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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT MONDAY 20 MARCH 2017

MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO. 187

DISCLAIMER Uno cial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an uno cial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The nal edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Gladys K. T. Kokorwe MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Kagiso P. Molatlhegi, MP Gaborone South

Clerk of the National Assembly -- Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly -- Ms T. Tsiang Ag. Learned Parliamentary Counsel -- Ms. B. Morolong Assistant Clerk (E) -- Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Lt. Gen. Dr. S. K. I. Khama PH, FOM, --President DCO, DSM, MP. His Honour M. E. K. Masisi, MP. (Moshupa- -Vice President Manyana) - Hon. Dr. P. Venson-Moitoi, MP. (Serowe South) --Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti North) --Minister of Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. N. E. Molefhi, MP. (Selebi Phikwe East) --Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Hon. S. Kgathi, MP. (Bobirwa) --Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. O. K. Mokaila, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. P. M. Maele, MP. (Lerala - Maunatlala) --Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon. E. J. Batshu, MP. (Nkange) --Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. D. K. Makgato, MP. (Sefhare - Ramokgonami) --Minister of Health and Wellness -Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. (Serowe West) - Tourism

Hon. V. T. Seretse, MP. (Mmopane - Lentsweletau) --Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon. O. K. Matambo, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Finance and Economic Development -Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. T. Mabeo, MP. (Thamaga - Kumakwane) - Development

Hon. T. Olopeng, MP. (Tonota) --Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Specially Elected) - Administration Hon. Dr. U. Dow, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Basic Education Hon. P. P. Ralotsia, MP. (Kanye North) --Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon. Dr. A. Madigele, MP. (Mmathethe - -Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology Molapowabojang) - -Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Hon. S. Kebonang, MP. (Lobatse) - Security Hon. D. P. Makgalemele, MP (Shoshong) --Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP (Serowe North) --Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon. B. M. Tshireletso, MP. (Mahalapye East) --Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development Hon. F. S. Van Der Westhuizen, MP. (Kgalagadi South) --Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development Hon. M. M. Goya, MP. (Palapye) --Assistant Minister, Basic Education -Assistant Minister, Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP (Shashe West) - Technology -Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. T. Kwerepe, MP (Ngami) - Administration -Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP (Mmadinare) - Development -Assistant Minister, Land Management, Water and Sanitation Hon. I. E. Moipisi, MP (Kgalagadi North) - Services Hon. G. B. Butale, MP (Tati West) --Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

Names Constituency

RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon. S. M. Guma, MP Tati East Hon. C. De Graaff, MP Ghanzi South Hon. L. Kablay, MP Letlhakeng - Lephephe Hon. M. N. Ngaka, MP Takatokwane Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP Boteti East Hon. J. Molefe, MP Mahalapye West Hon. K. Markus, MP Maun East Hon. P. Majaga, MP Nata-Gweta Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP Francistown West Hon. B. H. Billy, MP Francistown East Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP Chobe Hon. B. Arone, MP Okavango Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP Specially Elected Hon. B. J. Kenewendo, MP Specially Elected OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. Adv. D. G. Boko, MP (Leader of Opposition) Gaborone Bonnington North Hon. G. S. M. Mangole, MP Mochudi West Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP Francistown South Hon. A. S. Kesupile, MP Kanye South Hon. N. S. L. M. Salakae, MP Ghanzi North Hon. Maj. Gen. P. Mokgware, MP Gabane-Mmankgodi Hon. Dr. T. O. M. Mmatli, MP Molepolole South Hon. S. Ntlhaile, MP Jwaneng -Mabutsane Hon. M. I. Khan, MP Molepolole North Hon. H. G. Nkaigwa, MP Gaborone North Hon. I. J. Davids, MP Mochudi East Hon. N. N. Gaolathe, MP Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. S. Kgoroba, MP Mogoditshane Hon. Dr P. Butale, MP Gaborone Central Hon. Kgosi Lotlamoreng II Goodhope - Mabule Vacant Tlokweng (Botswana Congress Party) Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP Selebi Phikwe West Hon. S. O. S. Rantuana, MP Ramotswa (Independent Member of Parliament) Hon. T. Moremi, MP Maun West TABLE OF CONTENTS SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT MONDAY 20 MARCH 2017

CONTENTS PAGE (S)

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 1 - 8

Appropriation (2017/2018) Bill, 2017 (No. 2 of 2017) Organisation 2100 - Industrial Court Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate)...... 9 - 16

Organisation 2200 – Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Committee of Supply...... 17 - 40

Organisation 2300 - Ministry of Infrastructure and Housing Development Committee of Supply...... 40 - 42

TABLING OF PAPERS

Statutory Instrument No. 17 of 2016: Customs and Excise Duty (Amendment of Schedule) (No. 2) Notice, 2016...... 9

Statutory Instrument No. 18 of 2016: Customs and Excise Duty (Amendment of Schedule) (No. 3) Notice, 2016...... 9

Monday 20th March, 2017 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

Monday 20th March, 2017

THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m.

(THE SPEAKER in the Chair)

P R A Y E R S

* * * * QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER TOTAL NUMBER OF VACANT POSTS IN THE MINISTRY OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT

MR M. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): asked the Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development to state:-

i) the total number of vacant posts in his Ministry and to provide the break down by Departments and Districts;

ii) the total number of temporary employees engaged to acquire experience; and

iii) the challenges that cause delay in filling in these vacant posts.

ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): The total number of vacant posts in my Ministry is 163 and the breakdown by Departments and locations at the Districts is as follows:

DEPARTMENT NO. OF VACANCIES DISTRICTS Corporate Services 11 All in Gaborone Occupational Health and Safety 2 1-Gaborone 1-Selebi Phikwe Madirelo Training and Testing 3 All in Gaborone Centre Labour and Social Security 31 4-Lobatse 5-Selebi Phikwe 9-Gaborone 1-Mogoditshane 2-Tsabong 1-Jwaneng 2- Sowa 2-Kasane 1-Molepolole 1-Serowe 1-Geneva 1-Letlhakeng 1-Francistown

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Skills Development 116 3-Kang 4-Marobela 4-Ghanzi 3-Zwenshambe 4-Shakawe 3-Gaborone 3-Letlhakane 1-Marapong 4-Kasane 2-Phitshane 4-Tonota 2-Mosetse 6-Molepolole 2-Shoshong 2-Tutume 11-Bobonong 9-Serowe 1-Mochudi 5-Gabane 6-Kanye 1-Nkange 4-Ramotswa 2-Moshupa 4-Gumare 3-Lobatse 2-Senyawe 3-Mahalapye 5-Tlokweng 1-Takatokwane 4-Nswazwi 3-Gweta 3-Matsheng 2-Lerala TOTAL 163

ii) My Ministry has engaged a total of 95 temporary employees to address the manpower needs and acquire experience.

iii) Mr Speaker, the challenges faced in filling the vacant posts in my Ministry are as follows:

a) A total of 116 out of 163 vacancies were inherited from former Ministry of Education and Skills Development when the ministries were re-organised in October 2016. These vacancies can only be transferred to my Ministry in the next financial year (2017/2018). Pending the transfer of vacancies by the Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM), my Ministry remains unable to fill the vacancies;

b) For the remaining 47 out of the 163 vacancies, 13 have been advertised, and three (3) have been offered for occupation. This leaves a total number of 31 vacancies, which my Ministry is currently unable to advertise due to budget constraints. The advertisements will resume in April 2017; and

c) In some instances, it takes too long to fill some vacancies as some candidates turn down offers of appointment to posts tenable outside their preferred locations. I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR BOKO: Supplementary. Minister, the information that you have just shared, is it not public knowledge? Is it not part of some public document called an Establishment Register or you have stopped keeping that?

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MR MOLEFHI: It is possible Mr Speaker that this been made to use available kitchen staff to prepare information could be part of the information available first and second meals. in the public domain. The vacancies in ministries are not disaggregated in a manner that I have just tabulated. (iii) There are many factors that could affect students’ It just provides a global picture of where the vacancies academic performance. We therefore cannot exist. But like I said, part of the problem is that these ascertain that the unavailability of second vacancies are those that come from former Ministry of meal affected their performance, as ours is Education and Skills Development and have not become supplementary feeding. part of the integrated human resource profiling of our (iv) As I have already indicated, provision of second Ministry. Therefore, in the new dispensation as the new meal has been restored effective 8th February financial year begins, we shall incorporate these in our 2017 and will be continued until the end of June manpower registers and that would become part of what 2017. To ensure that the supplementary feeding is available. Thank you Sir. programme is carried out more efficiently, my PROGRESS MADE ON FOOD RATIONING TO Ministry will further decentralise procurement of STUDENTS AS A SECOND MEAL AT KHWEE staple food items of samp, sorghum and beans to st PRIMARY SCHOOL the Local Authorities effective 1 April 2017.

MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the (v) As I already explained As already explained, Minister of Local Government and Rural Development:- the employee who was engaged temporarily for additional kitchen work is late. Thank you. i) to state progress made on food rationing to students as a second meal during the day at Khwee SHORTAGE OF WATER AT KHUDUMELAPYE Primary School; VILLAGE ii) what caused the sudden stoppage of this MR N. M. NGAKA (TAKATOKWANE): asked the practice which was beneficial to the Rural Area Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Development Programme students who are not Services:- housed in the school hostel; i) if he is aware that the people of Khudumelapye iii) whether it is true that this sudden stoppage affected village drink and cook using; the performance of the said school; if so, a) water from the pond in the middle of the village; iv) when he will consider resuscitating this practice as b) the borehole which is contaminated by nitrates a remedial programme to the situation as is now; and was long rejected by the Department of and Water Affairs; and v) what duties have been assigned to the council ii) when the two (2) boreholes were identified to employee who was preparing the second meal at rescue water shortage. this school. MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MAELE): Mr GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT Speaker, (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Mr Speaker, (i) I am not aware that people of Khudumelapye village (i) My Ministry has resumed provision of second drink and cook using water from the pond or from meal to Khwee Primary School pupils effective any contaminated borehole. Notwithstanding, I 8th February 2017 following temporary suspense. am aware that there is supply deficit of 80 cubic Currently all 25 primary schools in the Boteti Sub- per day in the village due to the decline in the yield district including Khwee Primary School have of boreholes in 2015. Currently, bowsing can only been supplied with additional food commodities avail 40 cubic a day. In the meanwhile, a borehole to facilitate provision of second meal which will has been identified that needs to be equipped. We last up to the end of June 2017. are in consultation with the owner of the identified borehole to sign a Memorandum of Agreement of (ii) Provision of second meal was briefly suspended Lease. following the passing on of the temporary employee who was engaged to prepare their (ii) The two (2) boreholes identified are part of the second meals. However, arrangements have since Malwelwe-Botlhapatlou wellfield which its

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development was completed in 2008. In total, (ii) Mr Speaker, the total amount paid to Water Utilities there are twelve (12) boreholes in the wellfield. Corporation (WUC) for Phillip Moshotle Primary This wellfield was developed to augment supply School from 2012 to 2016 is P2 724 579.98. to Molepolole, Thamaga and Thebephatshwa. Only six (6) boreholes were connected to supply (iii) I am alive to the fact that where there is plumbing, the target areas in 2014. there is bound to be leakages. School teachers as tenants and the sole occupants of Council houses At the time, the Khudumelapye borehole yield allocated to them, teachers have a responsibility to was continually declining. In 2015 a decision routinely inspect and note any unusual variations was made to use 2 of the remaining 6 boreholes of the meter readings and report the same to Water in Malwelwe-Botlhapatlou wellfield to supply Utilities Corporation or Gaborone City Council Khudumelapye. for assessment and corrective action. It is therefore the responsibility of tenants to pay for bills due (iii) Plans are underway to equip the 2 identified from any unreported water loss, and of course boreholes in Malwelwe-Botlhapatlou wellfields. being the only person who has full access to all Projects design phase to equip the boreholes is fittings within and outside the rented premises at budgeted for under 2017/18 financial year and all times to note such leakages and faults. Thank construction phase will be budgeted to start after you. completion of the project design. Thank you Mr Speaker. DR P. BUTALE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Minister, are you aware of the full extent of WATER LEAKAGES AT PHILLIP MOSHOTLE this problem because primary schools in Gaborone, PRIMARY SCHOOL many of them in my constituency, experience these water leakages that are reported, and the response is just MR H. G. NKAIGWA (GABORONE NORTH): appalling. They never respond on time and the teachers asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural are then left with this burden. Are you happy with the Development:- response turnaround time from the various authorities i) what is being done to address water leakages at that you have just mentioned? Phillip Moshotle Primary School for the past five (5) years; MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: Mr Speaker, when I got the response from GCC, I then made a follow up ii) how much has been spent in water bills for this to check on the response, and they assured me that the primary school since 2012; and response is adequate. If there are any further problems with the response time, then I can still make a follow iii) if he is aware that teachers are also experiencing up on that. the same water leakages; if so, who is expected to pay for such water leakages at teachers’ quarters. TOTAL NUMBER OF VACANT POSTS IN THE MINISTRY OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Mr Speaker, MR M. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): asked the Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology (i) my Ministry has been using in-house crew and and Energy Security to state:- handymen through the Gaborone City Council to address water leakages at Phillip Moshotle i) the total number of vacant posts in his Ministry Primary School for the past 5 years. To date, there and provide the breakdown by departments and has never been a major leakage in the school’s districts; sub water system to warrant major maintenance. ii) the total number of temporary employees engaged My Ministry continues to prioritise measures to to acquire experience; and cut on the water loss due to leakages as part of its maintenance response through both outsourced iii) the challenges that cause delay in filling in these and in-house maintenance crew; and in some vacant posts. institutions through the handymen programme as ACTING MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, and when faults are reported by the users and/or GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY tenants. SECURITY (MR MOLALE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

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(i) The Ministry has 45 vacancies out of a total ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL establishment of 522 posts. These vacancies are GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT broken down as follows: (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Mr Speaker,

Headquarters; that is here in Gaborone - 23 (i) following the misappropriation of Self Help Housing Agency (SHHA) funds at Boteti Sub- Department of Mines in Gaborone – 14 District Council, there has been some delays in resolving the matter due to protected criminal Department of Mines in Francistown – 1 investigations by the relevant authorities. The Geological Survey which has transitioned, but at Council has since taken the decisions to consult the time of transitioning which is in Lobatse – 2 the concerned beneficiaries with a view to either stop the loan requirements and/or subsequently Department of Energy in Gaborone – 5 refund them or enrol them into the programme.

(ii) Presently there are no temporary employees (ii) There are 68 beneficiaries affected by the above. engaged by the Ministry for purposes of acquiring experience. (iii) The Council will conclude the matter by the 30th April 2017. Thank you. (iii) The general trend where experienced personnel especially in the mining and engineering fields ISSUANCE OF PRACTISING CERTIFICATES tend to prefer to work for the private sector hence BY THE REGISTRAR OF THE HIGH COURT making the filling of vacant posts very, very slow. MAJ. GEN. P. MOKGWARE (GABANE- I thank you Mr Speaker. MMANKGODI): asked the Minister of Defence, MR REATILE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Justice and Security:- Ke ne ke re gongwe Tona a re thuse gore mme ka gore i) if he is aware that attorneys who have been Puso e dule ka lenaneo la gore re rotloetse gore re tseye enrolled to practice take months to be issued with internship officers mo maphateng a a farologanyeng, le their practising certificates by the Registrar of the temporary employees, ministry wa gago ke eng fa o sa High Court; and obamele taelo e ya Puso? ii) what should be the turnaround time for issuance of MR MOLALE: Thank you Mr Speaker. The general the same soon after an attorney has been admitted trend has been that across Government, there is slow to the Bar by the High Court. uptake of this; and I am answering this wearing another hat. What we have agreed is that we are now going MR SPEAKER: Anybody acting for Honourable to cause ministries to take up more of these interns. Kgathi? Currently, there is work led by Honourable Kgathi and Honourable Olopeng to also see ways of how to improve …Silence… that uptake and how to strengthen policy in that regard. We do hope that this will improve in the ultimate. Thank MR SPEAKER (MR MOLATLHEGI): You are very you. late Honourable Kgathi.

PROGRESS MADE ON THE SELF HELP MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND HOUSING AGENCY (SHHA) 2004/2006 SECURITY (MR KGATHI): My apologies for BENEFICIARIES IN LETLHAKANE coming late.

MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the i) Mr Speaker, Section 30 (1) of the Legal Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Practitioners Act (Cap 61:01), puts an obligation to state the:- on the Registrar to issue a practising certificate to a legal practitioner within seven(7) days, provided i) progress made on the Self Help Housing Agency the attorney applying for the certificate meets the (SHHA) 2004/2006 programme beneficiaries who set requirements as set out in the Act. However, I are paying for loans without houses being built in am aware that there are instances where it takes Letlhakane; longer to issue practising certificates, where the attorney has not paid his/her annual subscription ii) number of people affected; and fee or in cases of first time applicants who fail to iii) when they will be attended to and how. produce a certificate of pupillage.

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ii) Mr Speaker, the turnaround time for the issuance aware that Social and Community Development Officer of a practising certificate once an attorney has been position became vacant in September 2016 when the admitted is seven days as stipulated in Section 30 officer was transferred somewhere else. Since that (1) of the Legal Practitioners Act. Therefore any time the village has been serviced by an officer from deviation from the set requirements amounts to Letlhakeng who visits the village on Wednesdays and non-compliance to service standards. I thank you Thursdays every week. Mr Speaker. An officer was recently transferred from Maboane to MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Supplementary. Khudumelapye in February 2017 and was introduced Honourable Minister, are you saying that there are no to the community on the 17th March 2017. The absence delays in cases where the attorney has fully complied of an officer has not adversely affected service delivery with the requirements? Is that what you are saying? as there was an officer giving service two days a week in the village, an arrangement that will continue for MR KGATHI: No, that is not what I am saying. Unless smooth handover. Thank you. you have a particular case that you can bring forward to me. As I said when concluding, our service standards NUMBER OF VACANT POSTS AT BOTSWANA are set out gore you should do it within seven days. So POWER CORPORATION (BPC), MINERALS anything that has gone beyond that, amounts to non- DEVELOPMENT COMPANY BOTSWANA compliance with our service standards. So please come (MDCB), BOTSWANA OIL COMPANTY AND out, tell me of any particular case so that we can solve BOTSWANA GEOSCIENCE INSTITUTE them. MR M. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): asked MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Supplementary. the Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology Honourable Minister, are you saying it is the first time and Energy Security to state:- for the Registrar to hear that there are people who are complaining about non-compliance with that particular (i) the number of vacant posts in the following turnaround time which you have just said, of seven organisations; days? a. Botswana Power Corporation (BPC); MR KGATHI: No Sir! That is not what I am saying. MR NTLHAILE: Further supplementary. Ke a leboga b. Minerals Development Company Botswana Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, Tona o a bo a simolotse. Kana (MDCB); potso e e tlhamaletse fela gore Tona fa a tla go araba fa, a bo a itse gore kwa lephateng la gagwe go diragala c. Botswana Oil Company; and eng. Now we have a Minister who is sleeping on duty. O tshwanetse gore a itse gore ba kae ba e leng gore ga d. Botswana Geo Science Institute; ba a kgona go ba thusiwa ka nako, e seng go tla go re (ii) the total number of temporary employees engaged bolelela ditsiabadimo fa. by the above mentioned organisations to acquire MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, Honourable Ntlhaile ke ne ke experience, if any; and the breakdown per rile gongwe o ka arabiwa, jaanong you are completely organisation; out of order. O re dietse nako. Ke ne ke re gongwe o a (iii) the period of the longest vacant post; and botsa kante o mo go a sele. Honourable Kgathi, you do not need to answer him. (iv) the challenges that cause delay in filling in these vacant posts. VACANT POSITION OF SOCIAL AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER IN ACTING MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, KHUDUMELAPYE GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOLALE): Thank you Mr Speaker MR N. M. NGAKA (TAKATOKWANE): asked the and thank you Honourable Butale. Mr Speaker, I wish to Minister of Local Government and Rural Development state the following with respect to the question: if he is aware that there is no Social and Community Development officer in Khudumelapye; if so, how does i. Total number of vacant posts at this affect service delivery to the people. a. Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) is 253 ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT b. Minerals Development Company (MDCB) is (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Mr Speaker, I am 17

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c. Botswana Oil Company (BOL) is 5 d. Botswana Geo Science Institute (BGI) is 183. But it is a process that is commencing because they are transitioning from being Geological Surveys to this new institute. As a result only one post for Chief Executive Officer (CEO) has been filled and 16 posts so far have been advertised and interviews are on-going.

ii. Total number of temporary employees, by the above organisations, engaged to gain experience are:

ORGANISATION TOTAL NUMBER a. BPC 54 b. MDCB 3 c. BOL 2 d. BGI 0 NOTE: The numbers exclude those on Government Internship and on Tirelo Sechaba

iii. The longest vacant post by organisation is as given below:

ORGANISATION TOTAL NUMBER a. BPC 83 months b. MDCB 38 months c. BOL 6 months d. BGI 3 months

iv. The challenges, by organization, that cause delay in filling the vacant posts are given below:

ORGANISATION a. BPC i. Some vacancies are not filled because they are being forfeited, for the following reasons: a. Their non-existence in the new structure due to optimization of resources through the organisational and methods review exercise. b. Management decision to outsource some functions, making those posts redundant c. Management deciding to hold out on some recruitment due to the impending restructuring exercise that I alluded to above. b. MDCB i. Some vacancies were only to be recruited for after the directors for those functions were appointed. ii. Candidates turned down our job offers due to non-competitive remuneration packages, and uncertainty surrounding the company. iii. The company wanted to have some of the positions analysed and evaluated. The MDCB strategic plan will be reviewed once the company strategy and operational structure has been agreed to by the MDCB Board and approved by the shareholder. This process will most likely see the number of vacancies being reduced or restructured. iv. The company took deliberate decisions not to fill some of the positions and rather use consultants on a needs basis, for a number of years, before filling the vacancies.

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c. BOL i. Very minimal delays have been experienced; the recruitments are staggered intentionally to respond to business needs and affordability. d. BGI i. While the recruitment process is ongoing, the Institute is awaiting the approval of the remuneration structure by the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR REATILE: Supplementary. Mr Speaker, a Tona kgang ya gore mo lephateng la gagwe diphatlha tse dingwe di bo di kgonne go nna 83 months di sa tladiwe, o bona golo mo go siame fela mo Batswaneng ba e leng gore ba mo lenyoreng la go tlhoka go tsenya diatla? A karabo e tota fa e tsena mo ditsebeng tsa bone o bona seemo se tlaa siama fela?

MR MOLALE: Thank you Mr Speaker. That is an untenable and unacceptable situation and we do accept that. That is why we deliberately went to Government or Cabinet to request for a serious restructuring of BPC because there were identified leakages, inefficiencies and the like. That is why the current CEO is working hard to make sure that all these negative consequences as a result are being dealt with. I thank you Mr Speaker.

STATUS OF A RURAL AREA DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME HOSTEL CONSTRUCTED IN MMATSHUMO

MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development:-

(i) to apprise this Honourable House on the status of a Rural Area Development Programme hostel constructed around the year 2000 in Mmatshumo village; (ii) how much was spent to construct the building; (iii) who authorised construction of the hostels; (iv) which company carried out the works; (v) why the building was never occupied for intended use after handing over; (vi) when the handover was done;

(vii) if it is appropriate that the building is currently used by a certain church and not serving the purpose for which it was built; and

(viii) how much is paid as rent and to who.

Later Date.

PLANS TO HAND OVER THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE INDUSTRIAL COURT TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE MAJ. GEN. P. MOKGWARE (GABANE-MMANKGODI): asked the Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development:-

(i) if he has any plan to hand over the administration of the Industrial Court to the Administration of Justice and thus the Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security which has the mandate to administer other courts; and

(ii) whether this will not ensure that the appointment of Judges is done by an independent panel like the Judicial Service Commission and avoid the current secretive selection and appointment of these Judges.

ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): Mr Speaker, i) Relocation of departments and agencies of Government are dependent on restructuring and rationalization of Government functions. There are currently no plans to restructure my Ministry, hence no plans to hand over the Industrial Court to the Administration of Justice.

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ii) Mr Speaker, the process of appointing Judges to Court. The Honourable Minister will present for fifteen the Industrial Court is transparent. It involves open (15) minutes and two Members will debate for twenty advertisements and interviews by a panel of Judges (20) minutes and I will give him the last ten (10) appointed by the Judge President. Subsequently minutes to respond. I will further call him to respond the Judge President makes recommendations for to the debate at 15:20 hours today and I will put the appointment to His Excellency the President. I question at 15:30 hours. Honourable Minister, you have thank you Sir. fifteen (15) minutes.

