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PRESENT: Councilmember Michael J. Molina, Chair Councilmember Joseph Pontanilla, Vice-Chair (Arr v :0 . . Councilmember Michelle Anderson, Member (Arr v :0 . . Councilmember Gladys C. Baisa, Member Councilmember G Riki Hokama, Member (Arr v 4:0 p. . Councilmember Jo Anne Johnson, Member Councilmember Danny A. Mateo, Member Councilmember Bill Kauakea Medeiros, Member Councilmember Michael P. Victorino, Member
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ADMIN.: Jeffrey Hunt, Director, Department of Planning Ann Cua, Planner, Department of Planning James A. Giroux, Deputy Corporation Counsel, Department of the Corporation Counsel
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th f t b f r n n d d p n n . S n th t I v t th t ff h t, M b r , l t pr d.
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x t n M n rth G lf C r t ll th n th St t A r lt r l tr t. h K h M n C n t l n d n t th r nt v r l d n t n : r , r G lf C r , S n l l , M lt l , n C r l, nd t l. Ex t n z n n n th pr p rt n t f v r z n n d tr t : A r lt r r G lf C r nd Op n Sp Op n n A nd A 2 Ap rt nt , 2, nd d nt l n rt M t l nd SW f r th d n t n f th M n S r t nt l nt.
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I nt t , th n xt pl f l d r p . h f r t n th K h M n C n t l n p, nd I nt n d f , pl f n t , th K h M n C n t l n h r d n t n, ll th . . . h t K nd K 4 I rr , K G lf C r lf r . h n h v S n l l h h , h ld b ll b t I n t l nd f r n h, nd M lt l , h h th r n . n C r l r d, nd t l r th br n p r l . S th th x t n K h M n C n t l n p th t d pt d b th C nt C n l n 8. h l p t z n n p. I h v f r th C n l M b r x p f th p h h th l r r r v br nt. h f r t d n t n n bl I rr , h d v l p d r h r n Ch n n n n pr p d. S nd r th p n h r , h r , h r , v nt r h r n z n n , Ch n n n n pr p d. And th n h v r n, h h d v l p d r . I rr , I nn t th . t t rt ll v r. I n t th l r v r ll n th r n, I rr . Y h. O . h f r t d n t n th r n nd th r pr nt d v l p d r h r n z n n h n pr p d, nd th t n t f ppr x t l 2 .24 r . h n xt th ll h h r v nt r h r n z n n pr p d, nd th t n t f 2 . 46 r . h th rd bl , th th d v l p d r h r th Ch n n n n pr p d nd th ppr x t l 4 0.448 r . h f rth t r p n
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C nt C n l v . h p rt nt f l nn n tr n tt d th Ch n n n n t th C n l n A t f 2000, nd th C n l r v d t t t t n f S pt b r , 2000. h C nt C n l nd t tt h ld n r t n n th Ch n n n n ppl t n n 200 , 2002, 200 , nd 2004. h l t t t n h ld n Apr l f 2004 b th f r r l nn n nd nd U C tt h h h r d t th t t b th n C n l b r W n h , nd th C tt d d r nd ppr v l f th Ch n n n n ppl t n th 4 nd t n . At th rr nt t , th ppl t n b f r th C tt nd th t h r h r t d . In 200 , M n rt C rp. ld t n C nd K C, nd th rr d n M f 200 . A n th ppl t n n t , th ppl t n r , n t f d v l p d r h r n z n n h n pr p d, nd th t 2 .24 r v nt r h r n Ch n n n n pr p d, 2 . 46 r d v l p d r h r Ch n n n n pr p d, 4 0.448 r . And I n t th t th b l f th r th n th x t n , f r th x t n lf r . h l t t r r v nt r h r Ch n n n n pr p d, nd th t ppr x t l 2.8 r .
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n C tt l r d t p rt f th n l t r l r nt, n th r rd th t th r r n h n n th n l t r l r nt?
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : Ch r n?
C AI MO I A: Wh t, h t ll d , d h v t t n d r t nf r th St ff t pr d r ll h , n , r n t d l th th tt r t d . O . A n pl r br f t n , M b r nt n ll f ll d b M b r And r n, n v th p bl h n t t t f . Mr. nt n ll ?
ICE C AI O A I A: h n , Ch r n r 2004 t t d , n , v h d rd n n n r rd t th W r f r n l , nd, n , l n t th n l t r l r nt th t n d b n 2000, th t t th n 2004 nd r d t , n n f r rd h n th W r f r n l ppr v d, th t pr j t th t r ppr v d n f r rd ld n n d t pl th th W r f r n l . S , Ch r n, n , th t n , n f th th n th t I th t n d t b h n d n th n l t r l r nt. h n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. nt n ll . M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y h. Mr. Ch r n, I b t d ff r th h t j t nt n d r rd n th t t f th ppl t n. r t f ll, Robert's Rules of Order, I h v l d nt th nd h v b n v n dv b r l l n l n C n l S rv . And f r t f ll, t n t r n d r rd n t Robert's Rules h t b d n n th d th v t t n. It, n , n t v t r n d r th n th t f r r ld. S nd f ll, b th v t n th C tt r d n n pr v t r , n v r pr v t r f
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h h n f th M b r r n t M b r t th t t , n f t I th n nl h v thr M b r th t r , b f r M b r th t r n th b d t th t t . t b t d n t pr v t r , th v t r n ll nd v d. Y n t rr v r v t fr M b r th t r n l n r C n l M b r t nd U C tt d n th t t th f ll C n l. S v r th n h t b v t d n n b th b d th rr nt nd U C tt , nd th t dv v n t b r l l n l h p l z n l nd n C n l S rv . S f ld l t f rth r l r f th t, I th n t ld b p rt nt.
C AI MO I A: O . h n f r th nt . I ll t th t nd r n d r t n, nd I r ll h v l t f t n b t n t r n th t tt r. r r ht n , M b r , r n t n d r p bl t t n . And b f r d , l d nd ntl n, pl f r nd r l I d l t t. S pl p t, pl t rn ff ll ll ph n nd p r t , n t t d r pt r pr d n . And I d r l z th v r n t v tt r f r ll nd I ld th t nt n r p t nd d r f r th C n l Ch b r , nd pl r p t ll t t f r . l r fr n h p bl fr h r n r j r n nt fr t t f r . O ? t b r p tf l f n n th r, nd f r l r n t f ll d, ll b d t l v th Ch b r v l nt r l , nd f th t n t dh r d t , th n ll b rt d t b r l nf r nt ff l . S I h p n d n t h v t t t th t p nt. t I nf d nt th t ll f ll r th th Ch r nd r th th C tt t pr v d th t n n d n t thr h th f r t d .
S th th t b n d, l t h d nd t rt th p bl t t n . At th p nt h v r hl v r 00 p pl n d p. r t t t t f , b M f ll d b Ch ndr M hl n. b M ? b M n h, th r h , . Mr. M ?
. . .BEGIN PUBLIC TESTIMONY. .
M . MAU: Al h .
COU CI MEM E S: Al h .
M . MAU: h n f r h v n th p bl t n , th h r n . In b h lf f , h n , nd l t f th p n n th r nd t d , I d l t h r l ttl b t b t b r nd j t t l t n h r I fr . h r th t r t l n b t t d th M n r . M h n , I fr th l n f l , n . M f l h r th r n th f r t r th nd n r nd 400 A. . S h n t l b t th M n r , r t l n b t n l . M r t, r t r ndp r nt r b rn th r n n l r K h l . And th r n h I nt d t h r l ttl b t b t n , h n h r 400 A. . ll th l nd fr K n , K h n , M n , Ol , K h , nd ll th h r l n p pl r ll n n h n , n b f l . O ? I t n l h r nd th d nt t th t I th th K h h l n . O ? K h h b rn d n h r . M f l b rn p h r , fr l . K n K h h I, II, nd III r b rn h r . I ll th p t th l n f Al p A M h . A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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I n rn d, th r , h t f l d n n M n , nd I j t nt t v p n n nd n b f th l nd h h h h n d l nd n r , l nd n r . And I n th pr f f nd n t f th l nd th t b l n d t p n r h n n n d b Ul p l n h nd th r b n d v l p r . d d th t th l nd h n I t th n l , h n I t th r l p t nt f th l nd ? S j t f r p bl t t n I nt d t l t n f n b d b l n t th n th t I v d, I l t l t r . . .(change tape, start 1B). . . I th n t v t ll p rt nt th t h r th n nd r nf r t n th v r b d h r , th n rn d. M r l ttl b t n t , h n I nt t h n l n n , h d nl n C n h r l t d t th r n p l K n n(? f h n l n .
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . MAU: h r t ll n . And h h d all th pr v l th t d dn t h v . I r d n th d r , t p f r l n th rn n , l . W h d th r r n th th ttl nd th p nd v r th n l , nd th t r ll n xp r n f r . t r n p d I nt t t l b t n K p , (? , ll th l nd fr M l t K p h l . t n , f n b d t n t n I ld ppr t f n b d nt nd nf r t n, l t n . h t ll I h v t .
C AI MO I A: O . M h l , Mr. M . f r I p n th fl r p t t n , p l t v r n . I h ld h v t bl h d th t p r t r . Y ll h v thr n t t t t f th n n t t n l d . And, Mr. M , th n f r f n h n th n th p r t r . M b r And r n, t n f r Mr. M ?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y . h n , Ch r. I j t nt t l r f , Mr. M , th t r n th n th t th r r r l p t nt tt h d t th l nd n t n th t r d nd nt f th h th p t nt r d t ?
M . MAU: Y , .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : n h n th r r nd h n r th r r ?
M . MAU: I h v n d . In f t I v b n r n th th l nd nt, th th p rt nt f nd nd t r l r h r n M . h d n t h v th t nf r t n. I t t t r f C nv n n O h .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : W ll t ll , t ll , Mr. M , n th Ch n n n n ppl t n th r t n th t v th l nd n r h p d nt t n nd th p t nt r l t d n th , thr h t th d nt t n. S f nt p f th , l t r I ll v t t .
M . MAU: l .
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COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Thank you. Thank you, Chair.
MR. MAU: Mahalo.
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Member Anderson. Committee Members, any other questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony, Mr. Mau.
MR. MAU: Thank you.
CHAIR MOLINA: Next to testify, we have Chandrika McLaughlin followed by Angie Hoffman.
MS. McLAUGHLIN: My name is Chandrika McLaughlin. Chair, Members of the Council, thank you for this opportunity. I read your ideas for the near future in The Maui News and they were excellent plans. Councilman Pontanilla, you talked about how the Council has budgeted for capital improvement projects to support our infrastructure, including highways, water, parks, landfills, and facilities for public safety. You stated that the County is in a good position to make these investments. You said, "We need to consider expediting the much needed repair and maintenance of our infrastructure," adding, "The County is in a good position to make these investments because of the County's excellent bond rating". You added that, "The decline in the construction industry will make for more competitive bids resulting in lower costs to improve our infrastructure." I agree with you, this is where the need is and the needed jobs are, not in a speculative development by the same company who stopped the Maluaka by the Maui Prince, leaving an unsightly sea of dirt to silt one of our most precious reefs.
Councilwoman Baisa, you said, "Now is not the time to reduce support for our visitor industry, economic development efforts, and alternative energy programs." You suggested efficiencies and minor property tax and rate and fee revisions would provide more revenue. Councilman Medeiros and Councilwoman Johnson, you both stressed energy self-sufficiency. Here you would have the support of President Obama whose plans for alternative energy sources are slated to produce 2 million jobs. None of you said we need to sacrifice Makena by building four-story high-rise condos and commercializing the area. In fact, Councilman Molina said, "The single most important issue is the completion of the General Plan and the updating of our community plans." To approve the rezoning of Makena now would subvert this process.
I know that six of you have received donations totaling at least $26,650 from Dowling Company and the major construction unions for your reelection campaigns. Dowling Company has also conducted a massive public relations campaign for a number of years, even giving donations to non-profits, then obtaining letters to the Council in return, all in support of Makena development. It may be a challenge and I understand to make the ethical decision in the face of this kind of pressure. I urge you to do so as a public trust of your office requires it. And here, this is 32 pages of needed Capital Improvement Projects for Maui, this is what's really needed. This is what will give you all jobs. You know, I know many of you are on salary to be here and, and you feel like you need to be here to keep your job. But this, this is where your jobs are, and this is where jobs are that you can feel proud of. Thank you very much.
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AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , M . M hl n. O , f l . . . . (gavel). . . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n , M . M hl n. xt t t t f , h v An ff n f ll d b K h nd.
MS. O MA : G d rn n , C n l M b r . t f p nt I d l t . b r n , th r r ll n d t b n ht h r n n K h . It v r , v r h rd f r r n p pl t h r . Y n , th r j t t n th d ff r nd n t tt n n p n t n, nd, n , j t l t f p pl nt d t b h r t d nd ldn t. A l t f p pl th rn n nd h d t l v th h v t r , nd th r j t r ll n d t b n ht h r n n K h . I n l t f h h h l t d nt th t nt d t b h r . S f th n th ft rn n. t, n , t j t r l h rd, th h rd t f d t h r th n th t r ll p rt nt th t ff t v r n n K h . And th n j t t p b t th pr j t, n , th n n ff n th 4 nd t n th t r r d n f r r , n , I d n t th n h ld b ll d. I th n t n d t b t th b nn n , nd n d t l t ll th n. A l t f th nd t n r , n d t b r v t d. A l t h h n d n 2004. W t r, r t n bl ld d ff r nt. W d n t h v h t th ht h d b th n, n d t l t ll f th th n . h rd p nt I d l t , n , th G n r l l n Adv r C tt t ll t n , t ll tr n t p th l d pl n. h v b n r n n f r thr r n th M I l nd l n f r 20 0, nd, n , I th n t r l p rt nt th t l t h t th p th f r t b f r d d n n n th n l th . h r p nd n h r , th v l nt r , l n t h t ld b r ht nd pr d nt f r M n , f r M n 20 0. And, n , th n r d ff r nt, v r d ff r nt n M n th n 40 r h n th pr j t f r t t l d b t, h n th pr j t f r t p t n th C n t l n. I n l t f, n n b tt r th n . Y v b n h r l n r, n , r ld r th n . I j t h d 2 r h r n K h nd n l t f r z t ff d n nd, b t h v n r . And n t h d ff r nt, M h d ff r nt th n, th n 40 r , nd th t l d b t. On th t p nt, n h r b t M n nd th M n r n th n d d b th n. M n h r n th n d d b th n. W n h r b t th r h l l h t r th n d d b th n. W n h r b t th b l l d v r t d n th r , ll th z n p th t ll th t pl h . A l t f th r nd n r d b f d v l p nt nd h n p t . I d t r n th n t r l r r rv , Ah h K n t r l Ar rv , nd n f th th n I pr d t t ll p pl
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
MS. O MA : I h d l ttl t bl nd th t r t ld p nd t l t . I pr d t t ll th , th n f th l n t r f n M r ht h r , r n t h b t f l t ff r ht h r . And th r n, th r l v r th tr t, n n n b ld r ht th r . And th t , th t th , n , th t th pl n f t, n . It l n d t pr t t th r nd, n , v n th h pp n v r nd v r h r j t b ld n
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t l t th tl n , n , rr nd n th tl n , nd t j t b n pr v n f t h v l p nt r p ll t n h r th r f r d n b f, n , th d v l p nt. And j t n d t th n b t ll th th n . h t r f n Ah h t ll r b , th n f th f r f th t r b . It t r nd r , d d nd d d f r r f t r b , nd th r n b f th pr t t n, th n t r l pr t t n fr th l v nd n b d h b lt t th r t. S
MS. AKA A: r n t .
MS. O MA : th n f r l t n n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , M . ff n. C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , nd f r v f I pr n n r f r t n , t l l " " ll n [sic] M C rth r Ell n [sic] M C rth ? I p l z .
U I E I IE S EAKE : . . . (inaudible).. .
C AI MO I A: O . h n . And f ll d b C r n . Oh Ex , x . I rr . W h v K h nd nd th n Mr. M C rth . M p l . I l ttl h d f lf.
MS. A : h n , Mr. C n l n
C AI MO I A: G h d, M . nd.
MS. A : G d rn n , Mr. C n l n, C tt . M n K h l n nd nd I r d n K h . I h r t t t f n t th h n n r z n n f r M n . I r l z th t th l nd n r h th r ht t d h t b t f r h l nd, b t th t n I h v f r ll p rt nv lv d ll th C n l M b r , d v l p nt r ll th n r t r n ? I nd r t nd th t n th h rt t r t ll r t j b , t x , nd r v n , b t n th l n r n t th b t f h p pl v t M nd th v r r n ll l v h r . C ll t v l p pl f th n h ld ll b th n n b t h n nd h r th t p f d v l p nt nd . I b l v th pr j t ll d tr n f th l t b t f l r f S th M , nd t ll h rt f t r n r t n t d v t t r f r b h , r f , n lt r t , n t v dr l nd f r t , nd n t t f r t th t r h v . h n t b t h n h t, t b t d n h t r ht. I th t r v th tt r r ll r h d p th n r n f r th n r t d h t p n , h t r ht th r p t t r p t, r pr nt, nd r f t r n r t n . M h l .
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C AI MO I A: h n . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n . O . Mr. M C rth f ll d b C r n .
M . M CA Y: G d rn n . C n l Ch r M l n , C n l M b r , n l n M C rth . I r t th M r n t l nd I n f v r f th Ch n n n n t M n . I, l n pl t th M r n t l, r n rn d f r r f t r . M h b n h v l p t d b th r nt d nt rn n th n , nd n f h v fr nd , r f l b r h r th t j b r n r d d r h r . h tr l rr n p rt th n rt nt r rd n h l n t ll t f r v t r rr v l t t rt pr v n . It t l n t b f r h t l p n r t rn t th tr n n b r th t h v xp r n d v r th l t f r . In th l t f n rt nt , t r v n h rd r t ttr t v t r t r l nd. h d nd h p t n , p rt l rl h p t n fr r n r h p. A pl f th M r n t l, r l t h v n r h r n rn d b t r f t r , n r h r tt d t th n t , nd n r h r tt d t d n th n th r ht . ht n th r l n nf d n rr nd n r n . t r r n t nf d nt th tt n th r ll rn d d ll r t v t n n M . E pl r n t nf d nt b t th r t f th r j b . W n d t n t ll nf d n n th v t r nv t r h r ll n t l d M t f th h ll n n t b nv t n n M f t r . ppr v n th Ch n n n n th t r b n , r b n r t n r nd n l r f nf d n n th f t r f M n . r th p t v n r , I v tt nd d n r h r n n th pr p d Ch n n n n f r M n rt. I h v h rd n t t n nd h t b n p nt d l b r t n th . M h t b n p nt dr ft n nd t n t ddr th n rn f th n t , nd h, r t ll t n f r d n. h t r ht f r tr n l d r h p n th p rt f r l t d r pr nt t v . h t r ht f r d n. O r f t r n r h nd . h n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. M C rth . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . xt t t t f , C r n f ll d b n ld p , Sr.
M . EO G: Al h .
C AI MO I A: Al h . Ex , C r , n br n th l r? O . h n .
M . EO G: Al h . I fr M , b n b rn nd r d. I n t v n nd I n t th d v l p nt f M n , W l 6 0. C rr ntl I A f r b n dr n d f 8 ll n ll n f t r h d . h l v l f t r n th I A f r h , n t 24 f t nd n t 2 f t, h lf p t . M t r ppl b n d b t t t f t r th n t n t r ll b n r pl n h d. It n t r f r r n t r nd r nd t r t p r l t b nt th f r . Al , nt l th d th r h n t b n tt n d n l d nf r t n n h h t r t ll n M f r . S f r nl h v n r t t t f r f r t r ppl . W th th n nd, th d v l p nt f M n h ld n t b ll d. W d n t r ll n f M n ppl r d v l p nt th t r. W nn t ll t f l t r. O r f r ll n t b bl t p p th n r d t r 8 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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. W th t r nt n n t n r , h t ll h pp n t th t r ppl f r r h ldr n nd r h ldr n h ldr n h n th r n , n , th r n t b n t r?
C AI MO I A: O . h n f r r t t n , Mr. n . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , h v n ld p , Sr. f ll d b K h l .
M . OE OE: Al h , Mr. Ch r. Al h , C n l p pl . M n n ld p , Sr. nd I h r n b h lf f lf. Ev r n h r , I n t v n, b rn n th l nd. In M n n t r b r d t K l Ch r h. I n t th r , S v M n . Y n , f l ld l nd n M n t S b . b d p nd ff r d n t v M n . At th t t n d d th n . W h v n h rd t , f l ld 2 r , n , nd S b l ft t n. S b th f r t n th t t M n t v M n nd ll n t th t. S b n, p t n d n, br n t r fr I ll t M n . S b n, d v l p d r d t M n . t h t h pp n d? th r th l t b n t n, th l t b d n th r , th t l ft t. Ev r n n fr nt, M M d , K h t ll th t r, t ll th nfr tr t r fr M n , nd r h r n n . I h r n . W n d M n . M n b ld n p th t pp d t , nd I l v th p pl th t d n th t nd I n pp rt f t. h n v r h.
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , Mr. p . O , f l . . . .(gavel). . . C tt M b r , t n f r Mr. p ? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , Mr. p . xt t t t f , h v K h l f ll d b I h v n h rd t th th n , br [ ]? O . W ll r n th t ft r rd . G h d, Mr. K h l .
M . KA A EKAI: G d rn n .
C AI MO I A: h n .
M . KA A EKAI: I h r n t h t h pp n n . I h r f r lf, h n , nd p n . I rr f r h t n n, b t n d j b . W ll n d j b . t n t th t r nd b t M n , h l (? n dr , f r r n t n t j b. S n d j b, ll n d j b, b t l n h v , r n t l r lt r , n l . W l v , l v n th n f r n r . O r p n , th f ht f r h t th b l v r ht. W h h v n th l nd, n th n , ll l h t h v . If th p d v l p n , h r r n t f h n ? W r n t t t h r , r r nd h ldr n? I h v n r nd h ldr n t, b t I h v f r n . h v r d , d, h t th t r d d n th r ? h K n d. Wh t th K n d? Y n , th j t n x pl f h t I , nd I h v t xpl n t th .
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And what if development keep moving on? They will take away all that our children needs to know. They would take all that away. I sit, I listen. But you know what, we all gotta think about it, you take one job and you're going to take away somebody else's job. We all need jobs. There is jobs out there, too. I need job, too. I have a job, but it's very slow, too. But also I look forward to, to teach my children and their children the history of Hawaii. That's all I got to say. Thank you.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Mr. Kahalekai. Okay. . . .(gavel). . . Committee Members, question for the testifier? Okay. Seeing none, thank you. Okay. Back to, I think it looks like Patrick or. . .15 Laiki Place, the mailing address, if that is your mailing address. Okay. Please come. Thank you. And followed by Leo Tai. Sir, if you could please state your name for the record.
MR. ANCHETA: Hi, everybody, good morning, and God bless everybody. All my life I see everybody struggle and all I see now is young generation coming up, sore hearts, everything. What brokes my heart, we all gotta live and breath the same air, drink water. Water is more important than oil, and I feel that all of us gotta go forward. I know so hard, but what blows my mind, everyone going get one grandchild. Everyone going have to go forward and now is the time for go forward. I for this, I for this growth. I know get plenty water underneath this, just gotta drill. The pollution coming from boats that dumping in the water, in the ocean, stay killing lot of things. I for this thing that goes on because in case of emergency and growth you need water out there. I hate for say it, but I need to say it because all my life I see every family get hard time, very hard time, and I approve that this project goes on for all of us. Because all you kids that going be behind going need work and for support their knowledge for us. And that's what life is all about. I just came back from foreign countries and I see them more worst than us, and we gotta stick together and work together. Hard, hard. This is one island, I know that. I so sorry, but I love everything, you know, like how you guys love everything. We need to work it out and I hope this project go through. Thank you.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Sir, can you state your full name, please? Your name for the record.
MR. ANCHETA: My name is Patrick Ancheta.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, mahalo for your testimony.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Next to testify, we have Leo Tai followed by Patri McLaughlin or Patri Laughlin I should say, or maybe it's McLaughlin. Okay.
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MS. AI: G d rn n , v r n .
C AI MO I A: G d rn n .
MS. AI: M n nd I th dd n n r t th M r n t l. I v r d n th v t r nd tr f r 0 r nd h v n th p t th t d v l p nt h d n th t r t nd tr n . A h t l nt p, r rt r b lt, p n ff nd tr r r t d, nd th r r j b f r j t b t v r n . h t n t th t d , nd r pl nd th r f l r n rn d b t th r f t r , th r lf r , nd I. I d pp rt th M n rt pr j t b t I, I ld l t th n l ttl b t r l . Ch n n v t bl , t n , h th r t t d r h th r t n th n xt t n r . I p r n ll ld l t h n t pl h l Mr. l n t ll h r . l v n , h r p n bl ff t v th th nv r n nt, h lt r ll n t v . h r r , h Ch rl M x ll nd ll K p h l h nd l K l l . S I t pl v t nd d h r . h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , M . . Q t n f r th t t f r, M b r ? S n n n , n xt h v tr , I h p t M hl n r hl n, f r v , nd f ll d b th r G n n l.
M . M AUG I : r r p t d M b r f th C n l...
C AI MO I A: Ex . S r, ld p t r p l r t r v n h r l d nd l r. h r .
M . M AUG I : h t d?
C AI MO I A: r d.
M . M AUG I : r r p t d M b r f th C n l, n tr M hl n. I r ld ll t d nt nd r d n th l ttl l nd ll M . I nv n d th t th d v l p nt f h h d n t nd n t r nd M n ll b d v t t n t th l nd l n t r n . Y , th r ht b h rt t r r f r f r th n n b r , b t h t b t l n t r ? I v n th l nd h n l t n th p t r . ntl I h v n t d th t r l nd dd t d t d v l p nt. Ev nt ll ll r n t f l nd t b ld p n. h n th l f M , t h t pt v t th v t r th t nt n t r t rn t nd n. W t, h ldr n f , pr t t th n , th l nd. W th t th r n b t f th l nd r n b r n n dr v r, t r , ll b dr t ll h lt d. h r t f th r rt r t l th n h lf p t . W t pr t t th t r t nd tr . If nt n t tr n f r th n nt h h d n t nd n t , th l nd ttr t n f th l nd ll b l t. If n t br th b ld dd t n, n ll h v f r t r t , n l nd nd n n . W ll h v r r d , r h , nd r r h r t r d nl nd r v n t M t f ll th tr nd f th d d . M n pl , th l nd d r t
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melting pot of hardworking people. But how can we consider ourselves democratic if we sneak the decisions under the noses of the people? Holding this hearing on Wednesday morning with little to no notice is wrong. If we truly call Maui a democracy, let the people make the decision. Hold a public hearing on Sunday at Makena Beach and ask the hardworking people of Maui if this truly is positive development. A man's decision can be altered when his pocketbook says otherwise. Most of the people in favor of this development will also profit from this development. I have taken the day off of work and school to speak, to speak for all my friends and family that can't be here because they must work. I speak for the aina that needs protecting. I am not profiting by speaking. I am here on my own free will to convince you that this development is not only wrong but also unfair to residents of Maui. If we truly call Maui democratic, you must make the decision for the people. Give the people fair representation and hold a hearing on the weekend in South Maui to give the hardworking school-going residents a chance to voice their opinions. Please, Council Members, reject this bill or at least make the democratic process fair and let the people make the decision. Thank you for your time.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Patri. Okay. . . .(gavel). . . Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you. Next to testify, we have Heather Ganancial followed by Nalani Chun.
MS. GANANCIAL: Aloha. My name is Heather Ganancial and I just want to say thank you for this opportunity. Wai is key to the life of any Hawaiian, even non-Hawaiians. The wai flows naturally through our veins and is essential to our mana. The disruption of this natural flow by diversions installed by greedy white men, irrigation companies, can be felt each and every day by many families who depend upon the wai to continue to live their self-sustainable lifestyle. Wailea 670 [sic] is a drastic development that I feel will only bring more problems to our beautiful island. Born and raised in Haiku, I have watched from afar as Kihei and Wailea have been developed, subdivision or luxury housing one after the other. And now they want to develop some of the most sacred grounds on the island, Makena. These lands which contain anchialine ponds, opae ula, and many endemic endangered species will be exploited and developed for the greed and wealth of Mr. Everett Dowling. These beautiful natural ways of life will forever be devastated. . . .(change tape, start 2A). . . in denial of the fact that development is bad, not any longer. I am against this development and any development because we do not have excess water available for any projects. In East Maui, kalo farmers are fighting to restore water back to the stream to fill its natural flow. They have lived years without enough water for their families and crops and still are fighting for their water. Where will we get the water for this development in the desert? Water doesn't even flow through this region. Where will they get the water needed for 1,000 homes? I also don't feel that low-income or native Hawaiian families will be able to partake of any of the benefits of this development. Most of the homes are beyond the means of the working class citizens of Maui. This is the third meeting that I have attended and I have witnessed many people in opposition to this project. I don't know who promised this development years ago, but to you I say what a sellout. The people of Maui are tired of being
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t n dv nt f nd I tr n l n t th W l 6 0 [sic] d v l p nt, nd I h p th t t ll n t thr h. h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: O . . . . (inaudible). . . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n . xt t t t f , h v l n Ch n f ll d b th v r nd Al l n ll.
MS. C U : Al h . M n l n Ch n, nd I t th M r n t l. I d nd v r M n r th r . I h r n f v r f th M n r z n n . I n, l n f th t r h r . M r t r fr Ul n nd K p h l , I n, nd I p n n f v r f th . I h v n h b ld h t l . I h v d ht r th t p n t th n n l M , nd I h v n th t n nd d n b t r lt r . S th v r p rt nt t n p r n l l v l th t t ll v j b , n t nl t nd t ll , b t t h ldr n h r p rf r n nd h r l v n th l nd. W r r n ll fr O h . W h r r th n 0 r nd d n t nt t b th r . W nt t b h r . W nt t r , I nt t r nd h ldr n r p nd d th th n th t I h v b n bl t . l d th r ht th n , t r f th M n nd t r f r r nd ll nd f l . M h l . M h l .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , M . Ch n. C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . xt t t t f , h v th v r nd Al l n ll f ll d b hn C rt .
MS. I : Al h .
C AI MO I A: Al h .
MS. I : Al h h , l h . r t f ll, I d l t th t I d pp rt n d v l p nt n r l nd. I v b n p rt f l t f th t, h th r t ll th h r tt r v ll f St nf rd C rr ll th t th rth r n th th d p t K h j t n nt W l , M n . I bl d th l t r rt. h t v r h ll n n , th l t p f l nd t v r b b lt f r W l h ll th t n 2 r th r . I h v bl d, v n th h th r n pr , th t d t l n n W l , r t, th th n h ll n f r ntr nd rld r n v n l l . I v bl d ll f l 0 M n . Mr . Ch n h r t d . h t h rd, r b r, h ld th l nd nd t h rd th h pl t. h t b n n th ld M n d n M n . I v bl d d v l p nt n ll th h h nd l x r nd f r l nd bl d v r 00 f th n t j t l t . I n M n ll. I d t l v b t n M n nd n nd rth M l n r th h r h, th r d d. I n M n ll b f p n " p " K h K K l h d t h v th W Ch r h n K h , h d t fr K p h l , r n th ttl ll th d n t M n nd n . t f t r . I d t 2 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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t n . . . (inaudible). . . l nd nd l p t th t r b f r th t ld, h h n p r n l t r fr th b ld n th t n t p t S th M l . t tt n th r , th r r j b th t r n t b th r . t I h v p l d n th , I h v pr d n th , nd I h v t nd n l d n M n , nd t h rt h v , r ll h v nd I ld f l th l nd. S I p f r v t d nd th l t . t I p f r th n nd th l p , th l nd th r . p , p n d t , " h t t nd l v h t l v ". th f h, t th l l p , th d n , t h t n d f r r lv , f r r f l , b t l v th r t f r th h r , f r th n b h nd. S h h b n v n, 0 r . h r n t b j b . It n p th t r . h r h th t b n v n. W n d t pp rt h t b n z n d nd h ppr v d t b h nd th , nd n t t n t h t lr d b n pt d nd v t d n nd r d n b th h r nd th n t h r t d b t r p rt f r p t. M n
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
MS. I : f ll f r . h r r r h l l t v r h r , th nn t p . I d p t f r th nb rn h ld h h n v , t f r th h ldr n nd f r th l nd. Wh t I d bl n , nd I n t ll th t n th d n t ll n t b nd n . And I d n t f l th d f r M n t b ld t th d r , t th l v l t xp nd t th l v l th t b n pr p d h r t d . It ll h n th p r t l n r f M n , t ll h n th n . W n d p n r br n , n d p n r l nd. W n d t pr rv , t r l n t t r f f th pl . W n d th . h th t h r n d th . W r nd, b d , nd p r t. S , pl , t K h nd h r th v n t h n th th t h v j b , t , n nd p . l d n t pp rt th p z n n , l t pp rt h t b n v n. p n p ld l , n h. M h l .
C AI MO I A: All r ht. h n , v r nd. C tt M b r , t n ?
AU IE CE: . . .(applause). . .
C AI MO I A: S n n n , th n . . . . (gavel). . . O , f l , I n d r h lp, pl . xt, h v hn C rt f ll d b t n f r .
M . CA Y: I h ld h v nd t t f d t rd h n r t l n b t h ht r tr t n h r .
COU CI MEM E S: . . .(chuckle). . .
M . CA Y: I hn C rt . I l v n W t M . It n pl l M n h r p pl f l t l v nd n p r d h r f l t nn t d t th n b r th n r lv h r t d p br th nd h t nj r lv , r f l , r fr nd h r h t p nd r p l t h r f l. It h r h ldr n nt t p nd ll d , v r d nd n t t t t b th r , nd h r d lt r b r h t t n b l t f l l h ld n. t t d th r r p pl h r n th r th t nt t t th t p ln , th t ,
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l t p n n r t b x nd tr t p t ll f r th lv , nd th n ll t t th fr th nl nd h r ll n t p t p d ll r f r t. h t ll th t ll th d ff r nt th t th th n th t n r b t nt r t t l t th d t. r th th t nt t d v l p n M n v n th h th r n t r nd t l d v l p nt d tr r n t r l t r r , t d b n f r th t b h r t d . It t ll p nt n th p r t f ll th t p rt nt t th , n . h t h t th ll t, th t h t th ld t f r r f n M n . h t nd t ll n b nv rt n f r t b l v d nd r d p n p nt n r t nd b ld n . r th r t f , r f r t h r t d nd th r d t tr nd h ld n t th t h h h ld d r nd r d h l tr l t p r nt nd pr v d f r r f l . It r f rth n , b n th t n n t r p rt nt th n t n r f th n , b n p n , nd pr rv n th t h h r d f r n r t n t . W d n t h v th r ht t v n n d r r f n M n f r th r lth nd th r f rt. W d n t h v th r ht t d n f t r n r t n th n t r l xp r n nd p n r d p f M n . n h ld n t b d b d n h h n n b d r ht n r , f p h . n n d t b d n h t b t f r th l n t r nd h t b t v r ll f r th l nd. v n n n l nd n th t h v t l t th b p t r nd h v r th n r t th r, nd t rn n M n nt C l f rn d n t f t th l nd . Wh n rth, h n th l nd ld t n f th t r d pl , nd pl th t p pl l v t p t nd nj , nd r n t th d v l p nt f r th b n f t nd f rt f t d r ? r h n t v M n . It r l t h n t pr rv th n r d nd b l v d. d r , pl d n t l t th t rn M n nt n M l b r l n v ll [sic] b t , f th d v l p nt ll d, t ll n l n r b M n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , hn.
