LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

Eighth Series, Vol. XXVIII; No. 49 Monday, May 11, 1987 Vaisakha 21. J 909 (Saka}

Eighth Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)

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LO.K SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI Prlr� · R.6, 6.00 CONTENTS

[Eighth Lok Sabha, Eighth Series, Vol. XXVIII, Eighth Session, 198711909 (Saka)] No. 49, Monday, May 11, 1987/Vaisakha 21, 1909 (Saka)

COLUMNS

Papers laid on the Table 1~13J 194-195

Motor Vehicles Bill-Introduced 13-14

Matters Under Rule 377 14-22

(i) Need to open an office of Commissioner of Income-Tax at Thane or bring Thane area under the JUrisdiction of Income-Tax Commlsslofler, Bombay

Shrr S.G Gholap 14

(Ii) Need to set up a Unanl Research Institute at Bhopal

Shrr K N. Pradhan 15

(ill) Need to give financial assIstance to U P Government for formation of Ferozabad as a separate distriCt.

Shri Ganga Ram 16

(IV) Need to set up Thermal Power Project at Rajakkampangalam m Kanyakumarr distriCt, Tamil Nadu.

Shn N. Dennis 16

(~) Need to give adequate frnanclal assistance to the Government of Uttar Pradesh to provide relief to the farmers whose crops have been destroyed by heavy rams, hall storms etc

Shn Raj Kumar Ral 17

• The Sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (I) (II)

COLUMNS

(VI) Need to develop Araku Valley and other places of tounst attraction In Vlzag dlstnct of Andhra Pradesh

Shn Gopal Knshna Thota 18

(VII) Need to formulate a total water management plan for flood control and drainage of I\Aahananda basin In Bihar

Shn Syed Shahabuddln 19

(VIII) Need to take steps to re-open Co-operatlve Sugar Factory at Gaunbldanur In Karnataka

Shn V Knshna Rao 20

(IX) Need to set up a Bench of Orissa High Court at Sambalpur In Onssa

Shn Snballav Panlgrahl 20

(X) Need to set up new propellant Factory In Warangal City of Andhra Pradesh to remove backwardness of thiS area

Shn C Janga Reddy 21

(XI) Need to set up the proposed FrUit Research and Development Institute In hilly region of Uttar Pradesh like Aenlkhet, Doondgln, Jalana or Champawat

Shn Hansh Rawat 22

SuspenSion of ProvIso to Rule 66 22-23

Goa, Daman and D,u Reorganisation Bill and Constitution (Fifty Seventh Amendment) 8111- 23-115

Motion to conslder-

Shn C Madhav Reddl 24

Shn Shantaram Na,k 27

Dr Sduh,r Roy 30

Shn Eduardo Falelro 31 (III)

COLUMNS

Prof. Madhu Dandavate 35

Shri Sharad Olghe 38

Shri P. Kolandalvelu 39

Shrt Manoran)an Bhakta 40

Shri Vijay Kumar Yadav 41

Shn C.K. Jaffar Shanef 42

Shn PIYus Tlraky 43

Shri Haroobhai Mehta 44

Shri C. Janga Reddy 45

Shn U.H. Patel 48

Shn N.V.N. Somu 49

Shn Anoopchand Shah 50

Shn Balwant Singh Ramoowalla 51

Shri Asutosh Law ... 52

Shrimati O.K. Bhandari 53

Shnmati Usha Choudhari 54

Shn P. Shanmugam 55

S. Buta Singh 57

Shri Rajiv Gandhi 62

Goa, Daman and Diu Reorganisation Bill 62

Clauses 2 to 72 and 1 62

Motion to pass, as amended- 65

S. Buta Singh 65

Prof. N.G. Ranga 65 (IV)

COLUMNS

Constitution (Fifty-Seventh Amendment) Bill

Clauses 2 and 1

Motion to pass, as amended-

S. Buta Singh 90

Statement of Arunachal Pradesh (Amendment) BiII- 115--124

!\>totion to consider-

S. Buta Singh 115

Shri G.G. Swell 117

Shri P.K_ Thungon 121

Clauses 2 and 1

Motion to pass-

S. Buta Singh 124

Khadi and Village Industries Commission (Amendment) Bill 124-176

!\>totion to consider, as passed by Rajya Sabha-

Shri C. Janga Reddy 125

Shri N. Dennis 129

Shri K.R. Natarajan 133

Shri Chintamani Jena 135

Shri Virdhi Chander Jain 138

Shri Manvendra Singh 141

Shri Salahuddin 144

Shri K.S_ Rao 145

Dr. Phulrenu Guha 150

Shri Keyur Bhushan 151

Shrimati Jayantl Patnaik 153 COLUMNS

Shri M. Arunachalam 156

Clauses 2 to 17 and 1 170

Motion to pass-

Shri M. Arunachalam 176

Discussion fa: Situation arising ouf of the escalation of violence in Sri Lanka 181-194. 195-202

Shri Brajamohan Mohanty 181

Shri N. V.N. Somu 191

Shri Syed Shahabuddin 195

LOK SABHA DEBATES

1 2 LOK SABHA Mr Speaker. Sir. 16 persons were killed In Punjab yesterday The police In the State IS Monday, May 11, 1987lValsakha 21,1909 being pressunsed so much that It IS not In a (Saka) posItion to work Impartially

The Lok Sabha met at EIAven of the (InterruptIons) Clock MR SPEAKER When a gentleman IS speaking. why do you speak In the [MR SPEAKER In the Chair] middle? (InterruptIons) [English] (InterruptIons)

SHRI SOM NATH CHATTERJEE (Bol- MR SPEAKER I have now heard you pur) Please allow us one by one (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR SPEAKER Do not do thiS What Will MR SPEAKER One minute Let us hear be the use of dOing so? MamataJI first (InterruptIOns) -- PROF MADHU DANDAVATE [EnglIsh] (RaJapur) Please allow her first so that we would have peace In the House (Interru- MR SPEAKER Nothing goes on ptIons) record

KUMARI MAMA T A BANERJEE (Jadav- (InterruptIOns) _. pur) According to the newspapers today, [TranslatIon] sixteen persons have been killed In Punjab Why IS the State Government not dOing MR SPEAKER What are you dOing? anything? I request Shn Buta Singh. our What IS the use of It? Home MInister. to do something to save Punjab (InterruptIOns) (Interruptions) .*

MR SPEAKER I have gIven the floor to MR SPEAKER How you are awaken Shn Shyamlal Yadav tl"\tjay?

[ Translation) (InterruptIons)

SHRJ SHYAM LAl Y ADAV (Varanasl) MR SPEAKER There IS a limit to every-

•• Not recorded 3 MAY 11, 1987 4 thing. I have heard the same thing from the in the pocket, but in the reply. two Members and you have also repeated it. If some other person says the same (Interruptions) thing, "it does not become more meaningful. Why do you not realise this? For God's MR. SPEAKER: Neither you allow us to sake, please realise it. If it serves your pru- hear nor you say anything. Now tell me; pose, then do it positIvely. what can I do? 50 persons speak at a time; it is not possible to hear in such a situation, (Interruptions) Rai Saheb. One person wanted to speak, I allowed him to speak. He has expressed MR. SPEAKER: How to make the youth his views. Mamataji has also expressed her congress understand? views and you also have repeated it. Now what more can I do? (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: You do not -know even as to what I am saying? I have said that two MR. SPEAKER: You may please resume of your Members have already said the same your seat. I have got your views conveyed. thing. If 20 persons say the same thing, it does not become more meaningful. (Interruptions)

(Interruptions) SHRI SHAMINDER SINGH (Faridkot): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Punjab problem will MR. SPEAKER: I have heard it. The not be solved by writing a letter or making Hoome Minister is also sitting here. He has a telephone call by the Minister of Home also heard it. Now what do you want? Affairs. Why some immediate action is riot being taken? (Interruptions) ** Our leaders like Shri Prakash Singh [English] Badal and Shri Tohra have been lodged in jail like ordinary prisoners. Why are they MR. SPEAKER. Nothing goes on record. not being kept at some good place like a rest house as political prisoners. l Translation] (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I have heard two Members. If anyone else wants to say something, he may do so. THe Home Minis- [English) ter is sitting here. He has also heard you. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU (Gobichetty- (Interruptions) palayam): Sir, we strongly condemn the press statement... (Interruptions) We MR. SPEAKER: Then what can I do? express our strong feelings against the You may please tell. press statement of Mr. Dlssanayake, Land Development Minister of Sri Lanka (Interruptions) stating .....

MR. SPEAKER: I have nothing in my MR. SPEAKER: We are discussing it pocket. today.

SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI (Ghosi): It is not SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Sir, The

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Government of Tamil Nadu have created a Information about It fund (Interruptions) [Engltsh] MR SPEAKER KolandalveluJI, It IS com- Ing up for discussion today But you can ask the Home Minister He can respond SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU We have to pass a resolution condemmng the attitude SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (801- and character of that Mlmster (pur) Sir, Home MInister IS here

MR SPEAKER We are discussing the (InterruptIOns) same subject today PROF MADHU DANDAVATE SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU Sir, he IS (RaJapur) Sir you were kind enough to Insulting not only Tamil Nadu, but the admit my MotIon regarding Article 78 of whole of India the Constitution The Parliamentary Affairs Mlntster says that we Will try our SHRI NV N SOMU (Madras North) He best to accommodate It today Itself IS adding Insult to Injury MR SPREAKER That you can MR SPEAKER I am allowing that diS- deCide cussion today Itself Don't worry I (InterruptIons)

SHRI N V N SOMU Let the MInister pre- PROF MADHU DANDAVATE You use vail upon him He IS adding Insult to Injury your good offices Our good offiCes are completely destroyed (Interruptions) [Translation] MR SPEAKER I can only ask you

MR SPEAKER We Will have diSCUSSion ( Interruptions) on It Now please Sit down MR SPEAKER The first thing IS that I (InterruptIOns) could admit It and I have admitted It

MR SPEAKER You please Sit down (Interruptions) have allowed him to speak MR SPEAKER Now It IS for the BUSI- (InterruptIOns) ness AdVISOry Committee or the House to decide [Engltsh) PROF MADHU DANDAVATE Where IS MR SPEAKER Let us have a diSCUS- the Busmess AdVISOry Committee? Sion, then we Will see ( Interruptions) SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond Har- bour) Of course we are concerned about PROF MADHU DANDAVATE SIr, the happenings In Punjab but we are more really It IS a betrayal of the promise gIVen to concerned about the Press Reports about us the Cabinet deciSion to Impose President s rule In PubJab [ Trans/atlon]

[Translation] MR SPEAKER Do not worry Whatever MR SPEAKER I have not received any I can do, I Will do 7 MAY 11,1987 8

[English) Jammu Division of the J&K State. Sir, there has been an acute damage of food and I will get it discussed. fodder and also because of the fall in temperature. the seed for seedlings has PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: lamsay- been destroyed and it is not germinating. ing that the Parliamentary Affairs Minister So, therefore, I request the Central is going back on the word given to us. Government......

[Translation] ( Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: We will do it. MR. SPEAKER: , will get it done.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir,what SHRI K.D. SULTANPURI (Simla): Mr. you will do? Speaker, Sir, I have also the same question. In Himachal Pradesh, all crops and MR. SPEAKER: All the works are not vegetables have been destroyed by the going to be completed today itself. The heavy rains. work will continue. MR. SPEAKER: You also give it to me. I [EnglishJ will get it discussed.

We will discuss it. SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN (Bah- raich) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, this session began SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: The with the Address of Hon. President of India whole country is discussing, but not in which the Government of Punjab was Parliament praised for its fight for secularism whereas today the same Government is being (InterruptIOns) charged of giving protection to the terrorists and separatist forces in Punjab. Sir, {Translation J someone should take the mora' responSi- bility for this. It is not only the failure of MR. SPEAKER: Why not Parliament? Punjab Government but others who were That is why I have admitted it for giving assistance to it are also responsible discussion. for thiS. I think the hon. Home Minister ( Interruptions) should take the moral responsibility of the killings of innocent people going on there. [English] THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. SHRI H.N. NANJE GOWDA (Hassan): BUTA SINGH): Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Sir, is it open to the Chief Minister of any House knowS very well the situation pre- State in this country to go abroad and vailing there and I am grateful to the lead- make statements denigrating .... ers of Opposition parties who have extended full cooperation to us in this (Interruptions) regard. The hon. Member talked of the moral responsibility. I would like to say that moral responsibility is very much there and MR. SPEAKER: I cannot discuss Chief in addition to it. we are and will remain Ministers here. fully committed to fulfill our Constitutional responsibility. ( Interruptions) Just now Shri Amal Datta and Shri Sha- SHRI G.L. DOGRA (Udhampur): There minder Singh also spoke. I would like to nave been heavy and incessant rainfall in say that... 9 VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) Papers Laid 10

[English] Sit down When It Will come to me, I Will look Into It Without It what can I do The situation In Punjab IS fast deteriorat- Ing, very fast I am In touch with the Chief [English] MInister and I have made a number of requests to him The thing IS getting a little SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY out of hand I have yet to hear a response When Will It come? from him, a poSitive response Therefore we are keeping a very close watch on the [ Trans/atlon ] Situation We Will not run away from the responsibility MR SPEAKER I do not know When It comes, It Will come before you Regarding what Amal Datta) I said If that IS Inevitable, the Government of India Will (Interruptions) discharge ItS duty towards the nation We Will not run away from our responsibility I M R SPEAKER Someone asked the want to assure the House that we will not barber as to how many hair were there on run away from the responsibility We Will hiS head The barber replied that Within five discharge our responsibility We Will pro- minutes he would give him all the hair, and tect the people of Punjab We Will save the then he could count them services In Punjab We Will not allow-them to be run down by any indiVidual

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE I have given a notice of breach of pnvllege PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE against Shn Arun Singh

MR SPEAKER I am looking Into It Annual Report of Indian Council of Agncultural Research 1985-86 I have already taken that step

I Will let you know 11.16 hrs.

(Interruptions) [English]

MR SPEAKER I Will let you know THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (DR G S DHILLON) I beg to lay on the (Interruptions) Table-

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE If you (1 ) allow me, I Will give you the details A copy of the Annual Report (Interruptions) (Hindi and English versions) of the Indian CounCil of Agricultural MR SPEAKER No, Sir Research, New Deihl, for the year 1985-86-Part H-Administration (Interruptions) and Finance

SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY (Katwa) AbOut Punjab (2) A statement (Hindi and English versions) shOWing reasons for [ Translation] delay In laYing the papers mentioned at (1) abOve (Placed In MR SPEAKER I am dOing that ptease hbrary See No L T 4433/87) 11 Papers Laid MAY 11. 1987 Papers Laid 12

Notifications under Central Sales Tax cation No. 522/86-Customs Act, 1956 and under Customs Act 1962 dated the 31st December, 1986so etc. & Consolidated Repor1 on the as to exempt steel sheets and Wortdng of Public Sector Banks tot 1985 blanks required for the manufacture of body panels of fuel- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE efficient motor car or fuel-efficient MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANAR- van of engine capacity not DHANA POOJARY): I beg to lay on the exceeding 1000 cubic centime- Table- tres for providing warrantly cov- erage or after-sale service in (1) A copy of the Central Sales Tax respect of such fuel-efficient (Registration and Turnover) motor cars or vans as in excess of Amendment Rules, 1987 (Hindi 70 per cent ad valorem and auxil- and English versions) published iary duty of customs as in excess jn Notification No. G.S.R. 39S(E) of 2~ per cent ad valorem [Placed in Gazette of India dated the 14th in librarv. See No. L T-4447/87] April, 1987 under sub-section (2) of section 13 of the Central Sales (iv) G.S.R. 452(E) published in Tax Act, 1956. [Placed in Jibrary. Gazette of India dated the 4th See No. LT. 4444/87] May, 1987 together with an explanatory memorandum mak- (2) A copy each of the following Noti- ing certain amendments to Notifi- fications (Hindi and English ver- cation No. 65/87-Customs dated sions) under Section 159 of the the 1st March, 1987 so as to pres- Customs Act, 1962:- cribe basic customs duty at the rate of 60 per cent ad valorem on (i) G.S.A. 434(E) published in complete watch cases for quartz Gazette of India dated the 29th analog wrist watches and watch April, 1987 together with an dials. [Placed in library. See No. explanatory memorandum mak- LT-4448/87] ing certain amendments Notifica- tion No. 245/86-Customs dated the 15th April, 1986 so as to (v) G.S.R. 456(E) and 457(E) pub- extend the validity of the said not- lished in Gazette of India dated ification without any time limit. the 5th May, 1987 together with [Placed in library. See No. LT- an explanatory memorandum 4445/87) regarding exemption to goods specified therein on importation (ii) G.S.A. 446(E) published in into India for use inside the gem Gazette of India dated the 1st and jewellery complex in Santa May, 1987 together with an Cruz Electronics Export Process- explanatory memorandum seeking Zone at Bombay for the pur- ing to delete redundant entry of pose of being used in connection Citric Acid from the Notification with the manufacture of export No. 136/86-Customs dated the goods from the whole of the basic 17th February. 1986. [Placed in additional and aUXIliary duties of library, See No. L T -4446187) customs leviable thereon. (Placed in library. See No. L T- (iii) G.S.A. 449(E) published in 4449/87] Gazette of India dated the 4th May, 1987 together with an (3) A copy each of the following Noti- explanatory memorandum mak- fications (Hindi and English ver- ing certain amendments to Notifi- Sions) issued under the Central 13 Motor Veh,cles 8,,, VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA)-,Matters Under Rule, 3n 14

Excise Rules, 1944 - SHRI RAJESH PILOT I Introduce the Bill (I) G S R 447(E) published In Gazette of India dated the 1st May, 1987 together with an explanatory memorandum MAT rERS UNDER RULE 3n regarding exemptIon to poly- prophylene staple fibre and tow [English] and tops from the duty of excise (i) as In ex.cess of amount calculated Need to open an OffICe of Com- at the rate of rupees seven per missioner of Income Tax at kilogram Thane or bnng Thane area under the junsdictaon ot Income-Tax (II) GSA 451 (E) published In Commissioner, Bombay Gazette of India dated the 4th 11.1Bhrs. May 1987 together with an ex.planatory memorandum SHRI S G GHOLAP (Thane) Though regarding exemption to the Thane district IS Just adjacent to Monoethylene Glycol from the Greater Bombay It IS attached to the office whole of the duty of excise levia- of Income Tax Commissioner at Pune and ble theron subJect to certain con- not to the office of Income-Tax Commis- ditions specified In the sioner at Bombay which IS within 35 Kms notification [Placed In library ThiS IS causing aVOidable inconvenience to See No L T 4450/87] the Income tax payers at Thane district

(4) A copy of the ConsolIdated Thane IS very closely linked wIth Report (HIndI and English ver- Bomaby city In several spheres of Its activI- sIons) on the working of Public ties Most of the Industries In Thane are Sector Banks for the year ended either controlled by or closely linked with the 31st December, 1985 [Placed the Industries and bUSiness In the Greater In library See No L T-4451/87] Bombay c ty Thane dlstnct houses a very large number of anCillary and subSidiary Industnes of Greater Bombay The Inter- 11.17 hrs. action between the trade commerce and Industry of Greater Bombay and of the var- MOTOR VEHICLES BILL * IOUS towns In Thane district IS so deep that Greater Bombay and Thane constitute THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE more or less a Single commerCial and MINISTRY OF SURFACE TRANSPORT Industnal zone (SHRI RAJESH PILOT) I beg to move for leave to Introduce a 8111 to consolidate and The entire Thane district IS very closely amend the law relating to motor veh,cles connected by rail and road With the Bom- bay city Tax payers In the vanous cities In MR SPEAKER The question '5 Thane dlstnct can reach Bombay by sub- urban electriC train or bus, In about an That leave be granted to Intro- hour They practically lose a day gOing up duce a 8,11 to consolidate and to Pune In fact, the tax payers of Bhayan- amend the law relating to motor dar, Dahanum BaSSin and Palghar etc In vehicles .. Thane district which are on the Western Railway have to come to Bombay first. and The motIon was adopted then proceed to Pune by Central Railway,

• Published In Gazette of India Extraordinary Part" Section 2, dated 11 5 1987 15 Matters Under Rule sn MAY 11, 1987 Matters Under Rule 377 16

[Shn S.G. Gholap] (iii) Need to give financial assistance to U.P. Government 'or 'onnation of Firozabad as a separate if they have to appear before the authorities at Pune district

I, therefore, request the Minister of SHRI GANGA RAM (Flrozabad) Mr. Finance to look Into the matter personally, Speaker, Sir, It has been recongnlsed In and open an Income-tax Commissioner's pnnclple that the smaller an administrative office at Thane, or bring Thane area under unit, the better Will be the administrative the Junsdlctlon of Bombay Income-Tax effiCiency From thiS POint of vtew It has Commissioner's office also been accepted that dlstnct Units should be smaller ones There are several districts In Uttar Pradesh which are qUite [Trans/atlon] ~ large and denSity of population IS also more than normal Therefore, It has (il) Need to set up a Unani Research become necessary In the public Interest Institute at Bhopal that these large districts should be reorga- nised Agra IS also a large dlstnct because of ItS large area aod denSity of population SHRI K N PRADHAN (Bhopal) Mr Therefore, It has become necessary to Speaker, Sir, the Unanl system of medicine carve out another district from the present IS prevalant In many countnes and It has district In thiS regard, the proposal to been In practice to cure vanous diseases make F,rozabad a dlstnct IS already under for centunes together In our country also, conSideration of the State Government thiS system IS most successful for cunng and as tar as I know, top pnorrty has been certain diseases It IS a very useful system given to It but due to paucity of funds the for a poor country like ours because It IS State Government has not made very cheap also announcement to thiS effect To prOVide more faCIlities to the people and to In the twentieth century, people are Increase the administrative effiCiency, It IS mOTe Inclined towards Allopathy system necessary to make Flrozabad a separate as a result of which the Unanl system has dlstnct at the earliest The F,rozabad City been greatly neglected Therefore, It ·,S has ItS own Importance In the map of our necessary to pay more attention towards country and It IS famous for glass-bangle thiS system also Industry In the country From thiS Industry, the administration collects a huge amount of revenue as Income tax, sales tax and As a first step to encourage thiS system, excise duty a good research institute should be estal:r "shed and a college should also be att- Therefore, I request the Central Govern- ached to It ment to prOVide finanCial assistance to Uttar Pradesh Government for formatIOn of Flrozabad as a separate d,stnct In Bhopal and other parts In that area the Unan! system IS preferred much Even [Eng/Ish] today there are able and wise Unan! 'haklms In that area who have no match In (iv) Need to set up Thermal Power diagnOSing and cUring the diseases With a Project at Rajakkamangalam in view to take benefit of the Wisdom of these Kanyakumari district, Tamil 'haklms we should establish the research Nadu Institute at Bhopal i hope that Celltral Government will pay speCial attention SHRI N DENNIS (NagercoII) Installa- towards It tion of a thermal electriCity project at 17 Matters Under Rule 377 VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) Matters Under Rule 377 18

RaJakkamangalam In Kanyakuman Dls- the House to the follOWing Important sub- tnct IS the long standing need and neces- Ject under Rule 377 sity of the place Investigations and examinations on the feasibility of the The recent gales, rainS and hailstorms In scheme have been conducted by an on the the whole of northern India resulted In spot study by the Chief Engineer, Tamil uprooting the trees blockade of roads etc Nadu Electnclty Board, the Port Officer, All traffiC came to a standstill Foodgralns Tamil Nadu and other concerned authOri- In the barns and chaff stored by the ties and a SUitable site also has been Identi- farmers have been soaked and destroyed fied which IS mainly government land on a large scale on account of the sudden previously used for salt manufacture and rams Many people were killed m vanous now defunct and declared unfit and kept aCCidents which occurred dunng these waste and thereby thiS land along With por- days The worst affected states were Pun- tions of adjOining areas would be ade- Jab, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh In the Cit- quate and suffiCient to meet the Ies of Kanpur and Lucknow In Uttar requirements of the project could be Pradesh, It ramed heaVily and In some pla- made available and that too on easy terms ces hailstorms were also there The Without huge compensatory costs Infras- farmers suffered huge losses m Azamgarh tructural faCIlities and other circumstances Balla and other districts In Eastern Uttar are also favourable for ItS installation Pradesh The attention of the State Nagercoll railway station and Colachel Government was drawn but no action has Port are 10 KM and 6 KM respectively from been taken so far The condition of the thiS place The proposed rail link to Cola- farmers IS very miserable and It IS like chel harbour touches thiS place No new snatching away the uneaten food Ivmq publiC sector project has been located Ir before a person or like the death of some- Tamil Nadu for the past 15 years Kanyaku- one s young son I request that the Centre marl District has been declared as an should direct the State Governments to do Industrially backward District by the Cen- the needful and also make speCial financial tral Government But not even a Single allocations to enable them to proVide relief Industry either In publiC sector or private to farmers In time sector IS established In thiS backward ISO- lated distant southernmost part of the {English] country where there IS acute problem of unemployment both educated and u'1edu- (vi) Need to develop Arakuvalley and cated Installation of thiS project would other places of tourist attraction satisfy the longstanding Wish anxiety and in Vazag district of Andhra aspirations of the people of thiS backwara Pradesh area So Government may be pleased to take speedy steps for the early Installation SHAt GOPAL KRISHNA THOTA of thiS project (Kakmada) In Vlzag District there are a number of tOUrist centres At present our [Trans/atlon] country needs a lot of foreign exchange Through these tOUrist centres we can earn (v) Need to give adequate financial a lot of foreign exchange These are all assistance to the Government of located 50 miles around the Vlzag city Uttar Pradesh to provide relief to Everyone IS aware of Araku Valley It the fanners whose crops have lttracts the foreigners as well as persons been destroyed by heavy rains, from film world But there IS no accommo- hailstonns etc. dation for them So many people are com- Ing forward to construct hotels etc If the Central Government gives forest land on SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI (Ghosl) Mr lease to these persons It would solve the Speaker, Sir, I want to draw the attention of problern 19 Matters Under Rule 377 MAY 11,1987 Matters Under Rule 377 20

[Shri Gopal Krishna Thota] the area. It is requested that the Ministry of Water Resources may take the initiative.to Araku has a name for its beauty. There formulate a total water management plan are also other places like Anantagiri, for flood control and drainage of the Maha- Paderu, Chintapalh. These are all well- nanda basin, extend necessary technical known to foreign tourists. If we develop assistance to the Government of Bihar in these places, definitely we will get a lot of this regard and sanction funds for its pro- foreign exchange. gressive implementation within a reasonable time frame. (vii) Need to formulate a total water management plan for flood con- [Translation] trol and drainage of Mahananda basin In Bihar (viII) Need to take steps to re-open Co- operathre Sup- Factory Md Gault- SHAI SYEO SHAHABUDDlN (Kishan- bldanur In Karnataka ganj): I would like to bring to the notice of the House today the following matter of "SHAI V. KRISHNA RAO (Chikballapur) : urgent public importance: The Cooperative Sugar Factory of Gauri- bidinur in Karnataka has been closed. North-east Bihar lying ~tween the Kosi The Karnataka Government is trying to sell and Teesta basins is subject to recurrent the factory. On account of this, thousands floods. This region is the basin of the river of workers and their family members are Mahananda and its tributaries Parmah, rendered jobless. Some of them have Dok Michi, Bakra, etc., which not only already migrated to the neighbouring swell enormously during the rainy season, States of Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh draining their waters from the Himalayas in search of jobs. Unless Immediate steps but also frequently change course and are taken, the workers and their family give rise to salination in·some places. The members will continue to starve. problem of flood control is aggravated by the problem of silting, salination and ero- I therefore urge upon the Government of sion. Nothing worthwhile has been done India to take up immediate relief measures so far to tame these rivers ,and no long term and arrange to get the cooperative sugar integrated plan has yet been formulated factory without any further delay. for the Mahananda basin. From year to [English] year, some palliative measures like dredg- 'ing silted channel or reinforcing a bank (Ix) Need to set up a Bench of Orissa subjected to erosion are undertaken on a High Court at Sambalpur In small scale to meet emergency situations. Orissa The assurance by the Ministry of Water Resources that an integrated long term SHAI SAIBALLAV PANIGRAHI (Oeo- plan for flood control and water manage- garh): The necessity of setting up a ment for the Mahananda basin shall be bench of the Orissa High Court at Sam- undertaken by the Ganga basin Commis- balpur, the centre of the Western part of sion with the assistance of the Govern- the State need not be over-emphasised. ment of Bi har has not yet been fulfilled. The ruling party in the State is also committed to this genuine demand of the Water management shall not only con- people of that area by includi~g the trol flooding but also help overcome water same in its election manifesto as back as scarcity for irrigation during the dry sea- in 1974. But it is regretted that on some son and solve the drainage and conse- plea or other its implementation is being quent erosion and desalination probtem of delayed causing a great deal of discont-

.. The speech was originally delivered in t

SHRI C. JANGA REDUY (Hanam- (xl) Need to set up the proposed Fruit konda): We can divide Andhra Pradesh Research and Development Insti- into three regions, namely, Telengana, tute in hilly region of Uttar Pra- Rayal Serna and Coastal Andhra. Tele- desh like Ranikhet, Doonagirt, ngana is a very backward area. The Jalana or Champawat farmers are very unhappy in this region because of the lack of irrigation facilities. A big irrigation project was taken up on the SHRI HARISH RA WA T (Almora): Mr. Godavari nver but it has not improved the Speaker. Sir, there is a proposal to set up situation as water has still not reached the an institute dunng the Seventh Five Year fields. Similarly, Government has not set Plan period for research and development up any large-scale industry at Warangal. of fruits grown under temperate climatic Warangal is a large city. Regarding educa- conditions. tion, medical facilities etc. It stands only next to Hyderabad in importance. Stili it Such frUits are grown mainly In the hill is economically backward. The old textile areas of Himachal Pradesh. Jammu and mill located here is running at a loss. Klshmlr and Uttar Pradesh. Horticulture Threats are being issued to close down the UniverSities and Research Centres are mill. The educated youths are taking to functioning In botn the places excepting violence on account of unemployment and Uttar Pradesh. are involved in violent activities taking place in Karimnagar, Warangal, Adilabad Therefore, the Ministry of Agriculture is and other districts. The people and the requested to set up the proposed institu- Government are both harassed due to It. In tion in one of the hill areas of Uttar Pradesh order to nip the violence, several crores are like Ranikhet, Doonagiri, Jalana or being spent but there are little chances of it Champawat. being reduced. Violence can be put to an end only by providing employment to these youths. The Police will not be able to SUSPENSION OF PROVISO TO RULE solve the problem of violence. 66 11.31 hrs. The Central Government has a proposal to set up a new Propellant Factory. The [English] Economic and Statistical Experts Commit- tee has also conducted a survey of the area THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS and has recommended that it should be (S.BUTA SINGH): I beg to move: established at Warangal. Earlier also recommendation was made to set up a "That this House do st.,fspend the coach factory in this area but later the pro- proviso to I :.lIe 66 of the Rules of 23 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 1',1987 & Constitution (57th 24 Reorg. Bill Amdt.JBiII [So Buta Singh} reorganisation of the Union territory of Goa, Daman and Diu and Procedure and Conduct oi tiusi- for matters connected therewith ness in lok Sabha in its applica- be taken into consideratioll." tion to the motions for taking into consideration and passing of the "That the Bill further to amend Goa, Daman and Diu Reorgani- the Constitution of India be taken sation Bill, 1987 and the Constitu- into consideration." tion (Fifty-Seventh Amendment) Bill, 1987 in as much as they are SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI (Adilabad): I dependent on each other." rise to welcome the decision of the Government to confer statehood to Goa. MR. SPEAKER: The question is:

"That this House do suspend the The Bill conferring statehood to Goa proviso to rule 66 of the Rules of was before us for the last three days. And I Procedure and Conduct of Busi- found that even in this Bill, in spite of the ness in lok Sabna in its applica- fact that there was a lot of time at the dispo- tion to the motions for taking into sal of the Government there were certain consideration and passing of the defects which crept in. We find that in the Goa, Daman and Diu Reorgani- case of Arunachal Pradesh Bill when it was sation Bill, 1987 and the Constitu- passed in the last s~ion, the opposition tion (Fifty-Seventh Amendment) remarked that the Bill was drafted in a Bill, 1987 in as much as they are hurry and there were lot of mistakes in the dependent on each other." Bill. And as a proof, today we have a Bill for amending the Arunachal Pradesh State- The motion was adopted. hood Bill. Here again I find some defects. But before I go into it I would like to remark 11.32 hrs. that we welcome that Daman and Diu GOA, DAMAN AND DIU REORGANI- should be constituted a separate district SATION BILL and there will be a representation to this area in the House of the People. In other AND words, the strength of the House of the CONSTITUTION (FIFTY-SEVENTH) People will be increased from 544 to 545. AMENDMENT BILL We are not sure whether it is the intention lEnglishJ of the Government that they want to increase the strength of the lok Sabha to THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. 545. We are not very clear about it. As fafas BUTA SINGH): I beg to move." the Rajya Sabha is concerned, Goa is going to have one seat in Rajya Sabha and "That the Bill to provide for the we welcome it. reorganisation of the Union territory of Goa, Daman and Diu and While speaking on this subject, I would for matters connected therewith, like to draw your attention to certain devel- be taken into consideration." opments which are taking place in the North-East region. There are boundary "That the Bill further to amend disputes between the States and the the Constitution of India be taken Union Territories, between the State of into consideration." Assam and the State of ArunaChal Pradesh.... ( Interru/?tions). MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved: "That the Bill to provide for the MR. SPEAKER: Arunachal Pradesh

• Moved with the recommendation of the PreSIdent. 25 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constltut10n (57th 26 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Amendment Bill will be coming later I a Council, and to define the think. nature of the duties to be per- formed by it and its organisa- SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI: I am not tion and procedure." speaking about Arunachal Pradesh Such a demand has already come from Amendment Bill. There is nothing to speak several States and I do not understand why about "that Bill. What I am pointing out IS the Centre is stili hesitating to set up such a that there is a need for havang an Inter State Council when there IS such a great need Council. When you are having so many today to see that these border disputes do States and small States like Goa and lot of not eXIst. I would also like to make some problems of boundaries, etc., there is a comments .... (Interruptions). problem for settlement of these disputes and there IS no machinery with the Govern- MR. SPEAKER: How you are connecting ment for the settlement of these disputes. thiS With the Goa Bill? These disputes are increasing day by day. In the last two weeks we have been seeang SHRI C. MADHAVREDDI:ThlsisaCon- that Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya and stltutlon Amendment Bill. We are amend- other States are disputing the boundaries Ing the Constitution to give Statehood to and are trying to settle these disputes. But Goa I am trYing to say that when we are they are not in a position to settle the dis- gOing to have these States, the disputes putes among themselves. This demand are bound to anse. At the same time, I has been made by several States that there would like thiS Government to take a deci- should be an Inter-State Council and the sion with regard to the constitution of an Constitution says very clearly that such a Inter-State CounCIl. Council can be formed if the President IS satisfied that there is such a need, and Regarding the declaration of Daman today such a need IS there. Article 263 and Diu as a separate Union Territory, I says: WOUld like to comment that these small islands, which are everywhere wherever "263. If at any time It appears to the Centrc!ly administered TerritOries are the President that the public there, should be merged with the States in anterests would be served by the which they are located today, Instead of establishment of a Council keeping them as Centrally administered charged WIth the duty of - Territories. Small villages here or there be. (a) inquiring into and advising upon which form Islands may not unsafe units. They cannot administer themselves disputes which may have arisen and it is very difficult for the Centre to take between States; care of the administration of these small (b) Investigating and discussing sub- islands. We have in our State a small village jects in which some or all of the called Yanam, which is a part of Pondi- States, or the Union and one or cherry which is in the extreme south. From more of the States, have a com- Pondicherry they are trying to administer mon interest; or Yanam. Once you declare Pondicherry as (c) making recommendations upon a State, what will happen to Yanam? That any such subject and, In particu- small village will remain Centrally adminis- lar, recommendations for the bet- tered. 'Nhy do you have this; What is the ter co-ordination of policy and purPose? Even if there is any opposition in action with respect to that those villages or in those territories, they subject, should try to satisfy them; they should try to see that they are immediatety merged it shall be lawful for the Presi- into the State wherever they are located. dent by order to establish such This Daman and Diu should have been 27 Goa, Daman & DIU MAY 11. 1987 & Constltut,on (57th 28 Reorg. a,1I Amdt.) B,II [Shn C Madhav Redc.h] some or other occasIon and he had sympa- thetIcally consIdered thIs matter and merged with the States concerned Why assured me tIme and agam that the wIshes has It not been done? Why are you holdmg of the people of Goa wIll be fulfilled on those small Islands? I oppose thiS

THE MfNISTER OF STATE IN THE I would also like to thank the Members of MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Parliament for not only haVing taken trou- CHINTAMANJ PANIGRAHI) \Nhy should ble to come here all the way after gOing we not keep them separate? back to theIr places but also for the love that they have expressed for the people of SHRI C MADHAV REDDI It IS very diffi- Goa For the last one month my colleagues cult to keep them separate and then In Parliament, from both SIdes, have been administer them from Deihl asking me as to when th,s Bill would come When we are talkmg of destablhsatlon I am not exaggerating It etc In the country these disputes among states and dIssatIsfactIon would certainly I would also like to thank our Parliamen- affect the stabIlisation of the country tary Affairs MiniStry, as they have taken pains to Include thIS BIll In thiS Session SIr. we had one Department called the ComIng to the Bill as such States Department With the reorganisation of the States we abolished that Depart- MR SPEAKER What about me? ment and merged It wIth the Home Department We do not have a separate SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK Sir, I Will State Department under the MinIstry of thank you In the end when you Will bear Home Earlier thiS Ministry was called MIn- With me for an extra minute IStry of Home and States and then the word "States' was dropped The Department of At th,s moment I recollect our great Pan- States was also abolished and merged With dlt Jawaharlal Nehru and hIS contnbutlons other department Now there IS need for which lead to the liberation of Goa on 19th haVing such a Department If you do not December, 1961 I recollect Pandlt Jawa- have an Inter-State Council. you should harlal Nehr.u and Shn Knshna Menon who have a separate department which should had taken Initiative to send forces to Goa deal With the States and concentrate whIch ultimately liberated us from the yoke mainly on the welfare of the States. co- of Portugese domain ordInatIon. settlement of dIsputes. etc That IS also not been done Sir WIth these The famous 'VIJaya Operation' was ear- words I support the BIll ned out In Goa In the internatIonal world, people In United Nations started CritICIS- SHRt SHANTARAM NAIK (PanaJI) Mr Ing Pandlt Jawaharlal Nehru They said Speaker. Sir. I welcome not only hundred that thiS champion of peace IS deViating tImes but thousand tImes the Goa. Daman from the path of peace ThIS was the allega- and DIU Reorganisation Bill, 1987 and the tIon made against hIm In United NatIons by consequentIal Constitutional Amendment big forces In spite of that, Pandlt Jawahar- Bill I am over-Joyed With the gesture of the lal Nehru and late Shn Knshna Menon had Government that has accepted the Wishes to take that step I recollect that In the Uni- of the people of Goa and granted It the ted Nations, late Shn Krishna Menon had Statehood SIr, I have no words of appreci- said "my country had at all times abjured ation for the Prime Minister, the way he use of force In the International affairS, has shown concern for the people of Goa India would not heSitate to use force If pro- and expressed hiS love Ever Since I have voked" Pandlt Nehru also said at the rele- become the Member of Parliament, I have vant tIme "but when and how we Will do It, been requestIng the Pnme MinIster on cannot be forecast now, but I had no doubt 29 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 30 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill that Goa would soon be free and our terri- included in the Special Type category just tory was liberated. like Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram, etc. There are 9 States for which budgetary gap Sir. as far as Daman Diu are concerned. is filled by the Central Government. under the present Bill, it has been declared that they would be a separate Union Terri- As far as service matter is concerned, I tory. In this connection, I would like to say would like to make one point. Sir, we would that both Daman and Diu are the two like to have our own officers in the new Assembly segments. The MLAs were State. There are lAS and aU-India service elected to the Goa Assembly from Daman cadre officers who are from other States and Diu and if two MLAs are now unseated and they should be given the option for beCause of Goa getting Statehood, it continuing their services in Goa. would be unfortunate. Perhaps there is no other aJterrlative except to do it. But. Sir, I Another aspect of the matter is that you would request the hon. Minister for Home have changed the name of the Bombay Affairs to assure to the people of Daman High Court into the name of High Court of and Diu that as soon as possible, a Pradesh Maharashtra and Goa was brought under Council will be established for Daman and its jurisdiction. It is fine. But I would like to Diu. This is the least that we can do press for a separate High Court for Goa because we have unseated two MLAs from itself. To that effect. I have moved an that area. Therefore, Sir, I would request amendment which I would like you to the Government to consider giving them a consider. Body known as Pradesh Council. I would request the Government to announce on Lastly. I would like to thank .all the this ooint. Members of Parliament for expressing their wish for Statehood for Goa and I am Secondly, Sir, as far as Goa is con- also thankful to the hon. Speaker for bear- cerned, I would just refer to what Madhavjl ing with me and giving me additional time has said. Perhaps he is not aware - he is to bring out the important points on this aware - but he has not realised when he subject before this august House. said that Daman and Diu should be merged with Goa. It is for the first time in DR. SUDHIR ROY (Burdwan): Mr. the history of this country that by an Act of Speaker, Sir. I wefcome this Bill because Parliament the wishes of Goa, Daman and the people of Goa waged bitter struggle Diu have been taken. We have no provision against the Portugese Imperialists and for referendum in our Constitution. We they suffered much and at that time the passed the Act known as Opinion Poll and Portugese Imperialists were supported the wishes of the people of Goa, Daman by the American Imperialists because and Diu were expressed regarding the when Operation Vijaya came into force, merger of Daman and Diu with Gujarat. the whole western press decried India Under the Act of Parliament, Opinion Poll because India was using force when they was held and the wishes were expressed have all along been professing non- against the merger and now perhaps to say violence. But I also recall that at that time, it that it should be merged is not fair because is the socialist country which lent full sup- it will amount to insulting the wishes taken port to India. In this connection, I would earlier from the people concerned. also recall the sacrifices made by Mr. Nityananda Saha, a Communist worker Thirdly. Sir, for most of the States which from West Bengal, who was shot dead by have been created newly, you have to con- the Portugese police. I would also recall sider for the budgetary gap also and see to the imprisonment of Pandit Tridib Chowd- it that whatever financial problem that may hary, M.P., who was in Salazar's jail for arise in future for the State of Goa should long 19 months. Now, it is a very welcome be solved and this State should be step. After long 36 years, Goa is going to 31 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constltution(57th 32 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill [Dr. Sudhir Roy] States and it should be enjoyed by every citizen of this country. attain statehood. In this connection, I Sir, this is also an occasion to recall and would like to say that in India, the State to pay our homage to all those who have Governments are gradually becoming fought for the freedom of Goa against weaker and w~ker day by day and they colonialists and for those who had laid have turned into poor municipalities. Sir, down their lives in the struggle against we want the States to be strong with a colonialists and imperialists in that part of strong centre. If the States are weak, then the world. Sir, we have on-e of the eminent democracy cannot function. Therefore, freedom fighters representing Goa in this Sir, in this connection, I would like to say very House. He was the m.an who, for the that N.D.C. should meet frequently, the first time, brought the Private Members' Bill provision of which has been sanctioned by for granting statehood to Goa. Sir, we have the Constitution. The National Develop- some people still representing the people ment Council should meet frequently so of India in the Lok Sabha and also some that the Chief Ministers of the States and people in the Rajya Sabha. They cut across the Central Government may exchange the party lines and they are present here their ideas and viewpoints. Sir, I would today. recall that in Soviet Russia, all the Chief Ministers of the Union Republics are Sir, the struggle against colonialists and Members of the Central Government. But. the demand for statehood were together in India, we find the State Governments arE and were personified, as pointed out by looked upon as subservIent agents of the one of the first representatives of that terri- Central Government. This is not under the tory in this House. It was ;ndeed Mr. Puru- true spirit of federalism. Sir, I do not want shotham Kakodkar, who brought the to take much time of the House. In fact, I Private Members' Bill for granting state- would like to point out that Goa should hood to Goa. I followed him in this House have a separate High. Court of its own and on three consecutive occasions, I because in India, judiCIary is about to col- lapse, as was pointed out by the Ex-Chief brought Mr. Kakodkar's Bill again before the House. Again, after me Mr. Shantaram Justice Mr. P.N. Bhagawati. Therefore, it Naik had brought this Bill. Therefore, what will be good if Goa has a separate High we are doing today, Sir, is we are giving the Court. seal of parliamentary approval to the wishes of the people of Goa, which has THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been expressed by its representatives in MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS \his House... which has been expressed by (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): Mr. the representatives in the other House, Speaker, I rise to express the joy and happ- which has' been expressed by their repre- iness of the people of Goa on this very sentatives in the Legislative Assembly historic moment. It is a historic moment because, if I am not mistaken, twice or not merely for the people of Goa but also may be even more unanimous resolutions for the country as a whole. The Han. were 'passed by the Legislative Assembly Member who spoke just now, pointed out of Goa urging the Government of India to that Goa was liberated from colonialists grant Statehood to that territory. and now at this point of time, it joins the famity of Indian States on equal footing with full" democratic rights. Colonialists Sir, if the Statehood is given at this point had not given the equality. Goa was denied of time to Goa after 25 years because just a democratic rights among other things. few months ago on December 19 last the Today, the people of Goa get the same territory celebrated its Silver Jubilee of democratic rights and the same demo- Independence, If we get this demand ful- cratic set up, which is enjoyed by the filled, we owe it to one man, and that is 33 Goa, Daman & DIU VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & ConstitutIon (57th 34 Reorg a,/I Amdt) a,/l Prime Minister RaJlv Gandhi RaJlv Gandhi national exchequer and all these prove the has created this confidence In the mind of manner In which that small territory does the people that If the cause IS just, It does contribute to the national wealth and there- not matter how many people espouse It fore, the demand that It be considered as a and If the cause IS Just, It does not matter special State on the lines of the Union Ter- when and how the people espouse It, and It ntones that have been given Statehood IS not necessary that the people espouse a recently does deserve to be considered Just cause vociferously Rajlv Gandhi has favourably and I have no doubt that the unconditionally assured the nation that he Government and the Finance MInister and IS there to defend the Interests of all the the Home Minister citizens of thiS country Independently of any consideration whatsoever Now, we SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (801- are grateful to him on thiS momentous pur) Congratulate the people of the State occasion and the country, I am sure, IS (InterruptIons) Congratulate the people of grateful to him for upholding In that small Goa not the Pnme Minister part of the country their democratic rights and freedom It IS small and beautiful, and (Interruptions) though It IS small Sir, I would like to say that It has contnbuted a lot to the country SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO I have con- In finanCial matters The rate of bank dep- gratulated the people at the beginning and OSitS In Goa IS the highest In the country, stilI some further congratulations Will be the rate of literacy IS among the highest given at the end The progress made In that territory over the last 25 years compares very favourably Sir as I was saying I have no doubt that Sir, I was just In my constituency Day the Government of India will conSider sym- before yesterday I was there With the pathetically thiS demand for special status Senior offiCials of the Rural Development It IS Justified grants necessary for the Department of the Government of India development of that tern tory should not be and when we had an assessment of what held back, and they should be given In was happening there by bringing In the ample measure because good use IS and Sarpanches, the local Government officers has been made of the grants earlier I con- along With the Central Government offiC- gratulated the Government at the begin- ers, bnnglng all of them together, they said ning and now as on the other Side, as a that Goa IS an example as far as rural devel- member of thiS Government of which I am opment IS concerned and as far as the pro- very proud, Sir may I say that we all congress made and the way the programmes gratulate the people of Goa on the occa- are Implemented when compared to the tlon of the way that they have progressed, rest of the country are concerned What IS the way they have beha"ed, the way they true about the programmes of the rural have upheld the best traditions of the development IS true about many other pro- country On thiS monentous occaSion, all iJrammes also ThiS progress, I must say. IS of us-the people of Goa, the people of the mainly due to the efforts made by the Con- country-we JOin the youngest member of gress Party which has delivered the goods the family of the Indian States, the young- and which has won the confidence of the est and one of the brightest people of India In that territory I say thiS In the context of the fact that Goa also con- 12.00 hrs. tnbutes very substantially In other respects to national exchequer I have known that It ~lR SPEAKER May we JOin you thiS bnngs money for the national exchequer time In the Carnival for the feast? through the export of Iron ore, tOUrism does bring In money for the national SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO Yes Sir I exhequrer, shipping In the harbour of Mur- shall go on record I must fulfil thiS n:'agoa does bring In money for the assurance 35 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution (57th 36 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill MR. SPEAKER: I hope that you would. full-fledged Statehood. I am sure all the Prof. Madhu Dandavate. Parties who laid down their lives for the liberation of Goa, will be extremely happy [Trans/ation] that the Goa State will have the fullest liberty and freedom to prosper. I have always SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI (Mandsaur): believed-of course, there are compulsions He will create language dispute there also. of administration- but I have always beheved that the Centrally administered PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Rajapur): territories in a free and democ!:-atjc country Dispute arises with the Ruling Party. are some sort of anachronism. But sometimes, some territories are to be Centrally [Eng/ish] administered for a number of geo political reasons. But I am glad that gradually the MR. SPEAKER: Prof Madhu Dandavate. number of the Centrally administered territories is getting eroded and today we find PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Rajapur): that this territory which was Centrally Mr. Speaker, Sir, as one who had the privi- administered territory becomes a full- lege and honour to partiCipate in the liber- fledged State with a full-fledged Assembly. ation Movement in Goa against the I only hope that In this Assembly, we will Portugese imperialism, I deem it a great have the fullest liberty and freedom to see privilege to be in this House to welcome that all-sided development of Goa takes the formation of a separate State of Goa, as place. a part of the Indian Union. I am very closely associated with Goa. My constituency is , am very happy that representation of just touching the Goa territory and we are Goa in thiS House has been widened. Not all colleagues. only the two seats which were allotted to former Goa will be retained but Diu and Here, I would like to say on this occasion Daman will also have additional representa- that if there is a peculiarity of Goa, in a true tion. I am sure with the greatest strength of sense, Goa is the best model of secularism the people coming from Goa, may neigh- where Christianity, Hinduism and Islam bour, our hands will be strengthened in thiS co-exist peacefully and they try to enrich House. When I say, our hands, I am not each other. You will never find any reli- saying specitrcally the Opposition Parties. gious quarrels in Goa. There might be any I will be very glad if the Opposition is bickerings and confrontations in other strengthened by Goa. But I say, the hands parts of India. But I am proud that this is of this House will be strengthened further one territory in which you will never find by the wide representation that has been clashes and conflicts between the com- given. munities and the religious groups like Hin- dus, Muslims and Christians. There are many problems about the development of a small territory. Whenever Sir, before India became free, when such territories are carved out and formed there was a movement for liberation of as a State, there is always one fear in the Goa, Gandhiji had once said: "Goa is just mind of those people. My friend, Mr. Shan- like a small pimple on the face of India and taram Naik will bear me out that people once India becomes free, the pimple will want the State of Goa, but at the same time be eliminated." But even after freedom in they want that this territory which have the 1947, people had to suffer and sacrifice. youngest to join, our federal comity - my People were shot dead by the Protuguese friend just described Goa as the youngest police and therefore, the tale of sufferings Member - he could have added one and sacrifice continued and ultimately more adjective to Goa. It is not only the Goa became free. After the freedom of youngest member added to our comity, Goa, today we find that Goa will have a but it is one of the most beautiful, 37 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 38 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill members. Especially youngsters, when comes in their minds whether Central they are beautiful, they have an added assistance would be reduced and I have glory. Such a beautiful land has come to always believed that those which are small our comity of States. States, those which are backward States, those which are hilly States, they should SHAI SOMNA TH CHATTEAJEE : That always get priority in getting Central is why. they should have got rid of those assistance and I hope and trust that when people. Goa becomes a separate State, as a part of the Indian Union, the assistance that is PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: When- made available to them would be con- ever such sma'" and -beautiful territories Hnued for their furthei development, become as full-fledged States, they have because this is one State which gives a also one aspiration which is a cultural and large measure of foreign exchange. A aesthetic aspiration and that also should large number of tourists come to India and be respected. The small territory, Goa, is many of them visit Goa. It is also a fetcher extremely beautiful with its natural scen- of foreign exchange and, therefore, you ery. If you visit Goa, you will find that there should keep your eyes and mind open and are best churches, best temples and best look at Goa with an open mind. Like a mosques. parachute, mind also works best when it is open and, therefore, I hope you will keep MR. SPEAKER: I am gOing to visit now an open mind as far as Goa is concerned. because I had decided that when it becomes full-fledged, then I Will visit. I welcome the formation of Goa and con- SHAI SOMNA TH CHA TTEAJEE: You gratulate the people of Goa and also the are visitang alone. Prime Minister.

MR. SPEAKER: No. I will take you along SHRI SHARAD DIGHE (Bombay North with me. Central): In fact, I have no intention to speak on this non-controversial Bill but PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: From when I was listening to the han. Member you r statement, now It is very clear that it is Shri Shantaram Naik, my attention was not merely Government or the people of drawn to Clause 20 of the Goa, Daman and Goa who are responsible for a separate Diu Reorganisation Bill, 1987. In this it has State but your aspirations to go to Goa are been provided that there shall be common also responsible for the formation of State, High Court for the States of Maharashtra for the Government got an Inkling that you and Goa and for the Union Territories of have a vow to go only after it has become a Dadra and Nagar Haveli and Daman and full-fledged State. I am glad that your aspi- Diu to be called the High Court of Maha- rations have also fulfilled. rashtra and Goa.

I may refer to one important point. Whe- never such smafl territories become full- I would strongly object to this Clause for fledged States, they have an advantage this reason that Bombay Hingh Court has and, they also have a disadvantage. Some very longstanding tradition and its name kind of fear is lurking in their mind that should not be changed only because you former1y when they were Centrally admin· are forming another State of Goa. Bombay, istered States, they being sma" territories, calcutta, Madras and Allahabad are the they are not economically viable always High Courts whose names are not and, therefore, some sort of Central assist- changed even though the names of their ance was available. Sometimes when Cen- States were changed. When Tamil Nadu trally administered small territories was established, even then, Madras High become full-fledged States, a lurking fear Court is known to be Madras High Court. 39 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution (57th 40 Reofg. Bill Arndt.) Bill SHRI P. KqLANDAIVELU: Already Sir, even recently in the Union Territory there is a request and they are considering of Pondicherry, they have passed a resolution that it should be given Statehood. I SHRI SHARAD DIGHE: When the Bom- think the feelings of the people of Pondi- bay State was divided into Maharashtra cherry also would be respected by the and Gujarat, these suggestions were there. Central Government. (Interruptions) When Maharashtra was formed out ot the Bombay State and the With regard to the High Courts, I would Bombay State was divided into Maharash- like to POint out one thing. Sir, the Madras tra and Gujarat, and when the suggestion State was changed into the State of Tamil came that...... Nadu. Now, the High Court is having the name as Madras High Court. That has to SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Let be immediately changed as Tamil Nadu the High Courts function properly... High Court. That is all I want to say.

SHRI SHARAD DIGHE: When the sug- SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: (Anda- gestion came that atter forming this, the man & Nicobar Islands): Mr. Speaker, Sir,l Bombay High Court should be known as rise to join the JOys expressed by the Maharashtra High Court, that was also Members in the process of granting State- opposed. It is a very sensitive point as far hood to Goa. On thiS occasion, I would like as the judiciary and the Bar of the Bombay to congratulate the hon. Home Minister High Court is concerned. the High Court, and the Hon. Prime Minister for takin9 this of Bombay, the High Court of Madras, the historic deCision. Particularly, this Lok High Court of Allahabad and the High Sabha has got a unique feature in that the Court of Calcutta are very old High Courts. Government led by Shri Rajiv Gandhi has Bombay High Court has already got jUris- already granted Statehood to Mizoram, diction as far as Goa is concerned. You Arunachal Pradesh and now it has granted may continue that jurisdiction as far as the Statehood to Goa. Actually, the credit goes new State is concerned. But it is not neces- to him. It is also another feather in his cap. sary to change the name of the Bombay High Court and convert tt into that of the I was listening to the debate very care- High Court of Maharashtra and Goa. fully and I found that all the speakers who These are my submissions. have spoken previously, have mentioned about Goa. They have all expressed their SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU (Gobichetti- joys but they have not spoken a single palayam) : Sir, I welcome this Bill. Actually, word about the people of Andaman & the Central Government has risen to the Nicobar Islands, Lakshadweep or the occasion and they have respected the con- other Islands about their Statehood. (Inter- fidence and sentiments of the people of ruptions) Even the Marxist Member from Goa. At this juncture, I would respectfully the other side- they speak in the streets submit that there is a problem in Goa i.e. about their democracy- while speaking the language problem that the Konkani here, did not mention a single word about language has to be recognised. the Andaman & Nicobar Islands or the other Union Territories ...

AN HON. MEMBER: It is all over. (Interruptions)

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: If it is over SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Is it then let it be added as the 16th language to relevant here? the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution. Already you have recognised 15 lan- (Interruptions) guages and the 16th language should be the Konkani language. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: 41 Goa, Daman & DIU VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 42 Reorg. 811/ Amdt) 81/1 Members of all the Union Terrltones, Andaman and Nlcobar Islands should be Including Goa, and the hon Minister who conferred Statehood. They have been IS sitting there- while he was not a fighting for this In the Parliament for quite a Mlnlster- we used ot Sit together and diS- long time Goa also has a very long history cuss. At that time he was also championing In this regard First, It had to struggle with the causes of the Unton Terrrtones Now, the Portugese for which the Indian people he has 'also forgotten to say a single word and the Indian political parties, partIcularly about the Union Terntory left partIes JOIned them In theIr struggle for freedom The socIalist countnes and the Another fact IS that If you happen to go Soviet Unions also gave consIderable sup- to the Andaman & Nlcobar Islands- port It IS a matter of happiness that Goa IS which IS called the Bastille of India where being granted the status of a State today the Cellular Jail IS there-you can find the Demands have been raised In the Parlia- blood and tears of the people stili marked ment to make certain Union Terntones. In the red pillars of the Jail Further, on 29th Including Andaman and Nlcobar Islands December, 1943 NetaJI Subash Chandra as States The Portugese delayed the free- Bose came to that Island and hOisted the' dom to Goa and Central Government has National Tncolour ThiS IS the first land, equally delayed the Statehood to Goa. which was liberated In thiS country Statehood has been conferred only after a struggle for It had been launched In the Today we have been given the worst ParlIament Goa should have a separate type of administration In the Islands When- High CduT1 Elections Will be held there for ever we came and placed our request Its development and progress Whatever before the hon Home Minister, "Kindly may be the outcome of the elections, we lIsten to us, you gIve us a Union Territory should realise that Goa IS a very beautiful with a Legislature", that also has been place and earns substantIal foreign turned down My request IS thiS There exchange for Ind,a It should be extended should be some unrform polley In respect all help and assIstance so that It may of all UnIon T errrtones It IS not that some develop and march on the path of pro- people are Infenor and some people are gress With these words I congratulate the supenor I am happy you have given the people of Goa and the people of the rest of trust to the people of Goa The same trust the country on the occasion of granting should be given to the people of the other Statehood to Goa Union TerritOries also Now, the people of Goa Will have the nght to Involve them- [English) selves and develop that area In the same way, I request that the Andaman & Nlcobar [SHRI SHARAD DGHE In the Chalf) Islands, Lakshadweep and all other Union Terrltones should be conSidered and the 12.19 hrs democratic nght should be given to us also SHRI C K JAFFAR SHARIEF (Banga- lore North) Mr Chairman, Sir, I think, With these words, I support thiS Bill and I today IS the happIest day, and all of us thank you very much, Sir, for giving me the should congratulate the people of Goa on opportunity to speak their achieVing Statehood and Jommg the mainstream of the country It has been a memorable fight-the liberation of Goa and [Trans/atlon) then the struggle of the Goan people to maintain their IdentIty For some tIme there SHRl VIJOY KUMAR YADAV was really a confUSion There was a fear (Nalanda) Mr Speaker, Sir, I support the whether Maharashtra Will take Goa or Kar- Bill. Just now our colleague Shn Manoran- nataka WI" try to create some problem for Jan Bhakta has correctly suggested that them, all sorts of fear were there But the Goa, Daman & OIU MAY 11, 1987 & ConsU/uyont57th 44 Reorg. BII/ Amdt.) Bill [SHRI C K Jaffar Shanef] the Goan people for their liberation struggle for 15 years after 1947 from the FaSCist people of Goa, the brave people gave their Government of Portugese. So, Sir, I con- mandate when the referendum was taken gratulate the people of Goa I request them I had the pnvllege of vIsiting Goa on many that they should treat us like brothers and occasions As Professor Dandavate has they should not feel themselves Isolated satd, It IS really a very beautiful State I do They must JOin With the mainstream of not want to add much On behalf of the entire India and they must think that our people of Karnataka, we Wish the people of country IS very big right from Kashmir to Goa a very happy and prosperous future Goa Thank you

SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY (Allpurduar) Mr SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA (Ahme- ChalrmaP, Sir, I support this Bill and Jom In dabad) Sir, I am very happy today that the rejoIcing With the people of Goa Sir, I land of super natural beauty, catholic cul- should like to recall some of the events ture and, of course, the land which whIch had occurred dunng the liberation abounds In cashew-nut gardens and fenny movement fountains IS getting the full Statehood today I therefore, congratulate the We are supposed to be the followers of Government of India and the Prime MIniS- non-VIOlence which was tought by ter on thel( confernng the Statehood on Mahatma Gandhi This 'astra' was used at Goa. first but It COuld not work For the first time, It was found that It IS useless against the [MR DEPUTY SPEAKER to the Chair] FaSCist regime of Portugese So, we failed on that aspect and the Government was thinking what to do But, Shn Jawaharlal 12.25 hI'S. Nehru was the first to think about what could be done for the people of Goa My memory goes back to those days because the people there were very much when we were fighting for DWlmuktl The aggneved and the entire nation was very people of Saurashtra In GUJarat organised much aggrieved on how to get liberation Daman and DIU Muktl Sangram under the In the Parliament, my party RSP had the leadership ot Shn Eswarbhal Desai Shn one M P who JOined the liberation move- Vajubhal Shukla and my collegue In the ment With other leaders Among them other House Shn Chlmman Mehta As a were Shn Madhu Llmaye, Shn N G Garay, soldier of that Muktl Sangram Samltl, I feel Shn Bhowle, Shn J L Joshi and Shn A R proud that Goa IS becoming a full State Patll All these people were SoCialist today members My only leader Shn Yudlp Chowdhury 10 the Parliament spared him- In the total federal structure of our coun- self for the freedom movement In 1950-55 try and In the Parliamentary democractlc They were got arrested and kept 10 the set up, a Union Territory has less than ItS Aguwa-dle-Fort for 10 months With rigor- natural status Therefore, when a Union Ter- ous Impnsonment They had suffered ntory becomes a State, It assumes the natu- most _and the people should remember ral status and gets full partnership With our those who were associated WIth the Goa federal parliamentary democratic set up l.oeratlon movement The Socialists at that time, In the House agreed to move to Goa I shall confine my comments only to but they did not dare to go there Shn Sections 3, 4 and 20 While Sections 3 and Yudlp Chowdhury from my party , who IS 4 confer full Statehood on Goa, D,u and stili liVing would be very happy to hear that Daman are madp a separate Union Terri- Goa has now got Statehood 'am very tory Looking to the SPirit of our Constitu- proud to state that I JOin In reJoIcing With tion, looking to what Mahatma GandhlJI the world people today I once more thank said about lingUistic prOVinces, looking to 45 Goa, Daman & DIU VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 46 Reorg. a,/l Amdt.) Bill the report of the States ReorganisatIon consideration in the House at present and I Committee and looking to the fact that the rise to express my opinion on the subject people of Daman and DIu have common We have seen that earlier Mizoram and language of GUJaratl and of course com- Arunachal Pradesh were granted Stat~ mon mental set up With the rest of GUJarat, hood and now Goa is going to get a similar the Government should have conSidered status We do not know as to how many merging of Daman and DIu With the State more Union Territones will get Statehood of GUJarat, so that they can also be the full but It IS true that whenever there are agita- partners In the Statehood of GUJarat and tions, trains are held up, buses are burnt thereby contnbute to the national efforts. and people are killed, the Government sur- renders to the agitators and accepts their I shall be grateful If the Government con- demands. This situation is clearly seen siders making Daman and Diu parts of Guj- everywhere. When the Bill for granting arat at an appropriate time. I only want to Statehood to Mizoram was under consider- urge the Government to examine, taking ation, Goa also demanded the same into consideration all the relevant facts, status It was fqllowed by Arunachal Pra- whether it will be more appropriate to desh where Statehood was granted after place Daman and Diu under the full State some such incidents Today the hon. of Gujarat. Member from Andaman and Nicobar has also demanded Statehood but I want to PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: reiterate that the Government is not going Smugglers will be opposed to that! to listen if we merely plead and demand peacefully for it. The Government will SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA: Yes, Sir. At accede to such wishes only after agitations least pending that, the High Court of Guja- are> launched and blood is shed. If the agi- rat should have the Jurisdiction over Diu tations are launched, only then the and Daman Of course, my suggestion of Government can be pressurised into con- making Daman a part of GUJarat may not ferring the Statehood to Andaman and Nlcobar. make those who are Interested in the distll- lenes of Daman very happy, Daman being a smugglers' paradIse, they might not be SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: But the pe0- happy when Daman becomes a part of ple of Goa have never come to the streets. GUJarat The Government has granted Statehood voluntarily But the record of Gujarat High Court In tackling cases against smugglers IS very S. BUTA SINGH: Shri Janga Reddy, good Therefore Daman and DIu should there has been no agitation in Goa. have been placed under Gujarat High Court, keeping In view the convenience of SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: I know that the litigants of Daman and DIU also. there were agitations. Everyone knows what happened there 4 months ago. With these observations and with an earnest request to the Government to con- SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: That agita- Sider my suggestion at an appropnate tion was over the language issue. time, I once again congratulate the people of Goa and thank the Government of India SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: But that too for confernng Statehood on Goa. was done by the Congress and its members. It was a trick of the Congress. [ Trans/atlon 1 We know it. If you wanted to grant Stat~ hood why was not it done at the time when SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Hanam- Statehood was being conferred on Mizo- konda): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Bill for grant- ram and Arunachal Pradesh? If you want Ing Statehood to Goa is under to grant Statehood to every Union Territory 47 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11,1987 & Constitution(57th 48 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill [Shri C. Janga Reddy] Members. Why are you objecting to State- hood to Delhi? \Nhat are the reasons for then why are you not doing the same in the your objections? Kindly reply to my ques- case of Delhi? The proposal for granting tion. I would also like to know as to what Statehood to Delhi has been passed both steps are being taken about Andaman. by the Congress and the B.J.P. but in spite of that you are not prepared to do it. Is it The Government should decide these because the Government accepts such things once for all. No Government should proposals only after the people launch agi- bow before any agitation or movements, tations? The Government listens to only but we know that the present Government those demands for which people come out bows before the agitations and move- in the streets and stop the trains. This feel- ments. If the people of Delhi or of any other ing is growing in the people. Therefore, I Union Territory start any agitation, the want that if you want to do something con- Government will grant Statehood to them structive then do it without delay. also. Therefore, I want that Government should take a decision before any such My hon. friend has just submitted about agitations are started. In the end I support Pondicherry. Ours is a Telegu speaking the Bill. area which is 15 kms away from Kakinada and is included jn the Union Territory. The SHRI U.H. PATEL (Bulsaq: Mr. Deputy commodities there are cheaper and people Speaker, Sir, I wholeheartedly welcome go there for purchases. We want that thiS Bill. To save the people of Goa from Yanam should be merged with Andhra the atrocities of Portugese, I also partici- Pradesh. But the people are of the view pated in its liberation movement under the that until the people of Kakinada or Andhra leadership of Late Shn Iswarlal Desai. In or Yanam do not agitate, a de€ision to that Satyagraha Shn Ramg,ri Sadhu was merge Yanam with Andhra Pradesh by killed and an Adivasi Shri Lalubhai Patel amending the constitution will not be also got his foot fractured by a bullet shot. taken. We want that Government should Many Satyagrah,s had died and our leader bring a Bill taking decision once for all to was given rigorous Imprisonment 'Of 12 grant Statehood to which ever Union Terri- years. On this Pt. Jawahar Lal Nehru took a tory it wants to. strong step and liberated Goa from Portu- gese rule. Today this Bill has been brought Our friend was just talking about Guja- in the House. Therefore, this too will be a rat. Several such demands have come to memorable day for us and I thank the Hon. you but you are conferring Statehood one Prime Minister. by one for political gains. You have granted the status of a State to Mizoram, I would also like to tell that various steps Arunachal Pradesh, and you are doing the have been taken by the Government for same for Goa in this session. In the next the development of Union Territory of session Pondicherry and Andaman and Dadra and Nagar Haveli also but a handful Nicobar Islands will be granted Statehood. of people with vested interests and officers Why do not you then give Statehood to have exploited the poor there as a result of Telangana? You give it only when there are which the general public could not make agitations. I want to say that you should desired progress. Therefore, the Central not accept demands only after the people Government will have to take care that resort to agitations. same thing may not happen in the newly created Union Territory of Daman and Diu You should consider Delhi also in this and it may not become hide out of handful matter. Delhi should be granted statehood. of thieves. Therefore, Government win There are only 2 Lok Sabha Members from have to take some strong action to save the Goa whereas from Delhi there are 7 people from these elements. 49 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 50 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill Daman and Diu are coastal areas. There- PROF. MAHDU DANDAVATE: There is fore, their development is vey necessary. If only one party. &ea-ports are constructed there, I think that will be very helpful for their develop- SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: It is a totalitarian ment. From the geographical paint of view :3tate. There is supposed to be one party. Oman and Diu are adjacent to Gujarat. But we are running the democracy and Therefore it is most appropriate time when there will be so many parties. we can merge them with Gujarat State. Sir, I request that Pondicherry should, also be given Statehood. Recently, the With these words, I support this Bill. Pondicherry Assembly also requested the Central Government for grant of State- hood to Pondicherry. Even all the former [EnglJsh] Chief Ministers and Assemblies also requested and passed resolutions demand- SHRI N.V.N. SOMU (Madras North): Mr. ing Statehood for Pondicherry. My friend, Deputy Speaker, Sir, first of all, I congratu- Mr. Manoranjan Bhakta, wanted State- late the people of Goa for getting State- hood for Andaman & Nicobar Islands and hood. Our DMK Party also conducted Lakshadweep. I support his view and sympathetic agitation for liberation of Goa request that these territories should also and, as such, I pay my tributes to the mar- be given Statehood. tyrs who fought and sacrificed their lives I congratulate the people of Goa. Also, I for the liberation of Goa and also the peo- request the hon. Home Minister, who is ple of Goa for getting Statehood today. present here, to give Statehood to all the Union Territories so that we complete the Sir, the Government got two mangoes procedure simultaneously. Thank you. with one stone. It has also changed the [ Trans/atlon] name of Bombay High Court as 'Maha- rashtra High Court'. There was a long- SHRI ANOOPCHAND SHAH (Bombay pending request from the people of Tamil North): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I whole- Nadu also to change the name of Madras heartedly support the Goa, Daman and High Court as Tamil Nadu High Court. You Diu Reorganisation Bill and 57th Constitu- may remember that it was only our late tional Amendment Bill. The Hon. Prime lamented Anna who formed the DMK Minister and the Home Minister have Government in 1967 and changed the brought this Bill to fulfil the aspirations of name of Madras State as Tamil Nadu. So, the people of Goa and to confer Statehood likewise the name of Madras High Court to Goa, for which I thank both of them. But should be changed as Tamil Nadu High in addition to it, I would like to submit two Court. points to the hon. Home Minister regarding Daman and Diu which will be retained as Union Territory. Sir, I also request the Government to include Konkani language in the Eighth So far Daman and Diu are concerned, tm: Schedule. Last year in December, there hon. Members Shri Haroobhai Mehta and were agitations in support of this langu- Uttam Bhai from GUJarat have rightly said gae. It seems settled now. Sir, I request that that Daman and D,u have become the regional languages should be hideouts for smugglers, criminals and bad respected. In Soviet Russia, there are 163 elements. After committing crimes in languages spoken, Ukranian Language, nearby States like Gujarat and Maharash- spoken by four crores of peopJe, and tra, the criminals hide in Daman and Diu. Eskimo language, spoken by 1.000 people, Even today the bIggest smuggling den in are given equal status. Therefore, I request Ind.a is in Daman. Then why do we want to that equal status should be given to all the retain Daman and Diu as Union Territory? If regional languages in our country. we look it from geographical point of view, 51 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11,1987 & Constitution 57th 52 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill of Goa for getting Statehood-one of the [Shri Anoopchand Shah 1 beautiful decisions for a very beautiful we should merge DIu in Gujarat State State. While congratulating them I feel privi- because it is actually located in GUJarqt. In leged that one master Karnail Singh of a all respects it is linked with Gujarat but village Isru, District Ludhiana, wer"lt right even then you say that the people of from Punjab to Goa as a part of peaceful Daman and Diu desire to retain their status agitation in 1955 and sacrificed his life for of Unloll Territory. But I would ask as to the liberation of Goa from Portugese. So, who actually wants so? Whether the peo- this is a matter of great pleasure for whole ple want so or the smugglers and Criminals of the country and for the people of Punjab whose writ runs large there, want that Its also because one of their great sons sacri- present status should be retained? From ficed hiS life for the liberation of that area. geographical point of view Daman should be merged with Maharashtra and Diu When the Statehood is being conferred should be merged with Gujarat. There is a upon Goa, more powers for all the States is long distance between the two but you the issue these days. The basic responsi- have allotted only one seat of the Parlia- bility for the development of the State lies ment to both Daman and Diu. One M.P. with the State Government. So, both legiS- has been looking after the Interests of both lative and financial powers should be given Daman and Diu and even today we have . to the state for speedy and rapid develop- the same arrangement of representation. ment of the state. I also feel that effective When you are granting Statehood to Goa steps Will be taken by the Government In and have got opportunity of reorganisation Goa to promote the tradition and great cul- why are you retaining Daman and DIU as ture of Goan people. So. I bow my head Union Territory? I once again request the before those freedom fighters who launched hon. Home Minister that from geographi- struggle and agitation for the liberation of cal pOint of view Daman and DIU should be Goa; and as a result of their sacrifices, merged With Maharashtra and Gujarat today. a full fledged state is on the map of respectively and then development pro- India; and it will stand with other members gramme for them should be formulated. of the Indian families and will develop Otherwise the people getting benefits along with them. hitherto will continue to get benefits of your programmes. The bad elements, With these few words, I congratulate the criminals and smugglers will get benefits people of Goa and the Prime Minister and of your programmes In the coming days. the Home Minister for taking this right You can go and see as to who IS actually step. governing there? You will find that smugglers are actually running Govern- SHRI ASUTOSH LAW (Dum Dum): Mr. ment there and same position will continue Deputy Speaker, at this happy moment, in future also. Daman and Diu may remain may I congraulate the people of Goa for Union Territory or not but smugglers and achieving Statehood and also our Prime criminals will continue to rule the roost Minister, Shri Rajiv Gandhi, who has not there. Therefore. I request that besides only initiated such an historic step but also Statehood to Goa the Government should successfully fulfilled the aspirations of the also think about Daman and Diu and if not people of Goa with the support of both today. you should think over it as early as sides of the House. possible and Daman and DIU should be merged With Maharashtra and Gujarat Goa has illustrious heritage. The people respectively. With such expectations. I of Goa sufferd a lot during the foreign rule, support the present Bills. during the Portugese rule. Their great heritage, culture, development schemes were SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOOWA- stagnant, but the people of Goa success- L-IA (Sangur) I congratulate the people fully preserved the heritage of Goa. The 53 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 54 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill people of Goa deserve Statehood. State- I take this opportunity to welcome the hood of Goa will further strengthen the people of Goa and extend our heartiest brotherhood amongst the people of India. greatings on this occasion. With these few Goa as a separate State will not only fulfil words I support this Bill. the long heritage and aspirations of the people of Goa but also as a new born State MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shrimati Usha with its numerous natural resources, tour- Choudhari. ism potentiality and ship building heritage will definitely stand in the economy of SHRIMATI USHA CHOUDHARI (Amra- India to a great extent. vati). Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I whole heartedly support the Goa. Daman and At this historic moment. may I recall the DIU ReorganisatIon Bill, presented In the dream of the founding fathers of the consti- House and I rise to speak on it. As Shri tution of India, who visualised India as a Dandavate has said. people from every democratic country. May lance agam nook and corner of the country had joined extend my gratitude and thanks to our the Goa liberation movement. Where, on Prime Minister and also members of thiS the one hand, important leaders joined the House. for helping the people of Goa to movement. a son of a farmer belonging to achieve the status of the Statehood and to my constituency Amravatl also became put Goa in the main democratic stream of martyr In this movement. Therefore. our India. sentiments as well as that of the people from every corner of the country are att- With these words, I support thiS Bill. ached with Goa. Shrt Manoranjan Bhakta was speaking on Andaman and Nicobar SHRIMATI O.K. BHANDARI (Sikkim): I with a heavy heart that no one has menti- support thiS Bill. While I congratulate the oned about that Union Territory. But we people of Goa for fulfilling their long stand- want to tell him that we appreciate the sup- ing demand I am very much appreciative of port given to the freedom fighters by Anda- the sympathetic hearing on the part of the man and Nicobar Islands. The feeling of Centre which has resulted in the con- freedom had reached there also. Goa. ferring of Statehood to Goa. Daman and D,u evoke memorable feelings of the people. I would like to tell that Goa is Sir, I am sure Goa, after attaining State- undergiong political changes. Previously hood will further prosper. The people of Goa was a Union Territory and now it is Goa have been for tunate In many ways. being conferred Statehood. But by con- The day Goa joined the mainstream of the fernng Statehood, the problem of that Indian Union after their liberation from the State will not be SOlved. We have learnt that Portugese all the people of Goa became there is a defICIt of crores of rupees in the the citizens of the country. That was most Budget of Goa. We will have to see that natural and a democratic way also. So was after conferring Statehood on Goa, taxes of the case of the people of Daman and Diu the people are not increased there. The and Dadra and Nagar Haveli and Pondl- sympathy of the Central Government has cherry also. But this natural process was always been with Goa. Daman and Diu. It not adopted when Sikklm merged with is hoped that after conferring Statehood on India. Some undemocratic conditions Goa. the Central Government will con- were foisted on the poeple of Sikkim, as a tinue paying attention towards it as before. result of which thousands of Sikkimese The people want to live in peace and want people who were otherwise eligible to that they should get facilities of life. A very become citizens of India had been left out. commendable step has been taken and I So, I say that the people of Goa are fortu- support it. nate in this respect as they do not have the problem of citizenship as we in Sikkim The opposition Members leave t.le have. House after making speeches and do not 55 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11,1987 & Constitution(57th 56 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill [Shrimati Usha Choudhari] today is getting Statehood. I am, therefore, extremely glad to rise in support of the stay for hearing us. But we, who have to Goa, Daman and Diu Reorganisation Bill, speak on behalf of the Government or 1987 moved by our Hon. Home Minister. I party, have to be very careful while making congratulate the peop:e of Goa in achiev- speech. Our party and our Government do ing their long pending demand. not shirk their responsibility. The Govern- ment has taken step in regard to the Goa At this jucture, let me also convey my after very careful consideration and this heartfelt thanks to the Hon. Prime Minister can also be taken in regard to Andaman Shri Rajiv Gandhi for rightfully honouring and Nicobar Islands and for other places the aspirations of the Goans and granting also. I support this Bill and would like to Statehood to Goa. Recently, the Prime say that either you confer Statehood on Minister was kind to grant Statehood to Daman and Diu or merge them with some Arunachal Pradesh. other State. These areas are very backward areas. These have always been exploited. Sir, the territories of Pondicherry, Karai- Attention should be paid towards the poor kal, Mahe and Yanam were under French and the backward people. rule for more than 250 years. The people of Pondicherry and the said territories Besides this, I would like to support the decided to accede to India and, therefore, steps taken by our Prime Minister. Some revolted against the French rule. The revo- opposition Members were saying that the lution reached its pinnacle in 1954. The Government moved in only when there then Prime Minister Pandit Jawaharlal was some agitation and bloodshed. I fail to Nehru, with his political sagacity and sta- understand as to why we are talking of tesmanship of world acclaim, negotiated bloodshed and all that when we are going With the French and arrived at an amicable to create history. We are for the integrity of settlement for the liberation of the country and for this if it is necessary to Pondicherry. create a State, we are prepared for it. At the moment we are going to create Goa State Pondicherry was freed from French and we should not deviate from this point. yoke on 1st November, 1954 and it became a Union Territory. Keeping in mind the I hope that after Goa receives Statehood, separate cultural identity of Pondicherry, the people of that State will find an oppor- Pandit Nehru accorded speCial status to it. tunity to make progress in life. Our He also gave an assurance that as long as Government, the hon. Home Minister and the people of Pondicherry do not decide the Hon. Prime Minister have taken this otherwise, the special status shall con- step in accordance with the just principles tinue. He also provided all possible assist- of our party and the culture of the country ance for the development of Pondicherry, and I congratulate them for this. I hope we all its people and culture. will adopt a right course. With these words, I conclude. Shrimati Gandhi continued to provide 12.58 hrs. assistance to Pondicherry in the same manner as her illustrious father did. She [MR. SPEAKER in the chair] took keen interest in the development of Pondicherry. [ Trans/ation] Hon. Prime Minister Shri Rajiv Gandhi is ·SHRI P. SHANMUGAM (Pondicherry) : takinq special interest in the development Han. Speaker, Sir, today it is a happy day of Pondicherry and in safeguarding the because Goa which is a Union Territory till special status accorded to ~t by Panditji.

• The speech was originally delivered in Tamil. 57 Goa, Daman & DIU VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 58 Reorg. a,l/ Arndt.) BI/I Pondlcherry has, thus, become a viable belong to the constituency which had political and terntorlal untt and, now, pos- the privilege to represent in this House. sesses all the essential requirements of His village was In my constituency. We blossoming Into a full-fledged State. pay homage to all those martyrs who laid their lives for the liberation of the people The people of Pondlcherry are also crav- and the State of Goa. Ing for Statehood for long Respecting the Wishes of the people, the Legislative The three distinct and geographically Assembly of Pondlcherry passed unani- separate Units on the West coast of India mouslya resolution on 8th May, 1987 urging comprising the present Union Territory of upon the Central Govt. to confer State- Goa, Daman and DIU had been under the hood on the Union Terntory. occupation of Portugese till 19th December, 1961. The desire of the people I, therefore, request the Hon Prime Mini- of thiS Terntory became more strong as ster and the Hon Home Mlntster here to the rest of the country won the independ- accede to the demand of the populace of ence In 1947 Their freedom struggle Pondlcherry for Statehood so that a legiS- gained momentum and In 1954 two small lature elected by the people and for the unlts-Dadra and Nagar Havell- people IS constituted succeeded in throwing off the Portugese yoke. They were later constituted into the 13.00 hrs. Union Terntory of Dadra and Nagar Haveli. It took another 7 years of hard [English] struggle for the people of Goa to win their freedom. Ultimately on 19th December, PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE' Before 1961 the people of Goa joined in inde- you reply, kindly touch upon one pOint pendence with the rest of India. which is In the minds of many people. As far as the change in the name of ~he Bom- The thinking of the Government of bay High Court IS concerned, have you India on the future status for these people consulted the Bar Council and tl-te Maha- and the terntorles was aptly summarised rashtra Government also? The Bill says by the then Prime MInister, Pandlt Jawa- that the Bombay High Court will be harlal Nehru, In the followln_9 words. changed Into High Court of Maharashtra "We recognise that Goa has its and Goa. Were the concerned authOrities indiViduality and history which consulted on this? must be maintained till the pe0- ple themselves Wish to change it. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIR (S. In keeping With thiS, we shall re- BUTA SINGH): I join the hon. Members cognise that Individuality within on both sides of this House in paying our the Indian Union and give it the tributes to those great sons of India who machinery of self-government, laid their lives for the liberation of Goa. I which Will form part of the take legitimate humble pride in that also Government of the Union. because as a student in Bombay, as Prof. Regarding the changes to be Dandavate just now mentioned that he introduced in future, they will was one of those great leaders who particI- naturally be made in consulta- pated In the liberation movement, I also tion and agreement with the pe0- had a humble contribution under the lead- ple from there themselves." ership of Shn V. K. Krishna Menon. The students of Bombay also had played their This was the vision of our great leader, part in the liberation of Goa. In addition to Pandit Jawarharlal Nehru. Our present that also, there was a martyr from Punjab Prime Minister, Shri Rajiv Gandhi, in this whose name Shri Ramoowalia mentioned, very august House, I remember, on many Master Kamail Singh. He happened to occaSions, promised to the people of Goa 59 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution 57th 60 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill [So Buta Singh] beautiful. These are some of the unique features of Goa. The most distinguished that the Government of India and this feature of Goa and its people is that all august House will decide about the State- major religions of our country are living hood to Goa very favourably. The only together with complete harmony and the hurdle was the issue of language in Goa. people have never presented before us any communal problem, even on the lan- As you know, the people of Goa, guage issue. It was agitated mostly on lin- through their own Assembly, have been guistic lines and not on communal lines. able to resolve amicably the issue of lan- These are the people of Goa who will defi- guage. In Goa, Konkani has become the nitely enrich the environment of commu- official language while Marathl language nal harmony, the unity of the country, love can be used for official purposes in Goa for the other religions and tolerance. district in that State. With that happy deci- These are the qualities that the people of sion of the Assembly, now the stage was Goa have shown in our social life. set and the situation was created for the Statehood of Goa. On this solemn occa- Many paints were raised by the han. sion, I, on behalf of the House-almost all Members. Shri Shantaram Naik raised the Members, including the Opposition- some paints, on which other Member5 express our grateful thanks to the han. also joined. One is about the question of Prime Minister Shri Rajiv Gandhi, who naming the new High Court. We had done basically made it possible for the people it only for the purpose of extending the of Goa to have full Statehood. Goa will be jurisdiction of the present Bombay High JOIning the community of States in the Court to the territories at Goa States and nation, as 25th State. Daman and Diu. But as the hon. Members Prof. Dandavate Ji and the han. Prime Goa, as you know, Sir, is a land of uni- Minister himself have expressed their feel- que scenic beauty well known for the ings about the Bombay High Court, we warmth in the hearts of the people. The will examine in consultation with the Law unfolding of different seasons with the Ministry. If the name could be retained, backdrop of breathtaking scenery looking we have no objection to this. But we had exquisite in its rich golden-brown shades done it only for the administrative pur- turning to emerald-green; the peaceful poses because the jurisdiction of the estuaries, the lull of the waves on the soft present High Court was, to be extended silvery sands, the fine people of the Terri- .... (lnterruptions). In pr4nciple it is yes, tory, their rich cultural heritage, etc. are all out since It IS a legal thing, I will check up assets of value to our motherland. with the Law Ministry and in case in the process we are able to get tre advice, we My distinguished colleague Shri can do it at the end. But in principle we Eduardo Faleiro described Goa as small agree with the present name which has and beautiful .... ( Interruptions). some history behind it.

[Translation] PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: In MR. SPEAKER: Since when have you future you may check up before moving started writing poetry? the Bills.

(Interruptions) S. BUTA SINGH: Well, legal niceties are always subject to interpretation, but I S. BUTA SINGH' Prof. Dandavate Ji have promised that we will check up with said that the people of Goa are beautiful. the Law Ministry and if it is possible, we May I add to it that the people of Goa are will try to retain the name of the Court as loving and great, the State is small but Bombay High Court. 61 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 62 Reorg. Bill AfT/dt.) Bill My dear friend Shn Manoranjan With these words I commend this Bill Bhakta Ji was trying to link up the issue for the House to pass. of administrative set up in Andaman and Nicobar with the Statehood. This House THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV knows that only in the recent past we have GptNDHI): I wC'uld just like to add a few constituted an Island Development words to what the Home Minister has Authority, of which the Chairman is the said. The State of Goa turns a new phase hon. Prime Minister himself, and we held in its history tOiday. It has come through the first meeting of that Authority, only Portugese subjugatuib, has been liber- recently. I think that is perhaps the only ated and today we have a Bill which will authority which is headed by the hon. make into a full-fledged State. Prime Minister, and the han. Members I would first like to congratulate the from Andams and Nicobar and Laksha- people of Goa. Goa is a very beautiful part dweep should have no fear about the deve- of our country and as has alr~ady been said, lopment in those islands. Government of very beautiful people stay in Goa. They India is very keen to develop the islands have shown a rare maturity in handling and to bring them to the mainstream of our difficult and complicated problems that national life. they havt;l been faced with. I must congrat- Other provisions of the Bill .... ulate them tor overcoming these problems, the way they have overcome them SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: Imple- and we welcome them as a full-fledged mentation is done by the officers from State of the Union of India. Thank you. here. The Prime Minister only gives the MR. SPEAKER: The question is: guidelines. "That the Bill to provide for the SHRI BUTA SINGH: Implementation all reorganisation of the Union terri- over the country, even in the full States is tory of Goa, Daman and Diu and done by the officers. That is how our for matters connected therewith, whole Constitution is made up. be taken into consideration."

Shri Shantaram Naik raised another The motion was adopted. point tor Daman and Diu-that the hon Members of the Assembly from Daman MR. SPEAKER: The House will now and Diu in the Goa Assembly should be take up Clause-by-Clause consideration given that status in their respective areas of the Bill. The question is: of Daman and Diu and they should be given Advisory Council. The Government "That Clauses 2 to 8 stand part of is accepting this in principle and we have the BilL" already constituted Daman and Diu into a The motion was adopted. separate Union Territory. We will have thiS Advisory Council and these Members can Clauses 2 to 8 were added to the Bill. be members of that AdviSOry Council and the areas will not be neglected. We will Clause 9-( Parliamentary Constitency give full attention to the development of of the Union Territory of Daman and 011... ) Daman and Diu also. Amendment made: These were some of the points raised by the hon. Members. I am sure the whole Page 3,- House unanimously will extend their greetings and congratulations to the peo- for lines 19 to 21. substitute ple of Goa, Daman and Diu for the State- hood that they are going to get. "9. The whole of the Union terri- 63 Goa, Daman & DIU MAY 11,1987 & Constitution (57th 64 Reorg B,II Amdt.) Bill Speaker of the provISional LegislatIVe Assembly' (4) tory of Daman and DIu shall form one parliamentary consti- (S Buta Singh) tuency to be called the Daman and DIu Parliamentary consti- MR SPEAKER The question IS tuency and as soon as may be "That clause 15, as amended, after the appointed day, election stand part of the Bill " shall be held to the House of the People to elect a representative The motion was adopted from that constituency, as If the seat of the member elected to Clauses 15, as amended, was added to the House of the People from the B,I/ that constituency has become vacant and the provIsions of sec- MR SPEAKER The questIOn IS tion 149 of the Representation of The motion was adopted the People Act, 1951 shall, so far as may be, apply In relation to That clauses 76 to 79 stand part of the such election (3) Bill (S Buta Singh) The motion was adopted MR SPEAKER The question IS 'That Clause 9 as amended Clause 16 to 19 were added to the Bill stand part of tf-)e Bill MR SPEAKER Now clauses 20 to 30 The motion was adopted Shn Shantaram Nalk you want to move ?

Clause 9, as amended was added to the SHRr SHANTARAM NAIK I want to say Bill a few words Sir

MR SPEAKER Unless you move you MR SPEAKER The question IS cannot speak You want to get It . That Clauses 10 to 14 stand part negatived ? ! of the Bill ' ( InterruptIOns)

The motion was adopted MR SPEAKER He IS not moving

C/ausea 10 to 14 were added to the B,I/ ( Interruptions)

Clause 15-(Speaker of the provISional MR SPEAKER The question IS LegislatIve Assembly) That clauses 20 to 30 stand part of the Amendment made BIll

Page 5- The motion was adopted

for Imes 1 to 5. substItute Clauses 20 to 30 were added to the Bill

15 The person who ImmedIately before Clauses 37 to 59 were added to the B,1/ the apPoInted day IS the Speaker of the legIslative Assembly of the eXIsting UnIon MR SPEAKER Clause 6O-Shrr Shan- terntory shall, on and from that day be the taram Nalk-not movtnq 65 Goa, Daman & DIU VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 66 Reorg B,II Amdt.) Bill MR SPEAKER The question IS from the economic and politICal Sides and "That Clauses 60 to 72 stand part It goes to the credit of not those hundreds, of the Bill .. but more than thousands of freedom fighters from all over India who rushed all the The motion was adopted way after we have achieved our own freedom to Bombay and then Maharashtra and Clause 60 to 72 were added to the BII/ also borders of Karnataka and then braved the worst possible lathl-charges, all out- First Schedule, Second Schedule, rages and In that way paved the way for the Clause 1, Enactmg Formula and the Title State action, of our Government led by were added to the B/I/ Shn Knshna Menon and supported by Pandlt Jawaharlal Nehru In such a herOIC manner 5 BUTA SINGH Sir, I beg to move MR SPEAKER The Question IS 'That the Bill. a5 amended. be passed .. "That the Bill, as amended, be passed " MR SPEAKER Motion moved The motion was adopted "That the Bill. as amended, be passed" MR SPEAKER Before I put the motIon for consideration to the vote of the House, PROF N G RANGA (Guntur) Sir In respect of Constitution Amendment BIll, before the Bill IS passed I want to say a few thiS being a Constitution Amendment Bill, words Now. on thiS happy occaSion, I \/otlng has to be done by D,v,sion Let the would like to repeat the homage that our lobbies be cleared fnends already paid to Pandlt Nehru, Shn Krishna Menon and several others and also all those Members of Parliament at MR SPEAKER Now the lobbies have that time who supported them In addition been cleared to that, I wish to pay my special homage to Ram Manohar Lohla who later on came to The Question IS be a Member of thiS House who made an appeal to whole of India to start an agita- "That the Bill further to amend tion for the freedom of the people of Goa the ConstitutIon of IndIa be taken and also tor the merger of that area with Into conSideratIon .. the rest of India Portugese Imperialism was one of the worst and persecuted our The Lok Sabha diVided people trom the religiOUS Side as well as AYES DIvision No. 41 [13.25 hrs. AbbaSI, Shn K J Ahmad, Shn Sarfaraz

Abdul Ghafoor, Shn Ahmed, Shnmatl Ablda

Adalkalaf)a, Shn L Akhtar Hasan, Shn

Ad I yoctl, Dr K G Alkha Ram, Shn

Agarwal, Shn Jat Prakash Anand Slngh,Shn 67 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution (57th 68 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill Ansari, Shri Abdul Hannan Blrendra Singh, Rao

Ansari, Shri Z. R. Birinder Singh, Shri

Antony, Shri P. A. Brahma Dutt, Shri

Arjun Singh, Shri Buta Singh, S.

Arunachalam, Shri M. Chandrakar, Shri Chandulal

Athithan, Shri R. Dhanuskodi Chandrasekhar, Shrimati M.

Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha Charles, Shri A.

Azad, Shri Ghulam Nabi Chaturvedi, Shri Naresh Chandra

Bairagi, Shri Balkavi Chaturvedi, Shrimati Vidyavati

Bairwa, Shri Banwari Lal Chaudhary, Shri Manphool Singh

Bajpai, Dr. Rajendra Kumari Chaudhary, Shri Kamal

Balaraman, Shri L Chavan, Shrimati Premalabai

Banerjee, Kumari Mamata Chavda, Shri Ishwarbhai K.

Barrow, Shri A. E. T. Chidambaram, Shri P.

Basavarajeswari, Shrimati Chinta Mohan, Dr.

Basavaraju, Shri G. S. Choudhari, Shrimati Usha

Bhagat, Shri B. R. Choudhary, Shri Nandlal

Bhagat, Shri H. K. L. Choudhury, Shn Samar Brahma

Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan Chowdhary, Shri Saifuddin

Bhandari, Shrimati D. K. Dabhi, Shri Ajitshinh

Bharat Singh, Shri Dalbir Singh, Ch.

Bhardwaj, Shri Parasram Dalbir Singh, Shri

Bhoopathy, Shri G. Dalwai, Shri Hussain

Bhosale, Shri Prataprao B. Damor, Shri Somjibhai

8hoye, Shri S. S. Dandavate, Prof. Madhu

Bhumij, Shri Haren Oas, Shri Anadi Charan

Birbai, Shri Des, Shri Bipin Pal 69 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21, 1900 & Constitution (57th 70 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill [)as Shri Sudarsan Guha, Dr. Phulrenu

Datta, Shri Arnal Gupta, Shri Janak Raj

Dennis, Shri N. Gupta, Shnmati Prabhawati

Dev, Shri Sontosh Mohan Halder, Prof. M.R.

Devi, Prof. Chandra Shanu Jaffar Sharief, Shri C.K.

Dhanwal, Shri Shanti Jagannath Prasad, Shri

Dhillon, Dr. G. S. Jatav, Shri Kamrnodilal

Digal, Shri Radhakanta Jayamohan, Shri A.