INCORPORATING THE KGARE/SEBOTSWANE MR KEORAPETSE: Point of procedure. Mr SETTLEMENT TO DITSHEGWANE VILLAGE Chairperson, ke ne ke re ke botse gore ga se gore Business Advisory Committee ke yone e ka bong e tsere MR N. M. NGAKA (TAKATOKWANE): asked the tshwetso ya gore go diragala eng ka kgang ya nako. Ke Minister of Local Government and Rural Development lebile gore decision ya gago Mr Chairperson is arbitrary to update this Honourable House on incorporating the and disadvantageous to Members of Parliament. Kgare/Sebotswane settlement to Ditshegwane Village. MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Nnyaa, e e tshwanang ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL le e ke ya rona kwa ofising gore re e baakanye, re fetse GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT le yone. Whether Members are disadvantaged or not is (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Mr Speaker, an issue for another day. Fela le ka gakologelwa gore Kweneng District Council held a Kgotla meeting with quorum e bolailwe ke Honourable Members. Re batla the community of Kgare and Sebotswane settlement on gore ka di 27 tsa ga March re bo re fetsa Appropriation th the 24 October 2016 to consult the community on the Bill. prospect of incorporation. Subsequently it is anticipated that the District will deliberate through structures and MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Point of procedure. make a recommendation to my Ministry. Thank you. Nnyaa, ke a go utlwa Chairperson, but this thing I do not know whether it is a punishment of some sort, because TABLING OF PAPERS you do have other alternatives either of increasing the time rather than reducing it. Now what was compelling The following papers were tabled: the Honourable Chairperson or your office to actually STATUTORY INSTRUMENT NO. 17 OF 2016: reduce the time instead of increasing it, to compensate CUSTOMS AND EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT for the loss of time on Thursday, like we always do? OF SCHEDULE) (NO. 2) NOTICE, 2016. I know that we always save time, but you never say no since we have saved time in this ministry or this (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) particular department now we are still going to cut that. What was really driving you to come to this forty-five STATUTORY INSTRUMENT NO. 18 OF 2016: (45) minutes? In my opinion I do not think this forty- CUSTOMS AND EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT five (45) minutes is enough, having only two Members OF SCHEDULE) (NO. 3) NOTICE, 2016. of Parliament to speak. Now it becomes like a process which we just want to meet. We just want to fulfil a (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) process not actually doing the subject matter. APPROPRIATION (2017/2018) BILL, 2017 (NO. 2 OF 2017) HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Mokgware, ga se punishment, ga e ka ke ya nna punishment, time (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) management; I would prefer it to be called that way, ka gore le a itse gore Committee of Supply is timed ORGANISATION 2100: INDUSTRIAL in accordance with our Standing Orders. Fa le ka ela COURT tlhoko maloba ke sone se le boneng the supplementaries (Resumed Debate) di tsenngwa ka a Business Motion to extend our sitting. Jaanong this one is specifically timed, malatsi a teng a MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOLATLHEGI): badilwe ke molao wa lona, ga re ka ke ra o tlola. Jaanong Honourable Members, you will recall that last week ke kopa gore le se ka la tswelela ka go ja nako ya debate, Thursday you collapsed the quorum just before the re tsweleleng re fetseng kgang. Ke dumela gore le a Minister could present. Now as a result of that we have lemoga gore dilo ka bontsi ga di re berekele fa re sa sa only allocated forty-five (45) minutes for the Industrial le tsamaiso ya rona morago. O kare fa re le kwa General

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Assembly, we can have longer time to deliberate on the margin of inconvenience often experienced by the these matters, ra bona gore fa go ntse jaana tota le eletsa category of our clients with compromised sight. gore go diragale jang. More initiatives are planned for financial year 2017/18 ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, to enhance and improve systems for timely delivery of LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS justice and more especially to address critical issues DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): Mr Chairperson for case disposal. These are in the areas of Execution ke a leboga, before I delve into the detail presentation, of Court Orders and Case Records Management I want to bring the attention of colleagues to the Systems (CRMS). The use of manual systems of case correction of Page 2 and in particular Paragraph 2 of management has resulted in the Court operating in an my presentation. You have been provided with single archaic and less productive environment. CRMS will paper Page 2 for purposes of the corrected version. Mr be expected to positively impact on management and Chairperson, allow me to present for consideration to disposal of case records. this Honourable Committee the Industrial Court budget as proposed for the financial year 2017/2018. Allow Mr Chairperson, regarding access to Justice, it is worthy me to further briefly outline some of the activities to note that as at the year 2012 to date, the Court operates which relate to the core business and mandate of the 2 Divisions in Gaborone and Francistown, with a total Industrial Court that were carried out in the financial complement of nine (9) Judges; seven (7) in Gaborone year 2016/2017. Mr Chairperson as at 31st December and two (2) in Francistown. 2016 a total of 5, 239 cases were pending before courts The Court also operates Circuit Courts in other areas out of which 1, 957 were registered in 2016… of Maun, Palapye, Selebi Phikwe, Kanye, Ghanzi, MR KEORAPETSE: On a point of procedure. Tota ke Letlhakane and Kasane to enhance its visibility and ne ke re ka boikokobetso ke kope Tona gore ka pampiri services. The Court has plans to expand to Maun and re sale re e tshwere, re e badile, gongwe o ye fela kwa Selebi Phikwe. In 2016/17 the Court successfully mogatleng gore gongwe re tle re nne le nakonyana ya procured premises in Selebi Phikwe and Kanye. These go ka latlhela tlhware legonyana. Tota yone re e badile, premises are old buildings which were previously used over and over again. by other Government institutions. The Selebi Phikwe structures will be refurbished in 2017/18 financial year. MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa, ga go na yo o ka In Maun, the Court rents premises, and full occupation ganetsanang le wena Honourable Keorapetse. Ke is expected to be completed in 2017/18 financial year. dumela gore Tona o a dumalana, he will summarise it Mr Chairperson, the Trade Disputes Act 2016 has a bo a feleletsa amongst other things, empowered the Office of the MR MOLEFHI: Mr Chairperson, I am sympathetic but Registrar to directly manage and dispose some cases I do not think I have to summarise further the summary coming before the Court. These changes are expected that is before this Honourable House. to improve the turnaround time for cases referred to the Industrial Court. Mr Chairperson, as at 31st December 2016, a total of 5 The Industrial Court plans to find innovative ways to 239 cases were pending before the courts, out of which enhance access to justice through the use of electronic 1 957 were registered in 2016 alone and 3 279 brought systems. A project on production of judgments in forward from previous years. Out of those that were electronic form is at an advanced stage, and expected to brought forward 346 are considered backlog as they commence in May 2017. Furthermore, in June 2017 the were more than 24 months old. Out of the 346 cases 12 Court will commence the use of Short Message System are pending from 2004 to 2009 (2004-1, 2005-1, 2006- (SMS) to communicate with clients. This initiative 1, 2007-4, 2008-1, 2009-4). One hundred and thirty-two will assist to keep clients informed on the business of (132) cases were pending judgements as at 17th January the Court, including notification of the outstanding 2017, whereas 209 cases are at different stages of case documents to be filed, dates of hearings, judgment management. dates, and dates for collection of payments.

Mr Chairperson, in an effort to reduce or eliminate delays RECURRENT AND DEVELOPMENT BUDGET in conclusion of cases by the Courts, several initiatives 2016/17 have been introduced. These include Case Management Reforms, and review of the Rules of Court which were Mr Chairperson, I wish to give progress on the previous completed in 2016/17. The Court Rules were provided financial year’s expenditure, that is, the 2016/17 in Braille as I trust this will go a long way in reducing financial year.

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The expenditure on the Recurrent Budget stood at thatathata ba dituelo tse di kwa tlase, tota botshelo jwa Thirty-One Million, Seven Hundred and Ninety-Eight gago o bo beile mo mading a o a bonang kgwedi le Thousand and Four Hundred and Thirty-Six Pula kgwedi. Mo go rayang gore fa go ka nna le sengwe se se (P31,798,436) against a budget allocation of Forty- ka tsalang gore o se ka wa kgona gore o bone madi ao Two Million, Five Hundred and Six Thousand and One mo kgweding, o nna ka kwa mosing. Hundred and Ten Pula (P42,506,110), representing an expenditure rate of 75 per cent. Gantsi bahiri ke batho ba e leng gore dikgang tse fa di isitswe kwa Dikgotlatshekelong tse tsa dikgang tsa Expenditure on the Development Budget stood at Five babereki, tiro ya bone e a bo e tsweletse; dikgwebo Hundred and Three Thousand and Four Hundred and tsa bone di a bo di tsweletse mo e leng gore ga ba Five Pula (P503, 405), against a budget allocation of tshwenyege go le kalo le fa moikuedi a isetse kgang Five Million, Nine Hundred and Eighty-Five Thousand teng kwa. Ba itse fela gore e ya go fetsa nako e ntsi e Pula (P5, 985,000), giving an expenditure rate of 8 per le gone koo, mo go felelang bangwe e le gore ba ne ba cent. It is regrettable that the Court could not utilise berekela mo mafelong a a kgakala le kwa ga bone, ba the funds according to the plan. The budgeted project felela e le gore jaanong kwa ba berekelang teng kwa, ba of Local Area Network (LAN) overhaul could not be tshwanelwa ke gore jaanong ba duele jone boroko jo e implemented as it was withdrawn at the instruction leng gore ba a bo ba bo hirisitse. Jalo kgang e ga e felele of the Department of Information Technology (DIT) fela ka ene mmereki yo o ikuetseng, e ama matshelo Technical Team. The cabling of the Maun Division of a le ma ntsi Minister. Go tshwanetse gore go bo go the Court could not commence due to delays in the na le nako e e tshwanetseng e supafale e bile e tlame partitioning of the building, which was coordinated by Dikgotlatshekelo tse gore di bo di feditse dikgang tse the then Ministry of Lands and Housing. mo nakong e e rileng. RECURRENT BUDGET 2017/18 Bangwe ba felela fa gongwe ka go tlhoka lesego e le Mr Chairperson, I propose a Recurrent Budget batho ba ba bokoa, ba tshela ka one madi a gore kgwedi allocation of Forty-Three Million, Forty Thousand and le kgwedi ba bo ba tlhoka thuso ya booki. Jaanong o Five Hundred Pula (P43, 040,500). ka ipotsa fela gore fa kgang e santse e tsweletse mme fa gongwe motho wa Modimo a dule mo tirong a DEVELOPMENT BUDGET 2017/18 ntshitswe ka mabaka a e leng gore tota fa go ka bo go ne go itlhaganeletswe gore a tle a thusiwe, ke mabaka Mr Chairperson, I submit a proposal for a Development a e neng e le gore o ka kgona gore a fenye kgang e, Budget allocation of Eight Million, Four Hundred and mme a bo a kgona gore a tswelele ka botshelo. Seemo Sixty Thousand Pula (P8 460,000). se se ntseng jaana se dingalo Tona, se baya batho ka kwa mosing. Se rotloetsa gore batho ba se ka ba tsewa CONCLUSION sentle mo madirelong ka tsholofelo ya gore mohiri o itse In conclusion, Mr Chairperson, I now move that the gore dikgang di sale di ile, motho a felele a itlhobogile. sum of Forty-Three Million, Forty Thousand and Five Yo mongwe a sa kgone le go bona le one madi a gore Hundred Pula (P43, 040,500) under the Recurrent a palame a late Dikgotlatshekelo tseo, di le kgakala le Budget for Organisation 2100, be approved and stand kwa a nnang teng ka gore fa tiro e senyega, o simolola part of the Schedule of Appropriation (2017/18) Bill o rwala morwalo o boela gae. Kana ga o ka ke wa nna 2017, and that the sum of Eight Million, Four Hundred fela gone fa o letetse tsheko e o sa itseng gore e ya go and Sixty Thousand Pula (P8 460,000) for Organisation fela leng. O a bo o dule mo ntlong e e hirisiwang, o 2100 under the Development Budget be approved and a bo o dule mo lefelong le o berekelang mo go lone. stand part of those estimates for the 2017/18 financial Mma ke gatelele ntlha eo Tona gore a dikgang tse di year. I move accordingly. Thank you Mr Chairperson. fefosiwe, mme e bile gongwe go ka bo go na le sengwe se se tlamang gore go fitlhelela motho a bonwa phoso MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND kgang e sekwa, go bonwe gore o ka tshela ka tsela e e RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR TSOGWANE): Ke ntseng jang jaaka re itse gore mo ditshetlaneng dingwe a leboga Mr Chairperson go bo o nneetse nako ya gore tsa pereko fa motho a ntshitswe mo tirong, o kgona ke akgele mo kgannyeng e, e e botlhokwatlhokwa. Re a gore a bo a ka thusiwa ka matsana a itshetso a santse itse gore re tlhokana le Dikgotlatshekelo tse tsa dikgang a emetse tsheko. Jaanong le gone go ka bo go ntse jalo tsa babereki. Re di tlhoka lefatshe le lotlhe, mme e bile le mo Lekgotlatshekelong le gore fa motho a santse a re tlhokana le gore dikgang tse tsa babereki di tsewe emetse tsheko jaana, ka gore ga re itse gore e tlaa mo tsia, e bile di dirwe ka bofefo jo bo tlhokafalang ka wela kgotsa ga e na go mo wela, go bo go na le sengwe gore mongwe le mongwe o a itse gore fa o le mmereki, (subsistence) e motho yoo a ka tshelang ka yone. Moo

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go tlaa tlama e bile go tlaa dira gore batho ba se ka ba ba nako e e kanakana ke eng? Re a ne re utlwalela gape koba batho go sena mabaka. Ba itse fela gore batho ba re bala golo gongwe, kana nako e nngwe ditsheko tse ba tlaa kgona gore go nne le sepe se ba tlaa se bonang. dingwe tse le fa di sena go nna di ntse di reediwa ke bone balaodi ba batona ba, di emela a written judgement. Le ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, yone e bo e pala ka gore ba bangwe ba setse ba bua LABOUR AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR gore nako le nako mmereki o ya kwa a ya go botsa gore MOLEFHI): Ke kopa tlhaloso. Ke ne ke re mme Tona katlholo ya me e tsamaya fa kae. Go a twe, “nnyaa, ema a tlhalose gore a re madi a a subsistence a duelwa ke fela jalo.” So, nako le nako ba ya kwa ba ya go botsa mang, ke mohiri ene yo go sekwang nae fa go santse go gore, judgement e kae, a e kwadilwe, nnyaa go fitlhelwa letilwe gore tsheko e fele? e le gore Judge ga a kwala judgement, motho a bo a ema. Jaanong go ema nako e telele, two (2) years gore MR TSOGWANE: Ee, ke ne ke e fa sekai fela ka mo case e tsene, o bo o tlaa o ema another two (2) years, Pusong, mo o fitlhelang e le gore fa motho a kobiwa fa Judge a ise a kwale judgement, ke dumela gore Minister gongwe o fitlhela e le gore go na le madi mo salary ya selo se ga se selo se se letlelesegang. gagwe a a duelwang. Jaanong mohiri o tshwanetse gore a tlamege for survival le gore motho yo o na le dirente Ke raya gore a ko le tsenye leitlho mo dilong tse ka gore tse a di duelang, o tshwanetse go tlamega, jaaka fela gatwe Judge ga a ka ke a bodiwa gore ke eng a ise a Goromente a tlhola a dira go fitlhelela motho a bonwa kwale judgement. Ga se gone. Kana re bua ka batho ba molato. Ga go ke go fetswa fela motho a sa kgone go tota ba sokolang jaaka o ne o utlwa Minister a bua gore bona, go na le part of the salary. Jaanong a go tshwane ke motho a a bo a beile mo go one madi ao. A mangwe fela le kwa bahiring, go se ka ga tsewa gore jaanong ke a ba yang bongakeng ka one. Jaanong fa re tlaa go fa motho o batla go mo ntsha fela go sena mabaka o ema dingwaga tse pedi re emetse judgement fela e le itse gore go tlaa tsaya dingwagangwaga, go santse go nngwefela, ga ke bone e le sone selo se se siameng tota, letetswe tsheko, e bo e le gore o dira fela ka lebaka la ke re ke kopa gore o lebelele selo se thata se. gore wena ga go na sepe se se ka go bayang kwa mosing o le mohiri. MR KGOROBA: Clarification. Thank you Honourable Mokgware. Honourable Mokgware, ke gore o dumela Jaanong nna ke ne ke re kgang e e botlhokwa, e e gore Puso e e kgonang go fora batho ba le 5000 ba le beileng batho ba le bantsi ka fa mosing. Ke kgang e kwa moepong, e ba raya e re e ya go ba duela for the next e paledisitseng batho ba bangwe gore ba tswelele ka 18 months, e bo e re fa e tswa foo e bo e ja semenogane, ditsheko tsa bone ka mabaka a gore ba bokgala jo e leng a o tsaya gore ke Puso mme e e nang le bokgoni kana gore ga ba na madi a ba ka palamang ka one ba ntse ba keletso ya gore e ka sekegela babereki? ya go ikuela kana kgang e santse e tsweletse. Ke ne ke re ke sengwe Tona se re tshwanetseng ra se lebelela. Ka MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Ee, rraetsho. Ke yone mabaka a a kalo ke tle ke siele bakaulengwe metsotso e kgwetlho e ke reng babereki ba setse ba latlhegelwa meraro e. Ke a leboga. ke tshepo mo Industrial Court. Mo e leng gore le fa o mo raya o re nnyaa, isa case teng kwa, o a ipotsa gore MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE (GABANE- ke ya go ema dingwaga tse kae. Cases tsa batho ba ba MMANKGODI): Tanki Mr Chairperson. Le nna mme yang kwa ke batho ba ba sa amogeleng sepe, security ke akgele mo kgannyeng e ya botlhokwa ya Industrial guards. Ba bangwe ke batho fela ba ba berekang mo Court. Ke re kana mmereki kana Motswana mongwe le teng ga mabentlele le filling stations. Jaanong ke gore fa mongwe yo o berekang, o a bo a na le lebaka la gore ke o akanya a emetse madinyana a notice dingwaga tse nne eng a bereka, mme ga ke ka ke ka tsena thata. tseo, tota fela ke selo se se maswe. Minister, ke kopa gore cases tse gotweng are pending tse, o ye go tlhotlhomisa Ke dumalane le mabaka a the Honourable Minister gore tota di diiwa ke eng, ke bomang? Bogolo fa o ne o Tsogwane a ntseng a gatelela ka botlhokwa jwa gore tla ka tsone Judges ka gore golo gongwe re belaela gore ke eng re re ditsheko tsa batho di tsene ka pela. Kana Judges tse ditona, bone ba ba eteletseng pele kwa, ke gatwe justice delayed is justice denied. Jaanong fa bone ba ba sa iseng cases kwa. Gongwe ba ba kwa tlase mmereki a eme ka madinyana a itshetsang ka one ao, kwa ba a dira. Ke raya gore Judges tse ditona, bone ba a bo a ema nako e telele, e bo e re fa e tshwanetse gore ba eteletseng pele lekgotla le, o ya go fitlhela e le bone case ya gagwe e tsene, a ya go tsaya bo three (3) years. ba ba sa tsamaiseng ditsheko sentle, ke gore backlog ya Gompieno fa o lebelela dipalo tse from bo 2004 go tla bone e le ntsi, written judgements tsa bone. Ka gore fa re go tsena gompieno, ke dipalo fela tse o ipotsang gore bala golo gongwe, kana re ntse re utlwa nako nngwe, re Motswana yo o ntseng jaana, yo o saleng a ikuetse kwa kile ra bona go ntse gotwe bangwe ba tsamaya ka cases o tshelela mo go eng? Gape motho o ka ipotsa gore tota di ka nna bo 44, ba bangwe di tsamaya bo 24. Jaanong fela se se tonatona se se dirang gore ditsheko di tseye ke re tlhotlhomisa lekgotla le thata rra, tsenelela mo go

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lone o bone gore ke eng cases di sa fele ka pela, ke eng Go na le fa o kwadileng ka court ya kwa Maun ga ba judgements di sa kwalwe ka nako. ga buiwa gore e sale e ntse jalo. Se se gakgamatsang kana ke gore court e gatwe e sale ka e hirisitswe, e ya go Sa bobedi ke batla go tsena mo khirong ya Judges tse bereka leng Minister? Ke gore fa re hira court re duela tsa Industrial Court, ka gore that is very secretive, ga dirente mme go sena Judges teng kwa go raya jang? go supe independence. Ka gore jaaka Minister o ne Kana jaanong go raya gore madi fela bontsi jaanong o bala karabo mo wa re the Judge President ke ene a re duelela building fela jalo mme go sena sepe se se appoint Judges tse dingwe ba bo ba recommend kwa go diragalang, ke Page three (3), the court has planned to Tautona. Ke eng go sa dirwe fela jaaka other courts? Ke extend the Maun and Selebi Phikwe, building e rentilwe raya gore re ka tsaya kae that independence ya gore the gone koo. Jaanong ke gore ke eng go tsaya nako e telele Judge President le ba a nang le bone, kana o kgona to Judges di seyo mme re ntsha madi a a kanakana? A e ne appoint ditsala tsa gagwe fela gone foo gore banna, re e sa re before go ya go identify building gone go bo go tsaya Mokgware letsatsi leno fela fa, nnang fa le le bane setse go baakantswe ditlamelo tsotlhe di le teng? le bo le tsaya ene fela. Ke dumela gore o kare tsamaiso e rraetsho ga e a siama. Ga e supe independence kana E nngwe ke ya gore nako le nako ke ntse ke bua ke re fa go transparency. Ka gore gongwe re tloga re tsenela kwa dirwa dilo tse di tshwanang le courts kana ditlhabololo, teng re bo re go botsa gore letsatsi le nne go hirwa Judge re leba ntlha e le nngwefela fela. Ntlha ya bo Ghanzi ka so and so who were the panels ka nako ya teng? Gongwe fa ga re nke re leba teng. Batho ba tswa bokgakala kwa go bo go tla go pala jalojalo. Jaanong ke sone se ke reng Ghanzi ba tla Industrial Court mo Gaborone kana ba ya a re boneng gore the recruitment in this Industrial Court Maun, that is a cost, re bua ka batho ba ba sa amogeleng e nna transparent mo Motswana mongwe le mongwe a sepe Minister, kana re tshwanetse gore re ise ditlamelo ka bonang. Ke a itse gore e nngwe post e dule gompieno kwa bathong. Re dire gore motho a kgone gore fa a jaana, mo e leng gore batho e tlaa re fa ba apply, dibeke ikuetse a se ka a senyegelwa thata, a senyegelwa ke tse pedi ba bo ba utlwa gotwe go setse go na le motho madi a mantsintsi go ya go bona thuso. Jaanong ba gone jaana. Jaanong ke kopa gore a golo moo go se ka bangwe ba tswa kwa Ghanzi ba tla kwano, ba bangwe ga nna teng, go se ka ga ba ga tla ra bona gape go se ba ya kwa Maun, mme le fa Maun a le botoka mme transparent jaaka re bona go diragala gompieno. Ka kana court ya kwa Maun, ga e ise le yone fela e bereke. gore Batswana ba ba ntsi ba a ngongorega gore bone Jaanong ke kopa gore dilo tse di ntseng jaana tse, re di ga ba itse gore go hirwa mo, ga Judges tsa kwa di hirwa lebelele, re di ele tlhoko, re bone gore tota fela mme a jang. This arrangement e o neng o e bala kgantele ele, mmereki ene tota re mo sireleditse. Fela jaana o ne o nobody knows about it and it is not written anywhere, utlwa Rre Tsogwane fa a bua jaana, go bokete mo go ba you see? Ke sone se re kopang gore a go nne le an bangwe ka gore o a bo a emetse one madinyana a fela, a Industrial Court Act, e e tlaa tlhalosang ka botlalo jaaka na le tsholofelo ya gore gongwe kgetsi ya gagwe e tlaa go na le Acts tse dingwe fela jaana. Go kgone go itsege reediwa ka pela a tle a kgone go tshetsa bana ba gagwe. gore tota diphiro kwa di tsamaya jang, tsamaiso ke eng. Ba bangwe re bua ka batho ba ba sekang compensation ya gore motho o a bo a golafaletse mo tirong. O a bo a Lephata le rraetsho, jaaka fela o bona cases tse di le di tshela jang nako eo case ya gagwe fa e ise e tsene? Ke ntsintsi jaana, go a gakgamatsa ka gore accountability ne ke re ke tle ke eme gone fa Minister, o tle o tsibogele becomes a problem gone fa. Re kile ra bala golo gongwe dikgang tseo. e le gore gatwe mongwe wa Judges tseo o kolota cell phone P82 000.00, mme go bo gotwe a ntshe ten (10) MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Ke a leboga Mr per cent fela. Ke tshenyetso-setšhaba selo seo, cell Chairperson. Mma le nna ke tsene mo kgannyeng e ya phone charge ya kgwedi fela e le P82 000.00, motho go Lephata la Industrial Court. Ke supe fela Modulasetilo bo gotwe a ntshe ten (10) per cent. gore, tota re na le mathata a a tlhatlaganeng. Re ya kwa Vision 2036, mme re ntse re tswa mo go Vision 2016. HONOURABLE MEMBER: One (1) month? Mr Chairperson, fa o ka lebelela dipalo tsa the cases tse di fa pele ga Makgotlatshekelo, le wena o ka bona fela MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Ee, one (1) month. Ga re gore Batswana ba mo mathateng. Sengwe se tshwanetse itse, nnyaa, o tlaa tla o tlhola (chek) fa e le gore bone ga gore se dirwe ka bofefo jo bo rileng. ba itse, mme ke raya gore o botse rraetsho. Tsamaya o ye go botsa, mme ke kopa gore jaaka o tshikinya tlhogo Mr Chairperson, dipalo tse ka bo tsone, di a supa gore jaana, e re fa o tswa go botsa o bo o tla go bua mo teng le rona re le Ntlo e e tlotlegileng ya Palamente, go tlaa ga Palamente o re nnyaa, ga go a nna jalo. Ee, ke raya re re dire sengwe, re dire nngwe phetogo e e ka thusang gore ga se dilo tse di siameng tse di bayang lephata le Batswana ba dikgetsi tsa bone di tsayang lebaka le sentle fela ka fa tshwanelong gore fa go nna jalo, go tlaa dingwaga di sa fediwe, kana di sa sekwe, kana di sekwa supa gore ga go a siama. ka bonya jo bo rileng. Kgang e re ka e lebelelang, tota

