Jaswant Singh is already present in the House; he will [Translation] speak. (Interruptions) SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI : It has happened SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI : It is a question of many times that the discussion has been held for more 15 crore people of Uttar Pradesh. It will not be tackled time than allotted... (Interruptions) m this way. I must speak... (Interruptions) [English] SHRI RAM KIRPAL YADAV : Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, we have to go, therefore please take any decision. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please sit down SHRI SYED MASUDAL HOSSAIN : Mr. Deputy [Translation] Speaker. Sir, they are shouting without any reason. Jaswantji, do you want to say Please call their leaders and talk to them. something?.. .(Interruptions) PROF. RASA SINGH RAW AT (Ajmer) ; Mr. Deputy [Englishj Speaker, Sir, keeping in view the feelings of the hon. Members of Uttar Pradesh and the people of Uttar MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please allow him to Pradesh, please allow him to speak ...(Interruptions) speak.. .(Interruptions) dictatorship cannot prevail here. [Translation] SHRI BHAGWAN SHANKAR RAWAT (Agra) : Mr. SHRI JAGATVIR SINGH DRONA (Kanpur) : It is on Deputy Speaker, Sir, they are not allowing us to speak. record that you have discussed the issued for six hour This kind of discrimination will not ...(Interruptions). 60 for which only two hours were allotted... (Interruptions) The people of Uttar Pradesh are being exploited... (Interruptions). The people of the State are [English] being supperessed. Had it happened in any other MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House stands State, violent incidents could have taken place adjourned for fifteen minutes. there...(Interruptions) The democracy as well as the people of the largest State of India are being 15.17 hrs. mocked... (Interruptions) The Lok sabha then adjourned till thiry-two minutes MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have a suggestion to past fifteen of the clock. give. I shall invite hon. George Fernandes to speak. Other party leaders may decide as to how much time they would take. If it is possible, please do it ...(Interruptions) 15.32 hrs. SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ : Sir, what is The Lok Sabha re-assembled at Thirty Two Minutes happening here... (Interruptions) Had the chance been past Fifteen of the Clock. given to Hon. MLAs of Uttar Pradesh the situation of (Shri Chitta Basu in the Chair) President Rule would not have come. Due to their excess, the elected MLAs of Uttar Pradesh have not been able to attend the Assembly, so far. Atleast give STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE: APPROVAL OF us opportunity to speak today, so that we can express PROCLAMATION BY PRESIDENT IN RELATION our views about the sorrows and sufferings of the TO THE STATE OF UTTAR PRADESH - CONTD. people and newly elected MLAs of Uttar Pradesh and injustice done to our party there.. .(Interruptions) [English] MR. CHAIRMAN : Hon. Members, to begin with, I PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT : Mr. Deputy Speaker, want to make an earnest appeal to you all. Without Sir, on the one hand, the hon. MLAs of Uttar Pradesh your cooperation, the House cannot be conducted were not given opportunity to form the Government and properly. Every hon. Member has got a right to speak, on the other hand due to dicratorial attitude, we are not being allowed to speak ...(Interruptions) subject to certain limits. Now, it has been decided that the hon. Home [English] Minister will reply to this debate at 4.30 p.m. Some hon. SHRI SRIKANTA JENA : Sir, I just wjmt to repond Members, particularly those belonging to certain parties to one point of the BJP’s allegation. In the BAC, the who have not yet spoken, would be allowed to speak leader of the BJP was present, when the time for this I again request you to kindly extend your cooperation. discussion was decided as four hours... (Interruptions) there is a limit to everything... (Interruptions) This is not Now, Shri George Ferandes. Kindly remember the the way ...(Interruptions) time limit. [Translation] reasons. Article 356 had been used for SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES (Nalanda) : Mr political reasons and not for any Chairman, Sir, I am on my legs to oppose the resolution administrative reasons. This is an experience moved by the hon. Minister of Home Affairs and the of the application of Article 356. It has been discussion on which has been going on for the last used indiscriminately against political three days. The first thing is that, in my opinion, the oppcnents in West Bengal. We have been decision taken by the hon. Governor and the Union victm ,s in Kerala; we have been victims in Government is unconstitutional and in contradiction to Orissr.. Then people have been victims in Article 356 of the Constitution. 