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DISCLAIMER Uno cial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an uno cial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The nal edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Mabuse M. Pule, MP. (Mochudi East)

Clerk of the National Assembly - Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel - Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) - Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. (Molepolole South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. (Mogoditshane) - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Development Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

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RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP. Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-Gweta Hon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. Thamaga-Kumakwane Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of the Opposition) Maun West Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. (Acting Opposition Whip) Shoshong Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP Mahalapye East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. K. C. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. Tonota Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. Ghanzi South Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South TABLE OF CONTENTS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 8 DECEMBER, 2020

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QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 19-25

Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 2020 (No. 14 of 2020) Second Reading (Resumed Debate)...... 1-18, 26-53

PRESENTATION OF GOVERNMENT BILLS Local Government (Amendment) Bill, 2020 (No. 24 of 2020) First Reading...... 25

Sex Offenders Registry Bill (Amendment) Bill, 2020 (No. 22 of 2020 First Reading...... 26

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Tuesday 8th December, 2020 di na mosola. Batho ba ne ba tlhopha rona,” we cannot be saying these things. Maabane ke ne ke bua about go THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. lebala kwa re tswang teng gore we collapsed because (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) of this structure. We were able to be resurrected. These were the kind of issues I was speaking to. A e se ka ya re P R A Y E R S re setse re gorogile mo Palamenteng, re tshwere mahura, re bo re re, “re tlile ka borona, batho ba tlhopha rona,” * * * * nnyaa. We know very well the importance of political MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Order! parties, so, let us stick to that. Honourable Members, good morning. Let us start As per our Constitutional dispensation, this Bill e setse our business of today with the Second Reading of the e tswa kwa Ntlong ya Dikgosi. Any Constitutional Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 2020 (No. 14 of 2020). Amendment Borara bo tshwanetse bo e lebe. Ba utlwe CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL, dikakanyo tsa batho gore tsa reng. Ba buisa diphuthego, ba kopana le batho kgapetsakgapetsa, so, ba setse ba 2020 (NO. 14 OF 2020) buile maikutlo a bone. Jaanong re a bona gore Batswana Second Reading ka go farologana ba atla mogopolo o. Ba lapisitswe ke go tlhola go iwa kwa, go boiwa kwa, go iwa kwa, go (Resumed Debate) lebiwa kwa. Freedom of association e o neng o bua ka yone Honourable Tshere, this thing does not in any way MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, impede freedom of expression. Le kamoso fela Bill e se the debate on this Bill is resuming. When the House na go feta, you can leave the Botswana Congress Party adjourned yesterday, Honourable Mangwegape-Healy (BCP), you are allowed. The only thing that stopping was on the floor debating and he was left with 10 you is e re o tlhophilwe ka ticket ya UDC, o bo o minutes 39 seconds. tsamaya ka yone. You are allowed to do what you want jaanong, a re se ka ra leka gore re tshameke ka mafoko a MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY (GABORONE Sekgoanyana go tsietsa Batswana kwa malwapeng. CENTRAL): Thank you Mr Speaker and good LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): morning. Maabane fa re kgaogana fa, ke ne ke santse ke Point of procedure. Tanki Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, e ka bua gore molao o, o thatafatsa diphathi le boeteledipele tswa e se procedure e re e dumalaneng rotlhe mme e le jwa diphathi. Jaaka ke ne ke bua le bakaulengwe ba bua, tsamaiso ya bangwe ba rona. Maabane go kile ga bodiwa batho ba tlhopha diphathi. mme ga nna gore re ipeetse nako. Go ne ga supafala Honourable Tshere, ke ne ke santse ke araba wena ka gore go botlhokwa gore go buiwe ka bophara. Ke re, ke kgang ya to strengthen political parties. I want to give go tsibose jaana gore bagarona ka kwano ba phathi e e you an example why it is important for political parties busang, e re fa ba bua, ba gakologelwe gore re dumalane to be empowered. Ke baya sekai ka lona le le Umbrella jang. O se ka wa tloga wa gakgamala Mr Speaker fa ba for Democratic Change (UDC); you had a situation e e bua mo nakong e e kwa tlase ga e e buiwang. Re lebile leng gore one of the leaders of the component of the UDC business ya Ntlo e gore e ntsi go le kae, gape batho ba did not have a constituency. The gentleman was all over batla go bua thata mo go yone. Ke go itsise jaana gore re lefatshe le lotlhe. A batla kwa a ka emang teng because dumalane gore rona re tlaa bua 10 minutes e le voluntary your political party, being an umbrella formation, seeks gore re tlogelele ba bangwe nako gore ba bue. Ke yone to bring together different parties. You had a situation e ke batlang go ema ka yone Mr Speaker gore, bagarona e e leng gore the other contracted parties sacrificed for ba phathi e e busang ka kwano, ba gakologelwe gore re the good of the organisation such that one political party dumalane ka 10 minutes. Ga re re ope a bue jalo, go tlaa traded its rightful constituency to enable the leader of tswa mo go yo o batlang. I thank you Mr Speaker. one of the components gore a bone kgaolo. Le ba ga MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr bone tota had blocked, le kwa a neng a goletse teng bo Speaker. Ke batla go tswelela fela ka go supa gore batho Sticks ba ne ba sa batle go reetsa le fa e le sepe. Ba sa bagarona, ke batho ba… batle to give an inch. Jaanong, we must be cognisant of these things. Fa re setse re gorogile mo Palamenteng, e MR TSHERE: Procedure. Tanki Honourable bo e le gore ra re, “re tlile ka borona, political parties ga Speaker and thank you very much. Honourable Healy

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is challenging gore molao o, ga o gotlhagotlhane le ne ba e lebeletse gore ga e ka ke ya gotlhagotlhana le Section 13 of the Constitution. Honourable Speaker, ope. Ke yone tsamaiso fa molao o dirwa, go lebelelwa re ise re tswelele thata kwa pele, re timetsa setšhaba, gore a ga o gotlhagotlhane le o mongwe. I thank you Mr gongwe re kope opinion ya ga Parliamentary Counsel a Speaker. re tlhalosetse ka kgang e. Ke a leboga Speaker. MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr MR SPEAKER: Ke eng wena o sa tlhalose pele ga re Speaker. Honourable Tshere, ke ne ke itheile ka re you ka kopa Legal Counsel? What is out of procedure? learnt something at the 2014 elections you had the freedom not to be in the UDC… MR TSHERE: Ke letse ke tlhalositse maabane. Gakere o ne a nkaraba… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR SPEAKER: Tlhalosa, ke ne ke seyo maabane. MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: I will give you just now sir …and then you suffered the consequences of MR TSHERE: …(Laughter!)… Thank you Honourable being outside for the UDC. Freedom of Association e ne Speaker. Maabane fa ke dira my submission fa, ke ne ke e le teng, mme le ne la bona the consequences tsa yone, re go na le Section 13 e e buang gore, “you have freedom that is what I am speaking to, that is what this law is for, to associate and disassociate.” Fa e le gore re dira molao gore fa o solofetsa batlhophi sengwe, o bo o se fetogela, re re when you disassociate go raya gore o tseelwa there will be consequences. This is what this law seeks dithata dingwe tsa go etelela batho pele, golo moo o to address. kare go gotlhagotlhana le molao o. Ke ne ke re fa e le gore nna le Healy we hold an opposing view, perhaps we ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL can seek an independent opinion of the Parliamentary AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC Counsel. Thank you Honourable Speaker. ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Clarification. Thank you Mr Speaker. Rre Healy, ke ne MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! I do not think you need ke re o ba tlhalosetse gore kana fa re ka dumalana mo opinion of a Legal Counsel. You understand very well Palamenteng gore Constitution should be amended, the what freedom of association means. As I understand you amendment e tlaabo e nna part ya Molaomotheo wa Honourable Tshere, you can do whatever you like. You Botswana. Jaanong ditshetlana tsotlhe tsa Molaomotheo are free to join, to disjoin and you can go anywhere you wa Botswana di a lekalekana, ga go na e e fetang e nngwe, want. I do not see anywhere in this Bill where it says, ga o ka ke wa re ka gore Section 10 ya riana, Section you cannot do that anymore and you cannot do what 11 ya riana, jaanong Section 11 is unconstitutional. you like anymore. You are free to do that but there are Tsotlhe di a lekalekana, re tshwanetse gore re di tseye consequences when you do that. If you are afraid of the ka tekatekano, di tlaabo di re ama rotlhe le mapolotiki, consequences, you are free to go on top of this thing di le constitutional. Ke gore any section ya Constitution and jump, you will die or break your leg. Because you is constitutional because there is a growing norm upon are afraid of breaking your leg, you are not going to go which we should derive any validity. Thank you Mr there and jump… Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Honourable Mthimkhulu, nnyaa ke lemogile gore MR SPEAKER: Yes! You can climb there, jump and Ambassador Kapinga ga a yo ka kwa, so obviously tsa break your leg. Jaanong fa o tshaba go robega leoto, molao di ka nna tsa ba sokodisa ka gore mogolole ga a wa re ga o na freedom? Counsel, kgang ke eo, gatwe yo kwa go nna a ba tlhalosetsa. Dikgosi; in the history tlhalosa. of Botswana mo ditlhophong, ga go na Kgosi e e kileng ya emela ditlhopho e bo e jewa. That is for a reason, LEARNED PARLIAMENTARY COUNSEL Batswana identify with the structure. Fa... (MS MOKGOSI): Thank you Honourable Speaker. Honourable Speaker, o e tlhalositse fela sentle DR GOBOTSWANG: Point of clarification. Tanki Mr gore freedom e teng, ditlamorago tsa yone ke tse o Speaker, tanki motlotlegi. Ka gore ke utlwa a tsena mo tshwanetseng go ka lebagana le tsone. So molao o o go e nngwe, gongwe o re fetise ka e gore wa reng ka tlisiwang o, tota is not in contravention of Section 13, batho ba ba emelang ditlhopho ka gore la re le lela thata even the ones who drafted it and the policy makers, ba ka dikeletso le maikutlo a batlhophi, ba bo ba ganwa ke

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batlhophi, ba bo ba tlisiwa mo Palamenteng ka dikgoka tse di fokotsegang. It is proven scientifically gore fa ba tla ba nna fa, ba bangwe e bile e nna Matona? Wa dingwaga di ntse di tsamaya, bo go utlwa jaana, they get reng ka thulaganyo e mabapi le maikutlo a batho le impaired. So I am not in any way trying to say anything. dikeletso tsa bone rraetsho? So, a re tswe mo go eo.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Dr Se ke neng ke se bua Dr Gobotswang, ke batla re boela Gobotswang. Ke gore fa ke lebile nako, ga ke na nako ya kwa kgannyeng ele, ke gore fa o ne o bua gore wena; go e araba sentle, mme fela e letse e arabilwe maabane. you were pluralising, o ne o sa re nna, o ne o re re, Tlaya ke go bolelele gore ka reng ka e nngwe, maloba jaanong fa go bua wena as the shadow Vice President, o ne o le fa o bua gore lona kwa go Kgosi Kgolo le a ja, go na le maemonyana a mantlwane a bo shadow; you le mo kgannyeng ya go ja; your words. Jaanong ke batla are the shadow Vice President right? O eletsa go nna go boelela kgang e e reng, it is paramount gore re nne le fa Rre Tsogwane a leng teng. Fa go bua Vice President molao wa floor crossing pele ga re tsena kwa go wa go wa mokgatlho, you are a very senior figure within the baakanya Constitution, ka gore go na le Mapalamente opposition movement. If you say ‘rona,’ my assumption is ba ba itshupile gore ba mo dikgannyeng tsa go ja. Fa o o raya lona ka koo; lotlhe ba kganetso, borre Saleshando, na le Mapalamente ba ba leng mo dikgannyeng tsa go ja, Hikuama, wa re le kwa go Kgosikgosi go ja. Jaanong go raya gore yo o tlang a tshotse brief case a mo raya a golo mo go a tshwenya fa re lebile Constitutional re, rra, a reye ka fa, o ya go dira jalo. Jaanong ga re ka ke review ka gore mafatshe a le mantsi a fisitswe e bile a ra itetlelela gore re bo re le mo seemong se e leng gore... phutlhamisitswe ke go ja. A teng mo kgaolong ya rona ya borwa jwa Africa, a a humileng, mme ga a a huma DR GOBOTSWANG: Point of procedure. Ke a leboga ka gore a lebile go ja. Jaanong Dr Gobotswang, we Mr Speaker. Ke a utlwa kwa Honourable Member a cannot under any circumstances allow a comprehensive tsamayang ka teng, ke tsaya gore o bua fela ka gore Constitutional review when we have politicians who Honourable Balopi ga a yo fa, ka ke ene motho wa gore clearly state gore kwa ba leng teng ba etse go ja. Golo ke nako ya bone ya go ja! Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. mo go ka tsenya lefatshe le mo diphatseng.

MR SPEAKER: There is no procedure there. Ke batla go bua ka Magosi. Mo lefatsheng la Botswana, Magosi a le mantsi a emetse ditlhopho, mme I stand to MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Nnyaa, gone ke be corrected, but as I recall, there is no Kgosi who has a tlhaloganya, kana Dr Gobotswang ke mogolwane, ever lost elections, and that is very telling. Go re bontsha dingwaga di fetile, o kgona gore a se ka a nkutlwa gore batho ba ga rona identify with an institution; they sentle fa ke bua. Tlaya ke ipoeletse, Honourable Dr identify with something. Kgosi e a bo e sa tlhophiwe ka Gobotswang, ke ne ke re, kgang ya maloba o e bua, go gore ke semangmang, o a bo tlhophiwa ka gore he is the supa... symbol ya morafe oo. I am sure Magosi a le mantsi fa e ne e le bone fela, ba ka bo ba itswetse fela. Honourable MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi procedure ya Baratiwa Mathoothe tsala ya me e tona, ke tsaya gore eng? o a itse le wena gore fa e ne e se ka mong wa rona, MR MMOLOTSI: Point of procedure. Mr Speaker, ga Kgosi Kgolo, Seretse Khama Ian Khama, Phuti, o ka ke tseye gore re ka dirisa Palamente e gore re se ka ra bo o se fa o leng teng fa. Jaanong I would be surprised buisa bagolo sentle, jaaka Honourable Healy a bua gore if I hear you tomorrow o re go tlile wena, re ntse re itse Honourable Gobotswang kana dingwaga di ile, jaanong gore kwa ga Mmangwato ba ne ba sireletsa mong wa go raya gore gongwe kana motho fa a ntse a gola, ga go bone ka go go tlhopha. Jaanong the fact of the matter sa tlhole go utlwiwa sentle. I think ridiculing bagolo, is batho ba tlhopha diphathi. To this day, we have never kana ga a reye Honourable Gobotswang fela, o sotla had with the exception of Honourable Modubule, who I bagolo kwa ntle kwa setšhabeng. Ka tsela e e ntseng am led to believe o tlhophilwe ke maBotswana National jalo, ke ne ke re mo Palamenteng, sa rona ke go sireletsa Front (BNF) because he was a member o ba neng ba bagolo ba rona, go na le go ba tlaopa Mr Speaker. dumela gore o kobilwe go sa nna sentle. I am yet to see a member right here a sa amanngwe le polotiki epe, gotwe MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr ke independent candidate a bo a fenya. I thank you sir. Speaker. Nnyaa, ga ke tlaope bagolo Honourable Mmolotsi, ke bua ka nature, gore fela ka tsamaiso ya MS MONNAKGOTLA (KGALAGADI NORTH): tlhago, fa dingwaga di ntse di tsamaya, go nna le dingwe Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, and good morning. Ke ema

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jaana go ema Tshutiso e nokeng. E bile ke leboge batho gago o re jaanong ke kgaoganya dipapadisanyo? ba Kgalagadi North go bo ba tlhophile Mopalamente wa Domkrag, ba tlhophile Talita Monnakgotla a emetse DR GOBOTSWANG: On a point of clarification. Domkrag, e bile e le motho wa mme... Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi wa Kgalagadi North. Kana o ratile go wela sentle. Ke ne ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. re o tlaa wela o ipotsa potso ya gore mme fa go ka tliwa ka molao gore fa batho ba tsene mo lenyalong ga ba MR SPEAKER: O batla go emela Domkrag? tswe, o bo o bua o re mme fa e le gore o a tswa, ga o tle HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ke ne ke re ke go go nyala gape. Ke gore ga le tsene le tsene, le lotlelelwa thuse fela Mr Speaker, go ne gotwe ba fiwa 10 minutes, mo teng, ga go na yo o tswang, jaaka party e batla go jaanong ba ba mo file 20. lotlelela lenyalo la motho le party eo. Wa reng ka kgang eo Honourable Member? MR SPEAKER: Go tilwe bone ba tlaa ipha 10 minutes. It is not a rule of this House, ke ya bone. That is why I MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke ne ke bua ka divorce. did not make any ruling on your comments. Ke mathata Fa o setse o nyetse, kana fa o le mo lenyalong, go na a bone. le gore le tswelele le ye go swa mmogo, go na le gore mo tseleng, le bo le kgaogana. Jaanong Tshutiso e ke MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. e tshwantshanya le fa o ntse o tsweletse o kgaogana le Ke tswelele jaana ke re, Puso e ya ga Domkrag, ya ga mokapelo wa gago. Fa o kgaogana le ene, boela kwa Motlotlegi Tautona Masisi ke ya morero, e tlhokana botsading le baetsana ba gago gore ga ke sa tlhole ke na le one, e bile o re o rutile. Tshutiso e e ntseng jaana, e le dipapadisanyo le yo ke neng ke mo nyetse. Jaanong tshwanetse gore e rerwe fa o tsena mo Ditshutisong tse se tsamaye ka tlhopho fela, ga go nke go dirwa jalo. O a rera fa o tlhala. Ke sone se ke reng Tshutiso e e tshwana di ntseng jaana. Ke bua jaana ka gore fa o tlhophilwe ke le lenyalo ka gore e na le morero, e tshwanetse go nna batho, mme fa o tswa o tsaya tshwetso e sele, o rere le le one. batho ba ba go tlhophileng jaaka re le mo phathing yone ya morero. O bolelele ba ba neng ba go tlhopha gore Jaanong fa o tswa mo phathing o ya kwa kwa go e jaanong ke a tswa mo phathing e ke ya kwa go e sele. Ga nngwe, tsamaya o boele kwa go bone o dire jalo. Mo se selo se se siameng. Tshutiso e ke ka e bitsa gore tota lenyalong le gone fa o sena go kgaogana le mokapelo o a bo o tsietsa motlhophi, o sia ka tlhopho ya gagwe. wa gago, fa o ya go batla yo mongwe gape, o ya go O a bo o tsietsa motlhopi a go tlhophile ka lorato, a go simolola sesha. O ya go boa o saenelwa ke motsadi, baetsana bale ba simolola gape. Jaanong Tshutiso e ke e tsentse foo ka o a bo o tsile kwa go ene o kopa tlhopho tshwantshanya le lenyalo, fa e simologile fa, fela jaaka o ya ga Domkrag, o kopela Motlotlegi Tautona Masisi tlhala, simolola sesha. Ya kwa motsading wa bobedi fela tlhopho o le Mopalamente. Jaanong ke dilo tse di sa jaaka kwa go wa ntlha, tsaya steps tse o neng o di tsaya siamang. mo go wa ntlha, tsena mo go tsa bobedi. Ke sone se o E rile fa ke ntse ke tsamaya ke kopa tlhopho jalo, ke bonang ke e tshwantshanya le lenyalo. ne ke dirisa maitlamo one a party ya ga Domkrag, ke dirisa symbol le party. Ke ne ke sa re ke kopela Talita Batlhophi ba tshwanetse go rerisiwa. Ga e ka ke ya re Monnakgotla tlhopho, ke ne ke re ke kopela Domkrag ke le Talita Monnakgotla ke tlhophilwe ke Domkrag le Motlotlegi Tautona Masisi tlhopho gore a tle a kwa Kgalagadi North, fa ke tswa ke ya kwa phathing e etelele lefatshe la Botswana kwa pele jaaka a le eteletse nngwe ke bo ke sa boele kwa bathong go bua le bone, ga gompieno. ke ba direle sentle. Ke tshwanetse go ya go ba bolelela. Ke ema nokeng Tshutiso e e reng simolola sesha gape. Tshutiso e ke e tshwantshanya le lenyalo jaana; o le motho Ba bone gore ba tsaya tshwetso efe gore le bone re ba o nyetswe, go na le motsadi le kwa diofising tse ditona direle sentle go bona gore ka re ne re go tlhophile o le di go saenelang gore o a nyala mme nako e o tlhalang, Domkrag, a re boa gape re e tsenya. Go tswa mo go o ya kwa botsading gape o re ke kgaogana le mosadi bone, se ba tseele tshwetso. A ba itseele tshwetso fela kana rre yo. O a bo o ile gape kwa botsading le baetsana jaaka e rile ba go tlhopha, ba bo ba e itseetse. A re se ka ba gago ba ba neng ba go nyadisa. Jaanong go palang ra tseela batlhophi ditshwetso. Ke selo se se sa nnang gape gore e re fa o kgaogana le party e e go tsentseng sentle. mo lenyalong leo, o boele kwa botsading le baetsana ba

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Dilo tse re le Mapalamente le Makhanselara a re di le tlaa botsa batho. Le maDomkrag a e neng e ka nna lebelele. A re se ka ra tsietsa batlhophi ka gore fa re batsadi ba lona ba ka le gakolola, le ka tsaya botlhale mo tsena mo go bone re ipapatsa, re bantle, a re tswelele go bone, ga le ba reetse. Ke gore le batho ba ba ntseng ka jone. A re se ka ra ba direla bosula. Ke dilo tse di jang? Dilo tse gare le di ele tlhoko gore, e-e! fa o bona sa nnang sentle, e bile re tlhoka boammaaruri mo go jaanong le huralela le botsadi jwa lona, o itse gore le bone. Ke selo se gotlhelele go sa nnang sentle. Ke sone dule mo tseleng gotlhelele. se o bonang e re fa o dule ka tlhopho ya batho o ya go ema ka party e nngwe, ba bo ba sa go tseye. Ke dilo tse Rraetsho, ga ke oshaoshe, ka re molao o o kgatlhanong di diragalang ka gore bone ba ne ba batla party ele e le Chapter 2 of the Constitution, Section 13 e e ba e tsentseng. Jaanong a re direleng batlhophi ba rona tlhamaletseng e bua ka right of association, gore motho sentle, re se ka ra ba direla se e seng sone. o na le tshwanelo ya go ipatlela gore o batla party efe. Kgang eo ke yone e e botlhokwa. Jaanong fa motho a na Ka a le kalo, ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa le tshwanelo ya gore, ke batla go tsena mo Domkrag, le Palamente. bo le re, re go tseela tshwanelo eo, ka molao, golo mo ga go a siama. Dilo tse ga re le di tlhaloganye, le itse gore MR RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): Ke a leboga Mr fa re dira molao, re dira o o ntseng jang. Speaker. Mr Speaker, ke ema jaana ke re molao o o beilweng fa pele ga rona o tlhabisa ditlhong ka gore Molao o… mmei wa one e rile fa a o bua, a re go kile ga nna le Motion wa ga Mma Kokorwe ka ngwaga wa 1998. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. Jaanong o ka ipotsa gore ke eng dingwaga tse di kanakana e le gone re thanyang mo borokong, re tla ka MR SPEAKER: Procedure Honourable Makwinja. mogopolo o o saleng o beilwe, o tletse lerole on shelves. MR RAMOGAPI: O a e itse procedure Mma Selo santlha Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse ra tsaya golo Makwinja? moo e le matlhabisa ditlhong a a kwa godimo fela thata. MR SPEAKER: Ga re itse. Selo sa bobedi; re tshwanetse go itse gore ba kganetso ka sengwe sebaka ba kile ba re babusi kana ga le dire ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION sentle, le nnetse go oka batho fela ka posts, ba bangwe (MS MAKWINJA): On a point of procedure. Ke a le fa go sena posts e le lodge gotwe tlaya kwa go rona leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Rre Ramogapi. A Rre re tlaa hirisa lodge ya gago, motho a bo a tsamaya. Dilo Ramogapi o ne a sa utlwe fa Parliamentary Counsel tse ke matlhabisa ditlhong gore gompieno a bo re tla re (PC) a tlhalosa gore molao o ga o kgatlhanong le tabogile o kare ke mogopolo o mosha, o ba busang ba Constitution? Thank you. ipelang ka one. MR RAMOGAPI: Ke boletse ka re, a o a bo a e itse? Tota boammaaruri jo re tshwanetseng go bo bua Mr Bona, golo fa Constitution Section 13 ya re motho o na Speaker ke gore, Domkrag e tshogile, e tshositswe fela le right of association. Jaanong ke eme jalo ke re tsi! A ke gore Botswana Patriotic Front (BPF) e tsenya khokho. mongwe motho a reng, o gakolola a reng, ke go bolelela Fa re le mo motshamekong, go na le mo gotweng banna ka fa ke tlhaloganyang ka teng. team e jaanong e tsenya khokho, ke gore le go gata e a gata. Teams tse di tshamekang rra tse di tlileng tsa UDC, Kgang e nngwe e e teng Mr Speaker, molao o o BPF le Alliance for Progressives (AP) di tsenya khokho kgatlhanong thata le the whole Electoral Act. Ke gore mo motshamekong. Jaanong fa re tsenya khokho mo Molao wa Ditlhopho otlhe fela fa o o kanoka, molao o motshamekong, ba garona they panic, ba re, a re thibeng re o tlisang o, o kgatlhanong le one. O kgatlhanong le ka molao. Bagaetsho, golo mo ga go dirwe jalo, le nne le one ka gore, selo sa ntlha Molao wa Ditlhopho o bua ka reetsa le bagolo ba lona ba Domkrag. candidate; moikopedi, motho yo o emang, gore motho yo will register for ditlhopho pele, a register a bo a Mogolo wa lona wa Domkrag ke tlaa mo nopola, e tsenngwa mo voters’ roll. Ga go na gope fa gotweng le Mokwaledi Mogolo wa pele yo o ntseng lebaka go tlaa tsenngwa leina la party. Gatwe o tlaa register Rraetsho Daniel Kwelagobe a re, “molao o o setlhogo, gore ke ya go tlhopha, when he or she has registered, ke wa bogateledi, ga o a siama. Tlogelang batho ba nne ke qualification ya gagwe gore, rra you have registered le right of association, le freedom of association,” a leka for ditlhopho. go le gakolola. Le rile le tlaa gakolola le gakololwa,

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Selo sa bobedi se e leng gore molao o re o akanyang o ba re ga ba bone maDomkrag, ba re le ba dirisitse. o kgatlhanong le Molao wa Ditlhopho ke gore, fa yo Gompieno jaana ba ba opelang, artists, ba a lela, ba re o emetseng party a ka jewa ke ditlhopho, wa re go ka maDomkrag ba re dirisitse botlhoko, re ne re ba opelela, ikuela motho yo o emetseng ditlhopho, e seng go ikuela re ba bapatsa, ba re ba ya go re tlhokomela, mme se party. MaDomkrag, bulegang matlho re le rute. Ka jalo, se botlhoko ke se, ba re huraletse. Le ka bo le tlisa ke ka moo le gompieno jaana maDomkrag ba setseng molao o o reng, fa e le gore party jaanong ga e diragatse morago maUDC ba the candidates ba ba neng ba pegile maitlamo a yone, re ka ya kwa ditlhophong gape, we dikgang kwa makgotleng a ditshekelo. Ga ba a sala can recall it. Batswana ba batla molao oo. Fa e le gore party epe morago, ba setse morago batho ba ba neng motho o koame fela ga a itse go ya kwa kgaolong, o ba ikuela kgatlhanong le gore ditlhopho ga di a tsamaya rile o tlaa dira koloi ya motlakase ga a e dire, o rile o sentle. Jaanong ra re molao o wa lona o… tlaa dira ditiro di le over 100 000 ga a di dire, Batswana ba re re batla gore e bo go iwa kwa ditlhophong gape HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… jaanong, re neela batho fresh mandate. E se ka ya nna MR RAMOGAPI: La re le batla madi mo go bone gore fela gore, nnyaa kana o tlaa nnela ruri dingwaga tse five. le tsholotse dikgang ka technicalities, le ganne di sekwa Jaanong ke ka moo re reng, a re di fetoleng tsotlhe, le le fitlha boferefere jo bo dirilweng. boneng le tse badiragatsi le ba events ba lelang ka tsone. Ba a lela ba re e-e! re batla go tlhopholola Domkrag, ga Selo sa boraro Mr Speaker, molao o gape o kgatlhanong e ka ke ya re tlela ka molao o, a ba re tlele ka wa gore ba le Molao wa Ditlhopho fa re bua ka kgang ya expenses, paletswe, re ye ditlhophong gape, re kgone go ba ntsha. gore o senyegetswe jang. Mo Molaong o wa Ditlhopho Ke kgang e ba e batlang, ba re go nne le power to recall o supa gore, ke le candidate ke tshwanetse ke supe Mopalamente kana e ka nna party. Ke tsone dikgang tse ditshenyegelo tsa me, gore ke senyegetswe jang. O bo re di batlang. o boa gape gotwe, mme kana fa go ka diragala gore ke se ka ka supa gore ke senyegetswe jang, se se ka Mr Speaker, kana batho ba ba a gakgamatsa. E rile fa ba diragalang ke gore ke ka tseelwa dikgato gone mo ya kwa ditlhophong, ba ne ba ikgantsha ba re ba ya go Palamenteng e, ka nna seolo fela ka se ka ka tlhopha, dira inclusivity le consultation; morero. ka se ka ka bua, ka se ka ka dira sepe. Ka lebaka la gore Ah! Mr Speaker, ke lantlha ke bona mo Palamenteng go lebeletswe candidate. Jaanong letsatsi la gompieno gotwe Constitution is being reviewed, go bo go raya Mr Speaker, fa o utlwa ke go raya ke re batho ba ke gore gore re e fitlha fela go le setu re tla re e baya gone fa re ke bo nkgata-ke-tlhamane, ke mathata, ba re tlisetsa re re tlisitse Constitution go e sekaseka. Molaomotheo molao o o kgatlhanong le melao e mengwe. Ke ka ga o dubadubiwe mo sephiring ke batho ba le 28 moo re emang fa re itsetsepela re re tsi! re le raya re re ba maDomkrag. Re tshwanetse go ka bo re ile kwa heelang! fa e ne e le sengwe, tlisang pele Constitution setšhabeng go tshwarwa Dikgotla meeting, re tsamaya ntlo le ntlwana gotwe bagaetsho, molao ke o le o bona yotlhe re e baakanye. Ke ka moo re le rayang re re, fa jang? e le sengwe baakanyang Molao wa Ditlhopho otlhe, e seng gore ka fa re bo re tsamaya ka kgang e gotweng MR MMOLOTSI: Clarification. Ke a leboga. Rre First-Past-The-Post, ka gore o kare le batla gore le re Ramogapi, a mme o bona go gakgamatsa gore ba bo ise kwa kgannyeng e e bitswang gotwe Proportional ba dira jaana re lebile gore nako le nako fa ba batla go Representation (PR). Jaanong ke e ka bo re ne re dirisa ikgotsofatsa, ba fetolela molao go ikgotsofatsa? Jaaka system ya PR, e party e nnang fa fatshe e bo e sekaseka, o tlaa gakologelwa nako e re neng re le kwa re neng re e bo e re re le Domkrag ra re kwa re tsenya Pule, kwa le teng nna le wena, ba ne ba fetola subsidiary laws tsa Majaga. Jaanong ga le a dira jalo. System e re e dirisang Sowa Township Authority (STA) gore ba tle ba kgone ke e motlhophi a tsenang, e bo gotwe fa o feta o fentse, go ya go tsenya… Kana melawana ya teng nako ya teng go ile fela jalo. Jaanong fa e le gore re batla gore re e ne e sa letle gore batho ba tswe kwa ntle ga kgaolo baakanye, a re fetoleng molao otlhe, re dire tsamaiso e ya Nata-Gweta. So, ba bo ba baakanya subsidiary ka yone motlhophi a tlaa nnang le lentswe ka tsela e e legislation gore ba tsenye Rre Allan Lekwape yo o neng ntseng jalo. a jelwe kwa Selebi Phikwe, Rre Mzwinila le Rre Kitso Seloma, ba ba neng ba tsewa fela kwa kgakala kwa. A o Kgang e nngwe e re tshwanelwang ke go e gakologelwa a gakgamala ka gore batho ba ba dira jalo dinako tsotlhe mo go yone tsamaiso e ke gore, re le ba UDC, re eletsa go ikgotsofatsa? gore le dire molao, o e leng gore… batlhophi ba a lela

