Eigbth Series, Vol. XIV, No. 14 VVednesday, ~arcb 12, 1986 -~'~-----'---~-' -~------.--.. ~.----- PbaJguna 21, 1907 (Saka)

LOK SABHA DEBATES' (English Version)

Fifth Session (Eighth Lok Sabba)

(Vol. XIV contains Nos. 11 to 20)

l.OK SABRA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI

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No. 14, Wednesday, March 12, 1986{Phalguna 21, 1907 (Saka)

COLUMNS

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS: 1-30 ·Starred QUCfitions Nos. 244, 247 to 251 and 253

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS: ... 31-169

Starred Qu~stions Nos. 245, 246, 252 and 254 to 262

Unstarred Questions Nos. 2404 to 2506 and 2508 to 2529

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE ... 173-178

COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS - 178

Thirteenth Report

CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE - ••• 179-205

Reported delay in completion of Hazira.Bijaipur -

Jagdishpur Gas Pipeline Project 179

Shri Balwant Singh Ramoowalia 179 Shri Chandra Shekhar Singh 179 Shri Amal Datta ... 183 Sbrimati Jayanti Patnaik ••• 185 Sbri Somnatb Chatterjee 188 Shri Bhattarn Srirama Murty 190

*The sign -4- lnarked above the nama of a Member indicates tbat the Question was actually asked on tbe floor of the House by that Member. COLUMNS

JOINT COMMITTEE ON LOKPAL BILL -

Motion re : extension of time for presentation of Report

MATTERL UNDER RULE 377 - ... 206-212

(i) Need to take measures to safeguard the interests of Cotton growers of Gujarat

Shri .Ahmed M. Patel 206

(ii) Need to provh.k jobs to the displaced persons and absorb atleast 300:.) nlor~ persons before cOlnplction of 1st phase of the Visakhapatnam Steel Plant

Sbri Bhattam Sriranla Murthy 208

(iii) Need to arrange live telecast of Car Festival of Lord Shri Jagannatb held every year at Puri Dham

Shri Chintamani Panigrahi 208

(iv) Need to renovate sone edna} and extension of distributory from Bbawa to Pareo and repairs of Kurkuri line

Shri C. P. Thakur 209

(v) Need to dispose of the sub-standard fertilizer at a reduced price either through Food Corporation of India or any other agency

Shri Anoopchand Shah 209

(vi) Need to take necessary n1casures to control the floods in Mahanadi basin in tne districts of Cuttack and Puri

Shri Brajamoban Mohanty ... 210

(vii) Need to amend the Foreigners (Detennination by Tribunals) Act, 1983

Sbri Dinesb GoswaOli 210

(viii) Need to attract mot c foreign tourists to India particularly from Middle·~astern, Gulf and south-Eastern countries

Prof. Saifuddin Soz ... 211 (ix) Need to provide all facilities to orange growers in lhaIwara district of Rajasthan

-Shri Jujbar Singh ••• 211 COLUMNS GENERAL BUDGET, 1986-87-GBNBRAL DISCUSSION-Contd ... 212 Shri Harisb Rawat 212

Shri K. P. Unoikrishnan ••• 219 Shri R. Prabhu 226

Shrimati Meira Kumar 232 Shri P. R. Kumaramangalam ... 236 Shri A. J. V. B. Mabeswara Rao 241 Shri V. Krishna Rao ... 245 Shri Zainul Basher ... 247 Dr. A. K. Patel ... 250 Shrimati Prabhawati Gupta ... 252 Shri Amitabb Bachchan ... 2SS Shri G. L. Dogra ... 262 Prof. Saifuddin Soz 265 Dr. K. G. Adiyodi 269 Sbri Wangpba Lowang 173 Shri K. S. Rao ... 276 Shri Hannan Monah 281 Shri Saleem I. Shervani ... 283 Shri T. Basheer 285 Shri Digvijaya Singh 2Sg

Shri Mobd. Mahfooz Ali Khan 292 Shri Narendra Budania ... 295 Shri Rahim Khan 297 Ch. Sunder Singh 300 Shri Ganga Ram ... 304 Shri Kammodilal Jatav ... 310 Sbri Gopeshwar ... 312 Shri K. Ramachandra Reddy ... 313 Sbri Abdul Hannan Ansari 316 Sbri C. P. Thakur ... 319 Shri Kailash Yadav ... 323 Shri Kamla Prasad Singh ... 325 Sbri Sribari Rao ... 329 Sbri Mool Cband Daal ••• 335·331

LOK SABRA DEBATES

2 1 (b) if so, whether Government bave LOK SABRA given these representations a serious conside­ ration particularly in view of the fact that often students lose their study-years owing to various factors beyond their control such Wedlfe,day, March 12, 1986/ Pha/gunG 21, a s strikes etc ; and 1907 (Saka) , (c) if so. whether Oovern:nent propose The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the to give a fresh look to the whole matter Clock harmonising the interest of the youth as wen as achievement of the goal of high standards in services ? {MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [EngU,h] MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI PROF. MADHU 'DANDAVATE P. CHIDAMBARAM): (a) to (c) The (Rajapur): Can Mr. Chavan be taken away Government has been receiving representa.. without permission, Sir 1 tions for retaining the upper age limjt for appearing in the Civil Service Examinations MR. SPEAKER: Even if it is of his at 28. The Govt. has carefully and serious1y own accord. can you stop him ? examined the matter taking into account the interest of the youth as well as tbe need of -- N ow Q ues tI'ons • Prof. Dandavate. public service. The Government's objecti vc is to recruit,. under strict competitive condi­ tions. young men and women fresh from --- graduation and train and mould them to suit the behavioural and skills requirements of ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS the Civil Services. Normally, candidates for the Civil Service Examinations would acquire [EngIl8h] minimum educational qualification by the time they attain the age of about 21 years Upper Age Limit for Civil Service which leaves them about 4 to .5 years time to EsamiDatioDS appear for the examination under an upper age limit of 26 years. Therefore, even if *244. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB : some students lose some time 00 account of Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to reasons beyond their control, still they have state : adequate time to appear for the examination with in an upper age limit of 26 years. , whether Government ha~e been Therefore, Govt. bas considered it appropriate receiving tarle number of representatIons for to restore the upper age limit of 26 years retainina the &Ie. limit of 28 years for the with effect from tbe Civil Services Examjna­ Civil Service Examinations; tion,1987 .. 3 Oral Answers MARCH 12, 1986 Oral A"sw~rs 4,

PROF. MADHU DANOAVATE : Will it should be 28 years? Further, is it not a the hon~ Minister tell us whether it is a fact fact that Jamia Milia, Patna University, that till 1971 for civil service examinations lawaharlal Nehru University and Delhi the age limit was 24 years and then in the University had already recommended and year 1972 it was increased to 26 years? Is students' bodies and teachers' bodies have it a fact tbat after tbat there was a consider­ already recommended, that it should be 28 able demand among the educationists,.among years? So, you may first clarify this point the students. students' organisations and before I go to the second supplementary. teachers' bodies, and after consulting a Dumber of scholars, experts, and university MR. SPEAKER: They are talki.,. authorities, in 1979 this age limit was about the experts. extended to 28 years? Against this background what are the special reasons PROF. MAOHU DANDAVATE : They (beyond what you have rn~ntioned in tbe also had experts in their committee. Just answer) that compelled you to increase the because the National Students Union is limit? connected with the Congress. don't suppose tbey are no experts. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: It is correct that until the year 1971 the upper SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Some age limit was 24 years. . It is also correct students belonging to the National Students that in 1972 it was raised to 26 years. But Union did make a request that we should the remainder of tbe question of the hone keep the ut"per age limit of 28 years. But Member (as far as 1 am ab1e to see from the after a delegation of that body met me and record) is 110t based on correct presumptions. I explained to them the entire background Every expert body, every authority, which and showed to them how recruitment to the was asked to give an upinion in the matter, Government suffers and will continue to every committee which went into it, has suffer jf we have an upper age limit of 28 repeatedly advised that the upper age limit years, the impression that I gained was that should be maintained at 26 and some have they were satisfied with the explanation even gone to the extent of saying that it given by me, and they agreed before me should be restored to the old upper age limit that the upper age lim it of 28 might be k~pt of 24. It is no doubt correct that a decision only for this year's examination and it could was taken in late 1978 to increase the age be restored to 26 from the Civil Services limit to 28 year. But, from the record. I Examination. 1987. The NS VI bas taken am in a position to state that that decision a very reasonable position and I sm grate was taken against tbe advice of tbose who ful to NSUI for appreciating the decision of *-, were asked to give their opinion; and those the Oovernment. (Interruption8.) who were asked to give their opinion reitera­ ted that the age limit must be 26 years. But PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Not for reasons which are Dot easily discernable very good, Say very bad. I have taken a decision was taken in September-Octobor, permission to ask second supplementary. It 1978 to increase the age limit to 28 years. was spilJ over of the first. The hone Member knows very well wbo took that decision. Is it Dot a fact that all tbose experts and scholars who had pleaded for keeping 28 PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB: years as the age limit had argued that so Before I put the second question, on tbe long as the disparity between urban region spill ... over of the first question, I want to on the one side and rural and backward seek a clarification. Then I will put the region on the other side remains, because tbe second question. As far as consulting tbe urban areas are subject to the influence of opinion of various experts and various bodies mass media, they ha ve number of goo' \ '" is concerned. is it not a fact tbat the educational atmospbere and other thina" National Students' Union set up as-member whereas in the backward areal and rural committee and that committee submitted a areas, thcse facilities are lack'iul, j·t abould unanimous recommendation to the Prime be 28 ycars. Is it Dot a fact that DOt parti­ Minister, Sbri Rajiv Gandhi in 198', tbat cularly .litists of tbe urban areas but rural 5 Oral Answers pHALGUNA 21, 1901 (SAKA) Vtal All~'Wers 6 areas population, their representatives, PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I educations, from those artas insisted that so think, you are not going back further to JODI as tbis disparity continues, at least till 24 years. tlaat period, tbe upper age limit should be 28 years and consistent with tbe approach in the Budget, will you take cognizance of PROF. N. G. RANGA: Is it not a \his particular disparity between rural and fact that most of the so-caUed experts from urban and try to stick to the upper age limit their childhood come from urban areas and of 28. from upper caste and highly educated families? Is it not a fact that Indiraji MR. SPEAKER : Wby don't you hereself recognised the fact that the so-called remove this difference in terms of education. lower caste and rural folk and artisans and There should be one set of education to all. other people are not able to send their children early to the schools as the urban PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: If people do? They are not able to provide that happens, we would be very happy. I do special training for their children. That is Dot know when it is going to happen. If the reason why for a very long time, they examinations are also removed, this 28 year have been asking about tbe upper age limit. limit is not necessary. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I appre­ SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir. I do ciate the sentiments of hon. Member but the not know of any expert body which has facts are otherwise. Today, the minimum recommended that age limit should be 28 educational qualification in only graduation years based upon the so-called rural-urban and if you work out the number of years divide. I know that a large number 0 which a student will take to acquire tbis ex.pert bodies have examined all aspects minimum educational QualificatIOn, you will including the so-called rural-urban divide. find tbat he will acquire the graduate degree when he reacbes about 21 or 22 years of age . .PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Have We are allowing three chances. Every you consulted rura I ex perts ? candidate. we believe, can avail of these three chances in succession. before one SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Why does reacbes tbe age of 26 years. he say, so-called rural-urban divide?

SHRI P. CHJDAMBARAM : The The age is only one factor which we have Kothari Committee, Union Public Service to take into account, the age span of edu·" Commission, the Director of S.V.P. National cation. TheIe al e a [lumber of other factors. Police Academy. National Trading F or example, we ha ve to ha ve a certain Conference on Training of Civil Servants amount of bo', ogeneity in the recruitment. and various others have taken into account We have to ·be able to catcb them youna to all the aspects and advised that it should be mould them for the' specitic requirements of restored to 26 years. Why 1 say so-called tbe civil service. We have to get the full rural-urban divide is, we do not agree with benefit of service f r opl them, the full term of tbe assumption that rural families can afford service in liovernment before they are to educate their children for a longer period entitled to full pensionary benents. We have of time. On the contrary, the advice we to in~ulcat~ in tbem babits and luetbods of have received is, rural families are anxious working which will suit the civil service. I that after examination, their boys and sirls, do not think that we can look at it merely their sons and daughters, should take the from the point of view of some rural families competitive examination at a very early date DOl being able to send their children to and that the luxury of extended education schooJs. (Interruptions) The point is every is really a luxury which is available only to student can complete hiS graduation before the urban areas and not to tbe rural areas. be reaches tbe age of 22 years an d. therefore, )f we increase tbe age Jimit to 28, we believe, three chances will be available within tbo it will be a distinct advaotaao to tbe urban upper &Ie limit of 26 years. arcu ratber thaD rural arou. \lntrr"",'olJI). 7 Oral Answer~ MARCH 12. 1986 Oral n~wers 8

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He Tree PllutatloD had appeared for civil examination! + SHRI UTfAM RATHOD : I know one *247. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH or two instances where the boys of the rural MALIK: area could not take the examination tbough SHRI SUBHASH YADAV: they had topped the list in their university Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased examinations. What can you say about sucb to state: cases? They were late in joining the schools and so, they c9uld not complete (a) wbether Government propose to their graduation before the age that is chalk out a special plan for planting trees in prescribed by the Government. So, they each State; could not appear in the lAS and IPS.

What do you say about such classes, (b) if so. the broad outlines of the pJan ; and especially when they are people from back .. ward classes who are ndther SC nor ST '/ (c) the funds allocated for this purpose? SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: It is really the same question and I have said THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE that it only takes 15 years of education to MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND get a degree. FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) Yes, Sir. An Action Plan has been chalked MR. SPEAKER: The question ~hou'd out. have been put otherwise. The question should have been as to how the rural people (b) A statement is given below. who are getting education from the rural schools which have not the facilities that are available in the urban areas, stand up to the (c) ALLOCATION OF FUNDS: competition wilh those getting education in advanced schools. (i) The funds available from major central sourcea for 1986-87 are: SHRI P. CHID \MBARAM : I entirely agree. If the hon. House agrees with me, Programme Rs. (crores) 15 years is the time that is required to '._----- acquire a graduate degree. The question is l. Social Forestry 36 not real1y tbe upper age limit but to provide .special coaching facilities in rural and back­ 2. National Rural Employ­ ward areas. ment PROF. N. G. RANGA: Who is dojng Programme and rural it ? Landless 219 Employment Guarantee Programme "earmarking SHRI P. CHIDAMB~,RAM: We have to provide speoial coaching facilities in rural for Social Forestry. areas, to enable these boys and girls to compete in these examinations. When we (ii) Other allocations are partially took this decision, we have also simul .. available from Desert Development, taneously taken a decision to establish Drought Prone Areas, Soil Conser­ coaching centres in backward areas to enable vation, Dryland Farming and other graduates in tbe rural areas to compete in Programmes. this examination. If you examine closely, ~ ,, , you wiJl find that it has nothing to do with (iii) Besides, the States are expected to the upper age limit. The upper age limit only provide approximately Rs. ISO provides for tbree chances wbich is provided crores for the afforestation for. proBrammc. 9 Oral Answers PHALG ONA 21, 1907 (SA K..4) bral Afllw~rs 10

Statement 3. NODAL AGENCY :

The Action Plan drawn up by the Tbe State/U.T. Governments have National Wastelands Development Board been requested to identify a single and accepted by the State/UT Governments nodal agency for ensuring an integrated for implementation has the following key approach for the implementation of elements :- the programme which is beiDg executed by different agencies, official and 1. IDENTIFICATION OF WASTE .. otherwise. LANDS: 4. SEED: Each StatejU. T. Government has be~n requested to identify wastelands 10 The States/UTs. have been requested their territory whether they be in to extend the scope of operation of forest area, revenue/common lands the existing State Seed Corporations or degraded farm lands. to include the production and supply of fodder, grass and legume seeds to 2. PEOPLE'S INVOLVEMENT farmers on commercial basis. Tbis will be ensured by the following measures: 5. LEASING OF LANDS:

(a) Decentrallsed Nurseries: People9 s The State/Ul. Governments have been nurseries i. e. kisans, schools, requested to prepare guidelines for women, youth groups, voluntary lea&in~ of forest and non-forest agencies, etc., will be motivated wastelands for afforestation to the rural poor. to mect the increased demand of seedlings. 6. FOREST BASED INDUSTRIES: (b) f'arm Forestry: Farmers will be motivated to take up tree farming Must be encouraged to afforest on their marginal lands and wastelands to produce the raw material planting on their field bunds. A needed by them. Industries must also rational policy in regard to be enthused to raise tree cover on distribution of seedlings should wastelands with a view to provide be evolved. employment to the rural poor as well as to enable them to grow trees on a (c) Tree Growers' Cooperatives: remunerative basis. The State Govern­ Tree Growers' cooperatives should ments have been requested to draw be organised with the involve .. up guidelines for the Jease of waste­ ment of farmers in raising and lands to industries in this behalf. distribution of seedlings and in tree plantations. 7. URBAN FUELWOOD AND GREEN BELTS: (d) Voluntary Agencies: The grass .. roots agencies, Mahila Mandals, The States/UTs. have been requested to towns and cities have Youth groups would also be ensure that green belts of fuelwood and fodder motivated in nursery raising and plantations to cater to the urban tree plantations. fue)wood and fodder needs. (e) Tree Pattas: Strips of land 8. DEGRADED FORESt AREAS: aloog roads, rails, canals, etc., and other degraded land should States have been requested to identify be given to the fural POOf, with dearaded forest lands and to reforest usufruct riabts on the trees them with fuelwood and fodder planted b)' them on Iuob lalla IpIOioa. . 1t Oral Answers MARCH 12. t 986 Oral Anlw"s l~

9. FOREST DEVELOPMENT COR .. SHRI DIIARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: PORATIONS: The statement shows that people will be involved in deccntralised nurseries, farm The .Forest Development Corporations forestry, tree growers, co-operativCl. should obtain wastelands on lease voluntary agencies and tree pattas. I would from the Governments for raising like to know from the hOD. Minister whether fue)wood and fodder plantations. any financial assista Dce wHI be given to tbe people who involve themselves in tbese 10. GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS: activities which you have mentioned in the statement. Government Departments, public sector undertakings and othe bodies! SHRI Z. R. ANSARI : The answer institutions having substantial areas itself is tbere in the main reply that for of unutilised lands must bring such Social Forestry Rs. 36 crores have been land under tree cover. earmarked. For National Rural Employ­ ment Programme and Rural Landless 11. MEDIA AND COMMUNICATION: Employment Guarantee Programme a sum of Rs. 219 crores, have been earmarked and A massive publicity campaign through there ar~ some funds from the Desert the traditional media of folk art and Development, Drought Prone Areas, Soil culture, radio, television and other Conservation, Dry land Farming programmes. audio visual aids should be undertaken From all these sectors funds will be available to create awareness among the masses. to be deployed for tree plantation.

12. MONITORING AND EVALUATIO"N: SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: I want to know whether any subsidy will be The State/U.T. Governments should given or not. evolve appropriate monitoring and evalution mechanism to sensure qualita­ tive implementation of the programme. (TranI/at (on]

SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: SHRI SUBHASH YADAV : Mr. May 1 know from the hone Minister what Speaker, Sir, my submission in this regard action the Government propose to take on is tbat jf we could conduct a survey in tbo the suggestions made at a receot seminar on entire countr) about the rate of mortality tree plantation, that India must ful1y exploit state-wise, 1 think, many facts would come . tbe bigb potential afforded by tree plantation to ligbt. So far as my district is concerned" for providing rural employment and also for the rate of rno rtality there is more than SO raising the rural income and further whether per cent. Under these circumstances. 1 the Government propose to revise the would like to request tbe Government to National Forest Policy in view of the said constitute a bigh level committee at tbe suggestions? district level which should go into the questi-on and find out whether tree pJantation SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: We have was done tbere or not and jf it bad not been alreadY taken decisions as far as the done, whether there was any administrative aiff)restatioD Policy is concerned. The lapse in it or not. Under these circumstances, stress is now that the sociaJ forestry should it is very necessary to find out this fact. be made a people's programme instead of a Another susgestion which I want to give is proaramme to be taken up by the Govern­ that the farmers wbo •••••••. (lnttrruptloru) ment Department and in this regard a strategy bas been evolved and the statement which is attached with the answer identifies MR. SPEAKER : Will )OU give the whole gamut of the question and the suggestions and make subrn issicns onJ) 0 Dati onal wastoland development programme will you put the question too? ...... r and the atr.tou. (1""","40111) 13 Dral ,,4n,w,,~ PHALGUNA 21. 1901 (SAI"...f) Oral Anlw,rs 14

SHRJ SUBHASH YADAV : 1 want rEngllsh] tbat the hon. Minister should order a dlltrict-wise survey to find out the rate of (Interruptions) mortality and view this problem seriously. I want to know whether he would order such MR. SPEAKER: He is not reading. a survey? ( Interrupt/oral)

(English] PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Let the Minister come nearer. SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: It is a conti­ nuous process The State Governments have SHRI D. N. REDDY: Before tbe been reques1ed to identify a single nodal Government spells out a special plan for agency which will mon itor tbe wbole pro­ planting trees in each State. is it not a fact gramme Here and there there may be that there is senseless denudation of forests some lacunae which have to be looked into. and destruction of greenery/vegetation is on It is a good suggestion for action. the increase and if so. wi1l the Government take special steps to prevent such senseless [Translation) destruction of forests and vesetation ?

SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: Sir. as far as Mr. Speaker. Sir, maximum loss from de­ we are concerned, we are taking every step forestation is caused to the Adiva~is and it and guidelines are being issued to the State is disturbing their economy. Tbe bon. Government and to the concerned agencies Minister bas mentioned about the scheme for taking care that the forests are Dot under which the wasteland can be allotted degraded. Sir, it is a fact that in certain to those who want to cultivate it. I want arpas there arc reports and we just initiate to know whether there is any scheme under action and take up the matter with the State consideration of the Government under Governments. which such wastelands would be allotted to the farmers for social forestry? SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN SINGH: I would like to know from the SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: Yes, Sir, such Hon. Minister (a) whether it is a fact that a scheme. as asked by the bon. Member, is according to the satellite imagery which has already there and if there are some people, been taken on certain areas of Indja, tbe voluntary organisations which are traditionally forest cover is not even half of the revenue attached to forests. tbey can be given land records of that area and (b) whether it is a on lease. There is provision in this regard fact that areas which are also forest and tbey can be allotted the land. und~r cover bave been denuded to a degree where it is very very thin. SHRt DILEEP SINGH BHURIA: My Question is about aU tribals, who Jive in forests and are attached to the forests. I SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: This is a fact want to know whether Government propose that the satellite imagery has shown that the to formulate a separate scheme for them? actual thick forest is almost half, somewhat more than half, of the total area which is shown as forest land. It is about 13 percent SHRI Z. R. ANSARI Tribals are when the declared forest area is 22.7 percent also included in thtm. or somethina like that, subject to correction. This is also a fact that certain areas, certain SURI SUBHASH YADAV: I want forests are real1y denuded and tbey arc in a to know whether Central Government would degraded condition. formulate a separate scheme for each state ••••• (Interruption,) SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN SINGH : In part (8) of tbe question, I bad ~a. SPBAKER: Shri D. N. Reddy. astod wbether (he forest cover bas come 1sOra/ r AnIW" MARCH 12, 1986 Oral AnlWl'I t6 down to half of the total area. He says it We are going to put a comprehensive Bill is 22.7 IniJlion hectares. In U.P. it is not before Parliament. It is only the Parliament more than 4 to 5 per c~nt. Is that correct? which is competent to revise it. At that time we will see aU aspects of it, whetber they are vimukht jatis. who faUs in tbe SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: I am saying category of Tribes. tbat 22.7 percent is the total forest area which has been sbown The forest cover shown by this satellite imagery is about 13 SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: What is percent. the hitch in having a census ?

DR. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI: Denotlfted CommODities and Nomadic Tribes The question is not taking of any census because according to the Constitution caste *248. SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: Will and community .. wise enumeration can ~ the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to done only for Scheduled Castes and state : Scheduled Tribes. In respect of others, no such enumeration is possible. (a) whether there are denotified communities and nomadic tribes in most of SHRI UTTAM RA THOD : The the States; Minister says that these people cannot be enumerated. But when the Government to them under either the (b) whether Government have taken intends include Scheduled Castes OJ the Schedultd Trihes any census of these tribes ; and what is the harm in doins it? In this country we have been having yearly (c) so, what is their population, if census, of the born~free and roaming­ State-wise 1 free tIgers and other wild life. How is it that we cannot have a census of these THE DEPlJTY MINISTER OF STATE people, these nomadic people. We have IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE schemes to rehabilitate criminals, but we do (SHRI GIRJDHAR GOMANGO): (a) not have any scheme to rehabilitate these Yes, Sir. ex-criminal tribes. What is the reason?

(b) No, Sir. DR. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI · Tribes are not criminals. . (c) The Question does not arise.

SHRI UTTAM RATHOD : Government [Translation] have, on several occasions. made it clear on SHRI NARSINH MAKWANA: Mr. the floor of the House tbat the list of Speaker, Sir, the . people belonging to higb Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes will castes get concesslons meant for Harijans and be revised Accordinsly, twice a BiU was Scheduled Castes in Gujarat. The State introduced and it was referred to a Joint Government bas also written to you in this Committee. But the Bills lapsed as the regard, but there has not been any improve­ Sabba was dissolved. May I Lok know ment. Educated and well off people who whether the Government is still thinking of do not beloDg to backward classes are revising the list of Scheduled Castes and availing of all faciHties meant for tbe Scheduled Tribes and if so, for that purpose, Harijans and Scbeduled erstes. I want to whether they W Jll try to enumerate the know as to what action the hon. Minister is Domadic tribes and the ex .. criminal tribes '1 taking in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF WBLFARE (DR. SHRIMATJ RAJENDRA KUMARI RAJENOR~ KUMARI BAJPAI): Sir, BAJ~AI : Similar complaints have also been Government is considering revising the list received from other States as also from the of Scbedu\ed Castes and Scheduled Tribes. people beloDliDa to Scheduled Cast. wbQ 17 O,al An,wer, PHAtGUNA 21, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18 bave been shown as Scheduled Tribes. The they are treated in the State as OBC and State Government have also filed similar facilities are given to them from the State. complaintl. The Central Government have When we bring comprehensive Jist before the considered it in detail and we propose to Parliament, we will see all aspects of it. lay a comprehensive list before the Parliament soon. Delay in Completion of Central Projects

*249. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY Will tbe Minister of PROGRAMME V. VENKATESH : From IMPLEMENTATION be pleased to state : Karnltaka some tribes have been reco­ mmended for inclusion in the list of (a) the number of central projects that Scheduled Tribes, and that is a community have slipped by two years or more, tbe which has some historical background. They number of projects that have been delayed were wandering in forest~. This community by less tban two years and the names of is called the Nayak community. They are projects that h.tve slipped by I J years. also called beda, the hunting community. according to the monitoring of 183 Central and also Valmiki. Th~re is only discrepancy projects under impJementatjon undertaken in the nomenclature, but they are almost by the Ministry; equal in all respects. The Government of Karnataka bas already sent this proposal, (b) the total amount of escalation in for approval, to th.! Government of India. investment and costs of these projects as a But, so far, the Government of India has consequence of this delay; and not taken any interest in this. Due to this tbere is a lot of trouble for those people who are actually in the forests. They want (c) the steps being taken to expedite to come up in life, to have education and to their execution as per schedUle '1 be in the mainstream of India. But, so far, the Government of India has not taken any THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME interest in this. I want to know why the IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A. B. A. Government is indu1ging in these delaying GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY): (a) to tactics. This is an imDortant and vital (c) A statement is given below. matter. Why have the Covernment not taken it seriou§Jy ? Statement DR. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI : We are quite serious and we are taking all (a) Of the projects being monitored by possible care to bring forward a compre­ tbis Ministry 49 projects have been delayed hensive list before Parliament. by less than 2 years, S6 projects between 2-11 years and 3 projects namely Bokaro , SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV : The Steel Plant, Moonidih Coal project and Calcutta Underground (Dum Dum-To))y­ people who are working in the Assam tea pnj) projects by 11 years or more froin tho 'garden areas are considered as Schedul~d original dates. Castes in otb er parts of the country, but tn Assam they are not being so treated. The Government of Assam aod the Assam (b) The total costs of the 108 delayed 'Pradesh Congress(1) have requested the projects as now anticipated comes to Rs.

Central Government to treat them as SC ; 43,15,4 crores as against an original amount I but there is no· reaction. May I know what of Rs. 24,803 crores. This increase is due is the view of tbe Central Government to numerous reasons including delay in about it ? execution.

DR.. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI : (c) The fonowing steps arc beina takeD The Government of Assam bas made tbem to expedite the implementation of theM "oac i. c., Otber Backwar~ cl_sscs and proJects, 19 Oral An$w~r.f MARCH 12, 1986

(i) Preparation of realistic project MR. SPEAKER: Mt. Minister. be- is implementation plans. only asking whether you will tAke steps so that tbere will be DO furtber delay. (ii) Effective monitoring through SHRI A. B. A. GHANI KHAN Monthly Flash Report aDd Quar­ CHOUDHURY: We have already taten terly Status Report Monitoring steps. Thanks to the Prime Minister's System. wisdom tbat be has created a Department. caned the Project Implementation Depart­ (iii) Constant pressure on project autho­ ment. (Inter,."pllon8)--That Department rities for expeditions completion. bas brought greater consciousness amODl the Ministers and the Project Authoritie. ; number two, pressure for acbie"jD8 cost aDd (iv) Inter.. Ministerial coordination and, time schedule; number three, action and inter-action. belp for solving problems and removinl bottlenecks by the concerned authorities and (v) Close follow-up by concerned Number four, follow-up through discussions Ministries and project authorities with Ministers and the Project Authorities. with State Governments, equipment suppliers, Consultants and other SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Mr. concerned agencies to minimise Speaker Sir, my second supplementary i. delays. tbat whatever the Minister has stated in bis reply about "eepio8 in touch constant)' with the monitoring and implemcntation aulhoJitics SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Mr. and other internal ministerial mreU8p. Speaker Sir: The Minister bas given the whether the Government has identified tho reply stating that out of 1~3 projects which area where actually th ,s delay is occurriDI. are in progress, 10tl projects are getting Unless you pinpoint the areas where it is delayed from two to eleven ye'us. Because lagging behind. of this inordinate delay in tbe execution of these projects, the cost ~scalation from tbe MR. SPEAKER : That is there in tbe original estimate has almost doubled, i. e., reply. the estimated amount was Rs. 24,803 crores and now, as on date, tbe escalation cost bas SHRI K. RAM-\MURTHY: Uoles. beeD estimated at Rs. 43,154 crores. One you identify the area where tbe delay of two of the main reasons for the loss of the to eleven years and more is occurring. tbe . pub1 ic sector undertaking is the delay in the things wiH not improve. I am unable to execution. If you calculate the burden on understand how to call it. I wmtld like to the investment. the accumulation of intere!lt know whether the Government m..s id4lmtl~d and the production loss, it is nothing but the areas where actually the de1ay is criminal waste from tbe point of view of the occurring. nation'~ economy. I would like to know from the Hon. Mioister -apart from the MR. SPEAKER I t is in the answer lOS-whether h-: will assure tbe House that itself. the remaining 75 projects would be completed as per the schedule. SHRI A. B. A. GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY: Mr. Speaker Sir. cerlain projeds are monitored by us. We "Del. the SHRI A. B. A. GHANI KHAN monitoring report to tbe project people, CHOUDHURY: There bas been delay. concerned Ministry or Department. etc. Of tbe 108 projects, some of tbem are 1ess There are certain projects where monthly tban two years delay t some of tbem are from monitoring is there. We also send flash two to eleven years delay and some of them report to the Prime Minister aDd in that are eleven years and more delay. The flash report there are indications of proble­ reasons are that there bas been sUppages, matic areas and also tlfe milestone. tha t we tbere has been delay in tbe acquisition of have crossed and the milestone, Idll to be land. erolsed. PHALGUNA 21, 1907 (SAirA) oral Answers 22

SHRf SHANTARAM NAIK: Since projects during this century? The projects this is a special Ministry with a special task are-Ichimpalli, PolJanaram, Telugu Ganga 1 would like to know in case a project is :lot and Vizag steel plant. I want a categorical implfmented as per the schedule what action answer as to when you are going to clear are you goinl to take against your tbese projects. colleagues ? SHRI A. B. A. GHANI KHAN SHRI A. B. A. GHANI KHAN CHOUDHUR Y: Sir, the clearance part is 'CHOUDHUR Y: I have already said that not on me. It is for the Planning the flash report goes to no less a person than Commission. The hon. Member sbould ask tbe'Prime Minister every month. The Prime tbe Plannios Commission. Minister is there 00 our neck to . take effective action and we take effective action. [Tranl/allon 1 SHRf PRIYA RANJAN DASS MUNS}: Sir, there are certain projecfs which are ClearaDce to BheDsatori Irrigation ;cheme definite1y being monitored by the Government in District GUDa, Madhya Pradesb of I nd ia in respect of States and for their successful implementation Government needs *250 SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: total participation and cooperation of the Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased to respective State governments. May I know state: from tbe hon. Minister whether be will take personal and effective steps to see tbat the (a) whether the Bhensatori Irrigation Tube Railway Project, circul ar Railway Scbeme in District Guna (Madhya Pradesh) Project and the second HoogbJy Brjdge has been pending clearance of the Union project of Calcutta which are taking long Government (Ministry of Environment an d time for completion because of the non-per­ Forests) for about nine year; formance and totally hostile attitudt; of the State Government get completed 1 Will the (~) if so, the reasons therefor; and Minister examine tbe matter and take steps accordingly? (c) when the requisite clearance would be Si vcn to the scbeme? SHRI A. B. A. GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY: The hon. Member knows [English) the reason of the delay of Calcutta Under­ ground Railway. The main reasons of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE deJay are : problems of 1and acquisition : MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND learning process because it is a first project FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI': (a) of its kind and inadequate construction per­ No, Sir. formance. (/llterruptionl) Only the other day I had a meeting with the Chief Minister (b) Question does not arisc. Of West Bengal to remove certain bottlenecks. Wen I would not sa, - now they win all be getting up and shouting -that we are not (c) The proposal for diversion of getting aoy cooperation from the State 295.146 hectares of forest land for the Government but I will say that we are not Bhensatori Tank Project which was received aen,jlll cooperation to that extent. in the Department on 11.1.1984, was rejected (rlt'ertr'ptlon,) Our people who want to work on 24.6.1985. are Dot allowed to work. SHR.I MAHENDRA SINGW : According SHRI M. RAGHUMA RBDDY: Sir, to the National Kemote Sensing Agency, many proje~ts are pending from Andhra Hyderabad. forest coverage in Madhya Pradesh. We ace marcbill8 towards the Pradesh has gone down by 17 per cent and 21st century. 1 would like to know wbcther the forest area bas come down from lO.ti6 ~. boo. Minister is loiDI to clear those l1lilliQD bectares to 9.02 million hectarei~ 23 Oral Answer, MARCH 12, 1986 Oral Answlr& 24

However, the officers sitting at Delhi in their has taken a decision and has also given a airconditioned rooms accept or reject certain directive that all those cases in which just schemes taking the forest areas indicated on by passing the clearance, without taking the the maps published many years ago. 1 c1earance, the work bas been started, should know that this particular area is totally be rejected outright and should not be barren. There are no forests, but they have .cleared. rejected this scheme just on the basis of the old maps. Will tbe hoo. Minister kindly SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH : ]n view check up again on the basis of the survey of of the new fact conveyed to you by me, will the National Remote Sensing Agency and by you kindJy reconsider tbis case because there sending some officers- at the spot and find is actually no forest and this area is a totally out the correct position '1 This is specially barren land? I request the bon. Minister so, because this interior area of my Parlia­ to send his omcers for an on-tbe·spot study mentary Constituency, Guna, is a place, to see whether any forest is left in the area where there is not only irrigation problem, before finally rejecting it Secondly, keeping there is shortage of drinking water also. In in view the survry of the National Remote view of this. people refuse to negotiate the Sensing Agency, Hyderabad, will the Minister marriages of thei" daughters in this area, see that new maps are drawn so that the because they will have to walk for miles future schemes will not suffer the fate which to felcb drinking water. Will the bon. my scheme bas sufTered? First of al1, the Minister kindly send some officers on the State Governments will not be required to spot to find out the correct position before send tbose schemes wben there is no forest. rejecting my request ? If the ~aps ale redrawn, the question of rejecting clearance . does not arise in such SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: I do not know cases where there are no forests. about the information which the hon. Member has got. According to the infor­ (lnte,ru pI Ions ) mation which we have, we have to sacrifice 36,901 trees if we juc;t clear this project. As SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: May I most the House is aware, we passed the Forest respectfully inform the bon. House member Conservation Act, 1980 only because the that wherever there are such projects, our forests were being cut indiscriminately ofilcers inspect the areas on the spot and a affecting the ecology of this country and decision is taken only after the matter is endangeriml the wrote civilization of this reported to the Committee. ]n this parti­ country. We had to bring that Act. Since cular case, according to the reports which we 1980 the rate of deforestation and conversion have got, it is they who have reported that of forest land for other usages has corne tbe work had already started in 1980 and it _down. came to us for clearance in 1984 and alain it is they who have reported that we have to sacrifice 36,709 trees. The Forest Conservation Act was passed in 1980. Cases which had been cleared by the State Governments and where noti­ MR. SPEAKER He is sayi ng that fications had been issued for converting the it may be reviewed. forest lands for some other usages, projects etc., and actual orders had been passed for PROF. K. K. TEWARY: ]n view of deforestation, those cases were not covered tlie submission made by the hone member. under the purview of this Act of 1980. This the Minister may clarify •••. , (Interruptions) particular case came to us in 1984 after the Forest Conservation Act was passed. But [Translation J the work on this project started in 1980 without bringing this to our knowledge and SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH Officers without taking our clearance. It is just are not sen t there. by 't • passing the authority of this Parliament and getting no clearance accord ing to the Act MR. SPEAKER : You have pointed from the Forest Department of the Gov~rn­ it out. Plent of India. Therefore. tbe Prime Minister (1 "terrllptlo,,&) 25 Oral Answer.r PHALG UNA 21, 1907 (,s'AkA)

[English] which is of national importance. In Saurashtra, there is scarcity of drinking MR. SPEAKER You get yourse1f wa ter also and these dams will be very satisfied. useful, if constructed.

(1 nrerru/)t ions) MR. SPEAKER: The request will be given due consideration. MR. SPEAKER: It is not a debate. SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: lhis parti .. SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: I quite cular question is regarding one project. I appreciate the suggestion made by the bon. would like to state that not only for this member. project, but for a1l those projects, when tbe Committee takes a decision and recommends MR. SPEAKER: You send a man certain things either for rejection or for there and find out.· That is alL giving clearance. all the facts are taken into account as to what benefits would be derived by the completion of that project and as to SBRI MAHENDRA SINGH: Thank what sacrifices we have to make. In this you Sir. particular project, the benefits that we may derive are very low in comparison to the (Interruptions) .. sacrifices that we have to make .

SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: The hon. Prime Mini~ter is here and I would SHRI HAROOBHAI Ml HTA: There 1ike to brin!! to his kind notice lhi~ impor­ are c('rtain projects where there does arise t.ant matter. Forests arc very useful to the an unavoidable competition between the country and there is no doubt about that. ecological requirement and the economic But irrigation dams are more useful to the development. As for example, in Gujarat, oltion. Many useful proposals from the many sensitive works are suffering for want State Government to construct dams are of clearance from 'the Forest Department. pending with the Central Government and Will the hon. Minister consider to take a due to disagreement by the Forest Depart­ little more elastic approach where the ment, these useful proposals could not be question of economic relief comptes taken up. If thcs.! dams are constructed, unavoidably with the ecological requirement? thousands of hectares of land could be irrigated. So it i') ncce~sary to rethink SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: As a matter about these long~ pcndine proposals. In my of fact, there is no conflict between the two. constituency, for inslam:e, there are two The economic development is a must. But, proposals pending for the last 20 years .•.••• the economic development should not be such so that it may spoil the whole ecology ( Interruptions) of the country, otherwise it is very difficult to live' in this country. Because of this SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA: degradation of forest~, oroughts, floods and Sir, let us have an Half-an-Hour Discussion all sorts of things just happen which bring on this. There are hundreds of projects more )osse~ to our country, than the benefits lying like this. by these so-called economic development programmes. MR. SPEAKER: We have talked about it. What more can we do? Mohanbhaiji. you put the question. Allocation of Funds to Karnataka for Wasteland Development SHRI 'MOHANBHAI PATEL: I request tbe hon. Prime Minister to take into *2S1. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER: consideration these very useful proposals Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased to and also to explain his views on this issue state: 21 Oral Answers MAIlell 12, 1986

(a) whether any allocation of funds bas development of 121/2 Jakh be-ctares. I been made for the' Karnataka State for would like to k.now from the Government, wasteland development; and whether the National Development Council has given its clearance for this project?

(0) if not. whether Governm~nt propose SHRI Z. R. ANSARI : Sir, tbe to consider making allocation of funds for project is under consideration of the this purpose in the context of the acute Government. scarcity of funds faced by Karnat Ika for tbe fourth year in succession? SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER: For the year 1986-87. the Government of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Karnataka made it as peoples, movement. MINISTRY OP ENVIRONMENT AND They want to develop 1,78,000 acres of FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) waste land and they have asked the Rs. 43 crores have been allocated for social Government of India for a special assislan<:e forestry in the Seventh Plan for Karnataka of Rs. 85 crotes. in addition to what is State which includes afforestation OD available in the Plan. In view of· the wastelands. prevailing drought conditions in Karnalaka. will the Government consider favourably Rs. 100 lakhs have been allocated to the request of the Karnataka Government? Karnataka in the Central forestry sector under the centrally sponsored scheme viz. SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: As far as the Social Forestry including Rural Fuelwood specil Ilrant for drought is concerned, this is Plantation. Besides, funds to the tune or a subject matter of the Ministry of Rs. 9.30 crores have been allocated under Agriculture. We are not concerned with externaHy aided Social Forestry project in that. As far as tbe allocation of funds for 19t15-86. Funds were also made available social forestry and the share of the Central to Karnataka under tbe Centrally Sponsored Government is concerned.) have given 'tbe Schemes of the Rural Dcvelopm

SHRI Z. R. ANSARI: There is no THE MINISTER OF STATE IN question of diluting the policy of forests THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT conservation. The guidelines which have AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : been given by our Prime Minister are quite (a) An amount of Rs. 152.53 .lakhs was clear, viz. that while considering projects reMised as grant by tbe Central Government for clearance from the forest angle. we to Kerala State durlDg 1984-85 for the 'have to see that tbe benefit which we derive centrally sponsored scheme 'Social Forestry' from a particular project is so vital and the b.... diaa Rural Fuelwood Plantations'. In loss which we have to suffer is very minimal. additioD. Central assistance at a minimum The areas which have got some special ofl 10% of NREP allocations, amounting to variety of forests 81 e not to to be disturbed. R.s. 212.00 lakhs was earmarked during the The eco .. system should not be disturbed. year for the social forestry programme. We are taking every step, and our forest policy is forest conservation, and Dot forest (b) A Social Forestry PrOject is being degradation, for the sake of any project. implemented from 1984·8S with World Bank assistance. Under this, KeraJa State MR. SPEAKER: The Question Hour will be eligible to get from Government of . is over. lDdi. additional. Plan assistance of about i\s. 26 ctores. 31 MAR.CH 12, 1986 W,'lte1t .4",we" 32

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI B.R. BHAGAT): (a) and [English] (b) Yes, Sir. I paid official visits to Iran, Kuwait and Bahrain in the second week of Schemes for use of Forest LllDd iD Mabara9htra January., 1986.

*245. SHRI D. B. PA TIL: Will the (c) I visited Iran from January 11-12 for PRIME MIN1STER be pleased to state: the third session of the Indo-Iran Point Commission. At the end of my de1iberatiop~ (a) the number of Maharashtra there) I signed the Agreed Minutes of Joint Government proposals for use of forest land Commission with the Foreign Minister of for Don·forest purposes pending with Union Iran. A Cultural Exchange Programme Government for sanction ; between India and Iran tor 1986-88 was also signed durin~~ the visit. No agreements were signed during my visits to Kuwait or (b) whether it is a fact that because of Bahrain. non-sanctioning of these proposals within reasonable time, important development scheme are being held up and general (d) All topics of bilateral interest development of the stat.: is being bampered covering spheres of t:conomic and industrial and cooperation, trade, cuJtural, scientific and technical cooperation were discussed and the (c) if so, the steps Government mutually agreed conclu.:;ions were recorded propose to take to dispose of the'ie peuJmg in the Minutrs. The Cultural Exchange proposals at the earliest? Programme hel ween Jndia and ]ron Ja}'s down specific agreed decisions aimed at promoting cultural relations betwe.:n the two THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI countrtes. RAllV GANDHl) : (a) Eight.

(b) No. Sir. Achievements of Antaret iea MissioD~

*252. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI : WiJj (e) Final decisions on pending propo­ the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: sals will be taken as soon as information or clarifications sought from the State Government are received. (a) the extent of success achieved in its objectives by the Antarctica Mission·•

(b) whether the last Expedition hfld Agreements witb Middle East Countries reportedly polluted the area on leaving ,• and

*246. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Will (e) the positive gains achieved so far by the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be these Missions? pleased to state : THE PRJ ME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV (a) whether he vi9ited Middle East GAND~ I): (a) Major objectives of. the countries in January. 1986 ; Antarcbc expediti~ns have been to set up a base for opperatloDS in Anta t' d 'd . f rc lea an prov) e m rastructure for sCl'ent'fj h I C rescare • (b) if so, tbe names of tbe countries These have been achieved and . t'ft . " SClen 1 c visited; studIes are belDg IntensiveJy conducted in the fields ~f meteorologY9 biology, geology, (c) whether any agreements have been geO_P~~SlCS .and oceanOarapby. Infrastructure signed with tbose countries; and facilities Include Jivjng accommbd ti laboratory fa~ilities and communicationalj:;~ bot~ by satellite and High Frequency between f d) if s (), til~ details tbereof ? India and ADtarctica. PHALGUN~ 21, 1901 (SAKA) Writt~n Anlwer8 34

(b) No Sir. THE PRIME MlNISTER (SHRI RAJ IV GANDHI): (a) There is no com· (c) India'5 accomplishments in Antarctica prehensive and repeat· survey rOl the country have been acknowledged and appreciated by as a whole to provide precise estimate of all the Antarctic Treaty countries. By virtue wasteland. According to information given of its work in Antarctica, India has been in the various reports including tbat of admitted as a Consultative Party to the National Commission on Agriculture (1976), Antarctic Treaty and as a full member of National Committee on Backward Area Development (1981) and Rasbtriya Barh Ayog Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research. (1980)t an overa]) estimate is that an area of Information obtained by India in the field of meteorology, biology, geology, geophysics about 175 million hectares in the country is and oceanography is being exchanged with affected by the problem of soil erosion and land degradation. other countr ies.

(b) The State-wise break-up of 175 milli('n hectares is not available. RevisioD of Rules Governlag Central Government Employees (c) A statement is given below. *254. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Statement state : • The Action Plan drawn up by the (a) whether the Government have decided National Wastelands Development Board to redraft the service rules relating to leave. for the development of wastelands for imple­ discipline and pension of Central Government me?tation by all the State Governmentsl Unlon Territories inc1uding Madhya Pradesh staff; and has tbe following key elementq :-

(b) if so, the details thereof 1 I. IDENTIFICATION OF WASTE­ LANDS: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL. PUBLIC The State Government/Union Territory ORIBVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI has been requested to identify waste­ P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b) Govern­ lands in their territory whether they be ment bave been reviewing various aspects of in forest area, revenue/common lands tbe service rules relating to leave, discipline or degraded farQl lands. and pensoion on an on-going basis whenever there is need for it or proposals are received 2. PEOPLB'S JNVOL VEMENT in tbis regard. This will be ensured by tbe following measures:

Development of Wastelaocl (a) Deeentralised Nurseries: People's nurseries i. e. kisans. schools. *25S. KUMARJ pUSHPA DEVI : Will wome~, youth groups, voluntary tbe PRIMB MINISTER be pleased to state: agenCIes, etc., will be motivated to meet the increased demand of (a) whether Government have made any seedlings_ estimate of the total wasteland in the country; '(b) Farm Forestry: Farmers will be motivated to take up tree farming (b) if so. State-wise details; and on their marginal Jands and planting on their field buDds. A (c) tbe acbemc prepared for the develop· r~~ional . policy in '-regard to ment of wasteland in tbe couotry ,i.. pneral d.stributlon of seed1io,~ sh.uld an' Madbya Pradesb ill ,partic:ular 7 be evolved. 35 Wrlt'~n Answer' MARCH 12, 1986

(c) Tree Growers' Cooperatl,es: as to enable them to srow trees on a Tree Growers' cooperatives should remunerative basis. The State Govern­ be organised with the involve­ ments have been requested to draw ment of farmers in raising and up ,uideUncs for the lease of waste­ distribution of seedlings and in lands to industries in this behalf. tree plantations.

AND (d) Voluntary Agencies: The grass­ 7. URBAN FUELWOOD GREEN BELTS: roots agencies, Mabila Mandala. Youth groups would also be motivated in nursery raising and The States/UTs. have been requested tree plantations. to ensure tbat towns and cities have areen belts of fuel wood and fodder plantations to cater to the urban (e) Tree Pattas: Strips of land fuelwood and fodder needs .. along roads, rails. canals, etc., and other degraded land sbould be given to (he rural poor, with 8. DEGRADED FORESt AREAS: usufruct rights on the trees planted by them 00 such lands. States have been requested to identify degraded forest lands and to reforest them with fue)wood and fodder NODAL AGENCY : species. The State/U.T. Governments have been requested to identify a single 9. FOREST DEVELOPMENT COR­ nodal agency for ensuring an integrated PORATIONS: approach for the imp1ementation of the programme which is being executed The Forest Developmt:nt Corporations hy different agencies, official and should obtain wastelands 00 lease otherwise. from the Governments for rai,iol fuelwood and fodder plantations. SEED: 10. GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS: The States!UTs. have been requested to extend the scope of operation of Government Departments, pu~1ic the existing State Seed Corporations sector undertakings and other bodiesl to include the production and supply institutions having substantial areas of fodder, grass and legume seeds to of unutilised Jands must bring sucb farmers on commercial basis. land under tree coveT.

LEASING OF LI\NDS : 11. MEDIA AND COMMUNICATION: The State/Vr. Governments have been requested to prepa re guidelines for A massive publicity campaign tbrouah lea~in~ of forest and non-forest the traditional media of Calk art and wastelands for afforestation to tbe culture, radio, television aod other rural poor. audio visual aids should be undertaken to create awareness amoDg the masse••

FOREST BASED INDUSTRIES: 12. MONITORING AND EVALUATION: Must be encouraged to afforest wastelands to produce tbe raw material Tbe State/U.T. Governments should needed by them. Industries must also evolve appropriate rr.onitorina and be enthused to raise tree cover on ovalution mecbanism to sensure qualita- wastelands with a view to provide tive implementation of the prOiramtnO. employment to the rural poor as well PHALGUNA 21, 1901 (SAKA) Writ/en Ansliers 38

lacentlYtl to Attract best Trainer Talent (ii) The head of the training institution on may be given a sumpl uary ·256.. SHRI P. R. KUMARA· allowance of Rs. 250/- per month. MANGALAM: Will the PRIME ~1INISTER be pleased to state ! (iii) Other things being equal, those who have had a Successful tenure on the (a) whether a new work culture in the faculty of training institutions may administration is proposed to be infused be given preference in matters like through a package of incentives to attract promotion. best trainer talent for administrative training institution. as reported in the Times of Lndia (iv) On completion of his tenure witb dated 13th February, 1986 ; the training institution, the Depart­ ment concerned would arrange for the next posting of the faculty (b) if so, the details of the proposal; men1 ber according to one of three and options exercised b, him.

(c) whether the proposal is to be (v) Each child of the member extended to all trainer talent in various other of the faculty continuing his professional jn~titutions ? education at a Centre other than the place of the training institution THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE should be given leave travel COD­ MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC cess.ion twice a year, to be able to GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI join his parents. P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. (vi) Each training institution should (b) The details are given in the State­ draw up a programme for construc­ ment below. ting adequate number of residential quarters for housing its faculty (c) The package of incentives bas been members. Til1 then, the possibility drawn up only in respect of the faculty of of aJlotment of houses from General training institutions. training central civil Pool or hiring accoInmodation on service personnel. However, tbe Chief Minis­ Government account and renting it ters have also been addressed commending to faculty members may b~ made. the guide lines for adoption in State Training (vii) The incentive scheme will take Institutions. effect from 1 January, 1986.

Statement (viii) The incentive schenle would cover the training institutions meant for Group fA' officers in the beginning The details of the incentives to be and wilJ be gradually extended to extended to the faculty of tbe training insti­ training institutions meant for the tutions under the control of different other Groups of officers. Ministries/Departments to attract tbe best tra iner talent, are summarised below: Training Imparted to Extremists In Canada's EaKle Combat and Body·Guard Training (i) The emoluments of faculty members School other tban permanent faculty members may be raised by 30" of *257. SHRI P. M. SA YEED: Will their total emoluments (including the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be direct and indirect monetary bene­ pleased to refer to the reply given to fits) waite posted in tbe field. The Unstarred QUestion No. 2 07 answered on pay /special pay of permanent faculty the 4th Decem ber, 1985 regarding operation members should also be cohauced of terrorists trajoinl school in Canada aD4 OD .i~iI.r liDea, t.O leato :' 39 Written AnJwt" MARCH 12. 1986

(a) whether Government have ascertained (d) if so. the action taken in tbis regard further findings as a result of the investi~ so far? gations conducted by the Canadian authorities ; THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT): (a) (b) whether it is a fact that some Indians Government is in constant touch with inter­ indulging in terrorist activities received national bodies such as the U.N. Commission training in the "Eagle Combat and Body­ on Narcotic Drugs, lepO/INTERPOL Heads Guard Training Scbool" operating in Canada; of National Narcotics Law Enforcement and Agencies, etc., with a view to evolving adequate measures to control, while in transit, the trafficking in narcotic drugs. (c) whether such persons have been identified and if so, tbe details about them and the action taken by Government in this (b) Indian has been closely cooperating rqard ? with international agencies Dot only in regard to qu,ck transmission of information on THE MlNISTER OF EXTERNAL smugglers. but also on the preparation of a draft ConventiOn on Illicit Traffic of drugs. AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT): (8) be in the The Canadian Government have informed India will also participating Minis­ terial level International Conference on Drug us that concerned Canadian agencies bave JHicit be completed their detailed investigation. The Abuse and TrafIicking sche:.iuled to held in 1987 in Vienna. findings of these investigations will be made available to the Government of lndia as sooo as their report is finalised. (c) No, Sir.

(b) and (c) Government of India have (d) Does not arise. conveyed 1heir concern to the Canadian Government at the possibility of those Prov i:!lion of Adequate Funds for Hill trained in the Roy Maia school indulging in terrorist activities directed against India and Area Development Programme beve requested information of the personal particulars of those who have been trained in *259. SHRI VIROHI CHANDER the Roy Maia School. The response of tbe JAIN: Will the Minister of PLANNING Canadian authorities in this regard is awaited. be pleased to state :

(a) whether under the Special Regional l Trausla lio'11 Development Programme, Union Govern­ ment have made provision of adequate funds for drinking water. roads, education. fuel Traffjeking of Narcotic Drugs and fodder for "Hill Area Deve]opment Programme. whereas no provision bas been *258. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : made for these items under the Desert Will tbe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Deve)opmtnt Programme ; be pleased to stat~ : (b) whether these problems of desert (a) whetber Government have taken any areas are similar to those of hill areas and steps at international level 80 far to control to sdme extent more acute·, and trafficking in narcotic drugs;

(c) jf so, whether Union Government (b) if so, the deta Us thereof ; propose to increase the amount of Rs. 245 crores provided in the Seventh Five .Year .' (c) whether the U. K. or any other Plan for Desert Development Programme country bas made any offer to the Govern­ ~nd ,also include the aforesaid items keeping ment of India to take joint initiative to 10 view tbe area and population 'there as control traffickins in narcotic druls ; and compared to that of hill arc.. ? 41 Wrl,ten Anlwers PHALGtiNA 21, 1907 (SAK

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE stepped up by over 250 per cent during tI.e MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI Seventh Plan as compared to the Sixth Plan, A. K. PANJA): (a) Yes, Sir. Provision the provision cannot be increased further. for water, roads, education etc. in the desert areas are made from the State Plan. [ E",IJ,h]

(b) The problems of desert areas are Setting up of Environmental Courts different' from those' of the Hill areas. *260. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: (c) No. Sir. A statement is gi~en SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: below. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

Statement (a) whether there is any proposal under the consideration of Government for setting The Desert D~velopment Programme up of environmental courts on regional basis aims at con(toHing tbe aeute desert conditions in view of growing litigation over environ .. in the hot and cold arid zones Jf the menta) pofJution ; country. The schemes under this programme are specially designed to redress the (b) if so, the details thereof; and imbalances arisin~ out of its prevailing geographical conditions and these schemes (c) the time by which such courts are include fuel and fodder plantation. likely to be set up ?

The aforesaid programme is comple­ THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI mentary to other on-going programmes in RAJ IV GANDHI): (a) to (c) In a recent the State Plan which provides for schemes judgement, Supreme Court suggested that for ~ocjo·economic growth and infrastructure since cases involving issues of environmenfal development like drinking water, roads and pol1ution, ecological destruction and conflicts education. over natural resources are increasingly coming up for adjudicat;on and as these In case such schemes are included within cases involve assessment and evaluation of the scope of the Desert Development scientific and technical data. it might be Programme, its objective of controlling acute desirable to set up Environmental Courts desert conditions would be diluted and it on regional basis with one peofessional judge would become less effective. and two experts drawn from the Ecological Sciences Research Group Keeping in view The Government of India, with the the nature of the cases and the expertise approval of the National Development required for its adjudication. This suggestion Council (NDe), has changed tbe pattern of is under examination. assistance under the Desert Development Programme from ~O-50 cost sharing between the Centre and the States to 100% Central Special As~istaDte to Writers Working assistance in the Seventh Five Year Plan for "'elfare or Tribals (1985--90) thereby providing financial relief. to tbe states who can invest the funds -261. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN : so released on schemes for infrastructure Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased development and socio-economic growth in to state' : the desert areas. (a) whether Government propose to give special assistance to those writers and The provision under this progr~ mme is journalists who are working exclusively for Rs. 24~ crores for the Seventh Plan period (1985-90) as against tbe: Sixth Plan pro­ the development of tribals ; and vl$ion of about Rs. 95 erores. Since the oatlay for tbis prosramme has already beea (b) if 10, tbe details thereof 1 MARCH 12!t 1986 ~rilten A.nswers 44

THE MINISTER UF STATE OF THE (b) whether during (be same period MINlST" Y OF WELfcARE (DR. letters were issued by the Director, CMERI RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAJ): (8) and TO ADDA for allotting Jands for tho same (b) No, Sir. The Ministry, howt:ver, provide purpose to a handful of persons ; and grant·in-aid to voluntary organisations taking up programme for the development of sche- (c) if so. tbe reasons therefor? duled tribes. lhe Ministry also awards fellow­ ships to scholars registered in recognised lHE MJNISTER OF STATE IN THE universities for doctoral and post-doctoral MINISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND courses to encourage in·depth ~tudy on TECHNOLOGY AND IN lHE DEPART. sodo~economic problems of tribal people MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, and tribal areas. Publication assistance to ATOMIC ENERGY. ELEC1RONICS AND suitable literature on tribal development SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V PATIL): and financial assistan(;~ to research (a) In his capacity as its Chairman, the organisalions for undertakmg research and Director, C~1ERI. barred collection of funds evaluation studies are also given. by tbe Secretary of the Cooperati\le Credit S\,ciety for setting up a Housing Cooperative Society since tben: w.tls no consent from tbe Visit of Minister of ExterDal Affairs to U.S.A. Board of Directors of tbat Society. *202. PROF. K. K. TEWAkY : (b) aod (c) Some apPlications by groups ~HRI B. V. DESAI: Will the of staff who hau formed indh,idual Minister of EXTERNAL Afl:AJRS be Cooperative Housing Societies, were pleased to state : forwaIded to Asansol-Durgapur Development Authority by the Director for consideration. (a) whether he vIsited the United States The consent of the Board of Directors was of America rocently and had wlue·raoging not needed in their cases. discussions with the U.S. authorities; and Fore~t \ Conservation) Act (b) if so, the subj~cts discussed and 2405. SHRI R. M. BHOYE: Will the outcome thereof '1 the PRIME MJNISTER be pkased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that State THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL Government have expressed certa n opera­ AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGA 1): (a) tional difficulties' in the present structure of Yes, Sir. the Forest (Conservation) Act, ]Y80 and asked for delegation of powers to them in (b) The discussions covered various keeping with modern management methods ,• and . subjects of common interest in the bilateral, resional and international heJds. They have (b) if so, tbe details regarding tbe enhanced understanding and wilJ promote difficulties being experienced and the reaction cOoperation to mutual benefit. of Union Government in this regard ?