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n ? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . xt t t t f , h v t n f r , nd I p l z f I pr n n r n , f ll d b b rt C b n n.
M . A U I: O . pr bl . I t n f r . G d rn n . G d rn n . All r ht. Wh n I f r t h r th rn n , I f lt pr tt t nd dr h t I n t t t f b t. And h r n th p l t l j r n b nd f rth b t h th r t j t t r v t pl n r v t f r pl n f r r , t l l t h h n d n f r r . I l t f p pl r nt r t d n th r lt th t fr th . It t ll f l pr tt t nd dr t . I t t f n pl t l n pp t n f d v l p n th r n t nl f r t nv r n nt l b t th n t r , d f n t l th b t f th t r . I , I t ll t th t d t rb d l ttl b t th t th t n pr d n v r l t f th th t M f d th f r nfr tr t r , t r, r d , th n , th r th n th t M , p pl f M r b t th t ld l pp rt j b nd pp rt n . h nl p nt th t I d v r h rd f n f v r f l n d v l p nt n M n r f r j b , ll th n tr t n j b th t th ll r t . S h t I nd r n h n d d n tr t n r r j b b r p rt nt th n
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n n l j b ? Wh n d d th , b r p rt nt th n th nv r n nt nd th lt r b n pr rv d n th l nd ? I nd r n r th n t n l h r th t r t l n b t? Ar th f r n nd p l nd l f rd th t r t l n b t? I v d n n tr t n r b f r . I n v r f lt l t d h r . Unf rt n t l , th r n b d n n xtr l d tr nt l nd tr t th nv r n nt. A r n l n h n pp rt f h d v l p nt , th r n r n nd d v l p nt . It d tr nt l t th nv r n nt, n f , nd , r b t b t t, nd th t d f th b d v l p nt n p pl r n p nd th n n r t n n M f l t t b b t d t , t h v n nv r n nt l ft t nj n th l nd . At p nt t h t nd r th ll b r p n d n nt r . t p t nd n Ah h K n . Wh n d t nd, r ll ? I f l t h rt p r n ll f r h n d d n n h r f r l n j b b r p rt nt th n n I d . I n th t r v r d . I t p pl t n t r nd I t h th b t th nv r n nt, I t h th b t th t rtl , b t th r f. I t th t t l b t th l nd th t pr p n d v l p nt h r , nd I t t t h th b t h p . I t t t h th b t th t th t th n lt r h d h r , th t h n b d p th l nd fr p n n th l nd, t p n n d n b l ll. I t t t h th h t ff t lf r h v n th t h p t
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . A U I: h t ff t nd ... W , th t f t. S f n, h ld n. I h v n th r b b n th , h n t b n. S h n d d th j b b r p rt nt th n j b? l n j t p h d d th t h ld r n h r l t r ff f M l . S h l n b f r , n , h l n h v th p pl f, f M b n f ht n th d v l p nt? h r n th t, n , b t r z n n nd v rn nt h n n . t t l b t r n d v l p nt. M b b d nd br f t th t l f r , th t r n d v l p nt. I d n t h th nd r f d n d v l p nt n h n th n r n b t th t r n f t r f r M n . h n .
C AI MO I A: h n , t n.
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y h. t n, d th t r p h d ff M l h, th f M l h l n ld
M . A U I: Y .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : p r t r l t r th r ?
M . A U I: Y .
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : C ld xpl n th t?
M . A U I: Y h, b l t l . t r ntl th p n th t I r f r h h d p r t fr th C nt f r p r t n n t r t f M n nd n r f r v r 20 r . t r ntl l n l d th t l nd h n nd p h d r l p r t r , b ll t r nd d v p n h th t, th t l nd d n t ll l. S t p h d d f r M n nd n nd l M l . M l l h r h r nt . l d th K K n n b t t f th r . nd t h n r l t v t ff th t b h. W r t ld th t t ll l f r ...
COU CI MEM E A E SO : W , M l n f th l t n n r p r t?
M . A U I: On, n th r n p n p r t , n t r x tl , b t n th r p n p r t , .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : And th r h nt d d ?
M . A U I: M n nd n , t , t tr l ll th .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y h.
M . A U I: Y h.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : W ll, I d n t b l v th t Mr. l n n M n nd n . I th n th t, n f t I n th t M n nd n pp d t b C nt p r nd S b h j t n v r d d d t v r t th C nt .
M . A U I: ht. h t nd r t nd n .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : And I th n th t n d t f ll thr h th th t.
M . A U I: Y h.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n .
M . A U I: h n .
C AI MO I A: h n . C tt M b r , th r t n ? S n n n , th n , t n. O . xt t t t f , h v b rt C b n n f ll d b M l .
M . CA ACU GA : Al h , C n l M b r .
C AI MO I A: Al h .
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M . CA ACU GA : h n f r h v n t d . Y n , I f r th pr j t. Y n h ? I 0 r ld. lf f fr nd , p pl I n , p pl I r p th th r th r n th t r nd tr r th r n th n tr t n nd tr . Y n , h, ll l v M n , ll l v M n . Ev r r tt thr h th , r v r n r , n , tt v r h r . Y n , th pr j t n h lp l l p pl h r tl l l r n n d th , n , th n tr t n, p f r th r rt , p f r n b tt r l f f r th r f l . Y n h t I n? Eh, I th n , I tr n l th n n d th n l th , nd v r b d n th t l n , n , h t t ff pl nn d, n , h n t n j t b t t, n , t p dl , n . t, n , lt rn t v f r p r. t ll th nd t ff pl nn d. l , t r n tr t nt pl nt p th r , n . It n t b lf ff nt n th f t r . Y n , I n v r l p t d b , n , f l , d d n t th , n . t, h, h ld lr d . Y n h t I n?
AU IE CE: . . .(laughter). . .
M . CA ACU GA : Y n h t, h h d h t . Y n h t I n? t f t, r, r nd p n ppl n lr d , t n . h j r t f th j b n b n th h t l nd th n tr t n nd tr . It r th n f r , b t t th tr th. It th tr th. t I l f r th n f r h v n t d . Al h .
AU IE CE: . . .(applause). . .
C AI MO I A: h n f r r t t n , b rt. C tt M b r , t n ? . . . (gavel). . . O , f l h n n, h n n. W h v t n. M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : b rt, d n t th n d th ?
AU IE CE: . . .(chuckle). . .
M . CA ACU GA : Y h, t d .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n .
M . CA ACU GA : It d .
AU IE CE: . . .(applause). . .
C AI MO I A: O . An th r t n , M b r ? h n . b rt, b rt, h n n, h n n. W t t n fr Mr. M d r , h d t n?
COU CI MEM E ME EI OS: Mr. Ch r, n , I d dn t. I j t nt d t , h, f n b d h t n f r th t t f r, h d th th t. t I h v t n n nf r t n ft r th t t f r . 28 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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C AI MO I A: Oh, . All r ht. h n f r r t t n . O . xt t t t f , h v M l f ll d b rr Ob rt .
MS. U UWAI: Al h .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Al h .
MS. U UWAI: M h l t ll th C n l M b r f r h r n th r z n n r t nd h n r n th pr . M n M l . M n t r d M n th r h . I h r t p n b h lf f n t r nd t h n r th r r nd th r h t r , nd t h n r f t r n r t n b n , n t ll d nd n th t th C n l n r th pr t t n f th r h l l nd lt r l r r n M n . I fl v r th M l pr j t th rn n nd I n rn d. A rd n t l n p bl t , nd h h x ll nt p bl r l t n , th n t b th f n t nd h n t n th t rn h ph r . It n t b M n . And M l th f r t ph f th n M n . S l t l t th f r t ph f n M n , l t l t M l . Wh t l t f d n t , b f l n d p bl r l t n ff rt , th tr th. f r t r h l l t d t M l h rr f nd n d t , I pl n d t th C lt r l r C n nd th l nn n C n b t , t r p n b l t nd l n t r th t r r h l l nd lt r l r r r pr t t d. And I d h p l th t h ll d r h l t t l n th t pr p rt , nd n h t h f nd? r r h l l t . A h , lt r l pl tf r , nd b r l t . ld h v b lld z d th f I d dn t pl n. If I d dn t t nd p nd r bl , ll n , ll p . S h r nh h I d r n x ll nt nd ll r p t d r h l t, h r d d h rv , b h d dn t nt th n th n p p r, nd d n t n th t. S h r d d h rv , nd h d l t f r nd t n . Sh f nd n r th r lt r , , th r h t r . Y n n , n ll th p , t p . And h d th r nd t n t l n , nd n h t h d d? nl pr rv d, thr r b t , ll p r nt f th t . A f h n h n th t M l t , r ndf th r f h d r ht b l th t. M f th r t ld th t h f v r t f h n t . h t n . I fl v r M l th rn n , t r p d l n. I nt d n th r th p t S nd , I h d d ht r, t r p d l n. I d th r h th r , th r f h n h th r . O ? S f r pr t n r lf, f r n I p n nd I h n r n lt r nd p pl nd pr t l , th n b p n . th pr p r r h l l r , br n n h hl l f d p pl , nd h n th th r nd t n , br n n, n , br n th f l n, n , n t lt r l dv r r p th t p n t nd v n t . t br n n b ld b h pp t r th t r th t r f l , r f l h t r nd r n t r r h n r d. p n . O ? h r ll d p bl r l t n . M t f d n t n l t f th n th t r n n. t th h t h pp n n . S f M l th f r t ph f th n M n nd th t n t fr , th t fr h n lt nt, t th f r t ph f th n M n th n r n tr bl . W r n b tr bl n . And I th n h r h n d j b nd I h rt f r , nd I n t n t . t I h v l n nd I h v r p n b l t .
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MS. AKA A: r n t .
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : W r h pp t h v b fr th I l nd, nd I n th t r n t r r pr d f t d f r t n th t t n nd r pr nt.
MS. U UWAI: I h d n h .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : S th , th th t p f, , th t d n t d f r pr rv t n b t r r rv t n v n?
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : C t h r l n f n .
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . h n v r h.
MS. U UWAI: Y h.
C AI MO I A: O . h n , M b r And r n. C tt M b r , th r t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , M . .
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M . O E O: W . A l t f p pl . I p rt nt . A , I t ll fl n fr S ttl j t t b h r t t l t ll t d . I ppr t r t . h r b n l t f r ll h rtf lt t t n nd p rt nt p nt br ht p. I v b n n t th l nd t r t nd p nd n n h r n , n th 0 . I h v r l t v th t h v l v d n th I l nd f r 0, 40 r . M , , I , I n t d , I ll l b n t d r. M n n, S tt Ir h, l p n , n. Gr t d. And h r ll , r ll l th pl . I th n h t ll t r l z th t p pl h v br ht p, th t n tr t n h rt t , h rt t r f x f r r n tr t n . It th lt r l d v r t th t th l nd h n t p pl , n t t p r ph , n th ff r n t h b th f r th b p l t l r rt th t n n f l nd th r f l b r p nd th r n nd l t nj . M f nd I, j t r ntl p r h d h n S th K h , nd n r n d d th t t f r p t f r th r nd th t n t v r th n l h t b b lt n. h , r f tpr nt r n nd n d r f p pl nd th r f r , f lt d d l ttl l d t th r t f th nv r n nt. Wh n I tr v l, I tr v l ll v r th rld nd h n I l t th b r rt I r l z r nd r th t th r t h n r t ph r . And t p nt I d n t l nt t t th l nd, b I n n h r l n th rld nd p nd n t th p l t l p nd r rt nd h v b d d n l . h t n t h t t b t. It th t d v r t . Y n h r , n j t t, n t n W l nd p nd t A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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h n . Y n t n S th K h f r th b l n t r pr nt . h n n t n , h rt dr v nd r n nd rf l r th t r nd f r h t n . And b ld r nd t, b lld z , p v , nd b ld, ll f r v r v r h n h t h v nd n n v r v r b . h r l t f l nd, I l p th nt n, th t ld b l nv r n nt ll n t v th t ld b b lt t h n p pl And, n , d n t h v n h nd t nd l t ld b h r f r th C n l j t t
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AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n ? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . xt t t t f , h v K v n l l , nd ft r Mr. l l thr h th h t t n , M b r , ll t br nd th n ll h v n Q nn nd M h l b r t n n d .
M . A EAKA A: Al h , d rn n , Ch r n, C n l M b r . I t l d t rl r l t r d , nd I n th b t d , n , th t r, n , v r th n n p. I n t h rd. I n l , l t r r lt r h r n M , r, p n ppl . I n n , n , nt th t r t nd tr n b f r lt r b n n . I n t r b h r n M nd th t h d th pr bl l r nd t n v r b n ttl d, n . And I j t nt th pr j t t f r rd nd h p f ll . . . (change tape, start 2B). . . tt nd l b , n , t th r nd nd r t nd, n , th r j b th t n d t b f lf ll d. I n I h v f l nd fr nd n th n tr t n, n , th t t f r r ht n . S r th n t b h r , b t, h, th b ld p pl h , f l th t h r n M th t , n , n d, n d d l . S I j t h p f ll th t th pr j t f r rd. M h l . 2 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. l l . C tt M b r , t n f r Mr. l l ? S n n n , , M b r , t 0:40. W r n t ll f r n t r , nd h n r t rn ll h v n Q nn f ll d b M h l b r t n. M t n n r nt l 0: . . . . (gavel).. .
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M . QUI : Al h , d rn n .
C AI MO I A: G d rn n .
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C AI MO I A: Ex . Mr. Q nn, ld p t th p l ttl b t? h r .
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M . QUI : I v d t K h n 8 nd I d t l f ll n l v th M n , nd h n I th n b t r ll h t I l v b t t, I th n t , th t t f l h t l t d th r . Y f l f r , lth h r t ll pr tt l t v r th n , nd th pr f th b t th r nd p rh p n th n n n t r th t, th t d n t n r ll , n . And I v , j t l t t f r r ld n t th h t h n f b ll t rtl n t h h I f nd t b v r p l, nd I f l th t f th th n p pr r n th r , th p l th n r n t b l t f r v r nd rt n n l ll d nd n v r b . I th n M n S l n th t r t d th r th nd ntr n , nd I t t p nd l h lf n h r j t t h n th b t f l n l t th r n r t l l n, j t r t r. And t j t h rt , h rt th h rt t th n th t nd f h rt t r n n r n h b t f r v r. And I v n thr h r rt b b lt n K h r W l r h t v r nt t ll t. W l j t K h th pr n l r f r I n rn d. It ll th z p d nd t ll th n t . Onl r ffl nt nd pr p r p pl t nt t ll th r r W l . t I v n l t f f h n t , l t f b t f l r f , l t f th n nd b j t b lld z d nd, n , h b lt. And n t t th r , th A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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j t n t th r n r f r n , n , n pl th t d t pl h n r d , nd I d l t t n b bl t lv th r nd b bl t nj th n th t t . And th t b t t. h n f r r t .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. Q nn. C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r?
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M . U E S EI : Al h
COU CI MEM E AISA: Al h .
M . U E S EI : nd l p n . M n M h l . b r t n nd I l v n S th K h nd I r t r d n t. I dd d r n d t d ll n th t n b M n n r r th h h t d r f p n nd th ll n n f ll f nv lv d t tr nd nd r t nd h r h th r n fr . t f r t t t r nd br th r n th l b r v nt nd p ll th , th b ld n tr d , b r . n t f ll f r h nd h r nt . h r n rt n th St t f r n th nt r Un t d St t th t ll nf r n r l r nt. h t p nt bl n . If d v l p r h r h ll pl n n r r , t t n p p r nd n d b b th p rt th r , I h v br d n Al t ll . I l ld l t dd v t th h ld nt n v n n r nd h r n n S th M b th r r n h ld l t t h h v t r r t h l. M b tt l n th t h ld n t r nt th h n nd h r h . r t, l t b t rl br r th r h n th M r nd th r t r f l nn n nn n d th t th ld n t pp rt n ppl t n f r C n t l n A nd nt nt l th n G n r l l n pl t d. I v t t f d b f r G AC nd p rt p t d n l nn n p rt nt x r d l n th n rb n r th b nd r , nd I n r th t th r n f nt nt f t z n np t th t ld r lt n M n rt b n t d th b nd r . Wh th r r n t th t h pp n bv l p t . v rth l , h ppr v th n n th t ht n t b C nt p l r fr n ? xt, I h v n h nd h r Ch pt r . 0 f th C nt C d h h p rt n t ppl t n nd pr d r f r th pl nn n pr . S t n . 0.0 0, G n r l Appl t n r d r nt n n S t n , C nt nt f Appl t n , th t p l t n th t ll ppl t n h ll pr v d th f ll n nf r t n: b r 8 thr h nd thr h 6 v r d t l d l nd h t r , r h l l t d , nd ppr v l fr nd O A ll t t n pl n ppr v d b th n n l f nd r p t f th pr j t rr nt tr ff p t t d , nd
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analysis; solid waste disposal analysis; and finally identification of environmentally sensitive areas, plants, and animals with comments not only from relevant State agencies also, but also from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the Corps. of Engineers. Now I've asked the Planning Department to produce those documents for you today, and I believe it is absolutely ridiculous to consider voting for these, these zoning changes until each and every one of you has thoroughly reviewed not just those aspects but everything else in Section D. I don't know if the Planning Department produced them, but I can assure you that most --
MS. NAKATA: Four minutes.
MR. DUBERSTEIN: --of those sections do not have current studies in them. And why deal with an incomplete application? Mahalo.
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you for your testimony, Mr. Duberstein. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Member Anderson?
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Mr. Duberstein, thank you for being here, and thank you for bringing that up. When this application went through the previous Land Use Committee, most of those application requirements were not met, and the Committee Chair sent letters requesting that information from the owner and applicant at that time. And none of that information was forthcoming and the Land Use Chair previous to Mr. Nishiki was Mr. Arakawa, and the Committee was told at that time we're not going to get all the information we want so you just have to decide if you like it or not. You think that's a prudent way to, to approve an application for so much development when it doesn't meet the requirements of the Code?
MR. DUBERSTEIN: Obviously not, because I can assure you that if I wanted to build something or to do something that was covered by the zoning process, I would have to meet each and every one of them. Now why does someone who was willing to spend $575 million not have to meet those requirements? I mean there are conditions that the Council itself set. There are new conditions that are likely to come out of whatever happens, but you have the prime conditions that are in the application process that no rational Planning Director should ever approve. Everyone here should understand what's involved here, that when your project where you live was built, they had to go through the entire process. They had to find out what the archeological information and cultural information was there, and if there were problems, to mitigate it. Now is there a mitigation plan? No. The water issue here is still--and I mean this is, you know, the best word--murky. It's very murky. We don't, we don't know. I mean the need for a potential desal plant means that there is an immense amount of energy needed for the desalination process, and the brine and other chemicals coming out of that have to be dealt with. Well, where are they going to put them? It's going to go right into the ocean. So we are already facing major problems in the reefs off of Makena. How can anyone think of ever being able to do their scuba diving or whatever else you want to do there when there's not going to be any life there, when it's going to be the white coral that washes up that I deal with every week at the South Maui --
CHAIR MOLINA: Mr. Duberstein, Mr. Duberstein, --
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MR. DUBERSTEIN: --Heritage Trail?
CHAIR MOLINA: --I think you've answered her question.
MR. DUBERSTEIN: Okay.
CHAIR MOLINA: Member Anderson, do you have another question for Mr. Duberstein?
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: No. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, any other questions? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony, Mr. Duberstein. Next to testify, we have Lance Holter followed by Gail Manibog.
MR. HOLTER: Good morning, everyone. I just want to make two issues available to us. Number one, we need to conclude before any action on this proposal, we need to conclude the General Plan Advisory Committee hearings and hear what their General Plan recommendations are. And secondly, we need to have an evening meeting in Kihei when all the hardworking people, other than these hardworking people, can also attend. I know of many that can't attend because they can't get the day off as the hotel workers and others are. But most of all, congratulations, everyone. Your vote counted this year, 76.3 percent of Maui County voted for Barack Obama, one of the largest turnouts in the entire nation. We won the election for Hawaii. We have the . . .(inaudible). . . And also in my discussion with the congressional delegations, we are in the process of being allocated $15 billion for new energy development, new energy economy, a new energy development. In the next six months this money will be coming to this nation, especially to Hawaii, because we are in the most die-hard predicament here. We are importing quarter billion dollars worth of oil to run our electric plants. That's a quarter billion dollars worth of oil for our electricity. But what we're talking about today is obviously about jobs, and the developers of this proposal tell us that jobs will result. But I maintain it's not about jobs, it's about the fact that the developers are using this for bait. What they really want to do is real estate speculation and selling off lands with zoning entitlements. It's about continuing a misguided economic policy of exclusive homes and exclusive neighborhoods and second and third homes for the wealthy. If it were truly about jobs and people, we'd be looking at green and blue collar affordable homes and public facilities, schools, infrastructure, and real solutions. But I want to know, where is the water? Since the 2004 agreements, the water shortage has become serious to acute. There's no water left anywhere, especially for 1,600 units. Remember, luxury homes in Kihei use 2,000 gallons or more per home, per day. And the electricity requirements for this project are huge. We have neither the capacity or available supply either to provide any of this for Makena's proposed development. I want all of the people in this room to have jobs. I want long-term sustainable jobs. Our jobless rate in Maui is increasing directly because visitors in the world are saying Maui has lost its allure and its Hawaiian aloha as being smothered by overdevelopment and class distinction. People are now going to Kauai, and tourism, our economic golden egg is still strong on Kauai, but not on Maui anymore. We need jobs, and if we
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really are talking about jobs, let's build solar power plants right here, right now. We have a 35 megawatt power plant in Kahului --
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MR. HOLTER: --being held together with wire and gum and Band-Aids. It's falling apart and there's no backup plan If it's really about jobs, then we should have, Maui Electric should be here today telling us how they are going to end our County's quarter billion dollar dependence and addiction on imported oil. If it's really about jobs, they should tell us you need to be asking the real questions here. How can we implement real solutions, real jobs and not duplicate past mistakes? We need a plan. . .cutting our utility rates for us, all of us, a real job plan, improving our quality of life and creating real sustainable jobs, including outreach to tourism for Canadians and to incorporating incentives for our airlines to bring tourists to Maui. This solution of a proposal for 1,600 homes is inappropriate. I hope that you'll reconsider it --
MS. NAKATA: Four minutes.
MR. HOLTER: --and that you'll table it for a future event in Maui, in Kihei. Thank you very much.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Holter. Committee Members, questions for the testifier?
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Member Anderson?
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Mr. Holter, thank you for that testimony. I know that you've spent a lot of time and research on the energy problems we have in Maui County. We were told that, Maui Electric told us that when Wailea 670 came up just recently that there wasn't enough power in that area of Maui County, and a new substation would have to be developed. So obviously the same would hold for Makena. So do you know if Maui Electric has to put in another substation for both of these developments, if the cost of that would be passed on through their electric bill to everybody?
MR. HOLTER: All of the development cost for Maui Electric's implementation of a larger capacity will be passed through to the consumer. All of us in this room will be paying for this through higher billing rates. They'll be putting sub-charges on our bills and so forth. The only solution is to begin the construction of these, for example, these solar electric power plants that have been used for the last 20 years in the Southwest and in Spain and in Nevada and proposed now for Arizona. But there's no plan, they're not planning on this. They're still stuck in this old methodology, this old failed policy of passing the increase cost on to the consumers. And all of you hardworking people out there, this is the real solution for jobs, new power plants, new substations, new infrastructure that we can all put you all to work doing this right off the, right off the union bench. We can take carpenters, electricians, and plumbers, and sheet metal
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AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
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t t M n , nd n f n ll r l x nd h, , r , r tt n t n t r n , r tt n t pl n r l x. W v r d h rd nd h v t nt n t r h rd. I th n t b t n fr ? Ar n t j t p p v n v r p r d ? W ll, I d n t th n th t d f r r n , nd th p pl h l v h r nd th p pl h nt t h r l v M n . l , t t , d n t M n , t l t th p pl . I nd r t nd th t th r p ll n The Maui News nd t d th t 6 p r nt f th p pl th t v t d nd. . . n th p ll d th t th d n t nt th r rt. S I n , th h v z n n , l t M n rt d th b t th n th h t th h v . t pl , d n t p l th r z n n . l r pr nt th p pl , ll f th p pl , n t j t th p pl h p f r r p n pp rt nd th p pl th t t nd t l t . G t nd f d t h t th r l n d f, f ll f th p pl r h l v n th l nd. h t fr h rt t . I v d h r b I n t th b h nd th pl nd nj l f . I th n th p pl f th l nd ht t t rt p nd n t r n r f d, b th r th r l th n t h nd r ht n f r , r t r nd r f d
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M . C A MA : Al h . , n n Ch p n. I n pp rt f th pr r . O ? I h r t t t f f r M n rt. I n pp rt f th pr j t b t ll r t j b . I n l p r nt. O ? M . And r n, d h v d ? I h v thr . O ? Y n r ll nd tr l , n , t nd f d t rb b
C AI MO I A: Ex , Mr. Ch p n, n br n r p?
M . C A MA : Y h. t l , d r r d t n fr h l. Wh t r th n t d ? Wh r th n r ? O , f r t, . I tr n t n t ll n d v l . I n t n n lf r pr r . Y n , t l b t Ob n t d th , Ob nt n t d th t. Y . t l n b t h n , b t th h n v t t h n th t G d I t ll ... p pl , j t d n t nd r t nd th t t b t... rr hhh
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M . C A MA : , I t ll n th , th h rtf l. O ? Y t n t n f r n r rd t h I n t p t f d n th t bl ? I n l p r nt f thr . O ? Y t l n h t r th n t d th n j b ? O ? Y , I n pp rt f th pr j t, n th n th t n t r t n . G t t v n . O ? I d n t n h t r th n n b t, p pl , r ll . I r ll d n t.
U I E I IE S EAKE (fr th d n : G , n.
M . C A MA : , I t ll n
C AI MO I A: n n, f l .
M . C A MA : th r b n n . I n n h j t d n t n n h n r n t t p h r nd tr h t, t d h nt t r . I tr n t t p h r nd tr n t f r t h t I n t d f r h ldr n. O ? Wh t I n t v th . All r ht? I v b n n th l nd 0 r , I n t n n b . O ? I n t n t p h r nd I n t t n r t tr v l pl . I n t l v n f r M t rr , I l v f r t today.
U I E I IE S EAKE (fr th d n : Y h
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
M . C A MA : O ? I n I d n t n h t r th n n b t. O ?
C AI MO I A: All r ht. . . .(gavel). . . All r ht, .
M . C A MA : And n h t, I r ll , I j t t t n l b t th th n . O ? All r ht? I n t t p h r nd , n, pl t n , M . And r n, n , b r ll , I r ll n d t .
AU IE CE: . . . (chuckle).. .
M . C A MA : I b , I r ll nt t t ll h t I n t t ll h ldr n. O ? C n, d th th r t n . A . All r ht?
C AI MO I A: O . Mr. Ch p n, r d n ? All r ht. h n f r r t t n , Mr. Ch p n
M . C A MA : Y h.
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n ? Mr. Ch p n? Mr. Ch p n? n? n, . O . M b r And r n h t n f r . M b r And r n? 40 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : Mr. Ch p n
M . C A MA : Y , .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h t j b d d f r th M r n t l?
M . C A MA : I r t th fr nt d , d l th t all day l n . O ? All d . O . h r pr bl , th r n d , h t th t ll b t M nd, n , r th nd ll th t. pl h v ll nd f , . l , n r ? C n. C n. C n n , r ll . C n n , r l .
C AI MO I A: O . Mr. Ch p n, h n n. n n.
M . C A MA : , b I r , th b t f t r f r h ldr n. O ? I n t rr d b t n b d l b t th .
C AI MO I A: O . n, h n n. O . W nd r t nd r p n. M b r And r n, d h v n th r t n ?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : I th n h n r d th t n. . . . (chuckle).. .
M . C A MA : l , n .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , n th r t n f r Mr. Ch p n? O . S n n n , th n f r
AU IE CE: . . .(applause). . .
C AI MO I A: All r ht. All r ht. . . .(gavel). . . O . All r ht, n , h lp t h r . O . xt, h v A hl , nd, A hl , f r v f I pr n n r l t n , t K l [sic]?
MS. KAOWI I: h t .
C AI MO I A: O . S rr .
MS. KAOWI I: It K l .
C AI MO I A: O . And f ll d b K n C .
MS. KAOWI I: O . G d ft rn n, C nt C n l M b r . O . r t ff, I d l t pr nt t f th h dl n f th n p p r th t r ntl b n p bl h d. St rt n ff fr t d , f n b d n th Honolulu Advertiser, " h E n G tt n W r St t S ".
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This is on the headline. So and then also "New Forecast Predicts Bigger '08 Tourism Drop, No Jobs Growth". But actually they kind of colored it for it you. It's pretty interesting, so you want to read that. That's today's newspaper. Also Tuesday, November 18 th, The Maui News "Citigroup Cuts 53,000 Jobs". That's horrible. That, that was sad. Also on November 18 th, "Healthcare Plans Facing Cost Crunch", that's also in the Honolulu Advertiser. The Maui News on November 17th, "County Ordered to Slice Spending, Departments Will Cut 16 Percent to Save Around 55 Million". Also on November 17th, the Honolulu Advertiser, "Layoffs Likely to Deepen in the Year 2009". So these are just some examples that every day, you know, every day it seems that I look in the newspaper or read it that there is a new or even more complicated issue occurring or facing our economy today. Like we all know the unemployment rate is creeping up along with the rate of foreclosure, creating homeless of jobless because mortgages can't be paid. Also, we know unemployment is increasing as our income tax revenues are decreasing. For example, our school, our public school system will not have enough money to pay simple things like electricity or food or buses for the students. Also, the visitor industry is suffering which in turn has caused hotel room taxes to go down. This is causing the County to cut spending. So the biggest issues that Maui County will face in the upcoming year are issues related to the economy. Makena Resort is a project that will help our economy in many ways. Hundreds of jobs will be created in hospitality and construction which are two of Maui's most largest, biggest industries that are severely suffering today. So all of Maui County's citizens will benefit from the increased property tax revenues that this project will bring in. Please, I'm asking you to favorably vote for the future of Maui, and please approve the Makena Resort Change in Zoning request. Mahalo a nui.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Ashley.
MS. KAOWILI: Thank you.
AUDIENCE: . . .(applause). . .
CHAIR MOLINA: Members, any questions? Ashley? Ashley, can I ask you one question? Can you just state your last name for the record for our Secretary?
MS. KAOWILI: Sure. It's Kaowili.
CHAIR MOLINA: Kaowili. Okay. Thank you very much. Next to testify, we have Kainoa Casco followed by Dick Mayer.
MR. CASCO: . . .(change tape, start 3A). . . Members, my name is Kainoa Casco, born and raised in Lahaina, Maui. I'm a Green Development Coordinator for Dowling Company. And after I graduated from Lahainaluna High School, I went off to Portland, Oregon to go to college, and while there, I worked for a green building company. I learned all the benefits of green building and sustainability and the benefit it has to the economy, the environment, and the people. And so when I was moving back to Hawaii after I graduated, I researched top organizations and companies on Maui and in the State of Hawaii who were involved in green building and green
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d v l p nt. And th , th l d r th t I f nd l n C p n . S th r th f r t p r n I nt r nd th t I ll d h I nt d t r f r h n I n b h r , I nt d t d ff r n h r . I nt d t r th t b ld n M th r ht , b r th n v t bl nd h v t r th r ht , nd h v t d t n th t n th ff t n th nv r n nt. And I t ll h d d ff lt f nd n n th r d v l p r r p n n th t r d n n nd f r n b ld n , n nd f r n d v l p nt th t v n t h d h t Mr. l n d n . Y n , h b v nd b nd h t h r r d t d nd h t th r r d n r ht n . And I th n t ld b h n t t ppr v th Ch n n n n f r th M n rt h n th r l d r n r n d v l p nt n th St t f . S x pl f h t r d n , lth h h v n n t t t r tr t nt pl nt th t n t tr t ll th t t r fr M n , t l r p r d, th h l th n n t b r n ff f l r p r, nd th n th t t r tr t d fr th t n t b d t rd rr t n nd l nd p n t r d th nt f fr h p t bl t r th t n d t dr n . And ll th b ld n n th , t M n rt ll b EE rt f d, h h E t d h d t b 0 p r nt r n r ff nt th n th M d l En r C d . S th t , r t l n b t r d n th n d f r n r nd l. h t n t I n h d r th th t? Al , h v th t r t r f lt r h h ll th t r t r n r t d n t ll t h n l f ltr t n t nd th n ll nt , h n t t f lt r d thr h th t r , t n t nt r t nt n b n h h th n n t r d th nt f h l th t nt th r f , nt th b h. C I n th t b n rn h r . Gr n p h r I l v d t d v , I l v d t rf nd ll th t, I r b t th b h. I, t h rd t f nd n b d l n th St t f th t t n th t n r ht n . W r l n t n t x h l fr f rt l z r f r l nd p n t r d th t r n ff f t d r n nt th n. All th h r n t h v l r p n l n t p t p r th h t r d th n d f n r nd l tr t nd r d r f r n d p nd n n l.
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . CASCO: And I v j t, I pp rt th M n rt Ch n n n n . I th n h v t t b h nd l d r l Mr. l n h r tr n t b n x pl f r r n d v l p nt n . h n .
C AI MO I A: h n , Mr. C . C tt M b r , t n ? n n, Mr. C .
ICE C AI O A I A: Ch r n?
C AI MO I A: C n l b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n v r h f r b n , nd n r t l t n n h n f ld f th f t r
M . CASCO: h n .
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : nd h p f ll f th pr nt. Y nt n d th t rt n nt f th t r fr , ll d dn t nt n h h b t d t r fr th tr t nt pl nt ll b r l d I n t .
