October 28, 1999 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11137 proposing. We are proposing that ’s economic problems, we must During his tenure as the chief archi- Americans have the right to advise still be engaged but be engaged in a dif- vist, there was a decision made in Mos- their banks to provide them banking ferent way. cow to relocate the central files of the services but not to allow the use of I rise tonight, however, Mr. Speaker, KGB from downtown Moscow to one of those banking services for marketing to discuss a security issue relative to the Ring Road sites. Since Mitrokhin purposes against them by some other Russia based on a set of hearings that was in charge of the archives, his job affiliate or third party. That should I have conducted on my subcommittee was to monitor these archives and al- not be too much to ask. over the past 5 years. Two years ago, ways keep them under his control. In So, Mr. Speaker, in closing, I would Mr. Speaker, I had the highest ranking fact, he oversaw the move of the files like to say that we are on the cusp of GRU defector ever from the former So- had to be checked out of the Moscow a new dawn when it comes to financial viet Union, Stanislav Lunev come be- site and then checked in at the new services. We are at the eleventh hour, fore our Committee on Armed Services, site, both of which were done by this is last chance we are going to have and in a hearing that was open to the Mitrokhin and people who worked for to ensure Americans their privacy. And public, but in which hearing we had to him. while this bill, H.R. 10, may have sort hide his identity because he is in a wit- Now, he had been recognized during of corralled one horse, the one horse ness protection program in this coun- his career as an outstanding public that is involved in raiding our privacy, try, he testified about his role as a servant in the . In fact in it has left 5 to 500 out of the corral. Be- GRU agent and what his responsibil- the book, there is a photograph of the cause while it has helped on third- ities were. documentation awarded to him signed party privacy protection, it is going to During that testimony, besides giv- by the chief of the KGB praising him create a whole new host of financial or- ing us an insight into the mindset of for the outstanding work he did on be- ganizations. And they are going to be Soviet intelligence, he talked about half of the Soviet Union. given the opportunity to violate our what he thought may in fact continue But because Mitrokhin privately did rights of privacy, to telemarket us at 7 to be some problems with our relation- not like many of the practices of the o’clock at night. ship with Russia today. One of the KGB, especially those individual at- Mr. Speaker, I am here to stand for more troubling things that Lunev tacks on people and the attacks on eth- any American in the next decade that spoke of was when he was assigned to nic groups, he secretly during his ca- gets a call at the dinner hour when the Washington embassy of the former reer of over 2 decades on a daily basis they are trying to sell them a product Soviet Union, under the cover of being copied down in his own handwriting as using their checking account, their a Tass correspondent, one of his pri- many of the KGB files as he could. credit card, their Social Security num- mary responsibilities was to identify Each day during his tenure as the head ber or other information. And I hope and locate potential sites for the drops archivist of the KGB, he would then they do not call me at 6 o’clock to and the location of sensitive Soviet place these handwritten notes inside of complain, because I am here tonight military equipment and hardware that his clothing, would sneak them out of trying to get the U.S. Congress to pro- could be accessed in time of a conflict the KGB headquarters, and on a daily hibit that practice. in the . basis put them under the flooring of his f Now, we had no separate way of cor- dacha. He did this for a number of roborating the testimony of Mr. Lunev years, assembling a huge file of hand- FURTHER MESSAGE FROM THE at that time, yet these comments were SENATE written notes that basically were cop- made on the public record and were ob- ied from the KGB archives. A further message from the Senate viously of great concern to us. Well, In 1992, after the reforms took place by Mr. Lundregan, one of its clerks, an- this past summer something new hap- in Russia, Mitrokhin emigrated nounced that the Senate had passed pened, Mr. Speaker, and that was that through one the three Baltic states. He without amendment a joint resolution the Cambridge scholar Christopher An- initially went to an American embassy of the House of the following title: drew, who has written over 10 books, and told them who he was and the kind H.J. Res. 73. Joint Resolution making fur- very scholarly books on intelligence of information he had. For some rea- ther continuing appropriations for the fiscal operations around the world, and who son, he was not able to link up with the year 2000, and for other purposes. has specialized in the intelligence of American Government to allow him to f the former Soviet Union