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DISCLAIMER Uno cial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an uno cial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The nal edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Mabuse M. Pule, MP. (Mochudi East)

Clerk of the National Assembly - Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel - Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) - Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. (Molepolole South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. (Mogoditshane) - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Development Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

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RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected Hon. M. Reatile, MP. Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-Gweta Hon. S. J. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. Thamaga-Kumakwane Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of Opposition) Maun West Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. (Opposition Whip) Tonota Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP Mahalapye East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. K. C. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. Shoshong Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. Ghanzi South Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South (Independent Member of Parliament) Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West TABLE OF CONTENTS THE THIRD MEETING OF THE FIRST SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 15TH SEPTEMBER, 2020

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SPEAKER’S REMARKS...... 1

BUSINESS MOTION...... 2

Authorisation of Increase of the Bond Issuance Programme Motion (Resumed Debate)...... 3-18, 27-46 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 19-26

QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE...... 26

PRESENTATION OF A GOVERNMENT BILL National Arts Council of Botswana Bill, 2020 (No. 19 of 2020) First Reading...... 47 Motion to Proceed on a Bill as a Matter of Urgency...... 47-53 Second Reading...... 54-60

TABLING OF PAPERS National Energy Policy...... 27

Minerals Policy...... 27

Tuesday 15th September, 2020 SPEAKER’S REMARKS

Tuesday 15th September, 2020 MR BOKO: Tanki Mr Speaker.

THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. MR SPEAKER: I have already been notified about the very same issue coming to request the Minister to (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) inform the House and the nation about the chicks, either P R A Y E R S through a question or whatever. So e tlaa tla.

* * * * HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… SPEAKER’S REMARKS MR SPEAKER: …(Laughter!)… Fortunately, Minister o teng. I have heard that, do not worry, it is going to MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Order! Order! come. Everybody is worried about it, even me, fa nama Honourable Members, good morning. Let us start our ya koko e tlhaela rona ba bangwe re tlaa ja eng. business of today with presentation of a Government Bill, Honourable Minister of Youth Empowerment, First Reading Sport and Culture Development… PRESENTATION OF A GOVERNMENT BILL MR BOKO: Procedure. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke NATIONAL ARTS COUNCIL OF BOTSWANA ne ke re gongwe le mphe motsotso ke fetise kgang e BILL, 2020 (NO. 19 OF 2020) e fa pele ga matlho a lona. Ke ka itumela thata fa le ka ntheetsa, gongwe o kile wa feta mo dikgannyeng tse ke (Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture batlang go di bua, ke motsotso fela o le mongwefela. Development)

MR SPEAKER: Ga ke itse gore o bua ka ga eng. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.

MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker, le tlaa… …Silence… MR SPEAKER: Ka re o bua ka ga eng? Before I give MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, I think anything, I have to understand what you are talking there is a problem and I can see why go ne go na le about. mathatanyana. The actual presentation copy has not MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, mo been given to the Minister, so he cannot present it in letsatsing le le fetileng, re ne ra utlwa kopo e tswa kwa Parliament, it is for another day. go honourable… …Silence… MR SPEAKER: When you speak facing that side, HONOURABLE MEMBER: I want to raise a point nothing comes through. of procedure. MR BOKO: My apologies Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, mo HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… letsatsing le le fetileng, that is yesterday, re ne ra utlwa selelo se se neng se lelwa ke Honourable Kekgonegile, …Silence… se lelwa ke Batswana botlhe ka kakaretso Mr Speaker. Ke bua se ka gore nngwe ya maikarabelo a rona re le MR SPEAKER: There was a problem because in terms Palamente ke go reetsa dilelo tsa Batswana kwa ntle, of the Standing Orders, the Minister presents the copy ga reng ga go dira melao ya lefatshe leno. Ke ne ke which is then read for the House for the first time. Now solofetse gore gongwe mo letsatsing la gompieno kana unfortunately, something has not gone right, his copy is la maabane, re ka bo re utlwile sengwe se tswa kwa go not available to him to present to the House. Tona wa Agriculture kana Mothusi wa gagwe, ka gore HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Batswana Mr Speaker, ba a lela ka day-old chicks gore ga ba sa tlhole ba di bona mo nakong ya gompieno. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND Bangwe ba leka ka bojotlhe gore ba di bone mme ba WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Procedure. setse ba filwe to book for two months, e bo e le gone ba Thank you Mr Speaker. Kana le the officials ga ke di ka di bonang. Go na le tlhakatlhakano, this is a crisis… bone ka fa.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, ke go utlwile. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)...

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MR LELATISITSWE: Ke ne ke re the officials tsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re ga a tshola sepe. ministry le tsone go lebega di seyo. MR KEORAPETSE: Ah! Go raya gore this Bill is not HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… urgent then. Let us forget about it. Re tlaa e bona ka December. MR SPEAKER: Ntsha selo seo o bue sentle, re go utlwe. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Speaker, le the officials …Silence… go lebega di seyo. It would be procedural ka gore le MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, Minister o supa fa ba ne ba tsaya gore this thing is for we were supposed to go to the Second Reading of the 2 o’ clock. Gongwe it can be deferred, go bo go tsena Environmental Assessment (Amendment) Bill, 2020 e nngwe. (No. 13 of 2020), but I understand the Leader of the MR SPEAKER: O bua jang ne wena? House has a Motion relating to the order of how we take the business of today’s Order Paper. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… BUSINESS MOTION HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr Speaker. LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker for offering me this opportunity HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kana golo mo fa to move a Motion to change the order of today’s gongwe… business on the Order Paper. Mr Speaker, I beg to move MR SPEAKER: Bonang… in terms of Standing Order 30.2 for a re-arrangement of the business on today’s Order Paper, that we first deal HONOURABLE MEMBER: That is procedure. with the Motion on Authorisation of Increase of the Bond Issuance Programme followed by the National MR SPEAKER: Bonang, I said the copy is not available Arts Council of Botswana Bill, 2020 (No. 19 of 2020). I to the Minister right now. In terms of our procedures, thank you Mr Speaker. I beg to move. when Parliament meets again at two, the Minister can still present… MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Go a lebega gore this is our HONOURABLE MEMBER: Let me help you. last week, mme the Order Paper is becoming heavy MR SPEAKER: …when he has a copy. with Government Business and most of the things that are coming are weighty and need our utmost attention. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Let me help you. Above all Mr Speaker, we have not consulted our MR SPEAKER: O nthusa ka eng? constituents on most of the matters that are brought by Government for approval by Parliament. My view is that MR KEORAPETSE: Procedure. The Minister has we need to prioritise particularly two important issues, indicated earlier about the need to move with this on one being the Authorisation of Increase of the Bond urgency. I think what he can do, I believe he has his own Issuance Programme and the Supplementary Estimates, copy, he can request that the Bill be read a first time. I think if we do not dispose them of, the skies will fall, Right? Then present to you that copy, the one he has. so to speak. But on the others, I appeal to the leader of Government Business and indeed the Government, MR SPEAKER: He does not have a copy. O e bone? to be amenable to allow Parliament to deal with those MR KEORAPETSE: Rra. issues in the next session, the First Meeting. Ke a kopa ka tsweetswee Mr Speaker. Thank you. MR SPEAKER: Have you seen the copy? I have not MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, seen it and I think he does not have a copy. I think Honourable Keorapetse is agreeing with the MR KEORAPETSE: No, he is nodding, I am looking Leader of the House that we should dispose of the Bond at him. issue and if possible, the Supplementary Estimates if they do come. As far as the issue of the National Arts MR SPEAKER: O bua eng tota? Council of Botswana Bill is concerned, I think we

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can, unless of course the Leader of the House and the just expressed, Members are aware that the Finance House agrees with you that it be dropped, we could and Estimates Committee presented its report to this deal with it when it next comes up, maybe this morning Parliament yesterday, the essence of which was to or this afternoon. As I have indicated, from the Order recommend to Parliament to approve the increase of Paper, that Bill is not before the House, it has not been the Bond Programme from P15 billion to P30 billion. presented so when it is, you can raise that issue. I know In that report Honourable Speaker, we have expressed what you are saying, that the Motion which I asked the a number of points articulating why we support the House if agreed to, deals with the Bond and the Arts increase of the Bond Programme and at the same Council Bill which has not been presented, although time expressed some areas that we view important be it is on the Order Paper. I think we can easily do that, considered going forward as areas of improvement. these things …(Inaudible)…When it does come, I will Honourable Speaker, because I have presented the definitely give you the opportunity to raise the issue report, I will not take too long to give a view today, but I of whether we should deal with the Bill, then we can would just like to highlight some of the points that have dispose the Arts Council Bill. come out and have been expressed in that report. Question put and agreed to. Honourable Speaker, the departing point for that report is the understanding that our economy is undergoing AUTHORISATION OF INCREASE OF an unprecedented period in our lives imposed by THE BOND ISSUANCE PROGRAMME COVID-19, which has brought with it a big impact Motion on the economy relating to decreased revenues in our Government coffers. Diamond and tourism revenues (Resumed Debate) have declined, while at the same time the needs of our communities have continued, and if anything, MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, they have increased. Needs that relate to health care in the debate is resuming. I am not sure who was on the terms of hospitals; like the Kanye one as an example, floor… infrastructure development; like the Kgomokasitwa road HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… for example, and needs that relate to education in terms of empowering our educational institutions to be able LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR to continue to educate our children even if COVID-19 SALESHANDO): Procedure. Mr Speaker fa o was to be exacerbated. Those needs continue, and if gakologelwa, Tona o ne a bega kgang e a bo a re e tlaa ya anything, they have increased. kwa Komiting ya Finance and Estimates. Ke tsaya gore Honourable Speaker, our country has over the years tsela e e tlhamaletseng ke gore gongwe Modulasetilo wa maintained a surplus budget, and it has become apparent Komiti eo e nne ene wa ntlha go akgela gore ba bone that we are entering an uncharted territory of budgets eng e bile ba gakolola eng, e bo e le gone re ka tsenang deficits. Traditional revenue streams are not performing mo kgannyeng. optimally, and the magnitude of COVID-19 pandemic is MR SPEAKER: That is why I was saying, I wanted to unprecedented on the little resources that are available see if there was anybody who was on the floor when we to our country. As these resources become constrained, got in the cantankerous situation of the lights and other it is in our best interest to be financially prudent as our things. country is known for its financial prudency, and to ensure that we can achieve more with less. The Committee HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… is of the view that while there is need for increasing borrowing, there is uncertainty on how quick and the MR SPEAKER: No, the Chairman, Honourable time it will take for the economy to recover, and this Letsholo had already presented his report which you may impact on our ability to pay back, and consequently then asked that you be allowed to read it overnight, so results in adverse credit ratings or reduced ability to that you can then come back and debate. The overnight raise financing internationally. It is therefore, important is today. Honourable Letsholo! Honourable Speaker for the Ministry of Finance and CHAIRPERSON OF THE FINANCE AND Economic Development to also help us with a potential ESTIMATES COMMITTEE (MR LETSHOLO): model for how the economy will perform going forward Thank you very much Honourable Speaker. As you under the different scenarios that relate to COVID-19.

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This will allow Government and the Central Bank in support of the Motion to authorise an increase of the to think through the potential solutions, and design bond issuance programme from the current P15 billion mitigants for the negative economic impact. to P30 billion.

Honourable Speaker, the Committee also notes the As alluded to earlier Mr Speaker, Botswana is a very adherence to the limits set for Government debt as prudent and conservative debt management strategy. provided for within the Stock, Bonds and Treasury Bills This has yielded positive results in terms of sustainable Act, and commends the ministry and Government for debt levels, but has also created limitations with respect such prudence for having adhered to those limits. We to the overall development of the domestic bond market also still encourage them to look into sustainable ways in its inadequacy to support National Development Plan to maintain a reduced Government debt and to avoid (NDP) 11. Notwithstanding that, episodes such as the deficit to safeguard the development needs of future global financial crisis of 2008/2009 and pandemics generations. Our view is that we should still leave such as COVID-19 have demonstrated that in global room for future generations to incur their own debt if markets, liquidities when they dry up, it becomes it is necessary. This therefore, should accordingly be expensive to access funding. Against this background, complemented by effective delivery of the national Government resorts to the local bond market to raise budget that yields more for the economy. We cannot funding, but in the absence of a well-developed local understate the world’s experience from the global bond market, it is very expensive and almost impossible financial crisis of 2007 to 2009, that it was Government to attain domestic funding. This therefore, emphasises through taxpayers’ monies that rescued banks and the priority to consistently revise our debt management corporates. It is therefore, imperative that financial strategy, bond issuance programmes, and consistently prudence is maintained by Government, otherwise, the issue more bonds to develop a domestic bond market consequence of a doom-loop is inevitable, resulting from that will support future borrowing requirements. local banks and corporates buying home grown severance debt as it is proposed in this context. If Government fails Mr Speaker, information from Bank of Botswana to pay, then there is potential for banking and corporate suggests that Botswana is one of the smallest and insolvency, leading to a sovereign crisis and undesirable underdeveloped domestic markets across the Southern bailouts from institutions such as the International African Development Community (SADC) region. Monetary Fund (IMF) with burdensome conditions. This also is with respect to the size of the Government Bond Market, the tenures of the issuances, and the Honourable Speaker, just to conclude my quick variety of bond instruments in issuance; you know we presentation, given the liquidity within the domestic have got a couple of them; like the retail savings bonds, capital markets, the increase in the domestic bond limit infrastructure bonds, green and social bonds, as well as will serve as a catalyst in stimulating the domestic capital liquidity and trading levels. market. That is why as a Committee, we are impressed with the ministry that in this instance, the ministry has Often countries with low levels of domestic debt tend to gone to the local market versus going to the foreign get trapped in the comfort of over-reliance in external market. However, the covet is that we urge the ministry debt; which is known as the original sin; e seng ya ga to still implement the same rigor of implementation Adam. This poses substantial risks to the economy and guidelines that it should have applied if the funding had increases vulnerabilities to global and external shocks. been sourced from external financing institutions. It is indeed a welcome development that Government Mr Speaker, in conclusion, I wish to confirm to this is looking to prioritise deepening the domestic bond Honourable House that we are in support of the market with a view to stimulate borrowings by state- ministry’s request or Motion to increase the bond from owned enterprises; I am here looking at bo Botswana P15 billion to P30 billion. I thank you. Power Corporation (BPC) which I want them to really stay on their own and be away from Government monies, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… and be private by strengthening the risk free curve.

MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN Mr Speaker, the revised programme will increase TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR the supply of bonds to the domestic bond market and MOAGI): Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, I stand curb the necessity for Botswana investors; that is your

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Pension Funds mainly, to export the majority of their Botswana and the Ministry of Finance and Economic long term savings to foreign countries. We want that Development are working on projects that are aimed money to play here in our local economy. In 2019, at improving liquidity, transparency, information Botswana’s total Pension Fund assets stood at P92 dissemination, transaction costs, investor access and billion, and 60 per cent or nearly 61 per cent of that, overall attractiveness of the local bond market to was invested offshore, with only 39 per cent invested international investors. Not only does this programme onshore. The allocation supports the notion that there address Government financial requirements, but it also is capacity by local investors to absorb more bond builds a vibrant and sustainable debt market that can issuances by Government. Thus, it necessitates the need support future financial requirements by organisations to raise the programme to P30 billion. originally dependant on Government subventions as I stated Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) earlier and Information for Botswana Stock Exchange (BSE) of course by the private sector. annual report of 2019 indicates that there are more than 94 000 investors, 86 000 of whom are Botswana or local Therefore, Mr Speaker, I really want to buttress this individuals here. Against this backdrop, Government point by supporting this noble development to ensure should utilise the increased programme to tap into this that we relief our foreign reserves of the pressure to investor base to promote a savings and investment finance the budget deficits in the development projects. culture by issuing retail savings bonds. These are Already the significant drawdowns on the Government excellent initiatives that have mobilised savings and investment account leaves our monitory policy addressed market access and poverty levels in countries vulnerable and almost defenceless against unexpected such as South Africa, Kenya and Nigeria. We know of external economic shocks like this COVID-19. I the Kenya’s flagship project of M-Akiba Bond which therefore submit in support of this Motion. I thank you uses cell phones and mobile money. Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, there are projects under my ministry, and MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND of course other ministries, as well as under NDP 11 INDUSTRY (MS SERAME): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. and Vision 2036 which espouse ideals of Botswana’s Ke a dumedisa Honourable Members. Ke ema jaana le Sustainable Development Goals (SGDs) roadmap, nna go ema nokeng kopo e ya Ministry of Finance, ya and the 2030 Agenda for sustainable development. On go oketsa limit ya the bonds. Ka Setswana re ka re madi that note, Government must modernise its approach to a a ka adimiwang from P15 to P30 billion. Ke simolole issuing bonds, by issuing such variations as infrastructure ka go lemoga go tsiboga ga Lephata la tsa Madi jaaka bonds; the likes of the construction of Mmamabula/ ba re eteletse pele. Re dira jaana re tsibogela seemo se Lephalale road way and other solar projects. re leng mo go sone ka ntata ya bolwetse jo. Re ne ra iphitlhela re le mo seemong se e leng gore letseno la We must also issue green and social bonds to specifically rona le ile kwa tlase. Madi a Puso e nang le one go a support initiatives in the green technology, the likes dirisa go tlisa ditlhabololo, ga a sa tlhole a le teng. Le of your wind power technologies, solar technologies one a a setseng a le kwa mafatsheng, a re etleng re re etcetera. This can further go into other areas like health go na le madi mangwe kwa mafatsheng mangwe, a ile care, education and employment generation. kwa tlase thata. Go botlhokwa jaaka re ne re bua maloba In addition, Government must use this opportunity when we approved the Mid-Term Review of National to stimulate the Public Private Partnerships (PPPs) Development Plan (NDP) 11. Go raya gore re lebelele framework and partner with private sectors to fund the gore ditlhabololo tsa rona re ka di dira ka tsela e e ntseng likes of projects tsa boTshele Fuel Storage and solar jang. Re ka ya go bona kae letseno gore re tsweledise projects. Therefore, Mr Speaker, it gives me comfort that ditlhabololo tsa rona. Ke leboge gore, ke sengwe se re the revised programme will go a long way in addressing se dirang, se se tsweledisang se re neng re se dumalana the inadequacies and inefficiencies of the domestic maloba re le Palamente. bond market to tap into and utilise the excess capacity Se sengwe se ke se lebogelang ke gore, fa re bua in our market in terms of savings and infrastructure gantsi mo Botswana re re, go na le madi a le mantsi development respectively. mo Botswana, mangwe a one a mo Pension Funds mme It is public knowledge that the Botswana Stock bokete jwa madi ao, a dira ditlhabololo kwa ntle ga Exchange (BSE) and its stakeholders such as Bank of lefatshe la Botswana. Se se tlaabo se re fa tshono ya gore

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re lebelele mo Botswana. Re lebelele ba Pension Funds, mehameng e mengwe e, mo gotweng switch auctions. makalana a mangwe le organisations tse dingwe tse di Ra kgona go lebelela gore mme auctions tsa rona re ka nang le madi a a ka re thusang go tlhabolola lefatshe le. di dira jang gore le bone e le ba mohama o, ba bone Re ithuse go dira ditlhabololo re le mo Botswana. Jalo gore a re ka kgona to switch tse dingwe gore re fetole he, re ntse re bona madi a Pension Fund le a mangwe a maturity period le tse di tsamaelanang le tsone jalo. ya kwa ntle ka bokete, jaanong le bone ba tlaabo ba na le tshono ya to invest mo Botswana. Ba thusa Goromente Ka bokhutshwane, ke sa batle go tsaya lebaka le le kalo, go tsweledisa ditlhabololo jaaka re ntse re buisana. Se ke dumela gore rotlhe jaaka re ema fa, re tlaabo re ema se tlaa thusa gape our capital market mo Botswana gore kopo e ya ga Minister nokeng. Go botlhokwa gore rotlhe o tlhabologe le go feta fa o neng o ntse o le teng. Re re e eme nokeng, re bo re tlhalosa se re se bonang. Ga ke lemoga gore kwa bogologolong, re ne re se na capital batle go tsaya nako e telele ka ke dumela gore rotlhe ke market gotlhelele, mme ra simolola ka a bond issuance se re se dumalanang. Fa re ka se ka ra dira jaana, go ka programme. Ke yone e re ntseng re berekela mo go P15 nna bokete gore go ya kwa pele, itsholelo ya rona re ya billion. Jaaka gompieno re e isa kwa go P30 billion, e go e tshegetsa jang. Ditlhabololo tse re neng re ntse re tlaa re thusa go tswelela le go feta. di fetisa maloba tse di mo NDP 11 Mid-Term Review, re ya go di diragatsa jang fa re ka se ka ra neela Minister E re fa go ntse jalo, go na le dintlha dingwe tse ke reng tshono ya go bona madi a go di tsweledisa. Dingwe tsa Honourable Minister, like we will be implementing ditlhabololo re ne re dumalana gore di botlhokwa thata, bond issuance programme e, go botlhokwa gore re di e bile re tshwanetse re fetele kwa pele. lebelele. Ke dumela gore mo implementation, re tlaabo re ntse re buisana thata le batsayakarolo botlhe mo Minister, ke dumela gore e tlaare mo nakong e e yang teng ga mohama o wa tsa madi le capital market jalo. kwa pele, go se na Corona kana any other pandemic, Tsotlhe tse re di dirang, re tswelele from time to time re re tlaa tswelela from time to time, re bona gore re ka tlhabolola le go tokafatsa ditirisano tseo. dira jang programme ya rona ya bond issuance re le Goromente. Re tswelele to develop further, the capital Sengwe se mohama o ba a tle ba se bue ke gore, le le market gore ditlhabololo tsotlhe tse di tlang, di nne di tla Goromente, nako e nngwe le na le go bua gore le tlaa ka bofefo go na le jaaka re dira gompieno. Ka mafoko a batla bonds tsa madi a a kana mme le re bolelela go a kalo Mr Speaker, ke ema nokeng kopo ya ga Minister setse nako e khutshwane. A ga go ka ke ga kgonega of Finance. Thank you. gore le nne le a calendar of auctions ya ga Goromente, e re tlaabo re e itse re le in the financial capital market, MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Ke a go gore mme programme ya ga Goromente e ntse jaana. leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Mma Mo ngwageng o, ba tlaa tla ka kgwedi ya March or ke simolole go supa gore ngwaga o o fetileng ka 2019 September. Le bone batle ba ipaakanye, ba baakanye fa re ya ditlhophong, mo Manifesto wa Umbrella investments le dipoelo tsa bone ka gore le bone go tlaare for Democratic Change (UDC), fa re buang teng ka ba nne fa fatshe, ba lebelele dilo tse tsotlhe. itsholelo, re ne re bua gore re batla go aga ditsela tsa mela e mentsi ya A1, go tswa Ramatlabama go ya Se sengwe se ba a tle ba se lebelele ke gore, re tlaabo Ramokgwebana. Re batla go aga diporo tsa diterena re ntsha bonds ya dingwaga tse pedi, five, 10 le 15. Re go gokaganya metse e e sa gokaganang. Potso ya gore lebelele gore, a re ka se ka ra kgona go oketsa dingwaga le ya go tsaya kae madi, re ne re supa mo manifesto tseo, kana the points in the yield curve tsa the bonds gore re batla go fetola molao. Re kgone go dirisa madi tsa rona gore they mature jang. Fa re ka oketsa dinako a a teng kwano, a a tshwanang le a a tshotsweng ke ba tse, le bone go ka ba thusa e le mohama o o dirang ka life insurance industries le Pension Fund. Ba party ya tsa madi. Dipoelo tsa bone e nne tse di tsamayang ka Domkrag ba ne ba re, “ga le bolele ruri, ga go na madi tsela e e ntseng jalo. Di tsamaya ka dingwaga ka go ao.” Re fa. Domkrag e re kopa gore mogopolo ole wa farologana ga tsone, ka bokete jo bo kalo. Ba dumela UDC wa gore go ka adimiwa madi mo gae, re ne re re gore ba tlaabo ba sa lebelela bokete jwa the bonds gore dumalanang le rona. di ya to mature after 15 years kana 10 years, mme le ka lebelela tse tsotlhe lwa ba la di dira. Se sengwe ke go HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… bona gore, a mme go possible gore e re fa re ntshitse bond re le Puso, re re e ya to mature in two years kana MR SALESHANDO: Jaanong, Batswana ba tlaa re itse five years, a re ka se ka ra lebelela tse di diragalang mo gore re ne re ntse re bua kgang eo fa go iwa ditlhophong.

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Ke batla go tlhalosa sengwe pele ga ke tsena fa ke tona, mme rona re emetse dikgaolo tse e leng gore ga di batlang go gatelela teng, gore ga go molato go adima. na bagwebi ba ba tona ba le bantsi kwa go tsone, ke sone Jaaka re ne re batla go ruta Batswana re ya ditlhophong se ke ka inaakanyang le ba ba neng ba a fa dikai. Sekai gore UDC e tlaa le golega, fa go le thata jaaka go ntse se se tona Dr Matsheka se ke batlang o se lebelela ke sa jaana, madi a diteemane a tlhaela, madi a bojanala a kwa Kenya, ke tsaya gore Mopalamente wa Ramotswa seyo, go matshwanedi gore go adimiwe. o fetile ka sone. Kenya e kgonne go tlhabolola tsamaiso e fa o le kwa lelwapeng kgwedi e fela, madi a gago a Jaanong re ema Tshutiso e nokeng ka mabaka ao ka gore dituelo a tsena, o ka tsaya tshwetso ya gore o ka ntsha rona ga re a bulwa matlho ke COVID, re ne re ntse re madi fela a a kana ka P300 kana P400 gore ke a ipeela, butse matlho go ise go nne le COVID mo lefatsheng la ke direla bongwanake bokamoso ka one, ke nna le seabe Botswana, ra lebela dilo tse kwa pele… sa gore ke reke ke tsenye madi a me into a Government HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… bond. Fa re ka se ka ra dira, gakere re ye go kopa jaaka go ntse, mme fa re ka palelwa ke go dira thulaganyo ya MR SALESHANDO: Ke sone se re amogelang gore Motswana a le kwa Peleng le ene e re go buiwa ka Tshutiso ya gompieno. Lefatshe la Botswana mo kgang ya bond, a bo a itse gore o na le seabe mo teng, bogompienong fa o le tshwantshanya le mafatshe a re tlaabo re paletswe ke go direla Batswana tshiamelo mangwe a a mo SADC, bokete jo re nang le dikoloto ya gore le bone ba akole se Palamente o se kopang ka jone bo bo nnyennyane thata go gaisa mafatshe a gore e se dire mo letsatsing la gompieno, so ke batla go mangwe. Go na le mafatshe a mangwe a a mo SADC gatelela thata gore se se dirwe go tlhoafetswe. Botswana a madi a dikadimo tsa bone a tsamaelang kwa go 49 fa go dirwa dikanoko, gantsi go supiwa gore re na le per cent ya Gross Domestic Product (GDP), rona re a low propensity to save, phisegalo ya Batswana ya go santse mo dingwageng tse dintsi fa ke gakologelwa re ipolokela e kwa tlase. Go ka tswa go na le mabaka a le kwa tlase ga 20 per cent, gone mo go raya gore go re le mantsi, a mangwe re a itse gore ke a gore dituelo fa sebaka sa go ka kgona go ya go adima madi go tla go mo lefatsheng la Botswana di kwa tlase, mme le ba dira ditiro tsa Puso. dituelo tse di kwa tlase go na le ba ba eletsang go ipeela. Jaanong fa re ka se ka ra bula diphatlha tsa gore ba ba Ke batla go gatelela thata the next point, mo Botswana batlang go ipeela bonnyennyane jo ba ka bo kgonang ga se la ntlha re dira thulaganyo ya bonds, mme re ne re gore e re go buiwa kgang ya bonds le bone ba bo ba e di dira ka sekale se se kwa tlase thata. Mo Botswana fa re itse, re tlaabo re sa ba direla sentle. dira thulaganyo e, go le gantsi ba ba akolang thulaganyo e ke mo gotweng institutional investors, bagwebi ba Kgang e e batla e tshwaraganngwa le e e saleng e buiwa dikompone tse di kgolo le bagwebi ba ba nang le dithata pele ga ke nna Mopalamente wa Gaborone Central. Re tse di kwa godimo tsa itsholelo. Kana thulaganyo e e na le go bua dilo mo Pusong e di bo di sa dirwe. Kgang ya a bo e le gore Puso e adima madi le mo go wena o le Public Private Partnership (PPP) ke simolotse go e utlwa Motswana, o kgone gore Puso e adime madi mo go ke ise ke tlelwe ke kakanyo ya go emela bopalamente. wena, o bona dipoelo tse di botoka go na le fa o ne o beile Ke fano gompieno ke na le dingwaga tse dintsi ke madi kwa bankeng. Batswana ba le bantsi mo Botswana ntse ke tseneletse dipolotiki, mme projects tse di ka ba kgaphetswe kwa ntle ga thulaganyo e ka gore ga ba supiwang tsa PPP mo Botswana, ga ke dumele fa di feta yo fa go tla mo bonds from experience, go tla the big five, tota ke re ga ke dumele fa di tshwara five. Jaanong institutional investors. Ke ne ke kopa Tona Dr Matsheka fa re nna re bua dilo re le Puso, mme boeteledipele jo bo gore mo nakong e khutshwane ka gore ke solofela gore leng teng bo sa di diragatse, ga re itirele sentle ka gore bonds tse dingwe tsa tsone e ya go nna tsa bo two years, gompieno go ka bo go se na mathata a gore ditsela tse dinako tse dingwe five years or even 25 years. Fa e le di tona tse di yang kwa mafelong a Bojanala; tsela e e gore re batla gore re bo re tsena mo go tlhabololeng dilo tswang mo Nata e ya kwa Kasane, e e tswang Nata e tse di tshwanang le ditsela go nne le thulaganyo ya gore ya kwa Maun gore di bo di ntse mo seemong se di leng mme Puso e dira eng gore Motswana kwa gae fa le ene mo go sone gompieno. Tsela e e yang kwa Shakawe e a batla go baya madi a gagwe in bonds, a nne le thuto ya ya kwa Mohembo e bo e le mo seemong se se leng teng gore o ka dira jang e bile ke eng a tshwanetse gore le ene gompieno jaana, re bo re re nnyaa re tlaa ya go adima a tshwaraganele ditlhabololo tse le Puso. Fa e le gore go kwa maChineng, jaaka Tautona Mokgweetsi Masisi a ne ya go tswelela fela ka big institutional investors go raya a ile go re bolelela kwa Maun ka 2018 gore o re bonetse gore golo fa re kopanetse go direla melao bagwebi ba ba madi kwa China, a rona a sa re bolelele sepe ka one. Re

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batla go akola dipoelo tsa madi a rona, re itlhabololela ja bokae, ke eng bogolo o sa lebelele gore fa e le gore e ja lefatshe mo Botswana ka gore go baya mo Goromenteng less than P5,000 a go tlhokafala gore ke senye P100 000 wa mafatshe a mangwe ba na le tse ba di gabileng, tse e ke isitse P2 000. Ke selo se re tshwanetseng go se ipotsa leng gore gongwe ga di ka ke tsa re siamela fa re ntse re fa re ntse re tsweletse pele ka fa re tsamaisang ka teng. tsweletse pele le ditlhabololo tsa lefatshe. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke batla go digela ka tlhagiso, jaaka re riana re ya go HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... tsaya sekoloto, re tsena mo dikolotong tsa madi a, go botlhokwa gore Batswana ba bone re dira se re ka se MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): dirang go fokotsa mathata a tshenyetso-setšhaba. Fa Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Gongwe ke supe gore re mo e le gore re ya go lesa jaaka go ntse letsatsi lengwe, nakong e lefatshe la Botswana le leng mo go bidiwang o a ne o tsoga o fitlhela gotwe mongwe o ikadimile ka Sekgoa gotwe transition from the periods of plenty to billions tsa Puso, jaaka National Petroleum Fund (NPF) the periods of scarcity, or from the periods tsa surpluses go diragetse go utswiwa madi a sekoloto, re tlaabo go ya kwa dinakong tsa deficits. Golo mo go supa re sa direle dikokomane tse di tlang kwa morago ga sengwe, go supa gore metswedi e lefatshe la rona le rona sentle ka gore madi a a tshwanetse go tlhabolola ntseng le dira madi ka yone, e simolotse go kgala. Fa e lefatshe. Re santse re na le mathata, se se teng se ke se simolotse go kgala jaana, ke sone se re leng mo nakong bonang ka dikgang tsa corruption re mo denial, ke sone e Goromente a tlelwang ke dikakanyo tsa gore jaanong se Makgoa ba a tleng ba re, an ostrich that has buried go adimiwe madi, go okediwe bonds ka tsela e Tona a its head in the sand. Re a e itlhokomolosa tshenyetso- kopang ka yone. setšhaba e e leng teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana, mme Ke batla go supa gore seemo se re leng mo go sone se ke sone sekgopi se se tsileng go re direla mathata a a ga se se se monate, ka lebaka la gore fa o bona jaanong fetang a Corona ka gore madi a Puso ka fa a senyegang lefatshe le simolola go bereka ka deficits, go supa gore re ka teng ka tshenyetso-setšhaba, e le selo sa ntlha. Selo sa tsamaela kwa dinakong tse di bokete thata tse mafatshe bobedi, madi a Puso ka fa a senyegang ka teng ka gore a mangwe a neng a ntse a le mo go tsone. a dirisiwa jaaka e kete ga go na fa a felelang teng, ga Fa gongwe kana lefatshe le tsena mo seemong se se go na ope yo o tshwenyegang ka the cost e e diragalang ntseng jaana sa go tshela ka dikadimo, ka lebaka la gore mo Pusong. Ke a itse gore bangwe ba ne ba tsaya gore le ne la re ka nako e le neng le tshwere tse di neng di re a tshameka maloba re bua gore Dr Matsheka, a mme thusa, itsholelo e le strong, lefatshe la se ka la dirisa gone fa re re re batla efficient utilisation of resources, a ditsalone ka tsela e e siameng. go tsaya helicopters tse tharo di ya kwa Tswapong di isa phoko le dikoloi di feta 20… Honourable Saleshando o ntse a bua ka dikgang tsa corruption. Re a itse gore lefatshe la rona le ne le HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… bololetswe ke corruption e e seng kana ka sepe, e e MR SALESHANDO: …jaaka Mopalamente wa kwa neng e dira gore madi mangwe a nyelele. A mangwe Tswapong a re o bone, a o tsile go didimala fela jaana, o a sa nyelele, e le madi a a dirisiwang mo projects tse bo o tla o bua morago ga Tautona a tsamaile o bo o re o di neng di tsaya nakwana e khutshwanyane, go bo go ne o bobile, a ke gone ka fa re batlang go dira ka teng? felela go patikesega gore projects tse di dirwe gape ka Honourable Tshabang le ene last week, o ne a seyo go madi a mantsi. Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, mo nakong e na le air show kwa kgaolong ya gagwe, helicopters di re neng re le mo luxury, ka gore re ne re na le madi to goroga di tlhomagane le dikoloi di se kana ka sepe go maintain dikago tse di sa dirwang sentle, having been tlisitswe phoko. Ga se gore re bua ka go sotla, it always compromised ke gore go ne go neelwa dikompone, starts with the highest office. gongwe di tswa koo mme go sa itsiwe le track record ya tsone. Go ne go neetswe dikompone, inspection e HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... sa dirwe sentle ka lebaka lone la corruption, e bo kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi, re felela o kare re duelela projects MR SALESHANDO: Fa e le gore re ya go tsaya madi gantsi. Re a itse gore ditiro tse di neng di dirwa mo a Batswana re a adima gore go tlholwe go diriwa jaaka lefatsheng la Botswana, cost overruns di ne di tshosa, go… o se na letswalo la gore mme tshenyegelo, the and I am saying maybe it was because during those expense versus the value ya selo se ke se isang ke eng. A days, they were the days of plenty, but we have come to ga o lebelele gore ka gore ke isa, ga ke itse gore phoko e a point where we are facing face to face le periods of

