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Projekat The Project From Noise to Sound 5 From Noise to Sound

Kako zvuči How does a skulptura!? 9 Sculpture Sound?!

Umesto destrukcije Instead of Destruction – - konstrukcija zvuka 17 Sound Construction razgovor sa Nikolom Macurom interview with Nikola Macura

Političari nikada neće Politicians will Never razumeti javni prostor 33 Understand Public Space! razgovor sa Filipom Jurkovičem interview with Filip Jurkovič

This project is co-financed by the Governments Zahvaljujući umetničkoj Pool Restored of Czechia, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia through instalaciji obnovljen bazen 41 Thanks to Art Installation Visegrad Grants from International Visegrad Fund. razgovor sa Petrom Vališkom-Timečkim interview with Peter Valiská-Timečko The mission of the fund is to advance ideas for sustainable regional cooperaton in Central Europe. Javni prostor Public Space Is je stalno na udaru 49 Constantly under Attack razgovor sa Tomašom Drevičem interview with Tomasz Drewics

Kič je u porastu Kitsch is on the u celoj Evropi 57 Rise across Europe razgovor sa Anjom Ingland interview with Ania England

Istoriju ne možemo History Cannot Be samo izbrisati gumicom 65 Erased with an Eraser! razgovor sa Galom Tamašom interview with Gaál Tamás i Čilom Berkeš and Csilla Berkes

Impresum 72 Impressum This publication is part The of the project From Noise to Sound supported by Project the International Visegrad Fund, coordinated by From the Academy of Arts, University of Novi Sad Noise to (Serbia) in partnership with the University of Sound Arts in Poznań (Poland), the Faculty of Music and Visual Arts, the University of Pécs (Hungary) and the Academy of Arts in Banská Bystrica (Slovakia).

The project is an attempt to tackle the issue of the lack of the contemporary sculpture in Novi Sad through critical analysis and mutual work of students and teachers of art Ova publikacija from four cities: Novi Sad, Banská Bystrica, predstavlja deo Projekat Pécs and Poznań. The specific choice of the projekta From cities is justified by their many similarities in Noise to Sound From architecture but also our similar cultural and koji je podržao historical heritage left by former communist Međunarodni Noise to regimes. višegradski fond (International Sound While tackling the problem of the lack of Visegrad Fund) i contemporary sculpture in Novi Sad we koji realizuje Akademija umetnosti Univerzi- thought it was crucial to properly identify teta u Novom Sadu, u partnerstvu sa Uni- and diagnose the problem, as any recovery verzitetom umetnosti u Poznanju (Poljska), can only begin with a proper diagnosis of Fakultetom vizuelnih i muzičkih umetnosti the present condition. We are also deeply Univerziteta u Pečuju (Mađarska) i Akademi- convinced that the issue of the lack of jom umetnosti u Banskoj Bistirici (Slovačka). contemporary sculpture has to be raised from the professional point of view within Projekat predstavlja inicijativu ka problem- academic and artistic circles not only skom razmišljanju i delovanju u cilju re- because the main goal of our institutions šavanja problema nedostatka savremene is to educate in the field of art, but also skulpture u Novom Sadu, kroz zajednički rad considering the enormous potential of the studenata i profesora iz četiri grada: Novog young and creative energy of students who Vajar Nikola Macura u ateljeu / Sada, Banske Bistrice, Pečuja i Poznanja. represent the art community of the future. Nikola Macura, a sculptor, in the studio

5 Specifičan izbor upavo ovih gradova oprav- Having these ideas in mind, we organized davaju brojne sličnosti u njihovim arhitekton- an international workshop From Noise to skim obeležjima, ali i slično kulturno-istorij- Sound in May 2019 where prominent artists sko nasleđe bivših komunističkih zemalja. and professors from Pécs, Poznań and Banská Bystrica gave presentations on the Tretirajući problem nedostatka savremene topic of contemporary sculpture and public skulpture u Novom Sadu smatrali smo da space in their cities. The exchange of ideas, je veoma važno pravilno identifikovati pro- examples of best (and not so good) practice blem, jer znamo da svaki oporavak počinje in these cities have shed new light on the pravilnom dijagnozom trenutnog stanja. issues of public space and contemporary Takođe, duboko smo uvereni da pitanje sculptures in Novi Sad and indicated new nedostatka savremene skulpture mora biti and different approaches to this issue. postavljeno sa profesionalnog stanovišta Besides the analysis, the aim of this project umetničko-akademske zajednice, pre svega was also to offer a concrete solution to jer je osnovni cilj naših institucija da obrazu- this problem in the form of interdisciplinary ju u oblasti umetnosti, ali i imajuću u vidu sound installation. Our final installation was ogrman potencijal mlade i kreativne ener- presented at the exhibition/performance gije studenata koji predstavljaju umetničku From Noise to Sound on June 1, 2019 at zajednicu budućnosti. Sa tom idejom smo Svilara Cultural Station where besides the u okviru ovog projekta u maju 2019. održali Novi Sad team (which consisted of various Banske Bistrice. Izložba je bila veoma pose- Dogovori u Pečuju pre početka ćena a izrodila je i neke nove ideje i inicijative projekta - Nikola Macura i Čila Berkeš / međunarodnu radionicu From Noise to Sound artists and a scientist led by Assistant Meetings in Pécs before the start of the na kojoj su eminentni umetnici i profesori iz Professor and project coordinator, Nikola za buduće projekte u ovoj oblasti. project - Nikola Macura and Csilla Berkes Pečuja, Poznanja i Banske Bistrice održali Macura), the representatives of the partner prezentacije o savremenoj skulpturi i javnom academies in Pécs, Poznań and Banská Zašto savremena skulptura? prostoru u svojim gradovima. Razmena Bystrica also participated the exhibition / content within the public space is again ideja i primeri dobre i loše prakse u ovim performance. There were a lot of people Ideja za ovaj projekat nastala je kao prirod- becoming a hot topic. In this light, we feel gradovima bacili su novo svetlo na pitanja who came to see the exhibition, which also na reakcija na trenutnu situaciju u kojoj se that a project based on interdisciplinary javnog prostora i savremene skulpture u generated some new initiatives and ideas for nalazi savremena skulptura u Novom Sadu. work, international cooperation and shared Novom Sadu i ukazali su na drugačije načine future projects in this field. Savremene skulpture (i instalacije) gotovo experiences of Serbian and Visegrad artists pristupa ovom problemu. Međutim, pored da nema. Sa druge strane, uz novostečenu could put a different light on the problem of analize želeli smo da ponudimo i konkretno Why contemporary sculpture? titulu Evropske prestonice kulture 2021, čini contemporary sculpture in Novi Sad. rešenje ovog problema u vidu interdisci- se da je pitanje javnog prostora Novog Sada, plinarne zvučne instalacije. U postavljanju The idea for this project came as a kao i umetničkog sadržaja unutar javnog Bojana Borković konačne instalacije, koja je predstavljena na natural reaction to the current situation prostora, ponovo aktuelno. U tom svetlu završnoj izložbi/performansu From Noise of contemporary sculpture in Novi Sad smo smatrali da projekat koji se temelji na to Sound, 1. juna u Kulturnoj stanici Svilara, which hardly has any contemporary interdisciplinarnosti, međunarodnoj saradnji pored novosadskog tima (koji je činio naj- sculptures (or installations) in the public u oblasti umetnosti i zajedničkim iskustvima raznovrsniji skup naučnika i umetnika i koji space. On the other hand, with the new srpskih i višegradskih umetnika, može da je predvodio doc. Nikola Macura, koordina- title of Novi Sad as the European Capital pruži drugačije svetlo na problem savreme- tor projekta), učestvovali su i predstavnici of Culture 2021, it seems that the issue of ne skulpture u Novom Sadu. partnerskih akademija iz Pečuja, Poznanja i public space in the city as well as artistic Bojana Borković

6 7 Nikola Macura, How does a sculptor, has been trying a Sculpture to sound the objects found Sound?! on military waste for several years. He is searching for a new meaning and different energy of these used objects so they are no longer destructive, but constructive. We will agree that this is something that we lack the most in the region where the weapons have been constantly rattling. There is far more destruction and killing than music, joy and creation. These completely transformed rifles and mortars send anti-war message: it is better to play than shoot!

