Monday 8th March, 1954
PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES
HOUSE OF THE PEOPLE
OFFICIAL JREPORT
VOLUME I91954 Sixth Session 1954 PARLIAMENT SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI :^ 9L8D a D e b a te s Acg.. k' .■•..I’2 ^ ' i s : < . ____ TU B Ch .-l:hj ...... ,^ . 7 , ^ . „ . PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES |(Part I*-Questions and Answers) OFFICIAL BEFORT 783 784 HOUSE OF THE PEOPLE (b) According to information availa ble, 79 cattle were lifted during the Monday, Qth March, 1954. period 1-1-1953 to 31-1-1954. out of which 30 were returned. The HoiLse met at Two of the Clock. Sardar Hukam Singh: What are the reasons given so far as the non-return [Mr. Speaker in the Chair] of others is concerned? ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS The Deputy Minister of External Afl- airs (Shri Anil K. Chanda): (a) There Sm ug g lin g and C attle L if t in g lot of correspondence is going on with regard to the identification of cattle *745. Sardar Hukam Sinffh: Will the etc. Prime Minister be pleased to state: (a) whether there is any co-ordina Sardar Hukam Singh: What is the tion and co-operation in checking number that we have returned out of smuggling and cattle lifting at the the number that we got? border check posts of the two Punjabs; and Shri Anil K. Chanda: I would like to have notice. (b) the number of cattle heads Sardar Hukam Singh: Is it a fact that lifted from Indian territory by Pakis recently one Indian was kidnapped and tanis during 1953-54 and the number killed and his dead body was given to returned? our side; and if so, was there any other case before that also? The Deputy Minister of External Affairs (Shri Anil K. Chanda: (a) There Shri Anil K. Cbanda: This Q u estio n is a procedure in existence for co-ordi r e f e r s to c a ttle . If th e h o n Member nation and co-operation between the would table a separate question, I police authorities of Punjab (I) and would enquire and let h im know. Punjab (P) for the prevention of bor der incidents and raids includiru? cattle Shri Muniswamy: May I know whe lifting by the nationals of one country ther there was any case wherein the in the territory of the other. Periodical raiders committed the offence with the meetings are held from time to time help of the Pakistan police? between the two police authorities to discuss and review the sHuation on the Shri Anil E. Cbanda: With regard to border. There is no special ororednre a question that I answered the other for co-operation in checking smuggling day, there was some allegation that at the border checkposts though I may the dacoits from the other side of the add that, from time to time, the police border had some sort of connection officials on either side do discuss also with the police people on the other problems connected with smuggling. side. 759 P.S.D. 786 78 5 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers U . S .-P a k ista n M ilita r y A l lia n c e Th. Lakshman Singh Charak: May I know the number of people who have *746. Th. Laksbman Singh Charak: come into India and the number who Will the be pleased to Prime Minister have gone out of India during this state whether there has been any difference in the normal movement of period? , people from Pakistan to India and vice versa since reports of the talks on U.S.-Pakistan Military alliance Shri Anil K. Chanda: I have got the appeared in Press? figures with regard to the migration from East Bengal into West Bengal, The Deputy Minister of External Assam and Tripura. They are as fol Affairs (Sbri AnU K. Chanda): No. lows: From East Bengal into : Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. First fortnight 1953 1953 1953 1953 Dec. 1953 West Bengal 4>J40 3,223 4,379 3,2X2 2,303 Assam 640 428 576 287 Tripura 543 123 381 227 184 C ycle I ndustry Shri Bahadur Singh: May I know, Sir, *747. Shri Bahadur Singh: Will the the value of imports of cycle parts Minister of Commerce and Indostry during 1953? be pleased to state: Shri Karmarkar: I could give him (a) the annual production of cycles the figures of import of bicycles, en by the Punjab Cycle Manufacturers; tire, and in sections. In 1952-53, the (b) whether the Tariff Commission number was 1,97,565. In 1953-45 (for has received representations from six months ended September) it was these manufacturers asking for pro 47,683. I have no specific figures for tection to this industry; parts. (c) whether the Tariff Commission Shri Bahadur Singh: Are there any has considered those representations; standards prescribed for indigenous and manufacture, and if so. how do they compare with those of the imported (d) if so, what is the decision? D a rts ? The Minister of Commerce (Shri (Karmarkar): (a) According to produc Shri Karmarkar: Recently there was tion report received by Government, a meeting of the concerned interests. the number has increased from approxi They are thinking about the standardi mately 12.500 in 1952 to nearly 45,000 sation of parts. Regarding the Quality. in 1953 I may inform the House, for instance, that small units in the Punjab are re (b) Yes, Sir. ported to be producing chain wheels (c) and (d). The report of vhe Com and cranks of a superior quality at a mission is awaited. much lower cost. That is my informa tion at the moment. Shri Bahadur Singh: May I know the number of firms manufacturing cycle parts and the amount of total capital invested? Sihri Karmarkar: I cannot give the t ? w ^ qwr ^ amount of capital invested, but the I % ^ ^ n number of firms in the Puniab in 1953 was 241. 78 7 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 788 •ft : 3ft ff, 3fr Sardar A. S. Saigal: May I know whether that memorandum was con ^ anfT % t| f ^-r ^ sidered by the Jha Commission or 517^ 11 >rPT *T 3ft ^rr^Pp^ Shri AnU K. Chanda: Sir. as I said *nnf f ^ ?f«BTr ?^r?< p r t : in my answer, the recommendations of the Jha Commission are yet a con fidential document which is now before 1951-52 2,83,127 (whole or in the Government at the highest level parts) for their consideration, and I suggest 1952-53 1,97,565 Do. Sir. that no supplementaries may be asked with regard to the Jha Com 1953-54 (April 47.683 Do. mission to September)...... Mr. Speaker: Not about the con ^ 5 c n r : w ^PT^rr tents. His Q u e stio n is whether the re «rr fv M-*rm *ift smft I fr ^ presentation was considered. 5T JPIKT M a nager , T echnical I n stitu te , F ari - Shri Karmarkar: Our attention is at DABAD the moment devoted to the develop *749. Sbri V. P. Nayar; (a) Will ment of the Tad gur industry and not the Minister of BehablUtatlon be to the question of repalcement of pleased to state whether it is a fact sugar by Tad Gur. that the Manager, Technical Institute. Faridabad, has applied for a monthly Shri Nanadas: in view of the fact remuneration, over and above the that this palm gur industry is widely contract terms? prevalent in Andhra, may I know whe ther this magazine is published in (b) What has been decided regard Telugu? ing the salary to be paid to the Manager? Shri Karmarkar: No; it is being published in English and Hindi. The Deputy Minister of Rehabilita tion (Shri J. BL Bhonsle): (a) and (b). Sbri Jhulan Sinha: What has been Yes, but his request was turned d'jwn the extent of increase in the maund- and his services terminated with eff age of palm gur manufactured in this ect from 4th January, 1954. country as a result of the action taken by the Government? P a lm G ut *^750. Sbri Jhulan Sinha: Will the Shri Karmarkar: The actual in Minister of Commerce and Industry crease in production is reflected in the be pleased to state: figures for 1948-49 which was 17,845 lbs. and the estimated figure for 1952 (a) the total annual expenditure 53, which is 59,104 ibs. over the monthly publication Tad G ut Khabar; U. N. C o m m issio n on R acial D iscr im in s TION (b) the areas where it is distributed; and *751. Shri S. N. Das: WiU the Prime Miniater be pleased to state: (c) the expansion of the Palm gur Industry as a result of the superinten (a) whether there has been any dence of and direction given by the widening of the terms and scope of Palm Gur section of the Ministry? the UJ^. Commission of Inquiry on the The Minister of Commerce (Shri racial discrimination in South Africa; Karmarlcar): (a) to (c). A statement and is laid on the Table of the House. [See Appendix III, annexure No. 45.] (b) the nature of work that the Com mission has decided to do since the Shtl Jhulan Sinha: May X know whe U.N. General Assembly passed the ther the total expenditure, or any oor- resolution to continue the Commis tion, incurred on this publication is sion? replenished by the sale or exchange thereof? The Deputy Minister ' of External Shri Kataarkar: So far as I know, Affairs (Shri Anil K. Chanda): (a) these are grants for 'the propagation Yes. The U. N. Commission was origi of Tad gur. nally required to study the racial si tuation in the Union of South Africa Shri J h m n Sinha: May I know if in the light of the purposes and Prin the Government l&as taken into con ciples of the Charter with due regard sideration the possibility of replacing to certain articles thereof. In the last the entire production of sugar in this Resolution passed by the U. N. Gen country from sugarcane by developing eral Assembly on the 8th D e c e m b e r this Tad gur industry, in view of the 1953, the Commission has been atked large number of Tads available in not only to study the development of this country? the racial situation in the Union with 791 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 792 reference to the various implications M ahatm a G a n d h i Sam adhi of the situation for the populations *752. Shri Kriihnacharya JMhi: affected and in relation to the pro Will the Minister of WoriES, Housing visions of the Chapter but also to sug and Supply be pleased to state: gest measures which would help to al (a) whether a new model of the leviate the situation and promote a Samadhi of Mahatma Gandhi at Raj- peaceful settlement. ghat has been prepared and completed by the C.P.W.D.; and (b) The Commission held its first meeting in New York on the 17th (b) if so, when the work of recon February 1954, and is reported to have struction of the Samadhi at Rajghat begun a study of its plan of work. will begin? The Minister of Works, Housing Shri S. N. Das: May 1 know whe and Supply (Sardar Swaran Singh): ther the Government is aware of any (a) and (b). As I stated on the 15th change having been made by the Go December 1953 in answer to Shri S. N. vernment of South Africa with regard Das’s question, the advice of some ex to their attitude towards this Commis perts has been sought on the lines on sion and whether they have offered which modifications', it any, will be any terms on which they will allow desirable in the model prepared by the Commission to go and enquire the Central Public Works Depart into the territory? ment. The suggestions received in response to this request are now Shri Anil K. Chanda: If there is any under consideration. It will -there change, I am afraid, it is a worsening fore take a few months for any of the attitude towards the Commis other model to be prepared and for sion. the work at Rajghat being taken in hand. Shri S. N. Das: May I know whe ther any copy of the first report which Shri Krishnacharya Joshi: What the Commission submitted to the U. N. will be the estimated cost of construc General Assembly has been received tion? by the Government of India and, if so, Mr. Speaker: It will be difRcult to whether it is available? give the estimate unless the design is finally settled. Shri Anil K. Chanda: I certainly re member, when we were in New York Sardar Swaran Singh: Obviously in connection with the last General not, Sir, because that will depend Assembly meeting, the reports were upon the final form n* the model. made available to us. But, if the hon. ^ nW pf FfT : % Member wants to know if we can make copies available to the Members of the House. I am afraid, we will have # WT ^ ’ft f to approach the United Nations Orga nisation here to supply copies at the published price. Shri B. S. Murttiy: May I know whe ther the Commission had made any complaint that the South African Go Shri T. N. Singh: May I know whe vernment has not co-operated in this ther the views received Jby the Gov enquiry? ernment on their proposed memorial scheme have suggested any drastic Shri Anil K. Chanda: Well, it is change requiring complete modifica very well-known that this Commis tion of their proposed two or three sion has received up till now no co models and, if so, what is the direc operation whatsoever from the Gov tion in which the Government is con ernment of the Union of South Africa. sidering the modification of their plan? 793 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1964 Oral Answers 794 Sardar Swaran Sinffh: It is a rather State Government at the time of the very complicated question that has First Five Year Plan or at the time of been put, because to attempt any cor the adjustment? rect answer, I will have to sum up In Shri Radha Raman: At the time of brief the various advices that have the adjustment. been received. Some of the opinions that have been received do suggest Shri Hatbi: About four schemes are some modifications of the existing still under consideration and eighteen models; there are others that simply have been accepted. reject the models but do not offer any alternative. There is yet another set Shri Radha Raman: May I know if which suggests something which is some amount, which was sanctioned entirely different from others. That is for expenditure, was not spent by the the reply that I can give. State Government and had to be left over in the year 1952-53? D evelopm ent S chem es in D e l h i Shri Hathi: If it relates to a parti *^753. Shri Radha Raman: Will the cular scheme. I could not reply. Minister of Planning be pleased to state: H an d lo o m W eek (a) the aggregate amount sanctioned *754. Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: Will by Government to the Delhi State for the Minister of Commerce and Indus various development schemes; try be pleased to state: (b) the amount already drawn; (a) whether it is a fact that a Handloom Week was recently observed (c) the number of development throughout the country under the schemes submitted against the sanc auspices of the All India Handloom tioned amount; Board; (d) the number of schemes so far accepted; and (b) whether it is also a fact that some grants were made to all the (e) how long it will take to accept States for observing this week; and the other schemes? (c) whether spme grants were also The Deputy Minister of Irrigation made to those co-operatives which and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) to (e). participated in observance of that A statement is laid on the Table of week? the House. [See Appendix HI, annex- ure No. 46.] The Minister of Commerce (Shri Karmarkar): (a) The Handloom Shri Radha Raman: May I know the Week is being observed from the 7th number of schemes sanctioned for re March. 1954. moval of unempl 03mient, both rural and urban? (b) and (c). Government have agre- . ed to make some grants for the pui> Shri Hathi: Several schemes, which pose to the States and the Coopera have been Included, may, to some ex tive Societies. tent or other, achieve that object, but specifically for that particular pur Dr. Ram Subhag Siifgh: What is the * pose no scheme has been included. amount of the grant that the Gov ernment has agreed to give? Shri Radha Raman: May I know the num.ber of schemes submitted by the Shri Karmarkar: The total amount State Government and the number is Rs. 1,35,000 to all the States. that was not accepted by Government out of those schemes and the reasons Dr. Ram SuUiag Singh: Is it for all therefor? the States? Shri Hathi: Does the hon. Member Mr. Speaker: Is it for all the States refer to the schemes submitted by the collectively? 795 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 796 Shri Karmarfcar: For all the States the heads of such institutions are held that made the request. for co-ordinating the research done in the Jodhpur college? Ar id Z one R esearch Shri Hatlii: No, Sir. THe work has *756. Shri S. C. Samanta: Will the not actually started yet. Minister of Irrigation and Power be pleased to state: M anufacture of F oun ta in P ens and I n k (a) whether it is a fact that the *757. Shri K. P. Sinha: Will the Jaswant College at Jodhpur has been Minister of Commerce and Industry associated with the arid zone pro be pleased to state: gramme of the UNESCO; (a) whether it is a fact that a new (b) if so, when; and plant for the manufacture of fountain pens and ink is to be set up at Banga (c) what are the advantages derived lore; by this college by such association? (b) what would be the total expendi The Deputy Minister of Irrigation and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) Yes. ture involved in setting up this plant: and (.b) April. 1952. (c) when it is expected to go into (c) The advantages are:— production? (i) The institution will be includ The Minister of Commorce (Sbrl ed in the mailing list of the UNESCO Karmarlcar): (aj Yes, Sir. and will be able to obtain various (b) The capital of the company is publications of U. N. O. on the sub Rs. 5 lakhs. ject of arid zone. (c) The Ink is expected to be j^ut (ii) It will get preferential ti^eat- on the market shoa-tly. The produc ment for financial assistance for work tion of fountain pens will start in under arid Zone programme of about a year. UNESCO. Shri K. P. Sinha: May 1 know when (iii) Research done at the initi the new plant comes under produc ation will be co-ordinated with that tion, how its capacity would compare done at other institutions in India with foreign production that has been and abroad. operating in India? Shri S. C. SamaAta: In the fourth Shri Karmarkar: The production session of the Arid Zone Advisory capacity immediately would be about Comfhittee, it was discussed that a 800 gross per annum, which could be training centre will be established in sljepped up by 50 per cent in the Delhi. May i know whether this has second year, and it could be raised been established? further thereafter to 3,000 gross per Shri Hathi: No, Sir. annum. ■ Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know Shri K. P. Sinlia: May I know if It whether the arid zone research sta is a fact that the indigenous industry tion, that was decided to be estab is facing difficulties in competing with lished in Rajasthan, will be establish the foreign production and if it has ed near about this college? requested Government to supply it with cheaper raw materials? Shri HatU: That is going to be dis cussed in the next session to be held Shri Kannaritor: Care has been in Paris in May 1954. taken in this matter. Th~e indigenous industry is concerned with the pro Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know duction of fountain pens of Rs. 10 and whether any periodical conference of below, but this particular concern 797 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 798 manufactures three Qualities of foun (d) The Madras Government have tain pens— S u p p l y o f B hakra N angal E lectricity with me the full schedule but it is rather long? ♦760. Shri D, C. Sharma: Will the Minister of Irrigation and Power be Shri D. C. Sliarma: May I know if pleased to refer to the reply given to some amount of this electricity will starred question No. 805 asked on the be released for civilian consumption; 10th December, 1953 and state: I mean for civilian consumption other than agriculture or industry? (a) whether the recommendations of the Advisory Committee appointed by Shri Hathi: If by civilian consump the Government of Punjab on the tariff tion, the hon. Member means consump for the supply of power to Punjab and tion flor domeisitic purposes, it will PEPSU from the Bhakra Nangal Pro be released. * ject have been examined; and Shri L. N. Mishra: May I know whe (b) if so, what are the conclusions? ther the Committee of enginears which was appointed to advise on the The Deputy Minister of Irrigation and suitability of having a second power Power (Sliri Hathi): (a) Yes. Sir. plant in BTTakra-^angal has submitted its report and if so, what are its recom (b) The recommendations have mendations? been generally accepted with the pro viso that the Rajasthan Jlovt. may Shri Hathi; They have not yet sub vary the rates laid down in order to mitted their report. cover the line losses and expenditure I ndian M erchants A ssocia tio n in G ib on transmission lines, if supply of raltar power to Rajasthan is eventually de cided, and that the Govts, of Punjab «761. Shri Gidwani: Will the Prime and PEPSU may make minor adjust Minister be pleased to state: ments under special circumstances. (a) whether Government are aware Any substantial modifications in the that the Indian Merchants Association rates considered necessary by these in Gibraltar has complained that Govts, will however have to be refer undue restrictions on Indian trade and red to ttie Control Board for approval. the employment of personnel in Indian Firms are being placed by the Shri D. C. Sharink: May I knd^ if authorities in Gibraltar and bona fide there is going to be different tariffs Indian visitors are being ejected from for agricultural and industrial Jon- there by the Commissioner of Police; sumption? (b) whether Government have re^ Shri Hathi: Yes. Sir. Different tariffs ceived any representation from the All- are provided for large industrial India Sind-work Merchants’ Associa power, for medium industrial power, tion, Bombay in that connection; and for small industrial power, for agri culture and cottage industries. (c) the action Government have taken in the matter? Shri D. C. Sharma: May 1 know the approximate difference that will be The Deputy Minister of External between electricity that will be used Affairs (Shri AnU K. Chanda): (a) for agricultural purposes and electri and (b). The Government of India city used for industrial purposes? have received representations from these organisations. Shri Halilii: It will depend upon the (c) The Indian High Commissioner nature of influstries, whether it Is a in London has made appropriate re large industry, medium or small. For presentations to the United Kingdom large industries it is 0.05 of an anna Government from time to time. In per KWH for the first 100,000 per month April last year, the Government of it again varies according to the load, India deputed a senior officer to Gib e.g. 0.60 anna for the next 200,000 per raltar to inquire into the complaints. month etc. There are different sche He had discussions with representa dules for different loads. I have got tives of the Indian community and 8o i Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 802 with the local authorities, and was as but up till now, we have not been in sured by the latter that there would formed of any specific cases. We have be no discrimination against Indians, written to associations concerned to let but they could not be exempted from us know of any specific cases of illegal some local laws of general application, ejectment and we will take up the about which they had complained. matter with the Colonial Office. Shri Gidwani: In view of the reply, N a tion a l E x ten sio n Schem e may I enquire whether the British Gov *^762. Shri B. K. Das: Will the Minis^ ernment has been impressed upon to ter of Planning be pleased to state: see that no such restrictions are plac ed on Indians which are not placed on (a) what amounts have so far the British merchants in India? There been given to the different State Gov should be no discrimination; what I ernments for the National Extension mean to say is that certain restrictions Service Blocks; and on Indian trade and in other matters (b) what portions of the amounts are being put in Gibraltar and the given will be treated as loans to the British merchants in India are not State Governments and what portions suffering from such disabilities will the as the contribution of the Central Government see that these are remov .overnm entt ed? The Deputy Minister of Irrigation Shri Anil K. Chanda: So far as Gib and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) and (b). raltar is concerned, these disabilities A statement giving the required infor apply with equal force to British na mation is laid on the 'Pable of the tionals as well as to Indian nationals. House. [Sec Appendix III, annexure These are the general laws. If there Is No. 47.] any discrimination, it applies with equal empffasis to all concerned, ex Shri B. K. Das: It appears that the cepting the Gibraltarians. amounts given to the Stateg have been made on an ad hoc basis. May I know Shri B. S. Murthy: May I know, what would be the share of the State after the assurance given by the au Government and the share of the Cen thorities at Gibraltar, whether the con tral Government on the total expendi ditions of Indian merchants there have ture of Rs. 7i lakhs for eacih block that been improved? is being made? Shri Anil K. Chanda: The chief diffi SCiri Hathi: The present amount that culty is this: no Indian trader there is is given is an advance loan; ultimately allowed to keep more than two Indian the share of the Central Government clerks with him and there hag been will be 50 per cent, recurring and 75 general demand that this restriclion per cent, non-recurring expenditJure. should not be there. But ther Gibraltar The total gant amounts to Rs. 7.5 Government informed us that this is lakhs. a general rule .but specific cases of Shri B. K. Das: May I know whether any special hardship would be sympa the total share that is borne by the thetically considered by the Govern State Government will be given as a ment. loan, or a part of it will be given as Dr. Ram Suhhag Singh: May I know loan and the rest will be borne by the whether any Indians were ejected from State? Gibraltar Because of local restrictions Shri Hathi: Fifty per cent, of recur as the Miritster says, after the repre ring expenditure and 75 per cent of sentation was made to the Govern non-recurriflg expenditure will b t borne ment of India? by the Centre; the remaining 25 oer Shri Anil K. Gbanda: I would not be cent and 50 per cent subsequent to this surprised if there had been some cases year will have to be borne by the State of ejectment of Indians from Gi*braltar Government 8o3 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 804 Shii B. K. Das: My point is whether I m m ig r a tio n in t o M alaya the total amount will now be given as loan or whether a portion of it will be *766. ShH Bhagwat Jha Aiad: Will given as loan... the Prime Minister be pleased to state: Mr. Speajker: From what he says it is (a) the number of Indians living in clear that The entire amount will be Malaya; and given as loan. (b) whether the Government of Malaya has put any ban on Indian im Shri Lakshmayya: May I know how migration? much amount has been given to the Andhra State? The Deputy Minister of External Affairs (Shri Anil K. Cbanda): (a) Shri Hatfkl: At present Rs. II lakhs About 696,400. have been given to the Andhra State. (b) No. New Immigration Regula T extile M il l s in H athras tions were brought into force in Malaya *763. Shri S. C. Singhal: Will the on 1st August, 1953. Fresh immigration Minister of Commerce and Industry be will now be permitted only under cer pleased to state: tain conditions, the criterion being whether such immigration will be for (a) the number of textile mills in the good of the people of Malaya. , Hathras that are closed at present; (b) for how long they have been Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: May I know closed; if it is a fact that certain rights which (c) whether all the wages of the were enjoy^ previously by the Indian workers have been paid; and nationals there have recently been cur tailed and that distinctions are being (d) how many workers have been made beftween Indian nationals and thrown out of employment? non-Indians? The Minister of Commerce (Shri Karmarkarr: (a) Two. Shri Anil K. Chanda: The question, I am afraid, is a little vague. But so far (b) Lallamal Hardeodas Cotton Mills as the entry of new immigrants is con is closed since 15-12-53 and Ramchand cerned, the laws hold good with regal'd Spinning and Weaving Mills since to every foreign national, 1-12-53. (c) Government have no information. Shri Muniswamy: May I know whe ther it is a 'fact that there are restric (d) 1,879 workers have been affected tions on Indians in Malaya purchasing due to the closure of these mills. immovable property? Shri. Anil K. Chanda: I would like to # w ^ ;srm ^ ^frfw ^ ^ iFff have notice of that question. ^ I ? v r r o r t : ?5T- Second F ive Y ear P lan *767. Shri L. N. Mishra: Will the Minister of Planning be pleased to state: (a) whether a technical committee has been set up to examine the inclu OT % ^ p i t • sion of new projects in the second Five Year Plan; and •ftlpsro ?fto vtftM s(St »rf ? (b) if so, the broad outlines of the principles on which the said committee would decide the cases? 