Inside the Hidden Brain a Conversation with Shankar Vedantam P

Manhood, now. A national conversation co-hosted by Anna Sale and W. Kamau Bell. p. 5

Cabrillo Festival 2018 America’s leading festival of contemporary orchestral music, presented by Sarah Cahill p. 8

Inside the Hidden Brain A conversation with Shankar Vedantam p. 6

A shocking violation of our democracy, and its legacy today. p. 9

A farewell Manager’s Note from Matt Martin p. 3

Summer 2018 KALW: By and for the community . . . COMMUNITY BROADCAST PARTNERS America Scores Bay Area • Association for Continuing Education • Bay Area Book Festival • Berkeleyside• Berkeley Symphony Orchestra • Burton High School • Cabrillo Festival • East Oakland Youth Development Center • El Timpano, Renaissance Journalism • Global Exchange • INFORUM at The Commonwealth Club Jewish Community Center of San Francisco • Oakland Voices • Other Minds • outLoud Radio • Radio Ambulante • Reimagine End of Life • San Quentin Radio • SF Performances • Stanford Storytelling Project StoryCorps • Youth Radio KALW VOLUNTEER PRODUCERS & ENGINEERS Dan Becker, David Boyer, Susie Britton, Zoe Burleson, Sarah Cahill, Bob Campbell, Kristi Coale, Sarah Craig, Muna Danish, Julie Dewitt, Asal Ehsanipour, Ethan Elkind, Greg Eskridge, Zoe Ferrigno, Richard Friedman, Janos Gereben, Nato Green, Sadie Gribbon, Dawn Gross, Anne Harper, Sara Harrison, Nikolas Harter, Jeffrey Hayden, Mary Franklin Harvin, Luis Hernandez, Wendy Holcombe, Shingo Kamada, Dianne Keogh, Kendra Klang, Carol Kocivar, Martin MacClain, JoAnn Mar, Nuria Marquez Martinez, Emma McAvoy, Kristin McCandless, Amber Miles, Sandy Miranda, Natasha Muse, Mira Nabulsi, Emmanuel Nado, Zeina Nasr, Marty Nemko, Erik Neumann, Ashlee Nguyen, Christine Nguyen, Chris Nooney, Edwin Okong’o, Kevin Oliver, Christopher Olvera, Steve O’Neill, Joseph Pace, Peter Robinson, Dana Rodriguez, Julian Rodriguez, Selene Ross, Tommy Shakur Ross, Louis A. Scott, Dean Schmidt, Lezak Shallat, Marissa Shieh, Marco Siler-Gonzales, Cari Spivack, Dore Stein, Claire Stremple, Devon Strolovitch, Niels Swinkels, Peter Thompson, Kevin Vance, Lilia Vega, Bo Walsh, Priscilla Yuki Wilson, Andy Xie KALW VOLUNTEERS Susan Aberg, Frank Adam, Bud Alderson, Jody Ames, Jean Amos, Tamara Artman, Judy Aune, Leon Bayer, Brenda Beebe, Nikki Bengal, Susan Bergman, Laura Bernabei, Christopher Boehm, Michael Brant, Nathan Brennan, Diane Brett, Joshua Brody, Lisa Burleigh, Marie Camp, Steven Campi, Walter Castillo, Jessica Chylik, Linda Clever, Susan Colowick, Tally Craig, Keith Dabney, Carolyn Deacy, Roger Donaldson, Louis Dorsey, Arabella Dorth, James Coy Driscoll, Laura Drossman, Kai Dwyer, Linda Eby, Eleanor Eliott, Jim & Joy Esser, Peter Fairfield, Peter Fortune, Nina Frankel, Michael Gabel, Mike Gaylord, Helen Gilliland, Andrei Glase, Dave Gomberg, Jo Gray, Paul Griffiths, Terence Groeper, Paula Groves, Ted Guggenheim, Daniel Gunning, Jim Haber, Ian Hardcastle, Barbro Haves, Eliza Hersh, Phil Heymann, Paul Hocker, Kent Howard, Clara Hsu, Susan Hughes, Judge Eugene Hyman, Didi Iseyama, Jenny Jens, Vicky Julian, Brenda Kett, Franzi Latko, Claire LaVaute, Tom Lawless, Jason Lee, Joseph Lepera, Margaret Levitt, Fred Lipschultz, Andrew Louie, Toni Lozica, Diana Lum, William Maggs, Jennifer Mahoney, Jack Major, Ann Maley, Jeffrey Malick, Horace Marks, Tom Mason, John MacDevitt, Robert McCloud, Michael McGinley, Sylvie Merlin, Matt Miller, Susan Miller, Linda Morine, Reba Myall-Martin, John Navas, Brian Neilson, Antonio Nierras, Laura Niespolo,Tim Olson, Alice O’Sullivan, Emily Quiero, Art Persyko, Dale Pitman, Elise Phillips, Maria Politzer, Caterine Raye-Wong, Ronald Rohde, Marti Roush, John Roybal, Jaimie Sanford, Jean Schnall, Deb Schneider, Bill Schwalb, Ron Scudder, Marc Seidenfeld, Lezak Shallat, Anna Sojourner, Angelo Sphere, Kevin Stamm, Tim Sullivan, Flora Summers, Linnea Sweet, Bian Tan, Howard Tharsing, Madelon Thompson, Sal Timpano, Kathy Trewin, David Vartanoff, Gail Wechsler, Charlie Wegerle, Harry Weller, Patrick Wheeler, Steve Wilcott OUR LICENSEE, THE SAN FRANCISCO UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT Superintendent: Vincent Matthews • Board of Commissioners: Stevon Cook, Matt Haney, Hydra Mendoza-McDonell, Emily Murase, Rachel Norton, Mark Sanchez, Shamann Walton • Director, Office of Public Outreach and Communications: Gentle Blythe KALW PERSONNEL Matt Martin, General Manager Laura Wenus, Producer Liza Veale, Producer William Helgeson, Ben Trefny, News Director Ryan Nicole Peters, Producer Operations Manager Jen Chien, Managing Editor Holly McDede, Reporter Phil Hartman, Engineering Hana Baba, Host/Reporter Eli Wirtschafter, Reporter Annette Bistrup, Jeremy Dalmas, Producer Lee Romney, Reporter Development Director Ninna Gaensler-Debs, Producer Marisol Medina-Cadena, Trainer Truc Nguyen, Membership Angela Johnston, Producer Chris Hambrick, Membership Jenee Darden, Producer Jeanne Marie Acceturo, Olga Volodina, Membership Judy Silber, Producer Announcer Shipra Shukla, Lisa Morehouse, Editor Eric Jansen, Announcer Program Information Andrew Stelzer, Editor Debi Kennedy, Announcer David Latulippe, Announcer Raquel Maria Dillon, Editor Damien Minor, Announcer JoAnn Mar, Announcer Josh Wilson, Digital Editor Bob Sommer, Announcer Rose Aguilar, Host James Rowlands, News Engineer Kevin Vance, Announcer Malihe Razazan, Sr. Producer Gabe Grabin, News Engineer Eric Wayne, Announcer ABOUT KALW KALW is a pioneer educational station licensed to the San Francisco Unified School District, broadcasting since September 1, 1941 — the oldest FM signal west of the Mississippi. Mailing address: KALW Radio Offices: (415) 841-4121 500 Mansell Street Fax: (415) 841-4125 San Francisco, CA 94134 Studio Line: (415) 841-4134 KALW program guide edited by Matt Martin, David Latulippe and Shipra Shukla, designed by Georgette Petropoulos. © Contents KALW

