Jilid I Harl Isnin Bil. 40 13hb Disember, 1971

PENYATA RASMI OFFICIAL REPORT

DEWAN RA'AYAT House of Representatives

PARLIMEN KETIGA Third Parliament

PENGGAL PARLIMEN PERTAMA First Session

KANDONGAN-NYA

JAWAPAN2 MULUT BAGI PERTANYAAN2 [Ruangan 4559]

USUL2: Anggaran Pembangunas, 1972 (lOhb Disember, 1971) [Ruangan 4591] Uchapan Penanggohan (Kakitangan Kerajaan hendak-lah berbudi bahasa terhadap ra'ayat) [Ruangan 4651]

MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT YANG KETIGA Penyata Rasmi PENGGAL YANG PERTAMA

Hari Isnin, 13hb Disember, 1971

Meshuarat di-mulakon pada pukul 230 petang

YANG HADHIR: Yang Berhormat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara Perak. Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri, Menteri Luar Negeri dan Menteri Pertahanan, TuN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSEIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan, TuN TAN SIEW SIN, s.s.M., J.P. (Melaka Tengah). Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom, TUN V. T. SAMBANTHAN, s.s.M., P.M.N. (Sungei Siput). Menteri Kesihatan, TAN SRI HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). Menteri bagi Hal Ehwal Sarawak, TAN SRI TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K., P.N.B.S., O.B.E., Q.M.C. (Ulu Rajang). Menteri Pertanian dan Tanah, TAN SRI HA1I MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI, P.M.N., D.P.C.M. (Kuala Kangsar). Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar, TUAN ABDUL GHAFAR BIN BABA (Melaka Utara). Menteri Pengangkutan, DATO' HAJJ ABDUL GHAN! GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Kinabalu). Menteri Ta' BC1'potfolio, TuAN LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Sepang). Menteri Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sokan, DATO' HAMzAH BIN DATO' ABu SAMAH, D.S.R., S.M.K., S.I.M.P. (Raub). Menteri Kebajikan Masharakat, TAN SRI FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM. P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap). Menteri Pelajaran, TUAN HUSSEIN BIN DATO' ONN, P.1.s., M.B.E. (Johor Bahru Timor). Menteri Teknoloji, Penyelidekan dan Kerajaan Tempatan, DATO' ONG KEE HUI, P.N.B.S. (Bandar Kuching). Timbalan Menteri Jabatan Perdana Menteri dan Timbalan Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom, TuAN ABDUL TAm BIN MAHMUD (Samarahan). .. Timbalan Menteri Kewangan, TUAN Au BIN Hui AHMAD (Pontian Selatan). 4551 13 DISEMBER 1971 4552 Yang Berhormat Timbalan Menteri Pertanian dan Tanah, DATO' ABDUL SAMAD BIN IDRIS, J.M.N., A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kuala Pilah). Timbalan Menteri Buroh dan Tenaga Ra'ayat, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N. (Segamat Selatan). Timbalan Menteri Pertahanan, Y.M. TENGKU AHMAD RITHAUDEEN BIN TENGKU ISMAIL, P.M.K. (Kota Bharu Hilir). Timbalan Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, TUAN MOHAMED BIN YAACOB, P.M.K., S.M.T. (Tanah Merah). Setiausaha Parlimen kapada Perdana Menteri, WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T. (Kuala Trengganu Utara). Setiausaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Dengan Tugas2 Khas dan Menteri Penerangan, TUAN SHARIFF AHMAD (Langat). Setiausaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Pengangkutan, TUAN MOHAMED BIN UJANG, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Jelebu-Jempol). Setiausaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Pelajaran, TuAN MOHAMED BIN RAHMAT (Johor Bahru Barat). NIK ABDUL Aziz BIN NIK MAT, J.P. (Kelantan Hilir). DATO' DR HAJI ABDUL AZIZ BIN OMAR, D.J.M.K., J.M.N., S.M.K. " (Tumpat) Y.A.M. TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI ALMARHUM TuANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T. (Rawang). DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB, P.N.B.S., s.P.M.J. (Payang). TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS, A.D.K. (Sabah Selatan). DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HussIN, D.S.W., J.S.M. (Lipis). TUAN HAJI ABDUL w AHAB BIN YUNUS (Dungun). PENGHULU ABIT ANAK ANGKIN, P.P.N. (Kapit). TUAN ABU BAKAR BIN UMAR (Kubang Pasu Barat). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). TUAN AHMAD BIN HAJI ITHNIN (Melaka Selatan). PENGIRAN AHMAD BIN PENGIRAN INDAR (Kinabatangan). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara). TUAN HAJI AHMAD DAMANHURI BIN HAJI ABDUL WAHAB, P.M.P., P.J.K. (Hilir Perak). TAN SRI HAJI NIK AHMED KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N. (Ulu Kelantan). PuAN BIBI AISHAH BINTI HAMID DoN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kulim Utara). DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J. (Muar Selatan). TUAN AzAHARI BIN MOHD. TAIB, S.M.K., A.M.N., J.P., J.S.M. (Sungei Patani). DATO' PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK ]ANTING, Q.M.C., P.B.S., P.N.B.S. (Julau). " CHEGU BAUDI BIN UNGGUT (Bandau). TuAN BomNG BIN ANDOT (Simunjan). TUAN BUJA BIN GUMBILAI (Tuaran). AWANG BUNGSU BIN ABDULLAH (LIMBANG-LAWAS). 4553 13 DISEMBER 1971 4554

Yang Berhormat TUAN HAJI AWANG WAL BIN AWANG ABu (Santubong). TUAN CHAN Fu KING (Telok Anson). TUAN CHAN SIANG SUN, A.M.N .• P.J.K., J.P. (Bentong). TUAN CHEN Ko MING, P.B.S., A.M.N. (Sarikei). DR CHEN MAN HIN (Seremban Timar). DR CHu CHEE PENG (Kluang Selatan). TUAN v ALENTINE COTTER alias JoSEPH VALENTINE COTTER (Bau-Lundu). TUAN PETER PAUL DASON (Pulau Pinang Utara). TUAN V. DAVID (Dato Kramat). TuAN EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN, A.B.S. (Batang Lupar). TUAN FAN YEW TENG (Kampar). .. DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID, J.M.N., P.I.S . (Batu Pahat Dalam). TUAN THOMAS SELVARAJ GABRIEL (Pulau Pinang Selatan). TUAN GOH HOCK GUAN (Bungsar). TUAN HANAFIAH HUSSAIN, A.M.N. (Jerai). TUAN HASHIM BIN GERA (Parit). " TuAN RICHARD Ho UNG HUN (Sitiawan). TUAN HOR CHEOK FooN (Damansara). TuAN HUSSAIN BIN HAJI SULAIMAN (Besut). TAN SRI SYED JAAFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N. (Johar Tenggara). TUAN KHOO PENG LoONG, O.B.E. (Bandar Sibu). TUAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA, P.B.S. (Saratok). TUAN LATIP BIN HAJI ORIS (Mukah). TUAN LEE SECK FUN, K.M.N. (Tanjong Malim). TUAN LIM CHO HOCK (Batu Gajah). TuAN LIM KIT SIANG (Bandar Melaka). TUAN LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K. (Alor Star). TUAN LOH JEE MEE (Batang Padang). TuAN w ALTER LOH POH KHAN (Setapak). TuAN LUHAT WAN (Baram). TUAN ANDREW MARA ANAK WALTER UNJAH (Betong). TUAN HAJI MAWARDI BIN LEBAI TEH (Kota Star Utara). TUAN MOHAMED ARIF BIN SALLEH, A.D.K. (Sabah Dalam). DATO' HAJI' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, S.P.M.K. (Kota Bharu Hulu). TUAN HAJI MOHD. CHIK JOHARI ONDU MAJAKIL (Labuan-Beaufort). TUAN MOHD. DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). " TUAN MOHD. NOR BIN MD. DAHAN, A.M.N., J.P. (Ulu Perak). TuAN MOHD. SALLEH BIN DATO' PANGLIMA ABDULLAH (Darvel). 4555 13 DISEMBER 1971 4556 Yang Berhormat TuAN MOHD. TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K. (Kuala Langat). TUAN MOHD. TAHIR BIN HAJJ ABDUL MANAN (Kapar). TUAN HAJJ MOHAMED YusoF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (femerloh). TUAN HAJJ MOHD. ZAIN BIN ABDULLAH (Bachok). DATO' ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ENGKU ABDUL KADIR, D.P.M.T., J.M.N. (Trengganu Tengah). wAN MOKHTA1l BIN AHMAD, P.J.K. (Kemaman). TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJJ ISMAIL, J.S.M. (Perlis Selatan). TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJJ ABDULLAH, J.P. (Pasir Mas Hilir). TUAN MUSA BIN HITAM (Segamat Utara). DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJJ ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P., J.M.N. (Sabak Bemam). TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN HUSSAIN (Seberang Tengah). .. TUAN JONATHAN NARWIN ANil JINOGONG (Luboh Antu}. TAN SRI SYED NASIR BIN ISMAIL, P.M.N., J.M.N., D.P.M.J., P.I.S. (Muar Dalam). TuAN NG HOE HUN (Larut Selatan). RAJA NONO CHIK BIN RAJA ISHAK, P.J.K. (Kuala Selangor). TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara). PENGARAH RAHUN ANAK DEBAK (Serian). TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR, K.M.N., P.M.P. (Krian Darat). TuAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S., S.M.J. (Muar Pantai). DR s. SEEVARATNAM, P.1.IC::. (Seremban Barat). TUAN HAJI SHAPIE BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N., B.C.K. (Baling). TuAN SoH AH TEcK, A.M.N. (Batu Pahat). DR A. SooRIAN (Port Dickson). TUAN SU LIANG Yu (Bruas). w AN SULAIMAN BIN HA11 IBRAHIM, S.M.K. (Pasir Puteh). DR SULAIMAN BIN MOHAMED ATTAS, J.P., P.J.K. (Rembau-Tampin). TUAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut). PENGIRAN TAHIR BIN PENGIRAN PATERA (Kimanis). TUAN TAI KUAN YANG, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kulim-Bandar Bharu). TUAN TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara). DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu). TuAN TAN CHENG BEE, A.M.N., J.P. (Bagan). TUAN TIAH ENG BEE, P.I.S. (Kluang Utara). TuAN JAMES STEPHEN TmoK, A.D.K. (Penampang). TUAN TmuoH ANAK RANTAI (Rajang). " TuAN TING MING KIONG (Bintulu). " TuAN JOSEPH UNTING ANAK UMANG (Kanowit). TUAN v. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan). 4557 13 DISEMBER 1971 4558 Yang Berhormat DATO' JAMES WONG KIM MIN, P.N.B.S. (Miri-Subis). TUAN YEH PAO Tzu, A.M.N. (Tawau). TUAN YEOH TECK CHYE (Bukit Bintang). TUAN STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Padawan). TUAN HAJI YUSOF BIN HAJI ABDULLAH alias HAJI YUSOF RAWA (Kota Stat Selatan).

YANG TIADA HADHIR: Yang Amat Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri dan Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, TUN DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJ1 ABDUL RAHMAN, s.s.M., P.M.N., s.P.M.J. (Johor Timor). Yang Berhormat Menteri Perdagangan dan PeCUiahaan, TuAN MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah). Menteri Buroh dan Tenaga Ra'ayat, TAN SRI V. MANICKAVASAGAM, P.M.N., J.M.N., P.J.K., S.P.M.S. (Klang). Y.T.M. TUNg:U ABDUL RAHMAN PtJTRA AL-HAJ, K.0.M., C.H., D.M.N. (Kuala Kedah). TUAN AJAD BIN 0. T. UYONG (Labuk-Sugut). TUAN CHAN YOON ONN (Ulu Kinta). TAN SRI KHAW KAI-BOH, P.M.N., P.J.K. (Ulu Selangor). DR LIM CHONG Eu (Tanjong). TUAN PETER Lo Su YIN (Sandakan). DR MOHAMED BIN TAIB, P.M.K., P.J.K. (Kuantan). TAN SRI MOHAMMAD SAID BIN KERUAIC, P.M.N., S.P.D.K. iKota Belud). TUN DATU HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N., P.D.K., K.v.o., O.B.E~ (Marudu). DATO' PANG TET TSHUNG, P.D.K. (Kota K.inabalu). TUAN R. c. M. RAYAN alias R. c. MAHADEVA RAYAN (lpoh). DATO' s. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu). TUAN SULAIMAN BIN BULON, P.J.K. (Bagan Datoh). TENGKU ZAID BIN TENGKU AHMAD, D.P.M.K., J.M.K., S.M.K. (Pasir Mas Hutu).

YANG HADHIR BERSAMA: Yang Berhormat Menteri Ta' Berpotfolio, TAN SRI ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N. (Di-lantek). Peguam Negara, TAN SRI ABDUL KADIR BIN YusoF, P.M.N., P.J.K. (Di-lantek). Menteri Dengan Tugas2 Khas dan Menteri Penerangan, TAN SRI MUHAMMAD GHAZALI BIN SHAFIE, P.M.N., D.I.M.P., P.D.K. (Di-lantek). 4559 13 DISEMBER 1971 4560 DO'A JURURAWAT2 DAN TUNTUTAN TANGGA-GAJI SAMA (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan 2. Tuan Hor Cheok Foon (Di-bawah S.O. 24 meshuarat) (2)) minta Perdana Menteri menyatakan: (a) mengapa-kah Jabatan-nya gagal untok JAWAPAN2 MULUT BAGI menyiasatkan rasa tidak puas hati di­ PERTANYAAN2 kalangan jururawat2 berkenaan dengan tuntutan tangga-gaji sama yang telah 2 BADAN2 SEPARA KERAJAAN DAN di-kemukakan bertahun ; SHARAT2 PERKHIDMATAN- (b) bila-kah tangga-gaji sama bagi juru­ SUROHANJAYA rawat2 akan di-laksanakan; dan (c) bila-kah akan di-berhentikan potongan 1. Tuan Lim Kit Siang minta Perdana 2 Menteri menyatakan sama ada terdapat 103 daripada gaji2 jururawat bagi tarikh akhir, jika ia, bila, untok menamatkan mereka yang tinggal di-asrama 2• Laporan Surohanjaya Penyiasatan di-Raja mengenai Badan2 Separa Kerajaan bagi Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tangga-gaji dan sharat2 perkhidmatan, dan (a) Tuntutan2 Jururawat wanita bukan-lah sama ada beliau dapat memberi jaminan soal tuntutan gaji sama dengan kaum yang Laporan tersebut akan di-beri tindakan lelaki tetapi ada-lah tuntutan untok oleh Kerajaan dan bukan-nya di-lambat2kan mendapatkan gaji yang sama dengan saperti yang telah berlaku terhadap laporan2 Pembantu2 Hospital. Sekim per­ Kerajaan yang lain. khidmatan Jururawat dan Pembantu2 Hospital ada-lah berasingan dan oleh Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang demikian tuntutan persamaan gaji Surohanjaya ini telah di-lantek pada 25hb dengan jenis pekerja lelaki yang ber­ Mei, 1971, dan mengikut tugas2-nya Surohan­ lainan jawatan itu tidak-lah termasok jaya ini hendak-lah menyediakan laporan dan dalam erti kata tuntutan tangga-gaji shor2-nya untok di-kemukakan kapada yang &ama dengan pekerja lelaki yang sama jawatan. Kabinet dalam tempoh 6 bulan. (b) Berdasarkan kapada penjelasan yang Semenjak penubohan-nya, Surohanjaya ini saya berikan tadi maka soal melaksana­ telah mendapati bahawa tugas2-nya lebeh kan tangga-gaji sama bagi Jururawat2 rumit daripada yang di-jangkakan pada tidak berbangkit. awal2-nya. Atas permintaan Surohanjaya ini (c) Kerajaan telah membatalkan potongan Jema'ah Menteri telah bersetuju melanjutkan 103 daripada gaji Jururawat2 yang tempoh bagi Surohanjaya itu menyiapkan tinggal di-asrama2. laporan-nya sa-hingga bulan Jun tahun 1972. SOKONGAN KAPADA NEGERP Pehak Kerajaan tidak bemiat hendak me- ARAB-PENDIRIAN MALAYSIA lambat2kan tindakan terhadap mana2 laporan Surohanjaya Penyiasatan. 3. Tuan Mustapha bin Hussain minta Menteri Luar Negeri menyatakan ada-kah Kerajaan berchadang untok membantu negeri2 Arab Tuan V. David: (Dengan izin) Mr Speaker bukan hanya dengan sokongan mulut di­ Sir, from past experience we have discovered Bangsa2 Bersatu sahaja tetapi dengan meng­ that the Government does not implement hantarkan "token force" dalam perjuangan fully the reports or findings of such Commis­ dengan Israel, jikalau tidak, ada-kah Kera­ sions. Sir, will the Prime Minister assure jaan menubohkan satu angkatan sukarela. this House that the Government will fully implement the findings of this Commission? Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah tidak benar bahawa Kerajaan Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Malaysia hanya memberikan sokongan mulut Kerajaan sentiasa menimbangkan semua di-Persidangan2 Antarabangsa saperti Per­ penyata Surohanjaya dan kalau di-fikirkan tubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu semata2; ini ada­ menasabah akan di-laksanakan. lah temyata dengan tertuboh-nya sa-buah 4561 13 DISEMBER 1971 4562 Jawatan-kuasa Bantuan Palestine, yang Menteri Kewangan (Tun Tan Siew Sin): Kerajaan telah menyokong penubohan-nya, (Dengan izin) The Government is satisfied untok menyalorkan bantuan2 wang daripada that it can find, from domestic as well as ra'ayat Malaysia. Kerajaan telah juga mem­ foreign sources, the money needed to finance benarkan pertubohan Al-Fatah untok the Second Malaysia Plan. It should, how­ menempatkan sa-orang wakil-nya di-Kuala ever, be made clear that such funds as the Lumpur. Government seeks to obtain will be for development in the public sector. The volume Saya suka memberitahu Ahli Yang Ber­ of foreign commitments in the private sector hormat bahawa pendirian Kerajaan Malaysia is difficult to determine at this stage; however, sa-takat ini telah di-sanjong tinggi oleh foreign investment is expected to play an Kerajaan2 Arab. Kerajaan tidak berchadang important role. The private sector will by sama ada untok menghantar "token force" and large finance its own investments with, atau pun menubohkan satu pasokan suka­ of course, every encouragement from the 2 relawan untok bersama dalam perjuangan Government. dengan Israel. Saya penoh keyakinan bahawa 2 negara Arab mempunyai bala tentera yang Dr Chen Man Hin: (Dengan izin) Can the lebeh daripada menchukopi untok memper­ Honourable Minister tell us how much of tahankan diri mereka. Kerajaan juga ada-lah private investment has been spent during the menentang penyelesaian masaalah2 antara­ first year-1971-of the Second Five-Year bangsa dengan menggunakan kekerasan. Malaysia Plan? Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Tun Tan Siew Sin: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ada-kah Kerajaan membenarkan sa-kira-nya that is obviously a different question. I shall ada ra'ayat negeri ini suka berjuang bersama2 require notice of it. dengan Pembebasan Palestine atau pun Al­ Fatah untok pergi ka-sana bagi menentang Dr Chen Man Hin: Will the Honourable pencherobohan Israel. Minister also tell us up to this date how much of foreign investment has found its way Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, into Malaysia? itu kita akan timbangkan. Tun Tan Siew Sin: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: the Honourable Member should know that Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-kah sa-hingga ini it is obviously impossible for me to give Kerajaan ada memberi bantuan yang figures of that kind without any notice. merupakan senjata atau pun kewangan kapada Gerakan Pembebasan Palestine atau pun Gerakan Arab menentang pena'alokan HUTANG NEGARA-JUMLAH Israel di-wilayah-nya. 5. Dr A. Soorian (di-bawah S.O. 24 (2)) minta Menteri Kewangan menyatakan jumlah Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Hutang Negara serta butir2 lengkap mengenai saya telah terangkan tadi bantuan2 yang hutang2 tempatan dan luar negeri dan faedah Kerajaan telah memberikan sa-hingga hari yang terpaksa di-bayar sa-tiap tahun; dan ini. nyatakan sama ada Hutang Negara akan berta.mbah di-dalam tempoh 5 tahun yang PELABORAN MODAL DALAM akan datang; dari jika ya, hingga banyak SEKTOR SWASTA mana. 4. Dr Chen Man Hin bertanya kapada Menteri Kewangan sama ada benar semua Tun Tan Siew Sin: (Dengan izin) Tuan wang yang di-perlukan untok membiayai Yang di-Pertua, questions of this nature have Ranchangan Malaysia Kedua sudah di­ been asked repeatedly in this House and the perolehi, dan ada-kah ini termasok pelaboran answers thereto can be easily found in the modal dalam sektor swasta dan berapa Annual Estimates of Malaysia Federal banyak-kah modal ini dari luar negeri. Revenue and Expenditure. 4563 13 DISEMBER 1971 4564 The national debt is expected to increase Toan Abdul Taib bin Mahmud: Tuan during the next five years as a result of Yang di-Pertua, jawapan-nya ya. Kerajaan implementing the Second Malaysia Plan, and ini ingin memulakan satu ranchangan the forecast is published in the document khidmat wajib sa-lama dua tahun ka-atas entitled "Second Malaysia Plan, 1971-1975". jurutera2 tempatan dalam lapangan2 kejuru­ teraan yang di-kehendaki sangat. JALAN2 DI-LIMBANG DI-BUBOH BATU PERWAKILAN PERDAGANGAN KA-NEGERI CHINA 6. Awang Bungsu bin Abdullah minta Men­ teri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom menyata­ 8. Tuan So Liang Yu bertanya kapada kan bila jalan2 yang berikut di-Sahagian Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan sama Kelima akan di-buboh batu: ada Kerajaan berchadang untok menghantar suatu Perwakilan Perdagangan ka-negeri (a) Jalan Pandaruan di-Limbang. China untok melichinkan urusan2 per­ (b) Jalan Kubong di-Limbang. niagaan antara kedua negara. (c) Jalan Trusan di-Lawas. Timbalan Menteri Kewangan (Toan Ali (d) Jalan Medamit di-Limbang. bin Haji Ahmad): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, (e) Jalan Punang di-Lawas. pada keselurohan-nya perdagangan di­ (f) Jalan Long Tuma di-Lawas. antara Malaysia dengan negeri China ada­ lah berjalan dengan lichin. Rombongan2 Timbalan Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan perdagangan hanya akan di-hantar jika perlu Talikom (Tuan Abdul Taib bin Mahmud): sahaja dan ini pun bergantong kapada sa­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, scmua jalan2 yang suatu tujuan saperti rombongan teknik getah di-sebutkan di-dalam soalan Yang Berhormat untok memberi penerangan teknik yang baru itu ada-lah ranchangan2 Kerajaan Negeri dan atas keistbnewaan menggunakan getah2 terserah-lah kapada Kerajaan Negeri untok keluaran Malaysia. menimbangkan sama ada jalan2 yang tersebut itu patut di-bubohkan dengan batu. SHARIKAT GULA DINDINGS BERHAD-MEMULAKAN Awang Bungsu bin Abdullah: Tuan Yang PERUSAHAAN GULA di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Boleh-kah Yang 9. Toan Su Liang Yo bertanya kapada Berhormat Menteri memberi jaminan supaya Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan sama pembenaan tersebut akan di-pertimbangkan ada beliau sedar bahawa tanah lebeh kurang dalam ulangan perbelanjaan Ranchangan 25,000 ekar di-Dindmgs dan 37,000 ekar di­ Malaysia Yang Kedua supaya ra'ayat di­ Sungkai telah di-berikan kapada Sharikat Bahagian Kelima akan di-buktikan ia-itu Gula Dindings Berhad untok memulakan pembenaan memang-lah memberi berat perusahaan gula tetapi 4,000 hingga 5,000 tentang perkembangan kapada ra'ayat di­ ekar sahaja yang sa-benar-nya telah di-guna­ kan untok menanam tebu. Bahagian Kelima. Toan Ali bin Baji Ahmad: Tuan Yang Tuan Abdul Taib bin Mahmud: Perkara di-Pertua, dari rekod2 yang terdapat di­ itu patut-lah di-minta daripada Kerajaan Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan, Negeri, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. hanya sa-buah sahaja sharikat perusahaan gula yang telah di-berikan kelulusan di­ KHIDMAT WAJIB KA-ATAS negeri Perak ia-itu Sharikat Gula Perak JURUTERA2 TEMPATAN Berhad. Sharikat ini ada-lah merupakan sa­ buah "public limited company". Waiau 7. Tuan Edmund Langgu anak Saga ber­ bagaimana pun, tiga pemegang saham yang tanya kapada Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan terbesar di-Sharikat ini ada-lah terdiri dari­ Talikom sama ada Kerajaan akan memula­ pada: kan khidmat wajib sa-lama dua tahun ka­ (i) Sharikat Gula Dindings Berhad; atas jurutera2 tempatan bagi menentukan (ii) Sharikat Permodalan dan Perusahaan ada-nya jurutera untok usaha2 pembangunan Kebangsaan Perak Berhad; dan negara. (iii) Perbadanan Kemajuan Negeri Perak. 4565 13 DISEMBER 1971 4566

Kementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: (Dengan izin) menyedari ia-itu tanah sa-luas 25,000 ekar As I said just now, the Ministry of di-Daerah Dindings telah di-berikan oleh Commerce and Industry does not know that Kerajaan Perak kapada ketiga2 sharikat the said 37 ,000 acres of land have been given yang di-sebutkan tadi untok di-majukan oleh by the Perak State Government to Gula Sharikat Gula Perak Berhad. Dindings. So the question is, I think, Mr Speaker, the Honourable Member cannot U ntok pengetahuan Ahli Yang Berhonnat understand Malay. pengeluaran gula daripada pokok2 tebu ada­ lah merupakan satu proses yang rumit. Ke­ Tuan Loh Jee Mee: (Dengan izin) Will the menterian ini telah di-beritahu bahawa untok Government grant land for similar purposes menjayakan ranchangan pengeluaran-nya should a new firm apply for it? ada-lah perlu bagi sharikat itu menjalan­ kan-nya sa-chara berperengkat2• Di-pereng­ 2 Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Which Govern­ kat yang pertama, tanah sa-luas kira 10,000 ment do you mean? ekar akan di-tanam dengan tebu. Di­ perengkat yang kedua pula, sharikat tersebut 2 Tuan Lob Jee Mee: Our Government. akan menggunakan kira 22,000 ekar (Ketawa) kawasan tanah bagi penanaman tebu. Saya 2 telah di-beritahu ia-itu kira 9,500 ekar Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, tanah di-Dindings telah pun di-tanam Sir, I wonder what the Honourable Member dengan tebu setakat ini. Ini ada-lah ber­ means by "our Government"? sesuaian dengan ranchangan di-perengkat pertama pengeluaran Sharikat Gula Perak Tuan Loh Jee Mee: The Federal Govern­ Berhad. ment. Berhubong dengan 37,000 ekar tanah di­ Kawa&an Sungkai yang menurut Ahli Yang Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, Berhormat telah juga di-berikan kapada Sir, the power over land lies with the State sharikat yang berkenaan, maka dukachita di­ Government, not with the Federal Govern­ nyatakan bahawa Kementerian ini tidak ment. I hope the Honourable Member will mempunyai apa2 pengetahuan berhubong study the Constitution in detail. (Ketawa) dengan perkara ini. Tuan Hashim bin Gera: Tuan Yang Tuan Su Liang Yu: (Dengan izin) Since di-Pertua, soalan tambahan, tidak-kah boleh 25,000 acres of land in Dindings have been Kerajaan Pusat menarek kuasa Kerajaan given to Gula Perak, out of which about Negeri daripada memberikan tanah yang 10,000 are Malay reservation land, why beribu'2 ekar luas-nya itu kapada swasta, should it be given to Gula Perak? kerana Kerajaan Negeri sa-tengah daripada sa-tengah-nya sudah lupa kapada kewajipan­ nya untok memberi tanah kapada orang2 Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang 2 di-Pertua, saya fikir Ahli Yang Berhormat miskin hanya kapada gudang , sharikat2 itu tidak berapa iaham bahasa Malaysia. yang besar sa-bagaimana di-negeri saya, Saya tidak kata daripada di-berikan kapada Perak? 3 sharikat yang tersebut ya'ani Sharikat Gula Dindings Berhad, Sharikat Permodalan dan Tuan Yang di-Pertua: (Kapada Tuan Perusahaan Kebangsaan Perak Berhad dan Hashim bin Gera) Dudok-lah, biar dia jawab. juga Perbadanan Kemajuan Negeri Perak 2 Tuan Ali bin Baji Ahmad: Tuan Yang dan tanah ini di-kelolakan oleh ketiga di-Pertua, ada-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat itu sharikat ini ada-lah merupakan pemegang bersedia memujok Kerajaan PAS di­ saham yang terbesar di-dalam Sharikat Gula Kelantan supaya menyerahkan kuasa-nya Perak. kapada Kerajaan Pusat? Tuan Su Liang Yu: About 37,000 acres of Tuan Hashim bin Gera: Tuan Yang land in Sungkai has been given to Gula di-Pertua, soal saya ini, saya ta' ada kuasa Dindings, as the State Government has memujok orang, chuma saya menyuarakan already replied to my question. Is the kapada Kerajaan Pusat, kalau mahu, kalau Ministry ~ware of it? ta' hendak, sudah-lah (Ketawa). 4567 13 DISEMBER 1971 4568 RAKAN2 SHARIKAT GULA DINDINGS Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Mr Speaker, BERHAD MENDAPAT FAEDAH Sir, I think the Honourable Member could TANAH KERAJAAN not understand my replies to the previous two questions. That is why he proceeded on 10. Tuan Su Liang Yu bertanya kapada to this supplementary question. Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan me­ ngapa Kerajaan membenarkan Rakan2 Shari­ Raja Nong Chik bin Raja Ishak: Soalan kat Gula Dindings Berhad mendapat faedah tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Ada-kah daripada tanah yang di-beri oleh Kerajaan; tidak di-sakeliling tanah2 yang telah di­ nyatakan juga di-mana perbelanjaan untok dapati oleh Sharikat Gula dan entah apa projek itu. lagi saya pun ta' tahu-ra'ayat mendapat tanah2 untok menanam tebu supaya dapat Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Ada-lah tidak meninggikan hidup ra'ayat di-tempat itu? benar sangkaan Ahli Yang Berhormat bahawa Kerajaan telah membenarkan Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang Rakan2 Sharikat Gula Dindings Berhad men­ di-Pertua, itu soalan yang lain daripada dapat faedah daripada tanah yang di-beri­ yang berkenaan dengan Sharikat Gula ini. kan oleh Kerajaan. Saperti yang telah saya Soalan tanah, saya fikir lebeh sesuai kalau di-tujukan kapada Kerajaan Negeri Perak. nyatakan kapada soalan dua tadi, yang di­ kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat, Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: Kerajaan tidak pernah memberikan sa­ Soalan tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. barang tanah untok di-gunakan sendiri oleh Apa-kah penyeliaan yang telah di-jalankan Sharikat Gula Dindings Berhad. Apa yang oleh Kerajaan supaya sharikat2 yang mahu sa-benar-nya berlaku ia-lah tanah2 bagi menjalankan perusaan2 membuat gula sa­ maksud penanaman tebu telah di-berikan perti ini benar2 menjalankan kerja-nya kapada ketiga2 sharikat yang menjadi pe­ sesuai dengan hasrat Kerajaan dan tidak megang saham terbesar Sharikat Gula Perak menggunakan kesempatan untok mengambil Berhad. Oleh kerana tanah terseut sekarang tanah itu bagi menchari keuntongan dengan ada-lah di-punyai oleh Sharikat Gula Perak chara yang lain daripada pengeluaran gula? Berhad maka tanah tersebut boleh-lah di­ gunakan oleh sharikat itu bagi maksud2 Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Sa-panjang mereka sesuai dengan perusahaan menge­ yang berkenaan dengan Kementerian Per­ luarkan gula daripada pokok tebu. dagangan dan Perusahaan, sharikat tersebut telah menjalankan mengikut ketentuan2 yang Untok pengetahuan Ahli Yang Berhormat, di-tentukan. Tetapi kalau Ahli Yang Ber­ kilang Sharikat Gula Perak Berhad ada-lah hormat itu hendak tahu chara2 Kerajaan terletak di-Pantai Remis, Daerah Dindings, mengawasi, saya fikir sila-lah datang ka­ Kementerian, boleh-lah di-tunjokkan dan di­ Perak dan anggaran perbelanjaan untok 2 projek ini ada-lah kira2 $50 juta. ajar apa-kah chara -nya.

Tuan Su Liang Yu: (Dengan izin) Sir, KOLEJZ LADANG/INSTITIUT2 9,000 acres of land had been given to Gula PERTANIAN DI-SARAWAK Dinding Berhad. That is how this Gula 11. Tuan Luhat Wan minta Menteri Per­ Perak came into existence. But there was no tanian dan Tanah menyatakan jumlah factory at all by Gula Dinding Berhad when bilangan Kolej2 Ladang dan Institiut2 Per­ the Government had given it the 9,000 acres tanian yang sedang di-tubohkan di-Sarawak of land. dalam masa Ranchangan Malaysia Kedua dan di-mana. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: What is the Timbalan Menteri Pertanian dan Tanah question? (Dato' Abdul Samad bin Idris): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada masa sekarang ada tujoh Tuan Su Liang Yu: The Government gave Pusat Latehan Peladang (Farmers Training to the Company land when there was no Centres) dan dua Institiut Pertanian (Agri­ factory at all set up by the Company. culture Institute) di-negeri Sarawak. Bagi 4569 13 DISEMBER 1971 4570 Ranchangan Kedua pembenaan Pusat2 BANTUAN KAPADA PETANP Latehan Peladang dan lnstitiut Pertanian SARAWAK berikut akan di-bena: 12. Tuan Jonathan Narwin anak Jinggong Tahun 1971/72 ... Pusat Latehan Peladang minta Menteri Pertanian dan Tanah me­ Bintulu, dan lnstitiut nyatakan berapa banyak daripada jumlah Pertanian, Julau. M$155 juta yang di-janjikan untok petani2 Tahun 1972/73 Pusat Latehan Pela­ di-bawah Ranchangan Malaysia Kedua akan dang, Jakar, dan lnsti­ di-bahagikan kapada Sarawak dan untok tiut Pertanian, Debak. apa. Tahun 1973/74 ... Pusat Latehan Pela­ Dato' Abdul Samad bin Idris: Tuan Yang dang, Bau, dan lnstitiut di-Pertua, daripada jumlah $155 juta yang Pertanian, Mukah. di-untokkan dalam Ranchangan Malaysia Tapak untok pembenaan pusat ini mungkin Yang Kedua ada-lah sa-banyak $28.6 juta di-ubah mengikut kehendak peladang2 dan untok ranchangan2 kredit pertanian dan pe­ 2 masaran bagi negeri Sarawak. Berkaitan ini akan di-timbangkan apabila ranchangan 2 di-kaji sa-mula dalam tahun 1973. dengan ranchangan pemasaran Yang Ber­ hormat tentu telah ma'alom bahawa Kerajaan telah meluluskan ranchangan pe­ Tuan Luhat Wan: Soalan tambahan, Tuan masaran lada hitam dan ranchangan Yang di-Pertua. Dapat-kah Kementerian pemasaran ikan. Kedua2-nya akan berjalan yang berkenaan memberi jaminan supaya di-Sarawak sa-belum akhir tahun 1975. penuntut2 yang mengambil kursus pelajaran dalam kolej pertanian ini bila mana mereka Tuan Awang Bungsu bin Abdullah: Soalan tamat daripada pelajaran nanti dapat-kah tambahan. Boleh-kah Yang Berhormat Tim­ pehak yang berkuasa memberikan loan atau balan Menteri memberi keterangan berapa pun duit untok pinjaman supaya mereka banyak-kah dari perbelanjaan yang tersebut dapat menjalankan kerja2 mereka bila mana akan di-beri kapada petani2 di-dalam Baha­ mereka sudah tamat latehan? gian Limbang, Lawas dan juga untok apa?

