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Swyddfa’r Prif Weinidog a Swyddfa’r Cabinet Office of the First Minister and Cabinet Office Our ref: ATISN 11826 Date: 25 January 2018 Dear Mr Andrews Request for Information – ATISN reference 11826 Thank you for your request which was received by the Welsh Government on 6 December 2017. You asked for the following information: copies of emails sent from the First Minister's Senior Private Secretary to the Private Office of the Minister for Public Services on 4 December 2014 and the reply from that office on 8 December 2014, and the email from Sarah Rhodes to the offices of the FM, Minister for Public Service and Counsel-General on 2 December 2014, together with any submission contained therein. emails exchanged between the Minister for Public Services SPS and the FM's SPS on 15 December 2014 relating to London meetings, and the email from the Minister for Public Services to Des Clifford dated 17 December 2014 on the same issues. copies of any meeting notes and emails taken and or circulated, in whatever format, of meetings that the Minister for Public Services had with the First Minister on 25 September, 6 November, and 19 November. The information held in relation to this request is attached at Annex 1. In addition, I have concluded that, in this instance, certain personal data should be withheld under Section 40 of the FoI Act, such as names and contact details of civil servants who would not expect these details to be released during the normal course of business. Details about the Section 40 exemption are at Annex 2. Some of the information requested is exempt under Section 35(1)(c) as it relates to advice provided by the Law Officer and Section 42 as it is subject to legal professional privilege. Details about the Section 35(1)(c) and Section 42 exemption are at Annex 3. If you are dissatisfied with the Welsh Government’s handling of your request, you can ask for an internal review within 40 working days of the date of this response. Requests for an internal review should be addressed to the Welsh Government’s Freedom of Information Officer at: Information Rights Unit, Welsh Government, Cathays Park, Cardiff, CF10 3NQ or Email: [email protected] Please remember to quote the ATISN reference number above. You also have the right to complain to the Information Commissioner. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9 5AF. However, please note that the Commissioner will not normally investigate a complaint until it has been through our own internal review process. Yours sincerely Annex 1 From: Andrews, Leighton (Ministerial) <[email protected]> To: (OFMCO - Office of the First Minister) <@gov.wales> Cc: Sent: Wed 17/12/2014 15:47 Subject: RE: Minister for PS - London meetings I am slightly surprised at this email. I don’t recall any questions being raised when or accompanied me to meetings in London when I was previously in the Cabinet. Has there been a change of policy? I would be very concerned if I thought that was being treated differently from other special advisers. For the record, I think that the presence of a special adviser at such meetings is different from the role of a PS in these meetings. We are holding a number of high-level discussions on the subject of public service reform and you will see from the calibre of the people that we are meeting, both in January and this week, that we have scheduled discussions with people from whom we can learn about the process of public service reform in other places. needs to be in these meetings so that she can share in that learning and ensure that it is shared with officials when I am not available to discuss these issues with them and to inform her own contributions to future internal discussions on public service reform. You will appreciate that I have deliberately scheduled these visits in recess to avoid any disruption to normal business. Best wishes, Leighton Leighton Andrews AM/AC Minister for Public Services Gweinidog dros Wasanaethau Cyhoeddus From: @gov.wales To: @Wales.GSI.Gov.UK Cc: @gov.wales; @wales.gsi.gov.uk; @Wales.GSI.Gov.UK; (Special Adviser) @wales.gsi.gov.uk> Sent: Mon 15/12/2014 12:52 Subject: RE: Minister for PS - London meetings Thanks but that’s not my understanding. Any future visits like this need to be cleared with the FM, as he’s keen that SPADs are in the office as much as possible. I also understand that mentioned to that there is likely to be a SPAD meeting on 6 January which would need to attend. or I will let you know as soon as that is finalised. Grateful if you could let me know on what basis needs to accompany the Minister to these meetings rather than a Private Secretary so I can let the FM know please. Prif Ysgrifennydd Preifat