1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-· ·iio·usE 10465 Mr. McFARLAND. Mr. President, I amendment, the Committee shall rise and ask that the President be immediately ·HOUSE' OF REPRESENTATIVES report the joint resolution to the House With notified of all nominations confirmed such amendments as may have been adopted TUESDAY, AUGUST 21, 1951 and the previous question shall be considered today, as ordered on the joint resolution and The PRESIDING OFFICER. With­ Tlie House met at 12 o'clock noon. amendments thereto to final passage with­ out objection, the President will be im­ The Chaplain, Rev. Bernard Bras­ out intervening motion except one motion mediately notified of all nominations kamp, D. D., offered the fallowing to recommit. confirmed today. prayer: DEFENSE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY RECESS o Thou who dost preside over the FACILITIES Mr. McFARLAND. I ·move that the destinies of men and nations, we ear.. Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I call up Senate stand in recess until 12 o'clock nestly beseech Thee to bestow the bless .. the conference report on the bill of the House num­ Isador Lubin, of New York, United States agreeing votes of the two Houses on the bered l, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, representative on the United Nations Eco­ amendments of the House to the bill 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, nomic and Social Council, to serve concur­ (S. 349) entitled "An act to assist the 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 40, 42, 43, 45, 46, l'.3, 49, and rently and without additional compensation provision of housing and community fa­ 50 and agree to the same. as the representative of the United States Amendment numbered 2: That the Sen­ of America on the Advisory Committee to cilities and services required in connec .. tion with the national defense." ate recede from its disagreement to the the Agent General of the United Nations amendment of the House numbered 2, and Korean Reconstruction Agency. The message also announced that the agree to the same with an amendment, as DIPLOMATIC AND FOREIGN. SERVICE Vice President has appointed Mr. JOHN­ follows.: In lieu of the matter proposed to be Waldemar J. Gallman, of New York, to be STON of South Carolina and Mr. LANGER inserted by the House amendment insert the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipoten­ members of the joint select committee fl llowing: "and printed in the Federal Reg­ tiary of the United States of America to the on the part of the Senate, as provided ister"; and the HoU&e agree to the same. Union of South Africa. for in the act of August 5, 1939, entitled Amendment numbered 3: That the Sen­ "An act to provide for the disposition ate recede from its disagreement to the To be consul general of the United States of amendment of the House numbered 3, and America of certain records of the United States agree to the same with an amendment, as Harold Sims. Government," for the disposition of ex­ follows: In lieu of the matter proposed to ecutive papers referred to in the report To be Foreign Service officer of class 3, a be inserted by the House amendment insert consul, and a secretary in the diplomatic of the Archivist of the United States the following: service of the United States of America _numbered 52-5. (b) second, residential credit restrictions TEMPORARY APPROPRIATIONS FOR 'IHE under the Defense Production Act of 1950, D. Eugene Delgado-Artas. as amended, ( 1) as to housing to be sold FISCAL YEAR 1952 To be Foreign Service officers of class 4, at $12,000 or less per unit or to be rented consuls, and secretaries in the diplomatic Mr. SMITH of Virginia, from the at $85 or less per unit per month, shall be service of the United States of America Committee on Rules, reported the fol .. suspended with respect to the number and Julian P. Fromer. lowing resolution

1951 CONGRESSIONAL. RECORD-HOUSE 10467• the sales prices or rentals which the Presi­ the actual amounts paid for labor and ma­ sions relating to the acquisition of real prop­ dent determines to be needed in such area terials and necessary services in connection erty under title III and title IV, and to the for defense workers or military personnel therewith. 'Le House amendment No. 11 return of such property to the original owner and that as to all other housing, residential did not contain these enumerated provisions in certain cases, which provisions are sub­ credit restrictions shall be relaxed in such of .the Senate certification requirement. The stantially similar to those recently included manner and to such extent as the President committee of conference retained the House in the Defense Production Act amendments determines to be necessary and appropriate amendment with an amendment adding the of 1951. The Senate recedes, with a techni­ t') obtain the production of the proper hous­ Senate requirement with respect to the man­ cal amendment changing the date "June 30, i:ag. It is the understanding of the com­ ner in which the Federal .Housing Commis­ 1952", in the provision relating to the re­ mittee of conference that "types" as so used sioner shall construe the term "actual cost." turn of property, to "June 30, 1953", to con­ refers to rental and sales units and the num­ With respect to this certification provision, form with the termination dates provided ber of bedrooms contained therein; it does the conference report did not require the elsewhere in the bill. not refer to architectural types. certification to be made "under oath", as Amendments Nos. 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31: Amendment No. 4: The Senate bill pro­ did the Senate bill, as such requirement is These amendments all related to the defini­ vided that permanent housing should not not necessary in view of the fact that the tions of community facilities and services be constructed by the Federal Government certification is made to the Government and contained in title III. Their combined effect under Title III except to the extent that pri­ the criminal statutes pertaining to false was to limit the authority of title III with vate builders or eligible mortgagees have certifications are applicable to the certifi­ respect to community facilities and services not indicated through bona fide applica­ cation required in this instance. to those particular types of facilities and tions (which are eligible for approval) for In order that the Federal Housing Com­ services specified in the bill; to strike out exceptions fro~ residential credit restric­ missioner may be able to check on compli­ all such authority with resp-ect to schools; tions or for mortgage insurance or guaranty ance with this certification provision it will and to add authority with respect to police that they will provide the needed housing. of course be necessary that the mortgagor protection facilities and libraries. The Sen­ The House amendment struck out the phrase keep and maintain adequate cost records and ate recedes. The agreement to strike out au­ "(which are eligible for approval)." The make them available to the Commissioner. thority with respect to schools was reached Senate recedes with an amendment which - It is the intention of the committee of con­ after the committee of conference had been inserts in lieu of the stricken phrase the ference that the Commissioner issue regu­ advised that the House Committee on Edu­ "following: "(which meet the requirements lations necessary to carry out the certifica­ cation and Labor will consider amendments as to types, rentals or sales prices, and gen­ tion provisions. to Public Law 815 of the 81st Congress in eral locations)." It is also the intention of the committee · order to meet the need for school construc­ Amendment No. 8: This amendment would of conference that in estimating the value tion in critical defense housing areas, and - authorize FHA insurance under section 903 of property or projects under sections 903 that staff work on such amendments has of the National Housing Act on mortgages and 908 of the proposed new title IX of the already begun. having a maturity of not more than 30 years, National Housing Act, the Federal Housing Amendment No. 32: This amendment de­ r itther than 25 years, as provided by the Sen­ Commissioner shall exercise the greatest fines the term "national defense". The Sen­ ate bill. The Senate recedes. care to assure that such estimates will not ate recedes. It is the understanding of the Amendments Nos. 9 and 11: Both the Sen­ result in excessive valuations. committee of conference that the definition ate bill and the bill a.s amended by the Amendment No. 13. This amendment pro­ of national defense will include, but is not House contained provisions requiring, in con­ vided that preference should be .given to limited to, the items listed on pages 25 and nection with mortgages insured under the applications for insurance under the pro­ 26 of the Senate report on S. 349. proposed new title IX of the National Hous­ posed new title IX of the National Housing Amendment No. 36: This amendment pro­ ing Act, that the mortgagor certify upon Act to mortgages covering housing of lower vided that all functions under title III and completion of the physical improvements rents. The Senate recedes. section 103 with respect to l].ealth, refuse ou the mortgaged property the amount, if Amendments Nos. 14 and 15: The Senate disposal, sewage treatment, and water puri­ any, by which the proceeds of·the mortgage bill provided that permanent housing si1ould fication should be exercised by the Surgeon loan exceeded the actual cost of the physical be constructed under title III only in iso­ General. The Senate recedes, with an improvements, and to pay within 60 days lated or relatively isolated areas. The House amendment which provides that the Surgeon after such certification to the mortgagee for amendments would authorize the construc­ General may delegate to any other Federal application to the reduction of the principal tion of permanent housing under title III agency any of those functions, so far as they amount of the mortgage the amount so certi­ in any critical defense area, so long as the , relate to construction. fied to be in excess of such actual cost. The requirements of section 101, as well as the Amendment No. 38: The Senate bill con­ Senate bill required the certification to be other applicable requirements of titles I and tained a provision which, subject to condi­ made with respect to mortgages insured un­ III, are met. The Senate recedes. tions prescribed by the Housing and Home der the proposed new section 903 as well as Amendment No. 16: This amendment pro­ Fint1.nce Administrator, would have exempted mortgages insured under the proposed new vided that, wherever consistent with other from credit restrictions loans on lower-cost section 908. House amendment No. 9 de­ requirements of national defense, permanent homes made to veterans employed in defense leted the certification requirement with re­ housing constructed under title III should plants in critical defense housing areas. spect to mortgages insured under the pro­ consist of one- to four-family dwelling struc­ The House amendment struck out the posed section 903, which section provides for tures so arranged that they may be offered for above provision of the Senate bill and in­ the insurance of one and two family housing separate sale. The Senate recedes. serted a provision which prohibited the re­ units, because of the fact, among other Amendment No. 17: The Senate bill, after quirement under section 605 of the Defense things, that the certification provision would providing for the eventual sale bf perma­ Production Act of a down payment exceeding not be administratively workable on this nent housing constructed under title III, 6 percent in connection with a loan guaran­ type of construction especially since the provided that all such permanent dwellings teed by the Veterans' Administration on a. mortgagor in many cases would not be the designed for occupancy by not more than home costing $12,000 or less in any area, builder of the units. The Senate receded four families should, wherever feasible, be including a critical defense housing area. on amendment No. 9. offered for separate sale. The House amend­ The House amendment also provided that With respect to the certification require­ ment struck out the phrase "wherever feasi­ with respect to other home loans not more ment under the proposed new section 908 _the ble." The amendment, as agreed to by the than 10 percent down payment could be Senate provision required (1) that the cer­ committee of conference, provides that all required under regulations issued pursuant tification be made under oath, (2) that the sucl;l dwellings shall be offered for sale, with­ to sections 602 and 605 of the Defense Pro­ profit of the prime contractor be excluded out specifying that they shall be offered for­ duction Act in the case of homes costing in computing the cost of the physical im­ separate sale; so that even .though it may $10,000 or less, nor more than 20 percent provements, (3) that the mortgagor require not always be feasible to offer a dwelling for down payment in the case of homes costing each principal contractor to keep available separate sale, it must nevertheless be sold. $12,000 or less. The House amendment fur­ for a period of two years the records of his Amendment No. 24: This amendment pro­ ther provided that in the case of loans for actual costs, expenses and charges and keep virl.ed that housing or community facilities which credit restrictions were thus relaxed available for a simil~r period an invoices constructed under title III should conform . the term of any such loan shall not be re­ from subcontractors and architects and rec­ to State and local laws, ordinances, rules, or quired to be less than 25 years. ords of actual disbursements to said sub­ regulations relating to health and sanitation, The Senate recedes with an amendment contractors and architects, all such records and to the maximum extent practicable, tak­ which makes the following changes in the to be submitted for inspection to the Com­ ing into consideration the availability of ma­ House provision. With respect to veterans• missioner, and (4) that the Commissioner terials and the reqUirements of the national home loans guaranteed under the GI Bill of construe the term "actual cost" in such a defense, permanent housing or community Rights where the sales price does not exceed -manner as to exclude all kickbacks, rebates facilities so constructed should conform to $7,000, the down payment shall not exceed 4 and normal trade discounts received in con­ State or local laws, ordinances, rules, or percent; where the sales price exceeds $7,000 nection with the construction of the said regulations relating to building codes. The but does not exceed $10,000, the down pay- physical improvements, and to include only amendment also wrote into the bill provi- , ment s~all not exceed 6 percent; and where 10468 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE AUGUST 21 the sales price exceeds $10,000 but does not whereas the House amendment provided for The committee of conference also desires exceed $12,000, the down payment shall not a termination date of March 1, 1952. that the commitment period allowed be held exceed 8 percent. The Senate amendment With respect to the exercise of this com· to an appropriate minimum period of time also made these relaxations applicable to the mitment authority, the committee of con­ in order that the use of the commitment direct