Dato' Abdul Samad bin Idris: Tuan Yang Dato' Abdul Samad bin Idris: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kemungkinan ini sangat besar oleh di-Pertua, setakat ini belum dapat Kemente­ sebab dalam Ranchangan Malaysia Yang rian ini menentukan jumlah yang akan Kedua ini Persatuan2 Peladang akan di­ di-untokkan dan kami sa-belum menguntok­ tubohkan lebeh banyak lagi di-Sarawak. kan peruntokan ini, tentu-lah berunding Pada masa sekarang ini chuma satu sahaja. lebeh dahulu dengan Kerajaan Negeri Ada-lah di-harapkan pelajar2 yang lulus Sarawak. daripada Pusat Latehan Peladang dan lnstitiut Pertanian ini akan dapat di-ambil PETANI2/NELAYAN 2 PANTAI- bekerja bila Persatuan2 Peladang di-tuboh­ BANTUAN kan kelak. 13. Tuan Andrew Mara anak Walter Unjah bertanya kapada Menteri Pertanian dan Tuan Luhat Wan: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Tanah apa-kah langkah2 yang telah di-ambil bagaimana-kah mereka yang sudah tamat bagi membantu petani2 luar bandar dan dalam pelajaran mereka itu jika mereka nelayan2 pantai dalam usaha memasarkan balek ka-kampong2 sendiri, ada-kah hasil2 mereka supaya memperolehi harga2 Kementerian yang berkenaan akan memberi pasaran yang tettinggi. jaminan supaya membuat satu peluang pe­ kerajaan kapada mereka yang telah tamat Dato' Abdul Samad bin Idris: Dato' Yang dari sekolah itu nanti? di-Pertua, sa-lain daripada meranchang dan melaksanakan ranchangan2 pemasaran yang Dato' Abdul Samad bin Idris: Kementerian lengkap untok padi, ikan, lada hitam, dan ini akan berunding lebeh dahulu dengan kopi, FAMA juga membantu petani2 me­ Kerajaan Sarawak, oleh sebab pertanian ini masarkan hasil pengeluaran mereka yang ada-lah di-bawah Kerajaan Sarawak. lain2 melalui ranchangan pemasaran 4571 13 DISEMBER 1971 4572 "ad hoc" atau ranchangan tertentu. Di­ pengeluaran kampong2 dengan chara bawah ranchangan ini petani2 di-bantu men­ berunding dengan pehak swasta di-dalam dan dapatkan saloran pasaran yang terbaik. di-luar negeri supaya pengeluaran itu boleh Kemudahan2 pengangkutan juga di-atorkan di-jaminkan harga-nya? dan penjualan2 di-awas untok menentukan mereka dapat harga2 yang baik dan layanan Dato' Abdul Samad bin Idris: Soal itu dan juga chara2 pemasaran yang baik dari­ memang dalam salah satu daripada tujuan pada pembeli2. Banyak petani2 dan juga Persatuan Peladang di-wujudkan, bagitu juga pertubohan2 petani telah di-bantu di-bawah Persatuan2 Nelayan ini. Sa-takat ini saya ranchangan ini dalam memasarkan hasil2 belum dapat memberi penjelasan lanjut ber­ pengeluaran mereka saperti buah2an, hubong dengan perkara yang di-timbulkan sayor2an, ubi kayu, kachang tanah, jagong, itu. sekoi dan lain2. Mengenai pemasaran ikan, satu ran­ SHARIKAT PENERBANGAN changan pemasaran ikan telah pun di-ujud­ MALAYSIA YANG BERASINGAN kan di-bawah Akta FAMA dan satu 14. Tuan V. David minta Menteri Pengang­ perbadanan pemasaran ikan telah pun di­ kutan menyatakan kemajuan yang telah di­ tubohkan untok mengawal dan menguruskan buat dalam mengelolakan satu Sharikat ranchangan tersebut. Tujuan utama ran­ Penerbangan yang berasingan bagi Malaysia changan ini ia-lah untok membantu nelayan2 dan bilangan kapal terbang jet yang akan mendapatkan pasaran dan harga2 yang ter­ di-punyai oleh Malaysia apabila Sharikat baik untok tangkapan mereka. Tujuan ini Penerbangan ini memulakan penerbangan-nya akan di-chapai dengan mengawal kegiatan2 dengan nama MAL. pembeli2 borong melalui perlesenan. Ke­ giatan2 mereka serta chara2 dan amalan2 Menteri Pengangkutan (Dato' Haji Abdul perniagaan mereka akan di-kawal untok Ghani Gilong): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menghapuskan atau mengurangkan amalan2 Sharikat Penerbangan Kebangsaan Malaysia yang di-lakukan oleh mereka yang merugi­ telah di-daftarkan di-bawah Akta Sharikat2 kan nelayan2. Perbadanan Pemasaran Ikan pada 3hb April, 1971. Sharikat ini telah akan juga mengadakan kemudahan2 pe­ menandatangani satu Perjanjian Perkhid­ masaran ikan dan mengambil bahagian matan Teknikel dengan Sharikat Penerbangan dalam perniagaan dan memproses ikan. Kebangsaan Australia (QANTAS) dan di­ Tujuan Perbadanan- mengadakan ke­ bawah perjanjian ini menikmati segala ke­ mudahan2 pemasaran serta mengambil mudahan2 kepakaran teknikel QANTAS. bahagian di-dalam perniagaan dan mem­ Semenjak ia di-tubohkan, sharikat ini telah proses ikan ia-lah untok memperbaiki mengambil beberapa kaki-tangan yang perlu sistem pemasaran ikan, meninggikan mutu bagi peranchangan-nya dan pada ketika ini ikan yang di-pasarkan, mengurangkan ada dalam gajian-nya 57 orang. Pada hari belanja pemasaran, menambahkan dan mem­ permulaan sharikat ini menjalankan operasi­ perluaskan lagi saloran pemasaran serta nya yang di-jangkakan tidak lewat daripada menstabilkan harga2 ikan. Semua ini dengan November tahun 1972, sharikat ini di-jangka tujuan supaya nelayan2 mendapat pulangan akan menyerapkan kesemua warganegara yang tertinggi dari hasil2 tangkapan ikan Malaysia yang sekarang ini bekerja dengan mereka dan juga untok memperkuatkan ke­ MSA yang pada ketika itu akan telah dudokan mereka dalam perkiraan mereka memileh bekerja dengan sharikat pener­ dengan orang2 tengah, untok menolong 2 bangan Malaysia. Ada-lah di-jangkakan dalam usaha ini. Melalui Jabatan Pertanian, bahawa pada ketika itu sharikat ini akan Kementerian ini · telah mengatorkan supaya mempunyai kakitangan sa-jumlah lebeh petani2 luar bandar bersatu padu di-bawah 2 kurang 2,000 orang. Sharikat Penerbangan Persatuan2 Peladang. Kerana Persatuan Pe­ Kebangsaan Malaysia yang nama-nya ladang boleh membantu memasarkan hasil2 tanaman. baharu2 ini telah pun di-tukarkan kapada Sistem Penerbangan Malaysia (MAS) akan Tuanku Abdallah Hmi AI-marhom TllUko memilcki sa-jumlah 6 buah kapal terbang jet Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua. ada­ Boeing 737 siri 200. Sa-lain daripada itu kah Kerajaan boleh memikirkan atau meng­ sharikat ini akan memileki sa-jumlah 9 buah kaji perkara yang menjaminkan bahawa kapal terbang jenis Fokker Friendship siri 4573 13 DISEMBER 1971 4574 500 dan 3 buah kapal terbang jenis Britten tolak ka-utara, bila di-tahan oleh Polis, dia Norman Islanders. Sharikat ini juga di-jangka di-dapati tidak ada lesen-di-tahan. Datang akan menyewa sa-kurang2-nya sa-buah kapal ka-gudang itu, atau ka-sharikat pengang­ terbang jenis Boeing 707 untok perkhid­ kutan itu memberi tahu tinggal di-rumah matan2 antarabangsa ka-tempat yang jauh. ini. Bila di-tahankan lori itu di-Balai Polis, maka di-beritahu yang di-sana, yang BAS2 TIDAK LAYAK DI-GUNAKAN- sana balek datang ka-pejabat-nya di-bawa TINDAKAN lesen itu balek, ada-kah tahu? 15. Tuan V. David minta Menteri Pengang­ Dato' Hajl Abdul Ghani Gilong: Tuan kutan menyatakan sama ada beliau sedar Yang di-Pertua, soalan yang ada di-sini ia-lah bahawa banyak bas2 tidak layak di-gunakan. berkenaan dengan bas. Soal lori, itu bukan Apa-kah tindakan yang telah dl-ambil oleh dalam soalan ini-itu soal lain. Kementerian untok mengatasi perkara ini. Tuan Hashim l>in Gera: Tuan Yang Dato' Haji Abdul Ghani Gilong: Tuan di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Ada berapa Yang di-Pertua, Jabatan Pengangkutan Jalan orang-kah jurutera yang bertauliah di-Pejabat ada memereksa semua bas2 tiap2 enam Pengangkutan di-seluroh Malaysia? bulan sa·kali sa-belum bas2 itu di-benarkan (Ketawa) untok di-gunakan di-atas jalan raya. Mungkin Dato' Haji Abdul Ghani Gilong: Soal itu ada juga bas2 yang telah di-pereksa dan tentu-lah Kementerian saya boleh jawab, di-benarkan di-gunakan di-atas jalan mya tetapi saya berkehendakkan notice. mendapati kerosakan sa-belum tarikh peme­ Dato' James Wong Kim Min: May I ask reksaan sa-mula. Sa-kira-nya Jabatan the Honourable Minister whether he is aware Pengangkutan mendapati atau menerima that the MARA buses, and in particular the aduan bahawa bas2 yang demikian itu tidak S.T.C. buses, also in Sarawak, have not been lagi layak di-gunakan, maka J abatan itu functioning at all and are providing very. mengikut kuasa-nya yang di-beri kapada-nya very poor services? akan bertindak memanggil bas2 itu untok di-pereksa sa-kali lagi. Tetapi tidak-lah benar Menteri Pembangunan Negara clan Luar Bandar (Tuan Abdul Ghafar bin Baba): bahawa banyak bilangan bas yang saperti ini. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bas2 di-Sarawak itu Tuan V. David: (Dengan izin) Tuan akan di-serahkan kapada bumiputra di­ Speaker, is it not a fact that numerous Sarawak sendiri menjalankan dan saya per­ complaints have been made-I myself have chaya bas2 itu akan berjalan dengan baik made numerous complaints-and on all these kemudian-nya. complaints no action has been taken by the Dato' James Wong Kim Min: Will the Ministry? Will the Minister see that his Honourable Minister give us an assurance department acts on complaints and replies to that when these buses are given over to the those complaints without delay? bumiputras they will be more efficiently run Dato' Haji Abdul Gliani Gilong: Tinda­ than by a national organisation like kan2 bagi pengaduan yang lepas, sa-panjang the MARA? yang saya tahu sudah pun di-ambil tindakan, Ta• Abdul Ghafar bin Baba: Tuan Yang tetapi jika ada yang belum di-ambil, Tuan di-Pertua, kena-lah tunggu, tengok dahulu Yang di-Pertua, saya minta Yang Berhormat baharu boleh timbul soal itu. itu membuat aduan supaya tindakan akan di-ambil. KELAS1 PERPADUAN RA'AYAT­ KEMAJUAN Tuan Hashim bin Gen: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-kah Menteri Pengangkutan 16. Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus tahu dan sedar bahawa ada di-antara minta Menteri Ta' :Perpotfolio menyatakan: sharikat2 pengangkutan atau juga kilang2 (a) bagaimana-kah kemajuan dalam men­ swasta menipu Kerajaan, ia-itu dengan meng­ jalankan kelas perpaduan masharakat; gunakan dua buah lori pengangkutan yang (b) bilangan kelas tersebut, bilangan guru2 sa-rupa chat-nya, sa-rupa wama-nya, sama dan · murid2; muatan-nya, kerana memakai satu permit dan (c) chara penerimaan guru2 dan murid2 lesen; bila yang satu ini bertolak mithalan­ nya; dan nya ka-Selatan Malaysia dan satu lagi ber- (d) berapa-.kah perbelanjaan-nya. 4575 13 DISEMBER 1971 4576 Menteri Ta' Berpotfolio (Tuan Lee Siok Menteri yang berkenaan menerangkan berapa Yew): Tuan Yang di-Pertua. terlebeh dahulu banyak mereka terdiri daripada orang2 saya ingin membetulkan kesilapan perkataan Melayu, orang2 Tionghua dan lain2? dalam soalan ini. Sa-benar-nya Kerajaan tidak ada ranchangan yang di-gelarkan Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, "Kelas Perpaduan Masharakat". Ran­ soalan ini ia~lah soalan lain, tetapi saya boleh changan yang ada ia-lah Ranchangan Kelas jawab perkara ini akan tetapi saya minta-lah Perpaduan Ra'ayat yang kini tetap berjaya Ahli Yang Berhormat memberikan notis dan sudah menchapai kemajuan yang sangat2 terlebeh dahulu. memuaskan. Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: (b) Pada 30hb November, 1971 jumlah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. bilangan kelas yang ada ia-lah 2,572 buah 2 2 Berapa bahasa-kah yang di-ajar di-Kelas dengan pelajar berjumlah 64,659 dan guru Perpaduan Masharakat? sa-ramai 1,466 orang. (c) Pengambilan guru2 Kelas Perpaduan Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ra'ayat ada-lah terta'alok kapada sharat sa-benar-nya saya telah menjawab yang kita bahawa chalun2 mesti-lah mempunyai: tidak ada Kelas Perpaduan Masharakat; kita kelayakan sa-kurang2-nya Sijil Rendah Pe­ ada mempunyal Kelas Perpaduan Ra 'ayat lajaran dengan mendapat kepujian dalam sahaja; bahasa yang kita ajarkan ia-lah perkara Bahasa Malaysia atau pun Lulus Bahasa Malaysia sahaja. Darjah VI Sekolah Kebangsaan sa-belum tahun 1957. Di-samping itu, guru2 terlateh Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: yang mengajar di-sekolah2 ada-lah juga di­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-kah benar bahawa galakkan mengajar di-kelas2 ini. di-bawah anjoran Kelas Perpaduan Ra 'ayat 2 ini juga di-ajarkan bahasa China ia-itu Chalun yang mempunyai: kelayakan bahasa Mandarin? saperti yang di-nyatakan ada-lah di­ temuduga oleh suatu Lembaga Temuduga Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang di-pengerusikan oleh Pengerusi Jawatan­ yang sa-benar-nya orang2 yang bukan China kuasa Muhibbah Daerah ia-itu Pegawai saperti orang2 Melayu yang hendak belajar Daerah berkenaan dan perakuan Lembaga bahasa China ada-lah di-bantu oleh itu kemudian-nya di-hantar ka-Pejabat organisasi2 sukarela-yang mengajar bahasa Muhibbah Negara untok mendapatkan ke­ Mandarin, tetapi ini bukan di-bantu oleh putusan muktamad dari Setiausaha Kerja, Kerajaan saya. Pejabat Muhibbah Negara. Kelas2 Perpaduan Ra'ayat ada-lah terbuka Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: kapada semua ra 'ayat Malaysia bukan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak-kah Kementerian Melayu yang ingin mempelajari Bahasa ini mengeluarkan elaun-nya atau pun gaji­ Malaysia asalkan mereka ini berumor 16 nya? tahun ka-atas dan tidak sedang belajar di­ Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekolah2 Kerajaan dan sekolah yang di­ saya telah menjawab, perkara ini ia-lah di­ biayai: Kerajaan. bantukan oleh organisasi sukarela. Jadi, ter­ (d) Perbelanjaan bagi menjalankan ran­ pulang kapada organisasi itu hendak changan Kelas Perpaduan Ra 'ayat bagi tahun membantu atau pun tidak. 1971 ada-lah lebeh kurang $1,360,000.00. Perbelanjaan ini termasok-lah elaun bagi Tuan Fan Yew Teng: Tuan Yang di­ guru2 dan penyelia2, perbelanjaan Pertua, soalan tambahan. Ada-kah Kemen­ pentadbiran, perchetakan buku2 teks dan terian ini menimbangkan bahawa tata-ra'ayat perbelanjaan2 runchit. mesti sa-harus-nya jadi satu perkara yang di-pelajari oleh murid2 di-dalam kelas2 ini Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: untok menggalakkan perpaduan? Soalan tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Dari sa-ramai itu, guru2 yang di-lantek oleh Kera­ Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jaan untok Kelas Kemajuan Perpaduan perkara ini akan di-ambil perhatian saya Ra'ayat ini, boleh-kah Yang Berhormat sendiri. 4577 13 DISEMBER 1971 4578 ANAK ANGKAT BERBILANG Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: KAUM-PROJEK MUHIBBAH Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minta kenyataan daripada Menteri tidak-kah sa-patut-nya 17. Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus pehak Kementerian itu tahu tentang galakan minta Menteri Ta' Berpotfolio menyatakan yang telah di-beri oleh Kementerian itu, ada-kah ranchangan mengambil anak angkat yang telah di-jalankan oleh pehak2 Jawatan­ antara berbilang kaum di-negara ini maseh kuasa Perpaduan Negeri? berjalan dan itu satu2-nya projek muhibbah dan jika ya, berapa ramai yang telah terlibat dalam ranchangan ini dan bagaimana ke­ Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dudokan sa-terus-nya. soalan itu saya telah pun jawab.

Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: ranchangan mengambil anak angkat antara Sa-kali lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau berbilang kaum di-negeri ini memang maseh telah jawab pun, saya hendak tahu sa-patut­ berjalan dan ada-lah satu2-nya projek nya tahu atau sa-patut-nya tidak tahu-nya, muhibbah, tetapi ranchangan ini ada-lah di­ itu sahaja? anjor dan di-kelolakan oleh Jawatan-kuasa Muhibbah Negeri masing2 ikut budibichara­ Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, nya clan saya tidak dapat memberitahu akan saya sudah jawab; ini satu perjalanan yang ramai-nya yang telah terlibat. baik memang-lah saya tahu.

Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak-kah pehak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau bagitu, kenapa­ Kementerian ini menggalakkan usaha2 yang kah Yang Berhormat Menteri itu tidak boleh demikian itu? terangkan bilangan-nya?

Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Itu bukan soalan­ ini ada-lah tanggong-jawab Jawatan-kuasa nya. Kalau hendak bertengkar macham itu Muhibbah Negeri, jadi memang-lah pejabat bukan masa ini (Ketawa). saya menggalakkan mereka itu mengambil 2 apa ranchangan yang baik saperti merapat­ BAHASA KEBANGSAAN BAGI kan semangat muhibbah antara kita. PENUNTUT2 MALAYSIA DI-LUAR NEGERI Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak-kah apakala 18. Dato' James Wong Kim Min minta pehak Kementerian ini menggalakkan usaha2 Menteri Pelajaran menyatakan: saperti itu pehak Yang Berhormat Menteri (a) apa-kah peratoran2 dan pertolongan2 ini tahu tentang banyak mana perjalanan yang sedang di-beri kapada penuntut2 yang telah di-ambil oleh Jawatan-kuasa Per­ Malaysia di-luar negeri untok mem­ paduan Peringkat Negeri? pelajari Bahasa Kebangsaan; dan (b) apa-kah bantuan yang telah di-beri Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Apa soalan tam­ oleh Kerajaan kapada Asrama2 Pe­ bahan-nya? nuntut2 Malaysia di-luar negeri.

Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: Menteri Pelajaran (Tuan Hussein bin Soalan tambahan-nya, tidak-kah Yang Ber­ Dato' Ono): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, hormat Menteri itu menyatakan kapada 2 2 Dewan m1 perkara yang sa-benar-nya (a) Peratoran dan pertolongan ada-lah tentang hal itu dengan tidak menyatakan saperti berikut: bahawa perkara ini telah di-buat oleh negeri (i) mengadakan kelas·2 Bahasa Ke­ sa-mata2? bangsaan dengan perchuma; dan (ii) membayar elaun2 kapada guru Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Itu sudah di-jawab yang mengajar Bahasa Kebang­ tadi. saan itu. 4579 13 DISEMBER 1971 4580 (b) Bantuan yang di-beri kapada Asrama2 Ketua Pengarah Pelajaran yang telah di· Penuntut2 Malaysia di-luar negeri ia­ siarkan di-dalam a.khbar pada 20hb Sep­ lah: tember. (i) menanggong semua perbelanjaan mengenai penyelenggaraan asra­ . Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Ono: Tuan Yang ma2 tersebut ia-itu termasok d1-Pertua, dasar dan sistem pentadbiran pembayaran gaji k:apada semua pelajaran negeri Sarawak ada-lah di-bawah pekerja2-nya, subsidi mak:anan Kerajaan Negeri Sarawak. Oleh yang demi· penuntut dan segala perabut serta kian, sa-barang langkah untok menchantum· alat2 kelengkapan; kan sistem pelajaran negeri Sarawak dengan sistem pelajaran kebangsaan hendak-lah (ii) menolong penuntut2 sa-chara 2 terbit-nya daripada Kerajaan Negeri itu bantuan daripada Kira Ama­ sendiri. nah Kebajikan dan Kemudahan Penuntut2 (Students' Welfare and Amenities Funds); PENUNTU1'2 UNIVERSITP/KOLEJ2- (iii) mengadak:an bahan bachaan LANGKAIF TATA-TERTIB saperti buku2, majallah2 dan 2 20. Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya surat .khabar; kapada Menteri Pelajaran sama ada beliau (iv) mengadakan alat2 permainan sedar tentang ada-nya sa-tengah2 penuntut dalam rumah. di-Universiti2 dan Kolej2 yang kelakuan-nya bertentangan dengan asas moral dan Tuan Haji Abdul W ahab bin Y onus: undang2 serta merupak:an keganasan di­ Soalan tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. dalam kampus dan asrama, dan Ada-kah pengajaran saperti ini termasok 2 (a) apa-kah langkah2 tata-tertib yang di­ yang di-beri kapada jururawat kita yang ambil terhadap mereka dan ada-kah belajar di-luar negeri dengan sebab banyak mangsa2 mereka itu penuntut2 dari juga jururawat kita yang belajar di-luar luar bandar; dan negeri yang bukan daripada keturunan Melayu atau bumiputra yang kurang boleh (b) ada-kah penuntut2 ini termasok mereka berchakap dalam Bahasa Kebangsaan? yang menerima biasiswa Kerajaan. Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Ono: Tuan Yang Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Onn: Apa maksud 2 di-Pertua, saya tidak faham tentang apa soolan tambahan, jururawat apa? Ini ber­ yang di-maksudkan oleh Ahli Yang Ber­ kenaan dengan mengadakan kelas mempe­ 2 lajari Bahasa Kebangsaan dan bantuan di­ hormat berkenaan dengan perkataan , "ke­ lakuan-nya bertentangan dengan asas moral beri kapada asrama, siapa yang ada di-situ 2 menggunakan-nya. dan undang serta merupakan keganasan2", dan lain2• Oleh itu, saya tidak dapat-lah Tuan Abu Dakar bin Umar: Soalan menjawab soalan ini. tambahan. Berapa. buah-kah asrama2 pe­ nuntut2 Malaysia di-luar negeri yang ada Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Anhad: Tuan Yang pada masa sekarang ini dan di-mana di-Pertua, di-antara rupa asas yang merupa­ 2 negeri2-nya? kan asas moral, baharu ini saya dapat tahu Kementerian ini telah mengeluarkan arahan 2 Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Ono: Tuan Yang supaya penuntut kita yang berambut di-Pertua, itu saya boleh jawab, tetapi itu panjang itu di-ambil tindakan, sudah-kah soalan lain. Saya berkehendakkan notis. di-ambil tindakan atas perk:ara itu? Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Ono: Tuan Yang SISTEM PELAJARAN KEBANGSAAN- di-Pertua, sa-masa menerangk:an sa-macham MENCHANTUMKAN itu dalam persoalan-nya berkenaan dengan 19. Tuan Edwin anak Tangkun minta bertentangan dengan asas moral itu luas Menteri Pelajaran menyatakan bila sistem sangat. Sama ada asas moral ini mengenai pelajaran di-Sarawak akan di-chantumkan rambut panjang, rambut pendek; baju dengan sistem pelajaran kebangsaan, me· panjang. baju pendek. Itu yang saya hendak mandang kapada janji yang di-buat oleh tahu. ------

