Jilid I Harl Isnin Bil. 47 lOhb Januari, 1972

PENYA TA RASMI OFFICIAL REPORT

DEWAN RA'AYAT House of Representatives

PARLIMEN KETIGA Third Parliament

PENGGAL PARLIMEN PERTAMA First Session

KANDONGAN-NYA

IAWAPAN2 MULUT BAGI PERTANYAAN2 [Ruangan 5317] RANG UNDANG2: Rang Undang2 Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka (Pindaan) (No. 2) (Pindaan) [Ruangan 5345] Rang Undang2 Pelajaran (Pindaan) [Ruangan 5348]

USUL2: Waktu Mesbuarat dan Urusan Yang di-Bebaskan daripada Peratoran Meshuarat [Ruangan 5393) Ucbapan Penanggohan (Rasuah) [Ruangan 5420]

MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT YANG KETIGA Penyata Rasmi • Penggal Yang Pertama

Hari Isnin, lOhb Januari, 1972

Meshuarat di-mulakan pada pukul 2.30 petang

YANG HADHIR:

Yang Berhormat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YusuF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, s.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara Perak. Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri, Menteri Luar Negeri dan Menteri Pertahanan, TUN HAJJ ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSEIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). Timbalan Perdana Menteri dan Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, TUN DR ISMAIL AL-HAJ BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, s.s.M., P.M.N., s.P.M.J. (Johor Timor). Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan, TuN TAN Srnw SIN, s.s.M., J.P. (Melaka Tengah). Menteri Perhubongan, TAN SRI HAJ1 SARDON BIN HAJ1 JUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). Menteri Perdagangan dan Perindastrian, TUAN MOHAMED KHIR J OHARI (Kedah Tengah). Menteri Hal Ehwal Sarawak, TAN SRI TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K., P.N.B.S., O.B.E., Q.M.C. (Ulu Rajang). Menteri Buroh dan Tenaga Ra'ayat, TAN SRI V. MANICKAVASAGAM, P.M.N., J.M.N., P.J.K., S.P.M.S. (Klang). Menteri Pertanian dan Perikanan, TAN SRI HAJI MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI, P.M.N., D.P.C.M. (Kuala Kangsar). Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar, TUAN ABDUL GHAFAR BIN BABA (Melaka Utara). Menteri Kerja Raya dan Tenaga, DATO' HAJ1 ABDUL GHANI G1LONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Kinabalu). Menteri Kesihatan, TUAN LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Sepang). Menteri Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sokan, DATO' HAMZAH BIN DATO' ABU SAMAH, S.M.K., D.S.R., S.I.M.P. (Raub). Menteri Kebajikan Am, TAN SRI FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap). Menteri Pelajaran, TUAN HUSSEIN BIN DATO' ONN, P.I.s., M.B.E. (Johar Bahru Timor). Menteri Teknoloji, Penyelidekan dan Kerajaan Tempatan, DATO' ONG KEE HUI, P.N.B.S. (Bandar Kuching). Menteri Perusahaan Utama, TUAN ABDUL T AIB BIN MAHMUD (Samarahan). 5311 10 JANUARI 1972 5312 Yang Berhormat Timbalan Menteri Kewangan, TUAN Au BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan). Timbalan Menteri Pertanian dan Perikanan, DATO' ABDUL SAMAD BIN IDRIS, J.M.N., A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kuala Pilah). Timbalan Menteri Pertahanan, Y.M. TENGKU AHMAD RITHAUDEEN AL-HAJ BIN TENGKU ISMAIL, P.M.K. (Kota Bharu Hilir). Timbalan Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, TUAN MOHAMED BIN YAACOB, P.M.K., S.M.T. (Tanah Merah). Setiausaha Parlimen kapada Perdana Menteri, WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T. (Kuala Trengganu Utara). Setiausaha Parlimen kapada Menteri dengan Tugas2 Khas dan Menteri Penerangan, TUAN SHARIFF AHMAD (Langat). Setiausaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Pengangkutan, TUAN MOHAMED BIN UJANG, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Jelebu-Jempol). DATO' DR HAJI ABDUL AZIZ BIN OMAR, D.J.M.K., J.M.N., J.M.K., S.M.K. (Tumpat). Y.A.M. TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI ALMARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T. (Rawang). TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS, A.D.K. (Sabah Selatan). DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJJ HUSSIN, D.S.W., J.S.M. (Lipis). TUAN HAJI ABDUL WAHAB BIN YUNUS (Dungun). PENGHULU ABIT ANAK ANGKIN, P.P.N. (Kapit). TUAN ABU BAKAR BIN UMAR (Kubang Pasu Barat). TuAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). PENGIRAN AHMAD BIN PENGIRAN INDAR (Kinabatangan). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SA'ID, J.P. (Seberang Utara). TUAN HAJJ AHMAD DAMANHURI BIN HAJI ABDUL WAHAB, P.M.P., P.J.K. (Hilir Perak). TAN SRI HAJI NIK AHMED KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N. (Ulu Kelantan). PUAN BIBI AISHAH BINTI HAMID DON, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kulim Utara). DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J. (Muar Selatan). TUAN AZAHAR! BIN MOHD. TAIB, S.M.K., A.M.N., J.P., J.S.M. (Sungei Patani). DATO' PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK }ANTING, Q.M.C., P.B.S., P.N.B.S. (Julau). CHEGU BAUDI BIN UNGGUT (Bandau). TUAN BOJENG BIN ANDOT (Simunjan). TUAN BUJA BIN GUMBILAI (Tuaran). AWANG BUNGSU BIN ABDULLAH (Limbang-Lawas). TUAN HAJI AWANG WAL BIN AWANG ABU (Santubong). TUAN CHAN Fu KING (Telok Anson). TUAN CHAN SIANG SuN, A.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Bentong). " TUAN CHAN YOON 0NN (Ulu Kinta). TUAN CHEN Ko MING, P.B.S., A.M.N. (Sarikei). DR CHEN MAN HIN (Seremban Timor). DR CHU CHEE PENG (Kluang Selatan). TUAN VALENTINE COTTER alias JOSEPH VALENTINE COTTER (Bau-Lundu). 5313 10 JANUARI 1972 5314

Yang Berhormat TUAN PETER PAUL DASON (Pulau Pinang Utara). TuAN v. DAVID (Dato Kramat). TUAN EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN, A.B.S. (Batang Lupar). TUAN FAN YEW TENG (Kampar). DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTl HAJI ABDUL MAJID, J.M.N., P.I.S. (Batu Pahat Dalam). TUAN THOMAS SELVARAJ GABRIEL (Pulau Pinang Selatan). TUAN GoH HOCK GUAN (Bungsar). TUAN HANAFIAH HUSSAIN, A.M.N. (Jerai). TuAN HASHIM BIN GERA (Parit). TUAN RICHARD Ho UNG HUN (Sitiawan). TUAN HUSSAIN BIN HAJJ SULAIMAN (Besut). TAN SRI SYED JAAFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N. (Johar Tenggara). .. TUAN KHOO PENG LooNG, O.B.E. (Bandar Sibu). .. TuAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA, P.B.S. (Saratok). TUAN LATIP BIN HAJJ IDRIS (Mukah). TUAN LEE SECK FUN, K.M.N. (Tanjong Malim). .. DR LIM CHONG Eu (Tanjong). TUAN LIM KIT SIANG (Bandar Melaka). TUAN LOH JEE MEE (Batang Padang). TUAN w ALTER LOH PoH KHAN (Setapak). TUAN LUHAT WAN (Baram). TUAN ANDREW MARA ANAK wALTER UNJAH (Betong). TUAN HAJI MAWARDI BIN LEBAI TEH (Kota Star Utara). TUAN MOHD . .ARIF BIN SALLEH, A.D.K. (Sabah Dalam). TUAN HAJI MOHD. CHIK JoHARI ONDU MAJAKIL (Labuan-Beaufort). TUAN MOHD. DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). TUAN MOHD. NOR BIN Mo. DAHAN, A.M.N., J.P. (Ulu Perak). .. TAN SRI MOHAMMAD SAID BIN KERUAK, P.M.N., S.P.D.K. (Kota Belud). TuAN MOHD. TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K. (Kuala Langat). TUAN MOHD. TAHIR BIN HAJJ ABDUL MANAN (Kapar). TUAN HAJI MOHD. ZAIN BIN ABDULLAH (Bachok). DATO' ENGKU MuHSEIN BIN ENGKU ABDUL KADIR, o.P.M.T., J.M.N. (Trengganu Tengah). WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD, P.J.K. (Kemaman). TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJJ ISMAIL, J.S.M. (Perlis Selatan). TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJJ ABDULLAH, J.P. (Pasir Mas Hilir). DATO' HAJJ MUSTAPHA BIN HAJJ ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., J.M.N., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam). TUAN JONATHAN NARWIN ANAK JINGGONG (Lubok Antu). TAN SRI SYED NASIR BIN ISMAIL, P.M.N., J.M.N., D.P.M.J., P.I.S. (Muar Dalam).

------5315 10 JANUARI 1972 5316 Yang Berhormat TUAN NG HoE HUN (Larut Selatan). RAJA NoNG CHIK BIN RAJA ISHAK, P.J.K. (Kuala Selangor). TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara). PENGARAH RAHUN ANAK DEBAK (Serian). TUAN R. c. M. RAYAN alias R. c. MAHADEVA RAYAN (Ipoh). TUAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, P .1.s., s.M.J. (Muar Pantai). DR s. SEEVARATNAM, P.J.K. (Seremban Barat). TUAN HAJI SHAFIE BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N., B.C.K. (Baling). TUAN SoH t\.H TECK, A.M.N. (Batu Pahat). DR A. SooRIAN (Port Dickson). TUAN Su LIANG Yu (Bruas). wAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJI IBRAHIM, S.M.K. (Pasir Puteh). DR SuLAIMAN BIN MOHAMED ATTAS, J.P., P.J.K. (Rembau-Tampin). TUAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut). TUAN TAI KUAN YANG, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kulim Bandar Bharu); TuAN TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara). DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu). TUAN TAN CHENG BEE, A.M.N., J.P. (Bagan). TUAN TIAH ENG BEE, P.I.S. (Kluang Utara). TuAN JAMES STEPHEN TrnoK, A.D.K. (Penampang). TUAN TIBUOH ANAK RANTA! (Rajang). TUAN TING MIN.G KIONG (Bintulu). TUAN JOSEPH UNTING ANAK UMANG (Kanowit). DATO' JAMES WONG KIM MIN, P.N.B.S. (Miri-Subis). TUAN YEH PAO Tzu, A.M.N. (Tawau). TUAN YEOH TECK CHYE (Bukit Bintang). TUAN STEPHEN YONG KuET TzE (Padawan). TUAN HAJI YusoF BIN HAJI ABDULLAH alias HAJI YusoF RAWA (Kota Star Selatan). TENGKU ZAID BIN TENGKU AHMAD, D.P.M.K., J.M.K., S.M.K. (Pasir Mas Hulu).

YANG TIADA HADHIR:

Yang Berhormat Menteri Perpaduan Negara, TUN V. T. SAMBANTHAN, s.s.M., P.M.N. (Sungei Siput). Timbalan Menteri Buroh dan Tenaga Ra'ayat, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N. (Segamat Selatan). Setiausaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Pelajaran, TUAN MOHAMED BIN RAHMAT (Johor Bahru Barat). NIK ABDUL AZIZ BIN NIK MAT, J.P. (Kelantan Hilir). Y.T.M. TuNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M., C.H., D.M.N. (Kuala Kedah). DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB, P.N.B.s. (Payang). TUAN AHMAD BIN HAJI ITHNIN (Melaka Selatan). TUAN AJAD BIN 0. T. UYONG (Labuk-Sugut). TuAN HoR CHEOK FooN (Damansara). 5317 10 JANUARI 1972 5318 Yang Berhormat TAN SRI KHAW KAI BOH, P.M.N., P.J.K. (Ulu Selangor). TUAN LIM CHO HOCK (Batu Gajah). TUAN LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K. (Alor Star). TUAN PETER Lo Su YIN (Sandakan). DR MoHD. BIN TAIB, P.M.K., P.J.K. (Kuantan). DATO' HAn MOHAMED AsRI BIN HAn MUDA, s.P.M.K. (Kota Bharu Hulu). TUAN MOHD. SALLEH BIN DATO' PANGLIMA ABDULLAH (Darvel). TUAN HAJI MOHAMED YusoF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). TUAN MUSA BIN HITAM (Segamat Utara). TUN DATU HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N., P.D.K., K.V.O., O.B.E. (Marudu). TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN HUSSAIN (Seberang Tengah). DATO' PANG TET TSHUNG, P.D.K. (Kota Kinabalu). TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR, K.M.N., P.M.P. (Krian Darat). DATO' s. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu). TUAN SULAIMAN BIN BULON, P.J.K. (Bagan Datoh). PENGIRAN TAHm BIN PENGIRAN PATERA (Kimanis). TUAN v. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan).

YANG HADHIR BERSAMA:

Yang Berhormat Peguam Negara, TAN SRI ABDUL KADIR BIN YusoF, P.M.N., P.J.K. (Di-lantek). Menteri Tugas2 Khas. DR LIM KENG YAIK (Di-lantek).

DO'A luar bandar di-Sarawak sa-bagaimana yang berlaku di-pilehanraya kechil Bau-Lundu (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan baharu2 ini ada-lah mengikut chara pilehan­ Meshuarat) raya yang dahulu dan bukan-lah satu sistem membuang undi yang baharu saperti yang di­ JAWAPAN2 MULUT BAGI nyatakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat. PERTANY AAN2 Awang Bungsu bin Abdullah: Tuan Yang PILEHANRAYA KECHIL BAU-LUNDU di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Ada-kah Yang Berhormat Menteri berchadang hendak 1. Tuan Pengarah Rabun anak Debak minta mengubah atau meminda polling station yang Perdana Menteri menyatakan sama ada ada di-Sarawak supaya ra'ayat di-luar Kerajaan akan menimbang tidak mengguna­ bandar lebeh senang turun mengundi. kan chara baharu mengundi di-kawasan2 luar bandar di-Sarawak bagi pilehanraya Tuan Haji Abdul Taib bin Mahmud: Tuan yang akan datang, sa-bagaimana yang telah 2 2 Yang di-Pertua, tiap masa pilehanraya akan di-buat baharu ini sa-masa pilehanraya di-adakan selalu ada perundingan di-adakan kechil Bau-Lundu, kerana ini mendatangkan di-antara pehak pegawai2 Surohanjaya de­ beberapa kesusahan yang sa-patut-nya tidak 2 ngan pehak pentadbiran dalam kawasan yang berlaku kapada pengundi dan akibat-nya berkenaan untok menentukan di-mana patut­ tidak ramai pengundi2 keluar mengundi. nya menempatkan polling stations itu. Di­ Menteri Perusahaan Utama (Tuan Haji tempat macham di-Bau-Lundu dan di­ Abdul Taib bin Mahmud): Tuan Yang di­ Pelagus, soal security terpaksa-lah juga Pertua, sistem membuang undi di-kawasan di-timbangkan sama. 5319 10 JANUARI 1972 5320

BANTUAN2 KAPADA KERAJAAN so long as tl).~re is an effective Government VIETNAM SELATAN which is in control in South Vietnam, we recognise that Government and work together with that Government and give them what­ 2. Tuan Goh Hock Guan (di-bawah S.O. ever assistance we think we can. 24 (2)) minta Menteri Luar Negeri menyata­ kan butir2 mengenai bantuan tentera atau kebendaan atau kemudahan Iatehan yang Tuan Goh Hock Guan: Sir, the South telah di-beri oleh Kerajaan kapada Kerajaan Vietnamese regime is noted the world over Vietnam Selatan pada tahun 1969, 1970 dan as a highly reactionary right-wing anti­ 1971. communist Government. Sir, I suppose that the neutrality policy which this Government Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, has espoused is basically one of non-align­ sa-bagai satu dasar kita untok bekerjasama ment-not aligned with the anti-communist dengan negara2 tetangga kita memberi ke­ or with the pro-communist. So, that being mudahan2 latehan dalam perkara2 menjaga the case, Sir, would the continuation of ketenteraman awam atau maintenance of assistance to the South Vietnamese or, for public law and order kapada pelateh2 that matter, the Cambodians-and I see that negara2 sahabat kita yang berkehendakkan a pact has been signed today whereby diplo­ latehan2 itu. Dalam masa 3 tahun ini ia-itu matic recognition has been accorded to the dari tahun 1969 hingga 1971 kita telah mem­ Khmer Government-would that not jeopar­ beri latehan kapada 450 orang dari Vietnam dise the neutrality policy which we are now Sela tan. putting forward? Tuan Goh Hock Guan: (Dengan izin) Mr Perdana Menteri: No, Sir, this is in line Speaker, Sir, will the Honourable Prime with our policy of neutrality in South-East Minister please inform the House whether Asia, because we want to bring all these this assistance would continue for the South countries in South-East Asia to work Vietnamese Government and, if so, how does together, and this includes Laos, Vietnam, this reconcile with our proposal for the neu­ Cambodia and North Vietnam too, so that trality of South-East Asia? we can work together towards the mainte­ nance of peace and stability in this area, and Perdana Menteri: (Dengan izin) Sir, as I our non-alignment policy is clear, that is to said, our policy is to work together with the say, we want to be friendly with all countries countries in South-East Asia, and we endea­ and we are not interfering with the internal vour to assist them in whatever way we can. affairs of other countries. We have said that In the same way they assist us-we get we will befriend all countries who want to training from Indonesia in military matters. be friendly with us whatever the system of So, in the same way, we provide training to Government of that country will be-whether people from Vietnam if they so desire. I have communist, socialist or whatever you want to stated also that this training is mainly on the call it-that is a matter for the country maintenance of law and order, riot, concerned. So long as that country wants to selection drill and techniques, instruction in befriend us, we will be friendly with that staff and en~eer commands. This is certain­ country. ly in line with our policy of neutrality. TIJ8D Goh Hock Guam Would it therefore Tuan V. DaVtd: (Dengan izin) Sir, in view be fair to assume if we take that line of of the present situation in Vietnam and also argument, that the Malaysian Government is the provisional Government which is existing already giving, or is considering giving, in Vietnam, do you not think that it would similar assistance to the Khmer Government not be wise for the Malaysian Government to train up their Police Forces to maintain to get itself involved in any form of training internal ~w and security? which could later be used against this country? Perdaoa Menteri: That is a separate issue, Sir. As I said, we will always be ready to Perdana Menteri: No, Sir. As I said, this help friendly countries if we think we can is quite proper for us. After all, there is an give that help and if we think that help is accepted Government in South Vietnam and desirable. 5321 10 JANUARI 1972 5322 PENGECHUALIAN ASIA TENGGARA­ mereka patut di-tahan sa-lama dua RUNDINGAN DENGAN PRESIDEN tahun lagi; NIXON (b) sila beri bilangan dan nama orang2 yang di-larang mengambil bahagian 3. Tuan V. David bertanya kapada Menteri dalam politik di-negara ini. Luar Negeri sama ada rundingan beliau dahulu dengan Presiden Nixon telah Timbalan Perdana Menterl dan Menteri menentukan sikap terhadap pengechualian Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri (Tun Dr Ismail Asia Tenggara dan penarekan yang segera Al~Haj): Tuan Yang di-Pertua: bagi semua Pasokan2 Tentera Amerika yang bertapak di-bumi Asia dengan tujuan untolc (a) Hanya sa-orang sahaja yang di-hukum­ menchipta keamanan di-rantau ini. kan perlanjutan tahanan sa-lama 2 tahun lagi telah di-bebaskan dengan Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Perentah Sekatan. perkara ini telah tidak di-kemukakan, akan (b) kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat, saya tetapi saperti yang di-ketahui oleh Ahli2 suka menegaskan bahawa semua Yang Berhormat Kerajaan Amerika Sharikat warganegara ada-lah bebas mengambil telah menyatakan keinginan-nya untok me­ bahagian dalam politik dalam negeri narek keluar tentera2-nya dari Asia sa-chara ini, di-kechualikan mereka yang telah beransor2• di-kenakan Restriction Order di-bawah sa-suatu Undang2 yang melarang Tuan V. David: (Dengan izin) Mr Speaker, mereka daripada berbuat demikian. Sir, the United States Government of course Pada masa ini ada sa-ramai 558 orang had given many assurances of withdrawing yang di-kenakan Restriction Order di­ their armed forces from Vietnam, from Asia. bawah sekshen 85, dan Penggantongan Is there an indication that our Prime Minister Perentah Tahanan di-bawah sekshen has received from the United States Govern­ 10, Internal Security Act, 1960. Satu ment when the United States intends to daripada sharat perentah2 itu ia-lah completely withdraw from Asia? melarang mereka daripada mengambil bahagian dalam politik. Soal yang ke­ Perdana Menteri: (Dengan izin) Sir, I am dua, bukan-lah menjadi amalan Ke­ only responsible for the policy of this menterian ini memberitahu nama2 Government. I am not responsible for the mereka yang di-kenakan Restriction policy of the Government of the United Order demi kepentingan keselamatan States. negara dan untok menjaga maruah orang2 yang berkenaan itu. Tuan Goh Hock Guan: (Dengan izin) Sir, on your return from America you stated that Tuan Loh Jee Mee: (Dengan izin) Sir, will the American Government is prepared to the Minister explain to this House as to why support our policy of neutrality, but the next some detainees were not released after more day the United States Government denied than two years of detention in Pulau J erejak? that they had given such a backing. Is it due to some error or is it due to the fact that Tun Dr Ismail Al-Haj: Oleh kerana dia the Americans have not made up their minds di-fikirkan belum lagi boleh di-bebaskan. on whether they want a neutral South-East Asia or not? Tuan Goh Hock Guan: (Dengan izin) Sir, will the Honourable Minister please tell us Perdana Menteri: (Dengan izin) Sir, I how many detainees are still being kept in never said such a thing. Pulau J erejak? TAHANAN2 DI-PULAU JEREJAK­ Tun Dr Ismail Al-Haj: Saal itu kerana LARANGAN DALAM POLITIK angka2 yang di-kehendakkan. Sunggoh pun saya ini boleh ingat macham2, tetapi banyak 4. Tuan Su Liang Yu minta Menteri Hal perkara hendak di-ingat. Kalau angka itu Ehwal Dalam Negeri menyatakan: hendak di~beritahu, saya boleh-lah beri (a) berapa orang tahanan di-Pulau Jerejak kapada dia; itu bukan satu perkara yang yang telah di-bebaskan walau pun sulit. 5323 10 JANUARI 1972 5324 Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Arshad: Tuan MAJLIS TEMPATAN KAMPONG Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Dalam KOH-AMALAN2 SALAH orang2 yang di-tahan di-Pulau Jerejak ini, sa-bagaimana yang telah di-sebutkan oleh 6. Tuan Su Liang Yu minta Menteri Hal Yang Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri Ehwal Dalam Negeri menyatakan sama ada 2 tadi mungkin ada orang Islam. Dengan ada­ beliau sedar bahawa suatu aduan telah di­ nya orang Islam di-tahan di-Pulau Jerejak buat kapada Badan Penchegah Rasuah, itu, ada-kah di-berikan kemudahan kapada mereka itu mendirikan sembahyang Juma 'at. Perak pada tahun 1967 dan 1968 menyata­ kan amalan2 salah oleh Ahli2 Majlis Tem­ patan Kampong Koh di-Perak. Jika demi­ Tun Dr Ismail Al-Haj: Soal mengadakan sembahyang Juma'at ini boleh-lah di-kajikan kian, mengapa-kah ahli2 yang berkenaan itu dan jikalau ramai mereka itu hendak sembah­ tidak di-tahan hingga sekarang. yang, boleh-lah di-sediakan untok tempat sembahyang Juma'at kapada mereka itu. Tun Dr Ismail AI-Haj: Tuan Yang di­ Pertua, saya telah di-beritahu oleh Badan Tuan Goh Hock Guan: (Dengan izin) Sir, Penchegah Rasuah bahawa aduan yang ter­ some detainees who have been released are sebut itu ada di-buat. Penyiasatan telah di­ allowed to take part in politics whilst on the jalankan dan tiada tangkapan di-buat oleh other hand a number of others are kerana tidak ada bukti2 yang chukup. not allowed to take part in politics on their release. Could the Minister inform the House WANG NILAI HARGA EMAS­ on what basis such a distinction is made? MENGELUARKAN DARI TABONG Tun Dr Ismail Al-Haj: Mengikut merit 7. Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus tiap2 kes itu. bertanya kapada Menteri Kewangan: PENGGANAS2 KOMINIS-TANGKAPAN (a) apa-kah tujuan Malaysia mengeluar­ OLEH PASOKAN KESELAMATAN kan sa-banyak $22 juta wang nilai harga emas dari Kumpulan Wang 5. Tuan Su Liang Yu minta Menteri Hal Antarabangsa untok di-berikan ka­ Ehwal Dalam Negeri menyatakan : pada Tabong Simpanan yang di­ tubohkan di-bawah Perjanjian Timah (a) berapa orang pengganas kominis yang Antarabangsa; dan telah di-tembak dan di-tangkap oleh Pasokan2 Keselamatan dari tahun (b) ada-kah atau bagaimana chara-nya 1969 hingga masa sekarang; dan Malaysia akan mendapat keuntongan.

