holden? %e wa8 an a~%ronomer, Borae ts Davis. He was a busfnssmm in Ban P~mc2seban& we knew bim qaS1e well, $oo, ]We was in flour manufaature, and he married the daughter of Stam Ldag, the Vnf%t;a;c- istarr lll%uf@tb2, And of osurse laxtin X~lloggwas p~scslidsmztfop a low Bat. t Then Benjamls Ide Wheel.erI;in 1899, Olnesyr Yea, we kpm ha, daung By *hi# t.ime your Family had napred t~ Berkeley. @.lneyr We were married ia 1899 aad we were atili sCay5ng in Oakland. la lived there about five yeare after we were mmrisd and. then moved to Berkeley afttin? my father stnd, mother. Baum: Did you know President David Presoott Barrowst Olneyz Well, I kaew him frm the time we were both 'three years old. He lived in Santa Barbara and his father bad come out hem with kZs family; They lived on Piedmont Avenue going out towar4 the cemetery, in Oaklaad, Bay first reoallec%5on of hhal16 his rsister, and there must have been one or two other ah5ldrea, was of rumkg round and round the dinfng roan table when my eyes were just Mgh enough to ~eetover the: top, David Barrows wae one month older I, an& he loved 80 tell the story -- i%'s in his autobiography* -- about how ha and I went to Sunday aahcml tagether. QZnsyr We weps izl $heit #infant O1asstn and IO~~~QW02 &her in wdkirzg; up tha dale Zn %he, 8mdlay raobool room he ratamble4 839.d fell fI& oes hie fac~@,an& bur& info tsars. ms de$sriptfo~sf %he look of a@sm whish 3: bsrtowad upon him was too fumy, and be never got over it a@ long ae he Zivad, He'd go off into roars of laughter every fWe he'd remind me sf that inciaent, 1 was so seo~nftalbecause he oou1dnff keep hh fee%, I di8ntt see him. agaky1 until he had graduated f~omFomona College an8 he eramet ra-i;, here aa a graduate student, I think if;was in my senior yew. Then we mat an and aff, sometimes ia Olar3mont, in Southern C~liPornia,and in 8ifferent glscss, mtil about the time that he took his family and rient to the Philippines. We saw each other every time h@ umle home from tbs Philippines, and Xrs. Xaga, FreaidonL Barrows daughter, was telling me the other '8ar that she m61 hex huebmc? ha8 mzbde a quick .trip to the Philippines just a few months ago, Ir. Hagar [Bageat Gerald H. Hnga3 was askeB to xep~esantthe 'fTniveraity at; the inaugtzraf;ion Oheyc of $he new waiverslity p~aarldtentthere, $he eaid it W~Sfh3rey-~f~~QUX~f~~nhere Nlmil~. %he Bmrowa u~edt.t;o @am@ home on a vaoa0ion it took them one manth by atema to maker the t~ipr Ju~€6hW of i& I Bawl %?Ben theroe was WZl19am WaLlace Cmpbell, Ohart He was mother astrononex, We knew thm quite well. hdthe dproaler also, Bawt Ihi~was af"bsr you were m&m?ied, Olneyt Ye@. We 22~68on Coflcge and mgh%Way for aevsrd years, Baumr I@ thaC the house they jnsO tore dawn t;o build the Pgmarz Hall? Olneyr Yersr. Xt had big baak yard andl we bought it 56x the yard, We h& two boys a% Chat tias and the house we'd been lLving 5n trr Berkeley had .~?rsatScrallyno play epaes, 80 we looked euoovwd mtfl we faand this houm with re big baak yard, Wes lived. there for fifteen yeers, ad then it got rather ar~wdedlmd the neighborhood ohanged wi8h a lot of rooming houeea atad alubs md one thing madl aoDhex? mamb. So we moved up hers inlo Baugtt I!m mwisu~~taboa;cb wha% $Eke ~-faaat~ware 3ike when yoax wera a IB~J~~CJIPLO.W~DQ the201 @anyghls a-bt;ePldting %be TTtlivers&fy'? 0lneryo %brewere only 400 @tuden.t;%on %the aapua, rereme of %he tiat@%hatI wae $heret andl I &onr%know whaf PFQ* portion were women, There, wexenlt very mmy, ft was the begLm5.ng of women going %o%he Unjver~itypthey had be- aooeptad way bet&, Wt there were fewC sug- posed t;o be very ra%rosg-minded, females who entered, Ihere was nothing in %he ckgartesl oi the Umiversity that kept women ouO4 it sever occuxred to anyboclp that any woman would ever wwt to go to the U&iver~$.t;l~t,but sow did, adgraduatied wiBh hono~~ieuzd beeme dig- %fnguPehed 3.k~ dhefr various ways, But my tae was fhs beginning of the genexal. as@eptanOeof' ooeds, ad %here wexe moxs 112my day %hm -there had bewi bsfere* Bama Tau eatsred the UnivesraL%yin 1891, Blnesy t Yea r Hltautp.8 $0 yon wwe eighteen years 024, iks tBa%rZght? Wars aos6 ef %hegirl&! titraund eight~a? 0beyt Yea, sx at 11.tttle blgt@z. Samt I wag wowdlet~ingabout; %he girh who went to aollege in fhass bayB. ma%kTa8 of girls were they, wha% kind of hone@ df4 they oome from? Olneyr Well, all kinds, Ae 1 ~ay,%he eentrm~eof wornma into the coLlegets began just about my tWe land %hers were all kfads of girla, But; there were two things %hatithey oou3.d choose to do after graduation# they oould teach, or -&heycould stay home with ms-t;her. Batm: The only career upan to thea wa@ taaehingv Olrzeyt Yes, practioally, L know we ass& fo oomment on it, even in $$oa;re? days, %hatyou had %he oboicet sf tea&- ing or staying home wit& mather. %hat 'a what we eaL1esd 1%: "Iflangoing to ~tayhorse with Mother. Arra you led la nuoe or lesa secfaty lifa -- you ao2ned @o@ZaLor cl~azilablseocietiee md things 05 tha%kind, There were plea%$of i~Bsreo%sfor young w~rnen in those Bays, md theza was &way8 tiemis and -- there waaatI3 any golf th.8 ewLy, but %ham vas a- 0Ueyo way^ gSer~.Oy$0 do. Bu8 yea Bid if froan your hr~)~pereta Db@ @eater,ox elm you taught. Batma: Bid 8he gfrU wh8 wexe phnaSlr3g %CT e.ftfay hone ~Wdy hone aeogombm, or waa %herea%yt;hSnglike %hat;? Obey: No 3: dont%tWk there were my hone eaoaomics in %hosedayfa, If you wmtacl %o learn to m;tn ia house you dtd it at Boma -- 9f 6hs cook 1st you+ Ox if you didrr*lt have a cookl.ywr mother tiaught you, Bztuzll: $0 your *raining in ooUege waa mainly just to mdcs you a nore crultursd person, Olnsy x Tes . Ixaot3.y. Eawn: %ere you prepebrfng to teaeh? Olney: Well, I: dlidntt know %&% f waa, bub 'my father seemed to %hinkT'd bwl;fer, and while f was in Europe he got the offer from Pxssideat Jordan for ae fo tsmh iastruc8or fort one year. !£?henI was askeb %a go dova to Poatsna OtiLZ~ge, an& ouketituts for an Jhglish professor who was &war ~risabbati~tal,a&d &BO be wbQ 2s now edled ban af Tomen. In those days it was cxiLl2ed Lady Priracipal. lam$ You were preGly yotarag for a of WQIU@L Obey$ 3 was, had nos% sf $ha ff.t;w!lm%awwes tXLnaas2 are old asl 1. "Ja8 wa@ %he atoat v&&uableayear of ay lU!t%. %kt;wr~a w~1&13?Myearr X=b wm 9;a %ha~exyearly &aye 6% liromona @allege eklad $he faaxCL%ywwee mdLX %a nmbex, Phey were Iew &gl.rn&era and a very high L$pe sf men, who wanfed to bring hfghes sduaa%&oato Qa;lffcaxnLsZn Ohet private aollege- ins%eetBof a mivex- s5t7y, atza it wa.@ il vvsry valueable trb.ing %O be a~arocria- $ad. $hm* 33a-0 Had you liaarjsred Pn En$;3i~h? 6lney: Ye$, &~gliahanti &a%-, !ks Ea%Wprof easoz a%P~mona ws~taken ill anring the yea 1 was there +- I wa@ there only one year an1 $Baa 1 was matrried -- ctnd 'they raarked me to Cake h5s bath olaase@,@a POP 8 &or% +im@ I tavgh* Latin a81 we33 as English. Bamo bfr ~osdlnerr~a! OLneyo Well, they ditktt he~7~eRIW00WBQ8, you know. 'Ehsre 9ar .a worn= living in Be~k64J.qELOW who w&9 in the pre- pwa%ost.y8epewncbnerun.t: of Boao~zaGollege *- %hey had a prepear?.a%oxy&ep~me~t%f;n Lho~edap -* md ahe! wae in my begimezat Z1&%izk t311~1. NBW$$BJTIWQ lazzgh abouf it together, Olrre$t !&ey ailnet have my, Bamt %hex@ wa~no dtean of woman? DBiB Qheyhave anygrre $o help Phe gfrls ou%T Qlney: He, exctept iaeulty wives whom we laadeg friends w%t;kL. I can't remenabex now who they WBVQPB,bu% man$ of the faeult;p wive@were interaa%s&in %he gb1.s and bd fhts girls af their homes qufZFsn s good deal, in group8 and shgly, arzd if you were aww Ssa@ homer and wmte& &vice you usually hear aomebody tamong the faculty witreg to ask, ox you asked the alder girl8 in callege. %he eeniors, whea f was a fre#h- nm, seemed %o me about ae mature as anybody would ever expeat %Q be, adwe Looked up to %hem, I $811. YOU Barn8 With t.10 one to mgerviae $he girls, #Ad any of theax get in Broubl~? OLnayg BQ. 5% wm eme~%eilQ$ $0711 tbaB you would behave in ehsoe barsr, md you gene~sallydid. 