Allotment of Land to Cooperative Credit THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB Sodety CM~Rlt Durgapur MINISTRY OF ENVJRONMl:.NT AND FO.kESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): 2404. SHRI R. P. DAS: Will the (a) and (b) A few State Governments bave expressed the feeJjng that there should be a PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state; provision under the Forest (Conservation) Act. 1980 for delegation of powers to the (a) whether the initiation by Central States. However, the delay is mainly due Mecbanical Engineenng Research Institute to tbe submission or incomplete propo~als Co· operative Credit Soci~ty for laods from by the State Governmt:nts and the deJay in Asansol DUf&apUf Development Authority replying tbe queries wade 10 this resaId by for bouse buildioa purposes to tbe members the Central Government. AI such a of the society was stopped by tbe Director, delegation of powers UDder the said A~t i, (.;MERI in 1981 .. ~J ; pot doomed Doccssary. PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (SAKA) Wrltlell AnJwers 46

TfCbnkally QuallO .. d Manpower in (b) The estimated targets required for Compoterlsed Electronics technica1Jy qualified manpOwer in tbis field during the Seventh Five Year Plan are; 2406. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 1) Ph.D 4~O atate : 2) M. Tech. 6000 (a) the number of technically qualified manpower in the fields of computerised 3) B. Tech. 6000 electronics which is available at present in the country ; 4) Master in computer 8000 Applications (MCA) (b) the details regarding the targets required for technically qualified manpower 5) Diploma in Computer 30000 in tbis field during the Seventh Five Year Applications (DCA) Plan; and 6) Diploma in Computer 3000 Engineering (DeE) (c) the steps taken to make it available through training to the personnel in tbis 7) Certificate Courses 30000 field? (c) A Statement is given below. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND IN THB DEPART­ Statement MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRJ SHI \/RAJ V. PATIL): Stt'p'i tak~n 10 meet the req;llrement of (a) The estimated number of technically computer manpower during 7th Fil'e qualified manpower availabJe in the field of Year Plan computers with Degree/Diploma in computer discipline is 1,000. In addition, there are about 2000 people who have learnt The estimated requirements of computer computers as part of their curriculum in manpower during 1985 --90 and the output other disciplines. from the exis ting programmes is as under:

Ph. D. M. Tech. B. Tech. MeA DCA DCE Vocational Courses.

Estimated 450 6000 6000 8000 30000 3000 30000 requirements.

Output from 60 1300 3100 1800 7000 400 2700 existing prOlrammes.

In order to reduce tbe gap of availability (I) I Yr. Post Graduate Diploma In Computer of manpower, Department of Electronics bas ApplicQllon~ (DCIf) initiated a number of programmes jointly with UGC/Ministry of Human Resource This programme is being carried out Development and Directorate Genera I of jointly with University Grants CommiSSion. Employment and Trainiol. The main Already 32 Universities have been covered pro,rammes are as under : under tbis Pro,ramme, 47 Written tf",wetl MARCH 12, 1986 Written. A",wers 48

(II) One &. Half year POlt Polyt~r.h"'c Diploma Any plan to expand tbe education base in Computer Applications (DCA) : for computers is faced with two major constraints namely (i) shortage of teachers This programme is being carried out and (H) long gestation period of training. jointly with Ministry of Human Resource 10 view of this, it may not be possible to Development. The programme has so far meet fully the requirements especially at been initiated in 25 polytechnics. Another doctorate and higher engineering level. nine polytechnics are being considered to be covered under this programme. An important element of tbe strategy of the Department of Electronics is to increase (iii) One & Half Yea's POll Graduatt' /)ip/oma the faculty base which will have multiplier effect on the output of computer educated In Computer Applications in Hindi Medium: personnel. Further a Dumber of schemes for in-service training, evening courses and So for 8 centres have been supported short-term courses are being planned. Use for this programme. of audio-visual techniques, computer aided instruct ions and television network for (Iv) B. Tech: imparting training in the areas of computers is also bein~ examined. Department of So far nearly 25 centres are conducting Electronics is also considering participation B. Tech degree course in computers. Another of pub He and private sector organisations, 3 centres have teen supported this year. large industrial houses etc in meeting part of the requirement especially at the lower level of computer education. (v) M. Tech: Education in general and technical 12 centres are already conducting M. education in particular being mostly the l'ech programme in computers. responsibility of State Governments and to some extent that of the Union Ministries of (vI) 3 Yrl. POll Graduate Masler in Compuur Human Resource Deve]opment and Labour, Applications (MeA) : Department of Electronics discussed the above programmes with the States, Union This programme is jointly supported by Territory administrations and the concerned Department of Electronics and University Union Ministries of HRD and Labour in a Grants Commission/Ministry of Human meeting caned by Department of Electronics Resource Development. 20 centres have on November 14, 198'. At tbis meeting the already been covered under this programme. State Governments and Union Territories were requested to draw up crash programmes for meeting tbe gaps in requirement of (vII) Vocational Courses: computer educated personnel. While the centre could provide them export advice and This programme at tbe level of ITI guidelines for plannjn~, implementation etc., (Industrial Training Institute), provides one the State Governments aDd Union Territories year Isix mOf:.ths courses in the application were requested to arrange their own financial of computers. This is a joint programme resources except for some seed money from with DGET. Already 13 institutes have the Centre. been covered and another 7 are being added under this programme. SC/ST St.deDts In Salalk Schools In addition to the above, DOB has 2407. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA : supported programmes for co~tinu~ng SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: education, diploma in computer cngmeerlDg Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased .' maintenance and teachers training courses. to state:

(a) the number of Sainik Scl1oo~s i~ The above programmes will be expanded the country and tbe number of students in to more centres in tbe COroiDI yoan_ eacb school ; PHALOUNA 21 t 1907 (S~KA)

(b) tbe number of students belonaiD8 (c) For ~admissioD to tSainik Schools, to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in 15% of the Beats are reserved for b01l each School ; and belonging to Scheduled Caltes and 7 i% for Scheduled Tribes. No minimum quaUr,iDa (c) tbe details or concessions being marks have been prescribed for admiuioo liven to Scheduled Caste and Scheduled of boys belonling to scheduled CastesjTribea Tribe candidates for admission and after and they are admitted OD tbe basis of their admission in the Sainik Schools ? inter-so merit as evidenced at the entrance exa~inatjoD/iDtervjow .

THE MINISmR OF STATB IN THB DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN Some State Governments bave adopted SINGH): and (b) There are 18 Sainik Scbools In tbe country_ Scbool-wise liberal norms (or grant of scholarships to strength as also tbe numbor of students students beloDging to Scheduled Calt.' beloDliog to Scheduled Castes and Scbeduled Tribes. Tribes as on 31.1.1986 are liveD in the statement below. 51 Written A",we,., MARCH '1~ 1986 W,tlt~. ,4"""", 52

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Progress or Sehemes for Tribal Development tbe efforfs of Bihar Government bas been in Bihar increased from Rs. 69.35 crOfes during Sixth Plan to Rs. 95.89 crores during Seventh 2408. SYED SHAHABUDDIN: Will Plan. tbe Minister of WELFARE he pleased to state : Clearance to Nagarajuna and Godavari (a) the progress in the implementation Fertilisers and Chemicals Ltd. of various schemes for tribal devtlopment in the tribal districts of Bibar under the 2409. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ:: WHI Sixth Five Year Plan; the PRIME M'1NISTER be"plcased to state:

(b) tbe schemes included in the Se .. enth (a) Whether Nagarjuna Fertilisers and Five Year Plan and the allocations and Chemicals Ltd. and Godawari Fertilisers targets under each scheme ; and and Cbemicals have been cleared by tte Ministry of Environment and Forests for (c) the strateg) chalked out by Govern­ manufacture of Fertilisers, etc; and ment to arrest or nullify the rising discontenment among tbe tribals in·Bibar ? (b) if so, whether environmental guidelines kept in view whi1e giving such THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE clearance? MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOl\fANGO): (a) Out of a total amount of J

I (b) During Seventh Five Year Plan (be State Government proposed to earmark 2410. SaRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will about Rs. 1239.68 crores for tbe Tribal the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: sub· Plan areas out of total State outlay of Rs. 5100 crores. This is exclusive of the (a) whether erosion is increaSing every SeA. A total No. of 4.59 lakh tribal year due to deforestation in the country ; families are proposed to be assisted under 'various family ben 'ficiary schemes. The (b) whether Government consider for main schemes involving tribal development ate under Agriculture and Allied Sectors afforestation to all river banks, small or big in the country ; including Minor Irrigation, Cooperation. Water and Power Development, Industries and Minerals, Transport and Communication (c) if so, details of tbe programmes; Education, Health and HOllsing. and

(c) Development activities have heeD (d) if not, the reasons therefor? '\111 tens ified by tbe StJte Government particularly for redressal of forest arievances, THB MINISTER OF STATB IN THE providiog drinking water, primary education, MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND medical and fair price sbop facilities. FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a~ S"_ial Ceatr.l Aa.sistaQCfI for 8UppJomOlltiDI Yea, Sir. 5$ Wrlltitl A.~." MARCH 12, 1986

(b) .nd (c) Available lands on river Industries are beiDa eDcouraaed to banka which aro fit for plantations. are afforest non-forest wastelands distant frem beiDa aradually afforested under various habitation and to promote forestry 00 afforestation and soil conservation schemes. degraded farmland to meet tbeir raw Aerial seedling for afforestation has also material needs as well as, wherever possible, been carried out in the Cbambal ravines. local communit), needs.

(d) Tbe question does Dot arise. PreHn_tloa on E.'IrOD.... t ud Ecological Baluee ID Rural A.... ~ltorlDa ... E,al.atioD of Sodal 2412. PROF. NARAIN CHAND FOreltr'~ PARASHAR: Will tbe PRIME MINISTBil be pleased to state : 2411. SHRI K. PRADHANJ: DR. B. L. SHAILBSH : wbetber Government have any preservation of environment and ccoloaical proposal under consideration to develop an balance in tbe rural areas specially amODS operational guide for monitoring and the farmers and those whose livinl is based evaluation of the social forestry programme on forestry ; and to prevent mass-scale deforestation of the (b) if so, a brief outline of the steps country particularly to caution tbe paper, taken during the Sixth Five Year Plan and pulp and allied industries that tbe forestry the steps proposed to be taken during tbe department would be unable to provide raw Seventh rive Year Plan? material Indefinitely ; THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THB (b) if so, details thereof; and MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) (a) (c) how is it proposed to be imple­ Yes, Sir. mented to save the country·s forest wealth' (b) A statement is given below: THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) Statemeat Government propose to develop an operational guide for the monitoring and Various steps taken during the Sixtb evaluation of tbe afforestation proaramme. Five Year Plan and proposed to be continued during the Seventh Five Year Plan include: (b) The Guide would help monitoring 1. Involvement of farmers in rural areas prOltess of items like production of seedlings on larac scale in tree planting activity (both departmental as wen as through throup tbe ongoing social forestry decontralised nurseries), distribution for projects. national rural emplo),mont plaDtioB, survival rate, utilisation of funda, proaramme and rW'allandleas employ. tree patta scheme and participation of industries in the national programme of ment guarantee programme. afforestation of wastelands. 2. Involvement of fringe population and forest dwellen in harvesting of timber (0) The monitoriDg and evaluation is and fuelwood, collection and pr~. Etroposed fb be implemented through the aiDg of minor forest produce. State/U.T. Administrations, working primarily through tbe Departments of Forests 3. Employment of rural poor at\d aad Rural Development, a. also throuah tribals in forest areas and forest Don-Iovernmeatal ollanilatloDs (primarily frinsos in all developmoatal activities for domoo.tratic extension and trainilll as coDnected with afforestation. loil well a8 for involviDa local communiti.. ). CODICrvatio~ and their maiD"..... PHALGUNA 2t. 1907 (SAKA) Written Anlwerj S8

4. Some States have adopted the THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL procedure of sale of fuelwood, poles AFFAJRS (SHRI B. R. BHA(JAl): India etc. from depols at concessiona) rates bas close cultural, industrial and f.tcbnoJo@ical to reduce the pressure of fringe relations with the Scapdinavian c:ountries, population on forests arising from including NOlway. There are a [ltmter of illicit fuel wood gathering. As a agreements between India and NOlway such measure of conservation of fuel wood as Cultural Agreement. Memorardum of in rural areas to reduce tbe pressure Understanding in the field of electronics. or forests, fuel-efficient chulas are Memorandum of Understandirg in the field being distributed amongst the rural of environment. India is also the recepient farmers under different programmes of aid and technical assistance from Norway, of the Government. The Crown Prince of NOf\\ay accompanied by Princess Sonja raid an official visit to S. Efforts are being made to popularise India from 1st to 10th February, 1986. It alternative sources of fuelwood like is expected that the visit will lead of furtheJ biogas. soJar energy. kerosene etc. to strengthening of the close cooperatio[ reduce the. pressure on the forests. between India and Norway.

Computerlsation to Jmpro~e Efficiency 6. Extension activity to raise the level of Public Servants of consciousness for preservation of the environment &nd forests. 2414. SHRI P. R. KUMARA MANGALAM : Wil1 the PRIM] MINISTER be pleased to state: 7. The rural farmers are an identified target group for intensive extension for adoption of tree farming on (a) whether 1he National InfoJrnatil marginal an sub-marginal agricultural Centre (NIC) has developed considerab lands under the ongoing social forestry information aod expertise and are cODversir projects in the States. with many Ministries; and

(b) if so, the details thereof and futu] 8.. Organisation of eco-development plan for inlproving the productivity of publ camps focussing on environmental servants acd better and more accura activities and themes involving youth evaluation and coptro) ? . and students. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Tli 9. Support to seminars, symposia, work· MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AN shops and conferences on a variety of TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPAR': subjects dealing with integrated MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMEN' development with a view to create ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AN awareness for tbe preservation of SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) environment. (a) and (b) Yes, Sir. National Infonnati Centre has been providing following servj, 10. Production of films and audio-visuals. to various Ministries/Departments Government of India :- 11. Setting up of centres for non-formal environmental education programmes. j) ':fo conduct feasibility studies J developing computer based Mana ment Information Systems (MIS) RelatloD with Scandinavian Countries ii) To design, develop and implem, 2413. DR. B. L. SHAILESH: Will the MIS: and tbe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAJRS be pleased to state: steps beiog taken to iii) To provide computer based faciJi! establish more closer cultural, industrial and to tbe Government Departments tochDoloSica1 relations with the Scandinavian make use of tbe MIS developed QOUDtrios particularJ), Norway ? NatJODIllDforma'igs CeDtre. MARca 12, 1986 59 Wrlt'~11 Answer. (c) There is a Management Plan to The Information Systems developed by control human activities ill Sundarbans. All N(C for Government are in the areas such forestry operations in the r~serve have been 'nance Financial Resources, Energy, as F1 ' S ' . stopped. Tbis programme receives Cenhal Agriculture and ,Vater Pla.nning, tatlstlCS, assisrance under the Projrct Tiger Scheme. IndustrY, Commerce, Urban Developroen.t. Health. Human Resources and Traosp~rt.g Transfer of Jurisdidlon of fort of Mallaranl In these areas information Syst~~s are bel,n Jhansi Laxmibai progressively dtveloped for aSSistlng effectl~e planning and control by the Department ID 2416. SHRI G. M. BANATWALA: their respective areas. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: Ecological Conditions of Sunderbans (a) whether the historical fort of 2415. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Maharani Jhansi Laksbmibai has been trans­ Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ferred from the jurisdiction of the Defence state : Ministry to the Government of U.P. ; (a) what steps are bei~~ taken to (b) if so, since wben ; and imp:ove the ecological condltlons in the Sunderbans area in West Bengal; (c) reasons for the same and the terms of transfer? (b) whether any plan has been formu­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ated in this behalf; and DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE (c) if so, its broad outlines and manner RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI Ind mode for implementation '1 ARUN SINGH): (a) to (c) Government sanction has ~een issued for the transfer of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE t~e historical Fort of Maharani Jhansi along 1INlSTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND with apPUltenant land (50 acres) to the ;ORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): Archaeological Survey of India for being maintained as a National Monument. (a) 1. A national park for protection of wildlife in Sundarbans has already GoveJnment have also agreed to grant been established. lease for 45 acres of land and transfer 5 acres of land to the State Government of 2. 2585 sq. kl11. wilh ) 330 sq. km · Uttar Pradesh for beautification and lands­ 1 core area of Sundarban Nationa ca~ing in accordance with the approved plan. Park constitutes one of the 15 Tiger Thl~ transfer of land will be in exchange of Reserves of India under Project equlvalent value of Jand to the Ministry of Tiger Scheme of the Government. Defence.

3. It is further proposed to include Composition or National Wasfelands Sundarbans in the network Of Development Board Biosphere Reserves in India fOr conservation of biological diversity 2417. SHRIM4TI MADHUREE • SINGH: Will the PRIME MINISTER be Research is being undertaken to pleased to state the composition of the 4. d National Wasteland Development Board 1 understand the structure an functioning of the Sundarban THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mangrove ecosystem particu~arly to MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND evaluate the impact of man-mduced FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): Tbe stresses such as fisheries, agric?lture, composition of tbe National Wastelands dear-felling, tourism etc. with, an Development Board as notified in the objective to develop conservat~on Government of India Ministry of Environ­ strategies based on sound ecological ment and Forests Resolution No. 7-22/85- principles • FRY (P) dated the 7th May, 19i5 il .. follem :- (b) YOl. Sir. PHALGUNA 21, 1907 -(SAKA)

Dr. (Mrs.) Kamla Chowdhry Chairperson Chairman, Advisory Board on Energy Member Three Members of Parliamcnt Members

Secretaries to the Government of India in the Members Departments of :

-Agriculture and Cooperation -Rural Development -Environment

Secretary, Finance (Expenditure) Member (Finance)

Secretary, Department of Agriculture Research Member and Education and Director General, Indian Council of Agricultural Research.

Special Secretary (Forests Wildlife) and, & Member Inspector General of Forests.

Reperesentatives of Voluntary Agencies, Members Cooperative Institutions, etc. (not exceeding six) to be nominated by the Chairperson of the Board in consultation with the concerned agency.

Secretary, Department of Forests and Wildlife. ... ~ember-Secretary .

Inclusion of more PopulatioD In Tribal (b) to (d) Does not arise. In Bihar 41 sub· plan Area in Bihar pockets of tribal concentration (MADA) covering 2~338 villages having a scheduled 12418. SHRI SALAH UDDIN : Will the tribe population of about 4.99 Iakhs were Minister of WELF ARE be pleased to state: carved out during the Sixth PJan period. During the Seventh Plan period, the State have been advised to' identify clusters of (a) whether any guidelines had been tribal concentration in an area having a total issued to the Government of Bihar to include population of 5,000 and a tribal concent­ more Tribal population in the Subf)l~n area ration of fifty percent or more. So far no under modified Area Development Approach proposal has been received. (MADA):

(b) if so, the criteria being adopted for RadIo actlv. Miaeral and Hea,y. wat ... tbis purpose ; in Slkklm

2419. SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI: " (c) tbe' number of additional scbeduled Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to tribe people included in sub-plan area under state :

MAllA ; and I : , ' " " I" (a) whether it is fact that' radio . ;) (4) the details thereof ? active minerals/Heavy water are found in Sikkim; and ,THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE WBLFAR~, M.INISTRY OF (SHRI (b) if SOt what measures Government G1RIDHAR aOMANGO) :

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the number of persons in Union MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND Territories against whom action bas beeD TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART­ taken under tbe Water (Prevention and MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT Control of Pollution) Act during tbe last ATOMIC ENERGY, EL'ECTRONICS AND three years to date: SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATJL): (a) Radioactive uranium bearing minerals have (b) tbe number of rersoD5 punisbed so been noticed during tbe geological explora­ far; and tion and surveys in some rocks in the Legship - Mamring - Gompa-Keozing-Tarku (c) the number of persons acquitted by tract in West and South Sikkim district and the court and the num ber of cases still in RODgoli-Rhenock area of East Sikkim, pending in the courts in tbis connectioD ? district. Heavy water as such is not found in natural conditions. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) (b) Based on geological favollfa bilitY Action has been taken againlt forty factors, the radioactive anomalies located in industries. Sikkim have been givea a lower priority and surveys have therefore been shifted to other high priority investigations elsewhere in (b) There has been DO conviction in respect of the cases instituted so far. How­ India. ever. direction bas been issued by ~ the courts in respect of thirty industries t(' set up tbe Setting up of Indian COUDCi) of Forestry treatment plant within a time limit prescribed Research by tbe court.

2420. DR. O.S. RAJHANS : Will the (c) There has been·'no acquittal by tbe PRIME MINISTER be ple~sed to state: court so far. Ten cases are pending in tbe court. (a) whether there is a proposal under tbe consideration of Government to set up an [English] Indian Counicil of Forestry Research in the country; Meeting of Natloaa. IDt",ratloa CouacIl 2422. SYED SHAHABUDDIN : Will (b) if so, full details in this regard ; and the minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased (c) the purpose behind setting up of such to state: council ? (a) tbe present composition and term of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the National Intesration Council ;

MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND I" FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI): (a) to (c) (b) tbe dates on ~wbich it bas met durin, The Government are CDIlsideriog proposals its current term for reorganisation of forestry researcb in the (c) the prosress'of tbe follow-up on its country which inter-alia include the settinl recommendations; and up of an Indian Council of Forestry Research. The details are being worked (d) tbe likely date of its next meetin8 ? out. THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE .(T'tJlt6Iatlon] DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): ' ,tato ; ,,"D fixed 1.t, PHALGVNA 21, l907 (SaA)

Stat... t

LI.I' of M~mN'" D/ Na"o"all",~,,.atl()n COUllcl1 (1986)

Prime Minister - Cbairmaa I. Union 1. The Union Home Minister Member Mini.Cen aDd 2. Tbe Union Finance Minister -do- Cbief Ministers. 3. The Union Minister for Human Resourco -do- Development. 4. Cblef Ministers of aU the State and Union Territories wbich have Leaislatures.

II. Leaders of 1. She Kamalapati Tripatbi, Working President, national parties Indian National Congress 0) recolDised by the -2. Sh. E.M .S. Namboodiripad, OODcral Secretary, -do- Election Communist Party of India (Marxist). Commission. 3. She C. Rajeswara Rao. General Secretary .. do- Communist Party of India.

4. Sh. \.. 'landra Sbckhar. President Janta Party. .do-

5. Atal Dibari Vajpayee, Presiden, Bbartiya Janta Part,. -do-

6. Sh. Sbarad Pawar, President, Indian National -do. Congress (S).

? Sh. Charan Singh, President, Lot Dal. -do.

111. Leaders of reaiooal 1. She M .. G. Ramachandran. President All India Anna DMIC. -do~ parties recognised 2. Sh. M. Karuoaanidbi, President, DMIC. -do. by tbe Blection 3. Sh. B. V. Abdulla KOy8. General Secretary, All India -do... CommiJsiOD and Muslim League. bavin8 at least one 4. Sh. Chitta Basu, General Secretary, AIJ India Forward -do- representative in Block.

eitber House 01 5. She Jaljivan Ram, President, IndiaD National Coaaress (I) -do-

ParliameDt. 6. Dr. Farooq Abdullab, President, J and K National -do- Conferenco (F).

'7. Sh. Birucbon Doley, President. PlaiDS Tribal, Council -do. of Assam.

8. Sh. O. Lukose, Cbairman. Kerala ConG ..ess. d .. - 0- 9. She BapeD Varabese. Cbairman. lCerala COllates. (1). -do- lO. Sb. Tridib Cbaudbari, General Secretary Revolution.,. -do. Sooialiet party- MAlteR 12, 1986

11. Sb. S. S. Barna)a, President, Sbiromani Akali Dal. -do.

12. Sb. Nar Bahadur Singh Bhandari. President, Sikkim -do- Sangram Parishad.

13. She N. T. Ramarao, President, Te)~u Desam. -do-

14. Sh. D. S. PatH, General Secretary, Pessants and -do- Workers Party of India.

IS. She P. K. Mohanta. President-in-Chief. Assam Gana -do- Parishad.

16. She Maulana Abdul Haque. Working President. United -do­ Minorities Front.

IV. Emjnent Public J. Sbri G. Parthasarathy -do­ figures. 2. Sbri Franlf Anthony .. do-

3. Shti P. N. Haksar .. do-

4. Sbri Satyajit Ray -do-

S. Sbri M. F. Hussain -do-

6. Shri S. Banegal -do-

7. Sbri Kbushwant Singh -do-

8. Baba Amtc

V. Business. 1. Chairman, Fleel -do.. 2. Chairman, ASSOCHAM -do- . '\

~VI. Labour 1. Sbti Ramanujar' , President, lNTl C -do-

ViI. Commission 1. Chainnan, Minorities ComnJissjon -do- 2. Chairman, UGC -do-

~. Chairman, Scheduled 'Castes and Sched\.lJed Tribes .. do .. Commission.

VIII. Media 1. Sbri Prem Bhatia, Editor, yribune .. do- 2. Shri Vijay Tendulkar (Playwright) -do-.-, 3. Shri Narendra Mohan, Editor, Dainik Jaaran. -do-

4. Shri ,Nikbil Cbakravarty, ~ditor,,! Mainstream -do-

s. Shri K. L. Nandan. Editor. Dinaman. ..do- W,ltten .4",,,.,, 70

SlIkoJl MOQOf;rystals aad Wafer. (a) whether Government are aware that Archaeology Department is engaged in 7413. SHr~I SYED MASUDAL locating civilization in Bet Dwarka on the HOSSAIN : Will the PRIME MINISTER Gujarat Coas t for several years ; 1:>0 pleased to state : (b) jf so, total funds provided and (a) whether Government are supporting spent so far ; indigenous manufacturing of siUcon mono­ crystals and 'wafers even after the latest (c) whether both the men al d ma terial Dotif1cation of July, 1983 ; at the services of the Archaeology Depart­ ment are ancient abd outmoded ; (b) whether the notification has made indigenous silicon expensive and excise duty 12 per cent and sales tax @ 4 per cent are ld) wbether it is a fact that National advel tly affe.cting the manufacturers : institute of Oceanograpby which is he1ping does not have any modern equipment as (~) whether the notification has reduced had boeD used by the French in locating duty (.)1) solar crystal impor~s ; and parts of Kanisbka aircraft after it met with an accident off Ireland Coast; and Cd) if so, how Government ate supporting ;ndig\!nOus u1anufacturio$l of (e) whether Government propose to siHcon and the details thereof? provide modern equimcnt and manpower by tbe end of this century ? THE MIN1STER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AN.D THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 'lECUNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART­ MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND MENTS OP OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART.. ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECTRONICS MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, AND SPACE tSHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND (a) and (d) Yes, Sir. Government is SPACE, (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) supporting indigenous manufacturing of No, Sir. ArchCJeo]ogicaJ Survey of India Silicon Monocrystals and wafers by way of has not been engaged in this activity. The reducin~ import duty on input materials. Department of Science and Tecbnology bas Further, duty protecti~n of 40% is available sanctioned in October, 1984 a research for wafers for semiconductor devices. programme titled uMarine Archaeological Proposals are being considered to reduce the Studies in Indian Waters". Under this local duties on the products. programme a survey and under water excavation of submerged part installations (b) Yes, Sir.. The notification reducing at Dwarka is to be undertaken through the the import duty to 0% on silicon for solar National Institute of Oceanography over a pbotovultaic and ;0 addition excise duty of period of tbrce years. 12% and sales tax 4% bas made the iodiaenous silicon mater;a] expensive compared to c.Lf. price of imported silicon (b) The tolal financial prOVISion for crystals and wafers, thus a~ecting the the Pl'Ojoct is Rs. 13.86 lakhs, as against manufacturers ad versel),. which a sum of Rs. 11.86 latbs bas been spent so far. (c) YOSt Sir.

(c), (d) and (e) As a part of the Equipment aDd Manpower in use for LocatiDg Research Programme 'being supported by Ancient ChlllzatloD in Bet Dwarka tbe Departmont of Science and Technology. csscntial modern equipments and appropriate 2424. DR. D. N. REDDY: Will. tbe manpower bave ~een ptovided for under­ PRIME MINISTER be g!eased t.O a~ate : takioa the aUl'vel and Wldlt\V&ter' ucavauona, MAkeH 12, 1986

Rate of SImp (c) bow docs thia sav., rate .compare with the rate eDvisa&ed iD the Seveutb PIaD i and 2425. SHItI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Win the Minister of PLA NNING be pIeued to atate :

to (d) A statomoa& cootaJoiOI (b) the alzo of total a.vinp ; the iorormatioa is Jiven below.

8tat.... t ------,--GROSS DOMESTIC SAVING

• Gross Domestic Savin. (R8. cram) Rate of gross ------.....-.-- -- Year domestic saviDI housebold private corporate public total (por ceot) sector sector sector

1. 2. 3. 4. S. ,6. 1983-84 22.1 32443 3164 7217 42824 1984.. 85 22.1 36829 3589 6788 47206 Seventb 24.3·· Plan

Source: (i) Quick Estimates of national income;. consumption expenditure, savinI and capital formatioD. 1984·8S released by the Central Statistical Oraani.. tion in January, 1986.

(ii) PlanDiol Commission.

• As per cent of 8I'OIs domestic product at market prices.

... As envisqed in 1989·90 at 1984-85 prices.

CrIteria for Award of P.... Bbrle Ek. (b) if 80, the detaill thereof ? Aw ....

2426. Dil. CHINTA MOHAN: Will THB MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS the Nitriaw of HOME ~AIllS be pleased (SHRI S. 8. CHAVAN) : (a) Ya, Sir. to .... :

(b) Tbe detaill or the criteria for the fa) wbethor lilY criteria have beeD award of decorations as laid dowu iD the laid down for award oI·PIuIma Sbree, Padma relevant statutea aDd rulel are eivea in tbo Bhuaball. Paelma VibbulbaD aDd Dbarat eDcloeect Ita"meot. Ia...... aacl PllALGUNA ~1, 19()7 (S.fK.4)

St.teaeat (c) wbether· Government p .. opose to· advise all the State Governments to take, steps for the immediate distrjbution of such S. Name of Criteria compeDsation eliminating a\oidable 'No. Awards formalities?

-.. ..,__.--~-.-~- ---,,,._,.,--- THB MINISTER OF EXTERNAL be 1. Padma Sbrl The decoration sball AFFAIRS (SHRI B .. R. DHAGATI: Ca) awarded for distinauished On receipt of information about tbe death, service in any field includiol concerned Indian Mission/Post abr~ad service rendered by Govern- immediately approaches the employer askins ment scrvants. him to either remit all dues of tbe deceased including death compensation jf payable 2. Padma The decoration sball be direct to the legal beirs or to transfer tbe Bbusbao' awarded for distinguished total amount tbereof in Embassy's favour service of a high order in for onwards transmission to the legal heirs any field including service, The Foreign Govenments througb their rendered by Government Foreian Ministeries are approacbes to expedite servants. remittance of all dues of tbe deceased inclu­ ding death compensation if payable in cases where there are delays. When the money is 3. Padma The decoration shall be received by Indian Mission/post, it is Vibhusban awarded for exceptional remitted to the concerned dbtrict authorities and di stinguisbed service in India (nominated by the State Govern­ in any field including ments). through local hanks or by RBI service rendered by Govern- draft(s) issued by the Mission /Post wherever ment servants. bankins channels are Dot available for disbursement to the legal heirs after Dec~sary 4. Dbarat Ratna The decoration shall be verification. awarded for exceptional service towards tho (b) Excepting one or two complaints advancement of Art, about deJay in disbursement of tbe money by Literature and Science, the District autborities during the past 2/3 and in recognition of years, Government is not aware about public service of tbe biabest ina rdinate deJay on the part of the District order. authorities in distribution of the money.

(c) Assets of the deceased workers are distributed to the legal heirs by the District Procedure to pay Compensation to authorities OD production of the legal beirs Depeadeats of those 'Who die in Forelp by the District authorities OD production of Couatry tbe legal heirship certificate or the succession certificate to be issued by Judicial authorities 2427. SHRI VAKKOM PURSHO­ depending upon the value of the assets. This THAMAN : Will tbe MiDister of requirement is as per the Indian laws. There BXTERNAL AFFAIRS be ploased.to state: are no other fonnalities besides tbis

(a) 'bow compensation is paid to tbe Mode..... tI_ of Anaed Forces dopeDdenu of' tbose workers who die in foreian countries whilo employed there ; 2428. SHRI K. KUNJAMBU: Will tho Minister of DBFENCE be pleased to (b) whether Government are aware that 8tate : tben is inordinate delay in distributiDI tb. mODO)' to the dcpcodenc. even after it naches (a) wbether Government bave a CODcrete iD tbo GOlloeraed oolltctorato i ~d plaD to IDOdtmiIo the armed forces. aa. 75 Wriltell Answer" MARCH i2, i986

(b) if so, tbe details thereof 1 [English]

THE MlNISTER OF STATE IN TIlE Laboratory for CODvertJug Opium Into DEPARTMENT OF " DEFENCE HerolD fo Delhi RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SH'RI ARUN SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. 2430. PROF. NJRMALA KUMAR1 SHAKTAWAT: Will the Minister of (b) Increasiug emphasis is being laid on HOME AF'FAIRS be pYeased to state: modernisation so as to equip D:;fence For<.:es with weapon systems of the latest technology. (a) whether it is a fact that some persons have been funning a laboratory in Delhi to Fo!' teasone of National security, it will convert opium into heroin ; not, however, be in the public interest to disclose details. (b) the number of persons arrested in this connection so far;

[Tran~/at'on] (c) the nutnber of places in the capital wbich are being used for manufactur.: of this Manufacture/ A~quisltion of Aircra£ts drug; and

2429. SHRI BANVARI LAL BAIRWA: (d) where from tbis drug is, being Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased smuggled ioto tbe c3pita 1 ? to ~tate: the varnes of , those Indian Air Force aircrafts which have been manufactured THE MINISTER OF" STAlE IN Tf-fE in India as also the names of those aircraft DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL which bave been acquired from other SECURITY (SI-IRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) Countries 1 No, Sir.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b), (c) and (d) Does not arise. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : Plan to Control Water Pollution 2431. DR. K.O. ADJYODI : Will tbe (i) A ircccaft designed and nlanufactured PRIME MINISTER be pJeased to state : in India arc :-

HT-2, HJT-16, HP'I-32, AJEET (a) whether there is any plan to obtain Trainer, HF-24 and Krisbak. foreign know how to control water pollution;

(b) if so. from which country and which (H) Aircraft manufactured in India under licence are :- are the rivers included for pollution control;

Vampire. Gnat, Jaguar, MiG-2I, (c) whether there is any plan to utilise MiG-27M, and HS-748, and Chetak waste from rivers for productive usc; and and Cheetah belicopters. (d) if so, tbe details thereof? (iii) Aircraft acquired from other countries are :- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MiNISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Hunter, Canberra, MiG ... 23 MF. FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI) : (a) and MiG·2J UN, MiG-25, MIRAGE- (b) No, Sir. However. offers of technical 2000~ Pack.er, Otter, AN·32~ lL-76, aDd financiaJ assistance have heen received AN-l2. Caribou, Dakota, Boeiog from United Kingdom, France aDd United 737 and Istara ; aDd MI .. 17, MI-25 States of America for ,_arious activities and MI-8 h.liGoplt,a" rolatiDI to w.c Gaoaa A~don Plan, PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (SA«A) WrltteH Anl",ers '8

. (c) and (d) Under the Gaoga Action (a) whether Government are· taking any Plan provisions have been made for -schemes steps to promote Bharathnatyam in foreign to use treated effiuents from sewage" treat­ countries; ment plants for irrigation, pisciculture I;l.nd· "bio-gas aeneration. (b) if so, the names of the countries where schools to teach Bharatbnatyam bave b cen started ; and Setting up of Biotechnology lnstltutes

2432. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA : Win (c) if not, whether any steps will be the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: taken to bave school to promote Bbaratb­ nat yam in foreign countries? (a) whether Government propose to set up bio-technology institutes in the country THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL ;to train researchers in various scientific and AFFAJRS (SHRI .B.R. BRAGA1'): (a) Yes, Sir. t"cbnolagy field,: during the Seventh Five Year Plan period ; and (b) and (c) Indian dances including Bharatnatyam are being promoted tbrougb (b) if so, the details thereof and the the visits of Indian troupes abroad. ,Dames of the plac('s where these institutes encouragement of cultural activities by our are to be set up ? Missions in foreign countries and through the award of scholarships to foreign students THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for learning Indian Dance in India. No MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND schools have been set up abroad exclusive TECHNOLOGY AND IN TH"E DEPART­ for teaching Bbaratnatyam. MENtS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT,

1 ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND Bharatnatyam is from time to time SPACE (SHRI SHI RAJ V. PATIL) : (a) performed in Indian cultural Centres abroad. No Sir. The programme of integrated man­ Teaching of Bbaratnatyam I)n a regular basis power develollment of the Department of in these Centres in subject to loca] demand Biotechnology is to initiate multi.disciplinary and availability of resour~s. Post Graduate teaching and training pro­ gramme in various subjects of biotechnology. Declaration of Bihar as a Baekward State Instead of setting any new institutes solely for this purpose, teaching and research 2434. SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAJ: institution which already possess competence YOGESH : Wi)) the Minister of PLANNIN( in these areas have been strengthened with be pleased to state: additional faculty positions. funds, chemicals, equipments and specialised infrastructural (a) whetber it is a fact that tbe Cbie facilities etc. These programmes have Minister of Bibar has demanded Bihar to b already been commenced in five Universities. declared as a backward State • and 10 addition, the Department bas also pro-. J grammes for short term training in new (b) if so, the steps beiog taken to mec techniques in Biotechnology to be conducted tbis demand ? by different research institutions in tbe country. T~E MINISTER OF STATE IN TH. MINISTRY OP PLANNING (SHRI A.I< . (b) Does not arised. PANJA): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does no't arise. Pro.otlon of Bbarath.tyalD II Porelaa CObhtrles Loans for IDstallat'OD or Pollutfoa Coatro . ,2433.· SHRt- P. KOLAND~IVBLU: Measures tbo Minister of EXTER.NAL APFAlllS 'Will 2435. 'SMRI DIOVIJAY SINH: Wi be ploa~d to state : the PlUME MINJSl'EA be ploasod to Ii. MAR-eH 12. 1986

(c) if so, tbe outcome thereof? [£",11311) THe MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF ENVIR.ONMBNT AND Lfceaee 'or Maa.laetare 01 VCR .... FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI) : No Mkrow.,. Ov.. such recommendation bas been roceived. 2437. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: WiD (b) and (c) Dose not ariso. tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleasod to Itat.:

wbetber Government have decided [Tra"slation 1 to issue industrial licences (or the manufac­ ture of VCRs and microwavo ovons only to Cut ID Seventll Pia Outlay for Uttar Pradesh tbose units wbich give a commitment to 2436. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAJ: Will indigenise within four years of startin. the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to production : state : (b) if so, the Dumber of companiol to

(b) whether due to tbis, there is possi­ (d) the expected production of VCR bility of unexpected increase in the number and microwave oyen indiaenousJy by tbo cnd of unemployed persons in tbe State; and of 1990 and the extent to which the need will be met ; and (c) the action beina taken by Union Government to provide employment opportunities ? (e) the estimated forejp ncbaDle to be saved ? THB MINISTER OF STATB IN THB MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K.. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PANJA):

(b) and (c) The applications .received end 1985, 112 collaborations have been .are at present beinl scrutioivcd b1 an inter­ ap,rovod with Japan and the areas include : departlDODtal Task Force. Electronic COm~}eDt for TV, Radios ~., Analog Watches, "Vbata Acqu; 1tion Systems. Floppy Disc Drives, sin.'e Multiplex (d) The estimated demand for VCR. Telecom .ystem, Phono-cardiograpbs, micro­ and :1Microwave OVODS in 1989-90 is as motors, two-way communica don and Allied under :- Equipment, Plain paper pboto copiers, etc. VCRs 5 lath DOS. . (b) In the area of Colour Picture tubes, Microwavo 30,000 DOl. a FC agreement bas been signed between OVcDS MIs. UPLC and MIs. Toshiba for the Tbc demand is expected to be met manufacture of CPTs, but this was &till to indigenous1y. be taken OD record. Similarly. MIs. PDPL propose to sign' a FC agteement with MIs. Hitachi for CPTs for which the FC terms (e) It is ·not possible to ca]culate tbe have already been approved. The FC ..vinl in foreign excbanse at tbis stage. agreement for the manufacture of VCR Decks between MIs. BPL, Bangalore .nd Coll8boratloD Agreemeats wltb J.paa lD MJs. Sanyo, Japan bas been taken on record. E1eetroaiaJ In the area of CTV components the FC agreement between Electronic Research Pvt. 2438. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN Ltd. and MIs. Sanyo has also been takeb OD MOHANTY : Will the PRIME MINISTER record. Similarly, Mis. Electronic Consor­ be pleased to state: tium and Mis. Matsushita, Japan signed an agreement which has yet to be taken OD bow many collaboration agreements record. have been signed with Japan in the field of eJectronics and tbe areas of Technology (c) Out of 112 ttchoical collaborations covered ; approved, 29 are with Public Sector Under­ takinp and rernainina are with Private (b) wbether any agreement bas been Sector parties. aisncd or is proposed to be signed for colour picture tubes, V.C.R. (decks) and colour (d) Yes Sir, Import of technology is T.V. components; allowed only on a case to case basis after examining all aspects including its impact 00 the Ind igenous production. (c) bow many of those collaboration qreements bave been sianed with public lector undertakings and how many witb (e) Yes Sir. The general procedure private sector undertakinas ; followed in ensuring transfer of upto date technology from Japan to India is the same as fonowed with respect to other countries. (d) wbether any study bas been made about its impact of indigenous production and indipoous industries; and Evaluation of Researches Utilised by IDdastries

(e) whether the collaboration aareements 2439. SHRI A. S. GOUNDBR: Will Itipulate transfor of up-to-date tec:hool081 the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: by Japan to Ind.ia. and if 80, details thereof? (a) whether tbe researcbes uod ertaken THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE by laboratories of Council of Scientific and MINlSTR.Y OF SCIENCE AND TECH· Industrial Research durio. the last few years NOLOGY AND IN THE DBPA&TMBNTS and their utilisation by industrics havc been OF OCEAN DSVSLOPMBNT. ATOMIC evaluated : . ,BNBllGY. BLBcrR.ONICS.·AND SPACE (SHIU SHl'VB.AJ V. ·PATIL): Up to (b) ~f 10, tbe,ntultl 01 .tbe same ; aacS , 83 ""ttt,,, JI",,.,, MARCH 12. 1986 Wrltte" A",." , 84

(c) the funds alloted for research work district of Uttar Pradesb is being considered. by C.S.l.R. laboratories durina the Soventh Government of Uttar Pradesh were requeited , Five Year Plan ? '~ , to indicate the terms and conditions of .1 .. transfer of land, availability of water. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB power and otber infrastructural facilities MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND which have been received and tbe' same is TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART­ under examination. MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V PATIL) :(a) and [Trtlnslatlon] (b) Though no evaluation bas been made by 'Government, research proBramme of each JolDt Commlsilon of India and BebrIae cSlR laboratory are approved and regularly .: evaluated by its Research Advisory Council 2441. SHRI KALI PRASAD . and the Executive Committee. These PANDEY: Will the Minister of -, comprise of senior 1evel representatives from EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 'government departments, industry and 'universities. Judging by the licence agree­ (a) whether a Joint Commission on 'ments signed for CSIR technologies over bilateral matters between India and Behrine the past three years there is a increase in bas been agreed to be constituted; , the utilization of CSIR knowhow as indicated in the following table : (b) if so, the details thereof; and Year 1982-83 1983-84 1984-85 (c) the points to be 'discussed at the meetin& of the Commission to be held on 10 ! No. of licence J17 134 134 October. 1986 ? agreement signed.

(c) Iq, addition to meeting the non-plan THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL furids requirements, the Planning Commission AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT): (8) has allotted Rs. 335 crores under the Plan Yes, Sir. Head for the CSIR over the Seventh Five Year Plan p~rjod. (b) It bas been decided to bold tbe first Joint Committee meefing in New Delhi , on March 11-13, 1986. ibe Co-Chairman New Heavy Armoured Vehicles Project of the Joint Committ~e win be officers of tbe rank of SecretAries. 2440. SHRI YASHWANTRAO GADAKH PATIL : Will the Minister of DEFEN'CE be pleased to state: (c) The first Meeting is 'expected to discuss the scope and direction of furtber (a) whether Governmenf have decided expansion of cooperation in economic, location of new heavy armoured vehicles technical. cultural and related fields. ' project;

(b) if so, the ·details tbereof ; and [English] (c) the reasons therefor? CaDaa PurlflcatloD Project

rHE MINISTER'" OF STATE IN THE 2442. SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY:: . I?Ep,A,RTMENT,' , OF DEFENCE Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased to PRODUCTION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES state abe total Dumber of tOWI'lS and dties OD ,SH.KI SUKH RAM): (a) to .(0)" For the banks of river Ganga and its tributoriea ~etting up a factory for manu'facture of whicb are' proposed to be covered uader

: .. ~avy Armoured Vehicles, a site in Jhausi Ganla purification project ? : : I as W,lttlll ~1UW" PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (SAKA)

THB MINISTER OF STATE IN .THB rTr.anllatloll] MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FOltESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : .Under AJl'orestatioa in Himachal Pradesh the Ganga Action Plao, 27 Class-J cities and towns including their outgrowtbi, situaled on 2443. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI: ·tbe banks of Ganga. as mentioned below, are Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to proposed to be covered. state :

<8> the name of the places i~ H'imachal UTTAR PRADESH Pradesh for which proposals of afforestation have been received from tbe State Govern­ 1. Risbikesh-Hardwar complex comprisiol ment afcer conducting' the survey· Rishikesb. Lakshman Jboola, Swargsbram Muniki Reti and Hardwar. (b> tbe area of land proposed to be . 2. Farrukbabad and Fatehgarb brought under forest ; and 3. Kanpur Urban Area 4. Allahabad Urban Area (c) tbe funds provided for tbe purpose in Seventh Five Year Plan, Scheme-wise ? S. Mirzapur 6. Varanasi Urban Area THe MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): BIHAR (a) and (b) The proposals received from the 7. Munger. State Government do not give specific locations and names of the places and tbe 8. Ptna Urban Area including Hazipur and area to be afforested. Sonepur. 9. Chapra. (c) Rs. 116 crores have been allocated 10. Bbagalpur. for forestry in Himachal Pradesh in the Seventh Five Year Plan. Allocation for WEST BENGAL afforestation is yet to be finalised.

11. Baharam pur. 12. Nabadwip. 13. Hugli·Chinsurah. 14. Chandannagar. Wages to Temporary Labourers Working , IS. Bhatpara. in Border Roads Org8DlaatioD 16. Barrackpore. 17. Serampore. 2444. SHRI P. NAMGYAL: Will 18. Titagarh. the Minister of DEFENCE be ,pleased to 19. Paoibati. state: 20. Ba1ly. 21. Kamarhati. (a) whetber it is a fact that daily wale 22. Baranagar. of temporary labourers working with tbe 23. Haora. Border Roads Organisation in the country 24. South Dum Dum. and particularly in tbe Ladakh. region is very 25. Naihati. low as compared to similar labourers workin. 26. Calcutta Municipal Corporation includina in other civilian orsanisa~ion ; TollyguDc-Jadavpur, South Suburban and Garden .R.eacb and the remaining portion (b) whether the rates of;" temporar)' of the Calcutta ,.Metropolitan D~strict labour charges in the Border Roads located on the banks of GaDaa. Orpniaation be placed on tbe Table of tho "27. Haldla. 801lI01 MAaCK 12, 1"6

(c) tbe rea SODS for difference in wale&, Oraan isat ion , includiaa those in Ladakh. if 8DY ; and are fixed under tbe Minimum Waaes A~t, in accordance with the min imum waaos fixed (d) whether Covernmcnt will propose by the concerned State Governments. It ia to increase the. wages of tbe temporary also ensured that the wqcs paid to thcao labourers work iDS in tbe Border Roads labourors are not less tban tbe minimum Organisation to bring it at per with tbeir wages prescribed by the State Governments counterparts in tbe civilian sector and if not concerned under the Minimum Wales Act. tbe reasons therefor? (b) A statement showing tbe averap THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE montbly and daily wales of unskilled casual DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH labourers deployed in the various Projects AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN of Bordor Roads OraanisatioD is liVeD below. SINGH): (a) The wages of tbe temporary casual labourer deptoyd by BOrder Roads (c) and (d) Do not arise.

StateDleDt

dV.'tlIW Wille, of Un,klll,d lAbourer" In Bord,r Road" OrganlMllion.

S. No. Project and where located Monthly rates Daily rates

1. Sewak (Assam, Manipur and Nagaland) Rs. 315 to 376/- Rs. 10.S0 to 12.55

2. Hirak (Bihar) Rs. 476/- Rs. IS.8S

3. Dhawalt (Madhya Pradesh) Rs. 360/· Rs. 12.00

4. Sampark (Jammu) Rs. 345/- Rs. II.S0

s. Swastik (Sikkim and West Bengal) Rs. 330 to 577/- Rs. 11.00 to 19.25

6. Cbetak (ltajastban) Rs. 3301 Ra. 11.03

7. Dantak (Bhutan & Part of Megbalaya) RI. 330 to 370/- Ra. 11.00 to 12.35

s. Deepak (U.P. and Himachal Pradesh) Rs. 300 to 49S I- Rs. 10.00 to 16.50

,. Puabpak (Assam. Mizoram. Part of Rs. 330 to Rs. 11.00 to Megbalaya and Tripura) Rs.360/- Rs. 12.00

10. Vartak (Arunachal Pradesb and Assam) Ra. 330 to 3901· Rs. 11.00 to 13.00

11. Yatrik (Andaman &, Nicobar Is]ands) as. 350/- Ra. 11.65

12. Beacon (Jammu & Kashmir in RI. 540 to Rs. 18.00 Ladakb rclion) Its. 660/- I.s. 22.00

13. Beacon (in other areas) Rs. 360 to 450/- Ra. 12.00 to IS.GO PllALOUNA 2i. 1907 (SaA)

PellID. of Trees for Electrielt, Prodactloa (b) The pattern and nature of tbe facilities extended for rebabilitation of ox­ 2445. SHRI SARFRAZ AHMAD: servicemcD va rica from State to State. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Hence it is difficult to quantify tbese and state : declare them to be les8 or more tban in otber States. whether Government's attention bas been drawn to tbe news item appearing in (c) Some of the steps beiDI taken by the Janlatta dated 4 February, 1986 wberein tbe State Government of Kerala to promote it baa been stated tbat SO lakbs trees are to the rehabilitation of ex-servicemen are: be cut for 107 Mosawatt electricity production in various States ; and i) They are liven preference for jobs is Class III and IV posts iD ii) Vacancies suitable for ex .. servicemen Yes, Sir. However. tbe news item in Jansatta for Class I and II posts are beiol dated February 4. 1986. pertains to only one identified. hydro-electrical project, viz. Indira Sarovar (Bodhgbat) in tbe Bastar district of Madbya iii) Se)f.. employment of ex-servicemeD Pradesh. is being encouraged by means of reservation of' seats in Industrial (b) The proposal for the diversion of Training Institutes and Centres, by forest lands for tbe Indira Sarovar grant of preference to tbem in retail (Bodbgbat) Project is still under the distributorships, and by reserviDa consideration of tbe Central Government. mechanised boats coDtructed in Boat Building Yards of tbe Va_plo,ed Ex-Senleemea la Kerala Fisberies Department for Co. operative societies formed by ex­ 2446. PROF. P. 1. KURIEN: Will servicemen. the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state :' Statehood to Goa

beacb tourism and requested the State [Trail slation] Governments to take up ntcessary steps to provide infrastructural facilities at suitable RetiremeDt of Employees WorklDR In J~tiODS. The Department also requested Orcln.aee Factories . the concerned State Governments to identify and forward suitable project proposals for 2448. SHRI HARISH RAW AT: central assistance from the Department of Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased Tourism. Tbe following projects bave state : already been sanctioned: (a) whether a proposal to compulsorily (l) Eight Beach CottaafS at 'Kanya retire tbe employees working iu ordnancc Kumari in Tamil Nadu at a total factories who have completed 30 years cost of Rs. 13.36 lakbs. and Rs. service or crossed SO years of age is under 10.00 Jalebs have been released as consideration of the Government: and advance during tbe current financial year. (b) if so, the reasons therefor? (2) Ahmedpur M8Ddi Beach Resort THE MINISTER OF SlATE IN THE with 10 cottages and restaurant DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRO· complex for Rs. 21.03 lakbs with DUCTION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES an advance of Rs. 1000 lakhs. (SHRI SUKH RAM) : (a) aod (b) There is no proposal under consideration of the Government. However, under the standing (3) Construction of Tourist Bunsalow orders of the Mit:iistO' of Home Affairs the and Cottages at Disha. West Bengal cases of the concerned Government employees for a total sum of RI. 40.17 lakhl. arc reviewed by duly Constituted Committees An advance of Rs. 20.00 laths has as per the procedure laid down and their been released. cases considered by the appropriate authority 00 the recommendation of this Committee. (4) Construction of toilet block near Such review of the cases of the concerned SUD Temple, Konsrk, Orissa for a employees is done every year as per the total sum of Rs. 3.49 lakhs. An standing orders. advance of Rs. 2.61 lakbs bas been released.

Proposal (or 'Detelopment Beach Scheme' (Eng/llh] 2449. SaRI RAM SWAROOP RAM: Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased Plan aDd Programmes for Eledroalc. to state: Industry

(a) whether any proposal for 'Develop­ 2450. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA: ment Beach Scheme' is under consideration Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to k.eeping in view regional imbalance, state tbe details of the plan and programmes backwardness and disparity in the country; of Government for the promotion of and EJectronics jndustry in West Bengal duriol the Sevtnth Plan period ? (b) if so, the time by which this programme is Ukely to be introduced in the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRP OF SCIENCE AND TECH.. country ? NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMBNTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ENER.GY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. (SHRJ SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : Government PA-NJA) : (a) and (b) In the Seventh Five encouraaes settjni up of electronjcs indu... Year Plan. tb~ Department of Tourism bas trio- tbrouabout tbe COUllt" in aDf lD~ludod a Rbomo for mt devolopmtP~ of PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (SA'A) 9~ tJ"'II~n ,4",." Molestation llape pecmislible area. No special mensures ate Year Eve-teasinl bolol adopted for West Bcolal or for any other statc. Tbo State. Goveromc:ot 1985 .. 86 843 96 80 endeavours to create conditions conducIve . (from for setting up such industries. D :pa~tment 1.2.8S to of Blectronics gives necessary gUldance 28.2.86) whenever required. Semlaar 08 Developing Countries aad ES,aDitoD of INS Droaaebarya Nuclear Jssues

2451. PROF. K. V. THOMAS: Will 24S3. SHRI ANAND SINOH: Will tbe Minister of DBFENCE be pleased to the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be atate : pleased to state:

<8> bow many people have been (a) whether a seminar on cDevelopiDS displaced at Cochin for the expansion of countries an~ Nuclear Issues" was beld in INS Dronacbarya ; and New Delhi in January, 1986;

(b) action taken for their rehabilitation? (b) if so, the names of tho developinl countries delegates from which participated THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE in the Seminar; DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN (c) tbe main observations and suues· SINGH) : (a) Approximately 250 families tions made thereat ; an are in unauthorised occupation of the land required for tbe expansion of INS Dronacbarya. The State Government is (d) Government's reaction thereto? planning sbortly to hand over a portion of the land to the Navy. When this is done THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL it would require the resettl::ment of approxi· AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAOAT): (a) mately 120 families. Yes Sir, a workshop on this subject wal orsanised joint by tbe India International (b) An smount of Rs. 1g lakhs bas Centre and the Institute for Defence Studi been paid to the Government of Kerala in and Analyses on January 20th, 1986 at .be March. 1985 for the construction of dwelling request of the Independent Commission OD units for the rehabilitation of the unathotised Disarmament and Security Issues, whicb met occupants in Rameshwar village Fort, Cocbin. in New Delhi from January 17-19th, 1986.

(b) No delegates from any country as Molestation lad Eve .. Teas'ag fa DeIhl such participated in the workshop, which was attended by Indian academicians and 2452. SHR} AJOY BISWAS: otbers interested in security issues and some SRRI CHIRANJJ LAL members of tbe Independent Commission on SHARMA: Will tbe Minister Disarmament Issue and experts asaisting of HOMB AFFAIRS be pleased to state them. the number of cases of eve-tcasios. molestations and rape reported in Delhi (c) The theme paper for the workshop d~rina 198'·86 1. was titled "Developing Countries and Nuclear Issues". The discussions coverod a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB wide-range of security and disarmament DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL issues. SBCURITY (SHRI ARUN . NEHRU) : Tho Dum bor of cases of eve .. teasing, (d) Government of Indian's -viewl 011 ' molestatiun and rape reported to Delhi tbese issucs are weD-known _ ••'0 ~ Police d"riD, tbe year 1985 .. 86 are as seated a number of timo OD lbo GOOf of til., folloW. I..j.... ROUM MARCH 12, 1'86 ""111M .4... " .N

[T,a",lt.JIion] (0)' whether Government also propose . . to eDsure the delivery of pension book one Sdleme for Defeaee an. De,elo,..t of week prior to the retirement of tho Indo-Tibet alld lado-Nepal Borden employee ?

2454. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR THB MINISTER OF STATB IN THE TRIPATHI: Will the Minister of MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUJlLlC DEFENCB be pleased to state : GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM): (a> and (b) (a> wbether any scheme bas been Pension disbursement procedure provides for prepared by Union Government for tbe the payment of pension throulb the nation­ defence and development of J ndo-Tibet and wide network of- lado· Nepal borders ; i) Treasuries, or

(b) if so, the outlines thereof and the ii) Pay and Accounts Offices, or time by which it is likely to be implemented; and iii) Public Sector Banks, or iv) Post Offices, (wherever applicable) (c) tbe exponditure likely to be incurred tbereon? as Qpted by individual pensioners. Pensions are also remitted by postal mODey order OD tbe option of pensioners. THB MINISTER OF STATE IN 1HE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMBNT (c) There ia no pension beok as such (SHR} ARUN SINGH):

Dumber of prisonen/under trial. (Enlll.rh] presentl, lodpd in Tiber Jail. Delhi ; Procedure 'or P., ... of P_Io. (b) w~at is tbe "istina staff strenltb 2455. SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS (cat.~-wlse) to cope with tbe prisonen MU.NSI: Will tbe PRIME MINISTBR be under-tr18ls as apinst the sanction d pleased to ltate : Itrenatb ltatio. the reUODI for tbe Bhattl:)1 iD the .trqtl). if aDY ; whetber tbe Ministry of Personnel bal a proposal UDder consideration for (c) whether it is a fact tbat to over­ aendiDI tbe pension by 'mooey Order or come tbe problem of overcrowdiD. ill Tibar Jail there was a proposal to construct a cheque to the account of evetY penSiOD jail at Mandoli lOme years bact aod new bol der directl, immediatel, after his retire- ment to make tbe process simple ; (4) if .0, when the proposal to,COlll­ truet a aew jall was mooted IlQd the reasoDl (b) tf Dot Ula rea'OllI therefor; IDd for DOt tOiDa lip the project 10 lar ? . PRALGONA 21. 1907 (SB~)

THE MINISTER. OF STATE IN THB DltPAIlTMBNT' OF INTER.NAL 3 'SI!C01lITY (SHRI AKUN NEHRU): (a) 'ftlere are at present 3,435 prisoDers/under­ 14. Head Warden 39 trials IOOpd in Tibar Jail. IS. Warders 292 211 (b) A Statement is liven below. 16. Matron 7 6. 17. PbUmasiet 3 3' (c) Yes. 18. Store-keeper 1 It (d) The proposal was mooted durins 19. Tailor Malter 1 the year 1978. Land for a new jail measuring 58.62 acres bas been acquired at 20. Teacher· 1 Mandoli, Sbabdara. The work of eracting 21. Weaving Master 1 tbe boundary wall bas been completed at the site. Funds bave been provided under tbe 22. Male Nurse 2 Seventh Five Year Plan for the construction of the new jail at Mandoli. 23. Nursinl Orderly 2 24.. Mistri Fitter 1 Statemeat 2S. Driver 2 26. Asstt. Factory s. Ca tegory of Staff Sanctioned Staff in Supervisor 1 1 No. Staff production 27. Carpenter Mastcr 1 1 28. Peon 1 2 3 4 I 1 29. Dak Carrier 1 I 1. Dy. Inspector 30. Orderly General of Prisons 1 1 J 1 31. Cook 1 2. Superintendent of 1 Central Jail 1 1 32. Sweeper 13 11 3. Superintendent of 33. Cbowkidar 2 1 District Jail/Deputy The few posts Jying vacant at-preseot Superintendent of Gr.l 1 1 have not been fined because of continuance 4. Deputy Supdt. of "economy ban" imposed by tbe ceottal atade II 2 J Govt. with a view to reducina expenditure. s. Medical Officer Grade.1 1 1 6. Medical officer grade. II 3 3 Irr.ptlo. Pro)eds ea.... EeoIO ....'·,· Imbldlaece 1. Ottice Superintendent 1 1 8. SAS Accountant 1 1 2457. SHal NARSING SURYAWANSBI: 9. AaailtaDt SuperlDtcn.. Will tbe PRIME MINISnR. be pleased to state : deats 15 IS 10. Head Clerk 1 I <8> wbetber major irription projects 11. U·. D. c. S 4 are caUlllll ecOIOlleal imbalances. ; and 12., Steooarapher 1 I l~. L. D. C. S , 99 Wrltte • .,4",." MAllCH 12, 1986 W,.I,,.,, 11".." 100

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Cooperation (ITEC) proaramme ; services or MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND 100 experts from India to tbrae countries FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): for techl;lical advice, techno-economic (a) and (b) ,Yes, Sir. Tbe problem of studies etc. over the same period : 8ssistaaQO ' water logging and salinity in the command in the field of medium and small industry of ,'major irrigation projects are caused due by settinl up an institution framework to to lock of adequate drainage. Command promote this sectOr ; assistance to tbe Area needs to be developed concurrently Regional Training Council in Swaziland and with the engineering works-construction of association of Indian companies in projects dam and the canal network-to optimise in a variety of economic sectors tbat may be utilisation of irrigation potential as well as pursued by projects in a variety of economic to a void ecological im1>alance. Land sectors that may be pursued by these levelling, grading and drainage works ate countries; provided in the command area only on a limited scale so far. (c) The Nordic countries have alao offered assistance to tbe SADCC countries. lacentlves to Froatllae Afrleaa States including the field of transport and arc in process of working out precise plans and 2458. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: programmes. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Improvemeat of National Hlpway No. 44 as all Weatber Road (a) whether Government have a pro­ posal to provide certain incentives for frontline African States in a bid to loosen 24S9. SHRI SUDARSHAN DAS: the economic stranglehold of their people ; Wi)) the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : (b) if so. tbe details of tbe incentives proposed to be given to those African States; and (a) whether Government are aware that movement of traffic on National Highway No. 44 remains suspended occasionally due (c) whether Scandinavian countries to landslides keeping Mizoram, Tripura, have offered similar incentives to Africa als01 part of Manipur and Barak' Valley Districts '" of Assam cut-off from tbe rest of tbe lHB MINISTER OF EXTERNAL country ; and AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT): (8) The Government .of India supports tbe objectives of the Southern African Develop­ (b) if so, tbe steps being taken for ment Coordination Conferences (SADCC), improvement of the road to make it an aU an Organisation of nine frontline African weather road? states with i.ts headquarters in Botswana which has been set tl9 to reduce economic dependence upon South Africa aod to 'THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE increase coJlective self .. reliance. Towards DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH tbis cod, tbe Gov"rnment of India bas AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN offered SADCC technical cooperation and SINGH): (a) and (b) National Hiabway project assistance in various fields; No. 44 connects Shillong (MegbaJaya) with Asartala (Tripura) via Badarpur in Assam. The sector from Jowai to Agartala is witb ,A '(b) ,The primary features of tbe offer of the· Border Roads Organisation. It is an' all. support communicate to SADCC arc offers weather Hiahway and" is maintained under of 300 fellowships for the period 1986-91 Scale I Mahiltenance at a maximum : .to trainees from 'the nine Frontline countries expenditure of about Rs. 12,8CO per kilometer uader t~e Indian Tecb.Ual aDd Bcoboimc per aanum. PltAL(JUNA 21.' 190~ (SAI'.4)

Landblides on this National Hiabway (a) the amount allocated to Haryana occur at times olainly during the monsoon Government durina 1985-86 for various which cause road blocks and affect vehicular social welfares schemes; aDd traffic partially in Meghalaya, Assam and Tripura. However, improvements of the (b) the amount utilised by lIaryana National Highway are UDder execution by Government during the above period ? strenltheniog the road pavcr.ncot and week bridges. tHE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI AmoUDt Allocated to Har,aDR for Sodal GIRIDHAR GOMANOO) : (a) A statement Welfare SebeIDeS aiven below.