However, this is not enough for this versatile Već nekoli- and energetic artist. He is wondering: how ko godina Kako does a sculpture sound!? And he is not just vajar Nikola searching for any sound, but genuine music Macura zvuči pieces composed for rifles and helmets. pokušava That is why he has called professionals da ozvuči skulptura?! from other fields for help: musicians Nikola predmete Macura, a saxophonist and Milica Svirac, nađene na vojnim otpadima. On tim rasho- a cellist; Željko Škrbić, a physicist dealing dovanim objektima pronalazi novi smisao with acoustics as well as Milan Aleksić, a i drugačiju energiju. Više ne rušilačku i composer. Macura is an artist who creates destruktivnu, već konstruktivnu. A, složiće- while communicating with the environment. mo se, toga ponajviše nedostaje na ovim He wants to induce action and reaction in prostorima gde se oružjem stalno zvecka. passive observers. Besides interaction, play Mnogo je više rušenja, uništavanja i ubijanja, and humor, his objects, installations and nego muziciranja, radosti, stvaranja. Ovako interventions in space generally deal with suštinski preobražene puške i minobacači social issues. That was the case some time šalju antiratne poruke i kao da nam poruču- ago, when he flowered the grenade holes.1 ju: Bolje sviraj, nego da pucaš! For him, a sculpture is a much broader term than the work of art itself. It is a process No, to ovom svestranom i energičnom that involves time, audience and other umetniku nije dovoljno. On se pita: kako zvu- artists. They are all witnesses and acting 6 9 force; he is a superartist2 who approaches mnogo širi pojam od samog umetničkog The end of the workshop was marked by problems actively and positively - just like dela. To je proces, trajanje u vremenu koje the exhibition of the sound objects. During the Pythons used to sing.3 uključuje publiku, kao i druge umetnike. Oni its opening the musicians performed music su svedoci i akteri, a on je superumetnik2 koji pieces specifically composed for these As he was walking around the military problemima pristupa aktivno i pozitivno - instruments. When the musicians finished waste, Macura was pondering about the baš kao što su pevali Pajtonovci.3 their performance, Nikola Macura, the problem of the lack of contemporary project coordinator, invited the audience to sculpture in Novi Sad. This inspiring Dok je šetao po otpadima, Macura je raz- try to play on them, thus breaking the usual atmosphere led him to the idea for the mišljao o problemu nedostatka savremene silence between art and its audience. As it is project From Noise to Sound which would skulpture u Novom Sadu. Tako je u toj inspi- often the case, the awkwardness of this kind involve artists from surrounding countries. rativnoj atmosferi došao na ideju projekta was first broken by the youngest part of the They would present the examples of pod nazivom From Noise to Sound (Iz buke u audience who could not wait to “play some best practice in their environments. The zvuk), koja bi uključila umetnike iz zemalja music”. A somewhat cheesy line that music project From Noise to Sound has enabled u okruženju. Zamisao je bila da oni pred- brings people together has proven itself a dialogue with artists from the countries stave primere dobre skulptorske prakse u to be true this time. A large number of the of the Visegrad region - with artists from njihovim sredinama. Projekat From Noise to audience was a sure sign to this sculptor to Poland, Slovakia and Hungary with whom Sound je ponudio dijalog sa umetnicima iz continue exploring the sculpture and sound. we share a similar cultural heritage evident zemalja Višegradske regije, odnosno umet- Macura’s sound objects made of military in the monuments of socialist realism. The nicima iz Poljske, Slovačke i Mađarske, sa waste are something completely different Saksofonista Nikola Macura participants of international workshop were kojima delimo slično nasleđe socrealističkih from the old-fashioned sculptures we i akustičar Željko Škrbić / professors and students from Poznań, spomenika. Učesnici međunarodnih preda- usually see on Novi Sad squares. It is a Nikola Macura, a saxophonist Banská Bystrica, Pécs and of course vanja i radionica bili su profesori i studenti contemporary sound installation created by and Željko Škrbić, a specialist in acoustics Novi Sad who presented the examples of iz Poznanja, Banske Bistrice, Pečuja i Novog the joint work of artists and scientists. It is sculpture in public space of their cities. Sada, koji su pripremili primere skulpture u interdisciplinary and interactive. There were plenty of positive examples, but javnom prostoru gradova u kojima žive. Bilo či skulptura!? I pri tom ne želi bilo koji zvuk, also the negative ones. In any case, they je tu dosta pozitivnih primera, ali i onih ne I want to believe that the project From već istinske kompozicije za puške i šlemove. gave us some new guidelines how to think. tako blistavih. U svakom slučaju, dali su nam Noise to Sound has managed to raise the Zato je u pomoć pozvao i profesionalce iz smernice u kom pravcu da razmišljamo. awareness of the citizens about what a drugih branši: muzičare - saksofonistu Ni- Time was limited: during the six days of modern installation can be at least a bit. kolu Macuru i violončelistkinju Milicu Svirac, the workshop in Novi Sad the guest artists Vremena je bilo malo jer su gostujući Also, I hope that the politicians will also be akustičara i fizičara Željka Škrbića, kao i participated in the making of the installation umetnici svih šest dana, koliko su boravili willing to support the further developments kompozitora Milana Aleksića. in the afternoon sessions. As this is the kind u Novom Sadu, u popodnevnim časovima that have started with this project and of work that Macura has been doing for učestvovali u kreiranju zvučne instalacije. allocate the funds so that the sound Macura je umetnik koji stvara u komunikaciji years, the participants worked on arranging Doduše, to je posao kojim se Macura bavi objects could be made in a larger format sa okruženjem. Kod pasivnih posmatrača on the installation, providing acoustics as godinama, tako da se još radilo na organi- and placed within the public space of Novi želi da pobudi akciju i reakciju. Pored interak- well as composing the music pieces that zaciji instalacije, akustici, kao i aranžiranju Sad. This way, our city will receive a truly cije, igre i humora, njegovi objekti, instalacije would be played on them. Besides the visual kompozicija koje se na njima mogu odsvira- contemporary sculpture appropriate for i intervencije u prostoru uglavnom problema- artists and among our guests from abroad, ti. Osim vizuelnih umetnika, među gostima a city with a title of European Capital of tizuju društveno angažovana pitanja. Tako there were also musicians who practiced iz inostranstva bilo je i muzičara koji su Culture. je bilo i davno kad je rupe od granata iz rata performing on these unusual instruments uvežbavali svoje deonice na ovim nesvaki- zaceljivao cvećem.1 Za njega je skulptura during the workshop.4 dašnjim instrumentima.4 Dragana Garić Jovičić

10 11 Kao prirodan završetak radionice održana Fusnote / Footnotes je izložba samih zvučnih objekata, da bi u sklopu otvaranja izložbe muzičari odsvirali kompozicije specijalno nastale za ove instru- mente. Kada su muzičari završili nastup, 1 / Prilikom akcije pod nazivom Isceljivanje Macura 1 / In his project called Isceljivanje (Healing) Macura Nikola Macura je kao koordinator projekta je cvetnim čepovima ispunio rupe od granata čelične filled the grenade holes with flower plugs which are pozvao publiku da proba da zasvira i na skulpture, simbola snage i moći revolucije, postavl- the symbols of the power and revolution. They were taj način prekine uobičajenu tišinu između jene na platou ispred nekadašnjeg Muzeja socijalis- placed on a plateau in front of the former Museum of umetnosti i njene publike. I kako to često tičke revolucije. Zaceljivanje revolucije je podrazume- Socialist Revolution. Healing the revolution involved valo kolektivni rad u izradi i postavljanju čepova u working together in making and placing the plugs in biva, taj jaz su najpre prekinuli oni najmlađi određene rupe, koje su različitih oblika i dimenzija. specific holes of different shapes and dimensions. koji su jedva dočekali da muziciraju. Iako Svaka rupa ima unikatni čep od silikona u kome je Each hole had a unique silicone plug holding the pomalo otrcana, fraza da muzika spaja ljude cvet. flower. se opet pokazala kao tačna. Odličan odziv posetilaca bio je siguran znak ovom vajaru Još jedan Macurin rad uvodi cveće kao lajt motiv. U There is another of Macura’s works that has pitanju je instalacija pod nazivom Za-gaziti, koja se introduced flowers as a light motif. It is an installation da treba da nastavi da istražuje skulpturu sastoji od cvetnog tepiha postavljenog po stepeništu called Za-gaziti (Stepping on) consisting of a flower koja proizvodi zvuk. galerije. Tuda posetioci moraju da prođu da bi stigli carpet set up over the gallery staircase. The visitors na postavku, tako da je gaženje cveća neminovnost. have to step on it in order to arrive at the setting, so Macurini zvučni objekti od delova sa vojnih Na taj način ovaj umetnik naglašava važnost samog stepping on the flowers is inevitable. This way, the otpada su nešto sasvim drugo u odnosu procesa nastanka umetnosti, umesto perfekcionizma artist emphasizes the importance of the process of nekih vidova savremene skulpture. Gazeći cveće pos- art creation rather than the perfectionism of some na staromodnu skulpturu koju imamo na etilac galerije može da se zapita otkuda ovo cveće, ali aspects of contemporary sculpture. When stepping novosadskim trgovima. To je savremena i da se zamisli o prolaznosti lepog, a malo je toga na on the flowers, a visitor of the gallery may wonder zvučna instalacija koja je nastala zajed- ovom svetu što tako kratko kraje a toliko fascinira ra- where these flowers came from, but also think about ničkim radom umetnika i naučnika. Na taj sponom boja, oblika i mirisa kao što je to cveće. Tako the transience of beauty. There are not many things način ona je interdisciplinarna, a pri tome i nas ovaj autor podseća na čisto estetsko uživanje in this world so short-lived that can fascinate us with koje se gotovo izgubilo u umetnosti. its color, shape and smell as flowers can. Therefore, interaktivna. this author highlights pure aesthetic joy that is almost lost in art. Želim da verujem da je projekat From Noise 2 / Superumetnik je jedan od projekata Nikole Macure to Sound makar malo podigao svest sugra- u kojem se on poigrava pojmom superjunaka. đana o tome šta sve može da bude savre- 2 / Superumetnik (Superartist) is one the Nikola Macura’s projects where he plays with the concept of mena instalacija. Takođe, nadam da će i poli- 3 / Dok čitate ovaj tekst muzička pozadina može da a superhero. tičari imati sluha da podrže dalje etape ovog bude Monty Python - Always Look on the Bright Side of projekta, te odobre sredstva da se ovi zvučni Life. 3 / While you are reading this text, a possible music objekti realizuju u većem formatu i u okviru background could be Monty Python - Always Look on javnih prostora grada Novog Sada. Na taj the Bright Side of Life 4 / Zvukovi koji na njima nastaju ne pretenduju da način će naš grad dobiti istinski savremenu kopiraju standardne instumente, već da otkrivaju 4 / The sounds that are made when playing on them skulpturu kakva dolikuje budućoj Evropskoj nove mogućnosti. are not made to copy standard instruments, but to prestonici kulture. discover new possibilities.

Dragana Garić Jovičić

12 13 Saksofonista Nikola Macura sa zvučnim objektom, delom vajara istog imena i prezimena / Nikola Macura, a saxophonist, with a sound object, a work of the sculptor with the same name Nikola Instead of Macura is an artist in Destruction – constant search for Sound ways to reach the Construction audience, animate and engage them and then draw attention to social problems that are abundant in this region. This time we met to talk about the international project From Noise to Sound which he has initiated and has been coordinating.

We are starting the conversation by asking how it all began.

“The first research was done in Kulpin in 2014 within a colony organized by the Nikola Museum of Vojvodina. You were the author Macura Umesto of this colony. There I tried to use different je umet- objects from military waste, such as nik koji je destrukcije – helmets and rifles in order to get aesthetized u stalnoj forms which could also produce sound. potrazi za konstrukcija That was actually the beginning of the načinima research. Then I decided to deal with sound dopiranja zvuka as destruction - in other words - sound as do publi- music. I merged the elements into a kind of ke, kako bi je animirao i skrenuo joj pažnju assemblage in a way that these sculptures na društvene probleme koji ovoj sredini ne still reminded of the usable objects from manjkaju. Povod za priču sa njim je inter- which they were made. In a visual sense, I nacionalni projekat From Noise to Sound (Iz did not change these objects too much but buke u zvuk) čiji je idejni tvorac i koordinator. merged them so that in a way they looked like instruments. By the way, the relationship Razgovor započinjemo pitanjem: kako je between destruction and music is sve počelo? something that has intrigued me for a long time. I have tried to find a way to translate - Prvo istraživanje je bilo u Kulpinu 2014, u the destructive elements of the environment okviru kolonije koju organizuje Muzej Vojvo- into something that is art and something