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MR RAMOGAPI: Ke a leboga rra. Wena kana o ba MR SALESHANDO: Elucidation. Thank you Mr itse sentle Rre Wynter Mmolotsi. Re ba bitsa re re ke Speaker. Honourable Ramogapi o bua ka gore gatwe bonkuku, re tswa kwa go bone. Kana o itse gore fa o na go ka kgopisa batlhophi. Kgang e ke tsaya gore ke le nkukuago o a mo neneketsa o itse fela gore malatsi letse ke utlwile le Mopalamente Rre Autlwetse a e a gagwe a a bo a le gaufi. Jaanong malatsi a phathi ya bua. Go kgopisa batlhophi, go ba utlwisa botlhoko Domkrag a gaufi. Se o se buang rra go ntse fela jalo, gore ba bone motho ba mo tlhophile ka phathi e nngwe ba ga ba gakgamatse. Fela fa go tla gore ba dire se ba a bo a le mo Palamenteng a buelela e sele. Mo ga bo batlang go se dira, ba tlaa sokamisa molao gore go nne Specially Elected, ba tseega jang ba Serowe ba ganne se ba batlang go se dira. Se o se buang rraetsho, ke tlaa Rre Kgotla Autlwetse mo ditlhophong ba bo ba mmona boa ke go tlaleletsa ka gore fa o ka gakologelwa sentle, e mo Palamenteng a akgela mo kgannyeng e gotweng rile fa Tautona Masire a tswa, a baakanya molao gore go batho ba se ka ba tswa ba utlwisa batlhophi botlhoko ka nne le automatic succession, e baakanyetswa fela gore e diphathi tse ba sa tlhophiwang ka tsone? A bo le ene a tla re Mogae a tsena a kgone go tsena fela. Re lapile ka dilo to debate gore ga go a siamela batlhophi mme a gannwe tse e reng fela fa le batla sengwe, le tlaa se sukunyetsa ke batlhophi go tla mo Palamenteng yone e. A ga go le fa go sena phatlha, le panyeletsa fela. Golo mo le supe boitimokanyi golo mo? go dirang ke eng? Ga go na phatlha ya molao o, se panyeletseng. Golo mo ga go a siama Mongwaketse. Fa MR RAMOGAPI: O e tshwere sentle Leader of the le dira jalo, le dira mo e seng gone. Opposition (LOO). Ke ne ke re ke ba rasatlhe ka yone kwa bofelong ke ba tapete. Fa o ka lebelela le ka fa go tlhophiwang ka teng, a ke eng kana ke eng, ke gore o ka ipotsa, ba bona fela gore HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… golo fa go thata, ga go a tshwanelwa gore go dirwe MR RAMOGAPI: Fa o ka lebelela boitimokanyi jwa jalo, ba tlaabo ba tsaya gore ke gore go sokamisiwe go bo go okediwe batho ba ba bitswang gotwe Specially Domkrag… Elected, ba nna bantsintsi fela, o bo o ipotsa gore batho HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. ba garona ba batla eng? Bagaetsho, ga re re re fufegela bo Specially Elected. Re a eletsa gore fa go na le batho MR RAMOGAPI: Ke gore o a bo o e tsere kae wena? ba ba nang le boleng ba ba ka tlang ba re thusa mo Palamenteng, ba siame go ka dirwa jalo. Jaanong ditsela MS MAKWINJA: Procedure. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. tse le di dirang gore batho ba ba tle to neutralise dipalo Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Ramogapi. Kana setšhaba kwa tsa rona, le batla quantities tse di kwa godimo, ra re golo ntle se reeditse Mr Speaker fa gotwe re setse Rre Khama mo ga go a siamela lefatshe le go busa. MaDomkrag, a morago, President yo e neng e le wa BDP yo re neng re ko le nne le iketla, le reetse gore batho mo setšhabeng mo rata thata, mme re ntse re a mo rata le gompieno, ba batla eng, selelo sa bone se setona ke eng? Selelo go bo gotwe re emisa mananeo a gagwe. Ke kopa gore sa Batswana bagaetsho ga se Khama. Lona fela fa le Rre Ramogapi a tlhalose gore ke mananeo afe a re a re one, mo le a bong le go tletse mo Palamenteng, a emisitseng? la re le baakanya Molaomotheo kana le dira eng, ka fa morago ga lona fela le nna le gopotse Tautona wa MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ramogapi, continue. pele Khama. Ba bangwe re ipotsa gore mathata a lona a ke Rre Khama kana letlhoko la ditiro. Kgosikgolo ya MR RAMOGAPI: Mma re tswelele Mr Speaker. Mr rona ga a a le bona mo sengwe le sengweng fela. Melao Speaker, fa o lebelela dikgang tse tsa rona ka fa di ntseng yotlhe e le e akanyang fa o lebelela, it is either le akanya ka teng, puso ya batho ka batho ga re re e lebeleleng as a gore re ka reverse jang selo sele se se tlileng ka Khama whole. Sekai Mr Speaker, fa re tsaya kgaolo ya Serowe kana golo fa Khama ga a re robatse, o re tseela maloko fela, Makhanselara a Domkrag a a tlhophilweng a six ka mma re leke go mo thibela. Le lebetse setšhaba, lona monwana; one, two, three, four, five, six. Makhanselara jaanong la re le mark Khama fela. Heelang! lefatshe a BPF a a tlhophilweng a 11 ka palo mme fa a sena go ga le busiwe jalo! Fa o busa lefatshe, o nna above the nna 11 jaana, Domkrag ka dithata tsa yone e swabisa factions. O tshwana le nonyane e gotweng ke ntsu; o nna batlhophi, e bo e itlhophela ba bangwe gore e tle e fete 11 kwa godimo, o nna le long-term vision, o lebelela gore yole; e itlhophela ba le six. O tle o bone! They distort se o ka direla eng batho se se botoka se se ka ba isang golo batho ba se batlang. Ba faposa batho mo boammaaruring gongwe. Molaomotheo wa rona otlhe ka kakaretso… jwa se ba se batlang. A gone mo le go bitsa puso ya batho ka batho? MaDomkrag, a ko le boneng ka fa le ntseng

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ka teng. Bonang fela! Rre Autlwetse kwa Serowe wa Se se diragalang ke gore, batho ba tshwanetse ba tsala ya me o gannwe ke batho gotlhelele ba re re a go lemoge gore fa re ntse re bua jaana, re le kgatlhanong gana! A ke gone mo gompieno le ka tlang ka ene le bo le floor crossing, re sireletsa puso ya batho ka batho. le re e bile re a mo promote go gaisa Majaga le Kablay Fa re ya ditlhophong, re ne re ya mo bathong re ba re mmaya Minister. Fa e ne e le sengwe, ke ka bo ke rekisetsa maitlamo a diphathi tsa rona. Ba ba neng beile Kablay Minister wa Local Government. Dilo tse ba ikemetse, ba sa emela diphathi e le mekoko, ba ne ra re di botlhoko. Jaanong a ko le lebeleleng gore fa re ba rekisa maitlamo a bone a mekoko. Jaanong fa o re Molaomotheo, re ka o baakanya jang, dilo tse tsotlhe fentse ditlhopho o le mokoko, itse fa batho ba ba go ga re le nne fa fatshe le di sekaseke. Yo mongwe o tlaa tlhophileng, ba go tlhophile ka maitlamo one a o neng fitlhela e le gore mo Palamenteng ga a itse ditshenyegelo o bua ka one a mokoko. Fa e le gore o tswa mo go tsa ditlhopho. Nako le nako ke yo o tlhophiwang fela ikemeleng o le nosi, paakanyo e re e batlang ra re, latlha specially. Ga a itse gore ditshenyegelo tsa ditlhopho di ditsamaiso tsa mokoko, o bo o ya kwa bathong o boela tsamaya jang… kwa ditlhophong o re nnyaa, jaanong ke ema ke le mo AP. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Se re tshwanetseng go se itse ke gore, wena ka gore o MR RAMOGAPI: …(Laughter!)… Mathata a rona ke tsaya tshwetso ya gore o tswa mo phathing e o neng o le one a a ntseng jaana. Mathata a Batswana ke one ao, a mo go yone, jaanong o batla go ya kwa phathing e sele, re a tseyeng otlhe re a sekasekeng re bo re a baakanya. wena ditshwanelo tsa gago o di bone gale, ka gore ke MR MMOLOTSI: Elucidation. O se ka wa lebala maikutlo a o a tsayang wena, ke ditshwanelo tsa gago. O gore mabaane mongwe wa batho ba ba neng ba bua bo o lebala ditshwanelo tsa batho ba ba go tlhophileng. kgang eo o kare ba a tlaopa ke Mme Unity Dow yo o Honourable Ramogapi, o tlhophilwe ke batho ba le kae? gannweng ke batho kwa Mochudi ka primary elections, O tlhophilwe ke batho ba le 5000, wena o tsaya tshwetso a bo a busediwa mo Palamenteng ka dikgoka. Ke ene e e lebaganeng le wena fela o bo o sa tseye tshwetso e e yo o ngangisanang a tlaopa a re ke go sia ka tlhopho ya lebaganeng le batlhophi ba gago. batho. DR DOW: Clarification. Ke a leboga gore o bo o MR RAMOGAPI: Ke a leboga sir. Motsotsonyana wa nneetse mokaulengwe. Gongwe o clarify, o ipeye jaaka me o ile, kgang kgolo golo fa ke gore a re lebeleleng Motswana a le kwa gae, a re reeditse gompieno, a eletsa Constitution yotlhe. Maikaelelo a me ga se gore re gore re ka bo re bua ka dilo tse di tlaa tlhabololang lebelele gore yo o rile, yo o rile. Ra re mathata a matshelo a bone. Letsatsi le letsatsi, kamoso bale ba Batswana ke Constitution yotlhe. A e tle Morwaeng! re ba batla Specially Elected Members of Parliament O letse o gana Motion wa maIntern fa o re “nnyaa, (SEMP), kamoso ga ba batle. Ke gore it is just Rakgare a re o a baakanya.” O le rona re a o gana, ra re opportunistic argument. Gompieno ke ne ke bona tlhase a go tle Constitution, le rile le a e baakanya, dilo tse di nngwe e thanya ka kwa, ga ke itse gore go ne go bua tle tsotlhe. Ga re ka ke ra nna ra dira kamoso piecemeal- mang. A bua gore Mma Dow o ne a emetse primaries, nyana, kamoso piecemeal-nyana. MaDomkrag a ko re ga a di fenya. Ke ne ke sa emela primaries, o tlhalose direng dilo sentle, le itse gore setšhaba kwa se le lebile. kgang eo. O bua boammaaruri gore ka 2014, batlhophi Le fa le ka tswa le na le dipalo, mme fela gone setšhaba ba le 6000 ba ntlhophile, ba le 8000 ba tlhophile Rre se le lebile, dirang dilo sentle le lese go senya, mo ga Mangole, a tla mo Palamenteng e. Gompieno, ba le lona mo ke go senya fela mo. Le ipatlela maano a go ja bantsi 6000 ga ba a mo kgoma gone fa, mme ba fa. madi, ga gona le fa e le sepe se le se dirang maDomkrag. Gakere? Ba fa gompieno. Jaanong ke ne ke re… ASSISTANT MINISTER OF YOUTH HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Ke a leboga DR DOW: Nnyaa, gape se goeng, se goeng, buang Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke itebaganye jaaka gentlemen if you are. Se goeng! le kgang e ya Motion o re o filweng o.Motion o o fa pele ga rona o bua ka go baakanya Constitution ya lefatshe Clarification ya me ke e, o kare tota fela go laola gore la Botswana, o bo o nankola kgang e ya go tsamaya ka go labokae. Ka Mosupologo, Rre Saleshando fa a batle ditlhopho tsa batho, floor crossing. SEMP, ka Labobedi ba a argue e bile ba ntsha manifesto ba re golo moo ke ga rona, go mo manifesto. Gompieno,

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ba boile ba re ga ba ba batle. Tota fela kgang ya bone ke mo konterakeng, go bo go iwa ditlhophong. Jaanong gore, they always oppose. Fa o re B, ba re C, fa o re C, ditshwanelo tsa gago ke gore, you resigned from your ba re D, they have no stand on any issue, including ya position, o ya go emela ditlhopho gape labobedi. Go SEMP. La re a la e batla, kante ga le e batle? raya gore wena ditshwanelo tsa gago o di bona gabedi, you resigned from ditlhopho tse o neng o di tlhophetswe, MR BILLY: Ke a leboga Honourable Dow. Mo go one o ya go emela ditlhopho labobedi, ke ditshwanelo tsa Motion o, ke ne ke re gongwe ke one Motion Honourable gago. Dow o ba ka dumalanang le one o tswa mo phathing ya ga Domkrag. A re eleng tlhoko se bagaetsho, Molao- HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. kakanyetso o re o tlisang o, ga se Molao-kakanyetso o lefatshe la Botswana e tlaabong e le lone la ntlha go MR BILLY: Ditshwanelo tsa batho ba ba go tlhophileng simolola dikgang tse di tshwanang le tse. bone di kae? Ditshwanelo ke gore, go tshwanetse gore go iwe ditlhophong. Batho bao ba tseye tshwetso ya Ke simolotse ke tlhalosa gore, re tshwanetse re lebelele gore, a mme ba busetsa phathi e o tseneng ka yone, kana puso ya batho ka batho re bo re e sireletsa. Rona re fa ba go busetsa jaanong o le mo phathing e o tlaabong o ka go nna le lesego la gore batho ba re tlhophile ba le le mo go yone. 5000, 10000, ba re tlisa fa. Fa e le gore jaanong re tswa mo tshwetsong ya tumalano, kana ke konteraka. Ga Itse fa lefatshe la Namibia; Article 48, Nigeria; Article o tlhophiwa o tla fa, o tla ka konteraka ya gore o ya 68, Seychelles; Article 81, Sierra Leone; Article 77 go emela phathi ya UDC, ke konteraka e o e filweng le Singapore; Article 46 di tlhalosa gore, fa e le gore ke setšhaba sa constituency e o tswang mo go yone. ka gore o tlhophetswe fa, ga o sa tlhola o batla fa, Jaanong fa e le gore o fetogela konteraka e, o ya kwa go iwa ditlhophong. Mafatshe a a ya ditlhophong fa mohiring, o ya go mo raya o re mohiri, kana tiro ele e o Mopalamente kana Mokhanselara wa tsone a tswa mo mphileng yone, ga ke sa kgona go e dira ka didirisiwa position e a neng a le mo go yone kana mo phathing e a tse o di nneetseng. Go bo go diragala jang, go bo go iwa neng a tlhophetswe mo go yone. ditlhophong. Ditshwanelo tsa gago ga o di tseelwe, fa go HONOURABLE MEMBER: Correction. iwa ditlhophong ke gore ditshwanelo tsa gago o ya go tswelela o nna le tsone. MR BILLY: Sone seo o tshwanetse o ele tlhoko gore, kgang e ke ntseng ke go tlhalosetsa gore, if you resign, MR SALESHANDO: Ke kopa tlhaloso. Ke a go you resign your position e o e tlhophetsweng ka phathi e leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke o tlhophilweng ka yone. utlwa Mopalamente wa Francistown Botlhaba a re, ga se rona lefatshe la ntlha go nna le tsamaiso e ba batlang Rona ba Domkrag, re ne re tlhalosa mo manifesto wa go e tlisa. Re dirisa thulaganyo ya First Past the Post rona fa re ya ditlhophong, gore re ya go dira jang. Ra re, Electoral System. O itse lefe lefatshe le le dirisang First re ya go tlhomamisa, mo Page 49, re ya go tlhomamisa Past the Post jaaka rona, mme le kganetse floor crossing gore citizens tsa lefatshe le go nne le equality. Equality ka gore floor crossing is a feature, ke bontlha bongwe in the sense that, fa re fetola Constitution letsatsi leno, jwa First Past the Post. Re bolelele gore ke afe mafatshe re fetola article e, re e fetolela gore go nne le equality, a a dirisang the same system, First Past the Post, mme a go se ka ga nna wena fela yo o tlhophilweng who can sa letlelele floor crossing? resign, ba ba go tlhophileng go sena dipoelo mo go MR BILLY: Honourable Member, ke solofela gore bone. They should be able to punish you. Ke tsone ethics fa o tla o debate Motion o o tshwanang le o, ka seemo fela tse ba ka go tshwarang ka tsone, and you account se o leng mo go sone, o ka bo o le mo position ya go for them; motlhophi wa gago. Ke yone consultation fela nthaya o re lefatshe le le tshwanang le la bolebelebe, e motlhophi wa gago a ka e bonang mo go wena, go go bone ba fetotse ka mabaka a. Mma ke go fe dikgang punish ka yone. Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng re se ele tse rraetsho, fa le ya ditlhophong, dumalana le nna gore tlhoko, fa re bua ka floor crossing. fa o le fa Honourable Saleshando, o filwe konteraka ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. UDC, e go raya e re tsamaya o ye go emela kgaolo ya Maun. Fa o tswa mo go yone, o boela kwa bathong o ba MR BILLY: Bagaetsho, floor crossing ke eng? Floor raya o re, ga ke sa tlhola ke kgona konteraka, ka gore crossing is cheating. Cheating, ka gore e rile o emela didirisiwa tse le di nneetseng ga ke kgone go di dirisa ditlhopho, ga o ise o ko o bue gore o na le maikaelelo

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mangwe. Ga o ise o ko o bue gore wena maitlamo a o country will also be affected. Economy of the country tsenang ka one o ya go a fetogela kwa pele. is going to be affected. Ga go na lefatshe le le senang tirisano; international relations. Ga go na lefatshe le le Fa o fetola maitlamo, go raya gore the ideology e o tlaa nnang le tirisano le lefatshe le e leng gore letsatsi tseneng ka yone is no longer there. Therefore, we need leno le ile ditlhophong go fentse phathi e, kamoso phathi to go for fresh elections. Fresh elections le e tshaba e e fentseng ga e sa tlhole e le mo Pusong, go tsene e eng? Mo Botswana gantsi batlhophi ba tlhopha phathi nngwe ka gore batho ba ba tlhophilweng have crossed and not individuals. Batswana ba tlhopha diphathi ga ba the floor. Floor-crossing is very dangerous mme le itse tlhophe motho, go go bolelela gore fa re ya ditlhophong, gore fa le tlola ka ditilo tsa batho go ya go diragala eng. ba a bo ba lebeletse maitlamo a bone. Ke selo se re tshwanetseng re se ele tlhoko.

Ke dumela gore bontsi jwa lona ba le leng fa ba UDC, le Jaanong ke ema nokeng paakanyo e ya Molao- fa ka gore le ne le raya basadibagolo le re, “tandabala e kakanyetso. Ke dira jalo ka gore ke sireletsa ditshwanelo ya go okediwa.” Le fa ka gore le ne le raya basadibagolo tsa batho ba ba ntlhophileng. Ke sireletsa puso ya batho le re, “re ya go oketsa dikamogelo tsa batho ba ba kwa ka batho. Ke sireletsa matshelo a setšhaba. Ke sireletsa tlase.” Le fa ka gore le ne le raya Batswana le re, “le economy ya lefatshe le. Ke sireletsa investment ya a go dira gore ditiro di nne teng, go le motlhofo.” lefatshe la Botswana. I rest my case. Jaanong now you want to lose focus ya gore le ne le raya Batswana le reng. Le lebelela dikgang tse e leng gore ga ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND e sa tlhole e le tse le neng le bua ka tsone. Itseng gore WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Ke a leboga fa o fiwa ditlhopho… Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke re santlha ke simolole ke supe HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… gore ke ema nokeng Molao-kakanyetso o o fa pele ga rona. Mr Speaker, ke supe jaana gore ga ke gakgamale MR BILLY: You are not chairing Honourable Member. gore selelo se bo se le kana ka kwa ga lewatle kwa go ba Fa o fiwa ditlhopho ke Batswana kwa ntle kwa, ba ba ganetsang. Bontsi jwa nako ke bone ba ba tlwaetseng na le tumelo ya gore o ya go dira tumalano le bone. go tlola ba tsena mo phathing e, ba tlola ba tsena mo go Batswana are very committed to their parties segolo e. E bile gape ga ba na tshepho mo ditlhophong tse ba jang maDomkrag. Ba rata phathi ya bone more. Ga o tswang mo go tsone tsa setšhaba. Dikgang tse Batswana ka ke wa re letsatsi le, o bo o re ka gore ke setse ke le ba di lebeletse, e bile ba reeditse. Ba a bona gore ba ne fa, I am taking advantage ya gore ke fentse ditlhopho, ba tlhopha batho ba phathi ya UDC. Letsatsi le fa re ke tlaa tlola ke ya kwa ke lebeletse interests tsa me. Ga leka go sireletsa Sekhukhu, bone ba a gana ba re nnyaa, go na phathi e e senang tsamaiso. Fa o sa dumalane le re letleleleng re tswe mo go sone. Mr Speaker, se se a tsamaiso ya phathi e o fentseng ka yone, resign and go supa gore batho ba ba ne ba rapame. Ba ne ba rapametse for fresh elections. What is your fear ya molao o? Le Gideon Boko yo e neng e le motsamaisi mogolo wa tshaba eng? What is it that you are protecting? What are setlhopha seo. Re ne re bona banna ba tshwana le you protecting? Dithapelo Keorapetse, ba tsamaya ka difofane ba na le Tautona Boko ba a ja makakauwe, Saleshando a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… tsamaya ka dinao. Dilo tse re ne re di bona Mr Speaker. MR BILLY: Ke dingwe tse le tshwanetseng le di ele HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… tlhoko thata. Why le ka dira mokgwa o o ntseng jaana? Ke tlhalositse gore kana this thing ya gore motho a MR LELATISITSWE: Letsatsi le fa re le fa re leka go nna a tlola (cross) floor a ya kwa, affects the stability sireletsa se ba neng ba tsamaya ka sone, ba supa gore ba ya lefatshe. The investors di a lebelela gore stability sa ya go neela bonkukuarona P1 500 ba ya go neela bomang lefatshe lele se ntse jang. Today ba a itse gore go busa P3 000, ba a ema ba re nnyaa, bone ga ba dumalane phathi ya ga Domkrag. Fa e le gore re ya go tlola rotlhe le seo. Maikaelelo re a utlwile gore ke eng ba rialo. re ya kwa UDC, a setse a dirile investment ya gagwe, e Maikaelelo a matona ke gore ba re ba batla go ntsha bo e le gore o mo lefatsheng le le busiwang ke UDC, e a Boko. Ba simolola go ipala ka mebala ya bone ba re senang tshepho mo go yone gore e tlaa sireletsa dithoto rona re le maBCP re kana, mme Rre Keorapetse o setse tsa gagwe. Where are you? I want that noise? Go lefifi … a tshwere moono ka gore re a mmona kgapetsakgapetsa (laughter!). Itseng gore the stability and economy of the a na le Gideon Boko. Ba bangwe bantsi bo Hikuama

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le bomang… ga ke itse yo wa Mahalapye, Honourable HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Tshere gore ene a reng? MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Letsatsi le ke ne ke re ke leboge thata. Ke supe jalo gore dintlha tse dintsi tse ke ka bong ke di bua Mr Speaker, di MR LELATISITSWE: Se re se itseng ke gore, builwe ke Honourable Healy. maikaelelo a bone ke gore ba re ba batla go ntsha Boko. Jaanong molao o fa o ka feta, go raya gore go ya go nna Mr Speaker, re tsamaela kwa Constitutional review e e thata. Ke one maikaelelo a bone. Go raya gore go ya go batlang stability, e batla gore fa re ya go tsena mo go nna thata. Ga re na phathi ya BCP rona mo ditlhophong yone, re bo re wetse. Fa o reeditse mafoko a a neng a tse di fetileng. Jaanong Batswana ba tshwanetse ba buiwa ke Honourable Ramogapi, Mopalamente wa lemoga gore batho ba, ke ba mofuta o o ntseng jang. Ke Palapye, ke utlwa gore le fa a ntse a tlhophilwe ka fa ka gore ke tlhophilwe ke Domkrag. Ga go na gope UDC, pelo ya gagwe e kwa go Kgosikgolo kwa BPF. kwa e leng ke ka ya teng ka gore ke se ke se dumalaneng Ke gone kwa a akantseng teng. Ke ne ke re Ramogapi, le batho ba kgaolo ya me for these coming five years. tsaya sebaka se o tsamae ka gore ga o na le fa e le mokhanselara yo mongwefela. MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR MR RAMOGAPI: Point of order. Mr Speaker, RAKGARE): Elucidation. Thank you very much Honourable Lelatisitswe o tsaya mafoko o a tsenya mo Honourable Lelatisitswe. Ke ne ke re o bona kgang leganong la me, o ntuba seborotho, mo kgalemele. e ya ga Honourable Keorapetse, ke boammaaruri tota. Ka weekend jaana, President wa UDC, Gideon Boko MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! I think he is saying, ene Duma, o ne a amogela Rre Moswaane kwa Francistown fa a go reeditse, o go utlwa jaana, gongwe o a fosa for ka weekend. E ne e le Rre Keorapetse fela a ntse a all we know. supa gore o eme Rre Duma Boko nokeng. Ramogapi, MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke Honourable Hikuama, Honourable Lucas, Honourable ne ke re Molao-kakanyetso o o batla re lebeletse kwa Nkawana; all BCP Members of Parliament (MPs) were pele. Maloba re ne re le fa Mopalamente wa Sefhare- not there but Rre Keorapetse o ne a le behind Boko and Ramokgonami yo e leng Mothusa Tautona wa kwa he is behind UDC. Botswana Congress Party (BCP), o ne a bua mafoko a matona thata a ke sa itseng gore a o ne a bua a lebeletse MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a go leboga rraetsho. Tswapong Region kana UDC yotlhe. O ne a bua gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: A ga o itse gore go ene o batla go ja. Mafoko a a matona thata fa re lebeletse COVID? A ga o itse gore COVID go tsamaya batho ba Constitutional review re le Mapalamente. Fa re ya kwa le 50? Constitutional review mme dikeletso tsa motho e le go ja, go ya go nna le mathata. Le batho ba kgaolo ele ba MR KEKGONEGILE: On a point of procedure Mr ipotsa dipotso tse di thata tsa gore a re romile motho yo Speaker. Tanki Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, I rise on keletso ya gagwe e leng go batla go ja. Fa go iwa kwa Standing Order 57.1. You always say, let us keep our Constitutional review, re ya go tshwara dintlha tse di eyes on the ball. Re fa mme go buiwa ka Constitutional thata Mr Speaker, tse di yang go bua ka merafe ya rona. Amendments. They are bringing in matters irrelevant to Fa moeteledipele wa gago, keletso ya gagwe e le dijo, what is being discussed. Re ne re re o tseye taolo ya go raya gore o ka latlha batho. Jaanong ga se dikgang Ntlo Mr Speaker ka gore Batswana ba ba kwa ntle, ba tse… batla go utlwa gore Motion wa floor-crossing ra re o ka ba solegela molemo jang, e bile o ka se ke o ba solegele DR GOBOTSWANG: Point of order. Mr Speaker, molemo jang. Gore Honourable Keorapetse o ne a le kgang e ya go ja, jaanong e kare e tsere phekelo e sele. kae ka weekend, is quite irrelevant to this discussion. Ga ke itse gore ke eng ba rata dijo mo go kanakana, corner le corner ba bua ka dijo, mme kgang e ga ke MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Member, ise ke e bue. Mr Speaker, ke kopa gore kgang e e boele I think he is quite relevant. What he is saying is fa o kwa Hansard gore mafoko a a buiwang ke Honourable bona le gana mogopolo o, go raya gore o a le babalela. Lelatisitswe go supafale gore a ke kile ka a bua. Ga Motho o a bonang gore o tlhamaletse ke Honourable ke ise ke bue mafoko a gotlhelele. Motho yo o kileng Keorapetse. a bua ka go ja, a re ke nako ya bone ya go ja, e e

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kwadilweng le mo dipampiring, ke Honourable Balopi. tlile fa ka o rata dijo. I do not think you ever said that. Internationally… Ka gore ke ne ke seyo, I think Honourable Gobotswang, can we ask the Member on the floor as he continue with HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. the debate, to leave that subject ya go ja so that we do not stop and go for the Hansard gore re itse gore tseo ke DR GOBOTSWANG: I am standing on a point of tsa gagwe, it is not yours? Will that help Honourable Dr order sir. Ke gone go tla late, jaanong o timetse, o mo Gobotswang? lefifing, ga o itse gore go diragala eng. Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re kgang e ya gore ke rile re tletse fa go ja, e buiwa DR GOBOTSWANG: Indeed, Mr Speaker, let us keep ke monna yo a ipoeletsa, ke ne ke re re tlhole Hansard our eyes on the ball. Thank you. so that this issue is settled once and for all. Motho fela yo o neng a re it is our time to eat, yo o itsiweng, yo go MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke kwadilweng gongwe le gongwe, ke Honourable Balopi. supe fela gore fa re le baeteledipele, re tshephagale. Ke Ke a leboga. ne ke sa solofela, mme dikgang tse di ntseng di tlhaga mo baeteledipeleng ba ba ka kwa fa ba bua, fa re ntse re MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR tsweletse le Ntlo e, ke tse di neng di supegetsa Batswana PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT gore ba romile batho ka phathi efe, mme fa ba tsena fa, (MR BALOPI): Point of order. Ke a leboga Mr maikaelelo a bone ke gore ba batla go tswa le gore ba Speaker. Ke kopa gore Honourable Gobotswang jaaka fiwe that freedom ya go tsamaya. Molao-kakanyetso o e le mokgwa wa gagwe, a boele mafoko ao morago ka ga o kganele ope go tlogela phathi. Ga ke itse gore fa o gore re dumalane gore dikgang tsa dipampiri tse e seng batla go tlogela phathi, o go kganela fa kae. tsa boammaaruri, re se ka ra nna re di tlisa mo Ntlong e. MR MMOLOTSI: Clarification. Honourable Secondly, I never said se se neng se kwadilwe mo Lelatisitswe, o buise le kgang ya gore, o a itse gore dimpapiring tse at any given time. Fa e le gore re phathi e tlaabo e na le gore e ka go koba, mme jaaka tlaa tswelela fela jaaka ke ne ke botsa maloba gore dikgang tsa go nna go tlisiwa ditlontlokwane gotwe re bone le mo nakong e e fetileng, e kgona go go koba yole o nteleditse, yole a ngongorega ka sennanne le e sa rerisa batlhophi ba gago ka gore e bile fa gongwe sennanne, a ke gore ke dumalane le se ke se itseng e bo e sa itse. In this particular case, wa re ba ba se ke se boleletsweng ke mongwe, ke tseye gore ke kojwang ke phathi kana ke moeteledipele wa phathi, mo boammaaruri gore Honourable Gobotswang o kile seemong se go tlaabo go ntse jang? Ke ka go fa sekai sa a peka a bo a ya kwa diagelong? A ke tshwanetse ke ga Mme Venson-Moitoi yo e rileng a batla boTautona tle ka dilo tse di tshwanang le tsone tseo because that jwa phathi, a bo a kgamphudiswa gotwe ke Monyasa, was just grapevine? I never said that. Le wena you can ga se Motswana, mme a ne a ntse a le mo phathing e stand up here and confirm gore your behaviour was le Motswana go sena mathata, fa a setse a re o batla not influenced, ke gore at some point o ne wa peka o maemo, gatwe ke Monyasa, phathi e batla go mo koba. bo o isiwa kwa diagelong? It is out there, and people Jaanong ba ba tlhophileng batho, fa boeteledipele bo just commenting socially. Should we bring those things koba, gone foo go diragala eng? here? No we should not? I want to you to remove this thing because I never said that. When you want to MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga. Kgang e o debate on issues tse di ka thusang Batswana go ya kwa e tshwere sentle Rre Mmolotsi. Ke dumela gore o pele, stop bringing things which are unnecessary to this gakologelwa se se neng sa diragala kwa Bobonong gore House. I thank you Mr Speaker. o felele fa o leng teng. Ke sone fela se se tshwanang le se gore molao o o ntse o a go sireletsa. Le fa o ka MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, kojwa, wena voluntarily if you have not resigned, ga go I had hoped Dr Gobotswang that we would not have to na kwa o ka yang teng ka gore o emetse the interests go and take time with the Hansard partly because before tsa batho ba gago. Ke tsaya gore fa o o badile sentle, Honourable Lelatisitswe took the floor, a different se se diragetseng kwa Bobonong fa le lwa fale le Member had been harping on the same thing ya go rata modirelapuso yo o kwa Maun, kana ba tsaya phathi mo dijo, vis-a-vis you, and I thought ke dilo tsa lona le a go lona ka fa o neng o e baya ka teng, mme wena o ne tlaopana; a light talk. Not that you as I know, you are wa sala o le teng o emetse batho ba Francistown. Go tlaa going to stand up in this Parliament and say, wena o nna fela jalo go ya kwa pele rraetsho. Dikgang tse Mr

