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ANSTEORRAN COLLEGE OF Collated Commentary on ILoI 0107

Unto the Ansteorran College of Heralds does Estrill Swet, Retiarius , make greetings.

For information on commentary submission formats to receive a copy of the collated commentary, you can contact me at: Deborah Sweet 824 E 8th, Stillwater, OK 74074 405/624-9344 (before 10pm) [email protected]

Commenters for this issue:

Namron - Ld. Tadhg macAedain uiChonchobhair

Da'ud - Da'ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal

Gawain of Miskbridge – Anchor Herald

Arbalest - I am using the online O&A through March 2001

Elfsea - Wilim Penbras, Timothy of Glastonbury, Anéžka z Rožmitála, Cassandra Palfrey, Rebekah of Newcastle, Yakko, Wakko, Dot. All entries checked against 9th Edition .

Magnus von Lübeck - of Raven's Fort sends commentary on ILoI July 2001. Items checked through February 2001.

Gwenllian ferch Maredudd - All armory has been checked for conflict using the on- Ordinary. Items for which I had no comments and found no conflicts have been omitted.

Stargate - Alden, Cyniric, , Hillary, Kathri (scribe), Mahee, and Medb with the assistance of Mariah, Ailich, and Dunchad. Conflict checks were made with the online O&A on the Ansteorran server as of July 11 through August 8,2001. All names were checked for conflict and none were found. Device checks and other sources are noted on the individual entries. (We're still not commenting on every item yet.)

Collated Commentary on IloI 0107

1) Adelaide de Bourbon (Adlersruhe) New device. Name submitted in the May 2001 LoI. , semy-de lys , a panther passant guardant incensed .

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Arbalest [Device] Conflict with William the Silent January 1973: Or, a natural panther passant guardant sable. One CD for changes to the .

Elfsea [Device] They have gaps in the semy behind the panther. No Conflicts Found.

Gwenllian [Device] I find the arrangement of the fleurs-de-lys odd. They are so regularly spaced on most of the shield and then are entirely missing behind the top portion of the panther. The device is close to but clear of Eleonora van den Bogarde, “[Fieldless] A panther passant facing to dexter sable spotted in various tinctures and incensed proper,” with CDs for fielded v. fieldless armory and the addition of the strewn charges. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] No conflict found.

2. Agrippina Argyra (Bjornsborg) Resubmitted badge. Name registered 11/99. , a tower between five compass stars in annulo Or.

Namron [Badge] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Badge] Purpure, a tower between five compass stars in annulo Or. Usually, SCA an object as "between" discrete objects and as "within" a shaped group of charges (like, say, an annulet). Consider Roland O'Donnell, Purpure, a tower within an of lions rampant Or. There is certainly a CD for the change in type of the secondary charges. There is also probably a CD (per RfS X.4.f.) for the difference between five and, presumably, eight or more secondary charges.

Elfsea [Badge] No Conflicts Found.

Magnus [Badge] Clear of Roland O'Donnell December 1992: Purpure, a tower within an orle of lions rampant Or. One CD for change of type of secondary and a second for number. An orle of charges equates to a semy under precedents and usually involves 9 or more which is a CD from 5.

Gwenllian [Badge] The badge is close to but clear of Roland O’Donnall, Purpure, a tower within an orle of lions rampant Or, with CDs for type and arrangement (and possibly the number) of the secondaries. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Badge] No conflict found.

3. Anne Elizabeth Ross (Steppes) New Device. Name submitted in the May 2001 LoI. , on a argent, a Scottish thistle proper, a embattled argent.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Gawain [Device] There’s nothing here to make this specifically a Scottish thistle: in fact, appearing on other than Scottish royal armory in period would suggest the device is anything but Scottish.

Elfsea [Device] No Conflicts Found. Argument on whether the display of the Thistle on the Lozenge runs afoul of the fact that a Lozenge is also a form of Heraldic Display, like having an Argent banner with a gules cross on a device. While not official you might reference Dame Elsbeth’s draft precedents on this matter.

Magnus [Device] A thistle proper is vert with a bloom purpure.

Gwenllian [Device] I see no need to this as a Scottish thistle rather than as just a thistle, unless the submitter is trying to use the mundane default (gules rather than purpure). If that is the case, blazoning the tincture explicitly would be preferable. Consider Juliane Hebert: Azure, on a lozenge argent an inverted slipped and leaved vert, a chief argent. There is certainly one CD for embattling the chief, but the second CD must come from changes to the tertiary. Even though these are simple arms under RfS X.4.ii.j, I don’t see granting a substantial change of type between a thistle and an acorn. There’s clearly a CD for change of type and possibly one for tincture, but we’re talking about a small portion of the given the prominent position of the slipping and leaving. Clearly, however, this is a judgment call for Zenobia.

Stargate [Device] No conflict found.

4. Brigid of Kincairn (Stonebridge Keep) New name. New device. Gyronny Or and sable, a fusil within a azure.

Namron [Name] No conflicts found. Bridgid: Not checked. Kincairn: Not checked. [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Gyronny Or and sable, a fusil within a bordure azure. Modern heraldic authors notwithstanding, a fusil as a separate, distinct charge, does not exist. "As Roger F. Pye has argued, a fusil is a segment of an indented ordinary." [Baldwin of Erebor, LoAR 9 March 1986, p.7] "The passion nails were blazoned on the LoI as fusils, but (i) fusils do not have an independent existence as a charge...." (Da'ud ibn Auda, LoAR January 1991, p.17). The primary charge here is a lozenge.

