V-8 News Southern Ontario Regional Group #149 Early Ford V-8 Club

Volume 19 –Issue 6 – 1932-54 FORD, METEOR, , , LINCOLN –FLATHEAD V8 JUNE 2015

Member cars lined up at the Safety Meet held on May 9th at Houston Ford, Stouffville, On.

Club Executive President John Narraway 905-831-5747 Directors: Glenn Broad 416-281-6780 [email protected] Vice President George McDonald 519-940-4684 Ray Cook 905-473-5104 Secretary Paul Denter 416-509-8154 Vern Kipp 416-266-1628 Treasurer Lloyd Harris 905-683-4296 Ernie Sheriff 416-787-7272 Past Pres. Mike McLean 705-437-1760 Sid Stevens 905-683-4316 Doug Torrell 905-478-8121 [email protected] Membership Paul Varty 905-853-1724 [email protected] Chairperson Ian Hackett 905-723-4386 Stan Walker 705-721-1448 s.walker [email protected] [email protected] Club Mailing Address – Southern Ontario RG #149 Editor / Publisher 11 Love Crescent. Lloyd Harris 905-683-4296 or 705-454-8784 or [email protected] Ajax, On, L1S 4T3

Coming Events 2015

June 16 – Outdoor meeting – Car Paint Rep to make a presentation.

June 20 - All Ford gathering at the Country Heritage Park. Milton

July 12 – Annual Picnic Goodwood Park, Goodwood, Ontario 10: a.m. Bring a trunk full of car parts etc. to sell. Food is being ordered as we put this issue together. See you there!

July 21 – Outdoor meeting - George McDonald to continue his presentation on towing trailers and Government Rules/Regulations.

August 18 – Meeting – held inside – speaker to be announced.

Sept. 12 – Members make a note in your busy schedule to bring your old vehicle to the Salvation Army Men’s Camp Jackson’s Point Conference Centre for the Camp members to enjoy and also enjoy a nice lunch put on by the Salvation Army. More details to follow. Let Mike McLean know if you plan on attending.

Sept.26 – Fall Tour – this is a tentative date, more details to follow as the date/tour is firmed up.

Oct – Overnight Tour is being worked on and date/details to follow from Barry Moore.

Nov. – Chris Whillans guest speaker on SVOA – Nomination night for executive positions.

Dec. – Annual General Meeting.

If you would like a Coming Event posted, send details to Lloyd

Notice Stan Walker is once again in charge of collecting any and all activities pictures that members may take during 2015 and he will make a presentation on the events of the club for all of 2015 at the January 2016 meeting. Only send pictures by email please with details to Stan @ [email protected] Fellow Members We have an ongoing need articles for the V8 News on your current vehicle(s) or on a vehicle you once owned. We would like to read about the interesting times you had with your vehicles in your younger days. Or you may have a story of someone such as a neighbour or brother or sister or parent or relative who had a Ford experience. I have been receiving very good information for the V8 News and want it to continue. If you would like to discuss a possible article call me at 905-683-4296 or email me at [email protected]. Cottage number 705-454-8784, is where I will be there the majority of the time this summer/fall. Lloyd Harris

Archive Items . If you have any pictures please send those by email as I have difficulty with my pc working with hard copy pictures. (I need a computer with more hardware including desktop publishing and that is expensive). Any questions contact Lloyd

This Newsletter is made available for members of our club and other regional members of the Early Ford V8 Club only.

NEXT MEETING DATE AND LOCATION Date: June 16, 2015 Day: Tuesday Time: 7:30 p.m. Location: 59 Lawson Road, West Hill at the Tony Stacey Building, Royal Canadian Legion Enter front door and use the password #1976. Turn left and go to elevator and take it to the floor one down. Do not use the stairs. P.2