home loan program of the Veterans' ference wishes to emphasize that it expects authority will accelerate the actual produc­ Administration. In the case of other home appropriate regulations will be issued to pre­ tion of housing accommodations of the type loans no more than 10 percent down pay­ vent the abuses of the commitment au. for which commitments may be obtained. ment shall be required where the transaction thority that existed previously when com­ Amendment No. 47: Section 501 (b) of price does not exceed $7,000; no more than 15 mitments for the purchase of mortgages the Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, percent down payment shall be required were permitted. It is recalled that the Hous­ as added by the Housing Act of 1950, provides where the transaction price exceeds $7,000 ing Act of 1950, Public Law 475, Eighty-first for a guaranty of up to $7,500 in connection but does not exceed $10,000; and no more Congress, approved April 20, 1950, added a with veterans' home loans, but only for than 20 percent down payment shall be re­ new subsection (G) to section 301 (a) (1) of veterans who have not previously availed quired where the transaction price exceeds the National Housing Act providing, "The themselves of any of the benefits of title III $10,000 but does not exceed $12,000. Association after the effective date of this of that Act (which include home loans, Amendment No. 39: This amendment subparagraph may contract to purchase only business loans, and farm loans). The amends the Lanham Act in two respects. those eligible mortgages which are guar· House amendment was designed to permit Lrst, it repeals two provisos which are now anteed or insured at the time of the con­ a veteran who had obtained a business or·· obsolete and conflict with certain provisions tract." This prohibition on commitment farm loan under the Act, or who had ob­ contained in the recent extension of the authority for the purchase of mortgages was tained a home loan under the Act to pur­ Housing and Rent Act of 1947. Second, it adopted at that time because of the abuses chase or build a home before the more liberal requires, upon applicati-n of the owner, that were being made of the commitment provisions of section 501 (b) were enacted, to additional increases in rentals paid by the authority by certain mortgage financing in­ obtain a guaranty under section 501 (b), re-. Federal Government for the use of land stitutions. This general prohibition still duced by whatever amount his guaranty acquired for housing under. that Act, of 100 remains in the Act but as noted above would entitlement was chargeable with on account percent of the presen"; authorized rental be modified with respect to the three types of the benefit he had previously obtained. payments. The Senate recedes with a clari­ of housing indicated and to the extent of The Senate recedes, with an amendment of fying amendment. the limitations imposed. a technical and clarifying nature. In providing for a secondary mortgage Amendment No. 41: This amendment market through the Federal National Mort­ ATOMIC ENERGY AND OTHER FEDERAL added a new section 612 to the Lanham Act gage Association· the Congress intended that INSTALLATIONS authorizing the Housing and Home Finance the Government should in necessary cases The attention of the committee of con­ Administrator, in order to assure the maxi­ supply a secondary source of home mortgage mum utilization of Lanham housing for de­ ference was called to the fact th·e provisions credit but there was no intention that the of the bill, particularly section 103 (c), fense purposes, to establish income limita­ Government should supply a primary, or di­ tions for occupancy of ar,.y such housing might be construed to affect the existing rect, source of mortgage credit. Prior to authority of the Atomic Ern~rgy Commis­ under his jurisdiction, and, giving considera­ the 1950 ban on commitment authority, cer­ tion to the ability of tenants to obtain other sion under ~he Atomic Energy Act of 1946 tain mortgage lending institutions in fact with respect to providing housing, services housing accommodations, to require tenants used it as an almost unlimited line of credit admitted to occupancy prior to the establish­ and facilities at Atomic Energy installations. with a $2¥2 billion Government corporation The committee of conference is in complete ment of such income limitations and who to obtain mortgage lending funds. It en­ have incomes in excess thereof, to vacate. agreement that no provision of the bill is abled such lending institutions to do a vol­ to be construed to affect the existing author. The Senate bill contained no similar provi­ ume of mortgage financing far in excess of sion. The conference report contains this ity of the Atomic Energy Commission or that which would be permitted by their own any other Federal agency to provide, main· provision with .an amendment permitting assets and in some cases appears to have the establishment of such income limita­ tain, or operate housing or commun:.ty facili· been done purely for the purpose of build­ ties or services. tions with respect to all Lanham housing ing up a volume of servicing fees amounting and not just those units available for de­ BRENT SPENCE, to one-half of one percent of the mortgage PAUL BROWN, fense purposes. and to obtain the commission on hazard Amendment No. 42: Both the Senate bill WRIGHT PATMAN, insurance provided to cover the mortgaged ALBERT RAINS, and the bill as amended by the House pro­ property. In other instances it appeared vided for an increase of $1,500,000,000 in the that certain large financing institutions ob­ JESSE P. WOLCOTT, insurance authorization of the various titles tained commitments running into the mil­ RALPH A. GAMBLE, (except title VI) of the National Housing ALBERT M. COLE, lions of dollars as a hedge for changing in­ Managers on the Part of the House. Act. The Senate bill limited the use of the terest rates. These practices are wrong and increase to mortgage insurance with respect the committee of conference does not wish to housing in critical defense housing areas. to see them repeated. Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I move The amendment of the House struck out this Under the provisions of section 301 (a) the previous question. limitation. The Senate recedes from its dis­ (1) of the National Housing Act, the Associa­ The previous question was ordered. agreement to the House amendment. The tion may charge a deposit or fee for the The conference report was agreed to. .committee of conference were in full agree- purchase of a mortgage not exceeding one A motion to reconsider was laid on ment however that critical defense hoµsing percent of the original principal obligation the table. areas shall receive prior consideration in the of the mortgage. When the commitment use of this new authorization in order that procedure previously was permitted it was PRIVATE CALENDAR the housing needed in such areas to support the practice of the Association to charge The SPEAKER. This is Private Cal­ the defense effort will be provided. a one percent deposit on the issuance of a endar day. The Clerk will call the first Amendment No. 44: This amendment commitment. In the event an eligible would restore to the Federal National Mort­ mortgage was submitted to the Association bill on the Private Calendar. gage Association authority to make commit­ for purchase within the period allowed under BERNT BALCHEN ments for the purchase of mortgages on the commitment, one-half of the required (1) programmed housing in a critical de­ deposit was refunded to the holder of the The Clerk called the bill (S. 1220) to fense housing area, l2) military housing commitment and the Association retained authorize the appointment of Bernt with respect to which a commitment to in.; the other half. In the event the holder of Balchen as a permanent colonel in the sure has been issued pursuant to FHA title the commitment did not offer an eligible Regular Air Force. VIII, or (3) housing for victims of a catas­ mortgage to the Association for purchase There being no objection, the Clerk trophe in a major disaster area. This com­ but could show that a mortgage eligible read the bill, as follows: mitment authority for purchase of mort­ for purchase had been made and was placed gages by the association· would be limited elsewhere, the ·holder of the commitment Be it enacted, etc., That, notwithstanding to an amount not exceeding $500,000,000 received a refund of three-fourths of the any other provision of law, the President, by 'outstanding at any one time· and further initial deposit required and the Association and with the advice and consent of the Sen­ limited to ·commitments made on or after retained the remaining one-fourth as its ate, is authorized to appoint Bernt Balchen, the effective date of this act and prior to fee for having given the commitment. In A0-426630, United States Air Force Reserve, March l, 1952. No similar provision was the event the holder of the co_mmitment to the permanent grade of colonel in the contained in the Senate bill. The confer­ neither produced an eligible mortgage for Regular Air Force. For the purposes of de­ ence report retains the provisions of the sale to the Association or for sale elsewhere, termining position on promotion list, perma­ House amendment with the following the full deposit of one percent was retained nent-grade seniority, and eligibility for pro­ changes: (1) The amount of commitments by the Association. The committee of con· motion, the above-named person shall be outstandin~ at any one time was reduced ference is of the fl.rm opinion that a similar credited with an amount of service equal to 1 ~o $200,000,000 in lieu of $500,000,000 pro· practice be followed with respect to deposits the number of days, months, and years by .vided for in the House amendment, and (2) and fees charged in connection with the which his age at the time of his appointment the period during which commitments may limited commitment authority which would exceeds 25 years and shall be placed on the be made would terminate December 31, 1951, be authorized by the provisions of the bill. promotion list imm!'ldiately below that offi· • 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 10469 cer appointed to the permanent grade · of Arno Edvln Kolm shall be held and consid­ bers from the number of displaced persons colonel on April 2, 1948, who is credited with ered to have 'been lawfully admitted to the who shall be granted the status of perma­ the same or next greater amount of service. United States for permanent residence as of nent residence pursuant to section 4 of the The service credited to the above-named the date of the enactment of this act, upon "Displaced Persons Act, as amended ( 62 Stat. · person at the time of his appointment and payment of the required visa fee and head 1011; 64 Stat. 219; 50 U. S. C. App. 1953). his active commissioned service in the Regu­ tax. Upon the granting of permanent resi­ lar Air Force subsequent to his appointment dence to such alien as provided for in this The bill was ordered to be read a third shall be included within the meaning of the act, the Secretary of State shall instruct the time, was read the third time, and term "years' service" as defined in subsec­ proper quota-control officer to deduct one passed, and a motion to reconsider was tion (b) of section 514 of the Officer Person­ number from the appropriate quota for the laid on the table. nel Act of 1947 (61 Stat. 903; 10 U. S. C. first year that such quota is available. 94lb). SALOMON HENRI LAIFER The bill was ordered to be read a third The bill was ordered to be read a third time; was read the third time, and passed, The Clerk called the bill .s of December 19, A-6694119, Witelson, Szlama Zelman. tary of State shall instruct the proper 1907, upon payment of the required visa fees A-6378710, Wysokier, Chaim. quota-control officer to deduct one number and head taxes. A-6881797, Zasman, Genia alias Eugenia from the appropriate quota for the first year Salowienowitsch or Eugenja Solowinowicz. that such quota is available." With the following committee amend­ A-6881713, Bekerman, Mordchaj. ment: A-6488132, Belski, Jehoszua. The committee amendment was Strike out all after the enacting clause A-6468182, Belski, Berta. agreed to. and insert in lieu thereof the following: A-6536901, Bruck, Jonas. The bill was ordered to be engrossed "That for the purposes of the immigration A-6868023, Dzieciol, Jerzy. and read a third time, was read the third and naturalization laws, Hego Fuchino shall A-6653294, Eisner, Herman~ time, and passed, and a motion to re­ be held and considered to have been lawfully A-6666978, Eisner, Malvina (nee Spira). consider was laid on the table. admitted to the United States for permanent A-6849319, Engel, Morris or Morie. residence as of the date of the enactment A-6884250, Engel, Anna (nee Lampert). EMILIO TORRES of this act, upon payment of the required A-7095952, Engel, Micha.el or Miroslav. A-9560629, Galka, ·. Stefan. The Clerk called ~ the bill (H. R. 1102) visa fee and head tax. Upon the granting of permanent residence to such alien as pro­ A-6232280, Golebiowski, Alfred. for the relief of Emilio Torres. vided for in this act, the Secretary of State A-6440154, Herskovic, Martin. There being no objection, the Clerk shall instruct the proper quota-control officer A-6633048, Kahan, Magda Meisels. read the bill, as fallows: . to dec;luct one number from the appropriate A-2498207, Kovar, Franlt or Frantisek. Be it enacted, etc., That, for the pur­ quota for the first year that such quota is A-7003025, Kovar, Anastazie. poses of the immigration and naturalization available." A-7003024, Kovar, Mila or Miloslava. . laws» Emilio Torres shall be held and con­ A-2661069, Kovar, Stina or Anastazie • sidered to have been lawfully admitted The committee amendment was A-6232281, Krolik, Hilary Tadeusz. to the United States for permanent resi­ agreed to. A-6671666, Ladner, Dawid. dence as of the date of the enactment of The bill was ordered to be engrossed A-6159527, Lyssy, Tadeusz Ludwik or this act, upon payment of the required visa and read a third time, was read the third Thaddeus Louis Lyssy. fee and head tax. Upon the granting of time, and passed, and a motion to recon­ A-6159528, Lyssy, Janina (nee Alexandro- permanent residence to such alien as pro­ sider was laid on the table. vicz) or Jane Lyssy. vided for in this act, the Secretary of State A-6751951, Pinter, Izak. shall instruct the proper quota-control FAVORING GRANTING OF STATUS OF A-6804025, Polak, Ester. officer to deduct one number from the ap­ PERMANENT RESIDENCE TO CERTAIN A-6911169, Poppr, Emanuel Leopold Jind- propriate quota for the first year that such ALIENS rich Maria or Henry Poppr; quota is available. A-6918489, Poser, Reice Ruchel. The Clerk called the concurrent reso­ A-6918496, Poser, Isydoi:. The bill was ordered to be engrossed lution

