Friday, 7th March 1958

LOK SABHA DEBATES

SECOND SERIES

VOLUME XII, 1958.

(24th February to 10th March, 1958)

FOURTH SESSION, 1958

(Vol. XII contains Nos. II to 20)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI CONTENTS [Second Series, Volwne XII-24th February to 10th Mur• h, 1c.1~!!. I C.otUMHI No. u-2.41h Fl.bruary, 19s8.

Death of Maulana A7ad, Shri B. Dae; anL\ Slm V. M. Ob1udulblh .2091-2106

Daily Digest a . . 210"-08 No. t2'-Tutsdoy, 25rh Ftbrttary, 1958.

Oral Answers to Questions-- Starred Quec;tions NC1s. 449 tu 4~2. 454, 4~ti to 4-:9, 4l1t to 465 and 4f7 2109-44 Written An11wers to Quc1tllon~ Starred Que111t1on!I Nos. 4o6 to 448, 453, 4S5· 46o, 466, 468 10 491 • . 2144-tl:.t Unstarrtd Qu~rn.1ns Noc, 4~2 to 596 .2182-2255 Death of ~hr1 S. K. BMncnca 225s Motions for Adj1e1urnment- 1. F..xploc.um of ammumtwn at P.ttJ.anJ..01 ra1h\11\ 1,1dml!; nnd · 22SS-57 :. Death ()f and iniur~ 1(1 .um\ per'<•nr.d dtiru I? fmr~ 1r •• 11rJ? nt An l :lln . 2257-59 Papers laid on the Table . 2259-63 Messages from RaJya Sabha . 226l-64 Ancient Monumcnttt and Archaeolog1cal ~lie' ~.nd Rcmamc; H11J-I..a1d c1n th( 1uhl~ as p.ti.c,ed by Raha Sabha 2264 Perniontt re: Rcprei.entat1on of the Prorlc A1.t ard Indian Pc1'lt Office Rule' 2264 Demands for Supplc.mcntar} Cmmt' (R1ulV1al' 19c;.,.5S 2264 Prohation of Offenders B1ll-Rcpor1 (if Joml Committee prc\entrd 2264 Calling Attention to Matter ot Lrgenl Public Import.ince- Reservation of scah for ~chedulcd Ca<1tc1i • 2264-66 Correction of An11\\er lo St.trrcd Questic1n No. 205 2266 Statement re: Ac.-c1dent!. m Colhcnc' ne .. r A\.tm11J • 226--73

B1lls ll'ltroduced- J, Control of Shipping

Merchant Shippin1 Bill- Mouon to refer ro Joint Commntee 227~-96, 2296--2367 Businel1 of the House . 22t6 Statement re : Bxploaton at Pathankot 2267-72 ll

ButJne• Adv!aory Committee-- Nineteenth Report 2311 Daily Digest • 2373-tCS No. 13-Wldnud't).', 26ih February, 1958. Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Question.~ Noa. 492 to 496, 498, sex> to 502, S04 to 508, 511 to 513 and 515 to sao • 2387-a43z Written Answen to Qucstiona- Starrcd Questions Nos. 497, 499, 503, 509, 510, 514, s21 to S29 Unstirred Questions Nos. 597 to 627, 628 to 655 and 657 to 667

Motion for Adjournment- Polic:e firing on employees of H.L.A. Papers laid on the Table Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions-- Fifteenth Report 2477 Statement re :- Srrike by arudents of Delhi Polytechnic Business Advisory Committec- Nineteenth Report 2478 Appropriation Bill Passed 2479 Railway Budget-General Discussion .2479-2598 Statement r1 : Railway Accident at Sonapur Station .2598-26oo Daily Digest • 26o1-<16 No. 14-Tlltmday, 27th February, 1958. Oral Answers to Questions- Starrcd Questions Nes. 530 to 536. 538 to 542, 544, 548, 550. 552, SS3 and 556 • 26<>7-44 Written Answers to Qucsti<'ns- Starred Questions Nos. 537, 543, S4S to S47 549, ss1, SS4• SSS and SS7 to 569 • 2644-SS Unstarred Questions Nos. 668 to 704 and 766 to 71 J • 2655-83 Motion for Adjournmcnt- Fast by Shrimati Sudha Joshi in Goan Jail Papers Laid on the Table Statement re: Explosions at Parhanlcot Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittmg11 of the House-- Fifth Report Election to Committec- Bmployees• State Insurance Corporation 2'9o-91 Railway Budget-General Discussion .a691-2824 Statement re : Accident at the Army Firing range at Ambala • 3834-26 Daily Digest • aBz6-32

No. 15-Frlday, 281h February, 1958. Oral Answers to Questions-- Starred Questiom Nos. 570 to 581, 583 to 585 and S87 to 589 • Written Answers to Questions-- Starred Queations Nos. 58:.1 and 586 • Uaatarred Questions Nos. 7u to 766 ili

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Piper laid on the Table 2912 J,.nve of Abence 2912-13 Businea of the Houae • 2913 RaUway Budpt--General Discussion • 2914 65 Committee on Private Manben" Bills and Resolutions- Fifteenth Report Rnolution r1: c.ommi11ion to lnqulre into indiscipline amon1 studentt-COr.cluded 2966-3007 Presentation of General Budget 3007-33 Pinlnce Bill-Introduced 3033-34 Gift-Ta Bill-Introduced 3034 B1tatc Dut7 (Amendment) Bill-Introduced 3034 Daily Disest 303, -4'

No. 16-Monday, 3rd Mach, 1958. Oral Answers to Questions-- Starred Questions Nos. 611, 612, 614, 616 to 630, 632 to 634 . Wriuen Answcn to Qucttions- Starred Questions Nos. 61s, 631, 63s to 6ss Unstarred Questions N<>s. 767 to 820 • Death of Shri Durga Charan Banerjee 3u9 Papen laid on the Table 3II9 Meuaacs from Rajya Sabha . 3120-21 Callina Attention to Mauer of Urgent Public lmportancc- Talb heJd wirh Dr. Graham 3122-23 Correction of Answer to Supplementaries to Starred Question No. 219 31.22-24 Rice Milling Industry (Regulation) Bill-lntrOduced 3124 Railway Budget-General Discussion . 3124t-3209 Demands for Supplementary Grants (Railways), r9s7-58 3209-40 Daily Digest . 3241-46

No. 17-Tuesday. 41/r March, 1958.

Oral Answers to Qucstions- Starred Questions Nos. 656 to 66o and 662 to 669 Written Answcn to Questions-- Starred Questions Nos. 661 and 670 to 703 327S-g7 Unstarred Questions Nos. 821 to 893 . . 3298-3336 Point of Information 3336 Papers laid on the Table 3~36-37 Election to Committee . 3337-38 Demands for Supplementary Grants-Railways. l9S7·S8 3.338-93 Demands for Grants-Railways, 1958-59 ·3393-350.f Daily Di1e1t . 3505-10

No. 18-Friday. 1th Morels, 1958. Onl Answers to Questions- Sunecl Questions Nos. 7oS· 707 to 709, 712, 714, 715. 717, 718, 721, 7a3, 725, 728 to 731, 734 to 738 · 35 l I-47 ·~w ..i

\t'titten Answcn to Question..... Starred Quesdona Nos. 704, 7o6, 710, 7n, 713, 716, 7lilt7IO, .,aa, 7a.t.1a4. 727, 732, 733, 739 ro 7'3 . . • . . • . • • l.$47~ Unstarrcd Questions Nos. 894 to 998 . • 316j-36J2 Appropriation (Railways) Bill, 19s8-Tntrod~d 36.13 · Demands for Grants-Railways ,eal-17 Bills Introduced- ( I) The Code of Criminal Procedure (Amtndmcnt) Bill 1958 (Amendment of acc:tione 34a and 562) by Shri Ra1hubir Sahai...... 3617 (2) The CoJc of Civil PrOCC'dure (Amendmcnr) Bill. 19.sB (Omission of section 87-B) by Shri M. L. Dwivcdi ...... • • 3617-88 (3) The ManagemenL of Light Railways (Taking over by the State) BUI, 1958, bJ Shri Jhulan Sinha ...... • 374' (4) The Salaries and Allowances of Members of Parliament (Amendment) Bill. 19'1 (Amendment of 'ICCfion 6) by Shri N. Keshava . . . . . 37'47·41 Indian Penal Code (Amc.1dme111) Bill Insertion of New Secrion l2o4-B)- Morion to Consider . • 3618-3701 Indian Penal Code (Amcmdmcnt) Bill (Amendment of section 304-A)- Mot1on to consider . 3701-10 Indian Arms (Amendment) Bill (Amendment of Section 4)- Motil>ll to consider-NcgatiH~d . 3711-32 C.ldc of Cr1mtn:il Proccdul'C' \AtnenJmcnt) Bill (Amendment of 11«c:tions ,61-A and 517)- Motwn tu cons1dcr-Negatl\'eJ 373J-'4Z Indian Penal Code (Amt·nJmenr) Bill (Omission of section 4¥?)- Motion to coni.idcr . 3743-46 Dally Digest 3749-'4 No. 19-Sa1u1·day, 8th March 1958. Oral Answers to Quei.tmni.- Starrcd Questions Nos. 754 ll' 7'!t7· 759, 761 to 764, 766. 767, 771, 77~. 714 to 776, 778 to 7!43 and 7867-88 37SS-9t Written Answert. to QuC'lLion~ Starred Question~ Nos. 758, 76o. 765. 76H to 770, 773, 7i7• 784 :anJ 7~S . • 3791-96 Un!ltarreJ Que!>tioni. No&. 999 lo 1065 . • 3796--3136 Papt-r~ laid on the Table ~8~7-3ti Calling Ancnuon h> Mauer of Urg~n• Puhhc Importance- .Raid by Pak1-.1a.ni n.uional., J839-4I Busincsi. of the Houi.c 31-41 Appropriauon (Rall"ay.,) H1U-Pas'icJ 3842 Demands for Grant~ on Account . 3842--69 Demands for Grants-R.ailway'l- Demand No. 1 Demands Nos . .2 rol18 .aml .20 • Daily Digest

No. 20-MorJday, 101/a Mar,h, 195K. Oral Answers to Qucstions- Starrcd Ques1ion11 Nl>ll. 790 to 793, 795. 797. 8o1. lk>3, 804, 8o6. l10 to 813 IDQ 8JS . Short Notice Question Nll, 4 Written Answcra to Questions-- Starred Questions Nos. 789, 794. 796, 798 to Boo. 802. 8o5, lo? to 1o9, 814, 816 to 836 ' ' ' • ' ' ' • • • O I 4047--66 Un1tarrcd QUestioo1 Nos. 1066 to 2o83 and 1085 to 1126 • 4066-410.z 'V

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Plpcn laid on the Table 4102 .Apprc>priation (Vote on A<:eount) Bill-Introduced 4102•03 J)emlnd1 for Gnnta-RaiJways 4103-54 Coatral of Shipping (Continuance) Bill- Motion to Consider 4154-KK Qauaea 2 and I 4181-83 Motion to Pass . 4183 Indian Post Ofticc (Amendment) Bill as Patti.cd by Ra1y1 Sabh.a- Motion to alnsider (a" passed by Rajya ~abha) 41H8-4238 Clauses 1 to 4 • 4218 Motion to Pass . 4238 Buline11 Advisory Cornm1ttcc- Twentieth Rcimrt Daily Di1cst

N. B.-Thc sign above a name of a Member on Quc'ltmnr.. wtuch \\ere oralh ~m\\creJ, indkates that the Quc11llon wa\ actuatl) a!>kcd on lhc ftnor of the Hou.,c b) that Mcmher. t O R SABH A D EBATES Dsfe-d M k S f - . V U S

35H 35« LOK SABHA Shri S K. Patil: So far as rural electrification k concerned, I think Friday, 7th March, 1958 Madras seems to be quite ahead of the other States They have done quite a lot of electrification So far as the The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of money which they have spent out of the Clock this is concerned, m 1954-55 there was an allotment of Rs 64 lakhs, m 1955- [Mr S p e a k e r m the Chan] 56 Rs 1,20,00,000 and m 1956-57 Rs 70 lakh* that means a total amount of Rs 2,54,00,000 m those ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS three years

Rural Electrification in Madras Shri Ramanathan Chettiar: May I know whether the rural electrification *705. Shri Elayaperumal: Will the scheme will be included m the ewe Minister of Irrigation and Power be of the Plan’ pleased to state whether the Union Government have asked the Madras Shri S K. Patil: That is for the Government to prepare and place their other Ministry to answer But the ex­ plan9 for rural electrification for the change question does not come in the current and ensuing years7 way and therefore there is no diffi­ culty So long as the States do not The Minister of Irrigation and fail to utilise the money, they can go Power (Shri S. K Patil): No, Sir ahead Shri Elayaperumal* May I know Transport Policy of States what amount was allotted for this pur­ pose? Shri S. K. Patil: Out of the total 4 allotment of Rs 20 10 crores for all Shrimati Tarkeshwari the States for this scheme, the Sinha: Madras Government’s share was Shri Raghunath Singh: Rs 3,97,00,000 [ Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the Minister of Transport and Shri N. R Munisamy: Is it a fad Communications be pleased to state: that a couple of years back the Gov­ ernment of had formulated a (a) whether it is a fact that the scheme with a view to draw electric State Governments have been recently lines to all the villages which are asked to revise their transport policy; said to be backward areas in Madras and State? (b) if so, the reactions of the State Governments m this matter? Shri 8. K Patil: I have been talk­ ing of this allotment oat of the total The Minister of State in the Minis­ try of Transport and Common!- sum of Ks 26 crores cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) tiferi B. 8. Mnrthy: May I know and (b) A statement giving the in­ how much money has been spent by formation required is laid on tfe* tit* Madtaa State oat at the allotment TaWe of the Lok Sabha [See A#» nude? pendtx IV, annexure No. 46.] 35x3 Oral Awnotn 1 MABCH 1888 Oral A im fr n 35124

Shrimati Tarkestawarl Binha: May I * f t i 'r f w ^ r f t v w w R f know what has been the reaction «f the State Governments in so far as ^ I « they have been asked to form trans­ Shri Khadilkar: As there are diffi­ port corporations in their respective culties experienced by State transport States and which are the States corporations regarding inter-State which have agreed so far to form transport and there was an assurance transport corporations7 given that a commission would be set up to smoothen the passage of inter­ Start Raj Bahadur: Except U P, state transport What steps have Punjab etc two or three States which Government taken regarding that have pointed out certain difficulties in matter7 regard to the formation of such cor­ porations, the rest of the States appear to be prepared to fall m line Shri Baj Bahadurr I think the hon. Member is referring to inier-State Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha: What transport commission, as distinguish­ will be the shape and terms of refer­ ed from intra-State, wtiich means ence of these corporations and how within the State will the financial burden be met7 May I know whether it will be met also by Star! KhadUksr: Yes a percentage of contribution by rail­ ways and if so, what percentage of Shri Baj Bahadur: I think the noti­ contribution wilt come from the rail­ fication m regard to that will be issued ways7 today or tomorrow setting up that particular Commission Start Raj Bahadur: The road trans­ port corporations contemplated will be * 0 m o fW fl 'STFRT constituted according to the Hoad j? fa «Kf ^ HT^nr ^ ^ Transport Corporations Act, 1950 So far as the participation of the Centre % fat tft rrnr *re*nft ^ sn^r or the Railways is concerned in the ?Nr f *W[f> t fa ^ constitution of such undertakings, a provision of Rs 10 crores exists so far Spft 'T'F *Tf»t ^ ^ as Railways are concerned for such •T fa*JT 5TPT < q f? £T 9ft participation. «FT ^TT ^TRVT I ? S W * •ft faff * STFFTT ^ 3TWT fa ^5P’srr^3T5PT VPT TTPT *rr?err $ fa sfor % fa* srrr W %, W WT 5FR0T t ? # w%t fa ^ fa w tf ft I ?r> A 3tfrt w?rr TTSf ^T|T x* ^ g fa ^ro tfro f t w w f fa?ft *rr STPT *7 $ qT ?rft I , w&m ? h t? Mrftm sftr ft # ^ t ’ «ft rm ifn|T sffar n* xfa * fafasr R f w r tT?c srzrrsr # w 51€ v m t *r£ 5 fa fVT ^rr fffwerr fm t t, s s tt ycr stpt ?ft ^ ^ i ?*iTyirare t o t ^rfasr vr firw?r ^ £ fa «pt vr*r h t t ^ranrr ^rr t o t % t f lr # aft f w f t a ¥7 ^ f t ^ ^ ^ ^RT VR’ft^SRT | w tot $ ft 1 1 v ? t m | fa i fa aI^THT «TOT • fw f a t q* n r ft ft g fF W'i 55*5 ° na Answers 7 'MARCH 1958 Oral Answers

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Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member is Mr. Speaker: Shri Elayaperumal. putting a long question; hereafter he should cut it short. Then I have no Shri Elayaperumal: In view of the objection. Shri Kasliwal. fact that the scheduled castes people are unable to get permits under the Shri Kasliwal: From the statement present transport policy, may I know and from what the hon. Minister said if there is any special provision made just now, it appears that these loans for scheduled castes people in the and grants will not be available to transport policy in any State in India? State Governments if they have road Shri Raj Bahadur: So far as I am transport undertakings managed de- aware, no such reservation is made partmentally unless they were incor­ for scheduled castes. porated under one or other of the special enactments or as a company Shri Elayaperumal: I am not talk­ under the Indian Companies Act. May ing of reservation I want to know if I know why this view was taken by any special consideration has been the hon. Minister? given by the State Governments or if the Central Government is in a posi­ Shri Raj Bahadur: Obviously tion to direct the State Governments because if they are allowed to func­ to give some special consideration for tion departmentally, the Central the scheduled castes? Government loses its revenue that accrues to it by way of income-tax. Mr. Speaker: What is the considera­ Unless and until they constitute them­ tion that he wants? selves as companies or as corpora­ Shri Elayaperumal: Special con­ tions, we do not get o :r revenues sideration to get transport permits. from income-tax. Secondly, it is desirable that such undertakings Shri Raj Bahadur: I do not think should be run on the basis of corpo­ any such special consideration Is con­ rations or companies so that they templated on behalf of the regional may be run on business principles. transport authorities.

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«WFrai, aprj* tfk $ w n j; Shri D. C. Sharma: I have got only three pages; you perhaps have four. w f l w r i Shri Karmarkar: I could not follow. Water Supply and Sewage Disposal in What is the sub-section in the state­ Delhi ment to which the hon. Member to referring? *709. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Minister of Health be pleased to refer Shri D. C. Sharma: To the third to the reply given to Starred Question sub-section of the statement called No. 881 on 6th December, 1957 and Part B. state: Shri Karmarkar: Yes, that is the (a) the number of schemes for im­ Okhla sewage treatment plant. That proving Delhi’s water supply and is now on, Sir, and the construction of sewage disposal which have been all these plants is well on way and all finalised; and the plants will be completed by 1959. (b) the nature thereof? If the hon. Member is so interested —because it is important—I am pre­ The Minister of Health (Shri pared to send him another note, or Karmarkar): (a) and (b). A state­ place it on the Table of the House, as ment is laid on the Table of the Lok to what is the progress and when they Sabha fSee Appendix IV, annexure are completed. No. 47.] Dr. Sushila Nayar: Is it a fact that Shri D. C. Sharma: In para (ii) of the Okhla Water Works have been Part A of the statement it has been condemned by the Health authorities said that efforts will be made to in­ due to the fact that the intake is crease the water supply from 60 to below the entry of the sewage and, 90 million gallons per day May I if so, what proposal has the Govern­ know what steps have been taken to ment to replace the water supply implement the scheme? which is at present supplied by this Shri Karmarkar: With regard to pumping station? that, it consists of construction of new Shri Karmarkar: I could not vouch intake and expansion at Wazirabad for the latest position, but some time pumping station and other measures. back the facts as mentioned by my The works have already commenced hon colleague were correct and for and are expected to be completed by some time the water was stopped just 1959 at the time when the sullage mixed Shri D. C. Sharma: It has been said up with the water; at that time the in para (iii) of Part B of the state­ pumping was stopped. I am unable ment that the scheme, when complet­ to say that at that time the water was ed, would stop all overflows of sewage not pure: it was heavily chlorinated which now flows into the river in order to prevent any deleterious Jamuna. May I know how long this effect. But I am not happy about it scheme will take for its completion? till the whole thing is corrected. The Okhla water supply is not satisfactory, Shri Karmarkar: Is the hon. Mem­ but it is not dangerous for health ber referring to sewage disposal because it is chlorinated and other schemes or to the trunk sewer from steps are taken. Delhi Gate to Ring Road? Shri Damani: What action is being Shri D. C. Sharma: I am referring taken to supply water to the Najaf- to para (iii) of Part B. garh industrial area and what mote time will it take? Shri Karmarkar: That is increasing the capacity of the service reservoirs Shri Karmarkar: I think that alip and mains, at page 4 of the statement will be complete by the end of 1958. 3521 Oral Answers 7 MARCH 1858 Oral Answers

Shri Daman!: May I know if for impurifled by nullahs and the like and the last two years the idea about the purified afterwards. The supply Is reservoir has been there and, if so, purified. what is the reason for this delay? Mr. Speaker: She is a doctor her­ Shri Karmarkar: What is being self and was there as part of the limb done with regard to the Najafgarh of the other Government. And she road is that a main is being construct­ wants to know whether there is a ed—unless the main is there, the proposal to stop the sullage water reservoir is not useful—and that work from flowing there. will be completed by 1959. Shri Karmarkar: There is a proposal Shri Pattabhi Raman: Is anything to have a trunk sewer from Delhi being done to insoiate the water main Gate (Mathura Road) to Ring Road, from the sewage system’ which is 34,000 ft. in length, and it Shri Karmarkar: That is the will be laid on from Delhi Gate arrangement which is thought of, and (Mathura Road) to Ring Road. On its that is what is under the plan, so that way it will intercept all the overflows pure and protected water will be of sewage from the existing sewers available for about the twenty lakhs now flowing into the river, and this of the existing population. work is expected to be completed by the end of 1959. Dr. Sushtla Nayar: The hon. Minis­ ter has stated that the water from Mr. Speaker: Ultimately will it Okhla works is being chlorinated and discharge into the Jamuna? therefore it is safe In view of the Shri Karmarkar: It will be diverted. fact that considerable amount of sewage is introduced into the Jumna Road Bridge Over Jamuna above the Okhla water supply intake, *712. Shri Raghunath Singh: Will does the hon. Minister think that that the Minister of Transport and Com­ water can ever be safe with the chlorination and, if not, is the Govern­ munications be pleased to state: ment formulating any schemes to close (a) whether it is a fact that a new down the Okhla works and have an Road Bridge over Jamuna will be alterantive water supply in which the built in Delhi; and intake of water is clean? (b) if so, what is the probable site Shri Karmarkar: I did not say that of new bridge? I was satisfied: I said in fact that I am unhappy, that the state of things The Minister of State in the Minis­ is not completely satisfactory and, try of Transport and Communi­ therefore, as the best under the cir­ cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) cumstances we are trying chlorination and (b). Yes, Sir. Actually, two —and over-chlorination sometimes—to new road bridges are proposed to be prevent the impurities from affecting constructed. One is proposed to be the population. In fact, as I said, constructed almost east of the when all these measures are taken, Humayun’s Tomb but the exact site that water also will be a protected has not yet been selected as certain water supply. experiments on hydraulic aspects are still going on. The other bridge is Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member proposed to be combined with the pro­ wants to know whether there is a posal to construct a weir over the proposal to stop away all the sewage Jamuna at Wazirabad. flowing into the Jumna. Shri Rafunath Singh: May Z know Shri Karmarkar: Not stopping, but when the work will start? purifying. I wish hon. Members appreciate the feet that all the water Shri Baj Bahadur: It is to be com­ *hi* comes in to Delhi from Okhla is pleted in the second Plan period. 35*3 Oral A nsw ers 7 MARCH I9S8 Oral Answers

■ft *T<» m o % $ft : «mr v t g * f f Export of Sugar % st»% «hrvfhr qfarcT * q <»i < # *714. Shri Bishwanath Roy: Will *tf vttf ^ %, irft ff ?ft w ? the Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state: « f t T W W £ T |T : «T5R ^ T q T 3RT (a) whether there is any demand of Indian sugar in U.S.A.; and 'f*T % 5.0 ^fPS" Ti'T^’ *F t T^RT f?ntffcr *pft | i (b) whether any proposal is under consideration for the export of the same to the countries where it has no Wt *To HTo %#sft : ?H t gsff % market as yet? f?W ? The Deputy Minister of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): TT3T V f T | T : qr«p % I (a) No, Sir, we are not aware of any such demand. «ft *o HTo % **t : ?rk 5^ % (b) No, Sir. f a # ? Shri Bishwanath Roy: May I know, in view of the reply given by the hon. TP3T ^ 'HW Minister just now, whether there is \ s w a ^ | 3fT t * F any chance of increase in the export *rm: % f*PT £ i of sugar this year? Shri A. M. Thomas: The position Mr. Speaker: Sometimes questions has been explained in answer to are put standing and sometimes, ques­ questions on previous occasions. We tions are put sitting! have been able to export about 1,54,000 tons of sugar. That was possi­ Shri M. L. Dwivedl: He did not ble mainly due to the Suez crisis reply in full. I asked for information when the conditions were favourable regarding the two bridges. He gave to our exports. Now, the question is information on only one bridge. The whether we are in a position to incur Minister should be asked to give us a loss of about £18 to 20 per ton for complete answers. exporting sugar, as subsidy. Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha: May I Mr. Speaker: The Members also know whether the expert committee ought to be told that they ought not that is appointed by the Indian Sugar to put questions sitting. Board Association has submitted its report and, if so, what are their re­ * f t W * 5FT : W T ^ 5T R H^cTT commendations for increasing the ex­ f fa 3ft $5T f^TTT^r | JTT SRT^T port of sugar in view of the fact that the prospects of sugar export are very m TfT f. f ^ %

Shri Ramanatiian Chettlar: What Shrimati T&rkeshwari Sinha: The steps are the Government taking to hon. Minister just now stated that a Increase the export of sugar to foreign loss has to be incurred to the tune countries! in order to earn foreign ex* of about £20 to £28, or so. May I change and what steps are the Gov­ know whether the Government is ernment taking to popularise Indian thinking of creating a pool for sugar sugar in the United States of America? like the cement pool and to fix the price on the basis of a subsidised price Shri A. M. Thomas: The answer to for the exported sugar, and also lor fhe main question itself covers the internal consumption? latter part of this supplementary ques­ tion. One of the members of the Shri A. M. Thomas: I have already Industrial delegation which visited the stated that the proposals are under United States recently made a sugges­ consideration. It will not be quite tion that there is scope for exploring proper to divulge them. the markets for Indian sugar there but according to us, that suggestion is not Posts and Telegraphs Workers. very practical because people in the + United States are used to consume *715 f Shrl Naushir Bharucha: only refined sugar which is not pro­ ' \ Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: duced in India. The United States has also got interest with regard to the Will the Minister of Transport ancf countries which export sugar. As far Communications be pleased to refer to as America is concerned, they are his statement made in Lok Sabha on mainly importing sugar from Cuba, the 18th July, 1957, and state when Mexico, Peru, Philippines and other the Standing Committee for settling countries and the producing interests outstanding disputes between Gov­ have got connection with American ernment and its employees, and the interests also. Board for the welfare of Posts and Telegraphs workers will be formed? Shri Kasttwal: May I know whe­ ther, up to now, the export of sugar The Minister of State in the Minis­ is subsidised? try of Transport and Communi­ Shri A. M. Thomas: I mentioned that cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): The preli­ hitherto? no subsidised sugar has been minaries in connection with the setting exported. up of the Standing Committee for follow up and implementations of the Shri Bishwanath Roy: In view of decisions arrived at the meetings the international competition regard­ between the P. & T Unions and the ing sugar, may I know whether there Government and the Board for the is any proposal under consideration welfare of the P. & T. workers have for decreasing the price rate of sugar been completed. It is expected that lor increasing the export of Indian both the Committee and the Board sugar? will be set up shortly. Shri A. M. Thomas: That is exactly 8hri Nanshir Bharucha: May I know what is under consideration. As I what is meant by “shortly*? have already said, a loss of about £18

« # I f l f T : * flPRfRTT g % (b) Steps are being taken to analyse- Xm samples of water from these springs. T*rrar fa ijf jrrjq ?r*ft fa vper* (sr) «rt sw ?; ^ Weft ^ 3r €t° sfro % qste spsgj $ jtt ^ i TOlOrar ^ T^hrr ^ f t ? | ** * ’t r w wpfwj wft («ft : gto sfto % few emRTW wrarcr ( t ) ^rwfT fa% % 'wt 3 «n?reta *pit | sfa: ^rt prfr wmx 5RT 5TCT 5ft t , TT I « i t t t R P R h r WZW ^ T 5R 5T ^ «TT f a Shri B. S. Murthy: The English w w ^ ^t answer may also be read. 3[T%t • ftTTtt vnr 9V vt STTOTt ^t Mr. Speaker: Ties. ji? I fa fiiHTr *m ^ t j t w ^ ^ %