805 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 8o6 The Deputy Minister of Irrigation : anft ?nr srff i and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) and Cb). An Advisory Committee to consider ir rigation and power projects for the S tate E nterprises second five year plan has been set up. Copies of a letter dated October 5,1953, ♦770. Shri Tulsidas: (a) Will the issued to State Governments and of a Minister of Prodnction be pleased to Government Resolution dated 20th Feb state whether Government propose to ruary, 1954 on the subject are laid on consider the feasibility of publishing the Table of the House. [See Appendix the accounts of all State Enterprises in III, annexure No. 48.] commercial form? Shri L. N. Mishra: May I know how (b) Do Government propose to con co-ordination between the technical sider the feasibility of constituting committee and the existing committees every State Enterprise into an auto on priorities in respect of power and nomous body and associating in its irrigation is proposed to be maintained? management non-offlcials drawn from SDiri Hathi: I do not think there is Commerce and Industry? any existing committee for priorfties. The Minister of Production (Sbri Shri L. K, Mishra: May I know whe K. C. Reddy): (a) The accounts of all ther any decision has been made Sate Enterprises run as joint stock about the size of the projects for which companies are maintained in commer recommendations are to be received cial form and conform to the require from the various States? ments of the Indian Companies Act in all respects. The balance sheets and Shri Hathi: No decision has been profit & loss accounts of all such enter made as to the site. Only proposals prises with the single exception of the are invited from the States concerned. Indian Rare Earths Ltd. are laid cn Shri L. N. Mishra: Before they make the Table of the House or placed in any recommendation will the State Gov the library of the Parliament. As re ernment be informed as to who will gards statutory corporations, the form bear the financial responsibility of the and method of publishing the accounts projects? are prescribed by the relevant enact ments. Shri Hathi: This Committee is not concerned with questions of financial (b) Barring enterprises of strategic resources or as to wWo ds going to bear importance and of public utility, such the financial responsibility etc. This as the Ordnance factories, Railways, committee is only to give advice as to Posts & Telegraphs and other similar which of the projects are complete in undertakings, which are departmental investigations and should be included. ly managed, all state commercial enter Shri Meghnad Saha: May I know prises are as far as possible run as auto whether the Committee contains any nomous bodies, that is, as statutory cor non-official members? porations of joint stock companies, as sociating with them non-offlcials from Shri Hatlli: Yes, there is one repre trade and industry. sentative of the Institution of Engine ers and there are two engineers who Shri Tulsidas: May I know which of are not in the service of any State the State enterprises engaged in manu Governmenf. facturing, maintain an up-to-date de TH? *• Wr ^ HWT partment of cost accounts? gtIT 5T Shri K. C. Eeddy: It is too wide a iftT'TT % PWT # STPfV question, but there are cost accounts officers and requisite steps are taken ^ f t, V k with a view to look to that aspect of the undertaking. 8 07 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 808 Shri Tulsidas: May I know what is relevant clauses in the articles of the present percentage rate of depreci association of these various concerns ation on fixed assets provided by each providing for the audit of the Audi such enterprise? tor-General. At least in one or two Mr. Speaker: That is a very wide cases I am aware the Auditor-General question. It will depend upon the has undertaken the audit of these ac counts. nature o( the assets. Shri Tulsidas: There must be a T ea Board standard rate of depreciation. I want to know what is the rate percentage. *771. Shri Hem Raj: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry Shri K. C. Reddy: If the hon. Member be pleased to refer to the answer to puts a separate question on this point starred question No. 821 asked on the I will ,be able to answer. The answer 10th December, 1953 regarding consti will have to differ from industry to tution of the Tea Board and state: industry and from circumstance to cir (a) whether the Tea Board has cumstance. If he wants any definite in since been constituted; and formation with regard to any particu lar undertaking, I will be able to ans (b) if so, the number •of represen wer it if sufficient notice is given. tatives thereon from various interests? Shri Tulsidas: May I know by how much the cost of production in each of The Minister of Commerce (Shri these enterprises is higher or lower Karmarkar): (a) and (b). The Cons than the landed cost of similar import titution of the Board will be notified ed products and the cost of similar pro shortly. ducts manufactured in India? U . K .-J apanbse T rade P act Shri K. C. Reddy: Sir, I am afraid, *772. Shri L. Jogeswar Singh: Will the hon. Member’s question is again the Minister of Commerce and Indus more of a general nature. try be pleased to state: Mr. Speaker: It is a very wide ques (a) whether Government was con tion, sulted by the Government of be-’ Shri Tulsidas: If I ask a question fore the U.K.-Japanese trade pact with reference to the accounts of a was signed; commercial enterprise, whether it is (b) whether by such pact India's more or less, does it not follow out of the original question? export position in textile goods will be affected in Commonwealth coun Mr. Speaker: I did not say that it tries and British Colonies; does not follow from the original ques tion. I only said that it was a very (c) if so, to what extent; and wide question and it would not be (d) what are India’s measures to possible for the Minister to answer. counteract the decline, if any, in the If he has any specific questions he textile trade? may be ask. The Minister of Commerce (Shri Shri T. N. Singh: How many of these Karmarkar)! (a) No, Sir. State enterprises are commercially au dited by th'fir own private auditors and (b), (c) and (d). It is not possible how many are audited by the Auditor- to assess a! present its effect on our General? export trade in textile goods. Shri K. C. Reddy: The accounts of Shri L. Jogeswar Singh: May I know all the commercial enterprises are au how the position of exports of textile dited by their own auditors. No com goods to Pakistan compares before and mercial enterprise can carry on with after the UK-Japanese Trade Pact was out i!s own auditing. Also, there are signed? 8o9 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 8lo Shri Karmarkar: I would require quarters are for the employees. That is notice. all I can say. Shri L. Jogeswar Singh: May I know Shri P. C. Bose: May I know how whether it is a fact that the export posi many workers are still without any tion of textile goods to the British colo quarters? nies in Africa and other Common wealth countries has been greatly Shri K, C. Reddy: According to the affected by this Pact? figures that I have here, as much as 84 per cent have been provided with Sfari Karmarkar: It has not affected some sort of accommodation. For the now. What the further effect will ibe remaining T6 per cent, construction has yet to be seen. programme is under way and within Shri Tulsidas: When India is in the one or two years we will be able to Sterling pool, may i know whether it provide accommodation for all the em is not advisable that whenever trade ployees. agreements between the UK and other countries are made, we should be con Shri BL K. Basu: What are the rents sulted in these matters? charged for this accommodation pro* vided by the Government and may I Shri Karmarkar: No, Sir, if my hon. know how they compare with private friend means consultation before a houses there? trade agreement is signed. In this par ticular matter, we did have informa Shri K. C. Reddy: I would require tion of what was going on. In regard notice. I would also indicate the diffi to the specific terms of the agreement, culty of comparing rents that are being UK is not bound to share its confidence paid in other commercial enterprises. with us. There are so many all over the country. E m ployees in S in d r i F actory Mr. Speaker: Houses in that locali •773. Shri P. C. Bose: WUI the ty; not in the whole of the country. Minister of Production be pleased to state: Shri K. C. Reddy: I require notice. (a) the number of houses so far built for the accommodativ>n of em ployees and labourers working at iWUi ^ITRf the Sindri Fertilizer Factory; and (b) the future programme, if any, for house building at Sindri? The Minister of Production (Shri ffrspT 5ft K. C. Reddy): (a) and (b). 2,559 hous ^ ^ f ? es already built by the Factory. Be sides, 586 houses are under construc The Deputy Minister of Rehabilita tion and the construction of 655 quar tion (Shri J. K. Bhonsle): The informa ters is under consideration during tion is being collected and will be 1954-55. laid on the Table of the House in due In addition 380 quarters are propos course. ed to be constructed under Industrial Housing Scheme. Shri P. C. Bose: May I know how many houses have been built by the factory for market purposes, for shop keepers, in that area? Shri K. C. Reddy: I am sorry, I have not got the break-up here. Most of the Shri Nanadas: May I know ...... 8ii Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 812 Mr. Speaker: Let the information be R ailw a y C ollieries coJlected. Next question. *778. Shri K. C. Sodhia: (a) Will Shri Nanadas: I want to ask one the Minister of Production be pleased more question. to state the approximate total num ber of labourers working in the Rail Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Next way Collieries at present? question. (b) In how many of these Collieries has the contract system of coal rais C onferences o f E ngineers ing been abolished? *777. Shri Ramachandra Reddl: (c) What was the total amount paid Will the Minister of Irriffation and to the contractors under this system Power be pleased to state: during 1952-53? (a) the number of conferences of (d) What is the total wage bill of Chief Engineers of the Centre and labour during 1953-54 on this account? States convened by Government dur ing 1952-53 and 1953-54; and The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Production (Shri R. G. (b) the decisions taken and the im Dubey): (a) About 29.140. plementation of such decisions to evolve a uniform and co-ordinated (b) The system has already been policy? aboilished in nine out of the eleven Railway Collieries. A decision has The Deputy Minister of Irrigation been taken to abolish the contract and Power (Shri Hatfii): (a) One in sys^tem in the two remaining oollieries 1952-53 and one in 1953-54. also and every endeavour will be made to complete thig by 1st April, 1954. . (b) A statement is laid on the Table of the House. [See Appendix IH, an- (c) Rs. 49,77,046 nexure No. 49.] (d) Rs. 30,71,644 (upto 31-1-1954). Shri Ramachandra Reddi: From the statement, it is found that the conclu sions reached were in the nature of Shri K. C. Sodhia: Was there any recommendations. May I know how fall in the output of coal as cwmpared many of these recommendations have to last year? been examined, how many accepted Shri R. G. Dubey: This relates to and how many implemented? the output. Shri Hatffl: They are still under ex Mr. Speaker: Perhaps he wants to amination. know the effect of the abolition of the contract system and its benefit. Shri T. S. Singh: Is it true that one of the demands of this Engineers* con Shri R. G. Dubey: So far as my ference was that they should be given knowledge goes, it has not affected Secretariat jobs, and if so, what was the output Of coal. the Government’s reaction? Shri K. C. Sodhia: To what factor Shri HatIH: Perhaps the hon. Mem is the fall in the revenue of Railway ber is mixing up the conferences which collieries due? are under reply and the conference of Mr. Speaker: This does not seem the Central Board of Irrigation and to arise out of the question. Power. That conference is not the sub ject-matter under reply and the Gov Shri K. K. Basu: May I know whe> ernment di3 not convene that confer ther the labourers in the Railway ence. collieries are paid according to the 813 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 814 Cemtral Pay Commission’s recom Shri N. Somanai: May 1 know whe mendations, and is there any category ther it is Robusta or Arabica that was of workers who are not yet paid released for export? according to these reconunendations? Shri Karmarkar: Arabica. Shrl R. G. Dubey: This is a diffe Shri Raghuramaiah: May 1 know rent question, but I should like to say, whetheir this policy of granting res subject to correction, that the recom tricted export permits is due to any mendations have been substantially desire on the part of the Government implemented. As tTie cises are to propagate use of coffee in this brought to the notice of the local country or due to any want of demand authorities, they are being reviewed. from outsidef , Shri Nageshwar Prasad Sinha: May Shri Karmarkar: The consumers are I know if Government have already demanding greater quantity of coffee taken a decision that the management inside the country. Therefore, our and control of Railway collieries will export policy has to be reilated to the be made over to the Ministry cf Pro internal demand. duction by the Railway Ministry? If 80 . from when? Shri N. M. Lingam: May I know if owing to the non-export of surplus Shri R. G. Dubey: From 1st April. coffee in time the Coffee Board had to incur large losses on account of dry C offee age and waTehousing charges? If sc, what is the estimated loss? *779. Shri N. Somana: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry Shri Karmarkar: I do not think be pleased to state: there is any loss. (a) whether any portion of last Shri M. S. Gurupadaswamy: May I year’s coffee crop is still remaining un know whether a deputation of coffee sold with the Coffee Board; planters waited on the hon. Minister (b) if so, the quantity; recently and represented that in case the coffee stocks are not cleared, the (c) whether Government are con coffee may deteriorate, and if so. what templating to permit any export of assurance was given by the hon. Minis coffee in the near future; ter to the deputationists? (d) if so, how much; and Shri Karmarkar: I am not aware (e) the present price of coffee? of that deputation, but so far as the stocks are concerned, they are not The Minister of Oommerce (Shrl such a quantity as will result in loss Karmarkar): (a) Yes, Sir. either to the growers or to the Coffee (b) Approximately 2,774 tons at the Board. end of February, 1954; Shri A. M. Thames: May I know the (c) and (d). 1,000 tons have been total quantity exported *o far? May recently released for export out of the I also have an idea of the world price 1953-54 crop. The question of releas of coffee now, and whether there Is ing further quantities will b© decided any wide disparity between the local from time to time. prices and the world price? (e) The average price realised in the Shri Karmarkar: About world prices, Pool Auctions in February, 1954, was I have no figures at the moment. The Rs, 210/3 per cwt. for Plantation A, total quantity exported last year was Rs. 163/1 for Arabica Cherry Flats 3,000 tons, and during the current and Rs. 139/6 for Robusta Cherry year up till now, 1,000 tons have been Flats, ex bags ex works (exclusive of permitted to be exported. We are Sales Tax, but including Excise Duty). likely to export more in the future. «I5 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 8i 6 Sbri Matthen: I am told that the but it was found that his move was world price is very much higher, and much more? restricted. it is more than double the price pre vailing in India. Is that true? Shri M. S. Gunipadaswamy: Is the ho The Minister of Information and U. N. E xpert M ission Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): (a) There '*'782. Th. Lakshman Singh Charak; are seven Newsreel Cameramen at Will the Minister of Planning be present. pleased to state: (b) Two of the Cameramen are at (a) what suggestions were made by Bombay, two at Delhi, and one each the U. N. Expert Mission on Commu at Calcutta, Madras and Lucknow. nity Organisation and Development in India; Shri B. S. Murthy: May I know whether the Governments of Andhra. (b) whether the suggestions have My0PTe and Travancore-Oochin have been accepted by Government; and been asking for newsreel cameramen (c) if so, what were the suggestions their headquarters? accepted and the action taken there on? Keskar: At the recent Inform a- VMinisters* Conference, most of The Deputy Minister of Irrigation States asked that they should have jcameraman posted at their head- and Power (Shri Uathi): (a) to (c). fters. But the question has to be No official (report of the U. N. Mission ^ed to the items that they can has been received. The suggestions 7er and the money that we can made by the Mission in informal dis end on it. We would certainly lik^ cussions were already a part of the j increase the number of cameramen programmes of Community Projects ds much as We can. and National Extension Service. A statement summarising these sugges Shrt B. S. Murthy: What is the tions i.s laid on the Table of the necessity for stationing two camera House. [5ee Appendix III, annexure men at Bombay? No. 50.] Dr. Keskar: The newsreel camera Th. Lakshman Sinjrb Charak; May men who are posted at Bombay do not I know whether this Mission came to Hke photographs only in the Bombay India of their own accord, or on our 'te, but they cover a very large area invitation? ^h includes not only the Bombay e, but the adjoining States as Shri Hathi: They did not come on our invitation, but they came after j U. The reason for their being sta- |oned in Bombay is that it facilitates our approval, of course. ^heir move to some States much better Th. Lakshman Singh Oharak: Did than if they were posted elsewhere. We contribute towards their travelling Formerly one was posted in Nagpur, expenses? 759 PSD 8i 7 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 8 ig Shri Hathi: No. Sardar Hukam Singh: Is it proposed to reduce it further so that our towns, Shrl N. M. Linsram: May I know might get more electricity? whether the suggestions made by this Mission have been approved by the Shri Hathi: That can be done by Intensive Evaluation Organisation, in mutual agreement. This Agreement their recommendations? has been arrived at after ✓ mutual Shri Hathi: We are still awaiting agreement between the two countries. the final annual report of that Orga nisation. T obacco S u ppl y of E lectricity to P akistan *784. Shri S. N. Das-. Willi the Minis *783. Sardar Hukam Singh: Will ter of Commerce and Industry be the Minister of Irrigation and Power pleased to state: be pleased to state: (a) whether the assistance of Gov (a) whether the supply of electri ernment has been sought by the city is being continued to Pakistan; tobacco trade to overcome the diffi and culties which have arisen from the (b) if so, whether the bills are be accumulation of Indian tobacco at ing paid regularly? foreign ports and by the glut of low The Deputy Minister of irrigation grade tobacco in the country; and Power): (Shrl Hathi): (a) Yes. Sir, (b) if so, what suggestions have been made by them: . (b) Yes, Sir. Sardar Hukam Singh: May 1 know (c) what action Go¥ernment pro whether the quantum supplied, and pose to take in regard to the propo the rate charged in 1947 are being sals; and continued now or there have been (d) what is the present position ’ any variations in them? this matter? ^ Shri Hathi: The rate has been the same, but the quantum^ of electricity The Minister of Commerce ^ supplied has been decreased. Karmarkar): (a) Yes, Sir. er e Sardar Hukam Singh: What is the (b), (c) and (d). Two staterrft duration of the agreement that exists are laid on the Table of the Hcfc just at present, and when was it [Sec Appendix III, annexure No. 5 entered int^>? Shri S. N. Das: May I know whe Shri Hathi: This is for one year. these suggestions which have been in Sardar Hukam'Singh: is it proposed corporated in the Statement^ were to enter into any long-term agreement received by Government, and how with Pakistan in this regard? long more do Government propose to Shri Hathi: Not yet. take to arrive at decisions on these Sardar Huicam Singh: Are there points? demands in our Punjab that the quan Shri Karmarkar: I think these sug-^ tity they get is much less, and that they want much more? gestions have been received durlr/- the last six months. As my 1;' Shri Hathi: Exactly that is one of friend will know from Statement the reasons why the power supply to already some* suggestions have t. Pakistan is being reduced. Of course, considered and action has been take that is being done by mutual agre^ by Government. Recently, the Minis ment. We used to supply about ter of Commerce and Industry visited 9.000 KWH in 1948, but now it Is only Guntur. There also he heard repre 4.000 KWH by mutual agreement. sentations on this subject. A joint 8 i 9 Oral Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Oral Answers 820 mev?ting ol our Ministry and the Minis Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know try of Food and Agriculture has been whether anything has been done for scheduled for the 9th March for a planting trees in the border areas of detailed consideration of these sugges the Rajasthan desert? tions. Shri Hathi: Yes, there is a prog Shri S. N. Das: May I know the ramme. It is being attended to by the names of the foreign ports where Food and Agriculture Ministry. stocks hav© accumulated and thg ex tent to which these stocks have been Shri S. C. Samanta: Has any re disposed o£ by now? ____ search done at the Jaswant College* Jodhpur, been brought into use in Shri Karmarkar: 1 have no informa these desert areas? tion about the foreign ports where . storks bnvfi amimu^ated. Shri Hathi: No work has yet been Shri L. N. Mishra: May I know done, except perhaps getting some whether it is a fact that the British geological and hydrological data. import tariff policy has proved un favourable to Indian tobacco and whe Shri S. C. Samanta: Are we not ther this point was raised at the getting any help from the Committee Sydney Conference? scientists attached to UNESCO? Shri Kannarkar: The Sydney Con Shri Hathi: We have submitted a ference and this question do not seem scheme, and we have also asked for to be related. I have no information, some financial assistance. but 1 will look into it. H andloom I ndustry Shri Raghuramaiah: What is the approximate value of the inft^rior grade •786. Shri K. P. Sinha: Will the of tobacco that is in stock in this Minister of Commerce and Industry country? be pleased to state: Shri Karmarkar: The estimates vary (a) the steps taken by Govern between 20 million lbs. and 50 million ment so far for organising the hand- lbs. Much o f it is low grade loom Industry; tobacco. (b) the quantity of handloom goods Anm ZoNL Research Station produced in the year 1953 and the quantity lying in stock at present; ♦785. Shri S. C. Samanta: Will the and Minister of Irrigation and Power >:e pleased to state: (c) the main features of improve ment in the Handloom Industry after (a) whether any Arid Zone Re the constitution of the All-India Hand search Station has been established or loom Board? is proposed to be established in India; and The Minister of Commerce (Shri Karmarkar): (a) The steps taken are (b) the improvement so f a r m a d e explained in the pamphlet entitled in t h e Arid Zones of I n d ia ? “The AH India Handloom Board-First The Deputy Minister of Irrigation Annual Report”, copies of which have and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) A pro been supplied to the Library of the posal for the establishment of a House. “Development and Research Centre’' at Jodhpur is under consideration. (b) Production of Handloom cloth in 1953 is estimated at over 1,100 (b) Information is being collected million yards. No information is and will be laid on the Table of the available about quantities of hand House. loom cloth in stock. 821 Oral Ajiswers 8 MARCH 1954 822 (f) it is loo early to make an assess WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ment. From the reports received C o a l P u r c h ^^se b y P a k is t a n about the quantities of yarn lifted by the State Governments, it appears *755. Shri M. R. Krishna: Will the that the position of accumulations of Minister of Commerce and Industry handloom cloth in the country is be pleased to state: easier tban it was in 1952. (a) whether U Is a fact that the Pakistan Government are gradually Shri K. P. Sinha: May I know whe lessening the purchases of coal from ther the marketing ofTiceis who organise India; and the market in foreign countries have been aoi^ointed, and if so, have they (b) what reasons were given by the joined their posts? Pakistan Government for this action? Shri Karmarkar: Yes, there was an The Minister of Commerce (Shri idea. I have no information here as Karmarkar): (a) and (b). The de to whether they have been actually mand placed by the Pakistan Gov appointed. ernment for Indian coal has shown some decline in recent months. It is Shri M, D. Ramasami: Will the reported that the reason for this de *‘Handloom Week’’ be an annual cline is lessening of the demand from feature? East Pakistan. Shri Karmarkar: We h o P e so. F e r t il iz e r s >^759. Pandit D. N. Tiwary: Will the D istribution o f " E l e c t r ic it y fr o m B h a k r a - Minister of Production be pleased to " N a n g a l state: *^787. Shri D. C. Sharma; Will the Minister of Planning be pleased to (a) whether it is proposed to reduce refer to the reply given to starred the prices of fertilisers of the Sindri question No. 805 asked on the 10th Fertiliser and the Travancore Ferti December, 1953 and state: liser and Chemical factories as a result of the additional income being (a) whether the Committee appoint derived from the by-products at these ed by the Planning Commission to factories; and advise on a rational programme of capital expenditure on transmission (b) the by-products being manu and distribution of electricity by the factured at these places? Bhakra-Nangal Project has submitted The Minister of Production (Shri its report; and K. C. Reddy): (a) and (b). Sindri Fertilizers and Chemical Limited .— (b) if so, what are its main con Calcium Carbonate Sludge is the only clusions? by-product produced at Sindri now. It is being stored at present and will be Tho Deputy Minister of Irrigation eventually sold to Messrs. Associated and Power (Shri llathi): (a) No. Cement r!nmn,nnip«; T.imUprI manu facturing cement. It may be possible (b) Does not arise. to reduce the selling price on this account wheti it is actually sold. Shri D, C. Sharma: By what time will this be done? Messrs. Fertilizers and Chemicals (Travancore) Limited. —^Messrs. Fer Shri Hathi: May be by the end of tilizers and Chemicals (Travancore) this month. Limited, however, produce a number of by-products, viz., Calcium Carbonate Sludge, wood 8 23 Written Ansv)ers 8 MARCH 1954 Written Answers 824 Ashns, wood tar and surplus Carbon- the requirements of t h e Shipping Com div)xide, all of which are not yet mar- panies. Port Trust etc 1. Being a smaller unit with a high n r ^ production cost, it is understood they have no proposal at present to reduce their price. 9T T r a d e P a c t w i t h W e s t G e r m a n y the Minister of Oommercc and Indus try be pleased to state whether liquid *775. Shri N. L. Joshi; Will the gold is being manufactured In India Minister of Commerce and Industry for locaj consumption? be pleased to state the terms of the trade pact with West Germany? (b) Is it a fact that liquid «old Js also being imported into India? The Minister of Commerce (Shri (c) What quantity has been import Karmaricar): The text of the renewed ed within the last three years? trade arrangement between India and Western Germany has not so far been The Minister of Commerce (Shri received. Copies of the trade arrange Karmarkar); (a) Yes, Sir, to a ment will be placed in the Library limited extent. of the House as soon as possible. (b) The reply is in the affhmative. (c) Precise information Is not avail S a l t able, as thij item is not specifically shown in the Indian Customs Returns. ♦776. Shri Morarka; Will the Minis ter of Production be pleased to state: T e a P r ic e s i n A s s a m (a) the reasons for the decline in *790. Shri L. Jogeswar Singh: (a) production in the Rajputana Salt Will the Minister of Commerce and Sources Division; and Industry be pleased to state whether it is a fact that the price of different (b) the steps that are proposed to kinds of loose tea in the local market restore full production? of Gauhati has gone up from 12 to 14 annas per pound during the first week of February, 1954? The Minister of Production (Shri K. C. Reddy): (a) and (b). A state (b) Has there been a similar rise ment is laid on the Table of the in price of tea in other parts of Assam House. [See Appendix HI. annexure and adjoining States Uke Manipur and No. 53.] Tripura? Z 82 Written Answers 8 MARCH 1964 Written Answers 828 (c) What are the direct causes for this rise in prices and disappearance of first quality tea? ( ^ ) ft, rft f^5 ff if (d) What steps have so far been taken to arrest the rise in prices and to arrange for an adequate supply ^ t ? of first quality tea in these areas? The Minister of Commerce (Shri The Minister of Commerce (Shrl Karmarkar): (a) Excluding the period Karmarkar): (a) and (b). There has of stock piling following the Korean been an all round increase in the boom i.e. 1951-52, the normal level of price of all varieties of tea during exports has been maintained. 