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Ggácmnmucrmhvisambaøkñú 01499731 E1/367.1 ŪĮйŬď₧şŪ˝˝ņįО ď ďij Њ ⅜₤Ĝ ŪĮйņΉ˝℮Ūij GgÁCMnMuCRmHvisamBaØkñúgtulakarkm<úCa Kingdom of Cambodia Nation Religion King Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia Royaume du Cambodge Chambres Extraordinaires au sein des Tribunaux Cambodgiens Nation Religion Roi Β₣ĄеĕНеð ĄŪņй⅜ŵřеĠР₣ Trial Chamber Chambre de première instance TRANSCRIPT OF TRIAL PROCEEDINGS PUBLIC Case File Nº 002/19-09-2007-ECCC/TC 14 December 2015 Trial Day 348 Before the Judges: NIL Nonn, Presiding The Accused: NUON Chea Martin KAROPKIN KHIEU Samphan Jean-Marc LAVERGNE YA Sokhan YOU Ottara Lawyers for the Accused: THOU Mony (Reserve) Victor KOPPE Claudia FENZ (Absent) SON Arun LIV Sovanna Anta GUISSE Trial Chamber Greffiers/Legal Officers: KONG Sam Onn EM Hoy Roger PHILLIPS Lawyers for the Civil Parties: Marie GUIRAUD For the Office of the Co-Prosecutors: TY Srinna Vincent DE WILDE D’ESTMAEL VEN Pov Dale LYSAK SREA Rattanak For Court Management Section: UCH Arun 01499732 E1/367.1 Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia Trial Chamber – Trial Day 348 Case No. 002/19-09-2007-ECCC/TC 14 December 2015 I N D E X Ms. SIN Chhem (2-TCW-820) Questioning by The President (NIL Nonn) ....................................................................................... page 3 Questioning by Mr. LYSAK .............................................................................................................. page 7 Questioning by Mr. SREA Rattanak ............................................................................................... page 39 Questioning by Mr. KOPPE ........................................................................................................... page 41 Questioning by Ms. GUISSE .......................................................................................................... page 85 Page i 01499733 E1/367.1 Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia Trial Chamber – Trial Day 348 Case No. 002/19-09-2007-ECCC/TC 14 December 2015 List of Speakers: Language used unless specified otherwise in the transcript Speaker Language The GREFFIER Khmer Ms. GUIRAUD French Ms. GUISSE French Mr. KOPPE English Judge LAVERGNE French Mr. LYSAK English The President (NIL Nonn) Khmer Ms. SIN Chhem (2-TCW-820) Khmer Mr. SREA Rattanak Khmer Page ii 01499734 E1/367.1 Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia Trial Chamber – Trial Day 348 Case No. 002/19-09-2007-ECCC/TC 14 December 2015 1 1 PROCEEDINGS 2 (Court opens at 0910H) 3 MR. PRESIDENT: 4 Please be seated. The Court is now in session. 5 Today the Chamber hears the testimony of a witness -- that is, 6 2-TCW-820. 7 And before we proceed, the Chamber wishes to inform the Parties 8 in this Case that for the proceedings today and the subsequent 9 days, Judge Fenz has some urgent matters so she cannot 10 participate in the Bench, and after the deliberation with the 11 Judges of the Bench, we decided to replace Judge Fenz by Judge 12 Karopkin<, a reserve International Judge,> until such time she is 13 capable of returning to the Bench. And this is in pursuant to 14 Rule 79.4 of ECCC Internal Rules. 15 <The Greffier,> Mr. Em Hoy, please report the attendance <of> the 16 Parties and other individuals at today's proceedings. 17 [09.12.48] 18 THE GREFFIER: 19 Mr. President, for today proceedings, all Parties to this Case 20 are present. However, Counsel Calvin Saunders will be a bit late 21 due to traffic congestion and the National Lead Co-Lawyer for 22 civil parties, Pich Ang, will be absent for the full week due to 23 health reasons. 24 Mr. Nuon Chea is present in the holding cell downstairs; he has 25 waived his right to be present in the courtroom. The waiver has Corrected transcript: Text occurring between less than (<) and greater than (>) signs has been corrected to ensure consistency among the three language versions of the transcript. The corrections are based on the audio recordings in the source language and may differ from verbatim interpretation in the relay and target languages. Page 1 01499735 E1/367.1 Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia Trial Chamber – Trial Day 348 Case No. 002/19-09-2007-ECCC/TC 14 December 2015 2 1 been delivered to the greffier. 2 The witness who is to testify today -- that is, 2-TCW 820, 3 confirms that to the best of her knowledge she has no 4 relationship by blood or by law to any of the two Accused -- that 5 is, Nuon Chea and Khieu Samphan or to any of the civil parties 6 admitted in this Case. The witness took an oath before the Iron 7 Club Statue this morning and she is <in the waiting room> ready 8 to be called by the Chamber. 