There isbo evidence to show that Shri S. V. BamamnupL* Has aap T.B. patients are cured by the me of anrvey been made o t the ■*>rn f Irater "—taf<|fa| wfoff w ate» in the various State* to 4aA m l 3529 Oral Answ ers 7 MARCH 1956 Oral Aftlrf&ra 35)0

the curative properties of each one of Railway Freight Structure Enquiry 4hem? Committee + 8hri Karmarkar: Recently, some fShri D. C. Sharma: survey was made by a team of Russian •718. <{ Shri T B. Vlttal Rao: -experts, though it was not an exhaus­ Shrimati Ila Palchondhuri: tive survey. But they did visit some of the places and they have reported Will the Minister of Railways be to us about some of the springs. pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. 1302 on the Shri S. V. Ramaswaml: What are 19th December, 1957 and state: they? (a) whether the examination of the other recommendations of the Railway Shri Karmarkar: Different pharma­ Freight Structure Enquiry Committee ceuticals. I require notice for details. has since been concluded; (b) if so, the nature of the decision * t ptmt : wn A w*r $ arrived at; and •ft? T ta r qwMgfl % 3ft foftt ?ft (c) the steps the Railway Board «wt fwrc ft ^ | M k propose to take in pursuance of the % faFff

Dr. P. S. Deshmufcli: That is the (c) whether these Farms are run- main ground on which areas are ning under loss; and selected. On the basis of the data of the Geological Survey ol India we (d) if so, the amount of losses- have completed so far 168 wells. It during the last three years? is also on the basis of the data and The Deputy Minister of Agriculture the experience gained that we have brought down the number of wells (Shri M. V. Krishnappa): (a) to (d). from 350 to 287. At one time we A list of agricultural farms with their thought that more holes should be location is placed on the Table of the necessary. But, at present we are Sabha. [See Appendix IV, annexuxe working towards the target of 287 No. 48.] wells. The number of experimental centres is indicated therein. The working Bridges on National Highway results of the Suratgarh and the *723. Shrimati Mafida Ahmed: Will Jammu farms are given below:— the Minister of Transport and Com­ Central Mechanised Farm, Jammu munications be pleased to state: 1954-55 Loss of Rs. 4‘31 lakhs (a) whether it is a fact that almost 1955-56 Loss of Rs. 3*90 lakhs all the bridges on the Numaligarh- Dimapur Road (N.H.W 39) from 1956-57 Loss of Rs. 3*89 lakhs. Numaligarh to Barpathar are of timber Central Mechanised Farm, Suratgarh structures and require large sums for their maintenance every year; 1956-57 Profit of Rs. 46,000. These figures are provisional. (b) if so, whether Government have any proposal to make these bridges The remaining agricultural farms permanent; and are research and experimental centres and information regarding profit or (c) if not, the reasons thereof? loss is not readily available. The Minister of State in the Minis­ Pandit D. N. Tiwary: May I know try of Transport and Communications whether any attempt is being made to

have got their own experimental Shri S. K. Patil: I think the work &rm«. In the Rayalaseema, I think, is going on according to the schedule. near Bellory they have a farm where As the hon. Member referred to, the they try drought resistant crops. Andhra Government did come and they wanted a larger grant and I think Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha: As one we have made a larger grant. I can <& the purposes of these farms is also assure the hon. Member and this to supply seeds to the farmers, may I House that no work will suffer because know whether the Government of the grants are not forthcoming. India has given direction to the State •Governments to open multi-purpose seed farms and in that direction, may Tungabhadra Project I know whether it is a fact that the *729. Shri T. Subramanyam: Will •Government of India has asked the the Minister of Irrigation and Power State Governments to take that land be pleased to refer to reply given to compulsorily for these seed farms? Starred Question No. 60 on 12th November, 1957, and state: Shri M. V. Krishnappa: The seed farms are a different programme. We (a) whether the construction of the have a target and within three years, Kamalapur electricity generating all the States should reach that target. station at Hampi under the Tunga­ While doing so, wherever land is not bhadra Project has been completed; easily available, wherever they cannot and procure it voluntarily, by acquisition they have to procure the land. (b) when this generating station will go into operation? Nagarjunasagar Project The Minister of Irrigation and Power •728. Shri B. S. Murthy: Will the (Shri S. K. Patil): (a) The civil works Minister of Irrigation and Power be and the erection of machinery at the pleased to state: Hampi Power House have almost been (a) whether it is a fact that the completed. ^estimates of the Andhra Pradesh for (b) The first unit was put on com­ grants for Nagarjunasagar have been mercial load on the 10th February, heavily cut down resulting in the pro­ 1958. The second unit is scheduled to gress of the works being retarded; and be commissioned by the end of March, (b) if so, whether the Centre would 1958. reconsider the question? Shri T. Subramanyam: When are the other units at this generation The Minister of Irrigation and station likely to come into operation? Power (Shri S. K. Patil): (a) and (b). No grants are being given to the Shri S. K. Patti: In the whole of the Andhra Pradesh Government for the project, two power-houses were plan­ •execution of the Nagarjunasagar Pro­ ned, one on the right side at the foot ject. The Central Government is, of the dam, called the dam power however, giving financial assistance to house and the second at the end of the that Government in the shape of power channel which is the Hampi interest-bearing loans. During the power house to which the hon. Mem­ current year, against a minimum ber has made reference. The second demand of Rs. 8 crores, a sum of will be commissioned now in March Rs. 7*45 crores will be made available. as the answer says. Therefore, that would complete the scheme. Shri B. S. Murthy: May I know •whether the scheduled work is going Shri Basappa: May I know the on according to the schedule and if quantity of electricity generated In so, whether the Government of Andhra this station and also to what extent hot not come forward to increase the tiie needs of Mysore and Andhra States loanf? are met? 3537 O™1 A n sw en 7 MARCH 1958 Oral Annoert 35^

Shri S. K. Patil: The two power­ The Minister of Railways (Shri houses will have an installed capacity Jagjivan Ram): It is quite clear. The of 38,000 k w. Each unit has 9000k.w. Railway Ministry has been makihg This will be 18000 and the total capa­ purchases, inviting tenders through city is 36,000 kw So far as the total local agents We knew what are the power potential of Mysore and Andhra firms which are interested, m different States are concerned, that is a larger parts of Europe and other countries, question and that is being attended to and we had information m our Minis­ by power stations m other places try Also we had roughly the price rates of the purchases that were made Purchase of Railway Stores during the few months before the mission was sent abroad The mission *730. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: was sent with full powers to go there, Will the Minister of Railways be see if the prices were reasonable and pleased to state: advantageous, take decision there and (a) how many teams of officers finalise the transaction were sent abroad for the purchase of Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: May I stores by Railway administration dur­ know whether our Embassies outside ing the last three years; are taken into confidence and these purchases are effected m consultation (b) what is the amount of purchases with them or they have nothing to do effected by each team, and with them? (c) whether any steel purchased Shri Jagjivan Ram: I will not say was found not up to specifications and that they have nothing to do with unusable by the Railway Board7 them The officers who went there were in close touch with the Embassy The Deputy Minister of Railways authorities there and as a matter of (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Two fact, many of the details were obtained through the Embassy offices them­ (b) Rs 34 crores worth of Steel & Iron and about Rs 85 lakhs worth of selves timber respectively Shri Feroze Gandhi: May I know (c) No how much saving was effected as a result of this direct negotiation and Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: May I direct purchase as made last year’ know what is the procedure followed Shri Jagjivan Ram: It is very diffi­ for effecting these purchases, whether cult to compute the savings any global tenders are invited in the first instance and then teams are sent Shri Feroze Gandhi: Against the out to negotiate7 tenders which were received by the D G, S & D’ Shri Shahnawaz Khan: In this parti­ cular case, since the urgency was very Shri Jagjivan Ram: That would be great, the team went, made direct quite a substantial saving I think it negotiations with the sellers and found will be something like Rs 7 or 8. out what were most favourable rates crores. and then placed orders direct Shri B. S. Murthy: May 1 know the . .Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: May countries from which timber has been I know how the team contacts parti­ purchased and how the prices compare cular firms without any previous in­ with the Indian prices? viting of tenders, whether they have got certain firms in their mind? How Shri Shahnawaz Khan: Prices com* they make the purchase, that is not pare very favourably. Timber sleepers clear at all. have been purchased from Burma. 3539 Oral A nsw ers 7 MABCH 1998 Oral Answers 3540*

Shri Duippi: May I know how the fafrcr % arger f requirements of the Railways are of an urgent character? The question is, f a s r % s p r t c «Pt why they were not anticipated well in f t 3|Tcft ^ *rc*FTT w tfWF* advance and the normal procedure adopted to secure them? W ft? * f 5f W f % Shri Jagjivan Ram: I will not say «Pt ? R T ? that the mission was sent only because there was urgency. We have found «ft TPf fflfT : $ SmSTcTT f #[ft that by the normal procedure of inviting tenders through the local T t agents of the different manufacturing *Pt ^ ? iw r ^^ft ft firms we were paying higher prices and 9T3f 3f*Tft fr S^Bjt 'ft0 ^ the goods were also not available in i t o the requisite quantity. TT^^nft^ spt | i Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: May I vh TO : A 3fT?fTI ^TTfcTT § fa know whether, in the light of the JRTT ITm hT jf^t JTft5JT * %*RT % experience gained in this deal, the % v i h n f x m Railway administration proposes to change the procedure to this line of w r t x 9# t fa* * fa ?TT action in the future? 3*t * ^Tt* Tm f *R 5t ( , W Shri Jagjivan Ram: I will not say cTT^TjJT ^ 5 TT % ^TTTT that there will be any universal appli­ T T C | ? cation of the system. Wherever we find it necessary, we will adopt this «ft Tnr wfij? : fcmfc % sit procedure. - * \ Shri Padam Dev: f 5TT Tt ftr t SWfoT St

The Deputy Minister of Railways ^ W ftW TW ■ Ajjjd (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) (i) Jaipur yard—Progress 20 per cent *ft*£ ^ *ft fcfa*T «PR W ?FTf % I 5ft OT TO WJFT fw (ii) Palanpur yard—Additional land 3THT *fk 3% 3% OTT aft toeing acquired. gfarr fttft 3IT$*fr ^ t 5TT*fi S J R T (b) (i) Jaipur yard—About Rs. 3 wmrfaTT arTT*lT I lakhs. «ft Wo WTo fjtfft (ii) Palanpur yard—About Rs. 2 % fa TOfa JTT^ftq- *Ht % * f ifr ff lakhs. fa*rr fa s f 9* f ^ T 'T ^ a r m (c) Probable date of completion for far *ft % ** art ?*TT?ft % R, R loth the works; March 1960. STTO 5TP15T % w ^ ^fr ** ^ t. ♦ ^nsRT *n^TT f fa WT id) Yes, Sir. % aro vtf tut q?rr ift srr^wr *0 mo frifl : J t f t ^TT f^RT ^ fa ^ ^THrf «Pt 9!T«reT % u v t 5 ^ qi% ? ^TPT fa*TT Vft fa

•ft Wo WTo fffjft : fsRT $t v r $ irrf# vt ?rt areRT ?t q^*rr 1 % •fRT^ *rc*r % p ; w^fiw anfofr % *m ft mvPTRiT ^ • w w r I c T T f T f a f R ^ srft ^ r r farf^rr * qfr^ir «rnr- ftnT *fr anft ^•r firfpw ^ ^ ^ 3f t f a f jftr ftnr fa 5T*S3|f 1# ft »rf I 5ft # tft qf^JT «ri»iT ^fa'T wnr eftr 3IT5R T ^T^STT f fa WT ^ #>ff WtT ^■'T f^wW aqr «rf^PF wtt ?r ^ ^ wire fan- s t o t t ? sr# fa?rr arr^, ^ *ftftr ^ # am ft I HFnflw m t •ft Tyiwr ftqj : ur aft % ^?ft «T9> 3»mtT v n v r » «IR ftwt 3fT^»TT I 3543 Oral Answers 7 MARCH 1958 Oral Answers 3544 Periyar and Kundah Power Projects Shri S. K. Patil: I said the same tl1ing. The entire foreign exchange is *735. Shri S. V. Ran~~swami: Will coming from outside. Therefore, there the Minister of Irrigation and Power is no difficulty about completing it. be pleased to state: (a) whether there is likely to be Eastern Railway Press delay in the completion of Periyar *736. Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: and Kundah Power Projects; Will the Minister of Railways be (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and pleased to refer to the reply given to (c) the steps being taken to keep Starred Question No. 728 on the 3rd December, 1957 and state: to the schedule? The Minister of Irrigation and Power (a) w hat action has been taken (Shri S. K. P atil): (a) to (c). A state- against three employees of Eastern ment is laid on the Table of the Lok Railway Press as a result of depart- Sabha. [See Appendix IV, anneX:ure mental enquiry; and No. 49.J (b) w hether there has been a total Shri S. V. Ramaswami: Owing to assessment of the losses incurred? frequent power cuts, has it been impressed upon this Government that The Deputy Minister of Railways it is very necessary to give this top (Shri Shahnaw az Khan): (a) One priority to prevent a break-down of employee has been removed from ser·- power supply in Madras State? vice on 25-1-1958: another punished 'Nith stoppage of increment for 2 years Shri S. K. Patil: It does not require without cumulative effect and a show any impressing on the State Govern- cause notice for removal from service ment. They are more concerned than has been ·served on the third. even we are. (b) No loss has been sustained in Shli Nan jappa: In view of the fact connection with the cases against these that the Canadian Government is employees; rendering all help to complete the Kundah project in the scheduled time, Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: May I is it possible to complete the scheme know what actually were the charges b efore the scheduled time? that wery., substantiated against these people, if it was not only the ques- Shri S. K Patil: If it is completed tion of losses. before the scheduled time, we shall be happy, but the scheduled time is Shri Shalmawaz Khan: The charges 1960-61. were mainly presentation of a bogus certificate for enrolment. Shri R. Ramanathan Chettiar: May I know whether these two schemes Shrimati Renn Chakravartty: May I have been included in the core of the know who were the people responsible Plan. for actually putting these people into Shri S. K. Patil: I think they are. I service in spite of false certificates, do not know about the core so far as and whether it is a genera.I rule not these are concerned, but so far as the to take people through employment Kundah project is concerned, we are exchanges, but through direct recruit- getting foreign aid, and therefore, no ment? question of foreign exchange arises. Shri Shahuawaz Khan: On the rail- Shri Balakrishnan: May I know w ays we do recruit people directly, whether it is a fact that the Canadian although we notify the date of employ- Government · has given further assis- ment to the · employment exchange. tance of materials and machinery to We do recruit persons directly on the complete the Kundah project? railways, 3545 Oral Amwere 7 MARCH 1968 Oral JUtttMt* 3546 Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: In the for the contractors to carry an with Eastern Railway Press, have any the work. First there was a go-slow, people been taken through the employ­ then a strike, and again some settle­ ment exchange and the officers through ment and again go-slow and finally any sort of service commission, or is it the contractors broke down. that they have all been recruited directly? Shri Punnoose: What is the stage at which it is down? Is it dismissed, or Shri Shahnawax Khan: Officers are is Government doing something to almost always taken through the look into the matter? Union Public Service Commission and Railway Service Commission. The Shri Baj Bahadur: As I said, for a Class IV employees are recruited considerable period of time there wa3 directly. go-slow, then a strike came. After the intervention of the administrative Aroor Bridge in Kerala officer, that was called off, but even then the go-slow did not cease, and it + seems from the circumstances that *9 *1 f Sltrl Pranoose: have been revealed to us that the con­ 3 \Shrl Narayanankutty tractors simply failed financially because of the go-slow movement of Will the Minister of Transport and the labour, and they are unable to Communications be pleased to state: carry on the contract. Anyhow, the (a) whether it is a fact that the renresentativps of the contractors have been called for a discussion, and we construction of the Aroor Bridge on National Highway No. 47 In the Kerala shall be able to come to some sort of State has been suspended for the time decision in this regard to expedite the construction of the bridge as soon as being; and possible (b) if so, the reasons for this sus­ pension? Shri Punnoose: Have Government examined the reason for these labour The Minister of State in the Minis­ disputes, whether the fault has been try of Transport and Communications on the part of the workers or on the (Shri Baj Bahadur): (a) Yes, Sir. The part of the contractor? work has been practically suspended for the last four weeks Shri Raj Bahadur: I think the orga­ nisers of the labour union, which for­ (b) A statement is laid on the Table tunately or unfortunately belongs to of the Lok Sabha. [See Appendix IV, the hon. Member's party, viz., the annexure No. 50.] Communist Party, will be better able to give that answer. Shri Punnoose: Are Government aware of the fact that this is a road Shri Punnoose: That is why I asked with very heavy traffic and that the whether Government have made sure National Highway win not be serving that that contractor is not misbehaving its purpose if this is held up? as he generally does. Shri Baj Bahadur: We are not only very well aware, but we took effec­ Mr. Speaker: Are we utilising this tive steps to have the bridge construc­ for a labour dispute? ted in as small a ptfriod of time as possible. We have sanctioned a pro­ Shri Punnoose: Well, he started it ject estimated at Rs 27,23,000. Fifty- two per cent of the work and more Mr. Speaker; That is all right Who­ has been done, but on account of ever might have started, I will cut it labour troubles, it has not been possible short now. 3547 Written Answ er* 7 MARCH 1958 Written Answers 3548 Influenza (b) whether it is a fact that the high rates of water have resulted in + the non-utilization of available water a /S h r i Mohan 8warup: resources? \ Shri Rameshwar Tantia: Will the Minister of Health be The Minister of Irrigation and Power pleased to state: (Shri S. K. Patfl): (a) and (b). No, Sir. 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WRITTEN ANSWERS TO Inauguration of Electrio Train Senrioe QUESTIONS at Howrah Water Rates in States j Shri H. N. Mukerjee: W- \Shri M. Elias: '"704. Shri Rameshwar Tantia: Will the Minister of Irrigation and Power Will the Minister of Railways be be pleased to state: pleased to state: (a) whether the Government of (a) whether it is a fact that on the India have received complaints that 14th December, 1957, when electrifica­ water rates charged by State authori­ tion was inaugurated in Eastern Rail­ ties are uneconomic to the cultivator; way, Howrah Station was dosed to and traffic for several hours; 3549 Written Atiswert 7 MARCH t9 B8 Written Amvotrt 355®

(b) the number of trams affected by * * f v P F f t *p t w t t o t fr *n?«rcr the closure and the details of the delay m their arrival or departure in ?R f spt »refrr (T a ck le ) fr qft artf i each case, and ^ *5ft* «rrwfr % srfavTfxzrt fr (c) whether advance publicity was « ft T O t f s R R T f t *TOT, ^fT*T widely given in regard to such Vt JRWTcT Vt »pft I closure9 The Deputy Minister of Railways {&) 3ft I (Shri Shahnauas Khan)* (a) No, but with a view to preventing unauthorised (*t) froer % W^TTT persons infiltrating on to the platform ^FTTT-ftlW fr*RFT * 5V S T f t ^ * t where the Inaugural Special train was ^t arnr w t - w i qr ^t ^rrcft t berthed certain platforms at Howrah Station were closed during a specified 5TT5T % WT? ^TfT ^ t WIFtt ^t period ffcft | ?fr 5T??r f^TT ^rrcTT t I (b) There was a certain amount of ( * ) *t p t (*r) (*r) % dislocation m the running of trams on the day in question mamly due to T t y=TTvT ?fift I public interference to train operation and an accident on the Inaugural Special train The details are indicat­ Babool Bark ed in the statement laid on the Tabic *713. Shri Heda: Will the Minister of the Lok Sabha [See Appendix TV of Food and Agriculture be pleased annexure No 51 ] to state (c) Yes, in respect of the position as (a) whether Government are aware indicated m reply to part (a) above that the babool bark (acacia arabica) is bung exported foi medical purposes VTOVT-fSTRHT on extensive scales, and *v»? I wt (b) if so, measures taken to grow it *r^t ijf anrre- ^ s^rr f r extensively’ The Deputy Minister of Food and (*p) STTSpT TT Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) grr tott *t fspr and (b) A statement is laid on the SRT WFFT, U ** t ftr *ft HTfTcT T )bk of the Lok Sabha [See Ap­ pendix IV anne\ure No 52 ] # % w r ? , Training of TB. Workers (^) TOT q? ^ £ ft «*T 'FTTor •*ji* /Shri A K. G opal an- OTST St *T

containing the required information chased by the Government of India It placed on the Table of the Lok last year was supplied by a firm in Sabha. [See Appendix IV, annexurc the U.S.A.; and No. 53]. (b) if so, what is its financial stand­ ing and whether it deals in grain? Slums in Delhi The Deputy Minister of Food •719. Shri Vajpayee: Will the Min­ Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) ister of Health be pleased to state: As our records show, during 1957, (a) whether the Report of the Sur­ foodgrams have been purchased in vey conducted by the Bharat Sewak U.S.A. by the India Supply Mission Samaj of slums in Delhi and New from as many as 16 firms and the Delhi has since been received; and maximum purchase from one firm is about 26 per cent of the total pur­ (b) if so, whether a copy of the re­ chases. port will be laid on the Table? (b) No information regarding the The Minister of Health (Shri Kar­ standing of the different firms is markar): (a) No, Sir. available here, as the detailed records are with the India Supply Mission. (b) The matter will be considered when the report is received. Electrification of Rayagada Railway Station “ Vegetarian Eggs" *724. Shri Sanganna: Will the *720. Shrimati Ila Palchoudhuri: Minister of Railways be pleased to Will the Minister of Food and Agri­ refer to the reply given to Unstarred culture be pleased to state the steps Question No 536 on 31st May, 1057 taken or proposed to be taken to in respect of the electrification of the popularise taking of 'vegetarian eggs’ Rayagada Railway Station and state: among the vegetanan population of the country? fa) the progress m the matter; and (b) whether it is a fact that the The Deputy Minister of Food and delay is due to the disagreement bet­ Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): The ween the Government of Orissa and expression “Vegetarian eggs” has no the Centre in respect of tariff rate? scientific connotation. Infertile eggs, which have no life in them, are known The Deputy Minister of Railways as table eggs in other countries and (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) The may possibly be described in popular Rayagada station has been energised language as 'Vegetarian eggs.’ The on 12-1-1958. production of these eggs does not (b) No, Sir necessitate the presence of a cock with the hens. Full facts about vege­ Reserve Forests in Tripura tanan eggs have already been given publicity through the press. It is *726. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the proposed to continue such publicity Minister of Food and Agriculture be through the press, the All India Radio pleased to state: and the issue of pamphlets. (a) whether it is a fact that many reclaimed plots of land, either taken Foodgrain Import from U.8.A. for settlement or reclaimed in expec­ tation of settlement, are lying wnua *722. Shri Madhusudan Rao: Will areas demarcated as reserve forests the Minister of Food and Agriculture in Tripura; and be pleased to state: (b) if so, whether such lands are (a) whether it is a fact that about proposed to be excluded from , -4he Tfl per caul of American grain pur­ reserve forests? ■ ■ 3553 W ritten Answtta 7 MARCH 1956 W ritten Anew eft 3554

The Deputy Minister of Food and (c) Hie development of minor ports Agrienttare (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) is primarily the responsibility of State Yes. Governments and no provision has been made by the Government of (b) SettlAd lands lying within the Madras for the development o f Tuti- boundary of Reserved Forests are conn Port during the current year. already excluded from such forests. (d) Experimental borings to deter* Training of Civil Pilots mine the layout of the Port are under •W . Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the way. The results of first 15 bor­ Minister of Transport and .Comnumi- ings are awaited. eationa be pleased to state: Rajasthan Canal (a) whether it is a fact that a com­ mittee on Civil Pilots for training has *7S3. Shri M. D. Mathnr: Will the submitted its report; Minister of Irrigation and Power be pleased to refer to the reply given to (b) if so, the main features of the Starred Question No. 1547 on the 6th report; September, 1957 and state: (c) whether Government have (a) whether the Board for the cons­ accepted the recommendations; and truction and supervision of the Rajas­ (d) if so, to what extent? than Canal has since been constituted; The Minister of State in the Minis­ (b) if so, the names of the members; try of Transport and Communications and (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) to (d). Yes (c) if not, the reasons for the Sir, the report of the Committee has delay’ been received and is being examined. Copies of the report have been plac­ The Minister of Irrigation and edin the Library of the Parliament Power (Shri S. K. Patil): (a) No, Sir. (b) Does not arise Development of Tuticorin Harbour (c) As there are certain features *718. Shri Tkngamanl: Will the about this project which distinguish it Ministerof Transport and Communica­ from other irrigation projects, it was tions be pleased to state: felt that the agency of the Control Board would not be suitable and that (a) whether the development of a special set-up was necessary to Tttticorin harbour originally linked handle not only construction problems with Sethusamudram Project is being but also problems connected with pursued separately; colonisation and allied matters. The (b) if so, the amount allotted dur­ question has recently been discussed ing the Second Plan; with the Rajasthan Government whose concurrence is awaited. (c) the amount allotted for the cur­ rent year; and Cinchona Plantations and Quinine (d) the work actually carried out *739. Dr. Ram Snbhag Singh: Will up-to-date? the Minister of Health be pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred The Minister of State in the Minis* Question No. 89 on the 12th Feb­ try of Transport and Communications ruary, 1958 and state: (Shri Raj Bahador): (a) Yes, Sir; (b) Provision has been made in the (a) whether it is a fact that cin­ Second Flan for investigations con­ chona plantations and quinine-pro- nected with the development of Tuti­ dudng units are facing a slump; corin Port; (b) if so, the causer thereof; «nd 3555 Written A ntw ers 1 MARCH 1958 Written Answer* 3556

(c) the steps being taken by Gov­ Power Supply to West Pakistan ernment to save the industry? r Shrimati Da Paleheadhnri: Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi: The Minister of Health (Shri Kar­ . . . . J Shri V. C. bhnkla: markar): (s) Yes. I Shri Baghunath Singh: (b) (1) Mainly due to decrease in Will the Minister of Irrigation and the incidence of Malaria Power be pleased to state: owing to intensive malaria control measures. (a) whether it is a fact that the agreement for supply of electric (2) Competition laced by quinine power to West Pakistan from Punjab from modern synthetic anti- expired on 30th October, 1957; malarial drugs. (b) if so, whether power supply to (c) The steps taken by Government West Pakistan has since been stop­ are as follows: ped; and (1) Total ban on the imports of (c) if not, what further arrange­ foreign quinine. ments have since been made in this connection? (2) Restriction on the import of synthetic antil-malarials. The Minister of Irrigation and Power (Shri S. K. Patil): (a) to (c). (3) Investigation of possible uses The agreement for the supply of of Quinine otherwise than as power from the Punjab to West an anti-malarial. Pakistan expired on the 31st October, 1957. It was then renewed for a period of six months for a supply of Khandwa-Hingoli Link 4,000 kw. Later, it was agreed that power to the extent of only 1,500 kw. „ /S h r i T. B. Vittal Rao: would be supplied to West Pakistan u> \Shri Heda: during the period from 1st Novem­ ber, 1957 to 31st March, 1958. Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to state: At a meeting of representatives of the Government of the Punjab (India) (a) the progress made up-to-date in and of West Pakistan on the 18th and regard to construction of Khandwa- 19th January, 1958, the Pakistan Hingoli rail link; representatives Btated that they had made their own arrangements now (b) when it is expected to be com­ for the supply of electricity and would pleted and opened to traffic; and not need supply of power from India after 31st January, 1958. It was (c) the total amount spent on this agreed, therefore, to discontinue sup­ so far? ply by 31st January, 1958. This agreement was confirmed by the West The Deputy Minister of Railway* Pakistan Government. Accordingly, (Shri Shahnawa* Khan): (a) The the supply of power to West Pakistan overall progress of work is 48 per was discontinued with effect from the cent. 1st February, 1958.