2460. SHRI-CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased (b) Information is being collected from to state : Haryana Government.

StatemeDt

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Name of the Schemes Amount allocated to Haryana Government during 1985-86

Schemes of post-matric During 1985-86 proposals in respect of the schemes of Post Scholarships for Matrie scholarships for Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes, scheduled Castes/ implementation of PCR Act and Liberation of scavengers Sheduled Tribes, imple­ have been received from the Government of Haryana A mentation of peR Act sum of Rs. 1.40 lakhs has been released as Central share for and liber ation implementation of Post Matric Scholarships Scheme during scavengers. 1985- ~6 in Haryana. Balance of Central assistance in respect of the schemes of implementation of PCR Act and Liberation of scavengers is he up for want of requisite clarification from tbe State Government.

Scheme of Scholarship As against allocation of Rs. 4 lakhs, sum of Rs. S,84.486 to PhysicaUy Handi­ bas actually been sanctioned to Haryana Government under capped. the Scheme.

Scheme of Special calls During 1985·-86, grant of Rs. 14.000/- bas been released. in the Dormal employ­ ment excbangos for pro­ moting employment of tbe handicapped.

District Rehabilitation Ouring ~ 985-86 grant of Rs. 5.60 'laths haa been released so far to the State Government of Haryana for setting Centre (DRe). up DRC in MabaDderaarh District, Hacyana, ·,lQ3 ,Wrltl~ ..4nI_,

(T""'atlonl (d) if no. by what time aad if Dot, the reasons therefor? 0 ..... Cuttlal 01 Forests THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2461. SH1U SHANT} DHARIWAL: MINISTR Y OF ENVIRONMENT AND ,SIUtI .VISHNU MODI: FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSAll,I): WilJ the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Y., Sir. state : (b) A statement is Biven below.

, "wbelMr attention of the Government (c) Prime Minister bu addreued a has been drawn to illeaal tuttm. of forests letter to tho Chief Minister. of all the States in various States ; and VaioD Torritories identifyinl specific areas of action OD conservation of eaistiDI (b) jf so, tbe places from wbere forests. The Prime Minister', directiwes Government have received complaints in tbis inter-alia include strengthening of forest roprd with the detail, of complaints made; protection force. 8ystematic and tborouab inspection by forest officers, control OD movement of timber and control OD saw aDd (c) whether Government propose to veneer mills. iuue strict directives to State Governments ~.to check il1eaal cutting of forests; and (d) Question does Dot arise.

Statemeat

SI. State/V.T. Place/Diltt. Nature of complaint. No.

I 2 3 4

" , 11. Bihar Chhota NalPur IUeaa) feJJing of trees. 2. Madbya Pradesh Mandla and Jabalpur Illegal cutting of forest. 3. Uttar Pradesh Fatebpur Illcaal fellinl of trees. ·4. CbaadiJarh Northern sector Loppina of ttees. ,. Delhi Delhi Fellioa of trees. 6. Assam KachugaOD, HaltugaoD Timber smuggling. 7. Bihar Cbhota Nagpur Forest cuttin •• 8. Haryana Mabendraaarb. GuraaOD. Dt.,..) folllDa of treeI. 9. Himachal Pradesh Cbamba and Kanara JUeaal fcnirlg of trocs. 10. Ketala Appao Kappu I Orpnisod illicit fellinl Malleppuram I and destroQtiOD of 'oreat Idukki. I wealth. 11. Madhya Pardesh Barwaha, Ba8tar, I Raiaarb, JampoD, I IUeaaI cuttiDl of t ...... CbblDdwara. I iM '<,:",.,." '~8. PHALGUN~, 21 t 1907 (SAKA) W,/I"", Alel_" tM

1 2 3 4

'tl. Orissa Atbgarh Reserve rUDDla Timber smulllioJ and aDd Kiralag. Reserve destruction of forest. Forest. 13. Rajasthan Banswara, AravaU Felling of trees. Hill Range, Pali, Ajmer, Barmer. Udaipur. Jodbpur, . Dbaratpur.

14. Tamil Nadu Nilgiri, Dharampuri, Illicit feUinl of trees Morapur RaDle, includiol sandalwood. Vallipuram.

IS. Uttar Pradesh Basti, Garhwal, Badauot Illegal cutting of trees. Azamgarh. Mirzapur. Sitapur. Uttar Kuhl.

,16. Arunachal Pradesh Arunachal Pradesh Illicit cutting and smug8ling of timber by armed gaogs.

17. Delhi Narela Illicit cuttins of trees.

I 18. ADdhra Pradesh Prakasam • JlIi~it cutting aDd rcmoval of t~ber.

19. Bibar Hazaribaah, Singbbbumi ' Jtiaale cutting by Jbarkhan Mukti Morcba. 20. Gujarat Kaira, Pancbmabal. : Jllepl felling of trees.

21. Jammu and Kashmir Udhampur Forest destruction

, J;}j , 22. Karnataka Kuppaaudda. Nanjayanara, Jllegal cutting and Agrabar. smuggling of timber. 23. Kerala Kozikode Larae scale destruction of forest. 24. Madbya Pradesh Cbambal fll ...1 trade of fuel wood and cutting of forest.

2S. Orissa Simplipal, Mayurbbanj Damage to forest.

,26. Uttar Pradesh Dasti. Kheri, Chamoli. IUcaal fellioa of trees. Gaziabad, MUQoorie,

Dehradun. Bijnor J

27. Bibar Hazaribagb IUeaal cuUms of trees. 21. Oujarat Vadodara JUega) cuttin. of trees. 29. Himachal Pradesh Kanar. IIlcsal rellins of trees. 30. Uttar Pradesh Moradabad,' Gulabad. In~gaJ fellinl of trees. Jaunsa. Bawar. 101 Wrltt~" ,4",."" MAkes it.. 1986

vation and ceo·regeneratioJl (English) programmes have been intensified. A National Wasteland Development Steps to Preser.e the Ecological Balaac:e Board bas been set up to briDI S 2462. SaRI SRIKANTA DATTA million hectares per year under fuel NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR : Will the and fodder. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : During the Jast three years (19d2- (a) 'the steps adopted by Government to 1985), 713.6 crores seedliogs were preserve the ecological balance in tbe country distributed for farm forestry ... and tin date; block plantation. 1.264 million bectares were afforested under the social forestry programmes. (b) wbether any time bound programme bas been suggested to tbe State Governments; Forest Conservation Act, J980, has coosiderably reduced the diversion of forest land for Don-forestry (c) if so,. the details of such programme· , purposes. Ind

With the implementation of the (d) the extent of successful work com­ Forest (Conservation) Act. 1980 the pleted in tbis resard during tbe last three rate of diversion of forests for '1 ,cars non-forestry purposes has been brought down from 1.5 lakh THE MIN]STER OF STATE IN THE hectares to 6500 hectares (averale) MINISTRY OF' ENVIRONMENT AND per year. FORESTS (SHRI "Z. It'. ANSARI): (a) to ' (d) A statement is ,iv~p below. Department of Environment at the Cm~ ~d in 18 S~~a~ilie Union Territories, inter alia. Stat..... t examine development projects from environmental angle and sU8&cst Steps adopted by the Government to necessar y safeauards to prevent preserve tbe ecological balance in the country adverse impact. include . , , '

Ecologically fraiile and biologically Central Pollution Control Board rich areall are being preserved as and its counter parts in 18 States national parks, sanctuaries and are trying to ensure that air and proposed biosphere reserves. water pollution from various pollu­ ting sources is kept within tbe ~rmissible limits. 53 national parks and 247 wildlife sanctuaries have been set up for protection of threatened species of Out of 40 54 industries of medium plants and animals and their diverse and large sector 2076 have instaned habitats. 13 sites have been identi .. effluent treatment plants. fied for designation as 'Biosphore Reserves' in wbich a wide spctrum Special programmes for public of livina resources would be participation aDd awareness creatioD conserved in tbeir natural state. are oncourased.

Besides protection of forests. con· certed measures have be.!9-- adopted Eca-development catnps. field for pJantins of new foretta and demoostration projects Ino action· treel. Social forestry. farm forestry, oriented eco· development re ..u~b \JtIOrt "ovolopmtDt, lOil conICr· projech are impltmcDtoct. PHALGUNA ll. 1907 (f.4K,f)

Nearly 80.000 students aad youth (c) if so, the details tbereor? bave been involved in eeo-develop­ ment pC08l'aml1les. THE MINISTBR OF STATE IN THE MIN ISTkY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND IN THB DEPART· Proposal for "Moderalsatfoa Reier., Fuad" MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT· ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND 2463. SHRI P. R. KUMARA· SPAC~ (SHRI SHIVRAJ v. PATIL) : (a) MANOALAM : Will the Minister of Yes, Sir. . PLANNING be pleased to atate : (b) and (c) Some potential sites have (a) whether PHD Cham ber of Commerce been identified in the coastal region of and Industry bas proposed a "Modernisation Konkan for the construction of fisbJDI Reserve Fund" in its action paper as harb"urs and small fish landing centres whicb reported in the Economic Times of l3tb will increase the present fish Jandinls in the February. 1985; region. Tbe other projects reJatiol to ocean development include survey of the continental (b) if so, details thereof; and shelf witb researcb vessels for living and Don-living resources including exploration of mineral and placer deposits. (c) whether such a fund for private sector is keeping with the present Govern­ ment policies Jf encouraging Central Public Sector units to raise funds from the Public Na,al,Tralnlng &hool OD Mal•• Coast, through sbares and fixed deposit schemes? Maharashtra 2465. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased MINISTR Y OF PLANNING (SHa} A.K. to state: PANJA): (8) to (c) The PHDCCI have recently submitted a paper to .he Planning (a) wbether it is a fact that Malvan, a Commission containing some suggestions for coastal town in the Sindbu .. dutg djstrict of achieving the obj«tives of the Seventh Five tho backward Konkan region of Mabarasbtra Year Plan. In the context of the need to suitable School provide funds for industrY, a general is a place for Naval Training besides beiDI a historical place baving tbe suggestion bas been made for the creation of a Modernisation Reserve Fund for the famous "Sindhudurg Sea For'" which was built during (he regime of Shivaji Maharej ; purpose of modernisation of industry. However. no details have beeo furnished by the PHDCCJ. (b) whether there bas been a JODg standing popular demand (or the settinl up of a Nava] Training Scboo] OD tbe Malvan Oevelopaaeatl 01 Kook- Coast Coast; and

2464. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB: (c) if so. the response of Government Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to thereto? state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB <8> wbetber it is a fact that the Konkan DBP~RTMENT OF DEFENCB Coast of Mabarashtra is an ideal coast from RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI tho point of view of beautiful natura' AR UN SINGH):

(c) Does Dot arise. (d) Docs not arise.

IDfrMtrudare for tile Traasfer of TecbIIolOU Steps for IadlaealMtioD of COIIIIIIDtII' D",eioped by C.S.I.R. EJeetroaJes

. 2466. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will 2467. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to atate tbe PRIME MINISTER be plcaeed to state: (a) whether ,tbe Regional Research what steps the Department of Electrooics Laboratory (RRL), Bbubaneswar bas played are taking to ensure maximum streu OD indigenisation electronics Uke an important role tbrousb its res each and of consumers' VCRs, etc; in the country, briDI down their development efforts at tbe utilisation.and and the reach CODscrvation of natural resources, espec18l1y prices bring tbem witbin of a common man? minerals and energy ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, whether any infrastructure has MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND been built to transfer tbe tecbnolo~ TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART­ developed by laboratories under the CouDcll MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, of Scientific and Industrial Research to the ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND industries or the common man; SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): The main products in the Consumer ElcctroDies (c) the broad outlines of such an ,ector include radio receiver sets; tape infrastructure built ; and recorders/two-io.oncs ; blact and white and colour television receiver sets; and .video (d) if not, the reasons thereof '1 cassette recorders (VCR)/video cassette players (VCP). THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE M~ISTR.Y OF SCIENCE AND Almost all components required for tbe TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART­ manufacture of radios tape recorders/two-in­ MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ones; and black and white television receiver ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND sets are DOW being manufactured in tbe SPACB (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) country_ These products are, therefore, Yes, Sir. Several techniques and teChno­ indi&enised. logies bave been developed by Regional Research Laboratory (RRL), Bhubaneswar As regards colour TV receiver sets, about for better utilisation and conservation of 20% of the components goinl into them are minerals and energy. Some of these are a vailable indigenously. The percentaae of ~very of. coal from coal wasberies, bene­ imported components in crv is expected to fiCiadOD of low-srade ores of cbromite, iron, come down to. about 60% by 1986-k7 ,• and m&D88neae and mqnosite, utilisatioD of ore become nomInal fr'?Jll 1988 oowards. The fines through pan sinterioR and enersy saving major steps taten to indiJehise components, oil fired burner. including those gOiDI into colour TV sets. include dellocnsial of tbo components iodUltry and allowiJl, MRTP and FBRA (b) and (c) All unencumbered in-house companies to manufacture componouts. so technologies developed by CSIR' laboratories that the resources and the capabilities 01 are commorciaUsed tbrough tbe National sucb companies are available to es,ablisb Research, Development Corporation, a public large &cale production of quality compouents, IICtOrr eDtetprise under the Government of . at reasonable prices. I.die. Other technologies developed with tho collaboration or financial inputs from UMJ'S are directly transferred by CSIR. In As resards VCR/VCP manufacture, only addition, the Poly technology Transfer Centres sucb parties wi)) be promoted as are prepared set up by CSIR in ten State capitals, interact to commit I ..ble iovestmeDtl for suitable with the regional tiny aDd small scale units vertical intep'atioo, with an aooeJerated for tr;lQsfer of tecbnolol)'. phased manufaeturin, PfOJf8lllDle;_d 1tS W""." blwr. PBALGUNA 21. 1907 " ...... 4) W,In", ~. l14

which bave 'tbe requisite in built capacity to (d) if so. at whicb ataae the matt er _p pace with the chanaiDl tecbnoloay. lies? Thu. a definite indigeniaatioD proaramme is built into tbe VCR/VCP manuracturing THE MINISTER. OF STAlE IN THE policy•. MINISTRY OF BNVIIlONM~NT AND FORESTS (SRRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) The otber major steps taken to promote The Dutcb Government have offered assii• ..tablishment of a senuinely indigenous tance for an integra] sanitation project In consumer electrooics industry and brinaml Kanpur for treatment of wastes from down prices include: tanneries and douaestic sources as well .. for tbe overall environmental improvemeDt (a> Issuina industrial approvals liber ally of the Jajmau area. The French Government witb viable production capacities. have offered assistance for scttms up • so tbat economies of scale are· lewaso treatment plant in Varanasi which derived and healthy competition will also recover bioenergy. ODcourased. (b) The assistance offered are botb for (b) board-banding of industrial licencesl financial and technical aspects. approvals. (c) The offers are still under consido­ (c) permitting import of technology, ration. where required to establish appro­ priate base, or strenathen!updatc (d) The project proposal are under existing base. with simultaneous evaluation. emphasis on its absorption, adapta­ tion and upgradation, to avoid repetitive tecbnoloBY imports. Space ProJect of ISRO SaRI MULLAPPALLY (d) reduction in duties on components RAMACHANDRAN: Will the PRIME so tbat tbese become available to MINISTER. be pleased to state : the equipment industry at reasonable prices ; as well a. reduction in customs duty on capital goods , (a) when' the next space project Is to required for tbe manufacture of be launched as per tbe space proaramme of components and products. tbe ISRO at Thumba in Kerala and details tbereof ;

HoI..... aDd Freaeb Asslltaeee la Curbing tb> whether ISRO Thumb. baa aD)' ,plans for collaboration witb any other lDdastrial Pollutloa country to launch ita project ;

2468. SHRI K.. PRADHANI: (c) if so, the detaila thereof; and SHRI R. P. DAS: Will the PR.IMB MINISTER be pleased to state : (d) the allocation of grants made to the ISRO Thumba and ISRO Madras whether tbe Holland and Frencb respective), during the Seventh Plan Period ? Government havo sbown interest in assisting part of tbe cleaaing of the industrial poilu .. THE ,MINISTER. OF STATB IN THE tion in industrial towns OD tbe banks of MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH. Oaqa vi&. Kanpur and Varanasi ; NOLOGY AND IN THB DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC (b) if 80. the nature of assistance ENER.GY, ELSClRONICS AND SPACE proposed to be rendered by tbClO cOUDtrics ; (SHRI smYRAJ V. PATIL):

, ~ , study in Sainik SChools and avail of their Details of the Indian Space Programme, education facilities. The State OovernmeDt its objectives, acbievements. etc., are scholarships are admissible only to those contained in the .pproved Spac:c Profile for domiciled in the concerned State. The 1980-90, which bas been placed on the discretion regarding laying down of income Table of tbe Lok Sabba on 19.8.1981. The limit of parents, and other conditions for performance and programme of the Depart­ award of such scholarships, rests with the ment of Space, including the activities at individual State Governments. Thumba and also ISRO's coUaboration with other countries. are contained in the Tbe Ministry of Defence awards Annual Reports and Performance Budgets scholarships, subject to a maximum of 36 of the Department of Space, copies of fuU scholarships per school, to the childreo which are available in the Parliament of Defence personneJ, iDcluding ex­ Library. servicemen.

(d) The allocation of funds for the .'Various activities and programmes of the The total number of 6cholarsbiJ'S Department is made under the broad availabJe to students in each Sainik School categories, Space Technology, Space is not fixed and depends on the llumber of Applications, Space Science and Central boys eligible for various scholarships. Management. The Vikram Sarabbai Space Centre at Thumba is an ISRO Centre, and as sucb, funds are anocated not as grants Ordnance Factory in Orissa aDd otller States but in accordance with its requirements to carryon the projects and progtammes and 2471. PROF. NARAIN CHAND also regular Rand D activities. There is PAR ASHAR : no ISRO Centre at Madras. SHRI SRIKANl'A DATTA NARSIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will tbe PaJlllent of Stlpeads In Salnik Sebools Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: 2470. PROF. NARAJN CHAND PARASHAll: Will the Minister of (a) whether an Ordnance factory hal PEFENCE be pleased to state: recently been sanctioned and s~t up in Orissa; (a) whether Government have oosurcd tbe sanction and payment of stipends at (b) if so, whetheJ other States have uniform· rates in aU Saioik Schools of tb e also demanded setting up of Ordnance country ; and factories ;

(b) , if 'so. the exact position in this (c) it so, the details 01 the demands regard and the rates at whiCh ·tb~ stipendS State-wise and tbe decision taken tbere~n; aTe paid in eacb .0. of :dJe S.inik SC~. at;l4 , .' ,;\~~,~~~~'~ I (d) if DO decision baa been taken 80 THB'MINISTBR OP STATB IN THB ·far the likely date by which a decision ia MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND likely to be taken ? TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DBPART­ MENTS OP OCEAN, DBVELOPMENT, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE. ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTR.ONICS AND DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCB SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): Yes Sir, an ordnance factory is DeiDg set (b) iTbC loss of US·NASA Space up ,in Bolangir district of Orissa. Shuttle orbiter "ChalleDser" and the resulting hiatus of Space Shuttle fliabtl have a potential of impactinl the INSAT-IC (b) to (d) Location of ordnance and INSAT-ID satellite launcbings and tbe "ra~t()ries is decided on techno-economic and associated Indian PayJoad Specialist Fliahts. strategic coosiderations. On requests The impacts and the implications are received from States/Union Territories viz. ex.pected to be clear]y and fuHy known in Himachal Pradesh, Kerala. Bibar and tbe tbe next two months. To meet aD even­ Union Territory of Pondicherry, they bave tuality where a timely Space shuttle launcb been informed that their requests would be for INSAT-lC is not feasible, the alternative kept in view while deciding location of new of launching INSAT-IC by an expendible ordoance factorie •. launch vehicle is beina investigated.

In addition, requests were received from Publieatioa of Map Marklag, Kuhm ir as Governments of Uttar Pradesh, Tamil Nadu MusHm State and Andhra Pradesh for location of the 2473. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA· factory for manufacture of Armoured CHANDRAN : Will the! Minister of Vehicles. Governments of Uttar Pradesh HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: and Tamil Nadu have been informed tbat a site in Jbaosi district of Uttar Pradesb is whether Government are aware that b~ing considered for tbe purp03C. Govern­ Kasbmir bas been marked as a Muslim State ment of Andbra PradeSh has been informed in the Diary published by the Students winS thal apart from the ordnance factory being of tbe Jamayitba Islami (Students Islamic set up in Medak district, it bas been decided movement of India) in Prathiksha Publi­ to locate a new unit of Bharat Dynamics cations of Calicut in Kerala ; and Limited, at a site contiguous to the above project. (b) what steps have been taken by Government to put an end to these aDti~ natio.nal and divisive designs?

Effect of ChallengeR BurniDg 08 FuoctloniDl THE MINISTER OF· STATE IN THB of INSAT-IB DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL 2472. PROF. NARAIN CHAND SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) and (b) A Diary' published by tbe PARASHAR : Will tbe PRIME MINISTER. be pleased to state : Students Islamic Movement of India tbrough­ Pratbeeksha publications, Calicut. contained a World Map showing tbe State of Jammu (a) whether the functioning of tbe and Kashmir in Green colour indication INSAT ·1 B bas been adversely affected by thereby tbat it waa a part of uThe World of the burning away of Challenger in tbe Islam" whicb appaiontly re~~red to areas United States in January, 1986 ; and bavins a predomioontJy MuslilD population.

(b) it so, the extent to wbich\ the A Criminal cale under SettiOD lS3·~/B programmes in the field of toJe-communica­ IPC has been registered by the Io<:al police tioQ,s and S pace research would be adversely against ~bose connected witb publication of ~ffected in I'ndia and the alte,rDate str~~ tbe Diary., Action for sei~Ule of the: cPP•• beina worked out to salvale tbe damqe on of the ~.r.Y. where\'or sea. bas bea tUtQ aila' 'iQoto ? bl tbe looa1 audlori~ VlIlt of CuadIlD ForetID M ....ter it haa been stated that tbere have beeD irregularities OD mus·scale in MazagoD ,2414. SHRI P. M. SAYBBD : Docks, Bombay in assisning contracts, under SHRI B. V. DESAI: indenting and excess supply of cOltly items ; Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIR.S be pleuod to atato : (b) whether tbere baa been piiferaae of Docks property on a larae acale ; and (a) whether CaDada's foreign Minister Yiaited India in the 3rd week of Decombcr. (c) whether Governmont propose to 1985 ; inquire into the matter and if 80 action taken by Government in regard thereto ? (b) if so., the outcome of the djscussions bold by him witb tbe representatives of THE MINISTBR OF STATE IN THB Government ,of India; DBPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PR.O. DUCTION AND DEfENCE SUPPLIES (c) whether be also talked about tb (SHRI SUKH RAM): (a) Yea, Sir. Indians Iivina in Canada and induJaillS ien terrorism and anti· India activities ; (b) Pilferage of off-shore stores worth approximately Rs. 10 Lakhs bas been reported. (d) whether Government of Canada has initiated extradition action against those individuals mentioned in part (c) above; (c) The issues raised in the press report and have been looked into by tbe Govt. aDd except the allegation relating to tbe pilfcJ'88f:l. (e) if 80, tbe result tbereof ? others have been found to be of no substance. Tho Ma08&ement. bas taken actioD against THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL tbose responsible. The case is also under AFfAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT)

(d) No, Sir. (a) whether Government propose to chango the exiating recruitment policy in (0) Does not arise •. Governmont to promote better and fuller employment to educated youth :

IrreaDIa~tle. In MazaaOD Doeb. Boaabe, (b) if 50, th~ details thereof; and

247S. SHRI DHARAM' PAL SINGH (c) if .not. the reasoos tberefor '1 MALIK: IHRI SUBHASH YADAV : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 'THE Will the Minisicr of DEFBNCE be MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC . 'p1eued to state : ORIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRJ P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) to (c) (a) whether Government'. attention has Recruitment policy is framed to recruit tile been drawn to the DeWS item appearing in beat talcnt for varjoua jobs in GOYOrnmtDt. tb' Blitz dated 28th· Dooember~ 1985 wberein Thil polier II under constant rcview to ""' i'HALGU1~~A I 2J, 1to7 (S8d)-- ... tho . objective by Ministries/Departments (8) whether Government bave asked controllinl a particular cadre or service. tbe University of Delhi and lawaharlal The scheme of tbe civil Services Examination, Nebru University to sot up a special coli to throuah which recruitment is made to all tackle the problem of druB abuse ; India Services and non-technical Central Civil Services is also kept under review by (b) if 80, whether Government have the Department of PersoDnel and TrainiDJ. 8uuested tbat these cells could be patterned 04 the one set up in Bombay University; and [ Tro",'ationj Kola Atomic Power PI.at (c) if so, whether an inter-ministerial Iroup OD drua abuse has been functioninl 2477. SBRI VIRDHI CHANDBR JAIN: to moniter and review the problem '1 Will the PRINE MINISTER be plcased to state : THB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI (a) whether it is a fact that Unit I of GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) YOSt Sir. the Atomic Power Station, Kota bas been Iyilll closed since loog aod earlier also it . (b) Yes, Sir. bad been closed for two years; (c)" Yes, Sir.

(b) if so, the nature of defects in the Citlzeasblp to Sri Laak•• Stateless Persoas said unit wbich our scientists have not been able 10 rectify 80 far ; and 2479. SHRI B. V. DESAI: SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: (c) the time by which it is likely to be Will tbe Minister of EXTERNAL rectified ? AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

tHE MINISTER. OF STATE IN THE (a) whether 43,000 persons of Indian MINISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND origin in Sri Lanka bave been granted Sri TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART­ Lankan citizenship during the month of MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, December, 19~5 and January, 1986 ; ATOMIC BNERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) (b) whether tbe citizenship was given and (b) Unit 1 of Rajasthan Atomic Power under tbe 1984 agreement between Sri Lanka Station was shutdown in Marcb, 1982 due and India; to a light water leak from one of its end shields. After repairing tbe end sbield, tbe (c) whether nearly 84,000 people of Unit was synchronised in February, 1985. Indian origin bave been aiven Indian The Unit had a contiouous ruo at a power citizensbip ; level of 170 MWe for about 1 months during (d) whether the question of 93,000 the period March-May. 1985. Tbe Unit others who were categorised as stateless have bas been shutdown since May 20, J985, a. not been considered for sraotioll citizenship tbe liaht water leak from. the end shield at all so far by the Sri Lanka Government; recurred. Investip'ions revealed a new aDd leak path .in the lame ond shield at a location a(ijacent to the previous onc. (e) if so, how maoy items are still pending for implementation under the 1964 (c) The repair work is expected to be aareement and when it is likely to be ful1" completed by middle of 1986. implemented '1 THE MINISTER OF EXTSRNAL [Engli6h] AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT): Drul Abuse 10 Unlversltl. No Sir. Darins tbe months of December 1985 aud JU1J&t11986, 663 persoDs of Indian . 2478. SHRI B. V. D~SAI: Will tbo oriIiD baVl beeo Il'BDtcd Sri Lug MiDiater of WBLFARB bo ploasod to state :

(b) No Sir. The 663 persoDs referred (b) Question does not arise. to in para (a) above have been graoted Sri Lanka citizenship under tbe Indo-Sri Lanka lllpielDeDtatlon 01 Social Forestry Schemes Agreement of 1964. 2481. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Win PRIME MINISTER stlte: (c) No Sir. In terms of the Accord the be pleased to reached between India: and Sri Lanka on 15.1.86, about 85,000 stateless persons of (8) whether different criteria and ways Indian origin. who bad applied for Indian and means are adopted for implementina citizenship before 30.10.81 under tbe Indo­ tbe programme of social forestry in various Sri Lanka Agreement of 1964 and whose areas of the country, and many agencies are applications are pendinl. are to be aranted at work in this field ; Indian citizenship, These applications are under cinsideration and being processed. (b) if so. whether be is aware of the fact that this gives rise to confusion in the (d) As per the Accord reached between minds of the people in regard to tbe India and Sri Lanka on 15.1.86, 94,000 programme ; and persols. who bad not applied for Indian citizenship under tbe 1964 Agreement before (c) if so, whether Government propose to advise the State Governments to consti­ 30.10.81 t arc to be granted Sri Lanka citizenship. Legislation to this effect was tute a central agency for coordinating tbe '··l'(,., passed by tbe Sri Lanka Parliament on implementation of this programme? 31.1.86. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (e) The question of repatriation of MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND persons who have been granted Indian FORESrS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): <8> citizensbip is to be taken up later. and (b) Yes, Sir. While many agencies are at work in this field both governmental and non-governmental-the content, as well [Translation] as criteria and ways means of implementing the programmes differ from State in the Utilisatioo of Forest Land aDd Forests country. leading to some confusion, which Pancbayat Laod for Purposes otber Tbao also arises from the multiplicity of agencies Forestry involved in the prosramme of afforestation.

2480. SHRI HARISH RAW AT: WilJ (c) In the Action Plan for Wastelands the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: Development adopted by the National Land Use and Wastelands Development Council (a) whether Government have received recently t it has been decided that a nodal a .proposal for approval to utilise the forest agency /mechanism should be created in Panchayat land for purposes other than each State for (0 coordinating, funding forestry in order to set up a bio-medicine and activities relatina to. different schemes production unit at Tarikbet in Uttar Pradesh; of afforestation and wastelands development and (ii) monitoring and evaluation of the and various schemes. This would also araduatJy help standardise tbe criteria and ways and (b) if so, the date on which this means of implementation throughout the proposal was sent back to the State Govern­ country. ment with objections and tbe details of those objectioDs ? (Englllhl THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THB Pro,.,' to Study SMOG in tbe Capital MINlSTR. Y OF ENVIRONMBNT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI).: (a) Yes 2482. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: Sir. The proposal haa beeD .approved and SHRI BARISH RAWAT: the approval CODVOyed to tbe Statement OD ,SHRl MANIK REDDY: Will .0. 9.1981. tho P)lIMB MlNISm be p1... to Itlto, 125 Wri"." MIl"", PHALGUNA 21, 1907, (8.41".4)

(c) if not, the likely dates by whlcb L.UDthIDg of Satellite from Vall,. Maloatl tbe revision would be completed and tbe policy implemented and the reasons for 2485. SHRI VAKKOM dolay? PURUSHOTHAMAN: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state whether 80Y decision has been taken to launch MINISTER THE OF STATE IN THE satellite from "Valiya Malogil" under, the MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND supervision of Vikram Sarabbai Space fORESTS (SHRI Z. R, ANSARI): <8> Centre in tbe Seventh Plan ? No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Does not. arise. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH­ NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART~N1'S (c) In viow of the subject and the OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC need for exatriiniDI all aspects it is difficult ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE tb .,t &\ preciae date by which the revision (SHR. SHIV RAJ V. PATIL): T." i. , VlO\1ld 'be comptete". ~o suc:b proposaJ~ Sif. . U1 Wrltttlt .4111.,," MARCH 12. 1986 W""",4",.",,, l28

Extlaetloa of Must Deer TBB MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI B.R. BRAGAT): {a) and 2486. saRI CHJRANJl tAL SHARMA: (b) Government took up the matter of Will tbe PR.IMB MINISTER be pleased Shri Harinder Singb t formerly Pirst Sectetary to state : in. Embassy of India. Oslo's descertion. with the Norwegian authorities both in Oslo aad in Delhi. 10 the absence of aoy (a) whether it is a fact that musk deer Extradition Treaty between India and is being extinct day by day due to relentless Norway the question of extradition was not buntina by poachers in Himalayan region; formally pursued. and

(b) if so, steps to be taken to save [Tra",latlon] thom? Agreeeats wltll Weft' GerD'hlIIf THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MIN1STRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND 2488. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Although the numbers of musk deer bad be pleased to state : reduced in tho put, it is not in danger of extinction in the country. (a) whather detailed talks were beld (b) Musk deer is included in Schedule recently between India and West Germany I of the Wild Life (Protc:tion) Act, 1972, for setting up jOint ventures and for technical cooperation ; thus afiording lcpl protection apinJt hunting and trade. It is alsQ listed in Appendix I of the Convention on Interna­ (b) if so, the outcome of tbe talks held • tional Trade in Endangered Species of Fauna and ' and Flota (CITES) under which International trade in the ,pecies and its strictly teaulated. (c). the points on wbicb both tbe The Export Policy of Government does not coontnes agreed and tbe time by which these permit export of musk deer and its are litely to be implemented ? derivatives. Captive breeding of tbt species has been taken up in some states. The habitat of the lpe<:ies bas been protected by THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL ,t eoDstituting national parks and sanctuaries AFFAIRS (SHRJ B. R. BHAOAT): (a) in aU states and union territories in its Dr. Lotbar Spaeth, Minister"President (Chief Minister) of the State of Baden"Wurttcmber range of distribution. a of t~e Federal Republic of Germany Visi(e~ p ~ndJa ~rom 21st to 27th January, 1986 at the f( JtlyJ~tlon of the Minister of State for Externa) Affairs. He was accompanied b pI 'El.trI.. ltloll or la4Iu Emba., PefSOIlnel 1fbo Sougbt Asylamln Norway a . 2~ .. member delegation of leading indU;' 81 1rlailsts of that state besides senior official 2487. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE: scientists and. journalists...... , Du"fto bIos st ay 10,s, Will the Minister of EXTERNAL New Delhi, he bad bdateraJ taJ.b with th O PI AFFAIR.S be pleased to state: Minister of State for External Affairs. H m also called on Minister of Statt) for IndQlt e ot and Ministor of Human Resources DeV"lo~ (a) whether no formal request was menlo He addressed a meeting f mado by for extradition of the Gov~mmont businessman/industrialists orsanised by ~ M diplomat in Indian Embassy in Norway who Association of Indian Bftgineering Jndu!tr e F( defected and sousht political asylum from 1. Sit Norwegian Government in lune, 1984 and thl embezelled Rs. nlnJ/ .. from tbe Embassy (b) 1?urin8 tbe discussions. tbe FRG ,ide ~Q, fund; and showed mtore&t to set up joint ventures with tbe amall and medium industrios of Badm. (b) if so. tho reasOQS therefor 1 WQfttembora in lndift, .. Alliwerl i 30 1~9 .,,,,,.,, .."'" ,PHALauNA 21. 1901 (SA.KA) W,,,,,,,

(0) Tho visit was .of an exploratory (c) whether Union Government have nature.1 It is expected that this visit would Jodscd any protest with the Government of lortbor)atreoatbeo the bilateral relations Peru ? botwoeo India and the- Federal Republic of Germany. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT):' (a) Yes, Sir.

8Mct1oa1 .platt SOot" Afrlea a"IIM (b) Simultaneously -in addition to 0 ur Embass, Chancery, attacks -by dynamite 2489. SHRI ANAND SINGH: Win explos ive were reported on the Embassies of tbe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIR.S be USA, FRG, China, Arsentina, Spain, a1l4 pleased to state: U. K. There is no information of aoy persons or organisations having c1aimed

(bl if so, what was tbe response of the (c) No, Sir. It may be Doted thal the Human Rights Commission thereto, indica .. attacks bad been carried out by unidentified tina the reaction of the big Powers' terrorists and tbe Government of Peru bad conveyed their regrets aod extended fuD deleptions to tbe Commission; support to $trengtben tbe security arraDSO­ menti of the Indian Embassy Premises. THE MINISTER OF EXTER.NAL AFFAIR.S (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT): (a) Yes, Sir. A cop, of tbe slatement made on tbe subject on 12.2.86 by tbe Leader of tbe l Tronl/al/on J Indian Delegation at tbe 42nd session of the HumaD Riabts Commission is laid on the Develop.eDt ,of Dacolt Infested Areal Table of the House. [Placed in Library, Sec No. LT-2470j86]. 2491. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: Will the Minister of PLANNING be' pleased (b) Tbe Itatement 'reiterates our well to .tate : Gown stand OD the subject, which bat bee. oxPlcssod at the earlier sessions of tbe (a) whether the PlaDning Commissiou Human R.iahts Commission a ,so and does gave serious consideration to the question or Dot contain any new policy element to development of dacoit infested areas of warraat spccific reaction from the delegations Madbya Pradesh. Uttar Pradesh and Rajas" of major powets. than; and

Duaap of , .... Embllsy ID Lima (b) tbe details of the provisions made therefor during the Seventh Plan ? '2490. SHR.IMATI NIRMALA KUMAR) SHAKTAW AT': Will the Mini~tor of EXTBJUiAL AFFAIRS be pleased to stato : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A.K. whether it il a fact' tbat the Indian PANJA): (a) A Working Group 01) leeel';­ Bmbala), in Lima bal been damaled by some rate~ development Qf dacoity prone areas 0' auerrillu ; U.P.• M.P. and Rajastban, was set up in Juae, 1983, whicb .ub~ittcd ita report iD (b) if 10, tho reaiOOI tbmof ; aDd J-", 1985. . 131 Wrltt,,, A.",." MAttCH 12. 1916 tV,."", .4 ••" t~2

(b) Tbe Working Group recommended (b) whether it is also a ract tbat tbe scbemes relating to ravine reclamation. road! army bas held a camp 1his year at "Bbap Bridges construction and rural electrification. Talap' (Bandr~ Gram) and its catch1fttnt Provisions for these programmes made in the arel near Utarlai pond and is .conductlol A.nnual Plans of tbe Central Ministries exercise; concerned are as follows :- (c) whether it is also a fact tbat clear (Rs. crore~) instructions have been issued by the't.tiniltry in this regard tbat army should neitber bold Programme: 1985-86 1986-87 its camp nor conduct exercise at the places of rural populat:on, ponds and catchment 1. Ravine reclamation 0.10 '12.00 area .thereof.; and 2. Road/Bridges 4.00 15.00 construction. (d) if so, the steps beiDa taken to comply with these instructions ? 3. Rural Electrification 11.60 27.44 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN r-.sE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE [English] RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHill ARUN SINGH): (a) to (d) The Army Licences Granted in 1985-86 for T. V. does hold camps for training exercises in tbe sets in Andhra Pradesh desert areas, but camping near ponds and in their catchment areas, which are low­ 2492. SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY: lying, is generally avoided. Water is WIll the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to collected from authorised w •. ter points with state the number of industrial licences granted the concurrence of the local administration. in the year 1985·86 for parts of TV sets or connected electronics in Andhra Pradesh ? There are instru.:tioos tha t while carryiDI out such exercises and holding camps. due THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE care is taken to avoid villages and standiol MINISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND crops to the extent possible. TECHNOLOGY AND IN 'THE DEPART­ 'MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT It would not be desirabJe to disclose ATOVlIC ENERGY, ELECTRONIC<) AND details about areas where such exercises. bave SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): In been or are being carried out. the year 1985-86 one unit was issued a Let'er of Intent and 2 units were issued SIA Regis­ trations for the manufacture of electronic [E",I/shl " components used in aT. V. Set. WentiBeation of Beckward Areas

[Tran8iation] . 2494. DR.. G. S. RAJHAN.S: Will the Minister of PLANNING.be P!eased to state: Army Exercl~es In Desert Areas (a) whether the PlaDDin. Commission 2493. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: bas asked the State Government to identified Will the Minister of ~EFENCE be pleased backward areas for development ; to state: (b) if so, wbetker any ,State O~nu (a) whether it is a fact tbat the army bave'sent to the Union, Q.overapent the Ult bolds camp for exercise near ponds and baria of Backward areas of their States; and and catchment area in the border desert areas in the country wbere there is serious (c) if so, tbe detail,' ·tlr:r~r ~anlt~ tbe water problem as a ,rosult of whicb people amount sanctioned for dovelopment 'bf :.,tbo!e of that area have to faoc areat difliculty ; arcal duriol tbe Seventh PJan period ? PHALGU'NA 2i, 1907 (.s.4KA) Written An,wers 134'

!fHS, MI,NISTER OP STATE IN THB THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE M(NI~TR.Y OP PLANNING (SHRI A.K. DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL PANJA): (a) No. Sir. SECUR.ITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) Under the Foreign Contribution (Regula'tion) Act, 1976. Member of a (b) and (c) Do not ari4le. Legislature, Office be.iTer of a political party, Judge, Government servant or an employee of any' Corporation (owned or Proposal to Provide Fins.cial ASlistaace controlled by Government only is required to obtain prior permission of tbe Central to State Ponutlon Prevention Boards. Government for acceptance of any foregin 249S. DR. G S. R·.\JHANS: Will the hospitality wbiJe visiting any country or PRIME MINIS1ER be pleased to state: territory outside India. (b) None, Sir. (a) whether there is any proposal under the consideration of Government to provide financial assistance to the pollution preven .. Disposal or Cases by AdmiDistrati,e Tribunals tiOD boards in the States for acquiring 2497. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD necessary. equipments : and SINGH: WilJ the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (b) if so, the details thereof in this regard? (a) whether Government propose to p..J blicise the, judgments delivered by tbe A dministrative Tribunals f(n the guidance THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and use of the Government servants and the MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Government ; FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) and (b) The State Pollution Control Board (b) the rate of progress of disposal of are funded by tbe respective State Govenment cases by the Central Administrative Tribunal and no tinanciol aid from the Centra) per month and with that rate when will it Government is provided. However, assis­ be able to liquidate the arrears ; and tance in the from of technical support, laboratory equipment, instrumentation for pollution monitoring and traininl of (c) number of cases transferred to tbe penonnel is provided by the Central Central Administrative Tribunal and the Government. year-wise break-up thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC Persons Prosecuted under Foreign GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI CODtribution (Regulaflon), Act. , P. CHIDAM BARAM): (a) There is at present no proposal before the Governm~nt 2496. DR. A. K. PATEL: Will the for pubHcising the judgements delivered by Minist~r of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to the Administrative Tribunals. However, it Slate: bas come to tbe notice of tbe Government . some private aaencies are already brinsiD8 out journals containing select judgements (a) whether public personages are delivered by the Tribunal. allowed to accept hospitality in foreign lands s~ct to G,overnment's clearaace under (b) and (c) The Central Administrative Poreilft CODtributioa (Rclulation) Act; and Tribunal with five Benches started function­ ing with effect from 1.11.1985. Three more . (b) details' ,reaardio8 M.Ps, Journalists, B~ncbes of the Tribunal have started membez:s of political and other parties who fUnctioDiDI with effect from 3.3.1986. It is were prosecuted under tbis Act durin. tbe proposed to set up seven more BeDche~ bf lal' tbreo ),can? 30.6. 1996. MARCH i2. • 986

As the Tribunal bas been set up recently (b) tbe dates of appointment of this it is too early to asses the rate of disposal Commission and of submission of tbe and tbe time by which it would be" possible reports; and for the Tribunal to dispose of tbe arrears. Tbe number" of cases transfered by the (c) in respect of wbich of the Commi­ various courts to the Central Administrative ssion, tbeir terms of refcrence were cbang"d Tribunal upto 28.2.1986 is 3892. Since tbo" . and the reasons tberefor ? process of transfer of cases is still not complete, it is not "possible to live precise THE MINISTBR OF STATE IN THB information relating" to the year-wise break­ DEPARTMENT OF INTBRNAL up of cases transferred~ SECURITY (SHRt ARUN NEHRU): to (c) The requisite information is .iven in Steps to Streagtbea FIDger PriDt Bureau, the statement below. Calcutta Statement 2498. SHR! HANNAN MOLIAH: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 1. Thakkar Commi,Jioll 01 Inquiry t pleased to state : (a) Thakkar Commission of Inquiry was appointed to inq uire into the (a) the steps Government is going to assassination of late Prime Minister. take to strenjthen Finger Print Bureau, Smt. Indira Gandhi. Calcutta;

(b) The Commission wa~. appointed on (b) whether the Gov~rnment has 20.11.84. The Interim Report was received any proposal or memorandum in submitted on 19.11.85 and final tbis regard ; report WaS submitted on 27.2.86.

(c) if so, details tbereof ; and (c) The terms of reference of the Commission were not changed. (d) the reaction of the Government thereto? 2. Rtmlanalh Mish,a CommJ,.lon I THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL (a) Raoganatb Misbra Commission of SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) Inquiry was appointed to inQuire The Finger Print Bureau. Calcutta and some ioto alleaatioDs in regard to tbe . other units dealing with crime records are incidents of organised violence in proposed to be merged with newly constituted Delhi, following the assassination National Crime Records Bureau. of Smt. Indira Gandhi, the late Prime Minister. (b) No, Sir. (b) The Commission was appointed OD 26.4.85 and it was required to (c) and (d) Does not arise. submit its report to the Government with in six mon tbe. This period AppolDtmeat of Commissions of Enquiry has further been extended for Ii" months. 2499. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: Will the Minister of HOMB AFFAIRS be (c) The terms of refercnoc Gf tbo pleased to state : Commission were enbanced Oil 3rd September, 1985 to entrust to (a) the purposes for which ,the inquire into the allegatioDs of tbe Commissions of Enquiry were appointed incidents and diatrubancea whicb during the last three years under the took place at Kaopur and Botaro Commission of Enquiry Act, 1952 ; (Cbal) a180. 3. The Comml"lon 0/ Jllqllt,y 011 A."Gm· (a) wbether Government have ~Ol1si .. Nco/aMi Border Conflict: dered tbe suggestion made at a recent seminar on plantation opportuDities tbat (a) The Commission is mainly to India must more fully exploit the potontial probe into tbe conduct of tbe -afforded by plantation crops for providing officials of the Governments of runtl employment and raising rUI'at jncomes ; Assam and Naplaod includinl their uniformed persoDnel lead ina (b) jf f!O, whether tbe idea of permi­ to tho clasbcs in tbe first week of ttiog corporate bodies, especially tbose Juoc, 1985 at the inter-state border. dependent on forests for tbeir raw materiaJ. The Commission is yet to submit like the match and pa per industries, bas its report. The term of tbe also been taken into consideration; Commission bas been extended upto 31s' July. 1986. (c) if not, tbe reasons therefor when the need is urgeDt because of repaid defores~ (b) The CommilSion was appointed OD tatloD caused by the ever-growing demand 2 ast August, 198'. for fuel, fodder. timber and other food products and pulp ? (c) There has been DO change in tbe terms of reference of tbe Commi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND slion. FORESTS (SHRf Z. R. ANSARI): The Government have seen newsreports of Deaths and Births Registered 10 Kerala a seminar oraanised by private industry. 1a1985 (b) The National Wastelan'-1s Develop.. ~SOO. SHRI MULLAPP4LLY ment Board bas independently considered RAMACHANDRAN: Will the Minister of and drawn up an Action Plant under which HOMB AFfAIRS be pleased to state: it has been emphasised that forest based industries must be encouraged to utilise (8) tbe number of deaths and births wastelands through captive plantations or reaistered in the State of Kerala in 1985 ; farm forestry to meet their raw material and demand.

(b) what proportion do these fiaures (c) Does not arise. bear to tbe corresponding !lationa) figures ?

THE MINiSTER OF STATE IN THE Orduance Factory 10 Hazariba", DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL 2502. SHRI 5lDHA LAL MURMU: SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) Will tbe Minister of DEFENCE be Information on registered deaths aDd births pleased to state : in Keral. for tbe year 1985 is available only upto tbe month of October. 1985. the (a) whether tbe Government of Bihar ftaures arc 91.602 anJ 388,614 for deaths have made a vailabJe suitable and birth. respectively. . Government land (7658.)3) acres for settiol up of an Ordnance Factory at Bariyardib (b) rbe correspondiDI all·lndia fiaU~1 , Mor (Markacho. Hazaribagh) wb!ch is are D~ available. pollution free, dry· as well as moist and' located near Dobro Steel plant, and is Plata.. Crop for Rar81 Emplo,.•• t most economical : and

2501. SHRI K. PRADHANI: (b) if 80, whether tbe Union Govern. SRR! SA NAT KUMAR. meat PfOPOIO to depute experts to Bar;yardib MANDAL : Win the PRIME Mor (MarbcIao) for examiniog its suitability MINISTER. be pleued to .tate : MtdaI up of .. orciDIDCO factory tbero ? MARtH'i2. 1986

THE M1N'ISTER OF STATE IN THE MIs. Da1mia Cement (I'harat) D£~ARTMENT OF DEFENCE Limited, Tami'J Nadu ; PR'ODOCTION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES (SHRI SUKH RAM): (a) and ~/s. ~eenaksbi Electronics (b) In connection with the likely setting Limited, K~Drur ; up of an' ordnance factory. some State Governments including Bihar bav: been MIs. Straw Products Limited, New approached for offer of suitable sites. Delbi ; and Government of Bihar' have offered a few sites including, one in Markacbo of Hazari­ baah District. These sites will be evaluated MIs. Pieco Efectronics aDd Electri­ along with otbers in accordance with the cals Ltd, Bombay. prescribed procedure. Letter of Intent issued to Mis. Mecnaksbi Electronics was cancelled due PrOductloD or Colour TV by MRTP FlrlDS to non-implementation, of tbe project. 2503.:· SHRI CiilNTAMANI lENA: Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (c) Government had received representa­ state : tions from T.V. manufactUl'efS asainlt the entry of multinationa', and foreiln equity <8> whether Government have decided hoJding companies in tbi~ industr)'. to allow tbe MRTP firm to make colour televisions ; (d) These representadons haft beeD into account and Government are of tbe (b) if so, the Dumber of MR IP firols view that the current policy mt"Dtioned above who have applied for colour televisions will t8 ke· better care of consumer interest licence and their name; tbrouab improw'ement in quality and tecbfto­ logy and wiU not also affect tbe iAdue,"Y (c) whether the Indian manufao.turers of because the demand for T.V. receivers is colour television have complained against increasing. tbe decIsion and suggested uovernment that these complaints would not be tIt into this field; and Afforestation of HI1I1 Areas under lO-Poiat Pro~ramme (d) if iO, the reaction of Government thereto? 2504. SHRI PIYUS TIRAK Y: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF :SCiENCE AND TECHNOLOuY AND IN 1HE DEPART­ (8) tbe steps laken under 20- Point Pro­ MENTS OF O~EAN DEVELOPMENT, gramme towards afforcs! ation of hilty areas, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND now stand barren and bare all over the SPACE (SHKI SHIVRAJ V. PATJL): country; (a) The colour T.V. Policy was announced' by Government on 2~.2.19fB. According to it, all sectors of the industry except (b) state·wise J)logress made in tbis , foreian equity companjes could participate reaani ; in tbe manufacture of Colour T.V. seta. Subsequently, vide Resolu tion dated J.1.1986 (c) the steps taken to discourasc humaD companies with f oreig. equity not exceediol ha bitat.ioa in forest .reas ,of .... ,.... ry; 4O'J6 arc also allowed to participate in this and industry subject to certain conditiQDs. (d) the progress mad'e towards tr. (b) The foUowio. four M&7P C(Jm~ plalltatiod on road side all over tbe cq~Dtr, panics have/bad appliJd Jot· 1ad\fltrral includina in ftcant Jaffe! alon. tbo rafNrl, ""DQC to ma nulagturo TV IOta : traga? 141 ~"'" ~u_. PHAJ:.QlJNA .21t .1907 (S .. KIf) .W,'tten A.n8W" . . J42

17MB "MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The stat~wjse "r<'lftss made ,in MINISTRY OF ENVJRONM'ENT AND respect of total r·iforesfaticn under the 20- FORESTS Point Progf8trme in J985-86 is give D in tbe Afforestation is oDe of tb' constituents .of statement below. No separate information tbe 20 Point Programme (part of Point 12 about- aft'erestation dont on billy areas is of tbe Programme). It covers afforestation available. of hilly area. also. The steps taken under tbis prOiramme include promotion of social forestry and farm forestry, tbrouab (c) The guidelines com municated by tbe dtceotralised :'llurseries, distribution of Government of India to 811 the State seodliolS. encouragement of block plantations Governments/UTs state that. in the working over commuDity and othtr .land and arant Plans prepared for managMnent of forests, of tree pattas to tbe rural poor and Jandless. measures to control shifting cultivation and A speciatstep to provide additional resources encroachment are to be sptci·fica1Jy prescribed. for afforestation under this ,programme is In addition, under the Forest Conservation tbe minimum earmarkins of 20 per cent of Act, diversion of forest land for non-forestry tbe funds available to each State under the purposes, including habitation, has been National Rural Employment Programme severely restricted. (NREP) and the Rural Landless Employment Guarantee PrOiramme (RLEGP) in '1985.;86. An additional earmarking of a minimum of (d) Block plantations are carried out in S per cent under these two scbemes has been strips alongside roads, railways and canals. made for decentralised nurseriec; in 1986 .. 87. Details of roadside plantation are not Tbus, tbe' total earmarking under NREP/ available. 22,000 hectares have been RLEGP for afforestation would be Rs. 119 afforested along rail sides, out of a total of crores in 1986.. 87. 88,000 hectares fit for afforestation.

Statement

Three PlantatiOD

Poi'" 12 If o/the 20·Polnt Programme

Total No. of Seedlings Planted/to be Plantfd

(In lakh Nos.

Sl. State/U.T Annual target Progress upto end of No. 1985 .. 86 Decerubor 1985

(I) (2) (3) (4)

1. ,Andbra Pradesh 2600 2641 2. Assam 400 398 3. Bihar 1500 1491 4. Gujarat 2550 2371 :5. Haryana 950 731 6. Himachal Pradesb . SSO 4SS 7. Jammu aDd Kashmir 350 165

~. It.faataka ..,0' .2615· 143 rY,llIef' ~"'''n'. MARr'H 12, 1988

(1) (2) (3) ,(4)

9. Kera)a 600 li66

10. Madbya Pradesh 3500 3501

11. Mabarashtra 2000 2125

12. Manipur 120 125

13. MegfJalaya 130 130.75

14. Nagaland 180 269

1 S. Oriasa 2142 lOIS

16. Punjab '27 49'

17. Rajasthan 820 8S0

18. Sikkim 82 32

19. Tamil Nadu 1100 675

20. Tripura 1'0 200

21. Uttar Pradesh 3250 3494

22. West BeDgal 1100 1032

23. A &. N Islands 9S 76 24. Arunachal Pradesb 100 29

2S. Chandigarh 2.90 1.485·

26. D'&N Hav.li 30 26

27. Delbi 25 23

28. Goa, Daman & Diu 32 33

29. Laksbadweed 0.04 O.O19~

30. Mizoram 700 700

31. Pondicherry 10 3 ...._--...._-.------._, Total: ----28095.94 21001.254

• Indicates 61ures upto end of Soptember. 1915. ,...... ~ ...... C_t/Hlall Crime beads 1985 __..._ ...... ---- c.tI ApIast A_lahtratl,. TrIbaI\ 1. Bank robbery. dacolt) & . 10 necwo. burstar' 2505. SHill AMAIt ROYPRAD~AN : 2. Murder 311 Will the PlUMB MINISTER. be pleased to 3. Rape 19 ltate :

•(b) The exact fiprcs or IndIan 2506. SHRI BHATTAM SRlllAMA en8tOeera and science researchers loIn • . MURTY: abroad i. Dot maintained and 8valtab)e. SHRI T. B~SHBBR. ~ SHRI AJOY BI SWAS : Will ,be Minister of HO\iB AFPAIRS be (c) Some of tbe measures beiD, takeD pleated to ."te tbe Dumber of buk robberies are :- and dacoitlel, m\)rdon and rapes committed in Delhi during the Jalt OlIO yoar ? (i) The TrainiD,and Placement Section of each III teeps cloae and constan THE MIN1STER. Of STATS IN THE liaison with Indian indultrleS; DBPA1l1'M'BNT OF INTBltNAL orpnlsatioDI to enlPre that th SBCURITY (SHRI ARUM NaKR.U) : student, set Dot ooly a job but e The crime numbert ODder theM bead. durf." place wbere \heir talents COUld": bett utUiatd. Tbro»lh t.. e6"rta tho ,.r 1985 (1.1.85 '0 31.11.'5) "~e as IoDowt : ... Dum,*" of .t\ldelil .. MARCH 12, 1986 Wrltt." ,4"•• " I 48

selected by tbe Indian industriesl (b) tbe steps Government have taken organisations, every year, through to curb the vehicles theft ? . Campus interviews. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB . (ii) Outlays for Science & Technology DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL have been inc reased in the su*ccessive SEC.URITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) Five Year Plans. The number of such tbeft cases reported ia Delhi during the years 1984 and 1985 are aa follows : . (iii) A" numb~r of schemes have been initiated for recognising talented young scienti$ts and providing ,Theft of 1984 1985 them appropriate research facilities. Scooters 919 97j Cars 857 822 (iv) Fellowship and Associatesbip are being provided alongwitb appropriate M afor Cycles 437 368 f~ci1ities. Buses 28 26 Cycles 2142 1949 (v) Programmes have been launched Taxis ·through which 'core' groups of 23 10 scientists are created in the country TSRs/MCRs. 96 175 with all necessary modern facilities Trucks 32 46 required for pursuing research in Other Vf'hjcl~ DeW frontier areas of science. 92 76

(b) Government bas substantially (vi) New scientific departments, increased the manpower and mobility of or~anisations such as, Department of Environment, Ocean Development Delbi POlice, and also sanctioned sophistica­ New Energy Sources, Department ted equipment particular1y in the- communi­ of Biotechnology etc. have been set cations network. There is increased police up and some of these are in high vigilance. intensive foot and mobile patrollina armed patrollinQ with ,walkie·talkie sets and technology areas. wireless fitted Motor Cycles, checking of vehicles at public congregations and OD (vii) A S & T Entrepreneurship Board roads. Pickets and sustained vigil is bejf'1 has been -esta blished and scientists, maintained at strategic points and hide-outs engineers and technologists are of known crimina!s. being encourged to set up tbeir own enterprises. Legi~Jation to Stop Bungling and Black (viii) There is a provision for temporary Money 1 hrough Lotteries placement of scientists and techno­ logists under the scbeme of Scienti­ 2510. SHRJ ANAND SINGH: Will sts Pool. A provision has also tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be been made for creation of pleased to state : supernumerary posts. ( (a) whether despite a specific entry in Thefts of Scooters/Cars In Deihl tbe Union List in tbe Constitution of India about Cent~al and State Government run 2509. SHRI AJOY BISW AS: Will lotteries, no appropriate law to reauJa1e tM the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be same has 10 far been enacted: I . pleased 'to state : (b) if so, whether such a JeaisJation ia (a) tota] number of theft cases of proposed to be brought before, Parliament Scooters. Cars, Motor Cycle, Bus, Cycle and specially in view of. the Qlujtifal~. I . other vehicles reported during 1984 and complaints of bung1ing and lencratiQn ., PI,

1986 in Delbi ; .. and black-money throU.lb lotteries ; •.nd .) 1 .... '. 149 Written A"8wers W,illell ,fn8w~rs 150

(c) if not, the rea~ons therefor? (a) the state-wise progress made under the 20-Point Programme towards viJJaae and small Industries ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (8) (b) the number of bands working in No Central Law has so far been C'oacted. sucb units;

(b) and (c) There is no proposa 1 to (c) the vjability of small and marginal bring about Central legislation at present. industries in our country and their futuro Comprehensiv~ guidelines with a view to prospect; curbing malpractices and for regulating the conduct and operations of lotteries had been issued to State Governments and Union Tt'rrilories in June. 1984. These. (d) whether such industries create more inter-alia provjde for ceiling on prizes, employment in comparison with big indus­ tries; and prices of ;ickets and certain checks regarding printing of tickets, holding of draws_ (e) if so. steps taken to safeguard such industries? Brltlsb Citizenship to Punjab Terrorists THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME 2511. SHRI D. N. REDDY: Will IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A. B. A. the r.linister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be GHANI KHAN CHOUDHUR~:~) pleased to state: Under the 20·Point Programme this Ministry receives information registered small scale units from the States; the same is given in (a) whether Gov(rnment are aware of the stattment below. State-wise information a Press report that Britain is thinking of regarding the V!J y widely dispersed vinage giving citizenship to Punjab terrorists seeking industries sector is not heing collected. shelter in that country; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government (b) According to the Seventh Plan thereto? Document a total of 3.15 crore persons were employed in the different industries in the village aod small scale industries fector in 1984-8S. THE MINISTER OF EXTfRNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGA T): (a) Yea. Sir. (c), (d) an 1 (e) The village and small industries sector, offers wide employment (b) Government are very surprised and opportunities on a decentralised basis and concerned with the attitude of the u.K. enables optimum utilisation of local resources, authorities. both men an d material, at comparatively lower levels of investment and thus conceived as a major plank of development. Such industries create Il}ore employment in Progress of V"Iage and Small Industries comparison with big industries with reference uDder lO-Polnt ProgralDllle to investment. The objectives and strate­ gies for the development of such industries 2512. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will and polic), framework therefor are detailed the Minister of PROGRAMME in the Seventh Five Year Pl:ln (1985-90)_ lME'LBM.BN rA.tl0~ bo gloas04 to ltate : Docwnmt~Y_oL._ U_Chaoter 4... StateDleDt

(Nos.)