PRESIDENT’S MESSAGE Yours in the hobby John Narraway

MEMBERSHIP MEETING Minutes: May 19th, 2015 Paul Denter, Recording Secretary Attendance: 24 Quests: 0 In the Chair –John Narraway, called the meeting to order at 7:35 pm. Treasurer: “We’re afloat.” reports the Treasurer Membership Report: On Ian’s behalf John reports we have 122 members. Clothing: Glenn Broad reported that the T-shirts will be available at the next meeting. Thank you: The Chairman thanked those responsible for organizing the tour of Boothill Restorations and the Look collection. He also thanked Russ Trevurza, Sid Stevens, Barry Moore and Ernie Sheriff for staffing the Club table at the Lindsay flea market. Inspection Tour: Fourteen cars were inspected during the morning by our faithful crew of Barry Moore and Ray Cook with the assistance of Ernie Sheriff. While all of the cars passed it was noted that a number of them were suffering from loose battery cables. Barry noted that the inspection is fairly thorough. It was also noted that the report sheet that is completed on each car inspected is retained by the Region for future reference if needed. Ray reported that the reporter from SNAP newspaper photographed the cars and a photo will be appearing the paper. The Chair thanked Ray Cook for, once again, organizing the inspection at Houston Ford. Barry Moore produced a certificate of thanks that will be sent to Houston Ford. It was noted that the visit to Longfields was an experience. Standing beside a three and a half million dollar Bugatti was thrilling.

Region Brochure: The Secretary presented the finished brochure. Copies will be available for members to distribute. Ian suggested that a copy of the brochure be included in the next mailing of the newsletter, and included in the emailed copy, for members’ reference. Members will be invited to request copies. Picnic 2015: The following are the assignments – Ray Cook – bar-b-que, Dennis Hawman – hotdogs/burgers/buns, John Narraway – commemorative cake, Bob Burns – salads, Sid Stevens – condiments/water/cutlery, Barry Moore – pop. The Executive are asked to provide prizes for the prize table. Sid Stevens will make the arrangements for the use of the Goodwood facilities. Picnic 2016: Russ Trevurza volunteered his property – fifteen minutes from the Goodwood site – for the picnic. New Business Vern Kipp mentioned there is a 1940 Ford Deluxe in original condition advertised in Old Autos. The price is $22,000. Vern suggested that if anyone is interested he/she should contact the owner as the car will probably be sold quickly. Hopefully, not to a hot-rodder. Vern also brought to our attention a new requirement in bringing a car up from the States. The purchaser will now be required to hire a US broker, at a possible cost of five hundred dollars, to facilitate the transaction. This is in addition to the seventy-two hours advance notice to the US border people. Also, the bill of sale must now bear the seller’s Social Insurance Number. Crossland General Insurance: This brokerage has made donations to our Region events. The Chair suggested that members consider investigating insuring their collector-car through this firm. 1-800-461-2591 Congratulations: to Lloyd Harris, our newsletter editor, for placing third in the V8 Club International’s newsletter competition. Newsletter: Lloyd is seeking interesting stories about you and your car/truck for the newsletter. 50/50 Draw: $33.50 Winner: Barry Moore Adjourned at: 9:00 pm Next Meeting: Scheduled for June 16th, 2015

Tech Tip Brake Light Switch upgrade: Should you have to replace your brake light switch in your early 1950’s Ford and especially if you use Silicon brake fluid, then you can use a Harley Davidson Motorcycle brake light switch #72023-51D as a replacement.