Dighe, Shri Sharad Jeevarathinam, Shri R.

Digvijay Sinh, Shri Jena, Shri Cnintamani

Dikshit, Shrimati Sheila Jhansi Lakshmi, Shrimati N.P.

Dinesh Singh, Shn Jitendra Prasada, Shri

Dogra, Shn G. L. Jitendra Smgh, Shri

Dongaonkar, Shn Sahebrao Patll Jujhar Singh, Shri

Dube, Shri Bhishma Oeo Kalpana Devi, Dr. T.

Engt!, Shn Blren Singh Kamble, Shri Arvind Tulshiram

Falelro, Shn Eduardo Kamla Kumari, Kumari

Gadgll. Shri V. N. Kaul, Shrimati Sheila

Gaekwad, Shn Ranjit Singh Kaushal, Shri Jagan Nath

Gamit, Shn C. D. Ken, Shri Lala Ram

Gandhi, Shn RaJlv Keyur Shushan, Shri

Gholap, Shri S. G. Khan. Shri Arif Mohammad

Ghorpade, Shri M. Y. Khan, Shri Aslam Sher

Ghosal, Shri Debl Khan, Shri Khurshid Alam

Ghosh, Shri Simal Kanti Khan, Shri Mohd. Ayub

Gomango, Shn Giridhar Khan. Shri Zulfiquar Ali

Gowda, Shri H. N. Nanie Khattri, Shri Nirrnal 71 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11,1987 & Constitution(p7th 72 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill Kidwai, Shrimati Mohsina Mishra, Shri G.S.

Kinder Lal, Shri Mishra, Dr. Prabhat Kumar

Kolandaivelu, Shri P. Mishra, Shri Ram Nagina

Konyak, Shri Chingwang Mishra, Shri Shripati

Krishna Kumar, Shri S. Mishra, Shri Umakant

Kshirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai Mishra, Shri Vijay Kumar

Kujur, Shri MaUl ice Misra, Shri Nityananda

Kunjambu, Shr: Modi, Shri Vishnu

Kuppuswamy, Shri C.K. Mohanty, Shri Brajamohan

Kurien Prof. P.J. Mukhopadhyay, Shri Ananda Gopal

Law, Shri Asutosh Murmu, Shri Sidha Lal

Lowang, Shri Wangpha Murthy, Shri M. V Chandrashekara

Madhuree Singh, Shrimati Murugaiah, Shri A. R.

Mahabir Prasad, Shn Muttemwar, Shn Vilas

Mahajan, Shri Y.S. Nalk, Shn Shantaram

Mahendra Singh, Shri Nalkar, Shn D. K.

Makwana, Shri Narsinh Narayanan, Shri K. R.

Mallick, Shri Lakshman Natarajan, Shri K. R.

Malviya, Shri Bapulal Natwar Singh, Shri K.

Mane, Shri Murlidhar Negi, Shri Chandra Mohan Singh

Mane, Shri R.S. Netam , Shn Arvmd

Manvendra Singh, Shri Odeyar, Shri Channaiah

Masudal Hossain, Shri Syed Pakeer Mohammed, Shri E. S. M. Mavanl, Shnmatl Patel Ramaben Pandey, Shri Madan Ramjibhal

Mehta, Shri Haroobhai Panigrahi, Shri Sriballav

Meira Kumar, Shrimati Panika, Shri Ram Pyare

Mirdha, Shri Ram Niwas Pant, Shri K. C. 73 Goa, Daman & D,u VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & ConstttutlOO (57th 74 Reorg S,/I Arndt) B,II Pardhl, Shn Keshaorao Ral, Shn I Rama

Paswan, Shn Ram Bhagat Ral, Shn Raj Kumar

Patel, Shn Ahmed M RaJeshwaran, Dr V

Patel, Shn C 0 RajU, Shn Vlj.ya Kumar

Patel Shrt G I Ram, Shrt Ram Ratan

Patel, Shn Ram PUjan Ram, Shn Ramswaroop

Patel, Shn U H Ram Bahadur Smgh, Shn

Pathak, Shn Chandra Klshore Ram Dhan, Shn

Patll, Shrt Balasaheb Vlkhe Ram Prakash, Ch

Patll, Shn Prakash V Ram Samujhawan, Shn

Patll, Shn Shlvraj V Ramachandran, Shn Mullappally

Pat", Shn Uttamrao Ramoowaha, Shn Balwant Smgh

Patll, Shn Vljay N Rampal Smgh, Shn

Patnalk, Shnmatl Jayantl Rana Vir Singh, Shn

Pattnalk, Shn Jagannath Ranga, Prof N G

Pawar Shn Satyanararn Ranganath Shn K H

Peru man , Dr P Vallal Rao, Shn A J V B Maheswara

Pilot, Shn RaJesh Rao Shn J Chokka

PooJary, Shn Janardhana Rao, Shn J Vengala

Potdukhe, Shn Shantaram Rao Shrr K S

Prabhu, Shn R Rao Shn P V I\Iaraslmha

Pradhan, Shn K N Rao, Shn Snhan

Pradham, Shn K Rath Shn Somnath

Purohit, Shn Banwarr Lal Rathod Shn Uttam

Purushothaman, Shn Vakkom Raut, Shn Bhala

F-'ushpa DeVI, Kuman Ravam, Shn NaVin

Qureshi, Shn Azaz Aeddl, Shrr C Madhav 75 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11,1987 & Constitution{57th 76 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Reddy, Shri Bazawada Papi Sidnal, Shn S. B.

Saha, Shri Gadadhar Slngaravadlvel, Shn S.

Sahi, Shrimati Krishna Singh, Shn Bhanu Pratap

Sahu, Shri Shiv Prasad Singh, Shn Kamla Prasad

Sait, Shri Azeez Singh, Shn Lal VIJay Pratap

Sakargaym, Shri Kalicharan Singh, Shn N Tombl

Sangma, Shrt P. A. Singh, Shn Santosh Kumar

Satyendra Chandra, Shri Sinha, Shn Atlsh Chandra

Sayeed, Shri P. M. St.nha, Shnmatl Klshon

Scindla, Shri Madhavrao Sinha, Shnmatl Ram Oulan

Sen, Shri Bholanath Sinha, Shn Satyendra Narayan

Sethi, Shri Ananta Prasad Somu, Shn N V N

Sethi, Shri P. C. Soren, Shn Hanhar

Shah, Shn Anoopchand SoundararaJan, Shn N

Sahabuddin, Shn Syed Soz, Prof Saltuddln

Shahl, Shn Laliteshwar Subburaman, Shn A G

Shallesh, Dr. B. L Sukh Ram, Shn

Shankaranand, Shri B. Sultanpun, Shn K D

Shanmugam, Shn P. Suman, Shn K P

Sharma, Shn Nand Kishore Sundarara), Shn N

Sharma, Shri NawaJ Klshore Surendra Pal Singh, Shn

Sharma, Shri Pratap Bhanu Swami Prasad Singh, Shn

Shastri, Shn Han Krishna Swamy, Shn 0 Narayana

Shervani, Shri Saleem I. Tapeshwar Singh, Shn

Shmgda, Shri D. B. Tanq Anwar, Shn

Shivendra Bahadur Singh, Shri Tewary, Prof K K

Siddiq, Shri Hafiz Mohd. Thakkar, Shnmatl Usha Goa, Daman & DIu n VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & Constrtut,on (57th 78 Reorg a,11 Amdt) a,II Thamb, Dural, Shn M Vanakar, Shn Punam Chand Mlthabhal

Thara Dev., Kuman 0 K Venkatesh, Dr V

Thomas, Prof K V V'Jayaraghavan, Shn V S

Thorat, Shn Bhausaheb Vir Sen, Shn

Thungon, Shn P K Vyas., Shn Glrdhan Lal

Tigga, Shn SImon Wasmk Shn Mukul

Tllakdhan Singh, Shn Yadav, Shn Ka.lash

Tlraky, Shrr PIYus Yadav Shn Mahablr Prasad

Tomar, Shnmatl Usha Ram Yadav Shn Shyam Lal

Trrpathl, Shrrmatl Chandra Yadav Shn Subhash

Tnpath., Dr Chandra Shekhar Yadav. Shn VIJoy Kumar

Tuls,ram, Shn V Yadava Shrl Bal Ram Smgh

Tytler, Shn Jagdlsh Yadava Shn 0 P

Va,rale, Shrr Madhu5udar. Yogesh Shn Yogeshwar Prasad

Van Shn Deep Naraln Zamul Basher, Shn

MR SPEAKER Subject to correction MR S?EAKER Clause 2 I thInk the the result" of the diVISion IS lobbies are already Cleared We can go ahead If the House agrees Ayes 310, Noes Nil The question IS The motion IS carned by a majority of the total membership of the Houc;e and by a maJonty of not less then two-thirds of the That clause 2 stand part of the BII' " members present and voting

The motion was adopted The Lok Sabha D,v,ded

AYES Division No.5] [13.28 hrs. AbbaSI, Shn K J Adalkalaraj Shn L

Abdul Ghafoor, Shrr Ad,yodl, Dr KG

• The followmg Members also recorded their votes for

AYES - Shrt Chlfan,. lal Sharma Shrt H B Pat.1 Shn G G Swell Shn Ram Singh Yadav Shn Natwarstnh Solank. Shnmatl Manemma AnJ.ah Shrt Ashok Chawan. Shn Oaf Chander Jam shn Katun Narayana Swamy and Shrt C Sambu 79 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution ~57th 80 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill Agarwal, Shri Jai Prakash Bhardwaj. Shri Parasram

Ahmad, Shri Sarlaraz Bhoopathy, Shri G.

Akhtar Hasan, Shri Bhosale, Shri Prataprao B.

Alhtar Hasan, Shri Bhoye, Shri S.S.

Alkha Ram, Shri Bhumij, Shri Haren

Anand Singh, Shri Birbal, Shri

Anjiah, Shrimati Manemma Blrendra Singh, Rao

Ansan, Shri Abdul Hannan Birinder Singh, Shri

Ansari, Shri Z.A. Brahma Dutt, Shri

Antony, Shri P.A. Buta Singh, S.

Arjun Singh, Shri Chandrakar, Shri Chandulal

Arunachalam, Shri M. Chandrasekhar, Shrimati M.

Athithan, Shri A. Dhanuskodi Charles, Shri A.

Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha Chaturvedi, Shri Naresh Chandra

Azad, Shri Ghulam Nabi Chaturvedi, Shrimatl Vidyavati

Bairagi, Shri Balkavi Chaudhary, Shri Manphool Singh

Bairwa. Shri Banwari Lal Chaudhry. Shri Kamal

Bajpai, Dr. Rajendra Kumari Chavan, Shrimati Premalabai

Balaraman, Shri L. Chavda. Shri lshwarbhai K.

Banerjee. Kumari Mamata Chidambaram. Shri P.

Barrow, Shri A.E.T. Chinta Mohan, Dr.

Basavarajeswari, Shrimati Choudhari, Shrimati Usha

Basavaraju. Shri G.S. Choudhary, Shri Nandlal

Bhagat. Shri B.A. Choudhury, Shri Samar Brahma

Bhagat. Shri H.K.L. Chowdhary. Shri Saifuddin

Bhakta. Shri Manoranjan Dabhi. Shri Ajitsinh

Bharat Singh. Shri Dalbir Singh, Ch. 81 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 82 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Dalbir Singh, Shri Ghosh, Shri Simal Kanti

Dalwai, Shri Hussain Gohil, Shri G.B.

Damor, Shri Somjibhai Gomango, Shri Giridhar

Dandavate, Prof. Madhu Gowda, Shri H.N. Nanje

Das, Shri Anadi Charan Guha,Dr. Phulrenu

Das, Shri Sipin Pal Gupta, Shri Janak Raj Gupta, Shrimati Prabhawati oas, Shri Sudarsan Halder, Prof. M.R. Dennis, Shri N. Jaffar Sharief, Shri .C.K. Dev, Shri Sontosh Mohan Jagannath Prasad, Shri

Devi, Prof. Chandra Bhanu Jain, Shri Dal Chander

Dhariwal, Shri Shanti Jatav, Shri Kammodilal

Dhillon, Dr. G.S. Jayamohan, Shri A.

oigal, Shri Radhakanta Jeevarathinam, Shri R. oighe, Shri Sharad Jena, $hri Chintamani Dikshit, Shrimati Sheila Dinesh Singh, Shri Jhansi lakshmi, Shrimati N.P.

Dogra, Shri G.L. Jitendra Prasada, Shri

Dongaonkar, Shn Sahebrao Patil Jitendra Singh, Shri

Dube, Shri Bhishma Oeo Jujhar Singh, Shri

Engti, Shri Siren Singh Kalpana Devi, Dr. T.

Faleiro, Shri Eduardo Kamble, Shri Arvind T ulshiram

Gadgil, Shri V.N. Kamla Kuman, Kumari

Gaekwad, Shri Ranjit Singh Kaul, Shrimati Sheila

Gamit, Shri C.o. Kaushal, $hri Jagan Nath

Gandhi, Shri Rajiv Ken, $hr; Lala Ram

Gholap, Shri S.G. Keyur Shushan, Shri

Ghorpade, Shri M. Y. Khan, Shri Arif Mohammad

Ghosal, Shri Debi Khan, Shri Aslam Sher 83 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution(57th 84 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Khan, Shri Khurshid Alam Masudal Hossain, Shri Syed

Khan, Shri Mohd. Ayub Mavani, Shrimati Patel Ramaben Ramjibhai Khan, Shri Zulfiquar Ali Mehta, Shri Haroobhai Khattri, Shri Nirmal Meira Kumar, Shrimati Kidwai, Shrimati Mohsina Mirdha, Shri Ram Niwas Kinder Lal, Shri Mishra, Shri G.S. Kolandaivelu, Shri P. Mishra, Dr. Prabhat Kumar Konyak, Shri Chingwang Mishra, Shn Ram Nagina Krishna Kumar, Shri S. Mishra, Shri Shripati Kshirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai Mishra, Shri Umakant Kuchan, Shri Gangadhar S. Mishra, Shri Vijay Kumar Kujur, Shri Maurice Misra, Shri Nityananda Kunjambu, Shri Modi, Shri Vishnu Kuppuswamy, Shri C.K. Mohanty, Shri Brajamohan Kurien, Prof. P.J. Mukhopadhyay, Shri Ananda Gopal Law, Shri Asutosh Murmu, Shri Sldha Lal Lowang, Shri Wangpha Murthy, Shri M.V. Chandrashekara Madhuree Singh Shrimati Murugaiah, Shri A.A. Mahabir Prasad, Shri Muttemwar, Shri Vilas Mahajan, Shri Y.S. Naik, Shri Shantaram Mahendra Singh, Shri Naikar, Shri O.K. Makwana, Shri Narsinh Narayanan, Shri K.A. Mallick, Shri Lakshman Natarajan, Shri K.A. Malviya, Shri Bapulal Natwar Singh, Shri K. Mane, Shri Murlidhar Negi, Shri Chand(a Mohan Singh Mane, Shri R.S.

Manvendra Singh. Shri Netam. Shri Arvind 85 Goa, Daman & Diu VAlSAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill Odeyar, Shri Channaiah Prabhu, Shri R

Pakeer Mohammed, Shri E.S.M. Pradhan, Shri K.N.

Pandey, Shn Madan Pradhani, Shri K.

Panigrahl, Shri SribaJlav Purohit, Shri Banwan Lal

Panika, Shri Ram Pyare Purushothaman, Shri Vakkom

Pant, Shn K.C. Pushpa Devi, Kumari

Pardhi, Shn Keshaorao Qureshi, Shri Aziz

Paswan, Shn Ram Bhagat Rai, Shri I. Rama

Patel, Shn Ahmed M. Rai, Shri Raj Kumar

Patel, Shri C.D. Rajeshwaran, Dr. V.

Patel, Shri G.!. Raju, Shri Vijaya Kumar

Patel, Shri Ram Pujan Ram, Shri Ram Ratan

Patel, Shn U.H. Ram, Shri Ramswaroop

Pathak, Shn Chandra Kishore Ram Bahadur Singh, Shri

Patil, Shn Balasaheb Vikhe Ram Dhan, Shri

Patll. Shn H.B. Ram Prakash, Ch.

Patll, Shn Prakash V. Ram Sarnujhawan, Shri

Patil, Shri Shivraj V. Ramachandran, Shri Mullappally

Patil, Shri Uttamrao RamoowaJia, Shri Balwant Singh

Patil, Shri Vijay N. Rampal Singh, Shri

Patnaik, Shrimati Jayanti Rana Vir Singh, Shri

Pattnaik, Shri Jagannath Ranga, Prof. N.G.

Pawar, Shri Satyanarain Ranganath, Shri K.H.

Peruman, Dr. P. Vallal Rao, Shri. A.J. V.B. Maheswara

Pilot, Shri Rajesh Rao, Shri J. Chokka

Poojary, Shri Janardhana Rao, Shri J. Vengala

Potdukhe, Shri Shantaram Rao, Shri K.S. 87 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11,1987 & Constitution(S7th 88 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill Rao, Shri P. V. Narasimha Sharma, Shri Nawal Kishore

Rao, Shri Srihari Sharma, Shri Pratap Bhanu

Rath, Shri Somnath Shastri, Shri Hari Krishna

Rathod, Shri Uttam Shervani, Shri Saleem I.

Taut, Shri Bhola Shingda, Shri O.B.

Ravani, Shri Navin Shivendra Bahadur Singh, Shri

Reddi, Shri C. Madhav Slddiq, Shn Hafiz Mohd.

Reddy, Shri Bezawada Papi Sidnal, Shri S.B.

Saha, Shri Gadadhar Singaravadivel, Shri S.

Sahi, Shrimati Krishna Singh, Shn Bhanu Pratap

Sahu, Shri Shiv Prasad Singh, Shri Kamla Prasad

Sait, Shri Azeez Singh, Shri Lal Vijay Pratap

Sakargaym, Shri Kalicharan Singh, Shri N. Tombl

Sangma, Shri P.fl.,. Singh, Shri Santosh Kumar Satyendra Chandra, Shri Sayeed, Shri P.M. Sinha, Shri Atish Chandra

Scindia, Shri Madhavrao Sinha, Shrimati Kishori

Sen, Shri Bholanath Sinna, Shrimati Ram Dulari

Sethi, Shri Ananta prasad Sinha, Shn Satyendra Narayan

Sethi, Shri P.C. Somu, Shri N. V.N.

Shah, Shri Anoopchand Soren, Shri Harihar

Snahabuddin, Shri Syed Soundararajan, Shri N.

Shahi, Shri Laliteshwar Soz, Prof. Saifuddin

Shailesh, Dr. B.L. Subburaman, Shri A.G.

Shankaranand, Shri B. Sukh Ram, Shri

Shanmugam, Shri P. Sultanpuri, Shri K.D.

Sharma, Shri Chiranji La, Suman, Shri R.P.

Sharma, Shri Nand Kishore Sundararaj, Shri N. 89 Goa, Daman & DIU VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & ConStitution (57th Reorg 811/ Arndt) Bill Surendra Pal Singh, Shn Valrale, Shn Madhusudan

Swami Prasad Singh, Shn Van, Shn Deep Naraln

Swell, Shn G G Vanakar, Shn Punam Chand Mlthabha. TapeShwar Singh, Shn

Tanq Anwar, Shn Venkatesh, Dr V

Tewary, Prot K K VIJayaraghavan Shn V S

Thakkar, Shnmat. Usha Vir Sen, Shn

Thambl Dural, Shn M Vyas Shn Glrdhan Lal

Thara Dell., Kuman 0 K Wasn.k Shn Mukul

Thomas, Prof K V Yadav, Shn Kallash

Thorat, Shn Bhausaheb Yadav Shn Mahab.r Prasad

Thungon, Shn P K Yadav. Shn Ram Singh Tlgga, Shn Simon Yadav. Shn Shyam Lal Tllakdhan Singh, Shn Tlraky, Shn PIYus Yadav. Shn Subhash

Tomar, Shnmatl Usha Rani Yadav. Shn VIJoy Kumar

Tnpathl, Shnmat. Chandra Yadava Shn Bal Ram Singh

Tnpathl, Dr Chandra Shekhar Yadava Shn D P

Tulslram, Shn V Yogesh Shn Yogeshwar Prasad

Tytler, Shn Jagdlsh Zalnul Basher, Shn

MR SPEAKER Subject to correction, Members present and voting the result * of the diVISion IS The motion was adopted

Ayes 313, Noes Nil Clause 2 was added to the BII' Clause 1 (Short ntle and Commencement) Now, here IS a clean sweep Amendment made Page 1, Line 3, The Motion IS earned by a maJonty of the for "Fifty-Seventh" substitute "Flfty- total membership of the House and by a Sixth" (1) majority of not tess then two-thirds of the (S Buta Smgh)

-The followmg m~bers also recorded thear votes (or A YES Shnmall Ablda Ahmed. Shn Nalwar Smgh Solankl. Shn DlgvlJay Smh. Shn Ashok Chavan. Shnmau D K Bhandari, Shn Amal Dalla. Shn Kalun Narayana Swamy and Shn C Sambu 91 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution ,,7th 92 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill MA. SPEAKER: Now, the Lobbies have "That clause 1, as amended, stand part been cleared. of the Bill."

The question is: The Lok Sabha divided.

AYES Division No.6] [13.30 hrs.

Abbasi, Shri K.J. Banerjee, Kumari Mamata

Abdul Ghafoor, Shri Barrow, Shn AE.T.

Adaikalaraj, Shri L. Basavarajeswari, Shrimati

Adiyodi, Dr. K.G. Basavaraju. Shri G.S.

Agarwal, Shri Jai Prakash Bhagat. Shri B.A.

Ahmad, Shri Sarfaraz Bhagat, Shri H.K.L.

Ahmed, Shrimati Abida Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan

Akhtar Hasan, Shri Bhandari, Shrimati D.K.

Alkha Ram, Shri Bharat Singh, Shri

Anand Singh, Shri Bhardwaj, Shri Parasram

Anjiah, Shrimati Manemma Bhoopathy, Shri G.

Ansari. Shri Abdul Hannan Bhosale. Shri Prataprao B.

Ansari, Shri Z. R. Bhoye, Shri S.S.

Antony, Shri P.A Bhumij, Shri Haren

Arjun Singh, Shri Birbal, Shn

Arunachalam. Shri M. Birendra Singh, Rao

Athithan, Shri R. Dhanuskodi Birinder Singh, Shri

Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha Buta Singh, S.

Azad, Shri Ghulam Nabi Chandrakar, Shri Chandulal

Bairagi, Shri Balkavi Chandrasekhar, Shrimati M.

Bairwa, Shri Banwari Lal Charles, Shri A

Bajpai, Dr. Rajendra Kumari Chaturvedi, Shri Naresh Chandra

Balaraman, Shri L Chaturvedi, Shr;mati Vidyavati 93 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 94 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Chaudhary, Shri Manphool Singh Dikshit, Shrimati Sheila

Chaudhry, Shri Kamal Dlnesh Singh Singh, Shri Chavan, Shrimati Premalabai Dlnesh Singh, Shri

Chavda, Shri Ishwarbhai K. Dongaonkar, Shri Sahebrao Patil Chidambaram, Shri P. Dube, Shri Bhlshma Deo Chinta Mohan, Dr. Engti, Shri Biren Singh

Choudhari. Shrimati Usha Faleiro, Shri Eduardo

Choudhury, Shri Samar Brahma Gadgil, Shn V.N.

Chowdhary, Shn Saifuddin Gaekwad, Shri Ranjit Singh

Dabhi, Shri AJ,tsmh Gam,t, Shri CD.

Dalbir Singh, Ch. Gandhi, Shri Rajiv

Dalbir Singh, Shri Gholap, Shn S.G.

Dalwai, Shri Hussain Ghorpade, Shri M.Y.

Damor, Shri Somjibhai Ghosal, Shn Deb,

Dandavate, Prot. Madhu Ghosh, Shri Bimal Kanti

Das, Shri Anadi Charan Ghosh, Shri Tarun Kanti Gohil, Shn G.B. Das, Shri Bipin Pal Gomango, Shri Giridhar Das, Shri Sudarsan Gowda, Shri H.N. Nanje Datta, Shri Amal Guha, Dr. Phulrenu

Dennis, Shri N. Gupta, Shri Janak Raj

Dev, Shri Sontosh Mohan Gupta, Shrimati Prabhawati

Dev;, Prof. Chandra Bhanu Jaffar Shariet, Shri C.K.

Dhatiwal, Shri Shanti Jagannath Prasad, Shri

Dhillon, Dr. G.S. Jain. Shri Dal Chander

Digal. Shri Radhakanta Jatav, Shri Kammodilal

Dighe, Shri Sharad Jayamohan, Shri A.

Digvijay Sinh, Shri Jeevarathinam, Shri R. 95 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution{57th 96 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill Jena, Shri Chintamani Kuppuswamy, Shri C.K.

Jhansi Lakshmi, Shrimati N.P. Kurien, Prof. P.J.

Jitendra Prasada, Sh ri Law, Shri Asutosh

Jitendra Singh, Shri Lowang, Shn Wangpha

Jujhar Singh, Shri Madhuree Singh, Shrimati

Katpana Devi, Dr. T. Mahabir Prasad, Shri

Kamble, Shri Arvind Tulshiram Mahajan, Shri Y.S.

Kamla Kumari, Kumari Mahendra Singh, Shri

Kaul, Shrimati Sheila Makwana, Shn Narslnh

Kaushal, Shri Jagan Nath Mallick, Shri Lakshman

Ken, Shri Lala Ram Malviya, Shri Bapulal

Keyur Shushan, Shri Mane, Shn Murlldhar

Khan, Shri Arif Mohammad Mane, Shri A.S.

Khan, Shri Aslam Sher Manvendra Singh, Shri

Khan, Shri Khurshid Alam Masudal Hossain, Shri Syed

Khan, Shri Mohd. Ayub Mavanl, Shrimati Patel Aamaben Ramji bhai Khan, Shri Zulfiquar Ali Mehta, Shn Haroobhai Khattri, Shri Nlrmal Meira Kumar, Shrimati Kidwai, Shnmati Mohsina Mlrdha, Shri Ram Niwas Kinder Lal, Shri Mishra, Shri G.S. Kolandaivelu, Shri P. Mishra, Dr. Prabhat Kumar Konyak Shri Chingwang

Krishna Kumar, Shri S. Mishra, Shri Ram Nagina

Kshirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai Mishra, Shri Shripati

Kuchan, Shri Gangadhar S. Mishra, Shri Umakant

Kujur, Shri Maunce Mishra, Shri Vijay Kumar

Kunjambu, Shri Misra, Shri Nityananda 97 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57tli 98 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Modi, Shri Vishnu Pathak, Shri Chandra Kishore

Mohanty, Shri Brajamohan Patil, Shri Balasaheb Vikhe

Mukhopadhyay, Shri Ananda Gopal Patil. Shri H.B.

Murmu, Shri Sidha Lal Patil, Shri Prakash V.

Murthy, Shri M.V. Chandrashekara Patil, Shri Shivraj V.

Murugaiah, Shri A.A. Patil, Shri Uttamrao

Muttemwar, Shri Vilas Patil, Shri Vijay N.

Naik, Shri Shantaram Patnaik, Shrimati Jayanti

Naikar, Shri D.K. Pattnaik, Shri Jagannath

Narayanan, Shri K.A. Pawar, Shri Satyanarain

Natarajan, Shri K.A. Peruman, Dr. P. Vallal

Natwar Singh, Shri K. Pilot, Shn Rajesh

Negi, Shri Chandra Mohan Singh Pooj ary , Shri Janardhana

Netam, Shri Arvind Potdukhe, Shri Shantaram

Odeyar, Shri Channaiah Prabhu, Shri R.

Pakeer Mohamed, Shri E.S.M. Pradhan, Shri K.N.

Pandey, Shri Madan Pradhani, Shri K.

Panigrahi, Shri Sriballav Purohit, Shri Banwari Lal

Panika, Shri Ram Pyare Purushothaman, Shri Vakkom

Pant, Shri K.C. Pushpa Devi, Kumari

Pardhi, Shri Keshaorao Qureshi, Shri Aziz

Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat Rai, Shri Raj Kumar

Patel, Shri Ahmed M. Rajeshwaran, Dr. V.

Patel, Shri C.D. Ram, Shri Ram Ratan

Patel, Shri G.I. Ram, Shri Ramswaroop

Patel, Shri Ram Pujan Ram Bahadur Singh, Shri

Patet, Shri U.H. Ram Dhan,Shri 99 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution(57th 100 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Ram Prakash, Ch. Scindia, Shri Madhavrao

Ram Samujhawan, Shri Sen, Shri Bholanath

Ramachandran, Shri Mullappally Sethi, Shri Ananta Prasad

Ramoowalia, Shri Balwant Singh Shah, Shri Anoopchand

Rampal Singh, Shri Shahabuddin, Shri Syed

Rana Vir Singh, Shri Shahi, Shri Laliteshwar

Ranga, Prof. N.G. Shailesh, Dr. B.L.

Ranganath, Shri K.H. Shankaranand, Shri B.

Rao, Shri A.J.V.B. Maheswara Shanmugam, Shri P.

Rao, Shri J. Chokka Sharma, Shri Chiranji Lal

Rai, Shri J. Vengala Sharma, Shri Nand Kishore

Rao, Shri K.S. Sharma, Shri Nawal Kishore

Rao, P.V. Narasimha Sharma, Shri Pratap Bhanu

Rao, Shri Srihari Shastri, Shri Hari Krishna

Rath, Shri Somnath Shervani, Shri Saleem I.

Rat hod , Shri Uttam Shingda, Shri D.B.

=laut, Shri Bhola Shivendra Bahadur Singh, Shri

Reddi, Shri C. Madhav Siddiq, Shri Hafiz Mohd.

Reddy, Shri Bezawada Papi Singaravadivel, Shri S.

Saha, Shri Gadadhar Singh, Shri Bhanu Pratap

Sahi, Shrimati Krishna Singh. Shri Kamla Prasad

Sahu, Shri Shiv Prasad Singh, Shri Lal Vijay Pratap

Sait , Shri Azeez Singh, Shri N. Tombi

Sakargaym, Shri Kalicharan Singh, Shri Santosh Kumar

Sangma, Shri P. A. Sinha, Shri Atish Chandra

Satyendra Chandra, Shri Sinha, Shrimati Kishori

Sayeed, Shri P.M. Sinha, Shrimati Ram Dulari 101 Goa, Daman & D,u VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & ConstitutIon (57th 102 Aeorg B,II Amdt) BII' Sinha, Shn Satyendra Narayan T.lakdhan Singh, Shn

Solankl, Shn Natavarslnh Tlraky, Shn PIYUS

Somu, Shn N V N Tomar, Shnmatl Usha Rani

Soren, Shn Hanhar Tnpathl, Shnmatl Chandra

SoundararaJan, Shn N Tnpathl, Dr Chandra Shekhar

Soz, Prof Sa.fuddln Tuls.ram, Shn V

Subburaman, Shn A G Tytler, Shn Jagd.sh

Sukh Ram, Shn Va.rale, Shn Madhusudan

Sultanpun, Shn K 0 Van, Shn Deep naram

Suman, Shn R P Vanakar, Shn Punam Chand M.thabha.

SundararaJ, Shn N V'Jayaraghavan, Shn V S

Surendra Pal Singh, Shn Vir Sen, Shn

Swami Prasad Singh, Shn Vyas, Shn G.rdhan Lal

Wasnlk, Shn Mukul Swamy Shn 0 Narayana Yadav, Shn Ka.lash Swell, Shn G G Yadav, Shn Mahablr prasad Tapeshwar Singh, Shn Yadav, Shn Ram Singh Tanq Anwar, Shn Yadav, Shn Shyam Lal Tewary, Prof K K Yadav, Shn Subhash Thakkar, Shnmat. Usha Yadav, Shn VIJoy Kumar Thamb. Dura., Shn M Yadava, Shn Bal Ram S.ngh Thara Dev., Kuman 0 K

Thomas, Prof K V Yadava, Shn 0 P

Yogesh, Shn Yogeshwar Prasad Thorat, Shn Bhausaheb

Thungon, Shn P K Zalnul Basher,Shn

Tlgga, Shn SImon 103 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11, 1987 & Constitution(S7th 104 Reorg. Bill Amdt.) Bill MA. SPEAKER: Subject to correction, SHRI S. BUTA SINGH: I beg to move: the result" of the division is: Ayes: 311; Noes: Nil "That the Bill. as amended, be passed."