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nako e tlile jaaka e le gore ra re, re ya kwa Vision 2036, MR MAJAGA: Ke re, re a leboga gore mo mafelong gore re le lefatshe, through ministry o o lebaneng… E a mangwe, go tlaa dirwa dingwe tse di rileng tse e bile re lebogela gore maloba re bone mangwe maphata tlaabong e le to improve seemo sa lephata le. a okediwa, while a mangwe were being aligned gore ba bereke sentle. Nako e tlile ya gore, re bone these Ya bofelo Mr Chairperson ke ya the Judges. Mr Industrial Courts di anama. Chairperson, fa o ka lebelela these Judges tsa Industrial Court, ga ke itse gore a dituelo di kwa tlase, a Batswana I know you are talking of money, mme madi ga a ba tshaba go nna the Judges mo Makgotlatshekelong fete botshelo jwa motho gore a bo a tshelela mo kana ke ka fa go hirwang ka teng. Tota selo seo it is pogisegong. Re ntse re re ga re na madi a a ka oketsang a cause for concern. Fa o lebelela diagete both tse di Makgotlatshekelo a, especially districts le ditoropo emetseng Goromente le tsa private, di di ntsi thata. jaaka re itse Francistown le Selebi Phikwe jalo. A re O fitlhela e le gore di teng, di thusa Batswana mo boneng re oketsa these Industrial Courts ka re rutile dikgetsing tse. Fa o setse o tsena fa, o fitlhela fa gongwe bana Mr Chairperson for some years. Maloba jaana on gotwe motho is on leave, ke gore Batswana ba tlaa nna this past budget, re bone madi re a isa fela kwa Ministry ba boga fela ka motho a le mongwe fela gotwe, “nnyaa, wa Education. Kana selo seo ke sesupo sa gore re rutile Judge yo o lebaneng le go ka rarabolola dikgetsi tseo, bana. Jaanong fa re rutile bana, bana bao ba ya kae re sa ga a yo.” A kgang e, re e tsenye leitlho re le Ntlo e. dire gore ba hiriwe? Re nne le the Judges tse di lebaneng, Re bone gore re thusa Batswana ba ba kwa Semowane, tse di ka dirang ditiro tseo mo Makgotlatshekelong a. Letlhakeng le Damuchujenaa ka gore bone matshelo a bone a mo go rona fela. Mr Chairperson, sengwe se ke ka buang ka sone mo lephateng le ke gore, fa o lebelela ka fa go diragalang ka La bofelo, diofisi tsa rona tsa Mapalamente, o fitlhela teng, dikompone ka bontsi especially tsa security service jaanong batho ba tla go ikuela mo go tsone ka gore ke le construction, batho re tlaa seka. Ba ba lebaneng nako tsone tse ba di itseng le go feta. Fa company e ne e tlile nngwe ba tlaa seka. Batho ba sule Mr Chairperson ba e bo e tsamaya e sa ba duela, le kwa e leng teng ba sa ntse ba letile madi a bone, ba sa seke mo Dikgotleng tse. tlhola ba itse gore go diragala eng kana ba ikuetse ba sa Ba ba salang kana bajaboswa, fa motho yo o amegang itse, la bofelo ba tshwenya rona. mo kgetsing a tlhokafala, go raya gore ga go na ope yo o salang a tsweledisa kgetsi eo. Tse dingwe tota o kgona Tota ke wetsa ke re, a lephata le nne le thuto mo go bona gore motho yo o amegang mo kgetsing, o ka Batswaneng fela ka kakaretso lefatshe lotlhe. Ba bo a itshekile le ene a bona sengwe se a ka thusang ba itse gore babereki ba ba mo dikomponeng, ke bone lelwapa la gagwe. ba ba tshwereng lefatshe le. Re ntse re tsweletse Mr Chairperson ra re, re batla gore lefatshe le, re se ka Jaanong ke re, bontsi jwa batho ba kgaolo ya me, ke ra baya fela mo Pusong gore e nne mohiri, mme go batho ba ba berekang thata mo these private companies. tshwanetse ga bonala gore le rona re gatetse pele ka go Fa e le gore go na le these major projects for example, baakanya melao ya Industrial Court and review it, le go o ka tsaya Kasane, batho ba kgaolo ya me ba bereka bona gore bo Judge ba teng. Batswana ba ba tlaabong thata kwa Kasane mo dikomponeng tsa bojanala, ba ya to this private sector ba ya go batla these services, security service le tse dingwe. O fitlhela e le batho ba ba thusiwe. Fa go nang le mohiri le mohiriwa, go nna ba kgakala le ditlamelo. Bontsi jwa bone ba nna thata go na le bothata kana go nna le dikgetsi tse di a bong di kwa metseng e e leng gore, fa a setse a dule mo tirong le mo Makgotleng. Re tshwanetse re tswe mo goreng kana tiro e fedile kana go na le kgotlhang fa gare ga Goromente e nne ene mohiri fela. Makgotlatshekelo a gagwe le mohiri, o tlaabo a ya go leta tsheko a le kwa tshwanetse a aname le lefatshe lotlhe ka gore ditirelo Tshwaane, Malelejwa, Marulamantsi kana Sepako. O tsone di a bo di le mo lefatsheng. fitlhelajudgment e dirwa fela a seyo. Ke re, a re boneng Ka one mafoko ao Mr Chairperson, ke tlaa boela dikgang tse re le Puso ka gore, bontsi jwa batho ba, ke morago ke re, a re direng sengwe re le Palamente. batlhophi ba rona. Re bone lephata le, le dira dithuto tse di tlaa nnang di tsamaya kwa Batswaneng ba ba MR CHAIRPERSON: Wa bofelo ke Honourable tshwanang le ba me le Rre Kablay, ba ga ntsi o fitlhelang Keorapetse; nine minutes. ba le kgakala le ditlamelo. Ba e leng gore fa ba setse ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… na le dikgang, there is nothing that they can benefit. Ba felela ba sa tle fa pele ga Makgotlatshekelo, fa gongwe MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): ba sena se ba nang le sone. Thank you Mr Chairperson. Mr Chairperson, I do not know what is happening to my voice, go na le mongwe MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Madigele, quorum. yo o lekang go le tsaya.

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Mr Chairperson, about the Industrial Court, the first Acting Judges for purposes of trying cases. This can also point I want to make is that the reason why we have be explored at the Industrial Court for a specific purpose backlog at the Industrial Court is because of the of dealing with the backlog of cases. I plead with you ineffectiveness of the Department of Labour. What we Minister that consider employing Acting Judges. need Honourable Minister, is to set up a Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration with a Honourable Minister, through you Mr Chairperson, quasi-judicial function to deal with labour matters. The I am reminded of a case in 2006 in which BCL reason why I am proposing this independent body, it is machinemen were dismissed; I think they were about because; (i) the Government sometimes has disputes as 200, after embarking on what the employer thought was the employer, and you would need an independent body an unprotected industrial action in a form of a strike. to deal with such matters. That case has not yet been resolved by the Industrial Court; from 2006. These people have been coming to (ii) The other thing is that, when you have an independent the offices of Members of Parliament in Selebi Phikwe body equipped in terms of the enabling law, resources, to say they are unable to get employment, even by expertise, you could have cases which end up at the companies which were sub-contracted by BCL because Industrial Court being reduced in number because the they are saying their case has not been resolved at the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration Industrial Court. If it can take more than ten (10) years (CCMA) with quasi-judicial function would have dealt for a case to be resolved, I think it is miscarriage of with these cases. It is something that we really need to justice. Justice delayed is justice denied. Some people consider. I know that in the Revised Act, you tried to have died still waiting for the outcome of that case. I empower the Commissioner of Labour, but in our view, think it is important to employ Acting Judges to dispose that is inadequate. We need an independent body to deal of these cases. with such cases. The other argument which I have made before is that The other point I want to make Mr Chairperson is that, of the Industrial Court; the Government has reduced in terms of the Trade Disputes Act which establishes the this court to some sort of a customary court. The reason Industrial Court, the Industrial Court is a court of law why that it is the case is because, Honourable Minister, and equity. When you look at; I do not know if it is still this court is not a creation of the Constitution but a Section 19, Section 15 establishes the court and Section creation of the Trade Disputes Act. This court must be a 19 provides that this court would not be bound by rules creation of the Constitution, with all the powers derived of evidence or procedure and may disregard technical from the Constitution. Its Judges should be appointed irregularity which may result in miscarriage of justice. in accordance with the advice of the Judicial Service This is equity. It is a court of law and equity. Commission, not just a Judicial Service Commission but an improved Judicial Service Commission. The Now, having made that point Mr Chairperson, there is a same argument we have made about the nomenclature need to have a Labour Court of Appeal. The reason why of the Judicial Service Commission where you have I say we need to have a Labour Court of Appeal is that, the Judge President, who has been appointed by the because Industrial Court is a court of law and equity, President to his position as Judge President. The Chief that equity aspect is lost when cases are referred to the Justice who has also been so appointed by the President Court of Appeal on appeal, because there the Court of to his position, the Attorney General, the Chairperson Appeal is bound by the rules of evidence and procedure, of the Public Service Commission, and another person and cannot disregard technical irregularities which may preferred by the President, and then another member result in miscarriage of justice. This can only be done or appointed by the Law Society. So, we have five (5) it is applicable in the Industrial Court. members of the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) loyal to the President, serving the interests of the Executive This equity aspect, when cases are referred to the appeals recommending for the appointment of Justices. court, they are subjected to the rules of honour, rules of procedure, rules of evidence and other technicalities, It is our considered view that we need to have an and the equity is lost. There is a need for a Labour improved Judicial Service Commission recommending Court of Appeal which will also not be bound by the not just Justices of the High Court and Justices of the rules of evidence and procedure, and may disregard Court of Appeal, but also Justices of the Industrial irregularities which may result in miscarriage of justice. Court. The manner in which Justices of the Industrial Court are appointed leaves a lot to be desired. Our The backlog of cases; Minister, why do you not employ suspicion has always been that Judges who are Acting Judges to deal with the backlog? I think it is appointed in a manner that suggests that the Executive worth exploring. The High Court sometimes employs controls the appointment, these Judges sometimes, the

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way in which they adjudicate cases, it is suspicious. We jaaka le tlaabo le rebola madi a, go ya go ntšhafadiwa suspect that sometimes they serve the interests of the fa ba yang go berekela teng. Khiro ya bone Baatlhodi appointing authority; in this case, the President and/or ba, e tlaa itlhaganelelwa. Ke gone gore re ise ditirelo tse the Executive. Let us have these Judges employed on kwa setšhabeng, re fokotse mosepele wa gore ba tswe recommendation of an improved JSC. kwa Ghanzi ba tle kwano. Ghanzi o tlaabo a le gaufi le Maun ka jalo batho ba Ghanzi ba tlaa reeletsa ditsheko Lastly Honourable Minister, foreigners who serve in kwa Maun. E bile fa ba setse ba le koo, Moatlhodi o ka the Industrial Court are eligible for re-appointment. kgona gore a tsamae segautshwane a tswa mo Maun a You see, His Lordship Abednego Tafa dealt with this ye Ghanzi a ye go reetsa dikgang koo. point in his latest judgement on the Court of Appeal, that the appointment of a Judge on renewable contract Re buile mo karabong e ke neng ke e e fa kgantele gore is bad in the sense that it diminishes the independent khiro ya Baatlhodi ba, e direlwa mo pontsheng. Re ka mundaneness of a Judge. It is important that these bo re sa dumalane. Ga go na password epe e e leng teng Judges who are foreigners are appointed on a fixed term ka gore ba ba a bong ba laleditswe go tla go reetsa kgang contract because security of tenure is very important for mo khirong ya Moatlhodi yo, e a bo e le batho fela ba a serving Judge. ba itlotlang, ba ba ikanngwang e bile ba na le seriti se se tsamaelanang le boikarabelo jo ba bo romilweng. Ke Having said that, I thank you Mr Chairperson. dumela gore ga ba ka ke ba mpampetsa gore sepe se tle se tsamaele kwa ope a eletsang gore se ka ya teng. MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Keorapetse. Honourable Members, I now call the Tiego ya dikatlholo; re tlaa nna re e sala morago gore Minister to respond to the debate. Honourable Minister re rurifatse gore morago ga gore Baatlhodi ba reetse you have ten (10) minutes. dikgang tse, ba fefogela go ntsha dikatlholo gore go se ka ga nna le nyafalo epe le tiego, e e ka tlogang ya fetsa ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, batho pelo. LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): Mma ke leboge E gotweng Moatlhodi mongwe mosokelatsebeng wa bakaulengwe ka dikakgelo tsa bone mo kopong ya gagwe o ne wa dirisa madi a a kana ka bo P82 000 mo madi e ke neng ke ba e baya pele. Go boammaaruri kgweding, ke tlaa ya go e tlhotlhomisa gore ke tle ke gore maikaelelo magolo a Lekgotla le la Ditsheko tsa utlwe gore a mme mafoko a ntse jaaka fa mokaulengwe Pereko, ke go lere le go tlhomamisa tshiamelo (equity). a a bolela gore ke tle ke boele mo Ntlong e ke e Jaanong one mabaka a, ke one a e leng konokono ya bolelele gore nnyaa, mafoko ale e ne e le magatwe fela, thomo ya makgotla a. Matshwenyego a bakaulengwe ba mokaulengwe o ne a sa utlwa sentle. a supileng a nyafalo ya ditiro le mokgobe wa dikgang tse di kwa makgotleng a, bonya jo bo leng teng bo tsalwa ke Ke buile ka gone gore re mo dipaakanyong tsa gore re gone gore diphetogo (reforms) tse go ikaeletsweng gore ka ntšhafatsa jang ditsamaiso tse gore re tle re kgone go di dirwe, di santse di setswe morago. Di setswe morago itebaganya le go fefosa tlharabololo ya dikgang tse tsa ka maikaelelo a gore re tle re batle batshereganyi le dikgotla tse. baletlanyi ba dinonofo tsa bone le dithata tsa bone, Dikompone tse di agang tse le tsa security, re tlaa nna di tlaa nnang tshwetso e e tlaa tsamaelanang le e e ka re di baya leitlho go bona gore di direla babereki ba tsewang ke Makgotla a a Ditsheko, gore megopolo le tsone ka tshiamelo. Re tlaa tswelela re ntse re kgotlhatsa dikakanyo tse, di tle di kgone gore di leretse tema le makgotla a babereki. Kana ga go mo go Goromente fela maduo a a eletsegang, go fokotsa le go fefosa dikgang kana lekgotla la pereko gore e nne lone fela le tsamayang tse di ka bong di le kwa Makgotleng a rona a Ditsheko mo le ruta babereki ka ditshwanelo tsa bone. Ke dumela tsa Pereko. gore makgotla a babereki ka kakaretso ka di federation tsa bone, ba tshwanelwa ke gore ba rutane, ba rute Maikaelelo go re re fefose ditirelo tse ke gone gore babereki ka bophara ka tsamaiso ya molao wa pereko re bo re na le dikgotla tse di etelang dikgaolo ka go le ka ditshwanelo tsa bone gore le bone mo mafelong a farologana. Dikgaolo tse ke tsone tsa bo Palapye, Maun, mangwe ba ipope makgotla. Selebi Phikwe, Kanye, Ghanzi Kasane le Letlhakane. Maikaelelo ke gore, e re mo tsamaong ya nako, dikgotla Ke a tle ke bue le bakgweetsi ba dibase, bus conductors tse di aname e le tsa sennelaruri jaaka go ne go supiwa le ba ba tshelang petrol, ke ba kgotlhatsa gore ba itirele fano. Kwa Maun le Selebi Phikwe, maikaelelo ke gore makgotla a bone a babereki a a tlaa ba thusang go lebaleba go ye go tlhomiwa Moatlhodi wa sennelaruri. Mafelo a mabaka a bone a pereko. Ke a tle ke bue le bo referee ba tlaabong ba berekela mo go one, ke one a re neng re le bone gore jaaka e le baletsaphala mo metshamekong bolela mo pegong e gore mo ngwageng ono wa madi, kwa mabaleng jaaka bo kgwele ya dinao, ke a tle ke

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gakgamale batho ba le lesome le motso mo lebaleng ORGANISATION 2200 – MINISTRY OF ba raga bolo ba palelwa ke go nosa, go bo go kobiwa YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND coach yo o neng a le kwa ntle, gore coaches le bone ba CULTURE DEVELOPMENT nne le union ba kgone go ipuelela gore, “ke ne ke rile batho ba ye go nosa mme ga ba a nosa.” Ke dilo tse re MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, 2 hours tshwanetseng gore rotlhe re tseye boikarabelo, re rute 25 minutes has been allocated to this organisation and batho ka ditshwanelo tsa bone mo perekong ya bone. I shall upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 17:25 hours today and the question will be Ke dumela gore diphetogo tse re ntseng re di buisanya put at 17:55 hours. Honourable Minister, you have 20 mo ga Goromente ka go ntšhafatsa tsamaiso ya rona ya minutes, please present your budget proposal. ditirelo tsa pereko le makgotla a babereki, re tlaa nna re di sala morago mme re tle mo thulaganyong ya gore go MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, lerwe diphetogo tse di lebanyeng. Ke dumalana le wena SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR Mokaulengwe Keorapetse, gore go nna le tatlhegelo fa OLOPENG): Thank you very much Mr Chairperson. re setse re ya kwa Court of Appeal, yone e ya tshiamelo Mr Chairperson, I handed over the presentation to (equity) le gone gore bosupi jo bo tlhokiwang mo Members sometime last week and I take it that they have makgotleng a rona a pereko, ga se jo bo bokete jaaka jo gone through the presentation. Therefore I am going to bo tlhokiwang kwa makgotleng a rona a malatsi otlhe summarise as much as I can, so that it can give them a ditsheko tsa borukhutlhi le tse dingwe. Ke dumela more time to debate this presentation. gore ke dikgang tse re tlaa nnang re di amogana, re di Mr Chairperson, Honourable Members, I have the komokana re bona gore re ka dira jang gore mafoko a, a privilege to present my Ministry’s budget proposals felele a re neetse poelo. for consideration and approval by this Honourable Ke tlhomamisetse Mopalamente Keorapetse gore Committee for the financial year 2017/2018, under Baatlhodi ba makgotla a, le fa o ka bo o re ba tlhophiwa Organisation 2200. Allow me first to highlight progress ke Tautona, tota Tautona o a bo a setse a diragatsa se e on key programmes in the strategic areas of Youth a bong e le tumalano ya Judicial Service Commission. Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development. Makgotla one a ditsheko a, a digela Goromente ditsheko. YOUTH EMPOWERMENT Ga ba nke ba re ka gore Tautona ke ene moeteledipele wa Executive ka jalo he, fa ba ntsha dikatlholo tsa bone Mr Chairperson, the majority of our population are mo ditshekong tse di amang Goromente, ba mpampetse. young people under the age of 35. Young people Goromente o latlhegelwa ke ditsheko ntswa Tautona therefore present a human capital opportunity for e le ene a tlhophileng kana a rurifaditseng khiro ya our country if they are seen as an important resource Baatlhodi ba, jalo he, ga go boammaruri jo bo feletseng and not a problem. These statistics mean Botswana’s gore Baatlhodi loyalty kana go tlhomoga pelo ga bone population pyramid is heavy at the bottom, and if we go sokametse kwa go Goromente. Re bona se, se do not make significant investments on this population senolwa ke ditsheko kana dikatlholo tse ba di ntshang segment today, we run the risk of having an elderly kgatlhanong le Goromente gore ke bomme le borre ba population that is unable to support itself owing to missed opportunities at a stage when they were still seriti sa bone, ba maikaelelo a bone le boikarabelo jwa youth. It is therefore imperative that all efforts are made bone di setseng tsamaiso le go diragatsa molao o e leng to tap into the energy and creativity of our youth and one o ba kaelang gore ba dire jalo. also to develop our youth into model citizens for the Ka one mafoko a, ke se na go lebogela bakaulengwe development of our country in this globally competitive kemonokeng ya bone, ke re Modulasetilo, ke sutisa world. In this connection, my Ministry runs various jaana gore madi a a kana ka Forty-Three Million and programmes aimed at entrepreneurship development, Forty Thousand Five Hundred Pula (P43 40 500) a youth advocacy and behavioural change, and job tiriso ya malatsi otlhe a Lekgotla la 2100, e nne bontlha readiness skills for the youth. Ultimately, these will help bongwe jwa kabo ya madi a ngwaga ono wa 2017/2018. the country harness this youth demographic dividend. Ke bo ke tswelela ke re ke kopa gore Eight Million • Entrepreneurship Development Four Hundred and Sixty Thousand Pula (P8 460 000), a Lekgotla la 2100 mo mading a ditlhabololo e nne In the year under review, my Ministry received a botlhabongwe jwa kabo ya madi ya 2017/2018. Ke a go total of two thousand, seven hundred and one (2,701) leboga Modulasetilo. Youth Development Fund (YDF) applications. 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(2,074) employment opportunities for young people. platforms as well as the refurbishment of 5 recreational Adjudications and appraisals continue to be undertaken centres with counselling services. The Ministry is and it is expected that the entire budget allocation of working with stakeholders to select the 5 centres to be P112 567 150 will be disbursed by the end of the current refurbished. financial year. My Ministry intensifies the Human Immunodeficiency Mr Chairperson, despite these good efforts, youth Virus/Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (HIV/ enterprises face challenges such as lack of operational AIDS) campaign targeting the youth during the Month space, high rentals, limited market access and lack of of Youth Against AIDS (which happens in March) business management skills. To mitigate these, the each year. This is a targeted intervention aimed at Ministry is identifying and refurbishing old buildings, high incidence areas across the country. This year, and is working on compilation of land banks for access the Botswana National Youth Council (BNYC) is to the youth. Furthermore, Government continues to collaborating with different stakeholders to deliver introduce affirmative action initiatives in favour of the messages on HIV/AIDS to young people across the youth. This year exemptions on Public Procurement country. This year, the Ministry once more leads the and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) registration, commemoration of the Month of Youth Against AIDS procurement of tender documentation at fifty (50) per with the main event at Palapye and several district cent and reservation of selected services for youth commemorations across the country. were introduced. Significant progress was noted across Furthermore, the Ministry is focused on resuscitating ministries on implementation of the twenty (20) per cent youth character building organisations, particularly quota reservation for youth, resulting in nine hundred the Scouts and Girl Guides. To date, my Ministry has and two (902) youth companies awarded tenders to the supported the Scout and Girl Guide movements both value of P106 201 689 across Government. Youth are technically and financially to ensure they intensify also trained in business management to improve their on the mobilisation for youth enrolment. Currently in skills and enhance sustainability of their businesses. school Scouts troupes have one hundred and thirty-nine As at February 2017, 1,481 youth had been trained on (139) clubs with four thousand, five hundred and eighty- business management. six (4,586) members while those out of school stand at The Ministry will continue to evaluate and reform the fifty-five (55) cubs with one thousand, seven hundred Youth Development Fund to make it more effective and six (1,706) members. Girl Guides has eighteen (18) and contributing to the country’s priorities. To improve clubs with five hundred and fourteen (514) members market access for funded and other youth businesses, in schools and twelve (12) clubs with four hundred the Ministry now hosts an annual Youth Business Expo. and twenty-five (425) membership for the out of school The Expo brings together young business people and youth. potential procuring entities. • On the Job Training and Attachments

• Behavioural Change Mr Chairperson, in the last sitting I talked about the challenges which face the youth, among which are Mr Chairperson, our interventions on building the poverty, unemployment and lack of work experience character of our youth continue as we seek to foster and skills mismatch with the job market, rendering them socially acceptable behaviour and discourage bad habits unemployable. Government continues to implement such as criminal activity, drug abuse, lack of respect various schemes intended to provide the youth with for fellow citizens and institutions. In this regard the opportunities for meaningful engagement and gaining Ministry continues to collaborate with various youth employment readiness skills. serving organisations to provide psycho-social and st character building interventions. As at 31 January, 2017 enrolment in the National Internship Programme stood at three thousand, seven My Ministry is finalising a strategy on youth character and fifty- six (3,756). Of these, two thousand, five building which will introduce a more effective approach hundred and sixty-seven (2,567) were enrolled in the to coordinating, monitoring and evaluating character public service; five hundred and twenty-five (525) with building initiatives in the country for greater impact. A parastatals; whilst five hundred and twenty-eight (528) number of initiatives have been put in place financed were with the private sector and one hundred and thirty- through the Alcohol Levy Fund which includes six (136) under the Non-Governmental Organisations. consultative forums with the youth to solicit their input (NGOs). The transition of interns into employment has on the reduction of alcohol and drug abuse strategies, improved with 865 employed by different sectors during intensifying public education using different media the period of April to January, 2017.

