Volume IV Tuesday No. 8 26th June, 1962
PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES
DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)
OFFICIAL REPORT
CONTENTS
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 8591 "Living Wage" Legislation [Col. 9411 MOTIONS: Establishment of Dock Labour Board, Penana (Withdrawal of Motion) [Col. 9461 The Development (Supplementary) (No. 1) Estimatet1, 1962 !CoL 8621 Kilang Baja Urea Dan Kertas Dl·CHETAK: DI-JABATAN CHETAK K:EltAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, PEMANGK:U PENCHETAK K:llllAJAAIC PEltSEK:UTUAN TANAH MELAYU 1962 FEDERATION OP MALAYA DEWAN RA'AYAT .(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report Fourth Session of the First Dewan Ra'ayat Tuestiay, 26th June, 1962 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m. PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, s.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. the Prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs, " Y.T.M. TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah). the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister " of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAzAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). the Minister of Finance, ENcHE' TAN Srnw SIN, J.P. " (Melaka Tengah). the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, " DATO' v. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungai Siput). the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENcHE' ABDUL " AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat). the Minister of Transport, DATO' Haji SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, " P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). the Minist~r of Commerce and Industry and Minister of Health " and Social Welfare, ENCHE' MOHAMED KmR BIN JOHARI (Kedah Tengah). the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN " (Kuala Pilah). the Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI " TALIB (Kuantan). the Assistant Minister of Education, TuAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID " KHAN BIN HAJISAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (BatangPadang). the Assistant Minister of Rural Development, TUAN HAJI ABDUL " KHALID BIN AwANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara). the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL " BIN MOHAMED YUSOF (Jerai). ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N. (Melaka Utara). " ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, P.J.K. (Krian Laut). " ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungai Patani). " TuAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJJ ABDUL RAoF (Kuala Kangsar). " TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S. " (Segamat Utara). 855 26 JUNE 1962 856 The Honourable TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir). ,, ENcHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). " ENCHE' AHMAD BoFSTAMAM (Setapak). " ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.M.J. (Johor Bahru Barat). " TUAN liAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara). " ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, P.J.K. (Krian Darat). " TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat). " ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam). " DR. BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD. NOOR (Besut). " ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N. (Kluang Selatan). " ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong). " ENCHE' CHAN SWEE Ho (Ulu Kinta). ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar). ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor). ENCHE' DAVID (Bungsar). " v. " DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap). ENCHE' liAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N. (Kapar). " .. ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD. YuNUS, A.M.N. (Kulim Utara) . ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Baling). " ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah). TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD (Kuala Trengganu " Utara). TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat). ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Melaka Selatan). " " ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN To' MUDA HASSAN (Raub). ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Parit). " TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu). " ENCHE' IBAAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah). " ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan). " ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN HAJI KASSIM (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Batu Pahat). " CHE' KHADIJAH BINTI MOHD. SIDEK (Dungun). ENCHE' KHONG KOK y AT (Batu Gajah). ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim). " .. ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N. (Sepang) . ENCHE' LIM Joo KONG, J.P. (Alor Star). " ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat). " DR. LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan). " ENCHE' LIU YOONG PENG (Rawang). " ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson). " ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANO (Jelebu-Jempol). " ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak). " " ENCHE' MOHAMED AsRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh). .. ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJ1 MOHD. ALI (Kuala Selangor) • " ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD. DAHAN (Ulu Perak). 857 26 JUNE 1962 853 The Honourable DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K. (Pasir Mas Hulu) • . ENCHE' MOHAMED SULONG BIN MOHD. Au, J.M.N. (Lipis). " ENCHE' MOHAMED YusoF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). " TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJ1 ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan). " NIK MAN BIN NIK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir). " ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu). " ,. ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah). ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara). " TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD. SAID (Rembau-Tampin). ENCHE' SEAR TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai). ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh). " ENCHE' s. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu). " TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED NAM, A.M.N., P.J.K. " (Sabak Bemam). 1 ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara). " ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan). " ENCHE' TAN PHOCK KIN (Tanjong). " ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru). " TENGKU BESAR INDERA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHUM SULTAN " IBRAHIM, D.K., P.M.N. (Ulu Kelantan). ,, DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan). ENCHE' Too JOON HING (Telok Anson). ENCHE' VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan). " v. WAN MuSTAPHA. BIN HAJI Au (Kelantan Hilir). " WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K. (Kota Star Selatan). " WAN y AHYA BIN HAJI wAN MOHAMED (Kemaman). " ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh). " ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Broas). " ENCHE' YONG Woo MING (Sitiawan). PuAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S. (Pontian Selatan). " TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD. TAIB (Langat). " ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok). ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior, DATO' DR. ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Johor Timor). DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. " (Minister without Portfolio) (Muar Selatan) (on leave). DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N. (Minister without Portfolio) (Ulu " Selangor) (on leave). the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, " ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang). the Assistant Minister of Labour, ENCHE' v. MANICKAVASAGAM, " J.M.N., P.J.K. (Klang). ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT (Penang Utara). " 859 26 JUNE 1962 860 The Honourable ENcHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara). .. ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON (Kluang Utara). ,, ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat). ,, TuAN SYED EsA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.N., P.I.S. (Batu Pahat Dalam). .. TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N. (Johor Tenggara) . .. ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka) . IN ATTENDANCE: The Honourable the Minister of Justice, TuN LEONG YEW KoH, s.M.N. PRAYERS Enche' V. David: Sir, as a result of supporting the European Common (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Market, I am sure that we would have to give consideration for the import of ORAL ANSWERS TO European goods in which case they may QUESTIONS be able to get away from tariffs and other things. As a result of that I think loc.al THE EUROPEAN COMMON industries may be affected. Am I right MARKET-ATTITUDE OF THE to assume that local industries would be FEDERATION affected as a result of this European Common Market? 1. Enche' V. David asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry to state the Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: That stand of the Federation of Malaya question is totally irrelevant, because towards the European Common Market. what the Honourable Member sought The Minister of Commerce and In to know was the stand of the Federation dustry (Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari): vis-a-vis the E.C.C., and this has got The Federation holds the view that the nothing to do with the import of goods formation of a common market among from those countries. the six European countries would lead Enche' V. David: Sir, my question is to further economic progress of the very clear. I ask how Malaya would member countries concerned. As these benefit. countries are highly industrialised their economic expansion could be expected Mr. Speaker: He requires notice for to provide an expanding market for that question. industrial raw materials. FIVE-DAY WEEK Enche' V. David: Has the Federation of Malaya joined the European Common Enche' V. David asks the Prime . Market or not? Minister to state when Government intends introducing a five-day week and Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Malaya whether the Government will give an is not in Europe, Sir. assurance that the "take-home-pay" Enche' V. David: Then, how would of the daily paid workers will not be Malaya benefit as a result of the Euro affected as a result of the five-day week. pean Common Market, as those other The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun countries are highly industrialised and Haji Abdul Razak): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Malaya is not so highly industrialised? a Committee has been appointed to Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, examine the subject and to submit its it is obvious from my answer that if recommendations to the Government. there is more economic expansion in At this stage Government is not in a European countries, then they will need position to make any further statement. more raw materials such as rubber and Enche' V. David: I would like the tin from this country. Government to understand that there is 861 26 JUNE 1962 862 a note of suspicion among the daily rated kemajuan bagi tahun 1961 atau tahun workers, particularly in Kuala Lumpur. 1962. Ada-lab di-chadangkan untok ,What I am seeking is an assurance that membena lima buah bilek darjah baharu the daily rated workers of this country dalam tahun 1963. will not be affected, and that their interests will be safeguarded as a result 4. Enche' Harun bin Pilus bertanya of the five-day week. kapada Menteri Pelajaran berapa buah bangunan sekolah kebangsaan yang Tun Haji Abdul Razak: There is no baharu telah di-dirikan di-Trengganu ground for suspicion as the matter is bagi menggantikan sekolah2 yang burok still under investigation. dan runtoh. Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: KEADAAN SEKOLAH2 KEBANG Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-antara tahun SAAN DI-NEGERI TRENGGANU 1958 hingga tahun 1961 sa-banyak 49 3. Enche' Harun bio Pilus bertanya ka buah sekolah2 baharu telah di-dirikan pada Menteri Pelajaran apa-kah sebab bagi mengganti sekolah2 lama. nya kerja2 membaiki sekolah2 yang tersebut di-bawah ini belum di-mulakan, 5. Enche' Harun bin Pilus bertanya sunggoh pun peruntokan kewangan kapada Menteri Pelajaran ada-kah bagi menjalankan kerja2 itu telah di benar bahawa sa-masa beliau melawat buat dalam tahun 1961: Kuala Berang, Ulu Trengganu, dalam uchapan-nya beliau telah berjanji akan (a) Sekolah Kebangsaan, Setebu, Ulu mengadakan sa-buah Sekolah Menengah Telmong, Kuala Berang; Kebangsaan di-Ulu Trengganu; kira-nya (b) Sekolah Kebangsaan, Bukit Tadok, benar demikian, bila-kah sekolah itu Ulu Telmong, Kuala Berang; akan di-dirikan. (c) Sekolah Kebangsaan, Kampong Tasek, Kuala Trengganu. Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apa yang saya The Minister of Education (Enche' telah katakan di-dalam uchapan saya Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan itu ia-lah saya akan menimbang bagi Yang di-Pertua, Sekolah Kebangsaan, mengadakan sa-buah Sekolah Menengah Setebu, Ulu Telmong, Kuala Berang, Kebangsaan di-dalam kawasan ini, tender telah pun di-luluskan bagi mem jika sa-kira-nya timbul keperluan yang bena tiga buah bilek darjah untok munasabah bagi mengadakan sa-buah menggantikan bangunan yang ada Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan di-situ. sekarang ini. Tender2 telah pun di Kemudahan2 bagi mengadakan sa-buah pelawa bagi menyelenggarakan projek2 Sekolah Menengah dapat di-adakan ini bersama2 dengan empat projek yang dengan jalan menukarkan chorak lain pada awal bulan December tahun Sekolah Rendah Jenis Kebangsaan atau 1961. Oleh kerana tender2 yang di pun dengan jalan mendirikan sa-buah terima terlalu tinggi harga-nya, maka bangunan baharu. Penukaran chorak terpaksa-lah tender2 baharu di-pelawa sekolah itu hanya dapat di-buat jika sa-mula dan telah pun di-luluskan pada di-dapati ia-itu sambutan untok meng 16hb May, 1962. Pekerjaan di-jangka hantarkan murid2 ka-Sekolah Rendah akan di-mulakan dengan sa-berapa Kebangsaan tidak memuaskan. segera. Sekolah Kebangsaan, Bukit Tadok, Ulu Telmong, Kuala Berang, tender2 MOTION akan di-pelawa pada awal bulan July. THE DEVELOPMENT (SUPPLE Pada suatu ketika dahulu projek ini MENTARY) (No. 1) ESTIMATES, tidak di-masokkan di-dalam senarai 1962 keutamaan tetapi sekarang ia-nya telah di-masokkan di-dalam ranchangan bagi Order read for resumption of deferred tahun ini. Debate on Question, Sekolah Kebangsaan, Kam pong ·"That this House shall immediately resolve itself into Committee of the whole House to Tasek, Kuala Trengganu, sekolah ini consider the expenditure proposed in the tidak termasok di-dalam ranchangan Statement laid on the Table as Command 863 26 JUNE 1962 864 Paper No. 17 of 1962 and to recommend pelajaran dan perkhidmatan musharakat whether the same shall be approved by this saperti kesihatan dan sa-bagai-nya. Ini House with or without modification." (2Sth June, 1962). ada-lah tafsiran yang telah dahulu-nya di-buat oleh Menteri Kewangart dan Question again proposed. telah menyatakan bahawa perkhid Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad matan2 dahulu itu memaksa kita ber (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di hemat2 supaya kalau kita sa-kali ber dalam mengemukakan usul bagi khidmat kita tidak boleh keluar meluluskan anggaran Perbelanjaan daripada-nya. Perkara yang saperti ini Tambahan bagi pembangunan tahun ada-lah mustahak kapada Dewan ini 1962 ini, Yang Berhormat Menteri menimbangkan dengan halus sejajar Kewangan, telah menyatakan bahawa dengan tiap2 yang di-kemukakan di kita pada masa ini telah mula meng dalam anggaran tambahan yang per gunakan simpanan kewangan kita bagi tama bagi tahun 1962 ini. Tetapi patut membolehkan kita menjalankan ran