Gawain [Device] As I understand it, fusils do not appear in period heraldry singly: the distinction between fusils and based on the acuteness of their angles is post-period. Call this a lozenge.

Arbalest [Device] It is my feeling that the azure charges on the sable parts of the field do not make the charges identifiable. It has been a long-standing Laurel precedent that azure and sable fields are low contrast; therefore the requirement for good contrast between the parts of the device is not met.

Elfsea [Name] Brigid citation seems incomplete using just Withycombe, suggest finding another source, as Withycombe says name not used in common practice until 17th or 18th century. None of the information references Scotland, which is her request for authenticity. [Device] No Conflicts Found.

Magnus [Name] Brigid: Withycombe gives this spelling and it looks like Middle Irish from the text. The English form was Bridgett but we regularly register Brigid with an English name. Kincairn is a place from Wyccad, a Steven Rimmer novel about witchcraft. I would recommend Kincarn as there are dated examples of the name elements used in actual place-names. Kin from Room, Dictionary of Irish Place-Names, page 77-78 header Kinlough 'head of the lake' and Kindrum 'head of the ridge'. Johnston, Place-Names of Scotland, page 154 header Kinnaber gives Kinabyre from 1200 'head of the estuary'. Carn from Room, Dictionary of Irish Place-Names, page 15 header Ardcarn 'height of the carn'. To date the name The Dioceses of Ireland Territorial History http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/kilkenny/2/diocese.htm "A monastery was founded at Ardcarn in the 6th century and at the Synod of Rathbreasail in 1111 Ardcarn was chosen as one of the five dioceses of Connacht. At the Synod of Kells in 1152, Ardcarne was amalgamated with the Sees of Elphin, Roscommon and Drumcliff to form the present diocese of Elphin." [Device] Blazon as Gyronny Or and sable, a lozenge with a bordure azure since the fusil has no independent existence outside of an ordinary.

Gwenllian [Device] The primary is a lozenge, not a fusil, which can only exist as a part of a charge such as “a of five fusils conjoined.” See the Pic-Dic (s.n. fusil) for additional examples. The key here is that, contrary to what many modern heraldry books say, a fusil is not simply a skinny lozenge. The bordure needs to be drawn wider. Close to but clear of Moira Maureen ua Seamus of the Green Hills, “Per azure and vert, a fusil argent,” with CDs for the field and the addition of the bordure (Moira’ device was registered in 1980, hence the single fusil). Also close to but clear of Finnian the , “Per gules and sable, a lozenge within an annulet argent,” with CDs for the field and change of type of the secondary. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] We found that the combination of an azure charge and a field that's half sable obscured the lozenge so much we couldn't identify it. Gyronny of six won't really help, nor will anything else we thought of.

5. Christianna O’Ruarke (Wiesenfeuer) New Name. New Device. Sable in pale a swan naiant and a argent.

Namron [Name] No conflicts found. Christiana: Not checked. O'Ruarke: Not checked. [Device] No conflicts found.

Elfsea [Name] Seems Fine, no Woulfe on hand to check reference. [Device] No Conflicts Found

Magnus [Name] O'Ruarke looks like a modern spelling of the name. At any rate it is anglicized rather than Gaelic so it isn't a mix of languages. O Ruairc would be a late period spelling from the documents. [Device] This lovely design involves two very common SCA charges and the conflicts possible are legion. 1. Consider Æduuard of Haxeholm November 1993: Sable, masoned argent, a rose and a chief embattled argent" There is no CD for the field or the masoning. There is a CD for change of type for removing the chief which is a secondary and a CD for change of type to half of the primary by adding the swan to the primary group. I don't believe X.1 or X.2 will help since we aren't affecting the entire primary group. "[(Fieldless) On a tower sable masoned Or, a 's head argent] Conflict with Frederic of the West Tower, Argent, a tower sable, on its base a cross patonce voided argent. Upon examining the emblazon for Frederic, it is clear that the cross is argent, so there is only the CD for fieldlessness. [Implying no CD for the masoning.] [Thomas of Calais, 6/99, R-Atlantia]" 2. Enola of Ensconce August 1979: Sable, a garden rose bendsinsterwise slipped and leaved proper, distilling un gout de sang between a mullet and a cross argent. Again a CD for adding the swan to the primary group and a CD for removing the secondary group mullet and sun cross. 3. Elayna Amavia June 1986: Sable, a chevron inverted and in chief a rose argent, barbed vert, seeded of a heart gules. CD change to type of primary group, removing secondary group. X.1 also applies here to clear it since we remove the primary charge of the chevron. 4. Katerina von Halberstadt December 1998: Sable, a chevron rompu and in base a rose argent. X.1 also applies here to clear it since we remove the primary charge of the chevron. So it looks clear of conflict, I hope.

6. Daniel de Bourdon (Adlersruhe) New Device. Name submitted in the May 2001 LoI. Per chevron vert ermined Or and sable, a horse rampant Or.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Per chevron vert ermined Or and sable, a horse rampant Or. Conflict with D{a'}ith{i'} {O'} Briain, Per pale gules and sable, a horse rampant Or. There is but one CD, for the changes to the field.

Gawain [Device] One of the characteristics of period emblazon is stability of design and rendering, as opposed to the dynamism of much modern art. This horse is most unstable and indeed appears to be in the process of falling backward. It really should be redrawn.

Arbalest [Device] Conflict with Dáithí Ó Briain via Atlantia July 2000: Per pale gules and sable a horse rampant Or. One CD for changes to the field.