BOLI~Ross . CHEMICAL ·CO., INC. amount appropriated in this act in excess of Page 1, line 9, strike out "compensation 10 percent thereof shall be paid or delivered !or services rendered from September 1947 The Clerk called the bill ' sum shall be in full settlement of all claims in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for the relief of Elaine Do vi co. of the said Mrs. Beverly Brunell Roth against the sum of $3',990 to Christian & Co., Inc., the United States arising out of personal There being no objection, the Clerk of Pittsburgh, Pa., in full settlement of all read the bill, as follows: injuries sustained by her on the island of claims against the United States growing out Saipan on October 16, 1945, when she was of contract No. FSC-27849, dated September Be it enacted, etc., That the Secretary of thrown through the windshield of a Govern­ 17, 1942,· with the Federal Surplus Commodi­ the Treasury is authorized and directed to ment vehicle in which she was being trans­ ties Corporation, Department of Agriculture. pay, out of any money in the Treasury not ported as a member of United Services Or­ otherwise appropriated, to Elaine Dovico, of ganizations Unit 615. An action in the ap­ With the following committee amend­ 6535 Haverford Avenue, Philadelphia, Pa., the propriate United States district court by the ment: sum of $2,418.60. The payment of such sum said Mrs. Beverly Brunell Roth to recover for Page 1, line 10, after the word "Agricul­ shall be in full settlement of all claims of su.,h injuries was dismissed on the ground ture", insert ": Provided, That no part of the the said Elaine Dovico against the United that for the purposes of chapter 171 of title amount appropriated in this act in excess States arising out of the loss of personal 28, United States Code, Saipan is a foreign of 10 percent thereof shall be paid or deliv­ property sustained by her as a result of a country: Provided, That no part of the ered to or received by any agent or attorney fire in the post exchange of Fort Richardson, amount appropriated in this act in excess of on account of services rendered in connec­ Alaska, on November 28, 1946: Provided, 10 percent thereof shall be paid or de­ tion with this claim, and the same shall be That no part of the amount appropriated in livered to or received by any agent or at­ unlawful, any contract to the contrary not­ this act in excess Of 10 percent thereof shall torney on account of services rendered in withstanding. Any person violating the pro­ be paid or delivered to or received by any connection with this claim, and the same visions of this act shall be deemed guilty of agent or attorney on account of services ren­ shall be unlawful, any contract to the con­ a misdemeanor and upon conviction thereof dered in connection with this claim, and the trary notwithstanding. Any person violating shall be fined in any sum not exceeding same shall be unlawful, any contract to the the provisions of this act shall not be deemed $1,000." contrary notwithstanding. Any person vio­ guilty of a misdemeanor and upon convic­ lating the provisions of this act shall be tion thereof shall be fined in any sum not The committee amendment was agreed deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and upon exceeding $1,000. to. conviction thereof shall be fined in any sum not exceeding $1,000. With the following committee amend­ The bill was ordered to be engrossed ment: and read a third time, was read the third With the following committee amend.:. time, and passed, and a motion to recon:. ment:. Page 1, line 6, strike out "$75,000" and sider was laid on the table. insert in lieu thereof "$7,500." Page 1, line 6, strike out "$2,418.60" and HARRINGTON & GRAHAM insert "$2,071." The committee amendment was agreed to. The Clerk called the bill

I 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-.HOUSE 10479 0th.er authorized weight allowances, · not to The bill, as agreed to by the managers on The SPEAKER. Evidently a quorum exceed one privately owned motor vehicle, the part of both Houses, reads as follows: is not present. shipment of which at Government expense "Be it enacted by the Senate and House is «!lllthorized .in those cases where the of Representatives of the United States of Mr. PRIEST. Mr. Speaker, I move a vehicle is located outside the continental America in Congress assembled, That, for call of the House. limits of the United States or in Alaska." the purposes of the immigration and natu­ A call of the House was ordered. Page 3, line 4, after "act,'' insert "here­ ralization laws, Sidney Young Hughes shall The Clerk called the roll, and the fol­ toforr not allowed by virtue of inability to be held and considered to have been lawfully lowing Members failed to answer to their establish death or injury as a result of mili­ admitted to the United States for permanent names: tary or naval operations." residence as of the date of the enactment of [Roll No. 168) Page 3, after line 4, insert: this Act, upon payment of the required visa Abbitt Fugate Mo;rison '(c) Payments made by disbursing of­ fee and head tax. Upon the granting of Albert Fulton Morton ficers on or after June 25, 1950, and prior permanent residence to such alien as pro­ Allen, Ill. Garmatz Moulder to the date of approval of this act for the vided for in this Act, the Secretary of State Allen, La. Gathings Multer transportation, packing, and unpacking of shall instruct the proper quota-control offi­ Anderson, Calif. Gavin Mumma privately owned motor vehicles transported cer to deduct one number from the appro­ Andresen, Gordon Murphy under the conditions s&t forth in section 12 priate quota for the first year that such quota August H. Gore Murray, Wis. of the Missing Persons Act, as amended by is available." Anfuso Granahan O'Brien, Ill. Angell Green O'Hara section 1 of this act, are hereby ratified." FRANCIS E. WALTER, Ayres Gregory O'Konskl MICHAEL A. FEIGHAN, Barrett Gwinn Ostertag The SPEAKER. Is there objection to LOUISE. GRAHAM, Beall Hale Patten the request of the gentleman from Managers on the Part of the House. Bentsen Hall, Powell Texas? Blackney Edwin Arthur Quinn Boggs, La. Hall, Radwan There was no objection. The conference report was agreed to. Boykin Leonard W. Redden . The Senate amendments were con­ A motion to reconsider was laid on the Breen Hand Reed, Ill. curred in. table. Buckley Harvey Reed, N . Y. Burton Hebert Ribicoff A motion to reconsider was laid on the ELECTION CONTEST CASE OF WYMAN C. Busbey Hedrick Richards table. LOWE,. CONTESTANT, AGAINST JAMES Butler Heffernan Riehlman SIDNEY YOUNG HUGHES Byrne, N. Y. Hill Rivers C. DAVIS, CONTESTEE Case Hinshaw Robeson Mr. WALTER. Mr. Speaker, I call up Mr. BURLESON. Mr. Speaker, by di­ Cell er Hoeven Rooney R. Chatham Hoffman, Ill. · Roosevelt the conference report on the bill society so firmly tt_at it may take inquiry? yield 5 minutes to the gentleman fr~m Nebraska [Mr. MILLER]. an economic collapse to wake Congress Mr. SMITH of Virginia. I . yield. and the people up to the fact that the The"SPEAKER. The gentleman will Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. Mr. Speaker, I suppose I should not take any po:wer to tax is the power to destroy. state the parliamentary inquiry. W1~h these appropriations you raid every Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Speaker, I under­ time here because the wheels are all savmgs account where the people have stood that this resolution provided for grea3eci up to put this extension through, tried to put away a little money for a going into the Committee of the Whole whether we like it or not. Now, since I rainy day. You make it impossible to to discuss this proposition and to take have sort of a reputation for being one save any money today. You are putting it up for amendment, is that correct? of the great objectors of the House I a mortgage on the backs of the children The SPEAKER. That is correct. want to live up to that reputation a~d yet unborn. That is what the resolution says. make a few remarks that I hope will be taken with kindness. The acting major­ I warn you that we are facing an eco­ Mr. RANKIN. Then the motion that nomic collapse. The Department of would be in order would be one to go ity leader is restless now; he thinks I Commerce told me yesterday that our into the Committee of the Whole. may want a roll call on this bill. I am going_ to vote against it. It is a little dollar today is worth 44 cents as com­ The SPEAKER. The House has to pared with 1939, when it was worth $1. adopt the rule first before going into hard for the people of the country to understand why these resolutions are An economist who had made an investi­ the Committee of the Whole. gation of the matter told me that if we · Mr. SMITH of Virginia. Mr. Speaker, necessary. I hate to make any charges against the leadership of the House and cause a $30,000,000,000 deficit our dollar this is a rule making in order a con­ will be worth about 31 cents. So you can tinuing resolution on the appropriation I will not, but I am reminded, that ~hen see where you are going. How long are bills. We have already passed two con­ the Eightieth Congress, that terrible Re­ you going to continue with this? There tinuing resolutions. The present one publican Eightieth Congress was here must be a stop to it. expires the last of this month; so if the we did get the appropriations bills out House is in recess at that time it is very and passed, and we passed a reorganiza­ Mr. Speaker, I am going to demand necessary that we have another exten­ tion plan before some of you came to a roll call on the resolution as well .as sion of 30 days because of the fact sev­ Congress which required that these ap­ on the extending resolution. I think it eral appropriation bills have not passed propriatic.n bills be out and clear the is time the American people realize what the other body. The resolution merely deck before July 1. Now you come in the back-breaking taxes will do. continues it for another 30 days with­ with these extending resolutions. That Mr. RANKIN. Is it not a fact that the out any change in the present resolu­ just is not good business. I presume the authorization for this legislation has al­ tion, other than a change in the date. Committee on Appropriations does not ready expired, and that a point of order Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. Mr. Speak­ have enough help, maybe, to analyze against the extending resolution would er, will the gentleman yield? the appropriation bills, but I say to you be in order? Mr. SMITH of Virginia. I yield to that I heard one Member of the Com­ Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. I think the the gentleman from Nebraska. mittee on AJ:>propriations this morning, gentleman is correct. I have been so Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. The gen­ the gentleman from Nebraska [Mr. informed. I feel like a voice crying in tleman says there is no change, yet I see STEFAN] make the remark to a little the wilderness, but who will stop, look section 2 corrected in pencil here, and breakfast group that he thought the ap­ and listen-the sign "bankrupt" is on the I do no~ know which is right, the printed propriations and contract authorizations wall. resolution or the change. It says, "The for this year would amount to over Mr. SMITH of Virginia. Mr. Speaker, amount appropriated by subsection (e) $100,000,000,000. I would like to raise I move the previous question on the reso­ of section 1 of such joint resolution, as this question in all seriousness to the lution. amended, for aid to refugees from Pales­ Members on both sides of this House: The previous question was ordered. tine is hereby increased by such amount How long, how long do you think the The SPEAKER. The question is on as may be necessary," and so forth. That United States, the taxpayers of this the resolution. 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 10481 The question was taken; and on a di­ items. It allows expenditures at a lower vote. In fact, just yesterday I protested vision

TABLE NO. 3 tons, and also the savings which these As long as I am a Member of the Con­ Here is another table which the Army barges would provide. gress here I am not going to hesitate to As I pointed out, these larger barges get up and submit my views upon these engineers have worked out showing the are being used more and more as time subjects, regardless of what the gentle­ cost per tow of barges carrying 14,000 goes on. man from Arkansas or anybody else says. You may label me as a great objector on Showing cost per tow of barges carrying 14,000 tons and showing the savings via the _ Tennessee-Tombigbee this side, that is O. K. with me. I must live at peace with myself and I shall not hesitate to lash out in no uncertain terms Cost via T~:_~;si:e- Average at those issues I feel ar~ wrong. If it From- To- Mississippi Tombigbee savings per is necessary to get rough and tough on fi,~roi! per tow of 14,t~ t~ns 14,000 tons some of these things I think we cught to do that. We have done too little New Orleans, La ______fighting. I may say to my Republican PaducahCairo ______------______----- _ $28, 280 $18, 480 $9, 800 29, 400 17, 640 11, 670 collea.gues, you better fight more, not Mohile, Ala ______Tennessee-Tombigbee junction------~ ----- 33,880 13, 860 20, 020 less. You take a lot of this spending PaducahCairo ___ ------______------_ 33, 460 13, 300 20, 160 34, 580 12, 460 22, 120 stuff and you do not fight. You should Tennessee-Tombigbee junction ______39, 060 8, 680 30, 380 not lack the intestinal fortitude to get Port Birmingham, Ala ______Cairo __ _------~------41, 440 13, 300 28, 140 Paducah ______------______42, 560 12, 460 30, 100 up here and say what you really think. Tennessee-Tombigbee junction ______47, 040 8, 680 38, 360 Demopolis, Ala ______Why be afraid to speak out against some PaducahCairo ___ -_____------______------______·------_ 37, 520 9, 380 28, 140 38, 640 8, 540 30, 100 of these appropriations, against some of Tennessee-Tombigbee junction ______43, 120 4, 760 Columbus, Miss ______38, 360 these attempts to nationalize and social­ PaducahCairo ______------______39, 620 7, 140 32, 480 40, 740 6,300 34, 440 ize this country. You have been too Tep.nessee-Tombigbee jun9tion ______45, 220 2,380 42, 840 easy. You better begin to listen to the Aberdeen, Miss ______PaducahCairo ___ ------______40, 320 6, 440 folks at home, then when you come back 41, 440 5, 600 ~~;~ Tennessee-'.rombigbee function ______45, 920 1, 820 44, 100 here you will have a little different view­ Amory, Miss ______Paducah.Cairo ______------_ 40, 740 6, 160 34, 580 point. 41, 860 5,320 36, 540 Tennessee-Tombigbee junction ______Mr. CANNON. Mr. Chairman, the Fulton, Miss ______46, 340 1, 540 44, 800 PCairo.aduca ___h ______------_ 41,020 5, 740 35, 280 resolution in its present form, including 42, 140 4, 900 37, 240 Tennessee-Tombigbee juµction ______46, 620 1, 120 45, 500 the last paragraph to which the amend­ ment refers, was adopted in the com­ mittee this morning without a record Do not forget that this is the only pos­ would like to have 3 or 4 minutes, if I vote. It is supported by Members on sible way to provide what will amount to may. both sides of the aisle. a slack-water route from the Gulf to the Mr. CANNON. Mr. Chairman, I will Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentle­ Great Lakes, and to all points on the take the 5 minutes and will yield 2 min­ man from New York [Mr. TABER]. Tennessee, the upper Mississippi, the utes to the gentleman from Nebraska Missouri, the Illinois, and the Ohio [Mr. MILLER]. Mr. TABER. Mr. Chairman, this is Rivers, all the way up to Pittsburgh, Pa. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection satisfactory to me. It will be worth untold hundreds of mil­ to the request of the gentleman from Mr. JENSEN. The gentleman under­ lions of dollars to western Pennsylvania, Missouri that all debate on this amend­ stands there was no record vote taken as well as to the States of Ohio, Ken­ ment and all amendments thereto close on this, does he not? tucky, Illinois, Indiana, West Virginia, in 5 minutes? Mr. TABER. That is correct, there Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Mis­ There was no objection. was no record vote, but a roll-call vote souri, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, MonM The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman was not requested and the resolution was tana, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Utah, and from Nebraska is recognized for 2 min­ adopted. Frankly, I did not hear any all the other States in the Middle West utes. voting. I think that this second para­ or that border on any of the tributaries Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. Mr. Chair­ graph should be kept in the resolution. of the Mississippi, or on the Gulf or the man, I just wanted to say that the gen­ It is fair that we carry this along until Great Lakes. tleman from Arkansas [Mr. TACKETT] if the Congress can have an opportunity to , It will provide a short slack-water he is trying to attack me and my integ­ finally pass on the question of how far we route for their upstream shipments and rity in supporting economy in Govern­ are to go in this subject after the com­ at the same time save the swift current ment he is quite out of place. I suggest mittees that have had hearings have of the :Mississippi tor their downstream that he just watch his step when he at­ acted. traffic. · tempts to do that in the House of Repre­ The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman 11 There is not another place on the face sentatives. I am not at all ashamed of of the earth where the -traffic can be my record in trying to keep down ex­ from Mississippi [Mr. RANKIN]. transferred from one major watershed penditures. You on the Democratic side The amendment was rejected. to another with so much ease, so little have a shameful record in voting for Mr. CANNON. Mr. Chairman, I be­ expense, and such tremendous savings more and more spending. lieve that under the rule the committee 1n transportation costs and distances. Yesterday Members on the gentle­ rises automatically. ,The nearest approach to it is the one man's side took some bitter pills in the Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Chairman, a point connecting the Don and the Volga Rivers whipping they got in the House when of order. in Russia, which Stalin is now construct­ they tried to increase appropriations, The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will ing with all possible haste, probably and I hope they will have more of those state it. using lend-lease machinery, if not lend­ experiences. Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Chairman, there is lease money, supplied by the taxpayers To those who try to attach a stigma one amendment that has not been voted of this country for that purpose. to the Members who fight for economy on. We cannot afford to wait. and a cutting down of Government ex­ The CHAIRMAN. What amendment This project is absolutely necessary to penditures I say, if you have nerve is that? our national defense and should be con­ enough, go back home and talk with Mr. RANKIN. It is on page 1, line 9, structed as rapidly as possible. your people. You will probably come where they struck out the word "Pales­ Mr. CANNON. Mr. Chairman, I ask back with a little different viewpoint. tine" and added the words "from Pales­ unanimous consent that all debate on There are too many Members of this tine." That was not considered in the this amendment and all amendments House that talk economy out of one side committee. thereto close in 5 minutes. . of their mouth and then shout "Yea" for Mr. CANNON. Mr. Chairman, that is Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. Mr. Chair­ more spending. Look at the record; that in the resolution as originally intro­ man, reserving the right to object, I is the proof. duced. 10484 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE AUGUST 21 The CHAIRMAN. The Chair is ad­ By unanimous consent, further pro­ later and announced so the Members vised those words were in the resolution ceedings under the call were dispensed will know what the program will be. as introduced, therefore, are a part of with. Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. Will it be the resolution and not an amendment. TEMPORARY APPROPRIATIONS, 1952 announced before we leave this coming Under the rule the Committee rises. Thursday? Accordingly the Committee rose; and The SPEAKER. The question is on Mr. PRIEST. I cannot say about that, the Speaker having resumed the chair. the engrossment and third reading of but I can assure the gentleman that Mr. HARDY, Chairman of the Committee .the House joint resolution. due notice will be given to all Members of the Whole House on the State of the The House joint resolution was ordered of the House. Union,. reported that that Committee, to be engrossed and read a third time, Mr. HALLECK. Mr. Speaker, will the having had under consideration House and was read the third time. gentleman yield? Joint Resolution 320, amending an act . The SPEAKER. The question is on Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. I yield. making temporary appropriations for the passage of the House joint resolu­ Mr. HALLECK. If it could be ar­ the fiscal year 1952, and for other pur­ tion. ranged that our offices would be in­ poses, pursuant to House Resolution 397, Mr. JENSEN. Mr. Speaker, I offer a formed as to what program, if any, is he reported the House joint resolution motion to recommit. scheduled for the balance of the week back to the House. The Clerk read as follows: beginning September 10, I think it would The SPEAKER. Under the rule the Mr. JENSEN moves to recommit the reso­ be very helpful to all of the Members. previous question is ordered. lution to the Committee on Appropriations, Mr. PRIEST. I am sure it would be, Mr. KERR. Mr. Speaker, I make the Mr. CANNON. Mr. Speaker, on that I and I can assure the gentleman that point of order that a quorum is not move the previous question. with the cooperation of the minority we present. The previous question was ordered. will see that that is done. The SPEAKER. The Chair will count. The SPEAKER. The question is on Mrs. ROGER~ of Massachusetts. Mr. [After counting.] One hundred and the motion to recommit. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? eighty-seven Members are present, not The question was taken; and on a divi­ Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. I yield. a quorum. sion (demanded by Mr. MILLER of Ne­ Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. Has Mr. HART. Mr. Speaker, I move a braska) there were-ayes 7, noes 231. th'3 gentleman any idea when the other call of the House. So the motion to recommit was re­ body will have legislation ready for us? A can ·of the House was ordered. jected. Mr. PRIEST. I do not have any idea The Clerk called the roll, and the fol­ The SPEAKER. The question is on what might ?appen in t"'1e other body. lowing Members failed to answer to their the passage of the resolution. or at what time they might have legis­ names: The House joint resolution was agreed lation ready; I am sorry. to. Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Speake:", reserv­ [Roll No. 169) . ing the right to object, as I understand Abbitt Forand Moulder A motion to reconsider was laid on the Albert Fugate Multer table. this is a concurrent resolution. ' Allen, Ill. Fulton Mumma Mr. PRIEST. It is. Allen, La. Garmatz Murphy ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE FROM Mr. RANKIN. Is the Senate sup­ Anderson, Cali!.Gathings Murray, Wis. AUGUST 23 TO SEPTEMBER 12 Andresen, Gavin Norrell posed to take the same recess we do? August H. Gordon . O'Brien, Ill. Mr. PRIEST. Mr. Speaker, I offer a Mr. PRIEST. I do not know what Anfuso Gore O'Brien, Mich. privileged resolution the Senate plans, but I understand they Angell Granahan O'Hara Ayres Green O'Konski and ask for its immediate consideration. do not intend to do so. That is not offi­ Barrett Gregory Ostertag The Clerk read as follows: cial, however; I have not been so in­ Beall Gwinn Patten Resolved, That when the House adjourns formed. Be'n tsen Hale Poage on Thursday, August 23, 1951, it stand ad­ Mr. RANKIN. Under the resolution Blackney Hall, Powell Blatnik Edwin Arthur Quinn journed until 12 o'clock meridian, Wednes­ they are not required to do so? Boggs, La. Hand Radwan day, September 12, 1951. Mr. P:!IEST. That is right. Boykin Harvey Redden Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. I hope the Breen Hebert Reed, Ill. · The House concurrent resolution was Buckley Hedrick Reed, N. Y. agreed to. leadership will be able to inform the Burton He1fernan Ribicotr A motion to reconsider was laid on the membership a week in advance as to the Busbey Hill Richards program. It takes time to return from Butler Hinshaw Riehlman table. our districts. Byrne, N. Y. Hoeven Rivers INTERIM AUTHORITY TO THE SPEAKER Case Hoffman, DI. Robeson The SPEAKER. Is there objection to Celler Hoffman, Mich. Roosevelt Mr. PRIEST. Mr. Speaker, I ask the request of the gentleman from Chatham Jackson, Calif. Sabath Tennessee? Chenoweth James Sadlak unanimous consent that notwithstanding Chiperfl.eld Javits St. George the adjournment of the House until Sep­ There was no objection. Chu doff Jenkins Saylor tember 12, 1951, the Clerk be authorized IlITERIM AUTHORITY TO THE SPEAKER Clemente Johnson Scott, Hardie to receive messages from the Senate and Combs Jonas Scott, TO MAKE CERTAIN APPOINTMENTS 1 that the Speaker be authorized to sign Cooley Jones, Hugh D., Jr. Mr. Corbett Hamilton C. Scudder any bills and joint resolutions duly PRIEST. Mr. Speaker, I ask Coudert Kearney Shafer passed by the two Houses and found unanimous consent that notwithstand­ Crumpacker Kelly. N. Y. Shelley truly enrolled. ing the adjournment of the House until Cunningham Kennedy Sikes Wednesday, September 12, 1951, the Curtis, Mo. · Keogh Smith, Kans. The SPEAKER. Is there objection to Speaker be authorized to appoint com­ Davis, Wis. Kilburn Stockman the request of the gentleman from Ten­ Dawson Klein Sutton missions, boards, and committees au­ Delaney Kluczynski Talle nessee? thor:zed by law or by the House. Dingell Lane Taylor Mr. MILLER of Nebraska. Mr. The SPEAKER. ·Is there objection to Dollinger Latham Teague Speaker, reserving the right to object, I Dolliver Lucas Towe the request of the gentleman from Ten­ Donovan McCarthy Vail wish to ask the majority leader or the nessee? Durham McCormack Van Pelt whip if he can inform the House what There was no objection. Eaton Machrowicz Vinson might be the program as of September Ellsworth Mack, Ill. Vorys 12 when we retur.a? That is Wednesday, INTERSTATE COMPACT TO CONSERVE OIL EnglP. Martin, Mass. Welch AND GAS Evins Mason Werdel I notice by the calendar; and Thursday, Fallon Meader Whitaker o~ course, is a day when we do not have Mr. LYLE. Mr. Speaker, by direction Fellows Miller, N. Y. Wickersham Fernandez Mitchell Wilson, Ind. much on the calendar. I wondered just of the Committee o:i Rules I call up Fine Morgan Withrow what might be coming up on Wednes­ House Resolution 391 and ask for its Fisher Morrison Wood, Ga. day the 12th. immediate .consideration. Fogarty Morton Wood, Idaho Mr. PRIEST. I am very sorry to say The Clerk read the resolution, as The SPEAKER. On this roll call 271 to the gentleman from Nebraska that I follows: Members have answered to their names; cannot inform him or the House at this Resolved, That immediately upon the a ·quorum is present. time. The program will be arranged adoption of tl.is resolution it shall be in 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE order to move that the House resolve itself During the hearings there was testi­ It is very necessary that the Congress into the Committee of the Whole House on mony from the head of the Antitrust act rather speedily with reference to the State of the Union for the consideration this particular extension because the of the joint resolution (S. J. Res. 42) con­ Division that the department in the senting to an interstate compr -: t to conserve nearly 16 years of the existence of the authority expires September 1 of this oil and gas. That after general debate compact had not taken any specific ac­ year. The Senate passed this resolu­ which shall be confined to the joint resolu­ tion or made any particular study di­ tion unanimously. There was nothing tion anci continue not to exceed 1 hour, to rected toward the question as to whether but favorable testimony in regard to it be equally divided and controlled by the or not there had been any violation of in the Committee on Interstate and For­ chairman and ranking minority member of article V. There is no disposition on the eign Commerce. The Secretary of the the Committee on Interstate and Foreign part of the seven members who signed Interior, which perhaps has more to Commerce, the joint resolution shall be read do with the oil industry than any other for amendment under the 5-minute rule. the minority report and others who did At the conclusion of the consideration of the not but who join in urging the amend­ department of our Federal Government, joint resolution for amendment, the Com­ ment, to say that there is any evidence favors it. The Secretary of Defense mittee shall rise and report the joint resolu­ whatever. of a violation of law. favors it. The Justice Department in­ tion to the House with such amendments as Our position arises from the testimony terposes no objection to it, and all in may have been adopted and the previous given at the hearings by the head of the all I feel I can say to the membership of question shall be considered as ordered on Antitrust Division and specifically from this House that the authorities of the the joint resolution and amenmdents there­ the answer he gave to a question asked Government are for it and feel it is to to final passage without intervening mo­ necessary. tion except one motion to recommit. by the ranking minority member [Mr. WOLVERTON] as to whether there would The Governor of Texas testified in Mr. LYLE. Mr. Speaker, this resohi­ be any objection to an amendment to favor of it and, as all of you know, tion makes in order the immediate con­ accomplish this purpose. Texas is vitally interested in the oil in­ sideration of Senate Joint Resolution 42. Mr. Morison said: dustry and in keeping the oil industry which is a resolution that simply con­ N ~. sir, I have no objection whatever if in strong. The representatives of all the tinues the authority of the States to the wisdom of the committee and the Con­ other 19 States have evidenced that enter into a compact to conserve oil and gress it is desirable. they, too, are for it. The entire picture has been one of success and one of gas, the same agreement that has been Personally I hope that the majority in existence since 1935. approval among those who seem to know Mr. Speaker, at this time I yield one­ of the committee will, when the amend­ most about the activities of the partici­ ment is offered, accept it. It seems to pants in the compact. half of my time to the gentleman from me to be a perfectly logical thiug to say Ohio [Mr. BROWN]. There has been some controversy with Mr. BROWN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, as to the Attorney General, ".You have gen­ reference to an amendment that some the gentleman from Texas [Mr. LYLE] eral responsibility; we would like you to seven members Of the House Committee take specific responsibility, simply advise on Interstate and Foreign Commerce has so well explained, House Resolution us whether there is any violation, and if 391 makes in order the consideration of favored. there is, bring it to our attention." If As far as I personally am concerned, Senate Joint Resolution 42, which