The motion is carried by a majority of the MA. SPEAKER: The lobbies have, total Membership of the House and by a already been cleared. majority of not less than two thirds of the Me.... bers present and voting. The question is: The motion was adopted. That the Bill, as amended, be passed. Clause, as amended, was added to the Bill. The enacting formula and the Title were The Lok Sabha divided: added to the Bill

AYES Otvlsion No. 7] [13.33 hrs Abbasi, Shri K.J. Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha

Abdul Ghafoor, Shri Azad, Shri Ghulam Nabi

Adaikalaraj, Shri L. Bairagi, Shri Balkavi

Adiyodi, Dr. K. G. Bairwa, Shri Banwari Lal

Agarwal, Shri Jai Prakash Bajpai, Dr. Rajendra Kumari

Ahmad, Shri Sarfaraz Balaraman, Shri L.

Ahmed, Shrimati Abida Banerjee, Kumari Mamata

Akhtar Hasan, Shri Barrow, Sh ri A. E. T.

A1kha Ram, Shri Basavaraju, Shri G.S.

Anand Singh, Shri Bhagat, Shri B.A.

Anjiah, Shrimati Mannemma Bhagat. Shri H.K.L.

Ansari, Shri Abdual Hannan Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan

Ansari, Shri z.A. Bhandari, Shrimati O.K.

Antony, Shri P.A. Bharat Singh, Shri

Arjun Singh, Shri Bhardwaj, Shri Parasram

Arunachalam, Shri M. Bhoopathy, Shri G. Athithan, Shri R. Dhanuskodi Bhoaale, Shri Prataprao B.

"'Ib~ following Membns alw recordftl their VOles (or A YES:

Shn l. Rama Rai; Sbri P.C. Sethi; Prof. M.R. Halder; Shri Katuri Narayana Swamy; Shri C. Sam'bu and Dr. V. VnlUlesh. 105 Goa, Daman & DIU VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 106 Reorg a/1/ Amdt) a,l/ Bhoye. Shn S.S Oas, Shn Anadl Charan

BhumlJ, Shn Haren Oas, Shn Bipin Pal

Btrbal, Shn Oas, Shn Sudarsan

Btrendra Singh, Rao Datta, Shn Amal

Blnnder Singh, Shn Dennis, Shn N

Buta Singh, S Dev, Shn Sontosh Mohan

Chandrakar, Shn Chandulal DeVI, Prof Chandra Bhanu

Chandrasekhar, Shnmatl M Dhanwal, Shn Shantl

Charles, Shn A Dhillon, Dr G S

Chaturvedl, Shn Naresh Chandra Dlgal, Shn Radhakanta

Chaturvedl, Shnmatl Vldyavatl Dlghe, Shn Sharad

Chaudhary, Shn Manphool Singh DlgvlJaya Singh, Shn

Chaudhry, Shn Kamal D.kshlt, Shnmatl Sheila

Chavan, Shnmatl Premalabal Dlnesh Singh, Shrt

Chavda, Shn Ishwarbha. K Dogra Shn G L

Ch.dambaram Shn P Dongaonkar, Shn Sahebrao Patll

Chlnta Mohan, Dr Dube, Shn Bh.shma Deo

Choudhan Shnmat. Usha Engtl, Shrt SIren Singh

Choudhary, Shn Nandlal Falelro. Shn Eduardo

Gadgll. Shn V N Choudhury, Shn Samar Brahma

Gaekwad. Shn Aan,.t Singh Chowdhary, Shn Sa.fuddm

Gamlt, Shn C 0 Oabh., Shn AJltstnh

Gandhi, Shn RaJlv Oalblf Singh, Ch

Gholap, Shn S G Dalblr SIngh, Shn Ghorpade, Shn MY Dalwal, Shn Hussain

Damar, Shn SomJlbhal Ghosal. Shn Debl

Dandavate, Prof Madhu Ghosh, Shn 81mal Kantl 107 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11,1987 & Constitution(57th 108 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Ghosh, Shri Tarun Kanti Khan, Shri Aslam Sher

Gohil, Shri G.B. Khan, Shri Khurshid Alam

Gomango, Shri Giridhar Khan, Shri Mohd. Ayub

Gowda, Shri H.N. Nanje Khan, Shri ZulfiQuar Ali

Guha, Dr. Phulrenu Khattri, Shri Nirmal

Gupta, Shri Janak Raj Kidwai, Shrimati Mohsina

Gupta, Shrimati Prabhawati Kinder Lal, Shri

H~lder, Prot. M.A. Kolandaivelu, Shri P.

Jaffar Sharief, Shri C.K. Konyak, Shri Chingwang

Jagannath Prasad, Shri Krishna Kumar, Shri S.

Jain, Shri Dal Chander Kshirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai

Jatav, Shri Kammodilal Kuchan, Shri Gangadhar S.

Jayamohan, Shri A. Kujur, Shri Maurice

Jeevarathinam, Shri R Kunjambu, Shri

Jena, Shri Chintamani Kuppuswamy, Shri C.K.

Jhansi Lakshmi, Shrimati N.P. Kunen, Prof. P.J.

Jitendra Prasada, Shri Law, Shri Asutosh

Jitendra Singh, Shri Lowang, Shn Wangpha

Jujhar Singh, Shri Madhuree Singh, Shrimati

Kalpana Devi, Dr. T. Mahablr Prasad, Shri

Kamble, Shri Arvind Tulshiram MahaJan, Shri Y.S.

Kamla Kumari, Kumari Mahendra Singh, Shn

Kaul, Shrimati Sheila Makwana, Shri Narsmh

KaushaJ, Shri Jagan Nath Mallick, Shri Lakshman

Ken, Shri Lala Ram Malviya, Shri Bapulal

Keyur Bhushan, Shri Mane, Shri Murlitjhar

Khan, Shri Arif Mohammad Mane, Shri R.S. 109 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 110 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Manvendra Singh, Shri Netam, Shri Arvind

Masudal Hossain, Shri Syed Odeyar, Shn Channaiah

Mavani, Shrimati Patel Ramaben Pakeer Mohamed, Shri E.S.M. Ramjibhai Pandey, Sh ri Kal i Prasad Mehta, Shri Haroobhai Pandey, Shri Madan Meira Kumar, Shrimati Panigrahi, Shri Sriballav Mirdha, Shri Ram Niwas Panika, Shri Ram Pyare Mishra, Shri G.S. Pant, Shri K.C. Mishra, Dr. Prabhat Kumar Pardhi, Shri Keshaorao Mishra, Shri Ram Nagina Paswan, Shri Ram Shagat Mishra, Shri Shripati Patel, Shri Ahmed M. Mishra, Shri Umakant Patel, Shri C.O. Mishra, Shri Vijay Kumar Patel, Shri G.1.

Misra, Shri Nityananda Patel, Shri Ram Pujan

Modi, Shri Vishnu Patel, Shri U.H.

Mohanty, Shri Brajamohan Pathak, S~ri Chandra Kishore

Mukhopadhyay, Shri Ananda Gopal Patil, Shri Balasaheb Vikhe

Murmu, Shri Sidha Lal Patil, Shri H.B.

Murthy, Shri M.V. Chandrashekara Patti, Shri Prakash V.

Murugaiah, Shri A.R. Patil, Shri Shivraj V.

Muttemwar, Shri Vilas Patil, Shri Uttamrao

Naik, Shri Shantaram Patil, Shri Vijay N.

Naikar, Shri O.K. Patnaik, Shrimati Jayanti

Narayanan, Shri K.R. Pattnaik, Shri Jagannath

Natarajan, Shri K.R. Pawar, Shri Satyanarain

Natwar Singh, Shri K. Peruman, Dr. P. Vallal

~gi, Shri Chandra Mohan Singh Pilot, Shri Rajesh 111 Goa, Daman & Diu MAY 11,1987 & Constitution(57th 112 Amdt.) Bill Reorg. Bill Poojary, Shri Janardhana Rao. Shri J. Chokka

Potdukhe, Shri Shantaram Rao, Shri J. Vengala

Prabhu, Shri A. Rao. Shri K.S.

Pradhan, Shri K.N. Rao, Shri P.V. Narasimha

Pradham, Shri K. Rao, Shri Srihari

Purohit, Shri Banwari Lal Rath, Shri Somnath

Purushothaman, Shri Vakkom Rathod, Shri Uttam

Pushpa Devi, Kumari Raut, Shri Bhola

Qureshi, Shri AzIZ Reddi. Shri C. Madhav

Rai, Shri I. Rama Reddy, Shn Bezawada Papi

Rai, Shri Raj Kumar Saha, Shri Gadadhar Sahi. Shrimati Krishna Rajeshwaran, Dr. V. Sahu, Shri Shiv Prasad Raju, Shri Vijaya Kumar Sait, Shri Azeez Ram, Shri Ram Ratan Sakargaym. Shri Kalicharan Ram, Shri Ramswaroop Sangma, Shri P.A. Ram Bahadur Singh, Shri Satyendra Chandra, Shri Ram Dhan, Shri Sayeed. Shri P.M. Ram Prakash, Ch. Scindia, Shri Madhavrao Ram Samujhawan, Shri Sen, Shri Bholanath Ramachandran. Shri Mullappally Sethi, Sh ri Ananta Prasad Ramoowalia, Shri Balwant Singh Sethi, Shri P.C. Ram pal Singh. Shri Shah. Shri Anoopchand

Rana Vir Singh, Shri Shahabuddin, Shri Syed

Ranga. Prof. N.G. Shahi, Shri Laliteshwar

Ranganath, Shri K.H. Shailesh, Dr. BJL.

Rao, Shri A.J. V.B. Maheswara Shankaranand. Shri B. 113 Goa, Daman & Diu VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) & Constitution (57th 114 Reorg. Bill Arndt.) Bill Shanmugam, Shri P. Sukh Ram, Shri

Sharma, Shri Chiranji Lal Sultanpuri, Shri K.D.

Sharma, Shri Nand Kishore Suman, Shri R.P.

Sharma, Shri Nawal Kishore Sundararaj, Shri N.

Sharma, Shri Pratap Bhanu Surendra Pal Singh, Shri

Shastri, Shri Hari Krishna Swami Prasad singh, Shri

Shervani, Shri Saleem I. Swamy, Shri D. Narayana

Shingda, Shri D.S. Swell, Shri G.G.

Shivendra Bahadur Singh, Shn Tapeshwar Singh, Shri

Siddiq, ShriHafiz Mohd. Tariq Anwar, Shn

Sidnal, Shri S.B. Tewary, Prof. K.K.

Singaravadivel, Shn S. Thakkar, Shrimati Usha

Singh, Shri Bhanu Pratap Thambi Durai, Shri M.

Singh, Shri Kamla Prasad Thomas, Prof. K.V.

Singh, Shri Lal Vijay Pratap Thorat, Shri Bhausaheb

Singh, Shri N. Tombi Thungon, Shri P.K.

Singh, Shri Santosh Kumar Tigga, Shn Simon

Sinha, Shn Atish Chandra T,Iakdhari Singh, Shri

Sinha, Shrimati Kishori Tiraky, Shri P,yus

Sinha, Shrimati Ram Dulan Tomar, Shnmati Usha Rani

Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan Tnpathl, Dr. Chandra Shekhar

Solanki, Shn Natavarsinh Tulslram, Shn V.

Somu, Shri N.V.N. Tytler, Shri Jagdish

Soren, Shri Harihar Valrale, Shri Madhusudan

Soundararajan, Shri N. Van, Shri Deep Narain

Soz, Prof. Saifuddin Vanakar, Shri Punam Chand Mithabhai

Subburaman, Shri A.G. Venkatesh, Dr. V. 115 State of Arunachal MAY 11,1987 Pradesh (Amdt.) Bill 116

Vijayaraghavan, 5hri V.S. Yadav, Shri Shyam Lal

Vir Sen, Shri Yadav, Shri Subhash

Vyas, Shri Girdhari Lal Yadav, Shri Vijoy Kumar

Wasnik, Shri Mukul Yadava, Shri Bal Ram Singh

Yadav, Shri Kailash Yadava, Shri D.P.

Yadav, Shri Mahabir Prasad Yogesh, Shri Yogeshwar Prasad

Yadav, Shn Ram Singh Zainul Basher, Shri

MR. SPEAKER: Subject to correction, The Bill seeks to provide that the three the result"" of the division is: nominated Members of the Legislative Assembly of the erstwhile Union Territory Noes: Nil Ayes: 315 of Arunacha! Pradesh may also be The motion is carried by a majority of the included in the Provisional Legislative total membership of the House and by a Assembly under Section 11 of the State of majority of not less than two-thirds of the Arunachal Pradesh Act, 1986. members present and voting. The Bill, as amended, is passed by the requisite major- With the enactment of the State of Arun- ity in accordance with the provisions of achal Pradesh Act, 1986, Arunachal Pra- article 368 of the Constitution. desh has become the 24th State of the Union of India with effect from 20th Febru- The motion was adopted. ary, 1987. Under Section 11 of the State of 13.33 hrs. Arunachal Pradesh Act, the elected members of the territorial constituencies The Lok Sabha adjourned for Lunch till of the Union Territory of Arunachal Pra- thirty five minutes past Fourteen of the desh shall be the mem bers of the provi- clock. sional Legislative Assembly. This was the provision in that Act. The three nominated The Lok Sabha reassembled after Lunch members of the Union Territory Legisla- at forty minutes past Fourteen of the Clock ture were, however, excluded from the provisional Legislative Assembly of the State. [MR. DEPUTY- SPEAKER in the Chair) However, the Chief Minister of Arunachal [English) Pradesh wrote to us requesting for contin- uance of the three nominated members in the provisional Legislative Assembly on STATE OF ARUNACHAL PRADESH the ground that the three nominated (AMENDMENT) BILL members belong to the most backward THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (So tribes in the State. Since these members BUTA SINGH) : Sir, with your permission, I are no longer members of the provisional beg to move: Legislative Assembly of the new State of Arunachal Pradesh, this has caused a "That the Bill to amend the State to Arun- great discontentment among the back- achal Pradesh Act, 1986, be taken into ward tribes. They have requested thaf the consideration. " three nominated members may continue

·The following Members also recorded lheir VOles for A YES: Shrimali Basavarajeswari; Shri Ashok Chavan and Kumari D.K. Thera Devi. 117 State of Arunachal VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Pradesh (Arndt.) Bill 118

in the provisional Legislative Assembly Pradesh, as the Home Minister said, it is a along with tr.e elected members. The Bill simple Bill in the sense that a lacuna that seeks to provide con~inuance of these was not discovered at the time of our pass- three nominated members in the provi- ing the Arunachal Bill is sought, today, to sional Legislative Assembly. A clarificatory be corrected in allowing the three nomi- provision has also been inClude under nated Members to the Arunachal legisla- Section .11 of the Act that the elected tive Assembly to continue as Members of members of the Legislative Assembly of the Provisional Assembly. But, Sir, behind the Union Territory of Arunachal Pradesh this simplicity, I would point out to the shall be deemed to have been duly elected haste, the hurry, the absence of adequate for the Legislative Assembly of the State of knowledge and the ham-handed manner Arunachal PTadesh. with which the affairs of Arunachal and, for that matter, of any other area in the North The amendment to the Act will remove East are being handled here. I am not ques- the discontentment among the backward tioning the good intentions of the Home tribes to which the nominated members Minister or the good intentions of the belong. This amendment would also ena- Government, but they do not have thetime ble the three nominated members to con- to try to understand the problem. It is a little tinue to represent the interests of the surprising that when you drafted this Bill, weaker sections in the provisional Legisla- this matter did not occur to you, and soon tive Assembly. after this, you felt it necessary to come forward with an Amendment Bill which, I With these few words, I commend the think, is right and proper and which we Bill to this august House. shall support.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion mewed Having said that, the first question that arises is whether the principle of nomina- "That the Bill to amend the State tion should be maintained. We have the of Arunachal Pradesh Act. 1986, nomination here in our House, the nomina- be taken into consideration." tions that we give to the Angle-Indian community for certain special consideration- SHRI G.G. SWELL (Shillong): Mr. Dep- they are a part and parcel of our country, of uty Speaker, Sir, since this Bill, the State of our people, but they are so scattered all Arunachal Pradesh (Amendment) Bill, over the country that It IS not possible for comes as it does after we have passed the any member of the Anglo-Indian community Goa Statehood Bill, I think, it would be only as such to represent his community from right and proper for me to add a few words any particular constituency and that is why of congratulations and felicitations to the we have resorted to this device in the Con- people of Goa. The State of Goa, as you stitution. The same kind of principle had to know, is a beautiful and a very distinctive be followed in Arunachal. There are three part of our country, and their contribution nominated Members representing three to the country has been out of proportion most backward communities of that State to their population. I do not wish to go into who, otherwise, matters being as they are, details and to name too many names, but have no chance at all of getting representa- we know, for instance, that the person who tion or being heard in the State Legislative is central to the control of all the trouble in Assembly. They are, as far as I know, the Punjab today is a Goanese or a person of Pangi tribe with only 4,000 people, the Goan origin. It is indicative of the contribu- Sulong tribe with only 5,000 people and tion that these wonderful people who are the Hills Min tribe With about 7,000 peopte. part of our country have made to the whole These are nomadic people. They are pe0- of India. ple who have, I would say, still in the stage of food-gatherers and hunters, people with Now. coming to the Bill on Arunachal no visible occupation, who have not settled 119 State of Arunachal MAY 11, 1987 Pradesh (Arndt.) Bill 120

[Shri G.G. Swell] lower hills where you have the kind of Mediterranean and European climate and down anywhere; they move from place to down right at the foothills where you have place just to gather food from the forest or the tropical climate. to hunt the animals in the forest; sometimes they get occasional work, a kind of That is a vast area. It is difficult for people bonded labourers in the hands of a few rich to travel from different parts of Arunachal people to work in their land; after their to come to Itanagar and the people are work IS finished, they are turned out and diverse in language and tribal affinity. they are brought back again. This is the Therefore, the only thing that you can do in kind of situation, and they are dispersed all order to ensure that people like the Pan- over the State. It is only right and proper gis, the Solungs and the Hill Miris also have that we try to give representation and voice an adequate representation is to increase to these people. the number of seats In the Assembly to as many as 60 which in any case is laid down But I would like to draw the attention of as the minimum in the Constitution. It is the Home Minister to this. How long do unconstitutional, it is anamolous that in you go on in this manner? How long do one part of Constitution you say the you propose to keep on goi ng with th is number should not be less than 60 and yet kind of device of nomination and all that you say somewhere else the number sort of thing? Is it not more right and should not be more than 40. You have proper, more Constitutional, to so devise done that in the case of Mizoram. There- a set-up in Arunachal that every section of fore, I would appeal that you do away with the community will have the chance of these anomalies. Do it now or bring it being represented in the ordinary demo- another Bill later on in which you give the cratic course? Sir, I would like to remind people of Arunachal 60 seats and divide the Home Minister that, when the Arun- the constituencies in such a manner with achal Bill was discussed, I made it a very certain weightage to be given to certain strong point that the allocation of only 40 reserve seats. Even in Arunachal, it may be Members in the Arunachal State Legisla- necessary for you to declare certain tive Assmebly was just not adequate and seats in the Legislative Assembly as would not do justice to that part of our reserve seats for the most backward peer country ... pie like the Pangis, the Solungs and the Hill Mins. Only then you will be able to give PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE these people a voice, a feeling of being a (Rajapur) : Number 40 is likely to be misun- part of the State, a part of India. I would derstood, I think. urge the Home Minister to consider this very very seriously and come forward with SHRI G. G. SWELL: All right; not 420. a comprehensive Bill and do away with all these anomal ies. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I was referring to 'Alibaba' .... Lastly, Sir, we have to consider Arun- achal as a special case. It is today the fron- SHRI G. G. SWELL: According to Ali- tline State of India, frontline part of India baba, yes. (Interruptions) adjoining China where the Chinese even today are sitting in parts of that territory at Let me repeat that Arunachal is a vast Wangdong and Sundranchung valley. It is area, almost 84,000 sq. miles in area; it is necessary that the people of Arunachal larger than Assam; it is almost as big as should feel that they are part of India, a Assam and the rest of the other States in special part of India. Therefore. you should the North East, as big as that; it is a vast not stand on legal niceties but do some- and variegated area, right from the snowy thing satisfactory to the State and to the heights, almost Arctic climate, down to the people of Arunachal Pradesh. Thank you. 121 State of Arunachal VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Pradesh (Amdt.) Bill 122

SHRI P. K. THUNGON (Arunachal or five times to request for the introduction West): Sir, first of all, I would like to thank of those amendments also. Better late than the Prime Minister and the Home Minister never. I will not be feeling discouraged for bringing this amendment. I also would because I hope that the Han. Home Minis- like to congratulate the three MLAs, the ter will try to bring • forward those three nominated MLAs of Arunachal Pradesh amendments in the next session. and also our Chief Minister on whose recommendation an amendment has been To be more specific, the three amend- brought. Sir, but for this Bill three of our ments are-firstly, granting 60 seats nominated MLAs were going to be instead of 40 seats in view of the topogra- unseated who represent the most back- phical and geographical situation in ~run ward tribes in Arunachal. -ThiS is why, on achal Pradesh. This amendl'Tlent itself behalf of our MLAs and Qn behalf of these speaks how it is necessary to represent the tribes, I would like to thank the Prime Mini- people truly by bringing in more MLAs. ster and also the Home Minister for bring- The second amendment which I sought is ing in this amendment. a ConstItutional amendment giving protection of land and the religious and social This amendment vindicates the assu- practices etc., of the people of Arunachal rance of the Hon. Prime Minister on the Pradesh. These amendments will certainly floor of the House to the people of Arun- go a long way in protecting the interests of achal five months ago, while we were dis- Arunachal Pradesh and also as I said, cussing on the main Bill of the State of satisfy to the fuHest our aspirations. Arunachal. Such an amendment and such as augury from the Central Government You will see if you go through the list of certainly will go a long way in assuring the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes people and raising the morale of the peo- in Arunachal Pradesh that there are certain ple high and to satisfy the aspirations of very minor anomalies which can be cor- the people of Arunachal which is most rected very easily. For example, certain required, most important at this crucial derogatory names have been included juncture of time, where the Chinese have against certain names of our tribes. Adis intruded in Arunachal and the Chinese are have been called as Abors; Nishis have trying to demoralise the patriotic people of been called as Dafla and all the tribes of Arunachal and they are trying to sway our Tirap District have been called as Naga them in so many ways. That is why this is tribes. These are the anomalies which going to be a good sign on the part of Govt. should be corrected, so that the senti- of India and on the part of Centre to ments of our people are not hurt in this encourage the people of Arunachal and to way. carry on their struggle for development in Arunachal and for the unity and integrity of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please the country. conclude.

, would have been much happy, if , may SHRI P.K. THUNGON: Since you are say so, had the Home Minister brought not giving me time, J would like once again forward three more amendments which I to request the Home Minister through you had requested him during the course of to be kind enough to keep his promise and discussions in this August House on the bring those other three amendments also main Bill of giving Statehood to Arunachal in the next session. Pradesh in the month of December. But I am not very happy because the Han. S. BUTA SINGH: Mr. Deputy Speaker. Home Minister seems to have overlooked Sir, As I mentioned in my opening remarks, that request. He may kindly remember that the present proviSIon is only an enabling at the beginning of this session also I had one which will enable all the three spoken and also personalty met him four Members who were nominated in the 123 State of Arunachal MA Y 11, 1987 Khadi and ViiI. Ind. 124 Pradesh (Amdt.) Bill Comm. (Amdt.) Bill [So Buta Smgh] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question is: earstwhile Union Territory of Arunachal "That the Bill to amend the State Pradesh to continue as the Members of the of Arunachal Pradesh Act, 1986, Assembly of the new State of Arunachal Pradesh. be taken into consideration." The motion was adopted As has been mentioned by Shri Swell, they happen to belong to the most back- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now we will ward tribes in Arunachal Pradesh. By mak- take up caluse by clause consideration of ing this provision, the House will be fully the Bill. The question is: justified in giving representation to those three tribes VIZ., HIli Mlris, Solungs and "That Clause 2 stand part of the BiW' Pangls The motion was adopted.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (Bol- Clause 2 was added to the Bill. pur): The point is, why was it not done earlier. Why was it not included in the origi- Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the nal Bill? Title were added to the Bill.

S. BUTA SINGH: Sir, I beg to move: S. BUTA SINGH: At that time it provided only the elected members but now with "That the Bill be passed." this provision that lacunae will also be made up and the nominated members will MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question be fulfledged members of the Assembly. is:

"That the Bill be passed." Mr. Thungon has brought two other points. As far as the question of safeguard- The motion was adopted. ing the traditional rights and religious ceremonies of tribals is concerned I do not think there will be any difficulty because 15.05 hrs most of the things which Mr. Thungon has KHADI AND VILLAGE INDUSTRIES mentioned fall Within the purview of the COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL- State Assembly. The State A:asembly is fully competent to pass those laws. If Mr. Contd. Thungon thinks it fit to be passed by Parlia- ment we can pass the laws and give those [English] provisions to Arunachal Pradesh. I may tell MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now the Mr. Thungon in case the State Assembly House will take up further consideration of does not pass it, at an appropriate time we the following motion moved by Shri will pass those laws and make possible for M Arunachalam on the 8th _ May, 1987, the people of Arunachal Pradesh to feel namely:- satisfied.

As regards the question of increasing "That the Bill further to amend the number from forty to sixty since elec- the Khadi and Village Industries tions are due in 1988-89 before the elections Commission Act, 1956, as passed at an appropriate time this provision can by Rajya Sabha, be taken into also be thought of. With these words I com- consideration." mend that thiS House may pass the Bill. Shri C. Janga Reddy may speak. 125 Khadi and ViII. Ind. VAISAKHA 21. 1909 (SAKA) Cornrn. (Arndt.) Bill 126

[Translalion ] ious associations and societies are springing up. Many such societIes of the safety ·SHAI C. JANGA REDDY (Hanamkona) match manufacturers cobblers etc. are Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Khadi and Vil- coming up every day. Just 11 members lage Industries Commission is a rehabilita- join hands to form a society and make use tion Centre for Congress men. Khadi and of all the benefits and are thus earning Village Industries Board is one which pro- money. Crores of rupees are being mis- vides employment to Congressmen who used In Andhra Pradesh this way. Hence I are out of power. Sir, the Congress men appeal once to you to probe thoroughly are making use of the Board for their self- the activities of Khadi and Village Indus- ish ends by setting up various organisa- tries Board. Ex-Cabinet Ministers and the tions like Hyderabad Khadl Board. present Cabinet Ministers are Involved In Bhagyanagar Khadl Board. Warangal Khadl thIS. 'There is nobody to take actIon against Board and Mettupalli Khadi Board etc. them Initially it was one organIsation. then Whatever the nomenclature may be. the It has become two, and later on multiplied fact is that various Khadi Boards are into vanous organIsations. The employees springing up giving a chance to Congress- working In these organtsatlons are not men to earn money. In one such Khadl- being treated properly. Their salaries are Board a Cabinet Minister was a Chairman. not being paid regularly. They are being Rs. 12 lakhs were misappropriated In that subjected to vanous hardships. Hence the Board. So far no enquiry was made Into entire functioning of the Khadt Board this affair. So Khadi Board has become should be reviewed thoroughly. How s'J{nonymous with Congress. Even now many people were benefited by these people in the villages are of th~ opinion organisation. how much loan has been that Khadl Board IS run by Congress and extended to cobblers. potters and others that it is an organisation through whIch by these organisations has to be found out. Congress men can earn their livelihood. Now lakhs of rupees are being advanced to So, Sir, the time has come now to remove societies which are formed With eleven thiS ImpresSion In the minds of the people members only to get loans. Lakhs of So far. Khadi and Village CommiSSion has rupees are being advanced as loans on mainly been restricted to production of interest of 4% to 6%. But an ordinary many Khadi cloth. Now the scope of the Com- is not denvlng any benefit out of It. Hence mission has to be widened to by taking up the entire matter has to be thoroughly and encouraging various small scale and probed and it should be seen that t,Pe loans cottage industries. No doubt loans are serve the real purpose of helping the poor. being given to persons belonging to small Lakhs of rupees extended as loan are not trades. cobblers, carpenters and pot- reaching the poor and need. Hence these ters. We thought by lending a helping hand actiVities of these Boards or Societies to the persons who are engaged in these should be reViewed thoroughly vocations, the dreams of Mahatma will come true. We thought that the villages will become self sufficient and once again hum Some persons WIth the assIstance of with activity. But this hope has remained non-official Directors are trying to change illusory. For, the benefit has not really gone the very shape of the Khadl Board. Be it to these poor villagers. Instead, it is only Bhayganagar Khadi Board or Mettupalli the Congressmen who stood benefited by Khadi Board. Be It In Andhra Pradesh or it. I take this opportunity to.request you to Madhya Pradesh o~ Uttar Pradesh. the conduct an enquiry into the activities of situation is all the same. If the Govt. Khadi Board in Andhra Pradesh. The loans reviews the functioning of Khadi Boards in are being sanctioned. But payment of the country it would be clear that it could these loans remains only on paper. Var- not achieve much though it has spent a lot

• The speech was originally delivered in Telugu. 127 Khadi and ViII. Ind. MAY 11, 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 128

[Shn C. Janga Reddy] their trade. It helps in providing employment to these people. But you are not doing it. Just by helping them in buying a since Independence. Kindly review your few tools. You cannot make them stand on periormance once again. How much their own legs. What do you propose to do money you spent? How many people were in order to help them to stand on their own provided employment? How many people legs? Now a potter or a cobbler gets Rs. have received loans? Sir, various organisa- 500 as assistance. But is it sufficient tions are coming up only to recleve loans enough? No. It is an onerous task. It and grants from the Govt. These organisa- should be handled by the Govt. directly. It tions are not distributing this money is too gigantic a task to be handled by received from the Govt. among the poor. voluntary agencies. Sir, there is a need to Many Congressmen are involved in this put an end to corruption indulged In by sorry state of affairs. No enquiry has been vanous agencies. ThiS paltry amount of Rs. conducted so far. No effort has been made 500 is not suffiCient enough. Govt. should to set the things right. What IS the use of come forward to purchase the products of setting up more and more boards. Setting Khadi and Village industries. You should up of such boards is useful for rehabilitat- supply all the reqUired matenal and tools Ing certain Congressmen who have lost and then purchase the products later. their position. In no other way It is useful. I want to ask the Govt how far It nas suc- It is the best way of helping them. If you ceeded in providing employment to the use shoes of Bata brand, who will use the poor. I want to know how much employ- shoes made by a cobbler in the village. If ment has been provided to those who are you buy steel furniture who will buy engaged In handicrafts. Lepakshi is there wooden furniture? You owe an answer to in Andhra Pradesh. Nirmalls known for its this question. It is our responsibility to see paintings, wood craft and handicrafts. that the goods produced by Khadi and Vil- They have a lot at demand In foreign lage industries are used more and more. markets. Wooden and brass articles are The use of similar products manufactured very much popular everywhere. Whether by big industries has to be discouraged. you have made any efforts to encourage Matties, carpets and other articles used for these handicrafts. Old you make any decoration are produced in Warangal in attempt so fat for the promotion of handi- Andhra Pradesh. You have to give subsidy craft products in foreign markets? How on those articles also. It all needs a good much foreign exchange could you earn so amount of money. Instead of utilising the far. Many hon. Members have already money this way, the Govt. is spending stated that Khadi and Village Industries money on setting up Regional Offices over generate employment. Sir, the Khadi and which it has no control whatsoever. Setting Village Industries have a glorious past. up offices in major cities like Delhi and DUring freedom struggle they inspired to Bombay will not help a common man who fight against foreign domination and for- is engaged in village industries. These peo- eign dependence. They were the main ple are living a miserable life. They have no instrument in the fight against domination. money. Many of them are living below the Today, unfortunately the very same institu- poverty line. It is unfortunate that the insti- tions have become breeding grounds for tution which IS meant for these small arti- corruption. These institutions are now sans IS not prOViding to be helpful to them. engaged in misappropriation of money. At present the Khaai Boards are in the Now all this should come to an end. Help hands of a few persons who are running should be given to all the persons who are them according to their whims and fan- engaged in village industries. Encourage- cies. The time has come to reorganise the ment should be given to persons engaged entire structure. There is also a need to in village industries by giving them atleast enhance the amount of As. 500 which is 50 to 75% of the money they require for being given to the artisans at present. It has 129 Khadi and ViII. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Arndt.) Bill 130 to be enhanced to As. 5000/-. Not only that Village industnes are concerned. produc- the Govt. should come forward to pur- tion, sales as well as employment oppor- chase the handicrafts. There is a lot of for- tumties have been Increased. Khadi and eign market for these goods. Govt. should Village Industries Commission provides help them in procuring foreign orders. employment opportunities to lakhs of peo- Now tt":le Khadi Boards are exploiting the ple, to the poorest of the poor. to artisans, poor artisans. I ask the Govt. to provide an to those belonging to minority communi- account of the money that has been spent ties. backward classes, Scheduled Castes by these boards so far. I also want the Govt and Scheduled Tnbes and other down- to disclose as to what extent they have trodden sections of the society. So, from succeeded in generating employment. economic pOint of view also, the Khadi and Also I urge that the functioning of the Village Industnes form a very Important Khadi and Village Industnes Commission sector and greater emphaSIS has to be In Andhra Pradesh be probed. The condi- gl\:en for the promotion of thiS sector by tion of the employees in these organisa- more and more allotment of funds. tions is far from satisfactory. Sir, Khadi Board reminds us of Congress and Con- Our country IS an agricultural country gress reminds us of corruption. Once and about 70 per cent of our people again I request the Govt. to review the depend on agriculture. Secondly 36 per functioning of Khadi & Village Industries cent or our people live below the poverty Commission. At present thiS institution is Ime. Agriculture prOVides only seasonal not at all useful to the artisans. Corruption employment and people depending on In this organisation should come to an end. agriculture for their livelihood remain I vehemently oppose the Bill. unemployed for a conSiderable part of the year. The activities of the Khadl and Village [English] Industries Commission should be drawn up In such a way as to enable these per- SHAI N. DENNIS (Nagarcoil): Mr. Dep- sons who are hVlng below the poverty line uty Speaker Sir, I rise to support this Bill and who remam unemployed for a major and I Wish to make the following points. part of the year. get employment opportun- Ities. ThiS w:1I also help In redUCing rural The basic philosophy of Khadl and Vil- poverty to a great extent. lage industries and their promotion eman- ated from the ideas of the Father of the As far as the Bill IS concerned. It IS an Nation, Mahatma Gandhi as a part of our outcome of the report of the high-powered national struggle for Independence. expert committee. The expert committee Swadeshl Movement is the main economic studied various aspects of the functioning pnnciple for rural reconstruction. Gandhljl of the Khadl and Village Industries Com- strongly believed that there should be eco- miSSion and made certain recommenda- nomic activity In every household so as to tions. And thiS Bill IS an outcome of those ensure proper livelihood to every family. recommendations. The Intention of the Bill Gandhiji's intention was to provide IS to promote and develop the Khadl and employment at the doorstep by setting up Village Industries. With thiS view, changes small industries at nearby places which are made in the structural organtsation of would provide opportunities for both self- the Khadl and Village Industries Commis- employment as well as for creating more sion. The strength of the members of the and more jobs. Thus, he was very keen on Commission has been Increased from 5 to creating self-employment opportunities to '2 and the term of the members has been unemployed persons. mcreased from three to five years. Moreover, emphasiS IS now given to pro- Today we have to promote Khadl and mote and establish Industries in rural Village industries with that spirit and such a areas, where 70 per cent of our population feeling of dedication. As far as Khadi and lives. Keeping in view the changing times 131 Khadi and Viii. Ind. MAY 11, 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 132

[Shri N. Dennis} workers and women should be there in the Commission. and the changing face of our industries, when more and more new industries are In Clauses 5 and SA, it is stated coming up, all those industries whose "functions of the Chief Executive Officer investment does not exceed Rs. 15,000 are and the Financial Adviser should be included as village industries. This will, no defined." That is a welcome sign. There is a doubt, accommodate many new indus- demarcation of their functions. It would tries. Also, common service facilities are help in avoiding the duplication of worK introduced for the effective functioning of and smooth functioning of the the Commission. Commission.