1953-54. (b) Does not arise. (c) The rise in price is due to im proved demand for tea in the foreign I n d o -P a k is t a n A g r e e m e n t markets and to improvement in the f Sardar Uukam Singh: quality of tea produced. Generally, *793. "1^ Shri D £ Sharma: tea produced in Assam is sold at Cal cutta through auctions and agency Will the Minister of Rehabilitation houses. Only small gardens which do be pleased to state: not produce best quality tea sell their (a) whether it is a fact that Pak teas locally. istan had suggested that implementa (d) The matter is under considerar tion of the Movable Property Agree tion. ment of August 1953 between the two countries should »begin on 1st January F o r d F o u n d a t i o n E x p e r t T e a m 1954; and *791. Shrl N. L. Joshi: WiJ the Minister ^ Oomiiierce and Industry (b) whether the agreement has been be pleased to state: implemented on that date? (a) since when the American and The Deputy Minister of Rehabilita Swedish team of experts enlisted by tion (Shri J. K. Bhonsle): (a) Yes. the Ford Foundation has been touring Pakistan Government had suggested 1st the country; and January, 1954, as the date for com mencement of implementation. This (b) the places that they have visit date has been accepted by the Gov ed so far? ernment of India, The Mfnister of Commerce (Shri (b) Necessary implementation ins Karmarkar): (a) since the 4th Decem tructions v/ercf issued simultaneously ber, 1953. The Team has concluded both in India and Pakistan only on the its tour. 23rd January, 1954, and the prelimi nary action as required under these (b) A statement is laid on the Table of the House. [See Appendix III, instructions is being taken. annexure No. 64.] R a d io P a rts •794. Shri S. C. SamanU: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry be pleased to state: (a) whether any attempts have been made to manufacture radio parts in ( v ) «piT India; and (b) if 80 , with what results? 829 Written Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Written Answers 830 The Minister of Commerce CSCiri N ic o tin e f r o m Tobacco Dust Karmarkar): (a) and (b). Some 135. Shri Dabhi: Will the Minister components such as transformers, of Commerce and Industry be pleased chokes, coils, paper and mica capaci to state : tors, wave-band switches, potentio (a) the total annual quantity of to* meters, cablnetts, loudspeakers, tuning bacco dust available in the country; assemblies and hardware parts are already being manufacture^ltTIndia. (b) the quantity and value of nico tine produced from tobacco dust during E xternal P u blicity 1952 and 1953; *795. Th. Lakshman Singh Charak: (c) the names of factories where Will the Prime Minister be pleased to nicotine is beint? manufactured from state: tobacco dust; (a) the amount spent on external (d) the annual output of each of publicity in the year 1953; and these factories; and (b) the number of publications and (e) the annual production capacity pamphlets that have been released on of each of these factories? Republic Days of 1953 and 1954? The Minister of Commerce (Shri The Deputy Minister of External Karmarkar): (a) About 38 million lbs. Affairs (Shrt AnU K. Chanda): ( a n t is estimated that the total expenditure (b) So far as Government are on External Publicity during the aware, Nicotine is not produced in financial year 1953-54 will be Rs. the country. 6f,44,300. (c) (d) and («)• Do not arise. (b) A statement is laid on the Table of the House. [Sec Appendix III, annexure No. 55.] CONFBRENCE OF BURMESE AND M a NIPURI Officiai -s Shri L. Jogeswar Singh: ^ ^ ^ *79«. Shri Rishang Keishing: Will the Prime Minister be pleased to sta te : ^ ftr : (a) whether it is a fact that a repre ( ^ ) ^ sentative conference of Burmese and ^ 0,000 Manlpuri officials was held at Somra (Upper Burma) sometime in the 2nd week of February, 1954; ^rrnr— ^ ^ m i ^ (b) the subjects that were discussed at the conference; and JTT ftF ’iHt ^TPR ^ snra ^ ; (c) the decisions arrived at? The Deputy Minister of External Affairs (Shri Anil K. Chanda): (a) (b) and (c). The Government of In dia have no information regarding this (»t) irwf PPH ftTT conference!. It may, however, be mentioned that local officials bave ^ f t been permitted to correspond and hold discussions with their counterparts (^ ) ^ ^ ^ m across the border on matters of a purely routine and local nature. 831 Written Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Written Answers 832 The I>eputy Miiuster of Irrigation The Minister of Production (Shri and Power (Shri Hathir: (a) By K. C. Reddy): (a) The available esti Gandhi Sagar Dam alone. mates of per capita consumption in countries named are of the order in (b) Rana Pratap Sagar Dam is ex dicated. pected to generate about 90,000 K.W. Of electric power at 60 per cent. load factor. (b) Shortage of steel in the re quisite categories has been responsible (c) Madhya Bharat—Ujjain, Indore, for some slowing down in various en Ratlam and Dewas. gineering Industries. Position Is re- Heved, however, by imports. Rajasthan.—Jaipur, Kotah Sawai Madhabpur, Lakaeri, Bundi and (c) The production in the Rourkela Newari, Steed Plant will be comprised mainly of plates, sheets and strips. It is Bhopal.-—Bhopal. expected to cover the deficit in flat (d) 1960. products estimated in 1958. P roduction o f Steel (d) The matter is under examina tion. 137. Shri Meghnad Saha: WUl the Minister of Production be pleased to (e) Assuming that the hon. Mem state: ber refers to the establishment of another steel unit after the projected (a) whether it is not a fact that the new steel Plant, no indication can per capita production of steel in India possibly be given at this stage on the is only 7 lbs. against Spain’s 50 lbs. point raised. and U.S.A.»s 1.400 lbs.; (f) It has been made known that (b) whether it is noti a fact that in the projected steel Plant the num the dearth of available steel is res ber of Germans to be employed will ponsible for the partial or complete be kept down to the minimum com paralysis of many other industries mensurate with the requirements of started by Government and the pub efficiency. Indians will meanwhile lic, e.g. the Chittaranjan Locomotive receive specialized training for the Works, the Viskhapatnam Ship Yard, progressive replacement of German the automobile industry and a host of technicians. others; E g y ptia n T rade D elegation (c) how far the production of the new factory at Rourkela would meet 138. Sardar Hukam Singh:' Will the the existing demands for steel; Minister of Commerce and Industry be pleased to state: (d) what are the plans of Govern (a) whether it is a fact that an Egyp^ ment for starting new steel works to tian Trade Delegation visited our meet the demands of industrialisa country during December 1953-Janu- tion; ary 1954; (e) if a third steel plant is decided (b) what places in India were visited upon in the near future, whether Gov by the delegation; ernment propose to call foreign ex (c) whether the delegation was perts to erect the plant or will get it sponsored by the Egyptian Govern done by Indian experts; and ment; and (f) what steps are being taken to (d) if so. whether any progress was achieve complete technical autonomy achieved in our commercial relations in the matter of future steel produc with that country as a result of the tion? visit of this delegation? Written Answers MARCH 1954 Written Answers 8 3 3 8 834 The Mlnmter of Commerce (Shri F aridabad T ec h n ic a l I n st itu t e Eannarkar): (a) Yes, Sir. 140. Sliri V. P. Nayar: (a) WiU the Minister of Rehabilitation be pleased (b) New Delhi, Calcutta and Bjm- to state whether the production of the bay. Faridabad Technical Institute has in (c) Yes, Sir. creased, since the present Manager took over and if so, by hoW much? (d) They had discussions with the Federation of Chambers of Commerce (b) Will a statement be laid on the and Industry in Delhi and with the Table of the House showing details of tea, jute and cotton interests in Cal production of each of the various items cutta and Bombay. There were, how produced in the Institute, for six ever, no oflflciaj discussions at Gov months before and six months after ernment level with the Delegation. the present Manager took charge? The visit of the Delegation was only of an exploratory character, and The Deputy Minister of Rehabilita therefore, it is not possible to say at tion (Shri J. K. Bhonsle): (a) and (b). present what progress has been There was some decrease in the achieved by this visit in the commer production of Technical Institute after cial intercourse between India and the Ex-Manager, S. Madhu Sudan Egypt. Singh took over on 29th June 1953. This was due to the general strike of workers in August-September, 1953 and the subsequent shifting of the machinery of different sections to pro per sheds. A statement showing the ^ irqrr iV : production of the Technical Institute during the periods 1st January, 1953 ( ^ ) to 30th June, 1953 and 1st July. 1953, to 31st December, 1953 is placed on the Table of the House. [See Appen dix III, annexure No. 56.] N ew sprin t 141. Shri S. N. Das: Will the Min ister of Commerce and Industry be (»t) ftRTTr^Tf^^^rr^rqrr; pleased to state: (a) the present requirement of news { ^ ) ^ ’pnfr- print in India; f ^ T fsR>r ’TfT «TT ? (b) what part of it is met by indi The Minister of ProduoUon (Sluri genous production; K. C. Reddy): (a) 2,65,602 tans. (c) the names of countries from where newsprint was imported in (b) This is estimated to be 4,44,757 1953, giving the quantity and price in ions (including that procured Irom each case; and other sources). Separate consumption figures for ammonium sulphate drawn (d) if there is any indigenous pro from Sindri are not available. The duction in India, the sources of sup total quantity despatched fi\>m Sindri ply? during 1953 was, however, 2,56,609 tons. The Minister of Commerce (Shri Karmarkar): U) 60,000/70,000 tons (c) 15,100 tons (including 100 tons per annum. gifted to Ceylon under Colombo Plan). (b) There Is no indigenous produc (d) 63,803 tons at Sindri. tion at present. 835 Written Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Written Answers 836 (c) A statement is attached. [Sec curring expenditure on these trans Appendix III, anneocure No. 67.] mitters is less than on older types so far as valve replacements and cost of (d) Does not arise. power supply are concerned. Survey of Unemployment Ste el B arrel FACTORres 14 2/ Shri Dabhi: 144. Shri Bansal: (a) Will the \ Pandit D. N. Tiwary; Minister of Commerce and Industry Will the Minister of Planning be be pleased to state the number of concerns manufacturing steel barrels pleased to state: for petroleum and petroleum products (a) whether the survey of unem in the country at present? ployment conducted in the 18 towns (b) What is the rated capacity of of India during the last year has now each? been completed; (c) How many of them are com (b) if the answer to part (a) above pletely or predominantly foreign- be in the affirmative, the results there owned? of in eaph of these towns; (d) What are the names of these foreign-owned companies? (c) the exact method or methods adopted for the survey in these towns; (e) When did they start production in this country? and (d) who conducted the survey? The Minister of Commerce (Shri Karmarkar): (a) and (c) to (e). A The Deputy Minister of Irrigation statement is attached. [See Appendix and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) 1x> (d). III, annexure No. 59.] A statement Is laid on the Table of the (b) The total capacity is over 35,000 House. [See Appendix III, annexure tions per annum. No. 58.] CvLCirrTA C o r po r a t io n Wireless Transmitters 145. Shri S. C. Samanta: WiU the 143. Shri S. € . Samanta: Will the Minister of Works, Housing and Sup Minister of Information and Broad ply be pleased to state: casting be pleased to state: (a) whether the long-standing dis (a) the steps that have been taken pute between the Government of India to replace the old type of transmitters and the Corporation of Calcutta with which are used for broadcasting; and regard to realisation of rate bills of the Central Government's properties (b) whether it is a fact that the in Calcutta has been settled; and new types of imported transmitters are very simple, require less space (b) if so, how? and are cheaper? The Minister of Works, Housing and Supply CSardar Swaran Singh): (a) The Minister of Information and No, Sir. Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): (a) Some (b) Does not arise. of the projects in the Five Year Plan for the development of broadcast T ea C hests ing in India involve replacement of 146. Shri Nanadas: Will the Minis transmitters, i.e. where one of a higher ter of Commerce and Industry be power is to be set up, Nv> s t ^ has pleased to state: yet been taken to replace transmitters which have served their normal life. (a) the annual production of full size and half size tea chests in 1952 (b) It is true that modem trans 53 and 1953-54 in approved plywood mitters require less space. The re factories in India; Written Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Written Answers 8 37 838 (b) the total number of tea chests be granted by the Salt Commissioner. (full and half size, separately) con The manufacture of salt by an indivi sumed in tea plantations in India; dual or group of individuals in areas of 10 acres and less is. however, at pre (c) the quantity out of that re sent, exempt from licence. This ex ferred to in part (b) above drawn emption will be limited to areas of 2^ from plywood factories in India for acres and less from 1st March, 1955. the years indicated in part (a) above; and Control on the movement of salt Is (d) the quantity supplied by each exercised by the Central Government indigenous plywood factory? to a limited extent by ensuring that the salt moving under the Zonal The Minister of Commerce (Shrl Scheme drawn up by the Central Karmaikar):(a) The tatkl production Government under Section 27(A) of of tea chests by the approved plywood the Indian Railways Act, 1890, en factories in India during the calendar joys “preferential traffic”. There is years 1952 and 1953 was 4*82 million no restriction otherwise on the move sets and 3.17 million sets respectively ment of salt from the sources of pro Separate figures for full size and half duction by road, river, ordinary rail size chests are not available. trafflf? or any other mode of transport. (b) On the basis of tea crop produc Sale of salt is not controlled by the tion in India during the years 1952 Central Government but some State and 1953, it is estimated that the total Governments exercise control of sale number of tea chests consumed by the by distribution and price controls. tea plantations during the«se years was roughly 5.4 and 5,3 million sets res A list showing the different types pectively. of Controls over salt exercised by the States is attached. [See Appendix (c) About 4 36 million and 2-97 III, annexure No. 60.] million chests respectively during the years 1952 and 1953 from approved (b) A statement giving the desired factories. information is attached. [Sec Appen dix III, annexure No. 60.] (d) Precise information is not rea dily available. C loth Export to Pakistan Salt 148. / Shrl G. P. Sinha: \ Dr. Ram Subliag Singh: . . . fShri Dabhl: \S h r l Morarka: Will the Minister of Commerce and Will the Minister of Produetion be Industry be pleased to state the num pleased to state: ber of bales of cloth which have been sent to Pakistan in 1953-54 as far as (a) the nature and extent of the information is available? control on the production, movement The Minister of Commerce (Shrl and sale of salt in the country; and Karmarkar): 13,25,000 yards of cotton (b) the present prices at whicih salt piecegoods of the value Of Rs. 10,64,000 is sold in different Part States and have been exported to Pakistan bet Delhi as compared to the prices when ween April, 1953 up to the end of the salt duty was in force? January, 1954. The Minister of ^oduction ( 8bri Ri BHEH T ybks K. C. Reddy): (a) Under the Central 149. Shri U. M. Trivedi: (a) Will Excises and Salt Act, 1944 and the the Minister of Commerce and Indus Rules made thereunder the production try be pleased to state the firms or manufacture of salt is subject to manufacturing pneumatic tyres in the terms and conditions of licence to India? 8 39 Written Answers 8 MARCH 1954 Written Answers 840 (b) What dividends have they paia X-R ay A p p .\ra tu s to their shareholders during the last three years? 150. Shri B* S. Murthy: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry (c) What is the percentage rise in be pleased to state: the price of tyres as between those obtaining in 1940 and 1950? (a) the steps taken to manufacture (d) Has the price of raw rubber X-ray apparatus in India and the gone down 300 per cent, during the results thereof; and last six months? (e) If so, has there been a corres (b) the number of X-ray appara ponding fall in the price of tyres? tuses imported during 1953-54? The Minister of Commerce (Shri The Minister of Commerce CShri Karmarkar): (a) A firm is already Karmarkar): (a) (1) Messrs. Dunlop manufacturing X-ray and other Elec Rubber Co. (India) Ltd., Calcutta. tro-medical apparatus in the country. (2) Messrs. Firestone Tyre & Rubb Permission has been given to another er Co. (India) Ltd., Bombay. firm also for the production of this equipment. (3) Messrs. Travancore Rubber Works. Trivandrum. (b) Statistics relating to imports of (4) Messrs. National Rubber Manu *X-ray Apparatus* are not available as facturers Ltd., Calcutta. they are not separately recorded in the Accounts relating to the Foreign (b) Full and precise information Is (Sea, Air and Land) Trade and Navi not available. gation of India. However, Electro (c) 120 to 145 per cent, for certain medical apparatus (including X-ray selected sizes of motor car tyres. apparatus) to the value of Rs. 18,48,300 were imported during the (d) No. Sir. seven months from April to October, (e) Does not arise. 1953. CONTENTS {Vol. II— From(Vol.II 6th 8th March, March, 1954 1954) to 2$th March, 1954) Columns Saturday^ 6th March, 1954— Motion for Adjoummexit— Nomination of an Anglo-Indian to the Tiavanoore-Cochin Legislative A s s e m b l y ...... i j g ^ j g j c Papers Laid on the Table— - Statements showing action taken by Govenmient on various assurances etc.. 1386 Demands for Grants—^Railways...... Demand No. i—^Railway B o a r d ...... ______1476 Monday, 8th March, 1954— Repon of I.F.C Enquiry Committee ...... 1481 Demands for Grants— Railways...... i^gj ____ 1577—158# Demand No. 1—Railway B o a r d ...... 1483—1539^ Demand No. 3—^Miscellaneous Expenditure ...... 1483 _____ 1539 Demand No. 4—Ordinary Woiking Expensesi—Administration . . , 1483___1539 Demand No. 5—Ordinary Working Expenses—Repairs and MainterariCt . i<4o—1575 15'77—1582 Demand No. 6—Ordinary Working Expenses—Operating Staflf . . . 1540—1575, ^ 1577—158X l/«tatemcnt r« rice deal with Burma ...... 1575—1576^ Tuesday, 9th March, 1954^ Business of the H o u s e ...... • , 1585 __ 1586 Railway Budget—Demands for Grants— ...... Demand No. 7—Ordinary Working Expenses—Operation (Fuel) . . jggj Demand No. 8—Ordinary Working Expenses—Operation other than staff an d Fuel 1683 Demand No. 9—Ordinary Working Expenses—MisccUaneous Expenses . 1683; Demand No. 9A—Ordinary Working Expenses—Labour Welfare . . 1592 ___ 1641 Demand No. 10—Payments to Worked Lines and others .... 1683___1684 Demand No. II—^Appropriarion to Depreciation Reserve Fund . . 1684 Demand No. 12A—Open Line Works (Revenue)—^Labour Welfare . . 1592—1642 Demand No. 12B—O ^ n Line Works—(Revenue) Other than Labour W d- ...... 1593—164J Demand No. 13—^Appropriation to Development Fund . . . . 1684 Demand No. 15—Construction of New Lines—Capital and Deprcciaticn Reserve Fund ...... 1643—1681 Demand No. 16—Open Line Works—^ A d d itio n s ...... 1643 ____ 1682 Demand No. 17—Open Line Works—^Replacements .... 1643___ 1682 Demand No. 18—Open Line Works—Development Fund .... 1643___ 1682 Demand No. 19—Capiicj Outlay on Vizegapfiiem Port .... 1684 Demand No. 2C—^Dividend pajable to General Revenues .... 1644__ 1682 Appropriation (Railways) No. 2 Bill—Intrcdnced and Passed . . . 1684 1685 General Budget—Demands for Grants on A c c o u n t ...... X685 ____ 1714 Appropriation (Vote on Account) Bill—Introduced and Passed . . . 1714—1716 (i) " P^{ ^.y r:..m Lib:---. ih^Uing f . r . m m rv.. v:;^e efeo-:. Acg- D9!9d.,...g.«.'/i'.S.?ii/.=.... PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (Part I I — ^Proceedings other than Questions and Answers) OFFICIAL REPORT 1480 1479 hon. Members; that was the dropping HOUSE OF THE PEOPLE of the question-hour sometime, off and Monday, 8th March, 1954 on. Some Hon. Members: No. The House met at Two of the Clock Mr. Speaker: If that is not accept [M r. S peaker in the Chair] able, I do not think I can accede to extension of time. I shall call upon QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS the Minister to reply today or to morrow, according te iiis convenience. (See Part I) Half an hour at the end will be re served for that purpose. 3 P.M. Shri Nambiar (Mayuram): We have already lost two hours from the time REPORT OF I. F. C. allotted for the Railway Budget. We ENQUIRY COMMITTEE cannot give time for the hon. Minis ter from Railway Budget. It is a Mr. Speaker: Before the House pro difficult situation; we have already ceeds further, 1 wish to fix up time lost enough time. for continuation of the discussion on the Industrial Finance Corporation Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The Enquiry Committee’s Report The most difficult situation is for one who extension is rather an unusual one. has to take an overall view of the T^e full time of 2i hours was taken session for the benefit of the whole in the discussion and the only thmg House. That is the difficulty. Time that remains to be done is the reply has to be found. Either the House by the hon. Minister concerned. Hon. must sit longer hours.... Members, I understand, want some Shri Nambiar: We are prepared. further time. Two and a half hours was the maximum, as I said. But they Mr. Speaker: But all are not pr*> want some further time. I have no pared. That is one thing. (Interrup objection to accommodate theip, if tion). U a substantial majority is they find the time. If they want time prepared to agree, I am prepared to go for everything, then it is not possible by it. —I shall only call upon the Minister to reply. But if they want to ac Some Hon. Membtfs: No. commodate thems^ves, then it is pos Mr. Speaker: It is the Opposition sible to find some time. Even the time which wanted a discussion on this. that the Minister will require is an extra aMotment—half an hour or so. Some Hon. Members: Yes. So, as I said last time, the House has to take an overall picture of the whole Mr. le a k e r : So. it has to be fixed situation. I had suggested one remedy, according to the convenience of the but it seems it was not acceptable to Minister. 775 P.S.D. 1481 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1482 Sh ri Tulsidas (Mehsana West): May Dr. Lanka Snndaram: Grouping of I make a submission. Sir? Will it not Demands together into various blocks be possible to have only half an houi —into 11 sections. extra plus half an hour for the reply by the Minister on Friday which is the Mr. Speaker: What about the cut day for Private Members* Bills? motions? Dr. lAnka Sundaram: Cut motions Mr. Speaker. I think I cannot fix will be taken together with reference the day now. But I can accept this to the Demands. For example, De arrangement of meeting each other mands Nos. 5 and 6 may be taken to fifty-fifty. : gether; and the cut motions on those Shri Tulsidas: Thank you. Demands can be grouped together. Mr. Speaker: All the cut motions in Mr. Speaker; Fixation of the day respect of those Demands? will have to depend upon the conveni ence of the hon. Minister. My only Dr. Lanka Sundaram: Where they point is that if the reply is to be are related to each other. effective or to be understood, then Shri K. K. Basu (Diamond Harbour): there must not be a long gap between Those we have selected. discussion and reply. That is why I am particular that it should take place Shri Barrow (Nominated—Anglo- Indians): May I make a suggestion? within the course of this week. I shall consult the hon. Minister about his We decided that certain demands convenience and then fix up a day. should be grouped together. For ins tance, 3 and 4, 5 and 6. 9A and 12Aand 12B—I am speaking from memory— 15. 16, 17 and 18 . Now, the sugges DEMANDS* FOR GRANTS—RAII^ tion is this, if you will be kind enough WAYS to agree, that a certain time be allot ted, as for example, to Demands Nos. 3 Dr Lanka Sundai:»m (Visakha- and 4, and then a certain time for pataam): About the out motions. Sir Demands Nos. 5 and 6 and so on so may I make a submission? Up to tte that all the Demands may get a fair moment, Demand No. 1 is de share of the time. Only those cut mo bate along with the cut motions. There tions will be moved as are on the are nearly a dozen Demands, cut mo agreed list. tions with reference to which have to be disposed of. At the rate at which Mr. Speaker: I am quite agreeable the debate is fioing on, the cut to accept this suggestion. In fact, I tions which come later will be would have suggested it myself. Ins A suggestion was made to you. I be tead of carrying on with one demand lieve yesterday about the grouping of without fixing the time, it is better if cut motions so that even the ones at time is allotted to each demand the bottom might come in and be separately. That was the practice in taken .together. the predecessor bodies of this House. A specific time was fixed for a parti Mr. Speaker, I could not follow the cular demand and, of course, if it was last suggestion. not finished, then guillotine was ap plied. That was the practice. So if Dr. Lanka Sundaram: About group the hon. Member’s suggestion is ac ing of Demands so that cut motions ceptable to the Opposition, then It could be taken up together. I beUeve will be for them to fix up the time» a statement was sent to you yesterday; not for me. Let them fix up the time I have got a copy in front of me. up to which Demand No. 1 will go and Mr. Speaker. What does he want? we may stop at that time. ♦Moved with the previous sanction of the President. 1483 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1484 Sh ri Nambiar (Mayuram): We which will come in course of pay have already made a suggestion day ment during the year ending the before yesterday that Danands Nos. 31st day of March, 1955 , in res 3, 4, 5 and 6—as they relate to the pect of ‘Ordinary Working ex administration by Railway Board, and penses—Administration".** railway staff matters—could be group ed together and U days might be al The selected cut motions are 96 , 98 , lotted. We have already made a sub 225, 227, 239 , 37, 39 , 44, 100, 107, mission in th a t Une. I t a t can be 108, 246, 255, 264 and 267. They decided now. may be moved. Surfve]/ Policy Dr. 1/anka Sundaram: I sent up to you, Sir, a list of groups. If you can Shri Sivamurthi Swami (Kushtagi): kindly go through it and see if it is fea I beg to move: sible, then it would be better. “That the demand imder the Mr. Speaker: I think I shall have to head ‘Miscellaneous Expenditure* see. He wants Demands Nos. 3 and 4 be reduced by Rs. 100.’