(b) In 1960-81 provided girders and Calcutta Pert permanent way materials «re received in time. *741. Shri Raghnnath Singh: Will the Minister of Transport and Com­ (e) Rs. 460*83 lakhs upto December, munications be pleased to state whe­ 1967. ther it is a fact that the wdtt of 3557 Written Answ er* 7 MARCH 1958 tfnttep An*u)er» 355I rupees two crores for the supply 0f Special Duty regarding the pay wales modern equipment for Calcutta Port and allowances of labourers in major has been placed with foreign coun­ ports; tries’ (b) whether the members of the The Minister of State in the Minis­ Madras Dock Labour Board were try of Transport and Communications supplied with copies of the Report; (Shri Raj Bahadur): The value of the and equipment for which the Commission­ (c) if not, the reasons therefor’ ers fbr the Port of Calcutta have placed orders abroad is Rs 38 20 lakhs. The Minister of State In the Minis­ try of Transport and Communications (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) The Report Hindi Telegrams will be published after decisions have been taken on the recommendations /Shri S. V. Ramaswami: contained therein 743, \ Shri K. B. Mai via: (b) Copies of the Report have been Will the Minister of Transport and furnished to the Madras Dock Labour Communications be pleased to state Board (a) what is the percentage of tele­ (c) Does not anse graphic traffic in Hindi at present to the total telegraphic traffic, Borabay-Ahmedabad Janata (b) whether arrangements have Express Accident been made for the transmission of Shri Vajpayee: telegrams in Hindi in all the principal Shri Assar. telegraph offices in the country; / ' 'j Shri Raghunath Singh (c) whether separate staff has been ^Pandit K. C. Sharma: posted for this purpose, and (d) if so, what is the extra ex­ Will the Minister of Railways be penditure cn this account’ pleased to state

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(b) Yes, an enquiry into the acci- culated to all the Railway Administra- dent was held by a Committee of tions for the information and guid- Divisional Officers of the Railway. ance of Technical Officers working on Railways. No other action is called United Seafarers Federation for on these -notes at this stage.

*746. Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Will the Minister of Transport and Communica- f~~ Sf~~ .q q'a'l'Q .~ tions be pleased to state: *19¥c;. ~r ~ ~ ii{ : cmr ~r~:U" if ixm the shipping office at Bombay and its i:f ~crr CF r ;:rcrrrr frrcrr.:q..:r 95r ~r ~ precincts; -and ~ ; (b) if so, what action has been taken thereon? (@ ) lffo: ~r, err ci:m G°'n~ f~ ~ The Minister of State in the Minis- Cf.<:: ; try of Transport and Communications i:rf~ f~ (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) Yes. (ri) rr@, err if;" Cflff ~%'.; ~1<:: (b) It has not been possible for Government to permit such entry at ( '51') - cl" . ~ ~ Cfil+T Cf>"V!T st~ the time of signing on or paying off ~( crews to persons styling themselves 7 as members or office-bearers of the "United Seafarers Federation", as this ~cnPli it;rr (~r 'lR+Fut> <) : ( Cfi) is not a recognised Union. There is ~R (lT) • ~ fCfCf"{UT mIT Cfif ~ q<: however no ban on entry into the <::

Team of Railway 'I'eclmical (@) ~h: ( 'er) . ~'pecific technical assistance has been (Shri Shahnawaz lihan): (aj anci (b). asked for by the Andnra State in the The notes pn~pared by the team of matter. As regard fin ancial assis- Technical Officers who visited tance, during the first two years of Washington on some of the interest- the Second Five Year Plan a sum of ing features of Railway operation or Rs. 27,300 was sanctioned as loan for development schemes have been cir- a scheme of artificial regeneration in 3$6 i Written A n titers 7 MAftCB ltt* Written AimtHrt timber forests in Andhra Pradesh. Ganges at Kanpur depressed while This scheme would include teak plan­ the 466 Down Ifarukhabad-Lucknow tation work. Passenger was passing over it on the Chemical Fertilisers 1st February, 1958; •Wi. Dr. B aa Sobhii Singh: Will (b) if so, the reasons for the same; the Minister of Food and Agriculture and be pleased to state: (c) the steps taken in the matter? (a) whether there is any likelihood The Deputy Minister of Railways of getting chemical fertilizers from (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) Yes, the United States of America; Sir. (b) if co, what quantity of this material is likely to be received; and (b) While carrying out cleaning and oiling of bearings of one of the spans (c) the cost thereof? of the Ganga Bridge, a timber pack­ The Deputy Minister of Food and ing was inserted under girder to per­ Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) mit Tram No. 486 Down Farukhabad- to (c). No contract for the import of Lucknow Passenger to pass at a very fertilizers from U.S.A. has been pla­ slow speed. This was done to prevent ced against the purchases already made undue detention to this tram. As this for 1958-59 on straight payment basis. timber gave way, there was a depres­ Possibilities of import under the aid sion of a few inches in the Track. programme are, however, being (c) A District Officers Joint Enquiry explored. It is too early to say what has been ordered quantities will be coming under the aid programme, if at-alL Fire in Calcutta-Bombay Mail Soil Survey of India *753. Shrimati Oa Palchoudhuri: •1S1. Shri Raghnnath Singh: Will Will the Minister of Railways be the Minister of Food and Agriculture pleased to state be pleased to state: (a) whether the attention of the (a) whether it is a fact that Dr. C. Government of India has been drawn £. Kellogg visited India in connection to the news appearing in “The States­ with the soil survey of India; and man” of the 21st February, 1958 that 13 persons—seven women and six (b) if so, whether he has submitted children were injured as a result of any report? fire in a second class compartment on the Calcutta-Bombay Mail passing bet­ The Deputy Minister of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) ween Godwara and Sallchawka Road Stations on the 20th February, 1958; Yes, Sir; he remained in the country from 3-1-1958 to 8-2-1958. (b) if so, the cause of the fire and (b) He has submitted an advance the other details of the incident; copy of his report which is under examination. (c) the latest condition of the in­ jured; and Railway Bridge over Ganges (d) the steps taken or proposed to fShri Vajpayee: be taken to prevent a recurrence of 152. y Shri Raghnnath Singh: such incidents7 I Shri Jagdtah Awasthi: The Deputy Minister of Railways Will the Minister o f Railways be (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) to (d). pleased to state; A Statement is laid on the Table of (a) whether it is a fact that the the Lok Sabha. [See Appendix XV, Track over the Railway bridge on the annexttre No. 55.] I9 & VMtUn Atuiaera 1 MAJRC& 1058 Written Ansieeri £564

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•rira^r mn wwrc wwwto w tt^t- The Deputy Minister of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M Thomas): (a) W*t (sftTTW ^T|T) : (* ) m An amount of Rs 109*54 lakhs was gvptt * fwfqpr vttjIH r (srr?- allotted to Rajasthan including Ajmer * 7 ) fafad«S % p ftr o V?T»T W STT% cffa for Grow More Food Campaign. Re­ ports received so far show that a sum VKtf ^ W f t I of Rs. 49‘65 lakhs was spent during (w) &r *refa w *T<it of the three platforms at Kotah, try of Transport and Commonieatlons one platform viz. Down platform is (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) Rs. 916*83 partly provided with a cover, the lakhs. 3j^Sf Written Answer* 7 MARCH lW8” Written Answer* 3574

tb) A statement is placed on the (b) whether replacement of the old Table of the Lok Sabha. [See Ap­ rail tracks is overdue according to pendix IV, annexure No. 60.]. the standard of life of rail tracks (d) Rs. 8-81 crores. fixed by Railway Board; (e) An application for a loan of (c) whether Railway authorities are Rs. 5:56 crores has been made to the considering replacement of the rail World Bank. The amount and terms tracks or lines in different parts of the of the loan are being negotiated by aforesaid area in the near future; representatives of the Government of (d) if so, when; and India and the Madras Port Trust who art now in Washington. The out­ come is awaited. (e) whether the Railway authorities over mado any proposal or investi­ (f) Berthing capacity after comple­ gation to provide multiple broad tion gauge and metre gauge rail track bet* ween Shahganj on Maw Junction and Quay berths .. 17 Varanasi? Mooring berths .. 3 The Deputy Minister of Railways Non-dangerous petro­ (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) to (e). leum berths .. 3 A statement is placed on the Table Dangerous petro­ of the Lok Sabha [See Appendix leum berths 1 IV, annexure No. 611 7A Postal facilities In villages of Kotah District Telephone Facilities In N.E.8, Blocks 908 Shri Onkar Lai: Will the Minis­ ter of Transport and Communications 906. Shri Onkar Lai: Will the Minis­ ter of Transport and Coaunnnicatlons be pleased to state* be pleased to state (a) whether it is a fact that in Kotah district there are villages (a) whether there is a proposal for where delivery of postal articles, let­ establishing te’ephcne facilities at all ters etc is made once a week or the N.E S. Blocks; and twice; (b) if so, when the work will start? (b) if so, the names of the villages; The Minister of State in the Minis­ try of Transport and Communications (c) whether Government have any (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) and (b). scheme for increasing postal facilities There is no such proposal. Tele­ at such placcs; and phone facility at a N.E S. Block is provided only when the proposal is (d) if so, the details thereof? found necessary and financially remu­ nerative The Minister of State itn the Minis­ try of Transport and Communication* Railway Tracks (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) Yes. Once 967. Shri Kallka Singh: Will the a week in 1383 villages. Minister of Railways be pleased to (b) A statement giving the informa­ tate: tion is placed on the Table of the Lok Sabha. [See Appendix IV, annexure (a) how old are the rail tracks bet- No. 62.]. wegn Shahganj Junction and Ballia Stations and Allahabad and Bhatnl (e) and (d) Yes, by opening about Stations on the North Eastern Railway 34 more Post Offices dining ttte next section; thro* yew*. ^15^ v Awno*t* 1 MARCH 1958 Written Answers ** .. % ^ ^ <*»-- _f __ H w i mrnrn w tw y w w Public Call Offices 911. Shri Pangarkar: Will the t * t . «ft qt« : *rr fcw Minister of Transport and Communi­ *T$ f?TR fTT ^ ft? : cations be pleased to state the places where Public Call Offices axe propos­ (*P) W * !W d S I < 5TTt?T ed to be provided during 1958-59 in % fV?H

the Co-operative Societies in 1956-57 (b) the lates at which food-gtai&s and 1957-58, State-wise; are being sold9 Production of Vanaspati cases, especially m States where the co-operative movement is relatively 916. Shn V P Nayar. Will the weak, the State Governments stand Minister of Food and Agriculture be guarantee for the loans However, pleased to state the Reserve Bank lends to State (a) the total production of Vanas­ Governments from its National Agri­ pati in the year 1956-57, and cultural Credit (Long-term Opera­ tions) Fund for contribution to the (b) the total quantity of Vitamins share capital of co-operative credit used m the vear in Vanaspati manu­ institutions Tablei whidh gives the facture (in international units)7 particulars of such loans during the quarter October—December, 1957, is The Deputy Minister of Food and enclosed [See Appendix IV annex­ Agriculture (Shri A M Thomas): (a) ure No 68 ] 2,63,822 tons Fair Price Shops in Himachal (b) 63 80 lakh mega International Pradesh Units •14 Shn Daljit Singh: Will the Animal Husbandry Minister of Food and Agriculture be 917 Shri V P Nayar: Will the pleased to state Minister of Food and Agriculture be (a) the number of fair price shops pleased to lay on the Table a tta*e- tt present m Himachal Pradesh, and ment showing the financial aid fivan 3579 Written Answers 7 MARCH 1958 Written Answers 3580

in the First Plan and the first year of 21. Siriguppa. tbe Second Plan for animal husbandry 22. Sulurpeta. to the areas which now come under the different States of India as consti­ 23. Tadikonda. tuted at present? 24. Virankilock. * Subject to availability of stores The Deputy Minister of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): A including Wooden Poles. statement is placed on the Table of Sugar-cane Crushed in Andhra Lok Sabha. [See Appendix IV, an­ nexure No. 87:] 919. Shri M. V. Krishna Rao: Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture Public Call Offices in Andhra be pleased to state: 918. Shri M. V. Krishna Rao: Will (a) the quantity of sugar-cane the Minister of Transport and Com­ crushed in the sugar mills in Andhra munications be pleased to state the during 1956-57; and names of the places where public call (b) the price of sugar-cane paid to offices are proposed to be opened in the farmers? Andhra Pradesh during the remaining period of the Second Five Year Plan, The Deputy Minister of Food and year-wise? Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) 15.42 lakh tons. The Minister of State In the Minis­ (b) The average price paid to try of Transport and Communications growers for cane delivered at factory (Shri Raj Bahadur): A statement is gate works out to Rs. 1.45 per maund appended. Further proposals will and that for Rail cane Rs. 1.33 per also be sanctioned as found justified. maund. •To be opened during the remaining Calcium Cynamide period of Second Five Year Plan 1. Aluru. 920. Shri V. P. Nayar: Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture be' 2. Atmakur. pleased to state: 3. Bhattiprolu. 4. Cumbum. (a) whether Calcium Cynamide is used as a fertilizer in India now; 5. Giddalur. 6. Gundugolanu. (b) if so, the annual consumption 7. Hazurabad. thereof; and 8. Jagtial. (c) what are the specific cases 9. Kalyandrug. wherein this fertiliser can be used . with advantage in our countrj and 10. Kamalapuram. for which crops? 11. Koilkuntla. Thf Deputy Minister of Food and 12. Madak-asira. Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas 13. Medak. (a) Yes, for conducting experiments 14. Mustabad. only. ' 15. Narayanpet. (b) The total quantity is not known; 16. Nayudupet. but it would be small. 17. Payagada. (c) Experiments have been carried 16. Renigunta. out on rice, wheat, jo war, bajra, ragi. Though the number of trials carried 1$L Baagamjagarlamudi. out in the past is small to draw de> finite conclusions, tbe results obtained 3581 Written A nsw ers 7 MARCH 1958 Written Answers 3583

indicate that response to this fertilizer pleased to lay a statement on tha ‘is poor as compared to Sulphate of Table showing the details and pro­ Ammonia. gress of research work done under the auspices of the Ministry of Food and Agriculture on (i) plant pathology; Ordinarily this fertilizer is suited (ii) soil chemistry;' (iii) mycology; for application to neutral and acidic and (iv) plant genetics, under the soils but not for alkaline and sandy Second Five Year Plan? soils. As it requires special care and knowledge for proper use, it is not as popular as other nitrogenous fer­ The Deputy Minister of Food and tilisers. Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): The information is being collected Post Graduates In Soil Sciences and will be placed on the Table of the Lok Sabha. 9*1. Shri V. P. Nayar: Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture be Cocoanut Research Institute pleased to state: 923. Shri V. P. Nayar: Will the (a) the number of post-graduates Minister of Food and Agriculture be in soil sciences working under the pleased to state: Central and States Ministries of Agri­ culture; and (a) the number of scientists asso­ ciated with the research on the enn- (b) the number of students who rol of cocoanut diseases, with post­ are admitted to post-graduate studies graduate degrees (study or research) in Indian Universities on soil scien­ in the Cocoanut Research Institute ces? near Kayenkelam in Kerala State; and

The Deputy Minister of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (b) the specific subjects in which (a) and (b). The required information each research scholar is now doing is being collected and will be laid research in that scheme? down on the Table of the Lok Sabha in due course. The Deputy Minister of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): Research in Plant Pathology etc. (a) Three.

922. Shri V. P. Nayar: Will the (b) The names and designations of Minister of Food and Agriculture be the three scientists and the specific subjects in which they are doing re­ search work are indicated below:—

Same and designation of the Scientist. Subject to research work. 1. Dr. K. P. V. Menon, B.Sc. Ph.D. (London), D.I.C., Director, Central Pathological aspect of coconut Coconut Research Station, palm diseases. Kayangulam. 2. Dr. K. Radha, B.Sc. Ph.D. —do— (Madras), Assistant Pathologist. Shri E. J. Verghese, BA., M&-, Chemical aspect of coconut jjQ&Jt (Madras), foil Chemist, £ j|j Written Ankwets } UAft&t 19& Written Anm/M 35I 4

Milk Comnpttim (V) * * * * * vJ^TT S&T * Ml. Shri V. P. Nayar: Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture be f*FTR SP>¥ TT*T VT . pleased to lay on the Table a state­ t ; ment showing (i) the per capita con­ sumption of milk and milk products («r) 5* *r»ff * f*m nt* in each State in 1956-57; (ii) the average yield of milk per year of *if«rfa?T s ; cows and buffaloes in each State? (*r) 5* «r

( * ) *rT-*rm"0 A vr (^ ) ^rw r 1 m i forff H, (jf) ^ r» ? t * 5irr*fr m w i ( * ) rnfcnr farm t o t ST fc, ^ STlf»FT aFT *RT 7 JffPt ?ft*T I

qfTWJWr ?WT H’fTR *TPTO * TTOT inft («ft Tiir ( v ) fa s 1 h ) e p9 f R H . q c ? r w (*) to ft % *R*K sim *TV- f a r f e w t % 3* % f a s f t (^ > i T .T arrt,y(q w ) f?RFr-?«nR> tt £ spfrsR % f m * *nf?pp fr^Tzr?ft f%rrcr New Railway Lines « R !T f^ T T 3TFTT t I

( * ) faftereit sm 927. Shri P. K. Deo: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to * W T * iTT-4R T T f t r f k TZ f ^ T R T T state the mileage of railway lines so f a t ^ t, *i?r 5* frr* far newly constructed 111 various States since Independence, State-wise? n f t f ^ T T fc I

w r * h r A fam * Star The Deputy Minister of RailwAys (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): The infor­ mation is not maintained State-wise W . « ? i i : w t « m - but Railway-wise. A statement show­ fiftur fin ra *NV arm* f t m ing the new lines opened to traffic, from 15th August, 1947 to 1st Mtoreh/ 358s Written A n tw tn 7 MARCH 19S9 W H tm jj p g

1958 Railway-wise la attached. {See ?TWW$ ftwft T O l&BFT# Appendix IV, annexure No. 89.] (additions and alterations) Suicide by Bailway Official i?»f «*pt nr 928 Shri Keshava: Will the RSH % f^R*TTT VT VW Minister of Railways be pleased to faSTT 3TT TifT | I state: (a) whether any investigation has (*) *3 ***** # STPT Ttf^TT been made into the death of Shn B K. T Iyengar, Financial Adviser to R5R * ifT fw atm m; the Eastern Railway at Calcutta on fj’T *0 ^TFPT «FT VJ1TH 14th February, 1958 as reported m the | I rW ^ tf V newspapers, and (b) if so, with what result9 t I The Deputy Minister of Railways Aerodrome Colonies (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) and (b) The' local police who conducted en­ 931 Shri Elayaperumal: Will the quiries on the spot m this case con­ Minister of Transport and Communi­ cluded that it was a case of suicide and cations be pleased to state the num­ handed over the dead body of Shn fi ber of Aerodrome Colonies m India K T Iyengar to his relatives for which are without schools for school cremation going children7 Mail Robberies The Minister of State in the Minis, try of Transport and Communications 929 Shri Gajendra Prasad 6 inha: (Shri Raj Bahadur): Schools are Will the Minister of Transport and available at all Aerodrome Colonies Communications bo pleased to state within a distance of two miles except in the case of 27 colonies for which (a) the number of mail robberies the information is given m the which occurred in 1957, and attached statement [See Appendix (b) the net loss sustained as a IV, annexure No 70) result of these robberies7 Railway Crossing near Annamalai The Minister of State in the Minis­ University try of Transpbrt and Communications (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) 13 932 Shri Elayaperumal: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to (b) Net cash loss of Rs 2329 55 state (a) whether Government are aware that the Railway crossing $.3 ° . s r o m W T near Annamalai University (South Arcot District Madras State) causes **) f*TT inconvenience to the public, (?Fr) m\ q? ?. fa fosft jttpt (b) if so, what action has been TT fjRTT 3TT T£T taken to remove the inconvenience; fc, and (c) whether there is any proposal ( m ) ? t , ?rt z w for the construction of a bridge there Tifssr «ri & ? during the Second Five Year Plan7 ibw frt) : Hie Deputy Minister of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) to (c) w . No, Sir; the Government is not aware 5TT^»T f i r a i R % of any inconvenience being caused to 3597 wrtam Answers 7 m a h vh ihwj written Answers ?S»* the public at the railway crossing near tot m m t t arar# r?r Annamalai University. f r : The Begistrar, Annamalai Uni­ versity has, however, represented for (*0 TOT *T* I for &T % the. construction of an overbridge from the western to the eastern side faf*T$r >rnfr * sre-j**, w *n: of the chidambaram station to en­ fTJTOT, fWT $r n't able passengers from Annamalainagar %’TT iRTmtt W f t ; to have direct access to the Railway Station. This is under consideration. (*f) TOT W PCi T?teT TP? Public Call Office at Sankarapuram if: *r^ rn ; T f*5PT ffRT f^T- *T**> mI ’ITCH* TO I T°T I (if) U,*** oo I (^) 'TtfTr

f W W : (x) *f5T*ntt aftmftjrt uftr- WV fro*. ^i\s % «Fqr^ mo afwrf;: fT STTOm I 35$9 Written Answers 7MARCH 1958 Written A nsw ers 3596

Railway Protection Force (b) the number of children parti­ cipated during the same year; and 936. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to (c) the total expenditure incurred state; on this item during that year? (a) whether the Railway Protec. tion Force has been established on The Deputy Minister of Railways the Northern Railway; (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) 14. (b) if so, the date of its establish­ (b) 1,457. ment; and (c) Rs. 70,556 out of which (c) the name of its Headquarters. Rs. 46,740 was met from the Staff The Deputy Minister of Railways Benefit Fund and the balance of (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Yes. Rs. 23,816 was realised from the (b) 1st January, 1955. parents of the children. (c) Northern Railway Headquar­ ters Office, Baroda House, New Delhi. ffRun* sfcr * v*nr$t vmit Soil Conservation Schemes in Punjab C.H- % tw : srt arm eWT ^ STrIT#ft fNT «f3ft 937. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture be f% : pleased to state: (T ) m m JTTtT % fo (a) whether any amount had been f^rr^FT s fo r % Pjrt allotted to the Punjab State during 1957-58 for soil conservation mea­ apt W 'T SRT# % fMr sures for preventing riverine soil STFfT ^Tiff 'TFff t o F t erosion; and TT JTFT ^ spT (b) if so, the amount and the TtTSFR TtTPTrfr $ ; rivers covered under the scheme? *0x The Deputy Minister of Food and (*0 «PT Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) % fM WT TTFT ? and (b ). A sum of Rs. 3:37 lakhs has been sanctioned by the Central Government for schemes of soil ma hVt ffti ^rarafV ( wo «o conservation in the Punjab in 1957-58. «im) : fa) fartfr ^ $<5 But the schemes received do not specifically refer to the problems of tt stt#rv ^*ff ^ strnfT foiT- riverine orision. Of this, Rs. 1*35 ^ % OTT W*t j[t »rf £ I lnkha has been given for soil conser­ 5TT WTsrf (cessionaires) vation schemcs relating to cho-training in Hoshiarpur and Ambala districts fnmdt srf «tt ^ ^ and afforestation in various catchments t I an?t 'TT ^ *T such as Bhakra and Kulu which would fa-ra I, cpc qf help regulate the river systems con­ cerned. fMV W«ff %

938. Shri Beda: Will the Minister (* ) SPRIT of Railways be pleased to state: writ ^ (a) the number of holiday camps <6$ *qm lor the children of railway employees held in 1957; Written Answer* 7 MARCH 1958 Written Answers 359#

Departmental Catering on (ii) Construction of a low in* Railways come group rest house at Pathan­ kot at an estimated cost of 949. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Rs. 150 lakhs to be financed Minister of Railways be pleased to jointly by the Central Govern­ state: ment and the Punjab Govern­ (a) the total earnings from ment. Departmental catering on the Indian (iii) Provision of transport Railways during the period 1st April facilities at Pathankot for the to 31st December, 1957; Kulu Valley at an estimated cost (b) the total expenditure on such of Rs. 0 40 lakhs to be financed catering during the same period; and . by the Punjab Government. (c) the total loss, if any, incurred In regard to (i) the Jammu and on Departmental catering during that Kashmir Government are not willing period? to contribute anything towards its cost. The Punjab Government have The Deputy Minister of Railways not yet indicated their willingness to (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) share the cost. As regards (ii) and Rs. 1,33,60,000. (iii) the schemes form part of the State Plan and are to be executed by (b) Rs. 1,38,85,000. them. (c) Rs. 5,25,000. 2. The State Government have Note: The figures are provisional opened a tourist bureau at Pathankot and unaudited. for which the Government of India grant a subsidy amounting to half the Tourist Centre at Pathankot cost of running the bureau. A sub­ 941. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the sidy of Rs. 6,000/- was offered to the Minister of Transport and Communi­ Government of Punjab on this cations be pleased to state. account for the year 1957-58. (a) the steps taken so far to make Quarters for P. & T. Employees in Pathankot a tourist centre; and Punjab Circle 942. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the (b) the money allotted for the Minister of Transport and Communi­ same during 1957-58? cations be pleased to state: The Minister of State in the Minis­ fa) the total number of quarters try of Transport and Communications constructed for the Post and Tele­ (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) and (b). graph Employees in the Punjab Pathankot in itself has no important Circle since partition; tourists attractions and hence cannot be made a tourist centre. As it (b) the number likely to be cons­ serves as a base for tourists visiting tructed during 1958-59; and Kashmir, Dalhouside, Kulu and Kan- (c) the number of employees not gra Valleys and Himachal Pradesh, yet provided with quarters? the following provisions have been made in the Second Five Year Plan The Minister of State in the Minis­ for tourism:— try of Transport and Communications (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) 597 units. (i) Construction of a high class (b) 252 units. rest house at Pathankot at an estimated cost of Rs. 2*50 lakhs (c) The number of employees who to be financed jointly by the have not been provided with quarters Central Government, Punjab is 11,265. The number of employees, Government and the Jammu and who have applied for quarters Is not Kashmir Govammant. available. ' 3593 Written A nsw ers ? MARCH 1954

Small-pox la Delhi fyrora x h t A #>_ #>-1 w nw T MS. Shri O. C. ShArma: Will the Minister of Health be pleased to state: t * * . t o f«r • «wt »srwwT itfnTTr ^ rrr fa : (a) the total number of small-pox cases in Delhi during 1957-58; (* ) A farft **r (b) whether any deaths have been reported during the same period; (w) 5RTT ^ T W %cft (c) the number of vaccination I ’ centres operating in Delhi; and

(d) whether small-pox vaccine is tsnu ffti («ft wo *o manufactured in India? «n»m) («f ) i The Minister of Health (Shri Kar­ markar): (a) and (b) The number of (^r) qspnffa xfrsnn A cases and deaths from small-pox m 3'T A A f a Delhi during 1957 and 1958 are given % *?