36P you wen%over %he des -- .tihe~erwemi $men rule@Pn %he Uaivparaity, OJaerya na$ may, ba%tf $QM bmka 8het ~PUL@@%CJQ merb you eou1dl Be I~~XLI~~m1~1pafid&~OX Wu&$ ~g be96re~ e;t scmait%ae of t;k# %etaul%yt@ &cx:g1~yowreself. There wests geak2e ways of dieraipXSna tha4; semsd %o be f4310%&r Barns Did ~.TLYO~I~h80kCO bee that %haplaoas the girls ws~eltving weme suft~bls? Olneyt I eupgo~e%key Bid, 1 don** haw. It wauzd probably be SOB@ faouZ%yw%fe. 1 don't chink %h@e were my womea teaethers in bhe Universf ty 5n my day. I never had my, !there ass the beginning of a sox% of economics a6 welfare cowrss given -* I nmex .trosk it, though, and if warnf-b any%hinglike home ~aonodas, Baumt Ria %he boy@ have any asailnta~lotesruolz as a &@an of men might give %hfs)gt? OZney: Well, QoloneS Edwmbs, who wse %he head af the nrathe- mcalt;icer department;, ww 8 &@odfriend of alb the boy& IT@ wae very muoh intamstst$ 2r-i a%ljlelLers, in the first glaae, and he enQotarag@da%hletio~in fhe Univsr~ftyI- t;h-bfa why PdwarBs F%eZa ha$ kCs nms, !!?he bay8 ame gfrla in her own hose, 840erd of the faculty wivaar wouZ4 be there rectei.~%ng~pouring tea, and %hers woultl be ~amsof the mores prorrsiaen-b upperalaasmen for us go be int3~oduesdto, Wet frasban girls ale0 ha& a ohanoe to metel; eratoh other, %hose.t;erae ware appreci~tedl~ e mush~ ymd we4.11 a.t;tendlsQu %hen there were Emir dmeesr e yew, one f~r a&aaa. An& @&oh ball (@a@h 4auios) had a sgmta2 erne. E @mnoQrexnmtrsr: the rime 02 the frgrabe daass, but thwe warn the soph~morewhog~n%he jun%oz Hp~omenra$e, and the seaior nba13. * ~aullpt 1: it wee going up ;in ozaea oP ai@tlfi@at~loes,Whern you were 8 freabtnai wouEdl yox ~dygo .tro the fresh.. man dsklaae, err woulcl you g6 CO d3,faat?? Olney: You oould be UvtBetl fo the o*her 4mce~,bu% you were Ba~mt Ilia they dsaorads the g-7 Olneyr Oh, mars or less. Not very mush, But %hey would hire a ppof eesionaL dmos oroh~stra,and they woula have guloh -- lemona&e, you laow -- an& lfttlet o&e~ or cookies fox refresben0~. Lt wss ~exysimpls, Bawt Wege Bhsy 2armd. oc@asio#eT Obey:- Yes. The young Eaen in $hose days dtidn*.f; have dress I' the nstoarSy,Hao &hat of couree your seeort who took you fo %he dmae would aok fax one or more dataase, wd yous psgubarity waa gslaged by ths vwie3y 02 dancie~e'name@ that you ha4 on your pPogpEarar P ha nof eQ pe,reoaa & grofearsclr fros samewhem, iez the morn- %tag in &umba Qpmasriam, an8 then thea gpma~simwaa likely Ba, be die~orrerfied. Af3e.r +he! Isaf;ure Lhe~evterte refreahentrs zlad T. thlak they wem loearvebd ria%Ohera in bhes gmaaiuni, f ertzz't quite rsnmber, bu-b the Oha~.tierPay lamb warnr gtait~a aroaial aeaaaiofi, Peeople ems over Sari I?ramnatsclo, from OalrZaad and mamd, and of coarse 8% $he Pregiclexrt'~~UO~PP~&hare wae ape- oZaZ [email protected]~%,1% wse quite a bay, h.g&n on Gpmasim atnd wws dso@xa%ions, 2ham wsa the 'etuuzam~eraa#%of Qhe me4alia$, ad@%her -a s few ato %key now? Oxneyt Jo, Of ~oures,Pbe gpmaasfwn s3ood sort 0.f off by i-bseli, ad %hsss waa no glsers for a pr~be~~ion%o aaeeable exsept rt@$ %n%he gpt~~apiium.Nhetbez or OLnay$ sot $hag ever Bid aaamble ot~.f;sibea4@mah- in Bow* the2 S dEoa'L Bema to rsrnembez, A% .Oome~oame.nCDay of cowee 6ka clam all. gat down in fxon-t, X Oh&k Olneyr Pas, robse wd mcrxCmboas6ls, At quite an awl$ day %her ohp-tez-a of var%ous fztz-Ger~itfe~were es%ablishe&, an& they p1~yedquits Praterr~i.ftyhouses, %tihe way they atill. do, tanti then akromt the %be we ante~txl.oollege +here was a soror- ity eetabllahed, an& quite soon all;ttr $ha% ?ma or %bee!nom same onto the^ aaqa~, 80 %hey 88888 -to %he Comenae~en$,and my very flpplost;amz% athle-ttct day on tha aampus, a15 Chsse eoroxftiss and Prater~itias wouJ& ea-krtain 8% thei~houemi by iavftat%~n~ Ba~rDid you join a ssxority? Olneyc Yeg, f belonged Do Kappa Alpha ghsta, ELMwe had a hmaa which wa xentatb, Game of %he gLwla fposm ou% 02 WWEZlive& ixi $he hou~ee, usr re a number of' uust Olneyr who lived ontaide of Berkeley took our lunches 8% the so~orityhonse, so we were there ila the house, dl. of us, every day, We, bad a ohaperone iand Chlnesa ~ook. Baurnt Do yon think: that was an important part of your college life? Olney: It certainly wasl, %he ahapters were small, we never expected Oo have more than twenty members a% a