Page 3 SAFETY MEET AT HOUSTON FORD, STOUFFVILLE We had a great turnout with fabulous weather for our annual Safety Meet. The day began around 9:30 a.m. and the vehicles lined up for the “eagle eye” of the Inspection team and more important hope they will be passed by the “Inspection Team”. Our Team consisted of Barry Moore who was capably assisted by Ray Cook and Ernie Sheriff on the check list. Members who arrived with a vehicle included Russ Trevurza-’40 Ford 4 door, Doug Torrell- ’40 Ford Convertible, Stan & Bonnie Walker – ’53 Meteor Mainline, Vern Kipp ’50 Mercury Club , George McDonald- ’51 Ford Victoria, Sid Stevens- ‘51Ford 2 door, Paul Varty- ’51 Ford 2 door, Lloyd Harris- ’51 Ford convertible, Dennis Hawman- ’50 Meteor- 4 door custom, Glenn Broad- ‘51Mercury Sport , Paul Denter- ’51 Lincoln Sport Sedan and Paul Denter’s guest Kerstin Matheson, 1969 Lincoln Continental Mark III. We had great weather as I noted with clear skies, a hot sunny day and Houston Ford supplied us with cold water and hot coffee as needed which was really appreciated by the guys and gals. The public did stop in and tour the vehicles and take pictures particularly Houston Ford customers. Vern and Sid parked their cars following the inspection process and each proceeded to lift their hoods began repairs ably assisted physically by fellow members and much more verbal assistance was provided, both good and bad whether they wanted it or not as they worked on their cars. We had some great bantering amongst the participants. The Inspection Team did some very intensive reviews of some of the cars to find an issue or two, all in good fun. However on a serious note some potential issues were found, fixed or discussed with the owner which is greatly appreciated by all of us as owners. These meets are important as one looks at their car and give it an annual going over however, it takes an outside eye to spot a problem or potential one and that is why the Safety Meet is too important to our club. We all want to keep our vehicles in good order and safely on the highways. By midday all vehicles had been processed and passed and we all went next door for some good food. Following lunch, the Club members headed north to Longfields Antique and Classic Automobiles facility, located on the corner of Lake Ridge Road and Highway 48 in Pefferlaw. Longfields specialize in full restorations, coach building, pre - WW2 American and European classics and brass era automobiles. The facility is state of the art, with display area at the front, and shop preparation area, paint storage and mixing room and Garmat paint booth at the back of the building. The facility is very clean and well organized. Other services offered include engine and transmission rebuilding, precision machining, custom metal fabrication, and custom paint mixing. In the display area, we were able to view a Bugatti, a Mercedes Benz, an early Ford V8 and a Stutz Bearcat. Jim Howell, representing Longfields, gave excellent information on the history of each vehicle and the restoration required on each. There were several vehicles in the shop preparation area, one of which was a Cadillac, approx. 1931. Refreshments were provided for us and all Club members appeared to really enjoy the tour. From there we travelled over to Mike McLean's Troubleshooting and Rebuilding Shop, a shop that is familiar to quite a few Club members, as Mike has repaired things that have kept them on the road. We were able to view Mike's 1950 Ford, his Model T, and several vintage vehicles that were in for rebuilding and repair. All members enjoyed visiting Mike's shop and seeing the Pefferlaw area. I especially enjoyed the trip north and back because I was able to accompany Vern in his 1950 Mercury. I think I can speak for all Club members by saying it was a very enjoyable and interesting Club activity day. Jim Fisher

REBUILDING YOUR FLATHEAD Your Editor, on reviewing this article that appeared in Auto Restorer magazine March 2015 asked me to “give it a review” - so here goes. 1. First of all, almost anyone can rebuild a Ford flathead V/8! As you get your fingers greasy you will be amazed at this tough and bullet proof engine. But if this is your first rebuild, you would be well advised to have an experienced friend to help you avoid minor mistakes that can slow down the project. Photo #1 (all photos on page 9) 2. You will need tools - either begged borrowed or stolen. A shop manual, standard socket set, combination wrenches, various screw drivers an engine crane, a torque wrench, a Ford V/8 valve tool, a micrometer, a bore gauge and Plastigage. The Plastigage, which costs about $ 5.00, is a precision diameter piece of plastic string used to measure clearances. 3. In lifting the engine out of the engine bay, be sure everything is undone- the crane can twist, bend and/or brake things very easily. I like to remove the starter, intake manifold and the heads to lighten the load. P. 4 4. Be careful removing head bolts and exhaust bolts - they are surprisingly easy to break. If you do break a bolt or stud - it is not the end of the world. There are various techniques for removal - contact one of your fellow V/8 friends. 5. Cast iron heads should come off without a fight. Aluminum heads may require several doses of WD-40 or my favourite 50% acetone and 50% automatic transmission fluid. Photo #2; where the heads are popped off using a wide putty knife. 6. The valves are intended to come out of the block as a unit. (Photos #3, 4 & 5). Using the valve tool as show, depress the valve spring and pull the clip. Photo # 4 shows an ice pick with the end bent into a hook. At this point the valve assembly should come out as a unit but will probably be a bit tight- don’t swear - apply plenty of WD-40 and wait. There is a tool available to encourage the removal if necessary - be patient. Be sure to bag and label the valve assemblies so that they go back into the original spot. 7. At this point it is time to look at the bottom end. Mount the engine in an engine stand if you have one or just use the crane to move and turn the engine as necessary. Remove the connecting rod caps - don’t mix them up and be prepared to put them on exactly where they came off. - Use the Plastigage to determine clearances - they should be between 1 and 3 thousands of an inch. If they are within specs they can be reused. Do the same with the main bearings. If you determine that you need new bearings - “mike” the journals for size and out-of-round. (Photo 6) If out-of-round, the crank will need to be sent to a machine shop for sizing and truing. 8. Remove the pistons and check the bores for taper, out-of-round and for “ridge” at the top of the bore. Determine the bore size - this may be stamped on the pistons. Check the pistons for wear - particularly around the “lands” or piston ring grooves. Order your new parts including gaskets. Be sure the pistons go back into the same cylinder they came from. (See photo # 7)