(b) bilangan ahli2 Pasokan2 Keselamatan Menteri Kewangan (Tun Tan Siew Sin): kita yang mengambil bahagian menen­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tang pengganas kominis hingga sekarang. (a) tujuan Malaysia mengeluarkan sa­ banyak $22.3 juta dari Kumpulan Tun Dr Ismail Al-Haj: Tuan Yang di­ Wang Antarabangsa pada lOhb Ogos, Pertua, 1971 ada-lah untok membiayal sa­ bahagian dari charuman pertama (a) bagi menjawab pertanyaan yang per­ Malaysia kapada chadangan penimbal tama, sa-ramai 348 orang pengganas yang di-bubohkan di-bawah Perjanjian telah di-tembak dan di-tangkap oleh Bijeh Timah Antarabangsa Yang Ke­ Pasokan Keselamatan dalam tempoh empat. Kemudahan membiayai cha­ 1-1-69 hingga 15-11-71. dangan penimbal Kumpulan Wang Antarabangsa di-tubohkan pada bulan (b) terhadap pertanyaan yang kedua pula, 1un, 1969 untok menyediakan wang, ma 'alumat yang di-kehendaki itu jika sesuai, kapada negara2 ahli yang tidak-lah dapat di-beri demi kepen­ mengambil bahagian dalam peratoran tingan keselamatan negara. barangan antarabangsa (international 5325 10 JANUARI 1972 5326 commodity arrangements), kerana cha­ WANG MALAYSIA DI-HANTAR ruman mereka kapada chadangan pe­ KA-INDIA nimbal yang di-dirikan di-bawah per­ atoran ini. Pada 25hb November, 1970 8. Raja Nong Chik bin Raja Ishak minta Kumpulan Wang Antarabangsa telah Menteri Kewangan menyatakan berapa memutuskan bahawa chadangan pe­ banyak wang Malaysia yang telah di-benar­ nimbal bijeh timah yang di-tubohkan kan di-hantar ka-lndia pada tahun 1968, di-bawah Perjanjian Bijeh Timah An­ 1969 dan 1970. tarabangsa Yang Ke-empat ada-lah Tun Tan Siew Sin: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, layak menggunakan pembiayaan di­ kiriman wang ka-lndia, ia-itu sa-buah bawah kemudahan ini dengan sharat negara dalam Kawasan Sterling (Sterling bahawa pembiayaan itu tidak akan area), tidak-lah terta'alok kapada kawalan lebeh dua pertiga daripada charuman pertukaran wang asing. Sa-benar-nya semua kapada chadangan penimbal bijeh urusniaga2 kewangan di-antara Malaysia timah yang di-buat oleh sa-buah dan negara2 lain dalam kawasan Sterling negara ahli. Atas asas ini-lah Malaysia ada-lah bebas daripada kawalan pertukaran 2 bersama dengan Indonesia dan wang asing. Oleh itu ma 'alumat2 resmi negara2 lain telah mengeluarkan dari­ mengenai jumlah wang Malaysia yang di­ pada Kumpulan Wang Antarabangsa. kirimkan ka-India tidak-lah dapat di-per­ Oleh kerana soalan ini merujok ka­ olehi. pada "pengeluaran Malaysia yang ber­ Raja Nong Chik bin Raja Ishak: Soalan jumlah $22 juta wang chadangan emas tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Negeri dari Kumpulan Wang Antarabangsa" kita ada-lah kaya raya, negeri kita ada harus-lah di-tegaskan, ia-itu penge­ dalam Commonwealth tetapi jikalau wang luaran yang di-buat oleh Malaysia, ini di-bawa keluar negeri baik ka-lndia, ka­ saperti juga dengan pengeluaran oleh Pakistan atau lain2 dalam Commonwealth negara2 lain, telah di-laksanakan ini, tidak-kah; saya bertanya kapada dalam berbagai2 mata wang asing dan Menteri yang bertanggong-jawab ia-itu wang bukan dengan emas. Bayaran kapada dalam negeri kita akan susut. chadangan penimbal bijeh timah juga di-buat dengan matawang asing, dan Tun Tan Siew Sin: (Dengan izin) Tuan bukan dengan emas. Yang di-Pertua, I tried to explain to this House before that this policy cuts both ways. (b) Malaysia mendapat faedah dari pe­ What can go out can also come in and, as ngeluaran yang di-buat dari Kumpulan they say, the proof of the pudding is in the Wang Antarabangsa kerana Malaysia eating. So far this policy has resulted in more tidak di-kenakan bayaran bunga ka­ funds coming in than funds going out. atas jumlah ini, oleh kerana penge­ Raja Nong Chik bin Raja Ishak: Soalan luaran ini ia-lah pengeluaran Malaysia tambahan. Yang saya dapat tahu ia-itu yang pertama dan jumlah yang di­ wang daripada India tidak boleh masok ka­ keluarkan itu kurang dari charuman Malaysia, jadi one way street sahaja. Dari modal Malaysia kapada Kumpulan Tanah Melayu-dari Malaysia boleh masok Wang Antarabangsa yang telah di­ ka-India tetapi dari India tidak boleh masok bayar dengan emas. Di-bawah pera­ ka-Malaysia, itu sebab saya katakan toran2 Kumpulan Wang Antarabangsa, sunggoh pun dalam Commonwealth, tetapi pengeluaran sa-hingga jumlah "tranche ada yang boleh, ada yang tidak boleh. emas" (gold tranche) atau pun dalam lain perkataan, 25% daripada charuman Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Apa soalan-nya? Malaysia yang telah di-bayar dengan Raja Nong Chik bin Raja Ishak: Soalan­ emas kapada Kumpulan Wang Antarabangsa, tidak akan di-kenakan nya, betul atau tidak wang daripada Malay­ bunga. Sa-kira-nya Malaysia menggu­ sia masok ka-India tetapi wang India tidak nakan chadangan pertukaran wang boleh masok ka-Malaysia. asing untok membiayai chadangan Tun Tan Siew Sin: I do not think the penimbal bijeh timah, kerugian dalam Honourable Member understood the point pendapatan di-anggar sa-banyak lebeh of my remarks. It is quite true that India kurang 7% sa-tahun. maintains a very rigid exchange control 5327 10 JANUARI 1972 5328 policy, but when you do that you can also be (b) berapa banyak-kah yang di-mileki oleh sure that nobody is going to send money in ra 'ayat negeri ini. because they know that once the money goes in it cannot come out. Now our policy Tun Tan Siew Sin: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, hitherto has been that we allow a fairly (a) pada masa ini ada 92 sharikat insuran liberal exchange control policy and as a yang menjalankan perniagaan insuran result foreigners do not mind bringing di-Malaysia yang terdiri daripada 11 money in because they know that they ca.n sharikat yang di-tubohkan di-Malaysia always take it out. That is the difference, Sir. dan 81 sharikat yang di-tubohkan di­ I think it has paid handsome dividends in negara asing. Tetapi saya suka the past and it will continue to do so in the menerangkan bahawa sharikat2 asing future, I have got no doubt. itu menjalankan perusahaan-nya di-sini hanya melalui chawangan2-nya atau Tuan Goh Hock Guan: (Dengan izin) The melalui wakil2-nya sahaja. Butir2 yang Minister said that hitherto our policy has di-kehendaki itu ada-lah saperti ber­ been a free one, but does he envisage the ikut: day, in the not too distant future, when some kind of foreign exchange control would Oleh kerana terlalu banyak angka have to be imposed in view of the decline in yang terlibat, saya tidak akan our export earnings? membacha-nya, tetapi Ahli2 Yang Berhormat akan dapati bahawa salinan Tun Tan Siew Sin: The Honourable jawapan2 saya sudah ada dalam tangan Member, I do not think, has digested what I mereka. tried to say a few days ago in my Budget speech. In spite of the fact that our export Bagaimana jua pun, saya suka mene­ earnings have fallen-those on rubber and rangkan bahawa angka2 mengenai tin have fallen drastically-our reserves modal yang saya berikan ini, sa­ have gone up substantially. That is the panjang yang berkenaan sharikat2 reason why I said this policy has yielded asing, tidak berma 'ana langsong oleh tremendous dividends. I hope I will not be kerana ada-lah nyata bahawa hanya the Finance Minister on the day when we sa-bahagian kechil sahaja daripada introduce foreign exchange control in this modal-nya itu yang sa-benar-nya di­ country. gunakan di-Malaysia dan tidak mungkin bagi kita dapat mengetahui Tan Sri Syed Jaafar bin Hasan Albar: berapa-kah sa-benar-nya modal yang Soalan tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. di-gunakan di-sini itu oleh sebab Sunggoh pun tidak ada peratoran dan 2 2 rekod yang berkenaan tidak boleh di­ Undang foreign exchange yang akan di­ dapati. kenakan ka-atas orang2 yang hendak meng­ hantar wang ka-negara2 Commonwealth, (b) Mengenai soalan berapa banyak-kah tetapi boleh-kah atau ada-kah pada Kerajaan yang di-mileki oleh ra'ayat negeri rekod2 yang menunjokkan berapa banyak ini, saya dukachita tidak dapat mem­ wang kita yang keluar umpama-nya ka­ beri ma'lumat itu oleh kerana butir2 India, atau lain2 negeri Commonwealth, kera'ayatan atau kewarganegaraan rekod tentu ada, dan ini-lah yang hendak pemegang2 saham tidak ada di-Pejabat di-tanya oleh sahabat saya. Pendaftar Sharikat2 oleh kerana butir2 itu tidak-lah di-kehendaki oleh Jadual Tun Tan Siew Sin: (Dengan izin) Where Yang Ke-Lapan kapada Akta Commonwealth countries are concerned, the Sharikat2 1965 atau pun Akta Insuran records are incomplete for, as I have said 1963. before, there is no control whatsoever. Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: SHARIKAT INSURAN-BILANGAN Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Ada-kah Kerajaan berchadang hendak mem­ 9. Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus 2 minta Menteri Kewangan menyatakan: buat rekod tentang saham yang di-punyai oleh ra'ayat dalam Negeri ini dalam bidang (a) berapa buah-kah sharikat insuran yang insuran supaya Yang Berhormat Menteri ada di-negeri ini dan berapa modal-nya yang berkenaan dapat menerangkan kapada serta dari negara mana; dan Dewan apakala timbul suatu pertanyaan. 5329 10 JANUARI 1972 5330

Tun Tan Siew Sin: (Dengan izin) Tuan dan barang2 pertukangan tangan yang Yang di-Pertua, as the figures which have di-buat dari kayu. Sharikat ini juga been given by me indicate, they are not very akan lliembantu memberikan khidmat helpful because there is a vast difference kewangan, pemasaran dan latehan between authorised and issued or paid-up kapada perusahaan2 perengkat kechil capital and, therefore, it is not possible for dan menganjorkan aktiviti2 pertu­ me to give more information than that kangan tangan di-negeri2 pantai timor already given. di-Malaysia Barat; Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: (ii) Menyediakan perkhidmatan kewangan melalui' MIDF dan MARA untok Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa-kah pehak Kera­ 2 jaan ada membuat satu galakan kapada perusahaan perengkat kechil; ra 'ayat Malaysia mengambil chergas dalam (iii) Menuboh dan menganjorkan khidmat bidang perusahaan insuran ini dan meng­ perundingan perusahaan2 perengkat galakkan mereka menjalankan-nya dan kechil melalui' MIDF; menubohkan sharikat2 tersebut. (iv) Memberikan khidmat teknik dan Tun Tan Siew Sin: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, penasihat oleh FIDA kapada per­ we do everything we can to get more usahaan2 perengkat kechil; dan domestic participation in this business but it 2 should be remembered that we have a long (v) Mengadakan galakan tambahan bagi projek perusahaan2 yang di-dirikan di­ history of foreign domination of insurance 2 business in this country. You have got to take luar bandar dan di-"kawasan pem­ time; it is not so easy for Malaysian com­ bangunan". panies to replace these foreign companies in such a short space of time. Tuan Hashim bin Gera: Soalan tambahan. Ada-kah Kementerian Perdagangan dan Per­ PERUSAHAAN2 KECHIL LUAR indastrian membuat satu ranchangan BANDAR-MENGUKOHKAN mendirikan kilang membuat labu tanah dari­ pada tanah liat puteh di-negeri Perak kerana 10. Tuan Richard Ho Ung Hun minta Men­ perusahaan itu nampak-nya sedang maju teri Perdagangan dan Perindastrian menyata­ tetapi tidak mendapat bantuan daripada kan langkah2 yang sedang di-ambit untok Kerajaan. mengukohkan perusahaan2 kechil di-luar bandar sa-bagai penimbal kemerosotan harga Toan Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan getah. Speaker, saya mohon ma'af, saya tidak berapa dengar untok buat apa itu. Menteri Perdagangan dan Perindastrian (Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari): Tuan Tuan Hashim bin Gera: Tuan Yang di­ Speaker, Kerajaan telah menjalankan dasar Pertua, saya berkehendakkan jawapan tadi, mempelbagaikan ekonomi dalam usaha untok Yang Berhormat Menteri itu tidak terang. menstabilkan ekonomi negara yang sa-lama Saya terangkan sa-kali lagi. Dengar baik2. ini sangat2 bergantong kapada getah dan bijeh timah, yang harga-nya selalu turun Ada-kah Kementerian Perdagangan dan naik. Sesuai dengan dasar ekonomi baru, Perindastrian-Kerajaan Pusat ini berchita2 ada-lah dasar Kerajaan menggalakkan hendak mendirikan sa-buah kilang labu penubohan perusahaan lebeh2 lagi per­ tanah, satu perusahaan yang sangat mashhor usahaan kechil termasok perusahaan2 di-negeri Perak sedangkan perusahaan itu kampong di-kawasan2 luar bandar. Oleh itu sangat maju tetapi di-minta bantuan dari langkah2 yang positib telah di-ambil untok Kerajaan Perak tidak dapat. Minta daripada menggalakkan penubohan perusahaan kechil MARA pun tidak juga mendapat bantuan. termasok perusahaan kampong di-kawasan2 Itu dia saya tanya. luar bandar, saperti berikut: Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Ya. Sa-takat (i) Penubohan Sharikat Malaysia Batek yang saya tahu belum lagi saya menerima dan Handicraft Bhd. bagi memaju serta apa2 permintaan untok mendapat bantuan memasarkan barang2 keluaran per­ dan sa-kira-nya ada permintaan itu, saya usahaan2 perengkat kechil saperti beri pengakuan di-sini bahawa permohonan batek, kain sorigket, barang2 jahitan itu akan di-beri pertimbangan yang istimewa. 5331 10 JANUARI 1972 5332