* to be taken up along with No. 1? Survey of Halyal-Karwar Railway line Dr. Lanfca Sundaram: Yes. Shri Sivamurthi Swami: I beg to move: Mr. Speaker: Demand No. 1 is al ready under consideration. I shaU “That the demand under the place Demands Nos. 3 and 4 also. I head ‘Miscellaneous Expenditure* believe the hon. Railway Minister has be reduced by Rs. 100,** no objection. Grievances of daily wages labour The Deputy Minister of Railways Shri S. S. More (Sholapur): 1 beg and Transport (Shri Alasesan): In to move: fact, many of the subjects under the “That the demand under the cut motions have been covered in the head ‘Miscellaneous Expenditure’ hon. Members’ speeches under this be reduced by Rs. 100.” Demand. Granting of licenses to caterers Mr. Speaker: Demand No. 1 is al ready before the House. So, I place Shri T. K. Chaudhuri (Berhampore): I beg to move: Demands Nos. 3 and 4. D e m a n d N o . 3 —M iscellaneous E x - “That the demand under the PE N O im U L head ‘MisceUaneou:s Expenditure* be reduced by Rs. 100.” Mr. Speaker: Motion is: Work of the Special Police Establish ment “That a sum not exceeding Rs. 1.32.26.000 be granted to the Shri P. Subba Rao (Nowrangpur): I President to defray the charges beg to move: which will come in course of pay ment during the year ending the “That the demand under the 31st day of March, 1955 , in res head ‘Miscellaneous Expenditure* pect of 'Miscellaneous Expendi be reduced by Rs. 100.” ture.* ” Recommendations of the Pay Com D emand N o. 4 —O rdinary W ork- mission etc. for ministerial staff TNG E x penses—A dministration. Dr. Lanka Sundaram: I beg to move: Mr. Speaker Motion is; “That the demand under the “That a sum not exceeding Rs. head ‘Ordinary Working Ex 28 .21.34.000 be granted to the penses—^Administration* be reduc* President to defray the charges ed by Rs. 100”. 1485 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways i486 Shifting of Branch of Central Railway Working expenses of Eastern Railway and Western Railway Administration Shri V. Missir (Gaya North): I beg to move; Shri V. M. Trivedi (Chittor): I beg to move; “That the demand under the head ‘Ordinary Working Ex “That the demand under the penses—Administration’ be reduc head ‘Ordinary Working Ex ed by Rs. 100”. penses—Administration’ be reduc ed by Rs. 100”. Inadequate amenities like canteens, etc. Disabilities of Railway staff Shri Nambistf: I beg to move: Shri tt. S. Murthy (Eluru); I beg to “That the demand under the move: head ‘Ordinary Working Ex “That the demand under the penses—Administration’ be reduc head ‘Ordinary Working Ex ed by Rs. 100”. penses—Administration’ be reduc Promotions of Class II oJSficers to ed by Rs. 100”. Class I ’ Increase of posts in higher scales of Shri E. N. Singh (Ghazipur Distt.— ministerial staff East cum Ballia Distt—South West): Shri Nambiar: I beg to move: “That the demand under the “That the demand under the head ‘Ordinary Working Ex head ‘Ordinary Working Ex penses—Administration’ be reduc penses—Administration’ be reduc ed by Rs. 100”. ed by Rs. 100”. Reinstating of employees acquitted by Mr. Speaker: These cut motions are Courts placed before the House. Now, what is the time that we are fixing for Shii Nambiar; I beg to move: this? “That the demand under the Shri Barrow: My suggestion is that head ‘Ordinary Working Ex we may go up to five o’clock for all penses—Administration’ be reduc these three Demands. ed by Rs. 100”. Mr. Speake^: Y^. We have taken Curtailment of facilities to workers in all these three Demands together and Erode (S. I. R. Section) we will go up to five o’clock. The fur Sh ri Nambiar: I beg to move; ther Demands are Nos. 5 and 6. “That the demand under the Shri Nambiar: Mr. Speaker, I have head ‘Ordinary Working Ex already submitted in my speeches on penses—^Administration’ be reduc the general discussion that the griev ed by Rs. 100”. ances of the staif are mounting and there is growing discontent. I have to RecruitTnent to be bated in proportion add that the staff are not well treated. to the population of linguistic The concessions which were enjoyed States by them during the last 5 years are be ing withdrawn by the Railway Ad Shri T. B. Vittal Rao (Khammam): ministration one after the other. I I beg to move: r an quote certain instances. With re “That the demand under the gard to pass facilities, I can say that head ‘Ordinary Working Ex the quantum of passes already issued penses—^Administration’ be reduc are now reduced. For instance, per ed by Rs. 100”. sons who were drawing Rs. 76 on or 1487 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 14SS be fore 3rd May, 1948 are considered and without sense. Wh«iever there is to have qualified for inter-class passes a claim for maternity leave, it used to whereas those who are getting that be granted, but why should this be pay after that day are disqualified for restricted to once in three years? It inter-class passes. With regard to the is absurd, there is no meaning in it. Privilege Ticket Orders, there is I do not know if it is part of familj curtaitaient. Another factor is the {banning. If it is so, let the Railway retired railway employees were get Board introduce it at home first be ting passes and that is now being re fore introducing it in the Railways. duced to the minimum. Those who Similarly, there is a curtailment of have put in 30 years’ service only are the holiday facilities. Commlmal holi given one set of passes in 5 years with days are now re fu ^ on the occasions regard to c l^ IV stafL So also with of Onam, Diwali, kamzan and Christ regard to class XII, the concessions mas. ^ilwaymen used to get fully- they were previously enjoying are be paid holidays on these occasions, but ing curtailed. With regard to the they have been denied these holidays workshop or loco shedmen who are now, and are called up for duty on entitled to take half a day oflf previous ly, that right has now been deprived such important festive occasions as and the Railway Board have said that these. even if these men take half a day’s I do not understand the difference leave, that will be treated as equal to between matriculation and non-matri one day’s leave. This is also a ci.rtail- culation qualiflcatfoii In tbe case of ment of their rights. the running staff. They do tlie same work, but why should there be a [M r . D e p u t y -S p e a k e r in the Chair] difference in the pay? A driver who has passed his matriculation gets Rs. With regard to gratuity, there is a 20 more than a driver who has not new innovation maile now. Even If got that qualification. All the same, a railway servant retires after putting both will be doing the same job. I in 30 years of service, his gratuity consider this as a discrimination. Last may be proiwrtionately reduced ac year when I raised this question, the cording to the whims and fancies of Railway Minister said that a know the administration by seeing his ledge of Hindi or other vernacular is to service record. This is a very wrong be encouraged. In spite of that assu thing and it is a new attack on the rance, the matriculation qualification railwaymen. is still insisted upon, for which there Is no Justification given. The railwaymen enjoyed medical facilities not only for themselves, but With regard to the Payment of for their wives and children, and even Wages Act, the Railway Board refuses their dependents got the faciliUes. to accept certain sections of the Act. Now, the right of medical treatment in Whenever a Railway servant is sus respect of the dependents is denied, pended, on reinstatement he is given and I do not know the reason for it. full pay for the period of suspension. In fact, that was the judgment of the With regard to maternity leave, the Bombay High Court—any curtailment Railway Board has issued an order of full pay during the period of sus that that leave is to be given to the pension is ultra vires and is against women staff only once in three years. the Payment of Wages Act. There is That means that the Railway Board a specific case in which this judgment wishes women emplogrees to produce has been given, and in spite ,of that, children only once in three years! I the Railway Board refuses to give fuU do not know whether this is a part of pay for the period of suspension. I family planning, but let the Railway have brought many such cases to the Board state it clearly. That order of notice of the R^w ay Board. Not only the Railway Board is ununderstandable that, but I can "also quote an instance 1489 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1490 IShri Nambiar] with regard to the curtailment of an would appeal to him to issue orders nual increments. For imposing punish that these loco sheds and other work ment, annual increments are cut and ing depots on the lines should be this is quite in violation of the Pay brought back under the purview of ment of Wages Act. The Railway the Factories Act. Board must also consider this point. With regard to the recruitment of A third violation is reduction to a lower the sons of railway servants, the hon. scale. I can quote the instance of an Minister said that it is against the instructor who was reduced to the , spirit of article 19 of the Constitution. stationmaster's category. He was get ting a basic pay of Rs. 115, and as a The Deputy Minister of BaUwsys and punishment it has been reduced to Transport (Shri Alagesan): May I Rs. 76. I may, in this connection, bring bring to your notice. Sir. that most of to his notice the case of one Mr. M. the points which the hon. Member is Thomas, an instructor in the Trans now making are mere repetitions, and portation School in Trichinopoly whose were made yesterday. pay was reduced from Rs. 115 to Rs. Shri Nambiar: They may be repeti 76 as a puniidunent. The reply given tions—but Jet him give one answer to his appeal is: both to Mr. Anthony and Mr. Nambiar. “In accordance with Rule A. 10, Shri Alagesan: I am prepared to re Chapter III of G.M.S.O.. it is left ply to every point: I have no objec to the authority imposing the tion. But it is a question of the time penalty to fix the pay of an em of the House. ployee on reduction from a higher Shri Nambiar: I shall adhere to the to a lower grade or post.” time-limit, so far as I am concerned. The rule which is quoted is an old What we say is this. Formerly rule which obtained in 1941 before the sons of railway employees had a cer Railways were taken over from the tain percentage of vacancies—say 10, company and before the new rules 20, or whatever it m ay be—^reserved came into force. Such reductions of for them. The Constitution does not salaries are also a violation of the say that you cannot make any reser express provisions of the Pajrment of vation for them.—reservation in the Wages Act. sense that when appointments are made certain applications of sons of Apart from this there are several railway employees may be considered instances of withdrawal of conces and a certain quota given to them. sions and major curtailment of the That does not in any way violate the rights of the railway staff. Previously provisions of the Constitution. It is a the loco-sheds were governed by the wrong ground to deny railway em Factories Act. If the staff work after ployees’ rights. My submission is that five o’clock in the evening when rou their case must be favourably consi tine working hours are over, they are dered. There is introduction of a new entitled to an over-tSme allowance, literacy qualification for class IV staff. and the staff in these sheds were get Class IV staff (manual labourers) were ting this allowance. Now. very clever recruited without any condition that ly the loco sheds have been removed they must be literates or not. Whe from the operation of the Factories Act; ther he is a gangman or pointsman, thereby the over-time allowances en now he must have a qualification, he joyed by the staff are taken away. must be literate in any language. Other This real grievance of the staff was wise he will not be recruited, that brought to the notice of the Railway is the latest «rder. There were cases on Minister during the course of the de the South Indian Railway where twelve bate on the Railway Budget last year persons have been Issued notice of ter also; but it Has not been redressed, I mination of service in Mangalore. That 1491 Demands for Grants^ 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 149 ^ m atter has been represented to the have 50 per cent; that is a very reason Ministry. This condition is wrong. We able suggestion and I think the Rail know in our country there are about way Minister can accept it; he may 90 per cent, illiterates; only 10 or 12 please do it. per cent, are literates. It would mean that railwaymen should come only Regarding the accidents in work from this 10 or 12 per cent, and the shops, in each case where there was rest 88 or 90 per cent, of the people an accident formerly, that was treat of this country will not get a chance ed as an accident and the railwaymen of recruitment to the class IV category used to get their salary. There is now in the Railways. This is a very wrong a committee formed—accident com idea. Therefore, that condition for mittee—and this committee consists of recruitment to class IV must be with persons—certain supervisors and cer drawn; that must be cancelled. tain other persons whom the Adminis tration or the manager likes and that Discrimination is also shown with committee says, whatever be the acci regard to the payment of travelling dent. that it is neglect on the part of allowance. Class IV staff are not given the worker. Therefore, he does not travelling allowance taking the get the wages for aU the days that he is dearness pay also into consideration. on sick leave even though he had When travelling allowance is to be met with accident while on duty. This considered, dearness pay is also to is a very serious check on his rights be taken into consideration; then and what I submit is that this should they are entitled to a travelling al be removed. lowance of Rs. 1-8-0 per day; today they are paid only thirteen annas. Iliey say that during the last five Repeated petitions have been sent by years, more wages have been paid to them but with no result. the workers, more concessions have I have to submit with regard to the been given to the workers. This is ministerial staff as well as the station wrong, I have narrated these facts to masters and such other categories, at convince the hon. Minister for Rail least 50 per cent, should be in the ways that whatever emolimients they higher grades—all the higher grades have been given during the last five put together;—^there may be at least years, are not enough. That is my sub 50 per cent, in that ?md in the lower mission. All these concessions have category, you may put 50 per cent. been withdrawn and the railwaymen That is all my submission. are treated very badly. It is high time Mr. Deputy Speaker: I will not allow that the Administration opens its eyes the hon. Member to go on taking the and sees the realities and sees that time of the House.... railwaymen are fairly dealt with. That is my submission and I hope the Rail Shri Nambiar: I have not taken ten minutes, Sir. way Minister will consider this sub mission. Mr. Deputy Speaker; He took part in the Genend Discussion. I am get Shrimatl JayaiM (Bombay—Subur ting repeated letters saying *I have had ban): Sir, I thank you for giving me no chance to speak; what is the use this opportunity to speak a few words of my coming to Parliament?* Shall cm the Railway Administration. The I read out letter after letter? The public wiU appreciate the proposed Member should not think that he has new travel concessions but it seems got a monopoly of all the grievances. that part of that concession is with Only one more minute will I allow him. drawn as it wiU only be available for Skrl Nambiar: With regard to sta chargeable distances of 150 miles or tion masters, and ticket examiners, over. The former distance allowed was with regard to that category, let the 50 miles. Besides this I would request lowest category have 50 per cent, Jet that concessions should also be givea all the other categories put together to travel on river by boats and steamers. 1493 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1494 [S irimati Jayashri] The Administration has faiitiated experience ^eat hardship. So I would a policy of elimination of first request the hon. Minister to do some class in trains and I would re thing in this matter. quest that the same policy should be adhered to. It seems anomalous that Another thing is about the Andheri this policy is followed in other trains yard. A few days back a representa but it is not allowed in Bombay subur tion was made to the hon. Minister on ban trains. There in the electric sec behalf of the Grass Merchants’ Asso tion for the daily card tickets, the ciation with a view to make the growth, charges are made according to the supply and distribution of grass easy first class and not according to the and steady. The Andheri yard re second class. So I request that the quires to be made permanent and cen daily fares should be t^arged accord tral with all necessary faciUties ac ing to the second class tickets. cording to the programme of shifting Bombay cattle in suburbs. TiU then Then I would like to say something the supply of wagons to the various about amenities to passengers. In the stations should be so fixed as to feed Railway budget a sum of Rs. 3 crores all cattle nearer to the respective sta is set apart for amenities to passen tion with a view to save transport. I gers. While appreciating the efforts would draw the attention of the hon. of the Railway Ministry in this con Minister to this also and request that nection I would draw the attention of wagon facilities may be given to help the hon. Minister to the fact that the in the transport of grass. cost of many major works or build ings, that is to say ogienditure of a The last thing I wish to mention is capital nature, is debited to this ac about the rate of dividends. Accord count with the result that a big slice ing to the Convention the Railways at is taken away from this fund. In the present pay dividends at the rate of B<»nbay suburban trains the number four per cent. However, in view of of passengers is very large, both on the Central Governments borrowing the Western and Central sections of at the rate of 3i oer cent, it is reason the railway. And it is their demand able to expect that a Committee of that out of the main provision for pas Parliament will consider it as a slid senger amenities a separate provision ing scale from 4 per cent, to 34 per for the amenities of passengers on cent. suburban railways may be made, and that thereafter a three year plan for I wish to draw the attention of the passenger amenities on suburban sec hon. Minister to these matters. tions in the order of priority may be made. And for purpose of mak Shri M. D. Joshi (Ratnagiri South): ing such a plan they want that a Sir, I thank you for giving me this non-official committee representing the opportunity to draw the attention of suburban area shqwld be fonned. the hon. the Railway Minister to the need of construction of railways in my part. Last year, at the time of There is another urgent matter to the general discussion of the railway which I would like to draw your atten budget, I had taken the opportunity tion. Near the Andheri railway sta of pointing out the absolute necessity tion a sub-way has recently been built of constructing a railway line through by the Bombay Municipality. During Konkan Area. There was no specific rains the nullah will be choked and assurance at that time, nor eyew "today all the rain water will flood the village have we got any specific assiurance to that is very near the Andheri station. that effect. However, I was very glad The population of the village is ten to note that in rep^ to the debate in thousand and the village people will tike Council of States, the Railway X495 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1496 M inister was pleased to make the fol Railway Minister. We are not insist lowing statement. I shall quote a few ing upon any particular kind of rail lines from his speech: way. What is necessary is that a rail way must be constructed because my “I am also considering the part of the country provides a popu examination of such alignments as lation of six to seven lakhs of people Cape Comorin to Bombay on the in Bombay, mainly labourers, and of west coast line which have so far the middle class, clerks, students, tea been considered as an 'impossible chers and people in all walks of life. proposition*. While it is not going For four months of the year we are to be an easy matter financially practically cut off from Bombay. No or technically, demanding as they doubt, there is an S. T. bus service, did engineering skill and talent of but that falls short of the demand of very high calibre, we need not be the people. For example, in the days unduly pessimistic about the avail of the Ganpati festival, lots of people ability of such talent. have to go to Ratnagiri District and there is no transport. Last year, th* “I do want, however, that a preli steamer company stopped the monsooA minary examination should be service—which was a weekly monsoon made and I shall advise the Rail service. Then, we had to make re way Board accordingly.” presentations to the Transport Minis ter and he was kind enough to ins truct the company to start their service. This statement has given us hopes That is one aspect of the problem. about the solution of our problem. This is a. very old and important re quest which has unfortimately not Another aspect is that my region is been taken note of. I, therefore, thank absolutely undeveloped. The only the hon. Railway Minister for this im way to develop the area is to start portant pronouncement. industries—small-scale as will as large-scale industries. Those indus tries are impossible of realisation, im- What I have to bring to his notice less there is a railway. We must not is that the Diwa-Dasgaon Railway has look at it from the point of view mere been taken up for survey. We leam ly of profits and losses. No Railway that a survey was made several years has been a profitable concern in the ago. But, the present survey will be beginning. Experience shows that made from a fresh point of view. What All Railways have incurred losses in is proposed or contemplated is to have the first instance, and as the people be a broad gauge railway. What I want come railway-minded in course of time, to stress is that we should not tie and take advantage of the railway ourselves down to the construction of communication, and after that part of a broad gauge railway. I shall state the country is developed, it works the reasons briefly. If goods have to profitably. Take the case of the Sou be taken from Bombay to Belgaum or thern Mahratta Railway, it was not vice versa, transhipment is necessary a profitable prc^sition in the begin at Poona because there is no metre ning. Now, there is development all gaiige from Poona to Bombay. Now, round. Factories have grown up; if the metre gauge railway is construct there has been industrialisation of ed from Bombay to Belgaimi via Kon- that region. Today the Southern kan along the west coast, it will solve Mahratta RaUway is very inadequate the problem of carriage of goods from to satisfy the needs of the pe<^le. Belgaum or the Southern Maharatta Therefore, in all humUity, I urge on country and the question of tranship the hon. Minister the necessity nf ment will not arise. That is one thing. constructing this Railway. This neces Secondly, a metre gauge railway will sity has been pressed even in the cost less. However, thii is merely a Council of States by several Members suggestion for the consideration of the and I request the hon. Minister to 1497 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1498 [Shri M. D. Josbi] undertake a survey of this line for the construction of a broad gauge or metre gauge railway, with a view to further % f ^ Jifr f.. extend the line up to Mangalore up ^ ^ ^ ^ I; to which a railway exists, so that our problem may be solved. There is an JTT^ ^ ^rr other reason: that is the strategic ^ ^ qr point of view. The western coast is not provided with any railway. In ^ ...... ^5^ case of necessity, if there is no railway ^ ^ TC % ^RFT- there, problems of the defence of this coast will arise and we will have to 'dH+'l face a lot of difficulties. From that TRT^fr ^ I I ^ ^ point of view also, a railway is ab ^ ^ «T5rT^F^r5r^ ^ solutely necessary for my part of the country. ^ ’TSR^F^rsr '+> ( w i n ) : A TO f f e f r % ?RTC, 5ft f% A f ^ ^ fo r n r ^ ^ f^ rn r ir^RT ^ I WfT^ % ^ ^ km i ^ qTifhr^ % Tti^f) 'j^R’ % ^ «ft ^ ^ ^ «ft f^RRfr ^ i ^ ^ A ^ « r m ? T 5 r ^ ^ ( o p p o sitio n )% ^TTf?ff ^ *ft I ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ «irr t ^ ^ ^ ^ I A ^ ^TM'dl ^ 1% ^ f I TWR A ^ ^rpT ^ ^ fr«r | ^ ^ ^ *IT ^ ^ % »n *FTP!T ■'*(^0 ^I, Vt W>X 5R ^ MWRdl ^ 55T5# iTT^ *T^ I ^ TOT # A TO ^ T t ^ f?TT i ^ TTFr ’T’T ^ ^ 1 ^ ^ % f%2T % ^ t I firfTO< w f f¥ ^ ^ TO % ^ ^ 1^*1 ^ ;t*TT ^ 3 ^ I^JTT ^ ^ TO f^RT ^ ^ ^ ^ W f ^3TT^ ^ f% w j n A , ^ ^ A ^TOT i I ^ ^ ^ ’TfT A ^?f5TT =?rr^ ^ ^ cmr ^ 2Tj|f q r t ^ ?jpF ^ % T O ^ ^ ^fTT^ 1^99 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1500 ^ ^ t r f w # ^ t, UX<^1 I ^ 'h: 3F^ ?fk ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^FTT^ t tv Tl^fkt ^ 2?^ t ^ aif^ W t I ’T^TRT ^ ^ ^mO tffO ^iif^^T ^ ^nY ^ ^ ^ f>ft I 5At 'PC ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ t ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ fWI^ I I 4 W ^ TflT ^ ^ ^ ^ t I ^^5TT ^5TT^ i ?TnT ^ T»fi iivnfhy w w : ^ ^ ^ ?frf ^ f ?t\t ^PT % I ^rrsift ^ ^ ^ t i ^ irrrar ^ i^Tfrr- ^ffiw 5W T : ^ ^PTT^nr f^Ri ^ «i(d ^ I ^ ^ T - %■ «Ft ^ ^ ^fter ^ q r t o ^srfe^r ^ ^ ^ f e r ? r ^ f ^ ^TRfT *rr 4n1< % ^3nd% ^ Ir ^ ^ f^T ^ ^AdT 5TT, ^ ^ f e ^ ^ ipn^nR ^ ^ JiTRTT «n ^ fV ^ ^ m ^ \ Pd^llTrT «r ti'Mdl ^ ^ vTrf^ *TT ^ ^ ’T ^ ^ •«t^dl ^ I ^ ^ ^ ^TT^ TK »Ti^ ^ I ^ ^ ^ 'tf ?FrraT irft ?!TT % ^ ^ ^nft I ^ ^ ^T|f 'fg'^dll % ^NiPt^ I ^ ^ t g < l^ d T^ ^ ^ ^ | , ^ ^Tlf^T’TT ?TRT s^TFT ferr I sft ^ t '*IT^H % ffOTT 5R» ^ ?tV^ ^ ^ RiH»wd t I 3Rr ?F^ TO fm «TT ^ ^ ^ ^nf^ *nwt«flr ^ f ^ H T T ^ ^ ^ ^ cf|r ^sTRt ^ ft I fr^rft 3RT^1f «R. ^ ^ # =5TT^ ^ » n f ^ 5nf^ ^ ^ ^ ^ p ^ ^^7^ t ^ ^ t^TTT I ^ ’Tar ?T^ % ^If *F^ f^r^r qr ^ ^ ^ t ^ ^ ^(^*1 vfhft ^ 'ihT ^ f?f ^ ^ ^ 11 ^ ^ «rrd‘ ^ % *fi^+i ftwT «iT ft* iETC^FRt ^ t ^ 3 ^ t 5 ^ ^ ^ f I ^?5!# (punctuality) %^ 2n ^ # v t VTif ift I «w ?rni^ i \ t ^r « rt ^TT^ f IV ^ ?T«r ^ ^ f 1 ^ ^ t % ^ ^ t I ^ tt^-4\^\hk - ^ ^ ^ w ^ x ^^19)I, %■ «miH*I< ?R» ^ 5^rr, ^ 2TI ^5F?ft% w «TT iN^dPTT 3frr i^fOT» ^ ftrei?T p n r t iTT*^ % m«r % r f% ^55T^ cPC^R ^ =ft TOfi ^ ^ ^ ^TT^ I WT d'^ diW *H W ^ W ^ 1501 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1502 if t K m if tr ^ ^ flT ^'t ^ W f t ^Tft f ^ ^ f t ^ I, ^ ^ (employees) ^ ^00 3n- U o f% 5 rm ?T^ % ^ if^ t WT^ ^ fwfiR: ^ ^ ^rrft^ ^ ?r?T T ^ ^ftr ^ ^ 5F^r ^f^FT ^ W9TRT ^ % % ^ ^'t I H'-^\ f^TT ^ ^TRt^ T ^ , «liVT> ^ ^5T% f , ^FT^ 'R ^ f^2TT ^jTR I «Rr, 11^ W T ^ ^ ^ ^TT?rr ’qr 1 ^ ^ ^ fe rr WPTr.