and the cur- emigrate to the West. He then went to SECURITY ISSUES RELATING TO rent practices of the current intel- the British Embassy, and the Brits of- RUSSIA ligence operations inside of Russia, fered him complete asylum for himself Christopher Andrew was able to get ac- and his family. The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. cess to a series of files that have been In fact, since 1992, he has been living FLETCHER). Under the Speaker’s an- given to the British Government. nounced policy of January 6, 1999, the along with his family under a secret gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. b 2000 identity in Great Britain. He brought WELDON) is recognized for 60 minutes. For 6 years he worked on the files in the files with him, the handwritten Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. Mr. a way that allowed him to produce a notes that he had copied from the KGB Speaker, as I have done frequently in book last month which was the basis of archives. the past, I want to just talk this the hearing that I chaired. I want to go Obviously, there was a huge wealth evening about a situation that oc- through that because the testimony of of information about actions that went curred in a hearing this week relative Christopher Andrew reinforces what on within the Soviet Union by their in- to our relations with Russia. Stanislav Lunev had said in our com- telligence services. The Brits, when The last time I addressed this body it mittee hearing 2 years prior. Some they got this cache of information, re- was to focus on a new direction in our very troubling information came out of alized they had something that was in- relations with Russia, a new set of that, and there is, I think, reason for valuable because it gave the West the eight principles that the factions of the us to move quickly. first complete insight into what kinds state Duma had agreed with, allowing I have written to Secretary Albright of actions and activities the KGB was us to continue to provide investment and hope tonight to dwell upon why I involved in, what kinds of things and economic opportunity in Russia think it is important for the adminis- against America and the West. but to set some new guidelines. That tration to act on the findings of Chris- There were some other startling bill, which I dropped approximately topher Andrew in his book. pieces of information in those files. one month ago, had 25 Democrat and 25 It seems as though, Mr. Speaker, The British Government, in getting Republican sponsors when I introduced that the head archivist for the KGB these files, wanted them to be thor- it. We have now gotten additional sup- files in Moscow for a period of over 20 oughly examined, reviewed, and trans- port and, in fact, we are hoping to con- decades by the name of Mitrokhin did lated by someone that they had con- tinue to grow the kind of movement in not like the kind of activities the KGB fidence in. And because of Christopher the Congress that says that in spite of was involved in in the Soviet era. Andrew’s reputation as a Cambridge

VerDate 12-OCT-99 03:43 Oct 29, 1999 Jkt 079060 PO 00000 Frm 00069 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K28OC7.198 pfrm02 PsN: H28PT1 H11138 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 28, 1999 scholar and Russian intelligence ex- with bombs that would go off if some- in Belgium, national papers reported pert, they brought him in and gave him one attempted to dig up the cache of Wednesday. The caches were found in complete access to the Mitrokhin files. weapon materiel. forests in the center of the country and For 6 years, Mr. Speaker, Mitrokhin Mr. Speaker, at least two countries contained radio sets dating from the on a regular daily basis met with An- that I am aware of, in getting informa- late 1960s, according to Jos Colpin, drew and he and Christopher Andrew tion from the Mitrokhin files, were spokesman for the Brussels prosecu- developed this publication which was able to get the exact locations of the tor’s office. The location of the hiding released on the market in September of sites that Mitrokhin copied down from places was revealed in documents this year, just one month ago, entitled the KGB files, Switzerland and Brus- passed over to Britain in 1992 by the ‘‘The KGB Files: The Sword and the sels. In each case, the governments of former KGB archivist Vasily Shield, the Mitrokhin Archives and the those two countries went to the exact Mitrokhin. Those documents form the Secret History of the KGB.’’ sites identified in the KGB files as out- basis of a new book, ’The Mitrokhin There is extensive documentation of lined in this book. Archives,’ by British academic Chris- what Mitrokhin found and the files The exact locations marked off by topher Andrew, to be published short- that he was able to remove in his own landmarks above ground led the gov- ly.’’ handwritten notes. But, Mr. Speaker, I ernments and the agents of both of Well, that book has since been pub- do not have time tonight to go into all these countries to sites where they dug lished. the details the way the KGB manipu- down. In each case, the sites were So now, Mr. Speaker, we not only lated the