Elfsea [Device] Conflict Found with Dáithí Ó Briain (registered July 2000 via Atlantia): Per pale gules and sable, a horse rampant Or.

Magnus [Device] The submitter should withdraw the item so the corrected one can be submitted.

Gwenllian [Device] The per chevron division here is much to shallow and thus blurs the distinction between per chevron and a point pointed. This has been a reason for return a number of times in the recent past. See, for example, a return from Jaelle of Armida that says, “The device is being returned for a redraw. As drawn it is not on a per chevron field, nor is the charge in base a point pointed” (LoAR November 1996, p. 13) As a further problem, the device conflicts with that of Dáithí Ó Briain, “Per pale gules and sable, a horse rampant Or, “ with only the one CD for changes to the field.

Stargate [Device] Per Asterisk, this device has been withdrawn.

7. Dior Algrant (Bryn Gwlad) New device. Name registered 04/99. Argent, a woman armed cap-a-pie maintaining a lance palewise mounted on a winged stag salient, on a chief vert, three fleur-de-lys argent, and a base vert a fleur- de-lys argent.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Argent, a woman armed cap-a-pie maintaining a lance palewise mounted on a winged stag salient, on a chief vert, three fleur-de-lys argnet, and a base vert a fleur-de-lis argent. The lance isn't really "palewise"; it is set a few degrees off the vertical. The cleanest fix would be to drop the orientation of the lance entirely from the blazon. (Palewise would be the expected default in any case, and by dropping the orientation entirely, we allow the artist to arrange it in whatever way seems most visually pleasing.) Salient is a posture very nearly like rampant, in that the body of the in that posture is almost vertical. That is clearly not the case here, where the angle of the body of the monster is somewhere between fesswise and bendwise sinister. Indeed, I'm not quite certain how to reproducibly blazon the orientation/posture of the winged stag. (As is required by RfS VII.7.b.) The fact that both the woman and the monster are flying to sinister has been left out of the blazon. The overall style of the device is a bit confusing; having a chief and a base which are identical in and charged with identical charges makes this look much more like Vert semy-de-lys argent, on a "Canadian" fess a woman .... The plural of fleur-de-lys is fleurs-de-lys. Finally, because of the combination of the wings, the addition of the rider, and the fact that her lance overlies the attires, the "stag" takes some deciphering to realize what the charge is. The immediate recognition is that it is a ; it's only after much more careful review of the emblazon that the fact it is a winged stag can be ascertained. RfS VII.7.a. requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance."

Gawain [Device] The stag is salient to sinister.

Elfsea [Device] This device has absolutely no identifiably of the tertiary charge of the woman. There is simply no way I could reproduce this. Further the Fleurs-di-Lys need to be fed as they do not use the space provided well at all. This should be returned, no conflict check performed on this device.

Magnus [Device] The name is Dior Alagrant. Add to the blazon "...on a winged stag salient to sinister." There has been some discussion on slot machine heraldry with this device. If the lance is small enough to be a maintained charge it is OK. If it is large enough to be sustained then it is a slot machine return. The lance is much larger than the woman carrying it. A lance has been registered as maintained before Pawel Aleksander od Zerania May of 1986 (via the East): Azure, a man armed cap-a-pie and maintaining a lance and shield argent, between in chief two plates. January 1999 LoAR Béibhinn Ní Dhonnamháin. Name and device. "Vert, a falcon close contourny and a lion rampant Or maintaining between them a sword argent, on a chief Or a harp vert. Note: this is not slot machine since the sword is maintained and not sustained." January 1998 LoAR Sean Cullin Redhawk. Device. "Quarterly argent and sable, in a sword inverted bendwise sinister proper and an 's talon bendwise, clasping a gules. This is being returned for violation our rule on slot machine, three different charges in the same charge group. If a charge is sustaining another it is considered two different charges in the same group, unlike a maintained charge." So send it to the CoA for a ruling on maintained lances. The complexity is 8 so the submission has a lot going on.

Gwenllian [Device] The stag is contourny and is not really in the usual salient position, in which the back would be at a much steeper angle. I’m not sure, in fact, that the stag’s position is blazonable which would be a reason for return. Blazon notes: “three fleurs-de-lys” and “on a base.” No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] If the wings were back enough to be uninvolved with the woman, and the head of the stag was forward enough to be uninvolved with the lance, and the lance was shorter, this would be a much better primary charge group. As it is, we've got a winged quadruped with a blob on its back.

8. Elizabeth Curry (Brad Leah) Resubmitted Household Name – Greyhound Pack.

Namron [Household Name] No conflicts found. Greyhound: Appears okay. Pack: Not checked.

Gawain [Household Name] She has presented evidence for “pack” being used to refer to people, but here she’s using it to refer to greyhounds. What next, a household named “The Sheep Flock” or “The School of Fish”?

Elfsea [Household Name] Resources cited not available, but I find the construction of the name questionable, and then possibly too generic. I might suggest “The Greyhound Pack of Brad Leah”

Magnus [Household Name] The conflict has been cleared and it is also clear of Calygreyhound Herald June 1991. This establishes both the name and the designator as period 15th-16th century. Next, using English Sign Names by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/inn/#Animals gives Grayhound from 1522 as an inn sign. So it was displayed on an inn sign and can be a household name.

9. Elyssa de Orozco (Mooneschadowe) New Name.

Namron [Name] No conflicts found. Elyssa: Appears okay. De Orozco: Not checked.

Elfsea [Name] Well documented name.

10. Êtain O’Rourke (Brad Leah) New Name. New device. Per pale vert and argent, on a pawn a shamrock, all counterchanged.