4581 13 DISEMBER 1971 4582 Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Anhad: Soalan PETI2 TALIVISHEN/RADIO- tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Saya BILANGAN hendak tahu . 21. Tuan Abu Bakar bin Umar minta Menteri Penerangan dan Menteri dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertoa: Nanti dahulu! Tugas2 Khas menyatakan berapa-kah bilangan peti talivishen dan pe~i2 radio ya°:g di-gunakan di-seluroh Malaysia Barat d1- Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Soalan tambahan, waktu ini. Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Ada-kah Menteri yang berkenaan kalau sa-kira-nya tudohan Menteri Penerangan dan Menteri dengan wakil dari Muar Utara, sa-benar-nya ada­ Tugas2 Khas (Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali kah bukti2 yang beliau boleh memberi bin Shafie): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, payah kapada Dewan ini. saya hendak dapat beri bilangan dengan tepat berkenaan dengan TV dan Radio di­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ini bertanya ka­ Malaysia Barat pada masa ini. Tetapi yang mana di-arahkan soalan-nya? Ka-sana-kah saya dapat beri angka peti yang berlesen, atau ka-sini (Kapada Tuan Yang di-Per­ saperti berikut: tua)? Ta' boleh! Bilangan TV yang berlesen 213,695 (termasok juga radio) Bilangan lesen radio ... 322,832 Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Arshad: Soalan tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Saya lan­ Ini pula bukan berma'ana-nya bilangan peti jutkan lagi soalan saya berhubong dengan radio, kerana sa-buah rumah itu dia boleh asas moral yang telah saya katakan tadi sa­ mempunyai: dua tiga radio dengan satu lesen bagaimana sedia ma'alum pehak yang ber­ sahaja. Sekian, terima kaseh. kenaan-Kementerian telah mengarahkan 2 Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Soalan tambahan, supaya penuntut kita yang berambut pan­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Ada-kah Menteri jang yang melampaui itu di-ambil tindakan yang berkenaan sedar beberapa orang yang dengan di-potong. Ada-kah langkah ini telah mempunyai: radio atau talivishen tidak ber­ di-buat hingga pada masa ini? lesen dan jika Menteri sedar apa tindakan yang akan di-ambil oleh Kementerian-nya Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Ono: Tuan Yang untok mengambil tindakan yang sa-wajar­ di-Pertua, itu yang saya kata kalau dapat nya? soalan itu tepat sa-bagaimana yang di-ke­ Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali bin Shafie: hendaki oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sedar itu memang senang-lah saya menjawab-nya. Soalan ini sedar. Banyak orang2 yang melarikan, yang pada ta' tepat dengan sebab moral banyak, chuba mengelakkan daripada Jnembayar aspek2, kelakuan2 yang barangkali di­ lesen, tetapi segala langkah sedang di-ambil fikirkan oleh Yang Berhormat itu tidak ber­ bahkan soal yang akan datang itu, kalau ada tentangan dengan moral. ltu yang saya masa lagi akan di-jawab berkenaan dengan hendak satu-persatu-nya. Jadi senang saya soal ini. menjawab-nya. Jadi, kalau saya menchadang­ kan kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu PENGGUNA2 RADIO/TALIVISHEN mendatangkan soalan yang tepat pada masa TANPA BERLESEN-BILANGAN akan datang dapat saya menjawab-nya. 22. Tuan Abu Bakar bin Umar minta Menteri Penerangan dan Menteri dengan Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman bin Ya'kub: Tugas2 Khas menyatakan sa-lama ada-nya Soalan tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. kempen membayar lesen radio dan talivishen Ada-kah Yang Berhormat Menteri Pela­ menerusi radio dan talivishen di-lancharkan, jaran bersetuju bahawa rambut panjang sa­ berapa ramai pengguna2 radio dan talivishen perti rambut Menteri Hal Ehwal Sarawak, tanpa berlesen telah di-hadapkan ka-mahka­ rambut panjang saperti Pa' Haji dua orang mah dan berapa pula jumlah2 mereka yang di-atas itu tidak bertentangan dengan moral di-denda dan di-rampas peti2 radio dan di-negeri ini? (Ketawa). talivishen mereka. 4583 13 DISEMBER 1971 4584 Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali bin Shafie: Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali bin Shafie: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bilangan mereka Ini tidak pernah dengar hal macham ini yang di-bawa ka-Mahkamah dan di-da'awa dalam dunia ini (Ketawa). ia-lah 11,209 (pada tahun ini daripada bulan Januari hingga Oktober). Jumlah mereka Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: yang di-jatohkan hukum ia-itu di-denda Soalan tambahan. Ada-kah Yang Berhormat ia-lah 7,585 tetapi bilangan peti2 yang di­ Menteri yang berkenaan berchadang untok tidak mengenakan hukuman kapada mereka rampas tersangat-lah sadikit bilangan-nya, ta' dapat saya hendak terangkan. yang tidak mengai:nbil lesen di-perengkat yang pertama bahkan hanya dengan mem­ Tuan Abu Dakar bin Umar: Tuan Yang beri satu notis memberitahu bahawa: Tuan di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Ada-kah di­ tidak ada lesen dan tempoh dalam masa dapati mereka2 yang tidak membayar lesen 14-15 hari ambil lesen. Jika tidak, tindakan itu kerana tidak ada mempunyai wang, atau mahkamah akan di-ambil. pun sengaja tidak mahu membayar lesen? Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali bin Shafie: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara bagini kita Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali bin Shafie: mesti mengikut chara undang2 (rule of law) Itu wallah huallam, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. dan sekarang undang2 ini menentukan (Ketawa) chara2 bagaimana perkara ini di-buat. Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Arshad: Ada-kah PENGGUNA2 RADIO/TALIVISHEN Yang Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan ini TIDAK MAMPU BAYAR LESEN dapat melonggarkan tata-tertib supaya orang yang tidak membayar lesen itu tidak di­ 23. Tuan Abu Bakar bin Umar minta bawa ka-Mahkamah. Kita mengenakan dia Menteri Penerangan dan Menteri dengan sa-chara compound sahaja, erti-nya untok Tugas2 Khas .menyatakan sama ada beliau merengankan dia. sedar banyak terdapat peti2 radio tanpa lesen di-gunakan dengan sebab pengguna2- Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali bin Shafie: nya tidak berkemampuan membayar lesen Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal chara2 mengutip $12 sa-tahun, dan jika ya, sama ada beliau lesen ini sekarang sedang di-review oleh berchadang untok menurunkan pembayaran Kementerian saya. chukai tersebut kapada kadar yang dapat di-bayar oleh pengguna2 radio khas-nya Tunku Abdullah ibni Al-marhum Tuanku pendudok2 luar bandar yang makan pagi Abdul Rahman: Ada-kah kemungkinan Ke­ kais pagi. rajaan untok menerima lesen2 itu atau membayar lesen itu apabila radio atau Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali bin Shafie: talivishen set di-jual pada masa itu di-kutip Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini lebeh kurang juga lesen-nya untok dua tahun, tiga tahun supaya macham yang kita sudah chakap tadi, yang menyenangkan juga orang2 yang mempunyai di-jawab tadi ia-itu saya tahu peti2 radio radio dan talivishen. yang tidak berlesen yang sebab-nya si­ pemilek itu tidak dapat membayar $12 Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali bin Shafie: sa-tahun itu memang ada. Oleh sebab itu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini-lah satu daripada macham saya sebutkan tadi, Tuan Yang soal yang sedang di-review pada masa ini di-Pertua, bahawa Kementerian Penerangan oleh Kementerian Penerangan. Apa-kah ini sedang me-review, mengulang-kaji soal ini boleh di-jalankan atau tidak, atau baik bagaimana chara-nya kita boleh mengatasi di-jalankan atau tidak, sekarang sedang di­ problem yang di-hadapi ini. pertimbangkan dan satu hari kelak tidak Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: berapa lama lagi ada-lah harapan daripada 2 Soalan tambahan. Ada-kah pehak Kemen­ Kementerian itu untok menyampaikan shor terian Penerangan berchadang hendak dan chadangan kapada Kerajaan. menurunkan lesen radio daripada $12 Dato' James Wong Kim Min: (Dengan kapada $10 atau pun lebeh bawah lagi? izin) Mr Speaker, Sir, will those radio set Tan Sri Muhammad Ghazali bin Shafie: owners, who are dissatisfied with the service Tuan Yang di-Pertua, minta sabar dahulu given by the Ministry of Information, be sampai ranchangan ini atau perkara itu di­ able to obtain a rebate for their licence? kaji betul2 atau di-review. 4585 13 DISEMBER 1971 4586 Tuan Yang di-Pertoa: Masa sudah chukup. tindakan menchegah kekotoran ada-lah di­ ambil terhadap golongan pendudok2 yang (Masa untok Pertanyaan2 bagi Jawab Mulut kechil ini. telah chukup dan Jawapan2 Lisan bagi Pertanyaan2 No. 24 hingga 31 ada-lah di­ (Dengan izin) It is not practicable to keep beri di-bawah ini). and maintain every part of the town of the size of Kuala Lumpur spotlessly clean all the time, but I am sure that the Honourable KEMPEN KEBERSEHAN BANDAR Member will agree with me that since the KUALA LUMPUR coming into force of the Anti-Litter Law in 24. Tuan Ramli bin Omar bertanya kapada Kuala Lumpur on 1st December, 1969, there Menteri Teknoloji, Penyelidekan dan Kera­ has been considerable improvement in the jaan Tempatan: standard of cleanliness of the Town. (a) mengapa-kah maseh di-dapati tempat2 With regard to parts (b) and (c) of the kotor di-Bandar Kuala Lumpur walau question, cleaning of the Town is carried out pun Undang2 Menchegah Kekotoran every day of the year by the Municipality. telah di-kuatkuasakan; The purpose of holding "Cleanliness Cam­ (b) ada-kah oembersehan itu di-jalankan paigns" periodically is to instil CIVIC pada waktu "Kempen Kebersehan" consciousness among the citizens of Kuala sahaja; dan Lumpur and to educate them not to throw (c) bagaimana-kah chara-nya Pehak Per­ rubbish indiscriminately but to throw the bandaran Kuala Lumpur dapat mem­ rubbish into the bins and receptacles pro­ bersehkan bandar ini. vided for the purpose. In spite of periodical cleailliness campaigns that have been carried Menteri Telmoloji, Penyelidekan dan out, there are still a small section of the Kerajaan Tempatan (Dato' Ong Kee Hui): population who persist in littering the Town Ada-lab tidak mungkin untok menjaga dan indiscriminately and regular anti-litter drives mengawas seluroh bahagian bandar sa-besar are directed against this particular group of Kuala Lumpur ini sentiasa berseh sepanjang people. masa, tetapi saya yakin Ahli Yang Berhor­ mat tentu bersetuju dengan saya semenjak PETAK.Z LETAK KERETA PER­ undang2 menchegah kekotoran di-kuat­ BANDARAN KUALA LUMPUR kuasakan semenjak lhb Disember, 1969. Keadaan kebersehan Bandar Kuala Lumpur 25. Tuan Ramli bin Omar bertanya kaoada ada-lah bertambah baik. Menteri Teknoloji, Penyelidekan dan Kera­ jaan Tempatan: Berkaitan dengan soalan2 bahagian (b) dan (a) mengapa-kah sa-tengah petak2 letak (c), pembersehan Bandar Kuala Lumpur saya kereta di-Kuala Lumpur di-sewakan suka menyatakan bahawa pembersehan mengikut jangka bulanan; dan 2 bandar ada-lah di-jalankan tiap hari dalam (b) apa-kah tindakan Kerajaan untok sepanjang tahun oleh Pesurohjaya Thu Kota. mengatasi kekurangan tempat2 letak Tujuan mengadakan kempen kebersehan kereta di-Kuala Lumpur. dari masa ka-samasa ia-lah bertujuan mena­ Dato' Ong Kee Hui: namkan perasaan tanggong-jawab (civic 2 2 (a) Petak letak kereta ada-lah di-sewa­ consciousness) di-kalangan pendudok Ban­ kan mengikut kadar bulanan pada dar Kuala Lumpur, dan mendidek mereka tempat2 di-mana pada masa sekarang supaya tidak membuang sampah-sarap 2 ini, ada di-dapati kekurangan pelang­ di-mana sahaja yang di-sukai tetapi gan letak kereta mengikut kadar kiraan di-kehendakki mereka membuang-nya ka­ jam atau harian. tempat2 atau tong2 yang di-sediakan untok tujuan ini. (b) Perbandaran Kuala Lumpur ada-lah sedang mengatasi kekurangan tempat2 Waiau bagaimana pun maseh ada letak kereta : di-dapati lagi sebahagian kechil daripada (i) dengan menambah bilangan tem­ pendudok2 dalam bandar ini yang maseh pat2 letak kereta yang di-kawal. berdegil membuang sampah di-sana sini dan Dalam tahun 1969, ada lebeh 4587 13 DISEMBER 1971 4588 kurang 1,000 petak letak kereta MENGUNCfil RODA2 KERETA- yang di-kawal. Bilangan ioi telah JUMLAH DI-DENDA di-tambah daripada 1,000 ka­ 26. Tuan Randi bin Omar bertanya kapada pada 2,500 petak dalam tempoh Menteri Teknoloji, Penyelidekan dan Kera­ dua tahun ini dan tindakan ada­ jaan Tempatan: lah di-teruskan untok menambah kawasan2 letak kereta yang di­ (a) semenjak berkuat-kuasa bilangan Pe­ 2 rentah Mengunchi Roda2 Kereta, be­ kawal di-tempat yang di-fikir­ 2 kan perlu. rapa tuan punya kereta yang telah di­ denda dan jumlah denda yang telah (ii) dengan mengadakan tempat2 le­ di-perolehi; dan 2 tak kereta sa-lain daripada jalan (b) apa-kah tindakan terhadap kereta2 dan lorong2 dalam pekao (off. yang menunggu dan menghalang per­ street car parking). Berhubong 2 2 jalanan. kenderaan di-tempat yang dengan ini segala bangunan sebok di-Kuala Lumpur ini. tinggi ada-lah di-kehendakki menyediakan tempat2 letak ke­ Dato' Ong Kee Hui: Semenjak berkuat­ reta mereka sendiri mengikut kuasa-nya Pindahan kapada Road Traffic kadar keluasan bangunan itu. (Control of Parking Places) Order. 1969, yang di-ishtiharkao mengikut Sekshen 62 (iii) dengan mengadakan bangunan2 Ordinan Lalu Lintas, 1958 di-mulai pada lhb tempat letak kereta bertingkat Julai, 1971, 510 buah kenderaan telah di­ yang sekarang ini seclang di­ kunchi dan jumlah denda2 yang di-pungut ranchangkan bagi tambahan ka­ sa-hingga 15hb Nobember, 1971 ia-lah sa­ pada bangunan letak kereta ber­ banyak $7,710/ ·. tingkat yang ada di-Jalan Se­ Berkaitan dengan bahagian (b) soalan ini, kolah. tindakan saman ada-lah di-kenakan ter­ (Dengan izin): hadap pemandu2 atau pemilek2 kenderaan (a) Parking bays are let out on monthly yang mengganggu dan mengbalang perjalanan kenderaan untok di-da'awa di-Mahkamah. basis in places where, at the moment, Tindakan yang sama ada-lah juga di-jalan­ there is no great demand for hourly I kan oleh pehak Polis Bahagian Lalu Lintas. daily parking basis. (b) The Municipality of Kuala Lumpur is (Dengan izin) Since the coming into force of the Amendment to the Road Traffic solving the shortage of parking places (Control of Parking Places) Order, 1969, by: which was promulgated under Section 62 of (i) the increase of controlled car the Road Traffic Ordinane, 1958, with effect parking areas. In 1969, there were from 1st July 1971, 510 vehicles have been about 1,000 controlled car parking clamped and the amount of fines collected places. These have been extended up to 16th November, 1971 is $7,710. to 2,500 during the last two years With regard to part (b) of the question, and continued action will be summonses are served on the drivers or taken to increase these controlled owners of vehicles causing obstruction to parking areas where it is appear in Court. Similar action is also necessary. carried out by the Traffic Police. (ii) Off-street car parking. The Com­ missioner of the Federal Capital SEKOLAH2 JENIS KEBANGSAAN­ MENUKARKAN KA..SEKOLAH2 is insisting on the provision of KEBANGSAAN car parks for multi-storey de­ velopment. 27. Tuan Lim Kit Siang minta Menteri Pelajaran menyatakan sama ada beliau (iii) the provision of multi-storey car dapat memberi suatu jaminan yang Kera­ parks, which are now in the jaan tidak akan menukar Sekolah2 J enis­ planning stage, in addition to the Kebangsaan (China) clan Sekolah2 Jenis­ multi-storey car park at J alan Kebangsaan (Tamil) kapada Sekolah2 Sekolah. Rendah Kebangsaan. 4589 13 DISEMBER 1971 4590 Menterl Pelajaran (Tuan llmlein bin Dato' untok menambahkan lagi pengetahuan Onn): Dasar pelajaran negara kita saperti mereka di-dalam Bahasa Malaysia dan juga yang terchatet dalam Akta Pelajaran. 1961 melateh mereka itu menggunakan Bahasa ia-lah hendak mengadakan satu sistem pela­ Malaysia dengan sa-penoh-nya di-dalam be­ jaran kebangsaan dalam mana Bahasa Ke­ berapa aspek: mata-pelajaran yang mereka bangsaan menjadi bahasa pengantar yang akan mengajar kelak dengan menggunakan utama. Oleh yang demikian, saya tidak Bahasa Malaysia sa-bagai bahasa pengantar. dapat hendak memberi jaminan yang di­ maksudkan itu. SOUTHERN CROSS AIRWAYS (M) (Dengon izin) The Education Policy of our BERBAD-KEPUNYAAN country as enunciated in the Education Act. 1961 is for the establishment of a national 29. Tuan V. David minta Menteri Perdaga­ education system in which the National ngan dan Perusahaan menyatakan tuan Language is the main medium of instruction. punya Southern Cross Airways Chartered I am. therefore, unable to give the assurance Flight dan Poncha modal Sharikat ini serta sought for. perinchian-nya.

2 GURU MENJALANI KURSUS Menteri Perdagangan dan Perosahaan BAHASA MALAYSIA (Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari): Southern 28. Tuan Fan Yew Teng minta Menteri Cross Airways (M) Berhad ada-lah sa-buah Pelajaran menyatakan jumlah guru2 sekolah sharikat persendirian dan Kerajaan tidak menengah yang telah menjalani kursus ada champoran modal di-dalam-nya. Semua Bahasa Malaysia selama 3 bulan di-Maktab keterangan2 yang di-kehendaki oleh Ahli Bahasa di-Pantai Valley, Kuala Lumpur; Yang Berhormat boleh di-dapati dan di­ 2 dan jumlah guru sekolah rendah yang telah pereksa di-Pejabat Pendaftaran Sharikat2, menjalani kursus tersebut di-Kota Bharu Tingkat Pertama, Bangunan Bank Negara, pada tahun 1970 dan 1971 dan sama ada ia Kuala Lumpur, dengan bayaran $3. sedar yang latehan kilat selama 3 bulan itu tidak membolehkan guru2 mengetahui bahasa (Dengan izin) Southern Cross Airways (M) itu dengan sa-chukop-nya dan dengan demi­ Berhad is a private company and Govern­ kian menyebabkan kanakl sekolah yang ment has no equity interest in it. The informa­ keluar sekolah yang tidak berapa tahu mem­ tion sought by the Honourable Member can bacha atau menulis dengan betul-nya akan be obtained on inspection at the Registry of 2 Bahasa Malaysia; dan apa-kah langkah Companies, 1st Floor, Bank Negara Building. yang telah di-ambil oleh Kementerian-nya Kuala Lumpur, on payment of a fee of $3. untok membaiki keadaan yang burok ini.