Tuan Goh Hock Guan: (Dengan izin) Will Ahli Yang Berhormat bahawa tidak benar the Honourable Minister inform us, among bagi siapa mengatakan bahawa harga yang the cottage industries which have been set di-bayarkan oleh sharikat yang di-kelolakan up, how many of them are successful? oleh pehak Kerajaan itu membayar kurang daripada apa yang di-bayar oleh pekedai2 Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: (Dengan biasa. izin) Tuan Speaker, the batek industry that has been introduced or started by this Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: particular company is only concerned with Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka mendapat some batek products namely curtains, table tahu daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri and bedroom linen, furniture upholstery, Perdagangan dan Perindastrian apa-kah handbags, hats, etc. This particular factory usaha2 yang di-buat oleh Kementerian ter­ is in Selayang Bharu and so far on:ly 43 sebut untok melateh orang2 Melayu atau people are working in that factory. In pun bumiputra bagi dapat membuat perusa­ addition to this, this company has also haan2 kechil kerana sa-tahu saya kaum started an industry dealing with knitwear and bumiputra atau pun orang Melayu amat we find that this knitwear business is very berkurangan kepandaian untok membuat popular because it is labour-intensive. In perusahaan2 kechil kechuali membuat tikar fact for this particular business alone, this dan sa-bagai-nya sahaja? company is employing about 850 workers and this company is also going into hand­ Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Yang woven silk, wood carving and other forms di-Pertua, satu daripada tujuan kita meng­ of industry which will, I am sure, adakan sharikat ini ia-lah untok memberi be exportable. latehan praktik kapada kaum2 kita yang tinggal di-luar bandar dan untok penge­ Dato' Dr Haji Abdul Aziz bin Omar: tahuan Ahli Yang Berhormat ada satu Ada-kah Kementerian ini berchadang hendak pusat latehan yang di-kelolakan oleh menubohkan satu kilang batek di-Kelantan, sharikat tersebut di-Kuala Trengganu yang dan jikalau ada, bila? mengandongi lebeh kurang 40 orang dari­ pada Trengganu, 40 orang lagi daripada Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Sharikat ini Kelantan. Kita berharap hendak mendapat tidak ada chadangan hendak mendirikan 40 orang lagi daripada Pahang nanti dan kilang batek di-Kelantan dengan sebab kita mereka itu akan menjadi permulaan bagi takut barangkali ada salah faham mengata­ sharikat itu memberi Iatehan, latehan kan bahawa sharikat itu hendak berlumba berkenaan dengan knit-wear-tenon; tenon dengan kilang2 batek yang di-punyai oleh baju, wool dan sa-bagai-nya ia-itu di-sam­ kaum2 bumiputra di-sana. ping mereka itu mendengar radio mereka itu dapat membuat tenon dan ini semua akan Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Arshad: Tuan di-kumpulkan, akan di-jual dan juga akan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Dalam di-ekspot dan sa-bagaimana yang saya kata masaalah Kementerian ini mengatasi keme­ kan tadi tenonan ini ada-lah sangat labour rosotan harga getah Kementerian ini telah intensive, sangat memerlukan pekerja2 yang mendirikan banyak kilang2 heveacrumb banyak dan lebeh kurang 850 orang sa-chara dalam negeri ini tetapi telah menjadi satu langsong atau pun sa-chara tidak langsong sungutan kapada pekebun2 kechil bahawa yang bekerja mendapat pendapatan lebeh kilang getah heveacrumb ini membeli getah kurang $60 sampai $180 sa-bulan daripada harga-nya sangat murah daripada yang di­ ikhtiar yang di-buatkan oleh sharikat ini. beli oleh pekedai getah2 keping. Ada-kah Kementerian ini sentiasa memerhatikan pada Dato' Dr Haji Abdul Aziz bin Omar: hal getah keluaran heveacrumb itu di-kira Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. getah kelas satu, tetapi harga-nya sekarang Ada-kah Yang Berhormat Menteri yang murah daripada getah yang di-beli oleh berkenaan sedar bahawa beribu2 pikul getah pekedai2 kita sekarang. daripada negeri Kelantan, ada juga sa­ tengah2-nya daripada negeri Trengganu Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Yang telah di-seludupkan ka-negara tetangga kita. di-Pertua, sunggoh pun saya tidak lagi Dengan itu maka beberapa banyak kilang bertanggong-jawab di-atas perkara ini, tetapi getah di-Kelantan telah di-tutop dan beribu2 saya suka-lah hendak menyatakan kapada orang telah hilang pekerjaan mereka. Maka 5333 10 JANUARI 1972 5334 jikalau Yang Berhormat Menteri itu sedar, Tuan Mohamed bin Yaacob: Tuan Yang apa-kah langkah yang di-buat untok di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat menjawab menahan perkara ini? dahulu. Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Langkah Tuan Yang di-Pertua: (Kapada Tuan Haji sudah pun di-ambil untok menchegah kema­ Abdul Wahab bin Yunus) .Dia minta kete­ sokan haram getah2 daripada sempadan kita rangan sahaja. dan hasil daripada tindakan yang di-ambil itu bukan sahaja getah bahkan beras dan Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: juga lain2 barang pun tidak kurang di-selu­ Bagini, Tuan, Yang di-Pertua. Masaalah dup masok ka-negeri kita. pasaran itu ta' berapa timbul sebab kita ada perbadanan2 yang banyak, tambahan juga Dato' Dr Haji Abdul Aziz bin Omar: jikalau ta' ada orang lain yang hendak Getah itu bukan masok daripada negara memasarkan saya pun boleh menolong tetangga kita ka-Malaysia, kerana pasaran memasarkan barang itu. Jadi, itu saya di-sana lebeh baik daripada sini. Di-sana hendak minta jawab daripada Menteri tidak ada cess pool, di-sini ada cess pool. Perdagangan dan Perindastrian. Maka dengan sebab itu beribu2 pikul telah keluar daripada Malaysia ka-negeri itu. Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, hasil daripada galakan yang di­ Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Yang beri dan juga galakan dan bantuan yang di-Pertua, saya sebut dua2 sa-kali; yang ada di-berikan kapada orang Melayu sudah pun masok dan yang ada keluar. (Ketawa). ada sekarang ini orang Melayu yang mem­ buat mee boon umpama-nya. Dahulu belum ada lagi orang Melayu membuat mee hoon. Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yonus: 2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan saya yang saya Dalam uchapan saya baharu ini telah maksudkan tadi ia-lah lebeh jelas-nya mendesak orang Melayu di-kampong2 jangan-lah chuba hendak buat yang besar2 bagini: saya ingin mendapat pengetahuan sahaja. tetapi chuba mithal-nya buat taugeh. daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri yang 2 Berapa ramai-kah orang Melayu yang boleh berkenaan apa-kah usaha supaya orang buat taugeh? Saya harap Ahli Yang Melayu atau pun kaum bumiputra dapat Berhormat dari Dungun chuba buat taugeh membuat perusahaan kechil yang maseh (Ketawa). Saya guarantee pasaran-nya dan tidak di-buat oleh orang Melayu saperti saya boleh jual sa-ratus peratus. Macham membuat mee. membuat kilang ball pen mana yang saya sebutkan tadi tujuan yang kechil, sabun atau pun perkara2 yang sharikat itu ia-lah daripada satu tapak boleh di-buat dengan modal sadikit, bukan ka-satu tapak memberi latehan dalam apa erti-nya kilang batek atau pun bata rumah juga jenis perusahaan yang boleh memberi yang ada di-buat di-Pantai Timor. Tetapi tambahan pendapatan kapada orang2 kam­ yang tidak di-buat oleh kaum bumiputra dan pong kita. Jadi, kita ada banyak kayu-kayan itu di-beri latehan dengan melateh sa-orang di-kampong, tetapi kita tidak ada penge­ dua memasokki kilang2 atau pun sa-bagai­ tahuan hendak gunakan, hendak jadikan 2 nya. kayu itu barang yang boleh di-jual di-pasar. Jadi, kalau kita lihat mithal-nya di-Bali, Tuan Mohamed bin Yaacob: Tuan Yang di-Indonesia kayu2 itu di-gunakan, di-buat wood carving atau ukiran. Sebab wood di-Pertua, boleh-kah Ahli Yang Berhormat 2 itu memberitahu di-mana-kah pasaran sa­ carving itu siapa juga pelanchong yang kira-nya orang2 kampong buat perkara2 yang pergi ka-Bali itu mesti beli dan kita harap di-sebutkan tadi. Di-mana pasaran-nya? satu daripada tugas yang kita berikan kapada sharikat itu ia-lah untok memberi Kalau sa-kira-nya ball pen, boleh-kah Ahli Iatehan dalam hal wood carving supaya ini Yang Berhormat itu tahu di-mana orang2 akan menambahkan lagi kepandaian dan kampong ini boleh jual ball pen itu? kegunaan tangan bagi orang2 kampong dan juga di-samping itu memberi pendapatan Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus: yang lebeh kapada mereka itu. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-kah saya di­ kehendakki menjawab dahulu .atau pun Tan Sri Syed Nasir bin Ismail: Tuan Yang Yang Berhormat Menteri menjawab dahulu? di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Tadi Yang 53'35 10 JANUARI 1972 5336

Berhormat Menteri m~ngata.kan chuba per­ menanam kelapa sawit di-Bahagian Kelima, usahaan2 yang kech1l, ttdak-kah Yang Sarawak sebab belia2 banyak yang tidak ada Berhormat Menteri bersetuju dengan saya pekerjaan kerana kejatohan harga getah? bahawa pehak bumiputra sudah puas ber­ niaga chara berkechil2, tidak-kah patut dan Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Itu saya sampai masa-nya mereka chuba chara akan sampaikan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, besar2an pula. kapada pehak yang berkenaan kerana sekarang ini saya tidak bertanggong-jawab Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Yang lagi di-atas perkara itu. di-Pertua, saya berchakap tadi berhubong dengan orang2 kampong kita. Kalau PEMECHAHAN KESATUAN2 SEKERJA macham Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, sa-orang yang sudah bagitu terkenal, saya suka per­ 11. Tuan Richard Bo Ung Bon (di-bawah 2 S.O. 24 (2)) minta Menteri Buroh dan Tenaga kara yang besar itu (Ketawa). Ra 'ayat menyatakan jumlah kesatuan2 se­ Tan Sri Syed Nasir bin Ismail: Tuan Yang kerja kebangsaan (National Trade Unions) di-Pertua, maksud saya ini di-kampong-lah, yang telah di-pechahkan menjadi kesatuan2 kechil dan/atau kesatuan2 negeri akibat dan tidak-kah sampai masa-nya pehak orang 2 kampong di-galakkan bemiaga sa-chara undang buroh yang baru yang di-kuat­ besar2an. Kalau tidak boleh dengan sa-chara kuasakan pada bulan Oktober 1969. bersaorangan mungkin-kah dengan sa-chara Menteri Buroh dan Tenaga Ra'ayat (Tan bersharikat? Sri V. Manickavasagam): Tuan Yang di­ Pertua, tiada ada satu pun. Tuan Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu sudah pun di-buat, mithal-nya Tuan V. David: (Dengan izin) I don't think kita tengok kilang ubi kayu di-Kuantan, that is a fact, especially the N.U.L.A.E. was yang di-selenggarakan oleh pehak MARA. splitted into many parts and there are also Kita berharap dengan galakan daripada other unions which have been restricted sharikat yang di-dirikan itu nanti banyak under the new law. So, the question asked for lagi sharikat kilang ubi kayu akan di-dirikan is how many unions were affected by this and dan ini berma'ana ia-lah perusahaan orang I would be pleased if the Minister would say kampong atau pun ra'ayat jelata kita sendiri. the number of unions affected under this new law. Tuan Abu Dakar bin Umar: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Ada-kah Yang Tan Sri V. Manickavasagam: (Dengan Berhormat Menteri Perdagangan berfikir izin) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I say in this akan mendirikan sa-buah kilang atau pun august body, with your permission, Sir, that satu apa juga perusahaan berkenaan dengan no union has been fragmented as ·of today. jerami padi untok menambahkan pen­ dapatan peladang2 yang membuat padi, Tuan V. David: (Dengan izin) The lebeh2 lagi di-kawasan Muda di-negeri employees of the MARA companies who Kedah? were members of the Transport Workers' Union were asked to be removed from the Toan Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Yang Membership Register under the new law. di-Pertua, penyiasatan sudah pun di-buat How do you explain this? berkenaan kegunaan jerami itu dan kita berharap hasil daripada ini akan di-tuboh­ Tan Sri V. Manickavasagam: Sir, there kan satu sharikat yang besar untok menge­ are certain companies-I am aware like that of the MARA Transport which derives luarkan paper dan pulp dan ini di-jangka certain funds from Government and as such akan memakan belanja lebeh kurang $100 they come within the statutory provisions as juta dan ini sa-benar-nya akan menjadi laid down for statutory bodies. perusahaan orang2 kampong kita dan juga kaum2 tani kita. Tuan Goh Hock Guan: (Dengan izin) Sir, is the Minister happy with the present state Toan Awang Bongsu bin Abdullah: Soalan of the Unions in this country-the way in tambahan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Ada-kah which so many peanut unions are being Yang Berhormat Menteri yang berkenaan formed in Malaysia as a result of the berchadang untok mengadakan perusahaan Minister's labour laws? 5337 10 JANUARI 1972 5338 Tan Sri V. Manickavasagam: Sir. there are (c) Ranchangan2 Sharikat2 Kerjasama no peanut unions. There are a number of Luar Bandar yang akan di-jalankan National Unions. di-bawah Ranchangan Lima Tahun Malaysia Kedua ada-lah saperti yang SHARIKAT2 KERJASAMA LUAR di-turunkan di-bawah ini: BANDAR Kredit- 12. Raja Nong Chik bin Raja Ishak ber­ Kerajaan ada menyiapkan wang tanya kapada Menteri Pembangunan Negara lebeh daripada $200 juta melalui dan Luar Bandar, memandang bahawa badan2 berkanun di-mana sharikat Sharikat2 kerjasama di-kawasan2 luar kerjasama boleh mendapatkan pin­ bandar sa-lepas 14 tahun merdeka maseh jaman daripada-nya. lagi di-dalam keadaan "hidup segan mati Memperoses- ta' mahu": Bilangan kilang padi kechil akan (a) sama ada Kementerian berpendapat di-tambah menjadi 478 dan 4 lagi bahawa sharikat2 kerjasama di-luar kilang padi besar akan di-bena. bandar boleh membela orang2 kampong Pemasaran- daripada di-tindas oleh orang2 tengah; Penyertaan Sharikat2 dalam pema­ (b) apa-kah kejayaan2 yang telah di­ 2 saran bahan pengeluaran pertanian chapai oleh sharikat kerjasama di­ akan meliputi 15 juta pikul padi, luar bandar dalam bidang perusahaan 6.9 juta pikul ikan, 3.1 juta pikul dan dalam usaha mengubah nasib nenas, dan 2.5 juta pikul getah. ra 'ayat luar bandar sa-lepas Malaysia mendapat kemerdekaan; dan Pembekalan pengguna- (c) apa-kah ranchangan2 yang akan di­ 96 buah kedai akan di-tubohkan, jalankan oleh Kementerian bagi shari­ kebanyakan-nya di-luar bandar. kat2 kerjasama luar bandar di-bawah Kenderaan- Ranchangan Lima Tahun Malaysia Kedua. Sharikat2 Kenderaan akan menam­ bah bilangan kenderaan ia-itu 77 Menteri Pembangunan Negara clan Luar buah teksi, 28 buah bas. dan 45 Bandar (Tuan Abdul Ghafar bin Baba): buah lori. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Projek Sharikat Perindastrian­ (a) Sharikat Kerjasama ada-lah alat yang Komplex Perindastrian di-Ladang penting, yang berkesan yang boleh Brown yang mengeluarkan in­ menolong ra'ayat melepaskan diri sulating tapes dan hardware. Per­ mereka daripada chengkaman orang usahaan kelapa kering. 2 lagi tengah dan juga untok men~long mem­ kilang ayer batu di-Kuala Treng­ baiki ekonomi diri mereka masing2. ganu dan Dungun ada-lah di­ Sama ada sharikat itu maju atau tidak antara ranchangan2 yang akan di­ terpulang kapada ahli2 sharikat itu jalankan oleh co-operative sa-pan­ sendiri bertanggong-jawab di-atas-nya. jang yang di-ketahui oleh Jabatan Kerajaan hanya memberikan galakan. Co-operative pada hari ini. sokongan dan juga mengawasi per­ jalanan sharikat itu. RANCHANGAN2 KAWASAN (b) Kejayaan2 yang telah di-chapai oleh PENEMPATAN BERAMAF Sharikat2 Kerjasama di-luar bandar dalam sektor perindastrian ia-lah 13. Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya mengadakan 438 kilang padi kechil, 3 kapada Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan kilang padi besar, 2 kilang ayer batu, Luar Bandar berapa tanah ranchangan2 1 kilang yang mengeluarkan tuak Kawasan Penempatan Beramai2 yang telah dalam botol dan 1 kilang kimia (agro­ di-ambil aleh oleh Lembaga Pemulehan dan chemical) dalam perusahaan joint Penyatuan Tanah Negara yang rosak akibat venture dengan pehak swasta dan 39 (a) terbakar; (b) ribut taufan; (c) banjir dan sharikat kenderaan yang menjalankan berapa jumlah kerugian yang di-tanggong 300 buah kereta berenjin. oleh peserta2. 5339 10 JANUARI 1972 5340