^rr ^ Shri Muniswamy (Tindivrtnum): ^ 5|fer ^ At the outset I should like to state that we are not able to understand . vTPj ^ x ?fV I ^HiRr* "iinTl some of the secrets of the Railway ?TFr# ^c; f^gRFiR ^ H X o ^ Board, and the policy which they are following. When I say secret, I mean that they have got certain rtlOtft M^<< ^ f^«hT^d Tfk policies and methods, which are not easily understandable by people like % I ^ ^ f¥ ?rrT ^ us. ^ ^ I There is no proper organisation, through which the ordinary railway I ^ W rU ^F^fT I labourers and their associations could represent their grievances. The hon. Minister was pleased to say the other ^ t€ t ^ I ^fh: day that there is the Railwaymen’s Federation. But I must tell him that ^ ^ t ?TFT% ^ ^ the practical difficulty of all the unions in the Railways is that they are not able to push their case through «rk ^ | , the Railwaymen’s Federation. What f?r ^ i:^ vtfttw *n'f«Kl fw^ir^ ^ alternative source is there for these unions to represent their grievances? Another thing I would like to all of a sudden, the upper class telegraph inspectors who have put in passes have been stopped for these a service of more than ten or fifteen people. We do not understand why years and who look after the work this discrimination should have been which used to be done by the wirel^s made against these sanitary inspec inspectors are neglected and overlook tors. I would request the hon. Min ed. I hope their cases will receive the ister to see that proper considera deepest consideration of Government tion is shown to them, and to remove and a proper solution wiU be found. inconsistencies in this regard. I now come to the grievances of Even though repeated representa travelling ticket examiners. Repre tions have been made to the Railway sentations were made by them that Board and the hon. Ministers, the they should be classified as running case of the running staff has never staff. They are not sitting staff. been properly considered at all. In They have been representing that the case of 3 ’ Grade firemen, all of they should be classified as running a sudden, the literacy qualification staff along with drivers and firemen. was introduced, and people who have Their cases have also been overloofc- passed the S.S.L.C. examination ed. It is a small case, and the Rail have been taken directly as firemen. way Board can easUy understand it. But what about the case of those if only they have a mind to look into who entered service before this the matter. literacy question was introduced? Some of them have put in more than ten years of service. They were re Mr. Depdty-Speaker. What is the cruited by a staff selection board, meaning of “running'* staff—all those after proper examination, and the who go in a running train? minimum qualification expected of them was only IV Form. They were Shri Muniswamy: Drivers and fire never required to pass the S.S.L.C. men are classified as running staff examination when they entered ser and the travelling ticket examiners vice. But suddenly, this literacy qua wanted to be also classified similar lification has been -introduced, and ly; otherwise, they do not get the their chafeces of promotion have been benefit of it. As a matter of fact, reduced. The number of persons they do not even have a place to sit affected is very small, and I would whenever they travel. A traveUing therefore request the hon. Minister ticket examiner going from Egmore to look into their case favourably. to Trichinopoly has all the time to keep on standing. He cannot go and sit anywhere. He cannot go into the Another point is about telegraph Guard’s van. The Guard does not inspectors. They are people who allow him. because he may have look after the maintenance of the somebody along with him so he telegraph lines. They have been re^ refuses. cruited in the normal manner and they are people who have put in a service of more than ten or fifteen There are ever so many things, but years. The question of wireless ins I do not want to mention them all. pectors came in at the time of war. I do not understand the secrets of They are now classified along with the delay. According to the Railway telegraph inspectors. Whenever cer Board, delay means ten years. That tain appointments or fi|rades are in is the minimum. I am not exaggera troduced, the cases of the telegraph ting. I shall give you an example. inspectors are overlooked. The wire An estimate for constructing an over less inspectors who are called com bridge in Cuddalore N. T. was sanc munication inspectors at present came tioned ten years ago. Nobody came into the picture only at the time of there. I requested the hon. Deputy war. Now, what happens is that the Minister to visit that place. He was 1505 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1506 [Shri Muniswamy] pleased to visit it. The moment the case to the hon. Railway Minis the hon. Deputy Minister came there, ter, regarding a level-crossing on the the C. O. S., the C. T. S.. the D. T. S., northern side of Viluppuram Junc the A. T. S. and all kinds of people tion. I have a suggestion to make. I came running like ants attacking a do not know whether the hon. De sugar candy, and the work was com puty Minister has visited that place. pleted. I must thank the hon. De I request him to visit it. Instead of puty Minister on behalf of my consti having a level-crossing, I want to sug tuency. What happens is that we gest to the railway authorities to cannot be taking the hon. Railway construct a wall, because the level- Minister or the hon. Deputy Minister crossing gate is closed for nearly to each and every place where a work eighteen hours in the twenty-four has to be executed. This is another hours of a day. So, it is practically point which I want the Railway Min closed. Therefore, why should you istry as well as the Railway Board at all have a gate? Better have a to bear in mind. wall or rather two walls, so that no body can pass through. It need not Now, about accidents, we know be called a gate. When you call some very well what happens in an aero^ thing as a gate, it means a gate plane. People are nowadays afraid through which you- can go in and of travelling in aeroplanes, but I come out, but in this level-crossing, think that a reference to the volume nobody is able to go in or come out. of papers supplied to us will show That is why I suggested that we may that accidents to trains are increas as weU put up two walls. This is a ing gradually. Perhaps a time may serious case, and I would request the come when people will have to insure hon. Deputy Minister to come and themselves before boarding a railway see it. train. In 1951 the number of rail The Minister of Railways and way servants killed in railway acci Transport (Shri L. B. Shastri): But a dents was 185, but in 1952 it rose to railway train can break through the 226. Others from the public who wall. were killed in railway accidents amounted to 3,588 in 1952, but this Shri Muniswamy: I request that an figure rose to 4,153 in 1953. I do overbridge or an underbridge may not understand hpw we are getting on be constructed. I request some of with the railway administration and the officers to visit that place. how we can get on with the railway administration in this manner, by Now, I come to the Viluppuram goods which there is an increase in acci shed I do not know whether the hon. dents year by year. Deputy Minister has visited any goods shed, leave alone the goods shed at Shri Nambiar: Increase In accidents the Viluppuram Junction. This and reduction in wages. goods shed in particular is a very small one. It was constructed some Shri Muniswamy: The accidents years ago, and it cannot accommo involve not only railway servants date enough goods: Poor clerks but also passengers belonging to the working in the parcel office are public. This sort of thing should not punished for not being able to give go on, and accidents must be checked. proper discharge for the goods, but then, how could they accommodate Now, I want to refer to a matter a lot within such a small space? One concerning my constituency. I refer cannot accommodate hundred people to the VUuppuram Junction. It is a in fifty chairs, and this is what the very big junction not only in the poor clerks are asked to do. If you Southern Railway, but also throughout are not able to accommodate hund India. Some representations were red people in fifty chairs, you are made, and* I have also represented condemned. How could that be done 1507 Demands jor Grants— 8 MABCH 1954 Railways 1508 by anybody? That is the gituation matter should not be treated lightly, in Viluppuram goods shed. as I find some hon. Members laugh ing. I had been to see the railway colony Before I conclude, I want to refer at Viluppuram Junction. There are to another thing. We have already practically no electric lights. I have made representations about it. It is seen so many posts without lights. high time that the Members of Par This is a very important junction, liament should be vigHant and go and I request the hon. Minister and through the country. Therefore, I re the Railway Board to take into consi quest that passes should be issued to deration these points. M.Ps. as early as possible. Other Another thing I want to mention wise. some of the hon. Members will be very anxious to come and see is about the social activities that are being done in railway trains. It what happens in the Southern Rail way, and they will not be able to do is not a simple thing. It is so. most important. There is something like a hhajan going on in the railway Another thing I forgot to tell you, trains. It creates a lot of nuisance and that is that there is discrimina and trouble. There is a train run tion in the pay scales. Certain scales ning between Trichinopoly and Lal- are not operating on certain railways. gudi, and I would request the hon. I have already represented the case Minister to visit it. People are not of sanitary inspectors. T*here is a allowed to get into that train. In a scale starting on Rs. 60 operating in carriage where some fifty or hundr the Southern Railway, but it is not red people can be accommodated, a followed in some of the other rail few people are earring on a hhajan, ways. When these people asked for and they do not allow passengers to a hi^er scale, they were refused. In get in. They say, “we are doing bha- some railways, say, the Western Railr jan; please get into the adjacent car way and the Northern and North riage.” Eastern Railway, the starting pay is Rs. 90. Why should only the South Mr. Deputy-Speaker; Are these ern Railway staff be started on Rs. 60? people passengers? BIr. Depaty-Speakerf Because people Sbri Muniswamy: Yes, passengers. come. They conduct bhajan, and whenever Shri Muniswamy: People come be anybody wants to enter that carriage, cause you do not pay more. Such they afk them io wo io tb» next car discrimination should not be there. riage. These people are not merely This is not company service. This passengers, but they also have among is government service. There should them railway employees. Every day be some uniformity. I think I have they are doing hhajans. They want represented all the points I wanted passengers also to join them. There to represent. will perhaps be a time when the 4 P.M. driver and the fireman will also join in the hhajan and we do not know Sbri N. P. Damodaran (Tellicherry): what will happen to the train then. On a previous occasion nearly two These people will perform the hhajan years ago I had an opportunity to and the driver and the Guard may bring to the notice of the House the put the thalam. You can imagine railway requirements of the Malabar the fate of the train. This will go on coast from Bombay to Cape Comorin without an end to it. I request the I am glad that since then work on hon. Minister to take immediate the Emakulam-Quilon rail link has notice of this. We cannot go and been started and, as stated by the conduct hhajans in railway carriages. hon. Railway Minister, the Emaku- What would a foreigner think if he lam-Kottayam section of the line is sees this sort of thing going on? This going to be opened for traffic in 1955. 1509 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1510 [Shri N. P. Damodaran] I am also glad that the work of re this rail link was evident to the hon. placing the dismantled Shoranur- Deputy Minister for Railways when Nilambur line has been undertaken he visited Tellicherry on the 11th since and it is nearing completion. January to declare open the re-model This line by itself is not going to be a led railway station there. The very great achievement. At one greatest boon that the Railway Min time there was a proDosal—not long istry can now bestow upon cne people before the line was dismantled—^to of Malabar, Coorg and 'Mysore is extend the Shoranur-Nilambur line this railway line. This line will gal to Wynad to a place called Bavaly vanise the industrial and agricultural and to connect Tellicherry with My activities of that area. This was a sore through Coorg by a railway line, line which was surveyed 30 years i.e. the Tellicherry-Mysore railway ago, and I understand, was recom line and the Shoranurr-Nilambur ex mended. But the line was kept in tended railway line to meet at a place abeyance when the war broke out in called Bavaly. This will throw open 1914. At present, it looks that what all the hill and Malnad areas of stands in the way of this railway Malabar, Coorg and Mysore for deve line is the proposed Mangalorer-Has- lopment. These two railway lines are san rail link. Let me. for a moment absolutely necessary for the all-round compare the claims and chances of development of the Malnad area. the Tellicherry-Mysore rail link with those of the Hassan-Mangalore rail I have dwelt at length in this House link. Till it was mentioned by the on a previous occasion on the need hon. Railway Minister last year in and desirability of connecting Telli his budget speech, nobody took the cherry through Coorg with Mysore. suggestion to connect Hassan with Ever since that, public opinion in Mangalore by a railway line serious Malabar has been sufficiently well ly. Even now anybody who has expressed su^d the leading Malay^am seen that area will not take that sug newspapers published in Malabat and gestion very seriously. This proposed many English dailies published from line may look very well on a railway Madras have recommended this line map. It may connect Mangalore with for inclusion in the Five Year Plan. Madras through Bangalore, it looks All the Municipal Councils and the like a straight line ranning across Malabar District Bbard have passed the Peninsula from Mangalore to resolutions favouring the construction Madras through Bangalore. But of this line. The District Rural Wel what is the good? It h 6s to run fare Committee preside over by the through forests and mountains and Collector of that District has recom uninhabited areas for miles and miles mended this line. This line runs together. We are going to spend a through the area now brought under few crores of rupees for this luxury the National Extension Scheme. The of connecting Mangalore with Has two States of Coorg and Mysore are san. TMs line, I am sure, is going naturally very much interested in the to be very costly, unremunerative construction of this line. My friends and not very useful. A new line, I Mr. M. S. Gurupadaswamy» who re would Uke to tell the hon. Minister, presents Mysore, and Mr. N. Somana. should be chosen with a view to give who represents Coorg, are with me ih the maximum benefit to the people demanding the construction of this and not with a view to please some line. body very near and dear to us Some HmL M en k en : We are all Ab Ben. Member: Who is that with you, somebody? ^ ri Nambiar: All the Opposition. Stei N. P. Daaiodaraii: The Man- Shri N. P. DsiAoims: Tte mass galor 6*Hassan Itoe, will, in my opi enthusiasm in Malabar in favour of nion, be a very costly luxury for the 1 5 11 Demands for Grants-^ 8 MABCH 1954 Railways 1512 co untry. On the other hand, if wp foot of the Western Ghats so that abandon this completely thoughtless the hiU produce from Mysore, Coorg, «md insensible venture at the cost of Wynad and Nilgiris can have easy the nation and take the Tellicherry- access to the railway and to the Co Mysore line instead, we can find solu chin Harbour. The railway map of tions for many problems facing Mala India looks incomplete with a number bar and Coorg, for which we cannot of gaps existing between Bombay and find solutions otherwise. Malabar is Cape Comorin. It will be a great day a thickly populated area with a very in the history of Indian Railways large percentage of its population when one can travel from Bombay in unemployed and under-employed. To a train to Cape Comorin along the keep them like that is very dangerous west coast. That great day will de ioT the Government and lor the coun finitely dawn if Mangalore is connec try. Malabar has been a neglected ted with a convenient place near Goa area for a very long time and it is and if the Quilon-Trivandrum line is now discontented. The discontent extended by about 54 or 56 miles fur ment of the people of Travancore- ther to the south to the land's end of Cochin with the existing order of India. I hope we will not have to things has been very clearly exhibit- wait for many years to see that great ted through the ballot boxes. Mala day. bar is not different from Travancore- Cochin. I^ess you bestow some Another small railway line which serious attention on Malabar, study we require on the west coast is the its problems and find solutions, Mala KoUengode-Trichur railway line bar is going to be a troublesome spot which has also been considered by for you. Compared with Malabar, the Railway Board and the Railway the adjoining district of South Kanara Ministry sometime ago. is happy and contented. Its popula Before I conclude, Sir, I would like tion is thin and it has got many pro to mention one or two small things. jects, bi^and small, both from the I would like to thank the hon. Rail Centre and from the State. At pre way Minister and the Prime Minister sent, South Kanara happens to be a for having taken quick action on my chosen district both ol the Centre and suggestion to convert the rail bridge of the State. We have no quarrel near Mahe into a combined rail-road with that. bridge to enable the diversion of the west coast road to steer clear of the So with regard to the proposed French possession of Mahe. It is now Mangalore-Hassan rail link, I would my painful duty to bring to the notice like to tell the hon. RaUway Minis of the Railway Minister that in spite ter that instead of spending a huge of instructions to the contrary, unne sum of money on an unremunerative, cessary delay is being caused to this unimportant and most difficult pro work at every stage. I have strong ject like that, he should choose the reasons to believe that some delib&- TellicherryrCoorg-Mysore project rate attempts to delay the work are for inclusion in the second Five being engineered by certain interested Year Plan. This line, along with an quarters. The French authorities extension of the Shoranur-Nilambur are not above suspicion. I would re line to meet the former it a con quest the hon. Minister to see that venient place in Coorg. will throw open this work is completed as expeditious the hill ranges and Malnad areas of ly as possible. I understand that Malabar. Coorg and Mysore to the out some of the railway officers are not side world and for development and very serious about this matter and improvement. If the Shoranur-Nilam some sort of delay under some pre bur line cannot be undertaken for text or other is being caused in the extension at present, I would suggest conversion of this rail bridge into a that the line should be extended at combined road-rail bridge and the least 12 miles further up to a place diversion of the west coast road steer near Vazhikadavu just * at the ing clear of Mahe. 775 P.SD . 1513 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1514. [Shri N. P. Damodaran] which is far less compared with the One other point which I would like cost of the new buildings, Rs. 4 lakhs, to mention is about the desirability at Shoranur. So, under some pre of constructing a foot overbridge at text or other, this District Engineer’s^ the Tellicherry railway station. When office is going to be shifted from Can the hon. Deputy Minister visited Telli nanore to Shoranur. Canna cherry last month, the matter was nore is a central place and, brought to his notice and, I think, with the coming in of the Hassaa- he will sympathetically consider the Mangalore line or the TeUicherry- need to construct a foot-bridge there. Mysore line, the location of Cannanore The town is just on the western side becomes more central than Shoranur and the railway station is on the for Railway proposes. eastern side. So. the foot over bridge is absolutely necessary. One word about the timmgs of the trains in Malabar. Ahnost ^ the ^ rr^ , ^ ^ f Malayalam papers are publishing very often complaints that the timings of the trains in Malabar are inconve f I ^ ^ nient to the public of Malabar. The ^ ^ ^ iff # Railway Minister has been com plaining that wc do not get as much ^ i \ money from the railways as before. ^ ^ f ^ r But the thing is, in places where the trains are not rtmning for the conve sfr u p ^ nience of the passengers but for their inconvenience, all the loss is being ^ \ incurred. There is no direct train ^ ^ STT#' from Bangalore to Cochin; people m ^ f I ^ t have to wait at Shoranur junction for hours together—sometimes 4 to 5 hours—to catch the next train to Cochin or Travancore side. So, direct train services should be introduced I ?rrH between Mangalore and Cochin. ^ ^ I understand that the District En i I f ^ gineer’s office at Cannanore is likely to be shifted to Shoranur. This again is not in the interests of the railway because at Shoranur, I understand, about Rs. 4 lakhs will have to be spent for the construction of new buildings. The plea under which the D istrict Engineer’s office is being shifted from Cannanore to Shoranur pffr, q#3T##5 is that the owner of the building is not prepared to give the building to I ^ W T them, nor is he wilUng to undertake repairs. But, I have got a printed letter sent to the hon. Railway Min ister, in which the owner of the building has not only expressed this willingness to repair the building, t ?rrT ^ ^ rn r ^ r # w ? : but he has also expressed his willing 5RT%rr I it' f t o ness to sell the building to the Rail w ay at a nominal cost of Rs. 60,000, 1515 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1516 m T T ^« it sf^7^;t’^rtfr^ «ff, T ^ \ *t> ^’fl f ^ I '^^'Cl ^ri^'s ^^TTET ^ft ’W*! ^9TRr ^!>t eHCTT ^ ^ ^nr^RTT ^ i% t^ T + ^ - ^ ^ ^TTiPF^ ^ ^ rW ^ '?l^ 0 g^nT t Iff sFt f I f*r ^ $rrrR?fT ^ | i ^^TRf ^ t. * ^FTRT ^ T^T ^JnTf^*^ ^ I qrM^* ^ ^ »rnr %f^F>5T ^ ^ h >w ^ fiT^iTnT »W *Wl^ ^ *!^^d ^ I rW^ ^ in rft ^iT^PrT ^ HTTRsft ^ ^ ^ f»iW f¥ f^TTTT VTi^ f^T % irrt #* fctfs: qft ff «ft < ^ ST^t rTTf ^ ^ ?»% I ^ ^ ^ ^TFR ^ J n r t # ^niT f^TEIT f I ^ ^ ^ ^nwf ^jarR^iflfT^ ^ ^ fV ^^rnr ^r ^ ^ ii^ i^ ' f ¥ '#■ ^ I f ^ 4 ?TT# ??TT^ ^IT ff^r^iT ^ ^ ^ ff IV sT|^ 1517 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1518 ^ f t ^ | , ?mF^ ^iTq* ^ r «pf t ,?F5^ ^ f¥ f m q -# W T ^ ^ >?)• ^',* I I m rfT f^^fiTr ^ ?t5 ^ ^ ark %5frr f , ?tpt ^rr^ ^ t t m ^.'HT ^ ^ ^ ^ ^x€\ ^ ^ I ^ =^rf^#, i,-^ I ^-iT^r ^1 cf 2^f vi'FT ^ ^ fjR ^‘4 fi ?rrT»T f ^ t ^ i’f %*H^r^r ^ ^ ^ TOfi m ^iTT^ f^AT f I # ^ r w f r f f¥ ^ t^^Mpft ^ ^ ?rrr % ^?r# wTfT ^ ^ ^ ^ ^1r srkiT^^ir#’ fifi-rr I ^ qn*fq ^ ^ ^ ? y ^ ^ ^5fr#TiT I ^ r f ^ I %'WT^4?fR'PrjT^iT^- ^ ^ f f ^ ?iw ^T ^ srsre | % Shri Laksbm&yya (Anantapur); i am very happy to have the opportu ^ ?rnT % ^fjr^r^ % nity to speak, though not in the T ^ C I 5ffr«r ^ General Discussion oh the Railway Budget, at least on the Demands for ^r^cfi'-rr q r Grants. At the very outset, I wish ^^5nF?: «ftfT f^^iT ^ »rrfy^Tt ^ to congratulate the hon. the Railway Minister for having presented a very ^ I, fiT ^^FT realistic and a responsible budget for 1 , ^rffiTT ' fiT? fsr^f the Railways. R is all very easy to talk and criticise the Budget, but I ir-fiT I ^ rn>]f fifft^ w want the House to consider whether ^:f>r 3Tf 4' r?r T>-7rf jftjyj iTf^ our Railway Minister has done his best in the progress of the raiways ^ r ff5T 2Tf «TT T>^^> ?r^§ff, ^ and whether he has utilised the ^ qr?ft 5T?TO I fT available resources in the best man ner possibJe. A number of thingg «r»r^ q r ^ i w :(t ^ o t t have been done as set forth in the q r Railway Budget. Drinking water faci lities have been provided, platforms I T R f ^ have been extended, ceiling has beet^ i «ft done and even the covers to protect the passengers during the rainy sea ^ ®^l«T« ^ ll son have been constructed. Several things to improve the amenities for ^ «iW ^ f , fsr^w 5rnrsift the lower class passengers have been done and one cannot expect more from WR* ^HTTT I I 5EiTf^ #■ ^ ?T5 the Railway Minister in this Fhort ^^TT =5rr^ f ^ i(ft ^5T# period. I think what all is human ly possible has been done by him. % f , f ^ n ^ m f ^ ^ ^ He has no Aladdin’s lamp to trans 1519 DeTTiandf for Grants— 8 19 M Railways 1520 fo rm all overnight. One sentence in have extra feasts and luxurious dishes, the RaUway Budget reada as follows, if they so like. While most of the “It wili be my endeavour to provide villagers are badly in need of rail more and more amenities to the third transport facilities, whst is the good class passengers.” and this is still of these people in the towns and ringing in my ears. This indicates cities wanting double lines and other his spirit of himian service, and his luxuries? I come from the village, I attitude to the lower class passengers. was bom and bred up in the village and I know the difficulties and grie He is like Rama, in kindness and vances of the villagers in the unde generosity. Though short in stature^ veloped areas. The near^ railway large in heart, noble in mind, lofty station from some of the villages i» in thoughts, wise in deeds, and the sixty to seventy miles away and these Deputy Minister, like Lakshmana, is villagers have no occasion to see a helping and aiding him in all the railway engine, much less an oppor developmental schemes. This is no^ tunity to travel in a train. Still, exaggerati(Jn. The other day whea our friends want double lining in the Deputy Minister for Railways- their areas. I am opposed to thii. visited Guntakal, a number of vil* Is this democracy? Is -this the policy lagers thronged around him and in of welfare state. I ask. In a wel order to satisfy them, he narrated fare-state, everybody should be two stories from Ramayana, and given equal opportunities to improve. satisfied them. He said he would The democracy means, it is not. I consider their representations. Later am as good as you are, but it means On iney began to question me, “what, you are as good as I am. There is about our request for the construc already a bitter complaint and feel tion of new lines?” The Chairman of ing in the villages that the cities are Anantapur municipaUty askes. What enjoying all luxuries and facilities, about the construction of over while the villages have been neglect bridge at Anantapur. I said, “He will ed. forgotten and forsaken. Now at do his best, and he has got a soft least, our Railway Minister being kind corner for the poor in general and and generous, will have sympathy for the villagers particularly,” They for the poor iUiterate viUagers and worry me now, day in and day out. look mto their needs. I am very I come from Rayalaseema, a poor bappy to say that he has classified backward area, as you all know. the new lines to be constructed into There are no plans for post-war de thr^ categories for the purpose of velopment in Rayalaseema. The area giving priorities to new lines The is thinly populated and the people • first priority will be given to the area are poor and backward. A new line where heavy industries are at work. may not be remimerative, but it is The second priority is for those parts not a question of remuneration. It where there are mineral deposits is not purely a business concern. It that have been yet untapped and un should be taken also as a public utility exploited but are under proposal of concern. On the other day when my the Government to start opening them. esteemed friends spoke and stressed The third is for backward areas. I the needs of double lines and treble wonder whether my area will come lines and of the electrification of under category two or three. We existing railway lines, 1 was very had gold mines working at Ramagiri much surprised. It pained me not a in our district till 1920. but to add to little. My humble submission to you is our misfortune those mines were this. When the people in the remote closed—they were managed by a villages are starving for a morsel of French company and on account of food, my frtrinds want extra feasts some friction in the company of «nd double dishes. I do not grudge directors, I learn, they were ordered them having double lines. When all to be closed. Otherwise, we would our brethren are provided with third have come in the second category it or fourth rate food, let these people self. Unfortunately, the ^eolooical I521 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1522 [Shri Lakshmayya] survey is not made in my district through Kalyandurg, Noothimadugu and though there are mineral resources in Kanganpalli. The distance is after several places. Without going fur all fifty miles. ther, because the time allowed is very limited, I wish to suggest two new I appeal that the Railway Minis lines—^it is an old song, not a new ter will construct either an under one and let me repeat it this year bridge or overbridge according to the also and see whether our representa suggestions of the Engineers at the tions will be attended to. The first level-crossing at Anantapur. I am very happy to see now that over line, I suggest, is from Gimtakal to Tumkur mo Vajrakarur, Uravakonda, crowding in third class passengers* Belaguppa, Kalyandurg, Kambadur, compartments has been reduced much as the Railway Minister has really Pavagada, Madaksira and Madhugiri. tried his best in this matter by intro Though the distance is large, the re turns will be many,, several and in ducing 190 new trains and extending numerable. Vajrakarur is noted for 126 trains. There is also ,a remarka- l)le change in the attitude of the diamonds and even now they are Railway ofl&cers particularly station available. The next is Uravakonda, which is a commercial centre. It is masters, conductors and ticket exa a centre of black cotton soil, pro miners. Of course, there is red-tapism still visible in high officials who are ducing the maximum quantity of best drawing fat salaries. But that is a cotton and groundnuts. Several different matter. That can be wiped groimdnut factories and cotton gin out before long. ning miUs are working there. Next comes the Kambli weaving centre; TRT Belaguppa. Then it should pass through Kalyandurg, my native Our hon. Railway Minister is a mild and noble man. He is courteous to every Taluk, and my constituency—where body. Naturally his officers will tamarind is available abundantly emulate his example. I have not the and being exported. Thereafter comes Kambadur, which is a tanning cen slightest doubt hereafter that the tre. Later comes Pavagada, which Railway officers wiU do their best to serve the needs of the common people, is one . of the taluk headquarters in with greater interest and enthusiasm, Mysore State. Then it passes through showing courtesy and sympathy to Madaksira, which was said to be the the poor, illiterate lower class pas pleasure garden of my District. Last ly comes Madhugiri, which is the sengers. Sir! I have done. taluk headquarters in Tumkur Dis • Shri Amjad AU (GoalpararGaro ttict. This line will be very helpful Hills): As I rise to speak on the Rail and useful in promoting economic way Budget every year, I am reminded development. It is true it may not of a set of railway employees who are be remunerative at present, but it i6 very unfortunate and have been vic equally true that unless transport timised for no fault of theirs. As a facilities are provided, the develop matter of fact some of us from this ment cannot be hastened in these side of the House have been crying backward areas. That is why this hoarse on this subject for the last line should be taken up under the two or three years. It is with re second category and priority should gard to the National Security Rules be given. I hope by the time I come framed in the year 1949. For the for the next session here, the survey last two years during the Railway will have been made as that would Budget discussion the attention of satisfy the people of my constituency. the Railway Minister has been drawn 'fhe next line that I sugest is to the provisions of these Security Dharmavaram-Rayadurg. These two are Rules and their evil effects on the silk weaving centres and they should railway employees, but it has had no be connected, by a new line passing effect. 