Tuan Buaein bin Dato' Onn: Bilangan PERTELINGKABAN NELAYANZ guru2 yang telah tamat kursus 3 bulan dalam PANTAI-TENGAB LAUTAN­ Bahasa Malaysia ia-lah: PENYELESAIAN 1970 1971 30. Tuan Goh Hock Guan minta Menteri (i) Di-Maktab Bahasa Pertanian dan Tanah menyatakan: Pantai Valley, Kuala Lumpur 900 (a) siapa-kah 'orang luar' yang di-maksud­ (ii) Di-Maktab Perguruan kan oleh sa-orang pegawai kanan di-Kota Bharu 900 J abatan Perikanan Enche' Halim bin Yamin saperti yang tersiar di-akhbar2 Ahli Yang Berhormat itu nampak-nya pada 6hb September. 1971 sa-bagai salah faham tentang tujuan mengadakan yang bertanggong-jawab menghalang kursus Bahasa Malaysia itu. Sa-benar-nya 2 penyelesaian pertelingkahan di-antara kursus2 itu bukan-nya bagi guru yang meng­ nelayan2 tepi pantai dan tengah lautan. ajar Bahasa Malaysia tetapi guru2 yang mengajar mata-pelajaran2 dalam Bahasa (b) Ada-kah Kerajaan akan menambah­ Malaysia. Mereka itu terdiri dari mereka kan bilangan ahlil Polis Laut bagi yang sudah mempunya! pengetahuan Bahasa mengelakkan pertemporan yang mung­ Malaysia dan kursus 3 bulan ini semata2 kin berlaku lagi. 4591 13 DISEMBER 1971 4592 Menteri Pertanian dan Tanah (Tan Sri kan daripada Kumpulan Wang Pem­ Haji Mohamed Ghazali bin Haji Jawi): bangunan bagi tahun 1972, dan bagi 2 (a) 'Orang Luar' yang di-maksudkan oleh maksud Kepala dan Pechahan -kepala Enche' Abdul Halim bin Abu Yamin perbelanjaan pembangunan yang di­ itu ia-lah mereka yang tidak ada per­ nyatakan di-bawah Kepala Pembangunan hubongan terus dengan perusahaan atau "(P)" dalam Senarai Belanjawan Per­ menangkap ikan. sekutuan bagi tahun 1972 yang di­ bentangkan sa-bagai Kertas Perentah No. (b) Anggota Polis Laut mungkin di-tam­ 47 tahun 1971 ada-lah di-untokkan bah dari satu masa ka-samasa. Setakat di-bawah kepala2 yang berkenaan jumlah2 ini Operasi besar-besaran dari satu yang bertentang dengan pechahan2-kepala masa ka-samasa dan tempat ka-sa­ 2 itu di-ruangan 4 dan 5 senarai tersebut. tempat untok menangkap nelayan (lOhb Disember, 1971). pukat tunda dan nelayan2 pantai kerana menchegah melakukan ke­ Perbahathan di-sambong sa-mula. 2 salahan terhadap undang sedang Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar di-jalankan. Kerjasama yang rapi telah Utara): Bangun. juga di-perolehi dari Tentera Laut di-Raja Malaysia. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Saya tidak kata Ahli Yang Berhormat itu berhak berchakap PERHUBONGAN DIPLOMATIK pada hari ini, sebab saya beri amaran waktu DENGAN CUBA-CHADANGAN dia habis bahathan-nya, barangkali terbuka kapada Ahli2 yang lain. Saya beri lima minit 31. Tuan Hor Cheok Foon minta Menteri lagi untok menutupkan bahathan-nya. Kalau Luar Negeri menyatakan samada beliau ber­ tidak boleh lima minit, beri peluang kapada chadang untok mengadakan perhubongan2 orang lain pula. diplomatic dengan Cuba. Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Arshad: Tuan Yang Menteri Luar Negeri (Tun Baji Abdul di-Pertua, menyambong uchapan saya sa­ Razak): Sunggoh pun Malaysia mengiktirafi malam dan saya patoh kapada nasihat Tuan Cuba soal pertukaran perwakilan dengan Yang di-Pertua. Chuma saya hendak sentoh, negeri itu ada-lah bergantong kapada ke­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berhubong dengan perluan2 negara. Pada masa ini kita tidak banjir bahawa banjir sekarang sedang berlaku ada apa2 ranchangan bagi mengadakan satu dan perkara ini kita katakan dahulu hanya perwakilan di-Havana. 10 tahun sa-kali atau 20 tahun sa-kali, tetapi sekarang banjir ini boleh katakan tiap2 tahun (Dengan izin) Although Malaysia recog­ sa-kali. Jadi dengan keadaan ini menjadikan nises Cuba the question of our establishment satu bebanan kapada negara kita dan juga of representation with that country would kapada ra'ayat dalam negeri ini yang tidak depend on our national priorities. At present, dapat menjalankan kerja-nya dan berapa we have no plan to establish a mission in banyak pula yang maut dengan sebab banjir Havana. ini. Oleh yang demikian, Tuan Yang di­ Pertua, saya menchadangkan kapada Kera­ USUL jaan supaya di-ambil langkah yang tegas memindahkan mangsa2 banjir ini kapada ANGGARAN PEMBANGUNAN, 1972 kawasan yang selamat dengan sa-berapa segera. Sa-lain daripada di-pindahkan Atoran Urusan Meshuarat di-bachakan bagi kapada kawasan yang selamat mereka ini menyambong sa-mula Usul di-buat oleh juga patut di-masokkan dalam ranchangan2 Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar tanah di-kechualikan sharat2 ranchangan Bandar dan Masaalah di-chadangkan: tanah LKTP kapada mereka itu. Sebab-nya, Bahawa menurut Peratoran Meshuarat 67B Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya memandangkan Usul yang berikut ini di-rujokkan kapada masaalah itu kapada mereka itu sa-lama2- sa-buah Majlis : nya tinggal di-pinggir sungai dan sa-lama Bahawa Dewan ini membuat ketetapan itu-lah nasib mereka akan mengalami ber­ ia-itu satu jumlah wang sa-banyak tidak bagai2 kesusahan dan kesulitan termasok juga lebeh daripada $1,334,277,594 di-belanja- bagi pehak Kerajaan. 4593 13 DISEMBER 1971 4594 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang akhir-nya saya mainstream of economic development and hendak kemukakan, ia-itu berhubong dengan progress. pembangunan negara dan luar bandar. Saya mengharapkan walau pun pada masa Five years ago, in 1966, when the Govern­ sekarang Lembaga Kemajuan Kampong ada ment launched the First Five-Year Plan, 2,000 lebeh di-seluroh Malaysia, saya harap Malaysians were also promised that the poor Kerajaan semak dan susun semula supaya and the needy will be able to lead a better di-buat sama chara-nya di-seluroh Malaysia and more fulfilling life at the end of the ini ia-itu tiap2 2,000 pendudok kita adakan Plan period in 1970. During the First Five­ sa-buah J awatan-kuasa Kampong dan Ketua Year Plan, $9,000 million were spent in Kampong itu di-angkat oleh Menteri Besar public and private development of the dan Ketua Menteri dalam Negeri itu dan bagi economy and half a million acres of new ahli Jawatan-kuasa ini juga di-kaji balek land developed. But these data and figures terdiri daripada badan sukarela dalam mean nothing to the 750,000 new villagers, kampong itu, tidak bagaimana yang ada as the country's 400-odd new villages did sekarang. Dan bagi Ketua Kampong ini juga not receive any significant development funds saya mengshorkan supaya di-beri elaun tetap under the First Five-Year Plan. pada satu bulan $60 dan ahli2 Jawatan­ The new villages continued their economic kuasa kampong itu yang menghadhiri decay, with a high rate of unemployment, low meshuarat itu kita beri $3 pada sa-kali productivity and incomes, very backward meshuarat. Ini memandangkan, Tuan Yang social amenities as many of them do not even di-Pertua, pesat-nya ranchangan pem­ have piped water and electricity. The popula­ bangunan yang hendak di-lancharkan oleh tion in the new villages multiplied over the Kerajaan. Tambahan pula, Tuan Yang di­ last twenty years, without corresponding Pertua, segala perkara2 yang hendak di­ enlargement of the territory of the new sampaikan oleh Kerajaan akan di-terima oleh villages, as the Government consistently pendudok2 di-luar bandar. Maka dengan itu, refused to give land to the landless in the saya mengharapkan supaya Kementerian ini adjoining new village areas for them to eke mengambil perhatian penoh atas shor saya out a living. Unemployment in the new yang saya katakan itu. villages was particularly acute, as they could not attract new forms of economic activities Tuan Lim Kit Siang (Bandar Melaka): as industries. In these twenty years, the (Dengan izin) Mr Speaker, Sir, the House is majority of the new villagers were not even asked to approve $1,334 million for next given titles to the land they occupied. As a year's development expenditure. We are told result of this long-standing neglect of the that the development allocations are well wellbeing of the new villagers, the 750,000 balanced and realistic and will contribute to new villagers have become skeptical of the the implementation of the Second Five-Year Government's promises of development. Plan. This is why, to them, the development However, to one great group of Malaysians, estimates of $1,334 million asked for next all these propaganda do not make any year, the Second Malaysia Plan which is to impression. In fact, for them, the last one involve a total expenditure of $14,000 million, year's ceaseless propaganda and publicity and the opening of one million acres of land, avalanche by the Government through the have no meaning, for they have never press, radio and television about the Second benefitted from Government development Five-Year Plan, how it would change the programmes. economy of the country, abolish poverty, It create jobs, and give a new hope and life to is imperative that the Government should immediately put a stop to its policy of the poor and downtrodden, had failed to treating new villages as step-children, of its make any impact whatsoever. These are the economic neglect of new villages to check 750,000 new villagers in Malaysia. For the their economic drift, decay and death. last twenty years, after their compulsory resettlement by the British colonialists, they As land is the biggest problem, I suggest have seen economic development and pro­ that this should be boldly tackled under a gress passed them by. For two decades, the two-pronged approach. Firstly, land titles new villagers have been excluded from the should be expeditiously granted to all new 4595 13 DISEMBER 1971 4596 villagers. Secondly, as the population in the on the new villagers a sense of security new villages have outgrown their limited and permanence so that they could geographical boundaries set by demands of wholeheartedly develop their land. For the first Emergency 20 years ago, coupled this purpose, the Government should with the total lack of new economic oppor­ not give short titles, like 21-year or tunities or employment in the new villages, 33-year leases as in the case of J ohore I call on the Government to set aside 400,000 and Perak, but 99-year leases. acres of land under the Second Malaysia Plan (2) Low premium for titles: The Govern­ for distribution to the new village ment should not impose high premiums unemployed and underemployed to solve for titles which are beyond the means of their economic difficulties. the new villagers, whose incomes are Recently, the Perak Mentri Besar said that very low. Some States like Johore are the overwhelming majority of the new demanding a few thousand dollars, for villagers in Perak's 96 new villages do not the granting of qualified titles. This is want to convert their T.O.L. (Temporary exorbitant and exploitation of the poor. Occupation Leases) into permanent titles as New villagers should be allowed to T.O.L. is cheaper, costing only $10 a year, pay the premium by instalments. while the premium payable for a qualified (3) Special Government loan to help poor, title ranges from several hundred dollars to needy new villagers to acquire titles: a few thousand dollars, depending on each The Central Government, together with State. The economic reasons which made new the State Governments, should set up a villagers prefer the $10 a year T.O.L. tha~ a special Government loan to help poor title with an expensive premium are vahd, and needy new villagers to acquire and should not be disregarded by the Govern­ titles. The loan should be repayable ment. Every villager would like to acquire over 10 or 20 years on easy terms. This title to the land he occupies. But if the is what the Government is doing in the premium payable for such title is too high case of FLDA land schemes, where beyond their limited means, then however settlers are given huge Government much they want to acquire title, they do not loans not only to open and develop have the means to do so. their land, but to acquire their title as To dispossess new villagers and demolish well. their houses, as has been threatened, because We have so far spoken only about the they do not have the financial means to raise problem of land titles. The other areas of new the premium is socially inequitable and village problems, namely, unemployment, economically unjust, and not the action of a poverty, low incomes and productivities, poor Government which really wants to uplift the social amenities as schooling, medical lot of the have-nots of all races, and eliminate services, housing, electricity, community poverty. The Federal and State Governments services are also very great and acute. Only have a special responsibility to the 750,000 a major Government effort on all fronts can new villagers in Malaysia to give them title lift the new villagers out of their trap of to their land and confer them security, poverty and misery. This is why we in the because 20 years ago they were forcibly DAP had pressed on the Government to uprooted from their homes and farms and draw up a blueprint to revive the economy relocated in the present new villages by the of the new villages, and develop them into authorities. It will be the height of Govern­ flourishing new growth centres by ment irresponsibility if any new villager is modernising their economy, the raising of dispossessed of his land, his house their productivity and incomes, the generation demolished, because he is poor and does not of new employment opportunities, through have the financial means to find the money dispersal of industries to new villages, alloca­ to pay the premium to acquire title for his tion of land for the landless, and the land. provision of modern social services as public I suggest to the Government three guide­ housing, electricity, water, medical services, lines to be adopted in the granting of titles improved educational opportunities and to new villagers : recreational and community services. (1) Permanency and security: The Govern­ To do this seriously and efficiently, the ment, in granting titles, should confer Government should set up a special Govern- 4597 13 DISEMBER 1971 4598 ment department or agency to be in charge Has this Committee been formed, when is it of the formulation and implementation of expected to finish its study and will its report policies and programmes which will be made public? Unless the Government can transform the new villages into a genuine give satisfactory answers to these questions, dynamic force for agricultural and economic the 750,000 new villagers will be justified development. in thinking that this is just another one of those delaying tactics of the Government to I regret very much the indifferent attitude shirk from its responsibility and do nothing. that has been shown by the Government and The Prime Minister's reply to the supple­ the Prime Minister to the problems and mentary questions is even more regrettable, plight of the 750,000 new villagers, especially as it is characteristic of the favourite Alliance from his reply to my question last Wednesday pastime of "passing the buck". on whether the Government would set up a When the Prime Minister was asked special department or agency to formulate whether he would expedite the issue of land and implement policies and programmes to titles and advance loans from Central Govern­ promote the economic growth and develop­ ment funds to help needy new villagers to ment of new villages. The Prime Minister acquire title as in the case of F.L.D.A. said there was no need for such a special settlers, the Prime Minister deftly replied that department as the State Governments, these are State matters. Ministries and departments concerned were now carrying out the job. We know, the Mr Speaker, Sir, we know the division of country knows, the 750,000 new villagers subjects between the Federal and State know, that the State Governments, Ministries Governments, but we also know that if the and departments concerned were not carrying Government wants to do a thing, it could do out their jobs. This is why the lot of the new so with despatch even if it is a State matter. villagers have been neglected and deteriorated Thus, although land is a State matter, it did to such a sorry state. The Prime Minister not prevent the Federal Government from announced that the Government has set up a planning and implementing the opening up special committee under the National Security of 500,000 acres of land under the First Council to study all aspects of life in the new Malaysia Plan, and the projected opening of villages. one million acres of land under the Second Malaysia Plan. After all, except for Kelantan This is most unsatisfactory. Firstly, what and Penang, where new villages are negligible, is urgently needed now is not study but the all the other States are under Alliance Party formulation and implementation of policies control. Just as the Federal agency, the and programmes to promote the economic F.L.D.A., could open up hundreds of acres of growth and development of new villages. land, and advance loans to F.L.D.A. settlers Secondly, is a special committee under the despite the fact that land is a State matter, National Security Council an appropriate there is no reason why the Federal Govern­ body to make any study into the problems ment could not step in and help the new and plight of the 750,000 new villagers in villagers to acquire land and advance loans Malaysia? My colleagues and I in the D.A.P. for them to do so, if the Federal Government cannot help having the impression that this is really sincere in wanting to solve the National Security Council Committee on new problem of the 750,000 new villagers in villages will be more interested in looking Malaysia. Apart from land, however, the into the purely security aspect of new villages, Federal Government has a direct respon­ whether they are inherent security threats, sibility for the future of the 400 new villages, rather than into the total socio-economic as the other equally important problems of problems of the 750,000 new villagers. A economic development, creation of job more appropriate instrument would have opportunities, provision of basic social been a Ministerial committee on development amenities must come directly within the of new villages, or a public inquiry com­ province of the Central Government. prising eminent economists, educationists and I therefore urge the Central Government public personalities. Thirdly, what are the to stop "passing the buck", and take upon terms of reference of the National Security itself the responsibility to work for the Council Special Committee on new villages, economic upliftment of the new villagers, in who are the members, what are their powers? conjunction with the State Governments. 4599 13 DISEMBER 1971 4600 If the Federal Government will take this alienate and antagonise them from the initiative, then the problem will be very much Government and society through its undemo­ easier to solve. The Federal Government cratic and oppressive policies. should seriously reconsider the whole problem, and draw up a blueprint to revive These "barbed wires" in the people's hearts new village economy, and set up a special and minds are the cause of national disunity department to implement this blueprint. As and social unrest, and there can only be true most of the State Assemblies are now in national unity and social harmony if the Session, or will be in Session shortly, I Alliance Government makes a thorough would take this opportunity to urge them reappraisal of its political, economic and to declare their commitment to do their social policies and remove these "barbed utmost to uplift the economic lot of the new wires" in public minds and pursue genuine villagers. It is time that the 20-year economic democratic, fair and just political, economic, neglect of the 750,000 new villagers should cultural and social policies. Otherwise all the be ended. I have introduced a motion in this millions earmarked for the development Session of Parliament, which reads : estimates next year, or the thousands of millions earmarked for the Second Malaysia "That this House expresses its deep Plan will fail to achieve the paramount concern at the continued 20-year neglect objective of nation-building in Malaysia-a of the socio-economic development of the united Malaysian people and nation. 400 new villages in the country and their economic drift, decline and death; and One of these "barbed wires" is the 20- calls on the Government to take immediate year neglect of the economic poverty of the action to plan the social and economic 750,000 new villagers. Another "barbed wire" reconstruction of the new villages to give in the people's hearts and minds is the the 750,000 new villagers in West Malaysia Government's undemocratic decision to a new hope and an equal stake in the murder grass-root democracy in the form socio-economic development of the of abolishing elected municipal, town and country." local councils. I know that whether this motion will be After six years from its initial appointment, debated or not will depend on whether the the Athi Nahappan Royal Commission on Government will allocate parliamentary time the Workings of Local Government has at for it. I urge the Government to do so, for last released its report. It recommended the two reasons : continuation of the system of elected local government in Malaysia. We regret that the (1) Let the House have an opportunity to Government, despite its knowledge of the express its deep concern at this long­ Athi Nahappan Report recommendations standing problem of poverty and since December 1968, should decide flagrantly neglect of the 750,000 new villagers; to disregard the Report's recommendations and and set its mind on abolishing elected (2) Demonstrate the Government's municipal, town and local councils. sincerity that it is truly dedicated to the The Minister of Technology, Research and objective in the Second Malaysia Plan Local Government, has said that the Report to abolish poverty irrespective of race. will go into "cold storage" for an unknown "Barbed wires" in the hearts and minds period until the State Governments have of the people. restructured local authorities. This is another classic example of the Government's "passing Mr Speaker, Sir, barbed wires have gone the buck". up in Tanah Hitam New Village in Perak, and adjoining others, and the country is I do not propose to enter into a debate on returning to the old Emergency days. Even the subject of the Athi Nahappan Report more serious than the barbed wires with here. The Government promised this House which the Alliance Government has now at the last meeting that the Dewan Ra'ayat fenced off the Tanah Hitam New Village will have an opportunity to debate the Athi and other New Villages, are the "barbed Nahappan Report on a Government Motion, wires" which it has put up in the hearts and and I would like to ask the Minister for minds of the people of Malaysia which Local Government to assure this House that 4601 13 DISEMBER 1971 4602 we will have the opportunity to debate this 6. That the Government gives the green vital issue later at this present Parliamentary light to the sponsors of the Merdeka meeting. University project to go ahead, provided that the University is Malay­ Another barbed wire in the hearts and sian-orientated and centred. minds of the people is their anxiety about the strength of the constitutional guarantee in Mr Speaker, Sir, in conclusion, the most Clause 152 (1), and I quote: urgent task in Malaysia is not to put up barbed wires around new villages, but to "(a) no person shall be prohibited or pre­ dismantle the "barbed wires" in the hearts vented from using (otherwise than for and minds of the people. It is only in this official purposes), or from teaching or way that we can assure and secure lasting learning, any other language; and national unity, peace and harmony for (b) nothing in this Clause shall prejudice Malaysia. Thank you. the right of the Federal Government or of any State Government to preserve Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Saya and sustain the use and study of the hendak memperingatkan Ahli Yang Ber­ language of any other community in hormat, mengikut Peratoran Meshuarat ini, the Federation". kita hanya ada di-untokkan 3 hari sahaja bagi perbahathan dasar am atas usul ini. Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government can allay Kita telah mulai pada hari Juma'at­ these anxieties if it will give the following sekarang ia-lah hari yang kedua. Dan jika assurances : kita terpaksa membahath sampai hari yang 1. That the National-type (Chinese) akhir ia-lah petang besok dan sa-bahagian primary schools will never be con­ daripada masa petang besok itu kena-lah verted into national primary schools. kita untukkan masa bagi Yang Berhormat Menteri2 menjawab-nya. Jadi, saya minta­ 2. That the Government withdraws its lah kerjasama Ahli2 Yang Berhormat tolong­ decision to abolish school boards lah memendekkan uchapan supaya lebeh of management for National-type ramai daripada Ahli2 Yang Berhorm'lt ber­ (Chinese) primary schools, as the fate peluang berchakap dalam perbahathan ini. of Chinese primary schools is closely Jadi di-minta-lah Ahli2 Yang Berhormat identified with the fate of school mernberikan kerjasarna. management boards. It is no exaggera­ tion to say that if there had been no Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Tuan Yang boards of management, there would di-Pertua, saya mohon izin untok berchakap not have been a single Chinese school dalam Bahasa Malaysia dan Bahasa lnggeris today. juga. (Dengan izin) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, 3. That the Government recognises when the Honourable the Minister of Malaysian holders of Nanyang, National and Rural Development introduced Formosan and other Chinese univer­ the Development Estimates he stated that the sity degrees, so that they can fully time for lengthy speeches and high rhetoric participate in the economic, social and is long past and that the time for action has educational reconstruction of Malay­ come. I fully support the sentiments of the Honourable Minister of National and Rural sia. Development. 4. That the Government assures the inde­ pendent Chinese secondary schools Mr Speaker, Sir, I have stated in this that it will never cause any let or House and I reiterate again that the Govern­ hindrance to their development, ment should not be too ambitious in its expansion or existence. targets for the Second Malaysia Plan. One example of such a too high target is alloca­ 5. That the Government revives and re­ tion for development estimates and the cognises the Senior Middle Three actual performance. I have previously examination so that there is a source pointed out in this House that in the sixties for qualified teachers from the Chinese this country never spent more than six education stream and hundred million dollars per year on develop- 4603 13 DISEMBER 1971 4604 ment. In 1970, according to Government sistem pelajaran di-negara kita, bagaimana­ figure, the figure was $724.9 million. The kah kami boleh menyuroh ra'ayat negara figure for this year, Mr Speaker. Sir, kita menghantar anak2-nya ka-sekolah2 although the allocation is $1.3 million, the masing2 di-negara kita? Mr Speaker, Sir, it estimated expenditure is $890 million, and is also significant that the Ministry of Agri­ for next year we are also asked again to culture and Lands has also agricultural allocate a sum of $1.3 million. Mr Speaker, schools and agricultural vocational schools Sir, the Government knows and we know and the Ministry of Labour also has schools that the gestation period of any big project for industrial training. Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, takes tv10 or three years and therefore it the way the educational system is sprouting would be unrealistic for the Government to all over this country under various Ministries promise almost the moon to the people of will lead undoubtedly to a great deal of this country because when you promise the confusion and very soon, if we are not moon and you are unable to attain the target careful, the Government will have to set up then you are laying the seeds of future another Ministry to co-ordinate the trouble in this country. educational efforts of the Ministry of Edu­ cation, the Ministry of National and Rural I have mentioned before, Sir, that the Development, the Ministry of Agriculture targets for employment are far too high and and Lands and the Ministry of Labour. I it is significant that the Government has not call on the Alliance Government to rectify given us any figures of the achievement of this mistake and put all education under the the targets. For example, under the Second Minister of Education. Malaysia Plan it is estimated that there will be 600,000 jobs or roughly in the region of As with education, Mr Speaker, Sir, so it 120,000 jobs a year. The agricultural sector is with banks. In this country we have Bank is expected to provide 125,000 jobs and the Bumiputra for which the Government has manufacturing sector is expected to provide spent millions of dollars, and the allocation 108,000 jobs during the five-year period. It of funds comes from the Ministry of is significant that although almost one year Finance. We also have Bank Pertanian has gone by no figures of what has been which is under the Second Five-Year Plan is achieved have been forthcoming from the being allocated $60 million, for which the Government Benches. allocation for next year is $10 million, Mr Speaker, Sir. And who do we have as the Mr Speaker, Sir, the other thing that I Head of that Bank? A part-time agri­ would want to touch on is the question of cultural economist! Now I have nothing education in this country. We know, Mr against that officer concerned, but the fact Speaker, Sir, that there is a Ministry of that the Government for such a big project Education who is in charge of education. But of $60 million has asked a chap to be a part­ we know also, Mr Speaker, Sir, that time head is the height of absurdity. Now, MARA has the M.I.T. which is expanding Mr Speaker, Sir, Bank Pertanian is supposed and quite rightly so; it has also embarked to take over the functions of Bank into junior colleges and it has also, Mr Kerjasama. Then you also have the Develop­ Speaker, Sir, embarked into sending students ment Bank for which next year the allocation abroad for secondary education. It will be is $10 million, and then you have, Mr very interesting if the Minister of National Speaker. Sir, the Apex Bank and MARA and Rural Development will give this House itself, which is a credit-lending body, and the number of students who have been sent you have the M.I.D.F.L. Mr Speaker, Sir, abroad for secondary education. Mr such a plethora of banking institutions and Speaker, Sir, it is also very distressing to see other credit-lending institutions leads to a Ministers and various Rulers and Rajahs great deal of confusion and perhaps of who send their children abroad for their chicanery on the part of people who want to education. Now if the Ministers and our diddle the Government. What is there to Rulers do not have faith in the educational prevent a person from going to Bank Bumi­ system in this country, how are they going to putra getting some money, then going to convince the ra'ayat of this country that they Bank Pertanian getting another sum of must follow the new educational system. money-perhaps for the same piece of Jika Menteri2 dan Raja2 tidak perchaya land-and then going to Bank Kerjasama? 4605 13 DISEMBER 1971 4606 Now again, Mr Speaker, Sir, it is well-known roads are wretched and I hope the Honour­ that in modern management techniques if able Minister will one day spare some time you gather all these bodies under one roof, and walk with me in that housing estate. The then you have greater efficiency and certainly roads there are wretched, the rivers are filled you will provide better facilities and aid to with filth and they stink and because of the the thousands who look on these institu­ development there, there is a diversion of the tions to solve their financial problems. Hence stream; and you have in one place a very Mr Speaker, Sir, I call on the Alliance big drain whereas there is no water fiowing Government again, as in education, to bring and as a result the water from the houses all these banking institutions under one Head flow into the drain and the water gets so as to see that poverty-stricken people of stagnant there. There are mosquitoes galore this country may have some redress. down there. One householder that I visited last Saturday told me, "Doktor, apa macham­ Mr Speaker, Sir, in addition to the Banks lah Kerajaan ingat kami tidak tinggal di-sini. that I have mentioned, I forgot to mention Doktor jika kami sakit oleh sebab beberapa that the Alliance Government also has a very kekotoran di-sini, ada-kah Kerajaan sedar big share in the Malayan Banking Limited. penyakit kami boleh di-tampiran kapada One of the objects of the Development Bank, pendudok2 di-bandar Kuala Lumpur?" Mr Speaker, Sir, we are told, is that it is supposed to provide advisory service rather Mr Speaker, Sir, this is very unhealthy than give loans. Then we are told also, Mr state of affairs and the Honourable Minister Speaker, Sir, that there is an idea of knows of the conditions that exist in these providing a merchant banking bank. Now we housing estates that circle around Kuala all know that merchant banking is very new Lumpur. Once the developer builds the to this country-it is very highly sophisti­ houses he forgets about them. cated-and I do not see how a merchant bank in this country for the bumiputras can Now, I want to make one proposal to the be of any use to the bumiputras and I do not Honourable Minister of Information and see how the Government from doing so very Broadcasting-perhaps, he does not know little for the bumiputras of this country in that-that the Federal Government can bring the past now has gone into such sophisticated all these housing estates under one authority methods of banking services to the people of or separate authorities or making them an this country. adjunct of the District Office. The Govern­ ment can then provide facilities, like main­ Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, we all know that up tenance of roads, cleaning of drains, getting and down the country, particularly around rid of mosquitoes, seeing that the lights are Kuala Lumpur, housing estates have sprung there, and the Government can collect rates. up. Just now the Honourable Member for But what is more important from the Govern­ Bandar Melaka has stressed-and I agree ment's point of view is that the Government with him entirely-quite rightly, the entire can provide employment, because if you lack of amenities provided for the new provide such facilities you must have workers villages by the Government. Here I want to to clean the drains and to maintain the roads. highlight, Mr Speaker, Sir, again the lack of Now this is one thing that I wish to commend amenities that are required for people in the to the Honourable Minister and let us hope various housing estates, particularly in Kuala that he would not form another high powered Lumpur. Mr Speaker, Sir, in my own con­ committee. There is no need. The need for stituency of Batu we have the Greenwood such facilities is there. All that you need to Park and I am glad the Minister of Informa­ do is to get the Attorney General's Depart­ tion and Special Functions is here because I ment to draft the necessary legislation and have written many a time to the Honourable once you have the necessary legislation then Minister and to his Department. There has you can tell all these developers, "Look here, been a lot of correspondence but nothing has the roads that you have built are very poor been done. I have written to the Honourable and you have diddled the buyers. You make Minister or his Department on the lack of it up to the specifications we tell you and facilities for one of the earliest housing then we will take over these roads". Then the projects in this country, namely, at the 4th Government can provide the maintenance of Mile Ipoh Road-the Bamboo Garden. Now drains and the cleaning of the rivers that flow Mr Speaker, Sir, in the Bamboo Garden the through some of these housing estates, the 4607 13 DISEMBER 1971 4608 provision of lights and the provision of all for next year. For river improvement water in many places. Mr Speaker, the there is only $2 million, of which the alloca­ Government just dumped after May 13 resi­ tion for next year is $300,000. In Kelantan, dents from Kuala Lumpur into an area to mengorek Sungai Semerak there is a known as Jinjang Tambahan. There are no provision of $106,000 of which the allocation roads there and there is no electricity. In one for next year is $42,000 plus. For new river area, Mr Speaker, Sir, the high tension wires cleaning, $5,426, and seeing that you come were erected over the homes and in one from Kelantan Mr (Deputy) Speaker, Sir, it instance, I am told, the wires broke and fell is very enlightening there is no provision for down. God alone knows that if the children next year. For Malacca, flood relief for had touched the high tension wires the sins Malacca town is $100,000 for the 5-year of the omission and the death of these period, nil for next year. Negeri Sembilan, children would be on the hands of the dredging of rivers-$230,000 for the 5-year Government. Now these are the things, Mr period, a token vote of $10 for next year. Speaker, Sir, why I say that the poverty Pahang Mengorek Sungai2 $2.5 million, for stricken people of this country want to know next year an allocation of $500,000. New whether the Government of this country has river cleaning roughly $498,000 of which a conscience or not because they are in dire $100,000 is allocated for next year. For need, and these development estimates Perlis it is about $96,000 for the 5-year amounting to over $1,300 million do not period, $11,000 for next year. In Selangor, make provision for the services that I have there is an allocation of $5.13 million for the talked of. It is not just the 750,000 new five-year period, of which the allocation for villagers who are in dire need of social next-year is $1.l million. services. These people who perhaps are a tittle better off than the new villagers are also Mr Speaker, Sir, it is interesting as I read in dire need of facilities and I do hope that the through these estimates that very little alloca­ Honourable Minister of Information and tion is being made for Kelantan apart from Broadcasting will take immediate action to what I have quoted, and we know the East relieve, menghapus kemiskinan dan meninggi­ Coast States of Pahang, Trengganu and kan taraf hidupan ra'ayat di-tempatan yang Kelantan are always the worst affected States. baharu. Perhaps, Mr Speaker, Sir, the Alliance Government wanted the ra'ayat of Kelantan Speaker, Sir, I come now to the question to know that Tuan Allah has visited all these of floods. Year in and year out, we are told, floods on them for the sins they have commit­ "Sabar, sabar". None other than the Prime ted in voting the Parti Islam into power in Minister yesterday said, "Oh, we know. We that State. I hope it is not so. are going to build dams; we are taking all these measures to prevent floods". Now, this But Mr Speaker, Sir, one can see from the is small comfort to the people in the affected paltry sums that are being allocated for Ran­ areas. The Honourable Minister of Informa­ changan2 untok menchegah banjir2 whether tion comes from an area which is the worst the Government is really sincere or not in affected State in this country, namely Pahang, wanting to prevent floods. We do not expect and in the Straits Times today before you them to menghapuskan banjir2 di-negara ini. open the pages there is Temerloh surrounded That, I believe is impossible. But let them by water. Mr Speaker, Sir, it is no use the show some sincerity, not this token vote of Government telling us they are going to take $10, no allocation for next year and expect action. Berapa lama lagi ra'ayat di-negara the floods to take a different course and flow kita akan menunggu supaya Kerajaan meng­ into the sea. ambil tindakan untok mengurangkan, bukan menghapuskan, banjir di-tanah ayer kita. Now one of the things that the Govern­ ment should do is to find out why there are Mr Speaker, Sir, as I look very carefully floods because, as the Straits Times editorial into these development estimates, I will just said this morning, we are getting more and very quickly enlighten this House as to what more floods for less and less rain. I mean. actually the Government is doing to men­ this country has been in this area of South.­ chegah banjir. In J ohore, for new river East Asia from the dawn of time and there cleaning the allocation for the next 5 years have always been rains during the North East is $43,000 of which there is no provision at Monsoon but why is it that as years go by 4609 13 DISEMBER 1971 4610 makin lama makin bertambah banjir di-tanah one of the oldest and certainly the biggest new ayer kita. Has the Government thought of villages in this country, namely Jinjang. finding out why is it so? It is only 2, 3 days Jinjang has been mal-administered by the ago that a hydrologist arrived in this country. M.C.A. in that area. We do know that in And the Prime Minister says, "Oh we are times past what they have done and I have taking action". When the floods have started highlighted in this House how some of the the hydrologist arrived-not long before the officials collected rates from the people, but floods have started. instead of putting it in the bank they put a post-dated cheque there and used the money Mr Speaker, Sir, one of the reasons why to roll round. When the time comes for the there are floods not only in the rural areas post-dated cheque to be cashed, they draw but also in urban areas is because of develop­ the cheque back, put another post-dated ment. It is no accident that Pahang is the worst affected State, because Pahang has the cheque and so it goes round. This, Sir, has most land development schemes of F.L.D.A. been highlighted by me both in this House When you denude the land of its forests, and in the State Council and by the Auditor­ then the water instead of slowly flowing into General. But, unfortunately, the big sharks the river rushes to the river. As the Prime that exist there got away scotfree. This is the Minister has quite rightly pointed out, the sort of justice we have in this country. rivers are not capable of carrying all these Now, the people in this country, apart waters to the sea. As a result they overflow from the question of titles, Sir, want the banks. Now, what should be done is not just one hydrologist to come to this country, amenities. They are not asking, Mr Speaker, but perhaps a team of them, a dozen or so Sir, for a grandiose building like this or for to come and make a thorough study of why television sets. All that they want, Mr there should be such serious floods for less Speaker, Sir, are proper drains, proper roads, and less rains and to take action, not the water, electricity, and they do not get them. paltry sums that I see are being allocated for In many instances, they do not get them and this year. Mr Speaker, Sir, as an example of this is the sort of Utopia that the Government this paltry sum, I see down here in the is promising the down-trodden people in this estimates an item, "Mengumpulkan Butir2 country, when they cannot be provided with Kaji Ayer"; there is a sum of $3 million for the basic amenities of life. Yet we have the 5-year period and for next year there is Ministers globe-trotting galore! Ministers can a sum of $1 million. I say all these are but go to this country, that country, open this drops in the bucket. What the Government Institution, that Institution, till it became should do is to allocate vast sums of money, such a scandalous state of affair that none much more than what they are doing now, other than the Prime Minister has said, because today at 1.30 p.m. I heard that 25,000 "Chukup, jangan pergi ka-luar negeri," people have been evacuated. Think of the barangkali untok makan angin. (Ketawa) vast sums of money that you need to evacuate people and then bring them back, and think Mr Speaker, Sir, now if only part of that of the loss of lives being involved, loss of money were spent on the people, the poverty­ livestock and the homes that have been striken people in my constituency, I can washed away. The damage will run into tens assure the Government that they will go if not hundreds of millions, Mr Speaker, Sir, down on bended knees and thank the gods and therefore, it would be prudent on the that the Alliance Government had at last part of the Government to spend millions taken notice of them. now, take effective action now and not say "Sabar-lah, kami sedang mengkaji masaalah2 Mr Speaker, Sir, I would, in conclusion, ini dan di-masa akan datang kami berharap want to bring to the House one instance of kami akan mengurangkan banjir di-tanah a kampong next to the Sungei Bulah Lepro­ ayer kita". sarium. It is settled by Malays and they have asked for water, for light and for roads. Sir, Mr Speaker, Sir, lastly, like the Honour­ the Government says "You can connect water able Member for Bandar Melaka, I too to your homes" but it seems it costs $180. wish to add my word of protest against the Now they have a long form to fill and they total neglect of the new villages in this duly filled up the forms, but unfortunately country, because in my constituency, there is the District Officer says, "Tidak di-luluskan". 4611 13 DISEMBER 1971 4612 Now, when I asked the District Officer, he tayar Dunlop tidak bagitu baik jika di­ told me, "Doktor, apa macham saya boleh bandingkan dengan mutu tayar2 yang luluskan. Pendapatan mereka chuma $60, di-impot. Mengapa Sharikat Dunlop sahaja bagaimana-kah mereka boleh membayar yang monopoli membuat tayar? Mengapa wang di-pin jam kapada mereka ?" Now, Mr tidak Sharikat2 lain di-beri peluang untok Speaker, Sir, I can see the District Officer's membuat tayar, umpama-nya PERNAS. point of view but I can tell you what the Sa-lain dari memberi pekerjaan kapada people there told me, "Doktor, Kerajaan ra'ayat Malaysia ia juga menjaga mutu dan Perikatan sentiasa menyatakan Kerajaan harga tayar. hendak menolong orang yang miskin. Kami yang miskin, kami hendak bayar $5 sahaja­ Akhir-nya, saya suka menyeru kapada kami tidak dapat kemudahan bekalan ayer. Menteri Pelajaran, ia-itu apabila hendak Kerajaan tidak di-beri peluang kapada kami mendirikan Sekolah2 Menengah di-luar untok mengadakan bekalan ayer". Now, this bandar, keutamaan pembekalan letrik patut is the sort of thing, Mr Speaker, Sir, that I di-ambil berat. Saya dapati banyak Sekolah2 wish to highlight to those sitting opposite this Menengah di-Luar Bandar pada masa ini side of the House, that if they have a social tidak mempunyai: bekalan letrik Macham conscience, then they must subsidise; they mana murid2 sekolah hendak belajar sains must subsidise if this Government, with this dan teknoloji, jikalau sekolah mereka tidak big thick book, is to provide a better standard ada bekalan letrik dan makmal sains yang of living for the people of this country, then lengkap. if it needs be, then it must subsidise facilities Jadi, saya harap Menteri yang berkenaan to the poor and down-trodden people of this patut ambil perhatian dalam hal ini. Sekian, country. Thank you. Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Terima kaseh.