ON THE COVER: Christian Macelaru (courtesy Cabrillo Festival), Shankar Vedantam (courtesy NPR).

2 Let’s keep this growing.

This is my farewell Manager’s Note. do outreach, and drive our fundraising In our next program guide – a special efforts that we can hardly fit all their September edition names on the page – KALW’s new GM opposite this one. Tina Pamintuan will We’ve built produc- address you in this tive partnerships space. with independent The work of tran- producers and an sitioning the GM role array of local orga- has already begun. nizations. And our I am writing at the membership base end of a week-and-a- remains strong, pro- half when Tina and I viding nearly 70% of worked intensively to our annual revenues prepare her to take (see p.4). the reins in Septem- I am proud of ber. She joined sta- what we have grown tion meetings, dug together at KALW. into procedures and details, met staff At a time when commercialism and and volunteers, and got to encounter profit-maximization appear supreme, first-hand the spirit of this creative com- when our privacy is compromised and munity enterprise. our trust undermined, when inhumanity Throughout our time together, my is championed by the most powerful – confidence in Tina as the station’s next we have sustained a vital alternative. leader continued to grow. She gets what Afer 76 years on the air, I believe makes KALW special and recognizes the KALW has only begun to realize its po- challenges ahead. She brings fresh per- tential as a positive force in the world of spective and knowledge, and has started public media and for the people of the to engage with the key programming, Bay Area. I plan on staying involved as operations, and development staff who a volunteer and listener-supporter, and will be critical to a smooth transition. hope you will join me in giving your full I had the pleasure of introducing support to the station’s new leadership. Tina to all kinds of KALW people, from I will forever be grateful for the op- Roman Mars to our latest crop of high portunities KALW has given me, and for school interns. I was impressed by her the support and fellowship I’ve received openness to the diverse individuals who from my amazing colleagues, from the make KALW go, and her passion for rais- volunteers who give this station heart, ing the profile of the great work being and from the listeners who make it all done here. possible. Those conversations also reminded Sincerely, me of how much the KALW community has expanded since I first set foot here Matt Martin as a producer in 2001. So many people General Manager give of themselves to help create shows, [email protected]