With regard to the amendment of Sec- In the Act, the function of the Chairman tion 2 of the principai Act, I want to men- is not clearly defined. Because.of this, the tion one pOint. Clause 2(h) limits the Chairman would become a powerless investment at Rs. 15,0001-. I would like to man. In the Act itself, it is stated that "Chief suggest that it is not adequate in view of Executive Officer should execute the mat- the cost escalation in materials and other ter under the control and direction of the inputs. This amount of Rs. 15,000 is mea- Chairman." Apart from this function, the gre and I strongly feel that this limit must only other function is that. he has to pre- be enhanced for setting up viable units and side over the meetings. These are two mat- also to provide more employment ters specified in the Act. regarding the opportunities. Chairman. I would say that the functions of the Chairman ought to have been Regarding Amendment to Clause 4 of explained. the Bill, the membership of the Commis- sion has been increased from 12 in place of 5. The intention is to give wider representa- Regarding Clauses 11, 12 and 13, i.e. tion and also to give regional or geographi- amendments to Sections 18, 19 and 12 of cal representation. I would like to say that the Pnnclpal Act. I Wish to suggest that mere increasing the number of Members there need not be three separate Budgets, will not solve the problem. The men of but there can three separate parts. These expert knowledge and experience should parts can be clubbed Into only one part. be appointed. In the Bill, it is stated under Clause 4 "that only four persons with Regarding Clause 15, I.e. Amendment to expert knowledge and experience should Section 27 of the Principal Act-creation. of be appointed." I would like to suggest two a common service facility-I would say, It points here. Firstly, all persons should IS a welcome feature in the Bill. It is a wel- have expert knowledge and experience come step. ThiS would enable redressal of and also these four persons with mere grievances of the employees. They have expert knowledge alone is not adequate. been demandmg it for a long time. In thiS Theoretical knowledge has to be trans- connection, I would like to say that the lated into action during the implementa- persons who are coming from the rural tion of.this Act. They should be committed areas should be given training and the~' to the Khadi and Village industries. also should be given employment opportunities. Secondly, all the persons should have expert knowledge and experience. I would Regarding Clause 7, I would like to like to suggest here, more than that, suggest-a substitution of Section 13 of representation should be given to all the the Principal Act-that the duration which States, i.e. at least the Chairmen of Boards IS extended from three years to five years, It of the States should be represented. would be better, if the original system Moreover, the representative of the would have been better. 133 Khadi and Viii. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Arndt.) Bill 134

I would like to mention one or two points these functions should be defined clearly. here. Special efforts should be taken for The definition of a village industry IS that the promotion and growth of Khadi and the per capita investment would be limited Village industries. Provision should be to As. 15,000. I suggest that thiS should be made for the research and development of Increased to As. 25,000. The term of office this sector. of members IS now fixed as five years; this should be reduced to three years. The rea- There IS the problem of markets, and stiff son IS that the members may otherwise competition from the mill and other sec- develop a vested interest, and there may be tors. I would ask for greater protection, for the possibility of some errors. So, their the survival and growth of thiS industry. term should be reduced. Allotments now made are not adequate. A higher allotment should be made. Gandhijl had said: 'India lives only In its villages'. In other words, the economy of Exemption should be given In the matter the villages represents the real economy of of income tax, sales tax and such other the country. So, If the economy of the levies. Full assistance has to be given to country has to be developed, the economy various institutions working in rural areas. of the villages should be developed. The Khadi and Village Industries Commis- Farmers, agriculturists, agricultural sion Act should be applied in every nook labourers, artisans and unorganized and corner of the country. Every block labourers are liVing only In the villages. should have a unit. Agriculture is a seasonal profession. This IS a labour-onented sector. The During droughts, there IS no work at all intention is to uplift the rural population, available. So, people should be given and improve their economic conditIOn. So, employment opportuntties. For this pur- proper attention should be given to greater pose, it is necessary to develop cottage allotment and protection. The quality of and village industnes. In every village, articles prodUCed by the Khadi and Village there should be such an Industry, and it industries should also be improved. should give employment to these workers and farmers. Otherwise, their On an earlier occasion also I had economy will be completely shattered. brought this to the notice of the Minister: Since the introduction of Prohibition in During the last 40 years we are going Tamil Nadu, several tappers are there With- away from Gandhiji's pnnclple of self- out work. The palmyra tapping Industry reliance. Self-reliance is of primary Impor- should be encouraged through a tance, but we are not working towards it. corporation. Gandhiji had relied upon the Swadeshi movement. He had started the Swadeshi The honey industry should also be deve- movement. He boycotted British and other loped. A Honey Development Board has to foreign goods, but we are importing for- be constituted. With these words, I support eign things. We are not developing the Bill. Swadeshi.

SHRI K. R. NATAAAJAN (Dindigul) : On That is the reason why our economy has behalf of AIADMK, I rise to support the not been developed. People in the villages Khadi and Village Industries Commission are either unemployed or under employed. (Amendment) Act. I would like to speak a So, some industry should be established in few words on this Bill. each and every village so that people can get employment. Clause 9(2) (a) to (1) with the functions of the Commission. The objectiVes Now-a-days, a watch making industry mentioned in the Bill are very laudable. But and even sophisticated goods industry 135 Khadi and Viii. Ind. MAY 11, 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill. 136

[Shri K.R. Natarajan] doubt, it will be more representative in character, but if you take one member from each State in the Khadl Commission, have become the cottage industry in Swit- then it will be more representative in char- zerland and Japan. These examples acter and It will serve the whole purpose of should be followed in India also. We can this Bill. start making watches, electronic .goods and other goods in our villages by the khadi industry. The South-East countries Side by side. all the persons who will be are developing their village economy in taken as members in the Khadi Commis- this way; that is why there is no unemploy- sion, they should have some knowledge ment. We have to follow the principles they about the rural economy, village industry, adopt in their countries to remove unem- khadi industry and also first-hand knowl- ployment. Then we can slowly eliminate edge about rural economy. Especially they unemployment or under employment. should be persons coming from the rural Thank you. areas. They should be inhabitants of rural areas. Side by side, it has been provided in SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA (Balasore): the Bill that the Chairman will be a whole- Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I rise to support time member and the other members are the Bill to amend the Khadl and Village not whole-timers. What I feel is that if all the Commission (Amendment) Bill 1986. members of the Commission are whole- timers then they can provide more lime to We know that the khadi and village improve not only this Khadi Commission industry adds to our natIonal Income. Not but also the movement of Khadl and Village only that, In our freedom movement, the Industnes In the country. charkha was the symbol which had been introduced by the Father of the Nation, I must congratulate the hon. MinIster Mahatma Gnadhi. In this connection. I that the main aim of thiS Bill IS to prOVide would like to suggest some amendments employment to the rural masses. I would for incorporation in this Bill. In case It is not request the hon. Minister that, the three possible to bring them in this session. then funds now prOVided In the Bill, namely. the I would like to request the hon. Minister to Khadl fund. the Village Industnes fund and bring them in the next session to make It a the general and miscellaneous fund may full Ifledged Bill so that not only our rural be merged and made Into only one fund economy will be strengthened but-or since the Object IS mainly to proVide with my humble suggestions. If it IS employment. amended-It will make the rural peopJe self- suffiCient and will also provide employ- BeSides. I would request that. since thiS ment to the rural mass especially to the Bill IS meant truly to eradicate poverty In rural woman folk, who are consisting of 50 the society, the Government may thlJJ4 of per cent of the total population of thiS haVing the Village Industries Jncluded In country. the hlstonc 2D-Polnt Programme of our late Pnme Minister Shnmatl Indira Gandhi In this Bill, the hon. Mlntster has sug- and whIch has also been geared up to the gested that the entIre country will be maxImum extent by the present Prime Min- divided into six geographical zones. and ister Shri RaJlvji. from each zone some members will be taken in the Khadi Commission. I would Since this BIll intends to strengthen the like to suggest that without making it a economy of the weaker sections it is really geographical zone, let one member be a matter of great concern to all of us that taken from each of the Khadi Board of the the popularity of Khadi is decreasing day State. In this Bill. there is a provision to by day and the reasons for thIS should be provide 12 members for the Khadi Com- found out and action should be taken to mission. Previously, it was from 3 to 5. No counter this decreasing popularity and 137 Khadi and Viii. Ind. VAlSAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) Comrn. (Arndt.) Bill 138 also to see that it is more and more [Translation] popularised. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN In this connection, I would like to sug- (Barmer) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to gest two paints. It may be due to ad- support Khadi and Village Industries Com- mixture and mixing of other yarns like mission (Amendment) Bill, 1987. The mill-yarn and also polyester yarn with this objectives of the bill are praiseworthy and I Kha1di cloth. So, this may be one reason. support them also. Another reason may be that our Govern- ment is giving more and more encourage- If we cast a glance on the history of the ment to mills. This should be thought over freedom struggle, we will find that very seriously so that the Khadi and Village Mahatma Gandhi had adopted non- Industries may be more popular and Khadi violence and Khadi during those struggle IS used by the general masses. days and the foreign goods were boycotted and consigned to fire so as to inspire Besides the hand-spun and hand-woven the people to use Khadl. clothes are most popular, and are In great demand In Western countnes and other Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Khadi and advanced countries also. Efforts should be Villages Industries Commission Act, was made to make them more and more popu- passed in 1956 and subsequently amend- lar so that it will also be a great foreign ments were carried out in It. In this connec- exchange earner and thus give a boost to tion, I would like to say that clause 4 our foreign exchange earnings and provides for 6 non-official members who national economy. are taken on the baSIS of geographical zones. There are large zones and each Now what IS happening is that in many of zone covers many states. For example, the Khadl Boards in the States there are Maharashtra zone or Rajasthan zone cov- some Government officers who are con- ers many states. Instead of taking one nected with the running of those Boards. I member from each zone. one representa- would request that there should not be any tive from each State should be taken so official to head those Khadl Boards, from that every State is represented in it. Sup- now onwards. I am very sorry to say that the pose, no representative is taken from Raj- Ramakrishna Committee Report has not asthan In the six members who are taken been thoroughly studied when this Bill was from different zones. This wilt create pro~ drafted by which many relevant sugges- lem for Rajasthan because famine occurs tions given by the Ramaknshnaya Com- in that State and Khadi plays an important mittee were not Included in this Bill. Those role in such difficult times. The woollen suggestions should be taken into Khadi of Barmer and Jaise'mer is very fam- consideration. ous but if we have no representative of our State in the panel we will not be able to 46 per cent of the total employees in the plead in the Khadi Commission and thus khadi and village industries are women- we will not be benefited. Therefore, there folk. But their condition is so miserable should be a representative of each State in and they are so poverty striken that the it. Government should see that these women- folk should be paid sufficient wages ... In this connection, I have collected some information. According to the figures, as MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please many as 14 lakh persons are employed in resume your seat. There is not much time khadi industry and as many as 26 lakh per- left. The Minister also has to reply. sons are employed in village industries. If we compare them with other industries, we SHAI CHINTAMANI JENA: With these will find that as against the investment in words I support the Bill. the other industries, it is only 1 per cent in 139 Khadi and Viii. Ind. MAY 11, 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 140

[Shri Virdhi Chander Jain) country is produced in Sarmer and Jai- sal mer areas. I nereTore, mere IS a need to develop these areas. There is a great the khadi and village industries whereas explOitation of workers engaged in khadi the employment opportunities in them are production. I have submitted amendments 200 percent mo(e than the other industries. on this and I will speak later in this connec- This is the distinct feature of the khadi and tion. Those women who do spinning for 7 village industries. In big industries crores to 8 hours get only As. 4 to As. 5. In this of rupees are invested but the number of way, they are being exploited. On the one workers employed in them is quite less. hand, the khadi cloth is becoming costly But in the case of khadi and village indus- and on the other, the workers are being tries, the investment is meagre whereas the e)(ploited. Mahatma Gandhi and the Con- number of workers employed in them is gress adopted khadi. It has been the rule in more. You have made a proviSion of Rs. 60 the Congress Party till now that the active crores during 1986-87 to promote this pro- members of the party will wear khadi. I am gramme. But this amount is not sufficient. pained when I see that the Ministers as well If you want to expand khadi industry, you as the Congress Members of Lok Sabha will have to invest at least three times more. and Aajya Sabha do not wear khadi. If they Besides, you should chalk out a plan for follow the philosophy of Mahatma Gandhi, provision of employment to 1 crore 20lakh they should invariably wear khadi. If they workers against the present number of 40 do not wear khadi, they should be expelled Jakh workers. Alongwith the production of from the Congress. The Congress Party khadi the question of creating the market must take action against such Members, also arises. In this connection you have set because it is essential to wear khadi in the out very laudable functions. You have Congress Party. Similar is the rule In the made provision for training so that one can Janata Party. When Morarji Desai became acquire full knowledgt: of different khadi Prime Minister, he laid stress on wearing designs and can also modernise the system khadi. If we use khadi, it will be produced and develop it fully. In this way khadi can more. At present, no department follows also be exported. There is a great scope for the rules which have been formulated for developing woollen khadi in Barmer and them. Only the class IV employees wear Jaisalmer districts. At present, our State is khadi and none else. The high ranking going through a great crisis. Sarmer, Jai- officers as well as the office bearers of the sal mer and other areas of Rajasthan have Congress Party do not wear khadi. There- been in the grip of famine for 12 years out fore, it is very essential to propagate and of the last 15 years. We do not want tem- expand the use of khadi. We should con- porary famine relief and employment tinue the practice of wearing khadi intro- opportunities of which there is no cer- duced by Mahatma Gandhi. By wearing tainty. The programme of woollen khadi in khadi we can make our life sublime and Barmer and Jaisalmer districts can prove to can lead a simple life. The polyster khadi is be of great help. You have chalked out proving death knell for the khadi. The use scheme in regard to famine and drought of polyster in khadi should not be allowed. prone areas, particularly for Bijapur in Kar- This philosophy of polyster is wrong. nataka, Rae Bareli in u.P., Ramnad in Tamil- Action should be taken against those per- nadli and for Punjab. Barmer and sons who are using artificial khadi. Such Jaisalmer districts should be included in members should be appointed Directors in the Seventh Five Year Plan for the develop- the Commission who are committed to ment of woollen khadi. Besides, there is a khadi, who wear khadi and who know spin- need to develop breeds of sheep. The ning on the 'Charkha.' At present, such a Sheep Breeding Department should be situation has developed in which people asked to improve the breeds. Our breeds have lost faith in Khadi. This tendency are sent to Australia and we like Australian should be checked. Faith in khadi should wool. Forty percent of the wool in the be knidled among them. 141 Khadi and ViII. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 142

[English] Mr. Speaker, Sir,l rise to support the Khadi and Village Industries Commission SHRI P. KOLANOAIVELU (Gobichetti- (Amendment) Bill, 1987. I would like to palayan): I understand that there is a big remind that Mahatma Gandhi, who had list of speakers on this Bill. You promised launched the struggle for freedom, had to take up the Sn Lankan issue by 4 also simultaneously launched khadi move- O·Clock. Are you taking up the issue or not? ment. Gandhiji had started this movement from those backward villages and towns MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER. Around 4 where he noticed that under the enslaved O'Clock we will take it up. life most of the people in India had no clothes to wear. He associated 'Charkha' PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): We are movement with freedom movement and prolonging it far too iong. We should spare Inspired Indians to spin and weave khadi more time for discussing Sn Lankan issue. so that those people who have no clothes We should take up Sri Lankan issue. on their body or wear tattered ones, could be prOVided Indigenously made clothes. 40 MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We will give years have elapsed Since we aChieved sufficient time for discussing Sn Lankan Independence-but even to-day we find Issue. that we have not been able to make as much progress in khadl as in the other SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: After thiS Bill fields. GandhiJI had made the khadi move- you Will take up Sri Lankan Issue. ment a part and parcel of the freedom struggle so that people living in the villages MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Yes, yes, after could be prOVided employment there itself, finishing thiS, we will take up Sri Lankan khadl may become a means of their liveli- Issue. hood, It may get expansion and publicity through them. It IS also an indisputable fact SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU I suppose, that before independence, even a needle on this Bill there are speakers upto 6 was not being manufactured In India. All O·Clock. commodities used to be imported from abroad. Our entire industrial system was in MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No, no. not doldrums dunng pre-independence upto that We will fimsh it penod. After Independence we have made progress in every field, but when we com- (Interruptions) pare the achievements in khadi vis-a-vis other fields it becomes very distressing for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE us because we have been lagging behind MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS In the khadl movement which was asso- (SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH): By which Ciated With the freedom struggle by time you will take up Sri Lankan issue? Mahatma Gandhi. I congratulate the Government for this Amendment Bill. As MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Around 4.30. has been mentioned in this Bill, other industries alongwith Khadi and Village SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY Industries can also be brought un'der its (Puri): Please, do not allow them to speak purview in towns having a population upto on this Bill who do not wear khadi. 10,000 and you bave changed their names also along with khadi. Not only that. you MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Manven- will Induct 6 members having experience dra Singh. In khadi and village industries who will represent 6 geographical zones of the (Translation J country. Their experiences will be utilised. It IS also a commendable step. The reason SHRI MANVENDRA SINGH (Mathura): is that the bureaucrats sittin~ in the 143 Khadl and VIII. Ind. MAY 11,1987 Comm. (Amdt.) a,1I 144

[Shn Manvendra Singh J sequently and about 50 lakh (48+2) peopte may get employment Within two years Government do not realise the Importance of khadl They are also Ignorant of the With these words I support thiS BIll and reqUirements In respect of khadl and vil- express my thanks to you lage industries of the people living In the villages Due to thiS the people liVing In the 16.00 hrs. villages do not get ItS benefits, which they otherwise ought to get GandhlJI had visua- [English] lised that the village people may get strong base through khadl but we have not been SHRI SALAHUDDIN (Godda) Mr Dep- able to fulfil It uty Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Khadl and Village Industrtes Commission Alongwlth It, thiS amendment IS also wef- (Amendment) Bill, 1987 corned for the reason that you have com- bined handicraft products With khadl and [Trans/atlon] Village industries We find that our handicraft art IS gradually declining In the Vil- Sir, the Amendment Bill Will be consI- lages What IS, therefore reqUired IS to dered as a revolutionary step to boost the make efforts to promote handicrafts khadl Industry The Khadl Industries and through khadl and Village Industries so Village Industrtes used to have very close that our people liVing In the Villages may connection With the economic develop- get more and more employment There ment of India History IS the witness that In should be training centres of khadl and the olden days also people In England Village Industnes In every Village In which used to buy khadl on marriage occasions women, children and men may receive and felt very proud to wear It In thiS training In these centres and establish their respect muslin produced In Dhaka was own Industries, may produce khadl and also a type of Indian khadl India has other handicraft goods Their goods may always been proud of khadl come to the markets and their liVing stand- ard may nse I also suggest that they may India IS a country of the Villages and 80 be encouraged to produce such goods per cent of ItS population lives In the Vil- which we may send abroad and earn for- lages and depends on agnculture People eign exchange I remember that the then undertake farming for 5 months In a year Deputy Chairman of Khadl and Village and Sit Idle dunng the remaining 7 months Industnes, Acharya Laxml Reman was It IS the main objective of the Khad, and WIth us dUring the election work He had Village Industries that the farmers who Sit placed a draft plan before us He had sug- Idle for 7 months In the Villages may be gested a scheme for the rickshaw pullers In provided Industnes In the Villages Itself so the election meetings According to the that they may get work for 7 months and scheme, the rickshaw pullers would Increase their earnings On the one hand acquire the ownership of the rickshaws our farmers are artisans and craftsmen and they are pulling WIthin two years These on the other hand, they undertake farming rickshaws Will be prOVided to 48 lakh peo- HIstory shows that people In the royal ple Within 2 years and about 2 lakh people courts used to wear khadl made by our wlll get employment In ItS ancIllary Indus- artIsans They used to give handsome tries Through thIS august House, I would rewards to them but With the end of the like to request the han Mlntster that he royal courts In India, our artIsans started may Implement thiS scheme through starving The artIfacts of the artisans of the which the rickshaw pullers who earn their VIllages used to be presented In the royal livelihood With hard labour and great diffi- courts Therefore, as soon as the royal culty may be prOVided With rickshaws, of courts ~Isappeared, there was f"lobody to whICh they may become the owners sub- take care of these artisans and they 145 Khadi and ViII. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Arndt.) Bill 146

became paupers. With the setting up of the takes it to the heart, sees that m~jority of the industries the artisans became labourers rural folk are employed, particularly in the in them. village industries, by giving them financial assistance and if necessary by linking up I would also like to say that khadi and the 2O-point programme also. village industries are important not only from I'economic point of view but from The Opposition Members have made a social point of view also. Through this we lot of Criticism about it saying that a lot of can give a new dimension to the process of corruption is going on in and Khadi and development by creating opportunities of Village Industries Commission. employment in the country. SHRI AMAL DATTA: ... as in the case of Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, through khadi banks. and village industries Mahatma Gandhi had dreamt that there will be 'Charkha' and SHAI K. S. RAO: I wish to ask the hon. gl inding mill in every house. But the Members from the Opposition, through planners did not prepare the plan in con- you whether their role is only to criticise formity with it. This resulted in the gradual that corruption is going on everywhere or downfall of this industry. is also to see that they also take active part in their own areas, to ensure that the pro- To-day, we express concern over the ris- gramme is property implemented then and ing unemployment in the country and it there and see that those mistakes are recti- has become a challenge for our country. fied. There is no point In just CritiCising Therefore, in order to solve this problem, it every time and thinking that their role is is necessary that we may give a boost to over. It is not so. the Khadi and Village Industries. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Whom do you With these words I support this Bill. make members of the Khadi and Village Industries Commission? [English] SHRI K~. RAO: Members of Parliament SHAI K. S. RAO (Mactrilipatnam): Mr are people's representatives. You are also Deputy-Speaker, Sir. I am extremely a Member of Parliament. We are also happy to support this Amendment Bill Members of Partiament. In a particular which brings a new definition to the Khadi area where you are living, if you also take it and Village Industries Act. giving more to the heart and see that the policies and concentration to the village industries in programmes are implemented properly in the rural areas. The general impression identifying the right beneficiaries, abs0- today among the public in various parts of lutely there cannot be any reason or way the country. particularly, among the for us to criticise it. But not one of us is younger generation is that it is only for taking the responsibility or accountability weaving khadi or spinning yam this Com- in identifying the right beneficiaries in a mission is there. and it is not in their inter- particular local area or local office. If we try est. But, Sir, today having permitted the to help them select right beneficiaries, by population to grow in its own way and not this means we can encourage right men and checking it to the requirements of the we can see that the achiewment is made in country, suitability of the resources and the right direction as is expected in bring- socio economic conditions of the country, ing forward this Amendment of the Act. Let it is the responsibility of every-one of us us ~ot restrict our responsibility only to induding the Government to see that criticise it. nobody is unemployed in the country. This is possible only when the institutions like I do accept that there might be some Khadi and Village Industries Commission deterioration or some people might have 147 Khadi and ViII. Ind. MAY 11, 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 148

[Shri K.S. Rao] be implemented properly. So, I wish that the training faCilities must be multiplied to misused the funds. I request the hon. Min- see that the rural skills in various profes- ister also to see that extensive publicity is sions suitable to the areas are imparted to given about the various programme, the people and then !ink them up for the schemes and facilities available from the purpose of finance. Khadi and Village Industries Commission. These are not known to the commonmen. In regard to the appointing of Members, These things are not even known to the whether it is Member or his employee, his people's representatives at various levels background must be considered first to in a particular area. Let the hon. Minister ensure that his character or integrity or his take the responsibility to see that this is commitment and his convictions are suita- widely publiCised and, if necessary, ble to these schemes. If not, if the people elected representatives should be put in are selected oniy on some personcfl or poli- charge of the various schemes and they tical grounds or as faVOUrites of somebody or should be encouraged and asked to recruit at the request 6f somebody, the.purpose the right men. After this is done, we can cannot be achieved. We do observe that in certainly see whether the purpose for many of the areas where Khadl Bhandars which the Khadi and Village Industries are located, in various cities, the people Commission was incorporated was employed are not all aware or committed achieved or not. The purpose will be to the scheme. achieved. The basic purpose in those days-people are not aware now of the I request the Government to see that basic purpose because we belong to the only committed people are recruited both new generation-ot Mahatma Gandhi in as employees and Members. Highest bringing this Khadi Scheme was to bring responsibility should be given to non- about unity, commitment, self-respect and offiCial Members of the Commission after patriotism in the people and that purpose selecting them taking their background has been achieved. But in course of time If and their convictions Into account. anything goes down, we can certainly bring it up particularly by adding the This Commission can also have close number of village Industries which is of liaison with DADA In various dIstrict WIth- prime importance. out which the implementation cannot be proper. In regarej to the village industries, SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Why modern technologies are to be Imported are they restricting the definition? and the people must be brought to a level to adopt those latest technologies. SHRI K.S. RAO: I have already said, Khadi and Village Commission ... Elimination of corruption or the scan- dals must be viewed in a serious manner PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Don't and there should not be any time-lag In say Commission. As soon as you say Com- taking necessary action. Improving effi- mission, he suspects. ciency is the major factor that is affecting the various sectors. SHRI K.S. RAO: The programmes can be implemented only when the rural peo- I wish Mr. Arunachalam and Mr. Vengal ple are trained well. Unfortunately, major- Aao who are the Ministers will take thiS ity of the beneficiaries today are not suited aspect into account as they are in the habit and they have not got enough skills, to of taking necessary and speedy action in make use of the assistance in the proper these matters. Incentives have to be given way. Without making use of the assistance, to the people who repay well by way of they Will not only be able to get any reducing interest or giving some prizes benefit but the programmes also will not and by creating some competition among 149 Khadi and ViII. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Arndt.) Bill 150 them and so on. Marketing is a major prob- DR. PHULRENU GUHA: I don't believe lem. For the products they are manufactur- in it. That is why I still wear khadi and I ing in the villages, they are not able to get believe that khadi can do a lot. If small- the right price. The middlemen once again scale industries like Khadl and Village are making money. This has to be cut Industries are enlarged, they can help to down. promote employment opportunities in the rural areas. 1n spite of all the efforts. the SHAI SOMNA TH CHATTERJEE: Every- problem of unemployment and poverty. where there are middlemen. particularly in the rural areas has not been eradicated ... SHRI K. S. RAO: This is possible only when the Government takes the responsi- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: How bility in regard to this. many congressmen wear khadi ?