Tuan Tai Kuan Yang (Kulim Bandar Tuan Edmund Langgu anak Saga Bahru): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun (Saratok): (Dengan izin) Speaking on the menyokong usul yang di-bawa oleh Yang Motion before us made by the Honourable Berhormat Menteri Pembangunan Negara Minister of National and Rural Develop­ dan Luar Bandar. Saya suka juga untok ment to expend certain sums from the mengemukakan beberapa shor kapada Men­ Development Fund, I wish to take the teri yang berkenaan. opportunity to comment on some aspects arising, especially regarding development in Semenjak tahun 1953 hingga-lah sekarang, implementation of development efforts in bantuan Kerajaan kapada pekebun2 kechil Sarawak. And planning for development, tanam sa-mula hanya 2/3 sahaja. Ini ber­ Mr Speaker, Sir, not only is it important to ma'ana jika sa-orang pekebun kechil itu stress on suitability of areas, or what crops mempunyal 20 ekar kebun, bantuan hanya to plant in development on the agricultural di-beri untok 13 ekar sahaja (2/3 daripada front, but there is the need to find out the 20 ekar) dan yang baki 7 ekar lagi (atau 1/3 availability of manpower to carry out lagi) tidak di-beri bantuan. Dalam hal ini and implement our development efforts. dan juga dalam Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Realising the need to have a manpower Kedua, saya menyeru kapada Menteri yang survey, we from the Sarawak National Party berkenaan menimbangkan untok memberi have frequently brought up this subject in bantuan penoh kapada pekebun2 kechil both the State Council Negri and this very dalam Malaysia. House. In Sarawak, with its own peculiar educational system, the need for a man­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana, kita power survey and, at the same time, for ma 'alom harga getah pada masa ini sangat survey amongst the school dropouts and merosot. Oleh itu, jika bantuan 1 / 3 lagi itu school-leavers, the majority will swell the di-beri, ini akan menambah basil pada 2 rank of the unemployed in the State, is pekebun kechil. becoming quite a problem. I call upon the Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu lagi, saya Government not to delay any further on the hendak bertanya kapada Menteri yang ber­ ground of difficulties arising out of the State/ kenaan ia-lah tentang Fakteri Dunlop. Federal relationship to carry out both the Mengapa hanya satu fakteri tayar sahaja manpower survey in Sarawak and the survey yang ada di-negara kita. Saya dapati mutu of unemployed school dropouts, especially ------