3 KALW Financial Overview The bulk of KALW’s revenue continues KALW has also increased its revenues to come from our more than 11,000 active from earned income, including ticket listener-supporters. In Fiscal Year 2018, sales, royalties, and production services. which ended on June 30th, total giving Federal support through our annual by listeners surpassed $2 million for the grant from the Corporation for Public first time in station history. Thank you! Broadcasting has remained relatively We have significantly grown the constant at just under $200,000. segment of our budget that comes Nearly two-thirds of KALW’s oper- from foundations and other institutional ating budget goes to local program funders. Key supporters in this area production – including KALW News, include: The Association for Continu- Your Call, and our announcing staff –as ing Education, our partner in the Audio well as our audio journalism training Academy; the California Arts Council, programs within the station and beyond. which supports Sights & Sounds, as The second-largest area of spending is well as our training work with SFUSD program acquisition, from distributors Foundations high school students and inmates at San including NPR,19% APM, WNYC, PRI and Quentin and Solano State Prisons; the Earned IncomePRX. This includes our fees to air pro- Templeton Religion Trust, which sup- 5%grams from the BBC World Service and Underwriting CPB Grant 1% Listener Support ports our Spiritual Edge reporting proj- the CBC.6% In FY18, the69% combined costs of ect; and the Hewlett Foundation, which station management, administration and has provided ongoing general operating fundraising were less than 20% of total support as part of its Performing Arts expenses. Program.

anagement & Administration Foundations Program 11% 19% Fundraising Guide/Web 8% 2% Earned Income IT/Engineering 5% 1% National & Int'l Underwriting CPB Grant 1% Listener Support Local Program 6% 69% Programming Acquisition 65% 13%

FY18 Revenues FY18 Expenditures

Management & Thanks to the generousAdministration local businesses who contributed food, 11% Program Fundraising Guide/Web drink and inspiration to KALW’s8% sta2% ff and volunteers during our May and September fundraising IT/Engineeringcampaigns. The next time you 1% visit them, please thankNational them & Int'l for supporting Local Public Radio! Program Local Acquisition ArizmendiProgramming Bakery ~ Balompié13% Café on Mission ~ Canyon Market Cheese Boutique65% ~ Cowgirl Creamery ~ Pizzeria Delfina ~ Destination Baking Company ~ El Porteño ~ Four Barrel Coffee ~ Gabriele Muselli Catering Goat Hill Pizza ~ Gabriele Muselli Catering ~ Hot Spuds ~ House of Bagels Little Chihuahua ~ Lucca Ravioli Company ~ Noe Valley Bakery ~ Nopalito Peasant Pies Café & Catering ~ Pi Bar ~ Veritable Vegetable ~ Zanze’s Cheesecake

4 Manhood, Now. Anna Sale & W. Kamau Bell co-host a national call-in on masculinity

This spring, women, and more. Anna Sale, On Wednesday, July 11th at 6pm, Anna host of WNYC Sale continues the conversation with Studios’ Death, an hour-long national call-in about this Sex & Money moment of change for American men. asked listeners W. Kamau to contribute Bell (CNN’s their thoughts United Shades and views on of America & masculinity. KALW’s Kamau The response Right Now) will has been extraordinary: Men talking join Anna as about how they don’t have role models ridealong host, for behavior, about learning a new vo- as they play cabulary for discussing hard topics, men tape of stories talking about what it’s like to be a man from listeners, in the midst of shifing gender norms, share data from changing family structures and #MeToo. a new survey on masculinity, and invite Anna has talked with men about ev- callers to share their own stories of what erything from football to fatherhood, they were taught about being men, and isolation and the internet, anger towards what they’re relearning in this moment.