17 dine. Ti si bila njen autor. Tu sam pokušao da od predmeta sa vojnog otpada, kao što su šlemovi i puške, dobijem estetizovane for- Art can me iz kojih može da se proizvede zvuk. To je change society zapravo bio početak istraživanja. Tada sam rešio da se bavim zvukom kao destrukcijom, “I have been poisoned by the idea odnosno zvukom kao muzikom. Spajao that art can change society from sam elemente u neku vrstu asamblaža, s tim the start of my work. I truly believe da te skulpture i dalje podsećaju na upotreb- it can. Here, we have given some ne predmete od kojih su nastale. U vizuel- examples how this is possible. nom smislu te predmete nisam menjao Artists presenting at specific previše, već sam ih spajao tako da delimično public places can draw the public asociraju na instrumente. Inače, već dugo attention to themselves. I do not vremena me intresuje odnos destrukcije i think that art can change society muzike. Pokušao sam da nađem način da significantly, but it can raise destruktivne elemente iz okruženja preve- some important issues. For me, dem u nešto što je umetnost i što komuni- it is enough to have the ability cira sa ljudima na ovom podneblju. Pošto to draw attention of people with živimo na Balkanu, u Srbiji, mislim da je ovo what I do. Because of this, I often uvek aktuelna tema. balance my work at the border of kitsch. I use color in sculpture to U izradu tvojih instalacija uključio si čitav make what I do at least somewhat tim profesionalaca – od muzičara preko understandable to an average naučnika do kompozitora. Koliko ti je zna- consumer of art. This is why I use čila ta saradnja? color in sculpture. I just want to Atelje vajara Nikole Macure u proizvode nekakav zvuk. Smatram velikom podnožju Petrovaradinske tvrđave / make my work as communicative srećom da je neko prihvatio taj posao. - Veoma sam zahvalan ljudima koji su od Nikola Macura’s studio in front as possible,” Macura says. of the Petrovaradin Fortress početka hteli da sarađuju sa mnom. Pre sve- Nastanak ovih instrumenata prate i video ga, zato što na svakom početku imate samo radovi. ideju kao apstraktnu zamisao. Kasnije smo “I am very grateful to the people who wanted došli i do konkretnih rezultata. Od početka - Pošto je ovo procesualni rad, za mene je to work with me from the beginning. Firstly, su sa mnom sarađivali perkusionista Ištvan that can communicate with people in this veoma bitan način na koji se beleži svaki at the beginning the only thing you have Čik, violončelistkinja Milica Svirac i moj region. Since we live in the Balkans, in korak u nastajanju umetničkog dela. Tako is the idea as an abstract concept. Only imenjak i prezimenjak, saksofonista Nikola Serbia, I think this is always an up-to-date nastaje vizuelni identitet. Iako se skulptura later we came to concrete results. From Macura. Sa njima i sa fizičarem Željkom topic”, Macura explains. uglavnom beleži samo na fotografijama, the very beginning I was cooperating with Škrbićem uspeli smo da proizvedemo prva ovde je u pitanju rad koji poseduje i zvuk, Ištvan Čik, a percussionist; Milica Svirac, a tri objekta koji proizvode zvuk. Naknadno se You have involved a whole team of izvođenje, performans. Zvučni objekti su pri- cellist and my namesake, Nikola Macura, a u ovaj projekat uključio i kompozitor Milan professionals in the creation of your kazani kroz tri kratke video forme koje prate saxophonist. Together with Željko Škrbić, Aleksić, koji je prihvatio da komponuje za installations – from musicians to scientists njihov nastanak. Prvi prikazuje odabir pred- a physicist, we managed to create the njih. Bilo je zahtevno jer, naravno, to nisu and composers. How important was this meta sa vojnog otpada, drugi priču o njiho- first three sound objects. Later on we got savršeni instrumenti, već instalacije koje collaboration to you? vom spajanju i na kraju je predstavljen način Milan Aleksić, the composer, on board who

18 19 na koji se dolazi do zvuka. Autor ovih sjajnih agreed to compose. It was a demanding true contemporary sculpture in Novi Sad video radova je Vojin Ivkov. Tako je medij work because, naturally, these are not real public space. The problem is in the visual skulpture povezan sa muzikom, a predstav- instruments but installations that produce Umetnost može da language that the sculpture addresses. It ljen kroz film. Na taj način ovaj projekat je some kind of sound. I am very fortunate that menja društvo is a retrograde language. So, I realized that postao multimedijalno istraživanje. someone took on this job.” both myself as an artist and my institution - Ja sam od svojih početaka - the Academy of Arts - need to offer not Nedostatak savremene skulpture na no- The creation of these instruments is zatrovan idejom da umetnost only a critical analysis of the situation, vosadskim trgovima je očigledan, no ono followed by video works. može da menja društvo. Zaista but above all, a constructive example how što je meni najzanimljivije je to što si ti, verujem da može. Eto dali smo to address this issue in the city that is umesto da zauzmeš poziciju kritičara, “Since this is a process, noting every i neke primere kako. Izlazak aspiring to become the capital of culture. odlučio da se aktivno uključiš u rešavanje step in the making of the art work is very umetnika na određena mesta The project is primarily educational but problema, osmisliš projekat i daš jedno mo- important to me. This is how the visual može da skrene pažnju javnosti also research oriented. We have called guće rešenje. identity is created. Although the sculpture na njih. Ne mislim da umetnost for help the sculptors working at the art is mostly recorded only in photographs, this može značajno da promeni druš- academies in Hungary, Slovakia and Poland. - Smatram da je moja dužnost kao vajara da is a type of work that includes both sound tvo, ali može da ukaže na neka Our colleagues stayed in Novi Sad for six pokušavam da edukujem okruženje i da mu and performance. The sound objects are važna pitanja. Za mene je to days and during that time they presented pokažem šta sve može da bude skulptura. presented through three short video forms sasvim dovoljno – da onim što the situation in their countries, just like we Ideja da konkurišemo kod Višegrad fondacije that accompany their creation. The first radim mogu da skrenem pažnju. presented the situation here. They showed se rodila iz saznanja da u Novom Sadu ne one shows the selection of military waste Zbog toga svojim radovima čes- us the solutions they considered positive, postoji zaista savremena skulptura u jav- items; the second presents the story of to balansiram na granici kiča. but also some bad examples. I have given nom prostoru. Problem je u vizuelnom jeziku their merging together, and the final one Koristim boju u skulpturi zarad an example of how things can be tackled kojim se ta skulptura obraća. To je retrogra- shows the way how sound is produced. The toga da bi ono što radim bilo by offering a solution in the form of From dan jezik. Zato sam shvatio da ja kao autor author of these great video works is Vojin makar donekle razumljivo i pro- Noise to Sound installation. As part of the i Akademija na kojoj radim treba da ponu- Ivkov. Therefore, the medium of sculpture is sečnom konzumentu umetnosti. project, we have created a sound installation dimo ne samo kritički osvrt, već pre svega connected to music and presented through Zato koristim boju u skulpturi. on which the musicians from these three jedan konstruktivni predlog na koji način da a film. This way the project has become a Ja samo želim da svojim radovi- countries along with ours could play. Of multimedia research.” ma budem što je moguće komu- course, Visegrad musicians together with nikativniji - kaže Macura. our musicians were involved in the very The lack of contemporary sculpture in process of the installation making.“ Novi Sad squares is obvious, but what is most interesting to me is that instead of Your previous works were also interactive being too critical about it, you have decided and engaged the audience. Is it necessary to actively engage in problem solving se to pitanje počne rešavati u ovom gradu for you to make the contemporary art by initiating this project and offering a koji pretenduje da postane prestonica kultu- interactive? potential solution to the problem. re. Projekat je na prvom mestu edukativan, a onda i istraživački. U pomoć smo pozvali “In my opinion, contemporary sculpture “I think it my duty as a sculptor is to try i vajare koji rade na umetničkim fakultetima must have some kind of interaction. It is to educate people and show them what u Mađarskoj, Slovačkoj i Poljskoj. Kolege important for me that my colleagues and the sculpture can be. The idea to seek the su boravile u Novom Sadu šest dana, te audience are all involved in the process of support of the International Visegrad Fund su imale vremena da predstave situaciju u work and the creation of the sculpture. The was born out of the fact that there is no njihovim zemljama, kao i da mi pokažemo sculpture equally involves passers-by, my kako je ovde. Oni su izneli neka rešenja koja

20 21 su smatrali pozitivnim, kao i neke loše pri- colleagues and other media. Again, this is a Da li je na predavanjima u okviru projekta mere. Ja sam dao primer kako stvari mogu tricky situation. Sculpture in public space as bio i neki gradski političar koji se bavi kul- da se reše i ponudio rešenje u vidu instala- well as installation must use contemporary turom? cije From Noise to Sound. U okviru projekta language, that is, the language of the time smo napravili zvučnu instalaciju na kojoj su we live in predominantly in order to be - Nije ih bilo, no moj plan je da u novembru zajedno sa našim svirali i muzičari iz ove tri comprehensive.” izdamo i knjigu i film o projektu, tako da ću zemlje. Naravno, muzičari iz okruženja su tada da zovem i gradske čelnike. Imam u sa našim muzičarima bili uključeni i u sam Were any of the local politicians in charge vidu i tribinu na temu nedostatka savre- proces realizacije. of the culture sector present at the lectures mene skulpture u javnom prostoru Novog organized within the project? Sada. Mi ćemo pokazati vizuelni jezik koji I tvoji prethodni radovi su bili interaktivni i nudimo kao rešenje problema. Ideja je da po- uključivali su publiku. Da li je za tebe nužno “No, there weren’t, but my plan is to publish kažemo da se o skulpturi može razmišljati i da savremena umetnost bude interaktiv- a book and make a short film about the na drugi način. U uredbi gradskih vlasti se ne na? project in November, so I’ll invite the city spominje skulptura već samo pojam spo- authorities to their promotion. I am also menika, a mislim da je ključno da se ti ter- - Po meni , savremena skulptura mora da considering organizing a panel discussion mini više ne poistovećuju. To je čitava jedna ima neku vrstu interakcije. Bitno mi je da on the issue of the lack of contemporary diskusija koja mora pod hitno da se završi. kolege i publika budu uključeni u sam proces sculpture in Novi Sad public space. We will Mi nemamo uredbu o postavljanju skulpture rada i nastanka skulpture. Skulptura uvodi demonstrate the visual language which we u javnom prostoru i to mora da se izmeni. kako slučajne posmatrače i kolege, tako i offer as a solution to the problem. The idea Jako je bitan i taj pravni, formalni deo. druge medije. Opet je to granično polje. is to show that we can think of sculpture Sa tim se krenulo pre par godina i ja sam Skulptura u javnom prostoru i instalacija in another way. The city regulations do not učestvovao kao predstavnik našeg moraju da koriste savremeni jezik, odnosno mention the word sculpture, but the term Udruženja ULUV-a, međutim sve je stalo. jezik vremena u kome živimo, pre svega monument, and I think it is crucial that these zato da bi danas bila razumljiva. terms are no longer misused. That is an Prošle godine je otkrivena i konjička skulp- tura kralju Petru Prvom Karađorđeviću na trgu kod Riblje pijace. Da li je za nju posto- jao konkurs? Još uvek je sve netransparentno - Jeste, ali se iz nepoznatog razloga na njega prijavio samo jedan umetnik. To je - Poljaci su nam rekli da imaju fond u koji ako uneseš deset evra za savremenu bila gradska inicijatiiva i u propozicijama je umetnost, država doda još deset. Na taj način država sufinansira savremenu zahtevano da skulptura bude realistična. Ja umetnost. To je dobar fond, koji naravno može da se zloupotrebi, ali to je po sam bio pozvan da učestvujem u toj komi- meni jedno od boljih rešenja. Nama se sad otvara mnogo mogućnosti jer treba siji. Smatrao sam da se taj poziv ne odbija. da realizujemo dosta programa do evropske prestonice. Između ostalog i park Jedini motiv za učešće mi je bio da odabra- skulpture. Još uvek je sve netransparentno. Vidim pre neki dan da je Joko Ono na skulptura zadovoljava estetske zahteve, preko Exit fondacije poklonila gradu Novom Sadu jednu svoju instalaciju. S jed- to jest ako već mora da bude realistična, ne strane je to ok, jer je ona ime, a sa druge nije mi jasno kako je i zašto došlo da makar taj realizam bude dobar i auten- do tog poklona!? – pita se ovaj vajar. tičan. Mi imamo malo dobrog realizma na novosadskim trgovima. Ako su propozicije