M . CASCO: ht.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h v , f r rr t n, d n h h th t ld nt t ?
M . CASCO: I, I d n t h v th n b r n th t r ht n . I n I r t ll h n d p nd n n, n , h n , h t nd f pr v nt p t t th r rt. I
COU CI MEM E A E SO : n h h h v t xp nd th t t r tr t nt pl nt?
M . CASCO: I n r ht n r , t v r, th p t f t, t v r. . . l t r th n h t n d r ht n , h t h v r ht n , nd I pr tt r th t t, t ll v r ll f th d v l p nt t M n rt.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . h n v r h.
M . CASCO: Y r l .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , M b r And r n. M b r nt n ll ?
ICE C AI O A I A: h n , Ch r n. Mr. C , nt n d b t th t t r tr t nt pl nt
M . CASCO: Y h.
ICE C AI O A I A: b n p r d b l r p n l .
M . CASCO: Y h.
ICE C AI O A I A: n th tt n th t?
M . CASCO: Oh. . .I, d h v t, I d n t, I d dn t r z t. I d n t h v t th r ht n . t I n, f l t r, I n t th t t .
ICE C AI O A I A: O . h n . h n , Ch r n.
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C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. nt n ll . C tt M b r , n th r t n f r Mr. C ? S n n n , th n f r r t t n .
M . CASCO: h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , h v M r f ll d b M h l d n.
M . MAYE : h n , C n l M b r . M n M r. I v t , I n t b d n t p rt f t t n . On , I n t p n b h lf f th n th G AC r t . I Ch r f th G n r l l n Adv r C tt . h n, I d l t nt n n p r t fr th t. I p d t t r l t n th t d pt d b th G AC n, rl r th r, nd n th r th th t d n t th nd f h n t th t nt l th G n r l l n Adv r C tt h h d n pp rt n t t t r nd t n . ht n r l n t th nd d r n th n xt r t , th n xt v r l ll b n v r nt n v l nt th r nt S th M ll W t M t h r d v l p nt h ld t pl , h r t h ldn t t pl . And r n t b n d r n ll f th f t r h t r, h h , , dr n , t t r , t t r . And h p f ll , ll b bl t v pr h n v r nd t n. W r l n t b l n t h n n d , t t r , nd r n , pl , d n t th nd f d n t th t nt l h v th r nd t n fr . h t th t t nt I d l t j t n b h lf f th G AC. It r l t n th t h v n fr nt f .
M n nt n p r t fr th t. I d n t b l v n ppr v l n d d t th t . I th n h v n h h nd n t lr d nt tl d n th l nd t t r f r d t n tr t n n d nd f r th n tr t n n d nt th f t r . And I d l t v n x pl , nd th t r ht n th pr p rt t lf. h t , v n f d n r z n n t ll, lr d h h ndr d f r f l nd, x , h, th n l 0 r f l nd th t lr d z n d f r d v l p nt. S f d d n th n , t f th t n A 2 z n n nd A z n n . At v n ht, ht, ht n t p r r r pr b bl t l n b t l t ,000 n t th t ld b b lt t d t p t th n tr t n r r t r . I ld l t d f th ff rt n th p rt f th d v l p r t b ld th n t f r t, h h t th n d , h th t th n d th r ht l r th n nd th t r r t nt n nd th p r f t n nd v d dr n pr bl , t t r , b f r r z n f r n th r ,000 n t . h r n n d t v th t h t th t , b t b ll ld b l nd b n d. h r n r h t d th t th t . W l h v j t p th tr t fr th r W l 6 0, ,400 n t . h r r pl nt f j b v l bl n S th M th t n b b lt. W d n t n d t r z n t th nt. A f r th d v l p r h lf nd h tr r rd, Mr. l n h pr p rt p n l n h h r z n d f r rb n f r. . . n th C n t l n nd h t th nt tl nt f r t t p t p h r fr th l n r n l p th r , th t h n t b n b lt. K l l ppr v d lr d d d , t t ll h n t b n b lt t. h r r n n tr t n j b v l bl v n fr th d v l p r l t l n fr ll f th th r d v l p nt th t r t th r .
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W th r rd t th r n t l pl , t nt r t n h n f th h v h r t d r ll , nt ll p d f r b th d v l p r h lf t b h r . Y d n t h t l r r fr K n p l h r , fr W l h r , fr ll th th r h t l p nd d n K h n , h , n d r j b . h r p pl p d t b f r . And t th W l nd t th r n t l pl , I t , h t d th n th tr ff n th t h h ll b f th pr j t b lt t? th n ll b bl t t t r l ? h t h h nn t b d n d n r . And h t ll h v th n f th ,000 n t dd d t th ,000 ppr x t l th t th pr b bl lr d n b ld, ll t t l r dl n th t h h f r tt n t nd fr r , b th r ll pr b bl b n ff rd bl h n
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . MAYE : f r pl n th t r . Y ll ll b h v n t t l n th t p rt l r th r hf r . tl , t rl r nt n d n th l d h , n th v rh d th t th b n n th r r 2000. I ld l t h h dl n fr M n p p r, "S v M n nd M ". h rt l r tt n n 4. S v M n . And n h r v r l v l p t r f Ch rl M x ll h r . . . nd, nd h t d n h r xt n v l , nd I d l t r d fr th t fr d fr nd Ch rl M x ll h t t f r t th t t n b n 4. And th n n f th v r f r t t n n M n . d, " h n l t . W ll, ll t t r t th t,". . . nt n n . . .h d, tt n ff v f ppl . M x ll rn d th t th th n h ld n t h pp n t
MS. AKA A: r n t .
M . MAYE : M n . " h p pl f M ll h v t p n . h th r l t tr n h ld". l t n t v d n t n, " t n t t d n n r l , n r f nn . t t b n n th t r n t th r z n n ". A M x ll t, nd n t n n, " h l l p pl r b n p h d t h l th p n t r t nd th r h h l p pl fr th nl nd n ff rd th , th t p f h th t r b n b lt".
C AI MO I A: O . Mr. M r, I h v t t p r t t n . Y v lr d n v r th f r n t r .
M . MAYE : h n v r h.
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n f r Mr. M r. M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n , Ch r n. I j t nt t t dv nt f r G AC n l d , Mr. M r. h r nd t n G AC r nd t n n t t th p f pr j t b t t v r ll d v l p nt n M th t h ld ff nt l th G AC d n f r n l r d v l p nt ?
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : And n th . . . ll, f r t I nt d t , r M I l nd l n h h n t t rb n r th b nd r , d h v n dr ft n nd? I n h dr ft f r rd fr th p rt nt t th G AC t?
M . MAYE : Y . W h v t, r r n n dr ft th t p t t th r b th p rt nt.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . S n t ll r ht n f th r n l d d n th rb n r th b nd r ?
M . MAYE : In th dr ft t , b t t h n t t b n r v d b th , b th G AC t lf, nd th ll b l n t th t. And I n th t d d n b r f h r tt n S th M h r th r d nt f ll f S th M nd t d v r t n f h ld b h n n th t rb n r th b nd r fr h t r nd d.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . And th n n th t t n h n " ", r t l n b t th G AC?
M . MAYE : Y .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h r r t n th " r t r " b . . . nt l t r j b d n , b th r r v r 6,000 n t h h h v lr d r v d nt tl nt t b ld.
M . MAYE : C rr t.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : S d n f th 6,000 n t h v t r, f, f th v tt n t th t h r th h v r v d th r t nt f r t r r t r t r?
M . MAYE : , th h v n t. t ll f th b n n . M n f th ld f th h v l nd nt tl nt , th d n t h v t r, nd th d v l p r ld h v t nd h th t r rd n t r r l t n r ht n I nd r t nd t.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . h n , Mr. M r.
C AI MO I A: h n , M b r And r n. C tt M b r , t n ? C n l b r M d r ?
COU CI MEM E ME EI OS: M h l , Mr. Ch r n. Mr. M r, th n f r r t t n nd f r r pr n th rn n . n th t r n th G AC nd r th v h r, I b l v , r ht.. .
M . MAYE : Y .
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COU CI MEM E ME EI OS: . . . n v n r t pr j t n f h n th G n r l l n nd th M I l nd l n ll b pl t d nd ppr v d? n r r l n t?
M . MAYE : h , th G AC ll b n t r nd t n t b th nd f br r , M r h st, nd th t b f n n xt n n th t th C n l v t t pl t r r . It ll th n t th l nn n C n f r th r r v , nd th n pr b bl t th nd f 200 t ll t th C n l nd t ll b p t h f t t t th t ppr v l. S n v bl ll h v t , b t th t n xt r ll h v p f t n r d th h r pr h n v l t ll f th l nd , n t j t S th M b t ll f th r f M , rb n r th b nd r , h th r th nfr tr t r n h ndl t, h h t ld t, th nd f .
COU CI MEM E ME EI OS: And I n ppr t r r nd t n t t f r th G n r l l n nd th r t b h nd th t. t n l ht f r n nd h r t nd r ht n , d th n th t r l t t t p v r th n nt l th G n r l l n ppr v d?
M . MAYE : I th n th t th p nt, th t th r r 6,000 th t r lr d nt tl d, n l d n th d v l p r h n th t . If l t th l r p rt f r p th t h v t th rn n , th t p n r , th r ll r h r h n t n f r h n . h r ll A 2 z n n lr d . ld n t rr rn n nd ppl f r th d v l p nt f th r . S . . . nd th t ,000, n , ht t h t v r th 0 r ll t th r n ll th t p n r . h l t, l t f n t th t h ld b ld t d . S I d n t th n n n , r, r n t n ll n t n n t p d v l p nt fr t n pl , n t t nt n W l 6 0 r ht p th tr t.
COU CI MEM E ME EI OS: S , h t r n th t th pr j t th t h v r v d th r nt tl nt nd f rth h ld f r rd, b t n th n th t n d n nd f C n t l n A nd nt r z n n h n h ld t nt l th G n r l l n b n r v d nd ppr v d b th C n l?
M . MAYE : I th n th t th r t t th G AC th t , , b th r r n d v l p r h h v n t I n th n th t n t n . t A& , M nd nd n , nd d z n f th r h v n fr ll v r th l nd h ll b l n t f th t r r . And I th n t p t th G AC nd v nt ll t th C n l bv l h ll p th f l th n t d d h h f th r r ll th b t n nd h h n n b b t h ndl d.
COU CI MEM E ME EI OS: h n , Mr. M r, I ppr t r t t n . M h l , Mr. Ch r n.
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. M d r . Mr. nt n ll ?
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Page 2 and the thing that caught my eye is that, you know, you say we have entitlements for 16,000 units today.
MR. MAYER: Yes. Yes.
VICE-CHAIR PONTANILLA: How far back do we, or do you know, if you know, that these entitlements for, you know, some of these projects has gone?
MR. MAYER: Many of them go very far back and have not been built. A lot, a lot of them are actually right here in Kahului area. The Maui Lath project I think, I forget, 2,400, 2,500 units; Kehalani another, well over 1,000 units still have not been built and are being built, the ones in both Maui Lani--and so they are building out. Those jobs are there, they're entitled, they're closer to the water supplies and will probably provide homes for a lot of local residents. The question will be do we want to build? And that's the question that the GPAC will be wrestling with. I don't know how the body's going to act. We'll be deciding, do we really want to build these kind of residences that probably will be affordable, or would we want to build places down in Makena, which I think most of us would agree will probably not be affordable. That will be the decision you have to make.
VICE-CHAIR PONTANILLA: So is it safe to say that some of these projects go back probably 1980 or maybe late 1970?
MR. MAYER: Yes. And, and like Maui Lath as I said, they all of a sudden, they got a huge number well over, I think over 3,000 units and they've been building them, but they still have a lot more that they can build.
VICE-CHAIR PONTANILLA: Yes. Thank you. Thank you for that information. Thank you, Chairman.
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Member Pontanilla. Member Anderson?
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Yeah. Just real quick, Chair. Dick, do you know of the entitled lands that Dowling has in projects that you mentioned, how many units that translates to?
MR. MAYER: I, I looked at the pink map, the map that you had in front of you this morning--
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: No. No. No. Not for Makena Resort, but like Kulamalu and all the other projects that he has. One Palauea Bay and, and...
MR. MAYER: Yeah, the Palauea Bay, I don't know. The one up in Pukalani I believe there are about 80 units, 70-80, something in that range, units that he has the entitlement for that. On his own project in Kulamalu there's a large shopping area that has been very slowly being built, and then what did happen was, and I didn't mention in my testimony, but there was a senior citizen housing project that was supposed to be built there. And rather than building that senior citizen
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h n , h ld th l nd ff t n th r d v l p r h p t p h h h r n t n r fr ndl t ll h h r , r ld ff. h r l ht p n n f r I th n f r 0 d th t n r ld b n th r ft r th t, th r j t r t ld pr . S , n , I th n , h v t l t th v r , v r r f ll . h t, th t ...
COU CI MEM E A E SO : n h n n t t K l l h v n t b n b lt t?
M . MAYE : A l t f th n t th t r r n ll n th pr p l r n t b lt b th l nd ld ff t K h h S h l f r th r h l t . S th t v r 00 r f th t l nd. h r h n b lt, b t I d n t n h n r h ll b b lt th r . h r , th r l t f r l p l ft.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y h. C h t t r.
M . MAYE : Uh h h, .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . h n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , M b r And r n. An th r t n f r Mr. M r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n .
M . MAYE : h n nd d l , C n l M b r .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n . xt t t t f , h v M h l d n f ll d b n W v r.
M . OW E : Ch r n M l n , C n l M b r , I M h l d n. I b r f th M C nt rd f W t r S ppl . I d l t nt n f rr nd n th pr p d r z n n , th f r t f h h th t r ll h v n t r n th p bl t . h r n r d nd n n th C nt t . h t n n, I b l v , t ll f fr Apr l n f th r. Ell n Kr ft h h d f W t r r v n pp r d b f r th M C nt rd f W t r S ppl nd v r p n t n l p nt d t t th t r n t pl h rt f t r Up ntr , b t r h rt n b th C ntr l nd S th nd l W t M . h d v l p nt p ll n S th M f r W l , f r n t n , h v v r 2,000 ll n d d p r p t n W l pp d t M r v r h j t 00 ll n d p n K l . And I d l t l p t h t K n C d n t r f r n b lt, r n b ld n , nd r n d v l p nt. It pp r t p r n h r d th t n bl d n f r b t 40 r n th t r n b ld n . . . t, t tr n th t h n r b ld n f th r d nd n th t n th n th t h ff th t pr p rt ll d t r r t r n r h r t r nd r r f , th t n t r ll r n b ld n . Y h v r n b ld n nd, nd r, nd r d tr n r h l l nd lt r l l nd p ? h t n t r n b ld n . h p t n th t h l r , I n ll th nt nt r nt r nd W l 6 0 nd th t th tr n pp t n f th S th M n t t th d v l p nt -50- A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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b d n th p t n th n t nd n r n t r l r r . I th n th t, th t C n l b r t r n t n I th n v r ll nt nt n d, p ll n t r f r n t pr nt. t I th n t d d n t r f th p t th t t ll h v , th l t n p t n r n t nd r lt r l r r . h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , Mr. d n. C tt M b r , t n ? C n l b r nt n ll ?
ICE C AI O A I A: h n , Ch r n. h n , Mr. d n, f r b n h r th rn n . In r rd t r t t nt r rd n r d nd n , t r, t n d h h ld d th t?
M . OW E : W ll, th pl l t n , nd th ntr th t t p pl r p t, dr ll. t h n h v USGS r p rt n r n l n t f r th n 200 f t n th I nd W h A f r th n b t 20 r , nd th f r r th r t n n f r d v l p nt n C ntr l nd S th M . And n , f r , th W t M W Eh d n t d r , r r ll n rt n f h t r t r r r r . And I th n n rl , rl r t t f r p nt d t, l t f th r , v n M n r h dr l t , bj t t f rth r r t n . I th n n l nd n t r ll n d t f ll n tr d t n nd v l b v v r th n l r t r r r .
ICE C AI O A I A: h n f r th t t t nt. Ch r n, f I n h n r t n?
C AI MO I A: r d, Mr. nt n ll .
ICE C AI O A I A: h n . Wh t d th n b t nt r t n?
M . OW E : . . . d n?
AU IE CE: . . . (chuckle).. .
C AI MO I A: S t , t r t .
ICE C AI O A I A: Y h. Int r t n f t r t , nt r t n E t M t r h d t pr v d r r t Up ntr ll C ntr l M .
M . OW E : I th n th f r t t p t rd n n f l nt r t n ld b f r th C nt t t t n thr h n nt d n t r p r n nt nd p n t th t r r r f E t M . It pl x t n. K n , th tr d t n l h t d r nd n t v n n E t M , h v b n b l t l d pr v d h t th r d tr nt f, f th r nt tl nt t th r nn n t r . h t r h d t lf h d t r r t d n d r bl . h
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n r h r t r nd th r f t nd th f h n h v ll d t r r t d. S I th n th t , nt t r t n n f l b l n . t f nt t b n, n d t , th C nt n d t t ntr l nd h v th p l t l ll t t ntr l f th t r r r .
ICE C AI O A I A: h n . h n , Ch r n.
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. nt n ll . M b r , n th r t n f r Mr. d n?
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: S n n n , nd d t n, Mr. d n, nd th n f r r rv n th W t r rd. W n r j b n t rv n n th t b rd ll.
M . OW E : h n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n . xt t t t f , h v n W v r f ll d b E rl l .
MS. WEA E : . h n f r h v n th t n . I f l t d t rb d b t th h l d v l p nt th t n n, nd I r ll ppr t th t t d dn t j t t l pp d thr h l t nd th t h v h n t t ll r f l n b t t. I d l t r t n xt n n n t ft r v r b d l h p n f I d n t f n h. I j t fl n fr K . M th r h v n r r nd I nt d t b h r t p . I d n t f l, I d l t r r h l t r . I h v . . .?
C AI MO I A: nt t , I , d l n r pp rt n t r ht n nd b t l t r t ?
MS. WEA E : , n . I nt t p n nd f r th
C AI MO I A: Y h. Y h v p t f r n t t , t p .
MS. WEA E : And th n n t th r l th n th t n
C AI MO I A: . W r n t n t pr v d th t pt n t d b h v b t n th r 00 t t f r t thr h. S pl nt n .
MS. WEA E : O . W ll, th r h pl nn d t b d v l p d, nd n d t r n r nd t n nd t r t b t n t th n t r h nt . I n , I h v p th f r v r b d th t fr d b t th r j b . h th n th t t n t j t h rt ht d th n . It th n th t, h t b t ,000 r fr n ? Y n ? It n d , M n d t b b t f l pl . It n t j t pp d t b O h . W lr d h v O h nd W , nd I d n t nd r t nd h p pl fr th r n r n th t h, t p rt nt t h v th d v l p nt t t t r t h r , b th r n th t r t t M b th r
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t ll b t l ft h r . And t j t l th r th b t j b nd b t j t d ff r nt th t r n n h r . W n d t r ll t r t nd r n nd t n . Ev n h t b t W l 6 0? h t r h d thr h nd th nd f l r n f r th t, b t ll n d t r n f r th t d v l p nt nd ll th th r n . h p pl h th n th t th n t b d f r th r j b , I th n th r n t h v t fl n ll nd f n tr t n r r fr th nl nd. h r ll n t b d dv nt f r ll f . M n rt ll b n h r f pl nn n th f t r f M n St t r . I th t r r h t? I n t lr d b n pr v n th t r l n h r n, b t th r n x pl b t th n th t h d t l p thr h th nd th t.
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
MS. WEA E : h r ll th th n , ll nd f, th tr r rd h r b b r n f n th r n f h pr j t , r d n r th n r ll t n , r n th r d h 20 f t, f n l r d n bl pr nt n n d b th l nn n r t r, tt n nd r d n n r h l l r . It n nd n. And th t r n r , ll f th l th US G l l S rv n l r t r d t n p nt, th tr n r n r . And I th n th t f ll f ld l t l ,000 r fr n . . .l t , j t l n t r ht n , I n t, th p pl h nt j b
MS. AKA A: r n t .
MS. WEA E : d th t n ll th nt l v r r n h f ll d? W n d t h v r pl nn n nd h v tt t h lp th C n l t th r d n , t n t b p bl f r ll f t j t d n th h t r r h h b n d n lr d . W ll n d t h lp. h t xtr n t lr d ?
C AI MO I A: Ex , M . W v r, I h v t t p r t t n . Y h. Y r f r n t r p. O . W h v t n f r fr M b r And r n.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h USGS t th t j t d, th tr n r n r .
MS. WEA E : Uh h h.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Wh t th t n r f r n t ?
MS. WEA E : W ll t n, t M 2002, n rl rn n f r n rld t r r , n rt l b t n , . On th p r d l nd f M , h r f th rld h v t r n p lt l h p , nt t b r nd r t r b dl th t n ll n b nt n t d b lt, v n h r th r th t t r n th l nd. And t W ll M r h h d . . . (change tape, start 3B). . . th r n l d r t r th t d th t.
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MS. WEA E : W t r, th n fr v n . r r n t. I f r t h h n . . . . (chuckle). . .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : All r ht. h n v r h.
C AI MO I A: h n , M b r And r n. C tt M b r , n th r t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n , M . W v r.
AU IE CE: . . .(applause). . .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , h v E rl l f ll d b K l .
ICE C AI O A I A: Ch r n?
C AI MO I A: Y , Mr. nt n ll ?
ICE C AI O A I A: l n n t t ll?
C AI MO I A: Y h. M b r , th Ch r r f th t . I n th r t h th t r r l n t th r . I d l t f r r nd l n , M b r . I d l t t th p t 2: 0 f p bl , nl th r bj t n . M b r , n I h v f db ? I f h n n . M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Ar n t t n h r nd h lf br
C AI MO I A: Y .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : f t 2: 0?
C AI MO I A: Y , 2: 0. And th Ch r l n t 2: 0 nd n b t 2:00.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O .
C AI MO I A: O . h n f r r nd l n , M b r . O . W h v , n, E rl l . t h r ? O . W h ll v n. W h v K l f ll d b Ch z n.
M . KA UA: C n v r b d h r ll r ht? O .
C AI MO I A: G h d, . G d.
M . KA UA: G d l t n n h, Ch r, M b r f th C tt , C n l M b r , nd v r b d th t h r t d . M n Ez l K l nd I v n th r h t , b t t d I j t n t p n nd v d l. I j t nt d t p l z f I ff nd d n b d rl r b
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h h n t d n th h ll, b t t r ll h rd t h r n h r . Al , I nt t th n v r b d th t h r t d f r r n t th pr j t b th , th h t d n t , nd nn t l t h dd n r n f d v l p nt d v d n th t nd f . I pp d t th pr j t, b t I ld t ll h h nd th n n f th t r f r t r ll nt tl d t r p n n. I th n th n th n th t r ll n t b n p n b t t d pr l. Spr l. h C nt h nv l p d l t f t n th rt r th n t nd nf ll, th t h r r n n rb n r th b nd r . h t h r r n n th n l th t th t n t h lp M tr n r n t . Ev r th n h b n t l d b t, b t th r n t h v th r n pl nt. h h v t h v th r n pl nt. h h v t . W d n t h v th p t n th t r . h nt t p t n d l n t n pl nt. h h v t p t n d l n t n pl nt, th r n t r n th r . O ? t t p b n , n , h ld d b ll f th . . . ll, n , th r d n h d th n . h h v t d th th n . h h v t . It n t I nt t . h r n t b n ppl d d f r t n t hn l th t b n d ll v r th rld nd pl r n t h r t b th f r t n M . They have to. Oth r , th nn t b ld th d v l p nt. Y n Ev r tt l n n t b d n I n t h r t h n (inaudible). . . n th n . n t, h d n l t f d th n f r th n t . pr v d n l t f th p pl th j b h th r t b th d v l p nt r n th r n , nd th t n d d r ht n . h n nd th n t n ff r n r ht n . t th b tt l n , p pl , th t b n p r n fr h n , t h r f t n n tr ff , r xp r n t th h t l suck. And h n t n d nt n th l th t th tr ff b p f r f r t x h r nd p pl th r fl ht nd th n h v t p $ ,000 r b v h t th h d pl nn d n th r v t n b d t j t t t h , it sucks. And p pl hate th t. h t h th h t t rt n t t M . h hate it b t n t M n r . O h lr d n l nd, ? W nt t b Kn tt rr r v r h r . O ?
AU IE CE: . . . (laughter).. .
M . KA UA: W nt t b d ff r nt. O ? W nt t , nt t t ll b th b t l nd n th n t . C n tr t n r r , I l v nd I r p t h t d . t l r r , th th n . Y n , I d t r n tr t n. I t pp d b I l , n h t, th r b d l th t n d th j b r th n I d , nd I d n th n l . And I 2 r ld, b t t b , nd I v n v r n d h n l f th r th n h n I n th nl nd, nd n h t, t . It th t th r r p pl th n n th C nt f M n r ht n , nd f th f th nt t b th r , th n t ll th d n t nt t . t n th r t f ll v l nd t l h t p t f r d thr h h l . h t l h t p t f d n r t bl , p f r r t l t , nd ll t n h . And n h t, f I n t b r nt r f r th r t f l f b t th th pt n t t l t t M n nd nj t, th t h I nt t t b .
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . KA UA: And th r r pr t th r , n tr t n r r , th r r . n lt r nd M r lr d t ld b t ll th th r nt tl nt th t th d v l p r, n f n ,
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lr d h . h t n h ld t n b t Mr. l n h nn t b ld v r th r n t d? If n b ld K l l t rr , h nn t b ld v r th r n t d? And I ll t ll n, p pl , r n t n t . W j t n th t th t n lt r nd lt r ll p f pl , n b n l nd. It j t l th t r d, M l M n , ff Alr d .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. K l .
AU IE CE: . . .(applause). . .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n ? M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : t , . W r n th t th r r r l l p pl l v n n n th n th r r n th l nd f M ?
M . KA UA: Y p.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O .
M . KA UA: h l t n l t 8 ,000 r t r d.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : And r th r t r d , r t l n b t ? Ar . . .th r n t n t v n , th r l l r d nt f M ?
M . KA UA: Ex tl .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : W .
M . KA UA: It n t v n n th n .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y h.
M . KA UA: p n , l p n , h l t v r b d .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y h.
M . KA UA: And, nd t f th p pl r fr M . h r n t b rn n O h nd v d h r b th nt d ll r t ph r . I n th t, th r f r d t v th h t th n n t f d th r f l .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Aff rd bl l f ?
M . KA UA: Aff rd bl l f .
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COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Thank you.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Member Anderson. Any other questions for Mr. Kalua? Seeing none, mahalo for your testimony, Zeke.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay, Chisa. . .next to testify, Chisa Dizon followed by Lisa Judge. Chisa, I hope I pronounced your name correctly. Forgive me if I didn't. Thank you.
MS. DIZON: It's Chisa, but it's okay.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you.
MS. DIZON: At least it's not Cheetos or something. . . . (chuckle).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: . . .(chuckle). . .
MS. DIZON: All right. My name's Chisa and I am born and raised on Kauai. I've lived here for a couple of years now looking for work, like everybody else in this room. Okay. I just want to again beg the Council to please have a meeting at night in Kihei so we can be here more in numbers, people who are opposing this. Okay. I just, I keep it pretty simple because I don't know everything that's going on, but I'm a bodyboarder, or I try to be one, and I love going down Oneloa, Big Beach, and I think that some of you guys like to do that, too. How would you like to be swimming and you see all kind rubbish in the water? Okay. Fecal matter, aka doo doo. Get plenty in the water already, choke. It's disgusting that we're just polluting our water like that, and that's how it's affecting me personally. I've spoken to many tourists--I do nails at the Four Seasons, one the best hotels I think, and they don't want to come over here if we have all this development going on. They want to keep it like this. If you guys want more development, go Honolulu, build over there. We want you guys to be busy building things that we need, things that will benefit us in the future. All this archeological sites, all these heiaus, all these awesome sites that get all over that land, it's such a shame that we would just build on that. That is so like, it's disrespect to your kupuna, your elders, you know, your ancestors that's on that land. I would never think about building on my tutu's grave, never. I can't even speak of it. I think that is just so dirty. We need to take care of this aina, we need to take care of our land, it will give back to us. You guys going get a couple fat paychecks guarantee, you guys going be able to afford your Explorers and your Hummers and whatever you guys going buy, big screen TVs. But is that really all that necessary? We need to just live within our means. I'm broke, just like everybody else. I have nothing. I'm a single mother, too, trying to support my family. I haven't worked in two weeks, they shut off my cellphone already. But I'm going to do what's pono, I'm going to do what's right. I'm not going to stand by everybody who like build on, on these heiaus, not to mention, yeah, the birds and the endangered species and all that. Protect them, yeah, but we need to take care of our number one and aloha is ohana. Basically being Hawaiian is all about being with our family. I don't have much, but I going try give you guys as
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h I h v . And f ll d th t, ll n t r . I h v n th n , nd h v n th n th . W n th n t th r. W n r ff th l nd, n r t p t t . h b rl l r n h fr . I n pl f p pl l r n h fr , t . W n r p t t nd r n r n h fr .
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
MS. I O : W n. . .th r h th n n d n th l nd, n t nt, n t n th r nt n f nt f r p pl h r l n f r h t t? th f n t nd h n t n th t rn h ph r . S nd h . I d n t v n h v n h . I n t v t d n xt nth. I n b h n t. r r l. Al h . W r pp d t b l t f l h . And I j t n h h nd I n th b p t r, l h , h , l h , l l , h h , h n . K ndn , n t , r bl , h l t , d t , p t n , nd p r v r n . If ll t nd t th r, br th r nd t r , br h, I n v v r th n th t I t t . If ll d th t t th r, ll pr rv th l nd. W ll, th l nd ll t r f .
MS. AKA A: r n t .
MS. I O : n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Ch .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , Ch . xt t t t f , h v d f ll d b l C b ll r .
MS. U GE: G d ft rn n, C tt Ch r M l n nd C n l M b r . I d . I rr ntl St t nd U C n r. I l r n p l r r f M n r p rt nd f r r l nn n r t r. t I h r t d t p pr v t t z n. Aft r r d n r nt d t r l n The Maui News nd l t n n t f t d t t n , t l r t th t p pl d n t nd r t nd th t M n lr d h z n n nd th t th ppl t n pr ntl b f r j t t th z n n n t nt th th K h M n C n t l n th t d pt d b th C n l b n 8. And j t l ttl b r nd. A M r d, th M n rt t rt d n b r f 4, h n th l nd h n d fr A r lt r t Urb n b th St t nd U C n. h C nt r nt d z n n j t f r l t r. h M n rt d d n th 80 G n r l l n nd t l n th 8 K h M n C n t l n. h ppl t n th t r n d r n t d r lt f th h n th t r d t th 8 K h M n C n t l n. And n f r ll, th d pt n f th t pl n n t pl tt r. It t v r x r th t z n dv r tt t n , lt pl l nn n C n t n , v r l f h h r h ld n K h , v r l nd U C tt t n , l t r ll x r f t n nd f ll l n t n n M r h 6, 8, th th C nt C n l d pt n th K h M n C n t l n f l t th pl n n 4 , nd r l nn n St nd rd , nd r th h d n nd 8 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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U St nd rd, t nd t th t ll z n n ppl t n nd r pr p d l nd h ll b n t nt th th l nd p tt h d t th K h M n C n t l n S n , th ppl nt b tt d th ppl t n t d j t th t, t br n th z n n nt nf r n th th n C n t l n n f l t th C n t l n n 4 , nd r th t n n v rn nt pl nt t n, t t ll th t th v rn nt pp d t pl nt th C n t l n b d f n pr nt z n n t n rp r t th l nd d l n n th n pl n. S , n, n 2000 th C n l d d j t th t. h nd U C tt h d h ld v r l t n nd r nd d ppr v l f th ppl t n th 4 nd t n . h pr bl , th t th f ll C n l h n v r t n t n n th t C tt r nd t n n th l t ht r . S n d , I h v t h l h n p pl th t M n b n f t tr d h n n f t th ppl t n h b n p nd n f r ht l n r . And n th r p bl n pt n, t th t p pl t th n th t th th l t ppr v l b f r n tr t n ll b n. n n f l r th th C nt pr n th t
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
MS. U GE: th nl th v r b nn n f r n d v l p nt. An n tr t n ll r r n r p r t , th r SMA p r t , bd v n ppr v l , b ld n p r t , ll f h h r r f rth r St t nd C nt r v nd ppr v l . And l tl , nd I ll r p th p, t l d t rb n t th l tt r d p r n th d v l p r. I ld j t l t r nd th n t th t th l n C p n h b n r t t z n f th C nt f M . In p r t n th th p rt nt f n nd th h v b lt v r 400 h f r n f l n W h nd h n . And n th l t thr r th l n C n t nd t n h v n v r $ . ll n t d z n f M r n z t n , th v r ll n n t rd d t n l n d . S n n l n, t h t n v r ht r t ppr v th n th t n t nt th th K h M n C n t l n, th n th t h ld b j t tt r f pr d r . th t t t t n.
MS. AKA A: r n t .
MS. U GE: I h bl th t v t t d nd ppr v th ppl t n t th M n z n n nf r t th K h M n C n t l n, nd I th n ll f r r t .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , M . d . C n l b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n , M . d , f r b n h r . t t f rth r l r f th n pt n th t t th r , th M n r z n n ppr v d b th nd U C tt th 4 nd t n . And th r n t h n t f r rd t th C n l b th n r r f d t n n l t r l r nt t th nd t n , nd th t r r nt f r C nt C d n rd r t br n th n f r rd f r f r t r d n , th h v t n n r nt th t t f l d th th r f C nv n nd r n th th d d n th l nd. And th r f d
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t d th t, nd th t th r n t n v r f r rd f r f n l ppr v l. It n t th f lt f th b d , nd I j t nt t th t v r l r f r v r n .
MS. U GE: O . h n f r th t l r f t n.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n .
MS. U GE: It nd r t nd n , t , th t th , th t th d v l p r n
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h rr nt n r h n nt f r rd n l t r l r nt th h n , th t h h v t r v th t n.
MS. U GE: O . h n f r r t .
C AI MO I A: O . M b r , n th r t n ? C n l b r nt n ll ?
ICE C AI O A I A: h n . h n , M . d , f r b n h r . I nd r n f n l v p f r t t n f r th M b r ?
MS. U GE: Oh, b l t l . Y . C n I j t l n t p I v t l l t f n t , r ld l t n th h nd r tt n f r t?
ICE C AI O A I A: nd r tt n f r t d.
MS. U GE: O .
ICE C AI O A I A: h n .