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Botswana National Service Programme (BNSP) the popularity of the programme and its benefits, my commonly known as Tirelo Sechaba, enrolment as at Ministry intends to include athletics in the Constituency 31st January, 2017 was 15,290. Sport Tournament in the coming financial year...

SPORT AND RECREATION DR P. BUTALE: On a point of clarification Mr Chairperson. Just a quick one, this 255, since when, is it Mr Chairperson, It is evident that, participation in since the inception of the programme or it is for a certain sport has a number of benefits such as socio-economic period of time? The 255 participants that have joined development, health and wellbeing and further enhances mainstream league teams. our national unity and pride. It is therefore necessary for Government to make resources available to promote MR OLOPENG: This is for the cycle not from sport excellence and encourage active lifestyles among inception, the current. our people. I am encouraged by the performance of our athletes over the last year especially those that represented DR P. BUTALE: Okay. the country well at the international competitions MR OLOPENG: Ee rra. Thank you very much. including Rio 2016 Olympics. I am hopeful, looking at the performance trends, that our athletes are motivated Sport Development and will continue excelling at international stages and make our country proud. The number of medals accrued Mr Chairperson, as a way of building capacity in sport this financial year is 194. The total amount of incentives development, the Ministry continues to empower and appearance fees paid to national team players and technical officials and coaches. Capacity building coaches stand at P2 294 641.60. courses for coaches and mentors were conducted and a total of 754 coaches have been capacitated. The National Fitness Programme country participated at the 2016 African Union Sport The National Fitness Programme (NFP) is an Council Region 5 (AUSC Region 5) under 20 games in intervention designed to promote the engagement of all December in Angola and obtained 35 Medals (14 Gold; Batswana in physical fitness activity for wellness and 14 Silver; 7 Bronze) and finished Position 2 out of the recreation. My Ministry has set every second Friday of 10 countries. This is a commendable achievement given the month as Fitness Day. The programme continues the fact that these athletes are being prepared for higher to bear fruits as evidenced by participation at various level games outdoor gyms and participation levels captured on every The Ministry continues to implement programmes that second Friday of every month and the people jogging assist excelling athletes in sport; these programmes and deliberately walking for fitness along various are the Elite Scholarship and the Zebra Fund which walk ways. I would propose that you urge Members are administered by the Botswana National Sport of this House to participate in this programme as Commission. The Elite Scholarship Fund is designed to leaders so that they lead by example Mr Chairperson. assist talented young sports performers to gain access Participation levels captured on every second Friday of to tertiary education at international institutions whilst every month for the period under review has reached attaining success at the highest levels within their 10,017 participants exceeding the set target of 10,000. chosen sport. For the year 2016/17, six (6) athletes Currently three Outdoor Gyms are at tender stage. These were recommended for funding. Two (2) of these have will be constructed in Lobatse, Maun and Molepolole. already gone for further studies in the United States of My Ministry continues to explore ways of collaborating America (USA). with stakeholders to construct more outdoor community gyms. The Minimum Governance Standards was introduced for National Sport Associations. This is to enable office Sport for Development bearers of National Sport Associations to uphold the Constituency Sport Tournament continues to attract highest levels of good corporate governance, and act in a lot of out-of-school youths across the country to the best interests of the stakeholders that they represent play sport. The participation levels for Cycle 3 of the amongst their clubs. 2016/17 financial year stand at 85,498. The tournament Anti-Doping continues to have a positive impact on youth, with over 255 participants having joined mainstream league As a nation, we have done well over the years to retain teams, while some volunteers who were officiating in compliance status with the World Anti-Doping Code. the programme have since graduated and are officiating This past year nineteen (19) doping tests were conducted, at the mainstream leagues. Mr Chairperson, given for which all came out negative. Educational workshops

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and awareness campaigns were conducted inclusive of My Ministry continues to improve community sport those who participated in Rio 2016 Olympics. fields, currently nine (9) community sport facilities are being improved with assistance from the Local Competitiveness in Sport Authorities. Improvements are being done at Charleshill, Letlhakeng, Rakops, Sefhare, Shakawe, Shoshong, Botswana’s performance in sport is improving each year Thamaga, Tlokweng and Tutume. with Batswana athletes in various sport codes excelling at Regional, Continental and World level competitions. Sport Legislation and Governance Twelve (12) Athletes, some of whom are beneficiaries of the Ministry’s programmes, competed at the Rio Mr Chairperson, Draft Regulations of the Botswana 2016 Olympics in August 2016. Some of these athletes National Sport Commission (BNSC) Act are being made the country proud by reaching the final stages of developed to simplify implementation of the Act. The the competitions. draft was presented to National Sport Associations in July 2016 and to the Board in November 2016, and are Mr Chairperson, my Ministry continues to give incentives currently being considered by the Attorney General’s to national team players as per the Presidential Directive Chambers. CAB. 7(B)/2012 with a view to motivate national team players with appearance fees, monthly allowances and ARTS AND CULTURE performance incentives. This initiative continues to play a pivotal role in motivating national team players Mr Chairperson, preservation and promotion of the arts, in their quest to achieve excellence in their chosen sport. culture and heritage of our nation are essential for social In this financial year P2 294 641.60 has been paid to 294 cohesion and national unity. The focus of the Ministry national team players from different sporting codes as has been to consolidate the growth and appreciation appearance fees, performance incentives and monthly of local arts and crafts while promoting economic allowances. gain from these activities. Opportunities continue to be provided through programmes such as cultural Hosting of Major Sporting Events exchanges, President’s Day Celebrations and arts and culture grants among others. Sport in Botswana has grown to a level that it can now host major sporting events. This past financial year the Commercialisation of the Arts and Crafts country hosted the Africa Women in Sport Conference in which 205 delegates from 22 countries attended and P1 Government has, through Presidential Directive CAB. 083 006.57 was spent for the event. The conference was 1 (B)/2015, introduced a programme to Support Local the precursor to the upcoming International Working Art and Crafts by providing an annual allocation of P7 Group World Conference that the country will host on 670 485 which is administered by my Ministry. The the 17th to 20th May 2018. funds have been spent on procurement of Performance Services and Arts and Crafts, and the proceeds went To prepare for readiness for the Netball World Youth directly to the artists. Furthermore, all local radios Cup, the country hosted the Africa qualifiers for Netball stations played 100 per cent local music as part of the World Youth Cup from the 24th -30th July 2016 where BOT50 Celebrations, and this contributed to increased nine (9) countries took part. Therefore, Botswana will royalties for artists. confidently be hosting the Netball World Youth Cup on the 8th –16th July 2017 where countries are expected to Arts Talent Identification participate. Mr Chairperson, President’s Day celebrations are held The country will also be hosting the World Softball across the country to unearth artistic talent and promote Conference in October 2017, and the African Union the culture of the different regions of our country. For Sport Council Region 5 (AUSC Region 5) youth games this reporting period, 18,971 individuals participated in December 2018. The AUSC Region 5 youth games in the programme compared to 14,739 in 2014. The are held on rotational basis every two years. total prize money increased from P2 864 500 in 2015 to P3 964 525 in 2016, a 38.4 per cent increase due to Sport Infrastructure introduction of new categories.

Mr Chairperson, improvements at the National Stadium Library and Information were completed in preparation for the 2016 Independence Celebrations (BOT50). The improvements increased the Libraries remain the primary vehicle of choice in seating capacity from 20,000 to 23,000. The Stadium is provision of information for communities to support complete and functional at the present moment. information needs for leisure, communication, research,

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and education in order to improve their lives. To Headquarters this end, Libraries have diverse programmes which have registered an average of 3,988 participants and I submit a request for Five Hundred and Seventy-Four 24,900 visits per month. Currently, 71 public libraries Million, Eight Hundred and Twenty-Five Thousand, are connected to the internet and Basic Information and Two Hundred and Forty Pula (P574 825 240) for and Communications Technology (ICT) training for Ministry Headquarters. The provision shows a decrease members of the public has registered 69,355 users of (13 per cent) Eighty-Four Million, Four Hundred and compared to 66,911 users in the last financial year. Forty-Five Thousand, Three Hundred Pula (P84 445 Public awareness and response to the Legal Deposit 300) as compared to the 2016/2017 Budget. Law is also gaining momentum and has had an increase Botswana National Archives and Records Services in the National Heritage Collection to 9, 484 compared to the 8, 765 during this same time in the last financial I request an allocation of Twenty-Two Million, Five year. Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand, Eight Hundred National Archives and Records Services and Eighty Pula (P22 598 880) for this Department. The provision shows an increase of (1 per cent) Two Mr Chairperson, the Botswana National Archives and Hundred and Fifty-Eight Thousand, One Hundred and Records Services (BNARS) is charged with preserving Eighty Pula (P258 180) as compared to the 2016/2017 and documenting government and historical records, Budget. and ensuring public access to those documents, which comprise the National Archives. Department of National Service and Internship In pursuit of this mandate, the Ministry has intensified I submit a request for Two Hundred and Forty-Six inspections on records keeping practices in ministries and Million, and Four Hundred and Twenty-Two Thousand, departments to provide guidance and ensure compliance Four Hundred and Ninety Pula (P246 422 490) for the with security of information, service delivery standard Department of National Service and Internship. The and preservation of records. In 2015/16 compliance largest share of this budget which is Two Hundred level was 70 per cent and has since decreased slightly and Thirty-Four Million Four, Hundred and Sixty-Six to 65 per cent in 2016/17. The inadequate management Thousand, Three Hundred and Forty Pula (P234 466 of semi current records at ministries was noted and will 340) or 95 per cent goes to Interns and National Service be addressed through engagement with the relevant Allowances. ministries. DEVELOPMENT BUDGET Most records at BNARS are in the public domain, Mr Chairperson, the total Development Budget for my enabling access to both local and international users. Ministry for the 2017/2018 financial year is Thirty Four- The level of usage of the archives has averaged 3.7 Million, Six Hundred and Eighty-Six Thousand Pula per cent since 2015/16. Diversity in the national (P34 686 000). This is a reduction of Eighteen Million, documentary heritage achieved through the increase in One Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand Pula (P18 the size of the collection increased from 26.3 per cent 198 000) from last year’s budget allocation of Fifty- in 2015/16 to 58.7 per cent in 2016/17. The Department Two Million, Eight Hundred and Eighty-Four Thousand has introduced social media platform (Facebook) to Pula (P52 884 000) which represents about 34 per cent improve accessibility, achieving 513,921 hits to date. decrease. RECURRENT BUDGET Strengthening MYSC Operations Mr Chairperson, allow me now to present the budget Mr Chairperson, a total of Six Million, Eight Hundred proposals under my Ministry for the financial year and Sixty-Two Thousand Pula (P6 862 000) is requested 2017/2018, starting with the Recurrent Budget. under this programme to undertake the following I wish to propose the 2017/2018 Budget for the Ministry projects; of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development a) MYSC Computerisation at Three Million, Nine in the sum of Eight Hundred and Forty-Three Million, Hundred and Forty-Eight Thousand Pula (P 3 948 Eight Hundred and Forty-Six Thousand, Six Hundred 000) to develop the Ministry’s IT Infrastructure and Ten Pula (P843 846 610) representing a decrease Project in regional and district offices to improve of 6 per cent as compared to the 2016/2017 Budget. It service delivery. should be noted that the 2016/17 Budget was more by P93 551 170 to cater for BOT50 activities which have b) MYSC Fleet Expansion at Two Million, Five since been concluded. Hundred and Thirty-Eight Thousand Pula (P2 538

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000). The need for fleet expansion came about as a MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION result of the newly established offices in 12 districts AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MR BATSHU): Ke a go and 18 sub-districts and 3 newly built community leboga Modulasetilo. Ke batla go supa fa ke ema nokeng libraries at Nata, Sebina and Werda. mokaulengwe gore a rebolelwe madi a a kopileng. Ke dira jalo ka tsholofelo e e kwa godimo fela thata ya c) MYSC Information Systems Consultancy at gore madi a a tlaa mo thusa go tsibogela dikgwetlho Three Hundred and Seventy-Six Thousand Pula dingwe tse re nang le tsone kwa kgaolong ya botlhophi (P376 000) to engage consultants for the Ministry ya Nkange. Ke simolole ka go go akgola rraetsho gore Information Management System, which is aimed o bo o na le Mothusa Tona, jaanong le le babedi. Ke at improving programmes management and lebogela seo ka gore ke lebaka rraetsho, ke kopa gore monitoring. o nketele kwa kgaolong ya botlhophi, jaanong o ntse o pitlaganye thata. Ke solofela mo bogompienong gore MYSC Infrastructure ngwaga o wa madi o o simologang ka April, e tlaa re ka Mr Chairperson, a total of Twenty-Three Million, Five bo July mongwe wa lona o tlaabo a setse a kgabagantse Hundred Thousand Pula (P23 500 000) is required to kwa kgaolong. Mathata a re nang le one kwa kgaolong construct a roof on the Very Important Persons (VIP) ke gore the projects tsa banana, dipalo tsa teng di Stand at the Francistown Sport Complex facility. The kwa tlase fela thata, the uptake is very low. Jaanong sport complex design has a roof on top of the VIP gantsinyana fa re ntse re sekaseka, go na le bothata jwa (Western) stand, which was deferred in previous years gore kgaolo e aname. Fa e aname jaana, headquarters due to financial constraints. This will complete the ya rona e mo Tutume, mme e bile ofisi yone ya Tutume scope of the Francistown Sports Complex. ga se gore e itebagantse le Constituency ya Nkange fela, e itebagantse le constituencies tse dingwe tse pedi mo Development of Cultural Infrastructure and godimo ga yone ya Nkange. Ka jalo, ba bo ba nna le Programmes letlhoko la dikoloi, seo se bo se dira gore go etela ga bone metse le metsana e e mo kgaolong, fa gongwe o Mr Chairperson, I request a total budget of Four fitlhela e le gore go a kgoreletsega ka lebaka la gore ga Million, Three Hundred and Twenty-Four Thousand ba na dikoloi. Pula (P4 324 000) under this programme as Government contribution towards our partnership with the Sara Se sengwe ke gore fa banana ba ntse ba isa dikopo jaana, and Robert Rothschild Family Foundation which go tsaya lebaka le le leele gore re tsibogele dikopo tsa has pledged to construct twenty (20) community bone ka mabaka a a farologanyeng. Batho ba banana libraries for Batswana. Government contribution is by ke batho ba ba felang pelo ka bonako. Re eletsa gore way of providing equipment and furniture as well as mo lephateng la gago, gongwe go nne le tsela e e leng constructing performance stages and ablution blocks at gore your turnaround times tsa go tsibogela dikopo tsa every community library constructed by the Foundation. banana, re tlhobosa, le re amogela, e bo e le gore di mo nakong e khutshwane, ka gore banana ba na le bothata CONCLUSION jone jwa gore ka go tlhoka ditiro, ba na le go fela pelo fa ba ntse ba emetse go itse gore naare gatwe go diragala Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the eng. Jaanong kopo e ya gore le nketele, ke batla gore 2017/2018 Recurrent and Development Budgets for le rulaganye mo mading one a, go nne le workshop e my Ministry. I therefore move that the sum of Eight tona fela thata teng mo motseng wa Tutume, e akaretsa Hundred and Forty-Three Million, Eight Hundred and Constituency ya Nkange, banana bale ba tle ba le Forty-Six Thousand, Six Hundred and Ten Pula (P843 reetse, le ba gakolola ka bomolemo jwa mananeo a a 846 610) under Recurrent Budget for Organisation mo lephateng le la lona. Ke tsaya gore nako e ke na 2200 be approved and stand part of the Schedule of le tsholofelo e ntsi fela thata ya gore mokaulengwe, re the Appropriation (2017/2018) Bill, and that the sum tlaa thusanya gore seo se diragale. Se sengwe se ke se of Thirty-Four Million, Six Hundred and Eighty-Six buileng mo nakong e e fetileng se ke se buang gape, ke Thousand Pula (P34 686 000) for Organisation 2200 gore the officers tse di thusang banana, fa o fitlhelang under the Development Budget be approved and stand palo ya bone ba le banana ba le bantsi le bone, ke gore part of those Estimates for the financial year 2017/2018. banana ba felelana dipelo go thusanya. Jaanong ke sone se ke nang le ikopelo ya gore fa re ntse re ya kwa pele, I thank you Mr Chairperson. re nne re tswakanya batho ba, fa e le gore gongwe o MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable fitlhela go na le the officers di le six (6), a ba babedi ba Minister. e bo e le ba ba golwane, ba ba kgonang go pepetletsa banana ba ba mo ofising, ba ba felang pelo, le bone ba

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ba a bong ba kopa fa e le gore ba fela pelo, ka gore gago o ne wa kwala ka dinako tse di ntsinyana, ba kopa fa e le bone fela, o kare ga ba kgone go thusanya ka gore golo gongwe holo ya teng le e neelwe, gongwe e bopelotelele ka fa re eletsang gore go nne ka teng. Ke tle e re karolo ya yone e bo e ka nna diofisi, mme e bo na le banana kwa kgaolong, segolobogolo bana ba ba e le gore the good part of it e ya go nna library. Kago Graduate Volunteer Scheme (GVS), go na le ngongora e e santse e tswetswe, e lotletswe. Ke kopa gore re e ya gore matsananyana a re ba a neelang e le a dikatso, kopanele mokaulengwe, re buisanye le mokaulengwe tota ba a ngongoregela gore ga a sa tlhole a lekana le Rre Mabeo gore kago ele re e neelwe, e nne library, fa e le sepe, mme keletso ya Puso e ne e le gore golo e bo e ka re mo dithusong tse re di bonang di tswa mo gongwe e kare fa ba ntse ba emetse kwa ba ka bonang mafatsheng a sele, re bo re ka thusega. Re nne le library ditiro teng, ba bo ba ntse ba reka melora. Jaanong le gona le gore ba ba batlang go bala mo library mo teng melora e setse e pala ka matsananyana a a leng teng, ga McConnell Senior Secondary School, jaanong o segolobogolo bao ba ba kileng ba nna mo Internship, fitlhela go na le restrictions tsa gore le kgoreletsa bana ba na le allowance e o kareng e kwa godingwana, e bo sele le sele. Ke tshwanetse gore ke leboge gore fa ke e le gore after two (2) years fa ba aloga jaanong ba ise buisanya le ministry wa gago, ke batho ba ba reetsang, ba bone ditiro gatwe ba ka tsena mo go e ya GVS, e bo ke fela gore there is a stumbling block, e nna le wena e le gore dikatso tsa teng di ya kwa tlase. Ke itse gore fa re ka ya go kopana le bakaulengwe, ba tlaa re neela o motho yo o tsibogelang dikgang tsa banana ka pelo holo e gompieno e sa dirisiweng le fa e le sepe mme e ya gago yotlhe. A e re fa ba kgaolo ba lela jaana, ke go le holo ya Puso. begela mo Palamenteng e ya rona, gongwe o tle o eme ka dinao o bone gore naare Goromente ga go na ka fa Sa bofelo rraetsho, ke wetse ka gore e ne ya re ka the a ka sekasekang gore a tokafatse dikatso tsa baithaopi. holidays tsa December, go ne ga nna le thulaganyo e e neng e itiretswe ke ba motse kana ba kgaolo ya E ne ya re fa re le mo thulaganyong ya Lenaneo botlhophi ya Nkange gore ba nne le festival ya mmino la Ditlhabololo la Bolesome le Bongwe, National wa setso le mebino fela ka go farologana ga yone. Development Plan (NDP) 11, ke ne ke kopile gore Festival ya go nna jalo, e ne ya ngoka batho ba le ba re batla stadium kwa Tutume, fela jaaka o tlaa itse, ntsi fela thata, ga nna monate, bagolo ba supa ka fa ba kgaolo e e na le neo ya Modimo mo dilong di le di ntsi, kileng ba bo ba dira ka teng bogologolo, mme banana segolobogolo tsone tsa metshameko. Mabelo le tlaa ba ne ba kgona go lemoga gore metshameko ya rona itse bo Nijel Amos, Isaac Makwala le ba bangwe ba e ya ngwao e e ntseng e latlhega e nna teng. Kopo fela leng gore ba etla, kgaolo e e na le neo yone e e ntseng ke gone gore o kare o ka simolola wa nna le madi a jalo ya Modimo. Le bone ba kgwele tota, le referee o ka nnang o a latlhelela constituencies jaana gore go le a itse gore Rre Joshua Bondo wa Senete, o ne a le nne le constituency festivals just to get started. E tlaa koo, o ne a le kgakala kwa. O tswa kwa kgaolong e re fa re ntse re tsweletse, re tlaa itirela, mme fela jaaka tona ya botlhophi ya Nkange, jaanong o ka bona gore mokaulengwe a ne a supa, o kare yone ya ntlha festival dineo tse di tlhoka gore di rotloediwe. Ke ne ke kopile e le tlaa e rulaganyang, ke a go laletsa gore o tle o apere gore re nne le stadium, mme ga pala ka gore madi ga sentle jaaka o e tle o apare sentle fa go ntse jalo, o tle o a yo. Kopo ya me ya stadium o se ka wa e kwala ka itshupe bothakga. Ke a leboga rraetsho. pencil mokaulengwe, o e kwale fela ka pene gore fa go MR ARONE (OKAVANGO): Thank you Mr letlelesega kana go kgonagale gore go nne jalo, re bo re Chairperson. I also stand to support the Honourable le bangwe ba ba ka akanyediwang. Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development, but to start with, to thank you Honourable Rraetsho, ke santse ke kopa ke khubame, gore o re Minister on a personal note that you received a call from akanyetse ka motlobo wa dibuka. Kgang e e tswa a football team in my constituency where they requested th kgakala, ke tsaya gore even in the 10 Parliament, ke for some sports equipment and I want to thank you that ne ka tla ka supa fa gore ga re na public library mo you decided to bring the donation through my office. motseng wa Tutume. Jaanong Ministry wa gago o ne wa They have requested me to thank you profoundly for gakolola sentle fela gore fa go na le kago e kgologolo the help and I wish you would continue to support and e e ka nnang teng, a e bonale, Ministry o tlaa dira gore have the energy to ensure that young people are being ka madi a re thusiwang ke ba ba re thusang, e tlaa assisted. shafadiwa e bo e ka tsenngwa dibuka. Jaanong re ntse re leka, kwa Tutume kwa go na le holo fela e tonatona, e ne Just two points Honourable Minister; we have good e le kwa Ministry of Education and Skills Development, programmes on the ground and we want to continue to jaanong gompieno e kwa Ministry of Employment, thank you. We have seen the energy and the challenge Labour Productivity and Skills Development, e tota that we are facing is implementation; the turnaround e ntse foo e sa dirisiwe. Ke a itse gore le Ministry wa time. That is where we are having a big problem.