Tuan. Abdul Gha,ar bin. B~ba: Tuan Yang reka2 yang akan memohon kerja ini. Jika di-Pertua, tidak benar, apa-kah sebab-nya kelewatan (a) 2. ini? (b) Tiada. Dato' ~aji Abdul Ghani Gilong: Tuan (c) :1. Yang· di-Pertua; memang benar' satu dari­ Dan jumlah kerugian $209,015.03. pada sebab kelambatan ini ia-lah keku­ rangan pekerja terutama sa-kali engineer dan Tuan Haji Alunad bin Anhad: Tuan Yang lain2 pekerja jawatan • tinggi dan segala di-Pertua, kerugian yang di-sebutkan oleh usaha ada-lah kita sedang buat untok meng­ Yang Berhormat Menteri tadi, ada-kah ke­ atasi masaalah ini. rugian itu di-tanggong kapada peserta2-nya, atau pun kapada Lembaga ini. Tuan Peter Paul Dason: (Dengan izin) Since the Minister agrees that this project is Tuan Abdul Ghafar bin Baba: Tuan Yang of great importance to the States of Kelantan di-Pertua, perkara ini belum di-putus­ and Penang, why has there been such great kan lagi. delay and why no priority has been given to this project? Is it because that the State of JALAN RAYA PANTAI TIMOR­ Kelantan is under the control of Party PAS? BARAT-PEMBENAAN Dato' Haji Abdul Ghani Gilong: Tuan 14. Tuan Peter Paul Dason minta Menteri Yang di-Pertua, bukan-lah di-sebabkan jalan Kerja Raya dan Tenaga menyatakan itu berada di-Kelantan yang menjadi kemajuan berkenaan dengan pembenaan kelambatan-nya, tetapi sa-bagaimana yang Jalan Raya Pantai Timor dan Pantai Barat saya terangkan tadi, ia-lah di-sebabkan bebe­ di-Malaysia Barat serta bila-kah di-jangka rapa sebab saperti kekurangan kakitangan jalan ini akan siap .. dan juga di-sebabkan kita hanya mengambil keputusan untok membena jalan raya ini Menteri Kerja Raya dan Tenaga (Dato' dalam tahun 1970 dan kita ada-lah memula­ Haji Abdul Ghani Gilong): Tuan Yang kan untok membuat design dan sa-bagai-nya di-Pertua, daripada 75 batu jalan yang dan juga menyediakan segala perkakas2 yang akan di-bena, 40 batu telah di-rekabentok, perlu kita gunakan di-situ. Itu-lah sebab dan pembenaan sedang di-jalankan di-atas pembenaa.n-nya · tedambat, tetapi ~­ sa-bahagian yang panjang-nya 10 batu. bagaimaria yang ·saya terangkan tadi segala Kemah2 di-bahagian barat dan timor telah usaha kita akan buat untok memperchepat pun siap dan di-dudoki oleh pekerja2. Kaki­ lagi pembenaan jalan raya itu. tangan bagi melaksanakan projek ini telah di-tambah beransor2 dan ada-lah di-harap Tuan Goh Hock Guan: (Dengan izin) mendapat memenohi segala jawatan pada What steps is the Minister taking to overcome pert.engah<µi 1972. Projek ini ada-lah di­ this shortage of kakitangan so that he could jangka siap pada akhir 1976. speed up the construction of this important Highway? Tuan Peter Paul D~on: (Dengan izin) Would the Minister agree that this project, Dato' Haji Abdul Ghani Gilong: Tuan more than any other project, can help in the Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian saya telah economic development of the States of mengambil beberapa tindakan untok Kelantan and Penang in particular? mengatasi masaalah ini. Pertama-nya ia-lah mengambil jurutera2 awam dari luar negeri. Dato' Haji Abdul Ghani Gilong: Tuan lklan2 telah pun di-siarkan di-Ceylon, India, Yang di-Pequa, kita memang-lah setujukan Philipina. dan Korea dan sa-takat ini sebab itu-lah kita bena jalan raya itu. temuduga2 telah di-jalankan di-India, Ceylon dan Philipina. Bagi negeri Ceylon 6 Dato' Dr Haji Abdul Aziz bin Omar: perlantekan telah di-buat ia-itu 4 Soalan tambahan. Ada-kah benar bahawa bagi jawatan jurutera awam dan 2 bagi kelewatari menyiapkan jalan raya itu ada­ jawatan akitek. Waiau bagaimana pun hanya lah kerana k~urangan pekerja? Jika benar dua chalun sahaja yang telah menerima boleh-kah Yang Berhormat Menteri itu tawaran jawatan sa-bagai jurutera awam. memberi jaminan pekerjaan kapada me- Satu daripada-nya t~lah tiba di-Malaysia 5341 10 JANUARI 1972 5342 pacla awal bulan J anuari dan satu lagi pada Menteri Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sokan pertengahan bulan ini. Bagi negeri India 5 (Dato' Haai~ bin Dato' Abu Samah): perlantekan telah di-buat ia-itu 4 bagi Jemputan2 ka-Pertandingan Pesta Bola jawatan Jurutera Awam · dan satu bagi Sepak Merdeka hanya boleh di-buat oleh jawatan akitek. Persatuan Bola Sepak Malaysia clan bukan Kementerian ini maseh menunggu jawapan oleh pehak Kerajaan. daripada chalun2 yang telah di·pileh itu. (Dengan izin) Invitations to participate in Di-Philipina pula 14 tawaran jawatan telah the Merdeka Tournament are made by the di-keluarkan bagi jawatan jurutera awam. Football Association of Malaysia and not Sa-lain· claripada langkah2 itu Kementerian by. the Government. ini telah pun membuat permintaan untok mendapatkan jurutera2 awam di-bawah PINJAMAN BUKlP TEKS- Ranchangan Bantuan Teknik daripacla PERUNTOKAN United Kingdom dl;Ul Canada. 18. Tuan Mustapha bin Hussain bertanya ':fuan Yang di-Pertua: Masa sudah chukop. kapada Menteri Pelajaran dapat-kah di-buat 2 2 peruntokan bagi memberi pinjaman buku (Masa untok Pertanyaan bagi Jawab teks terus . menerus . tiap2 tahun kapada 2 Mulut telah chukop dan Jawapan Lisan bagi murid~ dan pelajar2 yang miskin clan. bukan Pertanyaan2 No. 15 hingga 22 ada·lah di­ pinjaman untok waktu menghadziri kuliah beri di-bawah ini.) sahaja. HOSPITAL BAHARU SITIAWAN Menteri Pelajaran (Tuan Hussein hilt 15. Tuan Richard Ho Ung Hun · minta Dato'' Ono): Pinjaman yang di-buat sekarang Menteri Kesihatan menyatakan bila Hospital ada-lah · bagi satu2 tahun dan bukan untok Baharu untok Sitiawan akan di-dirikan waktu menghadhiri kuliah sahaja. saperti yang di-nyatakan dalam Ranchangan Malaysia Yang Kedua. BAHASA PENGANTAR BAHASA MALAYSIA ATAU INGGERIS Menteri Kesibatan (Tuiµa Lee Siok Yew): Pembenaan bangtinan Hospital Baharu di­ 19. Dr Cl1en Man Hin minta Menteri Sitiawan itu di-jadualkan bermula dalam Pelajaran memulakan sekolah2 menengah tahun 1974. yang menampong pelajar2 dari Sekolah Rendah aliran China di-mana mata.2 DOKTOR2-LAWATAN KA-CIDNA pelajaran di-ajar di-dalaln Bahasa Malaysia clan Mandarin. 16. Tuan Hor Cheok Foon minta Menteri Kesihatan menyatakan sama acla beliau ber­ Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Ono: Tidak:. chadang untok mengadakan suatu rombongan kerana penyata Rahman ·Talib, yang telah doktor2 melawat Republik Ra'ayat China di-terima oleh Dewan ini menyatakan untok mengkaji kemajuan perubatan China. bahawa Sekolah2 menengah bantuan penoh akan hanya mempunyai bahasa pengantar Tuan Lee Siok YeW: Tidak. Saya tidak Bahasa Malaysia atau Bahasa Inggeris, walau berchadang untok mengaclakan satu rom­ pun acla peruntokan untok pengajian bongan doktor2 untok melawat Republik bahasa2 asing. Ra'ayat China untok mengkaji kemajuan perubatan China. SENIOR MIDDLE 111-PEPEREKSAAN PERTANDINGAN PESTA BOLA 20. Dr Chen Man Hin minta Menteri Pe­ SEPAK MERDEKA--JEMPUTAN lajaran memulakan semula pepereksaan Government Senior Middle III sufaya ia-nya 17. Toan Hor Cheok Foon minta Menteri clapat mengeluarkan sa-chukup bilangan Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sokan menyatakan guru2 Bahasa China supaya clapat sama acla beliau berchadang untok men­ menampong kehendak Sekolah2 Renclah jemput Pasokan · Bola Sepak Republik Jenis Kebangsaan (China). Ra'ayat China untok mengambil bahagian clalam Pertan9ingan Bola Sepak Merdeka Tua11 Hqs~in bin Dato' Ono: Perkara ini Tahun 1972. ielah di-kemukakan oleh Surohanjaya Aziz 5344 5343 10 JANUARI 1972 ia-itu Kerajaan patut mengkaji kemungkinan (Dengan izin) Not all the Malayan memulakan semula pepereksaan Government currency issued by the Board of Commis­ Senior Middle III. Shor ini ada-lah di-dalam sioners of Currency, Malaya and British kajian Kerajaan. Borneo, has been fully redeemed. Bank Negara Malaysia will continue to WANG LAMA TANAH MELAYU redeem Malayan currency until the winding up of the Board, when funds will be set 21. Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya aside for the continued redemption of kapada Menteri Kewangan ada-kah lagi Malayan currency by the Principal Agent wang lama Tanah Melayu keluaran Lembaga of the Board, namely, the Crown Agents for Pesurohjaya2 mata wang Tanah Melayu dan Oversea Governments and Administrations. Borneo British yang maseh belum di-tukar To obviate the inconvenience of having to kapada mata wang yang baharu; dan jika despatch such currency to London for ya: redemption, the Crown Agents will be requested to appoint one of the monetary (a) berapa jumlah-nya; dan authorities of the three participating Govern­ (b) benar-kah Bank Negara berchadang ments of Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei as tidak mahu menerima-nya lagi dan, a Domestic Agent to undertake the redemp­ jika ya, tidak-kah ini merugikan negara. tion of Malayan currency after the Board's liquidation. Tun Tan Siew Sin: Tidak semua mata Any Malayan currency unredeemed is not wang Tanah Melayu yang di-keluarkan oleh a loss to the nation but to the holders of Lembaga Pesurohjaya2 mata wang, Malaya the currency, since the foreign exchange dan British Borneo telah di-tebus sa-penoh­ covering such currency will be available for nya. distribution to the Participating Governments. In the circumstances, members of the public Bank Negara Malaysia akan terus menebus who are still in possession of old Malayan mata wang Malaya sa-hingga Lembaga ini currency are urged to redeem such currency di-bubarkan, apabila satu kumpulan wang at any branch of Bank Negara or at any akan di-khaskan untok terus menebus mata commercial bank as early as possible in order wang Malaya oleh Wakil Utama Lembaga, to avoid loss to themselves. ia-itu "Crown Agents for Oversea Govern­ RINGGIT MALAYSIA-KADAR ments and Administrations". Untok menge­ PERTUKARAN lakkan sa-barang kesulitan yang timbul jika mata wang Malaya di-hantar ka-London 22. Tuan Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus untok di-tebus, pehak Crown Agents akan minta Menteri Kewangan menyatakan apa­ di-minta melantek salah sa-buah daripada kah kesan yang di-rasai oleh Malaysia lembaga2 kewangan tiga Kerajaan Negeri2 berthabit dengan pengumuman Presiden Peserta ia-itu Malaysia, Singapura dan Nixon bahawa Amerika menggantongkan Brunei sa-bagai Wakil Tempatan bagi men­ jaminan-nya untok menukarkan ringgit jalankan kerja menebus mata wang Malaya Amerika pada bulan Ogos, 1971. sa-lepas pembubaran Lembaga. Tun Tan Siew Sin: Malaysia menerima kesan dari perkembangan kewangan tersebut Mata wang Malaya yang belum di-tebus sa-takat mana harga barang2 impot dari tidak-lah merupakan kerugian kapada negara negara2 yang mata wang-nya di-naikkan tetapi hanya merupakan kerugian kapada nilai-nya berbanding dengan nilai wang pemilek2-nya sahaja oleh kerana pertukaran Malaysia. Ini terjadi terutama-nya bagi wang asing (foreign exchange) yang harga2 jentera dan alat2 yang di-perlukan menyokong mata wang itu akan dapat di­ untok melaksanakan Ranchangan Malaysia bahagi di-antara Kerajaan2 peserta. Oleh Kedua. Untok mengatasi keadaan demikian, yang demikian, orang ramai yang maseh Kerajaan Malaysia memutuskan untok mem­ memileki mata wang Malaya lama ada-lah pertahankan kadar pertukaran wang sekarang di-seru supaya menukarkan-nya dengan sa­ bagi ringgit Malaysia dalam hubongan-nya berapa segera di-mana2 chawangan Bank dengan pound sterling, mata wang champor­ Negara atau bank perdagangan untok menge­ tangan rasmi (the official intervention lakkan kerugian kapada mereka sendiri. currency) yang telah naik nilai-nya sa-chara 5345 10 JANUARI 1972 5346 sederhana berbanding dengan ringgit tahun yang lalu. Dalam tempoh tersebut Amerika-dengan kira2 4%. Dengan demi­ usaha2 yang telah di-jalankan oleh-nya patut kian ringgit Malaysia naik nilai-nya sa­ di-beri pujian tinggi, kerana dari usaha2 yang banyak itu berbanding dengan nilai ringgit di-jalankan dengan bersunggoh2 itu, Dewan Amerika. Bahasa banyak mengeluarkan hasil kajian­ (Dengan izin) Malaysia is affected by these nya untok tatapan umum. Beberapa banyak monetary developments in so far as the istilah baharu dalam berbagai jurusan telah prices of imports from those countries whose terchipta. Pendek kata usaha yang telah di­ currencies have been revalued are pushed jalankan itu patut di-beri pujian tinggi. Tugas upwards in terms of Malaysian dollars. This yang di-pikul oleh Dewan Bahasa terutama­ applies especially to the prices of machinery nya pada mula penubohan Dewan ini, di­ and equipment which are needed for the bawah Pengarah-nya Yang Berhormat Tan implementation of the Second Malaysia Plan. Sri Syed Nasir amat-lah berat, di-mana To counter these influences to a certain usaha-nya bukan sahaja di-tumpukan ka­ extent, the Malaysian Government decided dalam bagi menchipta istilah2, mengeluarkan to maintain the existing exchange rate of the buku2, menterjemah dan sa-bagai-nya, tetapi Malaysian dollar in relation to the pound juga usaha keluar di-jalankan juga dengan sterling, the official intervention currency. mengadakan Minggu2 dan Bulan Bahasa which has appreciated moderately vis-a-vis Kebangsaan. Maka saya perchaya pada masa the U.S. dollar-by about 4%-so that the ini, di-mana pegawai2 di-perengkat tinggi-nya Malaysian dollar has appreciated to the di-tambah dengan berlipatganda dengan same extent in terms of the U.S. dollar. mempunyai beberapa orang Pengarah dan pegawai2 yang lain. Usaha2 yang lebeh pesat RANG UNDANG2 dalam berbagai jurusan dapat di-selenggara­ kan dengan lebeh mudah banyak dan pesat RANG UNDANG2 DEWAN BAHASA lagi. DAN PUSTAKA (PINDAAN) (No. 2) (PINDAAN) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau kita tinjau Bachaan Kali Yang Kedua dan Ketiga perkembangan Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka dalam tempoh yang tersebut di-mana banyak Menteri Pelajaran (Tuan Hussein bin Dato' bahagian2 telah di-tubohkan dan pegawai2 Ono): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon baharu di-tambah maka kita akan terdapat menchadangkan ia-itu satu Akta meminda satu bahagian yang terpenting tidak di-beri Akta Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka (Pindaan) perhatian berat hingga hari ini, bahkan belum (No. 2) tahun 1971 di-bacha kali kedua pun di-adakan lagi ia-itu bahagian penyeli­ sekarang. dekan dan kemajuan kebudayaan Islam. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tujuan Rang Un­ Hingga hari ini Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka dang2 ini pendek sahaja ia-itu hendak me­ hanya mempunyai sa-orang pengarang nguatkuasakan pindaan yang di-perbuat bahasa Arab dan penolong-nya di-lantek dahulu berkenaan dengan Constitution Ahli2 dalam tahun 1969. Padahal bahagian ini Dewan itu supaya membolehkan perlantekan pada pendapat saya merupakan satu jurusan Ahli2 baharu di-buat bagi menggantikan yang terpenting dalam negara kita, kerana Ahli2 lama yang telah tamat perkhidmatan kita mempunyai Fakulti Islam di-Universiti mereka pada 31-7-71. Kebangsaan, kita mempunyai bahagian pe­ Dato' Abdul Samad bin Idris: Tuan Yang ngajian Islam di-Universiti Malaya dan juga di-Pertua, saya mohon menyokong usul ini. menggunakan pelajaran .Islam dalam sekolah Wan Mokhtar bin Ahmad (Kemaman): rendah dan menengah dan semua pusat pe­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam menyokong ngajian tinggi akan menggunakan Bahasa Rang Undang2 Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka Kebangsaan manakala sampai tempoh-nya yang telah di-bentangkan di-Dewan ini, saya kelak.· Oleh itu, apa-kah persediaan yang suka menarek perhatian Yang Berhormat telah di-buat oleh pehak Kerajaan, khas-nya Menteri yang berkenaan, beberapa perkara Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka bagi menyelidek, yang saya rasa perlu di-kemukakan bagi ke­ menterjemah buku2 ilmiah dalam jurusan sempurnaan Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, dan tersebut. Sa-takat ini, saya tidak nampak per­ keperluan pelajaran di-negara kita ini. Sa­ sediaan2 itu di-buat oleh Dewan Bahasa dan bagaimana di-ketahw Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, kerana menurut ranchangan yang Pustaka telah di-tubohkan lebeh kurang 10 baharu di-susun bagi perlaksanaan 1972 dan 5347 10 J ANUARI 1972 5348 1973 sa"bagaimana yang temyata dalam Pe­ kan bayaran2 yang mahal yang terpaksa nyata Tahun 1970 tidak terdapat bahagian di-bayar manakala terdesak kelak. Dan de­ yang saya bangkitkan di-atas tadi. Oleh itu, rtgan ini dapat-lah di-selenggarakan perk.am saya berharap clan mengshorkan satu ran­ yang sa-umpama ini dengan segera. changan baharu ia-itu bahagian penyelidekan Sekian-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya clan perkembangan kebudayaan Islam bagi Ihertyokong Rang Undang2 ini. perlaksanaan tahun 19n/ 1973 di-tubohkan clan di-tambah pegawai2 yang berkebolehan Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Onn: Tuan Yang clalam jurusan tersebut dengan Dewan men­ di-Pertua, saya menguchapkan berbanyak jalankan usaha yang berlipatganda sa-bagai­ terima kaseh kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat mana yang telah di-jalankan dalam bahagian2 yang menyokong Rang Undang2 ini. Pan­ lain. Dan saya shorkan supaya pegawai pe­ clangan2, shor2 dan tegoran2 yang baik itu nyelidekan yang ada di-Masjid Negara dan ada saya ambil perhatian dan sa-kali lagi Jabatan Hal Ehwal Ugama Islam Pusat saya menguchapkan terima kaseh. dapat di-satukan, dan di-pusatkan di­ bahagian penyelidekan dan perketnbangan Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, clan di­ kebudayaan Islam di-Dewan Bahasa dan setujukan. Pustaka. Rang Undang2 di-bachakan kali yang ke­ dua dan di-serahkan kapada Dewan sa-bagai Soal yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Jawatan-kuasa. pada masa ini Dewan· Bahasa dan Pustaka rttemberi potongan discount di-antara 15 Dewan bersidang sa-bagai Jawatan-kuasa. bingga 25 peratus buku2 pengeluaran-nya Rang Undang2 di-timbangkan clalam kapada wakil2 dan sharikat perniagaan dan J awatan-kuasa. · kapada pertuboban2 atau badan2 kebajikan (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan saperti pusat kebajikan claerah yang menge­ meshuarat lawatan-kuasa) 2 lolakan pinjaman buku kapada murid Fasal 1 dan 2 di-perentahkan menjadi rttiskin tidak di-beri potongan yang sama. sa-bahagian daripada Rang Undang2. Padahal wang yang di-gunakan .untok mem­ 2 beli buku2 tersebut acla-lah kutipan dari Rang Undang di-laporkan dengan ticlak orang2 ramai clan basil pungutan malam2 acla pinclaan: di-bachakan kali yang ketiga amal yang di-adakan oleh badan2 yang sa­ dan di-luluskan. umpama ini. Kalau-lah pehak Majlis Banda­ ran dapat mengechualikan chuk:ai ka-atas RANG UNDANG2 PELAJARAN tik:et2 jualan kerana tujuan kebajikan, (PINDAAN) ~enapa-kah tidak dapat Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka memberi potongan dalal sa-bagai­ Tuan llUssein bin Dato' Onn: Tuan Yang mana yang pemah di-beri kapada sharikat2 di-Pertua, saya mohon menchaclangkan pemiagaan. OJeh itu, saya berharap pehak supaya satu Rang Undang2· bemama "Suatu Dewan Bahasa clan Pustaka, khas-nya baha­ Aba bagi meminda Akta Pelajaran, 1961, gian pemiagaan dapat menimbangkan per­ antara lain untok membuat peruntokan bagi kara ini. menubohkan Lembaga Pusat dan menggulong lembaga2 pengurus dan lembaga2 pengelola Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal yang akhir ia­ bagi sekolah2 bantuan penoh bagi menguat­ lah mengenai' perchetakan. Baharu2 ini Ketua kuasakan beberapa shor Surohanjaya di-Raja Pengarah Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka telah mengenai' Perkhidmatan Guru2 di-Malaysia membuat kenyataan dalam akhbar tempatan Barat" di-bacha buat kali yang kedua. menyatakan bahawa tidak lama lagi Dewan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah perlu bagi Bahasa clan Pustaka akan mempunyai' per­ saya menerangkan latar belakang Rang Un­ chetakan sendiri bagi menchetak buku2 pe­ da:ng2 ini sa-chara rengkas. Pacla bulan April, ngeluaran-nya. Oleh itu, saya berharap 2 1967, sa-buah Surohanjaya yang di-kenali mesen perchetakan yang akan di-beli kelak sa-bagai "Surohanjaya di-Raja mengenai akan termasok juga mesen2 chetakan jawi, 2 kerana pada masa ini mesen perchetakan Perkhidmatan Guru Malaysia Barat" telah yang sa-umpama itu amat kurang sa-kali di­ di-tubohkan dan di-beri kuasa untok menyia­ negara kita, sa-lain daripada perchetakan sat, antara lain : Qalam dan Utusan Melayu: Dengan ada-nya (i) tangga2 gaji clan sharat2 perkhidmatan perchetakan sendiri kelak clapat-lah di-elak- perguruan di-Malaysia Barat; 5349 10 JANUARI 1972 5350 (ii) susunan perkhidmatan2 guru sekarang gaji dan sharat2 perkhidniatan saperti ini; dan yang telah di-persetujui oleh Kerajaan dan ini memerlukan, antara lain: · (iii) sistem lembaga pengurus dan pengelola sekolah2 yang ada sekarang; . (i) penubohan sa-buah Lembaga Pusat; dan membuat shor2 terhadap-nya. (ii) penggulongan Lemhaga2 Penge­ Laporan Surohanjaya itu, yang di-kenali lola dan Lembaga2 Pengurus umum sa-bagai "Laporan Aziz", telah siap yang ada sekarang di-sekolah2 pada bulan Oktober, 1968. Waiau bagaimana dan yayasan barttuan penoh; dan pun, memandang kapada beberapa , rayuan (iii) pemansohan Perkhidmatan Guru2 yang telah di-terima dan pandangari2 yang 2 ·yang di-Persatukan (UTS) dan telah di-buat oleh pehak yang berminat, Majlis Kebangsaan Bersanta bagi Kerajaan telah menanggohkan pettinibangan 2 ka-atas laporan itu. dan menghidupkan · sa­ Guru ; dan mula Surohanjaya tersebut pada bulan (b) membuat peruntokan untok membo­ Januari, 1970, untok mengkaji sa;mula segala lehkan Menteri · membuat peratoran2 shor2-nya, dengan mengambil perhatian 2 berhubong