States/UTs. Target Cumulative Achievement 1985-86 (April. 8S to January. 86)

1. 2. 3.

Andbra Pradesh 7SOO 6984 Assam 1100 887

Bihar 5800 6335 Gujarat S600 3910 Haryana 4500 48.2

Himacbal Pradesb 400 1081 Jammu and Kashmir 2400 2210 6800 10151 Karaataka 3300 2851 Kerala 19250 13687 Madbya Pradosh

3000 16141 Maharalbtra 450 524 Manipuf 100 77 Moabalaya 400 176 Naaaland 3300 2103 Orissa 4000 3843 Punjab Sooo 4396 Rajastban 10 10 Sikkim 8434 Tamil Nadu 6000 1295 Tripura 100

Uttar Pradesh 16000 14062

Welt Benlal 13500 9258 Union Territor_ 31S0 5519 Total PHALGUNA ~1. 1907 (S.4t.4)

PrMI"'t's Alleat to Bills 9. The 'Himachal Pradesh Lokayukta (Amendment) Bill. 1985. 2S13. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 10. The Melball'. (Denami TraDuction pleased to atate : Prohibition) (Amendment) Bill, 1985. t 1. The Motor Vehicles (West Sensal (a) whetber it is a fact tbat President Amendment) Bill, 1985. of India bas liven assent to some of tbo Bills in tbe current year ; and 12. The Rarnataka Agricultural Credit Pass Book Bill, 1984. (b) if so, the particulars of tbe bills? FEBRUARY, 1986. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ' INTERNAL 13. The Mabarashtra Housing and Area SECURITY (SURI ARUN NEHRU): Development BiU. 1986.

1S. The Official Trustees (West Benpl State... t Amendment) Bill, 1985.

~ __ .. ___ ~ __ ~w ______.. ___ 16. The West Bengal Modical Council S. No. Name of the Bin (Temporary Supersession) Bill, 1985.

I. The Karoataka Essential Articles 11. The Bombay R~nts Hotel and Lodging (Contro\) BiU, 1985. Housing Rates Control (Extension of Duration BiU, 1986. 2. Tbe Code of Criminal Procedu~ (West Denaal Third Amendment) Bill, 1985. 18. The Maharasbtra High Court (Hearinl of Write Petitions by Division Bench 3. The Indian Stamp (Ttipura Third and Abolition of Letters Patent Appeals) Amendment) Bill, 1985. Bill. 1986.

4. The Tamil Nadu Scrap Merchants aod 19. The Andhra Pradesh Prevention of Dealers in Second Hand Property and Dangerous Activities of Bootleggers, Owners of Automobiles Work.shops and Dacoits. Drug Offenders, Goondas, Tinker Shops (Reaulation Contro] and Immoral Traffic Offenders and Land LiccasiDl) Bin. 198 S. Grabbers Bill, 1986.

S. The Karnataka Tax on entry of Goods 20. The Bombay Inams (Kutcb Area) Abo.. into Local Areas for Consumption, Use lition (Gujarat Amendment) BiU, 1986. or Sale therein (Second Amendment) Bill. 1985. 21. The Bombay Tenancy and Aaricultural Lands (Gujarat Amendment) Bill. 1986. 6. Tbe Tamil Nadu Patta Pasl Book BiU, J983. 22. The Land Acquisition (Welt BeD181 Amendment) Biil, 1986. 7. Tbe Mahesh Bbattacharya Homeopathic Medical Colleae and Hospital (Taking 23. The Oujarat Closed Textile UndortaJdDI over of Maoaaement and subsequent (NatioDaJjl8tion) Bill. J986. Acquisition) Bill. 1985. 24. The Ilajastban Anatomy Bin. J986. 8. The Trlpura Educati~Dal lutitutioD. (AcqulaitiOD of Riaht. Title aDd IDte ....t) 25. Tbe a ••tban Da<:oity Affec ~ cd Area. (AmeDdmeat) Bm, 1984. -,-. MARCH 12. 1986 W,itten Anlw rs 1~6

Britisb Support to Sikh Extremists extremists in the U.K. Government are not pleased with tbe action taken thus far by the 2514. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN U.K.- authorities. We have conveyed our MOHANTY: views strongly to the U.K. Government. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will tbe Ministry of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Supp'y of Modera Arms to Punjab Pollee 2515. PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI (a) how many Indian nationals pro­ SHAK TA WAT : Will the Minister of fessing Sikh faith and residing in United HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Kingdom have been attacked and murdered by t he Sikh extremists in U. K. during (a> whether~. it is a fact that Punjab 1985-31stJanuary, 1986; Government bave approached the Union Government for modern arms for State (b) whether Government of U.K. have police; taken any pre-emptive action against the terrorists ; (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and

(c) whether Government of U. K. have (c) what has been Government's attitude allotted residential Government accommo­ in this regard ? dation to the Co xtremists who are indulging in anti-India activities ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL (d) whetber Government of India have SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (8) . taken up the issue with the U. K. (Jovern- No such demand for modern arms bas come ment; and recently from the Punjab Government. However, their demands for conventional (e) if so, reaction of British Government alms as per the authorised scales are being met. thereon? (b) and (c) Do not arise. lHE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI B R. BHAGAT): (a) to (e) Accordint; to informatioa available with Gover nment two Sikh leaders, Shri Sohan Absorption of Census 'Vorkers Siogh Lidder and Shri Sangtaf Siogb Sandhu were shot at and injured on 21st November, 2516. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: 1985 and 16th January. 1986 and Shri Will the Minister of HOME A FFAIRS be Tarseem Singh Toor was assassinated on pleased to state: 23rd January, 1986.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE recruitment etc. It is not possible to force DEPAR.TMENT OF . INTERNAL any State Govtrnment to give any particular SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): over riding concession in the matter of Yes, Sir. employment to these retrenched employees.

(b) After the fie1d operations of 1981 Census were over. Relional Tabulation Supply or Hyper Pure Poly SillcOD Offices were set up throughout tht' country for manual processing or the data collected 2517. SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM: in the 1981 Census Schedules. These offices Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to were of sbort term duration and were would state : up in February 1982 or shortly tbereafter. A large complement of temporary staff', (a) whether it is a fact tbat the Institute Dumbering abo!lt 27,000 were recruited in of Sciences of India in collaboration with a tbese offices. These temporary staff were private company viz. Mettur Chemicals and retrenched when the R~gional Tabulation Industrial Corporation offered to prepare Offices were wound up. At the time or and supply the Hyper Pure Poly Silicon their recruitment, it was made abundantly cheaper than Hemlock of USA ,• . clear to them that their services were purely temporary and they would be retrenched as soon as tbe work was over. Inspite of the (b) whether the letter of intent was clear understanding given to them about tbe given to the said Institute and if so, did it produce the product; temporary nature of employment y on purely humanitarian grounds the State Governments and Union Territory Administrations were (c) if so, at what cost; and requested to assist in their rehabilitation. They were requested to issue suitable instructions (d) what is ·the present pOSition in this with regard to priority absorption of these regard? retrenched employe~s of J981 Census in services and posts under the respective Slate Governments and Public Sector Undertakings THE M1NISTER OF STATE IN THE under them by extending to them 'the highest MINISTR.Y OF SCIENCE AND possible priority and special considerations. TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART­ MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, They were also requested to issue necessary ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND instructions regarding age relaxation to the extent possible. Such of the temporary SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V PATIL): (a) No such offer has teen receivtd by the census employees as had been recruited through Local Emp10yment Exchanges and Government. However, a letter was received from Director, lndian Institute of Science had put in a minimum of 6 months conti­ (IlSc) stating that they have made major nuous service before retrenchment on account progress in colJaboratioD with Mettur of reduction in establishment -were also MIs. Chemicals and Industrial Corporation in the accorded priority-Ill by the Local Employ­ production of polysilicon of quality. which ment Exchanges. This is a very high priority would more tban suffice for photovoltaic for lponsormcnt through Local Employment devices. Exchanges. , .

(c) and (d) In view of the large number (b) Letter of Intent was given to Mettur involved, it ,has Dot boen possible to provide Chemicals and Ir.dustriar Corporation jn alternative employment 10 all such retrenched 1979. It was converted into Industrial ctD8U1 ,employees. So far as the employment Licence in March 1982, which was valid tiJJ of these retrenched Census tmp)oyees, under March 1984. It bas been 'extended tin tbe State Government is c;oncerned, the Marcb 1986. The Company had produced recruitments to tbe post under the State polysilicon of acceptable arade in its pilot Govcrnmeats is entirely the responsibitity plant of ,annual capacity of 2.S tonne!. of~tbe concerned Governments. They have Regarding industrial plant ot annual capacity full autbority to determine tbe method of of 22. S to~nes of pol)'sn~Q by. ~etkern 159 1ft,1", f An'Hf' MARCH '2, 1981

SiliCOD, which is now fully owned subsidiary (b) The Indian draft is a comprehensive of Mouut Cbemical1& and Industrial Corpo­ OM and incorporates various types of ration, followifta mess81e was received on offences whi~b should be made extraditable. 3rd March 1986 : (c) Respoose of tbe : U.K. OovemmtDt UReaular power supply given on is awaited. February 28 by Tamil Nadu State Electricity Board.. Start-up works (d) Yes, Sir. proceeding smoothl,. U (e) The proposal oftbe U. K. Go'Vem. (c) and (d) It is too early to estimate ment to extend to India the provisioDs 01 ,be cO&t. as the industrial plant is still to 10 into Suppression of Terrorism Act, 1978t as also reaular production. India', proposal for a comprebensive Ex1ra .. dition Treaty were discussed. The response or tho U.K. Government Is awailed. E:drac1ltloll Treaty wltll U. 1[.

2518. SHRI V. SOBHANADRESWARE ReeGMtItutloa u' FOld'" 01 tile IOII~ RAO: oll'klal "4,150., COID_ttee for S"aflltrate Sefaft SuI.. P-Ioo SURI P. M. SA YEBD : SHRI BHATTAM SkI RAMA 2519. DR. PHULRENU OUHA • MURTY: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS ~ pleased to state : SHR] VIRDHI CHANDER JAiN: SRRI ANANT A PRASAD SETH1: (a) wbether the Government bas re­ SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: CODStit?ted a NOll-Official Advisory SHRI R. M. BHOYE: Committee for Swatantrata Saioik Samman SUR) AKHTAR HASAN: Pension Scheme; and

Will tbe Minister of EXTBR.NAL (b) if 80. what are tbe functions of tbe AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Committee ?

(a) whether Government of India have THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE proposed to tbe Government of tbe United DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL Kingdom the draft of an extradition treaty SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) = (a) . ttl obtain extradition or terrorists from the Yes, Sir . United Kingdom for trial in India for tbeir acts of terrorism directed against India; (b) The CommiUee advises the Ministry of Home Affairs on impertaDt matte,.. 01 (b) if so, the details thereof; policy and procedure pertaining 10 tbe .implementatioD 0' Swataotrara Saioit (c) the reaction of U. K. Oovernment Sammao PenSiOD Scheme. thereto; A...... t •• COIIfrol Data C...... (d) whether it is a fact tbat a Briti.h MaW,._ COIDput.. team of legal experts had vi.ited India ror recently to discuss this matter : and 2520. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN SINHA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be (e) if so, tbe outcome of the discuHion pleased to Itate : beld?

(b) if 10, whether the Qft'er of a French at the outset prepare a statu. paper (or compaoy in this. reaard bas been rejected; .each vUlap' and thon determine tho p~08ramme for each villas' or a cluster 01 aod vllJa,cs. Tbe activities of the Force would (:over ~ayiog of demonstration plots with (c) if so, whether the US terms were pro~er Inputs and sowing techniques; under­ more favoulable and if lOt details thereof? takIng land .. leveUing, contour bunding and terrace cultivation in undulating lands to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE avoid soil erosion; demonstrating dry Jand MINISTRY OF SCIBNCE AND TECH­ farmin, tec"lniques ; undertaking plantation NOLOGY AND IN THE DBPARTMENTS of fuel wood plants and farm forestry • aDd OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC work (or beautification of villages, etc. t The ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND SPACE Scheme also envisages monitoring of aU (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) Rural Developmont Programme lncJudlll Yes Sir, An agreement has been arrived at ~griculturt. Animal Husbandry. Fiaherie: with Control Data Corporation of USA for IDtegrated Rural Development (lRD), Desert the Transfer of Technology for the manufac" Development Programme (DDP), Drousbt ture of mainframe computers in the country. Prone Area Programmo (DPAP), Rura! Landless Empl~yment Gparantee Programme (b) Yes, Sir. (RLEGP). National Rural Emp]oyment Programme (NREP), Forestry etc. by tho (c) Yes Sit, the US terms were more R.R.F. favourable for tbe Transfer of Technology. Tbe terms of Transfer of TecbnoloiY .involve The Scheme came up for discussion at lumpsum payment of $ 9.5 million and th~ ~eeting of the Working Group on royalty payment at the rate of 5% of the Dlstflct Planning for the Annual Plao value added. 1986*87 beJd on 3.1.J986. The Work in. Group was of the view that the Scheme as spelt out by the State Government, wa; COIIStlt.lIon of Rural RecoDstfudloD Foree Dot w?lkable. The working Group, there­ fore. dJd not support this Scheme. 2521. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: "'in the Minister of PLANNING be Agr~meats Concluded by IneJo.Pat Sub­ pleased to state : Commission

(a) whether the P'aonins Commission 2S2~. SHRI ANAND SINGH: Will has approved a proposal to constitute a the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Rural Reconstruction Force for the purpose be pleased to state : of doofficialisiog the rural development proaram like IRDP, DDP, DPAP. mes (a). ~hetber the India-Pakistan Sub .. RLEGP and NREP; and CommiSSions on Travel and ConsulU matters and information and culture hato (b) if so, the details of this proposal conclUded any agreements ,• and in bow many State. this proposal is heiDI imp1emented ? (b) if SQ, the detaPs of the agreements, and I TIIB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. (c) the progress trade 80 far iD PANJA): and (b) The Haryana implementatioD of the. agreements ? Goverametlt,bas formulated a Rural Recons­ truction Force (It.B..F.) Scheme. Tbe Scheme envisales raisins a force of' 250 THE MINlSTER. OF EXTBl.NIsL persona for. eacb district consisting of 10 AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT): (a) groupa of 2S persons each to be recruited and (b)· Tho meetiDI of the Sub·Comml. by the PlanniDII Department of tbe State ssions III and IV of the Incio ... ht Jom. throuab adYOttiaement. The force would . ComsniuioD were bel' CD FebrIa" 4· ;~. t 63 Wrlttttl A1II",', MARCH 12, 1986

1986 at Islamabad. Tbe draft of a CultUftl lJ1do.US AareelaeDt ReprcllDa Ad ..~ Agreement was finalised. Matten relatina to travel and repatriation of civilian Computer S,st. Jo tid'. detainees who have completed their sentences were discussed. The question of mi8sin" 2525. SHRI B. V. DBSAI: defence personnel was also taken up. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI : Will the PRlMB MINISTER. be pleased to state : (c) Sixty-three Indian civilian detainees were repatriated by Pakistan on Fobruary 20 , 1986. The implementation. . of tbe (a) whether the United States ba8 decisions on otber matters 18 ID progress. agreed and permitted the export of more sophisticated sci.otitic hardware sucb as advanced computer system to India: Study of Effieleney of Employees of Publle Sector ,15-8-'1s Go'erDDleDt E1aployees (b) if so. whether severa) propo,als 2S2~. SHRI K. K UNJAMBU: Will of this nature are also beina fono~ed up the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: witb tbe US Government j

(a) whether the Government has made (c) what ere tbe total US scientific any study of tbe efficiency of the emy)oyees know-bow exportc-d to India so far; of public sector undertakings vis-a-vis tbe Covernment employees; rod (d) whether an), agreements in this (b) If so, the findings thereof 1 regard have bfen signed; and

THE MINISTBR OF STATS' IN THB (e) if so, the details of the same ? MINISTR Y OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRJEV ANCES AND PENSIONS _lIHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE 1 N THE P. CHIDAMBARAM): (a) No, Sir. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART. (b) Does not arise. MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT; ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND, Foreign Senke tnstitute SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) Vu, Sir. The US has agreed and permitted 2524. ~ SHRI DIGVIJA Y SINH: Will tbe export of advaoced mainframe computer the 'Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be systems to India. pleased to state :

(b) No, Sir. There are no otber '(a) whether' there i~ any ~roposa~ ~o t blish a Foreign servIce Institute wltbm proposals jn this area beina followed-up with tbe US Government. t~ aMinistry of External Affairs to be run on Jin:s similar to the National Defence College; and (c) to (e) The information will be collected and wUl be laid on tho Table 01 (b) if so. the details thereof and the Lot Sabba. progress made in this resard 1

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL Per eaplta A,.llabillty 01 Milk, C..... , AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAOAT): ~a) . (b) The establishment of a ForeIgn OU, Supr ete.. From 1960 to t985 wltIa 'soo ~ e Institute bas been approved by t~e Rural·U ..... Brllk.... p ervlc . . I leu. IS G nment, The orgaD1Satlona Due over 1,.. 0 ress -n place and preparatory WOfl\. IS 10 pr I 2S~6. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAOA : ~or startins training and orientation CQurscs Will the Minister of PLANN1'NO be pleaed fot different,catcloriel of officers. to .tate : (a) what -bas been the per capita avai­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lability of milk. cereals, edible oil. sUlar, MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K.­ salt and clothing in the country in 1960, PANJA): (a) and (b) A statemer.t J970, 1980 and 1985 with rural-urban break-up.; aDd containinl the available information is given below. Rural/urban break-up is not (b) what has been tbe aonua) rate of available. increase of per capita availability of the above items during the periods. 1960-70, 1970-80 and 1980-85 ?

Statemeat

Stalem~nl Slaowlug Per Capita ~vallabillty Per Year ond Annual Rate o/Illcrease thertin, of .~ilk, Cereall Edible 011, Sugar Salt G"d Clothing 1960-61, 1970-71, 1980·81 and 1984·85 ------Per capita availability Annual rate of increase per year of per capita availability (percentage) Item Unit ----_.....-..__.-.--,_, ...... __ ...... _-_"------1960 1970 1980 1985· J960- 1970- 1980. 1970 1980 1985

~ ______...... ,~, '"...... ______~ ••__ ... _ 4 _.__ ...... __,~.." ...... ___ ." ~ • __ I. 2. 3. 4. s. 6. 7. 8. 9.

------~ Mil" 1 Litre 45.99 39.06 46.72 54.02 ( - )1.8 1.6 3.7

Cereals 2 Kg. 140.20 147.13 138.52 154.91 0.5 ( - }O.6 2.3

Edible oil 3 Kg. 3.2 3.S 3.8 5.5 0.9 0.8 9.7

SUlar 4 Kg. 4.8 7.4 7.3 10.9 4.4 ( • )0.1 10.5

Salt Kg. 12.3 14.2 15.4 18.0 1.4 0.8 3.2

Clothing 5 Metre 15.00 15.54 14.97 14.52 0.4 ( - )0.4 ( • )0.8

·Figures are provisional.

1 Figures for Cola. 3 to 6 relate to 1960·61', 1969-70, 1980-81 and 1984 .. 85 respec­ tively.

2 Figures for Cols. 3 to 6 relate to Agriculture Year e'I" 1960 relates to July 1959 to June 196').

3 Filures for Cols. 3 to 6 relate to 1960·61, 1970-7J, 1980 .. 81 and 1984-85 respectively.

4 Pilures for Cols. 3 to 6 relate to sUlar e.g-, 1960 corresponds to sugar season ' 1960-61. Filures of Col. 6, bowever, relate to suaar season 1984·85.

5 'Filures for Col. 6 relate to 1984.

SoUrce: Concerned administrative ministries. Data for ediblo ons have howevrc beta tHea from BoODOlDio Surve)'. 1~5·86, .. MARCH 12. I ~86

(T,...,latIOll) Plu Pro,'sJoa for Irrlaatioa SdIeme Ie Mad.. yaP ...... Ecoaomlc Growth in ladl. 2'28. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA: 2527. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAOA : Will the Minister of PLANNING be pJeased WUI·tbo Minister or PLANNING be pleased to state to.atate : (a) whether ~s aginst the provision of (a) whether the National Development Rs. 1976.48 crores made by tbe PlaDDina Council bas recommended a sum of Rs. Commission for irrigation schemes for 180,00 crom for public sector in tho Madbya Pradesh during the Seventh Five Seventh Five Year Plan as agains tonly Rs. Year Plan the State Government in its plan 1900 crores during the First Five Year Plan draft has proposed only an expenditure or but the planners have prescribed a growth the Rs. 17~2.9l crores for this item • rate of 5 per cent as usual whereas compound • growth rate in Denmark is 27 per cent and (b) if so, the reasoos therefor ,• in Japan 11 per cent ; (c) whether the target fixed by Madhya (b) if so, the reasons for fixing lower Pradesh to brina 4.08 lakb hectares of land arowtb rate for India; under irrilation every year can be achieved with the amount so provided by tbe State (c) whether economic growth in India Government especially when it includes is not taking place at the expected pace; provision for power schemes. flood control aod and other incomplete schemes on Narmada and aU types of irrigation schemes • and (d) whether our economy is progressing • or retrogressios ? (d) if not, tbe action Government propose to take in this rogard ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PANJA): (a) to (d) The Seventh Five MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRJ A.K .. Year Plan. approved by the National PANJA): (a) No, Sir. Dovelopment Council in November, 1985 Bets a GOP growth rate of S per cent per annum over 1985-90. The Public Sector (b) Does not arise. outlay is Rs. 180,000 crores. The reasous for fixing this rate of growth, and bow (c) and (d) With the prOVISIon of Rs. economic growth has taken place in India 1976.48 crores under irriaatioD sector made as measured against tbe Plan targets and by Planning Commission during the Seventb the progress made by the economy are Plan the target fixed in consultation with explained in detail in the Seventh Plan Government of Madhya Pradesh for tbe document, which has already been pJaced OD entire Seventh Plan is 10.80 lakb hectares the Table of the House, and wbich may and the same is achievable. It will not be please be referred to. possible tbe achieve 4.08 Jakb hectares per year witb the available outlay. The outlay Inter·country comparisions of GDP of Rs. 1976.48 crores is for IrrilAtion seetor growth rate. and inferences drawn ftom such only including flood control and scbellJC8 OD comparisons, may be of only limited validity. Narmada but does not include power as tbe underJyiot' basis, IlssumptioDs, Schemes. CC9nomic situation and premises usually differ widely from country. to country. [Engll,h) CouDtries with developed market economies, may not reJy on planning as an instrument Measures to Pre,eat Creation of Wast.. tor oeonomic development. This makes it lands by Eseeatl,e Grafill even more d.itlic:ult to make inter-country 2529. SHRI DIGVIJA Y SINH: Will comparisons. the PRIME MINISTBR be ploalld to Itate: whether excessive cattle in relation SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura): to tho available grazioa lands is the real The teacbers of Delhi Ensineeriol ColJc:ae caUJe for the croat ion of wastelands ; are on strite for more than ODe montb.

(b) whether all efforts to cODvince MR. SPEAKER: We will take care of Braziers to keep few but lood cattle failed; it. I have already written. I am in and communication directly.

(c) tbe new strategies proposed to be (/nterruptlonl) uodortaken to lauoch this propelanda ? PROF. MADHU DANDAVA1~ (Rajapur): THE MINISTER OF. STATE IN THE Wbat about my motion reprdina the MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Governor's action ? FORESTS (SHR) Z. R. ANSARI): Presence of excessive cattle in relation to MR. SPEAKER : I am looking into it. tbe greeD fodder is a significant reason for tbo creation of wastelands tbroup over­ SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO· exploitation of arazing resources. WALIA (Sangrur): The staff of Manusbi Masazine. a magazine of women, are on (b) and (c) Climatic. soil, economic and bUDger strike. ecol.»gical conditions. as well as tbe existence of tra:litional animal husbandry occupations (Interruptions) determine the cattle pressure on land. Hence exteosion efforts alone will Dot belp MR. SPEAKER: No, we canDot take in securing reduction in the number of non­ up this problem ; it cannot be a subject for descript cattle. What is needed is a discussion. mu)tiprouged effort to increase grazing areas, induce people to go in for a proper and (Int~-'ruption') location-specific mix of ground cover and SHltI H. A. DORA (Srikakulam): I fodder species, including fodder trees, leading have given a notice under rule 197. to gradual elimination of decrepit. unpro­ ductive and Jess productive cattle. SuitabJe MR. SPEAKER: I will see to it; I animal husbaodry programmes to upgrade will look ioto it. stock would also be necessary. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : The new strategy in this behalf (Gobichettipalayam) : I have given a noti", recommends the launching of a Special under Direction 115. Foddsr Development Programme, together with Livestock Development Program me, a MR. SPEAKER: I have already popularisation of stall feeding. aod discoura­ forwarded it. ging the living of loans under IRDP for cattle in chronically fodder-deficit areas. SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI (Howrab): In the. last week or 80, a number of arms units are beioa sejzed in Delhi. This is a serious matter.

(Ent/I,II] MR. SPEAKER: I will take care of· that. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJeE' (Jadavpur): There is no law. and order in (In,.,,uptlons) Tripura. MR. SPEAKBit: Why aro you doiq·· MR. SPEAKER: That is a State aU th_ thiaaa? Is ~hil a new phenomenon? ,. ,ub.;.ot. I QaDDot do ID)'thioa. II 8b~uJd Got be .like tlUI. No. Not aUowed. (111'"111'10",) ("",Ilptltntl) .'1 "MARCk 12, 1986 MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. SHRI C. P. THAKUR (Patna) : There­ is corruption in the university campus. It (lnle,raptions )** should be discussed in this House.

MR. SPEAKER: Mamataji, not allowed. MR. SPEAKER: No. Let the State Government take care of it. (Interruptlo",).*

I Translation] SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA (Ahmedabad): A very serious situation SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Banam­ threatening the world peace bas arisen on konda) : Sir, for tbe last 1S days "Hiodustao n account of America's rejection .••.• Samachar" and ffSamachar Bhatati ••••••••• (Interlupt/ons)** [English) MR. SPEAKER: I do not know what is your point of order, under what rule are MR. SPEAKER : This is not a problem you referring to all this. to be discussed here. Not anowed. (Interruptlon8)·· (lnlerruplion8)~ SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY SHRI HAROODHAI MEHTA: The (Na)gonda): I have given notice resardio8 United States rejected the six nations' appeal the Governor's action •••••• where the Prime Minister of India and other leaders •••.••... (/nterruplion8)·· MR. SPEAKER: I am looking into MR. SPEAKER: You give rne in it. That is what I told tbe Professor also. writting. This cannot be allowed like this. (lifter,,,plfon,) •• (Interrusttons)*· PROF. K. K. TEWARY (Buxar) : You SURI HAROOBHAI MEHTA: Notice have alway@ expressed concern and rightly so I have given. against tbe rising wave of terrorism io I Punjab and Tripura where 20 persons have been killed by terrorists. MR. SPEAKER: We will see to it. I do not know from wbere have you Picked up all these things? MR. SPEAKER! We have discussed it, and in the Business Advisory Committee. (/"te,rupt;onsi·· we have decided that we are gOiDg to discuss it on some day. SARI K. S. RAO (MachUipatnam) Tbere was a major fire. PROF. IC.. K. TEWARY: There should be a discussion 00 terrorism. MR. SPEAKER: You come to me tell me what it is. and MR. SPEAKER: We have decided it (lnterruptlons)·· and we are loing to have a discussioD OD it later. SHRI RANJIT SINGH GAEKWAD (Baroda) : There was a gas leakage in PROF. K. K. TEWARY: Please have Baroda. a discussion on terrorism. It i. a very serious ma ttcr. Mil. SPEAKER: We have already 1iscusaed tbese problems and if time comel, MR. SPEAKER: Now, paper. to be lVe will do it again, but Dot like tbis. laid. (l",e,,,,ptlofll) ----- .·Not recorded. ", PHALOVNA 21. 1907 (SArA) 'IIPI' lAid D'IJ 'hI Tab/~ I'. (4) A statement (Hindi and ED.lisb 12.03 .... versions) showing reasons for dela, in laying tho papers mentioned at PAPERS LAID ON THE TAILB (I) to (3) above. NotUIeItloal ..der tile PIISportl Ad. [Placed in Library. See No. LT· 1961, Forel.a Marrl_.- (AlUDd_at) 2202}861 RelM, tMS, Diplomatic alld CODlular OfIcen (Feftt) A_ead.ent Rules, 1985 NotlftCifioDI anetfr tile National Cadet Corps Att. 1948 tEIIglula) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL DEPARTMENT OF D!FENCE AFFAIRS (SHR1 B. R. BHAGAT)! J RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT bea to lay on the Table- (SHRI ARUN SINGH): I beg to lay OD tbe Table a copy each of tbe foUowin," (1) A copy each of the follow ina Notifications (Hindi BDd English versiOQs)' Notifications (Hindi and English under sub-section (3) of sectioD 13 of tbe'" versions) under sub .. section (3) of National Cadet Corps Act, 1948 :- aec:tion 24 of the Passports Act. 1967 :- (1) The National Cadet Corps (Fiftb Amendment) Rules, 1985 published (i) The pvsports tAmendment) in Notification. No. S.R.O. 18(£) in Rules, 1985 pub1isbed in Notifica­ Gazette of Jndia dated tbe 27th tion No. 0 .S.R~ 345 (E) in Gazette December. 1985. of India dated the 4th April, 1985. (2) Tbe National Cadet Corps (Girls (ii) The Passports (Second Amend· Division) (Third Amendment) Rules. meat) Rules. ) 985 published in 1985 published in Notification No. Notification No. O.SIR. 860 (E) S.R.O. 19 (E) in Gazette of India in Gazelle of India dated the 21st dated the 27th December, 1985. November, 1985, {Placed in Library. See No. LT· {Placed in Library. See No. LT· 2203/86) 22CO/86)

(2) A COpy of the ForoiaD Marriales Statemeat re : 'vote 00 AUOUDt' for the (Amendment) Rules. 1985. (HjD?i National Airports Authority and Englisb versions) pubhshcd ~n Notification No. G.S R. 861 (E) lD THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Gat-ctte of 1ndia dated the 21st DEPARTMBNT OF CIVIL AVIATION November, 1985 under sub-Secti.OD (SaRI JAGDISH TYTLER): I beg to lay (3) of section 28 of tbe ForclBD on the Table a statement (Hindi and Enatish Mlrriage Act. 1969. versions) regardiog 'Voto on Account· for {Placed in Library. See No. LT· the National Airports Authority. 220J/86} [Placed in Library. See No. LT -2204/86]

(3) A copy of the Diplomatic and NotUleatiOD Mer the Ceatral Esel•• Consular Officers (Fees) Amendm~t RulC8, 1985 ,(Hindi and Bogbsh Rald,1944 veRion.) published in Notifieation No. O.S.R. 862 (B) io Gazette of THE MINISTER. OF STIt. TB IN THE lodia dat~d the 21st November, MINISTR.Y OF FINANCE (SHRI 1985 under sub .. section (3) of, JANARDHANA POO1AltY) : I bea to lay 1CICtion S of tbe Diplomatic and 011 the Table a copy of NotlficatioD No. Consular otJ;1oIn (Oath and fell) G.S.R. 341 (B) (Hindi and EOIUah versions) published in Gazetto of Ionia . d'~4 tbe 1st Ac:t, 1948, 115 Pap" Laid MAItCH 1'2, 1915

(Sbri Ja~ardbana Poojary) Auu' Reports ... Re'lew.... tile March, 1986 together witb anexpJanatory worklag 01 tile EleetroDieI CorporatJOD memorandum regardinl exemption to 0' ,.... LhDltet1, By...... , etc. etc. ,. polyester fibre manufactured (rom nOD­ tile year 1984-85 cellulosic wastes by the process of recYCliDI of sucb wastes in India from the duty of excise as is in excess of Rupees 20 per kg., THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE issued uDder the Central Excise Rules, 1944. MINISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND TECH. [Plactd in Library_ See No. LT .2205 J861 NOLOGY AND IN THB DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND SPACB Notlbtlo. aDeler sectl. IDA 01 the (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): I beg to Former Seeretary to State Se"iee Oftl~ lay on tbe Table - een (CoacIltioos of Benke) Att, 1972. NotlfteatloDs ODder section 3 01 t'e all (1) A copy each of the fo llowinl India Services Act, 1951 papers (Hindi and English versioDs) THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE under sub·section (I) of section 619A of the Copanies Act, 1956:- MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM): I beg to lay on tbe (i) A statement regarding Review by Table- the Government on tbe work ins of Electronics Corporation of India (I) A copy of Notification No. a.S.R. Limited, Hyderabad, for the year IS9 (Hindi and English versions) 1984 .. 85,. published in Gazette of India dated the 1st March, 1986 re,arding extension of Family Pension Scheme (ii) Annual Report of tbe Electronics to les Officers who retired or Corporation of India Limited, died before 1st January, 1964, Hyderabad, for the year 1984.85 under sUb-section (3) of section along with Audited Accounts and lOA of the Former Secretary to the comments of the Comptro)]er State Service Officers (Conditions and Auditor General tbereon .. of Service) Act, 1972. (Placed in Library. See No. LT. [Placed in Library. See No. L T- 2208/86) 2206/86] (2) (0 A copy of tbe Annual Report (2) A copy each of the following (Hindi and English versions) of. Notiftcations (HIndi aod English the Institute of Physics. Bbubanes. versions) under sub-sectioD (2) of war, for tbe year 1984-85. section 3 of tbe All India Services Act, 1951 :- (ii) A copy of tbe Annual AccoUDts (i) O.S.R. 314 (E) published in (Hindi and EnlUsb venioDs) of tbe Gazette of Jndia dated the 24th Institute of Physica, Bbubanelwar, February, 1986 regarding formation for the year 1984·8S toaetber with of IPS Cadre of Naaaland. Audit Report thereon.

(ii) The Indian Police Service (Fixation of Cadre Strength) (iii) A s.tatement (~iDdi and Enlliah Amendment Regulations, 1986 VC1'81Olls) reaardml Review by the published in Notification No. Government on tbe WorJcin, 01 'he G.S.R. 315 (E) in Gazette of India Institute of PhYlics, Bbubaoelwlr d•• d the 24th FebruarY, 1986. for tbe year 1984.8'. . t [Placed in Library. See No. LT- (Placed in Library. See No LT. 2207/a61 2209/86) . t'11 Paps, LaId ' PBALGUNA 2J. 1901 (8JfKIf) Comm. on P.M.B. and Re,. 178

(3) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (2) A statement (Hindi and EIl8Ush ' (Hindi and EUIlish versions) of the versions) showing reaSODS for delay' Institute of Matbematical Sciences, in laying tbe papers mentioned at Madras, for the year J984·8S (1) above. alonl with Audited Accounts. [Placed in Library. See No. LT. 2211/S6} (ii) A statement (Hind; and Bnalish versions) regarding Review by tbe (3) (i) A copy of the Annual Report Government on the working of tbe (Hindi and English versioDs) of the Institute of Mathematica) Sciences, Centre for Environmcnt Educatjon, Madr,s, for the ~ear 1984 .. 85. Ahmedabad. for tbe year 1984·8S [Placed in Library. See No. LT- alons with Audited Accounts. 2210/861

(ii) A statement (Hindi and English versions) regarding Review by tbe Annoa' Reports Ind Relle1V5 OD the ~or· Government OD tbe working of tho kiDg of tbe Centtal Board for tbe Preven­ Centre for Environment' Education tion aDd Control of water Pollution, Ahmedabad, for the year 1984·85. Ne", Delbi aad Centre for Environment Edu('Iltion (4) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE delay in laying the papers men­ MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND tioned at (3) above. FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : I beg to " lay on the Table - [Placed in Library. See No. LT- ' 2212/86)

(1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and EnaHsh versions) of the Central Board for the Prevention and Cootrol of Water. Pollution, New Delhi, for the year 1984-85 under sub-section ()) of section 39 of the Water (Prevention and 12..08 brs. Control of Pollution) Act, 1974.

COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS (ii) A COpy of the Annual Accounts BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS (Hindi and English versions) of the Central Board fo: tbe Prevcntion and Control of Water Pollution, New Delhi. for tbe year 1984·85 Tblrteeotll Report togetber with Audit Report thereon, under sub-section (6) of .section 40 of the Water (Pt"ontion and Con­ tro) of Pollution) Act. 1974. SURI M. THAMBI DURAl (Dbarmapuri): I bel to present the Thttte.MtI (iii) A copY of the Review (Hindi Report (Hindi and EngUsb. versions) of' the and English versions) by the Committee on Private Members' Bills aDd: Governmeot on tbe working of the Resolutions. . Central Board ror the Prevention and Control of Water PollutioD. New Delhi for the fear 19$4-8S, CalJlng Atle1ltlDIf 180 119 MARCH 12, 1986

plates laying of a J 730 km long pipeline with 12.09 brs. necessary facilities from Hazira in Gujarat to Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF Pradesh to meet the feedstock requirements URGENTPUBUC IMPORTANCE of six fertilizer plants, and fuel requirements of two of the three rower plants being set up along tbe pipeline. The construction schedules of the various sections of tbe pipeline have been deterrrHned to be in Reported delay in the completion of the harmony with tbe schedule of commissionin8 Hazira .. Bijaipur.. Jagdlspor Gas Pipeline of the fertilizer plants as determined by the Project Department of Fertilizers. The project is scheduled to be completed in all aspects by SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO­ July 1989. WALIA (Sangrur): I call the attention of the Minister of Petroleum and Natural Gas to the following matter of urgent public 2. Global bids were called for by Gas importance and fS:quest that he may make a Authority of India Limited (GAIL) in June/ statement thereon :- Juty 1985 on the composite tender basis for the award of contract for the construction of "The reported delay in the completion of pipelin e. Four bids in complete shape were the Hazira-Bijaipur-Jagdispur Gas Pipe­ received by 27.8.1985, the last date for line Project and the steps taken by receipt of bids. The unprjced bids were Government in this regard.'!' opened on 28 8.1985 and evaluated for technical and commercial a~pects by GAIL and ElL. The price bids were opened OD SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mahbubnagar): 1 11.1985. GAlL's recommendaticns on Sir. 1 had tabled a notice for a Half-an-Ho~r the award of contract were received by this discussion on the very sa\ue subject, on thiS Ministry on 14.11.1985; Ihese are now under question. Government's consideration, taking also into account the financing proposals received from [ Translation] tbe various bidders. Decision on the award of contract is expeeted to be taken shortl~. MR. SPEAKER: On your pleasing it bas been admitted. SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO. WALIA: At the outset, I am pained to (English) state that the Government which always 1 t is on your pleading, Sir, that it is claim of moving fast and bringing the 21st coming. century nearer by their faster actions, have brutally slowed down the completion of this pipeline. This project was to be compJeted SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I may be by June, 1987. It was to be started by co· opted, Sir. March. 1984. Now at least two years have elapsed, but we are again back to the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE pavilion. The country . bas last too much (Rajapur) Let him be the Speaker's due to this delay. The .non-utilisation of nominee t two years means loss of 9.6 million metric tODnes of ures, whose cost is S 200 per THE MINISTER OF STATB OF THE metric tonne. On the other hand, equipment MiNISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND ~orth Rs. 2500 crores bas arrived. ADJ.. NATURAL GAS (SHRI CHANDRA lDterest of Rs, 100 cr~)fes we are payinf(" SHEKHAR SINGH): The HDJ Gas Pipe­ annually on that. This delay bas resulted line Pro;':!,;, was I1pproved by Government of in a heavy loss to the country. This is due India in April L984 at an estimated cost of to the indecisiveness on the part· of tbe R~ t 700.17 crares. This project contero- GovernJIlent. i 81' Coiling Attention PHALGUNA 21, 190; (SAX.4) Calling Attentlon 182

This gas pipelin"! is to feed six fertiliser last three months, the rate of the Japanese plants. 1730 kms long pipeline is to be cur.reocy Yen bas risen by fifteen per cent constructed. This dela y is being caused at as compared to the price of dollar. wm the cost of tb~ dev:lopment of tile country the Minister explain who is responsible for and providing employment to the youth. this delay, who is responsible for incurring On the one hand. the hon. Minister and tbe loss to the country due to this rise in the Government daily sp: ak very high that they exchange rates of Yan vis dollar? This is are very much concerned and perturbed on not the first time that the Government 0 the unemployment situation in .the country, India has delayed tbe projects of nationaf on the other hand, they are brutally delaying importance. Let this House know that th J this prQjcct. Government of India delayed the construce tion of Thein Dam in Punjab by twenty" Will the hon. Minister explain the reason ye~rs. The Thein Dam was to be completed for the delay in awarding the contract? Is in ) 967 and now it is 1986. and even t.he it also true that the offers were revealed and preliminary work has not yet started. again they were cancelled or with-held? ) Th,rough your kind cooperation, Sir, while am sorry to say that time and again, discussing this issue, I would also like to appointment of one commutee or the other devote one minute to the problem of Punjab is being done. I, having a privi1~8e to be ••. •(l"terruptlo"s). the Member of this augu-:t House, assure you that whatever I am speaking, I am MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No. You speaking keeping the national inferest in speak about this gas pipeline only. view. My submission is that the Gas Authority of India and Engineering India PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He Ltd. are being ignored. There is a general can suggest the diversion of that pipeline impression in the country that indigenous through Punjab, Sir. industry is b~ing strangulated. 1 want to make if quite clear that our aim is not to embarrass the Government at all. We are SHRI BALW ANT SINGH RAMOO .. interested in bringi, g the results for the WALIA: Anyhow, Sir, if it is po::,sible, I nation. Will the Hon'ble Minister be able am prepared to say that the supply position to explain as to why this delay has taken of petrol and diesel in Punjab is very bad. place r( Why is there controversy over Now the Robi season is comtng. Every year turnkey or piecemeal construction? Why during the Rabi season the supply of petrol are we wasting the precious time of the and diesel is stuck aDd that causes long country and re'arding its progress and deve­ queue of farmers at the petrol pumps and­ lopment. in these small things? I want to filling stations. So, I again urge upon the emphasise that these six fertiliser plants are Minister that he must take care to see that to be run ; employment opportunities are to Punjab does not face any shortage Of diesel be creatc:d and in future, after the completion because we are to contrtbute 70 per cent or of this pi.peJine, other pipelines are also to 65 per ceQt to the total national foodgrains. be constructed. Is it the intention of the I also urge upon him that it is the primary Government to discourage indigenous engi­ duty of the Government to complete the neering capability. pipeJine at the earliest. I have no bias against any national or mUltinational. I am only interested in seeing that he tells the I want to impress UpOll the Government country what :lre the compUlsions in his way that my self and my Party are not at aJl wh ich are, not allowing his Government to concerned who construct~ this pipeline, but complete this pipeline. If this pipeJine is to we are concerned that the pipelines should be complered by some foreign company or some foreign concern, he is pernlitted to go 12.14 brs. to them also but 1 urge upon him to take ,(MR, DEPUTY~SPEAKER In the Chair] care in dOing so tbat his actions in future will slinlulate tbe indigenous industry for be completed at the earliest. Because of which tbey have been crying and for which this wastage of time. 1 have been told. that they have been given this confidepcc, this prloo bas rilen- by 15 per cent. Duriol the verdict of aittiD& OD tho Treaaur, BeJl~bc., 183 Calling AIt,ntlo. MARCH 12, 1986 Calli", AttentiDn 184

(Shari Balwan' Singh Ramoowalia1 bid for it and the multinationals have bid So, 1 urge upon the bon. Min~ster ,to com .. for it. It becomes a bappy hunting around pleto tbis pipeline within a ¥hort period and for the lobbies of these multinationals. They to take care of tbe indigenous industry, to have come and they have'dono various tricks. take care of the production of fertilizers, to It is Sham Progetti who is getting tbose tak~ care of tbe completion of the fertilizer maximum notoriety on this issue they deserve plants. With these rew words. I take my to do so because not on1y they have now scat and urge upon tbe hon. Minister to take interfared with the contract in some way care of Punjab·s diesel and petro} problems or the other to which 1 am coming, but even allo, through it is not directly a part of the as ear1y as 1983 as soon as tbis project was subject. ' cleared by tbe PIB. tben Sham Progetti bas approached the Petroleum Ministry and the MR. DEPUTV·SPEAKER: Now, Shri Finance Ministry with a request that tbey Amal Datta. Only five minutes for you be given (his contract outrigbt without going through any forma) procedure. And then in 1984 when the piecemeal contract was SHRI SOMENATH CHATTERJEE floated aDd they were going to be finalised (Balpur): Why five minutes? He should tben suddenly this Sbam Progetti mado an take ten minutes. He is goina to speak on offer, an out or turn contract for 3 segments. a subject involving Rs. 1,700 crores. 3 parts of that same tender, and thereby putting a spoke in the wh~1 which turns SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamand the whole table on the indigenous industry Harbour): Sir. Jet me take five minutes and the contract is given away to the multi. from when I start. nationals. And thirdly now when tbe tender bids have been opened they bave again put PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: And another spanner in the wheel by raising it should be according to your watch. some objections through their Government. This is very runny. After tbe technical bid bas 'been opened, as the Minister's statement SHRI AMAL DATTA: Sirt the HBJ says, in August> no objection was raised on Pipeline contract was discussed las.' year. technical grounds. After the financial bids At that time the controversy on which t~e were opened and it was found that Sham Call Attention was raised was w.hY thiS Pro aetti has come tbird, then they througb decision to go in for a turn-key project was their Government--and even tbe Canadians takeD by sacrificing national interests. No who have come Jast, through thejr Govern­ caDvincins answer came from the Tr~a~ury ment-- raised objections. The Government Benches. The then Petroleum M1Dlster of India, in a very caUous manner, evaded the answer by only saying ~hat the appointed a Committee to go into these Menon Committee Report had deCided that complaints. May J ask: Is it a norma) Engineers India Ltd., tbe consultants to the procedure that jf any contract country's Gas Autbority of India Ltd., had not the Government raises an objecti'on thaD tbe requisite experience, and totally ignored the wbole thing will be reopened and a committee fact tbat the Engineers India Ltd. bad a will bave to go through it sacrificios tbe back-up consultant, Gas Unit which had nationaJ interest 1 My friend Mr. Ramoo­ adequate experience for this kind of work. walia pointed out that this deJay is causina So I find tbat the answer even then was us loss of hundreds of crotes of rupees. ov~sive. What bappended was this.. It This pipline will suppJy gas to our fertilizer shows tbat this scandal which tben bOiled plants, to thermal plants and to domestic over bas been simmering all through and use in tbe country. This is a buge . apin it has come to light because . not only sum • The estimated sum is only Ra. 1700 crorcs tbe national interest bas been saCrificed by for the other parts of the project, but will the earlier decision-and Government can it rise to Rs. 3,000 Or Rs. 4,000 ultimately, Daver explain it away-but recently after the definitely. . This project was to be completed tender bids have beeD opened, when you originaHy in June 1987; but even now we coovert so many smaller projects into ?oe bia contract for tho turn key. project are not in a position to award the contract. ""ioualy you invite the multinationals to The bon. Minister bas not cxpJajlled jr.-wa)' 18~ Caiilng Alteni/on PHALGUNA 21, 1907 (S.4KA) Caillflg Allentoll 186 after the G AlL's recommendation of the SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir, to award of the contract was received by the whose speech will the Minister reply? He Ministry only November 1985. the Govern­ should reply now itself. m"ent is still considering. That bas· not been stated. Only in January the' news­ MR. DEPUTY .. SPEAKER: You' teU papers reported the Prime Minister having this in the meeting of tbe Committee and said that high level complaints having been ask them to find out something. received and there fore we are gOing to start the matter afr~sh. Well, what are the high· level complaints? As far as we know, one SHRIMA1I JAYANTI PATNAIK: of the bidders, one of their trade panDers, 'But this decision of scbeduHng has not been did not have the -requisite technical quali­ taktn. Hence serious c::>nc:rD is being fication. The otht!f is that yen has hardaned expressed over this subject. Tbe Minister and all tbat. 1 would like the Minister to has also not answered about the GAlL's explain what exactly is the nature of the recommendations on the award of tbe complaint which confronted the Government contract. or which gave a handle to the Government, to Sft up such a committee. I want to know The delay has, no doubt. some reasons. tbe nature of tbe cornpiai(Jt and to what As you have seen in the newspaper, in this extend it bas been found to be substantiated award of contract, complaints about senders by the committee set up, the report of which had come fronl Governmeots of some bas already been received by the Ministry. contractors. These complaints arc It" is the sacrifice of national interest to admittedly serious and they came which we object and not wbich multi. from source~ hIgh enough to merit national gets it. Obviously, the decision attention. "1 he matter bas, tberefore, been to give it to a multi-national was taken as referred to a Committee of Secretaries. early as 1985. SOt now we ate not raising This is a huge projtct if some aspects could that question. Let some multi-national or not be looked in to earlier, then those aspects other get. it. That is bow the Government should be re-Iooked into, instead of going of this country is selling the country '8 in haste. So, it is not improper that a interest down to the multi-nationals, to the Committee has been constituted and it is imperialists. But even tben, our country's going into this. So, there is nothing wroDg intere!)t of getting tbt! project implemented in il, though in the process» it gets delayed in time, s.hould be protected. Why can and we may have to wait for some time. this interest not be saved, by avoiding the delay. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I am on Another thing whi(;h should be kept in a point of oeder. It is for tbe Members mind is, along with this particular project to put questions. But she has been answer­ ing the questions raised by another hOD. of HBJ pipeilne, no anolh~r pipeline project Member. was contemplated to bring gas from Assam and Tripura. TriputJ. is floating on gas Assam has a lot of gas. The pipeline bas MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: No. been projected but nothing has been done about tbat. 1 would like the hon. Minister SHRIMATI J.~YANTJ PATNAIK: I to explain why tbat project has been put in am asking questiolls and telling so maoy the cold storage. to the detriment to alt' of things. I do not know Whether you have us in the Eastern realon. been bearing my sJ>eech. I asked, what about the recommendations of the OAfL9 s committee. Please Jisten to mo. SHRIMATI JAY ANTI PATNAIK (Cuttack): Slr, the HBJ pipeline project is larae enough botb in physical and Sir, Yod must give me some time. financial terms. For such a larse project the contract for implemontation should have MR. DBPUTY.. SPBAKEI<.: I cannot becn 8cheduled to be docided. live apcgialq for )'ou. Ow), S minutel. 187 f:a11l1g Attention MARCH Ii, 1986 ·~allin, Aiten,io" lsA

SHRIMAT( JAYANTI PATNA1K: expenditure of the Government? Will it The only thing which I wou1d like to know involve additional expenditure? What is up to which date the off~r is valid and obout the commissioning of the rest of. ~he whether the decision already somewhat fertiliser plant 1 delayed should be taken during the v.a 1idity of the offer. I ~ope these aspects will get due attention from Government. The Govern­ ment ~hould proceed in a fair and regular Besides delay, there are also other aspects. manner and com:! to a deCision in the Not only the price of competing offers are larger interest. 1 am stressing 1be impor­ important but there are maoy other aspects tance from the larger interest. Even if it which should receive due attention from gets delayed, the larger interest should be Government while deciding the contract. taken into account. The cost escalation I would like to ask some points. In awar­ should be taken into account. There should ding the contract, do the Government not be cost escalation. anticipate appreciation of the va1ue of the currency of the participating countries? And will it unduly involve higher expendi­ An hon. Member has said that the ture on the part of India 1 If SOt what will Congress-l Government beheves in the be the additional expenditure as estimated multi-nationals but the Upposition by the Finance Ministry? members are interested only in getting the work awarded to thoqe multi-nationals. A nyway. when we are taking greater interest, Thirdly, I must ask whether indigenous this should not be made an issue. components should be given due weightage yet without compromising the efficiency of SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: the project. Here also, I would like to Sir, the Statement of the hon. Minister is know from the hon. Minl~ter whether Indian really an insult to this House. It is a partnership at any stage of pipeline laying contrived exercise wiJl be given importance in view of the building up of indig~nous capadty and AN HON. MEMBER: We do not .ransfer of technology. By this, ind i~enous feel insulted. conlpanies acquire the technoJogy ~o that in future when we have another project like this, their participation may increase. There SHRJ SOMNATH CHATIERJEE: are financial and pakage offers. Relativt.! Becau~e you have developed raw hide. advantages have to be weighed, What is That does not mea'n that we do not feel important is the scheduled period of insulted. You may not feel insulted. We completion. feel.