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Speaker, tse di tshwenyang, ke tse di builweng thata ke MR LELATISITSWE: …o se ka wa nna fa o le bakaulengwe ba ba buileng kwa pele... mo UDC, kamoso o bo o batla go bidiwa le BCP. Tsaya tshwetso gompieno mongwame fa o le teng mo MR TSHERE: Point of clarification. Thank you very lefatsheng le la Botswana gore Batswana ba itse gore o much Honourable Speaker and thank you very much motho yo o ntseng jang, wena yo o tsamayang. Bangwe Honourable Lelatisitswe. Ke ne ke utlwa o re there re a ba bona kwa Francistown kana ke bo Mathangwane, is freedom to associate and disassociate under this ba simolotse go tlola ba siela kwa ntle. Batswana ba condition. Jaanong golo fa ke bona similarities, ga ke lemoge gore golo fa ba ne ba ntse ba na le motho a ba itse gore a o di bona jaaka nna, ka nako ya ga Idi Amin rapametse. Golo moo ke go supa gore motho yoo e ne e fa gotwe you have the freedom of speech, but you do not ntse e se moeteledipele, o ne a robetse a emetse mongwe have freedom after the speech. Is that where the country gore a tswe. is going kwa go Idi Amin and bo Robert Mugabe? Thank you. Nako e ke ya go tsaya tshwetsho, Honourable Wynter o batla go boela mo Domkrag, o ka boa. Wena Ramogapi MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga rraetsho. Ke tsaya fa e le gore o na le keletso ya go ya BPF, kana BPF gore o tlaa ipha nako to study molao o, mme kwa morago e batla go boela gae, le yone e ka boa, ba phatlalatsa o swele boammaaruri nokeng jo ke bo buileng. E rile mosasana o ba o dirileng oo. fa o ya ditlhphong o le Tshere, o itse Tautona wa gago gore ke mang; ke Gideon Boko. Letsatsi leno o batla go Mr Speaker, go ya kwa pele, re batla batho ba ba mo menogela, batho ba Mahalapye ba itse gore wa re o tlaabong ba tlhoafetse, ba megopolo ya bone e tlaabong batla go tsenya Saleshando, yo le ene a simolotseng go e tshwaraganye, re ya go buisanya kgang e tonatona e sebaseba le diphathi tse dingwe... e fa pele ga rona ya Constitutional review, e merafe e mentsi mo lefatsheng la Botswana e ntseng e lela ka MR TSHERE: Point of procedure. Mr Speaker, kana yone. Section 77, 78, 79 e re itseng gore e re ama ka kgang e Honourable Lelatisitswe a e buang, re ne re re bontsi fa, e bile ga ke batle gore fa re ya go e bua, yo gongwe o a tshameka o tlaa e tlogela, jaanong ke yo o mongwe a tlola a pota ka fa, jaaka bangwe ba supile e setse morago, mme ga re mo re tseele kgato. E nna o gore ba ya kwa go tshutshumang teng. Kana go raya kare re a thubega ka kwano, mme re bopagana le BPF gore ba ka rekwa botlhe le merafe ya bone, mme ba bo le AP, re a nona re nna batona. Ke ipotsa gore ke eng a ba felela ba timetsa setšhaba. Dilo tse di ntseng jaana akanya gore re batla go tlogela Tautona wa UDC. A ko tse Mr Speaker, ke batla gore mongwe le mongwe fa o mo tseele kgato, let us name him. a bua kgang e, a akanye kwa re yang teng. E bile e HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)… dirilwe sentle gore go tsewe this part go buiwe ka yone pele. Ke maikaelelo a rona, re ne re dira kabomo gore MR TSHERE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. go nne jalo, gore e re kamoso fa re tswelela jaanong re dira a major review, re bo re itse gore re iketlile, re MR SPEAKER: O ne o batla go mo phatlalatsa? It is golo go le gongwefela, ga go na ope yo o ka siang le the politics which I do not understand. Keorapetse, maikaelelo a gagwe a wetse gore jaanong MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Kana ba tshwaragane le ene. Motswana a re go lela e e tlhabilweng, o a bo a raya Ke lebogele DGB ka gore o buile gore ene ke Tautona gone mo gore fa boammaaruri bo leng teng, ke gone wa UDC go ya kwa pele, a mang o a rata kana ga a rate. kwa o utlwang dikgang tse dintsi. Kana Hikuama o ka leka go dira eng, kana mang o ka Mr Speaker, fa ke ela bokhutlong, jaaka bakaulengwe ba leka go dira eng, bone bo Kekgonegile ba re ba a leka. sa tswa go bua, kana re emetse a major Constitutional Golo mo mme ba go ithute gape gore fa o ka tswelela o review, e e batlang ditlhaloganyo tse di wetseng. Ke baya lelwapa le le lengwefela o akanya gore ke lone le nako jaaka Keorapetse a kwadile mo Facebook page ya le ka tsamaisang lefatshe, go diphatsa, re go bone gone gagwe, a re fa e le gore o eletsa to cross, o tsamaye go mo Domkrag. Le lona ka koo le go lemoge golo mo ka le gompieno gore o ye go iketla kwa motseng wa gago gore go diphatsa go tsamaisa ka lelwapa ka gore e tlaa o o o batlang… re motho a ntse jaana, a bo a re ngwanake o setse a le monyennyane ke a mo godisa. Le lona le go ithute go ya HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. kwa pele gore lefatshe le ke la rona rotlhe, mongwe le mongwe o na le tshono ya gore o ka le tsamaisa. Ga ke itse

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gore o kae Kapinga ka gore ke ne ke utlwile maikaelelo Morwaeng, motho yo o akotseng go tlhotlhoma le a gagwe, ke sa itse gore a Nkawana o dumalana le one. diphathi tsotlhe tse di kileng tsa nna teng. O ne a re o batla go tsaya boeteledipele jwa BCP, ke sa itse gore a tsone dikgang tse di batla stability sa rona go HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... kwa pele. Rraetsho, dikgang tse di tshwanang le tse, re DR GOBOTSWANG: It is very insensitive on the part of ntse re di buabua re le Mapalamente. the BDP, to have charged the Honourable Member with Mr Speaker, ke ema molao o nokeng, a Batswana the responsibility to come up with a Bill that prohibits ba tshwaragane mo go one, ba tlhaloganye gore re nomadic lifestyle when he is the beneficiary. Legale baakanyetsa bone. Batho ba ba tlwaetseng go sia ka gongwe kana mothusi wa gagwe e leng Honourable ditlhopho tsa bone ba ka balwa, ba bantsi ka kwa; re Mthimkhulu, le ene gongwe ba ne ba akantse gore ba ka na le Tshekedi ke yole o kile a sia ka tsone a sia ka mo neela gore a o tsise. Le ene ke mathata ka gore ke the Domkrag, re na le bo Bagalatia, o kile a siela kwa beneficiary of these things. Domkrag, Moswaane gompieno o bua seleme o siile… Molao o bagaetsho, boammaaruri ke gore ke molao o HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)… o tshogileng ka o tla ka letshogo le letona, le tla ka ba ga rona ba Puso e e busang. Fa o bua le bomaitseanape MR LELATISITSWE: …re na le bo Wynter, ke yole ba Molaomotheo, e seng diagente tse dingwe tse re di o kile a sia ka mebala e pink a siela ka kwa. Ba bantsi bonang fa who come across and make political statement thata. and think they are talking law, Constitutional lawyers fa o bua le bone ba tlaa go bolelela gore Molaomotheo fa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. o lebelela dikgang tse di ntseng jaana, o na le de jure MR LELATISITSWE: Ke lebogile Mr Speaker. and de facto. Fa o lebelela de jure e go bolelela gore molao wa reng. MR MMOLOTSI: Point of procedure. Mr Speaker, pele ga a nna fa fatshe, kana ga a ka ke a ntshenya leina, The de facto ke ka fa batho ba tsayang kgang ka teng, e bile ba dumela mo go yone, mme go ka tswa go se ka fa a bo a wela fa fatshe. molaong, ba reng. Jaanong bomaitsaanape ba molao ba HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... re, mo kgannyeng e re e buang e, fa go tla ka fa molaong, batlhophi ba tlhopha Mapalamente, mme ka fa batho ba MR MMOLOTSI: O tshwanelwa ke go boela mafoko dumelang ka teng le ka fa ngwao e ntseng ka teng, batho a gagwe morago Mr Speaker, ka gore ba nkobile ba sa ba dumela gore ba tlhopha diphathi. Boammaaruri ke batle gore go buiwe sepe, gotwe re nne... gore, dikgang tse tsotlhe is a combination of the two. Ga o ka ke wa tsaya ele wa e beela kwa, ele kwa. Both are HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... important factors in voters making decisions tsa gore ba tlhopha jang. MR MMOLOTSI: Ke Domkrag. Ba nkobile ba sa batle go gakololwa. Jaanong a se ka a re ke siile a ntse a itse Jaanong the skies were not going to fall le fa re ka se ke gore ba dirile jang, e bile a itse gore se se lekwang go molao o re o fetise jaaka ba o batla. Ga go na sepe se se dirwa gompieno jaana ke gore ba tle ba kgone go tsena neng se tlaa diragala. Ke sone se o tlaa fitlhelang go na le sentle mo lesakeng, boeteledipele bo laole, e re kamoso mefuta e le mebedi ya batlhophi. Go na le batlhophi ba fa moeteledipele a sa tlhole a batla go tsamaya ka koloi ba tlhophang diphathi, go sa kgathalesege gore go eme kwa ntle a re o batla go palama motho, a bo a re Fidelis, mang. Ba teng batlhophi ba ba ntseng jalo. Bontsi jwa nna ka mangole jaanong ke batla go tsamaya ka motho. batlhophi mo malatsing a gompieno ba tlhopha baemedi; candidates. Ke ka fa go ntseng ka teng, go tswa kgakala. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... Gompieno re tlaa tlhalosa jang gore ke eng Honourable Ramogapi a tlhophilwe e le Mopalamente, mme a ratile DR GOBOTSWANG (SEFHARE- go tsena a sena Makhanselara, a bo a tsena ka a mabedi? RAMOKGONAMI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke Ka 2004, Honourable Dumelang Saleshando, ke dumela emela go nna kgatlhanong le Molao-kakanyetso o re gore o tsene ka Mokhanselara a le mongwefela. Golo mo o beilweng pele wa gore batho fa ba tlhophilwe ba se go go raya go reng? A fa batho ba ne ba tlhopha phathi, ka ba tswa mo diphathing ba ya kwa go tse dingwe. a Makhanselara ba ka bo ba sa tlhophiwa, ka gore ba Bomadimabe ke gore o bo o tla ka Honourable ne ba tshwanetse gore ba ka bo ba tlhophilwe botlhe?

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Go go supegetsa gore batho ba a sekaseka mo bathong tsaya motho fela wa mmaya foo jaaka pele, maDomkrag ba ba emeng, gore e re ntswa re rata Mopalamente yo ka bo 1960/70, ba ne ba bua gore, le fa re ka baya tonki, o emeng, mme mo Mokhanselareng, nnyaa ba bangwe fa e eme le Dr Gobotswang, re itse gore re ya to win. o kare ga re ba kgore. Ba bo ba simolola ba tlhopha Batswana ba gompieno ga ba foo, ba fetile mo seemong Makhanselara ba ba tswakanya ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. seo. Ba lebelela motho yo o emetseng ditlhopho gore, e re ntswa phathi e e le ya me, mme yo ba mo emisitseng Jaanong ke kgang e e teng. Jaaka bakaulengwe ba bua, ga se yo ke ka mo tlhophang. Jaanong bomadimabe fa re batla gore re nonotshe kgang le mogopolo wa ke gore le fa ba ntse ba bua gore ke mogopolo le gore go tlhophiwa diphathi, there is only one solution, maikutlo a batlhophi, mo gongwe le fa batho ba mo Proportional Representation (PR). Ke yone e o tswang ganne jaaka mogolole Autlwetse a gannwe letsatsi le fela o tlhopha diphathi. E bile yone ga go na gore, hey! penne, a bo a tsewa gape a tlisiwa mo Palamenteng, go ya go ikwadisiwa kwa Sefhare-Ramokgonami, e bile a fiwa Bothusa Tona, bo Honourable Leuwe ba yo mongwe o ikwadisitse kae, what is the permanent le teng, bagwagwadi ba me, bo Honourable Brooks, place of residence. Dikgang tseo di tlaabo di seyo. Re Honourable Monnakgotla, Honourable Motaosane ba tlaabo re ikwadisa gongwe le gongwe, go bo go bonwa le teng ba tlhophilwe, e le gore jaanong go tlhophiwa gore phathi e bone bokae, e bo Mapalamente ba tsena ene, o sa itse gore ka mabaka afe. go tsamaelana le dipalo tse ba di boneng. Ke yone fela electoral system e o ka buang gore go tlhophiwa phathi. MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION Go ntse fela jalo. AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MOKGETHI): Clarification. Thank you Honourable Gobotswang Jaanong batho ba ba akotseng go tswa mo diphathing for yielding. O ne o re Batswana ba gompieno have ba tlhophilwe, go tswa tswengtsweng ke Domkrag. Ke changed, patlo-maikutlo e dirilwe 22 years ago. Ka bone ba e akotseng thata. Ka bo 1960 go ya go tsena gore bogologolo, that 22 years ago go ne go tsamailwe ka 1990, ba ne ba le mo letlepung. Batho ba tswa mo jaana go dirwa consultation, jaaka o re Batswana diphathing, bo Honourable Billy Buti, ba dule ba le mo have changed, e bile ga ba sa tlhole ba ikutlwa jaaka diphathing dife, ba tswa ba ya kwa Domkrageng. E le ba ne ba ikutlwa 22 years ago, potso ya me ke gore, gore ba akola go tswa ga batho. a lona le dirile patlo-maikutlo mo bathong, a le dirile MR HIKUAMA: On a point of clarification Mr consultation? Ke a leboga. Speaker. O e tshwere ka botswerere, ke ne ke sa eletse DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Honourable go ka kgoreletsa flow ya gago. Ke batla o fetise sengwe Mokgethi. Tota wena o e tshwere sentle, o tsamaela fa. Mo system e re e dirisang e go na le go tlhophiwa fa ke tsamaelang teng. You are a good deployee. Fa re Mapalamente ba ba tlhophiwang ke Palamente; Specially leng teng tota ke gore, fa e le sengwe, fa re batla go Nominated Members of Parliament. Mo tsamaisong e, a tsweledisa mogopolo o, re bo re boela kwa Law Reform o setse o lemoga gore go na le fa ba ka nnang teng, kana Committee gore e ye go batla maikutlo gape. Mongwe le ke gore fa ba tlhophilwe gongwe ba bo ba innela fale ka mongwe fa yo o kileng a dira even basic research would gore ga go na phathi e e ba tlhophileng, e e leng gore know gore ga o ka ke wa dirisa data ya 22 years ago to they align to it, kana o e bona jang? make decisions today. Evidence-based practice ga e ka DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Honourable ke ya ba ya go letlelela. Ke kgang e e teng bagaetsho. Member. Fa e le ba ba handbags, bone tota fa re ne re MS MONNAKGOTLA: Clarification Mr Speaker. Ke tlhoafetse, ba ka bo ba tsena mo Palamenteng fa e le a leboga Mr Speaker. Tona Morwaeng o tsere tshwetso gore ba a tsena, go tla go re thusa go akanya, mme go tlhopha ba sa tlhophe, ka gore ga ba a rongwa ke ope. ya go tsenya Tshutiso e, jaanong ke botsa gore fa a Ba tsene ka mabaka fela fa gongwe o ka se keng wa a lemogile gore go na le fa Ntlo e nang teng, e bile fa e tlhaloganya gore ke a a ntseng jang. nang teng e tlhokana le gore e thibiwe, a ke a tlogele e ne fela, metsi a tsorotlhe fela? Ke a leboga. Jaanong go na le lebaka la Domkrag la gore kana go sale go builwe gore Batswana ba dumalane, mogopolo o o DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a batliwa ke Batswana. Ga o ka ke wa tsaya patlo-maikutlo leboga Honourable Monnakgotla. Eo re tlaa e bua kwa ya 22 years ago o bo o re o e dirisa gompieno, o re go teeng. ntse jaaka go ntse. Batswana ba fetogile. Ga o ka ke wa Kgang e ke batlang go tsena mo go yone ke ya gore, go

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na le batho ba ba tlhophilweng Mr Speaker ba ba tlang ke ditlhopho ba mo neela bokhanselara. Ya re ba bona mo Palamenteng go tla go buelela batho, mme e re ba gore bo bonnyennyane thata, ba bo ba tla go baakanya tsena mo Palamenteng, ba bo ba ganana le sengwe le molao ba oketsa palo ya batho ba ba ka tlhophiwang mo sengwe se e leng dikeletso tsa batho. Batho ba ke bone Ntlong e ka two gore ba tle ba tlise Rre Reatile mo teng. ba re ka bong re tla ka molao Mr Speaker wa gore ra Ke sa reye gore Rre Reatile o ne a le molato, mme e le reng ka bone. Ba e tlaa reng re re, batho ba Modimo, kgang fela ya gore ba a ikgotsofatsa. batho ba wela mo isong, e re ntswa Ipelegeng ya lona e sena mosola mo go kalokalo, mme ga le ka ke la e emisa Gape ba kile ba re ba sena go nna ba latlhegelwa ke le ise le tle ka e nngwe, ke eng le sa name ba ntse ba kgang kwa court ya gore barutabana fa ba tshwaya takisatakisa ka yone. Motho a bo a tla a gana fela. A bo (mark) e a bo e se piece job. Ya re fa ba sena go nna re re maVDC ke a batho betsho ga ba a bolo go lela, a ba latlhegelwa ke kgang eo, e bo e le gore jaanong ba re boneng gore re dira eng gore ba bone sengwenyana, tla mo Palamenteng ba dira molao wa gore go tshwaya ba bo ba tla ba gana, ba gana fela! Ke gore jaanong ba ga barutabana ke nngwe ya tiro ya bone. Re ne ra tlhophilwe ke batho kwa matlhophelong, fa ba tsena gana Honourable Dr Dow a bo a boela kwa morago kwano ba emetse Domkrag fela. Maabane ba letse tsamaiso eo, e le gore o tlisitse molao go tla go swelela ba gana gotwe bana ba wela mo isong ba Internship, barutabana, e le go ikgotsofatsa jaaka ba leka go dira ba a lela. Mabaka a botshelo a a ba kokonela, a re ba gore ba ikgotsofatse gompieno. akanyetseng P3 000.00, ba ganne. DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Honourable HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba emetse Domkrag. Mmolotsi, o e tshwere sentle. Banna ba le bomme ba fa e ne e le kwa bolong, fa o ka ba ela tlhoko, o ne o DR GOBOTSWANG: Ba emetse Domkrag. Kamoso ka se ke o tshameke le bone koo, ba sutisa dipale, ga gongwe re tlaabo re tla ka Motion re re, bagaetsho o ka ke wa nosa (score). Fela fa ba bona gore o a nosa, badiragatsi ba a lela, ba wela mo isong, a re boneng ba a di sutisa di ya kwa pele. Ga o ka ke wa nosa o gore ba ka direlwa botoka ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ba ya tshameka le maDomkrag ka fa ba ntseng ka teng. Ke go gana. Jaanong kgang yone e, recall, ke yone e re ka gopola nako e re neng re tshameka ka ball ya dikausu, bong re bua jalo Mr Speaker. You guys are candidates fa motho e le mong wa yone fa a bona gore le a mo for recall. Bontsi jwa lona mo Domkrag ke ba e leng gatelela, team ya gagwe e a e tsaya e tsamaya ka yone; gore batlhophi fa ba ne ba ka fiwa sebaka sa gore ba maDomkrag ka fa ba ntseng ka teng. Ke jone bothata jo gogelwe morago mo Palamenteng, bontsi jwa bone e ne e tlile gore ngwaga o o tlang ba bo ba seyo mo re bo bonang Honourable Wynter Mmolotsi. Le batla go Palamenteng because ga ba itse gore ba tletse eng. Ba tsamaisa party ka Constitution ya Botswana. Lona ba le ganetsa sengwe le sengwe fela, ba ya to caucus where itlhophetsweng le itlhokomele, letsatsi le ba sa le batleng ba tlile go tla mo Palamenteng ba bo ba sutisa molao wa they meet, fa ba tsena ba gana sengwe le sengwe. gore ba fokotsa Mapalamente a a itlhophetsweng from Le one mogoplo wa diphoko o fa o tla ka one o bo o six to four. E bo le ntshiwa motlhofo fela jaana. Jaanong re mogopolo wa diphoko re a o utlwa o kare le o ratile lona le nnetse go itumela le ba support. What is the real thata mme ga se gore e nne lenaneo la Puso, ba tlile go reason for this Bill? The real reason is to save party e e mo mathateng. The boat is sinking, le mo mathateng, e a gana. Batho ba ba loiwe. sasamogana Domkrag. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Kwa Central District Council (CDC), Honourable DR GOBOTSWANG: Fa e le gore ke boloi, moloi yo Molao o ntlhomola pelo ka gore o ipolelela gore o ka o setlhogo, o sule moloi wa teng. Fa a ne a le teng o ka lwa le rona kwa CDC. Itlhoboge motho wa Modimo, bo a setse a ba dirolotse batho ba Modimo, ba kailwe phutha fela o dire o tsamaye ka gore ga go na sepe se o batho ba. ka se dirang.

MR MMOLOTSI: On a point of clarification. Gone This has been summed up by Honourable Healy gore the jaaka o ntse o eme gone foo, gakere mme honourable o real reason is to stabilise the BDP Government. Ke sone a lemoga gore tota batho ba nako le nako fa go na le se fela. It is a very unstable Government and party. Dikobo ba batlang go ikgotsofatsa ka sone ba fetola molao? Fela di bofilwe di mo dikoloing mo go bangwe ba lonale jaaka nako e ba neng ba le lemogile gore Honourable Makhanselara, go phuthilwe go a emelelwa. Ngwaga o Reatile yo ba neng ba mo tsere kwa BNF o latlhegetswe ke wa khuduga jaanong le batla go lotlela gates. Fa le

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ka ba lotlelela mo teng, le tsile go lwa ntwa e nngwe le fenya le ya go baakanya Constitution. Jaanong fa re e le iseng le e bone ka gore kolobe le ntša ga di ke di lebile gore Constitution e tshwanetse go baakanngwa, e tsenngwa mo hokong o bo o di lotlelela mo teng. Fa bile le tlhabeletsa kgang ya gore ke eng re tshwanetse le ka dira jalo, le tlile go ikotlhaya ka gore ga le ka ke go dira dilo maketloketlo, ke eng re sa dire sentle la ba koba ka gore le patelesegile go dira ntsha Clause tsotlhe fela ra di fetsa? Ke kgang ya lona e le ntseng ya gore le ka koba motho go bo go iwa ditlhophong. le e bua. Jaanong fa go tla kwa Constitution re lebile Jaanong ga eyo, ba tlile go nna kafa, le tlile go lwa jaaka gore a comprehensive Constitution is coming le tla ka ntša le kolobe di le mo hokong. Ke sone fela se se tlileng floor crossing. Gone mo go supa selo se le sengwefela, go le diragalela. gore ga le na maikaelelo a go fetola Molaomotheo wa lefatshe le. Lona fa le re go fetola Molaomotheo Jaanong se se leng teng fela ke gore le a di bona dikwalo le raya le tlisa floor crossing. Go raya gore le feletse malatsi a di mo Facebook. Letsatsi le letsatsi kwa Central gone fa. Re le bolelele rona ba Constitution ya lona e go a tsamaiwa mme ga go ka ke ga diragala fela kwa re bitsang meratshwana, re sale re itshokile, re batla a Central, e bile ga go ka ke ga tsamaya Makhanselara comprehensive Constitutional review gore le rona re fela. La bofelo go tlaa tsamaya Mapalamente a lona tshwane le bana ba bangwe ba lefatshe le. Le rona la ka gore se le se tshabang fela ke gore Goromente o o re tlela ka ditokinyana tsa melaonyana ya bogatlapa le agetsweng mo moshaweng o ka nna a phutlhama ka letshogo le ntse le re, “hei wee! hei wee! lefatshe le tlaa gore le a itse gore re tlhokana le Mapalamente fela a le re,” lefatshe le le ntseng jang? Re itshetletse. eight kana nine Puso ya lona e bo e fedile. In fact, batho ba le bantsi ba dumela gore Puso e ga e ka ke ya fitlha MR SPEAKER: Your time is up! kwa go 2024 gotlhelele. Ke Puso e e feletsweng. DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Fa o bona Puso e setse e itsaya jaaka kganetso, e gana sengwe le sengwe… Kana motho fa e le moeng fa a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… ka tla mo Botswana a re fitlhela re le mo Palamenteng, MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR o tlile go gakgamalela gore kganetso e ka kwano mme MOLAO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Mma ke supe ba bantsi, e le gore ba ba busa jang ka gore megopolo e gore ke ema nokeng Tshutiso e. Santlha fela ke nopole tswa ka kwa go rona, lona le ba le ganetsang. mafoko a ga Richard Foltin of the Freedom Forum HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… Institute Mr Speaker, if you allow me.

DR GOBOTSWANG: O tlaa sala a tsietsegile a sa itse MR SPEAKER: Yes, please do. gore ke gore puso e ya batho ka batho ke ya mofuta MR MOLAO: E bua jaana a tlhalosa what we call an mang? Jaanong bagaetsho, mogopolo o wa lona o wa go inalienable right; “is a right that cannot be restrained or itshireletsa, wa go tsamaisa merero ya lona ya Domkrag ka go nna le tobetsatobetsa Constitution, bomaitseanape repealed by human laws. Sometimes called natural rights ba Constitution ba tlaa go bolelela gore Constitution that flow from our nature as free people.” Ke nopola ga se Manifesto wa Domkrag o o ka o fetolang jaaka mafoko a Mr Speaker ka go supa gore bakaulengwe ba o batla ngwaga mongwe le mongwe o ya ditlhophong. na le go bua gore kana fa o le Mopalamente, molao o o Constitution is not like that, it is a secrete document. tlaabo o go tseela your rights le freedoms tsa association Akanya fela Baebele fa e ne e le gore gatwe e fetolwe o jalojalo. Ke batla go supa gore nnyaa, gore re bo re bo o e neela maDomkrag gore ba nne ba e amend nako le Mapalamente fa, we are just privileged to be here. le nako fa ba batla… Jaanong, rights tsa rona fa re di abuse jaaka gongwe re HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… tlaabo re dira ka go nna re tlola re ya kwa le kwa, nnyaa, di ka tsewa fela ka molao, ga se sepe fela se se ka se DR GOBOTSWANG: …saatane o ka bo e setse e le keng sa tsewa ka molao go ya ka fa go ntseng ka teng. moruti. Go ka bo go setse go kwadilwe mo teng gore Se se leng teng fa ke gore, freedom of association, saatane le moengele ka fa ba dirang ka teng. Ga se freedom of speech, freedom of movement, molao o ga ba o ka ba letlelelang. Fa go tswa Baebele go tsena o e kganele. Se se buiwang fela se se tlhamaletseng ke Constitution, jaanong lona le e dirisa jaaka le batla. gore, fa o ne o tlhophilwe ka mmala, o setse o batla go Bagaetsho, ka ditlhopho le reile Batswana ka la re fa tsamaya, o gololesegile o ka tsamaya, mme sele se o se

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filweng ke batho, a molao o go se amoge, o boele kwa member of the BCP, who has served in the Central bathong. Bone ba re reng ba ne ba tlhopha semangmang Committee le go emela ditlhopho kwa BCP, yo o ba sa tlhophe phathi, ba tla boa ba se go busetsa fa ka tlotlwang ka dikakanyo tsa gagwe kwa phathing ya boammaaruri ba ne ba lebile wena ba sa leba phathi ka bone. Fa o ntetla Mr Speaker. nakong e ba neng ba go tlhopha. MR SPEAKER: Ke mang? Jaanong, letshogo le la gore kana re a tseelwa, ke jone boammaaruri jo bakaulengwe ba bo itseng gore tota MR MOLAO: O bidiwa Diphetogo Maswabi, o tswa ba tlhophilwe ka bophathi jwa bone. Jaanong fa ba ka kwa Mmadinare. O ne a kwala in his official Facebook tseelwa se, ba ya go jewa ke ditlhopho. Ke sone fela se page. ba se tshabang, mme fa ba dumela strongly gore go ne MR SPEAKER: Please do. go tlhophiwa bone, they should be free go ya go emela ditlhopho, ka gore batlhophi ga ba na go lapisiwa ke go MR MOLAO: A bua gore, “An official of a political boa ba fola line gape, ba ya go ba tlhopha ba ba busetsa party has to be subservient to the discipline of his/her mo Palamenteng kgotsa kwa khanseleng. Jaanong se se organisation. It therefore, follows that when a member buiwang fa gotwe, ke dirisa ditsompelo tsa me, le tsa is no longer compatible with his/her organisation, he/ bongwanake, ke rileng, ke rileng, nnyaa ga se kgang. she has to resign whatever position that would have Kgang fela ke gore batlhophi a ba fiwe sebaka sa gore ba been acquired through that organisation. Those who say neele ba bo ba tseye. Ke rona re le Puso ka melao e re e they are voted to Parliament or office on their personal dirang, e e ka re thusang gore re neele batlhophi sebaka strength, should contest as independent candidates.” A sa gore ba neele ba bo ba tseye. Kgang e e tlhamaletse, bo a tswelela a re, “Regarding the above, I am at a loss ba e ba pitlagantseng ga re itse gore e ba pitlagantse ka why UDC MPs are against floor crossing. Yes, bringing eng, kgotsa kwa ba ntseng teng, ga ba a nna sentle, ga the Motion while we are looking for a Constitutional ba na ledula, ba belaela gore ba tlaa ntshiwa, jaanong ba review is evidence that BDP is not committed to that tsaya gore molao o tlaa ba pitlaganya. process.” Ke dikakanyo tsa gagwe. A bo a wela ka gore, “even then, UDC has no moral rectitude to oppose Gape re bua ka stability Mr Speaker. Stability sa lefatshe, the Bill.” A prominent BCP member yo o itsegeng mo se botlhokwa. Re bone mo ditlhophong tse di neng phathing le kwa UDC ka dikakanyo tsa gagwe. Ke di feta, dilo tse di gakgameatsang tse re neng re sa di dumalana le dikakanyo tsa gagwe ka fa a akanyang ka tlwaela. Where sponsorships tsa diphathi di neng di tla ka mefuta e e farologaneng, from people with dubious teng, gore bao ba e leng gore bone… characters, tse bangwe go buegang gore le dikgolegelo DR GOBOTSWANG: Procedure. Mr Speaker, ke ba kile ba tshegediwa, ba gweba ka ditagi, ba reng, ba mo utlwa kwa a tsamaelang teng, ka gore o mo go reng. Where there is no stability, it is easy for either a lotlhanyeng. Motho yo a ka bong a mo nopola, yo o terrorist organisation, drug lord, war lord or a tribal lord to come and buy Puso, go sa kgathalesege gore go gaufi le pelo ya gagwe, ke veteran D. K. Kwelagobe busa bomang. A tla ka matshebetshebe a madi, a bo a tla gore ene a reng. Fa a ne a ka ba nopola a ba bapisitse a reka Puso, a ntsha Puso e e mo teng, a bo a install ya Mr Speaker, o ne a ka thusa setšhaba go tlhaloganya gagwe, e e yang go tsamaisa interests tsa gagwe, tse e gore kgang e batho ba e bua ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ba seng interests tsa setšhaba. Go botlhokwa gore go nne diphathi tse di farologanyeng. Gongwe gone moo, go le molao o o ntseng jaana, o ka kganela one matshosetsi ne go ka thusa Mr Speaker, gore a ba bapise a ba quote a gore you can have a drug lord somewhere, a tla ka botlhe. Ke a leboga. madimadi, a bo a tla a reka Puso le Mapalamente a MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, continue, there tlhama phathi e ntšha, a bo a ntsha Puso e e tlhophilweng is no procedure. ke batho mid-term, a bo a install ya gagwe to pursue the interests tsa gagwe. Batlhophi kwa gae, ba bo ba sena MR MOLAO: Re bona one ao Mr Speaker. Se ke sepe se ba ka se itirang. Jaanong, go botlhokwa gore batlang go se gatelela ke gore, ke dumalana le dikakanyo molao o, o sireletse diemo tse di ntseng jaana, ka gore tsa ga Rre Maswabi gore, tota fa e ne e le gore ra re di kgona go direga, e bile matshosetsi a setse a le teng a re tlhophiwa ka bo rona, re ka bo re sa tshwenyege go gore di ka direga. Ke dilo tse di teng. tlhola re tabogile fa morago ga diphathi. Re ka bo re ema fela re le mekoko, re bo re tlhophiwa ka gore ra re Mr Speaker, ke batla nopola mafoko a a prominent rona re na le bokgoni jo bo gakgamatsang, jo bo gaisang

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go emela ditlhopho o emetse phathi. Re ka bo fela re le PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 2:00 P.M. fa re le mekoko, go sena le fa e le bothata. MR SPEAKER: Let us resume our business of today Se ke se buang ke gore, a batlhophi ba fiwe sebaka, with questions. fa jaaka ke tlhophilwe kwa Shashe West ka talama ya Domkrag e ke dumelang mo go yone, fa ke sa tlhole QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER jaanong ke eletsa ditsamaiso tsa Domkrag, a ke tseye LIMID PROGRAMME IN NORTH EAST tshwetso ke boele kwa Shashe West, ke ye go raya batlhophi ba Shashe West ke re, ke fano, phathi e le MR S. N. MOABI (TATI WEST): asked the Minister nthomileng ka yone ga re sa tlhole re dumalana, ke kopa of Agricultural Development and Food Security what le nkgolole ke ye kwa phathing e nngwe kgotsa ke le measures are in place to assist people in the North East emele ke le mokoko. Ditlhopho di tlaa bidiwa, fa ba District who cannot fully utilise Livestock Management dumalana le nna ba tlaa ntlhopha. Fa ba sa dumalane, and Infrastructure Development (LIMID) Programme ba tlaa ntlogela ke ya kwa ke yang teng, ke sa tsamae ka due to shortage of land. seat kana tlhopho ya bone. Later Date. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. LEATHER PARK PROJECT MR MOLAO: Ke sone fela se se kopiwang ke molao o. MR M. REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Jaanong fa re inyanyarela re re re a bo re ya go tswalelwa asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry mo lesakeng, molao o ga o re you cannot defect le fa o to update this Honourable House on the leather park le teng, you can defect, but cause a vacancy go bo go project and how far the ministry is on its development. ya go tlhophiwa. Molao o e bile ga o tswelele o re, if you have defected o batla go emela ditlhopho gape mid- ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, term, wena jaanong you are blacklisted, o tlaa kganelwa. TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke Nnyaa, o ya go tswelela fela Tshere o emela ditlhopho a go leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a go dumedisa le batlotlegi gape kwa Mahalapye West ka phathi e ntšha ya gago, botlhe letsatsi la gompieno. Mr Speaker, Goromente wa ba bo ba go tlhopha fa e le gore ba ne ba dumela mo go Botswana o ne a tsaya tshwetso ya go simolodisa lefelo wena o le Tshere, ba sa dumele mo UDC ka nako eo. le le yang go dira madirelo a a amanang le kgwebo ya Jaanong, o se ka wa tshoga o re you will be blacklisted, matlalo ka ngwaga wa 2015 kwa Lobatse. Se se ne sa gotwe ga o na go emela ditlhopho gape. simolodisiwa ka go dira kompone ya ga Goromente e e itebagantseng le tiro e ya Leather Park Industry ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. 2016. Go ne ga dirwa kompone e e itebagantseng le MR MOLAO: Ke sone fela se molao o bathobetsho, project e. Kompone e e bidiwa Special Purpose Vehicle. o se buang. Re tshwanetse ra dumalana le one, Go ne ga dirwa tshekatsheko ya boleng jwa tikologo, Constitutional review e e comprehensive re tlaabo re mme ga ntshiwa report ka 2017; Environmental ya kwa go yone re sena dikgang tsa floor crossing, we Impact Assessment (EIA). Ga dirwa design; mealo stabilise ka gore ga re ka ke ra… e e neng ya tlhomamisiwa and approved ka 2018. Ga MR SPEAKER: Order! Order Honourable Molao! bo ga dirwa le tumalano ya gore go ka agiwa, mo ka Sekgoa gotweng Building Permit ka ngwaga wa 2018. Order! Kwa tshimologong, Goromente o ne a ratile gore a HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tshwaraganne tiro e le moitseanape, mo ba tlaabong ba farologanya diabe ka sephatlo sa lekgolo, 50 per MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, ga ke ise ke rialo. Ten minutes, cent wa ga Goromente, 50 per cent wa moitseanape fa e le gore o teng ke tumalano ya bone, ga e nkame. mo tirong e. Ka bomadimabe, Goromente a se ka a This is the COVID time, please let us adjourn. We have bona moitseanape yo o kgatlhegelang go tshwaragana lunch and then we should come back to the House at 2 le ene mo tirong e. Ka December 2019, Goromente o p.m. Let us adjourn. ne a sekaseka thulaganyo e ya gore o tswelela jang ka tiro e, mme a tsaya tshwetso ya gore o e dira a le nosi. PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:00 P.M. FOR Se sa dira gore Goromente a simolodise go lebelela APPROXIMATELY 1 HOUR tshekatsheko ya go dira mealo; basic infrastructure.