------5375 10 JANUARI 1972 5376 convert all National-type primary schools of That will be a powerful instrument to reduce the English. Chinese and Tamil media into and intimidate any teacher who dares to National primary schools, where the sole oppose or protest any conversion move. medium will be Bahasa Malaysia. Furthermore, the present independent legal This is why the i961 Education Act gave character of the respective Boards of full powers to the Minister of Education to Management will be another obstacle in the convert all National-type primary schools quiet conversion of all Chinese schools into into National primary schools with. a stroke . National primary schools. of the pen. Clause 21 (2) of the 1961 Educa­ With the introduction of this Bill and the tion Act reads: abolition of the Boards of Management, the "Where at any time the Minister is Government would be able to carry out satisfied that a National-type primary conversion of the Chinese schools more school may suitably be converted into a unobstrusively and subtly, without attracting National primary school, he may by order so much public agitation, indignation and direct that the school shall become a protest. National primary school.'' This is why teachers themselves are against The Minister of Education has started the Bill for, although they are fighting for converting all National-type (English) emplacement on more just salary scales primary schools into National primary under the Aziz recommendations, they know schools, and this conversion will be completed that what they may get will be temporary in three years' time, in 1975. benefits only. If in a few years' time their The question the public and the Chinese schools are converted into National primary educational circles are worried about is when schools and they become redundant, then the Minister of Education will "by order they will be out in the streets to join the direct that National-type (Chinese) primary ranks of the army of our unemployed in schools shall become National primary Malaysia. schools". The conversion of Chinese primary Mr. Speaker, Sir, in the last three years, schools into National primary schools there had been a phenomenal increase in the presents a more complicated technical enrolment of primary students in Chinese problem than the conversion of English primary schools. The Minister of Education, primary schools. I am sure, can testify to that. What is the If the Government should decide to convert cause of this? There are many reasons, but Chinese primary schools into National I will give two here. Firstly, many parents primary schools, it will have to collide who had registered their children in National­ headlong with two groups of people creating type (English) primary schools have switched public dissatisfaction, indignation and their children to Chinese primary schools protest. These two groups are the present because of the implementation of the Boards of Management and the Chinese National Education Policy of the Govern­ school teachers. The Chinese school teachers ment to convert English primary schools into are at present employed by the respective National primary schools. The second reason Boards of Management and are not transfer­ is that the implementation of the National able or directable by the Government. If the Education Policy by the Alliance is so ill­ Government converts the Chinese primary conceived and badly executed that the schools into National primary schools, these educational standards of the children must teachers will be retrenched, leading to public suffer. outcry, agitation and protest, and there will As a result of the switch in the medium be no room for the Government to of instruction from English to Bahasa manoeuvre and to redeploy some of the Malaysia, the teachers are also required to teachers elsewhere. teach in Bahasa Malaysia. The overwhelming But with thl! abolition of the Boards of number of the teachers, however, are ill­ Management, the Chinese school teachers prepared for the switch. despite the three­ will become direct employees of the Govern­ month in-service language courses in Kota ment, or indirect employees of the Bahru for primary school teachers and Pantai · Government through the Govemment­ Valley Institute in Kuala Lumpur for controlled Central Board, and will be direct­ secondary school teachers. As a result, many able to any school anywhere in the country. of the teachers just go through the motion of 5377 10 JANUARI 1972 5378 teaching because they have not acquired Surely, it does not require a Committee or a fluency and proficiency in Bahasa Malaysia Board to appeal to the Minister against the and therefore they cannot really teach in posting of a Headmaster. For that matter, Bahasa Malaysia. In fact. the Alliance any person, whether a parent, a hawker, even Ministers themselves. as has been pointed out, a beggar, can appeal against the posting of have so little confidence in their own any Headmaster if he is so inclined. educational system that many of them send Unless the Board bas some power to have their children abroad. its say about employment of head teachers The phenomenal increase in the enrolment and teachers, all these appeal provisions are in the Chinese primary schools is not some­ meaningless. The new Board, which was thing which gladdens the heart of the described, by the original Aziz Report as the Alliance Government with its present School Development Board. Lembaga National Education Policy. But under the Kemajuan Sekolah, is to look after the present circumstances, the Government bas welfare and development of schools by limited powers to check this switch of raising money. It has no other powers, uses primary students from Chinese primary or purposes. schools, although it has already restricted the Mr Speaker, Sir, it cannot escape comment increase of classes in some Chinese primary that in a Bill of such far-ranging consequences schools. With the enactment of this Bill, the such as this, Parliament is being asked to Government will be able to easily check this debate and enact it three days after its first switch of children to Chinese primary reading. As it affects the education of the schools. new generation of Malaysians, the proper In today's press, we read of a meeting and democratic thing to do would be yesterday of the Association of Chinese to allow interested Malaysians and organi­ School Boards of Management in the sations to have time to study this Bill, Federation of Malaya on this Bill, where the formulate their views so that Parliament can M.C.A. education expert, Mr Lew Sip Hon, take full cognizance of public opinion. One said he could do nothing more to preserve must conclude that the purpose is to prevent. the Boards of Management. This is highly the public and interested organisations from hypocritical, when in the first place he is a having an opportunity to freely, fully, co-author of. the Aziz Commission Report frankly and democratically air their views. which recommended the abolition of the Mr Speaker, Sir, the crux of the issue we Boards of Management. Mr Lew told the are deciding today is-are we going to meeting that when the Boards of Manage­ allow the conversion of national-type ment are wound up, the Minister will (Chinese) primary schools and allow Chinese appoint a new Board which will be education to wither and die in the country? constituted by members of the old Boards of The M.C.A. states that it stands inflexible on Management. H Mr Lew .reads the Bill the non-convertibility of Chinese primary carefully, he will know that the new Section schools into national primary schools, and 26A (4) gives the Minister the discretionary that if the Chinese schools are touched, the power to set up such a Board. He may also President of M.C.A. Tun Tan Siew Sin, will decline to set up such a Board. I do not resign from the Cabinet. Firstly, we know know whether there is a deliberate or that the conversion of the Chinese schools unintentional misleading of the public here. can take place subtly and unobtrusively, However, assuming that the Minister after the enactment of this Bill. Secondly, appoints a Board constituting members of the people of Malaysia are wary of pledges the wound-up Boards of Management, what and assurances from M.C.A. leaders. A earthly use is such a Board? volume. won't be enough to catalogue them. The people will still remember that on the New Section 32A of the Bill provides that eve of polling day during the 1969 General the Board or Committee set up by the Elections, the M.C.A., through Mr Lew Sip Minister after the winding up can "within Hon again, announced that the Government thirty days from the date of a posting of a has agreed to allow the establishment of the head teacher, appeal to the Minister in Merdeb University. We know what has writing against the posting. The decision of happened to the project. Thirdly, so long as the Minister in the appeal shall be final". the 1961 Education Act Clause 21 (2) 5379 10 JANUARI 1972 5380 empowers the Minister of Education to out and the country will be entering the convert a national-type primary school into Dark Ages. a national primary school if he is so satisfied, no amount of assurances either by Mr Lew We in the D.A.P. will never be a party to Sip Hon or Tun Tan Siew Sin is good such an act to suppress the legitimate aspira­ enough. If the Government and the M.C.A. tions and hopes of the people. We in the are sincere in their declaration that they D.A.P. are opposed to this Bill, and will vote would not change the character of the against it. I will also call on Members of Chinese schools and convert them into Parliament to be brave enough to vote national primary schools, then it should at according to the wishes of· the people, and this debate introduce amendments to remove not to the dictates of the Party, if they arc the power of the Minister of Education ever to have the honour to face their own to convert Chinese primary schools into conscience. Thank you. national primary schools in the 1961 Education Act. Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok berchakap sa­ Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: I would patah dua dalam Rang Undang2 ini yang like to remind the Honourable Member that di-kemukakan oleh Menteri Pelajaran dan he must confine his intervention in this saya mohon izin berchakap dalam bahasa debate to the merits and principles of this Inggeris dan bahasa Malaysia juga. Bill. We are not doing anything about con­ version in this Bill. (Dengan izin) Mr Speaker, Sir, undoubtedly this Bill that the Minister of Tuan Lim Kit Siang: It arises from the Education has introduced has caused more consequences of this Bill, Mr Speaker, Sir. than a ripple amongst the educationists in I am arguing that. this country, seeing that what we are being asked to enact today has been more or less Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: You indicated in the Aziz Report. Much has been can touch on it very briefly but not in great said about the abuses of the Boards of detail. I would like the Honourable Member Management of both primary and secondary to do so but I am afraid he might go on and schools. As one who has served on the on to go against the Standing Orders. School Boards of primary and secondary schools, in both Chinese and English schools, Tuan Lim Kit Siang: I am coming to an I wish to say that while it is true that there end. have been abuses as being pointed out by Tuan (Timbalan) YanR di-Pertua: Do not the Aziz Commission, I think that go against the Standing Rules and Orders. Commission has done a disservice to the hundreds of School Boards who have given Tuan Lim Kit Siang: Finally, if Tun Tan dedicated service to the education of the Siew Sin is sincere in his statement that he young in this country, and I hope• that the will resign from the Cabinet if Chinese Minister of Education-I did not hear his schools are touched, then I call on him to speech of introduction unfortunately-when prove his sincerity by getting the Cabinet to he winds up would give due recognition for amend the 1961 Education Act so that those-I am not asking for recognition for Chinese Primary schools need not fear myself, Mr Speaker, Sir, that is immaterial­ conversion by the Government. If the people who have served for 14 years since Government can introduce this amendment, the U.T.S. was introduced. They deserve a and give a guarantee that the Chinese school better fate than without a by your leave from teacher after the abolition of the Boards of those in authority. I know from practical Management, would not be retrenched experience, Sir, the long hours School Boards during his life of service, then and only then, have devoted to the appointment of teachers, is this present Bill worthy of consideration. in particular of head teachers, and there is Otherwise, if we pass the Bill in its present no doubt when the educational history of form, we are signing a death warrant for this country comes to be written, historians Chinese education in Malaysia. This will go of the future will say that, by and large, against the fundamental concept of Malaysia the members of the various Schools Boards as a multi-racial, multi-lingual and multi­ have given dedicated service to the youth of cultural nation. Another light will be snuffed this country. 5381 10 JANUARI 1972 5382 Mr Speaker, Sir, I am glad that this Bill the Minister when he comes to implement and the Minister have taken cognizance of this Bill will also take into cognizance the the fact of the special character of the special characteristics of the Chinese. As we Christian missionary schools and of the all know, the Chinese schools, unlike the Chinese schools. I shall start off with the English schools or Tamil Schools or Malay missionary schools as I am most associated schools in this country, have always been with missionary schools. Of course, successive managed by Boards of Management. It is Ministers of Education have paid high tribute true again there might have been abuses in to the schools started by missionaries in this the past, and there probably were abuses in country and they have undoubtedly the past. Speaking for myself, I do know of contributed a great deal to the education of one school where one headmaster literally this country and still continues and will pocketed the E.P.F. contributions of his continue to contribute to the education of the teachers. This was brought to the attention youth of this country. Whatever the 'fate of of the Ministry but, unfortunately the the School Boards of mis~ionary schools Ministry in its wisdom did not institute under Section 26A 2 (4) the Minister may legal proceedings a8finst the headmaster from time to time set up a board or a concerned until the headmaster decided to committee in a fully assisted school or a commit suicide and there the matter ended. fully assisted educational institution whose But then the teachers, for about six or seven constitution and functions shall be prescribed years, went without not only the Govern­ by the Minister. I do not say that the ment's contribution of the E.P..F. but their missionary schools should be singled out but own contribution of the E.P.F. But all these there is virtue in keeping the special abuses do not detract from the fact that the characteristics of the missionary schools who Chinese schools, at this stage at least. have have done so much for the education of the great fears, Sir, and I will be failing in my youth of this country. duty if I do not draw the attention of the Honourable Minister of Education to these l'ari passu with this, Mr Speaker, Sir, the fears and anxieties of the Chinese school two previous speakers have dwelt at great teachers, the Chinese School Boards and the length on the question of Chinese education Chinese in this country. I do hope that the in this country and they have painted for Minister will find some way of implementing this House the fears of the Chinese schools. this provision of the Bill. At least for the I just want to state very briefly that when time being, till the people are more attuned the forebearers of the Chinese in this country to the Education Service and to the Central came to this country they were not worried Board that the Government is about to whether the British Raj gave them a'ily money institute. By this I do not mean, Mr Speaker, to set up schools or not. Speaking for myself, Sir, that the Chinese teachers or the more than 40 years ago, in the little village missionary school teachers should not belong where I was born 11 miles south of Kuala to the Education Service or should not be Lumpur we never saw the British Raj. We employed by the Central Board. All that I never saw what is known as the District am saying is that the Minister can without Officer but I do know that when I went to any loss of face or any loss of efficiency, an English school the Chinese in my little preserve some of the characteristics of the community. th~YI. set up not one Chinese School Boards in certain schools, in school but several Chinese schools in that particular the appointment of · the Head­ tiny little village. So the Chinese of this master. I do know that in other schools country like the other Chinese elsewhere, I the Board of Management used to make presume, have never bothered for Govern­ their selection and then send to the Ministry ment assistance, never cared for Government assistance and never bothered whether their of Education for approval; but in the qualifications were recognised or not. They missionary schools, Sir, there is a little set up the schools and they taught their different procedure. The Boards of Manage­ children to read and write. And I will say ment make the selections, they go to the that by and large whatever may be our Bishop of the school concerned and then comments on the standards of education in the Bishop makes his recommendation to the the Chinese schools in those days they have Ministry. In other words, there is an inter­ done a great service to the people of this vention between the School Boards and the country. As such, again I would hope that Ministry. We all know that the prerogative 538~ 10 JANUARI 1972 5384 lies with the Ministry. I must recall one The other problem, Mr Speaker, Sir, that instance when unhappily the Ministry foisted faces the people connected with our schools a Head Teacher on a school where today, is the school clerks, and other I happened to be the Chairman of the Board employees like office boys, jagas, gardeners of Management and I remonstrated with the in the school. In this House, many a time, Ministry. I said that we recognise that you Sir, I have raised this matter; in the last have the power but please do not use the Parliament, I raised this matter; in this big stick in the first instance. There is nothing Parliament I raised this matter and none lo~t by having a little chakap-chakapan with other than the Minister of Education himself the Board of Management and the Govern­ had stated that he would give it his personal ment loses nothing by having some attention. Now, while Government servants consultation and I do hope that in the have enjoyed the Suffian salary scales, the mattei: of appointments of Head Teachers in school teachers have been offered the Aziz particular, the Ministry of Education will try salary scales, these school clerks and office and have the maximum consultation with boys, jagas, gardeners and the like, they have the School Boards such as those that are nobody to look after them. They are the allowed to exist by the Minister of Education. step-children in the Education Service. I do hope that the Minister will not just once Mr Speaker, Sir, with reference to the again say, "I will give this matter my personal Education Service and the Central Board, I attention" because this matter has dragged do hope that the Minister also will make use on ever since the U.T.S. was introduced and of the vast pool of people who have that was 15 years ago so that I hope experience in the education of this country when the time comes for him to reply, he and who have, as I have indicated before, will not say, "I will give it my personal contributed to the welfare of education in attention" but he will make some concrete the school. I see that in the Central Board, pronouncements on this matter because these the Minister has a composition of five only. people have been very forebearing and have Of this five, two will be fr~m outside the been very patient and deserve a better fate Public Service. I would be happier if the than what they are subject to now. Minister were to have a Board of ten instead of a Board of five and make use of the vast The other thing, Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish­ pool of people outside the Public Service to bring to the attention of the Minister is who can usefully contribute to the well­ the matter of the T.P.F. The T.P.F. now being and the functioning of the Central will be _wound up but there are about 50 Board. employees in the T.P.F. who are housed in the Straits Trading Building in Kuala Mr Speaker, Sir, the Aziz Commission has Lumpur. What is to become of them? Will now made known its Report and the they be thrown out on the streets once the Government has accepted the findings of the T.P.F. is wound up. Aziz Commission. There are. as the Minister knows, a great deal of problems that are Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: What is unresolved and I am happy that the Minister this T.P.F.? has gone out of his way to meet all th6 teachers in this country. Here, I wish to Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Sir. congratulate him on this because from my T.P.F. is Teachers Provident Fund which own experience, not many Ministers will give was set up when U.T.S. was instituted. Now, up freely of their time in having consulta­ Mr Speaker, Sir, I hope that the Minister. tions with the employees in their Ministry. with such a large Ministry spending more than four hundred million dollars, will do There are two problems that I wish to his best to absorb each and every one of the bring to the attention of the Minister, namely staff of T.P.F. so that none of them will be the matter of housing and medical benefits, thrown into the streets. Sir. I do hope that the Minister will be able Mr Speaker, Sir, there is one other problem to resolve these two vexed problems with his that I wish to come back to and that is the Ministerial colleagues so that the teachers question of the staffing of teachers in the under this new Education Service and the Chinese schools. It is evident that under the Central Board will be able to enjoy housing present system, in the Government assisted and medical benefits, Sir. schools at least, it is not possible for any 5385 10 JANUARI 1972 5386 student to acquire a Senior Middle III. Here science teachers. Here we are in a v1c1ous I stand corrected if the Minister, through his circle. Mr Speaker, Sir, because unless the backroom boys, who sit behind him, can school streams produce enough students-· tell me that I am wrong. But as far as I can literally it is from the Standard V Examina­ see, the Government does not conduct Senior tion where the children show their potential Middle III examination in any of the school by having a di&tinction in science, in systems at the moment. That being so, in arithmetic or mathematics and from there on time to come, if there are no teachers who they go and unless they are encouraged to are qualified to teach, one of the fears that pay more attention to the science stream, it the Honourable Member for Bandar Melaka stands to reason that when they leave school has raised, will be valid. In other words, most of them will be biased towards the if there are no teachers, in time to come, the easier arts stream. Therefore, there will be Chinese schools will wither away. less H.S.C. students qualified in the science stream and qualified to enter the universities Now, it is true that the Chinese of this country. So. therefore, unless you have independent schools will continue to exist, these students coming out of the school will continue to produce their graduates with streams going into the universities. the Senior Middle III but if these Senior universities cannot produce enough science Middle III graduates' qualifications are not graduates and therefore the school streams recognised by the Government, then it stands will suffer and this is particularly so, Mr to reason that in time to come there will Speaker, Sir, with regard to the Bumiputras be no teachers qualified to teach in the in this country. Chinese primary schools. I do hope that the Minister again will find his way to conduct From time to time one hears of the examinations at Senior Middle III level so Bumiputras in this country yelling their heads that there is a continous stream of people off, quite' rightly to my mind, "Why there qualified not only to teach in the Chinese should be so few science students entering schools but also to go to the university the universities in this country and why because unless there are students who are should there be so few Bumiputras science qualified to enter the Department of Chinese graduates graduating from our universities?" Studies in the University of Malaya, then The answer is a simple thing. Mr Speaker, very soon that Faculty either will have to Sir. The anjWer lies in the fact that our take in people who enter that department school systems do not produce enough science with absolutely no knowledge of Mandarin students qualified to enter the universities in or it will have to close down. our country and I do hope that the Minister Another thing I seek to bring to the will take active steps. What MARA does is attention of ,the Minister, also while I am to have one or two colleges here and there. on the Chinese Middle III Examination, is I think, the Ministry of Education proposes the fact that there has been undoubtedly a to have to set up junior colleges in some of good deal of anxiety and fear, as the Mem1>er the States. Perhaps that scheme may even be for Bandar Melaka again has also stated, scrapped. I do not know-this is what I that the Chinese primary schools-Sekolah gather. But the Ministry and in particular . Rendah Jenis Kebangsaan (China}-may well the leaders of the Bumiputras in this be converted. The Alliance Government has country should right from Standard I time and again reiterated in this House and encourage the Bumiputras that in this outside this House. in this country and outside technological and scientific age the Bumi­ this country that there is no intention on putras, if they want to survive~ must also the part of the Government to suppress pay greater attention to arithmetic, education in any medium and as such I do mathematics and right along the line they hope that the Minister, when his time comes must be encouraged to do so, not at the to reply, will also give a categorical assurance L.C.E. level or at M.C.E. level or at S.P.M. that the Government will not convert the level because by then, Mr Speaker, Sir, it is Chinese or Tamil primary schools in this far too late for them to change course; once country. they enter the arts stream in Form IV it is not possible for them to change course to Now. Mr Speaker, Sir, the Minister knows enter science stream. Therefore, I will have that there is a tremendous shortage of yet to hear any Minister or any top official teachers, and in particular the shortage of of the Ministry of Education or any 5387 10 JANUARI 1972 5388 prominent Bumiputras telling the Bumiputras together. I say that this is a very in this country that they must right from uneconomical way. Politically it may not be Standard I encourage their children to pay that wise to regroup these schools but I say special emphasis on science in order that that the Minister should regroup these they may survive and in order that this schools. Regroup them so that you do not re-structuring of society that we talk so much have two-teacher schools where the students of can be carried. to a successful conclusion. from Standard I to Standard IV number, perhaps, less than fifty. The various small Finally, Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to draw schools should be grouped together so that the attention of the Minister to one problem you can give the children a better type of which must be engaging his attention and education. I cannot think any child can this is the school drop-outs. I do know that imbibe anything even in a class where you there have been some studies and, perhaps, find that there are only seven or eight of there are some experts in this country them and he knows that in the other class, studying this problem of drop-outs. perhaps there are even less, and he knows Unfortunately, one does not get accurate that in that school there is a Guru Besar and figures about the drop-outs in this country. there is a Timbalan Guru Besar. Mr Speaker, From time to time various Ministers will Sir, this is a very serious state of affairs and say so many thousand 9rop-outs and at I do hope that the Minister will also pay another time some other Ministers will give serious attention to it. Thank you. us some other figures, but whatever it may be the problem is a very serious one because Raja Nong Chik bin Raja Ishak· (Kuala I think about five years ago I asked the Selangor): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ada­ then Minister of Education, "How many lah menyokong penoh di-atas Rang Undang2 students after completing Standard VI in ini. Tadi saya telah mendengar sa-orang Ahli national-type schools failed to continue their dari parti lawan mengatakan berkenaan education in Form I?" and the outstanding dengan bahasa dan menentang dengan keras figure I got was 76,000. Now, think of it- Rang Undang2 ini dan telah membawa 76,000 of them in the various kampongs in bagaimana orang2 China datang ka-mari this country failed to continue their education dengan sa-helai singlet, dengan seluar pendek which means. Mr Speaker, Sir, that whatever telah datang ka-sini melombong, bemiaga you may talk about the re-structuring of dan sa-bagai-nya, telah menjadi kaya-raya. society, these 76,000 in about ten years' time Dengan usaha mereka telah menjadi kaya­ will be a drag on the economy of our country. raya di-sini dan telah membuka sekolah2-nya drag not only to the Bumiputras themselves, di-negeri ini, di-Malaysia. but a drag to the rest of the country and, Di-sini juga saya hendak mengatakan oleh therefore, the Minister of Education should kerana orang Melayu, bumiputra lembut pay special attention to this very serious hati, baik, lemah jantong, maka dengan problem of drop-outs and, perhaps, when sebab itu-lah kita bukakan pintu Malaysia his time comes to reply he will be brave ini kapada mereka datang dan hidup ber- enough to tell us and give us some relevant . sama2 dengan kita. figures about the drop-outs. This is a problem, Mr Speaker, Sir, that does not Jadi kita tidak mahu soal perkauman yang timbul oleh orang2 ini. Kalau dudok involve the Minister alone or the Ministry 2 of Education. This is a national problem and di-negeri kita, ada dengan undang , ada the Minister should try and seek all available dengan Perlembagaan. Tadi dia telah menya­ help from everyone in this country who can takan Fasal 152 dalam Perlembagaan. Fasal contribute to the solution of this dangerous 152 mengatakan ia-itu kita ta' larang dia problem because if it is not solved quickly berbahasa China. kita ta' larang dalam then a very serious situation may arise. sekolah menggunakan bahasa China. Pakai­ lah bahasa China sa-bagai satu bahasa bagi In conclusion, Mr Speaker, Sir, I just wish membuka sekolah2 China atau sekolah to touch on one or two other things. I am India. Kalau di-tentang mengikut Perlem­ told and I think I am right in saying that in bagaan ini, sa-saorang itu boleh di-tangk:ap. the various schools, particularly on the East Buka-lah, ta' menjadi hal, tetapi, Tuan Yang Coast, you have two-teacher schools and di-Pertua. bahasa, sekolah bahasa-balek these two teachers--one is the Headmaster kita kapada Fasal 152 mengatakan boleh and one is the Senior Assistant-teach di-pakai, dan bahasa Melayu, Bahasa perhaps six classes and these are all grouped Kebangsaan ada-lah bahasa rasmi yang 5389 10 JANUARI 1972 5390 tunggal di-negeri ini. Jadi bangsa2 lain yang Bolch kita ikut sekarang ini sa-lepas menjadi warganegara yang ta'at setia kapada merdeka, Kerajaan Malaysia, Kerajaan Peri­ negeri ini mesti patoh oleh kerana kita akan katan telah mengubah nasib sekolah2 Tamil hidup, kita akan mati bersamal di-sini, di-estet2. Daripada sekolah2 bagini, kita bukan hendak .menchuchok satul kaum telah tegakkan sekolah2 yang chantek2, supaya berlaga di-antara satu dengan lain sekolah2 yang mempunyai guru yang ada oleh kerana ada motif, political motive di· pelajaran tinggi dan bagitu juga sekolah2 belakang-nya. Kalau bagitu saya perchaya China daripada sekolah2 rendah dan sekolah tidak tahun ini tahun hadapan boleh jadi, menengah kita tengok berselerak lebeh tidak tahun hadapan lagi 5 tahun, boleh banyak lagi di-negeri yang merdeka dan lagi 10 tahun berulang2 kali nanti 13 Mei berdaulat ini daripada masa kita di-jajah akan jadi, kerana kalau ada chuchokan dahulu. Dan jikalau orang2 China Malaysia bagini, orang Melayu ta' tahan, bumiputra yang dudok di-negeri kita ini menengok ta' tahan, bagitu juga chuchokan bagini bagaimana keadaan di-Thailand, di-Phili­ orang China ta' boleh tahan, orang India ta' pina, di-Indonesia dan di-lain2 tempat, saya boleh tahan, akan meletup dan berapa kali yakin dan perchaya mereka mengatakan lagi akan meletup. Dengan sebab itu, parti2 Malaysia-lab yang tidak menyekat langsong, lawan memang untok menimbulkan pera­ yang tidak menyekat sekolah2 bahasa China, saan2 bagini supaya tujuan mereka apabila bahasa India di-gunakan di-negeri ini. Kalau timbul perasaan bagini, ini-lah masa-nya ta' perchaya pergi tengok di-Thailand-ta' akan memerentah negeri ini. jauh. Tengok di-Philipina, dan di-Indonesia Di-dalam Rang Undang2 ini ada-lah sahaja. Jadi baharu mereka ini akan sedar sangat simple, sangat ta' ada complicated mengatakan: Oh, betul Malaysia ini bagus mengatakan ia-itu, School Board and untok hidup, bagus negeri ini untok kita Managers. Bukan apa2-tidak. School Board hidup dan mati bersama. 2 and Managers akan ada tetapi chuma kuasa Berkenaan dengan education policy, saya sahaja akan di-tukar. Bukan mengatakan nampak, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tiap2 kali bahasa China ta' ada lagi, bahasa India ta' bertukar, ta' tegas, langsong ta' tegas. ada lagi, bahasa Tamil habis, bahasa Inggeris ta' ada lagi-chuma mengatakan Barangkali empat lima tahun bertukar School Board dan Managers ia-itu kuasa2. sa-kali. Bertukar sahaja-ada Aziz Repot. nya. Tetapi sengaja di-timbul2kan pera­ ada Rahman Repot, ada Rahman Education saan2 supaya perasaan2 orang China itu Policy, yang mana hendak di-ikut? Jadi timbul dan apabila timbul bahasa itu orang ra•ayat, orang Melayu, orang China dan Melayu merasa, bumiputra berasa di-sini: orang India ta' tahu apa yang hendak Oh! bahasa China sahaja yang di-utamakan, di-ikut. 14 tahun kita telah merdeka 14 kali kata berkehendakkal) negara ini, orang hendak di-tukar. Jadi kalau sudah di-buat China baik, orang India baik dan orang sa-kali, biar-lah tetap sadikit. Ini ber­ Melayu baik menjadi orang Malaysia, tetapi goyang2-tolak ansor terlalu sangat. Ini-lah bila datang kapada bahasa kebangsaan, apa­ rupa-nya oleh kerana tolak ansor tadi, oleh bila datang kapada China, mengungkit semua kerana terlampau tolak ansor jahanam sekali menyokong bahasa China, bahasa akibat-nya. China-fanatik dengan bahasa China ini. Dan di-sini juga di-nyatakan berkenaan Jadi dengan sebab itu, Tuan Yang di­ dengan buku2 budak. Tiap2 tahun bertukar Pertua, saya sa-bagai orang Malaysia yang 2 buku sahaja. Ini siapa yang dapat duit ia-itu ada di-negeri ini dan orang Meh1.yu, kami printers yang dapat duit. Tiap2 tahun ber­ dan Perikatan juga berpendapat kita bukan tukar, tiap2 tahun orang yang miskin yang hendak membubarkan sekolahl India, seko­ menampong keburokan. Jadi saya harap lah2 China, tetapi orang lnggeris dahulu kapada Menteri Pelajaran buku2 itu jangan­ masa kita di-jajah oleh orang lnggeris dahulu ta' ada peratoran2 yang tetap, baik lah di-tukar selalu sangat. Di-waktu saya untok sekolah China, mahu pun untok kechil dahulu 10 tahun sa-kali baharu sekolah India. Di-waktu dahulu sekolah2 di-tukar. Ini buku bachaan pun tiap2 tahun India itu kebanyakan-nya di-estet2. Dalam bertukar, tiap2 tahun buku mesti di-beli. pekan jarang sekali. Chuba kita tengok di­ Perubahan-nya daripada nama si-Awang, estet2 dahulu-sekolah India atau sekolah taroh nama si-Baba sabaja-tukar juga Tamil di-estet macham kandang kerbau. untok printers dalam pekan ini membuat 5391 10 JANUARI 1972 5392 duit. Jadi saya sokong dengan sa-penoh2- (e) members of Boards using their position nya di-atas Rang Undang2 ini. Terima to obtain commission from booksellers kaseh. and canteen contractors. Tuan Lee Seek Fun (Tanjong Malim): Jadi dengan sebab ini juga-lah kita tahu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun inenyo­ yang kuat bangkang ini bukan-nya semua, kong Rang Undang2 yang kita bahathkan ada sadikit Guru2 Besar dan juga Pengerusi2 dalam Dewan hari ini ia-itu satu Akta bagi Lembaga Pengurus Sekolah Jenis Kebang­ meminda Akta Pelajaran, 1961 antara lain saan Rendah dan Menengah, sebab mereka untok membuat peruntokan bagi menuboh­ itu tidak di-sebut dalam Aziz Report, ini kan Lembaga Pusat dan mengulongkan memang ada betul, sebab kita tidak nampak Lembaga2 Pengurus dan Lembaga2 Penge­ pun mereka ini tidak ada di-sebutkan di-sini. lola bagi sekolah2 bantuan penoh bagi Mereka membangkang kerana tidak ada hak menguatkan beberapa Shor Surohanjaya mereka. Semua ini cherita tidak betul. Ini-lah 2 sebab-nya banyak orang2 bangkang Rang di-Raja Mengenai Perkhidmatan Guru 2 di-Malaysia Barat. Tadi saya dengar banyak Undang ini. Ubah nama Board of Gover­ uchapan di-buat atas Rang Undang2 ini. nors atau Board of Managers. Bagi Parti2 Pembangkang bila Rang 2 (Dengan izin) Dato' Speaker, I think the Undang di-bawa di-Parlimen macham mana whole thing is because of the translation for pun pehak Pembangkang akan chari jalan the Board of Managers and Board of untok membangkang Rang Undang2 yang 2 Governors. If it is translated correctly in the di-bawa di-Dewan ini. Rang Undang yang Chinese characters, I think there won't be kita bahath sekarang ini ia-lah berkenaan any such hue and cry over this change of Laporan Tan Sri Abdul Aziz atau Laporan name. The trouble is the translation for Board Aziz. Kalau kita tidak luluskan Rang 2 of Governors or Board of Managers. In Undang ini tidak boleh-lah kita laksanakan Chinese it is "Tong Su", that is, Board of shor2 atas Laporan ini. Saya dapat tahu 2 Directors. Jadi bila sudah jadi director. Ini dan bela jar dan bacha dalam semua surat serupa, rumah ini saya punya, ini kampeni khabar sama ada dalam bahasa China, saya punya. Kalau dia ubah mesti tidak lnggeris atau bahasa Malaysia. Saya nampak sedap, muka masam. J adi semua ada kaitan semua pehak ada-lah menyokong Rang dengan translation, terjemahan dalam bahasa Undang2 ini, terutama sa-kali guru2 yang Malaysia. saya tahu di-semua sekolah2 yang mana mendapat laporan mahu membuat pilehan As we know, National Type Primary masok (option) Aziz Sekim ini. Banyak telah Schools and National Type Secondary sain dan menghantar-nya. Guru2 ini semua Schools had been established 40 to 50 years menunggu supaya Undang2 ini chepat di­ ago and at that time most of those people luluskan. Kita tahu yang mana kita telah who managed these schools they themselves dengar Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran contributed a lot of money to. the building dalam mengemukakan Rang Undang2 ini and the construction of additional classrooms ada sebutkan dalam Aziz Report. Muka 47, which were needed to see that the school Cherian 8 ada di-sebutkan dan saya ingin functioned and they even raised money to membacha-nya sadikit: pay the salary of the teachers. So at that time it was quite right to call them Board (a) the intederence in school administra­ of Directors or "Tong Su" in Bahasa China tion by members of Boards; but now all the salaries of teachers and the (b) the practice of nepotism by members of administration expenses and even the expansion of schools in small towns like Boards in school appointment; those in my area, Tanjong Mallin, Sungkai, (c) borrowing of money from school Bidor and Slim River, arc borne by the grants and the voting of allowances by Government-the Government gives them members of Boards to themselves for grants. Therefore, we cannot always chanae. attending Board Meetings; When the time comes for us to change, we have to change. Also, I have been in this (d) misappropriation of school funds by House for quite a long time and all the time the Chairman of School Boards either Members of the Opposition, as my colleque singly or in collusion with head· the Honourable Member from Kuala masters; Sclangor has said, have always been ta1kina