22 23 konkursa takve da se traži strogo realistična important discussion that has to be made Sa studentima si osmislio i vodio projekat skulptura onda je moja preporuka kolegama: urgently. We do not have the regulations on po nazivom Skulptura i instalacija u Novom nemojte da pravite kompromise između rea- setting up the sculpture in public space and Sadu. It’s still all lizma i onoga čime se inače bavite, pokuša- that needs to be changed. This legal and non-transparent vajući da realizam provučete kroz sopstvenu formal aspect is tremendously important. - Taj naziv je namerno odabran. Hteo sam poetiku. Tako se dobija neka vrsta miksa The discussion started a few years ago da projekat bude primećen. Zaista je bio “Polish have told us that they koji je prisutan na većini novosadskih skul- and I was participating it in front of the veoma zapažen. Radio sam ga sa studen- have a fund in which if you bring ptura. A naravno da treba i mnogo drugog Association of Fine Artists of Vojvodina, but tima nekoliko godina. Smatrao sam da je ten Euros for contemporary osim realizma, jer da bismo postojali u ovom everything stopped there.” studentima nedostajao baš taj izlazak u art, the state adds ten more. vremenu, moramo da koristimo vizuelni jezik javni prostor i izmeštanje iz komforne zone This way, the state co-finances ovog vremena. Može i realizam, ali ne samo Last year, an equestrian sculpture was ateljea. Oni su postavljali skulpture i instala- contemporary art. It is a good realizam. I ne na taj način tretiranje materi- placed in honor of King Peter I of Serbia on cije na različite lokacije u gradu, tačnije jed- fund scheme which of course jala. Za savremenu skulpturu je veoma bitan the city square near the fish market. Was nom u Gradiću u Petrovaradinu i dva puta u can be misused, but, in my materijal, kontekst, pozicija gde i kako će there a public call for it? parku između Muzeja savremene umetnosti opinion, it is one of better biti postavljena. Na taj način ona doprinosi i Muzeja Vojvodine. Hteli smo da se skrene solutions. A lot of opportunities kulturnom identitetu grada. “Yes, but for some reason only one artist pažnja na mlade autore, kao i na lokacije u have opened up recently for us applied. It was a city initiative and the gradu koje nisu bile adekvatno iskorišćene. as many projects need to be Više od jedne decenije radiš na novosad- propositions required that the sculpture Veoma me raduje što se nekako dogodilo da implemented as a part of the skoj Akademiji umetnosti. Koliko su se should be made in realistic style. I was su obe lokacije posle tih intervencija zažive- European Capital of Culture generacije promenile u odnosu na onu sa invited to participate in that committee. I felt le. Gradić se obnavlja, a zaista je bio ruglo program. Among other things, kojom si ti studirao i da li uopšte razmišlja- that this is a kind of invitation you do not grada. Ja imam atelje tamo i čujem da sve the sculpture park. It’s still all ju da je vrhunac njihovog rada u realizaciji refuse. My only motive to participate was više umetnika želi tu da stvara. Takođe, i non-transparent. I see that skulpture u javnom prostoru? to make sure that the selected sculpture park između dva muzeja je trebalo da bude Yoko Ono donated one of her meets the aesthetic requirements, in other pretvoren u garažu, ali je ostao zelena povr- installations through the Exit - Mislim da ne. Mi već dugo, dvadeset-tri- words, if it has to be realistic, it should at šina, samo sada sređena. Ne mislim da je Foundation few days ago. On the deset godina živimo u izrazito siromašnom least be good and authentic. We have some ni jedno, ni drugo rešenje idealno, ali mislim one hand, it is ok because she društvu, a da biste se bavili skulpturom good ‘realism’ at Novi Sad squares. If the da smo skulpturama i instalacijama skrenuli is a brand for herself, but on the potrebno je da uložite ne samo sredstva, već propositions of the call are such that a pažnju na ove lokacije. Kroz taj projekat sam other, I do not understand how i energiju, vreme. Naravno, neophodno je da strictly realistic style sculpture is required, provukao i nastupe studenata u medijima. and why that gift happened!?” industrija funkcioniše. Vajari se u mnogome then I recommend to my colleagues: do not Koristili smo i socijalne mreže i sve ono što the sculptor is asking. oslanjaju na fabrike, u kojima se organizuju make compromises between realism and smatram da je veoma važno za savremenu kolonije i gde mogu da se izvedu skulpture what you normally do trying to squeeze in umetnost, odnosno prisutnost savremenih velikog formata. Kod nas toga odavno nema the realism through your own poetics. This umetnika i uopšte umetnosti u svim drugim tako da kada se bavimo skulpturom, bavimo gives a kind of mix that is evident in most medijima, na televiziji i internetu, jer je to na- and how it will be placed is very important se alternativnim materijalima i traženjem of Novi Sad’s sculptures. And of course, čin da se naša ideja o savremenoj skulpturi for contemporary sculpture. In such a way, načina na koji oni mogu da se koriste u there is much else to be done besides prezentuje što široj publici. it contributes to the cultural identity of the skulpturi. Iluzorno je govoriti o skulpturi u realism, because if we live in this time, we city.” javnom prostoru na nivou Akademije, jer je must use the visual language of the time. Uglavnom su svi učesnici projekta From to pitanje za grad, odnosno za državu. So realism is OK, but not just realism. And Noise to Sound primetili upečatljiv kontrast You have been working at the Academy of not in the way they treat the material. The između oružja kao destruktivne sile i zvuč- Arts Novi Sad for over a decade. How much material, the context, the position where nih instalacija kao konstruktivnih objekata have generations changed in comparison

24 25 to the time when you were a student and od njih načinjenih. Koliko je tebi važna ta but also to the locations in the city that are they even aware that having your veza? were not properly used. I am very glad that sculpture placed in public space is the somehow both sites came to life after those peak of any artist’s career? - Jako mi je bitna. Ti objekti su napravljeni interventions. Gradić is now being rebuilt, od oružja zato što je to kontekst po kome and before that it was really a sore spot of “I don’t think so. We have been living in a je Srbija prepoznata van svojih granica. the town. I have a studio there and I hear very poor society for twenty or thirty years Nažalost mi nismo prepoznatljivi po umet- that more and more artists wish to create and in order to engage in sculpture you need nosti, već po ratu koji je ovde vođen. Zato there now. Also, the park between the two to invest not only your financial resources ovi zvučni objekti pokušavaju da predstave museums was supposed to be converted but also your energy and your time. Of jedan drugačiji kontekst. Želeo sam da pred- into a garage but the green space remained course, it is essential for the industry to mete sa vojnog otpada prevedem iz buke u as it was and now they are just tiding it up. function. The sculptors rely heavily on zvuk, odnosno iz šlema i bombe u upotrebni I do not think that any of the solutions is factories where different art colonies are predmet koji još može da bude zvučni. Ova ideal, but I think that with these sculptures organized and which allow making of zemlja je prepoznatljiva po muzici i ratu. and installations we have drawn the public large-format sculptures. In our case, this is Hteo sam da to bude prepoznatljivo u ovom attention to the sites. Through that project something we haven’t had for a long time, projektu. U krajnjoj liniji to je ono u čemu I have managed to help some students so we deal with alternative materials and the smo mi odrasli, ali, nažalost, i ono u čemu i appear in the media. We have also used ways they can be used in sculpture. There is dalje živimo. To stalno sugerisanje potenci- social networks and all that, in my opinion, not much point in talking about sculpture in jalnog rata i držanje na stand-by-u u odnosu is very important for contemporary art. In public space only from the point of view of na komšije, to nas i dalje drži u toj atmosferi. other words, the presence of contemporary the Academy of Arts, because it is also an Meni to ne da da idem dalje. Ovim radom artists and art in general in all other issue that concerns the city and the state.” želim da redizajniram stvari. media, on TV and on the Internet is vital because this is how we can present our Together with your students, you have U kom pravcu bi voleo da se razvijaju te ideas of contemporary sculpture to a wider also designed and implemented a project zvučne instalacije? audience.” called Skulptura i instalacija (Sculpture and Installation) in Novi Sad. - Vizuelno je to manje-više to, ali bih želeo In general, all participants of the From Noise da kompozitor bez problema može da na- to Sound project noticed a striking contrast “The tendentious name is deliberate. I pravi dužu i bolju kompoziciju za njih, a onda between weapons as a destructive force wanted the project to be noticed. And it was i da drugi muzičari požele na njima da svira- and sound installations as constructive quite noticed indeed. I was working with ju. Pored toga što bih voleo da se dovedu na objects made of them. How important is students for several years and I felt that they što viši muzički nivo, želeo bih da putuju po that relationship to you? lacked exactly that access to public space zemljama iz okruženja. Pošto smo bili u ratu which removes them from the comfort zone sa komšijama, mislim da bi to na neki način “It is very important. These objects are made of a studio. They placed sculptures and zaokružilo čitavu priču i istovremeno stavilo of weapons because this is the context by installations at various locations in the city – tačku na nju. which Serbia has been well-known outside to be more precise – once this was done in its borders. Unfortunately, we are not Gradić in Petrovaradin and twice in the park Dragana Garić Jovičić recognized for our art but for the war that between the Museum of Contemporary Art has been fought here. That is why these and the Museum of Vojvodina. We wanted sound objects are used to present a different to draw attention to these young artists context. I wanted to translate items from

26 27 military waste – from noise to sound, that is, from a helmet and bombs into a usable item that could still create sound. This country is recognized for its music and wars. I wanted this to be visible in this project. Ultimately, this is something we grew up with and, unfortunately, what we still live in. That constant presence of a potential war which is holding us on standby when it comes to our neighbors still keeps us in that atmosphere. It stops me from moving on. With this work, I want to redesign things.”

In what direction would you like these sound installations to develop further?

“Visually, this is more or less it, but I would like the composer to be able to make a longer and better composition for them without any problems, and then have other musicians as well who would want to play on them. In addition, I would like to bring them on as high level as musically possible; I would love to see them travel around the countries in the region. Considering the war with our neighbors in the past, it would, I think, somehow round up the whole story and at the same time put an end to it.”

Dragana Garić Jovičić

29 Zvučni objekat u nastajanju / A sound object in the making Filip Jurkovič Politicians is an Assistant Professor at will Never the Academy of Arts in the Slovak town Understand of Banská Bystrica. In Public addition to his academic work, Space! this versatile young artist has experience in doing sculptures, installations, performances, video and photography work.

What is your impression of Novi Sad public space?

“I believe this space is the same in all countries with communist past. It seems as though politicians somehow feel that Filip Jurkovič city squares is space just for them. They je docent na Političari rape public space and violently inscribe Akademiji their political motives in the common good umetnosti u nikada of all citizens. The only solution of this slovačkom problem, although not the only one is to gradu Banska neće take it away from them! Politicians will never Bistrica. Osim understand public space! They use it as a akademskog razumeti tool for their propaganda! You have this new rada ovaj sculpture of the king, which is fine, but, for svestrani mladi javni heavens’ sake, twenty years ago you had umetnik se bavi a war in this region, and there is no sign of skulpturom, prostor! it. No reflection on that within the public instalacijom, space. And it really doesn’t matter that performansom, the concept of such a historical sculpture videom i fotografijom. is outdated, but that history is repeating itself. Nationalism is flourishing and that’s Kako ti se čine javni prostori Novog Sada? what scares me. There would have to be a mausoleum or a memorial testifying that - Verujem da je ovaj prostor isti u svim ze- there was a war in this region. So it never Filip Jurkovič mljama sa komunističkom prošlošću. Čini repeats again. Public space should promote se kao da političari nekako imaju osećaj da peace.”

33 past. It is okay for a small part of the public space to be dedicated to the ancient history, Ne može džabe but it is my opinion that city squares should ni da se gori! reflect the present times we live in.”

