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T Y N W A L D C O U R T O F F I C I A L R E P O R T R E C O R T Y S O I K O I L Q U A I Y L T I N V A A L P R O C E E D I N G S D A A L T Y N S T A N D I N G C O M M I T T E E O F T Y N W A L D O N E N V I R O N M E N T A N D I N F R A S T R U C T U R E P O L I C Y R E V I E W B I N G V E A Y N T I N V A A L M Y C H I O N E A A S C R U T A G H E Y P O L A S E E Y N E R C O O I S H Y N C H Y M M Y L T A G H T A S B U N – T R O G G A L Y S DEPARTMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE HANSARD Douglas, Wednesday, 14th November 2012 PP145/12 EIPRC-I, No. 1 All published Official Reports can be found on the Tynwald website www.tynwald.org.im/Official Papers/Hansards/Please select a year: Published by the Office of the Clerk of Tynwald, Legislative Buildings, Finch Road, Douglas, Isle of Man, IM1 3PW. © High Court of Tynwald, 2012 TYNWALD STANDING COMMITTEE, WEDNESDAY, 14th NOVEMBER 2012 Members Present: Chairman: Mr D M W Butt MLC Mr A F Downie OBE MLC Mr Z Hall MHK Clerk: Mrs E M Lambden Business Transacted Page Procedural.................................................................................................................................................3 Evidence of Hon. D Cretney MHK, Minister for Infrastructure and Mr I Thompson, Chief Executive Department of Infrastructure ................................................3 The Committee adjourned at 12.10 p.m. _________________________________________________________________ 2 EIPRC-I TYNWALD STANDING COMMITTEE, WEDNESDAY, 14th NOVEMBER 2012 Standing Committee of Tynwald on Environment and Infrastructure Policy Review Department of Infrastructure The Committee sat in public at 10.30 a.m. in the Legislative Council Chamber, Legislative Buildings, Douglas [MR BUTT in the Chair] Procedural The Chairman (Mr D M W Butt MLC): Good morning, everybody, particularly the Minister, Mr Cretney, and Mr Thompson. Welcome to this Committee. I have a few preambles to do with some slight housekeeping. Firstly, welcome to the meeting 5 of the Environment and Infrastructure Policy Review Committee. I am Dudley Butt MLC and I chair the Committee. With me are Mr Alex Downie OBE MLC, and Mr Zac Hall MHK, and we have with us our Clerk, Mrs Marie Lambden, whom I thank for your preparation for this event. Could you please ensure that mobile phones are not just put on silent but turned off, because otherwise it affects the recording of the Hansard equipment, so I would be grateful if you could 10 turn your phones actually off. Also for the purposes of Hansard, we will to try to make sure that people do not speak together, that people try to speak separately. The Environment and Infrastructure Policy Review Committee is one of three Standing Committees of Tynwald Court established in October last year with a wide scrutiny remit. We have three Departments we cover: the Department of Community, Culture and Leisure; the 15 Department of Food and Agriculture; and the Department of Infrastructure. Today’s session is the second of our routine scrutiny sessions with those Departments. We met with the Department of Food and Agriculture in June, and after today – we meet with the Infrastructure Department – we are due to meet with the Department of Community, Culture and Leisure in February next year. 20 EVIDENCE OF HON. D CRETNEY MHK AND MR I THOMPSON 25 Q1. The Chairman: Can I first formally welcome Mr David Cretney, the Minister for the Department, and Mr Ian Thompson, their Chief Executive. Can I just ask you, for the sake of Hansard, to tell us who you are? Perhaps, Minister, if you could tell us who you are and how long you have been in the Department. 30 The Minister for Infrastructure (Mr Cretney): I am David Cretney. I am Minister for the Department of Infrastructure. I have been in position since following the General Election in 2011. The Chairman: Thank you. Mr Thompson. 35 Mr Thompson: I am Ian Thompson. I am the Chief Executive of the Department of Infrastructure and formerly the DoT, and I have been here for something approaching eight years. Q2. The Chairman: Thank you. 40 I wonder, would you just like to, for a few minutes, perhaps give us your overview of how the last year has gone in your Department? If you could perhaps give the Committee some general impressions of how your year has been? _________________________________________________________________ 3 EIPRC-I TYNWALD STANDING COMMITTEE, WEDNESDAY, 14th NOVEMBER 2012 The Minister: From me first? 45 The Chairman: Please, Minister, yes. The Minister: The first time I have been involved in… I was never a Member of the Department of Transport. I have been a Member of a number of Departments previously; this is 50 the first time I have been involved in the newly arranged Department of Infrastructure. It is a big Department; it has a lot of challenges. In relation, in particular, to Highways, we have a big task in terms of customer expectation, and with the available resources presently we are not going to be able to always meet customer expectations, so we have to prioritise those. It is a wide-ranging remit: Harbours and Airport; Planning, which obviously touches peoples lives and is 55 important also in terms of the ongoing development of our economy. It is important that the planning process plays its part in that. We are also responsible for local authorities on the Island. There are two Divisions of the Department that are perhaps more high-profile than others, and those are the Operations Division, which carries out the roadworks, and the Highways Division, which obviously, as I indicated earlier, has a high public profile. Amongst the challenges I have 60 had in the last year is trying to make sure that the Highways Division in particular make sure that our customers and those people who fund the work which our Department carries out are properly considered when highway works are undertaken. We have done a lot of work in trying to make sure that businesses are as least detrimentally affected as they can be whilst such work is undertaken, and that is an ongoing piece of work. 65 As I indicated, it is a wide-ranging remit, very important, a lot of money invested into the Island in infrastructure and there has been over a considerable period time. I think that is probably where I am up to at the moment, unless there are any specific questions, which I am happy to answer. 70 The Chairman: We will be asking some specific questions later. The Minister: Yes. Q3. The Chairman: Mr Thompson, can I just ask you… You were in the Department when it 75 was the Department of Transport, I believe, (Mr Thompson: Yes.) before the change. You have then assimilated, in effect, DoLGE functions. I am just wondering if you could give us a brief view of how that has worked in the last year, 18 months or so. Mr Thompson: Thank you, Chairman. 80 It is three years in April, actually, since the transfer took place, and that brought to us… First of all, we lost the Sewerage Division, which went to the new Water and Sewerage Authority, and then we assimilated most of the former DoLGE into DoI, other than the Housing Section and the Environmental Health team, and even with the Housing Section, their operational guys came and joined us. 85 Since then, we have had, obviously, a very well publicised, pretty comprehensive amount of work to do in the planning area, which we have done. We have welcomed the new Director of Planning, we have welcomed the new Head of Health and Safety, so that has been an interesting experience in not only taking those Divisions in, but then putting in, essentially, new managers. After settling down, we then had a change of Minister, and we have not only had a change of 90 ordinary Members, but during the year, of course, we have lost one of our Members to be subsequently replaced by Mr Houghton. I have to say, and I have no reason to say this to you guys, but I find it quite remarkable how Members can walk into a Department and pick up all the issues and cope with them as though they have been there for a long time. I find it really amazing and I have complimented them many times for it. It is not easy to pick up on such a varied 95 portfolio as this Department and make continuity happen, which is what we are about. Your original question was about perhaps the past year and what have we done in that period. The Department is still heavily involved with what was known as the Transformation of Government project, which has, on top of what we have already discussed, brought us the property aspects and the facilities management aspects of most of Government. In fact, as at today, other 100 than the Health estate, all of it now sits with us.