- 5393 10 JANUARI 1972 5394 about pelajaran ten times-any Bill yang Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, dan bersangkutan pelajaran sahaja, dia meng­ di-setujukan. ambil peluang berchakap berkenaan dengan Di-putuskan, dasar pelajaran. Ini Buku Pelajaran di­ Malaysia, ada di-dalam bahasa lnggeris, Bahawa walau apa pun peruntokan bahasa Malaysia pun ada, uchapan daripada Peratoran Majlis Meshuarat 12, Dewan ini Menteri Pela jaran Yang Berhormat Tuan tidak akan di-tanggohkan hari ini sa-hingga Hussein bin Dato' Onn di-satu seminar untok selesai pertimbangan atas Rang Undang2 Ahli2 Parlimen, Senator2 dan Ahli2 Dewan Pelajaran yang ada di-dalam Atoran Undangan Negeri di-Kuala Lumpur pada Urusan Meshuarat pada hari ini. 18hb Februari, 1971. Ini ada di-mana2 Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): (Dengan tempat Pejabat Penerangan, saya harap-lah izin) Mr Speaker, Sir, without doubt, the Bill Parti Pembangkang ini yang mana tidak that this House has to debate today is faham dasar kita boleh membacha-nya, important. It is also controversial and semua sudah ada di-dalam-nya. Banyak2 apparently it is also critical. Mr Speaker, Sir, berchakap di-sini pun buang masa sahaja this is an important Bill because many (Ketawa)-semua sudah ada di-sana, ini Members of the House have not quite got mesti-lah di-laksanakan, macham mana ber­ the real point of this Bill. chakap pun publicity sahaja. Publicity tidak ada guna fasal ini sudah ada mesti di­ There is no doubt whatsoever that this jalankan juga. Bill, in fact, changes the policy direction of the Government with regard to the role and Parti Perikatan sudah tiga kali pilehanraya, function of the Boards of Governors of menang juga-memerentah, tidak boleh ubah schools as was proposed by the 1956 ini-susah. Education Act and which had been carried Rang Undang2 Pindaan ini ada menyata­ on until now. One of the fundamental kan di-sini, Menteri ada kuasa sekarang objectives then was whether or not the untok menubohkan Parent-Teacher Associa­ Government should be fully responsible for tion. Dahulu kalau kita hendak menubohkan all education from primary up to secondary satu persatuan sa-macham ini, susah, kita levels; and there was an understanding at mesti melalui Pendaftar Persatuan2 atau that time that, perhaps, the Boards of Registrar of Societies, tetapi dalam Akta Governors of schools should be responsible Pelajaran (Pindaan) 1971. di-sini ada to a certain extent for the development of menyebutkan Menteri ada kuasa. J adi kita 2 education in this country and, therefore, be berharap-lah supaya ibu bapa dan guru responsible to some extent for the develop­ boleh-lah mengadakan dialog selalu, bagitu ment of what in some places are called 2 2 juga anak kita atau semua murid di-tiap2 "public schools"-in U.K. they are called sekolah boleh mendapat pelajaran yang baik public schools-but in actual fact of what dan sehat. Saya tidak-lah hendak berchakap panjang berkenaan dengan Rang Undang2 would be private schools. The public schools ini dan saya uchapkan terima kaseh. in U.K. are in actual fact private schools. Now it is quite clear that the Government USUL accepts the fact that this responsibility of WAKTU MESHUARAT DAN URUSAN developing a private sector of education is YANG DI-BEBASKAN DARIPADA no longer attainable and therefore it has PERATORAN MESHUARAT taken up fully the role of being responsible Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Ono: Tuan Yang for national education in Malaysia, and hence di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan: this integration of the primary schools and Bahawa walau apa pun peruntokan the secondary schools through this amend­ Peratoran Majlis Meshuarat 12, Dewan ini ment on the Boards of Governors. tidak akan di-tanggohkan hari ini sa-hingga Mr Speaker, Sir, let us face it as a fact selesai pertimbangan atas Rang Undang2 and let us face it without trying on the one Pelajaran yang ada di-dalam Atoran hand to save face, or on the other hand to Urusan Meshuarat pada hari ini. call a spade a spade and in so doing try to Menteri Kebajikan 'Am (Tan Sri Fatimah call it a bloody shovel. Mr Speaker, Sir, I binti Haji Hashim): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, appreciate that the Honourable Member for saya mohon menyokong. Bandar Mel aka still feels a little bit rankled 5395 10 JANUARI 1972 5396 over the statement I made over the Constitu­ critical point in 1956/1957. The issues were tion (Amendment) Bill, that those who bitter. They were fought on extreme grounds oppose it must be disloyal to the country. of bitterness against the Government. There Similarly, I say this Bill is important, because was trouble in the schools. School children those who oppose it must obviously be non­ reacted violently, in some instances, to the national. changes that were taking place. But in its ultimate, Mr Speaker, Sir, the question was Mr Speaker, Sir, this integration of the a very simple one. A very prominent man School Boards has come at an appropriate associated with Chinese education throughout time, in the midst of a Budget debate, because Malaya then, the late Mr Ong Keng Seng, one of the consequences of this important who was Chairman of the Board of Bill is whether or not the Government, per Governors of the Chung Ling High School, se, can foot the Bill, can meet the cost of decided that .it was in the interest of the providing primary and secondary education school to accept assistance and that led to for all the children in this country. Now this a great deal of controversy. At that time and is why it is extremely important. It is also in subsequent years, one of the most mis­ very important, Mr Speaker, Sir, because understood men in this country but one of without any doubt all the schools that are the clearest voices speaking on behalf of the fully assisted will, in actual fact, be taken role of the Chinese in the formation of over by the Government. Now, with respect Malaya and the formation of Malaysia, to the Chinese medium schools or schools Mr Lim Lian Geok, stated very carefully, with Chinese medium of instruction, this very clearly that if you want to preserve takeover of the schools can be a matter of Chinese schools as they were and if you want great controversy. It can be a matter which Chinese education to go on as it then was, could be exploited racially, and it could be then you should not accept any assistance a matter that could be used to stir from the Government. The position was very up emotions. clear. Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to take this Mr Speaker, Sir, the Chung Ling High opportunity to say that my personal involve­ School was the first of the Chinese secondary ment and experience in the transitions that schools that accepted full Government assis­ have taken place in the school system in our tance, and that really sparked off enormous country has paralleled the emergence of rioting in the schools in Penang fifteen years Malaya originally and later on of Malaysia ago. Mr Speaker, Sir, the proud record of as a nation, and I remember the days, just the Chung Ling High School today is that in prior to Merdeka, when this question of the last two years it has been the school Chinese schools was built up into a major with the best record in its H.S.C. examination controversy over what was then the 1952 results throughout the whole of Malaysia, amendment to the Education Act. Mr and it is a fully assisted school. (Tepok) Speaker, Sir, in 1956 when the Alliance was then in power and pressing for the Constitu­ Mr Speaker, Sir, it is very difficult for us tional Amendments to enable the Federation sometimes to take judgments on issues of such of Malaya to become an independent nation a controversial nature at the time they arise. and the Education Act of 1956 was made to However, Mr Speaker, Sir, there are many amend the 1952 Education Act, there was, things which I feel this House should ask very naturally, a tremendous amount of the Honourable Minister of Education to emotional controversy throughout the clearly assure the House. I understand that country, particularly with the Chinese in presenting the Bill, he has made certain community and particularly with those who assurances in order to blunt part of the were involved with Chinese medium schools. controversy, and to take away some of the sting from the Opposition. But, Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, Sir, I come from a State Sir, I feel that if the Government sincerely which has two schools which are prominently follows and upholds the Constitutional associated with the history of education in provisions, particularly Article 152, and this country. Mr Speaker. Sir. in the case of allows those schools who so wish to be the Chung Ling High School, the question independent schools to continue to operate as to whether or not the Chinese schools and not come under this particular Bill, I should accept assistance was brought to a think, to some measure, it would be 5397 10 JANUARI 1972 5398 realistically facing the issue. As far as I borne throughout many years, they should understand it, there are some schools who never forget that one of the most important have entered into an agreement with the factors has been how these Boards, apart Government to accept full assistance. Now from providing the money to build the in the terms of the agreement there was an physical institutions of the schools, have escape clause, and that is, that the agreement always also been involved in the problem of could be terminated after one year. Mr providing funds to give these teachers Speaker, Sir, I do not know what employment. I hope that this Bill will give the response of the majority of the schools the Government an opportunity in integrating may be, but, Mr Speaker, Sir, I think in these schools and to ensure that no one who the very spirit whereby this agreement was is at the present moment engaged in teaching made, if there are those schools who today in any of the schools whose Board of decide that they should not accept assistance, Governors would now come under direction then it is far better for us to avoid the of the Central Board, will lose his job; and sharpening controversy and allow them to be his employment must be such that his position independent. That, Mr Speaker, Sir, I hope and his salary scheme should be no worse the Honourable Minister of Education can in comparison with the teachers teaching in assure this House. the national schools. However my own feelings were those that Mr Speaker, Sir, there is one other factor have been expressed over the years, namely, which I think the Honourable Minister for one cannot participate in a national move­ Edueation can help to reassure this House ment and at the same time try to over-stress and the Nation as a whole and that is the a community feeling-you cannot have your question of the right to learn one's mother cake and eat it. You cannot ask for Govern­ tongue. This right is enshrined in the ment assistance for 15 years and now at the Constitution. It is repeated also in the last date try to turn away. But whatever it principal Education Act in the sense that is with the Board of Governors, from the wherever any 15 parents would want their point of view of Government, I think children to learn the language of the mother Government should uphold and honour the tongue permission will so be given to the agreement and allow those who wish to schools to provide classes for the children discontinue assistance to become inde­ who so wish to pursue the study of their pendent. mother tongue. Mr Speaker, Sir, furthermore I consider Mr Speaker, Sir, I think that if the that one of the areas of controversy arises Government implements this new Bill in that from misunderstanding with regard to spirit, much of the controversy and much of teachers. And probably one of the best the critical nature of this Bill will be aspects of this Bill is that by providing for acceptable to a large majority of the people central control of the Boards of Governors living in this country, and that small minority it will allow an easier unification of teachers. of the country who still wish to draw on I know that for many years it has been the past bitterness may find itself, as I said aspiration in the country of those who were earlier, no longer part of the national body involved in educational matters, it has been politic. Mr Speaker, Sir ...... the aspiration of all teachers that they should Tuan Goh Hock Guan: On a point of have one single unified body and that order. teachers should be considered as teachers and not be broken up into fragments-teachers of Tuan Yang di-Pertua: On a point of order! English schools, teachers of national schools, teachers of Chinese schools, teachers of Tamil Tuan Goh Hock Guan: (Dengan izin) The schools, teachers of one particular school and Honourable Member for Tanjong has made so on. Now, I think this new Bill will enable the earth-shattering assertion no less than two this new step whereby teachers can be fully times ..... integrated. I hope therefore that when the Tuan Yang di-Pertua: I want to know Ministry takes up upon itself and the Central the point of order-tell me. Government takes upon its shoulders the business of carrying what so many Boards of Tuan Goh Hock Guan: Yes, he said that Governors of so many different schools have those who did not speak in support of the 5399 10 JANUARI 1972 5400 Bill are anti-national. I would like to know level. The present provision of only 5 how that is so. members of the Central Board is inadequate. The decision to allow the State Education Tuan Yang di-Pertua: That is not a point Officers to be the Principal members to of order. That is his view. Sit down. (Ketawa) decide upon what happens at State level will also be inadequate. Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, the vast majority of people in this country are Mr Speaker, Sir, I consider that those who involved in this vital task of building a are genuinely interested in the development Malaysian nation. (Tepok) Mr Speaker, Sir, of the fully assisted schools which now will we have to build this Malaysian nation from fully become national schools will also be amongst the different racial communities in interested to give their services to the Govern­ this country. Mr Speaker, Sir, we have to find ment if there is provision in the Bill to allow areas of common agreement. We are not here their services to be utilised to the full. to divide this nation, to subvert this nation by stirring up communal feelings and Mr Speaker, Sir, I say that this is a critical communal emotions. (Tepok) Mr Speaker, Bill because this is a Bill which will divide Sir, that is why I say this is a critical Bill. us from the past and it will take us into the It is critical because those who jump too future. Let us set aside the bitterness of the quickly to seize the obvious political past but let us understand now, as we move advantages may perhaps find themselves out­ into the future, that unless we move carefully, side the mainstream of what is the natlt>nal and unless we understand what caused that body politic. That was what I said. If being bitterness in the past, we may have trouble outside the body politic is to be non-national, in the future. Let us set aside the bitterness then let the cap fit. (Ketawa) of the past and let us, with determination, go ahead to build a better future and in so Mr Speaker, Sir, there is one other point saying, Mr Speaker, I support this Bill. apart from my imploring the Minister of Education to take every opportunity to Tuan Fan Yew Teng (Kampar): (Dengan safeguard the interests of the teachers of these izin) Mr Speaker, Sir, this Education schools that come within the Bill: that is (Amendment) Bill, 1972 is designed to the question, Mr Speaker, Sir, of the Boards amend the Education Act, 1961 by making themselves. Mr Speaker, Sir, I listened with provisions for the establishment of the great interest to the speech of the Honourable Central Board and the winding-up of Boards Minister Without Portfolio and, Sir, I under­ of Managers and Governors in fully assisted stand that many Chinese School Boards find schools in order to give effect to certain it very difficult to obtain the proper teachers recommendations of the Royal Commission that they want. But this is precisely the same on the Teaching Services in West Malaysia. kind of difficulty that is also met by other Boards of other schools. As a former member The Bill also proposes, Mr Speaker, Sir, of the Board of Governors of the Penang to repeal the provisions of Part VII of the Free School, which is the oldest English Education Act, 1961 which deals with the medium institution in the country, we often National Joint Council for Teachers which had great difficulty to obtain the proper head has been responsible for negotiations on teacher and even to retain the services of terms of pay and conditions of services of the proper teachers to provide adequate teachers between the Government and instruction, particularly in Bahasa Malaysia, teacher unions. to the students of the school. Mr Speaker, Sir, because of these difficulties, I ask the Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not intend to touch Honourable Minister of Education to on the political and cultural aspects of the consider providing a much larger Board for Bill, but I would just like to remind the the Central Board and to consider also the Honourable Member for Tanjong two setting up of a bigger Board in the States things-that we are no less Malaysian and whereby those people who have been no less nationalistic than him, and the other associated with the management of the thing is I would like to remind the Honour­ schools, particularly of the vernacular able Member that when diamonds turn to schools, can also be involved in the Boards charcoal 360°, they do not sparkle any more. both at State level as well as the Central Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to confine 5401 10 JANUARI 1972 5402 myself, therefore, to the professional, indus­ solutions to important and pressing national trial and educational aspects of the subject problems, but that it has also chosen again thrown up by the proposed amendments. to display its bad habit of implementing mostly those recommendations that are These three aspects of the educational, the unfavourable and obnoxious to the emplo­ professional and the industrial are closely yees-in this case the teachers-and the related to one another, simply because public at large. educational development has not, does not and will not operate in isolation or a We must remind and warn the Govern­ vacuum. Educational progress is dependent, ment that this kind of selective way of to a large extent, on the professional status, partial solutions, in a stop-gap manner can discipline and esprit de' corps of the hardly promise to bring about the prospect teachers, which in turn depends on whether of long-term professional satisfaction and there is sufficient industrial democracy and industrial peace among members of the justice for teachers by way of principles and so-called noble teaching profession and bring terms of pay and conditions of service. about genuine and durable educational progress. The two main terms of reference assigned to the Royal Commission on the Teaching Let us take a closer look at what is in Services of West Malaysia, appointed in store for thousands of teachers who are April, 1967, were, inter alia- being asked to make a decision as to (1) to consider and recommend the whether to opt into the new Education principles which should govern the Service, which contains some of the Aziz emoluments and conditions of service Commission recommendations, as conveyed of teachers both in Government service and contained in Service Circular No. IO of as well as those outside Government 1971 dated 15th December, 1971. service and employees of School All teachers are supposed to be given the Boards other than teachers, option: (2) to examine and consider the present (1) to join the new Education Service and set-up of the teaching services and to be governed by the new salary scales recommend any change that may be and terms and conditions of service, or necessary, bearing in mind the need for ensuring efficiency and effectiveness of (2) to remain in their present salary scales the teaching service-and I emphasise and be governed by their existing terms efficiency and effectiveness of the and conditions of service. teaching service because I would have occasion to come back to that quite Those who do not want to opt into the often, Mr Speaker, Sir. new Education Service will be offered employment under a so-called Central Board In short, the Commission was entrusted to be established by way of the amendments with the responsibility of making recommen­ to Part VII of the Education Act, 1961. dation which would and could ensure Teachers who opt for neither of the two will educational progress through an efficient and be given termination of service notices, effective teaching service and a happy and which means that there is not much latitude contented teaching profession. for option in the first place. It is with this background of declared Then there is the unjustified and ridiculous intentions, Mr Speaker, Sir, that one is now proposition that those who choose to join the surprised that the Government is now seeking Central Board are not strictly going to be to give effect to only certain recommen­ governed by their existing terms and dations of the Royal Commission, instead of conditions of service, which in fact is a respecting and abiding by all the Commis­ violation of the recommendations and the sion's recommendations as openly pledged spirit of the recommendations as contained by the then Honourable Prime Minister in a in the revised Report of the Royal Commis­ statement made on 11th April, 1967. sion. It now appears that the Government is A Unified Teaching Service teacher opting not only relapsing into its frequent and to remain in the UTS will continue to be favourite indulgence in seeking piecemeal governed by the existing UTS rules, with the 5403 10 JANUARI 1972 5404 exception that, besides becoming an emplo­ tions may well be counter-productive, as far yee of a Central Board, he or she also as the desire to create an efficient and becomes directable and ineligible for effective teaching service is concerned. promotion. Let us take a look now at the terms and The ineligibility for promotion also, conditions of service for a very important unhappily, becomes the fate of a Govern­ section of teachers, namely, the Heads of ment teacher choosing to remain where he is. schools, Senior Assistants and Heads of One is prompted to ask if this is not in fact Subject Departments in large schools. The a crude and blatant form of industrial Aziz Commission had made no provision "Kangaroo justice" that is based on nothing for responsibility allowance or any incentive very short of a Robson's choice of option. for these holders of posts carrying respon­ Mr Speaker, Sir, let us take a look at the sibility. This is most unfair, especially when somewhat unenviable features of service con­ we remember that it is precisely because of ditions which are being offered in the new the extra responsibility that these officers Education Service. Heads of schools or have to shoulder ..... colleges and teachers performing adminis­ Timbalan Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam trative duties, and God only knows why Negeri (Tuan Mohamed bin Yaacob): there are so many teachers being asked to (Dengan izin) Mr Speaker, Sir, may I do administrative duties and not to teach in interrupt on a point of order. For infor­ a developing country like ours, which is mation, whether we are debating on salary utterly short of qualified teachers, these scales ..... people will not enjoy, like all classroom teachers, school or college holidays. They Tuan Yang di-Pertua: (Kapada Tuan Fan will be entitled to what is called vacation Yew Teng) Will you sit down for a minute? leave, the duration of which ranges from 12 to 30 days, depending on their maximum Tuan Mohamed bin Y aacob: I am raising monthly clean wage and the number of years a point whether we are debating about of service they have put in. This is utterly salary scales, because the Honourable unjust to the head teachers and those Member is talking about the Aziz Report, teachers who are being forced to perform not on the Bill. administrative duties. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: As far as I am Also, the maternity leave for women concerned he is talking about the Bill teachers, under this so-called new Education (Ketawa). Service, is another feature of injustice and Tuan Fan Yew Teng: Thank you, Mr absurdity which will hardly help to bring Speaker, Sir, because what I am talking about a happy, efficient and contented about actually emanates from the recommen­ teaching service. Women teachers shall be dations of the Commission. What I am granted maternity leave for three occasions trying to say is that only some are adopted only during their whole service. Any and the undesirable aspects not adopted. maternity leave after that shall be granted Anyway, Mr Speaker, Sir, thank you. I do as follows: not want to blame too much on the Deputy (I) For headmistresses and those perfor­ Minister because I think he is far outside the ming administrative duties, in many education sphere. cases against their will, it should be Mr Speaker, Sir, I was saying precisely taken as vacation leave. If vacation because these Head Teachers and Senior leave is exhausted, it shall be treated Assistants and . . . . . as no-pay leave. (2) For classroom teachers, it shall be Tan Sri Syed Jaafar bin Hasan Albar: treated as half-pay leave for 2 weeks. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, minta tunjokkan Any extension after that shall be no­ dalam apa bah Bill ini yang dia berchakap. pay leave. Fasal berapa, berkenaan salary scale, head­ master dan sekolah2 yang dia sebut; di­ Now, this is hardly the right way to mana dalam Bill ini yang dia berchakap? promote family planning. Besides being contrary to International Labour Organi­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Will you enlighten sation Conventions, these denials and restric- the Honourable Member? 5405 10 JANUARI 1972 5406