response in America to the booby-trapped. have the testimony of Lunev 2 years J.F.K. assassination, the way the KGB In fact, following the Swiss exca- ago that, in fact, his job as an agent in attempted to manipulate the percep- vation of the one site, the Swiss Gov- the Soviet Embassy here in Wash- tions of the FBI here in our country. ernment put out a warning to its citi- ington was to locate sites in America But all that is here in the book. zens that if they were to encounter a where weapons caches could be But there is one set of facts that I do similar site, they should not go near it prelocated, now we have confirmed in- want to focus on this evening because because the bombing device that was formation that several of these sites they involve the security of American used to protect the site of the Soviet have been located based on the people throughout this Nation. weaponry was strong enough to kill a Mitrokhin files in both Switzerland Mr. Speaker, I am not satisfied with human being. and Belgium. the response to date of what is con- The Swiss Government and the Bel- The question then arises, what about tained in the files. In the files, Mr. gium Government dug up these sites, the sites in the United States? Speaker, Mitrokhin spoke of the KGB and exactly where the Mitrokhin files Now, after talking to Christopher during the Cold War era prelocating said they would be, they found the Andrew at length and after talking to military hardware and equipment military hardware that the Soviet the highest ranking KGB defector ever throughout Europe and throughout Union had placed there without those from the Soviet Union, Oleg North America. These caches of weap- countries having any idea of what the Gordievski, who I had flown over here ons included transmitter technology, Soviets had done. this past Wednesday to also testify be- included in some cases detonating de- Now, someone would consider that to fore my committee, we now have infor- vices, in some cases included classified be an act of provocation for a foreign mation that in the Mitrokhin files are information about that country and its government to specifically locate ma- references to a number of sites operations, and perhaps even included teriel that could be used for war on the throughout the U.S. where similar material that would be necessary for territory of another country during caches of weapons and technology were producing a weapon of mass destruc- time of peace. In fact, in the book, Mr. stored by the Soviet Union under- tion or perhaps even a weapon of mass Speaker, there are photographs of the ground in specifically marked loca- destruction itself. site in Switzerland where the digging tions. When Mitrokhin copied down the was done, where the cache of weapons In talking to Christopher Andrew notes in this area, he could not copy was located, and there are photographs personally and in the hearing, we ques- down, because of time limitations and of what the Swiss recovered from that tioned him at length about whether or his own interest, every detailed loca- site. not the specific sites were noted as tion of every site in both Europe and Mr. Speaker, I include for the they were noted in the case of the North America because there were ex- RECORD a press release dated Sep- Swiss and the Belgium sightings of the tensive amounts of sites all over the tember 15, 1999. KGB materials. Christopher Andrew world, but he did document a few. But [From the Agence France—Presse, Sept. 15, said that, to the best of his ability, he he also referenced locations through- 1999] went through the Mitrokhin files, the out North America, many of which notes, and he could not find specific lo- KGB CACHES DISCOVERED IN BELGIUM were in the United States where the cations in America of the kind that BRUSSELS, Sept. 15 (AFP)—Three secret de- KGB deliberately stored military ma- pots used by the Soviet intelligence service, were provided for Switzerland and Bel- teriel under the Earth in selected spots the KGB, have been discovered in Belgium, gium. that were booby-trapped. These booby- national papers reported Wednesday. Now, I also called in the FBI, Mr. trapped spots evidently are still in The caches were found in forests in the Speaker, last week before Christopher place today. centre of the country, and contained radio Andrew came in; and I talked to Louis Now, when Mitrokhin in the archives sets dating from the late 1960s, according to Freeh and asked him to send over some gave this information to Christopher Jos Colpin, spokesman for the Brussels pros- agents, which he did. On Wednesday of Andrew, who published this in his ecutor’s office. last week, I met with three FBI agents The location of the hiding-places was re- book, this reinforces, Mr. Speaker, vealed in documents passed over to Britain who focus on Russia; and I asked them what Stanislav Lunev told us 2 years in 1992 by the former KGB archivist Vasily if they were aware of the Mitrokhin ago, that the Soviet Union and the Mitrokhin. files, and they said they were. They KGB had taken great efforts to pre-po- Those documents form the basis of a new agreed it was a massive source of unbe- sition military hardware inside of our book—the Mitrokhin Archives, by British lievable data that allowed to us see the country’s borders buried at specific lo- academic Christopher Andrew, to be pub- kind of activities that the KGB had cations that could be accessed by So- lished shortly. been involved in. viet operatives if and when the time This press release is from Agence I asked the FBI if they knew whether came for conflict with the Soviet France-Presse, and the headline is or not their ability to have access to Union. ‘‘KGB Caches Discovered in Belgium.’’ the Mitrokhin files provided by the These sites were also located One month ago, Mr. Speaker. And this British intelligence service allowed the throughout Europe and the European is what it read from Brussels. Sep- FBI to see specific locations, and they countries. In fact, in the Mitrokhin ar- tember 15 is the date. ‘‘Three secret de- told me that it did not. They knew of chives it was noted that many, if not pots used by the Soviet intelligence the general locations. They knew that most, of these sites were booby-trapped service, the KGB, have been discovered there were locations supposedly in

VerDate 12-OCT-99 03:43 Oct 29, 1999 Jkt 079060 PO 00000 Frm 00070 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K28OC7.200 pfrm02 PsN: H28PT1 October 28, 1999 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11139 Minnesota, someplace near Brainerd, towns and villages or perhaps outside on average a billion dollars a year Minnesota; in Montana; in New York, of major cities, there are perhaps through direct programs. We have re- presumably by the harbor there; near a scores of locations that have been se- plenished the IMF with billions of dol- pipeline in Texas; near harbor installa- cretly listed in the KGB archives that lars to help Russia’s economy, even tions in California, as well as a number Mitrokhin did not copy down the exact though much of it was ripped off by the of general sites throughout America. locations of because he could not copy corruption in Russia, largely centered Neither the FBI nor Christopher An- down every location of every site. That around Boris Yeltsin. And we have also drew were able to give me specific loca- was not his main purpose. He wanted to given money to the World Bank which tions where we could direct our mili- show examples. The examples he has been used in Russia. We have lever- tary or the FBI to go in and conduct an picked were in Europe. But there is no age. I think it behooves Russia without expedition to actually dig up the equip- doubt in the minds of the London chief leverage in this age of new cooperation ment much in the way that the Swiss of the KGB and Christopher Andrew to give us the specific information and the Belgians did. who worked with Mitrokhin that in the from the previous Communist-con- Our military, Mr. Speaker, in a press KGB files back in Moscow are the spe- trolled KGB about where these mate- conference that was held at the Pen- cific identifying locations of every site rials were stored. We do not have that tagon last month, was also asked a in the U.S., in every State where these information today, Mr. Speaker. question by a media reporter after the materials were deposited during the At this point in time, Mr. Speaker, I book came out, if our military had Cold War. would like to submit a letter for the been advised or if they knew that there That would lead one to the obvious RECORD signed by myself and the gen- were caches of weapons and materials question that we would think would tleman from Minnesota (Mr. OBER- that had been stored in the United have already been asked, and that is STAR). States without our knowledge as docu- what I asked of the FBI: Have we as a HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, mented by the Mitrokhin files. Nation since we found out this infor- Washington, DC, October 22, 1999. The military officer who was con- mation asked Russia to give us the Hon. MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, identity of the sites? Mr. Speaker, I Secretary of State, ducting the press conference said the Washington, DC. military was aware of the book, aware can tell you in my conversation with DEAR SECRETARY ALBRIGHT: This week, the of the Mitrokhin archives, but were not the three FBI agents that I met with, House Military Research and Development aware of any specific sites identified. their answer was that our government Subcommittee will hear testimony from au- has not yet asked the Russian govern- thor Christopher Andrew (‘‘The Sword and b 2015 ment to give us the exact locations of the Shield: The and the Mr. Speaker, at the hearing that oc- these sites. To further confirm that, Secret History of the KGB’’ and ‘‘KGB: The curred this past Wednesday, where I when the Pentagon press conference Inside Story’’) on KGB operations during the had Christopher Andrew himself and Soviet era and contemporary Russian threat was held last month on the same issue perceptions. where I had Oleg Gordievski himself, when it came up at a press conference, In his most recent book, Andrew docu- the highest ranking KGB defector from the Pentagon officer that was respond- ments the extent to which Soviet leaders Russia ever who in fact was the KGB ing was asked the same question, have were convinced of an imminent nuclear London chief who ran that office there, we asked the Russians for the specific was—as late as the 1980s. He also describes in and who worked in the KGB for dec- sites of the U.S. locations. The answer great detail the lengths to which they were willing to go to prevail in the event of such ades, both of them unequivocally, em- was the same answer that I got from phatically said there is no doubt, no a conflict. Among the more chilling revela- this FBI last week: ‘‘No, we have not tions is the documented pre-deployment of doubt whatsoever in their minds that asked that question.’’ arms and high explosives in Europe and the the Soviets stored military equipment Mr. Speaker, on the record this past United States. These plans were documented and hardware throughout the United Wednesday, Christopher Andrew told by KGB archivist and defector Vasili States at installations that their me on the record that our government Mitrokhin—who shared the most extensive agents dug up, placed this equipment has known about the sites in the U.S. collection of classified KGB notes ever with underground, that this equipment was for a minimum of 3 years, that he is the British Intelligence Service, the United States and author Christopher Andrew. probably booby-trapped and it included aware of, where FBI and U.S. intel- While the disclosure of the KGB’s weapons not just telemetry equipment, not just ligence had access to the Mitrokhin pre-deployment plan has led to the unearth- radio equipment but probably included files. His best guess is that the British ing of weapons caches in Switzerland and material that could be used for weap- intelligence probably gave these ar- Belgium, we understand that the United ons, detonation equipment or perhaps chives to the FBI when they got them States still has not located Russian weapons even material involving weapons of back in 1992 and in 1993. And if that is sites here. According to officials at the Fed- mass destruction. the case, it means our government has eral Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the So now, Mr. Speaker, we have three United States only has information on the known that this information existed general vicinity of pre-deployed Russian people. We have Stanislav Lunev who 2 for 6 or 7 years. weapons caches—such as the one reported to years ago said his job as an agent in Mr. Speaker, what this tells us is for be located near Brainerd, Minnesota. Washington was to locate sites, in fact the past 6 or 7 years, no one from this The Mitrokhin files were made available to he said they were out in the Shen- administration has felt it important the West in 1992, and European weapons sites andoah Valley and in suburban Wash- enough to ask the Russian government were identified and removed last year. We ington that he specifically went to to to give us the sites where these mate- are concerned that the United States still lacks the critical information necessary to point out to his superiors back in Mos- rials were stored by the Soviet Union remove these known dangers to its citizens. cow, locations where the Soviets could during the Cold War which are still in More troubling, these recent findings appear drop materials, military materials, place and which are probably in fact to confirm the testimony of former Russian materials that could be accessed by So- booby-trapped as the sites in Switzer- military intelligence officer Stanislav viet agents. This past Wednesday, we land and Belgium were booby-trapped. Lenev, who last year told the House Military have two other individuals, Gordievski, Now, Mr. Speaker, to me that is an Research and Development Subcommittee of the KGB defector, and Christopher An- outrage. It is an outrage and a derelic- GRU operations involving the pre-deploy- tion of duties on the part of this ad- ment of atomic demolition units (often re- drew who has worked for 6 years with ferred to as ‘‘nuclear suitcases’’) in the Mitrokhin on the archives, who have ministration. If we know as I now United States. both unequivocally stated that there is know that we know that the Mitrokhin We are writing to inquire whether the no doubt in their minds that there is archive records show that there are United States government has ever asked equipment today throughout the U.S. specific locations in America that we the Russian government to provide detailed stored in sites that only the KGB do not have the exact identity of, then site information on pre-deployed weapons. If knows the exact locations of. it behooves this administration to not, why not? Do we plan to request that in- formation of the Russian government now? If Mr. Speaker, I am concerned, because make this a formal request of the Rus- the United States has requested that infor- this means that throughout this coun- sian government. What amazes me, Mr. mation of the Russians, please inform us try, perhaps in forested areas as we saw Speaker, is over the past 6 and 7 years, when those inquiries were made, and what occur in Belgium, perhaps in remote we have given the Russian government information was provided.