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scarcity. Therefore, tsela e re itsayang ka yone (conduct) tse di fetileng, when they re-introduced terena, they le e re tshelang ka yone ought to show gore the times of reintroduced terena ya chukuchuku. Mafatshe ga a koo, plenty ga di sa tlhole di le teng Mr Speaker. mafatshe a kgakala ba setse ba tsamaya ka fast trains. Rona bona gore nako e re neng re na le madi, instead Jaaka re tswelela ka go adima jaana Mr Speaker, re of introducing diterena tse di bofefo, we then decided to tshwanelwa ke go nna very cautious. Jaaka re oketsa introduce chukuchuku. Gompieno ga re sa tlhole re na bonds ka fa re yang go dira ka teng, re tshwanelwa le madi, and it does not look like re tlaa kgona dilo tse ke go nne very cautious. Re tlhaloganye gore we have di siameng mo nakong e khutshwanyane. Mafatshe a a future generations. Re tshwanelwa ke gore le bone re ba tlhabologileng, a tswa kgakala ka dilo tse di siameng. tlogelele gap, which they will also exercise flexibility ya gore ba tseye dikadimo which can finance their needs Bona gore re ntse re dira ditsela tse di ntseng jang, tsa and aspirations, because our needs and aspirations as bogologolo tse kwa mafatsheng a mangwe tota go sa this generation, will completely differ le the needs and bolong go fetwa ka standards tseo tsa ditsela. Rona re aspirations of the future generations. tswelela re dira ditsela ka fa re dirang ka teng. Letsatsi leno Gaborone is congested, ka lebaka la gore we rely Therefore, fa re bua ka borrowing limits; both domestic mo tseleng e le nngwefela. Francistown has only one and external re tshwanelwa ke go nne ka dinako tsotlhe road e e tsenang mo toropong e tswa Gaborone. There re itse gore le fa re tlaabo re tsweletse re adima, ga re is congestion all the time. Productivity levels have gone tsamaele kwa go tswaleng gaps tsa both domestic and down, because people spend a lot of time on the roads external, gore go nne le flexibility in future for our ba ya kwa ditirong le kwa ba yang teng, because of our young people, le bone e re fa ba le mo go Goromente, ba planning and the way we have used our money as a kgone ba tle ba adime ba dire dilo ka tsela e ba tlaabong country. ba dumela gore lefatshe le tshwanelwa ke gore le tsamae ka yone. We need to exercise so much prudence and Therefore Mr Speaker, I want to urge this Government frugality of the highest order Mr Speaker, gore re tle re gore we must change tact re bone gore jaaka re oketsa kgone go bona gore ditsa setšhaba re di babalela ka tsela bonds jaana, the projects tse re yang go di dira re e e ntseng jang. tshwanelwa ke go di dira ka tsela e re lebetseng kwa pele, gore re dire ditsela tsa matlhatlhaganyane le flyovers tse I want to say, lefatshe la Botswana for a very long time, di tsamaelanang le go itse gore when we project into the le ne le na le mathata a gore projects tse ba ntseng ba future, things will change, dikoloi di a go oketsega. Fa di dira kana tse di ntseng di dirwa, di ne di dirwa ke e le gore re ya go dira ka fa re ntseng re dira ka teng, ga Goromente ka gore gongwe madi a ne a le mantsi, a re ka ke ra ya gope as a country. We have to make sure sena sepe gore she can involve the private sector gore gore re lebela kwa pele e seng fa, because that is what le yone e kgone go dira major projects like roads, tse e planning is all about. kareng mo nakong e e rileng ditsela tse ka tumalano e e Ke sone se Mr Speaker, tota re kopang gore jaaka re tlaabong e dirilwe, private sector e sena go phutha madi dumalana le gore bonds tse di ye go tsewa, a re direng a bone (recover) ba dira profits, ba di busetsa mo go ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Gape, let us make sure gore as Goromente. Goromente o tswa kgakala a dira ka tsela e we try to cultivate the capital market, let us make sure e ntseng jalo, mme jaaka Alliance for Progressives (AP) gore Batswana ba ba itseng ditiro tse, jaaka re ya go e tswa kgakala e bua, re dumela thata… dira projects tse di tona, e nne bone ba ba neelwang HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ditiro tse. Gompieno ditsela tsotlhe tse di dirwang mo lefatsheng la Botswana, di dirwa ke dikompone tsa MR MMOLOTSI: Re le boleletse thata ka nako ya maChina, mme re na le dikompone tsa Batswana tse campaigns gore, le tshwanelwa ke gore le… if you di itseng go dira ditsela. Kgang ke gore, a mme re le read our manifesto, le tlaa tlhaloganya se ke buang lefatshe le raya gore re ka tswelela ka gore ditiro tsa ka ga sone. Ke ne ke le bolelela ka State of the Nation rona tsotlhe tsa multimillion Pula, e bo e le ditsela tse Address (SONA) le ka Budget gore, fa le batla lefatshe di dirwang ke maChina? Batswana ba sentse eng mo go la Botswana le ye golo gongwe, re tshwanelwa ke kanakana? Re ntse re itse gore go na le dikompone tsa gore re fetole tact We cannot plan ka tsela e re dirang Batswana tse di neng di fentse tenders tse di dirileng ka yone. Bona gore gompieno jaana ba Transport and ditsela mo lefatsheng la Botswana, mme dikompone Communications, mo dingwageng tse nne, tse tlhano tseo are not given an opportunity go dira ditiro mo

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lefatsheng la bone, mme ba sena sebaka sa ya gore ba ka lebelelang these bonds. Ke yone e ke batlang go go e ya go dira ditiro kwa mafatsheng a maChina? Golo mo baya pele gore tsenya leitlho mo go yone gape o tsenye re le lefatshe, re tshwanelwa ke go go emela ka dinao dikompone tsa Batswana, ba lebelele madi a. Re na le Honourable Matsheka, and make sure we empower our Batswana ba le bantsi ba asset management. own people. It has to be a deliberate decision. We have said this in the past gore, le ka nako e go neng gotwe Ke boe ke tsene ka gore re le Mapalamente, re ne re lela Batswana ga ba itse ditiro, re ne re re let us unbundle fa rotlhe ka ditlhabololo tse di seyong kwa mafelong these projects gore kompone ya motswakwa e se ka ya le dikgaolo tsa rona. E re jaaka ke le Mopalamente wa tsaya tiro yotlhe ka go felela ga yone. A re kgaoganyeng Kgalagadi North, ga go na metsi le ditsela. Bomme ba tender e tona ka small tenders, but for now, dikompone ba tswang kwa settlements, ba a senyegelwa Tona. Ka o tsa Batswana di itekanetse, a re di neeleng ditiro Mr na le leitlho le lentle, o bone gore o beye Tshutiso e fa Speaker, re tle re itse gore madi a tlaabo a tsena mo pele ga rona gore ditlhabololo di nne teng. Fa re tswa fa, Botswana, a dirisiwa ke Batswana a dira ditiro mo re ye go dira ditlhabololo, mme ka rotlhe re go tshepha, Botswana especially because we do not have exchange re go itse, tiro e e ya go nna teng ka gore o le motho controls. Fa re se na exchange controls jaana, go raya wa dikgwebo, e bile o kile wa ruta tsa dikgwebo kwa gore batho ba tlaa dira madi mo lefatsheng la rona, ba University of Botswana (UB), dilo tse ke tse e reng fa o bo ba rwala gotlhe. di bua, re a go reetsa e bile re tlaa go sala morago Tona.

Last time when I was presenting here Rre Matsheka, ke Fa re ntse re tsweletse, lefatshe la rona ga le na dikoloto ne ke rile one of the things that you need to do is to tse di kalokalo, mme fa re lebeletse, a re adime ka gore explain to us as Parliament gore, naare re dumela gore madi a dira madi. Ga go na madi a a ka itirang, madi a investors di ka sia fa re ka nna le exchange controls. dira madi Tona. Ka re se mo dikolotong tse di kalokalo, Rona re dumela gore investors fa di batla to invest mo a re bone gore Tshutiso e e nna fa pele ga rona ka gore re lefatsheng, di tshwanetse gotlhaloganya gore go na le a bona gore kwa mafatsheng a mangwe a re bapileng le melao e e tsamaelanang le bohathanyana jwa lefatshe, one, ba dirisa Tshutiso e. A re dire jalo, re tswelele jalo jwa gore lefatshe le batla go sireletsa itsholelo ya lone ka gore golo mo go ya go leka go thusa bojanala jwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Ga re a tshwanela go lebelela rona jo re lelang ka jone, jo e leng gore gompieno jaana, fela gore ba tlaa ngala, a ba ngale mme ba bangwe ba bo digilwe ke COVID-19 le dikgwebo tsotlhe jaaka re tlaa tla. Le Batswana ba teng, ba tlaa kgona gore ba dire bona gore di ole Tona re le Batswana, re lela ka bolwetse ditiro tse gompieno Mr Speaker re ngongoregang ka jo. A re tsoseng itsholelo ya rona. Re ka e tsosa fela fa re tsone. ka batla madi go dira madi le itsholelo ka gore re batla Puso e itsholelo ya yone e itshetletseng. Re ka dira jalo Ke kopa go digela ka gore Tona, we support this, like fa re ka dira jaana. I said, let us make sure gore Batswana are going to Maloba re ne re ntse re bua mo Ntlong e ka monitoring benefit mo go feteletseng. and evaluation. Fa o tsaya setlhogo seo o bo o lebelela HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… budget performance ya rona, ke dilo tse di tlileng go re thusa le fa e le gore re tlaabo re tsena mo sekolotong se. MS MONNAKGOTLA (KGALAGADI NORTH): Re na le madi a bo pensions a re ka a tlopolang le fale, Good morning Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga. Ke ema Tona ra bona gore re baakanya itsholelo ya rona, bana ba ise nokeng ka Tshutiso e a e beileng Ntlo e fa pele. Tona ba wele mo isong. Rre Matsheka, o le wa madi, re a itse gore lefatshe ka bophara re ne ra amiwa ke COVID-19. E tsere itsholelo HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR ya mafatshefatshe ya e isa kwa tlase. Ka re go itse e bile TSOGWANE): Elucidation. Motlotlegi, ka fa o re go tshepha o le motho yo o tsamaisitseng dikgwebo akgelang mo Pusong e go botlhokwa thata ka gore o tse dintsi, o nnile le leitlho le lentle la gore ka jaana kgoma ntlha e e botlhokwa ya go tlhokomela le go baya bolwetse bo isitse itsholelo kwa tlase, ke tsenya se e leitlho ditiro jaaka di tlaabo di abetswe madi. Ke ntlha e bile ke le baya se, le le Ntlo ya Palamente. Ke go ema e botlhokwa e o e gatelelang gore re tshwanetse ra dira nokeng Tona. go bona gore madi a a fetsa ditiro tse ka nako le madi a a beetsweng tiro ya go nna jalo, le go bona gore tiro Go na le plain vanilla bonds tse re nang le asset e ba ba yang go thusega, ba thusega ka tiro e e fedileng management companies tsa Batswana tse di ka ka nako. Seemo seo sa monitoring and evaluation se

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botlhokwa Tona, ka gore mo nakong e e fetileng, o ne MR RAMOGAPI: Ke tlaa go e neela malome, ke gone o ka fitlhela projects tse dingwe ga di fele, di tlogelwa ke simololang. O itse gore ga ke e timane, ga ke tshwane ke dikonteraka e bile di lopa madi a mantsi go na le le wena ka koo. madi a a neng a neetswe project ka ntateng ya tiego le go gola ga ditlhwatlhwa tsa dithoto tse di dirisiwang. Ke Dilo tse di botlhokwa thata, re tshwanetse go di ela batla go gatelela ntlha e o e buang Mma Monnakgotla, tlhoko ka dinako tsotlhe. Tumelo ya me ke gore fa re gore e botlhokwa, mme e bile go supafala gore o na le tsamaisa itsholelo ya lefatshe, re tshwanetse gore fa experience e ntsi mo dikgannyeng tsa merero ya kgwebo re ntse re adima jaana, re re re batla go adima re na le ka fa go ntseng ka teng, o gaisa Lucas. tlhaloganyo le kakanyo ya selo se gotweng to stimulate itsholelo kana go e kenta gore e phophome. Go kenta HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… itsholelo mo lefatsheng la Botswana go motlhofo mo go ka re direlang ditiro go bo go raya gore e bile fa re MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Mothusa ntse jalo, re ka kgona go isa madi golo gongwe. Ke Tautona. Ke sone se ke neng ke se bua gore Tshutiso gore adima, dirisa madi le wena o hire batho, go nne e e tlile go thusa monitoring ka gore re ntse re bona in le sengwe. Mma ke go fe sekai ka kgaolo e tshwana le our projects e re fa motho a filwe tender eo, a bo a sa ya me ya Palapye; go na le kgang e e tshwanang le ya e fetse gongwe go na le tlhaelo ya madi. Projects tseo, bo glass project, a re tsosoloseng this project e re direle di tlile go fela Mothusa Tautona. Ditiro di tlile go nna madi mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Fa e re direla madi teng. Investors ba tlile go nna teng jaaka kwa kgaolong mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re ya go hira batho. Ke e ke tswang kwa go yone ya Kgalagadi North, re na le mogopolo o o siameng, o montle. Zutshwa Salt. Tona Moagi, ke bona project e e le nngwe ya tse di tlileng go tswelela di bo di tsosolosa itsholelo A re nneng fa fatshe bagaetsho, re akanyeng gore fa re ya Kgalagadi North. Le tsone fela jalo tsa bo Botswana tsosolosa BCL e ya go hira batho ba le kae, e ya go re Meat Commission (BMC) le tsa balemi-barui, ka gore direla madi ka go rekisa kopore. Go na le gore re adime, re balemi-barui. Re tlile go bona dikgwebo tseo le tsone re jele mo ganong. Golo mo ga go a siamela lefatshe. di tswelela. Ka a le kalo, ke a leboga Tona. Tona, ke go Fa ke go fa sekai gape; kwa Palapye, lefatshe le teng ema nokeng. la kompone e gotweng ke Special Economic Zone (SEZA), e teng, lefatshe le teng le lentle, re ba le file. MR RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): Ke a leboga Mr Jaanong adimang madi a le re, bagaetsho, re a ipeela, Speaker. Ke ema fa ke ema Tona Matsheka nokeng ka re batla gore kamoso re tsosolose itsholelo ka coal kgang ya gagwe ya moruthutha ya go oketsa madi go beneficiation. Fa re tsosolosa ka magala, a kgona go tswa kwa go 15 go ya kwa go 30. Kgang e e botlhokwa dira dilo tse dintsi thata, ditiro tse di gakgamatsang. Ke le fa ke mo ema nokeng, ke batla gore a tseye mhago gore magala a kgona go dira oil, melemo, coke, a kgona mo dilong tse di botlhokwa. Go tsamaisa itsholelo go go dira dilo tse dintsintsi fela, list ya teng ga e fele. Go tshwana fela le go tsamaisa lelwapa. Bogologolo fa re dira jalo rraetsho re ka itirela sengwe se kamoso re ka gola, re ne re rutiwa go lema, mme o se ka wa jela mo yang golo gongwe. Botswana International University ganong. Go ne go na le dilo di bidiwa gotwe sesigo le of Science and Technology (BIUST) ke go fe sekai letlole, go tsenngwa mo go tsone. E ne e re ka nako e e gape ka yone, fa e agiwa go ne gotwe go tlaa dirwa selo thata, o bo o ntse o tlopola mo teng. Tsamaiso ya rona e se gotweng Public Private Partnership (PPP), a-ah! le re e bonang ya ga Domkrag, re tlaa jela fela mo ganong. gompieno ga gona le fa e le sepe. Honourable Nkate e Golo mo go borai, ga go a siamela lefatshe. A re ipeeleng rile fa a tsena kwa a re, “bagaetsho, project e ke batla mo go siameng. A e re re adima jaana, re invest mo go gore ke e dire ka selo se gotweng PPP, le fa e le tsela siameng rraetsho, ke a kopa. Ke tlaa go fa sekai Tona; re kana toilet e e dirilweng ka PPP kwa BIUST.” Ga gona tsere P2 billion maloba ka COVID-19, motlhala wa P2 le fa e le sepe. Mme ra re dilo tse di botlhokwa thata billion ga o ka ke wa o supa wa re re agile sepatela ke gore re di dire…(laughter!)…ke mo mathateng gatwe se. E ne ya re fa bolwetse bo tlhagoga kwa China, go na I should yield. Mma ke go neele, ga o ka ke wa e tsaya le selo se ba ka se supang ba re re agile sepatela ke se. yotlhe, ke a go itse, ke a go tshepha. Le se ka la tsaya gore gongwe re le kgala ka dilo tse, re a bo re gakolola gore bagaetsho, a e re le mo bothateng, MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND re itirele dilo tse di siameng, tse di nang le bokamoso… RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Point of clarification. Nnyaa, ga ke ka ke ka e tsaya yotlhe HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. ntate. Mokaulengwe, ke ne ke re o ntshedimosetse fa, ke

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utlwile o bua gore go ntshitswe P2 billion ya COVID-19 itsholelo ya one ka selo se gotweng hemp. Ga ke itse Relief Fund, mme ga go itsewe kwa madi a ileng teng. gore hemp e dirile eng maDomkrag. Fela fa o ka bua Ke belaela gore fa e se wena ke Rre Lucas kana ke gore a re lemeng hemp, o itse gore ba tlaa lwa go lwa. mang, ba ba neng ba boditse Tona Matsheka fa go bolela Mafatshe a tsosolosa itsholelo ka hemp, mme e bile e gore go dirisitswe bokae mo go eng. O ne a e araba, ga bogadi bo gaufi, a re e lekeletseng. Dilo tse ke tse di ke a utlwa go nna le dingongorego ka koo. A golo mo ga siameng, tse e leng gore fa re ka di dira re tlaa ya golo o bone e le go tsietsa Batswana? gongwe.

MR RAMOGAPI: Ke a leboga tsala ya me Hardrock. Rraetsho ka gore nako e re tshwere, Rre Matsheka, ke Fa o sa kgone go lemoga gore le paletswe ke go aga batla go go lebogela gore o re tsamaisetsa itsholelo sepatela fela mme re ntshitse P2 billion. Sepatela fela sentle. Ke e tle ke tshoge fa gongwe fa ke robetse ke sele sengwe fela kwa Palapye! aah! jaanong ga o ka ke akanye gore, ke gore fa ke bona Rre Matsheka o kare ga wa tlhola o bona sepe. Kana rona re ipatlela sepatela a itumela jaana, fa a ka re ke a tlogela, I am resigning, re kwa Palapye. Fela fa o ne o rile bagaetsho, mo go P2 ya go bona mang? Ke raya fela ke go bona fa gongwe, ke billion o re a le tlopolela, agang sepatela, o itse gore re bona o kare ga o a itumela. Ke bo ke nna le letshogo gore ka bo re re, nnyaa mme sengwenyana se teng. Jaanong re a bo re tla bona mang, ke raya gone ka koo. Jaanong ga re na se re se bonang. Go na le lenaneo le lengwe ke ke a go rapedisa motho wa Modimo a ko o tswelele o le la Domkrag… kana Domkrag e rata kgang e mo go itshoke fela, ke na le tshepho le tumelo mo go wena. maswe mo malatsing a, fa o re o tshwara se gatwe nnyaa Le fa go ka nna bokete, ga nna thata, itshoke fela, goga re na le lenaneo gatwe poor delivery, poor performance. fela, o gogele for the sake of this nation. Re a go kopa, Nnyaa poor delivery e teng bagaetsho, a re boneng re a bona gore o tshwaragane le bothata. Ba bangwe ga gore re e tokafatsa jang. Heelang! Naare jaanong poor ba tlhaloganye, kana fa motho a busa, ba bangwe ke delivery e setse e le lenaneo la lona? A ko re ganeng, re gore ba mo gogela kwa morago, ba bangwe ba mo ntsha bo re kgaleng gore poor delivery ga e a siama, ke golo mo tseleng. Rraetsho, tswelela o itshoke fela jalo, re go mo go bosula thata mo go re senyetsang itsholelo. Ga eme nokeng ka molao o mme gape o nkgatlhela gore o se golo mo re tshwanetseng gore re go galetse, re go motho yo o na leng le letswalo. Letswalo le le kgonang tseye jaaka lenaneo. O tsaya pampiri nngwe le nngwe e go go raya le re, nnyaa fa ga ke ka ke ka tsenya tlhogo Puso e tlang ka yone gone mo Palamenteng, nnyaa, go fela, o bo o re mme ke buse pele ke leke ka tsela e e na le poor delivery e bile re tlaa dira gore go nne le ... ntseng jaana. Dilo tse rraetsho ga se gore ga re di bone, heelang! Golo mo ga se lenaneo, ke bolwetse, ke golo re a di bona. Re a go di lebogisa ka fa o tshwereng ka mo go sa siamang. A re tsweng mo golong mo gotweng teng ka thata. Re a leboga Mr Speaker, re go eme nokeng poor delivery, ga go a siama. Honourable Minister.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ehe! ke lenaneo. MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATION (DR KWAPE): Ke a leboga Mr MR RAMOGAPI: Nnyaa, e setse e le lenaneo fela la Speaker, mme le nna ke eme Tona nokeng ka kopo e Domkrag. Tona, ke batla gore ke go leboge rraetsho, a e bayang Palamente. Ke simolole ka go tshegela ka ke go lebogele gore mo nakong e e thata e, ga o a ka Botswana o mo maemong a mantle gore a kgone a tle wa akanya go ya go tsaya kana go adima madi kwa kwa go rona, a bue gore mpudu o haretse, mme a re ye China. Mafatshe a le mantsi a Africa fela fa gotwe one, go adima golo gongwe re tle re mo ntshe mo pharelong o utlwa ba re go na le soft loan kwa China, re tlaa ya go e a mo go yone. Seo kana ke sesupo sa gore tsamaiso tsaya gone koo. Dikgang tse re di utlwang fa e le gore ya itsholelo go simologa fela kwa re tsereng boipuso di boammaaruri, gatwe lengwe lefatshe la Africa le re teng, e ntse e le e e tsamaisiwang sentle. Botswana o bapileng le lone, setse television e tsamaisiwa ke China, tshwana le kgwebo e e reng fa dilo di wetse kwa tlase e le dilo tse dintsi, e le gore ba re nnyaa re dueleng ka bo e kgona go ya fa bankeng e re nkadime madi foo, ga moepo, kamoso ba ba fa moepo. Kamoso ba ba duela ba bantsi ba e leng gore fa seemo se ntse jaaka se ntse ka television station. Re re dilo tse re tshwanetse ra go jaana, ba kgona go ya golo gongwe ba re nkadime madi leboga rra gore ga o a ka wa akanya go ya kwa go bao foo. Ke batla go gatelela gore, kana maloba jaana re rraetsho. ne re santse re fetisa lenaneo la National Development Kgang e tona e nngwe e o ka e akanyang rraetsho, e e ka Plan (NDP) 11, Mid-Term Review, mme go ntshiwa tsosolosang itsholelo ka bonako, mafatshe a tsosolosa ditshetlana tse re batlang gore e re lenaneo le le wela,

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re bo re kgonne go di dira. Rra, Tshutiso kana kopo e E nngwe e ke batlang go e gatelela ke gore ditiro tse di ya gago e tla ka nako e e siameng, ka re adile gore ra tshwaraganelwang, e bile ga ke akanya ka ditiro tse di re re batla go dira eng, mme jaanong re batla lone ledi tshwaraganelwang le fa barwarre ba supa dingwe tse di le re tlaa se dirang ka lone. Re sa lebale gore bolwetse sa kgonagalang, mma ke supe e e kgonagetseng. Fa o ya jo jwa COVID-19 bo re apesitse kobo ka letlhono. Fa kwa motseng wa Kanye, go na le mall o bediwa gotwe o ka lebelela mafatshe a mangwe a a bapileng le rona, Mongala. Mongala Mall o tshwaraganetswe ke ba ba itsholelo ya bone e ngotlegile fela thata, mo e leng gore ikemetseng ba le nosi le Council ya Kanye. Ba bangwe fa e ne e se gore re mo seemong se re mo go sone, motho ba dikhansele tse dingwe ba ka tsaya malebela koo. Fa o ka ipotsa gore re ne re ka dira jang. o etela teng o fitlhela go na le tshwaragano e ntle fa gare ga ba taxis le ba ba rekisang. Ba taxis ba tlisa batho Ke leboge gape rra gore, le ntswa o kopa madi gore o foo gore ba kgone go reka, mme ba itshetse ka go tsaya ye go adima golo gongwe, go tla gape morago ga Tona batho. Go nna molemo fa go na le tomagano e ntle fa Morwaeng a sena go bua gore re nne le thulaganyo e e gare ga ba ba gwebang foo, le ba ba tsayang batho jaaka botoka ya go ela tlhoko gore re dira jang, e e bidiwang Motswana o a tle a bue a re, ‘mabogo dinku a thebena.’ Monitoring and Evaluation (M&E), le gore boleng jwa Dilo tse rra di botlhokwa fela thata. dilo tse re di dirang e nne jone jo e kareng kamoso di bo di santse di le foo. Ke fete fela ka gore manifesto wa Rre Mogapi o ne a bua fa a sa itse gore madi a COVID-19 rona does not plan for shortage, it plans for ditlhabololo. a dirileng. A ke gakolole motlotlegi; motlotlegi, maloba So mo bogompienong tlhaelo e e tlisitswe ke seemo fela kana fa o bua o re mmaboi o bonya kwa kgaolong se se maswe, mme ka gore Puso e ke e ntseng e tsamaisa ya gago, re ne re bua go dirisiwa madi one a. Fa ke Puso sentle, e baya ga go tlhokafala gore e beye, e baya gakologelwa sentle motlotlegi, bontsi jwa madi bo leina la yone mo maemong a mantle. Re fano gompieno jelwe ke madi a a neng mmaboi a leka gore ope a se ka re ntshitse phega gore, nnyaa rra o ka ya go adima a lala le tlala. golo gongwe, wa bona gore o thusa jang itsholelo. Se sengwe rra se se leng mo manifesto wa rona ke gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… ga re beye tshenyetso- setšhaba sebete. Le go tlhoka go HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go na le tse di dira ditiro ka nako ga re go beye sebete, go teng in our botlhokwa. manifesto ka re lemogile gore go a tlhagoga fale le fale gore batho bangwe kana ba ba kgatlhanong le Puso e, MR SPEAKER: Leader of the House. ba a senya, gore e re kamoso go bo gotwe Puso ga e dire sentle. Mananeo a Puso a beilwe sentle a le phepa, jaaka HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR Motswana a tle a bue a re, ‘maši ke tswa ke le phepa go TSOGWANE): On a point of clarification. Tona, o re tswa thobeng… thuse fa, ka e bile o ntse o tshwere marapo kwa go tsa botsogo. O thuse Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Palapye HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. gore a madi a e rile fa a ntshiwa go bolelelwa setšhaba, DR KWAPE: …selabe se tla le motsaya kgamelo.’ a go ne go tlilwe ke a a yang go aga dipatela kgotsa a ya go sireletsa batho gore go lwantshiwe bolwetse jo jwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. COVID-19, ntswa re itse dipatela di le botlhokwa mo go lwantsheng bolwetse? A a ne a ntsheditswe go ya go DR KWAPE: Rra, fa ke tsena mo go se o se kopang, aga dipatela? kana golo mo ka e se mo go dirwang nako le nako, re ne re kopa gore o dire mo batho bangwe ba a tle ba re, DR KWAPE: Go araba ka bokhutshwane, madi rra on your marks, o laletse nako e le teng gore ba ba ka go ne go sa twe a ya go aga dipatela. Go ne gotwe a nnang le tshono ya gore ba bo ba na le madi a ba ka go ya go lere ditlamelo tsa botsogo tse di tlaa thusang a adimang, ba kgone go ipaakanya, gore ba tle ba go gore re lwantshane le segajaja se re lwang le sone, se adime. Batho ba tshwana le pensions tse bontsi jwa rona gompieno re ntseng re lwa le sone. Jaanong motlotlegi, re le badirelapuso re bayang madi a rona kwa go tsone, madi a ka boikokobetso a ne a kopetswe gone. E bile o e bile re a baya lebaka le le leele. Insurances le tsone di gakologelwe gore le Batswana ba ne ba tsenya mabogo baya madi lebaka le le leele. Batho bao bogolo jang ba a bone mo dikgetsing, ba ntsha sengwenyana. ba mo gae, re ba lebelele thata gore re tle re tsholetse ledi le re le beelang, gore e re mo botsofeng jwa rona re Gape ke gakologelwa sentle Tona Matsheka a bua bo re kgona go itshetsa. gore madi a e tlaa re kwa bofelelong jaanong tsotlhe di

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dirilwe, a boe a tle fa go supa gore mme le ene penny wa Ga ke batle go kgala lenaneo la PPP. Ke dumela gore le bofelo o dirisitswe jaana. Jaanong motlotlegi o ka iketla ne la le emisa ka nakwana. Le rona re le kwa Kgalagadi, fela pele ka ao, ra bua ka a, gore re ka ya go a tsaya kae, ka nako e ke neng ke le kwa khanseleng, re ne ra eletsa ra lebelela lenaneo la ditlhabololo le re neng re bua ka go aga bus rank le power station e tonatona ka lenaneo lone maloba, gore re dira jang gore le diragale, re se ka la PPP, mme ka dilo dingwe di ne di sa tsamaye sentle, ra tloga ra tlhakatlhakanya ditemana. tse ke tlaa eletsang gore jaaka o tsweletse o batla go lebaleba thulaganyo e le go… Ga ke batle go nna moleele, ke digele ka gore ke dumalana le kopo e ya gago gore go ye go adimiwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. madi kwa a ka adingwang teng. Ke a leboga. MR BROOKS: …simolodisa lenaneo le la PPP, tsenya MR BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): Thank leitlho le le tseneletseng go bona gore le koo madi a you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, ntetlelele fela ke eme Batswana a a sirelediwa le go siriletsega. Se segolo se Tona nokeng mo kopong e ya gagwe, ya go oketsa Batswana ba se batlang se le gaufi thata le dikakanyo tsa bond go tswa kwa go P15 billion go ya kwa go P30 bone ke go bona ditlhabololo, e seng sepe gape. billion. Dithulaganyo tse ke tse di siameng thata, di lemotsha Motswana kwa gae gore ruri batho ba ba mo Re batla gape gore o atolose letsogo la gago rraetsho Palamenteng e ke ba ba nang le tebelopele, ba akanya Tona, o leke go ngoka investors tse di nang le bokamoso jwa lefatshe le ba sa itebelela ka fa bangwe boammaaruri. Ga re setlhaketlhake re le lefatshe la ba akantseng ka teng. Botswana, re tlaa tswelela re ikgolaganya le mafatshe a a humileng, go tla go re thusa go tsosolosa itsholelo ya Ke batla go leboga Tona mo tshimologong jaaka mongwe rona. Tona, ga re batle go tswa didirisiwa tsa mafatshe a mokaulengwe ka kwa a buile gore boammaaruri, a humileng. Ke nngwe ya dilo tse ke batlang go go kopa bopelotelele, bonatla le bokgoni jwa gago, ke jone jo bo gore e nne tse o tlaa tshwanelwang ke go di ela tlhoko re kgontshitseng gore re bo re le fa re leng teng. O tlaa thata rraetsho Tona. O kgonne go dira jalo, re dumela gakologelwa sentle gore mo dingwageng tsele tsa 2009- gore o tlaa tswelela o ntse o dira jalo. 2011, lefatshe ka kakaretso le ne le le mo mathateng a Re tshwenngwa thata ke dikgang tsa tenders tse di yang go wela tlase ga itsholelo. Golo moo go ne go sa re beela court. Kana motho yo o sokolang at the end of the day, kwa thoko re le lefatshe le tshwana le Botswana jaana, ke kwa project e tshwanetseng gore e dirwe teng. Dilo re ne ra tshwanelwa ke go itshwarelela thata ka metsi, re tse re tshwanetse ra tla ka motlhala mongwe… nwela mo go one. Rraetsho, mo thulaganyong e e ntseng jalo, o ne wa leka thata go bona gore ga re nyelele, jaaka HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. e kete dintsi kana monang o nyelediwa ka Doom. O ne wa leka gotlhe mo o ka go kgonang gore re bo re le fa MR BROOKS: …o o tlaa… letsatsi le, re galalediwa ke ba re bapileng thata le bone, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. ka ba batla go tsaya se ba ya go ikgatlha ka sone ka kwa ntle. Dilo tse re ka di bona fela mo moeteledipeleng wa MR BROOKS: Ke mang ene yoo? tlhwatlhwa, a akanyetsa batho, a nna leiso le batho, a bona letlhoko la bone. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke nna kwano.