Namron [Name] Not checked. Etain: Appears okay. O'Rourke: Not checked. [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Name] Which is it to be? Is the 12th Century or 16th Century most important to her? Because they are vastly different, and there is no way to decently call this "authentic" for either one. Êtain is an early feminine given name, and would take a feminine version of the earlier O Ruairc; O'Rourke is an anglicized masculine byname, and would only appear with a later anglicized form of the given name. Laurel is allowing mixed orthographies (not within individual elements, but within names), so this may be registrable, but only if we ignore her desires for "authenticity to 12th century or 16th century Irish time periods." [Device] Per pale vert and argent, on a pawn a shamrock, all counterchanged. The primary charge is a chess-, not a "pawn". The chess-rook needs to be smaller, and the shamrock larger.

Gawain [Name] If she really does want an authentic Irish name, the surname needs to be changed to a period Irish form: Looking at O’C&M, p. 90, how about “Étaín inghean uí Ruairc”? [Device] According to the PicDic, this is a chess rook, not a chess pawn. It’s necessary to specify that it’s a chess piece, especially as a rook is a corvine . The shamrock should be drawn larger.

Elfsea [Name] No problems found. [Device] The primary charge appears to be a Rook, not a pawn. The charge in the Pict Dict that this most resembles is a Room {Retiarius: really, that’s what it said}. The Shamrock is very small, and should be enlarged.

Magnus [Name] The name given is actually Étaín. This is a Gaelic name mixed with Anglicized clan byname. O’Rourke looks like the modern spelling but we still register it. It can be put in 12th century Gaelic as Étaín ingen uí Ruairc and 16th century Gaelic as Éadaoin inghean uí Ruairc. OCorrain & Maguire, Irish Names, page 90, header Étaín and page 158. She has requested 3 different forms of the name and only allows minor changes. Authenticity was also requested from two different eras of the Irish language, for a mixed Gaelic/English name, and combination of 12th century and modern name elements. Perhaps this will explain her options so she can select one of the names. I suspect the submitted form is registerable with one weirdness. [Device] It is a chess rook, not a pawn.

Gwenllian [Device] The primary charge is a chess rook, not a pawn. No conflicts found.

11. Évrard de Macon (Brad Leah) New Name.

Namron [Name] No conflicts found. Evrard: Appears okay. De Macon: Not checked.

Elfsea [Name] No problems found.

Magnus [Name] Evrard: The source warns this is the modern spelling and the other articles on French names spell it without the accent. de Mâcon: Dauzat, Noms de Famille, page 403 s.n. Macon has the name originating as de Mâcon.

12. Gates Edge, of (Gates Edge) New badge. Name registered 01/92. [Fieldless] A gauntlet sinister vert sustaining in its grasp a fetterlock argent.

Namron [Badge] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Badge] A gauntlet sinister vert sustaining in its grasp a fetterlock argent. The charge is a sinister gauntlet. The fact that the fetterlock is framing the gauntlet needs to be noted in the blazon, but "within and sustaining" sounds extremely odd.

Gawain [Badge] I don’t think the emblazon can be recovered from the blazon. Maybe something like “A sinister gauntlet within and grasping a fetterlock argent” would work. The whole “sustaining” vs. “maintaining” nonsense is avoided because the relative sizes of the charges are pretty much fixed by their arrangement.

Elfsea [Badge] No Conflicts Found.

Magnus [Badge] How do we blazon the gauntlet grasping the top vs the bottom of the fetterlock?

Gwenllian [Badge]. The SCA default for a fetterlock is unlocked so this one must be blazoned as locked or closed. The gauntlet must also be described as clenched since the default is apaumy (see the Pic-Dic s.n. hand). Reblazon: “[Fieldless} A sinister gauntlet clenched vert sustaining in its grasp a closed fetterlock argent.” I’m concerned that this blazon does not adequately describe the position of the fetterlock. It could, for example, be held by the bolt with the semi-circular part above the gauntlet rather than the way it is depicted here. A clumsier, but more precise blazon might be: “[Fieldless] A closed fetterlock argent dependent from a sinister gauntlet clenched vert.” I’m not really happy with that blazon either since it doesn’t convey the size of the fetterlock. Maybe we should just leave it up to Zenobia. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Badge] SCA defaults for fetterlocks are open (unlocked) and bolt to base. We need to specify the relative position of the gauntlet and the fetterlock. Consider "[Fieldless] A gauntlet sinister vert within and sustaining a closed [or locked] fetterlock argent." Since the gauntlet isn't "inverted" it could only be grasping the top (hoop?) of the fetterlock. Although it's not completely, exactly "within" . . .

13. Gavin MacIain (Trelac) Resubmitted device. Name registered 10/99. Per chevron checky vert and argent and vert, in base a hawk rising, wings displayed and inverted argent.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Elfsea [Device] Conflict found with Sanche O’Connor (registered July 1997 via Atenveldt): Per chevron vert and azure, in base a hummingbird, wings addorsed, argent. We count 1 for field, and that is all.

Magnus [Device] Versus Jehan de la Marche January 1973: Gules, a rising, pierced by an arrow, both argent. One CD for the field and another for crow vs hawk. Versus Llewellan Gwynn June 1987: Per fess indented of two points sable and argent, in chief an eagle rising argent. One CD for the field. There shouldn't be a CD for type for eagle vs hawk. There isn't a CD for change of position because it is forced by the argent checky field. So it conflicts.