(a) the total quantity of rice which ( * ) TOT W? *f? 0 T Government purchased in Andhra Pradesh during 1957; TTs* 3prr?T fir#) #

Tiie Minister of State in the Minis­ modities (Amendment) Act, 1&57 had try of Transport and Communications been passed; (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) to (c). So (b) how much was requisitioned far as Government are aware, no new shipping company has yet been from Andhra Pradesh; established with headquarters in (c) the prices paid for each variety Bombay to operate a shipping ser­ and commodity; and vice on the West coast of India. It is, however, understood that M/s. Bom­ (d) the basis on which these prices bay Mariners Private Ltd. proposed were determined? to float a new shipping company, to be called Victory Steam Navigation The Deputy Minister of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) Company Ltd., with an authorized capital of Rs. 5 crores for operation The quantities of foodgrains requisi­ in the coastal trade and that Shri tioned by or on bahalf of the Gov­ J. M. Akahaney, Managing Director ernment of India are as follows:— of the Bombay Mariners Private Ltd., Rice Approximately 1,06,000 tons. is understood to be the chief sponsor of the new company. Gram Approximately 16,000 tons. Arrival of Trains at Delhi (b) About 99,400 tons of rice. 951. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: (c) A statement giving the infor­ Will the Minister of Railways be mation is placed on the Table of pleased to state: Lok Sabha.. [See Appendix IV, annexure No. 72] (a) what is the percentage of trains (d) In the absence of an agreed or arriving at Delhi at the scheduled controlled price, the prices were fix­ time during each of the .last 3 ed with reference to the average of months; and the prices for three preceeding (b) the number of times the Ajmer months, in accordance with the pro­ Express arrived at Delhi in time dur­ visions of Section 3(3A) of the Act. ing the same period? The prices of rice requisitioned sub­ sequent to the introduction 'of control The Deputy Minister of Railways prices were fixed with reference to (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) The the control prices in force from time percentage of trains arriving Delhi to time. Junction right time during Novem­ ber, 1957, to January, 1958, is as Concession in Railway Freights under: November ’57 67% 953. Shri R. L. Reddy: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to December '57 63% state: January ’58 65% (b) There is no Ajmer express (a) whether it is a fact that ex­ train. Presumably the train referred porters of betel leaves, plantain to is No. 14 Ajmer-Delhi Passenger leaves etc. from Andhra Pradesh to train. This train arrived Delhi right other States in the Indian Union are time on 34 occasions during the put to heavy loss because they are period in question. not allowed concession in railway freight charges as in the case of fruits Requisitioning of Foodgrains and vegetables; 952. Shri Ball Reddy: Will the Min­ (b) the steps Government propose ister of Food and Agriculture be to take to mitigate their, loss; and pleased to state: (c) whether Government propose (a) the quantity of foodgrains re> giving the exporters of betel leaves qjpisitioned after the Essential Com­ and pltjitaia leaves the same Written Answers 7 MARCH 1958 Written Answers

sion m freight charges as u being al­ Orissa near Astarang area in the dis­ lowed m the case of perishable arti­ trict of Pun, and cles like fruits and vegetables’ (b) whether the State Government The Deputy Minister of Railways of Orissa has drawn the attention of (Shri Shahnawaz Khan) (a) Gov­ the Union Government to this effect? ernment have no information whether The Deputy Minister of Food and exporters of betel leaves, plantain Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): leaves, etc from Andhra Pradesh to (a) and (b) The attention of the other States m the Indian Union are Government of India was drawn put to heavy loss and the loss, if through a copv of the letter which any, is because lower freight charges the Orissa Government had address­ are not levied in the case of these ed to the West Bengal Government on commodities as for fruits and vege­ the subject Government of India tables are making enquiries from the West (b) Does not arise Bengal Government but have not received any final reply (c) No such proposal is under consideration The. matter was how* ver, discuss­ ed in the meeting of the Eastern Level Crossing at Gudur Railway Zonal Council at Patna on 23rd Station Janudiy 1958 The question was 954 Shri R L. Reddy Will the Min whether Orissa had any legal right to ister of Railways be pleased to state lease out fishery rights in the sea coast and if so up to what limit It (a) whether it is a fact that tht was suggested by the Chairman vehicular tiaJflc is held up at the (Union Home Minister) that the mat­ North level crossing of Gudur Rul ter might be discussed between the way Station Southern Railway dut Goveinments of Orissa and West to shunting operations and tram for Bengal mations and Foreign Shipping Trade (b) if so what steps Government pioposc to take in the mattei > 956 Shri M Elias Will the Mims- tci of Transport and Communications The Deputy Minister of Railways lit pleased to state (Shri Shahnawaz Khan) (a) Yes Sir theie is a ceitam amount of hold (a) what pticentage of the foreign up of road tiaffk at this level cross­ shipping trade is controlled by foreign ing which lies at mile 84/20-21 at tht controlled firms noith end of Gudur Station Yaid ” (b) how. many shipping agent firms (b) With a view to relieve the ait Indian controlled, congestion a proposal to construct a (c) how many foreign controlled toad over-bridge is under investiga sh iping lines touch Indian ports tion in consultation with the State every year, Government (d) how many British controlled Fishing fi eight brokers are there in Calcutta at present jyjd 955. Shri Panigrahi Will the Min­ ister of Food and Agriculture be (e) how do they really help the pleased to state business’ (a) whether Government is aware The Minister of State in the Minis­ that fishing vessels of West Bengal try of Transport and Communications Government are violating the fishmg (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) It is pre­ rights of the Orissa State Govern- sumed that the Member wants to by fishing in the seaco*st of know the share of the foreign ship­ yfjot Written Answers 7 MARCH IMS Written Answers ping companies m India’s overseas down at the platform and are often trades If so, it may be stated that harassed for tickets’ while no precise information in this regard is available, it has been rough­ The Deputy Minister of Railways ly estimated that about 6 per cent (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) Yes,Sir of India’s foreign trade is carried in The original proposal to provide a foot-over-bridge across the whole Indian ships, the balance being ear­ ned m foreign ships yard was revised on reconsideration and it was decidcd to provide the (b) to (e) The required informa­ foot-bridge from the South side upto tion is not readily available, but the island platform only as there is a efforts are being made to collect subway from the island platform to­ them as far as possible It is, how­ wards north ever, felt that the time and labour involved in collecting such detailed (b) The public who pass by that information from various authorities bridge for going to the other side may not be commensurate with the have to get down at island platform result likely to be achieved and use the sub-way There is no Import of eggs from East Pakistan complaint received regarding harass­ ment of passengers by ticket exa­ 957. Shri Raghnnath Singh* Will the miners Minister of Food an# Agriculture be pleased to state: Assistant Commercial Inspectors on the N.E. Railway (a) whether it is a fact that about one million eggs are being imported 959. Shri Yadav- Will the Minister into India from East Pakistan only of Railways be pleased to refer to the in winter season, and reply given to Starred Question No 732 on 3rd December, 1957 (b) if so, what is the annual import regarding selection of Assistant Com­ of eggs from East Pakistan9 mercial Inspectois on the N E Rail­ The Deputy Minister of Food and way and state when the promised Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas). statement will be laid on the Table’ (a) 8 6 crore eggs were imported from East Pakistan during October 1955 to The Deputy Minister of Railways March 1956 and 81 crores during (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): The mat­ corresponding period ,in 1956-57 ter is still under consideration and a Statement will be laid on the Table (b) 1955—13 9 crores of the Lok Sabha shortly 1956—13 4 crorcs Central Institute of Study and Research Foot- over-Bridge at Sonepur

958. Pandit D. N. Tiwary: Will the 960. Dr Ram Subhag Singh: Will Minister of Railways be pleased to the Minister of Community Develop­ state ment be pleased to refer to his reply to the debate m the Lok Sabha on the (a) whether Government are aware 29th July 1957 on Demand for Grants that the foot-over budge at Sonepur relating to the Ministry of Community (North Eastern Railway) has been Development for the year 1957-58 and constructed only upto the island plat­ state form although the decision was to c o w the whole platform and the (a) whether the Central Institute of lines, and study and Research on Community (b) whether Government are aware Development has since been opened; that public who pass by that bridge for going to the other side had to get (b) if so, where; and W ritten Answer* 7 MARCH 1958 Written Answ ers 3604

(e) since when that Institute has (b) 20,680 approximately been functioning? (c) Yes, Sir It is proposed to set The Minister of Community Deve­ up a cattle colony m the suburb of lopment (Shri S. K. Dey): (a) Not Delhi where 3000 milch animals with yet, but it is hoped to open the Insti­ their young stock and owners will tute within the next three months be accommodated (b) Mussoone (d) Pending establishment of the (c) Does not arise cattle colon}, every effort is being made by the local bodies concerned Bridge on River Digaru to ensure that sanitary and hygienic conditions are maintained m the 961. Shrimati Maflda Ahmed: Will dairies Necessary action is taken the Minister of Transport and Com­ agdinst the defaulters under the pro­ munications be pleased to state visions of the Punjab Municipal Act. (a) whether it is a fact that cross­ In addition to this, the New Delhi ing of foot traffic and transport of Municipal Committee has under con­ other essential commodities over the sideration a proposal for the cons­ River Digaru on Lahit Valley Road truction of temporary cattle byres at to and fiom the District Head Offices certain sites to house unauthorised at Tezu is doi.e by elephants and dairies m hygienic conditions till vehicular traffic over the River re such time as the cattle colony is mains suspended during ramy sea­ established sons, and Thefts on Railways (b) if so, whether Government have any proposal to construct an all wea­ 963 Shri Madhusudan Rao: Will ther Bridge over the River’ the Minister of Railways be pleased The Minister of State in the Minis­ to state try of Transport and Communications (a) how many cases of wagon (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) Yes bri aking and theft of properties were reported during the years 1956 and (b) It is proposed to construct an 1957 on the ; all weather Budge over the river The design of the bridge is undei (b) the total value of properties lost preparation and the work will be during these years as a result thereof; undertaken during the current plan and if sufficient funds are available (c) whether Government are consi­ Dairies in Delhi dering any steps to ensure greater safety of the properties’ 962. Shri B. C. MulUck: Will the Minister of Health be pleased to state The Deputy Minister of Railways (a) the number of dairies in Delhi, (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) and (b) A statement is laid on the Table (b) the total number of cattle m of the Lok Sabha \See Appendix IV, Delhi, annexure No 73] (c) whether there is any proposal to (c) With a view to guarding against shift the dames beyond the municipal such thefts the Railway Administra­ limits, and tions are already adopting preventive (d) whether there is any interim measures some of which are given proposal to improve the sanitary and below— hygienic condition of these dairies9 (1) double nvettmg and EJP. The Minister o f Health (Shri Kar- locking of wagons containing nuttka*): (a) 3718. valuable commodities; $$05 Written Answers 7 MARCH 1958 Written Ansttrera

(ii) escorting of goods trains by (c) On the Central Railway the armed personnel of Railway Pro­ booking of through passengers is tection Force in the Crime-affect­ heavier than on the Western Rail­ ed area; way.

(iii) patrolling of vulnerable Two shifts are adequate at the sections by Railway Protection Western Railway booking office. Force. (d) At Dadar Jn. (Western Rail­ (iv) enlisting active co-opera­ way) 3Dn/4Up Frontier Mail, 25Dn/ tion of the Railway and District 26Up Deluxe trains and 43Dn/44Up Police to deal with criminals who Flying Ranee do not stop. At Dadar are found or suspected to be res­ (Central Railway) Deccan Queen ponsible for theft from wagons. docs not stop. (v) deputing detective staff of (e) The halts are determined by the Railway Protection Force to operating and traffic considerations. unearth gangs believed to be Nagardevla Railway Station operating in particular areas. 965. Shri Jadhav: Will the Minister (vi) surprise raid organised of Railways be pleased to state: jointly by the Government Rail­ way Police and the Railway Pro­ (a) what is the daily sale of tickets tection Force on the hide outs of at the Nagardevla Railway Station on known criminals and on receivers the Central Railway; of stolen property. (b) whether it is a fact that there Dadar Railway Station is no platform, no shed and no waiting room on the station; and 964. Shri Jadhav: Will the Minister (c) when the work is likely to be of Railways be pleased to state: taken*up? (a) what is the monthly booking on the Central and Western Railways at The Deputy Minister of Railways the Dadar Railway Station; (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Ap­ proximately 250 tickets. (b) whether it is a fact that there (b) There are two rail level plat­ are three shifts of the booking clerks forms without roofing. A waiting on the Central Railway booking office, hall is also provided. The volume while there are only two shifts on the of upper class traffic dealt with at Western Railway booking office; this station does not justify the pro­ (c) if so, the reasons therefor; vision of an upper class waiting room. (c) There is no proposal, at pre­ (d) whether it is a fact that mail sent. to cover the platform. Pro­ trains do not stop on the Western Rail­ posals for providing further amenities way while the Central Railway have at this station will be placed before a stop on the Dadar Station; and the Railway Users Amenities Com­ • (e) if so, why? mittee for their consideration for in­ clusion in the Works Programme for The Deputy Minister of Railways 1959-60. (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a). The inonthly booking at Dadar station on Goods-shed and Platform at Charkhl tbe Central and Western Railways is Dadri Station approximately 358,000 and 652,000 966. Shri Ram Kishan: Will the Min­ respectively, inclusive of main-line ister of Railways be pleased to state: jjtesjjjftngers as well as suburban pas- (a) whether Government have re-, Y w , ceived any representation trow th| WMe* Answers 7 MABCH 2958 Written Aimom public of Charkhi Dadri, for the cons- m s w fr tifr aft ftprr tructlon of a goods-shed and provision •of a covering over the platform; and i ***$ t e n ftgT 11 (b) if so, the action taken by Gov- -eminent in this direction? ^5it % into wwr«fr Hie Deputy Minister of Railways irrr aRrft, fr

fo m t Act In Tripura in 1857-58 so fir;

Tk© Deputy Minister of Food and f c i # tngrair nt) t Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) 1,048 cases have been detected ( * ) 3f t 5 T,

(b) 721 cases so far (c) Yes (*r) ^ *r vfawT mwK «n: (d) Partly due to heavy influx of refugees, many of whom earn liveli­ S T r f t o s w m t i f t hood by selling Forest Produce and t f t 7 J P P & f w t WJ WTifoW f«RT w partly due to the mcreased patrolling «TT, SF f a t r £ by forest staff *ft^T7 v f s p r n T f iw r Minister of Transport and Communi­ ^qr^FT p ft | cations be pleased to state * F W T S if t (a) the places within Assam Circle # wF^nfl ?ftr where new Telephone Connections IT If *nff/TT 5f t i t u ? ! # have not been provided so far, 3HFT TFPpC V «fi'8T (b) whether Tripura is one of such ^ s * t i t places, and » n f?< ir ^ s r n f t *r4t i q r (c) if so, the reasons for not provid­ ?r ing the connections9 *T?rfcT # N *?T *n f« iT r t t * ?r The Minister of State In the Minis­ i f t w «ft i f m w m t f n try of Transport and Communications \ q-Kvs s sft v f o - (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) New Tele­ phone connections are being given at V m *ta?r »rnfr ^ m ft *m t « ft all places where telephone facilities v t f » m ft ^ r i 3rr s t f t i exist as f*r as it is technically feasi­ »nfnfr f^rr ^ ble. * * f t »r*ft t • (b) There is a 300 line exchange at AgaxtaSa in Tripura and telephone Supply of Foodgrains Seeds 4ttnnactloas are being given as far as ^technically feasible. 974. Shri Daljit Singh: WiU the Minister of Food and Agrioftltnre b t (e) XDoea not ar)st. pjHsaaed to state the quantity ef, seed* g ift Wf&t*n Answers 7 MARCH 1058 WrittenAnswers ol various foodgrains suppled to (c) The total number of essential Himachal Pradesh during the year staff for whom the quarters are 29B7T required is 320 The Deputy Minister of Food and Agriculture (8hri A. ML Ihomu): 115 N.E.S. and C.D. Blocks maunds of wheat seed were supplied 977. Shri Kallha Singh: Will the to Himachal Pradesh during the year Minister of Community Development 1957 tor multiplication purposes at be pleased to state their Seed Multiplication Farms (a) what was the total allocation of Highways la Himachal Pradesh funds to a Community Project of 1952- 53 series and how the amount differed 975. Shri Daljit Singh: Will the from the reduced provision per block Minister of Transport and Communi­ in N E S projects of 1953-54 series and cations be pleased to state further reduced provisions m later years, (a) the number of road bridges pro­ posed to be constructed on National (b) what is the overall reduction of Highways during the Second Five Year v-he cost of a block of the latest series Plan m Himachal Pradesh, and from that of 1952-53 series, (b) the names of such road bridges and the amount to be spent on them? (c) whether there has been corres­ ponding reduction m the cost of staff The Minister of State in the Minis­ buildings and jeep and other equip­ try of Transport and Communications ments, and (Shri Raj Bahadur), (a) and (b) A statement giving the required infor­ (d) if so, the figures m detail and mation is attached [See Appendix the percentage of reduction7 IV, annexure No 74] The Minister of Community Deve­ Railway Staff Quarters at Ferosepur lopment (Shri S K Dey)* (a) to (d) A statement is laid on the Table of 976 Sardar Iqbal Singh Will the of the Lok Sabha [See Appendix IV, Minister of Railways be pleased to annexure No 75] state (a) whether it is a fact that there Wireless and Telegraph Services is a proposal for the construction of on N L Rly. residential quarters during 1958-59 and 1959-60 for the Railway Staff at 978. Shri Sarju Pandey. Will the Ferozepore, Minister of Railways be pleased to state (b) the amount proposed to be sanc­ tioned for the construction of quarters (a) what is the average annual ex­ for 1958-59, and penditure of Wireless and Telegraph (c) the number of essential staff for Services in North Eastern Railway whom the quarters are needed? (separately), and Hie Deputy Ministerof Railways (b) what is the out-turn of Wireless (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Yes, Sir, and Telegraph Services (separately)? 24 quarters are proposed to be con­ structed at Ferozepore m 1958-59 As The Deputy Minister of Railways far as Works Programme for 1959-60 (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) is concerned, the same is yet to be Rs 2,40,000 for Wireless Services and iaalise* Rs 24,40,000 for Telegraph. A,sum & 0*89 lakh has been (b) 3,24,000 messages on Wireless Provided in the Budget for 1908-59. and 77,00,900 on Telegraph. I Written A rum en 7 MARCH 1988 Written Anstftcro

Bond Credit Grow More Food Schemes 999. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the 981. Sardar. Iqbal Sinfh: Will the Minister of Food and Africvltare be Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state: pleased to state the amounts of cen­ tral grants allocated to various States (a) whether there has been any during 1957-58, under the various shortfall in the loans and subsidies schemes of Grow More Food? given by the Central Government for The Deputy Minister of Food and rural credit to the various States dur­ Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): A ing 1957-58; statement giving the required infor­ mation is appended. [See Appendix (b) if so, by what amount; and IV, annexure No. 76.] (c) the reasons therefor? Roads in Punjab The Deputy Minister of Food and 982. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) Minister of Transport and Communi­ For expanding Rural Credit, the cations be pleased to state the total Central Government and the National amount allotted during 1957-58 for Co-operative Development and Ware­ the construction of C.P.W.D. roads housing Board sanctioned to State in Punjab? Governments in 1957-58 a loan and a subsidy of Rs. 128*254 lakhs and The Minister of State in the Minis­ Rs. 22*44 lakhs respectively. The try of Transport and Communications amounts likely to be sanctioned during (Shri Raj Bahadur): The only road the current financial year are as being constructed by Central Public follows: Works Department in Punjab is ‘Tathankot-Jammu road” which lies Loans—Rs. 121*746 lakhs. partly in Punjab and partly in Jammu Subsidies—Rs. 70*00 lakhs. and Kashmir State. The allotment for the entire road is Rs. 9*13 lakhs during 1957-58. A shortfall in the loans and subsi­ dies for rural credit could be assessed Shed and Platform at Malout Station only after the close of the financial year. 983. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to (b) and (c). Do not arise. state:

Central Godowns In Punjab (a) whether it is a fact that the passengers at Malout Railway station 980. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the ere greatly inconvenienced for want Minister of Food and Agriculture be of a shed on the platform; and pleased to state the stock position of foodgrains in the central godowns in (b) if so, whether Government pro­ .'Punjab in the months of December pose to provide a shed there? 1957, January and February, 1958? The Deputy Minister of Railways The Deputy Minister of Food and (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) No Such Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): complaint from passengers has been The stock position at the beginning received. ■of each month was as follows:— (b) There is a proposal to provide December 1957 .. 3,459 tons a cover over the platform during 1909- • January 1958 .. 8,448 tons 60 but in view of the shortage of steel etc. it may not be possible to catty February 1958 .. 3,214 tons. out Hm wotk in that year. Written A i* a * r* 7 MARCH i m Writ*** Atwtwrs

Electric Supply la IMU connections during May, 1957 to Janu­ ary, 1958 in Delhi; and 984. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the (b) the number of applications Minister of Irrigation and Power be entertained and the number of those pleased to refer to the reply given to still pending? Unstarred Question No. 20 on the 15th May, 1957 and state: The Minister of Irrigation and. Power (Shri S. K. Patil): (a) and (b). (a) the number of applications re­ The required information is given ceived for electric power and light below:—

Number of Number of Number of applications applications applications reuived entertained pending (sanctioned)

Lighting 14,467 13,339 i ,l ?8 Power 6,736 5,139 *,597

Electric Locomotives functioning in Punjab, Bombay, Uttar Pradesh, Kerala, Andhra Pradesh and Shri Raghunath Singh: Madhya Pradesh. Information from (Shri S. C. Samanta: Madras, Mysore and West Bengal is I^Shri S. M. Banerjee: awaited. (b) A few States are giving grant- Will the Minister of Railways be in-aid to the Societies for meeting a pleased to state: part of the capital expenditure. Pre­ (a) whether it is a fact that 10 broad ference is also given to them in the gauge Japanese electric locomotives matter of grant of loans. have been ordered by the Railway (c) Comparative assessment of Board for India for the use of Indian results has not been made. Railways; and (b) if so, the price of each locomo­ Mis-use of Alarm Chains tive? 987. Shri Daljit Singh: Will the The Deputy Minister ot Railways Minister of Railways be pleased to (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Yes. state: (b) £67,200 each (F.O.B.). (a) the number of incidents of pul­ ling of alarm chains on trains on the Irrlgational Co-operative Societies Northern Railway in the year 1957-58; and 986. Shri B. S. Murthy: Will the Minister of Community Development (b) whether the number of alarm be pleased to state: chain pulling cases is on the increase on Northern Railway? (a) the names of the States where Irrigational Co-operative Societies are The Deputy Minister of Railways functioning in the N.E.S. Blocks and (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) There Community Development Blocks; were 8,190 incidents during the period April 1957 to January, 1958. (b) the special facilities provided to these societies; and (b) There has been an increase in the number of incidents, compared (;) the comparative results of the with the previous year. functioning of these Co-operatives? Railway Concessions The Minister of Community Deve­ lopment (Shri S. K. Dey): (a) Irri­ 988. Shri Daljit Singh: Will the gational Co-operative Societies are Minister of Railways be pleased to $ 6 1 7 Wrtttm Am in t i 7 MARCH 1918 W W M t o n t m state whether Government have any like Government foodgcains, perish* proposal to start seasonal ntum ables, traffic for Congress Session tickets on Diwali and Baisakhi Festi­ etc. vals? (b) Accumulation of traffic on The Deputy Minister of Railways various sections of North Eastern Rail­ (Shri Shahnawas S lu u ): Concessional way east of Gorakhpur and east of Return Tickets are proposed to be Bhatm primarily as a result of heavy granted during Diwalx holidays, but movement of foodgrains to scarcity not during Baisakhi areas of east U P and North Bihar. (c) A list is attached. [See Appen­ (fw w w srfcr $ 5m*q dix IV, annexure No 77 ] £ *£ . Iw : m wwr am Co-operative Farming fftr ^ ^ fqT fr 991. Shri B. S. Murthy: Will the f^RTVT 5T%5T # 'TT^T %ftK 3 Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state* * art swm fr* t >PTT q f r w m | ’ (a) the progress made by various States m regard to co-opcrative farm­ mm ?wt fftr («ft wo *o ing during 1957-58, and WWW)

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But I would like to know who are Mr. Speaker: Cut motions will take all the Members who have not spoken care of themselves. I will put them -at all since they were elected to this to the vote. I am not bound to call House every hon Member who tables cut motions There are as many as 550 Shri Neswi (Dharwar South) I have cut motions not spoken ( ^ t ) : Mr. Speaker: Till now, after the irftor, ^ Ms* | 1 1957 elections7 f o r Shrimati Reno Chakravartty (Basir- tiat) Only this session TOT t ^ ?fr T3TPT TSTT I Shri Neswi: No, m this term, in the second Parliament Mr Speaker: I have called every State—no bilkul here Mr. Speaker: There is no meaning Shri P. R. Patel: You have bren in not giving an opportunity to Mem­ pleased to call every State But the bers who have not opened their lips Bombay State is composed of three If they wanted to catch my eye and States they were not able to do so, I shall certainly give them an opportunity Mr. Speaker* I shall bear that in now First of all, I will have a list mind of such persons who have not spoken at all since they were elected Then I Shri D. R Chavan: Each region will will have a list of those who have not require representation spoken during this session Thirdly, there will be a list of those who ha\e Mr. Speaker* Does the third State not spoken during the Railway Bud­ include Vidarbha? get debate Shri Thirumala Rao (Kakmada): In rising to speak on this conven­ Some Hon. Members rose— tional motion of a cut on the Railway Board, I want to offer a few remarks Mr. Speaker: I am not going to which may be characterised as of a commit to memory the names Hon. mostly local nature But still, consi­ Membeis will kindly send chits dering the agitation created m the minds of the people against so many Shri P. R. Patel (Mehsana) I have accidents, I think it is but proper that sent my name I should begin my speech with a few suggestions and give the reactions m Mr. Speaker: I am going to note my mind to these things that have down the names During the rest of been happening for a certain period the debate, I will give top priority to over the railways those hon Members who have not -spoken at all since they were elected; The problem of accidents has bom after that list is exhausted, I will give engaging the anxious attention of the opportunity to those who have not authorities and has been the subject spoken during this session; after that of strong criticism in this House, in list is exhausted, will come those who the Press and among the public I hare not spokenduring this Railway wish to say that however much w* Budget debate. Then otherswill may pay attention to this aspect oC the question, as long as the humaa Demands for Grants- 7 MARCH 1958 Railways

[Shri Thirwnala Rao] element is there and continues to be people into whose hands the safety of what it is, accidents are bound to hap- the running of this whole organisa- pen. But what the public wants to tion is entrusted. know is wh-ether all humanly possible precautions have been taken, whether In this report of the Railway Acci- proper lessons have been derived from dents Enquiry Committee and also the experience of what has happened the report of the Railway Board before and suitable action is taken. which shows the action sought to be The failure of the human element- taken or has been taken, there is not inadequate attention paid by the run- much of encouragement. Much re- ning staff-is said to be on'e of the mains to be done with regard to main reasons for these accidents. seeing that the standard of efficiency of these workers is maintained at a certain minimum level. The total number of accidents in 1956-57 is 9543 which is slightly less For instance, the refresher courses than the previous year's but which that; are asked to be given to all these is the major head which accounts for people are not at all properly provid- them? It is ac<;jdents due to failure ed for. We see from page 13 of this· of 'engines owing to faulty material, r eport, taking the average yearly workmanship, and operation arising number of guards that receive· from the working of the running refresher courses, that it is 194 against staff. And the accidents that could be 2,652. This is on the Eastern Railway. traced directly to the lapses of the The existing arrangements, therefore, running staff rose from 1,963 in 1955- give a guard a refresher course once· 56 to Z,220 in 1956-57. in 13 years and an Assistant Station Master, once in 13 years and a points- 12-20 hrs. man, once in every 33 years.