MS. U GE: W ll d . h n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , M b r nt n ll . An th r t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , M . d . xt t t t f , h v l C b ll r f ll d b nn n.
MS. CA A E O: Al h ll. M n l C b ll r nd I l v n K h . h r n h I h t p d r n th h r n t v p n n nd th ht f M , nd ll f t r n th b t f l l nd. I r p n th nl nd n th r nd t t l n t t t h r . W th G d h lp I h r nd th h r I h t h nd h p f ll d . I f l bl t d t v p n n nd t n t ll. . .t th f t r f M n , h h t t f l n n n t r l nd b t f l nd r th t G d h pr nt d t , n h n f r th r h t nj nd x l d ll th l l f l h l v h r . And th n rn f r I rf t h. Wh t h pp n h n th r n ff fr th p t d t th b h? Wh t h pp n h n th l f ff t d. . . h n th n h pp n nd h n , n , t n r h t v r? If th f h, f nn t t th f h, - 60 - A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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what's going to happen to us, you know? Where will the sewage pumps dump their waste? Where will all the new people park at Big Beach? Will I be welcomed and will all your families be welcomed in this community and in its shopping mall, or will we all just be workers who sell to the rich and go to our side of town at the end of our shifts? Would you feel comfortable demolishing your family's livelihood? My grandmother's dream was to come back home and die here, and she never made it. And I speak on behalf of her and behalf of you. This is not a Hawaiian thing. This is people who love the aina. My support and blessings to all the carpenters and construction workers because we all need jobs, we all need to eat, we all need to feed our families. And we respect you all and we all want you to work. If the business people are truly concerned about money in the hands of local families, do not outsource out of our local union. We want something in writing to show that our men and women will have jobs and not people from other islands and other states or wherever. The people in Maui need to feed their families, so take care of our men and women. Keep, keep local families working and off unemployment. Do we really need another high end resort or a timeshare? Occupancy levels are at the lowest sine 9/11 with no signs of things coming back anytime soon.
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MS. CABALLERO: Shouldn't we as a community save the aina? I've spoken to many tourists and they were very upset due to development. Why come to Maui if this company wants to turn it into another Waikiki? At least 50 percent if not more rely on tourist dollars to make our living. If they stop, if they stop coming here due to the natural beauty of this land, what's going to happen to all of us? Where will we work? What will we do? I would like to leave you with a scripture from Ezekiel. "The word of the Lord came to me, son of man, the inhabitants of these waste places in the land of Israel keep saying, Abraham was only one man, yet he got possession of the land; but we are many." God bless everybody who needs a job and take care of the aina.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Ms. Caballero. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony. Next to testify, we have Bonnie Newman followed by Lili Townsend, and Ms. Townsend will be the last testifier before we take our afternoon break. Proceed, Ms. Newman.
MS. NEWMAN: Aloha and mahalo, Council people, for all you do for all us. So I have gratefully lived on Maui for over 22 years, and for the last almost 19 years, I have been a member of the Realtors Association of Maui. I have been a licensed realtor salesperson all that time. I'm a rare realtor who doesn't want any more high-end properties built, and I'll tell you why. Yesterday, I spent hours doing research in our multiple listing system to give you some real facts. Because I agree with a lot, that many of the other people opposed to the further development and rape of this aina have already said, but I want to just add this, these facts for you. And by the way, I have printouts, a couple of copies from the multiple listing systems to verify what I'm about to say. In South Kihei, but primarily in Wailea and Makena, on the market actively right now that is they're, they're listed active in the multiple listing systems. There are 145 high-end condos over
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$ ll n n f r l , 4 . Of th t, th r r nl t n r . S , d n d n r h h d n t nd , I ? In th l n d v l p nt pp t th Gr nd W l , h h lr d n r , th r r 2 n th r t f r l . h h n t b n b lt t t, th r r r t b b lt. l b t th r p f th n , nd d th n th t th p pl r ll nt t b th r , d n th r ? I v b n n l t f th . And th K M l n W l h 24 t v l n th r t f r l r ht n . h l n t t f n h d b ld n , nd I ld n nd n. A n, th r 4 lr d h h d n t nd v r $ ll n nd th p t $20 ll n n M n n th r t. n d n r ? Ab l t l n t. v r ll n , th r h rdl p r n h r d n M th t n ff rd t b n f th . It nl p pl fr th nl nd nd th r p rt f th rld h n th th r n nd th r nd, th rd, nd f rth h . S t l n b t h , h v pr ntl n th r t n W l nd M n 40 h t v l f r l v r $ ll n, nd n th p t $20 ll n. Of th , th r r nl t n r r ht n . l v r ll n nd h lf, th r t v n th r t n K h . S th t t t l f h lr d n th r t r ht n . A n, n n h l v h r n ff rd t b . S nd, th rd, nd f rth h , th r n t n h n t v nt ll r l n x pt f r b t r thr nth r. h r l h t h . h r p n l nd p r b nd h p r b f r th t p nd th r n r t nth r h r . S nl v r lth , n t th r d nt , n ff rd h t pr p d t b b lt h r .
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
MS. EWMA : h n .
C AI MO I A: O .
MS. EWMA : S I j t n t , n, I h v p f n n ld nt n f th l t , nd th t, th r r l h rd f t , f l , pl th 6,000 lr d ppr v d, pl h t h lr d t nt tl nt f r. I d n t th n n d t v Mr. l n n r . t pl nt t d f r n , n r , nd th r n j b f r ll th p pl th t nt j b . W d n t n d t f rth r r p th n . S I , pl , t h v th r t d h t r ht t d h r , h t p n , t t p th f rth r r p f th v r r d l nd n M n b n t n , th r j t n r . M h l .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , M . n.
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . M b r , pr r t r n z n M . n nd t t n , C tt S r t r , r v d n l fr Ch r n , I b l v t t rd , r rd n h ld b l ttl l t t : 0. v h d n pd t t h pr n t r t n t d ?
MS. IAS: , Mr. Ch r.
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C AI MO I A: O . I d l t St ff t f ll p t f Mr. ll b j n n f r th r t f r pr d n th ft rn n nd p bl th v n n . th r t f , I nt t th n ll f r b n h r f r th t n th rn n . O . M . n nd, pr d.
MS. OW SE : , I l n nd. h n v r h f r h v n ll h r th rn n . I n n p r n nd I v b n f rt n t t n n n r nd th rld, b t I l h t M , nd I l thr ll d t r pr t n r f . And t rr v r h j t n n fr nt f th r n th th r d , I ldn t n th n , th r h t r l n th t r. And th t r l th t ll r r f , nd I v r n rn d th t n d t l f r rd t th f t r h r n h v pr t n n . And ll f th r n ff th t r t l n b t r t n t t ll v r n l d . M , nn h v n r ll d f t b t th nd f r l t t th t v l bl h r . t n t b ld n r . t j t r r C n l M b r t v t th n t th f t r , t th r t v t f r th f t r f r r r nd h ldr n nd f r th b t f r l nd. M h l .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , M . n nd. C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n . And th n , I nt t th n v r b d n th d n f r nd t n r lv n v r v l tt r. It h, h ppr t d. And th n f r h n r p t t ll f r t t f r . Wh n b fr r br , n W n r nd S n rp ll b th f r t t nd v d l t t t f . S , M b r , ll t br nt l 2:00 p. . h t n n r . . . .( v l . . .
RECESS: 12:29 p.m.
RECONVENE: 2:04 p.m.
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COU CI MEM E IC O I O: And, Mr. Ch r, I ll I d d n t t th p b t f r p t f r E A. . . .(chuckle). . .
C AI MO I A: . . .(chuckle). . . O . W ll, t n r rd f r th t, Mr. t r n . h n . All r ht. W h v l n d nd p bl rl v n n r l n t, M b r . S r n t r ht h d nd nt n th r p bl t t n n nd U It . And f r th r rd, f r th n h v n tt nd n C n l b r And r n, C n l b r , C n l b r M d r , C n l b r t r n , nd r tr l , r Ch r M M l n , nd nt r n th r C n l b r nn M t . W h v n W n r f ll d b S n rp t pr v d p bl t t n . n W n r, r r nd? O . 6 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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We shall move on. And, Members, for the record we have 132 signups. We have completed 40. Okay. So we've got, still got a ways to go. Yes, Member Anderson?
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Thanks, Chair. If I could just ask real quickly. In the past when we call people who aren't here, you give them a second chance before we close public testimony.. .
CHAIR MOLINA: The Chair will consider that.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: . . .in case they're still having lunch or moving their car or whatever?
CHAIR MOLINA: The Chair will be open to that consideration.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Thank you.
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you. Next, we have Samson Harp followed by Leia Kahaleauki.
MR. HARP: Aloha, everybody. My name is Samson Harp. Mahalo for giving me the opportunity to speak on behalf of the. . .my birthplace, the island of Maui, which I love so much. It's hard for me to watch our aina sliced up and slaughtered for profit especially in these sanctuaries to which should be protected for all of our future generations to enjoy. I hear all sides of the debate and I'm sympathetic on both sides. People talk about jobs and, of course, I want jobs for our Maui residents, our ohana. Over the last couple years all I've been seeing is our friends, ohana, and people struggle because they don't have jobs, and the terrible thing is that our people are struggling even with jobs. But what's worse is I see a lot of Maui residents that are jobless while I see out-of-state people thriving here in the workforce. I asked the question why and is there anything that can be done to keep our kamaaina and Maui residents alike in these jobs? It seems to me and makes sense that it could possibly be that cheaper labor equals more profit to the developer and their shareholders. Now, eh, I don't know the, I don't know the answers to that, but hopefully someone, if anyone knows this can share with us today in your testimony, I would really . . . (change tape, start 4A). . . these questions. I hear people talking about homes and yes, I agree the affordable housing for the hardworking Maui ohanas, but only if they are truly affordable. Now I like ask one question. How many people in here can afford $2,500 a month mortgage on top of everything else, you know, talking medical bills, car bills, needs for your children, et cetera? I don't know anybody in my family that can afford that, and that's the kind of prices these houses are going to go for. If you can build housing our Maui residents and kamaaina can afford, then solid, God bless you guys. But no deceive the people and hide million dollar homes, shopping malls, and golf courses behind the notion of affordable housing. I refuse to live in an older time and state of mind that a kanaka is better to be seen, not heard. I understand that the great reality that jobs are needed for our people, while I know in your hearts you don't want to destroy cultural sites that could be used in the perpetuation of our Hawaiian culture, build golf courses for people to play on our kupuna iwi, and have shopping malls with heiaus as centerpieces and backgrounds. And if you're all okay with that, then I like ask how do
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you guys sleep at night? That's just pilau. I know times are hard and people need to kokua their ohana. I know everyone has keiki and I'm here for them, and I'm here to protect these places for all of our keiki to enjoy in the future. I no like Makena look like South Kihei Road. We are running out of places for our kamaaina and malihini alike to enjoy in our hectic life of paper chasing. We need these places to rejuvenate our souls. Please, aunties and uncles, no destroy these godly places, we don't have much left. Another point is that we really. . .that we rely primarily on tourism, and over the last two years of talking story with them, the commercialism and development are making them consider vacationing on less developed islands. We don't need two Oahus. I still can't believe that Maui came this far and for what it seems to be for profit and greed.
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MR. HARP: Bottom line, I don't disagree with development. It's probably going to happen because the horrible fact is money talks. But I firmly disagree on the questionable development, where they want to do it and what the developers really stand for. In closing, if the inconceivable decision is already made for building, then at least you owe the jobs to our kamaaina and residents alike. I'd like to say mahalo again. I pray Akua guides you for a righteous decision. Aloha kakou.
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Samson.
AUDIENCE: . . .(applause). . .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you. Next to testify, we have Leia Kahaleauki followed by Hoku Faye.
MS. KAHALEAUKI: Aloha. My name is Leia Nahenahe Kahaleauki, and I'm against the building through Makena. I'm proud to say that I'm an ancestor of the Poepoe's and Kukahiko's. Along with me and myself, we're from Makena. Growing up was always an enjoyment. . .to enjoy what Makena has to offer. Makena has shaped me to be the person I am today. Let's keep Maui our home, leave what's left untouched. My ancestors lay throughout Makena and in respect we've let them be. If the economy is failing, let's do something, put our lives of accommodating the tourists aside and do what is needed for us. I understand the situation for the needed of more jobs, but us, as Hawaiians, we need to do what is pono. That's it. Thanks.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Leia.
AUDIENCE: . . .(applause). . .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony. Next to testify, we have Hoku Faye followed by Sherianne Kaulia.
MS. FAYE: Aloha and mahalo for letting me to speak today. My name is Hoku Faye. I am 21 years old and I am born and raised on Maui. And I'm speaking on behalf of myself, my ohana and
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preserving this land that I hold dear to my heart. My family is from Makena. That's where their burials are, that's where I grew up swimming, and I just enjoy it a lot and I don't want to see development done on the land. I understand the needs for jobs and for the affordable housing, but I don't understand if that's going to help enough. Because who's to say if the people that build these buildings are going to be people from Maui? I mean you can always bring in people from Oahu and everywhere else. And I mean affordable housing, what is affordable? Because to me I can't afford nothing right now. . . . (chuckle). . . But I don't know, I just think if the plan goes through, I mean, what beauty will we have left? Because to me that side is untouched, it still has all the land there as you need and I think it's beautiful the way it is. Building on it is not going to do much for us. So that's why I'm against the, sorry, that is why I'm against it, you know. I just want to keep it the same as it always has been. I want my children to see it, if I have any, you know, I want them to grow up how I did, and that's it.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Hoku.
MS. FAYE: Thank you.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony. Next to testify, we have Sherianne Kaulia followed by William Sakugawa-Souza, Jr.
MS. KAULIA: Aloha. My name is Sherianne Lokelani Kaulia, and I just like to say I hope you guys no build on the rest of our land, what we get left, the rest of our joy, you know. And coming from one root family, we kanaka, you know, we stand up for our rights, and hopefully you guys can see what the other kanakas out there was telling you guys 'cause, you know, I know you guys just trying for, you know, make more jobs. But the job going end soon and what we going have, you know? You guys going build around our sacred grounds and we need that, you know. So aloha. Hope you guys take that in mind.
CHAIR MOLINA: Mahalo, Sherianne.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you. Next to testify is William Sakugawa-Souza, Jr. and prior to hearing testimony, formally the Chair would like to recognize Councilmember Johnson as well as Councilmember Pontanilla joining us for our afternoon proceedings. William Sakugawa-Souza, Jr.? Okay. He had to leave? Okay. We'll move on. Desmond Yap followed by Mark Hyde. Desmond? Desmond? Is he on the way? Yep. I believe I see him coming.
MR. YAP: Okay. Aloha. I just going stand here be silent little while.
MS. CLUBB (from the audience): It's okay, Desmond.
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MR. YAP: Yeah, it is okay. Get plenty that has been said already and you heard from two sides, and it's up to you. It's in your hands now. We reap what we sow. Once the land is developed, cannot go back. But if it's still there, it's still there to be developed. You see? Get the future and we get the past, and we get right now. Kahoolawe was being bombed long time ago. PKO had enough courage to go over there and risk their lives to stop bombing on Kahoolawe. I think it might go this far this time 'cause that's the only place get left. Hawaiians going down there and illegally, legally, whatever you like call 'em, they going down there because life is more precious than gold. But you hold this in your hands now. God bless all of you. Love all you guys.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Mahalo, Desmond.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions? Seeing none, thank you. Next to testify, we have Mark Hyde followed by Lehua Clubb.
MR. HYDE: Thank you very much. I'd like to share three thoughts with you. First, I don't believe that approval of this project will produce jobs in the short term. Second, I would ask you to please request and get all the information you need before forwarding this project on to the full Council. And third, I urge you to decide whether permitting private utilities for large developments like this is good public policy. As you know, we're in a worldwide fmancial crisis. We have concrete evidence of the effects here on Maui. Maui Land and Pineapple Company lost financing for Kapalua Resort with Lehman Brothers' bankruptcy. The Baccarat project in Wailea and the Maui Lu redevelopment in Kihei have been idle due to financing woes. More to the point, Morgan Stanley who is Makena Resort's money partner nearly failed last month, like Lehman, temporarily saved at the last minute by an equity infusion from a Japanese bank. And construction trades now report that work on Dowling's Maluaka project has halted due to lack of access to the next round of financing because of loss of sales. Given this backdrop, it's highly unlikely that rapid approval as opposed to thoughtful approval of Makena Resort's application for a zoning change will produce jobs in the short term, and suggestions to the contrary should be examined with respectful but healthy skepticism. Besides the exercise of legislative discretion by this body must be guided by criteria that's contained in the County Code and not based on perceived short-term job creation. This development is too large and too complex to be given anything other than careful scrutiny by this Council based upon a complete portfolio of key project information which I believe is lacking here, particularly with respect to core issues, including water. Keep in mind that this project laid fallow the past four years at the owner's choice, and in the interim circumstances have changed particularly with respect to water availability, a risk that the owner assumed by inaction. That's called sleeping on your rights. This brings me to my second point. The developer has not explicitly defined its water strategy or assessed its impact on the environment, making it absolutely impossible for citizens and this Committee to determine whether its water plans will negatively impact the environment and/or be sustainable. Furthermore, Condition 30 that was attached to this project in 2004 states that the developer may access County water for domestic supply when this is no longer feasible in light
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of what we now know about the Iao Aquifer's sustainable yield and current usage and trends. The developer now wants to resort to desalinization but provides, to the best of my knowledge, absolutely no information supporting the wisdom or impact of this approach, and I believe it is your duty to insist that the developer make the case for desalinization before any further action is taken. In my view, the underlying cause of the public's outcry --
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MR. HYDE: --at hearings like this is a direct result of inadequate workup on the front end made worse by extended developer delays we have here, leaving it to the people to come forward to insist on an acceptable level of due diligence and oversight by this Council, putting the Council, once again, in the hot box. And I suggest that you should not let that happen to you again as it did with Wailea 670, and I suggest that the solution is to demand more and sufficient information from the developer before forwarding this matter to the Council for further deliberation so that you can carefully and intelligently weigh the merits of this huge transformative South Maui project. This is nothing more than due diligence and it is central to the role fulfilled by this Council and to engender the public's trust. And third and finally, I ask that you consider whether it is good public policy to permit large developments --
MS. NAKATA: Four minutes.
MR. HYDE: --to rely on private essential utility services in light of lessons learned from Molokai Ranch. Thank you very much.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Hyde.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Council Anderson?
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Mr. Hyde, thank you so much for coming. You made a comment about Maluaka being shutdown because its second phase of financing has been withheld due to loss of sales. Can you explain what the loss of sales, what do you mean? He couldn't sell the project?
MR. HYDE: Well, they're covenants in loans as there was, for instance, with Baccarat. Baccarat had the financing, it's now at carbuncle in Wailea because it sits vacant and has been that way for about six to nine months, and the reason is because they could not access virtue the covenants of the loan, the next round because they didn't have 50 percent of the units sold. That's a common provision in commercial lending. I don't know what the provisions are with regard to the lending on this project. But I have heard that they have stopped construction and additional work because they have lost the sales needed to get access to that next round of fmancing. As I said, I live in Wailea and I walk out to this project from time to time and I've made it a point in the last week, and I can tell you that there is no heavy equipment or personnel on the job site
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other than those who are working to repair the fairways, but it looks to me like the project is shutdown. And I think that bears testament to the fact that beyond the control of everybody in this room, the global fmancial crisis is making it impossible for projects like this to proceed. It's too big and too expensive and no one wants to finance it.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: And so Maluaka is graded out and since you go out there on foot--I've driven by there several times this last week--but the area that's been graded out, is that all exposed soil now?
MR. HYDE: It's all exposed soil.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Right on the shoreline?
MR. HYDE: I haven't gotten down to the shoreline 'cause the public's not permitted down there, but it's the fairway that they tore out.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Right.
MR. HYDE: They are working that, I believe it's just all bare land and just dirt, they're working the fairway now. They are starting. . .it looks like to put some grass down, some sod is being put on the fairway, that will help mitigate at least at the shoreline.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Right.
MR. HYDE: But if they don't have the financing to proceed with regard to the rest of the development where the condos are going to be, that's going to be just like, you know, we have on other spots on Maui where they just sit. And my prediction is that will sit for years.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Well, I hope they get some seed on that barren land so that it doesn't runoff into the ocean when we have a heavy rain.
MR. HYDE: Yeah.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Thank you.
MR. HYDE: Thank you.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Member Anderson. Committee Members, any other questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony, Mr. Hyde. Folks, we're going to take a couple minute recess to address a technical matter. Meeting in recess, subject to the call of the Chair. . . .(gavel). . .
ECESS: 2:2 p. .
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MS. C U : Al h (? , C n l.
COU CI MEM E S: Al h .
C AI MO I A: Ex . h r .
MS. C U : t l d n h?
COU CI MEM E IC O I O: h r .
COU CI MEM E AISA: h r .
MS. C U : O . I th Ch r f th I WU 42, Un t 2 , M r n t l b r f th K p n 0 M b r f Ah h K h n M , n Ch b r f C r C tt n A n . And b f r I f r t, th r pr j t. th , th h nd th b r l t t ll n M l , nt t. S t n, M h ll . O . d d h r I h ld b t th Gr nd, th r n xp f r th M , n Ch b r f C r th r d r fr nd r d r fr nd , d M n, Ch bb , K , nd nr . t I h r t pp rt b n n, l th n th Ch b r. I h r t pp rt th r l f th M n rt r z n n ppl t n fr th nd U C tt b t p rt n t j b nd th f t r f M n . t v r n , n d d f r r lv h t r f t r ll b . d , I n nl h p th t th C n l l n th n xp r n d p l t l t fr M n rt r d I t h r ll th rb nd th ntr th th t ll b xpr d b th pp t n, p ll th h n n th n nd j t nt t p h r nd b n . h ll d, ff ll ll d t ll. I f l v r rr f r th p pl h tr r p l t t t th r , b n th h t r nd ll d f n t l r nd. If v r M d d r n t f t r nd r d v l p r d d p t n d l n t r, h r th p pl ld ? I r nt th f t th t nn t t d th t th C n l b n p d b th d v l p r. h t n n lt t ll th r t r nd p n h nt t n th n, th h t n l n nd h ld n n t p n f r h f th . Sh - 70 - A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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r n f r ff . Sh n h t th l t d nt f d n t n n v t nd d t , r b b n b d d n t d t h r, t nl h h p r l r. I r nt th f t th t M h ll And r n h r pr nt r . I l v th r , b ht nd p d f r, rl. Wh r ? M n rt, b f M n rt th r ld b n K h t n. I r nt th f t h n h I n t b t j b , b t, b t h t? W r p n r l r , h v d l, h v f d, t f r r r. b h nd , C n l. l th h n r l n th th h f n t b n bl t p th r l tr b ll r th r t r b ll, th r l rld. G v nd b rr , d n t t. A f r , I n r r z n n ld b r v d t d r t rr nd t ld b b A n th t n h v th h h rt n h ll r v h t h h rt d r . M h l .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: . . .(gavel). . . O , f l . O . M b r , t n f r th t t f r? O . S n n t n , th n f r r t t n , M . Cl bb. xt t t t f , h v r r n f ll d b M h l d G h.
MS. AW E CE: Al h , r t n , C tt Ch r M l n nd C n l M b r . I ld l t t rt b th n n f r ll n t p r p n n r rd n th p rt nt tt r. M n r r n nd I n f th n n t b r h r t d th t pp rt th r z n n f th M n rt pr p rt . h r rt n t b b lt n th t n t nl f v t r b t l nv r n nt ll fr ndl . h n r , l n C p n , h v pl nn d t r h d l fl h t l t nd r t d h rh d t n rv t r, nd ph t v lt l r p n l t pr d l tr t . h v n h v t f nt t th t p rf r t r l t t d nd n t r n t n r th t th t l r f l h lth p bl . M j b nv lv th b h d r tl n fr nt f th h t l, nd I n th t l n r n t n t ll f ltr t n t p th t ll th t r t r r n ff v n l n r th n b f r t r h r rt pr p rt . h r rt h p t ll n f d ll r t rd pr v n th r nfr tr t r , n l d n th xp n n f l n h , th n tr t n nd p r t n f t t r tr t nt nd nv n t , nd p bl b h f l t . t n th nv r n nt l r nd th n nd nt t th r , I nn t n r ppr pr t rr n nt f r th r rt. And j t t t th r rd tr ht, l n C p n d n t n K K n n Ch rt r nd th b h t v t fr nt n th M r n t l. h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: All r ht. h n f r r t t n . C tt M b r , t n ? S n n n , th n . M h l d G h f ll d b C l n M C r .
M . GAC : I t t f n n b h lf f f rb r G h nd lf M h l d G h. M n b l t l r d. h d f n t n f r d rd n t W b t r t n r t d d t pl th t n t r l tr r nd r t n t n d f r t n r ntr n . O t f r p t f r M n , t l nd, th n , I b l v th C n l f r t t h v pr p r p t
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studies and plans, which is yet to be obtained, to take full responsibility to protect Makena as a natural treasure. Since 1998, ten years ago, when this project was first approved, the condition of the land and the sea has completely changed. I know this, I've seen this with my own eyes. The land, the infrastructure, the roads, the traffic, the pollution, the real estate all are completely different. It's a completely different ball game. I know this firsthand, also from swimming in the oceans. I know this from swimming in the oceans right in front of, of the Maui Prince where just south of it is just, there used to be such pristine, gorgeous fish life. It's no longer there. Last time my wife and I swam there we heard the pounding of the concrete, and my wife cried. My, I, I want you to know that I'm here to testify to explain why I believe we need to protect this beautiful land. There's nowhere on earth like Makena, it's unbelievably awesome. To develop it you'll destroy much of its significance. My wife and I envision keeping our beautiful beaches unpolluted. As South Kihei residents we believe any large developments in Makena will affect the quality of the water, the reefs, and increase traffic and pollution. Makena beaches are still pristine and we want to keep it that way. We must protect our island's beauty which is the basis of tourism, Maui's biggest source of income. Join me in rejecting this enormous project to stop urban sprawl throughout South Maui. There's no doubt once Makena is developed it will never be the same. At this point in this time, I would like to request an evening and weekend hearings in Kihei to hear local testimony. As Maui condo owners, my wife and I put local people to work.
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MR. GACH: We choose to buy condos in existing complexes to decrease the ecological impact on building structures. There's plenty of work for construction people to do here on the island to remodel and repair existing buildings. We don't need this project. Other reasons we're opposed to this proposal, in addition to water and sewage issues, is the. . .if there's an emergency, we already have a problem of evacuating South Kihei safely in the event of fire, flooding, or other disasters, and this, this project would compound the safety issues. Dearest Council Members, for Maui's sake, I urge you to get the necessary, proper, and current impact studies to limit Maui's growth especially in Makena, the only area around that's still pristine. By limiting growth we'll protect the beauty and of the land and the sea. Thank you very much.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Mr. Gach. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony. Next to testify, we have Colin McCormick followed by Rob Parsons. Colin McCormick?
MR. McCORMICK: Aloha, Council Members. Last time I spoke before you I talked about the endangered six or three out of six endangered species found within Makena State Park, the Hawksbill Sea Turtle, the Hawaiian Hoary Bat, and the Hawaiian Stilt. But today I'm not going to spend time on that. But if you guys have any doubts because there were people that were questioning the potential impacts that this project will have on their habitat area and on, you know, the survival there, you know, the survival, you can question me after this testimony. But I'm here today to humbly ask you, the County, to please follow its own laws and require that an
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pd t d pl t b l l rv b pl t d f r th nt r r z n n r b f r n r z n n , r r d b C nt C d S t n . 0, Ch n n n n Appl t n l . Ch pt r . .0, Ch pt r . 0.0 0 r S t n 6 t t , p f ll t t "Id nt f t n f nv r n nt ll n t v r , h b t t, nd b t n l f t r h h n l d , b t r n t l t d t , tl nd , tr , r t r pp n , nd n r d pl nt nd n l , nd x pt n l tr . If ppl bl , b l n t d nd pr rv t n t t n pl n nd nt , f ppl bl , fr th p rt nt f nd nd t r l r f th St t , th US St t h nd W ldl f S rv , nd th Un t d St t C rp f En n r ". O . Y h rd th n t . I th n M h ll And r n d d r ll d j b d r n th W l 6 0 h r n , n , r nd n . n t thr h th t pr n. t th d v l p r pl t h ppl t n t v l t f t r th r th n p nd n ll th v l bl C nt t j t, n , n v r th v r nd v r n. O . K p n nd th t th M n rt EIS d n n . O . And th d d b t n l rv f r , 00 r n thr d . S v t t nd r r ll h t r t l rv d. A b t n t I ld l v , I d r ll l t pl t d b t n l rv d n . I th n th t j t th b r n th t h ld b r t d. I n f r f t th r h ndr d f W l l p th r , 0 r pl r ld th t r n t , h ndr d f th r n t b b lld z d. I pr v d d th Cl r rl r th r h l l d t fr r j t K h h h G S p nt f ll th r h l l t th t h v b n f nd n th M n rt pr p rt l nd , nd I d n t n f h v th t n fr nt f , b t f d . . . f n t, I l l n n h t b t n r n l t r n j t t l t, l t th p nd ll th r h ndr d , l t n, h ndr d f r h l l t . And, n , h n t r f th t b n l d d nt , n , lt r l l nd p ? Y h v th t nd f
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M . M CO MICK: th t p b l t . O . S r lf, ldn t r f l pl nn n n th r t n r th t th b l l nd lt r l h r t r r th t r , n , r th th n r b t pr rv d, dd r v l t th pr j t? Ev n f t d f r rd, ldn t p n th th n l v b t p bl , ldn t th t dd r v l t th pr j t? I th n v r n n r t th t. h x t n r z n n nd t n d n th n t pr t t th n t v pl nt nd n l rr ntl r tt n. h n d t h n . O . A t h r h r n M th n th n th t I n t d nt l v h r n r th n n th n l nd I r f r t h r , f r , n r l t t th , th l v l rn n b t th r h , n . h t d f n h th r , th t d f n h r th fr . W ll, ppr v d W l 6 0
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M . M CO MICK: nd n r b t t ppr v M n ,800. Wh t h n t b l ft t b pr d f n S th M ? S pl nd th nd nd , th r d nt f S th M nd f M , th r ht . h t ll I . Al h .
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AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: M b r , t n f r th t t f r? C n l b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Ch r.
C AI MO I A: G h d.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Mr. M C r , th n f r b n h r . I h v t t n f r . A b t n t h v h d h n t l t th b l l rv , nd d t nd t n th rv th n nt W l l tr th t nt n d?
M . M CO MICK: Y h. It nt n , I th n , nl f r p , nd t nt n th W l l n f th nd p f nd th r . t, n, th b t n l rv , n ...
COU CI MEM E A E SO : t t th h r th r ?
M . M CO MICK: t p f ll , n . I n th d n v r , 00 r f l nd
COU CI MEM E A E SO : ht.
M . M CO MICK: h h , n , b r . S th r h t b n th r, th r h ld b h r nd p nd nt t d t r v b th t l t f l nd t v r . . .(change tape, start 4B). . . h r , j t r ht n xt d r th r , th r n r d bl A h b t t th r ll r r p l ft. S I ldn t b rpr d f p pl t ll l f r t, th r n t f nd r , r r r nd nd n p n th l v fl r .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . And th n th nd n r d p th t nt n d, th n M n S l, th St lt nd th t.
M . M CO MICK: h r t. Y h.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : n f th r n th n n th End n r d Sp A t th t pr t t th r h b t t, th t ll f r pr t t n f th r h b t t?
M . M CO MICK: f n t l , h. I n ll th th n h v r v r pl n nd f nt, j t n t t nl n , j t t p n th r v r pl n f r th thr , nd t p f ll nt n , n , h t, h t h ld b d n . th r ll d r ll l t d nd n r d p th t r , n , b l pp d t b pr t t d, nd b , n , nf rt n t l b r n h th th n r nd n r d b f h b t t l .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : ht.
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M . M CO MICK: And, n , t , t j t. . . h, n l rn, n r d b t t. I d n t h v t xpl n t t . I r nd r t nd th t h n r , n , th dv r l ff t...
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y h. W h rd th t th r , h r n th n hb rh d f 400 n M n S l l ft.
M . M CO MICK: Y h. And I n th r , th r t r d nt , t r d nt M n S l th t h v b n tr d f r n r n r ht ff ttl h th t p n b . I l , n , t l t, I v n n St lt n th tl nd r ht t On l . I v n j t l t W dn d th l t b ll rtl n t, I th r t t h th , n , r l d nd t h th h t h t. h r nd n r d n l , n , b ll rtl , th r nl 60 n t n f l . S x f th n t n f l t M nd t f th n t n f l h h nd t t nd r h . I n th r th r t r th t t ll h t h t f On l nd . O . S r n t th th tr r d nt ? Ar n t th th tr r d nt ? n t th d rv r b t, n , ff rt, r b t ff rt?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : It th r h b t t.
M . M CO MICK: And th n t, n , p pl . . . h, th r n t ll v r l l . t j t , h, th r n ll v r l l . n d rv t l v h r v r th r fr . O ?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n , Mr. M C r .
C AI MO I A: All r ht. h n , M b r And r n. An th r t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n , Mr. M C r .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: W h v b r n t t t f . f r nt rt n t t n fr Mr. r n , pl b r f l t th r n th ll r , f l . W d n t nt n nj r . r f th p nt th t x t t th r . Aft r Mr. r n , h v E rth h ld.
M . A SO S: Al h , Ch r M l n , nd U C tt M b r , l d nd ntl n. M n b r n . xt M nd ll b st nn v r r f ll n th b t f l l nd h . p nt I d l t t t d . b r n , tt r f pr d r I th n n d t b ph z d nd I f nd v r p ll n C n l b r And r n t n t th b nn n f th t n b t r n d r t n f 4 nd t n . And b th n l t r l r nt n b th n n r th r th n th n th t , d n r th thr r f r r , nd b th r r pl n t nd th 4 nd t n , I th n n d t f ll r v t th . And th n d t b d n b f r l t f th d n t pl r t b t nd h v t b nd h ld th t n n. S I th n th t pr d r l t n th t n d t l t n p bl . M h h b n d b t
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jobs today, and I think that there, there are many who claim that the reason that we're here today is because of a sagging economy and the need for more jobs. But you, Council Members, are so much more than an employment agency. You know, we need to look at comprehensive planning, not one land use by one proposed developer. We need to, just as the GPAC is, is doing, look at all of South Maui and in truth all of Maui island and assess those development impacts. You should have specific and accurate data before you, including what are the number of current permitted units in Makena, what are the number of current permitted projects in South Maui and island-wide. Then we'll have a much better determination of do we really need jobs, do our workers really need work or is there plenty already on the books? And you need to have that at your fmgertips. How many County workers are unemployed, if any, and why? Is it because the off-island financing investment dollars are currently unstable with the economic situation nationally and worldwide? Then why would we try to approve more of the same sort of development? And finally, how many construction workers on Maui are commuting from Oahu and the Big Island? Because I've heard out in the gallery today those that are at the airport on Monday mornings say there's quite an influx of construction workers. So we need to address that and getting jobs for our workers here before we import more. There's been talks of a desalination project here. I think we need all the details of that. Anyone who swims in the South Maui waters knows that there are numerous places where there is freshwater influx which nourishes our nearshore reef ecosystems. It is, it's essential that not all the water is withdrawn for purposes on land. It really does connect with a greater ecosystem. So we need full disclosure and I think we need to revisit the EIS if we're going to be looking at these kinds of broad changes. The same with storm water runoff, someone mentioned earlier the October, 2003 impacts on a Dowling Palauea project that had thousands of truckloads of fill added, and then the October storm brought tons and tons of that silt into the ocean and it has never been the same since. We don't have to have a collision of the ecology and the economy. With responsible planning we can really take care of both. Finally, why are we here today?