Rraetsho, mo dinakong tsa maloba, I think the late MR BROOKS: Ke tlaa go neela sir. 70s and early 80s, ga ke batle gore lefatshe but nako HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. eo South Africa jaaka o itse gore o ne a ikgaogantse, go ne go na le Bophuthatswana, moetedilepele wa teng MR BROOKS: Re tlaa eletsa…ke tlaa go neela… ka nako eo Rre Mangope, golo a go robetse, mowa wa HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… gagwe o robale ka kagiso, o ne a simolodisa bonds tse a neng a dumela fa go na le thulaganyo ya “Reka bond HONOURABLE MEMBER: Neela nna kwano. o tle o fetole botshelo jwa gago.” Golo mo go ne ga thusa kgaolwana eo thata ka nako eo gore le itlhabolole, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. le gatele pele, batho ba tlhabologe fa ba neng ba le MR BROOKS: Let me yield for you brother. teng. Ke tsaya gore fa le wena o ka atolosa seatla thata rraetsho, re ka ya kwa re batlang teng. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

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MR SPEAKER: Honourable Billy. MR BROOKS: Ke ne ke santse ke bua ka di…

MR BOKO: Elucidation. Le setse le ntshaba lebaibai. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Tanki… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko! HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR BOKO: Uhm… MR BROOKS: Nako ya me e tšhaile tlhe bathong. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko! Ke ne ke batla go bua ka gore re leke go emela ka dinao dikgang tse di kwa court Honourable Minister, HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… segolobogolo re fokotse dikgang, e re fa kgang e le kwa MR SPEAKER: Ehee Honourable Boko. court, mme on the other side tiro yone e tswelele mo go ba ba e neetsweng. Golo moo go dia ditlhabololo, ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… sone se o bonang kwa dikgaolong di tshwana le Tsabong le Makopong, le gompieno re ise re nne le metsi ka gore MR BOKO: Tanki Honourable Speaker. Honourable dikgang di tlaabo di ya kwa court, dilo tseo ke mathata. Brooks, ke lebogela mafoko a o ntseng o a bua, o e Fa re batla go tlisa investors, o tshwanetse go lebelela tshwere sentle. Go na le mafoko mangwe a ke neng gore lefatshe kwa bokete, for instance Kgalagadi South, ke solofetse gore gongwe o ka bua sengwe mo go the BORAVAST (Bokspits, Rappelspan, Vaalhoek and one, gongwe re a tsaya e le a go tshameka but a na le Struizendam) area; ke lefatshe la bojanala, la dithota fa boammaaruri a tlhwaafetse. Motlotlegi Leader of the re bua ka Khawa le la diphologolo fa re bua ka Kgalagadi Opposition o ne a lela selelo gompieno, mme o se ledile Transfrontier Park (KTP). Fa e le gore re tlaa palelwa ke le maloba fa re bua ka dikgang tsa madi a re fa gongwe go isa investors gone koo re bo re ba raya re re nnyaa, re na le go dirisa madi bohahalele, a bo a fa sekai sa gore felelang mo Gaborone le kwa Francistown, wena o bo re kgona go ya go abela mongwe golo gongwe phoko o tsaya madi a setšhaba honourable, ga ke go omanye ya P5 000, mme re dirisitse P100 000 go dira jalo. O ke a go gakolola molekane wa me, o bo o dira ditsela ne a re gongwe le wena, ka ke itse gore o na le lentswe fela gone foo, nnyaa, o dira gore migration wa bana ba le le tlhapileng le le ntle la boammaaruri, o ka bua le rona o tlale golo go le gongwefela, go bo go nna jaaka Motlotlegi Matsheka ka dikgang tse gore nnyaa, mme e kete ditoropo di a gola mme boammaaruri e le gore di Motlotlegi, a re leke go nna le leitlho le le siameng mo ja batho ba ba tswang kwa dikgaolong. Ga re batle go dikgannyeng tse di ntseng jalo. Ke ne ke re o fete ka bona ditoropo tsa lefatshe la Botswana di kometsa bana yone Honourable Member. Thank you, ke itse gore o ba rona, di tla go ba ntsha mo ditseleng. Atolosa kabo tlaa dira jalo. ya gago ya madi rraetsho, dilo tse tsotlhe di tlise ditiro. MR BROOKS: Thank you Honourable Member, selo se peo ga e na tlhwatlhwa, mme ke selo se se nnyennyane. Ela parastatals tlhoko; bo BMC, BPC, Batswana bangwe O ka tsaya peo ya mofuta o kana ya mofuta ofe kwa ba itshetsa ka BMC fela kwa ntleng ga sepe gape. Fa kgaolong e nngwe ya lefatshe, o e isa kwa ntlheng e re goga dinao re ipaya jaaka e kete BMC ga se ya ga nngwe ya lefatshe o sa lebelele ditshenyegelo tsa go ope, ga se ya gago, ga se ya Ministry wa Agriculture, tsamaisa peo eo. Kgang ke gore, o batla gore peo e o e ke gore ga se ya ga ope fela, e sokodisa Batswana. Re tsayang o e isa kwa ntlheng e nngwe ya lefatshe, e ye go tshwanetse go ema ka dinao re tsenye leitlho, re nne le dira eng? Ke sone se re se buang. tšhesego re le mo Pusong re eteletse Batswana pele. Fa o lebile tlhwatlhwa ya BPC, e tlhatloga bosigo le HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… motshegare. Re a itse gore ga gona sepe se re se itirang, lekatane la makopo ga le na kgodu, re santse re tsweletse HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further elucidation. ka go kopa. Re tshwanetse go tla ka metlhale e mengwe HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. ka bofefo gore Batswana ba bone gore yo o kgonang go fetlha motlakase; a o fetlhe, Honourable Minister HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. Lefoko a o rekisetse BPC. Regulator e nne teng in place, we should move away from preaching, preaching, MR BROOKS: Ke batla go tswelela gape ke re… preaching, re tsene mo go direng, Batswana ba itirele HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. ditiro. Ofisi ya Trade e buletse lenaneo la madi, banana

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ba tseye madi ba dire solar energy ba tle ba kgone go tse dintsi; gasoline, kerosene, jet fuel, petroleum oils, itshetsa. Thank you Mr Speaker. steel gas, grease, asphalt and a lot of stuff. Dilo tse tsotlhe jaaka di ntse, di ka dira ditiro mme gape ga nna MR SPEAKER: Honourable Lesaso followed by letseno mo go Goromente yo o tlaabong a ntsha madi go Honourable Mmusi. dirwa ditiro tse di ntseng jaana. Ke dilo tse ke neng ke MR LESASO (SHOSHONG): Thank you Mr tsaya gore to export ditiro tsa Batswana mo Botswana Speaker… re isa coal kwa South Africa, gongwe re tlhwaafalele go tsenya madi mo go direng an oil refinery. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. MR LESASO: Gatwe Lesaso mmaetsho. MR LESASO: Sa bobedi… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… MR LESASO: Sa bobedi ke gore re na le kgang ya gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… A1 road e e leng teng gompieno, e e leng gore fa re ne re ka e baakanya ra e feleletsa, re bo re tsenya tollgates, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker… e ne e ka nna le letseno mo go Goromente ka madi one a re a adimang. Fa o lebelela mo NDP 11, jaaka ke buile ASSISTANT MINISTER OF YOUTH maloba, ga e a tlhwaafalelwa gore e ka tsenya letseno, EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE e beetswe matsananyana a ke sa dumeleng gore le yone DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Procedure. NDP 11 e ka kgona go tlisa madi. Honourable Speaker, ke batla go botsa gore a mme golo foo o tshwere list ka gore… Se sengwe sa boraro se ke batlang go bua ka sone ke gore, fa Goromente a ne a ka tlhwaafalela a construction MR SPEAKER: You are out of order! industry bank, e e neng e buiwa ke Moeteledipele wa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Kganetso ka kwano ya gore Public-Private Partnership (PPP), construction companies di kgone go adima madi MR BILLY: Ke ntse ke botsa gore… go thusa Goromente go aga lefatshe le. Fa go na le banka e e ntseng jalo, Goromente a dirile (established) MR SPEAKER: Take your seat, you are out of order! an environment ya gore go nne jalo, companies di kgona HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… go adima madi, di kgone go aga di thuse Goromente go aga lefatshe le, Goromente a bo a nna le letseno mo MR LESASO: Mr Speaker, le nna ke tsene mo mading a a a adimang, a a a dirisang gompieno. kgannyeng ya kadimo ya madi e Tona a re e bayang fa pele, gore a oketse letseno mo mading a a ka a dirisang Selo se sengwe se ke batlang go bua ka sone Mr Speaker, mo tlhabololang ya lefatshe la Botswana. Mr Speaker, ke dibanka le ba insurance. Go lebega ba sa kgone go ke dumela mo go reng fa madi a adimiwa, a tshwanetse gola ka gore ga gona fa ba ka beeletsang madi a bone go nna le motlhala le nako e re itseng gore re a dirisitse, teng mo Botswana. Ke dumela gore jaaka Goromente mme dipoelo tsa one ke tse. Ke dumela gape gore fa a tlaabo a adima madi a a ntseng jalo, go kgona go madi a adimiwa jaana, le one ka mokgwa mongwe a thusa to stimulate the insurance and Banking Sector nne le dipoelo mo go Goromente, e se ka ya nna madi a ya Botswana go gola, e kgone to invest in assets tse di a adimiwang go ya go dirisiwa mme a sena letseno mo tlaabong di le teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana. go Goromente. Ke tsaya gore mogopolo o Tona a re o bayang pele wa Ke na le megopolo e ka nna mmalwanyana; ya ntlha e gore a adime madi ka bonds, ke nngwe ya dilo tse re ka le ya gore re na le coal e ntsi mo Botswana, e ke itseng di opelang diatla. Fa madi ao a ka dirisiwa go lebane, gore gompieno fa go ne go buiwa ka yone mo National go ka nna le sekai sa gore a dirisitswe fa kae. Selo se Development Plan (NDP) 11 maloba gotwe go dirwa se ntshwenyang thata Mr Speaker, ke boikarabelo jwa seporo se se tswang fa se ya Lephalale se isa coal kwa tiriso ya madi le jwa gore e re kamoso go bo go nna le South Africa. Mme kana fa re ne re ka kgona go tsaya sesupo sa gore madi a a adimiwang a, a dirisitswe jang, madi a and refine it in Botswana, re ka tswelwa ke dilo a boetse lefatshe la Botswana le Batswana jang, mme

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kwa bofelelong fa tshenyo e le teng, o kare e a bipiwa. MR MMUSI: Mr Speaker, ga ke ise ke re ope o ile go E re kamoso Tona a sena go tsaya madi a a dirisa, a bo betsa bana. Jaanong o ntiela nako…(Laughter!)… a tla kwa go rona go re bolelela gore o a dirisitse jang, a buseditse Batswana eng, gore e tle e re re tswelela re Ke ne ke re mongwame, o lebelele infrastructure mo fa tetla ya go nna a ntse a dirisa madi, re bo re na le development. Jaaka ke bua ke re sengwe le sengwe se sesupo sa gore a dirisiwa jang. tsamaya ka dipaka, re tshwanetse go tsaya lefatshe la rona re le isa mo seemong se se fa godimonyana. Fa Ke tsaya gore ke tlaa ema gone foo Mr Speaker. re batla go bona madi a re a adimileng, kgotsa re dirile bonds a boa, re tshwanetse re ngoke ba ba ka tlang MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND go beeletsa dikgwebo tse di rileng mo lefatsheng le la SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Botswana. Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Mma le nna mo letsatsing la gompieno ke eme fa go ema nokeng mogopolo o re Selo se sengwe, jaaka o tlaabo o bone madi a rraetsho, o beilweng pele ke Tona wa tsa Madi. Kana sengwe le let us do a safer Botswana, safer with technology. Re sengwe se tsamaya ka dipaka le ka nako. Gompieno ke bone gore lefatshe le le nna le kagiso. Gompieno re bona nako ya gore re bo re lebeletse mogopolo o o ntseng gore re ngokela thata kwa technology, re tlisa technology jaana, re lebeletse seemo se re leng mo go sone mo e e ka tlang go re thusa mo security. Re bone gore re tlisa lefatsheng leno la Botswana. internet, e nne gongwe le gongwe ka dinako tsotlhe. Le one motlakase, re bone gore o nna teng dinako tsotlhe. Rraetsho, o tlile ka mogopolo o montle wa gore o Re letse re bona maabane re phatlalala mo Palamenteng bone gore o ka kabakanya jang itsholelo. E ne ya re ka ntateng ya go tlhoka motlakase. A re boneng gore madi February wa re baya kgaoganyo ya madi a maphata pele, a a lebagana le projects tse di tshwanang le tsone tse mme ka bothata jo re lebaganyeng le jone jwa bolwetse, rraetsho, so that we can make a conducive environment wa lemoga gore gongwe re ka nna ra tlhaelela mo gore re kgone go ngoka babeeletsi mo lefatsheng le. nageng. Jaanong ka gore o mo Pusong e e sa bolong go Kana... tsamaisa lefatshe le, e tsamaisa sengwe le sengwe, e itse MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN gore go dirwa jang, wa kgona gore o itlhaganele gore re TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR se ka ra fitlhela bothata jo bo setse bo re khurumeditse. MOAGI): On a point of elucidation. Ke a leboga O bo baakanyeditse, o bo tlela ka mogopolo o montle, Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Tona ke a go akgola. a a tlhalose gore ba dibolotse cables tsa motlakase, a se ka a e baya lolea fela jaaka e kete motlakase ga o yo. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Motlakase o a fetlhiwa rraetsho. MR MMUSI: Pono? …(Laughter!)… Ga a ya go betsa MR SPEAKER: A re ga a go utlwe. ngwana kwa Tonota? MR MOAGI: Ga a ka ke a nkutlwa ka gore ga a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)... bua sentle. Ke ne ke re Tona, e beye gore go letse go MR MMUSI: Mongwame, jaaka fa o tsena mo dibolotswe cable ya motlakase, e se ka ya nna e kete ditlhabololong tse, o lebelele infrastructure development motlakase ga o a fetlhiwa. thata... MR MMUSI: Tanki, ke raya fela gore sengwe le sengwe MR KEKGONEGILE: On a point of procedure. Mr re bone gore se mo maemong a a kwa godimo. Re a itse Speaker, kana Tona ke yo o a bo a raya setšhaba a re gore mo lefatsheng le la Botswana re batho ba ba seng Mopalamente o betsa bana, o ile go betsa bana; e bile bantsi, mme fela gore re dire lefatshe la rona lentle, le gape e le Minister wa Defence, Justice and Security. le ka ngokang, re tshwanetse re bone gore sengwe le Ke gore o ipotsa gore information e o e filwe ke sengwe is perfect ka dinako tsotlhe. Ke sone fela se ke Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS), Criminal se buang Honourable Minister. Investigation Department (CID) kana o e filwe ke eng? ASSISTANT MINISTER OF YOUTH Re ne re kopa gore Tona a re tlhalosetse, mme fa go sena EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE sepe, a a boele mafoko a morago. DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): On a point of HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… elucidation. Honourable Speaker, ke a leboga, ke a

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leboga Tona. Ga o bone madi a a adimiwang a ka thusa e o ka batlang madi a gore o kgone go ya ntweng mo thata segolo jang toropo ya Francistown ka gore e sa mathateng a a re lebaganeng a. le ka e ntse lebaka le le leele e sa abe ditsha? Ke tsaya gore gongwe madi a a ka dirisiwa for land servicing. Se Gongwe gape ke go lebogele gore o nnile le a clear vision sengwe gape ke lebeletse the creative industry, a ga o ya gore o lebelele gore dikadimo tse o di lebaganye le bone madi a a ka thusa thata in the creative sector? Ya Batswana, o se ka wa ya kwa mafatshe a sele jaaka go bofelo rraetsho ke gore, ga o bone madi a a adimiwang le tlwaelo. a bond, a ka re thusa go dira a primary hospital kwa Sengwe se ke batlang go se bua ke gore, ke na le tshepho Francistown ka gore go letlhoko le le tona thata? Ke a mo go wena le boikarabelo jwa gago jo o nang le jone mo leboga. dintlheng tsa madi. Maloba fa o ne o bua ka puo ya gago MR MMUSI: Tanki Minister. Rraetsho, ke dumalana le ya budget, bangwe ba rona ba ne ba go kgothakgotha wena, madi a kana a ka bereka lefatshe lotlhe. Jaaka ke ba re o dire jaaka mafatshe a mangwe. Re bona COVID bua, lefatshe la Botswana ga le le tona, le dikgaolo tsa fela e simolola ba taboga ba phakisa batho madi le dilo. rona tsa bo Gabane-Mmankgodi di ka sologelwa mosola Ke gakologelwa sentle o ema o tsepame o re, “nnyaa, I fela thata, ra fokotsa lerole. will not just go around to borrow so that I can impress people.” For that I have trust in you Minister, gore le Selo se se tona Minister, fa re batla go bona lefatshe la dikadimo tse o yang go di dira, di ya go dira tiro e sentle. Botswana re ngoka babeeletsi ba ba rileng, re tshwanetse Sengwe se ke sa se rateng ka pelo ya me yotlhe ke re fokotse lerole. Le fa e le mo go yone toropokgolo ya corruption. Definitely, re tlaabo re tsenya tlhogo mo rona ya Gaborone, le ya Francistown, tsotlhe fela, re motlhabeng jaaka an ostrich fa re ka re ga e yo. Gore bone gore re di emela ka dinao jaaka re tlaabo re tshotse madi a. Re leke go itlhaganela Honourable Minister, re e dirwa ke mang kana jang, it is a story for another se ka ra batla madi re bo re diega re sa tsenye ditlhabololo day. Ke sengwe se e leng gore re le boTona, especially ka pela. Ke kopa gore fela fa madi a a tsena, a re leke myself, I handle a lot of money kwa dikgannyeng tse gore projects di eme ka dinao, di fefosiwe, Batswana di tshwanang le tsa Department of Tertiary Education ba simolole go bona mebereko, sengwe le sengwe se Financing (DTEF). We will assure you that we will take nne teng, re tle re ngoke babeeletsi ba dikgwebo tse di care of the money. We will take care of the little thebe rileng. Re a itse gore economy mo lefatsheng gompieno which we have. Madi ao, a tlaa kgona go dira ditiro tse bagwebi ba ba tona ba lebeletse, ke yone opportunity di tshwanetseng. Di tlaa ya kwa Tati East. Ditsela tse ya gore re ba ngoke ka yone nako e, re ba tlise mo di yang kwa Ditladi jaaka ke tlhola ke bua ka tsone le lefatsheng la Botswana ba santse ba batla kwa go ka police station ya Matsiloje, di mo seemong se se sa iwang teng. siamang. Ka jalo, ke tlaa tlhokomela madi a o tlaabong o a mphile gore a kgone go ya teng. Ke wetse ke re rraetsho, ke a go akgola, ke akgolela boeteledipele jwa ga Tautona Masisi ka fa a go beileng Sengwe ke batlang go se kopa Tona ke gore, let us ka teng, a le leitlho le le ntle, le le ntšhotšho go bo a educate Batswana. A lot of people do not understand this tsentse wena. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa bond issues. Batswana ba le bantsintsi gore ba kgone to Palamente. benefit from this. Batswana ba itse gore ba ka dira jang, like Tona Moagi a ne a bua. Let us see how others are MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, doing it, so that we can copy that, accommodate and RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY assimilate it to our country. An average Motswana a (DR LETSHOLATHEBE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa kgone to benefit mo golong moo. Kana ba bangwe ba Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Thank you for giving me that ba tswang kwa North East fa o bua ka the bond notes, opportunity gore ke eme nokeng Tona ya Madi ka kopo re akanya ba lefatshe le lengwe le ke ka sekeng ka le eo ya gagwe ya go oketsa kadimo ya gagwe. bua. Re akanya ka Mahama bond notes gore gongwe Tona, ke go leboge gore kopo ya gago o e dirile go le lefatshe la rona le a nyelela, Pula e a tsamaya, re ya go maleba. Re lebaganwe ke kgwetlho, maloba re ne re sa dirisa bond notes. O a bona gore tota thuto fa e seyo, ba tswa go go neela tetla ya gore o ka dira eng ka Mid-Term le bantsi ba ka tloga ba etsaetsega. Gongwe fa o ka ruta, Review, mme ga re ka ke ra tsaya lesole ra le isa ntweng, wa tsena mo Batswaneng gore ba kgone to benefit, this ra se ka ra le neela ditlhabani. Ka jalo, ke yone tsela will be very good.

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Sengwe se ke batlang go se bua, madi a re tlaabong re Services when the Kanye sewage project is scheduled to a adima ao, a re tseneng mo dikgannyeng tsa Research be completed and to state if: and Development (R&D) and innovate. Jaaka re ne ra supa, institutions tsa rona maloba di supile gore (i) the date varies from the original one; if yes, why with the little that we have, we can do a lot. Let us do and the cost implications; R&D, re neele institutions tsa rona madi, di dire dilo (ii) all the people affected by the project have been that Batswana can benefit mo go tsone. Ke rotloetse compensated; and Batswana gore, we should not just compete le mafatshe a mangwe ka dilo di santse di simolola. A re direng tsa (iii) those retrenched have been compensated. rona. Bangwe ba ne ba kgobotletsa bana maloba fa go na le sengwe se re neng re se dirile kwa university. I will MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER talk about an electric car. E rile fela go santse go dirwa AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): a prototype, ke fa e le gore Facebook and every other Thank you Mr Speaker. people le bangwe mo Palamenteng, ba kgala bana; kids! Mr Speaker, the Construction of Kanye Village Mo e leng gore you were killing the self-esteem of those Sanitation Scheme is planned to be completed in March kids. Bana ba teng le gompieno fa o bua ka kgang eo, 2023. ba tshabela kgakala. Let us believe in ourselves. Madi ao a dirisiwe mo R&D. Ministry o tshwana le wa rona (i) Mr Speaker, the contract for the Construction of Kanye Village Sanitation Scheme commenced wa Tertiary Education, o neelwe madi, re kgone go isa in October 2015 and was initially planned to be madi mo R&D. I know it is very difficult to convince a completed in March 2019. Funds were not availed Motswana a le kwa Ditladi, a batla tsela gore a mme at the beginning of the contract until the 2016 o ka a isa kwa R&D mme morago o tlaa bona dipoelo budget. The project completion date was then tsa yone. Ka a le kalo, I support Tona. Ke a leboga extended by six months to September 2019. The Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. completion date for the project was later extended to March 2023 mainly due the prevalence of rock MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai followed by formations in Kanye which has been experienced Honourable Manake. during construction. MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Tanki Mr Mr Speaker, the Geotechnical Investigation Speaker. Ke leboge Tona Matsheka. Ke go leboge jaana Report conducted by Africon Consultants at pre- Morolong gore fa re ntse re kopane re ja dikgang, ke construction stage anticipated 8 per cent of the lemoga o le motho yo o boi mo go direng dilo tse di total excavation to be rock which worked out to seyong mo tseleng. be 274,000 m3 of rock excavation. However, at the MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, end of September 2019, an amount of 399,000 m3 we have done two hours, let us break both for COVID of rock had been excavated while only 30 per cent and lunch. When we come back, Motsamai will be the of the sewerage works had been completed. first person to resume the floor. Estate Construction (Pty) Ltd reported possibility PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:04 P.M. FOR of more rock existence than the anticipated 8 APPROXIMATELY 59 MINUTES per cent, based on what they were experiencing during constructions. Wellfield Engineering (Pty) PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 2:03 P.M. Ltd in association with PN Consultants (Pty) Ltd conducted a re-evaluation of the volume of rock MR SPEAKER: Good afternoon Honourable Members. excavation and projected 980,000m3 of rock as Let us resume our business of today with questions. being outstanding to be excavated. The analysis QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER indicated that it will take the contractor 42 months to excavate the remaining rocks hence the COMPLETION OF KANYE SEWAGE PROJECT extension of time to 31st March, 2023.

MR S. J. BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): asked The project is currently at 67.5 per cent completion the Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation

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with civil works completed in all three lift stations, to COVID-19 protocols i.e. social distancing and eight pump stations, three vacuum stations and the had redeployed some of the workers laid off. The treatment works. The electrical works are 45 per re-engaging of the labour is an ongoing exercise cent complete and the mechanical installations and workers are recruited as more fronts are open. will follow. The total length of pipeline to be laid About 70 per cent of the staff has been recalled is about 412 kilometres (km) and approximately and when opening new fronts, priority is given 160 km has already been laid leaving a balance to those who were retrenched. I thank you Mr of 251 km. Speaker.

Mr Speaker, another impediment to the progress MR MOTAOSANE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr of the construction works is the source of burrow Speaker. Honourable Minister, project e ke nngwe ya tse material for backfilling material. Unfortunately, ditona mo lefatsheng, mme ke ne ke utlwa golo gongwe there was no nearby burrow pit in the o bua gore go kile ga nna le ditiego tse go neng ga se ka neighbourhood of Kanye and that burrow material ga duelwa rakonteraka ka nako, a bo a tsaya tshwetso had to be imported from commercial sources in ya gore a fokotse dinao tsa gagwe mo go itlhaganeleng. Lobatse some 62 km away. Mabaka a gore a bo a ne a sa duelwe ke eng?

Mr Speaker, the above mentioned two factors that Sabobedi, a mo nakong e a e filweng, his extension of caused extension of completion date, have been time, a fa o reconcile le the 399 cubic of rock e o neng o time consuming and their attendant cost to the bua ka yone, a fa o lebeletse the 42 days, ke eng weeks, project construction is P1,193,706,122.30. The yo o buang ka ene, would it be enough go kgona to cover extension has additional cost on rock excavation nako e le e beileng mo the extended time? Tanki Tona. at P661 875 300.00, burrow material at P399 601 257.00 and running cost and other costs at P132 MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Ke gore se 229 565.30. Mr Speaker, it is worth noting that the ke neng ke se bua ke gore rakonteraka ene o duetswe ka original amount for the project construction sum fa tumalanong. Tumalano e ne e le gore madi otlhe a a was P707 046 930.32 and has now come to P1 900 yang go a duelwa ke P707 046 930.32. Re mo duetse. 753 052.62. Kgang ke gore tiro yone ga e a wela. Ga e a wela ka gore e rile ba kanoka kana ba abelela gore selekanyo sa (ii) Mr Speaker, the process of compensation of matlapa ka fa tlase ga lefatshe se tlaabo se le bokae, ba affected properties is an on-going exercise. se ka ba abelela sentle, ba se ka ba dira ditshekatsheko Only 40 per cent of the affected plots have sentle kana ba akanyetsa sentle, mme ke tsaya gore mo been assessed and 598 property owners were sebakeng sa gompieno, re mo duetse sengwe le sengwe paid while 38 rejected their compensation. As ka fa konterakeng, kgang ke gore tiro ga e a wela. at now, an amount of P5 286 056.24 has been Jaanong ka gore tiro ga e a wela, re tshwanetse go senka paid out. The assessment of properties is carried madi gore tiro e wele, ka gore jaaka ke ne ke bua, re out progressively in consultation with the land tlhoka P1 900 753 052.62 gore tiro e wele. board. Some of the affected property owners do not accept the amounts and these are negotiated Potso ya bobedi ke ne ka re 42 months yo o lebeletse with the owners through landboard. The ministry gore ka jaanong re tswa go tsaya ba bangwe bomankge continues to liaise with Ngwaketse Land Board to ba dikgang tsa go abelela gore selekanyo sa matlapa e bring the property owners for negotiation. ka nna bokae ka fa tlase ga lefatshe ba le babedi, bone ba tswa go bua gore selekanyo ga se tle go nna 274 (iii) Mr Speaker, the contractor received their last 000 cubic metres jaaka go ne go akanyeditswe kwa payment in October 2019 and decided to slow tshimologong. Selekanyo se ya go nna 980 000 cubic down the works by retrenching 60 per cent of metres ya matlapa. Jaanong selekanyo se se ya go tlhoka their personnel in February 2020. The contractor dikgwedi di le 42. I thank you Mr Speaker. after receiving the outstanding payments resumed works but was forced to shut down again due MR LETSHOLO: Supplementary. Ke a leboga to the COVID-19 lockdowns. On resumption Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Honourable of works, the contractor has structured his own Brooks, setshwarwa ke ntša pedi ga se thata. Tona, ka work by opening some selected sites to conform project yone e e ntse e tsweletse, gongwe o re tlhalosetse

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fela gore fa e tla go wela, a mme kwa Kanye ka gone Goromente fa re bona gore re tlhoka setsha seo, re a se ditsha di ntse di a tswelela di teng, a le tse disha di tlaabo tsaya, mme dipuisano kana dikgang tsa dikgotlatshekelo di ntse di le mo moalong o o dirwang gompieno jaana, di tsweletse. Re tsaya setsha, re bo re tswelela re buisana kana e lebile fela tse di leng teng gompieno? le wena, kana re tsaya setsha, re bo re tswelela re seka le wena, mme setsha re a se tsaya. Kwa pheletsong ya Sabobedi, o tlhalose gore project e e amana jang le ya letsatsi fa e le gore dipuisano di a pala, re a se tsaya. moalo o o onetseng kwa Kanye wa dipompo tsa metsi, kwa o tsamayang teng gompieno gantsi re nna re bona Jaanong mabaka a a dirang gore Batswana ba se ka ba metsi a a dutlang ka gore moalo wa teng wa dipompo dumalana le rona ke gore, seelo se re se beileng kana se tse, o tsofetse, jaanong e yone e amana jang? Tse di re se ipeetseng, sa go kanoka gore re tshwanetse re go dutlang yone, e tlaa goroga leng? Ke a leboga. duele bokae, re dirile seelo sa teng kana se dirilwe ke MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Ke tseela bomankge ba rona, ba ya go abelela le go kanoka gore gore dipalo kana selekanyo sa ditsha tse di yang go tlhwatlhwa ya lefatshe kana tlhwatlhwa ya ditlhabololo thusiwa ke tlhabololo e, ke dipalo tsa nako e re neng tsa gago, e tshwanetse gore e nne bokae. Jaanong bontsi re simolola tlhabololo e. Tse di tsileng kwa morago, jwa batho ba itela ka dipalo tsa bone kana bomankge re tshwanetse go bona gore re ya go tla re oketsa jang, ba bone, go bo go sa tsamaelane. Jaanong fa go sa mme kana tlhabololo e e ntseng jaana, ke tlhabololo tsamaelane gone foo, ke gone fa go palang. e mo tsamaong ya nako, fa ditsha di ntse di oketsega, re tshwanetse go bona gore re di gokelela jang. Mo Gongwe rona ka tebo ya rona re tlaabo re re re go neela go botlhokwa ke gore go nne le moalo wa kgopo ya P100,000, mme Motswana ene a bo a re o batla P10 metsi a a leswe, gore re tsenye plots tse dingwe kana re million. Ke gone mo go padisang dipuisano tsa rona. Ke oketse plots, ga e ka ke ya nna bothata fa e le gore kwa tseela gore bontsi jwa nako Batswana ba a reetsa, mme tshimologong go na le moalo oo. go na le ba ba sa reetseng fa re bua ka kgang ya gore Potso ya bobedi o ne o botsa gore tlhabololo e e ditlhabololo tse re di tsenyang di mosola mo go mongwe tsamaelanang le ya kanamo kana gore re ya go dira jang le mongwe, le wena, o le mo teng mong wa setsha, ka ka phatlalatso ya metsi kwa Kanye; ke ditlhabololo tse di gore di mo tikologong ya gago. farologanyeng. Re ikaeletse go simolola thulaganyo ya Kwa pheletsong ya letsatsi, re leka go buisana le bone, phatlalatso ya metsi, kana distribution network ya metsi mme fa go pala re a se tsaya. Ke a leboga. a re a bitsang potable water ka Sekgoa kana metsi a a mo seemong sa gore a ka dirisiwa ke batho ka ngwaga EXTENT OF EARLY AND UNINTENDED wa madi o o tlang wa 2021/2022. Ke ditlhabololo tse di PREGNANCIES IN BOTSWANA farologanyeng. Ke a leboga. MR TSHERE: Supplementary. Thank you very MS T. MONNAKGOTLA (KGALAGADI NORTH): much Honourable Speaker and thank you very much to ask the Minister of Basic Education to apprise this Honourable Mzwinila, the largest spender in this is Honourable House on: Government. Potso ya me ke gore, ke utlwile o bua ka batho ba le 38 ba e rileng fa le re le ba fa madinyana (i) the extent of early and unintended pregnancies gore le tsere ditsha tsa bone ba bo ba gana. Jaanong ke in the country, indicating how many (in absolute batla go botsa gore le a tle le dire jang fa go ntse jalo numbers) girls have dropped out of school due to Tona? Re utlwile fela o re ba ganne, mme le dira jang fa pregnancy in the past five years (2015-2019) and ba ganne le gore ke eng Batswana ba gana fa go tla mo the most affected regions; dikgannyeng tse? Thank you. (ii) how many dropouts at (i) above have returned to MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Potso ya school in the past five years; and ntlha ke gore re di jang; re a buisana go fitlhelela go wela. Ga re lape go buisana le batho ka dikgang tsa (iii) the interventions in place at schools to prevent and ditsha tsa bone. Kwa pheletsong ya letsatsi, fa e le gore manage pregnancy cases and what comprehensive dipuisanyo di a pala, re tsaya setsha ka mo gotweng strategy is in place to respond to this situation. compulsory acquisition ka Sekgoa kana re tsaya setsha ka fa go kwadilweng mo setlankaneng gore re le Later Date.