is a there is no violation, no harm is done. resolution, to contintle the interstate I do not see that the amendment is compact to conserve oil and gas, a com­ If there are violations, it would seem needed. I think that is the feeling of clear that we should want to know the the majority of the members of our pact that has been very important in facts. · our economic life and one that should be committee. continued. Mr. LYLE. Mr. Speaker, I move the The whole compact has worked well I am foformed there is a minority previous question. for 16 years as is, and it is felt in the report filed along with the majority re­ The ·previous question was ordered. interest of conservation, in the interest port, on this resolution, which comes The SPEAKER. The question is on of orderly production of oil, and in the from the Committee on Interstate and the resolution. interest of those practices calculated to Foreign Commerce, and that in all prob­ The resolution was agreed to. bring about the maximum production ability one or two amendments will be Mr. BECKWORTH. Mr. Speaker, I of oil and to keep improved the various offered to the resolution when it is con­ move that the House resolve itself into fields in this country that the compact sidered under the 5-minute rule. the Committee of the Whole House on . should be extended for an additional Mr. Speaker, I hope that this rule will the State of the Union for the considera­ 4 years. be adopted. tion of the joint resolution (S. J. Res. 42) Mr. WOLVERTON. Mr. Chairman, I Mr. FLOOD. Mr. Speaker, will the consenting to an interstate compact to yield myself 15 minutes. gentleman yield? conserve oil and gas. Mr. Chairman, Senate Joint Resolu­ Mr. BROWN of Ohio. I yield to the The motion was agreed to. tion 42 is what may be termed a continu­ gentleman from Pennsylvania. Accordingly the House resolved itself ing resolution. It provides for congres­ Mr. FLOOD. Mr. Speaker, I would into the Committee of the Whole House sional consent to an interstate compact like to observe in connection with the on the State of the Union for the consid­ to conserve oil and g·as that has been en­ question of conserving oil and gas-I pre- · eration of Senate Joint Resolution 42, tered into by the States of Alabama, Ar­ sume for defense purposes-that if . the with Mr. PRICE in the chair. kansas, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Ken.,. country realized as it should that coal is The Clerk read the title of the joint tucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, the basic fuel of this Nation, and if more resolution. Montana, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, would convert to the use of coal, it is the By unanimous consent, the first read­ Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, best possible way to conserve natural gas ing of the joint resolution was dispensed Texas, and West Virginia. and oil for fuel purposes. with. · I speak of it as a continuing resolution Mr. BROWN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I . Mr. BECKWORTH. · Mr. Chairman, I for the reason that the original resolu­ yield 2 minute to the gentleman from yield myself 5 minutes. tion, giving consent to a similar compact Massachusetts [Mr. HEsELTONJ. · Mr. Chairman, this is a simple propo­ as now presented to the House, was Mr. HESELTON. Mr. Speaker, in con- sition; simple in that it simply extends adopted in the Seventy-fourth Congress, . nection with the statement made by the something that has been in being inso­ approved August 27, 1935-Public Reso­ gentleman from Ohio [Mr. BROWN] as far as the oil States and oil industry are lution No. 64, Seventy-fourth Congress. to the proposed amendment, I would like concerned for 16 years. In February The original compact was entered into to call your attention to the substance of 1935, there was executed among several by the States of Oklahoma, Texas,· New it. It would direct the Attorney General oil-producing States what was known Mexico, Illinois, Colorado, and Kansas. to make a continuing study of the actions as the interstate oil compact. In Au­ Since 1935, the compact has been re­ taken under the compact to determine gust 1935, 16 years ago, the Congress gave newed and extended five times. The whether anything is done inconsistent approval to that interstate oil compact. present authority expires on September with the purposes of or contrary to the Since· that time the approval has been 1, 1951. The adoption of the resolution limitations and restrictions contained in extended for three 2-year periods and now before the House extends and re­ the compact, and to make a report regu.:. for two 4-year periods, making a total news this compact for a period of 4 years larly and at least once a year. of some 16 years in all from 1935 to date. from September 1, 1951, to September 1,. 10486 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE AUGUST 21 1955. This proposed extension of the strictions contained in the compact. To purpose of conserving oil and gas and pre­ compact has the approval of the Depart­ require such a report is undoubtedly in venting ·the avoidable waste thereof within ment of the Interior, the Department of the public interest, and, the Attorney reasonable limitations." · Defense, and the Federal Power Com­ General is likewise, undoubtedly, the On the question of the possible effect mission. No opposition has been ex­ proper o:llicial to make such study. on price to the consumer as a result of pressed to the proposed extension by any The purpose of the amendment-and curtailment of production, the following agency of the Government. It has been the attitude of the Department of Jus­ was said: passed by the Senate and favorably re­ tice which does not object to the inclu­ Mr. SIROVICH.'. Would not the conservation, ported by the House Committee on In­ sion of such an amendment as is pro­ Which is the purpose of this compact, in itself terstate and Foreign Commerce. posed-is clearly set forth in the testi­ bring about a reduction of oil and thereby The minority report that has been oony taken from the hearings on the increase its cost? filed by i::even members of the Committee resolution before the Committee on In­ Mr. WOLVERTON. There is no doubt in my on Interstate and For~ign Commerce terstate and Foreign Commerce, as fol­ mind that whenever you reduce the avail­ - makes plain that they have no objection ability of any commodity there is a natural lows: tendency to increase the price to the con­ to the basic purpose of this resolution. Mr. MORISON. I will tell you what I con­ sumer. Their attitude in this respect is set forth ceive, Mr. Congressman; to be the respon­ In that connection I wish to give a word of in the following words: s!.bility of the Department of Justice Anti­ warning. No legislation should be passed un­ We are in entire agreement that the el:• trust Division, and that would be, as I have der the guise of conservati.on which has for press purpose of the compact as expressed statec'. before, that if this article V should its purpose or effect an increased price to the in article II, "to conserve oil and gas by the be violated by participating oil companies consumer, or that permits under the guise prevention of physical waste thereof from in these various States, and we could find of stabilization a loss of the benefiicial ef­ any cause" is entirely laudable and in the such evidence, either upon complaint of a fect of supply and demand and open compe­ interest not only of the producers but of citizen or upon our own investigation, it tition. Care must be observed in all such the consumers and our national defense. would be my duty to bring a suit based on legislation to adequately and effectively those facts. guard the interests of the consuming public. . However, the members of the commit­ Mr. WOLVERTON. I fully appreciate that. There can be no. controlled prOduction tee who signed the minority report are of But I am asking who is the watchdog as to without having a direct effect upon the price the opinion that care should be observed the effect of that section and whether it ts to the consumer. While it may be neces­ that the powers authorized to be carried carried out? Is there any governmental sary at some time to conserve oil as against into effect by the several States, parties asency that has the direct duty of doing so? its possible exhaustion, yet at no time should Mr. MORISON. I would assume that my it be possible under the cloak of conserva­ to the compact, sbould not be used at division, Mr. Congressman, would have the tion to limit its production so that there will any time in a manner detrimental to greatest responsibility for that. There may result a stabilization of price· to the detri­ the public interest. Consequently, they be others. I do not know. I keep speaking ment of the public. All too frequently the feel it is imperative that some agency of about the Interior Department, because I real purpose of conservation agitation has Government should be required to keep think of them in terms of this kind of proj­ been to stabilize an increased price of oil constant supervision of the operation of ec "!.o that they would have a continuing in­ to tbe consumer. the compact and report to Congress terest to watch this. I may be wrong. We must never overlook the fact in con• Mr. WOLVERTON. This section was put in sidering any legislation that has for its pur­ periodically with respect to the same. the bill originally for the very purpose I pose the control or limitation of production To accomplish the above purpose I tried t - emphasize: for the protection of that the price to the consumer is thereby am informed ·it is the intention of the the public interest. The very fact that it atfected, and if there is no governmental gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. makes reference to monopoly and regimenta­ supervision or control the price will be an HEsELTON] to introduce an amendment tion, and all the other elements that enter increased price to the consumer. Whenever to the bill that will insert the fallowing into Antitrust Act provisions indicates to the available supply of any commodity is new section: Iri · · that the responsibility was upon the reduced or limited the direct result is an Attorney General. If there is any doubt increased price to the consumer. This is SEC. 2. The Attorney General of the United about it, would you have any objection to particularly true when applied to any natural States shall make a continuing study of ac­ any amendment being made to this bill that resource such as oil. tion taken under the compact set forth in WJUld makf! that clear? Therefore, no legislation should ever be section I of this act, with particular refer­ Mr. MORISON. No, sir; I have no objection ence to whether any such action is incon­ passed that will make it possible for either a whatever if, in the wisdom of the committee combination of oil-producing States or oil sistent with the purposes of, or contrary to and Congress, it ts desired. producers, large or small, to limit or restrict the limitations and restrictions contained in, production to such an extent as to prove de­ such compact. The Attorney General shall In emphasizing the importance of the trimental to the public interest. report to the Congress from time to time, provisions of article V, I would like to but not less often than once each year, the call attention to a portion of my remarks Thus, while I am in favor of this result of such study. before the House when the original reso­ resolution, I am nevertheless of the If such an amendment is introduced, I lution was under consideration on Au­ opinion that an amendment of the kind am in accord with the purpose sought to gust 24, 1935. The remarks to which I proposed would give additional protec­ be attained by it. I direct your atten­ particularly refer are found on page tion to the consuming public and should tion to the language contained in article 14591, volume 79, part 13, Seventy-fourth be adopted. V of the compact as justification for the Congress, first session, and are as fallows: Mr. HARRIS. Mr. Chairman, will the proposed amendment. The purpose of In answer to the question that was raised gentleman yield? this article is clearly in the public in­ as to whether the underlying purpose of the Mr. WOLVERTON. I yield to the gen­ terest. It reads as follows · compact was to control production so that tleman from Arkansas. It is not the purpose of this compact to it would have an effect on price, may I say Mr. HARRIS. I appreciate the fact authorize the States joining herein to limit that I believe the bills that were originally that the gentleman is so thoroughly the production of oil or gas for the purpose introduced seeking, under the terms of con­ versed in the work and activity, as well of stabilizing or fixing the price thereof, servation, to contr.ol the production of oil as the result of the operation of the in­ or create or perpetuate monopoly, or to really had for their purpose no other idea than stabilizing the price in a way that would terstate oil compact. The gentleman promote regimentation, but ts limited to the was a member of the committee in 1934 · purpose of conserving oil and gas and pre• be beneficial to the big oil-producing com­ venting the avoidable waste thereof within panies. Such legislation without adequate when this matter was first brought to reasonable limitations. governmental supervision might prove highly the attention of the Congress, when detrimental to the consumers of this Nation. there became a very great need for some If the amendment is offered by the However, for the comfort of the gentleman activity by the States, as presented by gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. who asked the question, may I say that there the oil compact which is authorized by HESELTON], it would, if adopted, make has been made a part of this proposed com­ the Constitution. The gentleman has article V more effective by specifically pact the following language, which appears been very attentive to this problem directing the Attorney General of the 1n article V: throughout these years and has observed United States to make a. continuing "It is not the purpose of this compact to authorize the States joining herein to limit the operation and very fine work of the study of action taken under the com­ the production of oil or gas for the purpose interstate oil compact in the conserva­ pact with particular reference to of stabilizing or fixing the price thereof, or tion of this great and important natural whether any such action is inconsistent create or perpetuate monopoly, or to pro­ resource. The gentleman has referred with the purposes, limitaticms, and re- mote regimentation, but is limited to the to the fact that an amendment would be 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 10487 offered. As I understood, he bases his compact, as was Governor Carson for a could prosecute, the same as he would support of the amendment on the ground time, Governor Shelton for a time, from any other violator. that it would be in the public interest, my neighboring State of Kansas. The CHAIRMAN. The time of the thereby preventing the possibility, per­ There is a great deal of discussion gentleman from New Mexico has expired. haps, of a price rise in the product of about price fixing. I can assure you Mr. BECKWORTH. Mr. Chairman, I oil, and consequently would support it on that nothing about price fixing is in­ yield the gentleman three additional that basis. volved in the compact at all; it is a minutes. Mr. WOLVERTON. That is not en­ conservation