It is nothing but a contrived exercise in 1 would like to know from the hone suppression vf facts, to conceal the calculated Minister about this because it is linked with dilatoriness OD the part of tbe Government. the commissioning of the fertiliser plant, In Two heads have already roUed as an outfall a matter of project implementation, our main of the project. The Secretary bas to 10 emphasis is on timely completion of the and tbe farmers Minister is now confabula­ project at not too heavy a cost. It is our ting in Bombay. First thing is the completion apprehension and tbe hon. Minister may of the project. In a bid to work faster, also repJy. There may be very little time there is a complete somersault so far as tbe left between tbe completion of a portion of cxecution of tbe project is conccrned. Hazira to Bizapur Hoe and tbe commissioning of Guna Fertiliser Plant which is to be commissioned in September. 1987. Of The late Prime Minister had taken a course. the bon. Minister bas replied that specific decision not (0 go in for a tUfn-key tbe Project is scheduled to be completed in contract for tbe comple~ion of this project all its aspects by July, 1989. But what and to enS!1ge Indian expertise for which about Quoa project? What will be tho the Oas Authority of India was ~ODltitUtod. 189 Cailln, ~tt.,,'lon PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (SAKA) ColllIIK Attention J9()

It bas no (unction tin today. Engineers the contractor with tbe lowest bid will be India Ltd. was' appointed as the pcim~ accepted or given tbe ~ork? Let it not be cODsultant. Tenders have been issued. understood that we have any choice for Rates have been obtained where Indian anybody. It 'is their baby. It seems tbat participation would have tbe commanding they .like tte Italian baby more. That is sbare of it. our apprehension, that the way things are hAppening, India that is Bharat will some day become an Italy. I would like to know Now, after the rates were know tender what would be the extent cf Indian partici. bids were opened and an offer came from an pation in this. WiJl it help our indigeoous Italian concern, then suddenly not only tbe know-how? What will be tbe role ot tenders were Dot accepted but the whole Engineers India Ltd ? ..• basis of execution of tbe project was altered and again an exercise started for giving this project 00 a turn· key basis. Now the MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Please now sU8Sestioo carne from that Italian CODcerD-r­ concJude. Soom Progetti-the name has been given. Now. Mrs. Indira Gandhi's specific ot.'cision SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: is altered. What is the justification? Ti11 Sir, are these questions flippant? to day we have not known. It is allegedly for the purpose of reducing the total cost. Are these questions irreJevant? But tbe Minister in today's ~tatement says that the estimated cost will te o\er Rs. MR. DEPUTY ·SPFAkER : You have 1700 crOfes which was We initial cost also. to PUI the question. ] am not telling that Therefore, to-day he is not talking of any they are irrelevant. reduced costs by reason of the turnkey project. That it is an insu1t to the House SHRI SOMNATH CHA1TFRJFE: If and there is a deliberate suppr~ssion because it is in appreciation of the relevance of tho Done of the earlier aspects has been mt::D­ question, I am obliged to yeu. tioned be,e. I would like to know from the hone ' Now everywhere it is admitted tbat the Minister When GAlL's recommendations delay is due to the change in the entire ~lave been received and I take it that tbe methodology and approach of the Govern­ Kaul Committee's recommendations have ment in a sOTt of carrying throu~h this also been received. I would like to know project which is admittedly vital for the whether on tbe basis of that, Engineers country's agricultural economy_ As lOU are India Ltd's role as prime consultants will be allowing us very little tia:e, I would like to retained aod whether the Kaul Committee know from the hon. Minister whether it ia a bas gone into the technical aspects of the fact that a s;'" months' delay will result in a matter, not tbe mere evaluation of tbe loss of 9.6 million toones of urea production tenders but the technical aspects of the valued at around 200 dollars per tonne different offers because taere are no teChnical landed in an Indian port' which comes to persons in the Kaul Committee, whether about Rs. 2500 crores loss. Is it a fact­ they have taken the opinkn of eminent has any calculation or exercise been made­ technical persClDS and whether tbey have whether the total cost of the Government taken the opinion of Gas A uthority of India of India's procrastination in this matter and Engineers India Ltd. in giving their will come to between Rs. 2iOO and Rs. report. 2864 crores out of which there will be a huge amount of foreign exchange component? SHRI BHATTAM SRI RAMA- MURTY (Visakhapatnam): In the context The present position as it appears from of the HBl PipeliDC Project, the Government the Minister', statement is tbat tend er~ have ,?f India had floated an organisatton caUed been received. Now I would like to known the teGas Authority of India Limited" in the. from tho boo. Minister when t~e final month of AUlust. 1984, witb the sole Object decision will be takoD. Can bo live us the of planning, desisning and cODstructiog of last 4ato' Will be asauro the House that pipeliDet for the ,as, oil and oU pr04).l9ts. 191 Calling A.tteRtlon MARCH 12. 1986 Call1nt .4ltentlolf 192

{Shri Bhattam Sri Ramamurty} proper? Does it not violate the terms and conditions of the contract by re • open ina tbe That being the very objective the very first entire issue? So" these are the questions project, which bas come up now. it is .being wbich arise in my mind. given away to an outside country cutting at the roots of the very organisation which the Government of India themselves have floated. Is that not a fact'll would like Sir, the Prime Minister himself stated tbe hon. Minister to react to this ma.tter. tba t comp1aints were received from various For want of time, instead of dilating on quarters. The objections are (l) the dilation tbis matter. I woUlfd like to point out to of the terms and conditions of the cender him that in the year 1984 itself the Ministry (2) tenders were Dot properJy evaluated ; of Petroleum went a' bead with the plan to and (3) certain specifications were diluted. execute tbe project. So m any Public sector We should first take up this question. The Undertakings have been lined up to do tender is composed of two parts. The first some major works for that project. By part is a technical one and lbe second part September 1984, the Ministry of Petroleum is a price tender. First the price tcnder was ready with the performance proposals was opened and subsequently the techli}.ical for inviting various tenders for this project. tender was opened on 28th August. On The entire thing has come to a grinding tbat date, it was decided that everyone of bait because of tbe stand taken by the the four multinational companies which had Government. Is this the way in which you offered tenders were all technically compe­ treated your Public Sector Undertakings? tent. When decision made known? If it I want to ask this question. The other bad been found objectionable, discussion important thing is a matter of policy. could have been raised on 28th August itself. That was not done. The technical Sir, 1 would like to ask ODe . more bids went un questioned. It was not at all question. questioned. The difficuJty arose onJy when the price bid was opened i.e. in the month of November, on 1st November. The Is ,it not a fact tbat the previous lowest bidder was a French firm and not an Government headed by the former Prime Italian firm. Therefore, they began to raise Minister Mrs. Indira Gandhi, has taken a hue and cry and that is how the entire decision to the effect that no outsider thing has come up again. sbold be invited for tbe construction of HBJ Pipeline and that it may be done indigenously wi tb the local tech~ology It is stated by the Prime Minister and . available? If that is so, 1 would lIke to also the Minister over here .hat the foreign ask the Government as to bow it has decided embassies, foreign Government-in fact one to reverse this decision. Does it not cut at of tbe Finance Ministers of a foreign the very root of self-reliance and s~lf­ country- have raised objections. Is it not rufficiency, the high ideals about wh1ch an internal matter in which the foreign tbey often talk about 1 Further. I, would countries> take interest? Is it proper to like to ask : Is it not a fact that thiS sort interfere in tbe internal matters of our of delay w'm tbe escalation of C?st of ~be country like this: It is entirely concerned project itself? That is anotber tblDg whIch with the commercial transaction of this I would. ultimately, like to know from tbe country. Should that a foreign Government Government. interfere in matters of this nature? Do you violate )'our own terms of agreement 1 Once Finally. Sir. 1 would like to ask the they are opened aDd decision taken. bow Government as to whether it is prClper, once can you reopen the issue? I s it not a apin, to re-open the entire issue at t~e violation of the very principles for tbe tender conditions? In that case it is open instance of a foreign Government? It 18 entirely an internal matter. Is it 'proper to question whether this is done with ulterior once the bids were opened on 28th motives or ulterior aims and objects tbi. i. done. That is what I am 80iD8 to August and on 1st November to ro.o~ the wbolo l$iuc? Is it necessary? Is It question? Calli", Attenii6ft tt4 193 Calli", Atl"",ltJ1I PHALGUNA 21, 1907 (SAKA)

ODe more thinS- The price bid was DeJay has occurred bere. 1 he Minister opened on 1st November, 1985.· It was says that delay bas not occurred and there will be no c:ostescalation. Tbat is the reply found that tbe French firm stood first. tbe Mexican firm stood second, tbe Italian firm which has been Biven the other day before stood third and the Canadian firm stood Rajya Sabha. the decision to go in for fourtb. Tben what was to be done? The turnkey project resulttd in a delay of one decision went in favour of the French firm. year in starting the work. The earlier plan Obviously so. The decision was taken by was given up. Government bad to ftoat GAIL since the French firm was the lowest new tenders. Thus, an initial delay of ODe bidder. Then all sorts of objections were year has taken place. His esteemed prede­ raised. The Secretaries' Committee was cessor said that the decision on the tender. appoined. The decision of tbis Committee would be taken by the end of December. was in favour of the decision taken earlier. Now we are in the month of March. No Not only that, the Ministry of Petroleum decision has yet been taken. Wb,? II again went into the question and tbey also tbis not delay? Does it Dot result in delay supported the decision taken by (JAIL. in the completion of the project? If it When three parties have gone into tbe matter. does not result in delay, I would like the where is the need for goinlZ into the matter hon. Minister to mention categorica))y when again and reopening the issue? That is the pipelines which are linked up with the not proper. Now the matter is receiving fertiliser plants will be completed, when the attention of the Minister of Finance. each of these pipelines and also each of tbe How is it that the matter was forwarded fertiliser plants will be completed. Let the to the Minister of Finance when three Minister come forward with a schedule as parties have already gone into the matter. be thinks best. That is neither proper nor regular. It tantamounts to violatio:l of tbe cor,ditions of tender document. As far as we know J escalation of costs is tbere. The Minister, on the contrary, I come to second. It is said that the says that the cost wi]) decrease and not value of Yen bas appreciated in relation to increase. This is tbe statement of tho tbe rupee. This again is an untenable Minister: "The delay in decjsion-takioB argument. Win you refer to the conditions would not.result in increase in the cost but of the tender which are published and would decrea$e the same; we shaH take communicated to tbe otb"r parties 1 Accor­ care that the cost is the minimum". How ding to tbe tender, the exchange rate will be does be take care of it? Apars from the the rate applicable as on 1st November, q~otations in. t~e tender, bas he started any that is tbe date of opening of tbe price bid; pnvate negotlatlons with the party? How the Government of India wm go by the does be say that it is going to be the exchange rate as it obtained on 1st Novem­ minimum? How is he saying that? ber. It is in conformity witb tbe tender conditions. Why then reopen it? How is it that Government thousht it fit to reopen The Prime Minister bas stated that this the matter on that account? There may bas resulted in a saving of around Rs. 1000 be a political consideration. The Minister, crores. Contrary to the Prime Minister's while giving answer on tbe fioor of Rajya assertion, ,tbe cost estimate of the project Sabba.· bas.. stated that the· international remains at at Rs. 1100 crores 8S before. situation bas to be taken into consideration Thousand crores ,aving would be there and various other aspects have got to be Tb~t is wbat the Prime ~Minjtter has stated: tak~O \ int':) cpoaideration. If extraneous It IS thus lower tben the lowest bid made by consideration go into the decision in teaard tbe French firm. This besides the ,cost of to the HDl pipeline. it will be a sad day; th~ 1.nd the pipeline$ ,and everything else. we will be surrenderibl our independence :if ·we -tab decisions ill our internal matters .at ,tho beb.,.t or, ioteneaaOll of some foreiID .~ ; it will be a bad day for ,tbil MR. DEPlJTY4P8A·KEa (;OUDtl')' if we do that. QOPcJude, 195 CalU"g Attlfttlon MARCH 12, 198f Calli", Att~n"o" \96

SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMAMURTY: relating to line pipes. But in the meanwhile Certain things are happening which are not the Menon Committee which was examinina in the best interest of the country. There­ the GAIL and ElL capability to implement fore, I request that these things should be the project. observed that management, better sorted out at the earliest to the satis­ organisation 8S weU as timely completion by faction of the entire country- Let there be GAIL and ElL may be a source of concertl. no busling the matter and let there be no So. it was in tbe interest of the timely com­ underhand dealing in this matter. pletion that the Government bad to recon8ider its earlier approach. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: What was NATURAL GAS (SHRI CHANDRA the recommendation of tbe Committet' ? SHEKHAR SINGH) : Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir: I welcome this oppor~unity accorded to SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: the Government by the Hon. Mem~ers to I am prepared to meet you later and clear clear all the doubts and apprehens which anything which might be troubling you. might be hovering in the minds of some people. AN HON. MEMBER: But not in the House 1 PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: l,nd suspicion atso. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR S1NOH: When the Menon Committee had observed SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: that the GAlL at the present moment did not Suspicion lies in the mind of Prof. possess the capability to im p)ement tbe Dandavate. project. there was no option left for tbe Government but to go for a turn-key project. AN HON. MEMBER: Suspicion was there in the minds of other also. Hon. Member Shri Ramamurthy got very eloquent that we are giving it to somebody, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The reply some foreign companies. I n the present will remove aU the suspicions. situation and even elsewhere where we do not have the requisite expertise there is no

SHRI CHANDi~A SHEKHAR SINGH: other way out for us. We have only to sec I hope we will be able to clear. that while we take assistance (rom foreign companies, it shou1d be our effort to see that the indigenous participation is maximised PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: In and enable the indigenous companies to go suspicion matt~r, I democratica\ly represent for higher participation in future. As far all of them. the ElL I would like to make it clear tbat the Gasuni back-up consultancy to ElL still SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: continues for the HBJ project and ElL's role We don't know wben you will be letting as GAlL's prime consultant will not be them down. diluted in any way.

I would like to place the entire history SHRI SOMNATH CHAITERJEB e of the project and the present situation, the Under the turn-key also. complete analysis of it before the Members and before the Hon. House. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: Yes, of course. Sir, tbis project was approvid, as I said, in April 1984 and the estimated cost was seventeen hundre j and odd crores. In May SHRI AMAL DATTA: Earlier also 1984 quotations were called on a piecemeal the Oasuni was there. SOt if they havo h'l~is and offers were received. Some of the capability now did Dot they have capabilit1 bids were opened, particularly the bids then? 191 Caillng t4ttenlliih PHALGUNA 21, J907 (SitKA) Calli", Attentioll 198

SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: Today it is 1986. You are referring to They have Dot got the capability for imple­ a decision in 1985 and the deci~ion was taken mentation. 1 he ElL are only consultants to because the Menon Cor.nmittee of experts tbe GAIL. They were not intended to clearly made their observations that there execute tbe project. were constraint OD GAIL and ElL and they could not execute the project. So, Goycrn­ ment took a decision for turn-key project SURI AMAL DA1 T A: ElL can fall implementation. back on the resources of Gasuni. Now, I would like to inform you that a SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: task force with replesentatives of GAIL and Gasuni are only the back-up consultants for ElL was constituted to evaluate the technical tbe ElL. and price bids and consideration was also sought to be Iliven to maximising tbe indi­ SHRI SOMNA TH CHATTERJeE: genous content without affecting the technical What remains of the Menon Committee para-meters or delivery schedules. The recomm~ndation ? (lr:le,.,upt,ons) Was it bidders gave their bids and GAIL submitted for the purpose of scuttling the earlier thing? its report 00 14.11.1985 and that is under the consideration of the Government. Mean­ SHRI CHANDRA SBEKHAR SINGH: while Governments of Canada nnd It aly Now, Mr. Somnath Chatterjee would like to have made thtir observation on certain persuade the Menon Committee with his specific points. views. I do not think if the Committe~ of experts finds that these are the constraints of SHRI AMAL DATTA: What are the situation there were other option. As those? we are discussing this subject today tbis particular point is now only a matter of SHRI CHANDRA SHEKI-IAR SINGH: history. The entire project has progressed I will tell you. (Interruptions) Please have far abead and that point has Dot much patience. The bon. Member has raised the relevance. question that this is an interference in the internal affairs of our country. If this con­ cept is accepted then there should be no SHRI SOJ\.tNATH CHATTERJEE bilateral re1ations with other countries or no That is serdid bi5tory. contacts with other countries. Every enlbassy is interested and they do take care of tbe SHRI CI;lANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: commercial interest of their country. It is not serdid history. 13.00 bra. (lnttrtuptions) It is Dot an extraordinary thing whiCh has SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I bappened in this case, What was done? would like the hon. Minister to place the Do you think it proper that if the matter report of the Menon Committee on tbe T~ble is raised not by the companies, but by the of tbe House. Government, or if the matter is raised by the Foreign Minister, we should take the (llate, ,up/Ions) position that we will Dot look at their paper, at their letter, because it is an internal affair and we would not I ike anybody to tell us or SHRI CHANDRA SllEKHAR SINGH: advise us anything about tbis project ? You write to me and I will let you know what tbo position is. Kindly have patience. I have listened to you and you must listen. Government appointed a Conlmittee ) atn prepared to explain every point that headed by the Cabinet Secretary to look the bon. Members have raised. I am not into the specific points raised by the countries MoiDa to omit any single point raised by tbe and not to re-evaluate the bids. They ncted hOD, Momberl. witb speed aDd submitted tbcir tcpon OD 1t9 Calli", Jftt~nlion MARCH 12, 1989

(Shari Chandra Sbekhar Singh] I would again like, to assure the House '0.1.1985. A lot of hue and cry bas been that this is tbe .first maajor cross-country gaS raisod about the delay in the project. Last pipe l~De project in tbe country; many time then tbis subject was discussed in this more JJkeIy to come up in the future. We House, perhaps on a. starred question my ba ve to take full Dote of the present Inter.. predecessor in the office replied that the national situation and derive the maximum contract would be finalised by December advantage for our country in terms of end, 1985. This is March, J 986. 1 would minimisation of cose and maximisation of accept that there has been a delay of two indigenous participation, facilitating transfer , months and a few days. The offers ba ve of technology and retaining tbe time-frame been extended upto 24.3.1986. There has for tbe entire project. Now I would come ·been some delay because of tbis particular to tbat. Every bon. member made a point ocourrence, but a delay of two months and a about the delay in the project. I wouftl fow days is not a delay over which this like to point out that even at the time of outcry bas to be made ...•.... (lnterruptjons) the ~roject approval, i.e. April 1984, it was Have patience. I will tell you about each specIfied that the project completion scbedule minute tbing ..... ,(Interruptions). You have is 63 months, and completion wiJJ be in ]uly Dot spoken, but 1 know what is in your mind 198Y. SO the completion schedule originally and I will reply. contemplated is not changed.

This is not a delay which is very extra .. ordinary, but I would like to take tbe House SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO .. into confidence that just now the matter is WALIA: But it was 36 montbs. between the Petroleum Ministry and tbe Finance Ministry. SBRI C~ANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: Some hon. Members raised objectifens No change JO the completion schedule is to the participation of the Finance Ministry. ~ontempJate~, although tbe strategy for This is a regular procedure. Even when an ImplementatIon bas been changed. expenditure of a single rupee bas to be made, it bas to go to the Finance MinistrY; with ... out their sanction, their approval, it cannot SHRI BALWANT SINGH be done. The Finance Ministry is being RAMOOW ALIA: Is he not reading it consulted. Tbey are evaluating the price otherWise? bids ; they are taking a view about the bids, and there is every likelihood and I would like to assure the )-louse that the contract would SH~I SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: 63 be a warded before tbe ex lended period of months Instead of 36 months? 24.3.19~5. We sbould be able to do this uuless some contingency arises.,. (Jllirruptlon!) SHRI. CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: I would repeat that tbere is every likelihood No. 1t IS not otherwise. That mjstak~ tbat tbe contract would be awarded before can occur there and not here. I would like tht cxtended period of 24th March, 1986. to Oisure the hon. members that the original schedule for completion of the HBJ project SHill BHATTAM SRIRAMA MURTY: would be maintained at aU costs. Is the Finance Ministry doing the evaluation (l"terrtlprlons) of the technical bid or the price bid?

SHRI.CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: J would also like to repeat that there The evaluation of the technical bid is done wou~d. be. no . dilution so fat as ind;,enous by the administrative Ministry and the particIpation. IS. concerned. We will try to dvaluation of tbe price bids is gencral1y s~e tbat our IndIgenous companies not ooly cone in consultation with the Finance give their cOJltribution to the project but .Ministry. Thoy are doing their job; tbey al.80 ~eveloP" capabilitjes so tbat in the f~ture are Dot encroaching upon the domain of p~pehDe proJects, tbere participation ma, bo lome qther Ministr)'. blgher. 201 ,CullI",. AIISIIlion PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (SAKA) Ca/~/ng t4ttentlolt 20i

Now the critical portion is that of SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: Hazira·Bijaipur and an bon. member raised What is your objection? The original a point whether the Guna fertilizer project, time fram e for completion of tbe project is wbicb is scheduled to be con1missioned in being maintained. The Guna Fertilizer September 1987 would be able to come up Plant is being given the feed-stock in time in time or not, or whether there wiJl be a and if there has been a deJay of two months mismatch between the commissioning of the and a few days, certain cost reduction may fertilizer project and 'the availability of also occur and it is to our advantage. Now, feedstock. This is an important point and you ask me, J won't be able to tell you at I would like to assure the House again that tbis stage because I told you, our exercise tbis bas been taken into consideration. may get hampered. So we would Dot like There might be a delay of about three to spell it out before the House, how this months or a little more in commissioning cost reduction may occur. But I will tell this portion. But alternative arrangements you certainly the delay of two months and a have been mad e to fire the boilers for few days may reduce the cost of the entire synchronisation with naphtha and multi-fuel project. So, tbere cannot be any objection facilities have been put up as a stand by on any point. Tbe original time frame is for all the fertilizer plants including Guna. being maintained. Guna Fertilizer Plant is So, for six months period. when they going to come up in time aod get the feed­ require this gas for synchronisation in their stock in time. Now, the project cost is not trial run. naphtha will be made available, if escalating. So there is going to be DO'" Deed be. By the time the actual production objection from any quarter to what we are starts, this portion will conle up and gas going to do at the moment. J think, I have would be available even for the Guna replied to every point raised by the hone fertilizer plant and there is not going to be Members. any mismatch. Gas will be made available at the right time for the Guna fertilizer (/nterruptlona) plant also. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Sir, I ask specifically what basic objection was raised SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: for which you thought it fit to appoint a The fertilizer may cost nlore. Committee ? •••••

SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: (Inter/up/ion" ) The hon. member has raised the question that this delay of three months or so might SHRI BALWANT SINGH escalate tbe prices. Earlier I told in the RAMOOWALIA : The Minister vehemently Rajya Sabha and I want to reiterate before stated that he wi)) reply to all tbe points this House again that as the situation stands raised by the Members. I raised an issue today, we are hopeful tbat because of the regarding supply of diesel to Punjab_ •••• delay of three months or two months and twenty day, we may be able to reduce the (Interruptions) cost. The costs wi)) not esca1ate. I do not want to tell you at this stage as to how MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. this caD be done. But after it is accompli­ sbed, we will certainly let you know, if Please do not interrupt like this. you want me to tell you. But I am fully hopeful tbat a delay of two months and SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: twenty days •••••• Sir, the bon. Mr. Datta has raised the point that the two Governments raised objections (1 ntel'ruptio"8) regarding the competence of one of the partner, of a consortium.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: TbCD )'ou cab delay all the projects. SHR.I AMAL DA.TTA : Who ,raised it? Cali,,,, AlIenI/on 204

SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN It is not proper for you or me to name any (Badagara) : Sir, this a cleal case of a partner in any consortium. privilege. What do you mean by saying "you have been briefed" ? SHRI AMAL DATTA: The com pence is not there in what way? ""'hat we.'e the MR. DEPUTY ~SPEAKER: Unni. specific points in regard to competence? please listen. You please take your seat. He is speaking. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: It is not proper for me or fof' you to name SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I Point any partner. am raising a of Order.

MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: He is SHRI AMAL DATTA: The Govern­ answering. He is speaking. What is your ment thought 'tt fit to appoint a Committee Point of Order? and can't we ask for its reason '? SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: He has said something very objectionable It is nOl proper to discuss and go into the which may have escaped his notice. That examination of all these things. It is not Members are getting briered .•.••• proper to do so. 1 have told you clearly what it was and the Committee has reported and their report is with us. I am not able to reply to only one question by Shri SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: It Somnath Chatterjee and 1 cannot reply to it is most unbc.coming of hi~. and the reply can be given only when the contract is awarded. He asked nle who is soing to get the contract '1 (lnterrupt:ons)

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Mr. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I Deputy Speaker, Sir, either be bas to asked. are yon going to consider the lowest withdraw those remarks or he has to tender tendere for this purpose? apologies to the House. He says that the hon. Member has been briefed by somebody SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: ...... The lowest tendered bas to be determined. That is the question •••.•• (1 fl terr"pl ions )

SHRI SOMNATH C}IATTERJEE : Sir, (interruptions) I said, I don't care which concern sets it •••

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: (/n'e,ruptio1ls) GAIL's recommendation is Dot on the basis of the •••••• SHRI CHANDRA SH£KHAR SINGH: I never said that he has been briefed by a company. (1 n,errupfio"s) (lnle,r"ptlons) SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: I know you have aot some briefs. He says, he has got GAIL's recommen­ dation. How did be get it ?

(Interruption,) (Interruptlonl)

SHRI SOMNATH CHAtTER.JEE: SHal SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Iu lir. this is very objectionable. ),our atatement, ,OU have laid that ...... 205 Calli", Att~,.tlofl PHALGUNA 21. 1901 (SAKA) Matt,r U"d" .,, 377 206

(lit ~trrUpI101") 13.1! hrs.

JOINT COMMlTI'EE ON LOKPAL BILL SHR) CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: That is what is called briefing. You Ict some papers .•.... (rnterruptions) Motion re Extension time of for Presentation of Report

SOMB BON. MEMBERS: No.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATrBRJEE : I SHRI BRAHMA DUTT (Tchri Garhwal): &m not briefed by somebody. You are J beg to move the following : briefed by somebody. "That this House do extend upto tbe 1ast day of the second week of tbe SHRt CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH: monsoon Session, 1986, tbe time for 1 aaain say 1 have never said that you have presentation of tbe Report of the Joint been briefed by any company. You arc Committee on tbe Bill to provide for the letting some papers. You are showing them. appointment of a Lokpal to inquire into Without some brief. you cannot do it. But allega tions of corruption against Union my only point is . (ln/~"uPJlons) Ministers and for matters connected therewith. n SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: We get journals, newspapers, and we get information. As a Member of Parliament, MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER The you must have got it. We have not been question is : supplied by the Prime Minister's Secretariat. ·'Tbat this House do extend upto the last day of tbe second week of the (/nterruptionJ) Monsoon Session, 1986, tbe time for presentation of the Joint Committee SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINOH: on the Bin to provide for the appoint.. GAIL's recommendation ...•• (lnt,"uptlonJ) ment of a Lokpa) to inquire into allegations of corruption against Union Ministers and for matters coonected MR DEPUTY -SPEAKR : I will SO therewith." into it. If I see anything objectionab1e, I will expunge it. 1 win do it. The MOllon was adopttd.

SHRt CHANDRA SHBKHAR SINGH: I have said that I have replied to every sing'e t'oint raised by bon. Members, except 13-17 brs wbat troubles Mr. Somnatb Cbattorjee, as to (SHRI ZAINUL BASHER In the cha/'] who is goinl to get the contract. I am not goiol to reply to lbis. The contract would be awarded ... (l"t~""ptIOfl') in the best 13.17 brs. national interests; and we shalt see tbat indigenous participation is tbe highest. We MATTERS UNDER. RULE 377 .hall see that tbe cost is minimum. we sbalt see tbat every time-frame is maintained, {English] and we would like to assure tbe House that (I) Need to take Measures to Safeguard the decision will be in tbe larger interests of the Interests of cottOD growers of Gul.rat the country. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL (Broacb) • (lDt"I1Ipllo", ) The prices of cotton are at low ebb, and tbe,; cotton ,rowers in Gujarat are in great ,,- .. , distress. Tbe ruoOns con~JiJion for tbe 207 Motter Unde, MARCH 12. t986 Rule 377 208

(Shri Ahmed M. Patel) s. It is learnt tbat there are certain cotton growers in Oujarat have been created irregularities in purchase of cotton, on account of increase in production and and I hope the Government will lowbuying by mills. Gujarat State produces look into them. 2G per cent of the total cotton production in tbe country. The following developments are responsible for the distressing situation: (II] Need to provide jobs to tbe displaced persoDS and absorb at lea5t 3,.000 more (I) The new textile policy bas yet to persons before tbe completioD of the:Orst bring tangible results, and out of pbase of the Visakhapatnam Steel Plant 8,00,000 powerlooms, about 2,40,000 have been shut down. The prices SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA MURTY of yarn are also cut down by 20% (VisakhapatDsm): The Government's policy to 25%. of providing jobs to one able-bt)died member of each household of the displaced (2) The textile mills have buae stocks families in Viskhapatnam Steel Plant area of unso Id yarn and fabrics. is being flouted. Out of thirteen thcusand displaced (13,000) families. only about 1,380 (3) The world cotton market indicates persons have been so far provided with jobs. that the cotton supply is in excess of demand, and tbe task of The Stee] PJant authorities are not increased export, by the country undertaking any work dir~ctly, but employing would be more difficult. contractors even for maintenance of the township. lhe sweepers, gardeners and (4) The lotal world production rose Class IV jobs an come under the purview of sharply from 67.53 minion bales in the private contractor3, and the displaced 1982·83 to 84.3' million bales in persons are ignored. Inspite of repeated 1984-S5. assurances, the programnle of year· wise recruitment was Dot worked out. Inspite 1 urge the Government to take fonowing of the decisions earlier taken in 19M3. the measures immed iately : Government have failed to formulate a programme for seJf~empJoyment opportuni. 1. The new textile policy be imp1e­ ties to displaced persons with Central mented, assuring the off-take of assistance. The payment of compensation cotton at remunerative prices and at market rate was so far denied to them, re-formulation of functions of inspite of the prevailing ruling decilion of the Cotton Corporation of India, to Supreme Court to that affect, dragginS tbem include price stabilization operations. to protracted litigation.

2. The Gujarat Cotton Federation may I, tberefore, urge on the Government to be authorized to make purchases fulfil their commitment of providing jobs to under tbe scheme, with adequate the displaced persons and absorb at Jeast finance. Union Government should 3.000 more persons before the first phase of accept the responsibility of tbe plant in Visakhapatnam, besides payinl compensating losses to the extent them compensation at market rate. of support price stabilization purcbases. (Iii) Need to arrange. live telecast 01 Cat ' 3. The C.C.I. and other exporting Felt.val of Lord . Shri Jagaoo.tII ·.ecI. agencies should be permitted to every year at Puri Dham. eXl)ort at lel~t 5 lath bales. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGR.A:HI 4. For purchases at remunerative (Bbubaneswar): The world famous car prices and export, the RBI and festival of Lord Sbri Jaaannath evey year at NABARD should modify their Puri Dham attracts millions of devotees and cteait policies. ~oud8ts from all over tbe world. ni. PHALGUNA 21, 1907 (SArA) Buk 377 210

famoul festival dates back to ver, ancient of sub·standard fertiliser, tbey have to suffer times. Lord Shri Jagaonatb was first heavy ]oss. I request the Minister for worshipped by the tribals and th is car Agriculture to dispose of tbe said sub ... festival of Lord Jaaannath has been a world standard fertiliser at a reasonable rate either concept accepted from those days. But it througb Food Corporation of India or is most unfortunate tbat this world renowned througb any other agency. car festival has been deprived of getting a live telecast in Doordarsban pr:.>sramem. The cult of Lord Jagannath symbolises world (vi) Need to take neeessary measures to intOlration as GURU Nanak came down to OOIItrol this Hood. ID MahaD.dl basta ID Puri to avail Lord's darsban and spent some the dlstrlrm of Cattark aDd Purl. montbs at Puri out of devotion to tbe Lord. Similarly Sal beg also lived in Puri with SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY utmost devotion to the lord. (Puri) : Mahanadi flood control system for Jast one decade has not control1ed tbe floods I therefoTe urle upon tbe Government in spite of Hirakund dam constructed on to arrange live telecasts of this famous car river Mabanadi (Orissa) in order to control festival at Puri in Dootdarshan programme the floods almost every alternate year vast from this year onwards. areas of Districts Cuttack and Puri are being damaged on account of tbe devastatiol floods Many families are left in distressing (ly) Need to reDO"ate Sone Canal aDd economic condition. Tbe crop is lost and exteosJoa of distributor, from Bbaw. the residential houses arc damaged. Nothing to Pareo aad repairs or Kurkurl line. positive bas been dODe so far to control tbe devastating Hoods. The matter has been SHal C. P. THAKUR (Patna): Sone raised in Parliament number of times and it canal is a life line of lacs of population of was assured by the Government tbat the Bibar. Tbis scheme is more than 100 years problem will be examined by the experts to old and bas developed cracks and breeches. be deputed by the Central Government. Fifty per cent of water of this scheme go~ waste. To consume water for mere irrilation purposes, this scbeme should be takeD up J D District of Puri the crops almost in without any delay in this fio,ocjal year. The entire Puri Sub-Division are beiDa washed question regarding extension of tbis distri­ away. The matter needs urgent attention of butory from Bbawa to Pareo in Paloa tbe Government. Protective measures District was raised last year but steps taken against tbe devastating floods need to be taken imm~diateJy. 80 far are Dot enoulb. Brick Kharaja at It.urkuri line in Nawatpur area will also ireat1, facilitate irrigation works in quite I am. tberefore, urging upon tbe Govern­ larae areas. ment of India to take up tbe appropriate steps to control tbe floods in Mahsnadi basin in tbe Districts of Cuttack and Puri. (.) Need to dispose or tile sub-ltaadard fertilizer at • redueecl prlee either through Food Corporation of [Iaella or (.10 Need to a.end to ForeJpers (Determl­ MY other ageaey. Dation by TrlbuDals) Act, 1983.

SHRI ANOOPCHAND SHAH (Bombay SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI (Guwahati): North): A large quantity of sub-standard The Parliament enacted Foreigners (Deter­ fertiliser is lying with M.inistry of Agriculture mination by Tribunals) Act. 1983 but the and there il. no demand for the same. It Act has falled to acbieve the desired has becomo 10 dry tbat farmers and agricul­ o~jectives • ,tiMre are various lacunee in the turists arc Dot prepared to purchase or utilise Act. WltJ:aOUt proper amendments in ibe this sub-:standard fertiliser at the prev_niDg Act, the Assam Accord canoot be imple­ market rat. as they are lOtting lood quanity mcm~ effectively. I t may be pointed .out of fertUiser at the same rate. If tbe Govern­ tbat tbou,b the Act was eo_Clod iD 1"3 ment does Dot dilpOse of tbis hu,. quaatit7 yb:tlla1l1 DO ~ b,. botQ ~etenDt_ ~'r 211 Malter Under Rultt 3'77 MARCH 12, 1986 a.II.raJ Bull", 1986-87-G.". 1l1,. 212

(Shri Dinesh Goswami] There is Jarae production of oraDIes in the Act. The Government of Assam has Tcbsil Pach Pabar, Tcbsil P·idawa aod Tehail submitted representations to the Union to Jhalra Patan in district J.balwar, a major amend the Act. The matter. require~ uIlJent portion of which is despatched to other parts consideration. of tbe country from Bbawani Mandi Station. Oranges worth more than Rs. 6 erores are estimated to have been produced in this area ('viii) Need to attract more roreign tourists during the last year. to Jndia, particular)y {rom middle eastern, Gulf aDd Soutb·Eastera Keeping in view such a large production countries. there is Deed to organise the orange trade in a proper way and in addition to removing PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baramulla) : the difficulties coming in the way of railway There is tremendous scope for attracting boo king. there is ne.d to set up orange-based foreign tourists to India. It is estimated units either ;n t he Public Sector or in tbe that India attracts only one per cent of the co-operative sector with a view to increase international tourists although India sbould the local consumption so that the fatmers be considered one of the countries in the growing oranges could get the fair prices. world which off~r/ricb variety in tourist resorts and other attractions with its vast and varied hio;;tory represented by ancient monu­ I would like to submit to tbe bon. ments, archaeological wonders. museums and Aariculture Minister to take suitable action breath-takin; scenic beauties and picturesque in the matter. landscapes'fI·it\~Jndia should be on the top in the tourist map of the world.

Middle Eastern 7 Gulf and South-Eastern countries offer new areas where a concerted 13.28 brs. effort to attract tourists could yield rich dividends. GENERAL BUDGET, 1986-87- GENERAL DISCUSSION-Conld. I came to know recently that some travel agencies in Kuwait had booked 250 persons [English] for visiting Indh. The prospective tourists had desired to visit Khajuraho as also parti­ MR. CHAIRMAN: The House will cipate in ~kiing at Gulmarg (Kashmir). now take up further general discussion on To my dismay, I was told that the telegrams, the Budget (General) for 1986-87. telephone calls and other communications from our Tourist Office in Kuwait and travel Sbri Harish Rawat was on his legs. He agencies there did not evoke any response can continue his speecb. from the concerned departments in Delhi. This is something disheartening and I wish that the Government of India takes a serious [T,.anllatlon) notice of this mishap. SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Mr. Chairman, Sir, concern has been [Trans/otlon] expressed by some sections that minimum allocation has been made in the Budler for (Ix) Need to provide all racilities to OraD~e growers in Jbalawar district of Rajasthan. the core sector, but tbe facts are contrary to this. In comparison to last year's budaet. 29 per cent more alloeatioD has been made SHRI JUJHAR SJNGH (JhaJawar): for Agriculture and Irrigation. Similarly 61 Mr. Chairman, Sir, the yield of oranges has per cent more anocation bas been made for been increasing ~1endily in district JhaJawar Railways and 33 per cent more fund. bave during the period of over last one decade been provided for the power aeetor. The and the farmers have shown great enthusiasm hon. Finance Minister has' made the efforts in tJr. production of oranges. to mobilise tb~ Dl\lxim\lm rcso~r~e5. - PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (sJjI.t4) 1986-87-Gen. /);s. 214

[EnglLrh] works of NHPC. these are the two sectors in the field of powers generation tha t they SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN can not mobilise sufficient funds through (Badagara) : Sir. what is tbis? The' Finance Bonds etc. I would, therefore, like to submit Minister is supposed to be present when the to the hon. Finance Minister that if he General Budget is discussed. He is not wants that our tar~et for pov.er generation present bere. may not suffer like that of the Sixth Plan and we achieve tbe target fixed for the Seventh Plan, efforts should be made to MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Cbidambaram provide more budgcl:Uy support to l'HPC is present here. and State Electricity Beards. Unless you provide additional funds thrc1u!.h Budgetary SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: He support. I tbink the NHFC ~'J,,:d State is not in cbarge of the Finance portfoJio. Electricity Boards may find it difI:Cl1lt to He is not the Finance Minister. Nor is be mobiJise the resources. the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs. What is going on ? We would bav.: to view th e Cllllent AN HON. MEMBER: He has come. Budget in the light of last Budget and long Hon. Minister is already in the House. term fiscal policy as ulso the size and targets of the Seventh Five Year Pian. The sections SHRI HARISH RAWAT: I am of our economy which were given some satisfied. concessions in the last year's Budget, have not been disappointed by the .Finance Minister tbis year as well. In addition some new sections have also b( cn given concession. I would like to express my thanks to him for that, he bas tried to keep KEcping in vkw the Budget Estimates of a balance between our long term fiscal policy lost year, there has been an increase of 29 and basic targets of the Seventh Plan. We per cent on planned expenditure. but in may call the current yearts budget a positive comparison to actual expenditure on tbe advancement in that direction. The most Plan last yt'ar, there is an increase of 11 per commendable aspect of this )'l:ar's Budget cent in real terms in the Budget estimates is that our depeudence on forejgn debt has of the current }ear. I am Plot referring to gone down con~iderably. Only 5 pc:r cent tbis point as a compJaint, but I am afraid of tbis year's Budget has been supported by that this the second Budget of our Seventh the foreign debt. But the gap between Five Year Plan and if the present trend of import and export is widening continuously. increase in the ratio continues, Finance At present there is a gap of approx. Rs. Ministry may find it difficult to mobilise the 7000 crores. The tendency of a decline in resources for the Plan in the coming years. the production of Petroleum products shows I would, therefore, )ike to submit tbat that this gap would further wid~n. I would effort,,, should be made right now to search request the bon. Finance Minister that we new sources for mobilising resources in the should look towards tbose area5 in whose coming years. case import has been liberalised. We have especially liberalised the import of techno­ Without-increasing any burden in tbe logy, which might yield lood results in the Budget, you have made an additional long run,. but it may put a burden directly al1ocation of Rs. ~OO crores for power on our economy. Because by taking generation: The hone Finance Minister advantage of your liberalisatioD, tbe private deserves our coogratu!ations for the same. sector is importing the spare parts indIscri­ You have asked the N H.P.C. and N.L.C .. minately and arter assembling them market to mobilise resources tbrough bonds and is being flooded with the good, which is foreign IOiiO, but 1 w\)uld like to submit having a very adverse effect on our indi­ tbat kecpial in view the reputation of some genous market. I would like to ~ubmit that State Electricity Boards as also the delay I bad asked a question and in its reply it wbich takes place in the com plot ion of was stated tbat 76 foreian collaboratioQ (Shri Harish Rawatl Ours is a mixed economy. Private and sector would have &Ireements had been finalised on cent percent sector Public to support eacb otber, but it appears that tbe basis A hale amount of foreign exchange target of the Private sector is to e&lD profits bas been spent on tbem. I would like to only. This apprehension is proving to be submit that control is required to be exer­ true, because despite existence of mixed cised in tbis area also so tbat Private sector ecooomy for so many years, the does not take undue advantage of your number of the unem ployed youths is growiog conti· Iiberalisation and macbines are not a$Sem­ nously. There is contmaus decline in tbe bled bere by importing the parts indiscrimi­ availability of essential consumer items. nately. There js also contmous declino in the qua lity of goods produced and prices are increasina. The works are not being paid fair waaes. I Budget deficit is not so much, which would like to submit that tbe industries in could not be bridged. There was a dcficjt Private sector do Dot deserve our sympathy. budget last year also. This is the third It bas to be seen as to how maximum consecutive year wben a deficit budget has control could be exercised on them and as been presented. Last year vigorous efforts to have pressure could be kept on them. were made for tbe collection of revenue in ~ddition to provision of concessions. In addition to concessions, pressure was built Tbe hOD. Finance Minister bad expressed up so that people could bear the tax burden. certain expections from the Public sector in As a resuJt tbete has been 23 per cent his last Budget speecb. I am happy to increase in the collection of taxes, for which note tbat tbere has been some improvement tbe Finance Minister deserves our congra­ in certain sectors. Petroleum sector, NHpC tulations. I hope tbat same tempo would and collieries have especially done very well. be maintained this year as well. Keeping But there are stiJl certain sectors where in view the total tax colJectioos. foreign improvement is required to be made. Speci­ exchange reserve, and the buffer stock of ally improvement is required to be made in foodgrains, we may expect that the inflation the function ing of ~tate Electricity Boards would be kept under control like Jast two and tbe Corporations. During the last or tbree years, rather tbe rate of inflation session. a question was asked as to what would go down. I would also like to submit are the transmission losses in Delhi. it was hero that the ratio between wholesale Price stated in the reply that there was 20 to ~5 Index and Consumer Price Index is always per cent transmission loss in Delhi. If impracticable. You should kindly see to there is 20 to 25 per cent transmission 10ss it tbat whole sale Price Index is not increased in 8 small Union Territory like Delhi, I do and Consumer Price Index is also kept not know as to how we could ask larger under cootro'. If we do not control tbe States like M.P. and U.P. to reduce their Price Index, the difficulties of the common transmission losses. At least there are mao would increase. certain sectors where improvement could be brought about. but a deliberate attempt is made to reduce tbe production. ]n such I would also like to voice my concern sectors we should see to it that there is no about tbe industrial production. The hon. decline in production. The State Govern­ Finance Minister bad given some concessions ments should be asked that they should not to the industrial sector and had expressed only ask for more funds; but tbey sbould his expectations in the Budset speech. but also see as to how tbe fund., which are his expectations bave been belied by the provided to them are utilised best. For industrial sector _ Whatever ine~ase has tbis. it is necessary that present trend accor­ been recorded in the field. of industrial ding to whicb the bureaucrat wbo can production, has been contributed by the jnftuen~ the hiah ups iD the Ministry itl aD), Public Sector and elcctron'ic enterprises. I way is appointed as Head of any public WOUld, therefore, like to submit that the sector undertaking, should be discourapd. Private Sector should be asked to meet tile I would urge upon you tbat mostly thole expectations expressed by the bon. Finance persons who are active in public life and wbo Minister in his last Bodlet speech. have certain commitment. to public welfan 1986-87-Ge". Du. 2is and are able to cODtribute in the success of AloDgwitb tbis, tbose unemployed youtbs the public sector should be appointed Heads should a) so be paid something as unemp)oy. of tbe public sector undertak.ings. ment al10wance whose name bad been registered in the employment exchanges ten years back and who have so far Dot been With a view to ensure Social justice. it 10 get any job. is necessary for our economic system that we may take something from tbose who are It it also to be ensured that there should capable of paying. I am happy, that tbe be better coordination between the State Finance Minister has tried to raise resources Governments and the Central Government from tbole sectors which are in a position for the poverty alleviation programmes. If to contribute. He bas tried to increase the it is Dot done. then these programmes will and has aJso mobilised resources by revenue not succeed. Also, this work sbould be imposina taxes on luxury goods.. Out of entrusted to a good machinery. If your those fuodl be has allocated more funds for machinery does not do it properJy, even then tbe programmes aiming at removal of poverty. there is doubt in these programmes beiDa want to submit that 8hri Nani I also successful. For this there is imperative Deed Palkbiwala and Sbri Sethi who were praising to improve your machinery. him last year have got annoyed witb the Finance Minister nowadays. But thousands of thousands people of India are praising Shri Poojary bas brought about improve­ him and tbanking him that in this year's ment in the banking sector. I would like Budget he has allocated 6S per cent additional to request him to kindly make the banking funds for the poverty removal programmes. sector very liberal towards the poverty Here I want to express my apprehension that alleviating programmes. out of the funds going to be allocated for tbis programme in the Seventh Five Year Plan you have already provided 48 per cent Whereas in the field of social justice, during the first two years. I want that you poverty alleviating programme play an impor­ should assure tbe people that in the coming tant rolc, you should make provisions in tbe yeas also this tempo will be maintained. If Budget for ending the regional disparities in the coming years allocation in this regard also. In this Budget very less provision bas is reduced, then whatever we have achieved been made for tbis purpose and specially Uttar through this programnle till date willb ecome Pradesh is being neglected Continiously. I infructuous. want to mention that in the industrial sector per capita investment is just Rs. 18 whereas in Maharashtra it is Rs. 1720, in Gujarat it is Rs. 1660, in Haryana it is Rs. 1383. in You have provided some funds for all, Punjab it is Rs. 1464 and in Tamilnadu it is be it lRDP, NREP. RLEGP, Self Employ­ Rs. 1041. In a large State like Uttar ment Guarantee Scheme. Rural Landless Pradesh wbere 16 percent of the country's people, Scheduled Castes, Harijans. bonded total population resides and which bas 10 labour, rickshaw puller, wasberman, porler, percent area of the total area of tbe country. sweeper, infants, preloant women etc. Next if you do not make special provision for it. y~ar also more funds should be provided for you will not be able to bring it at per witb them so that they are benefited more and we Mabarasbtra and Tamilnadu even in next may succeed in bringing them above the line three or four plans. I would urge upon of poverty. you tbat tbe institutions like lOBI. IPCI. ICICI, IRBI, NABARD, NCOC etc. sbould be directed tbat tboy should iDv~st maximum Here I would also like to urge that the in Uttar Pradesh. I Can challenge it that Minister of State for Finance should see to keepina in view tbe vastness of tbis Stale the it that provision is made for the bandicapped desired amount bas not been invested in it. persons. widows and hapless elderly persons. I would lite to' submit that very few foreiao The peDaions liven by the State Governments aided projects have been allocated to tbis to thom are very inadequate. This aspeet State duriDI tho last 10 to 15 years. Therefore sbould alto be looked into. I would liko to request tbat many foreilQ ~ " 2i~ (;eMral IJudg,t, MARCH 12. 1986

(Sbri Harish Rawatl rcloiical forces. lilt Budfet. J presume. would also or ought to reflect concerns of aided project s to be set up in Uttar Pradesh the Government and the Party in pO'\\'tr and which are lying pending for sanction should the broad interests of tbe 780 million people. be cleared by the Central Government and majority of whom arc, dCf'J)ite protestations fuods should be provide d for them. to the contrary. and many claims to the countrary and continuous flddlina with I feel personally indebted to the bon. statistics, still steeped in abject povert,. Minister that he bas introduced 'fruit insu­ filth. misery and squaler. rance scheme' this year. 1 would urge that this scheme should be enforced in apple growing areas also. I bave been JoeldoS for a design and purpose in this Budget, may be nostaJaical1y MR. CHAIRMAN You may conclude as in the days of JawaharJal Nehru when he now. summoned us to hard labour, to fulfil our tryst wit" destiny, and a per~pective fonowed SHRI HARISH RAWAT: I will to a limited extent, by Sbrimati Indira conClude in a minute. '} he fruit insurance Gandhi. scheme shou!d. first of an. te implemented in aU the apple growing areas. In conclusion 1 would say that the Plan outlay for the This Budget as well as the various policy bill areas has been reduced this year, which pronOUncements aJ¥i actions of this Govern ... should be increased. With these words I me-Dt during the last one year or tbe last conclude. ] 4 months reveal DO such desi~n and purpose. But there is only, I request to say, s)ogan­ mongering or cliche-mongering, like tbe one on 21 st century. I presume, when you talk of the 2J s1 century, you are not just talking SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN about the inexcrabJc movement of calender (Badagara); Mr. Chairman, Sir. we are or march of events, to which we become almost at the fag-eod of the long debate and helpless spectators. The question is what I shalJ take full cognizance of your concern are tbe perceptible instruments we are forging for time. and what policy framework is being laid down to take India out of the siege tbat it 1n spite of the deliberate attempt made finds itself in, out of the abysmal poverty to downgrade the importance of the annual and misery, enveloping not only an ancient Budget in the name of that newfound gospel civilisation and a moribund and defiant of 'Long· Term Fiscal Polic), ~ and fiddling society but aho a modern nation with around with the levels of administered prices, tremendous resources and possibilities. the Union Budget remains and important Therefore, tbis exercise of budget-making, event and a powerful instrument of fiscal if it is not restricted to a bo" i-keepers policy. exercise, bas to be looked at fr om these broad objectives and concerns and not merely The Budget provides us an opportunity from tbe angle of the interests of 8 small in this House not ooly to take a close look microscopic minority of 3 or 4 million tax at tbe revenue and expenditure of the payers, a few giant monopolies and tax-evading gentries of industry and agricul. Government and 'fi~cal policic-s but also to have a look at our economy, its prospects ture, paraites of all kinds who breed in tbe and the milieu in which it is framed and to context of our own chosen path of develop. ment. which it responds and abov~ aU, the social and economic objectives of tbe Party in power. It also iftcludes if I may say so, an external milieu consistina of factors domi­ Before J go to other details, 1 would like nating the world economy and our own to ask you and tbe House to look at the interactions with the international forces­ external environment and mHUeu of our political, ecoDomic and s~ial-and tecb. developmental prOQCuee. PHALOUNA 21. 1907 (SAKA) 1986-87-0,,,. bls. 222

Durinl the period between 19SO and China outproduced India by five times in 1980. our national output was up by 2.8% 1980 in oil, gas, coal and 3 to S times in and agriculture expanded by two times and cement and steel, fertmsers and cbemicals industrial output 5 times. Per capita income and even bicycles and 1. 1/2 to 3 times in bas rileD by 43% during the last 30 years and electricity, aluminium, cotton, cotton fabrics, population by 90% •. , But the private COD­ cereals and machine tools and they were way sumptioD. it is a very important, indicator behind by 1980 and by 1950 when the great bas risen only by 16% or a measly 0.4% per journey of Chinese revolution began and we year. had passed third anniversary of independence. we were abead in an these commodities. How have we fared among the comity of n.tions during these 30 years?' Ha ve we Therefore, it is important to remember pined a lead over the third world countries, tbat we have an arable land of [50 million particularly the noo"ali,ned countries in acres and we produce 1SO million tonnes of economic field. let us not compare ourselves foodsrains whereas with tbe same arabIc with our own colonial past. We have land, they bave succeeded in producing 300 unfortunately fallen behind the rest of the million tonnes. This is a crucial point. I world in most important economic indicators am not going into the question of life expec­ and criteria of output in agriculture, industry tancy wbich has gone up in China to 64 and forcian trade despite the protestatioDs to years whereas we sti)) remain in 5]. In adult the contrary. Our ibare in world output literacy, it is 66% as against 30%. has fallen from 2% in 1950 to only 1.4% in 1980 and in the share, of the third world Modernisation and efficiency unfortu­ countries from 10% in 1950 to a bare 5.4% nately here for the last one year bas been jn 1980. equated with HberaIisation and not witb out ward tbrust of movements of social forces Despite the green revolution and our which can be forged t which can he used claims on the agricultural front, undoubtedly as instruments, to change the socio-economic we have achiev\.d a great deal in restricted c1imate of tbe country. This is important areas. Our share in agriculture bas fallen because we have continuously to keep up tbe from 11 % in 1960 to 9% in 1980 and among date with 21st century. We have to keep tbe third world countries from 25% 10 17%. up tbis date with 21 st century, wboever may be in power. We cannot do so With tbe existing instruments of policy as bas been In industrial output we have fallen from revealed in this Budget which fights sby of 1.2% to O.S%, from 12% to a mere 3% of the resource mobilisation and wllicb adopts soft third world output. ,options and is bereft of any kind of social ph ilosophYt and bas nothing to offer to In Industry we have b~en advertised or the masses to take tbem powerful instruments projected as occupying the tenth place but, for a social and technological change. according to U.N. statistics. in the world leape of industrial countries. surprisingly we I have no dou ht that modernisation is have gone down to 27th place for 1984. absolutely necessary for our economic pro­ grep and we cannot moderniso without updating our technology. But the point I Not to speak of China but even Mexico want to pose is : caD you do it by abando­ aDd Brazil and small countries like Rumania ning the goals tbat we bad set for ourselves have lone abead of us ! during tbe last tbree decades 1 Bver since be presented his last budget I bavo been OUf sbare bas falleo in foreign trade trying to peep into the mind of the Finance continuouslY. We had in tbe 19th century Minister who is a good friend of mine and 1/10 of sbare of the world trade wbich camo his social pbil,?,oPby, if he has onc. Wbere down by tbe beginning of tbis century to does be and bls mentor, the Prime Minister 7.8%. When we became independent, we stand "I Does he stand by the commitment; still bav~ 2.S% in the world trade which by of tbe Indian National CODStesS from tbe JgeO baa fallon to Jess tban (0.'0) 1/2%. days of .be Swadesbi MOVCJllODt to Katachi 221 Ge"~'QI Buillet, MARCH 12. 1986

(Sbri K.P. Unnikrisbnan] tbe logic of privatisation of economy. Now and Lucknow Congress as before indepen. there are talts even about haodlinl over dence. loals of self-reliance, that is public sector projects like the Hindustan t.ransfanninl the economy to an independent Photo Films to Birlas. I am sure Nr. one, to one of acquiring capabilities of its Prabhu knows about it and he win bave own and raising the standards of living and more to say about'" it. There are many Irowth ·with social justice? The answer is more examples. I know tbe time at my an emphatic ·No'. disposal is very limited. So J am not 80inS into details. Rajivts Government wanted to create Jittle islands of excellence in production I bad an occasion to call -his budget of and techno)oIY. That it would be in indus .. last year as Swatantra-orieoted. In an tries which aro SOCially irrelevant. irrelevant interview with the Buslnes$ SIQnda,d on 30th to our socia) and economic needs and future April. 1985. soon after tbe Budget last year, needs did not matter to him. These very the Finance Minister had said : policies have created a climate of crisis and a crisis of confidence. Confronted with the ·'They (the anti-poverty programmes) political and social realities tbe Finance arc only a salve to the conscience. Minister has struck. a tectieal retreat from They prevant social tensions from the suicidal course be had set for the nation reaching a boiling point. Ultimately, last year. A small tactical retreat ADd the problem of poverty and unemploy­ Mr. Pelkhiwala' for wbom be was 'nices. ment bas to be overcome through good boy' last year has be come a 'dishonest higher growtb rates." sinner'.

But, confronted with the political reality What are the realities? Despite hi, of a deepening discontent and the uproar claims on tbe wholesale price index the among masses over bis own actions, tbe behaviour, prices are rising. The uncovered Finance Minister bas relented and in an deficit for 1985-86 which was claimed to be extra-ordinary attempt at cover up said­ Rs. 3316 crores last year bas turned out to I quote from bit budget speech: be Rs. 4490 crores, a record- breaking and unprecedented increase of 34%. "These (anti-poverty) programmes are at the forefront of our assault on poverty and for many millions they represent tbe 14.00 hrs. difference between the despair of destitution and tbe hope of gainful The 1986-87 deficitis placed at Rs. 36S0 employment. " crotes. If it is judged by the norms of tbe Chakrovorthy Committee's findings which So a'salve to tbe conscience' in 1985 it has they have accepted the deficit be anywhere come to the 'forefront of our assault on around RI. 6000 crores or more. Our trade poverty' in 1986. Whom should I believe? saP is widening and the crisis of balance of VP 8iogb of 1985 or 1986 or is it just a payments is eoauliina us. Tbe remjttances miDdl.s lovernment? How . does be can dwindle. explain these contradictions inberent in tbe 1000c of the policy of this government whicb talks of a directional change? The basic Sir. yet another unique feature of his &l8umptioD behind the changcs in the budget-making exercise is ever-increaainl taxation structure that he introduced last budgetary reliance OD internal market year and which h. bas Dot cbanacd acd borrowi~gs from the banking system or which are reflected in tbe Long Term Fiscal concealed from of deficit fioancina which Policy was that money collected as taxes bas aaain gone up from Rs. 696 crores in from a small microscopic minority of 1974-75 to Rs. 4591 crores in 1984 ... 8, and iDdividuall and corporate entities and put R.s. 5300 crorcs in 1986 .. 87 tinancilll about in tbe coffer! of the excbequer is unproductive 20 per cent of our au.-elate development and if it is passed 00 to private bandl, it can expenditure. Its implication on expaosion turo productive! Simultaneously, step by of money supply are clear enouab. Morc '~Pf be wat pushio8 tbe coontr1 to1farda damaBlD, is its impaQt on interest peymepg 225 PHALGUNA 21, 1907 (SAKA) 1986.B7·-Gell. Dis. 226

which bal swoJlen tbis year to Rs. 87 SO For example, I quote tbe Sanjay .. Dalmia croteS. And tbo excess interest payments Group of Companies which was discussed over interest receipts would be, according to in this House two years back. N ow that my calculatlon-Rs. 3229 crores in 1986-81 gentleman has changed the name of tbe from last years 'R.s. 2600 crores. In one Company from Golden Tobacco into OTCC.­ year alone there is a difference of Rs. 629 Industries and he bas been caught for tbe' creres. default of Rs. S crores or 80.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude. MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude.

SHR} K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Sir, SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I am making some' important and relevant Whereas tbeir Evasion is to the tune of loints. hundreds of crores of rupees. I want to know as to what action you have taken MR. CHAIRMAN : Time is very against sucb evaders. little. You have already taken 1S minutes.

I have given you more time. Sirt the" policies that have been initiated already has fractured our economy. It has SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: pushed our country to a precipice (Jf downhill Therefore, bere again the crux of the problem descent. The national liberation struggle of is of policy direction. You cannOI improve this country under the leaden,bip of the situation by following a policy of M""hatma Gandhi and tbe Iodiao National indiscriminate imports. Herer I must tell Congress was not merely for transfer of power, you what the finance Minister bas done. but for wiping out every tear from every He bas put the very same machine tools, eye for economic fuJfi1ment- not 01 Tatas. whicb are being produced by the Hi.odustan Birlas, Sanjay DaJmias and the tax-evadera Machine Tools in Bangalore and Kalamasscri but for millioos of our famished illiterate in Kerala, under O.O.L. endangering tbeir and unfortunate brethern. We initiated tho futures list. Sir. I am not going into tbe plannin8 process under Pandit Jawahar)al question of imports !)f automobile industries Nebru"s leadership and built up a regulatory and ancillary industries and so on and framework as a conscious effort and forged ultimately to abandon the nationally accepted instruments for achieving our goals. Tbese loa15 and perspectives. He has taken ca'edit instruments are sought to be blunted. tbe for revenue realisation. May be he bas framework dismantled and destroyed. A taken credit aJso for the Suprerre Court process of subversir-n of our national goals Judlcment which has belped bim duriol tbe has been initiated, and llnless there is a course of last year. return to commitments there is no possibility that tbis Budget or any other Budget can save us. Before I conclude. I want. to make one or two points. We have had much talk of tbe recent raids. I am not saying tbat for SHkl R. PRABHU (Nilgiris): Sir. I the moment aoy tax-evader or habitual tax­ ris~ to. SUPPOrt the budget proposals as presented to this august House by our hOD. offoodor sholiid b.= shown any mercy. But ,ou cannot gain revenue only by policing Finance Minister, Shri Vi~hwanath Pratap • Singh. tbe economy. 10 answer to a question in this House last year, t,hey said that income tax demands enforceables from some 20 The Finance Minister's role in this monopoly bouses by way of income tax was country is no bed of roses. He has to find R.s. 1274.64 erORS. In tbis connection' I the necessary resources for the maintenance want to know as to bow much the Finance expenditure and tbe developmental Minister bas bOCD able to collect duriDS tbe expenditure under the overall framework of last one year wbile he bas been in office. tbe Five .. Year Plao. At the same time be Tben )'ou W ill know the real story. There bas to ensure the long.. term stability of oln is ala in the story of mauive excise evation economy. He bas a110 to ensure tbat tbe to tbe tune of hundreds or crom of rupees,,· ,at, of ,rowtb in tbe national iDCOsnt m 227 General 8u dget , MAllCH 12, 1986 1986.87-G.,,_ D16. 2. , [Shri R. Prabhul J ddress has ~ai(. that .t~ is (C r. n i1t'(~ to various sectors l;ke Agriculture and Industry see that these programmes are more is kept at pre·determind levels and at the effectively iDlpltmenttd . be bas said that be same time see that there is no undue has directed that there should . be a random inflation in the economy. To acbieve all monitoring, random sampling, at tbe \liJleae these conflicting aims is no rotan task and level and the Block level aod effective I should hcarti1y congratulate the hon. changes and rt"medial measures &houJd be Finance Minisfer for having done job neatly. made in inpleneotation wherever tbey are I cannot conct: ive of any other Budget which required. bas helped so many sections of the society. Every sect ion, big or small. the t ich man or I have been sitting in the House for the tbe poor man, the - employed or the hast two or threp. days waiting for my chance unemployed. the man living below the poverty to speak and I' have been hearing complaints line or'the man 1iving above the poverty from aJl sections of the House that these line, has benefited in some way or the other ~ro8rammrs were not properly implemented from this Budget. ID the Members' constituencies. Now let me make my submissIon: when 1 go round The greate,t measure in this Budget is m} constituency, I also find, sometimes, the quantum jump in the allocations to these measures do not really reach the anti-poverty programmes, Just now my people. I see a newspaper report the other friend, Mr. Unnikrishnan, quoted some day that the C ommitte~ \\ hich bad been statement from the Busi.-:ess 8ra"dflrd or constituted some time a~'o headed by Mr. whichever paper it was. I think, he bas G. V, K Rao had given their report recenU, taken something out of context. We have to tbe Gov..:rnment. I request tbe Finance a substantia1 jump in the allocations to anti­ Minister to p:ease examine th!s report aDd povert, programmes. I have the figureshere, see wllat can be done to ensure that t~ programmes reaUy ) ield results and but I do not tbink I have the time to quote teacb the. people. However. I have a few tbe figures. The 20-point Programme, the suggestions to particularly regards various rural employment programmes like make a~ the cspecjali), the National Rural Employment Prngramme, rural employment programme.. the N!'llional Rural Employment rr~ramme the Rural Landless Employment Guarantee PI0gramme, the Sdf-Employment Programme and the Rural Landless EmpJoyment for th:;; EJucated Unemployed, are all aifts Gus,' a.ate~ Programme. Both these Pro2fammes are InJect'og about a thousand crares into to the nation given by our late Prj ,-· Minister, beloved Shrimati Indira Gau':oi. OLlr economy. They are more as an out~ut rather thaD an input to the mas.... These pr0gr ammes and their implementation are the best systems - approach to the A~ at stands today, we have statistics .hat they will erad ication of poverty ever conceived by this year generate about three hut:;ldred mIllion man days of employment any d~~nlocratic society. They provide inputs by way of primary healtb, education, as far as the national rural employment programmes is concerned and abou. 2"4 rura 1 infra~tructure. building (jf roads, rural electrification, sanitation, etc., to the rural million man da,s as far the rU1'al land I;'s masses. This is slowlY transforming the employment guarantee programme is rural scene in our country, and this massive conncerned. There should be a linnle and this masl:ive investment in primary between the money spent and the employ­ ment geoerattd and pby~ical asse1s created. human resources development programm~ is going to benefit the generations to. come. Our Prime Minister bas also reaffirmed his We all understand that at every vilhlge commitm!nt to th'!re anti-poverty pro­ level or block level there is requirement fOr grammes by substantial allocations to these empl~yment to be given and also a programmes in the Budget. reqUirement for small scho\"1 buildinas. road, etc. to be built. There should be a to~ttI integration he tween the rutal employ­ 1 would also like to remind tbe House m nt, programmes and the Hl.DP programme, that the Prime Minister on the floor of this I thank the p'anning process has'() h e H OUSt!, wt Be replying to the debato on the c h anged a ntle and this shou:d be taken Motiou 0 f Thanks to th e Pre8ldeM for his lato a~,')uJlt." PHALOUNA ~l. 190'7 (SAgA) 1986-b'7-Gen. Dis. 230

Statistics sh(,uld necessarily cerne as so SHRl S. JAIPAL REDDY: This nlBl1y million" n18n da~s of employrr,ent involves 'two principles - \\ betber it is public generatt'd and t:,o many phY5licnl assets sector or private sector. created because (Of th is employment. This wou!d be a flelf -check 0[1 the expenditure (lnterrupi IQt's) on the se progr ammes. MR. DEPUTY .. SPEAKER: Let the M('mber continue his srecch. Please take 14.12 brs. your seats. (Interruption:J) You put your questions by writting to the Minister. lMR. Dl:PUl Y SPEKRER in Ihe cha;,] (Interruptions) Don't distulh the Member. Our Finance Minister has said in his (1 n,errupi ;0"') budget sp~ feh that one of his PJ iorities is the strengthing of the public sector. Our SHRI R. PRABHU: I den', know Prim~ J\1ini!\ter also has J'c·enforccd his whether what they are saving is right There commitment in various fOJ ums to the pubtic is definitely some delay in the implementation s,-'ctor. of this project. (}fJl .. lruptio/;) 1 would request the Hon. Finance Minister to see 1 his is proved in the case of one pub1ic that this project is not de'uyed because as sector of cxc:.;llel,ce in 01)' constituency, the you know X- Ray film is required in the Hmdustan Photo f.ln)s Limited about which hospitals of this country. If there is dtlay, Shri Unnikrishnan also said. The HindustC-!n there will be cost escalation and our bospi .. Photo Films had entered into a collaboration tals will have to subsidise f{ r all the delays agret."ment with Dupert, USA, for the and incon} petencc. It would also probably sU!-JI\tant;al expansion of X-Ray project at affect our Pdrne Minister"s ambitious pro­ Ooty. Ihe Prime Minister has cleared this gramme of "Health fer all by 2000 I'D." project in the public ~(.ctor and has aJlowed it to be put up at Ooty at an expenditure of 1here delays are not only confined to Rs. 170 crorcs. Even though there have the Hindustan Photo Filnls Ltd., or my been a few priva ~e parties like Shri constituency. this se~ms to be the nlain Unnikri.shn:ln ~ ays, who have bCt'n trying to bottleneck in all our public sector un.Jerta .. get this project. I understand that they kings. There are delays in th\.' lIllp'ementa­ are dela)'ing the implementation of tbis tion like we heard in the Question Hour pr0jt'ct. today. I request the Hon. Finance Mini!ller to see that these delays are not allowed. SHRI S. JA1PAL REDDY: I would like to know which are the private We have a massive investn:ent Qf Rs. companies. 180.000 crores in thl! 7th PhHl. If thcle is 10% at return on this investment~ then whatever inflation we have will Dot be a strain on the economy. SHRf P. KOLANDAIVELU : Why the Minister is delaying the project? Sir, I would request the Finance Minister to see that there is at least 10 per cent SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: We under­ capital output ratio on any Plan investment stand tbat Birlas and others aro interested in that takes place. I an) bappy tr.a t the this. Finance Minister bas given relief to small scale s!ctor but, Sir, the snlall scaJe sector in the fea indastry is left out. Th ere are StiR( N. V. N. SOM U: 1t is very 10,000 small tea growers in my constituency important for Tamil Nad u Sir, it should be in NiJairies. They cultivate half aCI e to Tami't Nadu. ten acres of land. I would reque~t tbe hon. Minister to identify the small sea Ie sector in SHR.1 P. KOLANOAIVELU : Why the tea industry and give reli:f :c tu ms of should tbere be a Minister 001, for UP in concessionaf excise duty and cCDccssional C be Contral Cabiaot ? credit fCQDl die baDkiol s),ltom. . i986-87-Geh. Du. 232

IShri R. Prabhu] ensures. a capital output ratio of 10 per cent 00 our PJan investment either in financial Another one of tbe foremost benefit which bas been given to the people of this terms or social terms this money win be well spent and there be a long-term stability country is the increase in the interest rates will of provident fund from 10.5 per cent to 12 of our economy. per cent. This will benefit nearly 30 million emploYl!es who are employed in tbe ] Tran.datlollJ public sector and the private sector. I hope this induces the employees to save more in SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Hindu'tan their provident fund. The Finance Minister Photo Film should not be the mODopoly or had introduced various progressive taxation Tamil Nadu onJy. They should set up measures last year in the Budget. I do not their units in other States also. This is have time to go into all tbose but as far as what I wanted to submit to the Finance direct taxes are concerned as an inducement Minister. to savings he had increased the standard deduction of salary earners from 2S per cent [English] to 30 per cent and at ,0 increasing the ceiling from 6000 to 10000. By this he has becomes. SHRI R. PRABHU: From what be very popular with the house wives. But his says it seems there is a propasl to shift. popularity with the bouse wives bas been off set in his proposal for gift tax. Even tbough be has raised the threshold of applicability [ Translation] from 5000 to 2(;000 yet he has removed the exemption granted when you gift something SHRI HARISH RAWAT : It should not to your wife or spouse. I request the be the monopoly of one state only. Hindus­ Finance Minister to re-consider this and see tan Photo Film should set up the Units in that this exemption is not removed so tbat other states too. he is always popular with the house wivei.