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STATUS OF PALAPYE GLASS PROJECT gore go dirwe tshekatsheko e e tseneletseng kwa teng gore bothata jo bo tsalwa ke eng. E rile ka ngwaga wa MR K. NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): 2013 botsamaisi jwa BDC, ba tsaya tshwetso ya gore asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry to: kompone e e phatlalatswe. Tshwetso e e ne e tsewa (i) update this Honourable House on the status of the ka fa molaong, ka molao wa dikompone, Companies Palapye Glass Project; Act. Tshwetso e e ne e tsewa go sena go nna go dirwa tshekatsheko e e tseneletseng kwa teng, e go neng go (ii) state if there are any efforts of resuscitating the hirilwe kompone ya badupi ba dibuka ba ba bitswang project; if yes, what will be the cost; and if no, gotwe Grant Thornton, ba ba neng ba tla ka karabo what does the Minister intend to do to ensure ya gore, kgwebo e le fa e ka nna teng, ga e ka ke ya that glass is produced locally given that we nna le dipoelo tse di kalokalo. Tshekatsheko e e neng have the requisite raw materials to produce such e dirwa ke Grant Thornton e ne e ama tse di latelang, commodity. go ne go lebilwe boitseanape gore a mme kompone e e na le boitseanape jo bo nang le bokamoso, technical ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, viability, tiriso ya ditsatlholego tse gotweng di tlaa TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke dirisiwa go dira galase, a ke tsone tse di tshwanetseng a leboga Mr Speaker, ke lebogela Mopalamente Rre galase e e batliwang, boleng jwa machine e e neng e tla Nkawana potso e. Mr Speaker, kompone ya Botswana ka ba Fengyue gore a machines ya teng e ka ikemela Development Corporation (BDC) ya Goromente lebaka, design; gore fa e setse e simolotse e bereka e wa Botswana, e tsene mo tirisanong le kompone e e dira galase, e na le boleng jo bo kae jo bo ka nnang bitswang gotwe Shanghai Fengyue Glass Company lebaka le le kae. Go ne gape go lebilwe le tshekatsheko (Pty) Ltd, ka maikaelelo a go dira kgwebo ya go dira ya gore a mo papading kompone e e ka sima, e ka ema digalase. ka boyone. Se se ne se dirwa go lebilwe mo gotweng Dikompone tseo ka bobedi, BDC le Fengyue Glass market study, gore mo Kgaolong ya Borwa jwa Aforika, di ne tsa dira kompone e gotweng Fengyue Glass a di teng dikompone tsa go nna jalo, gore go raya eng Manufacturing Botswana ka ngwaga wa 2007. BDC e go tsaya galase e re e ntsha kwa e tlaabong e le teng, re ne ya nna le diabe di le masome a mane le boraro mo e isa kwa mmarakeng. Tsa madi, go tsena le go tswa ga lekgolong (43 per cent), fa ya Shanghai Fengyue e ne madi mo komponeng e, gore a mme go maleba, go ka ya nna le diabe di le masome a matlhano le bosupa mo dira gore kompone e e itshetele, ditlhwatlhwa tsa galase lekgolong (57 per cent). Kompone ya BDC e ne ya mo mmarakeng le gore mo papading go na le bafe ba ba tsenya madi a a kana ka P511 million, e le a go duela ka nkgisanang magwafa le kompone e mo mmarakeng diabe, go adima kompone e ntšha ya Fengyue Glass mo kgaolong e, mo go rayang gore go lebilwe le ba ba Manufacturing Botswana madi, a ka Sekgoa gotweng dirang digalase kwa ntleng ga kompone e. loan le go duela diabe tse di faphegileng tse ka Sekgoa di bitswang preference shares. Kompone ya Shanghai Go ne ga tsewa tshwetso ya gore kompone e phatlalatswe, Fengyue e ne ya tsenya madi a a kana ka P113 million lekgotlatshekelo la dumalana la ba la ntsha tshwetso mo kgwebong e. gore e phatlalatswe ka October 2013. Tsotlhe tse di neng di le ka fa tlase ga kompone e, di ne tsa rekisiwa ka Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, kgwebo e e ne ngwaga wa March 2016. e tla ka gore go ne go dirilwe tshekatsheko, e e neng ya supa gore go na le tlhaelo e e kwa godimo ya didirisiwa Mr Speaker, Goromente wa Botswana o sekaseka go tsa kago mo Southern Africa, mme segolobogolo tsosa kgwebo e ya go dira digalase gape, mme fa re leng go tlhaela galase. Tshekatsheko e e ne ya supa gore teng fano fa, go dirwa tshekatsheko e e tseneletseng kwa kgwebo ya galase, e ka dira dipoelo fela tse dintsi tse teng ya gore go bonwe gore fa e ka tsosiwa, e ka lopa di gakgamatsang, segolobogolo ka gore mo lefatsheng Goromente madi a a kae. la Botswana go ne go na le ditsatlholego tse di neng di ka dira galase. Mo godimo ga moo, kompone ya BDC ya ga Goromente e bua le bangwe, bangwe ba supile kgatlhego ya go Ka bomadimabe Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, dirisa lefelo leo go dira dikgwebo tse di farologaneng. ya re go ntse go tsweletswe ga nna le bothatanyana jwa Jaaka ba Botswana Railways (BR), ba supile gore ba tsamaiso ya kompone e. Se sa dira gore go dumalanwe ka dirisa lefelo leo go dira matoroko a diterena kana go

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baakanya matoroko a diterena. Ba Debswana ba supile MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Mopalamente yo gore ba ka dirisa lefelo leo go dira digalase kana to o tlotlegang. Dipotso tsa gago di dintsi, mme fa ke recycle digalase. ka lebala e nngwe, o tlaa nkgakolola. Potso e ke e tshwereng ke gore ke eng re tsenya madi a a kanakana, Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re le Goromente like re tikile masogo ka madi; ke tlhalositse gore go ne re tlhaloganya gore go na le dilo tsa tlholego tse di ka go dirilwe tshekatsheko, mme ka bomadimabe fa go ntse dirang galase, tse di santseng di le foo. Ka go rialo, go tsweletswe, go bo go fitlhelwa go na le ditsamaiso Goromente o tsweletse ka go sekaseka maano a gore dingwe tse di sa nnang sentle, tse di neng di dira gore kgwebo ya go dira galase e ka dirwa mo lefatsheng la gongwe project e ka nna ya wela ka lemena. E ne e le Botswana. Ke a leboga. tshwetso e e siameng sentle go emisa gone foo ka gore MR NKAWANA: Supplementary Mr Speaker. Ke a fa re ne re ka tlogela, gongwe re ne re ka tla ra jewa leboga. Ke botse Tona gore, a ke mo utlwa sentle fa a re madi a mantsi a a fetang ao. Tshekatsheko eo e thusitse mogwebi wa galase yo o neng a tswa kwa China le mo rraetsho. file madi a a kana ka P500 million le mo adima, e bile le Potso e nngwe ke gore go na le dilo dingwe tse di ka mo fileshares tse di fetang tsa lona, e le 57 per cent rona tswang di setse… re na le 43 per cent? A ke go utlwa sentle, le gore le ne le lebile eng Tona? Ke a leboga. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… …Silence… MR MOLEBATSI: Go ne go rekisiwa eng? Ka ke MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister. potso e nngwe e ntsha, gongwe e ne e batla go botswa gore ke go fe karabo e e tlhapileng, e e lolameng, mme MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke ne gone go rekisitswe. Ditshipi tse ke neng ke bua ka tsone, ke emetse gore o ntshupe. Nnyaa, Mopalamente yo o tse di tswang kwa China, containers le cranes tse di tlotlegang, ga o a nkutlwa sentle. Ke rile BDC, e tsentse neng di le koo, di ne tsa rekisiwa. Ga ke itse fa go na le madi a a kanang ka P511 million; e duela diabe tsa yone e bo e neela kompone e loan, gape e duela diabe tse di tse di setseng, mme mma ke go kope motlotlegi… faphegileng tse gotweng preference shares. Kompone HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… ya Shanghai Fengyue yone e tsentse madi a a kanang ka P113 million. E nngwe e tsentse P511, e nngwe P113. MR MOLEBATSI: Ka ke potso e nngwe, gongwe e ka Ke a leboga. tla ka nako ya yone, ke ka go neela karabo e e lolameng.

MR GREEFF: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary Mr Speaker. Tona, ke batla re simolola fa bothateng jwa Speaker. kompone le sena go tsaya P511 million, le bo le a tsenya MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary, Honourable kwa komponeng eo ya digalase. Wa re bothatanyana jo Lesaso. e ne e le eng? MR LESASO: Thank you Mr Speaker. Tona, kana o Sa bobedi ke gore, fa le tsaya madi a a kanakana le bo ne o balolola tsotlhe tse e rileng BDC e tsaya tshwetso le ya go a tshela mo project e le sa sekaseka pele gore a mme golo mo go tlaa nna le dipoelo, a o a tlhaloganya ya go tswelela le project e, ba ne ba sa di sekaseka. gore madi a a P511 million, a gompieno jaana mo Bontsi jwa tsone bo feta tse o neng o di bua gore di ne di National Development Plan (NDP) 11, rona kwa siametse project go dirwa. Jaanong potso ke gore BDC Gaborone Bonnington South, ga go na le fa e le sepe se e tswa kgakala e le mo go direng projects, a ga o lemoge se teng? A ne a ka dira ditiro tse di kae kwa kgaolong gore golo mo e neng e go dira gompieno e senya madi a ya rona ya Gaborone Bonnington South? Re tshelela mo lefatshe le, e ne e le mo re ka go bitsang bofafalele kana lefifing le mo leroleng, fa pula e na, re a sokola. negligence mo go senyetseng setšhaba sa Botswana? Mo go yone tshenyo e e kalo, le ne la tsaya kgato efe go Sa bofelo, re bolelele gore a wa re go na le dilo dingwe bona gore ba ba neng ba amana le tshenyetso-setšhaba tse le neng le di rekisa, go rekisitswe tsa bokae? Go setse bokae mo P511 million yoo le gore madi a a e le go tlhoka boikarabelo mo go boneng gore tiro e, setseng, Batswana ba ya go a bona jang ka gore re batla pele ga go tsenngwa madi a a kanakana mo go yone, ba ditlhabololo kwa kgaolong? tseelwa dikgato tse di siameng?

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: O mo mathateng. appointment. Go ne go dirwa direct appointment ka gore nako yone eo mo motseng oo, go ne go MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. BDC ke sena diofisi dipe tsa maemo a diofisi tse di neng mmeeletsi. Fa o beeletsa mo kgwebong, go nna le gore di tshwerwe ke Macheng Investments. Go ne go ka diragala gore peeletso ya gago e se ka ya tsamaya ga dirwa direct appointment ka gore ka nako e sentle. Ke tsaya gore ke nngwe ya dikai tse mo BDC ba go neng go hirisiwa, go ne go sena ope gape wa tlhokileng lesego ga se ka ga tsamaya sentle. Se ke ka diofisi tsa seemo sone seo. Re ne ra isa maphata a se tlhomamisang ke gore go ne go dirilwe tshekatsheko rona a le mabedi kwa diofising tseo ka gore kwa pele ga gone. Re a itse, le Honourable Ramogapi o go neng go dirwa teng kwa Rural Administration tlhotse a bua letsatsi le lotlhe gore re tlhoka go dira Centre (RAC), go ne go tletse. Re ne re na le madirelo a digalase. Re a itse gore re na le se se ka babereki ba le 13, mme ba tlhoka diofisi. Re ne ra dirang digalase, mme fa go diragetseng phoso teng, go tshwanelwa ke gore re ba fudusetse koo gore ba a diragala. Le dibanka di tle di ntshe madi di re di ya go kgone gore ba thuse setšhaba sentle, ba nne le fa thusa golo gongwe di dirile tshekatsheko, mme go se ke ba ka berekelang teng. Gape le gore batlhophi ba go tsamaye sentle. gago Honourable Member, ba kgone go thusiwa Rra, ga ke itse fa go ne go supafala gore e ne e le sentle. Ke gone jaaka re ne ra tsaya tshwetso gore tshenyetso-setšhaba. Fa e ne e le tshenyetso-setšhaba, re ba fudusetse gone koo. go na le makalana a a dirisiwang mo lefatsheng le go e Mr Speaker, lease e e simolotse ka 1st April, 2017, sala morago. Gongwe fa o belaela gore ke tshenyetso- mme e ya go fela ka 31st March, 2022. Rente e setšhaba, ke sengwe se o ka se dirang ka go ya kwa e duelwang e a sekasekwa mo dingwageng tse makalaneng a teng. Ke a leboga. pedi dingwe le dingwe mo go five years yo. E st LEASING OF OFFICES FROM THE PRIVATE sekasekilwe la bofelo ka 1 July, 2019. Go ne go SECTOR IN GHANZI AND KGALAGADI duelwa madi a a kanang ka P47.50 per square DISTRICTS metre, mo go neng go dira gore madi ao otlhe go duelwe rente ya P15,364 per month. MR M. G. J. MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Mr Speaker, go simolola ka ngwaga wa 2001 go to state: ema ka 2017, makalana a lephata le a a neng a le koo, e ne e le ba Cooperative Development le (i) if her ministry is leasing offices from the private Trade and Consumer Affairs. Ke tsone tse di neng sector in Ghanzi and Kgalagadi Districts; if yes, tsa fiwa boroko kwa Rural Administration Centre what are the names of those companies or lessors; (RAC) offices.

(ii) the method employed to lease the said offices from (iii) Mr Speaker, rente e ga e gope kgakala kana the private sector in Ghanzi and Kgalagadi; and ga e kwa mankalengnkaleng; ke rente e e e e tlwaelesegileng ya fa gare ga P40.00 to P60.00 (iii) the rental amounts in each case. per square metre. Ke e e tlwaelesegileng, ga go ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, a direlwa ope sepe se se sa tlwaelesegang. Ke a TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke leboga Mr Speaker. a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Rraetsho, ke utlwa o bua o bo o araba le tse ke (i) Honourable Motsamai, mo gompienong, lephata sa di botsang… la rona le hirisitse diofisi kwa Hukuntsi mo Kgalagadi District, e seng kwa Ghanzi. Le hirisitse HONOURABLE MEMBERS: … (Laughter!)… diofisi tse mo komponeng e gotweng Macheng Investments for dingwaga tse five. MR MOTSAMAI: …tsa gore ga go a direlwa ope favour, ga ke bue ka favours. Gongwe jaaka lease e (ii) Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, diofisi kgona go dirwa, e tla e sekasekwa ka gore go tlhagoga tse fa di ne di hirisiwa, di ne di hirisiwa go dilo tse dingwe kwa morago, Batswana ba bangwe le setswe morago melawana ya Public Procurement bone ba tlhagoga kwa morago, ba na le boleng gongwe and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) ya direct jo bo fetang jo bo leng teng. Fa le ntse le lebeletse rent

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ka gore wa re le e sekaseka morago ga dingwaga tse le gore o na le se o se itseng se farologane le se ke se pedi, fa e le gore ke go utlwile sentle, a le lebelela le boleletsweng, gore e ne e le tsone fela, e ka nna potso e lebaka la lease? Le gore le ya go dira jang mo nakong nngwe. O ka e tlisa, ra e bua. Ke a leboga. e e tlang gore e se ka ya re le tlola fela gongwe la bo le dira lease ya lebaka le leele, e e tlaa le kgoreletsang gore MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary. Mr Speaker ke fa gare fa go diragala sengwe, le kgone go se lebelela? utlwela Minister botlhoko, o a ne a mpitsa Mokhanselara, o a ne a bua ka gore madi a rente ga a ntshe mokola. Ga Kwa bofelong ke utlwile o bua kgang ya gore go ne ke ise ke bue ka madi, ga ke Mokhanselara, mme legale go sa lebelelwa sepe, go ne go dirwa gore Batswana ga ke mo tshwae phoso, o tshositswe ke potso. Rraetsho, ba bone ditirelo. Fa le tsweletse ka leasing, le tsaya kana ka re le tsaya matsapa afe go simolola gompieno, matsapa afe a gore Batswana ba o buang ka bone, ba go itsese Batswana ba bangwe gore go na le tiragalo e bangwe ba itse gore go batliwa matlo kana diofisi tse e ntseng jaana? Ga ke a re a le ne le bapaditse pele gore di ka hirisiwang, gore gongwe e se ka ya nna kgang e mongwe le mongwe a itepe lesego. Ke go utlwile fa o o kareng you have been programmed, le lebagane le simolola o re lefelo leo e ne e le lone la boleng jo bo Motswana a le mongwe fela, yo le bonang gore gongwe tlhokwang ka nako eo. Jaanong reetsa gore ke go botsa ke ene a tlhokang go hirisediwa structures tsa gagwe? jang Minister, ga ke Mokhanselara. Tanki. Ke a leboga. MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Honourable Member, MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa o intshwarele go go bitsa Mokhanselara, kana ke gore o Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga Mokhanselara… ntse lebaka le leele kwa khanseleng. Ka bokhutshwane ke gore, ka molao wa PPADB, go ntshiwe tender gore HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… ba bangwe ba itse gore Goromente o tlhoka lefelo le a ka dirang diofisi kwa go lone. Ke dumela gore ka fa ke MR MOLEBATSI: …Mopalamente yo o tlotlegang. go utlwang ka teng, go raya gore go na le bangwe ba Kwa pheleletsong, ke ne ke bua gore se se duelwang ba setseng ba agile, ba ba nang le dikago tsa seemo se se fa gare ga se se letlelelwang ke Puso, kana se se mo Goromente a ka tsenang mo go sone. Go tlaa dirwa gone market rate. Ke ne ke re re duela P47.50 per square mo go ntseng jalo. Ga gore go dirwe tender, be publicised, metre, mme se se letlelelwang ke fa gare ga P40.00 le e tsenngwe mo Gazette kana kwa e tshwanetseng gore e P60.00, ka jalo go mo mading a a letlelesegang gore a isiwe teng, gore mongwe le mongwe a tle go ipapatsa or ka duelwa. to bid. Ke a leboga.

Ya bobedi, ke lebaka la lease kana length of lease e o AVAILABILITY OF COMMUNITY BASED neng o e bua. Kana re a buisanya le rrakgwebo re le NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGEMENT Goromente, re na le boikarabelo jwa gore re rotloetse (CBNRM) PROJECTS IN LERALA- dikgwebo. Ga re ka ke ra tsena re fitlhela motho a agile, MAUNATLALA CONSTITUENCY AND e bo re batla gore re tseye six months kana ngwaga fela. GREATER TSWAPONG REGION Re tshwanetse re mo fe business e a kgonang gore a itshetse, a duele costs tsa gore a bo a dirile fela jalo. Ga MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON ke dumele gore lebaka la dingwaga tse five ke lebaka SOUTH): asked the Minister of Environment, Natural le le tshwenyang. Ke tsaya gore le mo market go ntse Resources Conservation and Tourism whether there are fela jalo, gantsi leases tsa businesses e nna lebaka le le any Community Based Natural Resources Management kalo. Ke rile madi a a duelwang re a sekaseka dingwaga (CBNRM) projects available in Lerala-Maunatlala tse pedi, re a boela, re bona gore a mme re santse re le Constituency and greater Tswapong Region; if any, to gone foo. E le go direla gore le rona re se ka ra dira gore state: motho yo re batlang go mo thusa a salele kwa morago (i) how many are currently running and in which ka dituelo tse di mo mmarakeng. villages; E nngwe ke ya gore a go ne go le transparent, a bagwebi (ii) what has been the impact of these projects on the ba bangwe ba ne ba le foo kana market o ne o itse gore Tswapong Region; a Puso e batla diofisi tsa go nna jalo? Fa ke simolola ke rile go ne go le diofisi tsa maemo one ao, e le tsone (iii) communities’ terms of employment, financial tse di nosi tsa kompone ya Matsheng Investment. Fa e returns and quality of life; and

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(iv) further the level of implementation of the Eco- Malaka-phothophotho Conservation Trust is engaged tourism Strategic Plan in the Tswapong Region. in a project aimed at developing tourism activities anchored on the Old Palapye ruins. The Department of MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL Museum and National Monuments is in the process of RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM developing a site museum at Old Palapye, which will (MS KERENG): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke dumedise enhance visitor experience. Campsite facilities are Ntlo e motshegareng ono. being developed which will be completed by December (i) Mr Speaker, there are three Community Based 2020, to cater for visitors coming to the place. Currently, Natural Resources Management projects the project does not have permanent employees as it is (CBNRM) projects in the Lerala-Maunatlala still at infancy stage. However, it has generated a total Constituency, tsone ke Kgetsi ya Tsie, Tswapong amount of P110, 000 mainly through entrance fees to Hills, Women’s Resource Enterprise Community the Old Palapye site. The development of both Goo- Trust called (KYT) based in Lerala village. Moremi resorts and campsite facilities Mr Speaker, at E nngwe ke Moremi, Manonnye Community the Old Palapye, provides an opportunity for both the Conservation Trust e e kwa Goo Moremi Village. community and the country to engage in tourism values E nngwe ke Malaka, Phothophotho Community chains as I have already alluded before. Based Trust e e kwa Malaka. Kgetsi ya Tsie Primary In terms of income generation, year end as at March source of income is through the utilisation of veld 2018, a total amount of P3, 881, 501 was generated. By products while the other two community based the end of 2019, P4, 916, 714 was generated, while at organisations utilise heritage areas within their the end of March 2020, P5, 099, 416 was generated. vicinity for tourism purposes. Kgetsi ya Tsie’s main project is processing morula plant to produce Mr Speaker, as stated earlier, Malaka Community Trust morula oil for both domestic and export purposes. does not have permanent employees but it has generated This is a Trust with a membership of 832 women amount of P110, 000 during the 2017-2019 year, mainly operating in 26 villages around Tswapong. The through entrance fees as I said to the Old Palapye Site. Trust members use the morula to improve their livelihoods by supplying the Trust with morula (iv) The Botswana Tourism Organisation (BTO) kennels, which are processed into oil and other continues to support other projects that are in line with products. Other additional income generation the eco-tourism strategy such as the development of activities from the morula fruit is the production the Lentswe la Batswapong Cultural Festival, as well of the morula traditional beer. Six employees are as providing information and training on eco-tourism employed by the Trust. to the communities in the Tswapong Region. We also believe that the programme on Community Based (ii) At Moremi/Manonnye Community Conservation Natural Resource Management (CBNRM) is going to Trust Mr Speaker, the Trust has signed a partnership assist more communities and provide more capacity to with the Botswana Tourism Organisation for the existing Trusts to do more activities and improve the development and management of Goo- their product. Thank you Mr Speaker. Moremi Resort. Ke tsaya gore re a e itse, re ntse re e etela. The main developments have been HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. accommodation facilities comprising of eight MR SPEAKER: One and only supplementary. chalets and eight executive tents, a restaurant, gate house, staff village and ablution facilities. The MR GREEFF: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Minister. development of Goo-Moremi Resort provides an Ke botsa ka Kgetsi ya Tsie ka gore go lebega e sa gole, opportunity for both the community and the rest e eme golo go le gongwefela. Le e thusa jang kana o of the country to engage in tourism value, chain dirisanya le maphata a mangwe jang go bona gore activities such as tour operations, bringing people project e ya Batswana le e ema nokeng gore e gole? to view the area and with provision of agricultural supply… to the restaurants from producers around MS KERENG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Tota e bile the area. The project currently employs a total of fa o bua ka yone project ya Kgetsi ya Tsie, e kile ya re 38 staff members; 23 from Goo-Moremi village nako nngwe ke santse ke bereka, e bo e le project nngwe and 15 from the other areas. e ke neng ke e tsamaisa, re di thusa jalo ke le project

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officer. Selo se re se lemogileng Mr Speaker, ke gore MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister projects tse di tsamaisiwang ke Trusts, dingwe tsa tsone of Local Government and Rural Development to explain di phutlhame, dingwe ga di kgone gore di dire mananeo the contract entered into between Botswana Post and a a ka ba tsamaisang kwa pele kana a ba direla letseno la his ministry and the third party; Choppies, regarding madi le le lekanetseng. Jaanong re le lephata re dira gore disbursement of social grants through Choppies and to re tle re nonotshe the CBNRM programme, gore lenaneo state: leo le nne le bokgoni jwa go ka tsosolosa, natlafatsa kana go tokafatsa bokgoni jwa Trusts, go tsosolosiwe (i) if he is aware of unfair competition brought by tse di oleng, tse di senang bokgoni di thusiwe. Re itse the third party (Botswana Post) through engaging gore mo dingwageng Trusts tse di ntse di thusiwa ke Choppies alone, leaving other chain stores or the Technical Advisory Committee, e e kwa the local shops; authorities, e le yone e tlhokang thuso ya gore ba nne (ii) if the answer to (i) is affirmative, what is he doing le botsipa kana capacity e e lekaneng. Re tlaabo re to remedy the situation, providing timelines; remeletse mo go direng capacity improvement go kgona gore ba dire kgwebo e e tseneletseng, e tsamaisa madi (iii) if the answer to (i) is contrary, why then Choppies gore ditirelo tsa kgwebo e nne tse di nonofileng. Ke is awarded the monopoly and was there any tender dumela gore ka lenaneo le, re batla go thusa gore mo advertised; if not, why not; mading a re a dirisang to fund kana go thusa ba Trusts, (iv) why it seems like the beneficiaries are tempted, go ntse go le dingalo go ka bona madi ao. Re a go lured or indirectly forced to buy from Choppies. tlhofofatsa ditsamaiso gore ba se ka ba sokodisiwa ke go bona madi. Madi mangwe a re tlaabong re a dirisa gone Later Date. foo, ke a go simolodisa ba ba batlang go simolola, so that we can improve access kana re godise access gore TABLING OF PAPERS batho ba kgone go simolodisa dikgwebo tsa bojanala. The following papers were tabled: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. NATIONAL ENERGY POLICY MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, question Number six by Honourable Mmolotsi will be (Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and moved to tomorrow. We move on to Question Without Energy Security) Notice. MINERALS POLICY IMPLEMENTATION OF THE USE OF INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES IN SCHOOLS (Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security) MR W. B. MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): asked the Minister of Basic Education: MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, as agreed this morning, in terms of the Motion to re- (i) how far his ministry is with the implementation of order matters of the Order Paper, we go back to the bonds the use of indigenous languages in schools; issue. I call upon Honourable Motsamai to continue. (ii) if they are considering the introduction of AUTHORISATION OF INCREASE OF Swahili in schools as it was recently adopted as THE BOND ISSUANCE PROGRAMME a fourth official language by the Southern African Development Community (SADC) region; and Motion (iii) when the Draft Language Policy is likely to be (Resumed Debate) released. MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Tanki Mr Later Date. Speaker. Ke ne ke santse ke simolotse, ke re ke go QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE leboge Rre Matsheka, ke go lebogele…

CONTRACT REGARDING DISBURSEMENT OF HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. SOCIAL GRANTS THROUGH CHOPPIES MR MOTSAMAI: …Botswana jwa gago...

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MR MAJAGA: Point of procedure. Thank you Mr na le routes tse di farologaneng tsa go tsenya letseno la Speaker, le fa lentswe le seyo. Mr Speaker, with due madi le tsa itsholelo fela jalo. Fa dry port e e ka dirisiwa, respect, ke kopile gore I will make a statement in this le sone seporo fa se ka simololwa sa kgabaganya go House. tswa fa Mamuno se ya kwa Gobabis, go ka thusa gore le batho ba kgaolo ya Ghanzi South le Ghanzi Region ba MR SPEAKER: Indeed Honourable Majaga, I saw kgone go tsenya dinala ka dipe tse ba ka di akanyang. the draft of the statement, but we have re-ordered the Go ka thusa gore dithoto tse di kwa mafatsheng, le rona business, such that we want to finish the urgent matters. re kgone go dirisa route ya Namibia re sa beye fela mo I am sure tomorrow we will deal with that issue, if you route ya South Africa jaaka gongwe go ntse Mr Speaker. are ready in the afternoon at two. Mr Speaker, kana madi a a tshwanetse go lebagana MR MOTSAMAI: Ke ne ke fetile ka yone kgang e Rre projects tse ditona tse di tlaa tsenyang madi mo nakong Matsheka, ke lebile Botswana jwa gago, mme ke sa leba e e tlang. Re tshwanetse ra leba dilo tse ditona tse di boparty jwa gago. Ke sa leba le epe kgang e mongwe a ka fetlhang madi le itsholelo. Re na le gas tse gotweng ka e akanyang. Mr Speaker, kana go buiwa ka kadimo di bonwe golo gongwe ke ba ba potielang, mafelo a ya madi, mme mafoko a me a tlaa nna makhutshwane tshwana le a a kwa Shoshong le kgaolo ya Moralane. mo go nametsang. Go adima Mr Speaker, tswelela Rre A gas tseo di fetlhwe, be packaged, di rekisetswe ba Matsheka, ke mongwe wa batho ba ba emang nokeng mafatshe a sele, re se ka ra nna bakopi le bajaki go ya kgang e o e buang ka pelo e tshweu. Ke bone gore o bosakhutleng mme re gatile dilo. Gongwe re felele re ya motho yo o boi, yo o ditlhong, yo o se ka keng a letla go go dira le ditlhabololo tse dinnyennyane, fa gongwe go adima madi a bo a ya go dira se tota e tlaa reng kamoso a tle go tle gore go ye go agiwa a primary school kana o se botswa o palelwe ke go araba “ee” le “nnyaa” ya go epiwa mabitla fa godimo ga gas e e ka bong e tshetsa dipotso. lefatshe lotlhe, re bo re baya moswi foo. A re se ka ra Gongwe ke tsene fela mo go reng madi a go buiwang nna tšhaba e e ntseng jaana, re bone gore dilo tse di ka ka one bagaetsho, tumelo ya me ke gore tiriso ya one e re boela ka tsela e e ntseng jang. setse e simologa jaaka e le one a a yang go thusa gore Fa o tsena kwa Ghanzi, mo mafelong a dikgomo, go na ditlhabololo tsa maabane re ntse re bua gore ke batla se, le biogas e e tswang mo bolokong jwa dikgomo. A e ke batla se kwa bokete, di kgone go felela, di dirwe ka fetlhiwe gore bana jaaka mongwe wa Mapalamente a ne madi kana ka matseno ao. Se se nkutlwisang botlhoko a buile, ba se ka ba migrate go tswa kwa metsengselegae le go feta, ba Ghanzi South ba ya go felela e kete ba ba siela kwa ditoropong ba re ba latela mafulo a ka kwa mosing. Tiro e e se ka ya re mo nakong e e matalana. Re na le mafulo a matalana; concrete tsa tlang, ya felela e nna teng gore madi a adimiwang a bo boleng jo bo rileng tse di ka sologelang Batswana le a lebagane le ditlhabololo tsa Greater Gaborone fela, e batho ba dikgaolo tseo molemo. Mathata a teng ke gore nne gore metse le metsana e e rileng e benefit. Ga re ga re akanye ka nako, ga re dire ka nako. ka ke ra ya go tseelwa sekoloto re le Batswana, se se duelwang ka meamuso ya rona rotlhe re le Batswana, Kwa bofelong, go na le kgang ya gore ditlhabololo le mme se bo se sologela molemo Greater Gaborone fela ditogamaano dipe tse re di dirang gore di dire madi a gona le dikgaolo tse dingwe. go tla go duela loans, a re nne le to monitor re bone gore selo se re se tsenyeditseng madi gore se kgone HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… go tlhagoga, a mme se na le dipoelo, a se tsweletse, MR MOTSAMAI: Ke sone se Motsamai le ba Ghanzi a se tshwerwe sentle, a mme se tlaa fepha lefatshe la South ba itshwareletseng ka sone. Botswana. Re se ka ra dira ditlhabololo, ra di pharega re bo re tswa re sia o kare re ne re baya bomo Mr Speaker, Rre Matsheka, kana go na le dry port e e kwa Namibia re tshwanetse ra lepa, monitor go bona gore selo seo se kwa Walvis Bay, e re tshwanetseng gore gompieno re boela Batswana Mr Speaker. tsenye ditlhogo re bone gore e tsena mo tirisong fully ka go isa diporo tsa diterena ka bonako jo bo rileng. Jaaka Mr Speaker, kgangkgolo e re tshwanetseng go lebagane le re COVID-19 e le butse matlho, go supegile gore re se le yone re le lefatshe la Botswana ke gore, gongwe ke ka ra leba lefatshe le le lengwefela for dithuso kana go boela mo kgannyeng e ke e buileng kgantele, go supile kgabagantsha tse re ka di kgabaganyisang, re lebe kwa gore mo botsogong le mo itsholelong ga re a ikatega, le kwa gore motlhang o re nnang le mathata, re bo re jaanong dipe tse re di dirang, a re boneng gore re dira