juga kita mengkaji chara2 membelanja changan2 pembangunan negeri ini. kan wang di-dalam ranchangan2 saperti Dahulu daripada ini pada ketika kita yang telah di-gambarkari bagi per membahathkan usul untok meluluskan untokan tahun yang lalu. Saya telah bagi pembangunan, Yang Berhormat mengingatkan Dewan ini dan saya Menteri Kewangan, pada ketika itu perchaya Menteri Kewangan sendiri telah menyebutkan bahawa dasar yang telah manyebutkan tiap2 sen daripada baik sa-kali bagi menjalankan per wang pembangunan ini memestikan belanjaan pembangunan negeri ini ada belanja dengan harga-nya yang penoh. lah dengan menggunakan kelebehan kewangan tabunan bagi pembangunan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mendapatkan Akan tetapi, dasar itu oleh kerana sa harga penoh ada-lah memestikan kita suatu sebab tidak-lah dapat di-jalankan berhati2 di-dalam membuat ranchangan sa-muta. Dan pada ingatan saya 50 juta dan berhati2 di-dalam melaksanakan ringgit daripada wang kelebehan biasa ranchangan. Saya berharap bahawa per di-untokkan bagi pembangunan bagi kara2 . yang dahulu itu oleh kerana tahun yang lalu, ini ia-itu penengahan semangat hendak mendapatkan kema tahun 1962. juan tetapi kita menemui beberapa keadaan menyebabkan kedudokan per · Apabila kita hendak memajukan kara itu hendak-lah kita kaji dengan negeri ini dengan mengambil kelebehan halus. Kita hendak memajukan, hendak di-dalam anggaran kita, supaya membangunkan tetapi jangan-lah sa membolehkan kita berbelania lebeh hingga melupakan kita daripada berjimat banyak, terasa-Iah kapada kita bahawa di-dalam membuat ranchangan dan kita ada-lah di-dalam keadaan yang menjalankan ranchangan dengan ber berat. Kita tempoh dengan berani lebeh2an. Saya membangkitkan soal kerana kita memikirkan kepentingan berjimat di-dalam menjalankan ran kapada pembangunan di-dalam negeri changan itu, saya telah berkata dalam ini. Keadaan berat telah pun terbayang Dewan ini dahulu dan beberapa orang oleh Menteri Kewangan dengan meng Ahli Yang Berhormat di-sini telah juga ambil ingatan bahawa bagi menghadapi menyebutkan apa telah terjadi kapada masaalah ini kita akan berhadapan jambatan di-Temerloh dan jambatan dengan dua gulongan, sama ada kita di-Tanjong Karang sa-hingga hari ini, akan terpaksa mengadakan tamba Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jambatan Temer han chukai atau ·pun kita akan loh belum dapat di-sempumakan. Maka terpaksa mengurbankan project atau sa-bagai satu ranchangan negara, per :rangchangan2 yang kurang mengeluar kara ini hendak-lah di-fikirkan dengan kan basil dari segi ekonomi sa-bagai halus2 terutama oleh Kementerian yang mana yang telah ada dalam ranchangan2 bersangkutan. Saya tahu menggantikan tersebut. satu jambatan di-buat dengan bergopoh Apabila di-sebutkan ranchangan2 gapah dengan chara meletakkan besi2 yang kurang mengeluarkan hasil di tidak-lah chukup. Maka saya harap dalam segi ekonomi terbayang kapada supaya hal ini di-perhatikan sebab kita saya benda-nya ia-lah perkhidmatan telah fikir dasar saperti contract liendak 865 26 JUNE 1962 866 di-buat, hendak-lah kita ingat bahawa tempat membuat jalan ada-lah di wang Kerajaan dapat di-belanjakan dasarkan dengan jalan sewa ia-itu dengan sa-penoh2-nya. Baharu2 ini, segala jentara2 itu di-sewa mengikut Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai satu chara berapa jam yang di-pakai, jadi di chontoh; saya hendak menarek per kira $25 atau $30-kah, menurut banyak hatian Dewan ini kurang-nya chermat jam-nya. yang berlaku di-dalam pembangunan Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, baharu2 ia-itu saya telah pergi dan banyak Ahli2 ini, pada 15hb June bulan ini telah mula Yang Berhormat telah pergi bersama di chara ini di-perbetulkan oleh Kemente Stadium Negara waktu pelantekan Yang rian dengan mengambil chara baharu ia Berhormat Perdana Menteri sa-bagai itu semua jentera2 yang dahulu di-sewa Pengetua University di-Stadium Negara. mengikut jam dan pada masa ini di Semua-nya di-adakan dengan chara2 tukar dengan jalan contract, sebab yang baik dan istiadat itu telah kalau mengikutjam boleh di-lambat2kan mengadongi waki12 dari luar. Malang dan membanyakkan wang. Entah berapa nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam lama-kah telah berlaku chara mengikut anggaran ini saya dapati 3 million di jam itu saya tidak tahu-lah. Tetapi itu belanjakan. Tetapi apa-kah yang kita sudah merupakan satu kerugian yang dapat pada hari itu? Yang Berhormat sudah di-sadari oleh Kementerian. Saya Menteri Pelajaran memberi sharahan bershukur, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tetapi yang panjang lebar, tetapi saya sa telah banyak perbelanjaan yang telah bagai sa-orang Melayu tidak dapat di-churahkan untok bayaran kiraan jam memahami sharahan-nya itu; Ini bukan itu, maka ini-lah sebab-nya Kementerian nya Yang Berhormat itu tidak pandai tersebut mengubah dasar-nya di-kira berbahasa Melayu, tetapi kerana pem- dengan chara contract. Jadi, Tuan Yang . besar suara yang di-gunakan-nya itu. di-Pertua, dengan ada-nya chontoh ini Dengan chara ini ada-lah memalukan maka tidak-lah saya berchakap lagi dan bukan pula memalukan saya, tetapi waktu menyebutkan chara ratio ber memalukan Kerajaan. Mujor-lah, Tuan jimat untok di-kaji •oleh Kerajaan Yang di-Pertua, bangsa2 asing yang membelanjakan wang. turut hadhir itu tidak faham berbahasa Enche' Tan Phock Kin (Tanjong): Melayu, jadi tidak-lah berapa ketara Mr. Speaker, Sir, when the Honourable bagi mereka itu. the Minister of Finance spoke yesterday Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang on the . question of Supplementary macham ini te:O.tu-lah pada pandangan Estimates on Development, I had kita sa-bagai suatu perkara yang kechil expected him to tell us about the sebab pembesar suara, tetapi, Tuan actual financial situation, but in his Yang di-Pertua, yang kechil itu jika kita inimitable style he had come to this tidak mahu memerhatikan apa-tah lagi House and, to use the word of his perkara yang besar daripada itu. Saya colleague the Honourable Minister of the telah bertanya, apa-kah sebab-nya, ada Interior, to play to us the old record kah di-sebabkan oleh pembesar suara again. He had been telling us that there yang berharga $750 atau $1,000 itu? is a problem to be faced due to the price Saya telah mendapat jawab bahawa of rubber dropping to a level which wa~ bukan-lah salah pembesar suara itu, unexpected when the Plan was for tetapi ada-lah chara Dewan itu di mulated; and yet he tried to convince bentok tidak betul sa-hingga suara itu us that our economy is still very sound berlaga2 di-dalam ombak2 suara. Hal and to quote his own words, "Our yang ,saperti ini ada-lah satu perkara finances are solidly based and· our yang patut di-beri perhatian. Sa-bagai economy relatively prosperous". I do chontoh lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, not know why he introduced the word chontoh ini-lah yang patut kita perhati "relatively", but the tone of his speech kan ia-itu chara ranchangan kemajuan has indicated that' he is trying to evade Pembangunan Luar Bandar yang telah the crucial issue that is facing 'this di-jalankan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ran country today. changan kemajuan Pembangunan Luar When the Second Five-Year Plan was· Bandar yang di-jalankan beberapa fomiulated . and was deba~ed in this 867 26 JUNE 1962 868 House, we in the Opposition had pointed have adverse repercussions on our level of economic activity, incomes and employment, out that we must learn from the mistakes while the impact on Government revenue would of the First Five-Year Development be very marked. Assuming the same net exports, Plan when certain projects had to be i.e. 733,000 tons, a drop of 5 cents from 80 cents abandoned due to the fact that we have to 75 cents, would reduce export duty receipts by $14 million; a drop in the price from 75 to not got the money to complete them 70 cents would further reduce the yield from we have seen from the First Five-Year export duty on rubber by $16 million to leave Development Plan that a number of only $70 million to be collected during the year public works had to be abandoned in the as compared to the $118 million expected to be midst of construction. We also poirited raised in 1961 and the $196 million collected in 1960. The immediate and direct reduction in out to the Minister concerned in this the yield from rubber export duty is only the House that to place the rubber price at first impact on revenue that will take place. 80 cents for a Five-Year Development Rubber companies making lesser profits will Plan was by no means realistic; and the also pay less income tax as a further result. The yield from import duties generally will be reply we got from the Minister at that reduced as a further consequence of the lower time was his usual broad grin with the level of economic activity." remark that we in the Opposition did Well, these are the words ...... not know what we were talking about. I " .... economic activity" am afraid, Sir, time has shown that it is the Minister of Finance who did not These are the words of the Honourable know what he was talking about. We had the Minister of Finance and yet in the indicated that in a Five-Year Develop speech of his yesterday I am afraid ment Plan it was essential that the basis very little emphasis is placed on this of assessing our income must be as particular matter. Perhaps he was conservative as possible; we must make thinking on a very short term-the allowance for unforeseen circumstances. duration of the Five-Year Develop At the time when the matter was brought ment Plan; maybe he is thinking that before the House, we could see the trend the rubber price will remain, perhaps, of rubber price dropping. It is only at the present level for the next one year reasonable that a person like the or two, and as a result he will be in a Minister of Finance should have position to carry out all the proposals adopted a more conservative basis of in the Five-Year Development Plan, assessing income. One would have perhaps, with a little modification that expected him to put a value that is more may come in at the end of this year. realistic. However, history has shown However, Sir, I must point out that that he has been unwilling to accept any the economic situation facing this advice on this matter and the situation country must be looked at from a long today is a direct consequence of that term point of view. We must have stubbornness. However, Sir, what is the remedies not only for the situation actual situation? In the speech today tomorrow or the day after, but for the and the speech when he introduced the years to come. Therefore, Sir, it seems Budget, scarcely a few months back, to me that as far as the Minister is one very important fact has been missed concerned he is putting forward two out, as I feel, Sir, that if the question proposals. He realises that, though he is of rubber price is of such importance, quite reluctant to admit it openly, it is I expect the Minister concerned at this a desperate situation which calls for juncture to tell this House what remedies desperate measures, and as a result he is he has to meet this very desperate informing us that he is appointing a - situation, because, Sir, in December, National Development Planning 1961 this is what the Minister said with Committee to go into this matter at the regard to rubber prices: end of this year and, perhaps, put "In this connection, Hon'ble Members forward proposals at the next Budget would perhaps be interested to know how on development. I must ask here one rubber price changes affect our economy. very pertinent question. If it is realised Assuming a net export of 733,000 tons a year, that the situation is desperate, why a drop in the value of exports by S cents a lb. would reduce receipts from rubber exports by did the Minister take such a long time $82 million a year. Such a drop"-says the to appoint such a Committee? The Minister-"in export earnings would clearly trend was known early last year. So, 869 26 JUNE 1962 870 why was not the Committee appointed available resources. Now, today, all of earlier to look into the matter, so that a sudden, he comes round to tell us at this particular meeting we will be that he may have to increase taxation. furnished with a full report? We must It was the Minister, if I am not mistaken, realise that as far as the Five-Year who said some time ago-it was re Development Plan is concerned, as far ported any way-most probably out as capital projects are concerned, every side this House, that taxation could day counts: one very good example to only be increased in time of prosperity. demonstrate my point is that, if we That is an economic truism. He told realise today that the country is not everybody, "Well, it would be un... in a position to carry out certain prestige realistic to increase taxation in time projects, we will be in a position today when people are earning less income" to eliminate any particular project; if but the situation that is going to face we are going to wait until the end of this country is exactly this. As the the year when certain projects are Minister has pointed out, if rubber already half constructed, we cannot price is going to drop, if income-the very well say that we must abandon it. bulk of which is derived from the rubber So, Sir, the net result of this delay will industry-is going to drop, it will have make· the question of review merely a overall repercussions on employment farce. We are reaching a situation in and on every other matter. On the top which most of the projects are half of that, if taxation is to be increased, completed, or about to be completed, it will further reduce the purchasing and then the Minister will say that, power of the people; and judging from in spite of the fact that we have not got the methods of increasing taxation as the funds, in spite of the fact that in the practised by the Alliance Government, opinion of the National Development it will be the lower income group that Committee we cannot afford it, we have will have to bear the brunt of it, and committed ourselves so far and we the net result can very well be that the have no alternative but to complete whole objective of the Five-Year them. So, this is the situation, and I see Development Plan will be defeated. no justification at all for this delay if the If I am not mistaken, we were told, Minister thought that the matter is of when the Five-Year Plan was intro importance. We have. seen, when the duced, that the main object of the Plan Five-Year Plan was debated in this is to improve economic standards to House, various projects, which we on enable the people to have a higher this side of the House considered to be standard of living. And in view of that of no importance except for the fact if we are going to take away money that they may bring some prestige, and from the people, then how do we expect other projects which are of a luxurious them to have a higher standard of nature; and yet in spite of our criticisms living? This is a matter which the nothing is being done to delete those Minister must consider very seriously. items. In spite of that, we were assured So, Sir, it is my belief that as far as our by the Minister that the country is in a Finance Minister is ·concerned and as position, with our very sound economic far as this Government is concerned, resources, to be able to fulfil every item we had pointed out when the Second that is put forward. Today he has come Five-Year Development Plan was in back to us to tell us that at the end of this troduced that though it was said to be year we may have to review the whole a Plan, they were doing it in a most matter and he may have to come to this haphazard manner. Very little considera House to ask this House to agree to tion is given to the various aspects of the certain cuts, or he may have to increase problem. They are thinking that we taxation. must have certain things and we will have them: there is no long-term plan. Well, Sir, the question of taxation was One would expect that one of the never raised at all when the Five-Year primary objectives of a responsible Development Plan was introduced in government will be to see to it that the this House. The Honourable Minister country