9. If the engine is unknown and/or you are doing a complete tear down - you would be well advised to send the block out to be Magna-fluxed (i.e. to check for a crack(s))

11. If the block checks out, reassemble the engine after a thorough cleaning of everything including the threads. Use an assembly lubricant and use the torque wrench to tighten the head bolts according to the shop manual. Use a quality sealer on the head bolts such as Permute X to prevent coolant leaks. . 12. Reinstall the engine followed by the accessories. Barry Moore (An inexperienced but enthusiastic hobbyist)

Members of Long Standing The Southern Ontario Regional Group 149 would like to congratulate the current members who in 2015 have been with the club for 15 & 10 years. The 15 year members are: Arthur Bertrand Maurice Babin Dennis Hawman Richard Irvine Glen Mason John Narraway George McDonald Art Rush Joe Shields The 10 year members are: Edward Skakie Raymond Jervis Thank you for your long standing support. I would like to also thank all the members in the club for your continuing support.

Let’s keep those Flatheads running. Ian Hackett, Membership Chairperson

Ford and Canada May26, 1943, Edsel B. Ford, Chairman of the Board dies. September 15, 1943 Henry Ford is elected Chairman of the Board March 30, 1944, figures released on all cars, trucks & tractors to civilians for the 1943 calendar year totaled 3511 units. March, 1945, figures on total cars, trucks and tractors released to civilians in 1944 totaled 5980. January 14, 1946, the first post war Ford is built in Windsor. Ford announces that Mercury and Lincoln will be split off as a new dealer network separate from Ford dealers. The move doubles the number of dealerships across Canada. p.5

NOTICE: A special event is planned for July17th in Dearborn, Michigan at the Product Development facility. The purpose of this event is to show the current staff of the Product Planning and Development Office the great variety and diversity of the cars and trucks built by Lincoln and Mercury. Lincoln will be represented from 1921 and Mercury from 1939. The Company has done a grand job of locating a little over two hundred cars and trucks for this presentation. Where they’re having difficulty is in the area of the post war Mercury 114s and Monarchs as well as Meteors. P.5 The cars/trucks will be on display from early morning ‘till late afternoon at the Development building. Across the street is The Henry Ford museum where you can pass the day, or part of it, visiting the vast collection of the museum and wandering the streets of Greenfield Village. Participating in this event will require a hotel stay on Thursday evening. The Company has arranged for a special price at a hotel in the immediate area. More specific information about the event and the hotel may be secured by contacting Dave Glickman at [email protected] Let him know the make and year of your car/truck. Following this presentation, the Ford & Mercury Restorers Club is holding their meet in Chelsea Community Fairgrounds (I-94 at Exit 159). They generally host more than one thousand cars at this meet. See their website for information. Know that Glenn Broad will be taking his ’51 Merc-0-Matic equipped Mercury Sport Sedan and I’ll be taking my ’51 Lincoln Cosmopolitan Sport Sedan. The Mercury-Lincoln presentation is important. Though Mercury is no longer produced the Company is looking to give the product planning people a taste of what made both Mercury and Lincoln important in the past. What made them desirable to the original purchasers. What makes them attractive as collector-cars. It’s up to us to show the variety of Canadian Mercury’s, Monarchs and Meteors. Please give consideration to participating in this event. If you know someone with an early Canadian Mercury, Monarch or Meteor who doesn’t have email please let him know about this event. It’s up to us to ensure that the Canadian products have good representation at this event. Paul Denter, Secretary, Early Ford V8 Club - Region 149

P.S. We’re looking for contact with the owner of a blue and white ’61 Mercury Econoline station bus located in Burlington. We only have his first name. If you can help, let me know. 416-509-8154 or [email protected]