Stargate [Device] The line of division would be clearer if the bottom of this device did not share a tincture with the checky top, but we didn't think it was bad enough to return. For one thing, the line of division does not run at a 45-degree angle to the checks. For another, this is so much better than the submitter's earlier submissions.

14) Ivo Blackhawk (Mooneschadowe) Resubmitted Device. Name registered 07/99. Argent, two chevronels gules and overall an eagle displayed sable.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Argent, two chevronels gules and overall an eagle displayed sable. Conflict with Caitlin Stuart, Argent, two chevronels gules, overall a passant sable, gorged of a embattled, dependent therefrom a chain Or. There is but one CD, for changing the type of the overall charge.

Elfsea [Device] Conflict found with Caitlin Stuart (registered May 1982 via the Middle): Argent, two chevronels gules, overall a dragon passant sable, gorged of a crown embattled, dependent therefrom a chain Or. We count 1 for change of type of secondary charge.

Magnus [Device] Versus Caitlin Stuart May 1982: Argent, two chevronels gules, overall a dragon passant sable, gorged of a crown embattled, dependent therefrom a chain Or. There is a CD for change of type and should be for change of posture from displayed to passant.

Gwenllian [Device] Nice cant! Close to but clear of Robert of Dragon's Mark, “Argent, two chevronels gules, overall a dirk inverted sable within a bordure embattled gules,’ with a CD for the change of type of the overall charge and another for removing the bordure. It should also be clear of Caitlin Stuart, “Argent, two chevronels gules, overall a dragon passant sable, gorged of a crown embattled, dependent therefrom a chain Or.” There’s a CD for changing the type of the overall charge and, I would think, a second one for posture – from passant to displayed.

15. Katrine la Escolpiera (Northkeep) Resubmitted name. New device. Per saltire sable and azure, in saltire two crutches, in chief a mug, and in base a stump Or.

Namron [Name] Not checked. Katrine: Appears okay. la Esclopiera: Not checked. [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Per saltire sable and azure, in saltire two crutches, in chief a mug, and in base a stump Or. The device can be blazoned more succinctly as: ... two crutches between in pale a mug and a stump Or. If the crutches were drawn more boldly this would look less like slot-machine heraldry. RfS VII.3. states that: "Artifacts that were known in the period and domain of the Society may be registered in armory, provided they are depicted in their period forms." Period crutches (called "potents" [Thus Chaucer, in his description of 'Elde,' that is, old age, says,-- "So olde she was, that she ne went A fote, but it were by potent."], whose form led to the depiction of both the cross potent and the variant of called potent [see, e.g., Parker, A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry, cf. "Potent"]) have straight cross- pieces, not curved. The crutches here are not shown in their period form.

Gawain [Name] If she wants the sound of “Kate”, this form isn’t going to do the job, as its first syllable is pronounced “cat”. Have no idea what she means by the meaning of “Kate.” It would have been useful to tell us what the byname is intended to mean. [Device] The crosspiece of the crutches are so tiny as to be nearly invisible, not to mention non- functional. The stump is “snagged.”

Arbalest [Device] I agree with Magnus' comments on slot machine heraldry.

Elfsea [Name] No problems. [Device] No conflicts found.

Magnus [Name] If she wants Kateryne this article documents it. If you need assistance with name documentation, please ask. There is no reason to send in a name with no documentation nowadays. http://www.s- gabriel.org/names/mari/dymock/dym_women.html Feminine Given Names in the Registers of the Church of St. Mary's, Dymock (Gloucestershire, England: 1538-1600) by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan Kateryne dated to 1539. The name does mix English and French but is registerable. Catharine from 1528 in Talan's article would be an attested French form. The names are from Toulouse which I believe spoke Occitan (Languedoc) rather than French. [Device] This must be returned for having more than two types of charges in the primary group.

Gwenllian [Device] If the crutches were drawn larger, they would be more obviously the primary charge group. As currently drawn, it almost looks like a group of three different primaries (slot-machine). According to the Pic-Dic (s.n. staff), crutches are a period charge, but the Pic-Dic depiction shows them with straight arm-pieces (thus producing a t-shape and explaining the alternate name of “potent”). The secondaries could be more succinctly blazoned, “between in pale a mug and a stump.” No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] The submitter should be advised that long thin charges (like crutches, swords, spears, etc.) should not be drawn along a line of division.

16) Kimball Ross (Steppes) New Name. New device. Or, on a cross nowy lozengy azure, four lozenges one, two, and one Or.

Namron [Name] Not checked. Kimball: Appears okay. Ross: Not checked. [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Or, on a cross nowy lozengy azure, four lozenges one, two, and one Or. Umm, "nowy lozengy" is a bit confusing at first blush. No part of the cross is "lozengy", unless in the sense that the four tertiary lozenges might be considered "semy of lozenges". There is a single early (1983) registration of a "cross nowy lozengy", but blazons that old are not necessarily the kind of example we should follow now. The Pictorial Dictionary, 2nd ed., cf. "Cross", #198, discusses the "cross nowy" and says: This is circular by default, but other shapes are possible: e.g. a "cross nowed of an estoile" or a "cross nowy quadrate". But the only "cross nowed" in the Armorial is a 1986 registration that does not further describe the line of division, leading me to believe it should in fact be a "cross nowy". And, indeed, the term "nowed" in heraldry has another meaning, "knotted", as in "a lion tail nowed". Parker's A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry, cf. "Cross", §25, of a cross nowy states: When the term is used by itself it is supposed to signify that the arms of the cross, instead of meeting and forming right-angles, stop at the edge of a circle, which, so to speak, cuts off the angles; at least, it is represented thus in the drawing given in Edmondson. Thence varieties are imagined, viz. nowy lozengy, nowy masculy, &c., with each of the angles filled by a projection of half a lozenge, mascle, &c., but no examples are named. Nowy quadrate, however, is applied when the projections appear to form a square, and an example will be found figured in the Arms of LICHFIELD under cross §31. (emphasis added) There is a single SCA registration of a "cross nowy of a lozenge"; perhaps we would do best to follow that example here. Blazon fu: Or, on a cross nowy of a lozenge azure, four lozenges one, two, and one Or.