enjoys reasonable economic was so confident that he has all the stability, and knowing, as the Minister 871 26 JUNE 1962 872 does, about the repercussions of rubber rural poverty but with a view to mis prices on the economy of this country, leading the people into believing that and prices of primary commodities as they have done a grand job. What is well as prices of tin and other commo going to happen after their term of dities produced in this country, one office is anybody's guess. They are would expect that the primary purpose hoping to mislead the people into of a government when it gets into believing that as far as the Alliance is power will be to see to it that our country concerned they have done a grand job. will enjoy reasonable stability. In that They are digging into our savings to do respect I am afraid our Government it and the consequences that are going has done practically nothing. We have to be faced by this country in the future put forward in the course of debates do not seem to worry them very much, our proposals as to how the Govern and it is for us here in the Opposition ment should go about the job of at least to expose them on this particular matter. stabilising the price of rubber. We have So we see that although they preach suggested to the Government that they that we must tax in times of prosperity should have a marketing board for and that Government must dish out rubber; and I think today I would money in the form of subsidies ot venture to go so far as even to suggest perhaps in various public works in that even for tin the Government should times of recession, we have seen that the consider a . n1arketing board on the Government had done nothing of the same lines. It is only by so doing that sort when rubber price enjoyed a boom. we can ensure stable prices for our The Minister of Finance did nothing commodities, and by having such whatsoever to collect revenue from the stability we can ensute that those rubber industry. He came forward with people who are dependent on such the idea of collecting cess as revenue industries for their living will be able when the rubber price exceeds one to earn a stable living. dollar, at a time when he fully knew that rubber price would most unlikely This is a matter which does not go above'one dollar, and he put forward require international control or inter that proposal. But I am sure that he national agreement. As we have pointed will never be able to get any money out, as far as such marketing boards at all if the present trend carries on, are concerned, we do not have to worry and I am sure he knows fully well that about funds for stockpiling. Such boards it will carry on. We pointed out to him can purchase at what we consider to be when he first introduced that measure a reasonable long-term price for such that he would not get one single cent commodities and the boards can sell and time has proved how right we were those commodities in the international and I feel sure that in the course of my markets. Profits made in times of speech I have shown how history has prosperity can be used to subsidise such proved us to be right. industries in times of recession. This is It is my earnest hope that the Govern a very simple solution and it is practised, ment will take into consideration what if I may point out, in many capitalist we have said on the subject, and it is my countries. So it is rather a matter of sincere hope that in view of what has regret that our Government has failed happened in the past, the Honourable and has failed absolutely to do any Minister of Finance will adopt a new thing of this sort as far as price outlook on this matter. stabilization is concerned. In fact, they have acted as in the past not so much as Enche' Chan Yoon Onn(Kampar): Mr. to practice what they preach, but to act Speaker, Sir, I have a few words to say in whatever· manner that suits them. in this debate. Yesterday the Honour It is a well-known fact that the activities able Minister of Finance gave the of the Alliance Government in the past warning that it would be necessary to few years are designed for the forth further burden the people with more ~ming elections. They have put forward taxes in the future. This warning is a the Five-Year Development Plan not very serious warning and it should be so much with a view to eliminating considered very seriously by the Govern• 873 26 JUNE 1962 874 ment. All attempts must be made to save Mr Speaker, Sir, I think we should money; otherwise, the people will suffer. consider a method to cut down our The people are heavily taxed and any expenses. For example, the rural roads further taxation will cause great and under Rural Development in many untold hardships. I hope the Govern places are much bigger than highways. ment will not be imposing any further The laterite roads in my State are such taxes on the people. that after a heavy sto~, the user will On the financial policy of the Govern have to avoid the pot-holes and after a ment, I remember that during the Budget time it is like a rattle-snake, going this Debate I had spoken regarding ·the way and that way. What is the purpose Contingencies Fund and had queried of spending money on broad roads when whether there was any balance left in it a road of 20 feet wide would be suffi or whether all the funds in it have been cient ? That in itself is a waste. I was told taken away from it. That was a warning. that this is not the work of the P.W.D., I hope the Minister of Finance is aware Sir, because the rural development plans of that. As regards the financial policy are done by certain firms of engineers. -0f our Government, I advocate that very These people are only interested in good steps should be taken from now putting up plans and in collecting their on to see that funds are used only where fees, because the more plans they put necessary; there should not be any up the more fees they will get. But from waste. I don't think the system of the whose pocket is the money to come financial set up in this country can be from? The money will have to come .considered very sound. For instance, from our pockets. Therefore, Sir, those rubber prices have already come down; in authority are responsible and should the Government has been aware of it be more careful how we use our money. and is also aware of the future trend of Now, Sir, with the price of tin and rubber prices and unless proper steps rubber going down in the last few are taken in time, there will be dire months, the business people are indeed difficulties and I believe that further finding it difficult because of the scarcity taxation will have to be levied, which of money in this country. What is the will be imposed by the Government side. cause? The funds that we are going to That is all I wish to say. get from the Federal Treasury very Enche'CbinSeeYin(SeremhnTimor): much depend on the prices of tin and Mr Speaker, Sir, from the speeches of rubber. If there is a boom, everybody the Honourable Minister in this House will be told to go and import and also from what we read in the news luxuries, because we will be getting a papers recently, the financial situation lot of taxation on cigarettes, liquor, has been grave, and it is so grave that cosmetics and things like that. But if we have got to increase taxation if there is a slump, where is the money to necessary or to ·cut down expenditure bring in all these goods from which we on less important projects. With this can get further taxation? warning, Sir, we have got to consider Now, Sir, with regard to the scarcity the various aspects regarding our future. of money in the towns, things are getting Now, Sir, to increase taxation, it from bad to worse because of certain would mean bringing down the standard people. We have allowed the three-digit of living of the people, though we have and four-digit lotteries to go about said so much in this House that we will in the towns every week-end. In my have to do so many things in order to home town alone, Sir, I was bring up the standard of living of the told that on every race day the people. persons operating these lotteries collect Now, Sir, our economic stability very about $30,000 to $40,000. Now, whose much depend on tin and rubber and in money are these? Certainly not the rich, spite of the fact that synthetic is getting but the poor man who saved up every on the way-I read in the books that cent and tried to get rich quick. This is 54 per cent of synthetic is now used very bad for the country. For instance, plastic is another material that will take a tapper or a farmer will deny his wife over from tin and rubber. and children a few dollars of better food, 875 26 JUNE 1962 876 because he utilises this money to buy a are not giving us the support about which few numbers. I think it is about time we were so confident. Therefore, Sir, I that the Government should look into hope the Government, at our Budget this and put an end to it. If they want to meeting, will consider very carefully bet, let them go to the Turf Clubs, but the question of increasing taxation. not in shop houses in the towns. It is It will be wiser to cut our coat according very bad practice. The mushroom to our cloth. insurance companies have taken away plenty of money from the poor-millions Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr. Speaker, and millions of dollars-in every town Sir, I take part in the debate merely to and in every State, and now these three refute the allegation made by Honour digit and four-digit lotteries and pin able Members in the Opposition that tables are going to do the same thing. there has been extravagance or waste Why do we allow these people to in the implementation of our :Oevelop operate? The pin-tables have certain ment Plan. I would like to assure this mechanism in them which is manipu House that our National Development lated in such a way that these machines Plan has been considered most carefully, will rob away every cent from those and at every stage of its implementation who frequent these pin-tables. I have it has been carefully watched and spoken on this matter at the last meeting reviewed. here and I do not know why the Govern The Honourable Member for Tanjong ment allows the pin-table operators to is unaware of what the Government is go on extracting money from the poor doing in the implementation of the people. Ifwe can do away with this evil, Development Plan, and I would like to we can save money, because if you invite Iµm to visit our National Opera allow this evil to go on, you need a tions Room so that he can educate bigger police force to maintain law himself as to the way in which Govern and order. To have a bigger police ment is carrying out this work. The force, you need more money from the National Development Planning Com Treasury; and where are you going to mittee has been established from the get this money from? moment we approved the Second Five Year Development Plan and that The Honourable Minister says that Committee has been meeting from time we need more money by way of taxation. to time almost every week to review We can raise the money, but is that a every project that is under implementa good thing for the country? We have tion, and in our Operations Room got to be very careful in the things we there are charted progress of all do. To raise taxation you may even projects from month to month. chase away capital. Then what is going Not only that, but we have a record to happen to labour? Unemployment kept in a form which is now commonly will be everywhere. If you allow this known"as Form 471: there is written the sort of evil to exist, labour will naturally progress of each and every project demand for higher wages. Then, who is from month to month. So, Sir, the going to pay for it? High cost of pro Government is keeping a very close duction will come in, and where is the watch on the progress of our develop high standard of living? You bring down ment projects. the high standard of living to such a low level that there will be misery and Sir, the review that was mentioned things like that, which are tied up one by my Honourable friend and colleague, with the other. I think the most proper the Minister of Finance, which is to · thing for us to do is to cut our coat take place in August this year, is merely according to the cloth available. At the to carry out a comprehensive review of moment I think we are trying to do so the whole Second Five-Year Develop many things, expecting too much from ment Plan, but review of progress is the West. I think the West is letting us being carried out from month to month, down in the price of rubber and tin, from week to week-in fact, all these because from what we have read in the projects are being looked at from time papers, it is a clear indication that they to time. Therefore, Sir, we had been 877 26 JUNE 1962 878 most careful in carrying out our Deve Plan. That is why I am trying to explain lopment Plan. And I think from the to him that we have been most careful reports we have received, and from the in the way in which we carry out our comments made by world experts, we Development Plan. are probably the only country in the Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yang Berhor world that has really put development mat dari Bachok ada mendatangkan plan into actual implementation. satu pandangan berkenaan dengan bebe (Applause). rapa ranchangan Pembangunan• Luar Sir, the Honourable Member for Bandar dan ia mengatakan juga bahawa Seremban Timor has alleged that cer Kerajaan telah membelanjakan wang tain engineers build roads much bigger dengan membazir untok menjalankan than the highways that we have known ranchangan2 itu. Saya telah menerang in this country. Sir, we intend to build kan tadi bagaimana chara-nya Kerajaan roads that can last for many years to menjalankan ranchangan Pembangunan come. The roads are being constructed, Luar Bandar ini yang mana chara2 itu or re-constructed, according to specifi ada-lah di-semak dari satu masa ka-satu cations put forward by the Public Works masa. Department. If we build roads according Berkenaan dengan ranchangan mem to proper specifications, then the cost buat jalan raya di-negeri Kelantan of maintenance will be low, and we sa-benar-nya mula2 dahulu jalan raya itu will avoid laterite roads-as mentioned di-buat dengan di-beri contract ia-itu by the Honourable Member-with holes di-sewa jentera2 itu mengikut berapa jam here and there. Sir, the way Government yang di-pakai. Dan sekarang ini apabila is carrying out its Five-Year Plan is saya telah melawat di-Kelantan pada such that we eliminate waste and masa Pilehan Raya di-Rantau Panjang extravagance in every way possible, and saya telah dapat tahu bahawa chara that is why I invite all Honourable yang sa-macham itu tidak memuaskan Members of the Opposition to come to hati. Akan tetapi sa-benar-nya pekerjaan the Operations Room, so that they will itu ada-lah tanggong-jawab Jawatan be able to know how we carry out our Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar Development Plan-and they will be Negeri yang mana Menteri Besar sendiri able to educate themselves and not menjadi pengerusi-nya. Saya fikir sa make false allegations and statements kira-nya Jawatan-Kuasa ini bersama2 in this House. bertanggong-jawab dalam perkara ini Encbe' Tan Pbock Kin: Mr Speaker, tentu-lah perkara yang sa-macham ini Sir, on a point of clarification-may I tidak akan berlaku. (Tepok). clarify that I pointed out that the review Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: at the end of the year is not merely a Untok penjelasan; Tuan Yang di review on development as such in the Pertua, kalau-lah Menteri Pembangunan light of progress to date, but in addition Luar Bandar itu lebeh dahulu tahu hal it will also review the changes in the itu sudah berapa ribu telah di-belanja financial situation, and this is the point kan, dahulu ada-lah sa-orang pegawai which I was driving at when I referred federal yang bekerja di-Kelantan di to it. So, I think the Honourable the bawah pentadbiran negeri. Tuan Yang Deputy Prime Minister is quite wrong di-Pertua, satu perkara saya rasa sudah when he made the allegation that I am kah perkara itu di-sampaikan oleh accusing the Government without Jawatan-Kuasa