[PANDIT THAKUR DAS BHARGAVA in the It is admitted that pointsmen, most Chair] of them, are not trained at all. They are recruited and they learn their- Sir, it is admitted that the lowering work by joining the gangs and learn- in quality, of experience and effi- ing the work with the other points- ciency of the running staff is mainly men. This is the state of affairs. And, due to this. It has been admitted on I think, the Railway Board should the floor of this House that engine pay proper attention and see that drivers have been promoted to their more training schools are started and places without sufficient experience more refresher courses are given t<> of running-a certain number of all the sections of their staff so that minimum hours- an engine. These the incidence of these accidents may quick promotions have been the bane be minimised as much as possible. of all round inefficiency in all walks ~f administration since independence Then, for class IV staff, like shunt- has come. It has been the complaint ing porters, pointsmen and others, in Defence; it has been the com- there are no training courses to learn plaint in the ordinary administration; their work. They learn their work and the railway administration also by seeing the staff actually at work. cannot escape this general distemper There is everywhere an all round which has been brought about in the .lowering of standards. It is time we wake of independence, because we see that we maintain certain mini- had to fill up a large number of high- mum standards in all these things. er grade posts with men insufficient- We have seen that sufficient number- ly trained. But, that can be remedied of qualified technical personnel could by having some refresher course, by not be recruited by the Railway Board. insisting on certain minimum stand- They have said that out of 12,2!)7 ards of qualifications for all those posts, they could fill only 9,587 posts, 5 D w »w d i^ r

[Shn Thirumala Rao] port folio to Defence and the then ces. There are large deposits and •Chairman of the Railway Board, who they are nearer Vizag port. The dis­ •ha* now got his value for his experi­ tance between these two places J* ence in a private concern, thought fit 189 miles while the distance between -to write down this within a few Rourkela and Vizag is 463 miles. -«n>nth* of our quitting the scene: The Therefore, they formed the opinion whole scheme was untenable and that the ores from these mines could ^ p r acticable When the Minister be loaded at Vizag port liked it and wanted it, it was pract­ icable, and when the Minister quitted Vizag is so much congested that -the scene and the other Deputy there were at a time eighteen ships Minister went out of office, out of standing in the waters for being view altogether from this House, it cleared When they could not clear was left to the permanent official to the ships, some were diverted to *ay what he liked and to shelve the Kakmada port and they were cleared whole thing at the rate of 4,000 tons a day In­ This is a question of importance vestigations are going on m the 'This is a intermediate port I am Transport Ministry with regard to going to develop a further argument the possibilities of developing Kaki­ why it is important, in the present nada Port It has got a good hinter­ circumstances There is a history land and rail road and canal com­ "behind this Kakmada is a port munications extending from Kaki­ which was visited by two or three nada to Madras—a distance of 400 junior Ministers Shn Santhanam miles All the three are running 4iad heen there, Shn Alagesan was parallel It caters to the two river there when he was m the Railway basins, Godavari and Krishna That and Transport Ministry, and, my is the rice bowl of Andhra If you friend, Shn Raj Bahadur was recent­ want to develop trade and industry ly there on November, 14 to under­ and have a prosperous port between stand the possibilities of this port I Calcutta and Madras, a port which moved a resolution when I was in the has got all the equipments and a good -Council of State m 1947 that this hinterland, there is the Kakmada port has got all the possibilities of a port major port and it has been reported from their experience by the Port Shri Pamgrahi (Pun) Paradip Officers of the Madras Port Now, we are trying to export two million tons Shri Thirumala Rao: I am not of iron ore to Japan Here is a report standing against Paradip but I thmk -of a committee published m the it is a village, not even a town It Htndu which my hon friend Shn has to be developed much longer Xanungo has not wholly accepted as correct But still as far it goes and For the development of the Kaki­ to far as it concerns my area, it nada port, it was estimated at 1947 appears to be correct The export of that an amount of Rs 2 crores was iron ore forms one of the major sufficient so that seven huge ships dollar or foreign exchange earning can be anchored and berthed Ships -commodities of this country The with 40 feet draft can be brought to Indian Government had been at it to the shore That was the report It encourage it as much as possible to may cost something more now. Even build up a good foreign trade The if the cost is trebled, with an expen­ report of that committee was partial* diture of Rs 5 or Rs 6 crores, it is ly published They have found that bound to be one of the very good the Rourkela mines cannot be ports that will help tirade and cou*- ^preferred to what is called Bastar meroe in the east Today Rs. 6 ererts rmines in the former Central Provin­ worth o i goods come and fo 9 Demand* /or Grants— Tf MARCH 1958 Railways th}s port; about 350,000 tons of cargo Telegraphs. Now I think he is better is being exported. If you accept my grounded to understand and control suggestion, it will help a good deal in this huge organisation. removing the congestion m the Vizag port. What is the condition today? We have combined this develop­ All the material required for Bhilai ment fund and amenities fund into is landed there. The export of one and utilising the development manganese and iron ore takes place. fund for other purposes. I saw this Hie mouth is so narrow and the and I found only Rs. 40 lakhs allotted bottom is rocky. If you want to to the Southern Railway. Only Rs. 3 dredge it further down, it requires crores is given to conveniences and very heavy machinery and a lot of amenities. It is very unfair. You investment. I am not against the see the history of this fund from development of Vizag. There is when it was started first It started room for development of trade, com­ with about Rs. 13 crores. When they merce and industry m both these found the money in a lump sum, the areas and so it is worthwhile for the Railway Board cast its eye on it and Government to consider the invest­ took it away to the development fund. ment of some money m bringing this One thing is good that schemes which on the main line. are not remunerative may be accounted for m the development fund and utilised. Shri Jagjivan Ram: Let the port develop. I was so much encouraged to see Kakinada’s name in the list here. Shri Thirumala Rao: The investi­ What were they doing? They are gation was over. They have issued building a cloak room for the Kaki­ orders for acquiring the land. Every­ nada town station—one of the great thing was over ITien it was stop­ developments that is taking place ped by the ukase of a high official of there It is a station through which the Railway Board. This autocratic 12 lakhs of passengers pass every power, this kingdom within a king­ year. It is worse than a cow shed. dom and this bureaucracy within a I can guarantee that to anybody who bureacuracy with its raminiflcations goes there. No money has been in the whole of the country, is too spent on this insignificant comer. The much to be controlled with a single railways may consider it insignificant Minister however powerful he may but it is one of the important places be. I have known it . . where from, I can humbly say, I too come. It has contributed several Shri Jagjivan Ram: Speaking from other Members of Parliament . . . experience! (Interruptions) and Ministers. Shri Thirumala Rao: I speaK; I Shri Jagjivan Ram: That is import­ know from experience. I should like ant. to say one word. A doctor said that death by drowning was the most Shri Thirumala Rao: That is not cruel death A patient asked: “Have the point . . (Interruption?) you died’ He said: “No; I have You must remember that there is others’ experience.” Therefore, I something in the place, in Bihar have gained by others’ experience, which sends Shri Jagjivan Ram That others who have been Ministers m also you must remember. You do not the Railway Board and m the Rail­ forget. This is not such an unim­ ways. They can think of no way in portant place. It is a place with vast thip vast sea of this organisation. But commerce, industry and agriculture. I know our Minister Shri Jagjivan I do not know if the General Manager Ram ha« more experience. He has of the Southern Railway has ever Sa*wd through the mill of Posts and gone to Kakinada. 3641 Demand* for Grant*— 7 1IABCH 1888 Railway* 3643

Shri Jagjivan Bun: X will send the is happening is, with the rising tempo General Manager there. it has become very difficult to hold any person responsible for anything Shri Thiramala Rio: That will be that happens in that particular sec­ one more officer but I can wait. When tion. we have waited so long for Swaraj in this country, we can wait a little We had appointed an expert, Mr. more for Kakinada when I am here Appleby, and he has submitted a re­ not to allow you to overlook this port in which we find that he has thing. made a very important observation. He has said: Shri Goray: I hope the hon. Minis­ ter will excuse me, if in my speech I “In any large organization the also refer to the railway accidents. proportion of persons willing to The railway accidents are becoming assume individual responsibility is almost an everyday occurrence. But small. The willingness is the first I want to assure the hon. Minister evidence of executive ability. The that I do not want to cavil at the building of individual responsibil­ administration. I do not want to ity contributes importantly to make either the hon. Minister or the organizational responsibility. Here, Deputy Minister or the Railway by a curious proliferation of the Board the whipping boys. But I do conceptions of parliamentary res­ want to convey to him our sense of ponsibility and Cabinet responsi­ anxiety when almost every day we bility and by reliance on excessive get news of some accident or the procedures of cross-reference there other. has been built an extraordinary evasion of individual responsibility and a system whereby everybody There is one way of looking at the is responsible for everything before accidents and that is to hold the high­ anything is done. In large and com­ er officials in the Railway Ministry plex actions no one and no system responsible. But I want to look at can be really responsible for many it from a different angle. I want the of the actions before they are ac­ Railway Minister to consider whe­ tions, even though responsible after ther these accidents are not the the fact.” result of the heavy burden that the whole railway staff has been subject­ ed to. Sir, what I find is that as you go on creating very big zones it becomes very difficult for the officers at the In this regard I would like to point top to keep personal contact with the out that the Railway Freight Struc­ staff below them, and then it becomes ture Enquiry Committee had warned very difficult to hold any particular the Railway Administration that “in person responsible for whatever hap­ the high tempo of traffic during the pens in his region or his zone. There­ Second and Third Five Year Plan fore, my request would be to try to periods these large zones will prove a see that the zones are made smaller serious handicap and will most so that the responsibilty could be fix­ seriously affect the efficiency of per­ ed on the people who are in charge formance of Railways; it is impera­ of the various zones. tive that a bold attempt be made to rectify as quickly as possible this The other point that I would like mistake”. I feel that the Railway to stress is, have you ever tried to Ministry should take this warning to assess the responsibility and the work heart and try to reduce the railway that the station masters have to per­ sobes to smaller size, so that the res­ form? I am not talking of station ponsibility for whatever happens on masters at big stations but those oo the particular zone can be fixed. What the way-side stations. They have to 3643 Demand* for Grant*— 7 MARCH 1988 Railtoays 3644

look to the passengers, they have to have paid fines in anticipation and look to the goods, they have to look snapped their fingers at the S. M. to the luggage. I have had opportuni­ ties on many occasions to see how diffi­ This is a task where, I suppose, not cult for them it is to manage the only the party which is m power but whole affair. They are so inade­ also parties which are in opposition quately staffed and they have so many must share the responsibility. I duties to perform simultaneously think that through our unions we that it becomes impossible for them must try to impress on the whole fb devote any attention to the multi­ staff, whether they are gangmen, farious responsibilities that have been workers, station masters, assistant thrown on their shoulders. station masters or clerks, that they can certainly make their demands, they can certainly ask for payments There was a time when nobody which are commensurate with the worried when the station master rise m prices but, at the same time, issued tickets. Now anybody, a they must be ready to discharge their person like me would go and say to duties which are commensurate with the station master that the window the growing tempo of the rebuilding must remain open all the 24 hours a of our nation. I suppose, if a concen­ day. If he asks me to wait, I will trated effort is made, if these people say that I won’t wait and that he must are approached in the proper spirit, issue me a ticket immediately. At if we do not allow party factions to the same time there will be some come in the way, and if we think that sort of a signal coming from the next the railway people as a whole must station. He has to keep on running face this issue boldly and they must constantly between the signal or the discharge their duties in a conscienti­ switch board, whatever they call it, ous manner, something can be done and the booking window. The same to rcduco the incidence of accidents thing happens to the other staff also. that are occurring every day. It is not a surprise that when people are over-worked like that, when they are inadequately staffed, when they This spirit of indiscipline and negli­ have to do every day about five times gence has grown to such an extent more paper work than what they that I will just submit to the hon. were doing before, so many faults Railway Minister these paper cuttings occur and we have to pay a very high that I have got in my hand. They price. refer fo the documents that have been lost from the various railway stations on the Central Railway in a period of As a consequence of this you will one year. This is not an exhaustive find that indiscipline also has grown. list at all; I just picked them at I think it will not be proper to hold random. You find there that only the Government responsible for hundreds of files have been lost, and this growing indiscipline. Let us all it has been announced in the Press face this fact that all along the rail­ that the Railways will be obliged to ways indiscipline has grown. There those people who will return these have been instances where the lower files and some sort of a prize will be staff have been fined, or when they given. I want to know, have you are likely to be fined, they go to the ever tried to understand why is it station master immediately and give that so many documents are being him a rupee or two, because it has lost almost every month? There are been laid down that beyond a parti­ particular stations—for instance, cular limit no employee can be fined. there is Wadi Bunder, Bhusaval and So they become neglectful; they do other stations—which have as it were, not mind if a rupee or two is cut from made special efforts in developing their wages. I am told that there this art of losing files. I suspect that have been instances where people there must be some sort of a racket Demands for Gf&nts— 7 MARCH 1998 Railways

[Shn Goray] behind it I think the Railway steamer, and nine pies per mile it Ministry would do well to unearth they travel by State transport Thia such rackets because if you study means that you are really exploiting this list you will find that there are the passengers there If a railway was particular types of files which are to be built, it will reduce the burden always lost, they are files either rela­ on the ordinary passenger and the ting to goods carried or to tickets that common man Not only that but il have been sold Hundreds and from Dewa to Dasgaon a railway thousands of counterfoils or receipt of 90 miles were to be built, you books have been declared as lost I will find that the concentration of think this is a matter which needs in­ industries that is taking place in vestigation Perhaps, by this leak­ Bombay will be reduced The indus­ age we are losing crores of rupees try will get dispersed and it will lead every year which should really go to to a balanced development of the the Railways whole region Also, the criterion that has been laid down by the Railways After having talked about the that any new line should be m a general issue of accidents and indisci­ position to fetch 5%, I think, will be pline I would like to touch upon cer­ satisfied So, I would once more tain aspects which are very import­ request that this Konkan Railway and ant from the point of view of the Miraj to Poona and Mira] to Latur lines should be considered favourably region from which 1 come Sir one more point and I will con­ Mr Chairman The hon Member's clude We have been told that though tune is up the Railway is not doing anything by way of developing these lines we are Shri Goray Please give me only a going to have electric railway from couplc of minutes more Bombay to Bhusaval Sir, may I say that this is the proverbial carrot So far ds Maharashtra is concerned before the donkcv 9 It is not going to —I am not talking only of the city take placc If you look to the provi­ of Poona—I think that the Railway sions in the Demands for Grants, you Ministry has not treated the region of will find that just Rs 5 lakhs have Maharashtra kindly Sir, we have been sanctioned for this year for the been asking for the last so many years so-called electr fication scheme of the that something should be done to track from Igatpun to Bhusaval Just develop the line from to be frank and tell us, Maharashtra Poona or from Miraj to Poona and is not going to be gnen anything— Mira) to Latur Similarly we have no electrification, no broad gauge, no been asking for a West Coast line i e Konkan Railway You can go on the Konkan Railway By not grant­ shouting till you are hoarse but you ing this just see what you are doing art not going to get anything” Sir, The Konkan Railway is such an essen­ this sort of hoax should not be played tial thing even from the Defencc on the people I know that you are point of view that I thought that the not going to build the Bhusaval line Railway Ministry will not grudge us All that you have said is that you will a few crores But they have told us, do something which is very necessary “No" and the hon Minister has left by way of preliminary no doubt in our mmds that no new Shri Dasappa (Bangalore) Most line will be opened But Sir I would of us are in your company like to request him once more that because there is no railway on the Shri Goray: So, I would request Konkan coast what is happening is the hon Railway Minister to at lent that the passengers have to pay 15 take up something in Maharashtra pies per mile, if they travel by and try to justify Dctnttndt for Oronrt 7 MARCH 1B58 Railways 3648

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U f »r t qpit ztit *n?ft % $q q * an In this connection the hon Minister I ’CftT- STFTt qFTt TT ^=T ^ qpft may be aware that over-crowding in trams is maximum on the Northern ft 3ft W JR STcTTf ^fPt ^fTT ®J^TTT Railway I have not been able to fa*r i trace the figures relating to last year in the papers that have been circul­ ated to Members, but looking through W3T 4 *J5T % an* ^ the figures pertaining to the year =«n^rr g 9ft fa Tts t ? s»r 1955-56 I find that the average over­ crowding in the Northern Railway is t i

[Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi] aide! I cannot see why when there are Another line to which I would three trains with air-conditioned draw the attention of the hon. Minis­ coaches running towards the south, ter is the line connecting Moga and there is none towards the north. Bhatinda. I understand his difficulties. He has got to provide lines for Roure- ^ Shri Pantgrahi: The south will de- kela and other steel plants. At pre­ dare independence. sent industries are engaging most of his attention, but the agricultural Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi: If it were development of the country too must possible; not otherwise. engage his attention. My name-sake, Shri Ajit Singh, who represented Another passenger amenity to which Bhatinda constituency took up this I would like to draw the attention of point last session. The opening of the hon. Minister is this. There are this line will do a great deal for the 613 railway stations on the Northern development of the agricultural Railway which have not got raised economy in that area which is the platforms. Again this number is the granary of Punjab. If Punjab is the maximum on the Northern Railway granary of India, this area is the when compared to the other railways. granary of Punjab. So, the develop­ Whereas on the Northern Railway ment of that line needs attention. there are 613 railway stations with­ These are the general observations I out raised platforms, we have got on have to make. the Southern Railway only 426, Cen­ tral Railway 314, Eastern Railway 292 Now I beg to draw the attention of and North-eastern Railway 596. The the Minister particularly to one provision made last year for raising matter relating to my constituency, the plaforms on the Northern Railway namely, Ludhiana district. He knows was only 25 Here again in the matter very well that this district is very of providing passenger amenities, the important industrially m Punjab. north has not got its due share, to Rather I feel it is the most important which I would draw the attention ox town; you can call it the Manchester the hon. Minister. of India. The most unfortunate thing is that there the mam town is split I now come to the question or new up from the Millarganj area by a lines. The mam line to which 1 railway line. I tabled a question and would draw the Minister's attention I asked for how many hours is the is the Jagadhari—Chandigarh—Kupar traffic closed on the grand trunk road —Ludhiana line. You must appreci­ at the railway gate that splits the ate the importance of Chandigarh m Millarganj area from the Ludhiana Punjab. We are well aware of the town. The reply was given that it colossal amounts poured into Chandi­ was closed for seven hours and 20 garh for its development. If this minutes. One thing I would say here. line is constructed, we would con­ The total working hours are generally tribute a great deal to its natural 14 to 16. The rest of the day is taken development instead of its artificial away by the sleeping hours. So, development. It is not a long line; it nearly one half of the time the gate only comprises of about 106 miles. is closed to traffic on the G.T, road. The survey was made as far back as It is not only dislocation to general two years, but we have not heard traffic but dislocation to the Miller- anything about it. Last year, my ganj area in Ludhiana city. When I friend, Shri Moolchand Jain took up questioned about it, the reply was this matter with the Deputy Minister. that the matter is under active con­ Again today I plead before him that sideration and is in consultation with it is most essential that this line the government concerned, or with should be taken up as parly as* possi­ the State Public Works Department. X ble in case the natural development request the hon. Railway Minister to of Chandigarh is desired. take note of this. Demands for Grant*— 7 MARCH 1958 Railway* 366c

Shri Jagjtvan Bam: We will ex­ Orange a perishable commodity. pedite it. It comes under the perishable list in. the railway lists. It was promised by Shri Ajlt Singh Sarhadi: I request the railway administration that while that this matter should be considered distributing the quota for wagons* urgently. It is most essential. As it adequate preference would be given, is, the queue of the cars and the for perishable articles like oranges. buses and other vehicles at the gate Still, I do not understand why this i* extends to a mile. So, I request the not being done though it is promised hon. Minister to attend to this. It is by the railway administration and by a most essential thing, and in the the Divisional Commercial Superin­ interests of justice not only to tendent at Nagpur. Ludhiana but to the industries there, the work must be expedited. Another thing that is lacking in regard to these oranges is that certain Mr. Chairman: Kumari M. Veda- types of wagons alone are to be kumari.—She is not here. Then, Shri employed for the transport of these K G. Deshmukh perishable goods, especially oranges. Shri K. G. Deshmukh (Ramtek): The main orange crop comes in dur­ ing summer and in that season a Mr. Chairman, I thank you lor the special type of wagons is needed for chance you have given me to take transporting the fruit. That is called part in this debate. I would like to make a few points regarding my ventilated wagons. This type of constituency. It is a matter of great wagon is not supplied to the traders. satisfaction that the number of If such type of a wagons are not wagons loaded has shown an increase available in sufficient quantities, X request the hon. Railway Minister to of 6 * 18 per cent over the figures shown last year, that is, during 1956- supply at least wagons with woocten 57. But, at the same time, I regret floor or something like that. At least that type of wagons should be sup­ that nothing of this increase has come plied. to the lot of the orange-growers in Nagpur. I have figures to show that no adequate quota is being given for The third thing is this. It is a very the transport of oranges from Nagpur strange aspect. It was promised to to the outside stations. the orange growers that freight will be lessened for transporting oranges. As you know, most of the Nagpur As far as bananas are concerned, I oranges are sent either to Delhi or come to know that the freight has Calcutta or Bombay from the Nagpur been reduced for the transport of station. I understand there is an bananas. But it has not been reduced Orange Advisory Board working at in the case of oranges. Both these Nagpur. The Divisional Commercial fruits come under the head, “Fruits Superintendent of Nagpur is the and Perishable goods”. But I do not Chairman of that committee or Board. understand why it has not been con­ There are some non-officials on that sidered, namely, the freight should be Board. One non-official is an impor­ reduced in the case of export of tant person and another is an M.L.A. oranges. I request the hon. Railway Both are members of that Board. Minister to attend to this aspect of They have written about it, and the the matter as early as possible. Chairman had promised to supply an adequate quota of wagons rather, a I next come to some local difficul­ certain quota, not a really adequate ties in my constituency. Amravati is quota,—for the orange growers during close to my constituency, and the hon. last year. But even 50 per cent of it Deputy Minister of Railways had was not supplied to them. This is the been there, and he knows it is the existing position in that part of the second largest city in Vidarbha. A country. railway line passes through that city. 3661 Demands /or Grants— 7 MARCH 1958 TtdltK&ys 3fite

[Shri K G Deshmukh] , For the last four years we have been him Especially, the oranges from asking for an over-bridge at that Nagpur are very famous and nearly particular point of the railway line 75 per cent of the oranges of the It was promised The budget provi­ whole country is grown m and around sion is there since the last four years Nagpur So, facilities at cheap rates B^lt I do not understand why the should be provided for export of work has not been undertaken so far these oranges from Nagpui It that is not done, it would be a national Skri Jagjlvan Ram: The State loss The oranges would perish, and Government they are grown mostly in summer season So, I request the hon Minis­ Shri K. G Deshmukh. Of course, I ter to take these facts into considera­ was asked by the then Railway Minis­ tion and help the export ter, Shri Lai Bahadur Shastn, to approach the State Government I Shri Balakrishnan (Dindigul)—Re­ approached them and they said that served—Sch Castes) Sir, I rise to they had also made a budget provi­ speak a few words about improve­ sion on their part But nobody is ment to certain railway stations and doing the work The budget provi­ construction of some new lines and on sion is there smce the last four years, some other points which are mostly in both the budgets—the Central as related to Madras State First of all, well as the State budget I do not I take the point of overcrowding know why they have not taken up the Take, for instance, the GT Expresses work yet Though the money is there and the express which runs from and the provision has been made, the Bombay to Madras From Bombay work remains to be done Every year, to Madras, there are two trains which the amount is provided and it lapses are running daily These two trams 1 therefore request the hon Minister are overcrowded because the people here, as a Member of the House, to from Andhra Pradesh and Mysore take up this work or at least initiate also go by that train So, those trains the work are always overcrowded There is a Janata Express running bi-weekly between Madras and Bombay If The other thing that I want to refer that train is run daily, overcrowding to is a passage at Narakhed on the can be reduced So, I request the Central Railway It has been pro­ hon Minister to consider the matter mised since the last four years or so, that an over-passage would be pro­ vided there It is a very minor one Now, m the GT Express, there is which they have promised to put up always overcrowding I understand I request them to do that at the parti­ that ordinary third-class coaches are cular point where the Central Rail­ going to be attached to the bi-weekly way crosses the road The absence of de luxe tram That apart, I would an over-passage there causes great request the hon Railway Minister to inconvenience to the people, because send the de luxe train daily to Madras the city is on the one side and the and back, because summer has begun people have to go to the other side and the people are prepared to travel from the city Everytime, they have by the train to cross the railway line, and it is difficult and dangerous to cross the Now we are told that the De-luxe line train is not very popular It is not very surprising I know the reason These are some of the matters for it Recently, I happened to relating to my constituency, and I travel by that tram, and I found that hope the Railway Minister will do at the seatmg arrangements are very In­ least some little things for my con­ convenient They have not got adjust­ stituency which I have put before able chairs But people from Madras 3663 Demands for Grants— 7 MARCH 1988 Railways 3 « 4

to Delhi have to travel for two days Mysore; Andhra, Kerala as well as and two nights. Scf, they must have from Tamilnad. Even then, the some relaxation. The seats must be amenities which are provided in the arranged in such a way that they can Palani station are very very inade­ relax. If adjustment of seats is made quate. Waiting rooms for second in the De-luxe trains and more ameni­ class and first class passengers are ties are given to the passengers, more very very small. So, I request the people will travel by that train. So, Minister to look into the matter and I request that this matter may. be con­ construct a puecfc nice piantform and sidered. railway station at Palani.

Then I come to the question of din­ 1 now want to say a tew things ing car. I do not know why the about the Palani municipality. It is xdining car is being detached at Kasi- a poor municipality and so it is not in pet. Originally, the dining car used a position to maintain the sanitary to go up to Madras. Now people who and other facilities to the pilgrims. are travelling Delhi to Madras are During testlval times serveral lakhs suffering in the mater of food after or people gather mere. So, the muni­ Kasipct; sometime even the M.P.S. cipality has applied to the Government become victims. After all, it is only for the introduction of terminal tax. a small matter. By sending the car 1 understand that the Madras Govern­ up to Madras, there will not be much ment has also recommended it, the loss to the Government. So, I request Hindu Religious and Charitable the Minister to be kind enough to Endowments Board has recommended send the dining car up to Madras. it. Since it is a poor municipality, I Then, not only the passengers but even request the Minister to grant them the MP.s. will be grateful to him. permission to introduce terminal tax there. I will now refer to Dmdigul junc­ Then I have to make a small request tion, which is an old junction. There on behalf of my constituency. TTCiere is no separate waiting hall for the is a small station near Dindigul called third-class passengers. The passen­ Ayyalur. Many people like milk ven­ gers are simply allowed to lie down dors, vegetable vendors, coolies go to before the booking office. So, I re­ Dindigul from Ayyalur every day in quest the Railway Board to consider the morning and return in the even­ the question of building a separate ing to their village. But there is no waiting hall for the third-class passen­ train which stops at Ayyalur. So, I gers at Dindigul. Then, due to scarci­ request the railway department to ty of water, trains starting from Din­ stop the passenger trains which come digul are delayed. So, something must from Dindigul at Ayyalur—Nos. Ill be done to improve the water supply and 112 —as it will be very helpful to position at Dindigul junction. the poor villagers. Then, 1 would like to invite the I now come to the contruction of attention of the Railway Minister to new lines. A new line between Para- a famous pilgrim centre called palani. makudi and Tuticorin or between It is very famous in . Manamadurai and Maniyachi may be Palani is very famous for its Panchart1- constructed. At present people from rithan. But there are no amenities Travancore, Nagercoil and TinnevelU, for passengers at the Palani railway if they have to go to Rameswaiam, station. The arrangements for waiting they have to travel more than 209 hall and other facilities are very very miles to Madura in the north and then poor. The railways are getting more travel to the south. If there is a line money from that station, because between Paramakudi and Tuticorin or thousands and thounsands of people between Manamadurai and Maniyachi, aim going to Palani every day from people need not go to Madura. They 3 665 Demands for Grout**— 7 MARCH 1958 ItaiUaays

[Shri Balakrishnan ] can go to Rameswaram direct. Further, They have got only 1,800 miles of if that line is constructed, there will railway lines in an area of 85,000 sq. be a railway connection from south to miles. So you can easily imagine how north up to Calcutta in the east coast. Assam is suffering from transport 1 request that at least during the difficulty. In Assam there are no Third Plan period this line may be industries or other projects because of constructed. transport bottlenecK. Regarding the Dindigul-Gudalur line, Mr. Chettiar spoke about the 1.39 hrs. importance of that line. This will be useful not only to Tamilnad but also to [M r. D e p u t y -S pe a k e r in the Chair] Kerala After partition most of the railways About the China Salrm-Kancheepu- have gone to Pakistan Then, the ram line, I understand the traffic sur­ State of Assam was isolated from the vey was made. The then Minister, rest of the country. So, you can Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri said in his imagine now it would have affected budget speech that this line will be the people of that poor State After taken up for execution But I under­ the achievement of independence, I stand that this line wan not included do not think our Government has In the 840 miles So, I request that taken keen interest in this backward this line may also be included in that State of Assam. Plan There are only thiee trains from Regarding electrification from Tam- Calcutta to Assam, and they also go baram to Villupuram, I am glad and thankful that the Minister has very slowly For about 700 miles they take 36 hours So, on an average it announced that this work will be taken comes to about 19 miles per hour. up soon. Due to scarcity of electric Therefore, the people of Assam nowa­ machinery, this work was already delayed. So, I hope that hereafter days call that tram a bullock cart. There is a line from Rangiya to Tez- this work be taken up expeditiously. pur, a distance of 100 miles The trains run at late hours and the speed Sir, Regarding the Bangalore-Salem is about 10 miles Everywhere this line, I am told that it is under the con­ is the case and I do not think the sideration of Government whether this Government is taking interest in this line should be constructed as meter- backward State There is a popular gauge or broad-guage. Since there is feeling everywhere that the people in already a broad-gauge, line there Is this State are receiving a stepmother­ no point m constructing any more new ly traeatment from the Centre That metre-guage lines So, I request the is a fact also Therefore, I request Minister to construct this line also as the hon Minister to take a keen in­ broad-guage. That will be more use­ terest about this Of course, the other ful than metre-gauge day, our Deputy Minister visited our State and I think he has been appris­ With these few remarks, I conclude ed of the difficulties felt in the State. my speech.