- Snimali smo video rad i trebalo Are there any funds in Slovakia which je da neko gori u prometnom artists can apply for to turn their ideas into delu grada. To je bilo veoma real sculpture? opasno. Ako uradiš bilo šta pogrešno, možeš da umreš. “Yes, they used to exist until this year Veliki deo moga tela je goreo. when politicians simply decided to abolish Oko 70 procenata. I dalje imam them. They realized that art would never opekotine po nogama. Ljudi koji be on their side. Some artists will always su mi pomagali su profesional- criticize the society in which they live in. And ci, ali i pored toga jedan od njih politicians hate it when someone criticizes je umro dok je izvodio isti per- them. The people who run our country are formans nekoliko dana ranije. very greedy and stupid, and those who Samo je napravio pogrešan decide on culture are no better.” pokret. Udahnuo je vatru i bubrezi su mu otkazali. To su mi You mentioned one striking action in art. rekli pet minuta pre mog nastu- When Lenin’s bust was removed, one pa i prestrašio sam se. Najinten- Slovak artist made a large scab in bronze zivnije iskustvo koje sam imao. and placed it on a pedestal instead of the su gradski trgovi prostori samo za njih. Oni Predavanje Filipa Jurkoviča, sculpture. docenta iz Slovačke / I uradio bih to ponovo. No, da siluju javni prostor i nasilno upisuju svoje Lecture by Filip Jurkovič, bih dobio dozvolu da snimimo političke motive u zajedničko dobro svih Assistant Professor from Slovakia kako gorim u javnosti morao “Yes, when we cut ourselves, the blood građana. Jedino rešenje ovog problema, ali sam da platim parče papira oko begins to dry and the wound heals – only in baš jedino: da im ga oduzmemo! Političari ni- tri hiljade evra, tako da je pitanje this case the scab is what we are left with kada neće razumeti javni prostor! Koriste ga You mentioned the sculpture The King of All da li ću to ponovo raditi - priča after totalitarian regimes. But the wound kao oruđe za svoju propagandu! Vi imate tu Slovaks, which as soon as it was erected Jurkovič. is still there. We haven’t healed. However, novu skulpturu kralja, što je u redu, ali pobo- caused controversy in the public which led the sculpture was removed because gu pre dvadeset godina ste imali rat na ovim to protests. What was so controversial? people did not like it. It wasn’t pretty, and prostorima, a nema ni traga o tome. Nikakve they didn’t understand it. It was removed refleksije o tome unutar javnog prostora. I “It is the question of nationalism bordering and, unfortunately, the whole project was nije bitno samo što je zastareo koncept ta- with fascism. The sign that was obviously Pomenuo si skulpturu Kralj svih Slovaka stopped. It was ugly and it was sincere. kve istorijske skulpture, već to što se istorija the most problematic one was removed koja je čim je postavljena izazvala kontro- That’s why people didn’t like it. It didn’t ponavlja. Nacionalizam cveta i to je ono što after the protest, but it is absurd that the verze u društvu i dovela do protesta. Šta je look artsy to most of the people. For them, me plaši. Morao bi da postoji neki mauzolej sculpture remained where it was. It was just bilo sporno? only a king on a horse represents art. But ili memorijal da svedoči da je na ovim pro- a small sign on the sculpture, but the whole they do not even have the opportunity to storima bio rat. Da se nikad ne ponovi. Javni sculpture should have been removed. Today be surrounded by contemporary art. Most prostor treba da promoviše mir. there is no need for kings from the ancient people have never seen any contemporary

34 35 - Pitanje nacionalizma koji prelazi u fašizam. Znak koji je bio najočiglednije problematičan je uklonjen posle protesta, ali je apsurd što You can’t even je skulptura ostala. To je samo mali znak na set yourself on fire skulpturi, ali je trebalo da se ona cela ukloni. Danas nema potrebe za kraljevima iz davne for free! prošlosti. U redu je da jedan mali deo javnih “We were recording a video prostora bude posvećen toj pradavnoj isto- and we needed someone riji, ali moje je mišljenje da bi gradski trgovi who will set himself on fire trebalo da oslikavaju sadašnjost u kojoj in a busy part of the town. živimo. That was very dangerous. If you do one thing wrong, you Da li u Slovačkoj postoje neki fondovi gde can die. A large part of my umetnik može da konkuriše za sredstva da body was on fire, about 70 realizuje neku skulptoralnu zamisao? per cent. I still have burnings on my legs. The people who - Da, postojali su do ove godine, kada su po- helped me were professionals, litičari rešili da ih jednostavno ukinu. Shvatili but, regardless of that, one su da umetnost nikad neće biti na njihovoj of them died while doing the strani. Neki umetnici će uvek kritikovati same act a few days earlier. društvo u kome žive. A političari mrze kada He simply made the wrong ih neko kritikuje. Ljudi koji vode našu zemlju move. He breathed in the su jako pohlepni i glupi, a ništa bolji nisu ni Muzički performans umetnika iz Slovačke, fire and his kidneys failed. na konju umetnost. Ali ni nemaju priliku da oni koji odlučuju o kulturi. Martina Piska na centralnom They told me that 5 minutes budu okruženi savremenom umetnošću. novosadskom trgu / before my performance and Većina ljudi nije nikada videla neko savreme- Music performance by Slovak artist Spomenuo si jednu upečatljivu umetničku I freaked out. It is the most no umetničko delo. Ne misle da umetnost Martin Pisko in the centre of Novi Sad akciju. Kada su sklonili Lenjinovu bistu, intense experience I have treba da oslikava sadašnjost, čemu je krivo jedan slovački umetnik je izlio veliku krastu ever had. But I would do it i umetničko obrazovanje koje je stalo tamo u bronzi i postavio je na postament umesto artwork. They don’t think that art should again. However, in order to šezdesetih ili sedamdesetih godina prošlog skulpture. veka. Za njih je umetnost dekoracija i ništa reflect the present, and for this we should get the permission to have me blame art education which has practically recorded while setting myself više od toga. - Da da, kao kad se posečemo pa krv počne been non-existent since the sixties and on fire, I had to pay for a piece da zarasta i suši se, samo je u ovom slučaju seventies. They see art as decoration and of paper that cost me about Misliš li da umetnost može da menja druš- ta krasta ono što ostaje posle totalitarnih nothing else.” three thousand Euros, so the tvo? režima. Ali rana je i dalje tamo. Nismo izleče- question is whether I would do ni. Ali ta skulptura je sklonjena jer se ljudima Do you think art can change society? it again,” Jurkovič said. - Voleo bih da verujem u to, ali iskreno: ne. nije sviđala. Nije bila lepa, a nisu je razume- li. Sklonjena je i čitav projekat je nažalost Dragana Garić Jovičić “I wish I could believe that, but, honestly, no.” stopiran. Bila je ružna i bila je istinita. Zato se ljudima nije svidela. Za većinu ljudi nije Dragana Garić Jovičić izgledala kao umetnost. Za njih je samo kralj

36 37 Violončelistkinja Milica Svirac nastupa na zvučnom objektu / Milica Svirac, a cellist, performs on a sound object Peter Pool Valiská-Timečko is an Assistant Restored Professor at the Academy Thanks of Arts in Banská Bystrica, to Art Slovakia. He is intensively Installation involved into installation practice, performance as well as action graphics.5 In addition to all this, he also makes time to organize exhibitions, including an art festival called Interventions. In addition to many of the negative aspects of public space in

Peter Slovak Red Square Vališka- Zahvaljući Timečko je “During the transition period docent na umetničkoj one wealthy businessman Akademiji bought a state-owned hotel and umetnosti instalaciji with it somehow he also got a u Banskoj smaller square. Since nothing Bistrici u obnovljen had been happening since that Slovačkoj. privatisation in 1989, I decided Intenzivno to paint it red and call it ‘The Red se bavi bazen Square’. In the middle of that instala- square was a fountain from which cijom, performansom, kao i akcionom grafi- I made a clock symbolically kom.5 Pored svega toga, stiže i da organizuje showing that time had stopped izložbe, kao i umetnički festival pod nazi- in that square. Later on, we also vom Intervencije. Pored mnogih negativnih held a music performance at the strana javnih prostora u Slovačkoj o kojima clock site to commemorate the je pričao njegov kolega Filip Jurkovič, naš victims of totalitarian regimes,” sagovornnik se u predstavljaju savremenih Peter Valiská-Timečko said. Peter Vališka-Timečko / kretanja u slovačkoj skulpturi odlučio za Peter Valiská-Timečko prikaz one pozitivnije strane.

41 Slovakia, which his colleague Filip Jurkovič pejzažu i bavi se percepcijom posmatrača. “It is very interesting. I like the parallels spoke about, this artist decided to present Na njoj vidimo predeo koji je uokviren insta- between rifles and instruments the most. It Slovački Crveni trg the more positive side of contemporary lacijom, kao da smo i sami deo neke slike. may also be associated to your history.” developments in Slovak sculpture. Tu možete da osetite širinu prostora, da - Tokom perioda tranzicije jedan udahnete svež vazduh ili prosto da razmis- In your opinion, can art change society? bogati biznismen je kupio hotel Our conversation was in Slovak and was lite na miru. Ova instalaciija privlači mnogo koji je bio u državnom vlas- translated by a student, Martin Pisko, also turista. Takođe jedan umetnik koji je i plani- “At first I thought it could not but when ništvu, a sa njim mu je nekako from Banská Bystrica, who plays the drums nar, postavlja skulpture od drveta na visoke things started to change after one project slučajno pripao i manji trg. Od and percussion and who also performed planinske vrhove i onda snima kako vreme- te privatizacije iz 1989. godine together with other musicians from Novi nom one menjaju svoj lični opis. To je u stva- tu se ništa ne događa, pa sam Sad and Poznań at the opening of the ri umetničko delo u nastajanju ili procesna odlučio da ga obojim u crveno exhibition From Noise to Sound. umetnost – priča Peter. i da ga nazovem Crveni trg. Na sredini tog trga je bila fontana. “Slovakia has an alternative art scene which Kakvi su tvoji utisci o projektu From Noise Od nje sam napravio sat, koji is being developed in smaller communities, to Sound? simbolično pokazuje da je tu na often in villages, rather than in large cities. tom trgu vreme stalo. Posle smo Likewise, I am in charge of a smaller gallery - Vrlo je zanimljiv. Najviše mi se sviđa parale- na tom satu održali i muzički that once was a stable. There are many la između pušaka i instrumenata. Možda je performans u spomen na žrtve smaller communities, sometimes rural ones to i asocijacija na vašu istoriju. totalitarnih režima - priča Peter within which artists are trying to change Vališka-Timečko. something, although, naturally, they lack Da li je po tebi umetnost može da menja the financial support. But there is a lot of društvo? enthusiasm. For example, there is one large installation quite far from urban environment - Prvo sam mislio da ne može, ali kada su se set in a beautiful landscape which deals posle jednog projekta pokrenule stvari shva- Naš razgovor sa slovačkog prevodio je stu- with the perception of the observer. It allows tio sam da može. To je bio jedan od meni dent Martin Pisko, takođe iz Banske Bistrice, us to see a landscape framed with an najbitnijih projekata. U pitanju je bila pro- Masked sculptures koji svira bubnjeve i perkusije, te je za otva- installation in such a way that we become storna instalacija na balkonu nekadašnjeg “Together with one colleague ranje izložbe From Noise to Sound nastupio a part of this image ourselves. It allows you sportskog centra. Monumentalna paukova I made interventions on sa muzičarima iz Novog Sada i Poznanja. to feel how wide the space is, to breathe mreža od sigurnosne trake koja se prostirala in the fresh air or just think in peace. This od balkona zgrade do njenog krova. Bila je the existing sculptures in public space. On some of the - U Slovačkoj postoji alternativna umetnička installation attracts many tourists. There to kritika društva koje je zapustilo bazen za sculptures we simply put masks scena koja se razvija u manjim sredinama, is an artist, also a mountain climber who plivanje. Na ovaj način smo uspeli da skre- on their heads while we rotated često i u selima, pre nego u velikim gradovi- places wood sculptures on high mountain nemo pažnju javnosti i medija na problem the others for 180 degrees and ma. Tako ja uređujem jednu manju galeriju, tops and then records how they change their lokalne zajednice. Potom je usledila peticija then watched the reaction of koja je nekad bila konjušnica. Ima mnogo features over time. It’s actually the artwork u kojoj je traženo da se pokrene rekonstruk- people who seemed to have manjih sredina, nekad ruralnih, u kojima in the process or process art,” Peter said. cija ovog prostora. Tako je zahvaljući umet- really seen the sculptures they umetnici pokušavaju nešto da promene, iako ničkoj instalaciji obnovljen bazen! Tada da pass by every day for the first naravno finansijske podrške nedostaje, ali What is your impression of the project From sam shvatio da umetnost može da promeni time,” the artist said. entuzijazma ima. Tako se jedna velika insta- Noise to Sound? neke stvari u društvu. lacija nalazi daleko od urbanog, u prelepom