Pembangunan Luar knowing the actual facts. I am fully Bandar negeri Kelantan sama ada aware that there is periodical review. perkara itu dia telah puas hati. What I was pointing out is that the review at the end of this year will take Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang into consideration the financial impli di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat patut cations. faham bahawa pentadbiran perjalanan Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Sir, I think ranchangan2 Pembangunan Luar the Honourable Member did make Bandar · di-dalam tiap2 negeri ada allegations that Government is extra Jawatan-Kuasa Pembangunan Luar vagant in implementing its Development Bandar negeri di-pengerusikan oleh -~-~~---~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 879 26 JUNE 1962 880 Menteri Besar negeri itu dan Jawatan masa bah supaya dapat di-tentukan Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar itu bagaimana chara bangunan yang patut bertanggong-jawab di-atas perjalanan di-bena jambatan itu supaya boleh dan ranchangan2 Pembangunan Luar menahan daripada kerosakan pada masa Bandar itu dan Jawatan-Kuasa tersebut akan datang. · memberitahu Kementerian saya di-atas Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya perjalanan yang di-buat-nya itu. Kalau perchaya dengan keterangan tersebut Jawatan-Kuasa itu tidak memberitahu Dewan ini faham bahawa tiap2 satu bagaimana-kah Kementerian ini hendak ranchangan yang kita jalankan itu menjalankan tanggong-jawab-nya. ada-lah di-jalankan dengan sempurna · Berkenaan dengan Stadium Negara, dan di-semak dari satu masa ka-satu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka mene masa, supaya tidak-lah ada apa2 perkara rangkan di-sini bahawa Stadium Negara yang membazirkan wang dan sa-bagai di-bena ada-lah di-sifatkan sa-bagai satu nya yang telah di-timbulkan oleh Ahli2 bangunan yang termuka di-dunia ini. pembangkang. Jadi Ahli Yang Berhormat itu saya The Minister of Finance (Enche' perchaya tidak faham bahawa Stadium Tan Siew Sin): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I Negara itu guna-nya untok permainan think the general tenor of the speeches sport, badminton, tennis dan volley ball which have been made from the dan sa-bagai-nya, bukan untok menga Opposition benches is that the Govern dakan isti'adat saperti yang di-adakan ment is not sufficiently aware of the itu. Sa-bagai Pengerusi Jema'ah Stadium economic crisis with which it is faced. Negara kami tahu semua-nya pehak I don't think, Sir, that the position is as yang menggunakan Stadium itu hanya desperate as all that. The Honourable lah untok permainan2 yang saya sebut Member from Bachok stated in the kan itu, kalau hendak main muzik atau opening Opposition speech that we will bersharah di-belakang itu boleh. Tetapi have to run down all our savings in saya tidak-lah menggalang mana2 pehak order to implement the Second Five. hendak menggunakan Stadium itu, jadi Year Development Plan. He did not saya suka tegaskan lagi kalau hendak state whether the running down will be di-adakan untok bersharah tentu-lah achieved during this year or during the bukan tempat-nya kerana Stadium. period of the Plan itself, but I can assure Negara itu di-buat untok di-ada~an him that the running down of $100 permainan2. million in 1962 will by no means Berkenaan dengan jambatan2 Temer exhaust all our available realisable loh dan Tanjong Karang, saya telah reserves. Although in my speech I said terangkan di-Dewan ini kerap kali ia-itu that this running down process will bukan-lah ada apa2 kesifa.pan daripada continue for the remaining period of the pehak mana2 pejabat dan sa-bagai-nya Five-Year Plan-and I don't think I am di-mana pada tahun yang lalu satu bah generally regarded as given to over yang sangat besar ia-itu luar biasa optimism-I don't think that this di-negeri Pahang yang menyebabkan process is one which we cannot bear. bah itu telah banyak membawa kayu2 The Honourable Member for Tanjong . dan dengan sebab itu jambatan itu telah castigated the Government for being not rosak, tetapi Kerajaan sedang menyiasat sufficiently conscious of the dangers we perkara ini sa-hingga puas hati. Kera are facing. I think that is really the main jaan faham sa-benar-nya berkenaan tenor of his speech and in the course dengan kedudokan ayer, berapa kuat of his speech he said that we should dan deras-nya perjalanan sungai itu have anticipated things rather better yang hendak masok bah dan dengan than we did. He also used the term yang demikian Kerajaan hendak mem "desperate situation", but, as I have said baiki-nya dan ada-lah di-harap pada before, I don't think the situation is hujong tahun ini akan dapat di-siasat · desperate. My Honourable friend and sa-kali lagi supaya dapat di-ketahui colleague the Deputy Prime Minister has sa-benar2-nya bagaimana chara ayer explained the functions of the National sungai Pahang itu deras-nya daripada Development Planning Committee-we satu masa ka-satu masa terutama pada refer to it as the N.D.P.C; As my· 881 26 JUNE 1962 882 Honourable colleague has already with a drastic fall in revenue, it will be pointed out, the N.D.P.C. keeps the faced with two alternatives-either • entire Plan under continuous review. We increasing taxation or cutting down do not only review the Plan when there projects which are not economically is a spectacular drop in the rubber productive. I think I made it quite clear price or when there is a spectacular that that does not necessarily mean an drop in the tin price, or when there is a increase in taxation. crisis somewhere, it is kept under review all the time. I think he also made Other Honourable Members also the point that the targets of the Plan stressed the need for economy in should bear some relation to our Government expenditure. That I think financial resources. That I think was the is something which we in the Treasury time when he interrupted my Honour are well aware of and we have tried to able colleague the Deputy Prime carry this out all the time. To us the Minister. watchword is really caution and not panic. As I have said already, we will be I can assure him that we do keep that running down our reserves from now on under review, too, and that was why I and this process will continue, but I tried to emphasise in my speech yester think provided we fake care to include in day that although I think we might be the Plan only pr~jects which are really able to fulfil all the economic targets of essential and not merely desirable, I see the Plan, that we might be able to no reason why we should not be able execute the economic projects in the to implement the Plan in full even if the Plan, we should be rather careful about prices of rubber and tin remain at their adding projects which are not of present levels. economic value, such as, schools, hos pitals and other projects which might be Question put, and agreed to. classed as social and welfare services. As Development (Supplementary) (No. a result, I do not think there is any 1) Estimates, 1962 considered in Com danger of the economic projects of the mittee. Plan being half-completed as was sug gested by the Honourable Member for (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Tanjong. Head JOJ- It is true, of course, that the Plan itself is based on a rubber price at Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. Speaker, 80 cents per lb., and the Government Sir, I beg to move that the expenditure is well aware-and it has made no shown under Head 101 totalling secret of this awareness by public $1,800,000 be approved. I might announcements-that towards the perhaps, Sir, make a number of expla middle of the decade, and certainly by nations with regard to each individual the end of the decade, we must expect sub-head. a rubber price which is well below the Sub-head I: Government Contribution to . present level of 73 cents. I think we are National Mosque-$500,000. prepared for that prospect, although it is difficult to say now what measures we Honourable Members will recall that should take to meet it because until we when the House was asked to approve know exactly what the level will be, I do early this year a token provision of $10, not think we can really · lay down being the Government's contribution specific remedies. But, generally towards the cost of building the National speaking, I think the Government Mosque, the House was informed that it would be prepared to take the necessary might be necessary to ask for funds later measures should that contingency take in the year if sueh are required by the place. National Mosque Committee. I had made it clear yesterday too that It has now been found that it is neces there was no immediate intention of sary to provide $500,000 in the Supple increasing taxation, but I had·posed two mentary Development Estimates being alternatives. I said that if the rubber the Government's contribution this price falls and the Government is faced year. So far all the expenditure that has 883 26 JUNE 1962 884 been incurred has been met from YusoO: Tuan Pengerusi, saya men contributions by members of the public. chadangkan supaya Peruntokan Tamba han di-bawah Kepala Besar 103 dalam Sub-head 3: Staff Training Centre Bahagian Siaran Radio, yang berjumlah $600,000. $1,350,510 itu di-luluskan. As Honourable Members are aware, the cost of the main buildings of the Kepala Kechi/ (7) (ii} Bagi steshen Staff Training Centre would be met from Melaka ia-lah untok bangunan studio, a generous donation from the Govern pejabat dan alat2 termasok pemanchar2. ment of New Zealand amounting to Tambahan peruntokan sa-chara lang $510,000. However provision has to song yang di-kehendaki ia-lah wang sa be made by the Federation Government banyak $460,000. Tambahan ini ia-lah for certain ancillary items like servants' kerana menyediakan bangunan2 dan quarters, furniture and fittings, peri alat perkakas supaya perkhidmatan meter fencing and roads and paths radio yang lebeh kuat, lengkap dan amounting to $340,000. Both the contri sempurna bagi kawasan barat-daya bution from the New Zealand Govern Malaya dapat di-adakan. ment and the provision to be made available by the Federation Govern Kepala Kechi/ (9) Ipoh-Alat2 Peman ment totalling $850,000 have been char dan Studio2. Wang tambahan shown in the Supplementary Develop $400,000 ini di-kehendaki untok mem ment Estimates, 1962. Of this amount bantu pada membeli alat2 perkakas dan only $600,000 is required for this year juga mendirikan studio2, dewan peman and hence this sum has been entered in char dan pejabat2 pada tahun ini juga. the Supplementary Development Esti Tender akan di-keluarkan tidak lama mates. lagi. Sebab2-nya maka tidak dapat di keluarkan terlebeh dahulu ia-lah kerana Sub-head JO: Shipment of Capital Equip kelewatan mendapat tanah. Alat2 pe- , ment under Colombo Plan-$700,000. manchar dan lain2 perkakas sahaja, The Federation receives capital assis tidak kira lain benda, berharga $300,000 tance from a number of countries under dan pesanan-nya di-seberang laut telah the Colombo Plan. In the case of capital pun di-buat. Di-harap alat2 pemanchar equipment received from Canada, the ini akan dapat di-gunakan pada per Federation of Malaya is responsible for tengahan tahun 1963 dan akan menye transporting the equipment from babkan wang $400,000 di-kehendaki Canadian ports to the Federation. untok menambah pada belanja mendiri kan bangunan studio, pejabat dan alat2 The supplementary provision of pemanchar pada tahun ini. $700,000 now requii;ed is to cover freight charges on equipment received in Kepala Kechi/ (10) Johor Bahru 1961 and 1962. Alat2 pemanchar dan studio. Tender Hitherto, provision for the payment of telah pun di-keluarkan dan akan di freight charges was provided under tutup pada 5hb July, 1962. Kerja Head 7, Prime Minister, in the ordinary mendirikan bangunan di-jangka akan Estimates of Expenditure. Since the di-mulai pada akhir bulan July. Pesanan charges are connected with the capital untok mendapat alat2 pemanchar dan cost of equipment, it is thought proper lain2 alat berharga $200,000 telah pun that such charges should be provided in di-buat. Di-jangka steshen ini dapat di the Development Estimates. gunakan pada pertengahan tahun 1963. Question put, and agreed to. Kepala Kechi/ (11) Pulau, Pinang The sum of $1,800,000 for Head 101 Alat pemanchar tambahan gelombang agreed to stand part of the Development pendek. Alat2 untok memancharkan (Supplementary) (No. 1) Estimates, siaran Radio Malaya lebeh jauh dan 1962. kuat lagi sedang siap di-pasang. Siaran2 ujian akan di-jalankan tidak lama lagi. Head 103- Wang tambahan yang di-kehendaki ia The Assistant Minister of the Interior lah $21,500 sahaja supaya jumlah (Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed $116,500 bagi projek ini di-dapati penoh. 885 - 26 mNE 1962 886 Kepala Kechi/ (12) Kajang-ganti alat charan Radio Singapura daripada siaran pemanchar gelombang pendek. Alat gelombang pendek daripada pancharan pemanchar gelombang pendek berharga radio Kuala Lumpur ini. $98,000 telah pun di-pesan dan di Saya tidak fikir yang kejadian itu jangka akan dapat di-gunakan sa di-sengajakan tetapi ini patut-lah men belum akhir tahun ini. Pemanchar ini dapat perhatian oleh Kementerian yang untok menggantikan alat pemanchar berkenaan supaya siaran dalam bahasa di-Kajang yang sudah burok sa-kali. kebangsaan ini dapat perhatian dan Kepala Kechi/ (13) Television: mendapat layanan yang munasabah sa-hingga tidak ada lagi perbedzaan (i) Ujian Survey (Test Survey) di-antara .siaran2 dalam bahasa2 yang Peruntokan wang sa-banyak lain melalui Radio Malaya baik dari $171,000 ada-lah di-kehendaki gelombang sederhana atau pun dari untok menjalankan kerja me gelombang pendek. nguji tempat2 yang baik bagi steshen2 pemanchar television Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed di-seluroh Persekutuan. Ini ada Yusof: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh sebab lah mustahak sa-belum di-ran Kerajaan memang tahu hal itu maka changkan Perkhidmatan Tele peruntokan ini di-bawa ka-dalam vision. Dewan pada hari ini. Oleh hal yang (ii) Membeli Tanah di-Kuala demikian saya perchaya manakala Lumpur-Sa-keping tanah akan ranchangan ini telah berjalan saya beri di-beli di-Kuala Lumpur untok pengakuan di-sini, perkara2 tentang di-jadikan tapak bagi mendiri siaran Melayu yang lemah dan sa-bagai kan studio2 dan pejabat2 bagi nya itu terutama di-pantai timor tidak Perkhidmatan Television. Oleh akan berlaku lagi. sebab pembayaran harga tanah Question put, and agreed to. itu akan di-buat pada tahun The sum o( $1,350,510 agreed to hadapan, hanya wang tanda stand part of the Development (Supple (token) $10.00 sahaja di mentary) (No. 1) Estimates, 1962. kehendaki tahun ini. Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda Heads 105 and 109- (Pasir Puteh): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed melihatkan perkembangan pembenaan Yusof: Mr. Chairman, Sir, with your studio baharu dan tambahan alat permission, I propose to take both pemanchar baharu, maka siaran dari Heads 105 and 109 together. Radio Malaya sekarang ini alham dulillah bertambah baik. Tetapi, apa Sir, I beg to move that a token sum yang saya pandang yang patut di of $10 under Column 8 of the Supple perhatikan oleh Menteri yang berkenaan mentary Development Estimates, 1962, ia-lah siaran daripada bahasa Melayu, Head 105 and Sub-head 17-Re sa-hinggakan pada masa sekarang ini creational Facilities in Kuala Lumpur saya dapati siaran-nya sangat lemah area, be approved. tentang kekuatan suara-nya di-banding Honourable Members will bear with kan dengan siaran daripada bahasa me the necessity to create this new yang lain. Mithal-nya di-Kuala Lumpur, Sub-head 17, namely, Recreational kita mendengar siaran daripada Facilities in Kuala Lumpur area. As gelombang sederhana dalam bahasa we all know, the Federal Capital of Melayu dengan siaran dalam bahasa Kuala Lumpur has been the Mecca of China atau Tamil, maka kita dapati sporting and athletic activities not only siaran dalam bahasa Melayu lebeh lemah in Malaya but also throughout the South daripada siaran bahasa yang lain. Demi East Asian countries. There is, therefore, kian juga siaran yang menerusi gelom need to extend the present recreational bang pendek. Mithal-nya di-Pantai facilities with the increase in population, Timor negeri Kelantan khas-nya, kalau prestige and importance of the Federal kita dengar lebeh kuat siaran gelombang Capital. Additional facilities are there pendek -bahasa Melayu daripada pan- fore required to meet this demand. 