“I get this kind of paralysis where you’re trying to be all these diﬀerent things at the same time and unlearn past be- haviors. I know I’m not the only one that gets stuck there.” — Death, Sex & Money listener on what it’s like to be a man in the midst of shifing gender norms, changing family structures and #MeToo

Every summer, KALW hosts interns from the Arts, Media & Entertainment Academies in San Francisco’s public high schools, giving them immersive instruc- tion in audio production and journalism, and the opportunity to produce stories that will be featured on our local newsmaga- zine Crosscurrents. In 2018, we’re hosting our largest cohort of SFUSD Summer Interns 2018 (L-R): Jiahao Chen SFUSD interns to date. We wel- (Galileo), Julian Rodriguez (Balboa), Christopher come them, and look forward to Olvera (Burton), Zoe Burleson (Burton), Ashlee Nguyen hearing their work on the air! (Galileo), and Andy Xie (Galileo).

5 Inside the Hidden Brain A conversation with NPR Science Correspondent Shankar Vedantam

Your show Hidden Brain addresses our unconscious motivations, and how they affect the way we live and work. What path led you to focus on this particular area of science? I wrote the book The Hidden Brain in 2010, and it really arose from a sense of disbelief that I had about this whole strand of research that was coming out that purported to tell me that the way my mind worked was not the way that I thought that it worked. And as somebody who considers himself to be a very rational, deliberate, intentional kind of person, the idea that my brain was doing stuff that I was not aware of was deeply cause you can get if for free. Why do you disturbing, but also deeply fascinating. have to pay for it?” But you could sort of My interest in the broad topic of the say, “Well, there’s a deeper rationality to hidden brain, this term that I coined as why you want to do it.” You want to sup- I was writing the book, stems from my port civic institutions in your community. interest in how my own mind worked, You admire public radio. You value it as a and the fascination that I have with the community resource. You understand it idea that things that lie outside of our brings people together. In the long run, conscious awareness can play a very these things have personal benefit to powerful role in shaping how we think, you, and so, you’re not pursuing ratio- whom we like, what kind of food we eat, nality in a sort of limited sense, but in a whom we vote for as president – all kinds larger sense. of issues where we think we’re making And also, it makes you feel good. decisions completely deliberately, ratio- And is that irrational, to actually do nally, consciously, intentionally. something that makes us feel better? So So doing this reporting, have I would hesitate to use the word “irra- you moved more towards valuing tional,” but I certainly would say “non- the power of the irrational? rational.” I hesitate to call it the irrational mind We do lots of things that are non- because I don’t think the workings of rational. And the more we understand the hidden brain are irrational. I think how the non-rational mind works, I think perhaps you could call them non-ratio- it gives us insight about how the rational nal, but I don’t think they’re necessarily mind works and how, much of the time, irrational. What I mean by that is, so, we can be very rational. We do make for example, is it actually irrational to wonderfully accurate and rational deci- give money to your public radio station? sions a lot of the time. And the more we And you could say, “Well, from a purely understand how these different sides economic basis, maybe it is irrational be- of the mind works, the more we get to admire, in some ways, both sides of it.

6 When you’re talking about the How, possibly, can social sciences individual making an economic try to take these big phenomena decision, there’s this difference and then say, “Oh, let’s go down to between an individual decision and a very local place and try to figure a social decision, right? That seems out what’s happening here”? like one of the challenges of the I think the research that’s accurate social sciences: trying to figure out and rigorous, is trying to set up con- what individual motivation is and trolled ways of studying these phenome- separating that from groupthink na. So, you can look at, for example, how or someone’s social identity. the speech of some people aﬀects the Right. And in some ways, if you think speech of other people in an experimen- about what the brain is, it’s true that tal setting. So, holding everything else at one level you can say, “A brain is a constant, you can sort of say, “Group A is few pounds of tissue that is inside your exposed to a diﬀerent kind of language head.” But the brain is also much more than group B. Does it change the norms, than that. The brain really is an organ attitudes, values, behavior of people in that’s trying to reconcile your personal group A relative to group B?” So that’s interests as an individual with the com- the data that you can get from research munity in which you live. It’s allowing you experiments. to function and move and behave prop- As a public radio show, what we’re erly in the world. But it’s also integrating trying to do is not just tell people about a whole bunch of other views. “Here’s what’s happening in the re-

Hear Hidden Brain on KALW Sunday mornings at 8am.