42 43 I realized it could. It was one of my most Fusnote / Footnotes important projects and it represented Maskirane skulpture a space installation on the balcony of a former sports centre: an enormous spider - Sa jednim kolegom sam pravio web from a safety tape that stretched 5 / Akciona grafika je termin koji koristi sam umetnik 5 / Action graphics is a term used by the artist to intervencije na već postojećim from the balcony of the building to its za grafiku nastalu otiskivanjem na papir sa ogrom- denote the graphics created by printing on paper skulpturama u javnom prostoru. roof. It represented a criticism of society nih drvenih ploča koje je pre toga izdubio motornom from huge wooden boards that had been previously Nekima smo samo stavili maske which had left the swimming pool to ruin. testerom. carved with a chainsaw. na glavu, a druge smo rotirali This way, we were able to draw public and za 180 stepeni i potom posma- media attention to the problem of a local trali ljude koji su čini se po prvi community. This was followed by a petition put obratili pažnju na skulpture from the public demanding to start the pored kojih prolaze svakog dana reconstruction of the area. So, the pool was - kaže ovaj umetnik od akcije. restored thanks to an art installation! And then I realized that art can change certain things in the society.”

You mentioned that you organize an art Spomenuo si da organizuješ umetnički fe- festival in a large park in your hometown. stival u velikom parku koja se nalazi u tvom How do people who are normally rodnom mestu. Kako ljudi nenaviknuti na unaccustomed to contemporary art savremenu umetnost reaguju na te instala- respond to these installations? cije? “They are often shocked at first, but of - Često su isprva šokirani, ali naravno tu je course there is always an explanation of uvek i objašnjenje šta bi te instalacije trebalo what those installations should represent, da predstavljaju, tako da na kraju uglavnom so, in the end, they generally respond pozitivno reaguju. Ove godine će se održati positively. This year in August we will šesti festival Intervencije. Ovaj hepening se organise the sixth festival of Interventions. održava u najvećem parku u Slovačkoj a This event takes place in the largest park nesvakidašnje je da se park nalazi u samom in Slovakia, and what is unusual is that the gradu. Unutar ovog parka koji je je nalik na park is located in the city itself. Within this šumu, umetnici sami pronalaze mesto na forest-like park, the artists themselves find kojem je prema njihovom viđenju najbolje a place where they think is the best place to da izlože svoje radove. Posetioci tako mogu exhibit their work. Visitors can thus see the da vide radove pod vedrim nebom, u prirodi. works in the open sky, in nature. There are Bude i svetlosnih instalacija, pa ambijent also light installations and the environment doprinosi da budu potpuno jedinstvene. contributes to their uniqueness.” Milica Svirac i Željko Škrbić na probi / Dragana Garić Jovičić Dragana Garić Jovičić Milica Svirac and Željko Škrbić at rehearsal

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Tomasz Drewics Public is an artist, curator and a Space Is Professor at the renowned Constantly University of Arts in Poznań. He under points out that he is delighted Attack that the squares in Novi Sad are full of people, because it seems to him that Polish people still cannot get rid of the legacy of communism when it was forbidden to gather in public places.

You have mentioned that in a work of art, interaction plays an important role for you. Tomaš Drevič (Tomasz Javni “Yes, I have worked as a performer. Actually, Drewicz) I want to think that my projects are events. je umetnik, prostor je I try not only to create a work of art, but to kustos i create an event around it. It is important profesor na stalno na to me that art is seen as the exchange of poznanjskom ideas. It is a kind of a refuge. If we could Univerzitetu udaru think about abstract ideas before they umetnosti. happen, we could also prevent them from Ističe da je becoming a real problem. Art can be a safe oduševljen činjenicom da su novosadski zone and offer a refuge as well as a dialogue trgovi puni ljudi, jer mu se čini da Poljaci on burning social issues.” još uvek ne mogu da se oslobode nasleđa komunizma kada je bilo zabranjeno In the book of interviews you did with okupljanje na javnim mestima. Polish artists, one sentence stuck out. It is a statement of one of the protagonists of Spomenuo si da ti je u umetničkom radu Poznań art scene who said: public space is jako bitna interakcija. a war zone. Do you share his opinion?

- Da jeste, radio sam kao performer. U “We are talking about a lovely couple who stvari želim da mislim da su moji projekti own a gallery with a rebellious approach Tomaš Drevič / – događaji. Trudim se ne samo da stvorim to art. They are involved in political topics Tomasz Drewicz

49 umetničko delo, već da stvorim događanje da je to njihov stav a ja se slažem sa njim. Poland, most notably the sculptures of oko njega. Važno mi je da umetnost bude Javni prostor je stalno na udaru mnogih sna- Pope John II. Does this mean that this type na nivou razmene ideja. Kao neko utočište. The creation of ga. Na primer mi kao umetnici želimo pro- of sculpture is now booming? Kada bismo mogli da o apstraktnim idejama sculpture is not some stor za skulpturu ili instalaciju, ali ljudi isto- razmišljamo pre nego što se dese, mogli vremeno žele i zelene površine, mesto gde “Poland is quiet divided. One part of the bismo i da predupredimo da one ne postanu kind of black magic! bi njihova deca mogla da se igraju. Imamo people, mostly those who live in cities do stvarni problem. Umetnost može da bude manjak javnog prostora, a zajednički je tako not care much for tradition and religion, and Tomasz Drewics has listed sigurna zona i da nudi utočište, kao i dijalog da moramo da se borimo za njega. Nisam tradition and religion are quite connected in several festivals as examples of o gorućim društvenim pitanjima. borben kao taj par, pacifista sam u duši, ali Poland, while people in the villages are very good artistic practice in Poland: ipak delim njihovo mišljenje. religious. There is a conflict between the among others Pigmalion Brigade in U knjizi intervjua koje si pravio sa poljskim two groups, but each is entitled to express Poznań: “During this festival umetnicima jedna rečenica mi se urezala u U svom predavanju si izneo primere novijih their own feelings. I have only shown some the audience can follow the sećanje. U pitanju je tvrdnja jednog od pro- religioznih skulptura širom Poljske, pre sve- examples of religious sculptures that are creation of figurative sculpture at tagonista poznanjske umetničke scene koji ga skulptura pape Jovana II. Da li to znači more like caricatures and are ugly, even the Department of Sculpture of kaže: Javni prostor je zona ratnih događanja. da ovaj vid skulpture doživljava procvat? offensive.” University of Arts in Poznań. At Da li deliš to mišljenje? these educational performances - Poljska je jako podeljena. Jedan deo ljudi, You have also mentioned a kind of the audience can hear a professor - U pitanju je jedan divan par koji drži galeriju pretežno oni koji žive u gradovima, ne mare incentive that is offered to contemporary hurrying students: ‘Faster with i koji zastupa buntovni pristup umetnosti. mnogo za tradiciju, a religija i tradicija su artists for the realization of some projects this head, Marianna!’ or ‘Peter, go Oni su uključeni u političke teme i dižu svoj jako blizu u Poljskoj, dok su ljudi u selima by the state. on, you have the left leg!’ That glas protiv mnogih društvenih pitanja. Tako veoma religiozni. Postoji konflikt između way visitors can see that creation ove dve grupe, ali svako ima pravo na svoja “This kind of privilege was established of a sculpture is not some kind of osećanja. Pokazao sam samo neke primere in Warsaw in the nineteenth century and black magic,” the artist explained. Predavanje Tomaša Dreviča / religiozne skulpture, koji su više karikaturalni was named after the Zachęta National Lecture by Tomasz Drewicz i ružni, čak uvredljivi. Gallery of Art. That was when the idea of helping artists was born, and then Pomenuo si i jednu vrstu podsticaja koji in 2004 the Ministry of Culture decided and they raise their voice against many država daje savremenim umetnicima za to establish regional departments for social issues. So, this is their opinion, and realizaciju nekih projekata. this type of incentive. There are 13 such I agree with it. Public space is constantly being hit by many forces. For example, we as artists want the space for sculptures or installations, but at the same time, people want green spaces, a place where their Rađanje skulpture nije neka crna magija! children can play. We have a shortage of public space, and it is our common area so Kao primere dobre umetničke prakse u Poljskoj Tomaš Drevič je naveo neko- we have to fight for it. I’m not feisty like that liko umetničkih festivala. Između ostalih Pigmalion Brigade u Poznanju. Tokom couple, I’m a pacifist at heart, but I still share njegovog trajanja publika može pratiti nastanak figurativne skulpture na De- their opinion.” partmanu za skulpturu poznanjske umetničke akademije. Na tim edukativnim performansima publika može da čuje profesora kako požuruje studente: - Brže, In your lecture you presented examples Marijana, sa glavom! Petre, kreći tvoja je leva noga! Tako posetioci mogu da vide of recent religious sculptures throughout da rađanje skulpture nije neka crna magija – objašnjava ovaj umetnik.