time, and all %herest of 'my life that group of girls seemed different to me from my other group of gfrls I've ever known. There were very eloee friendships formed araong the members. The keynote of the sorority waa in-bimate friendship, qui%e8fff'erent from now when the admtnfstrat;isn wants the eororitiee to be as large as paseible for %he sake of asoornruodati~the women student;^, but ow% were meant to be small groups and wme kept so; Baumt How &Ad yau sslac8 yoax membersf Olneyt By seeret balPo-t;. Some lahemher would propoere, a girl, aud it was her busdzless to see that this girl met all %he member@ of the sorority so that %heyoould fom an opinfom. of her. As long as we were the only up st;wc atacle whatbea wa waBeBI at ,$ZPZ or. aeCI m& Lffe mL rnmimD a ,pea%deal 60 nae. !Phm %he sb;taclmts gat ug st play every ym* W~EI uaualy held ia a hell on Slrrattnek Avenue them waa a bta~5neaebutldixlg called ttXte Shaltuak Bloak, aa8 iff that$ buildSng there, wa@, cu~ousely, aul au&f%srj;umwiDh a ~%[email protected] grsaC many euent~ were held there, all sorts ai oomwn%tt$even%#,Elna whea X W~EI in crolLage the college play wdd be gtvefi there. It was gitrera by a group of [email protected];swho were intereeted in Bramatiao an& who Lib4 *Q &&. It was very, very ma'beur, hut1oO~s$ fun, -6 %ws OF $bee %he$they were SO mbitiolxer $0 give ek C+flber-badS.i;lltl%~m opesra, Pbey aEwaye went off veqy weLl u Bamr WE&@ itF r3rfaicrtily a ras%udetat affd~,Qrdad sane of tho $aouX$y pw%loipa%@T+ OUeys Well, Chs~ea%&; bea rerow UP the $OEP~~QFfaaulty 98, wese two or %&ee wornen, Boormad womn, who were csSoser Bo %he Vn%arrsi%yin one way and w0%tS12@rIa pat 0% the aaoial LiPs in the aolltags, alway~reteognizad an4 wtitloons, swla they would be ill these g5ay~oometiinies, I $hbk one8 they had an original play, but IPm wicrsxtain er,bou.t; that, Ihen picnics ware popular In those daye, an& 1 belonged t~ a g;roup -- iC wwan't orgaized in my way, bu% it was a ntmiber 02 etudents MP~QVJBP~friend#, bogs arzd girl@, and every year we were coll@gswe went QYL a picnic: on Washington's birthday, wfiidh waa a holiday, adthey were alway~back Ln the Mils hars somewhere, Abou* $he farthest we ever got was to a gopu- la pianio reareation g~aund,oalleti Laundry Farm. It had soma Ms%~ricuse that gave i$ -the #me of NLauadryftwh9oh E 've forgotten, but it was a amyon in the hilla back 05 ~%~LJBC~oll.eg@, atid th@~eww a little railroad that ran up to iD and anybody BQ~X~ use the gPoan& who ~pgLied+OE if YOU were jwt a smaLL O b ~ rgrow you, could jast go wail piok ou8 a glaoeb There ra. P ~6r.81~bka6 rern bhrough the bobtea DEthe am- yon, puitic a a*~ew,an8 yclt wuZd wade in it an8 there were nioe fbti p3aoersr mdm watdllawer mil alde~e, Grerree of that natw~,%ha% war?@pleaslmt for gicnio~a, AftercroarCErs weCd plq gmea tmd $us% have a good %he, what$ you do a% a pionict, Baumt Was Oh$& plaae privately or pub2iuly owned? 0Znsg.s Sem$.-publi~. It owned by a $rap of =em; or BU~Q t~ompmy;I don't haw what, It waa faneed in, bu% the l3.tt;le train 60 man right up and you got; off the train into the grounds imeb9~iteky, There was no showing of tioket~or aay-bhing, 0lrteyo No, It waa open to use, and In thosa dsya %hered%dna4 eaem 96 be arzy vwda~, 1 do&'$ how bow it was kep% olean, but 2% always waa picked upl adthere were txaeh am@ s%aading mmd* Bamt Haybe +hey rna%aat;aaberdit fro= *he? xai1road P~B@Iu@~~' Qlneyo Maybe, 1 don't knaa, Ihn, igt my dqBen [email protected]%e&%e~warsr dliazac oovsred and deveLoped* wd thalT~where the @reek TheaGer QUeyo ia m0wr BM We& wtm one OF Zff&dUag ~hta?ao%er~ in tb pam ma of '94, md tbxer wisla at% eom@nament $fimtcer a Sie~ioaDay* XB was aot en 8~mtieac3emenbbay W8 8W0 $IW@8 da~f~ret.~3,f as! %hmtheat, ~4 aihe ~@nioxsgave taa enQeztdnaaen%ad I tMnk 5% waa open do aqybocly wElCb wm$e4 %Q aasae, 2hers was no glraoa iu8aoxei .t;o I~QUit -- 9% was pPctnio srttyle myway -- so %hey used %a find a pJas@3x1 the taizlsr ta have 5%. Barn Wee&, wdlkeng %boaghBhe eu0eklyp~[4grove -- Qhe %~seawax~quite mall iyl those &aye -- found tUo in the Mll though% %o biaself, *Well, now, people earn sk-k aua %ha g??