So, it is true that when we try to search,” but to show you “Here’s how understand human behavior, you can this research can have applications and have a very individualistic account of it insight to the larger world.” And in some that in some ways is importantly incom- ways, we are making those connections plete. Because our cultures shape who between “Here’s what the president is we are in powerful ways, and the brain is saying. Here’s what he’s doing. Here’s basically an organ that integrates all of this body of research that shows what these diﬀerent impulses: the individual happens when leaders talk and behave impulse, the community impulse, the in a certain way, what happens to the family impulse. It pools it all together to culture of the people around them.” create one cohesive view of the world. So, in some ways, we are making those connections, and I suppose a critic could In the last year you’ve done programs say, “You’re making leaps between the that look at our national politics, news on the one hand and the research what President Trump has to say on the other,” and I think the answer is: about certain issues, how those might Yes, we are making those leaps between have affected, say, the growth of the #MeToo movement or hate violence. continued on page 18

7 The Cabrillo Festival on KALW The Cabrillo Festival of Contemporary Music is America’s foremost festival for contemporary sym- phonic music — re-imagining the orchestral experience, advancing music and developing audiences for the 21st century. Each summer in Santa Cruz, the Cabrillo Festival brings together music lovers, professional orchestra players and extraordinary composers for an inspired gathering. For the 2018 season, Music Director Cristi Măcelaru has summoned voices from around the globe and Cristi Măcelaru across diverse cultural backgrounds to present 18 contemporary works that reﬂect the human spirit and the stories we tell, the grandeur of the planet, and the vastness of the cosmos. KALW is proud to be the broadcast partner for the Cabrillo Festival’s 2018 season, and to present the complete orchestra concert broadcasts in four special programs presented by Sarah Cahill, host of Revolutions Per Minute.

Sunday August 19, 8-10pm Sunday, August 26th, 8-10pm Aural Histories Notes From a Journey Huang Ruo: Folksongs for Orchestra Andrea Tarrodi: Liguria [US Zosha Di Castri: Premiere] Dear Life (Mary Mackenzie, John Corigliano: soprano) [US Concerto for Piano Premiere] and Orchestra (Philip Edward Pande Shahov: Mary Mackenzie Fisher, piano) John Corigliano Piano Concerto No. 2 (Simon Trpčeski, piano) [World Sean Shepherd: Melt [West Coast Premiere | Festival Commission] Premiere | Festival Co-commission] Dan Dediu: Grana [US Premiere] Peter Shin: Hypercolor [World Premiere | Festival Commission] Monday, August 20th, 9-11pm Anna Clyne: Abstractions Afer Dixieland Monday, August 27th, 9-11pm Vivian Fung: Of Other Worlds Dust Devils [West Coast Pierre Jalbert: In Terra Premiere] [West Coast Premiere] William Bolcom: Nico Muhly: Impossible Concerto in Things (Nicholas Phan, D for Violin tenor; Justin Bruns, and Orchestra Vivian Fung violin) [West Coast (Philippe Quint, violin) Premiere] Kristin Kuster: Rain On It Missy Mazzoli: Sinfonia (for Orbiting Spheres) [West Coast Premiere] Justin Bruns Gabriela Lena Frank: Walkabout: Michael Gandolﬁ: The Concerto for Orchestra Garden of Cosmic Speculation Part 1 [West Coast Premiere] [West Coast Premiere]

8 Order 9066 Special three-hour presentation from APM Reports On February 19, 1942, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Execu- tive Order 9066, just months afer Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Some 120,000 people of Japanese ances- try were forced from their homes on the West Coast and sent to one of ten “relocation” camps, where they were imprisoned behind barbed wire for the length of the war. Two-thirds of them were American citizens. Order 9066 chronicles the his- Law enforcement officers search Japanese immi- tory of this incarceration through grants that have been taken into custody. vivid, first-person accounts of those who lived through it. With archival audio, historical context, and deeply personal narratives, the series offers audiences a nuanced account of how this shocking violation of American democracy came to pass, and its legacy in the present. This series is hosted by Sab Shi- mono and Pat Suzuki, veteran actors and stage performers who were both incarcerated at the Amache camp in Colorado. The series covers San Bruno, California. Barracks for family living the racist atmosphere of the time, the quarters. camps’ makeshif living quarters and the extraordinary ways people adapted; the fierce patriotism many Japanese Ameri- cans continued to feel and the ways they were divided against each other as they were forced to answer questions of loyalty; the movement for redress that eventually led to a formal apology from the US government, and much more. Order 9066 is produced as a collaboration between APM Reports and the Smithso- nian’s National Museum of American History.

