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Minutes of the 25Th Meeting Held at Conference Room 1 of the Legislative Council Complex on Friday, 16 January 2015, at 5:55 Pm 立法會 Legislative Council LC Paper No. FC167/14-15 Ref : FC/1/1(1) Finance Committee of the Legislative Council Minutes of the 25th meeting held at Conference Room 1 of the Legislative Council Complex on Friday, 16 January 2015, at 5:55 pm Members present: Hon Tommy CHEUNG Yu-yan, SBS, JP (Chairman) Hon CHAN Kin-por, BBS, JP (Deputy Chairman) Hon Albert HO Chun-yan Hon LEE Cheuk-yan Hon James TO Kun-sun Hon CHAN Kam-lam, SBS, JP Hon LEUNG Yiu-chung Hon Emily LAU Wai-hing, JP Hon TAM Yiu-chung, GBS, JP Hon Abraham SHEK Lai-him, GBS, JP Hon Frederick FUNG Kin-kee, SBS, JP Hon Vincent FANG Kang, SBS, JP Hon WONG Kwok-hing, BBS, MH Prof Hon Joseph LEE Kok-long, SBS, JP, PhD, RN Hon Jeffrey LAM Kin-fung, GBS, JP Hon WONG Ting-kwong, SBS, JP Hon Cyd HO Sau-lan, JP Hon Starry LEE Wai-king, JP Hon CHAN Hak-kan, JP Dr Hon Priscilla LEUNG Mei-fun, SBS, JP Hon CHEUNG Kwok-che Hon WONG Kwok-kin, SBS Hon IP Kwok-him, GBS, JP Hon Mrs Regina IP LAU Suk-yee, GBS, JP - 2 - Hon Paul TSE Wai-chun, JP Hon Alan LEONG Kah-kit, SC Hon LEUNG Kwok-hung Hon Albert CHAN Wai-yip Hon WONG Yuk-man Hon Claudia MO Hon Michael TIEN Puk-sun, BBS, JP Hon James TIEN Pei-chun, GBS, JP Hon NG Leung-sing, SBS, JP Hon Steven HO Chun-yin Hon Frankie YICK Chi-ming Hon WU Chi-wai, MH Hon YIU Si-wing Hon Gary FAN Kwok-wai Hon Charles Peter MOK, JP Hon CHAN Chi-chuen Hon CHAN Han-pan, JP Dr Hon Kenneth CHAN Ka-lok Hon CHAN Yuen-han, SBS, JP Hon LEUNG Che-cheung, BBS, MH, JP Hon Alice MAK Mei-kuen, JP Dr Hon KWOK Ka-ki Hon KWOK Wai-keung Hon Christopher CHEUNG Wah-fung, SBS, JP Dr Hon Fernando CHEUNG Chiu-hung Hon SIN Chung-kai, SBS, JP Dr Hon Helena WONG Pik-wan Hon IP Kin-yuen Dr Hon Elizabeth QUAT, JP Hon Martin LIAO Cheung-kong, SBS, JP Hon POON Siu-ping, BBS, MH Hon TANG Ka-piu, JP Dr Hon CHIANG Lai-wan, JP Ir Dr Hon LO Wai-kwok, BBS, MH, JP Hon CHUNG Kwok-pan Hon Christopher CHUNG Shu-kun, BBS, MH, JP Hon Tony TSE Wai-chuen, BBS Members absent: Dr Hon LAU Wong-fat, GBM, GBS, JP Hon Andrew LEUNG Kwan-yuen, GBS, JP - 3 - Hon Ronny TONG Ka-wah, SC Dr Hon LAM Tai-fai, SBS, JP Dr Hon LEUNG Ka-lau Hon MA Fung-kwok, SBS, JP Hon Kenneth LEUNG Hon Dennis KWOK Public officers attending: Ms Elizabeth TSE Man-yee, JP Permanent Secretary for Financial Services and the Treasury (Treasury) Ms Esther LEUNG, JP Deputy Secretary for Financial Services and the Treasury (Treasury)1 Mr Alfred ZHI Jian-hong Principal Executive Officer (General), Financial Services and the Treasury Bureau (The Treasury Branch) Mr CHAN Chi-ming, JP Deputy Secretary for Development (Works)2 Mr HON Chi-keung, JP Director of Civil Engineering and Development Mr Edwin TONG Ka-hung, JP Project Manager (Hong Kong Island and Islands), Civil Engineering and Development Department Ms Amy CHEUNG Yi-mei Assistant Director of Planning (Territorial), Planning Department Mr Matthew CHEUNG Kin-chung, Secretary for Labour and Welfare GBS, JP Miss Annie TAM Kam-lan, JP Permanent Secretary for Labour and Welfare Mr Donald CHEN Yee, JP Deputy Secretary for Labour and Welfare (Welfare)2 Ms Jane LEE Sze-yan Principal Assistant Secretary for Labour and Welfare (Poverty) Ms Winnie LAU Wing-han Senior Principal Executive Officer (Special Assignment) Labour and Welfare Bureau Mrs Angelina CHEUNG FUNG Deputy Secretary for Education (6) Wing-ping, JP - 4 - Miss Mabel LI Po-yi, JP Assistant Commissioner for Labour (Development) Labour Department Miss Maria LAU Assistant Director of Social Welfare (Social Security) Social Welfare Department Ms Reddy NG Wai-lan, JP Principal Economist (5), Economic Analysis and Business Facilitation Unit Mr Victor LAM Wai-kiu, JP Deputy Government Chief Information Officer (Consulting and Operations) Mr Paul TANG Kwok-wai, JP Secretary for the Civil Service Mr Raymond WONG Hung-chiu, JP Permanent Secretary for the Civil Service Ms May CHAN Wing-shiu, JP Deputy Secretary for the Civil Service (2) Miss Winnie CHUI Hiu-lo Principal Assistant Secretary for the Civil Service (Pay and Leave) Clerk in attendance: Ms Anita SIT Assistant Secretary General 1 Staff in attendance: Mr Derek LO Chief Council Secretary (1)5 Mr Daniel SIN Senior Council Secretary (1)7 Mr Ken WOO Senior Council Secretary (1)5 Mr Raymond SZETO Council Secretary (1)5 Mr Frankie WOO Senior Legislative Assistant (1)3 Ms Michelle NIEN Legislative Assistant (1)5 Miss Yannes HO Legislative Assistant (1)6 ________________________________________________________________ Action Item No. 1 – FCR(2014-15)46A HEAD 707 – NEW TOWNS AND URBAN AREA DEVELOPMENT Civil Engineering – Land Development 770CL – Planning, engineering and architectural study for topside development at Hong Kong boundary crossing facilities island of Hong Kong–Zhuhai–Macao Bridge - 5 - Action 1. Motions proposed by members pursuant to paragraph 37A of the Finance Committee Procedure 1. The Committee continued to deal with the motions proposed by members pursuant to paragraph 37A of the Finance Committee ("FC") Procedure. 