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I still want to repeat what I have said in the past, we they do not have a library. The same applies to Seronga; need to have a clear coordination between Government we want to thank you that at least we have a library departments. You will find that for example; on your in Shakawe. If I was requested to support Honourable side, the Youth Development Fund (YDF) officials Batshu, I will support him looking at the size of Tutume would have funded a group of young people, but they and the catchment areas in Tutume. I would support him will struggle to get land. We still have problems such as for the call of a library in that area because I have seen that Honourable Minister. Please engage the Minister of the number of people in that area, it is very big. Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services and ensure that these complaints Mr Minister, are put to rest. Of course I do not want to be repetitive; my point Honourable Minister is on implementation. Otherwise We have a number of young people who have been you are trying your level best, you are doing a good job, funded and complaining that they have a problem of but let us ensure that the affirmative action programmes accessing land. If you look at the first page Honourable as we have announced them to the young people, are put Minister of your presentation on entrepreneurship to practice and are adhered to by all departments. With development, where 2 701 applications were received those few remarks, I thank you. for the YDF and only 847 were successful, to me, that uptake is very, very low. It means that 1 854 applications MR RANTUANA (RAMOTSWA): Thank you were not successful. We need to know why, so that we Madam Chairperson. Mma ke simolole fela ka go are able to respond to why the uptake is very, very low. akgela mo go tsa Banana. Ke re bothata jo bo kana, jo We are busy encouraging young people to ensure that re bo tshwereng mo bananeng, selo sa ntlhantlha fela they take advantage of these programmes, but then it ke go tlhoka thuto e e lolameng. Fa thuto ya rona kwa becomes worrisome when the uptake is very, very low. dikoleng e ne e nonofile, e ikaeletse go ntsha bana ba ba nonofileng, ba ba ka itirelang, re ka bo gompieno I want to support Honourable Batshu on youth officers jaana, re sena bothata jo bo kanakana jwa banana ba ba more especially sent to rural areas. Let us ensure that we tlhokang ditiro, ba ba tlhokang ditsha le ba e leng gore send very experienced people because they are required gompieno re lela ka gore ba dirisa ditagi thata. Fa thuto to support young people in rural areas who have been ya rona e ne e tlhwaafetse go ntsha banana ba ba nang excluded from a number of things. Therefore, they need le bokamoso, re ne re ka re lefatshe la rona le ka ya golo someone who is very experienced to ensure that they fill gongwe. the gap found in those societies instead of sending newly qualified officers. They face challenges as Honourable Gompieno re tshwaraganye le mathata a go dira Minister correctly said of impatience to try and support dilonyana tse di tshesanyane tse di tshwanang le bo these kids. Internship, tsa ga go tshwane, le bo YDF ya bana ba e leng gore ga ba a rutelwa business. Ga ba na le fa e le The other point Honourable Minister, I humbly request sepe, but they are funded ba sena kitso e e itshetletseng. you, we need an office ya Youth kwa Seronga. The Fa bana ba rona kwa dikoleng ba ne ba rutiwa tsa terrain in my constituency is very, very difficult, you are kgwebo go simolola fela kwa secondary go ya go tsena aware of it. In my constituency, we are number two (2) kwa tertiary, madi a a ntshiwang a YDF, a ne a ka bo a in terms of poverty or being disadvantaged. Our kids na le mosola. are not doing very well in school. So, we need to be supported. We need an office in Seronga so that the Bogologolo go kile ga ne go na le thuto e go neng gotwe catchment areas from Gudigwa, Beetsha, Gunitsoga, Junior Achievement Botswana (JAB), ga ke itse gore a Ngarange le Sekondomboro can be assisted on the other gompieno e santse e le teng mo dikoleng… side of the river instead of coming to Shakawe. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Currently Honourable Minister for your own information, the office in Shakawe is referred to asa MR RANTUANA: Mme ga e dirisiwe mo go satellite office. So, in most cases, young people are supafalang fa e le gore e santse e le teng. Ga re na bana still referred to Gumare which was our complaint ba ba yang go phadisana internationally ka business when we requested an office in Shakawe. Please assist plans. Gompieno bana ba rona ba fiwa madi fela go bo us Honourable Minister with fully-fledged offices in gotwe ba ye kwa Local Enterprise Authority (LEA) ba Shakawe and Seronga. ye go ithuta business teng. Bana ba tlaa tshwara jang business fa e le gore bontsi jwa bagolo ba ba reng bana Of course I want to support Honourable Minister ba dire businesses, di ba paletse? Ba ya go ithuta mo go Batshu; I want to agree with you, Tutume is a very big mang? Kana ngwana o tshwanetse a ithute se a bonang village. I think it is one of the centres in the northern se dirwa ke mogolo. Jaanong fa e le gore ba bagolwane side of the country. It is very unfortunate and sad that ba paletswe ke go dira the businesses, re palelwa ke go

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ruta bana ba rona gore ba itsetsepele. Re ba latlhela fela ditlhopha tsa motse. Fa re botsa gore jaanong fa le dira mo mosimeng wa go dira di business, mme ga re ba jalo, le tsaya kae permission ya gore le tseye mabala a a direle sentle. ntseng a ragela ditlhopha tsa motse, a a ntseng a dirisiwa ke ditlhopha tsa constituency, a go ntseng go tabogelwa Thuto ke sone selo se se tona se e leng gore ke selotlele mo teng; bana ba sekole sa Kelemogile gompieno ga sa botshelo. Re ka bo re ba ruta dilo tse di lebaganeng, ba dire Physical Education ka gore mabala a ba ntseng e bile di tshwanetse. Nako e ntsintsi e e senngwang go ba tabogela mo go one go beilwe residential plots mo rutwa ka dilo tse di tshesanyane tsa bo go dirisa dilo go one. Fa re re re a botsa, re nna fa fatshe le bone, ba gatwe ke itlhokomelo ya morobalo le eng, le eng, e ka re ke Lephata la ga Tona Tsogwane, ke ene ba physical bo e dirisiwa go ruta bana botshelo … planning who declared golo foo residential.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Ke ipotsa gore a fa le le kwa Executive kwa ministries tsa lona, a ga le nke le buisana when planning? Wena o MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, bua ka mabala, community sports field gore le thusiwa ke SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR local authority, rona mo kgaolong ya South East, local OLOPENG): On a point of clarification. Thank authority ga e re thuse. E re pitlagantse, e re tsentse mo you Madam Chairperson. Ke kopa gore Honourable mathateng. E abile mabala a a ntseng a dirisiwa for your Member, ka ke a kwala ke tsaya the notes so that I can constituency tournament, football leagues by ditlhopha respond, ke mo utlwe sentle gore a re ya bofelo e ke ya tse di mo league, a beilwe residential. eng? Ga ke a utlwa gore a reng. A ko a e papamatse sentle. Ke utlwile a bua morobalo, ga ke itse gore o raya Maloba re ne re santse re bua ka mo gongwe go teng ofe. kwa Ramotswa gatwe show ground. It is lying idle. Ga e dirisiwe sepe. Batho ba ba neng ba direla sports mo MR RANTUANA: Tanki Minister. Ke ne ke re teng ba dule, gatwe ba se ka ba tlhola ba tshamekela foo, itlhokomelo mo morobalong e o fitlhelang e buiwa thata lebala leo ke la Khansele, e tlaa tlisa ditlhabololo tsa le mo television. Gompieno e raela bana ba rona gore ba shopping complex. Shopping complex le yone jaanong ye go lekeletsa ba bone gore a se le se buang, ke nnete. go didimetse ga re itse gore gatwe go rileng. Lebala Fa e ne e le gore gompieno ba ka bo ba rutiwa business lone le ntse fela ga le dire sepe, le re okela magodu. and engineering, e e tlaa ba dirang gore e re fa ba tswa Magodu fa ba sena go senya, ba ya go baya dilo mo go mo, kakanyo ya bone e akanyetse tse di lebaganyeng le lone lebala le le ka bong le dirisiwa gompieno. botshelo, e seng tse di lebaganyeng le tsa go tshameka. Tona, ke ne ke re ke go kope thata gore o buisanye Tona, e nngwe e ke batlang go bua ka yone ke ya le ba Ministry of Land Management, Water and sport infrastructure e o e kwadileng fa. Ngwaga o o Sanitation Services, le ba Local Government and Rural fetileng pele fa re tsena mo National Development Plan Development gore re tlhokana le mabala a e leng gore (NDP) 11, o ne o re solofeditse gore metse e e gaufi le ditlhopha di ka a itirela, tsa a ipaakanyetsa. Go se ka Gaborone, o na le lenaneo la gore o tlaa e agela sports gatwe the whole district e bo e nna residential fela le complex gore e kgone go thusa Gaborone fa go na le commercial go sena gope fa e leng gore bana ba ka ya ditiragalo tse di tona tse di international. go itshidila teng. Gompieno jaana ra re bana ba rona ba Jaanong gompieno ga ke bone gope fa o buang ka gone mo di drugs, ba tsaya di drugs le majalwa ka lebaka la fa. Ke utlwa jaanong o bua ka gore National Stadium gore ga go na gope kwa ba itlosang bodutu teng; bodutu e ne e agelwa BOT50 le gore the community sport jaanong e nna kwa dibareng. Ngwana fa sekole se tswa ga go na gore o ka ya go boa kwa lebaleng a ya to fields are being developed. Ke botsa gore kgang ele ya practice, a itshidila mmele, fa a tswa fa jaanong o tswa Budget ya 2016/2017 ya di sports complex, a e dule mo pelo, o ya go tsena fa bareng fa e leng gore tota o ka bo lenaneong? Fa e le gore e dule, o ka bo o re boleletse a sa tshwanela go ka bo a ile teng. gore nnyaa, metsana e e gaufi le Gaborone ga ke sa tlhole ke tlaa le direla di sports complex gore le tle le Tona, ntlha e ke batlang go e gatelela tota, kana kwa thuse Gaborone when hosting big events. Ramotswa le kile la budget for stadium gotwe ke P60 Million. Ka National Development Plan (NDP) 9 sa Gape se sengwe Tona, mo kgaolong ya South East tswa mo teng. NDP 10 gone le bo le re itsholelo e ile re tshwaragane le bothata. Maphata a mangwe a kwa tlase, se bo se ntshiwa. Gompieno jaanong ga o bue a tshwanang le bo Land management, Water and le fa e le ka sports complex le fa e le ka sepe, ke gore o Sanitation Services le bo Local Government and Rural jele semenogane mo e leng gore jaanong ga re ka ke ra Development, fa ba dira planning, ga ba tsenye mabala tlhola re kgona. Gompieno le fa ke ka re ke a botsa gore mo teng. Gompieno jaana maloba ba land board ba ne a se mo lenaneong, ke tlaabo ke itiela nako fela ka gore ba ile go aba ditsha mo mabaleng a a ntseng a ragela ke a bona gore ga se yo gone fa.

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Our teams di boaboa fela mo premier league ka gone supa fela gore golo kwa Ngamiland ga ba bone sentle. go tlhoka lebala. Fa e sena go tsena mo premier league, Ga ba ise ba bone madi go tla go tsena gompieno. ba tewa gotwe lebala la bone ke kwa Otse. Fa ba tsena kwa Otse, ba tewa gotwe, nnyaa, go na le police MR MMOLOTSI: Point of order. Nnyaa, ke ne ke re activities, ga le ka ke la tla go tshamekela kwano, yang gongwe ke tsenye mokaulengwe mo tseleng Madam kwa Molepolole. Fa le tsena kwa Molepolole, le gone Chairperson ka gore go lebega a sa tlhaloganye gore go na le activities tse dingwe, yang Lobatse. Ditlhopha gone mo Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and tsa kgwele ya dinao tsotlhe jaanong tse di neng di le mo Culture Development, go na le P2 Million yo go tweng premier league tsa ga Malete di boetse kwa morago. Le o neelwa… mo Tlokweng go ne go na le ditlhopha fela tse di tona bo MADAM CHAIRPERSON (MS KOKORWE): That Tlokweng United, bo Red Sparks, gompieno di nyeletse is not a point of order, ke correction. ka gore mabala ga a yo, ga go fiwe mabala. Tlokweng ke residential gotlhe fela, kwa ntle ga shopping complex tse MR MMOLOTSI: Nnyaa, a kere o gana gore… di dirwang fale. Jaanong a ko re tlhwaafaleng bagaetsho, re itse gore banana ba rona ke bokamoso jwa rona. E re MADAM CHAIRPERSON: No! Ga se point of order fa re dira dilo tse, re bo re itse gore re akanyetsa setšhaba Honourable Mmolotsi. sa kamoso, ga re dire sogwasogwana fela. MR MMOLOTSI: Ke point of what? Kana ngwana bagaetsho o kopa se a se bonang. Fa e MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Ke correction. Ke eng o kare ngwana fela yo o botlhale, a le six months old, o ne o sa re correction? bo o mo tsaya fela o ya go mmaya kwa ntsweng, a bo a bona ditshwene fela botshelo jwa gagwe jotlhe go ya go MR MMOLOTSI: Nnyaa, ga se correction, ke point fitlhelela a nna eighteen (18) years, fa a tswa koo fela o of order because he is denying a fact e e leng gore e re o a mmuisa, o tlaabo a bua language ya ditshwene. ntshiwa mo Palamenteng. Jaanong a ko re itekeng re bone gore re tlhabolola bana MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Ke correction. ba rona. Ke a leboga. MR MMOLOTSI: So, go na le P2 Million. Kana o a bo MR MARKUS (MAUN EAST): Tanki Madam o akantse P10 Million yole wa botsotsi. Chairperson. Tlaa le nna ke leboge Tona go bo a tlisitse kopo ya madi a gagwe. MR MARKUS: Go utlwisa botlhoko Vice President ya party behaving jaana, nnang le iketla banna, motho a Rra ke go ema nokeng, ke re o re thuse kwa Ngamiland, buelela kgaolo ya gagwe. Ga ke buelele sepolotiki, ke kwa Maun. Rra, ba nthomile, ke a rongwa. Ba re ba buelela kgaolo. O ntlogele ke buelele kgaolo ya me, kopa gore o ba thuse. Banana ba Ngamiland ga ba itse o didimale. Se se teng fela ke gore rra, ke tsweletse gore dithuso tsa youth di kwa kae. Ga ba na natso, ga ba ke go bolelela gore banana ba Ngamiland ga ba bone di bone. Ba ntse fela, go sale gotwe go sentswe madi, sepe. You have suspended programmes tsa youth kwa jaanong ga ba itse gore mo mading a go sale gotwe a Ngamiland for two (2) years, banana ga ba bone sepe. jelwe bone ba otlhaelwa eng dingwaga tse di kanakana, Ba kopa gore ba otlhaelwa eng ka gore officers ke bone ga ba bone sepe. Ga go na le fa e le project e nngwefela ba ba sentseng tsamaiso, ba utswa madi koo, jaanong e e leng gore gompieno e teng kwa Ngamiland, ka ntata punishment ke eng e tsena mo go bone? Ga go na le fa ya mabaka a gore gatwe batho mo diofising ba sentse e le ngwana yo mongwefela gompieno kwa Ngamilang madi. Jaanong go sokodisiwa banana. Le gompieno ke yo o fiwang le fa e legrant . Le fa e le policy ya lona ga e sale ke tsene, ga go na sepe se ba se boneng. bereke kwa Maun, e sule. Re kopa gore o thuse banana bao, o ba emele ka dinao thata gore ba kgone go bona se DR P. BUTALE: Clarification. Nnyaa mme ka se ba tshwanetseng. bokhutshwane fela tsala ya me, ke ne ke re ka gore go na le P2 Million yo o fiwang kgaolo nngwe le nngwe, Ba ipotsa gore ka le sa le le re you are investigating 2 kwa Gaborone Central ga re ise re mmone. A ga o ise o years ago, a le gompieno le ntse le tlhomamise fela? Fa mmone ka kwa go wena? e le gore le bone molato mo bathong, ke eng le sa ba sekise go supa tota gore ke nnete go na le bogodu? Go MR MARKUS: O bua ka madi a P2 Billion, nna ke sa sekisa batho mo, jaanong ba re nnyaa, go raya gore buelela banana. O go sele fela, o latlhegile. Doctor e ministry jaanong is punishing rona banana fela, ga go na ke mathata batho ba Modimo! Ke buelela banana, a o sepe fa ka gore ga ba bone le fa e le yo o sekisiwang, yo bua ka P2 Million wa constituency? Nnyaa monna o a o tshwarwang, go supa gore golo fa go na le tshenyetso- ntiya, o bua dilo tsa gago fela. You are wasting time. setšhaba. Ba re golo moo ba a belaela gore gongwe ba Aah! Jaanong bagaetsho ke ne ke re banana ba a bua, ba latlhilwe. Ke kopa o ba thuse mong wa me.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nna fa fatshe. o tle mong wa me ka bofefo jo bo tlhokafalang, le fa e le beke e e tlang rra o goroge. MR MARKUS: Nnyaa, tswa mo go nna. Ke nnela eng? Go na le lebala kwa Maun East la ga Goromente, ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)… tsaya jalo. Lebala le ke kopa gore le lone gongwe o MR MARKUS: Ke na le banana ba ba ntsi rra kwa ka tla wa lebelela wa thusa gore re le baakanye. Re kgaolong ya me ba ba batlang dithuso. Ke kopa to le baakanyetse constituency tournaments, gore fa go propose Minister gore, ke na le banana ba le ten (10), tshamekiwa bo di final jaana, go tshamekelwe mo teng. ba ke batlang gore o ye go ba batlela setsha ka maemo a Gongwe le teratelwe sentle le bonale gore ke lebala le gago gore, e re fa ba batla setsha, ba se fiwe ka bonako le ka tshwarelang metshameko e e rileng. Le teng gale, mme ba se fiwe kwa Delta. Ke batla gore banana ba, ba le na le lease. Ga se mo gotweng go santse go tlaa ye go aga lodge e tona e go tlaa lebegang gore banana ke ikopelwa mong wa me. Ke a itse gore dilo tse rra o a di ba, Ministry o o ba thusitse… kgona, ga di ka ke tsa go palela. Ka lebelo la gago le ke go itseng ka lone, o ka kgona. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Mma ke go leboge. Ke tlaa ema go le kalo. MR MARKUS: O ba thuse gore ba kgone go nna le MR BILLY (FRANCISTOWN EAST): Ke a leboga dilo tse di tshwanang le tse, e le banana ba iphuthile ba Modulasetilo... le bantsi, le fa ba ka nna bo ten kana twenty, gore ba tsamae le bone kamoso ba ipelafatsa ka lenaneo le la HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… gago gore, “nnyaa, rona re le banana ke fa le a re bona, re suteletse kwa pele ka lenaneo la ga Tona.” Ke a itse MR BILLY: Ke a leboga Modulasetilo. Mma ke tseye gore o na le bokgoni rra. Ga o ka ke wa palelwa ke go go sebaka se Tona ke supe fa ke go ema nokeng mo kopong dira golo moo. Ke kopa gore o re thuse thata. ya gago ya madi. Gongwe ke go beye dintlha tse pedi kana tse tharo go leka go tokafatsa ka fa o tsamaisang Rra, re kopile lebala la metshameko ya dipitse kwa dilo ka teng. Ke dumela gore, banana ke batho ba ba Maun. O a itse gore nako ele, lebala la rona go kile akanyang thata mme fa ba akanya thata, go tshwanetse gatwe le a tsewa le isiwa go sele… go elwe tlhoko sepe se se dirwang se direlwa bone. Fa o ka tsaya gongwe Rre Kast, yo o tsamaileng (walk) HONOURABLE MEMBER: La mabelo. a thousand kilometers, seo ke sekai bagaetsho sa gore monana fa a le mo kgatelelong, o tlaa leka maano otlhe a MR MARKUS: La mabelo a dipitse. Jaanong e ne e a ka kgonang mme o ne a dira in a positive way. Go na le le gore le isiwa go sele, ra bua le wena re kopa gore banana ba bangwe ba e ka reng ba le mo kgatelelong ya lebala le, le sale mo Maun le se ka la isiwa go sele. Re dilo tse ba di batlang mme ba sa di bone, ba dira sengwe kopa gore o re eme nokeng. O re eme nokeng thata, land se se bosula go leka go supa gore ga ba itumelele se ba board e a re tshamekisa kwa, o ye go re tsenyetsa moko se neelwang kana se ba se bonang. mo go bone gore ba re fe lebala le. You should develop it, e nne lebala le le kwa godimo le le tlaa tlotliwang. Fa o ka lebelela revolutions tse di diragalang mo E se lebala fela, gongwe mo teng moo, go agiwe le mafatsheng ka bontsi, di simololwa ke banana ka gore magasigasi a di shop, batho le bone ba kgone go tsena ba a bo ba sa itumela. Fa o ka lebelela ntlha eo rraetsho, moo ba rekisa, ba kgona go bona sengwe. Banana ba ke dumela o ka ela tlhoko gore ke nnete gore re na tsena mo stalls tseo ba rekisa. Ke kopa gore lebala leo le mananeo a mantsi a a diretsweng banana, mme a rra o le emele ka dinao, o re thuse. tswelela a sa dire bontle kana a sa dire se maikaelelo le maikemisetso a Ministry a se batlang. Ke dumela gore go Ke go kopa gape Minister gore, re dire lenaneo o re tshwanetse gore go diriwe evaluation e e tseneletseng. etele kwa Maun. O bitse banana ka bogolo jwa gago Gongwe la bofelo you should cluster ministries tse o tle to address them ka gore ba setse ba tseela gore tsotlhe go lebaganwe le gore kante ke eng se re ka re a ba tshamekisa. O tle to address them o ba bolelele se dirang se se ka lekang go tokafatsa ka fa re isang mathata a e leng gore o na le one mo ofising ya gago ka ditlamelo kwa bananeng ka teng. Mananeo a mantsi a Ngamiland. Rra, re mo mathateng, ga re na dikarabo fa banana a diretswe gore a ba thuse go tlhama mebereko. re tsena mo Dikgotleng. Re palelwa ke go araba, nako Re tswelela re nna le high rate of unemployment mme nngwe le nngwe ke gore gatwe go santse go batlisisiwa re ntse re na le mananeo a mantle a. Ba ba setseng ba (investigate). Re kopa gore o re etele re tle go dira tsene mo mananeong, ba palelwa ke go duela loans tsa phuthego fela e tona kwa Maun East, re biditse banana bone. Re tshwanetse gore re nne fa fa fatshe re sekaseke botlhe, re beile ditante go supafala gore Minister golo fa gore tota go ka tswa go dirwa ke eng, gore re bo re na le o gorogile o tlile go thusa bana ba gagwe. Re kopa gore diemo tse re leng mo go tsone tse.

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Rraetsho, Goromente kana ministry wa gago, HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… o tshwanetse gore a tsenye madi a mantsi mo metshamekong le entertainment ka gore ke tsone tse ke MR BILLY: Francistown! Banni ba Francistown ra dumelang gore di ka tlisa maduo. Fa o lebelela mafatshe re Franstown. Rre Molale, you are disturbing me. a a setseng a tsentse madi a mantsi mo sports and Please Honourable Member, do not do that. Do not entertainment, gongwe ke go fe sekai ka South Africa, allow me to entertain you. Se ke lekang go se tlhalosa ke lefatshe le le itsiweng ka mmino. Kenya ke lefatshe le ke gore, outdoor activities re di tlhoka mo toropong le itsiweng ka mabelo. Re le lefatshe la Botswana ga go e e tshwanang le ya Francistown. Ga gona, it is zero, na sepe se o ka se kayang se o se bonang mo bananeng mme re di bona mo Gaborone. Ke a go utlwa ka fa o se o kareng re itsege ka sone. Ke re seo se supa gore tlhalosang ka teng gore e ya go nna kwa Maun, Lobatse, re tlhokana le gore re tsenye madi a mantsi go leka go Molepolole. Ke eletsa gore o ntlhalosetse gore go dirwa tokafatsa diemo tsone tseo. ke eng gore Francistown a bo a tlogetswe kwa morago. Guidelines tsa go tsamaisa businesses… Ke buile gape gore banana ba tswelela ba tlhoka ditiro kana fa ba direlang teng. Ke tsaya gore ke dingwe tsa MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, dikgang tse e leng gore o tshwanetse go di ela tlhoko SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR gore re ka dira jang gore banana ba bone fa ba berekelang OLOPENG): On a point of clarification. Thank you teng. Operational spaces ga di yo mo ditoropong. E bile very much Madam Chairperson, thank you very much gongwe projects tse e leng gore di amana le go dirwa Honourable Member. Honourable Member, ke batla kwa dikgaolong di dirwe ka bonako ka gore koo go na gore ke itse gore fa o re outdoor activities, o papamale le space se seng kana ka sepe. sentle. O kare ke a tsietsega gone fa ka gore o ne o santse o bua ka sport facilities o re ga di yo kwa Francistown, Rraetsho, gape go na le letlhoko le le ntsi la skills. Ke even though ke itse gore go na le stadiums di le pedi dumela gore Ministry wa Education o dirile sentle gore le mabala. Jaanong fa o re outdoor activities ga ke itse o tle ka Target 20 000. Letsatsi leno mme ke dumela gore o bua ka eng. gore Target 20 000 ga e sa tlhola e le relevant ka gore ga e a dira sepe se se neng se tshwanetse gore se diragale re MR BILLY: Okay, thank you, gym equipment, ga se bone mo bananeng. Ke dumela gore if we can cluster e yo kwa Francistown. Go na le issue e nngwe e ke ministries, ministry wa gago wa se ka wa ipona o le nosi, batlang go bua ka yone ya culture. Ministry o wa Youth re ka lwantsha letlhoko la ditiro ka tsela e e leng gore Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development ga se banana ba ka itumela. one o lebaneng. Ke ne ke eletsa gore gongwe culture e ka bo e isitswe kwa Local Government and Rural Banana ke batho ba ba tshabelelwang ke dilo tse di Development kwa e tlaabong e kgona to be coordinated farologanyeng. Gompieno fa ke bua le wena jaana, motlhofo. Gape ke gore culture mo Botswana go tlaabo banana ba tshabelelwa ke social ills, ke bone ba e leng go tewa teme e nngwe fela ya Setswana, mme ke yone gore bontsi jwa bone ba tshabelelwa ke malwetsenyana. e e nang le promotion e ntsi thata. Keletso ya me ke Banana ba fitlhelwa ba le mo ditaging le mo bojalweng. gore, a diteme tse dingwe tse tsotlhe, go tsenngwe madi Re le batsadi ba bone, re bo re nna re re banana ga ba go leka go tokafatsa ditso tsa bone. Fa o bona re le mo itlhokomele. Entertainment fa e le bojalwa, monana o loagong le le ntle jaana, ke gore diteme tse dingwe di ne tlaa ya kwa bareng. Se re tshwanetseng gore re se dire tsa amogela gore di gatelelwe, kana di ne tsa amogelwa ke recreational facilities mo ditoropong le mo magaeng. gore di amogele tsamaiso e e leng teng. Ke dumela gore Fa monana a lapile tlhaloganyo, o a ikhutsa mme fa a ke nako gompieno gore go tsenngwe madi le bone ba sa lapa tlhaloganyo ya gagwe e e active, e ya go dira kgone go itemogela ka fa ba tshwanetseng go tsamaisa sengwe se se bosula. culture ya bone ka teng.