WANT AD’S

1932-34 Speedo & brake rods, door and window handles, cranks, latches & regulators Dave 905-925-4881

1957 Ford Wheels 14 inch x 5.5 inches or 6 inches George McDonald (266) 979 - 2614

1946-48 Monarch -need Lion head for hood, a pair of hood hinges for same and a horn ring. Conrad 613-332-3071

1932-34 Ford parts, speedo, gauges David 905-925-4881

1951 Ford Convertible stainless steel mouldings for the interior front door panels about 14 inches long. Book called “The V8 60” by Richard Willim Dick Patterson 519 7568354

1932 Ford Frame & 1947 Ford front shock mounts for tube shocks Ian Hackett 905 - 723 - 4386

1969 Ford box for F100 -350 Ray Brown 807-577-7149

1986-93 Ford T5 transmission Tom 416-449-3990

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Ford of Canada Master Repair Manuals set of 26 or individual copies (beige coloured) issued around 1949-54- I will accept individual copies; 1952 & 1952-53 Monarch Script gold in colour &’53 Monarch fender script gold lettering. Barry 416-698-4378

PARTS FOR SALE

1949-56 Ford 15”wheels –straight $25 each; ’53 Ford NOS grill complete $250; ’53 Ford re-plated grill very good $250; ’53 Ford wheel discs stainless $25 each; ’49&50 Monarch complete grills scarce $250 each Vern 416-266-1628

Sand Blaster, purchased in 2014 & never used. Cabinet Width 47", Door Size 36" high x 30" deep, Window size 12" x 24" safety glass, Overall height 64" $400.00 OBO E. Wilson 705-361-1674

Two Smitty’s mufflers, 22’ brand new $100 Joe 905-731-7840

Five flatheads, all magnafluxed 1932-47 $500 –$1500. each; 15 heads 21 and 24 stud $25 each. 2 trans. 33 and 35 $100 each; 1- 33 rear end 4:11 $150. ‘33 speedo cluster plus gauges $100. ; 17 distributors in total, 6 are ‘32-’36 - 1 has Ford script coil, 3 have no script (plain) coils and 2 have no coil, 11 are ‘37-‘41 - 8 have Ford script coils and 3 have no script (plain) coils; heads 21- 24 stud - magnafluxed and most include a good water pump $ 25 each; coils 32 –36, 36 –41, 42-47 most $ 15. Ford script $ 50 obro; points, plugs etc. too many to list; head gaskets 21 stud $ 15 per gasket; oil pumps various years; 1933 speedo cable new 61” $ 15; speedo turtles various ratios – $ 25 each; 1932 – 47 shocks – $15 each; 3- 17” spoked rims excellent condition $ 200 each obro; 4 www tires size 5:25/5:50 almost new, Garfield, $ 25 each obro; many more parts. Please call Bill @ 519-474-7756 and ask. Will be at Old Autos car show in Aug place # B 25

1963 F100 steering box with column signal light switch $100; 1966 F100 manual steering box $100; 1949-50 Mercury gear shift parts- hub and shifter tube $25 obo; 1946-48 Ford Super Deluxe horn ring $25; 1963 Ford F100 3 speed trans long shaft, good shape $100 obo Ray Brown 807-577-7149 Thunder Bay

1952-54 Ford rebuilt automatic transmission $400. Carl Kiernan 905-263-8772

Ring & Pinion set N.O.S. 4:10 ratio $ 75.00 George McDonald (266) 979 - 2614

Four bias ply B.F.Goodrich Silvertown 6.70 - 15 4 ply tires - good tread and sidewalls, WWW $10.00 each. 1935-36 Ford complete steering assembly, with banjo , ignition lock with key and steering gearbox - $750.00 1938 Ford complete steering assembly with banjo steering wheel, ignition lock with key and steering gearbox - $750.00 1937 Ford radio control head in very good condition complete with wiring, cables and knobs - $235.00 Jim 905-262-5234 [email protected]

Two Atlas weather guard MKI-G78-15 white wall snow tires bias four ply-$30 each; 4 firestone deluxe champion 815- 15 black wall summer tires bias four ply-$20 each 1-Ford pickup rim 15x5 1/2 bolt on with 3/4" centre hole-$25; 4- Ford hub caps stainless steel will fit 47-48 car or 48-56 pickup, new $90 for the four; 1- Ooga horn 12 volt, brand new still in box-$30 1-set of two stainless steel electric air horn sound 18" long 12volt, new-$75 1-complete dash with all gauges, lights, speedometer, ignition switch with keys for a 67-69 ford pickup. $175. Austin 705-458-0391