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As we struggle to forge a new relationship with General Alexander Lebed 21⁄2 years the Russian government criticized with Russia, the existence of these weapons ago in May in his office in Moscow Yablakov and said he was a fool and sites only serves to aggravate remaining ten- when he outlined to me that one of his did not know what he was talking sions between our countries. We believe it is responsibilities when he worked for absolutely essential that the United States about. aggressively pursue the Russian government Yeltsin as security adviser was to lo- Wanting to get to the bottom of the to identify all pre-deployed weapons sites in cate 132 suitcase-sized nuclear weapons story, I traveled to Moscow in Decem- the United States, and that we eliminate that the Soviet Union had built, and ber of that year and I had a meeting such remnants of the Cold War. We ask your using all the influence of his office, he with the defense minister of all of Rus- cooperation to ensure that happens, and look was only able to locate 48 of those de- sia, Defense Minister Sergeyev. He forward to hearing from you on the status of vices. Each of these small atomic dem- knows that I have been working on that effort. olition munitions, carrying a capacity some proactive, positive efforts to help Sincerely, of one to 10 kilotons. That is about the the Russian military, help them de- JAMES OBERSTAR, Member of Congress. size of the bombing of Hiroshima, 10 velop housing for their troops, helping , kilotons, so it would produce a mas- them develop solutions for a terrible Member of Congress. sive, massive explosion. After Lebed problem they have with their nuclear Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from told us the story, and there were five waste. After discussing the positive Minnesota is a colleague of ours, a very Members of Congress with me from things that we are doing with the Rus- capable Member, a member of the both parties, I came back to Wash- sian military, I asked Defense Minister other party who lives and represents ington and I asked the CIA if we had Sergeyev point-blank across the table, the district including Brainerd, Min- any information to know whether or Defense Minister, will you please tell nesota. I went to the gentleman from not Lebed would in fact know this in- me, what is the truth about these Minnesota when I had interviewed formation that he had told us about small atomic demolition devices that Christopher Andrew and when I told trying to identify these small nuclear Lebed has said existed that he could him I had Christopher Andrew and Oleg devices and whether or not we knew if not locate and that Yablakov has Gordievski coming to Washington to they were safe. The CIA told me we did verified were produced. The defense testify in open hearing. The gentleman not have any way of knowing whether minister for Russia said to me in that from Minnesota came over to that or not Lebed was being factual with us. meeting, yes, Russia produced such de- hearing because obviously he is con- A TV producer for ‘‘60 Minutes’’ got vices during the Cold War. And he fur- cerned for the safety of his constitu- ahold of our trip report when it was ther went on to say, and so did you in ents. He expressed the same degree of filed 2 months after we had been in the States. He said, we are aware that frustration that the administration Moscow and met with Lebed. The pro- you destroyed your small atomic demo- had not yet asked the question as I did. ducer asked me if I was willing to do an lition munitions years ago because we So he and I penned this letter which is interview on camera, which I agreed to. had witnessed such destruction. He now a part of the CONGRESSIONAL They traveled to Moscow and inter- went on to say, ‘‘Congressman WELDON, RECORD for all Americans to see which viewed General Lebed, who by the way I assure you that by the year 2000, we he and I signed jointly on October 22 is now the governor of Krasnoyarsk, will have dismantled all of our small and sent to Secretary of State Mad- one of the largest republics in Russia. atomic demolition munitions.’’ That eleine Albright. In the letter, we out- Those interviews aired in the lead was 2 years ago come this December, line that the Mitrokhin files which our story on national TV 2 months ago last Mr. Speaker. Whether or not they have intelligence and the British intel- September, and in that story Lebed re- all been destroyed, we have no idea. ligence have said are the most signifi- affirmed what he told me and our dele- Whether or not Lebed was accurate in cant information we have ever gotten gation, that there were in fact loose saying that some of them could in fact from the former Soviet intelligence nuclear suitcases, small atomic demo- be up for sale to rogue nations or ter- service and the fact that we have had lition munitions that he could not lo- rorists, we do not know. Whether or access to these intelligence files for at cate when he was Boris Yeltsin’s top not Lunev was correct in saying his job least 3 and probably as much as 7 security adviser. The Russian govern- as a Tass correspondent was to locate years, and yet we have been told by ment ridiculed Lebed when that came sites to put materials, we have to as- both the military and by the FBI that out publicly and they called him a trai- sume. But we now have two additional we have not asked the Russian govern- tor and said they had never produced witnesses. We now have the highest ment to provide detailed information such devices. ranking KGB defector in