Le yone metshameko jaaka ke buile pele gore e ka thusa E nngwe rraetsho ke ya Youth Development Fund fa ba ntse ba ithuta gone foo ba tshameka ba aga mebele (YDF). Go na le ketsaetsego kwa Francistown, mme ya bone, yo mongwe o kgona to develop skill, se a neng ke dumela gore le mo Gaborone go ntse jalo. Bana ba a ntse a sa se bone kana a sa lemoge gore o na le sone. ba setseng ba isitse projects tsa bone go tsaya lebaka to evaluate them. Jaanong sone seo se dira gore monana, Ke go utlwile sentle rraetsho gore le ya go aga a fele pelo, ka ke motho yo o felang pelo ka bonako. recreational facility ya National Fitness Programme Bontsi jwa bone ba felela ba fela pelo. Fa re tla jaanong kwa Lobatse, Maun le Molepolole. Ke bo ke ipotsa gore ministry wa re, “ga ke bone banana ba ba tlang go tsaya why not Francistown. Fa o ka lebelela Francistown, ga mananeo, ba dirwa ke eng?” Lebaka le lengwe ke lone go na outdoor activities like bo gym tse e leng gore re la delay. Delay o ka e dira mo mothong yo o setseng a di bona… godile, not mo bananeng.

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Constituency allowances; ba ba setseng ba tshamekile Ke a hutsafala, e kare Puso e maikaelelo a yone e mo constituencies tsa bone ga ba ise ba duelwe jaaka atlholetse Kgaolo ya Mogoditshane gore e nne ya ke bua le wena jaana, go tswa ngwaga o o fetileng. batho ba ba tlhobogilweng. Ke bua jaana ke sa tswa go Ke ipotsa gore mathata tota a ka tswa a bakwa ke eng. umaka gore, fa ke re level of unemployment is so high Se sengwe gape re ntshitse constituency offices mo mo Mogoditshane, predominantly amongst the youth. E metshamekong e. Go bakile gore re nne le diemo tse di bo e re mo gompienong jaana ke bo ke na le dikole tsa sa tsamaeng sentle, tse di amanang le yone constituency junior community di le pedi kwa Mogoditshane. Go raya tournaments. Re setse re na le bothata jwa gore gore kwa Mogoditshane ga re na to produce dingaka, tournaments tsa constituencies ga di tsamae sentle. Go engineers kana any product in the field of science, ka na le, constituency e nngwe e e bapileng le Francistown gore dikole tsa rona tsotlhe ga gona le fa e le science East, fa gotwe metshameko, banana ba teng ba ya kwa laboratory. Gape science laboratories tse di oketseditse Francistown East, ga go laolesege. Motlotlegi o teng classes. I have a school e e leng gore an average ya gone fa wa constituency e ke buang ka yone. Ga go students in a class is sixty (60). Ke gore ke ipotsa gore laolesege, banana ba teng ba tlola fela. Jaanong diemo le fa o ne o tlisitse mmantswitswidi yo o ntseng jang, tsone tseo di bakwa ke gore… tota o teng teacher yo o ka lebagananag le classes di MADAM CHAIRPERSON: E go tšhaetse sir. le five (5) di na le bana ba le sixty (60), gore what kind of products are we going to produce. Go raya gore our MR KGOROBA (MOGODITSHANE): Ke a leboga children are destined to fail academically. If they are Madam Chairperson. Mogoditshane e le number two destined to fail academically, resort e ya go nna gore ba after Molepolole mo metseng, in terms of population leke matshelonyana. Fa kwa matshelonyaneng go pala, mo Botswana. Go raya gore kwa bananeng tota fa o bana ba ba santse ba le mo sekoleng jaana… bua gape le ka bone, dipalo tsa banana re ka tsaya gore Mogoditshane still comes second countrywide. Re le MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND mo Mogoditshane jaana, we are landlocked ka gore fa SECURITY (MR KGATHI): On a point of o tswa mo Mogoditshane ke metse fela ga gona naga ya clarification. Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson. temo kana go rua. Go raya gore tota mananeo a gago Mokaulengwe, kgang e o e buang e utlwala e tshwenya. Honourable Minister ka gore a itebagantse thata le tsa Ke ne ke re can you help by providing the details tsa temo ntswa go na le tsa kgwebo, ke lemogile gore le sekole se se nang le bana ba average 60 per class gore atisa thata, because it is simple go remelela mo go ya ke se fe, re tle re kgone go fetisa mafoko a kwa go bo temo le leruo. Ga gona kwa re ruelang teng rraetsho. Tona ba Thuto? Jaanong tota gore bana ba rona ba akole mananeo a, ke a dikgwebo. Fa e le a dikgwebo jaana, regulations tsa Puso MR KGOROBA: Ke Mogoditshane Community ya gago di thata gore bana ba Kgaolo ya Mogoditshane Junior Secondary School, in all Form One (1) classes, can access them, ka gore fa Mogoditshane a le gaufi le the average is sixty (60). I am telling you the truth. toropo go raya gore rents tsa madirelo di tshwana fela Ke boele gape kwa Internship. A ga le oketse nako le tsa toropo. Tota ga e ka ke ya re monana a simolola ya Internship ka gore bana ba a fetsa koo, ba a nna, kgwebo, e bo e le gore o kopana le rents tsa bo P8 000, ditiro ga diyo? Ke a itse gore dipalo tsa bone di di ntsi, P10 000. Tota le fa e ne le P5 000, it is still a lot of money. mme ga le leke go sekaseka. Ke a itse gore le tlile ka In the last year ke ne ka bua gape ke kopa gore a ko le Graduate Volunteer Scheme (GVS), mme ga le leke go sekasekeng regulations ka bonako jo bo kgonafalang sekaseka gore madi a mangwe le ka leka go dira budget ka gore le fa ntswa re se na naga, mme mantlonyana re ya Internship ka gore tota le fa e se tiro, golo gongwe na le one kwa Mogoditshane. Moraka wa rona ke one e ne e thusa bana gore ba nne ba totobe. Ke tshwanetse mantlonyana one a one rooms kana two rooms. Ke one go gakolola segolo jang in public offices ka gore in the a re tshelang ka one. Ga gona jarata e e senang two and private sector, it has been abused. I would not advise half kana terenanyana ya the one room gore re itshidise that we extend it to the private sector because ga ba ka one. O fitlhela e le gore batsadi are always willing batle go hira, ba hira Internship fela, mme mo diofising gore, mme o ne o ka tsaya two and half ele kana room tsa rona tsa Puso kana maphata a Puso, gongwe re ba wa gwebela mo go yone. Go bo go raya gore molao sekasekele foo. wa kgwebo jaanong o a gana, e le gore nnyaa, kana o ne a tlaa nna a leboga motsadi ka P400 kana P500, Selo se sengwe gape, as much as ministry wa gago o as compared to rentals tsa industrial and commercial lebaganye le dilo tsa banana, gongwe ke nako ya gore places. Re ne re dumalana fa o araba, o bua gore as long le lebelele le botsadi ka gore mananeo otlhe a rona a as kgwebo ya teng e se e e leng gore gongwe e borai Puso a itebagantse le banana, mme kwa botsading ga to the neighbourhood, but we are on the next year and go na sepe. Ke dumela gore ngwana fa a gola a setse nothing has been done up to this stage. a le in the early 20s, ga a ise a nne mature, between 20

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and 30, go a bo go santse go batliwa gore a nne mature. go simolola dikgwebo. Mathata a tswa mo go reng fa ba Gongwe fa re ne re ka tla ka mananeo a a ka kgatlhang direlang teng go turu, ba palelwa ke rentals tse di kwa bo mmangwanaabone kana batsadi ba bone ba ba godimo. Mathata a mangwe ke a procurement gore le santseng ba le mo ditirong, gore bogolo e nne bone ba maphata a ga Goromente bogolo jang, thulaganyo ga e ba sutelang ka gore ke dumela gore batsadi e bile ba ka a tsepama fela sentle gore banana fa ba ntsha dithoto tse dirisa mananeo botoka gona le banana. O tlaa bona e le maphata a ga Goromente a di tlhokang, ba rotloediwa gore out of 100 per cent, maybe it is 30 per cent tota ya ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Le fa re ntse re kwadile banana tota ba ba yang go tswelela sentle because of the reservations tse tsa bo 20 per cent le mo gongwe, mme maturity level jaaka ke bua, mme 70 per cent o fitlhela fela implementation e santse e le bokoa thata. Ke sone se go santse e le tshipidi tonto. Jaanong fa re ne re ka leka o bonang dikgwebo tsa bone di phutlhama ka pela jaana. to shift, re bone gore fa re ka neela bagolo mananeo a Fa ba se na go nna ba fiwa madi fa ba direlang teng ba a tlhokang a re tlaabong re dirile evaluation re bonye to sustain their businesses, gore re bo re dirisa budgets gore a ka siamela bagolo, gongwe re ne re ka bona tsa rona re le Puso go ba rotloetsa gore ba kgone go diphatlha di tlhaga mo ditirong. ikemela ka dinao, ga re go dire go tsepame. Ke sengwe se se dirang gore dikgwebo tsa banana di phutlhame. Nngwe ya dilo tse di ntshwenyang gape ke gore fa re Kwa kgaolong ya me di phutlhame di le mmalwa, e le bua ka banana, especially ba ba feditseng kwa tertiary ntateng ya rent. schools, ke bone tota ba ba senang ditiro ka gore ba a bo ba solofetse gore ka gore re tsenye sekole, re ka bona Go ne go na le banna ba bangwe kwa Mathangwane ba ditiro dingwe tse di rileng. Ke tshwenngwa ke ditiro ne ba dirile garage, ba filwe dithoto tse tsotlhe, mme e tse di santseng di tshwerwe ke batswakwa. Ke gore le gore dikoloi tsa Puso tse di mo sub-district gongwe fa o ya in all the private schools, go simolola fela ka e tshwana le ya Tutume, ga go na ope yo o ba lebang crèches go ya go tsena fela ka secondary schools, even gore dikoloi tsa Puso re ka isa kwa go bone ba ya go the private tertiary schools, ke gore all these private dira service ya tsone. Ba feletse ba tswala ka go tlhoka schools go tletse batswakwa, 90 per cent ke batswakwa. yo o ba emang nokeng ka gore ba ba ikemetseng ka Le fa bana ba ba tswa go dira Business Administration nosi mo motseng, ga e ka ke ya nna bone fela ba ba kana Computing, ditiro di seyo jaaka di seyo jaana, golo emang nokeng. Jaanong kopo ke gore golo mo re go gongwe, Target 20 000 ya dirwa sentle ngwana yo o tsenye leitlho thata, re lebelele dikgwebo le tse dingwe, tsenyeng sekole yo o rutegileng sentle, a upgrade jaaka re se ka ra taboga fela le dipalo gore re file banana ba go na le programme ya bo Post Graduate Diploma in le kana. Re lebelele gore ba re ba fileng, re ba rotloetsa Education (PGDE) a dire specialisation sa Setswana, jang gore dikgwebo tsa bone di gole ba kgone go thapa English, kana Geography kana eng fela. Batho ba, a ba banana ba bangwe ka gore fa re ka taboga ka dipalo gore ko ba sutele bana ba rona. Re tseye kgato gape re le Puso, re file ba le kana, kgantele e tlaabo e le matlotla fela e ra gagamaletse these private schools and institutions le gore jaanong bana ba mo dikolotong go sena ope yo gore ba hire. Mo nakong ya gompieno, ga se mo re ka o ba imololang. Ke sone se re tshwanetseng gore re se bong re re a Mathematics teacher kana ya Chemistry o lebelele kwa lephateng Tona gore ba le setseng le ba tshwanetse gore a tswe kwa ntle. Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse file, le ba tshegetsa jang gore ba se ka ba phutlhama. E di ka go rolang morwalo kwa bananeng fa o ka press re fa go tla go fiwa ba bangwe ba basha, e bo e le gore the relevant ministry and your Government gore ba bale bone ba tsweletse kwa pele, ba kgonne go thapa sekaseke go fokotsa batho bao. Rre Batshu le ene ga ba bangwe ka gore ga se gore banana botlhe ba ka nna ke itse gore ba ba fa permits jang bana ba rona ba tletse bo mmadikgwebo kana bo rradikgwebo, ba tshwanetse ba le qualified, e bo e le gore fa o tsena fela kwa Legae gore ba thape ba bangwe. kana Rainbow, go tletse batswakwa. Primary schools tsone ga ke bue, ke batswakwa fela, mme ba ne ba ka Kgang e nngwe Tona ke ya community fields tse o sutela bana ba rona gore ba bereke. buileng fa ka tsone, di nine (9) fela tse di buiwang fa. Gongwe ga go tlhalosege gore fa gotwe di a tokafadiwa, ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY go tewa di tokafadiwa di tsenngwa eng, se se dirang EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND gore di bo di le nine (9) fela tse di dirwang mo mafelong TECHNOLOGY (MR MOLAO): Ke a leboga Madam a beilweng fa, mme e le gore sports tse di diragalang tse Chairperson. Ke eme nokeng kopo ya ga Tona ke bo mo metseng ka go farologana, go na le mabala a banana ke tsena mo kgannyeng fela ya gore kana go tokafatsa ba ba a dirisang. Bogolo fela fa re ne re ka simolola lenaneo le la Youth Development fund (YDF) bogolo gore fa go nang le lebala, ra ya go le agelela fela, go le jang, ke gatelela gongwe mafoko mangwe a a setseng a tsenya terata gore ba kgone go le dirisa, go ka thusa go kile a buiwa ke Mopalamente yo mongwe yo o ntseng a tokafatsa seemo, go sa dirwe mabala ape a matona a a bua fa, ke go ba rutuntsha mo ba bo ya go fiwa madi a tlhokang madi a mantsi. Nine (9) yo, o monnyennyane

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thata, ga a na go ya go goroga kwa re eletsang go goroga re setse re kgona go di tlotlomatsa re itse gore dikole teng ka nako fa e le gore re ka tsamaya ka pace yone e tse di neng di tlhophilwe, how they are performing in ya gore go bo go dirwa nine (9) fela. E bile go lebega terms of sports, go na le tsela fela e e tsepameng ya ka o kare o lebile metse e metona fela. Go raya gore kwa fa ba tlhokomelwang ka teng. Ke sengwe se ke eletsang metseng e mennyennyane, ba ya go salela kwa morago, gore re se tseye ka tlhwaafalo fa re batla gore re nne ba salela ruri. Le bone a ba lebiwe go bonwe gore ba ka competitive in our sports output, re tshwane le mafatshe thusiwa jang. a mangwe.

Ke tsene mo kgannyeng ya youth centre. Kwa kgaolong Kgang ya bofelo e nna yone ya dituelo tsa metshameko ya me ga go na youth centre. Re tswa kgakala kwa ya arts and culture, dituelo tse tsa Botswana tournaments motseng wa Borolong, Mathangwane le Sebina, re di bonya. Ke selo se se tshwenyang banana thata kwa go kwalela re re, re na le lefelo ke le, o ka tla wa le dikgaolong gore ba a tshameka, go bo go nna le melatsa baakanya wa le dirisa, mme nako kgolo ke eno. e e leng gore jaanong ga ba duelwe ka nako. Mme kana fa ba ile go tshameka jaana, mo gongwe ba kopa dipalamo E nna dipotso tsa letsatsi le letsatsi gore, “kana re sale mo bathong ka go farologana gore re a tsamaya re ya re kwaletse ministry gore we offer lefelo ke le, le ka kwa motseng wa bokete, re kopa sepalamo, e tlaa re fa dirisiwa, ga go na tswelelopele, a jaanong re le tseye re re filwe madi a re a tshameketseng, re tle re go duele. le dirisetse se sele kana re le ise go sele?” Lefelo le le Fa go nna le melatsa e e tsayang dingwaga tse pedi neng le le teng kwa Borolong, ba setse e le gore jaanong kgotsa go feta, go nna bothata jaanong, e nna gore rona ba ba ikadimang ditsa batho, ba feta ba tsena mo lefelong Mapalamente ke rona ba re nnang re tshwenyega gore leo ba utswa, ba senya mme e le lefelo le le neng le na Mopalamente re pege re ye kwa mme ba na le madi a le dikago tse di ka bong di ne di ka baakanngwa fela ka ba a tshameketseng a a neng a ka ba thusa go tsweledisa madi ape a a seng mantsi gore banana ba kgone gore ba metshameko ya bone, ba ntsha le dikoloto tse ba nang le kokoanele teng foo, ba kgone go thusiwa ba na le lefelo tsone. Mma ke felele teng fa. le ba thusetswang mo go lone. MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND Kgang ya youth officers ba kgaolo, kgang e tona e nna SECURITY (MR KGATHI): Thank you Madam gore kana banana are very mobile mme fa e le gore go Chairperson. Ke go lebogile thata mme. Ke bone sebaka isiwa motho yo o ba tlhokomelang, gongwe e bile e le sa gore ke akgele mo Lephateng la ga Honourable molekane wa bone le ka dingwaga, ga go ye teng ka Olopeng. Madam Chairperson, Honourable Olopeng o gore le gone go ba kokoanya a sena transport, a sena eteletse ministry o o botlhokwa fela thata, o o neng wa sepe se a se tshotseng, go bokete thata. Go bo go raya simololwa ke mme mongwe e le Tona, mme wa teng o gore le bone banana fa ba ne ba ka iteka ba kgona go ntse mo setilong e le Modulasetilo gone jaana. E rile go thusiwa, ba felela ba salela kwa morago ka gore yo o ba tswa foo, a thaya selo sa tsamaya sentle ka mananeo, kokoanyang ga a kgone gore a ba kokoanye ka tsela e ga tshwara rre mongwe ba re ke General Pheto, o bo e lebanyeng kana ka nako e e lebanyeng a tsenelela le o nneela Mmaetsho, mme ka tshegetsa ministry o ka kwa dikgaolong tse di kwa kgakala ka gore ga a na sone matsetseleko. Ke ne ka neela fela go tlhamaletse, ke sepalamo se se mo isang. Ke re e nne nngwe ya dikgang neela monana gore a tsamaise ministry o, jaanong ke tse o di lebelelang Tona go bona a way of empowering sone se le bonang ke re... these youth officers ka ditsompelo tse di ka dirang gore ba tsenelele mo dikgaolong jaaka ba tshwanetse. MR MOLATLHEGI: Correction. Ke ne ke re ke baakanyetse Tona Kgathi, Honourable Olopeng ga se Ke lemogile fa e le gore kwa ntle ga fa e le gore ke monana, ke Tona wa Banana. tlodisitse matlho, centres of excellence, go na le lebaka go builwe gore go na le dikole tse di ka dirwang centres MR KGATHI: Nnyaa, Seretse was acting, I handed of excellence go leka go tlhabolola metshameko ka go to yo o neng a le substantive. Se ke se buang ke farologana. Ga go tlhagelele gore o di tlamela jang ka gore Tona o tshwere ministry o o botlhokwa thata, gore ba bangwe e sale fela gotwe sekole sa bolebelebe o tshwere ministry o e leng gore it is the heartbeat of e tlaa nna centre of excellence ya mabelo kana ba sports the population of this nation o e leng wa banana. Se tse di tshwanang le bo volleyball, e bo e nna yone puo sengwe se ke batlang go se tlhalosa ke gore Goromente fela go bo go felela gone foo. Ga re bone maduo, mme yo wa rona yo is pro-youth in terms of all thinking and go na le dingwaga di ka feta bobedi kana boraro kana all actions. Dilo tse tsotlhe fa di dirwa, go akanngwa bone go ntse go builwe ka tsone. Jaanong e nna o kare re banana, banana ba bewa kwa pele. Selo se ke selo se tla re bua dikgang re bo re di boela kwa morago mme re sentle se se sa diragaleng mo mafatsheng a mantsi. sa bolelele setšhaba gore nnyaa, kgang ele re e fetogetse. The reason why ke re Goromente yo is pro-youth, the Re ne re dumela gore mo nakong ya gompieno, re ka bo empowerment programmes tse di leng fa, tse tsotlhe by

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all facets, look at the budget ya Education, the entire to guide me here. Every time when we speak or purport budget ya Ministry of Education runs in billions and it is to be quoting any statistic, we are often asked to provide all for young people, it is targeting skills development. sources; but the Member on the floor is suggesting that Budget ya Health and Wellness, because young people 70 per cent of police is made up of the youth and yet in terms of statistics ke bone ba ba amiwang ke makoa he is not helping us to understand where he gets those a mantsi a a rileng, that huge budget is targeting young figures from. I do not know whether it will be procedural people. Budget ya Security within the Ministry I am to proceed just on his word, which I very much doubt. leading gone jaana, you look at over 70 per cent of the police staff are young people within the Police Force MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Botsa ene. and many of young people in the army le kwa Prisons, MR KGATHI: Madam Speaker, ke na le dipalo tsa population ya teng are young people. That huge budget babereki ba Sepodise. Ke ka tla ka mo thusa kwa ntle ga e le neng le batla go e kgaola bakaulengwe, you were House e. Le yo a sa itseng population ya banana, ke tlaa going to counter our desire to develop young people. tla ke ba thusa. Ke kopa go tswelela. This is what I really want to paint gore this Government is pro-youth in that manner and I want to put it to you Madam Speaker, Tona a lebelele EDD gore o ka ntsha gore the programmes tse re di tshwereng are globally go le kae for the benefit of the young people. That is a competitive (all the empowerment programmes). You very good policy pronouncement by this Government, e dare stand up, give me an example of a country e e ke reng e ka thusa banana gore re dire jalo. nang le programmes of empowerment tse di gaisang tsa Ministry wa ga Honourable Olopeng. Mananeo Ke leboga ministry wa gago Tona. This ministry has a a nonofileng jaana ke a ke reng ke leboga Minister transformed the music industry mo lefatsheng le. For the Olopeng gore a ba a a tshegeditse ka bonatla jo bo kana first time ever sincele tsweledisa mananeo a thulaganyo le babereki le ene. ya music, we have seen the popular polka, we have seen mmino wa Sebirwa, Sebanderu, le mmino e e rileng, e e Youth Development Fund (YDF), ka re I am challenging leng gore even before, they were not pronounced to the anybody Honourable Khan, a mphe sekai se e leng gore level where we are in this ministry. This is truly what there is better programme than the YDF in Africa and the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) stands for. Not the entire sub-region. so long ago ka 2012, this ministry produced the first ever medal from the London Olympics. This ministry MR KHAN: Clarification. Thank you Madam sent for the first time ever in the history of sport in this Chairperson. Ke ne ke re Honourable Minister o country, a team for the Africa Cup of Nations (AFCON) tlhalose gore fa o re young people o felela ka age efe competitions. We are saying these are successes that ka gore gone jaana o ntse o supa Honourable Minister will go a long way in terms of a legacy. Olopeng e le monana, le wena o tle o ipitse monana. So fa o re 70 per cent ya batho ba ba hirilweng ke banana, Coming to the constituency e ke e emetseng, it has up to what age are you talking about? got abundance of talent; exemplified by batho ba ba tshwanang le bo Shumba Ratshega le Slizer, bana ba MR KGATHI: You know, batho ba Molepolole are ba tswang kwa kgaolong. They have endowed in them, seriously unfortunate, ba na le Mopalamente yo o sa performance e e kwa godimo fela thata. itseng gore youth definition e ema fa kae! Honourable Member, wa re o emetse banana kwa Molepolole mme Ga go felele foo, kgaolo e ke e emetseng, e na le skill ga o itse gore definition ya banana e ema fa kae? Oh se se ntsi sa sport, particularly in terms of football. Fa my God! Oh my goodness! Anyway, for the benefit, it re lebelela gone jaana, ke leboge team ya rona kwa is 18 to 35, that is the youth definition. You go to the Bobonong e ba e bitsang Peace Makers, e e leng gore police and look at the statistics, look at the statistics mo Second Division, ke Number 1. E latelelwa within ya botlhe ba ba berekang mo police, we are looking at the Second Division category ke JPS e e tswang mo those numbers. Jaanong it is most unfortunate gore o le Bobonong e le Number 2 le yone. Now I am committing leloko… gore re tlaa tswelela re ba rotloetsa gore ba kgone go tsena in the First Division and eventually in the Premier The programme ya Economic Diversification Drive Division. (EDD) Honourable Member, I want you to put an effort o buisane le ba Trade, o bone how you could extract the Tona, o ne o re solofeditse stadium. Ke ne ke lebile benefit that young people can derive… budget ya gago, ga ke bone madi. Ke kopa gore fa e le gore go na le bothata, o bue le Rre Matambo o ye go DR P. BUTALE: On a point of procedure Madam kopa supplementary. Stadium sele se le se beileng kwa Chair. Thank you Madam Chairperson. I just want you Bobonong se le reng le tlaa se aga, le tle le se dire.