1 know that it has been UP, Haryana and what not...” discussed here to some extent but I felt unhappiness [Translation] when our respected colleague, Shri Somnath ji stood to support this resolution. When emergency was imposed He further says. under Article 356, Shri Somnath Chatterjee had [ E nglish / launched an extraordinary movement, so that the situation leading to Emergency could not be created “Article 356 is very antithesis of a federal structure of Government in this country. They again and under the same movement when a cannot really go together." Constitution Amendment Bill was introduced in the House in 1978, he delievered a well worded speech Either they cannot or Somnathbabu, sometimes and presented the best arguments for removal of Article they can. 356.Today, I am saying it with a heavy heart because [Translationj when a person like him, steps back, due to some I have gone through your full speech and I shall reasons, from such a role he had selected for himself comment on it in the end of my speech but we had not by delivering a nice speech with best arguments, then expected this of him because today it is not the question our faith in many things is lost and we become puzzled as to who will form the Government in Uttar Pradesh as to how we would be able to maintain the Democracy and who will not or who is in power in West Bengal and for which he had given thrust in his speech. who is not. This case will always be considered as a standard because the Government changes after some Perhaps Somnathji might be remembering that time and once this tradition is established in the House, when a resolution regarding not using Article 356 for it seems very difficult to think today as to what more than 6 months period and after that for a further repercussion will it cast on them tomorrow. He further period of 6 months period and under no circumstance says. it would be used after a period of one year, was brought, then he had, through an amendment, sought to reduce [English] 6 month’s period to 3 months and further 6 month's ‘If a political party in power loses its majority period to 3 months and in no case Article 356 should or if there is uncertainty in the Government be used for more than a total period of 6 months. It is at the Centre, thee is no provision for necessary today to remember those arguments which President’s rule. Then, why should you take he uttered in favour of his Amendment. I am not saying States of second class political entity? Now, so to remind him but it is necessary to remind the in the present context, we have seen different House of those arguements because these things are political parties ruling different States in the worth remembering. country. There is no protection whatsoever Somnath Babu put his Amendment and the next against political misapplication of Article 356 day discussion was held on the Bill in the House. It is so far as a particular State is concerned. not needed that the House should be reminded of his Therefore, we have suggested that in cases entire speech but since most of the Members of the where only elections cannot be held, then, time of 1978, are not the Members at present and new for three months, there can be a sort of Members have taken their place, they should know as interregnum only to allow the elections to be to what for they are required to vote. The hon. Members held” . of this House should know as to on which resolution our oldest and the most revered hon Minister of Home [Translation] Affairs is asking for vote. Somnath Babu gives the The day before yesterday, he opposed all these reason of this opposition and he says. points on the basis of Sarkaria Commission. Mr. Chairman Sir, they have tried to find out new “The position is that starting from 1959 and interpretation of Article 356. Further he says: during the great leadership of Congress, of Shrimati Indira Gandhi, by machinations of “We can allow to that extent but we would be the Centre and not because of any bonafide happy if article 356 altogether goes. Due to the overbearing attitude of the Centre, they seems that his whole argument is a personal can stifle State Governments in a different attack ..(Interruptions) manner not only in respect of political and MR. CHAIRMAN . Kindly sit down, Constitutional power but there is also economic strangulation of different State [Translationj Governments in this country. SHRI J AI PRAKASH (HISSAR) : Somnath ji, you Article 356 cannot go side by side with the federal were also the Member of that Government. structure ot our country. We are clear about this. The people of this country are convinved about this. Article SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES : Mr. Chairman.