Sir, I do not have the time to go into SHRI N. V. N. SOMU: Let Mr. the various other tax mea~ures but I would like to compliment the Finance Minister in Tiwari be the Minister for Industry for tbe whole of India aod not for U.P. alone. reformi~g indirect taxes especially introduc­ tion of MODVAT. There has been lot of criticism in the newspapers and in tbe SHRIMATI MEIRA KUMAR (Bijnor) : ~, House about MODVAT but I would )ike to Sir. I am very grateful to you for giving me tell you that this is a very progressive an opportunity to speak on the Budaet. It measure and it puts a premium on using js indeed heartening for me that my maiden ndigenous raw-material because imports do speech in this august House happens to be not have this exemption which is envisaged on an extreme]y crucial subject. in the MODVAT. Tie only thing is that it would take time for the Excise Department and Industry to undelstand the various A.t tbe very outset 1 would like to CODI­ procedures in the MODVAT. So, I would ratulate the Finance Mlnister for presentina request the hon. Minister to consider putting such a futuristic budget to the nation standiD. data processing equipment invarious Collee­ on tbe threshold of the 21 st century. torates to see that MODVAT is successfully implemented When I talk of the twenty-flrst century, I do not mean twenty-first century in terma In conclusion I would like to heartily of calander, but twenty-first cen"tury in terma congratulate the Finance Minister for presen­ of progress, development and growtb. I am ting a well-balanced budget with additional Dot talkins of miracles or masic wanda, Dor ·taxes of only Rs. 445 crores and a deficit of am I talking of utopia or dreams eome true: only Rs. 3650 crores. This is by no means I am taJkinl of hard realities and in tbe an unmanaga"'le deficit and I would like to context of tbese bard realities, under tho ,tress alain that if the Finance Mioister liven constraints of our OOODOID)', 1 repeat. - it is a futuristic budget; it is a l1'0wth­ By no stretch of imagination, a budaet oriented budget; it is a forward-looking having sucb items can be caUed pro-rich and budget; it is a vcry pragmatic budaet, which anti-poor. It makes so many provisi(jns f.>t would take the economy ahead and definitely tbe common m an. Necessities of life like it is a step forward in realization of a kerosene and w('od·sto\'cs. crdinafY (00: wear dream. life saving" drugs, etc. will be free from the excise burden. Subsidies on important items Sir, as you are aware, our budget cannot of common consumption like rice, wheat, just be an exercise in book keeping: it kero~ene, ordinary handloc D1 and mill-made must· essentially have the social philosophy cloth will continue. There would be income enshrined in the Directive Principles of (ax concession on medica' expenses of salary State Policy of our Constitution. Under the earners and self-employed persons. There Constitution our Government has the respon­ would be a new mutual fund set up for the sibility of creating an egalitarian social order sm, II investors. ' aDd as such the budget must, and this budget does, reflect not on Iy the Government's Farmers have not been lost sight of. Rs. CODcern for the millions Hving below the J 950 cror.es have been provi ~ed for subsi~y . poverty line, but also its sincere efforts to on fertilizer. Comprehensive Crop Insurance improve their condition. Rapid growth of Scheme bas been extended to fruit culti­ the economy coupted with deep concern for vation. Excise concession has been given to the havenots is ,he quintessenc~ of this oi Is from oilseed, rice bran, cottonseed. budget. The people have recognised this mahuwQ, etc. Cess/on cotton, copra and and have welcomed it. vegetable oils has been abolisbed aDd unmanufactured tobacco has been exempted from export duty. Most si~nificant is the The most laudable feature of the budget is introduction of the new Long Term Agricul­ the quantum jump in allocation of tbe anti­ tura 1 Price Policy which wiJ1 help the farmer poverty programmes. The anti-poverty pro­ in deciding the cropping pattern and which grammes like IRDP, NREP, RLEGP have got wou1d lead to a more balanced growth of tbe highest ever allocation of Rs. 1450 crores tbe agricultural sector. 22 per cent of tho in any single year which is 65 per cent higher Annual Plan Outlay of the Centre, States than what was proposed in the 7th Plan for and Union Territories is for agriculture, tbe year 1986 .. 87. Three new schemes for rural development, irrigation and flood the poor have been launched-Indira Gandhi control. Grib Nirman Yojana for the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes and freed bonded labour with an increased outlay of Rs. J 25 All these measures plus stren~theniDg of crores as against Rs. IOU crores earlier; the public sector, small scale industries sector Subsidised Bank Loan scheme for !'elf­ small scal~ industries sector ar.d emphasis OD employed urban poor, like cartpuller, cobbler, self-reJiance benefit the common man. barber. hawker etc.; and an Accident Relief bas been given to lower level income Insurance Scheme for municipal sweepers tax payer an d duty on luxury goods has been and railway portels. Also, thtre is a scheme raised, thus throwing the burden OD the for distribution of foodgrains at concessional affluent sections. Drive against tax evasion rates to the people under ITDP. The too is aimed at collecting from the rich to existing schemes like personal accident insu­ provide f.:>r the poor. The main thrust of rance scheme for poor families; nutrition the budget. without an iota of doubt, is proaramme for youns children, expectant alleviation of poverty and relief to commol'l and nUfsina mothers; I. and seJf-employmeDt maD. scheme for educated unemployed youth have been augmented. As for its beina growth oriented. tbe Long Term Fiscal Policy, LODS Term Aari, In addition to these wide ranging. relief cultural Price Policy, introduction 0 to the poor and the common maD, 20- Point MODVAT. intensive tax refom-s, streng Programme has been provided B.s. 1000 '-IDa of domestic industry~ hoostin. 0 Qrorel more tban last year. _porte 11'0 some of tlte m·a~u·ol wbieJ MARCH 12. H>86 1986-87-G~II. bu. 23~

ISh, imati Meira Kumar] but in actual terms it gcts a muth smaller shnrc of Rs .. 352 crores as compared to would nccelerate the growth of the economy aa. for and are bound to take it forward at a con­ ;Z650 crores Railways. Rs. 2575 crore. for poweor, and Rs. 2832 for Rural Development, siderably fast pac!. etc. Sir, this amount of Its. 352 crores is not adequate for tackling a problem of tbis 10 the cnd. I would like to make a few serious a nature and magnitude. The amount suggestions for the consideration of the should be rai!'ed and 1 he number of model Finance Minister. My first point is about school \\rh:ch have heen cnvis

My next point is about education. I also thank you. Sir, for your indul .. Ignorance is a cancer which is eatioK into the genee .. very vitals of our society. laDora nce or uncultivated mind. I think is worse cu;se SHRJ P. R. KUMARAMANGALAM tbam poverty and must be foU&bt at war (Salem): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir" may I (ootina. I find tbat in the Platl outlay. t.here at the outset state tbat tbis Budget is delRi· .. an increase ,?f 59 per ~ for edutatiGD tely a Budaet. tha~ . ba. tekeD ioto 237 'GellerollJu.". PHALGtJNA 21, 1907 (.SAKA) 1986.87-0.". DII. 238

~ideration to a larae e"tent the feclinp of But I think Jast year's performance of tho underdols Bnn the dO\\'n-lrodden and this Government bas very categorically shown even the wo~kiDar.1ass. Last year, famour that no one is above the rule of law. 1f you Jacome-Tax Practitioner, I weI) known to be violate the Jaw, if YOU indulge in malpractices. very soft on private indusiry and called an if you are part of the black money system, cuainCD1. jurist, Sbri Nani Palkiwala bad You will have to face the long arm of the welcomed the Budget from the r)(lf~tops law, which is hard and you shan not be ...riOI tbat it is one of the Budgets that were allowed to get away with it, whatever be your there. He went on record to say that he connectipns. whatever be your influence. bad many criteria on the basis of wllicb be That stand has not changed. In fact. now had analyzed tbe budgets, ano said that Jast it looks like the elite has suddenly ~1ieved year·, budget was very very good ; and, that this Oovernment means business. And. therefore. the Opposition.' tongue-in cheek therefore, they are very very upset by that came forward to say' that last yea r's budget portion of the speech which is almost similar was nearly this. to what it was last year, on the drive against tax avaslon: the steps to be taken, the formation of procedl'res, the ensuring that However, the very same Naoi PaJkhivala. no business house however big or small. no wbile talking on this year's budJet. has said individual however big or smaH, if he violates suddenly that th! budget is unconstitutional. the Jaw and ind~lges in black money practice, io the sen~e that the new tax provisions he is going to face it and face it very badly. wbich have been brought in and enforced to curb black money, are uncon~titutlonal, and The fact is that in addition to the said that th:! Stale was becomlOg a Police massive 65% Plan outlay for anti-poverty State. as the State had ruthlessly conducted programmes, this Budget has also Jooked to raids again~t big bU'iiness hOllses LJr Excise the interests of the farmers, as many earlier Violations etc. speakers bad said. More than that, it has kept in mind national interests, and has modI! it by means of motivation, by means He does not talk about the Budget of incentives: the demand for oil from rice seriously. I think he did not believe what bran, oilcalces, cotton seed etc. will go up. the Finance Minister la~t time said 0.0 tbe In fact, the poor farmer who pr('duces this floor of the House when he presented hi, product is foing to be benefitted in a major budget, that the Government was going to, way, becau~e or this incentives that h9ve in a very clear manner, scrupulously and been given to vegetable oil industry, in the rutblessly, curb hlacl( money and bring to form of excise duty reduction when they use book the evaders. these as raw materials.

1 wish to submit that ,here is rea))>, no Sir, as you know I have always been major difforence bet we-en last year?s budget flighting for the working class. and this year's budtet. c1t.cept that tbe Finance Minister gave a longer speech, clari· For the first time,) think, J can go on fyibl each po nt in detail and bringing out record and say tbat so far as the salaried that this year we have in fact allocated more class is concerned, the Finance Minister has money than the 7th Plan souaht for. for the come forward aDd has given somethiDI to pOor and for anti-poverty pr'¥l'.ammcs. them 8S a class, has given them 12 per cent interest on their provident fund which they never saw, bas given them a bigher standard I am not surprised at tbe disillusionment ded uction in the salary income, but, more of tbe elite. Originally, they thoucht that than anything, his removal of ceiling on Rs. when conce.ions were liven to t bem. t h~y 400 cn bouse rent allowance for exemption wou1d Meke U\C of the concessions and make from income tax is one of the larsest benefit. they white the Sun shone, with no . responsi­ tbat tbe working class. and the saJariOd bility whatsoever to the nation or oatiooal employees have: receivtd. because witb interest.. They thoulht the), could evade housinl 80 :n8 u·p day by day and tbe bouse all Jaws ,ad cotati.. in that ·a~tJaJ». r~t "lJowance ltavin, osf11raJJ, to eo Uj:) MARCH 12. 1~86

[Sbri P.R.. Kumaramangatam1 Unfortunately, a time has come when 1 day by day. it is totaUy unfair to call it as think this government wilJ and should face an income because it is ooly a normal up and teU the bureaucracy, either you facility tbat is being compensated. move io tune with the common man or otherwise there win be no place for you. The government expects to collect Rs. 37,000 crores from the public sector surplus More tban anything, I would like to go for the Seventh Five Year Plan. Do they on record to say tbat the budget is a think that they caD do it with tbe wonderful budget, but, however. its imple­ bureaucracy sitting in the way having mentation is a matter of question which we scuttled their every project when the invest­ bave to consider seriously. The reason n ent was rrquired at a particular time for why I am say it is because I am not the only tbe growth of the budget 1- Did they Dot speaker, let a10ne from this side of tbe delay the investment ; coming in the way ? House, but there are other speakers from Did they also not put their foot forward hav~ otber side of the House, who said and say, no, this has to go to SA investment cate~oricany that anti-poverty Programmes committee and then to a committre of are good programmes. But the question is: Ministers and then to the Cabinet? For a Is tbe money reaching the common man : if smaJ1 amount of money many public sector it is not reaching the common man, why undertakings' projects are delayed. I wou1d not? It is not only the question of the· like to go on record and request the Finance Minister showing sympatb and understanding Minister to possibly tell the Prime Ministers to the problems of the working class and and othC'r Minister in the Cabinet that if they understanding the problems of the poor, t-l!t. real!y want to have this Rs. 37 000 crores for unfortunately, the bureaucracy, in fact, used tbe Seventh Five Year Plap, the only way they every weapon that they had in their hand to can get is that they should take the working scuttle tbe policy and throw irritants of class into confidence and not bureaocrates. various types in the way of workers, the down -trodden and the poor ; it is tbe bureaucracy. if ] may humbly submit, that The budget is a very good budget but has become a bane of national economy. its implementation is a matter of detail but They Dot only draw heavily on our exchequer, very important because tbe nation depends not only in the form of salary, but in the on it. form of perquisites which they get both legally and illegally; they, on top of it, do everything to make themselves important by We are going through an economic standing in the way of implementation of crisis and in any humble opinion, thougb ~ny major programmes. the Opposition may not admit it--or would admit it when they like to admit it - -we are passing through an economic criSIS. We are going through ao economic I would like to give a few examples. crisis, and it is time we 80t rid of the red The Finance Minister announced interim tape, we got rid of the people coming in relief for Central Government Employees, our way and we got rid of tbe people .. Dot once but twice. Then the public sector obstructing US, but respect the working asked for it saying tbat tbey were also in classes wbo are really the people who are the same will of pay. When the Pay giving their ,,,,at and blood for tbe lood CommiSSion Report comes, we will also get of the country. revision, .but public enterprises consisting of senior bureaucrats said. nothing doing; we will Dot give interim relief. But the I cODlratulate the bon. Finance Minister Supreme Court had to intervene and then for this Budget and I hope and 1 am sure, it was given to them. Is it not an in fact, tbat if be aDd bis Cabinet colleaauel unfortunate situation? Similarly. the eome forward and put tbeir best foot forward. organisations wbicb are undertakings, which then we will be able to take this country may not be caUed public sector, also face forward. competiol with aDd make it as' woll the tame state of aWairs. as tb~ nations wllicb have developed.. 241 6 .....' BwII«. PHAL6UNA 21. 1907 (SAXd) 1986-87-0.". D16. 242

Still tbero are one or two points which out of it. There are various proarammea J want to deal witb, before I conclud~. One like NREP. RLGP etc. It is becoming more is tbe report of the Pay Commission bas not and more difficult to implement these pro­ a>me out. Thouah the Finance Minister grammes in rural areas. The programmes bad assured that the Government would which were undertaken during 1984-85 aneS implemcot tbe report from tbe 31st March. 1985·86 one have Dot shown any improve­ still we have not yet even seen tbe report. ment. These programmes continue to I would request tbe bon. Minister to do his remain on paper only. Implementation of best to see that the report is released tbese proarammes is tardy. Now. the immediately. Government have allocated more money for tbe social welfare. I suggcst tbat tbe Secondly the increase in the DTC farcs Government Constitute Committees bas affected the Centra) Government comprising both officials and non-officials to employees and the private bus operators oversee tbat tbe amount is properly spent have also biked their bus fares. The on programmes that are going to be imple­ Central Government employees and also tbe mented this year. I hope the HOD·ble private employees also have been affected by Minister would agree to this suggestion. tbis. J would request tbe hone Minister to consider a 8usgestioD that the Central Indira Gandhi Grib Nirman YojDa, a Government employees may be given some proaramme to construct houses for the poor concession in this. because they cannot 8n~ other weaker sections of the society" afford this load of sudden price hike. gOIDg to be taken up tbis year. This is not a new prosramme. During the tenure of MR. DEPUTY ·SPEAKER Shri the former Prime Minister Shrimati Indira A.l.V.B. Mabeswara Rao. Gandhi, one such programme to build tbe houses for poor was taken up. With an amount ranging from Rs. 500 to Rs. 4000 [ Tranl/allo,,) per bOuse was spent and houses were constructed. But the houses were not strona .SURI A.J.V.B. MAHESWARA RAO enough and maDY bouses were was bed awa, (AmaJapuram): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. during rains. This should serve as a losson. tbe budget for tbe year 1986· 87 is once again The Houses that you arc loing to build must a deficit budget. The anticipated deficit is be stroDI and durabJe. This programme Rs. 3650 crores. Many tbings have been should have to be implemented witb said about the various programmes tbat are sincerety. Sir, in my state of Andbra loina to be taken up during the year for Pradesh. UDder the stewardship of our • the betterment of tbe common people, beloved Chief Minister Shrj N.T. Rama Rao especially tbe downtrodden. It is only an ?ne such programme is already belDI attempt to bood-wink tbe people and there is Implemented DOW. Strong and pennanenl really Dotbinl in this budget for tbe common­ houses are being constructed with the invest­ people. Tbe grants and alloca tion may ment of Rs. 9000 per house. It bas proved appear to be large, but much of this amount to be success. It is better. if tbe in fact. d('e5 Dot reach. the people. The a areat Central Government emulates that example benefits donot really percolate down to the while constructing bouse for the poor UDder poor. I am afraid that tbe amount Indira Gandhi Avas Yojna Programme. allocated under various programmes for this year also may Dot 80 to tbe people for whom it is meant. Sir, tbe floods are a rocurring phenomenon. Durin& the time of floods, the bunds breach This year tbe amount allocated for and get damaged. The construction of bUDd. various social welfare measures is more. takes place after tbe floods recede. The AllocatiDI more money is not sufficient. Lanka Islands in my area usually are being It must be seen to it that tbe amount is pro­ affected by floods. Many irregularities tate perly spent aDd tbe people derive benefit place dllring tbe CODstruction work. Money ment for tbe construction is pocketed by tbe *The Speech was Ori,ioall), delivered in Telu8u• 243 General BII.', MARCH 12, 1986 1986-87-0.". 1>1,. 244

[Shri A.J, V .B. Maheswara Rao] vehicles 00 8as. The Government should make an attempt to popuJarise that metbod. officials and the bunds thus constructed will It will be more useful for the common man be very weak and tbus will not be capable if tbe motorvebicles are run with LPG. of withstanding tbe flood. It is only tbe Even if tbe prices of petro) and diesel 80 up poor who will suffer again. Hence steps it will not affect the common man much. • should be taken to see that the amount spent on flood control work is spen t properly. Flood relief programmes have to be imple­ Primary Health Centre~ and otber small mented with sincerity if the people are to be Hospitals in our rural areas are not function­ rea11y benefitted by it. Otherwise tbe amount ing well at present. Doctors refuse to wort will go waste and people will continue to in tbe rural areas. As a result, tbe rural sutTer. Sir, in this connectioll, I want to people are denied of medica) faciJities. say that justice has not been done while Hence more grants should be allocated for granting money under flood relief programmes Healtb Department so that more benefits are to my State. Also the floods was away tbe given to tbe doctors etc. That. way the standing crops mostly of the poor people Government can induce the doctors to work and hence the amount extended to tbem has in rural areas. to be increased. Sir. the Hill area Development pro­ Sir, in last year's budget the price of grammes are bdng implemented in var;ous pan masala was raised but subsequently areas But it is unfortunate that the Hill withdrawn on popular demand. Now, tbe Area development corpot a tion has not Government proposes to increase the price identified any area in my State as an Hill of snuff which is mosdy used by tbe common area. NeaT)Y 30% of the population mostly people. It is not proper and I request the SC~ and, STs live in and around the Hiny Hon'ble Minister not to tax the snuff and regions In our State. Yet no attempt was thus avoid the increase in tbe price of snuff. made to identity these areas 8S HjJJy areas. ~ req~est the. (,overnment to identify Immediately various hilly areas located in S'r, Banks allow a loan up to Rs. 2500/­ my State end extend all the pro~rammes without any security. This is ('ne of their meant for tbeir development. programmes to help the poor especially in the rural areas. But Sir. this programme is My Constituency is almost an island. It not being implemented properly. The bas no access to other parts. as it is totally rural poor find it extremely difficult to get cut off from the land routes. So it is the loans from' the banks. 1n many necessary to construct bridges across river • instances the poor were not an owed to enter Godavari at Kotip,IHi and Kakinada. If the bank promises The Hon'ble Minister tbese bridges are constructed the farmers in should see tbat tile poor docs not face any this area will get access to markets in difficulty in getting loans. Similarly under Vijayawada and Kakinada where they CMl another programme, the Govt. sanctions find a market to their produce. The people loan upto Rs. 25000 for the unemployed will get much needed transport facilities. youth. This programme is also not being Sol request ,the Han. Minister to talce up implemented properly. Sir, in my the CODstructlon of these bridges at J08&' constituency there are many cases where the during the Seventh Plan. youth who were denied the loan even after getting sanction letters. These unemployed My constitoency is a thickly populated were neither given money nor material to area and consists of I 0 lakb people. But stand on "their own legs. I request the hon. they have no T.V. facility. 80% of tbis Minister to look into this matter and see population are farmers. Tbe number of that at least those who produce sanction students is also very hiah. So a T.V. relay letters gets the loan without any delay. centre 3~ould be located in my coOStituCDoJ"' ~ to provide T. V. faci1 ity . I hope stcPt The Government increased the prices of would be taken to Joca te T.V. relay ceDtH Petrol and diesel. Sir, in Madras. Pal1avan in my evnstitucncy soon. It will provo lr~nsport made ~n Jlttempt to fUfl tile boneficial both to farmers and etudeDts. l'lIALOUNA 21, )~, (SJiXA) 1986.87.. -Gen. })iJ'. 246

AmalapuraD1 has DO S.T.D. facility at ,continue. Experts have to be aopointed by present. Since we have DO easy access to the Government to fix tbe prices of agricul. other towns nearby, it is very much tural produce weU in advance so that the necessary for the r cople in tbis tOWD to have farmers caD get good return. Then only the S.T.D facility. I request tbe HOD. Minister farmer's financial position can improve. I to provide ST. D. facility to Amalapuram am bappy that sufficient encouragement has as early as possible. been given in this budget for the develop­ ment of small scale industries. Sir, thanking you for giving me this C)pportunity, I conclude my speech. More fuods have to be allocated for the rural development programmes. I urge .SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO (Cbikballa­ upon tbe Finance Minister to provide job to pur): Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, tbe budget at least one person in eacb family in the for tbe year )986-87 is tbe budget of the ruraJ areas. poor people of this country. The Mair objective of this budget is to ameliorate the The fear of population explosion is there conditions of the poor masses and to belp throughout the country. Our country has tbe middle class people. 1 am very happy the second bi~est population in the world. to commend tbis budget and I wbolebonstedJy All the plJDS would go waste jf tbe popula­ welcome it. tion countillues to increase. It is like pouring milk on the ant hiBs. The This )e:u more money bas been alloc~ted Government should make it compulsory for than lb! previous year for tbe upJiftment of all couples to bave only two children. tbe people who are below the poverty line. This measure is welcome and 1 congratulate The interest rate on GPF has been raised the hone Fialaoce Minister for this. to 12%. I want that tbe interest rate on savings bank account should be raised from Various progranlmcs like IRDP. RLEGP. 5% to 8%. The interest of ~% per annum NREP have to be provided more money and on one year fixed deposit should be raised they should be implemented very strictly. to 10%. The standard deduction for income tax purposes has been raised from Rs. 6000 to Rs. 10,000. But tbis bas not benefited Indira Gandhi Avas Yojana has come as tbe salaried class because of steep rise in the a been to the down trodden for providing price of essential comn1odities. I therefore them houses. I anl glad that our Govern­ , suuest tbat the minimum exemption limit ment is going ahead with tbe process of should be raised from Rs. 18,000 to Its. rooting out poverty from this country. Our 25,000. hone State Finance Minister Shri Janardhana Poojary bas toured throughout tbe country and held nlore than 5000 loan melas to Karnataka is suffering from unprecedented distribute money to the poore~t peop1e. 1 drougbt constinuously for the past 4 years. am grateful to bim' and) command his The news lioe, TV report quoted the Chief services. Minister of Karnataka saying that the fodder for catt1e is being procured from Punjab Agriculture must be given more impor­ Haryana and UP. The drought relief tancc as is given to industries. Here I assistance should also be treated as grant would like to cite an example of USA. and not as advance plan assistance. For There tbe prices are fixed in advance every Boods you give adhoc grant. Rural areas year befure the agriculturists go ahead with of my State are faCing the problem of the cuhivation of creps. But here in our drinkin. water. As the State is in tbe jaws eoually at tbe time of harvest the prices of severe drought there is DO water even tb of agr4cultural produce 80 down very much. bath durina our important festivals like Tbis system should not be allowed to Uaadi. 10 Bagepalli in my constituency more tbaD ODe third of the population have *The speech was originally delivered in miarated to different places. Tbese ale OD Ij &aDa ••• tIIIPtJ bouca. Sir. if lOU GaD kiDdJ)' (;om; MARCH 12. 19*6 1986-87-Gea. bis. 248

{Sbri V. Krishna Rao] have been provided for tbe poverty allevia­ with me I can show you the pathetic condi­ ting programme. It is a very commendablo tion tbat is prevailing in my constituency. step. I would go so far in saying that it is After one mODth I am afraid tbat people quite a bold step. So far no Finance in my constituency may not gct even a cup Minister bas made so much provision for of water to drink. the poor people of the country as has been provided this year. In comparisoD to the last year, allocation of 65 percent more Every year we come here with fresh funds for the poverty alleviating programme demands for drought relief programmes. is a re cord in itself. Hence I request the bon Minister to take tbis problem seriouslY and to come forward with permanent solution. The projects like Upper Bhadra, Upper Tunga, Avinasbni Sir. whatever money is provided for tbe poverty removal, it will be meaningful only have to be completed very SOOD. These projects can supply water for irrig1.tion to when it is spent properly on those progra­ about 15 to 20 lakhs of acres. This would mmes. I am no\. the first person to say this. A large number of Members of tbis cnable one crore and 31 lakhs of people to earn 'heir bread aod this credit would go to House have been complaining tbat the our bon. Government. Therefore, 1 bumbly programmes relating to abolition of poverty request our Finance Minister to allocate are not being properly implemented and SO more funds for irrigation purposes. percent of tbe money provided for these programmes by the Government is not properly spent on them. Even SO percent R.egarding education I do not want to go of tbe amount does not reach tbe eJilible into details. Our Government has already persons. Our Finance Minister is worried taken steps to rcfrom and to improve the to mobilise resources. Perhaps tbis is the educational system in our coun try. I reason that he has increased the prices of welcome the new education policy tbat bas tbe petroleum products even at the cost of been introduced by our Government. becoming unpopular. Thereby the adminis­ tered prices of these products have been Tbis budget has been hailed by tbe press increased. Because of this concern, be bas and by tbe people all over tbe country. I am taken this step. But I can say tbat if the sure that this budget would succeed in its poverty alleviating programmes are properly objective of removing poverty from country. implemented, he need not have any worry I congratulate our bon. Finance Minister for then. The results which we are seeing today bringing such a well balanced budget. Once can be doubled in tbat situation. Therefore, again I welcome it. the utility and positiveness of the resources made available for the poverty alleviatioD I thank you for giving me a chance to programmes is only when a better way is place my views about this budget and with found out to implement. The money meant these words I conclude my speech. for the poor should reach them in proper quantity. Only then these programmes could be called successful. One cannot SHRI ZAINUL BASHER (Ghazipur) evaluate the success of any programme OD Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is tbe biggest tbe basis of the papers and records submi­ step so far taken for alleviation of poverty. tted to tbe Government. The success of Tberefore, we heartily welcome it. any prosrammc can be assessed in field. Shri Poojary gets the records and details of Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, last year we achievements from the banks here itself. bad criticised the Budget presented by the But I will praise Shri Poojary that be lOCI bon. Finance Minister, because according to tbe field area also and himself lees as to to my views that Budget was a budget meant what is tbe difference between tbe paper for the ricb. But this time I am praising and report figures and tbe actual a~beive­ bim. In the Budget which be has presented ments. Similar is the position reaarctiq this year. be has not only made up (or tbe implementing the poverty alleviatina shortcominss of the Jast year, it is in real proarammcs. Therefore. lome metbod 'MDse a Budaet for tbe poor. More fundi sbould be adopted, lome concrete ltep 1bouI4 bo taken by which the representatives arc I would have been very happy. bad the bon. allo involved. ) am sorry to lay tbat FiBance Minister been present here. I hope tbouBb we give sanction for crores of rupees Shri Poojar)ji would convey my point to by raisina Ollr bands for tbe proararnmes the hone Finance Minister because is relates relating to povel'ty alleviation, but we ale to bis announcement. When the Finance not involvtd ~hcn it comes to using that Minister y. as the Chief Minister of Uttar money in our areas. We provide tbe money Pradesb, Shri Tiwari was the Minister r-f for tbese pro~ rammes, but we have notbing Industry at the Cenfre. A Steel Fabricalins to do with that monlY \\hen we SO to our Plan was announced to be set up in our areas. We cannot watch as to how that area. The announcement was made by money is being utilised and, if it is being Shri Vishwana tb Pratap Singh. Thereafter misutilised, we have no rigbt to stop its a joint meeting of the Finance Minister. misuse except tbat we can write to the Industrry Minister, Planning Minister and Finance Minister Rural Development Steel Minister was held in wbich tbis propo­ Minister and the Chief Minister and these sal was approved J)nd on amount of Rs. one letters meet the same fate as others letters crore was also allocated, but tbe worle: on of this ~ort. Tbe efore, unless the Hon. this project is yet to be taken up. I wrote Prime Minister takesrsome concrete measures, a letter to tbe Minister of Steel, Shri Pant we cannot achieve to tal success. U nIcs! in who has replied that due to financial tbe manner in which the hOD. Minister is constraints, this project cannot be taken up looking after the work of tbe banks, poverty during the Seventh Five Year Plan. The alleviation programmes are also looked after State Government had announced this and evaluated in tbe field and tbe represen­ project only after it was approved by tbe tatives are not vested with the powelS, five Union Ministers. Tbe announcement tbese programmes cannot be properly Came from no less a person than the prescnt implemented. These programmes are ours, Minister of Finalice. Since, be is holding tbese are based on our policies and principles, the Finance portfolio now, ] think, the finan. we have formulated them and we have to cial constraint would not be allowed to see their results. The bureaucrats cannot come in tbe way of this project. I hope. have that affection, aspiration and dedication Sbri Poojaryji will convey my point to tb e for tbeset programmes as tbe representatives Minister of Finance with the request that can have. You have to pay attention necessary funds for the Steel Fabricating toward~ tbis. Plant approved in Ghazipur district of Uttar Pradesh may kindly be made available during the Seventh Five Year PJan. Secondly I would like to say something about the Public Sector. Few days back under 'Janavani' programme on television, [English] our Finance Minister had said that to raise tbe resources, there were only two alterna­ DR. A. K. PATEL (Mebsana): Sir, I tives, firstly tbat our public sector might thank you very much for giving me an function well and contribute to our national opportunity to express my views about the income and if it is Dot done, resources Budget. I would say that this Budget is a could not be raised tbrough more taxes, aod Supplementary Budget. An smout of Rs. 21 there WJ.8 only petrolium sector where prices crores only is b>· way of direct taxes and could be raised to raise more funds. Sir, Rs. 445 crores is by way of indirect taxes. if Public sector is not functioning properly, That is why, I consider this Budget to be a who is responsible for this? "'by Public Supplementary Budact. Sector is Dot working properly and, why serious atteosion is not liven towards it ? It has some unconstitutional features. Today, our Public sector is incurring losses lhe debt of privacy is violated by cnterins worth crores of rupees. If tbe Public the bouse of assessee and non-assessee by Sector starts behavina properly and fetches the income-tax officer without searcb adequate income, many of our difficu]ties warrant. Tho Income-tax Officers are bavina can be overcome aDd the rising prices cao be tbe maximum black-money. Their houses reduced. SiD~ you have runa the ben, I sbould be raided by the Special Squads to wowd raise 001, one point about my area. control..... tbioas. Tbe· Dew 1[1 (; om.· &u MAkeH 12, 1986·

[Dr. A.K. Patel] Also the money allotfed for family plaonin! is Dot 8ufficiC1lt. OD1y Rs. 538 provisions in this Btdget are unconstitutional crores-wbich is a bare 1.4% of tbe total and un\\orthy of true democracy aDd would expenditure. As you know tbe population conve.rt India into a Police State. ]nsertioD growth causes tbe maximum damase 10 the of 1:38 of the Income.:.tax Act empowers economy of the nation. lhat is wby more income-tax authorities including Insrectors money should be allotted for tbe famity to enter the residence, both assessees and planning programme. noo-assessees. A new provision bas been made with Section 269U which alkws the Department to acquire any property which is l TranJlalion] proposed to be sold. This provision gives the authority a right to enter any borne SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA (Motihari): Hon. Deputy Speaker. Sir, I between sun rise and SUD set for getting welcome tbe Budget for the year 1986·87 infornuuion. presented in tbis House. This is a concrete step in the direction of taking the country The second pro\,j~ion a)]ows the autbority into the 21st century as per the determi­ the power of acquiSition even in a case nation of our hOD. Prime Minister. where the property was sold at a fair market value and even if sold to a friend or associate Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. this Budget is company for absolutely bonafide reasons. constructive and full of wisdom, imaginative The budget has failed to create genuine and j t aims a t removing the poverty of the employment opportuni ies for the unemployed poor and makiDg tbem happier. The youth. Actually the money allotted for the resource mobilised by the hOD. Minister to poor class people hard Iy reaches t~}em and collect funds will go a long way in making we know the reasons for it. Actually, the tbe country prosperous, removing unemp)oy­ budget is more for the elitist class people. m\!nt and kindling a ray of hope in tbe butS' Hon Minister in his learned speech said that of the poor and poverty eradication pro­ be was bringing forward certain proposals gramme would be streogthened. for raising the revenue the burden of which will fall only on the affluent sections of the society. As I said, oflly Rs. 20 crores are Mr. Deputy SpC'aker. Sir, one of the to be imposed on tbis class of people. special features of this Budget presented by the bon. Finance Minister is that as compared to such a comprehensive deter­ I will come to my State of Gujarat. mination, dependence on foreign aid will be This year my State is very badly affected by only 5 per cent. The budget cieficit is only . drought and the money allotted for this is 6 ~r cent and non-plan expenditure is 13 quite insufficient. Out of 21,000 villages as per cent which indicat~s that tbe Central many as 16,000 villages are affected. They Budget is balanced one and is development are facing a lot of difficulties with r~gard to oriented and it shows its quality. The most drinkiDg water and irrigation also. The important feature of this Budget is tbat a Gujarat Government has drawn up a master substantial amount has been set spart for plan of Rs. 400 crores. The Centre should the programmes aimed at removal of poverty. come out to help JiberaJ)y tbe Gujarat Allocation under this head has been raised Govern.nent to overcome the difficulties. 1 by 65 per cent this year and J weJcome it. am prepared to say that tbe money allotted Besides, tbe allocation for the Rural Deve .. for the Gujarat State this time is not lopment Programmes bas beeD raised by 50 sufficient- per cent in this year's budaet. More funds have been allocated for the prOirammes Also about power acneration, I would covered under Rural Development Pro­ say that it is quite insufficient in Gujarat. gramme, anti poverty and po~erty eradicatioD Gujarat bas a lot of gas which can be utilised programmes, National Rural Emplo)DlODt for power generation. But for one reason Programme. This programme is ulmust or the other . it is not utilised aDd people necessary and tbe man-days likeJy to be l\oltIer a lot of difticultiel. created tbis year tbrouah tbis propallllDl 253 t;'lftrallhlt/tfl, 1986-87-Ge". 0;1. 254

will be more as compared to 1985. Tbe Champaran now stands divided into two outlay bas also been increased. There ia parts-East Cbamparan and West Cham­ 93% increase '0 the allocation for National paran. 325 bonded labourers were liberated Rurat Employment Proarammo as compared in Gaunha Block of West Champaran but to 1985 .. 86. The Government sbould see they were not given tbeir due riibts. Our that tbe perma.nent assets being created in Cbief Minister, Shri Bjndeshwari Dube set the rural areas through these programmes, up a committee under the Chairmanship of besidea creation of man dsys. ate actually the coltl!ctor in early )983. The report sub. permanent or not? They will have to see mitted by that committee is a startling one. whether work is being dODe there properly Tbe report says that 325 bonded labourers or not? bave been liberated on paper only but their due riShts were not restored to tbem. Tht, You should constitute a committee of were not Biven subsistence aUowance. Even Parliament in rtspect of the dams, roads and the cows and buffaloes given to th~m WCre schools that are being constructed or 'be sickly. The colJeetor submitted tbis report community development programmes that ~n I st May, 1985, but nine montbs bave are being launched. The committee so SlOCe passed . and tbar report is gatbering constituted should visit the rural areas and dust, 00 actIOn bas been taken 00 that Ibould see as to how much permanent assets report~ You can very well imagine as to bow have been created this year. This would give far thlS programme is being impJemented. flllip to the programmes of eradication of poverty. . I agree th 1t our pet capita income has lOC~se~ appreciable as a resuU of poverty Our second pre-gramme is RLEGP. lbls eradIcatIon programmes. If we take 1970.7 J is also a ~ry good scheme A\location ~s the base year, our national income has under 'his bead bas a'so been increased JOcr~lsed substantially, Today. our income which is an encouraging sisn. has !Dcreased to nearly Rs. 2300 crores from Rs. 775 crores. Another programme which has been given encouragement by our Finance Minister is There are two parts of tbe Budget pre­ for bonded rabour, expectant motbers, sented by our Finance Minister-Part A and infaots and breast feeding motbers. ThiS is ~rt~. I welcome the concession Biven z,y an attractive programme. But you just ,0 ~Im In Part B to the salaried class from to tbe country side and see whether IDcome tax and other facilities given to the nutritious food is actuaUy being given in the pOOr, such as, barber, cobbltr and rickshaw vmaps? Your scheme:: is, 00 doubt, attrac .. puller. J also welcome tbe Indira HOUSing tive. but you do tak e care "f it lest it miaht Sche~e .. Another point which I want to remain on the paper onl),. The Finance mention IS that '110 are going to speod Rs Minister b" to en,ure that it is translated 316 crares on drinking water sUPply scheme; iato reality. We are going to spend 65 per in viUs8es. QeDt of our budget allocations on the pro­ Femmes of ~radication of poverty. That It is a very good thins and we, therefore tbe Budaet reyolves around the l)fogrammes welcome it, In this connection. I would Iilc~ of povorty eradication is a good Sign indeed. to say that the tube:-wells whicb bave be n recently installed in the villages ought to ~ Our late Prime Minister Shrimati Indira 300 ft. deep. though if a survey ;s coaducted GaDd~i bad liven the sloan of cGaribi most of them would be only about SO to 60 Hatao' .in 19'7 t and the people appreciated ft. deep. tb\a pl'OIramme and received it will. After her party won the elections, sbe save tbe There are many more attractive proposals ooun,., 20 'OiAt Bconomic Proaramme. I in tbe Budset to wbich I would lite to draw belolll to But Champaran District. There the attcntion of tbe boo. Minister. The II it W... m Champara" District adjacent to it proposals w.iIl bring in a reveoue of Its.... ; ad I "ould tlke to live you an instance or CtCM.a. It IS 10od" that concession in excise low holtow i ,our proar~ _.., in U!1t duty has 'been &ranted to small ... IaduJ': di.~. rJ ..• tti.. , Tile .D9~ ta~ ofll9.er, NV. __ MARCH J2, 1986 1986-87-0,•• bu. 256

(Shrimati Prabhawati Gupta) are poor and 53 per cent of whose people empowered to conduct door to door surveys, live below the line of destitution. I think and I would, therefore. like tbem to discharse this is a very important factor to be taken tbeir duties witb booesty. How many into consideration. Keepina tbis in mind. I notorious smugglers who are amassing wealth think. tbe Finance Minister needs to be tbroulb anti-social activities have been congratulated and the Budget needs to bo apprehended? The raids should be con­ lauded for tbe thrust towards anti-poverty ductod, but only geninue culprits should be programmes that it has initiated. The tbrust punished. of 66 per cent is indeed a very commendable effort and we wish to congratulate the Finance Minister on tbis effort. I would like to ask those political parties in Bihar. which are threatening to convene 'Kranti March't as to leaders of However, I bave one sma1J submission to which party have been arraDling boarding, make. During my very short ,eOUN as a lodging and reception in Western Champaran Member of Par1iament of tbis august House during their ·Padyatra'. These political and during my tours of the constituency and parties are throwing a cbaIJenge to Rajivji in the backward areas of this country, I bave today. They must know that our hon. Prime noticed tbat the benefits of a larae number Minister bas resolved to take the country to of tbese plans that are so grandly made here the 21st century and bas been working for in this august House hardly every reach the the upliftment of poor vociferous)y. The poor. Some steps must be taken at least to people of this country h~ve seen it for them­ educate tbose people. They must be taught, selves. We have full faith in his leadersh:p. " they must know that there are programmes. such as, IRDP or the 20 P<>int Programme. A lot of them are totally uoaware of these 1 am confident that the current Budaet plans. I tbink some kind of a Government will Dot on1y help in eradicating poverty, but effort not only a Government effort but also spread prosperity and development to sometbioa more tbaD that is oecestary. I every village in the country. I would have would appeal to all Members of tbis House. said mucb more, but I had not been allowed tbat we Members of Parliament, when we suggicient time. J tbank you, with these tour our constituencies, should make it our words. job to see that at least we make tbem know what is in storo for them. Let them know [En,llsh] what is tbeir right; let tbem know what we write out for tbem 00, a piece of paper. so SHRI AMITABH BACHCHAN that all the benefits that we make for tbem (Allahabad): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, for in this auaust House reacb to tbem and tbey a country as vast, varied and complex as are benefited by tbem. India, it becomes an increasingly difficult task for a Finance Minister to present a The country bas advocated that proaress Budlet tbat will appeal to aU sections of the and development in tbis country will take society. tbat will have tbe approval of all place via tbe public sector. We endorse sections. Some will approve of it, some will that thought. We also endorse the thouaht. like It, some will disapprove of it. Under the thrust, tbat has been made in tbe budaet tbesc circumstances, it becomes im pera ti vc to towards iacreasiog tbe efficiency of tbe public understand wbich way we want our priorities sector. But I am afraid even here there is a to 80. lag. An investment of about Rs. 20000 crores is yieldinl nealigible return. 1 think The Financc Minister, in the openjng tbis is aa area tbat Deeds to be looked into remarks of bis Budget, bas said that the very thoroughly. Budpt is a totol, a powerful tool, for acbievina oar socio .. economic loals as laid J know tba t I ba ve not had a very lona out in the Plan. When we talk of socio .. tenure as a Member of Parliament, but 1 caD eeonomic loals, we canoot but take into say with a certain amount of confidence that consideration tho fact that we are dcaliDI if our anti poverty proarammos were to bo with a country 90 per cent of [whose people implemonted, oven SO%, if our public sector PBALGUNA 21, 1907 (SAKA) 1986-87--0•• DI,. 258

was to increase its efficiency to 2S", this comparison witb Rs. 250 crores that baa country would be seeiog its way to the been initial1y invested f Wbat I am tryiu. lolden era. I would like to implore the to implore you, what 1 am trying to say is Finance Minister to please see, to please go tbat for every Rs. 4/- tbat a Producer puts inlo the working of these public sector in. he gets back just Re. 1/., a less of 7 SI){, I undertakings, to ensure that at least we can think, this is a depiorable state of affairs. let 25% efficiency and see that these plans This is the most pathetic state of affairs and work out for the benefit of the common it is a state of afain tbat needs to be looked man. into very carefully.

There are many other areas which have (1"terruptiona) already been gone into in areat detail by other Members of this House. I don't want This needs to be gone into very carefully. to 80 into tbem. I am not an economist I want to reiterate that the taxes tbat are and I cannot really talk about them at length being levied on tbe film industry are the in detail. I would like to come to an area highest in the country even though in which has often been ignored, often been importance the film industry comes tenth looked upon very casually, an area which is in this land. Is this justifiable? Let me so close to my mind, viz, tbe film industry. just give an example of tbe excise duty OD films. We buy raw films from the market AN HON. MEMBER: He alway goes and tbere is customs and excise duty on this. to films. (lnterruptio,.,) Accepted. We shoot our films. We create. We make a print of that film and on the SHRI AMITABH BACHCHAN: That print there is an excise duty. The first 12 is why he knows little about it. prints are free of cost but after that the excise duty goes up in a geometric pro­ gression. By tbe time we make sixty prints. Mr. Deputy Speaker, what I am going fO tbe excise duty is almost 100 per cent. How say is tbat your own Chief Minister is are you going to survive? It is impossible. connected witb the same fraternity. My Sixty prints for whole of India! Sixty prints colleague Shri Sunil Dutt who is also my are capable of taking care of only one senior in the film fraternity, yesterday spoke territory say Mabarashtra. There are six at great length about tbe film industry. I major territories. How can we reach tbe endorse bis thoushts and I don't want to whole of India by taking out sixty prints? repeat whatever he bas said. I really want We cannot afford to take out mOf" prints. to make some more deliberations. I want to know what is the logic behind tbis duty. The Finance Minister bas said tbat First of all. I would like to inform this excise duty is a duty which is executed and House of some very startling statistics about tben invariable passed on to the consumer, tbe film industry. The annual investment viz., in time to come the excise duty should as far as production of films is concerned is pass on to tbe consumer. We accept that around Rs. 250 crores. Our box office fact. But bow bave you treated tbe collection annually amounts to about Rs. 500 finished print as a consumer product. It crores. Of this Ra. ~oo crorcs, Rs. 3S0 must be the only consumer product in the crores go to the Government by way of ,world where you have to pay for it btfore you taxes. That leaves the balance of about can actuaJly see it. If you go and buy soap. Rs. 17' crores. Half of tbis amount goes tooth brush our tooth paste in the market you to tbe exhibition ~ction for exhibitins these are able to see, feel and make a seJection and films. That leave a balance of approxi­ then take it home and use it. But the film matoly Rs. 90 crorcs. This Rs. 90 crores is one medium where you have to buy your has to be sbared between tbe distribution ticket at the booking office without knowing section and the production section. what is your consumer product going to look like and after entering the ban and seeina Giving an all owaoce of say 20')(, as the product you cannot take it home. So. commission towards distribution, it leaves a what is the rationale and on what basis tbe fa,ure of al. 70 crares. Rs, 70 crores ip G¥ise ,",ut7 i, bein" le.vellcd on priJl", 259 q~"eral Budt~', MARCH 12, 1986 1986-87-G,fI. DII. 260 lShri Amitabh Bacbchan} We have to fiaht tbe video piracy every Sir, tben this is not applicable only to day. You drive down to Palika Bazar bere the number of prints but also there is excise and you will find that illegally video cassettes are being sold in the market. There duty on tbe length of film. If you make a is a regular Safta bazar. Even before tbe film beyond 4000 meters there is an excise films are released, they arc auctionilll our duty levied on it. I am not able to under .. films here. How do we battle with the stand the rationale, Kindly explain it to video piracy? We can battle with tbe me. video piracy only if we are able to beat the video pirate before he reaches that territory. Sir, tbe film is a creative piece of art. We can only do that if we are allowed to So~ in other words you are trying to tax take out tbe maximum number of prints. creativity. You are trying to say tbat if If we are able to take out 200 to 300 prints. I make a film of 4000 meters there will be we will be able to reach the various DO tax but if I make a film which is 5000 territories before the video pirates get tbere meters then I wiH have to pay the tax. • ... (lnle,rupl/Qn:s). There is a Cinernato­ Sirt it should be the criteria of the maker graphic Act. We cornplimeni. the Govern.. to decide as to how much lenght of bis film meat (or that; that was amended also last should be. He can make a film of 10 year. Video was also ~rought into minutes, two hours and ten bours. Let tbe it. domain, but it is not being implemented. public decide how iong tbey W8!}t to sit in 1 do not have rrudges about that. But let the theatre. us create an atmosphere, where the film industry can fight tbe video pirate. We MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Many will be able to fight the video pirate only if people want to &it for hours together. we are allowed to take out maximum number of prints. That we can do only if SARI AMITABH BACHCHAN ; What this torturous excise duty is removed and I am trying to say is that it is like askinJZ abolished totally. an another that you are allowed to write tweo ty pages of a book and on every ten pages extra that you write you will have to I shall DOW make one or two morc pay excise duty. points. There is a scheme called tbe Annunity Deposit Scheme wbich bad been It is Hke telling a painter that you are propagated maoy ye~rs age by a former allowed to use red and blue and jf you use Finaoce Minister, a very honourable maD. green then you have to pay excise duty He said, and very rightly so, that the life of artistes is very limited, they ba\e a peak on it. period, and, therefore, their futuJC should Sir, the hon. Finance Minister, ul·for· . be protected because their earnings for tbe tunately, is not present in the House tbough entire tenure would not be tbe same. He it concerns the Finance Minister. The hon. brought out this Annunity Deposit Scbeme. Finance Minister is also a creative artist whereby tbe producer of a film or an artis' and J wish be \Vefe preseot here today to took bis remuneration, gave it to the LIC beat this. He not only has the task of and opened all Annuity deposit. After creating a commendable budget ever year, ten years. when tbe artists had passed his but the Finance Minister is also a poet. I prime, tbis annuity was given back to him have hade tbe honour and privilege of baving in a staggered form. The Finance Minister read his poems in many magazines. How after a Supreme Court judgement bas put would the Finance Minister react if be were this annuity under wealth tax. I would Uke to:d that after two verses, on the third verse to know where is tbe wealtb involved in it. tbat be writes he will have to pay excise when I do Dot even see it. It is just a piece duty. This bu~iness of fixing excise on the of paper. I cannot even liquidate it to pay length of the film tantamounts to tbat. J my· taxes. How can tbis come under am pleading against that. I want to plead wealth tax? We have made innumerable with the Finance Mi.lh.ter 10 look in:o this representations to . tbe Government ..,till mat ter. It is extremely serious. 1 his is that tbis is a pnrodox. this j. an aoomaJ, J:iP~iD~ the dc-atb knell of the film industr),. whj~b must ~ removed. After teD )'oara, I'HALGttNA 21, 1907 (SAK.4) 1986-8i-Gen. /)Is. 262

when we get back our money from LIe. note of this point and discourage pecple we have to pay tax, because it bas been from saying that tbey should not go to films brought under wealth tax. What kind of because the films industry's survival is at wealth it is "ben it is not C\CD under my stake. ADd this is a very serious point. possession ! I would illl piore again the I know that we provide the lighter Finance Minister to look this very carefuHy moments in life not only to people outside and consider l ur request, for which a number this House but inside the' House as weU. of representations bave alrcad)' beeD made. But let me iofol'm you that our problems are, io fact, very seriolS and they need to be Again, I would like to make a reference looked into witb great seriousness. to tbe Finance Minister, but unfortunately he is not here. I want to tbank you once again for giving me this opportunity to put across my THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE points about the film industry with t he hope MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI that the hon. Minister of State for Finance JANARDHANA POOJAR Y): He ts in will pass this on to the hon. Finance the Rajya Sabha ; be cannot be prcsent in Minister. both the Houses at the same time. And from here I have to rush to the Rajya Sabha because he has to go at 5 O' clock with the 15.47 hI'S. Prime Minister. [SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN AN HON. MEMBER: We are Dot In the chair] objecting to it. SHRI G. L. nOGRA (UdhampUf): SHRI JANARDHANA POOJAR Y : Sir, I tbank you for allowing me time to The hoo. Member should have understood speak. Before] ~ay anything, I must assert that I am with Amitabb. S(, as that. 1 flm aho 8 part and parcel of the ODe far whole-time artists and Finance ~1inistry. the film film industry are concclned, it is they who provide the poor people's entcl-tajnmeot. SHRI AMITABH BACHCHAN: In He bas enlightened us for the first time as the Janavani pro~ramme ""hich featured the to how shabbily the film people arc treated Finance Minister, he made a reference very and how hard their life is. The rea) good-humoured:y_ to one of the J ady position about the film industry is quite members in the panel say;n~ that one way unknown and he has done a great servke to control oue's bud~ct hike after the price by putting things right. 1 hope that OUf was to forego one cinema ticket. The Finance Minister win consider the matter Finance Minister said it very good· humoure­ vety sympatheticalJy in its proper dly and I hope the public, the masses of perspective. this country have also taken it good­ bumoured'y. If they have not, then it is going to affect the lives of three lakhs of Sir, the budget, on the whole, is very workers that are involved in the film good. It is really one of the best budgets industry. How much blood, sweet and tears that we have ever soon. But still, thcle are 80 into enticing that one chap to buy a s·x .. certain things in which this budget is rupee ticket! Now, we know that and lacking. and I would like to draw the atten .. perhaps you also know. It is a Jot of bard tion of tbe hone Finance Minister to these work and it is a lot of hard labour. I want aspects. All tbe surveys such as the pre .. to make one mrre point. On one six-rupee budget survey, etc" and aU the statistics ticket, there is an entertainment tax of Rs. 4. tbat we may have here, win be absolutely By foregoing one t'cktf and rresumiog that misleading unless we are able fo bold tbe there are about ten crores of people watching priceline, And it is not possible to hold the films every week (and this is also a very priceline when the Government is raising conservative figure), you are saying that Rs, the administered prices the administered 40 crores should not ~o to the exchequer. prices 80 far as petrol and petrol~um Sir J 1 hope tbe Finaoce Minister will make products are concernod cannot be qucstione4. ~63 Generaj Badp'. 1986-87--Gen. Dis. ~64

{Sbri O.L. Dogra} industries and we took Jot of pains in this I think that our economists and planners Budget to explain tbat. It is true tbat a have a very loose policies and loose ideas sliding scale system of excise duty has been about things. They do not take into introduced. But there was a minimum account the actual performance. They limit of 30 lakhs, previously for the small hand)y know what is goinS on in the country. scale industries. Last year, it was reduced In my view it is not the financial provisions to 20 lakhs. Now, tbe small scaJe industry in the Budget that count, rather it should be people are saying that has been reduced to actual performance. If you raise the prices 7.S Jakhs. Everybody in the small-scale by 5 per cent, 1 can say from my personal industry whose gross produce is upto S lakhs experience, tbat the performance is reduced has to take the licence from Excise Depart­ at least by 25 per cent. Tbis is one thing ment. The licence- business .hould be which we must keep in view. These teams avoided. But I would say that the small of financial advisers that you have got scale industry is Mery necessary Cor remo­ perhaps comprise of youngsters who have ving unemployment and for industrialisioJl come now from universitles. They kbOW backward areas by giving work to the poor only the text-book theories and they 80 by people. Under the circumstances the small tbem. There is a price rise. They say scale industries case should be reviewed in there is inflation. There is expansion of consultation with those people. I tried to money. Through the administered prices under stand this problem but I could not you reduced the volume of money. Deficit follow whatever they are &ayiOI and whatever financing was resorted to by one 01 the the Government are saying. I could not boldest Finance Ministers late Shri C.D. reoonciJe it. Therefore, this should be Deshmukh. He was right. when he said considered. Before, I go to another point, that you can have the deficit financing if I will say that the Government has provided your GNP goes up proportionately. If you a good amount for certain works, for example adopt deficit financing, you do not taxed at Thein Dam. Nobody does proper planning. all. Our present Finan~ Minister also took I say it is loose planning. Thein it is only bold step, last time, when be reduced the 20 kms. from BasohH town-whicb is an tax rates and had the largest collections. old town and also a bistorical town. But some people apposed him on the basis of Existing road to Basobli win submerge in outdated theories. They wanted to protect the dam. The new proposed road will tho theories and not the Collections. If make Thein about two hundred kilometres you can reduce the rate of income tax from Basobli A barrible alternative I Now further, and you can collect more money. they should construct a bridge so tbat we Same say that it is the blackmoney which is can reach Basobli town easily. At the coming into the field and the people are moment. if you do not construct a bridge, it paying taxes on that. Blackmoney today is will be around 200 kms. So. I would request acting Parallel economy. Wherever there you that the Thein Dam Authorities should is high rate of taxation, it is generall), black be asked to construct a bridge over Ravi money and in turn it is acting as a parallel river. On one side there will be dam well. economy. If you reduce the taxes, if even On the other side, they should make a then tbe black money comes under your bridge. fold and you should be bappy about it. Do you want paralie) economy or you want blackmoney to come to your fold and that These are the billy and backward areas. should be kept in view. I do not know High mouDtains too. You make pronoun­ wby our Finance Minister fumbled this cements that girls will be given free education time. The tax rate should be reduced. To upto Class XII. It means that to tbe people tbat extant it sbould be reduced determined livins in the higbest peaks 0 f Ladakh aDd in by an exerci~e to determine the point of the border areas. in the higbest points or maximum collectives. The exemption limit Himachal, and of U.P•• this benefit win be should also be raised so Car as income tax aiven. But tbere is no school, no buildioa is concerned. Thore are the points I want Nothing of the sort there. You are moder­ to make. I allo press those points. Some nizins education without buildinas witbout c;onceslioDs have been liven to small aeale teacbera. You ma)' start USiDI QOmputeh. You will aive education through radio and I agree with tbe Finance Minister that television ; but who will Jearn? Do you he waDts resources ; hence a tax revenue of want people living in high mountains, Rs. 450 crores is a welcome measure, because in backward areas v. hich are good a part taxes are to be levied. Otbtrwise there win of India as any big city, and whose number be no revenu~, but it will have to be a is very bil, to be educated. reople from graded eifort. Tbere have been internal hill)' areas are as good citizens as people in borrowings and deficit financing. Despite other parts of India. How can you deprive deficit financing and internal t orrowinas. them of these facilities? Will they serve tbere is need to levy taxes. as servants, coolies and porters for ages 1 It is not accepta ble to us or to them or I am in 'agreement with tbe Finance future generatioDs. The Budget bas to make Minister whom I find to be very hard provision for them. It cannot be done working. His intention is not to punish unless you open up tbese areas, unless are the poor people. But we have seen the constructed tht-re. increase in prices on the eve of the Budget Session of Parliament. (Interruptions) It was Nehru Ji who had started the 16.00 brs. Borders Roads Organization. But the work being done by it is very small. You have to not to speak of us who belong to the open those areas wbicb are crucial even for opposition. On the eve of budget, there defending the country. was an increase in prices of essential commo­ dities which form part of mass consumption Forests are being cut. In Tibet, I am and some people rjght1y said that it was told, tbe Chinese have made thick forests. an affront to the di&nity of tbe Parliament. On our side of tbe border we have nacked Even though I have sympathy for the Finance mountains. We are not prepared to import Minister with his arguments that be wants to raise resources, on eve of budget, very plant atioD technology from china, although essential commodities was an affront to the we are importing rubbish from USA and dignity of Parliament-J must say humbly­ Britain. You import technology for making that the increase in prices of kerosene, in forcsts in those neglected ureas, from Tibet diesel, in gas, in wheat and rice has crippJed or China, so that trees could be planted. the purchasing power of the poor masses of Our scientists have failed us sofar. India.