3523 Demands for G ra n t^ 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1524 As many as 330 employees are still form inspite of the fact that it has under the mischief of these Rules been brought home to the Railway and continue to be under suspension. Minister times without number. It They are out of employment and still happens that labourers are made swinging as they are between hope and to work for the railways, but are not fear their families are starving. paid for. Here I may be .permitted to mention I would here like to refer to the that in other Government services an statement made by the Railway Min .employee under suspension gets a ister regarding the policy which his -subsistence allowance. But these Ministry wants to follow in the matter jaiiway employees are victimised and of further expansion of the railway condemned unheard. These Security system. He has given first priority Rules are worse than the Preventive to those places which have got first- Detention Act. In the latter all faci- rate commercial and industrial im aties for the detenus and their fami portance. Here again we are remind lies are given to live, but in the ed of a big controversy as to whether former they are made to starve for a motor car was built first or a road an indefinite period. While there is was built first. We have to remem some semblance of judicial proceed ber that an area undeveloi>ed today, ings for ascertaining complicity in a but full of potentialities may grow crime under the Preventive Deten up to be an important trade centre tion Act. under these Rules, the Rail tomorrow. But the potentialities way employees are made to suffer and natural resources recede into unheard, without even an opportu nothing. Natural resources of a nity being given to place their view place gives you an indication that point before the authorities. On the given proper facilities in communi last occasion the Railway Minister cation by rails it will develop. gave an assurance that he would To give an instance, Sir, the mineral look into these cases personally and areas of Garo HiUs with the abund see what he could do in the matter. The present position is that about ant resources of ' paper pulp, is a to 350 employees are still under pointer to the new lines. The Rail suspension. Let the hon. Minister way Minister, 4he hon. Lai Bahadur CO into their cases personally and I Shastri, visited Garo HiUs with all am sure he will find that the em the discomfort of a hill journey. He ployees suspended are victims of cli undertook the tour last October. It ques and objects of attacks from was made clear to him how a line from the mine areas of the interior of party factions. Garo Hills would benefit the course Then again, Sir, I may be permitted of industrial development of that to refer to article 23 CD of the Consti State of Assam. In building new tution of India in the Chapter on lines we should also not lose sight of Fundamental Rights. Article 23(1) the strategic importance of it. Our ijays: vulnerable Eastern border requires a net-work of railways and railway as ‘‘Traffic in human beings and a means of emergency transport is begar and others similar forms inevitable. After his Assam tour of forced labour are prohibited in October last I had occasion to Bnd any contravention of this meet him and he was good enough to provision shall be an offence mention to me that he had decided to punishable rn accordance with build the line from the mine areas of law.” Garo Hills to the river bank of Brah These are penal provisions for maputra. The survey will begin, he says, in Marc [Shri Amjad Ali] at Bdngaigaon from the point at he was very serious when he made Jogighopa. the suggestion. Sir, a good deal has been said ot Shri M. S. Gurupadaswamy (My loss ot passenger earnings in the sore): I am always serious. Assam Link line. Ticketless travel there, as also elsewhere, are only Shri Alagesan: He said the pre natural But would it be out of place sent State control, State manage to mention that I am told, and told ment, should give way to control by by a very reliable source, that no means of a corporation. I do not ticket-checking is done at all. It is know how he got attracted to this idle to expect patriotism in every idea of corporation. sphere. They would be ticket-minded only when you force them to do: so Shri K. K. Basn (Diamond Har that, “fools that come to scoff remain bour): He is in the air! to pray.” Shri Alagesan: Hon. Members will Shri Alagesan: J would like to remember only last December there • reply to some of the important points was a very vehement discussion on., raised by hon. Members during the the floor of the House ?s to the neces course of the debate on cut motions. sity of Parliamentary control over Some of them have already been rep public corporations. As far as our lied to in tire replies of the hon. Min country is concerned this corporation ister both in this House and in the idea is a new thing and it is a receni other House. Even in this dis experiment; we have yet to watch the^ cussion, many hon. Members spoke results and also learn the lessons. about new line constructions. The State control. State management of position has been very clearly ex the Railway system which dates back plained and the hon. Minister has to decades has proved a success. It stated the policy that he would like has met with success and met with, to pursue in this very important approbation. I do not know on what m atter. grounds he wants this to be changed I was hearing Shri N. P. Damoda- The Railway Ministry is under fire- ran—he advocated with great ability on the floor of this House every al the need for the ’ construction of a ternate day; the number of questioay line from TelUcherry to Mysore; his tabled on the Railway Ministry is otherwise good speech was marred by perhaps the largest; then we have his tnring to argue that there is no got the discussion on the Railway need for the construction of another Budget extended over a number of' line. I woultT like hon. Members not days, and Parliament has got the ful to make the thing easy for the Rail lest control over Railway manage way Ministry. If only we have lo ment and Railway finance. T do not consult other hon. Members about the know what more can be achieved by suggestions made by any one hon. this idea of corporation. Even ex Member and if they are going to can perience of countries like U.K. has cel it certainly we will not progress not been conclusive and it has no* So, I hope hon. Members will bear established the superiority of the me this point in mind. Each hon. Mem- thod of corporation. This is purely -r is anxious for a certain line or a academic. certain area to be developed and it Shri M. S. Gurupadaswamy: It is is perfectly natural, but it would not do good to criticise the need for other not acadamic. railway line constructions. Shri Alagesan: Since he raised this,. airi Gurupadaswamy, raised J* I wanted to reply to it and make it very new point—an important issuo clear that his idea is not a progres in principle. I do not know whether sive one. ^ 1527 Demands for Grants^ 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1528 Then, let me come tc tbe points fibii Alftcesan: In fact, my h [Stai Alagesan] th e Central Pay Commission a higher Shri Anthony again referred to tiie grade of firemen in the scale of question of gratuity. Other hon. Rs. 75—105 was created for matricu Members also referred to it. It is lates so as to attract persons with -paid after fifteen years of service adequate educational background to provided the service is without a fill the higher posts eventuaUy in the blemish, as he said. These gratuities department. But the ex-M.&S.M. are being paid as a matter of course and the ex-S.I. Railway firemen were to railway employees. Of course, as not required to possess the matricu the hon. Member knows, the service lation qualification. Their grade, on should be good, faithful and efficient the ex-M. & S. M. Railway, was Provided that condijtioh is satisfied, Rs 42i—55 and they worked their way it is given w ithout any undue diffi up to Rs. 76-3-91,100,125,175 and 225 as culty. He mentioned a case in * drivers. On the ex-South Indian Rail Kanpur where a driver had put in way non-matriculates were recruited as thirty-two years of service and, be second firemen in the scale of 35 41 cause he wanted to go on volimtary and later promoted as first firemen in r retirement, gratuity was refused. Sir, the scale of 45—50. They progressively we do not have the particulars of worked their way up as drivers on the case. He may be a person gov Rs. 100, 150, 200 and 250. These non erned by the old East Indian Railway matriculates have been allotted the Company gratuity rules where, ir C, P. C. scales of 60—80 as firemen respective of length of service, gra and are eligible for promotion as tuity may be denied if the person shunters on 75—105 and then as wants to go on voluntary retirement. drivers on 80—185, 160—300 and If the hon. Member furnishes further 260—350. It will be obvious that the facts about this case I can assure grades and prospects are considerab him that I shall look into it. ly better than what they had in the Another matter which he is conti past. The only difference between nuing to agitate and which o^er hon. matriculates and non-matriculates is Members also made mention of is in the initial grade of recruitment with reference to the channels ol which is Rs. 75—105 in the case of promotion for firemen etc. And in matriculates. This cannot be claim this connection the question of the ed by non-matriculates when it has literacy qualification has also been been specifically created for persons mentioned. As far as the hon. Mem- with higher educational qualifications. Tjer Mr. Anthony is concerned, he baa I am sure the House will agree with received a reply from the Railway me that there has been no discrimi Board, but he said it was not satis nation against any class of persons. factory. That the appUcation of edu Again, Shri Anthony mentioned cational qualifications like matricula about A grade drivers in the Allaha tion in respect of firemen denied to bad division. His contention was the non-matriculate staff the pros that certain higher grade posts were pects that were before them at the kept open exclusively to those drivers time they entered service, was his before implementation of the Central theme. This was the subject on Pay Commission recommendations which he addressed the previous Minr under which this exclusive reserva ister of Railways and also us on a tion has been done away with. And number of occasions. The late Shn it is with that that my hon. friend Gopalaswami Ayyangar had also re quarrels. This matter was also re quested him to discuss the subject ferred by him to the late Shri Gopa personally with the then Minister of laswami Ayyangar as early as 1950, State Shri Santhanam. But I do not and he also had a reply from him as know for what reason the hon. Mem to the conclusions reached. The hon. ber did not avail himself of that op Member and the House will appre portunity. The position is that on ciate that there is no justification for the basis of the recommendation of debarring certain sections of stafE 1531 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1532 from promotion to A grade drivers include this also. There is nothing to which appointments are made by which prevents them from doing so. positive act of selection based on m erit. Then my hon. friend referred to the running rooms, especially on the Southern Railway, and said ihe con Then he referred to medically un ditions of some of them were bad. I fitted persons and ^ d that when myself have visited some of these they are medically unfitted they are rooms and I know the conditions given jobs much lower than what there are not quite satisfactory. We they held before, and he referred in are asking this particular Railway this connection to a case where a to go into the matter and improve driver had lost his legs and he was m atters. put on a much lower job. There is ^another case where a driver had lost Then the hon. Member referred to his legs, he was offered an appoint suspension. He quoted as assault ment. but he thought he could not do case not involving moral turpitude justice to the job and therefore did and said that as soon as the police not avail himself of the offer made. charge-sheeted a particular person he was placed imder suspension and that caused hardship. In this matter The hon. Member talked about the the instructions of the Home Ministry seniority of C grade guards on the are quite clear. When a man is in Eastern Railway and said that some volved in any criminal proceedings fictitious list has been made and pro he should be placed under suspension* m otion is being denied to them. This But I can promise the hon. Member also I can take the House through. and the House that we shall look into There is no such fictitious list made. the case and re-examine the thing, It is only a question of carrying out also taking into accoimt the practice orders, which was not done previous that prevails on the civil side. In ly. He represented on behalf of fact my information is that the prac direct recruits, that they lost seniori tice that prevails on the civil side is ty. There is another hon. Member a little more stringent than what who has made a complaint on behalf obtains on the Railways. But still I of the promoted men. I submit that can tell the hon. Member that we where one or two channels of promo will have this matter examined. tion converge, the allotment of quotas is a fair method of regulating pro 5 P.M. motion: and that was what was done in this case. Many hon. Members spoke about Class II officers. As the House is aware, certain steps were announced, Again, he raised the question of both in the last Budget speech and station masters in the scale of Rs. 64 this time which go to benefit this class —170 having under them clerical of officers, and the House also ap staff in higher grades. In all the preciates what has been done for them. I should like to utter a word of advice, Railways there were only twelve such cases. These anomalies were re if not warning, to our Class II officers moved. and now there is nobody who who have made this not a question is in a higher grade serving under which fias to be considered on its station masters with lower grades of merits, but are to oonvert H into pay. The question of S. M’s. was also a sort of propaganda affair. I know referred to by some of the hon. Mem»- is not good for them, their service and bers, especially on the Southern Rail for the morale of the railway m^en. way. This is a matter which can be What all could be done, has been taken up with the Tribunal that has done and the hon. Minister’s assur been appointed now. It is for the ances are there, which would also be S’ederation to press their case and fairly rapidly implemented. 1533 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1534^ [Shri Alagesan] Mention was made about the ex- some of the old railways, as in the- Mysore State Railway officers. Shri case of sugar and iron and steel in Gurupadaswamy, I think, referred to dustry. Railways even now can and treatment meted out to these do quote concessional station-to- officers. In this matter, the principle station rates where it is established laid down by the Central Government to their satisfaction that the traffic: in regard to equation of posts based will not move at normal traffic on their duties and responsibilities were rates. The Minister has already followed. There have been some re stated in his reply to the Budget de presentations from officers and the de bate that the memorandum submit partmental committee has been review ted by the Federation of Indian ing this subject with a view to de Chambers of Commerce and Indxis- termining whether any relief is nece try, is now under examination by" ssary, and if so, to what extent. We the Railway Ministry. He ha» are awaiting the recommendations of pointed out that there is no case for that committee and I understand a general review of the rate struc that the committee will be able to ture. The hon. Members are aware report within a few weeks. that the Railway Rates Tribunal ha» been formed to deal with the ques tion of imreasonable rates. Sir, you Then, I come to my friend Shri will be surprised to hear that the Tulsidas Kilachand, He pleaded tribunal has received only fifteen that a committee should be appoint complaints during the last five years. ed to examine the rate structure. He In fact it is suffering for want of has tried to make out that the revi work. This fact also lends support sion of rate structure has impeded to the view that no general review movement. I would like to submit of the rates is called for. As regards that the progressive increase in the a revision in the interest of develop industrial production by thirty-four mental economy, the Minister has per cent, since 1946 is a clear indi already indicated the policy propos cation that the needs of trade and ed to be followed in this matter. industry in regard to movement, both of raw material and finished products, Another point raised was as to have been progressively met. With whether transport will be able to the introduction of the telescopic keep pace with tne developing in principles of rating adopted in 1948, dustries in the country. We know it makes for a decrease in the basic that production has already increas rates with increase in the distance. ed and certain industries have shown A large number of so-called station- increased production. In fact, trans to-station rates became unnecessary. port kept pace with that and also One of the objectives of the revision helped in the increase of this produc of the rate structure was to with tion. I have got here certain figures draw the special types of rates en relating to movement of sugar and forced by making the normal rates cement, for the years 1952-53 and realistic. There were a large number 1953-54. B. G. wagons allotted for of these station-to-station rates be sugar in 1952-53 w ere 39.972. This fore. There could be no justification increased to 47,901 in 1953-54. M.G. for the continuance of station-to-sta wagons increased from 52.665 to tion rates which were previously 68,833. Again, taking cement, th e quoted in competition to other means allotment of B.G. wagons increased fif transport; nor can there be justi from 97,365 to 1,11,413. The allot fication for the continuance of old ment of M.G. wagons for cement in special rates when the industries have creased from 62,703 to 66,390. This sufficiently developed and are able shows that transport has been keep to stand on their own legs, without ing pace with the development of receiving the assistance accorded by industry. ■*5 35 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1536 S h ii I. B. Vittal Kao (Khammam): put in more than six months conti Xict us have the figures for coaL nuous service, they are converted into temporary labour. Subsequently Shri Ala^esan: I can give the hon. they are confirmed if they are con Member those figures abo. There tinued in service. In order to meet has been a slight reduction in the the unemployment problem, huge .number of coal wagons. But, this road works are also being under has been occasioned not by the in taken where casual labour are en ability of railways to provide wagons, gaged. There is no guarantee that ibut because there was no demand work on a particular road will be in the industrial region for coal. It extended to the next year also. The is not a question of inability of rail railways have to undertake works of way to provide these wagons. In a varied nature, and therefore, they -fact, in the coal fields there were cannot be asked to dispense with more wagons than could be utilised casual labour. V during some months. My friend Shri Kakkan raised the Shri Nambiar and others complain- question of allotting railway lands to «ed about increased in house rents. Harijans. In fact, the actual allot 'This question has already been dealt ment of railway land is entrusted with by the hon. Minister. In fact, to the revenue authorities in the ‘the increase has been effected be various States. It is they who ac cause it became necessary after re- tually allot these lands. As you r grouping. The low rents that pre know, the policy of State Govern vailed on the ex-South Indian Rail ments is to allot lands to the land way were in keeping with the low less and* the poor, including Hari scales of pay that the employees jans. It is for them to make these were getting. But, after the re- allotments and I shall convey the .grouping, the ex-M. S. M. Railway opinions expr^ed on the floor of ^employees paid the standard rates, the House for the benefit of the State ;and on the same Railway it happen- Gk)vernments and I am sure they !ed th at the ex-South I n d ia n Railway will take them into acccunt when «mployees were paying lower rates of they allot railway lands. ffent. So, the rates of rent were tjrought up to the standard level. The question of Scheduled Castes’ To mitigate the hardship due to in- recruitment in the services wa.s •creased rents it has also been pro- raised. I am glad to inform the 3>osed to recover these rents in four House that the position is improv Aialf-yearly instalments. ing. Out of 1673 vacancies notified, 906 were filled by Scheduled Caste candidates. It is true there is a gap 1 think it was Shri Raghavaiah who still. But, the Railway Service Com raised the question of casual labour. mission have been asked to take I do not know whether he really serves special measures to. recruit the full the cause of casual labour, when he number of Scheduled Caste candi ‘says that all casual labour should dates. In fact, employment notices ?be confirmed and brought on the only meant for Scheduled Caste iregular pay roll of the railways. vacancies are issued and the res There are various, works which do ponse was quite good. I have no not extend for a period of more than doubt that it will not be long before six months and for these works all the seats reserved for Scheduled [Shri Alagesan] BeUary, Hospet and Mysore areas. cross-over as it is called, is put to^ Now, the position is that these are use. He also pleaded for the provi accepted freely to all ports except sion of a foot overbridge at Sabar- from the metre guage stations served mati. This work has been included, by this area to the Madras port in the next year’s programme at which is made in accordance with cost of Rs. 1*48 lakhs. the export allotment issued by the The question of T.A. was raised. Ministry of Commerce and Industry. T.A. has been raised from thirteen There has been considerable im annas to one rupee from 1st January provement in the movement of ore 1954. traflRc both at M adras as w ell as to other ports from these areas in 1953 Shri Nambiar: Why do you cut as com pared w ith 1952. The follow even there? Give them Rs. 1-4-0 as ing figures will indicate that. To per rules because they are getting all ports including M adras, in 1952, m ore than Rs. 50. the number of B.G. wagons was 1,195 and this increased to 5,423 in Shri Alagesan: It has to be in con 1953. The num ber of m etre gauge formity with what is obtaining on wagons increased from 19,143 to the civil side. In Delhi, Madras 28,835. To the M adras port only, and Simla it will be Rs. 1-4-0 and B.G. wagons increased from 967 to in Bombay and Calcutta it will be- 4,389 and M.G. wagons increased from Rs. 1-10-0. 3,747 to 9,243. This w ill show th at My hon. friend Shri Muniswamy more wagons have been iftade avail made a very humorous speech. He able for the movement of these ores. raised the question of sanitary ins- I>ectors. In fact, he has been sent: One hon. Member, Shri A. N. Vid- a detailed reply. It is another thing yalankar I think, said that the Pas- if he is not satisfied with the posi sengeir Associations should be direct tion as explained. The sanitary ly represented on the Zonal Consul inspector cannot be treated on a; tative Committees. It is true that par with other supervisory staff be now these Associations are repre cause the duties differ very greatly sented only on the Regional Com from those of other supervisory mittees. Though the Regional Com staff. In the case of wireless ins mittees can elect two representatives pectors versus telegraph inspectors, from among their members to the the higher grade posts that have Zonal Committees, it may happen been created are open to both the that among the two, there may not branches. In fact, each branch wants- be any representative of the Passen reservation of these posts for itself. ger Associations. I can assure the hon. Member that this question will What has been done is, these posts- be gone into when it is time for new iiave been thrown open for selection nominations to be made to these for the two branches together. Consultative Committees. I have nothing more to add. Mr. Depttty-Speaker: Any single I think it was Shri S. G. Parikh cut motion which hon. Members who said that in the Mehsana sta want me to put separately? tion, a simi of Rs. 70,000 has been Shri Nambiar: Not today. We are spent on the construction of a dia reserving it for some other occa mond-crossing which was being put sion. to no use. I may assure the hon. Member that he need not fear that Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I will put alV. any wasteful expenditure has been the cut motions together unless any incurred. I do not want to take the of them are withdrawn, in respect time of the House in explaining how of Demand No. 1. that diamond-crossing, or scissors The cut motions were negatived. 