Elfsea [Name] Kimball in that form is not cited with a date and another form should be chosen. Further, this is a surname not a first name. [Device] I would make the argument that the placement of the four lozenges cannot be limited to the ‘lozenge’ of the cross, and in fact would better interpret this blazon to have a lozenge on each arm of the cross. The arms of the cross in general need to be larger, and should meet more to the center of the shield. We firmly believe you cannot reproduce this emblazon from this blazon. We cannot find a reference to a lozengy nowy either. No conflicts found, but problems forgo a complete check.

Magnus [Name] Kimbel is the closest spelling that could be found. We register header names from Reaney & Wilson when used as surnames but I am not too sure a variant surname supports a variant spelling as a given name here.

Gwenllian [Device] According to the Pic-Dic (s.n. cross), “The “cross nowy” (literally “knotted”) doesn’t refer to a peculiar knotting or fretting, but is used in the sense of a knot of wood: a node or lump at the intersection. This is circular by default but other shapes are possible.” The arms of Annora Steward, registered in 1993, blazon this variation as a “cross nowed of a lozenge.” Consider Angelique de Roche, “Or, on a cross nowy quadrate azure, a lioness' head cabossed Or.” There’s a CD for changing type and number of the tertiaries, but a second CD rests on granting a difference between a cross nowy quadrate and a cross nowed of a lozenge. I didn’t find any specific precedents on the subject, but we generally don’t grant a CD between crosses that are variants of the same type (like crosses bottony and crosslet or patonce and fleury). This may fit into that same pattern.

Stargate [Device] We questioned the blazon "a cross nowy lozengy," given that Parker defines it but gives no examples. However, we found that "a cross nowy of a lozenge" was registered in 1993 (Annora Steward 12/93 via Calontir) and "a cross nowy lozengy Or pierced of a lozenge" in 1983 (Mordred Mjothvitner 12/83 via the East).

17) Líadan of Sparewehavene (Mooneschadowe) New name. New device. Argent, a chevron gules between three sparrows proper.

Namron [Name] Not checked. Liadan: Appears okay. Sparewehavene: Not checked. [Device] No conflicts found.

Arbalest [Device] Conflict with Basileios Philanthropenos Philomathes via Meridies January 2000: Argent a chevron between three crosses of Jerusalem gules. One CD for changes to type of secondary charges.

Elfsea [Name] No problems, but dates on first name would be good. [Device] No Conflicts Found

Magnus [Name] Líadan: Gaelic given name. O Corrain also gives her as the mother of St Ciaran which places it around 530 or earlier and I don't find the name later in any of the Annals. This appears to be an Old Irish saint's name. Sparewehavene: Reaney & Wilson page 221 s.n. Haven gives Nigel de Hauen 1200 'dweller by the harbor' from Old English. Bardsley, page 706 s.n. Sparrow gives Adam Sparowe 1379 and Robert Sparrow 1529. Given the example of Keyhaven, Sparowehaven or Sparrowhaven is a plausible name for a harbor frequented by large flocks of sparrows or near an estate owned by a family named Sparrow. When you try to combine these period names things go haywire. The first is Old Irish and the second is Middle English or later. Gaelic didn't form locatives this way. There is also a 600 to 1000 year time difference between the two names. I really don't know how to correct the construction problems. I can only quote Bryn Gwlad, "Leah is found on p. 192 of Withycombe, who says, It was first used as a Christian name in England by 17th C. Puritans. A possible alternative spelling, Lia, is dated to 1191 on p. 65 of Reaney & Wilson (under Bristow). Anna is dated to 1031-1060 in France on p. 25 of Withycombe (under Ann)." Leah is also a Jewish name in period England 1070-1290. Jewish Naming Convention in Angevin England by Eleazar ha-Levi http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/jewish.html Leah Annas of Sparrowhaven may work. Reaney & Wilson page 12 header Annas gives Anness as variant spellings of a surname John Anneys from 1296. This would fix the language and double given name problems this submission has had. [Device] This corrects the contrast problem. The only two registered sparrows proper couldn't be registered today due to the Linnaean heraldry ban of 1991. Possibly we could reblazon this a sparrow proper. Douglas of Roteland March 1981: Argent, perched on an axe fesswise sable a sparrow [Passer domesticus] close contourny proper, in chief a Latin cross vert. Ignatius of Man April 1980: Vert, on a chevron argent between three pine trees on mounts Or three English sparrows [Passer domesticus] close proper.