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MR. PARSONS: Thank you. I would subscribe that it's, it's not so much about jobs, it's about land speculation and entitlements. What are zoning entitlements worth to the project owner? Is it $100 million? Is it $200 million if he has additional zoning on top of current entitlements? Whatever it is. . it's not small potatoes, it's huge. Development such as what is being proposed here continues to erode the quality of life on Maui and not enhance it. Why? Because it increases the social chasm between the haves and the have-nots. Makena is truly that place where after driving down the Piilani Highway through the sprawl and through the housing developments and through the malls and then into Wailea, which is a private enclave, Makena is that place --
MS. NAKATA: Four minutes.
MR. PARSONS: --where collectively--I'll just fmish this thought--collectively we take a breath. We feel that our soul is nourished. We appreciate the open space, the natural beauty of the area, the cultural richness. It touches our soul and spirit. So let's support jobs that build things that we
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n r p n n t , h S th M h h h l, d l nt r , ff rd bl h n , nd nfr tr t r . l p t th pr j t n th h lf nt l n v t f ll r v nd h r p th f r M f t r . M h l .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. r n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n ? M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n , Ch r. b, d d th t r b d n ff l nd n tr t n r r n n t th l nd?
M . A SO S: Y . I t l d th p r n n th l bb h d th t h n h n r ntl n M nd rn n fr , r t rn n fr O h , th t th r r nt ll t pl n l d rth f n tr t n r r n fr O h t r n M .
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y h. h n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , M b r And r n. Add t n l t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , Mr. r n .
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M . S EE A : G d ft rn n, Ch r, M b r f th C n l, b r f th p bl . M n M r Sh h n Wh n th t n n d b t h f th r, ll, ft r ll h ld lr d . I r bl th t r r . I ld lr d nd I v tt n ld d l n th th M n . I nv lv d th th r n l r p th t r d f r 0 r 2 r t M n St t r nd nt n t h v n nt r t n t. t I h r t d r l t t br r t j t t l b t th nd f d v l p nt th t h v r ll b n d tr t d nt . And b th , f r th p pl h r t th M n rt h ld nd r t nd th t th , th n r pl n t t r d n th x t n h t l nd r b ld n th r h t l. And t h t d th th v r I nt rv d h n r d h f , h n I h v r t d l f r p t f r. v r, th b tr t f b ld n f r th lth , h h h b n th n r l M tr t , nd n f r th p r lth , nd th t h th n r h td n fr K p l t M n . W h v tr t f b ld n f r th pp r n t nth f p r nt f th lth t p pl h r th th d th t
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th r r h n h th t h n th r n h t , t n t ff t th . S l t j t v n b r fr r l t t l . h v r l t K n p l f r h l $2 ll n, t K p l t $4 4 ll n, nd t W l h r th r r 2 h th t h v ld f r th r, th v r l pr .4 ll n. And n th nd n I ll j t v W l nd M n l f r , th r h v b n 68 l th n v r pr f 2.2 ll n. O . I h p h v r p n t nd n nd f r t th d n h r nd f d l , I ld b t th t . I nt t l t ntr t n f r n th nd r t. h r r 0 n t f r l nd r $200,000 n th nt r l nd. At th t th r r n t f r l v r 2 ll n. In f t th r r t ll , n h th r r r th n 424 h , th r r x tl 424 h f r l v r $ ll n. t f l t th f r f, f r h nd r $ 00,000, nd r $ 00,000 h h I ld n d r t b tt n nt th ff rd bl r n , th r r h f r l . t v r $ ll n th r r h f r l . Or f , ll, $ 00,000 nd n h t t f r $ 00,000 f d n t n , nd I ll h n th p t r, n t h. t l t $400,000, th r r 6 h f r l . t f r $4 ll n th r r 2 h f r l . Wh t th p nt f th ? h p nt f th r t l n b t d v l p nt nd v r d v l p nt
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . S EE A : f r th t p r lth l th t h v t r d t . h r rt r l t pl t r lt , l f h b ld th b n h nd b t f l n h, r h p pl ll h r nd t r f , nd th t n t b n th . Ev r h , v r t p, v r f t, v r h b b th t b lt f r th lth p pl r , t r nd n tr t n th t n t v l bl f r l l p pl . S l r nd, r h r b nt j b . It n t th f t f j b , t th nd f j b . And r ht n Mr. d d, nv t nt v r nd th r ll b n d v l p nt f r th n r t r f t r . It d n , t f n h d. h ntr b ll b n r pt nd d d t t r lv . v r, th r n n n n nd h ld b p n tt nt n t t. A Mr. lt r d, th r ll b j b f r n tr t n f n r .
MS. AKA A: r n t .
M . S EE A : W p nd v r 00, v r $600 ll n r br n n n l nd f l t th l nd, M l nd.
C AI MO I A: O . Mr. Sh h n, f n n l d .
M . S EE A : W h ld b b ld n th lt rn t v n f r, f r r r h r . S pl t th t nt n d r t n. I h p ll r p t th G n r l l n Adv r C tt nd t nt l th r r p rt t, b th v h d h n t b n th r nd nd l t th r r t th r n th t h v n t. h n v r h.
C AI MO I A: h n , Mr. Sh h n. C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r?
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C AI MO I A: S n n n , th n , Mr. Sh h n. xt t t t f , h v hn Ar f ll d b r rr .
M . A ISUMI: Oh, d ft rn n. M n hn Ar . I f r r I WU b r nd v r f l r th M r n t l. I d nt t t ll ll f f l h r th t h n M r n f r t t , f r t t , t th n l 0, nd d r n th t t th r tt n r l pr bl t t t r d n t M n . And ll f dd n I p th r d, I th b f v , x f t d t r t rl n n fr W h ll d n t K h . S I t n d th t nd th d th t th p rt l r p p l n p t n b M r n , AM AC. . .C. r r, W l rt, nd A& . h r th th t t rt d ff nd th r n t n b d t ld h n I t ld th th t, th t th t th r n b . Of r th r n t t th r n b , b t th l l . Y r t l n th n l $6 ll n. And ll th th n d n b f r b M r n nd th f r p rtn r , n t f r p rtn r , b t th f r d ff r nt p n . b h t ff t r, Ev r tt l n tr n t t h z n n tr ht. Y n , h h t lf r n th r lt r , h nt t t t t, p t th t nt pr p r z n n . h l nl h v h t, 200 r r h t v r h n r h t v r. I rr , I d dn t br n p p r p. t h n th n b t th p r n h gives th t h t th p bl , nd, n , C n l p pl h ld t nt n d r t n, n v r nd what the people say. Listen to me because I've been around for a long time, okay?
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
COU CI MEM E AISA: G , hnn G , hnn , . . . (chuckle).. .
M . A ISUMI: I v b n r nd f r l n t nd t l b t b n n th l nn n C n, b n n th r C n, b n n, n , n t ll b rd f d r t r . All th th n I d d nd I n h t I d n nd I n h t h pp n n t th n r l p bl . O . S , n , I r d n f th pr r p p r th t f l h d fr l n , d t d n , 2004. On th t p p r t r tt n th t n th t r th h v pl t d th z n n . th b n th th t z n n . I d n t n h , n , b v r th r nd n , f l nd h n , th t p t f l . t I d n t th n
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . A ISUMI: t f r. S f r I strongly f l th t f l help, help th I WU b th I WU r r t th M r n t l, th lf r nd v r pl , n d n f r th p n th n ppl nt th b f th n t t n. I th n v r h.
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
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CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Mr. Arisumi. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony, Mr. Arisumi. Thank you. Next to testify, we have Norma Barroga followed by Luz Ramil.
MS. BARROGA: Aloha, Council Chair Molina and Council Members. Thank you for this opportunity to speak before you regarding this project. My name is Norma Barroga, an educator, a leader in the Filipino community, and a resident of Maui for the past 30 years. I'm here today to advocate for the rezoning application by the applicant, Mr. Dowling. I believe that this development will help improve the County's economy and provide more housing and jobs for people in the community. We are in the midst of an economic recession that can significantly impact the lives of many people, including myself. Mr. Dowling's project would cushion the effects of the recession. Primarily this project would provide more housing, for there are still many people and local people who would like to own a piece of Maui. This project would allow them to realize their dreams. In addition, this project would help improve the lifestyle of the many workers, and many of them are here today. It would create much needed jobs, and the purchase of the building materials for the project would boost the suppliers' revenues, and there would be a trickledown effect and the County's tax revenues would increase. This development will help create hundreds of jobs that are greatly needed on Maui. There are construction workers who have been out of work ever since the mortgage downturn, which actually occurred on the mainland and it's now affecting us and I guess it's worldwide. This project would help employ the many union carpenters, the masons, the metal workers, and many others. And Mr. Dowling is known to be an environmentally sensitive and innovative person who is visionary and community— minded individual. As an educator I know that he, and many of you know, that he built Kamalii Elementary School, and Kamalii is now benefiting a lot of people in this community. He is a person of good character and a will to do great things for the common good. I believe that Mr. Dowling will implement mitigation measures to protect the environment. He has people working with him and he's known for green building and for sensible and responsible projects that he has developed so far.
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MS. BARROGA: Therefore, I believe that this, his project in Makena will greatly benefit the community. Council Members, I humbly ask for your support for this project. Thank you very much.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Ms. Barroga. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony, Ms. Barroga. Next to testify, we have Luz Ramil followed by Dave Atias.
MS. RAMIL: Aloha.
COUNCILMEMBER BAISA: Aloha.
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MS. RAMIL: Mabuhay!
COUNCILMEMBER BAISA: Mabuhay!
MS. RAMIL: Good afternoon, Council Chairman Mike Molina and Members. Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak before you this afternoon. My name is Luz Romero Ramil, a school home assistant for the Department of Education and a courtesy clerk at Foodland, Kihei. I'm an ILWU member. . .and a Maui Meadows resident since 1976. I am here today to humbly ask you to please approve Mr. Dowling's request for rezoning and development of his proposed project in Makena. I believe that this marvelous development--in Spanish, we say maravilloso--will help improve the County's economy and provide more housing and jobs for people in our community. It will also help improve the tourism industry, which is the backbone of our economy. You know, I go to the homes and convince the students to go back to school, but they want to work to help with the mortgage and they find peace, I mean they find the productivity in working in the hotels, in Makena, in McDonald's. Let's give them a chance after school. Furthermore, this development will help create many jobs that are much needed on Maui. There are construction workers who have been out of work ever since the financial crisis hit America as a result of the mortgage meltdown. This project would help employ the many union carpenters, masons, hotel workers, housekeepers, housemen, waiters. When many job opportunities are available here on Maui, our children will stay. My daughter Iris teaches in Arkansas, but she will bring home my first grandson on July 10 from Arkansas for his baby luau. All of you are invited.. .
ALL: . . . (laughter).. .
MS. RAMIL: . . .Binhi At Ani, Filipino Center. I'm also the recording secretary under the presidency of Norma Barroga, my boss, a woman hero. The most important of all is that the County tax revenues would increase due to the additional properties that would be sold, affordable homes so the Haiku women don't have to drive long distance to Makena. Mr. Dowling cares for this community, loving and forgiving, as he built Kamalii Elementary School, and I know that he wants to help boost the economy through his project. Therefore, I ask you to please support and approve Mr. Dowling's project. He is God given to us. Mahalo nui loa, malama pono. Take care and Shane Victorino is home! Get your autograph! Mabuhay!
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Ms. Ramil. Committee Members, questions for Ms. Ramil? Thank you very much for your testimony, Ms. Ramil, and we'll be there for your grandchild's party.
ALL: . . . (laughter).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: And, and thank you for bringing that to light. I was just informed today that my Secretary Colleen became a grandmother again today.
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AU IE CE: . . . (chuckle).. .
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M . KA A E E: Al h , Ch r, C n l M b r , n t b r . M n n l K n h l . I l v n S th M , nd I t t f n n b h lf f lf. h n f r th pp rt n t . I ld l t l r t, n b h lf f th h r n bl t b h r t d b f r r h l, f p bl , th t t n b h ld n S th M t d t th n t th t ll b t p t d nd ff t d b th r rt. I ld l l t th n ll th n th t h r d n b th d f th f r. I th n ll l rn fr h th r n n t h r n l th , nd I th n t h lp t br n th n t l r t th r nd r t nd r d ff r nt p nt f v . W l v n d ff lt t , n , r ll n th n . W ll r b h ld r t n , f v r t t r , nd C t , nd f v r t t r , nd r r ll ht b t n r nd h rd pl b , n , r rr nt n n n r ll t th r f f r , r t f r th t r ll d n t h v n ntr l v r. And th b p ll, p ll n n f h v r t n r t n th n . And n f r nd r n h t d r t n r n t t nd h t th pl n . I d t b th t r n n r h n I p ddl d, nd th t r n h t n h r h n t nd h h n t t th r . Y f l r th t r n nd ll th p pl r nd r n h r r n t t , nd n t r ll xp t d ff r nt r lt f p d n th th n th . Y n . . . h t ll h pp n f th r t n r , th b t t p n nd th rpl n t p n ? ll f d r lv ? O r f l ? ll t r f r lv ? M b th p 82 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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ll. M n t r nd n f h h v l v d n th l nd t n bl f r ll nn . h d dn t r l n b t t br n n th r f d, th d dn t r l n rpl n . t t th t r f th lv nd th r f l , th r t n bl . h r p t f r rr nt n th t n t t n bl . S t h v p nd d n nd r h v n v r b d d n, nd h n h l n th n t l t. S h t r ll n d v n nd d r t n, nd r l n t , ll th p pl b h nd r l n t , I l n t , t . S h v n d th t I ll l
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . KA A E E: t t th th t l b n l t h rt nd th t th r h l l t . h l nd h r th d v l p nt n t r xtr rd n r l r h n r h l l tr r . Wh th p rt nt t ? th r h l l tr r th t r th r r th h t r f p pl , th r lt r l l br r . pl th t h v n n l d f th r p t, th r h t r l tr th n r t , t d d. O r p t th br d t th f t r . Y nn t n r th p t. h p t r br d t th f t r . S , I ld n r t r v C nt C d . 0 nd t r r d th K h M n C n t l n. th f th rd n n nd d r r th t pr h n v , pl t r h l l nv nt r —
MS. AKA A: r n t .
M . KA A E E: nv nt r rv . . .(change tape, start 5A). . . th ppl t n I j t n t f n h th ff l n th r v nd pt n b S nd O A. h v th d nt ? I ll v r nd v r n f h v th d nt b f r . h n v r h.
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. K n h l .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n , n l.
M . KA A E E: h n .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , h v An t W ntn r. O . t pr nt. Ip K h l ? Ip K h l h r ? K n K v ? K n K v ? t n t r? t n t r? t n, r h r ? O . Aft r t n h v nn M r .
MS. ES E : th r .
C AI MO I A: .
MS. ES E : M n t n t r nd I b n n r n th l nd f M h r . I n rf h l ll d M S rf r G rl . ttl pl . And h th r nd I h r t pp th 8 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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pr j t. I r p n M nd l rn d h t b rd t M n . I r t f l . . . (inaudible). . . n th b h th n n th r . M f l d t ll l f p n n th nd . And, n, I r th d , t h th h t rf, nd I r th t r t , nd l t f th t r t th t I p th nd th d th t I t h r n f th l nd nd th r pp rt n t t nj t r r . And th n th t th t, I d n t th n I d b n b n . And I nd r t nd th r nt b t th r r n t h v n n tr t n j b , nd I t pr th t h v t . W h v t l pr rv th l nd, b t pr v d j b nd th n t d f th b x. And I n t h r ll d t h r ll th t t n , b t I th n l t f th d b t r n j b nd lt rn t v , n , t r t r n th t n t b d n th d l th t h pp n n r ht n . S , I h p th t n t pr nd l t d th b x. h n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , t n.
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . xt t t t f , h v nn M r . nn ? nn , n t h r . nd M n ld? nd M n ld? t h r ? r Ch n f ll d b El l .
MS. C A G: G d ft rn n, Mr. Ch r n, C n l M b r . It b n l n t . n t l t th n r . I ll r ht. . . .(chuckle). . . I h r r d nt f M n . I h r t p f r h b nd nd lf. M h b nd, I rr h n t bl t h r b I b l v t d h th ld t K h th t n rv v nd l v n M n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
MS. C A G: I v h rd h t d nd I nt t n , h b nd nd I d pp rt M n rt. W l h v , l ll. And th r r n f r t b h b nd h v n b n fr M n , h n h t M n l nd h t t t d . t d t ll f r ll n t n n h t r ll M n n l . I d n t n th r. I W l rl. t I v h rd fr th p n . h p n h v t ld l t f t r . I v h rd fr h b nd. h t r th t I h rd n r j t r f r h , nd n f th d h t n n ll n b r , t . S h t p rt nt t , f r h b nd nd I, t t t n Mr. l n b nt t l v b h nd, h n , nt M n t b n pl , t . Y n , ll f M r d. It n t nl M n th t r d. All f r d. It r d t , t ll, t th n h r b rn nd r d h r . S , I th n ll f h ld n t nt th d t , ll f r d, t ll pr . f r n b t M n , pr b bl ldn t b th r b h d l rn d f th f rt f th nl nd. And h n b nd , , M n h n r d, M n h t r, M n h l tr t , h b nd d dn t h v th t h n h r p. Wh n h r p, t n t l th t. Y n , h nt t h l p n Ul p l . d n Old Ul p l d. I v n h rd f th r h fr O n t l b t th t. d t n th d n ll th t M n . S , 84 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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v l v d thr h f th h t r f th l nd, nd I n t ll Mr. l n d, h d d v l p r, nd I th n h ll l t n t nd h ll tr h b t t p h t th r n . ll tr t p f t th t t ll b p d n
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
MS. C A G: t th n r t n t . I th n th t h t p rt nt. S , ll f , th n b t t. C n l p pl , th n b t t. I th n th h b n n th d t l n n h. It t f r t d n. M t n th t th ll t p nd n n. h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , Mr . Ch n . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , , th n f r r t t n , Mr . Ch n . It d t n ll. l v r r rd t r h b nd nd n r t l t n , t . xt t t t f , El l f ll d b K h .
MS. EAG E: G d ft rn n. I El l , I l r d nt f M n . And t l d ff lt f r t f ll n p h b p n t r Ch n . I ld ft r l t n n t ll th t t n , th nd rf l th n th t th d v l p r h v d n n M n nl d. d , t r, th r t n r f th p bl r tr , th p r n l t , r t . Ev r th n d, nd th r ll n t r th r n t . And ld l n t n M n . I v h rd r t t n t d nd n f p b t t n th n fr . I d n t th n th pr j t b t t n . A I nd r t d t, th r n t b n h n n th b hfr nt h r ll f r n . I h p I d d n t h r th t n rr tl , n h n n th b hfr nt. It t ll n t b th r f r . M n v r l n pl nd t n t nt n t b l n pl . h b h ll b th r f r . M n r n , h th r t n , n h t l r th ld n , n t ll th r f r r S nd br n h h r t l br t pr b bl r th n r d nt th r . It ll nt n t b l n pl f r . th n n t b t n fr . Onl r d. h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , M . l . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n . xt t t t f , h v K h f ll d b K K p h l h .
MS. IS IKI: Al h , Mr. M l n , C n l M b r . h n v r h f r h v n th t n . h p bl ppr t b n h rd. It r n r t n, n r t n h n t b l v n th th ff t f th pl n, f th pr j t nd n th r . S , I r th C n l t r f ll n d r h t th ff t ht b nd n t r h t t C n l d n r ht . h r r n th n th t r ld nd td t d n th ppl t n ll th nv r n nt l p t t t nt, nd t ld b t l t th t n nd r v l t h th r ppr pr t r h v b n t n, ll th 4 nd t n th t t n n d f r n r . I th n 8 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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that it would be wise to look at those as well and see if they should be reviewed and if they're applicable at this time. So, I ask the Council to please review the application carefully. And, Mr. Dowling, you have done wonderful things in our community and I hope that you will continue to build schools and community centers and possibly some renewable energy plants. Let's work on those things. Those things will move our economy in the right direction. And developments such as this are not for the benefit of our residents. And I know that, that we are in a hurry and everyone is panicking, but let's not make bad decisions just because we need things right now. It is wise to look towards the future and honor the past. Honor our kupuna, honor the historical sites, honor what their desires were for us, and also look towards the next generation. And I think that it is wise to look at everything and not just say we need jobs right now. And when it comes down to jobs, it's not always a project we know, it doesn't mean a project gets approved and we get jobs instantly. It doesn't work that way. And I know that we want, we want a long-term future for our children, and I really believe that, that if we work towards a green economy, work towards food independence, if we work towards energy independence, this is the area that we want to move towards. And, and change is really difficult and it's scary sometimes, but I think that it's the government's job to work on Capital Improvement Projects that are, are actually going to move us in that direction. And I think that we have to look to the private sector as well as the government, and we can move in that direction. And I think that that will provide a long-term solution to our economic woes. So, I thank you very much for your time. I would urge there to be a time for the public to testify in the evening in Kihei since it effects their community, and so that's what I ask. Thank you very much.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Ms. Nishiki. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony, Kai. Next to testify, we have Kimokeo Kapahulehua followed by Natasha Gonzales.
MR. KAPAHULEHUA: Aloha, Chairman Molina and Council Members. My name is Kimokeo Kapahulehua. I'm before you to tell you about this project. Because first, Chairman, that we came here I think early part of the month and we testified before you, and Mike Victorino brought this discharge before the Committee. And the discharge that day was resolved by this option of you making this for the public, so we want to thank you to bringing this Land Use Committee forward to the public and bringing this project to the public. So now the process was shown to us this morning by the developer that, what they plan to do, and this was confirmed by the Planning and Corp. Counsel and throughout this discussion, the area that they're going to ask for rezoning that is in that particular land use already in the zone, so. And then now we're going to take this particular process and you guys going to decide today to conform to the Kihei Community Makena Plan. That's why we here for, you know. So in bringing this process you're going to have to make sure that the Land Use Commission, Land Use Committee going tell us that you're going to bring this before the Council. Is that correct, Mr. Chairman? So, so I'm just, I'm trying to understand the government procedure. So it's going to be held in the Land Use Committee until you bring it before the full Council. So when you bring it before the full Council, all of the people who came here today is going be discussing the, or be able to come to
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th t n nd d th t t n n nd br n th r d f, b t th r z n n . S th th t h t th , v r b d d n t d nd th p pl h n th t th r f r nd th p pl n n t, th h n ll b b n b th t th pr th t r n t t . S n th nd U C tt th n th t h v t d f r t d d h th r th r z n n f r rd r b rd . t v n n r G n r l AC r th G AC t ld t d , th t n d th t n th G AC f r th f t r , th t n l d f r d v l p nt. d th t n l d d f r d v l p nt. And r nf r d th th t , , n , I h r t t ll , th nd U C tt , th t t v th t th f ll C n l n t t th n t nd b lt . I d n t th n n th nd U C tt n d th t r d v l p nt, th n r d v l p nt nd ll th th n th t v r b d n b t, th h r l n , th b l l rv , th r h l l rv . S l t , n th nd U C tt br n t f r rd t th C n l n h v ll th t n n r d t th p pl h d n t h v th n r , b th d v l p r nn t v f r rd b h n t h th n r . Sh M th W t r ll, th t n t n t b
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . KA A U E UA: h r n th nd U C tt . If th Sh M th W t r ll nd h t t h th t r, th n l t br n t f r rd fr th nd U C tt , br n t f r rd t th f ll C n l ll f th th n th t r n nd v r b d b n n ll th t n , th t f ll d t n l pr n t n t nt l v t t f th C tt , n . If t, f t, f h v th t nf r t n, th n, n , l t f p pl d n t, b t I ld n r , Mr. Ch r n, I ld n r ll f C n l M b r r nd U C tt M b r br n t f r rd ll f th th n n h th r n h h v t b f r n r K h M n C n t l n. And th l h v t h n n th G AC, nd th G AC t ld t d th t th r n t br n t t n th l tt r p rt f 200 . f r b t th p bl , t 20 0. S I h r t t ll th t, n r , th nd U C tt , t ppr v th
MS. AKA A: r n t .
M . KA A U E UA: z n n h n n nf r th th K h C n t M n l n.
C AI MO I A: O . h n v r h, Mr. K p h l h . And b f r I r n z M b r And r n f r t n , j t t l r f r t n ll. W ld d th h d nt n d b t t r nd th r tt r n C tt ll d p nd n n h t h pp n , h r fr th C tt . And f t d n t th f ll C n l, t ll h v t h v t r r d n , th ld nl b n f thr j r t p f r th pr p l t v nt ll , t p bl t ppr v d. S
M . KA A U E UA: h n , Mr. Ch r.
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n , Ch r. Y h, I j t nt d t l r f th t f r K , b , n , tt n n r b t t r nd b t nd I n Mr. l n nt t d d l pl nt, th t h l n pr p l th t h v n t h rd b f r . And ll f th nf r t n r l v nt t th r t h t b d n n th C tt .
M . KA A U E UA: All r ht.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h t ll C tt r .. .
M . KA A U E UA: ht.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : . . . th t h n t t th C n l, v lr d d n ll th n r r t n nd n r , nd n r ll th nl th n th t h pp n t th C n l l v l b d v t t th r l t n t nd nt . t h t r d r b n t ll C tt r .
M . KA A U E UA: h n , M b r f th C n l. And, nd l t, n th n th t I ld n r , l v r b d n r d , th n t n t v th n xt t n , f n h v n th r r d n , t d th r d n n S th M , nd th t th p pl th t n S th M n h p nd t n th v n n n h v l t f p pl . W h v l t f p pl h r , b t th p pl r nd th r ld h v n pp rt n t t ft r r . S I th n , C n l Ch r, nd I th n , C n l M b r . M h l .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , K . And b th , t d t h v b n d h lth ll, K .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : n d.
C AI MO I A: h n .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Ch r, n t r ft rn n br ?
C AI MO I A: O . All r ht. W h v t h G nz l h d l d t p . M b r , ft r M . G nz l pl t th h r t t n , ll h d nd t h rt br . t h G nz l , r h r ? S n n n , l t t n r p r n. Ch rl G dn ? Ch rl G dn ? Ar h r ? O . l n p nd t t f . And ft r M . G dn d n , ll h d nd t r br , M b r .
MS. GOO ESS: Al h . M n Ch rl G dn nd I pl d t th M r n t l. And I h r t d , n r I h r n v b r th t p n pp rt f th Ch n n n n f r M n rt nd, h p f ll , t t t d h r d fr th nd U C tt nt th f ll C n l. A I d b f r , th n d f r th M n d v l p nt r ll n . I th n n p pl h v t t f d t th t h r th t th n n d r tr t , n t 88 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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only the Maui County, but the entire State of Hawaii. We need assistance now. The way that this development hinges into it is the fact that it could be very helpful to us now. I believe at the last meeting Mr. Dowling was up here and said that if the Council approves and it goes through, leaves the Land Use Committee, goes to the Council, receives approval, he could start work on the project within 30 days. That would provide immediate relief to construction workers and it actually would send a wonderful signal to our investors, I think that subject was brought up before, that Maui County is welcoming of monies coming into, into, into our County. Many people spoke up today and said that we shouldn't be, you know, I mean there's job elsewhere that we can put our construction people to work, we can put other people to work in other areas of the community, and they mentioned like sustainability projects, working on getting hospitals, schools, et cetera. But you've got to look back. Where are you really going to get the money to do that? I mean Mayor Tavares has just been asked to cut the budget, I believe, by about 16 percent or pull back on $55 million. Mr. Dowling is, is a businessman, and he's a very good businessman, he's a very good citizen. But I don't think he can be expected to shift his funds around solely for the benefit of the community. Every business has to take care of itself and the investors have to be taken care of also. Each one of us in here is our own little business person. I mean we go to work and we're not going to work because we're greedy, you know. We're going to work because we need the means to take care of our families, to take care of ourselves. And Mr. Dowling pretty much is the same, you know, he's his own business, you know. There's no way that, you know, he would be able to divert his attentions from, you know, the projects or his business and move it into other areas. Anyway, my reasons for asking for this discharge from the Land Use Committee are the same. The economy needs a stimulation. This development has been waiting for years. There has been a lot of talk already, there was a lot of talk today, and a lot of it I'm sure is repetitive. Hopefully you'll make a decision very soon to take it out of the Land Use Committee --
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MS. GOODNESS: --as Kimokeo said, and take it into the full Council, and let's discuss it a little more there. And hopefully, we will come to an agreement, an approval, and we will all see that this development is good for Maui, for Hawaii, for all of the people sitting in here. We need help and we need it now, and we're looking forward to your assistance, please. Mahalo.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you very much, Charlie. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you very much for your testimony, Charlie. Okay. Members, it is 3:42. Let's take a break, and let's return at 4:00 sharp. This meeting is in recess. . . . (gavel).. .
ECESS: :42 p. .
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CHAIR MOLINA: . . .(gavel). . . The Land Use Committee meeting for Wednesday, November 19, 2008, is now back in session. Thank you very much for that break, Members. It is seven minutes after the hour of 4:00, and before we proceed with public testimony, the Chair would like to recognize the presence of Council Chairman Hokama to our proceedings this afternoon. Members, we have a request from Natasha Gonzales who had to step out. We called her name earlier and she had to step out for some important matter, and I know we recognized John Cahill and Steve Hart to testify after the break. If there are no objections, I'd like to give Ms. Gonzales the opportunity to testify, Members. Any objections?
COUNCIL MEMBERS: No objections.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you. Ms. Gonzales, please proceed.
MS. GONZALES: Hi, my name is Natasha Gonzales and I'm a taxpayer of Hawaii, I'm a resident. I'm also a descendent of the Hawaiian Monarch. Okay. First of all, I wanted to address is our aina is already doing bad enough already, you know. I'm also a bodyboarder and a surfer. I love Makena. I'm there everyday. Where do you think people go on their downtime that's free and you don't have to pay to go to the beach? There's not going to be parking for locals here at that area in Makena. There's--of course, I'm not against anybody. We need jobs, everybody needs jobs. It's hard times right now. The economy is going down as it is whether you build it or not. We just hope and wish that you guys take into consideration that you will ruin our culture, where we come from, who we are. I mean my therapist tells me that. I should go out and use it on something that's good. Surfmg is a part of my life. I hope and wish that I can take my two little boys when they get older to surf at the same spot where I learned to surf. My aumakua is there, also archeology that hasn't been discovered yet. You'll be building over heiaus, burial grounds, a part of our past which is important and makes us who we are today. And I had a few questions also about all of this happening a few years ago, right? And how can you vote on something that's been in the past? It's like forging a lie basically that was done years ago and then changing it and making it legal. That's not right. I just hope that you guys take it into consideration, especially for the locals. We're all basically going downhill from here. I know that the rich known as Japanese, people from all over the world that don't even live here and have to deal with this and cope with it and hurt just as much as every other local. Just like with the jobs, everybody needs jobs like I said.
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MS. GONZALES: Everybody needs jobs. Okay. So what can we do that's good and a positive that's not going to hurt? There's other places that can be built on that's not going to hurt our archeology, our local people, our economy. Water is important, too, we fish there. A lot of our economy is feeding off of the ocean, including land. Water is our source for vegetables, vegetables, fruits. Where we going to get that from after it's all gone? That's all I have to say.
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Natasha. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony.
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AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , h v hn C h ll f ll d b St v rt. hn C h ll? t h r ? O . xt, St v rt f ll d b rn n . St v rt? t ll. O . rn n f ll d b S tt n
M . A A: h n , Ch r M l n nd M b r f th C tt . I l d t b h r nd ppr t th t th t r v n t th , t th p bl t t t f . M n rn n nd I p n n b h lf f Mr. n ld C t n r , n M n r, n n l S r t r f th l b r nd tt r Un n l 6 . W r n tr n pp rt f th pr j t. I h v b tt d t t n , b t I ld l t j t h th t t n f nd rf l n th t I j t t t d , nd r Ch n , nd h h r rd n h r t t n . I 66 r ld, f l fr M . M r ndf th r S l K l , r l t d t th S l K l h rv d , h r n f th rd f S p rv r h r n M . I p rt f th K l l n I l v n O h , b t r t r h r n, n M , fr M , v n fr th M n r n . M r t, r t r ndf th r r v d n h p n M n , K h b t 0 r d r n th M h l . S r t r r ll h r . t I t h th rd f r Ch n , I ppr t h r. If t n t f r th d v l p r , M n ld h v b n ll d t, tr . It n t v r n n th d . S th n n n l l , t , t lt n n ll , th n r ht p t th ll h r th l K t l . . . (change tape, start 5B). . . ll, f r t, ldn t h v nd b h, ldn t h v th t r t n t W . h r n nd n W . S I , I r t f l f r th d v l p r th t nd d l b tt r. On M l , I h d t t n th n l h th n l ht, n h t t r. r n th r th ll th r h nd th nt p d n th th .
COU CI MEM E AISA: . . . (chuckle).. .
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A : . . . (chuckle).. .
M . A A: S I t h h r, h r nt nt b I n h t t l t , t h v t t n th th n l ht . And f t r n n , h d t f nd r t th th th fl hl ht. h t , th t n t h I nt t b t . I d n t nt t l v n r h . It l , t . t I d nt t th t v rn nt nd dd th t t t n th t v rn nt d n t r t r v n , nd ll n th t. G v rn nt pl
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . A A: r d tr b t r v n . h t x th t nt v rn nt fr pr v t t r. h pr v t t r pr j t th t n r t n nd r v n f r t t x , th v rn nt. S t th pr v t t r th t v th t x . h v rn nt r d tr b t th t x nt ll th d ff r nt, nt th d ff r nt p rt f r v rn nt. I r th r Ch n
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th t ll f r d. I , I , I f r l b l v th t h n G d d , h t l ft v r h d S n r n , C l f rn . h n .