~undhers and 9% will be like tan ampBfbbsaterbM So tlzs alaso a$ '94 klad the93 elass day %nDhat tmpUt;heater, and i% waa BUG& a maces$ %ha% 90s se~eaab9gear&$8 wsh~ known 8s Ben Weedl8 atqlt23t8hrea-&erc Phen &s. hem^$ 533. her genex- oefty felt f;ha.b there oqh% Oa be sbme%hiag s little more ~o~&o~fableto ait oxk $hm %he grow&, and @be p@~auslPtalhex on $0 Wi3~%he 82ee.k !lhea%.ear. It; wa8 buill? ~Qht%here, $hem had been a good many [email protected]%ustree8 O~BB~:pLaa3erB on the leericerley Bill@ by whew X don't; -PIT, aid they wesls sBilT saataXl QI.POU@ d@ hwe the par Ielave~%ha$ yomg a20&yp%a0 dzwa have, ma 1mg6 enwag]% 80 make rtt good aha4a 202 paopla to st% m8Lcm. B%J; Z tkhk %he$ wem pw%l$ put them aa part sf the w&ea aoasemat$ican, ee -&ha ;~&Znemuldn'.t a11 ma 02% buf would sink in ta %heroo%a 09 %he tre61~ imd the ground woultl no$ be wa~hrsdt away, Bam~ Ben Weed muod have been proud of Um#elf, Olneyo Well, 3, think ha ri@t;ly was, Ben Weed nae quite sk leader, Be had a goad &e&X of &sagination, Baums Wero there o%$ex &amhll& beaiae this ann82d drama %hat tihe studen%o pul an? Oheyr !&a elas@of '94 was a Vex$ r@mmhbl8elms, qwiCa oaztgefiidlr lhey bid $henga toge%herd 9hey hd son@ nearr-geniuaars in the aLas~anSL they wr~aed to have evea3ag ptartieer by themaeltreaer -- dont%bow %hatthe efitllxer slaslar ww fnolude8, bat 8 large group of *hen used to meet togs0kae~a% ~omebody'~ho'txas, ant3 $hey wauI.4 give playe, urnally oz%ginaX, %hegr'dhw~ a@=@~eMhngrilor a 118%1rsanizeia, Zlb~r#wsa &ever Obaeyt ranah a~mrrf~La dhe BZL~BQZB~t~ In xuy ha-ti %Me OL~EQ woU14 have k&& 02 a W~EZSW, %ha b08'k4a1 would sema ref~~~&eps,.tta,of oarrere, 9%etyCBhave a tae tog@bh;sr. Baa; Tow elas@ w&~n*tquite thab uxep~ti~e%' Olneyt Our clam wa@en81xeLy differen%. We wepa individudi~ta, Ve tried having renuien~after gradua%ion, E think there were one ar two, bu.b haz+dlymyiaoily ome. Pinally when GUT twenfy*fiPth arwivesasuly oacurrsd HxI Prazik String- ham, who aaer %hen maygr 02 Berkeley -* he Xivsd rig&% up here, on ThtngZewsode Bod -- he 8nd his wife iri-vited us to lath at; Zrheix ho~@@,%he who1a alatara of '95, I@Pte;~fshad been a hmdred of US maduatiag, 1 suppose %hat fifty or elxty cram@ .f;o %MareunSolz, an& go;ia hear& s~erybo8ysqyiag, #Why, X don2% senmnbez that we were aa nfoe we matw Orl RXtm~wpri6eclPo fina so-and~eo so iatexeeiiingrw Well, we kwl t& Lovely %in@,just a soaSal lwak pardbyPD was, So we had s fUx$%ethamiverffwy, ma W~O@V~F the canua%tl@ewere w@~&B~rutm% enough t~ tiry to rage&%whaD tbs $$ringbaa had clan@, We wen% &own %o the G1mmon-b Qomtry Qlub ad rent;e-d a mom %heare, OBmyr By that %he one af raembexs, ~arveyCorbe%f, had bectom a very diatingutshed #@M4;@sBin Xcaw YQF~but his faaxL2y live8 fa Beta &m@iei~v, 3 ilonlt bow whether lu just happened out hepa his work in New York, Well, it wa@at %he begin- ning of %be aaky~orwperbuilding Ohere, mdt he had put up &one &ildiAgst atla he gave us a very interesting %bbLk about %he i8ea of We skyscraper -- the natural limdtations of it stnd what they had to Look 8u% fox, They had to bave ram enough to cmxy pmpLs up an8 down and at %he same time they couldn't afford to devote too much gpaoe to the elevators or else they wol;zldnt%have XOQB for the offices Zrz the office buildings, Then we had refrssben9a sewed by tihe olub and we had a very good tine, When it @me to our: fiftieth amiver~arywe met at the Woaetlisr bolZege Club hrspe in Be~keley,mdt one of star number b&a beoone a very fmous medical phpieist , f guees yout4 eall hfaP, in 8t. LottSrs. We hvi.bad him to caw out ad tell us about his work, and tha* OCO~B~O~went off very well* Of somse, by QUF fff%fef;h&V~Z?S- omPI'LU&~@XB h8d dtdndled, and 1 reamber eta& geman was mppo@e&Cs rbe md -&ellwhere they lfvea mid what they dfid, and any- thing they wanted to tiell about thmaelverts, Briefly, ea that put ue in osriCaa+i wZ$h each other, After %hatwe didn't do so well; I don't think. I've ever been to more thm ane clas~sreunion since. We sort of broke up an8 disappeared. Of course there are not so very many of ua left now. Did the class of '94 have many reunions? I doant how about %hat, SOWabout oampus publicat%one ? There was-a magazine of some, kind, wMeh I doraft remember. 