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dilo tse di tlaa re tsayang lebaka le le leele go re tsenyetsa MR GREEFF: Clarification. O e simolola sentle letseno la madi. A re se ka ra tsaya dikgomo tsa rona ka Honourable Manake, mme o kare ke tlaa gana fa o reng madi le matlalo a tsone re di isa kwa mafatsheng a sele, a madi ao a ye kwa tennyanateng. O se ka wa lebala gore ba ya go dira ditiro. Selo se se ne sa buiwa ke ba phathi rona mo Gaborone, ga re na sepe mo NDP 11. Madi a a ya Botswana Congress Party (BCP) of Umbrella for adimiwang a, ke rona ba re tlaabong re duela ka lekgetho Democratic Change (UDC) mo lebakeng le le fetileng, la rona. Re kgetha re le bantsi mo Gaborone, le rona re fa ba supa gore bring back our jobs; tlisang kwano batla sengwenyana. ditiro tsa rona. MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Honourable Greeff. Tota HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… kgang ya me e ya gone koo, gore fa re tlhabolola batho ba ba mo metsengselegae le kwa tennyanateng, go tlaa MR MOTSAMAI: A re se ka ra tsaya madi a dikgomo diragala gore batho ba fuduge mo toropong ba boele re a isa kwa gore a ye go fetlhela batho ditiro, rona re bo kwa magaeng ka gore botshelo bo tlaabo bo le botoka re sala re iphotlhere re nna tšhaba ya baji-bareki, re bo re teng. ikgatlha ka gore re tšhaba ya baji-bareki. Re tshwanetse go nna tšhaba e e fetlhang ditlhabololo le dilo tse di Ke bue ka kgang ya gore, temothuo ke yone konokono rekisiwang, batho ba reka mo go rona Mr Speaker. mo lefatsheng le gompieno. Fa o tsamaya mo Dilo tse ke tsone tse gongwe fa mongwe a akanya gore metsengselegae, kana e re e bitsang rural areas le kwa dikgaolo di ka tlhabololwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang, tennyanateng, o bona gore batho ba tshela ka temothuo, batho ba a tle ba akanye gore re raya gore go tlisiwe mostly ya dihutshane, dipodi le dinku. Motho o tlaabo magasigasi a mangwe a a gakgamatsang. a go bolelela gore ke agile ntlo ka dipodinyana tse pedi tse ke nang le tsone, yo mongwe a re ke tsentse bana Lastly, fa o tsena mo dikgaolong tse dingwe, a o sekole, ke tsentse motlakase ka go nna ke rekisa dipodi tsena kwa Xade kana Kgalagadi, fa o leba motse wa tse ke nang le tsone. Jaanong diphoko, motho fa a tla fa Letlhakeng jaana, o bona gore golo fa e ne e le lefelo a sa tlhaloganye botlhokwa jwa podi, o ka bua jaaka ba le le ka dirisiwang go tsenya madi a mangwe a a bangwe ba ne ba bua. Mongwe le mongwe mo Botswana, gakgamatsang ka bojanala, mme re ntse mo go lone fa e le gore le tlhaloganya dikgaolo tota, batho ba tshela re sa boelwe ke sepe. A re tle ke meono le metlhale ya ka dipodi. E bile botlhoko jwa go tlhoka phoko mo go sekaseka mafelo sešha, re bone gore we preserve lesakeng, bo botlhoko thata. Go tshwanetse gore dilo tse tse di leng teng tse di ka re tsenyetsang madi, e seng go se ka ga tshamekiwa, ga kgatlhiwa Batswana kana ga gore ke bo ke neelwa lefatshe le le ka ntshang mmidi dirwa jokes ka tsone ka gore ke matshelo a batho. kana dipe tse di ka rekisiwang, ke bo ke nna mo go MR PULE: Elucidation. Mr Speaker, ke ne ke rata go lone, ke bo ke simolola ke bothabotha kwa ofising ya tlatsa Tona, ke re ke mo raya ke re, kana fa o rua phoko, ga mmaboipelego ke kwadisiwa gotwe ke motlhoki. jaaka Honourable Brooks a ne a bua kgantele, o a bo Goromente wa Domkrag, emisa selo se, bulang matlho o jwala peo e e yang go tlhabolola leruo la gago gore a le reng COVID-19 e le a butse le bone gore dinako di le wena o kgone go itlhabolola, e re o ya mmarakeng a re sia, a re tšhentšheng. Tanki. o ya go rekisa, o bo o rekisa phoko e o itseng gore e HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… na le boleng. Mo go rayang gore madi a o a dirisitseng mo phokong eo, le fa a ka tswa a le mannyennyane, MR SPEAKER: I gave the floor to Honourable mme ditsompelo tse o di dirang like go epa didiba go e Manake, to be followed by the Vice President (VP). nosa, le go e jesa, o a itse gore e ya go go jwalela, e go ntsifaletsa leruo mme e le la maemo a a kwa godimo. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MS MS MANAKE: Ke dumalana le wena tota Honourable MANAKE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke eme fa go ema Pule. Se ke neng ke batla go bua thata ka sone ke Honourable Matsheka nokeng ka Tshutiso e a setseng a gone gore, madi a ke buang ka one, a tshwanetse go e dirile. Ke kopa gore jaaka re tlaabo re dumalana le ya kwa Batswaneng ka gore ba tshwere ka thata. Fa o wena gore o ka ya go adima mo go kwa godimonyana, re o lebelela mo magaeng, o fitlhela go na le batho ba a madi a a ye kwa bathong ba ba mo metsengselegae ba ntshitseng dipelo le nako ya bone gore ba kgone go le kwa tennyanateng ka gore ke bone ba ba tshwereng itirela botshelo jaaka ke setse ke tlhalositse, ka temothuo. Botswana, e bile ba bantsi. Ba tlhaela ka dilo di tshwana le metsi, a e leng a basic

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necessity, a ka nosetsa dihutshane tse, kana ba kgona go Go na le kgang e nngwe e e mphang lesokolela. Ke ntse lema dijonyana tse e leng gore di a ba sustain. ke utlwa e buiwa gape gore gatwe go ne go tsamailwe ka helicopters tse tharo le diphoko di pagame mo teng. Vision 2036 e bua gore batho ba tshwanetse gore ba bo ba Kgang e ga e na boammaruri, legale ga ke itse gongwe itekanetse mo tlhaloganyong le mo mmeleng. Se se tlaa helicopter ya boraro e ne e le ya ga Dr Tshabang a re tswa mo dijong tse ba di jang. Even non-communicable bontsha tsela ka gore nna ga ke a e bona. diseases, one of the causes ya tsone ke ka fa re jang ka teng. Go botlhokwa gore mo metseselegaeng, we should HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... build resilient communities. Ke sone se ke reng Tona, ke kopa gore madi a a ye tota kwa bathong gore a ba MS MANAKE: Nnyaa, ga ke a bona tsone tse le nnang tlhabolole, a tlhabolole le infrastructural development le bua ka tsone. LOO o setse a tswetse kwa ntle, mme ya agriculture fa batho ba tshwereng ka diatla teng. ke mo galaletsa thata ka fa a nnang a bua ka tshenyetso- setšhaba ka teng gore re tshwanetse gore re se ka ra ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL senyetsa setšhaba. Le fa re dirisa dikoloi tsa Puso kana GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT sepe fela sa Puso, re se ka ra senyetsa setšhaba. Ke lebile (MR MODUKANELE): Elucidation. Tanki, o e yone kgang eo ya gore maloba jaana e rile Palamente e tshwere sentle Minister. Gongwe o e atolose gore kana ya bokhutlong, re ile ra utlwa selelo sa gagwe se le kwa ka one madi a, to issue these bonds, ke gone jaaka re godimo a re o batla go dirisa koloi ya ga Goromente gore empower Batswana, e bile re adima mo gae. Gape ka a ye go ipapatsa kwa kgaolong. Le ene le mo gakolole madi one a, ke one a ka re direlang dilo tse dingwe tse re foo gore dilo… senang natso gompieno, di tshwana le dipatela kwa bo Tswapong le Lerala. Tanki Minister. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… MS MANAKE: Tota, o a buile otlhe Honourable MS MANAKE: …dilo tse di a tsamaelana, le ene a se Member. Mosola wa gore go tlhabololwe batho (human ka a dira jalo. Ka jalo, ke tlaabo ke feditse Mr Speaker, capital), ke gone gore ba kgone go itirela. Se re na le I thank you. sone re le Batswana ke temothuo, e bile ga go na ope yo HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR o ka e tsayang mo go rona. Ke kgona go nna le motse TSOGWANE): Tlaa ke tseye sebaka se ke amogele kwa Jamataka ka bo ka tsamaya gape ka ya go nna le masimo kae. Go botlhokwa e le ruri gore re itse, re bo Rraagwe Nkamo mo Palamenteng jaaka a fitlhela re re tlhaloganye gore temothuo ke yone e re tshwanetseng ntse re tshwere phage ka mangana. Kana ke motho yo o go e sala morago gore e tlhabolole batho. Ee, re a itse re thusang thata, fa go ntse jaana, re a mo tlhoka. gore tlhabololo mo Botswana ka fa re e tlwaetseng ka teng, kana jaaka re etle re utlwe le bua Matona le HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... Mapalamente, ke gore le batla go bona dipatela le police MR TSOGWANE: …(Laughter!)... Ke amogela stations tsa magasigasi. Batho bone fa ba tlhabologile, Rraagwe Nkamo ka gore ke motho yo o re thusang ba kgona go ipha dilo tse kana gope fela gore service e dikgang tse di botlhokwa, Mopalamente wa Tonota, Rre ba kgone go e bona. Ke sone se re reng a madi a ye go tlhabolola batho, even through training, e tlaa dira gore Moatlhodi. Ke bo ke leboge Tona gore o bo o tlile ka ba kgone go dira dilo botoka ba bo ba itlhabolola. Vision kgang e e botlhokwa, e ya go leka go oketsa mo o go 2036 e bua ka human capital gore re tshwanetse re bo tshwereng go dira ditiro tse di botlhokwa. re le sustainably developed, mme e simolola fela gone kwa agriculture gore the rural transformation will come Maloba o rotse kgang e e botlhokwa fa ya projects le through agricultural development. ditsamaiso tse dingwe tse di botlhokwa tsa go leka go tsosolosa itsholelo le go e godisa. Pampiri e o re bayang Mr Speaker, go a lebega gore in the past Goromente o pele e, e e kopang gore go nne le metlhala mengwe lekile to invest even in Information and Communications ya dikadimo tsa madi go thusa madi a o nang nao, a a Technology (ICT) kwa tennyanateng gore batho ba teng tlhaelang, mme e bile o adima mo mebarakeng ya mo ba kgone go itshwaraganya le ba ba kwano. Le fa go gae, go tlaa thusa gape gore mebaraka e ya mo gae e sa lekana, mme go a bonala gore maiteko a teng. Se kgone gore le yone e gole. E le sengwe se ke bonang e re tshwanetseng go se dira re le ministry gongwe o le tsamaiso e ntle thata. tshwana le wa Agriculture, is to provide content e e tlaa supegetsang batho different opportunities tse di leng Mr Speaker, ke supe jalo gore kana e rile maloba o re teng. baya pele, o re o ya go tsosolosa itsholelo, o ne wa tla ka

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lenaneo la Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan boleng. Tona, maloba fa o rola pego ya gago ka budget, (ERTP). Jaanong ke yone e o tlang ka yone gompieno o o ne o supa gore ledi la rona ga le ise le tlhoke boleng. re o bone tsela e nngwe ya dikadimo tsa mo gae. O tle o Ra re, tshegetsa fela jalo, tsamaiso eo e ntle thata. Fa o bone ledi la go diragatsa ditiro tsa maloba re fetisa plan bona ledi la lefatshe le wa boleng, go a bo go le thata. fa. Jaanong this ERTP, e botlhokwa fela thata Tona. E Motho fa a tshwanetse go ya go reka borotho, a bo a re fa o adima madi mo gae, re ele tlhoko ka gore rona rwala bag e tletse madi a a se nang boleng. Re santse re batho ba ba kelotlhoko re le Puso ya ga Domkrag, re ipela mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka tsamaiso e ntle thatathata e eteletswe pele ke Tautona Dr Mokgweetsi ya go tlhokomela itsholelo. Re na le Monitoring and Eric Keabetswe Masisi. Re tswelele ka tsela eo ya go Evaluation (M&E), ke dingwe tsa dilo tse batlotlegi ba babalela itsholelo ya rona. ntseng ba bua ka tsone gore re di sale morago.

Mebuso mengwe ya Africa, e a tle e re fa e adima mo Projects tsa rona di wele ka nako. Di dirwe ka madi a di gae, ba se ke ba lebelele dibanka tse dingwe tse ba a abetsweng gore di ye go dirwa ka one. Ke dilo tse di nang le tsamaiso mo go tsone like Bank of Botswana; ka re thusang, tsa rotloetsa fela thata. E bile re se ka ra dibanka tsa setšhaba. Mo mafatsheng mangwe a re ka tshaba go gatelela projects tse di tona, tse di ka godisang sekeng ra a bua gompieno, banka e tshwana le eo, go itsholelo, tse di tsenyang ledi mo itsholelong. Ditsela tse ikadimiwa fela mo go yone. Go bo go fitlhelwa e le gore di tona tse re di bonang, dikago tsa diporo tse di mo go ikadima mo selong sa gago, fa gongwe o a fetelela, o mananeong, ke dilo tsa botlhokwa tse re tshwanetseng bo o palelwa ke go duela ka fa o tshwanetseng go duela le tsone re di rotloetse. Jaaka ke ne ke bua, rural ka teng. Ke ratile thata fa o bua ka ya bonds gore ga go development le yone re nne re rotloetse Mapalamente tshwane le go adima mo Bank of Botswana ka gore re gore ba itse gore e botlhokwa. Re bone gore ditlamelo di na le tsamaiso le yone. Ke nngwe ya dilo tse di etsweng a goroga kwa dikgaolong. Jaaka ke boletse, boranyane tlhoko thata ke bakanoki, go bona gore fa go ntse jalo, ke jone jo bo ka re gorosang gongwe le gongwe. Fa re ga go nne le tšhesego e tona ya gore go ka busiwa madi ka nna le mafaratlhatlha a a ntseng jalo a boranyane, a go nna jalo. a ka re thusa go atumetsa ditlamelo tsotlhe le go dira ditlamelo kwa dikgaolong. Ke sengwe se re batlang go Tona, kgang e tona ya gore re tsosolose itsholelo, se rotloetsa. re bo re itlhaganele, ke ya tiriso ya boranyane. Le fa projects tsa rona di tlhaela fale le fale, re lela ka dipatela Re rotloetsa thata thulaganyo ya Public Private kwa dikgaolong di tshwana le tsa Boteti. Re lela ka Partnerships (PPPs) ya gore re bo re na le dikompone meamuso e mengwe e re e tlhokang. O tlhwaafalele tse di ka kgonang go dira ditiro mo, e bo di tshwaragana tiriso ya boranyane go godisa itsholelo ka tsamaiso ya le Puso. E re phelelong, e bo Puso e akola meamuso ya tiriso ya computers and digitise the economy. Ke yone tsamaiso e ya PPP. Ke nngwe ya tse ke neng ke re le e ke batlang re e lebelele fela thata. Transformation e re tsone Tona, re tlaabo re ntse re di lebeletse. buang ka yone, re bua ka tiriso ya dikitso, itsholelo e e tsamaisiwang ka dikitso, ke yone e re tshwanetseng re Tona, re leboga thata gore gompieno jaana, jaaka e tlhokomele thata, re e rotloetse. E ka re thusa, ya re bakaulengwe ba ntse ba bua, re bo re rotloetsa tiriso ya tlisetsa maduo a mantle. Fa o ka gorosa mafaratlhatlha mebaraka ya mo gae ya madi jaaka re sa tswa go bolela. a boranyane, re ka godisa itsholelo le kwa dikgaolong Dibanka tsa private tsa madi mo, re nne re nkgenkge tota. Ke yone e ke reng, o e eteletse kwa pele fa re ntse re bone gore re ka bona dithuso mo go tsone. Madi a re e rotloetsa ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. pension a a nang le ba ba a tsamaisang, a a etlang e tsewa a ya kwa ntle, e bo e le gore gone koo, ke one a Tona, mo gongwe ke supe jaana gore lefatshe la rona ga re yang go a adima gape ka merokotso e e kwa godimo, le ise le nne le ditsamaiso tse dingwe tse re di boneng mo nnyaa, a madi ao re a dirise mo, re a adime a le mo gae. mafatsheng a mangwe a Aferika, mo batho ba neng ba Go na le gore a bo a tsamaya, re bo re tla go adima madi tsamaisiwa ka dithulaganyo tsa International Monetary e le a rona. Fund (IMF), World Bank le the British institutions tse e leng gore ba felela ba dira mo gotweng structural Se sengwe gape sa botlhokwa se ke batlang gore adjustment policies. Ga re ise re tsamaye foo. Ke tsela gongwe pele fa ke fetsa ke bue ka sone, ke tshenyetso- e ntle, e e supang gore re ntse re le mo tseleng. Puso setšhaba. Tshenyetso-setšhaba re buile ka yone thata le ya ga Domkrag e ntse e tshegeditse itsholelo e, fa re mo maitlamong a rona. Tautona wa rona o buile thata ka sa le re tsaya boipuso. Ledi la rona ga le ise le tlhoke go sala tsamaiso ya molao morago. Fa gongwe bangwe

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fa ba e bua, ba e buela kwa godimo gore e utlwale, o There is also the issue of what next post COVID. The kare rona ga re dire sepe ka yone. Bagaetsho, maloba question is would this channelling of funds to the Tymon Katlholo o ne a le kwa The Eye a supa ka fa Government result in the economy growing its way out re tshwanetseng gore re tshwaragane re le setšhaba. Ba of debt post COVID? Given the inefficiencies in the use ba ntshang bosupi, ba ba kuelang tshenyetso-setšhaba, of funds by the Government over the years, the answer ga go ka ke ga nna le ditsheko fa ba sa papamale mo is most likely not. So we might have debt overhang and bosuping jwa bone. Jaanong a rotlhe re tshwaraganeng. Government might introduce austerity measures to deal Mongwe le mongwe a itse gore he is a leader mo go with it and we know what happens when you introduce lwantsheng tshenyetso-setšhaba. Go se na ope yo o austerity measures. salelang kwa morago kana yo o supang yo mongwe ka monwana ka gore moo gone, ga se mo go ka re thusang. Is the debt to Gross Domestic Product (GDP) ratio of Ke a leboga. 16 per cent sustainable in the first place? I think that is a critical question that we need to answer. How MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): does this compare to international best practice? Most Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, first, we need studies have shown that especially for developing to acknowledge that by resorting to bond issuance, countries debt of over 15 per cent GDP is likely to Botswana will be following on the footsteps of some harm future growth in the economy. Should we not countries, especially developed ones in increasing its have considered lower increase than increasing by 100 borrowing to finance deficits. It is not in doubt that per cent? That is a question I hope you will deal with. the Government needs to help mitigate the effects of Have you also considered Quantitative Easing (QE)? I the pandemic on the economy as well as fund the post do not want to call it in a way that will confuse many pandemic economic recovery. However, it should be because it is especially misunderstood. I am saying this noted that borrowing, as one of the available funding to you because when it is done responsibly, it can help options, should be based on sound, political economic without leading to high debt or interest rates. I have that policies. I find the reason of the need to develop the question whether you have considered a Quantitative capital market not meeting that test. Easing. Now this one is the question for bond issuance programme. We need to have an evaluation and I am Honourable Matsheka, bond markets by nature are thin, asking if we have it. Evaluation report on the P15 billion hence it will take a massive amount of bond floatation bond programme in respect of one funding official to improve the situation. Hence the reason advanced is expenditure, development of local capital markets and poor and irresponsible, as it means the financial markets facilitating the conduct of monetary policy. are developed at the taxpayers’ expense. I am also of the view that you should have outlined the As you would know, there are two types of investors, National Debt Management Strategy and its evaluation. the passive investor and active investor. Passive or What strategy is in place to improve the liquidity of the portfolio investors are those who buy financial assets bonds issued? I am saying this in light of your very own like stocks and bonds or hold savings deposit in admission on the liquidity of the bonds that have been financial institutions. This is the group that is likely to issued. benefit. The active investors are those who invest in industries and employ people. They enhance transfer of Having said that Mr Speaker, I literally grew up in the skills especially from outside and through wages help Botswana Congress Party (BCP), when we were going increase the buying power of the citizens. for the 2004 Elections, there was an article which appeared in the news media questioning our ambitious Now by issuing additional bonds, Government will be manifesto and the key question that the journalist sought competing with the private sector borrowers for the to hold us accountable on was how we are going to fixed amounts of available loanable funds or savings. finance the proposals in our manifesto. So that is why They may drive up interest rates in the economy which when we went for the 2009 Elections, we tried as much might in turn reduce private sector investment in plants as possible to answer that question in the following ways; and equipment. Declining investment means a fall in the first let us admit that Government has failed to diversify capital stock in the economy and hence the fall in the revenue streams from tax, mineral generated revenue, private sector economic activity. The so called crowding normal dividends and the Southern African Customs out.

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Union (SACU) remittances as well as grants and loans the EU or sometimes even South Korea because it is by our development partners. Also from International regarded as the West. Almost all the time the President Financial Institutions (IFIs) mainly the Bretton Woods of the World Bank comes from the United States (US). institutions that the Vice President alluded to, as well So if you are blacklisted by the EU, it will be extremely other bilateral donors. What we had said then as the difficult to raise revenue internationally by way of loans. BCP was that, first there were problems of leakages on Why are we blacklisted? We are blacklisted because of tourism and that if we close these leakages, we would corruption and money laundering. That is what we need be able to diversify our revenue streams because if to address because currently, you are saying you want payments are done here, we will raise revenue... to issue bonds up to P30 billion so that you raise the revenue but our problem is accountability. Our problem HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… is the time taken to complete Government projects. Our MR KEORAPETSE: During that time Honourable problem is implementation. Right now I gave example Rakgare was still a bona fide member of BCP. We also recently that one Government ministry has not used talked about pensions, the need to invest our pensions P500 million of the development because of what I locally to invest in infrastructure and projects that will termed tenders tsa manyofonyofo tse e leng gore people generate wealth or create jobs. Also most importantly, we ba nna kwa courts to litigate on these tenders. We are had indicated that we were unable to use our borrowing unable to fully account on why there is need to spend as a country, our credit ratings by your Standard and hundreds of millions through direct appointments on Poor’s (S&P), Moody’s etcetera. We failed to use other COVID-19 procurement. Now you want us to let you people’s money, to borrow other people’s money and raise revenue up to P30 billion without accounting for generate wealth. Invest that money because even if you small monies of few hundreds millions to say this is read the books of those who are wealthy, they will tell why we needed to do direct appointments. I think we you that to create this wealth, we do not use our money need to do more on corruption, mismanagement and we use the bank’s money. So that is what we failed as then accountability. Thank you Mr Speaker. a country. That is how you have failed as the Botswana MR SPEAKER: Time up! Honourable Motaosane Democratic Party (BDP) to use the credit ratings so that followed by Honourable Balopi. you borrow internationally and invest in infrastructure as well as in projects that will create jobs. MR MOTAOSANE (THAMAGA-KUMAKWANE): Tanki Mr Speaker. Ke leboge barwarre ka gore ba We also said as the BCP that the Government can raise setse ba buile a lot mo kgannyeng e. Sengwe fela se revenue through issuance of Government Bonds. What re tshwanetseng go se ipaakanyetsa kana re itebaganye you are saying exactly, you are asking Parliament to do thatathata le sone le fa re tsweletse re senka madi a today, I have heard about this matter for the first time kwa re ka a bonang teng kana ka fa re dirang madi ka when we were drafting the manifesto of the BCP in teng, go kgona go tsweledisa mananeo mangwe a re a 2009. itshegetseng re le Puso, ke tshwenyegile thata ka kgang Mr Speaker, when we finally joined the Umbrella for ya corruption ka gore fa o ne o ka utlwa le mo mosong Democratic Change (UDC), we also articulated these ono fa go arabiwa dipotso, o bo o reetsa kgang ya kwa points cogently in our manifesto, in our debates we were the glass factory kwa Palapye… very clear about how we were going to raise money. You HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… see one thing that Honourable Matsheka is not coming out clearly to tell this Parliament is that, it is very MR MOTAOSANE: …nnyaa rraetsho, eo ke ya gago. difficult to almost impossible now for the Government to Ga go re beye sentle re le Puso, ka gore ga go lebege borrow internationally because we are blacklisted by the go na le prudence mo go diriseng madi. Bonnyennyane European Union (EU). We could raise money… recently jo gompieno re tshwanelwang ke go bo adima, go tswa South Africa decided to borrow from the International kwa re ka bo bonang... Monetary Fund (IMF) substantial amount of money to fund their projects and to also fund the deficit. The MR MOATLHODI: Procedure Mr Speaker. Ke Bretton Woods are inextricably linked with Europe, a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa you would agree with me. You know that most of the Palamente. Ke a tshwenyega thata rraetsho, I have been time, the Managing Director of the IMF is actually from observing since last week. O na le gore…, fela jaaka o

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ne o bitsa batlotlegi ba tlhomagane. If I could enlighten MR MOTAOSANE: Chief Whip, a utlwetse motsadi. your good self by reading Standing Order 51.3 says, if Ke fete ka kgang eo Honourable Matsheka, gore tota o your good self will allow me? fitlhela...

MR SPEAKER: Please. LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Point of procedure Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, ntle ke MR MOATLHODI: “If two or more members rise gakolole, ke gatelele gape se o neng o se bua. Tota ga at the same time to speak, the Speaker shall select ke itse gore ba ba itayang tsebe Chief Whips ke bo mang one member, and call on him or her to speak.” Se se mo Ntlong e. Chief Whips ba a itse fela gore e rile kwa tshwenyang Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa tshimologong wa kopa jalo gore fa le na le lists le di Palamente, le monnao o dira jalo. Ke ntse ke utlwa o re tlise, le ene Chief Whip wa rona, ke ene a isitseng list. Honourable Motaosane followed by so and so. Ke bona Jaanong ga ke itse gore fa a ngongorega a re tsamaiso o kare we are flouting our own procedures, and I beg if ele e ne e siame, o a bo a itewa tsebe ke bo mang. my interpretation is anything to go by, I pray we follow our Standing Orders. I thank you Mr Speaker. MR SPEAKER: Ba go diela nako Mokwena, tswelela.

MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, MR MOTAOSANE: Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo the lighter one would have heard ke ba raya ke re, le tsa Palamente, ba a ntshenyeletsa. Ke leboge gore nne le ema. The fact that you have given a list, does not maikaelelo a gago a mantle, mme ke ne ke bua ka gore mean le nna fela jaanong ga le eme. The list, in terms of tota jaaka re ntse re dira dikadimo tse, kana kadimo ke the Standing Orders is to be produced by you Whips for selo se re se dirang re ntse re itse gore ka fa letlhakoreng debates, for your parties. The other party has produced a go ya go tsena merokotso, go ntse go tsenya lefatshe list, and that is what I am doing. They have produced a mo dikolotong tse gongwe re ka nnang le bothata fa re list as to who is going to be debating after who, in their ka palelwa ke to recover jaaka gompieno re sa itse gore COVID-19 e e ya go fela leng. Go botlhokwa gore re own way. Ka fa I did not get a list this time, that is why nne kelothoko mo tirisong ya madi. ke ne ke re fa le mphile list, ga go reye gore jaanong ba nna fela, le bo le re…, I do not know if you have Sengwe se se ka re thusang go nna kelothoko thata mo changed your mind, if you say ga ke sa bua jaanong. go diriseng madi, one a re tlaabong re ntse re a adimiwa, That is why they must stand, nevertheless. They gave ke gore fa re na le projects, a di dirwa mo nakong e me a list, so when I do the numbers in terms of the e tshwanetseng. Re tle re kgone to realise benefits tsa proportions, I follow their list. teng, jaaka re ntse re supa gongwe ditsela dingwe tse di rileng, tse di ka tlisang madi mo go Goromente, ka MR MOTAOSANE: Thank you Honourable. Ke gore go isa dithoto kwa ntle di ntse di feta le ka lefatshe la P.P.P. ene o tlhola a bua letsatsi lotlhe fela a le nosi. Ke rona. Fa re dirile projects tsa mofuta o ka nako, di ka sa tswa go ema fa ke neng ke bua gore... kgona go thusa go nna le letseno kana…, An obvious fact ke gore, fa re sa di dire ka nako within budget, re MR KABLAY: Procedure. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke ya go felela re nna le madi a mangwe a re a tlhokang. botsa gore tota thulaganyo e e neng e ntse e dirisiwa, ya Sekai; mo mosong ono fa re bua ka project ya Kanye, gore the Speaker catches you by his eye, mathata a teng these consultants ba o fitlhelang re ba hira ba re direla ke eng? E tota ya go nna go kwalwa lists e, batho ba a mealo ya gore fa re ya go dira project ya sebopego se, ikwala, nna ga ke e tlhaloganye tota, ga re bue. e ka lopa bokana. Ba lebile dilo tsotlhe tse dintsi tse e HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… … leng tsone di ka nnang dikgoreletsi kana tse di ka jang (Applause!)… madi a mantsintsi. Fa o lebelela fela, o fitlhela go buega gore project e e neng e le around P770 million, now it MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Kablay, has gone to over P1 000 900 000.00. Ke madi a mantsi ke lona le ikwalang …(Laughter!)... I have no problem thata. One a, ke one a a dirang gore kgantele re bo re ya with anybody catching the Speaker’s eye. That is what go palelwa le ke go duela dikoloto tse re neng re di dira. I am doing with the Honourable Members on this side. They catch the Speaker’s eye, and I do that. Lona ke Ke go leboge, gore o lebe le mo gae thata. Kana PPPs lona le kwadileng maina, you cannot blame it on me. I tse re buang ka tsone re eletsa gore di nne jalo. Ke ne blame you. ke akanya gore gongwe re le Goromente le rona, let us

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decentralise some of the powers. Projects dingwe tse di Ka barwarre ba ntse ba di bua thata, gongwe e tlaa re o ka re thusang gore re di dire kwa dikgaolong, tse gone oketsa jaana, o gopole gore tsela ya Kubung e go emetse, jaana Puso e sa di lebelelang. Fa re ka ya kwa dikgaolong o se ka wa adima madi fela a a tlaa felang a sa dira gore tsa rona, ra ba neela dithatanyana tsa go tsena sentle mo tsela ya Kubung e nne mo teng. Ke ka leboga thata fa o PPPs, go ka thusa le gore Puso e nne le letseno le le ka ka dira jalo. Ke a go leboga thata, mme e bile ke re ke thusang gore dikoloto tse re tlaabong re ntse e di tsaya, ema mogopolo nokeng Honourable Dr Matsheka. Tanki re nne re di fokotse. sir.