proposition. Mr. WOLVERTON. Mr. Chairman, tirely the situation. The question of in­ Mr. BECKWORTH. When one of the will the gentleman yield? creased price is not alone the reason. witnesses representing one of the States Mr. DEMPSEY. I yield to the gentle­ I am aware of the fact tha.t prices have was before our committee I asked him man from New Jersey. increased very generally and it might be this question about price back in the Mr. WOLVERTON. With further ref­ perfectly proper that prices of gasoline war days. Of course, the petroleum in­ erence to the action of . the compact and other petroleum products should in­ dustry wanted a raise in the pdce of commission, I want .to say that I com­ crease. The purpose of the Feselton crude oil. We had the Disney amend­ mend the work that the commission has amendment is to have someone in Gov­ ment around here. done with respect to conservation. There ernment make certain that the provi- · . Mr. DEMPSEY. They wanted it is no doubt, as the gentleman has so sions of article V as contained in the raised. It was raised in 1941, but in well said, and is so well qualified to say, compact will be observed. December of that year it was rolled back that a great service has been rendered Mr. HARRIS. Article V, of course, is to April and there was never a raise in that respect. I do not want to take the section of the resolution that deals during the war. one bit of credit away from the com­ with the pricing. Mr. BECKWORTH. I want to finish pact commission in that respect. But Mr. WOLVERTON. All that · the this observation, because I think it is the gentleman will agree with me, I am amendment does, in my opinion, is to right to the point. I asked the witness sure, that the very nature of the case make more effective the provisions of ar­ whether or not in any of the compact required that article V be inserted in the ticle V, contained in the compact. meetings as between the States inter­ compact. In other words, it was neces­ Mr. HARRIS. Out of the years of ex­ ested, the question of price was ever dis­ sary to put article V in to guard against perience the gentleman has observed the cussed or mentioned and he said "Never.". all possible procedures which might be effective operation of the interstate oil Mr. DEMPSEY. I have never heard . detrimental to the public. Nobody has compact, which is an agency of all States in ·a compact meeting the question of ,ever objected to that. The compact who are members, has there been any in­ price come up. It was something we had commission has not objected. No one dication or effort anywhere, either in nothing to do with. As a matter of fact, has. The Congress has continued the your observation of the activities or I want to say for the information of the resolution five different times over a hearings before the committee, or the gentleman from New Jersey-and what period of 16 years, with that in it. All record anywhere, that as a result of the I say will be borne out by the record­ that this amendment that we speak of compact there has been any increase in .the price of crude oil during World War I would require would be that the Attorney prices? · got to $3.50. It never went anywhere General report to the Congress the re­ Mr. WOLVERTON. We have before sult of a continuing study by him to near that high in World War II, nor has ascertain whether the provisions of ar­ us the fact that prices have continually it since. . increased since the time the compact was ticle V are being complied with. first entered into. Mr. WOLVERTON. Mr. Chairman, Mr. DEMPSEY. The majority of the As to whether or not that has been will the gentleman yield? Members of the compact States would due in whole or in part to the fact that Mr. DEMPSEY. Certainly. have no objection to giving the Attorney a compact existed that curtailed produc­ Mr. WOLVERTON. I wish to make it General any information he desires; but tion is a matter that in my opinion is a plain that there was no thought in my to set up another branch of our Govern­ proper one for the Attorney General at mind, and I do not think anything that ment to check on something that is so all times to observe, and it is for that I said could be properly interpreted that well checked now-better than any of reason that I am willing to support the way, to the effect that the compact com­ our natural resources-I do not think it amendment which is to be offered by the mission representing these different is necessary. Let me say that as the gentleman from Massachusetts. States had ever agreed among the rep­ Governor of the State of New Mexico Mr. BECKWORTH. Mr. Chairman, I resentatives of the States for a price with and as a member of the compact com­ yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from respect to oil. mis~ion, I was representing as a . land­ New Mexico [Mr. DEMPSEY]. I spoke entirely of the economic prin­ owner and an oil producer the University Mr. DEMPSEY. Mr. Chairman, I am ciple involved-that when you curtail of the State of New Mexico. I was rep­ very strongly of the opinion that this production, you necessarily increase resenting the Military Institute of the resolution should be adopted, and I am price. I do not have any evidence, and State of New Mexico, and other State just as strongly of the opinion that the I did not make the charge, that the com­ agencies which had oil land. The Inte­ amendment should not. If I thought pact commission had at any time agreed rior Department of the Federal Govern­ the amendment would do one good on price as between themselves. ment is probably the greatest owner of thing, I would be for the amendment. Mr. DEMPSEY. Let me say to the land in the State of New Mexico, a great Mr. HARRIS. Mr. Chairman, will gentleman from New Jersey that there deal of which is oil-producfng. As a ·the gentleman yield? is no attempt to curb or to reduce pro­ matter of fact, it was from the Secretary Mr. DEMPSEY. I yield. duction except as it will affect the ulti­ of the Interior that the directive as to Mr. HARRIS. Is it not a fact that the mate recovery of oil. As a result of the the proration was received. gentleman from New Mexico now speak­ conservation established through the The CHAIRMAN. The time of the ing was Governor of that great· State, compact States and through their ef­ gentleman from New Mexico has again made a great record there, of which we forts, the ultimate recoverage today is expired. are all aware; but as Governor of the from 30 to 40 percent greater than it was Mr. WOLVERTON. Mr. Chairman, State of New Mexico, is it not a fact that during the years when we were rather the gentleman has been so courteous to the gentleman participated in the activ­ careless about our natural resources. me in giving me an opportunity to ex­ ities of the Oil Compact Commission Today we conserve not only the oil but plain my position that I yield the gentle­ and was actually a ~ember of that com­ the gas. We put the gas through sep­ man one additional minute. mission? arators, taking the gasoline content from Mr. DEMPSEY. In the production of Mr. DEMPSEY. Yes. the gas, giving us a dry gas, which we oil you have to take a lot of elements Mr. HARRIS. Consequently, speak­ put back into the ground, repressuring into account. Formerly, we had wells ing to the committee now is actually a the sand in order to produce more oil. that we considered deep at 3,000 to 4,000 man who has had experience and served Those are the measures which are taken. feet. Today they are shallow wells. To­ on the commission itself for a good Now, if anything had been done in day we are going down 12,000 to 15,000 number of years. connection with the compact which vio­ feet. When those wells are drilled, and Mr. DEMPSEY. I was the represent­ lated or operated against the law, the after they produce, a special allowance ative of the State of New Mexico on this Attorney General of the United States is given, based upon the depth of the 10488 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE AUGUST 21 well, in order that the operator will be and the report goes on to say that the is protected in the operation of this com­ reimbursed for that additional depth. executive secretary of the compact pact. Every consideration is given to the pro­ testified that the purpose of proration If you go back into the history of the duction, based upon one thing: con­ -laws was to prorate the market demands, compact and study the work of the Cole servation-not price. If we would turn and that when you limit the market committee, of which the gentleman .from these wells loose and let them produce demands, of course, you affect the price. New Jersey [Mr. WOLVERTON] was a what they can produce, I think that the I do not see how anybody with elemen­ member, you will find that in the back­ ultimate recovery would be 50 percent tary knowledge of the situation, even ground lay suggestions that the anti­ less. When you have great gas pressure the producers themselves, could seriously trust laws be waived in connection with there "is sometimes created a bottom­ argue that if you keep the level of pro­ solving the critical problem that then hole- condition. · This automatically duction just even with or under the existed as to the production of oil. You deepens the well, and at times it results prospective demands, you are neces­ will find that when the committee re­ in running into ·salt water-which de­ sarily going to at least stabilize the price, ported out this bill it was the same bill stroys the well. So, that is one thing and that it probably has had the further that passed the House and became law. that we, who know something about the effect of increased prices charged for There was a recommendation made in oil business, take into consideration. oil in the last few years. the bill that was reported by this com­ Mr. WOLVERTON. Mr. Chairman, I Then that committee went on to say mittee that there should be established yield 10 minutes to the gentleman from this: a Federal board. To do what? To see Massachusetts [Mr. HESELTON]. It seems to the committee that the inter­ that in the fixing of these so-called al­ Mr. HESELTON. Mr. Chairman, in state oil compact commission has gone far lowables the public interest was pro­ the first place I think it is quite unfor­ beyond the laudatory purposes cited in its tected. tunate that the resolution has to come up compact, the basis upon which the Congress I suggest to you that when you have under existing circumstances. I am un­ acted in approving same. Hence, it is rec­ a situation-and I am not making any ommended that the appropriate committees der no illusions. I realize that a gr~at charges nor is the gentleman from ~ ew many Members who might be interested of the Congress look into the operation of Jersey nor any other Members of the the compact with a view to either rep~al1ng in what the gentleman from New Jersey the authority or the enactment of proper minority-that there has been anything has said and what the minority report amendments to safeguard the public in­ wrong about it. But we did say that says are not· able to be here. I do not terests. where you have the oil-producing States even know whether I want to impose on concerned they have been properly and We are not asking you to repeal the the membership by making any pain~ rightly concerned about the conserva­ compact. We even said in the report tion features and properly and rightly of order of no quorum. I know that that we believed the laudatory purposes many of my friends who are opposed to· c~mcerned about the price structure. this point of view, are here and are quite of the compact should be carried out. You have members of the oil industry properly interested in the prompt pass­ We voted in favor of reporting the com­ coming before the State proration boards age of the resolution without amend­ pact. All in the world we are asking you making estimates of what they think will to do is to make it possible for the pub­ be consumed in the period ahead. You ment. lic and for Congress to know how this The gentleman from New Jersey has have these estimates from all of the compact is operating and whether it is major companies. For instance, at pointed out, as the minority views state, complying with article V. that the Attorney General does not ob­ Texas in the State-wide meeting on May ject to this kind of an amendment; in If you are going to oppose it, I submit 17, 1950, practically every one of the fact, his representative says it is per­ that you are doing nothing more nor company representatives agreed that fectly agreeable to him. I have a letter less than putting blinders · on Congress the amount of crude that would be con­ here add;ressed to me, dated July 9, by and making it impossible for the appro­ sumed was almost the same figure. Hop. Newall A. Clapp, Acting Assistant priate committees of Congress, and this When you have absolutely no one who Attorney General, and I want to read one committee is one of those committees, to is charged with that specific responsi­ sentence: enact amendments to safeguard the pub­ bility to protect the interest of the pub­ It is my u_1derstandin.g that the Depart­ lic interest. That is all that is involved lic, participating in these compact com­ ment has never felt it was under any obli­ in this amendment. mission meetings, deliberations, and rec­ gation to investigate the activities of the Some question has been raised as to ommendations, and certainly no one States as to whether the express purpose of whether or not in the operation of the representing the public in connection the compact has been fulfilled. compact itself there is any effect, direct with the setting of the allowables, we, as That is the Department of Justice it­ or indirect, on the price of oil. I have representatives of the public at large, self saying it has no obligation whatever looked through some of the records. At have our responsibility to provide some to see that the provision of article V, a meeting on April 29 and 30, 1938, at means of checking this to determine which the States have written into a Wichita, Kans., Gov. Walter Huxman, whether there has been any violation of compact itself, have not been violated. of Kansas, said very frankly to those existing law or of the limitations in the I certainly cannot understand the op- who were attending that compact meet­ compact itself. I submit that there is ing: not a Member who will vote against this . position to placing this specific respon­ amendment this afternoon who would sibility in the hands of a department of There 1s no reason in the world why we shouldn't stabilize the price of oil. not support a prosecution, if there was the executive branch of this Govern­ developed in the course of an investi­ ment. It is not just another agency; Dr. Joseph E. Pogue, economist and gation that there was a violation of the it is a department that is charged with vice president of the Chase National antitrust laws. I submit there is not a the carrying out the laws, and particu­ Bank, said: Member here who would tolerate any larly the antitrust laws in this instance. Thus proration, as now operated, is a combination in restraint of trade if it Why anyone should seriously argue that means for preventing waste and at the same was pointed out as a fact. ·But, I do that Department should not discharge tlme is an agency for effectuating and main­ submit all of us have a higher responsi­ its responsibility is really beyond my taining economic equilibrium. bility than to any particular interest or comprehension. · special interest. It is all right for us to It has been stated that there has never