Pat Suzuki Sab Shimono Hear Order 9066 on KALW at 6pm on three consecutive nights: Tuesday, July 17th, Wednesday, July 18th, and Thursday, July 19th.

9 SUNDAY MONDAY TUESDAY WEDNESDAY THURSDAY FRIDAY SATURDAY

Public Radio Remix Midnight– BBC World Service Overnight — For detailed listings, visit: bbc.co.uk/worldservice Midnight– 5 am PRX 5 am Counterspin 6 am TUC Radio NPR’s Morning Edition from National Public Radio (starts at 5 am) 6 am NPR’s On Being with BBC World News live from London on the hour, a Daily Almanac at 5:49 & 8:49, and the school lunch menu at 6:49 Weekend Edition am Krista Tippett Crosscurrents Morning Report at 6:51 & 8:51, Monday-Thursday, and 99% Invisible with Roman Mars on Friday at 6:51 & 8:51 am 7 Jim Hightower’s commentaries at 7:30 on Monday and Tuesday, and World According to Sound on Friday at 7:30. with Scott Simon 7 Hidden Brain with Sandip Roy’s “Dispatch from Kolkata” Wednesday at 7:44, Sights & Sounds Thursday at 7:44 8 am Shankar Vedantam 8 am Fresh Air with Terry Gross Wait Wait… with BirdNote at 9:04am Don’t Tell Me 9 am To The Best 9 am Of Our Knowledge Your Call with Rose Aguilar Bullseye 10 am Join the conversation at 415-841-4134 or 866-798-TALK 10 am 1A with Joshua Johnson Philosophy Talk Snap Judgment 11 am 855-236-1212 • [email protected] • @1A on Twitter 11 am Harry Shearer’s Philosophy Talk This American Life Reveal Binah Inflection Point CBC’s Day 6 noon Le Show (Rebroadcast) (Rebroadcast) noon Open Air 1 pm This American Life Alternative Radio Big Picture Science Snap Judgment with David Latulippe Latino USA West Coast Live 1 pm BBC Cultural Frontline Thistle & Shamrock BBC’s Newshour BBC The Real Story 2 pm Alt.Latino with Fiona Ritchie 2 pm NPR’s All Things Considered Sound Opinions 3 pm Folk Music & Beyond 3 pm BBC News update at 4:01, with JoAnn Mar & Open Source with 4:45pm features: Tuesday/FSFSF, with Nato Green Wednesday/Sandip Roy’s “Dispatch from Kolkata” Bob Campbell 4 pm Christopher Lydon Thursday/Sights & Sounds 4 pm Crosscurrents from KALW News Your Call Selected Shorts Media Roundtable A Patchwork Quilt 5 pm The Daily (Rebroadcast) with 5 pm Kevin Vance Fresh Air with Terry Gross pm The Moth Radio Hour S.F. School Board meetings on Tuesdays 8/14; 8/28; 9/11; 9/25 On The Media pm 6 Bluegrass Signal 6 INFORUM from the Work with with Minds Over Matter City Visions Your Legal Rights Left, Right & Center 7 pm Commonwealth Club Marty Nemko Peter Thompson 7 pm As it Happens from the CBC Fascinatin’ Rhythm 8 pm Revolutions Per Minute Marketplace Tech Report at 8:01 pm 8 pm with Sarah Cahill Grand Teton Festival/ In Deep with Africamix pm Cabrillo Festival Angie Coiro Fog City Blues Tangents pm 9 with L. A. 9 with with Emmanuel Nado & Theatre Works Devon Strolovitch Dore Stein pm Record Shelf Radiolab Edwin Okong'o pm 10 Music From The 10 Hearts of Space BBC Cultural Frontline Music From Relevant Tones Sound Opinions Afropop Worldwide 11 pm This Way Out Other Minds 11 pm