2. The Chairman put to vote the questions, one by one, that the motions proposed by Mr CHAN Chi-chuen numbered 0008 to 0025 be proceeded forthwith. As requested by members, the Chairman ordered a division for each of the proposed motions and the division bell was rung for one minute for each division. With the agreement of the Chairman, Mr CHAN read out each of his proposed motions during the ringing of the division bell. All the questions were negatived. Voting on FCR(2014-15)46A 3. As the Committee had dealt with all of the motions proposed to be moved under paragraph 37A of the Finance Committee Procedure to express views on the item FCR(2014-15)46A, the Chairman put the item to vote. At the request of members, the Chairman ordered a division and the division bell was rung for one minute. The Chairman announced that 31 members voted in favour of and 17 voted against the item. The voting results of individual members were as follows – For: Mr CHAN Kam-lam Mr TAM Yiu-chung Mr Vincent FANG Kang Mr WONG Kwok-hing Mr Jeffrey LAM Kin-fung Mr WONG Ting-kwong Ms Starry LEE Wai-king Mr CHAN Hak-kan Mr CHAN Kin-por Dr Priscilla LEUNG Mei-fun Mr WONG Kwok-kin Mr IP Kwok-him Mrs Regina IP LAU Shuk-yee Mr Michael TIEN Puk-sun Mr James TIEN Pei-chun Mr Steven HO Chun-yin Mr Frankie YICK Chi-ming Mr YIU Si-wing Mr CHAN Han-pan Mr LEUNG Che-cheung Ms Alice MAK Mr KWOK Wai-keung Mr Christopher CHEUNG Wah-fung Dr Elizabeth QUAT Mr Michael LIAO Cheung-kong Mr POON Siu-ping Mr TANG Ka-piu Ir Dr LO Wai-kwok Mr CHUNG Kwok-pan Mr Christopher CHUNG Shu-kun Mr Tony TSE Wai-chuen (31 members) - 6 - Action Against: Mr Albert HO Chun-yan Mr James TO Kun-sun Mr LEUNG Yiu-chung Ms Emily LAU Wai-hing Mr Frederick FUNG Kin-kee Ms Cyd HO Sau-lan Mr Alan LEONG Ka-kit Mr WONG Yuk-man Ms Claudia MO Mr Gary FAN Kwok-wai Mr CHAN Chi-chuen Dr Kenneth CHAN Ka-lok Dr Fernando CHEUNG Chiu-hung Mr SIN Chung-kai Dr Helena WONG Pik-wan Mr IP Kin-yuen Dr Ann CHIANG Lai-wan (17 members) 4. The Chairman declared that the Committee approved the item. 5. Dr Ann CHIANG said that she intended to vote in favour of the proposal. The Chairman said that he had already declared the voting result and the voting record could not be altered. He directed that Dr CHIANG's voting preference should be duly reflected in the minutes of the meeting. Item No. 2 – FCR(2014-15)39 HEAD 141 – GOVERNMENT SECRETARIAT : LABOUR AND WELFARE BUREAU Subhead 000 Operational expenses HEAD 173 – STUDENT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AGENCY (to be renamed as Working Family and Student Financial Assistance Agency) Subhead 000 Operational expenses Item No. 3 – FCR(2014-15)48 CAPITAL WORKS RESERVE FUND HEAD 710 – COMPUTERISATION Government Secretariat : Labour and Welfare Bureau Student Financial Assistance Agency (to be renamed as Working Family and Student Financial Assistance Agency) New Subhead "Information Technology System and Office Automation Facilities for the Working Family Allowance Office" 6. The Chairman advised that the item FCR(2014-15)39 sought the Committee's approval of a supplementary provision of $52.47 million under Head 141 and a supplementary provision of $16.58 million under Head 173 for taking forward the Low-income Family Allowance ("LIFA") Scheme. - 7 - Action 7. The item FCR(2014-15)48 sought the Committee's approval of a new commitment of $40,037,000 under Head 710 of the Capital Works Reserve Fund for the development of an information technology system and setting up of office automation facilities for implementing LIFA. The Chairman directed that discussions on the two items be combined and the items be voted on separately. 8. Mr Frederick FUNG, Chairman of the Subcommittee on Poverty ("the Subcommittee"), reported that the Subcommittee discussed the funding proposals for LIFA on 27 May 2014. Subcommittee members supported the Administration's proposal in principle, while some members expressed concern on the high working hour threshold for the higher Basic Allowance under the LIFA Scheme, being 192 hours per month.
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