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Re na le thulaganyo ka December in the whole the activities of your ministry. We do not want to hear constituency e re thusang banana to empower them. about the amount of money that you have squandered, Kwa kgaolong ya Gobojango-Semolale-Mabolwe, over we want to hear about the difference in the lives of these Christmas, from the entire Christmas until bo 2nd, 3rd young people. bana ba mo kampeng go tshamekwa tournaments. We make contributions from the gate takings, mo e leng gore I also fully agree with Honourable Belle when he says it is a contribution ya community mo go ageng bana. Fa that there is indeed a need… godimo ga foo, re na le thulaganyo e e leng gore ke le MADAM CHAIRPERSON: It is Billy. Mopalamente, ke biditse banana ba ba filweng Youth Development Fund (YDF) not so long ago, gore re ba DR P. BUTALE: Oh! Yes I agree Madam Chairperson, thuse ka empowerment programmes. We ordered some it is Belle. consultants from South Africa. Ke re ke sengwe se e leng gore Honourable Khan, you must benchmark from MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Hey! Not Belle, Billy. us, o kgone go thusa bana ba Molepolole. DR P. BUTALE: I agree with Honourable Billy my Minister, Constituencies allowances, dituelo tseo ga ke brother, that there is need for evaluation. Honourable na mercy mo go tsone, go na le ditiego. Ke kopa gore Minister, I always say this to you, that there is too much o bue le bana ba gago gore ba ba duele thulaganyo trial and error in your Ministry. You are throwing money eo gore bana ba kgone go dira dithulaganyo tsa go left, right and centre. You are on some spending spree nna jalo. Ka gore ditiego tse di kana, di lapisa bana at your ministry. I think when you look back, you are mogopolo, e bile di ba ntsha mo maikaelelong. Ke a go going to see a lot of disaster in terms of the money kopa mokaulengwe gore a ko o iteye bana ba gago ka that has been spent. When I talk about trial and error, thupana. E re fa go tshwanetse gore ba duelelwe se ba how many of these programmes; you talk about Target se dirileng, ba kgone gore ba se duelwe. 20 000, Boot Camp, Tirelo Sechaba, GV something, Internship and you are spending lots of money. How Kwa thulaganyong ya mananeo a P2 Million yo o are these programmes integrated? How do they add fiwang dikgaolo, re bontshe gore ngwaga le ngwaga onto one another? Right now all of them are full. You kwa kgaolong, bana ba ba boneng projects ba kae, re are not taking any more young people into this because kgone go ba itse, re ba rotloetse, re go thuse. Ka jalo, ke you have not thought-out, you have not conceptualised re a ko re dumalaneng ba rotlhe re re, ee, motho yo re exactly what you want to get. If somebody graduates mo neele madi a ye go tlhabolola banana. Ke a leboga. from the Internship, where do they go, because you are not creating jobs? Internship is now like a permanent DR P. BUTALE (GABORONE CENTRAL): Thank job. People who are supposed to be hiring our young you Madam Chairperson. I want to begin by cautioning people are exploiting them. the Minister responsible for the Youth that as a country, we are sitting on a time bomb and I want the Minister That is why I think we need to rethink Honourable to register this, that our young people are increasingly Minister. Take all this money, put it in some strategic losing hope. We have indeed condemned our young meeting, come up with a proper strategy that will help people to soul-sapping inactivity. As much as we are our young people and take these resources to put them to spending so much money as the Minister has been good use. I think what we are doing now is just wasteful pointing out, there is very little to show Honourable expenditure that is not helping our young people. We Minister when you look at the lives of our young people. need a properly thought-out strategy. I have looked and listened to Honourable Member speaking here and I concur that something drastic has If you listen to an idea that I want to bring, a Four Pronged to be done to address the challenges facing our young Approach would help you. A Four Pronged Approach people. based on supporting or support as one anchor point. You support through capacity development of young people. I agree with Honourable Molao when he was speaking Currently I do not know in terms of capacitation, what about the change in terms of the way we approach these is your approach? I meet young people who tell me, “we issues. I speak every time in Parliament about the need may not have money, we may be poor materially, but we for us to stop reporting at the output level. He spoke in are not poor mentally. We have a lot of ideas. Setswana, and he said, “re se ka ra taboga ka dipalo gore re file banana ba le kae, bokae, re lebelele gore kwa The problem is that the ministry concerned comes to bofelong jwa letsatsi, what change has that occasioned?” us with ideas of their own, which we do not subscribe When I speak about outputs versus outcome, this is to”. Young people have ideas, and they want you to what I am talking about. We do not want to hear about capacitate them within these ideas. This is why I always

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talk about Amartya Sen who says, “Development has to HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… be about capacitation.” You need to move away from, like Honourable Molao was saying, Mathematical MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa o utlwile gore ga estimations and gradations. The first thing you give is o rate. Tswelela Dr Butale. figures, figures, but we are talking about lives. We are talking about people who want to improve their lives. DR P. BUTALE: Thank you very much. I was just So, you need to listen to young people, listen to their avenging for my brother Khan. The Honourable Member ideas, and come up with a strategy that will work for our was not very kind to him. young people. I want us as Parliament to be engaged at the idea level. One of those ways is also to engage young people. I see When the Honourable Member speaks about the need to Minister that you do try in your advocacy issues, but promote the arts, I brought a motion to this Parliament, what I want to see is mainstreaming of youth issues in about a creative economy policy. That is the kind of all spheres of development planning. thinking that I want to encourage Members of Parliament to be engaged in. Creative policies that will ensure that Youth is not about your ministry, it is about every other we indeed help young people, our performers, and help ministry. I was shocked when Honourable Kgathi was our artist to ensure that we add value to this talent that speaking earlier on purporting to paint this Government as a Government that loves the youth, and talking about they have. This is the kind of thinking; you cannot the forces, and giving example of the forces that he so expect me to come here and support boot camp that you much misrepresents. I come from a constituency where were trying it out. The moment you realised it was not there are Botswana Defence Force (BDF) camps and working, you stopped it abruptly, with no evaluation. Prisons Department. Hey! I came to this Parliament and We do not even know why it did not work. spoke about young people who have put their lives on You come up with Tirelo Sechaba. I know at some point the line to defend this nation, but they were staying in it would not work, and you will stop it. So, this trial tents in Maruapula Special Support Group (SSG) Camp. and error, you are wasting our resources and you are You tell me that that is something to celebrate; because condemning our young people to a life time of poverty. of this lack of good ideas, because you guys do not plan things; you spend on the run, now you want to come here If we look back as a country Honourable Minister, if and you want us to join you in celebrating mediocrity. you were to come here and tell us how much you are We will not. We want proper ideas Honourable Minister. spending on this trial and error stock taking measures, We like your energy; I personally like your energy, and and we look at whether there is value for money, I think if energy is properly harnessed, I guess we can then be all of us here would agree there is no value for money. able to arrive at a very good point. You make pronouncements that each constituency is MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND eligible or can get access to P2 Million. How many SECURITY (MR KGATHI): Clarification. Ke a constituencies here are getting the P2 Million; or Two leboga Honourable Member. Ke ne ke re a ko o tlhalose, Million worth? I can give any Honourable Member are you not talking at gross purposes with what the here who can stand up and say, every financial year my young people in your area desire, because there is constituency or youth in my constituency are assisted a great pronouncement ya gore re batla mananeo a with this P2 Million. It is just tokenism. You want go thusa a constituency tournaments le mananeo a people to think you are active. Honourable Minister, I moopelo le Youth Development Fund (YDF), and here said I love your energy, but the energy I think for me is in Parliament, you are saying this is wasteful. also a problem. You are running away with our money. DR P. BUTALE: I never blame God for a lot of things, You are spending on the run, and there is very little to but I always give human beings an opportunity to prove show for it. I think I am recommending here Honourable themselves over and over again. I give up on this man. Minister, stop and evaluate the damage that you have done so far so that we can save money, and save the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… future of our young people. I thank you.

DR P. BUTALE: I think my issue today is about the MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Ke a leboga idea … Honourable Chairperson. Ke ne ke re Madam MR KGATHI: Point of procedure. Nnyaa gongwe the Chairperson … Honourable Member ka o mosha mo Palamenteng, a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ko o mo tsenye mo tseleng. Fa motho a emelela a kopa clarification, ga o mo fetole ka go mo sotla. You clarify MR MAJAGA: Madam Chairperson, o kare there is a because we are debating. lot of disturbances here.

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MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Order! Gatwe go rileng ke nako. Go tshwana le sekole, o na le degree kana o na jaanong? le masters, malatsi a batho ba hira experience, ga ba sa tlhole ba kgathiwa ke gore o okametse bomang. Kgaolo MR MAJAGA: Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson, ka e, fa o bona Rre Batshu le Rre Molao ba ne ba lela e le wena o tsamaisang gone ka koo, jaanong o kare re jaana, tota go a hutsafatsa. Fa o tsaya kgaolo e tshwana setse re tsamaisa re le ba ntsi. le Nata-Gweta e e leng gore go a itsege gore ke ya batho Ke ne ke re Madam Chairperson, fa re bua ka banana, ba ba rileng ba e leng gore a lot of their programmes ke re bua gore they constitute 60-65 per cent population of tsa affirmative action, in seven villages tse e leng gore this Republic. Okay! It is true. Mongwe o tlaa ema fa mo ke tsa tengnyanateng, ke e tle ke botse mo Palamenteng Palamenteng e a bo a re, se re se dirileng, kana se re se gore ba ba boneng mananeo ke bafe. O fitlhela e le gore dirang re le the Government of the day gore go supafale tota dinako tse dingwe fa o eme mo Palamenteng fa kana mo go supegang gore re tlhokometse banana ke o re o rebola madi, o a bo o sa itse gore o a rebolela eng. For the past five years or moremadi otlhe re ntse re bomang o re go rileng. Jaanong ke re a dikgang tsone a isa kwa Ministry of Education and Ministry of Health tseo Honourable Minister, ka fa re go itseng ka teng, o and Wellness. It is fine. Madam Chairperson, ke ne ke di lebelele o bone gore di ka tokafadiwa ka seemo se se re madi a a fiwang lephata le for now, selo sa ntlha ga a ntseng jang. a lekana ka gore re tshwanetse ra ema ka dinao ra baya If you need money, come to this House, batho ba tlhola banana on the spot gore go bonagale tota gore nnyaa ba batla di supplementary gone fa and ba a di fiwa, wena mme we are caring for them and their future. o tlaabo o sentse eng. Go nne le officers tse e leng gore Madam Chairperson, maloba ke kile ka nna le toro, di ka ya go thusa banana. e le gore gongwe Tona Rraetsho Olopeng le mothusi Youth centres; Honourable Minister, ke ne ke re rraetsho wa gagwe, o kare ba ka ya kwa Ministry of Defence, eo ke a go kopa, tlhwaafala fela o tle mo Palamenteng Justice and Security. Honourable Kgathi yo o e leng re bone Mopalamente yo o tlaa ganang, o kope gore o matlhagatlhaga, gongwe a busediwa ka kwano. supplementary gore o ye mo mafelong a a saletseng E se gore ke a ba nyatsa, ba dira tiro e ntle. Mathata fela kwa morago jaaka kwa bo Okavango kwa le bo Nata- fa o re o lebelela mananeo a e leng gore a teng gone Gweta, re bone gore go nna le two or more centres fa a banana, truly speaking ga go na coordination ya tse e leng gore di a supafala. Fa o tla gone fa, re tlaa mananeo ao. The ministry has done the best jaaka re ne bona yo o tlaa ganang, yo o sa batleng gore banana ba re ka bua; mo metshamekong, mo ngwaong, there we tlhabololwe. O se ka wa re madi ga a enough fela mme o do not dispute. Ke maiteko e bile re a ba rotloetsa gore sa tla Palamenteng go kopa madi a go nna jalo. nnyaa ba tswelele ba dire jalo. Kgang e nngwe gape re bua ka letlhoko la ditiro; ke ne Madam Chairperson, fa o tsaya kgaolo ya rona e e leng ke re let us change this model, we must review these gore ke ne ke utlwa bakaulengwe fa ba ntse ba lela bo programmes. Gore re re re tlaa nna re neela banana Rre Batshu le borre Molao, Tutume Sub-District ke projects tsa maP100 000 kana maP50 000, let us come meleko ya bo Pharaoh, mathata a a tlhatlaganeng. O ya up with some model wa businesses tse di tona tsa banana go fitlhela e le goreyouth officers ba e leng gore gongwe tse e leng gore di tlaa nna le botshelo go ya kwa pele. ba na le maemo a a rileng a e leng gore a ka tsaya Let us group them, re ba neele madi a a bonalang. Fa ba ditshwetso, botlhe ba kwa Tutume. Then you take three le 10 in a constituency, then you give them P10 Million constituencies, o bo o tsaya Nata-Gweta, gatwe go na le plus, ba bo ba ya go dira mall kana a tourism business youth officers mo toropong ya Sowa. Ke gore ke ba ba jaaka kwa kgaolong ya me jaana, e le gore mafelo a teng thusang fela go tlatsa forms tsa bana, then di bo di isiwa ke a Botswana Tourism Organisation (BTO) fela le ba kwa Tutume. Jaanong o bo o ipotsa gore if you talk of ba lebaneng, banana bone ga ba boelwe ke sepe, sa bone such a huge constituency e e tshwanang le tsa bo Arone, ke go nna bo makatane le baapei fela in those lodges. ke eng officers tse di kwa Sowa di sa fiwe ditirelo tsotlhe Why cannot we take them from different villages, we tsa thusa banana, ga felela gone foo? Ga se ka ga nna go form a consortium, ba le ten, we give them P10 Million tsewa dilo tse di tswang mo Sowa di isiwa Tutume, tse ba itirele lodge le bone ba thape ba bangwe. Then we di tswang kwa Nata ka gore go na le ofisinyana koo, di will be doing something. Fa e le mo ga maP50 000, ke isiwa Tutume. O kare we are just duplicating tiro mme dikgwebo tse e leng gore di a wa. I think that one will be Sowa e le toropo mo e leng gore e ka bo e thusa banana. Ra re a banana ba thusiwe, gore maemo a rileng, mang something go ka supafala gore banana ba kgaolo e ba le ke mang, ga go sa tlhole go bereka mo dinakong tsa 10 or 15, ba ne ba bona P20 Million mme ba dirile jaana gompieno. Gore ke kwa Tutume, ke okametse bo and it will go a long way. Jaanong ke re we must change semangmang le bo semangmang, golo moo go siilwe these things re di lebelele jalo.

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MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND to reengineer the process of adjudicating applications RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR TSOGWANE): tsa YDF. Re bo re leka go tla ka model o o ka tsayang On a point of clarification. Thank you. Re dumalana le 33 days kana ke re 30 days which is a month after the wena thata le Tona o na le mogopolo oo. E kile ya re a submission ya application by a young person. Re santse tsena a bo a re he wants millionaire youths. Jaanong ke re na le mathata a se, ka lebaka la gore, fa re bua ka re fa re dumalana le wena jaana, mme tota gone ga se go sekaseka application e e batlang madi, o fitlhela e le gore madi ke one bothata jaaka re bua? gore fa gongwe go na le mathatanyana fale le fale. Ga re a nna fa fatshe re bo re itlhoboga, we are working on it MR MAJAGA: Ke a leboga Father of the House. I am and we will make sure gore re tlaa tshwara 30 days go sa still recalling his words a re o batla gore fa a tswa fa, go kgatlhalesege because re lemogile selo se sengwe se se nne le five millionaires kana o ne a re billionaires. Ke dirang gore re se ka ra tshwara 30 days yo re mmeileng, re nako ga e ise e tšhae, o ka dira jalo, then we can be ke communication. Gompieno mo this financial year, proud Batswana ka se a neng a se bua. we are going to set up what we call a communication E nngwe gape ke ne ke re, fa re bua ka banana le rona re centre at the ministry, re e bitsa war room ka gore nna le le batlotlegi re kopa gore banana ba tle mo Ntlong e. Ba Honourable Mzwinila re tlhaloganya sentle fa go ntse go e leng gore ba batla go tlogela ditiro, let us release them tsenngwa bo war jaana mo teng. Our war room will be a ba ye kwa mabaleng kwa ba ye go ipapatsa. Ba e leng communication centre e e leng gore e tlaabo e se a call gore ba fetsa dikole ba batla go tla mo Ntlong e, a re centre, there is a difference between a communication direng gore rona, bo Father of the House le bo Kgathi, centre le call centre. We will not be waiting for young re ba neele space ba tle fa le bone. Re se ka ra nna re re, people to call in and complain. On a day-to-day basis, “employment, employment” fela re sa simolole ka rona we will be sending out information to the young people fa. Le bone ba ba itlhophelwang, next time fa re santse gore ba kgone go itse gore re tshotse eng le gore re ka re le teng, re bone six e le banana fela. Re tlaabo re itse kgona go ba thusa botoka jang. gore re ya golo gongwe. Re se ka ra nna re bua fela gore, Re na le interactive websites tse e leng gore bana ba “banana, banana” re simolole le mo Ntlong e re itse gore rona ba ka kgona go… gone kwa ditiro ga di yo. MS KENEWENDO: On a point of clarification. Thank Tourism; tota ke ne ke re mo mafelong a a tshwanang a you Madam Chairperson le fa le ntimile go bua. bo Okavango le Nata-Gweta, ke kope Chairperson gore MADAM CHAIRPERSON: A-e! You are out of order. le fa o ka fetola those funding models, we will help you. Re tlaa tsamaya kwa mafelong a rona and group banana MS KENEWENDO: Sorry Madam Chairperson. ba rona at a centre … Honourable Minister, ke kopa gore le tlhalose gore, will you be lobbying for the Ministry of Communications to MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Order! It is now time for deal with high charges associated with communication; the Honourable Minister to respond. calling and internet? Will you be providing internet and MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, hotspots in youth centres so that youths can actually SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR communicate with your ministry? Thank you. OLOPENG): Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson. Mma MR OLOPENG: Thank you very much Madam ke tseye sebaka se pele ke leboge Honourable Members Chairperson. Thank you Honourable Member. Yes, ka contribution e ba e dirileng mo lephateng la me. Go indeed o a itse o le monana gore fa go tla mo the high kgonne go bua Mapalamente ba ka nna lesome mme rates tseo ke di lwantsha nako le nako. Ke sone se o mongwe le mongwe wa bone on average o buile about bonang gompieno ke ne ke na le Honourable Madigele, seven or eight points tse e leng gore di ya go dira gore ke ka gore bana ba ntse ba tsena kwa ofising ya me se ka ka kgona go di akaretsa tsotlhe mme bongwanake complaining, ba bua ka high rates tsa bo Botswana will prepare written responses gore re tle re kgone gore Qualifications Authority (BQA). E bile Honourable rotlhe re utlwane. Madigele o setse a tsere directive from Cabinet gore a ye go di phimola, go tliwe ka tse di sha, tse e leng gore Motlotlegi wa ntlha e bong Honourable Batshu, o they are affordable. ne a bua ka gore re etele kgaolo ya gagwe. Ke tse e leng gore re a itse gore re na le dikopo tse di tswang So re ya go buisana le ba Ministry of Transport and kwa kgaolong ya bone, re tlaa leka go dira jalo. A bo Communications gore re batla gore go nne le hotpots at a bua gape ka turnaround time ya Youth Development every youth centre. E bile ba re they are not just going Fund (YDF) application; Madam Chairperson this is a to concentrate mo the youth centres fela, ba ya go nna concern in our ministry. Go simolola last year we tried le the hotspots in every place tse di tshwanang le the

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mall jaana and so on. So tota maikaelelo a rona ke gore company top up ka the same P1 200.00 in order to make banana gongwe le gongwe fa ba leng teng ba kgone to it P2 400.00. Ga re batle gone gore jaanong e nne o kare access communication through Wireless Networking ke bone ba ba direlang ditiro. So re tshaba gone those (Wi-Fi) at a very, very reasonable rate. E re ya go e sala exploitations tsa gore bana ba tlaabo ba tsewa ba bo morago. ba ya go duelwa madinyana a e seng a sepe, gotwe ke waiters or waitresses. Jaanong ke bo ke utlwa Honourable Batshu a bua ka gore kwa kgaolong ya gagwe go na le mathata a gore Ke ne ke santse ke bua ka di stadium Honourable bana ba Graduate Volunteer Scheme (GVS) allowance Batshu gore re go utlwile, even other Members ba ne ya bone e kwa tlase. Ke re yes, ke a tlhaloganya, tota ka ba bua ka di sports facilities in different areas in their gore kana re bua ka GVS, the scheme or the programme constituencies and so on. Ke tsaya gore ke badile itself is self-explanatory, e bile se re se dirang at the budget. Le bone gore development budget ka re P35 ministry ke gore re batla go bereka gore jaanong e nna Million. Moo ke mathata, mme e bile madi a teng go the other way round. Bana botlhe ba e leng gore ba batla setse go na le kwa a yang teng. P35 Million yole o go ya kwa internship ba tsene pele ka GVS, gore e re ba ya go tsenya roof ya Very Important People (VIP) ya santse ba eme mo waiting list, e re ba tswa foo ke bone Francistown Stadium, a bo a boa a tlhaela. Therefore ba e leng gore they then graduate go ya kwa internship. we have challenges. What we did in the ministry, we Ka gore it does not make sense to us gore ngwana a came up with three categories that we plan mo go tsone. tsene a tsaya allowance mo internship ya P1 200.00, e Re na le stadium, mini-stadium, le community sport bo e re kwa morago a fetsa a bo a boela kwa go P600.00 development. You know, stadium re a bo re bua ka in ka kgwedi. Even though tota yone ka gore ngwana o a case of Gaborone Stadium or Francistown Stadium. bo a ithaopile, re a bo re raya fela gore re kgone gore re Mini-stadium re a bo re bua ka something smaller than mo neele madi a go ya go ithaopa koo, a palama combi that. Community sports field re bo re ya kwa kgaolong a kgone go ja lunch kwa a leng teng. Fa o bua ka the ya ga honourable makgorwane, re bo re fitlhela lebala stadiums rraetsho … la bolo la Mokgosi, re bo re le tsenya artificial turf, ablutions, scaffolding, re bo re teratelela mme re itse MS KENEWENDO: Clarification. Thank you Madam gore mo teng go na le netball and volleyball. We are Chairperson and thank you Honourable Minister. not going to come up with one size fits all, it will depend Would you be willing to reconsider opening up the gore re fa kae, tse dingwe tsa the additions ke dife, but Internship Programme for the private sector, given that football e tlaa nna the common one. Re a itse gore ke we are seeing that some of the interns in the private yone e e leng gore e ratiwa lefatshe lotlhe, ka gore gape sector are actually working without even an allowance. football pitch e dira gore re nne le track around, e e They are suffering even more unlike before when they leng gore e tlaabo e se na rubber, gongwe e le mmu. E e had a stipend from the Government. I will give you leng gore e tlaabo e le athletics, ke sone se e leng gore an example in the services sector where some of the re itse gore it will cost us around P5 Million to build the waiters, waitresses and cleaners are put under an intern community sports field. banner and are not being given anything and are just made to work for tips and are we looking at protecting Mo e leng gore fa re ne re ka bona madi sentle, re ne re those young people’s rights to ensure that at least they ka tsena to 57 constituencies very easily. Re bo re itse get a decent minimum wage? Thank you. gore at least fa e le gore ga gona stadiums mme gone go na le community sports field, because that will cost us MR OLOPENG: Thank you Madam Chairperson. between five (5) Million and ten (10) Million depending Thank you Honourable Member. Honourable Member, on what other accompanying fields re ya to develop, mo I think you are much aware that we used to post interns gongwe e nne tennis. Ga se gore re tlaa dira gotlhe gore e nne netball le football. to private sector and then we had to stop that for the different reasons. The reason why we did that is because MR REATILE: Clarification. Thank you Madam we have realised that some of the private companies, Chairperson. Ke ne ke re Honourable Minister fa o the moment they get interns into their companies they santse o le gone foo, mo development fund e e leng gore retrench permanent staff and labour ya bone depend ke ya Fédération Internationale de Football Association upon the interns. We are really looking into that. If (FIFA) ba Botswana Foootball Association (BFA) ba we happen to open to private sector again it will be leka to source madi a teng go le kae, maiteko a teng ke with condition and the condition would be, if we give a fe? Mo plan ya bone ba go solofeditse gore a ngwaga a private company interns, we would demand gore that e kana ngwaga o o tlang, go na le madi mangwe a e leng company should top up ka 100 per cent of the allowance gore they have applied for kwa FIFA for development that young person is getting from Government. Fa e le go netefatsa gore one mabala a o buang ka one ao ba gore ngwana o tsaya P1 200.00 e bo e le gore the private tswelele ba ntse ba a dira, fela jaaka ba dirile Lekidi?