4613 13 DISEMBER 1971 4614 those young people who have failed in the promises which still remain only promises State Primary VI Common Entrance Exami­ and yet to be seen to be fulfilled. These nation these past few years. promises must be translated into· action before the people get fed up and will dis­ Mr Speaker, Sir, Sarawak is essentially an believe us. agricultural State and one of the lesser­ developed States in Malaysia. Apart from Judging from the present state of affairs in the problems of development, there is Sarawak, and perhaps anticipating the trend illiteracy rampant among the population. of things to come, I do not wish to think The people are saddled with the current what will be become of us in the State. Yet deteriorating security situation which often this House was very vociferous in debating impedes their daily movements and thereby the relationship with Communist China, prevents them from looking for their daily while we in Sarawak are being faced with needs. It is often stated that the chain is as the perils of Communism. Just a few days strong as its weakest link. Therefore, if we ago, Mr Speaker, Sir, these communists were allow the situation in Sarawak to be left to so daring enough to have waylaid policemen deteriorate further and if we do not make returning from duty just about three hundred another serious effort in the development yards from the Sibu Airport where there is front, the situation will become irremediable stationed the famous 1st Malaysian Rangers. Imagine the daring of these people, that a weak link Sarawak will affect the encouraged by our wooing at the very whole of the chain of States of Malaysia. country they had been looking forward for support and source of inspiration. During At this point, Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to the Confrontation, there were a number of point out the great need to survey the needs restrictions in the sense of alarms, but now of the rural farmers in order to find solutions the Emergency had been lifted we find more whereby their sufferings can be alleviated curfew areas in Sarawak. Is this the type and to advise them on what crops to plant of development we have to stomach and where in order to help us to restructure especially when we have a State Coalition our rural society for the good of the nation. Government which constantly claims to be Subsidies in the form of more fertilisers, dynamic? Let us have more action rather better insecticides and other amenities and than verbal promises. It is regrettable that advices should be made more readily, if every time we from the Sarawak National Party put up some constructive suggestions, possible, to all the poor farming population. they would at the heat of the moment may Apart from this assistance, I wish to point have been tempered with the slight cynicism out that it is regrettable that in the pepper to be effective. It is pointed out that during planting sector not much assistance is given the SNAP Government in Sarawak nothing to research into the root diseases of the much in the development front had been pepper and yet pepper is one of the State's done. This is a complete redherring for not main overseas exchange-earning resources. having done anything on their part. As the Secretary-General of SNAP, I must clarify Mr Speaker, Sir, many promises had been that misleading allegation. SNAP had never made to the people of Sarawak for develop­ formed any State Government in Sarawak. ment projects and many assurances had been Perhaps, the reference made was to the given by the Government that these people­ period when Dato' Ningkan was the Chief simple and on the whole loyal and indus­ Minister of Sarawak. It must never be trious citizens of Malaysia-will be given a forgotten that Dato' Ningkan was the Chief fair share in the overall development efforts Minister of an Alliance State Government of this nation. So far these many promises and those responsible for the allegation were have seldom been translated into actual also at the same time being the high-ranking action. There was a promise to make leaders of the Alliance, responsible for Sarawak a rice bowl of Malaysia. What has making it difficult for Dato' Ningkan to become of that? There is the promise that a achieve much with a lot of political lot of the poor rural people will be given bickering, so much so that my Party had to help to alleviate their sufferings. Yet still be kicked out of the Alliance set-up in they continue to suffer. There may be more Sarawak. 4615 13 DISEMBER 1971 4616

Mr Speaker, Sir, in our effort to restruc­ ker~~a .s~ya mendengar uchapan'2 di-dalam ture our society, in implementing our new Ma1hs m1 pada hari Juma'at yang baharu economic policy in order to narrow the gap lepas, mengatakan Parti DAP telah masok between the haves and the have-nots, we champor politik mengena1 sengkita Pakistan must not forget our youth. They are our dan India. very hopes and a source of inspiration for the future. They are our investments in a Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang sa­ better society for Malaysia in the years to ~acham _ini di-dalam hemat saya ada-lah come. In Sarawak, Honourable Members tidak ba1k, kerana boleh jadi membawa the problems must be tackled as soon a~ neg~ra kita yang di-kasehi ini kapada lembah possible. It is doubly serious in our State kehmaan kerana perbuatan daripada Parti knowing what youths are, being myself ~ DAP itu. yo_uth once. The ve~y security of the country is Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-sini saya tegaskan bemg put to te.st, if no p~oper planning for bahawa sa-nya saya menyokong dengan sa­ d_eve~opm~nt with emphasis on youth parti­ c1pat1on is . not done and done quickly penoh2-nya apa yang di-katakan oleh Ahli enough. With the State that is basically Y ai:ig Berhormat dari Kuala Selangor pada han Juma'at yang baharu lepas juga dan ~gricultural in i:ature, development must be implemented with emphasis more on agri­ pada pendapat saya ada-lah bersamaan cultural activities. dengan pendapat beliau. For these, I wish to put a suggestion to T1:1an Yan& di-Pertua, saya fikir pehak the Govern!11ent. to introduce more agri­ Partl DAP 1tu mereka ada-lah menjadi cultural sub1ects m the school curriculum in wa~~anegara negeri Malaysia ini. Dari itu, ord_er to prepare our young people for wa]!b mereka ta'at setia yang tidak berbelah agricultural participation in the future. bagi kapada Kerajaan negara Malaysia ini There is no point in making calls for our dan jangan-lah hendak-nya membuat apa2 young people to go back to the land when perkara yang boleh memburokkan nama neg~ra kita ini sa-ki!a-nya mereka tidak puas they are. ~ot properly prepared for it physi­ cally, spmtually and mentally. The essence hah b~leh kembahkan sahaja sijil warga­ in the agricultural development, especially in ~~gara 1tu kapada Kerajaan Negeri Malaysia Sarawak, should be toned with an emphasis 1m dan mereka boleh-lah balek ka-tanah ayer on agricultural education and a need to merek~ .sendiri di-!11ana mereka yang berada. uplift the dignity of agricultural activities in Had m1-lah saha1a, saya uchapkan terima the country. kaseh. Tuan Hsji Awang Wal bin Awang Abu Dr Chen Man Hin (Seremban Timor): (Santubong): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya (Dengan izin) Mr Speaker, Sir, since the last bangun ia-lah memberi sokongan yang sa­ meeting of Parliament in August, momentous penoh2-nya kapada Usul yang di-kemukakan events have occurred and are still occurring. oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Pembangunan T~ere has been a sudden change of relation­ Negara dan Luar Bandar. Kerana jasa ships for the better between China and the Menteri yang berkenaan yang saya sangat2 United States of America. President Nixon gemari sebab Kementerian telah menchadang­ is scheduled to meet Chairman Mao of China kan wang untok pembangunan negara next February. The world hopes that the sa-banyak $1,334,277,594 untok Ranchangan meeting would add to future prospects of Malaysia Yang Kedua dan saya sangat2 peace and progress. There has also been a gembira dengan tidak terhingga, maka di-sini major shift in the United States' economic saya tidak ragu2 lagi sa-kali memberi policy by its insistence that major world currencies like the Mark and Yen be revalued so~ongan dengan sa-penoh2-nya kapada behau dan saya berharap-lah kapada beliau upwards, at the same time as scrapping the dengan harapan yang besar agar memberi 10% surcharge on imports to the United yang berkenaan dapat Menteri memberi per­ States. Round after round of talks have been tolongan kapada ra'ayat bumiputera di­ held. While the fear of trading blocs and seluroh negara Malaysia ini. trade walls are receding, developing countries like Malaysia cannot but hope that a . ~uan Yang di-Pertua, di-samping ini saya satisfactory solution be evolved, for a trade mgm menyentoh kapada pehak Parti DAP wall can only bring about world recession 4617 13 DISEMBER 1971 4618 and slump and consequently an unpleasant Malaysia. These are the exercises of political effect on the economic development of and economic democracy in this country. Malaysia. Given equal political and economic rights, a person knows he has a stake in the country. The wars of liberation continue to be There is a sense of belonging of being wanted. fought in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia and He will prove to be a tireless worker and with a greater intensity as the days go by. work his guts out for his country. He will be In the west, India and Pakistan have a better soldier and defender of the country's unhappily gone to war again for the third rights. Ultimately, it is the dedicated and time. The Prime Minister, Tun Haji Abdul motivated citizen who will make Malaysia Razak, has appealed to both nations to cease succeed. hostilities and so has U Thant, the UN Secretary-General. Friends of both countries, One of the reasons for the backwardness India and Pakistan, of course, hope that the and neglect of new villages in the past has fighting will end soon and that a serious been the absence of Local Council elections attempt will be made to find a political for the past six years. Nearly all Local solution at the Conference Table. Council members are at present nominated by the Government. As such, complaints and Communist guerrillas are also active in requests from the new villagers have not been both East and West Malaysia. The Govern­ heard or, if heard, have not been attended ment, in its White Paper, has indicated that to. The people's voice must be heard through the guerrillas are busily re-activating them­ elected Councillors. It is, therefore, shocking selves, training and setting up a supply to hear the Minister of Technology, Research organisation. and Local Government say that the Local Council elections could not be considered for These are the happenings both on the some time yet, even though the Athi international scene and internally. The storm Nahappan Royal Commission favoured signals are there, and it is important that Local Councils elections. Since so much Malaysia steer clear of the impending storm damage is done by six years' lace of in order to free ourselves from the uselessness democracy at Local Authority level, at grass­ of war and strife and to concentrate on the root level, one would have thought that, in more meaningful task of economic develop­ order to improve living conditions for the ment and a better life for all Malaysians. new villagers and to relieve their frustrations, By following a rational course, Malaysia can the sensible thing to do would be to prepare avoid being engulfed by a war of liberation for Local Council elections as early and can instead be a haven of peace and as possible. I therefore urge the Government progress in the troubled region. to give this matter urgent and serious con­ sideration and make immediate preparations Malaysia has a policy of non-alignment. for early Local Council elections as a This is proper. At a recent meeting of contribution to political stability and national ASEAN Foreign Ministers, all the partici­ development. pating countries-Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippines­ I also urge the Government to give wider signed a Declaration of Neutrality for South­ cultural democracy to the people especially East Asia. This is most welcome. But there with regard to educational development. On is as yet no immediate reaction from the October 14th, 1971, a letter was sent to the super powers-China, the United States and Minister of Education from the Federation Russia. A policy of non-alignment could win of Kwang Tung Associations of Malaysia more friends for Malaysia. A neutral South­ requesting that the Government re-introduce East Asia, guaranteed by super powers, may the Senior Middle III examination on the mean peace in the region. Regional co­ grounds that they will guarantee a reservoir operation can mean prosperity for the area. of Chinese language teachers to teach in These are important factors to keep the storm Chinese media primary schools and to main­ clouds away from Malaysia. But there are tain and raise the standard of the Chinese other factors which play an equal, if not, language. This is a legitimate request and it more important role to achieve security, is in accordance with the spirit of the Con­ political stability and economic progress of stitution. 4619 13 DISEMBER 1971 4620 The Minister of National and Rural rubber land which can only give him a pitiful Development in presenting the Development income. He should be given alternative crops Estimates said that there must be an accelera­ with better value and with no synthetic rubber tion of development because, I quote, "it is to compete with. More research into the types only in this way the nation can provide of crops suitable for Malaysian soil should opportunities and roles for everyone". This be effectively conducted. This type of research is sensible and most welcome, because if the must be given topmost priority. Quite often national cake is enlarged there would be more the Minister of Finance boasts that Malaysia to go round and the chances are better for is able to sell every pound of rubber produced all to have a fair share of the cake, in here, but he forgot to mention at the same particular for the have-nots of all races, time-sell at what price? If the price is low, whether Chinese, Malays, Indians and others. as it is now, the settler or smallholder would Development programmes should be geared not be happy with his lot. to look after the interests of all if economic Mr Speaker, Sir, if we are internationally democracy is to be practised. A peasant in known as the world's largest producer of the field should be given land; the resident rubber, we should look harder also to invent of the new village should be given a security more uses for rubber. The Rubber Research of land tenure and other social amenities. Institute is doing well but more scientists and The poor in urban areas should be given more money must be expended to discover job opportunities as the unemployment pro­ new ways to incorporate rubber into blem is even more acute than in the consumer goods. The key for the future of rural areas. rubber is research. There should be more The amount of $1,334 million to be spent factories in the country to manufacture in 1972 is impressive. The plans to open up rubber products. At the moment there is more lands and machinery to start industries only one major factory for rubber tyres­ Dunlop Industries-when there could be at are also impressive. But the big problem, least a few more. Goodyear Tyre has scouted however, is the effective implementation of around Senawang Industrial Estate, and it is these plans. Three factors are vital for hoped that the Government will encourage successful implementation: Goodyear to begin operations as early as (1) A proper utilisation of land, of the possible. Michelin Tyres are popular in this million acres that are to be opened in country and it is surprising that the manu­ the next 5 years. facturers have not been invited to set up a (2) Research and technology to pave the factory in this country and I urge the Minister way for agricultural and industrial of Commerce and Industry to look into this development. matter. (3) Enough skilled man-power. There is at present much unemployment, or at least over 12,000 are unemployed, but Thousands of acres will be opened next the Finance Minister claims that Malaysia's year and many more in the years to come. credit rating is high and capital is readily The big question is whether the crops planted tapped overseas. It is a strange but sad fact will be of value in the commodity markets that although capital is plentiful in Malaysia, of the future. Is it wise to plant more rubber? unemployment is also plentiful. The fault Only a few days ago rubber plunged down to lies in the lack of know-how, both managerial and technological. A crash programme should 88.25 cents a kilo or 401\.; cents a pound­ the lowest since the price control imposed therefore be initiated to fill this gap by after World War II was removed. This is having more vocational and technical the price on the Malaysian Rubber Exchange. institutes and by having more in-service On the world markets there may be discounts training institutes at home and abroad. With on this price, which means a lower price. trained professional and technicians To the average smallholder, who produces available capital can be utilised, more less than first grade rubber, he may be paid factories built and more employment oppor­ only 30-odd cents a pound. With these tunities created. factors in mind, there must be some basic Finally, Mr Speaker, with clock-like re-thinking on whether it is fair to saddle the rhythm Malaysia has a flood problem. settler in an FLDA scheme with purely Joh ore and the East Coast States of Pahang 4621 13 DISEMBER 1971 4622 and Kelantan are particularly affected. With skilled manpower. You can build dams the floods come destruction and sometimes power stations, irrigation channels and port~ death. Houses are washed away, crops are t

4641 13 DISEMBER 1971 4642 hardly any market for sago, and timber is Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Minister in a depressed state. Meanwhile, capital is has made the appeal to say, "Let us develop very, very short, especially for the rural folks this country and make proposals which can so they look around and say, "Now, what be implemented immediately". I am sure the shall we do? What shall we plant?" But the Honourable Minister made this statement Government unfortunately, Sir, has not been with all sincerity. I would, however, like here able to provide this guidance. to ask the Minister to please give more careful consideration to proposals made by Take an instance, Sir, the case of a person Opposition Members on this side of the floor up in the Limbang or in the Subis area. Now as I can assure the Honourable Minister that assuming that the Bank Bumiputra has Opposition Members here are generally in­ established a branch there in Miri-and I do terested in the welfare of the country and not know when they will establish one-say also in the rural development of the nation this particular person has 20 acres of land, and, therefore, all criticisms, we submit, Sir. i.e. he applies for a piece of land there and must be accepted in the spirit in which they is able to get this land which has a title are given. I agree with the Minister that let because under the conditions of the new us get on with the job, let us not dilly legislation which has been passed by the dally. Council Negri on the 25th or 26th November only titled lands are chargeable to the banks. (But, some are not so lucky, Sir.) Well, what Before I leave this particular subject, Sir, shall he do? Assuming he can get a $5,000 may I seek the assurance of the Honourable loan from the bank, whom does he go to Minister of National and Rural Develop­ for advice on what crops to plant? Obviously ment, whether development schemes in the he cannot plant rubber because it takes too Second Malaysia Plan for all States will be long and he does not have very much faith implemented and not held up because of in rubber. He cannot plant oil palm because delays in the approval of funds to the States. oil palm normally is an estate product. So This has happened before where develop­ what does he do? He goes to the Agriculture ment projects have been approved and the Department, possibly, and I do not think P.W.D. and the other departments are to they could advise him on the best crop and proceed ahead with the job, but suddenly on what to plant. But the Agriculture Depart­ things were held up because the funds were ment is not in a position to advise him on not available. There was delay in the Federal where to sell this crops and whom to sell it Capital for the lack of funds. Can we have to. But unless he is able to plant the crop and the assurance, Sir, from the Honourable sell the crop, Mr Speaker, Sir, he will not be Minister that this will not happen? Because able to repay his debts. nothing is more frustrating I know to the State Governments and State public bodies Now, this is a very peculiar situation which and bodies which carry out implementation will happen in Sarawak and I am sure in of the plan to find suddenly that they are other rural areas of Malaysia. West Malaysia short of funds and they do not have the is more fortunate in this respect in that you funds to implement projects which have have better marketing facilities here, but in already been approved. Sarawak with the difficulty of transportation, the distances and other factors and the Another matter, Sir, which I would like to absence of infrastructures, well, it is bring to the attention of this House is the practically impossible, Sir, a non-starter for question of industrial development for the poor farmer to proceed ahead. I therefore, Sarawak. We have heard time and time again, Sir, would like here to appeal to the Govern­ repeatedly being said, that we should have in­ ment not only to make promises, to make dustrial development in this country. But high-sounding phrases as to the restructuring what has happened, Sir? I know of one of society, but please get down to the ground, particular case in point in Sarawak where Sir, and on the spot and tell the people. there was an application made by a parti­ rural folks and farmers, what they should cular company for a particular processing plant and how they should plant it, so that factory. They sent in their application in they could get the best benefit out of it, so April, 1970 through the State Government for that they can better themselves and better the Federal Government to process. This their lot of living. went in 1970 and I gather subsequently after 4643 13 DISEMBER 1971 4644 some delay the State Government had re­ invest, shall we say, in oil palm estate in commended to the Federal Government for West Malaysia than in Sarawak for the approval under the pioneer status, but up to simple reason that in West Malaysia you today or up to two weeks ago, at least, when have everything here, you have the banking the Council Negri met, no reply has yet been facilities, you have the infrastructure, you received from the Federal Government and have cheaper communications, you have the Ministry of Commerce and Industry everything here whereas in Sarawak every­ regarding this particular application. I had thing seems to be more difficult and every­ occasion, Sir, to bring this subject up in the thing is doubly more difficult because of the Council Negri on the 26th November and difficulties of transportation and so on and asked the Deputy Chief Minister there as to so forth. Therefore, I would like again here why there was this delay or this non-reply to make a plea to the Federal Government to an application made about lt years ago; for special consideration for the development either "yes" or "no" by the Federal Govern­ of Sarawak, in view of the fact that repeated ment, and the Deputy Chief Minister then pleas made by the Government to the private replied, "Well, you know, we have done our sector to invest in development projects such duty as a State Government; we have for­ as oil palm and other projects have not met warded the application to the Federal with the enthusiasm and response that was Government with our recommendation." I expected. It is no use, Sir, waiting longer and said, "What happened? Why was there no say, "Well, this will come after the people reply?" "Well", he said, "it is not our fault. over here get interested in them ultimately". We have forwarded it there, and that is their Well, it is now quite some time since business. If there is no reply, it is the Federal we entered Malaysia in 1963-well, it is Government's fault." about 8 years now. Well, I think it is time the Government should look positively and Now, that is the impossible position, Sir, factually at the problems of Sarawak and of where there was an application-in this say, "Now, look, nobody is interested in case it was a galvanising factory-the appli­ going there, we shall have to do something cation was made and for 1!- years there was about it." I would here make an appeal and absolute silence on the application, not even ask the Federal Government whether the an acknowledgement letter. Now, this is an Government would be prepared instead of impossible position as I said and I here ask giving a 5-year poineer status for investors the Government, "Are they sincere? Is the or developers to go to Sarawak, to extend Federal Government sincere in the develop­ this particular incentive even to 10 years ment of Sarawak?" I throw a challenge pioneer status or 12 years to certain in­ across the floor now and ask the Federal dustries. Make it as attractive as possible, Government, "Are you sincere in the get them to be started in Sarawak, because development of Sarawak?" If this is the if all things are equal, if interests were the attitude the Federal Government is going to same, the pioneer status is the same, 5 years, adopt, that they will sit on applications made then I can assure this House that Sarawak for industrial applications for development will not bt: developed in the next 50 years. in Sarawak, then Sir, it augurs very ill for the Unless we receive special incentives, special industries of Sarawak and it makes nonsense preferences, special privileges, because of of the whole 5-year Development Plan and our very backward position, then we will not I say we in this House will all be terribly be able to develop ourselves. The Deputy disappointed and I think the most disap­ Chief Minister, the Honourable Member for pointed man will be the Honourable Prime Padawan had mentioned yesterday in his Minister himself. I would ask the Honour­ speech that Sarawak is a poor country. Now, able Minister to look into this matter, this this is a fact. We admit it, and we have a lot allegation, which I am prepared to sub­ of problems and we are also not a very rich stantiate. country compared with some of the other Mr Speaker, Sir, speaking again on rural States. and industrial development in Sarawak, we Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Member in Sarawak, Sir, are very backward in the for Padawan yesterday in his speech touched sense that we do not have estates in Sarawak. on the question of security. He said the Well, let me quote an example. All things security in Sarawak is much better now. I being equal, Sir, an investor would prefer to beg to disagree, Sir. People in Sarawak as a ----~------