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Mealo e e supang go tsenya pipeline ya metsi, go tsenya January 2021, le tlaabo le dirisa molao ofe motlotlegi, metlakase, go dira fa go tlaabong go tshololwa metsi kana le wena o batla to cancel it jaaka SPEDU? a a leswe le fa go tlaabong go tshololwa tsotlhe tse di tswang mo kgwebong e. Go bo go dirwa diofisi le fa MR MOLEBATSI: Mr Speaker, ke kopa a boelele go direlwang matlalo teng, mo ka Sekgoa gotweng a potso, ga ke mo utlwe sentle. tannery le tsotlhe tsa boitseanape tse di tlhokafalang. MR REATILE: Mr Speaker, a re ga a nkutlwe ka gore Go ne ga tsewa tshwetso ya gore the private sector e ke tsentse ditomo. Jaanong ga ke itse gore ke tlaa dira ka dira tannery gone fa go direlwang matlalo teng le jang ka gore ke tsamaiso. Motlotlegi, wa re o ya to award ntlo e go tlaabong go bewa tse di sugilweng kana a tender ka January 2021, jaanong ka re, mo tsamaisong warehouse. After the business model was approved, le ya lefatshe la Botswana, tender fa e tswaletswe, it has ka fa go tlaabong go ntshiwa madi ka teng, tiro e ne to be awarded within 90 days. Ka 90 days o sale a feta, ya simolola ka go leba gore go tlhokafala eng gore go wena ya gago ke eng fa o re o ya go e ntsha ka January agiwe dikago tse ke ntseng ke bua ka tsone tse, which 2021? O tlaabo o dirisa molao ofe, kana o batla to cancel is the bills of quantities. E bo e leba gore go dirwa jang it jaaka ya Selebi Phikwe kwa SPEDU? Le gompieno ga gore go ntshiwe tender document. Baikopedi ba tle go o nkutlwe? ikopela gore ba dire project e, le gore go anamisiwa MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker. Ke jang this tender. Tsamaiso e ka bomadimabe ya diiwa a mo utlwa jaanong. Se ke neng ke se bua ke gore ke COVID-19 pandemic. tshekatsheko ya tender fa e tsamayang teng, it has been Mr Speaker, fa re tsamayang teng gompieno, tender ya evaluated. Go raya gore shortlisting has been done. go dira mealo jaaka ke ne ke e bua; basic infrastructure, Gongwe go emetswe fela gore go tsenwe mo legatong e setse e sekasekilwe. E mo seemong se e leng gore le lengwe la gore go tlhomamisiwe sentle gore a tota se boitseanape jwa go leba tenders tse, ba dira legato le se neng se diragala gone kwa adjudication, go dirilwe lengwe la go sekaseka labofelo, le gotweng adjudication. sentle. Gone jaaka o ne o bua, ke gone go tila gore re Tsholofelo ke gore tender e, e bo e abilwe ka January se ka ra nna le seemo se o se buang, se o fileng sekai ka 2021. Re solofetse gore dikago di bo di feletse ka sone sa kwa Selebi Phikwe sa mealo ya kwa SPEDU ngwaga wa madi wa 2020/2021. Dikago tse gore di fele, gore dilo di tsamaye sentle. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. go tlaa tsaya dikgwedi di le 18. Dikago tse dingwe tse GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD di setseng, di tlaa dirwa fa tse re di bitsang re re basic infrastructure, tse ke neng ke di bua tsa metsi le the MR O. REGOENG (MOLEPOLOLE NORTH): pipes, di setse di fedile. asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security to state: Mr Speaker, lephata la rona le ntse le phatlalatsa dikgang tse le makalana a a farologaneng; public institutions tsa (i) if the ministry is amenable to allowing interested ga Goromente le batsayakarolo ba ba farologaneng gore Batswana to venture into unconventional re tsenye livestock improvement strategies. Re baakanye production of genetically modified food; and fa dikgomo di tlaa bolaelwang teng. Re bo re dire fa re (ii) if he can confirm or deny the presence of yang go phutha, re bo re tsaya matlalo teng. Re bo re genetically modified products/food in local stores. ruta Batswana le go batla baitseanape ba ba tlaabong ba bereka mo tirong e, ba gotweng tannery operators Later Date. gore tiro e, e tle e tsamaye sentle ka bonokopila. Ke a go INCOMPLETE STAFF HOUSES AT OKAVANGO leboga Mr Speaker. JUNIOR SECONDARY SCHOOL

MR REATILE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr MR K. C. HIKUAMA (NGAMI): asked the Minister Speaker. Mr Speaker, gongwe motlotlegi o ka re thusa of Basic Education if he is aware of the incomplete ka go araba potso e khutshwanyane ka boleele jo bo and/or abandoned staff houses at Okavango Junior kalo. Fa o re tender e ya to be awarded ka January Secondary School; and if so, to state: 2021, gakere le sale le bapaditse gore baikopedi ba ba (i) which construction company was awarded the ka dirang tiro e, ba e dire. Le setse le tswaletse mme a tender to build those staff houses; tender run for 90 days and then award. Jaanong fa o re

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(ii) what were the main reasons for abandonment of dirilweng. construction; and MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ka maswabi, (iii) what the ministry is doing to ensure the project is ga ke a tshwara leina la kompone eo Rre Hikuama. completed. STATE OF ROADS AT SETTLEMENTS IN ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION KGALAGADI NORTH (MS MAKWINJA): Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, I am aware of the abandoned works at MS. T. MONNAKGOTLA (KGALAGADI NORTH): Okavango Junior Secondary School. The works were asked the Minister of Transport and Communications if awarded to BB1212 Investment Pty Ltd. The company he is aware that Kgalagadi North residents have been abandoned the works due to its poor work performance. complaining about roads at settlements through their My ministry has engaged another contractor to complete different Members of Parliament and if so: the works which will commence in January 2021. I (i) will the Minister consider attending to the terrible thank you Mr Speaker. state of these roads as a matter of urgency; MR HIKUAMA: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Tona. (ii) to state if he would gravel the Hukuntsi-Ukwi Ke ne ke eleditse go itse gore kompone e e setseng e via Zutshwa road and Hukuntsi-Hunhukwe via filwe, e re lebileng gore e ya go simolola tiro, ke efe ka Lehututu road; and leina? (iii) whether he is aware that these roads have been MS MAKWINJA: Thank you. I did not get the name gradually getting worse. of the contractor because it was not in the question Mr Speaker. Thank you. MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Mr MR MOATLHODI: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Speaker, the general public and local leadership in the Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisano tsa Palamente; good Kgalagadi North District have on several occasions afternoon Sir. Motlotlegi Tona wa Thuto, ke gore fa alerted my ministry on what they term as unsatisfactory gotwe motho yo o tseetswe tiro ka lebaka la gore o ne a road conditions in the area. The main contention is the le botlhaswa mo tirong, o ne a se ka a tlhatlhojwa pele condition of gravel and earth roads, including those ga a neelwa tiro e e botlhokwatlhokwa e? leading to settlement areas. MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke gopola In addressing these concerns, I must point out the gore motlotlegi o a itse gore go na le procedures kana following: systems in place tsa the tendering process tse e leng gore pele ga motho a fiwa tiro, go a bo go tsamailwe • That my ministry has a responsibility of a network mesepelenyana, go bo gotwe o ka bona tiro e ka se o se of 1 043 kilometres (km) in the Kgalagadi North, of isitseng kwa go ba ba tlhatlhobang. Go raya gore nako which 248km is paved roads and 795km is unpaved ya teng ba ne ba bone gore o ka dira tiro motlotlegi. roads; Thank you. • Lack of suitable, quality road construction material MR HIKUAMA: Supplementary Mr Speaker. and limited resources has put pressure on my ministry to ensure the roads (especially gravel and MR SPEAKER: Honourable Hikuama, last earth roads) are in good condition; supplementary. • That prioritisation of such roads is primary as MR HIKUAMA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. I am not Government wants to ensure that its services are happy ka karabo ya ga Tona. A re ba na le kompone enjoyed by all. e ba e fileng, e bile e a simolola ka January, mme ga a itse leina la yone. A mme o raya gore batho ba ka (i) Having said this Mr Speaker, my ministry grades these roads once every quarter. All roads in the dumela gore o ka neela kompone mme o sa itse gore ke Kgalagadi North were therefore last graded from kompone mang? Kana o gana go araba? Re kopa leina the 22nd July 2020 to the 23rd September 2020 using la kompone e le rona re kgotsofale gore go na le se se

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outsourced contractors and Roads Department in- go dirwa ga kae kwa go nang le letswai, kwa ba ka bong house teams. ba dira business? Ke a leboga.

(ii) The road from Hukuntsi to Ukhwi via Zutshwa is MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. O ne o botsa about 176km long, and out of 176km, 161km has gore material wa tsela ya sekontere o ne o tsewa kae? been graveled. Out of the remaining 15km, 8.6km Ga ke itse gore o raya efe ka tlhomamo. Ga ke a tshwara will be gravelled through the ongoing 2020/2021 se ke ka go rayang ka re re ne re tsaya material fa, mme project from Ncaang to Ukhwi. se ke ka go se tlhomamisetsang ke gore go boammaaruri re sokola go bona material wa go aga ditsela kwa The Hukuntsi-Hunhukwe via Lehututu is 77km long, Kgalagadi. Re tlaa leka motlotlegi, kana re tlhoka gravel which Hukuntsi-Lehututu (10km) is tarred and has ya boleng jo bo rileng gore re kgone go bereka ka yone recently been rehabilitated. Lehututu-Hunhukwe (67km) mo ditseleng tse, mme re ntse re a tswelela re a e batla. comprises of 22km graveled section and 45km earth Ke ka go fa dikai tsa dingwe tsa projects tse re neng sections. Funds permitting, my ministry will consider re kgona go tsamaisa aggregate stones, kilometres (km) gravelling some of the road sections with heavy sand in tse di tshwarang close to bo 900. Re a sokola go bona the 2021/2022 financial year. material fa re dira ditsela tse.

(iii) Some but not all sections of gravel roads in the Ke utlwile o bua ka tsela ya Hukuntsi/Hunhukwe fa Kgalagadi North are gradually worsening despite e le gore ke ne ke go utlwa sentle, ke lekile go araba being periodically graveled. This is due to the gore seemo sa yone se ntse jang. Ke yone karabo e ke disintegration of the layers of gravel, as well as dumelang gore re e efe ba ba kwa kgaolong, kana ke ne to other factors such as changing traffic patterns, ke e fela gore e fetele kwa go bone, le fa ke santse ke lack of good quality road construction material tlaa ya kwa go bone, ke ba fe tekodiso ya gore tsela e e and climate change. The most catastrophic effects tsamaya jang. Ke a leboga motlotlegi. of extreme weather events may lead to increased rates of deterioration in the area. SHOSHONG SENIOR SECONDARY SCHOOL DORMITORY Further to that, the lack of or the unavailability of clean water for construction of these gravel roads result in the MR A. LESASO (SHOSHONG): Asked the Minister use of saline water. Salinity in the gravel layers attracts of Basic Education to state: animals (both wild and domestic) that take to licking/ (i) the boarding facilities standards and student: biting the road resulting in development of potholes. dormitory ratio; and

Lastly Mr Speaker, I want to reiterate that despite these (ii) what is the student: dormitory ratio at Shoshong challenges, the conditions of gravel roads in Kgalagadi Senior Secondary School and if that is in line with North is fair to good with pockets of bad spots especially the national standard. after the rains. I thank you Mr Speaker. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION MS MONNAKGOTLA: Supplementary. Thank you (MS MAKWINJA): Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker. Ke utlwa Tona a bua gore materials kwa Kgalagadi ga di yo, mme ke ipotsa gore dikontere (i) My ministry builds dormitories of different tse di neng di dirwa mo Matsheng roads, material o designs in different schools, and therefore, ne o tsewa kae o e leng gore ga o ka ke wa dirisiwa does not have a standard ratio for a dormitory. kwa settlements Minister? Tsela ya kwa Lehututu– However, when we design dormitories, the size of Hunhukwe e motlhaba, jaanong dikoloi tse re nang le the rooms determines the number of boarders who tsone tse di suleng Minister, baimana jaanong gompieno can comfortably be accommodated therein. ba tsholela le mo ditseleng. Ga go na tsela Minister. Ke setse ke sa itse gore ke ka raya bomme bale ke reng, e (ii) Shoshong Senior Secondary School has 128 bile fa ke tsena mo Kgotleng, ke a tshoga. Jaanong ga ke dormitories for both boys and girls, with a total itse gore wa re fa ke tsena kwa Kgotleng ke ye go raya enrolment of 560 boarding students. This gives a batho bale ke reng? Ke go botse gore, mme gone fa o re ratio of 4:3 per dormitory. Currently, two blocks they are being gravelled, yone ya Zutshwa–Hukuntsi, of 32 rooms in the boys’ hostels have not been

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occupied as they were undergoing renovations (ii) how much Government has had to pay out as a which is now complete. The boys then shared the result of lost cases at Arbitration; available facilities at seven per room, which still allowed for adherence to the social distancing (iii) how much Government has paid in respect of protocol as espoused in the Ministry of Health damages for wrongful prosecution; and and Wellness in the fight against the COVID-19 (iv) if the Minister is satisfied with the performance of scotch. I thank you. the DPP and if not, what specific actions are being MR LESASO: Supplementary. Mr Speaker, I wish re taken to remedy the situation. ka bo re tle re go fe evidence fa re botsa dipotso tse Later Date. di ntseng jaana ka gore Minister o a itse gore ga a nkarabe ka fa tlhamalalong le boammaaruri. Dipotso FUNDS FROM TOURISM OPERATORS tse ke ntseng ke di botsa throughout the week, ke ne MR D. SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Asked ke botsa kabomo; standards, health and safety and the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources environment, maintenance standards tsa dikole. Ke Conservation and Tourism if her ministry is in receipt kopa go botsa Minister gore, is she aware gore students of funds from tourism operators within concession areas are poorly accommodated throughout the country mo allocated to Community Trusts; and if so, to state: dikoleng tsotlhe tse di mo Botswana? Is she aware that bana ba sekole ba e leng gore are accommodated (i) how much is held for each Community Trust; by the Government, ba tsenelela mo dikoleng tse di sa siamang, ba robala mo malaong a a sa siamang? (ii) when such funds were received; and Dikarabo tsa gagwe tsotlhe throughout this week as I (iii) why the funds have not been remitted to the was building this case, gotlhe ga go a siama. A o tlaa Community Trusts. reetsa dikgakololo tse ke di mo fang ka dipotso tse gore a kgone go dira sengwe mo dikoleng tsa Botswana? Later Date.

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke gopola MR GREEFF: Question 4 for Honourable Brooks. gore Rre Lesaso le bangwe ba Mapalamente fa ke tsamaile le bone thata re lebile seemo sa dormitories, GRADERS AT KGALAGADI SOUTH e bile ga go na ope yo o ka ganelang gore seemo se CONSTITUENCY maswe. E bile ka bonya ka bonya, mo re nang le gone re go neela Head teachers go leka go baakanya. Ke itse MR J. S. BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): Asked seemo se se kwa Shoshong, ke se iponetse ka matlho. Le the Minister of Transport and Communications to state: mo dikoleng tse dingwe, ga se sone fela. Rre Lesaso, ke kope batlotlegi gore ka tsweetswee, dikole tse dingwe (i) how many graders had been allocated to the tse o tlaa fitlhela go thubegile matlhabaphefo, e le bana Kgalagadi South Constituency for the past six ba sekole, materase e le bone ba a kgagolang, jaanong years; ke re ga re gane gore dikole di mo seemong se se sa (ii) how many have broken down; and siamang. Re thuseng le bue le botsadi gore bana ba se ka ba senya dikole. Rre Lesaso, kgang e le rona e a re (iii) the ministry’s future plans regarding these tshwenya thata re le kwa education. Thank you. machines. DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a yo. MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): Asked the MR SPEAKER: Number 12. Hang on. Minister of Defence, Justice and Security to apprise …Silence… this Honourable House on the financial impact of cases that the Department of Public Prosecutions (DPP) has MR SPEAKER: What happened to Number 4? handled and lost over the last five years at both the Courts of Law and Arbitration in particular: HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)…

(i) how much Government has had to pay out as a MR SPEAKER: Number 4 ke ya ga Honourable result of being sued over lost cases at the courts; Brooks.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… charge clients as well as debtors for deposit for fuel charges, and that they later do not reimburse MR SPEAKER: The Minister is not there? the clients.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND MR SPEAKER: Minister o teng. That is why I called SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Good afternoon Mr Number 4. Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)...

MR SPEAKER: Okay, it is right at the back. Sorry. MR MMUSI: …(Laughter!)… Ke gore o mpuisa jang?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Question Number 4 go (i) The Deputy Sherrifs’ tariffs are provided for under lebega Minister a seyo. Order 72 of the rules of the High Court. In terms of Order 72 Rule 2; where there is more than one MR SPEAKER: O dule? way of doing any particular act, the Deputy Sheriff shall adopt the least expensive way. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… (ii) Where there are complaints or disputes of MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale, I think you escalated or exorbitant costs, the Register and should get your Whip to make sure that the Ministers Master is empowered to mediate and take action. are in to answer questions. Order 72 of the Rules of the High Court provides MR KEORAPETSE: Question 5 for Honourable the schedule of tariffs that sets out what is tangible, Mokwaledi Ignatious Moswaane. including the rules applicable for transport charges, which are similar to those applicable to LIMID BACKLOG persons employed in the public service. The same principle applies to the cost of meals. MR M. I. MOSWAANE (FRANCISTOWN WEST): Asked the Minister of Agricultural Development (iii) Mr Speaker, I do acknowledge that due to the and Food Security if he is aware of the Livestock passage of time, the fees are outdated and need Management and Infrastructure Development (LIMID) to be reviewed, and to that end, I confirm that backlog; and if so, to state what he is planning to do. proposals have been submitted to the Chief Justice for consideration. Order 72 Rule 3 of the High HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Court provides that where there is a complaint MR SPEAKER: Ga ba yo. That is on your shoulders or dispute as to the validity or amount of charges Honourable Molale. or fees, the Master is empowered to mediate and to determine fees as he may deem reasonable or MR TSHERE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Question necessary. Members of the public are therefore Number 8. encouraged to report any dubious charges made against them. While there is no provision in the EXORBITANT FEES BY DEPUTY SHERIFFS High Court rules for fuel charges, they are catered MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister for under the travelling allowance provided for in of Defence, Justice and Security to state: the rules.

(i) If he is aware of the exorbitant fees that are I thank you Mr Speaker. charged by Deputy Sheriffs to the extent that the charges are almost equal to charges by lawyers; MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Honourable Minister, ke a leboga. Ke botsa gore, a o a lemoga gore (ii) why the Registrar of the High Court cannot provide bo Deputy Sheriff ka fa ba itshwarang ka teng, ba setse e a schedule of their fees including food, transport, le gore jaanong ba na le dithata tse di fetang le tsa yone accommodation and collection percentage; and Sheriff? Jaanong ke botsa gore a go na le sengwe se le se dirang gore bo Deputy Sheriff ba tsene mo tseleng? (iii) if he is also aware that some Deputy Sheriffs Batho ba le bantsi ba latlhegetswe ke dithoto ka ntata ya

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bomenemene jwa Deputy Sheriffs. A go na le sengwe se question was answered before in March of 2019 in Sheriff a se dirang jaaka re bua jaana? which I stated that;

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke dumalana (i) I am aware that some people paid connection fees le wena Honourable Member, dikgang tse di a goroga and were not connected to the sewerage scheme kwa go rona, le last week we were dealing with some due to technical challenges in relation to ground of them, re ntse re kopa Master gore a di tlhotlhomise, elevations. a di sale morago, a bone gore o a di baakanya. Batho fa ba na le dingongorego ba a di tlisa kwa go rona kwa (ii) Mr Speaker, during the construction phase of lephateng, jaaka o itse gore re na le Lephata la Justice the Serowe Water Works Project, residents were le le eteletsweng ke Permanent Secretary, fa go na le encouraged to pay a connection fee of P1000 to dikgang fela re a di tsaya re bo di neela Master gore ba the then Department of Water Affairs in Serowe leke go di baakanya, ba di rarabolole. Ke a leboga Mr for them to be connected to the scheme and they Speaker. duly paid. Unfortunately, 598 of those who paid could not be connected due to some technicalities MR TSHERE: Supplementary. Thank you very such as plots situated at a lower level than the much Honourable Speaker and thank you very much connection point resulted in no gravitational flow Honourable Keorapetse for explaining these terms to us. because of the slope. Kana lawyers ba na le Law Society which governs them, as a biomedical engineer, go na le Botswana Health (iii) Mr Speaker, in October 2017, the ministry set up a Professions Council, ba ba di Sheriff ba tlhokometswe team to assess and recommend corrective measures ke mang kwa o ka ikuelang teng? Ke a utlwa gore countrywide as the challenge did not only affect Master o ka tshereganya. Thank you. Serowe. The team recommended that an estimated amount of P600 million will be needed to correct MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker, Honourable the status quo and connect the remaining 598 Member, jaaka ke tlhalositse gore molao o ke wa residents into the scheme. It was the result of the bogologolo mme gompieno jaana re tshwere, re a findings that compelled the ministry to prioritise leka gore re o tlise mo melaong ya gompieno gore re the stated connection, but could not succeed due to baakanye, ba nne le yo o tlaabong a ba tlhokometse. financial limitation. Efforts were made to include Gompieno ba santse ba le ka fa tlase ga ga the Master, the estimate during Mid-Term Review of NDP but we are trying to make sure that re baakanya sengwe 11 but were unsuccessful as priority was given to le sengwe. I thank you Mr Speaker. ongoing projects.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mathoothe for The Government therefore does not have any intention Honourable Lesedi! to refund, but will rather pitch the request again together with other competing proposals for inclusion into NDP CONNECTION TO SEWAGE LINES 12. I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR L. LESEDI (SEROWE SOUTH): asked the MR MATHOOTHE: Supplementary. Ke re Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation ...(Interruptions!)... kana jaanong batho ba ba sale ba Services: ntshitse madi, go le lebaka, mo gongwe madi a teng fa ba ne ba a tsentse mo bankeng, a ka bo a setse a ba (i) if he is aware that some people who paid the then tsaletse merokotso e e rileng. Ntlha e a e lebelela thata, Water Affairs Department in Serowe to connect to gore a ba ka se ke ba akanye gore kwa bofelong maybe sewage lines never received the service they paid refund batho ba go nna jalo? for or reimbursement; and MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo (ii) to state when Government intends to refund all tsa Palamente. Ke arabile, ke rile re le lephata, re ne ra those who were not connected to the sewage lines ntsha madi a a kana ka P278 million mo ditogamaanong but had paid. tsone tse, mme ka maswabi ga tlhaela. Re ne ra tlhaelelwa ke P600 million, mme ga go reye gore re ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LAND emisitse tlhabololo e. Go raya gore ga re ka ke ra ba MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION busetsa madi ka gore go ba busetsa madi, e tlaabo e le SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Mr Speaker, this bontlha bongwe jwa gore jaanong re tswale project. Ke

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a leboga. Ke batla go wetsa ka kgang ya gore e re ntswa fa gongwe re tlhophiwa ka boleng jwa rona, ditshekatsheko First Readings di a supa gore bokete jwa tlhopho bo tswa mo go PRESENTATION OF GOVERNMENT tlwaelesegileng mo go bidiwang gotwe traditional BILLS party voters. Ba bangwe ba bo swing voters e a bo e le motlaleletsa mo godimo ga se phathi e a bong e se The following Bills were presented and read a first go file. Fa e ne e le gore re tlhophiwa ka borona fela, time. re ka bo re sa tshwenyege go ya kwa diphathing. Re ka LOCAL GOVERNMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL, bo re ema fela re le nosi, re le mekoko. Go supa gore 2020 (NO. 24 OF 2020) re a itse gore phathi e re tlisetsa bokete jwa ditlhopho, ke sone se re emang ka fa tlase ga ticket ya phathi re bo (Assistant Minister of Local Government and Rural re tlalelediwa ke ba re ka ba bitsang re re swing voters. Development) Mr Speaker, molao o o siame; o siametse democracy Second Reading - Later Date. le stability sa lefatshe. Ke dumela gore le batlhophi ba SEX OFFENDERS REGISTRY BILL tlaa o rata. Fa e le gore batlhophi ga ba o rate, e tlaa re (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2020 (NO. 22 OF 2020) ka 2021 ba tlaa tlhalosa gore ga ba o rate. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. (Minister of Defence, Justice and Security) ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY Second Reading – Later Date. EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (MR SHAMUKUNI): Ke a leboga CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2020 (NO. 14 OF 2020) Mr Speaker. Ke eme go ema nokeng Bill jaaka re e beilwe pele ke Honourable Morwaeng. Dikakanyo le Second Reading megopolo ya me ka Bill e ga di pharologanyo le tsa baeteledipele ba kganetso ba motia ba bogologolo, bo (Resumed Debate) Dr Kenneth Koma, Maitswarelo Dabutha le Paul Rantao MR SPEAKER: Order! Order, Honourable Members. ba ba kileng ba ema ba support mogopolo o jaaka o ne The debate on this Bill is resuming. When the House o bewa pele e le Motion ka 7th August ka ngwaga wa adjourned for lunch and COVID-19 break, Honourable 1998. If there is doubt Mr Speaker, ke kopa o mphe tetla Molao for Shashe West was on the floor and was left ya gore ke nopole ba le babedi. with 10 minutes and 39 seconds. MR SPEAKER: Please do. MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke go garela fela MR SHAMUKUNI: Ke nopole Dr Koma, “Mr Speaker, gore e rile ka 6th November 2020 le 8th November 2020 I stand to support the Motion in principle. Because of the ke tshwere diphuthego di le pedi kwa kgaolong ya principle, I maintain we should all support.” If there is me tsa boeteledipele; Dikgosi, Makhanselara, Village doubt ka the principle that Dr Koma was talking about, Development Committees (VDCs) le dikomiti tsa vet, ntetle gape ke nopole principle jaaka a ne a e atolosa. mme ka ba lekodisa molao o le tse dingwe. Boeteledipele kwa kgaolong ba ne ba o atla gore ba dumela gore molao MR SPEAKER: Please do. o o tlaabo o neela setšhaba dithata tsa gore e nne bone ba MR SHAMUKUNI: “Mr Speaker, MPs and Councillors ba reng fa e le gore o fetola mebala ya diphathi, fa e le are elected for a definite purpose and I believe this gore ba dumela gore ba dumela mo go wena, ba tlaa boa purpose is to advance and popularise the policies of ba go busetsa e ntse e le bone. Ke sone se e rileng ke ba the party that brings them to Parliament or Council.” lekodisa ba dumalana jalo. Le nna ke dumela gore tota It is very clear Mr Speaker, gore moeteledipele wa ka se se buiwang fa ga re tseelwe ditshwanelo tsa rona re kwa wa bogologolo maikutlo a gagwe le ba a neng a le Mapalamente le Makhanselara. Batlhophi ba rona ba na le bone mo Palamenteng ka Motion o e ne e le a a fiwa dithata gore e nne bone ba ba laolang gore a o boela ntseng jang. Mo nakong ya gompieno, ga ke itse gore kwa Palamenteng, khanseleng kgotsa ba kgaogana le bagaetsho ba tsiediwa ke eng ka gore it is quite clear wena ba batla o sele. gore molao jaaka re o dira gompieno, maikaelelo ke to

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entrench democracy; go godisa lentswe la batlhophi gore Mopalamente a le one. Go supa gore batlhophi, fa ba na tshwetso nngwe le nngwe e Motlotlegi Mopalamente a le tšhakgalo, ba dirisa thata eo to punish you. Ba BCP e tsayang mabapi le go fetola diphathi, batlhophi ba nne ka ditlhopho tsa 2014, ba tsile ba le bararonyana fela… le seabe. We should go back to our electorates go bua le MR HIKUAMA: On a point of clarification. Ke a bone. Ke bone ba ba ka re fang a green light ya gore a leboga honourable, thank you for yielding. Ke dumalana re tsamaya le wena or ga re tsamaye le wena. It is very le wena thata, gore fa batlhophi ba šhakgetse ba kgona clear, Molao-kakanyetso o ke go leka go godisa lentswe go dira tiro ka tsela e e siameng. Selo se se already self- leo la batlhophi. regulatory, ke eng se direlwa molao?