C AI MO I A: h n , Mr. . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . xt t t t f , S tt n f ll d b G ff M r . S tt n?
M . EWMA : Al h , n S tt n I nt t th n th C n l M b r f r ll n th t n , nd I l ld l t ll f r p. . t n n K h t v th r p pl h n t t t f . I ppr t th ff rt f th M b r , p ll M . And r n. h n v r h f r r nt n d p n t t h rl n r lf n t br ll n t ntl n r ff rt t pr rv th nt r t f th l nd. M h l n . I h v h rd t r pp n h d r nd th d th t ll r d, b h I th n M n r r d th n th r t f . I tr n t b l n th t t. M n pl f p r t l r j v n t n f r n p pl . M n p pl h h r nj th p th t M n ff r . I, lf, h v f r pr b bl h lf l f . d v l p th r , t t bv th t t d v l p th r r th n h t t lr d d v l p d n t t v l , t t ll d v l t. n h v h nd rf l, b t f l pl th t p pl , r d nt , nd v t r l l t v t f t ll d v l p d? I v t p pl fr W l , n t fr W l , fr t n t th r S n n W l r ntl th t d t f lt d t t ff th t h p. And I d, ll, h t d n, r t n t th r S n ? I th ht d r h p p d l th r S n ? h d h, n , W l , ll t h p b t l r h p. G tt n t f W l r ll n , r l d t t t f th r , ht ll b n v rl ll h t th d. M ht ll b n v rl ll And I h t t th r t f M n b n d v l p d pl l r t v rl ll b t h h t ff r. r tt h I th n h lf f th ll r pl f th M r n , nd I th n t h th t Mr. l n d dn t h v l n h t r d f r . It ld h v b n d f l h t x d d t bl p r t t pr v d l n h f r ll, b t I t ll h n r . I th n th pr t n f t d n t b n d th n pr tt h b n bl . G t d n t r th t ntr l h xh b t n th t I n n , nd r b n ld th d th t th th n r d, th t th r d f r th l nd nd th r d f r , nd t p t d nn r n r t bl . And I n d r . I h p n th t th , n pl nt b n f t thr h, b I d n t n h I n t p rt th nth. I l v p n l n , I h v x p pl l v n n h . W t t h r 6 ll n f t r. And h n I h r th p pl n W l t t 2,000 ll n f t r, t p t, t p t . And th p pl n nt S th M t , t t n, n W l , ll, th n d th r r nd t n n 24 . I j t r d n The Maui News l t th t M l d n th St t n n f , r nh .
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . EWMA : W r l d n th St t . And n r d v l p nt f th nd f x b r nt n t n f r r r t , d th t th r . A n, d v l p n th t r n t
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t v l , t t v l l . It v l n th pr t n b t th t th r n . h n f r h r n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n v r h, Mr. n
AU IE CE: . . .(applause). . .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . xt, h v G ff M r f ll d b ll rt .
M . MOO E: Al h , C n l M b r . h n f r ll n t t t f t d . I d l t t rt ff b n th t I h r r pr nt n l t f f l nd fr nd h n t t h r t d b th r r n nd th t I l t t d ff fr r t t t f . I d l t r t th t th r b t n h ld n th v n n n K h t r nv n nt f r r n f l t nd t t f . M h n nd I r pp d t p z n n M n rt. Wh l nt M C nt f l t h v r , nt th t h v r th t ll b n f t th r d nt f th l nd. ld n h h d n t l x r h n f r r h p pl h d n t l v n M ll n t h lp th r n f l n th l nd. And th f t th t M n rt lr d h th z n n t b ld nd p t p pl t r , f th r n rn d b t r h n t t p pl r , th n th n v f r rd n th th z n n th t th h v . t n th t th r n rn n t f r th r n f l n M b t f r x pr f t f r th r nv t r nd h r h ld r t th xp n f r l nd n t . Ev r tt l n h b n r n h n r n t f r r n nd d n t b t. Spr d n h r t bl ntr b t n r nd th l nd nd pr t nd n t b r n d n t x d v l p n th l t pr p n p h v h r n M . M n d p nd n t r . r t t M b t b t f l pl . If d n t pr t t h t l ft f M fr l nv r n nt, t r t ll t p n . If M n rt t th z n n th nt, ll h v t l n v r M n h h ll p t r tr n r r f nd th nd n r d t rtl h h t , t On l h f r n t n r nd . It t t nd t n nv r n nt l p t t t nt f r th pr j t t h n t b n d n n 4. W th n th C n l t t th n t f M t t f r th G n r l l n Adv r C tt t n l d th r h rd r b f r v f r rd th d n n h th r t r nt M n rt th p z n n th nt. It ld br h rt t M n , th l t f M nd v l p d l rd h r , t n v r b p rt t r d nt h nl t fr M nd v n th n b n r t rn. I n h f th C n l M b r h r , C n l M b r h r t d h v d p n pr t pr t t M nv r n nt nd th r l nd l f t l , I h p ll l v p t th pr b v t n n n M n rt p z n n nd l v th r n n t h n t h v th r v h rd b h v n t n h d l d n K h n th v n n . h n v r h.
AU IE CE: . . .(applause). . .
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C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. M r , f r r t t n . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n . xt t t t f , h v ll rt f ll d b Ir n .
M . UA E: W ll, ll, th d rn n , b t t d ft rn n. M n ll rt nd I p n n f v r f th M n rt r z n n ppr v l. hr h t r n t n nd t ll th l nd f M , h v b n dv r l ff t d b r v l n d n . I d n t b l v th r n b d , n n n th r th t n t ff t d b r n d n . O r n n br th r nd t r nd ll th th r p pl n th t r th t r r l t d t th pp rt f th nd tr , n tr t n h r n M , th r ll b n ff t d. h r n l b t th t. b r f n pl nt, h v n t n l th f r r , r . O r n pl nt h r n th St t f nd M C nt , t pr b bl t th h h t t v r b n f r h l n t . th pr j t h b n n th b f r t n r , d d . It v r , v r l n t f r d n n . I d l t nd I h p t th t n r l d n. h r n , n j b t t . W h v d v l p r h r th t ll n t pr v d r pp rt n t , r pp rt n t n th n tr t n nd tr nd th r l t d nd tr n, b r ht . It h n l t f p pl h r n th r , r pp rt r b t , r h n r d C n l. If p d, th pr j t ll r tl h lp n br n n b th t l dr pp r, n t t?
AU IE CE: . . . (chuckle).. .
M . UA E: If p d, th pr j t ll r tl h lp n br n n b n n th n tr t n nd tr nd th r l t d f ld . rth r, th St t f , l M C nt , r M r, h r n th C n l h v d, d t b n nd nd tr th t r r n r nd p nd nt. h M n rt th r ht h b t ll t r t r n r t n r n nd fr ndl ff nt r rt. h t r ht. W v n th pl n . W v b n n r pl f t r . Mr. l n nd h rp r t n h v h r d th t. W r v r , v r pr d. And, n , I n b d d rl r th t r tt n p d nd n h t, d d t l n h. t th t j t t h r, r n r r b t , th pl . Y n , ll, h p d th pl t h r . Y n , th pl v l nt r d t h r n th r n, n b r f th . Aft r h f nd t n pl n h r , h d th n nt, , t f nd t f ld f nd l d ff r n ll r l pl t v r th h ft t th h t l, b th h t l d n t l d n h n th h r . S , n , n l n b t t, v r pp rt n t t p pl h d dn t h v r . And , l n h d. h n , Mr. l n , t d l l n h. W h ld h v ll b h d xtr .
AU IE CE: . . . (chuckle).. .
M . UA E: In d d n th d v l p nt , th M rt d v l p r h r t r p t t n n p n nd d v l p n , nd d l t d v l p t t f th rt d v l p nt th t ld b th fl h p x pl f d n r rt th r ht , nd h v n n fr ndl r n r rt ld r t j b n t nl n th nd tr f r
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MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . UA E: f r n tr t n, b t t l ld r t l n t r j b n th v t r nd tr . And n h t, f p pl pp n th th t b r n, r n fr ndl pl , n th r b pp rt n t f r . Y v r th ht b t th t? If h v n fr ndl , l r f r , th r b j b f r r th r p pl , r h ldr n th t p r t t t f th v t r nd tr r n tr t n nd n t th n , th n t t hn l . And r n t h v r rt, r n t h v r rt th t n t b th t t hn l ll dv n d. It n t b th nv f th ntr . pl d n t . I t. I th ht M n r t th h t l. I h v t r t f Mr. l n t It n t dv rt d. d n t b t nd p tt n t n th p p r . t h br n n ll th p pl fr r th ntr , ll f l f nd n d t n, t hn l , h br n n n n lt nt .
MS. AKA A: r n t .
M . UA E: Wh h d n th t? h nt r t r rt. And n l t th n th n lt r ll Mr. l n tr v n f r n thn lt r . th n th t th t p f p pl thn ll th t h br n n n, th n p pl , th t ft r h h r ll f th p pl h ld d r t th r v f th r f l b r ? Ar n n ? C n, h dd n ?
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M . UA E: S ll I , n l n , th t t r l , n th C n l t r l t th , nd t n r l n n h. l , pl p th fr C tt t th C n l nd l t t th b ll t rt d. t t th p pl b t r . All f th . h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. rt . M b r , n t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , Mr. rt .
M . UA E: h n .
C AI MO I A: h n . xt t t t f , h v Ir n f ll d b M r n.
MS. OWIE: Al h , Ch r nd C n l M b r . I Ir n , Ex t v r t r f M rr nd t n. M rr h b n tr n d v l p nt pr j t n M n f r n rl t d d . W v h rd ll th pr nd v n th pr br n. Y r b n t ld th t r nt n dd t n l nt tl nt t M n rt ll r t j b , th t ll n d t d th z n n pr r . h pr nt nd f r r M b r f th C tt d d nd ppr v d th pr j t f r r th 4 nd t n , th r n
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need to change or review conditions now except as suggested by the developer. Don't accept these statements at face value, instead consider the facts. In 2006, Dowling Company was given entitlements to build a gated luxury condo project just south of the Maui Prince. The Planning Commission was told this project would create 1,500 construction jobs between 2006 and 2009 at the project's completion. Well, the area has been blasted, bulldozed, and scraped for two years now. Have those 1,500 construction jobs ever materialized? It's my understanding that Mr. Dowling and his investors have asked the Planning Department to up-zone an additional 600 acres of Makena Resort land as part of the Maui Island Plan update process. This would mean that no review of environmental, social, or cultural impacts on these lands would be required until after the first entitlement decision is made. This second rezoning request is not before you today, but should bring up questions as to whether today's rezoning request is about jobs or maximizing corporate profits, in other words flipping the property once it is the desired zoning. Makena Resort already has the right to seek building permit approvals on over 100 acres. In light of the economic crisis we now face, it would behoove the Council to make sure that Makena Resort's backers have firm financing to guarantee these promised jobs. Remember Seibu's outrage when it was suggested that they only pursued rezoning because they intended to sell the resort lands for a sizeable profit? When the price was right, that's exactly what they did. Can any of you assure the thousands of people who just voted you back into office that what is being promised today will actually come to pass? If not, reject this corporate move on one of Maui's greatest natural and cultural assets. Let Mr. Dowling provide the jobs he has already promised our community. Let him use the zoning he already has, and let the fmal development of Makena Resort be decided in the new Maui Island Plan with real input from the hundreds of people who participated in that process. Any zoning application that requires 41 conditions to bring it into compliance is fatally flawed. Since the Land Use reviewed this application and the attached 41 conditions, Wailea 670 has been reviewed with conditions of its own and we don't know how these two projects will jive. Councilmembers Baisa, Victorino, and Pontanilla, I sat with you and 300 members of our community --
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MS. BOWIE: --last Saturday at Christ the King Church as you pledged along with FACE Maui to work towards affordable housing and appropriate land use and for better, more diversified jobs. I urge you today to make good on that pledge and push for jobs that create affordable housing along with jobs that increase efficiency. Revamping existing buildings, cars, and appliances, improving transit, waste, and water infrastructure--these are the jobs that will keep our County working and our quality of life something we can be proud to pass on to our children and grandchildren. Thank you.
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Ms. Bowie.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony.
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MS. OWIE: I l d h v p th t p d t t th G AC th t th 600 r th t I r f rr d t , ll b r v n th t.
C AI MO I A: O . h n v r h.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : W v t, v t th p nd th ll nd r n, I , pp d t ll b r n.
MS. OWIE: Y n , th ll , t ll pp d t b r n b t pr nt r, l r pr nt r r nn n t. . . .(chuckle). . .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : S ll th r n th t r nd th
MS. OWIE: Y .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : th n rth, th n rth t
MS. OWIE: rth t, r ht.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : p rt n f th rr nt M n rt, th t th r th t 600 r th t h nt t b r l z n n
MS. OWIE: ht.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h h rr ntl A nd p t r l nd?
MS. OWIE: ht.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . h n .
C AI MO I A: O . M b r , n th r t n ? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , M . . xt t t t f , h v M r n f ll d n . M r n? O . t h r . n ? n ? M r r t Cr [sic] r t Cr , I rr . M r r t Cr ? M r r t Cr ? t h r ? ll K f ll d b r h .
M . KAMAI: Al h nd d ft rn n, C n l M b r , Ch r n M l n . r t b t j b , t b t th r , t b t th pl nt pp rt n t th t f th ppl t n ppr v d, th t t ld b ff rd d n th n tr t n nd tr . h h p r b ll , th h p t f d n th t bl , th h p t n r r, th h p f r r d t t ll I n , f ll, f t l d ff, v r n n th r , t rr n r r , t h lr d . r t th n th t r r nd d d I v n h n t h lp p , , d , p n t v r th l p h l I n t r n ? S nd th n th t t nd h I n p b ll ? r t th n d t n pl nt - 97 - A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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ff , f l f r n pl nt, nd h t th t d t rt th l t n . Y t x nth f n pl nt r "x" nt f d ll r t n th t t p r d b f r f nd n th r j b. t n b d t ll th bl p n n t r n , n b d t ll th M El tr , n b d t ll th ph n p n , n b d t ll th , th r d t rd p pl , n b d t ll th b n , th rt l nd r , th p pl p r nt t th t r n t r n . O ? Aft r th t ll t n pl nt n r n nd h n th t r n t , h t th br dd h d rl r, t t th n b t v n t b nn t f d r f l , nn t p r nt, nn t p r rt , l r h , t t h. And rr ntl , h v 24 b r n thr h th t n r h t I d r b d t j t n . M f r t h h n v n . I h rd dl nd t t r f r l , I d n t v n nt t t nt Chr t , b t th t h t r b r r n thr h r ht n . h r n j b r ht n n th p p l n . I n th t th r r v r 0 p r nt f th Op r t r Un n t f r nd th t , th t p ll tr bl d t f r th r t f . th p r t r n th r f r t, ft r th th pl b r , l tr n , rp nt r , th r t f th tr d p pl . And h n th p r t r b n h v r 0 p r nt, th t t ll th t th r n r n th p p l n f r th r t f . h b d h th pp rt n t t r t r l f f r r b r n th n tr t n nd tr . And t n t j t , t r br th r nd t r n th h t l nd t r nd tr ll. Aft r n
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . KAMAI: r t j b pp rt n t f r p pl t fr nt d , h p n , l nd p n , nt n n r r . h n l nd n , nd h t d ff t th r p pl . Wh n r n t f j b nd h n r n t f r pp rt n t , r n p t t n th th h t l r r , t . S , I t v r l f nd ppr v th ppl t n. h n .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Mr. K . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n , Ch r n. Mr. K , th n f r b n h r . Y h rd rl r t t n fr n h d th t t pl n l d f n tr t n r r fr O h rr v d h r n M nd . r n th W l 6 0 h r n I tr d t p t nd t n n th t ld r r th d v l p r t M l b r, p f ll M n n l b r. And t th t t t t f d th t t n t n r , th t h nd h d n h. t ll f l th t ?
M . KAMAI: Y , I d .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . h n .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , n th r t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , Mr. K .
M . KAMAI: h n .
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AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , h v r h f ll d b K n n K h h n h n
MS. A AGUC I: , I r h fr th M C ntr t r A t n, nd I l h r t pl d nd l t v r b d n th t r nd tr n d r t . I h v b r th t n r n th h rtf ll fr 20 t 80 p r nt f th r p n . I h v n r h r n d ff th th r pl b th d n t nt t l th ff I h v n r h r b r b n n th j t th lv nd th r r t r b th h v n r . S , I h r t t t t nd f r th n , f r r nd tr nd t nd p h th , th pr j t f r rd.
C AI MO I A: h n , M . r h . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , K n n K h h n h n f ll d b Sh nn n G ll r . K n n ? t h r ? O . Sh nn n G ll r f ll d b lph Ov rt n. Sh nn n? O . On th .
M . GUI E MO: G d ft rn n, C n l M b r . M n Sh nn n G ll r . I nt d t th n f r th pp rt n t t b bl t h r r n th . h , M n h l b n r p t f r b t h r I r p, t h r I l rn d th r v l fr f l t b bl t b th p r n th t I t d . It h rd f r t p h r nd p b n t n d t t th r. I t h d th n t n M l b d v d d b f h t h pp n d th M l n h, nd th p pl n b th d b th h d th r ht n r . It j t th n d d t t th r. S th th d n th t r d th t ll h d, t d v d d f l , t d v d d, n , h b nd nd v , t d v d d d nd p r nt , nd t th th n th t h pp n n n . I d n t n Mr. l n . d th f r t t I t ll v n h t h l d l , nd I h v n th n p r n l n t th p r n, nd I h v n th n p r n l n t ll f n h r , b v r b d h r f r h t th b l v r ht nd th r ll h r f r th r ht r n . Y n , h v f l , n d j b , n d t h v r f n n nd t ff n l n t b bl t pr v d , nd d n t d th t t th xp n f t n th nn n nd t n h t v t l t th n t . I n th r h t b pt n , n . I v d b h fr th nl nd h d t h v dn tr n pl nt nd I h d t t h h r thr h t h t . And h n r n th h p t l f th d t r t ld h, n tr th r b th n r , I l , br dd h, r z , n t n , n , t t t b , n t n tr t ff nd tr f r t ff t th h r l f n th b l n . Y n t d n, n tt r h l n n t , nd n f r t th r ht n r b f r pr d n, nd th t h t I n t d . h r th n nd th r r l nd t ff n pl t d th r ht th n th t v r th n thr h. Y h, th n t n d j b , b t fr h t I nd r t nd nd b b d n d t xpl n th t r l r t p f r , th t th j b n t b v l bl t rr . S th - 99 - A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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h l th n , b d r nd r n f r d n t ntr l th t r t th t n n th pl n , d n t ntr l h h n th p nd r h n th r h th . S v n f ll f th t ppr v d nd h d br nd n h t l t rr , j t n p r f n r nd th r h t l, th n tr t n h d j b , th t p d th r r ll th t r n th h t l, th ll t p d. If t r t d n t t p nd th r n n th l nd h r v r t t n th l nd, d n t ntr l th t, th t , th t b nd r ntr l, b nd r n . t d d t t th t f d r t n r d t . I j t nt d t h r t th n . I t, I b l v t ll d n EA, n nv r n nt l nt, nd th EA f r Mr. l n . h pr p r d n A t, 2006, pr p r d f r K C. I v h rd l t f p pl p h r nd th t Mr. l n r t nd I pr tt r h , nd h pr b bl h d nt nt n f r h t v r h d n . t th
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . GUI E MO: th p pl th t h h r d th t d d th t d , t r ht h r f n t v n r ht x t n th pr p rt nd n t th r pr p rt , t ld h v n t v ff t n th v l f th pr p rt . S th t ll r ht n th t f h r t th r th r h l l t r r d t n h pr p rt , h pr p rt v l d n thr h th t l t. S th t t t ll t ll fr h t I r d n th t h j t n v rl t ff r h n h r p pl th t v rl t ff, nd v r th n h ld b t n nt n d r t n b ll pp d t b n t th r t f r t n , l t n f r v r b d . W h ldn t b d v d d, n , th d v l p r n n d , th n t n th th r. W ll fr M . Wh t d t r ff t . If pl nt ,000 p pl n M n , h pp d t t t th b h? Ev n r r f t n f r , h th ,000 p pl pp d t t t f K h ? h r n th r r t , th r n r d n. Y r t l n b t p tt n p pl n d n r.
MS. AKA A: r n t .
M . GUI E MO: S ll I th t th r ht d n t th r ht t nd th n b t th v r ll n t , n t j t n d , b th r r th n n d nv lv d. h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: O . h n , Sh nn n. C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . xt t t t f , h v lph Ov rt n f ll d b Cl d h .
M . O E O : G d d , C n l M b r . M n lph Ov rt n, I t t f n n b h lf f th rv n . C p n . I h d th pp rt n t t tn th t n f v b r th nd tn d th t t n v n b n rl 2 t z n . W r ll f n d ff lt t th l ff , pr j t l d n , nd t r dr p ff. v r, th r th f h n nd h p v r h r nd th t h n nd th t h p n r b l t t v f r rd. Y r t n 00 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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. . .(change tape, start 6A). . . nt ll h p t n v r n f l nd r n t , pr v d n th C tt t th p rt nt t p , h h pr b bl ll b t rr , t v f r rd. I r th C tt t v f r rd, t v f r rd t p th Ch n n n n n t f r t r d n . I ld l t t br f l b n th h t r f th dr ft b ll n rd r t h t v f r rd. A h v n, r t f r Ch n n n n n t t d b ppl t n n v b r 8, , nd n l 2 , 2000 th M l nn n C n v t d t r nd ppr v l f th r t t Ch n n n n bj t t t n nd t n . On M r h 2, 200 , th C tt d f rr d n d r t n f th dr ft b ll. On l , 200 , th C tt d f rr d n d r t n f th dr ft b ll. In A t 200 , th C tt d f rr d n d r t n. At t t n f S pt b r , 200 , th C tt d f rr d n d r t n. On O t b r 8, 200 , n th C tt d f rr d n d r t n. Wh l h n d d r t th O t b r 2 , 200 t n , th nd U C tt r nd d th t th r v d dr ft b ll p f r t r d n nd th t th C nt Cl r r rd th n l t r l nd d l r t n f r nd t n l z n n . r l t r, th C tt h d t n p t n. t n M r h 8, 2004 nd Apr l 4, 2004, th C tt h ld t n th t v n f r rd nd p n f f n l r d n . d , v r f r nd h lf r l t r, th C n l C tt h n th r h n t v f r rd b p n th h n n t f r t r d n . h l n C p n highly r p t d nd n t nd d d v l p r. l t r p t th t, th r highly respected nd r n t nd d d v l p r ntr r t h t l t f th r th n I v h rd p h r t d h v d. h ddr ll r n bl n rn nd nd t n , I nd r t nd t h v . . .b t f r nd t n th t h v n t b n t p t d . h l t pr j t h h ll h lp th n tr t n nd tr t n b l t nd pr v d nfr tr t r pr r . And p n f v n f r rd, h t b t n nfr tr t r pr j t t p t p pl t r nd b ld h t n d d f r M t v f r rd? A r t x pl n b n th th r d n O h h r b t r ff l d d d n t v n f r rd
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . O E O : th d l n t n pl nt, nd th r n pr v d d, n r d nd h d dr pp d d t d r n p p l t n r th nd b tt r n r t r n rv t n, pr j t th t t n t t d $20 ll n. S l t , h n t t p nt th n l d n d fr th r pr j t, p rh p n ff t v l ddr th M t r th n tr t n f d l n t n pl nt th t ld b r t pp rt n t t t b h nd nd pp rt, b n t b th l n C p n , b t h b t t xp r . I ld, I ld pp rt th t nd f pr j t. S , n, I nd I r nd I th C n l M b r h t d ? t v f r rd t rr . h n f r th pp rt n t .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: O . h n f r t t n . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , Mr. Ov rt n. xt t t t f , h v Cl d h f ll d b G r A l .
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MR. HAYASHI: Good afternoon, Chair Molina, Council Members. My name is Clyde Hayashi. I, I'm testifying on behalf of Hawaii LECET. Hawaii LECET is a partnership between our signatory contractors and Hawaii Laborers Union Local 368. I want to echo much of what bruddah Bill Kamai talked about. Our union, we have the same situation, 25 to 30 percent of our members are on the bench right now. Relief is needed now for those members, those workers, and their families. But I think maybe more important is the need for economic stimulus because as we, as we talk with our members and we talk to contractors, what they see down the road isn't very, isn't very good. I mean we don't see, the light at the end of the tunnel is very dim. And so what we're hearing is that as time goes on we're going to, our bench is going to grow and grow. Something is needed to get, kick-start the economy, something is needed. This, approval of this would show other investors, right, that, that, that there's a positive movement. This, and, and the other thing I want to mention is that this project is slated to be, this isn't just temporary work, the work is slated, this whole project would take from what I've heard over 30 years. Maui, Maui members, Maui workers can work, can be provided jobs for that long a period of time. The other thing I wanted to mention is that we're, the Laborers Union at the national level and locally are very concerned about green building, very concerned about, about the whole, our leaders are involved in the Apollo Alliance at the national level. And I want to share that Dowling Company, Everett, Jennifer Stites, and others have been leaders in this area in promoting green building. They've been active trying to get architects more educated about green building. They're involved in a lot of community forums, a lot of conferences encouraging people to really look at the problem of global warming, look at the problem of greenhouse gases. And I think that he's been a, he's been a leader in this area. I think he deserves support. It'd be great to see an entire project built green, green building. Green building is really something that's needed. Right now that's actually contributing more to greenhouse gas emissions than transportation. Sixty percent, 70 percent of the energy consumed is used for buildings like this, air conditioning, computers, lights, and so on, you know, and then he's been a leader in this area. So. . .and again, I want to re-emphasize relief is needed now, so we hope that the Council will see favorably on this project. Thank you.
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you for your testimony. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony, Mr. Hayashi.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Next to testify, George Aikala followed by Marc Turtletaub.
MR. AIKALA: Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, Members, Council Members. My name is George Aikala. I'm the Field Representative for the Laborers Union Local 368 here on the island of Maui. As Clyde Hayashi just said a little while ago, we're between the 25 to the 30 percent bracket area of unemployment. The reason why we're not that high like the rest of the trades is because of the fact the laborers are the first ones in and the last ones out; and this has always been that, that scenario. So we still have some people working, but we have a lot of people that are out of work. We're talking about 40, excuse me, we're talking about 85 people out of work right now on the island of Maui. I know Ms. Anderson said something about two planeloads 02 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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n n fr O h nd t ff l th t l nd n h r n M br n n n n tr t n r r . h n tr t n r r r n th tr d . h r r p l r r th t h r b th pr b bl h v n t n r v r th r n O h , th t r n h r t r l n d th th M r r th t r h r . Of r , f th p n r l tt n f th r r h r n M , b t f th r t ll r n . h C rp nt r Un n, h t d ll, 200, 200 b r t f r . h t h r ht n . Y n , th th n b t t , nd n th t p pl p h r nd th r t t f n b t M n , th d n t r ll n th h l . h th n b t t nt r z n n b v th M n d, n t d n n th n r . O ? It n t n t ff t th M n S l , t n t n t ff t r rf n r h t v r n t d d n n th r . Of r , b th tr ff ll, h t d ll, n r ft r p r d f t . W r t l n b t ,000 n t , n t ,600 n t . S th t r th l d r t th r th t r tr n t t ll th p pl h t h pp n n n M n , pl v th th tr , h t d ll, l d n n h t h pp n n n M n . n t b t ll n th , h, t n t , n t n b n d n th r , th f h n t n t b th r n r , th r n t n t b n d v n . . h pr j t b v th M n d, b v th lf r r . n th r th n , th l p h r nd th , h , h r th t r n fr ? Wh n I h r r d , I r b r Mr. l n h h 2 ll , f th r n p r t n r ht n , f th r b lt . t h l t d h r nd h d th t h ll n t b ld d l n z t n pl nt n M n th t n t t th $2 ll n f th t th ppr v l f r th , h t d ll, z n n . S r l t n n ? I n b d l t n n t th ? It n t h lp th p pl h r n M , th r d nt . O ? And f r th th t d th r n nd t ff l th t, th t pr p rt th t Mr. l n n nd f h , nd t h pr r t v t n t t, n t t. O ? h M n nd n h r th t r tr l t d d n th r , t pr v t l n d nd h t r f th , h t d ll, r tr d n th r ? It th pl fr , h t d ll, M r n , th r th n th t d n th r nd l n th t l t
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . AIKA A: th t th p bl t, n . And h n t t pp n th fr n th r , nd h n t n t t p fr n th t r th r, n br dd h nd n t r . O ? S n t t l t th th n , n d j b , p pl r h rt n . W t p pl th t b ht h b t r nd h lf , th n t p th r rt . S f th r v n b th th r p r nt . I n b I t n. O ? I nt h t v b t n, n . . . .(chuckle). . .
AU IE CE: . . . (chuckle).. .
M . AIKA A: t n , th h t h pp n n . S l t th t t n, th r t r, th p pl h v th t r, th r ll n t p t b ld pl nt, $2 ll n. Y n h h r th t n t d f r th l nd f M ? O ? S l t . . . h v r r n z n th p pl , pl l t th n t n t n t t h th n. All r ht?
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MS. NAKATA: Four minutes.
MR. AIKALA: It's not going to bother the Monk Seals. And if this continues to go on, some people probably be eating the Seals. Okay?
AUDIENCE: . . . (chuckle).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: All right. Thank you for your testimony, Mr. Aikala.
MR. AIKALA: Thank you very much.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you. Next to testify, we have Marc Turtletaub. Marc Turtletaub? Not here? Kenny Hultquist? Kenny Hultquist? Gone. Lee Altenberg? Okay. Excuse me. Kenny, Kenny's here. Okay. Mr. Hultquist.
MR. HULTQUIST: Good afternoon. God, it would have been great to follow Marc Turtletaub, he's a great guy. My name's Kenny Hultquist. I've lived on Maui for 18 years and in Lahaina for 12. I'm a self-employed papermaker, fiber artist, and an independent videographer, and I currently have 58 programs on my producer list at Akaku. A lot of the people that have been coming up here, constituents--actually, I've been home in Lahaina watching this for the last five hours on TV. I just took the bus over here. I planned on coming here. I stayed up to 4:00 in the morning and did my testimony and wrote it all down and fell asleep and got up too late to be here to, now, to be here early enough. It's going on long enough that I actually got to take the bus and get over here. Let me start on my testimony. Many of the constituents testifying today against the rezoning of Makena Resort will be pointing out the obvious issues like lack of water resources, archeological surveys, or out-dated traffic studies. It's disappointing that Everett Dowling has brainwashed or bribed people into believing that approval will immediately generate jobs for hundreds of unemployed residents and that the labor force hired to construct these affordable homes will qualify to buy and live in one. The focus of my testimony today is to communicate to this Council the significant collateral damage to the overall health and welfare of Maui County. Certain injustices have occurred as an unintended consequence of previous approvals of Dowling developments. This past October 23 rd, the Policy Committee unanimously rejected a resolution to seek State legislation that would take cable access fees from Akaku Community Television and be given to the County government. Riki Hokama who introduced the resolution for the Committee to consider said, and I paraphrase, "I'm confident that we can put forth a proposal and hopefully convince the Legislature to consider a higher percentage be provided from the current cable provider." Jo Anne Johnson supported this statement and emphasized the desire to maintain transparency in government. Gladys Baiasa [sic], I'm sorry, Baisa --
COUNCILMEMBER BAISA: Perfect.
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MR. HULTQUIST: --said I would like to join Chair Hokama and Ms. Johnson in supporting some sort of new law that would provide an adequate funding source to Akaku to do the work that they do. It just makes sense, it's what democracy is all about. And I would take that to mean that this Council supports Akaku and what it stands for.
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MR. HULTQUIST: Everett Dowling is a well connected and influential UH, ex-UH regent who just happens to have an intense dislike for Akaku. It's no secret that the man whose company's motto is "Building in Balance" spent a couple of hundred thousand dollars in 2005 arranging for SB 959 and HB 748 to be introduced to the State Legislature, and they were bills designed to reduce Akaku funding by two-thirds. The Senate and House bills died, but meanwhile Dowling was able to influence the DCCA to appoint friends of his like Charlie Jencks to the board of Akaku and succeeded in stacking the board eight to seven and immediately fired the CEO. After 15 years of stellar community service providing uncensored programming and all these cameras that are sitting around here is Akaku, and that's why everybody at home can watch what's going on right now today, uncensored programming to Maui community citizens --
MS. NAKATA: Four minutes.
MR. HULTQUIST: --and winning praise from many entities, including Governor Lingle. And the battle for the control of Maui community television continues to this day. Dowling has not abandoned his assault on Akaku and his latest attempt to legitimize and justify his goal to take over and censor Akaku, he started funding a business in Paia called Maui Media Lab. . . . (inaudible).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay, Kenny. Kenny, can you hang on? Can you tie your comments back into the project itself?
MR. HULTQUIST: Actually this is, I really believe that what I'm talking about is part of what's going on. Because if you guys agree to approve Dowling's project in Makena, that will, that will supply him more funds to combat freedom of speech and try to take Akaku out. So to me that's something that is inherent in what we're approving here today, we're talking about. So I'll cut to the end. I respectfully urge that Maui County Land Use Committee reject this Zoning Change for Makena Resort --
MS. NAKATA: Five minutes.
MR. HULTQUIST: --and to redirect your priorities to advocate and encourage true affordable housing developers who don't want to use their personal wealth to provide homes for the privileged rich while taking resources and opportunities from the general public. In other words, send this carpetbagger packing.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you for your comments. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Okay. Thanks for your testimony, Kenny.
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CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. I have to ask you to wrap up. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Okay. Thank you for your testimony, Mr. Baumhover.
MR. BAUMHOVER: Thanks. \
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Matthew Driggers followed by Rose Royce.