It is my misfortune that whenever I have Now, it is .very uofortunate that Mr. to speak on the bach ward areas. I am short Sunil Dutt and Mr. Amitabh Bacbchan of time. I hope some day I" will have should bring in discussion on film industry. enough time to speak on tbem. It is their risht to do so, but they were not elected to Parliament to represent tbe film industry only. I don't say tbat is not Mr. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baramulla) : Amitabh Bacbchan's right, but I would invite I wanted to say a point or two about Mr. them to be witb me and I would tell him Bachcban's speech but now that he is not in bow pre· budget increase-in prices of the House, I must not refer to ahat speech. essential c(JDlmodities. in essentiaJ commo­ There are certain factual inaccuracies in it. dities has shattered the farniJy budgets of a Anyway. I will not go into tbem. greate chunk of our population. J don't say tbat the Finance Minister is absent as others said, for Mr. Poojary is bere. I invite his I see some good fea tures in this Budget, attention to this. Last time, he did not which is innovative no doubt and it bas answer my questions whicb I raised. This given some relief in Excise duty. It has an time I would request bim to raise this i!tsue element of subsidy amounting to Ra. 2200 with tbe Finance Minister. I give them an crores for wheat, rice and kerosene.. These idea of a family whoae income is Rs. SOO measures will belp poor people to lome per mODth. I have drawn the budget for 'ItoDt. a famU,. I GlD 10 to tbe Finance Mlnistol,' MAtteH i " 1986

Prof. Saifuddin S07] ate m~ny areas where you could effect or Mr. Poojary'and show bim how a family economy, you could eff~ct economy and of five members with Rs. ~OO per month feels save money. Look at the losses io transmi­ about it. Last time you said there should be ssion, and in enersy sector aU over the three member family. Now you say, two chil- country. dren. Tomorrow, you may say, one child. \Ve sbaH abide by your advise. A family baviog MR. CHAIRMAN: The bon. Member's five member:) with Rs. 500 per month as time is ur. income bas gone below the poverty line. If you say. it was 50 per cent earlier below the PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Your total poverty line, now you must have the figures revenue through taxes is Rs. 450 crores. to tell us what is the percentage of popula­ Some hone Members on the Treasury Bencbes tion that is living below the poverty line. It have suggeosted--or ca1culated--tbat is not a challenge to you it is a question of c1eanising Bandh costs Rs. ~oo Crores. 1 hen common sense. If you prepare a family why not discuss it with the Opposition before budget of five nlembers with ~s. 500 p~r the Central Government hikes up the prices? month as income, with the latest IOCreaSI! to Had they done it, there would have been a the prices of essential commodities. Such a no bal;dJz. Why did you Dot gct that to family has decidedly p~ssed below the Parliament before going in for the sav81e poverty line. Gas js no longer a luxur~ ; price hike? diesel is not an item of luxury. The family of five memhers baving an income of Rs. 500 pet month bas gone below the poverty SccocdJy, as 1 have ~aid it, I bave line. sympathy with tbe Finance Minister, but I must tell him this price hike is an affront to tbe dignity of Parliament besides baving This budget has given some relief to crippled the perchasing power of Vast people. but the budget does not reflect anti­ majority of people. poverty programme!) in a substantial manner.

MR. CHAIRMAN: You wind up now. He wanted to ra ise resources. Tbere was a lot of wastage. l"here is need for economy; there is need to improve efficiency. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Give me If only in these areas we make some one or two minutes more. concerted effort, we can have a lot of resources. I can say tbat not only from the MR. CHAIRMAN: I have already opposition side but from the Treasury given you three minutes extra. Benches also there were suggestions to this effect. I was going through the speeches of Mr. Patel. Prof. Mahajan I found that PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: I am coming to my State only now. Give me both from the opposition as also, from the three more minutes, Sir. Treasury Benches. two gentlemen had referred to some measures whereby the Finance Minister could increase resources. If, on MR. CI-IAIRMAN I have liven energy, you save only J per cent on loss of enough time. energy through transmiss ion, you will ba vc Rs. 400 crores to Rs. 500 crores and if you can improve utilization of capacity in PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: I have not industry only to the ex tent of 1 per cent. yet said anything about my State. you will have another Rs. SOO crores. But )'ou have punished the poor people who MR. CHAIRMAN: What can I do ? have to pay now Rs. 2 for the same trans­ Your time is up_ portation for which they paid 50 paise in tbe past. Tbirl), paise ticket you have rais~d to SO paise and 40 paise ticket you have raised PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Give me to Re. 1. Diesel. kerosene and gas. all at least half as much time as you had aiven these are essential commoditioa. So there to Sbri Bacban. 269 O.. ,al ButWet, PHALOUNA 21. 1907 (S.t4 ..T.4) 1986-87-Gen. [Jis. 270

MR. CHAIRMAN: His party bas g)t formulated with tbe above aims and more time ;!bi4} party has lot more members a bsolutely there is no change from the 800d here. old practice which we are following--for our achievements are many ; PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: I have got important things to say. Kindly live me From our experience, mixed economy is more time. 11 ot retarding the growth and progres of the nation but accelerates the production and I am not takiog much time. I will productivity of agriculture and industrial straiahtaway come to my State. 1 invite sectors. At a glance of the Budget, the new tbe Finance Minister·s attention to tbe fact changes, I.e. we are moving towards the that our State is a very backward State and formulation of a Jong term fiscal policy co­ in addition to being a very backward State, terminus with the Seventh Plan is evident. our waters are ruol'ing waste fully. Against In spite of various hurdles and hazards-­ national and international--against econo­ 1 ~OO MW our installed capacity is 200 MW. Durio. tbe last twenty months this State has m'e development and political stability. our been under the mis-rule of Shab Government, nation marched forward with increased which was a very corrupt Govt'rnment and production and productivity from agriculture the dimensions of that corruption have no and industry. As we are aware, the total parallel in the twentieth century. revenue of our country is only sufficient for defence, subsidy. non-plan expenditure and interest payment. We are forced to go in MR. CHAIRMAN: You wind up now. for internal and external borrowings for our Plan expenditure. Pla~, as stated earlier, PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Just a demands a fresh look i.e. expenditure on minute. Sir. plans should commensurate with the achievement-achieving target in money You have instituted the Governor's rule terms alone will not lead us anywhere near and we have welcomed it. He is now our goal. having--wbat I can call--a cleansing operation and we are aU happy with him Thi!S Budget is not mere1y a document on that he bas started doing a very good job. resource mobilisation and expenditure. but He is doing some good things. But, power tbis is a document for proper scrutiny by propers, who have no voice among peopJe this august Hotlse irrespective of party will now start criticising him. So, we have afiiliation, for reducing the gap of haves welcomed tbe Governor's rule. But tbe and have-nots. Political criticism for Central Government should invite the attaining cheap and mean popularity among Governor here and ask him about the the people will certainly inflict JDore harm measures taken and ask him to inquire into than good to the nation in achieving our tbo Corruption during Shah's time. The socialist goals. PlaDoing Commission and the Finance Minister should ask bim to submit some Ion. terms proposals for the economic As we are a ware, fund ing the Plan is a development of the State, which has been difficult task. . With utmost care and ruined by Mr. Shah and his cronies during tremendous etTorts by the Ministry of tbe last twenty months. Finance under the leadership of our Prime Minister and the Finance Minister. in 1985-86 we could increase tho revenue MR. CHAIR.MAN : Dr. Adiyodi. substantially breaking hitherto records. This trend will aJone provide sufficient means in DR.. K. O. ADIYODI (Calicut): I am increasing the capability of the Dation for fully aware of the time and I take this achieving tbe aimed goal by the beginoing of opportunity to support the Budget. The tbe next century as per our commitment. lUidiDI principles of Indian planninl are provided b, tbe basic objectives of growth, modernisation. self-roUanco and social But some of my colle_sues in the j\Jatio.. The SevOQtb five Vear Plao .Iso oppositioll ~re "ainst modernis4ltiOD 271 General 811"', MARCH 12, 1986

[Dr. K.O. Adiyodi] I D K.erala, hydro electric power _lone is available. A tbermal power plant is a must especially computerisation. Yet otbers in and it il a Ions overdue demand. public criticise this Budget as a Budget of consolidation with pOlitical tranquilisers and In transport lector also tbe allocation j8 DOt growth oriented. The main reason meagre. I request the Railways for doubliDI they attribute to tbis argument is that ~be of lines from Sbornur to Manlalore. respectful citizens are harassed by tax raids Tricbur·Guruvayur~Kuttipuram and Tell· and tbe proposal for acquisition of property chery-Wynad-Mysore. above Rs. S lakhs is termed to be unconsti­ tutional and they say tbat tbe Government is leading the country to a Police State. I National Highway 17 from Calicut to am surprised to note that after going through MangaJore with by passes is 1001 overdue the Budget documents and the boo. Finance and so also palgbat-Manoarghat-CaJicut Minister's speecb in this House, if studied roadways. deeply, no citizen of India could come Largest kilometres of inland waterways fOrward ~ ith such a mean argument. are available io kerala and to conserve energy, it can be put to usc. I t requires 8 By the end of tbe Seventh Plan the total major input but neglecting it is not beJpinl expenditure as envisaged DOW is twice that in conserving the petroleum products. of a foregone Five Year Plan. The main objectives are to fight poverty in coasonance Complation of Calicut airport is a 10Dg with our socialist goal. to give r#1ief to the overdue demand. common man, to strengthen tb~ public sector, strengthen self-reliance, boost small scale industries. to launcb drive against tax evaders In tbe cooperative sector, tbe old British system is still functioning, Linking up of and concct more from tbe rich. credits with share to tbe poor agriculturists­ MODV AT, if I may put in tbe Finance A few items of increased expenditure. Minister's term-is doing much harm than as stated by many of my colleagues. are belp to the people. The three-tier system IRDP-Rs. 428 crores. NREP-Rs. 443 of cooperative organisations is to be dispensed crores, RLEGP-Rs. 633 crores. subsidy on with as early as possible. foodgrains including essential commodities­ Rs. 2488 crores and Indira Gandhi Griha Coconut, tbe mainstay of the agriculturists Nirman Yojana-Rs. 125 crores. of Kerala_ is not included in the category of oi1seeds. We can save a lot of foreilD excbange if it is included in tbe edible oil So, when compared to all other Budgets, sector and self-sufficiency can also be this is a Dovel Budget and it gives a lot of achieved. relief to the common man and farmers through loog term agricultural pricing policy. The economy of Kerala, a you know, It also gives impetus to our industry and depends upon tbe export-oriented cash crops, other common daily use items. They are marine, coffee, cardamom, etc. . The major goins to have a sort of price fixing policy. export earning is from pepper and ginlcr. There are various benefits given in tbe Budget to workers, salaried class, common man, Value added export is our aim but self-employed, small scaJe industry, handloom, nothing is being done towards this end, and etc. because of tbat huge and bulk quantities of pepper and other bill products are refused Coming to my State~ it is true that a by foreign buyers. higher allocation is provided for hydro­ electric, thermal. solar, etc. But it i. tbe Science and tecbnology. to increase pro­ main sector by which the industry and ductivity, is totany urgent and even thouah agriculture can prosper. So, in my view. there are &everal State and Central Ii.eies the alloc~tion in this 12 field should be to belp the aaricultural sector, DotbiD8 dO{lblc, taD,iblc is boilll dOD,. . PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (S4fKd)

The major wood·based industries in grammes. This will bene6t the rural lectiOD Kerala, employinl about 6,000 workers of our people. He has also introduced a directly and almolt tbe double of that new scheme to provide loan through banka number indirectly. are in a soup now because with subsidy components for the benefit o{ of the unavailability of aoCt--wood. Larae­ the poorer sections living in tbe ur ban areas. scale plantation of soft-wood was planoed for industrialisation. but due to various Sir, another very imporcant step for tho reasons it was shelved. So. to save tbe improvement of the Jiving condition of tho industries and tbe- workers. immediate inter­ Scbeduled Castes and Scbeduled Tribes vention of tbe Central Government is people is the proposal of Indira Awaas demanded. Yojan8. tbe Housing Scheme. This is a befitting tribute to our late Prime Minister Beypore Port is the oldset port wbich is Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who stood for the Iyin, sick. Ship breaking is a bigbly profi­ welfare of tbe backward peC'J))e, the Scheduled table venture and there is every scope for Castes aDd Scbeduled Tribes and the down­ enlarging it for providing employment as trodden people of the country. well al for earning re~enue. But that allo is in a mess now. However, I would say that more emphasis shou1d have been given for development of Tbere is a lot of unemployment among bill areas which are stiJl very backward. I tbe educated youth in Kerala wbicb bas the come from the Nortb Eastern Border largest density of population aod tbe smallest Territory of our country, Arunachal Pradesh, holding of land. Unless major Central sector which is still very very backward and tbe industries are set up in Kera)a, employment people arc still cut off from tbe mainstream opportunities cannot be created. To improve of national life. Road communication need. the economy of tbe State, it is necessary that Jot of improvement. The rate of literacy in productive investment and industrial Arunachal Pradesh is 20% which is one of development should be made, otberwise all the lowest in the country. We have no tbe uneducated youths will not get employ­ Railways in Arunachal Pradesh. There is ment. As a pramium for the good work no major industry thero. We have mostly done by, ...the State in the overall socia) to depend upon road communications. But upliftment.~ a special grant for employment tbere is a great bottleneck in respect of road sbould be provided. communications. Many road construction projects have remained incomplete due to To acbieve our goal. our prime concern financial constraints. Out posts are still is to strengthen the forces of unity and inte­ being fed by transporting materials by air grity of tbe nation for which it is warranted through the helicopters, etc. and overdue to start a mass campaign by the secular and democratic (orces to safeguard The cost of transportation of materials nationalism, secularism, democracy and by air comes to Rs. 8 to Rs. 10/- per t.g. socialism. So, under such circumstances, unless we have better road communication, the people SHRI WANGPHA LOWANG (Aruna­ living in tbe area will Qll'ver progress. Some chal Pradesh): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am of the border roads were taken over by aratefu1 to you for living me this opportunity BRTF (Border Road Task Force) but stiJJ to participate in tbe Budpt discussion. I bave remained incomplete. For example, I rise to support the Budlet proposal. The should mention tbat from Roing to Anini, Government. under tbe Jeadenbip of prime the road was started in the year 1969. It is Minister Sbri Rajiv Gandbi has made a little more than 200, kms but still' it is commendable achievement in many fields, incomplete, so also bound many other roads Which need no raiteration. We should all incomplete or Dot having improved. appreciate and cooperate. This Budget il another Itride in the process of eradication Primary scbools in the villages are in the or povert,. I cOnsratuJatc the Financo from of be". bouse conltruct~ with Miililter. He bas inC1'e8ee4 tbe allotment bamboo and otber materials. MaDY of tbe b1 "% ~~, JR"'P, N_~' 4lD4 ~J.,GP pr9- ~~~ ~fO 90D~~lfd 9D ~If help bNit, 27 S Gtf"tral Budget, MARCH 12, 198fi 1986.lJ7-Ge". DI,. 216

[Sbri Wangpha Lowang1 darsban, most of tbe people in our area. say Arunachal Pradesh has great potentialities, 80% of the people, are not able to see TV bas got valuable forests. Tree and timbers, coveralC. and bas got many mineral resources like coal, limestone, granite and even oil, these I would once again implore for allocation are to be explored. There is a proposal from of more funds for our Union Territory and the Oil India Ltd .• to set up a mini refinery support the Budget proposal. at Kharsang. This is still pending with the Government of India So, my earnest SHRI K. S. RAO (Macbilipatnam) request to the Minister is to see that sucb Sirt I consider this Budget as one of tbe projects are approved by the Government of good Budgets as much as we fclt in the last India at the earliest, Budget, it is the determination and tbe commitment of the Finance Minister under Arunachal Pradesh has got the generatiug the guidance of the Prime Minister Shri capacity of 20,000 mega watt of power. But Rajiv Gandhi that has made the success of till now, we have been able to generate only this Budget and tbat has also possibly 200 m.w. There is much scope for develop­ sbattered the doubts expressed by the ment. There should be allotment of more Opposition. funds. Statistics part of the various aspects are I do not went to prolong my speach and a1ready given in the book. 1 do not want bore the hon. Members. My only request to repeat any . more. But while going into to the Finance Minister and Government is the Budget, the emphasis that is given parti­ to see that the funds are allocated in a cularly to the poverty alleviation programmes, liberal manner so that territories like the common man, the public sector and tbe Arunachal Pradesh which is very very back­ small-scale industries all these tbings wi)) 10 ward also come up along with the other a long way once again to get a good name areas of the country. There should be a to support and to improve tbe economy. balanced development. Unless there is More t~an the allocations and tbe proposals, balanced development, we cannot be proud it is implementation part that brin8~ success. of our development in tbe country. As long I wish that the hon. Minister will take all as some people remain very very backward precautions to see that effective implemen­ in some Corner, we can never be proud of tation of all these programmes and poHcies our development in the country. You will is done, particularly on the 20 point pro­ be surprised to know that in many respects gramme. 20 Point Programme is universally Arunachal is lagging behind. For example. accepted that it will help the poor in you take telecommunication. I cannot talk improving their Jot. Time and alain, it is to my constituents over telephone from felt by many in the country that the impJe. Delhi. If I sen d a telegram from Delhi, it mentation is Dot going well. So,) reptat reaches there very late. tbat the Finance Minister must take proper care in ensuring the proper implementatioD of this 20-Point Programme. - One such case has actually happened very recently. In tbe month of January, I In this COD text, I wish to .neotion sent one telegram on 23rd January to my possibly tbe secret of the success for the House informing that I would be reaching implementatfon of the 20 point programme there on 28th. I reached my house on 28th is in identifying tbe right beneficiaries. This as scheduled but the telegram reached there is not being done wi tb proper care with tbe after my arrival, i.e. on 29th. This is the existing infrastructure. condition. In many other aspects also, tbe condition is 1ike that. ( Interruptions)

In TV ,overage. although \\'e have so Mil. CHAIRMAN: They are com­ many programmes, nice programmes on plaining that no Minister is attending to tb, development an~ other tbin~s by tta~ I)09r~ speecb. SOPlebod), must ta~e ~oto. PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (SAKA) 198t-87-··G~n. bls. 278

SHRI K. S. RAO: The intention of tat ion of the programmes by the Centre. the Budget can be fulfilled in regard to the The States also must take care that effective commo n man by the proper implementation implementation is done in regard to the of the 20 point programme and the key to funds given to the States by the Centre as success is only in identifying the right well as their own funds. beneficiary who can generate wealth with the help given by this Government. This Extensive study must be done by the requires possibly, apart from the infrastruc­ Government of India and the Finanace ture that is avaiJahle now, involvement of Ministry before formulating the budget the voluntary agencies in a good nurnbtr involving the economists. the industrialists, which are above board, which have done the trade unions. the farming communit" good service in the past also, entrusting it to the consumers and administrators etc. to find theln and then over-seeing and monitoring out what type of tax structure and what its success. A good number of youngsters type of policies and programmes win be able arc available, particularly in poorer classes to generate more wealth as well as more who are competent, desirous, zealous, who resources for proper distribution. can be encouraged by giving the necessary training in various skills. Conling to the Budget provisions~ when we go througb--it can be checked from As regards the products that have been both sides-we see that we can certainly produced by them, it' the Government is (0 still increase the small savings and the take responsibility in marketing by givi ng internal borrowings as well as the tax revenue right price, it gives the right rcsuh. as the Finance Minister has done last year. From tbe expenditure side, the non-plan This subsidy particularly given through expenditure and the expenditure on general 20 point programme, ~hould not be a cause services and the economic services to a very for inflatian because of misuse. Tbousands great extent can be reduced. This is possible of crores of rupees which are given in the and by this we can also reduce the deficit in villages arc_ on many an occasion. increasing the Budget. the prices of commodities which are in short supply. The Government must think" not The budget shows that enough attention silnpty. py giviog subsidy, but by increasing bas not been given for human resources the productive capacity, by bringing new development. If one goes into tbe details, tecbnology or hybrid methods or imparting by impa! ting skil1s to a common man to an technical skills, only be will improve the extent of reducing C'xtra inccme of Rs. 4 per wealth and simply not giving subsidies. day, we can increase the resources to an Consistent and effective monitoring, cutting extent of Rs. 40,000 crores per annum. red·tapism, corruption in various places and With 10% of the GNP as the resource we allowing the real benefit to ~o to them will can get Rs. 4000 crores which can nullify add to the : uccess of the 20 point the deficit in the budget. programme. Similarly, to-day 170 mill ion hectares of w8&teland is available in the country. It is The other day our hon Member and the Opposition Leader, Sbri Madhav Reddi was Dot necessary that YOU should invest teHing tbat this budget was populous. 1 am thousands of crores of rupees. If only the vcr), bappy that be bas recognised that the Government takes effective measures w;thout budget sbould not be populous. But if you losing aoy time and give tbis land to the local poor, we can increase the wealtb of 10 into tbe budget~ 8% of it is subsidy or this couotry by tbousands of crores of 15% is for social services inclUding subsidies. I wish that our bon colleague, Shri Madhav rupees, which may even rUD to Rs. 80,000 to Reddi will ensure tbat the budget of Andbra Rs. 90,000 crores. Once again, 10% of it as Pradesh also is on tbe same lioes. tax revenue, that is around Rs. 8000 crores. caD cover the subsidies and other expenditure simultaneously cutting down the inflation, Coming to the gross national product, controlling the prices and filling the gaps in the incrt.8.se of the GNP does not depend the budaet. Then it does not requiro 0Gl¥ upon tho omph•• il or tlao implomoo!' illQ"Cuiq thO pri", or tbo duties, (Sbri K.S. Rao] spent OD social services and subsidies but I have been telliog repeatedly that I cannot understand why particularly some proper statistical organisations should be important sectors are oot liven enough established and strenathened to analyse the budgetary money once again when tbey could shortfalls in various directions aDd advise generate surplus funds to feed social services the industrialists. the traders and the farming and subsidies. community about the product, the crop pattern. etc. by which we can increase the ( '"te,,.upliolU) production, regulate the prices, save the foreign' exchange and maintain the balance Sir, enough attention bas not been paid of trade. If this is done, we can cut down on tbe population control. Whatever be tbe imports and save a lot of foreign exchange. amount of generation of wealtb, unless tbe God bless tbe Finance Minister. He bas population is checked tbe problems of the realised at least now that we sbould not country and economy will contioue. So. allow any more imports of edible oils and immediate steps are to be taken by allocating sugar which can be produced in abundance necessary funds to cheek the growth of popu- if only the farming community of tbis lation. (lnte,.,.uptlons) It is not the allocation country is given enoub incentives and of funds alone tbat matters. Givins necessary remunerative prices. permission for or clearance to certain projects is a must.. For example in Aodbra Pradesh Similarly. some incentives given to the there are two projects viz. tbe Polavaram various otbcr producers without sacrifiCing project and the Te)ugu-Ganga project, they the interests of the nation can improve the will bring wealth enormously. It is not economy. only for tbe State of Andbra Pradesh but also for the nation 8S a whole. This point The public sector, as everybody knows must be taken into account that clearance and the Minister also bas admitted, has to of such projects not in the interest of the improve its efficiency. If only tbe maoage­ State alone. The Polsvaram project aJone ment of the public sector is entrusted to the costing Rs. 1284 crores. It generates 750 professionals-not the bureaucrats-who megawatts of powrr and irrigates nine lakh consider the institute as their own and who acres which will bring a wealth of Rs. 500 thinks tbat he must work right from the crores per annum from agriculture apart morning till the evening and not from 10 am from the industries based on 750 MWs of to S pm and appointments are made solely power. on tbe basis of merit and not on political considerations, the generation of wealth by the public sector would be much more than Sir. while decidina these things, tbe the Rs. 8683 crores as shown in the Budact. Central Government must think of generation Over Rs. 40,000 crores have been invested of wealth which is very essential and not the in the bubli.c sector and if these were to petty differences or the mislikes wrona acnerate surplus on per with Bood private policies of some State Governments, tbe &eCtor, the ills of inflation, deficit budsct etc. wrong policies of tbe State Governments should not come in the way of generation of MR. CHAIRMAN : Please now concluoc. wealth. I would request the Government to take all these aspects into consideration. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI: He is Real generation of wealth is dODe by cleariDI making good 8uuestions. Please sive him sucb important projects. some more time.

MR. CHAIRMAN: AU mombers arc Thank you very much, Sir. makiol 800d su_estions. But our time is limited. MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Hannan SHRI K. S. RAO: 1 can UDdcfstand Mollah. your party bas, in fact. 00 time Jeft. 'bat tbousands of ~rores of tupce& ate beina Please tl')' to bo vefJ brief. is! i986-81-Gen. Di,.

SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH (UJuberia): which tbe beteJ·lear growers are facinl" Mr. Chairman, Sir, at this fag eod, I have There is DO proper transport available for Dot much time to speak. I want to make transportation of betel-leaf which is a only a few points. Firstly, in the economic bigbly perisbabJe commodity. There should review, it bas been accepted tbat because of be proper transport available to them. the wrong pricing pol icy adopted by tbe Government has also failed to explore the Government, regarding agricultural produces, possibility of exporting betel-leaf to other various imbalances are tbere. DistortioDs countries. I urge upon tbe Government to are emerging in the cropping pattern. The give these growers a proper price. to develop qriculturists are not getting remunerative proper transport and also to expJore the prices for most of the produces like cotton, possibility of export of bete, .. J~af to otbcl susar cane wbea t and paddy. ) want to countries. mention two of the products of my State West Bengal and the Eastern Region, Assam and someother parts also. First, I want to The next J')Oint I want to make is mention about jute. You know, Sir. jute regarding this Budget. Much bas been said is a very important produce. It bring good about increased allocations to anti-poverty foreign exchange for our country. As we programmes. 1 would like to point· out tbat produce jute in our State aod Assam aod there is only manipulation and juggJery of some otber places, we sacrifice a Jot of land figures here. It is c1aimed that tbe allocation for, we cannot produce rice etc. EarlIer tbe for rural development has been increased by arrangement was quite different. The jute 6S per cent. But they are comparing it price will be ooe and a half time more than with tbe Jast year's budget estimates. I( tbe price of rice. But DOW, unfortunately tbey compare it with the last year's revised tbe prices of jute are going down and down estimates, the increase is only 22 per cent. and the peasants \1tho are producing jute They are saying from roof-tops that they are going poorer and poorer. Tbe jute have done this miracle. Even this 22 ptr cent producers are severely exploited and this increase will be negated by the price-rise. question should be taken into account. They are only trying to befool and hoodwink Sir, the farmers, who are growing jute, are tbe people. They are shouting aU these demanding alleast Rupees fJOOj - per quintal things from bouse .. tops. I want to tell tbem but tbe Government is not agreeing to live that tbey canno~ befool all the people for all them more than Rs. 225/- per quintal. tbe time.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Tbe demand is reasonable. Regarding RLEGP. tbe actua, increase is only 4.45 per cent when you compare it with tbe revised estimates of Jast year. It SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: Sir, the bas been increased from Rs. 606 crores to Government Should accept this reasonable Rs. 636 crores ; tbe increase is only about demand and tbe jute prices should be settled 4.5 per cent. But they are shoutioS from accordinaly; otherwise it will ereate house-tops tbat they have increased the problems, for our jutc industry. In tbat allocations so much for anti-unemployment way. it will create a problem for our foreian programmes. exchange earniug.

Tbe secoDd tbing I want to mcntion is Regarding NREP also, it is known for abou~ betel leaves. In Welt Denial aod its notoriety for pilferage and misuse. Assam, wae portioD of land is used for They spend the money through contracton ; produciDI betale leaves. Tbc betel-leaf a lot of money is consumed by tbe middle­ Browe" are faciDI serious pr~blems. The men and tbe benefits do not reach the poor. total production of betel-leaf 10 our country This point bas been raised from both sides is to the t~e of Rs. 450 crores. About 1S of tbe House. laths famijies are directl" cDlascd in betel­ leaf productioD, and in tbe business all B.caardiDa unemployment, the Dumber of over the country lakba of people are the fIIisterod unemployed is a bout COPied. But tbeto arc 80 man), problema ~t'S.OOtOOO. In tbe last one year bow maD)' 283 General Built', MARCH 12, 1986

(Shri Hannan Mo11ab] salary? A ro we paying them eoouah? If people have got tbe jobs, we do Dot know; we look at thinls practically we will find Government bas no proper figures regarding tbat today to have an income of at least Rs. 4000 a mooth is not a luxury; but it is a tbis. necessity. The Hon. Finance Minister bas given some r~ lief on tbe standard deduction So. this Budget is not helping the and I cODgratula te him for that. But this peasantry, it is not helping tbo poor. relief is not enough. We have to see tbat Ultimately tbis Budget will create unprece­ at least Rs. 48000 a year is a tax-free income. dented unemployment in the coming year; then only we will see a cultural change in it will create inflation and will throw a larger our country. burden on the common people. It will perpetuate illiteracy in our country and the people will have to remain under eternal The other point that I want to make is poverty. They are shouting so much about about the anti poverty programme. A lot anti- poverty programmes, but this Budget of Members have expressed their reserva .. will only land the counto into perpetual tions about it. We come out with very poverty, perpetual illiteracy aod unpreceden­ good scbemes, we come out with very good ted unemployment. I condemn this Budget programmes; but what about tbe implemen­ and I oppose it. tation of these programmes? Unless the Government develops a proper feed back system by which we can monitor the SHRI SALEEM 1. SHERV ANI (Budaun): programme, get the feed back from the Mr. Chairman, Sir. 1 rise to support the people for whom tbese programmes are Union Budget for 1986-87 presented by the meant, we will not get the true picture. We hone Finance Mioister. This Budget has win get only figures which will not reflect been well received by all sections the truth. of tbe society with only a slight reselvation about the uncovered deficit. I would request tbe hon. Finance Minister to We claim that so many people have give bis clarification on that so that this been benefited by these programmes; but doubt is also removed. when we talk to these people, when we go to our constituencies, we find what tbey This Budget provides further thl ust to are not even aware of these programmes. anti· poverty programmes, promotes self· This causes a lot of problrms. The reliane and gives relief to the common man. Government bas a lot of macbinery. I This Budget also shows consistency with find that they have an Information Officer liberalisation of the economy and in almost all tbe districts. Why can 9 t our also With the long.. term fiscal policy. programmes be cyc10styled and sent to It also proposes to promote the development each and every Village Pradban, so tbat tbe of indigenous technology and indigenous people are aware of what the Government research. I am sure that jn times to come wants to do for them 1 our country will benefit a Jot. A lot of Members have spoken on all the aspects of Lastly, Sir, I would like to make a point tbe budget. I would just like to keep my on th~ MODVAT. This is a new scbeme stattment very sbort-to just two or tbree which tbe Government is introducing This points. scbeme will help in controllio& prices at the conSumer level and needs all the Our Government stands committed to encouragement that it should get. But root out corruption. But bas the Finance there is a slight confusion, about this Minister or tbe HOD. Finance Minister MODVA T scbeme. 1 feel tbat tbo HOD. carried out an exercise to see why is rbere Finance Mjnjster shoutd sive directives to all corruption? Wba t are we paying the the Excise Department in every tOWD to )I people' What are the benefits that the explain this scheme to the people who are people are enjoying? If we Jook at the gains to benefit by this-the small and tbe salaries of tbe middlo class or tbe Govern­ large industries. The MODVAT scbeme will Plent employees, wbat is tbcir take bome decreuc the cost of tbe final product tbroUJh PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (SAKA) tbe availability of instant credit or tbe duties path. Botb tbe Congress party and the paid on the inputs and consequential reduc­ Congress Government are proud tbat tbey tion of the interest costs. MODV AT should bave built a strong public sector cspeciaJly beDeftt both the consumer aod the exporter in the key sectors of the economy. The aod is certainly a more scientific way of people of this country know tbis. The taxiDI goods. I would like to thank you smoke screen spread by the Opposition couJd for tbe opportunity that you gave me. I am not mislead the people of this country. also proud tbat I could beat the ben. The hone Minister bas correctly put it MR. CHAIRMAN : Since you told that and I quote: you would take only a sbort time" I did not riDa tbe bell. "Public sector has a key role in bringing about the transformation of our economic SHRI T. BASHEER (CbirayinkU): Sir, structure. " with great pleasurse I support the budget. I also take tbis opportunity to congratulate He continues further : tbe Minister for thiq marvellous work. "There are also a number of public This budget bas proper direction aod enterprises wbose losses bave become a perspective. Opposition would not agree drain on the resources of the nation." to it. As usual they have criticised it. criticised the Hon. Minister, the budget and Tbe bon. Minister has also said that the Government. Government will be taking steps to improve the situation. Here I would like to say tbat much bas been said in tbe past also about Due to lack of time I am Dot going into improvement in the efficiency and producti­ all these tbinas. When I see the attitude of vity of the public sector but the result bad the oPflosition I am reminded of a not been satisfactory. We ha~e to do a Jot. Malaya)am poem. It can be translated Radical changes are required to improve the like tbis : situation. The management of tbe public sector should be accountable for results. "Even in the mammory glands. full of milk, Sir, the second aspect I would like to The mosquitos prefer the blood touch is about aoti-povert)' programme. As rather than the sweet milk. H already much bas been said on this topic I would not go into tbe details but I want to Sir, I would like to confine myself to say that the 20-point programme is the mq"a two.tbree important aspects of the Badget carta of the poor people of this country. presented by the bon. Minister. Firat.8s We want to reiterate our commitment to my colleagues have repeatedly said it Jays great lodiraji's war against povert,. It is stress 00 tbe public sector. Last year after this context that tbere is great emphasis in tbe Budget our Opposition friends criticised the Budget on 8oti-pt'verty proaramme. It it as pro-rich, anti-public sector and a is a welcome meastlre. ' The Budget envisages deviation from our commitmen t to Socialism schemes and programmes for urban poor. and so on and so forth. 17.00 hrs. Sir, the fundementals of our social and economic stratcsy were laid down by The next point tbal I would like to Panditji and lndiraji. Our commitment to make and on wbich a serious discussion haa that stratclY bas been cODsistent. We bave taken place in this HOUle the other day is to build an Independent and modem tbat some States are not utilizing tbe economy. Self-reliance is our objective. allocations made for anti-poverty This could be accompUshed only throup proarammes. There bas been shortfall in plaDnina. Tbe CODIre8S and the Conaress expenditure aplnst tbe total outlay for tbil. Ooverpmcnt bave never waivcrcd from Ibis U is veq

(Shri T. Basbeer1 I have received a repl, to my Unstafred must Jook into this matter.. monitor these Question OD 25th February, 1986 from tllo programmes and keep a vigilance regarding Government that there is no proposal under implementation of these anti-poverty consideration to let up any heavy industry unit in tbe State duriol tbe 7th Plan. is programmes. Jt vcry distressioa and disturbiDa. The tradjtional industries of Kerala like coir. Lastly, 1 come the approach for making catbow and bandloom are in the doldrums., proposals for raising the revenue in tho I would draw the attention of the Government budaet. In tbis budlet presented by the to come forward and help these sectors. hOD. Minister, tbe burden falls on tbe aftluent society. Nobody will ssy that a budget witbout any taxation is the best Thousands of our youngmen are workin. budget only because tbere is no taxation. in tbe Gulf countries. Now, tbe situation But wbat is tbe taxatioD meant for, that is is ta1cina a new turn. The remittance from the important question. To carryon the those working in the Gulf countries was at business of the Government, taxation is one stage more tban tbe State reveftue per required. That is true.. but tbere is also year. But DOW tbe Gulf boom is over. Tho a social obligation in raising the resources. exodus back home has begun. This will in imposing the taxes. What is tbat? I bave serious repercussions on tbe economy would say tbat it is to prevent disparity of the State. So, I would plead with tbe between tbe rich and the poor. That is the Minister to take necessary steps immediately. social obligation. I, therefore, congratulate tbe Finance Minister for that approach in SURI DIGVIJAY A SINGH (Rajgarb) : tbis budaet. I would be happier if in the Sir, I stand up to welcome tbe budget coming years this approach is strengthened presented by the bon. Finance Minister. Sir, furtber io the budget. I hope tbat tbe we have lived upto tbe promises tbat we Government will certaing move forward in made to tbe electorate. We have said tbat tbat direction. we shaH not tax the poor and Jower middJe class. And we have not taxed them. For Now, I come to one or two points tbe first time, urban poor, such as cobblers. relating to tbe problems of my state. I rickshaw pullers, washer men, porters, will be failing in my duty if I do not touch sweepers, barbers, hawkers, etc. have also upon the serious problems of my State, been included in the ambit of financial aid. Korala. Kerala bas limited land area of We should be very careful because there 39.000 SQ. kms. Tbis. narrow strip of may be a flood of beneficiaries asking (or beautiful and fertile land produces commo­ to tbe implementing agencies, so that tbe dities like tea, coffee, cardamom and other poorest of tbe poor are chosen and tbe plantation crops and earns a lot of foreign scheme should be well thought of and well exchange. I am not going into the details structured also. of fate of our cultivators, because that bas already been hiahligbted by other Members. Kerala bas areat potentials for development 17.06111'8. of materials and human resources which remain untapped. (SHRI ZAINUL BASHER In the Chair]

The per capita Central investment in 6S per cent of iocrease in the anti­ industry in tbe State is very low. The poverty programmes is another promise problem of educated unemployed in the wbicb we have fulfilled. We bave also . State is acute. Tbe figure of educ'lted fulfilled our promise with retard to tbe uoemployeea stands at a stagerina fiaure of lodira Awas Yojana for the Scheduled Caltes 23 latbs. Kerala is a Stato which is and Scheduled Tribes.. But regardiol tbe itldostrially very backward. There is no scbe~e pertainiog to the State Governments. beavy industry uait in public sector except we should be careful and we should see to tbe RMT Unit at Kalamassery. There is no it that it is fairly ftexibJe so 8S to suit the major railway iodaatrial establisbment oor livin. cooditiool of a parti~"a .. St•• or It aD1 or4lD'Q~ r.. cto~ patticullw -rea. PRALGUNA 21. 1907 (88.4)

'We have allO broopt in a scheme for allo like to mention that there are a number' accident insurance to municipal sweepers of uneconomic public sector enterprises iD aDd portera. Concessions to labour bave the country, whose functioning need. to be been provided. There bas been an increase looked into. We should take clear cut· in tbe rate of interest on the GPF. We decisions to close down all these unecom~ , bave also liven concessions to fixed income units. groups. 'Cheaper foodgrains are being provided to the tribals and this is ODe tbe most important things and we congratulate Purchase of machInes and material is our Primo Minister who bas fu16lJed his one of tbe greatest sources of corruption in promise. the public sector enterorises and this bas to be closely SClutinised. In tbe last year'. Budget, the rationalisation of tbe direct taxes - Wo have also promised tbat ours would was done and this bas contributed to a very be a Government tbat works faster. By large extent in the realisation of tbe higher showing S per cent arowtb in 0 NP, 7 per revenues. I feel that you have gjven a cent growtb in industrial production, 1 S per concession to' tbe fixed income groups by cent growth in thermal power generation, 9 increasing the limit of standard deduction per cent growth in railway freigbt, 10 per from Rs. 6,000 to Rs. 10.000. I feel that cent growth in coal Productlon~ 22 per cent this should be given to the self-employed increase in tax collection, incrtase in tbe people also. There was a promise made in plant load' factor of tbe NTPC tbermal the last Budget speech that the non-plan "lant, etc. are an indication that here is a expenditure would be cut down, but we see Government that works faster. that it has been increased by Rs. 2463 crores which proved to be determentaJ in our last But tbe most disappointing features of year's economy_ I propose tbat the Finance the last year's Budget has been the poor Minister should corne about with a ftat cut response from tbe pub1ic sector. It was of 5 per cent in aU the non-plan expen­ promised that the resources from tbe public diture of all the Departments. if he doe. sector will be about 53 per cent and tbe that the total deficit of the Budget would be remaining 47 per cent from tbe Budget. reduced to half. The major contributors in But was see in 1985-86 that only 34 per cent tbe non .. plan Budget is subsidy to tbe feed is comiDg from the public sector whereas 66 and fertilizer sectors. The efficient of tbe per cent bas to be fulfilled through the Food Corporation of India and tbe fertilizer Budget. This n8 turally puts a severe projects of this co un try bas to be improved constraint on the budgetery system and a so tb.t the subsidy component could be very serious look into tbe public sector reduced. I am sur-: some exercise must working is called for by the Government. have been done by the Minister t but at the same time, a very serious look bas to be made.. Sir, wasteful expenditure should be There an imbalance in tbe foreign trade and curbed in tbe public sector enterprises. I would request the Finance Minister to have . Performance of all the public sector units a look at tbe import policy and to see which have a tum over of more tban Rs. SOO whether we have to import technolos)' of crores should be discussed in Parliament. conlumer and luxury items or not. We . It bas been the practice tbat tbeir performance should be careful in our import policy 10 is discussed in the Parliament, but there are that tbe foreign trade imbalance is not. so many enterprises in our country on which create. there is no serious debate in tbe Parliament. Therefore,· I would request our Finance Minister and our Prime Minister tbat a1l Sir, agriculture is ODO ·of the major.' public sector enterprises with' a turn over of sector of our GNP. There it haa to be more tbah 500 crores of rupees sboukl be iocreased. In tbe production of oilseed.,. dJ.cUlsed in tbe House of ParUa~ent 80 tbat pulses and lu,arcanc, the import bilJ 'hould tbedr acts of omilsion and commission are be reduced. The biasest incentive to the, diacuased tbrough1y an" the ma~aler8 and farmer is tbe Price incentive. I wowd, tsars of the public Mletcr enterpriaes are request the boo. Financo Minister aDd- tho l bJ'Ou,bt to b9oJt. At t~e ... time~ I w~nll~ ~o~. frim, ~iD~'or. if tbe, w.~ ~ ~IP"·~ 291 Gtt,,~'al Bullet. MAltCH 12, 1986 1986·81--G~". bl8. 292

[Shri Digvijaya Singh] recommend tbat tbe strong action taken in the cropping pattern, a definite price aaainst all these perS(.IDS should ae mote incentive to the farmer for tbat particular striolent. crop to be given if you want tbe import bill to be reduced. I welcome the Budget. And I tbank you for the opportunity given to !DC.

Now, a special scheme for soyabeen (Tranl/atlon) production in Madhys Pradesh was given. I want thut to be continue in the industrial SHRIMOHD.MAHFOOZALIKHAN . sector also. If you see that Budget. a very (Etab): Mr. Chairman, Sir, Is Shri Bairagi marginal percentage bas been given to the present in the House? When the hon. village and cottage industries which give the Finance Minister had presented the Budget maximum employment in this country. I in the House, be had quoted an urdu would request you to raise the budgetary couplet. I would like to reply back in prOVISIons of the cottage and village verse, I would like to read an urdu couplet industries so that it can be improved. The subsidy given to the lat ge and medium Bahut Shot SUI te the Pahlu Mein DII Kat industries also, a very close look bas to be made so that the benefits of budget do not Jo Chira to Ek Korra KhoolJ ka NikkI". go to the large and medium industries. They should be given to· the cottage and The same is true about this Budget. I have village industries. quoted tbis, becau~e there has been much din about Budget for the last two or tbree days . (Interruptions) I propose, an increase in the K VIC Budget also. But at the same time, very SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA close monitoring bas done in the KhQdi pro­ (Robol'tsganj): How can )'ou say tbat ? d uction because the subsidy has been mis­ utilised by giving higher figures ~f (/nlerrqplions) production. [English] In conclusion, I would say that the hOD. Prin1e Minister in his historic speech in He cannot say that, because here is 8 Bombay had challenged the nexas of the Minister taking down notes ..... corrupt three in the country-the corrupt businessmen, the corrupt bureaucracy [Translation] and the so caned power broker. By the actions in the followin~ months. he' SHRI MOHD. MAHFOQZ ALI KHAN: bas shown his will to act against the nexas Kindly listen to me first. You get immidia .. of the corrupt three. I strongly welcome tely provoked as soon as you hear a couplet•. the action taken against the big houses. You will get blessings at the end. Regardina 1 would conclude, but at the same time, I Budget I had only to submit that everyone would request that harassment by the lower bas expressed his own view about it. What­ officials, businessmen or for that matter any ever one thinks or feels, be expresses it in person shou1d be curbed so that the honest that way. To my mind tbis Budget is a effort which the Prime Minister is making mere formality. In fact the Budget waa to curb the blackmoney a nd taking action presented much earlierIt when the die6CI. ' against the hoarders and the profiteers is pc=tro) and frrtiliser prices where hiked. I taken in the right direction. There is a fail to understand as to wby the prices of very powerful lobby in this country which is petrol, diesel, fertiliser and medicines were trying to scuttle the move made by tbe hon. hiked prior to tbe Budget? Tears bavo Prime Minister and t he Finance Minister. been shed and now this is mere consolation. We have to fight it out, and tbe masses today have to fight this battle. There should be SHRI RAM PY ARE PANIKA: Thit no compromise at any levt), I strongl), is mere eye-WIsh. PHALOUNA 21, J901 (StiKA) 1986-87-Gen. Dis. 294

SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOZ ALI KHAN: The work on the railway line which was Yes, it is just an eye·wasb. You are being constructed in the area has come to a sitting in this House. Kindly go and visit standstill. If it is extended it can improve your constituency and see for yourself as to the situation there and benefit tbe district. what is bappenning there .. (Interruption.J) There is DO Government corege, no good hospital and no industry in the area.

When Dutt was the MR. CHAIRMAM: Kindly let him Sbri Narayan Tiwari Chief Minister of the State. be convened a speak. Mohd. Mahfooz Ali Khan Sahib nleeting on 16.6.85 in Efah district and pro­ why are you discussing it with them. You posed to set up a spinning mill there. Now address me and not them. tbat spinning mill is not being set up there whereas it should have been set up. Instead of setting it up in the most backward alea SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZ ALI KHAN: of the district, it is b~ing set up in a better Mr. Chairman, Sir, for examining a bndget, off area. we have to see it from maoy aogles. This is a deficit Budget. It is therefore but natural for the Government to levy taxes to I think it should have been set up in raise the resources and to cover the deficit. Aliganj area, which is tbe nlost backward The Government bas levied taxes in such a and crime prone area in my Constituency. way which has benefited the industrialists. Instead of that, the Congress MLA is trying You only look towards towns and cities. his level best to set it up in his own I request you to see the plight of those Constituency. There is need to see it in women in the rural areas who deJive r the proper perspective. children on the foot paths, do not have much to eat or cover their bodies. Those The Ganga flows through our district. wbo speak he,..:. they should visit their There is need for a bridge on it to link constituencies and only tben will they come Badaun to Etah. I, therefore, request the to know about criticism. The criticism of Government to make provision for it in the Budget is not going on in aeroplanes, hut current Budget. This would help in pro­ it is going on at tea-stal1s at railway stations viding a link between Badaun and Etah. and in the railway compartments. It is This bridge should be constructed at Kadar beiDg criticised by those who are badly Cbowk or Kadarganj. affected by it This Budget does not have anything special and instead it bas been SOME HON. MEMBERS: We support ~ prepared keeping in view the Congress party's tbis proposal. manifesto. There is nothing else in it. Much bas been said about it from both the sides, opposition as wen as tbe ruling party SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOZ ALI KHAN: have given statistics to support their view I will also not let you speak when it is your points, but I would not like to repeat it. turn. When you speak, we remain silent. I would like to submit that our hone Finance Minister-who bas been an ex-Chief MR. CHAIRMAN Why are you Minister of Uttar Pradesh-had launched a wasting your own time ? campaigD to liqudate dacoits and goondas from Btab district. No doubt he was successful in liquidating many notorious SHRI MOHD. MAliFOOZ ALI KHAN: dacoits and goondas, but has be ever tried I woul;! like to say a few words about anti­ to find ou t tbe reasons as to why so many poverty programme. Is the 20-point YOUDI men take to dacoity and aoondaism proaramme being implemented in Jetter and in tbis area? Why is it a poor and back­ spirit? The brokers are pocketing the ward district? Etah is the most backward money advanced by tbe banks to the poor. district in Uttar Pradesh. Neither any The entire loan goes into their pockets and attcntlon bas ever been paid to it Dor any the poor is deprived of it. The corruption provision been made in tbis Budaet lor this is so deeprooted and has crossed all limits diatriot. that at times aDO wonders whotber there Ii MARCH 1~. 1986

, 'tslari Mohd. Mabfooz Ali Khan] eome employment for them. Our hon. " any Government in the country at all or Qot? Finance Minister bas taken due care of tbem. 'Tbere is no limit to corruption among These proarammes are very useful for our subordinate staff and employees. There is rural development. Schools and hospital an uraent need to improve the prevailing buUdinls are constructed aDd new libraries situation. arc opened uDdor these programmes. These are very welcome mOlsur",. SOMB HON. MEMBERS : We support even that. Such steps have been taken in this budget which will minimise lbe cases of tax evasion and . increase the Government revenue SHill MOHD. MAHFOOZ ALI KHAN: wilJ I will not add much to this and request the for which I thank the hOD. Finance Minister. 'Government to pay heed to. what I have said. There is no sugar factory in Btab Sir, my constituency is a very backward district. I do not know as to what I should and famine prone area. Eighty per cent draw the attention of Goverornent as there people in my constituency are farmers. Hon. is Doting in my district? The hone Finance Finance Minister has taken so many measures Minister win arrive just now and say : for the farmers in this budget for which be deserves appreciation. I would like to sub­ Fakirana Aaye. Sada K"r Chale mit tbat today Indian farmers are in sreat difficulty. Prices of all the agricultural Mtyan Khush Ra/ro, Hum Dua Ka, Chale. products which are produced by tbe farmers. are fixed by tbe purchasers, wbereas indus­ He will sa, this and return back. trialists tbenlselves fix tbe prices of their products. I, therefore, suggest that cost of SHRI NARENDRA BUDANIA (Churu) : agricultural products should be fixed on the Mr. Chairman, Sir, I tbank you rar Bivina basis of agricultural product and cost of me an Opportunity to take part in the production. General D.iscussion on Budget. This is my maiden speech as 1 have recently been elected Sir, today. there is no industry in our to the House. area. which might contribute for its develop­ ment. Our area is the most backward area J rise to welcome and support the in Rajasthan. If one Fertilizer Industry is 1986-87 Budget that has been presented by established there. unemployment will be tbe hone Finance Miniftter in this House. It removod and people will also get some work. is a very balanced Budget. Tbe Budget fully meets the expectations of the people for I do not want to meke a lengthy speech wbich I tbank and congratulate him. Pro­ but I would like to submit that our farmer. posals and programmes contained in the should make prOll'esl and should increase Budget will take our country forward on the agricultural produclion. For tbis purpose, path of progress. I would like to fhink our cost of agricultural inputs should be reduced .. young Prime Minister on behalf of poor With a view to help increase tbe aaricultural people of our country, for such a fine and production, more and more Agricultural balanced Budget presented under his leader .. Engineers should be produced and for.·this ship. Provision bas been made in the purpose qricuJtural Engineering ColJeses Budget for National Rural Employment Pro­ should be opened. I would like to lugest gr1i mme and Rural Landless Employment tbat my area is a very backward area and Guarantee Programme whkb arc such tbere is no Engineering College, and hence a programmes which will take our country provilion sbould be made in the· Budaet to towards prosress. open an En.inccriDs coli. there.

In our country 80 per cent of our popu­ Just now one of my friends )1ad laid lation is Jiving in villages and they also about water supply projects. I would' like expect development of their villalos aDd tho to say that in Rajasthan, Nature and God rural poor who are landless also expect alio make pJanniDa alODpitb GOVerDlDOIl'. . • When God desir~s. then only there is rain. sibilities. Before criticising otbers, one Tbe area bas been stricken by famine conti­ should see as to what be is doing ? nuously for the last four years. Farmers and labourers arc greatly distresstd tbere. Scarcity of water is a main problem before This Budget will improve the condition of tbe poor. Schedule Tribes and other back­ tbom. Even Drinking Water is Dot available to them. I would like to tell you about the ward classes. Upliftment of tbe downtrodden was a goal of our late Prime Minister Mrs. condition in my own cODstituency and also about my own native villaac that water is Indira Gandhi. Our young Prime Minister Sbri has tak~1l steps to provide Dot fit for drinking. This problem can be Rajiv Gandhi clean administration to the country and to solved only when water from Jndira Gandhi eladicate poverty_ Special targets have been Canal is supplied to my area. A number of fixed in the Budget for the development of driDkina water supply schemes have beeD tbe rural poor and backward people. formulated which are pending with the Government. I would like to request througb you, Sir, that sanction ma)' be Sir, I wish to draw the kind attention of accorded to a.ll such schemes in this Budget the present Minister that be shouJd feel his so that dl inking water problem could te reFponsibility and all the programmes solved. included in the budget should be fully imple­ mented by brinSing about coordination among various Government departments and There should be more provision for lift Government officers. He sbould realise his irrigation schemes. J would like to thank responsibility towards implementation of you for giving nle an opportunity (0 speak these programmes. and I also congratulate tbe Finance Minister for presenting Budget in consonance with expectations and wishes of \. be pe~ple. I want to say that we sbould not only depend upon this budget that we have pre­ pared very Mood Budget, but we should pay SHRI RAHIM KHAN (Faridabad): attention towards basic things as welJ" which Mr. Chairman, Sir, I support the Budget are so essential for the country. Agriculture presented in the House, I welcome the Buds':t is the base of our country. Eighty per cent and thank the hon. Finance Minister and of our population i& cngased in agricultural HOD. Prime Mini.:;ter Shri Rajiv Gandhi for work, in wbicb labourers are also included. presenting such a fine Budget aod giving Agriculture is the foundation of our country's special importance to take forward tbe economy, hence we should pay special country towards 21 st century. Before, I attention towards it. speak on the Budget I would like to give reply to Mr. Mabfoozji : Farmer produces foodgrains, but he gets a very little share of its cost. Farmer pro­ & Kh"daa Ne Aajlak "s KOllm ki haalot 1tahin bad/e. duces the grains, but its cost is fixed by others, whereas for other products in the Na Ho JI\ko Akal Ap'" Ap Apnl!e Hafllat country, the prices arc determined by the RQdoln~ ft.i. producers themselves. This is a areat cons­ piracy aaainst the landlords and cultivators, OUf opposition friends, who are com· I want that landlords may Dot be ignored pletely defeated and demoralised. are now On the other band, cost of farm machinarl making noise to distrub peace in tbe country: and implements used for agricultural work has gone up by IS to 16 times in the reccn No Samjhole .,f. Ht"do,tan Wolo ttl mit past. I want that cost !)f such thinss shou)e jaog,. be reduced. Previously DT.. 14 Tractor wa: marketed in India which was quite' cheap 7ilmhari i)altclft Tok Bhl Nohlft Hagi but now its sale baa been stopped. I requft DaJta"on MaIn. that it, import may again be allowed or it . factory iD 'collaboration with USSR may' b Keeping in view the prevailing circumstances set up in India. Such a factory rnn y be se qf tbe cOUDley, yon should f~1 )'our respon- 'Up iD a .blCkward :.r08, 10 tba t people 0 ," ":;. MARCil 12. 1986

[Shri ~ 'Rahim Khan) legislation only millionaires and multi­ that area may get employment in that unit. millioDaries are able to obtain permit for In my view there are certain shortcomings petro) pump and gas agency or it is given to in the Budget which may put the poor, some barijans and rich persons get it from. Labourers and small industries into losses tbem. Licences and permits should be freely and towards this fact I would like to draw available to all so that tbe unemployed the attention of the hOD. Minister. For youths may also get them. Permit for mini example excise duty has been imposed ~n the buses sbould also be given to tbese unem· Portable Typewriters and as a result. its ployed persons. This will help in removing price has gone up from Rs. 2,200 to Rs. unemploymen t. 2,700. In the matter of education. there is wide gap between village and city. In tbe cities a Whenever a residentia,l colony is planned number of English medium schools are beiDI in cities) plans are prepared for the provision opened. ]f some Engineering CoJlege is of facilities of electricity, water supply and opened in the village, tbe state Government sewerage. But when rural labourers come does not grant recognition to it. For to cities. their huts are dismantled. What I example, a Muslim Engineering ColJege it meen to say is that a great difference has functioning in ~ eerut District in which 900 been created between rural and the urban students are receiving education. It has Dot peop;e. In rural areas there is no arrang~­ been granted recognition by the State ment of electricity. water and sewerage. If Government for the last two years. There drinking water facility has been provided at should be no difference in the education some places, no drainage system has been provided in the viIJage and in the city. The developed there. BeCatlSe of this slush is standard of education in villages and cities formed in the villages. In the absence of shou Jd be the same. Also the syllabus lavatory system in the big villages, the should be the same in the entire country, women folk have to face great difficulty. So Earlier the country was divided in various sewerage system should be provided in small States on tbe basis of language and now a as well as big viflages. Atleast in small new class of LA.S. bas come up which does viJIages, four walls should be constructed On not want to (ntertain the poor. If there is the side of the village so that the women folk difference in the education being providtd in may defecate there. One feels great shame villages and cities, a new Cadre or c1a~s will at th~ sight of women defecating on the sides come up in the country and the poor man of the roads. The Harijans (Baln1ikis) will continue to remain backward. The should be allowed to let loose animals there village win also not be able to make any at a fixed time so that they may clean up progress. This difference si.ould be done the area. Tbere steps should be taken in away with. respect of villages. .. With these words I convey my thanks to So far as the schemes for granting Joans, you for giving me an opportunity to speak. twenty point programme and other pro .. grammes are concerned, injustice has been CH. SUNDER SINGH (Phil1aur) : Mr. m c:ted out to the villages. Corruption is Chairman, Sir, I convey my thank~ to YOU prevalent in every department. The villagers for givinS mo an opportunity to speak. Tbis do not get loans easily. This should be is pro-poor and pro-farmer Budget. 1 his looked into, Budget takes care of the interest of small scale industries and other people. There is Under the employment schemes for tbe no doubt that this Budlet contains the umemployed youth. loans are provided to philosophy of Mahatma Gandhi. R,1jiv tbem, but actually they, do not reach them. Gandhi and Pandit Jawabar Lal Nehru. This should be looked into. Besides Joans, Pandit JawabarJaJ Nehru had said :- permits eic. for the mini buses should be (English] given to them. Permits for petrol pumps and gas agencies should be -given to the I trust that tbe areattst and the most peral public as woll. UDder the pr_DC important quOttioD in JDdie toda)' ia bow 'Q PHALGUNA 2t. 1907 (SAKA)

solve tbe problem of the poor and the :rhe benefits of all the programmes which deserving. Wherever we tum, we are COD­ are formulated by you are not passed on to froDted with tbis problem. If we cannot the poor. All tbe programmes which arc solve tbis problem soon, our paper consti­ formulated for the poor with a view to tution will remain useless and purposeless. remove poverty are actually not implemented . fully. Why do such programmes remain Wbat he said is relevant today. as it was incomplete? The leason is that the officers employed in various Departments jeopardise relevant tbeD. them. People come to me and I go to tbe Minister with tbeir complaints. Tbe Ministers make their comments on them. but no action is taken on them. There is such It has been said about Rajivji in tbis a deplorable condition' in all the Departments. Budget- The schemes are not implemented in tbe rucl1) areas where tbe poor are living. The rEtllIl.. h) educated people who have been appointed as officers are adopting a very wroDg approach. Our Prime Minister. Sbri Rajiv Gandhi They do not Jvok to tbe problems seriously. reminded us Dot long ago ; - Even if a person goes to a Minister t no action is taken. From all this one comes to "Development must be accompanied by the conclusion that we do not have any c quity and social justice- by removal of leader today except Shri Rajiv Gandhi. Our social barriers tbat oppress the weak. one leadt'r was Dr. Ambedkar who is no This is the essence of our concept of more among us and our another leader is socialism·'. Shri Jagjivan Ram who bas joined tbat side. Now there is no body to listen to us. There These objectives have guided tbe formu­ is only one leader Shri Rajivji who can listen lation of this Budget. to us. When lndiraji was alive, she used to look after our iaterests, now except Shri Rajivji there is no body else who could listen (TrD1f8Iatlon) to our grievances. Even the Ministers do Hence, this Budget is a Budget for the not pay any attention to our complaints. poor and it is in the interest of all. I would Secretaries to Ministers do not fonow the like to draw your attention to what Mahatma directives of the Ministers. If there is an Gandhi has written: anti-Harijan incident" it is, of course recommended by them. Whenever a Harijan is harassed, be comes to me and I go to the [EngllJh] bigber authorities, but no actioD is taken. This system is not good. I fcc] very much "I was born. I do Dot want to be concerned about this system. This system reborn. If J have to be reborn. I should is required to be corrected. Earlier Shri be born as an untoucbable so that I can share the sorrow. sufferings affronted Jawahar Lal Nehru used to be our leader. I bad me~ bim and got the land allotted to upon them, I, therefore. pray that jf I Harijaos jn Punjab.Haryana. Now they can have to be reborn, I should not be born face any circumstances and any peopJe. as a Brahmana, Ksbatriya Vaishya or Wllosoever is tbe owner of the land. be Sudra but as Adisudra". wields tbe power and one who does not possess any land is very weak. It is at this [Tr"n.,latlon] point that our system has failed.