4645 13 DISEMBER 1971 4646 whole, tend to disagree with him. give special consideration to the abolition of Admittedly, I am not privy to security the Common Entrance Examination in assessment he has of Sarawak but judging Sarawak? I am sure the Honourable the from what has happened in the 1! years Chief Minister of Sarawak, the Honourable since the Sarawak Coalition Government has Member for Payang, has assured the House taken over the State Government in Sarawak, that he had made approaches to the Federal the position has gone from bad to worse. Government and the Federal Minister of Where there was no curfew in Sibu before Education on this matter, and therefore it there is curfew now in Sibu and in some of cannot be said that that approach was not the Divisions in Sarawak with the result that made by the State Government to the Federal the standard of living of the people in the Government on this. Fourth Division and certain parts of the Third Division are very badly affected by the I am now touching, Sir, on the question curfew position. I would here, Sir, very of development of the Fourth Division. The strongly recommend, as I said earlier on in Honourable Member for Padawan has said a previous debate, that the Government that a big amount of men are available in should not use only the big stick in over­ the Fourth Division and the feasibility survey coming the terrorist problem. We should can be carried out there. But here again I also use the development stick and go down stress that without a port for the Fourth to the ground and down to earth and find Division either at Kuala Baram or possibly out how best the Administration could help at Bintulu-it might be possible there-the to better the standard of living of the people development of Fourth Division cannot be and to better their economic position. So far, carried out as satisfactorily and efficiently as all we have heard from the State Govern­ if there is a port there and here again I ment is, and I do not like to say this because would like to stress on the need of doing a my two friends, the Member for Padawan and quick feasibility survey on the various possi­ the Member for Payang, are not here, but I bility of port for the Fourth Division and also have said this also in Council Negri-that so proceeding ahead with the feasibility survey far we have heard only about the "dynamic" of the land so that more land will be avail­ Government but so far nothing "dynamic" able to the landless. has gone on the ground. In this instance I Mr Speaker, Sir, I like to touch briefly am reminded of my friend on this side of here on a request which my colleague has the House who in one of the debates said made. It is noted that in the Second Develop­ 'that the Government, and here I refer to the ment Plan no provision is made for an State Government, and also the Federal Agricultural College in Sarawak, but may I Government: "Jalan macham semut, ber­ point out, Mr Speaker, Sir, that under the bunyi macham gajah", or something to the First Malaysia Development Plan, a $500,000 effect, Sir. I ask the Government here and I allocation was made for an Agricultural appeal to the Government to please translate College and therefore it is surprising instead all the policies and good works which are of going forward we are going backwards in envisaged under the Development Plan on this matter and that the $500,000 has been the ground. deleted from the Second Malaysia Plan. I Mr Speaker, Sir, now may I touch here hope this matter could be reviewed, Sir, as again on the question of the abolition of the the question of an Agricultural College for Primary Six Common Entrance Examination. Sarawak is a matter of great importance. When this matter was debated earlier on this Lastly, Sir, I would like here to second year, the Honourable Minister of Educa­ tion had assured the House that if the State what again the Honourable Member for Government authorities were to approach Padawan has made, a request to the Govern­ him on this matter he would sympathetically ment and particularly the Minister of Health, consider it, and now we have reached the end I suppose in this particular instance, for of 1971 and we are faced with 1972. For the more money for water supplies for the rural sake of rural development of the people in areas of Sarawak. I would like here again to Sarawak and for the sake of the boys and make another plea for a hookworm survey girls of Sarawak of 12 years old who will of the rural areas in Sarawak and Malaysia, be thrown out of school next year if they do as a whole, to find out what is the incidence not qualify, would the Government please of hookworms, as I myself feel, Sir, and I 4647 13 DISEMBER 1971 4648 am convinced that hookworms have a very (2) Improvement of the quality of educa­ great debilitating effect on the rural folks of tion for the building of a progressive this country and has directly contributed to society orientated towards science and the lowering of their income by their not technology. being able to work as hard as they should. Thank you very much. But under the Second Malaysia Plan we have only as a target seven new vocational schools Tuan Fan Yew Teng (Kampar): (Dengan and six secondary technical schools to be izin) First of all, I would like to touch on constructed in West Malaysia over the next education and I will not hesitate, Mr Speaker, five years and enrolments into these schools Sir, to congratulate the Honourable Minister are exoected to increase from 4,510 in 1970 of Education. Enche' Hussein Onn, for to 12.830 in 1975. But we should not be having both the courage and the sense of misled by the 12,000 figure because this realism in the interest of education in the constitutes just about 2 per cent of the country to spend about three to four days estimated total enrolment of 693,000 students meeting teachers and their unions regarding in secondary schools in West Malaysia by conditions of service and pay vis-a-vis the 1975. Aziz Report. But I am not so prepared to commend the Education Minister for the Another matter of great regret in this implementation of technical and vocational aspect of education is that while we talk so education in the country. much of the importance of the relevance of science and technology for our developing Under the First Malaysia Plan from 1966- society, at the same time the yearly intake of 1970, we saw that $30.8 million dollars were student-teachers into the T.T.T.C. (i.e. the allocated for technical and vocational educa­ Technical Teachers Training College in Jalan tion and sad to say only 10.8 million dollars Cheras) seems to have decreased. This is were used up by the Education Ministry indeed both an educational and planning which comes to about 35.1 per cent achieve­ irony. Mr Speaker, Sir, it is also regrettable ment of the First Malaysia Plan targets for that no mention of technical teacher-training technical and vocational education. I see provisions or even the construction of more that under the Second Malaysia Plan, educa­ educational technical teacher-training colleges tion and training allocation for both secon­ and institutes in the country is made in the dary vocational education and technical Second Malaysia Plan and also for this year's education comes to just slightly over 10 Development Estimates. Regrettable also are per cent of the total allocations for education that pupils in our lower secondary schools and training for the whole Second Malaysia throughout the country are still allotted only Plan period. This too small a percentage is 1,600 minutes per week of vocational or again most regrettable. Now we started off technical education. with the life of this Parliament and the life of the Second Malaysia Plan with a lot of Many schools are still without workshops publicity about the importance of science and for vocational and technical education technology. In fact, science and technology and/ or adequately qualified technical has been incorporated as one of the main teachers. There are even schools where work­ aims of the Rukunegara. But we see that shop facilities for metal-work and wood­ what the Government says about building a work donated by the Canadian Government society orientated towards since and tech­ are not being used and are lying idle to nology is different from the implementation gather rust just because there are no technical of its development programme, particularly teachers for those particular schools. in the field of technical and vocational schools in the country. Mr Speaker, Sir, I would now like to come Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, two out of four of to the problem of teachers. As I have compli­ the main aims of education and training mented the Honourable Minister of Educa­ programmes as listed in the Second Malaysia tion just now, I must also sound a word of Plan are as follows : caution that from now on it will not only be (1) The orientation and expansion of edu­ disadvantageous to the nation in the long cation and training programmes to­ run, but perhaps suicidal to the implementa­ wards getting the manpower need of tion of our whole educational policy, if the the country. Government ever were to go back to old 4649 13 DISEMBER 1971 4650 practices of paying lip service to teachers as years of service to the country and I see no nation-builders but not giving them job reason why they should be left out in the security, not giving them a sense of job cold. There are also about 10,000 teachers, satisfaction in terms of satisfactory pay and D.T.C. trained teachers, who with L.C.E. or conditions of service. Junior Middle III qualifications who should Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, with regard to the also be favourably considered in their request for salary revision. Aziz Commission recommendations-this is not the thne as yet to touch on them in Teachers' work-load, Mr Speaker, Sir, is detail-I would like to urge the Honourable also an utterly important matter not only to Minister of Education not to force the Aziz the teachers themselves, but also to the pupils Commission recommendations down the and education as a whole. As everyone throats of teachers in this country. In fact, knows, teachers in our schools are already at the period for them to decide as to whether present given a very heavy work-load-this, to opt to the new scheme should be extended if I remember, started some time in 1968- from the present three months to at least, having to do extra-mural activities in addition say, six months, because, as we all know, we to their normal teaching duties. must have a contented teaching profession in the country if we were to really and seriously Now, what surprises many teachers, head­ carry out our educational policy or what the masters and members of the public, including Alliance Government has often called "the parents of course, is that in spite of the fact new dynamic educational policy". that many teachers and headmasters have been given extra work-load since the last few Now we in the DAP do not hesitate, as years, they had been allowed-I say we have stated before, to give praise, to give "allowed" because this is apparently allowed bouquets when they are well-deserved, and here I am to give another bouquet to the with the full knowledge of the Ministry of Honourable Minister of Education for Education and its various State depart­ having implemented parity of pay for D.T.C. ments-to be compelled to be appointed and teachers and Malay school teachers with S.C. to carry out duties as unpaid officials of the and M.C.E., but it is a matter of regret that Malaysian School Sports Council. Of course, there are thousands of other teachers who we must concede that there are a good have S.C. or M.C.E. qualifications or equiva­ number of teachers who are public-spirited lent academic qualifications plus recognised enough and who are sports-minded enough teacher training who have been left out in the who are always prepared to do the job, but cold. They are the teachers in the following the great majority of teachers, as we know, categories : are already overburdened and on top of it (1) from the Malacca Women Teachers are compelled rather than persuaded to carry College and the Kota Bharu Teachers out these duties, very often having to do College. travelling and to pay for their travelling fares (2) the Tamil and Chinese School Teachers to attend meetings and other functions and with S.C. and M.C.E. having no advantage of insurance cover for services rendered during such activities. Apart (3) Singapore T.T.C. holder teachers­ many of whom are actually Malaysians. from all these they are also made to miss many teaching periods in their schools and (4) Normal-Class Trained and College­ for headmasters many hours of carrying out Trained teachers who opted to the their school responsibilities. Unified Teaching Service and were appointed to primary schools. So I would urge the Honourable Minister (5) D.T.C. teachers and others with Senior to look into this matter with the view to Middle III qualification. making it not compulsory-that all teachers must serve on the MSSC against their will. Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, these categories of teachers who are not given parity of pay and Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I would give one condi•;ons of service as their colleagues, i.e., example. In Perak, for instance, there are the D.T.C. trained with S.C. and M.C.E. and some heads of schools who have been asked also the Malay school teachers with similar to carry out sports and games programmes qualifications, have contributed in fact many in their districts-having to take charge of 4651 13 DISEMBER 1971 4652 more than 30 schools in that particular area, course of our meetings with the public have that is, beside their daily normal responsibi­ received recurrent complaints from members lity as headmasters. For 1972, for instance of the public, particularly from the labouring many teachers and headmasters have got to class and the illiterates that Government organise as many as 54 activities for different employees have been very rude and dis­ age groups. courteous when dealing with them. We read Mr Speaker, Sir, I would also call upon in the press, from the "Letters to the Editor" the Minister of Education to look into an column of similar complaints. These incidents urgent problem-in fact this is a nightmare­ happened to the educated. We can well the nightmare that is being suffered by imagine what treatment the illiterate, the old 25,329 teachers who have been classified, women and the labouring class, receive at the rightly or wrongly, by the Royal Commission hands of the rude and discourteous Govern­ on the Teaching Service as "serving teachers ment servants. I know of an instance where without the requisite, professional and acade­ workers who had been unjustifiably dismissed mic qualifications". And these 24-over thou­ by the employer went to the Labour Office sand teachers are only consoled by one tiny for help. Their first treatment was to be contradiction in the final chapter of the Aziz shouted at by a Labour Office employee who recommendations, that is that they may still yelled at them. "Do you know what place enjoy the status notwithstanding the lack of is this?" any requisite professional qualifications of the To the illiterate, a Government department new service. But they have been told in no is a place of some dread and awe. Coupled certain terms that if and when the Ministry with their illiteracy they are easily cowed and of Education wants to terminate their services frightened. They go away with the because of the reason stated, of not having strengthened impression that Government the requisite qualifications, they will be departments are places where you go to be chucked out just like that. humiliated and not to be assisted. Another Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, ...... place which is a mine of public complaints against rude Government employees are the Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: If the General Hospitals. The poor and the illiterate Honourable Member has .much more to go, hate to go to the General Hospitals, especially the time is not sufficient. the out-patients departments, for they have Tuan Fan Yew Teng: Mr Speaker, Sir ... the accumulated experience of their class, that they are hecked, shouted at and even abused, Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Have but they have no choice but to go there when you got much longer to go? they are sick because they are too poor to go Tuan Fan Yew Teng: 10 minutes more. to see private practitioners. I know the Honourable Minister will ask me for specific Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: 10 instances and to report it to the Complaints minutes! Well, you better continue tomorrow Bureau or to the relevant authorities afternoon. concerned. The educated can complain, but what about the illiterate? PENANGGOHAN My adjournment speech today, however, is Dato' Ong Kee Hui: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg on the general tone and atmosphere of public to move that this House do now adjourn. service meted out through the departments which co.me into frequent contact with the Tuan Abdul Taib bin Mahmud: Tuan labouring masses-the illiterate. No indi­ Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong. vidual complaint of rudeness can really solve the problem, unless the Government, from the UCHAPAN PENANGGOHAN top sets the tone all down the line, to all its KAKI-TANGAN KERAJAAN HENDAK­ Government employees that they must ever LAH BERBUDI BIASA TERHADAP be polite and courteous to the public, however RA'AYAT illiterate and however ignorant they are. I am aware that there have been courtesy Tuan Lim Kit Siang (Bandar Melaka): campaigns in the past, but these had generally (Dengan izin) Mr Speaker, Sir, my fellow failed to achieve results. To be successful Parliamentarians in the D.A.P. and I in the in its campaigns, to instill courtesy in 4653 13 DISEMBER 1971 4654 Government employees when dealing with impliedly put the blame on the vast majority the public, the Government must be able to of civil servants who are not really that bad com.municate to all Government employees to the public. In fact, I would say those who that they are not the people's masters but have not been blamed, of whom the Honour­ their servants, and that the Government is able Member have not received complaints deadly serious in its resolve to have a about, are many, many more in numbers and courteous and polite public service. Unless the&e people deserve to be given the credit the Government can communicate this re­ and the encouragement to continue serving solve and back it up with action, a thousand the public as they have been used to. So I courtesy campaigns among public servants really do not think that an overall approach will be merely empty propaganda. Thank you. as in a campaign will in fact be good. In fact, it may give a very wrong impression of Tuan Abdul Taib bin Mahmud: (Dengan Malaysia as having a very bad Civil Service izin) Mr Speaker, may I at the outset reiterate which is not the case, as the Honourable here the great importance that this Govern­ Member knows very well. For example, let ment attaches to the idea of the civil servants me quote to the Honourable Member about giving dedicated and courteous services to the those complaints we have received in the public. In fact, it goes without saying that Complaints Bureau. every Government servant is expected to give those services. The Government has in the Since August this year, we have received past, and still is continuing to remind the more than 4,000 reports about various pro­ Government servants of this at the various blems. Only 11% of these reports deals with levels and through various means. rudeness to the public. This shows probably that the literate people or those who can The Prime Minister himself has many times write have received less rude treatment-it spoken about the importance of civil servants may be. But is there any other way in which to get close to the people and to serve the we can tackle the problem of the illiterates? people. Various other Ministers, I am sure I would say there may be. They do not have have done the same thing. Heads of Govern­ to write; they can go to the Complaints ment departments have off and on reminded Bureau immediately after they have been ill­ their subordinates to give due respect and treated. Complaints will be taken, somebody courtesy. Circulars have been sent to the same else will write them down for them. This is effect, and in some departments posters were the real purpose of the Complaints Bumm. being hung in order to remind the workers I think the solution, as we have now, is the that they have got to be courteous and polite best because it is the proper way of bringing to the public, particularly those who have to light the grievances of the public. This is direct dealing with the public. In spite of the very idea why the Complaints Bureau has these efforts, we cannot deny that there are been established. Make full use of the Com­ instances where some civil servants have been plaints Bureau. This is an indication that the rude to the public and I hope most of these Government welcomes very much legitimate have received reprimands from their complaints from the public. It is only the superiors. Now the question here is whether co-operation of the public to bring about we need to have a general campaign in order legitimate complaints that will bring about a to improve the position. I myself submit, Sir, greater improvement to our Civil Service in that there is no necessity for that. Where you respect of areas where we still lack good have a general lack of understanding for the service now and the instances that the need of courtesy and politeness to the public Honourable Member had been able to quote among civil servants, then a campaign is may not justify that the ills are so widely necessary because a campaign can only tackle spread. the question of general education. But where I would like to take this opportunity, Sir, enforcement is needed, I do not think a to remind the public that while we welcome campaign is really that effective or useful at all these complaints, in order to save the all. I still think that the present system is the time of the people working in the Complaints best. There is one hesitation I would have, Bureau, let them bring their complaints with even if I want to associate myself with the proper substantiation because it has been Honourable Member for Bandar Melaka; found out in the past few months of the and that is, a campaign of such nature would operations of the Complaints Bureau, that 4655 13 DISEMBER 1971 4656 we have received quite a lot of unsubstantiated things and I would encourage them to use complaints. For example, in the complaints these facilities properly so as to serve its regarding rudeness, only 40% have some proper purpose. legitimate grounds. The others were quite Mr Speaker, Sir, while I share the good frivolous, and in fact, I would like to quote motive the Honourable Member has in trying an instance in Penang where the Complaints to better the position of the people-in-the­ Bureau took all the trouble to go to a street, I do not agree that a campaign of a department, interviewed many officers and general nature that he has advocated is the when they were about to get clarifications right method of approaching the problems. from the complainants they found that the address of the people who complained was Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Dewan fictitious and the name of the complainant ini di-tanggohkan sa-hingga pukul 2.30 hari was also fictitious. The Complaints Bureau Selasa. would not victimise anybody. Every citizen Dewan di-tanggohkan pada pukul 6.45 has the right to complain about legitimate petang.