MR. DRIGGERS: I'm nervous. But I want to thank all the Council Members and all the Staff because you guys probably have the hardest job. You got to listen to everybody get mad and stuff like that, so I give you guys credit. I'm for the project. I've lived here my whole life. I used to camp out down in Makena when I was a little kid. You could actually like drive up to the beach. And I used to go diving and there was fish before and there's not that many, much fish nowadays. And I don't really think that's a result of the buildings and all that. I think it's more just the people. We weren't managing our lands correctly. But I think Dowling's a really good developer. I actually believe in like the things he says. But I really don't believe in most people. That's the thing, like they'll tell me all these spews and I listen to a lot of developers and people that come here and then they leave, they do all kinds of stuff. But he actually like. . .he'll hire the smartest guys, you know, and people talk about like the heiaus and all that. Like I see Uncle Bully on like his golf cart driving around marking all these areas and stuff, and, and he's always out there, you know. So for the heiau part I think he's doing it, a good job, you know. And I don't think Dowling would allow anybody to cover up a heiau. And for the water and all that stuff he just, he's an awesome individual, you know. We are so blessed to have a developer like him in charge of something like this, you know. And everybody has faults in their, in their careers, their life and stuff like that. But he's just a really good person and you'll, he's, he's not embarrassed to hire an individual, and these individuals cost a lot of money. They're not like $10 an hour, they're like couple hundred dollars an hour. And then like if you look around, it's like a lot of local people. I'm pro-Maui, you know, I don't want to say that but I am. You know, I want to see all my friends have jobs because most of them go to the mainland. I just had one of my dear friends move away and that hurts me, you know, because he was a working friend. I have a lot of friends here that don't work, you know.
ALL: . . . (chuckle).. .
MR. DRIGGERS: But that's what happens when you live here your whole life, you know, you're like ho, did you get a job yet? I can't hang out with you until you get one. But he's just really good and I had other things to say. Oh, like the, the earth is on ground over by the black rock kind of, the black beach over there. That's because they're re-sodding so that they can actually save water, because the current grass that we had at all the golf courses require too much water because the salt was eating it up. So they're like re-sodding it to conserve water. So he's taking initiatives to go green. He's going like above and beyond. He actually like throws meetings about like all these high tech filters and stuff like that, to filter out all the debris before it hits the 08 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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ocean. I got like a masters in business management. I went Stanford University for project management. I'm on like a County board. I'm in the Guard part time. There's a lot of things I do and like his stuff is just awesome, you know. Like, I'm like whoa, you know. Like I know a lot of high tech stuff. I work with servers, computers, and stuff, but his stuff is cool, too, and I think his project is just awesome. I love how he hires local families and stuff. If I looked around and everybody wasn't from Hawaii, I would be like, you know, I would be against the project. But he actually hires local people and he has like our best interest at hand.
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MR. DRIGGERS: And I just want to thank you guys for doing an awesome job.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Driggers.
AUDIENCE: . . .(applause). . .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you. Next to testify, we have Rose Royce followed by Elden Liu.
MS. ROYCE: Good afternoon, Council people. Nice to see you again. First, I'd like to emphasize the fact that I have no interest in the Dowling Company and I'm not fmancially associated with the Dowling Company. I am strictly here as a business person and as a resident of Maui since 1977. I have seen a lot of changes on Maui, some of them good, some of them okay; however, most of them have been good. And there are developers who have come and gone, which some of them I really probably wouldn't like to remember. However, when it comes to Everett Dowling, I have the highest regard for Mr. Dowling. I respect him as a human being, as a developer, and I don't say this lightly, believe me. I respect him as a member of the community who does like me, me on a small scale, manini, gives a lot of money to charities. Maui Arts and Cultural Center, you name it, I mean he is always there with a pocket. He's in many ways also, like myself, I try to hire as many local people, again on a manini scale. He is very supportive of the community. Some of the testimony I have heard earlier is very, very hard for me to swallow because even so I'm a business person, my heart and soul has always been for Maui and the Maui people and the islands in general. If anybody cares more about the aina than I do, believe you me, I'm just like a Hawaiian who has been born here or have been for, the family has been here for generations. I love . . .(change tape, start 6B). . . Mr. Dowling feels the same way. But I also want for you to understand how hard it is right now as a business person. Right now in this recession I, myself, have to make the sacrifices so I do not have to lay anybody off If I would have to lay off my secretary right now, she would lose her home. So for me there is no trips, except for the bathroom, because it's free.
COUNCIL MEMBERS: . . .(chuckle). . .
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COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Yeah. Joyclynn, I just wanted to ask, you didn't go through the, all of the ownership records to see how many royal patents there are?
MS. COSTA: Well, I have a indices book that already tells me who actually is on those properties, and the way that the laws are set, even in your version called the HRS, it actually was taken from Chapter 21, Section, Section 1 of our Kingdom laws. And it stated that every, the royal patent known to us through the Land Commission award is for the benefit. . .and is for the benefit of the heirs and assigns of the original patentee, even if the property was alienated, meaning sold, traded, whatever. So if you look in your HRS today, which is like your bible, Corp. Counsel, 172-11, it states that. The Land Commission award, the original awardees still holds the title, it's in your guys' law books, and the beneficiaries to that are all of the assigns as well as the heirs. It doesn't say the heirs and if they sell, then the assigns don't have. It kept it into perpetuity for the unborn children to come, all of them. So that would be HRS 172-11 and it's backed up by cases, but it originated from the Kingdom law Chapter 21, Section 1.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Thank you.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Member Anderson. Any other questions for the testifier? Seeing none, mahalo for your testimony, Ms. Costa.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Next to testify, Kenneth Barr. Kenneth Barr? Not here. Diana Dahl? Diana Dahl? Steven Aronson? Steven Aronson? Not here. Randy Niklason? Randy Niklason? Randy Niklason? No? Nio Kindla? Nio Kindla? Patricia Nishiyama followed by George Kahumoku, Jr.
MS. NISHIYAMA: Aloha. . . . (sigh). . . It's been a long day, my goodness. Aunty and I are here. My name is Patricia Nishiyama aka Aunty Patty Nishiyama, born and raised in Lahaina. My birthplace was called Puukolii in the Ahupua'a of Hanakaoo, which is now called Kaanapali. Na Kupuna 0 Maui are here today to support Na Kupuna 0 South Maui, south district. Na Kupuna O Maui has been involved with this project for over five years supporting the kupuna of that district. We have taken the responsibility to be the caretaker and support the kupuna of that district for all cultural preservation of this development and, of course, making sure it's a smart development. To all, you can rest assure that Na Kupuna 0 Maui will protect and preserve all our culture in Makena and anywhere else. This will include burial sites, cultural sites, the heiaus, and all native Hawaiian plants. Who will challenge our kupunas' wisdom, who was born and raised in that area? Na Kupuna supports Everett Dowling. He has been meeting with our kupunas and keeping us abreast of what's going on. Everett Dowling has acknowledged the kupunas' concerns. He will do anything what the kupuna tells him to do. Kupuna south district is happy with Everett Dowling. We are very pleased with Everett Dowling. Please move this project forward. Na Kupuna 0 Maui has taken the kuleana to make sure that Everett Dowling will be pono and his work for the community will be pono. Mahalo.
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MS. IS IYAMA: Al h , C n l M b r . C n r t l t n t r n l l t d nd pr l t d C n l M b r . I n t f l n ll t d nd h v d A nt tt h t pr nt th l tt r f r . M n G r K h r. nd I t h rt nd r t h n l n h S h l. I l f r r nd r t r , l , b n n , l t p t t , nd th r l l pr d . v r, I b t n n f r nn n thr Gr f r th nn l 48 th, 4 th, nd 0th Gr A rd f r t n M Alb . I r t n th l tt r n pp rt f Ev r tt l n r t t d v l p M n . I h v b n n th n nd l t f r v r r . M r t r nd th r E l p l n th r n l l t, 20 l t nd d d t th f 6 th t tt n n nd rd. M d d t d 0 r n th l t nd h d d l t n t t h t d. h r n I r t n th l tt r b n 2006 I f ll rd d n l t n l n h n . h bd v n b lt b Ev r tt l n t r r bl ff rd bl b pr r n f $ 60,000. If t n t f r Ev r tt l n , th r ld b 00 r n f l n h n th t ff rd bl h n . I f l th t r bl d t , n , t b h n 00 t t n ff rd bl h n , b t th r r n th nd r h n d r h lp. t b h v h nn t t b nd d n th n f r th th nd f br th r nd t r h l n d ff rd bl h n nd h lp, nd r h lp. l , h lp Ev r tt l n b ld r r ff rd bl h f r n p pl nd ll f r th r n r M n t . h n d r, n t t r. l h lp h t d d f r . l pp rt Ev r tt l n d v l p nt f r M n . M h l , G r K h , r.
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MR. FRIDAY: Hello, I'm Michael Friday and I represent the 1,200 Longshore and Warehouse Union members at the Grand Wailea Resort, many of whom aren't going to have a real good Christmas. All we hear is cutbacks, closures, cutbacks, and closures. I support this development because I know that it will make not only construction jobs but long-term union jobs that will feed families, working families who are the backbone of Maui. How many more people have to leave Maui just to get something to eat? Who are we protecting the aina for if the kamaaina have to leave? Thank you.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Any questions for Mr. Friday? Thank you for your testimony, Mr. Friday. Robert Apo followed by Kiana Soloria.
MR. APO: Aloha, Council Members. My name is Robert Apo, I've been a hotel worker since the late `70s. I actually opened the Maui Prince Hotel. So a lot of my friends here, who it's nice to see them here, I hate to see them without jobs and I'm speaking here today jobs, jobs, jobs. Molokai Ranch, Aloha Airlines, ATA, we can't have any more people on this island unemployed. So, of course, I'm in support of the change in the zoning for the Makena project. To tie in with the construction industry like Mr. Kamai mentioned, you know, we need the, the work for the construction guys. We don't need any more unemployed people on this island. As far as the developer, in my mind I can't think of no other choice to develop Makena than Mr. Dowling. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your patience for being here, we're almost at 6:00 p.m. Thank you, Council Members.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Mr. Apo. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony. Kiana Soloria? Kiana Soloria? Sanchia Foiles, Foiles? I hope I have that pronounced right. Sanchia Foiles? Not here? Okay. Douglas Corbin? Douglas Corbin? Okay. Adam Petersen? Adam Petersen? Our 120th signee, Robin Knox? Robin Knox followed by Kyla Manzano.
MS. KNOX: Good afternoon and mahalo to the Members of the Committee for allowing us to come and speak to you on this matter. I would just like to extend some empathy to the members of the labor force who are concerned about their jobs and in fear. I know what it's like to be apart from family and to give, not own a house and to go without getting paid for a long period of time, because I have done all of those things to come here and to fight for better implementation of environmental laws in this State and for this island. So I can really understand your fears and the suffering that some of you are facing because I've faced the same things. I would also like to echo what other speakers have said about Mr. Dowling and the Dowling Company. I think Everett is a good guy, I think he's sincere about green building and I think he's a leader in this area, and I really commend him and his staff for the work that they do. And I often say that Everett Dowling is doing more for water quality than many of the environmental activists on this A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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l nd, nd I tr l b l v th t. t I d n t th n th n r h th r r n t Ev r tt d r ll th b f r th v n n . I, I th n th t th l nd nd th p t f l nd . And fr h t I v h rd nd h t I v n, I d n t th n th t th r ff nt nf r t n d p t th v r l n t fr nv lv d f r t r d n. I ld th t n r th t r l v n p t r d t p bl tr t f th t r f th St t nd th t ld r th t h v pl t ppl t n, nd th t th t ppl t n h ld d n tr t th t th pr j t ll n t h r th nv r n nt r th r r nd th t t ll b n f ll pl n th St t nd d r l l , l th Cl n W t r A t nd th C t l n M n nt A t. I p f ll th t t p nt n th pr th t th nv r n nt l p t t t nt b pd t d. t nl th nf r t n n t td t d, b t th pr j t h h n d v r th r nd r n l d h h n d. It nl r ntl th t h v tt n v r l r nf r t n b t th p t f nj t n ll n th r f . h r n n n t r l t th t h n n th l nd t lf n f th b t pr d t r f p t t t r l t . Y d n t v n h v t d l th p rt l r l d f p ll t n, n l t h r h n n th l nd nd pr d t th p t t t r l t . Wh n h n t p r ph nd h dr l , h n h th t f n t n . S d v l p nt n n t nl br n t n p ll t nt l d
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n , Ch r n. b n, th n f r b n h r . t th r h d n t n , r t r l t xp rt nd h v d r n th t nd h v d n n lt n n t r l t f r v r nt t v r th r . S . . . nd I n h r t t n th t nd v r nd I ppr t t. I n th t h v l l d t th n r h r t r l t n t r n r p rt th t r d n b S b n lt nt v r th r . h r r p rt th t r r r d h n th t th r lf r z n n . And th p rp f th r p rt t n t r th r n ff nt th n r h r t r v r p r d f t . I th n th r p rt r t l t n r, t ht b t r. t I r ll th r n th r p rt t th r f r th C n l nd U C tt h n S b n d th nd br ht th f r rd f r r v . And h t l rn d t th t t th t th n r h r t r fr nt n M n rt h v ll x d d t r l t t nd rd , St t t r l t t nd rd f r n tr n l d , n tr t , ph ph r , nd t rb d t . S t n t th t n d t l t th Cl n W t r A t t r th t h t v r d ll dh r t th t, nd I h p Mr. l n ll p t n ntr l t t p h t n n nd n t ll n f rth r d t r r f . C n t ll th nd t n f th r f fr nt n th h r l n r ht n d t th p r d t r l t ? 6 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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MS. KNOX: Well, I'll start by saying that my expertise is in, in water quality and, and the clean water regulatory structure. I am not a coral reef expert. I have been working with coral reef experts and experts on algal blooms and, and learning from them. My personal observation is that, from reading all these reports and from swimming out there and snorkeling out there, is that there is a gradient, there is a pattern developing that where we have development we have impairment of water and also degradation of the reef ecosystem. And, you know, the more development, the more impairment is the pattern that we see. That pattern does seem to be moving down the coast even in the few years that I've been here. I've seen more of the invasive . . . (change tape, start 7A). . . and, you know, I think one of the points is that we still have a very healthy reef at Maluaka, and Russell Sparks--he's with the Division of Aquatic Resources--will tell you his advice is to protect the reefs that are not degraded. Because we don't even know if we can restore a reef system. It's a very complex system. And so the best thing to do is to be prudent and to go slowly and to bring forth the best science and the best engineering. And I think that the Council has a really unique opportunity here, because I think that we've all heard Everett Dowling will bring the best people here. And you know what, it's not his responsibility, it's your responsibility to protect the public trust. He's a developer, his job is to develop. He's a property owner, he has rights with that property. It's not his job, it's the job of this Council to make sure that your decision is based on good enough information and that there's some demonstration of compliance with the law. Now you can put that burden of proof back on the applicant and ask him to get all of this good science together and show you. But so far I have, I don't even have a clear understanding of what the project proposal is, you know. I've, I've, for instance I've heard how many numbers of units, but that's not a meaningful parameter for protecting water quality. What would be more meaningful is to know how much impervious surface are we talking about, and how much are we changing the grade, and, and questions like that. And I, you know, I, I think that we can have development and reefs, too. I think that it has to be that we need more involvement of the County in implementation of State and Federal laws. And I did put some specific suggestions. For instance, the marine monitoring programs that are often put in place as, as conditions of these permits or zoning rights, really all they do is kind of document decline They don't feed back into management programs, and they're only looking at water chemistry at Makena anyway. We're only looking at water chemistry out on the reef and that's a very, water chemistry is subject to so much variability, sea conditions, and whether or not there was runoff and all kinds of things. So that's not really the best way to tell. Biology tells you more, but by the time the biology is gone it's too late. So, I think it would be better to look at what is the loading coming from the, the project. And, and when a developer tells you about all the great technology that they're putting in to reduce that loading, ask them what is that load and how much pollution is going to be discharged after all your technology is put in place? And how much more is that than what we have now today so that we can start to make quantified things and make more informed decisions.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Thank you very much, Robin. Thank you, Chair.
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AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: K l M nz n ? K l M nz n n t h r . M b r , th Ch r r f th t . I n f l l r h rt n .
COU CI MEM E S: . . .(chuckle). . .
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members as well, and right now we're facing some tremendously difficult times. Everett has donated over 3 million, $3.3 million to non-profits in the last three years. Now given the economic situation that we're facing right now, we're looking at 16 percent cut in services at MEO in the next budget, and 20 percent cut from the State that's coming up. Rental assistance, we've been asked to cut. We can't do it. There's people out there hurting, people out there starving. We have a very uncertain future for the members and non-members of various unions. I'd strongly urge you to move this out of Committee as quickly as possible. It's going to mean people off the bench for construction, for tourism. At least there's a future for them, they know what's going to happen. And you know, it just, I want to sum it up because I don't want to waste too much time. But just, I, please, please, please, please get this done quick. I've been out there walking Kihei. I've walked house to house Kahului, Wailuku, South Maui. I've talked to numbers of people and they need jobs. They need their kids to stay here on Maui, they don't want them to move away. So thank you for your consideration and hopefully, you'll get this done.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Mr. West. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Member Baisa?
COUNCILMEMBER BAISA: Yes. Mr. West, thank you for coming today and for this, hanging with us for a very long day. It's in regard to this job thing. You know, we've heard over and over today that everybody's concerned about jobs, everybody needs jobs, and I don't, that's, I don't think we need to say that, we all know that. We've all seen the numbers and they're very frightening. I was particularly concerned to hear about the Operating Engineers and I know that it's cutting through the entire industry. It's been also mentioned that we have a misconception that if we approve this project there will be jobs. What's your take on that?
MR. WEST: There will be jobs. There will be a future. You know, I wouldn't expect Everett just to blindly move ahead not knowing what his future is. We have a man that in my opinion, I mean if I can grow up and be like him, I would, you know, that's what I want. I want my kids --
COUNCILMEMBER BAISA: Me too. . . . (chuckle).. .
MR. WEST: --I want my kids to be like that. He set a tremendous example for our community, for our children. I mean if we could have one of every ten of our children grow up and be like Everett, this would be a better world.
COUNCILMEMBER BAISA: So your understanding is that Mr. Dowling would be creating jobs in very short order --
MR. WEST: Yes.
COUNCILMEMBER BAISA: --to help these people that are here?
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COUNCILMEMBER BAISA: I think that's really important because, you know, we're being told two things and I'm trying to get clarification.
MR. WEST: Yeah. And, you know, there's another thing that has been floated out there too as, I'm going to go off, but there's been people saying that he's going to create timeshares. Absolutely not. He's pledged it to us that he's going to keep, keep it hotel. And I think that's very important and there's a lot of misinformation out there, a tremendous amount of misinformation. You know, and I respect both sides, you know, you know, but get the facts, you know, really that's what we need. We don't need all this misinformation out there, it just creates hostility, waste, wastes time.
COUNCILMEMBER BAISA: Well, thanks again, thank you very much for the clarification.
MR. WEST: Sure.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Member Baisa. Any other questions for Mr. West? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony. Next to testify, we have Lucienne de Naie followed by Uncle Les Kuloloio.
MS. de NAIE: Aloha and good evening, all. My name is Lucienne de Naie. I'm testifying as a private citizen. I have two topics. I'm passing out a map of cultural sites because whether or not you approve zoning, you still have a responsibility under our law to make sure that you're aware of what the, the potential for our history to be kept or lost is. And I really would urge this body to follow what was in the Community Plan, which is very simple. It just asks that before an area is rezoned that there be an inventory of cultural resources, and it says very clearly all cultural resources located within to, within or adjacent to the proposed project area prior to application as part of the County development review process. Now this doesn't mean oh, later on, this doesn't mean oh, some day before we build. It means prior to deciding what should be developed. And I feel particularly strongly about this, I've given three years of my life to serve on a citizen planning committee. When something like this is adopted as a law, it should actually mean that it is a law. You see by your map there are over 1,000 features. These are not individual sites, these are features. I have every faith that Mr. Dowling wants to take good care of them. But you should not just have faith that this will automatically happen. This needs to have a better review than has been done in the past. This was not done on Mr. Dowling's watch, but, you know, we had that little, little heiau that Ms. Lu'uwai described today. She couldn't see it because the landscape has been so altered there. It's still there, it wasn't knocked down. But it was lost for 70 years. It was identified in 1929 and after 30 years of surveys in that same area, five surveys went in that same area, never saw it again, and finally it was rediscovered like in 2003, 2004. You have to ask yourself that's a little 11-acre parcel. What else is left to be discovered? Probably plenty. So I trust our kupuna will do a good job in doing this, but there are some very special places there. There's the Old Aupuni Wall. There's the old wall that Kamehameha III erected to protect the kuleana properties from raging cattle. It's on the parcel that's going to be a hotel. I hope Mr. Dowling will protect this, it's the best fragment we have left. I don't see it on 2 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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C AI MO I A: O . h n , M . d . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n , Ch r. h n , nn . I n th fr th t d th t d d . . .(inaudible). . .
MS. d AIE: Y . h l ttl d t r , h r nh pl tt d nd GIS v r n l f t r th t h d b n r rd d p nt l 2006. Of r , n t d h v b n d n n th n nd th r , r n t n th r . t I j t nt t p nt n th n t. Y ll th l r t n ntr t n f t r r ht b h nd Ol , nd I ld h p K p n 0 M n th r d nd th r h r v th ld n d r r nd n th t th b n r v r l ttl d v l p nt pr p d n th r b 0 r , 60 r . M b tr d ff ld b d nd th r , t ld b l ft lt r l r r nd lt r l r r h t , l v n n v r t t p h r th v ld b n p r d fr th St t p r . If G d f rb d r St t p r v r h d r n l v l nd n lf d b th n, d h v l nd b h nd t th t ld b b d pt d. h r r n f nt t n th r th t I v
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n ph t r ph f, nd I v n f f th n p r n n t r th t S b t n r . And
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . S
MS. d AIE: th r r ll rth h l .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : t n , th n th t h v h n r d rb n d t d
MS. d AIE: Y .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : th r n
MS. d AIE: Y .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : ld t f th t rn t t b pr h t r ?
MS. d AIE: Y h. rt ll ll f th r . h r f fr h t ll d th t r Er . t h v t r l z th t r Er v r p rt nt r , t . h th t f K h h I, II, III.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : ht.
MS. d AIE: S , n , b t n f th r r C l b n nd, n , th r fr , th r l t f t n th 400 t th 600 n, n M n nd, f r , b t 000 v n. And r ld b d v r d, fr n l , f, f th rv r pl t d. A l t f th l nd h v n v r b n rv d f r 20 r 0 r . h r rv d br fl h n th lf r nt n nd th n th r n t thr t n d n n v r rv d th n.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : S h n I l t th n , th t th t r n th lf r , t f th r n th r h . S f th r n th r n.
MS. d AIE: Y .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : S ld t b f r t th n , th d t th t r th n th r n r n ?
MS. d AIE: r th t p rt th r . I n th GIS nd, n , r t b l h r , th fr G l E rth. t v r 00 t r d nt d h v n b n d tr d v r th pr f r t n th lf r . S , .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : S ld j t v n d f th p r nt f th t , th d t th t h n th lf r , h t p r nt t ll x t ? t r h t t .
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MS. d AIE: M ld b t l t t th rd .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O .
MS. d AIE: Oh. Oh. Oh, n th lf r t lf?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Y .
MS. d AIE: . On th lf r pr b bl 80 p r nt f h t h n n th lf r r d tr d. t th n n th r h, pr b bl p r nt t ll x t.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h r h b n th nd v l p d l nd ?
MS. d AIE: Y h. And I t , t , th t...
COU CI MEM E A E SO : t th r h n th lf r ?
MS. d AIE: . h r h f th lf r .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Oh. O .
MS. d AIE: h r h f th lf r
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O .
MS. d AIE: nd th nd v l p d l nd th t th lf r rr nd.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O .
MS. d AIE: h r tr nd p t nt l h r . A r l tr nd p t nt l.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n h.
MS. d AIE: Y r l .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , n th r t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , M . d .
AU IE CE: . . .(applause). . .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , Un l K l l f ll d b A hl dr .
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M . KU O OIO: Ch r, f ll C n l M b r . l K l l . I j t nt d t h t t r l f t. I v l t n d t n f th p r nd I th n I l f d t p b t M n t n ht. I l f d b I n b t n f th l nd t tl th t t pl th th C nt f M nd h pr d th th r l nd t tl nd th r h l l t r v h n I r t rn d fr 62 fr th US Ar . In 6 , I d d t f th r h l l t th Ch rl K , d d. b r Un l Ch rl K nd, n , l r h h d r p rt h v nn . nn t th r p rt nd fl t nd t th n r p rt. And I j t nt d t br n th n p t p r. h l nd t tl n M n l rl d f d. Wh n th rt br ht t th C nt h r , t t t d tr t rt . And t th t t th Ul p l n h ld th t S b . h r t n f t tl nd v r p r h r b t l n l nd th t th th n b l n t th h v r, t n th r n r . Y h, n f th p r t ld th br dd h th r r n th W l d . h t tl f S b nd th r n h l rl d f d b th rt . S th t tl r l r d nd. . . f r. And th n h t, h t r nt h n l r, h, b t t l r d n th rt , , p ll th th C nt C n l, th ld C nt C n l d r n th t t . Ar h l t t rt d n 4 nd 6 . I n 6 rt th t d lt th l nd nd p r, l nd nd p r th t d lt th ll th r lt r h r n M , nd d r n th t t n 6 t b n r l t t b th p n n t . b r? And M n j t pr , pr , pr . h r b t f h n . W ll, h t? h r l t f f h n M n b I f h, thr n t, nd d v t. h r r t rtl I v n n th n n 6 h n I r t rn d. And th nl r n h t rtl r tt n h rd t t h t h, b l t f p pl r tt n n th b h. t th t rtl r r ll p t n nd h v r t rn d fr , K n h n , M n , K l l , ll th n pl th t I n f, , nd th n t th r . And ft r 6, th p t n f K h l , th n 8 h r th St t r ll d ll th h t r l t . b r? In 8, th r ll d t. t, n h t?
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
M . KU O OIO: S b d d v r d j b n th r h l l t , nd I pl nt S b , I pl nt l n f r t n th h ll n , r bb n th b ll b th h rn b t n nf n h d b n nd n t b tt r. I pp rt Mr. l n . I pp rt Mr. l n . Wh ? r b r th l t t t n I v ? I n l h b ll t b ll nd h t? I l v h t . And th t p d f l l n nd n n , n t fr t d f th St t f . C ll r d nd th b th ll th p lt th n . S b th d n d t r t th r. W n d t r t th r. And f n ll , th , th r h l l t , pl , d n t l t n t f t r . W h v St t t r r rv t n Off nd th r d n d j b. h r l C n l d n d j b .
MS. AKA A: r n t .
M . KU O OIO: And th r th n th t, ll I n I h v r t h r , b t I pp rt h b , h, I th n h n t f ll p. n t l ttl b t b tt r th n th r t I v n. Onl
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t d v l p r I pp rt, th r t . . . (inaudible). . .b t h n f th . Ev r tt, r n l t, n th t. I t h n l h . n th t.
C AI MO I A: All r ht. h n f r r t t n , Un l .
M . KU O OIO: h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , h l f r r t t n .
M . KU O OIO: h n . M h l .
C AI MO I A: M h l . A hl dr f ll d b rl Wh t .
MS. O IGUES: ll . G d v n n , v r b d . M n A hl dr . I r ld nd I n r t ld n h S h l. I h r t l :00. I h v rl r l , I n t d t h n r n th n . S I h r :00 j t t t t f f r th . I d , I ld l t p. . h r n nd h r n d n n S th K h r h n d d f r th th nd th r n p pl , h h I l r n p r n. I v b n r n n th f 6, I r t S r . A f r t r , t r th n l 0 p r nt f r n , b t t r t d n t h r t r h t l . r t l d n t h r t r b ld n , r St t b ld n . h h r f r th b h , b h v r lt r l t , b h v lt r l t f r t r pr nt th n p pl . A f r th t I t l d t l t f t r t , I n th r t l b n . I t l t th n b t n th t r , th t r t nd th l l p pl . h l r l nd, th d n t l r b ld n . If th nt d t b ld n , th ld h v t d h . h t ll I r ll h v t f r t r . t f r j b ll, th ll r t j b , b t t nl n t r t h rt t r r t p r r j b. Wh n n tr t n t, h h p pl b f r h v t t f d th t , j b r n d d, b t th l r l t l nd th t n b ld n. On th h t l d n b n b lt h r l r th n t ? Wh r r n t b ld? ht n t p f l l ? I n I d n t th n n b ld... lr d n W l b ld n p th nt n nt th v ll . I d n t n h , h n t r l h l t n ht pr tt t r n , r n n , f t r n l th t, th h r n t d n th h ll. I n n tr t n, d n d. I h v l t f f l b r n n tr t n r t f j b r ht n . t t p h th f r rd nd t p d t p j t t r t t p r r j b n t th n r. , h, f t b p h , n d pl t p nd t. And I b l v th t ff rd bl h n t ll th b tt r t b th I ldn t nt t b , I ldn t nt t t ll t d r nd b t r h t l n r, h t v r, nd h v n pl t l v . Wh t th p nt? h r n p nt. S th t ll I h v t t . h n f r r t .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
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C AI MO I A: M h l f r r t t n . C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n , A hl . And th n f r t n h r f r l n . W ld p pl r ll n t t t t. M h l . xt, h v rl Wh t f ll d b El n W nd r.
MS. W I E: Al h , C n l. h n f r th pp rt n t t nd p t n ht. M n rl Wh t nd I r n nt t th th Un v r t f nd v n f A t r . I n t r n th t h t t n ht p r , b t d h v l t f xp r n nd p n n b d n th t. I v l rn d l t th v n n , j t th v n n th r rd t th pr nd h t th t l z n n n . I v b n t t nd j t rr v d b b t nt d th pp rt n t t t h p h r . h , Mr. l n , h t ff t h f r l t f th th n h d n t h lp r n t nd th nv r n nt h v r, th r n d t b r r d n . And I d f r t l t nd v r th n b n Kn x t d p h r nd d, nd th r p t t th t nd th t d th t br ht p l ttl b t . On r t r l t n t r n I rr , I h v n t n th t d t, b t I n t ll fr th t t n d t . . .th . . . nd t v r pl x. W n l t r n , th r l t b tt r th d l . And I th n r r n d t b d n . I h hl r nd r d n th EIS f r th pr j t. It , th EIS t lf t ll r nd th nd t t th t t n t n pl n th rr nt r l t n . h EIS p rf r d 4 r . W v l n n th n, n l t r , h v l t b tt r t hn l , nd l t f h n n r nv r n nt. On f th h n I d l t t l b t t n ht l t h n nd th h l t t d th t r nd r l nd t r. S l v l r nd l t h n v r r l. I n l t f p pl r t ll h v n h rd t b rb n th t. h t r n l n tt d l t h n , tt d l b l r n , tt d n d f t n. And h t th t n f r ll t t r CO2 . . . (change tape, start 7B). . . t t br th n nd xh l n CO2, d b n th l p f l b l r n f r th n xt 00 r , l t r n t. S h v t d pt nd h v t b bl t n r r l n n r t , nd t d th t n d t t ll f th pr r nd tr ff f th nd r t rd n t p tt n n r n th . W th, nd I n t n I n t d v l p nt, b t n d t r h rd r t b n b tt r, nd t th d v l p nt , p rv rf r h . W l v n , n n nv r n nt
MS. AKA A: hr n t .
MS. W I E: h r h v v r t p t r h d r t r h d n th lt r l nt xt th n h p . It xt nd fr th nt n t th n. Ev r th n n th p rt f th t nd t ll nn t d. h r n d nn t n b t n th t . Wh t h v t d n l nd ff t th n. I h t t th t I f l l I h r n t r n , j b t h n r r f d l n , nd I t h n th d th nd d tr t n f r r f nd t d t nthr p n p t fr n d ff r nt r , f r . t t h pp n n nd th r l t th t n d nd h v th r p n b l t t d f th C n l n n r b b n th f r t t p n pl nn n t h lp t t f th p t . O r pr t t n f r r r r t rt n l nd nd, I
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rr , I n t r d I d n t p t h. M C nt h r p n b l t t pr t t r r r nd t t rt th pl nn n .
MS. AKA A: r n t .
MS. W I E: And dd t n ll , th ppl nt h th b rd n f pr f t d n tr t th t th r ll n t b p t t th r r . And th b rd n h ld n t b p t n th St t , th C nt r th p bl t d n tr t th ppl nt pl n th St t nd d r l nv r n nt l l . Al , d t h n n th d b n th l t r h l l nv nt r rv , I r p tf ll r t th t n n b nd t d.
C AI MO I A: O . M . Wh t , I rr . I h v t t p r t t n .
MS. W I E: Oh. O .
C AI MO I A: t th n . I h v t n f r fr th p n l. M b r And r n?
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h n , Ch r. M . Wh t , th n f r b n h r nd n ff th n f r . Wh n d th t th d l n f r r f n b tr d t nthr p n , nthr p n p t , n h n, h n p t ?
MS. W I E: Y , . h t tr .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : And, nd th p t ld b ...
MS. W I E: h r l r l , n b r f th n . Ev r r f h t n t f tr r nd th r b n t n f th n , nd th r n fr r n ff, nj t n ll , v r f h n , p ll t n n n r l, n n p nt r r n ff fr t r v nt .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O . I j t nt d t l r f th t. A l t f p pl d n t n h t th t t r n . And th n th th r th n th t d th t r n t r n th d l n f r r f . C n v , nd I d n t n f r f l r th th r f n th r , n h r l t th r .
MS. W I E: O t n fr nt f...
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h r h b n t d d n . S I , I j t nd r n f n v d f th d l n f th r l v r n th r .
MS. W I E: In th t p rt l r r r ht n d r r f h rv . W d n t h v p r n nt r l t r ht, l t d d r tl n fr nt f th t. h r r n th dj nt r . Ar , v r l r r nd th l nd r d l n n t r t x d n t pl n th pl n t. S t f r v n rn.
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : , d t h h l r th?
MS. W I E: t n r l . h l r th r lt nd f t r f th x p ll t n, h h r n tr nt . O r t th r f d. S th t n r t rb d t h h d r nl ht h h d ff lt f r r l . h l bl h h p t th r l f r p , nd r l n n t nl th nv v l t n v r, b t n th t rf l th t th ht r j t, n , d l r n t n p th r t r ll n l , h h th p n t ff th t nt th r f t th r. h t l th l nd n p d f r n f th b b r l n t f th n. W r n l t f th n th t v n v r n b f r . And th n r n l , l pr d r h h n r b t r l nt nt. I v b n t l n th r r h r v r t M n b t th n r n t ph, nd h f nd n t ph n th t r l r, r l bl r nd p p l t d r . W r h p n t br n h t M t d r r , b t...
COU CI MEM E A E SO : And th n f r r r , ppr t t.
MS. W I E: O .
C AI MO I A: O . M b r , n th r t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n v r h f r r t t n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: xt, h v El n W nd r f ll d b n n .
