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Thursday Volume 516 14 October 2010 No. 52 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Thursday 14 October 2010 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2010 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through the Office of Public Sector Information website at www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/ Enquiries to the Office of Public Sector Information, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU; e-mail: [email protected] 467 14 OCTOBER 2010 468 cohesion that I described. The chances for people in House of Commons settled communities without a grasp of English to acquire that grasp are essential if they are going to learn Thursday 14 October 2010 and work. Mr David Ruffley (Bury St Edmunds) (Con): Evidence The House met at half-past Ten o’clock from the excellent West Suffolk college in my constituency suggests that those who participate in adult learning PRAYERS increase their activity in the third sector. Given the necessary constraint on public spending, would the Minister perhaps give us a clue as to whether he is going [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] to encourage more co-payment of fees? Mr Hayes: Any clues offered on that subject would Oral Answers to Questions do me no good at all. It would be entirely inappropriate to prejudge the discussions on the comprehensive spending review. May I just say how welcome it is to see my hon. Friend in the Chamber today? BUSINESS, INNOVATION AND SKILLS Adult Education The Secretary of State was asked— 2. Mr Virendra Sharma (Ealing, Southall) (Lab): What assessment he has made of the likely effects on Adult and Community Learning development of small businesses of reductions in spending on adult education. [17253] 1. Eric Ollerenshaw (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Con): The Minister for Further Education, Skills and Lifelong What plans he has for the future of adult and community Learning (Mr John Hayes): The hon. Gentleman will be learning; and if he will make a statement. [17252] aware that the results of the spending review will not be announced until next week. However, a key consideration The Minister for Further Education, Skills and Lifelong has been how we best ensure the skills of our nation are Learning (Mr John Hayes): Adult and community learning improved. I can also assure him that we have modelled make a vital contribution to building a big society the impact of our proposals on businesses and individuals. founded on social mobility, social justice and social Skills are crucial to delivering growth and will play a cohesion. We will strive to reinvigorate adult and community key role in our agenda. learning to make it part of the wider learning continuum and to enable providers to respond to the learning needs Mr Virendra Sharma: I thank the Minister for that of their communities. answer. Does he agree that adult education provides essential work skills for some of my most vulnerable Eric Ollerenshaw: I thank my hon. Friend for that constituents and that 40% reductions in spending on answer. Has he managed to see research from the National adult education will hit those constituents, and consequently Institute of Adult Continuing Education that demonstrates small businesses, hardest—when they are both vital in that 28% of adult learners show an increased involvement providing economic growth to tackle the deficit? in social, community and volunteering activity as a direct result of their learning? Does he agree that that Mr Hayes: The hon. Gentleman is right that small demonstrates the vital role that adult education will businesses form the backbone of our economy, and it is have to play in contributing to the big society? our job to ensure that they get the support they need. An advanced economy needs advanced skills, and backing Mr Hayes: Yes, indeed. As it happens, I have with me business and providing growth means investing in skills. the response to the study that he describes. The As I have said, he would not expect me to prejudge the transformative power of adult learning is well understood CSR, but he can be assured that the team on the Front by this Government. We know that adult learning changes Bench fully appreciates the power and value of skills. lives by changing life chances. It gives some of the most disadvantaged people in our community their chance to Mrs Anne Main (St Albans) (Con): Will the Minister gain learning. It is frequently progressive to further tell me whether his Department has made any progress learning and takes them to the world of work. This on the skills needed for small businesses such as those in Government unequivocally back adult learning. the curry industry and whether there has been any progress on trying to develop additional learning skills Keith Vaz (Leicester East) (Lab): In our multicultural for that industry? big society, which is being created, what specific help will there be for those who do not have English as a first Mr Hayes: As my hon. Friend knows, because we language to help them acquire these skills? have discussed the matter—by the way, I pay tribute to her work in that field—just this week I met my counterpart Mr Hayes: It is absolutely right—in the spirit in from Bangladesh to discuss the matter. [Interruption.] which I have answered the earlier question—that we Sadly, we were not sharing a samosa at the time. I have should consider the particular needs of communities in asked my hon. Friend to make representations to the the way that the right hon. Gentleman makes clear. Department to talk about her work with that industry Language is critical—it is critical in building the social to deliver the skills that that industry needs. 469 Oral Answers14 OCTOBER 2010 Oral Answers 470 Tuition Fees has said that it is not possible to stop people paying their fees up front. Will that not create the unfair 3. Mr Charles Kennedy (Ross, Skye and Lochaber) situation in which those born into privilege, such as the (LD): What plans he has for the future level of the cap Prime Minister and the Chancellor of the Exchequer to on tuition fees which may be levied by universities; and pick two at random, can get a huge discount for paying if he will make a statement. [17254] up front, while the bright child from a poor background who makes it to Oxford or Cambridge will pay even more? How is that fair? The Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills (Vince Cable): We welcome Lord Browne’s Vince Cable: We are anxious to ensure a fairer solution independent report on higher education, which makes than the existing graduate contribution system that we recommendations about the structure and level of graduate inherited. The right hon. Gentleman has used the analogy contributions. We are looking at his proposals carefully of mortgage payments, which is interesting. No building and considering a contribution level of £7,000. society or bank that I am aware of would exempt people from any payments until they were earning Mr Kennedy: My right hon. Friend knows the reasons, £21,000 a year, which is the progressive element that we which are well documented, why I cannot support the are trying to introduce. He has rightly referred to the thrust and direction of Government policy on this one. difficulties that would arise if certain Russell group Given the inevitable, and indeed immediate, ramifications institutions were allowed to charge very large variable of any policy change for the tertiary sector in England contributions. That is why I made no commitment on on Russell group universities in Scotland, is he willing Tuesday on how we would deal with that problem, on between now and next May to enter into open-minded which we need to reflect further. He is right that there is discussions with all the political parties in Scotland to an issue of fairness, which we will address. see whether a modus vivendi can none the less be achieved to maintain some of the principles for which Lorely Burt (Solihull) (LD): Will my right hon. Friend we have argued long and hard where Scottish tertiary do all that he can to stop higher education from sector education is concerned? disintegrating into a free market free-for-all, either by imposing a cap or by requiring a high proportion of Vince Cable: That is a constructive suggestion. I am additional fees levied by some of the top universities to happy to do exactly what my right hon. Friend has said. be paid out in bursaries to poorer students? To reinforce the point, yesterday the principal—the vice-chancellor equivalent—of Glasgow university, where Vince Cable: Yes, my hon. Friend is quite right; there I know that my right hon. Friend is a rector and with has to be choice and there will be some competition which I have an association, said in relation to the between universities, which is welcome. That is very far growing funding crisis in Scottish universities: short of a laissez-faire free market. We do not want “I believe we need to adopt a graduate contribution model that that. There has to be protection for low-income students is properly designed, progressive and one which requires those when they graduate. We will build in those protections who earn more during their lifetime to pay back more to society and will ensure that there is a proper progressive scheme. in order to fund higher education.” That is exactly what we are doing. Local Enterprise Partnerships Mr John Denham (Southampton, Itchen) (Lab): On 4.