50 51 - Ta vrsta privilegije je ustanovljena još u de- regions in Poland. And that is crucial. The Šta misliš o projektu From Noise to Sound? vetnaestom veku u Varšavi i dobila je ime po decentralization. And to keep people in their nacionalnoj galeriji Zacheta. Još tada se rodi- environment. So each region has its own - Mislim da je odlična ideja da se razgovara i The young shall la ideja da se pomogne umetnicima, a onda people who propose art projects and who da je jako dobro što smo se okupili iz zema- inherit the earth je 2004. Ministarstvo kulture odlučilo da se are trying to raise money from sponsors lja sa sličnim nasleđem komunizma. Što se ustanove regionalni departmani za ovu vrstu for their realization. Of course, this is not tiče same zvučne instalacije, za mene bi lič- “I don’t know what the situation podsticaja. Tih regija u Poljskoj ima trinaest. easy but if they collect it then the state no bilo još zanimljivije da se razmišlja samo is here, but in Poland my I to je ključno. Baš ta decentralizacija. I to da has an obligation to give them the same na temu šlema. Ako šlem ima svoj zvuk, ne generation has a chance to ljudi ostanu u svojim sredinama. Znači svaki amount. For example, if they manage to raise vidim zašto bi od njega pravili gitaru jer onda change something. Now we are region ima svoje ljude koji predlažu umet- one hundred thousand Euros, the Polish ponovo funkcioniše kao gitara. Ja bih išao being asked about certain things ničke projekte i koji pokušavaju da prikupe government should provide just as much.” dublje u smisao ovog predmeta i njegove in society and we have a chance novac od sponzora za njihovu realizaciju. To namene. Ako ima nečega intresantnog u to decide. Of course, both the naravno nije lako, ali ako ga prikupe, onda What do you think about the project From postratnim predmetima, kao što su puške i younger and the older have the i država ima obavezu da da još toliko. Na Noise to Sound? pištolji, za mene bi to bilo traganje za auten- right to vote, but now we have the primer, ako uspeju da skupe sto hiljada evra, tičnim zvukom unutar njih samih. Ja bih se power to change the environment. poljska vlada treba da obezbedi još toliko. “I think it is a great idea to talk about the na to fokusirao. We want changes, unlike the issues and it is very good that we all come generation of my parents who from countries with a similar communist I sam si dovodio u vezu skulpturu i zvuk. got tired of that. They had to heritage. As for the sound installation itself, fight to transform of the country for me personally, it would be even more - Da, imao sam jedan projekat gde sam after the fall of communism. My Na mlađima interesting to think only of the topic of helmet Šopenovu muziku inkorporirao u instalaci- svet ostaje generation has a much more for example. If a helmet has its own sound, ju. Ako bi nekog pitali za Poljsku, mislim da positive view of things and is not I don’t see why we should make a guitar out bi asocijacije bile: papa Jovan II i Frederik afraid to perform together for the - Ne znam kako je ovde, ali u of it because then it functions as a guitar. I Šopen. Ja sam razmišljao kako bi se on common good,” Tomasz says. Poljskoj moja generacija ima would deeper investigate the meaning of this osećao u vezi sa tim, pa sam pomislio da bi šansu da nešto promeni. Sada se object and its purpose. If there is something možda bio malo i ljut, jer ne marimo za su- pitamo za neke stvari u društvu intriguing about post-war objects, such as štinu njegovih dela. Instalaciju sam postavio i imamo šansu da odlučujemo. rifles and pistols, for me it would be the u apsurdno okruženje u stari frižider koji je Naravno, i mlađi i stariji imaju investigation of the authentic sound within na otvorenom pored kamenih skulptura što because we don’t care about the essence pravo glasa, ali mi sad imamo them. That would be my starting point.” doprinosi nadrealnom efektu. Šopenova mu- of his works. I placed the installation in an moć da menjamo okruženje. Mi zika počinje samo kad se otvori frižider u ko- absurd environment: in an old fridge put želimo promene, za raziku od You have also dealt with the relationship of jem se nalaze kompozitorovi prsti od gipsa u outside next to stone sculptures, which generacije mojih roditelja koji su sculpture and sound yourself. gestu besa ili pobune. Njegova kompozicija adds up to the surreal effect. Chopin’s music se umorili. Oni su morali da se se na taj način meša sa zujanjem frižidera i begins only when the fridge is opened also bore sa transformacijom zemlje “Yes, I had one project where I incorporated u stvari se pravi buka. Tako Šopenova muzi- showing the composer’s fingers made of posle pada komunizma. Moja Chopin’s music into an installation. If you ka postaje nečujna na apsurdan način. plaster and presented in a gesture of anger generacija ima mnogo pozitivnije were to ask anyone what their associations or rebellion. His composition thus mixes gledište na stvari i ne boji se da of Poland are, I think the answer would be: Dragana Garić Jovičić with the hum of the fridge and makes a real nastupi zajedno za opšte dobro Pope John II and Frederic Chopin. I was noise. So Chopin’s music becomes silent in – priča Tomaš. trying to imagine how he would feel about an absurd kind of way.” it so I thought he might be a little angry Dragana Garić Jovičić

52 53 Milica Svirac nastupa na otvorenom / Milica Svirac performs in the open Dr Ania England is a Kitsch creative researcher, writer and artist from is on Poznań interested in camp and kitsch in art. the Rise During her postdoctoral studies, she came to across Novi Sad and tried to find a camp in Europe the former Yugoslav art scene. She had difficulties both because of the lack of literature on the topic and because of the closed museums in the Serbian capital. She already wanted to give up on the topic when she discovered the personality of Josip Broz Tito!

How did you connect Tito’s personality and Anja Ingland (Ania the concept of camp? England) je spisa- Kič je u teljica i umetnica iz “I set out to research his biography and Poznanja, koja se porastu was completely shocked that I had such bavi istraživanjem a camp icon in front of my nose all along! kempa i kiča u u celoj Then I called a few professors from the umetnosti. U okviru University of Belgrade and told them what postdoktorskih stu- Evropi I had discovered. They were interested in dija došla je u Novi my research because they themselves did Sad i pokušala da not know many of the things I found out. pronađe kemp i kič i na nekadašnjem jugo- I spent a few days in Belgrade wanting to slovenskom umetničkom prostoru. Imala je visit museums, but I was told that they had poteškoće kako zbog nedostatka literature, been closed for years. I especially wanted to tako i zbog zatvorenih muzeja u srpskoj pre- see the work of Dušan Otašević Druže Tito, stonici. Već je htela da odustane od te teme ljubičice bijela (Comrade Tito, the White Violet). kad je otkrila ličnost Maršala Broza Tita u Since I couldn’t see almost anything, I gave kemp ključu! up art and focused on Tito as a communist camp icon.” Kako si povezala Titovu ličnost i pojam kempa? You’re back in Novi Sad.

Anja Ingland / - Počela sam da istražujem njegovu bio- “I love Novi Sad a lot and I love to come Ania England grafiju i bila sam potpuno šokirana kada back. I have spent six great months here,

57 meeting many wonderful people. The project Bizarre Love Triangle. The Public Sculptures of Niko kao Tito Novi Sad was created here in Novi Sad.”

- Nije bilo nijednog diktatora koji You have also researched the je ličio na Tita. Bilo je poznato contemporary architecture and sculpture of da je na putovanja vodio šesna- Skopje. est belih pudlica. Posle sam u Beogradu videla da muškar- “Yes, in the context of the growth of ci šetaju pudlice na povocu i nationalism evident in public monuments pomislila sam da je i to Titov because it can all be defined as kitsch, in uticaj. Tito je bio onaj koji dono- my opinion. It has to do with the national si trend. I na njegovoj sahrani identity crisis as people became confused je bilo mnogo poznatih ličnosti with who they are and where they come iz celog sveta, od prinčeva do from. The same thing is happening in pevača. Bio je to kemp spektakl! Poland. Going back to the distant past of the – objašnjava Anja Ingland. nation, our politicians want to show that we are that special nation, better than others. It’s happening all over Europe. Nationalism flourishes.”

sam shvatila da sam sve vreme imala takvu When you mentioned this part of the ikonu kempa pred nosom! Onda sam zvala Balkans you used the phrase visual trauma. neke profesore sa beogradskog univerziteta What does that really mean? i rekla im šta sam otkrila. I oni su bili zain- teresovani za moja istraživanja jer ni sami “I tried to exemplify the meaning of the term nisu znali za mnoge stvari koje sam pronaš- based on a Basilica dedicated to the Virgin la. Provela sam nekoliko dana u Beogradu Mary situated in Licheń Stary in Poland. This i projekat Bizzare Love Triangle. The Public really a therapy and the trauma of the 1990s želeći da obiđem muzeje, ali su mi objasnili is my new research topic, which I called The Sculptures of Novi Sad o javnoj skulpturi u still exists. The transition has not been da su zatvoreni godinama. Posebno sam Rise of Kitsch, as kitsch is on the rise across Novom Sadu. completed. Today in Poland we have a right- želela da vidim rad Dušana Otaševića Druže Europe. I argue that it actually has a lot to wing political party that has now entered Tito, ljubičice bela. Pošto gotovo ništa nisam do with trauma. In Poland, this trauma is Istraživala si i savremenu arhitekturu i skul- the European Parliament. They represent mogla da vidim, odustala sam od umetnosti linked with transition, with the period when pturu Skoplja. the votes of the people who are still living in i fokusirala sam se na Tita kao komunističku the Communists ended their rule in 1989 transition. I am trying to figure out how to kemp ikonu. and when the country had to transfer from - Da, u kontekstu rastuće pojave nacionaliz- research a topic like this.” communism to capitalism. Those were ma na javnim spomenicima, jer iz mog ugla Ponovo si u Novom Sadu. turbulent times. The 1990s were a shock sve to potpada pod kič. To je povezano sa Your Polish colleague explained to us that therapy because the changes were so rapid krizom identiteta nacije, jer su ljudi postali sculpture in Poland is funded partly from - Mnogo volim Novi Sad i volim da se vra- and looking back, I see that people did not zbunjeni, zaboravili su ko su i odakle dolaze. the private and partly from national funds. tim. Ovde sam provela šest sjajnih meseci, know how to set up a new value system. In Isto se dešava i u Poljskoj. Vraćajući se u Having lived in Britain for a long time, what upoznala mnoge divne ljude. Ovde je nastao fact, as Grzegorz Kołodko argued, it wasn’t daleku prošlost nacije naši političari žele da is the case there with this issue?