the history of on these predeployed weapons and mili- The worst part is, Mr. Speaker, when the KGB, Oleg Gordievski, and we now tary technology. And we asked the Sec- a press briefer over at the Pentagon have Christopher Andrew who has had retary of State in the letter, if our in- following the criticism by the Russian access to the Mitrokhin files of the formation is wrong, if the FBI is mis- government of Lebed, when that press KGB’s own archives telling us, there is taken, if the military is mistaken, briefer was asked to comment on the no doubt, 100 percent certainty that then, Madam Secretary, tell us that we revelation by Lebed about the small the Soviet Union located military have asked the Russians, tell us when nuclear suitcases, our government offi- hardware and equipment inside the ter- we asked the Russians and tell us what cial at the Pentagon said, we have no ritory of our country at a number of lo- the response was so that we can reas- reason to doubt the Russian govern- cations which may have included, may, sure our constituents that we have lo- ment, thereby agreeing with the Rus- a nuclear device. cated and dug up every site where the sian government that they never pro- Now, we have no evidence to verify Soviets prelocated this military hard- duced these devices. that such a device was located, but in ware and equipment. And if we have I then brought over a Russian friend the written and stated public testi- not requested that information from of mine, Dr. Alexi Yablakov, who is one mony of both of these individuals on the Russians, which I am assuming we of the leading academic scientists in Wednesday, they both said there was a have not, then the question is, why Russia, and in October of that year I possibility that such devices could have we not and when are we going to had him testify before my committee. have been stored in an underground fa- question the Russians to get their in- In a public hearing in Washington, he cility or an underground pit that would telligence service, now known as the stated, not only was he aware of these have been dug up by Soviet operators SBR, no longer the KGB, to give us the devices but he had scientist friends during the Cold War. exact locations of the storage of these who worked on these devices, some of b materials. which were being produced for the 2030 Mr. Speaker, I am not here to alarm KGB. That is in the public record. So Now, Mr. Speaker, again I am not the American people. I do not think we had another individual from Russia, trying to arouse a sense of uneasiness. that the Russians would be foolish Alexi Yablakov, confirming what I am just saying that we just do not enough, even the KGB, to store port- Lebed said about the production of know, we just do not know what types able weapons of mass destruction in small nuclear weapons that are port- of devices were stored in our country America underground, although I was able and can be carried around. Again, underground at specific locations by

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Russian agents, Soviet agents, KGB America will have a better insight into Mr. FILNER, for 5 minutes, today. agents. But we do know the storage what really happened in this city dur- Mr. UNDERWOOD, for 5 minutes, today. was completed, we do know that there ing the Cold War period when the So- Ms. KAPTUR, for 5 minutes, today. are sites all over this country where viet KGB was relying on key Ameri- Mr. ENGEL, for 5 minutes, today. these materials are today still under cans to help them weaken our country Ms. BROWN of Florida, for 5 minutes, ground probably in locations that are and perhaps prepare for the ultimate, today. booby trapped if people were to ap- which would have been a direct mili- Ms. LEE, for 5 minutes, today. proach them not knowing what they tary confrontation with our Nation. Mr. MINGE, for 5 minutes, today. were encountering, and to the best of Mr. Speaker, I bring this information (The following Members (at the re- my knowledge at this moment our gov- to the attention of our colleagues in quest of Mr. SESSIONS) to revise and ex- ernment has not asked the question of the spirit of wanting to work in a posi- tend their remarks and include extra- the Russian government about where tive relationship with Russia, one that neous material:) these sites are. I consistently say must be based on Mr. GOSS, for 5 minutes, today. Now one would ask the logical ques- strength, consistency and candor. In Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin, for 5 minutes, tion: Why would our government not my opinion this administration has on November 3. want to ask the Russian government? none of those three attributes, which is Mr. DIAZ-BALART, for 5 minutes, After all, they have said publicly that why we do not today have the informa- today and on November 1, 2, 3, and 4. the files are the best information we tion relative to this because I am con- Mr. FOLEY, for 5 minutes, today. have ever gotten. vinced this administration does not Mr. HORN, for 5 minutes, today. Our intelligence service has said pub- want to raise this information because Mr. METCALF, for 5 minutes, today. licly that this is the best hard informa- they think it would further embarrass Mr. KASICH, for 5 minutes, today. tion we have ever gotten from the Boris Yeltsin, and that has been the (The following Member (at her own KGB. We have independently confirmed basis of our relationship for 8 years. request), to revise and extend her re- by Oleg Gordievsky, the highest-rank- President Clinton, Boris Yeltsin, AL marks and include extraneous mate- ing KGB