Shri Basumatari (Goalpara-Reserv- I have already said that this State «d-Scheduled Tribes): Mr. Chairman, of Assam is very backward and it 1 come from a State which has been cannot be compared with any other suffering from transport difficulty State in India. Every time we since the British regime. During the approach the Government for develop­ 150 years of British regime, Assam ment of this industry or that, we are has not got sufficient railway lines. told about this transport bottle-necfc 3667 Demands /o r Grant*— 7 MARCH 1958 Railways 3668

Every development work depends on tacted by the plains people. X request the transport facilities that are avail­ the hon. Minister to take up that line. able and the capacity of the railway In the Budget, they have said that to handle the traffic. I do not see there is no programme for opening up why the Government of India has not new lines. If you do not make a taken keen interest in respect of this special case in the case of this un­ State. Alter the achievement of In­ developed area, how can Assam come dependence, not an inch of railway in the same level as the other advan­ line has been constructed here. As I ced States? I request the hon. Min­ have stated, the 18,000 miles ol line ister to consider this point. still stand. I have heard many spea­ kers ask how many miles ol new lines Another line is to be opened from have been constructed. Not a single Rangapara to North Lakshimpur. inch of line has been laid on Assam. There is now only one P.W.D. road. You can imagine how we are treated. If you open up a railway line, there We appeal to the Government ol can be contact with the N.E.F.A. areas India to take an interest in Assam. easily. If you want to develop this N.E.F.A., area, a railway line is very There are plenty of resources in necessary. Unless you open a line ol Assam. There are hills, there are communication, how can you develop dales, there are rivers, everything is the N.E.F.A. area? It will remain there. Only because of the transport N.E.F.A. area. It will not be educated bottle-neck we are not developing. II or become enlightened. I request the you open a railway line from Bongai- hon. Minister to think about this. gaon to Garo Hills and Goalpara, this will facilitate the development of the cement industry, coal industry and so I wish to make a general point about on. The other day the hon. Members Railway administration. After we Shn Hem Barua and Shrimati Moflda achieved Independence, the Railway Ahmad stated these things I do not administration is deteriorating. It like to repeat. I want to add you have a station, there is no water. some more line Tripura is also merg­ If you have a waiting room, there is ing with Assam. Hiey do not want no latrine, there is no chair. I do not to merge with Assam because of lack understand why the Railway adminis­ ot transport facilities. There is not a tration is not thinking about develop­ single line connecting it with India. ment on this side If they think that They have to come by air. A line Indian standard is like that and we from Baaarpur to Tripura will greatiy should have such a standard, I do not help them and Tripura will merge like that. After the achievement ot with Assam. I request the hon. Minis­ Independence, we should consider ter to take this into consideration. So about the standards also. The stan­ also Manipur is in the same condition. dard is deteriorating and it requires There is no railway line connecting to be looked into. Manipur. So, they have to go by air from Calcutta to Manipur. You can imagine the difficulties they have to As regard the De-luxe train, the face. I request the hon. Minister to other day, travelled m it from here take an interest in this and open a line to Calcutta. I find there are so many from Manipur Road station to Mani­ anomalies. There is no sufficient pur via Naga Hills. accommodation. I am told that in the De-luxe train, three third class bogies You know troubles from the Naga have been attached which are not air- people. These troubles are there only conditioned. On account of this, there because they have no contact with the is overcrowding. The other day I had plains people. They do not also look been to Calcutta, i took my family to the plains people. If you open up also with me. I had even reserva­ a railway line, easily they can be con­ tion ol the seats or myself and my 3669 Demands fo r Urants— 7 MARCH 1996 in n woys <3»TO

£Shri Basumatan ] family We co uH not get accommo­ sion of the railways and development dation When I cu 11 acted tne conduc­ of our other sectors tor, and I was to*ri that there are no coaches, that two three air-condi- They have established a separate tioned coaches hat been cut off and zone for Assam, but we understand third class coaches attached and they there should be more lines, more are short of accommodation They advancement made and more care could not give accommodation even and vigilence will be taken to aug­ to people who had reserved already ment rail transport capacity for eco­ That is the difficulty we had to face nomic expansion and industrial deve­ I request the hon Minister not to lopment of Assam consider whenever they get any com­ plaint that there is crowding, etc. «ft f a s («FPm TfefiT *pj- and revise As soon as you get any gfarT atTfeWT ) ^TT^T ^T- complaint, if you revise, how can you go on advancing the conditions of % jrerfPcHf* srt snfr P«m k j t r r travel, I do not understand ft ft *rw t qr Ttenft % I spr ft *11414 I then come to t < point about ver- bndges There should be over-bridges ft TPSt in important places As an example. V t * t I give the case of Funds which is go­ ing to be the headquarters of a new # i snrt ft qrnr Zone There 1 a road from North 5? f*F ?T*rt TPT rRT Gauhati to Ha]o where there is a qyr qrt £ ^ f % famous temple People are held up there for long time even on account W*RT I SRTWT 4 HHIIWT of shunting of trains There should f f*F ft ft i*W- be an over-bridge here, for the North cgrrqggpr m srrar ft yrfsfhH Gauhati-Hajo road qT#3T anft TTftt TF#* STW There is a highway road from Pandu to Shillong On that road during ft *rft 1 1 wftaftspr *n£f % n^r tram times the city people are held # IT# ’TT?? ^5T ^ T up for long hours and they are sub­ *pft V g R X % *TW V t jected to great difficulties I request the hon Minister to order the con­ s» ®F7% '•I*I MU W?t 5tT9 TTT struction of an over-bridge for this ’ p ? f*F “3^% fTFr * tftT ift^T highway road S t w tr r 7TIT TT f t There are very important stations TS *RT t I ^ *IK>^ in the Rangiya-Tezpur line in which for want of accommodation people are ft ?T^TrT ?T^t g ft trtmrTT f suffering like anything They do not f^r rsrtsr tnp sri TrTrzrfqtW ft get water, they do not get sheltei f$ r FTT ft fhm Tgt f 1 ?r*mr and in the rainy season, the people are suffering very great difficulties I *re % rftm vt ^ ^t TOt | request the hon Minister to order sftr w m ^t w? ^ st^tr v t g F w contruction of standard waiting rooms 'Tf^TTrft t , ^ ^ t 5WTH *S^t at Rangiya, and also Bongaigaon and Kokrajhar This is a newly constitut­ sFTcft % 1 ^ ^*mc!T ed sub-division and people have to g % ^ 5nfr *ft *t run from place to place So, there | iw vt mw¥ vr «rtr & i w should be one standard waiting room I thank the hon Minister for creat­ m iftx Jfrr fowr $*tt $ 3 ^ ing the new zone, and for the expan­ ^ j m fcr ^ % irWt Demands far Ordntv- 7 MARCH »68 JMknty* 367a

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t sftwftsft wj?r frarr) can suggest something which may be wFfft reft fa fow* w r ^ # actually effective in preventing this cTTSRTf ^ | kind of accidents t, w & The second point I wish to make relates to my constituency I come v ST for from Jamshedpur It can be called a tft to f i &fa* v ih ippft miniature India People from all ^pfarccrr $ «r snrt ^ £ i $t o t parts and comers of India, north, south, east and west, have gathered in Jam­ shedpur The facilities given by the *T?r VT «TPT T Sft f a ?F q % railway are not enough for them to proceed to their respective parts of the country Of course, I know the i * qr? softer difficulty of arranging full facilities, fa fowrcrft *r*Tf % but one suggestion I would make is that if from Jamshedpur some bogies *pnr i vrft are attached, one for Madras, one for fw fttfr fan vtrt Punjab, Delhi and so on, it will give good facilities for the people of Jam- m p i t m *fwt $ shatyur. benumb for i |4A&£8 J& i

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Kumari M. Vedakumari (Eluru): [«fr **rrc] Sir, today I want to deal with some «TTT 3ft ’BTf? *T 5TFRT of the salient features of the Railway Ministry. People complain about W *R T?t | I delay in trains, the non-punctuality »rfte OTsfriff ^fr wfr ^f?«rr and the terrible or abnormal late run­ n t. rectly in their railway, the South Eastern Railway and not the others. tffr *?[ qrqr aft *n^t ^ *nfr I do not understand that. All the 5f«im r? # ^ T

Shri Raghubtr Sahai (Budnan): Sir, spt | srfc % S 1 beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Code of apt srww+di | fa ^fwr vts Criminal Procedue, 1898. •FPJT 3FTT IT, WT Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question VttTZ fT 'TTHTt'T $ I is: Vft UTZFtt JTFcT cf><^ «TR jPTTt “That leave be granted to intro­ 5FT0T -sft sfzt m *im wiwit duce a Bill farther to amend the # vft ssRR ot *rt 1 1

• ( Omission of section 87 B) *nr w 1 *pft# wrtfl 5*r*t w i * 0 ^ f*P f ^ F c I R *r JTfaOT, ^ r r m %tm 1 % qr^ ?c!Q3 5 ft yr ♦Published in the Gazette of India Extraordinary Part II—section 2, dated 7.3.S8. 3 6 8 9 Indian Penal Code *1 MARCH 1966 (Amendment) fiitt 3 6 9 0

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*ftar»n£r fWt ?rc?ft?tg*n^ Shri Naushlr Bharucha (East Khan- f ^ R T F r f ijvtft mft*wn»flr ftmft desh): No, Sir, he has not moved It nor does he want to move it. t | » t t 1 irrsr m m fa R yr ysre ^ Shri Raghunath Singh: I want that cft«rrwt*raT s rw ft?mftarMsrs it should be withdrawn. TT \$o qfftpft STI?fr fa&T 3?TT W* Mr. Deputy-Speaker: It is not a f w 3[T TfT t I $ft p if t question of withdrawal. It is a ques­ 3ZTT5T qfaw rfcft | UPft *373 ft* tion whether he moves it or not TlfiiWW *Ft f a imthFT *t Shri Raghunath Singh: I am not moving it. sre r f t 1 1 «rat 3T 'JlN I try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): In any case, he has not moved. HTSTRt % «TR «UcT S?t •ift *T^T ^?T iFffi I W * W<*R ?t Mr. Deputy-Speaker: So far as the technical side is concerned, I agree aF?fcTT f ft? ^ f?T EZTP|^[9R> f5T=TR that there are three stages. One is y* sftr rr^ g? 2rr ?=rr ^trft ^ *nrr*f that the hon. Member, in whose name crafFjw apt ?rrft? ?pn^ ^ r f t Tsrr % the Motion stands, has to stand up, move it and then make a speech. After ermt *in m *,'fr qr# qr i^r ^ ^ w > r he has made it, then the Chair places ft *t% 1 that Motion before the House. After that has been done, then the House is 14 56 hours. in possession of that particular Motion. If the hon. Member concerned does Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Ha& the hon. not move it, there is no motion that I Member moved it? can place before the House and if Shri Raghunath Singh: I am with­ there is none before the House, non* drawing it also. can be discussed. But I would make this observation that it is not desir­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I am not con­ able that an hon. Member should go cerned with the withdrawal. Should on with such vehemence and force that Motion be put first or the with­ and after he has made his speech, be drawal? should say, “I do not move.” That does not look nice. How would the ito *o sntf :?T5 records look? *p»B{

[Mr. Deputy Speaker.] once it has happened, it should not under Section 302 of the Indian Penal happen again. I have no option. I Code, and culpable homicide not do not propose it, but I have made amounting to murder. That iB also my observation that it would not be Section 304 of the Indian Penal Code a good practice if it is followed like and, at any rate, Sir, you will be that. pleased to find that the sentence is not below ten years. We shall go to the next item. Shri Jhulan Sinha. He is not present. 15 hrs. Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: What is the speech going to be categorised But I think the offence contemplat­ as? Just a speech which is off the ed in section 304A, for which a record. punishment* of two years’ imprison­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: That would be ment has been provided, is a greater read by others. offence than what is contained in sec­ tion 304. Under section 304, if here Shri D. C. Sharraa: What has hap­ is no intention to murder, but if a pened? murder happens, even then the sen­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Nothing ha; tence is ten years. But as a result of happened. the rashness and negligence of a cer­ tain person, the number of deaths Shri Subiman Ghosc might be more than one—3. 4 or 5 and even then, under section 304A, the man guilty of the offence goes away with a punishment of two years. I think this is a greater offence than INDIAN PENAL CODE (AMEND­ what is contained m section 304 In MENT) BILL section 304A, where the man-slaugh- Amendment of section 304 A ter has happened due to error of judgment or due to mistake of fact, Shri Subiman Ghose (Burdwan): I do not say that the punishment Sir, I beg to move: should be enhanced But there are circumstances where it has been found That the Bill further to amend the that rashness and negligence practi­ Indian Penal Code, 1860 be taken into cally come to deliberate intention. consideration.

Shrimati Renu Chakravartty (Basir- I might give one or two examples. hat): What happens to Shri Jhulan A bus is running late. If he is late Sinha’s Bill? in a certain station, the driver or the Mr. Deputy-Speaker: He is not pre­ conductor is punished He comes near sent. So, what shall I do? Therefore, a destination at a late period and it I called the next hon. Member. so happens that the next destination is 8 or 10 miles away where he has Shri Subiman Ghose: Sir, my amend­ to reach by a certain time and he has ment is very simple. It only seeks to in his hand 10 or 12 minutes only. enhance the sentence so far as Sec­ Then in order to save himself from tion 304A is concerned. Section 304A the fine, he drives the bus rashly and provides imprisonment for two years negligently. Ultimately because of or with fine or with both. I want that this fact an accident happens and it the sentence should be enhanced to ten will be found that three or four per­ years and I have got my reasons. sons have died, several maimed in­ In the Indian Penal Code there are jured or deformed. This cannot be provisions for punishing homicides of condoned and he cannot be let off with different kinds, murder which is a punishment of two yean. If the 37°3 Indian Penal Code 7 MARCH 1958 (.Amendment) Bill 37°4 punishment is enhanced, that will act taxi. If that can happen here and If as a sort of check on such rashness or the driver is so very desperate, care­ negligence. If he finds that a deter­ less and disrespectful, I leave it to rent punishment will be awarded, he the House to imagine what happens will take care and he will face the when there is nobody to check their fine rather than take away the lives of speed. I do not know whether it was the passengers. a Minister’s car or somebody else’s, but it was a Government’s land rover While I tabled this amending Bill, which dashed against the taxi damag­ the Bombay State Women's Council ing the car and were saved practi­ was kind enough to support me and cally by the skin of our teeth. It Is sent a note to this House with a copy for this reason I am submitting that to me requesting that I might agree the time has come when a deterrent to the reduction of the punishment to punishment should be provided for. five years. I think there is no scope for the reduction of punishment, When the Indian Penal Code was because these accidents are happening enacted vehicular trafiic was not so every day. A certain section of dri­ very heavy. If statistics are taken vers are very desperate and also regard'ng the loss of life when the adamant that they will not check code was enacted when vehicular themselves and they will act in such a traffic was not so very heavy and way that lives of several persons will if statistics are taken now as to be jeopardised. They will go in their how many lives are being lost due to own way unloss a deterrent punish­ rash and negligent driving, I think it ment i-. provided for. Everywhere will eome to a staggering figure. It is road accidents are on the increase. for this reason that I say that the time Those who have experience of grand has come when this matter should be trunk roads near Calcutta or other checked with an iron hand. There are, big towns will know that even though for in-.tnnce, drivers who are living in the roads are very much congested, a sense of security and who think even then it will be found that the that there is some bada saheb behind drivers arc not checking themselves. them and they cannot be touched. The result is that every day these They are very rash and negligent and accidents are happening. In these they do not care a tuppence for the national highways, there is not suffi­ other people. That is happening every­ cient protection, because it is not where. Therefore, if in section 304 possible to provide for protection and ten years can be provided for, in sec­ the drivers go m their own way. tion 304A there should not be any leniency. In section 304, it might be that a death takes place in the spur One thing that happened two days before has confirmed mv belief in of a moment without any intention of causing death But when a driver is this On the 3rd March we were driving a bus m break-neck speed, a waiting in gate No. 1 and it was in­ prudent man knows that it might clement weather. We were practical­ cau.se death to several persons if .the ly hopelessly waiting for a taxi and driver loses his grip over the vehicle. some employee of this House was also So, in that case, I submit there is no waiting. Some of us came to know meaning in showing any leniency. that we were to go in the same direc­ tion in which I had to go and we be­ came a group of four desperately try­ Therefore, for all these reasons, I ing to get a taxi. Ultimately we were have placed this Bill before the House successful and we got a taxi When for its consideration for enhancing one gentleman had entered into it this sentence to check the growing and when I myself was entering, at catastrophies caused by vehicular that time a Government’s land rover trafiic driven by reckless and rash came in speed and dashed against the persons. 3705 Indian Penal Code 7 MARCH 1M8 (Amendment) Bill 3** Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Motion mov­ make the punishment severer than ed: what it is unless there are justifying circumstances so far as such acts gen­ 'That the Bill further to amend erally are concerned. the Indian Penal Code, I860, be taken into consideration” Now, I may invite the hon. Member's No hon. Member wishing to parti­ attention to the fact that if there is cipate? Then I have only to call the rashness or negligence in respect of a hon. Minister: particular act and if it falls short of culpable homicide, then naturally Perhaps the Members do not agree the provisions of scction 304A come about the rashness and negligence that into operation. And there the period the Mover complains of! that has, naturally, been provided is two years imprisonment or fine or The Minister of State in the Minis­ both. So far as rash and negligent try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): Mr. driving is concerned, it will be found Deputy-Speaker, it is understandable that we have a section in the Motor that the hon. Member wants a severe Vehicles Act, 1939, and there the punishment so far as the rash driving punishment that has been provided for of motor cars or lorries is concerned. is a maximum of two years; and this But while moving the consideration of provision corresponds with a similar this Bill he has brought within the provision in an Act in the United orbit of the proposed amendment a Kingdom. number of things which possibly he has not got in view. What happens now is that generally So far as section 304A of the Indian the punishment that is awarded is not Penal Code is concerned, it is not con­ even two years—two years might be fined only to rash or negligent driv­ considered as a fairly severe term— ing: it deals with rash and negligent but in certain cases the punishment acts. That is the reason why I would that is meted out is not two years. It like to read that portion. It says, falls less than two years, and some­ “Whoever causes the death of any times only fine is awarded Under person by doing any rash or negligent such circumstances. whenever the act not amounting to culpable homi­ State Government finds that the cide shall be punished with imprison­ punishment is absolutely lenient or ment of either description for a term that a higher punishment is necessary, which may extend to two years, or it is open to the State Governments to with fine, or with both”. apply to the High Courts for the en­ hancement of the sentences And that The hon. Member has sought an is what the State Governments have amendment to this section. Though done. he has in view, as he has made it clear in the Statement of Objects and I would therefore like the hon. Reasons as also in his speech just now, Minister to take into account the im­ and what he desires is that there plications of the provisions that he ought to be a severer punishment so wants to introduce in section 304A. It far as rash motor driving is concerned, should not apply to all rash and negli­ what he has put down in the Bill is a gent acts. Because, when there is an severe punishment not only in respect element of rashness or of negligence, of rash or negligent driving but in there is a lack of wickedness behind respect of all rash and negligent acts. that act Let us understand the posi­ tion very clearly. If there is wicked­ Therefore, I would point out in the ness. if it has been done purposely, first place that this section deals with it would amount to culpable homicide. all rash and negligent acts, and there­ For culpable homicide not amounting fore it would not be advisable to to murder a higher punishment has change or amend the provisions or to been provided for; and when it 3707 Indian Penal Code 7 MARCH 1958 (Amendment) Bill 3708

amounts to murder still higher punish- in section 304A would be that all ment, by way of death, is also provid­ negligent acts, all rash acts will be ed for. punishable with not less than ten Therefore, under section 304A we years’ imprisonment plus fine. are dealing with rash or negligent acts Therefore, 1 am confident that if the which the perpetrator ought not to hon. Member takes into account all have done at all but which unfortu­ these circumstances he will find that nately he did, as a result of which his amendment has gone farther than there was this death. Under the cir­ what he has imagined. Under the cumstances the framers of the law circumstances I would submit to him long ago, as the hon. Member has that he might withdraw the Bill, if he stated, about a hundred years ago, is so pleased, otherwise, I would re­ took into account the extenuating cir­ quest the House to throw out the Bill, cumstances and therefore they fixed because it brings in a number of cir­ the highest punishment at two years. cumstances which possibly he has not Now, correspondingly also, so far as got in his view. the precise object that the hon. Mem­ ber has in view is concerned, namely, So far as the evil of rash motor rash motor driving, it is not yet clear driving is concerned, that is a matter as to whether there has been such a which has been considered by the phenomenal increase in rash motor Government. We consulted the State driving. Wherever there is, naturally, Governments as to whether more the State Governments take action, and severe punishment should be provid­ in proper cases, if they find that the ed for in the law. They are all agreed Magistrate or the trial court has not that so far as the punishment provided given proper punishment, they ap­ by the law, namely, the Motor proach the High Court, and the sen­ Vehicles Act or the Indian Penal tence is enhanced by the High Court Code, is concerned that is quite suffi­ in suitable cases. Under these cir­ cient and in proper cases they always cumstances, may I point out to the move the High Court for the enhan­ hon. Member that the very obiect that cement of the sentences. he has in view is likely to be defeated? Under these circumstances I would Then, secondly, the hon. Member submit that it is not possible to accept also proposes to take away the dis­ the provisions of the Bill. cretion of the Judge or the Magistrate so far as the award of sentence is con­ Shri Subiman Ghose: Perhaps I had cerned After a criminal court comes been misunderstood by the hon. Minis­ to the conclusion that the accused has ter. And if the speech of the hon. been guilty of an offence, naturally ii Minister be read in its true perspec­ ought to be open to the Judge or the tive, I am afraid that he will put a Magistrate to use his discretion, his premium to rash and negligent acts; Judicial discretion, and award punish­ he is perhaps in an encouraging mood, ment which is adequate and proper in so to say. At the outset I would like the circumstances of the case. But to tell you that the ten years' punish­ let us see what the hon. Mover has ment is the maximum punishment, done. He wants that in all these and according to the facts and circum­ cases the punishment should be uni­ stances of the case the Court can form: he wants that the punishment award any punishment, from one day should be for ten years and that the to ten years. Or, if the court thinks oerson should also be liable to fine. that awarding of a fine will meet the Tf, for instance, the punishment is justice between the parties, he is not more deterrent than what the facts handicapped, it could be done. It is really warrant, then it will defeat the not that I have drawn a dead-line that purpose in view. In the form in which ten years’ punishment should be given the amendment has been brought here, in each and every case. The hon. the effect of the acceptance of this Minister has done injustice to me. I amendment or the change in language have not done anything of that sort. 37°9 Indian Penal Code 7 MARCH 1998 Indian Arm* (Amend* (Amendment) Bill ment) Bill

[Shri Subiman Ghose] What I want to say is, maximum he had made an amendment to the punishment should be ten years ac­ Indian Motor Vehicles Act. cording to the facts and circumstances of the case. There are rash and negli­ Shri Subiman Ghose: Only the hon. gent acts arising out of the mistaken Minister makes a finer distinction. facts. The Act is the genus and rash and negligent driving is a species. That Shri Datar: May I request the hon. is in every Act. I have only cited an Member to read the Bill? example of what rash and negligent Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The words act means. But if any other act be that he has given are: “In section 304A like that, which is also rash and negli­ of the Indian Penal Code, 1860, for gent. in that case, the punishment the words “of either description for a should also be provided, because, in term which may extend to two years culpable homicide not amounting to or with fine or with both”, the words murder, the punishment is up to ten “for ten years and shall also be liable years So, why not be so in this case to fine” shall be substituted He wants also, and whv should an exception be the imprisonment to be uniform, and made in this case bocause there is then he wants, “for two years”, “the mens rea9 When a driver drives his words 'ten years’ shall be inserted’'; car or his lorry or his truck in a break­ it would have brought out the wishes neck speed, knowing fully well that of the hon. Member. Then it would if he losses his grip, by chance, it will have meant that he wanted to have cause the death of several persons the maximum punishment of fen years whom he is carrying, his offence is instead of two years What he wants greater to substitute is that the punishment of Anyway, in view of the fact that I one description—he doos not specify have committed some unfortunate mis­ it—should be given It does not leave take in this Bill, I beg to withdraw any discretion to the magistrate to the Bill give any lesser punishment The hon Minister was right in interpreting his Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question amendment is: Shri Subiman Ghose: That is an un­ “That leave be granted to with­ fortunate mistake It can be rectified draw the Bill ” even at this moment The motion was adopted. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: For “two”, Shri Jhulan Slnha (Siwan): May I substitute “ten” seek permission to introduce my Bill9 Shri Subiman Ghose: It may extend Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I will allow to ten years I did not want to draw all those hon Members who were not a dead-line that it should be so m present earlier, to move their Bills at each and every case That is far from the end Now, we ^hall proceed to my mind. the Indian Arms (Amendment) Bill. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: But his amendment conveys that Shri Subiman Ghose: I admit that it INDIAN ARMS (AMENDMENT) BILL is an unfortunate mistake. In the case of rash and negligent acts, some of the (Amendment of Section 4) acts arise out of mistaken fact, some Shri P. R. Patel (Mehsana): I beg arise out of error of judgment, and to move: some arise out .. “Th*t the Bill further to amend Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Then the pur­ the Indian Arms Act, 1878, be pose would have been better served if taken into consideration” y j i l Indian Arms 7 MARCH 1958 (Amendment) Bill

My amendments are very simple. passed an Act, perhaps it was Act I am sure the Government will be XXXI/1860, and by section 32(2) of pleased to accept the amendments. In that Act they tried to disarm people these days of sputniks, hydrogen of certain districts. We know that this bombs, atom bombs, rifles and machine Act was passed to disarm our people guns, it can be said that the muzzle- with one view. That view was to loading gun is not an arm or weapon. deprive the Indian people of the arms It is generally used by the villagers to so that they can rule over them with­ protect their crops just to frighten out any resistance. pigs and such other animals. My amendment is only to amend the defi­ nition of arms, and thereby to exclude Then, there had been certain amend­ muzzle-loading guns, swords, daggers, ments and certain orders to be appli­ spears, spikes, bows and arrows, etc., cable to one district, and then other from the operation of the Arms Act, districts and later they were applied and along with it, I intend to amend to the whole of the country. I know the definition of ammunition so that that when these laws were applied to percussion caps, e tc , could be ex­ our country, there have been protests cluded. not only by the leading citizens of the I need not say that it was after the country, but by the Congress itself. first revolution of independence of this Now the Congress is in power. If you country, the revolution which is gen­ read the history of the Indian National erally misnamed as the Sepoy Mutiny Congress, there you will find at page of 1857, that the Arms Act was ap­ 65 a sentence reading: plied to our country The Britishers then ruling the country applied this "The Arms Act was a reply to law to our country to deprive us of the growing self-consciousness of all arms and to neutralise any opposi­ the nation.” tion in the country. Furthermore, the arms that were used at that time by The Congress then so many times—not the ruling Government and the people once, but so many times—passed reso­ were generally of equal quality. The lutions, asking for the repeal of the Government sepoys and the military Arms Act. I need not refer to those as well as the general public, the peo­ tesolutions now But we see that up ple, used the same guns. But now, in to 1930 every year in Congress session these diys. the Government need not resolutions were passed, unanimously be afraid that this muzzle-loading gun passed, demanding the repeal of the can at all be used against the Govern­ Arms Act. But here I am not asking ment to uproot it from power That is for the repeal of the whole Arms Act not possible. Our Prime Minister rightly said some years back at Bom­ bay that now the people should not It is rather queer that after indepen­ think that any armed revolution would dence, ten years after independence, bo successful against the existing Gov­ the Act stands as it was in the days of ernment. It is not possible, because the Britishers, as it was passed a cen­ the Government has machine-guns, tury ago Is it not time to make an aeroplanes and all those things, and amendment in this law? A f'er all, to revolt against the Government with what is the Government today? The arms and that too with muzzle-loading Government's definition at that time guns, is not possible. was different. Today the defintion of So, my submission is that my the Government is different. Today amendments are very innocent in that the Government is. not a person ruling respect. We know that it was in 1860 over the country but a person repre­ that the then Government, in order to senting the people ol the country. disarm people of this country, pass­ After all, they are elected by the peo­ ed an order to be applicable in cer­ ple. They are holding power for the tains districts. In that year they also administration of the country, and Indian Arms 7 MARCH 1958 (Amendment) Bm