Tuan Fan Yew Teng: Mr Speaker, Sir, Tuan Fan Yew Teng: It is regrettable, Sir, actually since we are not in committee stage that the Government stubbornly continues as yet I am touching on policy of the with its unrealistic and unreasonable policy Ministry of Education-the teachers who of not recognising degrees from the Nanyang want to opt into this Central Board as University, Singapore and Universities from stated here. Taiwan and a good number of well­ established universities in India, whereas Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Whatever it is, try degrees from the Al-Azhar University at to keep to the terms of the Bill. Cairo and some Indonesian universities are being accepted. Tuan Fan Yew Teng: Yes, Sir. So I would like to urge the Ministry of Education to What is the yardstick for recognising seriously consider the reasonable request of degrees from certain foreign universities and such officers for the need of the Government rejecting those from some other foreign to schedule all these posts having respon­ universities? What are the criteria? Why and sibility. how are university degrees from certain countries adjudged inferior to those from The Government's policy of recognition of other countries? Is the judgement based Malaysian teachers holding foreign degrees strictly on academic considerations or is it is another area where dissatisfaction, not in fact heavily coloured and prejudiced unhappiness, injustice and conflict will be by narrow political considerations? perpetuated instead of being reduced or eradicated. It is regrettable that the Govern­ Many Malaysian teachers holding degrees ment stubbornly continues with its unrealistic from Nanyang University and universities in and unreasonable policy of not recognising Taiwan and India have to go through the degrees from the Nanyang University .... inexplicable and humiliating process of getting acceptance to do a higher degree Tan Sri Syed Jaafar bin Hasan Albar: course at the University of Malaya or at Apa kena-mengena degree dengan Bill ini, recognised overseas universities like London Tuan Yang di-Pertua? University or unive·.:sities in the United States, before they can be taken into the graduate Toan Yang di-Pertua: Ada masa2-nya salary scale. Otherwise they are to be equated kadang2 Ahli itu hendak berchakap dia with HSC holders and emplaced on the HSC berpusing2-lah sadikit. salary scale. Tan Sri Syed Jaafar bin Hasan Albar: Have we forgotten that most of our Berpusing ta' apa. He is indulging in the schools particularly those in the rural areas whole Education Policy. have been for years, and still are, suffering from an acute shortage of graduate teachers? Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Saya menghukom­ Is this shortsighted, unimaginative kan apa2 yang silap. Ta' suka dengar boleh and unrealistic policy on recognition of keluar (Ketawa). Malaysian graduate teachers with foreign degrees going to resolve this acute shortage Tuan Fan Yew Teng: Mr Speaker, Sir, the problem? trouble is the Honourable Member is ignorant that this tie-up . . . . . Tuan Yang di-Pertua: I must remark here that is where you are going off. We are not Tuan Yang di-Pertua: He may not be dealing with foreign universities or any ignorant; he may be quite right. But you qualifications as such. When you touch on must stick to the provisions because he these things you are off the mark. Will you knows that you are in the Opposition please be brief and sit down. anyway. One word, "I oppose" that is enough. Tuan Fan Yew Teng: This Bill seeks to delete the whole provisions of Sections 92, 93, Tuan Fan Yew Teng: Precisely, Mr 94 and 95 of Part VII of the Education Act, Speaker, Sir. 1961 and substitute them with the provisions for the Central Board. Those sections which Tuan Yang di-Pertua: No need to be so are to be repealed relate to the NJCT or what long-winded about it. is called the National Joint Council for 5407 10 JANUARI 1972 5408 Teachers. The NJCT, while it was allowed platitudes and lip-service to these desirable to exist, was, though full of restrictions and goals. Mr Speaker, Sir, I am perturbed by imperfections, quite a useful body for the the new paragraph {jJ) added to Section 116 discussion and negotiation of salaries and of the Act which proposes to give the Central conditions of service for the Unified Teaching Board powers for "the establishment, Service. organisation, management, control and dissolution of sports council, body or It is unfortunate that there is no provision committee at the school, district, state and for an improved machinery for collective national level. I have, during the debate on bargaining and improving industrial relations the 1972 Development Estimates on Educa­ to replace NJCT which had been repealed tion, warned against any attempt to compel by this Bill. The Government seems to have teachers against their will and aptitude to deliberately chosen to ignore the recom­ carry out sports activities at district, state mendation of the Aziz Commission for the and national level, especially when the establishment of "a single Joint Negotiating workload of teachers is already heavy. Council to be the sole machinery for dealing with all service matters of the Education Any compulsion can only be counter­ Service at Federal level." productive to professional efficiency and the interests of sports itself at the various levels. In Chapter 21 Paragraph 3 of the Revised Report of the Royal Commission, the Mr Speaker, Sir, finally I would like to Commission also states, "At the State level, point out to the Honourable Minister of as an adjunct to the national council, a Education that he should perhaps seriously grievances Committee should be established consider implementing some of the more to attend to and resolve grievances on purely desirable recommendations of the Aziz 'local' matters as well as to serve as a filter Commission like : for those issues which merit consideration by (1) That teachers be deployed to serve in the national body." their own home States and that a All this has been ignored by the Govern­ rotation system be devised to ensure ment which, as I said, sought to repeal the that teachers will not be required to NJCT but without replacing it with an serve too long in a rural school; improved machinery for negotiation, which (2) that married ~omen employees, when­ again bears out my contention that it is ever possible, be posted to serve in the interested in implementing only those same locality as their husbands; restrictive and unfavourable recommenda­ (3) that further education evening classes tions of the Commission, to the detriment be reorganised to place them on a of the educational, professional and sounder basis; industrial interests of the teachers, the schools and the pupils. (4) that there should be regular and properly planned replenishment or in­ Of course, the Honourable Minister of service courses for serving teachers; Education will reply that all those teachers (5) that more scholarships, bursaries who opt into the Aziz Scheme will be covered training awards and loans be given to by the National Whitley Council. But, I am teachers to complete their education or sure the Minister is aware that the National enhance their academic and pro­ Whitley Council has been suspended since fessional qualifications; the middle of 1969 and there are still no signs of it being revived. So we get a situation ( 6) that the transfers of officers should be in which 60,000 teachers, equivalent to about reduced to the barest minimum; one-fourth of the entire Public Service in (7) that training be provided for the West Malaysia not having the benefit of a 25,329 serving teachers without the Joint Negotiating Council, and we expect to requisite professional and academic achieve a happy, contented, efficient and qualifications, instead of threatening effective Teaching Service. them with dismissals; I, therefore, call on the Education (8) that six weeks notice should be given Ministry to stop indulging, in the interests of to teachers directed on transfers and the educational progress, in voicing pious that mutual transfers be encouraged; 5409 10 JANUARI 1972 5410 (9) that Class size in relation to pupils sekolah amat-lah menyakitkan hati saya should be 40 pupils maximum per class sendiri. Jadi pada hari ini saya amat-lah and of course the Commission has said bersetuju dengan Yang Berhormat Menteri something about teacher/ pupil ratio Pelajaran kerana dapat menchadangkan satu and all the rest which are very desirable pindaan Akta Pelajaran, 1961. Jadi saya and ought to be implemented; and sifatkan pindaan Akta Pelajaran 1961 yang lastly di-majukan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran pada hari ini ada-lah membayang­ (10) that as many serving non-graduate kan pandangan luas Yang Berhormat Menteri teachers as possible should be given the Pelajaran basil daripada kajian2 yang men­ opportunity and encouragement to dalam oleh pegawai2 yang berpengalaman study for a degree as well as to pursue di-Kementerian Pelajaran sa-lepas 13 Mei, advanced courses in subject specialisa­ 1969. Saya memberi tahniah kapada Yang tion, advanced disciplines and methods Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran dalam soal ini. and courses in Educational Administra­ tion and Planning. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak hendak berchakap panjang mengenai: Lembaga I call on the Government, Mr Speaker, Sir, Pengurus Sekolah. Saya suka menyebut ber­ to implement these desirable recommenda­ kenaan dengan Laporan Aziz. Tuan Yang tions in the interests of a more balanced and di-Pertua, kita tahu hari ini Laporan Aziz progressive educational development in our dan borang2 pilehan-nya telah di-bahagi2kan country. kapada guru2 di-sekolah masing2. Saya Finally, I would like to say that it is indeed dapati 90 peratus lebeh daripada guru2 hari unfortunate that the Government has chosen ini sudah menerima dan sudah memberi to implement only those obnoxious, restric­ persetujuan menerima tawaran Laporan Aziz. tive and undesirable recommendations of the Oleh sebab itu, saya rasa walau pun beberapa Commission. perkara yang tidak dapat di-setujui: oleh sa-tengah2 guru, tetapi boleh-Iah di-katakan I am obliged, Mr Speaker, Sir, to sadly 90 peratus guru2 telah bersetuju menerima predict that such stop-gap and piecemeal pilehan Laporan Aziz itu. Oleh sebab itu, measures will not contribute towards pada hari ini, saya suka menasehatkan industrial harmony among the teachers and kapada guru2 kalau sa-lama ini saya juga the proper and comprehensive progress of berchakap dalam Parlimen ini mengenai education in our country. Thank you. masaalah guru dan perguruan, dan sadikit sa-banyak dalam ketika itu saya juga chuba Tuan Haji Mohamed Zain bin Abdullah menghentam Menteri Pelajaran dan Kemen­ (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga terian Pelajaran, tetapi pada hari ini saya ingin mengambil bahagian dalam per­ bersama2 dengan Yang Berhormat Menteri bahathan pada hari ini ia-itu dalam mem­ Pelajaran akan menasehatkan guru2 yang bahathkan suatu Akta bagi meminda Akta sudah menerima Laporan Aziz ini atau pun Pelajaran 1961 dengan tujuan antara lain kita kata satu hadiah "durian runtoh" dari untok membuat peruntokan bagi menubohkan Kementerian Pelajaran. Lembaga Pusat dan menggulong Lembaga2 Pengurus dan Lembaga Pengelola bagi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekarang saya sekolah2 bantuan penoh bagi menguatkuasa­ hendak memperkatakan serba sadikit kan beberapa shor Surohanjaya di-Raja mengenal tugas2 guru di-sekolah, sesuai-lah mengenai: perkhidmatan Guru2 di-Malaysia guru2 telah mendapat gaji yang baik kalau Barat. di-bandingkan dengan gaji sa-lama ini, sama ada guru dari pegawai Kerajaan atau pun Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sudah lama guru dari UTS. Saya sedar bahawa memikirkan bagaimana chara-nya supaya pandangan masharakat terhadap gulongan Lembaga J uma 'ah Pengurus Sekolah atau guru2 telah berubah jika di-bandingkan Lembaga Pengurus Sekolah itu dapat di­ dengan zaman sa-belum perang dahulu. hapuskan. Sa-panjang yang saya tahu sejak Perubahan sikap ini ada-lah tidak dapat di­ Lembaga Pengurus Sekolah dan Lembaga alehkan kerana berlaku-nya perubahan nilai Pengelola Sekolah ini di-tubohkan, banyak di-dalam kebudayaan kita. perkara2 yang tidak dapat berjalan dengan betul. Antara-nya keadilan dalam mengambil Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-samping guru2 beberapa orang pekerja2 di-sa-sabuah terdapat pemimpin2 masharakat yang Iain 5411 10 JANUARI 1972 5412 saperti pemimpin politik yang mendapat murid2 dan chuba memahami kesulitan penghormatan yang Iebeh di-kalangan mereka, guru2 mungkin boleh memberi masharakat. Bagaimana pun pada pendapat nasihat dan pertolongan sekadar yang saya perguruan ada-lah satu profession yang terdaya. sunggoh mulia dan patut mendapat peng­ hormatan daripada masharakat. Oleh sebab Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekarang saya itu, saya berharap guru2 mesti-lah menjalan­ beraleh pula sadikit kapada tugas Kemen­ kan tugas dengan ikhlas dan jujor supaya terian Pelajaran. Harl ini kita tahu dalam masharakat mempunyai keperchayaan negara yang sedang membangun saperti kapada guru2 dan dengan itu penghormatan Malaysia ini pelajaran sains dan teknoloji masharakat akan dapat di-kembalikan sa­ perlu di-utamakan. Menteri2 dan Pegawai2 mula. Tinggi sentiasa menekankan berapa penting­ nya pelajaran tersebut di-ambil berat oleh Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perlaksanaan dasar pehak2 yang bertanggong-jawab. Tetapi pelajaran kita tidak akan terchapai tanpa malang-nya Kementerian Pelajaran yang kerjasama guru2 semua. Guru2 ada-Iah me­ lebeh bertanggong-jawab dalam perkara ini rupakan anggota barisan hadapan dalam tidak bagitu tegas dalam melaksanakan apa perjuangan kita bagi meninggi dan memaju­ yang di-seru. Ada berpuloh2 ribu orang guru kan kemajuan pelajaran murid2. Walau pun jenis latehan lama termasok guru2 tanpa kemajuan pelajaran murid2 bukan-lah sa­ latehan di-negara kita di-antara-nya kira2 mata2 bergantong kapada guru sahaja, tetapi 1,500 orang berada di-Kelantan yang guru boleh memberi pertolongan yang sa-patut-nya di-beri kursus sa-chara men­ berguna dan berkesan terutama bagi memaju­ dalam di-dalam kaedah mengajar chara kan pelajaran murid2 yang lemah. Saya suka baharu terutama dalam mata pelajaran sains menasehatkan guru2 seluroh-nya walau pun dan ilmu hisab moden, tetapi tidak bakal guru yang sedang memasoki di-hiraukan dan jika di-adakan pun dengan pepereksaan di-universiti sekarang supaya chara kursus hujong minggu sahaja. Sa-balek­ menyempurnakan tugas mengajar di-sekolah nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok menutop dengan perasaan penoh tanggong-jawab. kegagalan menjalankan dasar perlaksanaan Pekerjaan mengajar di-sekolah mesti-lah di­ Bahasa Malaysia sa-hingga menyebabkan anggap sa-bagai tugas utama guru2. Jangan­ berpuloh2 ribu guru bukan Melayu tidak lah hendak-nya pekerjaan luar menodai tugas berminat Bahasa Kebangsaan lalu tidak boleh guru di-sekolah. Guru2 mesti-lah mempunyal mengajar dalam Bahasa Malaysia tetapi di­ sifat dedikasi pada pekerjaan mereka. Sa­ lateh semula dengan perbelanjaan berjuta2 benar-nya ketiadaan sifat dedikasi ini juga ringgit. Erti-nya mereka ini dua kali men­ merupakan satu daripada sebab guru2 dapat latehan. Guru2 ini sa-masa di-pusat di-pandang rendah, di-pandang hina oleh atau pun Maktab Latehan Guru telah di­ masharakat. Saya suka mengingatkan ajar Bahasa Malaysia, tetapi oleh sebab bahawa mereka yang tidak mempunyai minat Kerajaan tidak tegas dalam perlaksanaan­ dalam perguruan sa-baik2-nya tidak usah nya mereka tidak mengambil berat hendak meminta men jadi guru dan pada mereka mengamalkan-nya. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang sedang bertugas jika mendapat bukan itu sahaja tetapi terpaksa pula lapangan ini tidak sesuai dengan jiwa mereka, mengurbankan lagi dasar pelajaran clan saya suka menasihatkan mereka supaya men­ mengubah Maktab Perguruan Bahasa yang chari pekerjaan lain sahaja. Saya sedar ramai terchatit sa-bagai tempat melateh pakar guru di-antara mereka yang menjadi guru bahasa, sekarang hanya menjadi tempat ber­ menganggap lapangan ini sa-bagai lapangan lateh orang2 yang chuai mematohi dasar kerja yang terakhir sa-telah gagal mendapat pelajaran dan di-Maktab Perguruan Kota pekerjaan yang lain dan ada juga yang Bharu tempat yang sa-patut-nya melateh menganggap pekerjaan guru sa-bagai satu bakal2 guru di-sekolah kebangsaan di­ lonchatan sahaja sementara menunggu jadikan tempat guru2 bukan Melayu pekerjaan lain yang di-minati. berkursus. Saya kata guru2 yang di-lateh di-situ sa-mata2 makan angin di-Pantai Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam pengajaran Timor. Saya kata tempat makan angin, Tuan di-sekolah guru2 tidak boleh melupakan ibu Yang di-Pertua, kerana sa-tengah2-nya dari­ bapa yang menjadi faktor penting dalam pada mereka yang kebanyakan-nya sudah kemajuan pelajaran murid2. Guru hendak­ berumah-tangga tidak menumpukan sa-penoh lah sentiasa bekerjasama dengan ibu bapa minat, dalil-nya apabila mereka di-hantar 5413 10 JANUARI 1972 5414 berlateh mengajar di-sekolah kebangsaan, tanggong-jawab dan tidak menjalankan mereka kurang bergaul dengan guru2 di­ tanggong-jawab-nya dengan patut di-jalan­ sekolah itu. kan, tetapi bagaimana di-beri pandangan oleh Surohanjaya ini malpractices and Saya suka berchakap terns terang, Tuan abuses atau salahguna kuasa sa-bagaimana Yang di-Pertua, bagitu juga sa-masa mereka di-terangkan yang saya bacha tadi ada-lah dalam hostel tidak kedengaran mereka ber­ 'am-nya memuaskan hati Surohanjaya tutor dalam bahasa Malaysia. Pernah di-Raja ini dengan sebab telah di-masokkan­ terdengar mereka berkata apa guna saya 2 nya di-dalam Laporan. Kerajaan meman­ susah , gaji ada, datang sini saperti chuti dang sa-mata2 atas faedah dan atas faedah makan angin sahaja. Oleh itu, saya chadang­ pelajaran negara kita ini tidak pedulikan kan kursus bahasa Malaysia yang berjalan sama ada pelajaran itu di-sekolah jenis sekarang di-timbangkan semula, tempat dan kebangsaan, China, jenis kebangsaan Tamil peruntokan di-gantikan dengan kursus sains atau pun sekolah kebangsaan kita. Kalau dan hisab sa-penoh masa bagi guru2 jenis 2 masaalah ini bagi tanggongan Kementerian lama terutama dari luar bandar. Terima saya ia-lah menjaga dan mengawasi pela­ kaseh. jaran yang di-beri di-sekolah2 ini walau pun 2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Saya tidak lagi murid tersebut terdiri dari kaum China membenarkan sa-siapa, melainkan hendak atau Tamil, itu tidak ada perbezaan dari menyokong sahaja. Siapa yang hendak mem­ segi Kementerian saya. Sa-bagaimana Ahli2 bangkang tidak payah. Yang Berhormat ketahui Kerajaan ber­ belanja beratus2 juta ringgit sa-tahun untok Tuan Hussein bin Dato' Ono: Tuan Yang memberi pelajaran kapada anak2 kita di­ di-Pertua, saya menguchapkan berbanyak negara kita ini. terima kaseh kapada Ahli2 yang berchakap bagi menyokong Rang Undang2 ini dan Izinkan saya pula Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagitu juga saya menguchapkan terima kaseh berchakap sadikit memberi jawapan dalam kapada pandangan2 yang telah di-beri oleh bahasa lnggeris. mereka berkenaan dengan pelajaran 'am-nya (Dengan izin) Honourable Members, I dan khas-nya berkenaan dengan Rang 2 personally am quite aware of the anxiety Undang ini. and the fear which this Bill, especially the Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara2 yang provision regarding the winding up of the di-bangkitkan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat School Boards, has aroused. Of course, as I yang beruchap ada-lah banyak dan oleh mentioned earlier, what is really at the back kerana masa tidak mengizinkan saya, saya of the Honourable Members' mind is the fear akan menjawab memberi sadikit penerangan of the future of Chinese education. They atas pandangan2 dan tegoran2 yang mus­ suspect-let us face facts. As the Honourable tahak dan ada mengenai dengan Rang Member for Tanjong has stated, these are Undang2 ini. the true facts, these are the true fears. Of course, as I have said in introducing the Bill, Yang pertama-nya, saya sendiri sedar the Government has been accused of making bahawa Rang Undang2 ini ada-lah satu this as a thin end of the wedge to destroy perkara yang menarek perhatian yang berat the Chinese language and Chinese culture oleh pendudok2 di-negara kita ini, khas-nya and I purposely said in that vein when I daripada kaum China dan ahli2 Jema'ah introduced the Bill, on the insidious and Sekolah China itu, saya sangat2 faham atas malicious attempt by-if I may be permitted kebimbangan dan kegelisahan mereka itu to repeat-chauvinists and perverted racia­ berkenaan dengan chadangan yang ada ter­ lists to arouse racial and emotional feelings kandong dalam Rang Undang2 ini. Tetapi in this country of ours. bagaimana saya telah terangkan bila saya kemukakan Rang Undang2 ini, ini bukan-lah Now, I say this with great solemness, not berma'ana-nya atau tindakan tersebut pehak lightly, because I myself have met many Kerajaan, bahkan ia-lah pendapat Surohan­ people-the teachers, members of various jaya di-Raja berkenaan dengan masaalah School Boards and so on-and this has been lembaga sekolah dan lembaga2 yang lain. expressed to me. But to them it may be their Ini tidak-Iah berma'ana ia-itu kesemua-nya sincere concern. But there are also groups lembaga2 sekolah ini ada-lah tidak ber- which have exploited this issue. 5415 10 JANUARI 1972 5416 Now, in this Bill the Government is not tion as to what is going to happen to those concerned about Chinese education or Tamil national-type Chinese and Tamil schools education-that is another issue. The issue who still use Chinese as the medium of that we are facing now is with regard to the instruction and Tamil as the medium of School Boards, the winding-up of the instruction, whereas when we come to the existing ones and the setting up of a new one secondary level, we have only the Bahasa without those two powers of "hire and fire". Malaysia as the medium of instruction. Now, The issue of the teachers of Chinese schools these are the things to which we have to give or the Chinese education, which has been serious thoughts. Now, as I said, although talked about, is another issue. As the the legal power is provided in the Education Honourable Member for Bandar Melaka has Act, its exercise means political consi­ rightly pointed out, there is already a legal deration. provision in our Education Act which gives me as the Minister of Education the If I may, I would like to touch on a few discretion, if I am satisfied, for the points mentioned by Members. Firstly, the national-type schools to be converted to Honourable Member for Tanjong has men­ national schools. Of course, the Honourable tioned if the present schools which have been Member is aware that to exercise such a receiving full assistance from the Govern­ power is not a light one; and I am very ment will be permitted to withdraw and conscious of that fact. The exercise of that become independent. Of course, I cannot power means, perhaps, controversies; and as give the answer off-hand on this, because this the Honourable Member for Tanjong has is a very big matter and it has far-reaching stated, it may create more bitter contro­ implications. He also asked for an assurance versies than the controversies that we have that the mother-tongue would be allowed to had in the past. But what I would like to study. As I mentioned just now, it is remind Honourable Members here is that, I provided, it is guaranteed, that as far as the hope, we will always think of the interests of other languages are concerned, they will our country first and especially the future of always be allowed to be studied. our country, the stability, peace and harmony of our country and of our genuine Many Honourable Members have stated desire to build a united nation, a nation that the interests of the teachers should which will be truly loyal to this country; and always be safeguarded. This is precisely what we must have a means by which to unify our I am doing. As Honourable Members know, people. We are not talking so much of it in I have taken the trouble to meet them and to the present terms, we are talking about it in discuss with them fully the Aziz Commission terms of our future generation; and one of Report and proposals with regard to their the means, as has already been stated, is to salaries and terms and conditions of service. have a common language and we have that Of course, the Ministry of Education, in in our Bahasa Malaysia. Then the next stage particular, is as much concerned as the will have to come, and we will have to face others that the teachers' interests should be this stage some time or other when we have safeguarded and that they should be at least to give a lot of thoughts as to whether we as happy as we can make them to be. want to make Bahasa Malaysia the sole As regards the observation made that the medium of instruction in our schools membership of the Central Board should be without, of course, overlooking the fact, as increased, I will give this due consideration, provided in the Constitution and in our and I think for the time being let us start Education Act, that the children of non­ off with the present number and, if need be, Malays will be permitted or allowed to we will increase the number as suggested by learn their mother-tongue. I am posing this a number of Honourable Members. question not because it has been stated here but because it is the problem that we will The Honourable Member for Kampar have to face in the near future. When I talk made the observation that the Government of the future, it may mean only in terms of only selects certain recommendations of the two or three years, because you will realise Aziz Commission's Report which the that under the present implementation, by Government likes or which are always not to 1975, the Remove Classes will be in Bahasa the full benefit of teachers. I can assure the Malaysia and so we have to give considera- Honourable Member that by and large the 5417 10 JANUARI 1972 5418 recommendations made by the Aziz Com­ BELAH-BAHAGIAN mission with regard to the salaries are much better than those made by all the other Tuan Lim Kit Siang: Sir, I call for a division Salaries Commissions which had been set up under Standing Order 46. just after the War in this country. Now the 2 Commission is very concerned about the (Lebeh 15 Ahli berdirl). multifarious schemes that are in existence in Dewan berbelah-bahagi: Yang Bersetuju, our Education Service and has suggested a 55; Yang Tidak Bersetuju, 15; Yang Tidak way out, so that at least in the future the Mengundi, 6. Education Service will be on a more sound footing and more stabilised than it has YANG BERSETUJU: hitherto been. 1. Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir 2. Tan Sri Temenggong Jugah Anak Barieng Now the Honourable Member for Kampar has also drawn my attention to the fact that 3. Tan Sri V. Manickavasagam there is no provision with regard to a 4. Tan Sri Haji Mohamed Ghazali bin Jawi negotiating machinery to replace the N.J.C.T. 5. Dato' Haji Abdul Ghani Gilong which has been abolished. Now, of course 6. Tan Sri Fatimah binti Haji Hashim we are aware that there may be a number 7. Hussein bin Dato' Onn of teachers who would pref er to be under the 8. Dato' Ong Kee Hui jurisdiction of the Central Board and that 9. Haji Abdul Taib bin Mahmud being the case, some negotiating machinery 10. Ali bin Haji Ahmad must be provided for and this matter is being 11. Dato' Abdul Samad bin Idris actively looked into by us. 12. Tengku Ahmad Rithaudeen bin Tengku Ismail 13. Haji Mohamed bin Yaacob The Honourable Member misunderstands 14. Tan Sri Syed Nasir bin Ismail the intention of paragraph (jj) of Section 116. It is not the power given to the Central 15. Tan Sri Syed Jaafar bin Hasan Albar Board but it is the power given to the 16. Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Haji Abdul Jabar Minister to make rules with regard to Sports 17. Datin Hajjah Fatimah binti Haji Abdul Majid Council at district, school and national 18. Tan Sri Haji Nik Ahmed Kami! levels. 19. Chan Siang Sun 20. Tajudin bin Ali Another point I would at least like to 21. Haji Ahmad bin Sa'id give some information on is with regard to 22. Bibi Aishah binti Hamid Don the condition of school employees who are 23. Tan Cheng Bee not teachers such as clerks, jagas and so on. 24. Shariff Ahmad I would like to inform the Dewan that I have met a representative of the union of 25. Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail these employees and we have discussed the 26. Mohamed bin Rahmat various problems that they are faced with 27. Azahari bin Mohd. Taib and, as I promised them, I am giving all the 28. Haji Mokhtar bin Haji Ismail matters, all their problems, my personal 29. Haji Ahmad bin Arshad attention, which I intend to do so, and I 30. SOh Ah Teck hope in the not too distant future I would be 31. Wan Mokhtar bin Ahmad able to make a statement as regards the 32. Othman bin Abdullah position of these school employees other 33. Seah Teng Ngiab than teachers, i.e. clerks, jagas, and so on. 34. Joseph Unting Anak Umang 35. Dr Sulaiman bin Mohamed Attas Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak ada-lah 36. Pengiran Ahmad bin Pengiran lndar lagi hendak memberi jawapan kapada pan­ dangan2 yang telah di-kemukakan oleh 37. Haji Shafie bin Abdullah Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dan sa-kali lagi saya 38. Haji Awang Wal bin Awang Abu menguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Ahli2 39. Chen Ko Ming Yang Berhormat semua kerana memberi 40. Mohamed Arif bin Salleh sokongan kapada Bil ini. (Tepok) 41. Raja Nong Chik bin Raja Ishak 42. Dato' Haji Abdul Razak bin Hussin Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan. 43. Tai Kuan Yang