Gwenllian [Device] What tincture are the sparrows? If they are brown, it would be best to blazon them as “brown sparrows proper.” If they are some other heraldic tincture, I would use that term rather than the ambiguous proper. If they’re not a heraldic tincture, the device must be returned. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Name] It appears that this version has two weirdnesses – temporality and Gaelic-English orthography. However, a close look at the submission history suggests a solution. To quote the explanation of the college action: "[Leah Anna of Sparrowhaven is] returned because "Leah" is not pronounced "Lee", though the submitter said the sound "Lee Anna" was most important, and because we could not document "Sparrowhaven" within the bounds of minor changes" [AG 199904 p 17]. The submitter has obviously changed the previous requirements by submitting this version. Therefore, it is possible that she would now accept the form that Talan Gwynek documented, to wit: "The upshot of all this is that Lia Anne de Sparewehavene is certainly registerable as a pretty unlikely English name c.1200" [ibid]. If it can be determined that the submitter wants this name, Kathri can provide Talan-in- electronic-format. (Summarized here because the original is a full column, and those of us who were privileged to become accustomed to his style learned to skip to the last paragraph, which is quoted in full above, for the gist of the matter.) [Device] No conflict found. Per Asterisk, the sparrows on the device are brown, so this should be blazoned ". . .three brown sparrows proper."

18) Malachi Morgan (Westgate) New device. Name registered 02/00. Per sable and gules a bend cotised argent between two lions argent.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Per bend sable and gules a bend cotised argent between two lions argent. "In blazoning a in which two or more Charges of the same Tincture immediately follow each other in the Blazon, it is not necessary to mention the tincture until all the Charges of such Tincture have been specified." (John E. Cussans, Handbook of Heraldry, 1882, p. 161) We can safely drop the first "argent" from the blazon.

Gawain [Device] Period usage would have distorted these lions to more nearly fill their spaces. This looks more like something from the 18th C.

Arbalest [Device] Consider Olaf the Strong via Meridies December 1995: Per bend sable and gules, a bend between an ax and an ax inverted reversed argent. One difference for change to the type of secondary and a possible second for a bend cotised vs. a bend.

Elfsea [Device] The cotising on the bend could use to be less distant form the bend itself in to leave more room for the lions. No Conflicts Found.

Magnus [Device] Blazon as Per bend sable and gules, a bend cotised between two lions argent.

Gwenllian [Device] The first “argent” can be dropped from the blazon. Close to but clear of Olaf the Strong, “Per bend sable and gules, a bend between an ax and an ax inverted reversed argent,” with CDs for adding the cotises and changing the type of the secondaries. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] No conflict found.

19) Monica de la Cueva (Brad Leah) Resubmitted Device. Name registered 02/00. , a pomegranate vert, seeded gules, slipped and leaved vert, all in a bordure sable.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Ermine, a pomegranate vert, seeded gules, slipped and leaved vert, all in a bordure sable. [Actually, the pomegranate is within the bordure, not "in" it.] Dude! Make the pomegranate smaller, so the bordure can be drawn like a bordure, and not just heavy outlining.

Elfsea [Device] No Conflicts Found.

Magnus [Device] The bordure needs to be wider but this clears the conflict with Granada.

Gwenllian [Device] The bordure is much too narrow and should be redrawn. Close to but clear of Granada, “Argent, a pomegranate slipped and leaved vert seeded gules” with CDs for the field and the bordure. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] This bordure is unregisterably small. Shrink the pomegranate and grow the bordure. No conflict found.

20) Morgan Buchanan (Steppes) New device. Name submitted in the May 2001 LoI. Or, a pale and on a chief azure, three Or.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Elfsea [Device] No Conflicts Found

Gwenllian [Device] This motif of a pale and a chief of the same tincture is found in Spanish armory under the name “jefe palo,” according to L.G. Pine’s International Heraldry as cited in “Regional Style Heraldry in the SCA” by Alison MacDermot and Da’ud ibn Auda (p. 12). It has been registered in the SCA several times, most recently in the arms of Grainne ingen Murchada in April 2000. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] No conflict found. Please advise the submitter to draw the chief a bit deeper.

21) Muirenn Faulkner (Westgate) New device. Name registered 02/00. Argent, a falcon sable and a on a chief sable three fountains.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Argent, a falcon sable and on a chief sable three fountains. "In blazoning a Coat of Arms in which two or more Charges of the same Tincture immediately follow each other in the Blazon, it is not necessary to mention the tincture until all the Charges of such Tincture have been specified." (John E. Cussans, Handbook of Heraldry, 1882, p. 161) We can safely drop the first "sable" from the blazon.

Arbalest [Device] Unfortunately this violates a Laurel precedent from March 1988. Commenting on Jean d'Eaux Argent on a tombstone a : "Also were the fountain to be drawn properly on the emblazon (it’s a plate charged with three barrulets wavy azure), it would not appear at all round since the azure tends to fade into the sable." I would argue that this holds true with this submission also.

Elfsea [Device] Suggest reblazon to “Argent, a falcon on a chief sable three fountains.” The chief could be enlarged and the fountains with it. Conflict Found : Alesia de Maris of Ravenstar (registered December 1987 via the East): Argent, a raven close, on a chief sable three mullets Or. We count 1 for change of type and color of tertiary charge group.

Magnus [Device] Blazon as Argent, a falcon and on a chief sable three fountains. Versus Jennifer Keruer January 1992: Argent, a Cornish and on a chief embattled sable three plates. One CD for embattling the chief and one for Cornish chough vs falcon, see January 2000 Cover letter. Versus Alesia de Maris of Ravenstar December 1987: Argent, a raven close, on a chief sable three mullets Or. One CD for changes to tertiary and one for raven vs falcon, see January 2000 Cover letter. Berengaria of Caer Mear September 1995: Sable, a fountain between , a chief argent. This places a fountain on a sable field 7 years after the March 1988 " Art Deco toilet" precedent concerning contrast issues with a fountain on sable background. Jean d'Eaux LoAR March 1988 is amusing to read. Thankfully, the art deco toilet was returned.