Ga ke itse gore o tshabiwa eng Mr Speaker. Fa re le Sa bobedi, ke eng o sa dirisa sekai se se siameng sa confident jaaka bangwe ba bua gore ba tlile fa ka gore go gore Bagalatia Arone fa a sena go ipoka gore jaanong ne go tlhophiwa bone jaaka bo Honourable Hikuama, ga ke Minister ka seat ya BCP, a bo a ya go otlhaiwa? Ke o a tshwanelwa go tshosiwa ke molao o. O tshwanetse eng o sa e dirise e le sekai se se bonolo thata, e bile se le go dumalana le one ka gore o tlaa bo a itse gore nako gaufi le wena ka o ne o bereka le ene? e a boelang kwa kgaolong fa e le gore o tsile kwano ka platform ya gore ba mo tlhophile ka gore ke Hikuama, MR SHAMUKUNI: Mr Speaker, ke nna ke tlhophang ba tlaa ya go mo tlhopha gape. Ga o a tshwanela go nna gore sekai se se gaufi le maikutlo a me ke sefe, jaanong le bothata, Honourable Hikuama. ke ganelela mo go se ke se buileng, ke sone se se gaufi le nna. Sa gore le ne la tswa mo BNF leipitsa MR TSHERE: On a point of clarification. Thank you megobagoba, ga tla Mopalamente a le mongwefela, Honourable Minister for yielding. Fa o ntse o tsweletse batlhophi ba kgaotse matoroko. Ke sone se ke neng ke o digela jaana, ka tebo ya gago ya matlho fela, fa molao se supa Mr Speaker. o o ka feta, re ka nna le ditlhopho di le kae in six months? How often are we going to have elections in order to Ke tsaya gore ya consultation Mr Speaker, eo e builwe replace people ba ba ka tswang ba dule? Thank you. thata. There has been a lot of consultation over the past years, e bile le malobanyana fela when the Minister MR SHAMUKUNI: Obviously Mr Speaker, I cannot tabled Bill e mo Palamenteng, ke tsaya gore once it was tell gore go ka nna le ditlhopho tse kae. Interest ya rona tabled, boikarabelo jwa rona re le Mapalamente e ne e mo molaong o ke gore fa o tsaya tshwetso ya gore o le gore jaanong re tseye Bill e re simolole to consult ka shift o ye kwa phathing epe, o ye kwa batlhophing, yone. I did kwa kgaolong ya me, ka gore ba ke neng either ba sanction tshwetso ya gago. Ke sone se molao ke letlelelwa ka COVID-19 protocols to consult them, o se buang. Decision ya gore o tlogele phathi e o mo go ke ne ke kgona to consult them jalo mo Dikgotleng tse yone o ye kwa go efe, molao gape jaaka re o akanya, o a ke neng ka ya kwa go tsone le leadership jaaka ke ne supa bagaetsho gore ga re kganele tshwetso eo ya gago ke e biditse. Bontsi jwa bone, tota all of them, ba ne ba o le Motlotlegi Mopalamente. That will be your right. supa gore Molao-kakanyetso o o siame thata, ka gore Se re eletsang to entrench ke gore re atolose lentswe la go ne go tlaa ba tlhabisa ditlhong ba ne ba ntlhophile ka batlhophi. lerato fela le le kalo, ke fa e le sekai, ke le moDomkrag Kgang e ya gore re sekegele maikutlo a batlhophi re ke tsile ka kwano, e bo kamoso ba utlwa gotwe ke kwa se ka ra e tsaya motlhofo. Re e tseye fela ka tlhoafalo phathing ya ga Rre Saleshando kana ya ga Rre Butale, ka gore decision ya go tswa mo phathing e o neng o ke sa rerisana le bone. The right thing to do, ke gore fa tlhophilwe mo go yone o ya mo go e sele, ke e tona gore ke tsere tshwetso ya gore ke ya kwa phathing e sele, ba ba go tlhophileng o ba lemotshe ka seo le bone ba a setilo se we ke ye go kopa mandate o mošha mo go ntshe maikutlo a bone. bone. Ke tsaya gore ke kgang fela e e tlhamaletseng, ga ke itse gore bagarona ka kwa Mr Speaker, e ba... Bagaetsho ba BCP ba ba kwa UDC Mr Speaker, ke tsaya gore ba kaya botoka. Ka ngwaga wa 1998, nako e ba neng MR MOATLHODI: On a point of clarification. Ke ba tswa mo BNF ba bo ba itira phathi ka Mapalamente a go leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa a le 11 ba tlhama BCP ba ipitsa mogobagoba, ba tswa Palamente. Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Mothusa Tona, e ka Makhanselara ba le 100, ba ne ba na le tumelo e e bile o le Mopalamente wa kgaolo e ke e ratang thata ya tletseng gore ke phathi e tona, ke mogobagoba but what bojanala ya Chobe. Kana ka segarona ka Setswana, re happened mo ditlhophong tse di neng di latela? Ga tla itse gore ditshwetso di tsewa ke morafe kwa Dikgotleng,

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e seng ke Dikgosi. Ka COVID ga e re letlelele go bitsa o bona batho ba ntse 22 years, e bo e re gompieno e setšhaba, tsone Dikgosi, Borara, Magosi le morafe how bo e le gone ba leng mo lepotlapotleng, Rre Morwaeng do you reconcile tshwetso ya Magosi ntle le morafe? le Goromente wa gagwe le ka tswa le lemogile gore tota gone ka kwa go lona ka koo, go Mapalamente a le MR SHAMUKUNI: Mr Speaker, nna the way ke mantsi a a sa itumelang. Ke belaela gore ba bantsinyana badileng tshwetso ya Magosi ka teng, ga e farologane ba ba sa itumelang, le lona le a lemoga e bile le a itse, e gope le tshwetso e e tserweng le morafe o ke neng ke bile le batla gore le ba lotlelele gore le fa ba sa itumela, o rerisa kwa kgaolong ya me. Go na le convergence ya ba nne gone ka kwa go lona. Gone fa ke lebile ka fa re le megopolo, mabapi le Bill as presented Mr Speaker. Ke Mapalamente re tshela mmogo, ba bangwe o a ba bona wetsa fela ke re, ke Bill fela e e siameng, e e tlhamaletseng gore difatlhegonyana tsa bone ga di monate, di thontse, e le nna ke tlaa eletsang gore bakaulengwe ka kwa le o a bona gore golo fa batho ba ga ba a itumela. bone ba e eme nokeng. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Honourable Motsamai Motsamai ga ke dumele fa a ka ganana le mogopolo o, a utlwile mafoko a moeteledipele MR LUCAS: Bangwe ba bone ba ba sa itumelang, ke wa gagwe wa bogologolo Dr Kenneth Koma, gore ba dikgaolo tse e keteng di latlheletswe thata. nnyaa, o ne a riana. Jaanong, ga a tshwanela go ganana le mafoko a ga Motlotlegi Dr Kenneth Koma. A mowa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… wa gagwe o robale ka kagiso kwa a robetseng teng. Ke MR LUCAS: O a ba bona tota gore ba bone ba, ga ke a leboga Mr Speaker. batle go le bua ka maina banna, e ka tloga ya le tsenya MR LUCAS (BOBONONG): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. mo mathateng. O a ba bona gore ba, ga ba a itumela, Gongwe le nna ke eme jaana, ke ntshe maikutlo a me mme jaanong ka gore Domkrag e lemogile gore bontsi ka Molao-kakanyetso o. Go supafala gore ka pego ya ga bo a itumela ka kwa, ke gore e ba lotlelele mo go ga Rre Morwaeng, go ne ga nna le Motion o o neng yone gore ba se ka ba bo ba ya gope. o tla ka Mme Mma Kokorwe ka 1998. Fa ke bua ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Mme Mma Kokorwe, ke mo amanya le Rre Morwaeng, go na le history e ntle thata mo gare ga bone, e o ka e HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tlhaloso. tlhaloganyang sentle. Ka 1998 fa mogopolo o o sena go MR LUCAS: Ba teng ke ka bala dikgaolo di ka tshwara amogelwa, re bona re tsaya dingwaga di le 22, gore o five, six tsa Mapalamente a ke a bonang gore nnyaa, diragadiwe. Go raya gore go na le sengwe se re ka se waitse go thata tota. balang fa, e ka nna gore tsamaiso fela ya Domkrag, e bonya mo go gakgamatsang, fa e le gore Motion o ka Yo mongwe wa bone ke utlwa lentswe la gagwe ka kwa fetisiwa ka 1998, and be implemented ka 2020. Go supa a ntse a re, “di bale,” gakere o leka go ithatisa batho gore bokopanyana gone fale. ba tle ba tseye fela gore nnyaa ene o sharp. No! Ke a le itse re tshela mmogo. Fa o bona batho ba tsere lebaka le le kana ba itshetse moriti o tsididi, e bo e re gompieno o bo o bona HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… lepotlapotla le, go supa gore chengwenyana chiapo. Go MR LUCAS: Go a supafala gape gore fa o bona batho ba raya gore go na le sengwe se ba se boneng, se ba sa tla ka lepotlapotla ka Motion o tshwana le one o, go raya se tlhaloseng sentle, se jaanong re tlaa supang gore re gore ga ba na maikaelelo a go diragatsa ditsholofetso tse belaela gore e ka nna eng. Gone motho o ka belaela fela ba di solofeditseng Batswana. thata gore, tota go ka tswa go supa gore Domkrag e e ya gompieno e ga e a tsoga, e a ipelaela, e a inyatsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible) … thata. Goromente yo ga a itshetlela, o tlhaela confidence ka Sekgoa. O belaela gore golo gongwe, sengwe se ka MR LUCAS: Ee! Ba ka tswa ba na le mokgwanyana yo diragala se se botlhabetsi. Jaanong, molao o ke a bona e leng gore ba o fitlhile wa goreno, golo fa ga re ka ke ra ke wa go leka go itshireletsa fela ka kwa, gore seo fa se kgona go diragatsa ditsholofetso tse re di solofeditseng diragala, batho ba bo ba lotleletswe mo Domkrag gore Batswana. Jaanong gone moo, go tlaa tena batho, go tlaa ba se ka ba bo ba itshikinya. tena le Mapalamente a mangwe a sa tenegang gompieno.

Gape go a supafala e bile go a belaetsa thata gore, fa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

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MR LUCAS: Ee mma. Ke gore le gone o kare o a … kitla e di kgona. Ka jalo, e tshwanetse e lotlelele ba ba lelang thata mo go yone gore ba se ka ba ya gope. Go MS MONNAKGOTLA: Clarification. Ke a leboga a belaetsa tota ka gore after 22 years, e bo e le gore ka motlotlegi wa kwa Bobonong. Re a go utlwa motlotlegi sepitipiti ke lepotlapotla le le kanakana. Nnyaa, go na le fa o re bangwe ga ba a itumela. E bile o bua gore phathi mathatanyana mangwe a re tshwanetseng re a lemoge. ga e dire dilo sentle. Manifesto wa re, o batla gore phathi e, e bo e le ya morero. Jaanong re batla gore le rerise Gape on the eve of a Constitutional Review e e batlhophi. A ga o bone go tlhokafala gore batlhophi ba solofeditsweng, go na le lepotlapotla le. Selo se se re lona ba tshwanetse ba rerisiwe fa o tswa mo phathing e ruta sengwe. Constitutional Review re ntse re e bua nngwe o ya kwa go e nngwe? Ke a leboga. thata re re e tlaa tla. Rre Morwaeng gompieno a re mo ngwageng yo o tlang fa o simolola. Go raya gore MR LUCAS: Nnyaa mme ke a leboga. Wena kana I Constitutional Review gongwe ga e yo batho betsho. yielded ka re mo komiting ele ya Mapalamente. Dilo tse re di ele tlhoko. Fa e le gore e teng, ke eng HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further clarification. re sa tseye kgang e, ra e kopanya le tse dingwe tse di tshwanang le to strengthen Palamente? E nna dikgang MR LUCAS: Mma ke fete ka yone e motho wetsho. tse re di tsayang nako e le nngwefela. Le tlaa re belaetsa Honourable Morwaeng gore golo fa go tshwanetse go HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible)… na le sengwe se le se fitlhang. Fa e le gore e teng, ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga go re sepe. belaela gore le ikaelela go tla ka dikgang tse e leng gore Batswana ga ba di batle, e bile di ka kgopisa mangwe MR LUCAS: Ee, ke a go utlwa Mma Monnakgotla. Mapalamente. Wena ke itse gore ga o a itumelela sengwe. Gongwe o ntse o rata Domkrag mme go na le sengwe se o sa HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)… se itumelelang sa the settlements. O na le go bua gore MR LUCAS: Gone ka koo. Ke a belaela thata ka gore settlements ga di tsewe sentle gotlhelele, golo moo ga fa e ne e le gore Constitutional Review e e tla, re ka bo go go itumedise. Fa o itumetse o ka tlhalosa. Re ka re itse gore dikgang tse, re tlaa di tsaya tsotlhe nako e tswelela pele re re go supafala gore tota go tshwanetse le nngwefela go balelwa le tsa tribal equality le ya go go na le maikaelelo mangwe a go tlhoka to deliver baakanya ditlhopho tsa rona. Re ne re ka di tsaya nako e mo ditsholofetsong. Ke ka gakgamala fa e le gore le nngwefela. Jaanong go sianetswe e, go supa gore go Goromente wa ga His Excellency Masisi would deliver na le sengwenyana, chingwenyana chiyapo. mo tsholofetsong tse a di beileng Batswana pele. O a itse gore he would not deliver, ka jalo, o tshwanetse a MR BOKO: Clarification. Good afternoon Mr Speaker. lotlelele Mapalamente. O a itse gore ga a ka ke a kgona Thank you Honourable Member. Honourable Member, go abela Batswana lefatshe. Golo moo go ka kgopisa ke batla go tsaya from the question ya ga Honourable Mapalamente a mangwe a a tlhwaafetseng, legale fa o Monnakgotla kwa morago ya gore re tshwanetse re ye sa tlhwaafala ga o ka ke wa kgopisega gakere. kwa go ba ba go tlisitseng pele mo Palamenteng go utlwa gore ba reng pele fa o ka tsaya tshwetso ya to HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… cross. O tlhalose jaana by taking a cue, from what she MR LUCAS: Go ka kgopisa Mapalamente mangwe a is saying gore a mme re le lefatshe, have we taken a step a tlhwaafatseng gore re solofeditse batho gore re tlaa ba to go and consult Batswana ka kgang ya to amend the abela lefatshe, jaanong ga re ba abele. Ba bo ba akanya Constitution? I am saying this from the angle ya gore gore ba fuduge. Maikaelelo ke gore ba tswalelwe some of us have learned Constitutional law from school, mo teng gore le fa ba bona gore batho ga ba abelwe we appreciate and understand it much better. The lefatshe, ditsela at the settlements ga di goroge, ba bo Constitution ga o e fetole fela o kare o fetola borotho. ba lotleletswe mo teng ga Domkrag. Ke raya gore fa o You have to go thorough consultation. O ye go utlwa bona batho ba le lepotlapotla le le kana, go supa gore Batswana because it is not made for the purpose ya dingwenyana di teng. Go supafala gore ba bangwe ba the 57 Members of Parliament including the Specially ntse ba lela thata ka dipatela kwa Tsabong. Ba lela tota Elected MPs. Batswana must have a say because this ke utlwa gore ba a lela. Ba bangwe ba Ghanzi ba na le is a document that speaks to them now and speaks to dilelo tse di rileng mme go lebega e kete Domkrag ga e the generation ya the unborn. O tlhalose e ya gore a thorough consultation has it been done by us? Motho

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yo o neng a re go nnile le consultation, ke itse gore ga e le go dira window shopping mo Game a sa kgone go a bue boammaaruri, ke Honourable Healy yo o reng nna fa ka gore ga a itumela. A sa kgone go buelela batho batho ba ba kwa Takatokwane ba 95. Ke ipotsa gore o ka gore o mo phathing e a sa e itumeleleng. Golo moo ne a dirile ka tsela e e ntseng jang. We know it is not ga go a siama. Ba bangwe tiro ya bone e tlaabo e le go true. Batswana have not been consulted. Why are we fakatšha fela moo gakere ga ba a itumela. Ke batla gore rushing this? Ke ne ke batla gore o tsene mo go yone. ke tsene mo kgannyeng e ke reng … Thank you. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. MR LUCAS: Nnyaa mme Honourable Boko o e tshwere sentle thata ka gore se re se utlwang fela ke MR LUCAS: Mma Monnakgotla, nnyaa, ke go neetse gore Batswana had been consulted ka 1998; 22 years tlhe mothowetsho, mma ke tswelele pele, kana e bile fa ago. Gatwe Batswana go ne ga buiwa le bone nako eo. ke go neela, Fidelis le ba bangwe, le Mmusi, ba tlaabo Kgang eo e ne ya kwalwa mo pampitshaneng ya ga Rre ba ntse ba re, “ee, mo jele nako, mo jele nako,” ga re ka Morwaeng ya pego gore Mma Kokorwe o ne a ntsha ke ra bereka jalo. A re tseneng mo kgannyeng e nngwe Motion, ga tsamaiwa le lefatshe la Botswana 22 years ke e, e re tshwanetseng go e ela tlhoko. I want to warn ago ka 1998. Ke sone se e neng e re ke simolola ke re, fa you, le wena Morwaeng gompieno… e le gore go tsaya 22 years to implement Motion, go raya HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… gore bokopanyana bo teng. Mo bogompienong ga go ise go diriwe consultation. Le ene Mopalamente wa Chobe MR LUCAS: Nnyaa, mma ke go time, e bile ke wena o o a utlwa gore owaii! Ke go tshwara kwa le kwa fela, go tlang ka molao o o bosula o. itshwarelelwa ka metsi, ga go na sepe sa consultation. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Elucidation. MR LUCAS: Ee! Mma ke fete ka temana ke e. MR LUCAS: Mma ke tsweleleng pele bakaulengwe Gompieno jaana re tshwenyega thata ka gore go na le ka e golafetse. Go raya eng gone fa? Le itse gore dilo tse le sa di lemogeng, fa o fetisa molao o o ntseng chingwenyana chiyapo. Batho ba ngadile, ga ba a jaana, o o patikang batho gore ba bo ba le mo phathing itumela, le bo le re le ba lotlelela mo phathing? Go raya e ba sa e batleng, kana le a itse gore fa gongwe gatwe eng gone moo? Le tlaabo le na le Mapalamente ka koo nnyaa kana mme o tlhophilwe ka party, mme kana o le re ke a lona mme tota boammaaruri ke gore ba se mo kgona go tlhophiwa ka party, e re o ntse o tsweletse, go lona ka pelo le mowa. e bo e nna le molafo, e bo e peka. Jaanong fa e tsenwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible) … ke molafo, gatwe o nne fela mo teng, o tsigalale fela o re nnyaa mme e siame fela. Golo mo le go ele tlhoko MR LUCAS: …(Laughter!)… Yo mongwe yo o kodu batho betsho, go ka re tshwenya fela thata gore motho yo o kafa, ke a itse gore ke mang. Le ene ga a itumela, a bo a tlhophilwe ka party, mme jaanong e latlhegetswe ga a na le lona ka pelo le mowa. Jaanong go nna le batho ke tsela gotlhelele, e dule mo tseleng, ga e reetse batho. ba e leng gore ga ba na le lona ka pelo le mowa, go raya Go bo gotwe nnyaa mme o tlaa bolela gone fa. At least dilo tse dintsi. Go ka le tshwenya lona mme fa go le four years o tlaabo o le gone fa. Ke dikgang tse re tshwenya, ga go na molato. Mathata a matona ke gore tshwanetseng go di ela tlhoko. Gape le tshwanetse go go nna le Mopalamente yo o sa itumelelang phathi e ela tlhoko, fa gongwe party, ee, e ka nna le mathata. a leng mo go yone for four years, ga ke bone gore o Kana fa gongwe ene moeteledipele; o kile wa bona gore ka kgona tiro e ya Palamente. E bokete thata, e batla go bosula jang moeteledipele wa party fa gongwe a go yo e kete o mafolofolonyana, e seng yo o kotlometseng iphetlhela? Fa gongwe a go tlhowa fela, a go ngalela mowa ka gore ga a itumelela go nna gone ka koo. Ga kana a go nyatsa. Fa gongwe a simolola a tlelwa ke go ka ke ga siama motho a le ka koo. Ke sone se e leng mokgwa wa bogateledi, wa seroophata, a le kgerisa. O gore bangwenyana ba ba ratang the tenders thata, fa ba tlile go le kgerisa moeteledipele fa a na le powers tse ke sa itumela o tlile go utlwa gotwe o kwa Mabutsane le bonang le di mo neela. Sorilatholo ka gore ga a itumela. Ga a itumelele go nna mo Palamenteng, ka jalo, o tshwanetse a nne a tlhotlhoma So, elang tlhoko dilo tse gore fa gongwe go nna mo mo ka the envelopes tse di tshetlha tsa the tenders. Ba phathing o na le moeteledipele yo o tshwenyang, go ba iseng ba dire the tenders, tiro ya bone e tona e tlaabo botoka le ntshitse motho wa teng a itsamaele fa a sa

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itumelele moeteledipele yoo. Ba bangwe re a itse gore kwa Constitutional review. A re emeleng Constitutional bolope ke ngwao ya lona, mme ba bangwe ga ba a nna review, kgang e e nne nngwe ya tse re ka di buisanyang jalo gone ka koo, ba itshiametse fela, ga ba rate bolope. mo Constitutional review. Ke a leboga batho betsho. Ka jalo, ga ba ka ke ba batla go nna mo phathing e moeteledipele wa bone a tlaabong a ba kgerisa. MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Ke a MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke ema GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION fa go ema nokeng Molao-kakanyetso o o tlileng ka (MR MORWAENG): Point of order. Mr Speaker, is it mokaulengwe Honourable Morwaeng. Ke nngwe ya Parliamentary gore mokaulengwe a re ka kwano go na dilo tse e rileng fa re ya kwa Batswaneng go ipapatsa, ra le ngwao ya bolope? di bua gore re ya go di dira ka ponyo ya leitlho. Gongwe ba ba nang le pelaelo, re ka ba gakolola. Re ne ra bua MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, ka molao o, declaration of assets le ka e mengwe, e I think that thing has been debated here, it has been le yone e rileng re tla ka yone mo Palamenteng e, ba heard, so Honourable Morwaeng, you have heard about ema ba e gana. Go supafala gore ke sone se Batswana it, it is not a new thing. ba ba ganneng ka gore Batswana ba ya le consensus e e tsamaisanyang le ditsholofetso. So rona ka kwano MR LUCAS: Ke a leboga Rre Morwaeng. Lefoko le la Honourable Lucas, re na le agenda e e tlhamaletseng, bolope ga le a tshwanela go tshwenya ope waitse! Ka fa e e dumetsweng ke Batswana, that is why re le Puso e e le setseng le tsene mo fashion ka teng, le tsenngwa le ke busang. Ke ntlha ya ntlha e o tshwanetseng go e itse eo. ene moeteledipele wa lefatshe, o raya gore Morwaeng o tshwanetse gore a tshwenyege? Selo sa bobedi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke batla gore Batswana ba lemoge gore fa re le mo Batho betsho, ga ke amogele Molao-kakanyetso o, ka re Ntlong e re re re dira tiro e ba re e romileng, go na le ba a o tsene mo dikgannyeng tse dingwe tsa Constitutional ba ganetsang. Ke gore fa re re re dira selo ka bofefo, ‘le review. A o se ka wa tsewa o le nosi fela. A o kopanngwe itlhaganeletseng, re a belaela.’ Fa re iketla, ‘le iketlile le dikgang tse dingwe, re ye go di buisanya jaaka thata, re a le belaela.’ Ke gore jaanong ga re sa tlhole Honourable Boko a ne a bua, re tseye kgang e re ye go e re itse gore tota fela ba re ba batla eng. Mma ke fe neela batho, le bone ba tle ba tswe lentswe gompieno, e sekai, e ne ya re maloba fale, re le mo budget session, seng re re, nnyaa re sale re buile le batho 22 years ago. Honourable Mmolotsi a ema, I was presenting budget ya A re yeng go e neela batho, ba e sugasuge, ba e bone Ministry for Presidential Affairs, a bua gore tsamaiso ya ka fa ba e bonang ka teng gompieno, ba e bue, gongwe ditlhopho ga se yone, ga se mo go siameng gore e re go ba ka dumalana le yone kgotsa ba se ka ba dumalana le sena go tlhophiwa, go bo go letwa malatsi a mantsintsi, yone. Ke eng le itlhaganetse mo go kanakana? mafatshe a mangwe jaaka bo Namibia a re gaisitse, a HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. setse a na le Electronic Voting Machines (EVMs).

MR LUCAS: Le a re belaetsa gore le tshwanetse le na Ka boammaaruri ka re le Puso e e reetsang, ra simolola le maikaelelo a a bosula. ra bereka mo molaong wa EVM re na le bone; bo Honourable Keorapetse, Honourable Ndaba Gaolathe Ka jalo, ke sone se ke reng Molao-kakanyetso o ga le Honourable Ngaka Ngaka. Jaanong fa re setse re o ke o amogele, mme e bile ke dumela gore e tlaa nna tlisa mo Palamenteng, ba bo ba itaya semenogane. nngwe ya dikgang tse re tlaa yang go di bua fa re setse HONOURABLE MEMBER: Change ga se ya madi re bua ka Constitutional review fa e le gore e tlaa tla fela. jaaka Rre Morwaeng a re e tlaa tla. Ga re sa tlhole re tshepha jaanong ka gore fa e le gore e ne e tlaa tla in MR MOLALE: …(Laughter!)…O a mo utlwa three months, why the rush now ya gore nnyaa mme a re Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, e bile o a tsenyeng o ka pela? ikgatlha a re change ga se ya madi fela. Ba bo ba itaya semenogane. Gompieno re bua ka molao o o fa o. Batho betsho, ke ne ke re le nna ke tswe la me, ke supe Mma ke fetse ka ya EVM. E rile fa ba sena go itaya jalo gore Molao-kakanyetso o, nnyaa, ga o a lebana, o semenogane, ba simolola ba tlhodia gore ba ya go tlile ka nako e e seng yone. O tla ka nako e re yang tsiediwa ka EVM, Batswana ba boa ba raya Puso ya

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ga Tautona Masisi ba re, emisang molao o wa EVM re MR LUCAS: On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Ke ne tle re ye go ja batho ba fia-fia. Ya lela shamboko, ya ke re Sekgoa se a se buang se ga ke se tshware sentle, betsa, ke ba. Jaanong gompieno re fa, re bua ka Motion mme ke ne ke re a ntshe lefoko la boparo ka gore ga ke o o builweng ka 1998, jaanong gatwe re bonya gape. a lekana le go bapanngwa le lefoko la boparo. Ke tsaya Ka EVM go ne gotwe re itlhaganetse thata, go na le gore o ntlhapaditse thata fa a bua a mpapisa le lefoko la sengwe. Gompieno re bonya, go na le sengwe. Uhu! Ka boparo. Ke kopa gore a le boele kwa morago. Sengwaketse gatwe “ntseehe,” ntseehe gatwe ke eng? Le mo go afe he banna? Jaanong re fa re bua ka molao o. MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Molale, I Jaaka Honourable Molao le Honourable Lelatisitswe ba am sure o Motswana, o a tlhaloganya fa o bua le bagolo ne ba bua, le Honourable Shamukuni, fa Mma Kokorwe gore mafoko a mangwe ga a ka ke a nna one. Do the a sena go baya Palamente molao o, gone ga nna le needful. Law Reform Committee, e e neng ya tswa ya e ya go MR MOLALE: Ke boela lefoko le la boparo kwa bua le batho, mme mo teng go na le ba kganetso jaaka morago. Mr Speaker, ke fetele kwa ntlheng e nngwe ka Honourable Sidwell Gabatshwane, may his soul rest in gore nako e tsamaile. Mongwe o letse a buile fa a re peace. Le ba bangwe jaaka bo Honourable Kalake le go boelela ditlhopho go turu, ka gore re a bo re batla go Honourable Mamela. Jaanong gompieno ba ba tlang fa tsietsa. Motho kana batho ba ba neng ba bua bao, go bua morago ga bone ka kwa kganetsong, ga ba dumalane le bone ba itebile ba re ba a turelwa when campaigning, ba kgang e. Ke gore o kare ba kgwa their former leaders lebala gore ba ba ba setseng morago le bone fa ba tla go mathe. Re a bona fela gore la re ba ne ba sa bue sepe, tlhola ba fodile motshegare otlhe, ba tsaya leoto go tswa mme jaaka Honourable Shamukuni a ntse a quote se se kwa masimong le merakeng ba tla go tlhopha, le bone neng se buiwa ke Dr Kenneth Koma, may his soul rest ba a turelwa. Jaanong e re batho ba sena go turelwa jalo, in peace as well, go supa gore baeteledipele ba rona ba o bo o batla go ba phuaganya fela o tsamaya; molao o Domkrag le ba kganetso ba ne ba le seopo sengwe mo kana o kganela sone se. We are safeguarding the interest mogopolong. of the voter not the voted.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MOLALE: No! Ba ne ba le seopo sengwe. Jaanong MR MOLALE: Ga ke dumalane le kakanyo e e fa re dira jalo, re tsaya fa our predecessors ba tlogetseng tshwanang le eo ka gore go tura fa is relative mme, ka teng, ba bangwe jaanong re itira semenogane. Legale re kgang e tona e re tshwanetseng go e leba ke gore go ka o buile a re chenchi ga se ya madi fela, go supa turelwa moo, re tshwanetse ra leba batlhophi e seng boitimokanye; spineless. O motho yo o senang principle; batlhophiwa…(Interruptions)…Ke Morolong rraetsho, fela fa a bua jalo go raya gore ga gona principle. Ke ga ke itse -tšhw- whatever that it is. boparo fela jaaka re ntse re kaediwa ke Honourable Lucas. Ke kopa gore lona ba opposition… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)…

MR LUCAS: On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Ke a MR MOLALE: Ntlha ya bofelo Motsamaisa leboga Mr Speaker. Ke lemoga fa Honourable Molale Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, kgang ya gore fa go dirwa a bapisitse leina la me le lefoko le gotweng boparo. Fa jaana ke gore jaanong go neela phathi total control ya e le gore o raya nna, a le boele kwa morago ka gore ga gore e gatelele batho, ke go tlhoka go itse gore puso ke a lekana go bidiwa jalo. Gape o bo o mo kgaleme mo ya batho ka batho e tsamaisiwa jang. Ke go sa lemoga godimo ga moo. Tanki. gore fa Puso e tla mo setilong, e tla ka tsela e e ntseng MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale, gakere o mo jang. Ga go na phathi e e ka reng e na le maloko a yone reeditse mogolo gore a reng? a bo e gatelela fela, e nna e re dirang se le se. Sengwe le sengwe se dirwa ka consensus, mme re bone mo MR MOLALE: Ke mo reeditse Mr Speaker. Lefoko mafelong a mangwe kana mo diphathing tse dingwe go la go parola, it is just aimless talk, so what I am saying, sena consensus. Rona kwa Domkrag ga re ise re tikane go botoka ke e bua ka Sekgoa. Honourable Lucas was ka ditilo kwa Palapye. Ga re ise re neele ba bangwe just talking aimlessly, go sena sepe se se nang le ntlha dintša jaaka re bone kwa Bobonong. Molafo o o ntseng se a se buang. o buiwa ke Honourable Lucas o o itse gone fa. Ke sone se re buang ka dilo tse di tlhomameng tsa tsamaiso Puso,