Therefore, this Budaet is a Budget for The Budget is all right. I am Dot spea­ the poor. king against tbe Budget. but we would be satisfied only when we would be baving a Amal Ie d"nla band hal Jannat ya Jahar."um feeling that actually we are having a leader. blal, We have only one leader today and nobody Y. -khaki tip,,; phllo'Q' hal, "0 "",, hal IItI else listens to us. I am goinl to finish :-.;1 IUd. witbio two or tbree minute,_ 303 O.".,al • .." MARCH 12. 19.6 reb. Sunder SioSb) tbo cODstruction of that bridle a180. preSODt There is democracy in our country today, road distance to 10 to Jammu and Kashmir but people are Dot allowed to express tbeir would be reduced by 100 miles. views. When the people from tbe other side criticise, tbey are asked not to interrupt. If (11llerruptlo",) these people do not criticise, how could tbere be improvement among us. Whenever [£",II.h] aoy person from that side speaks, Sbri Paoikaji interrrupts. This sbould not be You be or good cheer and believe tbat done. I do Dot say this. This bas been we are selected by the lord to do great tbiosa said b, Mahatma Gandhi :- and we will do tbem. Hold yourself in readiness. Be pure and holy. Love· for Jove·s sake. Love the poor, the miserable [English] and tbe down-trodden. God will bless you.

"Democracy is not a state in which people act like 3beep. Under democracy, [ Traft,latlo1lJ liberty of op inion and action is jealously guarded. I, therefore, believe that tbe I would aJso like to tell one thina that minority has perfect right to act diffe­ the people who want to sain at tbe cost of the society will not succeed. rently from the majority. ••••••••• (In",ruptlon,) Young I ndia. 2nd March, 1922".

fEngll.hJ [Tran&lallo,,] AU expansion is life, aU contraction i, In the ond, I would like to draw you death. An love is expansion, all selfishness attention to certain problems in my area. is contraction. Love is the only law of life. A survey for Sbri Hargovindpur Beas bridge bas been carried out and it bas been sanc­ He who loves, Jives. Who is selfish is tioned. but no allocation bas been made for dyina. Therefore, love for love's sake, its execution. With tbe construction of this because it is the only law of life. bridge, tbe distance between Hal'8ovindpur and Jalaodbar would be reduced by 100 - Vivekananda miles. Therefore, funds for this project should be sanctioned immediately. A second [ Tranllallon] bridle on t'le river SatJuj at a place betwe'!'D Rabon and Macbbiwara Road in Tehan The Harijans do Dot bave a bouse or a sbop Nawaosbahr (Jalandbar) is required to be or land or any other assets. He onl)' raises constructed. In case a bridge is constructed tbe slogeo of 'Bharat Mata Zindabad' •••... there, tben the distance to go to Ludbiana (Inte,ruptlo",) I thank you very much ror will be reduced by 100 miles and Military giving me an opportunity to speak. I could go to Naw.oshabr directly via Samael •• support tbis Budlet. As tbis bridle falls in the area of Hindu majority, it hal, thereof, not been constructed so far. I bad thQUlbt tb at when I would be SHRI GANGA RAM (Firozabad): elected as M.P., I would request the Central Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to support the Government to get it constructed, but it hal Budaet presented by tbe hone Finance Dot,.,.n cODstructed so far. Another bridge Minister. Just now, tbe bon. Memben s~1d be constructed at a place where at from our party as well as from tbe opposition least 100 vUlqes are cut off for a period of described the Budget as splendid. The tbree, months du"ina tbe rainy reason. Such reaSOD beiDg that tbe mind of our Finance a bridp .lhoQ'1d be constructed OD Ravi at Minister is very clear-uManasa Vacha viII.., Kitblaur in District Gurdaspur. KasmaDa." A, are hi' mind and word.. Tb,ore J. 9QC trib"tar, of riYW l\avi. Wi" '0 ,r, tail aQtiOQ,f. ft" ~or41 aa.d ."P.-' PHALGONA 21. 1907 (SAU) have beeo reflected in tbe Bud,.ot prescoted just like milkinB tho cow. It is very by bim. I congratulate bim for presentiog gratifyio, tbat the hone Finance Minist~r lucb a 100d Budget. The hOD. Members bas adhered to this principle IDd observed from our party have welcomed this Budget this rule. The people have not bccr;l burt open hearted}y whereas tbose from the as tbe hon. Members from tbe opposition opposition have shown some miserliness in made it out to be. this reprd. I oonlratu)ate the hOD. Finance Mini,tet for presenting such a fine budaet because when he bad announced the long Sir, the main point tbat I want to raise term fiscal policy, we bad an idea as to here is that two-three things have been left what would be tbe trend of the Budaot • out of this Budget to which I want to draw Ho deserves congratulations. because be bas the attention of the hOD. Minister. Land presented tbo Budget on those linel. After reforms have found no mention in any of having lone tbrough the Bud&et in depth. the two palts of tbis speech. Today. tbere one important tbing which I could make is a greater need to give tbought to land out from this Budget is tbat this is a reforms, we must ponder over it. We have socialistic budget. t4e reason beiDa tbat the said nothing about land ceiJiDI in the Budget. hone Finanoe Minister bas tried to give Similary. nothing bas been mentioned facilities to all classcs, such as, tbe rich -tbe about tbe housing sites tbat are given to capitalists, the poor and the middle class. tbe poor. Once I bad suggested to our chief Minister tbat 'Nazul' land lying vacant in urban areas should be distributed among Sir, we bave witnessed some uproarious tbe poor people for construction of houses scenes during the last few days because in tbe same way as land bas been distributed of rise in prices. I have just returned from among the poor Harijans in rural areas. my constitl1ency. There I asked the 1 request tbe bOD. Minister and tbe Central people wbetber tbe rise in price has burt Government as well to consider this point. tbem? Tbey replied that they bave been hit in one item only, Le. kerosene oil. It would have been betterthad tbe price of kerosene not been increased. The rest of tbe items have not hurt tbem. Therefore, I Sir, one thing I would like to tell tbis would request tbe hon. Finance Minister to ausust House and to the Government that do sometbing to reduce tbe price of on tbe one hand our party and tbe kerosene. Government are committed to the welfare of tbe poor, but implementation ~s Dot upto tbe mark. Right from the beginning Sir, J would coDgratulate the bon. Mahatma Gandhi awakened the society for Financc Minister that the taxes levied by the upJiftment of Harijans. We created him are very little. There is no escape from atmosphere to remove the sufferings of the taxes. But I would like tbe hone Minister tbese poor people, . Dr. Ambedkar rallied 8S well as this august House to remember the people to fight for their rights, OD tbe the following Urdu couplet of Anwar otber band, late Sbrimati Indira Gandhi Mir:Qlpuri :- implemented tbe great principles of tbesa two and today our country bas got the leadership of our present Prime Minister, Phool kuchch I, trah toil 01 btl6oo11 Shri Rajiv Gandhi under whose leadership Shuakh hlln~ 110 pay#! "0 awOl ho these programmes are being implemented Varna ,"Ilhan ".In rtlllno#: "0 phi" QY~ and be will see that these programmes are Dllgar har kaJl ka tkJllalja),tla. 'fully implemented because bis heart is full of compassion for the poor. Just DOW, Therefore, the taxes should be levied in Choudhary Sunder Singh bas read a part such a manner that they do not hurt one of English portioD of the Budaet speech and all. This is what cbanakya say •• tbis referring to tbe HOD. Prime Minister which is what kautilya saYI. Wben the taXes are bas been very well translated ipto llip4i, to be .evied on tbo people. tbo~ .~oul~ \)~ T}Ie Eaflisll version i, ; 307 General Bu.', MAltCR 12, 1986

[Sbd Ganga Ram] buft"alo, he issues ita receipt to aaotber· Development must be accompanied by person also who manag,. to let subsidy· on· equity and social justice-by removal of that receipt and the subsidy 10 received i& social barri=rs that oppress the weak. shared equally by both. Middlemcn and This is the essence of our concept of Commission aaents also have their sbares' socialism. in it. The entire society is respodsibll! for it. We told them that whom can we blame when the entire Jot is rottftl. 17.59 brs. Therefore, you r~consider tbe question of giving subs:dy. You give them intcrest [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER In the Chair) free Joan so that this system of subsidy is abolisbtd and tbe activities of the middlemen Here I am reminded of a poem of and commission agents could be brouabt Neeraj - to an end. Tbese middlemen are right from the Accountant to V L.W .• B.D.O, Har aankh yahan yoon 10 bah., rotl hal Tehsildar and Bank Manager aDd as Jonl har b()ond maga,. aahk nahin hOli hal as tbe loanee does not part with Rs. 1000/. out of a loan of Rs. 3000/-, he does not per dekh kar ro de }o jamalfe ka gum get money from the Bank. It is they who us aa"kh Sf! a(l"$OO jo glte, motl hal. suffer while getting 4 per cent D.R I. loans. The poor man thinks that be is getting a Jodging from the policies of our party and subsidy of Rs. 1000/-. but be gets only the attachment our Finance has with the Rs. 500/- and tbe remaining amount of Rs. poor, I am ruBy sure that the lot of the 500/- goes into the pocket of the middlemen. poor will improve.

You have also referred to! electrification 18.00 hr~. in the Budget Speech. You would nowhere find corruption as rampant as in el~trifica ... Exclusive paIagrapbs have b~en devoted tion. With regard to rural electrification. to the~e programmes in the Budget, it is seen very common.ly that tbouah tbe-' especially, National Rural Employment electri6cation of the entire vinage bas been Programme, Rural Landless Employment approved, yet only those who pay bride lot Guarantee Programme, Integrated Rural electricity connection. The samo is a Iso Development Programme and Indira Housing true about tbe tube· wells , Those \\bo pay Scheme for the scheduled castes and they bride get eltctricity connection for state will benefited from these programmts, I tube-wells in their area and tbose who do believe. Dot pay ilIesal gratification do not ,et connection. Tbis should be looked into. I want to raise another point before tbe House Recently, I bad attended 3·4 meetings You have also referred to drinkina of the Block Development Committee. AJJ water in the Budget. Out of 2.30,088' were unanimous on one point. The commi­ problem villages, you have alttady covered' ttees bad Harijan Gram Pradhans as well as ) ,92000 villages. Thus only 39,000 villages non-Harijan Gram Pradbans. Witb one are such wbleb you want to cover 'under voice, they said onJy one thing. I want to drinking water supply schemes. 10 this mention it, because our Minister of State connection, I must mention Bab, Jagner and in-charge of Banking js present here. Fatehabad areas of my constituency whele Banking system needs to be given a serious drinking water problem is very serious. In thought by this House also. tbe Jast session also, I bad told tbat Jalt year a tin of water was sold in JaaOtt for The system of subsidy introduced by Rs. S/-. Sinct the prices have risen npw, you is proving to be very agonising. It is 1 think durin. tbe ensuring summer .8IOD, aJso encouraging ccrl uptjon. The people a tin of water would cost af. 6 ~ or 7~ told us about a case where .. under a person Therefore, we: mtRt paY'·8ttenlioD to ~ak. ,akes Rs, 3,000{.. for tbe purchase: of , pro\lisiOll for suppl)' of drinking water. i986-87-·G~n. Dis. 3J6

Special instructions should be given to tbe compJaint bere. We should Dot sit late GO\lernment of Uttar Pradesh that tbe because we have been sitting without lunch­ funds which bave been allocated in this break also. re,ard should be most I y utllised in Alra and Ferozabad constituencies. SHRI GHULAM NABl AZAD: If they do not waDt to speak, I have no Some hoo. Members have riahtly said ohjection. Let them withdraw their names. tbat tbough our policies are very good, But if they want to speak. than tbe time of but these are not beiDa implementins the House should be extended. properly. Those who arc implementing the policies of the Government, their intentions MR. DEPUTY .. SPEAKER: ShaH we arc cot good and because of this there is eXlended by one bour? Whatever may be wide ... l;pread cor.ru-ption and the administra .. have bappened, whether justice was done or tjon gets a bad name. I, therefore, request injustice was done before, DOW justice will you to keep a close watch over implementa­ be done to all the Members. tion. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali): Besides, as we have consultative WiJl we be allowed to speak tomorrow? commiuees and tht..y have set up grievances cell, similarly such grievance cells sbould SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Not be set up all over the State in order to tomorrow. curb corruption. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : Then With these words. I feel highly obliged the time of the House may be extended. to you for giving' me an opportunity to speak. SHRI G. L. DOGRA: Why not sit one bour earlier tomorrow ? [Engll)h] MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That is THE ~UNISTER OF STATE IN THE not possible. We shall extend the time by DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY oDe hour. 1 hope, the House agrees.. . Yes. AFfAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI It is extended by one bour. Mr. K.ammo­ AZ ·\D): Mr. Deputy·Speaker, 1 propose dUal Jatav. tbat the time of the House be extended by at least one hour. [Translation] SHRI G. L. DOGRA (Udhampur): No. SHRI KAMMODILAL JATAV (Morena): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to support the Budget presented by hone Finance Minister. 'SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD : You Many provisions have been made therein to are saying 'No· because you have already . eradicate poverty. liPoken.

The Indira Gandbi Housing scheme will SHRI O. L. DOQRA: It is unfair to areatly benefit many poor people. This say th~t J have already spoken because I scbeme would provide houses to those who was not allowed to speak properly. Justice do not have a roof over their heads. In was Dot done to me. There are some lhis connection. I wouJd request tbi\! only Chairman who fed very . uncomfortable those families which do not own even a when they are in tile Chair and they do not sinile house and .have four children should '1low us to Eipeak. Only the ~puty· . be provided bouses. It should not bappen l peaker is inclined to live time. . , that 000 family owns 2 or 3 houses while another owns not even a single house. A SliRl P NAMO YAL (LJ4a.kb): I lurv." should be conducted for this purpose. TbOM wbo do DO' bavo SutIiCiOD\ .1llO~ auppol't him,. ~-~.. , TbM· if I ,'''' : pporaJ 311 G~n~rtll B~el, MARCH 12, 1986

(Shri Kammodilal }atav] [English] should be provided bouses on priority. Besides, sewing and sticbins centres and SHRI GOPBSHWAR (Jamsbedpur): 'Charkho" Centres sbould be' opened near Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir: I have some housing schemes at tbe block level for tbe points to make. The proposals in the budlet benefit of the poor. are yery ambitious. But the main point is about tbe machinery for implementing these proposals. Tbe difficulty is tbat the Government has made necessary administration of the projects requires a lot to supply seeds and fertilisers arrangements of improvement. We have a Civil Service to farmers and as a result of this there which bas its origin in the British syatem bas been substantial increase in the produc­ with the tnain purpose of administration. is tion of foodgrains. Foodgrain produced But besides administration. jf tbat very in such a large quantity that it is also being service is aiven the task of administration of exported now. social service., it Jacks tbat contant. There­ fore, the greatest danger to the success of tbe Plan or the budget proposals is tbe Besides this, I welcome the efforts made lack of bureaucratic determination and by Government regarding education. This dedication. I would request the Finance would enable in establishing more schools in Minister to take care of this aspect. the country and thereby propagation of education among the children in our country wi II get a new boost. The second aspect is about the element of import in the implementation of projects. For example, f or Steel there is an allocation. I would like to make .ne submission But the allocation for import of materials regarding my area. I bad raised this issue for steel production is much more than the in the Madhya Pradesh Assembly also when allocation for steel industry. If the mini I was an MLA there. You must have steel plants there is a proposal of import of beard the nanles of [>utlibai, Lakhan Singh, about Rs. 1500 crore.. lhen there will be Pan Singh and Man Singh. I am referring another import of steel, there will be another to that area i.e. Morena. I had lequested import of coal. This way you will find that a bridge on Cbambal river may be that tbe technoloaical improvement of the constructed there. River Chambal flows in industrial development will not belp us in between Ambab Tehsil of Morena district the long run unless there is a short break of and Bah Tehsil of District Apra. If a such inputs and tbere is proper utilisation bridge is constructed there, it would Dot of our resources. only rClolve the age old problem of dacoits. but also provide an easy link between tbe two points. The tbird point which I would .like to mention is about tbe employment pro'peGt•• We talk so much of employment. Employ­ Vijaypur and Karbow are two hill areas ment cannot be done throup technolosy. in Morena region. Thert is no drinking Employment can be dODe tmouBb the water facility in the aroa. If the Govern­ administration of all tbo proarammes wbich ment makes arrangements for Water Supply, you laave made for the villaacra and allO for this problem can also be solved. I would sucb other projccts which are related to also like to submit tbat last time, tbe them. Tbis is a very important thina whicb Petroleum Minister" Sbri Sethi bad made aD we canDot ilDore. Tbil baa to be taken anrtouncement to set up an oil refinory at care of' in the con tox t of tbe national Morena, but work for it has not been started improvement. I would like to say that tbe 10 far. I, therefore, request tbat oil refinery budset sbould be welcomed by all of U8 but should be Stlt up there. the budaot should not contain au)' t~ further element of administration. Tbat wUJ Dot help. In that context WI sbould seo With these worda I ,thank you aivinl tbat the amount of moDO)' .peat OD aclmiDJa! 10; an opportunity to apeat. tratiOD 4011 Dot iDQI'OIIO, Sirt 1 come from a constituency• in which tbat tbis budaet would brioI a transformation four seaments out of a total of 8.x &osments in tho lives of tho poor people in the country. are rural and the other two are industrial. The boo. Member from the Opposition. have My constituency pays tho higbest freight. termed the budg~t as anti-poor, pro.ricb It also pays the largest amount by way of aDd that it would break tbo back of the ucisc. 1 come from Jamsbedpur. It has poor. forest wealth, copper, steel. onainceriDI but tbe per capita of the people there is the Sirt I want to toll you as to what thi! lowest. There is no investment from the Central or State plan which can ensure better Budget actually is. Aftor careful aoaJysi: quality of life. Suvarnrekha project seems we can know very well wbom tbe Budae to have no present either at the Centre or favours. The Conaress party baDed morl tban 400 seats in last year's genoral election State and the way it is going 00 it will take 100 years to get completed. In tbe same But it appears tbat tbeir popularity amOD. tbe people bad sone very much to thei manner we require lot of survey and borne work in all the places wbere there is scope beads and they had presented a Budget las for employment and improvement. year cuuing drastically tbe allocations f(J various welfare measures. They ignored tb welfare of people and development activiti( Now, I want to say a word about labour took a back seat. Tbey bad to pay heavil participation in all these projects. 1 find for this lapse. The ColllJ'Css party lost a that the Finance Minister has not taken care the elections in States lik.e Punjab and Assaf to have better participation of workers in The results of various bye-elections 1 the implementation of the projects and various Assemblies and also to Parliamel programmes. There should be. proper bad also gonc against them. Now, keepil participation of workers. That wall only these reverses in view, an attempt has "bet belp us. made in this Budaet to redeem the popularity among tbe masses. The increase Sir, in conclusion I would say that I al1ocations for various welfare me8Sur support tbe budget but at tbe same time I only show their anxiety to get closer people hoodwinking tbem once api appeal to the Finance Minister to take ca~ by that whatever is given here does not remalo The)' have Dot increased the allocation f bere but aoes to the grass level and in that various welfare measures, [lot witb sincere) lies tbe excellence of the GovernmC'nt. If It is another ploy to catcb the votes of t the administration does not help the common people. It is only to hoodwink the peOI man then it is the greatest man - eater. once aaain. I want to cite an examp Tbe cost of administration hal to come The National Rural Development Prosraml down and tbe cost for tbe people has to go is being implemented tbroughout tbe coun1 up. now. It is being implemented for tbe p: several years. The allocation last year ~ N.R.B.P. was Rs. 230 crores. This yeal (Translation j has gono up to ks. 443 crotes. 1 Congress Party Members say that tbey hi ~HRI K. RAMACHANDRAREDDY (Hiadupur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I increased the amount by 9J% tbis year the welfare of the people. They arc blow am extremely grateful to you for providing me an opportunity to speak a few words on their Own trumpets. But they are Corlett the fact that last years allocation was IS tbe Budget this even ina. I bave been carefully less than tbe 1984·85 years allocation. .. followinl the discussion tbat bas been going earlier Government before Shri Rajiv Gar OD lor the past 4 days. What appears to me from the di scussion is t.bat tbe Ruling took over tht reiaD! of power bad allocs Party Members are praising it eloquently and Rs. '19 crores for this proaramme' in year 1984-85. Shri Rajiv Gall tbe OppoSition Members arc denouDcing it Wh.n came vehemently. Tbe hon. Members from to power, tbis amount was reduce, treasury beacbes spote eloquontly s.yina Rs. 236 crores whicb means j 53% less t tho earlier JOar. ,Now from RI. 2J6 cr' . "The s~b was oriam.l1y delivered in Tolup. 1 t' ; (Sbri K. Rama~handra Reddy1 Centre wants to divide tbe Aodbra and Karoataka ,people by makin8 Telulu aaDp the amount bas been increased to Rs. 519 project an issue. It is not fajr on the part of crutes. The Congress Party wants to take tbe Central Oo\'ernment. It sbould J,ve up credit f~r tbe so called 93% increased in tbe the method of pro\lokiDI one apinst tbo allocation forgetting tbe fact that they other. I sincerely hope that atleast DOW the mercilessly cut down last year's allocation. Central Government would clear the Tcluau Is it worth .. taking credit for? I ask (InterruptIon, ). Oanga Project.

Anantpur in Rayalseama is perhaps tbe Dagaji MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER worst drougbt hit area in tbe country. knows Tclugu I think. Except drougbt there is notins in tbis area. Tbis year tbe brought is very acute and SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY: beyond words. People in tbis district bave Sir, that is the actual position. Tbe ruling DO water to drink, DO food to eat and no party also wants to take credit for the shelter. The weU. aod tanks have dried up_ increased num')er of mandays. for 86 .. 87 F or the past 4 years tbere are DO raiDs in the Government wants to credit 300 01. this district. When we brought to the notice mandays as against 253 m. mandays last of the Govt. tbis actue situation arisiDI year. Tbey are praising themselves for this out of brought. it is Mranae tbe Central additional creation of employment. Are Government turns down to accept it as they really doing it for the benefit I)f the blouabt bit area. The Centre says tbat tbe poor? It is just an eye wash. It is only brought is only in Karnataka and Gujarat a deceptive move to mislead the people. and there is no broullbt in A.P. It is They are not really interested in the welfare stranKC argument 00 the part of tbe Central of tbe people. I want the Hon. Minister Government. It is DOl good to ddfereoliate to reply to these J)oints wben be wcplies to amoog tbe states. Tbe Centre should give tbe debate. The so-called increases this up treating Andbra Pradesb in a step ycar for various welfare measures on only motherly fasbion. 1 appeal to the Central illusory. Government to provide financial assistance to tide over tbe crisis in Anantpur and Sir, now want to say a few words about rescue tbem for unprecedented drougbt. Telugu Ganga project. This project was anvisaged to use 29 TMCS of surplus water Sir, I tbank you once agjin for aivina me by diverting them to chronically drought tbis opportunity and conclude my speech. prone area of Rayala seema. With these surpluL water about 2 lakhs and 73 thousands SHRI ABDUL HANNAN ANSARI of acres in Rayalassema al ea can be brought (Madbubani): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, under il rigation. Rayataseema is cronicalJy 1 support the Budget that bas been presented a brought prone area and this project win and cODaratu}ate the boo. Finance Mioister prove to be a boon to the people of the area. for tbis socialistic BUdset. An agreement to take up the construction of Telugu Ganga Project was reached between tbe Chief Ministers of Andbra, Karnataka. The Budaet aims at resolvins the basic Maharasbtra and Tamil Nadu in the presence problems of the POOl and it tries for their of tate Shrimati Indira Gandhi. Hundreds progress, but can we eXllI'Ct the Government of CMCs or waste and Andhra Government machinery to implement it in letter and wants to utilise only 29 CMCs of the surplus spirit. Will it be able to percolate tbe bene­ water. But for strange reaSOJ1S the Central fits to the poor? As an example I would Government are not clearing the rroject. like to point out that people have been Sir, for centuries Andhra and Karnataka heavily cl.pioiled tbrouab the varioQS scbemes people ;Uved frlend'ly. Their lives and that have been formulated by the Government. cultures arc interturoed and The Banks bar aased t he youth. Those wbo intermingled. Our people' had eloquently want to ,set u.p industries, tbey are harassed praised tbe amicable relationship between in different ways and tbe belpless ,., pOOpl" are th~e two states. But now tbe centre is not ab-Ie to .. loans. They· ilave' to 10IC a tt)'inS to drive a wcdae between them. The part of their loan in a bid to • ~t ,& ira '. PHALOUNA 21. 1907 (SAKA)

As a result of this" the schemes of the entire funds, t~at have been anocated for' Industries department are not implemented these schemes every year since Jndepende,nce. prGperly. Similarly, NREP which is being on construction of a dam in the area or on carried out tbrousb the Block Officers is not embankments of the rivers. tbis probJem briDliDI' out satisfactory results. Therefore. could have been solved for-ever and the if we really tbink in terms of provldiol bunalinl which bas been induJ,ed in by rolief to tbe poor in tbe country, we should Government officials in the name of pay a ttefttion in tbis direction. If we do labourers would have come to an end, but Dot do so, J fear whether we would be able it is sad tbat the two schemes proposed by to provide tbem any relief through these the Bihar Government 'viz't Adhwara aroup schemes. Here I would like to make of schemes and Kamla group of schemes lpecial mention of Indira Gandhi Housing have not been cleared by the Centre so far. Scheme-Sf whicb bas been specially formulated Every time when the wheat sowing season to provide bouses to t be poor and Harijans commences the farmers face great hardship in the country. But will the poor, wbo are in getting irrigation facilities. You wiU be bou_less and are living in huts under tress, surprised to know that the Kosi project was be able to set the benefit? This is a matter started ~ 2 years back and it was to be wbich bas to be s!riously considered because implemented by tbe state Government and tbe middle men have been exploiting the crores of rupees are being spent on it every poor in tbis country and tbis situation is year since then. The funds are not beina very serious,. Some of tbe bon. Members properly utilised and the funds are l1tilised of my party have drawn tbe attention of the in the construction of Government buildings. Government to tbis fact and have reminded 1 be allocated funds are rather siphoned off it. tbat until the elected r~presenlatives of tbe to the pocket of officials who construct their people are involved in these programmes and bungalows with it and the canal is not asked to participate in them, we will not be con~tructed. Win that project be completed able to solve these problems. after the 21st Century. because the funds which are allocated every year are beiDg Here, I would like to make a .pecial misutilised and Government bungalows and mention of a matter which is related to my rest houses are being constructed in stead. constituency Madbubani. I was greatly The Central Government should pay proper disappointed to find that the bank officia1s, atrention in this regard. who got their sbare of blackmoney, directly or through their agents, were sanctioning loans immediately, while the poor who Similarly, the condition of KamJa Canal does not have anything to pay him is Project, which was inaugurated by late harassed. Great injustice is being dC'ne to Prime Minister Pandit lawabar Lal Nebru tbem in this way. If we continue to make is in shambles today. The Nepalese Government has constructed 8 dam near Pfovision for these schemes in the Budget every year, it will be like filling a pitcher Mirchai and they do not let the water flow which has a bole in the bottom. If we go on to our side when we need water to irrigate filliDg tbe pitcher with water aDd water goes our lands. ] have repeatedly drawn the on leak ina from bettom, it will not be of any attention of the Central Government to it. benefit to the person concerned. Similar It is unfortunate that the irrigation staff is engaged in exploit iDg people. The agri­ win be the cooditjon of aUf weaker section, of tbe society wbich we are trying to cultural fields of even tbose poor farmers who do Dot get water for irrisatioD are shown ~6t. in tbe command area and taxes are beiDg realised from them. They have been issued Madhubani is the most backward area certificate etc. to tbis effect and eberc is of Bihar. It remalns submersed in water resentment in the area as a retault of fOr three' mOl'ftbs in a ytar. Dbaus aDd this. I would like todraw the Kbirohi. two' tributaries of revers Kamla attention of Central Government towards an Adbwara cause floods and water JOlling it and I would request it to direct the State in tbe C1itire .rea. The Government gives Government to stop such biabhandedness. aCJiDe relief to the people in tM name of There is serious power problem. There is ,nistance' every",ear. l4a4'-.. fQvelt.d'tbe 'bortaJc{of power ip tll~ .i~te. Tbe ,,,t~ 319 MAttCH 12. 1986 1986-87--0.•• ""_ 320

(Sbri Abdul Hannan Ansari) importaDt OD three counts: firstly, it is a Government is unable to fulfil the power second year's Budaet of the present Govero.­ requirements, hence it may be supplied from mont. and also of tbe present FiDaDce. other places so that condition may be Minister. and so, it reflects tbe full matured improved there and power could be supplied thinking and direction of the Governmeat; to the area. Besides bandlooms, our area secondly, for tbe first time, b, liviD. tbis is also famous for handicrafts, but tbe actual 10Da term fiscal policy, tbe Finance Minister profit is not reaching the people of the area. bas brought openness to tbe Budpt ; and Crores of rupees of weaven' committees thirdly. for tbe first time. Government baa felt tbe pinch of resource constraint. and is pending 8S arrears with the Bihar Govern­ ment. When 1 asktd question about it. I they have to rely on increasing the adminis­ was informed tbat no sucb demand was tered prices of essential commodities, for made by the State Government. May I meeting resource requirements. know as to why State Government has withheld exemption amount of crores of Now, tbere are many plus pointe in tbis rupees of the poor weavers' societies uptil budget. This increase in anti-poverty pro­ now? Could the industries be encouraged aramme by 65 per cent has silenced many and helped in this manner? All weavers of critics wbo used to say tbat this govtmmcnt these weavers societies are Mcoming jobless. was going more towards riaht than left. This Similarly Mithi!a is known is the best area anti-poverty programme should Dot be seen all over the country fot printing handicraft, on ly in isolation but in conjunction with but DO special attention has been paid to other programmes like increased outlay in tbis area also. In the past. bandlcrafts aDd agriculture programme for urban poor in printings used to be exported from this area which I would like that the milk man should to various countries in 18r~e quantity, hence be included io that scheme, tbe programme it is necessary to pay more attention towards for increased outlay on education for infras­ it. Regarding education, I would like to tructure development,. etc. A11 these say that I vtsited so many Assembly measure win belp in all viating poverty. Constituencies, but no where I could find any special racilities or scbemes for tbe education of scbedule castes. Conveyance Now, anotber tbing on which tbe govern­ and boarding facilitie9 should be made ment should be congratulated is OD increaaio8 available to tbe children of scbedule castes. plan size both of tbe Centre and or tbe Without sucb facilities, we cannot just States. In tbo beginnioa. it was feared ~that imagine tbat such children would be able to there was going to be pruning of tbe plan size. So. the government Should be con­ set ~ood education. gratulated on tbis account. I would like to add one more thina. The distribution ot Fertilizus and seeds to Thirdly. many critics have criticized tbe the fanners is oot done properly and tbey working of tbe public sector, but tbe public Dover get tbem io time. These things are sectot' bas played a very important role ia alway. sold in black market through B.D.O. maldnl tbis infrastructure of tbis county and hence it is necessary to pay more attention also rnaldol the economy self-reliant. Now, toward~ it. I congratulate the Finance to improve tbe working of tile public sector, Minister for presenting a revolutionary my humble lugestion is tbat a special cadre budget from financial point of view. of officers should be drawn for the public sector. Their examination should be taten With these words I express my ttaaoks aloDI witb Central Service Examination also be to ,OU. and one of tbe subjects sbould tbe BusioCis Administration: and tbey sbould be trained Dot in Muasoorie but in the [En,II,h] industry of their choice; and tbat will improve the workins of tbe public acetOl. SHRI C. P. THAKUR (Patna): Sir, I Many hOD. members of Parliament have congratulate tbe Finance Minister for giving raised doubts about tbe successful implemen­ this very inoov,tive JJl,Jd~t. T~j. bu,,-et Is t'UiOD 0' tbe ,Dti-povert1 prosramPlf. IA PHALGtJNA 21, J907 (SAKA) 1986.87-0.".""- tJl,. ~22

'oUr State and ] tbink in many States, the As )'ou know. or might be knowing lbat, District Masistrate i. tbe bead of implemen­ after independence the position of Bihar was tation of the anti-poverty programme, but as lood for sometime and it continuC8 to he is very busy in law and order problems occupy that position, but some imbalancei .1 well as tbe problems 'of protocaJ, therefore, arc still tbere. Therefore, to remove such an independent authority should be created regional imbalances there should be a special and tbat authority should be vested with the cell in the Planning Commission to monitor power to implement : and accountability also the development of the backward State. should be introduced for the officers. If an, like Bihar and as I say, if it is felt desirable ofBoer fails to implement tbe anti-poverty then the disease should be treated and the programme. he should be punished and there remedy is to be Jeft to the States themselves should also be an independent monitorinl to come up and develop themselves. Simi­ s,stem to monitor develorment and imple­ larly, such backward States should bo mentation of tbe programme. identified and tbey should be treated property. Bihar, likemany other backward parts of . Uttar Pradesh, is trailing in development aDd The balance of payment position is the Centre should consider uplifting tbe adverse. The trade deficit bas croaacd Rs. peopJe in tbose backward areas. No 8pecial 4000 crores. But, actually, I fail to under­ irrigation scheme has been undertaken io stand bow the government has decided to recent times. Only one Sone canal is there, import steel. If tbe government would have which bas beeD tbere right from tbe British taken CAre to increase capacity utilization of days--tbe Britishers bad construe ted it our steel plants. this import of the steel about J 10 years back--and a scheme tor should have been avoided. Government has renovation of tbat caDa) bas again been given many incentives for increased produc­ sh~lved. tion of wired steel, but enough attention bas not been given to the cultivation of soyabeen and maize. As some hon. Members from North Bihar were mentioning,-and they know iC very well also--oo proper irrigation scheme is there in North Bihar. Similar is Similarly, regarding import of the sugar­ the case in Soutb Bihar also, and similar is cano, if a proper policy is made, that can be the situation in the otb~r parts of the State avoided. In our provinces, most of the also. Therefore, no industrialist comes sugarcane mills became sick Farmers do forward to set up any industry there ; every­ not grow sugarcane and tbey chase to other one wants to sct up the industry in areas crops. So, if a proper policy for SUS8rC8nc which have already developed. One of the is made. thcn, I think, the import of sugar­ recent decisions of the Govercment is that cane can be avoided. they will not belp establishment of power plants in those States in which the power. position is not satisfactory. This will further Many benefits b'!ve been aiven to small aggravate the growth of that particular &1'08 scale industries. Just near Delhi, I went to lee Salem pur. Most of the workers there are cnaaled in tbe small scale industry; Now coming to my constituency, Patna, most of tbem belong to minority community, Patoa is supposed' to be the capital of Bihar but they complained that they bad to face a but still it lacks many civic amenities. I am lot of hardship in gettiol any financial help Dot requesting tbe Finance Minister or the from tbo lovcromcot authority. Prima Minister to give grants to Patna or to make any specific grants. but I am requesting him just for providins. seweraao and drinkinl Reckless spending by the Oovernm cot water fac~Utles for Patna, Gaya and ttanctd. Depanments and tbe public sector should be I do not know whether there is any s'!9b checked and proper care should be taken scbeme. But I would request tlie PldaD~ when we bave 80 mucb of ~'01lrce CODS­ Minister to live funds genorously' for.* mint. ~~ and pr~s~ :. MARCH 12. 1986

(Sbri C.P. Thakur] Tbis tax-systom is very complicated and ita One more point and I will conclude. calculation is very difficult. If it is more Due to our planning during the last thirty .amplified, than more coll~ction can be made years most of the personal incomes and tbe and there will be DO bunaling. capital formed have accumulated in the hands of only ten }Xf cent of the population. The battle started against black' money I think it is high time that we should reverse should be continued uninterruptedly. The tbe trend and I tbink our Finance Minister raids against tax evaders should be conducted will help in equalisation of wealth. With regularJy. These raids have terribly affected these f ~w wards I think the Finance Minister tbe tax offenders. I t is just a temporary for bringing out such a good budget. solution. I would repeat once against that such actions aaainst black money should continue. Nowadays it has bocome all [Translation] issue of public debate and there is no doubt SHRI KAILASH Y ADAV (Jalesar): that such aclions arc essential to strcngthen Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am grateful to our tConomy. )'ou for giving me an opportunity to speak on the BudKet which is aimed at taking tbe Now I would say something, about the country towards 21 st century. Banks. Leans 8r~ granted t) 1he Bar Jts to tbe poor people and others, but their rates of interest are very high such as J2 per cent It is an historical Budget presented by J4 per cent and 18 per cent. Therefore, our hon. Finance Minister Shri Vishwanath rates of interest should be reduced so fhat Pratap Singh under the leadership of our poor people may not feel heavy burden on young Prime Minister Shri Rajiv Gandhi. themselves. Today they are over burdened and feel like a debtor of money lender. Efforts have been made in this Budget to Some drastic steps should re taken in this provide relief and satisfaction to every respect and rates of intere~t should te section of our society. There are certain reduced. Today the adminiEtr8ti,'e cxreo .. weaker and poorer sections in our society diture of the Banks is also increasing. Steps comprising the urban poor and tbe rural should be taken to reduce it as well. people who bad never been mentioned in tbe budget before, but now provisions have been made in this budget for them also. Realistic Now I would like to raise certain issues approach has been followed in this Budget. about my Parliamentary ConstitU(DCY. My It has also been the endeavour to make this constituency compr:ses of areas from amoDg Budget a base for making a beginning the three districts and is a very backward towards 21st century. Eradication of poverty area. Jo Seventy per cent area of tbis is tbe base of this Budget. constituency, people are facing the problem of drinking water. During the summer season tbe problem of drinking water I am not going in details of the Budget, becomes even more acute. As told by our because so much time will not be given to 'riend Shri Ganga Ram that in summer me by you. seaSOD, a bucket of water costs Rs. S to 6. In tbis regard, 1 would like to request you I would like to point out that there will tbat this matter may be seriously considered. be some improvements with the announce­ ment of Long Term Fiscal Policy. Now I Sir, funds may be made available for would Jike to make some suggestions with settiog up Jawabatpur Thermal Power Plant regard to tbe Budget. in our arta so that its work may be started at tbe earliest. Sadabad and Kbadouli areas Our Finance Minister bas adopted Tax in my constituency are rich productive areas Control Policy and simplified taxes. which for potato crop, but a11 potato is rotdna and , has yielded good results. In tbis connec';on it bas been affected by certain disease also. I suggest that some more improvements You should also pay your att~ntjon towards should be don~ to make it 1l10r~ simplified. tlam problem. In our area roads are also in deplorable approx. 20 lakb metric tonnes of foodgrains condition and. funds may be arraQsed for is proposed to be .distributed under these tbeir repair. The money sanctioned for programme!,. These programmes are aimed I.R.D.P • N.R.E.P. and R.L.E.O.P. do Dot at fulfilment of tbe promises made by Our reacb tbe common man. Corruption may be hon. Prime Minister Sbri Rajiv Gandhi. It cbecked. Tbough some action bas been is a very great achievement. taken in th is resard, yet I want that· some more striDsent action sbould be taken Similarly there are so many other pro­ grammes for tbe welfare f;>f tpe poor and In our area, people arc not settins money needy people which were dedicated by our against their insurance claims and generally late Prime Minister Mrs. Indira Gandhi to such complaints are receivt.'d. Corporations the nation. The naming of new housing 8Dd Boards whether tbese belol'g to the scheme for Schedule Costes and Schedule Centra) Government or the State Govern­ Tribes in the memory of Mrs. Indira Gandhi ments, are running in losses. It may also as 'Indira Housing Scheme' will be a real be taken seriously so that Government does tribute to ber. not have to resort to deficit financing. I!l this way a Dumber of public welfare With tbere words I thank you for giving programmes are proposed to be initiated me an opportunity to speak. through this Budaet.

SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH (Jaunpur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I Sir, DOW I would like to raise certain issues relating to my constituency. My wholeheartedly welcome nnd support the Parliamentary Constituency J~l1!mpur is Budget presented by hOD. Finance Minister. very backward. There is not even a single industry in that area. The educated Tbe Budget presented for the year 1986- unemployed are facing acute uncmployment 87, is for tbe benefits of the poor, weaker problem due to non-existence of any section of tbe society, farmers and the industry there. The educated youth do not common man. have any source of livelihood. Tbey leave their place for metropolitan cities like J also want to say about the achievements Bombay, Calcutta or Delhi to seek employ­ of this Budget. Annual plan for the year ment there. Keeping in view such a 1986-87, has been provided tbe sufficicnt situation I would request the Government support in the budget. First and most tbat heavy industry should be set up tbere. important thing is tbat allocation for pro .. grammes of eradication of poverty has been sufficiently increased. For the year 1986·87 In the Railway Budget which has been an outlay of Rs. 185 I crores has been fixed presented in the House, neither any new for the Rural Development Department as train service has been provided to U.P. and against an outlay of Rs 1239 crores for tbe especially Eastern U. P. Dor Bny scheme for year 1985-t<6, which means tbat there bas tbe extension of tbe railway line or construc­ tion of new railway line for the development been an increase of SO per ~ent in tbe allocation. of Uttar Pradesh ParticulJrly tbat of eastern Uttar Pradesh bas been included. I would like to request the bon. Finance Minister During current year, Government bas through you, Sir, that sufficient funds sbould undertaken the construction of houses at a be sanctioned for the development of low cost in rural areas for Schedule Castes, railways there. Schedule Tribes and bonded labourers and roodgr~ins is beina supplied to the poor at

cODcessional rates Under Integrated Tribal Sirt th~ boo. Finance Minister bas . Development Plan National Rural Employ· drown up public welfare scheme for Human ment Proaramme and Rural Landless Rosource De\clopment, Healtb and for a Employment Guarantee Programmes and also number of other departments. In our area beina expandod. Durina tbe year 1986"87, a caUclo named Tilakdbari Contae' it MAReS l2, 1986

[Sbri K amla Prasad Singh) instead of water in it. People bost Itaratls fUDctioning in wh~ch more than 7,000 by servioa them sweets and anytbiol elle, students are receiving education and about but drinking water could not be served to 200 teachers are engaged in the teaching tbem. I would request tbat provision of work ·there. There is a tool standing water should be made in Madiabun tehsll. demand for estabJishin8 a Poorvancbal Handpumps are being installed tbere on University in that region. As Jaunpur is a tbe basis of a survey beld in 1972. The backward district and a number of colleges Governmen t ha ve not constructed any are functiooing there, hence tbere is overbead water tanks tbere. An amount imperative need to establish this university of Rs. 10,000/- or Rs. 11,000/- is beiDI there. spent on tbe iostanation of hand pumps. I would requet;t that the requirement of tbe scarcity bit areas should be taken into I would like to make tbis demand consideration while installing bandpumps through you, Sir. that the Hindustan Photo there so that water is provided there. The Films, which is a Government of India problem of drinking water is very acute Undertaking, should establish its units in there. other states particularly in Uttar Pradesh allo. With these words I reiterate the demand for establishment of an University in Jaunpur 1 would like to give some 8uggestiors in district and wholebeartedly support the regard to the D.T.C. fares. which have been public welfare-budget presented by the bOD. recently increased. The fare up to 6 k.m. is Finance Minister. SO paise and upto 16 k.m. Re. 1. But this [English) fare is not cbarged on the basis of kilometers, but it is charged on the basis of fare­ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, Sbri stoppages. I would request that ·fare should Srihari Rao. be charged on the basis of kilometers. SHRI BAlU BAN RIY AN (Tripura 19.00 bu. East): It is 7 0' clock. You extended tbe time of the House for one more bour. A Jot of development programmes like National Rural Employment PrOJramme and MR. DEPUTY .. SPEAKER: At 6-10 Rural Landless Emp!oyment Guarantee I told the House tbat it is extrnded by one Programme are being run in the country. bour morc. In another 10 minutes tbey The Government is spending massive funds are going to finish. Only 2 Members are aD tbese programmes. Roads, schools, Jeft. hospitals etc. are being provided in almost aIt the villages. A lot of development ia saRI BAlU BAN RIYAN : Sir, we taking place. I would like to congratulate should get a chaoce to participate in the the bon. Finance Minister aod the hone debate. All the opposition parties should Prime Minister for it. The Government also let the extended time in the lame should formulate some definite schemes '(or ~ proportion. They sbould also participate the develo.pment of eastern districts in Uttar in the extended period. Pradesh so as to remove poverty in that ",ion. MR. DEPUTY.. SPEAKER : No, no. 3 or 4.members bave already spokeD from The problem of poverty is very acute' in your party. our region. The educated youth are very mUch frustrated due to this. Some Scheme SHRI BAJU BAN RIYAN : Sir, tbey abould be formulated to remove proverty have spoken within tbe Jimited time wbich there. In my constituency there is MadiahuD was already fiXed. But not within the tebs'ii where the drinkins water problem is extended time. Now you have eltendcd the very acuto. if a bucket is put into a well time and they should also aet proportionato to draw water1 one 'i~variabl)' finds sJuab time of this extended period. .. Mit. DEPUTY· SPEAKER : No. no. more money for the implementation of We bave ,liven more time. On' speaker VertOU8 welfare programmes for tbe welfare himself exbausts all tbe time but we have of common men. accommodated more tban two. We have accommodated morc. Sir. now you want to take up many programmes for the welfare of tbe people. Your programmes may be very lood. Your SHRI BAJU BAN RIY AN: Sir, I intention may be very good. But the leave tbe House in protest.. It is not right. machinery that implements the programmes You cannot extend in this way as you like. is Dot good. Quite often it is the bureaucrets I walk out under protest. who become a major hurdle and come in your way of successful implementation of the programmes. Bureaucracy creates hurdles. MR. DEPUTY .. SPEAKER: What is They thwart tbe successful implementation this? If you want to speak, you can give of any programme undertaken by the Govt. the name. You have not given the name You may dream of ushering in a new era, at all. What is the use of just simply but tbe bureaucracy is tbere to shalter your telling me like this? You bave not at all dreams. This is tbe reason why the benefits asked to speak. J am so sorry. of various welfare measures do Dot percolate down tbe Jowest rune of tbe society. The nation can not progress until tbe bureaucracy 19.01 brs. changes its attitude. The Five Year Plans can not be successful. Sir 1 want to ask (Shri Baju Ban RiYdn than left the the Hon. Minister as to how many Secreta­ Hou~e.) ries are there in tbe Government who faithfully only the orders of the Minister .. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, Sbri The Secretaries do Dot care to obey the Sribari Rao. orders of the Ministers. Being Members of Parliament we can afford to speaJc out fhe truth wbich tbe HOle. Ministers can Dot do. IT'OI'l,llIJlon] We caD afford to criticise openly bureaucracy while the Ministers can Dot. They are ·SHRI SRIHARI RAO (Rajahmundry) : distarting the programmes as well. You T\ir. Deput)' lSpeaker, Sir, tbe budget think of doing something while they implement presented for this year is beiol! applanded some other things. That is how our present by CODgressmen, But we must see as to day bureaucracy is function. If you reany how much substance is this comment. We want that the benefits of these programmes have to think whether it is really beneficial should reacb the poor, then you have to to the ptople. Some concessions and bring a cbange in tbe functioning of exemption were announced in this budget. bureaucracy. You must try to find out The limit forgift tax has been increased from how you can bring forward tbis change. Rs. 5000 to Rs. 25.000. We support it. From top bureaucrats sitting in Delhi to But your way of collecting the taxes is not the petty officials in villages are proving to commendable. You are collecting the taxes be a very big hurdle. So changing the from businec;s by waving the rod. Instead attitude of bureaucra~y from top level to it is better if you offer morc incentives to tbe level of bottom is very much De~sarY. tbe tax payees to encourage them to pay Then and only then, our PJans and our taxes. We feed well a mUk cow in order programmes with be sucessful and tbere will to aet more milk. Similarly you must some change in the lives of tbe people. So. provide more incentives to the businessmen Sir, the Hon. Minister should find out ways and others so tbat tbey wiJIiogJy come bow he can briDa about the transformatjon forward to pay the taxes. Then only you in the 'attitude of bureaucracy. Unless the will be in a position to collect more. When top bureaucrats here. at the centre cbanle. your revenue is up you can find more and their counterparts in tbe Sta'tes will al$o remaio tile lame. The State level bureaucrats ·'t;'hc Speech was originally delivered in also wouJd cootlnue to be indifferent ttlqu. to",r. their Mintster. Milby of the (Sbri Sribari RaoJ am making this request. I hope the HOD. programmes undertaken by various state Minister would agree. to reduce the prices Governments could not yieJd good results of Kerosene and LPG. because of their bureaucracy. Our Hon. Finance Minister is an ab!e and efficient Sir, whom we implemented a programme administrator. I Hope. he will try to hring to supply lice at RI. 2 a kg_ in our State of a change in tho attitude of bureaucracy, if A.P., Congressmen h,vc criticised us bitterly. necessary by provi:fing incentives to them. They said tbat we were making tbe people lazy. But now the Central GovernmeDt have taken up one such similar scbtme to About Rs. 6000 crores had been spent provide rice to tribal peopJe at Rs. 2 a kl. in tbe past 20 years to reduce the poverty I welcome it, though you tbought it wise to in the country. Earlier the percentage of adopt our policy DOW. This scbeme should poor people was 50 and now it is 40. 1t be extended to an states and aU the poor means that tbe Government spent Rs. 6000 people in tbe country. crorcs over 20 year to uplift just 10% of the poor. It is beyond one's imagination With these words I conclude my speech as to bow much more money has to be and thank you for proving rne ao opportunity spent aod how many years it would tako to to speak. wipe out poverty from the 1and. For the successful implementation of povertyeradica­ (Englilh] tion programmes the bureaucracy must have to play a positive rol:. We may MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Shri Mool enact many legislations here. But they are Chand Daaa. He will take 7 minutes. Try not going to solve the problems of the poor. to finish your speech within that time. A concorted effort by a 11 concerned is necessary. The Government may conduct raids and unearth the black mooey. Only SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali) : few days back. it was reported in the news Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the Finance about unear' hing of gold worth one crore Minister bas spoken for two bours and 17 rupees. A few raids bere and there would minutes. You are fully aware of it. not solve the problem. Tho corruption is also rampant. The Government is giving [Trans/allon] too much publlcity to the raids conducted by I ncome Tax officials. ) t should not so. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I cannot say By giving coverage about the raids they will whether I wiU be able to do justice or not, DOl be in a positton to collect any tax but I shall try to very brief. I would like to amount from these big business. Hence draw the attention of the bon. Minister to keep it a secret till the end. tbe paragraph 18 :-

Sir, a variety of taxes are being imp'osed [Engll.sh] on the people. Recently the Government increased the prices of Kerosene and LPG. "Tbe Government is initiatioa a process These are the commodities used by common of thorough review of our expenditure people. So tbe increase in the administed policies and procedures. We have to prices of kero)ene and LPG is not justifiable. cut every rupee of wasteful expendituro, So I request the 80vernment not to increase get more out of every rupee of essential tbe prices of kerosene and LPG. Instead, expenditure, and improve efficiency all if tbey choose, they can impose some other round:' taxos. But for heaven's sake. bring down tbc prices of kerosenc and diesel. Please [Tran'/at/on1 do not take it as a 8U88ettion coming from Opposition Party Members and hesItate to THE MINISTER OF FINANCE reduce the prices. We are Dot soing to piQ (SHRI VISHW.t\NATH PRATAP SINGH): anythinl. In fact your mistakes benefit UI. I would like to inform tbe bOD. MlIQber iut koopioa the public interest in view. I tbat • ,tatus paper 0.0 cxpooclitQl'O par,,".. PHALGUNA 11, 1907 (SAKA) 1986-87-(h". bls. 334

lariy on noD-plan ex.penditure will be tbem are very bonest' aDd dedicated workers, brouabt before tbe House for discuasioD and but a large Dumber of tbem do little work. the bon. Members will fiod aD opportunity Who would make an enquiry about it. to 10 deep into it. There is over staffiog in the offices, but tbe output of work is poor. The Government SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Mr. spends a large share of revenue on the Deputy Speaker, Sir. very few Ministers Government employees OD payment of their live such. prompt reply. He bas given a salaries etc. The employees should know very prompt reply. He immediately luessed tbat tbey are for the service of the people. as to what I was going to say. Secretariat is like a deep forest where tbere is dafkness all around and it is very difficult (Interruption, ) to come out of it If one enters it for some work. We should investigate as to rbow It is somewha t difficult to live such a much work is done by the Government prompt reply and that too in the evening. employees in the Secretariat.

I would like to give certain suggestions I would like to raise one point regarding aDd I would like to raise some basic points. summer vacatioR. How was this concept First of aU, I would like to know as to bow of sum:ner vacation came into being? much amount is disbursed as pension? There are lakbs of cases pending in tbe This penlion system should be discontinued. courts. but the judges go for summer vacation because the beneficiaries of pension are well to Shimla, M ussoorie and other places. oft' in every respect. Tbey have. resources, Why have they gone to the hill station. land and their children 8re earning. Whether because it is summer vacation. I do Dot such persons are freedom filhters, Govern­ know as to when this summer vacation was ment servants and other persons, their introduced and for wbat purpose. This pension must be stopped. UnJess the should be looked into. pension system is discontinued, people would not be able to rise above the poverty Regarding bonus I would like to say line. People are drawing pensions. their something. Bonus is being paid even if children are earning and they are enjoying tbe organisation has suffered Joss. During their time. So kindly discontinue this Janata Party regime, even railway employees pension system. were given bonus. Agreed, that it was given on productivity basis, but now tbis I would like to raise one more point has been paid to onc and aU. One would I which is agitating my mind. What is the like to know as to who should be given tbe expenditure which is incurred OD the bonus? I would like to say tbat those who maintenance of your offices. ] have collected WOt k more, must be given high salaries. data regarding expenditure of a bank on What is tbe logic behind giving bonus to offices. As tbe time is sbort. SO 1 would workers if the factory is running in loss. Dot dwell OD it at present. Sir. there may This is not proper to give bonus t6 everyone.. be furniture worth Rs. 20 to 2S thousand, It entails lea\y burden on the exchequer. in your office room, but tbe room of a bank Whenever I ra ised tbe issue of five days officer is baviol furniture worth Rs. 4 Jakbs. week, tbe Prime Minister replied tbat it was Tbe furniture is replaced by a new grand under examination. The hOD. Finance one with tbe change of the bank manager. Minister should also set rule not to reach The life style of a manager is very decent office early and not to leave office in this poor country. You can see his late. I fail to understand as to bow style of puttios on BORlles, two or tbree tbis anti-poverty programme will be imple­ lold riDSS in hi' Onsers and his luxurious mented. Have you ever iiven tbought to way of Ufe. (1",."uptlo"8) tbe expenditure which is incurred OD tbe Enquiry Commissions. If you analyse it, It Ibould be investigated as to how you will find tba t at least half of tbe expeo­ much tbe Government employees work diture is redundant. The Ray CommissiOn when the Government is inct.lrrina 80 much .. In existance for a Ions time, but wha t oxpenditure on them, Of.' eoUI1e. IQDl~ 91 work it w"s dpDe 'Q fa.. ., MAltCH 12, 1986 1986-87-0.,.. DI,. 336

[E",II,hJ The survey bas given the losl as R8. RAY COMM1SSION: 1982-83-Rs. 1534.37 crores, then IDPL Rs. 28 Cloroa 2.94.000 : 1983-84-Rs. 2,88,000 : 1984 .. 85-, and ITDC Rs. 78.15 falchs. RI. 2,87,000; so it is going 00. Then the (/n(er'Uplioll8 ) Kudal Commission, For bow many years? 4 years. What is the expenditure 1 Rs. 34 . lakbs~ Rs. 27 lakbs, Rs. 14 laths and Rs. [Translation] 10 Jakbs. Then Rangaoath Misbra Commission. It has taken a long time. Sir, you have rung tbe bell at a most Then there is the Tbakkar Commission. appropriate time so that nobody in India could know about the losses being incurred everywhere and to meet tbe gap, we have to [TranI/alto" 1 borrow Joan from abroad. We have been fed up with taking Joans. You can see as Tbe retired judges in the Commission to what are the service charles. You would prolong its work. You can see the expendi. have to toke many stef's to curtail the ture which is incurred on it. No concrete Government eX'pedditure. You would have result comes out from tbe Enquiry Commi­ to take certain m~aSUJes about Government ssions •••••• (lnter"uptlons) employees.

[En"lllh) You migbt have seen that advertisements MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You go are telecast daiJy on TV and Government on extendin8 your time. Just now you ~aid has a daily earning of Rs. 3S lakhs, (,ut if that the various commissions appointed are you sec tbe expenditure, you will find tt.at it of no use and it is an waste of money. But is Rs. 311akbs. This means that there is DO you are wasting the time. savings and entire income is spent. You should think as to why so mucb amount is being spent by you and on which items it is beina [TraM/ation] spent, but nobody seems to be worried about SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: it. Shere are so many Departments of tbe Wbenever any Minister comes to Jaipur in Government. When I asked as to what is our State. be comes b) air. The persons the amount of rent tbat is being paid for tbe coming to Delhi from Chandigarh also come offices housed in private buildings, you would in aeropJanes. Have you eyer thought as be sUlprised to know that amount of rent to what would be the expenses jf one traYels being paid for sucb rented buiJdjnp in R4. l from Chandiaarh to Delhi or Delhi to 70 crores. Then there is lunch and diD per Cbandigarh for five or six times in a month? in five star botels OD which Central Govern­ In a poor country where people are pining ment bas to spend a lot of money. Our eveD for a drop of drinking water. tbe big Finance Miniller perbaps goes very rarely Co leaders are travelling in planes. I would attend such luncheon parties in tive star also like to say one thing about medicines. hotels, otherwise I would also have lot a A lot of cltpenditure is incurred on medicines. chance to go with him. You should al.o The old people take a lot of medicines for think some measures about it ... U1lleftupllDns) getting vitalit, in their old agc. A ruJe '" '. 1 have spoken only on one subject. If should be framed tbat nobody would be you go through his speech, you would find allowed to take medicines more than wortb .'. (l1l"rruptlon,J) •••••. If you kindly a110t me fifty or sixty rupees, because at prosent people five minutes tomorrow. I would mention take medicines wortb four hundred of rupees. rest of tbe points tomorrow. 1 would also like to teU about the losses.

(E,.,'l.h] National Textiles Corporation-Rs. 670 I will finish, Sir, within S minutes. crorcs. Cotton Corporation-Rs: 100 crofes. For all the Central public MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yo_' win 'llterprise~ l q1~ot 11\)' what is tbe lot,. pt a lot of opportQllitiea, PHALOUNA 21. 1907 (SAXA) 1986-87-<1,,,. Du. 3~8

MR. MOOL CHAND DAGA: Only programmes and your programmes are good, two mtnutol. Let me continue tomorrow. but you should tell us as to what percentase of budget is being spent by you on the urban areas and rural areas Separately. I faU to Mit. DBPUTY SPEAKBR ! No. Only understand as to how would develop the two minutes. villages in this manner. I would like to sUSle'st that entire nation may be dividr.d in MR. MOOL CHAND DAGA : Now I various zones. Himachal Pradesh, Punjab come to the second paragraph. and Haryana may be kept in one zone. Assam kept in another zone and Tamil Nadu, Kerala etc. may .be .kept in Southern [Tran, 'at Ion) zone. The language problem, water dispute and many other problems are arising due to Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, 1 would finish creation of small states. Secondly, the my speecb within five minutes. office of Governor and Upper Houses in States should be abolished altogether as these are proving to be white eJepbant for [Eftgll,h] the country and unencessary expenditure is Second paragraph says that development being incurrf.'d on them. The Government must be accompanied by equality and social never thinks tbat this expenditure should be justice ..• curtailed. Sir. jf you want to. bring about socialism in the country. you would have to do one thing ••• (1nterrllpllons) ••• ••• 1 would rTranlltlllon 1 like to submit to you. The mind or our Finance Minister is very clear and bis mind is working in the right direction. He sa,..- (English)

[Engll,h] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Daga, please conclude. You can speak more OD by removal of social barriers. another occasion ... He has concluded. Tho Minister will reply tomorrow.

The House stands adjourned to reassemble at 11.00 a.m. tomorrow. ,.. Sir , 00 tbe one band, you talk of tbe. optnessed and the weak. but you are spendlDB S7 per cent of tbe budget on tbe urban area, whereas majority of our population lives in 19.2S;brs. tbe country side. Perhaps be bas forlotten tbem. 1f you go tbrou&)l the entire Qxpen­ The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Deren diturc on urban areas and the rural areas. olthe Clock on Thursday, March IJ. :you would come to know of the correct 1986/ Pha/lur.a 22, 1907 (Sako) picture. You bave formulated anti poverty

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