[Shri P. R. Patel] they can be there so long as they keep So, my submission is that .that argu- up the confidence of the people. Any ment would not be valid. party which the people trusts will be in power, and that is democracy. Then, the second argument is that in villages people may misuse it and After ten years of democracy, does it shoot each other. That can be an give credit to us to continue this law? argument. But I can tell my hon. Is it not time that the law should be friends my experience in Baroda State. changed? So, I request the hon. Minis- There was monarchy there. The ruler ter that he may consider, the Gov- had absolute power; there was no ernment may consider, whether it is democracy there. But there was no not proper time now to make amend- Arms Act there prohibiting the keep- ments in the law. ing of muzzle-loading guns, sworas, What do we see today? I have seen spears and such other things. The that in my district-and that may be Act had imposed restrictions only on the experience of my h"(Jn. friends else- revolvers, rifles and such other guns. where also-for a revolver if you ask There was absolutely no restriction on for a licence, then enquiries and en- muzzle-loading guns. quiries follow. And I have seen cases Then, I know something of the cri- where licences for revolvers have been minal offences and criminal trials, be- given to persons who ought not t_o ca use I have practised on that side for have been given and cases where it over 30 years. I can assure the hon. has been refused to persons who should Members that the least possible offen- have been given. ces are committed by muzzle-loading After all, this ;imendment is not for guns. More offences are committed by the possession of revolvers. This is not lathis, swords and spears, and the a dangerous weapon. I do not mean least possible offences by these muzzle- by this amendment to give free licences loading guns. to keep revolvers or to remove revol- vers from the Arms Act. My only Mr. Deputy-Speaker: But lathis are submission by this amendment is that free, whereas other weapons are not. muzzle-loading guns be omitted from Shri P. R. Patel: That is true; lathis the provisions of the Arms Act. are free. But we see that the muzzle- An argument has been raised that if loaded guns are very rarely used. we omit the muzzle-loading guns from There is one more thing. When the the purview of the Act, then it can villagers go out to protect the crop, if be used by dacoits. But dacoits do not they have no muzzle-loaded guns with require any licence under the Arms them, they are strangled. Naturally, Act. They get arms, they get rifles, they have to protect themselves. yrhen and sometimes they even get sten guns. the question of protection comes, I I know of a case in my district where have heard our State Minister saying certain persons, about four or five of that "we cannot keep police at every them, wanted to commit dacoity and door and every field; you must protect they collected on the border of a yourself". If people have to protect village. When they were seized, they themselves, they can do it only if they had revolvers and rifles, and my infor- have arms. Could they protect them- mation is that perhaps the rifle or the selves with hands when the other side arms were supplied to them by some is armed with guns or rifles or some- persons in the military. So, dacoits do thing of that type? not require any licence; otherwise, they would not be dacoits. They are So, my submission is that this is out to commit crimes. Any person necessary for protection in villages. who is out to commit dacoity, murder, So, I humbly submit that my amend- -robbery or any such crime, would he ment may be allowed. I do not refer ca-re for a licence ,to keep any arm? to the resolutions passed by Congress, 3715 Indian Arms 7 MARCH 1958 ( Amendment) Bill 3716 though there are so many resolutions Shri P. R. Patel: I do not want to asking for the repeal of the law. I demand of right. Unless they agree, do not want to read those resolutions this amendment would be of no use. here. I want to serve my people, the village people, by moving this amend­ I only appeal to the hon. Minister ment. So, I beg of the Government and through him to the Government to to accept this amendment and just exclude muzzle-loading guns, spears, make a beginning in the amendment etc., from the definition of Arms, so of this Arms Act which we condemn­ that a man may not be required to ed before we got Independence. When ask for a licence. He may keep them this Arms Act was applied by the without a licence. That was so in Britishers, we condemned it like any­ Baroda and other native States which thing. We shall be condemned by we condemned at that time. Today, the people if we continue this. when ours is a democratic country and a democratic Government, why should Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Motion mov­ we distrust our people? If they keep ed: muzzle-loading guns or a tamancha, why should we distrust our people. “That the Bill further to amend I only submit that Government may the Indian Arms Act, 1878, be be pleased to accept this amending taken into consideration." Bill. Shri Achar (Mangalore): Sir, I Furthermore, I may say one thing. feel that this amendment is unneces­ I know that people ask for licence for sary. The Mover seems to have con­ these guns. Naturally, the village siderable criminal experience. But, I people have to ask for the licence. have . . . Otherwise, intelligent people would like to have a revo’ver or a breach Mr. Deputy-Speaker: He has ex­ loader or a rifle. This has become a perience of criminal practice. He did business for the police department. not say that he had criminal experi­ What happens today? If a man for­ ence. gets to get his licence renewed before the expiry of a particular date, he is Shri Achar: I have civil experi­ required to hand over the gun to the ence. police. For the renewal of a licence, it takes a year or so. I have got a Mr. Deputy-Speaker: He had ex­ case, I need not cite small cases here. perience in criminal courts. There is one gentleman of my place, Shri Chaganlal Gur Bux. He is a Shri Achar: I also mean to say, I graduate of the Bombay University. have experience of civil courts. So, He had the licence for this muzzle- in the interests of the civil people, I loading gun and a breach loader. He am inclined to oppose this amendment. asked for renewal. I have got the receipts and Bill these things for pay­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: But, the ment into the treasury, etc. He did opposition may not be so civil. not get a licence for more than six months. He had to go from one place Shri Achar: The short point is this. to another. There are reasons for it. No doubt, as the Mover said, the When the question of renewal comes, Congress Party had passed several there is something in the Collector’s resolutions that this Arms Act must office. Naturally for the police even— go. But, he must realise the situation it goes for opinion—there is some­ at present and the situation in those thing. Is it desirable? I only beg of days. So far as having the muzzle- the Government . . . toading guns or probably even the breach loader or any other type of An Hon. Member: Why beg; demand gun is concerned, it is not for the of right purpose of meeting any rebellion or 3717 Indian Arms 7 MARCH 1958 (Amendment) Bill 3718

[Shn Achar] any danger from the public that the point is, whether such arms should Government wants it It is not for be allowed to go about in the country such a purpose that the Arms Act is without any control whatsoever Once required now Maybe, the British such a free movement or usage is people who were ruling a foreign allowed, the difficulty will be, the country wanted it So far as the pre­ ordinary people will not be having sent Government is concerned, it is them, but people, who are anxious to not from that point of view that the trouble other people or commit dacoity Act should continue as it is There and things like that, will easily pro- is no such danger People will not euie them and have control over them rise 111 rebellion N or w ill such small On the other hand, if this licence firearms be of any use to the Govern­ system is lemedied and extended, ment especially as the Mover himself there will be better control There said in these days of Sputniks These will not be any difficulty A man minor arms cannot be a great danger who requires can easily get a licence. It is not from that point of view that A man who should not have it, should we require such an Arms Act not be allowed to get it From that point of view, I submit that the The real point is, what will be the amendment is almost harmful if not position of the oiriinarv people in the only unnecessary So, I oppose the villages if these arms are allowed to amendment be fret ly used and free y allowed to be acquued and kept by the people Shri D R Chavan (Karad) Mr who may not be vtry welcome to Deputv-Spcaker I rise to support this society That is the aspcct which we amending Bill which has been have to considei The Mover as well brought before the House by my hon. as the other Members of the House friend Shu P R Patel As the Mover must be aware that the State Gov­ of the Bill put it there should be no ernments and their officers are very obligation put on the authorities to liberal now in granting these licences giant lircnc.es for muzrle-loading for the agneultuiists to protect them­ guns selves against wild animals, tiger, etc The Bill does not ^eek to amend the So fat as the issue of these licences entire Act nc nhei doe's it seek to is concerncd, they arc verj liberal repeal the Act Even if the re> is a little abuse or the police Inspectors and other people It was a>kcd bofoie this what was taking advantage of the situation, it is the object when this Arms Act was a position which lias to be remedied passed 01 enacted by the then Gov­ by the Go\einnunt, but not to a low ernment9 The object with which this these arms to be. fu cly in the hands of Act was enacted was that the people people who may not be very much of this eountiv should be without any inteiested m protecting th< civil lights arms so that they may not rise in of the people icbellion against the then power, that is the British power in India So, for On the othei hand, I feci that if these guns aic allowed to be 111 the tho purpose of disarming the people hands of people without any licence of this country this Arms Act was whatsoever it m >y create social enacted troubles The otdmarj people may This object of the then Government not be having it As tho Movci him­ was condemned by the Congress self mentioned, people who dip inclin­ Par^ and when in our national strug­ ed to be criminal and who 'ometimes gle v e wcic fighting against the 1m- even threaten the people in the vil­ periol power, as my hon friend Shn lages may come to possess them It Patel has put it, several resolutions was said that he will not be anxious weic passed by the Congress, Congress to have a licence, but he will be able people fighting against the might o f to have it without a licence The the imperial power 3719 Indian Arms 7 MARCH 1958 (Amendment) Bill 3720

Why were so many resolutions state of things—a man is sitting as an passed? The object was that this hon. Member of this House, and with enactment which was there, this Act reference to his application a remark which was passed by the British Gov­ is made to this effect by the police ernment, had been passed with a that he is a man of a desperate and wicked motive—that these people may dangerous character and therefore the not rise against the existing Govern­ licence should not be granted to him. ment, they may not try for the free­ dom of this country, they may not It is my experience that if a person rise in revolt against the Government. wants to get a licence, naturally the With this object, this Act was passed. licence will be granted by the district And against this motive the Congress authorities—the Collector or the Sub­ passed several resolutions, and they division! Officer; if a person wants to stated this enactment should not be get a licence, then naturally he has there, should not be left on the sta- lo put in an application, and the ap­ tyuta-book, should be repealed. plication, as just now pointed, goes to the police. Then he has to find out Now, the hon. Mover of this Bill is some person who knows either the not requesting the House that the police or the district authorities, and Arms Act should be repealed. He who is that some person? That some wants certain amendments in the person is no other person than a per­ definition, that from the definition of son m the ruling Party. That is my the Arms Act, muzzle-loading should experience be excluded. He has also advanced certain reasons, and the reasons are 1 can point out another example. that for the purpose of protecting the My brother has put in an application crop and all that, the cultivators are for the grant of a breach-loading put to a difficulty. Particularly in an licence, and therein he has made a area which is infected by wild reference: “My brother is also a anima’ s, for example jungle areas practising lawyer here, and is also a where there are fields, it bccomcs Member of Parliament and an ex- very difficult for the cultivator to M.L.A.” and all that The applica­ protect his crops. tion was sent to the police, and the police have written on the applica­ Then, what has he got to do? He tion that this gun licence should not puts in an application to the autho­ be granted While, on the contrary, rities. That application goes back for as a matter of fact, those persons have an enquiry. The police give their been given licences who ought not to opinion, and then ultimately whether have been given, who should not it has to be accepted or rejected will have been given—the dangerous cha­ be decided by the district authorities. racter'?. Such types of persons have The result is that unless that person boen given licences simply because goes to .omebody who influences the thev support the ruling Party. district authority, he is not able to Therefore, my submission is this. get the licence. Hundreds of such My hon. friend Shri Patel, the Mover cases could be enumerated. of this Bill, only wants that the defi­ nition be amended, but my submission Just now, my hon. friend who is would be that the entire Act be re­ sitting by my side, Shri Subiman pealed I cannot understand why this Ghose was telling me that he had statute should be kept on the statute- put in an application for the grant of book a revolver licencc. That application was sent by the district authorities to The reason is you cannot trust your the police for enquiry, and the police people Can you say that no sooner reported on that application that he this Act is repealed, every man car» is a man of a dangerous and desperate get a gun and start shooting each other character, therefore this licence should on the streets, m the villages and the not be granted to him. This is the towns? Or can he go against the 3?ax Indian Armt 7 MARCH 1988 (Amendment) Bin 374a

[Shri D. R. ChavanJ authority of the Government, the in a non-violent way, and the maxi­ anight of the Government? The might mum violence can only be exercised •of fixe Government is such that unless by the Government And that has All persons in the country get arms been the established fact jmd organise themselves to rise against -the Government, nothing can be done It is very unfortunate that the Arms Against the might of the Government; Act still finds a place in our statute* «nd such a type of contingency can- book. I would also urge that it is high tnot be contemplated in this country time that we relax the rule, if we (because in our country democracy hah cannot repeal it completely, to that •come to stay and the people would extent as though they cease to ope­ «never like to rebel against the Gov­ rate. ernment. They would rebel against ithe Government by the democratic This amendment, as it is brought way and in a peaceful mafmer, by forward now, seeks to provide some accepting and adopting the methods facility for the agriculturist, the larg­ •granted to them under the Constitu­ est section of the population in cur tion. country. I am also aware of several instances where there is the havoc of 15-56 hrs. these wild animals. The elephants and other types of wild animals, when [S h r x m a t i R e n u C hakravartty in the the crops are about to be harvested, Chair] completely destroy the whole crop that is available for the ryot population in Therefore, under the circumstances, that area. In fact, the ryots are hav­ this is an innocent amendment which ing in many places only one crop a has been suggested by my hon. friend. year, and even that crop is absolutely The question is why this should not lost to them on account of their inabi­ be accepted. The object of the Mover lity to protect themselves against the of this Bill is that the cultivator havoc of these wild animals. Should get the advantage of this. They Of course, it may be said that the should not be required to go to thn authorities, to go to the police, and Government is there to protect them then apply and make a request and We have not relaxed the rules or the other subsidiary regulations that we Ultimately find that the application have for giving them this relief. By has been rejected. That should not the time he seeks for the necessary toe the case. Therefore, I support the relief and the relief is given to him, hon. Mover of this Bill and I request the House that it should be accepted. the whole crop is completely done away with by these wild animals. Shri Keshava (Bangalore City): I Also rise to state that the amendment 16 hrs. sought for does not go as far as it Another point I would like to urge should. before the House is that the acceptance of this amending Bill and giving a I am also one of those who feel that little freedom for owning these arms ■stability in our country has been suffi­ which are almost harmless would give ciently established, and if only we a certain amount of training in self- allow this amendment, it would also reliance to our people, particularly, go to the credit of our Government. those in the border areas of our coun­ try. No doubt, it is true that we have Nobody dare now seek to rebel come to feel that everything has got against the Government by violent to be done by the Government for the means. In fact, according to the set­ people, and that every little help or up that we have now in our country, anything that it required to be don* •every agitation has got to be made is to be done by Government Tfcfrt 3733 Indian Arm* 1 MARCH 2958 (Amendment) Bill 3734 kind of mental make-up is there, and ment to see how far the Act should be if we want to overcome that kind of amended. thing and introduce a 'sort of self- reliance in the minds of our people, In reply to one of the questions it is high time that we accept an asked in this House, it was stated 00 amendment of this type. No doubt, it behalf of Government that Govern­ may lead to some misuse of these arms ment themselves were intending to here and there. That does not matter. amend the Arms Act. Taking into In fact, ours is a vast country, and it considerations the necessities and the matters very little if a few incidents exigencies of time, the amendment happen here and there on account of should be more liberal than what the the misuse of the arms, on this per­ present amendment postulates. I mission being granted. But in the would not go merely to the extent of larger interests of the country and in exempting from the Arms Act breach- the interests of encouraging self- loading guns only, but I would go so reliance in the minds of our people far as to say that carrying arms is and also by way of giving some pro­ essential. I disagree with my friend tection for the village population, I Achar when he says that this would feel it is very necessary that we should lead to crimes. I believe he is a law­ give some such relief as is sought for yer practising on the civil side only, in this amendment. and, therefore, he has no experience. I have been practising on the criminal I do not want to go into the ques­ side for more than twenty-five years, tion of what the position previously and I can say that arms are the least was and what the position is now. The things which lead to any sort of position is the same. There is abso­ crimes. If arms were to be taken as lutely no change, except that there the vehicles of crime, then, as one has been a change in our Government. hon. Member has said, lathi should be The best government is that which absolutely prohibited. Therefore, my least governs. So, I think it is high submission is that it is wrong to say time that we make up our mind, take that it leads to crime. I belonged to heart in this matter and try to see if what was North West Frontier Pro­ we can give the relief that is sought vince once (and which is now in Pak­ (or by means of this amendment. istan), where there were no licences, and yet there was the least number With these words, I would like to of crimes there. Of course, there were support this amending Bill. feudal factions. But that is a differ­ ent thing. So far as crimes of the Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi (Ludhi­ type that are prevalent here are con­ ana): I also rise to support my hon. cerned, they were not existing then friend Shri Keshava in what he has So, there is no justification for keep­ said. The very fact that this Act is ing a law of this kind on the statute- as old as 1878 shows that it should book in the form in which it is at be dead and gone. But I look at it present from a different angle. Its historical But I would beg of the Mover to background is also odious. It was withdraw this Bill, since Government brought by the foreigners in order to themselves are contemplating an keep the people unmanly. amendment and they are intending to bring forward an amending Bill. In Now, carrying arms of the kind that view of the assurance that an amend­ the Mover has said is a thing which ment is being contemplated and it is absolutely harmless. I do not, would come in a more liberal form therefore, find any reason why there than this Bill, I think it would be should not be an amendment of the better if the Mover withdraws this Act as contemplated in this Bill. I, Bill and allows Government to bring however, feel that however good this forward their Bill. We have given amendment may be, it is for Govern­ our views to Government, and Hug 3725 Indian A rm 7 MARCH 1988 (Amendment) Bill ypfi.

{Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi] know very well that the times call for The Bill that we have is of the year a change, if not for the repeal of the 1878. Certain changes have been Act, at least for an amendment of the made afterwards. May I point out to Act. the Mover that after 1947, we have made certain changes in the rules, The Minister of State in the Minis­ and at present the rules as also the try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): I Act are being administered very libe­ am obliged to the House for having rally. We have sent down instructions raised this question. It was raised to all the State Governments that also in the first Parliament, and Gov- liberal use should be made of the emment then gave an assurance that power of granting licences. I might the whole question would be duly inform my hon. friend the Mover that considered and an amending Bill we have taken into account the ques­ brought forward as early as possible. tion of the needs of the agriculturist My hon. friend who spoke earlier has community especially, because it is anticipated what I was going to say true that in certain parts they do in this respect. When the matter was require such arms; and as I have under consideration at the instance pointed, we have issued instructions of Shri U. C. Patnaik, an assurance that they should be given arms as far was given that the whole question as possible except in cases where would be considered. there are any special conditions pre­ The points that were made were to venting the liberal exercise of such the effect that the provisions of the grant of permission. The ordinary Arms Act and the Arms Rules rule would be that such licences would should be liberalised, and secondly be given specially to the agricultural that those provisions should be community. brought in line with those obtain­ Then I would point out that as soon ing in other progressive countries of as that Bill is introduced in Parlia­ the world. So far as these two objects ment, hon. Members will find that it were concerned, Government stated meets with the present requirements that they would consider the advisabi­ and also the aspirations of a large lity of having the whole matter duly number of hon. Members of this examined. On our assurance, the House and the other. Therefore, I Mover of the Bill then had the Bill would request the hon. Mover, as an adjourned sine die. Thereafter, the hon Member on this side has rightly Government of India took up this pointed out, to wait for sometime question with all the State Govern­ because thereby we shall be having ments, because as you are aware, it a Bill more comprehensive in nature is the State Governments who have than the one brought forward by the to take all the conditions into account, hon. Mover. and who are responsible for maintain­ With these preliminary remarks, ing law and order in the States. There­ may I deal with some of the points fore, their opinion naturally weigh that the hon. Mover has made? The with us to a very large extent. Bill, as he has sought to move, is very We have now got the views of all wide and comprehensive in terms of the State Governments, and, therefore, his object. Already some relief has I am now in a position to inform the been given by Government in respect House that a Bill is being finalised, of certain matters. Daggers, spears, and we shall make every attempt to swords, spear-heads and bows and introduce this Bill before this House arrows have already been excluded as early as possible, preferably during from the operation of the Act and the this session or the next. Government rules in all the States of India except are extremely keen on having a new two, where for special reasons they Bill, because a wish to that effect was have been kept within the purview expressed on the floor of the House of the Act; even there swords and very strongly. spears are excluded. lftdioto Arm* ? MARCH 1988 (Amendment) Bill ypjM

An Hon. Member: Which are his speech he stated that they were those States? required mostly for agriculturists, SO far as the provisions of the Bill are Slut Datar: There are two. I have concerned, he wants the exemption to not £ot the names here. be granted to all classes of people. That is a point which has to be taken There also, our object is to intro­ duce a liberalising influence as much into account. It is true that condi­ as possible. As I have pointed out, tions are being stabilised to a large it depends upon the needs of particu­ extent. All the same, as you are lar States, and we always go by the aware, there are lawless elements advice of the States. As has been here and there, there are anti-social stated, they are responsible for the elements here and there, and Govern­ conditions there. ments, especially the State Govern­ ments, will have to be careful in Evfen in respect of these, may I point this matter. If, for example, such out to the hon. Mover that there has weapons are allowed very freely been a liberal policy of granting without any licence, then you should licences especially to agriculturists take into account what the position The policy that is being followed is would be. They are likely to be that they are given even muzzle- smuggled into India or smuggled loading guns licences on a free of fee outside India. They are likely to basis; so far as other arms are con­ be abused, and oftentimes difficulty cerned, they are given freely; so far would arise so far as the use of all as muzzle-loading guns are concern­ Hhese arms is concerned. That is ed, a fee of only 4 annas is charged. the reason why fire-arms stand by Shri Mohan Swarup (Pilibhit): themselves and we have to be Eight annas. extremely careful to see that they are granted to persons who are not likely Shri Datar: According to my in­ to abuse them. formation, it is 4 annas. It is imma­ terial. 4 annas are being charged. Under the circumstances, may I point out that the object that the hon. Shri T. Subramanyam (Bellary): Member has in view has been fully Per annum achieved? His object is that there ought to be a new amending Act of Shri Datar: Under these circum­ a liberalised nature so that it would stances, so far as that object is con­ fit in with the present times. On cerned, it is achieved. But in the this question, I have given an assur­ course of his speech, he made a refer­ ance. This assurance was given long ence pointedly only to agriculturists. But so far as the provisions of his Bill ago, that Government themselves are concerned, they are of a general would place before Parliament a Bill character. which would be more comprehensive in its terms, which would be more Secondly, may I also point out that liberalising, taking into account the his argument was on the basis that conditions in the country to the extent these muzzle-loading guns were only that it is absolutely essential. I weapons of war. The point or cri­ repeat that promise, that as early as terion is whether they are or are not possible Government would bring dangerous weapons likely to be used forward a Bill. The Bill is almost or abused under certain circumstances being finalised and is in the last stages by lawless elements. That is what of its preparation. We have to take into account, not merely because it is a weapon of war Therefore, the object of the hon. or it is not a weapon of war. Mover is achieved. Of course, he went into what was the position dur­ Therefore, so far as this question ing the war, during the British is concerned, though in the course of regime. But he ought to understand Indian A m * i 1IA&CH IMA uw*®*am**w <««• J7$»

[Shri Datar] friend will be satisfied that his pur­ that there has been a change after pose has been served. Again X say 1847. What was most important was that we shall bring forward a Bill as not the provisions of the Act as such, early as possible. but the way in which those provi­ sions were exercised. Shri P. R. Patti: I sincerely thank the hon friends who have supported Shri P. R. Patel: Even in the the Bill. I expected that the hon. native States where there was mon­ Minister of State in the Ministry of archy, muzzle-loading guns were Home Affairs would accept the BilL allowed. Are we better off than But hearing his speech, I am convinc­ that monarchy or not? I do not ed that the coming Bill will not be understand more liberal than the present one, Shri Datar: We are quite better because he says that a muzzle-loading off under self-government. gun is a dangerous weapon. A man Therefore, I would submit that may kill with a pen knife or chhuri taking all the circumstances and con­ It is a dangerous weapon. Why ditions into account, Government should we allow people to keep pen would bring forward a Bill which knife or chhun? A man may kill would have liberal provisions, which with a hockey stick It is a danger­ will, I am quite confident, satisfy all ous weapon Why should a man be the reasonable sections of this House. allowed to have it? We must pass That is the first point. some law so that people may have to procure licences for all that, lathi So far as his own Bill is concerned, and so many other things So, I he will kindly see that a muzzle- submit we cannot deny a thing by loadmg gun is not so innocent as he calling it a dangerous one The wants us to think There are certain thing becomes dangerous only when risks and dangers involved in exempt­ it is badly used It is always pro­ ing muzzle-loading guns from the tective, when it is with a good ele­ operation of the Arms Act. They ment And. as I submitted, and as are likely to be used. As I have the hon. Minister also agreed, the stated, they are likely to fall into bad bad elements do not require a licence hands As he has humorously to have any arms They get the pointed, so far as dacoits are con­ arms from any source We see so cerned, they never care for licences many dacoities are committed and at all. Unfortunately, sometimes the dacoits have got the latest guns they fall into the hands of such and they do not require any licence. dacoits. He referred to their having It is only the good element that asks even the latest weapons, and he for licence. My submission is that knows the quarters from which they by depriving good elements of these have come. I would not like to deal muzzle-loading guns, we encourage with that particular point But the hands of the bad elements in rob­ unfortunately it is true that we have bery, dacoity and other offences got here anti-social elements like smugglers and some other persons. I do not understand why even after Therefore, Government will have to 10 years of indepedence the hon. be careful even in this respect. As Minister is pleased to say that these I stated on other occasions, we have muzzle-loading guns could not be to rear up the young and tender plant exempted from the Arms Act. He of democracy in as best a manner as also did not agree with Shri Achar— possible. Subject to this, we have to generally, it is Acharya. And, liberalise all the provisions. Acharya, undoubtedly, is rather afraid of arms because his practice is on I am quite confident that in the the civil side. I am not; and any­ light of what I have stated my hon. body who is acquainted with the 2*&tm Arint 9 SU0CSL IMS (ilfMndmcnt) JEKU 3 7 3 3 : criminal tide of practice will juiti- The hon. Minister argued one thing,, fy what X Bay. Most of the offences that I am asking this for the agricul­ are committed by dacoits and robbers turists but the Bill is a general one. by arms without licences. Guns Undoubtedly, it is general. But, lift come before the courts; no licences is a country where there are more than there. They get arms from any 80 per cent of the people belonging: source; not stolen even from private to the agriculturist class, naturally, persons. The hon. Minister said that I cannot make any exceptions and, these things may be taken away by so, it is a general amendment apply* anti-social elements and used. Well; ing to one and all. And, I humbly the anti-social elements do not require submit that if the hon. Minister is guns of this type. They want rifles pleased to give an assurance that the and better guns. In these days, when coming Bill will contain a clause the anti-social elements come to exempting these muzzle-loading guns, rob or to commit a dacoity, do they I would be happy. Otherwise, I do- come with muzzle-loading guns? They not want to withdraw my Bill. come with arms better than the (Interruption.) It may be lost even. police has, perhaps as they have to I know after the Congress Members face policemen. have shown the sympathy; if the hon. Minister can go with Congress opinion So, my submission is that these these muzzle-loading guns will be- muzzle-loading guns with ordinary exempted from the operation of the good elements will not pass away into law. However, when the question the hands of the bad elements. On of voting comes, naturally, the BUT the contrary, if the bad elements rrfay be thrown out. I will be hap­ want to commit any offence, they will py if it is thrown out. But, I be afraid that in every village there can assure the hon. Minister that he may be some persons who may have will not be. guns. But, here, what is happening? We Mr. Chairman: I think the hon. have inherited the tendency of the Minister has made it clear that the Britishers. The Britishers did not hon. Mover should wait and see what trust the people. And, today even, the Bill is. we are not prepared to trust the peo­ ple and we do not allow our people Shri F. R. Patel: I want an assur­ to have guns—and that too muzzle- ance that the muzzle-loading guns- loading guns. I fail to understand will be exempted. that. Shri Datar: It will be clear in the So, I humbly tell the hon. Minister Bill. That is all I wish to say just that if an assurance comes from his now. The suggestions and this dis­ side that the muzzle-loading guns cussion will be considered and exa­ will be exempted in the coming Bill, mined very carefully. then, I will withdraw my Bill. I know an assurance was given by him, Shri P. R. Patel: I do not with­ as he said, in the First Lok Sabha. I draw; let it be thrown out. think much water has flowed down the Ganges and Jumna and nothing has been done till now. And, today, Mr. Chairman: The question is: the assurance is to introduce a Bill, “That the Bill further to amend perhaps, in this session or the next the Indian Arms Act, 1878, be­ session. I would be very happy; but taken into consideration.” the promise should be, the under­ standing should be that these muzzle- The motion was negatived loading guns will be exempted from tiie operation of the law. $733 7 MARCH IMS Cod* of Criminal 3734' Procedure (Amend­ ment) Bill CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE be applicable or will section 517 be (AMENDMENT) BILL applicable 7 The case arises when a property is brought by the police (Amendment of sections 516A and before the court and one man claims 517) it Then the police gives the objec­ Shri Subiman Ghose (Burdwan) tion that it should not be made over Madam Chairman, I beg to move to him In that case, the man is ‘That the Bill furthei to amend deprived of the right of appeal and the Code of Criminal Procedure he has however to go to the High 1898 be taken into consideration ” Court and he is to incur heavy expen­ diture This is a very simple and innocent matter, only to remove a difficulty These three stages arise m this that is facing us in the day to day case If scction 516A is made appeal- working At the outset, I may make able then thire will be no anomalous it clear that I do not want to press position But this scction 516A is so far as section 517 is concerned, not appealable The section. 517 is but, I wish to confine myself, and appealable Then there is the ano­ press for its consideration so far as malous position As I have said, at section 516A is concerned least these are two anomalous things Mr Chairman Are we to take it Somebody is discharged and to him the pioperty goes, if he wants to take that by this clause 3 is deleted 7 it Again, the property is claimed Shri Subiman Ghose Yes, clause by two persons, against the one, the 3 of the amendment trial is proceeding The other is Mr. Chairman Yes the hon Mem­ discharged Which section of the ber mav proceed law -w ill be applicable in each of Shri Subiman Ghose Sor far as these cases7 To remove these ano­ section 516A is concerned, I give malies and to remove these difficult­ three instances to the hon Minister ies tint are faccd by the litigants In some criminal cases, there are m day-to-day working of the Act I several accused and some property is have suggested that scction 516A seized During the trial one is should be mide appealable In discharged, and the trial pioceeds that case the litigants will not face against the others Will it be said any difficulty This is a simple and that the trial has concluded or the innocent matter, and I think the Min­ trial is proceeding so far as the ister will not have any difficulty m accused that has been discharged accepting it regarding the property that has been The Minister of State in the Minis­ brought to court The accuscd who try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): has been discharged claims the pro­ May I point out to the hon Member perty So far as some accused are that orders under section 516A are of concerned the trial is proceeding an interim or temporary nature and the So far as the man who is discharged final orders are passed after the con­ and who claims the property is con­ clusion of the trial of the case under cerned, will it be said that the trial section 5177 Secondly he will kindly is proceeding or concluded9 If it note that all orders that are passed is said that the trial has concluded, by the subordinate courts are sub­ then, section 517 will apply That is ject to the powers of revision by the one position to be considered High Court Therefore, ordinarily, The second position is that a pro­ what happens is whenever an interim perty is claimed by two persons order has to be passed, there is no There are a number of accused One need for any appeal as such Other­ is discharged and against the other, wise if every order is to be made trial is proceeding What will be the subject to appeal, naturally the position then7 Will section 516A proceedings will be multiplied So 473S Code of Criminal 7 MARCH 1058 Procedure (Amend- 3-736 mcnt) Bill

many people will be going to the very few cases where an appeal is Hight courts or to the appellate courts asked for or a request has been made only for the purpose of seeing whe­ that the Criminal Procedure Code ther this order can be reversed. should be amended. Under these Thereby, the hon. Member will see circumstances, may I request the hon. that the very object that we have Member not to press this Bill even in view, of having an end of all these in spite of section 516A, because it is proceedings as early as possible, will only a temporary matter, and let be surely lost. temporary matters be not subject matters of appeal. Secondly, the hon. Member will realise that so far as these interim Shri Snbiman Ghose: My misfor­ orders are concerned, they are enforc­ tune is that the hon. Minister went ed until the termination of the case on sermonising without understanding and the termination of the case is my point. Both sections 516A and 517 not necessarily in terms of years but are there. There is a trial and there in terms of months. These are cri­ is one man in favour of whom the minal proceedings, and at the worst, final report is submitted; others are they will take a year or so. Ordi­ charge-sheeted. The man in whose nary cases, it takes three to six favour the final report is submitted months to finish. Therefore, for wants the property back. Which sec­ such a short period, is it advisable to tion will be applicable? Section S16A provide for the luxury of an appeal or 517? If the trial has been conclud­ here? ed, then section 517 will come into play. But if the trial is thought to As the hon. Member must have seen, be not concluded, then section 516A section 516A makes it very clear, is applicable. But a man, in whose “ ....produced before any criminal favour the final report is submitted, is court during the enquiry or trial, the not standing trial, how the language court may make such order as it of the section will be available to him thinks fit for the proper custody of in getting back the property? What such property pending the conclusion section will apply to him’ Section of the enquiry or trial”. The hon. 516A or section 517? Member is also aware, either under the Code of Civil Procedure or under This is an anomalous position, 517 the Code of Criminal Procedure, no has been made appealable. Now, if appeal has been provided except in section 516A is also made appealable, a small number of specified cases. If, this anomalous position would be for example, an appeal is to be pro­ removed. That is what I intended to vided against all such orders, there say. It is not a case of withdrawing would be no end of litigation and no or anything of that kind or multipli­ end of costs and no end of trouble to cation of suits or cases the parties concerned Another instance I have cited also Therefore, X would request the hon. remains unanswered by the hon. Min­ Member not to press this Bill. As ister. If he accepts my amendment, far as possible, we have got a big this anomalous position would be Code of Criminal Procedure, and if removed. Let us now take the second any amendments are necessary, they case. Two persons are standing trial. should be considered as a whole and The trial has proceeded to some not in a piecemeal manner. There is length. At the time of trial one Js a Law Commission, and the Law discharged and the other man has to Commission might consider whether stand on trial. The man who has there is any such need. So far as been discharged wants back the pro­ the views of the State Governments perty. The man standing trial, he we concerned or the views of the also wants back the property; that is High Courts are concerned, there are to say, both are claiming the property. 3737 Code o f Crim inal ? MARCH 1M8 Procedure (Amend- 373ft ment) Bill