Our rural handicrafts are facing (Interruptions) extinction. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: The agricultu- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE. See rists have got seasonal work only. In other that they will not deposit the money in the times, they are unemployed. Therefore. if l Swiss bank small-scale Industries are ~t up in the rural areas, the vitlagers can get income by MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Prof. Madhu which the condition of poverty and unem- Dandavate, such words should be ployment can be solved expunged. Is it not? They should be expunged! Sir, It has been proposed that there should be a Committee conSisting of 12 SHRI K S. RAO There are lot of Items members in the place of 5. The Experts which are being manufactured In the rural Committee has recommended that there areas which have got export potential also. should be six non-officlal members and The Government must find out various such persons only should be associated avenues of holding and encouraging rural With the Commission who have expe- fairs which are very much In demand In rience In khadl and Village industries. Oth- variOUS parts of the world. erwise. the very purpose of increasing the number will be defeated. About the This aspect needs a thorough scrutinY experts, It is essential that they are from and encouragement. Keeping all these various diSCiplines like economic, plan- things In mind, I certainly support thiS Bill I ning, rural development science and tech- Wish the Minister must take It to the heart to nology etc. But the experts must have full see that the Jmplementatlon IS made prop- faith and commitment to the promotion of erly by regularly mOnitoring It at frequent khadi and village industries. Unless they Intervals He snould make the measures have that commitment. nothing will be more stnngent In order to take action on the done. The Commission should give full people who are on the wrong Side encouragement, assistance and technical help to the institutions that are working in DR. PHULRENU GUHA (Contal): Sir, I the rural areas. This should be the largest am very glad for the opportunity given to programme and must reach to all the 165 me to speak a tew words on thiS amending Districts. It should reach each and every Bill. Definitely, this Bill can bring abOut a block. Further, support should be given to change in the situation of Increasing the the new institutions for their working. But earning capacity of the people In the rural the financial conditions are not very good. areas. Special assistance should be given for SHRI SOMNA TH CHATTERJEE (801- them to s~rvive. There are rigid laws. But pur) : Change for the worse? there must be a certain degree of flexibility. 0Dmm. IAmt1I.) 11//1 152 151 Khadi and Vll/. Inti. MAY 1" 1987

[Prof. Phulrenu Guha) scene. Khadi should not be considered as mere cloth or a means for providing Sir, I wifl take only one minute. Thecondi- employment. Khadi is being r&-eStablished tions of khadi workers are very unsatisfac- today to defeat the forces of imperialism. tory. But the conditions of women workers We want to make our country self-reliant in the khadi and village industries are very today. Can we achieve self-reliance by very pitiable. It is now high time that var- mechanisation and will everyone get ious schemes, the women schemes, are employment if we go in for greater upgraded. Special protective measures are mechanisation? To ~ounter imperialistic needed to upgrade the women scheme evil designs and to strengthen the country and to establish equality among the rural everyone must get employment. It is only individuals. Provisions regarding child through khadi and village industries that care and maternity benefit and other sup- we can provide employment to our people portive services have been accepted by the and make them self-reliant. Khadi and vil- Government. But I am sorry to say that it is lage industries are the only solution for totally missing in this amending Bill also. overpopulated countries like ours. The developed countries generally have a very The last point I would like to point out is small population. If they go in for mechani- that Government and the Khadi and Vil- sation, enough employment opportunities lage Industries Commission should work will still be available for them but the same together in the field of anti-poverty pro- is not true for overpopulated countries like grammes tike IRDP and other pro- India were mecnanisation will only create grammes. They should be closely more unemployment. Mechanisation coordinated. Otherwise, it will not be pos- increases production but it reduces sible to eradicate the poverty in the employment opportunities also. That is villages. why Mahatma Gandhi had said that machines should be used to the extent that With these words, I support this Bill. they assist development but they should not displace people. Mahatma Gandhi had [Translation] presented a very rational view of the use of machines. He was not against scientifiC SHRI KEYUR BHUSHAN (Raipur) : development but he wanted that science Mr.. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to present should not be used to bring an end to first the ideology behind Khadi so that our humanity. We should guard against that. friends from the opposition parties can Khadi and village industries should be fully' support this Bill and I am confident used to provide employment to our people that they will do so. I am saying it because in the villages and make them self reliant I khadi had begun as a part of the National want to make one request that khadi and Movement. I think that history is again village industries should not be viewed just repeating itself. Mahatma Gandhi used an other industry. It should be decentra- khadi as a counter weapon against impe- lised in a way that atleast one industry is rialistic attempts of ruining our economic opened in every village to make them self- system; trying to keep us slaves till eternity reliant. and for making our country a ready market of their goods. Khadi was a big blow for 'Khadi and Village Industries' sector has imperialism at that time and the situation is become a sanctuary for the politicians. being repeated again. Imperialistic forces The people who do not get any other POSI- are again resurging today. Whatever is tion become Members or Chairman of its happening is known to everyone. It is the Commission. Only these persons who conspiracy of the imperialistic forces have devoted theirtives for khadi should be which are out to destroy India and to coun- appointed in it. When this Commission ter such forces Mahatma Ga.,..,i in the was constituted the Prime Minister of our shape of khadi has again emerged on the country was late Pt. Jawaharalal Nehru. He 153 Khadi and VHI. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 19C:S (SAKA) Comm. (Amdt.) BiN 154 had appointed late Vaikunth Lal Mehta as provide employment for 20 lakh people, the Chairman who was an expert on khadi. whereas 1% of investment of this public Today also there are hundreds of people undertaking will create 2OOOfo of ·employ- who are working in this field. You should ment generation. That is why we should select persons among them to ensure give more emphasis on khadi and village development in this sector. industries and the Government is trying to

~ give a thrust to the village oriented indus- Alongwith it, I want to say that Govern- tries. Here I want to say that this should be ment has been spending a large amount of extended to the municipalities and NIC money for the industrialisation of the coun- area of an undeveloped State. This should try. I do not have any objections to it. be speCified that for more than 5 lakh pop- Industrialisation is essential for the secur- ulation should be considered as urban ity of the country. But at the same time you area. Secondly, there will be a commission should spend at least one fourth of that which will have regional representation amount for the development of khadi and from six regions. I want to say that these village industries. In this context I want to regional representatives should cover all tell you that at least 25 people are required the States at some time or other. So far, just to spin the thread before production of Orissa has not got any opportunity to get khadi. After that comes weaving, dyeing the representation. Thirdly, we know that and printing. One Ambar Charkha gives there are 1100 registered bodies and 30000 employment to at least 10 people. That is cooperatives. But they are starved of funds why I am supporting the Bill. Gandhiji had and finances. So we urge for more fina~ stated in reference to the utility of khadi cial assistance and it should be ensured that it will be a weapon in our fight with the that institutions get full finance in the form imperialistic forces and it will help us in of grant and loan. strengthening the country and in making the Britishers flee the country within a year. Again the same forces have come Sir, the subsidy component of khadi and together and want to enslave our country. Village industries should be at par with that We will use every thread of khadi to defeat of IRDP. We know some of the khadi and such forces. It is my submission to you. village Industries programmes are being critiCised that they are not Implemented [English] properly. For thiS, I would like to say that the field wing of different khadi and village SHAIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK (Cut- industries board should be strengthened tack): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I welcome in order to have better implementation of this Bill. The basic philosophy of the khadi the programme. Then a" the industrial and its programme as advocated by multi-purpose cooperatives should be pro- Mahatm& Gandhi is 'Swadeshi' that is provided with a paid secretary and the salary duct produced in our country, 'Swavalam- should be borne by the khadi and village ban' means self-reliance and 'Swabhiman' industries for better Implementation of the means pride with respect. The develop- programme. I would like to say here that ment of our economy with khadi and vil- the technological support must be there. It lage industries should be taken as our is an important thing that Regional Train- programme and with the increase of our ing Centres should be there in every State industries. this' khadi and village industries and besides this, there must be the should receive due attention. The total regional office opened in tribal area in investment on khadi and village industries order to give financial assistance as well as is little over As. 500 crores as against As. infrastructural assistance to the people in 50000 on public sector undertakings. the tribal areas.

Sir, coming to employment in the public Khadi Commission may be requested to sector undertakings which are nearly 300 send a panel of e~perts for taking up a 155 Khadi and Viii. Ind. MAY 11, 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 156

(Shrimati Jayanti Patnaikl TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM) : Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir: I am indeed grateful to my quick industrial potential survey with ref~r colleague from both the sides for their ence to Khadi and Village Industnes abiding interest in the Khadi and Village activities mainly in the afflicted areas. In industries movement and for their valuable Orissa there are Kalahandi. Koraput. Phul- suggestions. The last two days of discus- bani and BoJangir areas. They should be sions in this august House on Khadi and taken care of. Village Industries Amendment Bill have been of great educative value to me. I must Khadi Commission have provided finan- assure them at the very outset that I have cial assistance to some drought affected taken careful note of all the suggestions States in 198&-87. But Orissa is also facing and shall endeavour to follow them up. problems and in view of the large percen- tage of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled The Rajya Sabha. I may recall. had con- Tribes population In the State. special assist- sidered the Bill and passed it unanimously ance may be provided to Orissa with some amendments. The amendments related to the composition of the Commis- I would like to mention that Polyvastra sion. emphasizing the mission oriented Scheme which comes under the Khadi and nature of the organisation as distinguished Village Industry. has been taken up In from a bureaucratic set up. There was. I Orissa in a big way and it was envisaged to noted with gratitude and satisfaction. an take up the scheme In all the 314 blocks of unanimous feeling in thiS House that the State. So far. thiS scheme has started In Khadl and Village Industries commission 126 blocks providing employment to 3654 should serve the VIllages better; except for women In the rural areas. Some of the my very learned fnend and my senior col- speakers already have spoken about the league Mr. Chatterjee who has given an marketing problems. Unfortunately. the amendment finished products are not selling to our expectations. A stock of polyester fabrics SHRI SOMNA TH CHATTERJEE. It IS a to the extent of Rs. 70 lakhs have been good amendment. you should accept that piled up in the godowns of Onssa State Handloom Development Corporation Ltd SHRI M ARUNACHALAM. The amend- and Orissa State Handloom Weavers' ment. It seems. says that we have to take Cooperative Society Ltd.. who are produc- the village industries to the towns also I ing polyester fabrics on behalf on the myself come from a remote village In the Khadi and Village Industry Board. Large southernmost corner of this country. I quantities of handspun yarn are also lYing know the village problems and the Village With these two organisations In s~tte of life Intimately. I am also aware that given 40% rebate-2QU1o by State Government the chance. our villagers will develop a and 20% by Khadi Commission-these high degree of initiative and skill. They fabrics are not selling to our desired satis- have the talent Only we have to explOit the faction. So, the Government of India may talent and show the way. issue instructions to the concerned organisations to give marketing support for sel- ting of these polyester fabrics. Because so I am tempted to quote Mahatma Gand- many women are employed in this and thiS hlJI who was fondly remembered more is creating such a major problem. than once dUring the diSCUSSions. Writing In Free India In December 1929. GandhlJI With these words I support the Bill. said·

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE To serve our Villages IS to estab- DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- lish SwaraJ. Everything else IS but LOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS-- an Idle dream." 157 Khadi and Viii. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 158

Sir, I find that this was the central theme In the resources of the Khadi and Village the speech of Prof. Ranga, a veteran Industries Commission to such an extent amongst us. As Prof. Ranga said the Khadl that I will have to go to my colleague in the and VIllage Industnes sector gives self- Finance Ministry and the Planning Com- employment which IS self-respecting and, mission for additional funds. But now that therefore, all the more satisfYing and we have the support of this House for a rewarding. Pandlt Jawahar Lal Nehru had higher allocation for this sector I have no this In mind when he said at the inaugura- doubt that we will be able to get additional tion of the All IndIa Khadl and Village resources. Industries Board In February, 1953: Before I turn to the other points raised in ''The Issue, therefore, IS not the debate I wish to reiterate again that the merely the advancement of the khadi institutions in urban areas will con- cause of khadl and village Indus- tinue to be assisted and promoted by tnes It Involves the advancement Khadi and Village Industries Commission. of the cause of the nation and the well-being of the people. This SHRI SOMNA TH CHATTERJEE: Only should, therefore, be dovetallea the existmg units. into the general plannIng of the people as a whole." SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Yes, of Sir, there is a complete agreement In this course. We are not touching the khadi House that the re-definition of the VIllage Industries at all in the urban areas. It is only industries to cover new industries is a wel- In respect of the village industries that we come step My fnends, Sarvashn Rarna- Intend to concentrate in the rural areas chandra Reddy, Das, Krishna Iyer, Vyas, during the coming years. We have covered Janga Reddy, Dennis, Natarajan, Aao and only a fraction of our villages through the others felt that we could have gone c little village industries programme and it is further and raised the limit to Rs. 25000/- or essential that at least by the turn of this Rs. 3O,cx>o/- as recommended by the century we cover all the villages of the Ramakrishnaya Committee country either Individually or in clusters. In this connection I must refer to an appre- Sir, I must plead that we are guilty of a hension expressed by some members of certain degree of caution. We are con- the House that the proposed definition scious of the tremendous response that would exclude any village. I would invite this change in the definition will evoke the attention of the members again to the from the artisans but we should also build wording of the Bill All the villages will be up the capability to meet their expecta- eligIble to be covered in the new scheme of tions. We, therefore, thought that we could thIngs. What we have saId IS that in addI- begin with this somewhat lower ceiling of tion to the villages areas with a population Rs. 15000/- and as we gain experience and of 10,000 or such other number as may be as we strengthen our organisation, prescrrbed will also be conSidered eligible increase the limit. That is why the Bill pro- since we found that there were towns and vides for increasing the limit by notification town panchayats with a population of less which will be laid before thIS House. than 10,000 In some States. Sir, here again we have followed the definition in the In this context I Stn glad to note that the NABARD Act and the wording of the Bill demand has been made in this House that would show that we can change this the allocation of funds for the Khadi and number if there IS any difficulty by notifica- Village industries should be increased tion which will be laid in this House. , manifold. Prof. Ranga said that the alloca- would request the han. Members to let us tion should be raised by ten times. Even know if they come across any problem on this limit of Rs. 15,000/- is going to strain this score, I promIse immediate action. 159 Khadi and Viii. Ind. May 11,1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 160

[Shri M. Arunachalam1 by eliminating drudgery and increasing wage levels. It is in this context that the My friend from Andhra Pradesh, Shri selection of members of the Commission Janga Reddy, has alleged sortie irregulari- assumes great importance, as the han. ties, corruption charges, misappropriation Members have stressed repeatedly during in Andhra Pradesh Khadi & Village Indus- the last two days. tries Board. Sir, for his information, I would like to say that the Khadi & Village Indus- Sir, I must assure the Members that, as tries Boards are administered by the State one responsible to the House, it will be my Governments. I request him to take the duty to ensure that members appointed to issue with the State Government. If he is the Commission have faith in the philo- prepared to give any specific instances, we sophy behind the khadi and village Indus- will talk to the State Government through tries and have the ability to implement the our Opposition leader, Shri Madhav Reddi, programmes in the field and will not be or directly to the Chief Minister. mere dreamers.

Sir, there were understandably enough Sir, Shri Krishna Iyer wanted to know repeated references to the living condi- whether the Government have accepted all tions of the artisans. Shri Dass, Shri Vyas, the recommendations of the Ramakrish- Shr1 Chaturvedt, Shri Pradhan, Shri -Rawat naya Committee. Sir, we have accepted and others referred to this. This is a major all the major recommendations of the problem causing concern to us also. By Committee contained in the first part of the and large, in the village industries sector, Report which was submitted in June 1986 the wages provide a certain mimmum live- and this Bill was introduced in December lihood but in the khadi sector where 1986-within six months of the submission women are employed, the wages are still of the Report. Sir, this shows the earnest- inadequate. Only two years ago, we ness and commitment with which we have increased the wages of the spinners and processed the Report. The second part weavers by 25% to 40%. This pushed up was received in February this year and is the cost and we, therefore, increased our unde( process. This report mostly deals standing rebate from 10% to 15%. Much with the internal set-up of the KVIC and more remains to be done and with the sup- discusses measures to activate the Com- port of this House, I am sure, we will be mission and the act mayor may not need able to serve our artisans better. any further amendments.

I have also taken up the question of labour laws with the Ministry of Labour. There was a refer-ence to the problems of We have to weigh the interests of the arti- marketmg in thiS sector. Yesterday, I was sans vis-a-vis the economic viability of this reading the story of Gandhlji's experi- sector. The solution lies in increasing pro- ments with truth and I found that Gandhijl ductivity and it is with this in view that we faced all these problems when he started have proposed to induct scientists/tech- the Khadi movement. Gettmg the yarn was nologists in the Commission. difficult in the first place and finally when the first piece of khadi was manufactured, Sir, the Ramakrishnaya Committee in It cost, In those days 17 annas per yard and its second part of the Report, which has It was very coarse Here I quote Gandhijl been placed in the Ubrary, has dealt extensively with science and technology and the "I did not hesitate to commend next decade is going to be a challenging this very coarse khadi at that rate ~ to the KVIC for they will have to to friends, who willingly paid the expand their actiVity, increase productiv- price." ity, induct new means of production and enhance the quality of life of the artisans But not we cannot sell the khadi and village 161 Khadi and ViII. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Cornm. (Arndt.) Bill 162 industries products by mere sentiments opportunities for the urban poor. alone. They have to be of quality as Shri I have extensively toured and Mahajanji, my learned colleague menti- seen the work being done in the oned in the House. They have to be reason- most backward and remote vil- ably competitive. We must have a good lages of our country. Talking to marketing strategy. It is with this view in the people, face to face, I know mind ,that the Committee has recom- how much more needs to be mended in the second part of the report the done. I am convinced that we are setting up of a separate marketing corpo- making progress In our struggle ration under the Khadi and Village Indus- against poverty." tries commission. We are yet to take a final view on this but the hon. Members would I wish to add that the amendment we have have noted that the Bill prOVides for estab- brought before you is only in fulfilment of lishment and maintenance of separate the assurance given by our beloved Prime organizations by the Khadl and Village Minister to the people in remote villages. Industries Commission. Shri Rawatji referred to involvement of I would like to conclude my speech with the banking sector for Increasing assist- a quotation from Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru. ance to Khadi and Village Industries Com- I quote. mission institutions. During the last 2-3 years, we have resorted to the banking sec- "In my own mind an idea is grow- tor and the response has been encourag- Ing dally that tt-,e yardstick by Ing. From As. 7.75 crores In 1979-80, it has which one can measure the eco- gone upto As. 74.34 crores In 1985-86. nomiC progress of a country is the extent of employment. We There is an utmost need for Integration have been talking of haVing a of other programmes as mentioned by Welfare State. A Welfare State is Prof. Rangajl. We have already made an one where every citizen is a attempt in thiS direction in a few districts. partner. sharing its benefits and We hope to extend this In the coming responSibilities equally. The citi- years. zen must realise that he is actually a partner In the State. People I have tried to cover all the malor pOints must have full employment. How raised dUring thiS most informative and could there be a Welfare State if Informed debate. If I have not speCifically people could not get employ- mentioned any particular POint, It IS not ment? For the unemployed, the because it IS less Important but because I Welfare State had no meaning." have already taken a lot of time of the hon. Members. In view of what I have said, I Sir, the Bill before this House is a step in hope the Members would not press for this direction, in the direction of providing their amendments. employment to the Citizens of this country.

DR. PHULRENU GUHA: What about I appeal to han. Members on both sides providing child care and maternity welfare of the House to give their unanimous sup- for the workers? port to this Bill and pass this with cheers. Our beloved leader. Shrimati Indira SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: I Will come Gandhi had said: to that. "Khadi and Village Industries are The Prime Minister while presenting the not only necessary but important 1987-88 Budget had said: for the country and I hope that "We launched an Important besides tried and tested workers, scheme to enlarge employment even the younger generation wilt 163 Khadi and Viii. Ind. MAY 11, 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 164

IShri M. Arunachalam) (ii) lines 6 to 8 omit lithe population of which does develop an interest in this branch not exceed ten thousand or such of constructive work." other figure as the Central Govern- ment may specify from time to We will be only remembering her when we time;"(4) pass this em today for we are opening up the village industries so that the younger Page 2,- generation will be drawn in. Omit lines 11 to 31. (5) As regards the point raised by han. Jady member Shrirnati Phulrenu Guha, I would Page 2, lines 16 to 20,- like to inform that we have taken up the matter with the Ministry of Labour. The Omit "in which the fixed capital invest- Ministry of Labour have constituted a ment per head of an artisan or a Committee to go into the problems relat- worker does not exceed fifteen ing to labour. As soon as their report thousand or such other sum as comes, we will study it and take necessary may, by notification in the offiCial action. Gazette, be specified from time to time by the Central Govern- MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question ment:" (6) is: Sir, before I speak on my amendments. I "That the Bill further to amend want to know how many members there the Khadi and Village Industries will be In the Commission. I specifically Commission Act, 1956, as passed raise this question because in the Bill that by RaJya Sabha, be taken into has been introduced in the Rajya Sabha. consideration. " the number of members is given as 12 Now it has become 10. Is it a conscious The motion was adopted. change or a printing mistake? Secondly, as we all know, this Bill relates MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House to a very Important sector of our economy, will now take up clause by clause consider- covering ('ural. semi-urban and urban atiOn of the Bill. Mr. Somnath Chatterjee, areas. The Minister himself has stated that are you moving your amendments to thiS IS an Instrument In our struggle against Oause 2? poverty. Ritualistically, they mentaon the name of the Prime Minister too. Struggle SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Yes against poverty is very important and a Sir. I press my amendments. As there are very important role IS played by this Khadl four amendments. I shoutd be given time and Village industries sector in this direc- proportionately. tion. This is as important as the interpretation of Article 78 of the Constitution. As MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You first move you know, there are 3 sub-articles to Arti- your three amendments to Clause 2. cle 78. Now, what is the true meaning of Art.c.e 78? There is a controversy going on Clause 2. (Amendment of Section 2) in this regard in the country. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I beg ( Interruptions) to move:

Page 2,- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is the (i) line 6, relevance of it now? after "own" insert- "or city, except a metropolitan city;" (Interruptions ) 165 Khadi and ViII. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Arndt.) Bill 166

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Why We do not know. We have to provide the are they so upset? Are the words 'Constitu- wherewithals-the livelihood-to so many- tion of India' unparliamentary? Why are people who are coming from outside the they so allergic? State of Mr. Satyendra Narayan Sinha. (Interruptions) I mean we do not mind. We (Interruptions) are quite happy. They are quite happy in West Bengal. There is no communal trou- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Let us ble, no caste trouble, no tribal problem and see how he interprets Article 78 in this there is no law and order problem. There is context! democratic right. There is no preventive detention. There is no police present. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: We do Therefore, people will not be ready coming not know what questions are asked by the here because they can live with honour President. and dignity and unless (Interruptions) Why did he mention Calcutta? I have to reply to SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: I do not him. understand how it is relevant to this Khadi and Village Industries Commission Act. Therefore, I am saying that if the object SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: In is the removal of poverty, as he is the panel view of the important role played by thiS Chairman, he should restrain himself... sector, the President IS most likely to ask for some information. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now as a Member, he is reacting. What to do? (InterruptIons) SHAI SOMNATH CHA TTEAJEE: Some MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER· You please day, he Will protest and he may raise a confine yourself to thiS Bill and to your point of order from the Chair itself. Then amendments. there will be a problem.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He IS PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He showing disrespect to the President! should not behave like this. At this rate, he may become the Speaker also. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You only speak on the Amendment. SHAI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Therefore, I am submitting that the empha- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Very sis on removal of poverty and giving oppor- well, Sir. Is President of India unparliamen- tunities to the poor people to start an tary? Is the Constitution of India unparlia- Industry of this magnitude which is being mentary? What can I do? I have to bow contemplated here, then why do restrict it down to you. What is this Amendment? to only 10,000? Then hon. Minister says, it Will include any village and the town with only a population I am sure, Mr. Sontosh Mohan Dev who of tess than 15,000... has come from Silchar. has many poor people there. He would like to advocate for SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM setting up industries for these people also (Salem): Ten thousand. i.e. Khadi and Village Industries. But why should it be restricted? Sir. they cannot SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: speak. They are gagged. They have no stand corrected-less than ten thousand. right to speak. We can only speak.... Can the Minister say that the poor people live only in villages? There are poor people MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You come to also in the urban areas, semi-urban areas. the point. 167 Khadi and Viii. Ind. MAY 11, 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 168

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: try in the towns will come within the scope Therefore what I am saying is that it should of this Bill. For whose benefit this is being also include cities. Maybe in deference to done? We do not understand. Ordinarily, the Minister's allergy, I have excluded the the basic objective is to strengthen this Metropolitan cities. But you accept other sector of our economy which can really Amendmen\ namely, it should include cit- create jobs, which can really come to the ies. And then the necessary coroUary is benefit of the people and can be an effec- being used, to delete that provision. Where tive programme for alleviation of poverty. is the necessity for restriction? We do not But how are you implementing them? If understand this. Why are you making a your idea is to make it more and more restrictive provision in this Bill, if your restrictive, it cannot be for the good of the object is to expand the scope of the Bill, so people and of the country. That is why I that more and more industries can be set have suggested that it should be restricted up in different parts of this country? There- to industries, as provided in the first part of fore, we do not want this. We do not agree. the meaning of village industries. The rest We do not understand the rationale of the of it should be amended. restrictive provisIons in this Bill when that was not there. How can the Khadl and Vil- I will not take much of your time. My lage industries as defined have an amendment NO.6 is an alternative to NO.5. expanded or have greater area of opera- If they do not accept No.5, they should at tion as compared to the restrictive opera- least accept No.6, so that thIS law can be tion in the existing Act? Of course, he will more effective I.e. thIS Bill can be a more not be replyi ng to it because it does not effectIve instrument In eradicating poverty, contain in the written answer. or In attemptIng to eradicate poverty -it will be perpetuated as long as they rule, we Secondly, the other important thing is have no doubt; but even then let there be a regarding the definition of the Village pretence of an attempt to remove poverty; Industries. No doubt, you are very much but poverty cannot be removed till they are concerned with thIS. Kindly look at the defi- In power. nition of the Village Industries. I know you are aware, Sir. May I remind you? SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Though it is not relevant to his amendment, I would like MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You tell, SIr. to Inform him that the Khadi and Village Everybody knows It. Industries Commission will be having ten members - six non-official members, two SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: No, experts ...... Sir. Kindly see that. But, how they are muti- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: The lating it now? Statement of Objects and Reasons said it would be twelve. (Interruptions) "Village Industry" means- SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Kindly hear me. (Interruptions) The Chief Executive "Allor any of the Industnes specIfied Officer and the Financial Adviser are two in the Schedule and Includes any official members. They have no voting other industry deemed to be speci- right. This is clear in the Bill. Coming to the fied in the Schedule by way of amendment.. ... Notification" SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: On a This is under Section 3. That is the present point of order, Sir. This is the trouble. The law. What they are trying to do is that, they Minister has not had the time to read his are excluding all industries which may be own Statement of Objects and Rasons. It set up in future in urban or semi-urban is said there: areas or small towns. The proviso only covers the eXIsting one. But no new indus- "'n order to discharge the new 169 Khadi and ViII. Ind. VAlSAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 170

responsibility of the Commission through the proceedings of the Rajya in promoting village industries, it Sabha. You will be knowing it. is proposed to strengthen the Commission and increase the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: This is maximum membership to the answer of the Minister... twelve." SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: I appreciate And the Bill introduced in the Rajya Sabha the concern of the hon. Member Shn Son- contains provision for twelve members. math Chatterjee for the poor in the urban Why is it suddenly reduced to ten, I ask. Sir: areas. But I am afraid that as far as village You did not allow me to ask that. I would Industries are concerned, the Khadi and like to know why it has been reduced from Village Industries Commission should twelve to ten, when his Statement of have to ';oncentrate on the villages in Objects and Reasons says it will be twelve. future. (Interruptions) Hon. Member Shri Somnath Chatterjee would have noted that we are not disturb- SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: This Bill has Ing, In any manner, the present arrange- been introduced after a careful study of all ments for the allocation of the Khadi the amendments carried out by the RaJYa industries in any town At present, only Sabha. around 1.5 lakh Villages out of the SIX lakh Villages in the country are covered by SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Why khadl and village industry activities. In this have you done it? kind of a situation, there IS no justification for the Khadl and Village Industries Com- SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: This was the miSSion assisting Units In urban areas. amendment carried out by the RaJya Industnes In urban areas have better Sabha. access tei institutional finances. This SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Is this Bill, again, will enable the Khadi and Vil- the answer? Was it a Government amend- lage Industries CommiSSion to concen- ment in Rajya Sabha? (Interruptions) trate on rural Industnallzatlon. I hope the hon. Member will Withdraw his amend- SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: It IS an ments. Otherwise, we are not accepting amendment carried out in Rajya Sabha. I them. am repeating that it was carried out In the Rajya Sabha. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I will not Withdraw them. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It was done In the Rajya Sabha; that is all. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: f now put the amendments No.4, 5 and 6 moved by Shri SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Why Somnath Chatterjee to the vote of the have they changed what is contained in the House. Statement of Objects and Reasons? The Minister says he does not know. Amendments Nos 4 to 6 were put and negatived. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: In the Rajya Sabha they made the amendment. They MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question have said it. (Interruptions) is:

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: What "That Clauses 2 to 4 stand part of the have they said? Was it a Government, or a Bill." private amendment that was accepted? The motion was adopted.

SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Kindly go Clauses 2 to 4 were added to the BiR. 171 Khadi and Viii. Ind. MAY 11,1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 172

Clause 5 (Substitution of new Section a lot of corruption in several Khadi and for Section 5 and 6) Village Industries about which Several hon. Members have pointed out. Hence, if SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS (Bhilwara): persons belonging to these corrupt institu- I beg to move: tions or cooperative societies are appointed as the Members of the Commis- Page 3,- sion, they will indulge in malpractices to protect their own institutions. Therefore, after line 43, Insert- such persons should not be appointed as Members. "(f) if he is trustee/office bearer of a Khadl and/or Village Industries [English] instltution/Co-operatlvF. Society aided or recognised by Khadl and SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: I would like Village Industnes Commission or to point out to the hon. Member that any State Khadl and Village Clause 6 (a) to (e) would take care of the I nd ustries Board." (1) proposed amendment moved by the hon member as thiS would have covered all [Translation] such possible situation where the membership attracts such disqualification. Hence I My amendment is that request the hon. Member to withdraw his amendment. [English] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Do you want "6. A person shall be disqualified to withdraw your amendment? for being a member of the Commisslon-" SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS: Yes.

[Translation] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Has the hon Member leave of the House to withdraw his Below this In sub-clause (a) to (e) It has amendment? been mentioned as to who would be diS- qualified. I want to add clause (f) to It that SEVEPAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. such people should be disqualified who have vested interests. The follOWing are Amendment No. 1 was, by leave, withdrawn. people who have vested interests. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question [English] IS:

If he is trustee/office bearer of a Khadl "That Clauses 5 to 8 stand part of the and/or Village Industries institution/Co- Bill." operativE'" society aided or recognised !>y Khadi and Village Industnes Commission or The motion was adopted. any State Khadi and VillAge Industries Board. Clauses 5 to 8 were added to the a,II. (Translation] MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Clause 9, Shn The purpose of my amendment is that Girdhari Lal Vyas' amendment IS there. persons with vested interests should not be appointed as the members of the Khadi Clause 9 - (Substitution of new Section tor and Village Industries Commission Section 15) beCause such people will help their own institutions. As you are aware that there is SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VY AS: I beg to 173 Khadi and Viii. Ind. VAISAKHA 21,1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Arndt.) Bin 174 move: [English] SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: The amend- after line 42, insert -- ment proposed by the hon. Member relates to the protection of the interests of "(KK) to ensure protection of the workers and artisans engaged in the Khadi interest of workers/artisans and Village Industries. In this regard, it may engaged by the Khadi and Village be noted that the Labour Ministry is seized Industries Institutions/Coopera- of the matter and I have personally taken tive Societies, Involving funds of up the matter with the Labour Ministry. Khadl and Village Industries The Labour Ministry has appointed a Commission directly or through study group to go into the various labour Its any agency, against any laws applicable to the Khadi and Village exploitation and to ensure them Institutions and how their application or reasonable conditions of otherwise can be modified for this pur- employment." (2) pose. As soon as the report of the study group comes we will again take up with the I am suggesting this amendment for Labour Ministry. Therefore, I would ensuring protection of the Interests of request the hon. Member to withdraw this workers/artisans engaged by the Khadl amendment. and Village Industries, Institutions/Coop- erative Societies, involving funds of Khadl SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS: I withdraw. and VHlage Industries Commission directly or through any agency against any MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Is it the plea- explOitation and to ensure them reasona- sure of the House that the amendment ble conditions of employment. moved by Shri Girdhari Lal Vyas be withdrawn?

[Translation] Amendment No.2 was by leave, withdrawn.

My submission is, and the hon. Minister MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question had also stated this, that the workers and is: artisans engaged in the Khadi and Village Industries are getting As. 3 or Rs. 4 per day "That Clauses 9 to 14 stand part of the against minimum wage of Rs. 11 per day. Bill." Some law should be enacted to ensure minimum wage to these persons. It is The motion was adopted. necessary that the power to protect the interests of such workers and artisans Clauses 9 to 14 were added to the Bill. should be given to the Commission to protect the interests of these workers and to MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Clause 15, save them from victimisation. It will put an SIlri Girdhari Lal Vyas' amendment is end to the exploitation of these people. 40 there. lakh people are engaged in this sector and they are not paid even mimmum wages Clause 15 (Amendment of Section 27) due to which they are not able to live properly. Hence, it is my humble request that SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS (Bhilwara): my amendment may be accepted and the I beg to move.: Commission be granted powers so that these 40 lakh workers may get full wages Page 8,- and the exploitation by the institutions may also come to an end. This is the after line 5, insert--- amendment which , have proposed and I hope that it will be accepted. "28. The Commission shall have 175 Khadi and Viii. Ind. MAY 11, 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 176

Power of frame rules to check posed amendment by the hon. Member and to initiate appropriate action, appears to protect the interest of KVIC pro- Includmg legal action against grammes including safeguardin" the any trustee/office bearer of Khadi funds of the Commission and as such, we institutions/Cooperative socie- should welcome it. However, this cannot ties or an individual aided by the be considered now. If necessary, at a later Commission or any of its agency stage, we can come up with a suitable found responsible for misappro- amendment taking into account all these priation, avoidable losses and relevant facts into the proposed amend- expenditure of funds against ment of the hon. Member. At this stage, I objectives of Khadl and Village request him not to insist on the industnes Commission.". (3) amendment.

am suggesting that the Commission SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS: I seek leave should have powers to frame rules to of the House to withdraw my amendment. check and to initiate appropriate action MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Has shn including legal action against any trus- Glrdhan Lal Vyas leave of the House to tee/office bearer of Khadi institutions/ withdraw his amendment? Cooperative societies or an indiVidual/ aided by the Commission or any of its SOME HON. MEMBERS: Yes. agency, found responsible for misappropriation, avoidable losses and expenditure (Amendment No. 3 was, by leave, of funds against objectives of Khadi and withdrawn) Village Industries Commission. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question is: {Translation I "That Clauses 15 to 17 stand part of the Such complaints come to us everyday Bill" and the Commission does not have any power to initiate action against them. So I The motion was adopted. want that the Commission should have such powers. There are no provIsions in Clauses 15 to 17 were added to the Bill. this Bill by which the Khadi and Village Industries Commission can initiate action Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the against any institution found responsible Title were added to the Bill. for misappropriation of funds. That is why I have proposed thiS amendment by whls:h SHRI M. ARUNACHAlAM: I beg to the Commission can be strengthened. move: proper distribution of funds will be ensured, people will get proper employ- "That the Bill be passed" ment and your aim can be fulfilled. If we take aJl this into consideration. this amend- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question ment becomes very necessary. If you do is: not accept this amendment, the Commis- sion will not be able to check the constant ""That the Bill be passed" misappropriation of funds. I hope the hon. Minister will accept the amendment which The motion was adopted I have proposed. [English) (English) MR. DE;PUTY-SPEAKER: Now, we take SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: The pro- up discussion under rule 193. 177 Khadi and ViII. Ind. VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) Comm. (Arndt.) 8111 178

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: What (Rajapur): Before you take up the discus- about discussion on Punjab? Sion, we would like to know whether the discussion will extend to tomorrow or SHRIMATI SHIELA DIKSHIT: I cannot some other issues are to be carried out. say.