This means nothing more nor less than stabilizing the price of the product. be concerned about the conservation of been any complaint made as to the oper­ some particular product. I suppose we ation of the compact. On January 31, Dr. Alexander Sachs, an economist, at might extend that even to the conserva­ 1949, the Special Committee To Study that same meeting said: tion of minerals which are wasted, al­ the Problems of American Small Busi­ Along with that there was an incentive to though we have never done that. I ness in the other body filed its final re­ such development by reason of the collapse think, however, in the long run, any port on oil supply and distribution prob­ of the price structure, and so we have de­ Member of Congress who wants to rep­ lems. It was stated that the executive veloped a stabilized idea, an idea where the focus of interest was the stable price. resent the best interests of the public as secretary of the interstate oil compact a whole, should give serious considera­ commission testified before the commit­ Those, I submit, are statements which tion to the legitimate interests of the tee, and he was asked in terms of the should be conyincing to any of us who public, the consuming public. After all, provisions of the compact a question, are interested in seeing that the public they should be entitled to some consid- 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 10489 eration in connection with this legisla­ to Conserve Oil and Gas, which was signed Kansas, Louisiana, Montana, New Mexico, tion. in the city of Dallas, Tex., the' 16th day of New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Mr. HARRIS. Mr. Chairman, will the February 1935 by the representatives of Okla­ Texas, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Indiana, gentleman yield? homa, Texas, California, and New Mexico, which was deposited in the Department of and at the same time and place was signed State of the United States, and such extend­ Mr. HESELTON. I yield. QY the representatives, as a recommendation ed and renewed compact was, by the Presi­ Mr. HAREIS. The gentleman re­ for approval to the Governors and Legisla­ dent of the United States, presented to ferred, of course, to the antitrust laws. tures, of the States of Arkansas, Colorado, Congress, and Congress gave its consent to Certainly, there is not a member of this Illinois, Kansas, and Michigan, and prior to such extended and renewed compact by Sen­ committee, and of the Congress, I am August 27, 1935, said compact was presented ate Joint Resolution 122 (Public Law 184, sure, who would condone any activity to and approved by the Legislatures and 80th Cong.); and thereafter the representa­ which was in violation of the antitrust Governors of the Stat::s of New Mexico, tives of the States of Kentucky, Illinois, Mis­ laws. it not true that if there were Kansas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Colorado, and sissippi, and Michigan executed counterparts ts Texas, which said compact so approved by of said agreement, which executed counter­ any violation of the antitrust laws under the 6 States last above named was deposited parts were deposited in the Department of the present law, the Department of Jus­ in the Department of State of the United State of the United States. The agreement tice and the Attorney General have the States, and thereafter such compact was, by to extend and renew said compact for a authority, and, in fact, it is the duty the President, presented to the Congress, and period of 4 years from September 1, 1951, of the Attorney General to step in and the Congress gave consent to such compact to September 1, 1955, duly executed by the prosecute any violations which may by House Joint Resolution 407, approved representatives of Alabama, Arka.Iisas, Colo­ exist? August 27, 1935 (Public Resolution No. 64, rado, Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, 74th Cong.), and which said compact was Michigan,. Mississippi, Montana, New Mexico, Mr. HESELTON. That is absolutely thereafter extended and renewed for a pe­ New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, true. But, when the Attorney General riod of 2 years from September 1, 1937, by Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia, has says, as I stated earlier, that during an agreement executed as of the 10th day been deposited in the Department of State the whole course of the 16 years, it was of May 193', by the representatives of the of the United States, and reads as follows: States of Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, New not their understanding that the Depart­ AN AGREEMENT TO EXTEND THE INTERSTATE ment had any obligation to investigate Mexico, Illinois, and Colorado, and was de-. posited in the Department of State of the COMPACT TO CONSERVE OIL AND GAS the activities of the States as to whether United States, and thereafter such extended Whereas, on the 16th day of February, the expressed purpose of the compact and renewed compact was, by the President, 1935, in the city of Dallas, Tex., there was had been fulfilled; and when the At­ presented to the Congress and the Congress executed "An Interstate Compact to Con­ torney General says in answer to a ques­ gave consent to such extended and renewed serve Oil and Gas" which was thereafter tion put to him by the gentleman from compact by Senate Joint Resolution 183, formally ratified and approved by the States New Jersey [Mr. WOLVERTON] that they approved August 10, 1937 (Public Resolution of Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Illinois, had no objection to an amendment which No. 57, 74th Cong.), and which said com­ Colorado, and Kansas, the original of which would spell out that responsibility in pact was thereafter extended and renewed is now on deposit with the Department of for a period of 2 years from September 1, State of the United States, a true copy of this connection, then I think it is high 1939, by an agreement duly executed and which follows: time that the Congress should discharge ratified by the States of Oklahoma, Texas, "AN INTERSTATE COMPACT TO CONSERVE OIL AND its responsibility in seeing to it that the Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, and Michi­ GAS compact really does what it asserts it gan, and was deposited in the Department "Article I does, and that is create real conditions of State of the United States, and there­ after such extended and renewed compact "This agreement may become effective of conservation without affecting price within any compacting State at any time as through some violation of the antitrust was, by the President, presented to the Con­ gress and the Congress gave consent to such prescribed by that State, and shall become laws. extended and renewed compact by House effective within those States ratifying it Mr. HARRIS. The gentleman relied Joint Resolution 329, approved July 20, whenever any three of the. States of Texas, on some meeting in Texas on May 17, 1939 (Public Resolution No. 31, 76th Cong.), Oklahoma, California, Kansas, and New 1950. Is it not a fact that that was a and which said compact was thereafter ex­ Mexico have ratified and Congress has given meeting of the Texas Railroad Commis­ tended and renewed for a period of 2 years its consent. Any oil-producing State may be­ sion that has the jurisdiction and au­ from September 1, 1941, by an agreement come a party hereto as hereinafter provided. thority on a local State level of setting duly executed and ratified by the · States of "Article 11 allowables and carrying out the pro­ Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, New "The purpose of this compact is to con­ visions of the State conservation laws Mexico, Illinois, Michigan, Arkansas, Louisi­ serve oil and gas by the prevention of physi­ ana, New York, and Pennsylvania, and was cal waste thereof from any cause. and that the oil compact had nothing deposited in the Department of State of the whatsoever to do with the meeting? United States, and thereafter such extended "Article III Mr. HESELTON. It is a fact that that and renewed compact was, by the President, "Each State bound hereby agrees that was a State meeting. But, the diffi­ presented to Congress and the Congress gave within a reasonable time it will enact laws, culty, as I have seen it, and I realize that consent to such extended and renewed com­ or if laws have been enacted, then it agrees to there may be a difference of opinion pact by House Joint Resolution 228, ap­ continue the same in force, to accomplish proved August 21, 1941 (Public Law 246, Within reasonable limits the prevention of: about this, is that those States are en­ 77th Cong.), and which compact was there­ "(a) The operation of any oil well with an couraged by the compact commission to after extended and renewed for a period of inefficient gas-oil ratio. operate this particular.. allowable pro­ 4 years from September 1, 1943, by an agree­ "(b) The drowning with water of any cedure and that the allowable procedure ment executed and ratified by representa­ stratum capable of producing oil or gas, or is desired on a Nation-wide basis. It tives of the States of Kansas, Oklahoma, both oil and gas, in paying quantities. is intended to set up a situation where Texas, Colorado, New Mexico, Arkansas, "(c) The avoidable escape into the open there will not be any excess over what Louisiana, and Kentucky, and was deposited air or the wasteful burning .of gas from a in the Department . of State of the natural gas well. will be consumed. Economically, every­ United States and thereafter such ex­ " ( d) The creation of unnecessary fire one of us knows that where you have a tended and renewed cJmpact was, by hazards. situation like that, whether it is oil or the President of the United States, pre­ "(e) The drilling, equipping, locating, wheat or any other commodity, if you sented to Congress and the Congress spacing or operating of a well or wells so do not have more than enough to take gave consent to such extended and renewed as to bring about physical waste of oil or care of the demand, you inevitably affect compact by House Joint Resolution 139, ap­ gas or loss in the ultimate recovery thereof. the price. proved July 7, 1943 (Public Law 117, 78th "(f) The inefficient, excessive or improper The CHAIRMAN. The time of the Cong.) and thereafter the representatives of use of the reservoir energy in producing any the States of Montana, West Virginia, Ala­ well. gentleman has expired. "The enumeration of the foregoing sub­ Mr. BECKWORTH. Mr. Chairman, I bama, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Penn­ sylvania, Ohio, Florida, Tennessee, and jects shall not limit the scope of the author­ have no further requests for time. Indiana executed counterparts of said agree­ ity of any State. Mr. WOLVERTON. Mr. Chairman, I ment, and said counterparts so executed "Article IV have no further requests for time. were deposited in the Department of State "Each State bound hereby agrees that it The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read. of the United States; and which compact will, within a reasonable time, enact statutes, The Clerk read as follows: was thereafter extended and renewed for a or if such statutes have been enacted then Resolved, etc., That the consent of Con­ period of 4 years from the 1st day of Septem­ that it will continue the same in force, pro­ gress is hereby given to an extension and ber 1947 by an agreement executed and ·Viding in effect that oil produced in viola- renewal for a period of 4 years from Sep­ ratified by the representatives of the States tion of its valid oil and/ or gas conservation tember 1, 1951, of the Interstate Compact of Alabama, · Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, statutes or any valid rule, order or regulation XCVII-660 10490 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE AUGUST 21 promulgated thereunder, shall be denied ac­ Oil and Gas". executed in the City of Dallas, THE STATE OF MICHIGAN · cess to commerce; and providing for stringent Texas, on the l6th day of February, 1935, By G. MENNEN WILLIAMS penalties for the waste of either ·au or gas. and now on deposit with the Department of Governor "Article V State of the United States, a correct copy Dated: January 31, 1951 of which appears above, be, and the same· Attest: F. M. ALGER, JR. "It is not the purpose of this compact to hereby is, extended for a period of four (4) Secretary of State authorize the States joining herein to limit years from September 1, 1951, its . present the production of oil or gas for the purpose date of expiration. This agreement . shall THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI of stabilizing or fixing the pr~ce thereof, or become effective when executed, ratified, and By F. L. WRIGHT create or perpetuate monopoly, or to pro­ approved as provided in Article I of the orig­ Governor mote regimentation, but is lir.1ited to the inal Compact. Dated: Nov. 8, 1950 Attest: HEBER LADNER purpose of conserving oil and gas and pre­ The signatory States have executed this venting the avoidable waste thereof within agreement in a single original which shall Secretary of State reasonable limitations. be deposited in the archives of the Depart- . THE STATE OF MONTANA "Article VI ment of State of the United States and a By JOHN W. BONNER "Each State joining herein shall appoint duly certified copy thereof shall be for­ Governor one representative to a commission hereby warded to the Governor of each of the sig­ Dated: November 22nd 1950 constituted and designated as the Interstate natory States. Any oil-producing State may Attest: SAM c. MITCHELL Oil Compact Commission, the duty of which become a party hereto by executing a coun­ Secretary of State said commission shall be to make inquiry terpart of this agreement to be similarly deposited, certified, and ratified. THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO and ascertain from time to time such meth­ By THOMAS J. MABRY ods, practic'es, circumstances, <,nd conditions Executed by the several undersigned states, at their several State capitols, through Governor as may be disclosed for bringing about· con­ Dated:----- servation and the prevention of physical their proper officials on the dates as shown, as duly authorized by statutes and resolu­ Attest: ALICIA ROMERO waste of oil and gas, and at such intervals Secretary of State as said commission deems beneficial it shall tions, subject to the limitation and quali­ report is findings and recommendations to fications of the acts of the respective State THE STATE OF NEW YORK the several States for adoption or rejection. Legislatures. By THOMAS E. DEWEY . "The Commission shall have power to THE STATE OF ALABAMA Governor recommend the coordination of the exercise By JAMES E. FOLSOM Dated: 2-20-51 of the police powers of the several States . Governor Attest: WALTER J. GOING within their several jurisdictions to promote Dated: 12-4-50 Deputy Secretary of State Attest: SIBYL POOL the maximum ultimate recovery from the THE STATE OF OHIO petroleum reserves of said States, and to Secretary of State (SEAL} By FRANK J. LAUSCHE recommend measures for the maximum ulti­ Governor mate recovery of oil and gas. Said Com­ 'THE STATE OF ARKANSAS Dated: 1-3-51 mission shall organize and adopt suitable By SID MCMATH . Attest: CHARLES F. SWEENEY rules and regulations for the conduct of its Governor Secretary of State business. Dated: 10-11-50 "No action shall be taken by the Com­ Attest: c. G. HALL THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA mission except: (1) by the affirmative votes Secretary of State · By