1^39 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1540^ Mr. Deputy-Speakcr; The question D e m a n d No. 5—O r d in a r y W o r k in g E x is: ^ p e n s e s —R e p a i r s M aintenances “That a sum not exceeding Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Motion is: Rs. 38.80,000 be granted to the “That a sum not exceeding Rs. President to defray the charges 68.02.98.000 be granted to the which will come in course of President to defray the charges . payment during the year ending which will come in course of pay the 31st day of March, 1955, in ment during the year ending the respect of *Railway Board\” 31st day of March, 1955, in res The motion was adopted. pect of ‘Ordinary Working Ex penses—Repairs and Mainte Mr. Deputy-Spcaker: I will now nance’.” put all the cut motions together in D e m a n d No. 6—O r d in a r y W o r k in g Exz respect of Demand No. 3. pENSES— O p e r a t in g S t a f f The cut motions were negatived, Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Motion is: Mr. Depaty-Speaker. The question is: “That a sum not exceeding Rs. “That a sum not exceeding 44.02.01.000 be granted to the Rs. 1,32,26,000 be granted to the President to defray the charges President to defray the charges which will come in course of pay which will come in course of ment during the year aiding the payment during the year ending 31st day of March, 1955, in res the 31st day of March, 1955, in pect of ‘Ordinary Working Ex respect of ^Miscellaneous Ex penses—Operating Staff.” penditure’.” Now the agreed cut motions to these- Demands may be moved. The motion was adopted. Remodelling of Calicut Railway Sta-^ Mr. Depnty-Speaker; Now, De tion m and No. 4. There are no cut motions. Shri Damodara Men«n (Kozhi-Kode): I beg to move: Shri Nambiar: There are cut motions; the disciissions are over. “That the demand under the head ‘Ordinary Working Ex Mr. Depaty-Speaken I will now put penses—Repairs and Maintenance’ all the cut motions together in respect be reduced by Rs. 100.” of Demand No. 4. The cut motions were negatived. Administration and maintenance of the- Railways Mr. Deputy-Speakcr: The question is: Shri Muniswamy: I beg to move: “That a sum not exceeding Rs. “That the demand under the 28,21,34,000 be granted to the head ‘Ordinary Working Ex Pi’esident to defray the charges penses—^Repairs and Maintenance’ which will come in course of pay be reduced by Rs. 100.” ment during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1955, in res Island Allowances to Workers pect of ‘Ordinary Working Ex penses—Administration*/’ Shri Nambiar: I beg to move: “That the demand under the The motion ivas adopted. head ‘Ordinary Working Ex Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The House will penses—^Repairs and Maintenance’' now take up Demands Nos. 5 and 6. be reduced by Rs. 100.” .1541 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1542 'Workshopman to go late in Tnomings penses—Operating Staff’ be reduc and to leave early in evenings ed by Rs. 100.” “That the demand under the Pay scale allowances of staff head ‘Ordinary Working Ex Shri Miiniswamy: 1 beg to move: penses—^Repairs and Maintenance* be reduced by Rs. 100.” “That the demand under the head ‘Ordinary Working Ex Reduction for gang-length to three penses—Operating Staff’ be reduc miles ed by Rs. 100.” "That the demand under the Fixing of pay scales for Loco head ‘Ordinary Working Ex running staff penses—^Repairs and M aintenance’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” Shri Nambiar: I beg to move: “That the demand under the Vision test of workshop staff and head ‘Ordinary Working Ex shedmen penses—Operating Staff’ be reduc “That the demand under the ed by Rs. 100.” head ‘Ordinary Working Ex penses—Repain and Maintenance* Free house rent benefit to pointsmen be reduced by Rs. 100.” “That the demand under the head 'Ordinary Working Ex Disabilities of Railway staff penses—Operating Staff’ be reduc Shri Frank Anthony (Nominated— ed by Rs. 100.” ..Anglo-Indians): I beg to move: Travelling allowance to Class IV staff “That the demand under the “That the demand under the head ‘Ordinary Working Ex head ‘Ordinary Working Ex penses—Operating Staff* be reduc penses—Operating Staff’ be reduc ed by Rs. 100.** ed by Rs. 100.” Long continued labour for operating Mr. Deputy-Speaker: It has been staff agreed by all the leaders of the various Shri H. N. Mnkerjee (Calcutta North groups that we can devote H hours East): I beg to move: for Demand Nos. 5 and 6, We are starting at 5-20. “That the demand under the head ‘Ordinary Working Ex Shri Alagesaii: I can reply at 6-50. penses—Operating Staff be reduc Then it can be put to the vote of the ed by Rs. 100/* House. Conditions of service of running staff Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I thought the etc. reply also is included in the li hours. Shri T. K. Chaudhuri: I beg to move: Shri Barrow: That should be the case. “That the demand under the head ‘Ordinary Working Ex Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I will call fcim penses—Operating Staff’ be reduc ten minutes in advance. ed by Rs. 100.” Shri U. M. Trivedi: Many speakers -Joint Advisory Committee’s recom before me have congratulated the hon. mendations on former Mysore Railway Minister. I do not knowhow State Railway one can make up one’s mind to congra T. B. Yittal Bao: I beg to move: tulate the hon. Minister. The Railway Minister and his Deputy are both very “ That the demand under the amiable persons, no doubt, but ami liead 'Ordinary Working Ex ability apart, whether they deserve any Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways i !543 1544 co ngratulations for having done some- agents who carry on the business of tiling substantial for the good of the Practically sewral of Railways is the problem before us. them have been ruined on account of this demurrage. It so happens that ' We used to travel formerly long orders are placed from dealing areas distances at comparatively cheap rates. and taking advantage of this high rate Even up to 1938 to go to Calcutta from of demurrage, the merchants at the Delhi used to cost Rs. 9, Rs. 10 or Rs. destination refuse to take delivery, and 11 and a long distance like 1,262 miles with this coercive force acting upon could be covered at Rs. 14-0-6. And the poor merchant, he is either made where have we reached? We have to sell away his goods at lower ra^^^es developed a fashion of only singing the or he is made to suffer by the Railway songs of the poor labourer, and no by paying heavy demurrage. There body speaks for the public whom we must be some way by which it must be represent. All of us suffer mutely and seen that these merchants are not ruin we are unable to say anything or open ed. The smsdl traders in order to earn our mouth. Travelling ticket exami their livelihood run from village to ners are good persons. I do not stand village, collect and despatch goods and in the way of their getting proper re at the end they are completely ruin muneration. Nobody grumbles a ed on account of this demurrage Government servant or a labourer get charges. ting his due share or proper wages, but the Railway must do something to provide better facilities to the public Then, I will draw the attention of also, something to reduce the exorbi the running of the goods trains. The tant rates which are now collected. goods trains which run on the broad We have reached a stage which we can gauge are always connected with say is the breaking point. People now vacuum pipes. That is to say. vacuum cannot travel. The various graphs that breaks are provided on the broad you have now drawn will indicate to guage. But you will be surprised tu you that we have now reached a super find that on account of the insistence saturated stage from which it is very of the late O.T. Railway, vacuum pipes difficult to proceed ahead. are not provided on the O.T. Railway. And that is why on all goods trains on [P a n d it T h a k u r D a s s B h a r g a v a the metre gauge section the trains run in the Chair'\ without vacuum breaks. This creates From the way we have arranged this operational difficulties On account of debate, it iinfotunately becomes rather their being non-vacuum, even when difficult to concentrate oneself on the they stand still at stations and other various particular Demands and cer trains have to pass them, they cannoi tain repetitions are likely to occur in pass without being brought to a dead the way we are proceeding. stop. If broad guage wagons can be manufactured with these vacuum pipes I will now take up a few points that why should not all the metre gauge I want to bring to the notice of the wagons also be manufactured in the House. same way? If all the wagons on the Western Railway have this mechanism The first increase about which I why should it not be made compulsory have already spoken is the increase in and applicable to all the wagons that the fares. The second which is very are manufactured? salient is the increase in the rates of demurrage. A question which I put in the last session brought out an ans Unfortunately, mine will not be a wer that the increase in demurrage is coherent speech because it is some nearly 300 per cent. I know that In sort of complaining business, and yt>u the particular locality from which I will excuse me for the incoherent come there are certain commission speech that is being made by me. ( c Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1546 [Shri U. M. Trivedi.] Now comes this watch and Ward by the Jaipur City Magistrate, only last and G.R.P. La^ year also I drew atten week. tion to this subject. Either keep the Watch and Ward or keep the G.RP. I will now come to another wondei^ The two cannot go on together. Some ful thing. You are providing ameni sort of arrangement must be arrived ties for the passengers before you at because both of them try to squeeze provide more trains. Nobody is found money not only from the public but of waiting at a station. As soon as also from the Railway employees. You the train arrives, every one wants to go all along the Railway lines and go away. Nobody wants to remain you will find that every Railway em there in the waiting room. Instead ot ployee is in terror of every Railway providing these waiting rooms. aud Police officer. I remember that one other amenities, you should provide head train examiner was narrating to some more trains where the people me that he sits in his office afraid of w ant them. the various things that can be put up on his head, even falsely. When any I can give the illustration of Kotah Railway Police Officer comes to him station. It is a big junction and it was he says: built in 1857 or so. At that time, there was a small shed which was built for third class pas I sengers. That has not been extenaed at all. At that time the waiting room That mirror which is to be used in the for upper class passengers was also Railway compartment is carried away built. by the Police Officer. Anything he likes he takes away, including rubber Shri Veeraswamy (Mayuram—Re goods. And the poor train examiner served—Sch. Castes): On a point of dare not open his mouth lest he should order, there is no quorum in the House. be implicated in something. I remem ber the case of a guard at Jaipur Sta Sihri U. M. Trivedi: There is quorum. tion. There was a lot of smuggling going on with the knowledge of the Shri S. S. More; Let us take a count. Railway Superintendent, and others, and the Railway Police was making Mr. Chairma»: Now there is quorum. tons of money. They were making at th e rate of Rs. 10,000 per month Be The wonderful part of it is that the cause this Railway guard objected to upper class waiting room for gentle this sort of smuggling, he was arrest- men is on the side on which the city •ed at the Railway Station on the flim lies, while that for the ladies is on siest and falsest of charges. He was the opposite side, where no people are liandcuffed and carried along the sta living. You can go from the one side tion to be shown as an example to all to the other only by an overbridge. the Railway employees that such a I do not know what object is there in thing should not recur again. Nobody having provided the ladies waiting dared to raise his head against omni room on the opposite side... potent Railway Police officials. There Shri R. K. Chandhuri: On a point of fore, some arrangement must be arriv information. Is it the hon. Member’s ed at to do away with the uselessness contention that the ladies waiting of this Railway Police. room should be on the same side as Shri R. K. Chandhuri (Gauhati): the gentlemen’s waiting room? They When did this Incident take place? are known as opposite sexes always. So what is the point in objecting? Shri U. M. Trivedi: Very recently. And the man has been now acquitted Shri U. M. Triyedi: One Uiing more. j 5 47 Demands jor Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways I 548 Mr. Chairman; I have already rung in a position to catch the Frontier the time-limit bell twice, and I have Mail to Bombay. In fifty out of ^iven nearly ten minutes to the hon. hundred cases, it generally happens that Member. May I request the hon. Mem- only such a small margin is left that her to finish his speech? often the passengers miss that train. Why should not a bigger margin be Shri U. M. TriTedi: I have lost five provided, wherever you have to pro minutes on this quorum business. vide for connections? A safe margin Mr, Chairman: No. That was only should always be provided, so that tor about two minutes. Usually, only the passengers are not put to great five minutes are given to an hon. inconvenience. Member. Even assuming two minutes have been lost due to want of quorum, Another funny thing that happens the hon. Member has got more than at Ratlam is this. The train coming seven minutes already. from Neemuch is not allowed to en ter the Ratlam station yard, even Shri U. M. TriYedi: I will not take though when the Frontier Mail has more than two minutes. I would re come before time, it is allowed to en -quest the hon. Minister to look into ter and this Neemuch train is allow the condition of the Godhra station. It ed to enter only after the Frontier is a big junction, but it is the worst Mail leaves Ratlam, with the result type of station that was ever built. that the passengers from Neemuch are If you go and have a look at it, you not able to catch the Frontier Mail "Will be surprised to know how such a at Ratlam. and the railway staff are dungeon has been in existence for all laughing at the discomfiture of such a long time. There is no single the passengers, I would suggest that facility available for the poor passen this sort of thing should be stopp«i gers. The latrines there are in the immediately. most dirty condition, and although people have been clamouring for better Now that we have adopted Hindi as amenities, nothing has been done so our national language, the practice of iar. A lot of money is made on sta writing the names of the stations on tions between Godhra and Anand. but the Malwa section in Urdu should be no station on this section has been stopped. Nobody in that region provided with a platform. The same reads Urdu, and why waste time, is the case on the narrow gauge sec energj'’ and money in writing the tion between Godhra and Lunavada. names in Urdn? If you have adopted "The ordinary illiterate people who the practice of writing the names in tiave no approach even to a news Hindi in the whole of the Punjab and paper, in this region, cannot brizitf Uttar Pradesh, what fascination is their grievances to the notice of Gov- there for kecu ng the names on this ‘emment. I hope the hon. Minister section in Ur \i? I would suggest to would do well to apply his mind to the hon. Minister that the practice of this matter. writing the names in Urdu be dispens ed with. .1 will suggest one other Another thing I would like to draw thing. the attention of the hon. Minister to is this. Last time also, I had oc Mr. Chairman: That ‘one thing* casion to refer to this matter, and should stop somewhere. I would re*^ that is that there should not be dis- quest the hon. Member to conclude 'crimination as between different now, as I have a very long list with trains. I have been seeing for the last me. «ix years that the train timings at Neemuch and Mhow are so arranged, Shri U. M. TriTedi: I will finish with that if passengers have to catch the just one more remark. If you look at Frontier Mail, they go with throbbing the map of Rajasthan, you will be sur tiearts as to whether they would be prised to find that there are several 1549 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1550 [Shri U. M. Trivedi] places which are miles away from the is very unfair. Their policy is simp nearest railway station. When the ly this, that if people who had opted Mewar State was in existence, it was for Pakistan, had gone to Pakistan, the desire to have a railway link bet and then have come back, they would ween Kotah and Chittor, but this line, not be accepted in service at all. you have dropped altogether out of Secondly in the case of people wha your programme, and you have pro had opted for Pakistan, but had not vided a sum of Rs. 8,000, for a re gone, their applications would be sent survey of the whole thing. This kind to the police for verification, and only of a joke must stop here, and you must after that, they would be accepted. do something to provide railway lines This policy is not only wrong on connecting Kotah with Chittor, and principle, but it is a positive injustice, Neemuch with Barisadri. and it is not only an injustice, but it is positively mischievous. It is Shu Sadhan Gupta (Calcutta wrong pn principle because the mere South-East): While I do agree with exercise of option to go. to Pakistan tile speaker that has preceded me, should not be taken as hostility to Shri U. M. Trivedi, that there is no this country. We all remember the thing to congratulate the hon. Rail situation in those days. There was way Minister in regard to this Budget, communal bickering, and the common and while I also agree with him that man, whether he was a Hindu in the fares should be reduced, and that Pakistan, or a Muslim in India was not enhanced fares have continued for sure of his position in either country, too long a time, yet I am very much was not sure of what would happen. Dained to find that in regard to the Even his very security was threaten reduction of fares, he has spoken in ed. Under these conditions, the at a manner which is likely to lead to tachment to his hearth and home was misunderstanding between passen weighed against the sense of self gers and the railway staff. It is very preservation. If in such a context, unfortunate that he did not realise the sense of self-preservation had got that if we want to get any benefit as the better of it, we cannot help it, paissengers, we should never do it at and that is what happened at that the expense of the workers or by pos time. So, many Muslims who opted ing our case as against the workers’. for Pakistan and went to Pakistan when they found that they could re The railway workers’ case has been main here, and if they could get back represented, and it does need represen their old employment, they could tation, because the millions of our make a good job of it, did come back. railwaymen all over the country are Some people changed their minds being exploited in a very bad manner, even after opting for Pakistan, after and therefore I hold no apology for a good deal of hesitation, and did not bringing up their case further in the go at all. I submit that it is not just ceurse of my speech. that they should be treated as out- castes. They should not be treated on I would like to point out two very any different footing from other citir- faring instances of injustice done to zens. It is important to realise that the railway staff. The first is regard they are citizens of our*^ country and ing railwaymen who had opted for deserve a fair deal like other citizens. Pakistan, and the second is regarding It is an injustice because it entails the Safeguarding of National Security hardship. It is''a mischief because Hules it puts one particular community in great doubt about whether it is going Regarding employees who had opted to be allowed to live in our country for Pakistan, the Railway Administra as its own people. There have been tion has been following a policy which many cases of discrimination, and this Railways 1552 ^551 Demands for Grants^ 8 MARCH 1954 ^ ind of discrimination only adds to thanks. It really embarrasses the sense of insecurity in a minority when everybody thanks me. I need community. no thanks. The second thing I want to focus Shri G. H. Deshpande; I have never attention upon is regarding the Safe- participated in railway discussions in warding of National Security Rules. this House, and at this late stage it The Railway Minister has made no I am doing so, I am doing so only be reply'to that point. These Rules are cause I have received a number of a positive blot on the Railway Ad letters from my constituency and my ministration. Militant Trade union voters want me to press some of the ists who champion the cause of the important demands regarding the railway workers are victimised by railways in that region. resort to the Safeguarding of National In my constituency, there is a tor *' ^Security Rules. The police become —Malegon. It is a very important ceil- the arbiters. It is only on the re tre in Bombay State. There are over ports of the police—^that police whom 7,000 handlooms and 4,000 powerlooms, we have inherited from a past re and every day some 20,000 saris are actionary administration—it is only woven there and brou^t to the on their report that victimisation market. Raw material in the form takes place. That is very unfair. of yam is required to be imported There is no dOubt a hearing given, but there, and every day the manufactur that is a travesty of a hearing, be ed stuff is being sent to various mar cause the arbiter is really the Ad kets. There is no railway nearby. visory Committee which is dominated There is a demiand that Malegaon by the representatives of the police. should be joined to the jimction Man- We cannot leave the fate of our em mad by railway line on the Central ’ ployees to the police who are not Railway and on the other side to "very conspicuous for their sense ol Narhana on the Tapti Valley Rail justice and fairness. Therefore, I way, This is a very very old dera&nd. would urge upon the Railway Minis Besides this industry, there is a ter to do away with these vicioua sugar mill just near Malegaon and ^Safeguarding of National Security there is a possibility of having one or Rules and reinstate the victimised two more sugar mills very soon, be •employees. Three hundred and sixtT cause more and more area there is employees were victimised and only coming under irrigation. thirty have been reinstated. I have £ot telegrams and I am sure the Rall- Then, Sir, regarding the railway -way M inister has rec^ved copies of station at Nasik Road, its remodelling them. Here is a bundle. From it, he has been demanded since long. Nasik will see that there is a universal re quest for reinstatement of these victi Road is an important railway station; there is the India Security Press, mised employees, and I must with all the emphasis at my command urge there is the distillery; there is a big central jail. It is an important re the Railway Minister to reinstate these victimised employees. ligious centre where every year thou sands of pilgrims are attracted. Since Shri G. H. Deshpande (Nasik—Cen long there is a demand that l^e sta tral) : I thank you for this opportu- tion should be remodelled. There is mity you have given me. no level-crossing at Nasik Road. Out of 24 hours, the railway gates on thai Mr, Chaiisnaii: May I request hou. road are closed for 20 hours and only ’Members not to start with a thanto- for 4 hours people are able to cross. giving to me? After all, I am doicm It is on the national highway; it is nothing, to need thanks. 1 am yovt on the Nasik-Poona road. Since long spokesman, and if I call upon hon. this demand is being made and every Aleml^rs to speak, there is nothmc year it is put off for the next year. It wiiich I am doing which really merits is better to have « railway crossing 1553 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 15 54 [Shri G. H. Deshpande] there as early as possible. Even land Now I would lik® to m ention a has been acquired and price has been few facts for your consideration and paid and I do not know why the work for the consideration of this House. is withheld. So also with regard to The hon. Minister may think that I Manmad. That is also an important am repeating my facts. But I am not railway station. It requires remodel repeating my facts; rather I *am ex ling and a bridge for crossing the railr . pressing the feeling in this House, way line there is absolutely essential. that the hon. Members of this House —so many of them—are conscious of Then, Sir, from Nasik Road to Man- the facts that discriminatory treat mad all that area—most of it—is un ment is being meted out to these em der irrigation and that is one of the ployees. The hon. Minister of Rail biggest onion producing centres in ways is perhaps aware of this fact India. A large quantity of onion is that Class II officers and Class I offi produced there, as also sugarcane. cers On the railways perform the same These require more transport facili duties and with the same responsibi ties. Something ought to be done for lity, but in regard to their pay scale, remodelling the railway stations at in regard to their service conditions Nasik Road, Manmad and Nangaon. and in regard to their chances of pro Something must be done to take a new motion, some discrimination is being railway line joining Malegaon with shown between them. I do not under Manmad on the one side and with stand the reason. The hon. N arhana on th* oth«r. Minister himself time after time has. accepted and said that it is Slirimati Tarkeshwari SiBha (Patna a fact that these two classes East): Sir, I listened very attentively of officers are performing identical to^the hon. Minister’s speech when he and analogous duties. It was also was dealing with Damand No. 4, and mentioned by the Chief Commissioner I found that regarding the employees, of Railways. But I do not know the specially the Class II, he had rather reason for this attitude of the whole a very very cold tongue. I Railway Ministry. It was back in the shall not exactly say sharp year 1947 (in April) when it was tongue, but he was more sharp decided by the British Government to than cold. I wish that the hon. amalgamate the two services. What Deputy Minister will try to culti have we done after 1947—i want to vate the sweetness of his senior col ask the Railway Board and league. Even if he does not want to the Railway Minister. We have do certain thing, when presenting his become independent and we know facts before the House he puts his that this distinction between limitations and tries to convince the Class II and Class 1 was being main House that there are some limitations tained at that time because more or in not implementing those things. less all the Indians were in Class II and the Europeans were in Class I. I found that the hon. Deputy Minis I do not know why this should conti ter said that the Class II employees nue today when 7 years have elapsed were making their case a propaganda since we attained independence. For issue. Now, it is very unfair, Sir, to the information of the House. I want these employees who are suffering. It is to say here that, in almost all the a question of their prestige, it is a ques countries of the world, recruitment ta tion of their life, it is a question of the officers’ cadre on the Railways, their work and it is a question of their is generally done from the services and whole existence and I do not under not direct. There may be exceptiond. stand how this attitude can be adopted but it is not the rule. This fact was by the Minister himself when in brought to our notice by the members this budget session he has come to of the delegation that went to U.K., formulate a policr. U.S.A. and other countries. Thev had 1555 Demands for Grants — 8 MAKCH 1954 Railways 1556 be en sent by the Railway Ministry it Board has tried to mislead the hon. self- The delegation went to all those Minister in this respect. countries and they studied the employ Sir, this state of affairs, which I ment and service conditions on the have brought to your notice and to railways there and these facts were the notice of this august House, gives disclosed by that delegation. I cannot the impression that we are still main understand why we are following the taining the Lloyd Georgian steel policy of direct recruitment here. The frame, although the panels have Appleby Report also points out the changed. This has come to the-surface existence of such class distinctions so much that it is very painful. It is and says that they have a very ad more painful because it is being tole verse effect on the efficiency of the ad rated. ministration. I believe the Prime I should thank you. Sir, not only be Minister has also issued directives in cause you have given me this oppor this matter. tunity but for the special reason that The hon. Minister announced two Demand No. 5 does not take this as concessions to the Class II officers in his pect of the question and also because I am repeating my facts and figures. speech; The impression that was created by his speech was that per Before concluding my speech, Sir, I haps these disabilities were there from would ask the hon. Minister why the recommendations of the Kimzru Com time immemorial. But, I want to sub mittee for representation of 25 per cent, mit to you that the age ban of 50 years of the posts in the senior scale has been was imposed only on 1st April, 1952. It turned down by the Railway Board is good that the Railway Ministry have and also why the Railway Board has realised their fault. I congratulate not given effect to the recommenda them for that. Secondly, the weigh- tions in their memorandum that Class tage formula put forward by^he Minis I junior scale officer, unless he has ter is a retrograde step. Now why is put in 11 years’ service will not be it retrograde? Because, prior to the promoted to the senior scale. advent of independence, 8 to 8 years’ seniority was given, which was reduc Mr. Chairman: Prof. Sharma. ed to 5 years after the attainment of Shri D. C. Sharma (Hoshiarpur): independence, and now this formula Mr. Chairman ...... will further whittle down this weight- age and will adversely affect all Class Shri Debeswar Sarmah (Golaghat- II officers with less than 10 years' Jorhat): Which Sharma, Sir? service. These officers could get five Mr. Chairman: I called Prof- years before and now for every two Sharm a. years they will get one year. Shri D. C. Shanaa: There is only one Another point which I want to Sharm a here and that la D. C. Sharm a touch upon is this. The hon. Minis and I repeat it. Sir. ter has told us that the due share of Class I posts for Class II officers Shri Debeswar Sarmah: I am sorry comes to 59. I think the hon. Minis for Mr. Balkrlshna Sharma. ter is making a mistake here. I would Shri D. C. Sluuna: I am sorry for request the hon. Minister to take the every one of you, but what can I do? trouble of looking again into the figures published by the Railway Sir. it is a very very long tale that I Board in their annual reports of the have to teU within tlhe short tim e a t my disposal. I am an indefatigable years from 1946-47 to 1952-53. He will find that this number comes to 70 and traveller and I travel constantly from not 59 as he has mentioned. This re Delhi to Amritsar via Saharanpur as port is the Railway Board’s charter well as via Kamal. While I go about, I which is published every year by have no feeling of elation when I look them as an official document. I can at the railway station. Almost 7 years not understand Why the Railway have passed after we attained Inde- 1557 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways I55» [Shri D. C. Shaxma] pendence, and I find that the Punjab friends have been urging that new portion of the North^n RaUway is as lines should be opened up because negl^d as ever. there are temples in the area. Kangra and Hoshiarpur are full of templ^ historical places, ai^ if they are V^atever has been done in the and Punjab portion by the Railways was opened to the tourists, there wiU be a deal of traffic, but I must say that MS done to put matters aright. I may in diseervice not only to thonselves, but this connection bring to the notice of also to the country. the House that recently the Railways People judge us by small things. observed a “Courtesy Week”. They They do not bother about big things. asked the station masters to be cour It is these sm ^ things about whidi teous; they asked the railway guards the Railway liiinistry does not care to be courteous to the public. But that bring a bad name to the'^linistry. 