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House of Commons Northern Ireland Affairs Committee Responsibilities of the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland Oral Evidence Wednesday 6 November 2013 Rt Hon Mrs Theresa Villiers MP, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland Ordered by The House of Commons to be printed 6 November 2013 HC 798 Published on 23 December 2013 by authority of the House of Commons London: The Stationery Office Limited £6.00 cobber Pack: U PL: COE1 [SO] Processed: [23-12-2013 07:30] Job: 035313 Unit: PG01 Source: /MILES/PKU/INPUT/035313/035313_o001_MP Corrected transcript SofS 06.11.13.xml Northern Ireland Committee: Evidence Ev 1 Oral evidence Taken before the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee on Wednesday 6 November 2013 Members present: Laurence Robertson (Chair) Mr David Anderson Kate Hoey Mr Joe Benton Nigel Mills Oliver Colvile Ian Paisley Mr Stephen Hepburn Andrew Percy Lady Hermon ________________ Examination of Witnesses Witnesses: Rt Hon Mrs Theresa Villiers MP, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Julian King, Director General, and Mark Larmour, Deputy Director, Northern Ireland Office, gave evidence. Q1 Chair: We will start the public session. start-up loans scheme, which has been highly Secretary of State, you are very welcome. Thank you successful in England and Wales, is now rolled out in very much for joining us. There is a range of issues Northern Ireland. The banking taskforce established we would like to discuss with you. Perhaps you would under the pact has started its work and was helpful like to introduce your team and make a brief opening in providing some input into the recent decision on statement. Ulster Bank and RBS. Mrs Villiers: I would be delighted to do that. I will That is the more positive news. Obviously, the keep it very brief, though. I am sure you all know security situation continues to be a grave concern. The Julian King; he is the Director General of the threat level remains at severe, as it has been for Northern Ireland Office. Mark Larmour leads on several years now. We have of course seen a number security matters at the Northern Ireland Office. of attempted attacks and a number of very disruptive In the intervening months since I last had a general hoaxes over recent weeks. My assessment of the formal exchange with this Committee, there has been security situation, having discussed it with the PSNI a great deal of good news for Northern Ireland, and others, is that the severity of the threat has not including the G8 being a tremendous success, the gone up; it continues at a significant level of severity. World Police and Fire Games and the Derry/ These things tend to be cyclical. Londonderry City of Culture—to name but three. Sadly, the reality is that, even at times when the There has also been more positive news on the attacks are not necessarily being reported in the Northern Irish economy, with some indications that newspaper, there is continuous planning and targeting the economy is starting to turn a corner and some by dissident republicans. They remain small in more positive news in relation to the different number, but they can be lethal and the Government sectors—and of course in relation to unemployment. remains vigilant, working with partners in the PSNI However, we all recognise there is still much to be to do all we can to counter the threat from dissident done on that. republicanism. The PSNI are also working very hard We have also seen some progress in efforts to deal in terms of dealing with criminality within the former with societal divisions in Northern Ireland, with the loyalist paramilitaries. publication by the Northern Ireland Executive of their Those were a few thoughts to kick off with; I would Together: Building a United Community document, be delighted to take whatever questions you have. which is something both I and the Prime Minister Chair: Thank you very much, Secretary of State. have pressed for progress on. We welcome its Perhaps we could start with the security situation. publication and we are very much looking forward to seeing it become an actual programme and actually Q2 Oliver Colvile: Generally, would you like to be delivered. bring us up to date with the security situation, because Of course, the signing of the economic pact between there have been a number of letter bombs, including the Government and the Northern Ireland Executive one to you, I think. was positive. We will see our two administrations Mrs Villiers: Yes. working more closely than ever before to build Oliver Colvile: I am very sorry to hear it. prosperity in Northern Ireland. The additional Mrs Villiers: I am grateful to you for your sympathies structural funds in Peace IV will help support the on that. Although my name was on that letter bomb, programmes set out in the Shared Society document the people really at risk were those who handled the by the present Deputy First Minister, as will the parcel en route, which would be someone just doing additional capital borrowing powers. their job at a Royal Mail sorting office or the very There are also a number of other schemes designed to brave individuals at Stormont Castle post room, who help business access the finance they need, which is a actually identified the parcel and realised it was matter I know your Committee is considering. The suspicious. I would like to pay tribute to them. cobber Pack: U PL: COE1 [E] Processed: [23-12-2013 07:30] Job: 035313 Unit: PG01 Source: /MILES/PKU/INPUT/035313/035313_o001_MP Corrected transcript SofS 06.11.13.xml Ev 2 Northern Ireland Committee: Evidence 6 November 2013 Rt Hon Mrs Theresa Villiers MP, Julian King and Mark Larmour Postal workers at Mallusk and Lisburn were also becoming prey to those who would try to draw them responsible for identifying the other letter bombs. It is into either criminality or terrorist activity. despicable that people who are just turning up for a day’s work can find themselves at risk as a result of Q5 Oliver Colvile: This is not only an issue for dissident-republican activities. It continues to be the Northern Ireland, though. This is an issue for other highest priority for the UK Government to keep our parts of the country as well. The problem in Northern citizens safe, both in Northern Ireland and elsewhere. Ireland is the underlying issue of the troubles and the This is one of the reasons we have devoted extra problems that have gone on within that. resources to national security matters in Northern Mrs Villiers: That is right, yes. Similar challenges do Ireland. exist elsewhere in the UK—and, indeed, elsewhere in As I have said, having discussed the latest spate of the world. The danger is that people will be drawn attacks with both the Chief Constable and other into gang culture. Educational opportunity—particular security advisers, it seems to me that we are not seeing early-years education and early intervention—is a a step change in terms of the risk. The risk has been helpful way to try to prevent that from happening. severe for some years now and it continues to be so. Oliver Colvile: After all, in London we saw riots taking place at one stage. We should not therefore Q3 Oliver Colvile: Do you think there is an issue think it is only in Northern Ireland that these issues with young people feeling that it is more exciting for happen; they do occasionally happen here on the them to get involved in terrorist activity rather than mainland too. trying to do other legitimate things such as getting Mrs Villiers: Yes. jobs? Do you think this is an issue we need to do something about? Q6 Oliver Colvile: Do you get the impression that Mrs Villiers: Certainly, when one is seeking to UVF is in the process of re-emerging as well? What counter terrorism, looking at the reasons why people is your feeling about that? might be drawn into terrorism is very important. There Mrs Villiers: This is something I have discussed on are a number of excellent programmes being run in many occasions with various people over recent Northern Ireland by, for example, Co- weeks, because of the concerns about the UVF. The operation Ireland, that are designed to raise the advice from the PSNI has been consistent on this: expectations of young people and demonstrate that there is no evidence to indicate that the leadership of there are all sorts of opportunities for them, which are the UVF has abandoned its ceasefire and there is no potential alternatives to being drawn into dissident-republican activity. evidence to suggest they are preparing to or planning to. For example, I know a number of those programmes by Co-operation Ireland and others use former However, it also appears to be the case that individual offenders who have been involved in terrorism in the members of the UVF are involved in criminal activity. past to explain to young people what a devastating Certainly, it is vitally important that the PSNI do all impact this kind of activity has on victims and what a they can to bear down on that and bring those disastrous impact it can have on perpetrators as well. responsible to justice. They assure me they are doing that and, certainly, I would take this opportunity to encourage anyone who has any knowledge of this sort Q4 Oliver Colvile: This is not, however, only about of criminality to bring it to the attention of the people who get involved in terrorism.