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44. Tan Sri Haji Mohammad Said bin Keruak Rang Undang2 di-laporkan dengan tidak 45. Hussain bin Haji Sulaiman ada pindaan: di-bachakan kali yang ketiga 46. Tibuoh Anak Rantai dan di-luluskan. 47. Mohd. Tahir bin Haji Abdul Manan PENANGGOHAN 48. Haji Ahmad Damanhuri bin Haji Abdul Wahab Usul 49. Ting Ming Kiong Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Tuan 50. Valentine Cotter alias Joseph Valentine Cotter Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan 51. Penghulu Abit Anak Angkin supaya meshuarat ini di-tanggohkan 52. T. S. Gabriel sekarang. 53. Mohd. Nor bin Md. Dahan 54. Latip bin Haji Idris Tan Sri V. Manickavasagam: Tuan Yang 55. Buja bin Gumbilai di-Pertua, saya mohon menyokong. UCHAPAN PENANGGOHAN YANG TIDAK BERSETUJU 1. Lim Kit Siang Rasuah 2. Dr Chen Man Hin Tuan Richard Ho Ung Hun (Sitiawan): 3. Goh Hock Guan (Dengan izin) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, 4. Richard Ho Ung Hun corruption is a cancer. And so are a few 5. Dr A. Soonan other National ills. How does one go about 6. Dr S. Seevaratnam high-lighting a disease which no longer holds 7. Fan Yew Teng surprises to our Nation? Let us consider this 8. Peter Paul Dason together. Perhaps it is as old a human 9. Chan Fu King problem as the so-called oldest profession, 10. Loh Jee Mee prostitution. But whilst prostitution has eventually been licensed in some countries, 11. Walter Loh Poh Khan corruption in all countries continues to be 12. Su Liang Yu frowned upon, attacked and subjected to 13. R. C. M. Rayan alias R. C. Mahadeva Rayan systematic efforts at its extermination. This 14. Chan Yoon Onn is being carried out with various degrees of 15. Ng Hoe Hun vigour and vigilance, with no end in sight. It cannot be licensed. YANG TIDAK MENGUNDl Its age and seeming indestructibility makes 1. Haji Yusof bin Haji Abdulah alias Haji Yusef Rawa it possible to say that the problem which has 2. Edmund Langgu Anak Saga been with us for generations past, will 3. Haji Abdul Wahab bin Yunus continue to exercise the minds of generations yet unborn. In my view, for those whose 4. Edwin Anak Tangkun given responsibility it is to perform anti­ 5. Luhat Wan corruption duties, their true objective, like 6. Jonathan Narwin Anak Jinggong it or not, is therefore merely containment, Rang Undang2 di-bachakan kali yang not eradication. Containment is possible, kedua dan di-serahkan kapada Dewan sa­ eradication is not, for in a way, Sir, corrup­ bagai J awatan-kuasa. tion is a result of a battle of wits between those who practise it and those who set out Dewan bersidang sa-bagai Jawatan-kuasa. to frustrate and uproot it. Ironically, Sir, that part of the human spirit which is on the Rang Undang2 di-timbangkan dalam constant quest for one upmanship when not Jawatan-kuasa. otherwise harnessed will forever maintain (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan this contest. meshuarat Jawatan-kuasa) For its more efficient containment, preven­ Fasal 1 hingga 3 di-perentahkan menjadi tion at source must rank highest amongst all sa-bahagian daripada Rang Undang2• measures and methods. Whether corruption is motivated by need or by greed, the basic Jadual di-perentahkan menjadi sa-bahagian element in which these causes thrive is daripada Rang Undang2. opportunity-opportunity brought about by 5421 10 JANUARI 1972 5422 lack of supervision. And so the root of the hanky panky will be dealt with. He is the matter is opportunity. It bears repeating. bossman of his District. This is no suggestion Remove opportunities and corruption will from an arm-chair critic. I know it can be wither away. done. I have seen it being done, when I was an Assistant District Officer myself. This is too large a subject to do justice to within the short time I have. For this reason, Sir, a full Minister charged with Special I shall confine myself to one single practical Functions has been appointed to look after aspect of it which has great relevance and problems related to New Villages. I commend importance in the context of National Unity to him what I have said-unfortunately, he and Goodwill with particular reference to the is not here-as much as I do commend it administration of New Villages of our to the Honourable Deputy Minister of Home country. Affairs, with a view to their pooling of resources and working together. The time For example, Sir, there are occupants of has come, Sir, as events have progressed to house lots in some New Villages who have a point, when many problems like Corruption tried repeatedly to obtain titles for the land can no longer be dealt with in water-tight they occupy but in vain. They have thus been compartments. No Honourable Minister can compelled to live on these tiny lots for 10 now afford to say that his territory ends here years or more, unable to have title and not and that of a colleague begins there. Clear­ allowed to pay TOL fees. As time passed, cut boundaries such as may have existed once Sir, their families grew together with their upon a time have blurred and then sense of insecurity and giving rise to the same disappeared as the Nation's basic problems opportunity for corruption. In some cases, multiplied and became intertwined. a whole new generation has grown up in this atmosphere of uncertainty just as a whole The very young and energetic Honourable new generation has been born to war and Minister with Special Functions in charge of hunger in Vietnam. New Villages can do much to prevent corruption at source. It will save much It is said, Sir, that those who could afford trouble for the Honourable Minister of Home it knew how to overcome their problems in Affairs and much public expense to have to the self-same New Villages. Those who had cure the ill where prevention would have the right political connexions too had no done. Cures in the form of prosecutions are trouble. But those who cannot afford it, or expensive, cumbersome, wasteful and not those whose politics are of the wrong colour, always possible, because victims are not live with their fears, year in, and year out. always willing to come forward for fear of The implication is clear and ugly. victimisation. The point is, Sir, in these circumstances Sir, I am confident that if this suggestion opportunities for corruption have existed for is considered and perhaps implemented, much decades. The unscrupulous officer plays upon headway will be made. Then perhaps, Sir, the fears of the illiterate householders, among other things we shall have happier exploits the situation and feathers his nest. exchanges across this Floor when there will The busy District Officer is often transferred be no more need for any Honourable Minister before the hapless man has had a fighting to say in reply to questions, unhelpfully, chance to grapple with the continually negatively, "Make a report. Give me worsening land problem. Supervision either evidence, and action shall be taken", as the breaks down, or simply does not exist. Files Honourable Deputy Minister of Home are lost, many deliberately, only to re-appear Affairs has been wont to do. Thank you. miraculously when a price is paid. What then should be done, Sir? Timbalan Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri (Tuan Mohamed bin Yaacob): Tuan Supervision must come about. Opportunities Yang di-Pertua, tanggong-jawab menchegah for squeeze, graft, call it what you will, must rasuah tidak-lah terhad kapada langkah2 be reduced and eventually removed. District yang di-ambil oleh Badan Penchegah Rasuah Officers must be asked to help. They can sahaja. Tiap2 Pejabat Kerajaan ada kawalan project their own personal interest and masing2 bagi menjaga supaya kechurigaan, personality in this direction. They can make kechurangan dan rasuah tidak di-lakukan. it known in no uncertain terms that any Ini termasok-Iah Ketua2 Pegawai Daerah

------5423 10 JANUARI 1972 5424 dan pegawai2 Kerajaan yang lain. Semua dalam mahkamah. Ta' guna membuat orang persaorangan dari kalangan ramai da'awaan di-sini. Sa-patut-nya da'awaan2 itu mahu pun pegawai2 Kerajaan, Ahli2 di-buat kapada Polis atau pun Penchegah Parlimen dan lain2 Wakil Ra'ayat di­ Rasuah untok mereka menyiasat dan men­ kehendaki bukan sahaja jangan mengamal­ jalankan undang2• Pehak Penchegah Rasuah kan perbuatan rasuah bahkan menjadi juga pehak Kerajaan sentiasa hendak men­ tanggong-jawab masing2 tidak membiarkan chegahkan rasuah ini. Kechuali mendapatkan kechurangan dan rasuah di-lakukan. Sa­ keterangan2 baharu-lah kami dapat men­ bagai Ahli Yang Berhormat itu ada-lah jalankan undang2 ini. Sekian, terima kaseh. sa-orang peguam memang dia mengetahui undang2 dan peratoran2 mahkamah. Dengan Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Persidangan ini di­ sebab itu-lah kadang2 apabila aduan2 di-buat tempohkan hingga pukul 2.30 petang esok. di-dalam Dewan ini, terpaksa saya menjawab ia-itu sa-bagai sa-orang yang tahu undang2 Dewan di-tanggohkan pada pukul 7.45 berkehendakkan keterangan, kenyataan2 malam.