i Prif Weinidog Cymru Senior Private Secretary to the First Minister of Wales Tel/Ffon: Fax/Ffacs: E-mail/E-bost: @wales.gsi.gov.uk _____________________________________________ From: @wales.gsi.gov.uk On Behalf Of PS Minister for Public Services Sent: 15 December 2014 12:39 To: PS First Minister; PS Minister for Public Services Cc: (Special Adviser); DS Minister for Public Services; (Special Adviser) Subject: RE: Minister for PS - London meetings , Further to the below, the Minister is also planning to visit London for the day on the 6th of January for some meetings which we couldn’t fit in during this week. They are: ; – to discuss experience of being a cooperative council; - expert on public service reform, ; - to discuss city regions, LEPs and links to Local Government Reform. will be accompanying the Minister on this visit, she has discussed this with . Many thanks, Uwch Ysgrifennydd Preifat i Leighton Andrews AC, Gweinidog Gwasanaethau Cyhoeddus Senior Private Secretary to Leighton Andrews AM, Minister for Public Services Llywodraeth Cymru / Welsh Government Ffôn / Tel: [email protected] / [email protected] Yn hapus i ohebu yn Gymraeg neu’n Saesneg / Happy to correspond in English or Welsh _____________________________________________ From: (Perm Sec - OFM) On Behalf Of PS First Minister Sent: 20 November 2014 11:13 To: PS Minister for Public Services Cc: PS First Minister; (Special Adviser); DS Minister for Public Services Subject: RE: Minister for PS - London meetings Thanks , the First Minister has noted. Prif Ysgrifennydd Preifat i Prif Weinidog Cymru Senior Private Secretary to the First Minister of Wales Tel/Ffon: Fax/Ffacs: E-mail/E-bost: @wales.gsi.gov.uk _____________________________________________ From: (Perm Sec - OFM) On Behalf Of PS Minister for Public Services Sent: 18 November 2014 18:07 To: PS First Minister Cc: PS Minister for Public Services; (Special Adviser); DS Minister for Public Services Subject: Minister for PS - London meetings , , Can you please make the First Minister aware that the Minister for Public Services is intending to set up a series of high level meetings in London over 3 days during winter recess in December to discuss innovative practice in public services in order to inform his thinking in terms of next steps on Public Services Reform. The list of individuals/organisations we are approaching for meetings include: (arranged); National Audit Office – taken on various previous role of Audit Commission on Local Government inspection and regulation; Audit Commission – previously Audit and Regulation of Local Government; Local Government Association – membership organisation and lead on improvement of Local Government; - Innovation enterprise; New Local Government Network – think tank on Local Government; Smith Institute – independent think tank on public policy; –(arranged); Lambeth Council – early adopter of co-operative council model; – expert on government reform and improvement (arranged); – ; – expert on public service reform,. We are also seeking to arrange bilaterals with UK Ministers. Kind regards, Uwch Ysgrifennydd Preifat i Leighton Andrews AC, Gweinidog Gwasanaethau Cyhoeddus Senior Private Secretary to Leighton Andrews AM, Minister for Public Services Llywodraeth Cymru / Welsh Government Ffôn / Tel: [email protected] / [email protected] Yn hapus i ohebu yn Gymraeg neu’n Saesneg / Happy to correspond in English or Welsh From: (OFMCO - Office of the First Minister) @gov.wales Sent: Thu 25/09/2014 16:48 To: Archive 2016 PS First Minister <[email protected]>; PS Minister for Public Services <[email protected]> Cc: DELETED - (Special Adviser) @wales.gsi.gov.uk>; (Archive) <[email protected]> Subject: MPS/FM 1. MPS notified FM that he’s developing an amendment on violence against women and girls to table to the Bill (Violence, Domestic Abuse and Sexual Violence (Wales)Bill) – which will be necessary to get the Bill through. FM noted. 2. Discussion on smacking…FM confirmed that the WG will not support legislation or amendments outlawing smacking of children. He is clear that such a move without any previous manifesto commitments, public or professional consultation, consideration of legal consequences, advice from CPS etc would be entirely wrong and amount to bad government. MPS noted this clear Government position. Thanks Principal Private Secretary to the First Minister of Wales Prif Ysgrifennydd Preifat i Brif Weinidog Cymru Tel/Ffon: E-mail/E-bost: @wales.gsi.gov.uk Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Llywodraeth Cynulliad Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. Any of the statements or comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Assembly Government, any constituent part or connected body.