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Report of Proceedings of House of Keys REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS OF HOUSE OF KEYS Douglas, Tuesday, October 28, 1975 at 11 a.m. Present: The Speaker (Mr. H. C. Kerruish, with the majority of votes of members O.B.E.), Messrs. R. J. G. Anderson, H. D.C. present and voting, but less than 13, must MacLeod, G. M. Kermeen, P. Radcliffe, be voted upon separately to see whether or Miss J. C. C. Thornton-Duesbery, Messrs. not that candidate can achieve the necessary J. R. Creer, E. Ranson, P. A. Spittall, G. T. 13 votes, a majority of the House. If two Crellin, T. C. Faragher. N. Q. Cringle, Mrs. or more candidates have a majority of E. C. Quayle, Messrs. W. A. Moore, E. M. votes of members present and voting, but Ward, B.E.M., E. C. Irving, Miss K. E. less than 13, then the candidate with the Cowin, Mr. G. A. Devereau, Mrs. B. Q. most votes is voted upon separately to Hanson, Messrs. R. MacDonald, P. G. achieve 13. If there is an equality in this Hislop, Sir Henry Sugden, K.B.E., C.B., case then that provision of putting the D.S.O., with Mr. T. E. Kermeen, Secretary candidate's name to the House is decided of the House. by lot. The candidate, on election, is en- titled to 14 days under the Act to make up APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE. his or her mind whether or not they will accept the nomination. Those, broadly, are The Speaker: Apologies for absence have the rules governing the election. If any been received from Mr. Bell and Mr. Clucas member has any questions, at this stage, I who are attending the Commonwealth would be happy to try and answer them. Parliamentary Association Conference in If not, hon. members, we will proceed to India. the election of a person to serve as a mem- ber of the Legislative Council. as set out LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL— at item I of our Agenda, and I am now MR. CRELLIN ELECTED AS prepared to receive nominations. A MEMBER Mr. Radcliffe: Mr. Speaker, I would like to propose the hon. and gallant member for Hon. members, the first The Speaker: Rushen, Major Crellin. I know that many item on our Agenda this morning is the members will be aware that Major Crellin election of a person to serve as a member has intimated to this hon. House that he of the Legislative Council in terms of has no intention of standing for the next section 4 of the Isle of Man Constitution election to the House of Keys. We are all (Amendment) Act 1975 for the period aware also it was because of health reasons ending on 31st October 1982. Governing the at that time that he made that statement. election in connection with item 1 on the I feel certain that Major Crellin has served Agenda are these qualifications — a person this House extremely well. I have had the to be eligible must be not less than 21 years pleasure of serving with him on the Local of age, must be resident in the Isle of Man Government Board for many years and I and be not in receipt of United Kingdom feel certain that it would be a great loss to or Isle of Man Government salary. The this House and to Tynwald in the future procedure, broadly, is this — to elect a if we lost Major Crellin, I therefore would candidate that person must have 13 votes like to nominate him. or more. I shall initially call for nomina- tions and the proposer and seconder may Mr. Faragher: Mr. Speaker, I would like speak in favour of their nominee. Each to second the hon. member, Mr. Crellin. completed ballot paper must give a vote When I entered this hon. House in 1965 to only one candidate and the candidate the south of the Island had six members Apologies for Absence.— Legislative Council—Mr. Crellin Elected as a Member. K2 HOUSE OF KEYS, OCTOBER 28. 1975 representing it, three from the sheading of member of this House, has been returned Rushen in the House of Keys, one from three times for Glenfaba and he does in- Castletown in the House of Keys, and two valuable work especially in connection with members in the Legislative Council, namely the hospital and it gives me great pleasure Mr. McFee and Sir Ralph Stevenson. Un- to nominate him for the Council. fortunately, two or three years later Sir Ralph retired and unfortunately for us Mr. Mr. MacDonald: Mr. Speaker, I find McFee lost his seat, so therefore we have myself in a quandary here today because, been going, this last few years, with four like my other colleagues from the west, it representatives from the south of the Isle of is rather disturbing having only at the last Man. When 1 came in, as I have said before, election of this type in the House agreed the population in the south was much to support a Rushen member because I smaller than it is at the moment and I am think a member was required from Rushen convinced, in my own mind, that the south where there is a fair sized population, but of the Island is entitled to six sitting mem- like my colleague from Glenfaba, I am bers in our Legislature. That is not the only rather disturbed to find that in fact in the reason that I am moving Mr. Crellin, but west of the Island once again we will have I think if Mr. Crellin was relieved of the no representation whatsoever in the Council. arduous duty of being a member of the The balance at the moment, Mr. Speaker, Finance Board and, this is my thought, made if we divide the Island into four areas, I an ordinary member such as we are, I think know this is not the only criteria, I think that he would accept. I think he would make service to the House and length of service an excellent member representative of the in the House is also a criteria in this elec- Keys in the Upper House. In his time in tion. Mr. MacLeod and for that matter Mr. this House he has been Vice-Chairman of Creer are, apart from yourself, Mr. Speaker, the Local Government Board, Vice-Chair- senior members in the House with long man of the Police Board, a member of the service in all sorts of jobs. However, I find Children's Committee, Whitley Council, that in the Council at the moment we have Board of Education, War Pensions, Manx three Council members from the east of the Museum and National Trust, Trades Island, two from the north of the Island Council, and Vice-Chairman of the Assess- and one from the south, with the west not ment Board, and this has given him a represented at all. Even so, in the Keys I considerable amount of experience. As we find that we have from the south of the all know, Geoff, whatever he sets out to do Island four representatives. in Tynwald, he does it thoroughly; we have all got to where this joint vote takes place through admit that. We may not like his points of an unusual system, not to be found any- view sometimes, but that is beside the point, where else in the Commonwealth, this that is his way of thinking and our way of balance of power is very important for the thinking also, but nevertheless whatever he people in the different areas. In the east of does he does it well and I, for one, take the Island at the moment if I put Middle, great pleasure, Mr. Speaker, in seconding with all due respect to the gentlemen from Mr. Crellin. Middle, Mr. Speaker, if 1 put them in the east because I do not think they are very Mr. Anderson: Mr. Speaker, I wish to far west, there are 12 people in this House nominate my colleague, Mr. Hugh Mac- representing the east of the Isle of Man Leod, one of the most senior members of today, there are five in this House repre- this House and also from an area of the senting the north of the Isle of Man, there Island that is for the first time, in a very are four in the south, the west has three, long time, without representation in the so the west has a minority in this House, Upper House. The west of the Island, well the Keys, and no-one at all in the Upper for a very long time my father-in-law was House. I agree that if we had a party a member, Mr. George Gale was a member system of government in the Isle of Man, of that House representing the west of the Mr. Speaker, this would not matter at all Island, and subsequently Mr. Ffinl•o Cork- as the balance of power would be decided hill, and the west of the Island is now on political issues. Unfortunately, under without representation. I do not think this our system it is not decided on political is the only criteria, but he is a senior issues; to a large extent, if anything, it is Legislative Council--Mr. Crellin Elected as a Member. HOUSE OF KEYS, OCTOBER 28. 1975 K3 decided on parish pump. However, 1 think near to me who have long service, I would that the balance of power at the same time be prepared to accept either, Mr. Speaker, must be equally distributed among the but I think that we should get the chance in people as we have this non-political party the west of representation.
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