Fa ke e fa dikai; projects tse di tshwanang le tsa MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR metlakase jaaka re ntse re bua, mo kgaolong e ke tswang PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT kwa go yone, re a dupadupa ntlheng ya Gakgatla- (MR BALOPI): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo Gamodubu gore a ga re ka ke ra bona bagwebi ba ba ka tsa Palamente. Mma ke simolole ka go leboga le go yang go dira a plant ya solar kwa area eo. Motlakase amogela se se kopiwang kana se re se beilweng pele ke o re na le bosupi jwa gore gompieno Goromente o na Tona Dr Matsheka. Gape ke simolole ka go supa gore le deficit e e seng kana ka sepe ya motlakase. We can ke tlaabo ke dirile phoso, ke diretse lefatshe le phoso, partner with people, re bo re ya go dira that plant. Re ke diretse Batswana phoso gore ke se ka ka leboga Puso le lefatshe la Botswana, re ka kgona go ntsha motlakase ya ga Domkrag ka gore e bo e ntse e tsweletse go tswa o o re lekaneng, ra ba ra isa kwa ntle. Ka jalo ra thusa kwa goo-Lowe fa lefatshe le le simolola, e somaretse dikoloto tse Puso... ditsompelo tsa lefatshe le, e di aba ka bophara jo bo HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Murmurs)... neng bo fitlhelela batho botlhe lefatshe ka bophara. Fa ba dira jalo, ba ne ba sa tlhaole e bile ba sa lebelele gore MR MOTAOSANE: …rraetsho, fa o batla clarity kwa bokete go ka tswa go na le mang, a dira eng e bile nthaya o re o batla clarity I will give it to you. Ke leka go go ntse jang. Ke bua se ka gore mafatshe mangwe a a supa gore... Rre Moatlhodi o motona, ga ke rate go go neng a na le ditsompelo tse di neng di feta tse re nang tsena ganong fa o bua and ga ke rate go tsenwa ganong le tsone, ba paletswe ke go somarela itsholelo ya bone fa ke bua. Please, stop remarking on the side when I jaaka re dirile, a re a itseng. Gape ba na le dingwaga tse speak. Tswee-tswee, ga ke batle. O batla go nkisa go dintsintsi tse di fetang tsa rona ba le mo botshelong, ba sele. tsamaisa mebuso. Ka jalo rraetsho, ke a go leboga, ke leboga Puso e ya ga Domkrag. Ke bua gore we have a deficit mo motlakaseng wa rona, ga re kgone to supply ourselves ka motlakase. Fa Ke leboga segolobogolo ba Bank of Botswana ka fa re ka dira that plant, ya kgonega, ya atlega, re ka nna ba ntseng ba somaretse ledi la Botswana ka teng mo self-sufficient ra ba ra kgona to export motlakase. That diphefong tsa maloba tsa recession le mo nakong ya is what I was saying fa e le gore o ne o batla clarity gompieno e re bonang diphefo tsa itsholelo di foka Motlotlegi Moatlhodi. Re tshwanetse Tona, re bone lefatshe ka bophara. Se se ntshupegetsa gore Batswana gore re tsamaya sentle go leka gore kwa re tlaabong re ka gore ba eteletswe pele ke Motswana Motlotlegi kopane le bangwe teng e le bagwebi, re ba tlise, o ba Dr Matsheka, le bone e le Batswana kwa Bank of itse le wena, o re lebalebele gore a mme dikonteraka tse Botswana, go tswa kwa go yo o kwa godimo, botlhe gongwe re tlaabong re tsena mo go tsone di ka re thusa. ba ba dirang ditshekatsheko, balebeledi botlhe ba Kgang e nngwe e e botlhokwa, ke ya maloba ke bua ka itsholelo, ke Batswana. Re a bona jaanong gore go raya yone gore tota o tshwanetse go nna le lephata la batho gore tsela e re e remang e, go na le kwa e yang teng ba planning at your ministry, ba tle ba kgone go re thusa ka gore re tsamaisa koloi e e dumang, e e tshelwang le go lebaleba dikgaolwana le tse e leng gore… a re peterole, e e tsamayang, e seng sekgoropa se se emeng, tsamaya sentle mo development planning ya rona ka re dira modumo ka molomo, re sa ye gope. Ka jalo, gore fa re sa plan sentle, ke gone mo e tlaa reng kamoso fa o kgweetsa, o tlaa kgona go bona gore dinako tse o bo o fitlhela re tsene mo teng ga seemo sa gore fa re dingwe o tlaa bona dikotsi ka gore o tsamaya o le mo batla go dira project, we are going into built-up areas tseleng le dikgwetlho tse di tsamaelanang le motho a that end up costing the Government madi a mantsintsi setse itsholelo morago, a tsamaisa koloi e e tshelang, e through compensations. Jaanong fa lephata leo le le e tsamayang. Jaanong fa o ntse fela, o dira jaaka re ne teng, le ka kgona go thusa. Ke eletsa gore o sekaseke re dira re le banana, o ntsha modumo ka molomo, o re o mogopolo o o ntseng jalo. feta Francistown mme o le mo Gaborone, go nna thata

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gore o bone dikotsi, e bile gape o dire phoso ka gore ga ne re kwadile mo maitlamong a rona re le Botswana o tsamaye mo tseleng ya boammaaruri, o tsamaisa koloi Democratic Party (BDP) fa re ya ditlhophong, ya boammaaruri. Honourable Keorapetse. Gore itsholelo e e akaretsang botlhe, e raya le wena o le mo teng, gore kwa bofelelong, Jaanong o kopa gore go ntshiwe pampitshana ya kadimo mongwe le mongwe yo o nang le kakgelo kana seabe sa ya madi mo mmarakeng ka tsholofelo ya go a busa mo gore o ka kgona go nna motsayakarolo yo o lolameng nakong e go dumalanweng ka yone, mme a patilwe ke mo itsholelong, le go thusa ba a ba emetseng, o kgona morokotso. Ke yone kgang ya bond e o kopang gore go dira jalo o sa ipone tsapa. Re ne re sa bue fela ka ba e diriwe jalo. Go dira pampitshana e ya kadimo e e bangwe fela jalojalo. tlaabong e patilwe ke tumalano e e tlaabong e le teng le morokotso o o tlaabong o tsena, go maleba gore o dire Fa re bua jalo rraetsho, re tlaa kgona go dira jalo re jalo jaaka o ne o bua ka dingwaga tse di farologaneng bapisitse le kgang ya maloba e re neng re e bewa pele tsa bobedi, botlhano, bolesome le masome a mabedi le ke Tona Morwaeng ya gore go nne le monitoring and botlhano, jalojalo. Ke dumalana gore se se siame ka evaluation o o lolameng. Gape le wena o ne o bua gore gore o tlaa lemoga gore sekoloto sa rona re le lefatshe go ipaakanyetsa budget ya rona gore re nne le ledi le kana se re wetseng ka sone, ga se ise se goroge kwa ditlhabololo tse re di dirang mo lefatsheng le la rona, seelong sa masome a mane mo lekgolong. We are still di tsamaisiwa ke budget ya gago, go tsamaisiwa ke mo way below 40 per cent debt level ya rona kana sekoloto gotweng bottom-up, re tswa kwa tlase re ya kwa godimo sa rona re le lefatshe. Gape madi a a tlaa tlhokafala thata jaaka Village Development Committees (VDCs) e le ka gore ditlamorago tsa COVID-19 di re supeditse gore tsone o fitlhelang ba tsaya megopolo mo bathong. Go na tsholofelo ya rona e ne e le gore kwelotlase ya ledi le re le Makhanselara ba ba tlaabong ba tsaya megopolo e, e le nang le yone, e ya go re gorosa mo go reng re bo re na bone baemedi ba sepolotiki mo dikgaolong tsa bone, ba le kwelotlase ya madi a re ka bong re a dirisitse. Kana fa ba tlhokomelang gore motho letsatsi le letsatsi o tshela gotwe deficit, go tewa gore o dirisitse madi a o senang jang, dikgwetlho e nna eng. Fa re dira jalo jaaka re tsaya one, mme jaanong o sala o fetisitse se o ka bong o ka madi a ditlhabololo, morero o tsenelele, e se ka ya nna tswa o ne o na le sone. Re ne re solofetse gore P5 billion morero fela, re itse gore Makhanselara ke bone sesana ke ene a yang go nna deficit, mme jaanong le bona gore se re gamolelang mala mo go sone. Ke bone ba tsayang re ya kwa go P13 billion. Fa re ya kwa go P13 billion, go dikgang pele ba bo ba tla ba re di neela ka gore ba tshela raya gore ka gore re jetse madi tlhakeng, go tshwanela le batho letsatsi le letsatsi mo mekgorong le mo metseng gore jaanong re tsene mo mmarakeng, re batle nngwe ya bone. Ka jalo, o tshwanetse gore o lebelele rraetsho fa ya methale ya gore re ntshe gore go diragale gore batho itsholelo e ntse e tokafala jaaka re bona gore o e tshwere ba ka adima madi gore itsholelo ya rona, kwelotlase e ka bonatla jaana gore le conditions of service tsa bone re neng re e solofetse ya 4 per cent ka gore e ile kwa godimo ka 7 per cent, mme go bo go na le tlaleletso e nne tse di ba rotloetsang gore kwa bofelelong, this ya tse di diragalang, tse di ka tsamaisang gore madi a monitoring and evaluation ba e dire ba na le mashetla. nne teng, e le dikadimo tse go dumalanweng ka tsone Ba bona gore ga se letseno fela la dituelo le gore fa ba jaaka go ntse jalo. Jaanong pampitshana e, ke nngwe direlang teng, go ba letla e bile go ba fa seelo sa gore e ya methale e a tlaa kgonang go dira, segolobogolo re nne batho, ba batho ba itseng e le batho ba ba nang le lebile gore re tlaabo re lebile mo mebarakeng ya mo gae boikarabelo jo bo tseneletseng ka fa ba dirang ka teng ka gore fa go ntse jalo, e tlaabo e kgona go oketsa ledi, gore ba tle ba kgone go thusa this bottom-up go tsena gape go nne le ditsholofelo tse dintsi go ya kwa pele mo Mapalamenteng, ba isa kwa Executive gore e re kwa gore le babeeletsi, go na le sengwe se se diragalang mo bofelelong, re bo re na le dikgang tse di ntseng jaana. mmarakeng gore re ka tswelela re dira jalo. Ka jalo, le itse fela thata rraetsho gore ba lekodisiwe, o Se sengwe gape se ke se bonang ke gore re ne re ba latele mo dikhanseleng tse, o ba tlhalosetse gore go dumalane ka tebelopele ya rona ya Vision 2036 gore we diragala eng, le bond issuance e o e ba nankolele gore want to achieve prosperity for all. Kana fa re bua ka le bone ba gakolole bagwebi le ba ba tshelang le bone, prosperity for all, ga re ka ke ra kgona go e dira fela re fela jaaka rona re e touta gone fa jaana, le bone ba nne ntse fela o sa tle ka methale e ya gore madi a nne teng le seemo seo. mo mmarakeng. Fa ke wela rraetsho, kwa bofelelong ka gore re bua ka Re bo re bua gape re re re batla go tswelela mmogo go go akaretsa botlhe, e re fa re ntse re lebile itsholelo ya ya pele mo itsholelong e e akaretsang botlhe jaaka re rona re e tokafatsa, re atolosa kadimo, re dira tse di

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farologaneng, re itse gore go na le bangwe Batswana toutile, re dumalana rotlhe, ga gona ope yo o ganetsang. ba ba itekileng, ba e leng gore gongwe ka tlhaelo ya Ke ntse ke reeditse ba ba kwa le ba ba ka kwano ba e lefatshe jalojalo mo toropong e le badiri, segolo jang galaletsa. Se re tlaabong re se dira fela ke go e touta, “e ba ke ba emetseng ba ba kwa Gaborone North farms, a re go e latswa bobe e tswe bololo.” ba tlhokana le gore le bone e nne karolo ya go akaretsa botlhe, fa re ya kwa pele. Ba tsenyediwe ditsela, re bona Ka jalo, ke ne ke kopa gore Mr Speaker, re eme gone fa, gore re ka dira jang, re amana le ba ba ikemetseng ka re e tswale, re tle re tsene mo go tse dingwe tse dintsi nosi ba bagwebi le go nna re bona gore re ka adima bo ka gore re solofela gore ka Labotlhano re ye go tlhola mang gore go diragale dikgang tse di ntseng jalo. Ba batlhophi. Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker. tsenyetswe metsi, ba itikile, ba ikiteile ka thupana. Re MR KEORAPETSE: On a point of procedure Mr a ba tlhoka mo itsholelong ya rona go re thusa go nna Speaker. Mr Speaker, I think it is very insincere of ba e godisa ka gore ba dira teng mo toropong e, e re Honourable Balopi on what he is doing. I understand tshelang mo go yone, mme ba se na ditlamelo, ba itikile that he has every right to invoke that Standing Order. The ka ntata ya tiriso ya lefatshe. Jaanong tiriso ya lefatshe Honourable Chief Whip has just complained about the le, Motlotlegi Rre Mzwinila o tlaabo a e lebelela gore e system that is being used, a lebeletse gore Mapalamente akaretse botlhe, e tsamaelane le gore kwa bofelelong, e ba le bantsi ga ba bue. Gape ke gore o lebelele, motho bo e nna batsayakarolo ba ba lolameng ba itsholelo ya will debate a bo a feleletsa nako ya gagwe a bo a re, lefatshe. “e bile jaanong ba bangwe ba tswalelwe kwa ntle.” Mr Dilo tse di tshwanang le bo Water Utilities, kwa ponds Speaker, ke ne ke re o nne considerate. The matter before tsele tsa bo Glen Valley, go na le gore re ka dira a very us is a very important one and Members of Parliament solid hub ya agriculture jaaka re setse re simolotse. are showing interest to debate. Jaanong ke ne ke re o Metsi a re a tlhaola sentle, go nna le a sekono, re fokotsa gane kopo ya ga Honourable Balopi. Gongwe e bile monko o jaaka re setse re simolotse, go tsweletse. Ke President le ene ke yo o tlile, o tlaa araba dikgang tsele batla go go leboga Rre Mzwinila, ke go leboge le ba tsa ga Honourable Saleshando tsa Banyana Farms. lephata la gago la Water Utilities, le wena Rre Molale ba o ba okametseng ba dikhansele, go bo re le mo HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… lenaneong la go bona gore seriti sa motho yo o nnang MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, kwa Gaborone a nna kwa bo Tsholofelo East, le ene ke Honourable Balopi has moved a Motion as I understand motho yo o tshwanetseng go akola go nna kwa ntlong ya it, in terms of Standing Order 55.1 and as he said gagwe. Re dirisa metsi ao go ya go tlhabolola tse dingwe Honourable Keorapetse, he has every right to move in tse di teng. E bile gape re dira le manyoro (manure) terms of that Standing Order. The question therefore a a tlaabong a tswa gone foo, gore a ye go thusa mo that arises is for me, whether the Motion he is moving lenaneong la agriculture, jaaka e le se re ikaeletseng go is…how do I put it…The Motion is an abuse of the rules se dira. of the Assembly or an infringement on the rights of the Tse tsotlhe fa o di dira, ke gone jaaka e tlaabo e le gore minority in the House. As far as I can tell, every Member we are achieving prosperity for all. Ke gone jaaka re who took the floor agrees with the Motion; every single tlaabo re tsweletse le go batla itsholelo e e akaretsang Member! Therefore, I am satisfied that to move the botlhe ka gore fa o dirile jalo rraetsho, le bone ba tlaabo Motion under this Standing Order is not an abuse… ba bereka ka bonatla; productivitiy e tlaabo e ya kwa godimo gongwe le gongwe. Re tlaabo re bona jaanong HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker! re tshwana le mafatshe a a galalediwang, a a tshwanang HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker! le bo Singapore, Malaysia jalojalo, le ba bangwe ba ba itsiweng ka bonatla jo bo tseneletseng. Ka re setse re na MR SPEAKER: Gakere you do not want to go out? le kagiso, thokgamo le lorato mo bathong, fa re tsenya HONOURABLE MEMBER: Sorry. bonatla re tlaabo re nna number one mo lefatsheng la rona ka bophara. MR SPEAKER: I am making a ruling.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke kopa gore o ntetlelele ka gore ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tsaya gore re e buile, batlotlegi ba e buile ka botswerere, mme re dirise Standing Order 55.1. Ke kopa ka gore re e MR SPEAKER: No!

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Protect the minority… MR SALESHANDO: Further procedure, Mr Speaker. (inaudible)… I fully identify myself with the comments tsa ga Honourable Keorapetse, mme mabaka a mangwe ke a HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr Mr Speaker. Ke na le mathata le Mopalamente yo o Speaker. dirang list, a bo a tsaya tshwetso ya gore fa nna ke fiwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Are you ordering the chance, ke a go dirisa nako ya me yotlhe ke buelela Speaker? kgaolo ya me, jaaka Rre Balopi a ne a dira. E re a fetsa a bo a re, “jaanong re ema gone fa.” Fa bogolo e ne ya HONOURABLE MEMBER: No. I am not ordering re e rile a ema a bo a re, ga ke bue, a mme ga re eme the Speaker, but mongwe ka fa. gone fa. So he wants to deny others selo se ene a neng a sa batle to deny himself. That is the problem I have. It is MR SPEAKER: You will be ordered out my friend. selfish gore o tseye nako o bo o re ke tlaa bua, mme fa HONOURABLE MEMBER: I am not ordering you ke fetsa go bua go eme ka nna. Fa a ne a rile a simolola, Mr Speaker. ke bua ka setho fela, a bo a re kgang e e builwe a re eme fa, ke ka bo ke sa bue jaana. Gore a tseye nako yotlhe HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… a buelele kgaolo ya gagwe, e re a fetsa a bo a re e bile jaanong ka ke bone chance, ke kopa gore go eme gone MR SPEAKER: You will be ordered out, you better fa. It is not fair. listen! I said there are two authorities; is it not an abuse of the orders of this House, nor is it to deny the minority HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure Mr Members. Everybody who has spoken agrees. That Speaker. being the position, I will put the question… MR SPEAKER: You do not want me to make a ruling? HONOURABLE MEMBER: Before you put the Yes, further procedure Honourable Moatlhodi. question, Mr Speaker. MR MOATLHODI: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi MR SPEAKER: Yes. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Fa Rraetsho Balopi a sena go bua Motion wa gagwe ka fa a o buileng MR KEORAPETSE: Procedure. Mr Speaker, before ka teng, as an Opposition Whip, ka gadima bakaulengwe, you put the question, I raised this issue this morning, ya mme bakaulengwe shredded their shoulders ba re, “Rra, gore go a lebega gore the Order Paper is heavily laden kana rona ga re a bua.” Ka ba botsa gape ke re, a le with Government Business, especially on the last week. buile? Ba re, “nnyaa Rra, re ntse re tlodisiwa matlho.” Jaanong ka sone se re a go tsamaya fela jaana. E re fa Assessment ya me ke gore, the majority of them ga ba Mapalamente ba na le interest to debate on a weighty a bua. Ke kope rra, Standing Order 5.1 (c), we pray for matter e e tshwanang le ya increase ya issuance of the recognition of the minority. Ke yone kopo ya rona. Government Bonds to P30 billion, this is what is going to happen. Fela fa issue e ntse e tsweletse ka gore re alotse MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Member. I nako jaanong… ke ne ke bua maphakela ke re, ke gone am dealing with only one Standing Order, 55.1. That mo gotweng a re fetise, language e e etleng e buiwe ka fa is the only Standing Order I am dealing with because gore, a re fetise. The Speaker has always used discretion the Motion has been moved under that Standing Order. ya gagwe fa Motion o tshwana le wa ga Honourable No other! Balopi o tla, a lebeletse not only what you have quoted I have explained myself, naturally as you say, the reason on the Standing Orders, but also on whether the matter I think why these Standing Orders need to be improved, has generated much interest. It is against that, that I want is because the mover or whoever, does not see that you to make a ruling Mr Speaker gore, this matter has there are other people who vowed to speak, that in their it not generated a lot of interest? The Honourable Chief view they think it is agreement, because if there are Whip has just complained minutes ago, ka gore tota ga disagreements, I do not think anybody would then move ba itse gore list gatwe e tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng this Standing Order. So I put the question… jang. Ke ne ke kopa Mr Speaker gore le fa Honourable Balopi a sutisitse ka that Standing Order, please! let a HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker… few Members who have interest on this weighty matter, debate the matter by not putting the question now. MR SPEAKER: No!

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Order Mr Speaker! PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 4:10 P.M. FOR APPROXIMATELY 26 MINUTES HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 4:36 P.M. MR SPEAKER: The question is that the mover… “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” HONOURABLE MEMBER: Order Mr Speaker! MR SPEAKER (MR PULE): You may be seated. MR SPEAKER: …be now called upon to reply Order! Order! Honourable Members, it looks like we according… are now quorated. When we broke for tea, we had just HONOURABLE MEMBER: Order Mr Speaker! agreed to vote. Can we start the watch?

MR SPEAKER: …to Standing Order 55.1. Order! Order! Honourable Members, can I now call upon Sergeant-At-Arms to make sure that all the doors HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, kana ga wa are closed. No one leaves or comes in. reetsa mabaka a gagwe. LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR HONOURABLE MEMBER: Order Mr Speaker! SALESHANDO): Point of order. Thank you Mr Speaker. Go ne go bonala o kare ga re dumalane ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: You have not listened to ditshwetso tse di neng di tsewa pele ga go emisiwa his words. dipuisanyo for the break. Ka fa go emisitsweng debate MR SPEAKER: I have not given you the floor and I do ka teng ka Standing Order 55. Kana ka 55, Speaker, o ne not know how you can stand while I am standing. a re bontsi go lebega bo dumalana, mme ka fa go rona go buile less than one third. The other side e ne e na le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker order! list e ba e isitseng, ba dumalane ka fa ba dumalaneng MR SPEAKER: Do you want to go out? Honourable ka teng, jaaka Speaker a ne a bua gore fa ba buile go Lucas, take your seat. siame. Ka kwano re na le those opposing the Motion. Jaanong re ne re batla go kopa gore a re ka se ke ra MR LUCAS: Mr Speaker… dira compromise in terms of Standing Order 56, gore bogolo o letlelele ba e leng gore ga ba dumalane? Gore MR SPEAKER: Please take your seat! motho a tle Palamenteng bontsi bo bua, go bo gotwe a MR LUCAS: Mr Speaker… re tlhophe, le yo o reng nna ga ke dumalane le kgang eo, a sa letlelelwe go ntsha la gagwe, gore e re le dumalana, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, o se ka wa le itse ke ne ke sa dumalane ka lebaka le, a le lengwe nna o goelela Mapalamente o kare o kwa morakeng. fela kana a mabedi. Go kganela ba bangwe kwa ntle gotlhelele, ba ba nang le mogopolo o o farologanang MR SPEAKER: Ka re a nne fa fatshe! le ba re setseng re buile, e tlaabo e se ka fa tsamaisong. MR LUCAS: Mr Speaker, ke kopa sebaka sa go bua. Fa bontsi bo dumalana, go ka botswa gore a mme go na le ba ba sa dumalaneng gotlhelele. That voice has not HONOURABLE MEMBER: Division. This is about been heard today and mantswe a a ntseng jalo a a sa the right of a Member to speak. dumalaneng, a teng mo Palamenteng e gompieno. A ba ka letlelelwa gore for the record, ba bue gore ke eng ba Question put and Division called for. sa dumalane? Ke a leboga. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Before you go into that procedure MR SPEAKER: …(Inaudible)… on the COVID-19 Honourable Leader of the House. Let me just maintain and so we adjourn. the same words that were maintained before we broke for tea, the ruling has been made. Unfortunately, HONOURABLE MEMBER: You called for the vote we cannot go back, I think we have agreed to vote. I after 4 p.m. cannot go back to what we have not agreed to do. I

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even remember Honourable Leader of the Opposition actually the “ayes” got the vote. I remember that there saying, let us go for voting. We have agreed to vote. Ke was a call from the Honourable Leader of Opposition kopa gore re tseye kgang e jalo, re tlhopheng, and then that we should go voting. When we left this place, we go ahead. The general agreement was that almost what was only left in the process was to do the voting, everyone, because I am not aware of somebody who where we do the “ayes” and the “noes.” So you are now actually disagreed with this Motion during the debate. saying a ke bona go siame? It is not about my opinion, I think we have agreed to vote. So we should go ahead it is about the decision of the House. Coming to your and vote Honourable Members. question ya a ke bona go siame, whether go siame kana ga go a siama, the House has made a decision ya gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leader of the House. MR SPEAKER: No! No! No! It is not about me HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. supporting or not, it is about the decision of the House, a MR TSOGWANE: Procedure. Bontlha bongwe o setse re e tlhaloganyeng. Ga ke a tshwanela gore ke re ke leka o bo arabile Mr Speaker. We have actually voted and go nna nice because ke na le gore ke ka ka fa kana ka fa. someone called for division of the House. That process The House has made a decision ya gore we vote and has been bolted Mr Speaker. Re utlwa Leader of the we agreed. I do not know why you are stopping this Opposition mme o di tlhaolela di setse di bekerwe ka because we should go ahead with the voting, finish this gore go setse go tlhophilwe. It is only that batho ba na le matter and go into another matter. I remember that this tshwanelo ya go ka kopa division. Fa re le kwa division, morning Honourable Keorapetse has been repeatedly ga ke bone gore re na le reverse gear e re ka kgonang go talking about the workload that we have before us. We tsena mo go yone. Ke a leboga. should avoid causing unnecessary delays to get the business of the House off our tables. So, Honourable MR HIKUAMA: Procedure. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Members, let us vote. A mme wena o le Speaker o bona go siame gore ba phathi e e busang ka dipalo tsa bone, ba tlhophe gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. ba ba tlisitsweng e le ba opposition ba se ka ba tsena mo debate, mo kgannyeng? Is it procedural gore e re MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, let us vote! batho ba tletse kwano go tla go bua mo dikgannyeng MR BOKO: Procedure Mr Speaker, it would assist us... tsa setšhaba, ba bo ba tlhophelwa ke ba Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) gore ba se ka ba bua? A wa MR SPEAKER: What procedure? re go siame fela, ke puso ya batho ka batho? Batho ba MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, ke tlhophile batho gore ba e go ba buelela, Domkrag ya re lebogela gore dinako tsotlhe fa ke emelela ka procedure, ba se ka ba ba buelelela. A o bona go siame fela? o a reetsa, o a nneela. MR SPEAKER: Le itse gore ke eng, with due respect to you Honourable Hikuama, you sometimes make HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… things very difficult. This House has made a decision… MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re re tlhaloganye ntlha HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… e, we are not challenging the decision of the House; if there is, what we are against is the manner in which we MR SPEAKER: This House. There was then voting arrived at that decision. The Speaker yo o neng a ntse and the “ayes…” fa o leng teng foo before re ya break, go na le sengwe se re dumelang gore o ka tswa a se tlodile. Firstly, go na le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. provision e e letlelelang gore fa go na le mongwe who MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members… holds a different view, o ka letlelelwa kana a fiwa tshono ya go tlhalosa gore nnyaa, nna my different view e ntse HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. jaana, and we have three to four of them this side ba in as much as gongwe bontsi bo dumalana le ka fa Motion MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, I am not going to o ntseng ka teng, they hold a different view. allow you to talk if you cannot allow me to finish my statement. The House has already made a decision and Secondly Mr Speaker, we understand that we are guided

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by the rules of this House; the Standing Orders, but we Honourable Members. I am not going to allow you to should understand gore di diretswe gore re di dirise, di speak because I can see now that we are going harbor se ka tsa re dirisa. Jaanong, se se diragetseng ke gore you on this thing e bo e felela e re tseetse nako, le ntse le itse are allowing the Standing Orders to use us instead of us gore we cannot reverse the decision that has been made as Members of this House to use them. Mapalamente by the House. Why are we now taking time debating a setse a buile gore this is a weighty matter and a very about something that we cannot reverse? sensitive issue e e buang ka madi a lefatshe a a kanakana. Re dumela gore ga go a siama gore ka gore Rre Balopi HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure Mr o ne a bona gore o setse a buile e bile o kgotsofetse, a Speaker. bo a emelela a kganela majority a a ka kwano, go buile MR SPEAKER: The question is that this House has batho ba le bane fela. Ka gore bone ba setse ba buile ka resolved that we stop the debate and allow the Minister dipalopalo ba kgotsofetse, ga a batle go re fa tshono, ene to respond. Clerk! ba ya go dirisa dipalo and this thing is going to stand there Mr Speaker… CLERK: His Excellency Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi! MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko! HIS EXCELLENCY THE PRESIDENT (DR HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure. MASISI): Present.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko! HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga go diriwe jalo, o MR BOKO: It has to be called off… tswa kae?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko! HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mmoleleng.

MR BOKO: …and you have to deal with it Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko! …Silence…

MR BOKO: Thank you. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, this is the procedure when we go into voting. We vote by either HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure. saying, “Aye” or “No.” So the clerk will be calling your name; if you support the Motion, you will be saying MR SPEAKER: I have warned you several times, you “Aye,” and if you do not, you say “No.” should actually refrain from the tendency of reviewing either the decision of the Speaker or of the House because we are now just going towards that.

MR BOKO: No, we are dealing with the route that was taken.

MR SPEAKER: No! No! No!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Can we go ahead with the voting.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yes.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: I have a question Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: I am proceeding with the voting

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CLERK:

MEMBER’S NAME AYE NO ABSTAIN ABSENT His Excellency Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi √ Honourable Kgotla Kenneth Autlwetse √ Honourable Mpho Balopi √ Honourable Yandani Boko √ Honourable Sam Justice Brooks √ Honourable Honest Buti Billy √ Honourable Dr Edwin Gorataone Dikoloti √ Honourable Dr Unity Dow √ Honourable Karabo Socraat Gare √ Honourable Dr Kesitegile Gobotswang √ Honourable Christian Greeff √ Honourable Kainangura Caterpillar Hikuama √ Honourable Liakat Kablay √ Honourable Kenny Kiniotiro Kapinga √ Honourable Goretetse Kekgonegile √ Honourable Dithapelo Lefoko Keorapetse √ Honourable Phildah Kereng √ Honourable Mmusi Kgafela √ Honourable Tshekedi Stanford Khama √ Honourable Dr Lemogang Kwape √ Honourable Leepetswe Lesedi √ Honourable Sethomo Lelatisitswe √

Honourable Aubrey Lesaso √ Honourable Dr Douglas Letsholathebe √ Honourable Thapelo Letsholo √ Honourable Friction Tshoganetso Leuwe √ Honourable Taolo Boipuso Lucas √ Honourable Polson Majaga √ Honourable Nnaniki Wilhemina Tebogo Makwinja √ Honourable Beauty Manake √ Honourable Tumisang Mangwegape-Healy √ Honourable Baratiwa Mathoothe √ Honourable Dr Thapelo Matsheka √ Honourable Wynter Boipuso Mmolotsi √ Honourable Kagiso Thomas Mmusi √ Honourable Simon Nkosana Moabi √ Honourable Lefoko Maxwell Moagi √ Honourable Pono Pearson Patson Moatlhodi √ Honourable Setlhabelo Naser Modukanele √

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Honourable Anna Maria Mokgethi √ Honourable Eric Mothibi Molale √ Honourable Fidelis Macdonald Molao √ Honourable Molebatsi Shimane Molebatsi √ Honourable Talita Monnakgotla √ Honourable Kabo Neale Sechele Morwaeng √ Honourable Mokwaledi Ignatius Moswaane √ Honourable Palelo Keitseope Motaosane √ Honourable Motsamai Gabantema Jelson Motsamai √ Honourable Dumezweni Meshack Mthimkhulu √ Honourable Kefentse Mzwinila √ Honourable Kgoberego Nkawana √ Honourable Tumiso Macdonald Rakgare √ Honourable Onneetse Ramogapi √ Honourable Mephato Reatile √ Honourable Oabile Regoeng √ Honourable Dumelang Saleshando √ Honourable Thulagano Merafe Segokgo √ Honourable Peggy Serame √ Honourable Machana Ronald Shamukuni √ Honourable Johane Luther-Tine Thiite √ Honourable Dr Never Tshabang √ Honourable David Tshere √ Honourable Slumber Tsogwane √

…Silence…

MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, here are your results: “Aye” 33, “No” 3, “Abstain” 2 and then 24 “Absent.” Therefore, this means the Ayes have it; the Ayes have it.

Question put and agreed to.

MR SPEAKER: At this juncture, Honourable Members, I am now calling upon the Minister of Finance and Economic Development, Honourable Matsheka to respond to the debates.

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (DR MATSHEKA): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke tseye nako e go leboga botlhe ba ke itseng gore ba ne ba eme, e bile go sena ope yo ke utlwileng a re o ganetsa mogopolo wa gore re dire thulaganyo ya gompieno.