9here wasn't anythiag that was very pro- mbent. X know these was a U~iversitymagazine from very early tines, the Ouoiderrt, wasn't it? The Oeei.datztJnow is a litsraxy magazine. This Is what %he Qc~identww; I think i% waa a moEldbly, or a quarterly, We u~edto buy it, LhaLts all I vemeinbe~about it, There were some poeta in the University, and %here were always a few poem8 m6 lams Were aany rstt%aefitgrouper darva8d $s a apwieil mbjsa0, like a poetry group or a mus.ie OP philotimphy g~oup? Olneyt That I d~nrtknow, E have an Idea that %he philoeophy sltutients did have some Wncl of meting un8e~Psofers~~or George Howison, but I never took a. cot2rss in philosophy. I'm stme, oone to thtnk of it, that there was a li%tle soaiety sf philosophy shxlent~. Bm: Your ~loxorltyprobably filled the place fox you thaO for some other students was filled by a ahdy group, Olney: Yes, and then 1 had my home life. I ~enta great Bedl wftsh my father and mother %o fmy homes where we were invited in Oaklmdl and Piedmont and 8an Frmaiebo, and l!da%he~always required me to keep up my outside friend- ohfpa and not conoantrate everything on the University. So I hadl that. Bm: DiB she have a speoia3, reason for %ha%? Olneyo Well, she felt %hatthe, University Life would eome to end and I ought to be making fxfad1 f~rmy middle age. &d she liked to have me go with her and my fat he^, f was tnvited a @?eat deal to lovely plaaes, Olney: where we, met intmest;fng people, ad juere ntoe people. Bast St& read that there were sororSties on ampus m8 ;also c2ubs, apparently rshilm $0 sororities asd fra*erni- tfes, Phis may have been after your thsr Were *here ctlubsr? OLney t There were boarding houses, several here in Berkeley, mn by some one woman, Usually she was a person sf ckaraotar and rather interesting. f think she wm trailed a how~lemother, A fea of those were very privi- leged groups to belong to; you had to be chosen -- she wnrauldntt taka evsqbody who erne alo~g-- nnd you had to have good xafe~enaesand she had to like your looks before she wov-ld t&e you in. They were almost like saroxlt3.ea. There was quite a strong house-spirit among them. Bamt These were for boarding, ax for living also? 019eyz For living. They were for girle away from home. Bpmt E wanted to ask you where the girls lived, if moer-1; of thm lived away from hone. Olneyr A pea9 rimy of them 15vd in San Francisco an8 came over every day-, and of oonrse thoae of UB who livd in Olney: Oakland oould come out an the -- well, when I was a fpeghman tihe elsetrio ca~line wa@ put in be&veei% OakLm& and Berkeley. 1% erne ouf 2elegraph Avenue and took about hR'l.fi aa how. Bamr Was %here still the sme p~oblemof not bejslg able to ge'k hme 1b0' o~oQ~'? Olneyt Xo. By that time the street~ass, the electric cars ran, ~b,up to midnight, f guess. I remember going to a ywty in kLameda onoe at a private hone, and we missed the last streetcar (horse-dram then) back from Alameda $0 O&lwd, so we had to walk. It llad been raini~lg,it wag1 quite mddy underfoot, and so we started stringing out single-file and walked in the path which the horse had worn with his hoofs. We ultimately got home to Oakland, but It was about -two in the mornhg. Bawr: YOUP mother must have been terribly worried, Olney: Well., they knew we were a reliable bunch, but of course they did wonder where we wese. But f;hatte the only 'time I remember when we had to walk kame. %Ben we vfere; invited to parties we expec%edlto go an %he streetear, and parit aE our par%y equipment was om OUeyr pw$y bmg; %hatwee@ a ba& &e of lailk ore satitn @rsoae ~tmma8mial with es dxratwae81?i~g, atad re won141 6mry our evmg alippetrs9 la %& and wear good atsut shws beomisre we attght have %s walk ~sretresalbloak~%a%he srtreetaa~.. %hen when we $oS 60 the plaae where %he danoe or party, wals %a be held we'd a11 go to the dress- ing room ad take off our she~sand