defector ever who was the GORE, Victor Chernomyrdrin until he rial:) London chief of the KGB desk for the was removed from office, anything that Mrs. MORELLA, for 5 minutes, today. Soviet Union. surfaced that would embarrass either f So we have confirmation. There is no of those two Russian leaders we pre- reason to doubt that what Mitrokhin tend it did not happen, whether it was SENATE ENROLLED BILLS SIGNED found in the archives is true and that the theft of IMF, whether it was the The SPEAKER announced his signa- all over America today, perhaps in abuse of one of our Navy officers like ture to enrolled bills of the Senate of mountainous areas, perhaps in national Lieutenant Jack Daly, whether it was the following titles: parks, perhaps in remote and isolated arms control violations, which I have S. 437. An act to designate the United areas that only the Soviet KGB knows, said at numerous times on the floor of States courthouse under construction at 333 are stored Russian military equipment, this House, or whether it was insta- Las Vegas Boulevard South in Las Vegas, technology and hardware, and the door bility in Russia, that we did not want Nevada, as the ‘‘Lloyd D. George United is left open that perhaps there are to call the attention of the people of States Courthouse.’’ weapons stored at some of these sites, this country for fear that it would em- S. 1652. An act to designate the Old Execu- weapons that could kill or harm sig- barrass Yeltsin in his homeland be- tive Office Building located at 17th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, in Wash- nificant numbers of American people. cause that is the mainstay of our rela- Mr. Speaker, I am outraged that we ington, District of Columbia, as the ‘‘Dwight tionship, and I am convinced that that D. Eisenhower Executive Office Building.’’ have not asked the question. I bring perhaps is the reason why we have f this special order tonight before our failed to ask the question of the Rus- colleagues and the American people be- sians about these devices, because this ADJOURNMENT cause I want answers. I want to know administration perhaps fears that when what this administration is going to do Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. Mr. we start to dig up all over America lo- Speaker, I move that the House do now to hold Russia accountable, to obtain cations of equipment that we know the information from the SVR–KGB ar- adjourn. have been there for 3 or perhaps 7 The motion was agreed to; accord- chives about the specific sites that years, there are going to be a lot of have been identified that we know are ingly (at 8 o’clock and 36 minutes people in this country who are going to p.m.), under its previous order, the in the KGB archives that we need to start to ask some very difficult ques- see and be able to respond to. House adjourned until Monday, Novem- tions of their elected leaders. ber 1, 1999, at 12:30 p.m., for morning Mr. Speaker, I thank the staff for f sticking around for this special order, I hour debates. urge our colleagues to contact and LEAVE OF ABSENCE f interact with their constituents, and I By unanimous consent, leave of ab- EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONS, urge Americans all over this country sence was granted to: ETC. to interact with Members of Congress Mr. MASCARA (at the request of Mr. to demand of both a Member of Con- GEPHARDT) for today on account of Under clause 8 of rule XII, executive gress and the White House that we get medical reasons. communications were taken from the answers about the Mitrokhin files, f Speaker’s table and referred as follows: about this particular information rel- 4999. A letter from the Administrator, Mar- ative to weapon storage and military SPECIAL ORDERS GRANTED keting and Regulatory Programs, Depart- material storage and to also begin to By unanimous consent, permission to ment of Agriculture, transmitting the De- ask questions about much of the other address the House, following the legis- partment’s final rule—Tomatoes Grown in Florida; Decreased Assessment Rate [Docket material that is contained in the lative program and any special orders No. FV99–966–1 IFR] received October 27, 1999, Mitrokhin archives. heretofore entered, was granted to: pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Com- This is only the first edition. Chris- (The following Members (at the re- mittee on Agriculture. topher Andrew expects a second edition quest of Mr. PALLONE) to revise and ex- 5000. A letter from the Administrator, De- to be out sometime in the Year 2000 tend their remarks and include extra- partment of Agriculture, transmitting the which will go into more detail. We can- neous material:) Department’s final rule—Programs to Help not wait for the second edition because Mr. PALLONE, for 5 minutes, today. Develop Foreign Markets for Agriculture we are then going to be able to see Mr. BROWN of Ohio, for 5 minutes, Commodities (Foreign Market Development some people in America who during the today. Cooperator Program) (RIN: 0551–AA26) re- ceived October 25, 1999, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. Cold War the KGB thought were really Mr. STRICKLAND, for 5 minutes, 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Agri- acting on their behalf as opposed to today. culture. America’s behalf. They are going to be Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, for 5 min- 5001. A letter from the Legislative and Reg- named in the next edition, and perhaps utes, today. ulatory Activities Division, Federal Deposit

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