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MR OLOPENG: Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson, ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. a leboga Honourable Member. Go ntse jalo rraetsho, go na le madi a e leng gore o fitlhela ba a fiwa ka BFA. Last MR OLOPENG: Ke tlaa tla ke go neela Honourable year ba ne ba tabogile around Francistown, ba kile ba Member, mma ke siane pele ka lebelonyana fa. ya go kopana le Council ya Francistown e le gore ba ne HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification, mo go batla gore ba fiwe the old stadium ya Francistown, ba yone eo Minister. dirise madi a teng to develop themselves. Ba bo ba leka go lebelela around the surrounding ya Francistown gore MR OLOPENG: Ke bo ke bua gape ka gore rraetsho, ba kgone go bona lebala go dira jalo. So ke raya gore o ne o bua ka kgang ya gore o na le mafelo a e leng gore madi one a teng rraetsho, ga ke ise ke nne le report e a kgakalanyana, a tshwana kwa Sekondomboro, ke re e siameng gore ngwaga ono go tsamayatsamaya fa kae you know that is a very good comment e e leng gore ke and so on. Ba tlaa tla ba mpolelela mo dibekeng tse pedi a e rata. Bongwanake ba a itse gore le ba reile la re, you gore ngwaga ono ba ya go bona bokae jang. Re bo re should not come up ka a policy or procedures tse e leng kgona to share ideas gore re kgone go dira projects tse gore ke one size fits all, because all constituencies are di tshwanang tsele mmogo. not the same. Fa gompieno o tsaya Constituency ya ga Honourable Mmolotsi ya Francistown South, molelwane Library; Rre Batshu re a lebisisa rraetsho gore re bone wa yone le constituencies tse dingwe kana le wards gore go tsamaya fa kae kwa kgaolong ya gago. Ke a itse tsa gagwe ke sekonotere, but fa o tsaya constituency e gore o bua ka motse o motona o e leng gore o fetilwe ke tshwana e e tswang kwa Kgalagadi, o fitlhela e le gore reading room, ka gore re na le di reading rooms re bo re a ward is 100 kilometres away from another ward. So nna le library, gore re bone gore phatlha ya rona e ntse therefore we cannot compare the two. Re tshwanetse jang, ka gore re na le sponsor ba Rothschild, ba e leng gore re tswe ka ditsela tse e leng gore re tlaa kgona go gore ba a re thusa le bone go aga libraries in different isa the services kwa bathong, because kwa ministry wa areas. rona ke gore re ise services kwa baneng, bana ba kgone Cultural festival; I really appreciate that rraetsho gore to access them go le gaufiand so on. Ke tsaya gore fa ke we are really encouraging different constituencies and ntse ke riana ke buelela le ba bangwe ba e leng ba ne ba districts to hosts cultural festivals. Ka gore dilo tse fa re reeditse dikgang tse di tshwanang tse… bua ka culture, re bua ka kgang e tona e e leng gore e a re kopanya re le morafe wa Botswana. We are where we HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. are today because re tsere culture ra e isa kwa godimo, ga re gatelele batho. Re na le bo Language Day, so go MR OLOPENG: Rre Butale, o bue ka bonako o se ka letlelela gore batho ba kgone gore ka letsatsi la teng wa tla to debate fa. ba ipoke ka diteme tsa bone, ba reng, jalojalo, gore re DR P. BUTALE: Nnyaa, e o neng o e tlogela fa kgone gore go itsege gore re tswa kae, re ya kae. moragonyana ele ya open spaces. Le le lephata, le thusa Honourable Arone, ke a go leboga rraetsho gore you jang banana ba ba kopang open spaces? Kwa kgaolong appreciate the kit e o e boneng kwa go nna. E ne e sa ya me ke itse gore ba ba ntsi ba kopana le dikgwetlho tswe from ministry, e tswa from my personal pocket, ka fa ba batla go diragatsa sone se o reng ba ka kgona go gore bana ba gago ba ne ba nkopile. Ke a go leboga se diragatsa. rraetsho gore o ne o bua ka lefatshe, gore bana ba tlhoka MR OLOPENG: Ke a leboga Honourable Member. lefatshe and ba tlhoka operating spaces. Ke batla go go Banana ba tshwanetse gore ba tle kwa Ministry fa e gakolola gore fa re se na go nna re ya go kopa open le gore ba bone open space golo gongwe, ba sena go spaces, gore banana ba dirise the open spaces wherever dira consultations le land authorities gore ba itse gore they are, re ne re sa bue ka dilo tsa ditoropo fela, tsa bo ba batla go dira eng, ka gore ga go thuse sepe a tla Gaborone, Francistown, Lobatse le Selebi Phikwe. Re kwa go rona, go bo go re le rona re boele gape to land ne re bua ka everywhere, gore banana can use existing authorities re botse gore a ngwana o ka dira a, b, c, here. operating spaces on permanent and also temporary Go batla e re fa a bona open space, a bo a check ba Town bases. Depending gore ba batla go dira eng, mme and Regional Planning fa e le gore ke mo toropong. together in consultation with land authorities. Ga re Fa e le gore ke kwa motseng, a check le ba land board batle seemo se e leng gore bana ba tloga ba ya go baya gore ba ne ba ikaelela go reng and gape gore ba batla businesses tse e leng gore ga di a siamela fa e leng gore di ka tswa ba di beile teng. O bo o fitlhela ngwana a aga go baya permanent or temporary structure. Fa a na le mortuary fa kgorong ya jarata ya gago, le bo le lala le dikgwetlho, a bo a tla kwa rona a re, “kana ba a pala nna le nightmares bosigo, ka gore le tshaba batho ba ba jaanong, ga ba kgone gore ba nthuse ka fa ke neng ke suleng. solofetse ka teng.”

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MS KENEWENDO: Clarification. Thank you very dira jang go direla bana ba rona botoka, re se ka ra rwesa much Madam Chairperson and Honourable Minister. barutabana morwalo wa gore e tlaa nna bone fela ba e While you were discussing the issue of land and open leng gore ba tlaa dira ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. spaces, can you please also quickly brief us on the status of those low hanging fruits that were said to help Honourable, o ne o bua gape ka gore ke rile re tlaa enable doing business environment for young people, in aga stadium within the close proximity ya ditoropo, ya particular if we have managed to deal with the issue of Gaborone and so on. You know, indeed this is our plan, trade licenses versus registration certificates that were this is our thinking because what we want to do ke gore given to young people operating at home? Thank you. gompieno you are aware gore for us to host Africa Cup of Nations (AFCON), we need to have 40 000 seater MR OLOPENG: Ke a leboga Honourable Member. stadium and currently we do not have any. The biggest Honourable Member, yes, I also want to appreciate batho is Francistown ka 25 600. We need something like that. ba Local Government and Rural Development because Dikakanyo tsa rona e ne e le gore re leke to develop fa ba ne ba re reetsa fa re ba kopa gore re batla gore bana re ka bona madi. We have to develop go simolola ka ba simolole go dira dikgwebo even kwa malwapeng, metse kana dikgaolo tse e leng gore they are close to the re leka go ba ntsha gone mo dikgannyeng tsa bo trade cities ka gore re itse gore fa o na le a big tournament e licenses, ka gore go ne go tsaya lebaka, e le gore their e tshwanang AFCON mo Gaborone, Francistown kana policy demands a lot of things. Ke batla go go raya ke re, e le mo Tonota ka gore Tonota o bapile le toropo kana what we are doing at the moment, is to try and get Local Ramotswa jaaka o ne o bua rraaetsho, batho ba tlaa Government and Rural Development to assist us to send kgona go itse facilities tse di tshwanang le tsa boroko, information down the ladder ka gore fa gongwe o tsena they are available, the city already has those. So, e ne mo dikgaolong tse dingwe o fitlhela e le gore ba kganela e le our plan. Mathata a rona a matona rraetsho ke gore bana go direla mo malwapeng. We receive a number of ga re nke re ba re nna le budget e e enough gore go bona complaints from the youth gore fa gongwe ba kganela gore re ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang. bana go direla kwa malwapeng, mme o fitlhela e le gore Honourable Members, fa ke ntse ke tsamayatsamaya le mo kgaolong e nngwe go a dumalanwa. So, we really lona ka bongwe ka bongwe, ke rata dikakgelo tsa lona, e have to make sure gore we reconcile all this, re bone bile go a supa gore lotlhe le tshwenyegile ka gore re na gore re communicate rotlhe ka lentswe le lengwe fela le mathata as a country, banana ba rona constitute about and so on. Those reservations and exemptions, I want to 60 per cent of the population of this country, majority assure you di a bereka, re bona maduo a tsone because of them are currently walking the streets e le graduates ever since e simologile, re ne ra nna le applications tse and so on. What should we do? Why is it like that? It is di ntsi go feta dingwaga tsotlhe kwa ministry wa rona not only in Botswana. It is all over the world. Why? We and so on. know gore evolution ya technology has actually created this big problem around the world jaaka re tlhola re Bagaetsho, fa re bua ka character building or behavioral bua gore gongwe le gongwe kwa re buang teng re re, change jaaka Honourable Rantuana a ne a bua gore bana a factory that used to produce about a thousand tonnes ba dirwa ke education, gore education ya gompieno e re e of goods e dirisa batho ba le hundred, today the same fang bana ga e a siama. Ke a utlwa Honourable Member, factory will produce 2000 tonnes of the goods ka ten but at the same time, ke batla go go raya ke re, a re se ka ra ipaya gore re le batsadi, re beile gore barutabana (10) people because the rest is computerized and so on. ke bone ba tlaa layang bana ba rona, ba tlaa dira gore Therefore, what do we need to do? We need to make ba tsenye bana ba drone discipline. Even as Members sure that we refocus as opposed to pointing fingers. We of Parliament, we have a challenge where gompieno should be advising each other accordingly re re, “what o tsena kwa dikoleng, o fitlhela bana kwa dikoleng, ga should be do?” Re tshwanetse re itse gore fa re na le go na motsadi yo o tlang go tsaya report ya ngwana, departments tse di tshwanang le Innovation Hub and so ga go na motsadi yo o bonang gore ngwana o dirile on, re direle bana ba rona, re ba ise koo, re ba encourage, homework and so on. That is where now the behavior ka o ne o utlwa gompieno Honourable Madigele a ne a ya bana rona e deteriorate ka teng because batsadi ba bua gore ba bulela bana diofisiand so on gore le bone go bangwe ba gompieno, ba ipolelela gore ngwana o tlaa tsena mo technology, ba kgone go itse gore fa re bua ka tlhokomelwa ke barutabana as opposed to their parents. bo MyZaka and all that, di dirwa ke bana ba rona. Ga re Re a itse gore we were disciplined ke batsadi ba rona ka ke ra simolola re re, re ipolelela gore re tlaa kgona to kwa malwapeng but gompieno go lebega o kare this thing is dying off. Re le Members mo Ntlong yone e, create factories ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Yes, we will do re tshwanetse re bone gore we interrogate these things that, but re itse gore di ya go hira bana ba ba kwa tlase more kwa constituencies tsa rona. Re bone gore re ka and so on. Ntlhaile!

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MR NTLHAILE: Clarification. Thank you very much. ke ne ka araba a Parliamentary question gore we did a tracer study, sending our officers around the country, MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, ga ba batla go bona gore businesses which we funded from se wena Chairperson. Ema o tswelele o bue. Ke tlaa the inception of this programme ya Youth Development mmitsa. Fund (YDF), how many are they, where are they, what MR OLOPENG: I am sorry Madam Chairperson. O status are they in? I reported fa gore, we had 85 per cent ne a kopile clarification. Legale fa go ntse jalo, Madam success, businesses tseo di eme ka dinao di tsamaya ka bo Chairperson o tlaa go utlwela botlhoko Rre Ntlhaile. tsone, hence I am advocating for this House to support me gore re tswe ka lenaneo la refinancing of existing MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa go siame … businesses as opposed to set-ups every time because we (Laughter!)… should know gore businesses tseo tsa banana were funded ka P100 000 and obviously they were undercapitalized MR NTLHAILE: Thank you Madam Chairperson. right from the beginning. Bana bao ba setse ba itshupile Thank you Honourable Minister. I just want to know gore they are entrepreneurs fa o bona ba kgonne go Honourable Minister whether your ministry is at all lwantsha businessses tsa madinyana a a kalo gore di considering setting up a hub for arts because we have goroge fa di leng teng. So, ke tsone dikgakololo tse ke di got very talented young people in this country which batlang tseo, e seng gotwe, “nothing is working, nothing will position this country, as a regional hub for the arts is working.” E se ka ya re ke tshwara meeting kwa and culture? Is this something that you are considering kgaolong ya gagwe ke ba bolelela gore Mopalamente a to set up, where all the artists, be it painting, tapestry re ga a batle mananeo a lona ao, they should not blame and basket weaving where they can operate and actually me, ba itse gore go ne go bua Mopalamente wa bone. I position the country as an export for the arts in the summarise by saying sport infrastructure; we have three region? (3) categories that we have to focus on fa re ka bona MR OLOPENG: Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson. madi. Youth centres, re lela selelo se se gakgamatsang Ke a leboga Honourable Member. Honourable Member bagaetsho gore bana ga ba na fa ba ikatisetsang, fa jaaka o itse gore ke ne ka bua maloba mo Palamenteng fa binelang le fa ba opelelang teng and so on. E bile fa Honourable Butale a tla ka motion wa creative industry, re tla ka spaces tse bana ba rona ba ka kgonang go dira ke ne ka mo raya ka re, kana re setse re na le team e e businesses teng, we have a concept e e leng gore we are leng gore together with the Ministry of Investment, Trade working on it right now, re ya go bitsa private sector. and Industry, we have a technical team e e berekang mo Ya gore re tle ka youth malls, re bo re bona lefatshe guidelines tsa gore re tle re kgone re simolole go bona re bo re aga youth malls and so on. Re bo re itse gore gore re ka tswa ka a proper policy ya arts. Ke dumalana those youth malls di tlaa kgona go tlisetsa bana ba rona le wena rraetsho, we need to do that. O tshwanetse go space ka nnetu e e kwa tlase because re dirisitse private itse gore Botswana is a big country geographically. sector ba ba sa ba batleng go bona returns overnight, We are looking at 580 000 square kilometres of land and so ga ba na to charge exorbitant rate, at the same re le lefatshe la Botswana. Fa o lebeletse Okavango le time trying to change the mind-set. There is this belief in Ramatlabama, we are talking of thousands of kilometres. this country ya gore for you to run a business, you have So, re batla gore re nne strategic re itse gore fa re lebile to be operating within a two hundred square metres. It kwa Okavango, re ka create gongwe ka gore re itse gore is not like that, in other countries they operate within ke batho ba ba tlotlegileng ka bo ditlatlana and so on, re cubicles, di le well stocked. Fa o fitlhela motho a ntse ka create that particular one ka koo. The other district... mo two hundred square metres, mabotlele a mayonnaise something else and so on so that re kgone go itse gore re a le mararo, a tomato sauce a le four (4), and a duela rent akareditse mongwe le mongwe lefatshe lotlhe ka tsela e e e kanakana a re he/she runs shop. We want to change e ntseng jalo. the mind-set among our young people gore ba se ka ba tla ba dumalana ka dilo tse di ntseng jalo. Ka gore ke go boleletse gore ke tloga ke move Madam Chairperson, ke lebeletse gore fa gongwe fa re le Yo mongwe kgantele o ne a bua gore go nne le scheme Honourable Members, re bo re debate mo issues tse di se se tlhokomelang batho bangwe kwa ntle ga banana. amang matshelo a banana, ke lebetse contribution ya Yes, I am in support of that, I want to propose gore re Honourable Dr Butale, sometimes it so disappointing nne le scheme re bo re se bitsa re re ke bridge, e le a fund gore Honourable Butale as hardworking as he is, he will e e tlhokomelang over 35 to 64 ka gore 65 ba tlaa tsaya stand up and condemn and rubbish everything. Really, tandabala and so on. Re lebeletse mo maturity of those o ipotsa gore should we respond to him or should we gore already they have assets, ba na le masimo, dipolase, just take him gore is at a rally and so on and so forth? le everything. The intention here is not to make everyone A re ga a bone le fa e le sepe. Last year in this House, a business person, and create employment. Therefore, fa

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re simolola re dira scheme se se tshwanang le seo, they INTRODUCTION would be actually empowering those elderly people ba ba mature already to start businesses and employ ba e Madam Chairperson, Honourable Members, I am leng gore gompieno they are roaming mo seterateng ka honoured to present my Ministry’s budget Estimates nako e re buang ka yone. for the financial year 2017/18 under Organisation 2300 for consideration and approval by this Honourable Ke wela before I move Madam Chairperson, I want to Committee challenge this leadership here in this House. Gompieno if I could pick a le mongwefela ke bo ke botsa gore, The Ministry of Infrastructure and Housing Development how many youth programmes do you have in your (MIH) was established in October 2016 as a result constituency? They do not know, even their Councillors of the re-organisation of the Government portfolio in each ward. They think it is the responsibility of the responsibilities. Infrastructure relates to construction Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture and maintenance of Government buildings and Housing Development. It is wrong, as leaders we have to know, Development focuses on ensuring that citizens have re rotloetse our Councillors at our ward level. Le rona access to affordable housing or shelter and promotes re le Mapalamente at constituency level, re itse gore home ownership through affordable housing schemes. how many youth programmes we have in our own The mandate of MIH primarily focuses on ensuring the constituencies, so that re kgone go itse gore ba tlhoka development of sound and quality building infrastructure eng, ba ka thusiwa jang? E re le nna ke tsaya dikgang for use by Government. MIH also facilitates the le Mopalamente e se a Parliamentary question, a bo a development and growth of the construction industry nthaya a re, “bona, this is what I am doing mo kgaolong through providing a conducive policy and legislative ya me. Ke rotloetsa bongwanake to do this, ke batla environment. Furthermore, the Ministry promotes thuso ya gago fa” and so on because we do not want to dignified livelihood through provision of housing, as this thing just for the sake of funding young people. Re well as creating an enabling environment to facilitate batla go bona maduo and so on. other stakeholders to participate in housing delivery. Madam Chairperson, ka a le kalo ke re this concludes As the custodian of National Housing Policy, the my presentation of 2017/2018. I therefore, move that Ministry sets housing regulations and facilitates its the sum of Eight Hundred and Forty-Three Million, implementation in partnership with stakeholders. Eight Hundred and Forty-Six Thousand, Six Hundred and Ten Pula (P843 846 610) under Recurrent Budget Notwithstanding that this Ministry was only established for Organisation 2200 be approved and stand part in October 2016, I will nevertheless apprise this of the Schedule of Appropriation (2017/2018) Bill Honourable House on some of the achievements realised and Thirty-Four Million, Six Hundred and Eighty-Six by the Ministry as well as challenges encountered during Thousand Pula (P34 686 000) for Organisation 2200 the 2016/17 financial year. under Development Budget be approved and stand part PUBLIC BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE of these Estimates for the financial year 2017/2018. I move accordingly Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, as I indicated previously, this Question put and agreed to. Ministry has established three (3) Registration Boards, being, the Engineers Registration Board, Architects ORGANISATION 2300 - MINISTRY OF Registration Council and the Quantity Surveyors INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING Registration Council. These Boards are now making DEVELOPMENT significant progress towards enforcing their relevant Acts. MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Members, let us move onto the Ministry of Infrastructure Since coming into operation, the Engineers Registration and Housing Development, and that is Organisation Board, has received over 3, 600 applications of which 1, 2300. Please note that two (2) hours, five (5) minutes 050 were received during the year 2016 alone. So far 2, has been allocated to this organisation. I shall call upon 651 engineers or 48 per cent of all applications received the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 16:35 have already been registered, out of which 461 or 17 per hours tomorrow and the question will be put at 17:05 cent are engineers employed by Government. hours. Honourable Minister, the floor is yours. On the same note, the Architects Registration Council MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND received 274 applications (architects / architectural HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): technologists/architectural draftsperson) of which Madam Chairperson, thank you very much. 169 architectural professionals have been registered.

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The number of candidates issued with certificate of completion stage or rental/purchase stage. From April registration and practising certificate increased shortly 2016 to date, the Ministry has conducted sixty-one following the examinations that were conducted in (61) inspections, twenty-four (24) of these inspections November 2016. sought to establish whether the projects were ready for practical completion or handover. The remaining thirty- With regards to the Quantity Surveyors Registration seven (37) inspections were ad-hoc and were aimed at Council, the founding Registrar was officially appointed helping ministries to decide on whether to purchase or in February 2016. The Council has since made rent the identified facilities. commendable progress with regard to the establishment of its office whose function is among others to oversee The construction of Shakawe Primary Hospital has the day to day administration activities of the Council just been awarded at a contract amount of BWP including registration of Quantity Surveyors. The 309,898,812.00. Currently the contractor is mobilizing Council is expected to commence the registration of on site; the project is expected to start in March 2017 Quantity Surveyors as soon as the Quantity Surveyors and be completed by September 2019. The Ministry Registration Regulations and the Code of Ethics are undertakes to complete the project within time, cost and completed. Consultations on the completion of these quality/specifications. documents are currently ongoing and expected to be finalised in due course. It is worth noting that the stated The construction of the Forensic Science Laboratory for instruments are pivotal in guiding Professional Conduct the Botswana Police Services in Gaborone was awarded Standards for Quantity Surveyors in Botswana and will in November 2016. The project, which is valued at BWP th thus play a critical role in facilitating the envisaged 267,627,547.00; started on the 9 January 2017 and is registration process. scheduled to be completed in April 2019. The Ministry is monitoring this project closely to ensure that it is The review of the Building Control Act has commenced finished within time, the agreed contract amount, and and the Draft Inception Report was submitted by the quality/specifications. consultant in December 2016. The reference group has already considered and approved the inception report In addition, the construction of Mmathubudukwane th and instructed the consultant to proceed to the next phase Police Station and staff housing started on 9 January of the project. The approval of the inception report has 2017 and will be completed in January 2019. The project paved way for the development and submission of the was awarded at BWP161, 637, 159.00… 1st Draft Revised Building Control Act as the next key MOTION milestone and is expected to be achieved by April/May 2017. ADJOURNMENT

Madam Chairperson, as previously indicated during MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND presentations to this Honourable House, my Ministry RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR TSOGWANE): continues to create a self-regulatory environment in Thank you Mr Speaker. As that concludes the business which the construction sector can develop and grow on today’s Order Paper, I now move that the House can so as to meaningfully contribute to the growth of the adjourn. Thank you. country’s economy. In this regard the Construction Industry Authority Draft Bill was received from Attorney Question put and agreed to. General’s Chambers on the 19th December 2016 for our The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:01 p.m. until perusal and comments. The target is to submit the Draft Tuesday 21st March, 2017 at 2:00 p.m. Bill to Cabinet for consideration during the first quarter of 2017/18 culmination in its submission to Parliament for consideration during the July Meeting.

Madam Chairperson, I would like to take this opportunity to update this Honourable Committee on the progress on some of the building infrastructure projects under my Ministry.

The Ministry continues to deploy the services of its Audit Teams to ensure that all new construction projects and procurement of offices and staff houses from the private sector service providers are fit for purpose at

42 Hansard No 187 HANSARD RECORDERS Mr. T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Ms T. Rantsebele, Mr M. Buti, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms D. Pheko, Ms G. Baotsi, Ms N. Mokoka, Ms B. Pinaemang

HANSARD EDITORS Ms W. Mbeha, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, G. Lekopanye

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi

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