1 would say, Sir, that the “courtesy I suggest that these small things should week” should be celebrated at all levels of Railway administration. Is be taken note of. ' it known, Sir, that very few of those who write letlters to these high offi cers ever receive a reply. I go about the country and I meet persons. They tell me that it is very difficult to get W m W T I ^ « reply from the Railway Ministry. I would, therefore, say, Sir, that ^ ^ before you abolish casteism anywhere, 3TOU should try to abolish it where it esdsts most. Only when inequality is ironed out and equal opport^tids g I ^re given, with due differences here -and there, will ' improvement be possible. To the Frontier MaU the RaUway ^3r?TTT'f^ ^ fAT f I ^ Authorities attach—I do not know what to call them, those wonderful ?fh: things which perhaps are Swiss-made. I do not know from where they have €ot them manufactured. I do not I ^ 1 ^fhr ^fhr % ^ ^ know by what n ^ e to call them. I t , ^ ^ ^ f I «sked some of them to give me the €iames of those particular compart ments, and they told me they call them corridor compartments. I tell you. Sir, that in a compartment meant ^ ^ ^ I ^ ^ lor four you cannot put any luggage. I ^ ^ 1 say it is a disgrace for the Railway Department to have these corridor ffrsnR ^ ^ fw I qx trains. It is a common sight to see people showering abuses on these trains. I would request the Railway ^ I ^ ^ I H Ministry, in the interest of its own ‘3 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ 5^, Cood name, to withdraw these bogies. Only last night when I was travel- ^ sft, XT the Frontier Mail the ampimt of abuse ^ ’rrt, €to that people were showering on Gov- ■crnment on account of these corridor f o ^ % trains is unima/^nable. I have also to ^ ^ cTJfrm ^ ^ 1 1% ^ share a portion of these abuses, be- -cause they know that I am a Member of the House of the People. I would «ff I ^ t % ^ therefore su^gesjt to the jRailway Ministry-that'Siey' should fbi^hWith 'Withdraw l^ese^ bogies. 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Very recently, when the hon. De puty Minister visited Tiruppur, and. Mr. Chairman: Order, order. The Coimbatore, people represented this hon. Member should know that I am matter to him. I understand that in ringing the bell for the third time. the year 1930, a survey was made When I ring the bell for the second about this line. I request the hon. time, hon. Members should resume Minister to take up the construction their seats. The hon. Member has al of this line between Palani and ready taken eight minutes. I am Tiruppur. I am sure this line will be allowing only five to six minutes, very remimeratdve because Tiruppur otherwise this long list would not be is a very impertent business centre finished. and cotton market. «Tt ifVo ‘ I understand that not even a single Harijan has been put in either in the State Railway Advisory Board or in fifTTr 3?^ f%«T ^ f f e # the Central Kmtway Advisory Board. I would request the hon. Minister to ^ t 1 have at least one Harijan Member Mr. Chairman: Vindhya Pradesh&is both in the State Advisory Board and very important, but unfortunately, the Central Advisory Board. here Members are not allowed to In the Palani Railway station, there speak province-wise. The hon. Mem is no proper waiting room for second ber has had his say. He can put in a class and first class passengers. The memorandum detailing all his points. hon. Deputy Minister himself knows this because he recently visited Shri Balakrishnan (Erode—Reserv Palani. I request the hon. Minist^ ed—Sch. Castes): Sir, I am getting this to provide a waiting room for second chance after one year and therefore, class and first class passengers in I must thank you. Through you I Palani. In the Dindigul station, on congratulate the Railway Minister and account of water scarcity, every the Deputy Railway Minister. Both of train is being delayed. I request the them are taking much interest to im hon. Minislter to see that something prove our railway system. They are is done to improve the water facili taking much interest to improve the ties in the Dindigul Junction. Of amenities of third class passengers. course, many amenities have been provided to the third class passengers. Being a representative of Coimba But, I find one great difficulty in the tore District, I want to bring one im Uhird class compartments. Mugs are portant point to the notice of the not provided in the lavatories. I think, Railway Minister. Palani is consider ten years ago mugs were provided. I ed to be the most important sacred would request the hon. Minister to see place of pilgrimage in South India that mugs are provided in the third and every day thousands of pilgrims, class compartments. mostly from Coimbatore District, come to Palani. There is only one railway With these words. I support the line from Coimbatore to Palani. If Demand. an Erode man or a Tiruppur man Shri Jethalal Joshi (Madhya Saurash- wants to go to Palani, he has to make tra): I have only a short time at my a round of about one hundred and disposal and therefore, I shall not go twenty miles, even though the dis through the formality of gi\^ing com tance between Tiruppur and Palani is pliments or congratulations to the hon. «>nly sixty miles. Therefore, a new Minister. But, I must say that we railway is very very necessary from cannot shut our eyes to the definite, Tiruppur to Palani. In this connec visible marks of achievement and pro- 1570 1569 Demands jor Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways [Shri Jethalal Joshi] .gress that the Railways have made. ster in charge to take this into consi I must also say that much of the cre deration. dit goes to the hon. Minister of Rail- -ways. The third point is there are no spare Coming to the Doints which relate coaches in reserve at important junc "to my constituency of Saurashtra, I tions such as Surendranagar. It was may say that I have received reports done previously in order to meet emer that about 300 railway employees in gency demand because it so happens -Saurashtra have received notices of that sometimes there is a pressure of discharge from service, and that they traffic and the passengers have to be are to be discharged in a very short packed. I think this difficulty als« time. They have put in four years of should be. removed as far as possible. service in the Railway department and some of them have undergone depart The fourth point is that it is the ac mental training also. I do not know cepted policy of Government to reserve the reasons which have prompted the a certain percentage of posts in the Oovernment to discharge these people. Railways for Harijans. I have today They are all from the middle dass ^ d received a complaint from the Secret they are all educated people. I think tary of the Harijan Sevak Sangh at -we shall be adding to the number of Rajkot stating that the Western Rail displaced unemployed persons by dis way is a little bit slow in carrying out charging them. Another factor is that this policy, since they have put in four years* ser •fhen, coming to the most important vice in the Government, and in the point we know that Dwaraka and Railway department, if they were to Somnath are both ancient places of seek employment in other depart pilgrimage to which Forbunder is ad ments, their age may come in their ded being the birthplace of Mahatma way and they may not be able to get Gandhi. We know thousands of pU- any appointment in the services. I grims are ‘ visiting these places. Now- therefore request the Government to a-days tourists from foreign countries have a humanitarian outlook and a are also showing keen interest human touch in dealing with this pro- are visiting these places in increasing hlem and continue them in service, numbers every year. But from Dwa and make them permanent and useful raka to Porbunder and from Porbun- limbs of the department. der to Somnath, although all these three ’ The second point is about the shor are in a direct straight line on the ex tage of wagons. I received numerous treme West coast of Saurashtra, there -complaints regarding the shortage of is no straight railway and one has to wagons. Some of the factories and pass from Dwaraka to Jamnagar, Raj business firms are hard pressed. I kot, Jatalsar and Porbunder; and thea have received a complaint especially again from Porbunder to Junagadh ^rom Parsuram Pottery at Morvi. Some and then Verawal. Therefore I sug •of these factories are passing through gest that a direct Railway line should great hardships on account of the short be constructed so as to connect all supply or delayed supply of wagons. Their finished products are accumula these three places. ted, their finances are blocked and Shri Debeswar Samali: Before I some of' them are compelled, by force come to the point I have to state that of circumstances, to notify that they when my freind Shri D. C. Sharma ^ill be closed in a short time. The claimed that there is only one Sharma result of this will be an adverse eflPect in this House, it reminded me of cer upon labour. Today also I have read tain dubious medicines which are ad in a paper from Saurashtra that in vertised in the Calcutta Beng^ee ‘Porbunder trade and industry are su- papers as Adi and Akrittim, i.e. origi ‘f^ering on account of the shortage of nal and unadulterated. I am happy •wagons. 1 therefore request the Mini to hear that we have also got a Sharma I Demands jor Grants — S MARCH 1954 Railways 157 ‘ iiere who is Adi and Akvittim— ponsibility are given a starting salary ^unadulterated and original). of only Rs. 200, in the Railways, which is another branch of the Cent Coming to the point, I would like to ral Government. It is difficult to find invite the attention of the Gk>vernment what justification there can be for to the pitiable case of the law inspec these different scales of pay. If the tors or court inspectors, whatever they hon. Minister of Railways seeks to are called. They are in the scale of Rs. abolish classes in the Railways, it i» 200-10-300. The qualifications which quite understandable, and we on this •are required of these officers are that side of the House appreciate it very they should be law graduates and much. But if law graduates with five ^should have put in at least five years years standing are given a starting •of practice in a court of law. Their salary of only Rs. 200, while other* duties are also those of an advocate: with the same qualification and the That is to say, they have to appear in more or less equal responsibility are court, arid defend or prosecute in the given a salary pay of Rs. 1000, Rs. name of the President of India. They 2000 or even Rs. 3000, and the mem iiave to conduct cases on behalf of the bers of the Railway Board Rs. 4000/- it Government of India or defend in law is surely something ununderstandable, suits. In lheir offices, they have to do and how does the hon. Minister of the job of solicitors, drawing up Railways propose to reconcile these plaints, petitions etc. and advise Gov- contradictions on the part of the •ernment on claims matters. As I Railway Administration? I would sub iinderstand it. in a civilised adminis mit that this aspect of the matter tration. the scale of pay is fixed in must be gone into. consonance with the responsibility of an Dincer. These law inspectors are In Dibrugarh and Bongaigaon, officers, and their qualifications are there are railway workshops, which, I as high as,—I may say, perhaps, with understand, are proposed to be out any fear of contradiction—that abolished. When the hon. Minister of of anybody in the administrative Railways recently went to Assam— Tanks of the Railways, because they was not there, but I am told—he gave are not only university graduates, but assurances to the people that these after having graduated from the uni workshops will not be abolished. But versity either in arts or science, they while his assurances. are very have to graduate themselves in law soothing, the people there find that also; and after having done that, they the machinery are being transfored have to put in one year’s apprentice to Gorakhpur workshop, one after the ship, and after this, they have to put in other. Do Government really proi>ose live years of practice. The nature of to transfer disabled engines or heavy the task entrusted to them is in all rolling stock from that end of India, ■conscience a very responsible and viz. Assam across the Brahurputra heavy one, because they have to advise to Gorakhpur, for repairs, and again the Railway Administration on claims, take them back to Assam? I sutoiit ■draw plaints, defend Government in that that would be very uneconomic, suits, or institute or prosecute suits. and it wiU not be in the best interests Still they have been given a salary of of the Railways. I would request the only Rs. 200 basic in the scale of Rs. hon. Minister to look into this matter. 200-10-300. This scale is very meagre and inadequate. In the Central Govern ment. advocates of five years standing RTTPTT) : ^ ^ and with the same qualifications have been recruited as public prosecutors f % W ^ ^ % TO ^ iii the Special Police Establishment, ^ t ^ ^ ■With gazetted status, in the scale of Rs. 500-30-800. But persons with th« same qualifications and the same res 1573 Demands for Grants — 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1574- [ ^ 5TT ] ^ ft ^ ^ ?rr ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ w ?fh: OT% ^ ^ '»icilq ^ ^T?T ^nTfTT **HI I ^sTMqr^ ^ ft ^rwrar ^ ^ "R ^ ^3TFm f f t ^ TT^ I ^H# ?rr^ ^ ^ ^ ^ J ^rw?TT I f t ^ 21^ t ft €wn: ^ ^3^^^ I fT3^ # ?TT^ ^ rfTT?? % oMpkl ^TT^nC ^ ^FT?^ t ^ OT ^ ^ ^ ^ w ft^ SPT^ I ^ ^3^ ipjRF^ % ^ ^3n^ f ^ ?Tflr f t #■ teR T % ^H9TT 5$m OTh?f ¥t m* f t ^ f t ^TRT^ ^ ^ ^rmr t ‘ ^ ^ ^ ^rr^ ^ ^rfwft ^ t • ^nTRf ’TTTpfr f^FTT ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ t I rM"«i^^ ^ ^ ^nrir ^ f’T ^ ’tt ^ ^ ^ft^ ^TT ^ ft ^ r*i^i trsfT fw # ?m ^ ^ftr ^ t f t V o Cbl^<{| wtif ^ ^ ^ ^ I ^ ^ ^ ?ft, ?ftT f ^ ^ % ^T qr ^ t I ft ^ ^ ^rwT m \ \ ^ ^r=RT % ^TTTR 5fr w r «TT ^ III «n f t ^ K ^ qpTFTT ^ ^rrft ^ qk % ^ vm^ t ^ft^TT vRTti^ # I ?tt| «ft ^ w ^ f t 9 lakh tons of rice during the present year. Part of this will be given to «TT ?T«Tfe; m i l qWM€ M hI'€, the deficit States for utilization by f^r^TT ^PTT, «ti DEMANDS FOR GRANTS— should be made safe. There should not RAILWAYS. be such cases as the three women passengers who were thrown out of Mr. Chairman: Will the tion. Minis the railway compartment in a run ter take a long time to reply? ning train. They were poor women travelling in a third class compart Shri Alagesan: I will take about 15 ment. Some compensation should be minutes. given to these women, who were only Mr. Chainuan: Then I call upon bangel sellers: and they were thrown Shrimati Sushama Sen. out by a burglar. I believe, the burglar has been arrested but I have Shrimati Sushama Sen (Bhagalpur not heard what happened to these South); Sir, at the fag end of the de women and whether any compensa bate I did not think I would be called tion has been paid to these passen upon to speak. So I do not want to gers. I have heard from several take up much time. But, having re women passengers that they do not gard to the criticisms which have been feel secure when travelling. This is levelled against our Railway Minister, the point which I would specially like I just want to say a few words in to draw the attention of the hon. defence of him, if I may, that it is not M inister to. quite correct to say that the Railway Minister or the railway authorities do There is another point about water not take heed of the just requirements supply and refreshments on the rail of each constituency. As far as I ways, that needs the attention of the know, from my own experience, in my Railway Board. I travelled from backward area South Bhagalpur when Patna to Bhagalpur and for miles to we were trying for the re-construction gether there was no refreshment of the Bhagalpur-Mandarhill rail available and even drinking water was link which had been dismantled not available. I was told that gharas, during the world War II for which used to be provided at all the a number of years, and when it was stations before, were also done away properly put to the railway authorities with, and there was no supply of of the urgent needs they at once took drinking water for passengers. up the case and I must say that within Another thing that I want is. that a year it has been completed. So, it in large stations there should be some is not quite right to say that things arrangement for conducting women are not done properly and in proper passengers by providing women time. I would pay my tribute to the guides. Some of these passengers have Railway Minister and I would like to absolutely no knowledge when they congratulate the Railway Board on go to a place which is not quite fami this. At the same time. I would like liar to them. If there are some women to point out one or two things for the guides, it would be of immense help. consideration of the hon. Minister, and that is about the amenities of I do not want to take up the time passengers. I feel that as yet atten of House any further, and with these tion has not been drawn to the great few words I support the grant. inconvenience which passengers suffer Shri h\^gessul: Shri Sharma of from. I do not feel that ladies’ com Hoshiarpur was less than fair to us partments are quite secure or that when he sail that it is very difficult travel in them is safe. There have to get replies from the RaUway Minis been some cases to which I have try to any rep.'tsentations that may drawn the attention of the Railway be made to therr. I was rather sur Ministry. I must say that they try to prised at that statement, because we do as much as they can. But. they have made it a point to go personal have so far failed. I would draw the ly into the representations that are attention of our Minister specially made by hon. Members of this House that the travel of women passengers as well as the other House. 1579 I^emands for (Grants-- 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 15S0 Sh ri D. C. Shanna: The hon. Minis parcel sheds. He also referred to the ter may know about the replies that fitting of vacuum brakes in M. G. he has sent, but I know about the wagons. As far as the new stock are replies that he has not sent. concerned, they are fitted with this Shri Ala^^esan: I am prepared to equipment; as far as the old stock accept that there may have been de are concerned, that is being done on Jays, but even in the matter of delays a programmed basis. we are trying to lessen the period and Sir, Shri Gupta referred to the be prompt with our replies. In fact, National Security Rules and the em such of the points as are not actually ployees that have been removed un answered on the floor of the House, der these rules. It is not for the are reserved for written replies, and first time this subject has been men each hon. Member has been geT:ting tioned on the floor of the House. Per these replies since the last two years. haps, the hon. Member mentioned it I was a bit surprised when he made for the first time. But it has been that statement, but if he teUs me mentioned times without number by that he has been offended in any res other Members. pect, I am prepared to apologise to Shri Amjad AK (Goalpara-Garo him. We have made it a point, as T Hills): I have been speaking on it said, earlier, to go into everyone of for the last three years. the points. In fact, 1 have myself seen several of these points, and some Shri Alagesan: I was referring to of them have to be. referred to the Mr. Gupta, I was not referring to various Railways, and long replies Shri Amjad AH. covering several points have been This matter was represented by sent, and we will continue to follow some hon. Members of this House and that practice. it was gone into very carefully and I think it was Shri Trivedi who also sympathetically. I may teU hon. talked about demurrage charges hav Members that out of 178 or so cases ing been increased. As far as the it was possible to re-employ 22. In Railways are concerned, we do not cases where final orders were not want to consider it as a source of issued—in six cases—those orders income. Wharfage and demurrage were cancelled and they were conti charges are levied to discourage the nued in employment. I am sorry to accumulation of traffic at stations, say that it was not possible to do resulting in the detention of wagons more than this. and congestion to goods and parcel Then, Sir, Shri Gupta referred to sheds, and thus preventing further the Pakistan optees. It may be a little traffic being handled, with consequent easy to talk on this at this distance restrictions on bookings. The rates of time. But these Rules had to be have to be high, as otherwise there is devised soon after those tragic days a tendency on the part of the mer and Government now cannot be chants to use our sheds and wagons found fault with for insisting on as temporary warehouses. In view security verification. It cannot be of the large accumulation of goods given up, Sir. But certain figures are and parcels on the Railway premises, here with me which show that they instructions were issued in 1948. to have been dealt with in a very gene introduce wharfage charges on a rous way. The total number of pro telescopic basis, so that the charges visional Pakistan optees was 21,494. became higher with the increased de Of these only 883 have not so far tention as and the state of traffic so been taken back: the rest were taken demanded. Justification for such back. 324 were discharged even at wnal measures lies in the fact that the time of Partition. So, balrring y are designed to secure quicker these all the rest have been taken c t l T speedier back. Out of these 883, 207 have ap ance of traffic from goods and plied for reinstatement *and their 1581 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1582 [Shri Alagesan] cases are being reviewed. With re talks regarding Saurashtra staff with ference to final optees they number the Home Minister of Saurashtra Gov about 64,000. About 285 have been ernment and he was just coming from re-employed. Out of these only 7fO that talk and he has told the Home have been asking for re-employment Minister of Saurashtra that he would and their cases are under considera consider the cases where the hardship tion. can be proved. The number comes only to about 74. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: How long has it been under consideration? Mr. Chairman: Now, I will put to the House cut motions relating to De Shri Alagesan: That is a very com mand No. 5. mon question in this House. The cut motions were negatived. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: And yet we are a secular State! Shri S. S. More: May I make one submission? It appears that along Shri Alagesan: Mention was made with the Budget papers, Appropria of two stations—^Nasik Road Railway tion accounts for 1951-52 do not seem Station and Palni Railway Station. to have been circulated. I want to At both these stations passenger know why this has been left out be amenities are being undertaken. In cause tomorrow is the last day ...... fact, there was a very huge pro gramme of remodelling for Nasik Mr. Chairman: Order, order. Let the Road and provision for an overbridge Demands be put to vote. While the was also there. But, as the House Demands are being put to vote, this knows, the Bombay Government has question should not be raised. May to bear its share of the cost. I ask the hon. Member to kindly re sume his seat: I shall allow him to The hon. Member, Shri Deshpande, speak after the Demands are put to has informed us that the Bombay Gov vote. ernment has decided to give high The question is: priority to this overbridge in which case we will be able to go ahead with “That a sum not exceeding Rs. this work. Mr, Sharma of Punjab—so 68.02.98.000 be granted to the as to distinguish him from Shri President to defray the charges Sharma of Assam, I am saying Shri which will come in course of pay Sharma of Punjab—^was saying that ment during the year ending the the corridor type of Swiss coaches are 31st day of March 1955, in respect very inconvenient and that people are of ‘Ordinary Working Expenses— dissatisfied with it. We have ourselves Repairs and Maintenance*.” gone into this question and decided The motion was adopted. that the corridor type should be re Mr. Chairman: I will put to the tained only for air-conditioned coa House cut motions relating to Demand ches and the rest should be without No. 6. corridor i.e., the ordinary compartment The cat motions were negatived. type. I think that will give satisfac tion to the hon. Member. Mr.^Chairman: The question is: Shri Sharma of Assam spoke about “That a sum not exce^ing Rs, Dibrugarh and Bongaigaon workshops. 44.02.01.000 be granted to the Presi They are not going to be abolished or dent to defray the charges which done away with; they will continue to will come in course of pa 3rment function. He need not entertain any during the year ending the 31st such fear. day of March 1955, in respect of ‘Ordinary Working Expenses— Something was said about Saurash- Operating Staff*.” tra staff also, I may inform the |iou^ th?it. the Minister had just now The motion was adopted 1583 Demands for Grants— 8 MARCH 1954 Railways 1584 Sh ti S. S. More: May I ask the Minis actual amounts which have been ap ter why that particular document has propriated with the remarks of the not been circulated? I must submit audit; the one for 1950-51 was circu that without that document it will be lated last year along with the Budget very difficult for us to participate in papers. This time it was not circulat the discussion on some of the Demands. ed. If I can say so, the Public Accounts Committee has frequently commented Shri L. R Shastri: I shall enquire on the delayed preparation and circu but my information is that they are lation of these documents. still under audit by the Auditor-Gene Mr. Chaimmi: Which papers is the r a l hon. Member referring to? The House then adjournedtill Two Shri S. S. More: I am referring to of the Clock on Tuesday, the 9th the Appropriation Account*— the March, 1954. 775 P.S.D,