ROY J. TURNER of the majority of the whole number of the (SEAL} Governor compacting States represented at any meet­ THE STATE OF COLORADO Dated: Oct. 7, 1950 ing, and (2) by a concurring vote of a ma­ By WALTER W. JOHNSON Attest: WILLIAM CARTWRIGHT jority in interest of the · compacting States Governor · Secretary of State at said meeting, such interest to be deter­ Dated: 12-1-50 Attest: GEo. G. BAKER THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA mined as follows: such vote of each State By JOHN s. FINE shall be in the decimal proportion fixed by Secretary of State (SEAL) Governor the ratio of its daily average production dur­ Dated: 2-21-51 ing the preceding calendar half-year to the THE STATE OF FLORIDA Attest: GERALD SMITH By FULLER WARREN daily average production of the compacting· Secretary of State States during said period. Governor Dated: Nov 15-1950 "Article VII . THE STATE OF TEN.NESSEE Attest: R. A. .GRAY By GORDON BROWNING "No State by joining herein shall become Secretary of State Governor financially obligated to any other State, nor Dated: 2-16-51 shall the breach of the terms hereof by any THE STATE OF ILLINOIS By------Attest: JAMES H. CUMMINGS State subject such State to financial respon­ Secretary of State sibility to the other States joining herein. Governor Dated:------­ "Article VIII THE STATE OF TEXAS Attest: ------By ALLAN SHIVERS · "This compact shall expire September 1, Secretary of State Governor 1937. But any State joining herein, may Dated: October 3, 1950 upon sixty (60) days' notice, withdraw here­ THE STATE OF INDIANA By HENRY F. SCHRICKER Attest: LOUIS SCOTT WILKERSON from. Ass't Secretary of State "The representatives of the signatory Governor States have signed this agreement in a single Dated: 10-25-50 THE STATE OF WEST VmGINIA original which shall be deposited in the. Attest: CHARLES F. FLEMING By OKEY L. PATTERSON archives of the Department of State of the Secretary of State Governor United States, and a duly certified copy shall THE STATE OF KANSAS Dated: · January 8, 1951 be forwarded to the Governor of each of the By------Attest: D. PITT O'BRIEN signatory States. Governor Secretary of State "This compact shall become· effective Dated:------­ when ratified and approved as provided in SEC. 2. The right to alter, amend, or repeal Attest: ------the provisions of section 1 is hereby expressly Article I. Any oil-producing State may be­ Secretary of State come a party hereto by affixing its signature reserved. to a counterpart to be similarly deposited, THE STATE OF KENTUCKY certified, and ratified." By LAWRENCE W. WETHERBY Mr. BECKWORTH (interrupting the Whereas, the said Interstate Compact to · Governor reading of the resolution). Mr. Chair­ Conserve Oil and Gas has heretofore been Dated: December 11, 1950 man, I ask unanimous consent that the duly renewed and extended with the con­ Attest: GEORGE GLENN HATCHER entire resolution be considered as read sent of the Congress to September 1, 1951; · Secretary of State and open to amendment at any point. and, .SUSAN B. RUTHERFORD Assistant Secretary of State The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection Whereas, it is desired to renew and extend to the request of the gentleman from the said Interstate Compact to Conserve Oil THE STATE OF LOUISIANA and Gas for a period of four (4) years from By EARL K. LONG . Texas? September 1, 1951, ·to September 1, 1955; Governor There was no objection. Now, Therefore, This Writing Witnesseth: Dated: November 1, 1950 Mr: HESELTON. Mr. Chairman, I It is hereby agreed that the Compact en­ Attest: WADE o. MARTIN, JR. offer an amendment whiCh is at· the titled "An Interstate Compact to Conserve Secretary of State Clerk's desk. 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 10491 ThF Clerk read as follows: friend and colleague from Massachu­ The original compact extended for 2 Amendment offered by Mr. HESELTON: Page setts [Mr. HESELTON]. I have served years. It has been extended three times 16, after line 18, insert: on the committee with him for a num­ ·for periods of 2 years, and twice, since "SEC. 2. The Attorney General of the ber of years. I want to commend him 1943, for periods of four years. We now United States shall make a continuing study for his diligence and his hard work, his propose to give consent of the Congress of action taken under the compact set forth sincerity, and his conscientious efforts for a further extension of four years in Section I of this Act, with particular at all times in matters wherein the until September 1, 1955. reference to whether any such action is in­ consistent with the purposes of, or contrary American people are affected. Each time the matter of a renewal has to·the limitations and restrictions contained I am opposed to this amendment for arisen, the compact has been highly in, such compact. The Attorney General reasons . that I think are deeply funda­ recommended to the Congress for its shall report to the Congress from time to mental to our American system of Gov­ consent. Presidents Roosevelt and Tru­ time, but not less often than once each year, ernment under the Constitution. man have urged such consent be given, the result of such study." But first, I should like to say that this and the Secretary of Interior, under ' Page 16, line 19, renumber section 2 ac­ matter is before us as passed by the whom is the administration of most of cordingly. Senate. It extends the Oil Compact our natural resources, has likewise made Mr. HESELTON. Mr. Chairman, I Commission for another period of 4 such recommendation for each renewal. shall not take much time, because I years. The Senate, as has already been The present extension has been urged think nearly everyone who was here a said, passed it unanimously, by the Secretary of Interior, the Secre­ few minutes ago has remained here, and INTERSTATE COMPACT TO CONSERVE OIL AND GAS tary of Defense, and the Federal Power heard what I had to say at that time. The interstate compact to conserve Commission. The Attorney General, In terms of what this amendment oil and gas was originally drafted and National Security Resources Board, and would do, I would like to read the pro­ agreed upon by repreoontatives of the the Federal Trade Commission have in­ vision in the Interstate Compact itself oil-producing States in Dallas in 1935. dicated they had no objection to the ex­ toward which the amendment is di­ The Congress consented to the compact, tension. rected. I realize that Members probably in accordance with the requirements of During the 16 years in which the inter­ have not had an opportunity to acquaint article I, section 10, of the Constitution, state oil compact has been in effect and themselves with the full nature of this in August of 1935. Subsequent exten­ the interstate oil compact commission particular eompact. I do not believe it sions of the compact have been made in operation, all member States have en­ has been changed since the original by the States, with the participation in­ acted comprehensive oil and gas conser­ compact was drafted. This is the perti­ creasing from 6 to 20 States, and these vation laws, or greatly improved their nent provision: extensions have been consented to by the existing conservation statutes and regu­ Article V. It is not the purpose of this Congress. lations. Much information has been compact to authorize the States joining The compact, itself, is an instrument compiled and exchanged bearing on the herein to limit the production of oil or gas in the forming of which the House Com­ utilization of casinghead gas, secondary for the purpose of stabilizing or fixing the mittee on Interstate and Foreign· Com­ recovery, and conservation in general. price thereof, or create or perpetuate monop­ merce had much to do. During 1934, a This effort on the part of the States to oly, or to promote regimentation, but is special subcommittee, under the chair­ conserve and prevent physical waste of limited to the purpose of conserving oil and a natural resource so vital to our econ­ gas and preventing the avoidable waste manship of Representative COLE, held thereof within reasonable limitations. extensive hearings upon the general omy and to our defense, has been exceed­ subject of petroleum and the serious sit­ ingly successful and is to be commended. Let me emphasize this: uation then confronting the industry The continuation of such effort is to be "It is not for the purpose to authorize owing to the large discoveries in east fostered. the steps to limit the production of oil or Texas, and the physical waste of oil On these several occasions the author­ gas for the purpose of stabilizing or fixing which ensued. ity for the oil compact has been ex­ the price thereof." · In commenting on this situation, the tended by unanimous consent by both I submit that is the heart of the whole Cole subcommittee said in its report of branches of the Congress. Now we have proposition. January 3, 1935: it before us today having been reported If we can be assured by the Attorney We strongly urge upon the oil-producing by our committee. The resolution to General of the United States, after he States the adoption of State compacts to take a few days recess has already been has made inquiry, that there has been deal with the problems of the production adopted and w~ get out of here Thursday. no such result, then I do not see why we of petroleum with which individual States The compact commission expires Sep­ are powerless to cope. The subcommittee tember 1. The committee reported the have anything to fear. Certainly, I clearly recognizes the principle of State com­ think that everyone who is interested in resolution identical with that reported pacts for the purchase of etfecting a. com­ and passed by the other body. If this the great public interest involved in this mon end of State interests. • • • would feel that they would want to have We are confident that the governors of is not adopted without amendment then the protection of such action by the At­ the oil-producing States and the majority ~s a parliamentary ·situation and pro­ torney General. But if there have been of the industry within these States, are cog­ cedure it must go back to- the other actions taken in violation of existing law nizant of the common-sense theory that body; if not ac~epted, there must be or of the compact itself, I would think waste of petroleum resources must be pre­ a conference between the House and the vented. • • • We believe that they should Senate, and that means there will be all of us would want that to be known be given the opportunity to take the ini­ and prevented. tiative in drafting definite proposals without no opportunity to pass this resolution This amendment would have the sin­ the Congress setting forth in a permissive before September 1 and it will expire. gle result of fixing a specific responsi­ way something in advance for the States to That is the practical situation we have bility in the Department of Justice to adopt. before us. see to it that the facts are established Subsequently in commenting upon the Now to go back to the amendment and and that the Congress be informed of proposed interstate oil compact, Mr. my opposition to it. those facts. It seems to me very difficult COLE, reporting for the entire Interstate I do not know of a time since 1935 to understand why the consumers should and Foreign Commerce · Committee, that the gentleman f.rom New Jersey, not have the benefit of making article V stated: one of the ablest Members of our com­ mean what it says. I cannot believe that As the initial report of the subcommittee mittee and of this House, has raised this their legitimate interests will be entirely will disclose, they gave during the investiga­ question covered by the amendment overlooked in dealing with this legisla­ tion considerable encouragement to the for­ before. I do not know of a thing that tion here today. I yield back the balance mation of the Interstate Compact and are has come to the attention of this com­ of my time, Mr. Chairman. glad to state in this report that which is mittee, any testimony during the course Mr. HARRIS. Mr. Chairman, I rise known to many Members of the House, that of the hearings this time that has justi­ in opposition to the amendment. through the efforts of many progressive gov­ ernors of a number of the oil-producing fied the innuendo or the implication Mr. Chairman, I fully realize the in­ States, and we feel to some extent as a result that State agencies are meeting together, terest constantly manifested in this of the encouragement of the subcommittee, conspiring or permitting any conspiracy problem by our esteemec;i and devoted such a compact has been entered into. on something that was not intended 10492 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE AUGUST . 21 when the Congress extended this author­ ferance of the Federal Government. work they are accomplishing under this ity to them. under the Constitution of .The contrary is true. I do not know program. the United States. I do not know of whether it is an attempt to get an The CHAIRMAN. The question is on anything in the hearings or anywhere amendment in here just to be amending the amendment offered by the gentle­ that has caused any suspicion to develop or not. However, the amendment was man from Massachusetts [Mr. HESEL· in the mind of anyone or the slightest not agreed to. The States have the in­ TON]. information that there has · resulted in herent power through their legislatures The question ·was taken; and on a the course of any meeting of the inter­ to enact legislation reasonably neces­ division (demanded by Mr. HESELTON) state oil compact commission anything sary for protection of the welfare of the there were-ayes 6, noes 58. to raise any suspicion that these State people. Congress cannot limit such So the amendment was rejected. agencies were doing something contrary powers. . . Mr. BECKWORTH. Mr. Chairman, I to the laws of the United States and the Now, he comes up with this proposi­ ask unanimous consent that all Members best interests of the public. This is for tion that the Attorney General of the who so desire may extend their remarks conservation purposes and has proven to United States shall make a continuing at this point in the RECORD. be very effective as such. study. Mind you, the Attorney General The CHAIRMAN: Is there objection Mr. HESELTON. Mr. Chairman, will would be directed by the Congress, un­ to the request of the gentleman from the gentleman yield? der this amendment, to go down to the Texas? Mr. HARRIS. I yield to the gentle­ State agencies who are authorized to do There was no objection. man from Massachusetts. a job, and assume supervisory watch or The CHAIRMAN. Under the rule the Mr. HESELTON. On that point the control over them to determine whether Committee rises. gentleman will agree, will he . not, that or not they are carrying out the pro- Accordingly the Committee rose; and the report of th.e special committee of . visions of this article we are presenting the Speaker having resumed the chair, the other body to which I referred, was here. That is all in the world it does. Mr. PRICE, Chairman of the Committee not filed until 1949; and, consequently, It simply manifests a lack of confidence of the Whole House on the State of the there was no evidence of any kind what­ in stat~ agencies, which is an important Union, · reported that that Committee, soever so far as I know that the gentle­ part of the machine;.·y set up under the having had under consideration the joint man from New Jersey or anyone else had Constitution of the United States, and resolution