MS. WE E : G d v n n nd th n f r t n . M n El n W nd r. t n n t th t t n t d t b l t 0 r , th t h n Un l Edd Ch n t d n th Ch b r r pr nt n h lf n nt t d t tr t t p th f r t M n l x r d v l p nt, M n S rf rt, n xt t h pr p rt . h n b t t 80 b f r fr nd r Ch n nd h r h b nd Un l Edd n v d b t M fr th nl nd. S I v b n tt n h r th n n f h r t ll th , h t ld Un l Edd th n ? n 80, Un l Edd ddr d n nd t h h n h n rn t b v l d. v r rr d b t th lt t n f th r f d b r n r n ff nd th ff t n r n l f . An n h n r l n th t r n h th r f h b n d r d d v r th p t d d b f th d v l p nt. rn d b t th f l r f nj t n ll , th r t f r t r ppl , th p t n h t r t , nd th l p t f l x r h n . Un l Edd ld h t ld t p , b t th C nt d dn t l t n. I Mr. l n t d h t ld b n h f r h ? h n d h n d t ? n l x r pr j t d h n d t b ld b f r h t f d? d l n th r n d, n tt r h r th t n d fr h ll b ld, nd th t b t p r nt f h l x r h n b ht b M r d nt . S 8 p r nt b lt f r ff l nd r d nt h h v nt, n t n d. W d n t n d n r l x r h n . It n t h lth f r n t t h v h pr p rt n d nd r th rd h b ff l nd, v r h p rt t r d nt . G t d n t r th nt th f h t l f n M r pr nt f r t f . h d th t th r t f r n t d n h t n d th x l v n l v
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tr l r p n nt. I r t d t l p n rd n n pr h b t n th r t n f t d n t n M C nt nd t d n th r t f r r z n n . h n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: h n , M . W nd r. C tt M b r , t n f r th t t f r? S n n n , th n f r r t t n . xt t t t f , n n f ll d b Iv n .
M . O MA: W l . Y n I h r n n n I h r t pp rt th d v l p nt, nd, n , I th t ppr v th z n n h n . I th n th rr nt n t t n, v h rd t ll, ll d l n b ll , pr b bl h t, 24 h r lr d . And, n , I, I d n t nt t r p t th th n , b t, n , th n , n , f r x nth b h nd th nl nd, th n I th n th r t ll t . I j t rr d b t th tr l ff t th t n th t, n , r n t r ll f ll r f. S t t b pr p r d nd nd f v f r rd th pl n t nd f h r p r l l n . h d v l p nt th t I, I nd r t nd t, n t n rp r t l t f r n n pt , n r n rv t n, nd pr d t n v n. S nd f th t n t th t p f d v l p nt r l n f r, th n I, I t t th t n, h t r l n f r n d v l p r nd th r pr j t? G h, n , I h v t d , thr d t ll , t d th t t ll l v n M , b t I d n t th r f t r r n h r v r br ht t th p nt n t . S I r ll , n , ld l t , pt n t th r . M b th r th n th t I n t r f, b t, n , f r n , f r t d I nd f l t th d v l p nt pl f r th n . h n .
C AI MO I A: h n , Mr. n . Q t n f r th t t f r, M b r ? S n n n , th n f r r t t n .
AU IE CE: . . . (applause).. .
C AI MO I A: xt t t t f , Iv n f ll d b n l Gr nth .
M . AY: Al h nd d rn n , Ch r M l n nd C n l M b r . d I t th t r ht?
COU CI MEM E S: . . .(chuckle). . .
M . AY: Oh, x , d rn n . W r t th ft rn n, v n n lr d , r t th v n n . Ex . . . .(chuckle). . . M n Iv n f th C rp nt r Un n. I h r t f r r pp rt f th r z n n f M n . b , pl nt pp rt n t f r th n tr t n nd tr n l d p r t r , l tr n , pl b r , l b r r , p nt r , ll r f r r, r h t l, b llb , t r , tr . . . t r nd tr , n r . h r ll pp rt n t th t n h pp n th th d v l p nt. And th tr , t tr l d n t . Wh n th p pl r r n , h t h pp n ? h h v th b l t t t r t r nt , th h v th b l t t f d th r f l , t t th r f l t th d t r, t l th th , n r n th t th h v d l t f l f , n r n th h v th d l r . h - 130 - A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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are all important factors. They're able to pay their bills, they're able to make their car payment, they're able to, most importantly, pay their mortgage to stay here in the islands. You have the ability to fix Maui's economy, to change it, to get it in an upswing. You have to take this first step to change our economy. You've seen all the people today here. Everyone's saying there's no work. This is the first step. Everyone's said Everett's a good developer. Let's go. And by the way, Everett, you're a good neighbor and if you ever want to move to Haiku area, let me know, okay, 'cause you can fix our roads up there, get me some water, be all great. We appreciate all you've done for the community. Thank you very much.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Members, any questions for Mr. Lay? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony. Next to testify, Daniel Grantham followed by Ed Lindsey.
MR. GRANTHAM: Mr. Chair, a question first. I was fortunate to come late and I have testimony from Diane Dahl who had to leave and couldn't give her testimony. Can I give that for her?
CHAIR MOLINA: Members, any objection to Mr. Grantham reading Diane Dahl's testimony?
COUNCIL MEMBERS: No objections.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Proceed. You may do so.
MR. GRANTHAM: Thank you. Congratulations on the fortitude you're showing here to go through all this. There is a concern, more serious in coastal areas that needs to be considered in Everett Dowling developments. Mr. Dowling's signature style and his upscale project involves bringing in tremendous amounts of fill until the natural landscape has been completely covered into a flat table or into flat terraces on a steeper slope. While this makes building easy, it covers up and blocks all the natural drainage. In the Palauea Bay project, for example, so much fill was brought in that Wailea residents complained for a year and a half about the constant traffic of dump trucks. I think the total dumped was in the neighborhood of 200,000 yards. The natural drainage that had protected the coastline by slowing and filtering the storm water through porous rocks, porous beds of lava rock was replaced with huge underground culverts that accelerated runoff from the project onto the road and beach. Whether muddy storm water originates on his project or from farther uphill, it now has a relatively direct path to the reefs. It's the gift that keeps on smothering. This does not appear to be a one-time mistake by someone who learned from it. The more recent Maluaka Beach project follows the same fill nature until buried philosophy as did the Kulamalu project before both of them. This is a distinctive Dowling style. The Maluaka fill appears to contain less silt than the Palauea fill. But since Mr. Dowling made a point of trying to prove the mud below his Palauea project came from up the mountain instead of from his fill, maybe he just found it cheaper to use local rock. The culverts are still in place ready to hurry the runoff away. Since the Council has a mission to protect our natural resources and Members have made commitments to sustainability, we need to charge planners with carefully inspecting proposals for the kind of easy-to—catch, repeated mistakes like this. And
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MS. AKA A: r n t .
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t n. O . t t h h t , p ll h n t t h t I d n th n t t h lp h l n r n th r r n z t n h n d h lp. h t . Don't go there.
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C AI MO I A: O . C tt M b r , n th r t n f r Mr. Gr nth ? If n t, th n . h n , Mr. Gr nth .
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C AI MO I A: O . Mr. Gr nth , . W ll pt r r tt n t t n nd ll r l t t t th M b r . O . h n . xt t t t f , h v Ed nd f ll d b K l G z.
M . I SEY: Al h h h , C n l Ch r nd C n l M b r . h n f r h n n n th r n th v r p rt nt d n n pr . M n Ed nd . I h v b n r n th th n nd I tr t t b rf nd. . . nd l th t l . h th r t pl t d n b t p l r z v r b d . W j t h t h pp n d. n t l t t d n nd t l t r . h t h I bl t v h d n th pr j t th t I r n th, t d n nd t l t r . If ld l r th d nd r nt ll t th t , r G d v n nt ll t nd r n th t n fr th h nd v h th r h . It l f . Ev r b d h r ht t l f . Ev r b d h r ht t n p n n. I t ll h ldr n th t p n n nd I nt tl d t p n n h n I ld n th . S f th l nt p r fr th n n r f r r t d nt , b n r t r d t h r, nd I pr d f, I pr d f th r t l nt nd th r p n nd th th t th n t . And h v n p pl h r n th b h r l , th th r f r t t v n t t n pfr nt, nd I pr d f th . W r n h n . W n d t t d n n t nd d h t n d v l p, h t d n d t v , nd h t nd f j b n d t h v th t tt n p t t h th r, nd th t ll n h th r n Y n , n nd nd t h b n nd f r l f r th r h l l t . h r h l l t , v n M l K r nd ll t ld h n I d nt h r ff nd t l t r , h d th t th t h v b n rv d n r ll b l t b th r n t hn . Wh t th t hn r , I d n t n . h r n t hn t n t d v r h t n n. W h v b n r n n n r h l l t f r n n r n nd th t n n ll .
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MR. LINDSEY: --carbon dated 264 AD, Halawa Valley. That's our kupunas that have came up here on double-hull sailing canoes and they had settled in all different sites of these islands. And these days, you know, if we were to go up and destroy Machu Picchu, ho, you going have the whole world screaming at you.
CHAIR MOLINA: Mr. Lindsey, I'm sorry. I have to cut short your testimony. Members--
MR. LINDSEY: Can I finish with one sentence?
CHAIR MOLINA: Go ahead.
MR. LINDSEY: I ask you, bring our community together. We need the jobs, we need to save our things. And mahalo and God bless you.
AUDIENCE: . . .(applause). . .
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Lindsey. Committee Members, questions for Mr. Lindsey? If not, thank you for your testimony. Next to testify, we have Kelii Gomez followed by Marilyn Stupplebeen.
MS. GOMEZ: Good evening, Chairman Molina, Committee Members. My name is Kelii Gomez and I support the Makena Resort project. The emerging economic issues facing our precious Maui County are problems that we need to address now. This project will create hundreds of jobs in the construction and hospitality industries, two parts of our economy that have and will continue to suffer greatly during this recession. But not only will these two segments benefit, all of Maui County will benefit from the real property tax revenues this project will generate. So, Council Members, Makena Resort is the right thing for our island's economy. Please take action now and approve the resort's Change in Zoning request so that we can all benefit from what it has to offer. Thank you.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you for your testimony. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? The Chair has one question for you. Are you a student or are you employed?
MS. GOMEZ . Oh. . . (chuckle). . .I'm 32.
COUNCIL MEMBERS: . . .(chuckle). . .
CHAIR MOLINA: Oh, my goodness. Well, I see so many young people in here, that's why. So anyway, well, thank you.
COUNCILMEMBER VICTORINO: Good boy, Michael.
CHAIR MOLINA: We're getting, it's getting late in the evening. Thank you for coming out. Okay.
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M . MIC AE S: Al h , Mr. Ch r n. G d v n n , M b r f th C tt . I nt t t l t th v n n b t th n th t h n t r ll b n d lt th v r h. On r t p pl j t r f rr d t t br fl , b t t n x r bl l n d t th d n r n b t M n rt nd th t r n v t n fr S th M . W n n l n r n r th t th ll n v r h pp n. W n th rn n p p r th t f t v n f r n n d th v t n f th M n l t l t rd . ndr d f p pl r th r d n th b h t p th fl nd t n f r b t fr Exp d t n nd r l t p th p. h t l b th nd h n d nd th r p d. Wh t n t h pp n h n, nd I h n, n t f, th r d nd f r n r n v t n fr S th M ? r t f ll, l t x n h t th pr n tt n t f S th M . I l v n M n . . .(change tape, start 8A). . . v r b d h r h l v n S th M n th t h n th r n d nt n th l n h , tr ff t p . h nl t n n rth l n h r S th K h d. If tr nd t ff th h h nd t S th K h d, f d th t v r b d l h d n th t t nd n t, j t n t v . And th t h n nl fr t n f th p p l t n n r. t p pl r t r r th r th th v t r r t th b h r t th h t l r, r p pl r j t h . Onl fr t n f p pl r n r . Wh t n t h pp n h n v r b d h t v t n th f f t v n f r r n n n t n ? h pr bl v t l d b t b f r , b t v n v r d n n th n b t. I t t f d b t th t W l 6 0, b t th C n l d dn t t n t n r d dn t tr t d n th n b t t. S h t n d b t t? Wh t n th C n l d h n r t l n b t r t n th r r t t f S th M ? Wh r n f nd n ? h r St t nd d r l d . Wh t n th C n l d ? W ll, h v n pp rt n t b t nth fr n r n t h v n r d nt h b rn n , h n t ntl t l n b t th n b n h n b r n f . And h
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h n t d l th th n ? Infr tr t r . nt t l t f n v l bl f r nfr tr t r . At th t , r S n t r In h j t b th Ch r n f th S n t Appr pr t n C tt , h r th n . S h t n d ? I ld l t t t th C n l
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learn what it was like being in colonial America. What if, I asked another question, would it be possible to preserve the native American, the native Hawaiian culture with an enterprise?
MS. NAKATA: Four minutes.
MR. HUGEL: Perhaps I'm speaking to Mr. Everett Dowling here. Would you be able to create revenue, substantial revenue, provide something of cultural significance, help establish a large number of jobs, create an alliance perhaps with the University of Hawaii, the Maui Sustainable Living Institute and other organizations, perhaps get government grants and have a working Hawaiian village where kahus can then teach--
CHAIR MOLINA: Mr. Hugel, I'm going to have to end your testimony. But I'm sure that's something--I'm sure Mr. Dowling's in the gallery--he can take that under consideration. Okay. Members--
MR. HUGEL: So, I thank you all very much.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Hang on. Committee Members, any questions for Mr. Hugel? If not, thank you very much for your testimony, sir. Next to testify, we have Clare Apana followed by Zandra Souza-Amaral.
MS. APANA: Good evening, Council Members, Chair. I was just here yesterday testifying to try to protect an old neighborhood where the great wall of Palama went up. And testimony I've heard here today really concerns me. I didn't know that Mr. Dowling had so many projects that were ready to go but are not going. Because if he's the great guy that he sounds like, I think he would be doing it for the people, and I'm really scared that a project this big he may not be able to finish. So I'm here in support of you to really make this project tight so that in the event that Mr. Dowling is not able to finish it and it gets passed on, we don't end up with something like the Palama Street wall when the next developer comes in. I think it's a real possibility. I, I, it really scared me to hear the person testify and say the projects that were on hold now and that there was no work going on in some of these places. And I feel so terrible that you can't count on anything in these days. I actually want to tell you about, I want to read the, the Code, from the Code. This is 19.510.9, "Preliminary archeological and historical data and comments from the Department of Land and Natural Resources and Office of Hawaiian Affairs of the State, and if applicable, a preservation and mitigation plan which as been reviewed and approved by the Department of Land and Natural Resources and Office of Hawaiian Affairs of the State". We went to look for the AIS [sic] for this project and did not fmd a completed up-to-date one. We didn't find one that looked over the whole project, and there was no reviewed preservation/mitigation plan approved there in the records. And so I would ask if, if it, you have it in your packet? I mean I would really love to see it. This is just something that I feel very strongly about preserving our cultural sites and our culture as much as we can. And having those well documented is going to be really key to preserving them. So if you have them in your packet already, I would really love to see them, and I would encourage you, if not, to be sure that
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you have a comprehensive, up-to—date, and complete plan Because those sites are important to our history and to our people, and they really need to be documented well.
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MS. APANA: And I thank you very much for your time.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you, Ms. Apana. Committee Members, questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony, Clare.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Hannah Bernard, excuse me, I'm sorry. Zandra Souza-Amaral followed by Hannah Bernard.
MS. SOUZA-AMARAL: Aloha auinala ko'u mau, hoa aloha. Good evening, my friends. My name is Zandra Souza-Amaral, and I stand before this humble body and thank you for your support of the Makena Resort project. As I listen to my fellow brothers and sisters giving testimony, and truly we are, speaking to the young ones out there who have such passions about the land that their ancestors grew up with. And myself, someone from the year of 1952 who played and camped, hunted with the Lu'uwai's in Makena. I hold that land very dear for me, to me, and that is why, envision this, my brothers and sisters, rather than having a project that is broken up into many developers, into many pieces, I lived through that type of development and it does not work. A holistic approach works much better. Everett Dowling is a man who is a part of this community, who has proven himself to us. When we fought for a school in Kihei, could not give, he built and we've got that. But that's not what this is all about. We're not going to build this project because Everett Dowling's a good guy. We are not going to build this project because I want it or you want it. We're going to build it because this is what is best for the community. My brothers and sisters, these are some of the concerns I heard as your humble testimonies were given. My brothers and sisters, I must tell you Makena will be developed. Dowling and his partners will be challenged by their banks, and as a real estate broker I can tell you, the banks will come to him and say you know what, Mr. Dowling, the money that we have to loan you that doesn't match up is no longer, the property is no longer of value because value property is dropping, we are going to force these individuals to piecemeal this project and sell it out to outside developers. So, brothers and sisters, get this clear, please. It will be developed. The Federal government, the Constitution of the United States of America guarantees that all of you and Mr. Dowling, owners of land have the right to develop that land to its fullest and most beneficial potential, which mean it's going to be done. Archeological sites. I heard Na Kupuna, Kimokeo, and Uncle Eddie Lindsey, three groups that I hold very dear to my heart, and I do know that Everett Dowling has gone over and beyond with the projects that is there now in taking care of archeological sites. And I know with Na Kupuna, Kimokeo and Uncle Eddie Lindsey by his side, he will take more than good care of the archeological sites. The water, I do know as a broker that there are 12 wells out there --
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MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MS. SOUZA-AMARAL: --and I know that he is wanting to put in a desalinization plant. Gated communities. Gated communities today are put there because crimes, and it happens in my community and yours. Beaches, the beaches will not be developed, they are developing mauka. In closing, in closing, my friends, Mike, Danny, Michelle, Gladys, Jo Anne, Bill, Riki, Joe, and my dear, dear cousin Mr. Victorino, I humbly ask you for your consideration in passing this sustainable community plan out of this Committee and back to the full Council. And there, my brothers and sisters, public review and testimony can continue. But tonight at least I ask you, move this out of your Committee, at least put it through the full Council.
MS. NAKATA: Four minutes.
MS. SOUZA-AMARAL: And I say this humbly, and I thank all of you for, for being here. Mahalo.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Ms. Amaral. Members, any questions for the testifier? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony. We have Hannah Bernard followed by Everett Dowling.
MS. BERNARD: Aloha kakou. You folks are my heroes. Thank you so much for hanging out tonight and for all of you in the audience, look at this, I mean this is phenomenal. It's 7:30 at night, weeknight, we all gotta work again tomorrow. Mahalo for caring enough to be here and showing us the respect, your community, to be here tonight. And for all of you who testified for the first time, mahalo for caring enough to show up. I am testifying on behalf of Hawaii Wildlife Fund against this development and any large development past Pu'u Olai going towards the Ahihi-Kinau NAR. I'm against developing a large scale development because the water resources of Maui, the nearshore resources, the nesting habitat for the critically endangered Hawksbill Sea Turtle, the 'ea, the honu' ea, and the natural reserve at Ahihi-Kinau would all be compromised if this development or any major development is approved south of Pu'u Olai. In fact, current and proposed development in this area have been identified and the top five threats to this NAR, to this natural area reserve. This natural area reserve that was established in 1973 partly because of proposed development to this area back then because it is so unique and special, it is the only one in the State that has both land and oceanic components. It also allows for culturally-based subsistence level take by the lineal descendents of this ahupua' a from the nearshore environment. Therefore, this NAR in particular is rooted in the balance of the host culture and the natural perpetuation of this native ecosystem. This NAR will be threatened by any development major this size past Pu'u Olai. I have three pages of testimony that I've submitted already via email, so you have copies, I take it. Plus, I have Department of Land and Natural Resources' handout that shows the correlation with injection wells and the algae blooms, and the degradation and destruction of our reefs on Maui just because of us, just because. . .only because of us. It's, it's just something that we can do something about, though. Our injection wells are leaking into our nearshore environment. We can't have any more injection wells. We can't have necessarily desalination plants. We need to examine this very closely because of the 42 A USE COMMI EE MI U ES C n l f th C nt f M
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brine that will be produced. And although I'm very supportive of the developer proposing an alternative to using Iao Valley water or tapping this aquifer, which is good, good that he's trying to do something different, desal has its own whole suite of potential problems that need to be evaluated. We can't just approve it. We must really evaluate it. But there's no water that should be permitted to flow in that desert, that arid environment, that a' a lava, that place that the ancient Hawaiians lived in without altering. That's why it's a NAR, a natural area reserve, because of the cultural, archeological, geological, and natural components of that place.
MS. NAKATA: Three minutes.
MS. BERNARD: And, as I said, it was identified through a strategic planning process by the managers of that area and a number of community members. One of the top four threats is development to that place. So, I have a lot of background information about why. I'd like to just offer for 30 seconds of any questions about the, the nesting habitat. I know you heard about the, the honu, the green sea turtles, they're doing great, yes. It's the Hawksbill that nests on, on Oneloa, on Big Beach. That species is critically endangered. If you have any questions about those resources in that area that are so precious that they're being held in trust for future generations, that will change, they'll be totally impacted and changed if we develop that area. If you have questions, I'd just like to save 30 seconds of my testimony for any questions about that. Mahalo.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Hannah. Committee Members, any questions for Ms. Bernard? Seeing none, thank you. And we appreciate your expertise on nesting habits on turtles as well. Thank you. Okay, Members. Thank you for your testimony.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
CHAIR MOLINA: We have Everett Dowling, and he's the last person to have signed up for testimony this evening. Mr. Dowling.
MR. DOWLING: Chair Molina and Council Members, thank you for, and public, thank you for hanging in here so long and working, working so late. The. . .I just wanted to clarify a few things that were said today, because I don't want people leaving here with the wrong impression. There was some statements made today that were incorrect and I want to, want to highlight those statements. One testifier mentioned that we were going to be building on Big Beach. As most of us know in this room, Big Beach is a State park. Big Beach is not Makena Resort's property. Makena Resort doesn't own any property adjacent or contiguous to Big Beach. Our closest property to Big Beach is across Makena Alanui Road. So there are, we have no condos planned for Big Beach and it would be impossible for anyone else to have condos planned for Big Beach. There was a comment made that we bulldozed a fishing shrine at Maluaka site. That fishing shrine is there. We did not bulldoze the fishing shrine. I've heard on the radio, I've read in the newspaper, and I've heard people say here that we're building a shopping mall in Makena. Seibu as owners, the prior owners of Makena had no plans for a shopping mall, they had no plans for a shopping center. We've never even considered a shopping mall or shopping center, it'd be the last thing we'd want to do. So that's just, that's just factually incorrect. I heard that there
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r pl n th t r n t b ld, b ld n nd h t l n M n . h pr r n r h d n pl n f r nd h t l n M n , h v n pl n f r nd h t l n M n . h t j t f t ll n rr t. h , th r t n th t th pr j t b n f t tr d. h pr j t h b n b f r th C nt C n l f r n n r . S f th f t tr d, I d h t t l tr d.
AU IE CE: . . . (chuckle).. .
M . OW I G: h , th r t n th t h v pr j t th t r n t nd r n tr t n n. Ev r n l n f r pr j t , r th r nd r n tr t n n r r t n f r p r t fr th C nt f M . W d n t h v n pr j t th t f ll t d f th t r . W r th r nd r n tr t n r r t n f r th C nt t v p r t . And , nd f th pr j t v b n t n f r th C nt t v p r t f r l t t r , b ld n p r t h t I r f rr n t . h , th r t t nt th t l d M n nd n . W d d n t l M n nd n . M n nd n , nt n t, r h p r p th r tr l n, r l nd p r d th l nd p n , nt n th p r n l t, nt n th r t . Wh t d d t p r l t v t fr M n nd n . h . . . t p n t th p bl , t p n t v t r . t p pl n t nt r pr p rt th t nt n, th t t d f b d , f r l p r t r, n f th r l nt t h rt nd r n th r b n n r pr p rt . h . . .th r t n th t r n t b d n t I d n t th n th t ll h r , I th n th , th n t d th t r n t nv rt th r n t l t t h r . h , I d n t l t h r , r pr h b t n t h r . h . . .th r t n th t, n d th t r n ff, t r r nn n ff r pr p rt r fr M n nd n th t nd r n tr t n nt th n. h t pr p rt nd r n tr t n r fr M n nd n n t r pr p rt . h . . .I d n t n f r f t th t
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M . OW I G: t r r nn n ff th t pr p rt r n t, b t t n t r pr p rt , t n t r n tr t n. W h v n th n t d th th t pr p rt . h . . .th r t n th t br ht n l t f f ll t M l . M l n t xp rt t . W d d n t br n n f ll nt M l . h nd f M l xp rt d dn t l v M n , b d dn t nt th tr t r t b n d n M n Al n r W l Al n . W pt t n M n nd th t th b n f t f n n ,800 r , n l d rt. h . . . nd l tl , I h r th , r pr p r d t pt th 4 nd t n . W r n t h n n n f th nd t n . h r t th t ppr v th t ll , th n l t r l lr d ppr v d. It p d b pr r, pr r C tt nd r , r pr p r d t n t. h r b n t n th t v b n tt n n t f r r . W b ht th pr p rt 6 nth . ft n nth , n d n l t r l r nt. S I, I ppr t r h rd r t d . I ppr t th p bl t t n n b th d .
MS. AKA A: r n t .
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MR. DOWLING: Thank you very much.
CHAIR MOLINA: Thank you, Mr. Dowling.
AUDIENCE: . . .(applause). . .
CHAIR MOLINA: Committee Members, questions for Mr. Dowling? Hang on. Member Anderson?
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Thank you, Mr. Dowling, for clearing those things up. If you could clear up one other thing.
MR. DOWLING: Okay.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: . . .(cleared throat).. Excuse me. There was a comment made that you intend to tear down the Maui Prince Hotel.
MR. DOWLING: That's correct.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Oh, it is correct?
MR. DOWLING: Yes. We'll be, we'll be --
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Are, are you--
MR. DOWLING: --tearing that--
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Wait. Wait. Just let me, you know, extend on that.
MR. DOWLING: Let me, let me finish your question.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Yeah.
MR. DOWLING: The. . .we will be tearing the Makena Prince down. We won't be tearing it down for, for several years. We won't be tearing it down until we get other operations built within Makena to absorb those employees. So in other words, Maluaka has a beach club for the owners. We'll build that. We'll be shifting housekeeping, we'll be shifting food and beverage, we'll be shifting outdoor services to that facility. When Maluaka is built, we will shift some landscapers from the Prince Hotel to that facility. When we do the new golf course clubhouse, we'll be shifting food and beverage people from the hotel to that facility. And as we develop these projects out we can shift the employees away from the Prince Hotel to those projects, and that's why we're delaying tearing down the hotel now. The hotel is not competitive. We're competing with, with newer hotels, we're competing with hotels that have been renovated, and we just, we can't compete.
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : And th n I l h rd th t th r , n th pr nt t n b r n lt nt th t v n th h h v n th r h t l t , ll n t b b ld n n th r h t l. S t n t h n t r d n th M r n , d nt nd t b ld n h t l n th t t , h t l p r l th t r h t nt ?
M . OW I G: . Wh n , h n th r n d l h d, ll b , ll r b ld r nt l, h, tr n nt r nt l d t n n th t pr p rt . h th r h t l t , p r l 2, th n t pl n n th t pr p rt t l. O r nt nt n t d v l p th t pr p rt nd ll b , ll b p tt n f rth pr p l t f r n SMA n th t pr p rt pr b bl n xt r, rl n xt r. h t pl nn d f r 4, 4 nd n .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : S th r ll b n h t l t ll l ft?
M . OW I G: And, f r , b h p r n . , b t n rd r t , n rd r t d v l p th r r ht, r n t n t b d v l p n h t l. h t rr t. h , th . . . n rd r t d v l p, n rd r t t n SMA p r t h v , th z n n nd n t pl n h t b th . All th r z n n d n th t b n n n f r r , t b t br n n th l nd n M n n nf r n th th x t n n t pl n.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : ht. I nd r t nd th t.
M . OW I G: S th x t n n t pl n t l. h t h r n t l z n n n th t t , v n th h r n t pl nn n n b ld n h t l.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : t th t l z n n ll t p t tr n nt n t th r ?
M . OW I G: Wh h r n t
COU CI MEM E A E SO : Or tr n nt nd n t r h t v r nt.
M . OW I G: W ld b t r n t, n th t pr p rt r n t.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : On h h pr p rt ?
M . OW I G: On th pr p rt th t r r z n n t t l.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : h 2?
M . OW I G: 2. W r n t p tt n tr n nt r nt l n th r . W r n t p tt n t h r n th r , r p tt n nd n n th r .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : C nd n
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : th t, th t ld b bl t b
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : O .
M . OW I G h nl pl nt tr n nt r nt l , n t t h r , th nl pl nt v t r t b bl t t th n M n th x t n M n r n t l pr p rt .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : O .
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : ht.
M . OW I G: h v n th CC& pr h b t t h r , pr h b t h rt t r r nt l. h n r f th pr p rt n t r nt th t.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : ht. O . S n r h t l n M n .
M . OW I G: . . h t n t h t I d. I d r n t b d l h n th x t n r n t l nd r d v l p n t nd th t h r th tr n nt v t n, I n th t h r th h t l ll b .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : W ll, d th r n t b nd . h t n t th h t l.
M . OW I G: . 2 n t b nd . O . 2 n t b nd , 4 nd n .
COU CI MEM E A E SO : And d h r th S b h t l r n t t r th t d n
M . OW I G: W r n t t r th t d n.
COU CI MEM E A E SO : nd nd th t r tr n nt.
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COU CI MEM E A E SO : Oh. And h t l?
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MR. DOWLING: Right.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: You didn't say that.
MR. DOWLING: --where you can rent it there, that's the only property--
CHAIR MOLINA: Excuse me, Mr., Mr. Dowling and Member Anderson, I'll tell you what. Let's continue this conversation tomorrow so we can add, you know, more clarity for everybody.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Yeah.
CHAIR MOLINA: I think some good points are being brought up.
MR. DOWLING: Okay.
CHAIR MOLINA: Do you have any other questions, Member Anderson?
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: No. I'm just glad that --
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: --he had the opportunity to clear this up for us because--
MR. DOWLING: Thanks for asking the question. I appreciate it.
COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON: Yeah. I think it's helpful going in to know as much as we . . .(change tape, start 8B). . . tomorrow.
CHAIR MOLINA: It, it's late.
COUNCILMEMBER VICTORINO: Mr. Chair'?
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Mr. Victorino?
COUNCILMEMBER VICTORINO: I know it's late and, but I just want a few more clarification, few more points clarified so that everybody walks out of here at least in one mindset. There have been a couple of testifiers, Mr. Dowling, that has stated their concern with injection wells, Hannah Bernard and someone else earlier that, that injection wells was part of this project. But if I'm correct in remembering how this project is being presented, all your wastewater will be used for the golf course, landscaping, et cetera, et cetera? Is that correct?
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M . OW I G: h t, th t b l t l rr t nd th t h t h pp n . ht n v t n x t n , v t, v t th t dv n d t t r tr t nt pl nt n th l nd f M .
COU CI MEM E IC O I O: O .
M . OW I G: h . . . t v r ll f r, f r r, f r r f t. h . . . v rt d nd ll n r . A , d v l p pr p rt th r ll b r t t r, th r ll b r ffl nt. A n th r r ffl nt, ll l n r d nd t th x t n br h ll . W h v n nj t n ll n nd ll n v r b nj t n ffl nt. M n rn, n r f M n , v t , 00 f t f b h, v t ,800 r nd , 00 f t f b h, nd v r th n th t h pp n n S th M nd p, v n th rr nt , nd p r ht n fr nt f M n .
COU CI MEM E IC O I O: ht.
M . OW I G: And th t h M n rt p n f r th p p t t n t th K h t l n h. r ht n h n th b t n, n , l l t f h n r th b p n , f th th r h d n th b n, th d p th r h d. . .th . . . nd, nd ll th t r p nd p r ht n fr nt f th M n t l.
COU CI MEM E IC O I O: Wh h I th n br ht p b pl th r t t f r . And th n f r th t l r f t n. h n xt th n I nt d t l r f nd I rr , Mr. Ch r, I n v r b d t r d, b t I r ll nt t t th t, n . h r . . . n t t f r d, nd th Mr. M h l I x tl h h d th t d r d th t r n t n t r n t n t l v th th t nd t n th t h d th t n tr t n r d b lt n th b p r ll l th l n . I th n th t h t h h d d. And I p l z f I n rr t. t n h , n tr t n r d th t l t f n tr t n tr ff ld n t tr v l n Al n nd M n d. I , r d n th th t nd t n r r n t p th t nd t n?
M . OW I G: W ll pt ll f th nd t n fr th 2004 n l t r l r nt. I d nt t l r f t n n th t n , th h
COU CI MEM E IC O I O: Y .
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construction traffic off of Makena Alanui, we, we will certainly do that. In terms of not bringing in import and not exporting our dirt such as Maluaka, we'll certainly do that. And, and that's the way we've conducted ourselves in Maluaka.
COUNCILMEMBER VICTORINO: Okay. And then the last thing I want clarification on--and thank you, Mr. Chair, for allowing me this, this opportunity--was the, the statement that was made earlier, and the reason I want to get this clarified is the homeless resource center for which you had made a donation to, for which I'm a board member, for which I tried to recuse myself from, from voting on, which I have no fmancial gain, never had, never will because I love doing, helping people. But the reason that we were holding back on announcing it was twofold. One, it hadn't been finalized and you did not want that out there until it was finalized. But, two, wasn't it a condition for some of your affordable housing requirements?
MR. DOWLING: That's, that's correct. As a, before the Workforce Housing Bill was passed.. .
COUNCILMEMBER VICTORINO: Uh-huh.
MR. DOWLING: . . .our support of that project was negotiated with the County's Human Services, Department of Housing and Human Affairs [sic]. And we made a, I think it was a $720,000, I could, I could be off on that number, but I believe it was $720,000 donation to that non-profit for the purpose of building, helping to build a homeless center.
COUNCILMEMBER VICTORINO: Okay. Thank you for that clarification. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I do apologize to my colleagues for taking up some time like this so late.
CHAIR MOLINA: No apologies necessary, Mr. Victorino. Committee Secretary, do we have any additional signups, or any additional questions for Mr. Dowling before I excuse him'? If not, thank you for your testimony, Mr. Dowling.
AUDIENCE: . . . (applause).. .
MS. FRIAS: No, Mr. Chair.
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Okay, Members, we have no additional signups and seeing no one approaching the bench for testimony, if there are no objections, the Chair will close public testimony on Land Use Item 37.
COUNCIL MEMBERS: No objections.
. . .END OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY.. .
CHAIR MOLINA: Okay. Members, it is 7:45, Wednesday, November 19 th. The Chair is looking at recessing this meeting until tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m., 10:00 a.m., Members?
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