887 26 JUNE 1962 888 It is not possible at present to state Enche' Zulkiftee bin Muhammad: the detailed requirements of the various Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam Kepala recreational facilities as it will take a Kechil 17, Menteri Muda Yang Ber great deal of time to put up the initial hormat telah memberikan penerangan schemes and projects which we have in bahawa kemudahan2 hiboran akan di mind. However, a token vote of $10 is ranchangkan atau di-adakan di-Kuala now asked for to enable this Govern Lumpur, ini memandang kapada ke ment to commence with the preparation majuan2 di-Kuala Lumpur ini sa-bagai and investigation of the various projects. tempat tumpuan dari daerah2 lain. Waiau bagaimana pun, Tuan Yang di Sir, under Head 109-Housing, Sub Pertua, Menteri Yang Berhormat itu head 4-Low Cost Ho.using, the original tidak dapat menerangkan dengan jelas provision of $4. 785 million as shown in ranchanganitu satu persatu di-atas token Column 6 of the Supplementary Deve vote $10 itu. Yang saya minta supaya lopment Estimates, 1962, for low cost di-perhatikan oleh Kementerian ini ia housing projects to be carried out in lah bahawa Kuala Lumpur ini mem 1962, now appears to be inadequate for punyai daerah2 yangjauh2 yang berhajat the following reasons: kapada di-sebarkan kemudahan2 hi (i) This provision was meant not boran di-tempat2 yang tersebut. Kita only to meet low cost housing ada kawasan2 kampong saperti Kam schemes for 1962 but also to pong Baharu, Kampong Dato' Keramat, meet the balance of payment in Pantai Valley dan di-jalan Kajang dan respect of 1961 low cost saya berharap supaya kawasan2 ini di housing schemes. berikan layanan kemudahan2 yang baik. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berharap (ii) Honourable Members will be supaya jangan-lah Kerajaan menulong interested to know that there atau membuat kemudahan2 kapada were nine low cost housing tempat2 yang besar sahaja tetapi hendak schemes which were approved lah di-buat di-tempat2 yang jauh2. and carried out in 1961 and Kalau di-pandang saperti Kampong the sum involved was $9.094 Baharu kapada mereka di-tempat ini million. Against this amount patut-lah mendapat kemudahan2 hi and in accordance with Loans boran · kerana daerah yang dekat ini Agreements executed between ada-lah lebeh menafa'at lagi. Jadi, the Federal Government and apa yang saya minta ia-lah hal ini State Government or Local di-perhatikan. Authorities, as the case may be, a sum of $6.53 million was Che' Khadijah binti Mohd. Sidek released in 1961. The balance (Dungun): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di of $2.56 million will be dis dalam soal ini saya suka beruchap bursed this year. sadikit di-Kepala 109 dalam hal pe (iii) In 1962, fourteen new low cost rumahan. Tadi, Yang Berhormat housing projects totalling $8.9 Menteri. Muda ada menerangkan perun million were approved and will tokan yang di-minta pada hari ini ia-lah be carried out this year. The kerana project yang lama, ada yang total provision required to belum siap lagi dan juga untok project finance both the 1962 projects yang baharu. Di-dalam project yang and further payment to be lama saya suka membawa perhatian made in respect of 1961 projects Yang Berhormat itu kapada ranchangan amounted to $12.785 million as rumah murah di-buat di-negeri Johor shown in Column 7. di-kampong Majeedi Baharu. Di~sana di-buat dua ranchangan, ranchangan Since the provision for 1962 has yang pertama .dan ranchangan. yang -proved to be inadequate to meet these kedua. Ranchangan yang pertama sudah commitments it is now necessary for a beberapa tahun di-diami oleh orang2 supplementary provision amounting to tetapi jalan untok masok ka-rumah2 .$8 million as shown in Column 9 be itu maseh tanah merah lagi. Sedangkan made available to this Ministry. project yang kedua sudah di-siapkii.n 889 26 JUNE 1962 890 rumah2-nya dan sudah siap dengan Kementerian saya dan saya juga akan jalan yang bagus yang pakai minyak menguruskan kapada Kerajaan Negeri tar, tetapi ada juga di-antara rumah2 supaya mengambil langkah sa-berapa baharu itu yang tidak ada jalan sa segera mengadakan jalan2 di-kawasan2 bagaimana rumah2 lain yang tidak ada yang belum ada jalan atau pun jalan2 jalan bertar. merah itu di-perbaiki dan di-perelokkan Dan di-tilek pula kapada project lagi. Berkenaan dengan memileh pen di-Tampoi rumah2 baharu itu juga dudok rumah2 murah itu ada-lah tang dengan jalan yang bagus dan telah gong-jawab Kerajaan Negeri dan shor di-diami di-bahagikan kapada orang2 atas soal ini juga akan di-timbangkan. yang memerlukan-nya. Jadi, saya minta Question put, and agreed to. kapada Kementerian yang berkenaan kalau-lah kewangan ini di-peroleh The sum of $10 under Column 8 for nanti supaya project yang di-siapkan Head 105 and the sum of $8,000,000 itu jalan2 merah yang berlekok2 itu under Column 9 for Head 109 agreed to dapat di-perbaiki dan di-samakan stand part of the Development (Supple supaya mereka2 yang dudok dalam mentary) (No. 1) Estimates, 1962. kawasan itu tidak merasa bahawa Head _ Kerajaan kita berlaku tidak sama rata 114 kapada keselurohan orang2 yang men- Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr. Chairman, dapat rumah2 itu. Jadi, kalau rancha- Sir, I beg to move that expenditure ngan yang kedua itu yang sa-bahagian amounting to $11,S06,020 for Head 114, rumah2 itu maseh juga tiada mendapat Federation Armed Forces, be approved. jalan2 ya~g b~k, say::i- berharap kapada Sir, with the exception of one Sub mereka. 1tu JUga di-samakan dengan head, that is Sub-head 64, all the yang lam. supplements sought for the Armed Tuan Yang di-Pertua, project yang Forces are to provide for continuation kedua ia-lah di-Majidi Baharu, saya projects. I therefore propose to be as minta kerana banyak orang2 yang brief as possible in my explanation of mengkehendaki rumah itu sudah each of the items of the proposals merasa gelisah, sedangkan rakan2 di- included. Tampoi sana beberapa bulan dahulu telah mendudoki rumah itu dan mereka As Honourable Members see from maseh belum dapat giliran-nya lagi. the Estimates, a number of the proposals Saya harap kapada Kementerian ini relate to building projects of the Army. hendak-lah di-segerakan supaya mereka2 I refer to the first four Sub-heads of the itu mendudoki rumah2 itu. Kerana Estimates and Sub-heads 27, 28, 32 mereka sangat ingin hendak mendudoki and 33. The funds which have been rumah2 itu, bagitu juga jalan2 merah allocated under these Sub-heads in the itu dapat di-perbaiki di-jadikan jalan 1962 Development Estimates have been bertar. enough to cover only the first half of the year. The money that Parliament is Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Mohamed now being asked to approve represents Yusof: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, atas soal the planned contractual commitments yang di-bangkitkan oleh Ahli Yang for the second half of 1962. Berhormat dari Bachok itu perkara ini memang di-ambit ingatan dan akan Supplements requested under Sub di-timbangkan. Ahli Yang Berhormat heads SS, 62 and 63 are to cover expen dari Dungun telah menarek perhatian diture during the second half of the year berkenaan dengan rumah mrirah dan to re-equip the Armed Forces with tentang jalan2 yang menggunakan tanah modem and suitable weapons in accor merah mengik.Ut Ahli Yang Berhormat dance with our planned programme, of itu ada sa-tengah2 tempat tidak ada which I have previously mentioned in jalan. Saya suka menerangkan soal this House. · · membuat jalai:t itu ia-lah tanggong Sub-head 64, which, as I have jawab Kerajaan negeri, bukan-lah Kera explained, is the only new item in the jaan Persek.Utuan. Sunggoh pun bagitu Estimates, is to meet a requirement for perkai'a ini ada•lah dalam perhatian new equipment, consisting of a fire 891 26 JUNE 1962 892 engine and some wireless and sundry estimate was prepared and the placing equipment for a Fire Fighting Unit at of the order for the aircraft, and from the Federation Armed Forces Canton rising costs in production. In addition, ment at Batu where valuable stores and new modifications have been found equipment are being kept and installed. necessary and have had to be incorpo The Cantonment is outside the area of rated during production. The additional responsibility of the Kuala Lumpur funds now requested relate to aircraft Municipality, but they have agreed to that have already been delivered in run the Fire Fighting Unit in the Malaya as well as those that are now in Cantonment on the condition that all the process of being delivered. expenses incurred in running it and in Sir, I beg to move. providing equipment for it are borne by the Federation Armed Forces. Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah (Kota Baharu Hilir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Now, Sir, under Sub-head 59 only saya bangun berchakap di-atas kepala a token provision of $10 was originally kechil 60 New Patrol Craft ia-lah entered in the Estimates. This was later peruntokan sa-banyak $3,700,000. Kita raised to $500,000. The Royal Malayan berasa puas hati bahawa yang Ke Navy has been operating for some time rajaan Persekutuan telah mula hen with inadequate spares backing at its dak memperbaiki dan memperkuatkan base in Singapore. It is also considered angkatan laut-nya, tetapi satu perkara necessary to improve the training facili yang saya suka hendak menarek pan ties in the base in the light of the com dangan Menteri Yang Berhormat missioning of more complex craft and bahawa wang yang banyak itu hendak equipment in the Royal Malayan Navy. lah di-dalam perbelanjaan-nya membeli For the purpose of improving this kapal2 atau patrol boat itu berjimat situation a sum of $499,990 is required, chermat sadikit. that is, to build a stock of spares and equipment to support the Navy and also Di-sini suka-lah saya menarek satu to provide facilities which would enable pandangan yang saya telah kemukakan training to be carried out in the use of dalam Rumah ini dalam persidangan more complex craft and equipment. sa-belum ini ia-itu Kerajaan telah menghabiskan atau telah membelanja Under Sub-head 60 a sum of $3.5 kan wang yang banyak untok di million was entered in 1962 for the pasang bilek sejok di-dalam kapal itu. purchase of new Patrol Craft, the first Dalam menjawab soalan yang telah saya of which was officially launched at kemukakan ini kapada Menteri Per Portsmouth by the wife of our High tahanan, Menteri Permhanan itu telah Commissioner in London on the 4th of memberi satu keterangan yang boleh this month. To quicken the delivery of di-anggap sa-bagai misleading ia-itu these crafts the production programme kenyataan tentang bilek sejok yang has been speeded up. Our contract with di-pasang dalam motor-boat itu ia-lah the builders specified that certain per untok menyejokkan bilek engine. Ini-lah centage payment should be made at kenyataan yang saya maseh ingat lagi the various stages of completion of the di-keluarkan oleh Menteri Pertahanan, programme. The additional sum of tetapi baharu2 ini ada di-siarkan dalam $3. 7 million is required to meet this surat khabar bahawasa-nya , ada-lah acceleration, bringing the 1962 expen motor-boat ini mempunyai bilek sejok diture up to $7.2 million. This figure bukan-lah untok menyejok engine yang includes an element for the purchase of panas bahkan memberi kesihatan dan spare gear which is required as essential kemudahan serta kesenangan yang lebeh backing for the craft when they become kapada pegawai2 yang bekerja dalam operational. motor-boat itu. Oleh sebab yang demi For the Roy.al Malayan Air Force kian saya minta kapada Menteri Per there is one Sub-head, namely, Sub tahanan menerangkan yang mana satu head 21. There is need for additional yang betul, ada-kah bilek sejok itu funds under this Sub-head as a result untok menyejokkan engine sa-bagai of an increase in the cost of aircraft mana yang di-kemukakan dalam Dewan between the time that the original ini, atau sa-bagai yang telah di-terang- ~ / ------~---' 893 26 JUNE 1962 894 kan atau pun di-siarkan dalam surat as the estimated expenditure for the khabar itu. year. This amount is wholly committed Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang and hence a supplement of $90,000 is di-Pertua, bagi menjawab pandangan required to construct a magazine, Ahli Yang Berhormat berkenaan dengan provide furniture and telecommuni kapa12 yang ada sekarang air-condition cation installations. This project is yang telah di-pakai khas untok me expected to be completed by the end of nyejokkan bilek2 dan tidak-lah ada bagi the year. kapa12 lama yang ada bilek sejok yang Sub-head 49-Modernisation and Re di-gunakan oleh pekerja2 dalam kapal conditioning of Inspectors, Rank and kita. File Quarters. Enche' Zulkiftee bin Muhammad: The estimated cost of this project is On a point of order-Standing Order 13. $1,250,000 which when spread out Ada-kah quorum Majlis ini chukup? over the five-year period averages (Division Bell rung. Committee coun $250,000 per annum. In 1961, the ted, and 26 Members being present, estimated expenditure was $181,618 proceedings resumed.) which meant there was a balance of $68,382. This balance is needed for the Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang 1962 phase of the project which when di-Pertua, saperti yang telah saya considered together with the annual terangkan tadi berkenaan dengan kapal average of $250,000 means that the yang ada sekarang ini ia-itu kapal provision for 1962 should be $318,382. lama tidak-lah ada bilek sejok bagi A sum of $300,000 was originally di-gunakan oleh pegawai2, kelasi2 atau entered in the 1962 Development pekerja2, akan tetapi kalau kapal baharu Estimates and hence in this supplement yang di-jalankan sekarang ini terang2 a sum of $18,382 is requested. This menggunakan kapal modern yang would mean that the expenditure for mengadakan bilek2 sejok. Jadi bilek2 1961 and 1962 will be half a million· sejok ini bukan-lah kerana mengikut ke dollars, as anticipated. · adaan masa dan kemajuan yang ada ini ia-itu kapal yang modern ini ada ke Sub-head 51-Quarters. mudahan bilek sejok, dan saya fikir The estimated cost of this project for sangat-lah patut di-biarkan atau di providing better quarters for members adakan kerana tujuan-nya ia-lah men of the rank and file, as entered in the yenangkan bagi pegawai2 dan juga Development Estimates, is $7 ,022,000. kelasi2 bagi menjalankan pekerjaan-nya The original provision for 1962 is itu. $1,711,000 andit is now reckoned by the Question put, and agreed to. Police that an additional $1.2 million is The sum of $11,506,020 for Head required as actual expenditure until the 114 agreed to stand part of the Develop end of 1962. However, only a sum of ment (Supplementary) (No. 1) Estimates, $166,618 has been provided in the 1962. supplement and this would be used to commence projects which are of the Head 118- highest priority. If the need arises to Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. Speaker, incur expenditure in excess of this, the Sir, I beg to move that the expenditure Treasury would be approached for an shown under Head 118 totalling advance from the Contingencies Fund. $500,000 be approved. The entire Sub-head 59-Bachelor Barracks, amount is for continuation projects in Canteen and Garages, Cameron High 1962. I will now proceed to give ex lands. planations on the individual items. It was originally estimated that this Sub-head 48-Contingent Police Head project would cost $50,000 and this quarters, Perak. provision was approved for 1962. It The estimated cost of this project is has now been found that the estimated $1,275,000. In the 1962 Development cost has risen by $25,000, hence the Estimates a sum of $700,000 was entered supplement of $25,000 asked for. 895 26 JUNE 1962 896 Sub-head 66-Federal Reserve Unit and last year and it is at present temporarily Field Force Buildings and Quarters. accommodated at the Petaling Jaya In the 1962 Estimates, a sum of Government Offices. A total of $140,000 $200,000 has been provided for buildings is required for the purchase of land, and quarters at Kulai and Kuantan works and buildings and machinery Police Field Force camps. The estimated equipment. A site has been earmarked cost of these quarters has increased to for the Centre, but it is not expected that $300,000. An additional sum of$100,000 work can be put in hand until 1963. The is also required for a contour survey of Centre, however, is proceeding on its land in Perak (2,000 acres of State work, and the purchase of certain land near Tanjong Rambutan) proposed machinery equipment as well as for the Police Field Force Headquarters demonstration and technical visual aid Cantonment and Training School in material is essential. A sum of $20,000 view of the proposed reorganisation will be required this year. Honourable and expansion of the Police Field Force. Members will note that a token vote of Thus supplementary funds required $10.00 was entered for this year in the amount to $200,000. Development Estimates. Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad Sub-head 9-For this item I need only (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya explain that this amount was provided in ingin mendapat keterangan yang lebeh the 1962 Estimates as a direct grant. It. laujut daripada Yang Berhormat has now been decided that the financial Menteri yang mengemukakan per aid in respect of the cannery should be untokan ini berkenaan dengan Sub treated as a loan and not as an outright head 59, yang di-katakan-nya ada-lah grant as earlier proposed. For this di-dapati pada masa itu di-anggarkan reason, the amount of $100,000 is $50,000 telah di-dapati berkehendakkan transferred from column 8 to column 9. lagi $25,000. Apa-kah benda-nya yang It is, therefore, not an additional· hendak di-buat? Perkara yang lain financial request. itu ada di-terangkan. Perkara ini tidak Sir, under Sub-head 12, I should like di-terangkan butir2-nya yang menye to explain that the words "Equipment babkan di-tambah $25,000. Reserve" appearing under this sub-head Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. Speaker, is a printing error. The title for this Sir, I am afraid the reason is the usual sub-head should actually read "Mills, reason that actual costs always have an Godown and Equipment for Govern unpleasant habit of being greater than ment Reserve Stock of Rice". the estimates. Sir, the Perak Government has agreed Enche' Zulkiflee: Tuan Yang di to hand over the rice-mills at Parit Pertua, ma'ana-nya, Menteri Yang Buntar, Bagan Serai and Telok Anson Berhormat itu tidak tahu. to the Federal Government. All these three mills are in a very bad state and Question put, and agreed to. must be renovated before they can be The sum of $500,000 for Head 118 put into use. The cost of rehabilitation agreed to stand part of the Development of these three mills would be of the (Supplementary) (No. l) Estimates, 1962. order of $2,816,300. For this year it is· proposed to rehabilitate the godowns, Head 121- mill buildings, roads, fencing, drains, etc. at Bagan Serai and Telok Anson for Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: which a sum of $1,042,000 is required. Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that the expenditure shown under Head 121 It is also proposed to build two new totalling $1,470,000 under column 8 and rice godowns at Arau and Malacca, the $100,000 under column 9 stand part of estimated cost of ·which is $858,000. the Development (Supplementary) Work cannot be completed this year, (No. 1) Estimates, 1962. but it is estimated that at least half of the work can be done, and a sum of Sir, under sub-head 8, the Industrial $408,000 is therefore required. . The Productivity Centre was set up in July godowns now in use at Arau are 897 26 JUNE 1962 898 insufficient for the purchase of padi in mengadakan mills khas-nya di-negeri this area. The godowns in Malacca Kelantan, dan juga mengadakan kilang belong to the State .Government and besar ia-itu satu jalan bagi mengadakan are also insufficient for our requirements. suatu darjah harga padi lebeh baik pada Sir, these mills and godowns are masa yang akan datang. Jadi negeri required for the Government Reserve Kelantan sa-bagai sa-buah negeri yang Stock of Rice Authority both as pur banyak menghasilkan padi, maka elok chasing centres for padi under the lah Kementerian ini memikirkan masa Government guaranteed price for padi alah mengadakan mills dan godown di and for the storage of Government rice, Kelantan; and in the case of Bagan Serai and Telok Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan Anson for milling padi. The use of these Pengerusi, saya menguchapkan terima godowns for storage will enable savings kaseh kapada Yang Berhormat dari to be made on rented godowns of Pasir Puteh di-atas perkara yang di $160,000 per annum and on transport chakapkan-nya itu, dan saya akan charges of about $180,000 per annum. mengambil ingatan. At present uneconomic transport is Question put, and agreed to. incurred due to the necessity to trans port all purchases from the Krian area The sum of $1,570,000 for Head 121 to godowns in the Prai/Butterworth agreed to stand part of the Development area, owing to the lack of godowns in (Supplementary) (No. 1) Estimates, the Krian area. Similarly, uneconomic 1962. transport charges are incurred for transporting Telok Anson production of Head 122- rice to the Federal godowns in the Kuala The ~istant Minister of Education Lumpur area. Control of the Telok (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Anson mill by the Government Reserve Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to present the Stock Authority will enable production Development (Supplementary) (No. 1) to be sold locally from the mill. The sum Estimates, 1962, for Head 112 as shown required may appear large, but this is in Command Paper No. 17of1962. because. during the period of the. us~ of Honourable Members will recall that the Par1t Buntar. and Ba~an Serai mills, Parliament agreed to provide $41 there. has been little m:untenance done, million to my Ministry in the main .and m order to proVI~e storage of a Development Estimates in January this good standar~ a C?ns1derable amount year. The projects represented by that of !econstru~tion "'.ill have to be done. sum have nearly all been successfully This expenditure will, however, pr~vent launched and a large scale intensive any further w~stage of valuable national construction programme is in progress ass~ts an~ will eventually be offset by throughout the country. As the bulk of sav1!1gs m cash and also greater the funds already voted are already efficiency .. A sum of .$1,100,000 n.ow fully contractually committed, I wish to asked for 1s for the urgent construction ask for the release of a further $7 of t_hese ~wo new godowns at Arau, million in order that we may carry Perhs, which cost $108,000 and ¥.ala~a through all exixting projects to comple $300,000 and also for the.rehabilitation tion and, secondly, so that we may of t~e godowns and mills at Bagan launch as many additional new projects Sera1 and Telok Anson. as possible during the remainder of 1962. Sir, I beg to move. Sir, I would have liked to ask for Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: more, but we must ·keep within our Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak works capacity and I cannot further berchakap berkenaan dengan Kepala overburden the existing Architect's Kechil 12. Mengikut keterangan Yang Division of the Ministry or the Public Berhormat Menteri tentang ada-nya Works Department. They are already mills dan godown yang di-adakan itu working extremely hard despite some sangat-lah baik. Tetapi saya minta staffing limitations. It is, of course, Yang Berhormat Menteri chuba meng- essential that we should increase our kaji dan memikirkan kemungkinan overall works capacity so that schools 899 26 JUNE 1962 900 and teachers quarters and so forth may Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: spring up even faster. Honourable Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan Members will recall that I informed the peruntokan supaya mendirikan sa-buah House in January this year that we are College Islam yang baharu di-Petaling conducting experiments with pre-fabri Jaya tidak di-masokkan di-dalam per cated class rooms and quarters, and mintaan ini kerana perbinchangan ber these are still proceeding. It is premature kenaan dengan memberi bantuan to announce fuller details of our pre kapada Majlis College Islam ini dan fabrication plans, but I hope in the near juga dengan pehak yang bertanggong future a pilot scheme for pre-fabrication jawab University Tanah Melayu belum will be launched concentrating upon sampai lagi. Jadi, apabila sampai, hal class rooms in the rural areas and itu di-harapkan bahawa bantuan ini quarters for rural teachers. I hope that akan dapat di-masokkan dalam tahun this will help us to speed up construction. 1963. Mr. Chairman, Sir, the amount1 now Berkenaan dengan permintaan bagi ask as a supplementary estimate is hostel di-Zainab School di-Kota Bahru modest indeed compared with our sa-bagaimana yang telah di-terangkan known needs. It will be concentrated oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda upon the six Sub-heads shown in the Pelajaran tadi bahawa permintaan yang Command Paper and the purpose of di-mintakan ini kebanyakan-nya ada each is evident from the title of the Sub lah hendak menyiapkan pekerjaan2 yang head concerned. sudah di-jalankan dan yang ada sadikit2 Sir, I beg to move that the expenditure sahaja project yang baharu. Permintaan shown under Head 112 totalling $7 berkehendakkan asrama bagi Sekolah million be approved. Zainab ini akan di-timbangkan bagi Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: tahun 1963. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya, pertama Che' Khadijah binti Mohd. Sidek: sa-kali hendak bertanya kapada Yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga suka Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran ini, kenapa berchakap sadikit berkenaan dengan tidak ada dalam Peruntokan Tambahan Kepala Kechi! 12 tentang hal rumah ini suatu estimate kerana bangunan tumpangan anak2 sekolah. Pada masa2 College Islam sa-bagaimana yang di yang lalu saya telah pun merayu kapada janjikan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran pada masa yang sudah2 di-Rumah yang supaya di-adakan satu rumah tumpan mulia ini. Sampai bila-kah janji untok gan di-Dungun bagi murid2 yang mengadakan bangunan baharu bagi datang jauh2 daripada Dungun. Saya College Islam itu yang merupakan berharap mudah2an di-dalam pro istana impian bagi pelajar2 itu, dan gramme ini termasok-lah hendak-nya sampai bilakah janji2 itu dapat di salah sa-buah asrama murid2 di-Dungun buktikan dengan kenyataan, ini ini. mudah2an dapat Menteri Yang Ber Kepala Kechi! 3-Secondary Schools hormat itu memberikan kenyataan. Programme, saya suka bertanya kapada Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian yang berkenaan, pada saya hendak berchakap berkenaan de masa yang silam biasa-nya murid2 ngan Kepala Kechil 12 ia-itu-lah dalam dari Seltolah Melayu di-pileh untok ranchangan rumah tumpangan bagi per memasoki Special Malay ·Class, dan sekolahan. Di-negeri Kelantan ada sa murid2 ini apabila dia sudah terpileh buah sekolah besar ia-itu Zainab School, ka-sekolah yang sa-rupa itu tiba2 dia di-Kota Bahru, sampai sekarang ini di-masokkan dalam Form I-dia di permintaan-nya untok mengadakan terima masok ka-sekolah memengah hostel itu-rumah tumpangan, belum itu tetapi di-sana sekarang mereka di-tunaikan lagi oleh pehak Kemen di-kenakan bayaran. Pada masa dahulu terian. Mudah2an saya berharap-lah kalau mereka sudah masok ka-Special di-dalam estimate yang di-hadapan kita Malay Class maka mereka terus tidak sa-banyak $600,000 ini termasok satu kena bayar sampai habis. Jadi, saya suka daripada-nya bangunan hostel yang mendapat penjelasan yang terang dari terse but. pehak Menteri yang berkenaan sebab 901 26 JUNE 1962 902 banyak lagi ibu bapa yang ragu2 di projects shown in the Development dalam soal ini, terima kaseh. Estimates, 1962, for the Department of Social Welfare are insufficient. Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan Under Sub-head 7, item (i), a pro asrama bagi sekolah di-Dungun itu vision of $50,000 is requested to enable akan di-timbangkan dengan permintaan2 the completion of the Kuala Kangsar yang lain. Children's Home. This sum is provided by virement from Sub-head 12. The Berkenaan dengan murid2 Melayu supplements requested under Sub-heads yang masok ka-Special Malay Class 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 17 and 18 are to yang belum meningkat ka-peringkat enable undertakings of commitments in Form I di-kehendaki bayar, ini ada-lah respect of these projects this year. It di-kehendaki membayar school fee. should be noted that there is a change lni ada-lah dasar yang telah di-perse of title of Sub-heads 14 and 15 which tujukan oleh Dewan ini ia-itu kalau are now combined as "Rehabilitation sa-saorang pelajar di-dalam Sekolah Centre for the Physically Handicapped, Menengah Jenis Kebangsaan ia-itu Cheras" now listed as Sub-head 14. yang menggunakan bahasa Inggeris This followed the re-examination of the sa-bagai bahasa penghantar maka kena original proposals in the light of lah dia membayar wang sekolah. Tetapi subsequent developments which pointed jika dia berkehendakkan pelajaran to the necessity of combining as one the menengah perchuma, dia boleh-lah di projects originally listed under Sub hantar ka-Sekolah Menengah Kebang heads 14 and 15 on account of their saan. lni ada-lah sesuai bagi perkem close physical and functional relation bangan pelajaran bahasa kebangsaan. ship. This combined project will now be Mr. Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, sited at Cheras. This modification will saya suka mengingatkan di-bawah Fasal result in considerable economy in 67 (5) yang berbunyi: expenditure and greater administrative efficiency. It should also be noted that "Perbathan atas Rang Undang2 Perbekalan Tambahan dalam Jawatan-Kuasa Perbekalan in spite of the increase in cost of the hendak-lah terhad kapada butir2 yang terkan various projects, the aggregate provision dong dalam anggaran .•.. " in the Second Five-Year Development Saya tidak hendak menghilangkan masa Estimates available for the Ministry of Majlis ini kerana sudah dua perkara Health and Social Welfare will not saya diamkan tadi, perkara itu tidak thereby be exceeded. kena-mengena langsong. Jadi, saya Question put, and agreed to. berharap-lah supaya masa Majlis ini The sum of $90 for Head 124 agreed to jangan di-hilangkan. Hendak-lah per stand part of the Development (Supple bahathan itu di-tujukan khas kapada mentary) (No. 1) Estimates, 1962. peruntokan yang ada di-hadapan kita ini untok di-luluskan perbelanjaan-nya. Head 125- Question put, and agreed to. The Minister of Labour (Enche' The sums of $7,000,000 for Head 122 Bahaman): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to agreed to stand part of the Development move that the expenditure shown under (Supplementary) (No. 1) Estimates, Head 125, Sub-head 10, totalling $10 1962. under Column 8 be approved. Sir, when this House approved the Head 124- .sum of $68,000 for the building of the Rawang Labour Office, it was considered The Minister of Health and Social that this sum would be sufficient to meet Welfare (Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari): the cost of the building site .works, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the approach roads and furniture. However, expenditure shown under Head 124 it has now been found that the approach totalling $90 be approved. Sir, on roads and site works would cost more account of the rise in costs (land and and that an extra $4,000 will be required constructional), it has been found that for the purchase of office furniture and the provisions approved for the various a safe. A token vote of $10 is provided. 