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tsa tsamaiso e e lolameng ya molao. Jaanong ga re ka ke bangwe ba se ka ba dumalana le yone. Bogolo jang ba ra ema fa ra reetsa batho ba e leng gore are just talking ba tlileng mo Ntlong e e le baganetsi, jaanong leina le la aimlessly, ba sa reetse gore mabaka a gore molao o o boganetsi, le ba tshwanela go gaisa gompieno, ka gore fetolwe ke eng. Re rile we are safeguarding the interests ba ganetsa sengwe le sengwe fela. tsa batlhophi. Ope a se ka a phamola sepatšhe sa batlhophi a sia ka sone. Se sengwe se ke se ratileng ka kgang e le fa e le digobo jaana, le ngwanake yo o tsetsweng ka ngwaga o, e rile HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ke mo raya ke re re ya bua kgang ya gore e se ka ya re motho a tlhophilwe ka phathi, ya re a e belomegela a re MR MOLALE: Ga re batle jalo. Jaanong ke ema fa o a e tlogela, a tsamaya ka setilo se e se mo neetseng, Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente… le ene o a dumalana. Fa Batlotlegi bo Lucas ba belaela HONOURABLE MEMBER: E tšhaile. gore sengwe se a dirwa, ba belaela fela ka gore ba ba neng ba ba eteletse pele ba le ka kwa letlhakoreng lele, MR MOLALE: Bona Honourable Hikuama, kana lona ba ba neng ba sa ipitse baganetsi, ba ipitsa bagakolodi, ga le itse to caucus; go itirelwa fela. Mongwe le mongwe ka bontsi jwa bone ba ile kwa go Rara, ba pitikologa mo o dira se a se batlang ka koo. Ka kwano we caucus, mme mabitleng, gore ba tlogetse Ntlo e mo seemong se se fa re dumalane selo, ga se tlaopiwe, ke tsamaiso. Ke ntseng jang. Le sego ka gore Puso e ke ya morero, mme ema fa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke ema nako le nako fa o dirwa o tlisiwa mo Ntlong e. Morero Honourable Morwaeng nokeng ka Tshutiso ya Molao- o tsweletse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, kakanyetso o. Ke a leboga. mme mo bogompienong re tlile mo Ntlong e fela go tla go konetelela se re se solofeditseng Batswana gore MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS re tlaa se dira. Fa o tlhophiwa, o a bo o file Batswana AND COOPERATION (DR KWAPE): Ke a leboga ditsholofetso, jaanong ba re ka kwano re tlhomamisa, Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Le nna ke ema re bo re diragatsa ditsholofetso tse Batswana ba neng ba fa go ema Tshutiso e nokeng. bogolobogolo ka gore re di neetse. molao o o digobo, jaanong fa selo se le digobo, le kgomo e e digobo, e fisiwa pele ka gore ke ne ke utlwa Kwa bofelong ke batla gore, jaaka ke buile maloba, fa Honourable Lucas a re re itlhaganeletse eng ka gore re go sekasekwa Molaomotheo ke rile, ga o tlakatlakelwe mo tsamaisong ya go lebelela Molaomotheo. O o digobo, fela. O jewa jaaka bogobe jo bo molelo, o a atladiwa, jaanong e e digobo e fisiwa pele Honourable Lucas. e bo e re kwa o fodileng teng o simolole go jewa koo. Gape molao o o netefatsa gore Palamente e ga se koi, Molao o jaaka re o lebeletse, ke o o atladitsweng, o o ga e tlolwe mathandisa. Jaanong fa e le gore o themba- fodileng, jaanong ke gore o gelolwe, o jewe, jaaka sebete, o bona gore go na le molafo ka fa letlhakoreng le Batswana ba dumalana le gore motho e se ka ya re fa a lengwe, themba-sebete o ye kwa batlhophing, o ye go ba batla go tlola koi a tla go e tlolela mo Ntlong e, a ye go bolelela gore go molafo ka kwa, jaanong ke batla gore e tlolela kwa mananeng. le nneele boikarabelo jo bosha gore ke ye go le emela sentle. Fa e le gore ke boammaaruri ga o a emela phathi, DR GOBOTSWANG: Clarification. Ke a leboga themba-sebete o boele kwa batlhophing. Mr Speaker, ke a leboga motlotlegi. Jaaka mmatlisisi wa tlhwatlhwa yo ke mo itseng, e bile re tswa mo Kgang e Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, e dithutong tse di ratileng go tshwana, a wa re mabaka a toutilwe, mme e sa le e toutiwa ka dingwaga tse di a kgobokantsweng dingwaga tse di masome mabedi le boletsweng tsa bo 1998. E toutilwe mo Ntlong e, bobedi tse di fetileng, a ka dirisiwa gompieno jaaka o ya buiwa ya dumalanwa. E toutilwe kwa magaeng a kare a kgobokantswe maabane? rona, mme go dumalanwe. E toutilwe le mo mebileng. Batswana jaaka re bua jaana mo Palamenteng, ba DR KWAPE: Nna le wena fa re dira dipatlisiso… ke tla re reeditse gore a kgang e e sa bolong go toutiwa, le leka gore ke tlhalose ka Sekgoa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo gompieno go santse go na le bangwe ba ba gananang tsa Palamente ka gore re tsena kwa maranyaneng. Go le yone. Le ba maranyane fela fa o a tshuba gompieno na le golo go bidiwa gotwe literature review kana jaana, ba romela melaetsa kgapetsakgapetsa ba re eo background, ke tsaya gore o tla dumalana le nna gore yone re le Batswana ke e re dumalanang le yone. ga go na pampiri epe ya maranyane e e kwalwang selo seo se seyo. Jaanong go ne go tsewa podi motlhala fela Ga go molato mo pusong ya batho ka batho gore batho gore o bolelelwe gore dilo tse di simologile fa kae, mme

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kwa bofelelong fa o kwala pampiri, o kwala ditshwetso, MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND mme pele ga o di kwala, o buisanya le tsone, jaanong re HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR KGAFELA): buisanya le ditshwetso gore re bo re di dira. O dirisitse Elucidation. Motlotlegi Dr Kwape, potso ke ele e tswa tshwantshiso e ntle rra, ka gore ga o ake re babatlisisi le ka kwa go Rre Boko, a ko o mmadise ditsetlana tsa fa re farologana fale le fale, ka gore ke batlisisa tse di Molaomotheo gore a lebelele Section 89 (3) (a) to (b). thata go gaisa tse o di batlisisang… Ditsetlana tse di tlhalosa gore go na le dintlha dingwe tsa Molaomotheo tse di batlang patlo-maikutlo ya setšhaba, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… tse di ka fa tlase ga Section 89 (3) (b). Tse di ka fa tlase DR KWAPE: Boammaaruri jwa mafoko ke gore go ga Section 89 (3) (a), di kgona gore di sekasekwe ke ntse fela jalo. Palamente fela e le nosi, at least e bo e le gore two- thirds ya Mapalamente are in favour of or against them. MR LUCAS: Clarification. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, Ke ne ke re o mo arabe gore ditsetlana tseo di teng sir. ke a leboga Rre Kwape. Fa o bua ka kgang ya literature E re e buang e ya gompieno does not fall under Section review, o tshwanetse wa e dira, mme gape o bo o ya go 89 (3) (b), mo go rayang gore ga e batle patlo-maikutlo dira dipatlisiso tse di tsamaelanang le nako eo, e bo e le a setšhaba. gone o ka gorogang kwa ditshwetsong. Jaanong wena o kare ditshwetso tse o goroga kwa go tsone on the basis DR KWAPE: Ke ithutetse maranyane, Rre Kgafela o of the literature review only. Ke bona e kete ga go a ithutetse molao, mme ke lebogela kakgelo ya gago e e tlhamalala, ga go a siama. arabang yo o ithutetseng molao…

DR KWAPE: Fa o fetsa literature review o tsena mo go HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga e arabe, clarification. tsone dipatlisiso tota. Jaanong Marara e bong Dikgosi, DR KWAPE: Jaanong ka nako e re ipeetseng e ile molao o o isitswe kwa go bone, ba o atlile. Batswana ka kwa bokhutlong, ke batla go digela ka gore Motsamaisa kakaretso ba o atlile. Se se molemo ke gore, se Batswana Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke konetelela ka go ema ba se atlileng jaaka go le tshwanela le le baganetsi, le a Tshutiso e nokeng ka e siametse Batswana. Ke a leboga. se ganetsa le bone ba a iponela. MR BOKO (MAHALAPYE EAST): Mr Speaker, MR BOKO: Clarification. Thank you Honourable I stand here this afternoon ke kopa ka boikokobetso Minister. Ke a go utlwa sentle fa o re Marara ba dumalana Mapalamente ba ba ka kwa, segolo jang ba banana gore le kgang ya the amendment of the Constitution ka tsela ba se ka ba ema Tshutiso e e beilweng Ntlo e pele ke e e ntseng jalo. O ka tswa o bua boammaaruri ka gore Honourable Morwaeng. they have been consulted, which is the right thing to do. You would recall very well gore ka bo 1965, bo 1966 fa HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… go tlaa tla Constitution e e leng gore it is in place now, Dikgosi e ne e le bangwe ba e leng gore were consulted MR BOKO: Ke tlaa tlhalosa gore ka goreng fa ke ntse and other elites, Batswana ka bontsi were not consulted. ke tsweletse. Mr Speaker, nna le wena re a tlhaloganya A wa re is it a good thing gore only the elites e nne bone gore golo fa we are dealing with a very sacred document, ba e leng gore have a role to play on the amendment the Constitution e e leng gore melao yotlhe e e dirwang of the Constitution? Secondly, are you of the view that mo lefatsheng e tsaya the legitimacy go tswa mo go just a mere 57 Members of Parliament, some of them yone. Constitution is not a document like any other Act who do not even understand what they are doing can of Parliament e Mapalamente ba ka tlolaganyang kana only be the ones responsible for the amendment of the ba tshameka ka yone, kana ba e suputsa ka fa ba batlang Constitution without consulting the entire populace? go e suputsa ka teng. It is a very sacred document and Those are the two questions, thank you. that is how it should be treated.

DR KWAPE: Rre Gobotswang o ne a bua gore nna It is a document that when you want to amend or do le ene re babatlisisi. Jaanong fa ke ne ke ka bua ka one or two things on it, you are not supposed to do that dipatlisiso, ditsela tsa go dira dipatlisiso di farologane, in a rush, you have to take time and be sober when you go na le mo gotweng mixed methods, quantitative le do that. That is the understanding of how a Constitution qualitative, mme tsotlhe ke dipatlisiso. Kwa bofelelong should be treated, but what we see from the other side go tsewa ditshwetso ka tsone. Jaanong go go araba, of the aisle is a rushed effort to amend the Constitution. dipatlisiso di dirilwe…

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Earlier on, ke buile ka kgang ya consultation. I hear mmatleng? O raya gore ngwao e re tshwanetse re Honourable Kgafela a bua ka certain provisions and I tsamaise lefatshe la rona ka yone ka gore gompieno will tell you why he does not seem to fully appreciate situation e eme jaana? A ke se se siametseng lefatshe the import ya the said provisions. I will explain later on. la puso ya batho ka batho le Molaomotheo ka o bua ka Mr Speaker, the amendment of the Constitution in this gore ke selo se se masisi, se se tshwanetseng sa ilelwa? context, our belief is that it has to get the legitimacy from the populace; constituents, people who have put MR BOKO: Thank you Honourable Member. Like I us in Parliament. It should not just be a preserve of 57 stated earlier on, a document of this nature should not Members of Parliament and Specially Elected Members just serve the interests of a select few, it should serve the of Parliament. That is not how it should be. interest of the nation. Not a situation whereby we wake up in the morning and you realise that soon power will You will recall Mr Speaker gore when the current be gone, then you come up with mechanisms of ensuring Constitution came into effect from what we read, it was that you stay in power forever. That cannot be tolerated. just a few people who were involved in its drafting and That is why I am pleading with you that let us desist in its coming into effect. You will recall gore we had bo and not agree with the devilish Motion that has been put Honourable Matante ba e leng gore they had to walk out before this Parliament by Honourable Morwaeng. Mr because they were of the view that a proper consultation Speaker, you will agree with me that instead of focusing has not been done. That is what we are craving for. That on development, the Botswana Democratic Party is is my message in relation to the Motion that had been focusing on how to perpetually remain in power. That put forward by Honourable Morwaeng to say except is what they want. You know this party is such a curse ba kwa Takatokwane; yesterday ke bone on television to this country. They have realised that soon there will... gotwe 95 per cent ya bone ba re e baakanngwe. That might be true, but I doubt. At times you just wake up in HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... the morning and say 95 o sa itse gore o gorogile mo go MR BOKO: Ga ke ka ke ka ikotlhaya. Mr Speaker, ene ka tsela e e ntseng jang. what they have realised is that they do not enjoy much A proper consultation Mr Speaker, has not been done. of support as it has been in the past... That is what we are craving for. We cannot hold onto the HONOURABLE MEMBER: Even from their fact ya gore gatwe 22 years back there was something Members of Parliament. which was done and Batswana ba ne ba re. We should consider the current situation gore Batswana ba reng ka MR BOKO: Even from other Members of Parliament. I kgang ya Constitutional... do not want to name some Members of Parliament who have told me that they want to jump ship and they know MR HIKUAMA: Point of clarification. Thank you Mr that some Members of Parliament want to jump ship. Speaker. Ke a leboga Honourable Member. A go ya ka That is why they came up with such a devilish Motion wena o bona e le ngwao e e siameng gore e re re le to this Parliament. lefatshe re batla go tlisa stability, e bo e le gore fa re na HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of clarification. le dikgang tse di sa re tsamaeleng sentle mo diphathing tsa rona kana mo tsamaisong e re leng mo go yone re MR BOKO: Ke tlaa tla ke go neela later on. Mr Speaker, fetola Constitution ka bongwe ka bongwe to fit interest yesterday I heard an argument while I was watching ya rona ya nakwana? Sekai, go diragetse mo dingwaong television. It was said by one of the Members of tsa BDP fa go fetolwa go nna le succession provision Parliament, I cannot remember who, that “ke tshwanetse ya Presidency. Fa go bonwa gore batho ba ba lebegang go boela kwa Batswaneng ke ye go ba bolelela gore ke ba le popular go lebega e se bone ba ba batliwang ke tlhotswe jaanong, ga ke sa tlhole ke batla go ikamanya Tautona, go bo go fetolwa Constitution. Go diragetse le phathi ele.” We have other Members of Parliament ka tse dintsi. A mme le gompieno fa e le gore ga go sa ba Batswana ba neng ba ba kgwile jaaka segotlhola ba tlhole go batliwa Honourable Vice President Slumber re ba ga re ba batle. They cannot serve our interest and Tsogwane gore a tsene mo succession go bo go ntshiwa that of the country. O tle o kgone go bona boitimokayi Clause e nngwe e gotweng jaanong ga re sa tlhole re jo bo leng teng; Honourable Autlwetse is one of those na le succession because yo o leng teng ke yo re sa Members of Parliament. Batho ba Serowe ba rile ga re

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mmatle kwa Palamenteng. Honourable Mzwinila, batho allow for debates of personal attacks, this House will ba rile ga re mmatle kwa Palamenteng. Why is he here degenerate into chaos. Fa go na le kgang, bua le yone, fa e le gore we serve the interests tsa batho ba ba re tlogela go ikgatlha ka batho ba bangwe. Batho kwa ntle tlhophileng? Ke ne ke raya gore re tle re bone hypocrisy kwa ba eletsa gore fa o nna fa fatshe... of the highest order e e teng... HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. DR DOW: Batho, reetsang! Mr Speaker, protect me MR BOKO: Nnyaa, ba rile ga ba go batle. We do not please. know why you are here. You do not even know why you are here yourself… MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, she is debating, there is no procedure. She is wasting our time. MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): DR DOW: Mr Speaker, please protect me. Point of order. I think the Honourable Member is HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Inaudible)... misleading the House and the nation, we are here elected Members of Parliament by Parliament. We are DR DOW: Please protect me Mr Speaker... here elected by Parliament. Thank you. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: That is Constitutionally true. I hope Honourable Boko knows that. DR DOW: Please protect me Mr Speaker. Please protect me Mr Speaker. Batswana ba eletsa go utlwa MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker, but my point has motho a bua a reeditswe. Ba batla go utlwa gore kamoso been noted. My point is very simple. If the argument is matshelo a bone a tsile go fetoga. Ga ba dimatla, ba a that fa batho ba sa go batle, ga o a tshwanela go bonwa utlwa gore fa e le gore you are talking... mo Palamenteng and batho ga ba a ka ba mmatla, e seng at the primary elections, but at the general elections, ba MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, the Honourable Member will ema batho ba kwa Serowe ba re ga re batle go bona have time to debate... Honourable Autlwetse ka matlho a rona. E rile ba tsoga MR SPEAKER: I have not given you the floor ba mo fitlhela mo Ntlong ya Palamente, what is that? Honourable Boko. There was a point of order and we HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. will remain in order. I do not care, we will remain orderly. That is how this House is going to move. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. MR SPEAKER: Who has ruled? Is it for you to rule? DR DOW: Point of procedure. Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, I think this House will be out of procedure HONOURABLE MEMBER: You can see there is no if we are to allow this kind of debate of personal attacks, point of order. anger and has got no substance except to try to hurt HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… another person. That is the only reason. Ba go reeditse kwa gae ba batla go utlwa gore a o na le mabaka kana MR SPEAKER: Is it for you to rule? o tsile go sotla. That is the procedure. HONOURABLE MEMBER: It is not. It is a point of procedure Mr Speaker because the UDC on this very issue, only this week we were debating MR SPEAKER: So? You are a bystander until she as to whether or not it is part of their own position finishes. gore ba batla molao wa Specially Elected Member of HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Parliament. Yo mongwe o rile ga a o batle, yo mongwe a re nopolela manifesto wa bone gore ba a o batla. MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Members. Honourable Boko, probably I am going to be unfair Gompieno jaana ga re itse gore ba reng. The point of to you as I said before. Wena, Honourable Kgafela, procedure that I want to put to this House is that if we Honourable Mokgethi and Honourable Dow, I expect a

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better understanding of the law, and therefore, a better MR SPEAKER: I have refused to give you the floor. explanation and a rendition that will not cloud the minds of anybody. The legal position is simple, the majority HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are not empowered of Honourable Members in this House, were elected to refuse points of order. directly by Batswana. The Constitution, which is part MR SPEAKER: I have made a ruling. of what you are debating now, provides that those who have been elected by Batswana will convene and elect HONOURABLE MEMBER: You have not even heard SEMPs. You yourself Honourable Boko, were part of what I have to say, but ba BDP fa ba emelela, o ba that. You were part of that Electoral College, as provided sireletsa fela gore ba bue, rona o a gana. On a point of by the Constitution. Whether you voted for or against order Mr Speaker. is not the issue, but you were part of the Electoral College, so that the Specially Elected Members are MR SPEAKER: I have refused. Constitutionally elected. Molaomotheo wa lefatshe le, HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are not empowered ke one o o rileng lona ba le tlhophilweng ke Batswana le to turn down a point of order. You do not have those tle fa, le tle le tlhophe ba bangwe Batswana, lona ba le powers. tlhophilweng. Le dirile jalo ka fa tlase ga Molaomotheo o. Molaomotheo ga o a re, le ka tlhopha fela batho ba ba MR SPEAKER: I have just done it. neng ba sa emela ditlhopho. Molaomotheo Honourable Boko, I said probably I am going to be unfair to you, HONOURABLE MEMBER: You do not have those because nna le wena re a itsane, I want you of all people, powers. to be quite clear. MR SPEAKER: I have made a ruling.

You can disagree of course with the provision, which HONOURABLE MEMBER: Because you are hurt by allows this House to elect from among Batswana despite the points we are making, you are hurt by those points, the fact that somebody has been contesting and lost. You you want to protect the ruling party. can object, perfectly legal. What you cannot do is, then say that person is not here properly. That I will rule MR SPEAKER: No! I am not hurt. out of order, because it is only the Constitution which guides us, there is no other document. If you disagree HONOURABLE MEMBER: That is what you are with that provision, I will agree with you, disagree with doing. it, condemn it, it is your right, so that you can change it. However, admit that it provides so. Honourable Boko, MR SPEAKER: That is the end of the debate. your time has been saved. You have your time. HONOURABLE MEMBER: That is what you are HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr doing. So o re bolelele gore tota o buelela Domkrag. Speaker. MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, I have much respect for you…

MR SPEAKER: I have ruled. I am not allowing you to HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of procedure debate my order. Honourable Boko. Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. Speaker. MR SPEAKER: There is nothing wrong with the MR SPEAKER: I have ruled. There is no order. procedure, nobody has said a word after my ruling.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, I just want to find Speaker. out some procedures. MR SPEAKER: I refuse that. Honourable Boko. I have MR SPEAKER: No! Honourable Boko. made a ruling and I am not allowing… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Honourable HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr Boko. I was hoping you would recognize me, but I Speaker. realise you have a problem with that.

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MR SPEAKER: No, I am not… You are still standing HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… up. Honourable Leader of the Opposition! MR SPEAKER: Honourable Saleshando, you have the MR SALESHANDO: The point made by Honourable floor. Boko must be understood well. He has not said it is MR SALESHANDO: I do not just understand what unconstitutional…(Interruptions!)… I am elucidating a sometimes gets to the Speaker. You may be offended by point; you cannot stop me. our views… MR SPEAKER: I have stopped you. MR SPEAKER: No! HONOURABLE MEMBER: No. …(Inaudible)… MR SALESHANDO: …but you have got to listen to MR SPEAKER: I have. Yes, you are not elucidating, so us. Honourable Boko yielded for me to elucidate. Go I have stopped you. I have just done that. He is debating. simolola leng o gana elucidation mong wa floor a e dumetse? HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… The point made by Honourable Boko is this, that it HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… is politically undesirable, ga se gone mo matlhong a setšhaba. Gakere le ntse le bua ka gore fa batho ba MR BOKO: …(Inaudible)…she debated over a minute, defect ga go lebege sentle, le ene a re ga go lebege and you said nothing. We are not going to proceed in sentle batlhophi ba ganne Unity Dow, and this is not this manner. No! No, Mr Speaker. about rebuking. Batlhophi ba mo ganne, ba boditswe HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… gore Unity Dow ke yo o na le bokgoni jo, la reng ka ene? Ba re, e seng yoo. A bo a boa a tlisiwa fa, whether MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, you have the floor. it is Constitutional or not, that is not a debate. You HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… cannot stop us from expressing this view.

MR BOKO: No, we are not going to respect you when MR SPEAKER: No, that is why I said Honourable you do things in that manner Mr Speaker, not even three Boko can do that. seconds… MR SALESHANDO: O ne o nkemisa, se re no, ao!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, Honourable MR SPEAKER: I have just said no, he can do that. I Boko has yielded for me to elucidate. can distinguish between politics and the law.

MR SPEAKER: Yes. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: You cannot stop me. Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: If you are not elucidating, I will stop MR SPEAKER: No, let us have Honourable Boko you. debate.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)… MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker. Eish! Le nketshitse mo tseleng jaanong. Mr Speaker, mme mafoko a me a ne HONOURABLE MEMBER: I am elucidating. a se maleele. A ne a le makhutshwane fela ka tsela ya gore, let us approach this issue with sober minds. Let HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, we do not us give it time, let us engage those we have to engage, care whether you are hurt by our views… those who have put us in this House. I want to repeat, MR SPEAKER: No! this cannot be a preserve of 57 Members of Parliament plus the SEMPs. HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are. MR MMOLOTSI: On a point of clarification Mr MR SPEAKER: No! No! Speaker. Ke a leboga Honourable Boko. O ntse o le gone foo, ka gore ba ganeletse mo goreng ba rerisitse HONOURABLE MEMBER: You cannot be biased. batho ka 1998, kana gongwe e tlaa re re ntse re tsweletse

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ba tlaa re bolelela gore mo ditlhotlhomisong tsa bone Mr Speaker, dikgang tsa to amend the Constitution since 1998 go tla go goroga mo nakong ya gompieno, mo nakong ya gompieno, re ne re re go ne go ka reng ba ba ba rerisitseng, go tshela ba le kae? Gongwe fa di ka emela the review of the Constitution? Go ka we are debating kgang e e leng gore batho bao ba ba senyega eng? Why can we not wait for the review of the rerisitsweng, more than half ya bone ga ba sa tlhole ba Constitution, e bo re tsaya dikgang tse. Re bo re bona le mo botshelong. E bo e le gore re dira molao o e leng gore a di ka se ka tsa lebelelwa le tse dingwe by the time gore batho ba ba neng ba rerisitswe ka ditlhaloganyo tse we review the Constitution. ba neng ba na le tsone ka nako ya teng, ka botlhale jwa 1998, jaanong gatwe ditshwetso tsa bone, e bo e le tsone MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS tse re reng re a di tlotla gompieno. AND COOPERATION (DR KWAPE): On a point of clarification. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo MR BOKO: Thank you Honourable Member. This tsa Palamente. Ga ke itse gore a ke go utlwile sentle brings us to the Latin maxim that says, “Nihil de nobis, Motlotlegi Boko, a wa re molao ke one o o sa siamang sine nobis.” That is, “nothing for us, without us.” kana nako ya molao ke yone e sa siamang? Fa e le gore Batswana ba ba leng teng gompieno ba re there should molao ga o a siama, ke eng se se sa siamang ka Tshutiso be nothing for us, le fa le ka tswa le akanya gore le ba e ya ga Rre Morwaeng? O e tlhatswe ga ke itse gore a ke rata ka tsela e e kae… go utlwa sentle, a wa re molao ga o a siama, o bo o boa gape o re le nako ga e a siama? Fa e le gore ke molao, MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Boko, ga go a siama eng mo teng? Fa e le gore ke nako, ga go you will continue after the COVID break. Honourable a siama eng? Members, let us adjourn for COVID. MR BOKO: Thank you Honourable Minister. My focus PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 4:00 P.M. FOR fa e le gore o ne o utlwile fa ke tswa, e ne e le gore ke APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES tlile go lebelela ditsetlana tse re tshwanetseng go di sala PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 4:30 P.M. morago go fitlheleleng re baakanya the Constitution. I do not want to go into the merits or the demerits of it, I “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” have left it to other Members of Parliament (MPs). They are capable and will deal with that. Ke ne ke bua ka MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Good afternoon tsela e e tshwanetseng go salwa morago go fitlhelela fa Honourable Members. When we adjourned for some re batlang go fitlhelela teng. Ke gone fa ke neng ke le refreshments this afternoon, the Honourable Member teng. Ke ka moo ke reng go ka reng gore re emele nako for Mahalapye East was on the floor and he still has to ya to review the Constitution unless go se na maikaelelo himself seven minutes and 55 seconds. ape mo go lona le le babusi a go batla to review it. Go MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker and congratulations a supafala gore ga le na maikaelelo ape a to review the on your new appointment. Mr Speaker, when we left for Constitution mo nakong e le neng le re, you will review the COVID break, ke ne ke santse ke tlhalosa dikgang ka yone. Fa e le gore the skies are not falling, what is the tsa gore ke eng re re molao o ga o a siama, e bile o rush? That is the question that is asked by everybody, tla ka nako e e leng gore ga e a siama. Mr Speaker, o why are you rushing? Why are you in a hurry? You know tlaa gakologelwa gape gore Tautona wa lefatshe le la the answer, you are in a hurry because you see gore ntlo Botswana, Rre Masisi, o tlhalositse gore re tlaabo re ya ya lona e a na, e a tlhakatlhakana le tshaba gore bangwe kwa a Constitutional Review mo nakong e e sa fediseng ba tlaa felela ba tshabile mo o yone. That is not what you pelo. Re a gakologelwa gore go ka tswa go tsere lebaka should amend the constitution for. You should amend ka gore kgang ya teng e sale e builwe mo nakong e the Constitution for the benefit of the great populace not fetileng, go nna go oketswa nako ya yone. Mr Speaker, just your selfish interest. Constitution jaaka ke tlhalositse kgantele, ke nngwe ya DR GOBOTSWANG: On a point of elucidation. dilo tse di tshwanetseng go fiwa tlhompho le tlotlo e Sengwe se re tshwanetseng re se lemoge ke gore, e di tshwanelang. It is a very sacred document e e sa tsamaiso e ba batlang go e dira e, e ka nna turu mo go tshwanelang go nna e ntse e totonngwa-totonngwa. Fa e maswe. Kwa Zambia jaaka re bua jaana, gatwe ke moka le gore le batla go dira sengwe ka yone, le tshwanetse le go nang le ditlhopho kgwedi le kgwedi ka ntata ya molao se dire gangwefela le fetse. o. E bile ba batla go boela fa re leng teng gompieno.

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Ke ntse ke emogela molaetsa o tswa kwa go mongwe ba ke itseng gore dipelo tsa lona ga di a thatafala go ka wa bakaulengwe if I may quote Mr Speaker, “good fetoga. Ke one mafoko a ke neng ke batla go a kgaogana afternoon comrades, the law you are discussing today le lona in this Bill. This Bill e na le letimona mo teng. A will make us poor. You must look at what is happening re se ka ra o sala morago kana ra o fetisa. Ke a leboga in Zambia because there are elections every month and Mr Speaker. it is really costly to the country. They actually want to change it to be similar to yours currently. It is actually MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, nonsensical to take the route you are taking.” Thank you SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR honourable. RAKGARE): Ke a leboga Deputy Speaker. Mma ke simolole ka go go eleletsa masego le katlego mo setilong MR BOKO: Thank you Honourable Member. I think seo jaaka o le foo. Ke dumela gore re le Palamente, re that is the right word to use, this is a nonsensical law. It go tsentse foo re itse gore o na le bokgoni. Ke sone se does not make sense at all. When you look now at the cost re tshwanetseng ra go ema nokeng, e bile ra go sireletsa, implication of it, we will have instances whereby we will ra go direla tiro motlhofo. Re se ka ra e thatafatsa Rra be having bye-elections. Let us say somebody Modimo Nkamo, a Modimo o nne le wena. A Modimo a go a mo ipileditse and that one, there is nothing we can do tlhogonolofatse motho yo motona. about it. You know, bye-elections are also expensive not Mr Speaker, ke batla ke simolole ka go supa gore fa e just to ene yo o tlaabong a emetse ditlhopho kana party, kare re tsweletse, o bo o utlwa lentswe la me le roroma, but to bone batho ba ba tlaabong ba le mo mebileng, o itse gore ke santse ke tshogile ka tse di diragetseng mo letsatsing le le tseremang ba re tlhopha. Now, fa re ya kwa teeng. Ke ne ke ithaya ke re Ntlo e, ke imagine where we have the law that says, fa mongwe e e tlotlegang, e ke sa solofeleng go bona Batlotlegi a sa tlhole a batla go ka nna mo ntlong e, a batla go Mapalamente ba Kganetso fa ba tennwe ke sengwe, ba fuduga, khuduga ya gagwe e raya gore re simolole pele emelelana le Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, e re ya kwa mebileng and go ya go diragala ga kae? Re le gore e tlaa felela e nna ntwa fela. Re le bantsi kwano e a itse gore go ka tswa go lebega e kete go thitibalo ka bile re ne re setse re ipatlela diphatlha gore re iphalotse, koo mo nakong ya gompieno mme mo ngwageng o o go ne go lebega tota gore golo fa go tlhwaafetswe tlang, re a itse gore bangwe ba tlaabo ba simolola ba jaanong, banna ba ba batla difeisi, ba batla gore ba … ngala. Go raya gore fa ba simolola ba ngala, go tlaabo (Inaudible)… Mr Speaker. gotwe let us deal le go ngala ga bone re ye gape kwa matlhophelong. We cannot run a country like that, it is LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR expensive and costly. I want you to look from this angle SALESHANDO): Point of order. Mr Speaker, o ne o le ya gore jaanong e ya go nna turu. teng mo Palamenteng, jaanong se Rakgare a se dirang, o leka go raya setšhaba a re bangwe ba ne ba batla go lwa Gompieno re palelwa ke go okeletsa bagodi le bana ka difeisi mo Palamenteng. Ga go na ope yo o batlileng ba tertiary madi, la re ga go na madi. Jaanong one a go lwa ka difeisi. Fa e le sengwe, le ka bo le re akgolela ditlhopho tse di tlaabong di nna kgapetsakgapetsa, gore re ka ema ra sireletsa melao ya Palamente ka gore le tlaabo le a tsaya kae le le babusi ka koo? Ke tsone go emeng ga rona, go feletse Speaker a dumalana le dikgang tse e leng gore bagarona, a re di lebeleleng with rona go boela mo tsamaisong. Ke lantlha ke bona batho sober minds. Let us not just be drunk with power. We ba kgobotlediwa gore ba kgona go ema ba sireletsa know power corrupt and fa gongwe e a taga mme a re tsamaiso. lekeng go lebelela dikgang tse ka dipelo tse di bulegileg, tse di edileng and re tseye nako mo go tsone. MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Ke a leboga Honourable Leader of the Opposition. Motlotlegi Tona Like I said, I want to throw this to Honourable Rakgare wa tsa Banana, Ngwao le Metshameko, ke tsaya gore o and other youth that side ke re bagarona, let us not find ne a mpa a feta fela ka yone, he is not making an issue ourselves to be clapped in this thing ya gore we have to out of it. You have your point on that one Honourable sing along. Let us be independent thinkers. I know some Minister, please migrate to a new one. MPs that side are heart hardened. They cannot change. I plead with Honourable Rakgare to say, do not vote in MR RAKGARE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ga go favour of this Bill. Honourable Manake, do not vote in molato, metsi a gaufi le nna, ke tlaa kopa Honourable favour of this Bill. Honourable Majaga amongst others Segokgo gore a nne a bule lebotlele ka gore ke santse ke