put on our party slippessr. That waa a aeaerPrsary part of our wmdrabe, a-nice paxty bag, &d we used to carny fan@,fa those days, We woul8 get bofi darmaing, and our fans want en- to oar party bags too, &It mas% of us didn't use powder, and nobody used lips-kfak, ao the party bag aidntt have to oontain a peat deal, Baurnt Semebodr mentioned to me %he freshman rushes where the sophomo~eand freshman man would fight -- Obeys Oh. Well, they had bee~pretty well. quelled by my the, or they dfdn't mount to very muoh, I guess, No, it was after my time that they beoms reaZLy 8angexoua and one or two ~tudentswere actually maimed, and %he faculty same down hm(% on %ha%. They fount3 Ohe instiga- %or@ sr the leaders and expelled them froa sollege, svLd OUeyt .tihey etmqed m~hLngout pretty ~oon, BuE there had been the fn8%itu$ion of' the fre~hmcul-sophonoreru.8h. Bamr mt was the point 03 It? They were trying to win a battle --t Qf.nert The aeaiars wore blaok silk hatat. they were oalled %enior You didn't hme to wear them but if you had money enough or relatives who had ailk hats so that you eould bag one,. you like4 to wear them, and they were adorned with all sorts of painting and letter- ing ad the numerzl of your claas, aad your fraternity if you belonged to one,and then any decoration that might take your fancy. Those senior plugs were sacred. The junioxt's wore hats the same ahape, Inat they were gray felt, and they were decorated in like manner. And what did the sophomores wear? I don't remember, but if;was something tha freshmen ueea %o try to get away from them. Eobody mch %oacrhed the senior plugs or the jmlar hats, but the soph~moreheadgear, what- eves 1% was, was open to attaok, and that would alway~ be the bmka of a rush, !Phe freshen would gather in a group, andl if thexe was a group of sophaaores my- where! theytti m~ha% th-, Boak thea Bow, and steal their ha%a and go off ~5th%hem. la;aunr Did %he gSrls hvo my-&h%ngto dl~tingisfsh%heir elaes* mything they wore? Obey: Sot that Z remember, 2?he girl^ were pretty good fpiends, from 61&3sl ta ~la~~r Baum? How about footba2lT Olneyr Well, foot;ball rea31y began abou.t: my tiae or after, The big game alwaya wed to be in Ban brancis~o,and the Un%versfty of Calf fornfa played vax&ous tci~ams, but football didnqf;amount to much. Tmck wae the big athletic went, and the m~erewere very popu- lar in %he Uni'sex~ity. ?he traok waer down in the euoalyptu~grove -- 1 peepla itfa gone mow -- toward 0xfor8 Street. The laad was flat there and they put in quite ta goo4 xuvlning couroe, with bleachera on $he side, and when they would have een a%ihletit?rday people aJ.1 over Berkeley would entertain at lunah and then go over to the traak and wa%ohthe perfomanoe. That ws~quife e~nma%. t Baumz 86 %hatwas the thing everyone ~rra~interested in, ra-t;ker than football. Olney: Yes, Toward the end of my douree football began to get iaportant, eznd in those daya everyone Itnew all the Olneyr football players pewonally. We hew them at our dmces an6 fra-kemfty m& s.orority p=%i es sail. in om elasses+ %haywere a11 om friends, BO if any- body was bud there was s gasp from the audience. Baumz Sou sad you'd me* Prank Iforri~, Olneyr He waB in the okasa of C94, one 09 the group 1 besaribea, and he always seemed a little different; from the ordinary sfiUdat. He was not hail-fallow- well-met, but in his group he evidently was very de- lightful and outgiving. I knew him to bow to; we always greeted eaoh other when we met, but my chief re~alle~tionof hfm is when sftting in the library, Downstt;airs there was one big room set aside fox studenfs and you eoula go and get a book and then bring it to this room and sit and study, He would often have a ahair 511 %he corner and his book open in front of him, hut his eyea were fixed on all the differ- ent students aroma the room. He was studying the students. Be was alwaye interested in people from aya observert@s&andgojlnt, evidently. He was not a noisy parson at dl, but he belonged to the class of '94 and Olneyt he wa~in all %heir partiefa and playa and aU %he thing&they uaeQ to 40 .t;o$ettherr bamt WSB he we3.l liked by h3.n elarsamaterra? Qlnayr X believe so6 Those w'bo Ir;mew hba ~~ertamfesdfo like him, Bam: Bid you Zrnow Newel Perry, &he blind ~stazdenf;?