903 26 JUNE 1962 904 Sir, I beg to move that this sum be kaseh kapada pehak Kementerian ini agreed to. kerana mengadakan peruntokan tamba Question put, and agreed to. han yang demikian banyak, akan tetapi perkara yang saya rninta Kementerian The sum of $10 for Head 125 agreed to ini mengambil perhatian berat ia-lah stand part of the Development (Supple chara2 melaksanakan tugas2 Kemente'7 mentary) (No. I) Estimates, 1962. rian dalam mana2 negeri juga soal mengeluarkan bantuan2 bagi menyedia Head 126 and Head 127- kan atau menyiapkan ranchangan2 The Assistant Minister of Rural kechil bagi Kemajuan Pembangunan Development (Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid Luar Bandar ini. Di-negeri Kelantan, bin Awang Osman): Tuan Yang di Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada beberapa Pertua, saya rninta kebenaran untok ranchangan2 kechil untok Kementerian rnernbentangkan Kepala 126 dan 127 rnengadakan sendiri dengan tidak mela di-bawah Kementerian Pembangunan lui Jawatan-Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Luar Bandar dan 1Ilenchadangkan Bandar Negeri atau pun Jawatan-Kuasa supaya wang sa-banyak 1,910,980 Pembangunan Luar Bandar Jajahan. ringgit menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Kemudian-nya ranchangan itu di-hulor schedule. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ber kan bagitu sahaja dengan merninta kenaan dengan Kepala Kechi! 17 (ii) supaya di-laksanakan. Hal ini Jawatan Minor Rural Development Schemes, Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar wang sa-banyak 1.5 juta rninta di Negeri memandang satu perkara yang luluskan untok menambahkan per berat dan langkah saperti ini sa-bagai untokan bagi menyudahkan segala satu langkah yang melanggar peratoran ranchangan2 kechil yang sedang di biasa dan sa-bagai satu langkah yang jalankan. salah, saperti tidak hendak merninta kerajasama Jawatan-Kuasa Pembangu Berkenaan dengan sub-head 19 nan Luar Bandar Negeri. Pada hal National Zoological Park, atau dalam bagaimana yang di-nyatakan oleh Men bahasa Melayu Taman Binatang, sa teri Pembangunan Luar Bandar meletak benar-nya pada keselurohan-nya wang kan kesalahan2 ka-atas Jawatan-Kuasa sa-banyak 1,257,000 ringgit di Pembangunan Luar Bandar Negeri di kehendaki bagi menyiapkan Park ini Kelantan khas-nya. Jadi, Tuan Yang supaya dapat di-bukakan kapada orang di-Pertua, hal ini patut-lah di-fikirkan ramai pada awal tahun 1965. Tetapi bagi masak2 oleh pehak yang berkenaan perbelanjaan 1962 hanya 495,000 jangan-lah salah kita tidak nampak ringgit di-kehendaki. dan salah orang sadikit sahaja kita Berkenaan dengan sub-head 10 Office nampak dan besar2kan. and Equipment 5,000 ringgit di kehendaki untok membayar harga tanah · Kemudian, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok office atau pejabat di-Tapah, dan Jawatan-Kaasa Pembangunan Luar ~.000 ringgit untok office di-Kuala Bandar Negeri Kelantan saya salah Lumpur ia-lah bagi membeli alat perka sa-orang anggota-nya telah meluluskan kas sahaja. Sub-head 11, Trengganu satu chadangan menguchapkan terima Mineral Survey wang token vote sahaja kaseh pehak Kementerian yang melulus di-kehendaki untok mengadakan pen kan sa-jumlah peruntokan wang bagi yiasatan2 terlebeh dahulu daripada mem negeri Kelantan untok ranchangan ke bukakan ranchangan2 tanah di-sana. chil kemajuan luar bandar di-kampong2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan ini dan menyatakan bahawa Jawatan-Kuasa benarkan saya mengusulkan supaya Pembangunan Luar Bandar tidak-lah Kepala 126 dan 127 di-luluskan. puas hati untok melakukan sa-barang kerja yang di-tunjokkan oleh Kernen Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: terian di-tempat2 yang tertentu dengan Tuah Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak kerja2 yang tertentu oleh kerana kerja2 berchakap atas Kepala 126 dan 127 di-tempat2 itu tidak pemah pun melalui ia-itu ranchangan2 kechil untok kema kelulusan Jawatan-Kuasa Pembangunan juan luar bandar di-kampong2. Saya Luar Bandar Negeri atau pun Jawatan berchakap ia-lah menguchapkan terima Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar 905 26 JUNE 1962 906 Jajahan maka di-minta izin oleh Jawa Question ·put, and agreed to. tan-Kuasa ini supaya wang itu di The sum of $1,900,950 for Head 126 serahkan kapada urusan Jawatan-Kuasa and the sum of $10,030 for Head 127 Pembangunan Luar Bandar Negeri bagi agreed to stand part of the Development merientukan sa-sudah di-siasat di-kaji (Supplementary) (No. 1) Estimates, sama ada wang itu dapat di-teruskan 1962. mengikut project di-ambil oleh pehak Kementerian itu jika tidak menasabah Heads 130, 131, 132, 133 and 135- wang itu boleh di-gunakan untok project2 yang lain yang di-fikirkan The Minister of Agriculture and Co menasabah oleh pehak Jawatan-Kuasa operatives (Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak): Pembangunan Luar Bandar Jajahan Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that a.tau Jawatan-Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Heads 130, 131, 132, 133 and 135 be Bandar Negeri. Sebab dalam mana2 approved. Sir, I do not propose to give negeri pun ini-lah saloran yang sah bagi details of the projects embodied under melaksanakan tugas2 project Pemban these Heads, as all these are continuation gunan Luar Bandar di-seluroh Perseku projects. I am ready to give further tuan ini. Jadi, manakala hal itu telah details if asked for. berlaku kemudian baharu2 ini saya Sir, I beg to move. di-beritahu bahawa wang2 yang telah di-untokkan oleh pehak Kementerian Che' Khadijah binti Mohcl. Sidek: atas kekurangan wang atas sa-bahagian Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam bahagian wang yang di-untokkan di-dalam ran ini saya suka beruchap sadikit ia-itu changan kechil di-dalam Pembangunan Head 130, sub-head 43-Coconut Reha Luar Bandar yang di-kemukakan oleh bilitation and Replanting. Dalam soal pehak Kementerian tidak melalui Jawa ini saya dapati banyak orang2 kampong tan-Kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar yang menanam kelapa maseh dalam Negeri itu telah di-tarek pula oleh kesusahan, kerana di-serang oleh kum pehak Kementerian dengan tidak mahu bang2 kelapa atau ulat2 kelapa. Jadi, apa2 alasan yang tertentu. pada suatu hari saya berjalan di-sabuah kampong di-mana ada orang2 yang Ini saya pandang ada-lah satu kerja menanam pokok kelapa dan mereka yang main2 sa-bagai satu kerja yang menyatakan bahawa banyak pokok2 bersifat ka-anak2an dalam melaksana kelapa yang baharu di-tanam itu telah kan sa-suatu ranchangan yang besar mati di-makan oleh ulat. Saya bertanya bagi satu2 tujuan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kapada mereka: mengapa-kah tuan2 telah beberapa kali Kementerian ini tidak pergi ka-Pejabat Tanaman untok menudoh yang Kerajaan Kelantan telah meminta tolong di-beri ubat supaya menggunakan sentiment politik dalam ulat2 itu dapat di-matikan, dan dengan menghadapi kerja kebajikan dengan yang demikian pokok2 kelapa itu dapat muslihat ra'ayat, tetapi temyata tudohan hidup dengan subur. Oleh itu, saya saperti itu kembali kapada pehak Ke minta supaya Kementerian yang ber menterian Luar Bandar sendiri. Saya kenaan mengusahakan ubat yang bagus, berharap dalam ranchangan luar bandar dan barangkali kalau di-beri ubat yang pada masa akan datang, mudah2an bagus mungkin buah2..nya pun bagus. dapat di-adakan kerjasama yang rapi, Saya mengharapkan supaya Kemente dan mudah2an berlaku-lah kerja2 ini rian ini mengambil peruntokan untok dengan betul mengikut kaedah yang menchari ubat yang betu12 dapat mem di-amalkan oleh Yang Berhormat Men basmikan ulat kelapa sa-hingga pokok2 teri dengan jujur oleh jabatan atau kelapa itu dapat hidup dengan subur Kementerian-nya bagi kemajuan negeri nya. ini. Enche' Mohd. Asri bin Haji Muda: Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin Awang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak Osman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi berchakap sadikit sahaja ia-itu Kepala menjawab Ahli Yang Berhormat dari 130, Kepala Kechil 5-Extension to the Pasir Puteh, saya uchapkan terima Co-operative College and Quarters. kaseh dan tegoran2-nya itu akan di Sa-benar-nya ini ada satu perkara yang ambil ingatan. saya rasa hendak saya terangkan ber- 907 26 JUNE 1962 908 hubong dengan pelajaran yang di yang ada mempunyai kebun kelapa adakan di-Co-operative College itu hendak-lah bertemu dengan Pegawai terutama tentang perkara amanah. Saya Perta:nian Tempatan untok mendapat berharap Yang Berhormat Menteri ini ubat. elok-lah dia mengambil perhatian yang Berkenaan dengan pertanyaan Yang berat supaya keselamatan perjalanan Berhormat dari Pasir Puteh tentang badan sharikat kerjasama2 dapat ber kursus yang di-adakan di-Maktab Sha jalan dengan baik dan supaya mendapat rikat Bekerjasama itu memang-lah kur keyakinan baik dari ahli2 mahu pun sus itu meliputi juga jalan2 supaya dari orang ramai dan dengan yang semangat ta'at setia kapada rukun2 demikian soal amanah dan kerja2 itu sharikat bekerjasama di-terangkan. Ini patut-lah di-awasi. Satu penyiasatan ada-lah perkara yang lebeh mustahak yang terator dan satu penyiasatan yang lagi, dan pada masa ini semangat2 itu jujur kalau hendak di-lakukan di-mana2 dan juga bilangan orang2 yang kurang sahaja jabatan sharikat kerjasama, baik ta'at setia itu dari satu masa ka-satu pegawai2 sharikat kerjasama mahu pun masa ada-lah kurang apabila di-ban dalam pejabat2 Kerajaan atau terhadap dingkan dengan beberapa tahun dahulu orang ramai yang hendak di-lakukan sa-belum di-adakan kursus atas hal oleh Kementerian ini bagi memberi konsep pergerakan sharikat bekerja keyakinan terhadap kejujuran dan kea sama. Saya suka terangkan juga ada-lah manahan bagi satu2 badan sharikat tambahan maktab ini akan di-sediakan kerjasama dalam negeri ini. pada bulan October. Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang): Berkenaan dengan pertanyaan Yang Mr. Chairman, Sir, I also rise to speak Berhormat dari Rawang atas hendak on Head 130, sub-head 43, Coconut menanam sa-mula kelapa, ranchangan Rehabilitation and Replanting. I notice ini tidak-lah mengambil masa, kerana that under this sub-head although beneh dan baka kelapa yang baik $15,000,000 is being allotted to this hendak-lah di-chari, di-sediakan dan scheme in the original estimates, so far hendak-lah di-pelihara dahulu sa-belum very little has been spent. There is still kita hendak mulakan ranchangan me a balance of $14,000,000 not spent. In nanam sa-mula. Yang pertama kita these supplementary estimates, the first menyediakan kawasan sa-luas 50 ekar supplement for 1962, the amount that untok menanam beneh, jadi baharu is allotted is only $123,750-and even kita dapat kumpulkan dan daripada this we find that the whole thing is not kawasan itu-lah beneh kelapa akan to be spent without Treasury approval. di-hantar ka-kawasan lain. So, I think, this is the reason why so Penanaman sa-mula kelapa ini ada little coconut rehabilitation has been lah payah sadikit daripada getah, kerana done in this country; so much so that getah ada beneh yang sedia. ltu-lah in Malaya now we find that there is sebab-nya lambat, dan juga pehak not enough copra to meet the demand Treasury memang-lah hendak tahu juga of the market. If we were to compare supaya jangan wang itu di-belanjakan the actual amount that has been spent dengan gopoh-gapah, dan akhir-nya on coconut rehabilitation with the kita tidak dapat keselamatan atas amount that has been spent on re ranchangan kita itu. planting rubber and all that sort of things, we find that the difference is very Question put, and agreed to. great. I think the Government should The sum of $4,954,388 for Heads pay more attention to and spend more 130, 131, 132, 133 and 135 agreed to money on coconut rehabilitation and stand part of the Development (Supple replanting schemes. mentary) (No. 1) Estimates, 1962. Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: Tuan Pengerusi, bagi menjawab pertanyaan Heads 136, 137, 138, 139, 142 and 144- Yang Berhormat dari Dungun tentang The Minister of Works, Posts and kumbang, yang biasa di-katakan kum Telecommunications (Dato' V. T. bang jenis Badak yang menyerang Sambanthan): With your permission, pokok kelapa itu ada ubat-nya. Orang2 Sir, I would like to introduce all the 909 26 JUNE 1962 910 Heads in my portfolio-,Heads 136, considerable outcry about the remaining 137, 138, 139, 142 and 144 inclusive ferries at Marang and Losong. Funds at the same time. The total amount are, therefore, sought for the Marang asked for is $50,003,837 which will bridge which is estimated to cost allow projects already approved to $800,000 and an expenditure of $200,000 continue this year and issues which is estimated for this year. Another item have flowed from urgency to proceed included as new expenditure is the with new projects and schemes which Merchang Deviation. Merchang River could not wait for financial provisions now runs parallel with Route III for in next year's estimates. I do not wish approximately S! miles between Miles 26 to go into great detail over all the items, and 31 ! south of Kuala Trengganu. but I would like to highlight certain This five mile section is flooded annually facts. for sometimes as long as three weeks One of these is very good news. Due to to a depth of two to three feet. Even the excellent progress made in rural though all the ferries are eliminated on roads in 1961 and 1962, we have been this road, the road will be closed to able to exceed the original target and through traffic and the section must be it is expected that some 700 miles will improved. The total cost of construction be completed this year. It is therefore of this section to a higher level on a estimated that the total expenditure new alignment is estimated at $1 for 1962 will be in the region of $68 million. A sum of $70,000 is required million. This will mean, in effect, that in 1962 for investigations and survey. we would have completed the 1,200 This work together with ferry replace miles of rural roads envisaged in the ments constitute the total increase under Second Five-Year Plan by the first Sub-head 3. part of 1963-almost a full two years ahead of schedule. This has been pos I don't think it is necessary to give sible because of the excellent work done further details, and I· would like to by the members and staff of all ranks of follow the precept of my colleage the the Public Works Department who Minister of Agriculture and Co-opera have not spared their time and energy tives and say that should any particular and have inculcated in full the spirit of answers be required I am prepared to "semangat bahru", the willing manner in give them. I would, therefore, request, which they have put their shoulders Sir, that the sum of $50,003,837 be to the wheel, and the drive and in approved. spiration which stems from the leader ship of my Honourable colleague the Enche' V. David (Bungsar): Mr. Deputy Prime Minister. Chairman, Sir, on Head 136, Postal Services, I would like to bring to the One of the facts which the House, I notice of the Minister concerned the think, would be interested to know is deteriorating conditions of post offices that the ferry at Geliga, Kemaman, in this country, and particularly I would will be replaced this year as the bridge like to make reference to the Post Office will be completed this year, and that the at Kuala Lumpur which is supposed to one at Bukit Kuang is well under way be the General Post Office. We under for completion later. A start will be stand that as a result of bad ventilation made at Paka, which is the next ferry at and stuffiness within the post office, Route III to be replaced by a bridge. In there has been several cases of tuber view of this Sub-head 3 has been culosis. increased by $1 million. Included under this Sub-head is the proposal to replace Mr. Chairman, Sir, not only the the overloaded ferry at Maran by a General Post Office and the other post bridge . and tenders will be invited offices around Kuala Lumpur but the towards the end of the year. post offices in the rural areas are also Although the original Development without modern sanitation, which is a Plan included the provision of bridges requirement of present-day life. Some of for Geliga, Bukit Kuang, Paka and these post offices were built decades ago, Dungun, there has, however, been a and the one in Kuala Lumpur was 911 26 JUNE 1962 912 built when the town was so small and yang besar kerana membuat jalan raya when the postal service was not what it is ini, di-letakkan kesalahan itu kapada today. These post offices, except with Jawatan-Kuasa Pembangunan Luar minor changes and minor renovations, Bandar Negeri. Sebab chara2 atau did not have any major renovations or kaedah melakukan pekerjaan ini pada extensions within them, with the result fahaman saya ia-lah satu kaedah yang that when large number of workers are di-tentukan oleh pehak Kementerian employed in these post offices this has sendiri. Dan apakala pehak Kemen led to diseases, and I have known of a terian merasa tidak puas hati kaedah number ofcases of persons suffering from itu maka pehak Kementerian ini pula tuberculosis. The buildings are in such a lah menukar kaedah lain yang di bad condition that in one post office a fikirkan menasabah. Bahkan sa-masa Telecommunications employee fell from hendak menukarkan kaedah darip~da the roof and died while doing wiring. sewa mengikut jam kapada sewa mengi Mr. Chairman, Sir, all these are facts kut panjang pendek jalan itu pun, and I do not think the Minister could pehak Kementerian tidak mema'alum deny them. What I would require of the kan perkara itu kapada Jawatan-Kuasa Minister is to have some major renova Pembangunan Luar Bandar Negeri. tions to these post offices so that it would facilitate the employees to work in Satu lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, an atmosphere which will not lead saya suka menyatakan bagaimana chara2 them to sickness. I feel that the Minister pelaksanaan jalan di-lakukan dalam should take an interest in the conditions negeri Kelantan, umpama-nya membena of the General Post Office and other sa-batang jalan raya daripada bandar post offices around this town and in the Kuala Krai terus ka-Bukit Hantu ia-itu rural areas with a view to providing lah satu daripada project jalan raya better ventilation and other facilities to yang besar sa-kali dalam Persekutuan the staff working in these post offices. ini dalam mana dapat menyambong negeri Kelantan sampai ka-pantai barat Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda: dan sampai ka-Bukit Mertajam. Saya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak telah memerhatikan bahawa kerja2 berchakap atas Kepala 137, Kepala di-lakukan dengan sempurna sahaja Kechil 9 ia-itu-lah perkara ranchangan telah berlaku di-dalam kerja2 membuat jalan raya negeri dan kampong atau parit, letrik di-jalan tersebut. Dengan di-luar bandar. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak ada satu plan yang tertentu melakukan kerja2 pembangunan jalan dengan membiarkan pekerja2 meng raya di-luar bandar dan di-jalan raya gunakan jentera2 yang besar menembok negeri maka telah timbul pada masa tadi hutan2 yang tebal dengan tidak ada satu tentang soal alat2 jentera yang di-sewa arahan yang tertentu sa-hingga beberapa oleh pehak Kementerian dengan kira kali telah berlaku kejadian, beberapa jam dan sekarang ini telah di-tolak batu jalan itu sudah pergi, terpaksa balek dan akan di-kira sewa mengikut gostan balek menchari pangkal-nya contract-nya, mengikut panjang pendek sa-mula kerana silap jalan, terpaksa nya jalan raya itu. Saya suka bertanya pula buat jalan lain. Kadang2 apabila kapada Menteri Yang Berhormat ada sampai dua tiga batu kena pula kapada kah di-negeri2 lain telah melakukan tanah2 milek orang2 kampong. Perkara kerja2 contract dengan jalan mengikut ini jika di-kemukakan di-sini, harus jam dail jika sudah, telah-kah di pehak Yang Berhormat Menteri me berhentikan kerja2 saperti itu kerana ngatakan kenapa Jawatan-Kuasa Pem hendak di-tukarkan kapada chara con bangunan Luar Bandar Negeri tidak tract mengikut panjang pendek jalan mengambil tindakan. Sa-benar-nya, raya itu. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara saperti Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sangat-lah ini telah pun di-ma'alumkan dalam tidak puas hati apakala Menteri Pem Majlis Meshuarat Pembangunan Luar bangunan Luar Bandar telah meletakkan Bandar Negeri dan kapada pehak kesalahan dalam perkara kerugian Jurutera Negeri telah mema'alumkan pehak Kementerian atau kerugian Kera perkara ini dengan sa-benar-nya dan jaan kerana menyewa alatt jentera2 dia menyatakan perkara yang besar ~? 6, JI ·~ 913 ~ 26 JUNE 1962 914 ~ yang menyebabkan kejadian saperti dalam kaedah menyiapkan kedudokan 'I ini ia-lah kerana kurang kaki tangan speaker2 di-dalam tiapZ bahagian dewan 't·;l~ dan tidak chukup Engineer untok me· itu sa-hingga dengan keadaan2 demikian ~; ngawal dan menjaga sentiasa keadaan2 suara yang keluar saperti itu menjadi ··1'~ pekerja itu dan dia telah berjanji suara wajar yang dapat di-terima oleh ~~~ keadaan2 itu tidak akan berlaku lagi. telinga2 orang yang mendengar-nya. -~;, Dalam perkara ini, Tuan Yang di Enche' Zulkiflee- bin Muhammad: Pertua, tidak-lah kurang kejadian2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minta sa walau pun sadikit telah berlaku oleh dikit sahaja kapada Menteri Yang kerana tidak ada satu plan yang tertentu Berhorm~t menjawab soalan saya ini, ~ hanya memberi kuasa bekerja menem "ya" atau "tidak" berkenaan dengan '···..:.~1 bok hutan2 tebal dengan tidak ada satu contract. Kalau "tidak", saya hendak :.;~. arahan yang tertentu. Saya perchaya berchakap sadikit. Sebab tidak-lah "1 hal ini dapat di-kawal dengan baik menjadi kebiasaan bagi Parlimen ini dan pehak Kementerian ini dapat sa-saorang itu berchakap sa-sudah Men menjimatkan wang-nya lagi dan bukan teri menjawab tetapi dia boleh men "t sahaja wang-nya tetapi dapat menjimat jawab, "ya" atau "tidak", kalau kata kan masa dalam erti kata kerja pem nya, "ya", saya hendak berchakap. ~i benaan jalan raya itu akan dapat di KIIANG BAJA UREA DAN KERTAS social order, I feel that this ~lso demoralises and degrades the value of (Menarek Balek Usul) the workers by having daily-rated Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin Haji Arshad workers who are looked down upon (Kuala Trengganu Utara): Tuan Yang by the other workers, who are supposed di-Pertua, dengan pandangan yang luas to be white-collar workers. This dis dan progressive dan dengan tujuan crimination should be taken away from supaya memberi peluang bagi sementara our midst. So, for that very purpose ini dahulu kapada sharikat2 bekejasama I feel that workers, regardless of where kilang baja urea yang terma'alum they work and what work they do, bergerak dengan lebeh hebat dan should be brought under the same mengembangkan semangat kerjasama category as monthly rated workers, As yang lebeh besar di-kalangan ra'ayat, monthly rated workers they would sa-kali pun tidak mendapat bantuan dari also be entitled to have other benefits Kerajaan dan oleh kerana satu under the law. chadangan lain berkaitan dengan masa alah urea ini akan di-kemukakan dalam Sir, today the division bas become so sidang ini pada masa yang lain, maka great that the daily-rated workers have chadangan saya ini saya tarek balek. been looked down by the monthly rated workers as somewhat inferior, and the Government should take this DAILY-RATED SYSTEM OF into consideration and bring about a WAGES (ABOLmON) change, so that we do not have in our Enche' V. David: Mr. Speaker, Sir, midst two classes of workers but only I wish to move, a single class of workers. Further, this This House hereby resolves that the daily also weakens the trade unions. In the rated system of wages be abolished and the organisational structure of unions we monthly system of wages be introduced for all find monthly rated workers forming a workers who are on daily pay. different union and the daily-rated Mr. Speaker, Sir, there have been workers forming another type of union. considerable discussion and opinions We have a national union for daily expressed in the past regarding the rated workers and another for the abolition of the daily-rated system monthly rated workers. This reduces of wages. In the early days, the daily the strength of the bargaining power of rated system of wages existed in this workers, and you cannot eliminate that country to create class differences unless you have a single system of that is, one group of workers supposed employment and a single system where to be monthly rated workers, who all the workers are monthly rated were known as white-collar workers, workers. This will strengthen the trade and another group, the daily-rated union moveme11t. Major unions of the workers, who were manual workers and country have expressed the view that were treated as a different class-and in our social structure at the present as a result of this, today the class moment, it is evil to have the daily division between these two category rated system of employment, and they of workers has become stronger and have expressed the view that there stronger. should be a change brought about by the Government. So, in all sincerity, I Now, Sir, in view of new developments move this motion with the hope that in this country-and also in the present Government would consider this very day, we do not have immigrant labour- seriously. 1 feel that it is time we eradicate and eliminate this class division now existing Encbe' Liu Yoong Peng: Mr. Speaker, in our society. As workers, whether Sir, I beg to second the motion that they are white-collar workers or manual "This House resolves that the daily workers, they should be considered as rated system of wages be abolished and workers; and until and unless we take the monthly system of wages be intro way the system of daily-rated wages, duced for all workers who are on I am confident that this class division daily pay." Sir, we all know that this wiH exist. Mr. Speaker, Sir, in our system of daily pay is actually a remnant ~ ,49 26 JUNE 1962 950 of th! past when workers were treated Work will only be required of employees as slaves. They were just being used as during this period and this may last for tools for the benefit of employers. anything from a few days to a few weeks Now that we are living in modern at the most. Clearly here it will not society, we should consider all workers only be wasteful for the employer to as fellow men, who should have the same engage his workers on monthly rate . rights and privileges as enjoyed by all but it will not also benefit the workers as of us. payment has to be decided on output. Sir, these workers treated as daily• In a nutshell, the basis of remunera rated workers have no security. They tion for any work depends on whether can be summarily dismissed, sometimes it is possible to gauge the output by with not very good reasons; and they volume, etc., and on whether work is cannot demand fair and suitable wages, continuously required of the workers. because when they start to demand for These then, Sir, ate the considerations higher wages the employers can easily in determining whether the system of find a pretext to dismiss them. This is a employment should be daily-rated or known fact to everybody in this country. monthly-rated. They are essential So, I think the time has come when, for factors in considering the Honourable the welfare of the workers of our Member's motion. To abolish the daily country, we should put all on the basis of rated system and to convert all these monthly pay and provide them with workers, as asked for by the Honourable protection and security that is demanded mover of this motion, to monthly for the people in their class. Sir, I rated system is clearly not practicable. second the motion. It may perhaps be possible that some Enche' Bahaman bin SamSllcldin: groups of daily-rated workers can be Mr. Speaker, Sir, it seems that the converted into monthly-rated, but Mover of the motion and myself alone certainly not all daily-rated workers. debating on this matter of labour I would point out that any decision (Laughter). Mr. Speaker, Sir, the system on the part of the Government would, no of employment in any job depends ·on doubt, also have repercussions in the the nature and characteristic of the job, private sector. The Government has and not because of any class differences also received resolutions on this subject mentioned by the Honourable Member. from the Malayan Trade Union Where the hours of work or days of Congress, and I can assure _this House work can easily be measured in terms of that the Government is studying this output or volume and where the job is question and its full implications care not continuous, the daily-rated system or fully. It is not appropriate or possible piece rate system would be most appro for the Government at this stage to priate. If the monthly rated system is accept this motion to abolish the daily applied to this type of work, it would rated system (Applause.) mean an uneconomic use of men and resources. On the other hand, if we Mr. Speaker: Do you wish to reply? take the other kinds of work, such as, Encbe' V. David: Mr. Speaker, Sir, administration, executive and clerical especially in the case of Government work, these cannot be easily measured employees, the workers employed by the in terms of output for each worker. Railways and the workers employed by This type of work is necessarily irregular local governments, I don't find any and difficult to define in terms of output. difficulty in converting them into It would, therefore, be impossible in monthly-rated system. But the Govern these categories to determine the pay ment will have to set an example or ment of wages on the basis of hours of lead, as until such time private employers work. Here the monthly-rated system are not going to do it. It cannot of of wages would be more appropriate. course be done overnight, but the In certain industries certain jobs Government must at least make an performed can only be considered on attempt to introduce the monthly piece rates. For instance, in a rice mill it rated system for the daily-rated workers depends on the seasonal supply of padi. they employ in large numbers. As far as 951 26 JUNE 1962 952 I know, there are about 65,000 daily Mr. Speaker: Honourable Members~ rated workers employed by the Govern the Honourable Enche' . V. David ment. As a first step if the Government wishes to withdraw the motion in the could introduce the monthly-rated Order Paper and the notice of motion system for these workers, well then in the Order Paper is accordingly con definitely through the trade unions and sidered as withdrawn pursuant to. the various organisations we may be Standing Order 29; a note to that effect able to bring effective pressure on the will be entered in the Votes an4 private employers to introduce monthly Proceedings. rates system for their workers too. ADJOURNMENT SPEECH .I can say that only in the case of seasonal employments like harvesting (Postponement) i and in the cultivation of padi and other Mr. Speaker: (ToEnche' TanPhockKin)! crops will there be any difficulty in Have you agreed to postpone your introducing the monthly-rated system. adjournment speech to some other time 1 But· other than seasonal employment, Enche' Tail Phock Kin: Yes, I agr~ in all other industries .it is possible to do that. I have been informed by to have a monthly-rated system of the Honourable Minister of Works; wages. So I don't see any reason why Posts and Telecommunications that it the Government cannot concede to it. is not possible for the proper person to Maybe there are other factors of which reply to me and I have agreed to post;.; I do not know. However, I believe that pone it. . the Government will take this with a serious view in view of the resoiutions Mr. Speaker: To the next meeting?.; by the trade unions which have expiessed Eadae' Tan Phock Kin: Yes. deep concern over the existence of the daily-rated system, which not only affect trade unions but they feol that ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE it is also a social evil. Thank You. · (Motion) Question put, and negatived. Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: I .beg to, move- INVESTMENT OF FUNDS OF THE That the motion adjourning the House at its EMPLOYEES' PROVIDENT FUND rising this day to Thursday, 28th June, 1962, bo rescinded, and that the House do stand (Withdrawal of Motion) adjourned sine tb. Enche' V. David: Mr. Speaker, Sir, Dato' Sardon bin Haji Jubir: I beg to· I would like to withdraw the motion second the motion. standing in my name in the Order Question put, and agreed to. Paper and bring it up again at a later date. .Adjourned at 6.20 p.m.