=new program or time KALW podcast available Available on KALW Local Music Player 10 11 programming A to Z 1A Host Joshua Johnson convenes a daily Corporation that probes the major stories conversation about the most important of the day, mixing interviews with cover- issues of our time. Leave a voice message age in an informative and often irreverent with comments or show ideas at (855) 236- style. Hosted by Carol Off and Jeff Douglas. 1212, or email [email protected]. Includes the Marketplace Tech Report at the (Monday-Friday at 11am) top of the hour. cbc.ca/asithappens (Monday-Thursday at 8pm) 99% INVISIBLE A tiny radio show about design, architecture & the 99% BBC NEWS Current news and BBC pro- invisible activity that shapes our world. gramming from London. bbc.co.uk Created and hosted by Roman Mars, (Sunday–Friday Midnight – 5am, Weekdays Ira Glass calls the show “completely at 2pm) wonderful and entertaining and Newshour is BBC beautifully produced”. 99pi.org BBC NEWSHOUR World Service’s flagship international news (Friday at 6:51am & 8:51am) and current affairs radio program. The one hour program consists of news bulle- AFRICAMIX Musical gems from Africa tins, international interviews, and in-depth and the African diaspora that will stimu- reports of world news. late your senses. Hosts Emmanuel Nado (Monday–Thursday at 2pm) and Edwin Okong’o offer vintage and contemporary sounds from Abidjan to BBC THE CULTURAL FRONTLINE The Zimbabwe, the Caribbean, Latin America world seen through the eyes of artists, with and beyond! Interviews with local art- a peek into what’s hot on the international ists, touring African entertainers and in pop culture scene. Hosted by Tina Daheley. studio live performances are also part of (NEW on KALW. Sunday at 2pm and Tuesday the mix. at 11:00pm) www.kalwafricamix.blogspot.com Hosted by (Thursday 9pm–11pm) BBC THE REAL STORY Carrie Gracie, the BBC’s former China Editor, The Real Story features global AFROPOP WORLDWIDE The Peabody experts and decision makers going in-depth Award-winning program dedicated to music on one subject. With discussion, debate, and from Africa and the African diaspora, hosted analysis to help listeners better understand by Georges Collinet. Afropop.org key news stories. (Friday at 2pm) (Thursday at 11pm) BIG PICTURE SCIENCE From amoebas to zebras, the science of what makes life ALL THINGS CONSIDERED NPR’s sig- possible. Produced at the SETI Institute in nature afternoon news program features the Mountain View, California. biggest stories of the day, thoughtful com- bigpicturescience.org (Tuesday at 1pm) mentaries, insightful features on both the quirky and the mainstream in arts and life, BINAH The best of arts & ideas, authors music and entertainment. npr.org & personalities, produced in collabora- (Weekdays from 3–5pm) tion with the Jewish Community Center of San Francisco. 7/5 Rabbi Jill Jacobs of ALTERNATIVE RADIO Progressive schol- T’ruah, Rabbi Michael Lezak, and Dolores ars and thinkers share their views. Canales discuss issues of injustice in alternativeradio.org (Monday at 1pm) the prison system; 7/12 Authors Michael Chabon and Ayelet Waldman join forces ALT.LATINO NPR’s weekly leap into Latin withIsraeli NGO Breaking the Silence, to alternative music and rock en Español, tell the stories of the people in the occu- hosted by Felix Contreras. pied territories; 7/19 Lillian Faderman npr.org/blogs/altlatino (Sunday at 2:30pm) and Michelle Tea look back at the life and legacy of Harvey Milk; 7/26 Dan Ariely brings his signature blend of humor and AS IT HAPPENS The international news insight to bear on the truly illogical world magazine from the Canadian Broadcasting of personal finance; 8/2 Deb Perelman, a

12 Available on KALW’s Local Music Player KALW podcast available at www.kalw.org/subscribe self-taught home cook making magic hap- CITY VISIONS Hosts Ethan Elkind and pen in a small New York City kitchen; 8/9 Joseph Pace explore Bay Area issues. To Mari Andrew captures the feelings and participate, call (415) 841-4134 or email comical complexities of navigating adult- [email protected] or tweet hood; 8/16 IDEO founder David Kelley @cityvisionsKALW. (Monday at 7pm) on humanizing design and unleashing the creative potential within us all; 8/23 Daniel Mendelsohn shares his memoir, COUNTERSPIN An examination of the An Odyssey, along with stories about his week’s news and that which masquerades as transformative journey in reading and news. fair.org (Sunday at 6am) reliving Homer’s epic masterpiece; 8/30 Alice Waters’ memoir, Coming to My CROSSCURRENTS The evening news- Senses: The Making of a Counterculture magazine from KALW News featuring Cook; 9/6 Tommy Orange on his novel in-depth reporting that provides context, There There, a wondrous and shattering culture, and connections to communities portrait of the plight of the urban Native around the Bay Area. kalw.org American. (Thursday at Noon) (Monday–Thursday at 5pm)

