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Frost, Gregory T The Association of Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project GREGORY T. FROST Interviewed by: Charles Stuart Kennedy Initial interview date: March 10th, 2012 Copyright 2015 ADST FOREIGN SERVICE POSTS A100/Consular Training 1975 Liverpool, Vice Consul 1975-1976 Lagos, Vice Consul 1976-1978 Lyon, Vice Consul 1978-1981 AF/S, Assistant South Africa Desk Officer 1981-1983 Mid Level FSO Training 1983-1985 Maseru, Political/Economic Officer 1983-1985 Tijuana, Consul/NIV Chief 1986-1988 Conakry, Deputy Chief of Mission 1988-1991 Air War College, Student 1991-1992 Hermosillo, Principal Officer 1992-1994 Air Command and Staff College, Instructor/Advisor 1994-1995 Tegucigalpa, Consul General/Counselor of Embassy 1995-1998 Brasilia, Consul General/Country Consular Coordinator 1998-2002 Buenos Aires, Consul General/Counselor of Embassy 2002-2005 INTERVIEW 1 Q: Today is the 10th of March, 2012, interview with Gregory T. Frost. What does the T stand for? FROST: Thompson. Q: Thompson. All right, and do you go by Gregory? FROST: Gregg. Q: Uh-huh. Gregg, let’s start at the beginning. Where were you born? FROST: I was born in Washington D.C. in 1951. Both my parents are from Iowa, Decatur County, Iowa, Davis City and Leon areas. They went to business college in northern Missouri, Chillicothe Business College, now defunct. In 1939, my dad decided he was going to D.C. and seek his fortune. He came out and got a job as a GS-4 clerk- typist for the Census Bureau working on the 1940 census. And then he went back to Iowa, got my mother--they were married just after Pearl Harbor December 1941. They lived in D.C. until moving back to Iowa in 1953. Q: Well, what -- this started in the ‘40s -- FROST: Yes. Q: Do you know where the Frost came from? How they got to Iowa, the family, going back some generations? FROST: Yeah, they’re, they’re, they’re basically -- Frost is English. The other side of his family was Bracewell. There’s a place in Yorkshire, England called Bracewell Hall. His grandfather actually emigrated from Britain directly. The Frosts came to Iowa from Licking County, Ohio, in the mid 1800s. Q: What are they doing in -- what were your grandparents doing on your father’s side in Iowa? FROST: They were farmers. John W. Frost, my, my grandfather owned, I don’t know, 80 acres, 120 acres, I’m not sure what. He had a farm. And he was very prosperous apparently in the county, you know, well thought of, sort of pillar of the community so to speak. Q: What about on your mother’s side? FROST: Thompson was -- that’s -- my middle name is Thompson because that was my mother’s maiden name. Q: T-H-O-M-P-S-O-N? 2 FROST: Right, so that’s Welch I believe. Q: Yeah. FROST: And Foster I think was the other side of that, that coin on her side. And so I think it’s that sort of Welsh, they’re from Northern Missouri. My grandfather on that side was a rural mail carrier in Davis City, Iowa, a tiny little town. He enlisted in World War I, fought in the Rainbow Division under Pershing. Q: Oh. Actually MacArthur, I think. FROST: Yes, but Pershing was the one he really revered, though. Q: Yeah. FROST: Pershing was his idol, his hero really. And then he just went back to being a rural mail carrier. I think years later he went on disability. He had a blood clot or something at some point. Q: Your mother went through business college, didn’t she? FROST: Yes. Q: And is that where your mother and father met? FROST: Yes, I think it was. Q: Mm-hmm. All right, well they came to Washington and did they work? Did your mother work too? FROST: She did. She, she -- I know during the war she worked for a company -- I don’t know whether it became Borden’s or some conglomerate, but it was called Standard Brands then. I think it was a food company. And she worked -- she was basically a secretary for them. Got an E for effort, you know, because she was a spotter or something, you know, in one of those, one of those volunteer things that they used to do during the war, I guess, planes, you know those big maps or whatever, stuff like that. Q: Oh yeah, well we had -- you know, I actually -- I’d go back a ways and as a teenager I was an aircraft spotter too. FROST: Yeah. Q: And you know, I single handedly kept the enemy from attacking the United States, I’m sure. They didn’t dare (laughs). 