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tshogile jaaka ke ne ke bua tota. le se re romile re se diragaditse fela jaaka tse dingwe le tsone di le teng tse go ngongoregiwang ka tsone gotwe MR SPEAKER: I have ruled on that issue Honourable batho ke ba ga ba batle go tlhama mebereko, ga ba rate Minister, migrate to a new one. bosemangmang, ga ba a ikaelela go tlhabolola lefatshe. MR RAKGARE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke raya Dilo tse tsotlhe Mr Speaker, re di neetswe e le mofago gore ke tlaa dira jalo, ke go utlwile. ke maloko a phathi ya BDP. Re itse gore ke dikeletso tsa Batswana, re tlile go di diragatsa. Mr Speaker, ke motho yo o nang le boikarabelo, mme bo fa Mr Speaker, kana kgang e e tswa kwa Marareng a Mopalamente a re Mapalamente a BDP ba utlwile botlhoko, bangwe ka rona ka kwano are disgruntled. rona, kwa Ntlo ya Dikgosi. E ne e tshwerwe ke Marara Nnyaa, re itse disgruntlement e le ka kwa. Mr Speaker, gore a mme kgang e Motlotlegi Rre Morwaeng a tlang gongwe ga o itse ka gore le wena o a ne o dikologa fela ka yone e maleba. E le bangwe ba bathai ba lefatshe o lobelwa dikgang ka go lebega go na le kilo e ntsi e le, ba sekaseka tse dintle le tse di maswe tse di tlang le e tseneletseng mo go wena. O dikologwa fela, mme Molao-kakanyetso o. Ba dumalana ka bongwefela jwa dikgang di dintsi ka kwa Mr Speaker. pelo e le Marara, babusi ba rona, e le beng ba tšhaba ya lefatshe la Botswana. Ba tsaya tshwetso ya gore MR BOKO: Point of order. Mr Speaker I think the nnyaa, rona tšhaba e re e busang ka fa re nnang re utlwa Honourable Member o dule mo tseleng fa a tlhalosa go buega ka teng, Mopalamente a tlhophilwe a bo a mafoko a a reng re le ka kwano re na le letlhoo mo go huduga ka setilo, tiro ya rona e e tona re le Marara ke wena. Ke dikgang tse di senang boammaaruri, tse di tlaa go sireletsa dikeletso tsa morafe o re o eteletseng pele. tlisang dikgotlhng gareng ga rona le wena ka tsela e e Jalo he, ba felela ba tsaya tshwetso ya gore nnyaa, bone ntseng jalo. He is imputing improper motives on us as e le Ntlo ya Dikgosi, ba dumalana ka bongwefela jwa Members of Parliament from this side. Re ne re kopa pelo gore kgang e e ka tla mo Palamenteng, mme rotlhe gore botoka fa go sena sepe se a se buang, ka gore ga re le Mapalamente le setšhaba sa lefatshe la Botswana, go nke go nna le sepe se a se buang, e bile Batswana ba re tshwanetse ra itse gore ba dumalana le gore Molao- mo emetse kwa ntle kwa, a ye go attend badiragatsi kwa kakanyetso o o tsene mo Palamenteng, e bile o fetisiwe ntle, kana a nne fa fatshe. Thank you. e nne molao. Ga se nna Mr Speaker, ke Marara. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, ga ke a go Jaanong ke le ngwana yo o boikobo Mr Speaker, ke tlhaloganya o ntse o re ka kwa, ka kwa, but please tlotla Magosi a lefatshe la Botswana, ke dumalana le direct your deliberations as per Standing Order 57.1; kakanyetso e e tlang ka Rre Morwaeng ka bongwefela eyes on the ball. As I know, you are highly able to do so jwa pelo. Ke ntse ke reeditse fa nkgonne Motlotlegi Honourable Minister. Have your floor sir. Mopalamente wa Bobirwa Honourable Lucas a bua gore nnyaa, kana go tliwa ka lepotlapotla, go a re, go MR RAKGARE: Honourable Boko le ba bangwe ba a re. Ka nako ya ditlhopho, diphathi tsa sepolotiki ba ntse ba supa gore go na le bangwe ka kwano ba ba sa ipapatsa ba lebile dikgatlhego tsa setšhaba se ba reng ba itumelang… kopa ditlhopho mo go sone, mme ba dire ditsholofetso. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Dikgang tse di senang Kwa ntleng ga moo, go nna le kwa re ithulaganyang teng boammaaruri. re le diphathi tsa sepolotiki. Ngwaga o o fetileng re le phathi ya BDP, re ne re le kwa Mochudi kwa ga Kgabo, MR RAKGARE: Ee, ba re go na le bangwe ka kwano ba kwa ga Kgafela ka July re ile go bua ka dikgang tse di ba sa itumelang, ke maikutlo a bone, ke ka fa ba lebileng mo phathing, le gore re ipaakanyeditse ditlhopho go le dilo ka teng. Jaanong ka re, le gone ka kwa, go na le kae. Gone koo Mr Speaker, ra tsaya resolution ya gore bangwe ba ke ba itseng ba ba sa itumelang. Mongwe wa Palamente e e tlaabong e tsena magareng ga 2019/2024, bone ke Pono Moatlhodi, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa molao kana Molao-kakanyetso wa floor crossing o Tonota, ga se sephiri gore ga a itumela. Re a bona mo tshwanetse o fete mo Palamenteng yone e. Ke tshwetso e Palamenteng gore ga a itumela. O dikologiwa fela, mo e neng e tserwe ke phathi ya rona e e busang. Jaanong ga gongwe e bile fa a le fa, batho ba mo dikologa fela, ba a ke dumele gore o kare re tla ka kgang e mo Palamenteng, sia, o bona gore golo fa go na le dikgang. Ga se sephiri, go bo gotwe re tla ka lepotlapotla. Nnyaa, ke tumalano ke kgang e e leng gore ga re ka ke ra tshaba go e bua. e re e dirileng. Fa re tswa fa jaana re le barongwa ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… phathi, re tlaabo re boela kwa phathing gore se le neng

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MR RAKGARE: Ke gone o tlang Mopalamente o go molato, molao o o tlaabo o letla, ga o kganele ope fitlhela re tshwere dikgang, o ka bo o tsena o batla to gore o ka fuduga mo phathing e a leng mo go yone. Se catch-up pele, o utlwe gore re tsamaya fa kae, o reetse se salang ke gore morago ga phudugo eo, go tlaa nna le pele. E se ka ya re e le gone o gorogang, o tswa kwa go by-elections tse di tlaa supang gore a mme gone batho tsa gago tse o neng o ile go di dira, tse di personal, o bo bao ba santse ba go rata kana ba rata mokgatlho o o neng o tla ka dikgang tse di ntseng jaana. o le mo go one. E bo e le gore jaanong o nna le sebaka Mr Speaker, tota kgang e e motlhofo. Consultation e sa gore o ka boa gape wa emela ditlhopho. Jaanong ga dirilwe, go ka tswa go le boammaaruri gore gongwe ke bone go na le mathata le kakanyetso e Mr Speaker. go diegilwe gore go diragadiwe Motion wa ga Mma Ke sone se ke neng ke bua fela gore ke o ema nokeng. Kokorwe, mme se se salang ke gore consultation e ne ya dirwa. Go ne ga tsamaiwa le Dikgotla mo lefatsheng Kwa bofelong, sengwe se se nkgakgamatsang jaaka le go batliwa maikutlo a Batswana, mme ba ne ba supa go tlhola go buiwa gore re fa re emetse dikeletso le gore kgang e ya floor crossing e botlhokwa gore e ye dikgatlhego tsa batlhophi ba rona, a bo bagarona ba kwa Palamenteng e nne molao. Re lapile re le Batswana kganetso jaanong ba bo ba ganana le se e leng kakanyo go tlhopha batho ba bo ba ya kwa Palamenteng ka ya batlhophi. Ra re batlhophi ba re tlhophile ka diphathi talama e, fa ba tsena kwa, ba bo ba fetola mebala. Ke tsa rona, a e re o fuduga, go nne le by-election, re boe golo mo re sa eletseng gore go ka tswelela go ntse go re ba fe sebaka gore ba itlhophele. Ga gotwe o tseelwa le teng. tshwanelo ya gore o ka boa wa ema. Fa re ipapatsa Mr Speaker, ga o ipapatse o ntse o re HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. ntlhophang batho ba Mogoditshane, ke … MR RAKGARE: Fa e le gore Hikuama o tlaabo a batla MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought. go tlolela ka kwano re le Domkrag, a re ratile, a dumela gore kwa Ngami batho ba fa a ba sekaseka jaana ba rata MR RAKGARE: Denied Mr Speaker for now. Domi, ra re a re boele kwa go bone ba Ngami, ba tle ba rurifatse gore ke boammaaruri Domi kwa Ngami ke MR SPEAKER: Denied? mochaochele. Ra rialo. MR RAKGARE: For now, denied. Ntlhophang ke MR BOKO: Clarification. Thank you Mr Speaker and Rakgare ke fano, go itaya go re, o tla o le mo mebaleng thank you Honourable Member. Ke utlwa o bua ka ya phathi ya sepolotiki fela jaaka re ne re kopa ditlhopho kgang ya gore re kgatlhegele maikutlo a batlhophi ba re le Domkrag. Re bua dikakanyetso tsa rona gore re ba re tlhophileng ba re tlisa kwano, mme ga se gore ga batla go tsamaisa lefatshe ka tsela e e ntseng jang for re a kgatlhegale. Jaanong wa reng ka boitimokanyi jwa the next five years.Re bua tse re akanyang gore gongwe gore e re ntswa fa gongwe batlhophi; kana batlhophi ke tsone tse e ka nnang tharabololo mo matshelong a fa ba go tlhopha, go a bo go supa gore ba na le lerato Batswana. mo go wena kana tumelo, ka ba e leng gore fa gongwe Go ne go na le debates tse re itseng gore di nna teng batlhophi ba supile gore ga ba na lerato mo go bone? Ga ka nako ya ditlhopho. Diphathi tsa sepolotiki di romela ke bue ka whether it is constitutional or not. Wa reng ka batho koo e le baemedi go ya go bua ditsholofetso tsa batlhophi ba ba supileng gore yo mme ga re mo tshephe, diphathi tsa bone. Re nna re chant slogans tsa diphathi o ka se ka a re isa gope, e bo e re batlhophi mo mosong tsa rona, re dira jalo ka gore o a bo o le moemedi wa ba tsoga, ba bo ba mo fitlhela mo Palamenteng?What is party. Ga o tle fela mo Palamenteng o re ke tla ka your response to that one? Thank you. bonna, ke ikemetse. Jalo hee, santlha go botlhokwa gore MR RAKGARE: Mr Speaker, ka mafoko a a ntseng maloko kana beng ba gago e le party ya gago, ba nne le jalo ke lebogile. Ke ema Molao-kakanyetso o nokeng. tshwanelo ya gore fa o batla go tlola go tswa mo phathing E bile gape bakaulengwe go se ka ga nna o kare go tlaa e ba go tlhophileng ka yone go ya kwa go e nngwe, ba nna le phudugo jaaka go ntse go fiwa dikai ka Zambia, e nne le seabe gore yo o tlaabong a go tlhatlhama e nna tlaa re fa molao o o sena go tla, a bo jaanong lefatshe le motho wa mohuta ofe. Jaaka Molao-kakanyetso o o bua, duba thankga go na le phudugo. fa e le gore o tlaabo o tenegile, o herekanye maikutlo kana gongwe o ka tswa o sa itumelela sepe mo phathing Sengwe se se botlhokwa ka one gape ke gore jaanong e o leng mo go yone, kana o tlhophilwe ka yone phathi re tlaa tlhoma matlho go ya ka fa batlhophi ba re eo ka ditlhopho tsa setšhaba. Jaanong fa o fuduga, ga

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tlhophileng ka teng mo tirong e re e neetsweng. Fa o dumela mo go yone. Re bone go diragala jalo, bo Rre tlhophilwe o le mo UDC, you focus to serve kgaolo ya Mmolotsi ba kgona go tswa go sele ba ya go sele, mme gago o le mo UDC. O bua tse le ntseng le di bua tse di batho ba bo ba nna ba supa gore re ba setse morago. ka sekeng di kgonagale, tse re itseng gore ga di ka ke tsa Jaanong ke tsaya gore fa go ntse jalo, re itse gore go na kgonagala. Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo Mr Speaker, ke boela le candidate le party, thulaganyo eo e ne e ikatlhola ka morago, mme ke ema Molao-kakanyetso o nokeng. Ke boyone. E ne e sa tlhoke gore go tsewe molao o tlisiwe a leboga. ka kwano.

MR MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): Thank Le fa go ntse jalo, fa o lebelela re ya kwa ditlhophong you Mr Speaker. Ke tsene mo Molao-kakanyetsong o tsa 2019, go na le dilo tse BDP e neng e di solofeditse o beilweng fa pele ga rona, mme re lebelele ngwaga wa batho, ba tlhopha ba lebile gore dilo tse ba di bayang fa 1998, fa go ne go tlisitswe Tshutiso e e neng e supa jalo pele ga rona, ke tse re ba tlhophelang tsone. Dingwe tsa gore go se ka ga letlelelwa mapolotiki go tsamaya ka dikgang tse, ke tse di neng di bua ka corruption. Re bona ditilo. Potso e ka nna gore, go tswa kwa go 1998 go tla go batho bangwe ba tshwarwa kwa airport, batho ba tsaya tsena monongwaga, ke eng go ne go sa dirwe one molao gore BDP e tlhwaafetse, mme morago ga ditlhopho re wa go nna jalo ka nako eo? Fa o ka lebelela go tswa ka bona dikgang tse di neng di ntse jalo, gompieno jaanong one ngwaga oo go tla go tsena gompieno, o ka ela tlhoko di tswa ka diphatlha tsa menwana. thata gore bontsi jwa Mapalamente kana Makhanselara a a neng a tlola, a ne a tsamaela kwa phathing e e busang Ke gone mo o bonang Batswana ba dumela gore golo ya BDP ka nako eo. Jaanong fa o o tsaya mo nakong fa re ne re tserwe ka loleme, e ne e le tsietso e go neng ya gompieno e molao o tlisiwang, ba lemoga jalo gore go ipewa e kete dilo di dirwa sentle, go tewa gore re tle jaanong o kare lewa le fetogile, Mapalamente kana re tlhophe. Ke gone mo o bonang batlhophi jaanong ba Makhanselara ga ba sa tlhole ba tla kwa phathing ya ya kwa Mapalamenteng, ba ba bolelela gore bagaetsho, BDP, ba ya kwa diphathing tsa kganetso. Ke gone mo o a re tloleng. Le gone kwa bo Gaborone Central fa ke bonang BDP jaanong e tla ka molao o gore lebati le re bua jaana, ba bua le Mopalamente gore rra, dilo tse re neng re ntse re le akola, re batla go le tswalela ka gore neng re di solofeditswe ga re di bone, rona jaanong re batho ga ba tle kwa go rona ka ba a tswa. O kgona go a tsamaya, fa e le gore wena o a sala, o tlaa sala. Ga bo bona gore maikaelelo a teng a ntse jang. Ke gone mo o go se molato gore fa Mopalamente a utlwa batlhophi bonang molao o o tla ka lepotlapotla. ba bua jalo ba re re a tsamaya ba re go tlhophileng, re sale morago, ga go na mathata a gore jaanong le ene a E re o tlile ka lepotlapotla jaana mo Palamenteng, the bo a ba sala morago, a lebelela gore o ne a le teng nako Father of the House a bo a kopa jalo gore e bile when ya tsietso e e diragala, ya dilo tse ba di solofeditsweng. debating, nako ya bone e fokodiwe ka gore o a bo a Fa o bona morwalela o le teng jaana, ke mabaka a gore tlhaloganya sentle gore fa go ntse go tsaya nako e telele jaanong Batswana ba bone gore tse tsotlhe tse re neng jaana, kana ba bangwe morwalela o etla ba ntse ba a re di solofeditswe jaaka koloi ya motlakase, jaanong ga tswa kwa phathing ya BDP. Ke gone mo o bonang a e diragale. limit nako gore molao o tle o fete ka pela gore ba ba santseng ba tshwaretswe ka kwa, noka e ba kganetse, re Dikgang tse di neng di le teng Batswana ba itse gore tle re ba tswalelele ka pela. Ga se yone tsela e e siameng kwa Ipelegeng, ba kgona gore fa ba ntse ba theogetse go ya gore re tsamaise kana re dire molao ka one. O kgona bo go na le dijonyana tse motho a neng a neelwa tender go bona gore o molao gompieno o tlile ka mathata fela ya three months a kgona go jesa batho ba Ipelegeng, ga a letshogo le letona. di diragale. Batswana ba ne ba tlhopha BDP ka dikgang tse. Jaanong Batswana ba re nnyaa, dilo tse tsotlhe Kgang e nngwe e re tshwanetseng go e lebelela ke gore, ga di diragale, go raya gore re kopa Makhanselara le kana fa re ya kwa ditlhophong, go na le the candidate, Mapalamente gore a re fudugeng. go bo go nna le party. Fa o lebelela mo dinakong tse tsotlhe, re ne re tlhaloganya gore fa motho a tlodile ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification setilo, go na le gore mo ditlhophong tse di latelang, mokaulengwe. batho ba bo ba ka ikatlholela gore a re tsamaile le ene ka go ya go mo tlhopha kwa phathing e a leng kwa go MR MATHOOTHE: Makhanselara ba le bonang ba yone. Fa re ne re sa dumalane le ene, ba tlaabo ba na le fuduga kwa Central, ga ba fudusiwe ke gore ba batla go sebaka sa go tlhopha mo phathing e ba neng ba ntse ba sia ka tlhopho ya batho, ba fudusiwa ke gore batho ba

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ba raya ba re… re a tsamaya re ya kwa gongwe go ka nnang botoka teng. Gone mo go bo go dira gore Mokhanselara kana HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Mopalamente ba bone gore ba sale batho ba bone morago MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought. Honourable ba ba ba tlhophileng. Dilo tse ba di lebelela ka tsela e e Member for Ghanzi South. Please, switch off your ntseng jalo, go a bo go sena sepe se ba siileng ka sone. microphone Honourable Mathoothe. Ke gone mo ke dumelang gore the Constitution ka fa e ntseng ka teng, e a bo e letla diemo tse di ntseng jalo, tse MR MOTSAMAI: Clarification. Ke ema fa ke e reng fa ba bona gore re ne re sa tlhopha sentle ka gore ikokobeditse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. re ne re tserwe ka leleme, re nne le tshono ya gore yo re Ke batla mokaulengwe a tlhatswe kgang e ka gore ke mo tlhophileng re mo tseye re tsamae ka ene. Ke yone nna kgakala kwa dikgaolong tse di kwa teng gore ke freedom e Constitution e ntseng e ntse ka teng… kgone go ya go e tlhalosa sentle. Kana gatwe go na HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Mr le koloi nngwe e e dirwang kwa Mogoditshane kwa Speaker. mahureng. A tlhatswe gore a koloi e gotweng e dirwa kwa mahureng kwa Mogoditshane e, ga se yone e e neng MR SPEAKER: On what point Honourable Mmolotsi? gotwe Batswana ba tlaa direlwa ditiro di le 100,000 ka MR MMOLOTSI: Clarification. yone le gore gongwe e hirile batho ba le kae? MR SPEAKER: Please go ahead. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, ga gotwe kwa mahureng; kwa mahure. Honourable Member for MR MMOLOTSI: Clarification. O e tshwere sentle Serowe North, tlhatswa koloi e e kwa mahureng rra. mme gongwe o gatelele mo go reng dikgang tse di tshwanetse go tsamaya mmogo; ya gore batlhophi ba MR MATHOOTHE: Ke tsone dikgang tse ke di buang eletsa eng. E o sa tshwanelang go e tlogela kwa morago gore e rile fa go iwa ditlhophong go ne ga buiwa dikgang ke ya gore batlhophi ba tlhophile Mapalamente mme fa tse dintsi. Fa go builwe dikgang tse dintsi jaana fa go ba sa ntshe maduo (non-performance), ba gana sengwe iphitlhelwa mongwe a dira sengwe fale, go a sianwa go le sengwe, gatwe molao o o tlogelela eng thulaganyo e iwa kwa go ene gore go tle go lekwe go supiwa koloi e ya gore batlhophi ba reng fa e le gore Mopalamente o re neng re bua ka yone ke e. Ke gone mo o tlaa bonang tletse mpa? dikgang tse fa gongwe di nna teng mo Palamenteng. E a bo e le ka mabaka a gore batho ba Modimo go a bo go MR SPEAKER: Maybe before you respond sena sepe se ba ka se dirang. Ke go tsamaya ba ulauletsa Honourable Member for Serowe North, ga se nna ke ka fa ba ka ulauletsang teng. go rayang ka re neela mang clarification or not. In all fairness ka fa ke kopang ka teng ke le rapela batlotlegi, Fa ke tswelela, ke ne ke bua ka gore Mapalamente le the Honourable Minister responsible of Infrastructure Makhanselara ba a bo ba sa sie ka seats tsa batho. Batho and Housing Development o ne a kopa pele. Ga ke e a bo e le bone ba ba tlhalosetsang gore kwa re neng re patike fela ke kopa gore le neelane bagaetsho. ntse re le teng jaanong mosasana o a rutlomologa; fa e le gore wena o tlaa sala, rona re ile. Ke gone mo o tlaa MR MATHOOTHE: Ee Honourable Mmolotsi, go bonang Mokhanselara a ipotsa gore jaanong fa ke le mo ntse jalo. Fa Mopalamente a tlhophilwe ke batho a tlile matlotleng batho ba fudugile, ke wa ga mang? mo Palamenteng, ba kganetso ba tla ka Ditshutiso tse di tsamaelanang le se batlhophi ba se mo fileng a bo a HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. sa bone tshono ya gore a dumalane le bone, gone moo MR MATHOOTHE: Go a bo go sena sepe se ba siang go tlaabo go supa gore ga a dire boikarabelo jo a bo ka sone, e a bo e le gore bone ba re fa re neng re rile re neetsweng. Fa o tsaya dikgaolo tse di ka kwa kgaolong baya teng… ya Kgalagadi tsotlhe, o fitlhela e kete ba beetswe ka fa thoko mme e le bone ba tlhophileng phathi ya ga HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Domkrag. O kgona go bona fela gore ba e tlhophile ka MR MATHOOTHE: …fa re neng re rile re baya teng dipalo tse dintsi mme jaanong ba a bona gore thaaka! jaanong ga go sa tlhole go tshwarega. Ke gone mo re kwa re neng re isitse tlhopho teng ga go sa tlhole go tsayang mosepele, re tsaya mesobana ya rona re re tswa sepe. Ke gone mo o bonang gompieno jaana gore fa e le gore kwa mafelong a bone…

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MS MONNAKGOTLA: Clarification Mr Speaker. MR MMOLOTSI: On a point of elucidation. Ke ne ke Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Tshutiso e e kile ya diragala ka re ke go tlatse fela gone… 2009 kwa Kgalagadi North. Mopalamente mongwe a tswa a sa laela mme batlhophi ba tsaya tshwetso ba se MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi, you have to be ka ba tlhola ba tlhopha phathi eo. Jaanong ke go reye called upon by the Speaker. You do not just stand and ke re kwa Kgalagadi North ga ba rate gotlhelele; they say, “ke ne ke re ke go...” Please go ahead Honourable support Tshutiso e ka matsogo a mabedi. Ke a leboga. Member for Francistown South.

MR MATHOOTHE: Fa ke go reeditse sentle o MR MMOLOTSI: Sorry Mr Speaker, ke motho yo ke dumalana le nna gore fa go na le yo o duleng a ya go bofefo thata. Ke ne ke re ke go tlatse gape gone foo sele, batlhophi ba na le tshono ya gore ba tle ba baakanye mokaulengwe gore kana molao o ka gore ke o o senang seo. Go gabedi; ba kgona go mo sala morago ba ye kwa boammaaruri, molao o e ne e… a leng teng. Ke gone mo ke reng tsamaiso eo e siame ka MR SPEAKER: Molao-kakanyetso. gore ga e tlhokafale gore go nne le sengwe se gotweng se tlisiwa kwano se tlaa go baakanya. MR MMOLOTSI: Molao-kakanyetso o, e ne ya re ka 2010 mokaulengwe, Tona wa Presidential Affairs Ke gone mo ke neng ke tswelela ke re kwa dikgaolong Rre Mokgweetssi Masisi ka nako eo a tla ka Molao- tsele tsa Kgalagadi kwa go nang le mafelo a le radio e kakanyetso o ka nako e BMD e sena go nna e tlhamiwa sa utlwaleng teng, ba bona gore jaanong ga gona sepe se (formed) e le gore Mapalamente ba ne ba fuduga se dirwang. Ba bona gore ba ne ba tlhophile phathi ya ga ka kwa. Fa ba setse jaanong ba fuduga ba boela kwa Domkrag mme go ntse go tsweletse ga gona sepe se se Domkrag gape ba bo ba o boela morago ba sa tlhole ba dirwang. Ke gone ba rayang batho ba re a re fudugeng, o tsweledisa. O kgona go bona gore ka nako ya teng ba re bone gore golo kwa re neng re tlhophile teng, re ne ne ba re ba o dirisa go tswala gore maDomkrag ba se ka re sa tlhopha sentle. Ke gone mo o bonang go nna jaana ba tsamaya. Jaanong gompieno ba o tlisa gape ka gore go bo go tsenya Makhanselara le Mapalamente mo ba belaela gore maDomkrag a ka nna a tswa, ba tla ka pitlaganong ya gore go tsamaya le phathi le batho ba re molao. Molao wa teng ke one o o nang o tlisiwa o kare ba emetseng, re tsaya kgato efe. Ke gone mo o bonang noga ya sekata-mosima, go tshosiwa ka one. batho ba felela ba itlhophela go tsamaya le batho. Go tsamaya le batho ke gone mo le reng le tla ka molao o MR MATHOOTHE: Ga go na boammaaruri jo bo o tlang o emisa Mapalamente gore ba se ka ba tsamaya fetang joo. Kana re a bo re batla gore re bule batho le batho kwa ba yang teng gore ba tle ba nne le puo ya matlho, ba bone gore molao o go tswa kwa o tswang gore ke ka bo ke tlodile jaanong re kganetswe ke molao. teng ka 1998 go tsena gompieno, ke eng o ne o ntse O kgona go bona gore o molao ke o o diretsweng fela o sa dirisiwe. E ne e le mabaka fela a gore ba bo ba gore o tle o kganele batho ba ba nang le gore ba ka tlola. emetse motlha wa bofelo o ba bonang gore phathi ya Dilo tse o di ele thoko gore go ne ga simologa kae. Gone ga Domkrag ka 2024 go itsiwe gore e tlaabo e seyo mo kwa Mapalamenteng a phathi ya Domkrag, ba bangwe Pusong. Jaanong ba leke ka lebati leo la to block batho ba ne ba supa gore ga re a itumela, re batla go tsamaya. ba ba batlang gore ba tswe mo go yone. Ga simololwa pele ka maemo gotwe fa re ka mo tikelela MR KEORAPETSE: Elucidation. Mokaulengwe, a o a maemo a gongwe o ka ema. Ga nna jalo fela ga nna ga lemoga gore go tlhoka boammaaruri mo re go bona gape pala go bo go bonala gore jaanong go tliwe ka molao o mo go reng batho ba ba tshwanang le bo Rre Kwelagobe o tlileng go kganela maikutlo a batho ka fa a ntseng ka maDomkrag a matona ba ba kgatlhanong le Molao- teng. kakanyetso o are not quoted by bakaulengwe? Batho Go ne ga nna le Tshutiso e nngwe e e neng e le teng ba tshwana le bo Rre Masire mo dilong tse dingwe tse e e neng e supa gore go nne le direct election of the phathi ya Domkrag e kileng ya di dira, mme a ne a supa President, e karabo ya teng e nnileng gore e dingalo gore nako e tlile ya gore di fetoge, ga ba bue ka tsone. Se to be implemented ka gore ga gona madi. Jaanong sengwe ke gore a o lemoga gore molao o nako le nako fa fa gompieno go tla e go nang le kgonagalo ya gore o tla, o tla ka nako e go a bong go na le phathi e ntšha e e kgapetsakgapetsa go bo go nna le bye-elections, madi a tlhamilweng, e Mapalamente le Makhanselara a batlang yone a ya go tswa kwa kae? O kgona go bona gore golo go inaakanya le yone? Ka 1998 o tlile to prepare people fa re bua re feta re boela kwa morago. negatively to react against the BCP, wa tla ka 2010 e le

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gore go tshogilwe ka BMD. O tlile gompieno ka BPF molao o o tlisitswe go sa ipaakanngwa mo dilong tse le go kopanngwa ga diphathi ke UDC. A o lemoga go dintsi thata, e le mabaka fela a gore go itlhaganelelwa to tlhoka boammaaruri mo go consistent ga Domkrag? block batho gore ba se ka ba tlola. Thank you Speaker.