Gwenllian [Device] Nice cant! The chief needs to be wider to better accommodate the fountains. Falcons are close by default so the posture does not need to be specified, but the first sable can be dropped from the blazon. Close to but clear of Alesia de Maris of Ravenstar, “Argent, a raven close, on a chief sable three mullets Or,” with CDs for raven v. falcon and changing the type and tincture of the tertiaries. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] No conflict found. This chief is unregisterably small, but submitter's representative promises corrected drawings by the time of the kingdom decision meeting.

22) Ochoa Ramirez de Orozco (Mooneschadowe) New Name.

Namron [Name] Not checked. Ochoa: Appears okay. Ramirez: Not checked. de Orozco: Not checked.

Elfsea [Name] No Problems Found.

Stargate [Name] Good documentation.

23) Paloma de Orozco (Mooneschadowe) New name.

Namron [Name] Not checked. Paloma: Appears okay. de Orozco: Not checked.

Elfsea [Name] No Problems Found.

Stargate [Name] Good documentation.

24) Reviaka Rostovskoi (Bonwicke) New device. Name submitted on the May 2001 LoI. Argent, a inverted purpure between two compass stars gules and a cross bottony sable.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Argent, a pall inverted purpure between two compass stars gules and a cross bottony sable. The charge in base appears to be a Latin cross bottony.

Elfsea [Device] By the emblazon in the ILOI we find a conflict with all known photographs of the real Santa Claus. Otherwise, No Conflicts Found.

Gwenllian [Device] Close to but clear of David Axe, “Argent, a pall inverted purpure between three axes sable” with CDs for changing the type of all three secondaries and the tincture of two of them. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] No conflict found.

25) Sibéal inghean uí Ruairc (Wiesenfeuer) New device. Name registered 04/01. Sable, two winged stags respectant argent.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Sable, two winged stags respectant argent. The submitted blazon leaves out the posture of the stags (segreant respectant) and their placement on the field (they are not really "in fess", since the fess line of the shield just about crosses their knees; unfortunately, they are not sufficiently in the chiefmost part of the field to exactly be "in chief", either).

Gawain [Device] Was this originally parted per chevron? The stags are drawn to fit nicely on the upper half of such a field, but need to be redrawn here to fill the whole .

Elfsea [Device] Possible Conflict with: Kelly of Settmour Swamp (registered in August of 1995 (via the East)): Sable, an Irish wolfhound and a stag combatant argent. We count 1 for change of half of the Primary Charge Group. We are uncertain if winging a stag is worth another CD.

Gwenllian [Device] The stags must be blazoned as “rampant” as there seems to be no default posture for . They should also probably be blazoned “in chief” because they are certainly not in the central position I would expect from the blazon as it stands. No conflicts found.

Stargate [Device] No conflict found, to our surprise. This is very badly balanced. If the top front legs and the bottom rear legs were all four raised, these stag-monsters would fit lower on the field, where they would look much better.

26) Sorcha ingen Ragnaill (Eldern Hills) New name.

Namron [Name] Not checked. Sorcha: Not checked. ingen Ragnaill: Not checked.

Elfsea [Name] No Problems Found.

Magnus [Name] Sorcha: The name is Gaelic. "Annals of the Four Masters, Volume 4" M1500.18 http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G100005D/ gives Sorcha inghen Philip mic Tomais dated to 1500. Ragnaill: http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G100011/ Annála Connacht 1306.3 gives Ragnaill from 1306. So this dates both names within 200 years in Middle Irish Gaelic. Given the dates on the names I would think it should use inghean, the post 1200 form.

Stargate [Name] Good documentation.

27) Wilhelm von Winkleried (Namron) Resubmitted device. Name registered 09/92. Argent, a bend sinister dovetailed vert between two octofoils azure.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Arbalest [Device] Consider Jean Pierre du Roche via Atenveldt September 1991: Argent a bend sinister dovetailed vert between three fleur-de-lys and a sword bendwise inverted gules. One difference for changing the type of secondaries, a possible second for change to the number of secondaries.

Elfsea [Device] No Conflicts Found.

Magnus [Device] The registered name is Wilhelm von Winkelried. Please note that these are octofoils per Brooke-Little and not Mamluk rosettes.

Stargate [Device] No conflict found.

28) Wolfger von Sibenbürgen (Mooneschadowe) New device. Name registered 10/98. Vert, two wolves combatant argent, a chief pean.

Namron [Device] No conflicts found.

Da'ud [Device] Vert, two wolves combatant argent, a chief pean. [There are three T's in combattant.] The chief is color on color. RfS VIII.2. notes that "Ermined furs or field treatments on a background of one of those tinctures [sable, vert, purpure, gules and azure] are treated as for contrast in the Society." Pean is effectively sable ermined Or, and in the SCA is treated for purposes of contrast the same way that sable is. Neither may be placed on a vert field.

Elfsea [Device] No Conflicts Found.

Magnus [Device] The field is vert and the chief is sable, ermined Or. This must be returned for sable on vert color on color. Rfs. VIII. 2. Armorial Contrast - "All armory must have sufficient contrast to allow each element of the design to be clearly identifiable at a distance. The colors are azure, gules, purpure, sable, and vert (, red, , black, and green). Ermined furs or field treatments on a background of one of these tinctures are treated as colors for contrast in the Society."

Gwenllian [Device] If the chief is actually pean ( spots on black), then this device violates the and must be returned. Perhaps the chief is actually erminois (black spots on gold)?

Stargate [Device] No conflict found.