3 FROST: They loved Washington during the ‘40s. It just must have been a fabulous time to be here and to be -- you felt like you were part of something big. Q: It really, it really was. I mean this is -- I didn’t live here, I lived in Annapolis, but you know, this was the center of the universe in a way. FROST: Yeah. Q: Well, where’d your family live? FROST: You know -- Q: I mean housing. FROST: Here you mean? Q: Yeah. FROST: Well, first of all, I moved -- my, my parents moved back to Iowa along with me when I was two and a half in 1953. So but they lived -- while they were -- we were -- I’m, I’m told that my first residence was the Francis Scott Key Hotel, because -- down by GW (George Washington University) somewhere down there, because they were building a house in Wheaton or Silver Spring, Maryland and it wasn’t ready and I was born and they were -- they lived -- Martha Custis Drive down in Shirlington for a while, kind of in an apartment townhouse-y kind of place down there I guess. And then they moved into the house in Silver Spring after I was born. Q: And then when you were about two -- FROST: Yeah, my father, my father worked for the Navy Department. I think -- I believe he was a historian, government historian type or something. I don’t know, at some point. But he, he got to the -- he was 4-F for the war and they had a special program where for - - he was, like I said he was in the Navy Department as a civilian GS. And all you had to do was survive boot camp at Parris Island, South Carolina, 100 degree, 100% -- humidity in the summer. Q: Yeah. FROST: And then they would put you in uniform, make you a Master Sergeant in the Marine Corps and you’d go back to your desk and do your old job. Q: Right. FROST: You had to take a pay cut, but that wasn’t really the point, and you got the GI Bill when the war was over. And so he went to George Washington. I don’t know how he did this, I’m not even sure he had his bachelor’s yet, but maybe he was going to school at 4 night or something before. But he, he got two master’s degrees in three years from like ‘45 to ‘48 history in, in education. And then he decided that he wanted to -- he -- I think he student taught at McKinley High School in the district. And he decided he was going to go to Iowa and teach school. So he did that. And that’s -- Q: Where’d he go? FROST: He went to a town called Ottumwa, Iowa, which is basically my, I consider my hometown, it’s really where I grew up. Q: OK, let’s talk about Ottumwa. How do you spell it, by the way? FROST: O-double T-U-M-W-A. Q: Obviously an Indian word. FROST: Yeah, I think it means Tumbling Waters. There’s various -- Q: Oh yeah. FROST: -- to what it means, Tumbling Water or something like -- Q: Yeah. FROST: But I’m not really, really sure, but. Q: What was Ottumwa like as you remember it as a kid? FROST: Well, it was really, it was really a, you know, kind of a slice of Americana. It was -- it had about I think it was 33,000 of the 1960 census. It’s now 24, 25. It lost a lot of -- it was kind of a rough town in a way for its size. They called it Little Chicago. It was -- the main industries in the town in the surrounding area, there was a big John Morrell meatpacking plant there. Q: Oh yeah, that -- FROST: It was home of local number one of the United Packing House Workers. So it kind of had this kind of class struggle kind of English coal pit kind of flavor to it, you know. And then the other -- Q: Meatpackers are not -- FROST: Exactly. Q: -- modest people. 5 FROST: And then around the area it was, it was a coal mining area, there wasn’t much going on coal mining wise by then, but it was 47 miles away is the town of Lucas, Iowa, which is the hometown of John L. Lewis, who founded the United Mineworkers of America. And that was where he was, that was where he was from. So it was that kind of rough environment. Billy Sunday, you know, who was an Evangelist around the turn of the century. Q: Oh yes. FROST: Ballplayer, I think. He supposedly said the worst thing -- “The only difference between hell and Ottumwa, Iowa is, is that Ottumwa, Iowa has a railroad out of town.” Q: (laughs) FROST: He probably -- that was probably part of his stump speech, he probably said that about every town he went to (laughs).
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