9 Thank you. 10 [09.14.07] 11 MR. PRESIDENT: 12 Thank you. The Chamber now decides on the request by Nuon Chea. 13 The Chamber has received a waiver from Nuon Chea dated 14 14 December 2015, which states that due to his health: headache, 15 back pain, he cannot sit or concentrate for long, and in order to 16 effectively participate in future hearings, he requests to waive 17 his right to participate in and be present at the 14 December 18 2015 hearing. He affirms that his counsel has advised him about 19 the consequences of this waiver that it cannot in any account be 20 construed as a waiver of his rights to be tried fairly or to 21 challenge evidence presented to or admitted by this Court at any 22 time during this Trial. 23 [09.14.59] 24 <The Chamber has> seen the medical report of Nuon Chea by the 25 duty doctor for the Accused at the ECCC dated 14 December 2015, Corrected transcript: Text occurring between less than (<) and greater than (>) signs has been corrected to ensure consistency among the three language versions of the transcript. The corrections are based on the audio recordings in the source language and may differ from verbatim interpretation in the relay and target languages. Page 2 01499736 E1/367.1 Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia Trial Chamber – Trial Day 348 Case No. 002/19-09-2007-ECCC/TC 14 December 2015 3 1 which notes that Nuon Chea today has severe back pain when he 2 sits for long and recommends that the Chamber <shall> grant him 3 his request so that Nuon Chea can follow the proceedings remotely 4 from the holding cell downstairs. 5 Based on the above information and pursuant to Rule 81.5 of the 6 ECCC Internal Rules, the Chamber grants Nuon Chea his request to 7 follow today's proceedings remotely from the holding cell 8 downstairs via audio-visual means. The Chamber instructs the AV 9 Unit personnel to link the proceedings to the room downstairs so 10 that Nuon Chea can follow the proceedings. This applies to the 11 whole day. 12 Court officer, please usher witness 2-TCW-820 into the 13 courtroom. Thank you. 14 (Witness 2-TCW-820 enters courtroom) 15 [09.17.27] 16 QUESTIONING BY THE PRESIDENT: 17 Q. Good morning, Madam Witness. What is your name? And please 18 observe the microphone, Madam Witness; you should speak after you 19 see the red light on the tip of the microphone. Again, what is 20 your name? 21 MS. SIN CHHEM: 22 A. My name is Sin Chhem. 23 Q. Thank you. And do you recall when you were born? Again, please 24 observe the microphone. Madam Witness, do you recall when you 25 were born? Corrected transcript: Text occurring between less than (<) and greater than (>) signs has been corrected to ensure consistency among the three language versions of the transcript. The corrections are based on the audio recordings in the source language and may differ from verbatim interpretation in the relay and target languages. Page 3 01499737 E1/367.1 Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia Trial Chamber – Trial Day 348 Case No. 002/19-09-2007-ECCC/TC 14 December 2015 4 1 A. I was born in the Khmer Year of "Momi" <or the Year of the 2 Horse.> (phonetic) 3 Q. How old are you this year? 4 A. I am <74 years old>. 5 [09.18.57] 6 Q. And where were you born? 7 A. I was born in Svay Yea. 8 Q. Is Svay Yea a village or a commune and which <district or> 9 province is it located in? 10 A. It was part of Svay Chrum district, Svay Rieng province. 11 Q. And where is your current address, I refer to the house where 12 you are living in now? 13 A. I am still living right in Svay Yea <village>. 14 Q. And what is your current occupation? 15 A. I am a rice farmer; however, at present, I am unwell so I 16 don't work in the farm. 17 Q. What are the names of your parents? 18 A. <Keo> is my father's name and Chhe is my mother's name. 19 However both of them passed away. 20 [09.20.25] 21 Q. What is your husband's name and how many children do you have? 22 And again, Madam Witness, please observe the microphone, you 23 should only speak when you see the red light on the microphone. 24 Again what is your husband's name and how many children do you 25 have? Corrected transcript: Text occurring between less than (<) and greater than (>) signs has been corrected to ensure consistency among the three language versions of the transcript. The corrections are based on the audio recordings in the source language and may differ from verbatim interpretation in the relay and target languages. Page 4 01499738 E1/367.1 Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia Trial Chamber – Trial Day 348 Case No. 002/19-09-2007-ECCC/TC 14 December 2015 5 1 A.
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