Ke simolole pele ka go leboga Finance and Estimates Committee gore e bo e rile re tlisa kopo e mo pele ga bone e le Committee, ba e sekaseka ka bokgoni jwa bone. E bile ke lemoga mo report ya bone gore nnyaa, ba ne ba laleditse bomankge go tswa kwa Botswana Institute for Development Policy Analysis (BIDPA) le kwa Bank of Botswana gore ba ba gakolole ka kopo e re e beileng fa pele ga Palamente. Ke leboge gore ba ntshitse dintlha dingwe tse di mo mokwalong o, tse di supang ka nnete gore ba ne ba di sekasekile, e bile ba gakolola Palamente ka mowa o o iketlileng wa go itse gore ba tlhalogantse gore kopo e ke ya eng. Jaanong ke leboga Komiti ya ga Rre Letsholo le bakaulengwe ba ba mo komiting gore ba buile jalo. Ke ba tshepise gore dintlha tsotlhe tse ba di buileng mo mokwalong o ba re o beileng fa pele o, re tlaa di sekaseka go ya kwa pele jaaka e le one maikaelelo a gore fa re tlisa dilo fa pele ga Palamente, re tseye megopolo, re utlwe, e tle e re ntlheng fa re boang gape re tla kwano, kana

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re ye go baakanya kwa re bonang go tshwanetse gore re thiba phatlha yone e e tlaabong e le teng eo. Jaanong ke ka baakanya teng gore re kgone go tokafatsa bodiredi tsamaiso fela e e beilweng ya madi a re a phuthang re jwa rona. le Goromente, le le Palamente le a rebola mo boemong jwa setšhaba sa Botswana. Ke amogele gape gore ke lemogile mo bontsing jwa botlhe ba ba akgetseng gore le lemogile botlhokwa jwa Ntlha e nngwe e e builweng ke ya gore, ke bokete jo thulaganyo e re e kopang e, ya gore re kgone go oketsa bo kae jwa gore re adime madi, re ela tlhoko gore ga bond issuance e go ya kwa go P30 billion. Lotlhe le kaile re kolote go feta, gore bana ba ba tlang kwa morago ba fa e le nnete gore itsholelo ya lefatshe le e amilwe ke kgone gore ba itshegeletse go tsweledisa ditlhabololo bolwetse jo jwa COVID-19. Go amega jalo go kaya gore tsa lefatshe. Ke nngwe ya dintlha tse di botlhokwa go tlile go tlhokafala gore re dire tse di sa tlwaelesegang thata fa re dira thulaganyo ya gore re tswabakanye gore gore re kgone go kgobokanya madi a a lekanetseng gore re adima bokae, re phutha makgetho a a kae, kana re re tlise ditlhabololo ka tsela e e ka isang lefatshe la rona kgonne go phutha makgetho a a kae. Gone moo go kwa pele. Ka jalo, go raya gore tota mo go dumalaneng, bidiwa Intergenerational Equity, go supa gore between re dumalana rotlhe ka mowa o le osi wa gore re itse gore generations, o supa maikarabelo a gore ga o adime gore tota maikaelelo a tiriso ya madi a ke eng. e tle e re wena o seyo kamoso, bana ba bo ba sala le dikoloto fela wena o seyo foo go ka thusa ditlhabololo. Pele ga ke tsena mo go mongwe le mongwe yo o Ke dilo tse re di lebelelang fa re tlhomamisa tsela ya rona akgetseng, ke tlhomamise gape gore, ke tlhalositse ya gore re adima madi a a kae, re tsamaisa programme e maloba fa ke bua fa gore bond issuance e go tewa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. gotwe le letlelele Goromente gore mo nakong e e tlhokafalang, a kgone go tsamaisa pampitshana ya go Ke le kaeditse gape gore dikoloto tse di tsewang di ne ka adima madi mo mmarakeng wa Botswana. Madi a di beilwe mo Public Finance Management Act gore e a phuthiwang ka nako nngwe le nngwe mo mmarakeng nne 4 per cent ya deficit. Jaanong re supa gape gore, wa Botswana, a tsena mo Consolidated Fund; one madi gone moo, re mo limit eo mme ntswa gone mo deficit a lona le le Palamente le a rebolang ngwaga le ngwaga. re tsamaya mo go 7 per cent. Dikoloto tsone limit e e Jaanong ga se madi a e leng gore kana Goromente o ya beilweng ke 40 per cent, mme re kgakala le go kopana le go a amogelela kwa thoko ga ditsamaiso le thulaganyo palo eo, re tsamaya mo go 20 per cent. Go supa gore mo e e beilweng le melao ya lefatshe le gore madi a a go tsamaiseng madi a setšhaba, re santse re nonofetse phuthiwang ke Goromente a ya kwa kae. Jaanong ke le re le Puso gore tiro eo re e dira ka tsela e e sekegelang tshepise gore, ba le neng le ntse le re nnyaa madi a ya tsamaiso ya rona go tlhomamisa gore ga re adime mo go dirisiwa botlhaswa, ke re kwa bofelong fa re ntsha go feteletseng. bonds tseo, madi ao a tsena mo Consolidated Fund, mme le tlaabo le kgona go a rebola le le Palamente. Ke batla gape ke gakolole Mapalamente gore, re ne re bua maloba re tlisa moalo wa NDP 11 le Economic Se se botlhokwa gape ke gore, re itse gore fa re bua Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP) re supa gore gore go na le pharologanyo gare ga madi a a tsenang le fa re bua ka efficient Government spending, re raya ditshenyegelo, deficit yone eo, ngwaga le ngwaga fa re gore fa re adima madi a, re tlhomamise gore a ya go tla fa pele ga lona le le Palamente, re le lemotsha gore dirisiwa mo projects tse di transformational, e bile di seelo sa tlhaelo ya madi jaaka re ne re kaile ka February ya go kgona go baka ditiro ka palo e e siametseng gore ke P5 billion; pharologanya fa gare ga madi a a tsenang re ka kgona go ya kwa pele. Gone fela moo bagaetsho, le a a a tswang. Re le kaeditse gape gore go ya kwa pele thulaganyo e re e kopileng e, e ntse e mo moonong le ka kamo ya COVID-19, deficit eo e ya go nna P13 billion, maikaelelo a rona a gore fa re adima madi, re bo re lebile go bo go raya gore jaanong tlhaelo e oketsegela kwa pele gore re tswakanya jang, e bile re tswelela re tlhomamisa ya madi ao. Fa re tla kwa go lona le le Palamente re tla gore lefatshe le le tlaa tswelela le eme sentle. go kopa gore le rebole madi a ngwaga, re le kaetsa gore re ya go dirisa bokae mo bonds to support this deficit. Ke gakologelwa Honourable Serame; o ne a buile thata Re le kaetsa gore re ya go tsaya bokae mo Government ka gore re kgone go tswabakanya kadimo ya bonds tse, Investment Account go thiba deficit eo. Re le kaetsa gape e bile re kgone go tlhomamisa gore both the short-term gore re ya go tsaya bokae mo makgethong, go supa gore and long-term bonds, go baakanya gone mo re go bitsa go ya go tswa bokae mo makgethong gore re kgone go re re ke yield curve, e tsamaya sentle go tlhomamisa

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gore ga go nne le mo go bidiwang liquidity mismatch, madi fa thoko, re sa a tsenye kwa a tshwanetseng go or pharologanyo gare ga madi a a adimilweng le tsena teng. Gongwe e bile fa re adima madi jaana, re dituelo tse di teng. Gone moo, ke dilo tse re di dirang tlaa kgona go a dirisa ka tsela e re itseng gore re kolota go tlhomamisa gore kadimo ya rona e eme ka tsela e e motho mongwe. Fa re a dirisa re itse gore ke a rona fela, tlaabong e siametse lefatshe la rona. ga go na ope yo o ka re botsang dipotso, le fa e le gore ga go a kgona go tsamaya sentle, nnyaa, ke ntse ke a Ke itse gore go ne go na le projects tse di builweng ke rona, re tlaa ya go tsaya kwa re neng re beile teng. Gone Mapalamente fa. Ke boammaaruri gore go na le mo moo fela, go tlile go tlisa mo gotweng discipline, gore gotweng institutional investors. Fa re bua re re our bond mongwe le mongwe yo o tsayang madi, a itse gore madi market ga e a tlhabologa ka seemo se e leng gore e na le a, o a adimilwe. Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, a itse gore a liquidity e ntsi, e supa the structure of our markets gore ya go busiwa. Jaanong tiriso ya one, ke yone tsela e e it is still institutional investors who dominate market. siametseng gore re ka dira jang. Ke tlhomamise gape Nngwe ya dilo tse re di buileng fa re kopa thebolelo gore re lebile tsela e e ntšha ya go bona gore tota re e ya lona le le Palamente, ra re nngwe ya dilo tse di ka dira projects ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Infrastructure tlaa diragalang ke gore re oketse liquidity in the market development e re buang ka yone e, e tlile go batla just and trading. Le solofele gape gore re tlaa boa re boela Expression of Interest (EOI) gore batho ba ba ikemetseng kwano ka gore the main objective kwa ntle ga to finance ka nosi, ba supe kgatlhego ya go dira projects tse, e bile projects gompieno, is also to promote an active bonds ba bo ba di duelele. Ba bo ba re di neela re le Puso gore market, re kgone gore kwa bofelelong, dikai tse le neng re di dirise, re batle ditsela tsa gore ba tlaa boelwa ka le di bua tsa bo Kenya, di buiwa ke bo Honourable Moagi ditsela tse di ntseng jang. Ke metlhale e re e setseng ka fa morago game ka fa, ke dikai tse di supang markets morago gompieno go tlhomamisa gore go ya kwa pele, that are mature. It is actually that intention Mr Speaker, re ya go dira ditiro ka tsela e e farologanyeng, e bile re gore re kgone go rotloetsa thata gore Batswana le bone dira jang. ba kgone go ithekela diabe tse di tlhofofaditsweng mo market, e se tsa madi a a kwa godimo, di kgona gore Ke batla ke tlhalose ntlha e ya exchange controls; di bo di kgaogantswe matokitoki, mongwe le mongwe bagaetsho, go na le moalo o o o dirisang o le Puso. yo o nang le P100.00 a kgone go ithekela bond e e Ba bangwe ba ka nna ba tsena, ba bo ba re ba ya go ntshitsweng ke Goromente wa Botswana. tsenya exchange controls. Nnyaa, re batla go rotloetsa mongwe le mongwe yo o tsenang mo a gweba, a nne le Nngwe ya dilo tse di faphegileng ka bonds, e bile di tshepho ya gore ga e kitla e re kamoso, re bo re tswala ntshiwa ke Puso, di bidiwa gotwe they are risk free. Ke melelwane, re tsaya dithoto tsa gagwe a iketse ka madi gore o setse o itse gore madi a gago o ya go a bona. Ga a gagwe. Ke one molao o rona re tsamaisang ka one re di ntshiwe ke mongwe le mongwe. Di sireletsegile gore itse gore re batla go rotloetsa bagwebi ba ba tsamayang fa o e rekile, o kgona go robala o itse gore nnyaa, mme ka one. Ke tlhalositse gape gore, ga go reye gore ga go ke Goromente, fa a leng teng, o a itse gore o tsere madi na molao. Re ne re le fa maloba ke tlisa molao wa go mo Batswaneng e bile o tlaa busa. baakanya makgetho, go supa gore fa o dira kgwebo mono, o na le diofisi kwa London le America, re patika Ke tlhomamise gape gore jaaka re ne re bua ka Public gore mafatshe a neelane dikitso tsa gore o dira eng kwa o Private Partnerships (PPPs), ntswa Leader of the leng teng. A madi a o a dirang mo Botswana, o a fudusa Opposition a re ga di di ntsha, bagaetsho, ke tsamaiso otlhe o tshaba lekgetho la Botswana? Thulaganyo e, e ya go bona gore tota re tokafatsa jang tse re di dirang re ne e direlwa gore dimmaraka di bulele lefatshe lotlhe le Puso go netefatsa gore funding e re buang ka yone… ka bophara. Batho ba kgone go dira kgwebo kwa ba ba mme ke kwadile gape, go kwadilwe mo ERTP gore re bonang go siame teng gore ba ka dira jalo. ya go dirisa bonds, Pension Funds and PPPs go dira projects tse. Le tlaabo le ntse le le teng Mapalamente Ke itse gore go builwe ka projects; mongwe le mongwe go tlhomamisa gore dilo tse tsotlhe, di diragala ka tsela o ne a kopa sepatela, ba bangwe ditsela, le tse le neng le e e ntseng jang. di kopa. Boammaaruri ke gore, madi ga a lekane. Madi Mo kgannyeng e e neng e buiwa ke Rre Mmolotsi, ke a ke kopang gore le a rebole a, le ya go boa le a rebolela boammaaruri we are at a stage of scarcity. E bile le se projects tse di farologanyeng. Re buile ka prioritisation ka la ikgakgamalela ka gore gongwe go nna prudent ga go supa gore tota ke dife tse di tshwanetseng go tsena rona, go ne ga dira gore re ikanye go tlhola re phutha pele. Ga di kitla di tsena tsotlhe, seo ke a se tlhomamisa.

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Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, go batla re le Puso, re tlhophe Kgang ya beneficiation e e neng e buiwa ke Rre Lesaso, tse re bonang gore di tlaa tsamaya ka tsela e e siameng. e teng mo mananeong a rona otlhe. Go supa gore ga se maikaelelo a gore re fuduse magala a tsamaye otlhe a ye Ke tlhalositse maloba ke araba potso ya ga Rre kwa mafatsheng a mangwe. Ke kgang e e teng, e a tshela Ramogapi gore P2 billion o o neng a buiwa fa gore ka gore re itlamile gore go batla ditiro le go tlhomamisa o dirile eng. Ke boditswe potso fa, ke supa gore P2 gore bana ba lefatshe ba anywa meamuso ya lefatshe le, billion o o neng a tsentswe ke Goromente mo COVID, go nna jaaka re buile. Ke tsaya gore fa re farologane, o dirisitswe ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Ke le boleletse gongwe re ka tswa re fela pelo gore go tlaa diragala ka gape gore audit e tsweletse gompieno. Audit e na le nako e e khutshwane. Ke tlhalositse gape gore ga re metlhale e e farologanyeng ya go tlhomamisa gore madi kitla re adima madi gore re ye go reka food hampers. a a dirisitsweng mo go tsa dijo ke afe, a ke nnete go Go adima madi a, ke go lebelela ditlhabololo tse di tsamaile jalo? Wage subsidy; ke bafe ba ba dirisitseng tlhokafalang, re tle re kgone go baka ditiro. Batswana ba madi a wage subsidy sentle? Ke bafe ba ba neetsweng nne le ditiro tse ba di dirang ba kgone go itshetsa. E tlaa madi? Companies tsotlhe tse di neetsweng madi, ba a nna kgang e e leng gore lona le le Palamente, le tlaabo dirisitse jang? A ba duetse babereki? Ke buile gore re ne le ntse le le teng go ka kaya gore le eletsa gore e nne dife ra ntsha dipalo tsa dikompone tsotlhe le babereki bao. Ba tse di tlhokang go dirwa. Ditlhabololo tsotlhe di kganela bangwe ba ngongoregile gore le rona re le Mapalamente, rural-urban migration. Go na le Komiti e e eteletsweng companies tsa rona ga di a duela babereki jaaka re pele ke Mothusa Tautona ya Rural Development solofetse. Dilo tse di ntseng jalo bagaetsho, di ya go Council (RDC). E lebile metlhale le dithulaganyo tse di tswa mo pegong ka gore le rona re na le the businesses farologanyeng tsa gore re ka dira jang go fokotsa seelo fa. Re tlaabo re supa gore kompone ya ga Matsheka le sa phudugo go tla mo ditoropong, go itse gore jaanong ya ga Keorapetse, di hirile batho ba le kana, Goromente Batswana ba theogelele kwa ba leng teng. o ba neetse bokana, a ba duetse? Ke yone transparency e ke tlileng go le e neela. Sebe sa phiri ke gore, report E rile fa re bua ka Economic Recovery and e ka nna ya goroga ka Palamente e e latelang. E tlaare Transformation Plan (ERTP), Rre Motsamai le fa a fa go tlhokafala gore re tlhalose dilo tse, re di tlhalose. santse a dule, re buile ka ditlhabololo tse re batlang go Projects tse di neng di buiwa tse dingwe tsa boBCL le di dira mo kgaolong ele. Re buile ka gore go diragala Palapye; tseo di tlaa tla di arabiwa fela ka tlhamalalo eng kwa Walvis Bay le Gobabis. Re batla go dira jang ka ke boTona ba ba lebaneng, ba sedimosetse Palamente e tomagano ya kgaolo eo le North West. Go tlhomamisa gore, maikaelelo a matona ke eng. gore diitsholelo tsa dikgaolo tse, di tsamaya ka tsela e e siameng. Re ka supa kwa morago gore re ya go dira Ke a itse gore bontsi jwa lona le buile ka corruption. jang. Ke tlhalositse bagaetsho gore fa gotwe the rule of law, go tewa re letlelela maphata a a lebaganyeng go dira Honourable Keorapetse o buile thata ka quantitative ditlhotlhomiso go fitlhelela ba di fetsa. E seng fela e easing le go leka go bona ditsela tse di farologanyeng. re o utlwa gotwe go tlhotlhomisiwa se, e bo e le gore Mathata a a matona jaaka ke ne ke bua ke gore, fa o ka bala jaanong ke corruption. Re tshwanetse go emela gore dipampiri tse dintsi, di tlaa go kaetsa bontsi jwa maipato go fetswe ditlhotlhomiso, ke yone the rule of law. Re ke gore opportunities kana kwa go ka tsenngwang madi tlhomamisa gore ba ba dirang molao, ba a letlelelwa teng, ga go kalokalo. Quantitative easing e bereka go o dira ba sa kgorelediwe ke ope gore ba dire tiro motlhofo in an environment e e siametseng kgwebo. Re ya bone. Ke dilo tse di botlhokwa gore re tlotle re le mo seemong se e leng gore even to trade fela sentle mo Mapalamente, jaaka re ne re bua maabane ka corruption go normal in our market, ga go yo. perception. Perception e e bakwa ke dipampiri le dipuo Mo kgannyeng ya revenue diversification; e supa tse re di buang le rona re le Mapalamente. Fa re re go na seemo sa itsholelo ya rona gore e ikaegile ka eng. Ka le tshenyetso-setšhaba, batho ba dumela dilo tse e leng tsela e e ntseng jalo, fa o ka lebelela dipalo le definition gore ga re na bosupi jwa tsone, le go ka di rurifatsa le fela ya diversification, o tlaa bona gore re kgonne go rona gore tota re bua ka ga eng ka dinako tsotlhe. Re tlaa fudusa ka tsela e e farologanyeng itsholelo gore e tswe tswelela re leba ditsela tse di farologanyeng tsa gore re thata mo ditswammung ntswa re eletsa gore e gole mo oketse letseno mo itsholelong ya rona ka ditsela tse di dintlheng tsotlhe tsa itsholelo. Re buile ka Monitoring farologanyeng. and Evaluation (M&E), ke dilo tse di botlhokwa thata

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gore re di dire. Re itse gore re kgona go lebelela, e bile (Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture re tlhomamise gore tsotlhe tse re di dirang, di bereka Development) sentle. Second Reading-Forthwith. Kwa bofelong ke ame kgang ya blacklisting le choice ya gore a o dirisa madi a o nang le one kana o ya go adima mo HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… mmarakeng wa lona o o mo gae, kana kwa mafatsheng MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, a o ipaakantse a sele. Ke tshwetso e e tsewang ke Goromente a lebile sentle? gore fa mongwe a tla go re direla ditlhabololo dingwe, re bona gore madi ao a a tura, ga re di tseye. Re batla MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, tsela e e botoka e e tlaa sireletsang madi a rona gore go SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR nne jalo. Kgang ya blacklisting kwa bofelong e amana RAKGARE): Ee rra. le tiriso ya melao, ga e amane le tshenyetso-setšhaba. A melao ya lona e nonofetse go ka thiba madi a a sa MR SPEAKER: O ipaakantse. The floor is yours. siamelang go ka tsena mo lefatsheng? A melao ya lona e MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Mr Speaker. nonofetse gore o ka bona madi ao fa a tsena? A le kgona Mr Speaker, I beg to move… go a bona fa a tswa? Blacklisting e, e tswa foo, ga e tswe mo go reng kana go na le tshenyetso-setšhaba ya MR KEORAPETSE: On a point of procedure. Mr maemo a a kwa godimo go feta ya mafatshe a mangwe. Speaker, ke ne ke re o tlhole gore a mme re setse morago Ke tlhalose selo se. Ke tlhalositse gape maloba gore it is procedure because kana this Bill has been read a first about law enforcement gore o patika jang gore mongwe time, gape I am not sure if it has matured and I thought le mongwe a bue gore fa a tlola kwa molelwaneng, o the Minister will move on either a Certificate of Urgency tshotse madi a a kae. Ke le boleletse gore re tlaabo re or move that it be… lebeletse regulations tseo go tlhomamisa gore re fokotsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… madi a a tsamayang mo itsholelong ya rona, e bile a kgona go supiwa gore tota a dirilwe ka tsela e e ntseng MR SPEAKER: That is why Honourable Keorapetse, jang. Ke le tlhomamisetse gore re tsweletse mo tseleng I asked the Minister when for Second Reading. That is eo go e tokafatsa. why ke mmotsa gore a o ipaakantse Minister. Go ahead Jaanong Mr Speaker, ke ne ke kopa to move. I do move Minister, the floor is yours. Mr Speaker, that this Honourable House resolves, MOTION TO PROCEED ON A BILL AS pursuant to Section 8 (1) of the Stock Bonds and A MATTER OF URGENCY Treasury Bills Act, 2005, and Section 20 of the Public Finance Management Act, 2011, to authorise an increase MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, of the Bond Issuance Programme from the current P15.0 SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR billion to a total of P30.0 billion. I so move. I thank you RAKGARE): Mr Speaker, I beg to move in terms of Mr Speaker. Standing Order 72.3 that the Bill and all its stages be proceeded as a matter of urgency. It is critical that we HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… treat this Bill as urgent for the following reasons: Question put and agreed to. (i) Mr Speaker, the creative sector has been adversely MR SPEAKER: Now Honourable Members, we affected by the COVID-19 pandemic and requires continue with the business of today. our urgent attention to resuscitate and stimulate First Reading this sector. This Bill will serve as a catalyst for PRESENTATION OF A GOVERNMENT the growth and development of the creative sector. BILL (ii) It will also serve to facilitate implementation of The following Bill was presented and read a first time. the National Development Plan (NDP) 11 Mid- Term Review and the Economic Recovery and NATIONAL ARTS COUNCIL OF Transformation Plan (ERTP) which has just been BOTSWANA BILL, 2020 (NO. 19 OF approved by this Honourable House. Passing of 2020) the Bill at this time will enable the ministry to

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include the budget allocation for the Arts Council individually, ba ye go rerisa kwa dikgaolong tsa bone, ba in this year’s budgeting process. ye go rerisa ka tsela e Mapalamente ba rerisang ka yone ka gore go farologane le ka fa Goromente a rerisang ka Mr Speaker, I wish to assure Honourable Members that teng le ka fa Mapalamente ba rerisang ka teng… the Bill is a product of wide consultation of the various stakeholders. Such consultations started years ago and MR MAJAGA: On a point of procedure. Ke a leboga culminated in the production of the draft Bill in 2020. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Honourable Final consultations were held this year when an open Member, gongwe o tlhalose kgang ya gore melao e ne call for submission of written comments was made by e fetisiwa bosigo batho ba robetse ka gore batho fa ba my ministry and over 531 people obtained copies of robetse, ga ke bone ba ka fetisa melao. Ga se gore ba ne the Bill and up to 30 individuals and 25 organisations ba e fetisa bosigo ba lebile? submitted their comments. These comments were considered during the drafting of this Bill. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Majaga, that is not a point of procedure. Mr Speaker, the National Arts Council of Botswana Bill, MR KEORAPETSE: Nnyaa, o ntiela nako. Batswana 2020 (No. 19 of 2020) was published in the Government ba ne ba robetse ka bo 4 maphakela, rona re le mo Gazette on the 28th of August 2020. The ministry stands Palamenteng re dira melao. Ke sone se ke neng ke se ready to implement the Bill as soon as it is passed into bua Honourable Majaga. Tota se ke se buang ke gore, law. I therefore request Honourable Members to deal Honourable Rakgare go botlhokwa gore o ntlhaloganye, with this Bill efficiently in debating and passing it se o tlileng fa ka sone ke a se support, ke a se amogela; the urgently. I thank you Mr Speaker. Bill. My issue ke proceeding on a Certificate of Urgency MR SPEAKER: The floor is open. because I feel gore the skies will not fall. I expressed my worry Mr Speaker, gore o kare towards the end ya MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Palamente, golo ga teng it is a trend, o go ele thoko mo Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ga records tsa rona. Fa Palamente e ya kwa motsubong, o ke eme Tshutiso e e beilweng ke Honourable Rakgare kare Government Business e nna ntsi mo Order Paper to nokeng, ya gore the National Arts Council of Botswana the point where nako e okediwang. Go re rontsha sebaka Bill, 2020 (No. 19 of 2020) be proceeded on through a sa to consult, gape re tseye nako re bua dikgang. Ke Certificate of Urgency. sone se o bonang Tshutiso ya ga Honourable Matsheka e fetile ka bonako. Mr Speaker, we have indicated before gore tota melao e e tshwanetse to mature mo Government Gazette, mme e HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. bile setšhaba se fiwe tshono ya gore ba ntshe maikutlo a bone. Ke sa ntlha. MR KEORAPETSE: Ke ne ke re ke wele, I do not want to take long. Sa bobedi Mr Speaker, ke kile ka bua go le mo mosong gore o lebelele melao ka bontsi e e tseneng on Certificate MR SPEAKER: Procedure Honourable Lelatisitswe. of Urgency, e mengwe re e fetisa go le bosigo, batho ba MR LELATISITSWE: Procedure. The procedure of robetse, rona mo Palamenteng re dira melao. Mabaka the House ke gore, fa motho a motivate o tsaya a very a a neng a tlisiwa ke Honourable Rakgare a gore short time. Jaanong, ke bona a buetse ruri fela. maikaelelo ke gore molao o diragadiwe as soon as it is passed or adopted by this Parliament, a ne a ntshiwa ka HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… nako eo, mme re ne re bona melao eo gape e boela mo Palamenteng go tla e baakanngwa. MR LELATISITSWE: Ke ne ke re procedure of the House Mr Speaker, ke gore fa motho a motivate, o bua O tlaa gakologelwa gore go na le nako e go neng ga nako e khutshwane. Jaanong o a debate. Ke kopa gore o fetisiwa melao, ke a dumela e ne e feta lesome go ya go mo emise yo mongwe a tsene. tsena kwa go 15 nako e le nngwefela, mme bontsi jwa yone e le gore we proceeded ka a Certificate of Urgency. MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, a re o a wetsa. Jaanong ke na le mathata one a gore fa Goromente a rerisitse, ka tsela e a rerisang ka yone, e bo e le gore MR KEORAPETSE: Ee rra. Ke tshwenngwa ke jaanong ga a fe Mapalamente tshono ya gore bone bolope jwa ga Honourable Lelatisitswe lately, ga ke mo

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itse a ntse jaana. Anyway, kgang ya me e ne e le yone eo a ile kwa tlase. Ke sone sebaka se re se tshwereng se, Mr Speaker, gore I am worried ka fa e reng fa Palamente sa go lebelela gore ke eng re ka se ke re buisane Bill e e ya kwa bokhutlong, e bo go nna le pile ya Government ka potlako, re lebeletse gore fa badiragatsi ba ka kgona Business e e kanakana. go itsamaisa, go itirela ditiro ba tsamaisiwa ke Molao- kakanyetso o, o ka bo one maikaelelo le maikemisetso HIS EXCELLENCY THE PRESIDENT (DR a one e leng go tokafatsa matshelo a badiragatsi mo go MASISI): Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke tsa itsholelo. a itumela gore o bo ntshupile le gore ke bo ke le fano gompieno. Dumelang Mapalamente a a tlotlegang. Ke ipotsa gore, fa re ka tlhokomologa se re bo re re Bill e ga e na any urgency re ka e buisana (debate) ka HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Dumelang. November, a mme re dumela gore badiragatsi mo nakong DR MASISI: Ke batla go ema ke supa ke sa oshaoshe, e ka boammaaruri rotlhe re itse gore ba tlhokana le rona gore ke ema Tshutiso e nokeng. Ke kopa Palamente e e re le Palamente, gore Bill ya go nna jaana e buisanngwe tlotlegang ya Botswana gore le yone e eme nokeng, ka (debate). A mme re tlaabo re dira se re se tletseng mo mabaka a a tlhamaletseng a a utlwalang. Palamenteng? Kana go tla mo Palamenteng re tlela go diragatsa melao, re dira paakanyo mo melaong mengwe Batho ba rona ba bodiragatsi, go sa tlhaole gore ba e e sa tsamaiseng setšhaba sa rona sentle. tswa kae le dingwaga tsa bone ba mo leshekereng la bogologolo, le le ngotlileng kana la kgama letseno la Kopo ya me ke gore, a re boneng botlhokwa, re se ka bone la madi. Kgang e ke e e batlang gore e tsibogelwe. ra itebelela rona, re bone botlhokwa jwa gore Bill e e Fa motho a lela ka lenyora a phaphaletse, o bo re o ya go buisanwe. Go ntse go sena ka fa ba kgonang go dira madi buisana gore motho yo a o tshwerwe ke lenyora, batho ka teng, le go itsamaisa ka teng, Bill e e batla to address ba ka re leba ka leitlho le sele. Ke a le kopa Mapalamente that problem. Ke dumela gore ke nako ka boammaaruri, a Botswana rotlhe fela, go na le dipaka tse dingwe tse di ka fa re tlholang re bua ka teng, Honourable Minister tlaa tlamang Palamente go potlakela diemo. o re fa instrument e re ka e dirisang go tlisa botshelo jo bo botoka mo badiragatsing. Kana badiragatsi ga re Dikgang tsa gore fa gongwe dilo di tla di gosomana bue fela ka baopedi, re tshwanetse re itse gore go na le Palamente e ela go fela, nnyaa, ke tiro ya rona re a a sector nngwe foo, ya film industry e e tlhokang gore e itse, ke rona re iphetlhang mo Palamenteng mo. Re diragadiwe ka botlalo. Ke sone se ke reng go botlhokwa mapolotiki, re a ikitse re a itsane. Go na le golo mo go buisana Bill e mo letsatsing leno. Ke a leboga. gotweng filibustering. Go ka gogiwa dikgang di ya kwa le kwa, nako e tsamaya. Palamente e beetswe nako, MR SPEAKER: Just a second Honourable Mmolotsi. rotlhe re a go itse. Gore molao re o badile, re ya go bala Honourable Members, I think re tsaya lebaka, we need go batla dikgakololo, re kgona go tsiboga fa diemo di to move fast re fetse re tle re tswelele ka business ya batla gore go tsibogiwe. today.

Ke a le kopa Mapalamente a Palamente ya Botswana ya MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): Ke a bo Lesome le Bobedi, e ke e se ka ya re fa go lebiwa go leboga Mr Speaker. Ke supe fela gore kana tsamaiso e kwalwa ditso, ga fitlhelwa e le rona ba re ganneng go e tlwaelesegileng go tswa kgakala ya go dira molao mo neela bana ba Modimo botshelo. Ke a itumela. lefatsheng leno, ke tsamaiso ya gore Bills were published ASSISTANT MINISTER OF YOUTH before Palamente e tsena. They were published gore EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE Mapalamente ba kgone go buisana le batlhophi ba bone, DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Ke a leboga ba tseye inputs tsa bone ka maikaelelo a gore e re fa re Honourable Speaker. Ke ema jaana ke kopa bakaulengwe tla mo Palamenteng, re bo re tla re tsere megopolo e e gore a re letleleleng Bill e go tsena. Ka lebaka la gore, tsamaelanang le ka fa setšhaba se batlang melao e dirwa fa re ka se ke re dire jalo, mme gape re sena nako ya ka teng. Golo moo with time, go fetoga ka tsela e re gore COVID-19 ya go fela leng, kana re ya go kgona direlang batho melao e ba iseng ba e bone, kwa morago bolwetse leng, re bo re gana dilo tse re itseng di ka thusa re bo re lemoga gore molao o tota o ga se one bao ba ba go lwantsha diemo tse re di bonang. Ke dumela gore direlwang molao wa teng o tlaa ba itumedisang. ba rotlhe mo dikgaolong tsa rona, re na le badiragatsi. Maloba fa re le kwa Francistown ke na le Honourable Ba lela ka gore ga ba na madi le gore matshelo a bone

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Rakgare le Honourable Buti Billy, badiragatsi ba ne ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure. kopa gore ba ne ba eletsa go bona molao o, pele ga o ka buisanngwa fa gore ba ikgotsofatse gore tota o bua MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, Honourable Ramogapi, ga e le dikeletso tsa bone. Ke a gakgamala gore letsatsi leno ka ke ya re ke eme ka maoto o bo o re further procedure. Minister, re ne re le mmogo badiragatsi ba kopa, e bo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ke ne ke re ke e le ene yo o batlang gore re tle to discuss molao mo tlatsa... Palamenteng, re ise re tsamaye re ya to consult batho kwa dikgaolong tsa rona. MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, iketle pele. You are quite right Leader of the House. Legale fa ke bua ka re motlotlegi, Mr Speaker, dikgaolo tsa rona di na le badiragatsi ba gongwe ke tle ke balance ke re mototegi, ba tle ba bantsi, ba ba botlhale, ba ba eletsang to contribute mo nkutlwe sentle bagaetsho. Ke tsaya gore batotegi ba melaong e e ba tsamaisang. E tle e re kwa bofelong jwa a itse gore this is just a short question kind of debate, letsatsi, molao o o fela ba bo ba kgotsofaletse gore ba because we even now want to proceed with the detailed nnile le se ba ka se buang ka one, mme ke one molao o debate later. Jaanong ga ke itse gore ke eng batlotlegi o tlang o re tsamaisa. o kare ba natefelelwa ke go nnela ruri mo kgannyeng Tota go tla go bua molao ka diamaramara, mme e le e. Motlotlegi Wynter Mmolotsi, can you conclude your molao o o direlwang batho ba ba nang le ditlhaloganyo debate, from there we can then move to the next step. tsa bone, le dikitso ka se ba se dirang, rona re le fa re MR LEUWE: Further procedure. Thank you Mr sena dikitso tse di kalokalo ka industry eo, ga go re Speaker. thuse. Mapalamente ke baemedi ba batho, and it does not mean gore fa o le moemedi wa batho, o botlhale HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopile procedure go feta batho ba o ba emetseng. It only means phatlha pele ga ga Honourable Leuwe Mr Speaker. e ne e le nngwefela ya gore go nne le Mopalamente wa Francistown South. Gore ke kgone go tla go thusa mo MR LEUWE: Ke dumela gore batlotlegi ba dirwa ke dikgannyeng, ke tshwanelwa ke gore ke bo ikopantse nako. Golo kwa o fiwa 10 minutes go bua; gongwe le experts mo tsamaisong ya gore ba direlwa molao o fa o ne o ka regulate nako e go laolele gore re bue go o ntseng jang. Gore ke bo ke tsena fa, ke claim gore ke sekaenyana fela, ke gone go ka berekang sentle. Thank ka kgona go ba akanyetsa botoka, ga go dire gore dilo you Mr Speaker. di tsamaye sentle. We always think for batho, mme e le gore we are …(Interruption)… to those areas. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, kana fa le bona re ne re lekanyeditse (set) watch jaana, re ne re re MR TSOGWANE: Procedure. Ga ke tlhomamise sentle re le fa only 10 minutes to debate this Bill, gore re leke gore batlotlegi ba go utlwile le gore tota se o se kopang, to balance, but the whole thing depends on you, because kana se se kopiwang gore batlotlegi ba dumalane le if you continue and continue, ga go nne sentle. sone kana ba se ka ba dumalana sone ke eng. Jaanong ba debate Bill, mme go kopiwa gore a e ka tla ya tsena, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... ya buisanngwa (debate). Ke yone kopo e re e emetseng fa. A Bill e ka tsena ya buisanngwa (debate)? MR SPEAKER: Ee, go raya gore ke tswe kwa go e e kwa ele. Honourable Ramogapi, ke buile le wena O ka bua ka mabaka a makhutshwane a gore ke eng o gantsinyana. Ke gore fa o sa utlwe ke gosomana mo go sa dumalane le moo, kana ke eng o dumalana le moo. wena, ga o je monate. O batla fela fa ke re ke tlaa go Ga go tlhokane le go bua Bill jaanong ka bophara. Ke gosomanela, ke gone o tlaa tlhaloganyang. Fa ke eme tsaya gore o tshwanetse go neela batlotlegi nako, ka Honourable Ramogapi, you do not come up with a new gore tsamaiso ke gore o ba beele nako. Fa o re two point of procedure. What did you want to say? minutes or five minutes o a dumalana, ntsha mabaka ka bokhutshwane fa o dumalana kana o sa dumalane ka MR RAMOGAPI: Procedure. Mr Speaker, ka gore to debate Bill go sa dumalanwa gore e tsene kana e bokhutshwanyane ke ne ke dumalana le wena, gongwe o se ka ya tsena, ga go mo tsamaisong. ne o sa solofela gore ke tlaa go thusa. Ke ne ke go thusa go tsamaisa Ntlo fela ka bokhutshwane. Ke dumalana MR SPEAKER: You are quite right Honourable Leader le wena ka re nako e ntse e a tsamaya batlotlegi. A re of the House.