MR MATHOOTHE: Tota go tlhoka boammaaruri ke MR NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): Mma golo mo go sa siamang, ke sone se o bonang gompieno ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente batho ba emelela ka phuduga e e kwa godimo, ka gore e wa gompieno, le nna ke go eleletse tsamaiso e e rile ka 2019, ba ne ba tsaya gore ba bone teemane kante segofaditsweng ke Modimo, gore le kamoso fa re ba bone marago a lebotlele. Ke sone se se diragalang. tsere Puso o tle o re tsamaise sentle ka re beile mo go Jaanong ba emelela, ba huduga. wena. Mr Speaker, ke ema jaana ke le kgatlhanong le Dilo tse dingwe tse o ka di elang tlhoko fela tse di leng Molao-kakanyetso o o beilweng Palamente pele. Ke sa motlhofo, Batswana ga ba a itumela, ga go a itumela dumalane le one ka mabaka a mantsi, a ke tlaa tsenang Mapalamente a Domkrag fela ka kwa, le Batswana ga mo go one. Ke bona e le molao o o tenegileng, o o ba a itumela. Selo se ke batlang go gakolola ka sone itlhaganetseng, o o sa akanyediwang sentle ke ba ba o ke gore, fa molao o feta, ba itse gore ke bomo e ba tlisitseng fa. Molao o ke dumela gore o tseela Motswana e tsentseng mo pateng, ka gore ga o ka ke wa nna le tshwanelo ya gagwe ya go batla go dira se a batlang motho a sa itumela. Potso e nngwe e o ka e ipotsang go nna sone. O tseela Mapalamente their Constitutional ke gore, fa motho a kobilwe ke phathi, Mopalamente right to associate ka fa go ntseng go ntse ka teng. Se ke wa go nna jalo o tshwanetse gore a dire jang? Bangwe lekang go se supa fa Your Honour ke gore, ga e ka ke ya fa ba bua ba re, o tshwanetse go nna fela, a ntse a le re gotwe, you are free go ka tlolela kwa godimo, o bo o mo phathing, mme re ntse re sena le ene. O kgona go fitlhela o beetswe dipekere fa fatshe gore o wele mo go bona gore ke thulaganyo e e neng e patelediwa fela, ka tsone, go bo gotwe ke freedom… mabaka a go batla go kganela bangwe batho. Ga re a tshwanela go iphitlha ka sepe, re tshwanetse re bone, re HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… lebelele, re bule matlho a go bona gore molao o ga o a tla ka maikaelelo a gore ke yone priority ya Batswana. MR NKAWANA: Fa e ne e le mo bolong, phathi e ya O ka ipotsa gore mo mathateng a a leng teng, mo dilong Domkrag fa go na le referee yo o kgonang go bona gore tse di leng kana, kgang e le e tlisitseng fa pele ga rona motho o beetse yo mongwe sesana and was refereed, ke e ya go thusa matshelo a Batswana ka tsela e e ntseng bone ba. Bolo e re e itseng ya bogologolo ya dikausu, jang? Go na le tse dingwe tse re neng re tshwanetse ba ne ba beela ba bangwe disana, gore o tle o kgoboge gore re lebagane le tsone, mme re bo re ikaelela gore menwana, ka e ne e ragiwa ke batho ba sa rwala ditlhako. mo letsatsing la gompieno le fa o ka lebelela the table MR HIKUAMA: Clarification. Ke a leboga of contents tse di leng teng, ke yone e e tlileng ya Bills, Honourable Member, ke a leboga Speaker. Honourable, e beilwe kwa pele. Fa o tsaya e ya Registry of Offenders a ko o mphetise fa, Molao-kakanyetso o o supa gore di tla kwa morago, o kgona go bona gore ba ne ba di phathi e ka go koba fa e sa go batle, mme gape those tsaya ba di baya kwa pele jalo ba bona gore e ke yone who support Molao-kakanyetso o ba re, fa o tswa jalo o konokonoko mo go bone. a bo o nyatsa dikeletso tsa batho ba ba go romileng. Fa ASSISTANT MINISTER OF YOUTH phathi e go koba, dikeletso tsa batho ba ba go romileng EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE di kae gone fa? Go ya ka fa o lebang ka teng, a ga o bone DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Clarification. Ke molao o o le selfish, o tletse boitimokanyi jo bo seng batla go go tlhaloganya Honourable Member gore, wa kana ka sepe, fa o lebile? re fa motho a kobiwa mo phathing e a leng mo go yone MR NKAWANA: O e tshwere mokaulengwe. Molao o ya kae, a o nna fela mo go yone? o jaaka ke supile, ke wa batho ba ba tenegileng, ba MR MATHOOTHE: Ke ne ke tsere gore o tla nthusa tshogile, ke Molao wa self-preservation. Ba le bantsi ba mo go yone eo, ka gore ka fa ke utlwang ka teng ke setse ba supile gore motlhala wa Domkrag ke gore fa ba gore fa o kobilwe mo phathing, o ka se kgone go ya to tshogile ba tla ka molao o o ba sireletsang. Go supegile join party e nngwe, mme go raya gore o nna fela fa o ka nako ya ga Tautona Quett Masire yo gompieno a tlaabong o ntse o le teng, fa o kobetsweng teng. Ke ne senang le rona mo botshelong… ke tsere gore gongwe e tlaa re o emelela re thusane mo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. go yone, ka gore ke kgang e ke neng ke e tlhalosa ke re,

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MR NKAWANA: Ke tla go neela, mma ke mo time seemong se se re rayang se re, re tshwanelwa ke gore re pele sebakanyana… simolole re ye kwa bathong gape, ka gore ka nako eo ba ne ba araba ka mabaka a a neng a le teng. Re ye kwa MR SPEAKER: I did not hear that. bathong, re ye go bua le bone ka mogopolo o, re utlwe HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, he is not maikutlo a bone, e seng bale ba maloba ba ba neng ba le yielding. 1.5 ka nako eo, re bua ka batho ba e leng gore there are over two million today. Go a tlhokafala gore 22 years o MR SPEAKER: …(Inaudible)...not you Honourable o fetileng, re tseye gore dilo tse dintsi di fetogile, jalo Member. hȇ, le yone tumalano eo ga e tlhole e tshela.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Ke utlwa ba bangwe ba re ka nako ya COVID ba kile ba rerisa. Ba ba nthomileng kwa Phikwe le kgaolo yotlhe le MR NKAWANA: Nako ya ga Tautona Masire, fa a ne a Mmadinare, ga ba dumalane le mogopolo o. Ba dumela batla go kganela bo Kedikilwe le bangwe gore ba se ka gore go tshwanetse go nne le thero e ntšha, ka gore ba tsena mo bo Tautoneng, he changed the Constitution mongwe o supile gore ka nako eo, bontsi jwa batho ba gore go tsene yo a mo tlhatlhamang e le Vice President. ba neng ba dumela, ga ba sa tlhole ba le mo botshelong. Ke gore fa o se Vice President ga o ka ke wa tsena. Ke Re na le banana ba ba tseneng dikole, ke utlwela bone sone se le gompieno Mothusa Tautona a beileng mo go botlhoko fa e le gore gompieno, mongwe o kile a ba sone. God forbid gore fa yole a ka suta ka ditsela dipe, o balolola ka maina, gore mo sebakeng se, ba ka tshosiwa itse go tsena ene, ga go ka ke ga tsena ope, ka molao wa ke motho yo ene a itibileng gore Puso ya gagwe e a tsamaiso ya ga Domkrag. phatlakana, o batla gore a digele term ya gagwe. MR KEORAPETSE: Point of elucidation. Mr Speaker, re tlhokana le melao e e progressive, e Mokaulengwe o e tshwere sentle, o a lemoga gore ke sireletsa babereki, e e sireletsang dikgwebo gore banana, seDomkrag gore Molaomotheo is malleable, ke gore Batswana e nne bone, di nne protected, be reserved, ke o fetolwa fela to suit dikeletso tsa phathi le dikeletso yone melao e re e tlhokang. Re tlhokana le molao, e tsa moeteledipele, jaaka o buile sekai se se siameng seng Fidelis; re tlhokana le molao o o direlwang gore sa ga Rre Masire a sireletsa Rre Mogae gore bo Rre itsholelo ya Botswana, e tsene mo diatleng tsa Batswana, Kedikilwe le Rre Kwelagobe ba ba neng ba ka tla ba ke yone melao e re e tlhokang e itlhaganetse. E seng tsaya bo Tautona fa go ne go ka iwa ditlhophong mo molao wa gore, ka gore ke tenegile, batho ba tloga ba Domkrag, e bo ba idiwa ka Molaomotheo. ntlogela fa ke leng teng. Molao o fa o o lebile, ke molao Se sengwe se o se lemogang se ba sa se bueng ke gore, o o dirwang ke motho... kana ditshwetso tse motho a kileng a di ema nokeng pele, MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND ga go molato gore o ka di fetogela. Jaaka Rre Masire HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR KGAFELA): re itse gore o tlhokafala e le gore kgang ya automatic Point of clarification. Ke a go leboga motlotlegi. Ke succession, ga a e eme nokeng. eletsa fela gore o papamale kana o tlhomamise gore fa MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga, o e tshwere sentle go iwa ditlhophong, bangwe ba batlhophi ba tlhopha the individual candidate, bangwe ba tlhopha phathi, mokaulengwe. Ke ne ke batla gore Matona le fa bangwe ba tlhopha a combination of the individual Mapalamente a a ka kwa, ba tlhaloganye gore fa ba ntse candidate and the party. I would like that to go down ba re go kile ga re ka 1998, re bua dingwaga di le 22, on record gore, is that a true fact or not sir? Thank you. mme ka nako eo fa e le go kile ga nna le therisanyo, re tshwanetse ra lemoga gore koloi ya diwaere e ne e MR NKAWANA: Ke a go leboga Honourable Kgafela. ise e nne teng, e ne e ise e akanyediwe ke ope, dilo di Dikgang tse di ntseng jaana honourable, ke Kgoberego fetogile. Re lemoge gore ka nako ya teng, Mapalamente Nkawana wa Selebi Phikwe East. Ke tsentse leina ke le in total ba ne ba le 40 not 63. Go ne go ise go nne Kgoberego Nkawana wa Phikwe East, ka lopiwa madi internet ya fiber cable, gone moo, ga ke itse gore e mangwe a ke neng ka tshwanelwa gore ke a duele ke le bidiwa jang sentlesentle. Population ya Botswana, e ne kwa Phikwe East, ke na le basupi ba ba neng ba ntshupela e ise e tshware two million at the time. Go fetogile dilo ba Phikwe East. Ka fenya ditlhopho tsa Phikwe East ke di le dintsi tse re ka di balololang, tse di re bayang mo le Kgoberego Nkawana. Ka bidiwa ke ba ditlhopho ba re, “rraetsho, o fentse, tlaa o tseye madi a maloba o re a

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neela o tsenelela ditlhopho,” ke le Kgoberego Nkawana. Gore kgang e re e tsaya ka maikutlo a a kwa godimo a Ga ke a kwalelwa through any party, ga ke a kwalelwa letshogo, ee, go tshoga go teng, mongwe le mongwe o ke Secretary General wa phathi epe. Ga ke a kwalelwa tshwanetse go tshoga fa batho ba fuduga, but they have ke phathi epe e nthaya e re, ya kwa Revenue o ye go a right to do so. Ke tshwanetse go supa gore, e se ka ya tsaya madi a gago. re fa batho ba re ba a tswa o bo o ba beela dipekere gore ba wele mo go tsone, o ba gamola. MR KEKGONEGILE: Point of elucidation. Tanki Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Honourable Nkawana. Nnyaa, Ke batla go supa gape gore Mr Speaker, kana nako e go o mo tseleng, o e bua sentle. Fa re tsaya kgaolo, re fa neng go dirwa consultation ya the communities tse ke sekai gongwe ka kgaolo e e tshwanang le e Honourable neng ke sa tswa go bua ka tsone, ke nako ele, le level Kgafela a leng kwa go yone, kana Honourable Kgafela of literacy ya Botswana e ne e santse e le kwa tlase o bua boammaaruri fa a re, fa gongwe go tlhophiwa thata. Gompieno ke dumela gore go ka nna cheaper phathi, fa gongwe go tlhophiwa motho. Phathi ga e reye and quicker, re rerisa re dirisa physical interaction kana gore e tlaa tlhophiwa all the time jaaka re bona kwa maranyane a segompieno. Le drones tota di le mo teng kgaolong e e tshwanang le ya gagwe, e Honourable fa re gorogile foo. A tse tsotlhe tse… Dow a e itseng gore matlhoko a yone ke eng. Matlhoko a yone ke gore dipalo tsa opposition teng di dintsi, mme MS MONNAKGOTLA: Clarification Mr Speaker. Ke gompieno Honourable Kgafela is a beneficiary,ka gore a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke leboge Motlotlegi Nkawana go ne go na le kgotlhang mo opposition gone kwa, that go bo a nnetse. O a botsa gore, kante ke eng go tserwe is why batho ba ne ba fuduga ba re rona re ya go tlhopha tshwetso e ka bonako? Ke santse ke botsa Rre Nkawana yo, not re tlhopha phathi. gore, fa Tona Morwaeng a lemoga gore kwa lephateng la gagwe dilo dingwe ga di a siama, e bile golo foo ga MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker… go direlwe Batswana sentle, a bona gore tota golo fale ga go a siama, a Tona a se ka a baakanya? Ke a leboga. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke supe HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... gore Batswana ba tshwenyegile Mr Speaker, gongwe MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, le gongwe mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Gangwe le gape our rules are straight. Standing Order 58.4, when fa ba gana motho mo ditlhophong, ba felela motho another Member is on the floor, the entire floor has got wa mofuta oo ba mmona kwa khanseleng kgotsa kwa to remain silent. Le ka bua le batho ba ba tona, but le Palamenteng. Dilo tse ke tsone tse di tshwenyang, re buele kwa tlase please. There was clarification sought, ka bo re ne re dira molao o o supang gore batho ba did you yield Honourable Nkawana? ba gannweng ke setšhaba ka nako ya ditlhopho, ga re otlhae batho ba ba ganneng, ga re ba ikgantshetse, ga MR NKAWANA: No, Mr Speaker. re ba tlobelele mo bathong, re re ka gore ke rona re MR SPEAKER: Please go ahead. nang le dithata. Fa motho a gannwe ke batho, o gannwe ke batho. Mokaulengwe o sa tswa go supa gore batho MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga. Mr Speaker, re fa ba go rata, ba a tsamaya ba bo ba go rerisa gore a tshwanetse ra ikgakologelwa… re tsamaye. A wena o tlaa sala mo letlotleng batho ba tsamaile? Ke eng fa re ka se ke re amogele ditshwetso HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarificationgape. tsa batho ka fa di ntseng ka teng? Ke eng fa re dira gore MR NKAWANA: …re le Batswana ba ba reetsang motho fa a gannwe ke batho, jaaka go buiwa, the next maikutlo a batho. Maikutlo a batho ke gore, go nne le a morning Honourable Molao o a mo tlhoma (appoint)? holistic approach to Constitutional review. Mo go tlang HONOURABLE MEMBER: Molale. e le ditokinyana, le fa e le seshabo, ke gore motho a go kgaolela setoki, a tlhabile kgomo, setoki se se felela mo MR NKAWANA: Molale, my apologies Honourable pateng, o bo o re o ka ya go direla bana seshabo, nnyaa. Member. Honourable Molale, o lala bosigo a kwala Ra re a gotlhe go tlisiwe. We have waited for 22 years on maina go robetswe. this Motion, why can we not wait for three months Rre Morwaeng, re kile ra ema 22 years? Batho ba ba supang HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. gore golo fa go na le maikutlo, ke dumalana le bone. MR NKAWANA: Fa o tsoga o fitlhela maina go setse

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batho ba tletse ka dikhansele, mme e le ba ba gannweng jaaka re solofeditswe, e bo e tlisitswe mo Palamente. Ke ke batho. Ke eng fa go nna jalo Mr Speaker? a leboga Mr Speaker.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR TSOGWANE): On a point of clarification Mr Speaker. PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT Thank you Honourable Member, go ne go sa re sepe (MR BALOPI): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo fela, e ne e setse jaanong e saletse kwa morago kgang tsa Palamente. Gongwe mma ke simolole fela ka go supa ya teng. Gongwe jaanong ke tlaa go busetsa thata kwa gore, ke eme nokeng Molao-kakanyetso o re o beilweng morago. O dirile sentle, ka gore o ne o ikutlwa gore ga o pele ke Tona Morwaeng. Kgang ya me ya ntlha fela ke a buisa Molale sentle, ntle ke dirise yone e. simolole ke re, Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, fa ke gola ke ne ke fitlhela batho ba bua ka lepolotiki, Rre Molale, ga a a tlhopha ope bosigo go robetswe, e kare ba bua ka motho yo o senang boammaaruri, yo kamoso ba bo ba tletse mo dikhanseleng. O ne a setse o nang le ditsholofetso tse a sa di direng, jaaka a ne a tsamaiso morago e e leng teng ya go tlhophiwa ga solofetsa batho ba a ba solofeditseng. Specially Elected Councillors. Jaanong, se mo ntshe ka leso legolo Motlotlegi Nkawana. Ke bona Molao-kakanyetso o, e le nngwe ya ditsela tse re ka itlhatswang leina mo Batswaneng go supa MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke gore fa o batla tlhopho mo go bone o na le keletso ya rile Vice President (VP) o a nthusa, jaanong o gana go go ba emela, o a bo o bua jalo ka boammaaruri e seng nthusa. sepe gape. Rotlhe ga go na ope wa rona fa, mongwe le mongwe yo o fano o tsene ka sekano le mmala wa MR SPEAKER: VP a re “Mogoa dira o a di ikgoela.” phathi ya gagwe, e bile gape o filwe thotloetso kana MR NKAWANA: Go ntse jalo. sponsorship ke Tautona kana moeteledipele wa phathi ya gagwe, ka fa tsamaisong ya molao wa ditlhopho tsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further Clarification Mr lefatshe la Botswana. Ka jalo, fa o setse o le fa, o bo o Speaker. setse o re wena o ne o ikemetse, le batho ba o neng o ba emetse ba a itse gore o ne o ikemetse o le nosi, e bile go MR NKAWANA: Tsamaiso e e neng e dirwa ke ne go bidiwa leina la gago le le nosi, ke wena o neng o Honourable Molale ka nako ya teng, ke tsamaiso e e duela madi o le nosi, nnyaa, o iphitlha ka monwana fa sokameng. Molao… Molale, sorry. pele ga batlhophi, ga o bue boammaaruri. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Gape se se molemo ka Tshutiso e kana Molao- MR NKAWANA: Kana ke gore ke mogwe wa gago, kakanyetso o ke gore, o re supegetsa boleng jwa rona re jaanong ke a lebala. le batho. O le motho santlha fela ke seriti le serodumo sa gago le go nna boammaaruri fa pele ga batho ba lefatshe HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. la Botswana. O ne o ile ditlhophong ngwaga e e fetileng ya 2019, o re o ya go ba emela, o simolola go itshupa MR NKAWANA: Tsamaiso e e neng e dirwa ke fa gore o motho yo o ntseng jang. Jaanong mongwe le Honourable Molale, ke e e sokameng. mongwe yo o nang le boikarabelo le boammaaruri, o HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Ke nna ka bo a ema molao o nokeng fela ka gore, ke rile ke ya kwano, se lebe go sele. go ema ka fa tlase ga phathi le sekano sa gore ke emela batho ka dikeletso tsa me tsa gore, tsa gore. Gona le gore MR SPEAKER: It is coming from across the aisle. go bo gotwe nnyaa, ke tsietsa Motswana, bone ba ne ba tsenela kwano fela ba ratela phiri ka matlhwao. Se se MR NKAWANA: Nako ya me e tšhaile Honourable diragalang ke gore, lona ba le sa dumalaneng le Tshutiso Members, ke digele jaana. e kana Molao-kakanyetso o, le raya Batswana le re ga HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a mpona, … le na boammaaruri. Le ba raya le re, fa le eme ka phathi (Laughter!)… ya gore, go ya go emela dikeletso tsa bone, le ne le sa ba bolelele boammaaruri. MR NKAWANA: Kopo ya rona re le ba Phikwe East ke gore, Molao-kakanyetso o, re se ka ra dumalana le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. one. O letlele melao yotlhe e e tlaa reng in three months

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MR BALOPI: Mathata ke eng gore o kgone gore o a leboga Mr Speaker, ke tlaa nna bofefo. Fa ope wa sale tsamaiso e o neng o e dumalana le batho ka mebala, rona yo o leng teng fa gompieno ka nako ya ipapatso ya kapari, dikano tsa gago le ka manifesto wa gago. Ke eng gagwe, a ne a ka bo a eme fa pele ga batlhophi a re nna o ka se ke o kgone gore o tswelele o ntse jalo, ba tle ba fa le mpona ke le fa, ga ke na sepe le phathi ya lona, e ye go go atlhola gape fa o boela kwa go bone, o tla o le bile five years yo ga ke le solofetse gore ke tlaa mo fetsa mo mmaleng one o… ke le Mopalamente wa UDC kana Domkrag, ke ka nna ka fuduga ka ya kwa ke yang teng, mme ntlhopheng. MR MMOLOTSI: On a point of clarification. Ke a O belaela gore batlhophi ba ka bo ba mo tsere jang ka leboga. Honourable Minister, kgang e o e buang eo, nako eo? ke a go utlwa. Go na le kgang e e bapileng le eo, e e reng batlhophi le bone kana ba na le ditshwanelo fa go MR BALOPI: Nkawana o ka bo a seyo fa, tota ba ka bo ba seyo fa. Mongwe le mongwe o ne a re ke kopa gore kobiwa Mopalamente wa bone. Fa Mopalamente le mo le ntlhophe ka sekano sa me, a bo a bua fa e le gore ke koba for example mo phathing, gone jaanong ke eng le wa Kopano, a re Kopano, wa Tsholetsa a re Tsholetsa, sena sepe le gore batlhophi bone kwa ba reng, ka gore wa Kgololo a re Kgololo. Mongwe le mongwe o ne a fa le kopa Mopalamente ga le rerise batlhophi, mme e le itshupa a ntse jalo, a apere mebala e metalanyana. Ga batlhophi ba ba mo tlhophileng, a sa tlhophiwa ke lona gona ope wa lona yo ke kileng ka bona being launched mo botsamaiseng. So, you should balance these things fa pele ga lona fa a sa apara mebala ya phathi e a neng up, le se ka la itebelela le le nosi. a re o e emetse. Ke gone jaaka o ne o ipaya batho pele MR BALOPI: Gongwe tlaa ke fete fela ka kgang e ka gore wena o mang. Jaanong fa o ka bo o ne o ba reile bofefo, ke go bontshe ditsamaiso tsa rona tsa phathi ya jaaka Rre Molao a ne a bua gore fa le sena go ntlhopha, ga Domkrag, rona. Ga go na motho yo o mo kobang le itse gore fa ke tsena kwa ke ya go ikakanyetsa, ke ka o sa rera, e bile o sa mo tsamaisa ka dikgato tse a tlaa nna ka tlola, o ka bo o se fa. Ke dumela gore rotlhe re ipelaetsang kana o tlaa itshupa gore se a se supediwang tshwanetse go tshephagala fa pele ga matlho a batho. gore o ka tswa a se dirile, ga a se dira. Kwa branches Maipato a gore ke eng re itlhaganeletse go dira Tshutiso or wards tsa rona, go na le tsamaiso e e teng ya go sala ya Molao-kakanyetso o re sa emele Constitution review, dikgang morago, tse motho a bong a di dirile, e bile le segolo dumalang le one gore ke boammaaruri ga re go ba lekodisa. Ba bo ba bona le bone ka tsamaiso e e a tshwanela go direla Batswana, for lack of a better teng, e e lolameng gore, motho yo o gongwe o fapogile word boferefere, kana re sia ka tlhopho ya bone. Re a mo tsamaisong ya rona ya phathi ka tsela nngwe, ka dumalana, mme re ye go o tsenya kwa. Go se ka gatwe jalo, o tshwanetse gore a seegelwe fa thoko. ga re dumalane le one ka gore o itlhaganetse. The principle is ga o ka ke wa sia ka tlhopho ya batho ba Mo molaong o, ga gona yo o ka go rontshang batlhophi ba go tlhophileng o le moemedi wa bone. Jaanong a ba ba go tlhophileng, fa o beelwa fa thoko ke phathi re lekeng go itlhatswa maina re le mapolotiki gore re ya gago go padile, ga o ntshiwe mo Palamenteng. Ke tshephagale fa pele ga batho. tsaya ke re Rre Morwaeng o re beile Tshutiso eo pele a akaretsa le go re supegetsa gore fa phathi e go iphetlhela Se sengwe ke stability. Ga o ka ke wa kgona go tsaya kana o e iphetlhela, ke gore o emele fa thoko o bo o ditshwetso tse di lolameng o sa itse gore o eme fa go tswelela o nna moemedi wa batho ba o ba emetseng. ntseng jang, a o itsetsepetse. It is very clear. Ga o ka ke Re mo Pusong ya batho ka batho, mme go raya gore ya re o ntse jaaka Rre Hukhihuama jaana, gatwe ke eng? sengwe le sengwe se re se dirang, re tshwanetse re bo Hikuyama? Mojapane… re beile batho pele, re tlhaloganya gore ke bone ba ba re HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… romileng fano gore re tle go emela dikeletso tsa bone. Ba le ntseng le bua gore kwa bokete semangmang o ne a MR BALOPI: Ee, o tshwana le Rre Hikuama jaana, tlhophilwe, mo nakong e e tlang go bo go tlhophiwa ba batho fa ba go reeditse o le kwa… sele, e a bo e ntse e le batho ba ba tsayang ditshwetso tsa gore mo bogompienong, ga re na go tlhopha phathi ya MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, if it is your gore, re ya go tlhopha e sele. colleague representing Ngami, then you are talking about Honourable Hikuama! Hikuama! MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Clarification. Ke a leboga Honourable, ke MR BALOPI: I am sorry. Honourable Hikuama, fa ba

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ka utlwa o bua ka Gaborone North thata o le kwano, ba bopaganeng go tswa Goo Lowe fa e sale ditlhopho di ya go felela ba go botsa gore ka gore re go romile gore simologa, lona le kopanetse megopolo e e farologaneng o ye go re buelela re le batho ba Ngami, ke eng jaanong le diphathi tse di farologaneng, gongwe le sireletsa gone o gaketse ka Gaborone North? gore phathi nngwe e kgona go tswelela dominating ka koo. Re ntse re amogela batho ka kwa go rona, e bile Molao o gape Tona o o neng o o sutisa, e ka re o ka bo re ntse re amogela gore batho ba ka tswa mo go rona o tsentse gore fa o le motho o kile wa emela ditlhopho ka fa tsamaiso e ntseng ka teng. Jaanong ra re, kgang golo gongwe, o bo o di fenya, o bo o ema koo gangwe ga se rona, ke batho ba ba re romileng. Fa o romilwe kana gabedi, e se ka ya re fa o jewa gone koo gape, o Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, o busa change bo o sia o ya bokone jwa lefatshe la Botswana jaanong le se o se romilweng, ga o sie ka madi a batho ba bo ba o ya go simolola sesha, tumalano e le gore o tshaba gore sala ba gakgametse gore tse ba neng ba go di romile di kwa o neng o le teng jaanong ba setse ba go tlhobogile, kae, e bile o boa ka eng. o batla gore o tsamae o tlhobogiwa lefatshe le lotlhe. Se setona ke gore, re tshwanetse re nne boammaaruri, re Ka jalo ema nokeng ka botlalo Molao-kakanyetso o swele dikano tsa rona… gore o tshele, e bile o diragadiwe. Ke a leboga.

MR HIKUAMA: Clarification. Ke a leboga MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, if nobody Honourable Minister. Ke setse ke na le interest thata mo stands up, I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to go ya leloko le le kobilweng. Ka gore le le kobile, ke respond to the debate. eng Molao-kakanyetso o sa letlelele gore a ye go tsena kwa a ka amogelwang teng? Fa le re a nne isolated, mo MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Ke a leboga Mr sekgweng fela a sa bue le ope, ke eng fa le rialo, le sa mo Speaker. Ke batla go simolola fela ka go tlhamalatsa tlogele gore a tsene kwa go ba ba tlaa mo amogelang, ba dikgang dingwe Mr Speaker. Ke leloko la BCP under ba senang bothata le ene? the UDC yo o senang le fa e le keletso epe ya go emela boeteledipele jwa BCP. Ke ne ke reeditse mokaunyana o MR BALOPI: Ke tsaya gore eo ga se kgang ka gore fa mongwe a ntse a bua fa a re ke batla boeteledipele kwa re le mo Palamenteng mo, o a itse e bile le setse le akola BCP. Ga go a nna jalo… bangwe le dingwe tse di diragalang mo Palamenteng. O kgona go nna moDomkrag, a bo a tlhopha le lona, MR SPEAKER: Who is mokaunyana in Parliament? kana a tsaya tshwetso ya gore ga a dumalane le lona, MR KAPINGA: Honourable Lelatisitswe Setlhomo! o tsamaya le rona. Se ke se buang ke gore, wena o le Le ene ga a na bothata le fa ke mmitsa mokaunyana. Mopalamente o tlaabo o ntse o le gone fa o emetse dikeletso tsa batho ba ba go tlhophileng, mme o utlwa MR SPEAKER: Standing Order 58.11 calls for gore kelelelo le megopolo e ya kwa kae e e dumalanang decorum of the House. le batho ba ba go tlhophileng, e re fa go tlhophiwa o bo o tsamaya le yone, ga go na molato. MR KAPINGA: Tanki Mr Speaker. Ke ema jaana ke batla go latlhela ka bokhutshwane fela mo kgannyeng e. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Mo molaong gatwe fa o tla kwa court go itsheka, o tle ka diatla tse di phepa. Fa o tlisa le molao o o ntseng jaana, MR BALOPI: Ka re the Member will be crossing the you should come with clean hands. Ka Setswana gape se floor, jaanong se ke se buang ke gore, your participation bo se re, ‘o se bone tholwana borethe, teng ga yone go a as a Member of Parliament will continue to exist. baba.’ Fa o sa tlhokomele, fa o sa ba itse bo Honourable Ke dumalana le Molao-kakanyetso o ka pelo yotlhe ka Morwaeng, o ka ithaya wa re gongwe ba tlisa selo se gore lefatshe le re lebile, ba bone batho ba ba nang le sentle fa pele ga gago. Fa o le botlhale sentle, o tlaa itse boammaaruri le ba ba tlileng go sia ka ditlhopho tsa gore sengwe se teng ka fa teng se se babang. Setswana bone, e bile ba eletsa go dira jalo. Ka ke tsaya gore ga se sengwe sa re, ‘mashi ke tswa thobeng ke le phepa, re na go boelela ditlhopho pele ga 2024, ba tlaa tla ba le selabe se tla le motsaya kgamelo.’ bolelela gore o ne o sa dumalane le molao o gore e tle Fa e le gore maikutlo a a sale a tsewa 22 years ago, e re re sena go go tsenya, o bo o kgona go tlolela kwa o naare selo se se ntse se elametswe eng ka ga se lee? E batlang teng. ntse e elametsweng eng kgang e dingwaga di le masome Sa bofelo, re a itse gore rona re phathi e nngwefela e e a mabedi le bobedi? Mashi fa o a gama mo lesakeng,

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o bo o a baya fa, dikgomo di tsosa lerole, a tsenwa ke maswe thata. I wonder what is it that has cleaned you so lerole a nna leswe. Mashi ao ga ke ka ke ka a nwa. Ka quickly that you may assume you have a higher moral Sengwato go na le sengwe gatwe go shema. standing than us on this issue. The leader of the BDP malobanyana fela jaana, o ne a ikana publicly gore o HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee, re a shema. tlile to recruit more opposition party members gore di MR KAPINGA: Ee, ka Sengwato go na le go shema. bo di phutlhame. Ke a ipotsa gore motho yoo ke ene a Fa motho a go tlisetsa dijo ka plate e e seng sekono, le ka tlang fa a re ke ene the defender of democracy. Ga wena o mo lebile le mo diatleng le mo sefatlhegong sa se ene! No qualification and authority at all gore o ka gagwe gore motho yo ga a sekono, o kgona go gana dijo tla fa a bo a re nnyaa, ke nna ke ka buang ka democracy tseo. mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ene yo e neng a ikana gore o batla go phutlhamisa opposition. Ga a ka ke! It can HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… never happen.

MR KAPINGA: Ke goletse kwa Mahalapye ntate. It is A good principle like this law on floor crossing can my second home if you did not know. be used for evil. Ga ke a golela fela mo Botswana, ke tsamaile mo ke di bonye. Kwa lefatsheng lengwe kwa go HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible) … nang le ditsala tsa lona teng, tse disha tse le di boneng, MR KAPINGA: Ga go na go koloba. It is just a fact o teng molao wa floor crossing. What they do is that, gore ke goletse kwa Mahalapye. Jaanong fa motho a ba tsenya kgotlhang le dintwa fa gare ga diphathi tsa ntlisetsa dijo le fa di ka nna di ntle jang, fa diatla tsa kganetso. Ba dirisa sengwe le sengwe at their disposal; gagwe di se sekono, ke kgona go di gana ke re nnyaa, e a ke intelligence ya bone, a ke madi, a ke to corrupt seng tse. Ke gore go utlwisa botlhok,o e bile go tlhabisa who are susceptible mo opposition, ba ba corrupt gore ditlhong, go swabisa nko go feta molomo gore molao go tsoge dintwa tse di seng kana sepe, ba bangwe ba bo o o bo tlisiwa ke Honourable Morwaeng who has ba re a tswa mo phathing e, jaanong re e change ga e sa travelled full circle. O bo o ipotsa gore what gives him tlhola e le … ga ke ka ke ka bua leina ka gore le tloga le the moral right ya gore ke ene a ka tlisang molao o o re ke se ka ka bua ka batho ba ba seyong fa. Fela fa ba tshwanang le o. dira jalo gatwe le latlhegelwa ke seats tsa lona ka gore le dule mo phathing e e le tsentseng mo Palamenteng. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Fa ba sena go dira jalo, ka gore this is Africa, fa by- MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought. elections di tshwanetse gore di bidiwe, ba di gata fela ka gore se ba se batlang ke to weaken opposition. I am MR KAPINGA: Later date Mr SG. talking about your friends. O se bone tholwana borethe teng ga yone go a baba. Show me your friends and I will HONOURABLE MEMBERS: … (Laughter!) … tell your character. E tlaa re kamoso le sena go tsenya MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, there is nothing kgotlhang fa gare ga rona fa jaaka le leka go e tsenya, le like that, it is either denied or agreed to, not later date. re ke batla go emela Botswana Congress Party (BCP), hey! go itaya go reng, go itaya go reng. Fela fa mongwe MR KAPINGA: Yes, Mr Speaker. … (Laughter!) … wa rona a re nnyaa, ga ke sa tlhola ke utlwana le phathi Mo Bible… ele, le bo le nna six months le sa bitse by-election, to weaken the opposition. Le tsoga le reka ba le ka kgonang HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. go ba reka fa gore go nne le insurrection mo opposition MR KAPINGA: Later my brother. Mo Bible go na go bo gotwe by-election. le story sa ga Saul yo o neng a fetoga a nna Paul, go HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le rekiwa motlhofo go diragetse sengwe se bidiwa the damascene moments, riana? se se neng sa dira gore a lebe lefatshe ka matlho a a fetogileng. I wonder why the damascene moment for MR KAPINGA: Ga ke rekege. the BDP is. Go diragetse eng sa gore le lemoge gore kgang e le sa bolong go gata dingwaga di le masome a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: … (Murmurs) … mabedi le bobedi, jaanong all of a sudden it has become MR KAPINGA: Wa utlwa monna wa gaetsho? E rile so urgent, e bile you think you have the moral authority ke campaign kwa Okavango, slogan sa me se ne se re to point at us and try and vilify us gore re batho ba ba

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Tu Huthe Okavango, a re buseng Okavango wa rona yo o neng a utswilwe mo diatleng tsa batho go dirisiwa go reka le tsietso, moemedi wa batho a bo a tsewa a isiwa go sele. Ke bo ke raya batho kwa Okavango ke re Tu Huthe, a re buseng Okavango wa rona. Ke leboga batho ba Okavango gore ba tla emela…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought.

MR KAPINGA: It is not allowed Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Denied?

MR KAPINGA: Yes. Ke lebogele batho ba Okavango gore ba bo ba sa emela Tshutiso e e tshwanang le e e dirwang ke motho le phathi which is tainted. Ba bo ba tsaya tshwetso ka bo bone gore they will send a very clear message batho ba Okavango gore fa e ka re re go tlhophile o bo sia ka tlhopho ya rona, re tlaa go ruta batho.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: … (Laughter!) …

MR KAPINGA: Ga ba tlhoke molao o o tlang ka lona ba e leng gore your reputation is very dubious when it comes to respect for the vote of the people. Lona ba le neng le utswa baemedi ba batho ka gore it served your interest at that time. You found nothing wrong with it, but now when the time is changing against you, you think you have the authority to come and lecture to us. Like my elder brother was doing this morning Honourable Autlwetse, you have no right to lecture us on this issue because your party is very much tainted…

MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Member for Okavango, on that point of lecturing on taintedness, as it is now six o’clock, I shall now call upon the Honourable Leader of the House to move a Motion of Adjournment.

MOTION

ADJOURNMENT

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, morago ga go ema ka dinao, re emela ditshwanelo tsa motlhophi, ke tlaa kopa gore Ntlo e e ye kwa bokhutlong.

Question put and agreed to.

The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:00 p.m. until Wednesday 9th December, 2020 at 2:00 p.m.

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HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa, Ms M. Madubeko

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi, Mr K. Rebaisakae

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