[Shri Subiman Ghose] Which section will be applicable? have been committed’. If, for exam­ Section S16A or 517? That is another ple, there is one property in respect anomalous position. of which there are some accused who are discharged and some accused niere is no case law on this point. against whom the proceeding is to go It is to remove the anomalous posi­ on, then, he would agree that he is tion I have sought the amendment of not entitled to any order about such section 516A. If that is done, heavens property at all. will not come to the earth. There will not be multiplication of suits. Now Mr. Chairman: Is it the contention it appears a man who has been dis­ of the hon. Minister that if it is one charged, in whose favour the final property and there are 2 or 3 people report has been submitted, has to go who are accused and there are one or to the High Court by incurring a lot a few others who are discharged, the of expenditure. Is it the intention of property will be held on until such the Legislature that a man should be time as the entire proceedings are asked to mcur heavy expenditure for over? going to the High Court? Should he not be given a cheap remedy? Shri Datar: Quite correct. If, for example, m respect of a property an Suppose a case goes on for three offence has been committed by more months, six months or a year. One persons than one, and if one person person has been discharged. He is not has been discharged, it does not mean in the trial. He wants to get back that the property is also free his property. If the court refuses his Mr. Chairman: The answer to the property, it is an anomalous position for him. I want that to be clarified. point made by the hon. Mover is, whether it would not be better to Instead of clarifying that, the Minister allow him to refer an appeal to the has been telling us that it will add to the multiplication of suits. I fail Sessions court to understand how it will add to the Shri Datar: In such a case, it will multiplication of suits. Rather, it be clear that he should not have any makes the remedy cheaper and easier right of appeal at all, because, all these circumstances will be taken into Shri Datar: May I make the posi­ account. If, for example, as I said, tion clear? My hon. friend has not there is one lot of mdependent pro­ read the earlier portion of section perty in respect of which an offence 516A. Where any property regarding was alleged to have been committed which an offence appears to have been by a person or persons and that per­ committed, if there are more than son or persons are discharged, then, one person and more properties, if in that property cannot be called, after respect of one property specifically a the order of discharge, to be a pro­ man has been discharged because he perty in respect of which an offence was concerned with it, I would con­ has been committed. Because, there, ceive without necessarily hazarding the court must have come to the con­ an opinion that m such cases he clusion that that property is not would be entitled to file an application property in respect of which an under section 517A, because, so far as offence was committed. Therefore, he is concerned, he has been dis­ whatever the order at an earlier charged. So far as the specific stage by way of an interim order, property in which he was interested still he can proceed under section 517. is concerned, that property also is no But, if, for example, there is one longer the subject-matter of the property in respect of which more criminal proceeding. Because, the than one person have committed an wording is, *where any property offence, some of them having been regarding which an offence appears to discharged, they will not be entitled 3 7 3 9 Code of Crtabutl ? MARCH 1958 Procedure (Amend- 3 7 4 0 ment) BUI to any order so far as that property In the particular case that the hon. is concerned. There must be a final Member has in view, he believes or conclusion of the trial and then an possibly I understand him to say that order would be passed under section the man was not charge-sheeted at 517. all. Shri P. S. Patel (Mehsana): May I Shri P. R. Patel: Yes. seek an information from the hon. Minister? I beg to submit a case. Shri Datar: During the investiga­ Police investigation is against four. tion, the man was discharged. Then, At the end of the investigation, the this section does not apply at all. police charge-sheets only three and The wording is ‘‘is produced before does not charge-sheet the fourth. The any criminal court". The magistrate property is claimed by the person who or the court has the authority, is is not charge-sheeted. The trial seized of it, only when such property begins against three. At the end of is produced in court. So, the case the trial, the court may pass any that he contemplates is not covered order about the property. The court by this section at all. It has to be may hand over the property to either governed by other provisions, and in of the accused before the court or to such a case the magistrate is seized of the complainant. Is there any provi­ the matter only when it comes before sion in the law to order that the pro­ him; otherwise, he need not enter into perty be handed over to a person who that matter at all. has not been charge-sheeted? Is And then the magistrate has to pass there anything in the law? Further­ an interim order. Assuming, for more, suppose an order is passed that example, out of three persons, he out of the three accused before the hands over for the time being the court, the property be handed over possession of the property to “C”, and to accused C—out of accused A, B and suppose for example he is a tenant in C—, A and B can appeal against the actual occupation of a land under order. Even the complainant can. dispute, then, in that case, it is not Is there anything in the law which such a serious order as to be made gives the right of appeal to a person the subject-matter of an appeal. who had not been charge-sheeted by the police? He claims the property. Therefore, such small things have What is the remedy in law: I ask the to be left where they are, because hon. Minister. these interim orders are without pre­ Shri Datar: I do not think that the judice, they do not affect his rights at case that the hon. Member has in view all. comes within the purview of section Shri Snbiman Ghose: I may make 516-A. Section 516-A should be read, myself clear. The hon. Minister thinks especially the earlier portion. . this is a small matter. It is not a Shri Snbiman Ghose: We have small matter. It may be a small read it many times. matter to him, but might be a life and death question to somebody. Shri Datar: I would read to explain Supposing a lorry has been seized my point. If the hon. Member does by the police during the commission not want, I will not read. of an offence from somebody. He When any property regarding which stands the trial, and another who is any offence appears to have been supposed to be the owner of this committed the word ‘appears* has property is also arrested, and ulti­ reference to the court. And then, ‘or mately when the trial proceeds, the which appears to have been used for magistrate frames a charge against the the commission of any offence, is person from whom the lorry was produced before a criminal court'. seized and discharges the owner. The 374* Cod« of Criminal 7 MARCH 1958 Procftfw* Otmand- 374a mcnt) Bill

[Shri Subiman Ghose] Shri Subiman Ghoae: Yes. owner puts in a petition for the return Mr. Chairman: The question is: of the lorry. The court grants the prayer, but where is his remedy if the "That the Bill further to amend accused in whose custody the lorry the Code of Criminal Procedure, was is acquitted after some time, after 1898, be taken into consideration." 1111*66, four or five months, where does Those in favour will say “Aye". the remedy lie? The so-called owner takes away the lorry. It is not in the Some Hon. Member*: Aye. custody of the court He is acquitted, Mr. Chairman: Those against will then where will he have to go? So say “No”. far as the owner is concerned, the Some Hon. Members: No. trial has been concluded, so far as the man in possession of the property is Mr. Chairman: I think the "Noes” concerned, the trial has not been con­ have it. cluded. That is the anomalous posi­ tion. I wish only to remedy this Shri P. R. Patel: The “Ayes” have anomaly. There is nothing damaging, it nothing of the kind. Only it is ttie Shri Saghonath Singh (Varanasi): day-to-day working difficulty that is The "Noes” have it. being faced by the people concerned. Mr. Chairman: Division has been That should be removed. There Is claimed by the Opposition Let the nothing, no Arms Act, no politics ox lobbies be cleared. any kind here. Shri M. B. Thakore (Patan): We Mr. Chairman: I think the matter are in a majority. has been sufficiently clarified by the 16.52 hrs. hon. Mover and also replied to as tar [Mr Deputy-Sfeaker in the Chair] as possible by the hon Minister. Now, I think, the question is: would the The Lok Sabha divided. hon. Mover like to press it* Ayes 15; Noes 47 Division No. 4] 16.53 hn. AYES Barua, Shri Hem Gaikwad, Shri B K Patel, Shri P. R. Bharacha, Shri Nauthir Ghoae, Shri Subiman Sonule, Shri H. N Cfaakravaitty, Shximati Rcnu Gounder, Shri Shanmuga Thakore, Shri M B Charon, Shri D. R Nair, Shn Vatudevan Warior, Shri Dice, Shri Panigrahi, Shri Yadav, Shri NOES Aehar, Shri Jogendra Sen, Shn Rao, Shri D.V. Afjrakannu, Shn Kadiwal, Shri Reddy, Shri Vitwanatha Barupal, ShriP. L Keihava, Shri Roy, Shri Biahwanath Bauppa, Shri Mafldi Ahmed, Shrimati Sahu, Shri Ramethwar Bhafgava, Pandit Thakur Dat Maiti.ShriN B Samanta, Shri S. C Chaturvedi, Shri Mandal.Shn J. Samantainhar, Dr. Chettiar, Shri R. Ramanathan Mehta, Shrimati Krithna Sambandam, Shri XMjte Singh, Shri Naldutgker, Shri Sarhadi, Shri Ajlt Singh Da*, Shri Ramdhani Nehru, Shrimati Um> Selku, Shri Dasappa, Shri Pahadia, Shri Serrai, Shri Vairavap Detai, Shri Morarji Palchoudhuri, Shrimati lie Sharata, Shri D.C. Dathmnkh,ShrlK. G Raghunath Singh, Shri Siddananftppa, Shri Dwhtdi, ShriM. L Ramanand Shastri, Swamt Sira, Dr. Oangadhara Gandhi, Shri M. M. Ramaiwami, Shri S. V Sabbarayan, Dr. P Ham Ra), Shri Ramethwar Rao, Shn Unrao Slash, Shri ^ulaa Siaba, Shri RanUr Singh, Ch. The motion was negatived. 3743 Indian Pinal Coda 7 MARCH 1898 (Amendment) Bill 3744 INDIAN PENAL CODE (AMEND­ * "qwft” *fa- MENT) BILL f t {Omission of section 497) *fapr »r$ 1 1 Jtrr «rnr % forest * v t *rer vt t fa Shri Raghnnath Singh (Varanasi): I beg to move: v t r vtf fWfgr fa»ft 5^r % * pt sqfvr-^TT ^rreft f , eft eft “That the Bill further to amend wt the Indian Penal Code, 1860, be ?t3tt ft aneft &fa?r fift v t > n r ^ taken into consideration.". ffift t 1 ^ F r TT^T ^ITT iTf t fa arf*rr*rc IT*TT* *TfT JT?T 3ft ^fs*r?T # F r snRaFtf^Tt fa*ftsw*t ^3WP *T f 3TfT ?ro> r r ? ^ V % wifiHR m T wt ^FT ?TWRT j ^ ^ STftf ^ ?r«R Tt arnr ? *wfm *ft afar *TT TOt** f 1 «TT5R?tf t f a ^ ^ P Tt f, 5W *rk Fft sfrft % fiw arrm Shri Nanshir Bharucha (East Khan- wfV+rc ?rtT sitmt spRpr ftrr ^Tff^ 1 desh): Is the hon. Member going to 5^r % ffarr ft, jftFfr withdraw this Bill again? v vft ft?ft =*rfk# 1 Shri Raghnnath Singh: No, I will not withdraw it at present. Shri Naoshir Bharucha: Very un- Mr. Deputy-Speaker: There is no chivalrous. question of withdrawal for the pre­ sent. The question is whether he is Ttfsflw fiff • sptt f, ^fa?r arfr going to move for consideration. That aFTT'T srr t , wfm fcw is all that I am concerned with. ^TRT ft^TT I 3lfT ^ Shri Raghnnath Singh: I am moving ^ nt f . .. for consideration. T«ntaw ’ft ffr^rqr trmr ^ * s ir tt^ ffPT ^t f I 5*ft *Tf ^ afarr *rr w m Tifan fiprr T? 11 # 1 wnrr tt ^ f» ?rr5RTSf % gpqrH ^ m fa *rr* w «ft T%mw ftrf • *r zwrft wr *fk* i v sp?t sri sfttt v w t ^ f t «ft fa f W IT ^ $ fa Sw faft fsp?nf?r#t, f«RTf?nft, eft fa»ft Fft ^t STf^T fr 5TRTT t> «ft **r jw «ft *tft faw rr *t f ^rspT *rsrr eft srRft ^ 1 ^ftcR fin rrvtf fa *r>R CwiP^dt t Tt sfrjt j? tft Fft fa*ft5^«Ft i m f r w t , eft frwrrfif^t ft 1 ^W t ^ft fl^ft ^rffT I *Tf %TT srfT era q r e ft «pt t, jffcra ?tt t, f^nwt A ^r«?F T % >FT «*>? % 3 ° *T 3¥*FT fa*? m x t ^if?rr i i f^r 3745 *wttaw Code 7 MARCH 1968 JKastafffmtn* o f L4gM JtaMwtfin 3746 (Amendment) Bil7 (Taking over by the State) 9M

vt ^TfsPTPTE’ *T 5 *TT^ 3ftTrT For instance, I would have liked him to expatiate on this point. I think # W^r?r fw «rr, ?w t ? this is the third Bill that he has moved «TT ^ W IT «TT I S tar # today. f * # fsfnrr «rr f% fro- Shri Raghunath Singh: No, second. *ff f * fa * * *r 'rrfaTrrre w i r t t Shri D. C. Sharma: Second. Let us take the first Bill he put forward. TV*** *r$N* : «RT ^

w t o w : 1 *tt *nrcr xm v MANAGEMENT OF LIGHT RAIL­ WAYS (TAKING OVER BY THE fa t c ft^ t * STATE) BILL* «ft fair Shri Jhulan Slnha (Siwan): I beg f%^r *?t srm: *rm ^rf^Tcr f w t to move for leave to introduce a Bill *ftr *r £ ^rt f fo fipr#<^< t to provide for the taking over for a limited period by the State of the rfW zr^r q7#5t, # w tf srfimft f t management of Light Railways in the T5TT v far* it* ^ r w »r*r»rc- sr*t i country with a view to improve their working and ensure a reasonable Mr. Deputy-Speaker. Motion mov­ standard of comfort and convenience ed: to the passengers using them.

"That the Bill further to amend Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question the Indian Penal Code, 1860, be is: taken into consideration”. “That leave be granted to intro­ Shri D C. Sharma: I rise to oppose duce a Bill to provide for the tak­ this Bill I do not think the Mover ing over for a limited period by of the Bill has given any arguments the State of the management of in favour of the Bill that he has Light Railways in the country brought forward. He has only stated with a view to improve their that this Bill is a legacy to him from working and ensure a reasonable some kind-hearted Member who was standard of comfort and conveni­ in the House last time but who is not ence to the passengers using in the House now. I have every sym­ them” . pathy with that hon. Member. But I The motion was adopted. must submit very respectfully that the legatee he has chosen is not the pro­ Shri Jhulan Sinha: I introduce the per person for the simple reason that Bill. he has taken over a liability without understanding its implications.

•Published in the Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II—Section 2, dated 7-3-1958 7 MARCH 1998 Salaries and Allowance* o f 3748 Members of Parliament (Amendm ent) Bill

17 hre. Members of Parliament Act, 1954” . SALARIES AND ALLOLWANCES OF The motion was adopted. MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL* Shri N. Keshava (Bangalore City): Shri N. Keshava: Sir, I introduce Sir, I beg to move for leave to intro­ the BilL duce a Bill further to amend the Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The House Salaries and Allowances of Members stands adjourned to meet again to­ of Parliament Act, 1954. morrow at 11 o’clock. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question 17-01 hrs. is: "That leave be granted to in­ The Lok Sabha then adjourned till troduce a Bill further to amend Eleven of the Clock on Saturday, the the Salaries and Allowances of 8 th March, 1958.

•Published in the Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II—Section 2, dated 7- 3- 58. 3749 DAILY DIGBST 3750 F rid a y7 , th M a rc1958 h ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WRITTEN ANSWERS TO 35^-47 QUESTION contd. Subject. Subject S.Q. No. Columns S.Q. No. C olu m n s 732 Development of Tuticorin 705 Rural Electrification in Harbour 353-54S Madras 3511-12 733 Rajasthan Canal 3554 707 Transport Policy of 739 Cinchona Plantations and States .... 3512—16 Quinine 3554*55 708 Cheques System in Post 740 Khandwa-Hingoli,} Link 3555 Offices. • 3516—19 741 Power Supply to West 709 Water supply and Sewage Pakistan. 3556 Disposal in Delhi; . 3519—22 742 Calcutta Port . 3556-57 712 Road Bridge Over Jamuna 3522*23 743 Hindi Telegrams . 3557 7x4 Expert of Sugar 3524—26 744Report of the Chaudhuri 715 Posts and Telegraphs Committee 3S59 Workers 3326-27 745 Bombay-Ahmedabad Janata 3558-59 717 Mineral Waters . 35*7—29 746 United Seafarers Fede­ ration . 3559 718 Railway Freight Struc­ ture Enquiry 3530-31 747 Team of Railway Tech­ nical Officers 3559-60 721 Irrigation in Andhra 3531—33 748 Panchayats in Himachal 723 Bridges on National High­ Pradesh 3560 way 3533 749 Teak Plantation in 725 Agricultural Farms . 3533—35 Andhra 3560-61 728 Nagarjunasagar Project 3535-36 750 Chemical Fertilizers 3561 729 Tungabhadra Project 3536-37 751 Soil Survey of India 3561 730 Purchase of Railway 752 Railway Bridge Over Stores .... 3537—19 Ganges 3561-62 731 T. B. Cases among P&T 753 Fire in Calcutta-Bombay 1562 Employees 3539*40 Mail 734 Remodelling of Station u . :S. Q. No. Yards . 3540—42 894 Dock Workers 1563 735 Periyar and Kundah Po­ 895 Quarters for Port Em­ wer Projects . 3543-44 ployees, Calcutta 3564 736 Eastern Railway Press 3544-45 896 School for Port Workers’ 737 Aroor Bridge in Kerala 3545-46 Children 3564—67 738 Influenza 3547 897 Western Shipping Corpo­ WRITTEN ANSWERS TO ration 1567 QUESTIONS 3547—3622 898 “ G.M.F.” Campaign in S.Q. No. Rajasthan 3567-68 704 Water Rates in States . 3547-48 899Warehouses 3568 706 Price of Rice in Delhi 3548 900 N.E.S. Blocks m Punjab 3569 710 Inauguration of Elec­ 901 All India Transport tric Train Service at Users’ Conference 3570 Howrah . 3548-49 902 Southern Railway] Divi­ 711 Kalka-Simla Railway . 3549-50 sions .... 3570-71 7x3 Babool Bark 35S0 903 Railway passenger Ameni­ ties 3571-72 716 Training of T. B. Wor­ kers . 3550-51 904Posts and Telegraphs Offices 3572 7x9 Slums in Delhi 3551 905 Development of Madras 720 “ Vegetarian Eggs” 3551 Port 3572-73 722 FoodgrainJ Import from 906 Telephone Facilities in U.S.A. . 3551-52 N.E.S. Blocks 3573 724 Electrification of Rayagada 907 Railway Tracks 3573 Railway Station 3552 908 Postal facilities in villages 726 Reserve Forests in Tri­ of Kotah District . 3574 pura .... 3552-53 909 Railway Passenger Ameni­ 727 Training of Civil Pilot ties 3575 MDBLT MCKST 375*

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTION—contd. QUESTIONS— Subject Subject U .S.Q. No. Columns U .s.Q . No. Column# Quarters for posts and 944 Post Office Savings Bank 910 Accounts Telegraphs Staff . 3575 3593 911 Public Call Offices. 945 Labour Cooperative So­ 3576 cieties in I Iamachal 912 Cooperative Sugar Fac­ Pradesh tories .... 3594 3576 946 Rural Electrification in 913Rural Credit Schemes in States .... 3594 States .... 3576-77 947 Purchase of Rice in Fair Price Shops in 914 Andhra 3594 Himachal Pradesh . 3577-78 948 Death of a Railway 915 Potatoes 3578 Gateman 3595 916 Production ofVanaspati . 3578 949Telegraph Office at 917 Animal Husbandry. 3578-79 Mahad, Bombay State . 3596 918 Public Call Offices in 950 Shipping Service on the A.idhra 3579-80 West Coast of India. 3596-97 9*9 Sugar-cane Crushed in 951 Arrival of Trains at Andhra 3580 Delhi .... 3597 920 Calcium Cynamide 3580-81 952 Requisitioning of Food- grains .... 921 Post Graduates in Soil 3597-98 Scienccs 358i 953 Concession in Railway Freights 922 Research in Plant Patho­ 3598-99 logy etc. 3581-82 954Level Crossing at Gudur Railway Station 3599 923 Cocoanut Research Insti­ tute -5x2 955 Fishing 3599-3600 924 Milk Consumption 35»3 95<> Foreign Shipping Trade . 3600-01 925 Post Office Inspectors 3583 9^7 I iport of eggs from Last Pakistan 3601 926 N.Ii.S. Blocks in L’.P. . 358J-84 f>'$N Foot-over Bridge at 927 New Railway Lines 584 *5 Sonepui 3601-0! Suicide by Railway Offi­ 928 959 Assistant Commercial Ins­ cial .... 3585 pectors on the N.E. 929Mail Robberies 358S Railway 3602 930 Delhi-Serai Rohiila Station 3585-86 960 Central Institute ofStudy and Research 3602-03 931 Aerodrome Colonies 3586 961 Bridge on River Digaru 3603 932 Railway Crossing near Annamahi University 5586-87 962 Dairies in Delhi . 3603-04 933 Public Call Office <11 96 Thefts on Railways . 3604-05 Sankarapuram (Madras) 3587 964 Dadar Railway Station . 3605-06 AduUcration of Food 934 965 Nagardevia Railway Sta­ Stuffs. . 3587 tion .... 3606 935 Small-Pox •■087-8* 966 Goods-shed and Platform 936 Railway Protection Forcc . 3*589 ai Charkhi Dadri Sta­ tion .... 3606-07 937 Soil C mssrvation Schemes in Punjab 3589 967 Remodelling of Manmad Station 360 938 Holiday Camps ^589-i.o 9(.S Ticketless Travel . 3607-08 939 Timber in Himachal Pradesh 3590 969 Air-condirioned Bogies . 3608 970 940 Departmental Catering on Ganga Barrage Project 3608 Railway ^91 971 Offences uhder Forest Acr in Tripura 3608-09 941 Tourist Centre atPathan- kot .... 3591-92 972 Telephone Facilities in Assam . 942 Quarters for P. & T. 3609 Employees in Punjab 973 Diesal Trains 36 0 Circle .... 3592 974 Supply of Foodgra>n 943 Small-Pox in Delhi. 3593 3tfxo-zx WRITTEN ANSWERS TO PRIVATE MEMBERS BILLS COLUMN! Q UESTION S— contd INTRODUCED—cotud. Subject Subject (2) The Code of Civil Pro­ U .S Q No C olumns cedure (Amendment) Bill, 975 Highways tn Himachal 1958 (Omission of secdon Pradesh 3611 87B) by Shn M L. 976 Railway Staff Quarters at Dwivtdi Ferozcpur 3611-12 O) The Management of Light Railways Taking 977 N E.S and C D Blocks 36x2 over by the State) Bill, 978 Wireless and 1 eLgraph 1958 by Shn Jhulan Services on N.E. Rly. 36x2 Sinha. (4) The Salaries and Allow* 979 Rural Credit . . 3613 ances of Members of 980 Central Godowns in Pun­ Parhan ent (Amendment) jab . . . 3613 Bill, 1958 (Amendri ent) 981 Grow More frood Schemes 3614 of section (6) by Shn N Keshava 982 Roads in Punjab . 3614 BILL UNDER CONSIDERA­ 983 Shed and Platform at TION Malout Station . 36x4 Shn Raghunath Singh moved 984Electric Supply in Delhi . 3615 that the Indian Penal Code Electric Locomotives (Amendment) Bill (.Insertion 985 3615 <■> new ‘ ection 124B) be taken 986 Irngational Cooperative into consideration I he discus­ Societies 36x5-16 sion was not concluded. 987 Mis-use ol Alarm Chains 3616 PR lV A It MEMBIiRS BILL 988 Railway Concessions 3616 WITHDRAWN 3701- 10 Tube Wells in Himachal Shn Snbin an Ghose nr oved for 989 the consideration of the Pradesh 3617 Indian Penal Code (Amend­ 990 Goods-bookmg on North ment) Bill (Amendn ent of Eastern Railway 36x7 section 304 A) 'I he Bill Cooperative Farming 3618 was withdrawn by leave of 991 Lok Sabha. 992 Minor Irrigation Schemes in Andhra 3618 BILL N LG ATIV ED . 371X— 4i (1) Shn P R Patel moved 993 Rice from Burma . 3619 for the consideration of 994 1'oofun Lxpress . 36x9-20 the Indian Arms (Am­ Bridge at Daryabad 3620 endment) Bill, (Arrend- 995 merit of section of 4). 996 Jodhpur Railway Work­ The motion was nega­ shop .... 3620-21 tived .... (2) Shn Subiman Ghose 997 Poultry Dcvclopircat m Andhra 3621 moved for ihe considera­ tion of the Code of Cn- 998 Ex-Stale Railway Officers 3621 nnnul Procedure (Am­ BILL INTRODUCl D . 3623 endment) Bill (Amend­ Tht Appropriation (Railways) ment of sections S16-A and 517) The motion was Bill, 1958. negatived DEMANDS FOR GRANTS— Ayes • 15 ; Noes 47 RAILWAYS 3623—87 PRIVATI Ml MB1 RS B1I I Further discus ion on Den and UND1R GONSIDtRA 1 ION 3743—46 for Grants in rcsptu ot Railways continued the dis­ Shn Raghunath Singh n oved cussion was not concluded that the Indian Penal Code (An endir ent) Bill (Omis­ PRIVJ1 b MLMBtRS BILLS sion ol section 497) be taken INTRODUCED . 3687 88 into consideration The dis­ 3746— 48 cussion was not concluded The following Bills were in­ AGENDA FORSATURDAY, troduced : RTH MARCH 1958 Consideration and passing of (X) 1 he Code of Ctin inal the Appropriate 1 (Railways) Procedure (Arrcndn eni) BUI 195 k and also passing Bill 1058 (Ame lament) of the Demands for Grants of section '42 » d 562 on Account in respec of the by Shri iUghubir Sbh 1. General Budget for 1958-59.