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tseneng mo debate fa e le gore re tsena mo go yone. Ke re tlaa... tsaya gore fa re tlisitse two ka kwano, two ka kwa, a re tswaleng kgang, re tswelele. Ke yone fela kgang e ke MR TSOGWANE: Procedure. Kana re a bo re go neng ke re ke e fetise. gakolotse. Batho ba tshwana le bo Wynter Mmolotsi, ke mathata. Ga ke itse gore ba ba ba romelang mo HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… Palamenteng, tota ba a bo ba bonye eng. Re go gakolotse ra re o lekanyetse (set) nako, gompieno o mo kopile MR SPEAKER: Jaanong o a buile. Ka ke a bona gore gore a re bueng ka bokhutshwane. Bo Rre Moatlhodi matsogo ke ale a santse a tsholetsegile, ke tseya one-one ke ba, ba teng, ba batla go bua dilo tse di ka utlwiwang on both sides. One this side, one this side. ke batho kwa dikgaolong, gore a ba dumalana kana ga HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mmolotsi o kae? ba dumalane, ene a bo a fapoga a tswa mo tseleng, a re Ntlo e e tletse dinyao le go tshameka. Ke kopa gore o MR SPEAKER: No, it is Honourable Kapinga, flag is mmusetse mo tseleng ka mafoko fela a a bogale, a batho up. Oh! Honourable Mmolotsi, conclude your statement ba Francistown South ba tlaa bonang gore ba itiretse and then we go to Honourable Kapinga, then we pick phoso. one from this side, if any. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leader of the House, ke MR MMOLOTSI: Mr Speaker, tota kgang ke yone mo kgalemile, ke tsaya gore o utlwile. Remember I had e. I think concern ya me e utlwetse, mme gape ga ke asked him to stop being irrelevant fa a bua, but o ne debate Bill. I am surprised gore Leader of the House a ntsietsa a bo a nthaya a re o ne a feta fela. Jaanong a re ke debate Bill. I have not touched anything on the Honourable Mmolotsi, can you finish your statement. Bill. I was only talking about dikgang tse nna le Matona Kana o tsere lebaka, ke tloga ke go emisa jaanong. a ministry re neng re di tshwere le badiragatsi kwa Francistown. Gore jaanong Mothusa Tautona a bo a re MR MMOLOTSI: Motlotlegi Tautona Rre Masisi, e go raya gore re debate Bill, go a gakgamatsa. Motlotlegi bile o le mogolole, koba motho yo mo maemong a. Ke Tautona Honourable Mokgweetsi Eric Masisi, your a leboga Mr Speaker. Vice President has dropped the bar. Tota re mo kopela HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… gore mo thuse o mo golole, o mo ntshe mo maemong a. He would destroy your party completely. MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Thank you Mr HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… Speaker. Ke akgela fela ka bokhutshwanyane on the issue ya urgency. Mr Speaker, fa go ka bo go na MR MMOLOTSI: Ka mafoko a a kalo... le mabaka a a supang urgency, re ne re tlaa bona mo MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi! jaanong o memorandum wa Bill e, a ka bo a itshupa gone fa, a a tswa mo tseleng. O nna irrelevant jaanong. supang urgency. Ga a yo. Ga go na gope fa go buiwang ka lešhekere mo memorandum wa Bill e. E bile ga go na MR MMOLOTSI: Ke ne ke feta fela ka yone ka gore gope fela memorandum wa Bill e o buang gore o ya to tota ke ka bo ke sa bolo go fetsa fa nne Mothusa Tautona address lešhekere la badiragatsi. Tse di buiwang tse, go a sa dira jaaka a dirile. ipuelwa fela Tautona.

MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, ga go a siama gore o tswe mo HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tseleng. Honourable Mmolotsi... MR KAPINGA: O ipuela fela. MR MMOLOTSI: Ke ne ke fetsa a bo a simolola go dira jaaka a dira, a batla go supegetsa Tautona gore fa a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… seyo, o kgona go diya nako fela mo Palamenteng, a diela MR KAPINGA: O ipuela fela Tautona, ga go na Palamente progress. Having said that Mr Speaker, fa e lešhekere lepe le le yang to be addressed ke molao o. le gore re tlile go patikiwa go tswelela ka to debate Bill Molao o o batla go baakanya seemo sa the arts going e, we will debate it and ga re ka ke ra e gana, but that into the future, not to address the current crisis that we is not the best thing se se tshwanelwang ke go diragala. are going through. So, a re batleng mabaka a a botoka Se se tswang kgakala se diragala, Batswana ba rerisiwa go na le a re a ntshang mo dipateng a. Ke a leboga Mr ka melao yotlhe e e dirwang mo Palamenteng e. If we Speaker. have decided go tlogela tsamaiso yone eo, go raya gore

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MR SPEAKER: Honourable Unity Dow, o wa bofelo.

DR DOW (SPECIALLY ELECTED): Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke ema go ema nokeng Tshutiso ya gore molao o re o reetse ka lepotlapotla. Mabaka a me a mararo fela. I know gore according to the rules, I have got two minutes. Lebaka la ntlha ke gore tota fela molao o, o mokhutshwane e bile gape fa e le gore o ntse o bala melao e e amanang le makgotla a mangwe, ga go tlhokafale gore o tseye le fa e le hour kana two hours gore o o bale, gotlhelele. Re ne re filwe three weeks. Mo mafatsheng a mangwe, selo se a diragala gompieno, kamoso go bo go le molao. Jaanong kwano re na le dingongorego tsa gore re mo sepitlaganyaneng.

Sa bobedi, tiro e tona ya Palamente ke go dira molao. Go tshwana le fa Mmakaseterata a ka nna le dingongorego tsa gore cases di a tsena gatwe ke tsene. Tiro ya rona ke go dira molao. Go na le ngongorego ya gore go na le selo se gotweng Government Business. Government Business, go tewa molao o tlisitswe ke Executive. Tiro ya Ntlo e ke go dira melao, a re direng melao betsho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

DR DOW: Ya boraro ke gore go tle go ngongoregiwe gotwe molao o a dirwa, kamoso o a fetolwa. Tiro ya Palamente ke go dira molao, go fetola o o sa o rateng, ga go na molato, le fa o ka boa ga 100… fa o ka wa dira research, o tlaa lemoga gore incidence ya amendment e ntse jang, gore mafatshe are ranked ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Tiro ya rona, ke go dira molao. Gompieno re na le malatsi fela a mararo a a setseng, re tlile go dira melao, e mengwe e tlaa tla ka lepotlapotla fa e se matswakabele. Fa e le molao o o matswakabele...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

DR DOW: Two minutes wa me o fetile fela. Ka bokhutshwane ka re, ke ema Tshutiso e nokeng, a re direng molao, tiro ya rona ke go dira melao. Thank you.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)…

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, I now want to put a question. Ke rile ka re ke wa bofelo, ga ke itse gore a o ne o seyo fa ke bua. Ke ile ka re that was the last speaker. I am now putting a question Honourable Members. Order! Order! Honourable Members, the question is that, the Bill be proceeded with as a Matter of Urgency.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Division Mr Speaker!

Question put and Division called for.

MR SPEAKER: Two minutes. Make sure that all the doors are closed. No one leaves this House, no one comes in.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: The voting will be done the same way we did the one earlier; the “ayes” and the “noes.”

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker! Mr Speaker, I have called for procedure and I pray for it.

CLERK:

No Name Aye No Abstain Absent His Excellency Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi √ Honourable Kgotla Kenneth Autlwetse √ Honourable Mpho Balopi √ Honourable Yandani Boko √ Honourable Sam Justice Brooks √

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Honourable Honest Buti Billy √ Honourable Dr Edwin Gorataone Dikoloti √ Honourable Dr Unity Dow √ Honourable Karabo Socraat Gare √ Honourable Dr Kesitegile Gobotswang √ Honourable Christian Greeff √ Honourable Kainangura Caterpillar Hikuama √ Honourable Liakat Kablay √ Honourable Kenny Kiniotiro Kapinga √ Honourable Goretetse Kekgonegile √ Honourable Dithapelo Lefoko Keorapetse √ Honourable Philda Kereng √ Honourable Mmusi Kgafela √ Honourable Tshekedi Stanford Khama √ Honourable Dr Lemogang Kwape √ Honourable Leepetswe Lesedi √ Honourable Sethomo Lelatisitswe √ Honourable Aubrey Lesaso √ Honourable Douglas Letsholathebe √ Honourable Thapelo Letsholo √ Honourable Friction Tshoganetso Leuwe √ Honourable Taolo Boipuso Lucas √ Honourable Polson Majaga √

Honourable Nnaniki Wilhemina Tebogo Makwinja √ Honourable Beauty Manake √ Honourable Tumisang Mangwegape-Healy √ Honourable Baratiwa Mathoothe √ Honourable Dr Thapelo Matsheka √ Honourable Wynter Boipuso Mmolotsi √ Honourable Kagiso Thomas Mmusi √ Honourable Simon Nkosana Moabi √ Honourable Lefoko Maxwell Moagi √ Honourable Pono Pearson Patson Moatlhodi √ Honourable Setlhabelo Naser Modukanele √

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Honourable Anna Maria Mokgethi √ Honourable Eric Mothibi Molale √ Honourable Fidelis Macdonald Molao √ Honourable Molebatsi Shimane Molebatsi √ Honourable Talita Monnakgotla √ Honourable Kabo Neale Sechele Morwaeng √ Honourable Mokwaledi Ignatius Moswaane √ Honourable Palelo Keitseope Motaosane √ Honourable Motsamai Gabantema Jelson Motsamai √ Honourable Dumezweni Meshack Mthimkhulu √ Honourable Kefentse Mzwinila √ Honourable Kgoberego Nkawana √ Honourable Tumiso Macdonald Rakgare √ Honourable Onneetse Ramogapi √ Honourable Mephato Reatile √ Honourable Oabile Regoeng √ Honourable Dumelang Saleshando √ Honourable Thulagano Merafe Segokgo √ Honourable Peggy Serame √ Honourable Machana Ronald Shamukuni √ Honourable Johane Luther-Tine. Thiite √ Honourable Dr Never Tshabang √ Honourable David Tshere √ Honourable Slumber Tsogwane √

…Silence… MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, here are your results, “aye” 42, “no” 1, abstain 4, absent 16. The ayes have it. Question put and agreed to.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... MR SPEAKER: When for Second Reading Honourable Minister? Second Reading- Forthwith. MR SPEAKER: We continue with our business. BILL NATIONAL ARTS COUNCIL OF BOTSWANA BILL, 2020 (NO. 19 OF 2020)

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Second Reading functions. It also provides for the establishment of an 11-member Board of the council. MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR . Part III of the Bill deals with meetings and RAKGARE): Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Mr proceedings of the Board. The Board has the power Speaker, I beg to present the National Arts Council to retain specialist advisors and form committees. of Botswana Bill, 2020 (No. 19 of 2020) for Second Any conflict of interest must be notified tothe Reading. I also beg my Honourable Colleagues to adopt Board in order to enhance the transparency of the this Bill and pass it into a law, to facilitate the growth Board. of the creative industry in Botswana. It is an important . Part IV of the Bill deals with the appointment tool for regulating and optimising the potential of the and duties of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO), creative sector for economic benefit. as well as the senior officers and other staff. The The arts sector in Botswana has grown tremendously CEO shall be appointed by the Minister on the with an increase in the number of practicing artists and recommendation of the Board. their active participation in different programmes. Mr . Part V of the Bill deals with financial provisions Speaker, this is demonstrated by participation of about relating to the funds, accounts, audit and the annual 14,000 artists in Presidents Day Competitions and about reports of the council. The Board shall provide the 6,000 in Constituency Arts Competitions annually. Minister with an annual plan and accounts of the Furthermore, there is significant increase in the council. production, recording and exhibition of local artworks. . Matters relating to registration with the council, as Mr Speaker, the establishment of an Arts Council is in well as renewal and revocation of registration are at line with the National Policy on Culture. This policy Part VI of the Bill. recognises that the arts need to be given the necessary support if they are to grow and create job opportunities . Part VII provides for regulations to be made by the for the artists and other cultural practitioners. It further Minister. recommends the creation of appropriate institutions such as the National Arts Council to enhance development of Mr Speaker, the ministry is ready to implement the the arts and culture in Botswana. Bill as soon as it has passed. I would therefore be pleased if Honourable Members recognise the need Mr Speaker, the local creative industry has lacked a to move with speed to unlock job opportunities coordination structure which has resulted in the ministry presented by the creative industry, by passing being overwhelmed by programme implementation and this Bill. This is part of the Government’s requests for both financial and technical assistance. The transformation agenda. sector has many associations, trusts, companies and individuals and it is not well coordinated. The current Mr Speaker, I therefore move that the National Arts lack of coordination and self-regulation stifles growth Council of Botswana Bill, 2020 (No. 19 of 2020) be and development of the sector and needs to be addressed read a second time. I thank you. through the establishment of a National Arts Council. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… If properly coordinated and harnessed, the creative MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! The floor is open for industry has the potential to create job opportunities you. Honourable Moatlhodi. and contribute to the economy. A National Arts Council will be instrumental in driving the cultural and creative MR MOATLHODI (TONOTA): Motlotlegi industries to realise their full potential. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, bagaetsho, To this end Mr Speaker, I hereby table the National lefatshe le ke la morero. Re fitlhile fa re emeng teng ka Arts Council of Botswana Bill No. 19 of 2020, with the lebaka la mmualebe o a bo a bua la gagwe, monalentle following key provisions: a tle a tswe la gagwe. Morero o re neela sebaka sa go tlhabolola lefatshe le, le go agisana, ka jaana re a bo re . Part II of the Bill provides for the establishment itsane, re utlwane, re tlhotlhile mafoko a rona. of the council as a corporate body and sets out its

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MR BILLY: On a point of procedure. Honourable PPP kamoso, ba se ke ba kgwele diphuphu tsa rona mathe. o ntse a re ga go a dirwa morero mme kana morero o O utlwa mafoko a a botlhokwa a Motlotlegi Rraetsho dirilwe. Bill e fa ke gakologelwa sentle, e sale e simolola Tona a a buang Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, consultation ya yone ka 2012 mme se se diragetseng a re go ya go nna le board ya batho ba le 11. Ke ne ke gape mo go yone ke gore le badiragatsi kwa bo Gantsi, mo reeditse ka natla gore board e e ya go tlhophiwa ke Maun, Francistown, Gaborone were consulted ka Bill… mang.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Billy, o kgaupetsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Minister. mokaulengwe. Ga re ise re mo utlwe gore a reng tota. MR MOATLHODI: Utlwa e bile o wela teng kwa ke Ke ne ke santse ke re ke reeditse go utlwa ka morero, yang teng. O bua ka ikgantsho, a re Minister. Motlotlegi jaanong o setse o araba. Tota it is not a point of Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ka namana ga procedure. Honourable Moatlhodi. ke rate board e e tlhophiwang ke Minister. Ga ke rate MR MOATLHODI: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa board e e tlhophiwang ke motho a le mongwe fela. Palamente, o tlaa nna le sebaka sa go tla go nkganetsa Board e tshwanetse ya nna selo se se tlhophiwang ke ka nna le ene ga gona fa re dumalanang teng. setšhaba. Fa o utlwa gotwe Minister, ke motho wa nama le lefatshe le, o tsoga a tlhophile ditsala tsa gagwe, Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, go na le buka e bagwagadi ba gagwe, ba a itseng gore o amana nabo bidiwa gotwe Government Gazette, mme kwa morago ka nngwe tsela. That is not the basis that formed this ka fa e na le yellow pages. Fa ke simolola ke tsena country. Lefatshe le ke la rona rotlhe bagaetsho. Rotlhe mo Palamenteng e, Melao-kakanyetso e ne e kwalwa re a tsamaya gone fa, mme fa re bopa lefatshe le, re moo, e bo e neelwa Mapalamente. Mopalamente a bo tshwanetse re itse gore kwa morago ga rona go tla bo a tlhotlhoma le kgaolo ya gagwe, a bolelela setšhaba Prince Moatlhodi, Dr Mohapi, Nthatisi, Mmemme, gore bagaetsho, solofelang gore Molao-kakanyetso Mosipuri, Obakeng le ba bangwe ba bantsi. wa gore o ya go buiwa kwa Palamenteng. Lona le le batho ba Mandunyane, Shashe-Mooke, Loomboko, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go tla bo Tsogo. Semotswane, jalojalo, re batla motswaganong wa lona MR MOATLHODI: Go tla bo Tsogo, Queen le ka jaana re a go dira matshelo a a tlamang bana ba lona. Kingsley. Se ke se buang Motlotlegi Motsamaisa This is the consultation that have made this country up Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, fa re bopa bokamoso jwa to where it is. This is the consultation that I am talking lefatshe le ga re a tshwanela go dirisa maikutlo a rona, about. Ke yone therisanyo e e agileng lefatshe le. Batho jaaka ke bona go dirwa. We need to consult the people. ba ba godileng, ba itse lefatshe le kwa le tswang teng, Melao e e dirwang ka lepotlapotla; ke na le sekai. ba tlaa dumalana le nna, e seng ba ba sa itseng sepe ka Letsatsi leno lefatshe le le ratile go ya tlhakatlhakanong lefatshe le. ka melao e e lalang e dirwa masigo. Ke santse ke gopola Ke kile ka bua Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa nngwe ya melao e e dirwang masigo ka lepotlapotla, Palamente, about four weeks ago, ka re melao e e dirwang jaaka nngwe tsala ya me ka fale a re melao e tshwanetse go shakgetswe e tlaa tlisa tšhakgalo mo lefatsheng le. ya dirwa ka lepotlapotla. Bagaetsho, le ke lefatshe la Melao e e dirwang go tlhamilwe go fetelela, e tlaa tlisa morero. Mafatshe otlhe a a dirang dilo ka lepotlapotla letlhamo le e seng lone mo lefatsheng le, dilo di tlaa a tšhwetlhekane, but we are still here because of our tšhwetlhekana. democracy and consultation. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… This consultation e tshwanetse go tswelela. Fa Palamente e e leng yone e e yang go nyeletsa puso ya batho ka MR MOATLHODI: Re tshwanetse ra itse, ra ba ra batho, foo ga re itse se re se dirang and ke tsena mo tlhaloganya bagaetsho; fa o ka ralala lefatshe le, dilelo pitlaganong fa gare ga dilo tse. Ke a kopa, ke a rapela ga di kana ka sepe tsa batho ba basha. Makgoa ba re, the Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, youth is the window through which the future of a nation ga gona ope yo o sa itseng botlhokwa, lešhekere le can be read or seen. “Dikgomo di senang morole ga di badiragatsi ba leng mo go lone, mme re bua gore a re ate,” “maoto a nong ke phofa,” “e a re go gola, e anywe direng re ntshitse matlho mo dikgapheng. Mr Speaker, namane.” Bana ba lefatshe le ba solofetse gore re ba maabane when I was driving to Tonota, ke leleditswe bopele bokamoso, mme re bo bopa ka tsela e e tlaa reng ke bana ba le three; yo mongwe a re e ne e le lesole,

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a tshameka bolo; o robegile serope gabedi, mme ga ba ba tshwanang le Rre Majaga le Rre Reatile, ya bo e gona ope yo o mo reetsang, yo mongwe a re o robegile le gore ka dinako tsotlhe go dirwa list gotwe ba ke bone mokwatla a le kwa bolong, le ene ga gona ope yo o mo ba ba akgelang… reetsang. Ke na le dilelo di se kana ka sepe, mme dilo tse di ama batho ba go buiwang ka bone fa gotwe ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. ya go agelwa board ke Minister. This is very wrong, we MR MOTSAMAI: …bone e tlaa nna ba ga mang mo are now an autocratic Government, we are now part Palamenteng e? Ba tlaa buelelwa ke mang? O se ka wa of Africa e re ntseng re farologane le yone throughout ntsena ganong ka procedure ntswa ke eme ka yone. these years, jaanong re a boa, re tshwana le mafatshe a Batho ba batla go buelela dikgaolo tsa bone, ga ba a tla re se ka keng ra a tshega ka gope. fa e le diolo, ba tlile fa go buelela dikgaolo tsa bone Mr Ke a kopa, ke a rapela bagaetsho, we are not going to be Speaker. Ke bona gore this tendency e tshwanetse go ema Parliamentarians forever and we need to set a legacy. ka gore go na le tlhaolele ya go supa ka ntata ya gore go Re ka aga legacy e fa re tsamaya mo dikgatong, gatwe kwadilwe list. Fa ke wela, Mr Speaker, a ko o nne o re tlhako ya morago e gata fa ya pele e gatileng teng. Ke thusa Mothusa Tautona, re tsaya gore ke moeteledipele, ne ke le teng Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa ke mogolo wa lefatshe le, dinako tsotlhe fa re akgela re Palamente, motho a bua gore re tshwanetse go fetola supa dingongorego, he mocks us, a re kgaruepetsa, a re the body, soul and mind ya this Botswana Democratic tsena ganong. Rona kwa re tswang teng ga re a tlwaela Party (BDP) re e ntsha mo go ya bo Rre Masire, ke gore mogolo fa a bua kana fa o bua o le ngwana, mogolo ne ke le teng, go diragetse eng letsatsi leno, o a itse. a ba a go kgaruepetsa o bo o mo araba. Ga ke itse le gore We certainly cannot change the image of this country ke mo arabe ke reng ka gore fa e ne e le Buti Billy jaaka overnight. Lefatshe le ke la batho, a re boeleng kwa a ntse a leka go thetheekela a dira… baneng re ba botse gore ba batla eng, ka gore ga se HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… bana; ke batho ba batona ba ba tshwanetseng go bo ba tsamaisa lefatshe la rona. We have been here for plus MR MOTSAMAI: …ke ne ke tlaa mo raya ke re sit or minus 12 weeks, mme o ka ipotsa gore ka gore go down! ne go ntse go itsiwe gore Bill e e tlaa tla, go padile eng fela gore e beelwe nako sentle, e rulaganngwe sentle e HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… tle e buiwe sentle? Do you know what it means? The HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… people holding these responsibilities are failing, dismal failure. Bill e e tlisiwang ka certificate of urgency says a MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a kopa Mr Speaker, a Rre Reatile lot about you as a Minister and those surrounding you. le Rre Majaga ba tshele. We had enough time for this Bill to be cogitated upon and looked into at different forums, letsatsi leno go tla HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure Mr go sianwa ka certificate of urgency; tsoga phaaphaa ke Speaker. ya maeba, ya motho o a bo a bonye. I thank you Mr MR SPEAKER: Ke go kgalemeletse eng kgantele? Ke Speaker. go kgalemetse. MR SPEAKER: Ke na le mathata. Ke na le list this HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ao! Mr Speaker, o side, the next person on the line le fa a sa ema, ke nkgalemelela eng ke kopa procedure? Honourable Molao. Honourable Molao! HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, wena ke bona fela gore o… MR SPEAKER: I have a list here from the Whips. HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ise o emelele. MR MOTSAMAI: Procedure. MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, ke bone gore o batla ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… gosomanela mo go wena, you are driving me kwa megosomanong. Honourable Member o eme ka a point MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Speaker, ke batla gore ba BDP of procedure a bua kgang e tota ke neng ke sa batle go ba nne clear, ba se ka ba tlhakatlhakanya lenaneo. Ga tsena mo go yone. Me sitting here as a Speaker ga ke gona jaaka o ka reng ba seegetse maloko a bone thoko,

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tsene mo go yone because I am actually working within rometse batho ba ba ntseng jang. the confines of the Standing Order 10.3 e e reng, “the Whips can organise themselves and submit the list for HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr the debate ba lebeletse whatever strength their Members Speaker. have.” I have a list of 10 people here and fortunately MR TSOGWANE: Procedure e ke batlang go ema Rre Majaga o mo teng, I am not sure why Rre Reatile ka yone ke ya gore, borre botlhe ba Domkrag jaaka ba is not there because he has been standing. I think they santse ba le maDomkrag e bile ba nna mo letlhakoreng probably have to organise themselves, ba bone gore ba la Domkrag, ba na le tshwanelo ya go bua. Ba ntse ba dira jang gore ba tsenye some…because ke ntse ke bona bua mo sectors tsotlhe, ga se mongwe le mongwe yo Honourable Reatile a ntse a ema, a bo a ema, mme ga o ntseng a bua, batho ba ba sa buang ba bantsi; Rre a yo in the list… Mzwinila, Rre Morwaeng, Rre Dikoloti, Mma Mokgethi HONOURABLE MEMBER: Aoo! ba na le lebaka ba sa bue, batho ba bantsi! bo Rre Billy Buti ke gone ba ntseng ba ikutlwisa go bua. Re bantsi go MR SPEAKER: That is why ke re… feta batho ba ba ka fa, so go bua ga rona ga go ka ke ga lekana le ga bone. Motho a tshwana le Wynter Mmolotsi HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… yo mongwefela, o mongwe fela, kana o ka bua letsatsi MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, the list is not exhaustive as far lotlhe, ngwaga wa fela ka gore fa gotwe one, gotwe go as I am concerned. They have organised this group and batliwa party, ke ene. I know they will be organising another group because HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... the debate is still going to go on. Honourable Member, ga ke itse gore fa o ba buelela, tota o belaela eng ka gore MR TSOGWANE: Janaong dilo tse di ntseng jaana there is no one yo o rileng ga ba na go bua, maybe they batho betso, re di lemoge. Batho ba ba tlaa bua, this are not in this list, but definitely there will be another list sector ga e a fela jaaka o bua. Ke list ya letsatsi leno, ga e ke tsayang gore ba tla ba tsenya. re ka ke ra dira jaaka o kare batho ba sena tlhaloganyo. Go setse 30 minutes, re bo re kwala batho botlhe fela, E ya bofelo e o buang ka the Leader of the House, ga ke how can we do that? a mo utlwa, gakere o ne a sa tobetsa speaker. Fa e le gore golo gongwe o kile a bua dikgang…nna ke a tle ke utlwe MR RAMOGAPI: Point of procedure. Mr Speaker, le ntse le buelelana le dira metlae, so ke ne ke tsaya gore ke kopa gore re tsenye Ntlo e mo tseleng, selo sa ntlha le ntse le mo metlaeng ya lona jaaka le wena o feditse ka Standing Order se se buang gore nnyaa the Chief Whips metlae. Le bereka fela jalo, go tsweng foo le bo le re nna di ka kwala batho, o tshwanetse o tlhaloganye, o bo o ke tsene, ga ke itse gore le raya gore ke reng. Ke tshotse itse Mr Speaker gore, ga se reye gore fa motho a ntse list and I do not want to go outside it because ke tlaabo fa fatshe a sa batle go bua, o bo o mmitsa fela. Fa batho ke tlogetse order e e leng teng. So, the first person in the ba eme ka dinao, o lebelela mo go bone, e seng gore list is Honourable Molao. Honourable Molao a ntse fa fatshe o bo o re jaanong ke na le mathata o ntse fa fatshe, mme kana o kwadilwe, ga HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker! se tsamaiso gotlhelele, Mr Speaker! HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure! HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure! MR RAMOGAPI: A a nne fela, o fa fatshe, bitsa ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure! ba emeletseng. Go tewa priority mo go ba ba setseng ba emeletse. MR TSOGWANE: Procedure. Nnyaa, mme ga ke tshwae phoso ba ba ntseng ba bua ba batla go šhaba Gape Mr Speaker, make a ruling on our procedures. Fa ka leina la me. Tota kana batho kwa dikgaolong ba gongwe re ema fela re a tlotla, re ja nako; nako e ntsi e a tshwanetse go sekaseka, ba bone gore ba romile batho tsamaya, rona re batla to debate. ba ba ntseng jang ka gore se ba se tletseng kwano, ke go MR SPEAKER: Nako e ile, ga e yo, e jewa ke lona buelela batho e seng go ikgatlha ka mongwe. Borre ba kana. Ga ke itse gore gatwe ke phoso fa kae. If my ba tshwanang le bo Motsamai jaana, ba tlogeleng fela, rulings are wrong, I have always told you ka re your five years o a wela mme batho ba tlaa lemoga gore ba Whips ba tshwanetse ba bolelelwe if you are not happy.

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Re na le Business Advisory Committee where issues of the top of that list is Honourable Molao, then I have to that concern are raised gore re bone gore re ka tsaya call him, if he does not stand up, I call the next person dikgato tse di ntseng jang. So, what I said is, I am who is Honourable Lelatisitswe; just like that, because working on this list, and Standing Order se se bua gore they complied with the Standing Orders. So tse dingwe the Whips can organise the list. So I have a list here, I tse tota ga ke itse gore le ntsenya mo go tsone jang. cannot ignore it because the Member is sitting down. Fa a sa batle go bua, o tlaare ga ke batle go bua, but I have MR BOKO: Point of order. Thank you Mr Speaker. to call his name because I have been given the name. Mr Speaker, ke lemoga gore re tlaa felela re dule mo In terms of my consideration, these are people who are tseleng, kana fa re ka tlhola Hansard, e tlaa supa gore standing up, ba eme ka dinao le fa ba ntse fa fatshe, so Honourable Kablay o itatotse, a bo a nna mosetlha mo I need to call them. kgannyeng ya list, a re ga a e itse. O ne a ngongorega a bo a supula fa fatshe ka kgang ya teng. Jaanong lona MR TSOGWANE: Point of procedure. Nnyaa mme gompieno la re go na le list e e tswang kwa go ene. I Mr Speaker, tota le fa gongwe re ka farologana ka think we need to deal le kgang e re bone gore a mme go megopolo, Motlotlegi Ramogapi o bua boammaaruri, boammaaruri e tswa kwa go ene. ka gore fa o kwadilwe o itse gore o kwadilwe… kana go tshwana fela le fa o ka kwalwa, gongwe o bo o seyo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Is he even here? mo Ntlong, ga o ka ke wa bidiwa o seyo mo Ntlong. MR BOKO: Ga ke itse le gore a o teng, ka gore So fa motho a nna fela mme a bona gore o mo list, go complaint e... raya gore ga a batle go bua. Ke raya gore foo o se ka wa itsenya dingalo. Honourable Ramogapi o bua nnete. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, what is out of order? MR SPEAKER: Ke utlwile, but I have said this before, and we have said this before, gongwe Honourable Molao MR BOKO: What is out of order ke yone kgang ya ga a itse gore he is on list, I do not even know, but I have gore gatwe go na le list e e nang le letsogo la ga Kablay, the list here. These people are queuing to debate as far a re ga a mo teng, go raya gore ga go na list e e tswang as I am concerned. So, I will call his name, if he does not kwa go Chief Whip... stand up, then I will call the second one. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, nte ke go balele MR REATILE: Point of procedure. Tlaa ke go leboge Standing Order 10.3 (b) ya re, “the Whip can submit to Mr Speaker. Ke ema jaana ke supa fela gore kana go the Speaker, names of Members to speak on a designated boammaaruri mo Ntlong e re na le Whips, mme fa Whip subject in the interests of quality and/or specialised e ke ikwalang ka fa tlase ga gagwe e le Honourable debate.” So, there is nothing out of order... Kablay, a bo a re ga a itse sepe ka lists Mr Speaker, a bo MR BOKO: List e ga re na yone e, Whip a re ga a itse jaanong wena o ya go tumisa kgang ya lists kwa setilong sepe ka yone. sa gago, ke dumela gore jaanong you are going to end up inviting shame mo setilong sa gago. Shame ya teng MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, list e e tswa ka e ya go felela e betsa gone mo Ntlong e. Mr Speaker, I fa... beg you to assume your role ya bo Speakership jwa Ntlo MR BOKO: Nnyaa, ga e tswe kwa go ene, gongwe e e. Fa re na le dikgang kwa Botswana Democratic Party tswa go Honourable Tsogwane, kana ga ke itse e tswa (BDP), di tlogelele rona kwa BDP, wena o tsweledise kwa mongweng, mme ga e tswe kwa go ene. tiro ya gago ya bo Speaker. Ke se ke ka se kopang. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Interruptions!)... MR SPEAKER: Ke lebogile, ga ke itse gore gatwe ke wrong fa kae, because fa a itatola, go a tweng? Ke filwe MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, list... my assumption is, the Whip knows about this list. It is not for you Honourable Boko because the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Inaudible)...... (Interruptions!)... for you. As far as I am concerned, he is aware of this list. MR SPEAKER: I made it very clear, I have a list here from the Whip ya side e e ka fa, and then the person at HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Interruptions!)...

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HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Procedure. HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)...

MR LELATISITSWE: Point of procedure. Thank you MR KEORAPETSE: O se ka wa ntshupa ka monwana Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, regardless of that list, even rraetsho, ke Mongwato. if the list has been provided, jaaka fela Vice President (VP) a buile, if the Member is not standing up, go tsena HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... yo mongwe. Ke raya gore it is like that, mme legale HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... gompieno ka gore Rre Molao o amogetse gore o a tsena, he should continue. Even if you are provided with the MR KEORAPETSE: Ke ne ke re fa Standing Orders list, the Standing Order still stands gore you catch the di le clear gore Chief Whips, e bo Whip a emelela, a Speaker’s eye, mme according to that list, it can direct ngongorega gore rona lists tse di re tsenya mo mathateng, you there. Fa re sa eme mme re le on the list, you have e bile ga re itse gore gatwe di tsamaisiwa jang, then to pick another one. there is a problem ya gore go raya gore possibly even the Whips are not consulted. So I think e ise kwa... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker, e bile ga ke bolo go tsholetsa. MOTION

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Procedure. ADJOURNMENT

MR SPEAKER: Iketleng. Honourable Members, you LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr are just repeating what we have always said sitting here, Speaker, ke kopa gore Ntlo e jaanong batlotlegi ba ye go re re, le fa le tsisitse list because list e ke e tshotseng, ga itheetsa, nako e ba tšhaetse. Ke a leboga. se gore e tswa fela ka fa, le ka fa, e etle e tswe. Question put and agreed to. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:30 p.m. until MR SPEAKER: Yes, this time around you have not Wednesday 16th September, 2020 at 2:00 p.m. submitted, but you sometimes submit. Now, we have always said even when you are on the list, please catch the Speaker’s eye.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: That is what should happen.

MR SPEAKER: Yes, but now Honourable Members, you do not do that, it worries me as well. Why do you not do that? Ke etle ke ipotse gore a le a itse gore you are on the list, kana ga le itse, mo go rayang gore lona ka bo lona, le na le mathata a go buisanya. So, if you know gore you are on the list, you must stand up, because when you do not stand up, you also leave the Speaker very much confused gore should I call upon this person or not, because he is here on the list but he is not standing up. A o santse a batla go bua kana jaanong o ngadile, you never know. So, ke na le mathata, jaanong you are exactly repeating what I have always said.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Procedure.

MR KEORAPETSE: Point of procedure. Mr Speaker, I think gongwe o bue bogolo jang le Whips. I think gongwe kgang e o e ise kwa Business Advisory Committee because e tlaa go tsenya tsebetsebe. Fa e le gore the Standing Orders...

60 Hansard No 198 HANSARD RECORDERS Mr. T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. D. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi, Ms N. Mokoka

HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa, Ms M. Madubeko

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi, Mr K. Rebaisakae

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