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER I Will let you SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU. (Goblche- know ttlpalayam) Sir, there has not been even the sitting of the Business Advisory Com- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We have mittee also. Everday they are extending the to ptan our Journey accordingly. House Without the knowledge of the Members .( Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If we do not sit tomorrow, then we will finish it today by SHRt SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY sitting late, otherwise, It Will continue (Katwa): What is going on? Everyday in the tomorrow evening they say it has been extended.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: The nor- maJ procedure IS that the House IS SHRIMATI SHEILA DIKSHIT: Sir, if I Informed In time whether there IS a pro- remember correctly, they had requested posal to extend the sitting of the House the hon. Speaker about a discussion on Punjab. He is taking up that also. I can let MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will find out. the han. Members know In another twenty- five minutes what IS going to happen PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: People because I have lust now been told that we have to go. They must know whether there are gOing to have a sitting of the House IS a sitting or not. tomorrow. If they will bear with me for another 10-15 minutes. I WIll let them know THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE what IS gOI ng to happen? MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRIMATI SHEILA DIKSHIT) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: 'Mlat We are gOing to have a sitting of the House about the motion on Article 78? tomorrow SHRIMATI SHEILA DIKSHIT: t cannot MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I think, the tell you that Just now.... House will accept extension of the sitting of the House by one day. (Interruptions )

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Yes. SHAI P. KOLANDAIVELU: My request is if there IS a sitting of the House tomorrow. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: In the let us take up thiS matter tomorrow as the absence of the Business Advisory Com- first item. mittee it is the Parliamentary Minister who Informs the House about the business of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No, I am sorry. the House. We would like to know as to what IS gomg to be the agenda for SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: It is already tomorrow. 5.20 now.

SHRIMATI SHIELA DIKSHIT: Whatever MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will take business is left in today's agenda,.that will forty, minutes now and then tomorrow we be taken up tomorrow. Tomorrow we have will take up In the beginning Itself. got two or three important Bills coming up in the Order Paper. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Now only 179 Khadi and Viii. Ind. MAY 11. 1987 Comm. (Amdt.) Bill 180

(Shri P. Kolandaivelu] casual labour who are engaged on daily one or two Members will be able to speak. basis? What is this? It has never happened that ;s all. like thaL .. (Interruptions). MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It will come as the first item tomorrow. Let them speak SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA:Eventillnow tomorrow. We will continue tomorrow. we do no know what will be the business SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN (Kishan- tomorrow. This is a very ad hoc manner ganj): Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, I have got a and callous attitude that is being taken problem. I have to go away now. So, please towards the business of this House. carry on tomorrow. Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER: O.K., we witl MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is your prob- see. lem. What can I do. Sir? SHRI G.M BANATWALLA: You, sitting SHRIMATI SHEILA DIKSHIT: It will be in that exalted Chair, must make an obser- carried on till tomorrow. vation on thiS method that is being adopted ...... ( Interruptions). MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Mohanty, you speak now... MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is a Bus- in~ Advisory Committee. Let them ... (Interruptions) (Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Every- day they are extending the House. I am not PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: There is talking about you, but I am talking about no Business AdVISOry Committee... the Parliamentary Affairs Minister. They go on extending like that We have pro- (Interruptions) grammes and all that. Tomorrow again it will be extended; we do not know the pur- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will convey pose for which It IS extended and those the feelings of the Members to the items on the agenda are also dropped. Minister... What is this? ( Interruptions)

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA (Ponnanl). MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have con- What an ad' hoc method in which the veyed the Members' feelings to the MiniS- House is being treated!.. ... (Interruptions). ter. They will take care of your objection....

SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond Har- (Interruptions) bour): There is no consideration for the people... (Interruptions). PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: The Min- isters are taking the Chair for a run. They SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Sir, you cannot function in a tyrannical manner like must make an observation at this ad hoc this. manner in which we are treated and the callous attitude that is being taken towards SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: Sir the Lok Sabha sittings and its business you are neutral. You give your judgement. also. You must make an observation from Is it the way to run the House? the Chair. It is a very ad hoc manner. We do not know. From day to day it is being MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You have continued expressed your views. I have conveyed your feelings to the Minister. There may be PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Are we some urgency. I will find out. 181 DIsc. fie: situation VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) in Sri Lanka 182 SHRI A CHARLES (Trivandrum): Sir, you must safeguard our rights. lanka? If you observe minutely, perhaps it is human civilisation marching backward. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes, definitely. (Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We are a MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order please. political functionary ... (Interruptions). SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: What SHAI C. MADHAVAEDDI (Adiiabad):At is the scenario to-day in Sri Lanka? least let them tell us what is the business for tomorrow. SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond Har- bour): You are taking the place of Shri MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: She has said Tewary. that she is going to inform. Within 10-15 minutes she is going to inform. She has SHAI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: I do already said that. Madam, after fifteen min- not know whether that word has been utes you try to tell them what is the agenda for tomorrow. monopolised by any Member.

The situation prevailing in Sri Lanka is SHRI AMAL DATTA: Such an important matter..... (Interruptions). distressing. Not only it is distressing but also one feels as i{the human civilisation is marching backward. What is the situation MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have told the to-day?Jayawardhane Government is Minister. She will inform. Don't worry. uSing Army and Air Force against the citizens. It is unusual. Nowhere Army and Air SHAI SAtFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: This Force are engaged against the Citizens. Not has never happened before. only that, the economic blockade, the communication blockade is there. In order PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I thought to punish the militants, the entir~ popula- that ad hocism was only the characteristic tion including the civil population, they of the Government, but it has become the were denied the opponunity of getting characteristic of this House also. their provision of economic needs or communication needs. This is unfortunate. SHAI AMAL DATT A: Sir, in that case let us diseuse Article 78. That business is This is not all. Sofarasthe Tamil popula- already there. The Speaker has admitted tion is concerned, they are not safe. I mean that. to say, the Civil Population, apan from the militants, their safety and security is not MA. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We will see assured. what is the possibility. The Minister will find out. Mr. Mohanty, you can carry on. In the year 1986 alone, 2000 people had been killed. Most of them are Tamil. This I 17.25 ..... am saying from the version of the Govern- ment of India. 1,30,000 Tamil people exo- DISCUSSION RE: SITUATION ARIS- dus, they are inside 'ndia. That is on ING OUT OF THE ESCALATION OF VIO- Government of India account. You LENCE IN SHAI LANKA imagine the situation there. The April 21 massacre took place in Colombo. Of course, Government of India have con- [English] demned it. The normal impression is, perhaps, the militants have committed it. But SHRt BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY as a matter of fact it is the Israeli Massad (Puri): What is the scenario to-day in Sri who have committed it. It is not my version. 183 Disc. re: situation MAY 11, 1987 in Sri Lanka 184

[Shri Brajamohan Mohanty] the play-ground of different political powers. Sir, what is the commitment of the I am quoting the version of the Sri Lanka Non-Aligned Movement? Is it not the com- Freedom Party Members. They say: mitment to keep different pOwer QlDcks away from confrontation. Now. the situa- "While some SLFP Members of tion is such that any moment, super- Parliament suspect this ghastly powers confrontation may take place in Sri work to have been an inside job Lanka. I would like to submit that it is a done with the help of Israeli great threat to the security of India. How agents. the Sn Lanka Govern- long should we tolerate this? Who will ment insists on blaming the Tamil allow thiS kind of toleration? Uninterrupted militants. so as to launch their air massacre of innocent Tamils is going on, wax against civilian targets In the torture is going on and the Tamils are Jafna Peninsula." being killed like anything. Lakhs and Lakhs of people are affected by the economic It is Israeli Massad who have done this. It is blockade. They were denied of the min- a very serious thing. imum need,s of the daily life. Fuel was denied to them. How long will they tolerate? I You will find South African weaponry is do not adVise the Government of India that being used against Sri Lanka people or we should immediately intervene. Tamil people violating all norms of non- alignment movement,violating all princi- SHAI N. V. N. SOMU (Madras North). ples of non-ahgnment movement. Now That should be the only solution. there have been dealings of weaponry by SHRI BAAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: That Sri Lanka Government with South Africa. IS not the solution. That will further compli- So far as the United Kingdom is con- cate the Situation and that will escalate the cerned. 120 people have gone back, those confrontation and It will land everyone In who were mercenaries and were training difficult situation. the Sir Lankan people there. They have openly said that the personnel whom they SHAI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Actually they were training were not disciplined person- have declared war against them. nel. They committed atrocities against the innocent Tamil people in Sri Lanka. So. MA. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will give you they have gone back and another 20 pe0- time. You can speak at that time. Don't ple are there in Sri Lanka. The Home Minis- interrupt him now. Let him have his say. ter of the UK has candidly admitted "Yes. the British ex-servicemen were imparting SHAI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: All training to the Sri Lankan personnel in Sri the Members do not have uniform opinion Lanka to fight against Tamils" That is not and they do not express uniformly. So, you all. Pakistan has trained 643 Sri Lankan may advise the House what you think. But personnel to fight against guerillas. Now. this is my advice. the weaponry that has been supplied by Pakistan has been used against the gueril- Sir. I would like to place before thiS las. They were of the USA manufacture. august House another point. Sir, we are They are freely being used against the committed to the unity of Sri Lanka. We are Tamil people in Sn Lanka. Here, I would committed that there should not be any like to point out that now Pakistan has terrorism - either State terrorism or Taml' been requested by the Sri Lankan Govern- terrorism. All sorts of terrorism must stop ment for sending their ex-pilOts so that We want political settlement and we want they are most effective in killing innocent negotiated settlement. We are opposed to civilians. Now. the Chinese weaponry are military action. Now, the crisis is generated also being used. Sir. my submission is this. because of the vacillation of the Govern- Now, Sri Lanka has been the PIaV-Qround, ment of India. 185 Disc. As: situation VAISAKHA 21. 1909 (SAKA) in Sri Lanka 186

Sir, I would place before you certain hon. Minister had given when it was in the facts. Now, one silver lining is that the form of a CaUing Attention Motion. I have Opposition there is divided. They have gone through in between the lines. He has asserted that there should be no military not been able to give any enlightenment as option, but there should be a political set- to what is the way out, where we are going, tlement. I would place before you the views from this point where we are going, and of the Sri Lanka Leftist three-Party Alliance what is the alternative to this. -the Communist Party, the Lanka Sama Samaja Party (LSSP) and the Lanka Maha- I would tell you how Sri Lanka Govern- jana Party. In a statement they warned that ment is Vacilating. Sir, on 12th February 'those who promote a military option 1987, the President of Sri Lanka indicated through racism and confrontation with that there should be negotiations in Delhi if India are playing with fire. Action along the the Liberation Tigers will jOin. And on 2nd lines they advocate can well turn Sri Lanka March 1987 the President told our High Into another Lebanon, Cyprus or Nigena. Commissioner in Colombo that India's role is very important. This is on 2nd And' the Statement further said that March. On 3rd March the total thing while condemning unreservedly both changed. In the UNO Human Rights Com- State and L TTE terrorism against unin- mission the Sri Lankan Government repr&- volved ciVilians, we reject the Government sentative said that India has lost the doctrine that terrorists and terrorism must credibility, India cannot negotiate. Not be militarily destroyed before efforts at a only that. He said, India has lost control negotiated political settlement can be over the militants as if they are our citizens, resumed. The example of Ireland and as if we are controlling them. Then on 24th other countries show that military con- April 1987 the famous statement of the quest cannot stop terrorist actions, which Prime Minister of Sri Lanka carne and in will keep reappearing until a political settle- that Statement the Prime Minister says, ment is reached.' 'Any country advocating for political sett1e- ment, they are the enemies of the Govern- This is the view and this is encouraging in ment of Sri Lanka'. (Interruptions). And, the sense that the saner opinion, the pro- Sir, on 30th April 1987 President Jayewar- gressive Opinion In Sn Lanka has started to dene said that Delhi is following Hitlerian assert. I do not say that some of these policy. But even in that Press Conference, political parties are also not religious he said: "If Liberation Tigers will join the chauviOists, but I feel that they have com- negotiation, then India may involve itself in mitted themselves saying that the only mediation". These two statements are answer to this problem is political. made.

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: For the last I would like to invite the kind attention of four years you are telling the very same the hon. Minister to these things. I take thing. strong exception to the statement of the President, Mr. Jayewardene. Is it the Non- (Interruptions) Alignment culture. abusing a Government that we are follOWing the Hitlarian policy? SHRI N. V. N. SOMU: The same philo- So, this is very much offensive to us. Those , sophy. You have wasted four years talking who have read the Ramayan know the epi- this philosophy. sode. Saint Tulsidas has written, "bin bhay nahin preeti". Without fear, there cannot be (Interruptions) any friendship. When Ramachandra wanted to cross the sea to go to Sri Lanka, SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: Sir, Ramachandra said to Lakshman: "You no doubt, we have reached at the road's request the sea to dry up; I can walk over." end, and even the Statement which the Lakshman prayed for three days. The 187 DIsc. '8: sItuatIon MAY 11,1987 In SrI Lanka 188

[Shn Bra)amohan Mohanty) President of Sn Lanka? Who Is the author- Ity? The very word used against our sea did not respond Then, Government the Government at Delhi, IS Lakshman wanted to throw an arrow to dry very much offensive and absolutely pro- It out Immediately the Sea God appeared VOcative. It Is not only distressing. It is pro- before Ramachandra and helped him So, vocative I am afraid, how long can we keep Tulsldas has wntten "bm bhay nahm under control all the enotlons and provo- preetl So friendship WIthout fear IS catiOns that are being created by them? ImpossIble ThiS IS not possible In the world of diplomacy and the hon Minister In the UN Human Rights CommiSSion. who has worked In thiS field for long y~ars they had made categoncal allegations It IS knows It very humiliating for US But what can we do? On second. you say our role IS very SHRI RANA VIR SINGH (Kalsargan)) Important On third. you change your Don t apply Ramayan to Sri Lanka sItua- stand Have you protested about It? have tIon OtherwIse many thtngs Will follow I you spoken to them direct about any foreign Powers of Interventlontsm? I recall SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY Wha- what Indlra!1 said Indlrajl said. Sn Lanka IS tever It may be you know, how vacIllatIon It not Just any other country Naturally, my IS You see th 19th December proposal submiSSion would be. why don't you say would have been the baSIS for negotiation categOrically, that supposing Intervention and almost all parties dIrectly or indIrectly takes place by the foreign powers. we Will agreed to It But the PreSident Jayewar- not tolerate? Have we taken up the ISSue In dene has changed hiS mind at the last the NAM because the very fundamental moment Naturally what IS the reason that prinCiples of non-alignment movement he IS now giVing? He IS Injecting commu- had been Violated by Pakistan. by Sri nalism Into Sn Lanka for hiS advantage Lanka and by other countries? \Nhat have That Muslims wanted a separate State' we done? We have got no dealmgs With But unfortunatelv, I can assure you, my South Africa Have you taken up With UK Information IS, Muslims do not contribute Government? It has been admitted by UK to hiS thlnktng But taking advantage of hiS machinery that atrOCities have been composition. he IS now rejecting thiS proposal mitted by the personnel whom they have So. Sir, what IS the posltton of th~ 19th trained They have admitted that In that December proposal? Would you enlighten background, have we lodged a protest? If I us? Could our High Commissioner am correct, I have put thiS question per- enlighten us? can anybody enlighten me haps tn the last session The question IS. whether we are stili accepted as a country • Why should you not do anything, at least, to exeretse our good offices for a political to stop intervention from other powers and settlement? some hostile powers of ours?" It IS a ques- MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER Please be tion of security Once It IS a question of brief security. the only conSideration IS that we have to protect ourselves at any cost. wha- SHRI 8RAJAMOHAN MOHANTY I am tever may be the form Have you taken up entitled to half-an-hour Now, thiS IS only the Issue In NAM? Is It not a Violation of 10 minutes If you Interrupt me at thiS prinCiples of NAM? How the Human moment. the SPIrit of speech Will be lost Rights are being Violated In Sn Lanka. the Now, what IS the position? May I know world well knows 120 people returned to from the hon MInister whether we are In UK It IS because world oplnton was the position of mediator and we are In a created all over the world that human position to help them In negotiation to nghts have been Violated In advance, they reach a political settlement? Which version said "Human rights are ViOlated So, we are IS to be accepted-the version of the Prime leaving" Is not the Situation very npe for Mlmster of Sri Lanka or the versIon of the super-power conflict when we are com- 189 Disc. Re: situation VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) in Sri Lanka 190 mitted being a member of the NAM to keep tion between man-to-man. That was a them out? revolutionary phase of the human history. But that has lost its impact in Sri Lanka, as I The hon. Minister has to give us some said eartier. So, my submission would be enlightenment. The statement of the hon. that the time has come when we have to Minister also indicates nothing but simply take a decision-whatever may be its urging ~that there should be no terrorism, dimension. We have to act deciSively so that there should be peaceful negotiations that we can protect our civilized way of life. and that political solutions should be I am recollecting one Bengali Poem that found out. As a matter of fact, we have was recited in the Calcutta Congress, been doing it for the last four years. But the which is as follows: situation has not improved and they are gOing on their operation of torture which is "CHALO JAI JUDHHE Inhuman. It is against the norms of human civilisation. It is against the norms of civ- CHALO JAI JUDHHE Ilised Government. JUDHER VIRUDHE JUDHHA..... At some point or the other we have to stop it. Diplomatic relationship should also The meaning is: "Let us go for war; let us be considered. If things do not improve, we go for war. may not directly intervene militarily but all the same diplomatic relations should be For what? War against war". So, now the there. We have to consider. The matter time has come to act. The civilian war that may be right earnestly taken up in the NAM is going on there has to be stopped. We Summit meeting.lt can be taken up In the have to stop it. UNO, in various other forums and In the International forums. At the same time, I SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Iftheyoptfor say that I am not opposed to the Sinhalese a military solution, then we have also to opt They have not migrated from my State or for a military solution .... West Bengal to Sri Lanka. Both tne people of Sri Lanka-the Tamils and the Sinhalese (Interruptions ) -they are the onginal people of India They have· migrated to that country. They have SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: I am not only migrated but they have inherited not for a military solution. Military solution the great heritage of India. Unfortunately. is never talked about in the language of the Slnhatese people now disowned our diplomacy.... (Interruptions).. It is your heritage. They say that they have a differ- internal matter. Mr. hon. Minister. it is your ent heritage. The Tamils have owned the own internal matter. Do you know what Indian heritage. This is the difference. But your own Foreign Secretary has said? I we are not opposed to it. The very baSIC mean the ex-Foreign Secretary. I am Quot- and fundamental principle of Buddhism, ing him, from the Tribune: "He has twitted perhaps. has lost its impact in Sri Lanka. the Centre for not being fully aware of the security dimension to the present escala- Sangham sharanam gachhami, tion In the Sri Lankan Civil War. Any way, -here I am not Qoting the name of the Buddham sharanam gachhaml, Foreign Secretary.....

Dhamam sharanam gachhami

VVhat is the rule of law? The philosophy and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE humanitarian values of Lord Buddha did MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS not believe in discrimination between (SHRI K NATWAR SINGH): " is the rnan-to-rnan. He did not find any distinc- Former Foreign Secretary. 191 Disc. ra: situation MAY 11, 1987 in Sri Lanka 192

SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MONAHTY: Yes, SHRI N. V. N. SOMU: With much agony it is the former ForeIgn Secretary. I am and pain, I have to address this august further quoting from the same which says: House. Four years have passed and yet, "Anyway, he has said, Delhi tends to be the tears of the Tamils have not been wiped insensitive to the failings of people In the out. Mr. Parthasarathy, Mr. Bhandari, Mr. non-Hindi belt". This is very much dIstress- Chidambaram, Mr. Dinesh Singh-I do not ing. this is the tragedy of life. A man who know who else are going to be added to was administering the External Affairs Min- this list of emissaries. But the problem of istry for so many years, he now says: "Delhi the Tamils in Sri Lanka has not yet been is not sensitive about the people of non- solVed. Mr. Jayewardene is ready for a Hindi belt. Will the Centre's reaction be the complete, total onslaught on the Tamil same?" It is very dangerous. It further people in Sri Lanka. But we are still talking reports: "Will the Centre's reaction be the philosophy. There have been so many phi- same if blOO

[Shri Janardhana Poojary] Mr. Deupty-Speaker, no Government, far Jess a Government which calls itself Table-(l) A copy of Notification No. democratic and civilised has a right to kill a 199/87-Customs (Hindi and English ver- section of its own people or stop them into sions) published in Gazette of India dated submisssion or humiliation. If racism is the the 11th May, 1987 together with an basis of Aparthed, then Sri Lanka is turn- explanatory memorandum making certain ing into another South Africa today. What amendments to Notification No. 224/81 we need today is firmness and action. We Customs dated the 1st October, 1981 so as cannot compare terrorism with the State to reduce the customs duty on Vinyl Chlo- violence. We condemn terrorism. I am not ride Monomer (VCM) for manufacture of here to justify the act of terrorism but no PVC resin from 25 per cent ad valorem to one can equate an act of terrorism by an 10 per cent ad valorem, under section 159 unofficial group with a State violence and of the Customs Act, 1962. [Placed in war launched by a Government against its library. See No. L T -4452187] own people. Today what is happening in Sri Lanka is not affecting just the militants (2) A copy of Notification No. 136187- as the Sri Lanka Government claims. It is Central Excises (Hindi and English ver- affecting directly the civilian population of sions) published in Gazette of India dated that country. There have been thousands the 11 th May, 1987 together with an of casualties and people are starving. What explanatory memorandum seeking to is worse, the Government of Sri Lanka prescribe concessional excise duty at the seems to be pround of its record. It is rate of 5 per cent ad valorem on automatic engaging in a very intemperate and irres- cone winding machines, issued under the ponsible language. Central Excise Rules, 1944. [Placed in library. See No. LT-4453/87) We all here condemn the massacre of Sinhalese also In Trincomalee and DISCUSSION RE SITUATION ARIS- Colombo, though our friend pointed out ING OUT OF THE ESCALATION OF VIO- that there IS some suspicion about what LENCE IN SHAI LANKA -Contd. realty happened In Colombo and who IS behind It. But we know one thing; that this [English] Government of Sri Lanka was elected in 1977. It Qot through a referendum SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN (Kishan- extended Its life by a whole term in 1983 ganj): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the grim and may be today it IS looking for an situation in Sri Lanka today IS indeed too excuse to perpetuate itself into power, to deep for tears With all its human and moral give itself yet another term of office. That consequences. Sri Lanka is virtually in a particular aspect we cannot ignore when state of civil war The anguish and the we look at the Sri Lanka situation today. agony of the Sri Lankan people, the Tamil people is felt by us because of our natural The Sri Lanka situation therefore is a kinship relations. I would like ·to say here national tragedy for Sri Lanka, a civilised that this anguish IS not limited to the Tamil State has been militarised and a whole people in South India. This anguish and generation is being brought up on hatred agony is felt. by all the people of our coun- and violence. It is indeed a political and try to whichever part they belong and to social tragedy in a country which was con- whatever ethnic ongin they might belong. sidered to be very advanced and liberal; a The Government of Sri Lanka has unfortu- cnme being committed against its own nately in quest of a military solution has people and the social fabric being torn declared a war on its people. In quest of a beyond repair. But it is also a regional final solution whch is nothing short of deci- tragedy. It is a threat to peace to our region mation and subjugation and humiliation of because external powers have not been the Tamil people of Sri Lanka. slow in trying to fish in the troubfed waters· 197 Disc. FIe: situation VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) in Sri Lanka 198

They are readily and willingly getting think-tank. But let us have a permanent involved or getting stuck into the situation. negotiating team until this problem is The situation has a human aspect. It is a settled. I don't mind if Mr. Natwar Singh is great human tragedy. There is a persistent there. In my view he should be there. But pattern of gross and massive violation of there should also be the Foreign Secretary. human rights. It almost arhounts to geno- This should be handled in a competent cide and a crime of genocide is a crime and professional manner and not in a lack- against humanity. adaisical and off-again and on-again manner. We must activate Indian diplo- For us Sir, in India who consider both macy and give it a sense of purpose and a Sinhalese and Tamils as our km, It IS sense of direction and a clear role if we Indeed a family tragedy. Therefore, It IS our want our diplomacy to succeed in Sri duty and responsibility not to be silent Lanka. Now what are our options? spectators; but to do all that is possible to Well one can easily say one is bilateral pres- bring Sri Lanka to a peaceful environment. sure, persuasion, call it good offices or mediation whatever you like but pressure Sir, what have we done so far? We have works only when the other side knows that been sending emissaries after emissaries. I you mean bUSiness and you are prepared must say that there is something wrong to support your pressure with something with the functioning of the foreign office. more tangible, if necessary. We have the At one stage we had Mr. Parthasarathy's option of military intervention. I shall not go silent and low profile and low decimal Into that at the moment. There is also the diplomacy. You suddenly substituted it by option of International mobiltsation. Atter- Mr. Romesh Bhandari's very high pressure all If you agree with my diagnosis that Sri and very high esteemed diplomacy. Then Lanka is turning Into a second South you have the duo sent In there of our dear Afnca why cannot we activate the Human colleagues Mr. Natwar Singh and Mr. Chi- Rights Commission? Why can't we bring dambaram, who I don't know have been in SAARC? Why cam"'t we take if up with able achieve what. Suddendly after the non-aligned movement and why can' December they seem to have gone for we frnally go to the United Nations.if we sleep. Then suddenly Mr. Dinesh Singh think the Situation qoes not improve and was catapulted mto the situation. I don't constitutes. a threat to peace of our region? know why. His style perhaps IS that of dinner diplomacy. But melodrama IS not As far as Intervention is concerned I am diplomacy and a sudden brainwave does Inclined against thiS because we have got not amount to statesmanship. to look into the possible reaction and the impact on all our neighbourhood. But I We need experience, We need the may recall that international law and the vision, we need the knowledge that comes history of international relations is not over a sustained effort and a continuous devoid of examples when situations have exercise. We have been changing horses arisen compelling powers to i~ in mid-stream and I am not therefore sur- militarily. For example. let me recall to prised that over a period of time we are you the situation in Armania. The lOSing effectiveness and also our credibit- Massacre which led the whole of the Euro- ity with both sides. pean powers to -intervene in Turkey in order to save people who were also threa- I must quote what Mr. Jayawardene is tened with extinction and annihilation. We reported to have told somebody. "Now I have, of course, the example of Bangla- feel like Sunny Gavaskar.lndiahassentsix desh. But the Bangladesh situation is not bowlers, one after another, and I am still on all fours with the situation in Sri Lanka not out". He seems to gloat over the situa- for one reason that the whole vast majority tion. But what we need today is to set our of Bangladesh people had risen in revolt OWn house in order. Let us have a firm and had formed the Government. That 199 Disc. re: situation MAY 11, 1987 in Sri Lanka 200

[Shri Syed Shahabuddln] the last chance There IS no reason why our diplomacy should miss It Government we had recognised and it is to the assistance of that Government that we Now what shoultf then In my view India had rushed into Bangladesh. do now? I am not one of those who would say we should throw all caution and res- PROF. N. G. RANGA (Guntur): Even train to the Wind because we shall be mis- then Pakistan invaded us. taken for cowards otherwise. , am not one of those but I would stili suggest to you In SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: And also very clear and emphatiC terms that time that Pakistan had committed the foolish- has come that consldenng the totality of ness of attacking some of our airfields. Well the sItuatIon and consldenng the brutality I do not want to put Jayawardene on par to of what IS happening on the Sn Lanka SOil commit that foolishness. today, consldenng ItS long-term threat to our own area you must very clearly stand up Now because I said I am inclined against and say you shall revIew your polley military Intervention for the moment towards Sn Lanka In reviewing the policy, because I still feel that there IS a ray of you shall not foreclose any optIons Then, hope. I read the statement of the Sri Lanka you should appeal for an Immediate cease- minister, Mr Dissanayake today. He has, fire to be followed by lifting by the Sn of course, a brief. But reading between the Lankan Government of all forms of eco- lines I sense a certain signal. He says Sri nomIc blockade, thIS fuel embargo and Lanka wants to hnd a political solution. what not and an Immediate induction of an Now this is a round about-turn from what InternatIonal Red Cross persons In the Mr. Jayawardene had stated a few days light of the March 12 Resolution of the UN ago. Secondly, they are willing to nego- CommIssion on Human RIghts to which a" tiate with the Tamil militants. Thirdly, Sri of us are a party Lanka still stands by December, 19 proposals. Now you put these three elements Then, the third leg of that WIll be once together which are interspersed through that situation gets stabilised, the negotia- that statement. I have not seen the text of it. tIons must be reviewed on the baSIS of 19th I have got it from the newspaper report. December 1986 proposals I do not think This gives me a ray of hope. that the 19th December proposals are the last words 'do not think that even Mr SHAI P. KOLANDAIVELU: He has also Natwar Singh would claim that But surely stated referring to reports about foreigners that IS a working baSIS for finding an accep- training Sri Lanka sotdlers. That is also table and satisfactory solution In whIch the there. You go through the statement. autonomy of the Tamil people of Sri Lanka can be guaranteed It meens their cultural rights, their SOCial rights. their political SHAI SYED SHAHABUDDIN I am only rights can be guaranteed And I would referring to the POSSibility of a solution I think It would be a sad day If everything have read all that broke down on the simple thing whether there shall be one Tamil provInce or two As I said reading between the lines and Tamil provinces Intersperse through the statement I find these three stgnals These three Signals taken together constitute a certain Sir, time has come for us, Mr. Deputy glimmer of hope, that IS to say, If we now Speaker, to put Sri Lanka on notice. If they come In there IS a POSSibility that we can do not listen to us. If1hey do not respond to perhaps again bnng the two Sides back to our appeal. we must make it clear that we the conference table. If there IS a slightest are in a pOSition to exert whatever influ- chance and this to my mind IS absolutely ence we can bilaterally as weir as multllat- 201 Disc. Re: situation VAISAKHA 21, 1909 (SAKA) in Sri Lanka 202

erally in order to stop a problem from of the diplomatiC process of a graduated assuming more grim direction. response to a worsening situation?

Sir, we can stop export of materials Mr. Deputy Speaker, this is our area. We which we are still unfortunately sending to have a responsibility. India is central to Sri L.:anka, which has a military potential. South Asia. We shall not permit in our part Why can't we stop the export of buses and of the world freedom to be knocked out. trucks? Why can .. we have gone on a We shall not permit human spirit to be sup- humanitarian mission supply and tell Sri pressed. We shall not permit Sri Lanka Lanka that th·is embargo con- Tamils to be decimated and subjugated. tinues when you do not listen to us, that we We shall see to it that justice will prevail. shall supply food, fuel and medicines to that peace will dawn and the green island the diseased people, that we are capable of shall smile again. Thank you very much. cutting off air and shipping links, that we shall mobilise world public opinion on the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The debate question of genocide? will continue tomorrow. The House stands adjourned to reassemble tomorrow at Finally, Sir, we shall not stand in the way 11.00 A.M. of those who are prepared to sacrifice 18.19 hrs. themselves and to participate in the liberation struggle of the Tamil people. In order The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven to back up what we say, we mean, can't we of the Clock on Tuesday, May 12. hold a few naval exercises off the Sri Lanka 19871Vaisakha 22, 1909 (Saka). coast in the Bay of Bengal? Isn'1 that a part

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