1955-56 Mercury-Monarch original style front brake parts, 2 drums, backing plates and wheel cylinders; master cylinders one new, never installed, one slightly used, all for $350.00. 1951 Mercury fender Skirts good solid steel with all mounting hardware, look great on 49-51 Mercs and Monarchs. No rust. $350.00. Baylift. Lifts one end of vehicle at a time. Air operated on wheels, works great. $350.00 o.b.o. Pics on request - Jack at 705-799-1389 or email [email protected]. Lindsay, ON. p.7

1940 Ford Coupe seat assembly complete $350 Ian 905-723-4386

Four piece 51 Ford rims with older tires, sand blasted & painted & a ‘51 Ford radiator that looks okay, all $175 Paul 905-717-2633

Set of NEW Lake Pipes 60 inches long, $100. Dennis 705-758-6741

All 1946-48: Monarch hub caps (4) like new $300; 10 more not quite as flawless $200 set of 4; Grille complete good condition $400; stainless chrome front fender $50 each; sedan stainless $15 and up; Sedan rear doors (2) as new $65 each; Ford/Merc/Monarch new steering worm shaft $25; Wonderbar radio $100; Ford/Merc -several speedometers & clocks $30/$40 each; Pair of Merc/Monarch 114 headlight rings $50 and parking lights $10-$20 each; Many more Monarch/Merc parts too numerous to list. Conrad 613-332-3071 or cell 613-332-8379

VEHICLES FOR SALE

2011 Ranger Sport rear wheel drive only 30,000 km in very good condition $17,000 Ray Brown, Thunder Bay 807-577-7149

1953 Ford Customline V/8 with automatic transmission, power steering, scarce short type sun-visor and coronado cover. Asking $ 8500.00 Wayne evenings. (905) 431 - 2810 Vern days (416) 266 - 1628

1939 Ford Coupe, body off restoration 12,000 miles ago, dual exhaust, original flathead, all options, black exterior, 68,000 miles, starts, runs, drives great. Looks fabulous- $43,500 Bill 519-442-1143 [email protected]

1985 K Car Convertible not winter driven good runner $6,500 obo. Dennis 705-758-6741

1973 Gran Torino –sedan- blue metallic ext., 56,000 miles, American car, 302 CID, works & looks great; $6,500. Conrad 613-332-3071 or cell 613-332-8379

1951 Mercury 2 dr. coupe. Very solid project needing finishing. GM sub frame, 396 V8, auto. Front disc brakes, rear drum all installed. Many parts restored ready to install. $8500.00. No room to complete the job. May consider trades. 1951 Mercury Model M74 4 door sedan- completely rebuilt to stock condition of a rust free original. Frame off nut and bolt restoration. Rebuilt flathead V8, 3 speed & O.D. New original style wiring. Interior broadcloth Lebaron-Bonney. Exterior Sheffield Green. All new tinted, glass. Electric 6V wipers. WWW radials, skirts, dual Smitty’s exhaust. Priced far lower than restoration cost. $28,500.00. (Go figure.) Pictures on request. 1954 Tudor hard top. Calif. Black plate car with very minimal rust. solid floors, trunk. Original 256 cu.in. V8, Mercomatic. Great restoration or rod project. $5,500.00 OBO. Jack at 705-799-1389 or Email: [email protected].

1949 Mercury Sport Sedan, 34,000 miles with original exterior and interior, recently overhauled the motor plus the overdrive, new brakes & tires. List of work done too long to record, western car, $15,000; 1951 Ford Convertible, motor overhauled, overdrive, tires excellent, new brakes & rad & gas tank, good driver $35,000. Lloyd 905-683-4296 or 705-454-8784 [email protected]

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Engines by Barry Moore.

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Safety Meet Action Shots!

Barry at his best The “Curb Side Inspection Crew”

Sid receives advice whether he wants it or not good or bad. Russ’ ’40 under heavy scrutiny

John & Barry wondering “What do we do with this one”. Hard at it, Barry and Ray did an excellent job!!! Do we pass it or ????? Well done and a big thank you from the club.