58 59 pokažu da smo baš mi posebna nacija bolja pendije i finansira projekte vizuelnih umetno- discussion, especially in these times when od drugih. To se dešava širom Evrope. Cveta sti. U Velikoj Britaniji se takođe deo prihoda public space is taken away from people and nacionalizam. No one like Tito lutrije daje za realizaciju umetničkih proje- given to the monuments of kings or popes.” kata. Ono što je još sjajna stvar u Britaniji je Kada si spomenula ovaj deo Balkana upo- “There was no dictator like Tito. što su muzeji besplatni i uvek su puni. Oni Have you had the opportunity to hear the trebila si sintagmu vizuelna trauma. Šta to It is known that he would take su mesta socijalizacije, ne samo zato što su Nikola Macura’s sound objects? zapravo znači? his sixteen white poodles on izložbe sjajne, već i zato što su besplatne. his travels. Afterwards, I saw in U Poljskoj umetnost nije nešto što zanima “I did, and they made a very strong - Pokušala sam da značenje tog termina Belgrade that men were walking obične ljude, a moraju još i da plate za nešto impression on me. Especially that pokažem na jednoj bazilici posvećenoj Bogo- poodles on a leash and I thought što ih ne zanima. composition for violin which triggered rodici u Lihenj Stariju, u Poznanju. U pitanju that was Tito’s influence too. He my emotions about my first arrival here je moja nova istraživačka tema koju sam was the trendsetter. When he died, Da li smatraš da je ovaj projekat važan? in Serbia. I did not know much about the nazvala Porast kiča, jer kič jeste u porastu at his funeral there were many history of Serbia and I did not find interest u celoj Evropi. Smatram da to u stvari ima celebrities from all over the world - Ovaj projekat je jako važan i nadam se da in it myself back then. But when I came veze sa traumom. U Poljskoj je ta trauma from princes to singers. It was a će ih biti još i da će problemima možda pri- here and heard all the stories from the povezana sa tranzicijom, periodom kada su truly camp spectacle!” stupiti iz drugačijeg ugla. U svakom slučaju, war, I couldn’t believe them! The deeper komunisti pali ’89. i kada je zemlja morala Ania England explained. ovo je veoma aktuelna i urgentna tema za I researched, the sadder I became. So da pređe iz komunizma u kapitalizam. To diskusiju, pogotovo u ovim vremenima kada when I heard Macura’s “violin”, I thought su bila turbulentna vremena. Devedesete se javni prostori oduzimaju ljudima i daju za about the history of this country and how godine prošlog veka su bile šok terapija, jer spomenike nekih kraljeva ili papa. quickly people can go crazy. I am also su promene bile toliko brze. I kad se pogleda very concerned about what is currently unazad ljudi nisu znali kako da uspostave “British have many organizations and Da li si imala prilike da čuješ zvučne objek- happening within the European Union. The novi sistem vrednosti. U stvari, kao što Gže- foundations for the development of art in te Nikole Macure? division, the hatred, it’s all crazy, all over gož Kolodko tvrdi, to nije ni bila terapija, jer general. The largest institution is the Arts again. That’s what I felt when I heard that trauma iz devedesetih i dalje postoji. Tranzi- Council, which provides scholarships and - Jesam, i ostavile su veoma snažan utisak violin.” cija se nije završila. Danas u Poljskoj imamo funds for visual arts projects. And part of the na mene. Pogotovo ona kompozicija za desno orijentisanu političku partiju koja je lottery revenue also goes to the realization violinu, koja mi je pokrenula emocije vezane Dragana Garić Jovičić ušla u evropski parlament. To je glas onih of art projects. What is also great about za moj prvi dolazak ovde, u Srbiju. Nisam ljudi koji i dalje žive u tranziciji. Pokušavam Great Britain is that museums are free and razumela vašu istoriju, a tada nisam poka- da shvatim koji je najbolji način da se bavim always full of visitors. In Poland, art is not zivala interesovanje za nju. Ali kada sam ovom temom. something that interests ordinary people, došla ovde i čula sve priče iz rata nisam plus they must pay for something that they mogla da poverujem! Što sam dublje istraži- Tvoj kolega iz Poljske nam je objasnio da do not care about.” vala to sam bila sve tužnija. Kada sam čula se skulptura u Poljskoj producira delom iz Macurinu violinu, pomislila sam na istoriju privatnih izvora a delom iz budžeta države. Do you think this project is important? ove zemlje i na to kako brzo ljudi mogu da Pošto si dugo živela u Velikoj Britaniji da li polude. Veoma sam zabrinuta i za ono što možda znaš kako je tamo po tom pitanju? “It is very important, and I hope that there se trenutno dešava unutar Evropske unije. will be more of such projects in future and Podela, mržnja, sve je to ludost. To je ono - Britanci imaju mnogo organizacija i fon- that people will start to approach the issues što sam osetila kada sam čula tu violinu. dacija za razvoj umetnosti uopšte. Najveća from a different angle. In any case, this institucija je Umetničko veće koja daje sti- is a very up-to-date and urgent topic for Dragana Garić Jovičić

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Our guests from History Hungary from the Faculty of Music Cannot and Visual Arts, University of Pécs Be Erased were Professor Tamás Gaál and a with an student of sculpture Csilla Berkes. They have presented Eraser! some examples of contemporary sculpture that has been done in the squares of Pécs in recent years.

What are your first impressions of Novi Sad?

Csilla: It’s my first time in Novi Sad and Gosti iz I really like that people use public space. Mađarske sa Istoriju ne Novi Sad seems to be a busy place with Fakulteta mu- streets bustling with life. The sculptures zičkih i vizuel- možemo nih umetnosti Univerziteta u samo Nikola Macura sa Pečuju bili su Galom Tamašom i Čilom Berkeš / nam profesor izbrisati Nikola Macura with Gal Tamaš Tamás Gaál and Csilla Berkes (Tamás Gaál) gumicom i studentkinja vajarstva Čila Berkeš (Berkes Csilla). Oni su predstavili neke primere savremene skulpture koja je realizovana proteklih godina na pečujskim trgovima.

Kakvi su vaši prvi utisci o Novom Sadu?

Čila: Prvi put sam u Novom Sadu i veoma mi se sviđa što ljudi koriste javni prostor. Tamaš Gal / Novi Sad ostavlja utisak užurbanog grada, Tamás Gaál punog života. Skulpture koje se nalaze na

65 we saw in Novi Sad squares resemble the ones in Pécs representing public figures, writers, composers, politicians, but there are more examples of abstract and modern sculptures in my country.

Do you think that From Noise to Sound project is purposeful?

Csilla: Yes I really like the idea of this project. Not long ago there was a war in this region, so the sound installations of Nikola Macura are very up-to-date as they give a different meaning to rifles and helmets. This way they become less intimidating. I am a student of sculpture and I don’t know how to play a music instrument, but I enjoyed that I could try them out.

The heritage of social realism is Čila Berkeš / characteristic of all countries that the Csilla Berkes participants of this project come from. At the lectures we heard that the social realist sculpture has almost disappeared in some countries. What is the case in Hungary? novosadskim trgovima nalikuju na one koje prikazuju javne ličnosti, pisce, kompozitore, Gaál: In Hungary these sculptures have političare u Pečuju, samo što kod nas ima mostly managed to survive. They were više apstraktne i moderne skulpture. collected from different cities and brought to one park close to Budapest, so you can Da li misliš da je projekat From Noise to see them there as if they were in an open-air Sound koristan? gallery. Čila: Da veoma mi se sviđa ideja ovog pro- Csilla: These sculptures carry unpleasant jekta. Na ovim prostorima se ne tako davno messages, but they still represent our desio rat, tako da je zvučna instalacija Nikole history and are a significant part our art Macure veoma aktuelna jer daje drugo zna- history too. And history cannot be erased čenje puškama i šlemovima. Na ovaj način with an eraser. postaju manje zastrašujuće. Ja studiram vajarstvo i ne znam da sviram, ali sam bila One of the interesting phenomena in the veoma srećna kada sam dobila priliku da political life of Hungary is Hungarian isprobam ove instrumente.

66 Čila: Te skulpture nose ružne poruke, ali one Csilla: They operate in cities all over su i dalje naša istorija i takođe predstavljaju Hungary and people can join their activities, važan deo naše istorije umetnosti, a istoriju but not every city council welcomes their ne možemo samo izbrisati gumicom. movement. Once they painted cracked sidewalks with bright colours and the Jedna od intresantnih pojava u političkom council had the paint removed. The životu Mađarske je MKKP (Hungarian Two-tailed Dog Party reacted in a way Two-tailed Dog Party - Mađarska partija very typical for them and repainted the dvorepog psa). Sve je počelo kao šala, ali je area in black and white, so the council is od 2014. stvarna partija, a koliko sam shva- not bothered by the bright colours. They tila i savest Mađarske. Većina akcija im je also repaired holes in the asphalt, and city vezana za javne prostore, trgove i ulice. leaders demanded they restore them into Prave instalacije i crtaju grafite. Da li im se their previous condition before repairs. Or pridružuju obični ljudi? they made a multi-coloured bus station and then the city pulled it all down the next day. Čila: Oni deluju u svakom gradu Mađarske i ljudi mogu da im se pridruže, ali ipak nisu Are there any national funds in Hungary omiljena stranka u društvu. Prave šarene available for artists where they can mozaike od propalih trotoara, pa se ljudi propose a project and make the sculpture bune. Kome smetaju boje!? Ili poprave rupe they want? u asfaltu, pa gradski čelnici traže da se vrati stanje pre popravki. Ili naprave raznobojnu Gaál: There was a foundation like that, autobusku stanicu, a onda je grad razmonti- but it was canceled by the government. ra. And now there is something like a national scholarship, but it is not like as it used to Da li postoje neka sredstva na nivou ma- be when the previous foundation was still đarske države za koja umetnici mogu da active. It funded much more progressive Nasleđe socijalnog realizma je karakteri- Predavanje mađarskih umetnika konkurišu da bi napravili skulpturu kakvu and modern sculptures. There are many stično za sve zemlje iz kojih dolaze uče- Gala Tamaša i Čile Berkeš / žele? contemporary sculptures in Pécs and they Lecture by Hungarian artists were mostly created during the time of this snici ovog projekta. Na predavanjima smo Gaál Tamás and Csilla Berkes čuli da je socrealistička skulptura u nekim Gal: Postojala je fondacija, ali su je ukinuli foundation. zemljama gotovo uništena. Kakav je slučaj političari. I sad postoji nešto kao stipendija u Mađarskoj? iz budžeta države, ali ne kao nekada, kada je Dragana Garić Jovičić Two-tailed Dog Party (MKKP). It all started funkcionisala ta fondacija iz koje su odobra- as a joke but since 2014 they became a Gal: Te skulpture su u Mađarskoj uglavnom vali mnogo progresivnije i modernije skulptu- real party, and as far as I understand, in a preživele. Sakupljene su iz raznih gradova re. U Pečuju ima dosta savremenih skulptura way they represent Hungarian conscience. u jedan park u okolini Budimpešte, tako da i one su uglavnom nastale dok je radila ta Most of their actions are related to public ih tamo možete videti kao u nekoj galeriji fondacija. space, squares and streets. They make na otvorenom. Jedan Austrijanac je posetio installations and draw graffiti. Do ordinary taj Park skulptura i čak odlučio da kupi neke, Dragana Garić Jovičić people join them? mislim Lenjina.

68 69 Marijana Drozdovska / Marianna Drozdowska Impresum / Impressum

Izdavač: Publisher: Univezitet u Novom Sadu University of Novi Sad Akademija umetnosti Academy of Arts Đure Jakšića 7, Novi Sad, Srbija Đure Jakšića 7, Novi Sad, Serbia akademija.uns.ac.rs akademija.uns.ac.rs Ovaj projekat finansiraju vlade This project is co-financed by the Governments Za izdavača: For publisher: Češke, Mađarske, Poljske i Slovačke kroz grantove of Czechia, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia through Prof. Siniša Bokan, dekan Prof. Siniša Bokan, Dean Međunarodnog višegradskog fonda. Misija fonda Visegrad Grants from International Visegrad Fund. je unapređivanje ideja putem održive regionalne The mission of the fund is to advance ideas for Urednik izdanja: Editor-in-Chief: saradnje u Centralnoj Evropi. sustainable regional cooperaton in Central Europe. Dragana Garić Jovičić Dragana Garić Jovičić, kustoskinja istoričarka umetnosti curator and art historian fromnoisetosound.com visegradfund.org akademija.uns.ac.rs Grafičko oblikovanje: Graphic design: aku.sk Nikola Berbakov, docent Nikola Berbakov, Assistant Professor uap.edu.pl art.pte.hu Autor tekstova: Author of the texts: Dragana Garić Jovičić Dragana Garić Jovičić

Lektura i korektura tekstova na srpskom jeziku: Proofreading in Serbian: Nataša Panić Nataša Panić

Predgovor: Preface: Bojana Borković Bojana Borković Projektni tim: Project team:

Autori fotografija: Authors of the photos: Nikola Macura, docent Nikola Macura, Assistant Professor Vojin Ivkov Vojin Ivkov koordinator projekta project coordinator Nikola Macura, docent Nikola Macura, Assistant Professor Aleksandar Danguzov, student Aleksandar Danguzov, student Bojana Borković Bojana Borković saradnik na projektu i administrator projekta project assistant and project administrator Prevod: Translation: Bojana Borković Bojana Borković Sonja Jo Sonja Jo saradnik na projektu project assistant Tiraž: 300 Circulation: 300 Ania England Ania England Štampa: Printed by: saradnik na projektu project assistant Futura doo Novi Sad Futura doo Novi Sad Svetlana Putnik Svetlana Putnik Novi Sad, oktobar 2019. Novi Sad, October 2019 finansije project accountant

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