@I think he was in %he olam of '96, Be was the fixsf blind ~tudentthat ever st$onded osllege. Olnay: I: was chinking of him in ~onnoetioawith Professor Joets geolagy featurels, Wars tbkt hie nme? He lived liaed with a family, alwaya, but he very soon 1ea;pneQ his my wound Berkelety and around the campus, ma he always walked aC top speed, when he wasn't running. We would ju~tgaap, but he almost never fell,. I be- lieve that one night he wzw on tihe caxllpus alone an8 he did fall into some ditch or something of that kind, but he wae aromd Bhe next day. Es aldnned Ms fore- hsd or eomethfng, 1 xemembex hZa oofing into Frofessor doe's geo- logy class ju~la minute late, and tihe satat.@ in this .:tDr, Newel Perx.'~~gbp, Rewe1 Perry and %Be CalifornLa Qoueil for %he BLind,, 1936, Pegional krf%a.ral Eiatory BPOjes%, Obey: leatwe roon were not as uniform as they should have been an& there were two or thz?er seats tb% were puO in at an imegu3m angle and 811 of uas had ta be ra%her aarefal aa we passe4 thems Well, %his particma Zar day Nr. Perry ome dashing inBo the EQO~and ran -- you had $0 go wpsst;a%refrm the door fo get to the t~paf thi~amphZthea%ex md then you took your seat wherever you could find it by going down -- Be ran all the way up these s%adrsto the tog and then prectfaally ran down these stairs and found a sea%, Well, the whole olasa gasped, frightened to death, but he seemed to have an intuition that made him just as good as any of ua. Then he had someone who read $he reading to him, and there were some books in Braille, but very few. I doubt if ever he used them. He had a special student who did hia reading for him. He wals quite a figure on the campus. Baum: Re said he'd been in the freshman-sophomore rushe~. Ztls hard for me to imagine. Olneyr I never knew that. Re didnqt aone to partisa or mingle with *he girls aO all, He just deevatsd bimself to ratudy, as Z remember. His family ltved around here Olrzey: rsonewhere and f belime aery were people of memer, so that he hd all $he help andl evepy a~ai~Canee%ha$ he neerdesd. B-: Wellc we've comet Bo the end of omtaps and our time. Thank ~QUvery muah, 1Vfrsr Olnsy, fOX a delightful picture of life at the University and in old 0aklmd and Be~keley. Trm~o~ibedt L .W .. Typed t L.V. BwnarB, Nellie, 79-80 Qhinra~etFn Bay boa, 43, 5Q, 51, 56-58 OhrSatm~~tl,&aura, 81 CXt~~~~htaieaBL 6@@%#4,22 fi, 96-37 Oarb~tt,H-B~, 155 EdwMia, Oalonel, 145. 3irs-k bongreg&%fonalChuxoh of Oakland, 22, 25, 27 Garfield, 3amea A., 91, 93, 94, 95, 3.04 Gayby, Charleg IlflP~,129 Ghfr~ell~aoQf@e shop, 35, 53-54 Grant, ULysae~S., 92-92 Gul5.d~~Sidn&y, 77-78 Hayea, &atherford B., 91, 93 HeaeQ, Phoebe Appeslrson, 123-124, 152 Bowfaon, George, 157 Eu%uhings, Janaea Hason, 106-110 Jordan, Bavid St-, 140 Kind exg~~~~tens,77 ff . EeConte, wPr~fessorJoe,w 122, 125, 129, 164-165 EeConte, John, 125, 153-254 Moses, Profe~sorB., 144 l!IcChesney, J .B., 7, 85, 87 MaLaan, Dr. John Rizax, 1-8, 18-22, 104-120 UcLem, Sarah Pa-1;ilda Hawley, 9-17 Barrle, Frank, 163 PaLaos Hotel, 42 Perry, Newel, 164-166 Rtchmdson, Leon, 97 130-131 Sather, Peder, 29 Sohools: Piss P1eldvsSerhool, 84; MopkEna Academy, 84; HfUta~yAcadleqy, 841 OaUeand High balrool, 89-90) Sackett Sohool, 84; Snsll Seainwy, 85-84, 88-89. Sill, Hwmd B~wZmd, 99-100 Stringham, Frank, 154 Univer#j,By of Balifsxnia, Wlfftngat, 121-127 Efniver~ity aaliforri5a, QharketrDw, 146 Uuivex?stlty af OalSPom$a, @;reek%heater, 151-159 Vrtlver~ldyof Califernia, pxetttidats r Dadd Preimoiit B&PIFY)WB~135-157~WiWZm Wa.lLme Cmipberll, 137) Homiwe B~VZB,1543 Hemy Dursuat, 3-35; 1Daai.el Ooit G i ~ 139-134;, Edward H63-den, 134; Mmtin Kellogg, 22-23, 1QO-101, 105, 134~1353 Soh hQon€s,125, 139-1543 VP2Eliam T. Reid, 134; Robert BorBon Sproul, 1543 Benjanafn Ide Wheeler, 135; Samuel EopMns Willey, 133, Ud.vemity of Galifozmia, ~tudantmt5vities, 138-166 Weed, Ben, 15L-153 WiUrinson, Haud, 97 Wilkfnson, Wa~ring, 97-98