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Inside the Hidden Brain continued from page 7 variation, for improvising, questions, pushback, disagreements, skepticism, all the news and the research, and we’re of that. trying to do it in a way that’s deliberate The combination of something that and transparent, so, as you’re listening to has some structure but allows for a fair it, the listener can evaluate “Do I actually amount of improvised exchange, I think, buy the idea that this piece of social is what gives these conversations their science research is relevant to this news edge. I mean, if you completely impro- event that’s just taken place?” vised the challenge is that you could end up meandering, and if you’re completely Many listeners first got to know you structured, it sounds like carpentry. And hearing you on Morning Edition talking I think you want to have something in the with Steve Inskeep. Give us just a middle where you have some structure, little inside radio — what do you do to you know where the story is going, prepare for one of those two-ways? you know the point you’re trying to get It actually starts with a lot of reading across, but there are multiple ways to in the academic literature, looking for in- get there and you want to let that ex- teresting research, looking for research change happen relatively organically. that makes interesting connections with other pieces of research, but also, impor- In the short pieces, you’re tantly, research that makes a connection understandably focused on the with the news. results of a given study, what the I typically interview the researchers, implications might be. What do you spend some time talking with them, feel, as a science journalist, is your making sure I’m understanding their responsibility to kind of talk about work correctly, pulling a few clips or the process of the research and quotes from what they’ve said, and then questions that there might be about we have a relatively loose script when how big the sample is, whether it’s we sit down in the studio at Morning skewed, whether you’ve isolated the Edition and we tape it. So there’s a rough key variables, that kind of thing? outline that basically says, “Here is the I will be the ﬁrst to say that, this is arc that we’re trying to explore. Here is probably true for all science journalism, approximately where we think we might but certainly the work that we’re doing bring in our expert voice to basically on Morning Edition, it is a relatively tell us a little bit about the study they’ve quick sketch about a piece of research conducted.” And then there’s room for that’s interesting and that has relevance

18 to what’s happening in people’s lives. I the social sciences have a lot to offer in would love to be able to have five, six terms of public policy. On any number of minutes for every episode and would different issues, state governments and love to delve deeply into the science; the federal government are passing laws there’s nothing that I would like to do every day that essentially are running more. experiments on people. If you say, “Let’s The constraints, of course, are there’s run healthcare this way” or “Let’s pro- lots of other things happening in the vide this drug”, basically you’re saying, news. And of course, if people want “We’re trying something new, and we’re to look up the study and go into more gonna see how it works.” details about it, they can always do that One of the things that we don’t do, aferwards. The Hidden Brain podcast though, is we don’t have a control group and radio show also allow us to explore where we say, “Let’s see what happens in issues in greater depth, and we get into this other group where we’re not doing many nuances there. the same thing.” So we’re not applying But I do think that one of the goals one of the fundamental insights about that we have is to try and communicate how science works to the way public interesting science to as many people as policy is actually carried out. So if we possible and to welcome people into the think that a new policy is a good idea, world of academic insights. One of the wouldn’t it actually be a fantastic idea things that is very sad is that you have to say, “Let’s introduce this in two states these worlds, ofen in universities, where and have two other states be control people are developing unbelievably groups to see what happens in the brilliant and insightful ideas, and we also absence of this policy. Let’s see what the have a public conversation, on the other effects are. Let’s actually collect the kind hand, which – I don’t mean to be overly of data that can tell us this is a good idea critical but – it’s ofen missing some of in terms of public policy.” the best ideas that are out there. And I think there’s relatively little of that what we’re trying to do in some ways is going on, and so you have a lot of people just say, “Can you build more bridges so who are usually well meaning, but some- that you’re taking the best of what’s in times they’re coming from an ideological the ivory tower and bringing it out to the position of saying, “More government public square?” is good” or “Less government is good,” and those ideologies, in some ways, are As somebody who’s constantly determining what the policies are. In talking to social science researchers, many ways these are empirical ques- is that part of the scientific world tions. Whether this policy is good or not healthy in terms of the kind of is not shaped by whether you’re liberal funding that it’s getting? or conservative. It should be shaped by I think if you speak to the people who whether the policy actually works. Why are practitioners, they are gonna tell you don’t we actually test it in a way that that there isn’t enough support. But in basically says, “Here’s the test group. fairness, that’s probably what practitio- Here’s the control group. Let’s put it in ners everywhere will always tell you, that one place, not do it in the other place, there isn’t enough. follow it for six months or a year,” and What I will say is that I do think that then we’ll have an answer to say, “Should we roll this out for 300 million people?”

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